In this episode, we take a deep dive into a story that has been on the front pages of the press for a while now. It's a story about a conspiracy by the Department of Justice against Donald Trump, and the cover-up by the FBI.
00:02:44.000For those that are not familiar, this was the operation by the DOJ against Donald Trump.
00:02:48.000What I would effectively call, with air quotes, a coup.
00:02:54.000How do we describe what these operatives did, both from the Republican side and Democrat side together, to hamstring the Trump administration, to take away his ability to be president, to stifle anything he tried to do?
00:03:22.000He was then investigated for years because Democrats could not accept Hillary Clinton lost.
00:03:27.000Well, now we have new information coming out from declassified documents proving that in 2019, the FBI had evidence that one of the operatives involved in the hoax was lying to Congress, the DOJ, and the FBI.
00:03:53.000That one of the individuals involved in bringing together all of this fake news, this fake information, which is used to destroy or to hinder, I should say, Trump's first term.
00:04:02.000How is this person not charged for what appears to be multiple felonies?
00:04:08.000And this now coming from Chuck Grassley's office.
00:04:10.000It was only after Kash Patel got in that he released these documents, and in an interview with Brett Baer on Fox News, he says he found documents he didn't even know existed, and they were in places they thought he'd never look.
00:04:23.000It looks like it's starting, and I hope that's the case, that we're going to see the FBI and the DOJ go after the corruption, not just from Democrats, but this is also Republicans, covering up.
00:04:34.000What these operatives were doing to make sure Donald Trump would not be able to do his job as president.
00:04:40.000Now, some might call that seditious conspiracy.
00:04:43.000Perhaps a bit long-winded, but maybe that's the best way to describe it.
00:04:47.000The challenge we have for you today with this story, especially as we're going through the headlines, is there is so much information to break down.
00:04:54.000Going back almost 10 years to understand how operatives, foreign intelligence assets, individualists.
00:05:03.000Individuals on both parties were colluding to make sure Donald Trump could not have a first term.
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00:07:45.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tony Kennett.
00:09:38.000OK, the person who compiled smears and lies against Donald Trump, which which which basically ramped up the Russia hoax, which was used to stop Donald Trump, even a component is impeachment.
00:09:52.000According to these documents, the wife of former DOJ official gave demonstrably false testimony to Congress about her involvement in drafting and disseminating since debunked dossiers about Trump's purported collusion with Russia in 2016, according to a bombshell trove of internal FBI records released by Senator Grassley.
00:10:12.000Nellie Orr worked with the research firm Fusion GPS when it was hired.
00:10:16.000In the lead to the 2016 election to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign's alleged links to Russian organized crime, but later told the House panel she did not know about the DOJ's panel investigation into the matter.
00:10:27.000Now, I want to jump straight to Chuck Grassley, grassley.senate.gov.
00:10:32.000Newly declassified FBI documents proves Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Orr lied to Congress about contributions to Crossfire Hurricane.
00:10:42.000Quote, by lying to Congress, Nellie Orr showed contempt for congressional oversight in the American people.
00:10:49.000What's more, the FBI and DOJ's failure to hold Orr accountable for appearing to commit multiple felonies and its obstructive conduct against agents that sought additional information reveals the agency's deeply disturbing political bias.
00:11:03.000Orr never suffered consequences for advancing the phony Trump-Russia narrative and attempting to cover up her involvement in the hoax.
00:11:09.000Yet time and again, the American justice system has been weaponized against President Trump and his associates with reckless abandon.
00:11:16.000The DOJ's inaction on Nellie Orr's criminal referral, despite the obviously incriminating evidence provided in the FBI's own analysis, undermines public trust in the rule.
00:11:26.000I applaud Director Patel, Attorney General Bondi, and Deputy Attorney General Blanche for cooperating with my request to declassify this information, which is in the public's interest.
00:11:38.000And chart a new course for transparency and accountability at the FBI and DOJ.
00:11:43.000Here's a challenge for the American people right now.
00:11:45.000We are talking about 10 years ago when this is all kicking off.
00:11:50.000Between 9 and 10 years ago, depending on how reductive you want to get.
00:11:54.000There are many young people we've had on this show who were not politically active nor paying attention when this was going down.
00:12:01.000And they only know Trump for who he is today, not what was done to conspire against him.
00:12:36.000Democrats, Republicans, and members of our own intelligence agencies.
00:12:42.000I mean, establishment figures all around.
00:12:45.000No, it's just really ironic that right now you have an entire class of individuals, those on the media and the Democratic left, who are losing their minds over these individuals being fired in the bureaucratic administration.
00:13:25.000I think the average person, when they hear about the Russia story, there's so many people that have talked about Trump's involvement with Russia.
00:13:34.000They lose sight of the fact that it was actually, the accusation was that Trump was involved with the Russian mafia.
00:13:41.000Not that Trump was actually working for Russia, right, for the government of Russia.
00:14:14.000Yeah, and he had a code name and stuff, which is obviously completely ridiculous.
00:14:18.000But it points to how these stories got blown completely out of proportion that went from literally nothing, you know, fabricated by an oppo research.
00:14:30.000And turned into, he's a Russian agent.
00:14:41.000In the 90s, one of his companies did a deal with some Russian, you know, landowner to make a hotel somewhere.
00:14:48.000It turned out that guy's brother was in the Russian mob.
00:14:50.000Is that like the connection that they're talking about?
00:14:52.000No, this is the Crossfire Hurricane and this stuff, this the steel dossier that was totally fabricated.
00:14:56.000They suggested that like somehow the Russian mafia had gotten some blackmail on Trump with some secret tapes and that there was this kind of.
00:15:33.000Or Bill Barr saw it and was like, let's just pretend that doesn't exist.
00:15:36.000I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Barr was like, I wonder if, if I'm going to be generous, his attitude was, wow, this is really bad, but let's de-escalate things and just put a stop to it now.
00:15:50.000Like, let's not get too hasty kind of a thing?
00:15:55.000You know, these people should go to jail because what they did is very criminal.
00:15:59.000However, that could lead to escalation politically and destabilization.
00:16:32.000And then it starts implicating anybody that's perjured themselves, which is like James Clapper, saying that he didn't— Christopher Wray, especially.
