Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - GOP BETRAYS Voters ,Congress Approves FISA WARRANTLESS Spying w-Dennis Kucinich | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Peace out.

00:00:16.000 And by you, I'm of course talking to the deep state, not the American people.

00:00:18.000 My fellow Americans are the people in the intelligence agencies.

00:00:20.000 I'm trying to get on their good side because, you know, they just approved warrantless spying again.

00:00:25.000 And so, you know, I don't want to be on the short end of that stick.

00:00:28.000 In all seriousness, a lot of Republicans and conservatives are very upset because many Republicans voted in favor of renewing FISA and this warrantless spying.

00:00:38.000 So yeah, great.

00:00:39.000 Everybody's really pissed off.

00:00:40.000 We'll talk about that.

00:00:41.000 At the same time, Mike Johnson announced alongside Donald Trump that they are going to push forward with voter ID requirements for voting.

00:00:48.000 And at the same time, we have big news that several states are rejecting this executive order that Biden released back in 2021, was brought up to us on the TimCast members show, that allows, requires the federal government, various agencies, to register voters in various states and to provide for them a... I want to make sure I get the language right, but...

00:01:11.000 An adequate ID for those states.

00:01:14.000 Basically, it looks like the federal government is trying to stick its hand into voter registration, which is states' business, and several states are upset about this.

00:01:23.000 I don't know.

00:01:23.000 Shadow campaign, perhaps?

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00:04:23.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Dennis Kucinich.

00:04:28.000 How are you?

00:04:29.000 It's good to be here, Tim.

00:04:30.000 It's great to have you.

00:04:31.000 I'm wonderful.

00:04:32.000 How are you?

00:04:33.000 Good to be joining you in the studio with this group here.

00:04:33.000 Life's good.

00:04:38.000 And I felt it was very important to have an opportunity to have a chat with you and to reach out to your very large audience, which I'm sure is up to date on what's happening in the country and maybe ready to hear a point of view that Congress itself needs to hear.

00:04:58.000 Absolutely.

00:04:58.000 So, I assume everybody knows who you are, but do you want to give a quick background?

00:05:03.000 Sure.

00:05:03.000 I grew up in the city of Cleveland, the oldest of seven.

00:05:08.000 There's a poem, a poet by the name of Langston Hughes, he once wrote, Life for me ain't been no crystal stair.

00:05:15.000 And one never knows that the way you grow up, how it can be a blessing later.

00:05:21.000 But my family never owned a home.

00:05:24.000 We were renters, as a lot of Americans are right now.

00:05:27.000 And by the time I was 17, as a family grew to seven kids, two adults, we lived in 21 different places.

00:05:37.000 And so we moved from place to place, you know, like nomads in an urban environment.

00:05:42.000 And I learned a lot, not just about this city, but about people, about compassion, about how you never take a single day for granted.

00:05:54.000 Live every day with a grateful heart.

00:05:56.000 And I chose public service as an avocation, as a sense that my life doesn't belong just to me, that it belongs to community through service.

00:06:11.000 I think many people have that view, and there's so many different ways to serve.

00:06:15.000 I chose to serve in public, in government, so I've been a councilman.

00:06:21.000 I was very young when I was elected to city council in Cleveland.

00:06:25.000 I've served four terms in the city council.

00:06:28.000 I've been a clerk of courts, which is a judicial office in the city, mayor of Cleveland at age 31, the youngest mayor in the country.

00:06:36.000 Later on, State Senate, United States House of Representatives for 16 years, ran twice for president.

00:06:43.000 I've been fortunate to have a long career in public service, which has really given me some insight as to how, you know, as to the nature of government, what it should be doing, what it shouldn't be doing, and the potential to be of service to people, but also the fact that there are some areas of government ought to stay out of people's lives.

00:07:05.000 Well right on, and now you're running for Congress again.

00:07:08.000 Right.

00:07:09.000 I was redistricted out of my district in 2012, paradoxically enough by the Democrats in Columbus, Ohio, when I was a member of the Democratic Party.

00:07:25.000 Years later, Last year a new district was created which included half of my old constituency which I served, almost half of my old constituency which I served for 16 years.

00:07:39.000 I decided, given what's going on in the country and the world, that this was an important time to get back into it.

00:07:46.000 But in particular, because of the polarization that's going on, I thought, you know, I'm going to run as an independent.

00:07:55.000 I've had the ability to work with people on both sides of the aisle.

00:07:59.000 I did that when I was in Congress.

00:08:00.000 I didn't care what somebody's ideology was, what party they were.

00:08:03.000 I want to find out who they are as human beings.

00:08:05.000 And then from there, you build.

00:08:06.000 From there, you find ways to work together.

00:08:09.000 And so I was able to do that.

00:08:10.000 And so in running as an independent, there's a chance, Tim, that not only can I win, but there's a chance that I could be the only independent elected to the next Congress in a Congress that could be 217 Republicans.

00:08:26.000 217 Democrats and one Independent.

00:08:28.000 And I will tell you that I have the experience to understand how to use that for the benefit of the country, my constituents, and I'm preparing for that.

00:08:42.000 Well, this is going to be fun.

00:08:43.000 Thanks for hanging out.

00:08:44.000 We got GPrime85 as well.

00:08:45.000 M85 as well. He's still here. Yeah Well, I guess if anybody doesn't know my name is George

00:08:52.000 Alexopolis. I'm a political cartoonist by accident I was here earlier today doing pop culture crisis with Brett

00:08:58.000 and Mary So check that out later if you want to have a two and a

00:09:02.000 half hour screaming fest I 0.93

00:09:06.000 I yelled about Matt Walsh again.

00:09:08.000 So that was fun.

00:09:09.000 Because he doesn't like anime?

00:09:10.000 He doesn't like anime.

00:09:11.000 He calls it demonic and I'm not demonic.

00:09:13.000 He is wrong.

00:09:13.000 Well, I'm going to debate him one of these days.

00:09:15.000 But anyway, until then, it's an honor to be here.

00:09:18.000 I'm here to listen and learn and maybe ask some fun questions.

00:09:21.000 Alright.

00:09:22.000 And always fun to be here.

00:09:23.000 We got Phil hanging out.

00:09:23.000 There you go.

00:09:24.000 Hello, everybody.

00:09:25.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:09:26.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:09:28.000 I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:09:30.000 What's going on, Ian?

00:09:31.000 Oh, man, I was just thinking George Alexopoulos, Matt Walsh, Culture War, Anime Special.

00:09:35.000 Let's go hard.

00:09:36.000 I want to go on record as saying I'm in.

00:09:39.000 Okay, I'm in, man.

00:09:40.000 I love everything.

00:09:40.000 I love it.

00:09:40.000 So it's up to Matt now.

00:09:42.000 Dude, Dennis, you're like one of my favorite people.

00:09:44.000 Okay, that's a bit hyperbolic.

00:09:46.000 You are like the OG hardcore.

00:09:48.000 Like, you read the Patriot Act before they tried to pass it.

00:09:51.000 You voted against it, as far as I can tell.

00:09:53.000 Yeah, what happened is very interesting for people watching TimCast to learn about this.

00:10:01.000 Congress had about 10 hours of hearings over the Patriot Act, and then we took a break early in the evening.

00:10:09.000 When we came back onto the floor of the House, They put a different bill there that was much larger.

00:10:17.000 They swapped it out.

00:10:19.000 They eliminated what was called the enactment clause, put a new bill in front of the Congress, which no one read except maybe some staff.

00:10:29.000 I spent about an hour and a half at the clerk's desk Riffling through the bill, reading as fast as I could, and what I found out is it expanded government powers in an extraordinary way.

00:10:39.000 It gave government the ability to spy on people, to look at their bank records, their health records, their education records, their library.

00:10:49.000 I mean, some of this has been amended out.

00:10:53.000 But the core thing was that the Patriot Act set the government against the people.

00:10:59.000 And so I voted against it because I read it.

00:11:04.000 And most members didn't, but many voted for it because it's the Patriot Act, so you should salute it.

00:11:10.000 Now, you know, to me, what I learned after 9-11 is that our government lied to us, and I knew that, but by the way, Ian, right after 9-11 I saw the case that the Bush administration was making go to war in Iraq, and I spent Endless hours deconstructing the case.

00:11:33.000 And what I found out is that they were lying about Iraq, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, despite the fact they claimed that it did nothing to do with Al-Qaeda's role in 9-11, didn't have the intention or capability of attacking the United States, had nothing to do with the anthrax attack, yet a case was made to attack Iraq And we proceeded to prosecute a war that cost the lives of almost 5,000 U.S.

00:11:57.000 servicemen and women, cost our country close to $5 trillion for the war alone, cost the lives of over a million innocent Iraqis, and contributed to a national debt that uh... added maybe with all the other wars since then about eight trillion dollars to a thirty four trillion dollar now national debt this thing was a triple canopy disaster the government lied about everything and the patriot act was uh... was uh... put forward as a means of trying to control the population to reach government even deeper into people's lives and what we see today this hasn't ended today FISA which is another riff

00:12:40.000 on government reaching into people's lives, spying on Americans.

00:12:43.000 You know, Congress defeated an amendment that would have required a warrant to be able to spy on Americans.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, we're going to talk about that.

00:12:55.000 Serge is here too.

00:12:55.000 Give it to me, buddy.

00:12:57.000 I'm here too.

00:12:58.000 Pleasure to meet you guys.

00:13:00.000 Good to see you, George, I should say.

00:13:01.000 Let's get into it.

00:13:02.000 Well, so this is the big story from NBC News.

00:13:04.000 House votes to renew FISA spying tool after earlier Republican revolt.

00:13:09.000 Prior to passage, the House failed to adopt a bipartisan amendment to curtail warrantless surveillance inside the U.S.

00:13:15.000 Section 702 of the law expires on April 19th, unless it's renewed.

00:13:19.000 So what does this mean for your everyday American?

00:13:22.000 What it means is that government, just for an FBI agent, claiming there's a reason important to the country, can file a national security letter and go in and find out what people are doing.

00:13:37.000 And to say that it's never political, it's not going to be abused, that's baloney.

00:13:44.000 FISA should have been taken down.

00:13:47.000 This law, we already had the tools through the Central Intelligence Agency to determine if somebody's doing something to try to hurt our country.

00:13:57.000 And unfortunately, you know, the CIA often misinterprets that in order to justify starting wars.

00:14:03.000 However, FISA has permitted our government to be able to reach very deeply into people's personal conduct.

00:14:11.000 And this bill, Look, right now the government can track your internet searches.

00:14:16.000 The government can flag individual conduct.

00:14:19.000 To me, that is a nightmare.

00:14:22.000 That is not what a democracy is supposed to be about, small d. It is anathema to the very principle of freedom that we believe we have as Americans to have the government equipped in a law that enables them to spy on Americans without a warrant.

00:14:39.000 That's the point.

00:14:40.000 They can do it without, you know, before, if you want to go and find out what people are talking about on their phone or any other form of communication, you have to go to court.

00:14:48.000 You don't have to do that now under FISA.

00:14:52.000 So, you know, Congress Rejected the Biggs Amendment that would have required a warrant to be able to follow the personal conduct of people to me.

00:15:03.000 It is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure.

00:15:09.000 It is also a violation of right to privacy.

00:15:14.000 I mean, our government is too busy about reaching into people's private lives and their personal lives.

00:15:21.000 And in a way, when you have a law like that, everybody's a potential criminal.

00:15:25.000 It's a status.

00:15:26.000 If the government doesn't like what you're doing or saying, they can go after you.

00:15:30.000 That's why I'm for, you know, I'm for dramatically revising all of those bills that were passed in the wake of 9-11, because otherwise we're looking at something that resembles more of a Stalin-esque state than the United States of America.

00:15:50.000 I want to just put a pin on that.

00:15:53.000 The fact that you are bringing up Stalin-esque things, I mean, you've been around D.C.

00:15:59.000 for a long time, you've seen the different political parties kind of change and grow and stuff, but you also understand what Stalin-esque means.

00:16:11.000 So it's not used lightly.

00:16:12.000 Like, there are a lot of people that are hyperbolic about stuff, but Dennis's, you know, depth of knowledge in his experience, using something like that, it should hold weight.

00:16:22.000 Now, I think that I'm on the complete same page about all of the government spying, all of FISA, all of the stuff the Patriot Act, you know, made normal, made normalized.

00:16:34.000 And I feel like also there is, we're kind of reaching a time where the people that were most vocal about, you know, not doing this, because I remember Ron Paul and you were very, very vocal.

00:16:48.000 Ron and I worked very closely together.

00:16:50.000 Yeah, and that's part of the reason why I know I was a big, big Ron Paul fan, you know, in 2007, 2008, when it came out that, you know, the government lied to us.

00:16:58.000 I was a, you know, a Republican and I thought that, okay, well, this is, you know, this is the government is doing this and it's important and blah, blah, blah.

00:17:05.000 And then when it came up, they lied.

00:17:06.000 I felt really You know it really it took it I took it personally and it's important that the people that were there when it was passed are out here now saying look we need to stop this stuff and it's now it's 20 years on so a lot of the people that were there like Ron Paul

00:17:23.000 They're not there anymore.

00:17:24.000 They're not in Congress anymore, and we're losing the voices that were protesting before, and we really need to amplify their voices against the things that are happening today.

00:17:33.000 What is the Biggs Amendment that you said failed?

00:17:35.000 Yeah, it failed in a tie vote.

00:17:39.000 Congress, the vote was 212 to 212.

00:17:41.000 If there's a tie vote, that means the bill or amendment does not pass.

00:17:45.000 And Biggs basically said you need a warrant.

00:17:50.000 That was today?

00:17:51.000 Which is what the Fourth Amendment says.

00:17:54.000 Is the argument for this like, the whole world is spying on us, so we have to spy on ourselves too?

00:17:59.000 I think the argument is, there is no US government, there's an enclave, which acts outside of the interests of the people, the people have no say in how things are done, and we can only pretend.

00:18:13.000 That's not an argument.

00:18:14.000 I mean, that's not an argument that I tend, but like, I get what you're saying.

00:18:17.000 I believe that that is true.

00:18:18.000 The US government is not accountable.

00:18:20.000 Studies have been done that show that the government is not accountable to the people.

00:18:24.000 The opinions of the people have no bearing whatsoever on policy.

00:18:27.000 But beyond just mad power control, are they justifying it like, look, it's going to happen anyway, so we need to get ahead of this and be the ones that are collecting data?

00:18:36.000 Well, think about it.

00:18:40.000 Intelligence agencies changed over the years where instead of having a sharply focused approach towards collecting information, as one intelligence leader said, why go for a needle when you just take the whole haystack?

00:18:56.000 Now that haystack is everything about us.

00:18:58.000 See, to me, We must have a private sphere in our lives which is reserved to us.

00:19:06.000 That's who we are.

