Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Fani Willis Wins, Trump Judge Refuses To Remove Leftist DA w-Liam Cosgrove | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Ah yes, Nathan Wade in the Georgia case will be stepping down.

00:00:11.000 Fonny Willis effectively wins.

00:00:13.000 All that's really happening now with this removal is that the judge said, well, there's an odor of mendacity, but you know, we're just gonna just say stop working together.

00:00:24.000 So Fannie Willis gets to keep doing whatever she wants. 1.00

00:00:26.000 She's been accused of perjury. 1.00

00:00:27.000 She's facing a potential perjury inquiry. 1.00

00:00:30.000 Nathan Wade, all the same.

00:00:32.000 There were three individuals, I believe, who have been accused of perjury in that hearing.

00:00:37.000 And the judge just goes, oh, whatever, I guess.

00:00:39.000 Now, the funny thing is, this woman is charging many of Trump's lawyers and Trump personalities with lying to law enforcement or obstruction and things of that nature. 0.97

00:00:49.000 Yet she is now being accused of the same thing, and the judge He's a coward.

00:00:53.000 I can't say I'm surprised we talked a little bit about this morning on the Culture War podcast, but we'll talk about that.

00:00:57.000 Ooh, I got a good one.

00:00:59.000 There have been a ton of stories, I don't know if you've seen, of Boeing jets, wheel falling off.

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00:01:12.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:01:13.000 But there's this Boeing whistleblower, who they say in the media died of apparent suicide.

00:01:18.000 The reporting now, and this is from Jalopnik, this is not a conservative source, is that he told his friend, I am not suicidal and don't believe it if they say I killed myself.

00:01:28.000 Seems like we have a conspiracy.

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00:03:38.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else, we got a couple people.

00:03:40.000 We got Liam Cosgrove.

00:03:42.000 Hello, everyone.

00:03:43.000 Thank you for having me again, Tim.

00:03:45.000 Good to be here.

00:03:46.000 And I'm a reporter with The Gray Zone, Max Blumenthal's outlet.

00:03:51.000 And, yeah, it's good to be here.

00:03:53.000 Right on.

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00:03:54.000 He was here this morning.

00:03:55.000 Thank you so much for having me again.

00:03:56.000 I'm Rob Knorr.

00:03:57.000 I am probably the premier right-wing debater on this crazy Twitch YouTube debate sphere.

00:04:02.000 So, honored to be back again.

00:04:03.000 Looking forward to it.

00:04:04.000 Right on.

00:04:05.000 Hannah Clare's hanging out.

00:04:05.000 Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brameau.

00:04:07.000 I'm back again.

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00:04:12.000 I hope you guys are having a great Friday.

00:04:14.000 Libby's here.

00:04:14.000 I'm here.

00:04:15.000 I'm Libby Emmons.

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00:04:16.000 Glad to be hanging out, y'all.

00:04:18.000 Uh, and I am not Surge.gov.

00:04:20.000 Uh, it's Kellen.

00:04:21.000 I'm filling in for Nate.

00:04:22.000 Is that what I changed it to?

00:04:22.000 No, no, but I like, uh, playing fun with him with that one.

00:04:26.000 But yeah, let's get, let's get into it.

00:04:27.000 Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.

00:04:28.000 This is the big news breaking from this morning.

00:04:31.000 Now, I, we do know, I think, I think we should, we jump to this right here.

00:04:34.000 Nathan Wade is the, uh, he's, he's stepping down.

00:04:38.000 He's a special prosecutor who was appointed by Fannie Willis.

00:04:41.000 And after the judge ruled, basically nothing's going to happen.

00:04:45.000 She's allowed to keep her work going. 0.54

00:04:48.000 She won't be taken off of this case.

00:04:51.000 I can't say I'm surprised.

00:04:52.000 When the judge dismissed six charges against the Trump defendants, three against Trump personally, many people were saying that this is evidence that the judge will not rule against Fannie Willis.

00:05:04.000 What we're hearing now in the press is that the judge wants to split the baby.

00:05:07.000 That's what everyone's saying, split the baby. 0.99

00:05:10.000 Uh, as anyone knows, when you split the baby, the baby dies.

00:05:12.000 That's a problem.

00:05:13.000 And so, if the issue here is that Judge Scott McAfee was trying to prevent, I don't know, um, uh, what's the right word?

00:05:23.000 Acrimonious conflict or whatever.

00:05:25.000 How are we doing?

00:05:26.000 Conflict in general.

00:05:27.000 He's certainly done the opposite. 1.00

00:05:28.000 And he has, as the coward he is, the spineless, pathetic man that he is, flicked a match into the tinderbox. 1.00

00:05:35.000 Because the appropriate move for this spineless piece of trash would have been to say, If you don't want there to be conflict, you must stop the conflict. 0.99

00:05:44.000 So, which he should have said, what we're going to do is, to avoid the image of partiality and bias, we will politely ask Ms. 0.95

00:05:52.000 Willis to please step aside and we will have someone else come and take up this case.

00:05:56.000 This is not indicative of wrongdoing on Ms.

00:05:58.000 Willis, it's indicative of the integrity of the court and our attempt to appear impartial as we bring justice about.

00:06:03.000 Instead, he's terrified what the left would do if he even tried to be impartial, so he said, burn the whole thing to the ground.

00:06:10.000 There we are.

00:06:11.000 Yeah, it's a rough time for him because he's also in the middle of a real action campaign, so I don't know if that will hurt.

00:06:18.000 I don't think it will help him in his district, but he said before this wasn't political.

00:06:22.000 He's staying biased.

00:06:24.000 You know, a lot of eyes were on him in this decision, and I thought the language of like, well, either Willis and her entire office can go, or Wade can step down.

00:06:34.000 So you guys make a decision.

00:06:36.000 Whatever you think was sort of... He was really trying to walk a weird line.

00:06:40.000 It's another irony in every single legal case, the law fair against Trump, every single time they do exactly what they're accusing Trump of.

00:06:47.000 So they're charging him with Rico and racketeering and perjury.

00:06:51.000 I mean, the worst thing she's accused of doing is intimidating witnesses, which is incredibly serious.

00:06:55.000 And yet she's allowed to stay on this case.

00:06:57.000 The reason is quite simple.

00:06:58.000 Just like with Jack Smith, they need to get this case in before the election.

00:07:02.000 This is all about election interference.

00:07:05.000 So they're worried, well, if we remove her from the case and bring someone else on, perhaps this won't come about before the election.

00:07:10.000 Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with justice.

00:07:13.000 It is completely about interfering in the election and trying to save the American people because they know they're going to get a guilty verdict because the left is nuts and they don't care.

00:07:20.000 They'll indict Trump for anything.

00:07:22.000 It doesn't matter if he did it or not.

00:07:23.000 It's all about impugning him and interfering in the election, which, by the way, is the very thing they say that Trump tried to do, which makes him authoritarian.

00:07:30.000 I suppose the issue, the question is, does this hurt Trump or help him more that he's being targeted, indicted?

00:07:37.000 Because the one thing it is doing is making sure that Trump can't campaign.

00:07:40.000 While Trump is locked up in court, going to Florida trying to get dismissals and things like this, you've got Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and they're going out and they're campaigning.

00:07:47.000 What, Kamala Harris, you went to like a Planned Parenthood or something? 0.57

00:07:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, in Minnesota.

00:07:51.000 So they're cheating.

00:07:53.000 This is cheating.

00:07:54.000 Democrats are cheating.

00:07:56.000 And the question is, does it actually hurt Trump, though?

00:07:58.000 Because many people have made the argument that his polls go up when we see things like this.

00:08:02.000 Well, his polls do go up when we see this kind of thing.

00:08:04.000 And I think that a lot of people also see that the way that Trump is being targeted is, in many ways, the way that Americans are being targeted.

00:08:11.000 We have the DOJ going after We have moms and parents at school board meetings, including a father whose daughter was, you know, allegedly raped in the school bathroom, and the DOJ went after him.

00:08:21.000 We have the DOJ going after Catholics who prefer Latin mass, all based on just one guy's information, and they extrapolated that.

00:08:29.000 You have the Biden administration still saying that white supremacy and domestic extremism are the biggest threats facing the United States while the border is collapsing.

00:08:37.000 You have Haitian immigrants are about to, like, flood the country. 1.00

00:08:40.000 The Biden administration has a program in place where 30,000 refugees can come into the U.S.

00:08:46.000 from very specific countries, including Venezuela and Haiti, two countries that have definitely been in the news lately.

00:08:51.000 We've seen a lot of crimes lately in the U.S.

00:08:54.000 committed by Venezuelan asylum seekers, you know, and we're about to have that kind of stuff going on probably from...

00:09:01.000 That's what they say, that's how they make it legal, asylum seekers.

00:09:04.000 And this guy, Jose Ibarra, who is accused of killing Lake and Riley in Georgia, he was an asylum seeker and a story out from the New York Post quoted his wife saying that the reason they got married She had a five-year-old from a previous relationship, and she said the reason they got married was so that they could join up their asylum cases and have a better shot at gaining asylum, and now it turns out that, you know, he's a murderer.

00:09:26.000 That's the beginning of a rom-com!

00:09:27.000 That's such a great reason to get married! 0.99

00:09:29.000 It's a meet-cute!

00:09:30.000 But the other thing, too, that we see in Michigan and, what is it, Wisconsin, we're also seeing The state's there, the Attorney General's there, going after electors who were on the alternate slate of electors.

00:09:43.000 So Americans who are locked up in the legal system for these kind of crazy charges, the J6ers, all of that, they can see what's going on. 1.00

00:09:52.000 I think what would be great for Trump is if he got a VP pick, and the VP pick could go out there, someone who's really good at campaigning, that's what we want to see, someone who can draw crowds.

00:10:01.000 Well, and this is one of the things Nikki Haley used against Trump. 1.00

00:10:03.000 She gave a speech saying, you know, Trump spends more time in the courtroom than on the campaign trail, right?

00:10:08.000 Everyone who's against Trump points to his legal issues and says, look, he's not committed to you as voters, when really I think his true supporters are like, you guys are doing everything you can to bind his wrists to the wall and keep him from running.

00:10:19.000 Right, and she was even one of the people saying we have to tie this up before the election. 1.00

00:10:23.000 We have Trump's attorneys out there every day, like, pushing it back and pushing it back.

00:10:27.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, you guys, but Alvin Bragg in New York, he said he elevated the, what, 34 counts of falsifying business records?

00:10:36.000 These are misdemeanors.

00:10:37.000 He elevated them to a felony, and he still hasn't given any explanation for how they're a felony.

00:10:41.000 They can only be a felony if they were in commission to a greater crime, and he still hasn't said what that crime is. 0.96

00:10:47.000 Well, because they're liars and they're corrupt and they'll just do whatever they want. 0.98

00:10:49.000 That's exactly right. 0.97

00:10:50.000 And remember, that charge that Bragg's charging with has to do with campaign finance non-disclosures, a crime that we know Hillary Clinton committed.

00:10:57.000 Well, Hillary Clinton paid $8,000 in a fine for that. $8,000! 0.99

00:11:02.000 That's constantly the theme.

00:11:04.000 And the DNC had to pay a much larger sum of money.

00:11:07.000 But Hillary Clinton did the same thing. 1.00

00:11:09.000 She got fined $8,000.

00:11:10.000 And Trump is, you know, what, do you think they're going to fine him $8,000 for the same crime?

00:11:14.000 Go back to the FAR violation.

00:11:16.000 $8,000 million!

00:11:18.000 And her crime, she said that money paid to her attorneys was for legal fees. 1.00

00:11:22.000 And it was actually money paid to her attorneys to create the Steele dossier.

00:11:28.000 Right.

00:11:29.000 And you go back to like every single one of these charges, the FAR violations against Trump's campaign manager.

00:11:33.000 We talked about this this morning a little, right?

00:11:35.000 That same crime was committed with the Podesta group, which was the campaign manager of Hillary Clinton.

00:11:40.000 And yet they're allowed to receive retroactively filing paperwork.

00:11:43.000 You have Hunter Biden who committed FAR.

00:11:44.000 Every single one of these crimes, the problem isn't that they're charging the crimes.

00:11:48.000 The problem is the two-tier justice and selective prosecution.

00:11:52.000 The entire Russia collusion story was as follows.

00:11:54.000 We had to break some eggs.

00:11:56.000 We had to break the law because the allegations so serious that Trump may have colluded with Russians.

00:12:00.000 And how did they seek to prove it?

00:12:02.000 By Hillary Clinton colluding with a Russian spy and the FBI allowing it to get dirt to illegally spy on Trump.

00:12:07.000 Every single time what they accused Trump of is exactly what they're doing.

00:12:12.000 Well, somebody has to pay for their crimes and it's not going to be them.

00:12:15.000 It's absolutely true.

00:12:16.000 And, like, you have to look at, like, with Fannie Willis here.

00:12:19.000 Again, they say that they're against even the appearance of impropriety.

00:12:22.000 Go back and look when you had James Comey was fired, and so they have the Mueller report.

00:12:25.000 Mueller was the, basically, advisor of James Comey, his mentor.

00:12:30.000 That committee had 17 Democrats on it, including two lawyers that worked for the Hillary campaign. 0.97

00:12:35.000 And I said at the time, I was like, if there's ever a right winger that does a special counsel, they'll lose their mind.

00:12:41.000 We have the Her Report. 0.89

00:12:42.000 And just because this guy, what, saluted an American flag or something at some point in his life, they're like, he must be Republican.

00:12:47.000 They're so jaded and they're so entitled that the left wing and the Democrat perception of things is we not only expect special prosecutors and the FBI to let us off the hook, they're not even allowed to say a bad word about us while we do it.

00:13:00.000 That's the double system that we have, where they literally are let off the hook for obvious crimes.

00:13:05.000 But if someone like Comey says, but it was bad or her says, yeah, the president's losing his marbles.

00:13:10.000 They say that's not good enough that he let him off the hook. It's it's the double. This

00:13:14.000 country cannot survive this sort of double standard. This is the real election interference.

00:13:18.000 And unless we stand up and do something about it, we're going to be in a really bad place.

00:13:22.000 I mean, I think they hide Scott Pressler. That's.

00:13:26.000 Did they hire Scott Pressler or they're just like working with Scott Pressler?

00:13:31.000 They announced that he's gonna come.

00:13:33.000 That's huge.

00:13:34.000 That guy is one of the most effective organizers.

00:13:38.000 Absolutely.

00:13:39.000 I think that's a good step.

00:13:40.000 I think it's a really good step.

00:13:41.000 I think it's inspirational.

00:13:42.000 I mean, Scott's young, and he's really boots on the ground.

00:13:45.000 He's involved, and he's extremely passionate.

00:13:47.000 This is the kind of thing that I think young conservatives are really looking for in the party.

00:13:50.000 They want someone who wants to take action, do something, and is sort of relentless.

00:13:56.000 I mean, that's the thing you can say about him.

00:13:57.000 He just will not stop, and they need that kind of energy right now.

00:14:02.000 I think there's a lot of hope that you see people like that, shows like this.

00:14:06.000 The truth is, you're not going to get from the legacy media or the establishment Republicans like Mitch McConnell.

00:14:11.000 They don't care.

00:14:12.000 They don't care that this is happening to Trump because they look at Trump as their enemy.

00:14:17.000 The people in charge of a losing party then lose their position in a winning party.

00:14:22.000 They don't want that.

00:14:23.000 And so it's up to average people, regular people that are empowered by social media and other places, to show the American people how bad this double standard is and how corrupt it is and how it is actual election interference.

00:14:35.000 And I see hope when you see people like Scott Pressler being put forward, when you see that the mainstream media is losing their legitimacy, when you see that Trump's poll numbers are going up, In large part because people are like, even if I don't care for the man individually, we can't stand for this two tier system.

00:14:49.000 And I will see what happens.

00:14:51.000 The corruption is going to be insane.

00:14:52.000 I think we've got cultural problems in this country between these cultish individuals who don't care what's right or wrong.

00:15:02.000 They just hate Trump.

00:15:04.000 And so They're gonna march in lockstep no matter what happens.

00:15:08.000 There's not gonna be a point where someone says, you know what, this two-tiered system is bad, we shouldn't allow it.

00:15:11.000 No, no, now if Trump ends up winning, and then Trump says, I think we should enforce the law, they're gonna claim it's a two-tiered system and he's targeting us, help, help.

00:15:21.000 I mean, we talked about it a little this morning.

00:15:22.000 Just take this one little example.

00:15:24.000 Ari Melber of, I think, MSNBC, right?

00:15:26.000 He comes out when Elon was talking about buying X. And he says, can you imagine if Elon Musk bought this?

00:15:32.000 What if he censored a Democratic candidate?

00:15:35.000 What if they shadow banned Democratic arguments?

00:15:37.000 They literally, they're so entitled.

00:15:40.000 They weren't worried that Elon was going to come along and do to them what they did to us.

00:15:44.000 They were worried that he would just stop them doing it.

00:15:47.000 And so they put these hypotheticals out there like, wouldn't it be terrible if Trump did to us what we're doing to him and his supporters?

00:15:54.000 And I'm sorry, I can't stomach the double standard and hypocrisy from these people anymore.

00:15:59.000 If any one of us here at this table, if we were on a jury, it wouldn't matter if we liked or dis- Grab the mic.

00:16:03.000 Pull the mic up.

00:16:04.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:16:05.000 It wouldn't matter if we liked or disliked the person.

00:16:07.000 We would try our best to be fair.

00:16:09.000 These left-wing people believe they are morally superior to us to the point where they don't care.

00:16:14.000 Show me the person and I'll show you the crime.

00:16:16.000 And so they, every one of us know in every left-wing area, they will convict Trump of anything. 0.72

00:16:21.000 Facts be damned. 0.88

00:16:21.000 They don't care. 0.88

00:16:23.000 And how can you live in a society where we say, hey, we want to be fair to you. 1.00

00:16:26.000 We might think you're stupid. 1.00

00:16:27.000 We might disagree, but we wouldn't want to lock you up. 1.00

00:16:31.000 28% of people in a YouGov poll in, I think, 2022, 28% of Democrats polled said they wanted to take your children away if you refuse the vaccine.

00:16:40.000 How do you live side by side with people that want to do the most heinous thing imaginable?

00:16:44.000 Well, Republicans have no counter.

00:16:46.000 At all.

00:16:46.000 We talked about this this morning as well, but it's here.

00:16:48.000 There's no U.S. 0.99

00:16:52.000 attorneys.

00:16:53.000 There's no district attorneys.

00:16:54.000 There's no Republicans in any state.

00:16:55.000 There's no governors.

00:16:56.000 There's no AGs.

00:16:58.000 Let me pause.

00:16:59.000 Obviously, Ken Paxton has some stuff going on.

00:17:02.000 So, you know, how about that?

00:17:04.000 But even Ron DeSantis is not really doing that much.

00:17:07.000 And really what it comes down to is these district attorneys.

00:17:10.000 Fannie Willis is a Fulton County.

00:17:12.000 She's a She's a county DA. 1.00

00:17:15.000 She's a prosecutor. 0.98

00:17:16.000 She's a district attorney. 0.75

00:17:19.000 She is not a governor.

00:17:20.000 She is not a senator.

00:17:21.000 She is not a high-powered federal official. 0.56

00:17:24.000 She is not even a sheriff.

00:17:27.000 Like Greg.

00:17:28.000 and leticia james now she's state but then you've got brag where is a single bumpkinville prosecutor to be like well gee i guess i'll charge joe biden with racketeering i don't understand and then he files the charges and they go sir you you represent a county of like three three thousand people well that's the law That's not even happening?

00:17:50.000 I don't understand that either.

00:17:51.000 File a paper, send it in.

00:17:53.000 Nope, they won't do it.

00:17:53.000 Yeah, that's something Charlie Kirk was talking about a while back.

00:17:55.000 He was like, let's sue Biden.

00:17:58.000 Sue?

00:17:58.000 Criminally charge him?

00:17:59.000 Yeah, I mean, Ken Paxson, you're right, is suing the Biden administration for a lot of stuff, but it's very Texas and border localized, which is super important.

00:18:07.000 How about this?

00:18:10.000 Joe Biden, where was he when he had the conversation with his ghostwriter?

00:18:14.000 Do we know?

00:18:17.000 Was it in Delaware?

00:18:17.000 I think it was in Delaware.

00:18:19.000 So Delaware, he's protected because ain't no Delaware person gonna go after him.

00:18:22.000 But hold on, hold on.

00:18:23.000 Joe Biden lied.

00:18:25.000 He said at a meeting that he did not tell his ghostwriter that, you know, he did not tell him any classified information.

00:18:35.000 Okay.

00:18:36.000 How about we start here?

00:18:37.000 I'm sure there's a lot of better things you can do, but Joe Biden, the Democrat, they fundraise.

