Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - GOP Redistricting BLOCKED, Republicans DEFECT & Align With Democrats | Timcast IRL

00:01:52.000 Republicans have won the redistricting war quite decisively, but not without some hangups.

00:01:58.000 Lots of court action going on throughout the country.

00:02:01.000 The Democrats are not going down without a fight.

00:02:03.000 So, we're going to get into all of that.

00:02:04.000 There's quite a few stories on the redistricting front.

00:02:07.000 I'm sure you guys are all sick and tired of hearing about it, but this is potentially, we're talking about decades of Republican dominance in this country, despite the demographics not quite going their way.

00:02:16.000 So, we're going to get into all of that.

00:02:18.000 A lot of big stories on that front.

00:02:20.000 We also have ICE cracking down big time on one of the most egregious.

00:02:24.000 Visa scamming mills, I think we've ever seen in this country.

00:02:27.000 Absolutely unbelievable stuff going on, specifically around student visas.

00:02:30.000 You might think that that's innocent.

00:02:32.000 We're just talking about, you know, some people just trying to get their caps and gowns.

00:02:35.000 Far more nefarious things going on in the student visa universe, and ICE is cracking down hard. 0.56

00:02:40.000 We have a California mayor going down with CCP ties.

00:02:45.000 I think that's to be expected.

00:02:46.000 I don't know if you've kept tabs.

00:02:47.000 I don't know if you're really much of a politico, but the happenings in California aren't exactly the most pro American, at least not thus far.

00:02:54.000 And a mayor has gone down with CCP ties.

00:02:57.000 Quite interesting stuff happening.

00:02:58.000 We're going to get into that.

00:02:59.000 We have a few other stories we'll get to throughout the show.

00:03:02.000 But with that, we are very pleased to have you guys with us.

00:03:04.000 And I believe we have a few advertisers that we need to give a shout out to before we start the show.

00:03:08.000 But we'll get that going in some time.

00:03:11.000 Before we do, obviously, I want to give a shout out to the Discord.

00:03:14.000 Everyone hanging out in the Discord.

00:03:16.000 Very happy to have some fantastic Timcast members.

00:03:18.000 You can head over to timcast.com, check out our Discord to get involved, get involved in the action.

00:03:23.000 Some very exciting stuff.

00:03:25.000 So if you haven't clicked away yet because there's no Tim, Head on over to Discord, go hang out in there first, and then come back and hang out on the show.

00:03:31.000 It's going to be a very beautiful thing.

00:03:32.000 But yes, Tim, he's out today, unfortunately, a little under the weather.

00:03:35.000 So I'm holding it down for you guys because as you may know, Phil is on tour.

00:03:39.000 He's on a nationwide tour and barking.

00:03:40.000 I don't know where he is right now.

00:03:41.000 Does anyone know what city Phil's in right now?

00:03:43.000 It's kind of like the Santa tracker, you know?

00:03:44.000 We need like the Phil tracker.

00:03:45.000 Where is Phil?

00:03:46.000 Where's that beard?

00:03:47.000 Yeah, he's somewhere.

00:03:48.000 I think he's on the East Coast still.

00:03:49.000 So he's still in our hearts and in our minds.

00:03:51.000 But with that, we're ready to get today's show.

00:03:53.000 I have a fantastic guest today.

00:03:55.000 Mark, how are you doing?

00:03:56.000 I'm doing well.

00:03:56.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:57.000 Really, really excited to be here.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, could you give the people a quick intro of who you are and what you do?

00:04:01.000 Yeah, I'm Mark Herman.

00:04:02.000 I am the former director for Candace Owens, even more former, former director for Daily Wire, currently the host of the new podcast, Mark Explained, where I mansplain things, but I'm Mark.

00:04:12.000 Let's go.

00:04:13.000 Mark's back and mansplain.

00:04:14.000 I see what you did there.

00:04:15.000 That's really clever stuff.

00:04:16.000 I love it.

00:04:17.000 Well, thanks for coming on.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:04:18.000 We got Chris hanging out.

00:04:19.000 What's going on, man?

00:04:20.000 Happy to be back.

00:04:20.000 Yeah, happy to be back.

00:04:21.000 Thanks for having me.

00:04:22.000 I think it's our first time on any sort of Tim Cash show.

00:04:24.000 Had a lot of discussions in the room over there, so excited to get into everything.

00:04:24.000 Indeed, it is.

00:04:28.000 Awesome.

00:04:29.000 I love the Tate Takeover.

00:04:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:32.000 Because he is, you know, Tate Brown's always holding it down.

00:04:34.000 So I appreciate that.

00:04:35.000 And I look forward to Mark hanging out with Tate.

00:04:36.000 Especially tonight, he is holding it down.

00:04:38.000 True.

00:04:38.000 There's a bit of a coup happened, actually.

00:04:40.000 It's more of like a Wagner style.

00:04:41.000 Tim is healthy.

00:04:42.000 It's just that.

00:04:43.000 Yeah.

00:04:44.000 If the chat gets rowdy enough, we will present Proof of Life, but I don't think we're there yet.

00:04:48.000 So we got Ian hanging out.

00:04:49.000 I'm going to derail this every train time.

00:04:53.000 I promise you, I'm just kidding.

00:04:53.000 Please.

00:04:53.000 I'm just kidding.

00:04:55.000 I love it.

00:04:55.000 Hi, Tate.

00:04:56.000 How's it going?

00:04:57.000 Hey, good, man.

00:04:57.000 I got 100 banks hanging out, too.

00:04:59.000 I'm hanging out.

00:04:59.000 What up?

00:05:00.000 Thank you all for joining me.

00:05:01.000 And, uh, I'm excited to get into this.

00:05:03.000 Fantastic panel, some rock stars on the panel tonight.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, we got it, man.

00:05:06.000 So let's get into this first story.

00:05:07.000 I'm sure you guys are sick and tired of hearing about it.

00:05:09.000 But again, like I said, absolutely vital stuff.

00:05:11.000 This is really important stuff to pay attention to.

00:05:13.000 First, I got to say, it looks like the Republicans have decisively won the redistricting battle.

00:05:18.000 Now, as soon as we sort of kicked that bee's nest, I was pretty skeptical this was going to go a positive direction because, as we know, the Republican is the party of managing decline and then the Democrats are the party of just declining.

00:05:31.000 So I wasn't too hopeful when we.

00:05:33.000 Sort of kicked off this entire redistricting saga.

00:05:35.000 And as time went on, I felt vindicated.

00:05:37.000 I saw, you know, Indiana, various other states across the country, the GOP sat on their hands.

00:05:42.000 They came up with the reasons for why we shouldn't or can't redistrict. 0.98

00:05:45.000 It was really some pathetic stuff. 0.57

00:05:46.000 We saw the Virginia redistricting race where the Republicans put pennies behind that race and the Democrats put a war chest behind the redistricting battle. 0.98

00:05:54.000 It was really blackpilling for a while.

00:05:56.000 I was not too thrilled with the direction that things were going, but fates have turned around.

00:06:00.000 We got a decisive decision, obviously, from the Supreme Court gutting the Voting Rights Act, which sounds kosher on its face, right?

00:06:09.000 Oh, yeah, we want voters to have rights.

00:06:11.000 Well, obviously, it was used, utilized by the Democrats for quite nefarious purposes, basically consolidating as much power that they were not entitled to as possible.

00:06:20.000 So, first thing that dropped, obviously, we had some news here.

00:06:22.000 Missouri Supreme Court upholds legislators' midterm congressional redistricting map.

00:06:27.000 So, this is a good white pill here.

00:06:28.000 This is good news, obviously, is that the Supreme Court, as we've seen in Virginia at the state's level, can intervene, you know, if they feel that things are not quite passing the sniff test.

00:06:37.000 Well, Missouri, we're in the clear.

00:06:39.000 This is where people were a little more concerned, obviously, and this is what we have in the title.

00:06:43.000 And this is a bit concerning, obviously, if this were happening while we were underwater in the redistricting battle, people would have been quite outraged.

00:06:49.000 But I think everyone's taking a victory lap right now.

