Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - GOP Announces Move To ARREST Biden AG Garland For Contempt w-Arthur Bloom | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Yeah, maybe it's all bark and no bite, as one of our commenters has already pointed

00:00:25.000 But the GOP has announced that they are going to make a move, right, they're announcing their plan to initiate a vote to arrest Merrick Garland using an obscure power they have in Congress called inherent contempt.

00:00:42.000 I applaud their use of this.

00:00:44.000 I want to see them use it.

00:00:46.000 The story is basically Joe Biden is not being criminally charged for classified documents.

00:00:52.000 The Republicans want to know why.

00:00:54.000 Merrick Garland will not turn over any of the evidence.

00:00:57.000 They subpoenaed him.

00:00:58.000 He refused.

00:00:59.000 They referred him for criminal charges.

00:01:01.000 The DOJ said no.

00:01:03.000 Well, there is a mechanism for Congress and its inherent contempt, which would require the sergeant at arms to go and arrest the attorney general.

00:01:12.000 I assume most of you expect nothing to happen, but it's still a very interesting story nonetheless.

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00:05:44.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Arthur Bloom.

00:05:49.000 Hi Tim, thanks.

00:05:50.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:05:51.000 Absolutely.

00:05:51.000 Who are you?

00:05:52.000 What do you do?

00:05:52.000 I'm an independent journalist.

00:05:54.000 I've been working independently for the last year and a half or so.

00:05:58.000 I've recently won a defamation suit, which is sort of an interesting story, if I'm allowed to go into that a little bit.

00:06:04.000 The fellow who sued me And I've now beaten him, is the former owner of Ted Bundy's Volkswagen.

00:06:09.000 Oh, that's weird.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, he sued me for $10 million, and I beat him a couple of months ago, and he owes me $10,000.

00:06:15.000 And I've so far been unable to collect, so if any of you out there are familiar with the Nash-Rosenblatt, he owes me $10,000.

00:06:23.000 And he owns some other things too, including a rent-stabilized tenancy in the Hotel Chelsea, the famous bohemian hotel.

00:06:33.000 And his Chinese wife was arrested for trespassing at the Charlotte Airport in 2022.

00:06:38.000 So there are your clues.

00:06:39.000 All right!

00:06:41.000 So I've also started a nonprofit to look into, you know, matters related to government corruption and civil liberties.

00:06:48.000 In the past, I've had bylines at a number of right and left of center publications, worked at the American Conservative, The Daily Caller.

00:06:55.000 That's pretty much the story.

00:06:56.000 Right on.

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00:07:16.000 Hi, Serge.

00:07:17.000 Yo, what's up Phil?

00:07:18.000 Hi, well, I'm doing good.

00:07:20.000 He was here the whole time, what do you mean?

00:07:22.000 Phil was here the entire time, the monologue was a normal length, everything is fine.

00:07:27.000 Alright, we're good to go?

00:07:29.000 Everybody knows what that meant.

00:07:30.000 Alright, here's the first story from the hill.

00:07:33.000 Luna to force vote on obscure maneuver forcing Sergeant-at-Arms to detain Garland.

00:07:40.000 Okay, come on, guys.

00:07:41.000 Arrest.

00:07:42.000 It's to arrest, okay?

00:07:45.000 For crimes.

00:07:47.000 Rep Ana Paulina Luna will move within days to force a vote on having the House Sergeant-at-Arms forcibly bring Attorney General Merrick Garland before the House by holding him in inherent contempt over his refusal to turn over audio.

00:07:58.000 of Biden's interview with special counsel Robert Herr. Luna sent a letter to her colleagues Monday

00:08:03.000 saying she will call up her inherent contempt resolution in the next few days when she raises

00:08:07.000 the question of privilege. Leaders will have to schedule action on the resolution within two

00:08:11.000 legislative days. Her move follows House Republicans holding garland in contempt of 0.99

00:08:15.000 Congress earlier this month over his refusal to provide audio recordings from Biden's October

00:08:20.000 interview. Now, this is interesting. A lot of people believe that this vote will fail.

00:08:27.000 If it does, Congress, in my opinion, does not exist.

00:08:31.000 I mean, it literally does.

00:08:32.000 There's a room, there's people there, there's a sergeant at arms.

00:08:35.000 But if they cannot use their congressional authority to subpoena Merrick Garland and ask why Biden is not being criminally charged and Trump is, I mean, that's not even the root of the question.

00:08:47.000 It's why are you not charging this man for breaking the law?

00:08:51.000 Then Congress is completely impotent.

00:08:54.000 If they do not succeed in the inherent contempt maneuver, it is, I think it's fair to say it's already plainly obvious, but I think that will be the biggest and clearest sign to the American people that your government is a facade and is being run by the intelligence agencies, which most of us already know to be the case, but we assume there's some semblance of American populist power, that the people still have some opportunity here, Let me break this down as Luna did.

00:09:26.000 Joe Biden's got classified documents.

00:09:28.000 The reason he had them was because he wanted to write a book to sell and make money.

00:09:31.000 His ghostwriter deleted some of the evidence when he found this out.

00:09:34.000 He was investigated.

00:09:35.000 They found numerous instances where he was holding these classified documents.

00:09:39.000 The DOJ says they're not going to prosecute because he's an old man with a bad memory.

00:09:44.000 Republicans say, we want that recording of the conversation, because the transcript, first, it may have been altered.

00:09:51.000 What do we know?

00:09:52.000 They say no.

00:09:53.000 They say, Merrick Garland, we are subpoenaing you for this audio.

00:09:56.000 Merrick Garland says no.

00:09:57.000 They say, if you do not comply with the subpoena, we will hold you in contempt of Congress, the same as the J6 committee did to Steve Bannon and to Peter Navarro.

00:10:05.000 And Navarro's in prison now, and Bannon's going on the first.

00:10:09.000 Merrick Garland said, F off.

00:10:12.000 They then referred Merrick Garland for criminal prosecution for contempt of Congress.

00:10:17.000 The DOJ said, F off.

00:10:19.000 Their last move is to hold him in inherent contempt and send the sergeant-at-arms to arrest him.

00:10:24.000 If this fails, it is clear.

00:10:27.000 Congress, your government, it's a facade.

00:10:31.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:10:32.000 Like, I'm really over the whole, like, essentially the government, if you're in favor of the government, the government just changes the laws to accommodate you.

00:10:42.000 I was talking about this with CounterPoints, Connor from CounterPoints earlier.

00:10:47.000 Essentially, all of the things that Donald Trump has alleged to have done or has been found guilty of doing, all of them, another president has done to some degree, and they have looked the other way.

00:11:00.000 And every president leading up to Donald Trump has done things far worse.

00:11:04.000 Barack Obama, everybody that watches IRL knows Barack Obama killed two American citizens without even so much as a... I was going to say it.

00:11:11.000 No, I mean, not that I'm happy that it happened, but it's like that's the one that's the most egregious, the most obviously egregious.

00:11:17.000 Never mind the fact that George Bush allowed spying on the entire country that was unconstitutional.

00:11:25.000 If the establishment approves of you, they just say, well, it's fine.

00:11:30.000 You can have classified documents in your garage.

00:11:32.000 You can have classified documents on a server in your bathroom.

00:11:35.000 It's okay for you because you are... And they will stage evidence against you if you're the political enemy like Trump.

00:11:42.000 Yeah, so I love the fact, hopefully they do pick him up.

00:11:45.000 If there is any justice, there would be.

00:11:48.000 I don't expect this to happen.

00:11:49.000 I don't think they will though, right?

00:11:51.000 Real quick, I just would like to, you know, maybe an iMessage or an email?

00:11:59.000 Stumbles upon some journalists about when and where the arrest will take place, and then at 4 a.m.

00:12:04.000 there will be a news crew out in front of Garland's house, like with Roger Stone, you know?

00:12:09.000 I sound a note of skepticism here.

00:12:11.000 So what's being proposed here?

00:12:13.000 The House has a razor, razor thin Republican majority.

00:12:18.000 Four or something?

00:12:20.000 It's very small.

00:12:21.000 And so what's being proposed here is to put the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States on trial.

00:12:28.000 First of all, I think it would fail.

00:12:30.000 And second of all, it's a bad look.

00:12:32.000 So the real story with Trump and the story that a lot of otherwise well-intentioned people are sort of unwilling to talk about is the story of Trump and organized crime.

00:12:42.000 And over the past year or so, there have been a number of very, very interesting, look, I don't think the Biden Justice Department is sacrosanct.

00:12:51.000 I don't think they're saints, but they have had a number of pretty notable successes against organized crime, big prosecutions of like the Gambino family, the Sinaloa cartel.

00:13:02.000 We should applaud those things.

00:13:03.000 And so now a party that's standing behind President Trump, who has a long-standing relationship with organized crime, is proposing to try the nation's chief law enforcement officer in Congress.

00:13:14.000 Does that seem like it's on the up and up?

00:13:17.000 Super don't care. 1.00

00:13:18.000 Super don't care. 1.00

00:13:20.000 Let's slow down there a minute.

00:13:21.000 You're saying that Congress legitimately offered up a subpoena that Merrick Garland denied, and he's in contempt of Congress, and Congress should take no enforcement action against that?

00:13:34.000 It's been routine for—I mean, I don't think it's good in general that the executive branch routinely shrugs off subpoenas from Congress.

00:13:45.000 But the fact is, if you're going to change that incentive structure, this isn't the way to do it.

00:13:51.000 Putting the nation's chief law enforcement officer on trial in Congress with this, you know, cockamamie triple bank shot of a constitutional maneuver— How is this cockamamie triple bank shot?

00:14:02.000 It's an utterly obscure idea.

00:14:05.000 It appears to be a standard order of operations.

00:14:11.000 When was the last time it happened?

00:14:12.000 1937, I think.

00:14:13.000 Is that what it was?

00:14:13.000 Okay.

00:14:14.000 So it's been about 90 years.

00:14:16.000 Uh-huh.

00:14:17.000 Okay.

00:14:17.000 I'd say about a hundred years since it was ever enforced.

00:14:21.000 So I suppose the issue is, if Peter Navarro's in prison, and Steve Bannon's on his way to prison for contempt of Congress, this nation, the DOJ, we expect that when a subpoena is issued by Congress, it be answered or else.

00:14:35.000 And for the DOJ, for Merrick Garland to deny Congress's authority, when the Republicans finally have some kind of majority to take some kind of investigative action, they don't criminally charge Joe Biden, but they do criminally charge Donald Trump.

00:14:50.000 OK, we've got a problem here.

00:14:51.000 It's one or the other, not both.

00:14:53.000 The FBI staged evidence in a photograph they released to the public that is tilting the public opinion against Trump.

00:14:59.000 We've got a clear conflict of interest.

00:15:02.000 So then we say, OK, how about this?

00:15:04.000 Merrick Garland, give us the audio recording of that interview Biden had with her so we can understand exactly why Biden is not being charged, but Trump is.

00:15:13.000 We want the context around Biden.

00:15:15.000 They deny a subpoena.

00:15:15.000 They say no.

00:15:17.000 Well, Bannon's going to jail in five days for the same thing.

00:15:23.000 This nation does not exist.

00:15:25.000 If laws are only applied on one side of the aisle, if Merrick Garland denies answering the subpoena, and the only other thing Congress can do is inherent contempt, which hasn't been used in a hundred years, sounds like we're in a really, really dramatic and drastic circumstance requiring such an action, which is in the standard order of operations.

00:15:48.000 Eric Holder was held in contempt over the Fast and Furious scandal in about 2012.

00:15:53.000 Basically, nothing came of it.

00:15:55.000 And, I mean, that's just how things have been done.

00:15:59.000 Is it a good thing?

00:16:01.000 How they used to be done.

00:16:02.000 How they go now is, if you're Peter Navarro, you go to prison, and if you're Steve Bannon, you go to prison as well.

00:16:06.000 I suppose.

00:16:07.000 And if that's the standard, then this is the actions we take.

00:16:09.000 Yeah, I think Steve Bannon has done a lot of somewhat suspect things, to be perfectly honest.

00:16:15.000 What does that have to do with a balance in how our law is enforced?

00:16:19.000 I don't understand why Congress has to act because something happened to Steve Bannon.

00:16:25.000 That doesn't follow to me.

00:16:26.000 Steve Bannon was charged with contempt of Congress.

00:16:31.000 If Congress is going to refer for criminal indictment over what is a criminal action, contempt of Congress, then we expect that standard to be applied to all.

00:16:43.000 You do not have a country... I mean, Steve Bannon is not the nation's chief law enforcement officer.

00:16:48.000 Doesn't matter.

00:16:48.000 No one's above the law.

00:16:49.000 I don't see why the... I understand what you're talking about, but at the same time, what you're implying is that there are people that are above prosecution and people that are not.

00:16:56.000 No, it implies that there are separation of powers issues.

00:17:00.000 Yes, Steve Bannon, working as an advisor of the executive branch, was instructed by Donald Trump not to turn over executive documents under executive privilege.

00:17:10.000 The Biden administration said, we as the new executive branch waive that.

00:17:14.000 Well, this is a constitutional issue regarding whether or not the previous administration retains executive privilege.

00:17:20.000 They do!

00:17:20.000 It would be absurd to claim otherwise.

00:17:23.000 When Steve Bannon said, I'm between a rock and a hard place.

00:17:27.000 If I comply with the subpoena, I'm in violation of the executive branch.

00:17:30.000 And if I don't comply, I'm in violation of the legislative branch.

00:17:33.000 What should I do?

00:17:35.000 Eventually, Trump relented and said, Steve, we're waiving privilege.

00:17:39.000 Turn the documents over.

00:17:41.000 The J6 committee said, it's too late.

00:17:43.000 We don't care.

00:17:44.000 Bannon, you're going to jail.

00:17:45.000 He appealed this and lost.

00:17:47.000 If Bannon, as an advisor and as an actor of the executive branch, is being held in contempt, then Merrick Garland, under the same exact standards, will as well.

00:17:56.000 And they are denying this.

00:17:58.000 Here's your problem.

00:17:59.000 If two agents of the executive branch are being held to different standards based on their political faction, then you do not have a country.

00:18:08.000 A country cannot function if the people do not have confidence that laws will be upheld.

00:18:11.000 This is fundamentally Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, the reason why we have Blackstone's formulation, why Benjamin Franklin multiplied it by 10.

00:18:20.000 If the American people believe that even if you are innocent, you will go to prison, then there is no reason to be innocent, and there is only an everyman for himself.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, I mean, there are often cases where people go down for reasons that are not really the reasons they deserve to go down for.

00:18:40.000 And Bannon is probably one of those cases.

00:18:46.000 Are you raising a legitimate issue of kind of fair treatment on either side?

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 But Steve Bannon has been taking some interesting Russian money.

00:18:57.000 He's got a number of issues.

00:18:59.000 None of this is neither here nor there.

00:19:01.000 Okay.

00:19:01.000 I mean, I'm just saying, if you're going to have your Thomas Paine moment, let's have it behind a Thomas Paine.

00:19:11.000 No, absolutely not.

00:19:14.000 We are not going to say, I object to the moral standards of the individual so he is not receiving inherent rights.

00:19:20.000 It's not about moral standards.

00:19:22.000 It's not at all about moral standards.

00:19:24.000 It's about he's been taking Russian money.

00:19:27.000 So what?

00:19:28.000 But I mean, doesn't there have to be a trial before you can even say that?

00:19:31.000 Has he been taking Russian money?

00:19:32.000 So what?

00:19:33.000 I don't care.

00:19:34.000 I don't care if Vladimir Putin personally handed him a gold bar.

00:19:37.000 The fact is, you cannot have a country if your government explicitly states, we will hold our own to different standards and not charge them, and you will rot in prison.

00:19:47.000 I think it's farcical to get into high-duty over somebody that's been in bed with the Russians. 0.60

00:19:53.000 That has nothing to do with the laws of this nation.

00:19:56.000 Yeah, I mean, Al Capone went down for tax fraud, not for being a mobster.

00:20:00.000 Well, I mean, he committed tax fraud.

00:20:02.000 Okay.

00:20:02.000 That's not how we remember Al Capone.

00:20:06.000 Sure, but we enforce tax fraud laws against people, and that's the one they were able to catch him on.

00:20:12.000 And we caught Steve Bannon on contempt of Congress.

00:20:16.000 This is actually a fascinating thing, that Capone, we could not prove of the mobster stuff he was doing, and so we did not put him in prison.

00:20:24.000 That's amazing!

00:20:25.000 We couldn't prove it, so we didn't do it.

00:20:26.000 But we could prove the tax fraud stuff, and so we did!

00:20:29.000 Steve, okay, so fair point.

