On today's show, we discuss the latest in the latest lawsuit against the Huffington Post and Fox News, as well as the recent vote on renewing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. We also hear about a new Supreme Court ruling allowing the government to continue spying on Americans without warrants, and a new push for voter ID requirements.
00:00:16.000And by you, I'm of course talking to the deep state, not the American people.
00:00:18.000My fellow Americans are the people in the intelligence agencies.
00:00:20.000I'm trying to get on their good side because, you know, they just approved warrantless spying again.
00:00:25.000And so, you know, I don't want to be on the short end of that stick.
00:00:28.000In all seriousness, a lot of Republicans and conservatives are very upset because many Republicans voted in favor of renewing FISA and this warrantless spying.
00:00:41.000At the same time, Mike Johnson announced alongside Donald Trump that they are going to push forward with voter ID requirements for voting.
00:00:48.000And at the same time, we have big news that several states are rejecting this executive order that Biden released back in 2021, was brought up to us on the TimCast members show, that allows, requires the federal government, various agencies, to register voters in various states and to provide for them a... I want to make sure I get the language right, but...
00:01:14.000Basically, it looks like the federal government is trying to stick its hand into voter registration, which is states' business, and several states are upset about this.
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00:04:23.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Dennis Kucinich.
00:04:38.000And I felt it was very important to have an opportunity to have a chat with you and to reach out to your very large audience, which I'm sure is up to date on what's happening in the country and maybe ready to hear a point of view that Congress itself needs to hear.
00:05:56.000And I chose public service as an avocation, as a sense that my life doesn't belong just to me, that it belongs to community through service.
00:06:11.000I think many people have that view, and there's so many different ways to serve.
00:06:15.000I chose to serve in public, in government, so I've been a councilman.
00:06:21.000I was very young when I was elected to city council in Cleveland.
00:06:25.000I've served four terms in the city council.
00:06:28.000I've been a clerk of courts, which is a judicial office in the city, mayor of Cleveland at age 31, the youngest mayor in the country.
00:06:36.000Later on, State Senate, United States House of Representatives for 16 years, ran twice for president.
00:06:43.000I've been fortunate to have a long career in public service, which has really given me some insight as to how, you know, as to the nature of government, what it should be doing, what it shouldn't be doing, and the potential to be of service to people, but also the fact that there are some areas of government ought to stay out of people's lives.
00:07:05.000Well right on, and now you're running for Congress again.
00:07:09.000I was redistricted out of my district in 2012, paradoxically enough by the Democrats in Columbus, Ohio, when I was a member of the Democratic Party.
00:07:25.000Years later, Last year a new district was created which included half of my old constituency which I served, almost half of my old constituency which I served for 16 years.
00:07:39.000I decided, given what's going on in the country and the world, that this was an important time to get back into it.
00:07:46.000But in particular, because of the polarization that's going on, I thought, you know, I'm going to run as an independent.
00:07:55.000I've had the ability to work with people on both sides of the aisle.
00:08:10.000And so in running as an independent, there's a chance, Tim, that not only can I win, but there's a chance that I could be the only independent elected to the next Congress in a Congress that could be 217 Republicans.
00:08:28.000And I will tell you that I have the experience to understand how to use that for the benefit of the country, my constituents, and I'm preparing for that.
00:10:19.000They eliminated what was called the enactment clause, put a new bill in front of the Congress, which no one read except maybe some staff.
00:10:29.000I spent about an hour and a half at the clerk's desk Riffling through the bill, reading as fast as I could, and what I found out is it expanded government powers in an extraordinary way.
00:10:39.000It gave government the ability to spy on people, to look at their bank records, their health records, their education records, their library.
00:10:49.000I mean, some of this has been amended out.
00:10:53.000But the core thing was that the Patriot Act set the government against the people.
00:10:59.000And so I voted against it because I read it.
00:11:04.000And most members didn't, but many voted for it because it's the Patriot Act, so you should salute it.
00:11:10.000Now, you know, to me, what I learned after 9-11 is that our government lied to us, and I knew that, but by the way, Ian, right after 9-11 I saw the case that the Bush administration was making go to war in Iraq, and I spent Endless hours deconstructing the case.
00:11:33.000And what I found out is that they were lying about Iraq, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, despite the fact they claimed that it did nothing to do with Al-Qaeda's role in 9-11, didn't have the intention or capability of attacking the United States, had nothing to do with the anthrax attack, yet a case was made to attack Iraq And we proceeded to prosecute a war that cost the lives of almost 5,000 U.S.
00:11:57.000servicemen and women, cost our country close to $5 trillion for the war alone, cost the lives of over a million innocent Iraqis, and contributed to a national debt that uh... added maybe with all the other wars since then about eight trillion dollars to a thirty four trillion dollar now national debt this thing was a triple canopy disaster the government lied about everything and the patriot act was uh... was uh... put forward as a means of trying to control the population to reach government even deeper into people's lives and what we see today this hasn't ended today FISA which is another riff
00:12:40.000on government reaching into people's lives, spying on Americans.
00:12:43.000You know, Congress defeated an amendment that would have required a warrant to be able to spy on Americans.
00:13:02.000Well, so this is the big story from NBC News.
00:13:04.000House votes to renew FISA spying tool after earlier Republican revolt.
00:13:09.000Prior to passage, the House failed to adopt a bipartisan amendment to curtail warrantless surveillance inside the U.S.
00:13:15.000Section 702 of the law expires on April 19th, unless it's renewed.
00:13:19.000So what does this mean for your everyday American?
00:13:22.000What it means is that government, just for an FBI agent, claiming there's a reason important to the country, can file a national security letter and go in and find out what people are doing.
00:13:37.000And to say that it's never political, it's not going to be abused, that's baloney.
00:13:47.000This law, we already had the tools through the Central Intelligence Agency to determine if somebody's doing something to try to hurt our country.
00:13:57.000And unfortunately, you know, the CIA often misinterprets that in order to justify starting wars.
00:14:03.000However, FISA has permitted our government to be able to reach very deeply into people's personal conduct.
00:14:11.000And this bill, Look, right now the government can track your internet searches.
00:14:16.000The government can flag individual conduct.
00:14:22.000That is not what a democracy is supposed to be about, small d. It is anathema to the very principle of freedom that we believe we have as Americans to have the government equipped in a law that enables them to spy on Americans without a warrant.
00:14:40.000They can do it without, you know, before, if you want to go and find out what people are talking about on their phone or any other form of communication, you have to go to court.
00:14:48.000You don't have to do that now under FISA.
00:14:52.000So, you know, Congress Rejected the Biggs Amendment that would have required a warrant to be able to follow the personal conduct of people to me.
00:15:03.000It is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure.
00:15:09.000It is also a violation of right to privacy.
00:15:14.000I mean, our government is too busy about reaching into people's private lives and their personal lives.
00:15:21.000And in a way, when you have a law like that, everybody's a potential criminal.
00:15:26.000If the government doesn't like what you're doing or saying, they can go after you.
00:15:30.000That's why I'm for, you know, I'm for dramatically revising all of those bills that were passed in the wake of 9-11, because otherwise we're looking at something that resembles more of a Stalin-esque state than the United States of America.
00:15:53.000The fact that you are bringing up Stalin-esque things, I mean, you've been around D.C.
00:15:59.000for a long time, you've seen the different political parties kind of change and grow and stuff, but you also understand what Stalin-esque means.
00:16:12.000Like, there are a lot of people that are hyperbolic about stuff, but Dennis's, you know, depth of knowledge in his experience, using something like that, it should hold weight.
00:16:22.000Now, I think that I'm on the complete same page about all of the government spying, all of FISA, all of the stuff the Patriot Act, you know, made normal, made normalized.
00:16:34.000And I feel like also there is, we're kind of reaching a time where the people that were most vocal about, you know, not doing this, because I remember Ron Paul and you were very, very vocal.
00:16:48.000Ron and I worked very closely together.
00:16:50.000Yeah, and that's part of the reason why I know I was a big, big Ron Paul fan, you know, in 2007, 2008, when it came out that, you know, the government lied to us.
00:16:58.000I was a, you know, a Republican and I thought that, okay, well, this is, you know, this is the government is doing this and it's important and blah, blah, blah.
00:17:06.000I felt really You know it really it took it I took it personally and it's important that the people that were there when it was passed are out here now saying look we need to stop this stuff and it's now it's 20 years on so a lot of the people that were there like Ron Paul
00:17:24.000They're not in Congress anymore, and we're losing the voices that were protesting before, and we really need to amplify their voices against the things that are happening today.
00:17:33.000What is the Biggs Amendment that you said failed?
00:17:51.000Which is what the Fourth Amendment says.
00:17:54.000Is the argument for this like, the whole world is spying on us, so we have to spy on ourselves too?
