In this episode of Culture War, we discuss the fallout from the Fonny Willis hearing, the Boeing whistleblower who died of apparent suicide, and much, much more! Culture War is a production of Gimlet Media. Hosted by Rachit Vellian and Alex Blumberg.
00:00:13.000All that's really happening now with this removal is that the judge said, well, there's an odor of mendacity, but you know, we're just gonna just say stop working together.
00:00:24.000So Fannie Willis gets to keep doing whatever she wants.
00:00:32.000There were three individuals, I believe, who have been accused of perjury in that hearing.
00:00:37.000And the judge just goes, oh, whatever, I guess.
00:00:39.000Now, the funny thing is, this woman is charging many of Trump's lawyers and Trump personalities with lying to law enforcement or obstruction and things of that nature.
00:00:49.000Yet she is now being accused of the same thing, and the judge He's a coward.
00:00:53.000I can't say I'm surprised we talked a little bit about this morning on the Culture War podcast, but we'll talk about that.
00:01:13.000But there's this Boeing whistleblower, who they say in the media died of apparent suicide.
00:01:18.000The reporting now, and this is from Jalopnik, this is not a conservative source, is that he told his friend, I am not suicidal and don't believe it if they say I killed myself.
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00:04:52.000When the judge dismissed six charges against the Trump defendants, three against Trump personally, many people were saying that this is evidence that the judge will not rule against Fannie Willis.
00:05:04.000What we're hearing now in the press is that the judge wants to split the baby.
00:05:07.000That's what everyone's saying, split the baby.
00:05:10.000Uh, as anyone knows, when you split the baby, the baby dies.
00:05:28.000And he has, as the coward he is, the spineless, pathetic man that he is, flicked a match into the tinderbox.
00:05:35.000Because the appropriate move for this spineless piece of trash would have been to say, If you don't want there to be conflict, you must stop the conflict.
00:05:44.000So, which he should have said, what we're going to do is, to avoid the image of partiality and bias, we will politely ask Ms.
00:05:52.000Willis to please step aside and we will have someone else come and take up this case.
00:05:56.000This is not indicative of wrongdoing on Ms.
00:05:58.000Willis, it's indicative of the integrity of the court and our attempt to appear impartial as we bring justice about.
00:06:03.000Instead, he's terrified what the left would do if he even tried to be impartial, so he said, burn the whole thing to the ground.
00:06:24.000You know, a lot of eyes were on him in this decision, and I thought the language of like, well, either Willis and her entire office can go, or Wade can step down.
00:06:36.000Whatever you think was sort of... He was really trying to walk a weird line.
00:06:40.000It's another irony in every single legal case, the law fair against Trump, every single time they do exactly what they're accusing Trump of.
00:06:47.000So they're charging him with Rico and racketeering and perjury.
00:06:51.000I mean, the worst thing she's accused of doing is intimidating witnesses, which is incredibly serious.
00:06:55.000And yet she's allowed to stay on this case.
00:06:58.000Just like with Jack Smith, they need to get this case in before the election.
00:07:02.000This is all about election interference.
00:07:05.000So they're worried, well, if we remove her from the case and bring someone else on, perhaps this won't come about before the election.
00:07:10.000Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with justice.
00:07:13.000It is completely about interfering in the election and trying to save the American people because they know they're going to get a guilty verdict because the left is nuts and they don't care.
00:07:22.000It doesn't matter if he did it or not.
00:07:23.000It's all about impugning him and interfering in the election, which, by the way, is the very thing they say that Trump tried to do, which makes him authoritarian.
00:07:30.000I suppose the issue, the question is, does this hurt Trump or help him more that he's being targeted, indicted?
00:07:37.000Because the one thing it is doing is making sure that Trump can't campaign.
00:07:40.000While Trump is locked up in court, going to Florida trying to get dismissals and things like this, you've got Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and they're going out and they're campaigning.
00:07:47.000What, Kamala Harris, you went to like a Planned Parenthood or something?
00:07:56.000And the question is, does it actually hurt Trump, though?
00:07:58.000Because many people have made the argument that his polls go up when we see things like this.
00:08:02.000Well, his polls do go up when we see this kind of thing.
00:08:04.000And I think that a lot of people also see that the way that Trump is being targeted is, in many ways, the way that Americans are being targeted.
00:08:11.000We have the DOJ going after We have moms and parents at school board meetings, including a father whose daughter was, you know, allegedly raped in the school bathroom, and the DOJ went after him.
00:08:21.000We have the DOJ going after Catholics who prefer Latin mass, all based on just one guy's information, and they extrapolated that.
00:08:29.000You have the Biden administration still saying that white supremacy and domestic extremism are the biggest threats facing the United States while the border is collapsing.
00:08:37.000You have Haitian immigrants are about to, like, flood the country.
00:08:40.000The Biden administration has a program in place where 30,000 refugees can come into the U.S.
00:08:46.000from very specific countries, including Venezuela and Haiti, two countries that have definitely been in the news lately.
00:08:51.000We've seen a lot of crimes lately in the U.S.
00:08:54.000committed by Venezuelan asylum seekers, you know, and we're about to have that kind of stuff going on probably from...
00:09:01.000That's what they say, that's how they make it legal, asylum seekers.
00:09:04.000And this guy, Jose Ibarra, who is accused of killing Lake and Riley in Georgia, he was an asylum seeker and a story out from the New York Post quoted his wife saying that the reason they got married She had a five-year-old from a previous relationship, and she said the reason they got married was so that they could join up their asylum cases and have a better shot at gaining asylum, and now it turns out that, you know, he's a murderer.
00:09:30.000But the other thing, too, that we see in Michigan and, what is it, Wisconsin, we're also seeing The state's there, the Attorney General's there, going after electors who were on the alternate slate of electors.
00:09:43.000So Americans who are locked up in the legal system for these kind of crazy charges, the J6ers, all of that, they can see what's going on.
00:09:52.000I think what would be great for Trump is if he got a VP pick, and the VP pick could go out there, someone who's really good at campaigning, that's what we want to see, someone who can draw crowds.
00:10:01.000Well, and this is one of the things Nikki Haley used against Trump.
00:10:03.000She gave a speech saying, you know, Trump spends more time in the courtroom than on the campaign trail, right?
00:10:08.000Everyone who's against Trump points to his legal issues and says, look, he's not committed to you as voters, when really I think his true supporters are like, you guys are doing everything you can to bind his wrists to the wall and keep him from running.
00:10:19.000Right, and she was even one of the people saying we have to tie this up before the election.
00:10:23.000We have Trump's attorneys out there every day, like, pushing it back and pushing it back.
00:10:27.000And correct me if I'm wrong, you guys, but Alvin Bragg in New York, he said he elevated the, what, 34 counts of falsifying business records?
00:10:50.000And remember, that charge that Bragg's charging with has to do with campaign finance non-disclosures, a crime that we know Hillary Clinton committed.
00:10:57.000Well, Hillary Clinton paid $8,000 in a fine for that. $8,000!
00:12:42.000And just because this guy, what, saluted an American flag or something at some point in his life, they're like, he must be Republican.
00:12:47.000They're so jaded and they're so entitled that the left wing and the Democrat perception of things is we not only expect special prosecutors and the FBI to let us off the hook, they're not even allowed to say a bad word about us while we do it.
00:13:00.000That's the double system that we have, where they literally are let off the hook for obvious crimes.
00:13:05.000But if someone like Comey says, but it was bad or her says, yeah, the president's losing his marbles.
00:13:10.000They say that's not good enough that he let him off the hook. It's it's the double. This
00:13:14.000country cannot survive this sort of double standard. This is the real election interference.
00:13:18.000And unless we stand up and do something about it, we're going to be in a really bad place.
00:13:22.000I mean, I think they hide Scott Pressler. That's.
00:13:26.000Did they hire Scott Pressler or they're just like working with Scott Pressler?
00:14:23.000And so it's up to average people, regular people that are empowered by social media and other places, to show the American people how bad this double standard is and how corrupt it is and how it is actual election interference.
00:14:35.000And I see hope when you see people like Scott Pressler being put forward, when you see that the mainstream media is losing their legitimacy, when you see that Trump's poll numbers are going up, In large part because people are like, even if I don't care for the man individually, we can't stand for this two tier system.
00:15:04.000And so They're gonna march in lockstep no matter what happens.
00:15:08.000There's not gonna be a point where someone says, you know what, this two-tiered system is bad, we shouldn't allow it.
00:15:11.000No, no, now if Trump ends up winning, and then Trump says, I think we should enforce the law, they're gonna claim it's a two-tiered system and he's targeting us, help, help.
00:15:21.000I mean, we talked about it a little this morning.
00:16:27.000We might disagree, but we wouldn't want to lock you up.
00:16:31.00028% of people in a YouGov poll in, I think, 2022, 28% of Democrats polled said they wanted to take your children away if you refuse the vaccine.
00:16:40.000How do you live side by side with people that want to do the most heinous thing imaginable?
00:17:28.000and leticia james now she's state but then you've got brag where is a single bumpkinville prosecutor to be like well gee i guess i'll charge joe biden with racketeering i don't understand and then he files the charges and they go sir you you represent a county of like three three thousand people well that's the law That's not even happening?
00:17:59.000Yeah, I mean, Ken Paxson, you're right, is suing the Biden administration for a lot of stuff, but it's very Texas and border localized, which is super important.
