Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - FBI CAUGHT Rigging 2020 Election, Leaked Chat Logs PROVE COVER UP w-Michael Malice | Timcast IRL

00:02:22.000 The GOP has released chat logs from the FBI which show that the FBI knew the Hunter Biden laptop was real.

00:02:29.000 And in a shocking story from the National Review, the FBI imposed a gag order on one of these agents who was trying to inform Twitter on the day of its release that, in fact, it was real.

00:02:41.000 Intel officials, or personnel of some sort, were leaking to the press, notably the AP, that the story, in fact, was potentially Russian disinformation.

00:02:49.000 And then 50 Intel officers, or individuals, which you're aware of, rushed to the press to claim the story was, in fact, fake.

00:02:56.000 The FBI knew the entire time the story was real.

00:03:00.000 Now, why would they do this?

00:03:02.000 Well, look, this is not the first time we've heard a story like this, related to this.

00:03:05.000 We knew that the intelligence agents knew exactly what was going on.

00:03:09.000 What they were doing and what they were talking about.

00:03:11.000 And so, it is quite interesting to say the least.

00:03:14.000 We're going to talk a bit about that, plus we've got a bunch of other stories in Seattle.

00:03:17.000 We were going to go into this yesterday, we missed it, but about $47 million lost business as people are fleeing the city due to crime.

00:03:23.000 And the DOJ is going to seek the death penalty for Luigi Mangione.

00:03:26.000 There's a few other stories.

00:03:27.000 Notably, that Cory Booker has been on a 24-hour, I guess, 24-hour filibuster or speech.

00:03:34.000 He's broken the record.

00:03:35.000 And good for him, I suppose.

00:03:37.000 Plus, we've got a MSNBC producer who's fled the country because of Donald Trump's fascism, and he's terrified Trump will pull his passport.

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00:04:32.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Michael Malice!

00:04:35.000 Hi everybody!

00:04:37.000 Who are you?

00:04:37.000 What do you do?

00:04:38.000 Oh, you want me to introduce myself?

00:04:39.000 Hi, I'm Michael Malice, host of your work with Michael Malice.

00:04:42.000 My last book was called The White Tale, A Tale of Good and Evil.

00:04:45.000 I'm gonna be drafting another book at the end of month, and we were back here to discuss it, and it'll be a lot of fun.

00:04:49.000 It is kind of hard to hear what you're saying.

00:04:51.000 Is that true?

00:04:52.000 I wonder why that is.

00:04:53.000 Anyway, thanks for coming.

00:04:54.000 Shane's hanging out.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, it's great to be here.

00:04:56.000 Hello, Michael.

00:04:57.000 Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live.

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00:05:02.000 Happy April Fools.

00:05:03.000 Here to remind Phil that we definitely landed on the moon.

00:05:09.000 Hello, everybody.

00:05:10.000 My name is Phil LaBonte.

00:05:11.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:05:13.000 I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

00:05:15.000 Let's go.

00:05:16.000 Here's a story from the National Review.

00:05:18.000 FBI imposed gag order on analysts who told Twitter Hunter Biden laptop story was real.

00:05:26.000 The FBI silenced an employee who tried to tell Twitter the Hunter Biden laptop story was real on the day it came out.

00:05:32.000 Newly released Chat Logs show.

00:05:34.000 On October 14th, 2020.

00:05:36.000 The day the New York Post first reported on the Hunter Biden laptop, the FBI told employees do not discuss the Biden matter and imposed a gag order on an analyst who tried to confirm the story's veracity to Twitter during a meeting, according to chat logs released by the House Judiciary Committee.

00:05:51.000 An FBI official with the Bureau's Foreign Influence Task Force, Laura Demlow, previously testified that an analyst on call with Twitter confirmed the laptop was real, Before an attorney for the FBI told the social media platform it would not comment further.

00:06:03.000 The chat logs show FBI personnel deliberating on how to handle the laptop situation.

00:06:07.000 One FBI official instructed the rest to not discuss the Biden matter, and subsequent messages reiterated that order.

00:06:13.000 After the meeting, the FBI placed a gag order on the analyst who was admonished by FBI staff for speaking up during the meeting.

00:06:19.000 An FBI staffer lamented that the analyst won't sick shut up.

00:06:23.000 As instructed, the chat logs show, the FBI has declined to comment.

00:06:28.000 Now, here's where it gets interesting.

00:06:29.000 Combine this with a story going back to, what's the date on this one?

00:06:33.000 October 17th, 2020.

00:06:35.000 Titled, Biden email episode illustrates risk to Trump from Giuliani.

00:06:40.000 Now, instead of the AP saying explosive emails leaked, they were claiming that Giuliani was a liability, writing a New York tabloids puzzling account about how it acquired emails purportedly from Joe Biden's son has raised some red flags.

00:06:54.000 One of the biggest involves the source of the emails, Rudy Giuliani.

00:06:57.000 Giuliani has traveled abroad looking for dirt on the Biden's developing relationship with shadowy figures, including a Ukrainian lawmaker who U.S.

00:07:04.000 officials have described as a Russian agent and part of a broader Russian effort to denigrate the Democratic presidential nominee.

00:07:10.000 Yet Giuliani says foreign sources didn't provide the Hunter Biden emails.

00:07:14.000 He says a laptop containing the emails and intimate photos was simply abandoned in a Delaware repair shop, and the shop owner reached out to Giuliani's lawyer.

00:07:22.000 That's how the media framed it.

00:07:24.000 We then, of course, saw the narrative.

00:07:25.000 Fifty intel agents and officials have come out and said it's a Russian disinformation campaign.

00:07:30.000 Yet they knew the entire time.

00:07:32.000 Now, it's important because I believe Facebook, Twitter shut down this story.

00:07:38.000 You couldn't share a link to the New York Post.

00:07:41.000 They shut down the Post entirely.

00:07:42.000 Yes. Right.

00:07:43.000 And the New York Post, I believe, is what, the fourth oldest newspaper in the country.

00:07:47.000 Founded by Alexander Hamilton, yes.

00:07:49.000 And see how it's denigrated by the AP calling it a New York tabloid, a puzzling account.

00:07:55.000 How could this have happened?

00:07:56.000 Now, the response from a lot of people is, why would they do this?

00:07:59.000 This is not the first time we've heard the FBI was aware of what was going on and that Intel officials were lying about it.

00:08:05.000 Trump has revoked their security clearances.

00:08:07.000 I think it's fairly obvious.

00:08:09.000 The polls have shown that this laptop was very bad for Joe Biden.

00:08:12.000 and There were several polls that came out showing, had people gotten access to the story, it would have changed their opinion on how they were going to vote by a couple percentage points.

00:08:21.000 And that couple points was enough to win Donald Trump the election.

00:08:24.000 I think it's fair to say the FBI was shutting the story down because they sought to empower, protect and push Joe Biden as president.

00:08:32.000 There's a lot.

00:08:33.000 Can I say some things?

00:08:34.000 Because there's a lot here to unpack.

00:08:35.000 Indeed. First of all, someone who was born in the Soviet Union, it shocks me that FBI agents would put this stuff in writing.

00:08:42.000 Because I'm not kidding at all because these people are spooks they know their jobs They know once you put something in writing.

00:08:48.000 It's really hard to get it out of existence number one.

00:08:51.000 We were never told What those hallmarks of Russian disinformation were.

00:08:55.000 They use that term, hallmarks of Russian disinformation.

00:08:58.000 What were these hallmarks?

00:08:59.000 Like what cues did you have?

00:09:00.000 That he's shirtless?

00:09:01.000 That he has a cigar?

00:09:02.000 So there's just two things that at least don't pass the sniff test.

00:09:05.000 And here's the other thing.

00:09:06.000 I think everyone knew that when Krash Patel took over, the FBI was prepared for like a hostile takeover.

00:09:12.000 But what they couldn't be prepared for is just leaking stuff to what they did.

00:09:16.000 Stuff that was unambiguous, not like these hidden stuff, but stuff that they did in public and that they were never held accountable for.

00:09:23.000 So I think this is just absolutely hilarious.

00:09:25.000 And I think Trump is not going to stop because just recently when he talked about the pardons not being valid for Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, he's letting people know, I'm not letting you guys get away with what you pulled with me.

00:09:36.000 So it's your sense that he's going to actually go after these people?

00:09:39.000 I mean, don't you think he will?

00:09:42.000 I'm asking your opinion.

00:09:43.000 I think he's very clearly being vindictive in the best possible way when he's pulling security clearances, when he's going after law firms.

00:09:49.000 And he believes, and he's right, that if you're going to abuse your power, unless you have consequences for it, you're going to do it again.

00:09:55.000 And why wouldn't you?

00:09:56.000 So that being your opinion, what are the chances of him being successful in your estimation?

00:10:02.000 Do you think that it's going to be railroaded by people in the FBI?

00:10:06.000 Do you think the FBI is going to be able to actually bring charges on people?

00:10:09.000 Do you think that there's going to be evidence there?

00:10:10.000 My definition of success is going to be different for some people.

00:10:13.000 In my opinion, these people should be in jail for a very long time.

00:10:16.000 I'm looking for that at all.

00:10:17.000 But if you're someone who's an FBI official, or officer, and that gives you a lot of status and heft, and you get to brag to all your friends, and you could be a lobbyist.

00:10:27.000 If you're publicly disgraced, and you never spend a day in jail, that to me is enough of a consequence, and I'll take what I can get.

00:10:32.000 You guys actually think the FBI would want a medal in our elections?

00:10:37.000 Oh, okay, never mind.

00:10:39.000 Have they ever done such a thing before?

00:10:41.000 I mean, the FBI and the CIA have been weaponized against the American people for maybe since they began.

00:10:47.000 Maybe I'm crazy, but my view is largely that the areas surrounding, and tell me if I'm crazy, Michael, the areas surrounding DC are like the capital city in the Hunger Games where people don't really do real work.

00:10:57.000 They're political operatives who get I think I'd tweak it a little bit because I really do think, especially under J. Edgar Hoover, I can't speak to more recently, they really regard themselves as above the presidency.

00:11:19.000 Like, they were the nobility.

00:11:21.000 Like, they had a lot of presidents under the thumb.

00:11:23.000 They certainly have a lot of, to this day, senators.

00:11:28.000 bodyguards, they regard themselves as the power behind the throne, I think.

00:11:31.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:11:32.000 The shocking part of the JFK files that was just different angles of Operation Mongoose for the CIA is secretly talking in rooms about destroying entire crops in Cuba with biowarfare.

00:11:41.000 You know, it's not like they stopped doing that either.

00:11:43.000 These guys are just extensions of the militant.

00:11:47.000 And here's the other thing, like senators come and go, congresspeople come and go, presidents eight years, they're playing the long game that they're thinking long term.

00:11:55.000 So they're much more entrenched as an aristocracy than any politician in a sense.

00:11:59.000 So Donald Trump is, for now, what have we seen directly targeting individuals like this in the bureaucracy?

00:12:07.000 It's stripping security clearances.

00:12:10.000 The rumor is stripping their clearances is step one.

00:12:14.000 before arresting and prosecuting them.

00:12:16.000 I don't know that we'll see something like that.

00:12:18.000 That seems pretty out there.

00:12:20.000 I don't know.

00:12:20.000 What do you think?

00:12:20.000 You know, it does seem a little bit out there.

00:12:22.000 But at the same time, if we went back in time and said, look, I know today Andrew Cuomo is America's governor, and he's going to be the replacement for Joe Biden in 2020.

00:12:32.000 And I'm a Cuomo-sexual, is what Trevor Noah was saying.

00:12:35.000 And then in a few weeks, he's going to be driven from office and no one's going to take his calls.

00:12:39.000 And yet he's trying to return to power now.

00:12:41.000 We wouldn't have seen that coming.

00:12:42.000 So I think a lot of the stuff that Trump is doing now, none of us saw it coming.

00:12:46.000 The fact that he's repealing a DEI executive order from the Lyndon Johnson era, the fact that he's actually taking steps to dismantle the Department of Education, these are things we're like, look, I'll take what I can get.

00:12:57.000 If he closes the border, brings down the budget, it's a win.

00:13:01.000 So we're not even 100 days in, and this is all uncharted territory, in my opinion.

00:13:06.000 We deserve accountability.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, I'm in agreement with Michael.

00:13:10.000 There's so many things that have happened in my lifetime that were completely and totally outside of the realm of possibility. 0.96

00:13:16.000 Donald Trump winning, to be honest with you, the first time was completely ridiculous. 0.84

00:13:21.000 The idea that he would go away... 0.96

00:13:23.000 Or getting nominated!

00:13:24.000 Honestly, 100%, 100%.

00:13:25.000 And the idea that he would go away and come back, completely and totally outside of what most people would expect.

00:13:31.000 Then the fact that he's actually carrying out a lot actually change what future presidents are going to have to do, because they're not going to be able to make these promises and just be like, oh, no, you know, I couldn't get it done.

00:14:01.000 It's like, well, Donald Trump did, or at least try.

00:14:03.000 Let me say one more thing.

00:14:04.000 Phil and I know spring chickens.

00:14:06.000 This is the first president in either of our lifetimes who has over-delivered on his promises.

00:14:10.000 100%. This has never happened before.

00:14:12.000 It's not a thing.

00:14:13.000 I agree.

00:14:15.000 I have issues.

00:14:16.000 I have concerns.

00:14:17.000 I'm curious what you think, Michael, about with these deportations.

00:14:21.000 When it comes to constitutional rights of individuals in this country, the reason why they extend in a limited fashion to non-citizens is because if the government was allowed to say, you're not a citizen so you're under arrest.

00:14:33.000 Then the rest of the rights don't apply because they'll just use that as pretext every time they want to arrest you.

00:14:37.000 Yes. There'd be no Fourth Amendment. 0.99

00:14:38.000 They'd say, well, we arrested him on legal grounds.

00:14:40.000 He was suspected of being an illegal immigrant.

00:14:42.000 We're allowed to do that.

00:14:43.000 The problem then is Joe Biden lets in 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants, many criminals, and Donald Trump is going to extreme ends to try and get as many as he can deported from this country.

00:14:52.000 And they're trying to use that to stop him.

00:14:55.000 There's no middle ground.

00:14:56.000 There's no fence.

00:14:56.000 It's literally a razor's edge.

00:14:58.000 Which side do you fall on?

00:14:58.000 How do you deal with this?

00:14:59.000 Well, I think this is the middle ground.

00:15:00.000 I think the actual side would be mass deportations.

00:15:04.000 He's not really doing that at all.

00:15:05.000 He's making it much harder to get in.

00:15:07.000 He's making it harder to stay here.

00:15:09.000 He's encouraging people to self-deport.

00:15:10.000 But in terms of like the Eisenhower level, which I can't even say the name of it, on the show, where they really rounded people up, what FDR did with Japanese Americans, we're not seeing anywhere near the numbers.

00:15:20.000 So this, what we're seeing is the moderate position.

00:15:23.000 Yeah. That's a really good point.

00:15:26.000 There have been far more extreme measures taken by previous presidents.

00:15:30.000 Principled! Principled, fair enough, fair enough.

00:15:34.000 Principled measures taken by previous presidents than what Donald Trump is doing.

00:15:38.000 I mean, look at the FDR, you mentioned the internment camps, but the FDR...

00:15:42.000 The presidency, the changes that FDR made just through executive order, the things that he tried, were completely unprecedented and changed the structure of the federal government in ways that people prior to FDR never would have believed and a lot of people would have totally rejected had it not been for the Great Depression.

00:16:02.000 Can I say one more thing?

00:16:03.000 Sorry, I don't want to interrupt, but I can't tell who's talking.

00:16:06.000 It's alright.

00:16:06.000 If I tell this to people nowadays, they'll think it's a joke.

00:16:09.000 FDR made it illegal to own gold.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:12.000 You could have your wedding ring and like some jewelry, but it was illegal for a citizen to own gold.

00:16:18.000 And people hear this, they're like, ChatGPT, is he talking crazy?

00:16:21.000 No, that literally happened and it was Nixon who overturned that.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, so it's from FD for and it wasn't so it wasn't just a short period of time It was from literally from what night of 1941 or something like that when when FDR was elected I think he's 33 was he a sworn-in 33. Okay, so from 33 until until the 70s LBJ, right Nixon I think it was Nixon.

00:16:41.000 So that wasn't that would yeah, it was in the 70s So that was you know, 30 years 35 years something like that and then five minutes before that in The money was redeemable in gold.

00:16:50.000 Yeah. So if I had a dollar and it was worth that much in gold, I could go to any bank and say, give me this in gold.

00:16:55.000 And it went from that overnight, basically, to you can't have gold at all.

00:16:58.000 Yeah. The idea that the changes that Donald Trump Democrats tend to over-deliver though, to be honest. How so? At least I would say in my lifetime, to be fair, it's actually just one Democrat that I can talk about.

00:17:26.000 Obama, he very much over-delivered on the amount of children that he killed and the war expansion.

00:17:31.000 Oh, I see what you did there, Dad.

00:17:33.000 He told us he would give us zero dead Americans, and he gave us many. 1.00

00:17:37.000 Tim's been a dad for five minutes.

00:17:38.000 He's doing dad jokes.

00:17:40.000 I mean, literally, the Obama administration did actually deliver something that the Democrats had been promising forever, even though it was a watered-down, terrible Policy, the ACA, was something that the Democrats have been talking about.

00:17:53.000 It's not socialized medicine like they wanted.

00:17:55.000 No, no, it ruined the market in the United States and it's terrible.

00:18:00.000 They were promising single payer.

00:18:01.000 No, true, true.

00:18:02.000 Trump making all these changes.

00:18:03.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:18:03.000 He didn't give, you know, it is funny because what you get promised is not what they deliver.

00:18:07.000 Right. But anybody who knows anything about what the presidents have done in this country for the past 30 years, Obama delivered exactly what was expected times 10. Trump is attacking the system.

00:18:17.000 And that's why these people are going insane right now.

00:18:19.000 You know what else I said?

00:18:20.000 I said last year I was on Rogan and we talked about how Joe Biden had a body double because there's some footage where it looked like Joe Biden was much taller than jail.

00:18:27.000 And my thesis is this is Trump's body double because we sat through this guy for four years and this is a completely different person.

00:18:36.000 Perhaps. Let's jump to this next story.

00:18:37.000 We got this from CNBC.

00:18:38.000 Ladies and gentlemen, big news.

00:18:39.000 The DOJ is seeking the death penalty for Luigi Mangione in the Brian Thompson murder case.

00:18:48.000 So, I think this was expected.

00:18:50.000 Attorney General Pam Bonnie has ordered the Department of Justice prosecutors to seek the death penalty in the case against Luigi Mangione.

00:18:55.000 Now the question is, We know it was a cold blood.

00:18:59.000 He was accused.

00:19:00.000 There's two pieces of the story.

00:19:01.000 One, I don't believe, I don't actually believe right now, that Manjaoni's the guy.

00:19:05.000 I still don't, I don't believe that.

00:19:06.000 You think it's Patsy?

00:19:07.000 Well, I don't know.

00:19:09.000 So, we'll get into that.

00:19:10.000 The other question I have, of course, is will leftists venerate him as a martyr, as they're already basically doing, should they pursue this?

00:19:20.000 And the risk is then, in any kind of escalation, this is a story that they would seek Quite like to inspire other extremists.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, they're gonna bury him in a gold casket like they did with Floyd They make martyrs out of these people.

00:19:34.000 I don't know.

00:19:35.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:19:36.000 I don't know that I was after him, right?

00:19:38.000 I don't well, yeah, and they didn't know that that's Can I ask a question for everyone because I guess I know people their things are gonna be one or two things Here's the real good question And people hate these kind of questions, because like, would you rather have the flu or cancer?

00:19:53.000 Like, it's too bad choice.

00:19:54.000 I'll give you two bad choices.

00:19:55.000 You have to pick one.