00:17:59.000I think the argument is, there is no US government, there's an enclave, which acts outside of the interests of the people, the people have no say in how things are done, and we can only pretend.
00:18:20.000Studies have been done that show that the government is not accountable to the people.
00:18:24.000The opinions of the people have no bearing whatsoever on policy.
00:18:27.000But beyond just mad power control, are they justifying it like, look, it's going to happen anyway, so we need to get ahead of this and be the ones that are collecting data?
00:18:40.000Intelligence agencies changed over the years where instead of having a sharply focused approach towards collecting information, as one intelligence leader said, why go for a needle when you just take the whole haystack?
00:18:56.000Now that haystack is everything about us.
00:18:58.000See, to me, We must have a private sphere in our lives which is reserved to us.
00:20:07.000Justice is no longer blind in this country.
00:20:10.000The blindfold is off and the people who are in power can look one way or another and decide who they want to go after.
00:20:16.000That's not what America was intended to be, but that's how we're evolving and that's why this vote concerning the FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Act, this surveillance act, this vote was really important because it basically says whose side are you on?
00:20:37.000Are you on the side of the deep state?
00:21:16.000Who knows what the hell, what they tell him.
00:21:18.000What kind of things do you think that he was told in the back room, Dennis?
00:21:21.000Well, let me just say, there wasn't any real, I mean, whether it was a back room or not, News reports have that members of the Justice Department were right outside the, you know, the chamber of the House, pulling people out to talk to them.
00:21:37.000We have this tweet from Thomas Massey.
00:21:39.000He said this is how the Constitution dies by a tie vote the amendment to require a warrant to spy on Americans goes
00:21:45.000down In flames. This is a sad day for America
00:21:47.000The speaker doesn't always vote in the house But he was the tiebreaker today and he voted against the
00:21:52.000warrants meaning if he didn't vote at all the warrants would have won
00:21:55.000Dennis you can see uh Yeah, well, Tom Massey is spot-on, you know, and he's a patriot.
00:22:03.000He really cares about this country, and the speaker He's in a box.
00:22:09.000I mean, you've got on one hand, you've got people that want to kick him out immediately, and then you have others who are gathering around him.
00:22:16.000He's like a witch bone, and people are pulling both ends of it, and if he survives, it'll be surprising.
00:22:23.000I don't think the people have been represented in this country for decades.
00:22:27.000There was a study that found that the political opinions of the American people have no bearing whatsoever on whether bills get passed.
00:22:34.000Yeah, Ron Paul's... His lobbyists, corporations, the wealthy.
00:22:37.000Well, we had Ron Paul on the show a year ago or so.
00:22:39.000He said he thinks the Republic died when Kennedy was assassinated.
00:22:42.000And he was like, I think the CIA killed Kennedy, and that was when the Republic officially was like, well... As someone who was a senior in high school when Kennedy was assassinated, and you know, I have a point of reference on that.
00:22:55.000There's no question the country changed.
00:22:57.000It changed emotionally, it changed in terms of the grip that the deep state had on the government.
00:23:08.000If you look at the speech that Kennedy gave at American University in, I think it was May of, it was in the spring of 1963, a half year before he was assassinated.
00:23:22.000He called basically for taking down the military-industrial complex in the same way that Eisenhower did a few years earlier in his farewell speech.
00:23:33.000He said that, you know, we want to create a country where peace is inevitable, not war.
00:23:40.000And so, the observations that Ron Paul has made about where America is today, he's 100% right.
00:23:50.000I mean, I've worked closely with Ron, we're still very good friends.
00:23:54.000And we have to, Tim, I want to go back to what you said about the American people, Having their government taken away from them by Citizens United, Buckley v. Vallejo, free money equals free speech, you know, best Congress money can buy, by the role of corporations in the government.
00:24:19.000Look, you know, when I went to Congress, except for the fact that people helped me get in and get elected over the internet contributing, I was able to escape the condition that most congressmen have.
00:24:34.000They're given a book that's about a foot thick, of PACs to call for money.
00:24:41.000And instead of going to the floor of the House and engaging in debates, members come to Congress and they go to their respective party headquarters and they dial for dollars.
00:24:51.000When there's a vote, they run to the floor and they vote.
00:24:53.000But most members are not involved in a day-to-day debate because they need to raise three to ten million dollars depending on the district or more to come back.
00:25:04.000And the system is adverse to the interests of the American people.
00:25:08.000So Tim, you know what you said, absolutely right.
00:25:11.000Let me pull up this clip here, this is from The Blaze.
00:25:14.000Speaker Mike Johnson lays it out for you.
00:25:15.000I like to call this clip gooblegobble, gooblegobble, one of us, one of us.
00:25:20.000And it's how they brought Mike Johnson into a private back room where the deep state started banging on a table, chanting gooblegobble, one of us, until he finally decided to be one of them.
00:25:30.000When I was a member of the judiciary, I saw the abuses of the FBI, the terrible abuses over and over and over, the hundreds of thousands of abuses.
00:25:37.000And then when I became Speaker, I went to the SCF and got the confidential briefing from sort of the other perspective on that to understand the necessity of Section 702 of FISA and how important it is for national security.
00:25:47.000And it gave me a different perspective.
00:25:48.000So I encourage all the members to go to the classified briefing and hear all that and see it so they can evaluate the situation for themselves.
00:25:55.000And I think Some opinions have changed both ways, but that's part of the process.
00:26:02.000He had seen the FBI abuse the system and spy on innocent people, and all that stuff.
00:26:07.000And then they brought him in the back room, roughed him up a little bit, and he said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please stop beating me mercilessly, and then decided to side with them and vote in their favor.
00:26:37.000But as you played that clip, and we're talking about national security, national security, for some reason, my thinking flashed to the border.
00:26:52.000We're millions of people across the border and that's not a national security, that's a real national security issue.
00:26:58.000They can throw the card of national security on anything and you put that out there and right away people say, oh well, national security and we can't tell you why, right?
00:28:10.000They use the opening and do it any way they want, and they can go after anyone they want, and I maintain that the fact that FISA was able to pass, and it's in for another two years, is a disaster for this country because it keeps us under the surveillance state that is against our democracy.
00:28:35.000Now, a Florida congresswoman put a motion to reconsider up, and you know what?
00:28:40.000They're going to have to vote again on it on Monday.
00:28:43.000And that'll be real interesting to see if people stay with their votes or whether they hear from their constituents who say, hey, we don't want the government spying.
00:28:52.000You have to have a warrant to be able to reach into people's stuff.
00:28:56.000Yeah, what's the best way for people to contact their congressman right now?
00:28:59.000Well, you know, call the House of Representatives.
00:29:02.000They can Google their member of Congress and get the phone number.
00:29:05.000While you were there, like, what's the most just annoying way to get bombarded by your constituents where you're like, fine, I'll listen to you.
00:29:17.000You visit the district office of the member of Congress because that's where the people are, where the rubber meets the road.
00:29:25.000You don't get back to Congress unless you pay attention to what's happening in your district.
00:29:31.000And while people make the trek to DC, it's okay if you want to do that, go to the district office.
00:29:37.000Ask to speak to the district director.
00:29:40.000Tell them you're a constituent, and that you're concerned about the government having too much power, about the government being able to spy on Americans, being able to do it without a warrant.
00:29:49.000And you want some accountability, and you want their congressman or woman to stand for the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
00:29:57.000Because ultimately, this is what this is about.
00:30:12.000You know, it was put in there because the Brits, you know, would go from house to house, they'd quarter their troops, they'd grab stuff, they'd take it out.
00:30:20.000No, we established the Bill of Rights to stop Americans from being beset by any type of government.
00:30:29.000And now the government, instead of serving the people, is attacking the people.
00:30:36.000And, you know, if you read the Declaration of Independence, and you look at the statement that Jefferson wrote, it was a recitation of all of the abuses of the government at that time, and then it was the government of King George.
00:30:54.000But, you know, King George might be long dead, but the abuses of what happens when a central government becomes More and ever more powerful.
00:31:08.000As a matter of fact, with the internet, with digital technology, oh my god!
00:31:18.000I mean we're now, we have surpassed the Orwellian 1984 and we're into this brave new world that Huxley talked about in which the government is the big brother.
00:31:33.000Is it, and it's more than just, like Tim was saying, it's not just the US government.
00:31:36.000There's greater economic powers at force that are manipulating people.
00:31:41.000I mean, you mentioned Citizens United earlier, which I believe, maybe you can explain it better, gives people, what, unlimited ability to, what does it do exactly, Citizens United?
00:31:51.000Essentially, since money equals free speech, Citizens United gave corporations the right to participate in the political process, to use their resources in structured ways, through the creation of super PACs and such.
00:32:10.000And 501c4s to be able to influence elections in a way they couldn't before.
00:32:15.000I mean now it's no, you know, the removal of any restraint on campaign financing has been a disaster for this country.