00:18:53.000They're going after Trump on the same documents charges that Hillary, Biden, and Obama, Clinton, everyone should have faced.
00:19:01.000None of them should have been charged for this.
00:19:02.000And Medicaid says, look, nobody should be charged for these things.
00:19:04.000But they're going after him because they're trying to find anything they can.
00:19:07.000Why are there no Republicans simply saying, if you accepted any amount of money in my state, and you lied, and he did, and come on, Then, I'm sorry, you're facing criminal charges for fraud.
00:19:30.000That's material support for terrorism.
00:19:32.000That is a clear example of, quote, engaging in an insurrection, which is what the Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says that they tried to keep.
00:19:40.000We know for a fact that in all across this country, every single state had some kind of right or another.
00:19:47.000So if you're in a conservative state or Republican state, you need to contact the local... Let me put it this way.
00:19:53.000If you know that far leftists, BLM, which is an organization, They rioted in your town, or somewhere in your state, you should be calling your D.N.
00:20:04.000asking why they are not going after Kamala Harris for providing material support to terrorists.
00:20:09.000Kamala Harris directly posted, bail fund, let's raise money for these people.
00:20:14.000So she's raising money for a group that engaged in acts of domestic terrorism, and now you may be saying, come on, it's BLM riots, you're calling it domestic terrorism?
00:20:48.000She fired a bunch of people, just like her father-in-law would have, which I think is, you know, really, I think that is a little bit fire bringing in Scott Pressler, who has a proven track record of voter registration and getting votes out for the GOP.
00:21:01.000So, I think that we might really start to see a different tack from the RNC, and it's really quite about time.
00:21:08.000This is an RNC now with Laura Trump in charge that is interested in winning, and I think is going to make that happen.
00:21:13.000Let's jump to something that affects everyday Americans.
00:21:16.000Politics can be a bit esoteric, but we have this story.
00:21:19.000Boeing United Airlines flight lands in Oregon after losing a panel midair.
00:21:27.000of safety incidents for the embattled plane company.
00:21:29.000Here we go, here's another one from Business Insider.
00:21:31.000The sudden drop of a Boeing 787 that injured 50 people may have been caused by a flight attendant accidentally hitting a switch in the cockpit, report says.
00:21:40.000I just want to ask, how does a flight attendant accidentally hit a switch in the cockpit?
00:21:44.000Isn't she not supposed to be in the cockpit?
00:22:25.000But what if it's, like, the Alaska Airlines guy who was, like, riding whatever, the jump seat, and then he all of a sudden was like, I can't do this, ripped his headphones off, and, like, pulled... Do you remember this story from a little while ago?
00:22:34.000Yeah, the Alaska Airlines guy... They got out of drugs?
00:22:36.000Uh, he said he hadn't taken drugs in several hours.
00:22:39.000He was just having a hard time and hadn't been sleeping.
00:22:42.000He was the one charged with, um, attempted murder.
00:23:06.000I did that recently, because it's like when you have to go to the airport, and then you're at the airport, and then you have to go away from the airport.
00:23:11.000Yeah, you've got to factor in that time.
00:23:12.000You've got to factor in the sitting around time.
00:23:14.000Depending on the flight length, you could do a six-hour road trip in the same amount of time it would take you to fly somewhere.
00:23:22.000So my questions on this are, one, does anyone here know, because anecdotally this does seem like it's happening a lot more, but does anyone know statistically how much more frequently this is happening, and two, I don't think there's yet to be a death, right?
00:23:36.000Like, there was that one where the exit door flew off, but no one flew out with the door.
00:23:39.000Yeah, but that was only because the guy was wearing his seatbelt.
00:23:54.000And then, I mean, it comes, like, what do we think of the causes?
00:23:56.000I mean, I'm a libertarian, so I think the causes are probably, like, The FAA is outliving its usefulness, and probably things are becoming too calcified.
00:24:09.000The Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, who definitely knows what's going on.
00:24:13.000Can you imagine you're on this flight, right, and Buttigieg is on there, and you're like, oh my goodness, the stewardess hit that switch and we're all falling, and he'd be like, um, flight attendant, please.
00:24:21.000We don't use the term stewardess anymore.
00:24:23.000I mean, at what point As in general, we don't know specifically what caused each of these, but when we live in a society that no longer rewards competence, and instead we reward sort of victimhood culture, these things are inevitable over time.
00:25:18.000Why don't you take a couple days and make sure your planes are safe before lecturing us about what pronouns we need to use?
00:25:23.000So I agree that DEI is probably playing a role in this, but also, like, let's think back to when we, in the 90s, when we were all kids and we flew on planes and how the experience was almost identical, except you didn't have a TV in the back of the headset.
00:25:34.000To me, I look at it- You don't anymore.
00:25:37.000Well, yeah, sometimes you don't even have it.
00:26:15.000All the airlines started getting bought out by each other, and now there's, like, three.
00:26:19.000Right, but the airlines are getting multi-billion dollar bailouts for, you know, when they're not even producing a product, and the barrier to entry is near impossible.
00:27:16.000Wages used to be way higher for airline workers, and then the government, because it was regulated, the airlines had to pay a certain amount.
00:27:23.000And then, I don't know exactly what happened, but I used to work at O'Hare as an acting crew chief.
00:27:29.000So a little bit above a ramp agent, but still basically, you know, periodically in charge of the people who are loading planes, sometimes loading planes myself.
00:27:36.000Crew chiefs are the ones who are in charge of the room and they tell people to load planes.
00:27:39.000If you're acting, it's like halfway there.
00:27:44.000But they were saying that before the deregulation, which I don't know exactly when that happened, people were getting like the equivalent of, you know, $50,000, $60,000 a year.
00:27:52.000And then once the government said, okay, you're now allowed to pay these people whatever you want, we're going to step out of it.
00:28:04.000It used to be that they were going to hire someone to load a plane and they were going to pay them $60,000-$70,000 a year, so you were getting high quality candidates that had to pass scrutiny.
00:28:13.000The government then said, Okay, we've been lobbied.
00:28:29.000I mean, I don't know airline regulation to even make the argument.
00:28:32.000I just know from going to the TSA and dealing with planes where you have to put the tray up before you land and take off, which seems ridiculous.
00:28:40.000That's because of emergency exits and stuff.
00:28:42.000Right, I know, but the fact that, like, the fact that there's also, I mean, the fact that seats are still, like, you know, straight up, there's not, there's not an airline with, like, beds or couches and things like, there's, there's no diversity in the market.
00:29:03.000That it's one of the most heavily regulated industries in the world.
00:29:05.000But you're wrong about what's going on with the inside of planes and why planes are the way they are.
00:29:10.000The airline industry has actually tried and attempted to change the way boarding works, the way seating works, and passengers reject it, and they lose money, so they stop.
00:29:21.000You're telling me you wouldn't fly- like if you could do a bed in coach, I don't care how- How do you do a bed in coach?
00:29:27.000Will you crowd them and you stack them together more closely and you let- They're doing interlaced ones, where the seats are above you- Like that herringbone style?
00:29:37.000I don't know how you describe it, but instead of having seats just like this, they're like that.
00:29:41.000So now you spread out the seats a little bit and put one right in the middle and it's solid.
00:29:47.000So you're sitting and you can actually, everyone gets way more leg room.
00:29:50.000So if you're in the elevated seat, you have more room and I don't know.
00:29:56.000They are certainly trying those innovations.
00:29:58.000But having worked for American Airlines, I worked for their regional, American Eagle, for those that are familiar, the smaller jets, CRJs and Embraers.
00:30:21.000People would ask us, what happens with our bags?
00:30:23.000And I'm like, well, like, dude, people need to understand.
00:30:26.000You'll get a viral video where it's like a guy outside throwing the bag.
00:30:30.000He'll pick it up and just chuck it in.
00:30:32.000And they're going, whoa, what's he doing with my bag?
00:30:34.000It's like, he's giving you $15 service.
00:30:37.000You don't want to pay money for your bags, so that guy gets paid $9 an hour, and when they fire him, they can only get another guy who gets paid $9 an hour, and they don't care about your bag.
00:30:46.000And for $9 an hour, they will kick your bag, if you want to pay more.
00:30:50.000They might not just not care about your bag, they might hate your bag.
00:31:30.000And there were guys in the bag room who would sit there, and they'd see a big bag that weighs 50 pounds, and so what they would do is, as it's coming on the conveyor belt, they put one arm on it, and then they spin to generate centripetal force, and then, boom, throw it, ka-doom, into the cart, and then sit back down, because they were getting paid $9.75 an hour.
00:31:50.000When we'd ask, like, hey, how come they don't pay more, it's like, So, in order to actually be profitable, coach seats aren't actually that profitable.
00:31:59.000Business and premium economy are where they make most of their money.
00:32:01.000First class is, I think, actually relatively low profitability, and coach is moderate, but business and premium are where the bulk of profit is generated.
00:32:12.000So there's a reason why we charge money for For having your bags checked.
00:32:21.000And then people make the argument, well, they're making all this profit, they're making billions in profit.
00:32:24.000The point is, certainly you can argue they can shave off their profits for their shareholders, but then there's fiduciary responsibility of the company to make sure they get a return to their shareholders where they can, which means they're always looking at ways to cut costs.