00:06:51.000 So, it doesn't seem to be Discussed as much.

00:06:53.000 This is concerning stuff from Yahoo News.

00:06:55.000 South Carolina Republicans tank redistricting for now.

00:06:58.000 That is the key contingent here.

00:06:59.000 The South Carolina Senate just made it harder for the state to withdraw its congressional map, resisting pressure from President Donald Trump.

00:07:05.000 Lawmakers on Tuesday failed to reach the two thirds majority needed to approve a measure that would have allowed them to take up a vote on redistricting even after the legislative session ends later this week.

00:07:14.000 And then this is the sort of egregious thing, but this is what we're kind of used to.

00:07:18.000 Five Republicans hopped across the aisle, joined all Democrats in voting against the proposal.

00:07:22.000 Henry McMaster, the governor of South Carolina, Could still call a special session through his, though his office so far has dismissed this idea.

00:07:29.000 So we have good news, bad news.

00:07:30.000 And then here is an example of something in a blue state where it appears that, again, conservatives are going on offense, which is unbelievable that I'm even saying that.

00:07:39.000 I never thought that would happen.

00:07:40.000 From Democracy Docket, a really reputable source here.

00:07:44.000 Right wing group sues Illinois and first post Clay attack on the state voting right act.

00:07:49.000 Of course, Illinois is probably one of the most egregious gerrymanders in this country.

00:07:52.000 It looks like you spilled a bowl of spaghetti.

00:07:55.000 But yes, the Republicans, by extension, the conservative movement.

00:07:58.000 Going on offense here.

00:08:00.000 Finally, we have this was from Sean Davis.

00:08:03.000 He has the copy here.

00:08:04.000 Notice has been given to all Democrats in the Tennessee House that all members of the Democrat caucus are being removed from all standing committees and subcommittees as a result of their behavior in the state House during the redistricting debates last week, which included setting fires inside of the Capitol and attacking law enforcement.

00:08:21.000 In the state of Tennessee, political terrorism will not be tolerated.

00:08:24.000 National Republicans, take note that this is how you exercise power.

00:08:28.000 So, guys, How are we feeling about this redistricting battle?

00:08:31.000 You think we're in the clear yet?

00:08:32.000 What do you think the future is looking like for the political composition of this country?

00:08:36.000 I think it's just going to get crazier and crazier.

00:08:38.000 But as a Tennessee resident myself, I love that.

00:08:41.000 I love that they're actually holding people to account because there's been issues in the past with members of the state house acting up.

00:08:48.000 I want to say them like Justin Jenkins or something close to that.

00:08:53.000 They were protesting on the floor.

00:08:55.000 Justin, yeah, I'm sorry.

00:08:56.000 And it's good to see them actually hold people to account.

00:08:59.000 But I don't know what.

00:09:01.000 What's the, I guess, what's their main issue with the redistricting?

00:09:04.000 Because they were fine, Democrats were fine when that happened in California.

00:09:08.000 If you look at California, it's just solid blue.

00:09:11.000 So they're against it when it works against them?

00:09:14.000 Yeah, of course.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, of course. 0.85

00:09:16.000 If Democrats are winning, then they love it.

00:09:19.000 If they lose the Supreme Court ruling, which would take, I wouldn't say they gutted the ruling, Voting Rights Act, they didn't gut it.

00:09:27.000 They just upheld a lot by the California.

00:09:29.000 Sure, yeah.

00:09:30.000 Yeah.

00:09:31.000 When Democrats can't break the law or do what they want to do illegally or kind of twist things up, they get upset when, like, actually the rule law is held to the ground and what it's supposed to be.

00:09:41.000 Yeah, I think it would be.

00:09:42.000 I agree because actually, what they did was they kept all the bones of the VRA intact.

00:09:46.000 I think gutting that language I use is specifically regarding the current Democrat interpretation of the VRA, which is effectively just look, I'll just cut the chase here.

00:09:54.000 It's effectively a black supremacist interpretation where they're just saying, no, we're entitled to districts because of our race.

00:09:59.000 It is absolutely absurd.

00:10:01.000 And the Supreme Court obviously came down on the right side of that decision.

00:10:03.000 Regarding, yeah, Tennessee, I mean, I'm a Tennessee native.

00:10:05.000 I don't know if how many people in the audience can relate to that.

00:10:08.000 And I'm from Memphis.

00:10:09.000 So this is something that I'm quite familiar with.

00:10:12.000 And Justin Pearson, you brought him up.

00:10:13.000 I mean, this is this guy who literally, if you look at videos like 10 years ago, he was like a just basic normie, like a theater kid in his university.

00:10:22.000 And he was like, hello, I'm Justin Pearson, and I'm looking to work across the aisle, and I'm looking for bipartisanship connection.

00:10:28.000 Flash forward 10 years, he's doing this like basically minstrel show on the floor of the Tennessee Congress.

00:10:33.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:10:34.000 He's got his big afro that he's like, and then he's like LARPing like he's like a reverend.

00:10:39.000 I mean, it is really egregious, unbelievable stuff.

00:10:42.000 And to your point, or to the point of both of you guys, I mean, Yeah, of course, the Democrats here feel especially threatened because, again, they're losing a beachhead and what is becoming the center of the United States, which is the South.

00:10:55.000 And the reason that's important, the reason why they're specifically so concerned about what's happening in these Southern states is because, again, if you look at what the next census is going to look like, again, the way that the direction of the country is going, the South is going to be dominating the political spectrum.

00:11:12.000 I mean, they're going to be dominating the presidential elections.

00:11:15.000 That's where a lot of these electoral votes are heading towards in the next census.

00:11:18.000 And so the Democrats understand that if, again, the entire South becomes ruby red, they're in serious trouble for the next few decades as far as winning goes.

00:11:26.000 I mean, they're in serious trouble.

00:11:28.000 Kind of aligns with all these people leaving the Democratic Party over the last eight years since the mask came off of the machine.

00:11:36.000 And I think you're just kind of seeing a sorting realignment throughout the electorate now.

00:11:43.000 It is, I mean, like you were saying, Mark, it looks like escalation.

00:11:46.000 Like it's, I just mean, escalation towards more of it.

00:11:48.000 And like, I've been like, okay, the United States is transitioning to a technocracy, a global technocracy led by American military, economic, whatever.

00:11:56.000 This is like the most stark indication of that.

00:12:02.000 This is such a transition of American governance.

00:12:07.000 I've never seen anything like it in my life.

00:12:09.000 The way that the electorate's going to change in six months is so drastic.

00:12:15.000 But I mean, I think we need drastic change.

00:12:18.000 Yeah.

00:12:19.000 Well, I think what's interesting is, you know, this was the fear for the longest time with various.

00:12:23.000 Republican strategists is just because of the nature of the changing demographics of the United States.

00:12:27.000 It was thought that the Republicans would be increasingly politically unviable because, again, we've seen the non white percentage of the country grow, I mean, exponentially over the last 60 to 70 years. 0.57

00:12:37.000 What is the primary voting group that will turn out the ballot, you know, and check an R on the ballot? 0.99

00:12:42.000 It is white voters.

00:12:43.000 So, again, as white voters, their share of the electorate shrunk.

00:12:47.000 That was kind of the common thinking is that the Republican Party would shrink along with it.

00:12:51.000 So, that's what makes this so dramatic is we've seen two things happening.

00:12:54.000 One in the last presidential election, we're seeing the Democrats lose their monopoly on non white voters.

00:12:59.000 We saw especially Hispanics surge in support for the Republican Party.

00:13:03.000 And there's a lot of reasons for that that we could get into if we want.

00:13:06.000 I think it was primarily Trump's Cinco de Mayo tweet 10 years ago.

00:13:10.000 Very on brand.

00:13:11.000 His Mexican food had a wall around it and everything.

00:13:13.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.99

00:13:15.000 And something that we can get into, and I don't know if this is a little too controversial for anyone to discuss, but I think it's true, is there's this idea that with the Obama Rainbow Coalition, that all non white voters were this one giant monolith. 0.95

00:13:26.000 But I think we learned during 2020 that maybe Hispanic Americans, Black Americans don't quite see eye to eye on everything. 0.88

00:13:33.000 I think that's fair to say. 0.98

00:13:34.000 And we've seen Hispanic voters react in 2020.