00:19:07.000 You know, it enables us to effectuate the idea of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

00:19:15.000 When the state intervenes in that in any way, it is not just chilling, but it's antithetical to the entire idea of freedom.

00:19:29.000 The system you're in, it's antithetical to freedom.

00:19:32.000 And we have to watch this creeping statism and knock it down at every point.

00:19:38.000 Government has too much power over people's lives.

00:19:43.000 And we have to look at the ways that power has been misused.

00:19:46.000 And it is misused, there's just no question about it.

00:19:49.000 The government doesn't really audit the abuses.

00:19:54.000 They just look the other way.

00:19:56.000 And our politics have become weaponized.

00:20:00.000 If you're on the wrong side, they'll go after you.

00:20:04.000 And this is wrong.

00:20:07.000 Justice is no longer blind in this country.

00:20:10.000 The blindfold is off and the people who are in power can look one way or another and decide who they want to go after.

00:20:16.000 That's not what America was intended to be, but that's how we're evolving and that's why this vote concerning the FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Act, this surveillance act, this vote was really important because it basically says whose side are you on?

00:20:37.000 Are you on the side of the deep state?

00:20:40.000 Or are you on the side of freedom?

00:20:42.000 That's the divide right now.

00:20:43.000 And Mike Johnson, the speaker, we might actually play the video, it's pretty short, I imagine you might have...

00:20:48.000 We'll get to it in a minute.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, that was freakish, the way he seems to have turned.

00:20:51.000 Like, he came in and be like, Yo, the FBI is too much power, let's get, let's all pro-America,

00:20:56.000 yay! 0.99

00:20:56.000 And then he's like, and then they took me in the back room and now I see it the other way. 0.99

00:20:59.000 So now I'm gonna, I'm gonna go along with the FBI and the wireless warren tapping, wiretapping.

00:21:04.000 Maybe he met the Alpha Draconians in the back room who told him that he was a chicken and the aliens are in control.

00:21:11.000 I'm sure they surrounded him with a bunch of psychics and just focused psychic energy into his head and he was like, ah.

00:21:15.000 I'm sure they didn't.

00:21:16.000 Who knows what the hell, what they tell him.

00:21:18.000 What kind of things do you think that he was told in the back room, Dennis?

00:21:21.000 Well, let me just say, there wasn't any real, I mean, whether it was a back room or not, News reports have that members of the Justice Department were right outside the, you know, the chamber of the House, pulling people out to talk to them.

00:21:35.000 That's very rare, by the way.

00:21:36.000 Go ahead.

00:21:37.000 We have this tweet from Thomas Massey.

00:21:39.000 He said this is how the Constitution dies by a tie vote the amendment to require a warrant to spy on Americans goes

00:21:45.000 down In flames. This is a sad day for America

00:21:47.000 The speaker doesn't always vote in the house But he was the tiebreaker today and he voted against the

00:21:52.000 warrants meaning if he didn't vote at all the warrants would have won

00:21:55.000 Dennis you can see uh Yeah, well, Tom Massey is spot-on, you know, and he's a patriot.

00:22:03.000 He really cares about this country, and the speaker He's in a box.

00:22:09.000 I mean, you've got on one hand, you've got people that want to kick him out immediately, and then you have others who are gathering around him.

00:22:16.000 He's like a witch bone, and people are pulling both ends of it, and if he survives, it'll be surprising. 0.96

00:22:23.000 I don't think the people have been represented in this country for decades.

00:22:27.000 There was a study that found that the political opinions of the American people have no bearing whatsoever on whether bills get passed.

00:22:34.000 Yeah, Ron Paul's... His lobbyists, corporations, the wealthy.

00:22:37.000 Well, we had Ron Paul on the show a year ago or so.

00:22:39.000 He said he thinks the Republic died when Kennedy was assassinated.

00:22:42.000 And he was like, I think the CIA killed Kennedy, and that was when the Republic officially was like, well... As someone who was a senior in high school when Kennedy was assassinated, and you know, I have a point of reference on that.

00:22:55.000 There's no question the country changed.

00:22:57.000 It changed emotionally, it changed in terms of the grip that the deep state had on the government.

00:23:08.000 If you look at the speech that Kennedy gave at American University in, I think it was May of, it was in the spring of 1963, a half year before he was assassinated.

00:23:22.000 He called basically for taking down the military-industrial complex in the same way that Eisenhower did a few years earlier in his farewell speech.

00:23:33.000 He said that, you know, we want to create a country where peace is inevitable, not war.

00:23:40.000 And so, the observations that Ron Paul has made about where America is today, he's 100% right.

00:23:50.000 I mean, I've worked closely with Ron, we're still very good friends.

00:23:54.000 And we have to, Tim, I want to go back to what you said about the American people, Having their government taken away from them by Citizens United, Buckley v. Vallejo, free money equals free speech, you know, best Congress money can buy, by the role of corporations in the government.

00:24:19.000 Look, you know, when I went to Congress, except for the fact that people helped me get in and get elected over the internet contributing, I was able to escape the condition that most congressmen have.

00:24:34.000 They're given a book that's about a foot thick, of PACs to call for money.

00:24:41.000 And instead of going to the floor of the House and engaging in debates, members come to Congress and they go to their respective party headquarters and they dial for dollars.

00:24:50.000 They have pagers.

00:24:51.000 When there's a vote, they run to the floor and they vote.

00:24:53.000 But most members are not involved in a day-to-day debate because they need to raise three to ten million dollars depending on the district or more to come back.

00:25:04.000 And the system is adverse to the interests of the American people.

00:25:08.000 So Tim, you know what you said, absolutely right.

00:25:11.000 Let me pull up this clip here, this is from The Blaze.

00:25:14.000 Speaker Mike Johnson lays it out for you.

00:25:15.000 I like to call this clip gooblegobble, gooblegobble, one of us, one of us.

00:25:20.000 And it's how they brought Mike Johnson into a private back room where the deep state started banging on a table, chanting gooblegobble, one of us, until he finally decided to be one of them.

00:25:30.000 When I was a member of the judiciary, I saw the abuses of the FBI, the terrible abuses over and over and over, the hundreds of thousands of abuses.

00:25:37.000 And then when I became Speaker, I went to the SCF and got the confidential briefing from sort of the other perspective on that to understand the necessity of Section 702 of FISA and how important it is for national security.

00:25:47.000 And it gave me a different perspective.

00:25:48.000 So I encourage all the members to go to the classified briefing and hear all that and see it so they can evaluate the situation for themselves.

00:25:55.000 And I think Some opinions have changed both ways, but that's part of the process.

00:25:59.000 You've got to be fully informed.

00:26:01.000 That's right.

00:26:02.000 He had seen the FBI abuse the system and spy on innocent people, and all that stuff.

00:26:07.000 And then they brought him in the back room, roughed him up a little bit, and he said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please stop beating me mercilessly, and then decided to side with them and vote in their favor.

00:26:15.000 Who's the skiff?

00:26:16.000 And that was a joke, by the way.

00:26:18.000 Yeah, and I was kind of claiming what he said was out of context.

00:26:21.000 The skiff is the confidential room.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, it's a room where you can look at classified stuff.

00:26:24.000 So what do you think he was told when he was, when he, to change his mind?

00:26:28.000 Look, Mr. Johnson is not new to Congress.

00:26:32.000 There is no questioning.

00:26:34.000 There was a lot of pressure put on.

00:26:37.000 But as you played that clip, and we're talking about national security, national security, for some reason, my thinking flashed to the border.

00:26:52.000 We're millions of people across the border and that's not a national security, that's a real national security issue.

00:26:58.000 They can throw the card of national security on anything and you put that out there and right away people say, oh well, national security and we can't tell you why, right?

00:27:09.000 It's a secret.

00:27:11.000 We have to tease apart this deep state and separate them and the only way to do that is transparency.

00:27:21.000 We have a, the American people have a right to know why their government makes decisions.

00:27:27.000 And too much of it is done in secret.

00:27:29.000 Too much of it is done in the name of national security.

00:27:35.000 What about the security of the Fourth Amendment?

00:27:38.000 What about the security the Constitution offers us, we Americans, to be free from illegal search and seizure?

00:27:47.000 To say that you can't take us, you can't take our liberties away unless the court approves of a search.

00:27:56.000 That's all gone now.

00:27:57.000 The government can do this willy-nilly.

00:28:00.000 I went through the bill today, Tim, and it has all these exceptions and this whole structured program.

00:28:09.000 That's all baloney.

00:28:10.000 They use the opening and do it any way they want, and they can go after anyone they want, and I maintain that the fact that FISA was able to pass, and it's in for another two years, is a disaster for this country because it keeps us under the surveillance state that is against our democracy.

00:28:35.000 Now, a Florida congresswoman put a motion to reconsider up, and you know what? 0.95

00:28:40.000 They're going to have to vote again on it on Monday.

00:28:43.000 And that'll be real interesting to see if people stay with their votes or whether they hear from their constituents who say, hey, we don't want the government spying.

00:28:52.000 You have to have a warrant to be able to reach into people's stuff.

00:28:56.000 Yeah, what's the best way for people to contact their congressman right now?

00:28:59.000 Well, you know, call the House of Representatives.

00:29:02.000 They can Google their member of Congress and get the phone number.

00:29:05.000 While you were there, like, what's the most just annoying way to get bombarded by your constituents where you're like, fine, I'll listen to you.

00:29:12.000 Visiting their district offices.

00:29:14.000 When they're there?

00:29:16.000 No.

00:29:17.000 You visit the district office of the member of Congress because that's where the people are, where the rubber meets the road.

00:29:25.000 You don't get back to Congress unless you pay attention to what's happening in your district.

00:29:31.000 And while people make the trek to DC, it's okay if you want to do that, go to the district office.

00:29:37.000 Ask to speak to the district director.

00:29:40.000 Tell them you're a constituent, and that you're concerned about the government having too much power, about the government being able to spy on Americans, being able to do it without a warrant.

00:29:49.000 And you want some accountability, and you want their congressman or woman to stand for the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution. 0.98

00:29:57.000 Because ultimately, this is what this is about.

00:29:59.000 This is a full-on attack on the U.S.

00:30:02.000 Constitution.

00:30:04.000 And that Fourth Amendment, it was adopted in 1791.

00:30:10.000 Okay, this isn't something new.

00:30:12.000 You know, it was put in there because the Brits, you know, would go from house to house, they'd quarter their troops, they'd grab stuff, they'd take it out.

00:30:20.000 No, we established the Bill of Rights to stop Americans from being beset by any type of government.

00:30:29.000 And now the government, instead of serving the people, is attacking the people.

00:30:36.000 And, you know, if you read the Declaration of Independence, and you look at the statement that Jefferson wrote, it was a recitation of all of the abuses of the government at that time, and then it was the government of King George.

00:30:54.000 But, you know, King George might be long dead, but the abuses of what happens when a central government becomes More and ever more powerful.

00:31:07.000 It has not ended.

00:31:08.000 As a matter of fact, with the internet, with digital technology, oh my god!

00:31:18.000 I mean we're now, we have surpassed the Orwellian 1984 and we're into this brave new world that Huxley talked about in which the government is the big brother.

00:31:33.000 Is it, and it's more than just, like Tim was saying, it's not just the US government.

00:31:36.000 There's greater economic powers at force that are manipulating people.

00:31:41.000 I mean, you mentioned Citizens United earlier, which I believe, maybe you can explain it better, gives people, what, unlimited ability to, what does it do exactly, Citizens United?

00:31:51.000 Essentially, since money equals free speech, Citizens United gave corporations the right to participate in the political process, to use their resources in structured ways, through the creation of super PACs and such.

00:32:10.000 And 501c4s to be able to influence elections in a way they couldn't before.

00:32:15.000 I mean now it's no, you know, the removal of any restraint on campaign financing has been a disaster for this country.

00:32:24.000 Can a foreign corporation invest?

00:32:26.000 No.

00:32:28.000 But if they have a U.S.

00:32:32.000 subsidiary, sure.

00:32:33.000 So through this there are ways in which foreign wealth is funneling money into the U.S.

00:32:38.000 election system.

00:32:40.000 But to clarify, when I said yes and he said no, his is literal, mine's figurative.

00:32:44.000 But I'm asking more of the broader, like, can they have a charity that's a United States charity that's owned by, yes, a subsidiary essentially, that's dirt.

00:32:51.000 And it's not just that, it's that there can be a charity that, or I should say to clarify, there can be a charity where it's an American guy who started it and then China puts a hundred million dollars in it.

00:33:02.000 And then depending on what they do and how they do it.

00:33:04.000 Well, 501c3s are not permitted to be involved in politics at all, according to the IRS.

00:33:11.000 But 501c4s, which have an educational component and a political action component, are permitted.

00:33:18.000 Corporations can't contribute to them. 0.98

00:33:20.000 They can do it anonymously.

00:33:21.000 Sorry to interrupt, you were saying?

00:33:24.000 No, go ahead.

00:33:24.000 That it's more than just the United States government, now it feels like global corporations are just picking apart at our government.

00:33:30.000 Well, wait a minute, you're right!

00:33:33.000 This is a very important topic, because when you look back at NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, GATT, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, the creation of the World Trade Organization, okay?

00:33:51.000 And China trade.

00:33:52.000 All of those trade agreements help to create corporate control, not just in America, but globally, okay?

00:34:02.000 The corporations make the rules.

00:34:05.000 And in many ways, that's when we began to see a destructive undermining of our rights as Americans when You know, steel, automotive, aerospace, shipping, industries started to go that were tied to people having a decent way of living in this country.

00:34:24.000 And the connection with the declining American industrial base, what I call the strategic industrial base, is directly related to the loss of individual freedoms.

00:34:39.000 Because you cannot have political freedom if you don't have economic freedom.

00:34:43.000 And as people start to lose their economic position, Their political rights are by definition going to be undermined.

00:34:52.000 And that's what's happened.

00:34:53.000 When I was in Congress, Boeing came into my office asking me to vote on China trade.

00:35:00.000 I found out that the reason why they wanted to do that is they were willing to give to China the prototypes of the new aircraft that Boeing was developing.

00:35:09.000 And China, of course, got that as part of the deal for entrance into the market.

00:35:13.000 If you move your economy over, as we went to China, what are we importing?

00:35:21.000 We're importing goods, but we're also importing values.

00:35:24.000 And so we become less free.

00:35:27.000 We've become less free.

00:35:28.000 This is crazy.

00:35:28.000 You know, workers' rights, you know, human rights, out the door.

00:35:33.000 So I'm, you know, I'm a firm believer that we need to really review where we are as a nation with respect to upholding our basic liberties, because they have been lost over the last 30, 40 years.

00:35:46.000 I want to ask you, how would you How would you view the Democratic Party today as compared to where it was maybe 20 years ago, 10 years ago?

00:35:55.000 There's some major differences, particularly on issues of war.