00:19:56.000 Who would you regard as more of a hero?

00:19:59.000 Luigi Mangione or George Floyd?

00:20:03.000 That's the question.

00:20:06.000 He didn't hold a pregnant woman hostage.

00:20:12.000 Well, but we're not talking about the past of what they...

00:20:15.000 We're talking about the key moment that they were in.

00:20:16.000 No, we're just talking about which one of these people would you consider more of a heroic figure?

00:20:20.000 Yeah, Mangione.

00:20:21.000 Yeah. Because of...

00:20:22.000 Now, I must clarify.

00:20:25.000 What we're saying is...

00:20:26.000 No clarification!

00:20:27.000 No. On a scale of...

00:20:28.000 Tim Toole endorses Mangione murder!

00:20:30.000 On a scale of 0, negative 100 to positive 100, where anything in the negative spectrum is villainy and is not heroic, Adding increments to it in any degree is more heroic than the other, then sure, we could put George Floyd at negative 50 and Mangione at negative 49. There's not a big difference between the two, in my opinion, but the question, I suppose, is that Mangione was driven by an ideological pursuit and George Floyd was just a drug user behind the wheel of a car.

00:20:57.000 Sure. So it's not so much that it's heroic, it's that his actions were politically motivated, so...

00:21:03.000 I think...

00:21:04.000 I'm gonna say this...

00:21:05.000 Actually, I'm gonna pause.

00:21:06.000 I take it back.

00:21:06.000 George Floyd.

00:21:07.000 I'm going to be very factual.

00:21:08.000 George Floyd wasn't intending to destroy the world.

00:21:10.000 So if we're basing it on a scale of not the actions you took for ideological reasons but the amount of good you're doing in the world – Luigi Mangione is much, much lower on the scale than George Floyd was by simply George Floyd being a drug addict.

00:21:23.000 So here, let's have this debate, because it's kind of a fun one, because I think everyone in this room agrees that Luigi Mangione should be in jail, and this guy's not a good guy, so we're all on the same page.

00:21:32.000 That's our context, broadly speaking.

00:21:34.000 But I think I will defend it when kids wear those Che Guevara shirts, because there's the idea of Che Guevara, and there's the reality of Che Guevara.

00:21:41.000 Just like for boomers, there's the idea of Reagan and the reality of Reagan. 0.89

00:21:45.000 Right? I think we all can understand that.

00:21:47.000 The idea of what Luigi Vangioni did is very different from the reality because he didn't fix anything.

00:21:53.000 The CEO got replaced in five minutes.

00:21:55.000 The company didn't change their policies.

00:21:58.000 No good, even by his own standards, follows the consequence except for a lot being taken and people, if anything, having more sympathy for the health care companies than before.

00:22:06.000 But the idea that when things get horribly wrong, it falls on people to take direct action.

00:22:13.000 I think that is a very American idea, and I think that idea has something to it, to speak very tactfully.

00:22:20.000 Indeed, I do have to say it, unfortunately, but Michael, nobody can hear what you're saying.

00:22:25.000 Really? Yeah.

00:22:26.000 Oh, damn it. 0.99

00:22:27.000 Okay, what do we do? 0.99

00:22:28.000 Maybe put a little space between it so your voice can be heard.

00:22:32.000 Is this better?

00:22:33.000 No, but maybe- Disperse?

00:22:34.000 Cut a hole into the mask?

00:22:36.000 Yeah, I mean- That's gonna ruin the whole thing!

00:22:37.000 With a box cutter?

00:22:37.000 It is, and I don't want to say anything until the last minute, but basically everyone's saying they can't hear what I'm saying.

00:22:42.000 Okay, I'm taking it off.

00:22:43.000 I'm taking it off.

00:22:45.000 I did the bit.

00:22:48.000 You can breathe.

00:22:48.000 Oh my god, the question is Michael Malice?

00:22:51.000 It's been Luigi Mangione the whole time.

00:22:53.000 I had no idea.

00:22:54.000 Okay, that's fine.

00:22:54.000 I did the bit.

00:22:55.000 Let's get back to the point I was just making, though.

00:22:57.000 There is something to be said, and again, we have to be very tactful because I do think it's dangerous when you discuss these things on a place with a big audience, because there are...

00:23:04.000 If you have a million...

00:23:05.000 Tim Ferriss had this great piece.

00:23:07.000 He goes, look, things happen as a function of scale, right?

00:23:10.000 If you, like, think about how one in a million people are, like, literally crazy in the sense, like, they think they're married to you.

00:23:15.000 Yep. The audience has a million people and you say, hey, you should do something.

00:23:17.000 One of those people is going to do something very, very bad and crazy.

00:23:21.000 So my point is, but there is something to be said for this idea of direct action.

00:23:25.000 And John Locke talked about it.

00:23:27.000 Thomas Jefferson talked about it.

00:23:29.000 When things reach a point, at a certain point, it's like someone's like, I'm going to do something about this.

00:23:33.000 I'm going to put a stop to this once and for all.

00:23:35.000 The issue, I suppose, is I don't...

00:23:39.000 So let's go back to the initial point of the debate.

00:23:42.000 When I initially said Luigi, it was under this pretext of a man, as you're describing, driven to do something about what he perceives as a problem is more heroic than a drug addict.

00:23:50.000 But when I actually map it out on a scale of goodness and heroism, George Floyd wins easily.

00:23:54.000 The act of a guy sitting on a park bench with his finger up his nose is more heroic than Luigi Mangione.

00:23:59.000 You can argue that...

00:24:02.000 I suppose the definition of how you're using heroic is what I would contest.

00:24:06.000 Heroic, in my mind, is for the betterment of society, altruistic...

00:24:10.000 Oh, I don't think that at all.

00:24:11.000 Sorry. So by heroic, you just mean someone who's willing to take action?

00:24:15.000 In pursuit of his values.

00:24:18.000 Are you using just a moment?

00:24:19.000 But what if his values are to, like, genocide a group of people?

00:24:23.000 Well, I mean, it's gonna be hard to do it by yourself.

00:24:26.000 I don't think his values are entirely wrong.

00:24:29.000 I think at a certain point when you're dealing with a system that is a very, what?

00:24:33.000 Go ahead.

00:24:34.000 I think, and again, I'm speaking broadly.

00:24:36.000 I'm not speaking about his specifics.

00:24:37.000 I do not agree with him at all in this case.

00:24:40.000 But I think, like, if you look at things within nursing homes, I'm surprised that no one did something similar.

00:24:45.000 When you have a system and you've tried every...

00:24:47.000 Here's an example that everyone in the audience will be able to understand.

00:24:50.000 If you have a dad, and this dad learns that someone did something to their kid, right?

00:24:55.000 There's been many cases like this.

00:24:56.000 And the dad's like, you know what?

00:24:57.000 The guy got acquitted.

00:24:58.000 I'm not gonna go to meet my maker without having to do something about it.

00:25:01.000 I think that dad is a heroic figure.

00:25:03.000 I disagree.

00:25:05.000 I disagree because it's not black and white.

00:25:12.000 It's not yes or no.

00:25:14.000 The reason why I'd say Luigi Mangione is not a hero, he's a villain.

00:25:17.000 Because what you're describing is the backstory of villainy the same as it could be for heroism.

00:25:21.000 Sure, that's true.

00:25:22.000 And so the question is, is what they did...

00:25:24.000 Don't tell me what the question is.

00:25:25.000 I know what the question is.

00:25:26.000 Indeed. In this regard, we are wondering, was the outcome of what he did for the betterment of society?

00:25:33.000 I would argue the inverse.

00:25:35.000 He's a villain.

00:25:35.000 I agree with you it wasn't for the betterment of society.

00:25:37.000 He's a villain.

00:25:38.000 By his own standards... 0.85

00:25:39.000 He's a villain.

00:25:39.000 Okay. By his own standards, he didn't accomplish what he wanted.

00:25:42.000 Now that I have the mask on, I can tell more.

00:25:45.000 Someone, a dad, husband died.

00:25:47.000 People have more sympathy for the healthcare companies.

00:25:49.000 It's not like his mom got better.

00:25:51.000 Like, none of his goals got checked off.

00:25:53.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:25:53.000 Broadly speaking, though, I think there's something admirable where someone is like, not him, in cases where like, the law failed me, I'm not just gonna sit on my hands.

00:26:02.000 But you're talking about, if we step back from this story, Way back.

00:26:07.000 Yes. To the point where there was a young man who said, I have been injured and ruined by this failed industry.

00:26:13.000 Right. At that point, and he said, I will stop at nothing to fix this system.

00:26:17.000 Oh no, just to destroy the system.

00:26:19.000 Right. Sure.

00:26:20.000 At that point, you have a spark of motivation.

00:26:24.000 Sure, yes.

00:26:25.000 Whether he goes down the dark path or the light path is where we determine whether he's heroic or villainous.

00:26:29.000 Sure, that's fair.

00:26:30.000 And he went the villainous path.

00:26:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:32.000 I agree.

00:26:33.000 So my point is, But I think George Floyd just, it's very hard to have anything heroic about him.

00:26:38.000 Yeah. My, and, and I would, my argument would be doing nothing is more heroic than what Luigi Mangione did.

00:26:45.000 I, I think...

00:26:46.000 I'll put it this way.

00:26:47.000 Okay. Let me say this.

00:26:48.000 A woman gets her purse snatched. 0.90

00:26:50.000 Sure. And there's a guy sitting on the bench chewing on a speedball whacked out of his mind.

00:26:54.000 Speedball? What the fuck? 1.00

00:26:55.000 That's, that's what George Floyd was chewing on. 1.00

00:26:57.000 Oh, okay.

00:26:57.000 It's a, it was meth and fentanyl, I believe.

00:26:59.000 Is that a thing?

00:26:59.000 Yes. Yeah.

00:27:00.000 It's called a speedball.

00:27:01.000 Man, I'm old.

00:27:03.000 So, George Floyd was behind the wheel of a car chewing on a speedball.

00:27:06.000 That's why they pulled him out.

00:27:07.000 This guy's whacked out of his mind.

00:27:08.000 A woman gets her purse stolen, and there's a guy sitting on a bench chewing on a speedball who watches it happen as she runs screaming.

00:27:14.000 Who's more heroic?

00:27:16.000 The guy who stole the purse and ran off, or the guy sitting on the bench doing nothing?

00:27:20.000 Well, the issue is, on a scale from villainy to heroism, As you become more villainous, you're dropping lower on that scale, away from heroic.

00:27:29.000 The guy sitting on the bench doing nothing is closer to a hero than the villain who stole the purse.

00:27:33.000 The villain who stole the purse isn't being guided by any sort of principle.

00:27:38.000 He needs the money because his daughter's sick and he has spytamiflu.

00:27:40.000 Well, I mean, that's a very bad way to get money is some lady's purse. 1.00

00:27:44.000 It's a very bad way to stop the healthcare industry.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, but I'm...

00:27:47.000 Sure, but my point is, I think it is...

00:27:53.000 I don't know how to put this tactfully, and again, if people are going to hear that I'm defending him, I'm trying to take out the context of what he did specifically.

00:28:00.000 I think, broadly speaking, America would be better served if more people were, instead of sitting on their hands, were like, this stops with me. 0.99

00:28:11.000 And I think if more people did that in their communities, a lot less bullshit would be—oh, sorry, crap—a lot less crap would have gotten away with it. 0.98

00:28:16.000 That's all I'm saying. 0.99

00:28:20.000 I'm trying to be very academic here.

00:28:22.000 Developmentally disabled individuals doing random acts of violence that don't actually solve any problems. 1.00

00:28:27.000 When I say be an active participant, I'm talking to our fans to literally go to a bar or a pub and sit down with like-minded individuals and organize.

00:28:36.000 I love it.

00:28:36.000 I cannot endorse that more.

00:28:38.000 And I explain it like this.

00:28:40.000 The last thing, you know what I'm a fan of?

00:28:42.000 I was talking about how I love these Jason Statham movies, where he basically just goes around just beating the crap out of people.

00:28:47.000 Because they're always him saying, please leave me alone.

00:28:50.000 Like Beekeeper?

00:28:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:51.000 He retires, he's minding his own business, and they bring the problem to him.

00:28:54.000 I love, I love John Wick.

00:28:56.000 You know why?

00:28:57.000 He's a, he's a crazy, he's Baba Yaga. 1.00

00:29:00.000 He's dangerous. 0.99

00:29:01.000 But he says- She's not crazy!

00:29:03.000 You leave that, you keep her name out of your mouth.

00:29:05.000 Sure. But that's, that's Keanu Reeves' character in John Wick.

00:29:08.000 Is Baba Yaga?

00:29:08.000 Yes. Do you know what that is?

00:29:10.000 Yeah, the witch.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, from Russian.

00:29:11.000 And so they call Keanu Reeves in the movie Baba Yaga.

00:29:15.000 Oh, that's bizarre.

00:29:16.000 Okay, sure.

00:29:17.000 And he's minding his own business.

00:29:19.000 He lost his wife.

00:29:20.000 He has a dog.

00:29:20.000 And they came to him.

00:29:22.000 And then he unleashed hell upon them.

00:29:24.000 Okay, I agree with you.

00:29:25.000 The idea of the good man who doesn't instigate the conflict.

00:29:29.000 Yes. So what I want to see from the American people is, you know, let's go to COVID times, lockdowns.

00:29:36.000 Right. Okay, we're on the same page now, yep.

00:29:39.000 All the American people need do is say, ha ha ha, when they tried locking them down.

00:29:44.000 And that was the end of it.

00:29:45.000 Okay, let me take two more points.

00:29:47.000 I'm saying, broadly speaking, it's a good thing in any country when people who are powerful are a little scared.

00:29:54.000 I agree.

00:29:55.000 I totally agree.

00:29:55.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:29:56.000 And a little uncomfortable.

00:29:59.000 I think that's a very healthy position.

00:30:00.000 Because you know what?

00:30:00.000 We're scared.

00:30:01.000 You've gotten swatted.

00:30:02.000 I'm in Austin now.

00:30:05.000 I sleep with a firearm under my bed.

00:30:06.000 I think it's a good thing that I know that if poop hits the fan, I have to rely on me.

00:30:12.000 I think that's very healthy for any man in this country.

00:30:15.000 And the point I think you're getting at, what I'm trying to get at is, we are the people sitting at the bar saying, bro, we don't want to fight.

00:30:22.000 Please leave us alone.

00:30:23.000 Yes. And what could change everything is if the guy who walks in the bar looking for a fight, how about this?

00:30:31.000 Deadpool. It's always gotta be a movie with me, I'm sorry.

00:30:34.000 When the bad guys walk into the bar looking for Wade, and they shove that guy up against the wall, everyone in the bar stands up and points guns at the bad guys, and they say, okay, okay, okay, and they leave.

00:30:43.000 There's no fight.

00:30:44.000 They understood.

00:30:45.000 Nobody will tolerate what you're doing.

00:30:47.000 If during COVID, They said, we're locking everybody down.

00:30:50.000 If everybody, not even everybody, if 20-30% just kept doing their normal daily business, nothing would have shut down.

00:30:56.000 I'm going to take us two steps further.

00:30:57.000 There was a video I saw, I think it was Brazil, where someone tried to rob a convenience store and like five people drew on him and made him into Swiss cheese.

00:31:05.000 And a fan of mine retweeted, goes, this is the side I want to live in.

00:31:08.000 And I Completely agree because as New York Giuliani shows I do not know because it's a small percentage of people making 90% of the problem Once you do that in like two weeks, everything is fine.

00:31:18.000 Number one, but number two is I'm just gonna another point one of the things that stopped a Prohibition and this is not really they sweep this on the rug is enough police.

00:31:29.000 We're having things done to them They're like I'm not doing this anymore So if that had happened in COVID, if enough cops were like, I'm not sticking my neck out for something I don't believe in, the politicians would be powerless.

00:31:40.000 And my point is, I don't want to live in a society where a guy robs a grocery store.

00:31:44.000 I understand your point.

00:31:46.000 In the event someone does, you want society to say, we don't tolerate that.

00:31:49.000 That's right.

00:31:49.000 I think it's possible.

00:31:51.000 And we have to strive for a point where we are men of action, we are armed, we strike those against us, but no one dared do it in the first place.

00:31:58.000 Sure. We get beyond that.

00:31:59.000 And so with the police, We don't need Antifa to go around A-cabbing.

00:32:03.000 What we need is for when a cop who...

00:32:05.000 There was a story that I recorded for Today, it's actually gonna go up Friday, where they arrested a woman because her 10-year-old son walked to the grocery store.

00:32:11.000 Did you see this story?

00:32:13.000 And it was a lady cop, and she showed up and said, you're under arrest because your son was by himself.

00:32:17.000 That woman should never be allowed to buy a cup of coffee. 1.00

00:32:20.000 Nobody needs to go to her house, nobody needs to do anything like that.

00:32:22.000 It should be a function of society that when you violate...

00:32:26.000 Wait, wait, you agree that the mom should be in trouble?

00:32:29.000 No, I'm saying the lady cops. 0.55

00:32:31.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:32:31.000 You said lady.

00:32:32.000 I thought you meant the mob.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, the lady cops.

00:32:33.000 Of course.

00:32:33.000 Yes. Correct.

00:32:34.000 Yes. Okay.

00:32:34.000 Yes. Same page.

00:32:35.000 Sorry. When she walks into Valor General, they just say, get out.

00:32:38.000 Yes. Yes.

00:32:39.000 And she's like, but I need groceries.

00:32:40.000 That's too bad.

00:32:40.000 That's fine.

00:32:41.000 You can get whatever you want.

00:32:42.000 I'm just not here.

00:32:42.000 Exactly. And so the left is really good at that.

00:32:45.000 Yes. They did it with cancel culture.

00:32:47.000 Yes. So ultimately my point is I really don't like that there are a lot of conservatives that venerate violence as though it is the choice.

00:32:59.000 Like people say things like when we did the story on Tesla and the guy pulls in front of the lady and screams at her.

00:33:04.000 And then I hear from people saying, I don't ever get lucky like that.

00:33:08.000 And I'm like, bro, I'm sure there's a lot of combat vets that might have this mentality.

00:33:13.000 Almost all the people I know who have been in life or death situations wished it never happened where they had to confront someone with violence in that way.

00:33:21.000 We don't want that.

00:33:23.000 Look, I once saw a guy.

00:33:29.000 Sure, of course.

00:33:30.000 I saw, when I was covering Conflict and Crisis, I watched a guy get shot and killed.

00:33:34.000 Oh God.

00:33:35.000 And the feeling you get watching that happen is terrifying.

00:33:37.000 You mean because it won't go down?

00:33:39.000 The... The priapism?

00:33:41.000 Okay. I've also seen a man get turned, his legs turned into ground beef in a car accident.

00:33:47.000 Oh my God.

00:33:48.000 And what I will say to this is, you know, when I was younger, my dad was a firefighter and responded to deaths and people dying.

00:33:55.000 Explain that there's something about it.

00:33:58.000 People don't don't know unless you see it.

00:33:59.000 Like it's something that is an EMT.

00:34:01.000 I was driving once and I was Directly right at a scene of an accident again.

00:34:07.000 I've watched people die in conflict.

00:34:09.000 It was one one person I've watched I've seen die got shot in Egypt and in Driving down the down the road going from New York to DC and There was a car accident years ago, where a guy flew out of the car, landed on the ground, and I saw him lift his legs, and it was what looked like, I'm sorry to be crudicrous, ground chuck.

00:34:30.000 And the feeling that I got, there's no word for.

00:34:32.000 And I think it's because most people in this country have never experienced that feeling of watching extreme graphic injuries right in front of them, but it was a unique emotion.

00:34:43.000 That I don't have a word for.

00:34:45.000 And so when people glorify this stuff and make these jokes where they're like, I wish I got lucky and no you don't!