00:13:37.000 Again, the Democrats sort of, you know, their entire culture that they have kind of developed was very black centric.

00:13:42.000 And I think Hispanic voters did react to that. 0.86

00:13:44.000 I think that's fair to say. 0.75

00:13:45.000 And again, Trump was just presenting a non racial, pro American policy.

00:13:49.000 And they said, well, that's why we came to this country in the first place, because we wanted to participate in America, not a specific ethnic grievance based, you know, culture or zeitgeist.

00:13:57.000 They just want to be in America.

00:13:58.000 And so, again, I think that's why Trump was able to resonate with them and, again, kind of break up that Democrat power block.

00:14:04.000 And then the second part of that initial point that I was making is, again, just the shifts that we're seeing and redistricting and these sorts of things.

00:14:10.000 Again, it's shifting the ball back to the Republicans' court.

00:14:13.000 The immigration, you know, mass immigration, 20 million people pissed off so many, and just not even like black people or Mexican people or whatever, Southerners, like people or people that, like minorities that were then displaced by immigrants.

00:14:27.000 And they're like, what are you doing? 0.99

00:14:30.000 People, yeah, I agree with you.

00:14:32.000 The black vote for Trump was like, and I'm not much of a monolithic, you know, regarder either, but it was notable.

00:14:39.000 It was notable.

00:14:40.000 Yeah, real Americans, they care. 0.56

00:14:43.000 People who consider themselves Americans care about these illegals coming and jumping in front of the line. 0.81

00:14:48.000 Real immigrants, legal immigrants, are real pissed too because they had to go through, spend all this money, do all this paperwork, and all these people get to jump through the front of the line and they get their hotels and houses, Section A, whatever else they get paid, welfare checks, and just regular everyday Americans are not liking this illegal bullish. 0.83

00:15:05.000 Yeah, and I think the general perception of how immigrants will view America and view the Republican Party will change in this Trump 2 paradigm because, again, It's much tougher to immigrate to this country now under President Trump's second term. 0.95

00:15:19.000 And so the people that come here, you're basically guaranteeing that these people want to be here.

00:15:24.000 Where I think maybe since in the post-Heart Seller America, the majority, maybe not the majority, I think it's fair to say the majority of immigrants that were coming here were coming here because of potential economic prosperity, right? 0.93

00:15:35.000 There was a huge departure in the way that immigrants decided to come to America. 0.87

00:15:39.000 Before Heart Seller, it was more of a lifestyle adjustment.

00:15:41.000 They were seeking freedom, they were seeking liberty, they wanted to buy into the American project. 0.80

00:15:45.000 Post-Heart Seller, A lot of the immigrants that were coming here, I would argue the majority of immigrants that were coming here, were coming here primarily for economic prosperity, which again, can you blame them?

00:15:53.000 Not really.

00:15:54.000 But the problem is, we're not running a charity here, we're running a country.

00:15:57.000 What is Hard Seller?

00:15:58.000 Hard Seller was the 1965 Immigration Act, which basically changed the entirety of how we conducted immigration.

00:16:05.000 So prior to the Hard Seller Act, credence was given to immigrants from countries that would be perceived to be more culturally assimilable into the United States.

00:16:12.000 Post Hard Seller Act, it basically removed any pretense, gave the Americans zero discretion over who should come from where, and effectively viewed The entire global population as a blank slate that could be rewritten with American values, which I would argue has failed quite extensively.

00:16:25.000 And it makes zero sense.

00:16:27.000 It makes zero sense.

00:16:28.000 Sorry, cut you off. 1.00

00:16:29.000 You can't take someone who is nothing like American. 1.00

00:16:32.000 I don't want to. 0.99

00:16:33.000 Certain countries say, okay, you live in a South Asian nation and they're used to throwing your trash out on the street every day. 0.93

00:16:40.000 And that's how you get rid of it. 0.99

00:16:42.000 You can't come to America and think that's going to be culturally relevant or you can't assimilate.

00:16:46.000 That's heart cellar. 0.83

00:16:48.000 We need people for heart cellar.

00:16:50.000 You could, like, If you have a different culture and a different religion, that's a hard seller right there.

00:16:56.000 If we're talking about selling, like, but hard seller, hard seller. 0.98

00:16:58.000 If you have a Christian that's like an Indian Christian or a Pakistani Christian, that's, you know, a lot easier. 0.93

00:17:05.000 Or like an American Muslim, that's a lot easier. 0.90

00:17:08.000 But it's a little tricky because I'll push back a little bit because I do think a British atheist, like a Carl Benjamin, is going to assimilate much easier into the United States than a Christian Haitian.

00:17:17.000 I mean, Haiti is majority Christian and they've had a very difficult time assimilating the United States because I'm saying this as a Christian, as someone that. 0.59

00:17:24.000 Is chauvinistically Christian, I will acknowledge that there has to be a little bit more to their ability to assimilate into the United States than just sharing a vague Christian worldview.

00:17:36.000 Would you consider like British people and American people of the same culture?

00:17:40.000 Broadly, I would say that Oran McIntyre made this point on Tucker Carlson's show, actually, where he was sort of walking through, he was doing a retrospective on sort of the founding of America, what was a certain spirit around the foundation of the United States.

00:17:52.000 And he argued, and I think this is correct, that again, fundamentally, the American identity at the time of the founding was sort of an Anglo Protestant identity, as in these were descendants from the Puritans, these were descendants from the Cavaliers that settled the South, even the Scots Irish were kind of bought in on this idea.

00:18:07.000 So he was basically making the contention that.

00:18:09.000 If you're not in that group, that doesn't mean you have zero stake in the country or you're not an American or anything. 0.97

00:18:13.000 That's ridiculous.

00:18:14.000 What he was saying was the closer you get to that identity, the closer you are to sort of that core American understanding of sort of what it means to be an American that you would sort of see from the founders.

00:18:23.000 I mean, the overwhelming majority of the founders were, again, of British stock.

00:18:26.000 Again, they were Protestants.

00:18:28.000 Again, this isn't to say you can't be.

00:18:29.000 I don't think anyone's making that contention.

00:18:31.000 It's just saying if the people are coming to this country, what are they going to assimilate to?

00:18:34.000 Well, that identity looks a lot like that Anglo Protestant identity, even if you're not an Anglo, even if you're not a Protestant.

00:18:41.000 Fair enough, but that's still kind of shocking to me because I've always thought that like the British and the Americans are like different species, not even the same culture.

00:18:47.000 Yeah.

00:18:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:48.000 Yeah.

00:18:48.000 Like it's a different culture, but it's a similar culture.

00:18:51.000 It's a perverse culture.

00:18:51.000 I guess if you.

00:18:54.000 Who would you argue would be more similar culturally to Americans than the British or Canada?

00:18:58.000 The Irish, but maybe I'm predisposed to having that perspective.

00:19:01.000 It could be.

00:19:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:03.000 Well, I mean, I think the Irish, we're really getting in the weeds here.

00:19:06.000 I think there's kind of a broader, like maybe Anglosphere sort of common identity where I think Australians, Canadians, Irish, British, I think these people can all come here.

00:19:15.000 And it doesn't feel too exotic to them.

00:19:16.000 I think that would be kind of the key word used is exotic.

00:19:18.000 I mean, I'll say I have people I know quite well from all of these countries, and they come to the United States and they say, yeah, it's fairly familiar.

00:19:25.000 We have a lot of the same customs, a lot of the same understandings, a lot of the same presuppositions.

00:19:29.000 Where if someone comes from Somalia, for example, or even to get closer, if someone came from Albania, even though that's European, because this is not a like white thing, I'm not saying this is an exclusionary white thing.

00:19:38.000 I'm saying it's a very specific culture, very specific nationality.

00:19:41.000 American is a nation.

00:19:42.000 And there's a lot of white groups that would have quite a lot of difficulty assimilating into American life.

