Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - GOP Bill Will SLASH Immigration By 85%, GUT Hart-Celler Act | Timcast IRL

00:01:05.000 Ron DeSantis has endorsed the most drastic change to our immigration policy in probably the last 60 years.

00:01:12.000 The Freedom Caucus, Andy Ogles, Tommy Tuberville, they've proposed sweeping changes to the American immigration system.

00:01:18.000 And it's very ambitious.

00:01:19.000 We're going to see if it goes anywhere.

00:01:20.000 But this says quite a bit about the current mood in the right wing, in the GOP.

00:01:24.000 There's a lot to get into.

00:01:26.000 We also have a massive documentary dropping.

00:01:28.000 It has already dropped, actually. 1.00

00:01:29.000 And it exposes the massive fraud going on in the H 1B system.

00:01:34.000 We're going to dig into that, what the findings were.

00:01:36.000 It's an unbelievable documentary.

00:01:38.000 It really just illustrates how bad things have really gotten.

00:01:41.000 We also have a shocking story out of Britain where a stabbing victim was arrested for being stabbed.

00:01:47.000 Things are getting wacky and wild over in Britain.

00:01:49.000 We're going to get into what that says about America because, quite frankly, there is a lot of crossover.

00:01:53.000 These things are very relevant to our affairs here in the United States.

00:01:57.000 We have an interesting story out of Germany where their chancellor has said he would not tell his children to move to America anymore.

00:02:04.000 The relationship between the Europeans and Americans has soured a bit over the last few years.

00:02:08.000 And this story.

00:02:09.000 I think it says a lot about that relationship.

00:02:11.000 And finally, probably the biggest story, probably the last year, the Michael Jackson biopic has dropped.

00:02:17.000 It is topping the box office charts.

00:02:20.000 It's really an unbelievable story.

00:02:22.000 I think that says a lot about the right wing, specifically, if you had to ask me.

00:02:25.000 An unbelievable, unbelievable story.

00:02:26.000 So we're going to get into that and so much more.

00:02:29.000 I am your host, Tate Brown, here holding it down, attempting to hold it down.

00:02:32.000 We are missing our valiant leader, Tim Poole, but he is up to some really exciting stuff that you guys will probably be seeing much more from.

00:02:39.000 Very soon.

00:02:40.000 But before we get into today's show, I want to give a quick shout out to our community, the Discord community.

00:02:44.000 We have our community showcase shout out.

00:02:47.000 It is the book Owl and Hawk by Louisa Koch.

00:02:50.000 Unbelievable story here.

00:02:52.000 Louisa Koch is the pen name of Maria Wise, who lives just outside of St. Louis, Missouri, with her husband Clark and four children.

00:02:58.000 A pen name was necessary when she originally published in 2015 due to lack of support from her first husband, who ultimately abandoned the marriage three months before the release of her first book.

00:03:08.000 She continues to write under this name for the sake of continuity.

00:03:11.000 Very smart.

00:03:12.000 She remarried in 2017 and the untimely death of her ex husband.

00:03:17.000 Maria is a former oncology and hospice nurse who maintains her license but has not practiced since the birth of her third child in 2018.

00:03:24.000 But this is where this book comes in.

00:03:25.000 The Owl and Hawk was just released on Easter Monday of this year.

00:03:30.000 It is Luisa's first self illustrated project.

00:03:33.000 The Owl and Hawk are best friends, but their time together is limited by the fact that one owl sleeps during the day and the other at night.

00:03:40.000 The story has subtle anti trans messaging.

00:03:43.000 By highlighting that we are all designed with certain strengths and weaknesses that will make us who we are.

00:03:48.000 There are at least four stories in this series to follow.

00:03:51.000 The second book, Owl and Hawk in the Cave Rescue, is already completed and will be available on Amazon starting July 1st, 2026.

00:03:58.000 Some seriously exciting stuff.

00:04:00.000 And yeah, you can find her on Discord at Mimey Mommy or Instagram with the same handle that is M A I M Y Mommy.

00:04:07.000 She's also on YouTube, Mom of Four Song Covers.

00:04:10.000 So some really exciting stuff.

00:04:11.000 Shout out to our Discord community.

00:04:13.000 But with that, On this Friday, I have assembled a rock star panel.

00:04:17.000 This is a high octane panel, some really exciting stuff.

00:04:20.000 So I think we should just get right into the news.

00:04:22.000 But first, before we do, I got to introduce our fantastic guest today.

00:04:26.000 First off, we got the great Jeremy Carl.

00:04:28.000 Jeremy, thanks for coming out.

00:04:29.000 Who are you and what do you do?

00:04:31.000 I'm a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute.

00:04:33.000 And I write a lot.

00:04:35.000 And occasionally I go before the Senate and get yelled at.

00:04:38.000 Some folks may have seen that.

00:04:40.000 And yeah, working on a new book and just happy to be on.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, well, thanks for coming out.

00:04:45.000 Super exciting stuff.

00:04:46.000 And we're going to get into the book and all that and so much more.

00:04:48.000 We've got Scott Greer is here.

00:04:50.000 Yes, I am Scott Greer, writer, highly respected writer and podcaster.

00:04:54.000 I have a new book coming out this summer called White Pill The Online Right and the Making of Trump's America.

00:05:00.000 And everyone should get it at the book provider that they prefer.

00:05:04.000 It'll be available for pre order on Amazon and all the great stores that you can find it at.

00:05:08.000 Exciting.

00:05:09.000 I'm so excited for the White Pill book.

00:05:10.000 I think this is going to be a generational publish.

00:05:13.000 Stephen Edgerton is here.

00:05:14.000 Stephen, what's going on?

00:05:15.000 I'm a documentary filmmaker based in the US for GB News, a British TV network in London.

00:05:21.000 Awesome.

00:05:21.000 Well, Stephen, thank you very much for joining.

00:05:23.000 We got the great Ian Crossland.

00:05:24.000 Yeah, the discourse level has been high, I've noticed, before the show.

00:05:27.000 It was very high IQ.

00:05:29.000 So I'm going to do my best not to take it off the rails.

00:05:32.000 And talk about God and spirits.

00:05:34.000 But we are talking about, you know, morphing our government into some sort of digital thing.

00:05:38.000 That could be a very interesting philosophical conversation.

00:05:41.000 Carter Banks, what's happening, brother?

00:05:43.000 The collective IQ in this room is off the charts right now. 1.00

00:05:46.000 We're going to kill it today.

00:05:47.000 Well, that's why I'm here to drop it back down, drop the average IQ back down to earth. 0.98

00:05:50.000 So with that, I think we should get into this first story.

00:05:53.000 This is, everyone's been talking about it.

00:05:54.000 It's all over Twitter, it's all over the news, quite frankly.

00:05:57.000 Ron DeSantis put this tweet out.

00:05:59.000 Really interesting stuff here.

00:06:01.000 Both the Hart Cellar Act of 1965 and the additions to it in the early 90s need to be repealed.

00:06:06.000 So many examples of putting American citizens last in those pieces of legislation.

00:06:10.000 Now, what does he talk about?

00:06:11.000 Is this just out of the blue?

00:06:12.000 Well, no.

00:06:12.000 What's interesting here is Andy Ogles has led the conservative proposal from House conservatives.

00:06:21.000 This is per Fox News.

00:06:22.000 The House conservatives unveil bill to end chain migration, scrap diversity visa, and sweeping immigration overhaul.

00:06:28.000 Rep. Andy Ogles is pushing a repeal of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

00:06:34.000 Rep. Andy Ogles, obviously from the great state of Tennessee.

00:06:36.000 Is leading a new bill that would shift the American immigration system from a family based focus, largely ending chain migration and prioritizing immigrants who serve the national interest of the United States.

00:06:47.000 Quote from text that was obtained by Fox News Digital All immigration to the United States shall serve the economic, cultural, and security interests of the United States as determined by Congress.

00:06:56.000 And this is key here.

00:06:57.000 It would also eliminate the diversity visa lottery, an annual quota allowing for 55,000 immigrant visas for people from countries with otherwise low migration rates to the United States.

00:07:08.000 And this was Andy Ogle's initial proposition here that he put on Twitter.

00:07:11.000 This is what Ron DeSantis was obviously commenting on and effectively endorsing.

00:07:16.000 Excited to announce that my 83 page Assimilation Act has been introduced.

00:07:20.000 Months of labor were undertaken by my staff, Senator Tuberville of Alabama, the great state of Alabama, and myself to gut the Hart Cellar Act of 1965, as well as scrapped provisions of the Immigration Act of the 1990s.

00:07:32.000 The goal of this bill is simple end replacement migration and ensure American cultural cohesion. 0.61

00:07:37.000 This bill will end the H 1B scam, ensure migrants never become a public charge. 0.78

00:07:42.000 And make America look like America again. 0.90

00:07:44.000 That is very key.

00:07:46.000 FYI, net immigration decreased by 85% under this bill.

00:07:50.000 So, this is some really fascinating stuff.

00:07:52.000 I think before we get into the meat and potatoes here, we do need an explanation of the Hart Cellar Act.

00:07:57.000 Obviously, this changed the fabric of American society quite dramatically.

00:08:00.000 Thankfully, we have Jeremy Carr here.

00:08:01.000 I don't know if anyone can precisely explain what has changed in our immigration system better than Jeremy.

00:08:07.000 Well, I'll do my best. 0.55

00:08:08.000 So, the Hart Cellar Immigration Act is an act that's done in 1965 in the wake of.

00:08:14.000 Of President Kennedy's assassination.

00:08:16.000 And the reason why that's relevant in particular is that John F. Kennedy, while he's a senator but looking to become president of the United States, eventually publishes a book with the notorious ADL called A Nation of Immigrants.

00:08:29.000 This is, by the way, if you are familiar, your listeners, with that phrase and just think that, oh, we've always called ourselves a nation of immigrants, no, the origin of that phrase is literally from that book.

00:08:39.000 So they were sort of trying to reconstitute a little bit of American identity.

00:08:43.000 And what this does is this essentially replaced the 1924 Immigration Act.

00:08:47.000 Which was the most strict immigration control act that we had ever had in America.

00:08:52.000 It had strict national origins requirements, and it was essentially designed to preserve the demographic balance of the United States and what it had been in the late 19th century.

00:09:02.000 Hart Cellar, it's a complicated bill, so I'm not going to summarize it quickly, but it overturns all that.

00:09:08.000 It allows chain migration ultimately, and frankly, it did some of these things that were genuinely not expected.

00:09:18.000 And you can actually go back and read the congressional debate and see that, and you have people like Hubert Humphrey, who was the senator from Minnesota later.

00:09:26.000 Democrat vice president saying, Hey, this is not going to affect the demographic balance of the United States.

00:09:30.000 And then it went to do precisely that.

00:09:33.000 And even three years later, one of the things I found doing research for this book, I have to hold it up here The Unprotected Class, in my immigration chapter, I did find a primary source from the New York Times three years later where they had not been expecting that we were going to get a bunch of Latin American immigration from Hartzeller.

00:09:49.000 It was basically all about letting in more Poles and Italians and sort of Central European Catholics who had been discriminated against under the previous regime.

00:10:00.000 When they found out that we were, in fact, getting a much different demographic mix than they had expected early on, they quote in this New York Times piece from 1968, an anonymous congressman saying, Yeah, we'd actually like to change this, but we don't want to look like racists.

00:10:15.000 And I think that's really interesting because I think people sort of perceive, oh, you know, the woke came with George Floyd or whatever.

00:10:21.000 This shows even at a time in which, you know, there actually was a fair bit of racism in the United States in the 1960s, people were so sensitive about not looking like racists, quote unquote, that.

00:10:33.000 They, even though a bill was doing something very different than what they wanted it to do, they didn't go and fix it.

00:10:38.000 So that's why, partially, we are in the place we are today.

00:10:40.000 I mean, because as I understand it, I mean, the initial fears from when this bill was being discussed was that it would open the door to like mass migration from Europe.

00:10:48.000 Like, that's what they were initially fearful of, which is just crazy.

00:10:51.000 It shows how quickly the national mood in America has changed, where it's not even up for debate, you know, until thankfully the last few years, I think mostly because of President Trump, that sort of countries that would be culturally more assimilable into the United States nations.

00:11:05.000 We're given no credence in the modern immigration system.

00:11:07.000 And that was a massive departure from hundreds of years of an American consensus on how immigration ought to work.

00:11:12.000 Sure.

00:11:13.000 Going back to the 1790 Immigration Act, which you can read, and they talk about who we want to come here and not being a public charge and things like that and being culturally assimilable.

00:11:23.000 They don't use those words because they didn't exist back then. 0.68

00:11:25.000 If you imagine a tribal island group, if we just imported them and immigrated them into our country, how different that would be than some French.

00:11:35.000 A French family, a French Catholic family. 0.99

00:11:37.000 Yeah. 0.86

00:11:37.000 And, and, but that, like, you gotta, gotta pose that drastic counterposition so that people can understand how detrimental it would be to import people with, like, not psychotically, that maybe that's not the right word, but it seems almost like if they do eat humans, if they're cannibals, or if they kill and eat cats, you know, or whatever, they wipe feces on themselves. 0.86

00:11:55.000 I don't know what kind of cultural things they do, but, like, if you just, like, inundate a country with some bizarre difference, you gotta, you're gonna, there's gonna be suffering involved in it.

00:12:03.000 Well, and this has been the bizarre, uh, Debate that, to much of my frustration, I've been having to have with some on the right because they're insisting, oh no, we're just a creedal nation.

00:12:12.000 If you mouth these words, you know, you're automatically eligible to be a good American.

00:12:17.000 And people like me are saying, you know, actually, the American creeds are important and we should talk about them.

00:12:21.000 But by the way, we're not kicking out anybody who doesn't believe in them.

00:12:24.000 That seems kind of significant.

00:12:26.000 But we're a people with a creed, we're not just this amorphous creed.

00:12:31.000 And there are too many people on the right, Vivek Ramaswamy, very prominently in the political realm.

00:12:38.000 But not exclusively to him.

00:12:40.000 There are all these people coming out.

00:12:41.000 I'm just trying to remember who said it most recently. 0.86

00:12:43.000 Oh, it was Justice Gorsuch, who was kind of making this totally ridiculous argument to me.

00:12:49.000 But it's just, this is Boomer Con stuff, unfortunately. 0.61

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:53.000 And that was the thing that you guys were bringing up is like the immigration concern.

00:12:57.000 It was Eastern and Southern Europeans that was still a concern at this time in the mid 20th century.

00:13:02.000 And they had tried to have a liberal immigration bill with the 1952 Immigration Act.

00:13:06.000 And this was being pushed by Harry Truman and a lot of prominent Democrats.

00:13:10.000 But the national mood was very much turned against it.

00:13:12.000 And what they imagined is they were going to bring all these displaced persons from World War II, which there were still many in the 1950s.

00:13:18.000 But the Immigration Act of 1952.

00:13:22.000 Actually, reaffirmed a lot of the restrictions that were found in the 1924 Immigration Act.

00:13:26.000 But things had changed over a decade later with the 65 Act.

00:13:30.000 Now, they did have these concerns.

00:13:31.000 There were senators who were raising concerns about the potential of all these Latin Americans coming here. 1.00

00:13:37.000 And Sam Irvin, who went down as the primary opponent of it, and he was saying that this is going to change our country. 0.98

00:13:43.000 He's even worried that they're like, oh, we're only going to take the best and brightest from the rest of the world.

00:13:47.000 Then he's like, wait a minute, if we're taking the best and brightest from the rest of the world, isn't that going to make all these countries like third world hell holes and then contribute to more immigration as we're taking all their smart people?

00:13:56.000 These concerns are like, no, no, don't worry about that. 0.90

00:13:58.000 But they were able to lay these concerns by having, or they at least in theory were supposed to have strict restrictions on Latin American immigration, where under the 1924 Immigration Act, Latin America wasn't covered by it because a lot of the people in the Southwest is like, we need this cheap labor.

00:14:15.000 A cheap labor has been a major concern for immigration and for other things in American life since the founding.

00:14:21.000 But they're like, okay, we won't cover it.

00:14:24.000 But they'd still have things like what Eisenhower did, which I don't even think we can say the operation's name on that live stream, but they were able to deport them.

00:14:32.000 So they had this understanding well, if there's too many, we can deport them.

00:14:36.000 And so they were worried that they wouldn't have these restrictions.

00:14:39.000 So then they got Sam Irvin to sign on to the bill and others by saying, we're going to keep a quota system on our hemisphere.

00:14:47.000 And this is primarily the people are primarily going to benefit our Europeans and some Asians.

00:14:52.000 But it turned out differently because we have no border security, there's no wall there. 0.94

00:14:57.000 And now we have this whole illegal immigration problem that was also caused by 65. 0.93

00:15:02.000 Because there's still this demand for cheap labor and there's nothing stopping them from coming here and there's no enforcement mechanisms. 1.00

00:15:09.000 And they came up through here. 0.75

00:15:10.000 And then we're supposed to solve that through the 86 immigration bill, which now goes down to this infamous amnesty bill.

00:15:18.000 It's like, how dare they have this liberal bill?

00:15:20.000 But the thing is, that was primarily pushed by immigration restrictionists as an immigration control bill.

00:15:26.000 And immigration control is in the title of the bill.

00:15:29.000 But then there was no immigration control.

00:15:30.000 They just amnesty over 3 million people, which they only thought they'd have a million.

00:15:34.000 And then that only further encouraged the illegal immigration problem. 0.77

00:15:37.000 So, another cost of the 65 Immigration Act is that it created the illegal immigration problem, even though it was supposed to keep out these immigrants that they were, or at least keep them under strict quotas.

00:15:51.000 But all immigration acts, besides the Immigration Act of 1924, had all these unintended effects that its opponents didn't think it would even be this bad.

00:16:01.000 And its supporters didn't realize it would have these effects.

00:16:03.000 Is that because of the advancements in?

00:16:05.000 Technology in the 20th century, like telephone, radio, and then television, and of course, internet.

00:16:10.000 Is that why?

00:16:12.000 Well, there's a lot of things, right?

00:16:13.000 Like, so in the 20th century, in the early 20th century, one third of European immigrants remigrated back to where they were from.