00:36:04.000 Very pro-war. 0.98

00:36:05.000 Yeah.

00:36:06.000 It almost flipped from where it was 20 years ago.

00:36:08.000 I'm sorry, go ahead, George.

00:36:09.000 I was just going to say it almost flipped from where it was 20 years ago.

00:36:12.000 Right, it did.

00:36:13.000 I remember there was nothing but criticism for Afghanistan and Iraq on the Daily Show.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, but then Obama got elected and they stopped caring.

00:36:20.000 Well, it wasn't just Obama.

00:36:22.000 Let me just say that, you know, I have personal experience in this.

00:36:27.000 I mean, I led the effort.

00:36:29.000 In organizing votes against the war in Iraq.

00:36:35.000 And we had 125 Democrats who voted against the war.

00:36:41.000 The party has changed and I think it's a number of reasons why.

00:36:45.000 There's a Democrat in the White House, that Democrat has been a hawk for a good part of his, for his entire career.

00:36:53.000 And there's fewer and fewer, there's less and less competition among defense industries and the defense industry is the juggernaut that Eisenhower warned about.

00:37:08.000 You know, he said be aware of the military-industrial conflict.

00:37:10.000 We're there.

00:37:11.000 We're there right now.

00:37:13.000 And so they basically have control of the White House and the Congress.

00:37:21.000 It's been ever thus that the Democratic Party, and I think it's probably true of the Republicans as well, if you have the White House The leadership of the House will generally follow whatever the President wants.

00:37:35.000 So this is a problem because the political parties are, there's people in both parties who are favoring war now.

00:37:47.000 And it's very dangerous for this country.

00:37:49.000 Very dangerous.

00:37:50.000 So you noticed a conglomeration or, I guess, of military-industrial complex, they were buying each other out and consolidating?

00:37:57.000 Yeah, it's happened.

00:37:59.000 There used to be, you know, multiple people in the defense industry competing.

00:38:02.000 Now they keep on getting smaller and smaller.

00:38:04.000 I'll tell you what's happening.

00:38:06.000 They're jacking up the price of war material.

00:38:12.000 And as a result, the taxpayers are paying more and more and more and getting less and less and less.

00:38:18.000 When I got to Congress in 97, we had a hearing with the Inspector General on the committee, I was on the Government Reform, and at that point they said that the Pentagon had over a trillion dollars in accounts they hadn't reconciled.

00:38:34.000 I found out that the Pentagon, according to this report that we were given, had over 1,100 different accounting systems.

00:38:42.000 And it's set so nobody knows what's going on.

00:38:45.000 So the money's stolen.

00:38:47.000 The American people are getting hosed by this system which takes their money.

00:38:51.000 We now spend about a trillion dollars for preparing for war.

00:38:57.000 You know, the actual Pentagon plus intelligence.

00:39:02.000 And we're driving our country into debt.

00:39:06.000 We're in a sense in a position where They create wars to justify their existence?

00:39:15.000 This is insane, really.

00:39:16.000 And there again, when you have wars, when you have endless wars, or you participate surreptitiously in war, you sow the seeds of the destruction of a nation.

00:39:29.000 I mean, you look at the history of ancient Rome.

00:39:31.000 We're repeating the same things.

00:39:33.000 Empire 800 bases, at least, around the world, Intelligence operatives everywhere, dictating policy in one place and another, you know, that's not what America was about, was supposed to be about.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, I feel like they used the liberal economic order, which, you know, the military nestled in 1949, they set it up and they used the United States as the figurehead because it was the greatest and the wealthiest country on earth.

00:39:58.000 Now, the reason it was... We were destroyed after World War II.

00:40:00.000 We weren't destroyed, we were still powerful, but also because of the ethics of the state allowed us to become the most powerful, quickest, pivoting, moving, awesome place.

00:40:08.000 But it's not built to be a war machine.

00:40:10.000 It's a liberal, it's supposed to be a place of thoughts and ideas, and it became this place of power and destruction in a lot of ways, and control.

00:40:22.000 And now that's why it's faltering.

00:40:23.000 These ideals don't function with militaristic autocracy.

00:40:28.000 You know, I want to read something if I may.

00:40:30.000 This is from a book called The Sorrows of Empire, Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic by Chalmers Johnson, who was also the author of Blowback.

00:40:42.000 Now, listen to this.

00:40:43.000 This is something that I look at often.

00:40:47.000 I wanted to share with you, Tim, and I appreciate the opportunity to do it.

00:40:51.000 Hold on, let me just get these glasses here. 0.89

00:40:54.000 Oh yeah, through the headphones.

00:40:55.000 Yeah, I got it.

00:40:56.000 Okay, I'm good.

00:40:57.000 I'm good.

00:40:59.000 Chalmers Johnson writes, in my opinion, just a quote, the growth of militarism, official secrecy, and a belief that the United States is no longer bound, as the Declaration of Independence so famously puts it, quote, by a decent respect for the opinions of mankind, is probably irreversible so he's saying this growth of militarism official secrecy is irreversible a revolution be required to bring the pentagon back under democratic control or to abolish the central intelligence agency or even a contemplate enforcing article 1 section 9 clause 7 of the constitution

00:41:38.000 Which says, no money shall be drawn from the treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law and a regular statement in account of the receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.

00:41:51.000 So, you know, what's happening is the people are largely unaware of how their money is being spent.

00:41:56.000 It's being generally wasted or stolen.

00:41:59.000 And I'll give you an example.

00:42:01.000 During the Iraq war, The Coalition Provisional Authority needed money to run their operation.

00:42:10.000 A call was made to the Philadelphia Mint, who printed $10 billion in $100 bills, shrink-wrapped into bundles of $75,000 each, put on skids, and sent to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad.

00:42:29.000 $10 billion.

00:42:31.000 Disappeared.

00:42:34.000 I mean, this is, you know, the money, it's like... Well, we're hearing the same thing with Ukraine now. 0.51

00:42:40.000 That large portions of the money sent over there is unaccounted for.

00:42:42.000 Well, General Smedley Butler said... That's my dude, let's talk about the business plot, go!

00:42:49.000 Yeah, yeah, he said war is a racket, and it is a racket, and it's a racket which takes the tax dollars of the American people and just blows it.

00:42:57.000 People, you know, make, like bandits, Or either in the defense industry, or they just stuff the money in their pockets.

00:43:04.000 And so, God knows where that money goes once it goes abroad.

00:43:08.000 And is there a way you can advise us on how we can start a defense contractor so that we can get some of this money?

00:43:15.000 Hmm.

00:43:17.000 We're in the wrong business!

00:43:18.000 To answer that question, no.

00:43:22.000 I get it.

00:43:22.000 I get the liberal economic order.

00:43:24.000 It was the least worst system.

00:43:25.000 They were like, look, we don't want another world war.

00:43:27.000 What Hitler did was horrible, and there should have been oversight to prevent the guy from going genocidal and territorially conquering. 0.89

00:43:32.000 So they set it up.

00:43:33.000 And for 70 years, we haven't had a lot of border conflict.

00:43:35.000 More or less, you've got the USSR shattered.

00:43:37.000 You've got some stuff in Bosnia, obviously.

00:43:40.000 This is very, very incorrect.

00:43:43.000 The other option was we didn't do it and it was just inevitable that we would have come to blows with the Soviets. 0.76

00:43:50.000 I can pull up the list of 20th century conflict for you, but it was massive.

00:43:54.000 I'm just saying a lot of borders didn't change like they were before World War II.

00:43:58.000 Countries weren't being taken over, renamed.

00:44:00.000 We've had a little general stability for 70 years.

00:44:03.000 Horror of war persisted with Vietnam, all sorts of things.

00:44:07.000 So, we need something better now.

00:44:08.000 I'm just, I just don't want a liberal, a world economic fascist, you know, technocracy.

00:44:16.000 Well, we've moved towards a one world econotechnic system, but look, instead of one great war, which we could still have for those who are interested in war, if you're out there and you want a great war, we've got people in our government right now who are looking to expand war in the Middle East, Looking to expand a war with Russia and would love to have a war with China over Taiwan.

00:44:39.000 Now, I would submit that while we haven't had the Great War again, we've had what the writer Celine would call death on the installment plan.

00:44:49.000 Yeah, explain.

00:44:52.000 Well, you know, all these go back to Iraq, Libya, the war that's been percolating in Syria.

00:45:04.000 We now have Yemen. 0.95

00:45:07.000 These wars are at least a million people.

00:45:08.000 But if we want to keep going back, I mean Afghanistan, we can go back further. 0.89

00:45:13.000 You've got, you had conflict in Europe, but you've got obviously the Koreas.

00:45:18.000 Right, you got the Koreas, Vietnam, very obvious ones. 0.96

00:45:22.000 Lately we've been saying like, when did World War III begin?

00:45:25.000 Is World War III this, that, that?

00:45:26.000 I'm like, maybe we've just been in a hundred year war.

00:45:29.000 And it started in 1914.

00:45:30.000 It started in 1913 when the Federal Reserve took control of the country, basically.

00:45:34.000 They set us off into the global, the Great War. 0.81

00:45:37.000 Then it just parlayed into World War II.

00:45:40.000 Then the Cold War was just an extension of this global conflict arms race.

00:45:44.000 And then now Afghanistan.

00:45:45.000 It's like the US has been the belligerent No, because you're talking about stuff that is really, especially when you're talking about World War I and World War II, it's really focused in Europe.

00:45:55.000 Like, what happened with World War I was like the end of, like, feudalism and figuring out which way, like, a lot of the former kingdoms were gonna go.

00:46:03.000 And then World War II was, you know, arguably because of the way that the Treaty of Versailles treated Germany after World... I mean, we didn't have to have World War II.

00:46:12.000 We didn't need I would clarify that and say I think that was how Hitler was able to rally people by saying, oh look at us, we victims. 0.75

00:46:20.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:46:21.000 But you had a guy whose brain was fractured.

00:46:23.000 100%.

00:46:23.000 Who was seeking to gain power.

00:46:25.000 100%.

00:46:26.000 I suppose you couldn't have, just generally speaking, probabilistic without the Treaty of Versailles, but I'm reluctant just to say it was Treaty of Versailles that led to World War II explicitly.

00:46:42.000 But I think largely it's correct.

00:46:44.000 That's fair, but the point stands.

00:46:46.000 A lot of times what it sounds like you're articulating is that it's the U.S.

00:46:52.000 focused.

00:46:53.000 I don't really think that it's the U.S.

00:46:54.000 focused.

00:46:55.000 As much as post-World War II, yes, because the U.S.

00:47:00.000 was left really standing after Europe just annihilated itself.

00:47:03.000 Decimated after World War II, you know.

00:47:06.000 So I think that the global order that the U.S.

00:47:09.000 kind of established in resistance to the Warsaw Pact, that definitely was the U.S.

00:47:13.000 But when it comes to like World War I and the first half of the 20th century, I mean, that was a lot of change from feudal systems and older systems, you know, coming into essentially basically catching up to countries that started the Industrial Revolution earlier than they did.

00:47:31.000 And I just want to say, you said we didn't really have the wars after the liberal economic order and all that.

00:47:36.000 Didn't have a lot of border changes.

00:47:37.000 Yeah, the list of wars is... It was limited.

00:47:41.000 Here we go!

00:47:42.000 It became limited.

00:47:42.000 The war became limited.

00:47:44.000 This is what you're saying, death on the... Death on the installment plan?

00:47:49.000 Welcome. 0.99

00:47:51.000 Holy crap, look at these wars! 0.99

00:47:52.000 It was, Henry Kissinger called it limited war. 0.97

00:47:54.000 A lot of it is like, you don't want to bomb the capital of the enemy, you don't want to bomb Moscow, you don't want him in Washington, so you fight in these proxies.

00:47:59.000 This is just 1945 to 1989.

00:48:02.000 What's, how many are here?

00:48:03.000 Look at this.

00:48:04.000 Is this all US war?

00:48:05.000 No, it's global conflict.

00:48:07.000 I saw this.

00:48:07.000 And this is just from, from 45 to 89.

00:48:11.000 And then we got to jump down to a whole different page to go from 90 to 2002.

00:48:14.000 And then it's a, look at Yeah, I mean, bro, gotta laugh.

00:48:21.000 The liberal economic order has done nothing to prevent these wars.

00:48:24.000 There's no control.

00:48:25.000 If anything, they've been a party to massive wars.

00:48:27.000 But it could have been way worse.

00:48:29.000 We could be with sticks and stones right now.

00:48:32.000 What we're talking about is if there was nuclear proliferation and so granted there was a nuclear proliferation because of the United States and the Warsaw Pact but the United States and the Warsaw Pact had all sorts of proxy wars going on whether it be Charlie Wilson and and the CIA's war against the the Russians in Afghanistan in the 80s or whether it be any number of other Proxy wars or u.s.

00:48:58.000 Involvement in local local wars or whatever that that stuff has been Consistent since the end of the world war my question I guess for you Dennis is like if we were to dispel the liberal economic order because they want to make a new world order They're tired of this liberal one.

00:49:12.000 They want to make this new world order They keep talking about since the 90s Is there a way to do it, make the world more peaceful?

00:49:18.000 But I'm not just talking about peace, because if you completely obliterate the surface of Earth, there will be peace.

00:49:23.000 That's not the kind of peace I'm looking for.

00:49:24.000 Actually, you were mentioning the World Health Organization and sovereignty.

00:49:28.000 I want to talk about that in a minute, but I'll put a bookmark on that.

00:49:32.000 Do you think there's an evolution of world order that could be much more peaceful?

00:49:36.000 Much more liberty-minded, freedom-minded, with U.S.

00:49:39.000 ideals, free speech at the center?

00:49:42.000 Well, let's look at where we are in the United States right now, economically.

00:49:46.000 Remember, I offered the observation that you have to have, that unless you're secure economically, it's going to be very difficult to be able to protect political freedoms.

00:50:02.000 So what's happening in the U.S.

00:50:03.000 right now?

00:50:05.000 Real wages are going down.

00:50:07.000 Rents, cost of housing, going up.

00:50:10.000 Cost of cars, going up.

00:50:12.000 Cost of used cars, going up.

00:50:13.000 Cost of auto repairs, going up.

00:50:14.000 Cost of food, going up.

00:50:15.000 Cost of utilities, going up.

00:50:17.000 Cost of child care going up.

00:50:20.000 Americans are drowning in debt.

00:50:22.000 The interest on auto or credit cards for the average American family is about $6,587.

00:50:30.000 Mortgage about $6,764.

00:50:31.000 $6,587. Mortgage about $6,764. Cost of child care going up used to be 7% of a family budget.

00:50:45.000 Dealt with child care, now it's 24%.

00:50:51.000 Housing cost a few years ago, 21% of median income.

00:50:55.000 That's just over a 10-year period.

00:50:57.000 21%, now it's 41%.