00:34:50.000 It's funny, because when people yell at me, oh, you're an anarchist, like you want this, I go, no, no, no, I'm an anarchist, because this is the thing I want the least.

00:34:56.000 I think when you have a society where it's a given that everyone looks out for each other on the street, you're responsible for your community, and so things like this, you don't have to, and the police, you have security that is accountable, and reliable, this happens less and less.

00:35:10.000 Just on a practical level, like this, the conversation that has kind of revolved around the psychological toll that that takes on a human being when you see those kinds of things, Just on a practical level, even if you're psychologically a tough person, if you engage with someone like that, you're going to have to spend an immense amount of money defending yourself in most states.

00:35:30.000 You're going to have to deal with all kinds of...

00:35:32.000 They're going to arrest you.

00:35:34.000 It's going to be a huge problem.

00:35:36.000 And not to minimize what you guys are talking about, the psychological stress at all, but there is no positive that comes from getting into an engagement like that at all.

00:35:46.000 I saw a body camera video from police.

00:35:49.000 I've been watching a lot of those.

00:35:51.000 And the cops were fired on.

00:35:52.000 And the cop fired back and killed the guy.

00:35:56.000 And the video was of the cop crying.

00:35:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:59.000 I don't think people understand the feeling you get and far be it for me to know.

00:36:03.000 But I'm sure, again, there's probably some combat guys out there who are carved out of stone and are just Stone face in this, but the stories I hear from most people is, it's a feeling you don't want.

00:36:15.000 Can we talk about this at some length?

00:36:16.000 Because I've been thinking about this for a while.

00:36:18.000 Let me do this.

00:36:19.000 I'll preface it with this story, because this goes into it.

00:36:21.000 This is a tweet that I put up.

00:36:23.000 We have this story that was posted today to r slash conservative from an individual, and maybe this is not true, but I think the story is more likely to be true than not.

00:36:31.000 But again, take it with a grain of salt.

00:36:33.000 This guy says, This is how you lose the average vote.

00:36:36.000 It's cartridge crusader 23, a top poster on the conservative subreddit.

00:36:41.000 He said, the leftists who are now attacking anyone who owns a Tesla are starting to affect people I actually know.

00:36:46.000 My friend's father has owned a Tesla for years, long before all this Elon Musk hysteria kicked off.

00:36:51.000 And he's definitely not someone I'd describe as a MAGA Republican by any stretch.

00:36:54.000 He's a kind, older guy, an Air Force veteran who now flies for Southwest Airlines.

00:36:58.000 He was driving in Arizona, minding his own business, when a random motorcyclist cut him off.

00:37:03.000 Pulled in front of his car at a four-lane intersection at a red light, kicked his bike stand, and started approaching the vehicle while yelling.

00:37:10.000 That's when my friend's dad pulled his handgun to deter the guy from attacking his car.

00:37:15.000 The gentleman then proceeded to pull out his phone, record the vehicle, and prevented him from leaving the intersection when the lights turned green.

00:37:21.000 He goes on to tell the story.

00:37:22.000 Basically, there's no escalation of conflict, no escalation of violence.

00:37:25.000 It's a crazy story.

00:37:26.000 He says that the man didn't want to press charges.

00:37:29.000 I'm the guy on the motorbike.

00:37:31.000 Many people in the Reddit are advocating that he do this.

00:37:34.000 Two things I want to mention in this in the first, the obvious.

00:37:37.000 Most of the stories that we're hearing about the Tesla attacks, this is the tip of the needle.

00:37:42.000 This is the tip of the iceberg.

00:37:44.000 Most of the people who are having this happen to them, they're probably not recording the videos and posting it.

00:37:47.000 They're probably sitting there dumbfounded like, I can't believe someone threw a rocket in my car.

00:37:50.000 The other thing to point out is, this guy, according to the story, pulled a gun.

00:37:55.000 And if these leftists keep up their attacks, some have been mass shootings.

00:37:59.000 The guy in Vegas, with a rifle, fired into the air at the building, fired into the building, and then into vehicles, before throwing firebombs.

00:38:07.000 Someone is going to get seriously hurt.

00:38:09.000 The left does not care.

00:38:11.000 This is what my concern is, because the right is not calling for this, not advocating for it, and even on shows like this, we keep saying, please, you do not want the violence.

00:38:18.000 That's right.

00:38:19.000 And as we've talked about the escalation of unrest throughout the past seven years, most of the people that I've brought on mention this.

00:38:27.000 You do not want civil war.

00:38:28.000 You do not want the unrest.

00:38:29.000 People don't understand how bad it really can get.

00:38:33.000 They think it's like movies.

00:38:35.000 People think war is this faraway land, and they need to look at what happened in Aleppo.

00:38:41.000 What's Aleppo?

00:38:42.000 Honestly, I don't know.

00:38:44.000 Gary. This city, the photos from Aleppo.

00:38:48.000 It is kind of funny that this is a great example of this, and Gary Johnson didn't know.

00:38:54.000 But just to clarify, the photos of Aleppo, of this beautiful town, normal shopping district, cars and fountains, and then you do a side-by-side and it's rubble and ash.

00:39:04.000 Can I?

00:39:05.000 Sorry, go ahead, Phil, please.

00:39:06.000 Well, just the people that talk about, you know, wanting that kind of conflict here, they need to understand that what it'll look like is cartel violence in Mexico.

00:39:19.000 That's what it would look like.

00:39:19.000 It wouldn't look like North and South.

00:39:21.000 That's what people think of when you hear phrases like Civil War and stuff like that.

00:39:25.000 They think that it would be, you know, somehow they'd be insulated.

00:39:28.000 North and South wasn't particularly nice either.

00:39:29.000 No, it wasn't at all.

00:39:31.000 100%. And I don't mean to minimize that, but it'll look like, I mean, It'll look like cartel violence.

00:39:38.000 It'll look like you find out that your cousin, his body was found in a landfill, you know?

00:39:45.000 Brewed, tortured.

00:39:46.000 So one of the reasons I wrote my last book, The White Pill, which is about the story of the rise and fall of the Soviet Union, is I'm very disturbed, and I'm sure everyone here agrees, with the fact that Yeah, absolutely. 0.50

00:40:03.000 it better that the Cold War ended peacefully?

00:40:06.000 Absolutely. And, like, you know, everyone kind of went home and things didn't work out that well for Russia.

00:40:11.000 as opposed to, like, invasions, thousands of civilians killed, people made orphans, you know, dismembered, maimed, and so forth, like World War I and World War II.

00:40:20.000 And I thought it was just very sad that that story isn't told and this happened within, you know, our lifetimes.

00:40:25.000 I also, to your other point, it's just, I know a lot of guys who are veterans, everyone here I'm sure does as well, and they do not ever think this stuff is like, yeah, more war.

00:40:38.000 I had Meghan McCain on my show, obviously John McCain's daughter. 0.60

00:40:41.000 She's as hawkish as you get.

00:40:43.000 And she's besties with Tulsi now.

00:40:46.000 And she says, I've changed my opinion on war.

00:40:49.000 Even though she still supports what's going on in Israel and Ukraine.

00:40:51.000 I go, what do you mean?

00:40:52.000 She goes, because my brothers have all deployed.

00:40:55.000 And now they're like the most anti-war people ever.

00:40:58.000 And they're like, they'll do anything to avoid war.

00:41:00.000 She goes, When I hear from them, she's like, I know this means something.

00:41:05.000 And when you talk to all of us who talk to veterans, they don't when they're talking about people they've killed, they're not like, hell, yeah, like some of them are maybe that's a bit of like pride.

00:41:13.000 But then on some level, everyone who talks about this, it's not easy.

00:41:17.000 I know just an animal level.

00:41:18.000 I've been told it's disrespectful to bring up in the presence, depending on who.

00:41:23.000 And again, I don't I'm not a veteran.

00:41:26.000 I don't know.

00:41:26.000 I grew up next to a military base.

00:41:27.000 So I saw a lot of people who were deployed and come back and Let's look at it this way.

00:41:41.000 Do you think you would be fine if you had to just, even just kill rabid dogs? 0.80

00:41:45.000 Like, you know the dog has to be put down. 0.98

00:41:46.000 It's not a human being.

00:41:48.000 It's going to do a number of years.

00:41:49.000 Bro, let me tell you about brother.

00:41:51.000 Brother Malice.

00:41:53.000 We had...

00:41:55.000 When we have critters on the property, it's like...

00:41:59.000 The the local laws require My understanding is that if there's a raccoon in the property it has to be put down Because of their rabies vector How many how many people actually want you know what let's let's not even go there How many people actually wanted to kill and slaughter the chickens to eat them right?

00:42:17.000 It's remarkable to be how very few people don't even want to do that right now.

00:42:21.000 I got to be honest I have no problem going to a farm and saying, I got one of my chickens from Chicken City, it is food.

00:42:27.000 Sure, sure.

00:42:28.000 We joke around about them, but they're there for a reason.

00:42:30.000 Largely, they're not broilers or layers, so we don't really eat them.

00:42:34.000 But we do eat the roosters.

00:42:35.000 But I'll eat an animal, I'll deal with that.

00:42:37.000 I don't think, you know, I think a lot of people, especially these young leftists, they haven't lost anybody.

00:42:44.000 A lot of them haven't.

00:42:45.000 When I was younger, I had a few people in my neighborhood who died.

00:42:51.000 And when I was a teenager, and it was a crazy feeling.

00:42:55.000 Like, that dude is just gone.

00:42:58.000 Just doesn't exist anymore.

00:42:59.000 But I think most young people don't experience this.

00:43:02.000 And then what was really, really crazy to me was, as I started getting older, as most people already know, and who are older than me, people start dying more and more and more.

00:43:10.000 I asked Roseanne about that in this show, yeah.

00:43:13.000 Yeah. So...

00:43:14.000 It's not fun.

00:43:16.000 Hearing on Facebook, That a guy that I used to skateboard with died, and we don't know how.

00:43:21.000 He just died suddenly one night on Thanksgiving.

00:43:25.000 Went to bed and didn't wake up.

00:43:27.000 And it's like, that dude's just gone?

00:43:29.000 So there's a lot of younger people who have experienced less death.

00:43:33.000 And then I think for the older people who tend to be more experienced dealing with conflict crisis, this is why I think a lot of young leftists are so gung ho on violence.

00:43:43.000 For one, the young guys are either bored, faithless, or full of testosterone.

00:43:47.000 And they haven't seen it.

00:43:49.000 And then when they get older, and they watch a bullet fly through the head of their best friend while they're at war, it changes their perspective on things when they come home.

00:43:55.000 And leftists in America were rewarded for their violence just a few years ago.

00:43:59.000 And to this day.

00:44:00.000 They're rewarded today, yeah.

00:44:02.000 But I got to counter this, because there's a story I saw recently, which has been haunting me for weeks.

00:44:07.000 So there was this mom, I don't remember where it is, I saw this on YouTube, one of these true crime things.

00:44:11.000 A mom had two kids, two teenagers, one was like, let's say 13, one was like 17. The 13-year-old was only allowed to sleep in this little, not even a cubicle, under the stairs.

00:44:23.000 He was forced to sit with his hands on his head for hours with motion detectors.

00:44:27.000 If he moved at all, they threw him in an ice bath for hours.

00:44:30.000 He had no body fat.

00:44:32.000 The only food he was allowed to eat was bread with, like, the hottest hot sauce, and they just tortured this kid, and then eventually it was an end to him.

00:44:38.000 And I read this story, and I'm not a tough person.

00:44:41.000 I'm not pretending to be a tough person.

00:44:42.000 I'm probably the least tough person in this room.

00:44:44.000 I knew We're good.

00:44:55.000 Soldiers do this.

00:44:56.000 They're haunted.

00:44:57.000 I'm like, how do I know?

00:44:58.000 And I put in my support group, malice.locals.com.

00:45:00.000 And one of my supporters goes, at a certain level, it's like caveman brain.

00:45:04.000 Like children are threatened.

00:45:06.000 Here comes a lion.

00:45:07.000 It's just a threat.

00:45:08.000 But here's something else.

00:45:09.000 What this made me realize is that when we talk about evil in this country, there's two types.

00:45:13.000 There's the kind of thing like, I robbed a bank, I'm a murderer, you know, I assaulted a woman, which we could all understand the logic there. 0.98

00:45:21.000 I hate this person, now he's gone.

00:45:22.000 I want money in this bank, I have it.

00:45:24.000 But stuff like this, where it makes no sense, things that are being done to kids, we hear these people, CNN producers getting arrested for videos of children, I'm not even going to get into it.

00:45:32.000 This has to stop.

00:45:33.000 But it's also like, this is a kind of evil that is completely alien.

00:45:37.000 It's very fundamentally different with someone who's even just like an armed robber.

00:45:40.000 Yeah. My concern always comes down to structures of government and why I want to just say, look, I think the best outcome we have is calm and collected law enforcement or whatever form that takes.

00:45:57.000 Sure, security.

00:45:58.000 Security, yeah.

00:45:59.000 Apprehending those parents without anyone dying.

00:46:03.000 Now, by all means, call them evil, demand retribution in whatever form it takes.

00:46:06.000 But apprehending them, exposing what they've done, making sure everyone understands the punishment for doing such a thing.

00:46:12.000 But my concern always comes back to when we glorify vigilante justice, the reason why we don't is not because we are some whiny babies.

00:46:21.000 It's because vigilantes, they beat innocent people.

00:46:25.000 Sure. They get it wrong.

00:46:28.000 You encounter a scenario where you go into a house, and there's a kid being tortured, and you see a man, you know, standing in the living room, and then you say, ah, and you attack him, and it turns out that was the neighbor who just showed up hearing the kid's cries or what to say.

00:46:40.000 So it's...

00:46:41.000 But in this case, I mean, there's text messages going back, this is not...

00:46:43.000 But I'm saying that goes to long for it.

00:46:45.000 What I'm saying is...

00:46:46.000 He died.

00:46:47.000 Like, did the neighbors...

00:46:47.000 The mom called the cops and was like, oh, he's not waking up.

00:46:51.000 So she was just that insane. 0.63

00:46:52.000 No, she wasn't insane, but she has a dead kid on her hands. 1.00

00:46:54.000 What is she gonna do?

00:46:56.000 Because there's other families that hit kids and bury them, like have them in their basements for 20 years.

00:46:59.000 Oh God, I didn't even think about that.

00:47:01.000 The point is that it's handled by a system of law enforcement, or judiciary, or if it's a small community, then there is a common, rational decision.

00:47:11.000 Are you familiar with the story of Gellert's grave?

00:47:13.000 I don't think so.

00:47:15.000 I'm going to butcher the story because I'm not Welsh, but I really want to make this short film.

00:47:20.000 So the simple version is this, and to all the Welsh fans of the show, you can yell at me in the comments.

00:47:26.000 Prince Whelan of Wales.

00:47:28.000 I already ruined it!

00:47:29.000 There you go, story's over!

00:47:31.000 His son in his crib in his house and he decides...

00:47:35.000 Oh, with the dog?

00:47:36.000 With the wolfhound?

00:47:37.000 I'll just tell the story real quick.

00:47:39.000 I thought this was Ireland?

00:47:40.000 I'm pretty sure it was Wales.

00:47:41.000 Isn't the whole story the Irish wolfhound?

00:47:43.000 Let me tell the story and then you can let me know.

00:47:45.000 Okay. So my understanding is, Gallart the faithful hound...

00:47:48.000 What's going on?

00:47:50.000 Okay. So Prince Whelan, in his house, his son's in the crib, he's gotta go out and forage, collect resources, wood, whatever.

00:47:58.000 So he leaves his faithful hound, Gellert, at his house while he goes about his business.

00:48:03.000 Upon arriving to his hut, his cabin, he sees that his door is burst open.

00:48:07.000 He runs inside and he sees all of his belongings scattered and flipped over.

00:48:12.000 In a panic, he runs to his son's crib where he sees it flipped over and blood everywhere.

00:48:16.000 He panics just then.

00:48:19.000 His faithful hound, Gellert, walks up with blood dripping from his mouth.

00:48:23.000 Angry that Gellert had slain his son while he was away, he draws his sword and thrusts it into the side of his hound, who lets out a dying whelp, which awakens his child.

00:48:32.000 Waylon then flips over the crib to find his son completely healthy, and next to him, the wolf that was slain by Gellert, who saved his son's life.

00:48:41.000 And they say, after that day, he never smiled again.

00:48:44.000 Yes. That story means a lot.

00:48:47.000 We don't jump to conclusions.

00:48:49.000 We have to keep cool heads about these things.

00:48:51.000 Sure. But what I'm saying is, there's many cases where the cool head is like, all right, justice is not prevailing situation.

00:49:00.000 And in the United States, they brought back, I think, the firing squad in Alabama.

00:49:04.000 Because our laws determined that there are some people who have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of crime so horrific, they have forfeited their lives.

00:49:12.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:49:13.000 Because this is something I've...

00:49:14.000 Sometimes there's this...

00:49:16.000 Something people say and everyone seems to smile and nod and I'm sitting there I'm like, how do I not understand this because this is one of those stories.

00:49:22.000 There was a case.

00:49:23.000 I think it was Arkansas Ricky Jane Bobby, I think the guy's name was something like that.

00:49:28.000 He was mentally disabled He killed or at least a couple of people and when they were gonna give him the death penalty. 0.89

00:49:35.000 He's he had his last meal He goes I'm gonna save some for this for later.

00:49:39.000 Like he clearly didn't understand what was happening to him, right?

00:49:41.000 and people were like This is so crazy, you're giving him a death penalty he didn't understand what he did.

00:49:47.000 And for me, it's like...

00:49:49.000 Isn't this the first person you'd give the death penalty to?

00:49:51.000 Because there's no possibility that this guy will ever be allowed on the streets safely?

00:49:55.000 As opposed to someone who's like, okay, I did something horrible and maybe I can't be allowed on the streets, but at least I can, you know, advocate to people in jail and preach to kids and learn from my story.

00:50:04.000 I never understood why that would be the last person you'd want to give the death penalty to.

00:50:07.000 There's the moral and there's the mechanical functions or issues pertaining to the death penalty.

00:50:13.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:50:16.000 Here's a man who can never be made right, who will always be evil.

00:50:19.000 Right. Or dangerous, at least.

00:50:21.000 So I'm opposed to the death penalty.

00:50:23.000 And it's for mechanical reasons.

00:50:25.000 The moral reasons I completely understand.

00:50:27.000 A man harming a child, they're going to cause great bodily harm.

00:50:29.000 Self-defense exists in this country for the defense of others, all the same. 0.99

00:50:32.000 The mechanical problem is that Kamala Harris walks up to you and says, trust me, that guy deserves to die. 0.88

00:50:36.000 And then this nation largely just says, OK, Kamala. 0.97

00:50:39.000 I'm opposed to death penalty in that regard as well.

00:50:41.000 I'm just saying in a case like this, why would this be the last person you'd want?

00:50:46.000 Right. I don't understand that.

00:50:48.000 From a moral perspective, I agree.

00:50:50.000 But other people don't.

00:50:51.000 And I don't understand why they are opposed to this.

00:50:54.000 I I thought the function of the death penalty was you are beyond rehabilitation.

00:51:00.000 Are they finding sympathy in him?

00:51:01.000 I don't get it.

00:51:02.000 That's what I'm asking.

00:51:03.000 I literally don't get it.

00:51:04.000 I think the thought process is they find sympathy because this person didn't understand that what they were doing was evil.

00:51:12.000 It's like letting out mice and men, but they don't do...

00:51:14.000 But you have to.

00:51:16.000 Well, I mean, if you believe in the death penalty.

00:51:18.000 But the argument is that person can't be allowed in society again, so they shouldn't be let go, but killing them is immoral because they didn't understand what they were doing.

00:51:30.000 So there's no malice in it.

00:51:32.000 Pardon my framing.

00:51:33.000 I don't take care of a rabid animal.