00:16:20.000 And that's because you basically have no welfare state.

00:16:23.000 So, like, you either like it or lump it here in America.

00:16:26.000 And the costs of going back and forth are a lot.

00:16:30.000 So, you maybe make that choice once, and then you kind of like, if I'm not liking it, I go back.

00:16:35.000 Now, between all the technologies and being able to move back and forth really quickly, The world is just much smaller, right?

00:16:41.000 I mean, pick your dumb global village metaphor, but it's much easier to go back and forth. 0.84

00:16:47.000 And in fact, a huge amount of our immigration problem today with illegals is visa overstays. 0.93

00:16:53.000 And in fact, the Trump administration has done a good job here, not got enough credit to me in cracking down on countries where you have chronic visa overstayers en masse.

00:17:02.000 So I think that's been really good.

00:17:03.000 Well, what's interesting, I mean, Andy Ogles put in his post here, he said, Look, I want to make America look like America again. 0.75

00:17:09.000 Now, I'll steel man the Creedal Nation people here, as they do make this argument where they point back to the founders and they say, Well, You know, you would see these suggestions that, you know, these rights extend to all people, regardless of if they're, you know, Jewish or Muslim or Hindu.

00:17:25.000 You would specifically see like rhetoric in regards to freedom of religion and these sorts of things.

00:17:29.000 And so a lot of these creedal, you know, these creedal nation arguments would sort of predicate on like at the founding, they didn't explicitly say this country is for English descended people only or that sort of thing.

00:17:39.000 They almost, this is the argument from them, is that they kind of left the door open for the American nation to evolve and change and these sorts of things.

00:17:45.000 And so a lot of people are saying, well, why does it matter what the source of the migration is?

00:17:49.000 They can just, Once they step foot in JFK, they can become Americans.

00:17:53.000 It's purely a creedal nation.

00:17:55.000 I mean, that's the common argument you would typically hear from creedal nation advocates.

00:17:58.000 Yeah. 0.61

00:17:59.000 Well, I mean, at a trivial level, one of the reasons, there are many, many reasons it's wrong, but if you go back to the 1790 Immigration Act, it specifically says free white persons of character, right? 0.62

00:18:07.000 Now, that's not to say, I mean, I'm a raging moderate on these questions, right?

00:18:11.000 Like, I think that you can have good Americans come from anywhere and become really valuable contributing members of our society.

00:18:19.000 Pace and scale.

00:18:20.000 Sure.

00:18:21.000 And the pace and scale has been out of control so that it's not, you know, like people are developing ethnic enclaves and you get problems, right?

00:18:31.000 Like people are now complaining a lot about Indian immigration.

00:18:34.000 I have a lot of good friends who are Indian immigrants, but when I look at like what the commonality they often have is like they grew up in Eastern Oregon or they grew up in rural Pennsylvania.

00:18:41.000 So they weren't like part of an ethnic enclave.

00:18:43.000 They grew up in this really American environment and they were smart, capable guys and they assimilated to the local culture.

00:18:49.000 And so you can do that if.

00:18:50.000 The numbers are manageable.

00:18:52.000 If you just open the floodgates to very, very different people at a mass level, that's when you begin to have problems.

00:18:57.000 But it also totally transforms the politics of the country.

00:19:00.000 I mean, in the 80s, Reagan was able to achieve these incredible landslide victories where they had one state, was it where Mondale won in 84.

00:19:09.000 And today, yeah, in Minnesota, right?

00:19:11.000 But today, that could never happen because the demographics of America have changed so much in such a short period of time. 0.55

00:19:17.000 And the same thing happening in Britain, where we're seeing this sort of sectarian politics where you have a buildup of immigrants in certain cities and communities. 0.50

00:19:25.000 And now they're supporting their own parties that support their own ethnic and religious interests.

00:19:30.000 And, you know, what the Democrats did with Lyndon Johnson and the Hart Seller Act obviously had an incredible impact for their party because, you know, most of these immigrants are supporting the Democrats. 0.93

00:19:39.000 Yeah, we've had this problem for a while. 0.97

00:19:41.000 And some people, liberals, will point that out.

00:19:43.000 It's like, well, we have the Irish and Polish here and they had their ethnic conclaves.

00:19:47.000 But that's not an argument for it because that created many problems. 1.00

00:19:50.000 And we're now having more immigrants. 1.00

00:19:52.000 And even at that time, it's not a good thing if. 1.00

00:19:55.000 You know, you're living in a Polish enclave and you're like, we only care about Polish interests and we're voting for this guy just because he's Polish or whatever. 0.99

00:20:01.000 And that's like, that's not a model that we should continue to emulate.

00:20:05.000 And there were people critical of this at the time, like Theodore Roosevelt.

00:20:08.000 He's like, we want people who want to be 100% American. 0.97

00:20:10.000 They're not Irish American. 0.83

00:20:12.000 They're not Italian American.

00:20:13.000 They're 100% American.

00:20:14.000 That's their thing.

00:20:15.000 And now we're like, oh, we can have that now. 0.91

00:20:17.000 But thanks to the 1924 Immigration Act and also the 100% Americanism effort that we saw in World War I. 0.70

00:20:25.000 They were able to crack down on these hyphenated Americanisms, which they were not even really loyal to the country. 0.65

00:20:32.000 They're basically visitors, but then we forced them to say, you're no longer a visitor, you're going to be turned into American. 0.85

00:20:37.000 But now we think that that's a model to make. 0.68

00:20:39.000 But even if you go back to the early 20th century, I think the insane city politics that were animated by these ethnic enclaves and ethnic interests and conflicting where they can't come together as Americans, that's not something we want to bring back everywhere.

00:20:53.000 And now we see this everywhere. 0.64

00:20:54.000 It's not just limited to, at that time, in New York City, Boston, Chicago.

00:20:59.000 You'll see this in suburban Texas, where they would have never experienced that in years past.

00:21:04.000 Because shouldn't the takeaway have been when the Irish, the Italian migrants eventually assimilated into the United States? 0.80

00:21:09.000 Shouldn't the takeaway have been like, We got lucky that ended up working out. 0.97

00:21:13.000 No, they just said, let's get more exotic.

00:21:15.000 Right.

00:21:15.000 Well, and it took many generations.

00:21:17.000 I mean, there's actually good academic studies showing that with like Italians, if you use various objective criteria, that it took them four generations before they sort of start looking like the rest of America in terms of everything from educational outcomes to, you know, whatever else. 0.95

00:21:31.000 So, right. 0.93

00:21:32.000 In two wars and a depression.

00:21:33.000 So, I mean, lots, lots of things like that.

00:21:33.000 Yeah.

00:21:36.000 And just to give the audience a sense of the scale.

00:21:39.000 So, in 1960, which is the last census we have before Hartzeller, We are 4.7% immigrant, and the average age is, I'm making this up, which is roughly correct, 62 or something like that.

00:21:50.000 Today it's about 16%, and that's not even probably counting a lot of the illegals we're missing.

00:21:55.000 And the average age of an immigrant is like 28, right?

00:21:58.000 So it's a dramatic transformation. 1.00

00:22:00.000 Oh, young people are, they get riled up real easy.

00:22:03.000 They want to have kids, which means they want women, young men particularly, which means they'll take women if they don't have them.

00:22:09.000 They're very aggressive, high testosterone.

00:22:11.000 So young men that don't understand the culture or the language can be very dangerous for a society.

00:22:17.000 Especially if the economy starts to crack. 1.00

00:22:19.000 Yeah.

00:22:19.000 Well, I think with that, we saw that with all the Venezuelan illegal migrants coming through thanks to Biden.

00:22:24.000 Well, I think this is where we should pivot to this wonderful documentary that was put out recently by GB News, conducted by the very great Stephen Edgerton.

00:22:31.000 I want to play this short clip from the documentary because this is really shocking.

00:22:34.000 I think this specifically honed in on the H 1B visa system, which has increasingly come under criticism from, I mean, large swaths of the political system.

00:22:43.000 Take a look at this clip.

00:22:44.000 They had objectives to outsource percent of work to the Philippines.

00:22:49.000 And to Ireland.

00:22:50.000 Those were the two main spots. 0.56

00:22:52.000 And I would have to train some of the people in the Philippines who were actually going to take my work.

00:22:57.000 It felt dehumanizing and it felt humiliating in a way to think that Google cared so little about your investment as a worker on their product that they would just throw it to any group that they thought might be able to do it. 0.76

00:23:16.000 But as I said, they didn't really, some of the Filipino people, they just didn't have that technical background.

00:23:22.000 And then to even Force you to train your replacement people was sometimes kind of felt mean, you know, and harsh. 0.96

00:23:33.000 Stephen, could you break down specifically, I mean, because you conducted a lot of these interviews, could you break down specifically what was happening in this sector in regards to them quite literally having to train the replacement?

00:23:41.000 Yeah, so this is something I found from lots and lots of people across the Bay Area.

00:23:45.000 So we were filming this in Silicon Valley, where two thirds of tech workers are foreign born.

00:23:51.000 There are more tech workers in Silicon Valley born in India.

00:23:55.000 Than born in California.

00:23:57.000 So, this is an incredible transformation of the US tech sector.

00:24:00.000 There's about 400,000 tech jobs in Silicon Valley.

00:24:03.000 And this has happened in the last sort of 30 years since the H 1B visa was introduced in 1990.

00:24:09.000 And this visa was meant to be a temporary work visa for highly skilled immigrants to sort of fill labor shortages.

00:24:15.000 But what actually has happened is these visas have been converted into green cards. 0.81

00:24:20.000 These people are staying here, becoming citizens, and they're replacing American workers because they'll do the job. 0.93

00:24:27.000 For a lot cheaper than Americans will. 0.98

00:24:29.000 And there's been some, there's a Harvard economist who did a study on this.

00:24:33.000 H1B workers work for 16% less than Americans.

00:24:37.000 Companies can save $100,000 over six years for each H1B that they hire. 0.72

00:24:43.000 So basically, you have these Indians, and it is 70% of these H1B visas go to Indians, which is just an extraordinary figure.

00:24:51.000 And last year, I think it was like 406,000 H1B visa approvals from UCAS. 0.83

00:24:57.000 You get these Indians come in and they replace these Americans, particularly older Americans. 1.00

00:25:02.000 These are the people that I interviewed. 1.00

00:25:03.000 We had three examples.

00:25:05.000 All of which had either been replaced by Indians or their jobs had been offshored to India.

00:25:11.000 And it's been an utterly devastating impact on US tech workers in the Bay Area, but also across the entire country, who are really struggling to find jobs.

00:25:21.000 And they're suddenly up against massive foreign competition who will do the jobs for a lot cheaper, as I said.

00:25:27.000 And this woman here, who's in the next clip, she's been looking for a job for two years. 0.84

00:25:32.000 She had an Indian CEO hire her an Indian assistant.

00:25:36.000 And she was then told to train him, and then he replaced her.

00:25:40.000 And she had to sell her home.

00:25:43.000 She was utterly devastated.

00:25:45.000 She's kind of crying in the clip.

00:25:47.000 It's a really sad tale.

00:25:48.000 And it's not just her, it's hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans who are being displaced and replaced because of the H 1B visa in these tech sectors and other industries.

00:25:59.000 Well, because you've seen this from, I mean, Ted Cruz comes to mind as an example of the consensus in the GOP for the last however long has been, well, Illegal immigration, they like chess beat over legal immigration.

00:26:09.000 Illegal immigration is this big problem. 0.58

00:26:11.000 We're going to clear house with legal immigration. 1.00

00:26:13.000 It's ripping us off, et cetera. 1.00

00:26:14.000 It's like true, but I think for large chunks of the United States, including in the tech sector, obviously, here that Stephen covered, is legal immigration seems to be tampering with people's lifestyle and standard of living far more than illegal immigration. 0.88

00:26:27.000 I mean, because if you're working for Google, I mean, illegal immigration is not really going to cut into your bottom line as much as, again, a guy that's going to come in and work for half the budget.

00:26:36.000 I mean, I lived 14 years in the heart of Silicon Valley, and I write about this in the unprotected class. 0.76

00:26:42.000 Where one of the interesting phenomena that you have as a result of this is normally when we think about white flight, we associate that with a bunch of urban ills and whites kind of leaving because it became too criminal, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99

00:26:54.000 And that's true. 0.86

00:26:56.000 But in Silicon Valley, you have a very unique sort of situation where you have very significant white flight because of the level of cultural displacement.

00:27:05.000 And so, in the huge population growth you saw in my county, where I live, Santa Clara County, since 1970, it wasn't just a question of, wow, we had a ton of immigrants. 0.57

00:27:16.000 Come in and it sort of swamped the domestic population, but the domestic population stayed.

00:27:22.000 No, you can actually show there are fewer white Americans, for example, in Santa Clara County, California now than there were 60 years ago, even though the population of that county has tripled or quadrupled in the meantime.

00:27:37.000 So you actually had people who just felt culturally alienated or financially potentially alienated enough because they couldn't get a job anymore.

00:27:44.000 They had to pick up and leave.

00:27:45.000 So, what sort of American dream?

00:27:48.000 Is that what sort of consideration is that for the American worker?

00:27:50.000 This sounds like a precursor to the automization of workforces.

00:27:54.000 Like, they're first going to the cheap offshore labor, then they're going to go to AI, and these people are going to lose their jobs.

00:27:59.000 And this is the concern is that they're going to lose their jobs anyway.

00:28:01.000 And like screaming about no, stop, no more foreign labor is like saying no, no automobiles, we need our horse and buggies.

00:28:07.000 I'm like, sorry, bro.

00:28:09.000 But so, but it's different because it's literally people moving here and taking position over another person.

00:28:18.000 That's The automization is more like just empty buildings.

00:28:21.000 But I mean, do you think that we can legalize, that we can use law to stop this, what seems like an inevitable flow towards the automization of workforces?

00:28:31.000 I mean, well, because that's the whole argument is like, look, if we want to cut immigration, I mean, we do know all across the West, this has been the argument throughout Europe that, okay, the population is now declining, right?

00:28:39.000 They're not having enough children.

00:28:41.000 And so the argument has been from a lot of immigration proponents is we can backfill the loss in population with foreign labor. 0.97

00:28:47.000 That is a way that we can keep our head above water, so to speak.

00:28:50.000 And it's actually kind of the other way around is like, if we want to increase immigration restriction, we will need to find ways to fill in labor.

00:28:56.000 Now, in this example, this is just purely replacement labor.

00:28:58.000 So this argument wouldn't necessarily.

00:29:00.000 Be relevant here.

00:29:01.000 But a lot of people have pointed out that, look, if you do want to lower immigration levels, we will have to implement more and more automation technology because, again, if you're losing people, you got to get a job done somehow.

00:29:12.000 I mean, this is kind of the whole argument people say with manufacturing of vehicles, for example, is there's just not enough people in the United States to work on assembly lines, just like one guy's job is to rivet all day.

00:29:23.000 So you can use automation technology to, again, sort of get the boot off the neck of a lot of these manufacturers and allow them to get the job done.

00:29:31.000 Well, that makes it insane that big tech, which is producing the next.

00:29:35.000 Revolution automation is also the most eager for H 1B visas because they're saying, Oh, this is going to replace all this labor, but we still need these H 1B visas.

00:29:43.000 It's like you're claiming that these jobs are going to be replaced in like a year or two.

00:29:47.000 You're still demanding this cheap labor.

00:29:48.000 So it's if you're going to see the benefit from automation, then they should be up for eliminating the H 1B visa because we don't need them anymore. 1.00

00:29:56.000 If all these jobs are being taken by AI, then why do we need the cheap Indian laborers anymore? 1.00

00:30:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:03.000 And I think one really interesting thing is there's actually a lot of good research that shows that when you have more. 0.99

00:30:11.000 Immigration, it actually depresses native fertility. 0.97

00:30:13.000 So you actually exacerbate the problems that you had.

00:30:17.000 I mean, my kind of general takeaway on having studied immigration policy for a long time and argued with various folks is like the other side is just they're bad faith arguers. 0.72

00:30:26.000 There's two reasons they want it it is either because they're businesses that want cheap labor or because they are ethnic lobbies who want more co ethnics. 0.99

00:30:33.000 And any actual discussion of national interest, it's like at a certain point you argue with them for the hundredth time and they give you the same stupid. 0.92

00:30:40.000 Talking point that you know is wrong, I stop engaging with them. 0.96

00:30:43.000 I'm hoping to engage with your audience because they should know better and be armed with the facts.

00:30:48.000 But these are not good faith discussions that we're having with these people.

00:30:51.000 And beyond, let's just say these people were economic miracles.

00:30:55.000 Let's say that they totally revamped our economy, et cetera, et cetera.

00:30:58.000 Is the composition of the country still not up for debate?

00:31:00.000 Let's just remove any economic argument, any demographic, et cetera, et cetera, as far as increasing the population or whatever.

00:31:06.000 Is it still not up for contention that we would just, like Andy Ogle said, want our communities to remain broadly American?

00:31:12.000 This point that Jeremy makes about tribalism and ethnic tribalism is really important.

00:31:17.000 And this is something I found in my research for the film.

00:31:20.000 That guy we just watched, Stephen Vivian, who was an ex contractor at Google, he told me that he saw how the Indian networks at Google operate.

00:31:29.000 And he saw Indians give confidential interview questions to other Indians, to their friends, in order to give them an advantage to get jobs. 0.86

00:31:37.000 And this was something that came up so much where you have Indians come into these networks.

00:31:43.000 Networks and these companies, and then they hire their friends, their cousins, their people from back in their hometown or home village in India, even.

00:31:51.000 I looked at some of the CEOs of these major American tech companies that are now run by Indians like IBM, Google, YouTube, FedEx.

00:31:59.000 All of these companies have seen a huge increase in the usage of H 1B visas since these Indians came in and became the CEOs of these major companies. 0.82

00:32:08.000 So there's a lot of ethnic tribalism and ethnic loyalties, and that creates a huge disadvantage for American workers who are completely shut out of the system. 0.74

00:32:16.000 Well, and we're going to get railroaded because, I mean, Americans, like, we have a taboo around nepotism where, like, you always see these stories.

00:32:22.000 I think Sting was the latest one where he's like, I'm not giving my children a dollar when I die.