00:16:41.000I mean, we already have Christopher Wray on the record for lying over how and when he met with Joe Biden.
00:16:46.000And take a look at how the Supreme Court handles these epic cases.
00:16:50.000And I mean epic as in, like, grandiose historical moments.
00:19:32.000In a new cover story for New York Magazine, writer Jonathan Chait argues, we have not allowed ourselves to consider the full range of possibilities.
00:19:40.000Chait lays out what could be considered the worst case scenario for Trump-Russia collusion, that Donald Trump has been a Russian intelligence asset since 1987.
00:19:50.000That would mean Donald Trump is a Soviet agent, not a Russian asset.
00:21:26.000Because of Ukraine, because of Crimea.
00:21:28.000This has been in the works for a long time.
00:21:31.000And you know what's fascinating is how predictable a lot of it is.
00:21:34.000Because if you go back to 2010s, 2012 with the Arab Spring, something I harp on about quite a bit is the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.
00:21:43.000And that's because it's not the beginning, but if you go back to this point, obviously everything can be reduced back to some thousand years ago something happened.
00:21:52.000But the Qatar-Turkey pipeline wasn't implemented because Syria blocked us.
00:21:56.000They said they're not going to allow us to build this pipeline.
00:22:01.000Russia says you're not going to be able to do this.
00:22:04.000Then starts working with Syria and Iran to build the same pipeline, tapping a natural gas field to once again to strengthen the Gazprom gas control that they have in Europe.
00:22:17.000Energy company in Ukraine, we're going to try and control the flow of energy through Ukraine as another means to get the prices of energy down in Europe because Russia's charging too much.
00:22:29.000U.S. involvement in Ukraine, Russia and the U.S. or the West are fighting over whether Ukraine's going to join the West or join the trade federation.
00:22:38.000And then, of course, we enter the cusp of war and the U.S. goes, OK, Russia's our enemy now.
00:22:45.000Just a little ironic history point here that I think people really fail to point out.
00:22:50.000You talk about the Arab Spring, you talk about the pipeline.
00:22:52.000This all comes from the United States rebuilding the world after World War II with the Marshall Plan, and the Soviet plan was to create a major energy economy to undermine the United States.
00:23:01.000So in essence, what this has all turned out to be is a scheme of the Soviets to undermine the U.S. by creating an alternate energy sphere that cuts off the United States from deciding what the globe does, because that's what we earned in World War II.
00:23:15.000Now we have this situation where the Soviets do kind of get the last laugh, creating this endless trail of corruption over an energy market and fundamentalist terrorism.
00:24:09.000But they fabricated evidence by altering an email so that Carter Page looked like he was guilty of a crime when he was actually intentionally giving—he was working with the CIA and providing them information.
00:24:19.000This is what they consistently had done to make sure that anytime Trump would turn around, he'd be weighed down and unable to actually implement the foreign policy he wanted to.
00:24:29.000And in the one time they claimed he was presidential.
00:24:32.000I tend to look at the convention when he bombed Syria.
00:26:02.000That's been stashed away in locations that people thought we wouldn't find it because we wouldn't know to look for it there.
00:26:08.000And as promised with my congressional partners, I'm working with Congress on constitutional oversight because that's what the American people deserve.
00:26:16.000And those documentations have been flowing to Congress nonstop on a rolling basis since that interview.
00:26:21.000So we've gotten some information so far.
00:26:24.000That is, in the previous segment we were discussing, that's one of the operatives who had colluded on the Russia hoax, according to an FBI analysis, lied to Congress.
00:26:35.000And this is Chuck Grassley saying, actually, let me actually grab, actually, I don't know if I have it pulled up anymore.
00:26:44.000actually said, newly declassified FBI documents proves Fusion GPS contractor Nellie or lied to Congress about contributions to Crossfire Hurricane.
00:26:52.000In 2019, they did not prosecute this person.
00:26:55.000I believe it's fair to say that the dam has broken.
00:26:57.000I'm hoping that this continues and that Cash is correct.
00:27:02.000Many people have been asking, why aren't Dan Bongino and Cash Patel going after the public corruption?
00:27:09.000Who cares about cocaine in the White House?
00:27:26.000Steve Bannon, I believe it was Bannon who said, mid-summer, we'll see some arrests.
00:27:30.000Well, this is massive, because this is now in the public sphere, and Kash Patel has released documents.
00:27:37.000They've been declassified, and the GOP has released them to the public.
00:27:42.000It now appears the ball has begun rolling.
00:27:45.000I hope it continues, and I hope that snowball gets very big coming down that hill.
00:27:49.000I mean, there's a lot of people that actually should be arrested if you go back and think about how many people had been involved in this, how many people had been involved in other accused crimes.
00:28:01.000There's the pipe bomb on January 6th that they have to investigate.
00:28:06.000There's a lot of things, and we've talked about this a bit, and I really do think that they're trying to make sure that when they do make arrests, they've got as much evidence and everything.
00:28:21.000I think this actually goes back to what Tim was saying a little bit earlier about the goal to move this forward so the American people get justice, but that it doesn't create a kind of chaos by just kind of going in guns a-blazin' with just any piece of evidence so that you end up in some kind of an Al Capone trial scene where he's basically just about to get off because you don't have I want them
00:30:33.000Be it Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, be it Bill Barr, the likelihood that they've come across something simply because it exists in the FBI is slim.
00:30:41.000So, for instance, we've got, I think, 40 people who work at Tim Kass in some capacity, and I'll walk in and there's a car I've never seen before.
00:30:58.000The point I'm making is, the head of the FBI, This means it's possible that when the referral was made, it was intercepted by deep state bureaucrats so that Bill Barr never got it.
00:31:15.000And I'm not trying to absolve Bill Barr of any responsibility.
00:31:18.000Considering the gravity of these analyses and this investigation, nothing else mattered more.
00:31:23.000I believe it's more likely he did know this was going on.
00:31:27.000And just said, we're not going to do this.
00:31:30.000For the 800th time, you are making a brilliant case for why these career bureaucrats, who were not elected, who are nameless, who are never accountable, we held an internal investigation, Chris Ray said.
00:31:42.000Well, I mean, you're right about the bureaucrats, but I mean, it could just as likely be, you know, someone that is...