00:18:42.000 Joe Biden's campaign fundraises.

00:18:44.000 So if he lies and is fundraising, fraud.

00:18:47.000 Fraud charge.

00:18:49.000 Fraudulent.

00:18:50.000 He is lying to people in exchange for money.

00:18:51.000 That's fraud in your district.

00:18:53.000 They're going after Trump on the same documents charges that Hillary, Biden, and Obama, Clinton, everyone should have faced.

00:19:01.000 None of them should have been charged for this.

00:19:02.000 And Medicaid says, look, nobody should be charged for these things.

00:19:04.000 But they're going after him because they're trying to find anything they can.

00:19:07.000 Why are there no Republicans simply saying, if you accepted any amount of money in my state, and you lied, and he did, and come on, Then, I'm sorry, you're facing criminal charges for fraud.

00:19:20.000 We're going to investigate you.

00:19:21.000 How about the solicitation of donations from Kamala Harris for the terrorists during the George Floyd riots?

00:19:28.000 Yeah, the Minnesota Bail Fund.

00:19:29.000 I mean, there you go.

00:19:30.000 That's material support for terrorism.

00:19:32.000 That is a clear example of, quote, engaging in an insurrection, which is what the Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says that they tried to keep.

00:19:38.000 Now here's the best part.

00:19:40.000 We know for a fact that in all across this country, every single state had some kind of right or another.

00:19:47.000 So if you're in a conservative state or Republican state, you need to contact the local... Let me put it this way.

00:19:53.000 If you know that far leftists, BLM, which is an organization, They rioted in your town, or somewhere in your state, you should be calling your D.N.

00:20:04.000 asking why they are not going after Kamala Harris for providing material support to terrorists.

00:20:09.000 Kamala Harris directly posted, bail fund, let's raise money for these people. 0.99

00:20:14.000 So she's raising money for a group that engaged in acts of domestic terrorism, and now you may be saying, come on, it's BLM riots, you're calling it domestic terrorism?

00:20:22.000 That's the point.

00:20:23.000 Trump didn't engage in insurrection.

00:20:25.000 How many states went after him for this?

00:20:27.000 The point is, we talked about it this morning, the Republicans aren't fighting fire with water.

00:20:33.000 They're not fighting fire with fire.

00:20:35.000 I'm like, I will take wheat flour.

00:20:38.000 Unbleached wheat flour!

00:20:39.000 Throw anything on the flames to make it stop!

00:20:41.000 Well, that's one of the great things.

00:20:41.000 They won't do it.

00:20:42.000 I think it was a really good move putting Laura Trump in the RNC chair.

00:20:46.000 She came in, right?

00:20:48.000 She fired a bunch of people, just like her father-in-law would have, which I think is, you know, really, I think that is a little bit fire bringing in Scott Pressler, who has a proven track record of voter registration and getting votes out for the GOP.

00:21:01.000 So, I think that we might really start to see a different tack from the RNC, and it's really quite about time.

00:21:08.000 This is an RNC now with Laura Trump in charge that is interested in winning, and I think is going to make that happen.

00:21:13.000 Let's jump to something that affects everyday Americans.

00:21:16.000 Politics can be a bit esoteric, but we have this story.

00:21:19.000 Boeing United Airlines flight lands in Oregon after losing a panel midair.

00:21:24.000 The latest in a lengthy list.

00:21:27.000 of safety incidents for the embattled plane company.

00:21:29.000 Here we go, here's another one from Business Insider.

00:21:31.000 The sudden drop of a Boeing 787 that injured 50 people may have been caused by a flight attendant accidentally hitting a switch in the cockpit, report says.

00:21:40.000 I just want to ask, how does a flight attendant accidentally hit a switch in the cockpit?

00:21:44.000 Isn't she not supposed to be in the cockpit? 1.00

00:21:45.000 What is she doing in there? 0.65

00:21:47.000 Right?

00:21:47.000 Aren't they supposed to lock those doors?

00:21:49.000 I don't want to imply impropriety here.

00:21:51.000 Should we just bring them coffee?

00:21:52.000 I think we should.

00:21:52.000 Let's all assume the best thing.

00:21:53.000 She implied impropriety.

00:21:54.000 You know, she was, she was, she dropped something, was reaching down to pick it up,

00:21:58.000 and then she went up and she realized she didn't, she missed, and she had to go back down again.

00:22:01.000 Oh.

00:22:02.000 And then on the way up, she hit her head on the...

00:22:04.000 That's right, and then she hit her head on the controls.

00:22:06.000 I'm kidding, by the way.

00:22:06.000 She's just hanging out.

00:22:07.000 She may have just been bringing in coffee. 1.00

00:22:07.000 What are you guys doing? 1.00

00:22:08.000 That's actually very plausible, to be honest.

00:22:10.000 I mean, I don't see how you accidentally hit a switch.

00:22:13.000 I mean, there's switches all over on those cockpits that you wonder how they even, like, keep flying.

00:22:17.000 Or what if it's, like, the Alaska Airlines guy who was, like... I guess you could fall.

00:22:21.000 Turbulence, you could fall. 0.99

00:22:22.000 Your butt hits a bunch of switches. 0.97

00:22:23.000 There could be an accident. 0.53

00:22:25.000 But what if it's, like, the Alaska Airlines guy who was, like, riding whatever, the jump seat, and then he all of a sudden was like, I can't do this, ripped his headphones off, and, like, pulled... Do you remember this story from a little while ago?

00:22:34.000 Yeah, the Alaska Airlines guy... They got out of drugs?

00:22:36.000 Uh, he said he hadn't taken drugs in several hours.

00:22:39.000 He was just having a hard time and hadn't been sleeping.

00:22:42.000 He was the one charged with, um, attempted murder.

00:22:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:44.000 I thought he was on shrinkage.

00:22:45.000 He was, uh, three days before.

00:22:47.000 I don't know how long it lasts.

00:22:48.000 But, I mean, you know what I think is going to be really trendy this year?

00:22:51.000 The road trip.

00:22:52.000 I feel like that's really making a comeback.

00:22:55.000 Uh, break out all of your memetic architecture and your fun billboards.

00:22:59.000 We're not getting on planes this year.

00:23:00.000 I have been, like, I have to travel a lot and I keep being like, how, how far a drive is that?

00:23:05.000 I do love my car.

00:23:06.000 I did that recently, because it's like when you have to go to the airport, and then you're at the airport, and then you have to go away from the airport.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, you've got to factor in that time.

00:23:12.000 You've got to factor in the sitting around time.

00:23:14.000 Depending on the flight length, you could do a six-hour road trip in the same amount of time it would take you to fly somewhere.

00:23:14.000 Right, right.

00:23:19.000 I just drove nine hours the other day.

00:23:21.000 I was like, it's totally fine.

00:23:22.000 So my questions on this are, one, does anyone here know, because anecdotally this does seem like it's happening a lot more, but does anyone know statistically how much more frequently this is happening, and two, I don't think there's yet to be a death, right?

00:23:36.000 Like, there was that one where the exit door flew off, but no one flew out with the door.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, but that was only because the guy was wearing his seatbelt.

00:23:41.000 Yeah.

00:23:41.000 And the two people who were supposed to sit there didn't get on the plane.

00:23:43.000 No, it's crazy.

00:23:43.000 I mean, yeah, I normally don't wear my seatbelt, and when I sit in an exit row now, I do wear it.

00:23:46.000 Oh, I wear my seatbelt all the time.

00:23:48.000 50 people got hurt when this plane dropped suddenly and they all slammed into the ceiling.

00:23:52.000 That's messed up.

00:23:53.000 Right.

00:23:54.000 And then, I mean, it comes, like, what do we think of the causes?

00:23:56.000 I mean, I'm a libertarian, so I think the causes are probably, like, The FAA is outliving its usefulness, and probably things are becoming too calcified.

00:24:05.000 DEI.

00:24:06.000 There's also DEI.

00:24:08.000 You know who we should ask?

00:24:09.000 The Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, who definitely knows what's going on.

00:24:13.000 Can you imagine you're on this flight, right, and Buttigieg is on there, and you're like, oh my goodness, the stewardess hit that switch and we're all falling, and he'd be like, um, flight attendant, please.

00:24:21.000 We don't use the term stewardess anymore.

00:24:23.000 I mean, at what point As in general, we don't know specifically what caused each of these, but when we live in a society that no longer rewards competence, and instead we reward sort of victimhood culture, these things are inevitable over time.

00:24:39.000 You're going to see bridges collapse.

00:24:41.000 You're going to see public transportation wrecks.

00:24:43.000 You're going to see airplanes falling apart.

00:24:46.000 We are being told that those are sacrifices.

00:24:48.000 You, the average American, we have to sacrifice your safety.

00:24:51.000 Why?

00:24:52.000 Because it's important that we virtue signal.

00:24:54.000 I find it to be one of the most racist, bigoted things imaginable.

00:24:57.000 I think that we should reward any— I don't think people are inferior based on their sex or their race.

00:25:02.000 I think we should reward people that are the best for the job, the most competent.

00:25:05.000 But no, we're instead told that we have to have this racist mentality, that, oh, we have to promote certain categories of people.

00:25:11.000 And again, I can't point to this incident or others at Boeing, but you see what Boeing's leadership's doing.

00:25:16.000 You see how invested they are in DEI.

00:25:18.000 Why don't you take a couple days and make sure your planes are safe before lecturing us about what pronouns we need to use?

00:25:23.000 So I agree that DEI is probably playing a role in this, but also, like, let's think back to when we, in the 90s, when we were all kids and we flew on planes and how the experience was almost identical, except you didn't have a TV in the back of the headset.

00:25:34.000 To me, I look at it- You don't anymore.

00:25:37.000 Well, yeah, sometimes you don't even have it.

00:25:38.000 No, no, no, they're all gone.

00:25:40.000 Those don't exist anymore?

00:25:41.000 Yeah, now you have hooks for your phones.

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 Okay.

00:25:45.000 I think they've got both, but the point is like... Depends on your plane.

00:25:48.000 Right, but the point is like this industry has not innovated in like 30 years.

00:25:54.000 So is it surprising that it's like slowly falling apart?

00:25:57.000 I mean we're still like...

00:26:00.000 There's not a free market in airlines, so it's no surprise that the quality is going down.

00:26:03.000 And part of the quality going down is, sadly, like, the literal integrity and safety of, you know, the planes and the people who run them.

00:26:11.000 Well, yeah, hyper-consolidation.

00:26:13.000 So, really, it's capitalism's fault.

00:26:15.000 All the airlines started getting bought out by each other, and now there's, like, three.

00:26:19.000 Right, but the airlines are getting multi-billion dollar bailouts for, you know, when they're not even producing a product, and the barrier to entry is near impossible.

00:26:27.000 Well, we're in Atlanta.

00:26:28.000 I actually... We did end up with a new airline a couple years ago, yeah.

00:26:31.000 Thanks to Richard Branson, and then someone else bought them years ago.

00:26:34.000 That was like, what, 15, 20 years ago, something like that.

00:26:37.000 Yeah, I'm not serious that I think capitalism is the problem, but I do think monopolization and centralization is the problem.

00:26:42.000 When all these airlines buy each other out, there's no competition.

00:26:46.000 So now it's like, in the United States, you have two choices.

00:26:47.000 You have United and American.

00:26:49.000 Sure, there's budget airlines and, you know.

00:26:51.000 But wouldn't you argue that monopolization is a result of FAA making a huge barrier to entry?

00:26:57.000 Also, I mean, it's hard to get permitting if you wanted to make a new airport to get a new route going, you know.

00:27:03.000 It's both.

00:27:04.000 And then flooding the industry with cash so they can buy each other out.

00:27:07.000 Nothing made these companies buy each other.

00:27:09.000 And actually, they deregulated in the mid to late 2000s, I think.

00:27:14.000 Or when was the deregulation?

00:27:16.000 Wages used to be way higher for airline workers, and then the government, because it was regulated, the airlines had to pay a certain amount.

00:27:23.000 And then, I don't know exactly what happened, but I used to work at O'Hare as an acting crew chief.

00:27:29.000 So a little bit above a ramp agent, but still basically, you know, periodically in charge of the people who are loading planes, sometimes loading planes myself.

00:27:36.000 Crew chiefs are the ones who are in charge of the room and they tell people to load planes.

00:27:39.000 If you're acting, it's like halfway there.

00:27:42.000 You step in when someone's sick.

00:27:44.000 But they were saying that before the deregulation, which I don't know exactly when that happened, people were getting like the equivalent of, you know, $50,000, $60,000 a year.

00:27:52.000 And then once the government said, okay, you're now allowed to pay these people whatever you want, we're going to step out of it.

00:27:58.000 Skill levels dropped dramatically.

00:28:01.000 Service dropped dramatically.

00:28:02.000 Wages dropped dramatically.

00:28:04.000 It used to be that they were going to hire someone to load a plane and they were going to pay them $60,000-$70,000 a year, so you were getting high quality candidates that had to pass scrutiny.

00:28:13.000 The government then said, Okay, we've been lobbied.

00:28:16.000 We're going to get rid of this.

00:28:17.000 Hire whoever you want.

00:28:18.000 They immediately then said, this is a $7 an hour job and we'll take anyone who can do it.

00:28:24.000 And then you ended up with something that's not better.

00:28:28.000 Fair enough.

00:28:28.000 I mean, so you're kind of arguing.

00:28:29.000 I mean, I don't know airline regulation to even make the argument.

00:28:32.000 I just know from going to the TSA and dealing with planes where you have to put the tray up before you land and take off, which seems ridiculous.

00:28:40.000 That's because of emergency exits and stuff.

00:28:42.000 Right, I know, but the fact that, like, the fact that there's also, I mean, the fact that seats are still, like, you know, straight up, there's not, there's not an airline with, like, beds or couches and things like, there's, there's no diversity in the market.

00:28:55.000 I gotta stop you here.

00:28:55.000 Hold on.

00:28:56.000 Let me just make the point, though.

00:28:57.000 So I agree, like, I don't know a bunch about airline regulation.

00:29:00.000 My point is that I can tell by using it.

00:29:02.000 And you're wrong.

00:29:03.000 That it's one of the most heavily regulated industries in the world.

00:29:05.000 But you're wrong about what's going on with the inside of planes and why planes are the way they are.

00:29:10.000 The airline industry has actually tried and attempted to change the way boarding works, the way seating works, and passengers reject it, and they lose money, so they stop.

00:29:21.000 You're telling me you wouldn't fly- like if you could do a bed in coach, I don't care how- How do you do a bed in coach?

00:29:27.000 Will you crowd them and you stack them together more closely and you let- They're doing interlaced ones, where the seats are above you- Like that herringbone style?

00:29:37.000 I don't know how you describe it, but instead of having seats just like this, they're like that.

00:29:41.000 So now you spread out the seats a little bit and put one right in the middle and it's solid.

00:29:47.000 So you're sitting and you can actually, everyone gets way more leg room.

00:29:50.000 So if you're in the elevated seat, you have more room and I don't know.

00:29:56.000 They are certainly trying those innovations.

00:29:58.000 But having worked for American Airlines, I worked for their regional, American Eagle, for those that are familiar, the smaller jets, CRJs and Embraers.

00:30:09.000 We always would ask.

00:30:11.000 And like, we'd directly talk to the people who run the company.

00:30:13.000 Not like the executives, but like, Ed O'Hare at least, supervisors and the higher ups. 1.00

00:30:18.000 Why is boarding so stupid? 1.00

00:30:20.000 Why does it take so long? 1.00

00:30:21.000 People would ask us, what happens with our bags?

00:30:23.000 And I'm like, well, like, dude, people need to understand.

00:30:26.000 You'll get a viral video where it's like a guy outside throwing the bag.

00:30:30.000 He'll pick it up and just chuck it in.

00:30:32.000 And they're going, whoa, what's he doing with my bag?

00:30:34.000 It's like, he's giving you $15 service.

00:30:37.000 You don't want to pay money for your bags, so that guy gets paid $9 an hour, and when they fire him, they can only get another guy who gets paid $9 an hour, and they don't care about your bag.

00:30:46.000 And for $9 an hour, they will kick your bag, if you want to pay more.

00:30:50.000 They might not just not care about your bag, they might hate your bag. 0.96

00:30:54.000 I hate you. 0.99

00:30:55.000 I will tell you. 0.99

00:30:56.000 That's how I would feel.

00:30:57.000 There were a lot of people in the bag room.

00:30:59.000 So the bag room is where you sit in a chair and there's a conveyor belt.

00:31:02.000 And all the bags are going across and everyone has a zone.

00:31:06.000 Behind them they'll have two or three bag carts and it'll say above it something like

00:31:12.000 No, no, it wouldn't say O.R.D.

00:31:13.000 because you're at O.R.D., but it would say, um, you know, uh, C.I.T., C.V.G., or whatever.

00:31:20.000 Those are your cities.

00:31:21.000 If you see it bad with that city, grab it, load it on the cart.

00:31:24.000 Those are yours.

00:31:26.000 This one goes out twice a day, this one goes out twice a day, that one goes out once a day.

00:31:29.000 Right.

00:31:30.000 And there were guys in the bag room who would sit there, and they'd see a big bag that weighs 50 pounds, and so what they would do is, as it's coming on the conveyor belt, they put one arm on it, and then they spin to generate centripetal force, and then, boom, throw it, ka-doom, into the cart, and then sit back down, because they were getting paid $9.75 an hour.

00:31:50.000 When we'd ask, like, hey, how come they don't pay more, it's like, So, in order to actually be profitable, coach seats aren't actually that profitable.

00:31:59.000 Business and premium economy are where they make most of their money.

00:32:01.000 First class is, I think, actually relatively low profitability, and coach is moderate, but business and premium are where the bulk of profit is generated.

00:32:12.000 So there's a reason why we charge money for For having your bags checked.

00:32:18.000 We gotta pay the bag checkers, right?

00:32:19.000 Well, we can afford to pay them this.

00:32:21.000 And then people make the argument, well, they're making all this profit, they're making billions in profit.

00:32:24.000 The point is, certainly you can argue they can shave off their profits for their shareholders, but then there's fiduciary responsibility of the company to make sure they get a return to their shareholders where they can, which means they're always looking at ways to cut costs.

00:32:35.000 Then, here's what ends up happening.

00:32:38.000 One of the easiest examples of the inefficiency of airlines is it would actually be more efficient if an airline just said, boarding has now begun, have fun, and let everyone just randomly storm in.

00:32:49.000 That's more efficient than the way all the airlines do it now.

00:32:52.000 Southwest is a different system where it's like you line up from like a row number or something and you choose whatever seat you get to.

00:32:58.000 You have like a criteria or something.

00:33:01.000 The way we board now is based on customer request.

00:33:05.000 People don't want to board without their family and friends.

00:33:09.000 So if we set up a more efficient system where it was like all window seats board, then all middle seats board, then all aisle seats board, that would be the fastest way to do it.

00:33:16.000 But that would mean that husbands and wives would be split up. 0.97

00:33:19.000 Parents and their kids would be split up, and they all reject it outright.

00:33:22.000 They're unwilling to accept these changes, and that's why everything is the way it is, because this is the highest return for the business over the past 70 years or whatever.

00:33:30.000 Right, so those things are fine.

00:33:31.000 I didn't mean to, like, start this deep dive into the airline industry.

00:33:35.000 Like, I'm not talking about the logistics of bags and boarding process.

00:33:38.000 I just mean, I'm a bit surprised that, like, the interior of planes and the experience is roughly the same as it was in the 1990s.

00:33:44.000 Because people don't want it! 0.79

00:33:47.000 I mean, I want it.

00:33:50.000 The experience in terms of the quality has not changed.

00:33:52.000 They got rid of the quality of the seats, the quality of the planes, too.

00:33:55.000 People don't want it.

00:33:57.000 The reason why budget airlines are becoming so prominent and getting so much attention now is because people are like, dude, I will stand up if you give me a flight for 50 bucks.

00:34:04.000 That was what the Ryanair guy said.

00:34:06.000 Remember that?

00:34:07.000 The budget airline in Europe, he was like, everyone was like, he wants people to stand on the plane.

00:34:11.000 And he was like, look, if you look at it, some of our flights are like 45 minutes.

00:34:14.000 You're just literally jumping to the next country.

00:34:16.000 You could stand for about that long on a bus sometime.

00:34:19.000 Why not?

00:34:20.000 On Amtrak too, like I used to take the train from New York City to Philadelphia a lot.

00:34:25.000 And I would stand the whole time if there were no seats, like whatever.

00:34:28.000 And even more if you take the, if you take New Jersey Transit to the, Uh, SEPTA in Philly, like you could do like that, and if that's crowded, just stand, but you're paying 15 bucks to get that whole way.

00:34:38.000 But let me just ask you, Liam, uh, just, why don't you fly first class?

00:34:42.000 Well, I mean, because first class is absurdly expensive.