00:32:25.000 Like, I'm going to spend it all or give it to some NGO that'll just blow it all.

00:32:29.000 Like, there's like in American culture, yeah, any sort of nepotism, any sort of favorite, like, you know, playing favorites or anything is like the biggest taboo ever because I'm going to give the confidential question to a poor, struggling child, not my own.

00:32:42.000 That would be our way of doing it.

00:32:43.000 Yeah.

00:32:44.000 And I mean, I've lived in India, right?

00:32:45.000 And so not only is what you're saying believable in terms of the professional culture of India, if you told me the opposite, it would not be believable.

00:32:51.000 It's just, I mean, there are many lovely and interesting things about Indian culture, but there is a huge amount.

00:32:56.000 Of public corruption and nepotism just built in. 0.97

00:32:59.000 And, you know, it's not just, of course, Indian, it's like from my subcast in this part of India, right?

00:33:05.000 Like, and there's further division going on in that way that is often not transparent to, you know, the average American, but it's still happening.

00:33:13.000 Because in the US, like, if you meet someone and they got a job via, like, their dad or uncle, it's, like, embarrassing, it's humiliating.

00:33:19.000 Like, you have to, like, extract that information out of them.

00:33:21.000 And it's, like, 20 minutes into the conversation, you finally realize, like, oh, okay, well, this guy, you know, his uncle worked already.

00:33:26.000 But again, that's just like a very American culture.

00:33:29.000 We don't like handouts.

00:33:30.000 I know John Doyle was telling this story about how he had like a neighbor and, you know, someone in his neighborhood and their house burnt down.

00:33:35.000 And everyone was like, we want to give you money.

00:33:37.000 Like, we want to get you back on your feet.

00:33:38.000 And he like refused all of it because like I think it's a very American cultural tendency to just like not want handouts or anything like that. 1.00

00:33:44.000 Well, we hate the Nepo babies too. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Even when it makes sense, it's like, you know, your parents were famous actors and you're an actor. 1.00

00:33:51.000 Well, that's just genetics and how you're brought up.

00:33:54.000 That's likely to be your profession.

00:33:55.000 But we really hate that.

00:33:57.000 No, it doesn't matter if your parents are good singers.

00:33:59.000 You shouldn't be a singer.

00:34:00.000 You should be out at Chipotle being a manager or something. 1.00

00:34:03.000 We really don't like the Nepo babies and all the things. 1.00

00:34:07.000 Nepotism really rubs us the wrong way. 0.97

00:34:10.000 And when we see other groups doing this, not just beyond their family, but for their entire ethnic group, we find it very deeply foreign and strange to do that.

00:34:19.000 Was LeBron James' son, when he was coming through the youth ranks, he refused to use his dad's number because he didn't want to be seen as, I don't know, somehow getting a handout in a fairly objective system, which is athletics.

00:34:29.000 Like if you're good, you're good.

00:34:30.000 If you're bad, you're bad. 0.75

00:34:31.000 But it's like deeply ingrained in the American psyche to be like paranoid of this Hollywood trope of like the silver spoon, like, you know, dorky or like snooty rich kid.

00:34:40.000 That's like, it's just a phenotype developed by Hollywood that's typically not reflected in real life.

00:34:45.000 Like, typically, when you meet the children of these sort of very successful people, they're typically fairly pleasant.

00:34:50.000 But the Hollywood depiction is that they're this douchey snob with like sunglasses.

00:34:54.000 And I think every specifically baby boomer is so paranoid of like that trope that they will just pull the ladder up on anyone that's younger than them that would have any commonality with them whatsoever.

00:35:04.000 This is, I think that I'm feeling two concentric arguments.

00:35:08.000 There's the automization, the cheapening of labor by offshoring it or by automating it. 0.53

00:35:16.000 And then there's the importation of foreign cultures. 0.99

00:35:19.000 And they're both problems. 0.94

00:35:20.000 And then there's the intersection where they're intentionally importing their own culture.

00:35:25.000 And it is cheap. 0.84

00:35:26.000 So you're getting both at once. 1.00

00:35:30.000 So I think that if you focus on, like, I don't want Indians here. 1.00

00:35:34.000 Uh, because they're Indian and they're disrupting the culture, then you get hit slammed as a racist. 1.00

00:35:38.000 Um, the other argument's much easier to make. 1.00

00:35:41.000 Like, I don't want to automate away your jobs, even though kind of I do, because that's the nature of the flow of reality.

00:35:46.000 Sorry, well, and this is why I think what ogles that specific line you want America to remain American or look American.

00:35:53.000 I think that's a very valid concern for people to have.

00:35:55.000 And you're again, you're dismissed with all these you know, slanders and you're like, oh, you're racist or whatever.

00:35:59.000 But it's like, yeah, again, like I said, even if these people are like economic miracles or whatever, like you're running a nation and it is a distinct nation, maybe to push back on the you know, the creedal nation types.

00:36:09.000 That's perfectly valid to just say, Yeah, I would like my children to grow up in a community that looked like it did when I grew up.

00:36:14.000 And like that fabric of that community culture is very, that is a very relevant, you know, tie that people have.

00:36:19.000 It's a quality of life measure.

00:36:20.000 People don't want to be in a place where they feel like a stranger, everyone's speaking another language.

00:36:25.000 They don't fit in.

00:36:26.000 They want to be part of something that they recognize and that they grew up with.

00:36:30.000 Unless, well, maybe their upbringing was really bad.

00:36:33.000 But for the most part, you want to be something with a familiar, associated with a high quality of life. 0.92

00:36:38.000 And if immigration lowers the quality of life for people, then that makes a relevant argument. 0.76

00:36:42.000 I was going to say, I think we buried the lead a little bit on the Andy Ogles and Ron DeSantis thing, because I think the real significance of DeSantis saying that is Ogles bless his heart, as they say in the South.

00:36:55.000 I mean, he's a real firebrand on these issues, but he's sort of on the bleeding edge of what would be acceptable for a Republican to say.

00:37:04.000 And so, if it were just Ogles out there, you'd be like, I'm glad he's pushing the envelope, but probably nothing is going to really come of it.

00:37:10.000 But for Ron DeSantis, who is the most successful GOP governor who actually has gotten a ton of stuff done, to be saying, yes, this should be a good mainstream GOP position, that's a huge shift in the narrative.

00:37:25.000 Well, it indicates how, like, How vastly Trump has changed the atmosphere in the GOP, whether directly because of him or because of just the general atmosphere he's created.

00:37:32.000 Because again, Ron DeSantis, you know, for what it's, he's a guy that's aspirational.

00:37:35.000 He's viewed as a GOP leader.

00:37:37.000 He's ascendant in many ways.

00:37:39.000 And so, what's like, what we're seeing there, to your point, is like, this is the new baseline for a GOP leader is like, no, you need to be right on this issue. 0.92

00:37:46.000 Do you think it's worse to import a bunch of Indian foreigners to work in a data center in like Silicon Valley or to just have it all AI, just a big. 0.95

00:37:46.000 You need to be correct on this. 0.95

00:37:58.000 Data center that's just no one's there.

00:38:01.000 What's the first one?

00:38:02.000 The first one. 1.00

00:38:02.000 It's worse to have foreign cultures. 1.00

00:38:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:04.000 I think that's what it is. 1.00

00:38:05.000 Yeah, I would say absolutely.

00:38:06.000 I think if it's automation, you know, and some of the, as we were making the point earlier, that some of these jobs, it's harder to find Americans to do these jobs.

00:38:14.000 But when you have AI and automation, it's also part of the technological advancement we've had.

00:38:18.000 We've had these problems since the 19th century where it's like, well, if we're going to develop these factories, that's going to put a lot of other people out of work.

00:38:25.000 So we're instead having technological advancements.

00:38:29.000 Advancement that is requiring less labor, and we're moving along things.

00:38:33.000 But if you're bringing in a new group of people that you're also then going to remove their employment due to advancement of technologies and automation, then that creates other problems because then those people are going to have to go on welfare and they're also not going to leave.

00:38:48.000 So I would say definitely the first, more than the latter.

00:38:51.000 I think automation in itself, and I think that's why big tech should embrace the idea of eliminating the H 1B visa because if they're promising that AI is going to. 0.97

00:39:01.000 Eliminate all this labor and allow us to, I guess, play more video games or whatever, then they should advocate for this policy that we no longer need H 1Bs. 0.96

00:39:11.000 But they're still saying that we're going to take away your job through automation. 1.00

00:39:16.000 Also, we're taking away your job through H 1B visas.

00:39:19.000 That creates a very negative impression among the American people.

00:39:21.000 It seems like a short term economic grab for them.

00:39:24.000 Like they're like, yeah, two years, we're going to use you and then discard you.

00:39:28.000 And if there's a revolution, we're offshore anyway.

00:39:30.000 I live on an island with a bunker.

00:39:32.000 I don't care.

00:39:32.000 Yeah, I just think, you know, I don't think I understand the sensitivities.

00:39:36.000 I don't even think you need to make it about like whether you love or dislike or somewhere in between on about how you feel about Indian culture. 0.73

00:39:43.000 The more fundamental thing is diversity is not our strength, period. 1.00

00:39:47.000 And it doesn't have anything to do with the diverse people could be wonderful people, they could be terrible people. 1.00

00:39:47.000 Right. 1.00

00:39:52.000 Obviously, if they're wonderful people in the abstract, then, you know, it's easier, but it's still not good.

00:39:57.000 A greater deal of unity, and Pete Hegseth has actually literally said these words in talking about.

00:40:03.000 The army and the way that they feel.

00:40:06.000 Now, you don't need to go such full unity that you're fascist, but a greater degree of cultural unity is a strength.

00:40:13.000 And anything that kind of adds to being more diverse just means you have less in common and you're going to get along less.

00:40:20.000 Diversity through cohesion is the best because that's like it shows in genetics. 0.98

00:40:25.000 You want different forms of genetics to override, you know, it discards the worst from both and utilizes the best from both.

00:40:32.000 But if you have two different diverse things that aren't copulating, they go to war.

00:40:38.000 So you have to force integration with diversity. 0.96

00:40:41.000 Otherwise, it's not good. 0.99

00:40:44.000 I don't know how you can, like, force it.

00:40:46.000 You know, you can't force people to fall in love, but I don't know how you can't whip them into being American.

00:40:53.000 You know, I don't.

00:40:54.000 You got to like entice them with TV and like cool things.

00:40:57.000 And that's true.

00:40:58.000 Well, I think with that, we got to get to this next story.

00:41:00.000 We got to keep this show on the road here.

00:41:02.000 From the Daily Mail, a man denies murdering student 18 who was stabbed to death on the way home from a night out.

00:41:09.000 A man has denied murdering a quote, adored 18 year old student who was stabbed to death on his way home from a night out with his new football teammates, obviously soccer for the American audience.

00:41:18.000 Vikram Singh Digwa, 23, is accused of murdering Southampton University student Henry Nowak on an And of possession of a knife in public.

00:41:27.000 Mr. Digwa's mother, Kiran Karur, 52, is accused of assisting an offender by removing a knife from the scene, though she also denies this charge.

00:41:36.000 Henry from Chafford Hundred, Essex, a first year accountancy and finance student, died from wounds sustained to his chest and leg during an altercation on Belmont Road, Southampton, on December 4th, 2025.

00:41:48.000 This teenager, obviously, we've seen quite a bit of a few locals discuss the type of character he was.

00:41:52.000 They said the teenager, said to quote, be adored by everyone, had been out celebrating the end of his term with friends and teammates.

00:41:59.000 He was obviously very beloved by his community.

00:42:01.000 This was quite interesting here.

00:42:02.000 This was a commentary.

00:42:03.000 Pagliacci the Hated has put this up.

00:42:05.000 This was a snippet from the article here.

00:42:08.000 Police were called to the scene, but Mr. Nowak, after Digwa claimed he had been racially abused, so they arrested the victim because, again, Digwa claimed that he had racially abused him.

00:42:18.000 This is really salient the copy that she put on here.

00:42:21.000 Quote, police arrest man who was bleeding to death because the stabber claimed he was racist.

00:42:25.000 It's literally impossible to satirize the UK anymore.

00:42:27.000 Even the most extreme, ham fisted memes are just real things that actually happen.

00:42:31.000 Now, seeing as we have a Brit here, Stephen Eddington, maybe you can break down the story, what's specifically going on here.

00:42:35.000 Yeah, I mean, I actually grew up very close to where this happened.

00:42:39.000 It's one of the most scandalous stories I've seen in a very long time coming out of Britain.

00:42:43.000 And that's saying something, because we see something like this happen pretty much every week.

00:42:47.000 I think the key point here, and let's be clear about what happened again, we're talking about allegedly because this is still going on in trial, so we have to be careful with that of the British legal system.

00:42:57.000 But you had this young 18 year old kid get stabbed.

00:43:02.000 In the legs and in the lungs.

00:43:05.000 And let's just read the quote there.

00:43:06.000 Put simply, Henry drowned in his own blood with his lung having been cut by the knife going eight centimeters into him.

00:43:16.000 The police essentially let him drown in his own blood after they arrested him because the attacker, alleged attacker, said that he had been racially abused.

00:43:28.000 So the police, they did, I think, they did try and give him some medicine and try and help revive him.

00:43:34.000 It was too late.

00:43:35.000 So the guy is there laying out, drowning in his own blood, whilst he's been arrested because the guy said he'd been racist against him.

00:43:44.000 I mean, what does that say about the police today?

00:43:46.000 This is the anti racist ideology at its worst.

00:43:52.000 This is literally someone dying because the police are afraid of not taking so called racist allegations seriously enough.

00:44:00.000 This has been going on in the Met police and the police all across Britain for decades.

00:44:04.000 Going back to the case of Stephen Lawrence, who was murdered in the 1990s, our sort of original George Floyd.

00:44:10.000 And later, we've had other incidents which also caused riots, the murder of Mark Duggan and others.

00:44:15.000 And the police have become so anti racist in their ideology that they would happily, apparently, let an 18 year old boy drown on his own blood than save his life.

00:44:29.000 And they believe the attacker or the alleged attacker who accused him of being racist. 0.96

00:44:32.000 It's disgusting.

00:44:33.000 Well, what's going on here?

00:44:34.000 Because, look, the police in the United States have this reputation for typically being more conservative bent.

00:44:39.000 This is a common understanding of how the American police system operates.

00:44:44.000 Insofar as police unions will typically endorse Republicans, this is quite common.

00:44:50.000 I believe there's some statistics that police unions actually typically donate to Republicans over Democrats.

00:44:55.000 It's clearly not the case in the UK because this is very unthinkable.

00:44:58.000 We have this strain, this strain of, like, I guess you would say wokeness, for lack of a better word, that does run through the United States.

00:45:04.000 But I don't think you would ever see a story like this, this dramatic, play out in the US.

00:45:08.000 I mean, what's going on with the police over there?

00:45:10.000 The police have these targets, these diversity targets.

00:45:13.000 That's number one.

00:45:14.000 So the police in the UK are incredibly diverse, very heavily on women and immigrants.

00:45:19.000 This is embedded in police culture.

00:45:21.000 They have DEI training constantly.

00:45:23.000 And again, they're so concerned about the optics.

00:45:26.000 Like I said, because of these cases, Stephen Lawrence, Mark Duggan, and others, which are so called racist attacks from police officers against black people, they're so concerned that there could be rioting, like you saw with BLM and George Floyd.

00:45:38.000 And that stuff also hit Britain as well.

00:45:40.000 So I think this is a police force that are terrified of being seen as racist.

00:45:45.000 That's what's happening.

00:45:46.000 So that's why they allow these things to happen, because it's all about the optics for them. 0.63

00:45:50.000 They don't want any more race riots.

00:45:52.000 And it's embedded in police culture and ideology.

00:45:55.000 Well, this is why I said at the top of the show, this does have relevance to the United States insofar as I doubt anything like this dramatic could happen here, at least not anytime soon. 0.81

00:46:01.000 But I believe that this personal, this specific strain of racial identity, of, I guess, wokeness, again, they use the term, it's almost a bit cliche at this point, but it's true, did seem like an American export in a lot of ways.

00:46:14.000 This is something that was very common in the United States, at least this sort of thinking that we're seeing among these Met police officers.

00:46:20.000 It's just obviously in the UK because of specific conditions, it really ran.

00:46:23.000 Well, the Met police took the knee. 0.71

00:46:25.000 During the BLM protests in 2020 outside of Parliament.

00:46:29.000 Whilst the protesterslash rioters were attacking them, throwing stuff at them, they literally went down on one knee.

00:46:36.000 This is a case of what they call two tier justice in Britain, where the police don't care about the left wing agitators.

00:46:42.000 They don't treat them the same way as someone who's, for example, being accused of racism online.

00:46:47.000 Let's say you do a so called racist tweet, they'll come and knock on your door and put you away to prison, like in the case of Lucy Connolly, who was sentenced to prison for two years for one of her tweets.

00:46:58.000 Which allegedly was inciting racial hatred.

00:47:01.000 Again, this is how they police so called racists, and then this is how they treat the victims of people who have been stabbed. 0.95

00:47:10.000 It's disgusting.

00:47:12.000 Yeah, and I think one other very important factual piece here, and not that it would really be in any way excused under any circumstances, but not mentioned here, but I read elsewhere that allegedly the victim's cell phone was found on the stabber, which would suggest that, in fact, again, it wouldn't be justified in any way, even if.

00:47:32.000 He had yelled some offensive racial thing, but it would suggest that in fact this story is entirely made up by the assailant and for which there was no evidence.

00:47:42.000 And then the default of the British police was to believe it.

00:47:45.000 Well, there's a video of the victim, Henry, takes a video of what's happening at the time, and there's some kind of confrontation where Henry says, Are you a bad man? and the attacker or the alleged attacker says, Yes, I'm a bad man.

00:47:58.000 And then it appears that his phone is taken off him by the attacker, and then the video stops.

00:48:03.000 So that was what was quoted in court.

00:48:04.000 So it does appear that the The alleged attacker stole his phone.

00:48:08.000 And they said, again, the alleged attacker said that Henry was drunk.

00:48:13.000 He had less blood alcohol in him.

00:48:14.000 He was legally able to drive.