00:31:50.000That's what was most likely to have happened when it comes to the Dobbs decision, right?
00:31:54.000The Supreme Court case that leaked about abortion.
00:31:58.000It was most likely that it was a clerk.
00:32:00.000There are so many politically motivated people in the bureaucracy, people that truly believe that Donald Trump is going to ruin the world when honestly what they're probably trying to do is protect their own jobs or protect their future jobs.
00:32:16.000The idea that it had to be some kind of well-connected bureaucrat, I think that it could have been almost any kind of operative in the government.
00:32:27.000What would it look like, the referral itself?
00:32:29.000How would that happen, point by point?
00:32:33.000So, according to Grassley's documents here, and Tim, if you could scroll down just a smidge in there, I want to make sure I get this right here.
00:32:40.000So, Nellie Orr does all of this stuff.
00:32:42.000All right, so let's pick a low-level crime here.
00:32:44.000She violates, apparently, tells Congress that she didn't use a ham radio incorrectly.
00:32:49.000The FCC is super serious about ham radio stuff.
00:32:53.000If the FBI suspects, hey, you were lying about this, we have evidence, enough evidence, of which with Fusion GPS there was all of the evidence that this was false and garbage and there was actual collusion between bureaucratic offices and congressmen going on against the present administration, then you would make a referral.
00:33:09.000This referral would be made to the FBI.
00:33:11.000It can be made to another part, the deputy assistant.
00:33:22.000There are a couple of different places the referrals can go.
00:33:25.000I think right now what Cash Patel is alluding to in an interview with Brett Baer, they found the referral in a place there shouldn't have been referrals.
00:34:15.000That's the only other response I had for that.
00:34:17.000So in all seriousness, they likely were putting these referrals in places that they thought people wouldn't find.
00:34:22.000But if they did, they'd say – It's just in that place that's obscure.
00:34:27.000And this is why Comey's statement today, he starts to hyperventilate a little bit at the end of this segment with Wolf Blitzer.
00:34:34.000They're talking about the GOP administration, again, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, opening up some of these investigations, the January 6th pipe bomb, the cocaine, on and on.
00:34:45.000And he makes a very weird statement about whether or not the FBI ever closes investigations, specifically about January 6th.
00:34:56.000We have this story from the Daily Mail.
00:35:00.000Ex-FBI chief James Comey unnerved as Trump reopens investigation into cocaine at the White House.
00:35:06.000Now, the first thing I want to say is, bravo, Daily Mail.
00:35:09.000There should be an award for hilariously misleading headlines because the way they've phrased the title, it's as if to imply that it's Comey's cocaine.
00:35:20.000Unnerved as Trump reopens investigation into cocaine.
00:35:23.000He's like sniffing through the whole interview.
00:36:28.000I want to get your also reaction to an exchange the new FBI Director Cash Patel had with Democratic Senator Patty Murray during a recent congressional hearing.
00:36:48.000I really don't care about a budget request, though.
00:36:50.000In the tweet from Nick's order, he says, James Comey slams Dan Bongino and Cash Patel for reopening and increasing investigations into the Biden White House.
00:36:57.000Cocaine, J6 pipe bomber, and Supreme Court Dobbs leak.
00:37:01.000Comey is in total self-preservation mode.
00:37:35.000Well, they show up very organized, often – It appears like the law enforcement is disregarding their presence and allowing them to do things they wouldn't let any other group do.
00:37:44.000The question here is, is James Comey actually unnerved by the reopening of these investigations?
00:37:51.000It seemed rather weak, to be completely honest.
00:37:53.000But were there FBI agents, maybe Comey or someone else, involved in a lot of these scenarios?
00:38:19.000There's a bowling alley in the White House.
00:38:22.000The pipe bomber is interesting because this one reeks of some kind of operation of some sort.
00:38:29.000The cocaine one I'll tap on there, he said a Secret Service was supposed to take care of that.
00:38:33.000Well, if they didn't, then does the FBI go, hey, how come the Secret Service isn't doing their job?
00:38:38.000Maybe that's why the FBI is involved with that.
00:38:40.000Now, the pipe bomb thing, since day one, what the hell?
00:38:43.000Because that thing escalated the danger of the day and made it look like justified to go after people that were just standing around as if they had something to do with this pipe bomb, and then they just, the trail had gone cold.
00:38:53.000And it was the pretext to evacuate members of Congress before.
00:39:00.000On January 6th, Capitol Police, I believe it was Capitol Police, went door to door in congressional offices to evacuate members of Congress hours before anyone breached the Capitol building.
00:39:12.000How fortunate for these members of Congress that there was a pretext that got them out of the building.
00:39:18.000Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez used that pretext to create a fake story.
00:39:22.000She claimed that the cops went to her room and banged on the door.
00:39:26.000She went and hid in the bathroom, and she heard someone come in and go, where is she?
00:39:39.000Is this the same person who hit Jussie Smollett with a Subway sandwich?
00:39:42.000It was a cop evacuating her because of the pipe bombs.
00:39:46.000However, the story makes no sense because this happened, I believe, a full hour before anyone breached the Capitol building.
00:39:52.000So, when this story broke, I actually ended up arguing with Ben Shapiro about it.
00:39:57.000Because everyone was saying, no, no, they were evacuating, the timeline adds up, and then I pulled her Instagram video and lined it up and said, this story she was telling about getting lunch happened, here's the time frame she gives, here's the video from in front of the Capitol of the first breach of the building.
00:40:13.000She had no way of knowing they were going to breach the building unless she had foreknowledge that the building was going to be breached.
00:40:22.000For those that believe January 6th was coordinated intentionally, it is extremely convenient for anyone who's trying to – who knows that there's going to be a riot inside the Capitol, that they had a pretext to evacuate Congress before that happened.
00:40:37.000Yeah, and even if it was like Capitol Police getting ready to like prepare the building for the assault so they're in there getting all the Congress people out, that could have been – A full hour before – They evacuated members of Congress.
00:40:54.000I've heard that there's FBI on the scene there.
00:41:00.000When they're doing this J6 pipe bomber thing, are we going to get documents related to the informants that we know were on the ground?
00:41:08.000So this is where things get really, really interesting, and I think this even ties back into why Comey and Ray and so many others are starting to get a little sweaty on camera.