00:32:38.000One of the easiest examples of the inefficiency of airlines is it would actually be more efficient if an airline just said, boarding has now begun, have fun, and let everyone just randomly storm in.
00:32:49.000That's more efficient than the way all the airlines do it now.
00:32:52.000Southwest is a different system where it's like you line up from like a row number or something and you choose whatever seat you get to.
00:32:58.000You have like a criteria or something.
00:33:01.000The way we board now is based on customer request.
00:33:05.000People don't want to board without their family and friends.
00:33:09.000So if we set up a more efficient system where it was like all window seats board, then all middle seats board, then all aisle seats board, that would be the fastest way to do it.
00:33:16.000But that would mean that husbands and wives would be split up.
00:33:19.000Parents and their kids would be split up, and they all reject it outright.
00:33:22.000They're unwilling to accept these changes, and that's why everything is the way it is, because this is the highest return for the business over the past 70 years or whatever.
00:33:57.000The reason why budget airlines are becoming so prominent and getting so much attention now is because people are like, dude, I will stand up if you give me a flight for 50 bucks.
00:34:20.000On Amtrak too, like I used to take the train from New York City to Philadelphia a lot.
00:34:25.000And I would stand the whole time if there were no seats, like whatever.
00:34:28.000And even more if you take the, if you take New Jersey Transit to the, Uh, SEPTA in Philly, like you could do like that, and if that's crowded, just stand, but you're paying 15 bucks to get that whole way.
00:34:38.000But let me just ask you, Liam, uh, just, why don't you fly first class?
00:34:42.000Well, I mean, because first class is absurdly expensive.
00:34:44.000I mean, I don't think that the sorts of things I'm talking about, and again, like a lot of this is just kind of speculation, I don't think the sorts of things I'm talking about would be as expensive as first class.
00:34:54.000I think you could pack, layer people into an airplane with beds where couples lay together, very, I'm talking very tight, like it'd be a little claustrophobic, but at least you could lay down so you're not sitting up straight for the whole flight.
00:35:05.000I think you could do that for much cheaper than first class.
00:35:07.000It might be a little more expensive than coaches now, particularly on like Allegiant and the budget airlines, which I love for short term flights.
00:35:13.000I'm talking more about business class, premium economy.
00:35:17.000Yeah, I mean, they are absurdly expensive, I think, for how much... I guess the idea you're presenting is they should create another class... No, there should be just competition in the market, and you're saying there's no competition because it hasn't... people don't want it.
00:35:32.000My assumption is, because I just look at how regulated the industry is, where everyone gives you the same spiel before you sit down.
00:35:37.000There's these, you know, industry-wide regulations of, like, you know, the trade tables and things like that.
00:35:44.000I see, and it makes sense because they're airplanes.
00:35:46.000Right, but the tray tables thing I don't think is a good example.
00:36:39.000I mean, you're taking human beings into the sky in a tin can.
00:36:43.000To start an airline is already such a high capital that you make, you know, it's such a barrier to entry.
00:36:49.000I don't think it should be that regulated, actually.
00:36:50.000I think, like, You know, I think the regulation is part of the reason we have planes falling apart now because government, you know, bureaucracies.
00:36:58.000Yeah, but I think it's bureaucracy and DEI.
00:37:11.000If there were a thousand customers to a business, your say is massive.
00:37:16.000As a single customer, they're gonna be like, we can't afford to lose even one.
00:37:20.000But with hundreds of millions flying, like every month, all they're gonna do is they're gonna say, hey look, 60% of people will literally sit on a mop bucket if it saves them money.
00:37:31.000We are not going to spend $50 million retrofitting our planes with bed seats.
00:37:36.000It's inelastic demand because people have to travel.
00:37:41.000The way I solve this problem is I'm just like a redneck that never leaves rural Pennsylvania and then no problem, you know?
00:37:47.000Wait, one counterpoint I just thought of, because you mentioned Virgin America.
00:37:49.000If everyone remembers when Virgin America first came to market, it actually was a way better experience than the rest of them.
00:37:55.000And then I think it's been since been bought out by another company.
00:37:57.000Now it's, you know... My favorite thing about Virgin was when I first flew on Virgin Airlines, the safety video said, make sure you're wearing your seatbelt when the light comes on.
00:38:08.000If you don't know how to put on a seatbelt, something is seriously wrong with you.
00:39:08.000And now I think there's been like, well, like five Boeing stories in the past week.
00:39:12.000Not to mention, before this, you had the corporate press insulting conservative commentators for warning that DEI and airlines was going to result in plane crashes.
00:39:20.000They're like, oh, these people are crazy.
00:39:22.000Now you've got a Boeing whistleblower.
00:39:42.000Well, wasn't he in the middle of giving, like, he went to court, gave testimony, went to his hotel room, yeah, and then was like, nope, can't go any further.
00:39:54.000And especially since, and he's been on this whistleblower kick since he left Boeing in 2017, and in 2018, 2019.
00:40:02.000We had huge plane crashes in like Indonesia and Egypt, you know, it was like hundreds and hundreds of people died.
00:40:09.000They said that it was because of faulty, like I forget what it was, but there was like faulty parts and there was like stuff left on board that shouldn't have been there.
00:40:18.000And so if he's been on this kick that whole time, like why now in the middle of a deposition would he?
00:41:15.000But I want to make sure people understand context because when the police then put it, like the coroner put in the report, you know, GSW head 2X or something.
00:42:01.000I say this about conspiracy theories in general, whether it be suicides, what have.
00:42:06.000It's not our fault that we're distrusting.
00:42:07.000With the legal system as bad as it is, where, you know, remember we talked this morning about the whistleblower who can't be named, you know, that went after Trump, right?
00:42:16.000Remember when whistleblowers were, like, sacrosanct and they were heroes?
00:42:19.000And then you had whistleblowers that came out and said, hey, the Biden administration and the FBI under Chris Wray's targeting us because they wanted us to go after- we spoke up about going after parents at school board meetings.
00:42:35.000So when you have these sort of lies that are constantly told to you in this two-tiered system, you can't help but be skeptical.
00:42:41.000For all we know, this gentleman unfortunately did take his own life.
00:42:44.000I don't know the specifics of it, but you can't help but be skeptical when powerful corporations that are like cutting corners, all of a sudden when someone's going to try to hold them to account, oh, it just so happened at the zero hour, you know, that he took his own life.
00:42:57.000I don't believe for a second that he killed himself.
00:42:59.000And the funny thing is, journalists are just the stupidest people in the world.
00:43:04.000Because they're always like, you're about to be a conspiracy theorist.
00:43:07.000And I'm like, if the argument is a guy was blowing the whistle on Boeing and in the middle of blowing the whistle and providing testimony, and then was found dead after warning a family friend that he would never kill himself.
00:43:34.000No, and your point about journalists is great, because, like, conspiracy theorists, if you think about whether they're true or not, are almost always the most interesting stories or potential stories.
00:43:44.000So if you are a journalist and you're cocking around, like, poo-pooing, and using the term conspiracy theory as a slander, As a journalist, your job is to basically investigate every conspiracy theory that comes to your desk and determine whether it's true or not.
00:43:56.000You don't just, like, throw it out, you know, throw it out in the trash bin because you're afraid of, you know, being called crazy.
00:44:01.000That's your job as a journalist is to find out, and those are always the most interesting ones.
00:44:05.000I remember I was in New York hanging at a bar with a bunch of journalists, and it was, uh, it was like, what, six months after Osama bin Laden had been killed and then dumped from the helicopter or whatever.
00:44:16.000And I'm hanging out with these journalists, and they were talking about it, and then I said something like, that whole thing just played out like some stupid action movie, and this one journalist just snapped!
00:44:27.000He instantly got super angry, and he went from light conversation to, I'M SO SICK OF YOU CONSPIRACY THEORIES WITH YOUR INSANE ARGUMENTS ABOUT, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET HIM, and I was like, bro, what?
00:44:57.000But these people are so anti-do-not-question-the-official-story-of-the-government-they-get-emotionally-charged.
00:45:05.000Yeah, it is like that, although it didn't used to be that way.
00:45:08.000I think a lot of that came into being with Obama because everyone had, like, such a huge heart on for him that they just were like, oh, the government must be trustworthy now because our guy is in there.
00:45:42.000And for sure that's one, I mean there's a lot of left-wing people in the media and then they thought Obama was their savior so they didn't want to question him as roughly.
00:45:49.000Another from just like being in that world and like walking around Capitol Hill and for a brief period, Epoch Times, which is like kind of sort of becoming mainstream conservative media.
00:45:58.000You realize that one of the most important things to these DC outlets is, like, getting, you know, quote-unquote, access, where it's like, you want to get the interview with Mitt Romney.
00:46:07.000Yeah, you want them to hit you with an exclusive, for sure.
00:46:10.000And Mitt Romney is not going to give you an exclusive if you've just done a story about Epstein and his client list.
00:46:16.000So basically, they kind of, like, organically, you know, or they just kind of, over time, morph themselves into these, like, mouthpieces of the state so that they can It's actually much, much simpler than that.
00:46:28.000celebrities and things like that. Some of them might actually be like, you know, Operation
00:46:32.000Mockingbird, which was a real thing. There were congressional hearings on it. So some of it
00:46:35.000actually might be the state using the outlet. But a lot of it is this organic incentive for the
00:46:40.000outlet to just cave on its principles so it can get a congressman or a senator to come on the
00:46:45.000interview. It's actually much, much simpler than that. The people who invest in and run these big
00:46:50.000companies, they don't go to journalists and say, I want you to report that Joe Biden is of sound
00:47:37.000I think this is more post-hoc, though.