00:50:59.000 The economic pressures that are on American families right now are extraordinary.

00:51:05.000 And in this period, The FISA extension arises, okay?

00:51:13.000 People are riveted to their own economic well-being, and I'm saying that with the economy being difficult for very many Americans right now, there is an erosion of political liberty simultaneously.

00:51:29.000 I've visualized evolving our fuel system, because I think a lot of it relies on the cost is going up with the fuel.

00:51:35.000 Of course it is.

00:51:36.000 And so if we could incorporate hydrogen fuel, I've talked to this graphene scientist, Jim Tuer out of Rice University, said that our methane production lines, you can transport hydrogen fuel through them.

00:51:45.000 And so they figured out how to make hydrogen and actually make money.

00:51:48.000 Rather than spending money to make hydrogen, they'll They'll take carbon trash, they put it in a vacuum and hit it with electricity, 7,000 degrees, they pulse it with this thing called a flash jewel.

00:51:57.000 Let me finish this off for Dennis really quick.

00:51:58.000 And then it gives off hydrogen fuel and you get a byproduct of this stuff called graphene.

00:52:02.000 It's black powder, pure carbon, you can use it for building materials.

00:52:06.000 Are there technological evolutions coming along that would change the source of people's energy?

00:52:13.000 Yes.

00:52:13.000 But right now, here's a headline from a major newspaper, higher gas and rents keep inflation Elevated, okay?

00:52:22.000 And there's something simple to be said about the strength of corporations internationally.

00:52:27.000 If you are of the opinion that there are international corporations controlling our political system,

00:52:32.000 what do you think happens to the guy who says, hey, I've got a revolutionary new energy system that will

00:52:37.000 displace the current...

00:52:39.000 They usually kill him, but I don't want to displace it.

00:52:41.000 I don't want to displace it.

00:52:42.000 I want to keep using the oil and turning it into graphene.

00:52:45.000 So we keep using, we can even improve, we can increase our oil production and increase our coal production and turn it into this stuff.

00:52:50.000 Right now we have all of the technology to solve all of our power problems currently exists and they're using it in France.

00:52:59.000 You can look at the way that France takes care of their power problems and the way that Germany takes care of their power problems and you see a significant difference because France in the 70s or whatever, was it 70s when they started doing the nuclear program?

00:53:12.000 France went nuclear in the 70s and when everything was kicking off with Ukraine and everyone was talking about the pipeline that got blown up and stuff.

00:53:22.000 France wasn't worried about it.

00:53:23.000 Germany was terrified.

00:53:24.000 Germany was worried about cost.

00:53:25.000 Germany was worried about where they're going to get power from, how they're going to do it, blah, blah, blah.

00:53:29.000 France didn't worry about it because France is like, we got nuclear. 0.77

00:53:32.000 And France has a modern electronic or electrical production facility or system in their country.

00:53:38.000 And the United States could do that.

00:53:40.000 But the United States has been implementing policies, making it extremely difficult to open up new nuclear power plants.

00:53:49.000 And if we change that, We can greatly decrease any of the negative effects of significant increases in gas prices or oil prices because oil is going to be something that we need all the time because oil is in everything we make, everything we use.

00:54:06.000 It's plastic.

00:54:07.000 Everything.

00:54:08.000 Fertilizer.

00:54:09.000 Oil is why we can feed the 8 billion people on earth. 0.97

00:54:12.000 If it wasn't for oil and fertilizers that are petrochemicals, we wouldn't be able to sustain the 8 billion people that we have.

00:54:19.000 And we have less hunger on earth than at any time in human history ever, and it's all because of oil.

00:54:27.000 Sorry.

00:54:27.000 And you have to consider energy return on energy invested and how that relates to population expansion as well as population sustainability.

00:54:35.000 So, if for every unit of energy, calorie I suppose, that is required to extract oil, I'm going to give a total hypothetical because I don't know the actual, it's called EROEI, Energy Return on Energy Invested.

00:54:47.000 Let's say that for every one unit of energy you invest, you get back ten with oil.

00:54:53.000 That means one person working is gonna help produce enough energy to sustain ten people.

00:54:58.000 Total hypothetical.

00:54:59.000 These numbers aren't real, I'm just saying.

00:55:01.000 Now, with all other fuel sources, I think nuclear energy is actually better than oil.

00:55:06.000 Well, the issue is with something like hydrogen, if the energy invested is like one to three, you absolutely could implement a new energy system, but if its energy density is still not comparable to oil or nuclear, then this will result in an energy deficit.

00:55:20.000 Or if it was a thousandth of a cost, it may only be three times the benefit, but it would cost you- That's literally what I just said.

00:55:24.000 Energy return on energy invested.

00:55:25.000 Cost is a reference to how much energy a person needs to put into a system to get energy back from it.

00:55:31.000 And if the cost for oil is one to 10, but for hydrogen is one to three, then you are talking about sustainability issues where you're investing in something that generates less energy.

00:55:41.000 Except you actually get money out of making hydrogen.

00:55:44.000 It's not about money.

00:55:45.000 We're talking about- You get byproduct of graphene.

00:55:47.000 And that's meaningless.

00:55:48.000 It's product.

00:55:48.000 What we're talking about is, at the root of what is money backed by, we're talking about energy, and energy comes in multiple forms.

00:55:56.000 So, energy, when humans lived in caves and in fields, energy is human output.

00:56:02.000 If a human eats food, how much energy can a human produce?

00:56:05.000 Humans then said, okay, we're gonna take animals, then took animals, and now all of a sudden, you can invest energy as a human into taming a beast, but that beast can now pull ten times

00:56:14.000 the weight.

00:56:14.000 So, instead of one person lifting a rock, one person tames a beast who lifts a rock.

00:56:20.000 Then we started burning things with wood, then coal.

00:56:23.000 Energy density started increasing, and the energy return on energy invested started going up exponentially.

00:56:30.000 We discover petroleum and how to start manipulating this to gasoline and other petrochemicals and all of a sudden energy return on energy invested skyrockets like one to a hundred and this results in of course massive population boom because now one person can produce enough food for a hundred people.

00:56:47.000 If you were to switch off that system and go to a lower energy density, it correlates

00:56:53.000 with a difficulty in stability.

00:56:55.000 You can boil it down to how much energy is produced, can be figured out into how many

00:57:02.000 humans that much energy can support.

00:57:04.000 Or you can say, how many humans do we have, and figure out how much energy you need to

00:57:07.000 produce to accept it.

00:57:08.000 And we can dramatically simplify it to when Greta Thunberg said, we will not wait till

00:57:12.000 We must get rid of fossil fuels now!

00:57:14.000 I'll be clear, I love- Sixty-some-odd million people die in three days because of fossil fuels.

00:57:18.000 I love oil.

00:57:18.000 I love the oil fuel system.

00:57:20.000 I have no interest in shutting it down.

00:57:21.000 I want to augment it and evolve it into a hybrid system, utilizing hydrogen as well.

00:57:26.000 And when it comes to the energy production, I'm with you on nuclear.

00:57:30.000 It's badass.

00:57:30.000 But the problem is it's fuel.

00:57:32.000 There's three elements that we can use for fuel that we know of right now.

00:57:35.000 Hydrogen, carbon, and plutonium.

00:57:38.000 And fuel means that you can carry it around with you.

00:57:40.000 I don't think you're correct.

00:57:43.000 This is what Jim Tour told me, the scientist at Rice University.

00:57:45.000 There's only three types of fuel.

00:57:47.000 Hydrogen, carbon, and plutonium.

00:57:50.000 Are you saying hydrocarbons and plutonium to create heat?

00:57:53.000 So are you saying that hydro, so are you saying hydrocarbons and plutonium to create heat?

00:57:58.000 Are you saying- Fuel means that you can carry it around in a container.

00:58:02.000 It's got, and it's- Whereas a windmill doesn't have fuel, it's just an energy

00:58:05.000 production source, so these nuclear plants are like that.

00:58:08.000 So plutonium's a challenging fuel because it's so radioactive, which leaves us with hydrogen and carbon.

00:58:13.000 Well, no, you're just throwing nuclear away.

00:58:16.000 No, no, no.

00:58:17.000 As a fuel source, like in your car, if you had a plutonium battery in your car, we could be risky at this stage.

00:58:24.000 All plutonium does is just runs a steam engine.

00:58:26.000 All of them do that.

00:58:30.000 Photovoltaic yeah, I mean so fair enough, but but but it doesn't matter so much how you're storing the energy It's how you're producing it because I mean you can the nuclear power that we had that we can produce right we don't have in the u.s.

00:58:44.000 But the types of nuclear power that we can produce that we have the tech But currently the technology exists to produce can absolutely take care of all of our problems and the tech again the technology is there So really the only thing holding it up is like the EPA or the actual is you all is the EPA that does nuclear?

00:59:00.000 nuclear or is it the atomic energy? But it's the it's US regulation, right?

00:59:04.000 What would you say would be the first step? Let me just say that you know I'm

00:59:09.000 familiar with and interacted with debates on many different types of

00:59:15.000 energy. With respect to nuclear, the first plant in the US I think was in 51, 52 in Michigan.

00:59:26.000 The technology that has developed has not come to the point of where, what do you do with the spent fuel rocks?

00:59:36.000 This is something that they haven't really figured out other than they keep them in place, okay?

00:59:42.000 That's the off-put and the economics remain ...variable and somewhat difficult to negotiate because when nuclear was first developed it was supposed to provide energy too cheap to meter and in some cases it drove up the cost.

01:00:00.000 We have, I think, about over 90 or more nuclear plants in America.

01:00:07.000 Many of them are operating past their stage of licensure.

01:00:11.000 The reactor vessels become embrittled when they are moving past that stage, which then brings up some safety issues.

01:00:20.000 Now, there's been... France, for example... Did I allend that correctly, though?

01:00:26.000 France used smaller reactors and provided... and were integrated across the country.

01:00:37.000 You know, to me, I haven't been a fan, frankly, of nuclear energy, but it's part of the energy mix.

01:00:47.000 Sure.

01:00:48.000 And you can't get rid of it just like that, any more than the hydrocarbon energy.

01:00:53.000 There's some people say, we'll get rid of it all.

01:00:55.000 That's not realistic at all.

01:01:00.000 If we're going to use nuclear, we have to make sure it's safe.

01:01:04.000 If we're going to use hydrocarbon energy, we have, we've got to make sure that certain steps are taken to try to minimize environmental damage.

01:01:14.000 Yeah.

01:01:15.000 I mean, that's our responsibility as stewards of the earth.

01:01:21.000 What I think, we want to encourage innovation and research to take us to energy which will have a lower impact but at the same time be able to produce a greater degree of energy per unit.

01:01:38.000 Now, you know, there's smarter people than I am that are looking at ways to do that.

01:01:45.000 But, you know, the thing that I'm most concerned about is when we have made as a matter of national strategy in the united states to wed our state policy and our pentagon policy with our energy policy which then makes the control of energy markets part of our political direction using military

01:02:15.000 That's a problem and that sets us on the path towards war.

01:02:22.000 There's no one who can convince me that oil wasn't one of the reasons why we knocked off Saddam Hussein. 0.95

01:02:34.000 There's no one who can convince me that oil wasn't one of the factors in knocking off Gaddafi.

01:02:43.000 Oil remains a major issue in the Middle East and relationships are built around access to oil.

01:02:52.000 People look the other way when international law is being violated.

01:02:59.000 If oil is a marker.

01:03:02.000 So, you know, this is a very complex argument, and I like to go back to, you know, is there a way that any one of us can lessen our carbon footprint and do our part and not deprive future generations of whatever we have left?

01:03:22.000 So it was nuclear, but surprisingly, hydroelectric is one of the highest Interesting, but it's not a fuel source.

01:03:29.000 That's the problem with these base stations.

01:03:31.000 They're great, but the fuel... We figured out how to pull the carbon dioxide out of the air and turn it into graphene, which is a building material.

01:03:38.000 This thing, you can make electronics out of it.

01:03:40.000 It's pure carbon.

01:03:40.000 I'd like to hear more about that.

01:03:42.000 It's fascinating.

01:03:42.000 Let me give you a real simple one.

01:03:45.000 Modern batteries and phones are using, uh, I forgot what they're called.

01:03:48.000 Do you want to go look this up?

01:03:49.000 Lead acid?

01:03:50.000 No, like graphene polymer, lithium graphene batteries.

01:03:53.000 So, uh, by putting a graphene layer through the battery, it's very conductive, and it allows a more even and rapid charge.

01:04:01.000 So, ten years ago, when I was working in field journalism, I'd have to buy these batteries from the electronics store, these big batteries that you could plug into the wall, and it would take two hours to charge it to full.

01:04:11.000 But that battery could hold ten cell phone charges.

01:04:15.000 So if I had three of those, I could run my cell phone all day.

01:04:18.000 Filming, uploading, no problem.

01:04:21.000 Now what they have are these graphene, lithium graphene batteries, which can hold... We bought a bunch.

01:04:28.000 One little battery holds two full cell phone charges, and it can charge in ten minutes.

01:04:33.000 So you pull this thing out of the drawer and you go, oh, I forgot to charge it.

01:04:35.000 You plug it in, 10 minutes, boom, you got two full cell phone charges.

01:04:38.000 Your phone doesn't charge nearly as fast, but that's just one simple example.

01:04:42.000 They're using graphene in batteries, and I imagine it's gonna advance into smart cars, or into electric cars.

01:04:49.000 And so we may come to the point where you pull up your electric car, it's at 10%, you pull up to a gas pump now to get rid of, you know, if gas out of the picture, you plug it in and you watch the battery go, My pants are made of like 10% graphene, these pants are spandex and graphene.

01:05:05.000 It's a building, it's more electrically conductive than copper, it's stronger than steel by weight, by 200 times stronger than steel by weight.

01:05:13.000 It's what it is, it looks like a honeycomb, it's a two-dimensional honeycomb lattice of carbon.

01:05:17.000 So okay, so where is it, you know, how is that produced, what you just There's multiple ways to make it out of the carbon dioxide.

01:05:24.000 One of them is called chemical vapor deposition, and you would do that by taking like a strip of copper in a vacuum and putting gas in there.

01:05:32.000 I think it's maybe argon.

01:05:33.000 There's different gases that they'll use for chemicals.

01:05:35.000 So it's a precipitate of some kind?

01:05:37.000 A condensation, technically, yeah.

01:05:38.000 And then the carbon dioxide will fall onto the copper, and then you pull it off like a strip of it.

01:05:42.000 There are other ways as well.

01:05:44.000 We need, before this becomes ubiquitous, we need mass production in uniformity.

01:05:50.000 That's where we're not.

01:05:50.000 And what's going to happen is people are going to adopt this, and then they're going to start pulling so much carbon dioxide out of the air that we may end up competing with trees and destroying our ecosystem if we're not careful.

01:05:58.000 So we need to do a global coalition to clean up our atmosphere.