00:34:44.000 I mean, I don't think that the sorts of things I'm talking about, and again, like a lot of this is just kind of speculation, I don't think the sorts of things I'm talking about would be as expensive as first class.

00:34:54.000 I think you could pack, layer people into an airplane with beds where couples lay together, very, I'm talking very tight, like it'd be a little claustrophobic, but at least you could lay down so you're not sitting up straight for the whole flight.

00:35:05.000 I think you could do that for much cheaper than first class.

00:35:07.000 It might be a little more expensive than coaches now, particularly on like Allegiant and the budget airlines, which I love for short term flights.

00:35:13.000 I'm talking more about business class, premium economy.

00:35:17.000 Yeah, I mean, they are absurdly expensive, I think, for how much... I guess the idea you're presenting is they should create another class... No, there should be just competition in the market, and you're saying there's no competition because it hasn't... people don't want it.

00:35:32.000 My assumption is, because I just look at how regulated the industry is, where everyone gives you the same spiel before you sit down.

00:35:37.000 There's these, you know, industry-wide regulations of, like, you know, the trade tables and things like that.

00:35:44.000 I see, and it makes sense because they're airplanes.

00:35:46.000 Right, but the tray tables thing I don't think is a good example. 1.00

00:35:48.000 I know, they're kind of stupid. 0.99

00:35:50.000 I definitely don't want to lay down next to other people on an airplane. 1.00

00:35:53.000 No, no, I'm talking, no, no, yeah, you wouldn't lay down next to other people unless you're, you know, a spouse or something.

00:35:58.000 Even then, I don't... But you can't control that because some people fly by themselves.

00:36:01.000 No, I know, and then you'd end up paying a bit more.

00:36:04.000 Then you'd meet people in a really interesting way.

00:36:07.000 To my point, this bed-and-coach idea, this is actually being done right now.

00:36:12.000 I don't know when it'll come to fruition, but this is the actual thing.

00:36:15.000 They're doing the interlaced seating, so you can actually lay underneath the seat that's in front of you.

00:36:21.000 Okay, so that's a similar kind of thing.

00:36:23.000 Exactly.

00:36:23.000 But everyone made fun of it, insulted it, and people have basically mocked the concept because... Well, has it come to market yet, though?

00:36:30.000 I don't know if it's come to market.

00:36:31.000 I think it was... Okay, well, let's see when it does.

00:36:33.000 I mean, I'm just saying... Here's the main issue.

00:36:36.000 You would agree it's one of the most heavily regulated industries, right?

00:36:39.000 It should be.

00:36:39.000 I mean, you're taking human beings into the sky in a tin can.

00:36:43.000 To start an airline is already such a high capital that you make, you know, it's such a barrier to entry.

00:36:49.000 I don't think it should be that regulated, actually.

00:36:50.000 I think, like, You know, I think the regulation is part of the reason we have planes falling apart now because government, you know, bureaucracies.

00:36:58.000 Yeah, but I think it's bureaucracy and DEI.

00:37:01.000 Right, I think it's both too.

00:37:02.000 No, I agree with you.

00:37:03.000 The issue with the airline industry is, or with any industry, too many people.

00:37:09.000 You don't matter.

00:37:11.000 If there were a thousand customers to a business, your say is massive.

00:37:16.000 As a single customer, they're gonna be like, we can't afford to lose even one.

00:37:20.000 But with hundreds of millions flying, like every month, all they're gonna do is they're gonna say, hey look, 60% of people will literally sit on a mop bucket if it saves them money.

00:37:31.000 We are not going to spend $50 million retrofitting our planes with bed seats.

00:37:36.000 It's inelastic demand because people have to travel.

00:37:41.000 The way I solve this problem is I'm just like a redneck that never leaves rural Pennsylvania and then no problem, you know?

00:37:47.000 Wait, one counterpoint I just thought of, because you mentioned Virgin America.

00:37:49.000 If everyone remembers when Virgin America first came to market, it actually was a way better experience than the rest of them.

00:37:55.000 And then I think it's been since been bought out by another company.

00:37:57.000 Now it's, you know... My favorite thing about Virgin was when I first flew on Virgin Airlines, the safety video said, make sure you're wearing your seatbelt when the light comes on.

00:38:08.000 If you don't know how to put on a seatbelt, something is seriously wrong with you.

00:38:11.000 And they didn't explain it!

00:38:13.000 I was like, wow.

00:38:15.000 That's a bold move for your insurance company to accept.

00:38:18.000 That's like when people stopped saying, leave a message after the beep, you know, on voicemail.

00:38:24.000 Does anyone have voicemail?

00:38:26.000 Yeah, no, nobody has.

00:38:27.000 Has voicemail?

00:38:28.000 No, you know, do you guys remember?

00:38:31.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:38:32.000 It used to be, yeah, answering machines, leave a message after the beep.

00:38:35.000 Oh, right, but everyone just knows how to... Now people know how to operate voicemail.

00:38:39.000 Yeah.

00:38:40.000 They know to leave a message.

00:38:41.000 You know what the worst thing in the world is?

00:38:42.000 People who have voicemails where they're like, hello?

00:38:45.000 Oh, I hate that also.

00:38:46.000 I can't hear you.

00:38:48.000 I'm just kidding!

00:38:49.000 It's a voicemail!

00:38:50.000 I'm like, hang up.

00:38:51.000 Yeah, you're not funny leaving a... I just don't leave a... ever leave a voicemail.

00:38:57.000 Let's get into conspiracy theories.

00:38:58.000 My mom's the only one who leaves me voicemails.

00:38:59.000 Here we go!

00:39:00.000 Now, there's a reason why we brought up Boeing.

00:39:01.000 Because as we're dealing with planes dropping from the sky, it didn't crash, but...

00:39:07.000 And people getting injured.

00:39:08.000 And now I think there's been like, well, like five Boeing stories in the past week.

00:39:12.000 Not to mention, before this, you had the corporate press insulting conservative commentators for warning that DEI and airlines was going to result in plane crashes. 0.91

00:39:20.000 They're like, oh, these people are crazy.

00:39:22.000 Now you've got a Boeing whistleblower. 0.98

00:39:25.000 They say committed suicide.

00:39:27.000 Here's from Jalopnik, which is not- this is a leftist obsessed with the culture of cars.

00:39:31.000 They say, quote, it's not suicide.

00:39:33.000 Boeing whistleblower warned friend before death.

00:39:36.000 A family friend of Boeing whistleblower John Barnett says he warned her not to believe reports of suicide.

00:39:40.000 That proves it!

00:39:42.000 Well, wasn't he in the middle of giving, like, he went to court, gave testimony, went to his hotel room, yeah, and then was like, nope, can't go any further.

00:39:50.000 Like, that seems very bizarre to me.

00:39:53.000 I agree.

00:39:54.000 And especially since, and he's been on this whistleblower kick since he left Boeing in 2017, and in 2018, 2019.

00:40:02.000 We had huge plane crashes in like Indonesia and Egypt, you know, it was like hundreds and hundreds of people died.

00:40:09.000 They said that it was because of faulty, like I forget what it was, but there was like faulty parts and there was like stuff left on board that shouldn't have been there.

00:40:18.000 And so if he's been on this kick that whole time, like why now in the middle of a deposition would he?

00:40:24.000 Would he shoot himself?

00:40:25.000 Well, the question is, is it a Vince Foster suicide where he shoots himself twice in the back of the head?

00:40:31.000 Or an Epstein one where the cameras malfunction while guards fall asleep?

00:40:35.000 I used to live in Berridge, Brooklyn, and there was a pharmacy, right?

00:40:41.000 And the owner of the pharmacy was found dead in his office of apparent suicide, two shots to the head.

00:40:47.000 And police were like, yeah, it's a suicide.

00:40:49.000 And I'm like, yeah, okay, for sure.

00:40:50.000 Now hold on, to be fair, it is entirely possible that someone shoots themselves twice in the head. 0.84

00:40:55.000 Immediately.

00:40:56.000 You're laughing?

00:40:57.000 So some people often, they'll take the gun and they'll put it under their chin.

00:41:01.000 And when they pull the trigger, the bullet ejects through their mouth and straight up.

00:41:04.000 Oh, and so that is a gunshot wound to the head. 0.97

00:41:08.000 And then they'll take it and they'll put it to their temple.

00:41:11.000 Not fun, not good, not okay.

00:41:13.000 Terrible.

00:41:13.000 People need serious help.

00:41:15.000 But I want to make sure people understand context because when the police then put it, like the coroner put in the report, you know, GSW head 2X or something.

00:41:24.000 People go, what?

00:41:25.000 That can't be suicide!

00:41:26.000 And they're like, I think people didn't understand, there are people who have been shot in the head and they survive.

00:41:33.000 Like, all the time.

00:41:35.000 Like in Fight Club, too, at the end of Fight Club. 0.90

00:41:38.000 Well, he put it, he blew it out of his mouth, right, because he was insane.

00:41:43.000 But yes, that was the premise of the ending plot of Fight Club.

00:41:46.000 So I just want to say that, not saying that, you know, who is Gary Webb?

00:41:51.000 Was that his name?

00:41:52.000 In Fight Club?

00:41:52.000 No, no, no.

00:41:53.000 The journalist who was exposing the CIA and then died of a suicide with two gunshot wounds to the head?

00:41:57.000 Yeah.

00:41:58.000 You know, I'm still going to lean towards, yeah, he was probably killed.

00:42:00.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:42:01.000 I say this about conspiracy theories in general, whether it be suicides, what have.

00:42:06.000 It's not our fault that we're distrusting.

00:42:07.000 With the legal system as bad as it is, where, you know, remember we talked this morning about the whistleblower who can't be named, you know, that went after Trump, right?

00:42:15.000 Remember that?

00:42:16.000 Remember when whistleblowers were, like, sacrosanct and they were heroes?

00:42:19.000 And then you had whistleblowers that came out and said, hey, the Biden administration and the FBI under Chris Wray's targeting us because they wanted us to go after- we spoke up about going after parents at school board meetings.

00:42:27.000 Or the IRS whistleblowers.

00:42:29.000 We wanted to look into Hunter Biden stuff.

00:42:31.000 Like, now all of a sudden whistleblowers, ah, we don't believe them. 1.00

00:42:34.000 They're garbage. 1.00

00:42:34.000 They're trash. 1.00

00:42:35.000 So when you have these sort of lies that are constantly told to you in this two-tiered system, you can't help but be skeptical. 0.99

00:42:41.000 For all we know, this gentleman unfortunately did take his own life.

00:42:44.000 I don't know the specifics of it, but you can't help but be skeptical when powerful corporations that are like cutting corners, all of a sudden when someone's going to try to hold them to account, oh, it just so happened at the zero hour, you know, that he took his own life.

00:42:57.000 I don't believe for a second that he killed himself. 1.00

00:42:59.000 And the funny thing is, journalists are just the stupidest people in the world. 1.00

00:43:04.000 Because they're always like, you're about to be a conspiracy theorist. 1.00

00:43:07.000 And I'm like, if the argument is a guy was blowing the whistle on Boeing and in the middle of blowing the whistle and providing testimony, and then was found dead after warning a family friend that he would never kill himself.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, that's called fishy.

00:43:20.000 And if you lack the cognitive function, To ask questions, it must be very difficult for you to put on your shoes.

00:43:26.000 Did he warn a family friend, or is that him?

00:43:29.000 Did he go on the news and say that, and then... No, it was a family friend he told him.

00:43:33.000 Oh, okay, okay.

00:43:34.000 No, and your point about journalists is great, because, like, conspiracy theorists, if you think about whether they're true or not, are almost always the most interesting stories or potential stories.

00:43:44.000 So if you are a journalist and you're cocking around, like, poo-pooing, and using the term conspiracy theory as a slander, As a journalist, your job is to basically investigate every conspiracy theory that comes to your desk and determine whether it's true or not.

00:43:56.000 You don't just, like, throw it out, you know, throw it out in the trash bin because you're afraid of, you know, being called crazy.

00:44:01.000 That's your job as a journalist is to find out, and those are always the most interesting ones.

00:44:05.000 I remember I was in New York hanging at a bar with a bunch of journalists, and it was, uh, it was like, what, six months after Osama bin Laden had been killed and then dumped from the helicopter or whatever. 0.91

00:44:16.000 And I'm hanging out with these journalists, and they were talking about it, and then I said something like, that whole thing just played out like some stupid action movie, and this one journalist just snapped! 0.94

00:44:27.000 He instantly got super angry, and he went from light conversation to, I'M SO SICK OF YOU CONSPIRACY THEORIES WITH YOUR INSANE ARGUMENTS ABOUT, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET HIM, and I was like, bro, what? 0.98

00:44:36.000 You said his hypnotism word.

00:44:38.000 I did not say it never happened.

00:44:40.000 I said the story played out like a bad action movie.

00:44:42.000 And he's like, what does that mean?

00:44:44.000 I was like, it means that they did it right in the compound.

00:44:46.000 He grabbed his wife, then they captured him, killed him, and then dumped him out of a helicopter.

00:44:51.000 Like the plot of an... I don't know what you want me to say.

00:44:53.000 I said the thing played out like a bad action movie.

00:44:55.000 I didn't say it didn't happen!

00:44:57.000 But these people are so anti-do-not-question-the-official-story-of-the-government-they-get-emotionally-charged.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, it is like that, although it didn't used to be that way.

00:45:08.000 I think a lot of that came into being with Obama because everyone had, like, such a huge heart on for him that they just were like, oh, the government must be trustworthy now because our guy is in there.

00:45:17.000 So now the government is trustworthy.

00:45:18.000 And then under the Trump, they freaked out.

00:45:20.000 And then under Biden, they're back to total complicity.

00:45:23.000 It is wild to me that Obama was the one that they were like, this guy is trustworthy.

00:45:27.000 We should definitely trust everything he says.

00:45:29.000 He doesn't seem like a career politician at all.

00:45:31.000 It's because he barely was one yet.

00:45:35.000 Yeah, his entire career was about politics so far.

00:45:37.000 I think it's an interesting like question of like how did this come about?

00:45:40.000 How did like the media become?

00:45:42.000 And for sure that's one, I mean there's a lot of left-wing people in the media and then they thought Obama was their savior so they didn't want to question him as roughly.

00:45:49.000 Another from just like being in that world and like walking around Capitol Hill and for a brief period, Epoch Times, which is like kind of sort of becoming mainstream conservative media.

00:45:58.000 You realize that one of the most important things to these DC outlets is, like, getting, you know, quote-unquote, access, where it's like, you want to get the interview with Mitt Romney.

00:46:07.000 Yeah, you want them to hit you with an exclusive, for sure.

00:46:10.000 And Mitt Romney is not going to give you an exclusive if you've just done a story about Epstein and his client list.

00:46:16.000 So basically, they kind of, like, organically, you know, or they just kind of, over time, morph themselves into these, like, mouthpieces of the state so that they can It's actually much, much simpler than that.

00:46:28.000 celebrities and things like that. Some of them might actually be like, you know, Operation

00:46:32.000 Mockingbird, which was a real thing. There were congressional hearings on it. So some of it

00:46:35.000 actually might be the state using the outlet. But a lot of it is this organic incentive for the

00:46:40.000 outlet to just cave on its principles so it can get a congressman or a senator to come on the

00:46:45.000 interview. It's actually much, much simpler than that. The people who invest in and run these big

00:46:50.000 companies, they don't go to journalists and say, I want you to report that Joe Biden is of sound

00:46:56.000 mind or else.

00:46:58.000 They don't go to them and say, I need you to report that Joe Biden is of sound mind and we're going to write you a check for 10 grand.

00:47:04.000 They go outside and they go looking for journalists who want to write about Joe Biden being great.

00:47:09.000 You, sir, you want to do it?

00:47:10.000 You're hired.

00:47:11.000 And that's it.

00:47:12.000 That's how they do it.

00:47:12.000 The journalists they bring in, they put out a form saying job opening for a journalist.

00:47:20.000 Then they interview 10 people, and they sit him down, and they say, what do you think about Joe Biden?

00:47:24.000 And one guy goes, well, you know, look, I don't like Trump at all.

00:47:27.000 I wouldn't vote for him, but Biden's not with it.

00:47:29.000 They go, thank you for coming.

00:47:30.000 Next, someone comes in and goes, Joe Biden's so smart.

00:47:33.000 He's the greatest.

00:47:34.000 Can we write about that?

00:47:35.000 You're hired.

00:47:36.000 Right.

00:47:36.000 So you're correct.

00:47:37.000 I think this is more post-hoc, though.

00:47:39.000 This is kind of like what has now happened.

00:47:40.000 I was trying to get at the root of it.

00:47:42.000 And I will say at Epic Times, where it's actually kind of the opposite, if they want to hear your opinion on Biden being negative.

00:47:48.000 But what was like, said in many internal conversations at the Epoch Times is specifically like, certain stories would be shut down because it's like, we don't want to jeopardize this interview that we just got with such-and-such senator, or if you're in the press briefing, we don't want to ask this question that's too aggressive because we want to keep getting called on and we want to keep our relationship with the DOD and things like that.

00:48:09.000 Those conversations absolutely happen.

00:48:10.000 It's called access journalism.

00:48:12.000 Right, correct.

00:48:12.000 The irony is- And it gets the- my point is it also gets the right-wing outlets.

00:48:16.000 The irony of all this is, like, when they say the media holds truth to power, the reality is they bury the truth for the powerful.

00:48:24.000 That's what our journalism has become.

00:48:26.000 And when we see sort of people that are trying to be outside the scope of that, they are attacked.

00:48:30.000 You go to the White House press correspondents, you know, when they're always patting each other on the back saying, we're the fourth estate, we're so important.

00:48:36.000 The irony is they're right.

00:48:38.000 That is how important the media is.

00:48:40.000 It's a shame that our legacy media fails in that.

00:48:42.000 They are propagandists and not journalists.

00:48:44.000 don't hold truth to power, they hold back truth for power.

00:48:47.000 Right. That's exactly what they do.

00:48:48.000 They're also easily manipulated. If you remember the situation with the intelligence community and

00:48:54.000 the Hunter Biden laptop and the lead up to the 2020 election, you had the Biden camp going out,

00:49:00.000 soliciting an intel, a former intel guy and saying, hey, do you think this laptop has

00:49:07.000 the hallmarks of Russian disinformation? And the intelligence guy was like, you know what,

00:49:12.000 it kind of does have hallmarks of that. And the Biden campaign said, why don't you get more people

00:49:16.000 who think that they put together this letter, they got the 51 people to sign off on it.

00:49:20.000 They leaked it to Politico.

00:49:22.000 Politico ran with a headline that they still haven't corrected that said the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.

00:49:28.000 They, you know, changed it around like that.

00:49:31.000 But that didn't take much for the Biden campaign to do that.

00:49:34.000 They just had to reach out to a former intel guy who liked Biden.

00:49:37.000 It was easy.

00:49:37.000 Easy to manipulate the guy.

00:49:39.000 You know what I want to do?

00:49:39.000 I think we should literally do this.

00:49:42.000 Maybe Rasmussen would be down.

00:49:44.000 I would like to poll 3,000 people.

00:49:48.000 I want to do something robust.

00:49:49.000 I'll do 10,000 people.

00:49:50.000 I will pay this bill.

00:49:52.000 I want to know who someone voted for, who they're planning on voting for, and then ask a few other questions.

00:50:01.000 How old are you?

00:50:02.000 Where do you work?

00:50:02.000 What's your income?

00:50:03.000 And the last one is, do you experience inner monologue?

00:50:06.000 What about Richard Barris from People's Pundit?

00:50:09.000 He's pretty good.

00:50:10.000 I think we might need a bigger, maybe, but the general idea is, Correlation between political party and whether or not someone has an inner monologue.

00:50:20.000 That's sort of interesting.

00:50:22.000 What do you mean by that?

00:50:23.000 I kind of don't even believe that people don't have an inner monologue.

00:50:28.000 How could you not have an inner monologue?

00:50:29.000 What does that mean?

00:50:31.000 This is a fascinating conversation.

00:50:32.000 It's estimated that between 50 and 75% of people do not have an inner monologue.

00:50:36.000 There's nothing happening in their brain.

00:50:39.000 Well, there's something called aphantasia.

00:50:40.000 That would sound kind of nice, to be honest, to experience for a couple hours.

00:50:43.000 Sounds like your health.

00:50:44.000 So aphantasia is the inability to visualize in your mind.

00:50:47.000 There's also, so there's multiple, there's many different ways of thinking.

00:50:52.000 Just because you have an inner monologue doesn't mean you're inherently smarter.

00:50:55.000 That's not even necessarily my point.

00:50:56.000 I'm interested in the correlation.

00:50:58.000 But I do think that lacking an inner monologue The voice in your head, that's the logical pathway.