00:32:40.000But to clarify, when I said yes and he said no, his is literal, mine's figurative.
00:32:44.000But I'm asking more of the broader, like, can they have a charity that's a United States charity that's owned by, yes, a subsidiary essentially, that's dirt.
00:32:51.000And it's not just that, it's that there can be a charity that, or I should say to clarify, there can be a charity where it's an American guy who started it and then China puts a hundred million dollars in it.
00:33:02.000And then depending on what they do and how they do it.
00:33:04.000Well, 501c3s are not permitted to be involved in politics at all, according to the IRS.
00:33:11.000But 501c4s, which have an educational component and a political action component, are permitted.
00:33:18.000Corporations can't contribute to them.
00:33:33.000This is a very important topic, because when you look back at NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, GATT, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, the creation of the World Trade Organization, okay?
00:34:05.000And in many ways, that's when we began to see a destructive undermining of our rights as Americans when You know, steel, automotive, aerospace, shipping, industries started to go that were tied to people having a decent way of living in this country.
00:34:24.000And the connection with the declining American industrial base, what I call the strategic industrial base, is directly related to the loss of individual freedoms.
00:34:39.000Because you cannot have political freedom if you don't have economic freedom.
00:34:43.000And as people start to lose their economic position, Their political rights are by definition going to be undermined.
00:34:53.000When I was in Congress, Boeing came into my office asking me to vote on China trade.
00:35:00.000I found out that the reason why they wanted to do that is they were willing to give to China the prototypes of the new aircraft that Boeing was developing.
00:35:09.000And China, of course, got that as part of the deal for entrance into the market.
00:35:13.000If you move your economy over, as we went to China, what are we importing?
00:35:21.000We're importing goods, but we're also importing values.
00:35:28.000You know, workers' rights, you know, human rights, out the door.
00:35:33.000So I'm, you know, I'm a firm believer that we need to really review where we are as a nation with respect to upholding our basic liberties, because they have been lost over the last 30, 40 years.
00:35:46.000I want to ask you, how would you How would you view the Democratic Party today as compared to where it was maybe 20 years ago, 10 years ago?
00:35:55.000There's some major differences, particularly on issues of war.
00:36:29.000In organizing votes against the war in Iraq.
00:36:35.000And we had 125 Democrats who voted against the war.
00:36:41.000The party has changed and I think it's a number of reasons why.
00:36:45.000There's a Democrat in the White House, that Democrat has been a hawk for a good part of his, for his entire career.
00:36:53.000And there's fewer and fewer, there's less and less competition among defense industries and the defense industry is the juggernaut that Eisenhower warned about.
00:37:08.000You know, he said be aware of the military-industrial conflict.
00:37:13.000And so they basically have control of the White House and the Congress.
00:37:21.000It's been ever thus that the Democratic Party, and I think it's probably true of the Republicans as well, if you have the White House The leadership of the House will generally follow whatever the President wants.
00:37:35.000So this is a problem because the political parties are, there's people in both parties who are favoring war now.
00:37:47.000And it's very dangerous for this country.
00:38:06.000They're jacking up the price of war material.
00:38:12.000And as a result, the taxpayers are paying more and more and more and getting less and less and less.
00:38:18.000When I got to Congress in 97, we had a hearing with the Inspector General on the committee, I was on the Government Reform, and at that point they said that the Pentagon had over a trillion dollars in accounts they hadn't reconciled.
00:38:34.000I found out that the Pentagon, according to this report that we were given, had over 1,100 different accounting systems.
00:38:42.000And it's set so nobody knows what's going on.
00:39:16.000And there again, when you have wars, when you have endless wars, or you participate surreptitiously in war, you sow the seeds of the destruction of a nation.
00:39:29.000I mean, you look at the history of ancient Rome.
00:39:33.000Empire 800 bases, at least, around the world, Intelligence operatives everywhere, dictating policy in one place and another, you know, that's not what America was about, was supposed to be about.
00:39:48.000Yeah, I feel like they used the liberal economic order, which, you know, the military nestled in 1949, they set it up and they used the United States as the figurehead because it was the greatest and the wealthiest country on earth.
00:39:58.000Now, the reason it was... We were destroyed after World War II.
00:40:00.000We weren't destroyed, we were still powerful, but also because of the ethics of the state allowed us to become the most powerful, quickest, pivoting, moving, awesome place.
00:40:08.000But it's not built to be a war machine.
00:40:10.000It's a liberal, it's supposed to be a place of thoughts and ideas, and it became this place of power and destruction in a lot of ways, and control.
00:40:23.000These ideals don't function with militaristic autocracy.
00:40:28.000You know, I want to read something if I may.
00:40:30.000This is from a book called The Sorrows of Empire, Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic by Chalmers Johnson, who was also the author of Blowback.
00:40:59.000Chalmers Johnson writes, in my opinion, just a quote, the growth of militarism, official secrecy, and a belief that the United States is no longer bound, as the Declaration of Independence so famously puts it, quote, by a decent respect for the opinions of mankind, is probably irreversible so he's saying this growth of militarism official secrecy is irreversible a revolution be required to bring the pentagon back under democratic control or to abolish the central intelligence agency or even a contemplate enforcing article 1 section 9 clause 7 of the constitution
00:41:38.000Which says, no money shall be drawn from the treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law and a regular statement in account of the receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
00:41:51.000So, you know, what's happening is the people are largely unaware of how their money is being spent.
00:41:56.000It's being generally wasted or stolen.
00:42:01.000During the Iraq war, The Coalition Provisional Authority needed money to run their operation.
00:42:10.000A call was made to the Philadelphia Mint, who printed $10 billion in $100 bills, shrink-wrapped into bundles of $75,000 each, put on skids, and sent to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad.
00:42:34.000I mean, this is, you know, the money, it's like... Well, we're hearing the same thing with Ukraine now.
00:42:40.000That large portions of the money sent over there is unaccounted for.
00:42:42.000Well, General Smedley Butler said... That's my dude, let's talk about the business plot, go!
00:42:49.000Yeah, yeah, he said war is a racket, and it is a racket, and it's a racket which takes the tax dollars of the American people and just blows it.
00:42:57.000People, you know, make, like bandits, Or either in the defense industry, or they just stuff the money in their pockets.
00:43:04.000And so, God knows where that money goes once it goes abroad.
00:43:08.000And is there a way you can advise us on how we can start a defense contractor so that we can get some of this money?
00:44:08.000I'm just, I just don't want a liberal, a world economic fascist, you know, technocracy.
00:44:16.000Well, we've moved towards a one world econotechnic system, but look, instead of one great war, which we could still have for those who are interested in war, if you're out there and you want a great war, we've got people in our government right now who are looking to expand war in the Middle East, Looking to expand a war with Russia and would love to have a war with China over Taiwan.
00:44:39.000Now, I would submit that while we haven't had the Great War again, we've had what the writer Celine would call death on the installment plan.
00:45:45.000It's like the US has been the belligerent No, because you're talking about stuff that is really, especially when you're talking about World War I and World War II, it's really focused in Europe.
00:45:55.000Like, what happened with World War I was like the end of, like, feudalism and figuring out which way, like, a lot of the former kingdoms were gonna go.
00:46:03.000And then World War II was, you know, arguably because of the way that the Treaty of Versailles treated Germany after World... I mean, we didn't have to have World War II.
00:46:12.000We didn't need I would clarify that and say I think that was how Hitler was able to rally people by saying, oh look at us, we victims.
00:46:26.000I suppose you couldn't have, just generally speaking, probabilistic without the Treaty of Versailles, but I'm reluctant just to say it was Treaty of Versailles that led to World War II explicitly.
00:46:55.000As much as post-World War II, yes, because the U.S.
00:47:00.000was left really standing after Europe just annihilated itself.
00:47:03.000Decimated after World War II, you know.
00:47:06.000So I think that the global order that the U.S.
00:47:09.000kind of established in resistance to the Warsaw Pact, that definitely was the U.S.
00:47:13.000But when it comes to like World War I and the first half of the 20th century, I mean, that was a lot of change from feudal systems and older systems, you know, coming into essentially basically catching up to countries that started the Industrial Revolution earlier than they did.
00:47:31.000And I just want to say, you said we didn't really have the wars after the liberal economic order and all that.
00:47:52.000It was, Henry Kissinger called it limited war.
00:47:54.000A lot of it is like, you don't want to bomb the capital of the enemy, you don't want to bomb Moscow, you don't want him in Washington, so you fight in these proxies.
00:48:29.000We could be with sticks and stones right now.
00:48:32.000What we're talking about is if there was nuclear proliferation and so granted there was a nuclear proliferation because of the United States and the Warsaw Pact but the United States and the Warsaw Pact had all sorts of proxy wars going on whether it be Charlie Wilson and and the CIA's war against the the Russians in Afghanistan in the 80s or whether it be any number of other Proxy wars or u.s.