00:48:17.000 He'd had a couple of pints after going on a night out, after celebrating this thing.

00:48:21.000 And there are so many young men who have suffered as a result of our migration policies.

00:48:26.000 And this is just the latest victim of this.

00:48:29.000 Obviously, the police didn't step in here.

00:48:32.000 But the blame also has to go on our politicians who open the borders to millions of people from around the world.

00:48:37.000 There was another case of a guy called Thomas Roberts, a young 21 year old Royal Marine, who was stabbed in the heart by an illegal migrant a few years ago.

00:48:44.000 That illegal migrant had smuggled himself into Britain in 2018 on the back of a lorry.

00:48:49.000 And he claimed that he was 14.

00:48:52.000 He was actually 19.

00:48:54.000 They sent him to a school in Devon with 14 year olds in which he was carrying knives and being aggressive.

00:49:00.000 He gets excluded from the school, suspended from the school.

00:49:04.000 He then is in a foster home with a foster mother, again, carrying knives, being aggressive.

00:49:07.000 The police do nothing.

00:49:08.000 The foster mother is worried about her life.

00:49:11.000 It turned out that this guy had already been arrested or was being hunted by Interpol, the European sort of FBI.

00:49:19.000 For murder of murdering two people in Serbia.

00:49:22.000 So, if the Home Office in Britain had done all of their checks beforehand and had actually vetted this guy properly and not put him in a school with school children, even though he'd already murdered two people, Thomas Roberts would still be alive today.

00:49:35.000 And two days, I think, before Thomas Roberts was actually murdered by this guy, the police had had a complaint that he was carrying around knives or a machete in a town.

00:49:43.000 The police went after him.

00:49:45.000 They went to his house.

00:49:46.000 They couldn't get into his house, so they just gave up.

00:49:48.000 I think a day later, or just hours later, he went and stabbed.

00:49:51.000 Thomas Roberts in the heart because of a dispute over one of those e scooters, again, after a night out.

00:49:58.000 And you're seeing, like, in Britain, I mean, the way this is fundamentally changing society outside of the violent crime.

00:50:03.000 I mean, there was this video that went viral, and it was probably a few weeks ago at this point, in London, in like a popular clubbing area, where 3, 4 a.m. rolls around.

00:50:11.000 These women are very drunk, they're very intoxicated. 0.67

00:50:14.000 And you'll see migrants just parked up in this alleyway that I think all the clubs kind of dump into. 0.98

00:50:18.000 And they're basically just, like, you know, preying on these women that are completely intoxicated. 0.97

00:50:24.000 Like these guys are probably sober for the most part.

00:50:26.000 It's just a fundamental change of, again, the way that Brits ought to conduct themselves.

00:50:31.000 They have to keep these things in mind. 0.87

00:50:33.000 And to your point, top down, it was imposed by, because this is a common thing in America where we say, oh, the British, the Canadians, the Australians, like that, this is all their fault. 0.58

00:50:40.000 But it's like at every option, at every time there was a pull lever to reduce immigration, Britain would do that. 0.67

00:50:46.000 The British people would do that, specifically the English.

00:50:48.000 And it's fallen on deaf ears every single time.

00:50:49.000 Well, I think this is a good point about being on a night out in England.

00:50:52.000 You know, as a young guy, you probably think you're going to be safe after you go to a nightclub or wherever you are in London, Oxford, whatever.

00:50:58.000 But look at this case.

00:50:59.000 Look at the case I was talking about with Thomas Roberts.

00:51:01.000 Another case, I interviewed someone for GB News about this anonymously.

00:51:06.000 She didn't want to say her name.

00:51:08.000 But she was on a night out in Oxford.

00:51:10.000 She was 20 years old. 0.99

00:51:12.000 She was walking home, and an illegal migrant came and raped her, grabbed her, literally just raped her in a churchyard. 0.98

00:51:19.000 And again, she felt that she would be safe just walking out by herself, as she should be, as she probably would have been 20, 30 years ago. 0.99

00:51:28.000 And this is the high trust society that we had that people still kind of naively think that we can.

00:51:33.000 We can live like that.

00:51:34.000 And now we can't.

00:51:36.000 After a night out, on the sort of early hours in the morning in big cities or towns in England, it is no longer safe to walk around as it was.

00:51:45.000 And the population are unfortunately learning that.

00:51:47.000 Well, it's interesting because obviously this massive upheaval in Britain was imposed by the Conservatives and the Labour sort of in conjunction.

00:51:54.000 They were both partners in this whole operation of just completely opening the borders, obviously under Boris Johnson, and they saw the largest wave of migrants, now called the Boris wave.

00:52:02.000 And it was funny because Labour got spanked in the last local elections by reform, obviously reform.

00:52:06.000 Promising immigration restriction.

00:52:08.000 And the labor leaders, they were putting, I was watching it, they're putting them up on television.

00:52:11.000 They would ask you, well, what happened?

00:52:12.000 How'd it go so wrong?

00:52:14.000 And they said, I just don't think we're selling our policy to the British people well enough.

00:52:18.000 They're basically making the argument no, this is all working.

00:52:20.000 It's just we're not doing a well of enough job of communicating.

00:52:23.000 They're now saying we're doing so badly because we need to go harder on opening the borders.

00:52:30.000 We're being too right wing on immigration.

00:52:31.000 That's literally what Labour members of Parliament are saying.

00:52:34.000 They're saying that their Home Secretary, Shabama Mahmood, is essentially a racist bigot who is trying to crack down on illegal migration far too much.

00:52:42.000 And we need to rejoin the European Union.

00:52:45.000 We need to be much more inclusive and welcoming of people from abroad.

00:52:48.000 This is the way the Labour Party are seemingly going to take this despite being completely destroyed in these elections.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the more radicalizing thing, if I were English, is that as critical as I am of US immigration policy over decades, on a relative basis, our immigrants are much higher skilled, certainly than the immigrants coming to the UK and Europe.

00:53:15.000 And beyond that, We, you know, you can at least tell a story of, well, we're an immigration country, our immigration history.

00:53:21.000 That story is very, very incomplete, as I detail in the unprotected class, but at least it's plausible.

00:53:27.000 Britain was, England was 99% white in 1950, right? 0.67

00:53:32.000 Like in the lives of people who are alive today, you know, 1066 was the last time you had a lot of unwanted immigration showing up at your doorstep. 0.71

00:53:42.000 And yet people just decided that it was fine to totally transform the basis of society because, you know, again, you can make an argument that America is a creedal people. 0.99

00:53:50.000 I don't think it's a A good argument, but you can make it.

00:53:54.000 That's not true.

00:53:56.000 There are actually, there isn't English people, there are British people, right?

00:54:00.000 There was that quote from Bill Maher, and he was on a show, and he was talking about visiting London in the 80s, and he's like, it was like suffocating in whiteness.

00:54:05.000 Everyone was white, and this was the 1980s.

00:54:08.000 That's most people's lifetimes.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, and the British people have explicitly voted for immigration restriction several times.

00:54:14.000 It's even different from America.

00:54:15.000 People could say, well, maybe Trump in 2016 wasn't that.

00:54:18.000 I mean, 2024 clearly is that.

00:54:20.000 But every election has pretty much been the people were voting for immigration restriction.

00:54:24.000 What was Brexit?

00:54:25.000 That was primarily over immigration restriction.

00:54:28.000 They were upset about the regulations from the EU, but the primary reason for them supporting Brexit was immigration restriction.

00:54:35.000 And they didn't get that.

00:54:36.000 They instead had immigration increase.

00:54:38.000 And even the vote for conservatives in 2019 was about immigration restriction and wasn't delivered to that.

00:54:44.000 And even the Labor Party was attacking conservatives for not restricting immigration and bringing all these immigrants in when they won.

00:54:51.000 So they keep voting for explicit immigration restriction, and the politicians do the opposite.

00:54:58.000 And it's even a different situation from what is in America.

00:55:00.000 But I also find the other interesting thing is the guy who, wanting to defend himself, says, Oh, he calls me a racial slur, which we even see here in America.

00:55:08.000 Prior most high profile incidents is that anytime a football player attacks a fan or another player and the guy happens to be white, he's like, Oh, he called me a racial slur.

00:55:17.000 Because the famous case of the Browns defensive and Miles Garrett.

00:55:21.000 Yeah.

00:55:23.000 He hit Mason Rudolph when he had no helmet on with a helmet.

00:55:27.000 And then, like, Mason Rudolph was the Steelers quarterback. 0.68

00:55:31.000 Most of his teammates are black, and he said he called me the n word.

00:55:33.000 And then there's all his other teammates, it's like he definitely didn't call you that. 0.77

00:55:36.000 But in order to defend this completely unacceptable behavior, you had to do this.

00:55:41.000 And then there's the Steelers receiver who attacked a fan, I think it was a Lions fan.

00:55:46.000 And then he claimed that the guy called him a racial slur, which the guy had to come out of hiding to do a press conference and beg the player to say he did not call him a racial slur, which he obviously didn't because all the other fans would have probably attacked him if he was.

00:55:58.000 Well, that's we're not we're not insulated from this in the U.S.

00:56:00.000 I mean, granted, we have systematic blocks that would allow something like this to happen to a degree.

00:56:04.000 But to your point, I mean, this is like a very common sentiment in America where anytime a situation like this happens, where, you know, it's a black guy attacks a white person, he's like, well, he racially abused me. 0.79

00:56:12.000 The replies or comments will be filled with like black people that are like, yeah, I know. 0.94

00:56:16.000 Like, yeah, you had it coming. 1.00

00:56:16.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

00:56:17.000 Because we've said this.

00:56:18.000 There's even white fans who do that. 0.53

00:56:20.000 The sports teams and bio people will come out of the woodwork like, oh, this obviously happened.

00:56:20.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 How could you disbelieve him?

00:56:28.000 And they will always believe that.

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 It's unbelievable.

00:56:30.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 And it's like a lot more common than people would think.

00:56:33.000 Again, like the whole idea of fighting, those are fighting words, you know, and it's just like, let's chug the builder, dude.

00:56:37.000 We just had this story two days ago.

00:56:39.000 He called the guy what?

00:56:40.000 Racial slurs, and then the guy.

00:56:42.000 He actually did, to be fair.

00:56:44.000 And there's video of a lot of his past rhetoric, so that reinforces the argument.

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, but very few people are like him.

00:56:52.000 He's a unique exception.

00:56:55.000 But all these other cases is clearly that person not saying that.

00:56:58.000 Just bring it back to Britain for a second, because there's actually three examples I can think of where anti racism has led to terrible, terrible consequences.

00:57:07.000 So.

00:57:08.000 You know, the grooming gangs are a great example of this, where the police and the local councils and authorities refused to investigate many of these cases because they were worried about being accused of racism.

00:57:18.000 And that allowed for the systematic rape or systemic rape of thousands, if not tens of thousands, even more than that, white young girls in Britain since the 1970s.

00:57:31.000 Another case more recently, the Manchester Arena bombing, where an Ariane de Grande concert in Manchester. 0.98

00:57:39.000 This Islamic terrorist blew up all these children.

00:57:41.000 Dozens of young girls were slaughtered. 0.69

00:57:44.000 One of the security guards noticed the attacker and thought he looked suspicious, but he said to an inquiry later that he didn't intervene because, again, he was worried about being accused of racism.

00:57:57.000 And the third one, and this is even more recent, this was in Nottingham.

00:58:01.000 A black guy went and stabbed two 19 year olds and a caretaker, I think he was in his 60s, all of whom died or were murdered by him.

00:58:10.000 He could have been sectioned by the National Health Service. 0.88

00:58:13.000 He was people they wanted to section him years before, but the National Health Service chose not to section him because apparently they they believed they'd been sectioning too many black people and they didn't want to be seen as as racist.

00:58:27.000 So, this is the outcome of anti racist ideology leads to death, leads to murder, leads to rape.

00:58:34.000 It's it's uh it's terrible, and I know you've written a lot about this in your book.

00:58:38.000 What's sectioning?

00:58:39.000 That's sectioning is when someone um is mentally unwell.

00:58:43.000 They take you in and they basically lock you up in a hospital, in a mental hospital, and treat you.

00:58:49.000 So this guy was basically mental or mentally unwell, and doctors referred him to the NHS to be sectioned, to be locked up under supervision.

00:59:01.000 And they didn't do that because they worried about being.

00:59:03.000 Why do you think England's getting hit?

00:59:05.000 Okay, the reason I ask this England's getting hit so hard by this.

00:59:09.000 Is it because of the deep centralization of authority?

00:59:12.000 So it makes it so that the king is like parliament?

00:59:16.000 Is basically the governor general's serves at the leisure of the king can be removed and then they can disband parliament if the king instructs them to.

00:59:24.000 Like, and then is the king like a puppet of the World Economic Forum that's trying to create the new world order?

00:59:30.000 I don't know, not that you know exactly, but what's your take on it?

00:59:33.000 Well, the king doesn't really have any role.

00:59:35.000 I mean, it's a ceremonial role essentially, so he can't really do anything politically.

00:59:40.000 You do have a very centralized political system though, because parliament is sovereign.

00:59:48.000 We don't have these sort of so called checks and balances.

00:59:50.000 So, when a government comes in with a majority in Parliament, they can pass any law they like and do whatever they want. 0.65

00:59:56.000 So, when you have all these instances, which Scott was referring to, where the British people vote in and elect these parliaments that are promising to reduce migration, they can just do the exact opposite. 0.65

01:00:07.000 There's nothing to stop them from doing that.

01:00:09.000 And that's exactly what happened, where you had these Conservative governments who kept promising their voters that we're going to reduce migration.

01:00:16.000 They would do the exact opposite and they could use legislation in Parliament to do that.

01:00:20.000 Are they importing because they need the labour?

01:00:23.000 It's a complex situation.

01:00:25.000 So, yes, businesses want cheap labor.

01:00:27.000 There's also this sort of diversity creed.

01:00:30.000 You know, we're stronger if we're diverse, which obviously isn't true.

01:00:34.000 And a lot of these people, again, it's a worry of being accused of racism.

01:00:38.000 Boris Johnson, the guy, the prime minister who let in more migrants than any other prime minister in recent years, four million people from the third world in a three year period 2021 to 2024.

01:00:51.000 I interviewed his former chief advisor who was there when they were in Downing Street.

01:00:55.000 And he told me that Boris was afraid of losing his friends in the liberal media.

01:01:01.000 And that's, again, because he's scared of being accused of racism.

01:01:04.000 And that was one of the reasons that he opened the border.

01:01:06.000 It was just appeasing these people in North London who are very liberal.

01:01:10.000 The elite in Britain believes in multiculturalism as a doctrine.

01:01:15.000 They want cheaper labour, absolutely.

01:01:17.000 And for the left, this doesn't apply to the right, but for the left, it's a political motivation as well, where, you know, same thing here in the States, you import people who will support you politically eventually in elections.

01:01:28.000 And I think that's slightly backfired. 0.80

01:01:30.000 There's some irony in that with the Muslims that have come into Britain at the moment because they're not supporting the Labour Party. 0.93

01:01:37.000 They're either supporting the Green Party, which is a radical left wing party, which has been around for decades, but it's become a kind of essentially Islamist party now, or they're supporting Islamist members of parliament or Islamist candidates specifically. 0.88

01:01:50.000 So now you've got this weird splintering of British politics where it's no longer Labour or Conservative, our equivalent of Republicans and Democrats.

01:01:59.000 The Islamist parties, the Green Party, the Reform Party led by Nigel Farage, lots of nationalist parties in Scotland and England and Wales.

01:02:07.000 So you're seeing a complete splintering because the demographics have just totally transformed in the last 30, 50 years.

01:02:14.000 Is racism illegal in Britain?

01:02:16.000 Because here you can be as racist as you want, it's legal.

01:02:19.000 Essentially, it is illegal because they have these laws against being what they call grossly offensive or racial hatred.

01:02:27.000 And if you tweet something that they think a judge decides is grossly offensive, you can be sent to prison.

01:02:33.000 If they tweet something, if you tweet something that is racially, stirs racial hatred, you can be sent to prison.

01:02:39.000 And that has happened.

01:02:39.000 Like I said, the case of Lucy Connolly was a famous one.

01:02:42.000 Do you think this story is going to instigate?

01:02:44.000 I mean, because we had the Southport stabbings.

01:02:47.000 This was another high profile stabbing. 1.00

01:02:49.000 A migrant obviously was the perpetrator.

01:02:51.000 And it led to riots.

01:02:52.000 Obviously, the atmosphere is a bit different now because, again, with reform, a lot of people have speculated that that will sort of tamp down on civil unrest because, again, reform can kind of be used as a siphon to siphon off the anger.

01:03:02.000 Do you think that's the reality?

01:03:04.000 Sort of stabbing will be high profile enough, galvanizing enough to like spur on some of that again social unrest.

01:03:09.000 I don't know if we're going to see riots.

01:03:11.000 I mean, that case in Southport was very specific where you had girls who were six, seven, eight years old going to a Taylor Swift dance class, getting stabbed hundreds of times by this offender.

01:03:24.000 Again, this is another case where anti racism came in, where one of the, I think the head teacher, they did an inquiry into this case where this boy who was born of Rwandan parents, Loads and loads of warnings.

01:03:36.000 He was preferred to the anti terrorism program we have in the UK called Prevent Beforehand.

01:03:42.000 No action was taken.

01:03:43.000 Again, found with knives on a bus.

01:03:46.000 The police took essentially no action.

01:03:48.000 And one of his teachers, I think the head teacher, said, raised concerns about the fact that he'd been carrying knives and was aggressive and was told, We cannot look like we're accusing a black boy of having a knife.

01:04:02.000 Essentially, we can't be looking like we're racist here.

01:04:07.000 And this led, without intervening in this case, to him going and murdering little children, little girls.

01:04:15.000 This is why people were rioting.

01:04:16.000 I mean, in this case, obviously, it's terrible.

01:04:19.000 But I think in that case, it was so emotionally driven.

01:04:23.000 I could completely understand why people were so angry at that time.

01:04:25.000 Because people point out, like in Ireland, it seems like Ireland is where you see the most rioting, the most, like you see people take matters in their own hands, like burn down migrant hotels and that sort of thing.