00:20:31.000 Merrick Garland goes to prison next.

00:20:34.000 I don't see how that follows.

00:20:36.000 Merrick, we get people on tax fraud, right?

00:20:39.000 We get Merrick Garland on contempt.

00:20:40.000 We get Bannon on contempt.

00:20:41.000 We get Merrick Garland on contempt.

00:20:42.000 That's the way this country works.

00:20:44.000 Yeah, I don't think it's going to work to throw an attorney general in prison, no.

00:20:47.000 What does that mean?

00:20:48.000 I'm afraid not.

00:20:50.000 Do you think it would be good to set a precedent where we're throwing our attorneys general in prison?

00:20:54.000 Do you think it's a good idea to prosecute the president, impeach him twice after the... No!

00:20:59.000 I actually think the greatest precedent ever, one of the greatest things ever done in this country would be to say, You do not violate the subpoenas from Congress.

00:21:14.000 And if you are referred, the DOJ cannot intervene and say we won't actually enforce the law.

00:21:19.000 If we're to put Merrick Garland in prison, that would be a strong statement that no one is above the law.

00:21:25.000 Okay.

00:21:26.000 Well, he clearly broke the law.

00:21:27.000 That's not in dispute.

00:21:27.000 That's a fact.

00:21:31.000 Look, the executive branch has been standing up to congressional subpoenas for, like, decades.

00:21:37.000 If that's a situation you want to end, you're not going to end it with a four-seat majority.

00:21:41.000 Let's just be realistic about this.

00:21:43.000 Well, that's also, again, not the point.

00:21:44.000 As I already stated, many people don't expect the vote to actually succeed.

00:21:48.000 But that's a different point.

00:21:49.000 And that's the point where I made is— Well, why are you setting these expectations for something that's not going to happen?

00:21:54.000 That has nothing to do with the principle of how a country will function and the fact basis of what happens to a country that doesn't abide by these standards.

00:22:03.000 Okay.

00:22:04.000 That's why I said if they do not vote in favor of inherent contempt, your country doesn't exist.

00:22:09.000 It's a facade.

00:22:10.000 So this is about telling Republicans how to vote on this one.

00:22:13.000 This is about maintaining the fabric of a country based on the standards set by law enforcement and the co-equal branches of government that have been acting in complete violation of the Constitution for decades.

00:22:24.000 And we're on the verge of the fabric shredding into a million pieces.

00:22:29.000 Where we are now... I mean, are you going to cross the Rubicon with this Caesar and this army?

00:22:33.000 No, the Rubicon was crossed with the arrest of Peter Navarro and the charges against Steve Bannon.

00:22:40.000 The Rubicon was crossed by accusing Donald Trump of being a traitor to his country, falsely, and impeaching him over what Joe Biden was actually doing in Ukraine.

00:22:49.000 The Rubicon was crossed a long time ago.

00:22:51.000 And now the issue is, how do we prevent total decay and chaos and disorder?

00:22:56.000 Clearly not this way.

00:22:58.000 This is the only way.

00:22:59.000 No, it's not.

00:23:00.000 Yeah, see, if you're approaching this from, we hereby publicly declare that Democrats can break the law, but Peter Navarro goes to prison for it, then here's what happens.

00:23:08.000 So let's go back to Blackstone's formulation, a very rudimentary element of American constitutional Well, I would say the constitution of the American people, that is what constitutes the American people.

00:23:20.000 The reason why the United States holds its views on, say, the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth Amendment is that Blackstone, you can go back to England, It is better that ten guilty persons go free than one innocent person suffer. 0.74

00:23:34.000 The reason for this, as articulated very well by the Founding Fathers, was that if a nation comes to believe that if you, as an innocent person, you will be prosecuted and persecuted regardless, then the incentive of the public is to defy population and government and act in accordance of only themselves.

00:23:34.000 Sure.

00:23:52.000 Well, look, I think Peter Navarro's gotten a bad rap.

00:23:54.000 I'm not so sure about Steve Bannon, but, you know, if you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

00:23:58.000 Neither here nor there.

00:24:00.000 Like, you keep making these personal arguments, like, I personally don't like Bannon, therefore this is just not the case.

00:24:00.000 Okay.

00:24:05.000 It's not about that.

00:24:07.000 It's about when you're dealing with mobsters, you use the knife at hand.

00:24:11.000 So the issue then becomes, and this is why the Founding Fathers opposed this, and Benjamin Franklin said it is better, Blackstone was wrong, he said it is better that a hundred guilty persons go free than one innocent suffer.

00:24:21.000 Which is to state that even if Bannon is a mobster, you do not use the law incongruously to lock him up.

00:24:27.000 Why?

00:24:28.000 It hasn't been used incongruously.

00:24:30.000 You're trying to create a double standard.

00:24:33.000 Merrick Garland denied a subpoena, was referred for criminal prosecution, and they said no.

00:24:38.000 That's an ex post facto thing.

00:24:40.000 You're creating the double standard with what's going on right now.

00:24:43.000 The double standard didn't exist until Anna Paulina Luna decided to create it. 0.96

00:24:46.000 What double standard?

00:24:48.000 What you just said.

00:24:49.000 The case you've been kind of laying out.

00:24:50.000 The double standard was when the DOJ said, we won't prosecute Merrick Garland.

00:24:53.000 Right.

00:24:54.000 Okay, and now the response is, we have no choice but to enforce our legislative authority, which is, the next step would be inherent contempt.

00:25:01.000 Okay.

00:25:02.000 If we live in a country where the people of this nation are looking to the highest level, the executive branch, and the DOJ says explicitly, we are above the law, We get exactly what the Founding Fathers feared.

00:25:17.000 You will see small communities fracture off from confidence in the government, start acting within their own accordance in defiance of federal law, and it will exacerbate more than it already has to this point.

00:25:29.000 The only remedy would be If Peter Navarro is going to jail, if Bannon's going to jail, Merrick Garland has to answer in the exact same way.

00:25:38.000 Otherwise, the last semblance of any kind of cohesion in this country is ripped to shreds.

00:25:44.000 And it is at the DOJ level, the highest level, we are hearing them say explicitly, we will charge your candidate, the frontrunner for the presidency.

00:25:52.000 Under the same law, we will not charge the current president, Joe Biden.

00:25:56.000 There's a question of immunity that only applies to Trump and not to Joe Biden.

00:26:00.000 The DOJ will absolutely ignore contempt of Congress targeting our political party, but yours we will go at with full force.

00:26:08.000 And this is what precipitates social disorder, chaos, and eventual fracturing like the Soviet Union. 0.97

00:26:15.000 You have to have the American people, the people of a nation, must believe the government is functioning.

00:26:20.000 And right now, if they don't do this, then the word is out.

00:26:25.000 Prima facie, I don't buy the argument that America falls if we don't prosecute the Chief Law Enforcement Officer.

00:26:31.000 Think about what you're saying.

00:26:34.000 Think about that.

00:26:36.000 It's like upside-down world.

00:26:37.000 Pretty sure I thought about it quite intently and then expressed myself for 20 minutes already on the issue.

00:26:43.000 Can I raise a question just for both of you to consider?

00:26:46.000 So yesterday the House said that they were considering holding in contempt the biographer of Biden who's written these memoirs and he's refused to comply with the subpoena, asking him to turn over documents and audio recordings and things like that.

00:27:00.000 How does that compare for you?

00:27:02.000 You know, you're saying the chief law enforcement officer versus this biographer who's refusing to comply with subpoena. 0.99

00:27:07.000 Is one better than the other or are they both ridiculous? 0.97

00:27:09.000 What's the take here? 0.88

00:27:11.000 I think in general, congressional subpoenas should be respected.

00:27:14.000 It's a little bit different when you're dealing with the sitting Attorney General.

00:27:18.000 Because some people are above the law, right?

00:27:20.000 Yes or no?

00:27:21.000 There are real separation of powers issues.

00:27:25.000 What is being asked for is basically investigative documents.

00:27:31.000 Can you articulate the separation of powers you're concerned with?

00:27:35.000 Lay out the idea that you're actually concerned with.

00:27:37.000 Do you want Congress getting involved in the investigation of criminal matters?

00:27:40.000 I didn't ask you to ask me a question.

00:27:42.000 What are your thoughts on it?

00:27:43.000 We do not want Congress to get involved with the investigation.

00:27:47.000 If Congress gets involved in the investigation of More or less ordinary crime, though this is admittedly extraordinary crime.

00:27:54.000 That's a road we don't... There's a reason why we have an attorney general.

00:27:59.000 You're starting to go down the road where we actually don't believe in attorneys general in the first place.

00:28:03.000 If a president commits a crime, who investigates him?

00:28:06.000 His own DOJ?

00:28:09.000 Typically, I mean, this is kind of what impeachment is for, right?

00:28:12.000 High crimes and misdemeanors.

00:28:13.000 Okay, well how do you begin the process of high crimes and misdemeanors without an investigation?

00:28:16.000 Should Congress then investigate?

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:19.000 Okay, so what happens when Congress says, give us the documents and they say no?

00:28:27.000 Yeah, I mean, this is a strange hypothetical.

00:28:31.000 There's literally no hypothetical here right now.

00:28:35.000 Presidents have committed crimes, and the process is their co-equal branches investigate them.

00:28:40.000 We don't know that the president's committed a crime.

00:28:43.000 Well, you need an investigation first, right?

00:28:45.000 The DOJ?

00:28:45.000 Who investigates?

00:28:46.000 Well, no, that's the branch we're concerned with.

00:28:48.000 So you would need a co-equal branch to perform a check and balance on the other branch, which would be... I mean, should we get a special prosecutor or something like that?

00:28:54.000 Well, it would be Congress.

00:28:55.000 Congress initiates impeachment inquiries all the time.

00:28:59.000 So if you'd like to initiate an impeachment inquiry, you're going to need preponderance of evidence.

00:29:03.000 Okay, well, Joe Biden committed a crime.

00:29:05.000 That's not in dispute.

00:29:06.000 We know for a fact that he did.

00:29:07.000 Those documents he had in his house is a violation of the law.

00:29:10.000 They did not prosecute.

00:29:12.000 We are now aware of a high crime or misdemeanor, and we would like evidence, preponderance of evidence, to launch an inquiry and a formal impeachment.

00:29:19.000 That's what Congress does. 0.70

00:29:20.000 It's why Congress has these powers.

00:29:22.000 If a branch of government is acting in defiance of the law, the DOJ is not going to investigate itself.

00:29:28.000 No, Congress does that.

00:29:29.000 And then Congress requested the evidence.

00:29:31.000 The Attorney General rejected this, refused to do it.

00:29:34.000 They're not holding anyone accountable.

00:29:36.000 The order of operations then is, yeah, here we go.

00:29:39.000 Inherit contempt.

00:29:40.000 The Sergeant-at-Arms of Congress is going to be the one who has to take enforcement action.

00:29:47.000 Uh-huh.

00:29:48.000 This is all standard order of operations, in my opinion.

00:29:51.000 It's not standard order of operations to have the House Sergeant of Arms arrest the Attorney General.

00:29:56.000 But it is.

00:29:57.000 It's not.

00:29:58.000 Well, yeah, it's in there, but it hasn't happened in 90 years.

00:30:01.000 So Biden committed a crime.

00:30:02.000 That's a fact, right?

00:30:04.000 No, it's not.

00:30:05.000 He didn't have classified documents?

00:30:07.000 The purpose of a trial is to determine if somebody could- Did Joe Biden have classified documents?

00:30:12.000 A lot of politicians have had classified documents.

00:30:13.000 Why can't you answer the question?

00:30:14.000 Did he have the documents?

00:30:15.000 Yes or no?

00:30:16.000 Yeah, he did.

00:30:16.000 Is that illegal?

00:30:17.000 I mean, so did Trump.

00:30:18.000 Sure.

00:30:19.000 And he's being charged for it.

00:30:20.000 Yeah.

00:30:21.000 So is it illegal?

00:30:22.000 Yeah, of course it's illegal.

00:30:23.000 So Biden committed crimes?

00:30:24.000 I mean, I totally get what you're saying about all the double standards when it comes to the over classification of things.

00:30:30.000 But what you're talking about is going forward with this crazy triple bank shot that isn't going anywhere.

00:30:35.000 What's a triple bank shot?

00:30:37.000 What does that mean?

00:30:38.000 Having the House Sergeant-at-Arms arrest the Attorney General.

00:30:41.000 That's a crazy triple bank shot. 0.61

00:30:42.000 What's your remedy for Joe Biden having committed crimes and there being no accountability?

00:30:45.000 I think in general, this happens so much that overlooking this is not the end of the world.

00:30:51.000 So overlook the crimes being committed.

00:30:55.000 Well, look, are you going to prosecute half the civil servants in Washington?

00:31:00.000 I mean, I would.

00:31:01.000 Okay.

00:31:02.000 No question.

00:31:03.000 Yeah, if I was president, I'd be in jail.

00:31:05.000 That's an interesting idea.

00:31:06.000 I mean, if the guy who's pushing for this has been taking a bunch of Russian money for years, does that seem like... Steve Bannon is not the guy pushing it.

00:31:13.000 I am, and I've not taken any Russian money.

00:31:17.000 Okay, it seems like this is unwise.

00:31:20.000 It seems like this is an imprudent action.

00:31:24.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:31:25.000 Why?

00:31:26.000 Because a party that's standing behind a guy with a longtime relationship with organized crime proposing to arrest the nation's chief law enforcement officer.

00:31:38.000 It seems like the sort of thing gangsters would do.

00:31:41.000 Completely meaningless.

00:31:42.000 It's not meaningless.

00:31:43.000 So why we have Donald Trump in the first place, why we have Steve Bannon in the first place, is because of people like you.

00:31:50.000 Because we are witness to crimes committed by political elites, corporate elites— Most of my writing has been fairly supportive of Trump.

00:31:57.000 Sure, sure.

00:31:58.000 And the reason why we have Trump is because of people like you, who make the argument that Joe Biden should be allowed to commit crimes, that Merrick Garland— I haven't made that argument.

00:32:05.000 Well, you said there should be no enforcement action.

00:32:07.000 You said we shouldn't pursue action to go after a man who's not being charged for crimes.

00:32:12.000 I mean, this guy, nobody's talking about Joe Biden beating up an old woman while she's carrying her groceries.

00:32:18.000 We're talking about standards in law enforcement.

00:32:20.000 And we either have a standard of law enforcement or we don't.

00:32:23.000 And if we as a people do not understand where the line is, there is no line, you get oligarchy and you get Soviet-style collapse.

00:32:30.000 And then you can look at Ukraine and we can look at history to see what happens to nations that do exactly what you're describing.

00:32:36.000 I think the direction toward Banana Republic kind of begins with arresting chief law enforcement officers.

00:32:42.000 I think it begins with accusing your president of being a Russian traitor in 2016 or 2015, before he even got elected, and then spending $35 million on a false investigation, continually accusing him and running smears in the press over and over again, only to find out the whole thing was fake.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, I'm not going to defend Russiagate.

00:32:59.000 You're right about that.

00:33:00.000 Okay, so now we need some accountability.

00:33:02.000 Okay, this is probably not the way to get it.

00:33:05.000 Well, Congress has to investigate.

00:33:07.000 The only thing Republicans have been able to muster up in the past several years, while Trump has got his feet stuck in concrete and he's barely able to get anything done, mind you, a lot of it was his own fault.

00:33:17.000 He hired a lot of these people.

00:33:19.000 You end up with Republicans getting back Congress and Using Congress.

00:33:24.000 In the meantime, when Democrats had Congress and they launched the J6 committee, of which Matt Gaetz has explained was not properly formed, didn't have a proper minority representation on it, they begin to pull people in, criminally charge them under these ridiculous lies, give up information, leak it to the press.

00:33:43.000 We need accountability.

00:33:45.000 I'm not even asking for anything extrajudicial.

00:33:47.000 I'm not asking for anything over what's already been done.

00:33:50.000 I'm asking for equal standard of the law to be applied.

00:33:53.000 If we don't have that, the American people will disregard the rule of law in this country.

00:33:58.000 That's what the founding fathers feared.

00:34:00.000 That's why we have the first, fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments.

00:34:03.000 That's why we have Blackstone's formulation at the core of how we handle our law in this country.

00:34:07.000 I mean, look, if you're going to make that argument that there's a different standard for powerful people versus unpowerful people, and I think in a lot of cases that's quite true, how about the recent indictment of Henry Cullar?

00:34:21.000 He's a Democratic centrist congressman with connections to Onderil, which is a company that's quite right-wing.

00:34:27.000 It's got connections to Peter Thiel, Trey Stevens, the Founders Fund, these sorts of guys.