00:48:58.000Involvement in local local wars or whatever that that stuff has been Consistent since the end of the world war my question I guess for you Dennis is like if we were to dispel the liberal economic order because they want to make a new world order They're tired of this liberal one.
00:49:12.000They want to make this new world order They keep talking about since the 90s Is there a way to do it, make the world more peaceful?
00:49:18.000But I'm not just talking about peace, because if you completely obliterate the surface of Earth, there will be peace.
00:49:23.000That's not the kind of peace I'm looking for.
00:49:24.000Actually, you were mentioning the World Health Organization and sovereignty.
00:49:28.000I want to talk about that in a minute, but I'll put a bookmark on that.
00:49:32.000Do you think there's an evolution of world order that could be much more peaceful?
00:49:36.000Much more liberty-minded, freedom-minded, with U.S.
00:49:42.000Well, let's look at where we are in the United States right now, economically.
00:49:46.000Remember, I offered the observation that you have to have, that unless you're secure economically, it's going to be very difficult to be able to protect political freedoms.
00:50:59.000The economic pressures that are on American families right now are extraordinary.
00:51:05.000And in this period, The FISA extension arises, okay?
00:51:13.000People are riveted to their own economic well-being, and I'm saying that with the economy being difficult for very many Americans right now, there is an erosion of political liberty simultaneously.
00:51:29.000I've visualized evolving our fuel system, because I think a lot of it relies on the cost is going up with the fuel.
00:51:36.000And so if we could incorporate hydrogen fuel, I've talked to this graphene scientist, Jim Tuer out of Rice University, said that our methane production lines, you can transport hydrogen fuel through them.
00:51:45.000And so they figured out how to make hydrogen and actually make money.
00:51:48.000Rather than spending money to make hydrogen, they'll They'll take carbon trash, they put it in a vacuum and hit it with electricity, 7,000 degrees, they pulse it with this thing called a flash jewel.
00:51:57.000Let me finish this off for Dennis really quick.
00:51:58.000And then it gives off hydrogen fuel and you get a byproduct of this stuff called graphene.
00:52:02.000It's black powder, pure carbon, you can use it for building materials.
00:52:06.000Are there technological evolutions coming along that would change the source of people's energy?
00:52:42.000I want to keep using the oil and turning it into graphene.
00:52:45.000So we keep using, we can even improve, we can increase our oil production and increase our coal production and turn it into this stuff.
00:52:50.000Right now we have all of the technology to solve all of our power problems currently exists and they're using it in France.
00:52:59.000You can look at the way that France takes care of their power problems and the way that Germany takes care of their power problems and you see a significant difference because France in the 70s or whatever, was it 70s when they started doing the nuclear program?
00:53:12.000France went nuclear in the 70s and when everything was kicking off with Ukraine and everyone was talking about the pipeline that got blown up and stuff.
00:53:40.000But the United States has been implementing policies, making it extremely difficult to open up new nuclear power plants.
00:53:49.000And if we change that, We can greatly decrease any of the negative effects of significant increases in gas prices or oil prices because oil is going to be something that we need all the time because oil is in everything we make, everything we use.
00:54:27.000And you have to consider energy return on energy invested and how that relates to population expansion as well as population sustainability.
00:54:35.000So, if for every unit of energy, calorie I suppose, that is required to extract oil, I'm going to give a total hypothetical because I don't know the actual, it's called EROEI, Energy Return on Energy Invested.
00:54:47.000Let's say that for every one unit of energy you invest, you get back ten with oil.
00:54:53.000That means one person working is gonna help produce enough energy to sustain ten people.
00:54:59.000These numbers aren't real, I'm just saying.
00:55:01.000Now, with all other fuel sources, I think nuclear energy is actually better than oil.
00:55:06.000Well, the issue is with something like hydrogen, if the energy invested is like one to three, you absolutely could implement a new energy system, but if its energy density is still not comparable to oil or nuclear, then this will result in an energy deficit.
00:55:20.000Or if it was a thousandth of a cost, it may only be three times the benefit, but it would cost you- That's literally what I just said.
00:55:25.000Cost is a reference to how much energy a person needs to put into a system to get energy back from it.
00:55:31.000And if the cost for oil is one to 10, but for hydrogen is one to three, then you are talking about sustainability issues where you're investing in something that generates less energy.
00:55:41.000Except you actually get money out of making hydrogen.
00:55:48.000What we're talking about is, at the root of what is money backed by, we're talking about energy, and energy comes in multiple forms.
00:55:56.000So, energy, when humans lived in caves and in fields, energy is human output.
00:56:02.000If a human eats food, how much energy can a human produce?
00:56:05.000Humans then said, okay, we're gonna take animals, then took animals, and now all of a sudden, you can invest energy as a human into taming a beast, but that beast can now pull ten times
00:56:14.000So, instead of one person lifting a rock, one person tames a beast who lifts a rock.
00:56:20.000Then we started burning things with wood, then coal.
00:56:23.000Energy density started increasing, and the energy return on energy invested started going up exponentially.
00:56:30.000We discover petroleum and how to start manipulating this to gasoline and other petrochemicals and all of a sudden energy return on energy invested skyrockets like one to a hundred and this results in of course massive population boom because now one person can produce enough food for a hundred people.
00:56:47.000If you were to switch off that system and go to a lower energy density, it correlates
00:58:30.000Photovoltaic yeah, I mean so fair enough, but but but it doesn't matter so much how you're storing the energy It's how you're producing it because I mean you can the nuclear power that we had that we can produce right we don't have in the u.s.
00:58:44.000But the types of nuclear power that we can produce that we have the tech But currently the technology exists to produce can absolutely take care of all of our problems and the tech again the technology is there So really the only thing holding it up is like the EPA or the actual is you all is the EPA that does nuclear?
00:59:00.000nuclear or is it the atomic energy? But it's the it's US regulation, right?
00:59:04.000What would you say would be the first step? Let me just say that you know I'm
00:59:09.000familiar with and interacted with debates on many different types of
00:59:15.000energy. With respect to nuclear, the first plant in the US I think was in 51, 52 in Michigan.
00:59:26.000The technology that has developed has not come to the point of where, what do you do with the spent fuel rocks?
00:59:36.000This is something that they haven't really figured out other than they keep them in place, okay?
00:59:42.000That's the off-put and the economics remain ...variable and somewhat difficult to negotiate because when nuclear was first developed it was supposed to provide energy too cheap to meter and in some cases it drove up the cost.
01:00:00.000We have, I think, about over 90 or more nuclear plants in America.
01:00:07.000Many of them are operating past their stage of licensure.
01:00:11.000The reactor vessels become embrittled when they are moving past that stage, which then brings up some safety issues.
01:00:20.000Now, there's been... France, for example... Did I allend that correctly, though?
01:00:26.000France used smaller reactors and provided... and were integrated across the country.
01:00:37.000You know, to me, I haven't been a fan, frankly, of nuclear energy, but it's part of the energy mix.
01:01:00.000If we're going to use nuclear, we have to make sure it's safe.
01:01:04.000If we're going to use hydrocarbon energy, we have, we've got to make sure that certain steps are taken to try to minimize environmental damage.
01:01:15.000I mean, that's our responsibility as stewards of the earth.
01:01:21.000What I think, we want to encourage innovation and research to take us to energy which will have a lower impact but at the same time be able to produce a greater degree of energy per unit.
01:01:38.000Now, you know, there's smarter people than I am that are looking at ways to do that.
01:01:45.000But, you know, the thing that I'm most concerned about is when we have made as a matter of national strategy in the united states to wed our state policy and our pentagon policy with our energy policy which then makes the control of energy markets part of our political direction using military
01:02:15.000That's a problem and that sets us on the path towards war.
01:02:22.000There's no one who can convince me that oil wasn't one of the reasons why we knocked off Saddam Hussein.
01:02:34.000There's no one who can convince me that oil wasn't one of the factors in knocking off Gaddafi.
01:02:43.000Oil remains a major issue in the Middle East and relationships are built around access to oil.
01:02:52.000People look the other way when international law is being violated.
01:03:02.000So, you know, this is a very complex argument, and I like to go back to, you know, is there a way that any one of us can lessen our carbon footprint and do our part and not deprive future generations of whatever we have left?
01:03:22.000So it was nuclear, but surprisingly, hydroelectric is one of the highest Interesting, but it's not a fuel source.
01:03:29.000That's the problem with these base stations.
01:03:31.000They're great, but the fuel... We figured out how to pull the carbon dioxide out of the air and turn it into graphene, which is a building material.
01:03:38.000This thing, you can make electronics out of it.
01:03:50.000No, like graphene polymer, lithium graphene batteries.