00:51:05.000 So there are some people who think in abstracts.

00:51:09.000 The studies have been done.

00:51:11.000 They ask people like, okay, if you do not experience an inner monologue, what's in your mind?

00:51:15.000 And some people say, I see things.

00:51:17.000 I see it all.

00:51:18.000 When you say the dog jumped over the fence, I don't hear words or a voice or anything.

00:51:21.000 I just see a dog jumping over a fence.

00:51:23.000 It's like, oh, okay, you visualize.

00:51:25.000 Some people hear the words.

00:51:27.000 Some people see the text.

00:51:29.000 It's a visual, spatial thing.

00:51:31.000 Some people have what they describe as like an abstract conceptual understanding that they don't even know how to describe.

00:51:36.000 There's no words.

00:51:37.000 And they may be very smart, who knows?

00:51:40.000 I'm interested in the correlation.

00:51:41.000 But I do think my immediate assumption would be Certainly someone could be very visual.

00:51:48.000 They could be very... There's also feelings.

00:51:52.000 There's like four or five principle thought processes that have been defined.

00:51:58.000 But the inner monologue is quite literally the process of logic.

00:52:02.000 And so lacking that, you may be able to paint the most beautiful picture, build the best engine, which is intrinsically understanding where parts go, solve math problems, maybe.

00:52:11.000 But if you can't in your mind say, here are the words, 2 plus 2 equals 4, how do you build those logical pathways?

00:52:19.000 Consistently and coherently.

00:52:20.000 It doesn't mean it's not possible, I just think that the depth of someone without inner monologue will be substantially more shallow than someone with.

00:52:27.000 That is to say, my bias would be, if you have inner monologue, it's probably X times Y, the ability to calculate logic to a certain degree, and if you do not have it, potentially a surface layer thinker.

00:52:41.000 So what that means is, why is it that Democrats tend to not understand, hey, this guy was blowing the whistle and then died.

00:52:54.000 If you're in your mind connecting dots, you can see here's the probability.

00:52:59.000 That this potentially was not a suicide and it is false, but if you do not have the ability to think in your mind words and have these thought patterns, you would just hear, man committed suicide, you'd go, but he committed suicide.

00:53:10.000 Right.

00:53:10.000 There's another test that I think Lauren Chen tweeted out and the question is, if you did not eat breakfast yesterday how would you feel?

00:53:18.000 And I don't think it's a good, I understand the point of the question, but I don't think it's, I don't think that is a good question because I don't eat breakfast.

00:53:24.000 So my response would be like the same.

00:53:26.000 I don't eat breakfast.

00:53:26.000 What do you mean?

00:53:27.000 But that is the answer to the question.

00:53:28.000 The question is to determine whether or not you can understand conditional hypotheticals.

00:53:33.000 People with very low IQs, they typically respond with, but I, but I did eat breakfast.

00:53:38.000 That's the point.

00:53:39.000 My buddy Andrew Wilson's been on whatever podcast.

00:53:41.000 You gotta pull your mic closer.

00:53:42.000 Oh, sorry.

00:53:43.000 My buddy Andrew Wilson's been on whatever podcast and he asked that question.

00:53:46.000 Rarely do the OnlyFans crowd able to answer that hypothetical.

00:53:50.000 Really?

00:53:51.000 What do you mean?

00:53:51.000 What do they say stuff like, I did eat breakfast?

00:53:53.000 That's what they say.

00:53:53.000 Really?

00:53:55.000 You can check out their scoops.

00:53:56.000 New study.

00:53:57.000 OnlyFan girls understand conditional hypotheticals. 0.91

00:54:00.000 But this is the issue.

00:54:00.000 Perhaps I, you know, not to sound like a dick, but maybe the culture war really is a divide between surface level low IQ individuals and multidimensional thought processes and higher intellectual, higher IQ individuals.

00:54:16.000 I think that's true on a lot of those. 0.75

00:54:18.000 I think that's one of the reasons that you see people have really intense emotional reactions to things because they actually don't understand them, so they feel threatened.

00:54:25.000 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 It's not actually a lot, like, if you understand it logically, you don't feel like it's threatening, but if you can't understand it, you're fearful.

00:54:30.000 Well, I don't know.

00:54:31.000 I don't know about this, but what I do know is that it seems, particularly with Democrats, these appeals to authority that they rely on, like the entire bifurcation of us that said during lockdowns of COVID, like, what are you doing?

00:54:44.000 This is predictably going to harm children, predictably going to harm the economy.

00:54:47.000 And the other side said, what do you mean you could do your own research?

00:54:50.000 Trust the science.

00:54:51.000 Like that is one of the starkest differences, I think, between the population, those that will accept anything that the establishment tells them.

00:54:59.000 And the irony is, I feel like it was before the biggest vocal most vocal people against like the Iraq war were a lot of left-wingers and I was a Ron Paul guy so I was against the Iraq war as well but somehow one of the most impressive amounts of propaganda I've ever seen

00:55:15.000 Is that our intelligence agencies, in eight years, were able, through Obama being Mr. War, and then Trump being someone who criticized the intel agencies, we have taken the people that were the most vocal, anti-military-industrial-complex, anti-intel people, and made them their biggest supporters.

00:55:31.000 The people I used to march with against the Iraq war say to me, how have you changed?

00:55:36.000 You've changed so much.

00:55:37.000 I still hate the military-industrial-complex.

00:55:39.000 I still don't trust the CIA.

00:55:41.000 Now they trust them implicitly.

00:55:44.000 That's generally true, and obviously, I mean, there's that old saying, when you're young and you have no brain, you're a Democrat, and when you grow up, you have no heart, and you're a Republican, meaning, like, obviously, more logical thinking lends something along those lines.

00:55:58.000 If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you're not conservative when you're old, you have no head.

00:56:02.000 Yeah, okay, yeah, that's it.

00:56:03.000 And so, and it's true, I mean, like, typically, you know, Republican, as in, like, conservative, you know, actual conservative policies, I think, do have more logic behind their understanding.

00:56:14.000 In your terms of, like, appeal to authority, I think it's generally true, but I think there are always examples that go the other way.

00:56:21.000 Like, for example, Israel, the biggest anti, the biggest critics of this war are kind of coming from the left.

00:56:28.000 I mean, there are some on the right and the libertarian right, But much of the right, even the MAGA right, is vehemently pro-Israel.

00:56:35.000 Like who?

00:56:37.000 Like who what?

00:56:38.000 Who would you describe as a prominent personality?

00:56:41.000 Ben Shapiro's the obvious one.

00:56:42.000 You have been Shapiro for sure for sure. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying like give us an example of like this

00:56:47.000 action bench But he is jewish. So is there is that I was hanging around

00:56:52.000 at c-pak and I mean like basically everyone at c like c-pak was 0.98

00:56:55.000 uh, there there is actually a silent majority I found of like, um,

00:56:59.000 MAGA conservatives who are um

00:57:03.000 Sick of israel and and actually big critics of israel I mean, a lot of MAGA conservatives are saying, like, let's not give money to Israel.

00:57:09.000 Trump definitely is.

00:57:10.000 Right.

00:57:11.000 But I would say most... Okay, here's some examples.

00:57:13.000 Matt Schlapp, basically every Republican in Congress, even the ones who I like, like Thomas Massie and Rand Paul, really aren't coming out and saying, like, criticizing the way Israel's prosecuting this war in Gaza.

00:57:25.000 Thomas Massie put up a little meme about Zionism, which was the best relative to the rest of Republican Congress. 0.97

00:57:32.000 But Israel's still under attack.

00:57:35.000 Israel is still under attack?

00:57:36.000 Yeah, they're still under attack.

00:57:37.000 They're still being attacked.

00:57:38.000 By what?

00:57:39.000 Well, the missiles that are coming in.

00:57:40.000 Yeah, there's missiles and stuff.

00:57:41.000 Because they have a good defense system.

00:57:44.000 You're right.

00:57:44.000 Correct about Trump.

00:57:45.000 Trump has been like, I'm the most pro-Israel.

00:57:47.000 But I think most of MAGA is like, we don't care.

00:57:49.000 We don't want to be involved.

00:57:50.000 No, I guess I agree with that, but there is a hard section.

00:57:54.000 I mean, there were like, you know, there were Knesset members hanging out at CPAC.

00:57:57.000 Well, I think, like, the traditional Republicans have always been very pro-Israel in our diehard, like, I think Lauren Boebert said, like, something like, we're, it is the holy land and we stand with Israel.

00:58:07.000 Yeah, I was going to say, there are some evangelicals who feel a religious or cultural obligation to.

00:58:11.000 But the, like, the run-of-the-mill, working-class MAGA people who are just like, I've not been heard, and Trump's speaking for me, are like, I don't want to spend money on this.

00:58:20.000 I don't care.

00:58:23.000 We can talk till we're blue in the face about this religious war that's gone back forever.

00:58:27.000 I have my opinions.

00:58:28.000 If it was my family that was attacked on October 7th, I'll guarantee I would say we're not going far enough.

00:58:35.000 My plan is quite simple, like, I could see Israel's done terrible things, I could see that Hamas has done even worse things, but I'm sorry, we have lost the credibility in the people that prosecute these wars in this country and in our intelligence agencies. 0.57

00:58:50.000 Okay, well, Hamas has not killed more than, like, Israel has just killed magnitudes more people than Hamas.

00:58:56.000 Well, that might be true, but... I don't see how you could say Hamas has done worse things, but... Well, according to Gaza's health ministry.

00:59:03.000 According to Gaza's health ministry, which has a track record, like, going back the last three wars that they've had of having the exact same numbers, basically, as Israel and the UN.

00:59:11.000 I care as much about the morality of Israel-Palestine as I do about Burma and China. 0.96

00:59:15.000 Well, I know.

00:59:16.000 Exactly.

00:59:17.000 And that is the position of most MAGA Republicans.

00:59:19.000 The one argument I would make, and I was making this to some congressional staffers last night, of the MAGA wing, who their position is, we don't give any money, but we don't want to be involved, they don't really care about the morality of the war.

00:59:30.000 My argument to you, Tim, then, would be, You might not care about the war, but Israel's not stopping, and pretty soon Iran or Lebanon might get involved, and when they do, you know for sure that the Pentagon is going to back up Israel, and then you will have just been roped into a war on Israel's behalf that Israel knows we're going to get roped into, and that's why they're so brave.

00:59:51.000 I care as much about the morality of Israel-Palestine as I do about China-Taiwan. 0.82

00:59:56.000 And you know that when China makes their move finally to launch an incursion into Taiwan, the Pentagon's going to rope you in.

01:00:02.000 Yes, correct.

01:00:03.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:00:04.000 That's why I'm just anti-war generally.

01:00:05.000 Yeah, I know, but and in that case, wouldn't you want to arrest the slide and say, like, you know, Jesus, we have to stop funding Israel right now, but say it more like with more vigor and like, you know, No.

01:00:16.000 We are on the border of... Because my attitude is, how about we stop funding all of it?

01:00:19.000 Right.

01:00:20.000 I'm not going to moralize Israel and be like, I'm gonna say, yeah, why are we spending money anywhere?

01:00:24.000 Why aren't we securing our border?

01:00:26.000 Who came on the show?

01:00:27.000 They said Trump would win in a landslide.

01:00:28.000 I think it was Dave Smith.

01:00:30.000 If the Libertarians would all vote for Donald Trump, if he came out and said every single one of our troops overseas will be brought here to guard our border, you'd lose a bunch of the open border Libertarians, but everybody would be like, Trump, Yeah, for sure.

01:00:43.000 But Israel is intentionally dragging us into this war. 0.88

01:00:47.000 Nah, I think you've got Israel Derangement Syndrome.

01:00:50.000 I call it Israel-Palestine Derangement Syndrome, to be fair.

01:00:57.000 Do you know the story of Israel wiretapping the White House and blackmailing Bill Clinton?

01:01:01.000 No.

01:01:03.000 You can see this in the New York Post.

01:01:04.000 There's been two independently written books on this.

01:01:06.000 Yeah, but do you know the story about the NSA wiretapping Angela Merkel?

01:01:10.000 No, okay, sure, but I'm just saying... Look, look, look.

01:01:12.000 No, I'm giving you examples.

01:01:13.000 If Israel doesn't treat us like an ally, Israel ropes us into these things because they know we're going to back them up.

01:01:18.000 And we don't treat Germany like an ally, which is the point. 0.81

01:01:20.000 No, I know, but you... Welcome to international espionage and warfare.

01:01:23.000 But if you're America first, why would you want to get exploited into this war in the Middle East that you care so little about?

01:01:27.000 Why are you trying to make me single on Israel when all of these other countries are doing equally or worse things?

01:01:32.000 Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Yemen.

01:01:34.000 Because it's not... Hamas doesn't have a lobbying wing in DC that captures all your politicians.

01:01:43.000 I don't want to say her name!

01:01:44.000 No, but Hamas does not have that.

01:01:46.000 Hamas doesn't have like billions of dollars coming in and capturing your politicians.

01:01:49.000 Who was it who called Ilhan Omar the lobbying wing of Hamas?

01:01:51.000 Yeah, who did say that?

01:01:53.000 It's true.

01:01:53.000 I don't know.

01:01:54.000 Rashida Tlaib.

01:01:54.000 It's a funny joke, but it's not true.

01:01:56.000 No, I just think there's people who have Israel-Palestine derangement syndrome.

01:02:00.000 The U.S.

01:02:01.000 spends a lot of money on Ukraine and the U.S.

01:02:04.000 spends a lot of money on Israel.

01:02:09.000 Do you guys know the third country that we spend the most money on?

01:02:13.000 Do you guys know the third country that is third in receiving the most U.S.

01:02:18.000 aid?

01:02:18.000 Third behind Israel?

01:02:19.000 What is it?

01:02:19.000 The third behind Ukraine, which is first, then Israel.

01:02:22.000 Ethiopia.

01:02:22.000 Oh, I thought we were talking all the time.

01:02:24.000 Are we talking about a current?

01:02:25.000 I'm talking about right now.

01:02:26.000 Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Nigeria, Somalia.

01:02:32.000 Do you know who actually, which country still has one of the highest payouts from the, like, investments from the U.S.

01:02:36.000 government is?

01:02:37.000 I only learned this recently.

01:02:38.000 Vietnam.

01:02:39.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 We stopped funding it for sure, but it received like, like significantly more money than like anything else.

01:02:45.000 Okay.

01:02:45.000 So, here's what I end up seeing.

01:02:47.000 NATO has substantially more influence over our military policy.

01:02:51.000 If you look at Libya, for instance, airstrikes, the United States' interests in Libya turned into a slaver state, destabilized the country. 0.89

01:03:00.000 I mean, if you look at the entirety of North Africa... Well, NATO... we just use NATO as our justification to go to war. 0.97

01:03:05.000 I mean, it's not... we're pulling the strings of NATO.

01:03:08.000 My point is, I would argue, Israel is pulling a lot of our strings in terms of foreign policy. 0.96

01:03:11.000 No, I think you're wrong.

01:03:12.000 I think we're pulling the strings of Israel. 0.95

01:03:13.000 That's the real, that's really what's going on, because Israel is an intelligence and military asset for us in the Middle East.

01:03:19.000 So when we are staging... But how is it an asset if they've gotten us into all the major conflicts that we've been in?

01:03:23.000 No, no, those are our wars.

01:03:24.000 Okay.

01:03:25.000 See, NATO's not getting us involved in things, we're getting NATO involved in things, and Israel's not. 0.58

01:03:30.000 I agree on NATO, I don't agree on Israel. 0.84

01:03:33.000 There are some Americans... Your position makes no sense.

01:03:35.000 Okay, there are some, but I mean, like, the founding neocons, who, you know, the PNAC group, those guys were Americans, but they basically did all that for Israel.

01:03:44.000 I think Australia's roping us into this war with China.

01:03:47.000 Why are we sending ships and personnel to Australia in 2002, Tim?

01:03:51.000 Did they even send us any kangaroos?

01:03:53.000 What is this?

01:03:54.000 You guys know about what's going on with Australia and China, right?

01:03:56.000 Yeah, they're having big issues, and that's why we sold Australia a whole bunch of weapons.

01:04:01.000 And there's food issues and dairy issues.

01:04:03.000 It's been wild.

01:04:05.000 When I went ten years ago to New Zealand, I started learning about the conflict between Australia and China.

01:04:10.000 New Zealand is partially involved in, and the things China's been doing in this region of the world is massive.

01:04:16.000 I mean, they're building these naval bases and air force bases on the atolls.

01:04:20.000 They're manufacturing islands to establish power.

01:04:23.000 They're sinking Vietnamese vessels.

01:04:25.000 I mean, the threat here is tremendous, and Taiwan is roping us into it! 1.00

01:04:30.000 I think the real issue is Taiwan-China.

01:04:33.000 Why are we involved in this?

01:04:34.000 Do you know what's going on with China and Taiwan and how much money we spend and how many personnel we have in Taiwan?

01:04:39.000 I think the Taiwanese are lobbying us so that they can get us involved in their regional conflict.

01:04:44.000 I agree, and there is some of that, but the reality, like you must know this, I mean the reality in terms of dollar value, the reality in terms of espionage leverage like Jeffrey Epstein, who I would imagine you would agree has a lot of links to Mossad.

01:04:57.000 And is likely a Mossad asset.

01:04:58.000 I'll tell you what I think.

01:04:59.000 Do you think that?

01:05:00.000 I think that the obsession with Israel undermines the foreign policy argument that I and many other libertarians have.

01:05:06.000 It's not an obsession with Israel.

01:05:07.000 I mean, we just talked about planes for 30 minutes.

01:05:10.000 Israel is number one. 0.98

01:05:12.000 Ukraine is.

01:05:14.000 In terms of all-time funding, it dwarfs Ukraine.

01:05:18.000 The president is coming here and demanding we pay for his war!

01:05:23.000 Yes, and so did the president of Israel in 2000.

01:05:25.000 And guess who's number one?

01:05:27.000 Ukraine!

01:05:27.000 Ukraine is number one.

01:05:28.000 Right now it's Ukraine.

01:05:29.000 Right now it's Ukraine.

01:05:30.000 So why are you worried about number two?

01:05:32.000 Because in all because it's been it's been I mean this is a decades long thing and if

01:05:35.000 you go back decades.

01:05:36.000 But wait, Liam, I have a question for you, right?

01:05:39.000 So if my position is we should stop sending money to all of these people and you're like,

01:05:43.000 I don't understand what your criticism is.

01:05:44.000 It's like, no, I agree with that.

01:05:46.000 Wait, wait, but you seem to be saying, but it's something more.

01:05:48.000 We have to take Palestine side. 0.99

01:05:50.000 My point is what you're saying, sort of what we would call non unique in that you're saying,

01:05:54.000 what if we don't do that, then the shady people in Washington right now will exploit that

01:05:58.000 situation via Israel and send a war.

01:06:01.000 Ukraine is dragging us into World War III. 0.98

01:06:03.000 Vladimir Putin, over the Donbass, is saying, if the West intervenes directly with troops, we will use nukes.

01:06:10.000 And Macron is saying, I don't care.

01:06:12.000 He's doubling down, saying we will go to war over Ukraine.

01:06:16.000 Ukraine being the largest recipient of U.S.

01:06:18.000 aid, with their president coming to our country and directly lobbying us to pay their bills, and you're going, but Israel, but Israel! 0.77

01:06:24.000 No, I totally agree on Ukraine.

01:06:26.000 I don't care about Israel. 0.98

01:06:27.000 Okay, but Ukraine is probably more dangerous because of the nuclear factor.

01:06:31.000 But the difference is, if you go to the Maidan revolution, that was our coup.

01:06:35.000 Ukraine is our... There might be some relations back and forth, there's some blackmail back and forth, but that was our coup that started this civil war that now we're dealing with the consequences of.

01:06:45.000 I am as concerned with Israel-Palestine as I am with Ukraine-Russia and China-Taiwan. 0.59

01:06:50.000 Even though it could get us dragged into a war with Iran, which might happen War with Russia is worse than war with Iran, and Ukraine is doing that.

01:06:57.000 They're both, yeah, they're both terrible.

01:06:58.000 So why are you bringing up Israel?

01:07:00.000 Because, because you, because as I just said, Ukraine is our client state where we overthrew 0.98

01:07:05.000 their government and, and started a civil war in the Donbas which led to this conflict

01:07:09.000 today.

01:07:10.000 Israel is, is the opposite. 0.96

01:07:12.000 Israel is a situation where they have a lot of influence over our country, whether it be through blackmail or through fanatical, you know, Zionists who are Americans in our country. 0.93

01:07:20.000 But let me give you one anecdote.