00:19:47.000 Albanians come to mind, Russians.

00:19:49.000 There's various groups.

00:19:50.000 Czechs.

00:19:51.000 Yeah, even Czechs.

00:19:52.000 But what is even British culture now? 0.90

00:19:55.000 You've seen so much over the last decade or so of mass immigration. 1.00

00:19:59.000 I've been to England a couple of times and it's just unrecognizable.

00:20:02.000 It's.

00:20:03.000 Yeah.

00:20:05.000 I hear a lot of that anecdotally from a lot of people that travel the world and they see that in a lot of places.

00:20:09.000 I think that's the tragic thing across the West is, again, I'm making all these presuppositions if we're talking about these countries.

00:20:14.000 But again, these countries have fundamentally changed, even the United States, where, again, what would be the Japanese understanding of an American?

00:20:19.000 It'd be like, uh-uh.

00:20:20.000 I'm James Johnson and I'm a former Marine.

00:20:24.000 And that's like what's in their video games.

00:20:25.000 But if you look at like Dallas now, I mean, Dallas looks like a literal UN refugee camp.

00:20:32.000 I mean, it is unbelievable what's going on there. 0.98

00:20:34.000 Same things happening in Toronto.

00:20:35.000 Same things happening in Birmingham in the UK.

00:20:37.000 Same things happening in Melbourne, Australia.

00:20:39.000 Like these countries, and it's happening all across the West, are just increasingly becoming unfamiliar.

00:20:44.000 I think that's very fair to say.

00:20:46.000 And again, I'm not making the contention that anyone is better or worse.

00:20:50.000 I'm just saying that.

00:20:51.000 Diversity on the global scale is actually quite a beautiful thing.

00:20:53.000 You know, the fact that Bangladesh is Bengali or the fact that Nigeria is Nigerian, that's a very beautiful thing.

00:20:59.000 The idea that a lot of these people are proposing that, you know, the entire world should just turn into one giant group, like one giant homogenous group that has no identifiable features, I find quite tragic.

00:21:10.000 And again, this is saying on a global scale, I think it would be tragic if Eritrea ceased to be Eritrean.

00:21:16.000 If you could snap your fingers and everyone on earth knew English, would you?

00:21:20.000 No, no, I think that would be.

00:21:21.000 Pretty sad.

00:21:22.000 That'd be a Tower of Babel scenario, basically.

00:21:24.000 So, you don't want that to happen.

00:21:26.000 In Dungeons and Dragons, there's a language called common, and everyone knows common.

00:21:31.000 And then there's like elvish and dwarvish and all these things, but humans only speak common. 0.62

00:21:36.000 I think it's a take on the white, it's on American English and like how Americans only speak it common. 0.88

00:21:41.000 You know, they only speak English. 0.69

00:21:42.000 But I personally, my thoughts in 2006 when I started doing this was if we can create a world language, and I like your Tower of Babel reference, but if we had a world language that it'll be a lot easier to do this, to win this culture war.

00:21:55.000 Like, once you get someone to speak your language, you've basically won them.

00:22:00.000 Do you think that creates peace?

00:22:01.000 Because, I mean, look at the United States, everyone here speaks English and there's quite a bit of. 0.82

00:22:04.000 Division and difficulty getting along. 0.59

00:22:05.000 I wouldn't say everyone.

00:22:06.000 Sorry.

00:22:07.000 Yeah. 0.74

00:22:08.000 At scale, it's funny because I never really had a problem with multiculturalism in theory until I started experiencing it. 0.60

00:22:15.000 Multiculturalism in my neighborhood, in my state, the places where I live, and also seeing how it's impacted all these other countries to the point where you've diluted what made some of these countries historic.

00:22:25.000 Well, there's a reason Vermont votes dictatorial numbers for the Democrat Party because they're not exposed to the ramifications of Democrat policy.

00:22:25.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 Well, Vermont's actually a pretty safe place.

00:22:33.000 Exactly.

00:22:34.000 So, yeah.

00:22:34.000 Yeah.

00:22:35.000 Yeah.

00:22:35.000 So, like, you know, what you would expect.

00:22:36.000 From, like, I don't know, a Democrat rule in California or New York, Vermont is still a very homogenous place.

00:22:41.000 So the reality is, in very homogenous countries and very homogenous communities, they can try a variety of different policy cocktails.

00:22:48.000 In the actual day to day life, the social compact, it would be very difficult to disrupt that.

00:22:53.000 I wonder, like, Chris, what's the craziest cultural thing you've experienced personally?

00:22:58.000 I'm open.

00:22:58.000 If any of you guys have, like, a thing that jumps out, like, I want to hear it.

00:23:01.000 But I'll have to think about the most appropriate one for YouTube.

00:23:04.000 And maybe I'll save the more inappropriate one that came immediately to mind today.

00:23:06.000 Oh, interesting.

00:23:07.000 I'm not sure if anybody else wants to wait.

00:23:08.000 I lived in LA in 2007, 8, 9, and I love it.

00:23:11.000 I was in like East, what is East LA, you know, Melrose Hill, and it was every Sunday.

00:23:18.000 I can't tell, you know, and it was, I dug it.

00:23:20.000 And then my buddy invited me over for collard greens, you know, and I'm like hanging out at his house.

00:23:25.000 I loved it.

00:23:26.000 I loved it, but I had a good family.

00:23:28.000 I wasn't getting like adopted into their culture.

00:23:31.000 I just liked being like the white guy at the party. 0.70

00:23:33.000 I hang out with all Mexican dudes or South American, Central American dudes that spoke no English, and I was.

00:23:39.000 Think words at them while they would be speaking in Spanish, and I could like feel their vibe and they would laugh and they love me.

00:23:45.000 What I don't think most people are like that.

00:23:46.000 No, and I think that tees into our next story quite well, actually.

00:23:50.000 On the you know, what led to this? 0.83

00:23:52.000 Well, it was my mass immigration that was kind of disrupted a lot of these things we're talking about.

00:23:55.000 This is from the post millennial ICE identifies more than 10,000 potential fraud cases nationwide related to foreign student job program.

00:24:04.000 Unbelievable, unbelievable what's going on in this country.

00:24:07.000 Uh, thankfully, the Trump administration is on the case, they are, um, They're jumping on this.

00:24:11.000 They're proactive.

00:24:12.000 Again, ICE has found over 10,000 potential fraud cases involving a program that permits foreign students to prolong their stay in the United States after graduating from college by claiming work employment.

00:24:22.000 The federal investigation into the OPT, that's the Optional Practice Training Program, revealed that thousands of foreign students have been claiming to work at businesses with fraud indicators, many of which are non governmental organizations engaged in, quote, suspicious activity, said ICE Acting Director Todd Lyons during a press conference on Tuesday.

00:24:39.000 OPT permits foreign, OPT permits Foreign nationals to work in the United States for 12 or in certain situations 24 months after entering the country on a student visa.

00:24:48.000 Additionally, the program enables students to switch to an employer sponsored H 1B visa, according to the DHS website.

00:24:54.000 Quote Our nation will not tolerate security threats originating from the foreign student programs.

00:24:58.000 Today, we are announcing that we have identified over 10,000 foreign students who claim to be working for highly suspect employers.

00:25:08.000 That was the ICE director, Todd Lyons, making that statement.

00:25:13.000 Again, what we're looking into here, what we're seeing is, as they said, the OPT, this basically allows these people who came here on student visas to find work and employment in the United States afterwards, which in theory is like, yeah, that makes total sense.

00:25:27.000 But the problem is it's being exploited.

00:25:28.000 What's happening here is they're setting up fake job mills in order to extend that visa, which is, as I understand it, was a fairly simple process.

00:25:36.000 You basically just go and say, Yeah, I got employed.

00:25:38.000 I should stay here for an extra 12 months.

00:25:40.000 State Department says, Yep, checks out.

00:25:41.000 You're here for another 12 months, or in certain cases, two years.

00:25:41.000 Here you go.

00:25:44.000 And ICE has identified that this has been a loophole that's being exploited, and they're cracking down hard here.