00:51:35.000 So actually, now we're dealing with logic versus emotion.

00:51:40.000 The emotional individual says, But he had no idea he did wrong, thus there's no malice, so we can't be mad.

00:51:46.000 That's emotional.

00:51:47.000 I'm not mad at all!

00:51:48.000 I'm saying you are logical.

00:51:49.000 In these cases, like, I'm not mad.

00:51:50.000 I'm like, this is a problem.

00:51:51.000 It can never be fixed.

00:51:52.000 But this is the point.

00:51:53.000 You're approaching it logically.

00:51:54.000 Sure. Here is a man who has done harm.

00:51:56.000 He cannot be fixed, unfortunately.

00:51:58.000 It is dispassionate that this man faces the death penalty.

00:52:01.000 I'm not at all gleeful.

00:52:02.000 My point is the people who are upset about it are approaching it emotionally, saying, he didn't know he did bad, so we can't.

00:52:09.000 It's an emotional reaction.

00:52:09.000 It's illogical.

00:52:10.000 Okay, I'm glad you're with me because it makes no sense to me and I've never understood it.

00:52:13.000 Let's jump to this next story from the Daily Mail.

00:52:17.000 MSNBC pundit flees to Canada after warning about Trump fascism.

00:52:22.000 We should drive a truck there.

00:52:23.000 Yeah. A fascism expert is leaving the US for Canada over fears of Trump.

00:52:27.000 Jason Stanley.

00:52:28.000 Wait, I got to interrupt.

00:52:29.000 Okay, I got to interrupt because this is germane.

00:52:32.000 Jason, so a lot of times when they'll mention an expert, it's some random you've never heard of.

00:52:36.000 This guy is one of the biggest tools on Twitter.

00:52:39.000 He wrote books about fascism.

00:52:41.000 He is like Blue Skies, what would become the Blue Sky crowd, go-to guy regarding fascism.

00:52:47.000 So if he's fleeing, this is like a big scalp.

00:52:51.000 Yes. You mean it's good news that more liberals will leave the country and go to Canada like we asked?

00:52:55.000 Maybe he'll sign up for the MAID program.

00:52:57.000 Not just liberals.

00:52:57.000 This guy is an academic.

00:52:58.000 He's like, he is like the, like, patient zero of, like, fascism.

00:53:03.000 I can't say BDS?

00:53:05.000 Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:07.000 Yeah. Can I say the S-word?

00:53:10.000 Well, we try not to.

00:53:10.000 Okay, then I won't.

00:53:11.000 That's fine.

00:53:11.000 Okay. Just because— I was gonna say S-lib.

00:53:12.000 That's why.

00:53:13.000 Yeah. You know, just for clarity for those watching, people watching their TVs with their kids in the living room, so it's a news show.

00:53:19.000 Although, I'm not sure that's always appropriate.

00:53:22.000 But, um, curiously...

00:53:23.000 Oh, wow, this is a big deal.

00:53:24.000 Because you know, Columbia, he had a posh gig.

00:53:27.000 Yeah. He's fleeing.

00:53:29.000 It's good.

00:53:29.000 It's great.

00:53:30.000 Yeah. I think...

00:53:31.000 Man, this is making me rethink my opinion on voting.

00:53:35.000 Because if I could vote and have people like him flee, I'm like, I don't know, guys.

00:53:40.000 Self-deport.

00:53:41.000 Yeah. I mean, it's an actual positive result.

00:53:44.000 This is better than Rosie O'Donnell.

00:53:46.000 I'm serious.

00:53:46.000 Far better.

00:53:47.000 Far better.

00:53:47.000 Great. I was thinking about this earlier today with Trump derangement syndrome, Elon derangement syndrome, Tesla derangement syndrome.

00:53:54.000 I'm like, I think there's a certain point we just need to create a different word that encompasses the fact that the liberal cult are typically deranged.

00:54:01.000 So Trump derangement syndrome does not get at it.

00:54:05.000 But hold on, but Trump derangement syndrome is not exclusive to liberals.

00:54:09.000 Indeed, but I think that overwhelmingly those who are suffering TDS are suffering EDS and TDS squared.

00:54:17.000 I have EDS.

00:54:22.000 I think I know what EDS is.

00:54:24.000 You definitely know.

00:54:25.000 You got the remains.

00:54:27.000 So you've got Elon derangement syndrome.

00:54:29.000 You've got Tesla derangement syndrome.

00:54:32.000 You've got Trump derangement syndrome.

00:54:33.000 Now you've got derangement syndrome for all of these people.

00:54:36.000 I'm going to disagree.

00:54:36.000 It's not Tesla derangement syndrome, because here's how you know it's derangement syndrome.

00:54:40.000 I was with my friend Steph in Japan last year.

00:54:42.000 One of the greatest moments of my life.

00:54:44.000 Everyone, if you're thinking about going to Japan, I promise you'll love it.

00:54:46.000 It's the best.

00:54:46.000 It blew my mind.

00:54:47.000 I really wanted to hate it.

00:54:48.000 It was the first time going?

00:54:49.000 Yes. I wanted to hate it.

00:54:51.000 I'm like, you guys brought me over.

00:54:52.000 It's amazing, isn't it?

00:54:53.000 And one of the best things is I turn to her, I go, isn't it great being in a country where you know people aren't going to bring up Trump for no reason?

00:54:59.000 And I think that's a key part of TDS, is no matter what you're talking about, somehow the conversation revolves around Trump.

00:55:07.000 That hasn't happened with Elon or Tesla.

00:55:10.000 And it's not happening in Trump now.

00:55:13.000 It's not always happening.

00:55:14.000 I always bring a bottle of Trump wine to family holidays.

00:55:19.000 I did not think Jason Stanley is such a big deal.

00:55:22.000 You are so happy.

00:55:24.000 I've got anything with him on Twitter.

00:55:25.000 He's so disingenuous.

00:55:27.000 And so, because it's so like, you know, fascism defined by having an outgroup, as opposed to what ideology?

00:55:34.000 Like, what government doesn't have what we're...

00:55:36.000 America was founded on being anti-monarchist.

00:55:38.000 You know, you have the Democrats, lowercase d, against an aristocracy and overclass.

00:55:43.000 Anarchists are against the government.

00:55:44.000 Communists are against the bourgeoisie.

00:55:46.000 Everyone has an outgroup.

00:55:48.000 This was the This is basically just the conversation I've been having over the past several weeks, and we actually just had a moment ago on The Green Room Show, which you can watch on rumble.com slash timcast.io.

00:55:58.000 I don't actually think these isms, for the most part, and these ideas matter as much.

00:56:05.000 They are...

00:56:07.000 An individual who's a communist, it's not one-for-one, it's not one day you go, I'm a communist, and then you instantly are rigidly in line with everything all communists believe.

00:56:15.000 So the real issue then is just this gradient of amoral to moral in the way that we view it.

00:56:24.000 So when this guy says they're fascists, he exemplifies exactly what my point is.

00:56:27.000 What does that mean?

00:56:29.000 It just means bad guy.

00:56:30.000 No, no, I'm sorry, I have to interrupt you, because he does have a bullet point list.

00:56:34.000 But what I'm saying is this bullet point list is not at all exclusive to fascism.

00:56:38.000 That's my point.

00:56:39.000 He's not actually defining what fascism was academically, what it related to, because it doesn't exist right now.

00:56:44.000 Right. Do you know what else?

00:56:45.000 One more thing, I'm sorry.

00:56:46.000 If you read the Antifa, this is what's fascinating to me, I like reading what other people have to say, because I'm like, let me understand the thought process, maybe I'm getting it wrong.

00:56:52.000 I read the Antifa handbook.

00:56:53.000 Have you read it?

00:56:54.000 Yes. He makes it a point, the author, I forget his name, apologies, to point out that, who was the head of Spain?

00:57:01.000 I'm not getting his name.

00:57:03.000 Francisco Franco was not a fascist.

00:57:06.000 He was a Catholic nationalist, but Trump is.

00:57:09.000 I'm like, hold on.

00:57:11.000 To be fair, I have not read that in a very, very long time.

00:57:13.000 But the point is, what kind of logical leaps do you have to do That Franco is less of an authoritarian than Trump, who's the worst thing he did is was bitched and moaned for four years that they stole the election from him.

00:57:25.000 Yeah. Franco didn't have elections.

00:57:26.000 He killed people, locked people up.

00:57:28.000 Trump never did that.

00:57:29.000 It was fascinating.

00:57:30.000 And he said this with a straight face.

00:57:31.000 I'm like, you're defending Frank?

00:57:32.000 If there's one person where I'm like, okay, like, fine, I'll give it to you.

00:57:36.000 Franco. It's fascinating.

00:57:39.000 It's ridiculous, though. 0.69

00:57:40.000 I mean, this guy. 0.96

00:57:41.000 In particular, I'm familiar with his tweets and it is a, like you mentioned, it's a great scalp to have.

00:57:47.000 This is the point that I wanted to get to for you, Michael.

00:57:51.000 Oh, I'm so happy.

00:57:52.000 In this country...

00:57:53.000 Wait, is this an April Fool's?

00:57:55.000 If you saw you got me, this is my April Fool's. 0.97

00:57:57.000 I will burn down this compound. 0.98

00:57:59.000 Maybe. I'm gonna go Luigi. 0.99

00:58:01.000 Okay. We were talking about this earlier.

00:58:05.000 How did you describe it?

00:58:06.000 You said laws are only what... 0.63

00:58:08.000 The law is whatever those in power decided is at any given moment.

00:58:12.000 Nothing more, nothing less.

00:58:13.000 This is what the left has been operating on for quite some time.

00:58:16.000 Yes. The late David Graeber, are you familiar with his work?

00:58:19.000 I'm not.

00:58:19.000 They called him the anarchist anthropologist.

00:58:21.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:22.000 And he hated being called that, but he was one of the original organizers of Occupy Wall Street.

00:58:26.000 Okay. And he wrote this great, that you'd think he was a leftist, but he wrote this thread before he died, that the left has adopted the ethos, there is no truth but power.

00:58:34.000 Yeah. Which was...

00:58:35.000 Part of the central post-modernism.

00:58:37.000 And he said it was fascistic.

00:58:38.000 Yes, it is.

00:58:39.000 Right. It's very fascistic.

00:58:42.000 The progressives love Mussolini.

00:58:45.000 And so what we're dealing with right now is you made a really great deal.

00:58:50.000 point on a point that funny enough when we were talking, I was actually, it was a point I was going to make.

00:58:56.000 Oh, that's why you think it's great.

00:58:58.000 Absolutely. I was like, Michael said before, but I can't even say it.

00:59:00.000 He must be a very smart guy.

00:59:01.000 The first battle of Bull Run.

00:59:03.000 Yeah. That the Confederates stuck to their principles and decided not to march on D.C.

00:59:08.000 and seize the White House.

00:59:10.000 The first actual battle of the Civil War, Manassas or Bull Run, the Confederates routed the Union.

00:59:14.000 The Union fled in panic.

00:59:16.000 And the Confederates stopped at the border and said, we have proven we mean business.

00:59:20.000 Let the war end here.

00:59:22.000 There will be no war.

00:59:24.000 And then Lincoln said, crush them.

00:59:26.000 Yes. If the Confederates- And crush the Constitution. 0.78

00:59:29.000 Yes. Insofar as it's in my way.

00:59:31.000 Yes. Arrest the Maryland legislature sympathetic to the Confederacy.

00:59:33.000 Suspend habeas corpus between here, Pennsylvania, and D.C. Lock up journalists.

00:59:38.000 Threatened to arrest the sitting Supreme Court Justice for threatening to defy me.

00:59:41.000 On his march to the sea, General Sherman gave the okay to slaughter all the freed slaves that were following him because they were annoying him.

00:59:47.000 Wow. And he burned farms?

00:59:49.000 By a union guy whose name happened to be Jefferson Davis.

00:59:51.000 And also the fact that they're burning down houses of people who just happen to be on the wrong side of a border.

00:59:56.000 Yep. Civilians.

00:59:58.000 He torched their farms.

00:59:59.000 And so, again, I'm not a fan of the Kin's Federacy. 0.99

01:00:03.000 They wanted to put slavery in their constitution. 0.97

01:00:05.000 Yeah. Literally.

01:00:06.000 And a lot of people are like, it wasn't about slavery.

01:00:08.000 I'm like, bro, look at the confederate constitution.

01:00:09.000 Lost cause of the nonsense.

01:00:10.000 Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:11.000 But the point was, whatever you think about the conflict, if the confederates on that day said, how'd you describe it?

01:00:17.000 If we'd be hypocrites this one time, then they would have won the civil war.

01:00:20.000 Cause they could have seized the white house, gotten Lincoln in his cabinet.

01:00:22.000 It's like, okay, now we're going to negotiate from position of power.

01:00:25.000 Yep. That would have been the end.

01:00:26.000 I get this all the time.

01:00:27.000 Cause one of my big policy positions is that they should seize all university endowments, which are the crystallization of privilege and distribute that money as reparations.

01:00:36.000 How do you, as an anarchist, gonna reconcile the government seizing all this money?

01:00:39.000 I'm like, you got me.

01:00:43.000 This will be my one, like, yep.

01:00:45.000 Well, the government exists, so might as well put it to good use. 0.88

01:00:47.000 It's my one hypocrisy.

01:00:48.000 I proposed.

01:00:49.000 I had a guy on the show a few years ago.

01:00:51.000 The thing of doing it, though, by the way, not the reparations part, but...

01:00:54.000 I'm for reparations.

01:00:55.000 Of course.

01:00:55.000 I'm for reparations.

01:00:56.000 Well, you know my reparations plan.

01:00:58.000 What? No, I don't.

01:00:59.000 Oh, okay.

01:01:00.000 Let me break it down for you.

01:01:01.000 This is April Fool's, but I'm not kidding.

01:01:03.000 There are...

01:01:04.000 Because reparations have to be reparations, right?

01:01:06.000 If I burn down your $10,000 car, I can't give you $5,000.

01:01:10.000 I have to make you whole, right?

01:01:13.000 So how are you going to compensate these estates or people who are owned?

01:01:16.000 If your great-grandma was a slave, I can't be like, here's $10,000. 0.99

01:01:19.000 You're like, oh, screw her. 1.00

01:01:20.000 I got my $10,000. 0.99

01:01:21.000 I'm going to go buy a new car.

01:01:24.000 There are, in this country, 41.5 million African-Americans, according to Google.

01:01:29.000 40 million Canadians.

01:01:30.000 They have made their point repeatedly through their actions and words that they don't want to be free.

01:01:34.000 Slavery in the South?

01:01:35.000 It's a nightmare.

01:01:36.000 So obviously the definition, the opposite that will be safer than the North will be heaven on earth. 0.81

01:01:40.000 Every African American gets a Canadian. 0.86

01:01:42.000 Racism is done forever.

01:01:44.000 Reparations, you're back where you started, repaired, and everyone's happy.

01:01:48.000 And you can even match them up.

01:01:49.000 So like Barack Obama is African. 0.94

01:01:51.000 He does not get a slave.

01:01:52.000 Michelle can get like, I don't know, like Jordan Peterson or something.

01:01:55.000 That's great.

01:01:56.000 Stacey Abrams can get God sad, maybe help her lose some weight. 1.00

01:01:59.000 It all works out.

01:02:01.000 And so no more ever talk of racism.

01:02:04.000 My point was, how much land is controlled by the Bureau of Land Management?

01:02:09.000 What's that?

01:02:09.000 How much land is controlled by the Bureau of Land Management?

01:02:11.000 Isn't like 60% something crazy?

01:02:12.000 We give all of that, we divvy it up among all of the black population, descendants of slaves. 1.00

01:02:16.000 I don't care. 0.98

01:02:18.000 You want to send black people to live in the woods? 1.00

01:02:20.000 No, no, they'll own the property, they'll get to live in the woods. 0.98

01:02:22.000 They can do whatever they want with it.

01:02:23.000 But we take it from the federal government, break it up, and give it to the descendants of slaves. 0.99

01:02:28.000 I don't care if you're white, black, Latino, whatever, you got a slavery ancestry, we got a parcel of land just for you because I don't want the federal government to have it. 0.93

01:02:34.000 I don't care who else gets it, but if this is a compromise that gets us there, I'll take it.

01:02:37.000 I think the only reparations for slavery is enslavement.

01:02:43.000 So here's the real problem.

01:02:45.000 The real problem with reparations is that they're impossible.

01:02:48.000 Because the population expansion is exponential, and the descendants of slaves now exceed the amount of land available to repair them, as was the 40 acres and a mule.

01:02:57.000 It's impossible.

01:02:58.000 But that 40 acres and a mule would have been reparations either, to be fair.

01:03:00.000 No, no, I know, but at the time they were like, we'll give you this, and they didn't, and that's the argument they're making, the advocates for reparations, and I'm like, right.

01:03:07.000 And now there's an exponential expansion of the descendants of slaves, substantially more.

01:03:11.000 But what's even crazier is that the reparations that they're talking about in California, California was never a slave state, they're getting the reparations for like, you were discriminated against in housing.

01:03:18.000 It's like, wait, wait, wait, like, I've gone for apartments I didn't get, I do not get like, become a millionaire.

01:03:23.000 It's like recent history reparations.

01:03:24.000 This was an interesting conversation we had on the Culture War podcast about Mahmoud Khalil.

01:03:30.000 And the issue was brought up by this liberal attorney who said, He's not accused by the government of committing crimes.

01:03:38.000 He's allowed to have his free speech.

01:03:39.000 So let's not argue what the government is not arguing and simply say they've accused him of being of distributing or being aligned with Hamas.

01:03:47.000 Therefore, free speech.

01:03:48.000 And I said, if a black man walks into a bakery and the owner says, we don't serve black people, is that legal or illegal? 0.56

01:03:55.000 He says, of course, it's illegal. 0.91

01:03:57.000 I said, OK. 0.52

01:03:58.000 The black man walks into a bakery and the guy says, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone you serve, you have to leave. 0.86

01:04:03.000 Is that legal? 0.86

01:04:04.000 That's legal.

01:04:04.000 Okay, so the distinction between legal and legal is whether or not he expresses his intent to be racist?

01:04:09.000 Right, right.

01:04:09.000 That's easily masked.

01:04:11.000 In this regard, Donald Trump, his administration, can use any legal justification they want for removing someone so long it's codified, so long as they don't say certain words.

01:04:18.000 Sure. It makes literally no sense to operate this way as a country.

01:04:24.000 So now we have...

01:04:26.000 If you're racist, just don't tell anybody and you're okay?

01:04:29.000 Just don't tell.

01:04:30.000 I mean, I had Francis from Trigonometry on my show, And he was talking about how it's crazy that people are going to get fired for their views.

01:04:38.000 And I'm like, I don't think it's crazy at all, because I said, everyone in this room, there's people at certain views.

01:04:42.000 You're like, you know what?

01:04:44.000 Great. I'm not working with you.

01:04:45.000 Someone's advocating for maps.

01:04:46.000 I'm like, that's nice.

01:04:47.000 Goodbye. We're not having this conversation.

01:04:49.000 And he's like, well, like, at what point do you draw the line?

01:04:51.000 I'm like, he's like, what do you get?

01:04:52.000 What if some of them want to discriminate against race? 0.88

01:04:54.000 I go, yeah, it's called freedom of association.

01:04:56.000 And it never entered his head.

01:04:57.000 Because like, in Europe, it's just like, you can't do that.

01:04:59.000 I'm like, yeah, the basis of property is you can hire and fire whoever you want.

01:05:03.000 And Jim Crow was mandated racism.

01:05:06.000 If I had a white business, and I want to hire these educated or hardworking black people to work for my company, and I could pay him pennies on a dollar, because no one else is hiring them, I legally couldn't. 0.77

01:05:17.000 So it was forcing people to be prejudiced as opposed to letting a more liberal order, and then very quickly it would fall apart because it's going to be very hard to discriminate against people, those of whom are bringing great value to your company, which many of them would.