01:07:22.000 After 9-11, which we could also analyze some aspects of 9-11, after 9-11, 2002, before we invade Iraq, Netanyahu testifies on the House floor And just brazenly saying, you can pull up the video, in fact I'll send it to you, he says, there is no doubt Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and he's schmoozing the congressman, he's like referencing the movie The Great Escape, and he's doing it very charming, and he's blatantly saying he has nuclear facilities hidden underground, and I need regime change, you know.

01:07:55.000 Yeah, kind of like when Zelensky comes here.

01:07:58.000 No, no, no, no, no!

01:08:00.000 Zelensky right now is doing these things and you're obsessed with Israel.

01:08:03.000 I regard them the same.

01:08:04.000 Tim, I was obsessed with Ukraine, too, last year.

01:08:06.000 I mean, that's what we talked about last time I came on.

01:08:08.000 It's the same thing.

01:08:12.000 I don't like getting dragged into unnecessary wars.

01:08:14.000 And so you brought up Israel.

01:08:17.000 Yes, because Israel is about to get us into a war with Iran or Lebanon.

01:08:20.000 And Ukraine is about to get us into a war with Russia.

01:08:22.000 And Taiwan's about to get us into a war with China.

01:08:26.000 And I'm worried about all those things.

01:08:27.000 And so the position is general anti-war.

01:08:30.000 But what I see is You've got people who have Israel-Palestine Derangement Syndrome, where, no matter what's going on, this, for some reason, trumps literally everything else. 0.70

01:08:40.000 Quite literally, when Ukraine is the largest recipient of foreign aid right now, and we are facing the direct threat from a world leader with nuclear weapons, you're saying, but maybe Iran?

01:08:48.000 And I'm like, Russia literally said he'll nuke us if he has to!

01:08:51.000 Well, no, I agree.

01:08:52.000 The Russia thing is terrifying.

01:08:53.000 So let's focus on what matters.

01:08:54.000 But in terms of the magnitude of death, Israel-Gaza war far surpassed Russia-Ukraine war, and... I don't care about... If you're paying attention, though, to the winds of change, it does... But what does that mean to me?

01:09:06.000 Hold on, hold on, Tim.

01:09:07.000 Why are you bringing up a moral point that has nothing to do with this country?

01:09:09.000 No, no, Tim, I'm saying...

01:09:11.000 I was about to get to the point of the country, which is that you can kind of see the national security state shifting its attention to Israel as well.

01:09:18.000 How many children have died in Yemen?

01:09:20.000 It looks like we're moving focus away from Ukraine, thankfully, but sadly it's to support another war. 0.99

01:09:24.000 How many children have died in Yemen?

01:09:26.000 I think like over half a million.

01:09:28.000 Do you not know the reporting, the actual number?

01:09:31.000 No, I believe it's over 500,000, is it not?

01:09:36.000 Well, define those deaths.

01:09:39.000 Some of those might be from hunger, but that's for the Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen.

01:09:42.000 So it's like 120,000.

01:09:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:09:44.000 Well, I heard over 500,000.

01:09:45.000 That might have been from starvation, things like that.

01:09:47.000 You're talking about Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen.

01:09:49.000 Right, with U.S.

01:09:49.000 support and weapons.

01:09:50.000 Correct.

01:09:51.000 Also, a horrible thing, which the Saudis actually finally backed off of, and now we're again bombing Yemen because of the Houthis thing, because of Israel, again. 0.90

01:10:00.000 So we finally ended that war, and now it's started again because of Israel's war. 0.56

01:10:04.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:10:05.000 We were involved in helping Saudi Arabia.

01:10:09.000 We were launching airstrikes and commando raids in Yemen well before October 7th.

01:10:13.000 I know, I know.

01:10:14.000 And then when the Houthis, who we've been in conflict with the whole time, start attacking us again, and we attack them, you're like, but now it's Israel. 0.60

01:10:21.000 No, no, no, the Saudi, the Saudis had briefly paused their war in Yemen.

01:10:26.000 Yes, the conflict between us and the Houthi rebels and the Iranian militias and all that stuff has been going on well before October 7th.

01:10:33.000 No, I know, but before October 7th... But you're saying now Israel's done it? 0.80

01:10:37.000 Saudi and Yemen's had a peace deal.

01:10:40.000 They had a ceasefire.

01:10:41.000 My point is, it reignited.

01:10:43.000 Now we are the ones bombing Yemen directly. 0.99

01:10:46.000 Maybe it's Iran supplying weapons to Gaza, which resulted in the October 7th attacks, which triggered the war, and it's their fault. 0.94

01:10:54.000 I just don't... For me, I don't... Yeah, but that's just pure speculation.

01:10:59.000 If October 7th didn't happen, we would not be here.

01:11:01.000 So you're saying it's Israel's fault?

01:11:02.000 I'm like, but Israel got attacked and retaliated.

01:11:04.000 You can argue the retaliation is over the top, but they didn't start the war.

01:11:07.000 Okay, but we both agree we shouldn't be involved, but if you want to go and assess the entire Israel-Palestine conflict, I mean, you go back to, like, pre-1940s, and it's obvious, like, who the aggressor was in that situation, who took the land.

01:11:19.000 Well, Hamas didn't start planning this until Biden came into office.

01:11:23.000 No, no, no, I'm attacking your position where I believe you're obsessed with Israel for some reason.

01:11:29.000 It's just one of many conversations.

01:11:31.000 Tell me about Burma.

01:11:32.000 I don't know about Burma.

01:11:33.000 Why not?

01:11:34.000 Because we're- are we involved in Burma?

01:11:36.000 Is it- is it- is there a potential nuclear escalation path with the conflict in Burma?

01:11:40.000 I only- There is.

01:11:41.000 I only care if my country's getting involved.

01:11:42.000 Tell me about Kashmir.

01:11:43.000 And especially if my country is backing the side.

01:11:45.000 Tell me about Kashmir.

01:11:46.000 That's, you know.

01:11:47.000 This is all I don't get.

01:11:48.000 This is what confused me about this.

01:11:49.000 If I'm on your side of this, and let's say I'm guessing you think morally Palestine is more justified than Israel. 0.96

01:11:56.000 That's fine.

01:11:57.000 Tim and I are basically saying we don't care. 0.99

01:11:59.000 There's bad shit that occurs all throughout the world. 0.99

01:12:01.000 We should not be involved. 0.99

01:12:02.000 You somehow seem to be saying... Well, before the show started, you were all on board.

01:12:05.000 You should help me out, because you had some good facts.

01:12:08.000 Right, but this is what I'm saying.

01:12:09.000 I'm on your side, and I even told you this. 0.98

01:12:13.000 I said, you should be happy with me, because my position is, as some redneck that's concerned about what's happening in my neck of the woods, I don't give a shit to go through a 2,000 year history of religions fighting. 0.97

01:12:23.000 All I'm saying is, don't get involved. 0.97

01:12:25.000 That's why I was trying to make the case that the Israeli government is dragging us into war. 0.77

01:12:29.000 Tim is correct, the Ukrainian government is also dragging us into war. 0.75

01:12:32.000 So is the Taiwanese. 0.87

01:12:33.000 Israel has by far the most robust lobbying apparatus, and as we know from the whole Epstein saga, in addition to lobbying, they have this espionage apparatus that blackmails our politicians and forces us into war. 0.88

01:12:47.000 So my point is, I don't like any of these countries that are dragging us into war, and especially Israel's, which is far more powerful and has far more influence. 0.86

01:12:54.000 So my view is... That's proven from basically all our Middle East interventions, which are all centered around protecting Israel. 0.84

01:13:02.000 I think this is a bias and obsession.

01:13:05.000 I think that if you analyze what's going on with Israel, one could equally make the argument that the US Manipulates Israel as a puppet state in the Middle East for control, military, weapons development, computer chips particularly, so that when it comes to the conflict in the Middle East we have a massive base of operations.

01:13:25.000 The US, and I think the evidence for this is, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, we can pull up the map here, For people who don't know geography, and I'm not trying to be mean, people don't realize that we decide, hey, we gotta invade Iraq, and we gotta invade Afghanistan, and we gotta build a bunch of military bases here.

01:13:40.000 And what is in the middle of these two countries?

01:13:43.000 Iran.

01:13:44.000 It has been explicitly stated for a long time that our goal is to go after Iran. 0.97

01:13:48.000 And we have an ally in the region.

01:13:49.000 They scream it to the high heavens.

01:13:51.000 Israel's our ally in the region.

01:13:52.000 It's our ally in the region.

01:13:53.000 It is a weapons manufacturer.

01:13:55.000 It's one of the best in security and weapons technology.

01:13:59.000 And we utilize this as a staging base of operations.

01:14:02.000 Then people come out like you and say, but Israel's controlling us!

01:14:05.000 And I'm like, dude, the U.S.

01:14:07.000 military-industrial complex is not just the United States, it's also NATO.

01:14:10.000 The massive empire that is the military-industrial complex is not a puppet of Israel.

01:14:16.000 No, Tim, you missed part of my point, which is that there are guys like PNAC, there are these hardcore American Zionists who push it, we push it intentionally, and I'm sure there's some back and forth where we have leverage on them and pull the strings, but to deny Israel's influence over US politics compared to Ukraine's influence or Taiwan's influence, I think is a bit silly.

01:14:36.000 So, the point I'm making is, it is an assumption that people in the US are like, oh no, Israel's telling us what to do, and not, we agree with them.

01:14:44.000 We want our military presence there. There's some of that, but like you had like

01:14:47.000 I mean, do you agree that Epstein was likely a Mossad asset?

01:14:52.000 I mean, I don't I have no idea But I agree. Well, you should look into that because he was

01:14:55.000 blackmailing. He was blackmailing politicians for the benefit of Israel 0.72

01:14:59.000 He worked for Leslie Wexner who Leslie Wexner is openly a massive Zionist 0.83

01:15:04.000 But what I'm saying is it is bias to say Israel controls us instead of we are aligned with Israel.

01:15:04.000 Very powerful.

01:15:11.000 That's why I brought up PNAC.

01:15:11.000 I said both.

01:15:13.000 There are people in the US government who are very powerful.

01:15:15.000 They were much more powerful during the Bush administration, but they were, I see no distinction between NATO and Israel.

01:15:23.000 like okay but but well but NATO clearly is just is just the US arm that clearly

01:15:28.000 define that how they can start unconstitutional because we always use it

01:15:31.000 to start unconstitutional wars like in Iraq and stuff and NATO I mean we're

01:15:34.000 obviously the biggest you know country in NATO it's it's I don't disagree with you

01:15:40.000 I think AIPAC is lobbying unto influence.

01:15:43.000 I agree with all that.

01:15:44.000 The only thing that, the tension I'm getting, you tell me if I'm reading this situation wrong.

01:15:48.000 Let's say Tim and I get our way and we're like, we stopped sending money to all these places.

01:15:50.000 Heck, I'd pull out of NATO.

01:15:51.000 I'd want NATO disbanded.

01:15:52.000 Let's say that happens.

01:15:53.000 And I just say, I don't care.

01:15:55.000 Israel, Palestine, I'm both, we can sit two people here and argue till they're blue in the face.

01:15:59.000 I'm also forgetting out of NATO, so.

01:16:01.000 But here's my question to you.

01:16:02.000 Are you saying beyond stop sending money all these places, you would also want the U.S.

01:16:07.000 to proactively work against Israel for the abuses you think they're committing in Palestine?

01:16:12.000 No, I mean, no, of course, what I would, I would, first of all, I agree with all of you that I would take all foreign aid off the table.

01:16:18.000 But I mean, as the U.S., as like the big superpower, I would negotiate a ceasefire or work out some deal for a lasting peace.

01:16:24.000 I mean, and Trump tried to do that.

01:16:26.000 And there's a great clip of Trump After he was out of office, he's being interviewed for his book, and he's talking about meeting Netanyahu and Abbas, the head of the PLO in the West Bank.

01:16:37.000 And he says, very candidly, he says, you know, I got a really good feeling about Abbas.

01:16:43.000 He was kind of like a father figure, and I really got the sense he wanted to work out a deal.

01:16:46.000 Within five minutes of talking to Netanyahu, I realized he had no intention of ever making a deal.

01:16:51.000 So Trump just very candidly kind of said, you know, who's really the ones who don't want to make a peace deal?

01:16:57.000 And we pay the price for this, both economically and with our, you know, and potentially the US militarily has wanted to control the Middle East for a very, very long time.

01:17:10.000 I agree, but I'm saying Trump actually tried to make peace and the one he said was the problem was Netanyahu.

01:17:14.000 I get it.

01:17:16.000 He asked me what my position would be and it would be to sue for peace and don't send money to anyone.

01:17:19.000 The point I'm making is one could equally argue that Netanyahu defying Trump, much like the deep state defied Trump.

01:17:24.000 And Netanyahu aligned with establishment forces in this country.

01:17:29.000 You oppose the deep state?

01:17:30.000 When people come out and they go, it's Israel making us do these things, I'm like, no, Israel's a puppet state of the United States.

01:17:36.000 I think, I think you're, you're kind of, I mean I agree with you, I think it goes both ways, but I think you're very under, um, appreciating Israel's influence. 0.99

01:17:43.000 I don't think, I think, but I disagree with that in that it goes both ways in that what I actually think is there is no both ways, it's one entity.

01:17:51.000 I mean, obviously, there's, but even within the military industrial complex, there's people who agree and disagree.

01:17:58.000 Sure, sure.

01:17:58.000 But what I'm saying is, NATO, Israel, the US, Australia, the Five Eyes spy club, there's no one way about it or the other.

01:18:07.000 There's no, they're controlling us, no, we're controlling them. 0.97

01:18:10.000 They're two brothers sitting there smoking joints together, in total agreement on everything, and to argue that one brother made the other brother smoke pot is ridiculous! 0.97

01:18:20.000 They're sharing the joint they bought together!

01:18:22.000 Well, I mean, but, okay, you're kind of just asserting this, but even, you know, if that's the case, there are, and you just acknowledged there are disagreements, but, you know, I'm just asserting this is a funny thing for you to say when you're literally arguing that's what you're doing.

01:18:35.000 But you're asserting, I'm trying to give you some points here, but you're just kind of asserting it's all kumbaya when it gets up there.

01:18:41.000 I think there's different factions.

01:18:43.000 There's like Bush, there's the Bushes who are very Zionist, there's Biden who He's clearly Zionist.

01:18:48.000 I'm done.

01:18:49.000 You guys are obsessed with this stuff.

01:18:51.000 Dude, I'm not obsessed with Israel. 0.95

01:18:52.000 You have an affliction.

01:18:53.000 What are you talking about?

01:18:54.000 You have an Israel affliction. 0.97

01:18:55.000 Because there's a massive war that I'm paying for and that we might get involved in a bigger war.

01:19:00.000 And there's so much more stuff going on in the world you can't tell me about because you are so obsessed.

01:19:04.000 I can't take Israel-Palestine. 0.99

01:19:05.000 I am a foreign policy guy, but I don't... Okay, tell me about the history of China and Taiwan.

01:19:10.000 Let's start talking about that.

01:19:11.000 How many people are at risk?

01:19:12.000 How many people live on the island?

01:19:12.000 How many troops are there?

01:19:13.000 How much have we spent so far?

01:19:14.000 Okay, I know more about Ukraine, but I think in Taiwan, I think we have like 120 troops stationed there. 120?

01:19:21.000 That's the last time I checked.

01:19:22.000 Have we increased?

01:19:23.000 Is it over 200 now?

01:19:24.000 It might be over 200.

01:19:24.000 And it's a bad thing.

01:19:28.000 We should not have US troops there as a trigger point to go to World War 3 with a direct nuclear power.

01:19:35.000 Oh, that one says only 30 troops.

01:19:37.000 Okay.

01:19:37.000 Well, maybe they swap them out, but I know at one point they put in like a surge of 100.

01:19:41.000 What lobbying groups exist for Taiwan?

01:19:43.000 Well, I mean, there are think tanks that are super hawkish against China.

01:19:48.000 Like who?

01:19:48.000 Well, like the CSIS and like the Council on Foreign Relations.

01:19:52.000 These guys are kind of just inherently... Oh, come on.

01:19:53.000 Those are generic terms.

01:19:54.000 Everybody knows those guys.

01:19:55.000 No, I know.

01:19:56.000 Like we know AIPAC.

01:19:57.000 Everyone can bring up AIPAC.

01:19:58.000 What's Taiwan's?

01:20:00.000 Uh, I actually don't know the name of Taiwan's, but I would say there are groups like that and there are groups like the Epoch Times where I used to work, which is, you know, claims to be a media outlet, but it is basically not a Taiwan lobbying group, but it's an anti-CCP lobbying group.

01:20:13.000 Um, so I, you know, I don't exactly know what your, what your, the point of your line of questioning is.

01:20:17.000 My point is, to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

01:20:19.000 You live in Israel world. 0.94

01:20:21.000 I think there's tons of other military conflicts in the world that are deeply pressing.

01:20:25.000 And last year, all I could talk about was Ukraine.

01:20:27.000 This one's a little more pressing now.

01:20:28.000 I don't, I'm not, like, I just don't really understand your point.

01:20:31.000 You keep just saying, like, you're obsessed.

01:20:33.000 We should stop talking about it.

01:20:34.000 But yeah, yeah.

01:20:35.000 Israel today, right now, is not- But you're obsessed with America, so don't you not want U.S.

01:20:38.000 to be- I live in America.

01:20:38.000 Yeah, and don't you want the U.S.

01:20:39.000 not to be dragged into another unnecessary war in the Middle East?

01:20:41.000 Which is why my position is, if we could stop the hyper-focus and obsession on one tiny-ass country, and focus on the full-scale problem that is the military-industrial complex... The people who you're bashing as obsessed with Israel are the only ones right now pushing back against... Bro, you've already made a bunch of moral arguments over the deaths in Gaza.

01:20:58.000 Because it is a moral atrocity, I don't really... Obsession.

01:21:01.000 No, but... How many children have died in Ukraine?

01:21:05.000 How many?

01:21:05.000 You don't even know the number of the most pressing conflict right now!

01:21:10.000 What's the number?

01:21:11.000 How many in Gaza?

01:21:11.000 Less in conflict right now.

01:21:12.000 Fewer children have died in Ukraine than in Gaza.

01:21:16.000 How many in Gaza?

01:21:17.000 I don't know, I could look it up.

01:21:18.000 I would have known it last- How many in Gaza?

01:21:19.000 A couple months ago when I was more focused on this.

01:21:20.000 How many in Gaza?

01:21:21.000 In Gaza, okay, it's like 30K are the official numbers.

01:21:24.000 It's probably higher than that.

01:21:25.000 Official from who?

01:21:26.000 From the Gaza Health Ministry, which, yes, is run by Hamas, but they do have a track record of being in line with Israel's numbers.

01:21:32.000 And the children are something like 12,000.

01:21:35.000 Now, considering we spend substantially more money right now on Ukraine, and we're being directly threatened by probably the most powerful nuclear nation on the planet, I'd like to know how many children have died in Ukraine. 0.94

01:21:45.000 Why don't you know the answer?

01:21:47.000 Have you asked yourself that?

01:21:48.000 I used to know, well I don't know if I ever bifurcated between children and adults, but I used to know, yes, the Ukraine civilian death count, which is I think below, I think it's below 10,000, I could be wrong on that.

01:22:00.000 I think it's about 11,400.

01:22:02.000 I don't care one way or the other.

01:22:04.000 I don't know why it is that you have made a moral argument to me over the atrocities of Gaza, and you don't know about Ukraine.

01:22:10.000 To me, that signifies you don't actually care about international conflict.

01:22:13.000 Yes, I do, Tim.

01:22:14.000 No, you're obsessed with Israel.

01:22:15.000 But the people making the moral arguments, if you want to get something, if you want to convince a politician to stop supporting a certain policy, sometimes you have to make the moral argument, which is like, That's what the left is doing right now, and I'm not a leftist, but I do actually appreciate that the left is out there protesting because it's putting pressure on Biden.

01:22:32.000 Every time Blinken walks out of his house, Code Pink and all those, you know, left-wing feminist protesters are pouring red paint on his sidewalk and they're screaming at him, and that's adding pressure.

01:22:42.000 No, I disagree.

01:22:43.000 UNICEF says 545 children have been killed.

01:22:46.000 That's not correct.

01:22:46.000 In Ukraine.

01:22:47.000 That's children.

01:22:47.000 I'm just saying, if you wanted a number.

01:22:49.000 You said 11,000 civilians I thought you were talking about.

01:22:51.000 I'm just saying, if you wanted a number...

01:22:53.000 You said 11,000 civilians, I thought you were talking about.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 Yeah, so that's...

01:22:56.000 But I asked children in Gaza.

01:22:58.000 But listen, it's...

01:22:59.000 That's not Gaza, that's Ukraine. 0.65

01:23:00.000 No, that's Ukraine.

01:23:01.000 I know, I'm asking how many children... How many children in Gaza?

01:23:03.000 I think it's like, I think it's about 12,000 or more.