00:47:39.000This is kind of like what has now happened.
00:47:40.000I was trying to get at the root of it.
00:47:42.000And I will say at Epic Times, where it's actually kind of the opposite, if they want to hear your opinion on Biden being negative.
00:47:48.000But what was like, said in many internal conversations at the Epoch Times is specifically like, certain stories would be shut down because it's like, we don't want to jeopardize this interview that we just got with such-and-such senator, or if you're in the press briefing, we don't want to ask this question that's too aggressive because we want to keep getting called on and we want to keep our relationship with the DOD and things like that.
00:48:12.000The irony is- And it gets the- my point is it also gets the right-wing outlets.
00:48:16.000The irony of all this is, like, when they say the media holds truth to power, the reality is they bury the truth for the powerful.
00:48:24.000That's what our journalism has become.
00:48:26.000And when we see sort of people that are trying to be outside the scope of that, they are attacked.
00:48:30.000You go to the White House press correspondents, you know, when they're always patting each other on the back saying, we're the fourth estate, we're so important.
00:50:10.000I think we might need a bigger, maybe, but the general idea is, Correlation between political party and whether or not someone has an inner monologue.
00:51:41.000But I do think my immediate assumption would be Certainly someone could be very visual.
00:51:48.000They could be very... There's also feelings.
00:51:52.000There's like four or five principle thought processes that have been defined.
00:51:58.000But the inner monologue is quite literally the process of logic.
00:52:02.000And so lacking that, you may be able to paint the most beautiful picture, build the best engine, which is intrinsically understanding where parts go, solve math problems, maybe.
00:52:11.000But if you can't in your mind say, here are the words, 2 plus 2 equals 4, how do you build those logical pathways?
00:52:20.000It doesn't mean it's not possible, I just think that the depth of someone without inner monologue will be substantially more shallow than someone with.
00:52:27.000That is to say, my bias would be, if you have inner monologue, it's probably X times Y, the ability to calculate logic to a certain degree, and if you do not have it, potentially a surface layer thinker.
00:52:41.000So what that means is, why is it that Democrats tend to not understand, hey, this guy was blowing the whistle and then died.
00:52:54.000If you're in your mind connecting dots, you can see here's the probability.
00:52:59.000That this potentially was not a suicide and it is false, but if you do not have the ability to think in your mind words and have these thought patterns, you would just hear, man committed suicide, you'd go, but he committed suicide.
00:53:10.000There's another test that I think Lauren Chen tweeted out and the question is, if you did not eat breakfast yesterday how would you feel?
00:53:18.000And I don't think it's a good, I understand the point of the question, but I don't think it's, I don't think that is a good question because I don't eat breakfast.
00:53:24.000So my response would be like the same.
00:54:00.000Perhaps I, you know, not to sound like a dick, but maybe the culture war really is a divide between surface level low IQ individuals and multidimensional thought processes and higher intellectual, higher IQ individuals.
00:54:16.000I think that's true on a lot of those.
00:54:18.000I think that's one of the reasons that you see people have really intense emotional reactions to things because they actually don't understand them, so they feel threatened.
00:54:25.000It's not actually a lot, like, if you understand it logically, you don't feel like it's threatening, but if you can't understand it, you're fearful.
00:54:31.000I don't know about this, but what I do know is that it seems, particularly with Democrats, these appeals to authority that they rely on, like the entire bifurcation of us that said during lockdowns of COVID, like, what are you doing?
00:54:44.000This is predictably going to harm children, predictably going to harm the economy.
00:54:47.000And the other side said, what do you mean you could do your own research?
00:54:51.000Like that is one of the starkest differences, I think, between the population, those that will accept anything that the establishment tells them.
00:54:59.000And the irony is, I feel like it was before the biggest vocal most vocal people against like the Iraq war were a lot of left-wingers and I was a Ron Paul guy so I was against the Iraq war as well but somehow one of the most impressive amounts of propaganda I've ever seen
00:55:15.000Is that our intelligence agencies, in eight years, were able, through Obama being Mr. War, and then Trump being someone who criticized the intel agencies, we have taken the people that were the most vocal, anti-military-industrial-complex, anti-intel people, and made them their biggest supporters.
00:55:31.000The people I used to march with against the Iraq war say to me, how have you changed?
00:55:44.000That's generally true, and obviously, I mean, there's that old saying, when you're young and you have no brain, you're a Democrat, and when you grow up, you have no heart, and you're a Republican, meaning, like, obviously, more logical thinking lends something along those lines.
00:55:58.000If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you're not conservative when you're old, you have no head.
00:56:03.000And so, and it's true, I mean, like, typically, you know, Republican, as in, like, conservative, you know, actual conservative policies, I think, do have more logic behind their understanding.
00:56:14.000In your terms of, like, appeal to authority, I think it's generally true, but I think there are always examples that go the other way.
00:56:21.000Like, for example, Israel, the biggest anti, the biggest critics of this war are kind of coming from the left.
00:56:28.000I mean, there are some on the right and the libertarian right, But much of the right, even the MAGA right, is vehemently pro-Israel.
00:57:03.000Sick of israel and and actually big critics of israel I mean, a lot of MAGA conservatives are saying, like, let's not give money to Israel.
00:57:11.000But I would say most... Okay, here's some examples.
00:57:13.000Matt Schlapp, basically every Republican in Congress, even the ones who I like, like Thomas Massie and Rand Paul, really aren't coming out and saying, like, criticizing the way Israel's prosecuting this war in Gaza.
00:57:25.000Thomas Massie put up a little meme about Zionism, which was the best relative to the rest of Republican Congress.
00:57:50.000No, I guess I agree with that, but there is a hard section.
00:57:54.000I mean, there were like, you know, there were Knesset members hanging out at CPAC.
00:57:57.000Well, I think, like, the traditional Republicans have always been very pro-Israel in our diehard, like, I think Lauren Boebert said, like, something like, we're, it is the holy land and we stand with Israel.
00:58:07.000Yeah, I was going to say, there are some evangelicals who feel a religious or cultural obligation to.
00:58:11.000But the, like, the run-of-the-mill, working-class MAGA people who are just like, I've not been heard, and Trump's speaking for me, are like, I don't want to spend money on this.
00:58:28.000If it was my family that was attacked on October 7th, I'll guarantee I would say we're not going far enough.
00:58:35.000My plan is quite simple, like, I could see Israel's done terrible things, I could see that Hamas has done even worse things, but I'm sorry, we have lost the credibility in the people that prosecute these wars in this country and in our intelligence agencies.
00:58:50.000Okay, well, Hamas has not killed more than, like, Israel has just killed magnitudes more people than Hamas.
00:58:56.000Well, that might be true, but... I don't see how you could say Hamas has done worse things, but... Well, according to Gaza's health ministry.
00:59:03.000According to Gaza's health ministry, which has a track record, like, going back the last three wars that they've had of having the exact same numbers, basically, as Israel and the UN.
00:59:11.000I care as much about the morality of Israel-Palestine as I do about Burma and China.
00:59:17.000And that is the position of most MAGA Republicans.
00:59:19.000The one argument I would make, and I was making this to some congressional staffers last night, of the MAGA wing, who their position is, we don't give any money, but we don't want to be involved, they don't really care about the morality of the war.
00:59:30.000My argument to you, Tim, then, would be, You might not care about the war, but Israel's not stopping, and pretty soon Iran or Lebanon might get involved, and when they do, you know for sure that the Pentagon is going to back up Israel, and then you will have just been roped into a war on Israel's behalf that Israel knows we're going to get roped into, and that's why they're so brave.
00:59:51.000I care as much about the morality of Israel-Palestine as I do about China-Taiwan.
00:59:56.000And you know that when China makes their move finally to launch an incursion into Taiwan, the Pentagon's going to rope you in.
01:00:04.000That's why I'm just anti-war generally.
01:00:05.000Yeah, I know, but and in that case, wouldn't you want to arrest the slide and say, like, you know, Jesus, we have to stop funding Israel right now, but say it more like with more vigor and like, you know, No.
01:00:16.000We are on the border of... Because my attitude is, how about we stop funding all of it?
01:00:30.000If the Libertarians would all vote for Donald Trump, if he came out and said every single one of our troops overseas will be brought here to guard our border, you'd lose a bunch of the open border Libertarians, but everybody would be like, Trump, Yeah, for sure.
01:00:43.000But Israel is intentionally dragging us into this war.
01:00:47.000Nah, I think you've got Israel Derangement Syndrome.
01:00:50.000I call it Israel-Palestine Derangement Syndrome, to be fair.
01:00:57.000Do you know the story of Israel wiretapping the White House and blackmailing Bill Clinton?
01:02:47.000NATO has substantially more influence over our military policy.
01:02:51.000If you look at Libya, for instance, airstrikes, the United States' interests in Libya turned into a slaver state, destabilized the country.
01:03:00.000I mean, if you look at the entirety of North Africa... Well, NATO... we just use NATO as our justification to go to war.
01:03:05.000I mean, it's not... we're pulling the strings of NATO.
01:03:08.000My point is, I would argue, Israel is pulling a lot of our strings in terms of foreign policy.