01:05:30.000 Let's jump to this next story.

01:05:32.000 We got some of the post-millennial.

01:05:33.000 Seattle mayor reveals $47 million payroll tax deficit as companies flee the Emerald City.

01:05:39.000 Shocking. I wonder why.

01:05:41.000 Last week, the mayor of Seattle announced the Emerald City collected $47 million less in payroll taxes last year as large companies continue to flee the liberal oasis.

01:05:48.000 According to the Seattle Times, the mayor of Seattle City Council expected the tax haul to be $400 million.

01:05:54.000 Instead, the city brought in only $360 million in 2024.

01:05:57.000 That's a 10% difference.

01:05:58.000 That is tremendous.

01:05:59.000 Wow. Now, people got to understand, cities are organizations.

01:06:04.000 And a lot of people like to say public and private, but just understand organization.

01:06:07.000 Can be used to describe the umbrella of what everything is.

01:06:11.000 That means you need income, you're gonna spend money, money's gotta come in.

01:06:16.000 Now, governments use this tactic that I call pointing a gun in your face and demanding the money from you.

01:06:21.000 Tax collection.

01:06:22.000 Other people have different words to describe it, but we'll just try to describe it that way.

01:06:26.000 Seattle, when they do this, what happens?

01:06:29.000 People gladly pay it.

01:06:31.000 Seattle city government says everybody pays their taxes, the businesses say, yes sir, thank you sir.

01:06:34.000 But when someone throws a brick through your window, sets fire to your cars, or in other ways just terrorizes you for your political beliefs, they're going to say, maybe we should go somewhere else.

01:06:44.000 And they do.

01:06:46.000 Like Delaware now, Seattle's experiencing the same thing.

01:06:49.000 There's a funny meme.

01:06:50.000 They said, show me a ghetto, and I'll show you a town run by Democrats.

01:06:58.000 I don't think that's necessarily true.

01:06:59.000 Because if you think about like South...

01:07:01.000 Tendencies. Appalachia.

01:07:02.000 Right. West Virginia was blue for a long time.

01:07:08.000 Yeah, and even right now, again we were talking about this earlier, with the Uber laws, West Virginia is still fighting to counter.

01:07:15.000 Bro, I gotta tell you, under the Democrat leadership— Hold on, I'm now triggered, because this is a conservative talk that drives me crazy.

01:07:23.000 There are no Republican cities either.

01:07:25.000 Like, all cities are run by Democrats.

01:07:27.000 Some Democrats run it better, and some Democrats run it worse.

01:07:30.000 The only example they can think of is Giuliani, and in any other context, people call him a rhino.

01:07:37.000 Pro-gay rights.

01:07:39.000 Pro-abortion.

01:07:40.000 Go ahead.

01:07:40.000 Jim Justice was a Democrat governor until 2017, when he switched to the Republican Party.

01:07:44.000 Sure, I'm just talking about cities, but I don't think Michigan has any cities, really.

01:07:48.000 So, the important thing to understand is, you go to any city, You will see pride flags.

01:07:56.000 It is not an issue of the Republicans don't win there or it is that these cities are leftist.

01:08:02.000 Yes, correct.

01:08:03.000 Right. By nature.

01:08:05.000 Right. And so it is that ideology.

01:08:07.000 I guess that's the point.

01:08:08.000 Obviously, there are some Republican areas that are not as good.

01:08:10.000 But I think it kind of misses the point because if all cities are leftist, which I think everyone agrees, why are some cities thriving and some aren't?

01:08:18.000 So if they have something in common, it's some secondary characteristic that's going to make some work and some work better than others.

01:08:23.000 Why is – look at Seattle.

01:08:26.000 And then look at, like, Miami.

01:08:28.000 Like, I think Miami does have a- Miami's red.

01:08:30.000 But look at, like, Austin's doing a lot better- Miami's red.

01:08:32.000 Sure. Austin's doing a lot better than Seattle does.

01:08:34.000 And Austin's one of the communists.

01:08:36.000 The apparatus around those cities- These are questions to ask.

01:08:38.000 I think it's actually simple.

01:08:40.000 The density of the left.

01:08:41.000 Austin is mixed.

01:08:44.000 Seattle's far left.

01:08:45.000 Miami's far Republican.

01:08:46.000 But that could be it as well.

01:08:48.000 And I think the important way to look at it is, when you make this surface-level joke, the meme, Show Me a Ghetto, I'll Show You a City by the Democrats, That's a very surface-level way of understanding leftist ideology leads to chaos and destruction, right ideology leads to creation.

01:09:00.000 There's the joke about what the socialists use before they use candles, light bulbs.

01:09:04.000 Yeah. And I gotta say something else that surprised me, and this is kind of a detour that there's no point, but to your hometown, I went to Chicago for my birthday last year and all my friends were like, good luck, you're not getting shot.

01:09:16.000 It was perfectly safe.

01:09:17.000 I didn't realize the violence is very localized.

01:09:18.000 Like the places I was at, I forgot where they were, We were at it two in the morning.

01:09:22.000 It was perfectly fine.

01:09:23.000 Which neighborhood do you know?

01:09:24.000 It's like northwest of the museums.

01:09:27.000 Well, there's a lot of...

01:09:28.000 I mean, if you're talking about like the Gold Coast or like slightly northwest of downtown.

01:09:32.000 Yeah. Then you're in a well-off area.

01:09:35.000 That's where I was, yeah.

01:09:36.000 Yeah. Yeah, it's my understanding.

01:09:37.000 Go to 80%...

01:09:38.000 I'm not arguing with you.

01:09:39.000 No, no, no.

01:09:40.000 I'm saying...

01:09:41.000 I think you went to the one safe place.

01:09:44.000 But I think the difference is in New York, the crime is on the subway.

01:09:47.000 It's going everywhere.

01:09:48.000 And in L.A., my friend was staying in Beverly Hills, and they warned her, when you get out of the hotel, you know, just don't have stuff in your car.

01:09:55.000 I was surprised at Chicago's reputation.

01:09:58.000 We walked around a lot, that it felt a lot safer than New York, where I walked around.

01:10:02.000 That surprised me.

01:10:03.000 Do you feel like the violence used to be hyper-local in Manhattan, to certain places?

01:10:05.000 No! But now it's worse everywhere?

01:10:07.000 After the 70s, maybe like in the 90s?

01:10:10.000 This is going to sound crazy.

01:10:13.000 For a long period of time, violence in New York was not a thing.

01:10:17.000 It was like very, you hear about it, but like, you were perfectly safe.

01:10:20.000 Post-70s.

01:10:21.000 I say post-80s because Juliana came in in 93. Yeah.

01:10:25.000 Like maybe like 95. Because when he first came in, I remember being on the subway, you couldn't listen to your headphones because there would be groups of kids that go through subway to subway, they'd shake you down and they'd rob you.

01:10:36.000 And it would just- Yeah, that's Chicago.

01:10:37.000 But maybe that's Chicago.

01:10:38.000 I'm not arguing with that.

01:10:39.000 My point is, but that went away.

01:10:42.000 New York was super safe.

01:10:43.000 When did you go to Chicago?

01:10:45.000 Last summer.

01:10:48.000 I don't know, I think you just must have had a nice experience.

01:10:52.000 I did, I was shocked.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, Chicago, I would argue, having grown up there versus living in New York for five years, New York was ridiculously safe compared to Chicago.

01:11:04.000 So I lived on the southwest side and I'd go to bed and I don't know, maybe like a couple, maybe once every couple months you hear gunshots ringing out.

01:11:14.000 Someone gangbangers shooting somebody nearby We all knew somebody like the high school fight people brought guns.

01:11:20.000 Okay, uh My buddy I was on the phone with him when I was like 16 and he lived on 63rd in California And he said yo, I I saw two guys dragging a carpet with legs sticking out the next day They found a dead body in a carpet.

01:11:34.000 Sure. So I've been shot at randomly for no reason and Me and my brother were driving off of Independence on 290, we took a left, and a guy just pointed his gun at us, bang, and fired at us.

01:11:44.000 I'm not at all in any way diminishing your lived experience, I'm just saying that I was surprised as a New Yorker how safe I felt in Chicago this past summer.

01:11:52.000 The point I'm trying to make is not that my lived experience is being diminished, it's that you had a comfortable experience in a wealthy neighborhood, but if you actually went to any of the actual regular neighborhoods, you probably would have been like, holy crap, this place is...

01:12:03.000 I noticed in Manhattan, like around the 2010s, The violence started to spread everywhere.

01:12:09.000 Yes. Even in places that- Death in de Blasio.

01:12:10.000 I used to think- Yeah, yeah.

01:12:11.000 Exactly. It was by design.

01:12:13.000 The videos out of Chicago where they like rammed the department stores, the cars, and then run in and steal everything and run out.

01:12:18.000 I mean- Yeah.

01:12:18.000 My friends who live there say it's worse than they've ever seen it.

01:12:21.000 Is that right?

01:12:22.000 Yeah. That they have to put- They're building barricades in front of buildings now.

01:12:25.000 Wow. Because cars are trying to ram the department stores.

01:12:28.000 13-year-old kids are running around areas with guns.

01:12:30.000 No. That's Mad Max.

01:12:32.000 That's crazy.

01:12:32.000 I gotta tell you, like, having been all over New York, I was never worried at all.

01:12:38.000 It was laughable.

01:12:39.000 I'm not arguing that.

01:12:40.000 I'm just saying, as a New Yorker, former New Yorker, I was surprised that there would be localized violence in Chicago, because in New York it's not localized.

01:12:49.000 That there would be any safe areas given Chicago's reputation.

01:12:51.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:12:53.000 Yeah, because like the death rate, you hear the death rate, how many shootings.

01:12:55.000 And also all the trajectories are in the wrong direction.

01:12:57.000 I'm like, all right, this is gonna be a nightmare.

01:12:58.000 Well, uh, it's fine.

01:13:00.000 I'll even pull up where I stayed.

01:13:01.000 I'll tell you right now.

01:13:02.000 A really interesting thing about Chicago is when they had their mayoral election for Brandon Johnson, I overlaid the electoral...

01:13:07.000 What's his approval rating?

01:13:08.000 Like 13%?

01:13:09.000 It's less than that.

01:13:10.000 Okay. It's almost zero.

01:13:12.000 When I pulled up the electoral map for who voted for whom, I also pulled up racial demographics by neighborhood, and guess what?

01:13:19.000 It's a one-for-one overlay.

01:13:21.000 Is that right?

01:13:21.000 Except for one location in the city, Loyola University.

01:13:24.000 So when you look at a neighborhood, this is the funniest thing.

01:13:29.000 If the neighborhood was white, they voted for the white guy in first place. 0.98

01:13:33.000 If the neighborhood was black, everyone they voted for was black. 0.99

01:13:36.000 I'm not kidding. 0.99

01:13:37.000 If you look at a black neighborhood in Chicago...

01:13:40.000 So here's what I did.

01:13:40.000 I said, here are the top candidates.

01:13:41.000 You had Brandon Johnson, you had two other people.

01:13:44.000 You had a Hispanic guy and a white guy.

01:13:47.000 I highlighted the electoral map over the black neighborhoods. 0.50

01:13:49.000 The top three people who got all the votes were all black.

01:13:53.000 People who didn't even register as top candidates were the second and third place in the black neighborhoods.

01:13:58.000 In the Hispanic neighborhood, the Hispanic guy was in first place. 0.99

01:14:00.000 In the white neighborhood, except for Loyola, where they voted for Brandon Johnson, and that's why he won. 0.82

01:14:05.000 Because the leftist white people voted for the leftist black man, combined with the black vote, put him over the edge. 0.77

01:14:14.000 And the white, middle-class people voted for the white guy, and he didn't get enough. 0.96

01:14:18.000 Brandon Johnson was a complete disaster for the city. 0.66

01:14:23.000 It's only gonna get worse.

01:14:25.000 The city will never improve.

01:14:26.000 So I stayed at 862 North Ashland Avenue.

01:14:30.000 North Ashland?

01:14:31.000 Yeah. I don't know what the area that's called.

01:14:33.000 It was an amazing time.

01:14:36.000 Maybe they're just afraid of you.

01:14:38.000 Well, I am, you know.

01:14:39.000 Are you wearing this outfit?

01:14:40.000 They're not locked in there with Chicago with me! 0.98

01:14:43.000 Everywhere it goes, I fucked it up. 0.91

01:14:44.000 Screwed it up, sorry.

01:14:45.000 Oh, wow!

01:14:46.000 Yeah, what area is that called?

01:14:49.000 West Town?

01:14:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:53.000 Are you surprised that I had a good experience, or you're not surprised?

01:14:56.000 Kind of surprised.

01:14:57.000 Although I don't know how much time I've ever spent directly in that area.

01:14:59.000 It's right by, um...

01:15:01.000 I think if you were to go...

01:15:04.000 I think if you went from that spot a bit south, it would get a little dicier.

01:15:10.000 Okay. But, uh, you know, I don't know.

01:15:12.000 Sometimes these things change.

01:15:14.000 You've got...

01:15:14.000 I don't want to get too much into it, because I don't want to have the gangs try to murder me.

01:15:18.000 Sure. Or the people I know in Chicago, so I don't usually get into it.

01:15:21.000 I was explaining to the guys from Vice, because they did a documentary series in Chicago, I was like...

01:15:26.000 They came back to the office in Brooklyn, and they were like, look at this thing we're working on, and they showed me an early cut or whatever, and I was like, whoa.

01:15:32.000 I was like, what's your guys' security plan?

01:15:35.000 Those gangs will murder you.

01:15:36.000 And they were like, no, it's fine. 0.99

01:15:38.000 And I was like, you embed with a gang in Chicago, you put their words into action, You say their name, you put the words from your mouth, they say, that's the guy and they're going to kill you. 0.98

01:15:49.000 And they will.

01:15:51.000 So a big thing people don't understand about the Gangs of Chicago is that a lot of the violence is based on honor and respect.

01:15:57.000 And so it is known, to those of us who grew up there, if a documented film crew embedded with a Chicago gang, you have just told the other gangs, I'm at war with you.

01:16:07.000 I am giving them power, press, money, resources.

01:16:11.000 Validation. Exactly.

01:16:12.000 We are making them the big name in town.

01:16:14.000 Yes. They kill you. 1.00

01:16:15.000 And so we had, um, I forgot the guy's name.

01:16:18.000 Remember the guy we had on, who said his camera guy got shot?

01:16:20.000 Yeah. Getting unloaded on?

01:16:22.000 Bartholomew Buckingham.

01:16:23.000 Yeah. Brendan Buckingham.

01:16:25.000 He was covering the gangs and they found out, so they came up and they unloaded on him and his crew and his camera guy got shot.

01:16:32.000 Wow. Wow.

01:16:32.000 Was he killed?

01:16:33.000 No, no, no.

01:16:34.000 Okay. But I always tell people, like, So anyway, my point is, maybe in the Uncensored show I'll mention a little bit more, but Chicago's a crazy place.

01:16:42.000 It's the kind of place where you think you're in a nice neighborhood and a car pulls up and they say, what you is.

01:16:48.000 They said that to me.

01:16:49.000 And I said, you know who I is.

01:16:50.000 They go, Michael Malice!

01:16:52.000 If you say that, they might laugh.

01:16:54.000 But they're saying, what gang are you with?

01:16:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:56.000 And they got gang signs for all of them.

01:16:58.000 It's kind of wild.

01:16:59.000 When I left Chicago, I didn't see the gang sign stuff anymore.

01:17:01.000 Even in LA.

01:17:02.000 Chicago, it's like there's so many gangs.

01:17:04.000 There's so many different gang signs and everybody knows all of them. 0.98

01:17:07.000 And then dumb kids goof off and throw the gang signs up and then find themselves in a hospital. 0.97

01:17:12.000 It's crazy out there. 1.00

01:17:13.000 It's like calling Bloody Mary.

01:17:14.000 If you wore the wrong color clothes, you weren't a gang.

01:17:18.000 So it's like if you wore...

01:17:20.000 It was always a combination of black with something else.

01:17:22.000 Black and yellow?

01:17:23.000 You're in trouble, bro.

01:17:25.000 You're not an anarchist.

01:17:26.000 I forgot which gang that was.

01:17:28.000 But they'd see you and they'd be like, Why are you wearing those clothes here?

01:17:31.000 I remember D.L. Hughley, I worked on two of his books, and I learned a lot from him.

01:17:35.000 And he talked about when he was growing up in South Central, they had some kind of bill or what do you call it when they vote on a referendum, or the governor basically pulled money for school buses.

01:17:45.000 So you had to walk to school.

01:17:47.000 And he's like, I had to walk through a crypt neighborhood and a blood neighborhood. 0.97

01:17:50.000 So like, no matter what I did, I was SOL.

01:17:53.000 Don't wear blue, don't wear red.

01:17:54.000 Yep. That's crazy.

01:17:56.000 Good lord.

01:17:57.000 Yeah, I've had friends who Got roughed up because they were wearing clothes they weren't supposed to be wearing.

01:18:01.000 Like just literally like a 15-year-old kid wearing gym shorts and a jersey and they pull up and they run up to him and they start punching him.

01:18:07.000 I remember that being very prevalent in the 90s, but you think it's still like that in Chicago right now?

01:18:10.000 I don't know about right now.

01:18:11.000 There are certain neighborhoods where if you don't wear a beanie, it's game over.

01:18:14.000 Yeah, we're in one right now.

01:18:15.000 There are neighborhoods in Chicago where 40 guys will be standing on each street corner and if you walk past them, they will kill you.

01:18:22.000 I'm not kidding.

01:18:23.000 I had a friend...

01:18:25.000 Wait, wait, I was saying literally like on the corner is like a little mob?

01:18:28.000 Yeah. Oh, wow, okay.

01:18:30.000 There's part, there's area of Chicago, these areas have names, where...

01:18:36.000 So, I once, when I moved to the suburbs, when I was like 18, I met a bunch of the guys out there, and I became friends with some skateboarders, and I told one of my buddies, like, let's go, let's go skate in Chicago, and he's like, let's ride.

01:18:48.000 Got in my car, so I drove through one of these neighborhoods, and there's, on every corner, Maybe they care a little.

01:19:17.000 Well, no, it's like if you're walking in that neighborhood.

01:19:19.000 You know, to be honest, it's not always like that.

01:19:24.000 If you walked into that area and walked up to those guys, they'd probably start busting out laughing, rob you, and then say, get out of here, white boy, what are you doing? 0.74

01:19:31.000 But if you went up there with any kind of, hey man, you can't do this to me, then they'd be like, we'll show you what we can do to you. 0.98

01:19:37.000 And so I had a friend, this girl from my neighborhood, walked into one of these neighborhoods when she was like 17, and like a 60-year-old black guy walked up to her and stopped her, physically grabbed her and said, young lady, you're gonna turn around right now or you're gonna die.

01:19:51.000 Like that's how these neighbors are like.

01:19:52.000 It's all racially segregated.

01:19:54.000 Yeah, I grew up right next to Newburgh Newburgh, it's like a small city in New York.

01:19:58.000 Oh, yeah, like that was when I used to do really bad things We go to Newburgh to get those things and just imagine like early 2000s for super pale goth looking kids rolling through Newburgh to get it like a dime bag But it was fun.

01:20:11.000 We never had a problem I think only once was one guy chased out with like an automatic gun.

01:20:14.000 Well, this is the thing about cartels when You know why you're safe in Cancun or Tijuana?

01:20:22.000 You go down there, you don't gotta worry about crime.

01:20:24.000 American tourists?

01:20:27.000 Cartels run these things.

01:20:28.000 If American tourists get hurt, American tourists stop coming.