01:23:05.000 Because you made a moral argument to me about the atrocities of Gaza, and when I ask you about the atrocities of Ukraine, you don't know.

01:23:13.000 No, Tim, I mean, you put me on the spot, like, what's the exact number?

01:23:15.000 Yeah, dude, I tracked Ukraine very closely, I can tell you all about them.

01:23:18.000 Now listen, now listen, now calm down, here's the point, here's the point.

01:23:20.000 Okay.

01:23:21.000 The most pressing conflict on Earth right now is Ukraine.

01:23:25.000 Emmanuel Macron, now let me finish.

01:23:27.000 Emmanuel Macron just came out, doubled down again, following the third or fourth threat of nuclear force against NATO, and Macron said, we don't care, we will not lose, and he has called for, in the event we need to, NATO troops deployed into Ukraine.

01:23:47.000 Putin again responded, we are ready and willing to use nukes against you.

01:23:51.000 This is the most money we're spending.

01:23:54.000 Zelensky is coming directly to our country. 1.00

01:23:56.000 We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this war.

01:23:59.000 It is the most, most pressing thing.

01:24:00.000 And you're going, but the children of Gaza, the moral atrocities.

01:24:03.000 Well, because Israel has a potential path to escalation as well. 0.54

01:24:06.000 I mean, like... Okay, now here's my point.

01:24:07.000 Iran might have some nuclear capabilities, like a dirty bomb or something. 0.81

01:24:11.000 I mean, things could get very ugly with Iran, too. 1.00

01:24:13.000 And maybe, maybe, what if, what if, maybe Iran might get involved?

01:24:15.000 It's not what if, dude.

01:24:16.000 I mean, if this keeps... But I know, but if this keeps going, you know that if they get... Now, here's the point.

01:24:22.000 Vladimir Putin, the President, and Desmond— I agree with you.

01:24:27.000 So, the leader of a nation which has more nuclear weapons than anybody else has threatened to use them against us.

01:24:33.000 But why- have you not asked yourself why it is you know more about Israel when Iran has not directly- doesn't even have a- No, I actually- if you actually quizzed me on it, I probably know more about Ukraine.

01:24:43.000 Like, like I was saying, the last two years, I have been all focused on Ukraine.

01:24:47.000 It's literally one of the reasons that motivated me into journalism, and then Epoch Times hired me, and then I would go to the State Department and the Pentagon and ask- Every single day, I was the only journalist in the Pentagon and State Department criticizing the Ukraine war.

01:24:59.000 Not many people follow me, but you can ask them.

01:25:02.000 I was obsessed with Ukraine.

01:25:03.000 I had Ukraine obsession syndrome.

01:25:04.000 If I can- Last year, man.

01:25:05.000 I did.

01:25:06.000 If I can get in here real quick- And this one seems more pressing because it seems hotter, and also the national security state seems to be pivoting to this one.

01:25:12.000 It's not.

01:25:13.000 You don't think- Listen, can I get in for a second?

01:25:15.000 Let me say this.

01:25:16.000 Ukraine is having trouble for the first time getting funding because the focus is on Israel.

01:25:20.000 Listen, I think the fundamental problem... So, Ukraine is hopefully winding down because of the Israel war. 0.96

01:25:26.000 One second, please.

01:25:26.000 I think the problem is you are overselling this.

01:25:29.000 You are talking past the sale.

01:25:31.000 And I can tell you exactly when you've done it.

01:25:33.000 You know from the conversation we had before this, we're literally like, yeah, we hear you on Israel, we shouldn't be sending money to them, right?

01:25:38.000 But you keep going.

01:25:39.000 And here's where you make a mistake, right?

01:25:40.000 You're like, well, it's like these Code Pink people and they're doing a lot.

01:25:44.000 No, that's the exact opposite.

01:25:46.000 Real quick, average people that are sick and tired of financing these foreign wars buy that argument.

01:25:51.000 When you say, and these people that you see blocking roads and cutting paintings and acting like spoiled brats, they're helping the cause.

01:25:58.000 They're not.

01:25:59.000 Take the win when you got it.

01:26:00.000 We're saying don't send the money to Israel.

01:26:02.000 That's what we're saying.

01:26:03.000 Okay, I'll calm down.

01:26:04.000 I actually agree with the first point you made, that I'm overselling it to you guys, and it's actually probably making you more annoyed with my campaign.

01:26:11.000 That was what I said in the very beginning.

01:26:13.000 If I could just add to the Code Pink people, I disagree when you come to the Code Pink people.

01:26:19.000 Sure, if you're blocking a road and you're pissing off guys driving in traffic, what are you really helping?

01:26:23.000 But if you're going outside Blinken's house, which they are doing, that does add pressure to Blinken, and they do see that they're losing the progressive left.

01:26:31.000 Like in states like Michigan, where there's a huge Muslim population.

01:26:33.000 Those things, I think, actually do add pressure.

01:26:35.000 I agree with you.

01:26:36.000 Like, you know, since we already agree, I probably didn't need to... Yeah, which was your point about me making the moral case for no reason.

01:26:42.000 That could have an effect.

01:26:43.000 I mean, I think a lot of people argue it better than me.

01:26:45.000 I'm not much of a public speaker, to be completely honest.

01:26:48.000 So I hear you.

01:26:49.000 I mean, I'm working on it.

01:26:50.000 But anyway, sorry.

01:26:51.000 This is a conversation we've had with Ian a lot.

01:26:54.000 Because the first thing I try to do whenever someone comes up to me and talks to me about Israel is I immediately just say, like, how many people have died in Ukraine?

01:27:02.000 And they can't answer.

01:27:03.000 And I say, how many people have, what's the current amount of dead in Burma?

01:27:07.000 I don't know.

01:27:09.000 Okay, well, let's talk about Sudan.

01:27:10.000 Well, I don't know about Sudan, but the United States has been funding the conflict in Sudan.

01:27:14.000 Let's talk about Somalia.

01:27:15.000 I don't know.

01:27:15.000 Okay, now ask yourself the simple question, why don't you know?

01:27:19.000 And I'm not telling you you're absolutely allowed to focus on Israel.

01:27:22.000 When Ben Shapiro comes out and says, Israel this, Israel that, I'm like, he's an orthodox Jewish man.

01:27:26.000 I absolutely understand why he's deeply concerned about literally the only Jewish state on the planet.

01:27:32.000 I can understand his sentiment.

01:27:34.000 As for an American who's talking about foreign policy, I have to ask you why it is. 0.79

01:27:40.000 There's a video of a woman.

01:27:41.000 She goes into the camera screaming.

01:27:43.000 She's like, why don't you care about Gaza?

01:27:46.000 It's like she's got some kind of derangement over this.

01:27:49.000 And the issue is... But in terms of magnitude of death, it is the highest of those examples you just mentioned.

01:27:54.000 I'm just saying, but some people... More children have died in Yemen because of the US-funded Saudi conflict.

01:28:01.000 And I did know about the Yemen War.

01:28:02.000 Who cares?

01:28:03.000 And part of the Yemen thing is just that, like, the media, for whatever reason, didn't cover it.

01:28:06.000 So that's, you know, you're right.

01:28:08.000 That's why.

01:28:09.000 But in terms of those conflicts you just mentioned, besides Yemen, which ended at least Saudi Arabia's persecution of it, you might not care, but there are people who do care about innocent life, and, you know, it's the greatest magnitude, and therefore it's the greatest urgency to be upset about.

01:28:23.000 I think take, like, I understand what you're saying that there might other be people that need, you know, convinced in other ways.

01:28:29.000 For me, this is the simplest argument.

01:28:30.000 When we take these moral stances, these are the sort of things that our intelligence agencies end up doing.

01:28:36.000 We're in a military alliance of NATO, right?

01:28:39.000 And in that alliance, we are honor bound and treaty bound to defend any NATO country, correct?

01:28:44.000 So we've stationed nuclear weapons in the country of Turkey.

01:28:47.000 Meanwhile, we're in Syria bombing Assad, and we're told that we can't leave Syria to the point where the generals committed treason, as far as I'm concerned, and lied to Donald Trump when he tried to pull out.

01:28:57.000 Because the argument is, if we leave Syria, our ally, the Kurds, will have genocide committed on them by our ally, the Turks, who we've given nuclear weapons. 0.64

01:29:05.000 Now, how does that apply to what we're saying?

01:29:07.000 I don't care about who's right or wrong in these conflicts.

01:29:11.000 You might be 100% right.

01:29:13.000 And I do have sympathy that I think Israel's gone too far. 0.99

01:29:15.000 I also think Hamas sucks. 0.99

01:29:17.000 We talked about it. 0.99

01:29:17.000 They could be trying to target the leadership of Hamas. 0.99

01:29:20.000 Instead, they seem to be more interested in bombing.

01:29:22.000 But the The point is, I'm so sorry I've lost my compassion for having to pretend to care about this stuff.

01:29:28.000 It's not that I don't have a big heart, I do.

01:29:30.000 It's that I know that that's used to take advantage of me and other Americans to get us involved in these quagmires.

01:29:36.000 And so the stance I've taken, until we can trust... That's my point, though.

01:29:40.000 The side that's dragging us into the quagmire is Israel. 1.00

01:29:43.000 It's not Hamas.

01:29:44.000 There's no Hamas in the lobbying sector.

01:29:45.000 No one's saying we should start sending weapons to Hamas.

01:29:47.000 It doesn't matter who's dragging us in, to me.

01:29:49.000 And I understand you might, to you and to other people.

01:29:51.000 Why does it matter?

01:29:52.000 You have to know who to oppose because it should depend on who you're dragging you in.

01:29:54.000 Let me finish.

01:29:54.000 It doesn't matter to me because my answer is stop giving them all money.

01:29:58.000 And you could be like, yeah, but Israel's really bad. 0.98

01:30:00.000 Right.

01:30:00.000 We're not giving them money anymore.

01:30:01.000 So I agree.

01:30:02.000 And I think different arguments work on different people.

01:30:03.000 A fiscal argument might work more for certain conservatives, but a moral argument might work more for someone in the Biden administration.

01:30:10.000 So I don't see why you can't attack it on both sides.

01:30:13.000 So how many people died in Sudan in the last year?

01:30:17.000 I don't know.

01:30:17.000 know and I get you know how much money on this one how much has the US

01:30:20.000 government given to the government of Sudan in this con pre this conflict and

01:30:25.000 now moving into 2020 24 I don't know I don't see an escalation path for nuclear

01:30:30.000 war in Sudan so it doesn't you know shock me that much but so here's what

01:30:33.000 here's I agree like you got me there man I but I don't but I also don't support

01:30:37.000 sending money to the Sudanese government I don't support the war there 800 0.81

01:30:41.000 $850 million obligated in 2022 to Sudan.

01:30:43.000 The war in Sudan, the current war in Sudan, is 2023 to the present, though there is ongoing Sudanese conflict that we've been involved in.

01:30:51.000 And the casualty, the dead, up to $13,000 to $15,000, with $33,000 additional injured.

01:30:54.000 15,000 with 33,000 additional injured.

01:30:58.000 And I don't know why we gave them a billion, near a billion dollars.

01:31:01.000 And in 2023, we don't have the final numbers from foreignassistance.gov, but Sudan, I believe

01:31:06.000 it's at what, 400 million?

01:31:08.000 Let me see if this thing loads.

01:31:10.000 $642 million amidst this civil war.

01:31:12.000 Why is the U.S.

01:31:13.000 involved?

01:31:14.000 It must be the Sudanese lobby coming to the United States and insisting that we give them money, isn't it? 0.99

01:31:20.000 It's not that I'm hypothesizing that there is an Israeli lobby.

01:31:24.000 There is one, and it's AIPAC, and it has billions of dollars that it funds to all these different politicians, and you won't have a hard time getting people like Ron Johnson or Rand Paul or Thomas Massey to criticize the war in Sudan.

01:31:35.000 You will actually get the hard time, even with those guys who have high integrity, in my opinion, to come out vehemently and criticize Um, the Israeli government, but also it's fewer deaths and it's less money.

01:31:46.000 So you have your answer right there.

01:31:47.000 There's a, there's a reason Israel is more pressing and it's because we're sending them more money and more innocent people are dying. 0.92

01:31:52.000 I mean, for me, it just feels like we have such a problem with corruption and getting involved in these wars in this country.

01:31:57.000 It seems like this entire 30 minute conversation is sort of irrelevant in that we should be focusing on the agreement that we're all agreeing to stop sending the money.

01:32:04.000 And what happens is when we get drug into the, but Israel's more immoral, I could easily push back and say, but here are certain things, and then we get involved in this, what I see as an unnecessary conversation for the people that we're trying to reach at this moment. 0.98

01:32:17.000 Granted, if we're sitting at the table with a bunch of lefties, or we're sitting at the table with a bunch of, like, evangelicals that think we need to defend Israel because, you know, the resurrection's coming, then yes, your arguments don't...

01:32:28.000 Your argument changes when it comes to land, but I think that we're spending a lot of time disagreeing on something that we're basically all agreeing on 95% of what we're talking about.

01:32:36.000 The frustrating thing to me is that there are people who live in this world where Israel is the cause of literally everything. 1.00

01:32:41.000 That's true.

01:32:42.000 And, you know, I've talked about during Occupy Wall Street, that story I tell quite a bit, where the guy stands up and yells, what's wrong with you people?

01:32:49.000 It is fracking!

01:32:50.000 I've heard that story.

01:32:52.000 And just to be clear, that is not me.

01:32:54.000 I am not one of these people that thinks like Israel and especially like the people who are literally anti-semitic and they think the Jews are doing it.

01:32:59.000 I am not one of these people that think the Jews get us into every con.

01:33:02.000 Yeah, you said that before the show you were talking about this. 1.00

01:33:04.000 Yeah, and those people are stupid and wrong because you... 0.99

01:33:08.000 You create a barrier for Jewish people who might be critics of Israel to come on board and join your cause. 1.00

01:33:13.000 So I just want to be clear, I'm not one of those people.

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01:33:44.000 So, cherry blossoms.

01:33:45.000 It's beautiful.

01:33:46.000 But become a member at TimCast.com and buy Casper Brew Coffee at Casper.com.

01:33:50.000 Let's read your Super Chats.

01:33:51.000 Clint Torres says, Howdy people!

01:33:52.000 Right on.

01:33:53.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:33:54.000 says, Tim, today's culture war was good.

01:33:56.000 Never heard the guys, but I liked their words.

01:33:59.000 Rob nailed it.

01:34:00.000 White people love Trump.

01:34:02.000 First person to acknowledge rural folk even exist and are important to our nation.

01:34:06.000 I'm not surprised.

01:34:07.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:34:08.000 is a PA guy like you.

01:34:10.000 Awesome.

01:34:11.000 Peace.

01:34:11.000 He's biased is what you're saying.

01:34:12.000 This isn't even real.

01:34:14.000 He's just into Pennsylvania.

01:34:15.000 You guys all have this club.

01:34:16.000 I'll take it, yeah.

01:34:18.000 Collisionikoff says, Tim, please look into the story of the 8th graders in Connecticut being criminally charged over edgy speech.

01:34:24.000 Truly despicable.

01:34:24.000 Have you guys seen that story?

01:34:26.000 I haven't seen it.

01:34:26.000 I'm gonna check it out.

01:34:28.000 Fray Cain says, took fluoxetine, is that it?

01:34:31.000 As a kid, gave me some severe side effects.

01:34:34.000 Suicidal thoughts and extreme antisocial behavior.

01:34:38.000 Misdiagnosed with bipolar and stopped after 10 years.

01:34:42.000 Wow.

01:34:43.000 Brandon Norton says, I hope you guys are going to talk about the guy from Boeing who unalived himself and after was on his way back for a third day.

01:34:50.000 Yep.

01:34:53.000 Kendall Bird says, sorry for loss of Mr. Bocas.

01:34:55.000 Is there a plan for the successor to the mascot of Timcast?

01:34:59.000 Well, my idea was that we get another cat and we name him Snowball 2.

01:35:02.000 Oh, that's cute.

01:35:03.000 Yeah, and because, uh, do you guys understand that reference?

01:35:05.000 Simpsons.

01:35:06.000 That's right.

01:35:06.000 You mean the Simpsons, yeah.

01:35:07.000 So, uh, we've never had a Snowball 1, and I was like, we can't name another cat Bocas, so we'll get a cat called Snowball 2 as the joke, which is also a Simpsons reference.

01:35:16.000 I think it's cute.

01:35:17.000 Snowball 2.

01:35:18.000 Um, and it seems like most people are now asking for another cat, because everyone loved Mr. Bocas.

01:35:22.000 The funny thing is he destroyed everything and he pissed literally everywhere.

01:35:26.000 He hated using a litter box.

01:35:28.000 And it's like how he just had so much love.

01:35:30.000 It's just I'm sure I'm pretty sure this we're going to find piss from him somewhere and go, how did he get in here?

01:35:35.000 I was a fan.

01:35:36.000 He was an honorable cat, you know, a true statesman, if you will.

01:35:40.000 But he had some flaws, I will say.

01:35:42.000 And it was really unpleasant to walk up to your desk and realize that he had peed either on it or near it.

01:35:47.000 Or I think he got trapped in Carter Rinks' studio one time and he like pooped everywhere.

01:35:52.000 Look, look, look, he was extreme terrorist in some circumstances.

01:35:56.000 We don't know how he got in Carter's studio.

01:35:58.000 No, it doesn't make any sense.

01:36:00.000 And also, you know, praise be to Bogus, but they were gods.

01:36:04.000 Before he was sick, he found a way to get into the walls.

01:36:10.000 Yeah, I mean he did all kinds of crazy stuff.

01:36:12.000 Yeah, he was a crafty fella.

01:36:13.000 I like when he would come onto the show and like prevent me from camera switching because his tails just hit me in the face.

01:36:19.000 I'm pretty sure that in the walls he's probably pissed and we'll never find it and no one ever will and it'll be like 40 years later someone will be like remodeling and they'll go, what the?

01:36:28.000 It's like a stain.

01:36:30.000 And I'm pretty sure within the next few weeks or months, we're going to go into like an unused closet or something and just realize there's, you know, piss somewhere and that's what he did.

01:36:40.000 Shamus, the new cat, Shamus 1, not Shamus 2.

01:36:44.000 Shamus 1 does not- I think the cat is called Shamus 1.

01:36:48.000 Yes.

01:36:50.000 So Seamus One is a good dude, and he's our new cat.

01:36:53.000 He was living in our garage.

01:36:55.000 He was less than a year old when we found him.

01:36:57.000 Libby really is loving this!

01:37:00.000 That's just so funny!

01:37:02.000 Well yeah, Seamus Two is the cartoonist.

01:37:04.000 Seamus Two's gonna hate-tweet at you after this.

01:37:06.000 Sorry, Seamus is just really- You mean Seamus Two.

01:37:09.000 Or you're apologizing to the cat.

01:37:10.000 I'm now confused.

01:37:13.000 Well, the issue is Seamus 2 is never here.

01:37:15.000 Right, yeah.

01:37:16.000 So we're not gonna call him Seamus 2.

01:37:17.000 How could he be Seamus 1 if he's never around?

01:37:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:37:21.000 The cat is Seamus 1.

01:37:23.000 He's a good dude.

01:37:24.000 He doesn't pee everywhere and, uh...

01:37:26.000 Which one?

01:37:27.000 I'm now confused again.

01:37:28.000 Seamus one.

01:37:28.000 Oh yeah, Seamus two.

01:37:30.000 It was funny because we were hanging out and I mentioned passively, we had a guest over, they were getting ready for the show and I was like, oh, we gotta bring in Seamus to get his balls chopped off. 0.98

01:37:39.000 And then the guest started laughing. 0.97

01:37:41.000 And then I was just like, yeah.

01:37:43.000 And he was like, really, Seamus? 0.99

01:37:44.000 And I was like, yeah, we have him sleeping in the garage, but he's gotta go get his balls chopped off before he can come in the house. 0.99

01:37:49.000 And then he laughed and I was like, I'm not joking. 0.99

01:37:50.000 And he was like, what?

01:37:52.000 And I was like, I'm talking about the cat.

01:37:55.000 So we have removed his ability to reproduce.

01:37:58.000 I'm pretty sure Seamus One has siblings all over the area though.

01:38:01.000 So he was living in a garage, and then we trapped him, caged him, Stockholm Syndrome'd him, and then removed his testicles, and now he is a house cat who very much enjoys his new existence, though it is the end of his bloodline, but in the middle of the night you can hear a female cat in heat screaming, and I'm like, The mama cat didn't have one baby.

01:38:21.000 She probably had a bunch of babies and then they grew up and they're all over somewhere.

01:38:25.000 Yeah, the female cat screaming in heat is really, that'll keep you up nights. 1.00

01:38:29.000 They scream.