00:41:19.000Whenever you start to look in these forlorn places where documents are just left to rot, they're not really closed, they're just left open, maybe you look around in some field offices, you start to find references to things that really shouldn't be there.
00:41:32.000you do start to see whether or not individuals were listed as an FBI informant on some other earlier operation as opposed to just January 6th.
00:41:41.000And all of a sudden, those testimonies before Congress look a little bit sketchy.
00:41:45.000The worst part of all of this is that the January 6th committee that was a complete sham and set up so that no one who disagreed with the president, That committee then tried to destroy evidence that was delivered to that committee.
00:42:02.000It tried to obfuscate, to hide any kind of testimony leaking out to the public.
00:42:07.000This is something that I want answers for, because before you try to walk out here and say that everything is above board, there's a lot of people getting real jumpy about people opening up old files all of the sudden.
00:42:40.000Well, at the end of this particular investigation from the J6th committee, the Trump administration was essentially getting ready to come back in.
00:42:49.000They dragged this committee on forever.
00:42:50.000The House was retaken by Republicans in midterm.
00:43:00.000And then once they actually got the documents back, they found that the bin was like one-third of the way full, when in fact, we know of all of these things that occurred regarding the January 6th committee.
00:43:10.000Testimonies, documentation, perhaps security camera footage.
00:43:13.000Why on God's green earth is there a part of Washington, D.C., that close to the Capitol, that's not on camera?
00:43:19.000A lot of unanswered questions that are kind of a little weird here.
00:43:23.000What, Meghan McCain was satisfied with a post-it note that said, I did it, signed J6 people?
00:43:47.000Yeah, outside of Hillary Clinton's office.
00:43:49.000It's just like, you know, if you're walking around, around Congress or around the DOJ building or around the FBI building, I can't imagine that there aren't cameras.
00:43:58.000There's more cameras in D.C. than an inner-city target.
00:44:02.000Anywhere that Hillary Clinton looks is the only place with no care.
00:44:04.000I couldn't get the joke in when it was timely, but it would have been funny to think she's like a Terminator shutting down security footage.
00:44:10.000Everywhere she walks, the camera's shut down within a 15-foot radius.
00:44:13.000I'm just chilling outside of surveillance.
00:44:17.000Well, okay, so it's the lack of evidence that indicates that they destroy the evidence.
00:45:27.000And don't get me wrong, I also want the Epstein files released post-haste immediately.
00:45:31.000There's a lot of other things that I expect this FBI to do.
00:45:34.000But right now, if this is what he is focused on, if this is what he, Bongino, Pam Bondi, have their sights set on, I am saying, yeah, I want you to search every corner, high and low, all the nooks and crannies, until you find out anything that is of interest to Americans.
00:45:58.000However, weeding out the corrupt individuals who engaged in a seditious conspiracy to stop Donald Trump, I think is actually step one.
00:46:07.000If they do not deal with this corruption, they'll just lose in 2026 and 2028 and then you'll learn nothing about any of the corruption outside of whatever.
00:46:15.000So I understand why everybody wants the Epstein stuff.
00:46:51.000This is just a simple tweet from Deputy Director of the FBI Dan Bongino.
00:46:56.000Quote, As we read and process reports of a new COVID strain emerging, I want you to know that we are actively investigating in multiple field offices the cover-up of the origin of the COVID virus, along with associated matters requiring our attention.
00:47:10.000I am just going to, because I want to, because I want to believe, I'm just going to mentally insert in the middle of this statement an implied Fauci is going to get arrested for his perjury when he lied to Congress.
00:47:24.000And that was a Newsweek story that he did.
00:47:28.000If Dan Bongino legitimately says we are, he said, we are actively investigating.
00:47:33.000And if that is the case, one of the first things you got to do is take a look at the lab leak, which we...
00:48:34.000But I mean, it is a terrible development that or a terrible condition that the media literally runs interference for people like Fauci that are responsible for, you know.
00:48:54.000I don't mean it to sound patronizing or condescending here.
00:48:57.000Now we see very clearly why the media is losing their minds and trying to shift the mental health question of Biden over to Trump, as Thompson and Tapper have done in the last couple of days.
00:49:09.000They don't want to talk about the idea of whether Biden's auto pen use was legitimate, because once you open a lot of these individuals up for prosecution that they auto penned their way out of and magical last minute totally covers anything pardons.
00:49:22.000Now you can start to bring a situation where perhaps Fauci makes a deal so that five or six members of Congress can't.
00:49:33.000Because as we know from the Democrats, as Schumer learned from good old David Hogg, when you raise a generation to backstab just like you did, don't be surprised when you've got a blade between the shoulders.
00:49:43.000All that needs to happen is for the FBI to go to Fauci and say, listen, Fauci, you are going to be prosecuted for perjury and you'll spend what life you have left behind bars or – And then Fauci says, listen, listen, I'll give you what I can.
00:50:06.000And then you end up with evidence against maybe, as you mentioned, some members of Congress who are complicit in covering things up.
00:50:13.000It would should be a shame if someone looked into my mansion houses, my socialism, and the young Latina woman I'm running around the country with and Anthony Fauci.
00:51:20.000Okay, I'm going to go buy a private jet.
00:51:21.000Same with Karen Bass, who instead of just doing a Zoom call to Ghana, took a little flight over to Ghana and now has only given out 10 building permits.
00:51:29.000And again, when you start sniffing around, everyone loses their marbles because the gravy train is over.
00:51:35.000So let's, going back to the previous story, it is time that Republicans exercise power and You know, man, I've said for a long time that I'd never want to be involved in politics, but I'm starting to get the itch, maybe in 20 or 30 years.
00:51:55.000But what I'm frustrated about is, where's the reckless abandon from Republicans?
00:52:03.000Democrats figuratively fling themselves off buildings to exert power.
00:53:00.000What I was going to say, and then he helped me out here with a beautiful assist, there's a process to all of this because if you don't deal with the federal injunctions first, that'll screw you over.
00:53:09.000And then if you don't have the budget to take care of it, that'll screw you over.
00:53:12.000And then because, you know, something will be funded through 29 or 2032 and you can't touch it because Congress allocated money for it.
00:54:48.000I mean, that's the typical behavior on the left now.