01:20:32.000 I grew up in Bensonhurst, and back in the day, it was an Italian mafia neighborhood. 0.68

01:20:38.000 And even though New York at that time was not a safe place, you better believe Bensonhurst was very, very safe.

01:20:44.000 There's this story about a hotel, casino, somewhere in the Yucatan part of Mexico or whatever, And, uh, there were two female tourists who got kidnapped and killed, and then the, uh, American tour stopped going.

01:21:00.000 Immediately, all the business dried up, so the cartel found the two guys who did it and flayed them alive.

01:21:05.000 Jesus. And made sure everybody watched, everybody knew they did it.

01:21:08.000 And tourism picked up?

01:21:10.000 Uh, no, it never came back.

01:21:11.000 But they were basically like, we were making millions of dollars per year off of Americans coming and buying our stuff, and you destroyed everything.

01:21:21.000 And so they made sure everyone knew.

01:21:23.000 There's a thing about the cartels, man, operating in the United States, it's so freaky.

01:21:26.000 When Anonymous was big in like 2010, there were a couple of Mexican Anonymous guys who were trying to go after the cartel, saying like, we'll expose you.

01:21:36.000 A few days later, their bodies were hung from a highway sign.

01:21:40.000 Just blood, dead.

01:21:42.000 They just took off that lady's head. 1.00

01:21:43.000 What was she, a chief of police or mayor? 0.81

01:21:45.000 Oh, right.

01:21:45.000 And then put it on top of her cop car or something.

01:21:47.000 They put it on her car?

01:21:48.000 Yes. That was just like, how many assassinations happened last year of a presidential candidate?

01:21:53.000 20? Ah, it's crazy.

01:21:54.000 Wait, in Mexico?

01:21:55.000 Yeah. Oh, it's all the time.

01:21:56.000 20? They assassinated like 20, maybe 30. 36 people.

01:21:59.000 You're right.

01:22:00.000 36. Maybe we should be importing more Mexicans. 1.00

01:22:04.000 That's what I'm hearing.

01:22:06.000 The thing about the cartels though.

01:22:07.000 Money? This is what people gotta understand.

01:22:11.000 People are not crazy for the most part. 0.77

01:22:13.000 Meaning, sometimes you will encounter a gangbanger in Chicago who's like, I'm gonna kill this person.

01:22:20.000 There's one gang I won't name where their initiation requirement is that you murder somebody.

01:22:25.000 And if you live in their territory as a child, and you're growing up, you have to join the gang.

01:22:30.000 So what they do is they go to this kid, and they say, we got somebody, here's a gun, go do it, you'll get out when you're 18. And I actually know people who have gone through that.

01:22:38.000 And they go to Juvie until they're 18, they get out, and they got shot.

01:22:42.000 Two deaths.

01:22:42.000 Cartels do the same.

01:22:43.000 They enlist really young.

01:22:44.000 So, like, they're just making nihilists and violence just, like, breathing to them.

01:22:48.000 But for the most part, if you walk up to the gangs, they're gonna be like, are you buying?

01:22:53.000 You gonna make money for me?

01:22:55.000 And so it's not always, like, that's why I'm saying, like, they'll just rob you.

01:22:59.000 If you walk up to one of these neighborhoods or these guys on the corner, they're gonna be like, free money!

01:23:02.000 Thanks, bro!

01:23:03.000 I'll take your stuff.

01:23:03.000 But they don't want trouble, so they're gonna say, get out of here now.

01:23:05.000 Leave. Yeah.

01:23:07.000 Unless you come up with an attitude or act like you have a right to be there, then they might be like, okay, we'll show you your rights.

01:23:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:12.000 Let's lighten the mood.

01:23:14.000 We got a story from the Postmillennial.

01:23:17.000 Major flop!

01:23:18.000 Disney's live-action Snow White expected to lose $115 million.

01:23:23.000 Did you know it is one of the lowest rated films now on IMDb?

01:23:27.000 How low are we talking?

01:23:27.000 I think it's like the eighth lowest.

01:23:29.000 Really? Yeah.

01:23:30.000 It's bad.

01:23:31.000 It can't be that bad.

01:23:32.000 There were problems in the actual story, like the Story they had had issues.

01:23:40.000 They tried to remedy those issues.

01:23:42.000 There was problems with Dinklage was complaining about the dwarves.

01:23:47.000 So they tried to change it from the in it or was he just complaining about the doors?

01:23:50.000 He was complaining about dwarves.

01:23:51.000 He was complaining They were complaining that there were dwarves and so they changed the dwarves to the Companions and the companion people were like bandits the bandits they did it.

01:24:01.000 Oh, they were like then they were like, okay We have to get rid of the band.

01:24:04.000 So the my point being there were multiple Problems with the actual storyline.

01:24:09.000 And then, once the movie was finished, Rachel Ziegler was terrible for promotion. 1.00

01:24:15.000 She was saying things that were completely polarizing.

01:24:17.000 Whether or not- like, your opinion- I- I- I gotta- I gotta pause you, Phil, because I think you glossed over the most important part.

01:24:23.000 What's that?

01:24:24.000 It was not the seven companions.

01:24:26.000 What was it?

01:24:27.000 They did change it to the bandits, but initially it was the seven racially and gender diverse companions.

01:24:34.000 Yeah. There you go, Michael.

01:24:36.000 It's funny, Vanity Fair just had a headline that says, even though it's a flop, they made Rachel Ziegler into an icon.

01:24:41.000 It's like, no, you're trying to make Fetch happen.

01:24:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:43.000 You're trying to make her an icon.

01:24:44.000 No one gives you an icon. 1.00

01:24:45.000 She's a pain in the ass. 1.00

01:24:46.000 She was completely unlikable. 1.00

01:24:47.000 And again, you don't have to... 1.00

01:24:49.000 How ridiculous. 0.97

01:24:53.000 Here's what happened. 0.96

01:24:55.000 They were making the movie.

01:24:57.000 Peter Dinklage did a podcast where he said, are you seriously doing dwarves?

01:25:01.000 Like, how backwards?

01:25:02.000 What year is it?

01:25:04.000 And it became a big story.

01:25:05.000 What year does Snow White take place?

01:25:06.000 It's not 2025.

01:25:07.000 What are you talking about?

01:25:08.000 It's medieval.

01:25:09.000 Right. And more importantly, dwarves are mythological creatures who are born from the clay of mountains.

01:25:14.000 They're not little people.

01:25:15.000 Okay, can we stop this?

01:25:16.000 I have to tell this story.

01:25:16.000 I've told this story several times, but this bears...

01:25:19.000 It's April Fool's.

01:25:20.000 Let's have fun.

01:25:21.000 I remember exactly where I was as a kid on Shore Parkway.

01:25:23.000 I was like four or five.

01:25:25.000 And I was at that age where you start understanding, okay, dinosaurs are real, dragons are fake, unicorns are fake, snakes are real, ninjas are real.

01:25:33.000 I know where this is going.

01:25:34.000 Ninjas are real, elves are fake.

01:25:36.000 And that was the first time in my life I saw a little person.

01:25:38.000 And he turns the corner in his little denim vest, and I saw him, and I'm like, well, back to drawing board.

01:25:43.000 I thought I had it!

01:25:47.000 Here's what happened.

01:25:48.000 Incredible. Peter Dinklage complained.

01:25:51.000 So, what we believe happened was they said, okay, let's do Snow White and the bandits instead.

01:25:57.000 And they'll be a racially and gender diverse group of people.

01:26:01.000 One of them, of course, will be a little person so that we're not...

01:26:03.000 Is that not Peter Dinklage right there?

01:26:05.000 No, no, no, no, no, okay.

01:26:05.000 Can we get rid of having a minority person be a bandit for once?

01:26:08.000 Okay. Well, that's true.

01:26:10.000 Two of them, actually.

01:26:10.000 Right? Three.

01:26:11.000 So, then what happened was there was a major backlash when this photo emerged.

01:26:15.000 And everyone began mocking the film, saying no one's going to want to see Snow White in the seven...

01:26:19.000 Gender, you know the benefits on it. 1.00

01:26:21.000 Yeah, so then they decided to do the dwarves But instead of casting people because it was offensive.

01:26:27.000 They would CGI the right home.

01:26:30.000 They merged the two films together So there's no prince.

01:26:33.000 There's a bandit.

01:26:35.000 She is she fights alongside the seven bandits before meeting the seven dwarves Wait, what? 0.99

01:26:41.000 Yes They're too going.

01:26:43.000 They're going for like what Lily Phillips was doing in all her videos. 0.96

01:26:46.000 They combined both stories And they made a hodgepodge nonsense.

01:26:51.000 Okay. And we're also not talking about the fact that she's not Snow White.

01:26:55.000 Indeed. What did Michael Knowles call her?

01:26:57.000 Sand brown? 0.52

01:26:58.000 Sand beige.

01:26:59.000 Sand beige.

01:27:00.000 Here's the best part.

01:27:02.000 In the original Snow White, which you've seen, I imagine.

01:27:04.000 Yes, of course.

01:27:05.000 Snow White does nothing. 0.52

01:27:08.000 She doesn't do anything.

01:27:09.000 Right. She gets kicked out of her house, a guy tries to kill her, changes his mind, she runs away.

01:27:14.000 She cleans up this- the animals' leader to the dwarves, where she cleans a messy house and sings and dances. 0.99

01:27:18.000 She then eats a poisoned apple and passes out.

01:27:21.000 Then the prince comes and kisses her, and the wicked witch dies by an accident, getting struck by lightning. 0.92

01:27:25.000 There is no great heroic moment.

01:27:27.000 There is no moment where Snow White defeats the evil queen.

01:27:29.000 The prince doesn't defeat the evil queen.

01:27:30.000 She literally goes on a mountain and gets struck by lightning.

01:27:32.000 The prince has no idea what happened, and he just walks up and says, hey, here's some beautiful woman. 0.77

01:27:35.000 Like, she's my true love, I'll kiss her.

01:27:36.000 And she wakes up, and they're like, wonder what that was all about?

01:27:39.000 In this Snow White, she joins the bandits, fights the guards, makes it back to the city, where she challenges the evil Queen and reawakens the spirit of the nation by reminding them of their names.

01:27:50.000 The Queen doesn't even know. 1.00

01:27:51.000 The Queen then flees, commits suicide, not a joke, and Snow White has a ditty party with everyone in the castle.

01:27:57.000 Did you watch this movie?

01:27:58.000 A ditty party?

01:27:59.000 No, I watched a bunch of different reviews.

01:28:01.000 So, a ditty party is where everyone dresses in white and dances around.

01:28:04.000 That's not all they do.

01:28:05.000 That's what everyone calls it.

01:28:06.000 That's not what all they do.

01:28:08.000 Is there a mirror?

01:28:09.000 There is.

01:28:10.000 Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:11.000 And the best part about this, I was watching Nerdrotic, the original line is, magic mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all?

01:28:20.000 And in the movie she says, magic mirror on the wall, who's, she says the other line, who's the fairest one of all?

01:28:27.000 Wait, wait, or of them all.

01:28:28.000 Right. Yeah, is that what she says?

01:28:30.000 Yes. Yeah, of them all.

01:28:31.000 And that's, That was like a Mandela effect mistake.

01:28:34.000 People were saying the wrong line.

01:28:35.000 Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all?

01:28:38.000 Or who's the fairest of them all?

01:28:39.000 Sorry. One of all is the correct one.

01:28:41.000 They couldn't even get the line right.

01:28:43.000 It's like they didn't even know what they were doing.

01:28:44.000 And the best part is they cancelled the red carpet for it before it came out.

01:28:48.000 It might be a sleeper cult classic.

01:28:50.000 Well, maybe like The Room.

01:28:52.000 Like the Toxic Ranger kind of thing?

01:28:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:55.000 No, that one's actually awesome.

01:28:56.000 No, no, The Room.

01:28:57.000 Like Basket Case.

01:28:58.000 I like that one, too.

01:29:00.000 Come on, Basket Case.

01:29:00.000 Like The Room.

01:29:01.000 The Room, but that even sounds better than this.

01:29:03.000 You know what the thing is about this?

01:29:06.000 Kids don't like diversity.

01:29:08.000 They don't care.

01:29:09.000 Like, when you're five, your idea of diversity is there's a rabbit, and there's a talking owl, and there's this dwarf.

01:29:16.000 Get rid of all that.

01:29:17.000 This is a really good point.

01:29:18.000 No, no, no.

01:29:19.000 No anthropomorphized animals for my kid.

01:29:21.000 This is a really good point.

01:29:21.000 Okay, hold on.

01:29:22.000 No, no, no.

01:29:23.000 We got a moment here.

01:29:25.000 That's a joyless childhood.

01:29:25.000 Okay, I hear autism speaking.

01:29:27.000 Please, go ahead.

01:29:29.000 Why would I want my child's neurological pathways to be built around looking at a screen of anthropomorphized animals who do not exist, and starting to build an identity around things that are not real?

01:29:39.000 When I gave you Dianetics, it was a joke.

01:29:41.000 You weren't supposed to read it.

01:29:42.000 That is not in Dianetics.

01:29:44.000 I read Dianetics.

01:29:45.000 Actually, I read the first chapter of Dianetics, and then I laughed and put it down.

01:29:48.000 Have you ever read it?

01:29:49.000 No, I have not.

01:29:51.000 It's crafty.

01:29:52.000 My friend Steph, who I went to Japan with, this is one of my favorite stories about her.

01:29:55.000 When she was like five or six, she'd watch these live-action shows, and the person in a Mickey Mouse costume or a dog, And she'd be like, why are they talking that person a dog suit if it's a dog?

01:30:04.000 Are they trying to trick me?

01:30:05.000 I'm seeing right through them.

01:30:06.000 Because she thought it was deception, as opposed to like, suspension of disbelief.

01:30:11.000 Deception? Yes.

01:30:12.000 I think anthropomorphized animals in shows cause identity disorders in young people.

01:30:20.000 Look, you think they're gonna make your kid an otherkin? 1.00

01:30:23.000 No, a furry.

01:30:24.000 You mean otherkin? 0.98

01:30:26.000 Otherkin are people who think they're mythological creatures?

01:30:28.000 No, no, that's the...

01:30:29.000 No, no, no, no, sir.

01:30:30.000 Dad. That is the dispute within the Otherkin community.

01:30:34.000 I'm not kidding.

01:30:35.000 The dispute is, I'm an Otherkin who believes I'm a dog, and Shane is an Otherkin who thinks he's a dragon.

01:30:41.000 Dragons don't exist.

01:30:42.000 Are you really an Otherkin or do you have a screw loose? 1.00

01:30:44.000 I know.

01:30:45.000 There's Owlkin, Wolfkin, etc.

01:30:47.000 But there are no Dragonkin because dragons aren't real.

01:30:49.000 That's not what I'm talking about.

01:30:50.000 Okay. So, the kin community actually believe that they have an affinity for the animal, like the spirits within them.

01:30:56.000 Correct, yes.

01:30:56.000 Furries dress up like cartoon animals.

01:30:58.000 Correct, yes, and engage with each other.

01:30:59.000 And that's rooted in an identity disorder developed around anthropomorphized animals in cartoons.

01:31:03.000 I don't believe this at all, and here's why I think you're wrong.

01:31:06.000 Because anthropomorphized animals have been a thing since the 20s, at least, and the furry phenomenon is very recent.

01:31:11.000 Because of the expansion of mass media?

01:31:14.000 No, everyone saw Snow White in the theaters back in the day.

01:31:16.000 Everyone saw Robin Hood when he's a fox.

01:31:19.000 Yes. We all grew up on these.

01:31:20.000 I talk to animals in real life.

01:31:22.000 I'm fine.

01:31:22.000 So there's two things to consider.

01:31:23.000 Sure. The expansion of media, the population expansion, meaning, uh, the meme is this.

01:31:28.000 Uh, in 1990, a man says he wants to, he's hot for toasters.

01:31:35.000 Okay. A guy smacks him on the back of the head and says, shut up, you weirdo. 1.00

01:31:37.000 Right. 2024, he says he's hot for toasters, goes online, finds a community of toaster lovers, and now he's going around with a group of people at a toaster convention. 0.99

01:31:44.000 I'm familiar with Battery Kin.

01:31:46.000 Oh. Okay.

01:31:47.000 I draw the line of anthropomorphized inanimate objects, but animals are fine.

01:31:51.000 Yeah, none of this, like, what's his name, the candelabra from Beauty and the Beast?

01:31:54.000 Get rid of that.

01:31:55.000 Yeah. Straight to the camp.

01:31:57.000 Lumiere, is that his name?

01:31:58.000 I don't know, I thought Beauty and the Beast was a messed up movie, to be honest.

01:32:00.000 Why's that?

01:32:01.000 Because it encourages people like uglies? 0.89

01:32:02.000 No, because, first of all, the witch who curses them curses the servants.

01:32:07.000 That's true, yeah.

01:32:08.000 Okay, first of all, all the prince did was say, like, it's my house, you can't come here, lady.

01:32:13.000 And so she tries to, you know, destroy his life and everything he has. 0.97

01:32:16.000 The servants who are just working jobs are cursed to be ridiculous objects. 0.74

01:32:20.000 Basically, one day you show up for work and you're like, look man, I don't know, all I do is I clean the floors and you get turned into a mop. 0.95

01:32:26.000 And that's like your existence forever until that guy learns to love.

01:32:29.000 That's what you did to Ian.

01:32:30.000 Look at his hair.

01:32:32.000 Well, isn't the point that like the, the, the person that did the cursing was actually bad and kind of crazy.

01:32:38.000 So, I mean, there's no good guys in that.

01:32:40.000 Gaston is the only good guy.

01:32:41.000 Why? Because of his pecs?

01:32:43.000 So, I would love to do...

01:32:46.000 One of the things I've always talked about doing with short films is making them from the perspective of, like, a realistic perspective.

01:32:52.000 Like, imagine if you did Beauty and the Beast, but the people were all normal, right? 0.83

01:32:57.000 So, Gaston is fine being an arrogant blowhard, sure, but he's not bouncing his pecs and eating dozens of eggs. 0.93

01:33:02.000 He would just be a guy in a bar laughing and boastful, right? 0.98

01:33:05.000 He hears that there's a gigantic monster that kidnapped a young woman, and he says, okay, we gotta go free her.

01:33:11.000 Not only to kidnap her, It kidnapped the dad, who was welcomed in. 0.99

01:33:16.000 Then, when she came to save her dad, imprisoned her, because it wants relations with her, Gaston was right to rally the townspeople to go stop that guy.

01:33:24.000 But the movie is propaganda, and they make him look like the bad guy.

01:33:27.000 It's pro-beast propaganda.

01:33:28.000 It's pro-furry.

01:33:29.000 Yeah. Indeed.

01:33:30.000 She falls in love with a... 0.52

01:33:31.000 And then, you know what they do to make Gaston the bad guy?

01:33:34.000 One scene.

01:33:36.000 After the fight, when the beast tries to help him, he stabs the beast.

01:33:41.000 Even though the fight is already over and then falls to his death.

01:33:44.000 If he didn't do that, the story is really just, there's some blowhard arrogant guy in the town who thinks he's all that, hears that a monster kidnapped a young lady, who he likes by the way, and he says, we can't tolerate this.

01:33:55.000 We have to do something about it. 0.54

01:33:56.000 He rallies the townspeople to stop the monster that is kidnapping people.

01:33:59.000 So Gaston is basically the Luigi of that movie.

01:34:01.000 Indeed he is.

01:34:02.000 There you go.

01:34:02.000 He's a hero.

01:34:04.000 He took matters into his own hands when the law failed.

01:34:07.000 Wow. Ace Clay's.

01:34:08.000 Actually, I think he was the law.

01:34:09.000 Are you gonna let your kid watch Toy Story with anthropomorphized toys?

01:34:15.000 What I think is in all seriousness is I don't think these kinds of weird things are age-appropriate until the kid is a bit older.

01:34:22.000 I think that's fair.