01:04:33.000 And some people have pointed out, well, the primary reason why that's happening is because there is no release valve for a lot of that frustration because Ireland doesn't have a right wing party.

01:04:39.000 There's not really a right wing movement to be said at all, really, in Ireland.

01:04:43.000 And so a lot of those people that, again, have these, they're furious with the situation in their country, there is no release valve.

01:04:48.000 Like they have to, if they feel backed into a corner, they have to conduct themselves in this matter.

01:04:53.000 Where, again, with the rise of reform in England, that could maybe function a bit more as a release valve?

01:04:58.000 Well, the Southport riots happened just after Labour won that general election.

01:05:02.000 And I think that's a good point.

01:05:04.000 I mean, maybe people felt at that time sort of disenfranchised and they couldn't do anything about it.

01:05:09.000 We're stuck with Labour for the next five years.

01:05:11.000 And as you say, we just had these local elections in Britain where reform did very well.

01:05:16.000 There's going to be a by election soon that's coming up where hopefully, I think, the Reform Party are hoping to win that election too.

01:05:21.000 So it looks like there is a potential alternative.

01:05:24.000 As you say, in Ireland, There is no alternative.

01:05:27.000 There's just grassroots campaigners.

01:05:30.000 In the Irish Parliament, there's like, what, two or three independent people who are anti migration.

01:05:35.000 So I don't want the UK to go down this road of political violence.

01:05:39.000 I don't want to see that.

01:05:41.000 I think we will see that increasingly if governments continue to promise one thing on migration and do another.

01:05:48.000 And if we continue to see these terrible cases where anti racism and DEI leads to the murder of white English people.

01:05:57.000 How do you guys?

01:05:58.000 Feel about remigration?

01:05:59.000 This is a term I just heard was tweeted out that the Trump administration, I think, had acknowledged they want to establish remigration.

01:06:05.000 This is what you can argue the Nazis were doing with getting rid of the gypsies and the Jews.

01:06:09.000 Remigration is an ancient tactic, like a punishment. 1.00

01:06:13.000 After you win a war, you remigrate the old population, meaning you move them out of the country, you get them out of there. 0.93

01:06:18.000 So, how extreme is it? 1.00

01:06:21.000 Do you think it can be done in a way that it actually would be a net benefit to society?

01:06:26.000 Well, I think you can.

01:06:26.000 I mean, there's actually a book.

01:06:28.000 By a guy named Martin Sellner coming out called Remigration.

01:06:31.000 It's in the next month or two from Passage Press that kind of talks about this in a European context.

01:06:36.000 I think it was hugely significant that Trump used this term that has sort of been more associated with further voices that have not been in the mainstream of the political sphere.

01:06:49.000 I think, in the way that it's actually used by political proponents, I mean, obviously, there are true extremists out there who want to go deport everybody who doesn't look just like them or whatever.

01:06:59.000 It's the idea that not just would you get rid of people who are here illegally, but you would very carefully interrogate legal folks here to make sure that they followed all their procedures correctly, that there's not fraud involved in them being here, and that anybody who gained citizenship for fraud becomes open in a way that it doesn't.

01:07:20.000 And then I think kind of the final wrinkle is again, the way that it is being pursued today is not that people who Came here through lawful procedures, did everything right, and are contributing better to society.

01:07:34.000 They're not going to push those people out the door.

01:07:36.000 But maybe if you're here and even if you did follow procedures, but you're on welfare and you're a public charge, which by the way, you're not supposed to be able to do as a migrant, that you might offer certain financial incentives for certain people to leave or give up citizenship, right?

01:07:50.000 Like, so it's the idea that it's not just that you're going to look at illegal immigration, you're going to look more broadly at how you can address that issue.

01:07:58.000 And I think as long as you're actually going after fraud and there's elements of it being voluntary and you're not just sort of randomly.

01:08:06.000 Picking people up off the street who have, you know, checked all the correct boxes and done all the correct things.

01:08:11.000 I think it's absolutely a viable strategy and it's really trying to change the terms of the debate, which I think is very useful.

01:08:18.000 And we've done this before in America.

01:08:20.000 We did this after World War I with Red Scare, where there were tens of thousands of people who hated America and wanted to become Bolshevik terrorists and wanted to lead a revolution here.

01:08:29.000 And then we deported them because they were a danger to our country. 0.91

01:08:32.000 And then we did this under President Eisenhower, where we had too many Hispanic laborers and they're taking American jobs. 1.00

01:08:38.000 And then we deported them. 0.99

01:08:39.000 They had dubious legal status.

01:08:41.000 We deported tens of thousands of them. 1.00

01:08:43.000 That's part of American tradition. 0.95

01:08:45.000 It's what many countries have done.

01:08:47.000 And there's ways of just not, you don't even have to, as Jeremy was alluding to, is that you don't even have to just like pick them up and send them on a plane.

01:08:55.000 Is that you just make the policies that are so unamendable to people who don't want to assimilate, who don't want to have a good job, who just want to live off welfare, that they're going to go back home.

01:09:06.000 And you make it that it would be more favorable for them to leave than for them to stay.

01:09:11.000 And so it's a part of American tradition.

01:09:13.000 A lot of the opponents like to claim it's Nazi or like anything bad that they might or that they don't like, they'll just claim is Nazi.

01:09:21.000 Like having a president who likes the military is somehow Nazi or something like that.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, the Nazis are pretty aggressive about it.

01:09:27.000 They would put people in camps and then, you know, at gunpoint, put in trains and just cart them out.

01:09:32.000 Like, do you think it could get to that level with an economic.

01:09:35.000 No.

01:09:36.000 What about what the economic.

01:09:36.000 No, because the public would be very upset about it.

01:09:39.000 I mean, is this a situation like that?

01:09:40.000 Well, obviously.

01:09:41.000 And even look at what the public has responded to Trump's.

01:09:44.000 Deportation rates that are fully justified and nowhere near that.

01:09:48.000 And it's a fact that the liberal media can gin up these sob stories.

01:09:52.000 It's like, oh no, they're taking a hard working father away.

01:09:54.000 And then the hard working father is actually like a twice convicted pedophile who doesn't even have a job.

01:10:00.000 And then they're having to pick him off the street and is actually a violent criminal.

01:10:03.000 But the public would have absolutely no stomach for it.

01:10:05.000 And no one's suggesting that type of policy.

01:10:07.000 We don't need that type of policy.

01:10:09.000 And even we're seeing that on the Trump administration where we are having a strong immigration crackdown and we've had at least a million people leave the country so far.

01:10:19.000 And there's going to be more people to leave the country when they realize that it's no longer a gravy train going along.

01:10:25.000 They no longer can subsist on the American people, that it's going to be better for them to go back home rather than them expecting that they're going to get all this welfare and all these benefits just for arriving in a city and saying, oh, I'm poor.

01:10:37.000 Oh, I think we're now having a better situation.

01:10:39.000 And no, we're never having to worry about loading up people on trains or doing anything.

01:10:44.000 Everyone would oppose that unless we somehow lost our democracy and that somehow the people who are upset about like some pedophile being put.

01:10:53.000 Being having a normal arrest that we can watch on cops every day and them being upset about that, you know, that's never going to happen, yeah.

01:11:01.000 Because I mean, like, you know, the Abrego Garcia thing dominated the news cycle for like two months, and that just shows that the left still has the ability to turn specific cases into wedge issues, yeah.

01:11:10.000 And so, I just don't really see a universe in which any sort of like barbaric remigration, you know, tactic could be utilized because there's so many stopgaps.

01:11:17.000 I just see it as a way of extending the debate behind beyond, and you alluded to this with Ted Cruz, the legal good, illegal bad.

01:11:24.000 It's like, yes, illegal bad, but also.

01:11:27.000 A fair bit of legal, if they are on welfare, if they are causing cultural problems through failure to assimilate, et cetera.

01:11:36.000 Some of that could be bad too. 0.54

01:11:38.000 And we're going to offer a sort of incentive structure where some of those guys may choose to not be here in the same way that a third of early 20th century European immigrants remigrated back to Europe.

01:11:48.000 You could also argue sometimes illegal good because if the law is bad, you need to break it.

01:11:54.000 You need to do the right thing.

01:11:55.000 Like down with tyranny, Thomas Jefferson spoke about the British crown.

01:11:59.000 Overtaxing the people.

01:12:00.000 We had to break the law to do the right thing. 1.00

01:12:02.000 So, not saying that it's always good to illegally immigrate into a country, but maybe sometimes it is.

01:12:09.000 I don't know.

01:12:09.000 It depends on who you are.

01:12:10.000 Well, it wouldn't be from my perspective. 0.54

01:12:11.000 I mean, I'm actually, when I talk about immigration a lot, I'm actually very careful about this point.

01:12:15.000 And not just for like being political reasons, but because I really believe it.

01:12:18.000 Like, I don't attack somebody for wanting to leave Haiti, right?

01:12:22.000 Like, I've been in the third world, I've spent a lot of time in the third world. 0.90

01:12:25.000 I understand why people want to leave there.

01:12:26.000 So, I don't attack them.

01:12:27.000 I don't say that, you know, they're bad people.

01:12:31.000 Uh, you know, that they're poisoning the blood of the nation or whatever it is, right?

01:12:34.000 So, I understand that why it's in their interest from their perspective in many cases to leave, but that doesn't mean that it's in the American people's interest, yeah, for them to be here. 0.87

01:12:44.000 And some of the things that, for example, the Trump administration is doing with third party, third countries.

01:12:48.000 So, you know, if you have a really legitimate claim where you are actually being persecuted in your country, we find a third, we're like, well, we're not going to let you settle here for the American welfare state, but we will send you to another country where you can be safe, right?

01:13:04.000 That's a way of addressing some of the legitimate claims that might come up in that.

01:13:09.000 But the reality is, that's such a small case.

01:13:11.000 These are economic migrants.

01:13:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:13.000 I do have an example of illegal immigration that would be good.

01:13:15.000 Say a bunch of our soldiers decided to illegally immigrate to Canada on behalf of a freedom fighting mission to liberate the Canadian people from their unjust tyranny there.

01:13:26.000 You know, that would be good.

01:13:27.000 And, you know, they would just go on their own, of course, under no guidance from the president.

01:13:32.000 They would somehow, they would even have to take their disavow.

01:13:36.000 And they would just go up to free Canada or really to teach Canada a lesson.

01:13:41.000 I think that would still be, whether liberation or teaching a lesson, I think that would be a warranted form of illegal immigration because we have a tyrannical regime right next door to us.

01:13:53.000 And it might have to be some brave soldiers to illegally immigrate there.

01:13:57.000 Yeah, Cuba looks like a well functioning democracy compared to Canada.

01:14:00.000 They just arrested Raul Castro.

01:14:01.000 They're hitting Raul Castro with some legal issues.

01:14:04.000 Sounds like we're going to illegally immigrate our troops into Cuba pretty soon.

01:14:07.000 I mean, my distinction is just purely if it's illegal or illegal.

01:14:07.000 Could be.

01:14:10.000 Is it good for America or bad for America?

01:14:12.000 It's like, Nancy, that would be good for America.

01:14:13.000 That'd be good for America.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 And also, like, you know, to Jeremy's point, I mean, I can't declare these people immoral or like get too, I don't know, maybe you can call me a libtard or something.

01:14:23.000 I don't even really get that mad at the migrant because it's like they're just following very strong incentive structures to come to the United States. 0.97

01:14:29.000 Like, yeah, if I lived in like Nicaragua, I would try to leave too. 0.99

01:14:32.000 Like, it's a terrible country. 0.98

01:14:34.000 The problem is my country sucks is not a valid reason for asylum. 0.97

01:14:38.000 So with remigration, the term, I assume it in, Indicates through force, that's the term. 0.96

01:14:45.000 No, I mean, I think that's the. 0.70

01:14:47.000 I mean, I can't speak to every historical usage, but the people who have been advocating it in a contemporary context have really been quite clear that it's voluntary to the extent that you would be moving anybody who's here legally.

01:14:59.000 Now, again, you might be looking and people who lied on their citizenship application, you know, that might be up for discussion, right?

01:15:06.000 Like they might have to go back involuntarily.

01:15:08.000 But the people talking about remigration in a political context today.

01:15:14.000 Are not suggesting that people who have been law abiding, who've checked all the boxes and done everything correctly, are going to be forced to leave America.

01:15:23.000 That is not what it's.

01:15:24.000 It's through, you could say it's through persuasion.

01:15:26.000 And even some European countries are doing this.

01:15:28.000 Like Denmark is making it a lot more difficult to be an immigrant in their country.

01:15:32.000 And that's seeing some of them leaving.

01:15:34.000 So is Sweden and a couple of other countries. 0.99

01:15:35.000 I think it's just that you make it that they set such a high standard that you have to be here that makes it that these immigrants are going to have to work twice as hard and they're not going to have to rely on the taxpayer to stay here or commit crimes or create a nuisance for the community and the country that creates such a high standard that many of them are going to leave. 0.99

01:15:55.000 And then also the fact is that we have. 1.00

01:15:57.000 Plenty of people that they're here, they're breaking the law because they're illegal immigrants. 1.00

01:16:03.000 They didn't follow the law. 1.00

01:16:04.000 And when you commit a crime, and that's a pretty big crime, you are arrested and then suffer the penalty.

01:16:10.000 That's not a genocidal act.

01:16:13.000 That is just following the law.

01:16:14.000 Yeah.

01:16:14.000 I mean, self deportations is kind of the secret sauce here.

01:16:17.000 If you really want to conduct mass deportations, like how feasible is it that ICE can get 30 million people out just with raids?

01:16:23.000 It's like, no, you got to crank the pressure up.

01:16:25.000 You got to say, actually, no, the taxpayer is not going to effectively subsidize your entire life.

01:16:29.000 And oftentimes, In the case of Denmark, they're just like, oh, the gravy train's over.

01:16:33.000 Okay, we're going back home.

01:16:34.000 That's one of the upsides of a CBDC, central bank digital currency, is you can pay these people and then they'll leave and then you can turn their bank account off and they can't spend the money you pretended to give them.

01:16:45.000 I mean, it's a horrible, evil tactic, but that's the power of centralization.

01:16:49.000 Yeah, I think you could just run quick math and just be like, okay, how much would it cost to continue to subsidize them versus how much can you just pay them once to leave?

01:16:57.000 And it's more ethical.

01:16:59.000 And then in addition to that, they'll typically take that.

01:17:02.000 Say, well, I can get the couple grand and just get out.

01:17:03.000 What about their families?

01:17:05.000 Like, if the kid was born here, but the dad gets the boot because he's illegal, do you remigrate the entire family?

01:17:10.000 Well, as Trump says, we want to keep the families together.

01:17:12.000 I mean, that's the inhumane act to say the kid grows up in foster care here.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:18.000 We want to keep the families together.

01:17:20.000 And that's why this all hinges on the birthrights.

01:17:22.000 I mean, if birthright citizenship continues to be put in place, it makes it much more difficult to actually have a serious immigration policy because, again, the initial point or the initial argument for birthright citizenship is not applicable to the current.

01:17:33.000 Situation we're in the United States now, where I mean, we were talking beforehand about like the U.S. national teams and these different characters and the soccer team.

01:17:39.000 There's various players on the U.S. national soccer team whose mom literally was like on vacation in America, had the child, and then he moved back to wherever and grew up there.

01:17:48.000 But because his mom was on vacation in America, he's now eligible to play for the U.S. national team.

01:17:52.000 It's like the whole idea of birth tourism, I think, is a bit overstated.

01:17:55.000 I think it's more likely these people are just very conscious of the fact that, again, if my child is born here, then in the eyes of the law, he's no different than someone who's like a Mayflower descendant or something like that.

01:18:03.000 So it's quite dramatic stuff, but we do have to keep moving here.

01:18:06.000 We get to keep the show on the road.

01:18:07.000 This is from Politico.

01:18:09.000 Mertz wouldn't tell his kids to move to America anymore.

01:18:12.000 Quote, right now, my admiration is not increasing, Chancellor Frederick Mertz says of America.

01:18:16.000 This is obviously the Chancellor of Germany.

01:18:18.000 We've seen, it's fair to say, a rift between Berlin and Washington.

01:18:22.000 And this is common among virtually every European leader.

01:18:25.000 I think they're increasingly frustrated with President Trump, the way that he has sort of conducted his administration in the United States.

01:18:33.000 From Politico, German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz said Friday he would no longer advise young people to move to the U.S. for work or study, citing what he described as the, quote, worsening social climate in America.

01:18:42.000 Speaking at a gathering of German Catholics in the southwestern city of Würzburg, Mertz said, I would not recommend to my children today that they go to the U.S. to get an education and to work, a remark that drew applause from the audience.

01:18:54.000 The Chancellor explained that, quote, the social climate has suddenly developed in the U.S. and had become deeply concerning and argued that, quote, even the best educated in America have great difficulty in finding a job.

01:19:06.000 Mertz, who is Catholic, has three children and seven grandchildren.

01:19:08.000 Quote, I am a great admirer of America, but right now my admiration is not increasing.

01:19:12.000 Now, there's a lot, you have to read it between the lines quite a bit with this quote, because at first glance, you're like, oh, base.

01:19:18.000 Like he's acknowledging that young people in America are having a difficult time.

01:19:22.000 There's a lot of geopolitical jostling going on right now.

01:19:25.000 And I think this is clearly an indication of that, where Merz doesn't want to go all out and just start taking hits at Trump because it's like the situation between the two countries is so dire.

01:19:32.000 He wants to keep any form of communication, any form of correspondence between the US and Germany alive.

01:19:38.000 But he's increasingly frustrated, clearly, as many other European leaders are, with again, the United States is really prioritizing their interests in negotiations with European nations, with NATO broadly.

01:19:48.000 We just saw recently that the US is going to withdraw thousands of troops from Germany.

01:19:52.000 So, the situation is really developing.

01:19:54.000 What do you guys think?

01:19:55.000 What do you think is the underlying tension here with MERS?

01:19:57.000 I mean, this is a really particular line to use.

01:20:00.000 Well, it's a message to the domestic public because what's happening in Europe is it's a funny line where he said, Oh, they can't get a job.

01:20:06.000 It's actually worse in Europe for the best educated, that the young people can't get a job.