00:34:33.000 And the congressman who's the chief backer, who's a Democrat by the way, has recently been indicted.

00:34:39.000 How about all of the indictments of powerful gangsters that have happened over the last year and a half?

00:34:44.000 I mean, this is to me fairly strong indications that things are heading in a positive direction rather than a negative one.

00:34:51.000 So I don't really buy the idea that the sky is falling unless we arrest the Attorney General.

00:34:58.000 Okay, so Peter Nabarro's in jail.

00:35:02.000 Steve Bannon's going to jail.

00:35:04.000 They're pretty short sentences.

00:35:05.000 Even if it's not.

00:35:06.000 Regardless.

00:35:08.000 Even if I grant that, or if we say that it's not, you know, the sky isn't falling, and I think you're probably right, like it isn't like this is going to change the course of history if you do.

00:35:18.000 I still think that the idea that it's beyond the pale to use procedure that exists to try

00:35:27.000 to at least incentivize proper behavior.

00:35:33.000 And that's part of the reason why we have law enforcement for regular people, right?

00:35:36.000 You have cops on the beat because you want to deter crime.

00:35:38.000 If you don't, if you only have one political party, even if they're the party out of favor

00:35:43.000 like Donald Trump and his friends, even if you look at them with disfavor and you think

00:35:47.000 that they're corrupt, that's you can have that opinion and fine.

00:35:50.000 But if you only prosecute them, you shake the country's trust in the institutions at

00:35:56.000 a time when we have already gone through COVID and we went through all of the lawlessness

00:36:02.000 of 2020 and stuff.

00:36:03.000 20th stuff you got, you got...

00:36:03.000 You've got, you've got.

00:36:04.000 The American people have never had less faith in their government.

00:36:07.000 They're even having a shaking of the faith of the things that we have consistently had generally positive opinions of, the military.

00:36:15.000 So we've got a massive problem in America with people not believing in our institutions.

00:36:19.000 And as long as our institutions are not handing out justice equally, you're going to only intensify that.

00:36:25.000 So I can understand your perspective about this isn't worth it.

00:36:27.000 I get it.

00:36:28.000 But I do think that just to say, to blow it off and to say that it's not worth the effort, not worth talking about, or too crazy, at some point the American people are going to say, look, It's always one-sided.

00:36:39.000 The guns always point in one way.

00:36:40.000 And that only leads to more people... I agree with everything you just said, but... We know what happens after this.

00:36:47.000 You look at any country.

00:36:48.000 You look at every country that's gone through this.

00:36:50.000 The Soviet Union collapses.

00:36:52.000 We get the rise of the Ukrainian oligarchs and the Russian oligarchs.

00:36:55.000 You look at the Spanish Civil War.

00:36:57.000 You cannot, as a country, function when one political faction targets the other without any kind of accountability.

00:37:03.000 That's it.

00:37:05.000 This is why you get January 6th.

00:37:07.000 This is why you get Donald Trump in the first place.

00:37:11.000 Barack Obama was a Democrat, and you got Occupy Wall Street under him.

00:37:15.000 A left-wing protest.

00:37:17.000 Regular people are watching the big banks get bailed out, the corporations get bailed out, and they get screwed over every step of the way.

00:37:24.000 Now, what do you end up with?

00:37:25.000 Following Occupy, 9 million people who voted for Barack Obama end up voting for Donald Trump.

00:37:30.000 Michael Moore explained it pretty well.

00:37:32.000 Trump was the human Molotov cocktail being thrown into the system for so many people.

00:37:36.000 I agree with that. 0.99

00:37:37.000 Then they accused him of being a traitor.

00:37:39.000 They falsely impeached him twice.

00:37:41.000 And you end up with one of the impeachments as the result of January 6th.

00:37:45.000 That rage you see on January 6th, which that's a particularly complicated issue.

00:37:49.000 I mean, they certainly could have had security and prevented the worst of it.

00:37:52.000 But the rage you see from that unprecedented and the summer of love being unprecedented is a dramatic escalation of social disorder that we have seen historically.

00:38:02.000 If we are now at the point where one branch of government has no power to enforce their constitutional authority, Then we may as well just have Joe Biden enact Presidential Directive 51 and hereby declare continuity of government in a new constitutional single-branch government like George W. Bush outlined back in 07.

00:38:25.000 Because that's what we're looking at right now.

00:38:26.000 Democrats would become the uniparty.

00:38:28.000 They would cite COVID as their reason for having done it, or inflation, or whatever they want to do.

00:38:32.000 And then they just say, considering that no one cares at this point, or no one believes in checks and balances of the branches of government, then he could just do it.

00:38:42.000 So if we're going to send around subpoenas to Merrick Garland, or if we're going to haul him up to the hill, Maybe the one that should be sent his way has to do with what he might have known about, you know, the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:38:59.000 He was the prosecutor in that.

00:39:00.000 There are still a number of unanswered questions.

00:39:03.000 Rather than, you know, trying to, you know, force this double, you know, make sure that there's no double standard in defense of some admittedly rather dubious characters like Steve Bannon and President Trump.

00:39:18.000 This is why you end up with Trump, because of the historical things you reference, and the breaking point of the American people, who finally said, we are sick of the double standard, of the lies and manipulations, and so they bring in the bull.

00:39:31.000 I get all that, and I'm totally with you.

00:39:34.000 But, you know, when we start crossing Rubicons, you better make sure you're standing behind a Caesar.

00:39:39.000 Rubicon was crossed.

00:39:41.000 Yeah, I mean, that's how these sorts of crises work.

00:39:44.000 But the fact is, when you start, you know, pulling out the big guns, they're going to come back at you.

00:39:51.000 Is the argument that they should be allowed to imprison any Republican they want, and then Republicans should just beg for forgiveness and mercy?

00:40:02.000 I'm saying that this is not a remedy that works.

00:40:04.000 Should Trump just beg?

00:40:05.000 Should Trump go on TV right now and beg for mercy?

00:40:08.000 That would be kind of funny.

00:40:10.000 So you think he should?

00:40:11.000 I would love to see it.

00:40:14.000 Right, okay.

00:40:15.000 I mean, like I said, I get what you're saying.

00:40:18.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:40:19.000 There are things that can be counterproductive.

00:40:23.000 There are procedures that can be counterproductive that can hurt the cause.

00:40:25.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:40:27.000 And I don't have any kind of emotional attachment to this, to this particular issue, but I do think that the argument that always tends to show up is always in the favor of the establishment because the establishment is there.

00:40:42.000 They know how things work.

00:40:43.000 Look, we can't change like this.

00:40:45.000 We can't do this.

00:40:46.000 These people are the serious people, etc, etc.

00:40:48.000 And it turns into, whether it's intentional or not, it turns into the American people continuing to have a degraded sense of trust in not only their government, but in their justice, in the justice system itself.

00:41:02.000 And that is a problem that I personally think is clear and present.

00:41:06.000 It's not something coming down the road.

00:41:07.000 It's something that we're dealing with right now, and I think that we're gonna have serious ramifications downstream in your average everyday American's life.

00:41:17.000 If people don't believe in the law, they break it.

00:41:20.000 And you saw that with all the... As soon as the ACAB stuff came out, people were like, You know, the ACAB sentiment came out.

00:41:27.000 You saw the response in the population right away.

00:41:31.000 Murders went up, and not only that, you had way more people dying because of car accidents.

00:41:37.000 And people think, why would there be car accidents?

00:41:39.000 Look at the rates on department stores.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:42.000 But the reason that people were dying of car accidents is because police were afraid to pull people over because people didn't respect the law anymore.

00:41:48.000 And if we don't have a population that believes in the law, and believes in the rule of law, and believes it's fair, then you're going to have much more significant downstream consequences than whether or not, you know, AG Merrick Garland, who's on his way out anyways, or is likely on his way out if President Biden doesn't win.

00:42:07.000 So I think that actually becomes a secondary issue.

00:42:11.000 There is only one thing that constitutes government, and that is confidence.

00:42:15.000 The only difference between the mob and the government is the confidence of the people.

00:42:20.000 You take a look at the function of a mafia in a local area.

00:42:23.000 They go around, they tell people, you're going to pay us, and we're going to provide protection.

00:42:27.000 Things like that.

00:42:28.000 They decide to operate under their own terms.

00:42:30.000 We saw this actually very well in the favelas of Brazil.

00:42:33.000 The government had no control over the favelas.

00:42:35.000 They were ruled by gangs.

00:42:38.000 But the gangs who were there were effectively the governments of those favelas.

00:42:43.000 Everybody knew they were in charge.

00:42:44.000 They kept the peace.

00:42:45.000 They kept the order.

00:42:46.000 It wasn't random criminals running in and smashing up people's homes.

00:42:50.000 No, they were the neighbors, the kids, the fathers, the brothers of the people who lived there, who enforced, if you came into their neighbor and you caused problems, they would deal with you.

00:42:58.000 They were the government.

00:42:59.000 The government didn't like this, and they wanted to do what's called pacification.

00:43:03.000 They wanted to take control of the favelas.

00:43:05.000 They built these big cable cars to get from the ground to the top of these hills.

00:43:09.000 Then they sent in what's called the Bopi with high-powered rifles to start gunning down and removing the de facto government of these areas. 1.00

00:43:19.000 The only thing that mattered among those people who lived there was in the belief of who had the ability to exact force with impunity.

00:43:26.000 And now it is the official government of Brazil.

00:43:29.000 In the United States you have an inversion happening.

00:43:31.000 Regular people are no longer believing in the rule of law, as evidenced by numerous videos of roving bands smashing their way into department stores, stealing whatever they want, and leaving.

00:43:41.000 People fighting with police in more and more videos.

00:43:43.000 Leftists will actually do what they call de-arrest.

00:43:47.000 They don't even fear assaulting officers anymore.

00:43:49.000 They get released right away.

00:43:51.000 When the people begin to believe that the police can do nothing and the government can do nothing, the government becomes nothing more than a gang.

00:43:58.000 And my fear is, as I describe it, one day someone shows up to a house with a warrant and the person inside views them as no different than if a guy dressed up like Bugs Bunny showed up.

00:44:08.000 Your badge means nothing, your uniform means nothing, you do not enforce the law.

00:44:12.000 When you get social order breakdown at this level with Merrick Garland, you're right.

00:44:18.000 He's the highest enforcer of law in the land and even he breaks the law because there is no law anymore.

00:44:23.000 Simply, they arrest who they want to arrest.

00:44:25.000 They drag Trump, the frontrunner, into numerous courts.

00:44:28.000 They change the statute of limitations on laws.

00:44:31.000 They actually make new laws so they can sue him for whatever they want.

00:44:34.000 The message is clear.

00:44:35.000 The Democratic Party has done everything in their power to show the American people the law does not apply.

00:44:40.000 It hasn't for the past 10 years and it will not in the future.

00:44:43.000 What we need now is accountability and a show of force for Republicans to say the rule of law will be maintained and inherent contempt is that path.

00:44:51.000 So I'm still kind of, if we're going back to Merrick Garland in Oklahoma City, we can also talk through Eric Holder in Fast and Furious.

00:45:00.000 And I was around during all of that.

00:45:03.000 And what that story is really all about, we're actually starting to find out about now.

00:45:08.000 This was the issue for which Eric Holder was held in contempt.

00:45:12.000 And the real story was a deal between the federal government and the Sinaloa cartel.

00:45:19.000 There are pieces of that that have been made known.

00:45:22.000 And a number of the recent indictments that have come down just in the last couple of weeks are kind of showing the other sides of that.

00:45:30.000 One of them is the use of Chinese financial infrastructure to launder money for the Sinaloa cartel.

00:45:36.000 And then another one that is becoming evident is that the Sinaloa cartel was availing themselves of Israeli technology.

00:45:43.000 And so the role of Israel behaving in totally unconstitutional ways and illegal ways, the accountability is starting to happen for that. 0.82

00:45:56.000 And if we talk about the legal absurdities of the war on terror, which motivate, I kind of get the sense, your politics and to a great extent mine, These legal absurdities, these, you know, going and doing things that we shouldn't be doing, a lot of that has to do with Israel. 0.74

00:46:14.000 And now we're finally getting some accountability for that.

00:46:16.000 And I think that's actually a good thing.

00:46:18.000 Like, the accountability is coming.

00:46:20.000 A number of Israeli spies have been indicted, including Gal Luft, who was supposed to be at the center of the Republican impeachment effort last year.

00:46:27.000 I mean, this is the entire Hunter Biden laptop affair seems like it was more or less managed by Israeli spies.

00:46:35.000 I am all for legal accountability when it comes to this sort of thing.

00:46:42.000 And we could talk a little bit more about why that's a crisis.

00:46:44.000 You made the electricity upset.

00:46:46.000 Assad does not approve.

00:46:48.000 That's their warning. They're like, flicker is power.

00:46:50.000 And we could talk a little bit more about why that's a crisis.

00:46:54.000 I mean, I'm prepared to talk about it more moderately than some of the people you spar with on Twitter.

00:46:59.000 Let's actually move on because, you know, 40 minutes is probably enough for the audience at home.

00:47:03.000 But we do have other stories to talk about.

00:47:05.000 We do have this one.

00:47:07.000 CNN has unveiled how their microphone muting is going to work.

00:47:11.000 Dominic Michael Trippi says, CNN is 100% rigging this debate.

00:47:15.000 Here's how the ridiculous microphone setup will work. 0.95

00:47:18.000 Check this out.

00:47:19.000 If we go behind the podiums, you can see two green lights.

00:47:23.000 When they're on, they signal to the candidate, his microphone is on.

00:47:26.000 When the green lights are off, they signal to the candidate his microphone is off.

00:47:31.000 Now I want to give you a sense of what it will look like for viewers at home if a candidate whose microphone is off interrupts a candidate whose microphone is on.

00:47:38.000 So I'm standing at one podium, and I'll ask Phil to come in and take the other podium.

00:47:42.000 And so let's say I'm answering a question.

00:47:44.000 My light is green and I'm speaking.

00:47:47.000 Phil's microphone is off and his green lights are not illuminated.

00:47:51.000 He's going to interrupt me as I'm speaking and this is what it will sound like.

00:47:55.000 My volume remains constant while Phil's interruption can be difficult to understand.

00:48:00.000 Let's try the opposite.

00:48:01.000 My microphone is now off.

00:48:03.000 Victor's microphone is off.

00:48:04.000 It's like for kindergartners, I guess.

00:48:06.000 Very much.

00:48:07.000 My volume remains constant, while Victor's interruption can be difficult to understand.

00:48:11.000 Asena's production team has shared this demonstration with the campaigns earlier today, and we're sharing it with you.

00:48:17.000 Our viewers so everyone fully understands how tomorrow night will work.

00:48:21.000 Now we should note by agreeing to participate in this debate both campaigns and candidates have also agreed to abide by these rules.

00:48:29.000 The CNN presidential debate airs live tomorrow night at 9 p.m.

00:48:33.000 Eastern.

00:48:33.000 I don't think this matters.

00:48:34.000 I actually think it's going to be moderately tame.

00:48:37.000 I think Trump is going to be in line.

00:48:39.000 We saw the debate in 2020.

00:48:40.000 It's not going to be like 2016 when he was saying you'd be in jail and all that stuff, funny stuff.

00:48:46.000 It may be, may be.

00:48:48.000 But I also think that you see how close they are to each other in this video?

00:48:52.000 Trump can yell.

00:48:53.000 It doesn't matter if we can hear Trump or not.

00:48:55.000 Biden can.

00:48:56.000 And it is very difficult to talk when someone's yelling at you or talking over you.

00:49:02.000 And I also think they're both hot tempered to a certain extent.

00:49:02.000 And that's all that matters.

00:49:07.000 Definitely there are reports of Biden being pretty hot tempered.

00:49:09.000 So even being able to hear someone saying stuff off camera will be distracting and potentially sway any sort of coaching that he's had if he's thinking he's going to spar with Donald Trump directly.

00:49:20.000 And, you know, if we're talking about his mental acuity, if he's easily confused, having someone talk to you while you're trying to make a point is not going to help.

00:49:27.000 You realize.

00:49:29.000 The power this gives Trump.

00:49:31.000 It's the guy whose bloodstream is entirely Adderall and adrenaline versus the guy whose bloodstream is entirely McDouble cheeseburgers from McDonald's.

00:49:39.000 That's kind of what we're looking at, I guess.

00:49:41.000 I'm a Diet Co.

00:49:43.000 How could you say that?

00:49:45.000 Just check this out.

00:49:47.000 Donald Trump hit the podium and he's saying, look, we're going to have a very great immigration policy.