01:34:23.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:34:24.000 But these shows are intended for five-year-olds, right?

01:34:28.000 Let me just tell you, man.

01:34:31.000 There is a video that went viral of these like 10-year-old kids speaking in the 50s about post-World War II, and they sound like they're in their 50s.

01:34:39.000 Was it an Atlantic accent or something?

01:34:42.000 Well, they were British.

01:34:43.000 Oh, OK. Yeah.

01:34:43.000 But they were saying things like, I do think the consequences of the war will be quite profound on the economy, health care in particular.

01:34:48.000 And I'm wondering what we're going – and people are like, how are they so smart?

01:34:51.000 It's because they didn't have the BS media that we have today.

01:34:54.000 The kids – 200 years ago.

01:35:01.000 Sure. And so, they were told to act like adults.

01:35:04.000 There was no blues clues or bluey or weird garbage being jammed in these kids' faces.

01:35:09.000 Anybody, if you don't have kids, and you don't look for this stuff, you go on YouTube and look at what's being given to kids and tell me that stuff makes sense and you want your kid to ingest it.

01:35:16.000 And also get, yeah, reject all that.

01:35:17.000 Not even Elseagate!

01:35:19.000 And also people don't realize the concept of teenager only happened in, what, the 50s?

01:35:22.000 Indeed. It's a very recent historic phenomenon.

01:35:26.000 To respect the privacy of my friends, I'll keep the story as vague as I can, but I had a friend who was telling me that their children must watch a particular kid's show on YouTube, otherwise they get mad.

01:35:35.000 And I said, how does your child know that show exists?

01:35:38.000 Wow. Give him a tablet one day.

01:35:40.000 It's not this show, is it?

01:35:40.000 God help those kids.

01:35:42.000 God help those kids if they don't have the show. 0.86

01:35:46.000 The story of an anthropomorphized beanie advocating for civil war.

01:35:49.000 My kid is going to be taking care of chickens.

01:35:53.000 Doing chores, doing work, and I think people need to really understand, and they really don't, handing off that tablet to your kid is giving them a portal to help.

01:36:02.000 That I agree completely.

01:36:03.000 That's why we don't have a TV in the house and the kids get anything.

01:36:06.000 Those algorithms are no joke.

01:36:07.000 You know what, Mike?

01:36:08.000 You know what my daughter watched today?

01:36:11.000 You know what she saw?

01:36:12.000 What? Star Trek The Next Generation.

01:36:15.000 The pilot episode.

01:36:16.000 We watched the pilot.

01:36:17.000 We know, Tim.

01:36:18.000 No, no, it's never too young to get started on TNG.

01:36:22.000 She's got to learn about what it means to be a good leader.

01:36:24.000 I mean, she is the next generation.

01:36:25.000 Although, to be fair, when Picard is challenged by Q about his quest to Farpoint Station, and he's like, let's try and ram through him anyway!

01:36:33.000 I was like, dude, a powerful force is threatening to kill your people, and literally just froze a guy, seemingly to death.

01:36:40.000 At this point, you contact your superiors and say, we've encountered a devastating force we're retreating.

01:36:46.000 Nah, he was like, Do it anyway!

01:36:47.000 And like, I don't think that's a good leader.

01:36:49.000 But the show's great.

01:36:49.000 There's so many blue puzzle pieces floating around the air right now, I don't even know how to handle it.

01:36:53.000 Well, you gotta understand the importance of the next generation.

01:36:57.000 Of course, I have two nephews.

01:36:58.000 I have a lot of fun being the corrupting uncle.

01:37:01.000 No, no, no.

01:37:01.000 The show.

01:37:02.000 We had this argument before.

01:37:04.000 I can't stand that stuff. 1.00

01:37:06.000 In all seriousness, if your kids don't know it exists, they can't demand the stupid idiot. 1.00

01:37:11.000 Yes. And it's crazy to me that they're- I've had people say, oh, that's so funny, Tim. 1.00

01:37:16.000 Your kid's gonna get into weird stuff.

01:37:18.000 There's nothing you can do about it.

01:37:18.000 And I'm like, you're wrong.

01:37:20.000 Completely wrong.

01:37:20.000 Even if they're right, it's like, shouldn't you make it as hard to them as possible?

01:37:23.000 Yes. I have complete control over what my kids watch.

01:37:25.000 Yeah. They're not getting any of that.

01:37:26.000 Right. That's it.

01:37:27.000 We know who they're hanging out with.

01:37:28.000 And here's the other thing.

01:37:31.000 I'm surprised you're getting any pushback, because every single person watching this has gone down a YouTube algorithm rabbit hole, and you end up being like, why am I seeing this?

01:37:39.000 This has happened to all of us.

01:37:40.000 Now imagine if you're five.

01:37:41.000 What are you talking about?

01:37:42.000 Oh, dude.

01:37:43.000 You cannot leave a child alone with an algorithm.

01:37:45.000 The severity of the Elsagate goes beyond just Elsa and Spider-Man running around.

01:37:49.000 It was showing videos of kids eating out of urinals.

01:37:52.000 No. I'm not kidding.

01:37:53.000 There were pictures of children eating feces.

01:37:59.000 Uh, because babies can't... 1.00

01:38:01.000 The algorithm was just autoplaying the next video.

01:38:03.000 Right. So whatever had the most keywords had the most watch time.

01:38:07.000 And the comments are all gibberish because the babies would hit the screen and comment gibberish.

01:38:11.000 They were doing to the babies what they're doing to, uh, in Clockwork Orange.

01:38:14.000 Yep. There's going to be a generation of people who are severely disabled because of this.

01:38:19.000 Yes. Because this was like three or four years.

01:38:21.000 So there's a kid who was five years old and the parents gave him the tablet and he's sitting there looking at it and he's sitting there staring at it.

01:38:27.000 He goes through this for three years, he's eight years old, and the only thing he can think of is Adolf Hitler with breasts doing Tai Chi with the Incredible Hulk.

01:38:36.000 That's not a joke, that's actually one of the videos that was continually going viral.

01:38:40.000 Were these videos basically AI randomly generated?

01:38:43.000 No, this is before that, I think.

01:38:46.000 I remember I saw this channel where it's just like, I don't even understand like how it got all these views, like what the rest of the journey, it would be like a beach and there's a fish head Sticking out the sand and then eel comes out the fish's mouth.

01:39:10.000 I'm like, what am I watching?

01:39:12.000 Here you go.

01:39:13.000 Like Salvador Dali.

01:39:14.000 Yeah, but this one's got 170,000 views.

01:39:18.000 Okay. No.

01:39:20.000 Here's Hitler with breasts. 1.00

01:39:26.000 Don't watch this everyone. 0.99

01:39:28.000 This is MKUltra.

01:39:29.000 Here I am, here I am, how do you do?

01:39:33.000 Why is Adolf Hitler on each finger as it's singing about the fingers? 0.95

01:39:36.000 And why does he have breasts and is a woman? 1.00

01:39:39.000 And why is there copyright infringement?

01:39:40.000 That Minnie Mouse is owned by Disney.

01:39:42.000 So, apparently what was happening is that the YouTube algorithm...

01:39:46.000 So, at the time, like what was the biggest History Channel stuff before 18 Aliens?

01:39:51.000 It was World War II. Sure.

01:39:53.000 So these things were really interesting to people.

01:39:55.000 So, Mickey Mouse, the Hulk, they're viral search terms.

01:39:58.000 So these videos are being procedurally generated.

01:40:00.000 Also, you notice the language?

01:40:03.000 Listen to the song.

01:40:17.000 They clearly don't speak English and they don't live in this country. 1.00

01:40:21.000 They were making content and making lots of money off it and it was frying the brains of babies.

01:40:25.000 That's how you destroy a generation.

01:40:27.000 Well, YouTube ended up getting rid of it as a huge scandal.

01:40:32.000 I should try and find my video from my 2018 YouTube.com slash Timcast where I originally had it.

01:40:44.000 Because this evolved to the point where they were little chibi cartoon characters where they were doing things like peeing each other's mouths.

01:40:51.000 No. Eating feces out of the toilet.

01:40:52.000 I'm not kidding.

01:40:52.000 There were videos of people.

01:40:53.000 All over YouTube kids.

01:40:54.000 YouTube. Messed up like princesses in Spider-Man running around with like needles and stuff. 1.00

01:40:57.000 Yes, but this was.

01:40:58.000 Like live action?

01:40:59.000 Yes. Yes.

01:41:00.000 I feel so naive.

01:41:01.000 And it evolved to a point where there were people in Eastern Europe who are literally giving saline injections to their daughters.

01:41:07.000 Jesus. And getting millions of views.

01:41:09.000 Stop. Not kidding.

01:41:10.000 Insanity. So, You're talking about holding your kids hostage, right?

01:41:15.000 I can wrap my head around Mara if you're making a lot of money.

01:41:20.000 That, you can follow the logic.

01:41:22.000 I see what you're saying.

01:41:24.000 So I'm just saying...

01:41:24.000 It's evil, but I can understand their path.

01:41:31.000 When my daughter is probably around 7 or 8 is when she'll get to watch The Simpsons with me.

01:41:36.000 Okay. That's how old I was when I started watching The Simpsons, I think.

01:41:39.000 Okay. Maybe I was younger than that.

01:41:41.000 But The Simpsons is fantastic.

01:41:42.000 Up to season 9, after that, cut off.

01:41:45.000 And I'm gonna tell her that that's when season got- I'm gonna say Simpsons got cancelled.

01:41:47.000 No, you're gonna say Bart went back to his own planet.

01:41:50.000 Oh, he died.

01:41:50.000 He died on the way to his own planet.

01:41:52.000 Yep. After season 9, right before, I think, the Armin Tamzarian episode, I'm gonna be like, and that's it. 0.64

01:41:58.000 There's no episodes anymore.

01:41:59.000 Yeah. No more.

01:42:00.000 But we're going to watch all of Star Trek Next Generation, and then, once she's a little older, Deep Space Nine, because...

01:42:05.000 Wait, so I have to ask, you're not going to let her watch Chronicles of Narnia?

01:42:09.000 Um, maybe.

01:42:10.000 Aslan? I think I'd rather just have her read the books.

01:42:13.000 That's true, but Aslan is a talking lion.

01:42:15.000 Indeed. But he's not a weird cartoon, like, humanoid anthropomorphized thing.

01:42:21.000 Okay. It is anthropomorphized to a degree.

01:42:23.000 And also, what he's saying matters, too.

01:42:23.000 It's not any BS, it's his motto.

01:42:26.000 Okay, sure, sure, yeah.

01:42:28.000 Yeah, I think largely.

01:42:29.000 No Winnie-the-Pooh.

01:42:30.000 She's not gonna have internet stuff.

01:42:32.000 That's good.

01:42:33.000 At all.

01:42:33.000 Yeah. For a long time.

01:42:35.000 No Winnie-the-Pooh.

01:42:36.000 No tablets.

01:42:37.000 And it is really fascinating to me how...

01:42:39.000 I don't know, it's just...

01:42:41.000 How people don't involve themselves in their kids' lives or have their kids involved in their lives.

01:42:45.000 It's not fast.

01:42:46.000 I think what it is, and I can't wrap my head around this, it's that people in this country for over a century are content to have the government raise their kids for them.

01:42:55.000 And conservatives yelling about, like, open the schools again.

01:42:58.000 I'm like, don't.

01:42:59.000 I always say this all the time.

01:43:00.000 Don't be surprised when People who despise you teach your kids to despise your values.

01:43:05.000 Real complacent outsourcing their parenting.

01:43:08.000 And what the teachers were doing were telling the students your parents are trying to hurt you, you've got to keep these secrets, and they were scared.

01:43:13.000 And then they made the parents into enemies.

01:43:16.000 Evil. We're gonna go to your chats, my friends, so smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know.

01:43:21.000 Are you gonna share the cartoon you made of Mean Rose Dan?

01:43:23.000 Well, yeah, let's show that on the uncensored portion.

01:43:26.000 Okay. And the video, the clip of Mean Rose Dan paying up.

01:43:28.000 We could talk about that.

01:43:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:29.000 We'll play, uh...

01:43:31.000 Yeah, we do gotta get to the chat, so we'll play that.

01:43:33.000 That's at rumble.com slash timcastIRL.

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01:43:42.000 Do it!

01:43:44.000 Alright, what do we got?

01:43:46.000 I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, can you coexist with people who seek your demise?

01:43:50.000 Yes, it's called women. 1.00

01:43:52.000 Haha! But the answer is yes.

01:43:54.000 Of course you can.

01:43:55.000 Yeah. In fact, most of the world, you have to.

01:43:58.000 North Korea wants to destroy us, that's nice. 1.00

01:44:00.000 We gotta trade with them.

01:44:02.000 We have to open up trade to destabilize and alter their structures. 0.62

01:44:06.000 I know that they didn't specify, but are they talking about nations or are they talking about individuals?

01:44:11.000 Just in general.

01:44:12.000 But in either case, not only can you, you have no choice.

01:44:15.000 There's three people in this room that if I had my druthers, they'd be the rap.

01:44:19.000 At least three.

01:44:20.000 Good to see you, Michael.

01:44:21.000 I wish I could say the same.

01:44:23.000 He's only sparing Serge.

01:44:25.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:44:26.000 All right.

01:44:29.000 Raybert G. Stambert Jr. says, Dan, Tim, congrats on getting the question as a guest for tonight's show.

01:44:33.000 Surprised he's following the FBI election story and not something in Gotham.

01:44:37.000 Can't I do both?

01:44:39.000 I thought the question was a great character.

01:44:41.000 Agreed. Yeah.

01:44:43.000 You know, it was made by Steve Ditko.

01:44:44.000 Oh, really?

01:44:46.000 Wait a minute, you don't know the story to the question?

01:44:47.000 No. Young man.

01:44:51.000 Steve Ditko, co-creator of Spider-Man, and then he left Marvel.

01:44:54.000 He created a character called Mr. A, who is based on Ayn Rand's philosophy of objectivism.

01:44:58.000 A, black and white, and whatever.

01:45:00.000 And that became the question, who later became Rorschach.

01:45:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:04.000 Oh, he became Rorschach.

01:45:05.000 You know what's really sad is, for Watchmen, Alan Moore wanted to use the DC characters, and they wouldn't let him.

01:45:10.000 Yep, and what's even funnier than that is my mentor, Harvey P. Carr, God rest his soul, from American Splendor, he went on a book tour to promote his work when the movie came out, and he calls me when he gets back from Europe, And he goes, when he was in Scotland, he had met with Alan Moore, and I gasped.

01:45:23.000 I'm like, THE Alan Moore?

01:45:25.000 And Harvey Picard says to me, yeah, THE Alan Moore. 1.00

01:45:28.000 And I felt like an asshole. 0.99

01:45:29.000 But that happened. 0.99

01:45:30.000 The algorithm just recently gave me a Harvey Picard, his letterman.

01:45:35.000 Oh, there's a lot of them.

01:45:36.000 You're in for a treat, man.

01:45:37.000 He's incredible.

01:45:38.000 I'm so honored that that guy was in my life.

01:45:40.000 Watchmen's fantastic.

01:45:41.000 Yes, it is, sir.

01:45:42.000 It's one of the greatest things ever. 0.80

01:45:43.000 And it's really kind of stupid because people don't realize this, there was a bunch of characters that Charlton Comics had, they short-lived in the 60s, DC acquired them, they were sitting on the shelf for like 20 years, Alan Moore's like, hey, let me do this story with them, revitalize them, they're like, nah, and it's like, they never ended up doing anything with those characters anyway, so it's just like, it's dumb. 0.95

01:46:03.000 Terrible. Indeed. 0.97

01:46:04.000 Alright, let's see what we got going on with these Rumble Rants over here.

01:46:08.000 Uh-oh, knee-boop says something about the question, but we're not gonna read it.

01:46:11.000 Okay. Uh, let's see.

01:46:13.000 That's a period.

01:46:15.000 Izdestroyer says, question for the question, what was it like dating Huntress?

01:46:19.000 Oh, she wouldn't shut up about, like, her dead parents.

01:46:23.000 Blah, blah, blah, my mom was Catwoman. 1.00

01:46:25.000 I don't care.

01:46:27.000 Was her mom Catwoman? 0.92

01:46:28.000 Yeah, and Bruce Wayne, and Earth 2. Oh, okay, but that's not her original story, isn't it?

01:46:33.000 That's the original, then Earth 2 ceased to exist, and then she's like, who am I?

01:46:36.000 And then they gave her this whole orphanage thing. 0.99

01:46:38.000 Yeah, okay.

01:46:39.000 That was the whole point.

01:46:40.000 That's why she's a hunter. 0.97

01:46:40.000 She's Batman meets Catwoman. 0.97

01:46:42.000 Oh, interesting.

01:46:43.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:46:47.000 Aso says, Michael Malice's supervillain aura is immaculate and should absolutely remain masked for the entire show.

01:46:54.000 I can't help that I'm this ugly.

01:46:56.000 I'm sorry.

01:46:56.000 It's the face my parents gave me.

01:46:58.000 One of my favorite DC moments is, I can't remember what it's from, one of the movies where the question discovers that Lex Luthor is like gonna run for president or that he's doing something untoward.

01:47:09.000 And then he's in Luther's office rummaging through everything and Luther catches him and he's like, I know what your plan is, Luther.

01:47:16.000 You're going to win the presidency and you're going to take over.

01:47:18.000 And Luther says, do you have any idea how much power I would have to give up to be the president?

01:47:23.000 Yeah, it's so good.

01:47:26.000 Fun, fun, fun.

01:47:29.000 Let's see.

01:47:32.000 L86 says, since you're talking about guns, currently Colorado SB25003 is at the governor's desk.

01:47:37.000 It's basically a gun ban.

01:47:38.000 What does it do?

01:47:39.000 It's a, I believe, I haven't read the details of it, but it's something along the lines of it bans semi-automatic rifles and the wording basically allows them to ban any, arbitrarily ban any Yeah.

01:48:00.000 Who do you think's out?

01:48:08.000 No. Are we legally allowed to clone him and then rapidly age him so that he's a young...

01:48:14.000 I don't think experimenting on black people is allowed in this country. 0.83

01:48:17.000 I think after Tuskegee, it's kind of like, eh. 0.93

01:48:19.000 It's not an experiment.

01:48:20.000 We've mastered cloning.

01:48:21.000 I think he's going to step down because he's very political.

01:48:25.000 He's not going to want his successor to be appointed by Democrats.

01:48:29.000 I think that's going to happen.

01:48:30.000 And I bet you, you know, we live in the best timeline.

01:48:33.000 What about Alito?

01:48:33.000 I think one of the leftists is going to step down or have something happen.

01:48:38.000 Hagen has health issues, doesn't she? 0.99

01:48:40.000 It was Sotomayor.

01:48:41.000 Oh, that's it.

01:48:41.000 Sotomayor, yes.

01:48:42.000 Diabetes. Yeah.

01:48:43.000 Yeah. Watch.

01:48:44.000 You're right about Thomas because he's not a moron. 0.99

01:48:45.000 He's not a moron. 0.99

01:48:46.000 And he's also actually, as a black man, he's like 70. He's no spring chicken. 1.00

01:48:50.000 Ginsburg could have bowed out.

01:48:51.000 Right. And she was like, nope, Hillary's going to win. 1.00

01:48:54.000 Right. Yep.

01:48:55.000 So that's my prediction.

01:48:57.000 I think you're right, yeah.

01:48:58.000 I wonder who Trump will nominate.

01:49:02.000 And here's the other thing.

01:49:03.000 Sorry, go ahead, Phil.

01:49:04.000 Hopefully, as a response to Tim, hopefully someone as conservative or as someone as textualist and originalist as Thomas.

01:49:11.000 I think everyone here is going to agree that all his staffing decisions are infinitely better than his first term.