00:25:48.000 Were the NGOs that are doing these job mill things that you're talking about?

00:25:52.000 So, again, what we're seeing here is, again, it looks like NGOs were involved.

00:25:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:58.000 A lot of these employers were set up by immigrant companies.

00:26:00.000 Communities themselves, and then in some cases, NGOs.

00:26:02.000 And this was effectively their way of keeping these students in the country because they would not have been able to find employment otherwise.

00:26:09.000 So it's fraud.

00:26:10.000 I mean, case in point, and ICE here is obviously cracking down hard.

00:26:14.000 It's the same as Minnesota fraud.

00:26:16.000 It's the same as the California fraud.

00:26:17.000 It's the same as all the fraud that we've been seeing lately.

00:26:20.000 People are mad at Trump and the administration for some things, but this is a big deal.

00:26:24.000 Like they're doing empty buildings, private homes listed as for hundreds of students, but no one's there.

00:26:30.000 Multiple employers using the same address.

00:26:32.000 Without valid licenses, it's the same scenario of fraud that they've been doing, just on a different scale.

00:26:39.000 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 We've seen this.

00:26:40.000 I mean, Canada is a great example, actually, of what happens when, again, these programs make a lot of sense.

00:26:48.000 I mean, again, if everything was functioning as normally, these programs make a lot of sense.

00:26:51.000 For example, in Canada, if you are a good student and then you come to Canada to study, it makes sense that you would be granted a visa so you can study in Canada.

00:27:00.000 Yeah, checks out.

00:27:01.000 That makes total sense.

00:27:02.000 But what was happening was, again, Immigrant communities, NGOs were involved, but this was primarily immigrant communities, specifically India.

00:27:09.000 They would set up technical colleges.

00:27:11.000 And if you looked up the address of the technical college, they would say, well, we're purely online, so we don't need a campus.

00:27:15.000 Okay, you look up the address, and it's a mailbox.

00:27:17.000 And they're granting like 30,000 student visas.

00:27:20.000 Because again, it was a system that, when set up in past decades, worked fine.

00:27:26.000 I mean, it never would have occurred to someone to commit fraud at this level.

00:27:30.000 But again, as the world changes, again, as the composition of a lot of these countries changes, we're facing new problems.

00:27:35.000 And so Canada had this problem.

00:27:36.000 And now it looks like in the United States, We had a similar issue where, again, we've cracked down that a little more.

00:27:41.000 It's more difficult for just colleges you've never heard of to grant student visas.

00:27:46.000 But the post school employment loophole is now being clamped down on by ICE.

00:27:52.000 A lot of the beneficiaries are managed by employees based in India.

00:27:56.000 I mean, of course. 0.99

00:27:57.000 So they're violating the work and training requirements.

00:28:00.000 So all these companies, a lot of these companies, are saying we're hiring these people and they're bringing them in here, even though it's the wrong address.

00:28:07.000 They have tax liens, they have red flags, and civil lawsuits against them.

00:28:10.000 They're using these to say that they can stay in the United States when they should not be staying in the United States.

00:28:15.000 Well, Canada has a solution for having too many people. 0.87

00:28:19.000 They just tell them to kill themselves, essentially, through a doctor.

00:28:21.000 So America's not there yet.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, we're not there yet.

00:28:25.000 I mean, that's kind of extreme. 0.99

00:28:26.000 Yeah, it's like, just kill yourself. 0.98

00:28:29.000 Yeah, because Canada, it's a computer spitting out a calculation. 0.90

00:28:32.000 So Canada has universal health care.

00:28:34.000 And again, if they determine that this person is going to be like a net drain on the taxpayer, if they were to be treated, that would be the recommendation that would be given to the person.

00:28:42.000 So people are literally being prescribed.

00:28:44.000 Suicide by the state because of a math formulation.

00:28:47.000 I mean, it is absolutely barbaric what is happening all across the West.

00:28:51.000 The United States is a bit insulated because obviously state power, believe it or not, isn't quite as encompassing in the United States as it is elsewhere.

00:28:57.000 And it's pretty bad here.

00:28:58.000 But to your point, I mean, Canada, dystopian. 0.97

00:29:01.000 I mean, the fact that a doctor will tell you, yeah, you should probably kill yourself because my computer told me so. 0.75

00:29:06.000 Yeah, free speech, dude. 0.90

00:29:07.000 I was just thinking about Brett Weinstein who was on the show last night.

00:29:10.000 Like during COVID, the way that the Americans kind of at least Provided some resistance to that whole lockdown world scenario, was.

00:29:20.000 And a lot of Canadians, too, the truckers in particular.

00:29:22.000 I mean, they stood up.

00:29:24.000 I don't know if it's the monarch.

00:29:24.000 And then what?

00:29:26.000 You know how I feel about monarchy, Chris, but.

00:29:28.000 If you want, then they just.

00:29:29.000 Their government just took their bank accounts away.

00:29:33.000 That's what it was.

00:29:34.000 And the people that donated to the truckers, they messed their bank accounts up too.

00:29:34.000 Yeah.

00:29:37.000 See, the beautiful thing about America is our freedom.

00:29:39.000 The government will not do that, but private corporations will do that for you.

00:29:43.000 They'll debank you, they'll cancel you if you have some sort of wrong thing.

00:29:47.000 Yeah.

00:29:48.000 Sarcastically, the beautiful thing about America.

00:29:50.000 Well, when we saw the shot across the ballot, I don't know if you guys remember when Beto O'Rourke was running for Senate in Texas, I think it was in 2018 against Ted Cruz.

00:29:58.000 And at the time, there was a lot of fervor over shooting, like mass shootings and these sorts of things.

00:30:02.000 And so they asked him, they said, Well, okay, as governor of Texas, you can't just take people's guns because there's, you know, a Republican state legislator that would stop that from happening.

00:30:10.000 So how do you plan on, as governor, again, clamping down on like assault weapons, for example?

00:30:14.000 That was like the specific question.

00:30:16.000 And he said, What I would do as governor is I would instruct private companies like Chase, I think he cited Chase, you know, specifically, from they would basically not allow private customers to execute a bank transaction with a seller to acquire a.

00:30:31.000 You know, an assault weapon, like he was specifically talking about an AR 15.

00:30:34.000 So, in short, what he was saying was, I would instruct Chase to not allow you to do business with a gun shop.

00:30:39.000 And I think that's kind of the workground in the United States because, again, we don't necessarily have an all encompassing, you know, government.

00:30:44.000 But again, government, and you'll like this, Ian, government collaboration with the private sector can actually create far more worse oppression than just straight up state intervention in this instance, where who are you supposed to appeal to?

00:30:55.000 There is no private sector to bail you out anymore if you're like a consumer trying to get a transaction done because the private sector's, you know, cozied up with the federal government.

00:31:04.000 Or state government in this instance.

00:31:05.000 I mean, thankfully he lost.

00:31:08.000 Is that the same debate where he said, Hell yeah, we're coming for your guns?

00:31:11.000 Yes, it is.

00:31:12.000 I remember because I was watching it on a stationary bike.

00:31:14.000 I was like, Well, I guess I'm going to go buy my first one.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, literally.

00:31:18.000 Top 10 all time political moments.

00:31:19.000 Hell yeah, we're coming for your guns.

00:31:20.000 I was like, Yeah, he probably was like almost working for them.

00:31:23.000 And then you could hear the whistle from his poll number drop.

00:31:27.000 Then he went and campaigned in California for some reason.

00:31:29.000 Did he disappear for good?

00:31:31.000 Or is he still trying to make it out there in Texas?

00:31:32.000 He was writing, like, I don't know if he had a column or a Substack or something, but he's talking about after he lost.

00:31:37.000 He like went to the New Mexican desert to find himself, and he was like, I was eating dirt to connect with the people there. 0.58

00:31:41.000 I'm like, What are you, a pregnant woman? 0.89

00:31:42.000 What do you mean you're eating what? 1.00

00:31:43.000 That's code for I was eating peyote.

00:31:45.000 That's what he was doing.