01:06:02.000 And everyone's going to want a piece.

01:06:04.000 I'll tell you what's going to happen.

01:06:06.000 What's going to happen is graphene production is going to ramp up.

01:06:09.000 They're going to be using it for everything.

01:06:10.000 It's going to be a metal material.

01:06:12.000 It's going to be used in so many different things.

01:06:13.000 Batteries, superconductors, energy storage.

01:06:15.000 And then what's going to happen is climate change will cease to be a talking point in the media.

01:06:20.000 And then you're going to get a bunch of eco-activists being like, we need carbon!

01:06:23.000 We need carbon!

01:06:25.000 And then they're going to go to Ian and be like, these graphene industrialists are destroying the planet and they're causing super cooling. 0.97

01:06:31.000 And then some hippie guy in a show is going to be like, there's this new substance which replenishes the carbon in the atmosphere, I'm telling you it's the way to go, we have to do it now!

01:06:39.000 And then someone else is going to be like, dude, every time there's a crisis of invention, someone invents something to solve the crisis.

01:06:46.000 There's not gonna be super cooling.

01:06:48.000 Some dude's gonna invent something.

01:06:50.000 So, like, right now, what Ian's basically saying is two steps ahead of the problem.

01:06:53.000 We got climate change.

01:06:54.000 Oh, no, too much carbon.

01:06:55.000 Well, in ten years, it might be too little.

01:06:56.000 But when you start complaining about too little carbon, someone else is gonna be like, dude, you don't understand.

01:07:00.000 In ten years, it's gonna be too much again.

01:07:01.000 Okay, so, so, Tim.

01:07:03.000 You know, the thing that I think ought to be looked at, and it's something that my wife Elizabeth works on, is regenerative agriculture.

01:07:12.000 You know, the carbon's up there, how do you pull it down?

01:07:15.000 You pull it down through agriculture.

01:07:17.000 Big towers?

01:07:17.000 Through improving the soil microbiome, and it holds more carbon.

01:07:22.000 That's it.

01:07:22.000 You know, I mean, we can... Plants.

01:07:25.000 Agriculture is a path. 0.90

01:07:27.000 towards dealing with the challenges of high levels of atmospheric carbon.

01:07:33.000 And I mean this is something that needs to be done nationally and I think we're on a threshold of more and more people being involved in that.

01:07:42.000 Let's do a complete 180 and talk about this from SCNR.

01:07:46.000 West Virginia, Mississippi to defy three-year-old voter access executive order from Biden.

01:07:53.000 West Virginia Secretary of State said, we will emphatically not give up our state's duty to register voters to the federal government, nor will we accept voter registration forms collected by federal agents.

01:08:03.000 March 7th, 2021.

01:08:05.000 Shout out to TimCast members.

01:08:06.000 This was on the TimCast IRL member show that this was brought up to us.

01:08:10.000 Executive order.

01:08:10.000 Do you guys know who, which user it was?

01:08:12.000 You want to pull the name up?

01:08:14.000 I forget her name, but it was, uh, Shane Childred retweeted it.

01:08:17.000 Well, one of you find it, and then I'll read this.

01:08:19.000 This is an executive order from March 7th, 2021, which says, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution of the United States of America, I hereby order as follows.

01:08:28.000 The right to vote is a foundation of American democracy.

01:08:30.000 Free and fair elections that reflect the will of the people must be protected and defended.

01:08:33.000 But many Americans, especially people of color, confront significant obstacles to exercising that fundamental right.

01:08:37.000 These obstacles include difficulties with voter registration, lack of elected information, and barriers to access polling places.

01:08:41.000 Blah blah blah blah blah.

01:08:42.000 You think I was gonna say a bunch of critical race theory stuff and woke stuff?

01:08:45.000 Now here's where it gets interesting.

01:08:47.000 He says the head of each agency shall evaluate ways in which the agency can, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, promote voter registration and voter participation.

01:08:56.000 The effort shall include the consideration of ways to provide relevant information, facilitate seamless transition of agencies' websites, distributing voter registration and vote-by-mail ballot application forms, and providing access to applicable state online, yada yada.

01:09:11.000 Where it gets really interesting is, I believe, Section 5.

01:09:16.000 Whether consistent with applicable law, any identity documents issued by the agency to members of the public can be issued in a form that satisfies state voter identification laws.

01:09:28.000 To simplify, agency is defined legally in this executive order as any federal executive office, except a couple of them, but for the most part, any one of them.

01:09:39.000 This executive order says agencies will start sending out voter registration forms and mail-in voting applications to people in various states, and then it will help them produce IDs to get them to vote.

01:09:51.000 This is the federal government directly intervening in state-level registration processes.

01:09:56.000 It was Dancing Okapi that brought it up.

01:09:59.000 Now this is where it's important.

01:10:00.000 Texas said, when the Social Security Administration released these huge numbers every other week, hundreds of thousands of people registering to vote without IDs, Texas says, we have no idea what you're talking about, this is not true.

01:10:14.000 It may be the federal government collecting these IDs, and that makes me substantially more concerned these are illegal immigrants that are registering to vote.

01:10:22.000 And I didn't think that at first, when we saw, let me pull up the HAVV, So, this is the Help America Vote Verification.

01:10:30.000 Are you familiar with this, Dennis?

01:10:32.000 So, what we've found, and what's been going around, let's grab the latest from March 30th and we can see if Texas' numbers are here.

01:10:39.000 are here. 225,000 verification requests, 190,000 matches.

01:10:47.000 Texas says this is clearly wrong, we don't know what this is.

01:10:50.000 Well, now we may know what it is.

01:10:51.000 It may be, and again, not sure, but if Texas is saying, their Secretary of State said, we do not know what this number is, it's clearly an error.

01:10:59.000 Or it could be, the federal government has been registering people to vote, and taking those forms, and requesting information from the SSA to verify the numbers are in the database.

01:11:10.000 It may be the federal government has not yet delivered these registrations to the state, which is where we end up with this story from SCNR, when West Virginia says, we will not accept voter registration forms collected by federal agents.

01:11:23.000 It may be that they've collected millions and have not yet turned them into the state.

01:11:28.000 Well, let's go back to the Constitution.

01:11:32.000 Earlier we had a discussion about how the Fourth Amendment is being violated by FISA and how FISA ought to be struck down because the Fourth Amendment has to take precedence.

01:11:46.000 Now here, we're looking at the Tenth Amendment.

01:11:49.000 And, well, those who watch your show are familiar with it.

01:11:53.000 I'll just read it.

01:11:55.000 Again, the Tenth Amendment, adopted the same year that the Fourth Amendment was, the Bill of Rights, in 1791.

01:12:02.000 The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

01:12:14.000 This is an area that the states are responsible for.

01:12:18.000 The federal government doesn't have a proper role in this.

01:12:23.000 And so West Virginia and Mississippi are insisting on the 10th Amendment rights that the states have.

01:12:30.000 Now there's another thing here, Tim.

01:12:33.000 I don't want to see, you know, Social Security is one thing, but I don't want to see anything that's tantamount to a national identification card.

01:12:42.000 Agreed 100%.

01:12:42.000 Oh, but real ID is here.

01:12:46.000 I know, but I'm saying there's a danger there.

01:12:49.000 You know, it's a privacy issue and it's also an issue of the government gathering in a central database information about everyone.

01:12:59.000 I actually already have my national ID card.

01:13:03.000 I'm not going to show it on air, but it's here in my wallet.

01:13:06.000 It is issued by the United States Department of State and it is a North American identification card.

01:13:12.000 Yeah.

01:13:13.000 I don't want to... I know they're moving towards that in order to be able to use, to travel by air, for example.

01:13:20.000 But, you know, I just want to say that this, to me, a national ID card, demanding it across the country, I find that the government, once again, gaining too much power I interrupted you, Tim.

01:13:40.000 What did you have?

01:13:41.000 I have a federal ID.

01:13:43.000 Okay, what is it exactly?

01:13:44.000 It's a U.S. 0.89

01:13:45.000 passport card.

01:13:46.000 It's an ID issued by the federal government that is good in Canada and Mexico.

01:13:52.000 I got the same thing.

01:13:53.000 But it's one thing to elect to do that.

01:13:56.000 To make it mandatory is another thing.

01:13:58.000 But how do you make it mandatory?

01:13:59.000 No, you don't.

01:14:00.000 I mean, you could by ordering it.

01:14:01.000 The government could order it.

01:14:04.000 But they don't need to do it.

01:14:05.000 What they'll do is, whenever somebody gets a passport or an ID, they'll ask you, hey, would you like this one as well?

01:14:11.000 It's much more convenient.

01:14:13.000 And look at what they're doing in Australia right now.

01:14:14.000 You know what's going on in Australia?

01:14:16.000 They're eliminating cash from banks.

01:14:19.000 You go to a bank now and they, we can't give you any cash, sorry.

01:14:21.000 Why?

01:14:22.000 Nobody uses it.

01:14:23.000 They're actually removing ATMs, as far as I can tell, according to the news.

01:14:26.000 A thousand, I don't know how many, but from eastern... Well, if you eliminate cash, and then you move to, let's say, a federal... Digital currency.

01:14:33.000 Central bank digital currency.

01:14:35.000 Bad news.

01:14:35.000 Yep.

01:14:37.000 Just, again, a form of tyranny.

01:14:38.000 And what if the power goes out?

01:14:39.000 What do they think is going on?

01:14:41.000 Then they own you.

01:14:43.000 It doesn't matter.

01:14:43.000 And you will say, please, sir, can I have another piece of bread?

01:14:46.000 Ian, they don't care.

01:14:47.000 See, if you don't have, you know, you mentioned, was it you, Phil, mentioned the creation of Federal Reserve?

01:14:54.000 Yeah, well, Ian was talking about it.

01:14:57.000 But, you know, starting with the creation of Federal Reserve, which privatized the money supply and put the banks in charge of it.

01:15:02.000 It's interesting, the same year was when the government created the federal income tax.

01:15:10.000 So it used to be that the government could meet its needs without going into debt.

01:15:14.000 Then the government created debt, and money became debt, and the income tax was a way of retiring it, and then you have people who are paying their money into a system, and it requires more and more taxes to feed this growing military machine.

01:15:28.000 This is a bad system.

01:15:31.000 So what I'm getting at is that we have a moment of reckoning coming in the United States over who are we as a nation.

01:15:41.000 You know, if you go back to, as I mentioned earlier, go back to the Declaration of Independence, it's very clear that right at the beginning Jefferson said, look, you know, we have a right to change the kind of government we have and just because this is basically the form that we've had for all these years doesn't mean it's not time to inspect the basic terms under which this government exists and that we not

01:16:09.000 Be forced to accept as it's evolving in a direction which denies our constitutional rights that have been around for hundreds of years and which puts us as widgets in a larger machine.

01:16:24.000 I'm, you know, and it deals with our money.

01:16:27.000 And the impact of the Federal Reserve on the creation of debt with their being able to create money out of nothing and give it to institutions like banks that therefore create a wider wealth gap in the country.

01:16:44.000 It goes to the government not having any fiscal integrity and pyramiding the debt past $34 trillion.

01:16:52.000 It goes to the way in which government spends the money it has.

01:16:56.000 Endless wars.

01:16:59.000 It's globalization plus debt plus war equals the end of the United States.

01:17:05.000 I keep thinking a lot about a convention of states, but the danger of that, too.

01:17:09.000 Oh, it's a nightmare today.

01:17:11.000 Okay, so how do we change the government?

01:17:13.000 Obviously, I don't want to change the Bill of Rights.

01:17:15.000 That's not the government I want to change.

01:17:18.000 So how do you do it?

01:17:19.000 I mean, peacefully, how do you do it?

01:17:21.000 Right.

01:17:21.000 I mean that's, you know, peacefully.

01:17:23.000 How do we do it?

01:17:24.000 Is it a convention of states?

01:17:26.000 At some point there is going to have to be.

01:17:29.000 However, as you implicitly stated, there's a problem given the way the government's controlled these days.

01:17:37.000 So I think, you know, the American people We all love our country.

01:17:42.000 I mean, the reason why I served in Congress for 16 years and why I served in government at various levels, I love America.

01:17:48.000 I still, even with all that we talk about here, I still get a certain feeling when I see the American flag go by during a parade.

01:17:58.000 I love this country!

01:17:59.000 And it might even seem Pollyannish when I say this, but the country that I have intentionally in my head, Is not the country that actually exists today.

01:18:12.000 And so how do we put a vision of the country of our dreams together with the country that is?

01:18:18.000 There's a lot of work to be done.

01:18:20.000 I think one of the big challenges we're facing right now outside of that is the hyperpolarization which you brought up early on.

01:18:30.000 And I gotta be honest, I don't see a path towards reconciliation.

01:18:34.000 I don't see it being possible.

01:18:35.000 Well, Franklin Roosevelt talked about the science of human relations, and I'll tell you what it is.

01:18:41.000 As I said, I served 16 years in Congress.

01:18:46.000 Members of Congress have to treat each other as individuals, not as members of a party, not as liberal conservative or whatever, and that is failing to happen.

01:18:56.000 So political parties gain power through polarization.

01:19:02.000 I'll tell you, here's how it works.

01:19:04.000 People want some inside view of Congress.

01:19:07.000 So if you're a Democrat, you go to your Democratic caucus meetings and they talk about three things.

01:19:13.000 They talk about raising money, the latest polls, and how bad the Republicans are.

01:19:24.000 Now here's the difference between the two parties.

01:19:27.000 The Republicans talk about, in their conference, talk about Raising money, the latest polls, and how bad the Democrats are.

01:19:37.000 It's the difference between the two parties.

01:19:40.000 The two parties engage in this polarization in order to gain power and to gain control.

01:19:45.000 The reason why I want to go to Congress is to create an opening here that changes the discussion and shows people there's another path.

01:19:54.000 That shows people we can address each other as individuals and not just as exponents of a political ideology or party.

01:20:03.000 And you don't do it by judging people.

01:20:05.000 It's the worst thing that happens in Congress when people start to judge each other by virtue of a label or ideology and don't get to know each other as individuals.

01:20:13.000 You know, in some ways it's like a big high school.

01:20:15.000 Democrats on one side, Republicans on the other.

01:20:18.000 Well, imagine if one Independent was there who had an approach that wasn't polarizing, that looked for the commonalities.

01:20:26.000 Because we do have a lot in common as Americans.

01:20:29.000 We have to put country above party.

01:20:32.000 And that's what I hope to do.

01:20:34.000 But country above party.

01:20:36.000 I think that puts you squarely on the right.

01:20:39.000 So the world we're living in, I grew up Chicago liberal, and now the media endlessly calls me far-right, even though I'm a traditional Democrat pro-choice.

01:20:48.000 I am not libertarian on taxes or police.

01:20:53.000 I'd probably say I'm fairly liberal.