00:54:52.000And so I imagine that should there be attempts to indict people, there will be all kinds of effort to hinder any justice being done.
00:55:08.000I think you also, in order to exercise power effectively, you need the populace to understand what you're doing and to believe in you, or at least give you the authority to do it, to acquiesce.
00:55:32.000So I want to give I got to give a shout out to Asmund Gold, who was talking about my interview with Adam Conover when he pointed out that we the bubble we are in here is the big bubble.
00:55:41.000When Conover told me that he didn't know that Trump condemned white nationalists, he said, I'm not in your bubble.
00:55:47.000And then he pulled up the article where it had the full paragraph.
00:55:53.000And he goes, You're in the small bubble.
00:56:05.000You're saying you're in a small bubble, isolated from the news.
00:56:07.000I think it is fair to say, for this company, I don't think, I think we're in a bubble, but that bubble is the American national news landscape.
00:56:19.000Obviously, there's bubbles of influence in every capacity because I don't know what's going on in China right now.
00:56:24.000So the news that we do have access to is American national news.
00:56:28.000But people like to say things, you know, like when he's like, I'm not in your bubble.
00:56:32.000Bro, we're not in an isolated political bubble here.
00:56:47.000But when it comes to politics, you can really see when they ham it up.
00:56:52.000When Politico is reporting on kind of beat stuff around the country, I give a lot of praise to Adam Wren from Indiana Politico.
00:56:57.000He genuinely tries to appear to set aside a lot of his personal biases to report news.
00:57:02.000And then you have the guy who says, I can't remember the guy's name, but the Politico article from this week, here's what the Democrats' shadow cabinet should be.
00:58:46.000And the reason I bring this up is, and with all due respect to Bill...
00:58:57.000And I appreciate the, like, he doesn't freak out like his other libs, but his response is, you've been watching too much Fox News.
00:59:05.000He can't see that he's in a liberal hive bubble that he can't see out of.
00:59:11.000And so if I present him with counterinformation, I think the issue was when I brought up that Ukraine, he said, You know, Trump went on TV and told Russia to help him out.
00:59:20.000I laughed because Trump said, you know, if Russia, if you do, got something.
00:59:23.000And then I said, and then he was like, and Paul Manafort ends up getting, you know, convicted or whatever.
00:59:27.000And I said, yeah, you know where those documents came from, right?
00:59:41.000And the fear of not looking in one of the...
00:59:44.000You're probably within a thousand different bubbles at once, and maybe we share a couple hundred bubbles, and then the other bubbles we're not part of.
00:59:50.000If someone tells you, don't look at that piece of that news company, you're probably going to want to look at it.
00:59:55.000There are things in the world that you shouldn't look at, like CP.
00:59:59.000you know, there's like vile things that you shouldn't get involved in that bubble.
01:00:03.000But when it comes to news, I think that there's no news so dangerous that it will radicalize I'm going to give a shout-out to Ashton Forbes.
01:00:50.000I don't know that I believe it, but I'm open to the possibility, as I stated in my interview with him today, if we assume anything that we've never seen before is a hoax, we will never discover anything again.
01:01:01.000We need to be open to the possibility that we will eventually witness a technology we've not yet witnessed before.
01:01:43.000Lockheed Martin not getting commercial royalties.
01:01:45.000I gotta be honest, with this whole conversation regarding the bubbles, which, by the way, your description of the bubbles I thought was an incredible OxyClean commercial.
01:01:52.000We all are around thousands of bubbles.
01:02:48.000It was worse than what you first portrayed.
01:02:52.000Appearing into the unipolar mindset of the media, this news media, that it's because there was a Republican and Democrat newspaper, but it's like they're being paid by the same liberal economic order to spurge the same propaganda.
01:03:06.000Not necessarily the same propaganda, but maybe it was, but I think now, and people like Nika have been brainwashing people to, don't look outside at the other possible Al Jazeera.
01:04:06.000He's doing exactly what he said he's going to do.
01:04:10.000Well, and I think that the dangerous edges here are that he's trying to undermine the media, trying to make up his own facts.
01:04:19.000And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control.
01:05:37.000We accidentally brush against something interesting, is this idea of the exceptionalism behind titles and the job and the degree that you have, that simply because you speak in a monotone voice and you have that new...
01:06:27.000That's why, you know, it's exaggerated a bit, but you'll be watching the news and be like, I'm standing here outside of the old Winchester factory.
01:06:53.000And he was like, what gives you the right to go and do these stories?
01:06:57.000And he's like – I can't remember who said it, but they said basically Vice was – Before them, all news was, I'm sitting here in Timcast IRL Studios.
01:07:14.000And then Vice came along and they were like, so we're walking through a jungle and like some guy came up and he had like a club or something?
01:07:35.000It was like, so let me tell you about this.
01:07:37.000So last week we had, and then you had, I mean, John Mulaney's even made fun of this with the New York Post, like getting a story like, there's a perv in Queens.
01:07:44.000Just that kind of shorthand news style.
01:07:45.000People don't need all of the soft-handed notices of your journalism degree to get the news.
01:07:53.000Why that's not getting them more USA Today subscriptions.
01:07:56.000Oh, I wonder if it's a gut reaction that makes people trust it, like a sense of authority because they're used to it, that noise, that tone.
01:08:05.000But there's just a huge swath of humanity now that doesn't see it as value.
01:08:09.000Oh, like when I take off my glasses, I get accused of being the vice president?
01:08:23.000So, because I, now when I see that people talking like that, that news voice, I am turned off by it.
01:08:29.000Especially when you play them all in sync together like during the COVID pandemic and they're all saying the exact same things about misinformation.
01:08:35.000And because the same journalistic way they speak is also combined in that large news press briefing that was given to them, you can play all of those videos at the same time and they all sound in sync with each other.
01:10:21.000Overall, MSNBC dropped 41% in the primetime demo and 34% in total day demo compared to May of 24. In total viewers, the network was down 33% across the day and 24 in primetime.
01:10:35.000MSNBC's total day demo viewership sank to 49,000.
01:12:26.000I've had that in my spare show notes, like down in like segment five, which there is no segment five, for ages and just happened to have it ready to bring up.
01:14:50.000Most people get their information from their phone, and whether it be news or entertainment, it has to be delivered in the way that the viewer is looking for it.