01:38:30.000 It sounds like a person too.

01:38:32.000 It freaks you out.

01:38:34.000 Someone's being murdered.

01:38:35.000 Also, nevermind.

01:38:38.000 Are you still thinking about, which names are you thinking about?

01:38:40.000 One or two?

01:38:41.000 No, no. 0.97

01:38:41.000 It was, it was, it was, um, be testicle cats. 0.97

01:38:46.000 Uh, yes, let's- oh, the spritzing. 0.98

01:38:47.000 Uh, here we go.

01:38:48.000 Juan Castle says, uh, first, any tips, fellas, for working in high-stress work?

01:38:53.000 What is- what is hi- it depends on the work, I guess.

01:38:56.000 Uh, stress ball.

01:38:57.000 You just squeeze it, argh, you get angry.

01:38:58.000 You know, I gotta be honest, people always said, drums are so great because you get all your stress out, and I was like, I have never felt relief from physically striking something.

01:39:07.000 Punching a pillow or squeezing a ball.

01:39:09.000 That doesn't do anything for me.

01:39:10.000 I don't know.

01:39:11.000 For me, my advice on work is as follows.

01:39:15.000 Either get a job that you hate and pays you tons of money so you can live the exact life you want when you're not at work, or get a job that you love that makes enough so you can eat.

01:39:23.000 So if you're in a high-stress job and it's not paying you enough... Why are those the only options?

01:39:26.000 Well...

01:39:27.000 What do you want to do?

01:39:27.000 Look Libby, you're not a man.

01:39:28.000 You don't understand.

01:39:30.000 It's not easy to get a job that you hate that pays you a lot because to get a job that pays you a lot you have to do well at it.

01:39:37.000 To do well at something you have to like it at least a little.

01:39:40.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:39:41.000 But I think a lot of people get stuck in jobs that they hate, and it doesn't pay much.

01:39:45.000 Yeah, probably it doesn't pay much because you're working a job you hate. 0.85

01:39:47.000 Like, how are you ever going to advance if you're just like, God damn, I gotta get out of here.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, I think, if you want to de-stress, to Libby's point, you actually, you do have to advance. 0.97

01:39:56.000 So if you are in a job that you hate, and it pays poorly, what I would do, and it's not going to be an immediate fix, but like, go, like, get a side hustle, but like, not like a stupid, you know, I don't know, that phrase sounds stupid, but I mean like, go, Like, I didn't have a journalism background, but I kind of DM'd my way and worked my way into journalism by writing op-eds and things.

01:40:14.000 Do something like that where you're building something you are passionate about, and results will ease that stress for you when you actually get another job with something you like or something like that.

01:40:24.000 But hone your skills, become smarter, and, you know, that's really probably the only way to get out of it.

01:40:28.000 The Cryogenic Drummer says, try a workout, Tim.

01:40:31.000 I've recently hired a personal trainer, and we're also doing work personal training sessions once a week.

01:40:38.000 And, uh, cause I skate all the time, so I got great legs, but I have zero upper body.

01:40:43.000 And so I was like, I've literally never done it.

01:40:45.000 And, you know, I was talking to the most trusted health professional in, in, uh, media, Joe Rogan, of course.

01:40:51.000 And he told me I had to lift.

01:40:52.000 He's like, you gotta start lifting, bro.

01:40:53.000 I was like, you gotta do it.

01:40:54.000 Keeps you young and all this other stuff.

01:40:56.000 And I was like, okay, so now I'm doing, uh, lifting and stuff.

01:40:59.000 And that makes you feel so good.

01:41:01.000 It's indescribable.

01:41:03.000 You know, I think the thing that never really got me when people were saying stuff like, do exercise and lift, is they always just be like, oh yeah, it's so good for you.

01:41:11.000 I'm like, it makes you feel euphoric.

01:41:15.000 Like, for like the hour or two after, you're floating.

01:41:18.000 It's remarkable.

01:41:19.000 And then the next day you wake up just feeling really good.

01:41:21.000 Well, in the words of Elle Woods, you know, exercise gives you endorphins, and endorphins make you happy, and happy people don't kill their husbands. 0.89

01:41:27.000 That's true.

01:41:28.000 That's right.

01:41:28.000 That's great.

01:41:30.000 Let's go!

01:41:31.000 Richard Cranium says, Tim, can I get a shoutout for my son Clayton?

01:41:34.000 Almost shared your birthday, born March 8th!

01:41:37.000 Wow, at 214!

01:41:38.000 Your talks on creating culture and shade trees made me realize children are how we make lasting change.

01:41:43.000 That is correct.

01:41:44.000 And then I always recommend...

01:41:47.000 Do not underestimate your children. 0.98

01:41:49.000 Children are not stupid, they have just not been programmed. 0.90

01:41:52.000 So, when you buy a brand new computer and it's got, you know, 10 terabytes or however many terabytes you put in it, the computer is no less good of a computer because you've never installed video games on it. 0.68

01:42:01.000 You guys just gotta do the work to install all the programs in the video games.

01:42:04.000 So, the mistake a lot of parents I see make is, I remember I was asking someone about their kid and if they were teaching him math or anything, like, ah, he's not ready for that, he's not smart enough.

01:42:14.000 And I was like, He won't be smart enough if you don't start teaching him.

01:42:17.000 He's definitely not now!

01:42:19.000 Here's what happens.

01:42:21.000 People always have this incorrect statement.

01:42:22.000 The incorrect statement that it is easier for children to learn language.

01:42:26.000 That's just ridiculously not true.

01:42:28.000 They're like, oh it's easier for kids to learn how to speak a language and I'm like...

01:42:32.000 The child is surrounded by people speaking, and it takes them a couple of years to learn to speak, and they're still not articulate.

01:42:38.000 A human being, an adult human, can become fluent in a Rom- if you have a European-based language, Romance or Germanic, it takes an estimate, I believe it's 44 weeks.

01:42:48.000 of training to become fluent, conversational in everything.

01:42:52.000 And if you are a European and trying to learn an Asian language, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Thai, etc.

01:42:59.000 It takes up to 80 or 90 weeks. It's more difficult because it's a different language structure.

01:43:03.000 But think about that.

01:43:05.000 In less than one year, an adult human can become totally fluent in another language.

01:43:13.000 So if you speak English, you want to learn Russian, if you are doing standard lessons, it takes you less than a year to do.

01:43:22.000 How long does it take a human to become fluent in a language?

01:43:26.000 Certainly a seven-year-old child can talk to you, But are they going to be able to articulate their thoughts about the intricacies of the politics in Lichtenstein or something like that?

01:43:35.000 Now, I'm not saying they have to know about the politics, but those words themselves.

01:43:38.000 So people are always like, kids learn language easier.

01:43:40.000 No, adults can learn language easier because they've been programmed, like we've developed those minds.

01:43:46.000 My ultimate point.

01:43:48.000 Get your kid on a skateboard, give your kid a baseball, give your kid a football, any kind of sport, and get them doing physical activity, mental activity, music, reading, all of it, and many parents will find, but my kid doesn't understand it.

01:44:02.000 They've never touched it before.

01:44:02.000 Well, of course they don't.

01:44:04.000 So, I think the first time I was ever shown a chess set, I was three years old.

01:44:09.000 I guarantee you, three-year-old Tim had no idea what was going on.

01:44:11.000 He was probably banging on the board and flipping pieces over.

01:44:14.000 But you just keep saying it.

01:44:15.000 This is the pawn.

01:44:16.000 This is what it does.

01:44:17.000 This is what it does.

01:44:17.000 This is the rook.

01:44:18.000 And then you build those neural pathways, so by the time the kid is old enough, they're really good.

01:44:23.000 This is why, you know, ask yourself, the professional baseball players, how old were they when they started playing baseball?

01:44:28.000 Super young.

01:44:29.000 Two or three?

01:44:30.000 And were they really even playing baseball?

01:44:32.000 But, you know, they were being exposed to it.

01:44:32.000 No.

01:44:34.000 So there you go.

01:44:35.000 All right, Christopher Back says, the only sol- or is it Backe?

01:44:40.000 The only solution is term limits.

01:44:41.000 Either commit to it or vote them out, all of them.

01:44:45.000 Yeah, I wish it were that easy, but there are challenges.

01:44:47.000 I think you- I think- check out the culture war episode we did with the former congressional staffers to understand the issue of term limits.

01:44:54.000 Because Congress is non-existent.

01:44:57.000 Don't- there's no Congress.

01:44:58.000 It's just pay-to-play.

01:45:00.000 I ran for Congress and it was a special election in 2019.

01:45:03.000 There was one county that split in half in Pennsylvania, so half of our election was.

01:45:07.000 And the other half that I wasn't running for, a man by the name of Glenn Thompson, he's the longest serving Republican in Pennsylvania.

01:45:14.000 When you went to that county, it was the only county that they told you, don't talk about term limits because they love Glenn and he would be out.

01:45:22.000 Every other county, they wanted to hear term limits, term limits. 1.00

01:45:24.000 And it was amazing to me because as some just, you know, novice Rube, I'm just saying off the cuff what I really believe.

01:45:30.000 And everyone else is thinking... Oh, that's your first mistake.

01:45:31.000 Right!

01:45:32.000 Never say what you believe.

01:45:33.000 Whoopsie! 0.99

01:45:34.000 You know, everyone else knew.

01:45:35.000 Don't talk about term limits here.

01:45:36.000 J. Joan Clark says, Whitney Webb tells all.

01:45:39.000 Tim should really have her on with Dr. Steven Greer, at least culture war.

01:45:42.000 Sounds good.

01:45:42.000 Agreed!

01:45:45.000 Alright, Cornelius says, if McAfee isn't going to dismiss the charges, the best thing he could do for Trump is leave Fannie on the case instead of allowing a different, possibly more competent DA to take over the case.

01:45:57.000 That's why they're not doing it because they want to get it in as soon as possible.

01:45:57.000 But it would delay.

01:46:01.000 They don't care if they win or not.

01:46:02.000 They just want to delay and interfere with the election.

01:46:05.000 Max Reddick says, I remember Rob had a conversation with Destiny about Biden's business dealings.

01:46:09.000 He laid out the argument pretty well, but Destiny didn't buy it.

01:46:12.000 See, that's the issue with the left and the right.

01:46:18.000 We were talking about this earlier, the left will tell you things didn't happen, the right will agree on what happened, but disagree on what they mean.

01:46:24.000 I was thinking about this, and it's not absolute, but talking to Dave Smith, for instance, we're like, we agree X happened, and I'm like, yeah, but that will start to do Y, and he goes, no, Y's not gonna happen, it's gonna be Z! 0.60

01:46:36.000 And so it's like, we agree on reality, but what the probabilities are, are where we argue, and so we get along.

01:46:42.000 And then you see that clip with Destiny where he's like, they never said that vaccines were going to stop transmission.

01:46:47.000 And it's like, yes, yes, they did.

01:46:50.000 No, they didn't.

01:46:51.000 Yes, they did.

01:46:52.000 And then after the debate... Right, and then they play the montage of everybody saying it.

01:46:52.000 No.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:46:56.000 But you can't play the montage when you're live on Piers Morgan, so when the Democrats lie...

01:47:00.000 Well, the mistake people make is when I'm arguing with Destiny, I'm not arguing for Trump against Biden.

01:47:05.000 I'm arguing against these bureaucratic institutions.

01:47:08.000 My argument is the FBI treated Biden differently when he was doing a quid pro quo with your tax dollars to fire a prosecutor looking into his son's company.

01:47:17.000 Once that prosecutor was fired, his son's company benefits immensely.

01:47:20.000 And Destiny and the left's argument is, but you don't have proof that he did it for that reason.

01:47:25.000 It's just coincidence that by firing that prosecutor, it ended up massively benefiting Hunter Biden's company.

01:47:30.000 And my argument is, why didn't the FBI look into this and have a commiserate investigation until they did the Donald Trump with Russia collusion?

01:47:36.000 Well, what they're saying now is, look, we know that they called DC asking for help dealing with the prosecutor who was investigating this company.

01:47:43.000 And we know, several months later, Joe Biden flew there and said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.

01:47:48.000 Five days later.

01:47:49.000 Five days later?

01:47:50.000 I thought it was like five months.

01:47:51.000 They said, according to Devin Archer, literally when he says, I heard them say, call DC, which Archer assumes was Joe Biden.

01:47:57.000 It was five days later he was on a plane.

01:47:57.000 It was five days later?

01:47:59.000 And Biden's assistant has said on tape.

01:48:01.000 Right, right, right.

01:48:01.000 But it wasn't, I'm pretty sure the, if you don't fire the prosecutors, you're not getting a billion dollars, was several months after.

01:48:07.000 Oh, no, no.

01:48:08.000 That was, he flew to Ukraine.

01:48:09.000 It was scheduled.

01:48:09.000 It was five days later.

01:48:10.000 Now he announced it in his famous Council on Foreign Relations speech months, like years ago.

01:48:14.000 Right, right, right.

01:48:16.000 So then they go, and that may have all happened, but you can't prove that Biden was told to do it.

01:48:21.000 And it's like, that's not how we handle adjudication here.

01:48:21.000 He did it for that reason.

01:48:25.000 It's something called beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:48:28.000 I hate to wax on about this, but think about this.

01:48:31.000 They say that, well, just because it could have personally benefited Hunter Biden, that doesn't mean that's the reason that Joe Biden did it.

01:48:37.000 Therefore, no need for a special counsel.

01:48:39.000 And yet, if you remember, the special counsel under Trump of Mueller was appointed because every Democrat, every Republican said, fire James Comey.

01:48:47.000 Then they fired him and people said, yeah, but Trump did it for personal reasons, possibly.

01:48:50.000 So why doesn't that apply to Biden as well?

01:48:52.000 Let's read some more.

01:48:53.000 He says, Hi, Tim.

01:48:53.000 We got Remi.

01:48:54.000 I'm getting married tomorrow.

01:48:55.000 I want to give a shout out to my beautiful wife, soon-to-be wife, Valencia. 1.00

01:48:59.000 I love you, baby.

01:49:00.000 Congratulations.

01:49:01.000 Good sir.

01:49:01.000 That's so great.

01:49:02.000 That's so cute.

01:49:03.000 What a good use of a super chat.

01:49:04.000 That is really good.

01:49:04.000 I really like that.

01:49:06.000 X Tin Man says, 30 plus years air traffic controller, retired.

01:49:09.000 These kinds of incidents have been happening forever.

01:49:11.000 The internet magnifies things.

01:49:13.000 Agreed.

01:49:14.000 Yeah, people definitely turn their attention and look.

01:49:16.000 Like when we had all the train wrecks.

01:49:18.000 Yeah.

01:49:19.000 That's reassuring.

01:49:19.000 Muddy... Muddy... Yeah, there were a lot of train wrecks there for a minute.

01:49:22.000 But apparently there are thousands, like over a thousand every year.

01:49:25.000 Muddy Drip says, Boeing employee here.

01:49:26.000 These issues coming up lately are maintenance issues by the airlines.

01:49:30.000 Check warranties on airplanes.

01:49:31.000 Interesting.

01:49:32.000 That's interesting too.

01:49:33.000 I saw a viral video where someone- What did he say?

01:49:36.000 That the planes are getting- Warranties.

01:49:37.000 It's the maintenance.

01:49:38.000 It's not the manufacturer.

01:49:39.000 It's the airlines aren't maintaining them properly.

01:49:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:42.000 There was a story- I did just say, yeah, I had to get my whole brakes fixed.

01:49:46.000 There was a story at O'Hare when I worked there where a guy crashed a tug into a plane.

01:49:51.000 A tugboat?

01:49:53.000 No, a tug.

01:49:54.000 Those are the things that they drive around in airports to pull bags and move things.

01:49:54.000 What's a tug?

01:49:58.000 They're called tugs.

01:49:59.000 And if you've ever played GTA, you can drive a tug.

01:50:03.000 Anyway, I think what happened was he was not paying attention and he crashed into the back of a plane.

01:50:10.000 It basically destroys the plane.

01:50:11.000 You can't fly it anymore.

01:50:12.000 And so he just pretended to black out.

01:50:16.000 Yeah, so he just falls on the steering wheel and just sits there and waits.

01:50:20.000 And then someone comes out and they're like, what happened?

01:50:21.000 And he's like, oh man, I must have blacked out.

01:50:25.000 And so they can't do anything because it's a medical emergency.

01:50:28.000 If he said I wasn't paying attention, then they'd... Yeah, that was quick thinking by that guy.

01:50:31.000 It's actually pretty smart.

01:50:33.000 I just blacked out.

01:50:36.000 Where we at?

01:50:38.000 Duty Ron says, Tim, I remember seeing you at the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2012.

01:50:42.000 I was an active NYPD detective.

01:50:44.000 Here, here, remember Hipster Cop?

01:50:46.000 He retired.

01:50:47.000 Do you guys know Hipster Cop?

01:50:48.000 No.

01:50:49.000 He was a community affairs... community... I think it's community affairs?

01:50:53.000 I think he was a detective, but he wore these like...

01:50:58.000 Like, very fashionable outfits.

01:51:01.000 You know, I don't know how to describe it.

01:51:02.000 He had glasses and he was reported in the press as the hipster cop.

01:51:05.000 Was he wearing like, he wasn't wearing cop uniform, he was like a detective or something?

01:51:10.000 Yeah.

01:51:10.000 Street clothes.

01:51:12.000 Wearing Versace out there.

01:51:13.000 Hipster cop.

01:51:14.000 Like undercover at Occupy?

01:51:16.000 See, I thought of Radio 911 when he said hipster cop.

01:51:19.000 I thought like kind of a crazy outfit, but I've never heard of him.

01:51:22.000 Rick Lee.

01:51:23.000 Hipster cop.

01:51:25.000 Yeah, look him up.

01:51:26.000 You'll see the clothes he's wearing.

01:51:27.000 He was a celebrity.

01:51:29.000 He would walk around and like, the community of relations, the community affairs, NYPD, they're like supposed to try and talk and negotiate with protests and stuff like that.

01:51:37.000 And locals.

01:51:39.000 Let's grab some more super chats while we're here.

01:51:43.000 Beef Nasty says, Guys, Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan, Afghanistan, NATO, all of them.

01:51:47.000 Our dollar is backed by war, control of goods, it's simple yet complex.

01:51:51.000 Yup.

01:51:52.000 So he's in favor?

01:51:53.000 I don't think he's saying he's in favor.

01:51:55.000 Okay.

01:51:56.000 I mean, I agree with him.

01:51:57.000 I would just let the dollar fall and also end the wars.

01:52:01.000 Katie Maria says, Zion cast Tim getting so defensive of Israel as usual.

01:52:06.000 See, that's what I'm talking about.

01:52:07.000 When I'm like, I don't understand why we're funding Israel or any one of these other countries, and I don't care for any one of these singular countries.

01:52:14.000 I think we should stop funding all of it.

01:52:15.000 People go, you're defending Israel! 0.71

01:52:17.000 And I'm like, that's what I'm talking about.

01:52:19.000 Because, like... Well, Tim, to his point, I will say, I don't think you're Zio-cast, but I do think... Zion-cast. 1.00

01:52:25.000 Zion-cast. 1.00

01:52:26.000 But, um... No, that's Don Shapiro.

01:52:29.000 So I remember when I was on here last time, you were ready, and we went in together on Zelensky and on Victoria Nuland and on the people who perpetrated the war in Ukraine.

01:52:37.000 I don't hear you going in on Israel in the same way.

01:52:40.000 I get that you're not against the funding, but you're a vehement critic of Zelensky.

01:52:49.000 Why not Netanyahu?

01:52:52.000 Right now, what is, like, the principal war where we have a world leader with nuclear weapons threatening to nuke us right now?

01:53:00.000 But do you think Iran has any nuclear capabilities?

01:53:03.000 And I actually don't know.

01:53:05.000 I know that we've lied about it a lot.

01:53:07.000 I know that we launched Stuxnet with Israel to blow up their nuclear capabilities. 1.00

01:53:11.000 And I know that while we are effectively in proxy war with Iran and have been trying to invade Iran, it's a huge, huge mistake.

01:53:19.000 I think we shouldn't be funding any of these foreign wars.

01:53:22.000 I think I'm tired of the moralizing on Israel-Palestine, and too many people are deeply obsessed with this one country.

01:53:28.000 Okay.

01:53:29.000 Fair enough.

01:53:30.000 I mean, from nuclear weapons, from our standpoint, obviously... The moralizing is what bothers me the most.

01:53:30.000 I agree.

01:53:35.000 Okay.

01:53:36.000 Let me ask you on the moralizing, why does that bother you?

01:53:38.000 It's an obsession.

01:53:40.000 But if it's true that it's a moral atrocity, why are you angry at the people trying to make that case?

01:53:46.000 How many people have been killed in China?

01:53:48.000 We are Muslims.