01:20:55.000 On the political compass, I'm probably, and based on actual more philosophies, described as traditional or social liberal, not classical liberal, but leaning libertarian.

01:21:05.000 And that's conservative these days.

01:21:07.000 So me saying things like, oh yeah, this country's had problems with racist institutions, and now the solution is rooted in class and not race, that's a right-wing position.

01:21:18.000 Meanwhile, at the same time, you have people on the right who are completely opposed to everything I just said, staunch pro-life individuals who will come on this show, shake hands with me, break bread with me, and I've had crazy heated arguments.

01:21:30.000 With people who are staunchly pro-life.

01:21:32.000 A good friend of ours, Seamus Coghlan, in fact, who's coming, he'll be back here in about a week, is absolutist pro-life, ban abortion in all capacities.

01:21:40.000 And we disagree, and we hang out, we get along, and we have a shared vision of, despite this agreement, finding a compromise.

01:21:46.000 Then we bring in a progressive, a liberal or a democrat, and they call me pro-life.

01:21:51.000 Even though my position is the traditional, probably closer to like the Roe v. Wade position, Then anything else doesn't matter.

01:21:59.000 That is far right right now.

01:22:01.000 So the challenge that we that that I see is we can talk about, say, like the Burisma scandal.

01:22:07.000 I like using this example.

01:22:08.000 Joe Biden saying at the I believe was it was it was a council on foreign relations meeting where he's sitting down and he says, I went to the prosecutor and said, if you don't, I'm sorry, I went to the president said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, knocking the billion dollars.

01:22:21.000 You bring that to a Democrat and they say, that never happened.

01:22:25.000 And I'm like, well here's the video of it happening.

01:22:26.000 I'm not a conservative, I'm just... And they say, you're a conservative for believing that.

01:22:31.000 I don't understand how we could find reconciliation.

01:22:35.000 Or the common ground stuff's fairly obvious, like we all agree, hey Julian Assange shouldn't be prosecuted.

01:22:40.000 There are some establishment pro-war people.

01:22:43.000 But then it comes to issues like war, for instance.

01:22:48.000 And I say something like, if you are anti-war, your best bet right now, functionally, is Donald Trump.

01:22:54.000 You don't have to like Donald Trump, you don't have to think he's got a domestic policy, but if your core principles are war is bad, Even, even Dave Smith, staunch libertarian, uh, who was potentially going to be a libertarian candidate, says, no, Trump is bad on war, he was increasing drone strikes, he was reducing transparency, and then I made the point, and he still set a timeline for withdrawing out of, getting out of Afghanistan, he still set a timeline, uh, he tried to get our troops out of Syria, was lied to, and even Dave Smith says, man, like, the incremental argument is correct.

01:23:23.000 Donald Trump was better, no new wars, there were still problems with foreign policy, but better than all the rest.

01:23:30.000 You'll still get Democrats and liberals who are anti-war but would support the Clintons, Joe Biden, expansion of war in Ukraine, and they would justify it.

01:23:40.000 Hassan Piker is a great example.

01:23:41.000 I love saying his name because of how it freaks them out.

01:23:44.000 But he simultaneously holds the position that the military-industrial complex is bad, but that we should also be funding them to fight a war in Ukraine.

01:23:52.000 There's just a fracture of worldview that I don't think can be mended because it seems to be rooted in, do you believe the corporate narrative or do you believe the truth?

01:24:02.000 And if you believe the truth, then you are right-wing.

01:24:05.000 And if you believe the corporate narrative, you are left-wing.

01:24:07.000 So it's not even a function of your political values anymore.

01:24:10.000 I think over the years any one of us, you know, I will tell you the things that I'm talking about today are pretty much the things I've been talking about throughout my political career.

01:24:20.000 Now, years ago I may have been labeled one way and now today I may be labeled another.

01:24:26.000 I'm the same person.

01:24:28.000 But I want to go underneath that.

01:24:30.000 You know, in the House of Representatives, Above the floor of the house, there's a canopy of a very large eagle spread with its wings spread across the floor, you know, across the house.

01:24:43.000 It's etched in glass.

01:24:44.000 It's really a beautiful sight.

01:24:47.000 And whenever I look at it, I'm reminded that that American eagle needs two wings to fly, okay?

01:24:54.000 And it also needs a heart and a brain.

01:25:00.000 And so I hope to be able to bring a perspective that respects the views of everyone, but tries to find the connective tissue that keeps us together as a nation, tries to appeal to our heart and to our head as well.

01:25:17.000 But to me, based on modern politics, it sounds like you're just a Republican.

01:25:23.000 That pitch, which I respect completely, and I think an independent Congress could be tremendously powerful and effective, I still think the end result is your position is still going to be viewed as right-wing.

01:25:38.000 The argument that we get from progressive activists, and not so much your typical Democrat, they tend to be more establishment, corporatist, but so are the Republicans.

01:25:48.000 I'm not trying to say they're not.

01:25:50.000 But when it comes to the younger activist base, and this is where we're heading with the splitting, the polarization is very much based in demographic, If you are not with us, you're against us.

01:26:02.000 If you are a centrist, you're actually right-wing.

01:26:06.000 A common trope of the left is to criticize anybody who's saying what you are doing as someone who is right-wing.

01:26:15.000 The example being there's a meme where there's the Klan and black people on each side.

01:26:21.000 And the Klan is saying, holding up signs saying they want to kill black people, and the black people are saying we just want civil rights, and the centrist in the middle is holding up a sign saying compromise. 0.54

01:26:30.000 Well, that's not realistic. 0.99

01:26:31.000 That's not what, obviously, an independent or a moderate is trying to do.

01:26:35.000 We're trying to say, oh, the people on the right are concerned about the border, the people on the left are concerned about asylum seekers, where's the compromise?

01:26:42.000 But there's a reason why a show like this, which is wide-ranging in political views, it's 80% conservatives who come on the show.

01:26:52.000 Why is that?

01:26:53.000 Liberals refuse to come on the show.

01:26:54.000 100% refuse. 0.99

01:26:55.000 And when they do come on the show, they take as most ridiculous positions one could possibly imagine. 0.85

01:27:01.000 So I'll give you an example. 0.95

01:27:04.000 We invite Marianne Williamson.

01:27:05.000 Are you familiar with Marianne?

01:27:06.000 I know Marianne very well.

01:27:07.000 I think she's very nice, a very nice, lovely, genuine person.

01:27:10.000 I agree. 0.95

01:27:10.000 But she was completely ignorant on a whole wide range of issues that she was advocating for. 0.95

01:27:14.000 For instance, when the issue of censorship came up in books in schools, she said, I think it's wrong the Republicans are trying to get these books out of schools. 0.95

01:27:21.000 I said, okay.

01:27:22.000 So we showed her a few examples and she nearly cried.

01:27:25.000 When she saw the gratuitous sex and the overt racism, she was nearly in tears and she said, I didn't know that they were doing this.

01:27:32.000 Well, right.

01:27:33.000 Now that you do, you're probably going to agree with us these books are bad, and when we say school curriculum should not include graphic sexual depictions for children, teaching them how to do horrible things, you'll probably agree with us.

01:27:46.000 But then that would mean she's a conservative now, she's abandoned that left position.

01:27:50.000 We bring on someone else who's, say, a progressive, who's more of an activist than, say, like a middle-of-the-road Marianne Williamson, and they say things like, a woman should be allowed to get an abortion at the point of birth.

01:28:01.000 I don't see a... But that's what Colorado has.

01:28:05.000 Colorado has passed a bill removing all restrictions, meaning abortion can be performed at the point of birth.

01:28:10.000 They call them partial... And of course, the left always argues, that never happens, that never happens.

01:28:16.000 Sure, but why make it legal, as rare as it may be?

01:28:20.000 But this is a practice where, quite literally, as the baby is being born, they cut the spinal column, killing it.

01:28:26.000 You had the statement from former Governor Northam of Virginia, where he said, in response to a similar bill introduced by a state representative, or a state senator, a legislator, the baby would be delivered, made comfortable, and then the parent, the doctor, could decide what to do with it.

01:28:42.000 As if to imply, the baby was already delivered, and then you would decide to kill it.

01:28:48.000 Oklahoma, on the other hand, has completely banned abortion in every capacity, or to a great degree.

01:28:53.000 Now you have Arizona, of course, upholding their law, which bans abortion in almost every capacity.

01:28:58.000 So in Congress, you run into this.

01:29:01.000 The Republicans right now are screaming at Trump, saying you've abandoned the pro-life position by saying states rights.

01:29:07.000 Which is kind of nuts because that's been the Republican position for my whole life.

01:29:11.000 But now that they've won on Roe v. Wade, Republicans have now gone the exact route everyone expected.

01:29:16.000 It's federal ban on abortion. 1.00

01:29:18.000 We need the ban on abortion federally.

01:29:20.000 Trump says no.

01:29:21.000 We're where we want to be.

01:29:22.000 The states should have it.

01:29:23.000 And we even have super chats, people commenting, saying Trump has abandoned the issue.

01:29:29.000 I fear that you'll find yourself between Republicans and Democrats, and the Republicans are going to say something like abortion is murder and should be banned, and the Democrats are going to say a woman has a right to choose at any point, even the point of birth.

01:29:42.000 Well, what do you do there?

01:29:44.000 You know, I know these are typically like hypercultural or wedge issues, but these tend to be the deep cultural issues that are, I suppose, taking the forefront of people's lives.

01:29:56.000 Now, obviously, immigration is the much bigger issue.

01:30:00.000 Immigration affects us economically. 1.00

01:30:02.000 It's affecting our cities, our crime rates, everything.

01:30:05.000 Well, what do we have?

01:30:06.000 Donald Trump, build the wall, secure the border.

01:30:09.000 Joe Biden, we're going to effectively codify the administration of crossing the border without checkpoint.

01:30:17.000 The bill that they proposed, which Biden referred to as a border security bill, and then duplicitously said on TV, would strengthen the border.

01:30:26.000 Would actually just allow CBP to adjudicate many of these claims on their own.

01:30:29.000 It would, in essence, create a streamlined path for the people who are entering the country illegally. 0.70

01:30:35.000 Now you have Democrats in Chicago, New York, and other big cities very upset over this massive outpouring and surge of illegal immigrants in the country. 0.99

01:30:47.000 But the typical younger progressive and left-leaning position is, let them do it.

01:30:52.000 Support them.

01:30:52.000 Don't deport them for any reason.

01:30:54.000 To where we're getting now.

01:30:57.000 We have one story we didn't get into, but a Venezuelan illegal immigrant tried to rob, they say, according to this report, he's an illegal immigrant, tried to rob a bank, couldn't speak English.

01:31:06.000 We're seeing, you know, crime, typically the Lake and Riley murder, for instance.

01:31:14.000 How do you reconcile two distinctly opposed, hyper-polarized worldviews?

01:31:23.000 That's a very important question.

01:31:28.000 It's not that we have to agree with each other.

01:31:35.000 I mean, the essence of our system is that it's structured so there's going to be a diversity of opinion.

01:31:43.000 I mean, the whole First Amendment, freedom of speech, underpins the right of free expression and say what you think.

01:31:51.000 That's who we are as Americans.

01:31:54.000 It's the capacity to be able to listen to each other and to try to find out where the heart, the frame of reference is for someone.

01:32:05.000 And then you call the roll.

01:32:08.000 That's it.

01:32:11.000 Let me try a difficult question for you.

01:32:14.000 We've had this question asked many times and I'll keep it simple.

01:32:19.000 Do you believe an unborn baby is a person?

01:32:27.000 Metaphysically, but the metaphysics are not necessarily enshrined in the law, and the law has provided, state by state, the point at which an abortion can be executed.

01:32:42.000 But let me just say this.

01:32:44.000 Let's go back into another question of what I think.

01:32:47.000 Would I ever counsel anyone to have an abortion?

01:32:51.000 The answer to that is no, I would not.

01:32:54.000 But so, to get to the root of where I'm going with this, it's not necessarily about your personal politics, but it's a question of, so your position is the states will adjudicate... Well, I'll go one step further, that there's a point at which a woman and her doctor have to make a decision, but I'm not for telling anyone you just want to have an abortion, go ahead. 0.51

01:33:14.000 I think that we need a culture Which is sensitive to life, which I think we ought to have prenatal care, postnatal care, child care.

01:33:29.000 Things that make it possible for a life to blossom.

01:33:33.000 But are there certain circumstances in which you think it is the choice of the woman and discussing with her doctor whether to have an abortion or not?

01:33:41.000 Absolutely.

01:33:42.000 I consider myself to be like the traditional Democrat pro-choice, which is probably like I was saying before the show, like my family, they were big fans of yours back in the day.

01:33:42.000 So I agree.

01:33:51.000 Safe, legal, rare.

01:33:52.000 There's a challenge in where the government can intervene.

01:33:54.000 But this isn't the point.

01:33:56.000 Our belief is not where I'm going with this.

01:33:57.000 Where I'm going with this is Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which in the secondary clause it says, No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws.

01:34:19.000 So, the 14th Amendment says you can't deprive a person of life, liberty, or property without due process.

01:34:24.000 Pro-lifers, people who oppose abortion, unequivocally believe that babies are persons.

01:34:30.000 That they are distinct human beings who should not be killed.

01:34:34.000 Now, we can have an argument about viability, and this was a big point of Roe v. Wade, at what point is the baby dependent upon the mother and then viable and able to survive on its own?

01:34:45.000 The question then becomes, when it comes to abortion, with many blue states legalizing up to the point of birth unrestricted abortion at any point based on a private decision, the question I often ask the progressives and the Democrats is, why kill the baby?

01:35:00.000 If a woman is eight months pregnant, and then the response is, it's rare, it's rare, it's rare.

01:35:05.000 I'm not saying it's not rare, okay?

01:35:06.000 Let's say it happens one time.

01:35:08.000 Why create a legal pathway for which a woman could have a healthy baby at eight months, not want to have it anymore, and kill it? 1.00

01:35:17.000 I don't quite understand that logic.

01:35:19.000 Ultimately, what I'm getting to with this is, There is no compromise at the state level for when a person is allowed to kill a person, right?

01:35:29.000 This is not something the states can answer.

01:35:30.000 I disagree with Trump.

01:35:31.000 I disagree with the right on the state's rights question.

01:35:34.000 I initially, when they were coming towards overturning Roe v. Wade, thought maybe it is better that it'll be at the state level so that we can have this Federalist view of the states will do what they want.

01:35:44.000 And then I actually started reading a bit more about it.

01:35:46.000 Seamus made some good arguments about abortion, and I said, at this point, my position is the Supreme Court must issue a ruling on whether or not the unborn are persons.

01:35:58.000 Because we are dealing now with a constitutional question of, can a state decide when to kill a person without due process?

01:36:06.000 The question at hand is, are the unborn persons?