00:49:51.000 It's going to be the best we've ever seen.

00:49:53.000 And then and I'll tell you, and then he cut his mic off.

00:49:55.000 And then as soon as you see the green lights goes off, he looks over, he goes, Biden, your mother.

00:50:01.000 No one will have heard him say it, and Biden will go, and Trump will just go, whoa, that was, what, what, what?

00:50:10.000 Cutting off the microphone of Trump doesn't hurt him.

00:50:14.000 It allows him to say things the American people will not hear that will trigger Joe Biden.

00:50:18.000 It's the, you'd be in jail, but now it's just going to be in Joe Biden's ear.

00:50:21.000 Like we all enjoy the side remarks.

00:50:23.000 On the other hand, it's just going to be Joe Biden and the moderator is getting more and more deranged and irritated.

00:50:27.000 What if they cut off Trump's mic and he just starts going, I'm coming for you, Joe.

00:50:31.000 I'm going to do the most disruptive.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:35.000 Like, how's Hunter doing?

00:50:36.000 How's Hunter?

00:50:37.000 Is Hunter OK?

00:50:38.000 Like, he's just going to provoke him in these ways that get really under his skin.

00:50:39.000 I mean, you don't know that he will do this, but these are options that are good.

00:50:41.000 I just wanted to say that it was great that you're talking to your granddaughter now.

00:50:45.000 Trump should do this because nobody will hear him.

00:50:49.000 And Biden does not have the mental capacity to handle these kinds of emotional attacks.

00:50:55.000 One of the things about people who are suffering from Alzheimer's or dementia, we assume Biden is in deep, deep senility, is they have a harder time controlling their emotions.

00:51:06.000 If Donald Trump says something like, You know, maybe Biden's in the middle of an answer and then he says something like, Donald Trump convicted felon, and then Trump says audibly to him, and you are the worst father this country has seen. 0.99

00:51:18.000 You're a disgrace. 1.00

00:51:19.000 Shame on you. 1.00

00:51:20.000 Shame on you. 0.98

00:51:20.000 Your son's dead. 0.98

00:51:22.000 Yeah, I think pretty much pretty much everybody on the Biden campaign is probably dreading this moment that it seems like Trump, you know, is very, very quick on the draw and it's just everybody's expecting him to eviscerate Uncle Joe.

00:51:36.000 Well, that's also one of the things that I think works in the Biden campaign's favor, right?

00:51:40.000 I mean, the fact that we're all trying to figure out if Joe Biden can even make it through this tells us that the expectations for him are much lower than they are for Trump.

00:51:47.000 And again, I think, you know, I've said this a couple of times, but I think the best thing Trump could do is to push Joe Biden to answer directly on his records.

00:51:55.000 Are you audibly gasping over there?

00:51:57.000 No, no.

00:51:58.000 Phil thinks I'm boring tonight.

00:51:59.000 I'm sorry.

00:52:00.000 Every night.

00:52:00.000 I'm doing the best I can.

00:52:04.000 Look, if you throw meatballs up, I'm going to hit them, all right? 0.71

00:52:06.000 You're off the tour.

00:52:07.000 Anyways, I think ultimately the function of the debate is to see these two clash.

00:52:12.000 It's like the long awaited rematch between two fighters.

00:52:14.000 People really want to see what's going to happen and what the time in between has done.

00:52:19.000 And I think really the last four years have been marked by the fact that Biden seems to be less with it.

00:52:26.000 And he has a terrible economy and the border crisis is undeniable.

00:52:29.000 In fact, it is so undeniable is one of the major issues in this campaign.

00:52:32.000 Immigration is something people used to stay away from.

00:52:35.000 And now it's front and center.

00:52:36.000 I think it's it's going to be obvious that Biden can't defend his record.

00:52:40.000 And it's really the emotional aspect of the debate that his campaign is trying to manage.

00:52:46.000 Tomorrow's going to be wild.

00:52:47.000 I mean, this is history.

00:52:48.000 It's a historical debate.

00:52:49.000 It's outside of the Commission on Presidential Debates.

00:52:52.000 It's the first time, as my understanding, that a president has debated his predecessor in an effort to win, for both of them to win the presidency.

00:53:01.000 We've never had this happen before. 0.99

00:53:03.000 And Joe Biden is an 81-year-old bumbling dotard. 0.99

00:53:07.000 And Donald Trump is a reality TV real estate mogul who eats fast food religiously. 1.00

00:53:13.000 I mean, this is Big Mac King.

00:53:14.000 Big Mac.

00:53:15.000 Wow.

00:53:16.000 I mean, like, everybody who knows Trump knows he's a fast food guy.

00:53:20.000 It's like you were saying, his blood is Big Macs and Diet Coke.

00:53:25.000 And Joe Biden, you said Adderall.

00:53:27.000 Oh, they got him on everything.

00:53:28.000 I bet he gets stem cells.

00:53:29.000 I bet he gets NAD+.

00:53:31.000 What was the Myers protocol or whatever?

00:53:34.000 It's a vitamin drip.

00:53:36.000 They're just like tons of b12.

00:53:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:39.000 Sure.

00:53:39.000 For sure.

00:53:40.000 I bet he's got a blood boy.

00:53:41.000 It's funny how many people actually like assume this like I was talking to like I said, I was talking to Connor from counterpoints earlier today and and he was like, oh, yeah, he's gonna have about an hour of whatever where he's gonna be all hopped up blah blah blah and then after that it's gonna be all downhill.

00:53:54.000 I feel like that's essentially what's assumed about the guy.

00:53:59.000 And you know, you know, it'd be really hilarious if just like halfway through the debate, you see Biden just with something in his leg and then he goes, his pupils dilate and he's like, all right, let's go.

00:54:10.000 Hypothetically, they're not allowed to bring props on stage.

00:54:14.000 An EpiPen is not a prop.

00:54:15.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:16.000 For his abs.

00:54:16.000 That's actually working.

00:54:18.000 No, I mean, the other thing that I found really interesting is that they can't interact with their campaign staff in the commercial breaks.

00:54:24.000 90 minutes, two commercial breaks, and they both just have to, what, stand there?

00:54:28.000 Well, one thing that makes that interesting is that Joe Biden and President Trump, President Biden and President Trump, I should have the same standard for both.

00:54:38.000 They both have better instincts than the people around them.

00:54:43.000 I think that's basically true.

00:54:44.000 I mean, Joe Biden, you can say that he's somewhat calculating and amoral, but the guy knows about power.

00:54:51.000 He knows how it works and he knows what's going to help him win.

00:54:55.000 His abilities seem to be in decline.

00:54:57.000 But one of the things that frustrates me a whole lot about this moment is each side is not really hitting the other in a way that really works.

00:55:06.000 If Joe Biden wanted to hit President Trump in a way that worked, I would hit him by saying that President Trump doesn't actually want to solve immigration.

00:55:17.000 And the reason for that is, you know, if you look at the technologies at play here, if you look at all of the kind of absurd backbiting of his first term to consolidate the restrictionist kind of sensibility behind Stephen Miller, like all of that, I mean, Stephen Miller was famous for sandbagging other restrictionists in the executive branch.

00:55:36.000 And so, you know, Trump letting that go on is to me a sign that he doesn't actually want to solve the problem.

00:55:43.000 And likewise, if Trump wants to hit Biden in a way that hurts, Republicans are not willing to say and really hit Biden hard, hit the Democrats hard where they're really failing, which is that Joe Biden is failing to rein in the Netanyahu regime or the Netanyahu crime syndicate, if you prefer.

00:56:01.000 It is Joe Biden's biggest failure.

00:56:03.000 While our bombs rain down on Gaza, Republicans are silent and they're not

00:56:08.000 hitting the opposition in the way that they ought to be.

00:56:11.000 It's too esoteric for the average person watching CNN.

00:56:13.000 Dead babies aren't esoteric.

00:56:16.000 These issues are absolutely too esoteric for the average person.

00:56:19.000 I don't think that's true at all.

00:56:21.000 You look at polling, what are the two biggest issues Gallup's got right now?

00:56:24.000 I mean, the polling shows that America's general pro-Israel sensibility has declined by a notable

00:56:31.000 That doesn't even measure anywhere on the top charts of what matters most to Americans.

00:56:37.000 People care about ethnic cleansings. 1.00

00:56:39.000 People care about that, but when you ask the average person, list your priorities, they don't mention Israel.

00:56:44.000 Well, I think in a lot of cases they aren't allowed to know what's really going on.

00:56:47.000 That still doesn't affect anything that my point was.

00:56:50.000 I said this is too esoteric for the average person.

00:56:53.000 We're paying for an ethnic cleansing isn't esoteric. 0.71

00:56:58.000 It literally is.

00:57:01.000 You just saying it's not esoteric does not change the fact that the average person has no idea what you're talking about.

00:57:05.000 We just had a half an hour discussion about an obscure constitutional maneuver.

00:57:09.000 Absolutely esoteric, 100%.

00:57:12.000 We are not at a presidential debate talking about how to sway middle-of-the-road voters who don't know the record for Biden or Trump.

00:57:17.000 I mean, this is the biggest albatross around Biden's neck.

00:57:20.000 It's causing enormous fissures in the Democratic coalition.

00:57:24.000 The way to exploit them is to say that Biden is too weak.

00:57:29.000 That's the absolute standard attack line of an opposition party.

00:57:33.000 You say that the guy in power is weak.

00:57:35.000 That's not esoteric.

00:57:36.000 It's not esoteric.

00:57:38.000 Saying something simple and generic and lowest common denominator, this guy's too weak. 0.99

00:57:42.000 Look at him, he's a weak old man. 0.94

00:57:43.000 He's weak on the Netanyahu regime. 0.86

00:57:45.000 That's getting too complicated for the average person.

00:57:46.000 I think that's nonsense.

00:57:47.000 They can't even point to where Israel is on the map.

00:57:49.000 They can't even point to where Ukraine is on the map.

00:57:51.000 Well, these evangelicals sure love it a whole lot.

00:57:53.000 You're talking about a minority population.

00:57:54.000 You ask the average person where Iraq and Afghanistan is, they can't find it on a map.

00:58:01.000 And the funny thing is, most of them don't even know.

00:58:03.000 The average person who can even tell you about the slight nuances of Iraq and Afghanistan won't even be able to tell you that, in fact, Iran's right in the middle.

00:58:11.000 I mean, that's fairly obvious to anybody who paid attention to the Bush years about what we were doing with our military bases.

00:58:16.000 This stuff is over the head of the average person. 1.00

00:58:19.000 I respect your point of view that we stand for the people, but they're dumb as shit. 1.00

00:58:24.000 I really love that. 1.00

00:58:25.000 As a sort of an elitist guy, I kind of agree with that.

00:58:29.000 Saying something that's esoteric is quite literally the opposite of you demeaning and insulting them. 1.00

00:58:33.000 Me saying, if you're trying to speak to the average person, you have to meet them where they are, is very different from you saying, haha, you think they're all dumb as shit. 0.99

00:58:40.000 Well, I think they're smart enough to know what their tax dollars are going to. 1.00

00:58:43.000 Yeah, most of them don't.

00:58:46.000 Smart enough and having knowledge are two completely different things.

00:58:49.000 And you clearly are a very elitist individual who is very concerned about Israel and thinks the average person lives in the same world you do.

00:58:56.000 Do you think the average person wants their tax dollars being spent on bombs that kill children?

00:59:00.000 Absolutely not.

00:59:01.000 And you know what?

00:59:02.000 The issue there is not, hey, Israel, Netanyahu, and Gaza, because they're going to go, I don't know where that is.

00:59:07.000 But the issue is, we shouldn't spend money on foreign war.

00:59:10.000 And they'll go, that I understand.

00:59:11.000 I think this is just you not being willing to talk about Israel.

00:59:14.000 No, I think you are obsessed.

00:59:17.000 And if you look at any of the polling and the top issues, Israel doesn't register.

00:59:21.000 But you live in a world where you think it does, and you're refusing to accept that.

00:59:24.000 You think this I refer to as Israel derangement syndrome.

00:59:27.000 I don't think it's... Look, My point of view on this is actually quite moderate, but I do think that it matters.

00:59:34.000 No one ever said it didn't.

00:59:35.000 We need to rein in Israel for the benefit of Israel. 1.00

00:59:39.000 I think we should stop spending money on all the foreign wars and stop funding all these foreign enterprises.

00:59:42.000 It's not even that simple.

00:59:45.000 Israel has been, even before October 7th, was going through a constitutional crisis.

00:59:50.000 I don't care about Israel at all. 0.91

00:59:52.000 Like, you bringing up Israel's constitution is like saying the marshmallow man from My Little Pony turned blue.

00:59:58.000 I don't care.

00:59:58.000 Well, look, there are several hundred thousand people in Israel who vote in American elections, and some of them in rather important states that are often very close.

01:00:05.000 I mean, it matters.

01:00:06.000 They're American citizens.

01:00:07.000 Sure.

01:00:08.000 But if I were an American citizen who lived in the West Bank, what would be the number one issue you voted on?

01:00:14.000 Your security.

01:00:15.000 I think that's normal.

01:00:16.000 How many Canadian dual citizens are there?

01:00:18.000 And how many of them are influencing our politics, particularly in Hollywood?

01:00:22.000 Isn't Seth Rogen a Canadian?

01:00:24.000 I'm Canadian.

01:00:25.000 I'm a dual citizen.

01:00:26.000 Hey, uh oh, we got a problem here.

01:00:27.000 We got dual citizens here.

01:00:28.000 What happens if you're in Connecticut?

01:00:29.000 I think the real issue with the Israel-Palestine thing, for the debate at least, is yes, that

01:00:34.000 people are unwilling to talk about it as an issue and also that it has become a major

01:00:41.000 issue for young activists in America.

01:00:43.000 Not all of them, but some of them.

01:00:45.000 I think this is the major... I actually personally think this is the reason why there's not a live audience at the debate.

01:00:49.000 Because they are too afraid that there will be protesters who are going to bring this issue up.

01:00:53.000 Trump's gonna laugh.

01:00:53.000 That's the thing.

01:00:55.000 There's no audience because they're unpredictable.

01:00:57.000 They don't know where they'll fall.

01:00:59.000 And they know at this point that this has become an issue that is siphoning voters away from Biden.

01:01:02.000 There are reasons that people voted no confidence or someone else in a primary where Joe Biden's the incumbent and no one's challenging him.

01:01:10.000 Do you think that the average American is against the idea of supporting Israel?

01:01:17.000 It's just not that simple.

01:01:19.000 I would argue that what I think should be done is pro-Israel.

01:01:22.000 So, like, what I'm trying to say is that the U.S.

01:01:25.000 has a role to play in stabilizing what's happening in Israel.

01:01:28.000 Israel, before October 7th, was going through a constitutional crisis.

01:01:31.000 In general, the country is drifting into the Chinese and Russian orbit.

01:01:35.000 If that continues, that poses risks to American Jews. 0.61

01:01:39.000 that's bad and we need to actually act to rein them in and nobody's willing to

01:01:44.000 say that right now and this it's a really sinister deferral of

01:01:47.000 responsibility in general I think like a lot of these activists lefty types they

01:01:51.000 say some unfortunate things but their hearts are in the right place but the

01:01:55.000 their biggest problem is that they make it all about Zionism if I were if I were

01:02:00.000 a Jew living in Israel I would be a Zionist and like I think it's just like a perfectly normal and healthy nationalist sensibility.

01:02:08.000 They want to embark on a collective project.

01:02:10.000 But we need to just, in this moment—it's not about being pro-Israel or not, it's about how we want this relationship to be.

01:02:15.000 So what about our relationship with Saudi Arabia?

01:02:18.000 I think that there's an even better case for cutting ties there.

01:02:22.000 So, do you think the American people care more about Israel or Saudi Arabia?

01:02:26.000 Definitely Israel. 0.96

01:02:27.000 Why Israel? 0.84

01:02:29.000 All sorts of bonds of affection.

01:02:32.000 The fact that our technological infrastructure is intertwined in all these ways.

01:02:38.000 I understand.

01:02:38.000 I agree with you on that.

01:02:40.000 There are Israeli dual citizens, less so with Saudis.

01:02:44.000 But I mean, as it pertains to the domestic policy of the United States with foreign spending and foreign interference and foreign treaties, which issue do you think affects the American people more and they'd be more interested to hear about?

01:02:59.000 Israel or Saudi Arabia?

01:03:00.000 Definitely Israel. 0.96

01:03:01.000 Why?

01:03:02.000 Because of the...

01:03:05.000 I mean, I think a lot of evangelicals care quite a bit about Israel for all sorts of

01:03:11.000 strange, and I would argue...