00:31:46.000 He had an iron short. 0.99

00:31:47.000 He liked balls. 0.96

00:31:49.000 Beto went there. 0.99

00:31:50.000 He's just like chowing down on peyote with the.

00:31:52.000 I don't know if I. Maybe a ploy to capture the Haitian road. 0.99

00:31:55.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:31:55.000 Dirt. 0.98

00:31:56.000 A categorically more intelligent way to spend his time than running for office.

00:32:00.000 Yeah.

00:32:00.000 Is he still in politics?

00:32:01.000 You just asked that question?

00:32:02.000 He ran for president in 2020.

00:32:04.000 You think he's going to run again?

00:32:06.000 I don't know.

00:32:07.000 I don't even know what he's up to.

00:32:08.000 I actually don't think he's going to be in politics.

00:32:08.000 I know.

00:32:11.000 Through his organization, Powered by People, which focuses on voter registration and rights.

00:32:15.000 So he's still doing a little bit of cobbling up some things.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, he lost again.

00:32:20.000 He's lost everything he's done politically.

00:32:23.000 You remember people were like, he's the next Abraham Lincoln because Abraham Lincoln lost a slate of elections before he gained president.

00:32:28.000 Abraham Lincoln, I don't know if he did.

00:32:33.000 I'm sure Abraham Lincoln was doing kickflips and bong ribs.

00:32:36.000 Do you guys think MADE would make it in America? 0.50

00:32:39.000 MADE?

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:40.000 It would be difficult because it's like, you know, there's a lot of restrictions.

00:32:43.000 This is actually, you know, one of them.

00:32:44.000 State by state, you know, you got the 10th.

00:32:45.000 Amendment, so yeah.

00:32:47.000 I mean, I guess the question is would it be allowed versus would it be widespread?

00:32:50.000 I could see a situation which becomes allowed in quite a few blue states.

00:32:52.000 Would it be like common?

00:32:53.000 I don't think so.

00:32:54.000 Because again, the primary reason you're seeing made utilized so heavily in Canada and the UK is because of their public health care and they're trying to lessen the burden on the health care system.

00:33:02.000 And again, if someone is facing potentially really expensive treatment, it's just a calculation they're running.

00:33:07.000 They're saying, well, if we kill this person, then we don't have to pay for their treatment.

00:33:10.000 So, made is the thing they're using to prescribe that to people in Canada, medically assisted, right?

00:33:16.000 Right, whatever.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, it's just effectively like Doge for human beings.

00:33:19.000 Like, we're just saying, you're redundant and we're getting rid of you.

00:33:21.000 And it's like, I wish that was a joke, but it's like real.

00:33:24.000 I mean, it's insane what's going on up there.

00:33:26.000 Literally, there was one guy, he was like, he broke his leg, I think was what it was.

00:33:30.000 And instead of setting his leg, they offered to kill him first.

00:33:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:34.000 What? 0.99

00:33:34.000 Was he a horse? 0.99

00:33:35.000 Like, what is this?

00:33:36.000 Take him to the glue factory.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, literally.

00:33:39.000 Did he say, okay?

00:33:40.000 No, he wrote the piece.

00:33:41.000 Okay.

00:33:43.000 I went to the doctor.

00:33:44.000 You know better.

00:33:45.000 I was like, they were like, how are you feeling?

00:33:47.000 I was like, I'm very stressed.

00:33:48.000 They were like, do you want medicine?

00:33:50.000 I was like, no, no, I'll meditate.

00:33:53.000 I meditate.

00:33:53.000 I'll meditate.

00:33:54.000 Or I think he said, why are you stressed?

00:33:55.000 I said, the liberal.

00:33:56.000 And that was a different situation.

00:33:57.000 I was getting my weed.

00:33:58.000 Card and they're like, Why?

00:33:59.000 I'm like, I'm stressed out about the liberal economic order.

00:34:00.000 He's like, Here you go.

00:34:02.000 This last time I was like, Yeah, I've been having anxiety.

00:34:05.000 And it was like, The first thing they did was offer me medication.

00:34:07.000 It was like, No, ask about diet, nothing about my lifestyle.

00:34:11.000 It was just, Do you want something for that?

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:13.000 And maybe, okay, maybe the like, Glad Made doesn't exist here.

00:34:16.000 And I guess the reason you're seeing a lot of these policies pass is, again, this is something we've talked about on the show quite extensively, is again, as sort of the high trust society in America erodes, you're going to have to see the government be more proactive to, again, ensure stability, ensure peace among the population.

00:34:16.000 Oh, I know.

00:34:32.000 A great example would be El Salvador.

00:34:33.000 A great example would be Singapore.

00:34:35.000 These are two countries where, prior to the mass government crackdowns, and Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew and El Salvador's Bukele, and this was in our lifetime, so it's very prevalent, is these societies prior to the takeover of these, I would say it's fair to classify, and I'm not using this as a prerogative, authoritarian leaders, prior to their ascension, these were countries with very low trust.

00:34:53.000 These were places where people were terrified to go outside.

00:34:55.000 These are places with very, very minimal indications of a healthy society.

00:35:02.000 In El Salvador, obviously, it was culminating in Violent crime.

00:35:05.000 But even in Singapore, I mean, there was a lot of jostling over political power. 0.82

00:35:09.000 Malaysia and the entirety of Southeast Asia at the time was a very chippy place, I think, to say the least.

00:35:15.000 But Singapore was kind of interesting because they had a large Chinese population, and the rest of Malaysia was primarily Malay. 0.86

00:35:20.000 So they viewed Singapore as like a problem.

00:35:22.000 And so, again, when you have these very low trust societies, the only way to ensure that the population is able to at least have, or able to ensure that society is going to function in any meaningful way, the government has to crack down hard.

00:35:35.000 And that's what we're seeing across the West, again, as the high trust societies break down for a variety of reasons, including immigration, which is vital.

00:35:41.000 This is why it's so vital that the Trump administration really, you know, knocks us out of the park, is because we have no choice but to move towards authoritarianism, again, if society continues to break down.

00:35:52.000 And I don't want that.

00:35:53.000 I don't want to live in an authoritarian society.

00:35:54.000 I want to live in sort of a Rockwell painting America.

00:35:57.000 Do you think the government was having to crack down hard?

00:35:59.000 You think MADE would have even occurred to anyone, again, in a more classical American situation?

00:36:05.000 No, people didn't even lock their doors.

00:36:07.000 And that's real.

00:36:08.000 That's a very real thing.

00:36:09.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 Even the idea of the Wild West, like these gun slinging guys, that was exceptionally peaceful compared to what is going on now and what is now the West, like California, Oregon, Seattle.

00:36:20.000 That's the direction we're going to have to go.

00:36:22.000 If, again, if we can't agree as a country that, again, we need to have borders, we need to have national sovereignty, people need to be on the same page as far as ethics, morality, customs goes, we have no choice but to introduce a bouquet style government if we want peace.

00:36:33.000 Now we're talking.

00:36:34.000 I like that.

00:36:35.000 It's possible to have a good, righteous, noble tyrant.

00:36:39.000 I agree.

00:36:40.000 But we're going to be denied that.

00:36:41.000 We're not going to be able to have that in the United States, unfortunately.

00:36:44.000 But I'm glad you brought up Singapore because that actually is a counterexample. 0.91

00:36:48.000 That's a perfect multicultural society. 0.99

00:36:50.000 Sure.

00:36:50.000 Compared to other situations that are multicultural around the world, Singapore functions very well.

00:36:54.000 It's a multicultural society.

00:36:54.000 Wow.

00:36:55.000 But it's a society that requires a lot of government intervention. 0.91

00:36:58.000 That's right.

00:36:59.000 But hey, you know, you spit your gum on the sidewalk, then you're shunned.

00:37:02.000 I mean, they take care of their city and they take care of their citizens.

00:37:05.000 And the citizens seem to, for the most part, take care of each other.

00:37:07.000 You've got Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasian countries that are there.

00:37:12.000 And it's the same.

00:37:12.000 Yeah.

00:37:13.000 It's been the same ruling party now for 50, 60 years.