01:20:11.000 They can't afford housing.

01:20:12.000 And some of them are considering to move to America.

01:20:14.000 Some of them are going to the Gulf states.

01:20:16.000 So, it's him telling the young people, It's like, Oh, it'd be far worse for you in America to go there.

01:20:20.000 There's even less jobs. 0.85

01:20:21.000 It's much better to stay here.

01:20:23.000 And so, it's a message for their own public.

01:20:24.000 To say like things you think it's bad in Germany, you think it's bad in Europe, it's far worse in America, which I think that's a rather dubious claim.

01:20:34.000 That's not quite true.

01:20:35.000 I mean, obviously, the employment situation for recent college grads is not good compared to our relative past, but it's also worse in Europe for recent college grads and for the most highly educated.

01:20:48.000 And that's why they feel that they get these jobs and they're not paying as much as they should. 0.74

01:20:53.000 And that's why they want to go over to America.

01:20:55.000 Also, that they're going to get paid more.

01:20:58.000 For the type of work or for the type of skills that they have.

01:21:00.000 So I think it's him trying to give a message to his own people saying, like, oh, no, you don't want to go to America.

01:21:06.000 It's so bad.

01:21:07.000 Which I think he could have made more relevant remarks, maybe saying it's like, you're going to have to get a car.

01:21:14.000 You don't want to drive.

01:21:15.000 It's so dangerous.

01:21:16.000 There's no walkability.

01:21:17.000 There's no walkability.

01:21:18.000 The trains are a nightmare.

01:21:20.000 Public transportation is nightmarish.

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:23.000 Or you could say something about crime or you say something, but he uses the one thing that we probably have a clear advantage over Europeans for. 0.79

01:21:30.000 He does say the social climate in America is changing. 0.81

01:21:32.000 And I think that's a bit of a wink to maybe a few things.

01:21:36.000 So, number one, people in Europe tend to think America is just a gun ridden, dangerous place where, you know, if you go to anywhere in the States, your chances are of getting shot at like 90%.

01:21:46.000 Like, literally, people are.

01:21:47.000 By a cowboy, no less.

01:21:48.000 Yeah.

01:21:49.000 Exactly.

01:21:50.000 And also, there's a sort of massive backlash against Trump.

01:21:53.000 You've seen tourism in America decline from Europeans.

01:21:56.000 And I think that is a bit of a Trump effect to this. 0.70

01:21:58.000 So, it's a kind of anti Trump message to the German population, which I imagine would be very popular.

01:22:03.000 Foot domestically, and it's a kind of wink about American crime and things like that.

01:22:08.000 But the salaries here are so much higher than in Europe.

01:22:11.000 I mean, if you look at the GDP per capita of every single US state, Britain is poorer than every single one, including Mississippi.

01:22:17.000 So, you know, there's a reason that lots of Europeans do look to America for jobs and work because the salaries are so much higher.

01:22:23.000 And I think, I mean, I'm someone who's come from Europe.

01:22:25.000 I now live in the United States.

01:22:28.000 I used to live in London.

01:22:29.000 I think Washington, D.C., is a great place to live.

01:22:32.000 You know, I live in Arlington, in Virginia, and the standard of living is fantastic.

01:22:36.000 As I said, the salaries are higher.

01:22:37.000 I feel very safe.

01:22:38.000 It's a nice area.

01:22:39.000 Like being in America, I think there's a huge misconception from Europeans of what America is like.

01:22:44.000 Like not everywhere is like Detroit or, you know, whatever.

01:22:48.000 Well, I think what's interesting here, and at least again, this is a bit of reading between the lines, but it seems like part of the frustration with a lot of the youth in Europe is that their countries are like fundamentally, and I'm just going to speak explicitly, like fundamentally boomer welfare states, where effectively you have an increasingly smaller proportion of the population that is young, of working age, that is now subsidizing.

01:23:07.000 The boomers, the elderly, to live their lives.

01:23:09.000 And the United States has this problem. 1.00

01:23:11.000 I mean, half of our budget is like literally like, you know, discretionary spending effectively.

01:23:16.000 It's going towards Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, et cetera.

01:23:18.000 But Europe, it's like on steroids.

01:23:22.000 And there's no way that politicians can ever do anything about this.

01:23:24.000 Because again, they will get decimated at the ballot box if they ever touch any of these, what are effectively boomer subsidies. 0.70

01:23:32.000 And again, I mean, America has these problems. 0.82

01:23:33.000 But to Stephen's point, I mean, it still functions.

01:23:36.000 Like generally, you'll get out what you put in for the most part in the United States.

01:23:39.000 And that is just not the case.

01:23:40.000 And so I think a lot of German youth and Europeans broadly are just growing increasingly frustrated with how much, I mean, it's almost adversarial towards young people in a lot of these countries.

01:23:50.000 Well, I would at all times endorse the comments of any foreign leader telling his citizens not to migrate to America.

01:23:56.000 That's like my bottom line.

01:23:58.000 I also live in Montana with the highest firearms ownership of any state, but certainly not the highest crime.

01:24:04.000 So perhaps the German leader could contemplate that a little bit.

01:24:08.000 But yeah, I think I certainly agree with the comments being shared.

01:24:13.000 And I do think it's indicative of a rift, and it's also indicative of a lot of delusional beliefs that they have in Europe.

01:24:22.000 And I think.

01:24:25.000 How you say that diplomatically in that sort of context, I mean, you know, I'll let the folks at state figure that out or the president figure that out.

01:24:33.000 But in terms of the reality, I think it's, you know, he's pretty off base.

01:24:38.000 Do you see that sort of rift, though, between the kind of European perception of America and the reality?

01:24:44.000 Because, I mean, another thing that Europeans are obsessed about is the American healthcare system.

01:24:48.000 And they think that because you have an insurance based system, essentially, if you, you know, go to hospital here, you're going to face a bill of like, $200,000 and everyone is paying huge premiums and so on.

01:24:59.000 Whereas we have the free NHS and it's brilliant and everything else.

01:25:02.000 So, but again, in my case, if you have health insurance, you know, the health system here is very efficient.

01:25:07.000 You get seen pretty much instantly.

01:25:09.000 Whereas in Britain, I'll be waiting months for an appointment in the NHS.

01:25:12.000 So, you know, whilst the system here isn't perfect, I'm not defending the healthcare system.

01:25:16.000 I don't think it's amazing.

01:25:18.000 But in Britain, we have, you know, other problems with the NHS.

01:25:21.000 So there's a kind of cultural, I think, complete misconception of what it's like to be in the United States.

01:25:27.000 And what an incredible country you guys have.

01:25:29.000 I mean, I love, I've been so lucky to travel with GB News all over the states and see your incredible landscapes and, you know, meet so many people.

01:25:37.000 Don't say that.

01:25:38.000 Amazing.

01:25:38.000 How horrible it is.

01:25:39.000 No, no, it's terrible.

01:25:40.000 It's terrible.

01:25:41.000 It is a nightmare.

01:25:42.000 Montana, very terrible. 1.00

01:25:43.000 You'll be shot. 1.00

01:25:44.000 There are cowboys marauding everywhere, ready to shoot anyone with a foreign accent. 0.99

01:25:47.000 You'll be shot, and then you'll be charged a million dollars to. 0.99

01:25:49.000 Yes, you will be charged for that gunshot.

01:25:51.000 It feels like the United States, you're kind of on your own here.

01:25:51.000 Wow.

01:25:55.000 Like, you don't have insurance, you lose your crypto in a transfer.

01:25:59.000 We have some, like if your bank account gets hacked, banks, we have FDIC insurance, but you're kind of on your own here.

01:26:06.000 Government ain't here to take care of you.

01:26:07.000 You got to make the best for yourself and your own.

01:26:10.000 I think it was Lindyman was making this point that if you're middle to upper class in the United States, it's the finest place on planet Earth to live.

01:26:15.000 Like it is exceptional quality of life.

01:26:16.000 But if you're in the lower class of America, it is something approximating third world. 0.96

01:26:20.000 Like it is absolute chaos. 0.85

01:26:23.000 And like every social indicator is just like in the tank with like the lower classes in America. 0.97

01:26:27.000 Like it's just unbelievable. 0.88

01:26:29.000 Yeah, we have clear winners and losers here, which I think in the Most well functioning European countries, there's a greater leveling where it's not like maybe you're more working class, but you can still have a decent quality of life. 0.65

01:26:41.000 But here in America, it's like you're either working really hard to ensure you have a nice quality of life, and you're certainly working a lot more than Europeans on average do, or your life is far worse than could be imagined in like Germany or Norway. 0.57

01:26:58.000 Yeah. 0.63

01:26:58.000 It's just interesting because, I mean, kind of back to this point that I was making earlier about how, like, again, Europe functionally is a boomer welfare state now. 0.63

01:26:58.000 Yeah. 0.63

01:27:05.000 I'm worried because I'm starting to see these elements creep into, like, the American political zeitgeist where, again, young people, like, seriously, they feel like they're under the gun over there.

01:27:15.000 In the United States, again, to Ian's point, I mean, you are on your own a little bit.

01:27:18.000 Like, you kind of get out what you put in for the most part. 1.00

01:27:20.000 But I'm seeing increasing indications that in the United States, the elderly are driving a lot more policymaking. 0.88

01:27:28.000 And something that me and Scott have discussed is the whole Property tax debate, where again, it feels like on its face, the argument that's being made is well, you should be sovereign over your own property. 0.98

01:27:36.000 It's like, yeah, but again, who benefits from property taxes being abolished?

01:27:40.000 Well, it's elderly homeowners, and who gets punished the most? 1.00

01:27:42.000 It's like young people who are trying to break into the house. 0.75

01:27:44.000 Yeah, boomers are not going to be sovereign when someone's breaking their home or that they have a heart attack, and they're not going to just drive themselves, or maybe they could, but they probably most likely, if they have a health episode, they're going to be calling the ambulance.

01:27:57.000 And a lot of these first responders are subsidized by the property taxes that they no longer want to pay.

01:28:02.000 And they're the primary beneficiaries.

01:28:05.000 Of the services provided by property taxes, with the exception of schools.

01:28:10.000 But even now, they're like, I shouldn't pay for schools because I guess they no longer have grandchildren or they don't care about them.

01:28:16.000 Well, that's what's so frustrating because it's like, okay, yeah, we do have this very tenuous social compact.

01:28:20.000 Like, there isn't that much that's expected of you to a degree as far as like money exchanges.

01:28:23.000 But one thing that we do have is this agreement that, okay, the young people will again pay for Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid, et cetera.

01:28:30.000 And in return, yeah, your end of the bargain is the property taxes. 0.52

01:28:33.000 Like, you still have to sort of pay into the system to some degree.

01:28:37.000 And seeing that completely cut off, where it's like not a chance in Hades that again social security gets touched.

01:28:41.000 But again, the elderly are increasingly frustrated with how much money that they're having to pay on their end of the economic spectrum.

01:28:47.000 They expect that once they retire, now it's their time to kick their feet up and then just receive as much, you know, income as possible.

01:28:54.000 And I'm just seeing this as a young person, I'm seeing how frustrated people are in Europe.

01:28:56.000 I'm like, we're heading towards again really zero benefits for the young and then massive benefits for the elderly.

01:29:02.000 And it's like, if these people proposing the abolition of property taxes are doing that in conjunction with also slashing social security, it'd be like, okay, let's play ball.

01:29:08.000 But that's not what's happening at all.

01:29:09.000 Yeah, but we're more likely to cut.

01:29:11.000 Spending for public education, which there are problems with public schools, but not everyone has the capability or has the time to homeschool their children or pursue options in private school.

01:29:23.000 We're going to, as a country, we need public education.

01:29:25.000 We should reform it and change it.

01:29:27.000 But the increasing the option for defunding public education isn't because it's woke. 0.84

01:29:33.000 It's because old people don't want to pay for it anymore because they're like, I don't use it.

01:29:37.000 I'm like, hopefully you have grandchildren that might use it.

01:29:41.000 But increasingly, they don't care about that.

01:29:43.000 And it's also like, okay.

01:29:43.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 That's the whole point of the social compact is again, like, okay, even if they're not your own grandchildren, those are still going to be the future of your country, so to speak.

01:29:50.000 And we saw this report recently that, like, pretty much every academic indicator has tanked over the last few years among young people, especially post COVID.

01:29:57.000 And it's like, that would indicate that now is the time to, like, really dig into the public school system to really reform it and these sorts of things.

01:30:03.000 Not saying you need to throw more money at it.

01:30:04.000 If anything, throwing more money at it has actually made it worse.

01:30:07.000 Like, I mean, you're seeing a lot of people point fingers at these Chromebooks that are in every school as, like, part of the problem is that young people are, like, increasingly dependent on technology instead of, like, actually developing academically.

01:30:16.000 But you would think that the reaction would be, Okay, like let's get elected to school board positions.

01:30:20.000 Let's like really reform it.

01:30:21.000 But instead, the option is this nuclear option.

01:30:23.000 You know, people say it's like killing a squirrel with a bazooka.

01:30:25.000 It's like let's just blow the whole system up.

01:30:27.000 And then, uh, whatever happens, happens as long as I have more money in my pocket.

01:30:30.000 You get into the like the uh, Corey DeAngelis is uh leading a charge on like a lot of like homeschooling moves.

01:30:35.000 He's great, he's been on the show multiple times, but like tax credits or actual just eight thousand dollar yearly payments to like women that homeschool their child and the child performs well enough on a standardized test six times a year or something.

01:30:50.000 How would you prove that if she wouldn't be the one, if she's the one administering the test and then getting paid? 0.51

01:30:53.000 You got to let this kid go through a legit testing situation.

01:30:56.000 But do you guys adhere to something like that?

01:30:58.000 I think at states, if they want to give tax credits to certain homeschooling parents that meet those metrics, that's fine.

01:31:05.000 But I think if it's like for the average citizen, we're mostly going, we're all paying for it.

01:31:11.000 But if it's a certain parent where they're doing another option and then there's a way that they could get tax credits for their hard work and it's showing that their child is performing above average or at a certain level that's showing that they're getting a great education on their own, I think that's perfectly fine.

01:31:26.000 Well, the key there is something that we could explore on the state level.

01:31:28.000 Yeah.

01:31:28.000 And the key that you said there is metrics, right?

01:31:30.000 Et cetera.

01:31:30.000 Standards.

01:31:31.000 Because this is kind of the problem as I see it, where again, there's this move towards pronatalism and we want to start like paying people to have kids effectively.

01:31:37.000 Is I made this point on my show and like I was getting eviscerated for it, but I was like, okay, the fact that it didn't work in Hungary will demonstrate that it's really not going to work in the US.

01:31:45.000 Because again, for the average middle class couple that's like, oh, I, you know, the child would be like really limiting to my lifestyle or that sort of thing. 0.63

01:31:50.000 Like they have these very like social reasons why they don't want to have children.

01:31:54.000 Five grand isn't going to like move the needle for them to be like, okay, actually, you know what?

01:31:57.000 Five grand, all right, I'll have some kids.

01:31:59.000 But what that will move the needle for is like people that are very poor.

01:32:02.000 And again, that's typically what the implication is going to be of, again, expanding welfare nets in the United States is that you're subsidizing people to, again, conduct themselves in a certain way.

01:32:11.000 For the middle class, we need much more. 0.55

01:32:12.000 If we're going to solve this birth rate issue, if we're going to promote pronatal policy, the solution isn't just throw more money at it. 0.87

01:32:18.000 Because, again, you're not going to end up getting the desired outcome of a policy like that.

01:32:22.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 One thing with it is, you know, by abolishing property taxes and taking that money away from schools, that adds an additional burden on young families.

01:32:30.000 Right.

01:32:31.000 Is that now they're going to have to.

01:32:32.000 Forced to take time thereafter to quit their job to either educate their children or spend more money on a private school, which are, and the schools are going to be even worse.

01:32:40.000 So it's adding an even further burden on those who choose on young families.

01:32:44.000 So I have to mention, like, where I was saying at the top, unless you're in conjunction with like various cuts to other social programs, that's not going to happen.

01:32:51.000 Like, if let's just say Florida abolished property tax, they're not going to like cut into any other government programs.

01:32:56.000 That's just something everyone knows is like, you know, conservative media 101 is like, you know, government programs never decrease in size, they only increase.

01:33:02.000 There's actually a lot of truth of that.

01:33:03.000 And again, if you're like, if you're cutting your tax income, But not cutting elsewhere to, like, again, lower the state budget.

01:33:08.000 All that's going to happen is they just have to come up with more creative ways to tax people.

01:33:12.000 So, again, if you abolish property taxes, you're just going to have to crank up the sales tax.

01:33:15.000 So, then if a young person.

01:33:16.000 Or income tax, even, which conservatives should hate more, but I've argued with people on this.

01:33:20.000 So, like, oh, I'd pay more for income tax.

01:33:23.000 I'm like, first off, you're not going to be happy when the lawmakers say, okay, we need to raise revenue.

01:33:28.000 We're going to increase income taxes.

01:33:29.000 And then all those people are going to be voting those people out because everyone gets mad about it.

01:33:33.000 Everyone hates income tax.

01:33:34.000 Or they, like, crank up some sort of sales tax and then functionally you're just.

01:33:38.000 Front loading whatever your property tax would be on your home in the first place.

01:33:41.000 So it's like, then if you already own your home, it's great for you.

01:33:43.000 But if you're young and trying to buy a house, have an extra 10%, you know, tabs are stuck on your home.

01:33:47.000 And guess what group pays the least amount in income taxes?

01:33:50.000 Well, besides people in welfare, the boomers, the elderly, the retirees, they don't have to.

01:33:54.000 So it's once again that there's like, well, I don't have to pay that tax.

01:33:58.000 Right.

01:33:58.000 So why does it bother me?

01:33:59.000 And they're like, oh, and it's a fixed income.

01:34:01.000 I'm like, no, it's inflation.

01:34:02.000 I don't know why people say this talking point.

01:34:04.000 Like it's a fixed income.

01:34:05.000 It's like it's inflation adjusted.

01:34:06.000 It's cost of living adjusted.

01:34:08.000 All the time.

01:34:09.000 Like, this is a very common mechanism that occurs.

01:34:11.000 It's like, no, your income's not fixed.