01:03:53.000So, uh, by putting a graphene layer through the battery, it's very conductive, and it allows a more even and rapid charge.
01:04:01.000So, ten years ago, when I was working in field journalism, I'd have to buy these batteries from the electronics store, these big batteries that you could plug into the wall, and it would take two hours to charge it to full.
01:04:11.000But that battery could hold ten cell phone charges.
01:04:15.000So if I had three of those, I could run my cell phone all day.
01:04:21.000Now what they have are these graphene, lithium graphene batteries, which can hold... We bought a bunch.
01:04:28.000One little battery holds two full cell phone charges, and it can charge in ten minutes.
01:04:33.000So you pull this thing out of the drawer and you go, oh, I forgot to charge it.
01:04:35.000You plug it in, 10 minutes, boom, you got two full cell phone charges.
01:04:38.000Your phone doesn't charge nearly as fast, but that's just one simple example.
01:04:42.000They're using graphene in batteries, and I imagine it's gonna advance into smart cars, or into electric cars.
01:04:49.000And so we may come to the point where you pull up your electric car, it's at 10%, you pull up to a gas pump now to get rid of, you know, if gas out of the picture, you plug it in and you watch the battery go, My pants are made of like 10% graphene, these pants are spandex and graphene.
01:05:05.000It's a building, it's more electrically conductive than copper, it's stronger than steel by weight, by 200 times stronger than steel by weight.
01:05:13.000It's what it is, it looks like a honeycomb, it's a two-dimensional honeycomb lattice of carbon.
01:05:17.000So okay, so where is it, you know, how is that produced, what you just There's multiple ways to make it out of the carbon dioxide.
01:05:24.000One of them is called chemical vapor deposition, and you would do that by taking like a strip of copper in a vacuum and putting gas in there.
01:05:50.000And what's going to happen is people are going to adopt this, and then they're going to start pulling so much carbon dioxide out of the air that we may end up competing with trees and destroying our ecosystem if we're not careful.
01:05:58.000So we need to do a global coalition to clean up our atmosphere.
01:06:25.000And then they're going to go to Ian and be like, these graphene industrialists are destroying the planet and they're causing super cooling.
01:06:31.000And then some hippie guy in a show is going to be like, there's this new substance which replenishes the carbon in the atmosphere, I'm telling you it's the way to go, we have to do it now!
01:06:39.000And then someone else is going to be like, dude, every time there's a crisis of invention, someone invents something to solve the crisis.
01:07:27.000towards dealing with the challenges of high levels of atmospheric carbon.
01:07:33.000And I mean this is something that needs to be done nationally and I think we're on a threshold of more and more people being involved in that.
01:07:42.000Let's do a complete 180 and talk about this from SCNR.
01:07:46.000West Virginia, Mississippi to defy three-year-old voter access executive order from Biden.
01:07:53.000West Virginia Secretary of State said, we will emphatically not give up our state's duty to register voters to the federal government, nor will we accept voter registration forms collected by federal agents.
01:08:14.000I forget her name, but it was, uh, Shane Childred retweeted it.
01:08:17.000Well, one of you find it, and then I'll read this.
01:08:19.000This is an executive order from March 7th, 2021, which says, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution of the United States of America, I hereby order as follows.
01:08:28.000The right to vote is a foundation of American democracy.
01:08:30.000Free and fair elections that reflect the will of the people must be protected and defended.
01:08:33.000But many Americans, especially people of color, confront significant obstacles to exercising that fundamental right.
01:08:37.000These obstacles include difficulties with voter registration, lack of elected information, and barriers to access polling places.
01:08:47.000He says the head of each agency shall evaluate ways in which the agency can, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, promote voter registration and voter participation.
01:08:56.000The effort shall include the consideration of ways to provide relevant information, facilitate seamless transition of agencies' websites, distributing voter registration and vote-by-mail ballot application forms, and providing access to applicable state online, yada yada.
01:09:11.000Where it gets really interesting is, I believe, Section 5.
01:09:16.000Whether consistent with applicable law, any identity documents issued by the agency to members of the public can be issued in a form that satisfies state voter identification laws.
01:09:28.000To simplify, agency is defined legally in this executive order as any federal executive office, except a couple of them, but for the most part, any one of them.
01:09:39.000This executive order says agencies will start sending out voter registration forms and mail-in voting applications to people in various states, and then it will help them produce IDs to get them to vote.
01:09:51.000This is the federal government directly intervening in state-level registration processes.
01:09:56.000It was Dancing Okapi that brought it up.
01:10:00.000Texas said, when the Social Security Administration released these huge numbers every other week, hundreds of thousands of people registering to vote without IDs, Texas says, we have no idea what you're talking about, this is not true.
01:10:14.000It may be the federal government collecting these IDs, and that makes me substantially more concerned these are illegal immigrants that are registering to vote.
01:10:22.000And I didn't think that at first, when we saw, let me pull up the HAVV, So, this is the Help America Vote Verification.
01:10:51.000It may be, and again, not sure, but if Texas is saying, their Secretary of State said, we do not know what this number is, it's clearly an error.
01:10:59.000Or it could be, the federal government has been registering people to vote, and taking those forms, and requesting information from the SSA to verify the numbers are in the database.
01:11:10.000It may be the federal government has not yet delivered these registrations to the state, which is where we end up with this story from SCNR, when West Virginia says, we will not accept voter registration forms collected by federal agents.
01:11:23.000It may be that they've collected millions and have not yet turned them into the state.
01:11:28.000Well, let's go back to the Constitution.
01:11:32.000Earlier we had a discussion about how the Fourth Amendment is being violated by FISA and how FISA ought to be struck down because the Fourth Amendment has to take precedence.
01:11:46.000Now here, we're looking at the Tenth Amendment.
01:11:49.000And, well, those who watch your show are familiar with it.
01:11:55.000Again, the Tenth Amendment, adopted the same year that the Fourth Amendment was, the Bill of Rights, in 1791.
01:12:02.000The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
01:12:14.000This is an area that the states are responsible for.
01:12:18.000The federal government doesn't have a proper role in this.
01:12:23.000And so West Virginia and Mississippi are insisting on the 10th Amendment rights that the states have.
01:12:33.000I don't want to see, you know, Social Security is one thing, but I don't want to see anything that's tantamount to a national identification card.
01:13:13.000I don't want to... I know they're moving towards that in order to be able to use, to travel by air, for example.
01:13:20.000But, you know, I just want to say that this, to me, a national ID card, demanding it across the country, I find that the government, once again, gaining too much power I interrupted you, Tim.
01:14:23.000They're actually removing ATMs, as far as I can tell, according to the news.
01:14:26.000A thousand, I don't know how many, but from eastern... Well, if you eliminate cash, and then you move to, let's say, a federal... Digital currency.
01:14:57.000But, you know, starting with the creation of Federal Reserve, which privatized the money supply and put the banks in charge of it.
01:15:02.000It's interesting, the same year was when the government created the federal income tax.
01:15:10.000So it used to be that the government could meet its needs without going into debt.
01:15:14.000Then the government created debt, and money became debt, and the income tax was a way of retiring it, and then you have people who are paying their money into a system, and it requires more and more taxes to feed this growing military machine.
01:15:31.000So what I'm getting at is that we have a moment of reckoning coming in the United States over who are we as a nation.
01:15:41.000You know, if you go back to, as I mentioned earlier, go back to the Declaration of Independence, it's very clear that right at the beginning Jefferson said, look, you know, we have a right to change the kind of government we have and just because this is basically the form that we've had for all these years doesn't mean it's not time to inspect the basic terms under which this government exists and that we not
01:16:09.000Be forced to accept as it's evolving in a direction which denies our constitutional rights that have been around for hundreds of years and which puts us as widgets in a larger machine.
01:16:24.000I'm, you know, and it deals with our money.
01:16:27.000And the impact of the Federal Reserve on the creation of debt with their being able to create money out of nothing and give it to institutions like banks that therefore create a wider wealth gap in the country.
01:16:44.000It goes to the government not having any fiscal integrity and pyramiding the debt past $34 trillion.
01:16:52.000It goes to the way in which government spends the money it has.
01:17:59.000And it might even seem Pollyannish when I say this, but the country that I have intentionally in my head, Is not the country that actually exists today.
01:18:12.000And so how do we put a vision of the country of our dreams together with the country that is?
01:18:35.000Well, Franklin Roosevelt talked about the science of human relations, and I'll tell you what it is.
01:18:41.000As I said, I served 16 years in Congress.
01:18:46.000Members of Congress have to treat each other as individuals, not as members of a party, not as liberal conservative or whatever, and that is failing to happen.
01:18:56.000So political parties gain power through polarization.
01:19:04.000People want some inside view of Congress.
01:19:07.000So if you're a Democrat, you go to your Democratic caucus meetings and they talk about three things.
01:19:13.000They talk about raising money, the latest polls, and how bad the Republicans are.