01:03:25.000See, NATO's not getting us involved in things, we're getting NATO involved in things, and Israel's not.
01:03:30.000I agree on NATO, I don't agree on Israel.
01:03:33.000There are some Americans... Your position makes no sense.
01:03:35.000Okay, there are some, but I mean, like, the founding neocons, who, you know, the PNAC group, those guys were Americans, but they basically did all that for Israel.
01:03:44.000I think Australia's roping us into this war with China.
01:03:47.000Why are we sending ships and personnel to Australia in 2002, Tim?
01:04:34.000Do you know what's going on with China and Taiwan and how much money we spend and how many personnel we have in Taiwan?
01:04:39.000I think the Taiwanese are lobbying us so that they can get us involved in their regional conflict.
01:04:44.000I agree, and there is some of that, but the reality, like you must know this, I mean the reality in terms of dollar value, the reality in terms of espionage leverage like Jeffrey Epstein, who I would imagine you would agree has a lot of links to Mossad.
01:06:27.000Okay, but Ukraine is probably more dangerous because of the nuclear factor.
01:06:31.000But the difference is, if you go to the Maidan revolution, that was our coup.
01:06:35.000Ukraine is our... There might be some relations back and forth, there's some blackmail back and forth, but that was our coup that started this civil war that now we're dealing with the consequences of.
01:06:45.000I am as concerned with Israel-Palestine as I am with Ukraine-Russia and China-Taiwan.
01:06:50.000Even though it could get us dragged into a war with Iran, which might happen War with Russia is worse than war with Iran, and Ukraine is doing that.
01:06:57.000They're both, yeah, they're both terrible.
01:07:12.000Israel is a situation where they have a lot of influence over our country, whether it be through blackmail or through fanatical, you know, Zionists who are Americans in our country.
01:07:22.000After 9-11, which we could also analyze some aspects of 9-11, after 9-11, 2002, before we invade Iraq, Netanyahu testifies on the House floor And just brazenly saying, you can pull up the video, in fact I'll send it to you, he says, there is no doubt Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and he's schmoozing the congressman, he's like referencing the movie The Great Escape, and he's doing it very charming, and he's blatantly saying he has nuclear facilities hidden underground, and I need regime change, you know.
01:07:55.000Yeah, kind of like when Zelensky comes here.
01:08:17.000Yes, because Israel is about to get us into a war with Iran or Lebanon.
01:08:20.000And Ukraine is about to get us into a war with Russia.
01:08:22.000And Taiwan's about to get us into a war with China.
01:08:26.000And I'm worried about all those things.
01:08:27.000And so the position is general anti-war.
01:08:30.000But what I see is You've got people who have Israel-Palestine Derangement Syndrome, where, no matter what's going on, this, for some reason, trumps literally everything else.
01:08:40.000Quite literally, when Ukraine is the largest recipient of foreign aid right now, and we are facing the direct threat from a world leader with nuclear weapons, you're saying, but maybe Iran?
01:08:48.000And I'm like, Russia literally said he'll nuke us if he has to!
01:08:54.000But in terms of the magnitude of death, Israel-Gaza war far surpassed Russia-Ukraine war, and... I don't care about... If you're paying attention, though, to the winds of change, it does... But what does that mean to me?
01:09:11.000I was about to get to the point of the country, which is that you can kind of see the national security state shifting its attention to Israel as well.
01:09:51.000Also, a horrible thing, which the Saudis actually finally backed off of, and now we're again bombing Yemen because of the Houthis thing, because of Israel, again.
01:10:00.000So we finally ended that war, and now it's started again because of Israel's war.
01:10:14.000And then when the Houthis, who we've been in conflict with the whole time, start attacking us again, and we attack them, you're like, but now it's Israel.
01:10:21.000No, no, no, the Saudi, the Saudis had briefly paused their war in Yemen.
01:10:26.000Yes, the conflict between us and the Houthi rebels and the Iranian militias and all that stuff has been going on well before October 7th.
01:10:33.000No, I know, but before October 7th... But you're saying now Israel's done it?
01:11:02.000I'm like, but Israel got attacked and retaliated.
01:11:04.000You can argue the retaliation is over the top, but they didn't start the war.
01:11:07.000Okay, but we both agree we shouldn't be involved, but if you want to go and assess the entire Israel-Palestine conflict, I mean, you go back to, like, pre-1940s, and it's obvious, like, who the aggressor was in that situation, who took the land.
01:11:19.000Well, Hamas didn't start planning this until Biden came into office.
01:11:23.000No, no, no, I'm attacking your position where I believe you're obsessed with Israel for some reason.
01:12:09.000I'm on your side, and I even told you this.
01:12:13.000I said, you should be happy with me, because my position is, as some redneck that's concerned about what's happening in my neck of the woods, I don't give a shit to go through a 2,000 year history of religions fighting.
01:12:23.000All I'm saying is, don't get involved.
01:12:25.000That's why I was trying to make the case that the Israeli government is dragging us into war.
01:12:29.000Tim is correct, the Ukrainian government is also dragging us into war.
01:12:33.000Israel has by far the most robust lobbying apparatus, and as we know from the whole Epstein saga, in addition to lobbying, they have this espionage apparatus that blackmails our politicians and forces us into war.
01:12:47.000So my point is, I don't like any of these countries that are dragging us into war, and especially Israel's, which is far more powerful and has far more influence.
01:12:54.000So my view is... That's proven from basically all our Middle East interventions, which are all centered around protecting Israel.
01:13:05.000I think that if you analyze what's going on with Israel, one could equally make the argument that the US Manipulates Israel as a puppet state in the Middle East for control, military, weapons development, computer chips particularly, so that when it comes to the conflict in the Middle East we have a massive base of operations.
01:13:25.000The US, and I think the evidence for this is, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, we can pull up the map here, For people who don't know geography, and I'm not trying to be mean, people don't realize that we decide, hey, we gotta invade Iraq, and we gotta invade Afghanistan, and we gotta build a bunch of military bases here.
01:13:40.000And what is in the middle of these two countries?
01:14:07.000military-industrial complex is not just the United States, it's also NATO.
01:14:10.000The massive empire that is the military-industrial complex is not a puppet of Israel.
01:14:16.000No, Tim, you missed part of my point, which is that there are guys like PNAC, there are these hardcore American Zionists who push it, we push it intentionally, and I'm sure there's some back and forth where we have leverage on them and pull the strings, but to deny Israel's influence over US politics compared to Ukraine's influence or Taiwan's influence, I think is a bit silly.
01:14:36.000So, the point I'm making is, it is an assumption that people in the US are like, oh no, Israel's telling us what to do, and not, we agree with them.
01:14:44.000We want our military presence there. There's some of that, but like you had like
01:14:47.000I mean, do you agree that Epstein was likely a Mossad asset?
01:14:52.000I mean, I don't I have no idea But I agree. Well, you should look into that because he was
01:14:55.000blackmailing. He was blackmailing politicians for the benefit of Israel
01:14:59.000He worked for Leslie Wexner who Leslie Wexner is openly a massive Zionist
01:15:04.000But what I'm saying is it is bias to say Israel controls us instead of we are aligned with Israel.
01:16:26.000And there's a great clip of Trump After he was out of office, he's being interviewed for his book, and he's talking about meeting Netanyahu and Abbas, the head of the PLO in the West Bank.
01:16:37.000And he says, very candidly, he says, you know, I got a really good feeling about Abbas.
01:16:43.000He was kind of like a father figure, and I really got the sense he wanted to work out a deal.
01:16:46.000Within five minutes of talking to Netanyahu, I realized he had no intention of ever making a deal.
01:16:51.000So Trump just very candidly kind of said, you know, who's really the ones who don't want to make a peace deal?
01:16:57.000And we pay the price for this, both economically and with our, you know, and potentially the US militarily has wanted to control the Middle East for a very, very long time.
01:17:10.000I agree, but I'm saying Trump actually tried to make peace and the one he said was the problem was Netanyahu.
01:17:30.000When people come out and they go, it's Israel making us do these things, I'm like, no, Israel's a puppet state of the United States.
01:17:36.000I think, I think you're, you're kind of, I mean I agree with you, I think it goes both ways, but I think you're very under, um, appreciating Israel's influence.
01:17:43.000I don't think, I think, but I disagree with that in that it goes both ways in that what I actually think is there is no both ways, it's one entity.
01:17:51.000I mean, obviously, there's, but even within the military industrial complex, there's people who agree and disagree.
01:17:58.000But what I'm saying is, NATO, Israel, the US, Australia, the Five Eyes spy club, there's no one way about it or the other.
01:18:07.000There's no, they're controlling us, no, we're controlling them.
01:18:10.000They're two brothers sitting there smoking joints together, in total agreement on everything, and to argue that one brother made the other brother smoke pot is ridiculous!
01:18:20.000They're sharing the joint they bought together!
01:18:22.000Well, I mean, but, okay, you're kind of just asserting this, but even, you know, if that's the case, there are, and you just acknowledged there are disagreements, but, you know, I'm just asserting this is a funny thing for you to say when you're literally arguing that's what you're doing.
01:18:35.000But you're asserting, I'm trying to give you some points here, but you're just kind of asserting it's all kumbaya when it gets up there.
01:20:00.000Uh, I actually don't know the name of Taiwan's, but I would say there are groups like that and there are groups like the Epoch Times where I used to work, which is, you know, claims to be a media outlet, but it is basically not a Taiwan lobbying group, but it's an anti-CCP lobbying group.