01:53:49.000 People make that case too.

01:53:51.000 List to me the atrocities of the world.

01:53:52.000 Tell me why I should care about one over the other.

01:53:54.000 Well, because one, we're funding, and that's the one that Israel's perpetrating. 0.90

01:53:58.000 Sudan.

01:53:59.000 We're also funding that one.

01:54:00.000 It's smaller and less people know about it, but it's the same sort of thing.

01:54:03.000 The issue with Sudan is that people should be angrier about the atrocities that they're being forced to fund. 0.90

01:54:09.000 And that's why it's like, I don't care for any one of them.

01:54:12.000 Stop spending the money.

01:54:13.000 The Sudan thing is not like we're funding war, although I think it's fair to say you can look in the budget and see that we are, but a billion dollars in quote-unquote developmental assistance?

01:54:21.000 I'm like, is that what they call War funding?

01:54:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:25.000 Right.

01:54:26.000 And so then, in Israel's case, 14 times that just in the last year.

01:54:30.000 But if you go back decades, it's probably way more.

01:54:32.000 So, wouldn't that therefore anger you more?

01:54:36.000 No.

01:54:37.000 My point is, someone goes, hey, should we be funding Israel?

01:54:40.000 And they go, okay.

01:54:40.000 No.

01:54:41.000 And then they go, should we be funding Ukraine?

01:54:43.000 I go, no.

01:54:44.000 I say, should we be funding Taiwan?

01:54:45.000 No.

01:54:46.000 Sudan?

01:54:47.000 And then they go, do you know how many kids are being killed every single day in Israel and I'm like, do you know how

01:54:47.000 No.

01:54:51.000 many kids are being killed in Sudan?

01:54:53.000 They go, no. And I'm like, why are you coming to me every day with this one place and knowing

01:54:59.000 nothing about anything else? Well, then in that case, I would say look more, you should have

01:55:04.000 Whitney Webb on like that guy said, it's a great idea. And look more into the Epstein-Massad

01:55:08.000 theory. And, you know, like, for example, Alex Acosta said he belonged to intelligence when he

01:55:15.000 Dershowitz got that deal.

01:55:16.000 Dershowitz also got the dancing Israelis off. 0.99

01:55:18.000 People know about that.

01:55:20.000 Dershowitz said on Kim Iverson's show, oh, I've been working for the state of Israel long before you were born.

01:55:24.000 Well, he's a defense attorney.

01:55:26.000 Dude, I just got to tell you.

01:55:29.000 There's more than what I just said.

01:55:30.000 I mean, there's the Robert Maxwell, who was literally Mossad and was like an arms trafficker for Israel.

01:55:34.000 Here's what I think.

01:55:35.000 He's Ghislaine's dad.

01:55:37.000 So my point is, you should look into things like that and realize they do have a lot of influence over this country, and that would anger you more to be exploited, presumably.

01:55:43.000 I think Israel hires all of the anti-Israel people on purpose to create this faction of incessant annoying people on Twitter to push as many people as possible away from the issue.

01:55:54.000 There's a difference between Sudan and Israel.

01:55:56.000 I'm sorry that my arguments aren't working on you.

01:56:00.000 I would equate the Ron DeSantis supporters with the anti-Israel faction on X. It's like this weird, vicious, pitbull-biting, snarling intensity.

01:56:16.000 I'm not trying to do that with you.

01:56:17.000 Have I done that tonight?

01:56:18.000 I'm not trying to.

01:56:19.000 The point I'm bringing up with you is that Like right now, if we're objectively analyzing global conflict, Ukraine receives the most money.

01:56:28.000 It's a direct conflict between NATO and a nuclear power.

01:56:31.000 I agree with you on all this.

01:56:32.000 And it is the most pressing military threat.

01:56:35.000 And you made an atrocity moral argument about Israel without knowing the same details about Ukraine.

01:56:40.000 I'm not saying you're not allowed to make that argument, I'm saying... I didn't know the exact number of civilians killed.

01:56:46.000 And my point is... But last year I could have... I mean, like, that doesn't debunk, like, you know, the whole argument.

01:56:50.000 I didn't say debunk.

01:56:50.000 Debunk?

01:56:51.000 I said, what I see is, for some reason, a hyper-fixation from too many people on one country, when the United States is spending combined untold billions all over this planet on things we should not, And when you go to someone... Alex Jones, I saw him on C-SPAN a long time ago.

01:57:11.000 And this was probably like in 2008 or something.

01:57:13.000 And I can't remember what it was, but the camera guy, the guy reporting was like, oh we've got Alex Jones.

01:57:18.000 And he goes to the camera and starts screaming, PEOPLE YOU AREN'T LISTENING TO ME!

01:57:20.000 THEY'RE COMING HERE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY!

01:57:21.000 THEY'RE TAKING YOUR INCOME!

01:57:23.000 And I was like, well, he just lost every single person he could have convinced.

01:57:25.000 No, I totally agree with that.

01:57:27.000 That's a great point.

01:57:29.000 Can I give you two other examples of things that are different?

01:57:31.000 One, example one could be, and you tell me what you think of this, if the U.S.

01:57:35.000 wasn't funding Israel, they would still be bombing Gaza. 0.57

01:57:37.000 Whereas in Ukraine, if we weren't funding, they would have to come to the negotiating table.

01:57:42.000 No, I actually disagree.

01:57:43.000 I think if we didn't, I mean, Ron Paul, also a courageous man when he was in the Congress, was actually willing to criticize Israel.

01:57:50.000 He made the argument that actually if we cut off all funding to Israel, they might start playing nice with their neighbors because right now they know that the U.S., even more so than Ukraine, they know that the U.S.

01:57:59.000 is going to back them in a big regional war.

01:58:01.000 So no, I think if we actually cut them off, they would perhaps stop bombing.

01:58:05.000 I don't think it's as clear as Ukraine.

01:58:06.000 The other thing I'll say real quick is there are people in positions of power and certainly in certain cultural institutions that are on both sides of the Israel-Palestine debate.

01:58:16.000 That's not the case with Ukraine.

01:58:17.000 When we talk about Ukraine, it's because there is near uniformity from the left, from the right, from every institution, from students to entertainers.

01:58:25.000 It's all, we gotta back Ukraine, we gotta back Ukraine. 0.90

01:58:28.000 Whereas Israel-Palestine, you get lost in the shuffle. 0.87

01:58:30.000 Like Chuck Schumer's out there.

01:58:32.000 Chuck Schumer's out there today saying, we need to get rid of Bibi.

01:58:35.000 Like, so it's not as if they're all in lockstep.

01:58:38.000 In Ukraine, it's like everyone's in lockstep, so you need a countervailing force. 0.96

01:58:41.000 There are, like, lefties in the media that, you know, still have influence.

01:58:44.000 We give money to 179 foreign countries.

01:58:45.000 Oh, it's wild.

01:58:48.000 But Tim, what I would ask you is, do you not see the shift from Ukraine to Israel in kind of the U.S.

01:58:54.000 foreign policy circles?

01:58:56.000 That there is, and it's been harder for Ukraine to get the funding now because Israel's also on the tip. 0.53

01:59:00.000 Do you not see that shift?

01:59:01.000 And does that not kind of make you go, oh, Ukraine might be winding down?

01:59:04.000 Did you know that the U.S.

01:59:06.000 reduced its orders for ordinance?

01:59:10.000 Is this like an executive order from the Biden administration?

01:59:12.000 ordinance for desert conflict and switched it to Pacific conflict.

01:59:15.000 Is this like an executive order from the Biden administration?

01:59:20.000 There was a military budget.

01:59:21.000 I can see in the zeitgeist that there is a shift to the Indo-Pacific for sure.

01:59:25.000 So it's not Israel. 0.76

01:59:27.000 It may shift now because...

01:59:29.000 How about I finish?

01:59:30.000 I agree.

01:59:31.000 It may shift to Israel because of what's going on, but in the mid to end of last year, the reporting that we covered was the U.S.

01:59:42.000 had been ordering large amounts of missiles specifically for the weaponry that we have in the Middle East, and they reduced dramatically those purchases and shifted towards naval weaponry and ordnance.

01:59:55.000 leading many analysts to indicate the US is gearing up for conflict with China over Taiwan,

02:00:00.000 especially with the treaty that we have with the treaty we had with Australia,

02:00:04.000 the deployment of US personnel and as well to the to the Indo-Pacific. So that seems to be their

02:00:11.000 main play. Plus, with the concern over Thucydides trap and the likelihood of conflict with China,

02:00:15.000 that seems to make a lot more sense, especially considering China is a nuclear power,

02:00:20.000 has been working with Russia.

02:00:21.000 We now have this two-pronged front where Israel is a regional conflict, which may rope in another one of the BRICS allies, Iran.

02:00:30.000 That is still secondary.

02:00:31.000 In fact, it may be a third step.

02:00:34.000 From Ukraine and Russia, then China, Taiwan, and then Israel.

02:00:39.000 So based on purchasing, based on scale, and based on historical precedent, it seems the bigger conflict is going to be China-Taiwan.

02:00:47.000 I agree.

02:00:48.000 China-Taiwan is by far the scariest.

02:00:50.000 The bright side is it hasn't started yet.

02:00:52.000 I mean, your point of Israel is more underway, like a potential conflict with Iran is more underway than China-Taiwan, but I agree with you. 0.98

02:00:58.000 If you listen to like Uh, bipartisan foreign policy staff.

02:01:02.000 They are, like, the focus is on 100% China, and that would be by far the worst. 0.78

02:01:06.000 I mean, the U.S.

02:01:07.000 in a direct hot war with China, um, would be terrible, and we would all agree on that, so that's scary, and I hope we avoid it, but I really want to avoid all three, because all three can go nuclear, potentially. 0.85

02:01:17.000 Um, Iran's perhaps in the form of, like, a dirty nuke or something like that, but... Agreed. 1.00

02:01:22.000 It's terrifying, and we should avoid all of these things.

02:01:25.000 Um, so, you know, I can't disagree with what you just said. 0.94

02:01:29.000 My final point on this is that there are a lot of people, if you go on X, Where it's just like, holy shit, dude, calm down. 1.00

02:01:39.000 What the fuck? 0.98

02:01:40.000 Well, there is literal, like, anti-semitism, too, where it's like, you know, they take the charts of the Jews and, you know, and media and all that stuff. 1.00

02:01:46.000 There are people who, like, their emotions go from zero to eleven when the issue comes up, and they start bashing their faces figuratively against the table when it's like no other issue causes that.

02:01:58.000 But, I want to read one last super chat.

02:02:00.000 This was interesting.

02:02:02.000 TRD says, New York Post, Don Lemon demanded Cybertruck $5 million advance, equity in X, before Elon Musk canned him.

02:02:09.000 Fact check confirmed!

02:02:10.000 New York Post reports, Don Lemon demanded Tesla Cybertruck $5 million advance, equity in X, before Elon Musk canned him.

02:02:18.000 So it's no wonder why Don Lemon was told to screw off.

02:02:22.000 Uh, wow.

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02:02:51.000 Liam, you want to shout anything out?

02:02:53.000 You can follow me at at Cosgrove underscore IV on Twitter.

02:02:58.000 I wish we'd talked about the TikTok bill.

02:03:00.000 I think it would have been more fun and less, you know, high stakes.

02:03:04.000 If you go to my Twitter right now, you will see Tucker Carlson just tweeted a video of me giving Dan Crenshaw a hard time on the Hill.

02:03:11.000 That's kind of what I do is, you know, go to the Hill and interview congressmen and then go to press briefings in DC and stuff.

02:03:21.000 Um, you can find me there, and sadly we didn't get to argue about TikTok, but off-air, Tim and I were going at it on that too, so... Well, Tucker said Biden would have the power to ban any news site that challenges him, and that's factually false.

02:03:33.000 I think that's... Fact check false.

02:03:35.000 I don't know if we have time to do this, maybe we can do it in the... I'll keep it simple for you.

02:03:38.000 He can't ban any website.

02:03:40.000 Well he can actually, so if they have a million monthly users and only one user has to post stuff and be able to contribute, so that could be a new site.

02:03:53.000 I mean if you have a million monthly users, which isn't that hard.

02:03:55.000 So first, not any, that's factually false.

02:03:58.000 Secondly, it doesn't ban the site, it requires a forced divestment.

02:04:01.000 I've estimate within six months and it has judicial is a judicial review

02:04:06.000 process as authoritarian and it's it's to say outright the bill allows Biden to

02:04:12.000 do this my argument is it would be like going Donald Trump is a nationalist and

02:04:16.000 he is also a white man therefore he's a white nationalist and it's like okay

02:04:19.000 well that's like technically semantically true that's not real but

02:04:22.000 it okay so any not any a month a million monthly users but that like if you add

02:04:27.000 the a million monthly users caveat it is a true statement.

02:04:30.000 And it has to be connected to one of four countries.

02:04:33.000 There's... Yeah, but that's up to their, that's up to their claim to make.

02:04:36.000 It just says controlled or at the direction of some other countries.

02:04:39.000 And you have, and... They said that about zero hedge in 2022 when the war broke out.

02:04:42.000 And then you have to look at legal jurisprudences to whether someone can functionally just claim and it becomes legal.

02:04:48.000 It doesn't.

02:04:49.000 We know that with Trump and the insurrection clause in the 14th amendment.

02:04:52.000 So, none of that even matters.

02:04:53.000 You have a chance to petition it, but the president can claim that you're at the direction of Iran and can ban your thing.

02:04:58.000 Here's my point.

02:04:59.000 Two-state.

02:05:00.000 The bill would give Biden the power to ban any news website that challenges him is factually incorrect.

02:05:05.000 With a million plus viewers?

02:05:06.000 No, it's factually incorrect.

02:05:07.000 If you add the a million plus, how is it incorrect?

02:05:09.000 And I could be a millionaire tomorrow if I buy a lottery ticket.

02:05:11.000 A million monthly users is not that much.

02:05:14.000 A million monthly users, I mean like... Yeah, I'm not even arguing the subparagraphs.

02:05:18.000 What else do you need in addition to a million monthly users for that statement to be correct?

02:05:22.000 He cannot ban any website that challenges him.

02:05:24.000 Okay, he can force them to divest.

02:05:26.000 He can try to force certain websites to divest from resources and assets pertaining to one of four countries that have already been codified by Congress.

02:05:34.000 If he claims that the news organization is at the direction or control of one of those countries.

02:05:38.000 Which doesn't change anything I said.

02:05:39.000 It is factually incorrect to say that Biden could ban any, any, any.

02:05:43.000 We're done.

02:05:44.000 Hey! 0.99

02:05:45.000 Yeah, that was round two.

02:05:47.000 We got to hear that earlier tonight, too.

02:05:48.000 So yeah, my name's Rob Noor.

02:05:50.000 N-O-E-R-R. 1.00

02:05:51.000 I am a conservative debater.

02:05:53.000 I stream on Rumble, Twitch, YouTube.

02:05:55.000 You can find me if you look up my name, Rob Noor, in any of those places.

02:05:58.000 I love taking and wrecking these left-wing streamers that think that they're somehow impressive debaters. 0.61

02:06:03.000 They're not.

02:06:04.000 I focus on corruption and sort of the two-tier justice system to me more than any individual politician, Biden, Trump, Hillary, whoever.

02:06:12.000 These institutions that exist in perpetuity that put their thumbs on the scale are more of a threat to our country than any individual politician.

02:06:20.000 And so that's what I like to focus on.

02:06:21.000 I was honored to come on here.

02:06:23.000 I enjoyed this thoroughly.

02:06:24.000 Thank you so much for having me.

02:06:25.000 Hope to do it again.

02:06:26.000 Absolutely.

02:06:27.000 I should say that as well.

02:06:28.000 I really do appreciate, and I know I've been argumentative and all that, but I really appreciate the invite.

02:06:31.000 Thank you, Cassandra, for inviting me on.

02:06:33.000 Come back anytime.

02:06:33.000 No, I agree.

02:06:34.000 I've had a lot of fun.

02:06:35.000 I'm not trying to lie in terms of this TikTok bill.

02:06:38.000 But anyways, I really appreciate it.

02:06:40.000 I'll make one last point on the TikTok bill.

02:06:42.000 And great to meet you three also in person for the first time.

02:06:44.000 I'm sorry I've monopolized here.

02:06:46.000 I'm an argumentative guy.

02:06:48.000 My last point on the TikTok bill.

02:06:50.000 Yuri Bezmenov warned that communists are going to try to indoctrinate our youth and manipulate them.

02:06:55.000 TikTok is the clearest example of them doing that.

02:06:57.000 For some reason, people are against Yuri Bezmenov's warning at this point, which doesn't quite make sense.

02:07:02.000 And I see the likes of Tucker Carlson and many other personalities coming out without actually breaking down the full context of the bill.

02:07:09.000 And saying things that I believe are gross misrepresentations or extreme exaggerations of what is likely going to happen.

02:07:16.000 Where the argument turns into, but the government is corrupt and does corrupt things.

02:07:20.000 To which my response is, LavaBit was an email service provider that was providing secure services.

02:07:26.000 The NSA approached them with a national security letter in 2013 and they were forced to shut down or comply with the government.

02:07:32.000 This bill does not give more power to the already near-absolute powers the government has, including the Obama NDAA indefinite detention provision, which allows them to hold secret military tribunals to rendition you in the middle of the night to an offshore location where you could disappear forever, and they claim that's been codified by Congress.

02:07:51.000 This bill is stamp collecting relative to what the deep state and the security intelligence agencies already have.

02:07:58.000 And that being said, Hannah Clare, you want to shout anything out?

02:08:00.000 Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.

02:08:02.000 I'm so happy I got to be here so much this week.

02:08:04.000 It's been fun to see everyone.

02:08:06.000 Of course, you should absolutely follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram because that's where Scanner's news work goes out.

02:08:13.000 I posted a, you know, it's Women's History Month.

02:08:16.000 None of the men in this room acknowledge that tonight, but I have a profile up about Melissa Mayer, the former CEO of Yahoo and the controversies she caused among working moms.

02:08:26.000 So please go check that out.

02:08:27.000 I don't know if it's up yet, but it should be up soon.

02:08:30.000 If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Twitter, I'm on Instagram at HannahClare.B.

02:08:35.000 Libby, so fun to see you!

02:08:36.000 It's great to see you guys.

02:08:37.000 Great to be here tonight.

02:08:38.000 You can find me at LibbyEmmons on Twitter, and you can check out all the great work we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com.

02:08:45.000 Tim, real question on the communism thing, to fight communism.

02:08:48.000 I will ask this question, then I won't argue.

02:08:50.000 Sir, I have a life, I have to go home.

02:08:53.000 Tim, don't you think it is kind of a communist tactic to be banning, you know, a platform that millions of people are using to, you know, post things and interact?

02:09:00.000 No.

02:09:01.000 That's not a communist tactic, banning a speech platform.

02:09:04.000 If China was selling designer drugs to our children, I'd say we should ban that product. 0.97

02:09:08.000 And then if they came out and said, yeah, but it's not illegal in the United States, I'd be like, then we should make it illegal.

02:09:12.000 You're selling drugs to our kids. 0.99

02:09:15.000 I don't understand the issue of, like, this country is our enemy who has, like, tried to destroy us, and is super corrupt, and is undermining our trade policy, our foreign policy, they're buying up our farmland, they're gutting us from the inside out.

02:09:27.000 We desperately need to take action against them, and the only reason action can be taken now is because Democrats love Israel so much they agreed to finally sign onto a bill that would do something about it. 0.94

02:09:37.000 I'm also seeing tons of personalities sharing the Restrict Act, trying to claim that's the actual bill, and that's just like, why are so many people posting false things about this?

02:09:49.000 I can only conclude that some people genuinely don't like the bill, I can respect that.

02:09:53.000 Some people don't understand they're being misled and they're sharing provisions from the restrict deck, which is wrong, or they're sharing only snippets.

02:09:59.000 But I also do believe it is a fact.

02:10:01.000 It is a fact that TikTok has been sending push notifications and telling people to go out and advocate and defend their platform.

02:10:08.000 That is an example of an exertion of authority of a foreign power against us, which I think is horrifying.

02:10:14.000 But That being said, I think diplomacy can work with China.

02:10:18.000 China the solution to Tim's point.

02:10:20.000 I think diplomacy can work, but I won't argue any further.

02:10:22.000 We don't have an after show on Fridays, but what you guys should do as soon as we wrap is go over to Tenet Media and watch the Culture War, which we had with Rob this morning.

02:10:29.000 Great conversation.

02:10:30.000 You guys can follow me at kellenpdl and happy Friday.

02:10:33.000 All right.

02:10:34.000 That wraps it up then, right?

02:10:35.000 All right, everybody.

02:10:36.000 We'll see you all on Monday.

02:10:38.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:10:39.000 Done.

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