01:34:13.000 It does.

01:34:13.000 I mean, okay, you can make an argument that maybe it needs to be increased in certain instances, but like, we have a mechanism in place that functionally adjusts.

01:34:20.000 It bumps it up as inflation increases, as cost of living increases.

01:34:24.000 We had an article in The American Mind, which is a Claremont Institute publication, about what was called total boomer luxury communism.

01:34:31.000 And I think that that's basically the situation that we're in.

01:34:34.000 And, you know, even when you look at property taxes, you know, in theory, like, I'm sort of sympathetic to the idea that.

01:34:41.000 When you own something, you should own it.

01:34:42.000 But that when you look at the practical incidents of these things, you're bailing out the people with the most money yet again, you know, et cetera.

01:34:51.000 And so I think that it's probably the least of the evils.

01:34:55.000 Yeah.

01:34:57.000 That's on the menu.

01:34:59.000 And of course, you know, for the vast majority of these people, if they really can't pay the property tax, because usually because their property's increased a lot in value, you can, of course, tap equity and pretty much do that for your entire life. 0.62

01:35:13.000 So, you know, there are lots of ways to solve this without being forcing old people to move out of their homes. 0.66

01:35:13.000 Yeah. 0.66

01:35:18.000 Well, and this is why it's such a good point, the boomer communism, because this, I think, is like fundamentally why the young people in Europe are increasingly frustrated. 0.69

01:35:25.000 Because again, they're paying like, 40, in some cases, 50% marginal taxes on their income. 0.61

01:35:29.000 And that money's not coming back to them.

01:35:31.000 That money is going to these massive social networks, social welfare safety nets, I guess you would say, that, again, are just supporting an increasingly large share of the population that's elderly.

01:35:41.000 And so, like, you know, in Britain, the NHS is getting more and more expensive to operate from the government's perspective.

01:35:46.000 That money has to get tapped out of the working age population. 0.69

01:35:49.000 And then it's increasingly benefiting people that are older.

01:35:52.000 So it literally is like a wealth transfer from the youth to the elderly.

01:35:55.000 And, you know, so many people on the right will like chess beat about, like, oh, we need to win back young people or we need to make young people believe.

01:36:00.000 Again, they can't maybe articulate specifically the issue with like property tax abolition, but they understand for the most part that, again, their wages are getting garnished at the same rate or an increasing rate over time, and they're not receiving the benefits they would expect from that.

01:36:13.000 And in Europe, it's on steroids.

01:36:15.000 It sounds like a breeding ground for a Marxist revolution. 0.85

01:36:18.000 Like the children will say, the upper class, the other class, which is the boomer class, now is paying less for more. 0.79

01:36:26.000 Why? 0.99

01:36:26.000 Why would we put up with this when they're weaker than us? 0.99

01:36:28.000 Well, and this is like, I'm trying to mitigate a generational war from occurring because we don't want that.

01:36:32.000 We don't want like the generations.

01:36:33.000 Pointing fingers at each other and blaming each other for it.

01:36:35.000 Like, that's what we're trying to mitigate here.

01:36:36.000 The problem is, when you start to pursue policies like this, you're going to inflame tensions between the generations.

01:36:41.000 Unfortunately, the most important voters are old people, while young people are busy placing bets on FanDuel.

01:36:50.000 And I don't know.

01:36:52.000 Young people have more of the things to do, but young people are not that important of a voter demographic, at least for young men.

01:36:59.000 I imagine this is a big issue because we live in a Ponzi scheme with fiat currency where we're constantly printing.

01:37:06.000 Money and then have to pay interest back.

01:37:08.000 So we owe more than we borrow from the Federal Reserve.

01:37:11.000 So we're always looking to get more from somewhere else and there's never enough.

01:37:15.000 I don't know if it's, if, if has the world always been like that?

01:37:19.000 Maybe, maybe there have been instances where like sound money.

01:37:22.000 Trump's trying to bring back, you know, the tariff economy.

01:37:24.000 I mean, the tariff obviously previously in American history provided a lot of relief for the government when they're trying to balance the budget.

01:37:30.000 And so Trump is making an attempt to like, again, recuperate some income for the federal government through tariffs, which is pretty sensible in my estimation.

01:37:37.000 And the court shut that down.

01:37:39.000 A week ago or something?

01:37:40.000 It gets jammed up all the time, but for the most part, it's still.

01:37:42.000 We are getting more revenue from tariffs.

01:37:44.000 So some of it's, you know, it's a little shaky ground, but we are making more money from tariffs now.

01:37:44.000 Yeah.

01:37:50.000 Well, with that, I think we should get to this last story.

01:37:52.000 I'd say this is the most pressing story of the day, probably of the year, honestly.

01:37:56.000 This is from BET.

01:37:57.000 So I would say, out of all the reputable outlets that we cite on the show, I'd say this is probably the outlet that I think is worthy.

01:38:03.000 I would say it has the highest journalistic standards.

01:38:04.000 Again, this is a very relevant publication for all of us sitting here at this table.

01:38:08.000 Michael.

01:38:09.000 Just made biopic history.

01:38:11.000 The new Michael Jackson movie just hit a major milestone and has already earned $577 million globally, providing that the king of pop's musical legacy lives on.

01:38:20.000 Now, Scott, you had some really strong opinions on this Michael biopic, and you were clamoring before the show that we did cover this story.

01:38:26.000 I'm curious what your takeaway is.

01:38:27.000 Oh, it's an extremely entertaining movie.

01:38:29.000 I mean, from the first hee hee that comes out at the opening, seeing Wannabe starting something, you're just locked in for this incredible entertainment experience where you get to meet all his zoo animals he got, you know, bubbles.

01:38:42.000 The chimp is there.

01:38:44.000 And that was something I really wanted to see.

01:38:47.000 I wanted to see, make sure the bubbles were there.

01:38:49.000 Also, the python, the pet python he has.

01:38:52.000 His nephew, who plays Michael Jackson, does a pretty good job.

01:38:52.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 Has all the right dance moves, does the moonwalk, has his voice down and everything.

01:39:01.000 So I think it's a good movie.

01:39:04.000 Is it a documentary film?

01:39:06.000 No, it's a live action movie.

01:39:07.000 Yeah.

01:39:09.000 So did Michael Jackson not diddle those kids?

01:39:11.000 Well, they don't get to that part, but I don't think they're allowed legally to go to that.

01:39:15.000 But I actually am one of those people that doesn't because they did two extensive, expensive, thorough investigations, both in the 90s and the 2000s.

01:39:23.000 In the 2000s, the FBI was involved.

01:39:25.000 And the authorities wanted to nail him on this.

01:39:28.000 They wanted to find it.

01:39:29.000 I mean, it's obviously this huge entertainer is accused of one of the worst crimes you could be accused of.

01:39:36.000 And he has all these children that are hanging out with him or something, like McCauley Culkin and all them.

01:39:42.000 And they could not find enough.

01:39:44.000 They found no criminal wrongdoing.

01:39:46.000 The FBI concluded that.

01:39:47.000 And they spent all this money, both the LA district attorney, or it might not have been LA, but that was the first case.

01:39:54.000 And then the federal government spent this money.

01:39:56.000 And they couldn't find any criminal wrongdoing.

01:39:58.000 And there's plenty of children that they interviewed, all these people, and they never found it.

01:40:01.000 So I don't actually think he did it.

01:40:03.000 There has been those accusations, but those accusations, at least for one of them, was made by a father who was wanting a massive payout.

01:40:11.000 And he did get the massive payout when Jackson asked his attorneys, What's the cheapest option here?

01:40:19.000 And they said, Just make a payout.

01:40:21.000 Let me actually try to take this and make it into a slightly serious bigger picture.

01:40:26.000 This is extremely serious.

01:40:28.000 There are actually two things here.

01:40:30.000 So, I mean, as we're looking at this story, I mean, 577 million worldwide in three weeks, which in today's depressed box office, you know, that's actually a pretty big deal, especially for his second highest grossing biopic either.

01:40:42.000 I think there are a couple of things, and I can say this as the resident geriatric here.

01:40:46.000 I was talking with you guys before.

01:40:47.000 I mean, when I was born in 1972, so when Thriller came out, I think it was 83, 82, 83.

01:40:55.000 I mean, there was nobody in my lifetime who was bigger than.

01:40:55.000 So I was a kid.

01:41:00.000 Than Michael Jackson was at that moment.

01:41:02.000 And I think there are two things kind of going on there that are interesting.

01:41:06.000 One is like this was supposedly the era of great systemic, awful racism, right?

01:41:11.000 But here was this African American entertainer who was like not just among African Americans, but among your most basic white girl and whoever else ever.

01:41:20.000 I mean, this was like the big star, right?

01:41:23.000 So that was going on.

01:41:24.000 I think that is one sort of interesting point.

01:41:27.000 The second point is I think that this points to the fact that we've had such a Artistic and popular collapse of live music in our current era, right?

01:41:37.000 That we're still harkening back to, you know, these, you know, 1980s guys, right?

01:41:45.000 Which is like the last time that this all sort of felt new and fresh and relevant.

01:41:49.000 And when I listen to my older kids, who are my three teenagers, and I'm listening to their music, I mean, they're kind of listening to stuff from this era or like back in the 60s.

01:41:58.000 Now, we listened to 60s music when I was growing up in the 80s, but at least that was like sort of maybe vaguely like some of those bands were not geriatric and they were.

01:42:05.000 Still, sort of going concerns.

01:42:07.000 I mean, this is ancient history, right?

01:42:09.000 And these kids are still listening to that because there's nothing being produced by the current culture that has that level of spark.

01:42:16.000 And so, I do think that that is kind of interesting.

01:42:18.000 And the level at which, um, that this is doing at the box office is interesting for that reason.

01:42:23.000 Yeah, I think they brought the racial angle, and it's important that you know he had a whole song, it doesn't matter if you're black or white, and he literally became white.

01:42:29.000 And it's also should be noted that that's when they began criminally investigating him.

01:42:33.000 They're like, we can't allow people to know to see a white man dance this good and to sing this well, and that, but he.

01:42:40.000 You know, that's why they try to bring him down.

01:42:41.000 I think that's the real truth.

01:42:43.000 I thought I was born in '79, so I got the Michael action in the '80s.

01:42:47.000 I had the vest with the rugs on it, the one glove, and I was like seven, you know, but I never thought of him as black.

01:42:53.000 It didn't ever.

01:42:54.000 I always just thought of him as the awesomest guy.

01:42:57.000 And it didn't matter if you're black or white.

01:43:00.000 And that's the testament to the music, the power of the hot action thriller.

01:43:04.000 You had the orange vest then?

01:43:06.000 I couldn't get an orange one.

01:43:07.000 I just had like a brown one.

01:43:08.000 The orange one was like zippers and stuff.

01:43:11.000 But I think I'll jack.

01:43:12.000 Jeremy, you hit on something really important here.

01:43:14.000 It actually is really serious relating to this.

01:43:16.000 It's like, yeah, this idea that we can't produce like superstars anymore.

01:43:19.000 Like, There's probably multiple angles you could take on why that is the case, but this whole idea that we had this kind of American monoculture, right?

01:43:25.000 There were these cultural touchstones that everyone in the United States could like break bread over, have a common understanding.

01:43:30.000 This happened in Britain.

01:43:31.000 Like, I remember they released that Robbie Williams documentary where he was like a monkey and they released it in the US, and everyone in Britain was like, that's weird that he's a monkey.

01:43:36.000 And everyone in the US is like, who's Robbie Williams?

01:43:38.000 But he's like a star that would have been ubiquitous.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, nobody knew what that movie was about here.

01:43:41.000 But like now, neither Britain nor America nor anyone can produce like ubiquitous superstars anymore.

01:43:46.000 I think the last one was Bieber, Justin Bieber, because he actually rode on the back of his own talent.

01:43:51.000 Like, he was a, A superstar drummer at the age of two, like a savant musician, and still is to this day.

01:43:56.000 But he also arose during the age of the internet coagulation where everybody got bombarded by foreign cultures and electronic this or that.

01:44:04.000 So it kind of got diffused in about 2011.

01:44:06.000 Bieber kind of faded into the groups of all these other rising names and things.

01:44:11.000 But in the 80s, Bieber would have been the king of pop.

01:44:14.000 Like he would have been this guy.

01:44:15.000 Well, it was also cross generational, right?

01:44:17.000 And I remember, again, you know, maybe as a 12 year old or whatever, you know, thriller is the number one out as the best selling album of all time.

01:44:25.000 And he had been, Michael Jackson had been a huge fan of kind of traditional American musicals and dancers like Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly and all these guys from the classic movies.

01:44:37.000 Right.

01:44:37.000 Fossey.

01:44:38.000 Bob Fossey, with whom he took some of his moves, right?

01:44:40.000 Like there was actually something on that on the internet recently, sort of showing that.

01:44:46.000 But I remember, you know, seeing Fred Astaire, right?

01:44:48.000 Like this old guy at this point being interviewed.

01:44:51.000 And he was talking about, wow, you know, Michael Jackson's a really great dancer.

01:44:54.000 He's an incredible performer, right?

01:44:55.000 Like it was a very kind of culturally unifying thing.

01:44:59.000 Cross racially, cross generationally, et cetera, in a way that you could just never imagine a pop product doing today.

01:45:05.000 It was a real, true underdog story because he was the youngest kid of the family of the Jackson Five.

01:45:10.000 His dad beat the hell out of him, which wasn't really public till later.

01:45:13.000 I don't know if it came out till later, but then you saw him rise from like this brilliant youth to this mega star driving alpha male.

01:45:22.000 And I haven't seen anything like that.

01:45:24.000 But could he emerge today?

01:45:26.000 Because if he has, I mean, he's so odd and he has all these weird relationships with children. 0.64

01:45:31.000 I can't imagine he would survive the kind of cancel culture or the Twitter culture that he would be in an Epstein class guy. 0.69

01:45:38.000 Well, I think the reason they can't emerge is that you have infinite entertainment options. 0.90

01:45:42.000 It could only emerge in that time of limited entertainment options.

01:45:45.000 He also benefited from MTV, which now you're not just listening to music on the radio, you're engaged with the visual aspects of it.

01:45:52.000 So it's now just not the beat or the melody.

01:45:54.000 You're also seeing him dance as a zombie and with a distinctive leather jacket.

01:45:58.000 And that's making him even more of a pop ultra.

01:46:01.000 Pop cultural icon is there's now that movie and visual element that makes him even a bigger star, and everyone recognizes him and his distinctive glove and all this.

01:46:09.000 And so, you really don't have that today.

01:46:12.000 And I mean, the closest equivalent we have Taylor Swift, but you know, I made this argument on my podcast today is that her songs aren't that distinctive, and people don't instantly recognize her music or any distinctive qualities about her, except that she's like a blonde haired white woman, and she's still kind of a holdover from the 2000s, even.

01:46:30.000 Yeah, she's not, it's not that like everyone could understand.

01:46:34.000 And you make this point, it's not just for young kids because there's been pop culture phenoms like him, like Elvis and the Beatles, but that was just for kids.

01:46:42.000 But for Michael Jackson at the time, there were people who were adults, like 20s, 30s, and 40s, who really liked Michael Jackson.

01:46:49.000 That's how pop got so big, some of these pop hits, and a lot, while a lot of the 80s stuff has carried on to today, is that you have this cross generational support and interest.

01:47:00.000 Well, something about a famous artist, they didn't really exist every once in a while before radio, like before you had the ability to control the production output.

01:47:10.000 And then, so you had it from like 1911, you started seeing famous people with like country music in the 1920s.

01:47:16.000 Then, of course, radio, TV, the Beatles, Elvis.

01:47:20.000 But then the internet came and you no longer have control of the output.

01:47:24.000 So the ability to create a famous rock star is like diminished again.

01:47:28.000 Like in the 1820s, you had Beethoven, but I don't know what his music sounded like.

01:47:31.000 I never heard him play.

01:47:32.000 So I don't even know how good he was.

01:47:33.000 I just saw that he wrote good stuff.

01:47:36.000 I think we're going back to the age of like artists are going to play a song for a meal at night. 0.96

01:47:40.000 Like that's, you know, the bard would go to the tavern and be like, can I have a place to stay? 0.90

01:47:44.000 I'll entertain you. 1.00

01:47:46.000 I like that vision.

01:47:47.000 Of the future.

01:47:48.000 It feels very cheap to make a lot of money being an actor.

01:47:50.000 It feels like I'm way overpaid.

01:47:52.000 But we do have to move on to our Discord questions or community submitted questions.

01:47:56.000 That was a fascinating.

01:47:57.000 Highly respected should have been the Rush Limbaugh.

01:47:59.000 You know, you're just 10 years too late.

01:48:01.000 That's what it was.

01:48:02.000 Absolutely.

01:48:03.000 With that, we got to get on to the audience questions here.

01:48:06.000 This is from Pituro Dak Tato.

01:48:11.000 Prompted by last night's discussion about social credit scores, is it likely if/slash/when we get social credit scores in the United States?

01:48:17.000 The actions or public opinions that will get you awarded good boy points will flip flop as the parties flip flop every four to eight years.

01:48:24.000 Well, you have it with credit.

01:48:26.000 That's just like, do you use our banking system?

01:48:28.000 If so, we will reward you with a better credit score, but we don't have the social one yet. 0.99

01:48:32.000 I mean, your followers online, you sort of have the preempt of it with like, we're going to shadow ban your channel if you say the word fuck. 0.98

01:48:40.000 Sorry, they get annoyed when I say that once a show. 1.00

01:48:42.000 But I'm just trying to buffer against this stupid New World bullshit. 0.99

01:48:47.000 Pardon me. 1.00

01:48:48.000 Yeah, I think.

01:48:49.000 What do you guys think?

01:48:52.000 I will stand on this hill until I go about maintaining freedom of speech and your right to free assembly and economics. 0.77

01:49:00.000 I don't think it'll flip because I think it's, you know, the Republicans are just too cowardly to impose their own social standards.

01:49:07.000 I don't have any cultural confidence.

01:49:08.000 Now, I mean, I'm a free speech guy like you, right?

01:49:11.000 Like, I wouldn't support anybody putting in that sort of social credit system.