01:20:13.000Um, so I, you know, I don't exactly know what your, what your, the point of your line of questioning is.
01:20:17.000My point is, to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
01:20:39.000not to be dragged into another unnecessary war in the Middle East?
01:20:41.000Which is why my position is, if we could stop the hyper-focus and obsession on one tiny-ass country, and focus on the full-scale problem that is the military-industrial complex... The people who you're bashing as obsessed with Israel are the only ones right now pushing back against... Bro, you've already made a bunch of moral arguments over the deaths in Gaza.
01:20:58.000Because it is a moral atrocity, I don't really... Obsession.
01:21:01.000No, but... How many children have died in Ukraine?
01:21:26.000From the Gaza Health Ministry, which, yes, is run by Hamas, but they do have a track record of being in line with Israel's numbers.
01:21:32.000And the children are something like 12,000.
01:21:35.000Now, considering we spend substantially more money right now on Ukraine, and we're being directly threatened by probably the most powerful nuclear nation on the planet, I'd like to know how many children have died in Ukraine.
01:21:48.000I used to know, well I don't know if I ever bifurcated between children and adults, but I used to know, yes, the Ukraine civilian death count, which is I think below, I think it's below 10,000, I could be wrong on that.
01:22:15.000But the people making the moral arguments, if you want to get something, if you want to convince a politician to stop supporting a certain policy, sometimes you have to make the moral argument, which is like, That's what the left is doing right now, and I'm not a leftist, but I do actually appreciate that the left is out there protesting because it's putting pressure on Biden.
01:22:32.000Every time Blinken walks out of his house, Code Pink and all those, you know, left-wing feminist protesters are pouring red paint on his sidewalk and they're screaming at him, and that's adding pressure.
01:23:27.000Emmanuel Macron just came out, doubled down again, following the third or fourth threat of nuclear force against NATO, and Macron said, we don't care, we will not lose, and he has called for, in the event we need to, NATO troops deployed into Ukraine.
01:23:47.000Putin again responded, we are ready and willing to use nukes against you.
01:23:51.000This is the most money we're spending.
01:23:54.000Zelensky is coming directly to our country.
01:23:56.000We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this war.
01:24:16.000I mean, if this keeps... But I know, but if this keeps going, you know that if they get... Now, here's the point.
01:24:22.000Vladimir Putin, the President, and Desmond— I agree with you.
01:24:27.000So, the leader of a nation which has more nuclear weapons than anybody else has threatened to use them against us.
01:24:33.000But why- have you not asked yourself why it is you know more about Israel when Iran has not directly- doesn't even have a- No, I actually- if you actually quizzed me on it, I probably know more about Ukraine.
01:24:43.000Like, like I was saying, the last two years, I have been all focused on Ukraine.
01:24:47.000It's literally one of the reasons that motivated me into journalism, and then Epoch Times hired me, and then I would go to the State Department and the Pentagon and ask- Every single day, I was the only journalist in the Pentagon and State Department criticizing the Ukraine war.
01:24:59.000Not many people follow me, but you can ask them.
01:25:06.000If I can get in here real quick- And this one seems more pressing because it seems hotter, and also the national security state seems to be pivoting to this one.
01:25:31.000And I can tell you exactly when you've done it.
01:25:33.000You know from the conversation we had before this, we're literally like, yeah, we hear you on Israel, we shouldn't be sending money to them, right?
01:26:04.000I actually agree with the first point you made, that I'm overselling it to you guys, and it's actually probably making you more annoyed with my campaign.
01:26:11.000That was what I said in the very beginning.
01:26:13.000If I could just add to the Code Pink people, I disagree when you come to the Code Pink people.
01:26:19.000Sure, if you're blocking a road and you're pissing off guys driving in traffic, what are you really helping?
01:26:23.000But if you're going outside Blinken's house, which they are doing, that does add pressure to Blinken, and they do see that they're losing the progressive left.
01:26:31.000Like in states like Michigan, where there's a huge Muslim population.
01:26:33.000Those things, I think, actually do add pressure.
01:26:36.000Like, you know, since we already agree, I probably didn't need to... Yeah, which was your point about me making the moral case for no reason.
01:26:51.000This is a conversation we've had with Ian a lot.
01:26:54.000Because the first thing I try to do whenever someone comes up to me and talks to me about Israel is I immediately just say, like, how many people have died in Ukraine?
01:28:09.000But in terms of those conflicts you just mentioned, besides Yemen, which ended at least Saudi Arabia's persecution of it, you might not care, but there are people who do care about innocent life, and, you know, it's the greatest magnitude, and therefore it's the greatest urgency to be upset about.
01:28:23.000I think take, like, I understand what you're saying that there might other be people that need, you know, convinced in other ways.
01:28:29.000For me, this is the simplest argument.
01:28:30.000When we take these moral stances, these are the sort of things that our intelligence agencies end up doing.
01:28:36.000We're in a military alliance of NATO, right?
01:28:39.000And in that alliance, we are honor bound and treaty bound to defend any NATO country, correct?
01:28:44.000So we've stationed nuclear weapons in the country of Turkey.
01:28:47.000Meanwhile, we're in Syria bombing Assad, and we're told that we can't leave Syria to the point where the generals committed treason, as far as I'm concerned, and lied to Donald Trump when he tried to pull out.
01:28:57.000Because the argument is, if we leave Syria, our ally, the Kurds, will have genocide committed on them by our ally, the Turks, who we've given nuclear weapons.
01:29:05.000Now, how does that apply to what we're saying?
01:29:07.000I don't care about who's right or wrong in these conflicts.
01:31:14.000It must be the Sudanese lobby coming to the United States and insisting that we give them money, isn't it?
01:31:20.000It's not that I'm hypothesizing that there is an Israeli lobby.
01:31:24.000There is one, and it's AIPAC, and it has billions of dollars that it funds to all these different politicians, and you won't have a hard time getting people like Ron Johnson or Rand Paul or Thomas Massey to criticize the war in Sudan.
01:31:35.000You will actually get the hard time, even with those guys who have high integrity, in my opinion, to come out vehemently and criticize Um, the Israeli government, but also it's fewer deaths and it's less money.
01:31:47.000There's a, there's a reason Israel is more pressing and it's because we're sending them more money and more innocent people are dying.
01:31:52.000I mean, for me, it just feels like we have such a problem with corruption and getting involved in these wars in this country.
01:31:57.000It seems like this entire 30 minute conversation is sort of irrelevant in that we should be focusing on the agreement that we're all agreeing to stop sending the money.
01:32:04.000And what happens is when we get drug into the, but Israel's more immoral, I could easily push back and say, but here are certain things, and then we get involved in this, what I see as an unnecessary conversation for the people that we're trying to reach at this moment.
01:32:17.000Granted, if we're sitting at the table with a bunch of lefties, or we're sitting at the table with a bunch of, like, evangelicals that think we need to defend Israel because, you know, the resurrection's coming, then yes, your arguments don't...
01:32:28.000Your argument changes when it comes to land, but I think that we're spending a lot of time disagreeing on something that we're basically all agreeing on 95% of what we're talking about.
01:32:36.000The frustrating thing to me is that there are people who live in this world where Israel is the cause of literally everything.
01:32:42.000And, you know, I've talked about during Occupy Wall Street, that story I tell quite a bit, where the guy stands up and yells, what's wrong with you people?
01:32:54.000I am not one of these people that thinks like Israel and especially like the people who are literally anti-semitic and they think the Jews are doing it.
01:32:59.000I am not one of these people that think the Jews get us into every con.
01:33:02.000Yeah, you said that before the show you were talking about this.
01:33:04.000Yeah, and those people are stupid and wrong because you...
01:33:08.000You create a barrier for Jewish people who might be critics of Israel to come on board and join your cause.
01:33:13.000So I just want to be clear, I'm not one of those people.
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01:34:43.000Brandon Norton says, I hope you guys are going to talk about the guy from Boeing who unalived himself and after was on his way back for a third day.
01:35:07.000So, uh, we've never had a Snowball 1, and I was like, we can't name another cat Bocas, so we'll get a cat called Snowball 2 as the joke, which is also a Simpsons reference.
01:36:13.000I like when he would come onto the show and like prevent me from camera switching because his tails just hit me in the face.
01:36:19.000I'm pretty sure that in the walls he's probably pissed and we'll never find it and no one ever will and it'll be like 40 years later someone will be like remodeling and they'll go, what the?
01:36:30.000And I'm pretty sure within the next few weeks or months, we're going to go into like an unused closet or something and just realize there's, you know, piss somewhere and that's what he did.
01:36:40.000Shamus, the new cat, Shamus 1, not Shamus 2.
01:36:44.000Shamus 1 does not- I think the cat is called Shamus 1.
01:37:30.000It was funny because we were hanging out and I mentioned passively, we had a guest over, they were getting ready for the show and I was like, oh, we gotta bring in Seamus to get his balls chopped off.
01:37:52.000And I was like, I'm talking about the cat.
01:37:55.000So we have removed his ability to reproduce.
01:37:58.000I'm pretty sure Seamus One has siblings all over the area though.