01:15:00.000And that's why there are still a lot of viewers that watch CNN, but they're all very old.
01:15:05.000They're boomers, maybe some Gen Xers, but anyone that's under 50. Well, their first step, which was to acquire a bunch of online publications, which, again, the conservative media has been doing just the online-only publication kind of non-profit model for 10, 15 years now.
01:15:26.000Again, I'm as a guy from the Daily Signal.
01:16:00.000It's a PDF uploaded of the annual Gannett report.
01:16:05.000So the funny thing here with all of these outlets, again, whether it's the Daily Beast, you know, you throw up the...
01:16:21.000It's just who can say the bad thing about Republicans, about the right, about Christians, if you're in Seattle, who can say the meanest thing about them in a way that drives the most clicks and appeals to the most suburban wine moms?
01:18:20.000It then says, apologies, as of December 31st, 2024, they reported approximately 2 million digital, the same exact script over, I said, stop being so obtuse, I'm talking about just USA Today, same thing.
01:18:33.000I said, stop, I said, you're effing wrong, stop repeating yourself, repeats itself the exact same thing.
01:18:38.000Then, I dropped the link to the report you gave me, and it says this, as of December 31st, 2024, That's not even the source that I gave you.
01:19:23.000Your show, rightly so, is getting bigger.
01:19:25.000The presence of markets that people want to participate in, they want to tune into, because we talk to them like real people, I'm never going to be anything more than just like a regular.
01:19:35.000You guys never claim to be anything more than y 'all are either.
01:19:56.000Yeah, those are still given the prime placement.
01:19:59.000For example, if they showed up to the White House press room under the Biden administration.
01:20:03.000But if we who have a way larger market, I'm kicking the indie star in the WIBC, the Indianapolis market, by like a factor of two, three, or four.
01:20:12.000I'm beating the local affiliate TV stations, like by Nextdoor, Fox 59, or those, everyone has the numbered stations.
01:20:18.000Why are they given that kind of precedent?
01:20:20.000It's because of the narrative they drive, not the audience they reach.
01:22:13.000What happens is you can only make four or five per day, and then it'll say limit reached, or it says cannot process too many requests in a short amount of time.
01:22:23.000So then I type in, how many videos can I make per day?
01:22:27.000And then the response it gives me is, you can make any amount of videos you want per day.
01:22:30.000A great service like YouTube exists where you can post videos.
01:23:29.000And then, Phil, you pointed out it's the charisma of the speaker.
01:23:31.000And my mind just goes to, well, then they're going to make AI girls like her giving you the news.
01:23:36.000And if the computer ends up being more charismatic than the human...
01:23:41.000And then it's going to give you this twisted information like ChatGPT where it just lies to you.
01:23:46.000I'll lighten it up a little bit here because I've been trying to sit over here and think about how to say this in the most respectful way and I'm very much drawing a blank.
01:23:54.000A producer at a colleague company who shall remain nameless but is one of the dailies has communicated that the best research AI is one of the girlfriend chatbots.
01:24:11.000That if you go to one of the free kind of girlfriend chat bot character chat websites, you know, the kind that are like, you know, phone sex for the modern age.
01:24:21.000They do better research because they have to be good enough to...
01:24:24.000One of my favorite AI moments was someone went to a car dealer website and then clicked their helpline and the help was you, the company had contracted JetGPT for their customer service.
01:25:53.000But what I was talking to Ash and Forbes about is if we always assume everything is a hoax, we'll never discover anything.
01:25:58.000Because if a sphere is flying through the sky, and it is alien, and we go, it's a hoax, I don't care, and you walk away, and you don't even pursue that.
01:26:05.000How will you ever actually investigate and discover when it's not?
01:26:08.000For me, the argument of a hoax is less about the fact that there's a sphere flying through the air.
01:26:46.000No, but you can look at kind of pattern recognition based on like a long-form process of human behavior and see things that are fascinating to the human eye that are likely only because of like, for example, how the moon and the sun interact.
01:26:59.000based on our orbit with things like eclipses and things like that, that might suggest that humans are fascinated with circles around circles.
01:27:09.000I'm just saying, when I look at this, I'm seeing, you know, human decides what looks really alien.
01:27:15.000Oh, a bunch of shapes like moons and triangles with like circular weird scripty text.
01:27:21.000Apparently it's names beginning with Z's and V's.
01:30:19.000Maybe they want to sell the orb, so they made a giant metal husk, staged a fake drone flying around, and they're going to sell the metal husk, and you can't do anything about it.
01:30:26.000And they'll just say, it's alien tech, you can't prove it.
01:30:27.000Great, another Hunter Biden art project gone awry.
01:30:30.000Sell it for half a million dollars or something.
01:30:32.000But they would not just break it open.
01:30:34.000They would do that probably eventually, but they want to keep it intact as it operates now to learn as much about it as it is intact as possible.
01:30:45.000Use like radar tomography, what they're doing with the pyramids, so you can like Doppler tomographies, you can measure the insides by measuring seismic vibration and then translating it into, I think, what is it, phonons?
01:32:24.000Scientist delivers ominous message to humanity after a UFO covered in strange writing is found.
01:32:30.000He says, one of the mistakes we make is saying, because I think I understand this, everything I think today is true, and ends up making us very confused and something shows up that doesn't fit our model of the world.
01:32:42.000The sphere itself seems like some kind of art project, the UFO researcher said, adding that she believes it was created by humans, not aliens.
01:32:48.000Wait, is that the doctor they're talking about, Mossbridge?
01:32:52.000I'm taking points off for what on God's green earth that jacket is.
01:33:16.000I was confused because you were insulting her jacket saying you didn't believe her, but that she was saying it was by humans, so it implied you thought this was an alien craft.
01:33:22.000She's got kind of a Gary Oldman from Fifth Element vibe going on.
01:34:20.000Because the U.S. would have gone in with armed dudes and seized it in two seconds.
01:34:25.000Please, when you make a clip of this for Instagram later, as you say that, I expect Fortunate Son to start lifting in, as you say the U.S. would fly in.
01:34:33.000And then we just show that video of the cops breaking through the ceiling and kicking the door in.