01:49:15.000 But if we do have a social credit system in a formal way, those rules are basically going to be set by the left.

01:49:21.000 And the best that we can hope for is under the right, it'll peel back a little bit, and maybe you won't be able to say something about transgenderism in a certain way, right? 0.61

01:49:30.000 Like it'll be minimal, but it'll just ratchet ever to the left. 0.90

01:49:33.000 Well, it is definitely peeled back a lot from the peak woke era of the 2010s and early 2020s.

01:49:39.000 I mean, you know, you had to worry about in 2019 if you were like pro Trump, if you're going to be completely yanked from like social media platforms.

01:49:46.000 And we had all these people who were like completely canceled, like someone like Stefan Molyneux, who, you know, just the fact that he was taken off Twitter and YouTube, that he was completely, you know, Blacklisted.

01:49:57.000 I think that's a bit harder to do.

01:49:59.000 And more of the country is more culturally libertarian than it was at that time.

01:50:04.000 We still have a lot of aspects of woke.

01:50:06.000 I mean, we can see that, but there's less appetite for cancel culture.

01:50:10.000 And even some of the left has moved back from it.

01:50:13.000 And even some of the media environment that made that possible, where at the time people actually cared about what HuffPost and these lefty demos said.

01:50:20.000 Now they're all being laid off, and those sites are probably going to turn to AI just to write bland stuff.

01:50:27.000 So I don't think we're moving.

01:50:30.000 Social credit score is a terrifying aspect, but I think thankfully, one of the white pills that we're seeing is that we're moving that as a country is socially and culturally moving back from it.

01:50:39.000 If you look at what's on popular and X today, it's uh completely insane for what was tolerated in 2019.

01:50:45.000 Like, what will get like 200,000 likes is something that would have gotten you banned and your bank account, yeah, literally taken away from you.

01:50:51.000 Now it's like people competing to have that type of content.

01:50:55.000 You know, we even referenced someone like Chud the Builder, like, that would have never happened, yeah.

01:51:00.000 A few years ago, they're promising that uh, Stefan is back on YouTube now, too.

01:51:04.000 So, if that says anything, oh, yeah, he's back and he's back, he's getting a lot of engagement on Twitter.

01:51:09.000 So, we have these people coming back.

01:51:10.000 So, even you're having extremes that you know we might not approve of that are there, but that's good for free speech culture.

01:51:18.000 That and that pushes back against the idea that again, the ratchet is just going one way.

01:51:22.000 And I mean, again, as somebody who's a free speech person, you know, I don't, I would not want to impose speech restrictions on people on the left, but I'm just pointing out that that.

01:51:31.000 That's not on the table, right?

01:51:32.000 Like, oh, absolutely.

01:51:34.000 And when Trump leaves office, if a Democrat takes power, I could easily see a lot of this ratchet, maybe not cranking back to peak woke, but still cracking back to the point that a bunch of accounts are going to get banned and whatever else.

01:51:48.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:51:49.000 Well, I think we should get to this question.

01:51:51.000 This is from Hades Pouletarian.

01:51:54.000 I'll read half of this question because the other half might get us sued here.

01:51:57.000 Question for y'all.

01:51:59.000 And he said, y'all, not me.

01:52:00.000 Question for y'all.

01:52:01.000 A fraudulent vote or not, Ohio will not survive Ramaswamy or the Dem being elected.

01:52:06.000 And then he effectively says, How do we get Trump to intervene in this situation?

01:52:10.000 Why do people not like Vivek in Ohio?

01:52:13.000 I've met him a few times.

01:52:15.000 I've enjoyed his presence.

01:52:16.000 I like that he's forward thinking.

01:52:17.000 But what do you guys think and your takes on it?

01:52:19.000 A lot of it's owing to an infamous tweet he sent out where he implied that immigrants are way better workers and smarter students than Americans.

01:52:29.000 And that's a lot of the internet's reputation for it.

01:52:32.000 There's been these firsthand accounts of people bringing that story up to.

01:52:37.000 Boomers in Ohio, and they're like, I agree with that fully.

01:52:40.000 We need the hardest workers here.

01:52:42.000 They're like, uh oh.

01:52:43.000 So they're kind of confronted with the ordinary American is like, these good for nothing kids need to work harder.

01:52:49.000 So it's not as unappealing.

01:52:51.000 Unfortunately, it's not as unappealing to voters, but it's also that there's been this backlash towards Indians because, for I mean, we're seeing people are now interacting with them more. 0.99

01:53:01.000 We're having more of these incidents of them being, you know, H 1Bs taking jobs away, and also that certain communities, such as in Texas, where they didn't exist, 10 years ago, where they weren't there and now they're flooding the community and changing it in drastic ways, there's been more of a backlash. 1.00

01:53:17.000 And Vivek represents that, yeah. 0.99

01:53:19.000 So, uh, but with that, I don't think either one will destroy the state.

01:53:24.000 I think, uh, for all of Vivek's faults, he'd probably be better than acting.

01:53:28.000 I know that's controversial to say.

01:53:30.000 We don't want him to move any further up higher.

01:53:33.000 We certainly don't want him president, you know, we don't want him to move up higher than that.

01:53:38.000 But you know, the state, he can't be any worse than DeWine.

01:53:41.000 DeWine is a You know, a real rhino, moderate, you know, practically a liberal in a lot of his policies.

01:53:48.000 I think Vivek, which is showing how bad a lot of these moderate Republicans are, would probably be a little bit better.

01:53:54.000 But, um, the I mean, for however bad Vivek is, Ohio will be fine.

01:54:02.000 You just don't want him moving any higher up in our political system.

01:54:05.000 You don't want him president, you don't want him running for president.

01:54:08.000 I think also Vivek, uh, part of the criticism of him, in addition to those things which Scott just said that are true.

01:54:15.000 He's the hyper creedal American that we were talking about before.

01:54:18.000 And that also goes back to his sort of doing a lot of hand waving about Hinduism is Christianity.

01:54:26.000 I'm oversimplifying his position, but there's some of this where people have been quite critical.

01:54:32.000 And I think with good reason to say, you know, actually, no, we're not just all in kumbaya here.

01:54:38.000 You're different in some fundamental ways in terms of your religious belief and that sort of thing can actually be valid and matter.

01:54:45.000 Not that it's like a single issue, at least for me, it wouldn't be to vote against somebody, but it's sort of an accretion of things of feeling like Vivek does not totally get where the base is on this.

01:54:59.000 And ironically, I think one of the best critics of his has been Nikki Haley's son, Nayland Haley, who's also half Indian, who has made all of these critiques in, I think, just a very commonsensical way that sort of resonates, particularly with younger conservatives.

01:55:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the interesting thing about Vivek is like it's kind of the situation in.

01:55:19.000 It's not a purely on right online thing, like the opposition to Vivek, but it's definitely something where you need to be quite familiar with a lot of the understandings of the online rights, sort of criticisms of our immigration system to fully understand why people perceive Vivek as such a threat.

01:55:34.000 Because to your point, Scott, I mean, I think the mostly electorate in Ohio is just like, yeah, he's right. 0.97

01:55:38.000 These young people don't work. 0.91

01:55:39.000 And then beyond that, I don't think people have sort of this deep understanding of the American nation as much. 0.75

01:55:46.000 Certainly everyone at this table and online and et cetera would sort of understand what we're saying.

01:55:50.000 But I think the average voter in Ohio, Probably don't.

01:55:53.000 Yeah, when you say the creedal stuff, they're like, that's patriotic.

01:55:56.000 You know, they're about to salute you and have like the national anthem playing, which we are educating people more about like the dangers of creedalism because for a lot of even conservatives, like, hell yeah, that's, I agree with that.

01:56:07.000 But then we're like, say, well, people use those arguments to argue for infinite immigration and then to argue for a lot of other bad stuff.

01:56:15.000 Then they might be like, oh, but they don't instinctually get that.

01:56:18.000 So that was the fear that I pointed.

01:56:20.000 And I, you know, I had some people, most people I'd say agreed.

01:56:22.000 My take on Twitter where my fear of Vivek, I think.

01:56:25.000 Be whatever as governor of Ohio.

01:56:26.000 I don't think necessarily the threat is him destroying Ohio.

01:56:28.000 I do think the problem is he will be increasingly viewed as a national figure, and there might even be conversations about him getting a presidential or VP slot in the next 10 years.

01:56:37.000 And to me, that's what I see as the threat more so than like I don't think Ohio is pretty contained.

01:56:42.000 They have a blood red house.

01:56:44.000 The lieutenant governor seems fine.

01:56:45.000 I don't think the issue is imminent. 0.82

01:56:46.000 He has a major handicap, even to run as a Republican, because he's run as a Hindu, which, even for however much more Republicans might progress on issues, they do want. 0.97

01:56:56.000 Like a Christian, as there was a chunk of the electorate that wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney because he was Mormon. 0.97

01:57:01.000 Yeah, because he's Mormon. 0.83

01:57:02.000 I think when it comes to Hinduism, and that's so outside of the Abrahamic tradition, and when people are going to be really, a lot of our voters are just not going to vote for that.

01:57:11.000 And also, they can't pronounce his name.

01:57:13.000 Those are like the two things, I think, which might sound, some people might sound like crude or like, well, that's not real reasons.

01:57:20.000 But if our voters have trouble pronouncing his name, and then when they find out his religion, and even though he might say, oh, it has a lot of similarities, but Yeah.

01:57:28.000 But I do think it's all reinforcing, right?

01:57:31.000 It's if it were just the religion, I mean, that would be look, I mean, I'm, you know, a member of a conservative church.

01:57:36.000 Like, I get the importance of these things.

01:57:39.000 But I don't think if it were just the religion, that would be the deal breaker.

01:57:42.000 It's the religion reinforces all of this other stuff that says kind of not from around here in terms of like under grokking the cultural identity of really what it means to be American in some core sense.

01:57:56.000 And I'm not like the, you know, the fanatical V. V. Cater, but I, you know, definitely would not want to see him.

01:58:02.000 Rise any higher than he's done.

01:58:04.000 And I wish we'd had better options on the table in Ohio.

01:58:07.000 I'll try to get to one more question here before we wind the show down.

01:58:10.000 This is from TerrorStork91.

01:58:13.000 His question is When is the West going to realize that all this talk about feminism, Zionism, the pro immigration left, the environmentalists, they're all a death cult?

01:58:22.000 That was his statement.

01:58:24.000 Do you think it's accurate?

01:58:25.000 I mean, that's kind of the concept of leftism broadly that it is viewed as a death cult.

01:58:30.000 You know, some people have levied criticisms that it might not quite be that serious, but I don't know.

01:58:34.000 That's kind of the popular take among conservative media right now is that there's no olive branch or there's no common, you know, there's no way to break bread with sort of an institution like the left broadly.

01:58:44.000 I think you got, I tend to look at it as not depopulation, but a cult that maybe is looking more to slow the growth rather than kill off a large segment of.

01:58:54.000 If you think of it as that, it's a lot more understandable.

01:58:58.000 And I'm not saying that all those things you mentioned are part of that, but like what Bill Gates says, we need less people, or whatever he said, he's not saying we need to kill off 30% of the population.

01:59:06.000 He's saying we need to grow slower or we're going to eat ourselves to death.

01:59:10.000 Maybe that's one way to look at it, but I don't even know if that answers the exact question.

01:59:14.000 On the environmentalism thing, it kind of is a death cult, some aspects of it, because.

01:59:18.000 They think that we're going to all die in the next 10, 20, 30 years' time, or whatever they say, because the climate is changing and we're all going to be killed.

01:59:27.000 And that's a kind of death cult thing.

01:59:28.000 And then also, on the far left sort of Antifa terrorism angle, they do promote violence, they do promote death towards their political opponents. 0.99

01:59:38.000 I was up in Portland last year, and there's all these people spraying stuff like kill Trump, kill fascists, kill Nazis, Nazis should be murdered, whatever. 0.98

01:59:48.000 And this stuff does fuel violence against conservatives. 0.99

01:59:52.000 I mean, obviously, we saw recently, relatively recently, another assassination attempt against Trump. 0.89

01:59:57.000 So there is a kind of death culty, I think, atmosphere amongst the kind of fringes of the far left that see their opponents as worthy of being killed or because they're Nazis, because they're fascists. 0.88

02:00:09.000 They take their politics dead seriously.

02:00:10.000 That's there's a type of dire aspect to it.

02:00:13.000 It's like if we don't do this, like the world is going to implode over the next five years, which we see with environmentalists.

02:00:20.000 And it's even that people are trying to commit.

02:00:22.000 Who are trying to kill Trump?

02:00:23.000 These people have very established in politics.

02:00:25.000 They have the exact same politics as Rachel Maddow and everybody on MSN Now.

02:00:29.000 I was about to say MSNBC, but it's MSN Now now.

02:00:33.000 So, exact same politics as those.

02:00:36.000 These are very moderate people, but then they take it seriously.

02:00:38.000 And so, if the moderate liberals are telling them, this is a dangerous fascist who's going to kill our democracy, then they're like, well, I've got to take action here.

02:00:46.000 And that's the same with a lot of liberals, which maybe this is pro or con for conservatives, but conservatives are more able to rationally consider.

02:00:55.000 Political viewpoints.

02:00:57.000 We're more open to discussion.

02:00:58.000 Sometimes people are like, hmm, that's an interesting idea.

02:01:01.000 But we're not, well, some ways as conservatives are just having better lives, maybe that they're focused on their lives, that they don't have as such a dire aspect to it, even if we do raise it.

02:01:11.000 But there's not quite as many people are going to go out and commit action for like what Sean Hannity is saying.

02:01:17.000 It's not like if the liberals are going to raise your taxes, they're like, I've got to take action.

02:01:20.000 Very few people think that.

02:01:21.000 But a lot of liberals think, you know, if they allow Trump to stay as president, That democracy is going to be over, America is going to be over, the world's going to be over.

02:01:30.000 And on the abortion, is a huge part of that, I think, for women in America.

02:01:34.000 That they think that you're attacking their reproductive rights and that you personally are going to cause some issue for them. 0.80

02:01:40.000 You're going to force them to get some kind of illegal abortion or whatever.

02:01:45.000 Or all they say on the immigration issue, they're putting people in camps.

02:01:48.000 So they see a kind of existential threat to them and they literally think their lives are in danger because of Donald Trump.

02:01:55.000 I was speaking to some Antifa people in Portland who were saying this to me literally, Trump is Hitler.

02:02:00.000 And he is going to lock me up or cause some kind of genocide or whatever.

02:02:04.000 So they see it's very personalized to them and they think their lives are in danger. 0.62

02:02:10.000 Well, it'll be in big trouble if the boomers begin to think property taxes pose an existential danger to them.

02:02:16.000 The book I'm working on right now is basically, I mean, it doesn't quite use those terms, but basically does argue that the white left is effectively a death cult and we need to do something about it.

02:02:25.000 It's not a polemical book, so I'm sort of reluctant to describe it in those terms, but it is to say, like, these guys are a profound problem and we need to do something about sort of fixing that.

02:02:37.000 That's not meant to be ominous.

02:02:39.000 That's hopefully my persuasion to have better ideas.

02:02:42.000 Yeah, the kind of reformed micro.

02:02:44.000 Perception of what it means as a death cult.

02:02:46.000 Not necessarily that you want to destroy or kill large swaths, but that if this doesn't happen, we will all die is also a form of a death cult.

02:02:52.000 So now I understand.

02:02:54.000 For sure.

02:02:55.000 Well, with that, we're running out of time here.

02:02:55.000 Yeah.

02:02:56.000 I wish we had hours more, but it is what it is.

02:02:58.000 We have the two hour time slot.

02:02:59.000 So with that, we got to wind this show down.

02:03:02.000 Jeremy, where can people find you for more?

02:03:04.000 So I'm on X at Real Jeremy Carl.

02:03:06.000 I have a Substack, The Course of Empire. 0.64

02:03:08.000 And my book, which I referred to a little bit on the show, is The Unprotected Class How Anti White Racism is Tearing America Apart.

02:03:15.000 And the audience was interested in anything I said.

02:03:18.000 Feel free to check that book out as well.

02:03:20.000 Well, thank you very much for coming on.

02:03:21.000 It's always a pleasure.

02:03:22.000 Thanks so much for having me.

02:03:23.000 Till next time, Scott.

02:03:25.000 I am on X at Scott M. Greer.

02:03:27.000 I'm also on Substack at highly respected.com.

02:03:32.000 Also, if you want to pre order my book, White Pill, The Online Right in the Making of Trump's America, go to passage.press to find it or at amazon.com.

02:03:40.000 Stephen.

02:03:40.000 Awesome.

02:03:41.000 Yeah, you can find me on X at Stephen Edgington and same on Substack, Stephen Edgington.

02:03:45.000 And where can people find that documentary?

02:03:47.000 On the GB News YouTube channel.

02:03:49.000 You search for it.

02:03:50.000 I think it's called Indian Networks Exposed.

02:03:52.000 It's one of the best documentaries in a while.

02:03:54.000 Everyone's got to go check it out.

02:03:55.000 Ian?

02:03:55.000 At Ian Crossland, you'll find me on the internet.

02:03:57.000 Go to graphene.movie, check out.

02:03:58.000 We'll sign up to get notified for this new documentary I'm building where we went out to Rice University and interviewed a bunch of awesome nanotech scientists about upcoming white pilling technology, including graphene, some other badass stuff.

02:04:10.000 Check it out at Ian Crossland.

02:04:11.000 Find me there.

02:04:12.000 Yeah, it's going to be a sick documentary.

02:04:14.000 I'm making some music for it, and I'm excited for the doc.

02:04:18.000 It's been a great conversation, everyone.

02:04:20.000 Thank you for coming.

02:04:21.000 And you can find me at Carter Banks everywhere, at Carter Banks Official everywhere else.

02:04:25.000 And that will be.

02:04:27.000 Yeah.

02:04:27.000 That'll be it.

02:04:28.000 You can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown.

02:04:30.000 Could give me a follow.

02:04:31.000 We'll be back here on Monday.

02:04:33.000 Our valiant leader should return by Monday.

02:04:35.000 So it's going to be a great show.

02:04:36.000 Enjoy your weekend, everyone.

02:04:37.000 Thank you for watching.

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