01:38:01.000So he was living in a garage, and then we trapped him, caged him, Stockholm Syndrome'd him, and then removed his testicles, and now he is a house cat who very much enjoys his new existence, though it is the end of his bloodline, but in the middle of the night you can hear a female cat in heat screaming, and I'm like, The mama cat didn't have one baby.
01:38:21.000She probably had a bunch of babies and then they grew up and they're all over somewhere.
01:38:25.000Yeah, the female cat screaming in heat is really, that'll keep you up nights.
01:38:57.000You just squeeze it, argh, you get angry.
01:38:58.000You know, I gotta be honest, people always said, drums are so great because you get all your stress out, and I was like, I have never felt relief from physically striking something.
01:39:07.000Punching a pillow or squeezing a ball.
01:39:11.000For me, my advice on work is as follows.
01:39:15.000Either get a job that you hate and pays you tons of money so you can live the exact life you want when you're not at work, or get a job that you love that makes enough so you can eat.
01:39:23.000So if you're in a high-stress job and it's not paying you enough... Why are those the only options?
01:39:41.000But I think a lot of people get stuck in jobs that they hate, and it doesn't pay much.
01:39:45.000Yeah, probably it doesn't pay much because you're working a job you hate.
01:39:47.000Like, how are you ever going to advance if you're just like, God damn, I gotta get out of here.
01:39:51.000Yeah, I think, if you want to de-stress, to Libby's point, you actually, you do have to advance.
01:39:56.000So if you are in a job that you hate, and it pays poorly, what I would do, and it's not going to be an immediate fix, but like, go, like, get a side hustle, but like, not like a stupid, you know, I don't know, that phrase sounds stupid, but I mean like, go, Like, I didn't have a journalism background, but I kind of DM'd my way and worked my way into journalism by writing op-eds and things.
01:40:14.000Do something like that where you're building something you are passionate about, and results will ease that stress for you when you actually get another job with something you like or something like that.
01:40:24.000But hone your skills, become smarter, and, you know, that's really probably the only way to get out of it.
01:40:28.000The Cryogenic Drummer says, try a workout, Tim.
01:40:31.000I've recently hired a personal trainer, and we're also doing work personal training sessions once a week.
01:40:38.000And, uh, cause I skate all the time, so I got great legs, but I have zero upper body.
01:40:43.000And so I was like, I've literally never done it.
01:40:45.000And, you know, I was talking to the most trusted health professional in, in, uh, media, Joe Rogan, of course.
01:41:03.000You know, I think the thing that never really got me when people were saying stuff like, do exercise and lift, is they always just be like, oh yeah, it's so good for you.
01:41:19.000And then the next day you wake up just feeling really good.
01:41:21.000Well, in the words of Elle Woods, you know, exercise gives you endorphins, and endorphins make you happy, and happy people don't kill their husbands.
01:41:49.000Children are not stupid, they have just not been programmed.
01:41:52.000So, when you buy a brand new computer and it's got, you know, 10 terabytes or however many terabytes you put in it, the computer is no less good of a computer because you've never installed video games on it.
01:42:01.000You guys just gotta do the work to install all the programs in the video games.
01:42:04.000So, the mistake a lot of parents I see make is, I remember I was asking someone about their kid and if they were teaching him math or anything, like, ah, he's not ready for that, he's not smart enough.
01:42:14.000And I was like, He won't be smart enough if you don't start teaching him.
01:42:28.000They're like, oh it's easier for kids to learn how to speak a language and I'm like...
01:42:32.000The child is surrounded by people speaking, and it takes them a couple of years to learn to speak, and they're still not articulate.
01:42:38.000A human being, an adult human, can become fluent in a Rom- if you have a European-based language, Romance or Germanic, it takes an estimate, I believe it's 44 weeks.
01:42:48.000of training to become fluent, conversational in everything.
01:42:52.000And if you are a European and trying to learn an Asian language, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Thai, etc.
01:42:59.000It takes up to 80 or 90 weeks. It's more difficult because it's a different language structure.
01:43:05.000In less than one year, an adult human can become totally fluent in another language.
01:43:13.000So if you speak English, you want to learn Russian, if you are doing standard lessons, it takes you less than a year to do.
01:43:22.000How long does it take a human to become fluent in a language?
01:43:26.000Certainly a seven-year-old child can talk to you, But are they going to be able to articulate their thoughts about the intricacies of the politics in Lichtenstein or something like that?
01:43:35.000Now, I'm not saying they have to know about the politics, but those words themselves.
01:43:38.000So people are always like, kids learn language easier.
01:43:40.000No, adults can learn language easier because they've been programmed, like we've developed those minds.
01:43:48.000Get your kid on a skateboard, give your kid a baseball, give your kid a football, any kind of sport, and get them doing physical activity, mental activity, music, reading, all of it, and many parents will find, but my kid doesn't understand it.
01:44:41.000Either commit to it or vote them out, all of them.
01:44:45.000Yeah, I wish it were that easy, but there are challenges.
01:44:47.000I think you- I think- check out the culture war episode we did with the former congressional staffers to understand the issue of term limits.
01:45:00.000I ran for Congress and it was a special election in 2019.
01:45:03.000There was one county that split in half in Pennsylvania, so half of our election was.
01:45:07.000And the other half that I wasn't running for, a man by the name of Glenn Thompson, he's the longest serving Republican in Pennsylvania.
01:45:14.000When you went to that county, it was the only county that they told you, don't talk about term limits because they love Glenn and he would be out.
01:45:22.000Every other county, they wanted to hear term limits, term limits.
01:45:24.000And it was amazing to me because as some just, you know, novice Rube, I'm just saying off the cuff what I really believe.
01:45:30.000And everyone else is thinking... Oh, that's your first mistake.
01:45:45.000Alright, Cornelius says, if McAfee isn't going to dismiss the charges, the best thing he could do for Trump is leave Fannie on the case instead of allowing a different, possibly more competent DA to take over the case.
01:45:57.000That's why they're not doing it because they want to get it in as soon as possible.
01:46:02.000They just want to delay and interfere with the election.
01:46:05.000Max Reddick says, I remember Rob had a conversation with Destiny about Biden's business dealings.
01:46:09.000He laid out the argument pretty well, but Destiny didn't buy it.
01:46:12.000See, that's the issue with the left and the right.
01:46:18.000We were talking about this earlier, the left will tell you things didn't happen, the right will agree on what happened, but disagree on what they mean.
01:46:24.000I was thinking about this, and it's not absolute, but talking to Dave Smith, for instance, we're like, we agree X happened, and I'm like, yeah, but that will start to do Y, and he goes, no, Y's not gonna happen, it's gonna be Z!
01:46:36.000And so it's like, we agree on reality, but what the probabilities are, are where we argue, and so we get along.
01:46:42.000And then you see that clip with Destiny where he's like, they never said that vaccines were going to stop transmission.
01:46:56.000But you can't play the montage when you're live on Piers Morgan, so when the Democrats lie...
01:47:00.000Well, the mistake people make is when I'm arguing with Destiny, I'm not arguing for Trump against Biden.
01:47:05.000I'm arguing against these bureaucratic institutions.
01:47:08.000My argument is the FBI treated Biden differently when he was doing a quid pro quo with your tax dollars to fire a prosecutor looking into his son's company.
01:47:17.000Once that prosecutor was fired, his son's company benefits immensely.
01:47:20.000And Destiny and the left's argument is, but you don't have proof that he did it for that reason.
01:47:25.000It's just coincidence that by firing that prosecutor, it ended up massively benefiting Hunter Biden's company.
01:47:30.000And my argument is, why didn't the FBI look into this and have a commiserate investigation until they did the Donald Trump with Russia collusion?
01:47:36.000Well, what they're saying now is, look, we know that they called DC asking for help dealing with the prosecutor who was investigating this company.
01:47:43.000And we know, several months later, Joe Biden flew there and said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.
01:48:25.000It's something called beyond a reasonable doubt.
01:48:28.000I hate to wax on about this, but think about this.
01:48:31.000They say that, well, just because it could have personally benefited Hunter Biden, that doesn't mean that's the reason that Joe Biden did it.
01:48:37.000Therefore, no need for a special counsel.
01:48:39.000And yet, if you remember, the special counsel under Trump of Mueller was appointed because every Democrat, every Republican said, fire James Comey.
01:48:47.000Then they fired him and people said, yeah, but Trump did it for personal reasons, possibly.
01:48:50.000So why doesn't that apply to Biden as well?
01:51:29.000He would walk around and like, the community of relations, the community affairs, NYPD, they're like supposed to try and talk and negotiate with protests and stuff like that.
01:52:07.000When I'm like, I don't understand why we're funding Israel or any one of these other countries, and I don't care for any one of these singular countries.
01:52:14.000I think we should stop funding all of it.
01:52:29.000So I remember when I was on here last time, you were ready, and we went in together on Zelensky and on Victoria Nuland and on the people who perpetrated the war in Ukraine.
01:52:37.000I don't hear you going in on Israel in the same way.
01:52:40.000I get that you're not against the funding, but you're a vehement critic of Zelensky.
01:54:13.000The Sudan thing is not like we're funding war, although I think it's fair to say you can look in the budget and see that we are, but a billion dollars in quote-unquote developmental assistance?
01:54:21.000I'm like, is that what they call War funding?
01:55:37.000So my point is, you should look into things like that and realize they do have a lot of influence over this country, and that would anger you more to be exploited, presumably.