01:03:13.000 Yeah, it's really bad.

01:03:14.000 Wow.

01:03:15.000 I love the power of this word.

01:03:16.000 ... rather heretical theological reasons.

01:03:20.000 And then also Jews for, you know, sort of ethnocentric reasons.

01:03:24.000 How many people is that?

01:03:26.000 Between evangelicals and the Jews? 1.00

01:03:28.000 Many tens of millions.

01:03:30.000 Tens of millions in the United States?

01:03:31.000 Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of evangelicals.

01:03:34.000 And I think, you know, evangelicals, their problem is that they just don't think about this in a sophisticated enough way.

01:03:40.000 Like, what needs to happen is, even to preserve a U.S.-Israel relationship, we need to act to rein them in. 0.99

01:03:46.000 There are people in the streets every day protesting Netanyahu's government.

01:03:49.000 There are hundreds of thousands of them.

01:03:51.000 So you said that you think that because we're not reining them in, that's pushing Israel into China and Russia's orbit? 0.87

01:03:58.000 That's right.

01:03:59.000 Can you expand on that?

01:03:59.000 The Israeli right has a number of huge Russia problems.

01:04:03.000 A lot of Russian Jews are involved on the Israeli right.

01:04:07.000 And then in 2017, Benjamin Netanyahu said, Israel makes the perfect junior partner to China.

01:04:13.000 Now, think that through a little bit.

01:04:15.000 I mean, if Israel becomes essentially a client state of China, every Zionist in the United States becomes a security risk. 0.91

01:04:22.000 That is an eventuality that we should do almost anything to avoid, because that's the moment things actually do become dangerous for Jews. 0.84

01:04:30.000 When being anti-Israel or anti-Zionist becomes coterminous with being anti-China, that's when things get dangerous.

01:04:36.000 And my argument is that we need to act right now to prevent that from happening. 0.96

01:04:40.000 And also, Netanyahu is a criminal.

01:04:43.000 What policy or prescription do you think the United States should do to prevent that?

01:04:47.000 I think the Israel lobby should be subject to the Foreign Agents Registration Act, a number of the key organizations.

01:04:52.000 In general, Israel flouts foreign influence laws more than any other.

01:04:58.000 How does that deter China?

01:05:00.000 Because it forces them to be more of a vassal of the United States.

01:05:03.000 So I want to explain, this is why I call it Israel Derangement Syndrome.

01:05:06.000 So I don't care for anyone's particular ideology, their pet peeves or personal issues that they think are the most important.

01:05:15.000 I care about what can we look in aggregate data.

01:05:18.000 I don't think it's fair, shout out to David Pakman, when he makes a video saying Trump is, his disapproval rating skyrockets and he finds a singular poll to back up his ideas.

01:05:27.000 At the same time he made that video at the time, I made a video where I said Trump's approval rating is better than ever based on aggregate polling, where we try to assess as much information as possible and find that data.

01:05:36.000 When you go to Gallup, which is numerous months where they've been tracking this, there are many, many issues that outweigh.

01:05:44.000 In fact, Israel isn't even a single issue on the chart.

01:05:47.000 Did they poll on it?

01:05:48.000 They did, and it bundled up with Middle Eastern war.

01:05:51.000 In fact, the federal deficit rates higher among the interests of the American people than Middle Eastern conflict does, at 5%.

01:06:01.000 We can take a look at the cost of living and the economy in general at 12%.

01:06:04.000 That's true until there's a Middle Eastern conflict.

01:06:06.000 And there is.

01:06:07.000 And so you have government poor leadership in the current month at 21%, immigration at 18%, poverty at 6%, abortion at 4%, elections at 4%, unifying the country at 4%, ethics, more religious family decline at 3%, foreign policy at 3%.

01:06:20.000 Maybe we can add foreign policy and war in the Middle East and make that 6%? 0.79

01:06:25.000 And still, immigration and economics dramatically outweigh that as an issue.

01:06:29.000 Going back to the main point.

01:06:30.000 If Donald Trump wants to actually win over voters, the issues he should focus on are going to be immigration and the economy, and particularly the number one issue, Biden's failing mental acuity, which is currently number one, and actually was number one five months ago.

01:06:44.000 But immigration was number one for three months in April, March, and February, according to Gallup.

01:06:50.000 Gallup may be wrong as a single point of data, but using this source, these are the issues that people generally care about.

01:06:57.000 Typically, the other polling we've seen didn't list government poor leadership at number one, which is why this one was surprising to me.

01:07:04.000 Immigration tends to be the number one issue, because immigration ties to everything else, but Israel isn't even on the map.

01:07:10.000 I mean, the fact is, if immigration is going to be handled by Anduril and Stephen Miller and these sorts of people, it's not going to be fixed.

01:07:18.000 Well, that's not the conversation we're having.

01:07:20.000 Something else needs to happen if Trump is going to be credible.

01:07:23.000 So if we're talking about, at the debate, what can Biden say?

01:07:26.000 What can Trump say?

01:07:28.000 It has nothing to do with that conversation about who's going to be running it.

01:07:31.000 The question is, what will Trump or Biden say that will win over voters?

01:07:36.000 The big weakness Biden has right now is that, according to Gallup, one of the biggest concerns, the biggest concern right now is poor leadership in government.

01:07:44.000 And that is something Trump can easily attack on.

01:07:48.000 If Trump gets ultra-specific on – you know, the reason I ask about Saudi Arabia is that over 100,000 people have been killed in Yemen in the past, I think, what, five years?

01:07:56.000 Yep.

01:07:57.000 And that never comes up.

01:07:58.000 Saudi Arabia recently – the petrodollar deal, the 50-year deal, expired.

01:08:03.000 That's over and they're not re-upping, so now they're starting to do deals in rubles and won.

01:08:07.000 That never comes up.

01:08:09.000 That is a bigger threat to the American economy and the American people than anything pertaining to Israel. 0.99

01:08:15.000 That's why I mentioned that.

01:08:16.000 And still, I will say this.

01:08:18.000 If Donald Trump on the debate stage says, under Joe Biden's watch, the Saudi petrodollar deal has ended without an extension or a plan, the American people are going to say, I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:08:31.000 It doesn't matter to me and it will win over no voters, despite being probably the most important issue affecting the U.S.

01:08:36.000 outside of perhaps escalation into World War III with Russia.

01:08:39.000 Like, if we're talking about what's going to happen to this country, you've got a handful of things that really matter.

01:08:44.000 The petrodollar deal expiring with Saudi Arabia means China's going to start buying and selling oil in Chinese currency, and the U.S.

01:08:51.000 doesn't manufacture enough to bolster its economy outside of producing dollars in the Federal Reserve.

01:08:56.000 Without that deal, Saudi Arabia can dump oil into the market, undercutting the U.S.

01:08:59.000 and destroying our economy, which is why we used to beg Saudi Arabia not to pump oil, and then Saudi Arabia, getting mad at the U.S.

01:09:06.000 administration, whichever it may be, would be like, we're going to pump some oil into the global market, and it's going to screw over your numbers. 0.57

01:09:13.000 That matters dramatically because we're talking about mass inflation, standard of living dropping dramatically because the whole system of petrodollar economics in the United States is built on U.S.

01:09:23.000 military power.

01:09:25.000 Without that deal with Saudi Arabia, and it's not the only thing that matters, but it's one of the most important, our economy is undercut. 0.77

01:09:31.000 Then you can look at immigration, then you can look at civil disorder and social decay at the government level and these various issues.

01:09:39.000 These things matter the most, but are so far, they are so esoteric, and so in the weeds, the average person is going to be completely lost if you try to bring it up to them.

01:09:49.000 Yeah, I suppose so.

01:09:51.000 Letting the petrodollar agreement expire is probably desired by somebody if you favor like a green energy transition.

01:10:03.000 It is true that an oil-based economic system is underwritten by American military power.

01:10:10.000 It would also be true that a green energy-based economic system would be underwritten by American military power.

01:10:16.000 You're just talking about metals instead of Um, instead of fossil fuels.

01:10:22.000 I mean, it's still necessary to get the metals to produce a battery.

01:10:26.000 This is, you know, letting that expire is probably part of like a long- Well, where do we get those metals?

01:10:31.000 They come from all over, but- Like Greenland. 0.59

01:10:33.000 Africa's quite important.

01:10:34.000 And Afghanistan.

01:10:37.000 Yeah.

01:10:38.000 Lithium.

01:10:39.000 Yeah, Africa's probably more important, but yeah.

01:10:42.000 And who is developing in Africa?

01:10:44.000 Well, China.

01:10:44.000 Everyone is.

01:10:46.000 China's the dominant force investing.

01:10:48.000 And there's a really funny meme, actually, where, I don't know if it's a real conversation, but it's presenting the idea, where an African guy said, whenever the British come here, they give us lectures.

01:11:01.000 And whenever China comes here, they give us roads and money.

01:11:03.000 And then the guy responds with, what do you think is attached to those roads and money?

01:11:07.000 And they go, oh, here we go with the lecture again.

01:11:10.000 I mean, yeah.

01:11:10.000 Right.

01:11:10.000 They don't care.

01:11:12.000 It will serve China's interests if China builds them roads and hospitals and wells. 0.69

01:11:16.000 It's all debt-based development.

01:11:17.000 Absolutely.

01:11:19.000 And so what that will lead to in the long run is a government burdened by that amount of debt will eventually fall.

01:11:26.000 And that might even be a good thing for American interests.

01:11:30.000 It won't fall if it's backed up by military hegemony.

01:11:33.000 That's the American model right now, and it's starting to fail.

01:11:38.000 The U.S.

01:11:39.000 is not going to defend a government that's falling because it's overloaded with Chinese debt.

01:11:48.000 Quite the opposite.

01:11:49.000 We'll encourage that.

01:11:50.000 If in the end of this economic shift we're seeing between the US and China, China wins. 0.86

01:11:57.000 China's debt's meaningless.

01:11:58.000 Ain't nobody gonna enforce the debt against China when China's in control of global military power.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, I mean, I think attempts will be made to take those mines away from them before that happens. 0.75

01:12:08.000 To take the countries away from China? 0.89

01:12:11.000 Yeah.

01:12:12.000 Right now.

01:12:12.000 I mean, Africa is a battlefield and it will continue to be so.

01:12:15.000 South America is, too.

01:12:16.000 And China is expanding rapidly.

01:12:19.000 The Nicaraguan Canal was a huge story ten years ago.

01:12:21.000 China abandoned that, however, but they were going to destroy a massive aquifer, a major water source in Nicaragua, just to compete with the Panama Canal.

01:12:31.000 And then they ended up banning the project.

01:12:33.000 Like, we're at a serious... Maybe it's true always that there's always a major turning point in global politics, but right now it's a precipice, especially with Russia, Ukraine, and Yemen, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and all of these things.

01:12:46.000 The shape of the world in the next 10 years could be dramatically different from what anyone alive today has ever experienced or would expect to actually happen.

01:12:56.000 And the scary thing about it is, gradually then suddenly, We're all sitting here thinking, you know, we can order our MacBooks from China off cheap labor for $1,000.

01:13:05.000 But if the petrodollar system collapses, that laptop is going to cost you $10,000.

01:13:11.000 They'll bring manufacturing back, but you'll get a dark period for 10-20 years before they can reset the economy.

01:13:17.000 I think that's what Trump's vision was with securing our borders and bringing manufacturing back to the U.S.

01:13:22.000 Get a jumpstart on it now before it's too late.

01:13:24.000 Let's do this, though.

01:13:25.000 Let's jump to the story.

01:13:25.000 This one you'll like.

01:13:27.000 The Postmillennial!

01:13:29.000 New York Times blames pro-Israel money for Jamal Bowman's loss, then abruptly changes headline.

01:13:35.000 We also have AOC taking aim at AIPAC after Bowman's loss.

01:13:40.000 It's big news!

01:13:41.000 The group, which has historically funded more Republicans than Democrats and rarely spent on Democratic primaries, spent at least $14.5 million against Bowman.

01:13:51.000 This is about $20 million in big money being spent in a historic sum unlike any seen in American history point-blank period, AOC told reporters from the Capitol on Wednesday.

01:14:02.000 I think we need to have a real conversation about AIPAC.

01:14:05.000 I think that we do need to have a real conversation about...

01:14:10.000 is a Republican, primarily Republican, and largely Republican-financed organization,

01:14:14.000 playing and dumping money and playing an extremely divisive role in the Democratic Party.

01:14:19.000 So right now, there are a lot of people on the right who are defending Bowman, having lost,

01:14:26.000 because AIPAC spent a—I believe it's a record amount of money in a congressional race.

01:14:31.000 And I think they probably didn't need to.

01:14:35.000 The story with Bowman is that he was redistricted, and Bowman is the sort of guy who's going to do great in the Bronx, but he's not going to do so great in Scarsdale.

01:14:43.000 And so, you know, AIPAC is important, but there's clearly more to the story here.

01:14:50.000 I think that, you know, it's not quite as simple as it's just AIPAC, but in general AIPAC, it is true that AIPAC is a powerful lobby group.

01:14:59.000 They're one of them.

01:15:00.000 I think they're probably up there with, you know, most powerful.

01:15:03.000 They're powerful.

01:15:03.000 I don't think anyone denies that.

01:15:06.000 Yeah, this story has always been really interesting to me because the redistricting aspect, but also, you know, a lot of the media is talking about it like the more progressive candidate, Bowman, lost to a more moderate Democrat.

01:15:20.000 And people might not think that label totally fits, but it does seem like it's reflective of a conversation that's being held within the Democratic Party about the influences that are That are impacting their races, as opposed to a typical race that we think of where it's Republican versus Democrat.

01:15:39.000 Because this is a primary, it's more of a chance for Democrats to evaluate where the money is coming from and what values they are looking to elect to Congress.

01:15:51.000 Yeah, and Latimer hardly seems like, you know, the sort of... If I were a young person, he's not exactly somebody I would be enthusiastic about voting for.

01:16:01.000 I mean, he looks like one of those fancy Japanese goldfish with the googly eyes.

01:16:07.000 I'm trying to look up the spending from AIPAC on Open Secrets and it doesn't come up.

01:16:12.000 I mean, I don't get the sense that—so I wasn't aware of the redistricting with Bowman, but I kind of get the sense that a lot of his problem was that he didn't go door-to-door in Westchester.

01:16:24.000 Like, he wasn't going up to try and His district always had part of Westchester, from what I understand.

01:16:29.000 Yeah, there's a really toxic thing about some of these sort of celebrity Democrats, is that the star power is going to carry them through.

01:16:36.000 And I think that's, you know, maybe a little hubris there.

01:16:40.000 He specifically said that he, you know, he made, he gave, he was giving thanks to Dearborn, which is clearly because of the progressives in Dearborn, the attitude in Dearborn about the Situation in Gaza and Israel.

01:16:58.000 And I think that the Jewish population of Westchester just wasn't having it.

01:17:03.000 And then you throw that on top of it where he is, you know, he's got the brain of a shoe because everyone knew that the pulling of the fire alarm was, you know, he did it.

01:17:13.000 There was no covering that up.

01:17:15.000 So I think that I got the sense that it was a combination of he embarrassed the Democrats and he had the issue with the population of Westchester.

01:17:25.000 I don't know that the redistricting had as big a significance as anyone else.

01:17:32.000 If you want to go ahead and enlighten me, I'd be welcome to hear it.

01:17:36.000 His district now contains, it's a lot more kind of northerly focused.

01:17:42.000 That's basically it.

01:17:43.000 And the new map dropped like not all that long ago.

01:17:46.000 I mean, the thought is that he lost a section of the Bronx that he had had before, which means that he lost a certain amount of support there.

01:17:51.000 Especially if you're saying, you know, he irritated people if there's a large Jewish community in Westchester and they are now irritated with him because of his comments or anything else.

01:17:59.000 It makes him more vulnerable than just a traditional primary matchup because of the geopolitical influence on American politics this year.

01:18:06.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:18:10.000 So I guess nobody cares about APEC. I mean from my perspective, I know APEC gets a lot of attention,

01:18:15.000 but if you look at the race, you know, just a handful of races. So the Jamal Bowman one, yes,

01:18:20.000 Jamal Bowman lost and APEC spent money. But you look at the Kentucky race with Thomas Massie,

01:18:26.000 they weren't able to unseat Thomas Massie. APEC spent money against Massie? APEC spent a lot of

01:18:30.000 money. Yeah, one point that I would make. Hold on, let me finish. He said, you know, it's like they

01:18:34.000 went after him. Now granted, some people will say he's an incumbent, and so that's why. And there's

01:18:39.000 validity to that. But still, if APEC was as powerful, the money that APEC spent, they should

01:18:43.000 be able to unseat him. Furthermore, in Texas, there was the, I forget the number of the district,

01:18:47.000 but it was the, it was Tony Gonzalez versus, um, Brennan Herrera, and Brennan Herrera lost by 400 votes against an incumbent, and the incumbent was backed by AIPAC.