00:37:15.000 Not because necessarily of oppression, but just because it hasn't occurred to them to vote him out.

00:37:19.000 They're like, oh, good job.

00:37:19.000 Because it's working.

00:37:20.000 Because that's why I also fear for what's going to happen in El Salvador. 0.99

00:37:22.000 And when Bukele's reign ends, if it does end, and I hope it doesn't. 0.98

00:37:26.000 Yeah.

00:37:26.000 No, yeah, I think there'll be a bit of a vacuum.

00:37:28.000 El Salvador is a slightly different case because it was just so exceptionally violent before.

00:37:31.000 Their problem there isn't so much ethnic squabbling like you saw in Singapore and El Salvador, it was just violent crime.

00:37:38.000 Satanic, violent gangs.

00:37:40.000 Yeah, literally.

00:37:41.000 Like literal human sacrifice occurring.

00:37:43.000 I mean, if you listen, I think it was also on Tucker's show, actually, Bukele talking about some of the things that were going on in El Salvador before the crackdown.

00:37:49.000 I mean, it's like, even if you're a full blown atheist, Reddit atheist with the Fedora, That would send chills down your spine, some of the stuff going on in El Salvador prior to Bukele.

00:37:57.000 Yeah, in that interview, I'm pretty sure Tucker said, What was the first thing you did when you got in office?

00:38:01.000 And he said, I prayed to God for wisdom.

00:38:03.000 Yeah.

00:38:03.000 Like he's a really exceptional leader.

00:38:04.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 And Tucker was even, he kind of like laughed and was just like, Why would a leader say that?

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:08.000 Like, who thinks that way?

00:38:09.000 And he's just like, Why would you think otherwise?

00:38:11.000 Very wise, man.

00:38:11.000 Yeah.

00:38:12.000 Nice.

00:38:13.000 Yeah.

00:38:14.000 The American ICE crackdowns was like, I felt like a lead towards overt authoritarian crackdown on street violence, whatever, you know, corruption in the system.

00:38:23.000 But, The people reviled so drastically that they pulled back.

00:38:28.000 And now I feel like the authoritarianism is digital, like they're using Palantir to hunt this fraud down.

00:38:34.000 I don't know what they're using.

00:38:35.000 They are using Palantir.

00:38:36.000 And it's secret and it's in the background.

00:38:38.000 I'm kind of like, well played, sir. 0.99

00:38:40.000 But at the same time, I feel like I'm ushering in the beast, like the totalitarian technocracy that's going to be spying on when I take a crap. 0.98

00:38:47.000 It's going to be like, you got worms. 0.97

00:38:50.000 Why do you think it's authoritarian when it was obeying the law and doing what the law stated?

00:38:55.000 Well, if they make a law, like the Patriot Act's.

00:38:58.000 Pretty authoritarian, but they'll be like, hey, it's all legal.

00:39:00.000 You gave an example of current ICE raids.

00:39:03.000 That was all legal.

00:39:04.000 It's like the executive branch making a pretty overt military action on the domestic population. 0.80

00:39:11.000 Military by taking out illegals who are not here.

00:39:13.000 Well, not just illegals were taken out, might I remind you.

00:39:16.000 I mean, which tells you that a lot of these goons are just trained terribly.

00:39:19.000 That's part of the problem.

00:39:20.000 We could have an authoritarian regime that comes through and does a proper suite, but these guys aren't trained for it.

00:39:25.000 That's what we've seen in the streets.

00:39:26.000 Yeah, six months ain't enough, huh?

00:39:27.000 Or whatever that is.

00:39:28.000 I know it's quick.

00:39:29.000 Well, whatever it is, it's not enough.

00:39:31.000 And also, it's being poorly executed at some level.

00:39:34.000 Do you think it's better to call it a military action or a police action?

00:39:38.000 I would say it's a law enforcement action.

00:39:39.000 I think the problem, and I'm supportive of ICE because I think what they're attempting to do is something that's very much overdue in the United States.

00:39:47.000 But to Chris's point, I mean, part of the problem is, again, the reason why Bukele can do what he can do in El Salvador and the reason why it can't be replicated in the United States is because what is Bukele's approval rating?

00:39:57.000 92%.

00:39:58.000 Now, it doesn't matter how well, let's just use a Republican as an example.

00:40:01.000 It doesn't matter how well a Republican governs.

00:40:04.000 The way that American society is currently structured, you're going to have at least half the country that's going to have a problem with him because it's just the nature of American society.

00:40:11.000 And so, again, to take action as drastic as a naive bouquet, we have to be in a dire, dire situation.

00:40:19.000 And for the most part, most Americans, even though we're observing a lot of these problems in American society, still don't feel like they're cornered.

00:40:28.000 I think that would be fair to say.

00:40:29.000 I think American life still functions fairly well, even though it's obviously degraded.

00:40:32.000 Obviously, our standard of living is dropping.

00:40:34.000 You go to Walgreens, you got to beg the employee to get a stick of deodorant.

00:40:37.000 But by the fact that you can drive to a Walgreens and not worry about being carjacked, you know, the worry about a shooting taking place at Walgreens, that indicates that we're not quite at El Salvador level. 0.93

00:40:47.000 Did Bukele control state media? 0.84

00:40:50.000 Like, is it locked down in El Salvador, internet and all that?

00:40:53.000 I don't actually know.

00:40:54.000 And I don't think it would be terribly relevant because, as I understand, the way most of Latin America works is the media that they consume is mostly like civilizational.

00:41:02.000 So, again, like Telemundo, companies like this, Spanish language media kind of transcends national boundaries.

00:41:09.000 So they don't have like a heavy.

00:41:12.000 Media rich atmosphere that's completely domestic.

00:41:14.000 It's more of like an international sort of thing.

00:41:16.000 Happens in Europe where okay, maybe each country has their own specific, um, you know, news aggregator or whatever, but like News 24 is quite ubiquitous across Europe.

00:41:25.000 There's a few other outlets that come to mind, and as I understand it, that is the case in Latin America. 0.81

00:41:29.000 So even if Bukele were to take total control of state of all media actions in the country, I don't think it'd be that consequential. 0.97

00:41:35.000 Is there internet free?

00:41:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:37.000 I mean, that's the thing is like El Salvador functions now as a first world country, it's just they have a heavy law enforcement.

00:41:44.000 That's the only thing that's really ramped up in El Salvador is law enforcement because they had to because people are getting killed on the streets.

00:41:49.000 Did they make new laws?

00:41:50.000 Or did they just start enforcing?

00:41:52.000 What did they do?

00:41:53.000 Like a good example, well, it's not necessarily a new law.

00:41:55.000 I think now it's been codified into law.

00:41:57.000 But when he declared emergency powers to, again, secure the country, he was basically saying this was like a national security threat.

00:42:03.000 A good example would be anyone with a gang tattoo was going to be brought in to the police department and then processed accordingly.

00:42:10.000 And that was something that was later codified into law.

00:42:11.000 But at the time, that was through emergency powers.

00:42:14.000 Through law.

00:42:15.000 But actually, in practice, what would happen is that during those early crackdowns, if you're talking to a gang member, then you go to prison.

00:42:21.000 And he might not ever be heard from again.

00:42:22.000 Yeah.

00:42:23.000 People from El Salvador where that's happened, they've said, Oh, my cousin was caught talking to a gang member, wasn't involved.

00:42:27.000 He got caught up in the raids.

00:42:29.000 He went to prison.

00:42:30.000 Never going to hear from him again.

00:42:31.000 And they told me this is, of course, anecdotal, but they said that's a trade off we'd be willing to make because that's how bad it was.

00:42:31.000 Yeah.

00:42:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:42:37.000 I mean, like at its peak, I think like 4% of El Salvador's population was actually imprisoned.

00:42:41.000 And to Chris's point, because things got so dire, they were like, Look, we got to crack a couple of eggs and make an omelet.

00:42:47.000 Like, I don't want to risk dying when I just walk outside to collect my newspaper.

00:42:51.000 The United States isn't there yet.

00:42:52.000 That's just the reality.