01:19:24.000Now here's the difference between the two parties.
01:19:27.000The Republicans talk about, in their conference, talk about Raising money, the latest polls, and how bad the Democrats are.
01:19:37.000It's the difference between the two parties.
01:19:40.000The two parties engage in this polarization in order to gain power and to gain control.
01:19:45.000The reason why I want to go to Congress is to create an opening here that changes the discussion and shows people there's another path.
01:19:54.000That shows people we can address each other as individuals and not just as exponents of a political ideology or party.
01:20:03.000And you don't do it by judging people.
01:20:05.000It's the worst thing that happens in Congress when people start to judge each other by virtue of a label or ideology and don't get to know each other as individuals.
01:20:13.000You know, in some ways it's like a big high school.
01:20:15.000Democrats on one side, Republicans on the other.
01:20:18.000Well, imagine if one Independent was there who had an approach that wasn't polarizing, that looked for the commonalities.
01:20:26.000Because we do have a lot in common as Americans.
01:20:36.000I think that puts you squarely on the right.
01:20:39.000So the world we're living in, I grew up Chicago liberal, and now the media endlessly calls me far-right, even though I'm a traditional Democrat pro-choice.
01:20:48.000I am not libertarian on taxes or police.
01:20:55.000On the political compass, I'm probably, and based on actual more philosophies, described as traditional or social liberal, not classical liberal, but leaning libertarian.
01:21:07.000So me saying things like, oh yeah, this country's had problems with racist institutions, and now the solution is rooted in class and not race, that's a right-wing position.
01:21:18.000Meanwhile, at the same time, you have people on the right who are completely opposed to everything I just said, staunch pro-life individuals who will come on this show, shake hands with me, break bread with me, and I've had crazy heated arguments.
01:21:30.000With people who are staunchly pro-life.
01:21:32.000A good friend of ours, Seamus Coghlan, in fact, who's coming, he'll be back here in about a week, is absolutist pro-life, ban abortion in all capacities.
01:21:40.000And we disagree, and we hang out, we get along, and we have a shared vision of, despite this agreement, finding a compromise.
01:21:46.000Then we bring in a progressive, a liberal or a democrat, and they call me pro-life.
01:21:51.000Even though my position is the traditional, probably closer to like the Roe v. Wade position, Then anything else doesn't matter.
01:22:08.000Joe Biden saying at the I believe was it was it was a council on foreign relations meeting where he's sitting down and he says, I went to the prosecutor and said, if you don't, I'm sorry, I went to the president said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, knocking the billion dollars.
01:22:21.000You bring that to a Democrat and they say, that never happened.
01:22:25.000And I'm like, well here's the video of it happening.
01:22:26.000I'm not a conservative, I'm just... And they say, you're a conservative for believing that.
01:22:31.000I don't understand how we could find reconciliation.
01:22:35.000Or the common ground stuff's fairly obvious, like we all agree, hey Julian Assange shouldn't be prosecuted.
01:22:40.000There are some establishment pro-war people.
01:22:43.000But then it comes to issues like war, for instance.
01:22:48.000And I say something like, if you are anti-war, your best bet right now, functionally, is Donald Trump.
01:22:54.000You don't have to like Donald Trump, you don't have to think he's got a domestic policy, but if your core principles are war is bad, Even, even Dave Smith, staunch libertarian, uh, who was potentially going to be a libertarian candidate, says, no, Trump is bad on war, he was increasing drone strikes, he was reducing transparency, and then I made the point, and he still set a timeline for withdrawing out of, getting out of Afghanistan, he still set a timeline, uh, he tried to get our troops out of Syria, was lied to, and even Dave Smith says, man, like, the incremental argument is correct.
01:23:23.000Donald Trump was better, no new wars, there were still problems with foreign policy, but better than all the rest.
01:23:30.000You'll still get Democrats and liberals who are anti-war but would support the Clintons, Joe Biden, expansion of war in Ukraine, and they would justify it.
01:23:41.000I love saying his name because of how it freaks them out.
01:23:44.000But he simultaneously holds the position that the military-industrial complex is bad, but that we should also be funding them to fight a war in Ukraine.
01:23:52.000There's just a fracture of worldview that I don't think can be mended because it seems to be rooted in, do you believe the corporate narrative or do you believe the truth?
01:24:02.000And if you believe the truth, then you are right-wing.
01:24:05.000And if you believe the corporate narrative, you are left-wing.
01:24:07.000So it's not even a function of your political values anymore.
01:24:10.000I think over the years any one of us, you know, I will tell you the things that I'm talking about today are pretty much the things I've been talking about throughout my political career.
01:24:20.000Now, years ago I may have been labeled one way and now today I may be labeled another.
01:24:30.000You know, in the House of Representatives, Above the floor of the house, there's a canopy of a very large eagle spread with its wings spread across the floor, you know, across the house.
01:24:47.000And whenever I look at it, I'm reminded that that American eagle needs two wings to fly, okay?
01:24:54.000And it also needs a heart and a brain.
01:25:00.000And so I hope to be able to bring a perspective that respects the views of everyone, but tries to find the connective tissue that keeps us together as a nation, tries to appeal to our heart and to our head as well.
01:25:17.000But to me, based on modern politics, it sounds like you're just a Republican.
01:25:23.000That pitch, which I respect completely, and I think an independent Congress could be tremendously powerful and effective, I still think the end result is your position is still going to be viewed as right-wing.
01:25:38.000The argument that we get from progressive activists, and not so much your typical Democrat, they tend to be more establishment, corporatist, but so are the Republicans.
01:25:50.000But when it comes to the younger activist base, and this is where we're heading with the splitting, the polarization is very much based in demographic, If you are not with us, you're against us.
01:26:02.000If you are a centrist, you're actually right-wing.
01:26:06.000A common trope of the left is to criticize anybody who's saying what you are doing as someone who is right-wing.
01:26:15.000The example being there's a meme where there's the Klan and black people on each side.
01:26:21.000And the Klan is saying, holding up signs saying they want to kill black people, and the black people are saying we just want civil rights, and the centrist in the middle is holding up a sign saying compromise.
01:26:31.000That's not what, obviously, an independent or a moderate is trying to do.
01:26:35.000We're trying to say, oh, the people on the right are concerned about the border, the people on the left are concerned about asylum seekers, where's the compromise?
01:26:42.000But there's a reason why a show like this, which is wide-ranging in political views, it's 80% conservatives who come on the show.
01:27:10.000But she was completely ignorant on a whole wide range of issues that she was advocating for.
01:27:14.000For instance, when the issue of censorship came up in books in schools, she said, I think it's wrong the Republicans are trying to get these books out of schools.
01:27:33.000Now that you do, you're probably going to agree with us these books are bad, and when we say school curriculum should not include graphic sexual depictions for children, teaching them how to do horrible things, you'll probably agree with us.
01:27:46.000But then that would mean she's a conservative now, she's abandoned that left position.
01:27:50.000We bring on someone else who's, say, a progressive, who's more of an activist than, say, like a middle-of-the-road Marianne Williamson, and they say things like, a woman should be allowed to get an abortion at the point of birth.
01:28:01.000I don't see a... But that's what Colorado has.
01:28:05.000Colorado has passed a bill removing all restrictions, meaning abortion can be performed at the point of birth.
01:28:10.000They call them partial... And of course, the left always argues, that never happens, that never happens.
01:28:16.000Sure, but why make it legal, as rare as it may be?
01:28:20.000But this is a practice where, quite literally, as the baby is being born, they cut the spinal column, killing it.
01:28:26.000You had the statement from former Governor Northam of Virginia, where he said, in response to a similar bill introduced by a state representative, or a state senator, a legislator, the baby would be delivered, made comfortable, and then the parent, the doctor, could decide what to do with it.
01:28:42.000As if to imply, the baby was already delivered, and then you would decide to kill it.
01:28:48.000Oklahoma, on the other hand, has completely banned abortion in every capacity, or to a great degree.
01:28:53.000Now you have Arizona, of course, upholding their law, which bans abortion in almost every capacity.
01:29:23.000And we even have super chats, people commenting, saying Trump has abandoned the issue.
01:29:29.000I fear that you'll find yourself between Republicans and Democrats, and the Republicans are going to say something like abortion is murder and should be banned, and the Democrats are going to say a woman has a right to choose at any point, even the point of birth.
01:29:44.000You know, I know these are typically like hypercultural or wedge issues, but these tend to be the deep cultural issues that are, I suppose, taking the forefront of people's lives.
01:29:56.000Now, obviously, immigration is the much bigger issue.
01:30:06.000Donald Trump, build the wall, secure the border.
01:30:09.000Joe Biden, we're going to effectively codify the administration of crossing the border without checkpoint.
01:30:17.000The bill that they proposed, which Biden referred to as a border security bill, and then duplicitously said on TV, would strengthen the border.