01:34:51.000Well, no, I think the aliens, if aliens did come or anyone was doing research, they'd probably have these all over the place in every country.
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01:36:37.000It reads, chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed.
01:36:46.000If you believe that the right to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed, this is a skateboard for you.
01:37:59.000We sold out of most of these over and over and over again, so we restocked them.
01:38:02.000But we're going to start phasing out the graphics soon because they've been up for about four or five months, and then we've got new ones coming in.
01:38:18.000Shinich Wilder says, Secret Service women getting into a catfight just shows that while we may love them to death, they don't need to be in these roles.
01:41:50.000I always wondered why in Black Panther, Wakanda speaks English.
01:41:54.000The point of the movie was that colonists went to other countries and they were safe and protected, but they all still were forced to adopt English as their common language.
01:44:41.000and they were known for being Trump reply guys, but they're the kind of guys like you'll have an intense debate and then go out to dinner afterwards and talk about it.
01:44:49.000Yeah, they know how to make money and how to generate activity.
01:44:52.000You know, this is why people were asking me with the Bill Maher thing why I wasn't going off like I did with Adam Conover.
01:44:57.000And I'm like, because Bill was nice to me?
01:44:58.000Adam Conover was being snooty and got agitated with me and then started acting like I was doing something wrong.
01:45:04.000And then for 40 minutes, Adam Conover asked me the same question over and over.
01:45:08.000I kept saying, okay, dude, you've asked me the question about Ramesa Ozturk.
01:45:46.000Because you go into the room and you sit down, and Bill walks in right away, and he just starts asking questions about yourself because he never met you before.
01:45:53.000It is not a welcome to the political debate.
01:46:03.000And so it's not that kind of environment where it's so easy to just be like, hold on, I'm now going to change the subject, stop our conversation, and bring up a point I want to bring up.
01:46:12.000You're just having a conversation with a guy you just met.
01:46:14.000So as much as professionally I've criticized Bill, it was funny.
01:46:45.000Even though, you know, people can say what they want about Bill, he doesn't really consider himself woke.
01:46:49.000He definitely goes after the, you know, more crazy aspects of the left and he calls him out for doing damage to the Democrat Party and brand.
01:46:59.000That was another big, big component about it is that he was bragging on wokeness quite a bit.
01:47:07.000I feel like, you know, the first thing I told him was that I used to watch Bill Maher all the time.
01:47:12.000Me, my boy Brandon, hanging out at Roger's house every Friday.
01:47:17.000They're smoking pot and blowing it in their iguana's face watching Real Time with Bill Maher.
01:47:21.000And I feel like if Bill was getting his news direct from the source, he'd be in complete agreement with us.
01:47:26.000The only thing is he believes all of this cable TV news stuff about Trump.
01:47:30.000When it comes to the woke stuff, he completely agrees.
01:47:33.000And I even pointed out the reason why I don't believe that woke means critical race theory or critical theory.
01:47:41.000Two big reasons, military-industrial complex and Islam.
01:47:44.000It makes literally no sense to claim that Islam is an oppressed group of people when it's the second largest religion in the world and one of the most militaristic and dominant in a large portion of the planet.
01:47:54.000To then claim they're oppressed makes no sense.
01:47:57.000Then you have the military-industrial complex where they say it's bad but support the wars.
01:48:01.000So that wokeness just is the cult of the left.
01:48:04.000But he largely agreed when I pointed out.
01:50:08.000I mean, we've entered a point where, again, the classic criticism of kind of the Gen Z group, and I don't mean this as a criticism, this is actually a praise in a lot of ways as well, but the only thing that is sacred is nothing is sacred, and you're starting to reach a point where as the Gen Z becomes more polarized, you're starting to see groups of people just get out there and basically do anything to feel.
01:50:29.000It's a very weird time because once everything's done, You can just get out there and do whatever.
01:52:35.000I think they're doing a lot of that curation.
01:52:37.000I think Dan and Cash are taking a lot of the Crossfire Hurricane stuff and things that they think is corrupt and giving it, but they're not giving everything because they're still trying to maintain the integrity.
01:54:04.000The problem with that is just that as you start to increase some things, you increase others, namely gravity.
01:54:09.000And you start to create some really high temperature to a point that you just can't contain it, and then high gravity so that things start getting real screwy real quick.
01:54:17.000So, again, I think that nuclear fuel is, in fact, a great way to go.
01:54:21.000But if we ever start brushing up against fission, I think that has to be something constructed in space.
01:55:06.000But in the early days, a steam engine, you'd boil a vat of water, creating pressure, which would push out of a controlled space, creating the piston to rotate the wheels.
01:55:17.000Then we figured out how to create rotating magnets to generate electrical currents, and so we used steam pressure to spin things.
01:55:25.000The question for fusion is, we've reached ignition.
01:55:56.000It looks like the sun, like the fire coming off the sun.
01:55:58.000So I imagine the sun is like this saltwater fluidic ball that's getting hit by a frequency and it's lighting up.
01:56:04.000So if we take saltwater out into orbit, let it coagulate into a sphere like water does in deep space, and then hit it with a frequency and light it up, we might be able to fuse chemicals in that.
01:56:24.000Hold My Beer says, have you seen that the Texas governor swore the death penalty on two illegal immigrants who killed an Air Force cadet in a hit-and-run with a jet ski?
01:56:34.000I saw the story of this young lady that was killed.
01:57:15.000Yeah, that's a bad statement, because I would argue that your worst case scenario is they arrest low-level staffers as scapegoats.
01:57:21.000My outtake on this one is that the left, which always moves way too far and way too fast, has in fact played with fire that is finally going to get it burnt.
01:57:29.000And that fire is, they have successfully pissed off the moderates.
01:57:32.000Now, before you get out your full wine bottles to throw at me, here's a very small example.
01:57:37.000You have all these low-level judges, we'll talk about a judicial example here, who have come forward and thrown injunction after injunction after injunction.
01:57:44.000Of all of the Supreme Court justices who are already fed up with this, believe it or not, it's Roberts.
01:57:49.000Roberts, the squish of squishes, is tired of injunction after injunction, and it's balkanizing the moderates against the left, which is a wild thing to watch in real time.
01:57:59.000So I do think the left is going to push and push and push until arrests get made because they can't help themselves.