01:18:57.000 So as much as people like to make remarks about AIPAC and talk about AIPAC money, I honestly don't think that AIPAC has the kind of juice that people like to see.

01:19:08.000 You know, the backing that people say.

01:19:11.000 And especially when you look at the left, they're blaming AIPAC, blaming AIPAC, and ignoring Jamal Bowen's own personal failures.

01:19:17.000 They're ignoring the redistricting.

01:19:19.000 They're ignoring the fact that he didn't get out.

01:19:20.000 And it's just an easy scapegoat.

01:19:22.000 Oh, AIPAC.

01:19:23.000 Oh, AIPAC.

01:19:23.000 And it becomes a lazy man's reason for losing, especially in an age when people like to hate on Jews and hate on Israel.

01:19:33.000 I think in general you're right that Republicans have a better record of standing up to their establishments than Democrats do.

01:19:39.000 But if I were to make kind of the case against AIPAC here, I've seen some kind of – there are a lot of really smart right-of-center guys that are kind of thinking through how to negotiate this.

01:19:49.000 I have no problem with limiting APAC's ability to affect it.

01:19:53.000 I have no problem with registering or whatever.

01:19:55.000 That's fine with me too.

01:19:56.000 It's not like I'm pro-APAC.

01:19:57.000 I just, one day.

01:19:58.000 Well, let me explain why the way that they fit into the ecosystem has been a little bit strange in the last couple of months.

01:20:06.000 It's not that AIPAC is powerful that it needs to—that it ought to, if you ask me, register.

01:20:11.000 It's that AIPAC formerly had—so, I mean, AIPAC is full of, you know, that old joke about two Jews, three opinions, right?

01:20:21.000 And so there is a lot of disagreement among donors.

01:20:24.000 And the way that they paper that over is that AIPAC has sort of made the decision that we're not going to kind of— The way we're going to present ourselves in the United States is to support what the Israeli government wants.

01:20:37.000 And it's that kind of formal papering over of the disagreements, more or less on behalf of the Israeli government, and agreeing to represent their position, that effectively, if you ask me, makes them a foreign lobby.

01:20:51.000 Even if most of the donors are not Israeli, they're American Jews. 0.54

01:20:56.000 And moreover, I would argue that that point of view, that kind of bargain, the way that they avoid airing the disagreements in public, the reason why it started to break down, and it was breaking down before October 7th, and in some ways October 7th served to consolidate a lot of American Jewish opinion.

01:21:17.000 But before that, Israel was going through a constitutional crisis.

01:21:20.000 What was happening was a lot of lawyers wanted to do in Israel what was successfully done through Fed Soc to the American judiciary.

01:21:30.000 And the problem is there are a whole lot of other checks and balances in the American

01:21:34.000 system that if you really limit judicial power, everything's probably going to be okay.

01:21:41.000 If you do it in like a highly majoritarian state of 9 million people that feels constantly

01:21:46.000 besieged, that's going to tend in a direction that's like somewhat volatile.

01:21:50.000 And so if you're going through a constitutional crisis, a constitutional crisis by definition

01:21:55.000 means we don't know who the government is.

01:21:57.000 There are fights and the different branches of government are fighting with each other.

01:22:01.000 And so, you know, from AIPAC's perspective is, what Israeli government perspective are we speaking for here?

01:22:07.000 Are we speaking for the left that's against Bibi's judicial reforms?

01:22:13.000 Are we speaking for the maximalism of the Israeli right? 0.60

01:22:17.000 And there's just, there's no way for them to kind of speak to that.

01:22:22.000 And October 7th gave the Israel lobby certainly something to rally around.

01:22:28.000 But I think the big mistake right off the bat, and now the IDF spokesmen are starting to concede it, which is that completely eliminating Hamas is probably not a realistic goal.

01:22:38.000 And moreover...

01:22:40.000 I'm sorry, getting rid of Hamas is not a realistic goal, you said?

01:22:44.000 Completely eliminating it.

01:22:46.000 And if you're... I mean, the fact is, that's what they started to say off the bat,

01:22:50.000 and now even an IDF spokesman is conceding it's probably not in the cards.

01:22:54.000 And right after October 7th, when, you know, emotions were running high,

01:22:59.000 that was a very difficult thing to say.

01:23:00.000 But, you know, this is sort of the course these things normally take.

01:23:03.000 So, you know, this is kind of, there are limitations to AIPAC's formally, you know, sort of formal

01:23:12.000 bargain to only support what the Israeli government is doing, both in terms of like, the way it

01:23:18.000 obscures what's actually possible when it comes to fighting Hamas, and because it obscures

01:23:22.000 what's actually going on in Israeli politics, which is well reported in the Israeli media.

01:23:27.000 I think that more, you know, certainly conservatives should read the Israeli newspapers.

01:23:31.000 I think for a lot of evangelicals, certainly the Israel that they love exists only in their

01:23:35.000 minds.

01:23:36.000 Shall we, we'll squeeze in one last lighter segment here, because I want to.

01:23:42.000 This is from Mediaite.

01:23:45.000 Painfully cringe anti-woke cartoon starring Dave Rubin and featuring Elon Musk deemed one of the worst things ever made.

01:23:51.000 Elon Musk is not in it.

01:23:52.000 It's a drawing of Elon Musk.

01:23:54.000 And this show called The New Norm has like 8 million views on Axe.

01:23:59.000 Everyone's sharing it because they hate it so much.

01:24:03.000 And so, we played a little bit of it last night.

01:24:06.000 But, uh, it's interesting.

01:24:07.000 I'll give you a quick glimpse of what this show is.

01:24:10.000 and you can you can you just look at what here you go what's that

01:24:24.000 Progress.

01:24:25.000 It's the new norm.

01:24:26.000 The new norm ain't the same as the old norm.

01:24:31.000 Okay, so for those that are just listening, he grabbed a beer can and it's got a rainbow on it.

01:24:35.000 That's it.

01:24:36.000 I'm the old Norm.

01:24:37.000 I want normal beer.

01:24:42.000 Okay, so he's under house arrest because he went to a school board meeting and yelled because they're indoctrinating his daughter, and then Dave Rubin is a non-binary guy.

01:24:50.000 And, you know, this brings up an interesting question around attempts at building culture, because everyone has basically said this is the worst thing they've ever seen.

01:25:03.000 But, uh, you know, I don't want to discourage people from trying.

01:25:06.000 I, you know, I have opinions on this.

01:25:08.000 So, like, as far as I'm concerned, like, if you're going to build culture, trying to build culture that caters to one political group is probably not the best idea.

01:25:18.000 Like, everybody that listens to All That Remains and pays attention to the members of the band, they all know me.

01:25:24.000 They know that I've been, you know, Partial to libertarian politics or conservative opinions and stuff.

01:25:30.000 They know that I'm not particularly conservative socially, but they have an idea, right?

01:25:34.000 But all that remains, as a band, I don't get on stage and talk about anything political.

01:25:39.000 And other people in the band have very different views.

01:25:42.000 And I think the important thing about building culture is to be able to welcome people that disagree.

01:25:47.000 That is one of the fundamental pillars of the United States, is you can disagree to Just so long as we can exist peacefully together.

01:25:54.000 We don't have to have the same opinions, we don't have to agree all the time, and I think that, as much as it's important to make places that are acceptable for right-leaning opinions, it's more important, in my opinion, to make places that are acceptable for right-wing opinions that don't exclude people that are not exclusively right-wing.

01:26:13.000 This show, it's basically just a whole bunch, and this is their, like, mini-pilot, so who knows, but it's basically just a whole bunch of Hey, here's a thing that happened.

01:26:22.000 Here's another thing that happened.

01:26:24.000 Here's another thing that happened.

01:26:25.000 And it's just like, none of it is actual jokes.

01:26:27.000 It's just showing you things that you may have seen.

01:26:29.000 And I'm like, well that's not a sitcom.

01:26:32.000 I guess it's a laugh track.

01:26:33.000 Telling you when to laugh.

01:26:34.000 But this is...

01:26:36.000 You know, I'll put it this way.

01:26:38.000 I once went to McDonald's, and I wanted to get an Oreo McFlurry.

01:26:43.000 A classic?

01:26:44.000 A classic.

01:26:45.000 And the dude who was working the McFlurry machine thought he was being real nice, And so he dumped a load of Oreos, just went nuts with it.

01:26:55.000 Like, you know, people like it with that.

01:26:56.000 I'm like, you can't eat this.

01:26:58.000 It's basically just crumbled Oreo crumbs.

01:27:00.000 Like they think by jamming as much Oreo in there.

01:27:03.000 So this whole thing is just like, remember woke stuff, woke stuff, woke stuff.

01:27:07.000 Okay.

01:27:08.000 You want to make culture.

01:27:09.000 I don't want to rag on you.

01:27:10.000 I want to support you.

01:27:12.000 Do it.

01:27:13.000 But this is an obvious mistake.

01:27:17.000 Here's my recommendation for what the show should have been.

01:27:19.000 It should have been a normal family.

01:27:21.000 It should have been a daughter in high school. 1.00

01:27:23.000 She's not woke.

01:27:24.000 The guy's not under house arrest.

01:27:26.000 The neighbor should be woke.

01:27:28.000 The neighbor should be friends with the family, should introduce weird scenarios that get the family into some hijinks, and the moral at the end is the family ultimately decides the woke thing isn't working because it's kind of weird or it causes them problems.

01:27:41.000 Then it's, our kooky, woke neighbor, what a weirdo, and you're creating culture that will be understandable and relatable by regular people, that makes wokeness look like an other, this.

01:27:55.000 Many people are calling this a PSYOP, and they're saying the intention is to show the old, stodgy man out of touch with the young people, and the young people, with establishment authority, are actually normal, and he's not.

01:28:08.000 That's why it's called the new norm.

01:28:11.000 I don't watch a lot of animated shows or anything like that so I'm not sure I'm the best person to criticize this.

01:28:17.000 I think generally I prefer art and cultural projects that are kind of more subtle, right?

01:28:25.000 I mean there is a history of political cartooning where you're kind of calling things out more directly and so maybe this is the modern version of that but generally I think that there's a level of like You want there to be room for interpretation.

01:28:37.000 You don't want people to know the joke you're making before you make it, right?

01:28:43.000 We kind of all know what the end goal is.

01:28:44.000 There's no jokes in this.

01:28:45.000 That's what I mean, though.

01:28:46.000 There's not a single joke.

01:28:47.000 Oh, your daughter's getting corrupted. 0.99

01:28:49.000 Oh, the beer has the rainbow flag on it.

01:28:50.000 There's a level of, like, I kind of know what's being said.

01:28:53.000 There's nothing creative there.

01:28:54.000 Real quick.

01:28:55.000 In the show, the dude is sitting in his chair with a beer next to him, then he is surprised by the beer that he bought and put next to him.

01:29:04.000 And then when the Dave Rubin character walks in, he's like, who's he?

01:29:09.000 And the wife is like, the judge agreed to conditional parole.

01:29:11.000 And he goes, what condition?

01:29:12.000 What do you mean what condition?

01:29:13.000 You were there.

01:29:14.000 You were in court.

01:29:14.000 What is this writing?

01:29:15.000 Yeah, the writing is something that probably is where the biggest problem is.

01:29:21.000 You essentially see this kind of stuff done properly with South Park.

01:29:26.000 And the South Park guys know.

01:29:28.000 It's like, this happened so.

01:29:29.000 Not this happened and then this happened and this happened.

01:29:32.000 It's this happened so they had to, or because of that they did this.

01:29:36.000 And that's the way your story makes sense.

01:29:38.000 But if it's just, you know, Reference a thing in woke culture.

01:29:43.000 Reference another thing in woke culture.

01:29:45.000 Reference another thing in woke culture.

01:29:46.000 You're not going to make something compelling.

01:29:47.000 You're not telling a story.

01:29:48.000 And like I said, the guys in South Park have got a lock on this to make current things and make them relatable to people that may not have the support.

01:29:56.000 I just got to point this out.

01:29:58.000 In the article it says, the show did receive some praise, however.

01:30:02.000 Bill Maher described the show as brilliant.

01:30:05.000 He was high.

01:30:05.000 According to the New Norms official website.

01:30:07.000 No, he didn't do this.

01:30:09.000 Bill Maher didn't call it brilliant.

01:30:10.000 Okay.

01:30:10.000 He didn't.

01:30:12.000 I feel bad for you.

01:30:16.000 That they are besmirching your good name.

01:30:19.000 In fact, I think... Are you confirming that Bill Maher never actually said that?

01:30:23.000 I can confirm this, yes.

01:30:24.000 You asked him?

01:30:25.000 No, I don't need to ask him because I went to the New Norms website.

01:30:29.000 Oh, I see.

01:30:30.000 It's not there.

01:30:31.000 Oh, it's there.

01:30:32.000 What does that say?

01:30:33.000 You want to read that in full, Phil?

01:30:37.000 Having a hard time there, huh?

01:30:39.000 Now you gotta get in the microphone.

01:30:41.000 Brilliant.

01:30:42.000 Bill Maher, real-time host.

01:30:44.000 Speaking of shows, creators, previous work.

01:30:49.000 Oh my goodness.

01:30:49.000 This has got to be a prank or something.

01:30:51.000 Like, this was made by some leftist who tricked Larry Elder, Dave, and... Oh my goodness.

01:30:55.000 ...and Bing in it.

01:30:57.000 Yeah.

01:30:58.000 Like, because this just makes... Oh man, I got a text from Seamus.

01:31:04.000 Seamus Coghlan the other day, and he was like, we've got to make something, dude.

01:31:07.000 This is so bad.

01:31:08.000 I'm going to come back.

01:31:09.000 He's great.

01:31:09.000 Yeah.

01:31:10.000 He's fun.

01:31:11.000 Freedom Tunes is hilarious.

01:31:11.000 It's okay, you know?

01:31:12.000 I was talking about Freedom Tunes earlier today, because I'm like, there's a... I'll give you... Here's a funny one.

01:31:19.000 That Seamus did.

01:31:20.000 They, uh, Ta-Nehisi Coates, I think the guy's name was several years ago, he's drawing a comic, and he makes the Red Skull, the Nazi character in Captain America, presenting his rules for life, and it's very clearly that they depicted Red Skull as Jordan Peterson, you know, as one and the same.

01:31:39.000 And, uh, Jordan Peterson was like, what the bloody hell?

01:31:42.000 Like, what? 0.91

01:31:42.000 Like, they're making him the Red Skull. 0.91

01:31:45.000 Sheamus says, okay, let's roll with this.

01:31:48.000 So he makes a cartoon where the Red Skull's evil plan is to get young men to clean their rooms and repair their relationships with their fathers.

01:31:55.000 And it ends with the Avengers sitting down for a lecture from the Red Skull.

01:31:58.000 Like, that's the natural conclusion.

01:32:00.000 It's funny.

01:32:01.000 He presents it in a funny way with jokes in between.

01:32:04.000 This is, you know, it breaks my heart.

01:32:06.000 I'm hoping it was a legitimate attempt at making humor or whatever.

01:32:12.000 It didn't work and, uh, it's bad.

01:32:17.000 Can we just stop trying to make Dave Rubin happen?

01:32:20.000 Dave Rubin's not happening.

01:32:21.000 I don't understand why Dave is in it.

01:32:23.000 Like, did someone reach out to him and he said, like, did, I don't know.

01:32:28.000 Cause like, I get, I get pitches all the time. 0.54

01:32:29.000 I just throw them in the garbage.

01:32:31.000 You know what I mean? 0.52

01:32:33.000 I like to give Dave the benefit of the doubt and be like, he's out there trying.

01:32:37.000 He does a lot, you know what I mean?

01:32:40.000 I'm wondering who made this, because there's no information on who made it anywhere.

01:32:44.000 The Twitter account doesn't list anybody.

01:32:46.000 They've got a bunch of CalArts graduates locked in a basement somewhere, and they're chained to a radiator, and yeah, that's probably what it is.

01:32:53.000 I will point out, however, there is one clue.

01:32:55.000 Maybe you can figure this out.

01:32:57.000 Because whoever made this... Wait.

01:32:59.000 Oh, this is the wrong website.

01:33:00.000 Whoever made this...

01:33:02.000 is followed by Dave Rubin.

01:33:04.000 See this?

01:33:04.000 Rubin Report follows you.