01:55:43.000I think Israel hires all of the anti-Israel people on purpose to create this faction of incessant annoying people on Twitter to push as many people as possible away from the issue.
01:55:54.000There's a difference between Sudan and Israel.
01:55:56.000I'm sorry that my arguments aren't working on you.
01:56:00.000I would equate the Ron DeSantis supporters with the anti-Israel faction on X. It's like this weird, vicious, pitbull-biting, snarling intensity.
01:56:19.000The point I'm bringing up with you is that Like right now, if we're objectively analyzing global conflict, Ukraine receives the most money.
01:56:28.000It's a direct conflict between NATO and a nuclear power.
01:56:51.000I said, what I see is, for some reason, a hyper-fixation from too many people on one country, when the United States is spending combined untold billions all over this planet on things we should not, And when you go to someone... Alex Jones, I saw him on C-SPAN a long time ago.
01:57:11.000And this was probably like in 2008 or something.
01:57:13.000And I can't remember what it was, but the camera guy, the guy reporting was like, oh we've got Alex Jones.
01:57:18.000And he goes to the camera and starts screaming, PEOPLE YOU AREN'T LISTENING TO ME!
01:57:20.000THEY'RE COMING HERE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!
01:57:43.000I think if we didn't, I mean, Ron Paul, also a courageous man when he was in the Congress, was actually willing to criticize Israel.
01:57:50.000He made the argument that actually if we cut off all funding to Israel, they might start playing nice with their neighbors because right now they know that the U.S., even more so than Ukraine, they know that the U.S.
01:57:59.000is going to back them in a big regional war.
01:58:01.000So no, I think if we actually cut them off, they would perhaps stop bombing.
01:58:05.000I don't think it's as clear as Ukraine.
01:58:06.000The other thing I'll say real quick is there are people in positions of power and certainly in certain cultural institutions that are on both sides of the Israel-Palestine debate.
01:58:17.000When we talk about Ukraine, it's because there is near uniformity from the left, from the right, from every institution, from students to entertainers.
01:58:25.000It's all, we gotta back Ukraine, we gotta back Ukraine.
01:58:28.000Whereas Israel-Palestine, you get lost in the shuffle.
01:59:31.000It may shift to Israel because of what's going on, but in the mid to end of last year, the reporting that we covered was the U.S.
01:59:42.000had been ordering large amounts of missiles specifically for the weaponry that we have in the Middle East, and they reduced dramatically those purchases and shifted towards naval weaponry and ordnance.
01:59:55.000leading many analysts to indicate the US is gearing up for conflict with China over Taiwan,
02:00:00.000especially with the treaty that we have with the treaty we had with Australia,
02:00:04.000the deployment of US personnel and as well to the to the Indo-Pacific. So that seems to be their
02:00:11.000main play. Plus, with the concern over Thucydides trap and the likelihood of conflict with China,
02:00:15.000that seems to make a lot more sense, especially considering China is a nuclear power,
02:00:50.000The bright side is it hasn't started yet.
02:00:52.000I mean, your point of Israel is more underway, like a potential conflict with Iran is more underway than China-Taiwan, but I agree with you.
02:00:58.000If you listen to like Uh, bipartisan foreign policy staff.
02:01:02.000They are, like, the focus is on 100% China, and that would be by far the worst.
02:01:07.000in a direct hot war with China, um, would be terrible, and we would all agree on that, so that's scary, and I hope we avoid it, but I really want to avoid all three, because all three can go nuclear, potentially.
02:01:17.000Um, Iran's perhaps in the form of, like, a dirty nuke or something like that, but... Agreed.
02:01:22.000It's terrifying, and we should avoid all of these things.
02:01:25.000Um, so, you know, I can't disagree with what you just said.
02:01:29.000My final point on this is that there are a lot of people, if you go on X, Where it's just like, holy shit, dude, calm down.
02:01:40.000Well, there is literal, like, anti-semitism, too, where it's like, you know, they take the charts of the Jews and, you know, and media and all that stuff.
02:01:46.000There are people who, like, their emotions go from zero to eleven when the issue comes up, and they start bashing their faces figuratively against the table when it's like no other issue causes that.
02:01:58.000But, I want to read one last super chat.
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02:02:58.000I wish we'd talked about the TikTok bill.
02:03:00.000I think it would have been more fun and less, you know, high stakes.
02:03:04.000If you go to my Twitter right now, you will see Tucker Carlson just tweeted a video of me giving Dan Crenshaw a hard time on the Hill.
02:03:11.000That's kind of what I do is, you know, go to the Hill and interview congressmen and then go to press briefings in DC and stuff.
02:03:21.000Um, you can find me there, and sadly we didn't get to argue about TikTok, but off-air, Tim and I were going at it on that too, so... Well, Tucker said Biden would have the power to ban any news site that challenges him, and that's factually false.
02:03:40.000Well he can actually, so if they have a million monthly users and only one user has to post stuff and be able to contribute, so that could be a new site.
02:03:53.000I mean if you have a million monthly users, which isn't that hard.
02:03:55.000So first, not any, that's factually false.
02:03:58.000Secondly, it doesn't ban the site, it requires a forced divestment.
02:04:01.000I've estimate within six months and it has judicial is a judicial review
02:04:06.000process as authoritarian and it's it's to say outright the bill allows Biden to
02:04:12.000do this my argument is it would be like going Donald Trump is a nationalist and
02:04:16.000he is also a white man therefore he's a white nationalist and it's like okay
02:04:19.000well that's like technically semantically true that's not real but
02:04:22.000it okay so any not any a month a million monthly users but that like if you add
02:04:27.000the a million monthly users caveat it is a true statement.
02:04:30.000And it has to be connected to one of four countries.
02:04:33.000There's... Yeah, but that's up to their, that's up to their claim to make.
02:04:36.000It just says controlled or at the direction of some other countries.
02:04:39.000And you have, and... They said that about zero hedge in 2022 when the war broke out.
02:04:42.000And then you have to look at legal jurisprudences to whether someone can functionally just claim and it becomes legal.
02:05:26.000He can try to force certain websites to divest from resources and assets pertaining to one of four countries that have already been codified by Congress.
02:05:34.000If he claims that the news organization is at the direction or control of one of those countries.
02:06:04.000I focus on corruption and sort of the two-tier justice system to me more than any individual politician, Biden, Trump, Hillary, whoever.
02:06:12.000These institutions that exist in perpetuity that put their thumbs on the scale are more of a threat to our country than any individual politician.
02:06:20.000And so that's what I like to focus on.
02:06:50.000Yuri Bezmenov warned that communists are going to try to indoctrinate our youth and manipulate them.
02:06:55.000TikTok is the clearest example of them doing that.
02:06:57.000For some reason, people are against Yuri Bezmenov's warning at this point, which doesn't quite make sense.
02:07:02.000And I see the likes of Tucker Carlson and many other personalities coming out without actually breaking down the full context of the bill.
02:07:09.000And saying things that I believe are gross misrepresentations or extreme exaggerations of what is likely going to happen.
02:07:16.000Where the argument turns into, but the government is corrupt and does corrupt things.
02:07:20.000To which my response is, LavaBit was an email service provider that was providing secure services.
02:07:26.000The NSA approached them with a national security letter in 2013 and they were forced to shut down or comply with the government.
02:07:32.000This bill does not give more power to the already near-absolute powers the government has, including the Obama NDAA indefinite detention provision, which allows them to hold secret military tribunals to rendition you in the middle of the night to an offshore location where you could disappear forever, and they claim that's been codified by Congress.
02:07:51.000This bill is stamp collecting relative to what the deep state and the security intelligence agencies already have.
02:07:58.000And that being said, Hannah Clare, you want to shout anything out?
02:08:06.000Of course, you should absolutely follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram because that's where Scanner's news work goes out.
02:08:13.000I posted a, you know, it's Women's History Month.
02:08:16.000None of the men in this room acknowledge that tonight, but I have a profile up about Melissa Mayer, the former CEO of Yahoo and the controversies she caused among working moms.
02:08:38.000You can find me at LibbyEmmons on Twitter, and you can check out all the great work we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com.
02:08:45.000Tim, real question on the communism thing, to fight communism.
02:08:48.000I will ask this question, then I won't argue.
02:08:50.000Sir, I have a life, I have to go home.
02:08:53.000Tim, don't you think it is kind of a communist tactic to be banning, you know, a platform that millions of people are using to, you know, post things and interact?
02:09:15.000I don't understand the issue of, like, this country is our enemy who has, like, tried to destroy us, and is super corrupt, and is undermining our trade policy, our foreign policy, they're buying up our farmland, they're gutting us from the inside out.
02:09:27.000We desperately need to take action against them, and the only reason action can be taken now is because Democrats love Israel so much they agreed to finally sign onto a bill that would do something about it.
02:09:37.000I'm also seeing tons of personalities sharing the Restrict Act, trying to claim that's the actual bill, and that's just like, why are so many people posting false things about this?
02:09:49.000I can only conclude that some people genuinely don't like the bill, I can respect that.
02:09:53.000Some people don't understand they're being misled and they're sharing provisions from the restrict deck, which is wrong, or they're sharing only snippets.
02:10:20.000I think diplomacy can work, but I won't argue any further.
02:10:22.000We don't have an after show on Fridays, but what you guys should do as soon as we wrap is go over to Tenet Media and watch the Culture War, which we had with Rob this morning.