01:58:04.000They can't just let this naturally die out.
01:58:06.000For the first time, I've been using dating apps, and I saw someone on dating apps like, I don't want any MAGA people.
01:59:14.000But Ben's not going to do that, and it's largely due to, I would argue, like, the scale of personality.
01:59:22.000Ben Shapiro, being one of the biggest conservative personalities, one of the most viewed podcasts, is going to be like, I'd rather just debate a higher-profile individual.
01:59:31.000Yeah, there's people further up the chain that have this debate.
01:59:34.000Scott's like the most knowledgeable man on the planet.
01:59:39.000And people make this criticism of Ben before.
01:59:41.000There's a difference between sounding like the most knowledgeable person and actually bringing things that aren't disproven 14 hours later.
01:59:49.000Anybody that starts throwing things out that it's like, oh yeah, we found out actually we're backtracking 800 feet because we were wrong in this initial report.
02:00:19.000The Ukrainians and NATO tried to assassinate Putin, blow up his helicopter with a bunch of drones, and then Trump blames Putin for being crazy?
02:00:29.000Does he not know that NATO just made an assassin attempt?
02:00:33.000This is what Alex Jones was talking about, too.
02:00:35.000I don't know if Trump knows because now's not the time to go.
02:00:39.000Well, I mean, look, you're not going to get Like, if the United States walks away from the negotiations, we're not going to give money and more weapons to Ukraine.
02:00:50.000And that means that Putin gets to do whatever he wants.
02:00:53.000So as long as Putin doesn't want to come to the table, there's nothing we can do about it.
02:00:59.000Like, the United States is in a real bind if Trump can't get Putin to the table.
02:01:03.000And there's no reason for Putin to go to the table because he's winning.
02:01:08.000And all they want is they want the U.S. to stop supporting Ukraine.
02:01:10.000I've been watching Hitler take Poland.
02:01:12.000Not watching, but studying it last night, just watching about the Third Reich.
02:01:15.000And, like, if Putin wants the Donbass, that's one thing.
02:01:18.000If he keeps going, he's going to literally start a global war.
02:01:26.000That's my thing with the Iran comment as well.
02:01:28.000We're going to be at war with Iran, and I'm like, okay, what is Iran going to do?
02:01:31.000The same thing they just did with Israel?
02:01:33.000What, are they going to launch more ballistic missiles?
02:01:35.000I'm looking for the Iranian army being mustered.
02:01:39.000Just because, even if the United States decided to endorse an Israeli strike and support an Israeli strike against Iran, that does not mean that that's going to turn into a boots-on-the-ground situation.
02:02:13.000I think that the president is aware, and J.D. Vance is definitely aware, the American people do not want to see another military engagement where there's Americans dying in a Middle Eastern country.
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02:03:23.000Hey, any time that I get to make Brian Stelter cry on national television is a treat and a blessing.
02:04:51.000So Rubio is going to kick out all the Chinese people.
02:04:54.000He says, if you're China, you got to go.
02:04:57.000And it's a crazy story because Elad Eliyahu, our White House correspondent, actually asked Carolyn Levitt if this was the plan for the United States to revoke the visas of Chinese nationals who are going to school.
02:05:20.000I think that, I mean, in my opinion, it's good just because it kind of undoes a little bit of the argument that people were making about, oh, this is only about Israel, this is only about Israel.
02:05:32.000And I think that, like, I endorsed or I supported the deportation of people that were, you know, anti-American, that were also being critical of Israel.
02:05:42.000I supported the deporting those, or not deporting, but pulling the visas of those people because they're anti-American.
02:05:49.000And if we can get rid of Chinese people that are likely engaged in espionage or whatever, that's right in the same ballpark.
02:08:24.000And one of the things that Trump says in it is peace through strength, which he wants to see the United States military be so overpowered that no one on Earth would consider actually engaging in combat with us.
02:08:40.000Gemini says I can't make videos until 1036.
02:08:52.000I wonder how creative the Trump administration wants to get with, like, you're talking fusion we were talking about earlier, the advancements in solar tech, piezoelectricity.
02:09:06.000We don't have time for experimental because China is blowing our doors off when it comes to not just electricity generation now, but infrastructure for.
02:10:09.000We don't have to do things that are exotic to produce the energy.
02:10:13.000We just have to build nuclear reactors.
02:10:15.000I understand that there's all kinds of people that are like, oh, there is new technology and we can blah, blah, blah.
02:10:21.000That's all great and fine, but that's all going to take time to be refined to the point where it's really functional.
02:10:29.000The modern nuclear reactors, not experimental, but modern nuclear reactors, we could build them and they would generate enough power and it's clean.
02:11:04.000You hear Freeberg, you hear Chamath, and Sax is talking about it all the time as well.
02:11:09.000The important thing that the administration really needs to do, like the top, one of the top most important things they need to do is they need to...
02:11:29.000And the whole, like, if you lose the AI race, you lose everything?
02:11:40.000If you, if your rivals or your international, uh, And if somebody gets to the sophisticated AI first and they do it wrong, the game's over for every human.
02:11:56.000That's a big problem with AI, too, is if it takes over.
02:12:00.000All right, well, how do we help the Trump administration do that?
02:12:04.000I know there are people that are working on it, people that talk, that are aware of it.
02:12:09.000People, like I said, the guys in the All In podcast, they all have the ability to get messages to Trump because David Sachs is the AI guru for Trump, and he also does crypto stuff.
02:12:21.000I'm confident that the administration is aware of this, but I don't know if the Department of Energy has been directed to begin to solve this.
02:12:44.000Yeah, I was thinking of the EPA because they would probably need to clear any kind of new buildings.
02:12:51.000have this right is the department of energy i wonder if he'd be a Lisa, if you're watching, we should get Chris Wright on the show because we could go deep on power.
02:13:00.000You know, some of it you can't talk about publicly, but it would still be great.
02:13:03.000I think energy expansion is important.
02:13:05.000I don't think that's really the immediate next step for the Trump administration.
02:13:08.000I think that it is essentially the political move.
02:13:11.000It is a reality that Republicans have to take a 60-majority Senate in 2026.
02:13:18.000Otherwise, none of this, all of the codifying stuff, all of the doge cuts that can't be passed through reconciliation, that is what matters.