01:33:06.000 I suppose I could literally just ask Dave who made it.

01:33:08.000 But you know, that would that would be a lot of work to be completely honest for something I don't care that much about.

01:33:13.000 You know, criticizing the show makes me feel bad because we want people to build parallel culture and challenge this.

01:33:19.000 But a lot of people are ragging on the Daily Wire's Mr. Burcham as well for being the same thing.

01:33:24.000 I've not seen it.

01:33:25.000 Have you guys seen it?

01:33:25.000 I haven't seen it.

01:33:26.000 I've seen some pilots.

01:33:27.000 I think there's a danger in when we say we want to make a parallel culture, right?

01:33:31.000 That doesn't mean that we're copy pasting and changing the colors of the things that already exist in culture.

01:33:35.000 Like when you say you want to be like the South Park of whatever, like that doesn't mean you actually are trying to literally rip off South Park because you won't be able to, right?

01:33:46.000 It's already established.

01:33:47.000 People love it.

01:33:48.000 It has a structure that people are going for.

01:33:49.000 You have to be able to say, okay, I want to work in cartoons.

01:33:52.000 I want to work in animation, but I'm going to come up with my own thing.

01:33:55.000 And there's a way in which the parallel culture, or we need, you know, sort of an alternative conservative ecosystem, runs the risk of throwing people into bed with some unscrupulous characters.

01:34:06.000 There's the Neugebauer lawsuit that just broke a couple of days ago.

01:34:12.000 That this guy who is running this app called Glorify, which was like an anti-woke marketplace online, is now suing his previous backers, some of whom were, you know, notable Silicon Valley figures.

01:34:25.000 And what it looks like is there were a couple of these anti-woke marketplaces competing, and the one that was sort of blessed by the Silicon Valley financiers was Public Square, and that one sort of taking off.

01:34:37.000 And Glorify, by Nuka Bauer, who's sort of evangelical, is close to Texas

01:34:42.000 oil and gas. He's the one who got kind of thrown under the bus, and now he's upset and he's suing

01:34:48.000 about it. And so, you know, who runs the parallel economy? You know, these are, you know, questions

01:34:54.000 a shrewd, unwoke person ought to ask.

01:34:56.000 So someone superchatted saying, to go to the Wayback Machine, there's way more there, and I did.

01:35:02.000 And now we, I think we're, there's more information.

01:35:07.000 John Ratzenberger is the voice of the guy?

01:35:09.000 I don't know what this is.

01:35:12.000 Was this like a funding campaign?

01:35:15.000 Oh, look at this.

01:35:15.000 There's scripts available?

01:35:17.000 This is so weird.

01:35:18.000 Like, what is this?

01:35:19.000 Maybe they scrubbed it because they're embarrassed, but they got like eight or nine million views on it.

01:35:25.000 We'll do some digging.

01:35:26.000 Norm, the grumpy dad.

01:35:27.000 Janice, the mom and counselor.

01:35:28.000 Chloe, the woke wannabe.

01:35:30.000 Who is this?

01:35:31.000 Chaz, the woke warrior.

01:35:32.000 Charlie, the boss.

01:35:34.000 And Billy, the emotional support dog.

01:35:36.000 Genius!

01:35:36.000 He's not a boss anymore, though.

01:35:38.000 He got switched to being, like, the friend, it seems like.

01:35:40.000 Brilliant!

01:35:41.000 Bill Maher!

01:35:41.000 Did you see that?

01:35:42.000 They actually wrote that!

01:35:44.000 Wow, Bill Maher, they're dragging you through this one, huh?

01:35:47.000 Alright everybody, we're gonna go to Super Chats.

01:35:49.000 So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share this with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member.

01:35:55.000 If you'd like to watch the members-only call-in show coming up at 10pm.

01:35:58.000 And I'm gonna tell you this, our plans for tomorrow night.

01:36:02.000 Let me give you the update.

01:36:04.000 I've had numerous phone calls and conversations, DMs and such, with many other channels about their intentions for the show, the debate tomorrow night.

01:36:15.000 Basically, every lawyer's legal opinion is that CNN has no legal grounds for actually taking down any commentary stream.

01:36:25.000 It's an absurd claim they're going to try and make.

01:36:29.000 At least in one instance, the legal advice was, the presumption is that CNN is collapsing, their ratings are in the gutter, they're bleeding money, and they're in a panic-desperate state.

01:36:41.000 They likely will take whatever action imaginable, just because they have to.

01:36:47.000 When you're trying to rescue someone who's drowning, you've got to come from behind and lift them, otherwise they will drown you.

01:36:53.000 And so that's what the concern is.

01:36:55.000 The concern is that CNN's going to file live takedowns on every single channel that tries to provide fact-checking, commentating, and criticism on the debate.

01:37:05.000 Now here's the problem.

01:37:06.000 YouTube's an automated system, and they don't want to be involved.

01:37:10.000 So they just allow people to do whatever they want.

01:37:12.000 If you are live-streaming, and you get a DMCA complaint, not only does your show end, so there's not going to be a show to restore.

01:37:21.000 It's just gone.

01:37:22.000 They destroy it.

01:37:23.000 You are banned.

01:37:25.000 You are suspended from streaming for seven days.

01:37:28.000 I've spoken to a few channels, and they said, I can't risk that.

01:37:31.000 Like, we do live streams.

01:37:33.000 If we get taken down, we're off the air for a week on YouTube.

01:37:37.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:37:39.000 And so, a lot of people are saying they want to do, like, side-by-side.

01:37:45.000 So, it's like, turn on the debate, then turn on our show and listen.

01:37:48.000 Yeah, okay.

01:37:49.000 Well, I'll tell you what we're going to do.

01:37:51.000 Our plan right now, and we had this discussion, we are going to be streaming on X, YouTube, and Rumble.

01:37:56.000 I talked to YouTube already.

01:37:58.000 They're unhappy with this.

01:38:00.000 It seems that CNN is directly targeting YouTube.

01:38:04.000 So CNN has already clarified to numerous channels, we are all allowed to broadcast the stream with commentary, so long as it is on our websites and not on YouTube.

01:38:17.000 Which is really weird.

01:38:19.000 It's a weird thing to request or demand or whatever.

01:38:22.000 That is, they've explicitly said that we can run, for profit, members only, 10 bucks if you want to watch our commentary debate stream and they have no problem with it.

01:38:34.000 Yet if we're on YouTube, providing it for free, with no ads even, that's the problem.

01:38:41.000 I talked to YouTube, I said, YouTube, guys, you realize, they actually aren't complaining about us.

01:38:46.000 CNN is not saying TimCast's bad, or any of these other podcasts bad, they're saying YouTube, they're going after you guys.

01:38:54.000 YouTube is not very happy about it, because it's literally, CNN is making a move against YouTube as a whole, and telling us, feel free to use it.

01:39:02.000 Just not on YouTube.

01:39:03.000 We don't want YouTube to have it.

01:39:04.000 They don't want YouTube to have it, unless it's on their channel.

01:39:08.000 So whatever that means.

01:39:09.000 Well, I tell you what.

01:39:11.000 It will be up on X, so follow me on X, at TimCast, it'll be on my TimCast account.

01:39:18.000 Rumble, TimCast IRL.

01:39:20.000 And of course, it will be live here.

01:39:23.000 The first hour of the show, of course, will be our normal show, and the second hour is when the debate begins for an hour and a half, so there will be no super chat section and no members only.

01:39:32.000 I told YouTube, you know, I'm telling you right now, CNN has no right to take down the first hour of our show over a complaint over however many minutes from the next portion, which they would falsely claim is fair use, and if YouTube is to take action against us over a false claim, like we've got a problem.

01:39:51.000 So it's tough.

01:39:52.000 Right now I would say this.

01:39:53.000 Our intention is... I'll say 90%.

01:39:56.000 90% likely you will see this on YouTube.

01:39:58.000 And I say that because something may change tomorrow pertaining to a call from YouTube or something.

01:40:04.000 It will be on X and it will be on Rumble so long as the system we've set up does work and it seems to be working rather well.

01:40:10.000 And so that's the case.

01:40:11.000 So I'm looking forward to it.

01:40:13.000 And we'll see what CNN tries to do about it.

01:40:15.000 But I think... I think it'll be fine and I think we'll see it here on YouTube.

01:40:18.000 But let's read your superchats.

01:40:20.000 Polly Puree says, am I first? 0.94

01:40:22.000 You are.

01:40:23.000 Congratulations.

01:40:25.000 Alright, Restless Medic says, if the House does not have the Sergeant-at-Arms remove Garland from his office in a highly publicized perp walk, which I'm under no delusion they'll do, then the rule of law is done and disobedience is the only solution.

01:40:39.000 And that is, regardless of your opinion, what we have seen historically.

01:40:44.000 As Matt Taibbi described several years ago, countries come to the point where two cars drive full speed down the road, drive up to the police station, two men jump out of the cars, run up to the chief of police and scream, arrest that man, at each other.

01:40:59.000 And this is where we're currently at.

01:41:02.000 We are at the point where the question is being asked, arrest that man.

01:41:08.000 And Matt Taibbi's point was, a decision will be made.

01:41:12.000 And that is your coup, that is your revolution.

01:41:14.000 I don't know if that's his point, but that is what you get ultimately.

01:41:20.000 Alright, J3TL4G, great name, says, Embarrassing to see you mock Bowman's loss and cheer on establishment Democrats taking his place.

01:41:28.000 Anti-establishment left is not our enemy, boomer brain. 0.88

01:41:31.000 I'm not a boomer.

01:41:33.000 You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

01:41:35.000 It's sad, really. 0.98

01:41:37.000 Bowman should be mocked. 0.97

01:41:39.000 He is a criminal who broke the law and pulled a fire alarm and lied about it and got a slap on the wrist. 1.00

01:41:43.000 He's a scumbag. 1.00

01:41:44.000 That's it. 1.00

01:41:45.000 I celebrated when AOC beat Crowley because the establishment losing is funny, and then AOC joined the establishment.

01:41:50.000 Bowman is... He's not the same as AOC, that's true.

01:41:56.000 But, uh, yeah.

01:41:58.000 They are all working at the behest of the establishment.

01:42:00.000 They flipped a long time ago.

01:42:03.000 Also, it's good when commies lose.

01:42:05.000 Yeah, I don't care.

01:42:06.000 Like, dude, he's a bad guy. 0.92

01:42:08.000 He's a bad guy.

01:42:09.000 Oh, I'm not gonna cry about it.

01:42:09.000 He lost.

01:42:12.000 Like, whatever happens over there, fine.

01:42:14.000 Grant Arnett says, did you see that Newsom is a surrogate for Biden for the debate tomorrow?

01:42:19.000 I called this.

01:42:20.000 I said Biden's going to be at a rally and he's going to grip his chest and go, and then Gavin Newsom is going to throw his jacket off, run out on stage and save the life of the president.

01:42:31.000 I just didn't think you would be live on television broadcast by everyone.

01:42:34.000 I mean, there is no studio audience.

01:42:36.000 So that means he's got to be waiting in the wings or strapped to one of those things where you can like drop in like pseudo Spider-Man.

01:42:43.000 Pseudo Spider-Man.

01:42:44.000 What do we have?

01:42:45.000 What do we have?

01:42:47.000 J3 once again says, so sad to see you defend lobbyists stealing races. I wish I wished.

01:42:54.000 These lobbyists would fight half as hard for populist right-wing congressmen as they did against Bowman.

01:43:03.000 So, I don't care if lobbyists are doing anything.

01:43:06.000 As far as I'm concerned, I would support all kinds of lobbying to get communists out of the government.

01:43:13.000 I would send checks in, I will help them out, I will endorse them, I will talk about it on the internet.

01:43:18.000 If you're going to get commies out of the government, I don't care who's getting them out, just get them out of there.

01:43:22.000 Do you know what lobbying means?

01:43:23.000 Yeah.

01:43:25.000 It's really funny.

01:43:26.000 People think lobbyist implies something beyond like, dude, there are people who walk up to members of Congress on the street and say, hey, are you going to vote for that Green New Deal thing?

01:43:36.000 And they go, I'll think about it.

01:43:37.000 Have a nice day.

01:43:38.000 That's literally lobbying.

01:43:40.000 If you can get access to a congressperson or whatever and all you're doing is saying, hey, look, there are people that really believe in this.

01:43:48.000 And if you want to get their votes, blah, blah, blah.

01:43:52.000 And that's it.

01:43:53.000 And it's not it's not some kind of nefarious thing as much as people are going to imply that it's that it's nefarious.

01:44:00.000 The idea that lobbyists actually have significant effect on the policies that the Congress people are selecting,

01:44:09.000 it's not the way it works.

01:44:11.000 The Congress people go and they look at their constituents, look at the people that they're representing,

01:44:16.000 and they will select things that those people tend to agree on

01:44:20.000 or tend to like because they do try to represent their district because if they don't, they lose.

01:44:25.000 I don't think that's true of all politics, though.

01:44:27.000 Not all, but generally.

01:44:28.000 There are lobbyists who are effective and have an effect on government and what's going on.

01:44:32.000 Part of it is all politicians who take money from anybody are ultimately beholden

01:44:36.000 to whoever gave it to them.

01:44:37.000 So that's why I think the difference between all politicians who gain office

01:44:40.000 through grassroots funding versus someone who's really trying to have the big dollars.

01:44:44.000 I mean, ultimately everyone answers to someone.

01:44:46.000 It's just a question of who.

01:44:47.000 I think that most of the time it's people answering to their constituents, specifically the politically motivated ones, because these people have to be able to rely on their votes in the midterms when you don't have a lot of attention.

01:45:01.000 So the people that are politically motivated and that have agendas that they care about, they're going to go ahead and they're going to contribute to organizations that have lobbyists.

01:45:10.000 The NRA doesn't get people elected.

01:45:13.000 The NRA supports people that already support the Second Amendment, and they support the Second Amendment because their constituents support the Second Amendment.

01:45:21.000 If you go to, if you're looking at people that are in the oil lobby, you tend to find people that are working for, like in Texas, that are working for oil companies and stuff like that, and the politicians support those ideas, then the lobbyists come to help get them elected because they already support those ideas because they're representing their constituents.

01:45:38.000 I do understand that there is some influence, but I don't think that it's as As much of an effect as people generally think because most people that complain about lobbyists they tend to have the idea that like the lobbyists can just shovel money into their accounts and their bank.

01:45:54.000 I mean lobbyists are able to to shovel money in a way that a lot of you know independent donors grassroots donors can't.

01:45:59.000 I think the other part is that a lobbying group could look at a candidate that's moderate on issue and say Hey, like we really want to support you but we need to know that you would vote a certain way on this and that's the problem, right?

01:46:08.000 They have an influence.

01:46:09.000 I get that ultimately we want to believe our politicians represent people and maybe on certain issues they do and maybe there are – and I think there are groups that we technically classify as lobbying groups that are legitimately trying to do good in their communities.

01:46:21.000 But it's also equally as likely that lobbying groups are able to look at who they can influence and divert money in their direction.

01:46:28.000 Like we have to be skeptical of politics in all directions here.

01:46:31.000 Lobbying groups don't get a pass.

01:46:33.000 All right, we'll read some superchats here.

01:46:36.000 Ogan Maddox says, Tim, you read my superchat last night but never addressed my question about Matt and Blonde possibly appearing on IRL other than howdy people love this show.

01:46:44.000 Matt and Blonde are always welcome to come on the show.

01:46:46.000 Matt's fantastic.

01:46:47.000 He's a good dude.

01:46:48.000 Would be great to have him on.

01:46:51.000 But he's in Montana, isn't he?

01:46:53.000 He's far away.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, they're way up there.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, but we'll fly him out.

01:46:56.000 You know, I'm down.

01:46:57.000 We'll go to Montana.

01:46:58.000 No, just kidding.

01:46:58.000 We're about to pick up the show and go.

01:47:02.000 Let's go!

01:47:03.000 We'll try and grab some super chats here.

01:47:07.000 Heath Hansen says, Congress has to act because people flagrantly lie to and ignore Congress and have made their inquiries impotent.

01:47:14.000 Exercising congressional authority should not be out of the norm.

01:47:19.000 I agree!

01:47:21.000 All right.

01:47:23.000 Let's, let's see what we got.

01:47:25.000 What do we have here?

01:47:27.000 Bucket Aquatics says Al Capone was not a government official making laws and enforcing them in this country.

01:47:32.000 The comparison is apples to cactus, dude.

01:47:34.000 You are way off.

01:47:36.000 Apples to cactus.

01:47:38.000 I've not heard that one.

01:47:39.000 I enjoy it.