01:49:16.000 So when it comes to Supreme Court, it's going to be a home run.

01:49:19.000 100%. What if it's Matt Gaetz?

01:49:21.000 It would never happen.

01:49:22.000 Isn't Matt Gaetz a lawyer?

01:49:23.000 It would never happen.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, it couldn't.

01:49:25.000 Yeah. It would never happen.

01:49:26.000 But I do think one thing we could do is just maybe we put Clarence Thomas in the Genesis device to de-age him by 40 years and then let him just stay on forever.

01:49:35.000 I think he wants to get in the RV and just roam the American highways.

01:49:39.000 I challenge this.

01:49:40.000 There was this interesting – I can't remember what it was.

01:49:42.000 I was reading an article from a researcher on senescence, they call it, aging.

01:49:46.000 Yeah, turtles don't have it. 0.82

01:49:47.000 They don't have senescence?

01:49:48.000 Turtles don't age you.

01:49:49.000 They don't understand why.

01:49:50.000 Lobsters either, I'm pretty sure.

01:49:51.000 And jellyfish.

01:49:52.000 Yeah, but there you go.

01:49:55.000 You like jellyfish because they look like a beanie.

01:49:57.000 That's right, they're little floating beanies.

01:49:58.000 The issue with aging and people who are like, I'm ready for retirement, is only because they're aged.

01:50:05.000 Yes. That if you were to take an individual and de-age them to 24, they would be perfectly content with everything.

01:50:11.000 So Clarence Thomas, wanting to go off into the sunset with his RV, if you de-age him to 24, he'd be like, I'm ready for the world.

01:50:17.000 Or it could be at a certain point, what, 30 years, you're sick of talking to these people.

01:50:22.000 Listen, man, if I had to listen to Kejenti Brown Jackson all the time...

01:50:28.000 I think she gets a bad rap.

01:50:29.000 I'm serious.

01:50:30.000 Really? Yeah.

01:50:31.000 Please tell me why.

01:50:32.000 Because I think it's easy to knock her as a D.I. hire, but I don't think she's anywhere near as dumb as people make her out to be. 1.00

01:50:38.000 She's perfectly fine with the others. 0.92

01:50:40.000 My criticism is not of her intellect.

01:50:45.000 I think she's perfectly smart.

01:50:46.000 I think it's her ideology that is the problem.

01:50:50.000 I think Sotomayor is worse than her.

01:50:52.000 I'm not sure that Sotomayor would have refused to answer what a woman is.

01:50:56.000 I'm going to defend that answer.

01:50:57.000 That's true.

01:50:58.000 Okay, I'm triggered.

01:50:59.000 Okay. All right, go ahead.

01:51:00.000 Okay, here we go.

01:51:00.000 Please. Okay, and I know people hear things through an us-through-them filter, so if I defend her, they're from a them.

01:51:05.000 No, no, no.

01:51:06.000 He admitted it.

01:51:07.000 He admitted it.

01:51:08.000 I'm a them.

01:51:09.000 I got him.

01:51:11.000 Something everyone in this room wants is for justices and judges to look at the law without ideology and have a blindfold on, right?

01:51:19.000 And not to bring in their own preconceptions.

01:51:21.000 To look at the Constitution and say, oh, right to privacy, therefore abortion.

01:51:25.000 We all agree that's crazy.

01:51:26.000 What the definition of a woman is, is properly in 2025 and 2023, whenever she was nominated, the role of the legislature. 0.99

01:51:34.000 It's not her job to bring in her definition.

01:51:36.000 It's to say, just like right now in the House of Representatives, they're defining it as your biological gender at birth.

01:51:42.000 They're referring to the congressperson from Delaware as Mr. You want a judge who says that's what the law says?

01:51:48.000 It's a guy.

01:51:48.000 That's not what she did.

01:51:49.000 That's what she meant.

01:51:50.000 I'm telling you that's what she meant.

01:51:53.000 She was right to refuse to answer that question because her opinion is not relevant.

01:51:57.000 But she could have said, This question, as a contentious issue in this country, this is an issue for the legislature to determine.

01:52:03.000 She'd be accused of ducking the question. 1.00

01:52:05.000 Instead, she sounded like a moron. 1.00

01:52:06.000 She specifically said, I'm not a biologist. 1.00

01:52:10.000 I'm not saying it's a good choice of words. 0.99

01:52:12.000 I'm saying this idea that she's stupid is not what was going on here. 0.99

01:52:16.000 Again, I'm not making the argument. 1.00

01:52:17.000 I'm not saying you are.

01:52:18.000 People, I see it online a lot. 1.00

01:52:19.000 Like, oh, she's what a moron. 1.00

01:52:19.000 She doesn't know. 1.00

01:52:20.000 She does know.

01:52:21.000 She's just acting like a judge should act.

01:52:24.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:52:25.000 All right.

01:52:27.000 Perhaps. All right, we got based Hafford in.

01:52:30.000 I just hate it when people insist on what a person is saying and not what they mean.

01:52:35.000 Just like with Trump, when he said the phrase, very fine people.

01:52:38.000 Oh, here I said, he said it!

01:52:39.000 Calm down.

01:52:40.000 That's not what he meant.

01:52:41.000 I'm trying to give her that grace.

01:52:43.000 That's fair enough.

01:52:44.000 And I understand what you're saying.

01:52:45.000 My intuition or I'm inclined to believe that it was ideologically motivated, not that it was actually true.

01:52:52.000 That could be it as well. 0.85

01:52:53.000 But she's not dumb. 1.00

01:52:54.000 That was a dumb thing to say. 0.98

01:52:55.000 Fair enough. 0.98

01:52:56.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:52:57.000 Not to you, but to people at home.

01:53:01.000 You should watch Attack on Titan.

01:53:17.000 I hate anime.

01:53:19.000 You should read Attack on Titan.

01:53:20.000 Okay. That's manga, isn't it?

01:53:22.000 Yeah. Can't do it.

01:53:23.000 Then I'll just spoil it for you.

01:53:24.000 I know what it is, the plot.

01:53:26.000 Yeah. The giants come to raid the cities, right?

01:53:29.000 I mean, that's, like, layer one.

01:53:31.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:31.000 The story is about a group of people who were oppressive in the past, and so they've been placed on an island to be punished because they're the oppressors.

01:53:38.000 Okay. And when they actually—they think the world is destroyed because they're being held prisoner.

01:53:43.000 The giant monsters are there to keep them in prison, and then when they finally start getting out, they realize there's a whole industrialized world, and they're viewed as evil white people. 0.97

01:53:52.000 Oh. Yeah. 0.98

01:53:53.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:53.000 That's very interesting.

01:53:54.000 So, yeah.

01:53:56.000 Uh... Yeah.

01:53:57.000 Okay. It's a bit more, like, obviously, so, the simple version is there's titans.

01:54:01.000 People could transform into giant monsters.

01:54:02.000 They use that power to dominate the world.

01:54:04.000 Then, at one point, the king agreed, you know what?

01:54:07.000 We are oppressors, so we're gonna go to the island and we're gonna just give up.

01:54:11.000 Then the rest of the world was like, lock him in and use his power against them and don't let them ever get out.

01:54:15.000 And when they get out later, people are like, you're one of them. 0.97

01:54:17.000 You're that evil oppressor race. 1.00

01:54:19.000 And so that's the pretext. 0.99

01:54:20.000 And then some kid gets crazy powers and decides to destroy the world.

01:54:23.000 It reminds me of Fantastic Planet.

01:54:25.000 Was that from the 70s?

01:54:26.000 Have you guys seen this one?

01:54:27.000 You've seen it, yeah.

01:54:28.000 I have not.

01:54:29.000 Superb. But there's a bunch of good stuff.

01:54:32.000 You'd like the first half of Death Note.

01:54:35.000 Maybe. It's where a kid gets a notebook where he writes anybody's name in it and they die.

01:54:38.000 Oh, I wish I was that kid.

01:54:41.000 No, you don't.

01:54:42.000 My wrist would hurt so much.

01:54:43.000 You're always putting it on.

01:54:45.000 Well, you know what he does.

01:54:46.000 You are not that guy.

01:54:47.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:54:49.000 You should read it.

01:54:50.000 Or watch it, read it, whatever.

01:54:51.000 Okay. He's a high school student, and there are death gods.

01:54:55.000 The death gods have notebooks, they have books, where they write the name of people, and whatever's remaining life on that person gets added to their life total, so they're immortal.

01:55:04.000 There's a death god who gets an extra book through being mischievous, tricks another guy or whatever.

01:55:09.000 Oh no no, what happens is, they're not allowed to use the book to save the life of a human.

01:55:13.000 Okay. And so one other death god is infatuated with a human, and sees her about to get murdered in a mugging, so he kills the mugger, and then disintegrates.

01:55:22.000 Ryuk, the Death God, takes the book and drops it in the high school for fun to see what happens.

01:55:26.000 And the scholar student finds it, and then decides to start murdering every single criminal in all of the jails and anyone accused of crimes. 0.64

01:55:33.000 And they call him Killer, or in Japanese, Kira.

01:55:35.000 So he just watches TV and starts massacring.

01:55:38.000 Do they know who's doing it, or it's just happening?

01:55:39.000 No. Okay, yeah.

01:55:40.000 People just having heart attacks and dying.

01:55:42.000 He intentionally chooses the way of dying to be the same, so that everybody knows there's a pattern happening.

01:55:47.000 Sure. But then it turns into, uh, this is really great, The story kicks off when a broadcast appears on all the TVs saying that the international community has taken notice of the deaths around the world and that they're going to find out who is doing this.

01:56:02.000 And the guy sitting at the desk, his name is displayed.

01:56:04.000 Then all of a sudden the guy giving the announcement has a heart attack and dies.

01:56:08.000 And then the screen changes to just the letter L, the name of the actual detective, and he says, I can't believe it.

01:56:13.000 You actually can kill people just by – remotely.

01:56:16.000 And then he explains, we traced the origin of the first death.

01:56:20.000 It's in this particular prefecture in Japan.

01:56:22.000 We know where you are and we're going to find you. 0.97

01:56:23.000 And so then the high school student is like, oh, crap. 0.99

01:56:26.000 And then it becomes this like game of chess between a detective and this young kid who has the ability to just murder anybody he wants. 0.96

01:56:32.000 So how do you spell your last name?

01:56:34.000 B-O-N. How many T's?

01:56:39.000 Michael. I don't.

01:56:40.000 Ha ha ha ha ha.

01:56:41.000 Anything? Anything?

01:56:45.000 Alright, what do we got here?

01:56:47.000 Uh, let's see.

01:56:48.000 KW said, started late.

01:56:50.000 Malice's view of heroism is greatness.

01:56:52.000 Tim's view of heroism is goodness.

01:56:53.000 Tim's heroism is moral.

01:56:55.000 Malice's is aspirational.

01:56:56.000 Wait a minute.

01:56:57.000 This is the first comment in internet history which is actually smart and thought-provoking and adds to the conversation.

01:57:03.000 Who is this person?

01:57:04.000 What's their name?

01:57:05.000 Um, KW. 0.71

01:57:07.000 Good for you.

01:57:08.000 Kudos to you.

01:57:09.000 Wow. I just spit.

01:57:10.000 It's immediately followed by the real Hydra who said, the Jewish mafia has taken over Timcast. 0.64

01:57:14.000 Only a matter of time before it happened.

01:57:16.000 Perfect. It's happened.

01:57:18.000 It's been happening.

01:57:19.000 What are you talking about?

01:57:20.000 Perfect. Yeah.

01:57:21.000 Who do you think gives us the scripts every day? 0.98

01:57:23.000 It's Murder, Inc.

01:57:24.000 in the 20s.

01:57:27.000 All right.

01:57:27.000 Let's, uh, what do we have here?

01:57:29.000 Michael Haim says, Chicago residents experience a lot of trauma.

01:57:33.000 My favorite leader in trauma psychology is their April in trauma month.

01:57:36.000 Please ask members to share knowledge to have, to have they have about trauma and recovery.

01:57:40.000 Not enough information out there.

01:57:43.000 Chicago's funny.

01:57:45.000 I wouldn't recommend it.

01:57:46.000 I was pleasantly surprised.

01:57:47.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:57:49.000 You know what else I loved about Chicago?

01:57:51.000 People loved Chicago.

01:57:53.000 They were proud of their town.

01:57:54.000 That was really fun to see.

01:57:56.000 There was a hot dog restaurant that when Trump got elected, they released the Trump dog, which was this tiny wiener.

01:58:03.000 Chicago's, you know what's really fascinating is that growing up in this town, we got Jardin Aire for days, and there's a hot dog restaurant in every corner.

01:58:09.000 Yeah. Literally hot dogs.

01:58:10.000 Not burgers, hot dogs.

01:58:12.000 And when I left Chicago for the first time, it was like a culture shock.

01:58:15.000 It's just a Chicago thing.

01:58:17.000 Yeah. I go to New York and I'm like, you can only get a hot dog on the street for a buck from some guy in a cart, but they don't sell it in stores.

01:58:22.000 Dirty water outside.

01:58:23.000 Yeah. Personally, I love hot dogs, and I agree that they should be more common.

01:58:30.000 Do you know what giardiniera is?

01:58:31.000 Is that like the pickled cauliflower and carrot and all that stuff?

01:58:35.000 Yeah. I've never tried it.

01:58:36.000 I've only seen it in jars.

01:58:37.000 It's crazy.

01:58:38.000 And it's only in Chicago.

01:58:39.000 It's not only Chicago.

01:58:40.000 We have it in Brooklyn.

01:58:41.000 But they call them hot peppers.

01:58:42.000 No, they don't.

01:58:43.000 In Brooklyn, we call it giardiniera.

01:58:44.000 It's an Italian thing, I bet.

01:58:45.000 It is?

01:58:46.000 Yeah. Okay, because when I lived in Brooklyn, I couldn't get it anywhere.

01:58:49.000 Because the Italian neighborhoods are gone, except for Bay Ridge. 1.00

01:58:52.000 Ben's Hearst is all Asian now. 1.00

01:58:53.000 I lived in Bay Ridge.

01:58:54.000 I said Bay Ridge is the only one left.

01:58:56.000 You didn't have any jar- You have jar near- No!

01:58:58.000 Yes. I just couldn't find it, I guess.

01:59:00.000 Yeah. But if you go to Potbelly's, they call it Hot Peppers, and they have it in a jar.

01:59:03.000 You can get it.

01:59:04.000 So here, I ordered like 50 jars, and I'm like, I will not go without, but we haven't used it in a while.

01:59:09.000 I'm gonna make one more recommendation to people.

01:59:11.000 You're gonna think I'm crazy.

01:59:13.000 If you haven't tried pickled garlic, you're missing out.

01:59:15.000 It's like my second favorite food.

01:59:16.000 It's actually sweet.

01:59:18.000 It's amazing, and it's like, It's so good.

01:59:21.000 I always just get garlic pizza where they have the full cloves.

01:59:24.000 Oh, yeah, sure.

01:59:25.000 Amazing. Jared May says, Michael Malice is a genius in his own category.

01:59:30.000 I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.

01:59:32.000 I think that was the intent.

01:59:36.000 Bo says, Phil, love the new album.

01:59:37.000 Forever Cold is on repeat.

01:59:39.000 Cheers, man.

01:59:39.000 Thank you very much.

01:59:40.000 Great name.

01:59:41.000 Thank you very much.

01:59:42.000 Indeed. Lurch says, I hate anime equals no class.

01:59:47.000 I'm in a suit.

01:59:49.000 I got a tie-on.

01:59:50.000 That's how you know I got class.

01:59:51.000 Do you like American comics?

01:59:54.000 I'm a comic book character.

01:59:55.000 Harvey Peacock wrote a graphic novel about me.

01:59:57.000 So yes, I'm obsessed with it.

01:59:58.000 What, literally about Michael Malice?

02:00:00.000 Tim, you don't know this?

02:00:01.000 We've been friends for how many years?

02:00:02.000 You don't know his origin story?

02:00:04.000 It's called Ego and Hubris.

02:00:05.000 It's for like 150 bucks.

02:00:06.000 I made you a comic character.

02:00:07.000 That's true.

02:00:09.000 We'll show it.

02:00:10.000 In the after show, yes.

02:00:11.000 Well, it was your idea though.

02:00:12.000 I grew up on American comics.

02:00:14.000 I drew the comic though.

02:00:15.000 Did you?

02:00:15.000 I did.

02:00:16.000 Alright. You know, the first drawing utensil was, you know, a quill, or what was it?

02:00:22.000 Fingers and smudged-in berries.

02:00:23.000 Right. And then someone invented a way to, you know, make ink and draw with it.

02:00:28.000 Then someone made pens, pencils, paints, and they invented all these tools that could make more vibrant images.

02:00:32.000 Sure. Eventually, they developed tablets where you could actually just use your fingers and tools and styluses to draw.

02:00:37.000 And today, you need only describe what you want to draw the picture in Chat GPT.

02:00:42.000 Or describe kind of what you want.

02:00:44.000 And it gets it wrong 800 times.

02:00:45.000 Yeah, it gets the language wrong somehow.

02:00:47.000 Yeah. I don't understand how he gets the words wrong.

02:00:49.000 Actually, the fact that he gets the words right at all is amazing because no other AI can do it right now.

02:00:53.000 But I think it's easier to get the words right than to get the words wrong.

02:00:56.000 What is it sourcing the wrong words from?

02:00:59.000 That's what's confusing to me.

02:01:00.000 So when I tried using Grok to make comics, the words are all random squiggly gibberish.

02:01:04.000 But ChatGPT can make full context paragraphs and everything.

02:01:08.000 Yeah, wild stuff.

02:01:10.000 Alright! What have we here?

02:01:13.000 Amtru says Baltimore, Chicago, New York, Seattle, LA, San Fran, Atlanta, Denver, Portland, all gone. 0.75

02:01:18.000 Corrupt beyond saving.

02:01:20.000 That sounds like some Ra's al Ghul stuff.

02:01:23.000 Ra's al Ghul. 0.89

02:01:24.000 Ra's, there you go.

02:01:25.000 Ra's al Ghul. 0.89

02:01:26.000 I was testing you.

02:01:28.000 I think the question, I think we've discussed this on the show before and something that's, I think, an enjoyable question for people to ask.

02:01:34.000 Are cities an outdated technology?

02:01:37.000 Yes. That's fun to discuss, Tim, not just have a one-word answer.

02:01:42.000 It's something germane, because back in the day, if you want to get good music, all this stuff together, now you've got the internet.

02:01:48.000 I knew a guy named Jermaine once.

02:01:50.000 Is that right?

02:01:51.000 You don't think the proximity that cities bring is something that...

02:01:56.000 That is something.

02:01:57.000 That's an argument for it, yeah.

02:01:58.000 So the argument against remote working is you get When you have time together, you'll bounce ideas off each other more regularly and you'll have creative ideas.

02:02:11.000 Like I think Ben Shapiro talks about the liberal tears mug that they've sold bajillions of.

02:02:17.000 That came because they were standing in the office or something like that and someone said it or whatever.

02:02:23.000 But the point is the proximity mattered.

02:02:25.000 Yes, it does.

02:02:25.000 And when it comes to You can watch us discuss the bet with Roseanne.

02:02:50.000 Indeed. That was a fun one, Michael. You can find me online at Shane Cashman.

02:03:11.000 I host Inverted World Live every Sunday on YouTube and Rumble, and I gotta shout out to Hotepps for having me at the grifties last weekend.

02:03:18.000 It was a blast, and keep an eye out for that video soon.

02:03:21.000 Michael, you're always an absolute delight to be around, and I'm not kidding.

02:03:24.000 I'm not kidding around.

02:03:25.000 Normally, I just go right into my spiel.

02:03:27.000 I really enjoy having your wit and wisdom around.

02:03:32.000 So, I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.

02:03:33.000 I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.

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02:03:43.000 Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 02, 2025

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