01:30:26.000Would actually just allow CBP to adjudicate many of these claims on their own.
01:30:29.000It would, in essence, create a streamlined path for the people who are entering the country illegally.
01:30:35.000Now you have Democrats in Chicago, New York, and other big cities very upset over this massive outpouring and surge of illegal immigrants in the country.
01:30:47.000But the typical younger progressive and left-leaning position is, let them do it.
01:30:57.000We have one story we didn't get into, but a Venezuelan illegal immigrant tried to rob, they say, according to this report, he's an illegal immigrant, tried to rob a bank, couldn't speak English.
01:31:06.000We're seeing, you know, crime, typically the Lake and Riley murder, for instance.
01:31:14.000How do you reconcile two distinctly opposed, hyper-polarized worldviews?
01:32:11.000Let me try a difficult question for you.
01:32:14.000We've had this question asked many times and I'll keep it simple.
01:32:19.000Do you believe an unborn baby is a person?
01:32:27.000Metaphysically, but the metaphysics are not necessarily enshrined in the law, and the law has provided, state by state, the point at which an abortion can be executed.
01:32:44.000Let's go back into another question of what I think.
01:32:47.000Would I ever counsel anyone to have an abortion?
01:32:51.000The answer to that is no, I would not.
01:32:54.000But so, to get to the root of where I'm going with this, it's not necessarily about your personal politics, but it's a question of, so your position is the states will adjudicate... Well, I'll go one step further, that there's a point at which a woman and her doctor have to make a decision, but I'm not for telling anyone you just want to have an abortion, go ahead.
01:33:14.000I think that we need a culture Which is sensitive to life, which I think we ought to have prenatal care, postnatal care, child care.
01:33:29.000Things that make it possible for a life to blossom.
01:33:33.000But are there certain circumstances in which you think it is the choice of the woman and discussing with her doctor whether to have an abortion or not?
01:33:42.000I consider myself to be like the traditional Democrat pro-choice, which is probably like I was saying before the show, like my family, they were big fans of yours back in the day.
01:33:56.000Our belief is not where I'm going with this.
01:33:57.000Where I'm going with this is Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which in the secondary clause it says, No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws.
01:34:19.000So, the 14th Amendment says you can't deprive a person of life, liberty, or property without due process.
01:34:24.000Pro-lifers, people who oppose abortion, unequivocally believe that babies are persons.
01:34:30.000That they are distinct human beings who should not be killed.
01:34:34.000Now, we can have an argument about viability, and this was a big point of Roe v. Wade, at what point is the baby dependent upon the mother and then viable and able to survive on its own?
01:34:45.000The question then becomes, when it comes to abortion, with many blue states legalizing up to the point of birth unrestricted abortion at any point based on a private decision, the question I often ask the progressives and the Democrats is, why kill the baby?
01:35:00.000If a woman is eight months pregnant, and then the response is, it's rare, it's rare, it's rare.
01:35:19.000Ultimately, what I'm getting to with this is, There is no compromise at the state level for when a person is allowed to kill a person, right?
01:35:29.000This is not something the states can answer.
01:35:31.000I disagree with the right on the state's rights question.
01:35:34.000I initially, when they were coming towards overturning Roe v. Wade, thought maybe it is better that it'll be at the state level so that we can have this Federalist view of the states will do what they want.
01:35:44.000And then I actually started reading a bit more about it.
01:35:46.000Seamus made some good arguments about abortion, and I said, at this point, my position is the Supreme Court must issue a ruling on whether or not the unborn are persons.
01:35:58.000Because we are dealing now with a constitutional question of, can a state decide when to kill a person without due process?
01:36:06.000The question at hand is, are the unborn persons?
01:36:09.000That needs to be answered by the federal government, not the states.
01:36:12.000The idea to me that Colorado can say, they're not people, and then just kill them, is too akin to slavery.
01:36:17.000Well, if the Supreme Court gets to that point, it would have the same impact that Roe v. Wade had had.
01:36:27.000And that's why, I don't know if I completely agree with the ruling on Roe v. Wade, because it basically just Allowed for abortion to happen in certain like it basically made states that didn't want to have it have to have it.
01:36:41.000And so but there is still an issue of.
01:36:44.000The root of this is not the abortion argument.
01:36:45.000The root of this is, you have many states where they are saying they are killing people, it is genocide.
01:36:54.000You have other states saying, no it's not, it's fine, they're not people.
01:36:59.000And we are now finding ourselves in a hyper-polarized position where in this country, for the second time, or maybe not even the second time but, You know, many times this happens, an argument between two dominant political factions as to whether a living entity is legally distinct as a person with legal rights under the Constitution.
01:37:16.000And the Democrat side argues, if you are not born, and this is up to the point of birth, I mean, Colorado is a great example, but we're looking at Washington, Oregon, these states, they're removing the restrictions saying, Even if the baby could survive on its own, it is still not a person so long it is within the mother and she does have a right to kill it.
01:37:35.000And then you have the red states going the other direction saying, we're just trying to ban abortion completely and at any point a baby cannot be killed.
01:37:43.000And so I don't know if that's the right answer, but the point is simply this.
01:37:47.000I don't know how we can reconcile this question of, does a state have a right to kill a living entity?
01:37:56.000Does a state have a right to argue whether a human life is alive or not alive or worthy of constitutional protections?
01:38:03.000I don't see an answer to that question.
01:38:40.000She can't get an abortion in Oklahoma, so she flees to Colorado, where the doctor says, and advocacy groups, and activists, and they provide guard for her, and they say, we will get you this abortion.
01:38:50.000The man then says, help, for the love of God, she's going to kill my child, please, someone won't you help me?
01:38:56.000And then we enter this hyper-polarized worldview, where the man says, it is a baby that can survive on its own, and she will kill it.
01:39:03.000And the woman says, no, it's a fetus in my womb.
01:39:06.000It doesn't matter that it can survive on its own.
01:39:08.000That seems to me like a recipe for disaster and something that cannot be reconciled.
01:39:12.000Well, you know, should there be reverence for life?
01:39:55.000She had the child and gave it up and years later met her son.
01:40:06.000Having experiences from a personal family level, I think we have to work to create a society that gives people the ability to make informed choices within the context of laws that support people at various positions of a pregnancy.
01:40:40.000And still do, except it's not the law anymore.
01:40:43.000But I think that we, I will say it again, that we need to create a condition where people feel they can be supported to bring pregnancies to term.
01:40:57.000If they can't handle it, we have to find a way to make sure that every child is wanted and that every child is able to blossom as an individual.
01:41:10.000Part of the problem, I think, with our culture is the contradictions with the violence that exists in our society that we haven't really dealt with, that it percolates over into how we treat each other and how we treat the unborn.
01:41:29.000And the violence that exists individually is writ large internationally.
01:41:37.000So I think, again, states are doing what they can within the right of states.
01:41:48.000I don't know, Tim, if we'll ever resolve this, if it is an issue that is going to be resolved nationally within legislatures, within a legislature.
01:42:00.000It may be another Supreme Court ruling will come along.
01:42:24.000So we're going to go to Super Chats, but I want to say one final thing on this.
01:42:27.000I used to think that Abortion could be akin to slavery in terms of civil war, but I don't think so anymore.
01:42:35.000Because I was thinking about the track that we're on, especially, and it's most recently with Trump saying, we're gonna let the states decide.
01:42:43.000It was a conversation we had the other night where I said, the Trump supporters who are recognizing the political nature of Trump's position, which is if you're for a federal ban, you will lose.
01:42:53.000Recognize that allowing the left to kill babies, at least in the short term, is worth the political victory in the long term.
01:43:00.000That is to say, they hope Trump may actually enact more restrictions if he does win.
01:43:04.000And I started thinking about that, and I said, there is an amount of babies the right is okay with being murdered.
01:43:09.000And I'm not saying that I think abortion is murder the same way they do.
01:43:11.000I'm saying in their worldview, abortion is murder.
01:43:14.000There is a certain amount of babies they're okay with being killed if it means they can win the political battle in the short term so that in the long term they can stop a greater evil, I suppose, a utilitarian argument.
01:43:24.000The reason why I would say now I don't think abortion could lead to something akin to the Civil War with slavery is because babies can't fight for themselves.
01:43:31.000And probably the straw in the camel's back for the Civil War was the fact that you had former slaves organizing with abolitionists.
01:43:40.000Today, it's pro-lifers who say abortion is murder, but then will say, yeah, but it's acceptable in certain capacity if it means we're going to win political victories.
01:43:50.000If you had a situation where there's a group of people that were being systematically killed, and they broke free and they escaped, started organizing, and let's say the argument for pro-life and pro-choice was not about the helpless.
01:44:03.000Let's say that the targets of this genocide were able-bodied, fully grown humans.