01:47:41.000 Let's, let's grab some.

01:47:42.000 We got a lot of super chats in here.

01:47:44.000 Oof.

01:47:45.000 That was a fiery conversation.

01:47:46.000 People want to chime in.

01:47:47.000 Absolutely.

01:47:47.000 Jacob Ollie says, Phil, I just wanted to thank you.

01:47:49.000 You responded to my chat a couple weeks ago about my mom's medical stuff and money issues.

01:47:53.000 You talked me into going out to talk to anyone for help.

01:47:55.000 You have no idea how close I am, how close I was to ending it.

01:47:59.000 You and family helped.

01:48:00.000 You saved my life.

01:48:01.000 I remember that day.

01:48:04.000 That's really great to hear, man.

01:48:05.000 Thank you.

01:48:05.000 Was that when you said, lift heavy thing, make sad voice go away?

01:48:07.000 I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I'm extremely blessed to be able to touch people, and I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know, and I'm glad that you are feeling better.

01:48:18.000 It is important to get out there and make a change in your life if you're feeling down, and I'm so happy that you did.

01:48:25.000 Thank you so much.

01:48:28.000 All right, we'll try and grab some Super Chits. 1.00

01:48:30.000 We have very, very many.

01:48:32.000 Nexus Layer says, should OJ Simpson have been found guilty in violation of criminal procedure because everyone knew he did it?

01:48:38.000 Should George Floyd have died because he was high behind a vehicle?

01:48:41.000 Guest's position is unprincipled and insane.

01:48:43.000 You want to respond to that?

01:48:46.000 Sorry, can you read that again?

01:48:48.000 Should OJ Simpson have been found guilty in violation of criminal procedure because everyone knew he did it?

01:48:53.000 Should George Floyd have died because he was high behind a vehicle?

01:48:57.000 Guest's position is unprincipled and insane.

01:49:00.000 Is that in relation to what I was saying?

01:49:01.000 Earlier on.

01:49:03.000 Okay, I don't really see any relation.

01:49:09.000 Okay.

01:49:10.000 Let's grab some more.

01:49:12.000 Brandon Parker says, this is very simple.

01:49:13.000 What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

01:49:15.000 So if it's okay to prosecute the right for contempt, then it's okay to prosecute the left for contempt, regardless of who they are.

01:49:20.000 Justice is blind.

01:49:25.000 I suppose so.

01:49:26.000 The difference is that Yeah, I'm all for the principle.

01:49:35.000 I'm questioning whether this is actually a one-to-one comparison.

01:49:39.000 I don't really think it is.

01:49:41.000 All right.

01:49:42.000 Kai says, Tim, ask him how he would feel if he did not have breakfast yesterday.

01:49:47.000 Jesus.

01:49:49.000 I don't know.

01:49:50.000 Probably a little different.

01:49:53.000 All right.

01:49:55.000 Let's scroll down and see what we got here.

01:49:58.000 Got a lot of super chats.

01:49:59.000 People are very, very opinionated about that conversation.

01:50:03.000 All right.

01:50:05.000 What do we have here?

01:50:06.000 Copper Lobos says, Phil, can't wait to see you this summer.

01:50:09.000 How did you manage to score Jason Richardson?

01:50:11.000 He is a beast.

01:50:13.000 Well, we met Jason, like, back in 2011 or something like that was the first time I met him.

01:50:18.000 And we just hit it off really well, like everyone in the band.

01:50:22.000 And also, Jason was a big fan of Ollie.

01:50:25.000 Not only was Jason a fan of Oli, but Oli was a big fan of Jason.

01:50:29.000 The first tour that we did with him, Oli came up to the bus and he's like, you guys have got to come watch this kid.

01:50:33.000 He is 17 years old and he's amazing.

01:50:36.000 And at the time, I had never seen a person that young play like Jason.

01:50:41.000 So Jason and Ollie stayed, you know, stayed friends and, you know, talked and stuff when they got the chance.

01:50:46.000 And Ollie had said, you know, if anything ever happened to me, and this was, you know, it was it was apocryphal, I guess, but he said, if anything ever happens to me, Jason Richardson is the guy that I would want to to take my place.

01:50:56.000 And so, you know, when Jason offered to fill in and he wasn't in a band at the time, we were like, look, man, Ollie said, you're the guy like if you want the job, it's yours.

01:51:06.000 And he was like, yeah, dude, you know, I'd love it.

01:51:08.000 And it's It's an amazing, wonderful thing to be able to say that.

01:51:14.000 If we can't have Ollie, because Ollie's passed away, we can have the guy that Ollie wanted, and that's a big deal to me.

01:51:21.000 So I'm forever grateful for Jason, and I'm also forever grateful for Ollie.

01:51:25.000 So, cheers.

01:51:27.000 Hal Gailey says, Trump, quote, Joe, when you leave office, I'm going to go to your legacy.

01:51:32.000 Fragile, timid creature it is. 1.00

01:51:33.000 I'm going to set it in front of the people, and Hawktua, spit on that thing, your legacy is garbage. 1.00

01:51:39.000 Yes, yes, everybody likes Hawktua. 0.96

01:51:42.000 Big Lean says Trump's mic will only be muted to live television and then they will turn the mic up 1000% and they are hoping he won't think about that and will say things under his breath.

01:51:51.000 We already know ethics aren't real to them.

01:51:54.000 Do you think Trump saying stuff under his breath would hurt him with the voters, right?

01:51:59.000 But I was actually thinking what if, and they could easily do this, create different streams Let me say this first.

01:52:08.000 Emphasis matters dramatically in what a sentence means.

01:52:12.000 If you were to read the sentence, I never said she stole your money.

01:52:18.000 Depending on where you put emphasis, it dramatically changes the meaning.

01:52:21.000 I never said she stole your money.

01:52:27.000 With that in mind, What if a network, and I'm not saying this will happen, had multiple versions of the same feed showing different things at different times, creating different perceptions of how the debate is going?

01:52:40.000 The metaverse.

01:52:42.000 I don't know about that, but notoriously when it was JFK's Nixon debate, I think this is where they said that people who listened on radio thought Nixon won.

01:52:50.000 People who watched on TV thought Nixon lost.

01:52:52.000 I think it was the first televised debate, too.

01:52:54.000 That was part of the reason.

01:52:55.000 Well, people on TV saw him sweating and nervous and shaking.

01:52:58.000 And shaved, too.

01:52:59.000 Yeah.

01:53:00.000 And people who listened on the radio heard this collected debate, and they thought he was the winner.

01:53:05.000 So they could effectively do something like that by giving different streams to different networks.

01:53:10.000 With different camera angles.

01:53:13.000 When Biden did his dark Brandon speech, they did a little bit of that.

01:53:17.000 The close-up pictures showed him with this red background, and he looked like Darth Vader.

01:53:22.000 My favorite picture.

01:53:22.000 I love it.

01:53:23.000 That's right.

01:53:25.000 But the camera pulls out a little bit, and there's white and blue on either side.

01:53:28.000 And so it looks like just the usual bunting.

01:53:32.000 In theory, there would be a great sci-fi novel you could write about.

01:53:36.000 An AI man-in-the-middle attack into, like, the feed of a major network?

01:53:40.000 And just you have, like, three different AI debates?

01:53:44.000 Right, well, I mean, it reminds me of when this announcement came out that Biden was going to challenge Trump to a debate, right?

01:53:50.000 Tim talks about it, he saw the video, but I heard it over the radio first, and it sounded like actually kind of a strong statement from Biden.

01:53:57.000 He was speaking relatively quickly, but it's all actually, when you look at it, super cut together to give him an edge.

01:54:02.000 If there is, you know, if CNN controls the live stream, any sort of delay or any sort of clipping that they can do obviously could benefit someone and make someone else look bad.

01:54:11.000 They may have to use the body double.

01:54:13.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:54:14.000 All right, Ginger McIsaac says, dead babies.

01:54:16.000 I agree.

01:54:17.000 People don't care about dead babies. 0.73

01:54:19.000 Americans support abortions.

01:54:20.000 We are immune to dead babies.

01:54:24.000 I agree.

01:54:25.000 Yeah, that's a fair point.

01:54:26.000 Yeah.

01:54:28.000 It's that the dead baby argument only applies when it's the politics of the person is trying to advance.

01:54:33.000 Yeah.

01:54:34.000 The dead babies argument.

01:54:36.000 To conservatives, dead babies are bad.

01:54:37.000 Yeah.

01:54:38.000 To liberals, it's depending on the situation.

01:54:40.000 That's why they shouldn't want the dead babies in Gaza either. 0.59

01:54:42.000 It speaks to the fundamental philosophy going on.

01:54:46.000 They don't believe that words have meaning.

01:54:48.000 They use words to evoke emotion in people.

01:54:54.000 Let's go!

01:54:55.000 Oh, Sparky says, Tim, you're obviously Israel's stooge. 1.00

01:54:59.000 It's obvious.

01:55:01.000 That's right.

01:55:02.000 You can tell by the tiny beanie that he has underneath the regular beanie.

01:55:04.000 Well, I have to wear the beanie because it hides the yarmulke.

01:55:08.000 Otherwise people will find out.

01:55:09.000 Underneath the beanie, that's what's there. 1.00

01:55:11.000 Y'all are stupid, man. 1.00

01:55:14.000 The thing that gets me about it the most, like, shout out to Nick Fuentes when he was chanting, we want independence from Israel. 1.00

01:55:20.000 It's just like, there's literally no other foreign ties and foreign obligations and things the U.S.

01:55:24.000 is entrenched in.

01:55:25.000 I get that Israel's a big one, but there are a bunch of foreign obligations the United States has given itself up to and bent the knee to foreign dignitaries in horrifyingly ridiculous ways.

01:55:36.000 And it's just like, there's only ever one in the mind of these people.

01:55:38.000 Only one?

01:55:38.000 Only one.

01:55:39.000 I'm like, Israel counts as one. 0.82

01:55:40.000 And then there's like, Saudi Arabia.

01:55:43.000 Depending on how you want to describe things with NATO, the U.S.

01:55:45.000 is NATO.

01:55:45.000 You can take a look at the spending in Vietnam in the 70s.

01:55:49.000 You can take a look at the spending in Ukraine now.

01:55:51.000 The spending in Ukraine now eclipses basically everything.

01:55:54.000 There's just so much.

01:55:55.000 The U.S.

01:55:57.000 administrations for several decades supporting Saudi Arabia.

01:56:01.000 The United States acting as the military force for Saudi Arabia in Yemen, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of people.

01:56:07.000 Heavens!

01:56:09.000 So much more.

01:56:10.000 All right, all right.

01:56:12.000 Sandman says Americans don't care about Israel.

01:56:14.000 We care about our economy and border.

01:56:16.000 Tim, you're right.

01:56:17.000 He just cares about his own view.

01:56:20.000 Well, I think people who—I have never met anyone who has Ukraine derangement syndrome, Saudi Arabia derangement syndrome, South Korea, China, Taiwan, literally any other—Sudan.

01:56:34.000 I mean, the Sudanese conflict.

01:56:36.000 I don't know.

01:56:37.000 In my experience, Armenians tend to have Turkish derangement syndrome and vice versa. 0.71

01:56:43.000 Agreed, but it's not at this scale where, like, I don't have Armenians coming in the chat posting Turkish flags all the time.

01:56:50.000 It's crazy.

01:56:51.000 You don't have Armenians marching to conservative conferences with a thousand people screaming independence from Turkey.

01:56:58.000 It's so bad.

01:56:58.000 Well, I mean, the difference is, and I would totally concede that some of it is indefensible, There is no other lobby in Washington that is so lawless as the Israel lobby.

01:57:12.000 The amount of targeting of individuals within America that they do, much of what they do is actually illegal here in America.

01:57:19.000 I do not believe that for a second.

01:57:23.000 No, no, no.

01:57:24.000 I'm saying that your description of this as, like, the biggest—the military-industrial complex is a substantially bigger concern across the board than the Israel lobby.

01:57:36.000 The Israel lobby is a fraction of the military-industrial complex.

01:57:38.000 I mean, what conservative commentators tend to do is say that you're obsessed or deranged about it when you bring it up at all.

01:57:45.000 No, that's just me.

01:57:46.000 No, but that's been the common attack, you know, on anybody who brings this up, is that you're either obsessed or deranged if you think it might be a problem at all.

01:57:57.000 No, that's a gross oversimplification.

01:57:59.000 I think it's important to criticize Israel. 1.00

01:58:01.000 I think that it's good that people criticize Israel. 1.00

01:58:04.000 I think the U.S.

01:58:05.000 shouldn't be spending any money on Israel.

01:58:07.000 And yet, for some reason, a tiny fraction of the military-industrial complex and foreign spending dominates the minds of so many people in such shocking ways.

01:58:14.000 With respect, here's why that's wrong.

01:58:16.000 If you want to get to the point where you actually can cut aid, you're making yourself an enemy of the Israel lobby.

01:58:21.000 And so to even get what you want, you have to make yourself an enemy of it.

01:58:25.000 So what?

01:58:26.000 If you actually want to achieve that, you better understand how it works.

01:58:29.000 And what about the oil lobby?

01:58:31.000 What about Saudi Arabia?

01:58:32.000 You think that going up against them and cutting ties doesn't put you in their crosshairs?

01:58:36.000 What about going up against Ukraine?

01:58:37.000 They were banning people for their statements about Ukraine.

01:58:40.000 They killed a guy in Ukraine!

01:58:42.000 Like, Gonzalo Lira's dead!

01:58:44.000 Like, they kidnapped and killed a guy!

01:58:47.000 The president of Ukraine came to this country, and we spent substantially more money on Ukraine than Israel.

01:58:55.000 It is Ukraine that is in control of this country, and the Ukraine lobby is too powerful, and we've got to cut ties. 0.92

01:59:01.000 But you better understand what happens if you go up against Ukraine.

01:59:03.000 How many people got Ukrainian flags in their bios right now?

01:59:05.000 More than Israeli flags.

01:59:07.000 I wish I didn't live under the Ukrainian-occupied government.

01:59:10.000 Yeah, the idea that Ukraine is in control of the U.S. 0.97

01:59:12.000 government is silly. 0.88

01:59:13.000 The U.S. 0.99

01:59:15.000 is trying to maintain international hegemonic military power.

01:59:19.000 Thucydides' Trap is a real concern with the rise of China, and Israel is a large, a large faction, a large component of U.S.

01:59:26.000 foreign policy and military strategy.

01:59:29.000 But so is Saudi Arabia, so is Ukraine, so was Vietnam, so is South Korea, Germany, NATO, etc. 0.85

01:59:35.000 And the money we're spending in Africa is also ridiculous. 0.57

01:59:38.000 I wish people would come out and say, stop spending money in Sudan. 0.99

01:59:41.000 Well, so the Saudi Arabia question, it has to do with the general posture, which exists

01:59:47.000 to so the the kind of strategic vision of the Israeli right for many decades is that

01:59:54.000 there should be rapprochement with the Gulf states and hostility toward Iran.

01:59:58.000 And so the bombing in Yemen, the you know, that that the Emiratis and the Saudis that

02:00:05.000 have been backing, and it's been quite brutal, is part of a strategy of which Israel is the 1.00

02:00:11.000 cornerstone.

02:00:13.000 There's a whole part of this, and what's happening right now is that strategy is failing.

02:00:17.000 So were you warring Ukraine because of Israel?

02:00:20.000 I'm talking about the Middle East.

02:00:22.000 We spend more money on Ukraine, I'm saying. 0.86

02:00:24.000 Not over the scope of the relationship.

02:00:27.000 How much do we spend on Israel per year?

02:00:30.000 It's tens of billions of dollars.

02:00:32.000 And we've spent how much?

02:00:33.000 200 billion in Ukraine?

02:00:34.000 Yeah, I mean it is more.

02:00:36.000 But over the scope of the relationship, it's not really close.

02:00:39.000 Do you know the numbers?

02:00:41.000 Not off the top of my head.

02:00:43.000 And how can you make that statement?

02:00:45.000 Because, I mean, Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union until the 90s.

02:00:49.000 What does that have to do with what I just said?

02:00:51.000 The long term.

02:00:51.000 If you don't know the numbers of how much we've given Ukraine or Israel, then don't make that statement.

02:00:57.000 Okay, do you want me to open my laptop?

02:01:00.000 The U.S.

02:01:01.000 has given over $260 billion since the 1940s.

02:01:03.000 $260?

02:01:04.000 $260 billion.

02:01:05.000 And we've given Ukraine what, $200?

02:01:06.000 Oh, we may have recently beat them because we just gave them another $60.

02:01:10.000 But I think we're probably higher on Israel.

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