01:36:09.000 That needs to be answered by the federal government, not the states. 0.98

01:36:12.000 The idea to me that Colorado can say, they're not people, and then just kill them, is too akin to slavery.

01:36:17.000 Well, if the Supreme Court gets to that point, it would have the same impact that Roe v. Wade had had.

01:36:27.000 And that's why, I don't know if I completely agree with the ruling on Roe v. Wade, because it basically just Allowed for abortion to happen in certain like it basically made states that didn't want to have it have to have it.

01:36:41.000 And so but there is still an issue of.

01:36:44.000 The root of this is not the abortion argument.

01:36:45.000 The root of this is, you have many states where they are saying they are killing people, it is genocide.

01:36:54.000 You have other states saying, no it's not, it's fine, they're not people.

01:36:59.000 And we are now finding ourselves in a hyper-polarized position where in this country, for the second time, or maybe not even the second time but, You know, many times this happens, an argument between two dominant political factions as to whether a living entity is legally distinct as a person with legal rights under the Constitution.

01:37:16.000 And the Democrat side argues, if you are not born, and this is up to the point of birth, I mean, Colorado is a great example, but we're looking at Washington, Oregon, these states, they're removing the restrictions saying, Even if the baby could survive on its own, it is still not a person so long it is within the mother and she does have a right to kill it.

01:37:35.000 And then you have the red states going the other direction saying, we're just trying to ban abortion completely and at any point a baby cannot be killed.

01:37:43.000 And so I don't know if that's the right answer, but the point is simply this.

01:37:47.000 I don't know how we can reconcile this question of, does a state have a right to kill a living entity?

01:37:56.000 Does a state have a right to argue whether a human life is alive or not alive or worthy of constitutional protections?

01:38:03.000 I don't see an answer to that question.

01:38:05.000 And it's getting pretty intense.

01:38:07.000 In the 90s, of course, we had moderate compromise of, OK, fine, you know, up to 15 weeks.

01:38:11.000 And then you had Roe v. Wade.

01:38:12.000 And then you had the other.

01:38:13.000 There was another court ruling.

01:38:15.000 But now we're at the point where Colorado has no restrictions.

01:38:19.000 Oklahoma is totally abandoned.

01:38:21.000 So we're getting to that point where you could have a woman in Oklahoma, you know, you have a woman and a man in Oklahoma.

01:38:26.000 She's pregnant. 1.00

01:38:27.000 She's seven months pregnant. 0.88

01:38:28.000 The baby is now viable, can survive on its own.

01:38:30.000 But she realizes this guy's bad for whatever reason.

01:38:34.000 Maybe he's an abuser.

01:38:35.000 Maybe he's not.

01:38:36.000 But let's just say she says, I can't do this relationship.

01:38:38.000 I can't have a child with this man.

01:38:40.000 She can't get an abortion in Oklahoma, so she flees to Colorado, where the doctor says, and advocacy groups, and activists, and they provide guard for her, and they say, we will get you this abortion.

01:38:50.000 The man then says, help, for the love of God, she's going to kill my child, please, someone won't you help me?

01:38:56.000 And then we enter this hyper-polarized worldview, where the man says, it is a baby that can survive on its own, and she will kill it.

01:39:03.000 And the woman says, no, it's a fetus in my womb.

01:39:06.000 It doesn't matter that it can survive on its own.

01:39:08.000 That seems to me like a recipe for disaster and something that cannot be reconciled.

01:39:12.000 Well, you know, should there be reverence for life?

01:39:17.000 Yes, there should be.

01:39:19.000 Now, I'll share with you a personal experience that I had.

01:39:24.000 Years ago, my kid sister, who is now deceased, so I feel free to talk about this, came to me.

01:39:33.000 She said, Dennis, I'm pregnant.

01:39:36.000 What do I do?

01:39:37.000 She was 18 years old.

01:39:41.000 And I advised her to have the baby and then to give it up because she wasn't in a position where she could care for this child. 1.00

01:39:52.000 Absolutely couldn't do it.

01:39:55.000 She had the child and gave it up and years later met her son.

01:40:06.000 Having experiences from a personal family level, I think we have to work to create a society that gives people the ability to make informed choices within the context of laws that support people at various positions of a pregnancy.

01:40:36.000 I supported Roe v. Wade.

01:40:40.000 And still do, except it's not the law anymore.

01:40:43.000 But I think that we, I will say it again, that we need to create a condition where people feel they can be supported to bring pregnancies to term.

01:40:57.000 If they can't handle it, we have to find a way to make sure that every child is wanted and that every child is able to blossom as an individual.

01:41:10.000 Part of the problem, I think, with our culture is the contradictions with the violence that exists in our society that we haven't really dealt with, that it percolates over into how we treat each other and how we treat the unborn.

01:41:29.000 And the violence that exists individually is writ large internationally.

01:41:35.000 There isn't in a relationship.

01:41:37.000 So I think, again, states are doing what they can within the right of states.

01:41:48.000 I don't know, Tim, if we'll ever resolve this, if it is an issue that is going to be resolved nationally within legislatures, within a legislature.

01:42:00.000 It may be another Supreme Court ruling will come along.

01:42:05.000 I don't know.

01:42:05.000 I mean, people who know more than I do are going to have to weigh in on that.

01:42:12.000 I just see from the human heart, we need to value the existence of every living thing.

01:42:22.000 And that's where I come from.

01:42:24.000 So we're going to go to Super Chats, but I want to say one final thing on this.

01:42:27.000 I used to think that Abortion could be akin to slavery in terms of civil war, but I don't think so anymore.

01:42:35.000 Because I was thinking about the track that we're on, especially, and it's most recently with Trump saying, we're gonna let the states decide.

01:42:43.000 It was a conversation we had the other night where I said, the Trump supporters who are recognizing the political nature of Trump's position, which is if you're for a federal ban, you will lose.

01:42:53.000 Recognize that allowing the left to kill babies, at least in the short term, is worth the political victory in the long term.

01:43:00.000 That is to say, they hope Trump may actually enact more restrictions if he does win. 0.93

01:43:04.000 And I started thinking about that, and I said, there is an amount of babies the right is okay with being murdered.

01:43:09.000 And I'm not saying that I think abortion is murder the same way they do.

01:43:11.000 I'm saying in their worldview, abortion is murder.

01:43:14.000 There is a certain amount of babies they're okay with being killed if it means they can win the political battle in the short term so that in the long term they can stop a greater evil, I suppose, a utilitarian argument.

01:43:24.000 The reason why I would say now I don't think abortion could lead to something akin to the Civil War with slavery is because babies can't fight for themselves.

01:43:31.000 And probably the straw in the camel's back for the Civil War was the fact that you had former slaves organizing with abolitionists.

01:43:40.000 Today, it's pro-lifers who say abortion is murder, but then will say, yeah, but it's acceptable in certain capacity if it means we're going to win political victories.

01:43:50.000 If you had a situation where there's a group of people that were being systematically killed, and they broke free and they escaped, started organizing, and let's say the argument for pro-life and pro-choice was not about the helpless.

01:44:03.000 Let's say that the targets of this genocide were able-bodied, fully grown humans.

01:44:08.000 Like slavery.

01:44:09.000 In the states where they allow the killing of these people on a whim, at the discretion of, say, the mother, these individuals could escape, they could fight back, they would rally and organize with the pro-life factions in these red states, and that would actually give you a large political movement of people opposing it.

01:44:25.000 But so long as babies can't actually do anything, and conservatives are willing to accept concessions to win the political argument, the elections, then I don't see abortion ever escalating to

01:44:34.000 that degree.

01:44:35.000 I think it probably ends up where we are now with some states allowing abortion at the

01:44:39.000 point of birth and some banning it outright.

01:44:41.000 But we should go to Super Chats, otherwise I'm ranting.

01:44:43.000 And I am.

01:44:44.000 I think you made a great point.

01:44:45.000 Yeah, babies can't fight back, so there will be no organizing to save babies.

01:44:50.000 Just people who are upset that it's happening, but don't really want to... You know, it's like a former slave says, I know what this is like, and I will stop it.

01:44:57.000 And brilliant people like Frederick Douglass, who... I believe he bought himself and his wife out of slavery.

01:45:05.000 And so they know what they're fighting against, and they are principal organizers and great thinkers, but babies can't do that.

01:45:10.000 You know, so you do have people who may have almost been aborted or their parents considered it, and there are failed abortions.

01:45:17.000 But for the most part, it's adults who are just living their lives.

01:45:20.000 But again, super chats!

01:45:20.000 They don't have that.

01:45:22.000 So if you haven't already, please smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and let's see what you got!

01:45:29.000 Robert De La Cruz says, where's Clint?

01:45:31.000 Oof.

01:45:31.000 Clint Torres, not heard about yet.

01:45:34.000 I heard about Clint Russell, the VP for the Libertarian Party, as far as I'm concerned.

01:45:39.000 Rusted Barrens has been meaning to say this, but it's just been busy on Easter Sunday.

01:45:43.000 My beautiful wife gave birth to our lovely son, Thorvin.

01:45:47.000 First half of his name came from my third and fifth great-grandfathers.

01:45:50.000 Thor, last name Van.

01:45:51.000 Wow, congratulations.

01:45:52.000 That's awesome.

01:45:54.000 All right.

01:45:56.000 Alija Nikov says, don't just blame the politicians.

01:45:58.000 The people of Texas voted for Crenshaw over Ellison back in March.

01:46:01.000 The American people just don't have the intellectual capacity or desire for a good government.

01:46:05.000 Hey, speak for yourself.

01:46:07.000 Just kidding.

01:46:09.000 I think people need to realize that... I can't remember who told us this, but you can probably speak to this more, Dennis.

01:46:15.000 There are certain Republican members of Congress who live in districts where the principal economic driver is military-industrial complex.

01:46:24.000 Well, it's not just certain Republicans.

01:46:27.000 I will tell you that that military-industrial complex is embedded in every single district in America.

01:46:37.000 And when the appropriation cycle begins, individuals from each district We'll visit the member of Congress and ask them to vote for the military appropriation, the Pentagon's appropriation.

01:46:55.000 They call it defense but it's not defense.

01:46:57.000 We were talking to someone and we asked like why is it that these deeply unpopular Republicans still win in their districts?

01:47:04.000 And what we were told is like, so this particular district has like a manufacturing plant for a component for Boeing or something.

01:47:11.000 These people are going to vote for the pro-war candidate every single time because it's their job.

01:47:15.000 Not necessarily.

01:47:16.000 I mean, I knew a Republican, you know, he had been a former Democrat, Walter Jones from North Carolina, and he had a very large base in his district, and there was a point at which he consistently voted against the wars.

01:47:32.000 So, you know, I'm I don't think that's the only variable, but does it have influence?

01:47:38.000 Of course it does.

01:47:39.000 Absolutely.

01:47:41.000 Is it the decisive factor in what people do?

01:47:44.000 No.

01:47:44.000 But is it a factor?

01:47:45.000 Yes.

01:47:46.000 Sure.

01:47:48.000 All right.

01:47:49.000 Alabama Elise says, Hey Tim, my daughter Gabby, nine, starred in a music video that dropped today, and she would love to get a shout out.

01:47:55.000 Forest Black is the artist.

01:47:57.000 Name of the song is You Were Mine.

01:47:59.000 Ready the tissues.

01:47:59.000 Ooh.

01:48:00.000 Nice job, Gabby.

01:48:03.000 Stonebleed says, sue back!

01:48:05.000 HuffPost is guilty of worse.

01:48:06.000 We are not being sued by Huffington Post.

01:48:09.000 You can read the internet, and I won't say too much because any lawyer worth their salt will tell you do not talk about these things.

01:48:16.000 But this one's gonna be a really interesting one is what I can say.

01:48:19.000 So if you, we are being sued.

01:48:21.000 Steven Crowder, Owen Schroyer, Univision, Fox News, a bunch of other outlets.

01:48:27.000 And if you would like to assist us in covering the costs, because... I mean, I'll just be completely honest.

01:48:33.000 It is difficult because you don't want to say too much, but...

01:48:38.000 Legal costs are debilitating.

01:48:39.000 And I'll put it that way.

01:48:41.000 And this one looks like it might matter.

01:48:45.000 So go to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member at whatever level if you would like to help because we're likely just to have to start writing checks to lawyers.

01:48:56.000 But this is what it's like to be in media.

01:48:59.000 So you can read all about it.

01:49:02.000 There's a lot more to it, and I suppose we'll have to issue our statement to the courts before I say anything about it.

01:49:11.000 But suffice it to say, I 100% dispute what we are being sued over, and there's a lot more to be said.

01:49:18.000 I will additionally add, though, when he said sue Huffington Post, Huffington Post said that I was sued.

01:49:22.000 I was not sued.

01:49:23.000 Tim Pool was not sued.

01:49:25.000 Tim Kast's media group, the company, It was sued.

01:49:29.000 In fact, the lawsuit actually specifically mentioned something about me, which is more exculpatory, but I'll leave it at that.

01:49:37.000 Let's go!

01:49:38.000 Sane says, Hey Tim, whatever happened to the Shapiro-Candace debate?

01:49:41.000 Everyone was talking about it and I've heard nothing in a week from either of them.

01:49:43.000 That's what happened to it.

01:49:45.000 Say lovey! 1.00

01:49:45.000 Yep. 1.00

01:49:49.000 John Lively says, I went to school with Jackie.

01:49:52.000 I hope she's doing well.

01:49:53.000 I'm not a liberal, but DK is an all-timer because he sticks to his guns.

01:49:57.000 This is going to be the most important time in your political life.

01:50:02.000 Oh yeah, everybody loves you and Ron Paul.

01:50:04.000 I mean, that's what I was saying.

01:50:04.000 Like, back in the day, during the Ron Paul revolution, everybody I knew, because I'm in Chicago, was like, Dennis Kucinich.

01:50:10.000 Dude, you guys would talk truth on the debate in 08.

01:50:13.000 I mean, it was one of the most televised, hyped debates of all time with Obama, and you were up there just talking about the military-industrial complex.

01:50:19.000 I mean, it was so refreshing.

01:50:21.000 Well, I thank you for saying that, Ian, and thank you, Tim.

01:50:25.000 Ron Paul and I are friends.

01:50:28.000 You know, I just talked to him the day before yesterday.

01:50:30.000 That's great.

01:50:31.000 We stay in touch.

01:50:32.000 And I've always appreciated his willingness to take a stand.

01:50:36.000 And you know, it's very interesting.

01:50:39.000 We had a place where we would tend to sit in the center of the aisle.

01:50:46.000 You know, there's a point where the State of the Union, the President comes down the aisle.

01:50:50.000 Ron Paul and I are sometimes joined by Walter Jones and James Duncan.

01:50:56.000 We sit there in the center as a way of exemplifying that, you know, we're not necessarily attached to either side.

01:51:03.000 We're taking a side of what's best for America.