01:44:09.000In the states where they allow the killing of these people on a whim, at the discretion of, say, the mother, these individuals could escape, they could fight back, they would rally and organize with the pro-life factions in these red states, and that would actually give you a large political movement of people opposing it.
01:44:25.000But so long as babies can't actually do anything, and conservatives are willing to accept concessions to win the political argument, the elections, then I don't see abortion ever escalating to
01:44:45.000Yeah, babies can't fight back, so there will be no organizing to save babies.
01:44:50.000Just people who are upset that it's happening, but don't really want to... You know, it's like a former slave says, I know what this is like, and I will stop it.
01:44:57.000And brilliant people like Frederick Douglass, who... I believe he bought himself and his wife out of slavery.
01:45:05.000And so they know what they're fighting against, and they are principal organizers and great thinkers, but babies can't do that.
01:45:10.000You know, so you do have people who may have almost been aborted or their parents considered it, and there are failed abortions.
01:45:17.000But for the most part, it's adults who are just living their lives.
01:45:22.000So if you haven't already, please smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and let's see what you got!
01:45:29.000Robert De La Cruz says, where's Clint?
01:46:09.000I think people need to realize that... I can't remember who told us this, but you can probably speak to this more, Dennis.
01:46:15.000There are certain Republican members of Congress who live in districts where the principal economic driver is military-industrial complex.
01:46:24.000Well, it's not just certain Republicans.
01:46:27.000I will tell you that that military-industrial complex is embedded in every single district in America.
01:46:37.000And when the appropriation cycle begins, individuals from each district We'll visit the member of Congress and ask them to vote for the military appropriation, the Pentagon's appropriation.
01:46:55.000They call it defense but it's not defense.
01:46:57.000We were talking to someone and we asked like why is it that these deeply unpopular Republicans still win in their districts?
01:47:04.000And what we were told is like, so this particular district has like a manufacturing plant for a component for Boeing or something.
01:47:11.000These people are going to vote for the pro-war candidate every single time because it's their job.
01:47:16.000I mean, I knew a Republican, you know, he had been a former Democrat, Walter Jones from North Carolina, and he had a very large base in his district, and there was a point at which he consistently voted against the wars.
01:47:32.000So, you know, I'm I don't think that's the only variable, but does it have influence?
01:48:41.000And this one looks like it might matter.
01:48:45.000So go to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member at whatever level if you would like to help because we're likely just to have to start writing checks to lawyers.
01:48:56.000But this is what it's like to be in media.
01:50:04.000Like, back in the day, during the Ron Paul revolution, everybody I knew, because I'm in Chicago, was like, Dennis Kucinich.
01:50:10.000Dude, you guys would talk truth on the debate in 08.
01:50:13.000I mean, it was one of the most televised, hyped debates of all time with Obama, and you were up there just talking about the military-industrial complex.
01:51:25.000But those things that we've agreed on have had real impact in helping to build strength for peace and for civil liberties and for the Constitution.
01:51:39.000And those are things, if you start with that, you can settle a lot of things as Americans.
01:51:45.000And the fact that Ron and I have been able to work together Over the years and you know our relationship goes back now to 1997 so you know do the math.
01:51:55.000We've been together as friends for 27 years.
01:53:32.000But we knew it was only a matter of time.
01:53:34.000So, uh... No wonder he kept trying to escape after we murdered all his friends, that's so funny.
01:53:38.000No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:53:40.000He was escaping before we murdered his friends, and because he was escaping, we decided he was strong genes and would live.
01:53:45.000But, uh, he jumped out, as he would every day.
01:53:48.000But he walks around the yard, he doesn't go to the back, he doesn't go in the woods.
01:53:52.000He was, he was very close to our back door.
01:53:55.000And a predator came and annihilated him and the feathers are all strewn about everywhere.
01:54:00.000Anybody who knows anything knows you cannot have animals who are not scared of coming onto your property for a variety of reasons, so we have to trap it because this is something that's scared of humans.
01:54:10.000A wild animal, predator of some sort, presumably a raccoon or a fox or a coyote, that is not scared of people, in broad daylight, it was like at noon, Where everyone's here walking around working, came onto the property, very dangerous.
01:54:23.000Someone could get bit, so we're gonna trap it and then it will be legally, appropriately dealt with.
01:54:32.000So we have specialists, we're gonna call and- Relocate it.
01:54:38.000So, a company takes care of it, but I mean, there could also be rabies, there could be a variety of issues, so it has to be, you know, properly done with, I don't know, animal control perhaps.
01:55:26.000Good thing 731 says, when do we the people enact the rights granted to use by our founding fathers to alter or abolish the government when it becomes destructive to our rights?
01:55:38.000You file lawsuits, you convention of states, there's like a whole wide range of these things.
01:55:42.000And, um, well, I would say for now, file your lawsuits, file the challenges, register voters, and then let's, you know, see what happens in November if we do well.
01:56:02.000There's a lot of- I don't know, I'm just saying, I was like, it's meaningless, but what I mean is, I'm not saying I had a psychic vision, I'm saying, the other day when I woke up, and I was like putting on my contacts, I just had the image in my mind of us during the show in Martinsburg on November, and them saying, Donald Trump will be your 47th, and I was like, man, it just felt like that's the track we were on.
01:56:24.000So that's why I'm saying like, For the people who are concerned and think he's, you know, the path towards dealing with the corruption and everything, you have to vote.
01:56:39.000That's, you know, there's a lot of people that, like, talk about, like, uh, high energy responses on the internet, so they like to talk about getting all excited and stuff, when really the thing that they should do first is, like, actually make it to, like, vote in November, right?
01:56:56.000Like, because a lot of the people that Like to get, you know, loud on the internet and say volatile things or say inflammatory things.
01:57:06.000They're not voting for their congressman.
01:57:07.000They might go and vote for the president, but most people don't go and pay much attention.
01:57:13.000So a lot of people that, you know, talking about watering trees and stuff, maybe you should just go ahead and see what you can do.
01:57:47.000Because there was this funny story where a transgender satanist anarchist in New Hampshire ran as a Republican sheriff candidate and I believe won the primary, right?
01:58:00.000But it's because the Republicans didn't know anything about it.
01:58:02.000It's like, I don't care, Republican, you get my vote.
01:58:04.000And then found out it was a transgender anarchist satanist and got really mad.
01:58:08.000And I'm like, that's your fault, you voted for her.
01:58:10.000So, I think if we got rid of political parties on the ballot, you would get a lot of people who would look and be like, I don't know who these people are, so I'm not going to vote for one of them.
01:58:18.000And it would stop this... Like, the reason Nancy Pelosi keeps winning, even though she's deeply unpopular, well, it's because she's a Democrat.
01:58:26.000People say, I'm just gonna vote Democrat.
01:59:29.000That would vitiate the sovereignty of the United States of America.
01:59:33.000We wouldn't be able to make our own decisions about health care, about how to... This treaty that they're seeking would set off a whole new creation of... New bureaucracy?
01:59:50.000Well, no, what it'll do is it'll cause a proliferation of bioweapons because they're going to have gain-of-function research that'll be global, and the Biological Weapons Convention was supposed to stop that, so we're venturing into an era where not only is our sovereignty going to be wiped out the same way decisions were removed from the Congress by the World Trade Organization, but it's also going to result in the very pharmaceutical companies that are controlling a number of health care policies in this country to have global impact and to remove from the United States any ability to be able to make our decisions in the interest of Americans.
02:00:40.000And this is a, you know, I would urge everyone who's paying attention to this show, and you've got a very informed viewership and listenership, to look at this WHO treaty and contact your attorney general in your state and ask them to get involved, as some attorney generals are beginning to do, to block any agreement at a state level.
02:01:07.000One of the things that Dennis is talking about, James Lindsay, who's Conceptual James on Twitter, he's been talking about it as well.
02:01:13.000You can follow him, and he's got a bunch of posts referring to it.
02:01:54.000You know, thanks to you and the crew here for inviting me in.
02:01:59.000People want more information about the campaign, please go to Kucinich.com and we're going to keep people posted on what's going on now in America and what can happen that can be very positive.
02:02:10.000I have a very optimistic view of the future of America, but only if, you know, we all stay involved.
02:02:17.000And I appreciate that you have a very involved audience here.
02:02:21.000Well thank you for hanging out, and George, he was here, he said I think four words, but do you want to shout anything out?
02:02:26.000Well I've had the coolest front row seat of all time, so I'm with you listeners, nothing special tonight, just I'm G Prime, 85, the cartoonist, and I will be resuming cartoons in a few weeks, months, so stay tuned.
02:02:41.000We need to get a couple new ones for the new studio actually.
02:02:43.000Yeah, I'm gonna buy a nice big fat printer so I can Because you know what I was thinking?
02:02:47.000I love the one where Biden electrocutes people.