01:51:07.000 Ron is still at it.

01:51:11.000 He's still in demand.

01:51:13.000 I'm pleased to have been a charter member of the Ron Paul Institute.

01:51:18.000 Nice.

01:51:22.000 Now, do we agree on everything?

01:51:24.000 No!

01:51:25.000 But those things that we've agreed on have had real impact in helping to build strength for peace and for civil liberties and for the Constitution.

01:51:39.000 And those are things, if you start with that, you can settle a lot of things as Americans.

01:51:45.000 And the fact that Ron and I have been able to work together Over the years and you know our relationship goes back now to 1997 so you know do the math.

01:51:55.000 We've been together as friends for 27 years.

01:51:58.000 We hit it off right away.

01:52:00.000 And so Tim to go back to some of the questions you raised.

01:52:05.000 About, you know, is it possible to bring people together in any way?

01:52:09.000 I can use the relationship that Ron and I have built to say you find your commonalities and you build from them.

01:52:16.000 Does not mean you're going to agree on everything, but you find what you do agree on and then go forward.

01:52:23.000 Absolutely.

01:52:25.000 Paul Tascalo says, I was a defense lawyer in a case in 2015 where a FISA warrant was used.

01:52:29.000 It was literally impossible to challenge.

01:52:31.000 No court would hear it.

01:52:32.000 I literally couldn't file the paperwork.

01:52:34.000 No due process.

01:52:35.000 No speedy trial.

01:52:36.000 Nothing.

01:52:37.000 Wow.

01:52:38.000 Traife Brewer says, I'm fine with registering my chickens with the government, but I lost them all to a boating accident.

01:52:44.000 All the, all the poor chickens. 0.92

01:52:46.000 Mr. Muttonchops will be avenged. 1.00

01:52:48.000 Uh, we are, uh, by all legal means, uh, capturing the animal.

01:52:54.000 We don't know what kind of animal it was that took the life of Mr. Muttonchops. 0.97

01:52:58.000 The issue is Mr. Muttonchops was on, uh, the, the property grounds, not on the outskirts of the property.

01:53:05.000 He was literally like by the back door.

01:53:07.000 So he's, he's standing in an area where we are and some, something came.

01:53:12.000 That's really bad.

01:53:13.000 Did you know the story of Muttonchops?

01:53:15.000 He was a rooster.

01:53:16.000 Have you heard?

01:53:17.000 Did he tell you?

01:53:17.000 I haven't heard his story.

01:53:18.000 He kept jumping out of the cage, and we couldn't- we'd put him back in, and he'd jump out again, and eventually something got him.

01:53:23.000 But- We don't know yet.

01:53:25.000 So, Mr. Muttonchops, we actually culled most of the roosters and ate them.

01:53:28.000 But because he was so adventurous, he was spared.

01:53:31.000 He was able to live.

01:53:32.000 But we knew it was only a matter of time.

01:53:34.000 So, uh... No wonder he kept trying to escape after we murdered all his friends, that's so funny.

01:53:38.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:53:40.000 He was escaping before we murdered his friends, and because he was escaping, we decided he was strong genes and would live.

01:53:45.000 But, uh, he jumped out, as he would every day.

01:53:48.000 But he walks around the yard, he doesn't go to the back, he doesn't go in the woods.

01:53:52.000 He was, he was very close to our back door.

01:53:55.000 And a predator came and annihilated him and the feathers are all strewn about everywhere.

01:54:00.000 Anybody who knows anything knows you cannot have animals who are not scared of coming onto your property for a variety of reasons, so we have to trap it because this is something that's scared of humans.

01:54:09.000 And that's very, very, very bad.

01:54:10.000 A wild animal, predator of some sort, presumably a raccoon or a fox or a coyote, that is not scared of people, in broad daylight, it was like at noon, Where everyone's here walking around working, came onto the property, very dangerous.

01:54:23.000 Someone could get bit, so we're gonna trap it and then it will be legally, appropriately dealt with.

01:54:32.000 So we have specialists, we're gonna call and- Relocate it.

01:54:35.000 No, you can't do that.

01:54:36.000 Oh, okay.

01:54:36.000 That is not legal.

01:54:37.000 Jesus.

01:54:38.000 Yeah.

01:54:38.000 So, a company takes care of it, but I mean, there could also be rabies, there could be a variety of issues, so it has to be, you know, properly done with, I don't know, animal control perhaps.

01:54:49.000 We'll see, we'll see.

01:54:50.000 Melissa Wood says, Cheers and much respect to Dennis Kucinich.

01:54:53.000 You are a true anti-war patriot.

01:54:55.000 Ron Paul was my influence that led me to you.

01:54:57.000 I've learned that this is no longer an R versus D fight.

01:55:00.000 Most of us can see the problems, just don't agree how to solve them.

01:55:03.000 That's the thing, you know, I was saying before, like, Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks was running for president.

01:55:09.000 And I'm like, I'd take him over Biden.

01:55:11.000 Like, at least he'd be, like, I'd find him to be at least closer to anti-war.

01:55:15.000 At least he would pardon Julian Assange.

01:55:17.000 All the rest of his stuff is terrible, but he'd get way worse with Joe Biden.

01:55:21.000 You know, take what you can get.

01:55:26.000 Good thing 731 says, when do we the people enact the rights granted to use by our founding fathers to alter or abolish the government when it becomes destructive to our rights?

01:55:35.000 That's literally the lawsuit.

01:55:37.000 Right.

01:55:38.000 You file lawsuits, you convention of states, there's like a whole wide range of these things.

01:55:42.000 And, um, well, I would say for now, file your lawsuits, file the challenges, register voters, and then let's, you know, see what happens in November if we do well.

01:55:55.000 I have a vision.

01:55:57.000 I have a vision of Trump winning.

01:56:00.000 You know?

01:56:00.000 I like when you have visions.

01:56:01.000 That's right.

01:56:02.000 There's a lot of- I don't know, I'm just saying, I was like, it's meaningless, but what I mean is, I'm not saying I had a psychic vision, I'm saying, the other day when I woke up, and I was like putting on my contacts, I just had the image in my mind of us during the show in Martinsburg on November, and them saying, Donald Trump will be your 47th, and I was like, man, it just felt like that's the track we were on.

01:56:24.000 So that's why I'm saying like, For the people who are concerned and think he's, you know, the path towards dealing with the corruption and everything, you have to vote.

01:56:35.000 Register voters.

01:56:38.000 You gotta register everybody.

01:56:39.000 That's, you know, there's a lot of people that, like, talk about, like, uh, high energy responses on the internet, so they like to talk about getting all excited and stuff, when really the thing that they should do first is, like, actually make it to, like, vote in November, right?

01:56:56.000 Like, because a lot of the people that Like to get, you know, loud on the internet and say volatile things or say inflammatory things.

01:57:06.000 They're not voting for their congressman.

01:57:07.000 They might go and vote for the president, but most people don't go and pay much attention.

01:57:13.000 So a lot of people that, you know, talking about watering trees and stuff, maybe you should just go ahead and see what you can do.

01:57:21.000 For your Select Me, your local area.

01:57:23.000 I just registered.

01:57:24.000 I registered unaffiliated because I have no idea about these political parties.

01:57:27.000 I don't know what that means.

01:57:29.000 In Ohio, if you're a Democratic candidate, they'll put Democrat under your name, Republican under your name.

01:57:36.000 I'm running as an Independent, so my name's just on there.

01:57:40.000 I don't have any label at all.

01:57:43.000 I think we should ban labels on ballots.

01:57:46.000 That's a very interesting thought.

01:57:47.000 Because there was this funny story where a transgender satanist anarchist in New Hampshire ran as a Republican sheriff candidate and I believe won the primary, right?

01:57:57.000 Yeah, I voted for her. 0.58

01:58:00.000 But it's because the Republicans didn't know anything about it.

01:58:02.000 It's like, I don't care, Republican, you get my vote. 0.69

01:58:04.000 And then found out it was a transgender anarchist satanist and got really mad. 0.97

01:58:08.000 And I'm like, that's your fault, you voted for her.

01:58:10.000 So, I think if we got rid of political parties on the ballot, you would get a lot of people who would look and be like, I don't know who these people are, so I'm not going to vote for one of them.

01:58:18.000 And it would stop this... Like, the reason Nancy Pelosi keeps winning, even though she's deeply unpopular, well, it's because she's a Democrat.

01:58:26.000 People say, I'm just gonna vote Democrat.

01:58:27.000 Whatever.

01:58:27.000 And if Nancy Pelosi's name was on a ballot, they're gonna vote Nancy Pelosi.

01:58:31.000 They know she is.

01:58:32.000 But in a lot of districts, what I think this begins to do is, I go to vote, I know Dennis Kucinich.

01:58:39.000 I like Dennis Kucinich.

01:58:40.000 I say, I'm gonna vote for that guy.

01:58:42.000 That's me.

01:58:44.000 John Doe walks in and goes, Bill Smith?

01:58:48.000 Dennis Kucinich?

01:58:48.000 I don't know who any of these people are.

01:58:49.000 Where's the Democrat or Republican?

01:58:51.000 And they don't vote.

01:58:51.000 Eh, whatever.

01:58:52.000 So low-information voters...

01:58:55.000 Don't vote!

01:58:56.000 Or they vote randomly, and that means that you're more likely to get the will of the people.

01:59:01.000 At least, in one sense.

01:59:02.000 And it also points out the importance of campaigning.

01:59:05.000 Oh yeah.

01:59:06.000 I mean, the idea of reaching out directly, which is what I've tried to do throughout my career.

01:59:11.000 And it eliminates this, I'm a Democrat, vote for me!

01:59:14.000 You know, can I take a buzzer shot here, because I know we're getting close.

01:59:17.000 Yeah, this is about it, we're wrapping up.

01:59:18.000 Because Phil, I neglected to go back to you on a question that you asked about the World Health Organization.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, they're trying to come up with a treaty right now.

01:59:28.000 This is important.

01:59:29.000 That would vitiate the sovereignty of the United States of America.

01:59:33.000 We wouldn't be able to make our own decisions about health care, about how to... This treaty that they're seeking would set off a whole new creation of... New bureaucracy?

01:59:50.000 Well, no, what it'll do is it'll cause a proliferation of bioweapons because they're going to have gain-of-function research that'll be global, and the Biological Weapons Convention was supposed to stop that, so we're venturing into an era where not only is our sovereignty going to be wiped out the same way decisions were removed from the Congress by the World Trade Organization, but it's also going to result in the very pharmaceutical companies that are controlling a number of health care policies in this country to have global impact and to remove from the United States any ability to be able to make our decisions in the interest of Americans.

02:00:40.000 And this is a, you know, I would urge everyone who's paying attention to this show, and you've got a very informed viewership and listenership, to look at this WHO treaty and contact your attorney general in your state and ask them to get involved, as some attorney generals are beginning to do, to block any agreement at a state level.

02:01:07.000 One of the things that Dennis is talking about, James Lindsay, who's Conceptual James on Twitter, he's been talking about it as well.

02:01:13.000 You can follow him, and he's got a bunch of posts referring to it.

02:01:17.000 We're going to wrap things up though.

02:01:18.000 This has been a blast, Dennis.

02:01:19.000 Thank you so much for hanging out.

02:01:20.000 It is Friday night, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and support us by going to TimCast.com and clicking join us.

02:01:28.000 Did I mention we're being sued?

02:01:30.000 Uh, we have two choices.

02:01:31.000 We can launch, like, a fundraiser and say, like, we need to raise... this could be a lot of money.

02:01:35.000 Uh, or I can just say, become a member at Timcast and we're gonna do our best and we'll see what happens.

02:01:42.000 I don't want to say too much until I get word back from our legal team and where this goes, so it is what it is.

02:01:46.000 You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.

02:01:48.000 You can follow me personally at Timcast.

02:01:50.000 Dennis, do you want to shout anything out?

02:01:52.000 Yeah, first of all, thank you.

02:01:54.000 You know, thanks to you and the crew here for inviting me in.

02:01:59.000 People want more information about the campaign, please go to Kucinich.com and we're going to keep people posted on what's going on now in America and what can happen that can be very positive.

02:02:10.000 I have a very optimistic view of the future of America, but only if, you know, we all stay involved.

02:02:17.000 And I appreciate that you have a very involved audience here.

02:02:21.000 Well thank you for hanging out, and George, he was here, he said I think four words, but do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:26.000 Well I've had the coolest front row seat of all time, so I'm with you listeners, nothing special tonight, just I'm G Prime, 85, the cartoonist, and I will be resuming cartoons in a few weeks, months, so stay tuned.

02:02:41.000 We need to get a couple new ones for the new studio actually.

02:02:43.000 Yeah, I'm gonna buy a nice big fat printer so I can Because you know what I was thinking?

02:02:47.000 I love the one where Biden electrocutes people.

02:02:49.000 That's my favorite one.

02:02:50.000 I'm sure that'll be happening in real life too.

02:02:53.000 And then we have the Trump, but he's very small and he's wearing the armor suit downstairs.

02:02:56.000 But they're old, you know what I mean?

02:02:56.000 Yes.

02:02:58.000 It's like, these are jokes from a few years ago, so it's time for some updates.

02:03:01.000 But we'll get them, we'll get them.

02:03:01.000 I guess.

02:03:03.000 I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.

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02:03:15.000 And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

02:03:17.000 I'm gonna be on the way to New Hampshire tonight.

02:03:20.000 Stay to the right if you're gonna steal. 0.99

02:03:22.000 You animal! 0.98

02:03:23.000 I'm Ian Crosland.

02:03:24.000 You guys, thanks for coming, man.

02:03:25.000 Great conversation.

02:03:26.000 Dude, Dennis, so good to see you, dude.

02:03:27.000 So, Kucinich.com.

02:03:29.000 Right.

02:03:29.000 And on Twitter?

02:03:31.000 X, Dennis underscore Kucinich.

02:03:33.000 Right.

02:03:33.000 Love it.

02:03:34.000 Great to see you.

02:03:35.000 Thanks so much.

02:03:35.000 Thank you for coming.

02:03:36.000 Looking forward.

02:03:36.000 And when do people vote?

02:03:37.000 When is the vote in Ohio?

02:03:38.000 Well, November.

02:03:39.000 It's a November ballot.

02:03:40.000 I'll be on the November ballot in Ohio, District 7.

02:03:43.000 Okay, so people go out and register in Ohio now.

02:03:46.000 Get funky, have fun with it, and I'll see you later.

02:03:49.000 See you guys later.

02:03:49.000 Bye.

02:03:51.000 Have a good weekend.

02:03:52.000 Thank you very much for coming.

02:03:53.000 Appreciate seeing you guys as well, George.

02:03:55.000 Yeah, see you later.

02:03:56.000 All right, everybody.

02:03:57.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:03:58.000 We'll have clips throughout the weekend.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 12, 2024

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