00:42:53.000 I mean, people are melting down over like, What was the guy that got returned to El Salvador and then brought back?

00:43:00.000 Annuel Garcia.

00:43:00.000 Maryland.

00:43:01.000 Maryland.

00:43:01.000 Maryland, Ann, right?

00:43:02.000 The Maryland mother.

00:43:03.000 And like the entire, like, you know, at least half the country was like ready to ride over it.

00:43:07.000 So that just tells you that like, even though things are heading that direction, we're just not quite there yet.

00:43:13.000 And I don't think we should ever, well, maybe not never, but ideally, we shouldn't have to beg the federal government to police our neighborhoods.

00:43:21.000 Like, that's what we're supposed to do as American citizens with militia.

00:43:24.000 And, you know, ideally, I think that's the intention of the nation.

00:43:29.000 In theory, but maybe I'm wrong.

00:43:30.000 No, no, I dig it.

00:43:32.000 I dig the local militia thing.

00:43:33.000 I mean, we're in a different state than what we used to be back in the day.

00:43:38.000 But having your own local militia nowadays to wait right, like how could you organize ice raids with the local?

00:43:44.000 That'd be like having the protected neighborhood community guys, but they get in trouble because they're on their terrace because they're a group patrolling their own, you know, their own streets.

00:43:52.000 Yeah, and it just reached, yeah, in itself.

00:43:55.000 Well, in the areas that you would really need to penetrate the most are very Democrat areas, so major cities, state of California.

00:44:00.000 Yeah, you're not coming to the suburbs.

00:44:03.000 Precisely.

00:44:03.000 So, even then, I mean, look, half the country voted for Trump, and Trump was pretty explicit that, yes, we're going to send federal agents into these cities to deport illegal immigrants.

00:44:12.000 And so, half the country signed off on it.

00:44:14.000 That was like his biggest policy that everyone was talking about.

00:44:16.000 With that, we got to get into this next story, move on a bit from immigration.

00:44:20.000 I could talk about it all day.

00:44:22.000 From time, California mayor resigns, admitting to being an agent for China.

00:44:28.000 The mayor of a Los Angeles suburb resigned Monday as U.S. officials announced that she will plead guilty in federal court.

00:44:34.000 To acting as an illegal agent for the Chinese government.

00:44:37.000 Federal prosecutors announced Monday that Eileen Wang, 58, of Arcadia, California, has been charged with one count of acting in the U.S. as an illegal agent of a foreign government and is, quote, expected to plead guilty in the coming weeks.

00:44:51.000 The charge is punishable with up to 10 years in prison, quote, Mayor Wang admitted to acting as a foreign agent from at least 2020 through 2022, promoting PRC propaganda in the United States and acting at the PRC's discretion or direction, rather, to promote their interests.

00:45:07.000 This was according to Kash Patel.

00:45:08.000 FBI and our federal partners continue to move aggressively to root out this kind of influence in American institutions all over the country.

00:45:15.000 Here's just a little background on Eileen here. 0.79

00:45:18.000 Come on, Eileen.

00:45:19.000 Wang was elected in November 2022 to a five member Arcadia City Council where the mayor is selected on a rotating basis.

00:45:25.000 City manager Dominic Lazaretto said in a statement Monday that Wang, who became mayor in February, has resigned from the council.

00:45:33.000 Because this is a really bizarre story.

00:45:33.000 Guys, what do we make of this?

00:45:35.000 It's fascinating.

00:45:36.000 I think there's been a little bit of suspicion for a long time that, again, Whether we like it or not, the CCP has probably infiltrated the United States a little bit more than we would like to care to admit.

00:45:46.000 Now, obviously, this is high profile because this is an elected official, but there's been discussions at the student visa level, like a lot of these students coming in from China.

00:45:52.000 Again, these people, they keep a tight, stiff upper lip.

00:45:56.000 Like they will not disclose a lot of their premonitions.

00:46:00.000 So, what do you guys make of all this?

00:46:01.000 Well, not to go for the low hanging fruit, but I think it was kind of a dick move on Mrs. Wang's part to do that. 0.98

00:46:06.000 Those are the only dick jokes I'm going to make. 0.98

00:46:09.000 I mean, I'm not surprised by it. 0.99

00:46:11.000 You see this.

00:46:11.000 I'm really not.

00:46:13.000 Subversion by the CCP in America in many facets of American life.

00:46:19.000 You see it a lot online as well.

00:46:21.000 So I'm not surprised at all to see it starting at the local level.

00:46:24.000 We also know former Representative Swalwell allegedly had an affair with an alleged Chinese spy.

00:46:30.000 I don't know if this was before or after the hotel room video thing came out, but I think it was before because I remember before.

00:46:35.000 There's so many weird things done.

00:46:37.000 I know.

00:46:37.000 Why is there something like that?

00:46:38.000 Which was funny because Swalwell got busted again, rape charges pending and all that.

00:46:43.000 Initially, what's gotten him thrown out was basically infidelity, which is wrong, obviously, but it's not the First time a congressman's cheated on his wife, I would have thought the affair with a CCP agent was worthy of getting kicked out of Congress and probably your citizenship, but that's just me.

00:46:56.000 I didn't realize he was married, uh, with a family.

00:46:59.000 I just guys have been all over the place.

00:47:01.000 I didn't realize he was straight, yeah, yeah. 0.88

00:47:03.000 So I still don't realize.

00:47:04.000 I'm just kidding.

00:47:07.000 In recent years, at least 15 Chinese spies and operatives have been linked to the People's Republic of China in California alone.

00:47:14.000 How many 15 within since uh 2019, so the last six years, we got at least 15.

00:47:21.000 Per the brave thing, but also there's so many more out there.

00:47:26.000 We know there's more out there.

00:47:28.000 They're buying our farmland first and foremost, and they're selling their infrastructure for our power grid.

00:47:34.000 I mean, that's a different subject.

00:47:35.000 We can go crazy on that, but there's so many spies out there.

00:47:38.000 Just in California, we got 15 people last couple of years.

00:47:41.000 It was a mayor.

00:47:41.000 So many.

00:47:42.000 How does that?

00:47:43.000 So, what happened? 1.00

00:47:44.000 She's Chinese.

00:47:45.000 I was in the bathroom, full disclosure, but I don't know if you explained this already, but she was what?

00:47:49.000 She had a Chinese family, so the CCP is blackmailing her.

00:47:53.000 Getting her to give state secrets or something back to the party?

00:47:56.000 How deep does this go?

00:47:58.000 I think she's just a fan of the CCP.

00:48:00.000 I think that's what they're born and raised to be.

00:48:02.000 Their country is like being a real American.

00:48:04.000 And I like a lot of folks, she's a real proud China woman, Chinese woman, CCP person.

00:48:09.000 She comes to America.

00:48:11.000 She could have been a baby anchor.

00:48:12.000 We don't freaking know, but there's a lot of ways to go about it. 1.00

00:48:16.000 And so she's here becoming the mayor, take over a little town to help China buy maybe more farmland, buy more electrical grids.

00:48:24.000 She's just an operative, bro.

00:48:25.000 Well, yeah, she was born in China, actually.

00:48:27.000 So she was born in China.

00:48:28.000 And then she came over here as a child because her father took a gig at USC.

00:48:32.000 And that's how she ended up in Southern California.

00:48:32.000 Okay.

00:48:35.000 But it is very concerning.

00:48:37.000 I mean, obviously, it's very concerning if the CCP is electing officials in the United States.

00:48:41.000 But it's difficult because, again, we have to view all people as interchangeable cogs and that people will not have, again, preconceived notions regarding how they view American sovereignty and these sorts of things.

00:48:53.000 And we're going to continue to be surprised and blindsided by this.

00:48:55.000 Of course, hers is. 0.92

00:48:57.000 Promoting the interests of a global adversary in China's case.

00:49:01.000 That's why this was specifically so egregious. 0.70

00:49:02.000 And she was collaborating with the government of China.

00:49:05.000 That's what the charge is here.

00:49:06.000 But you see, I mean, Ilhan Omar literally gets up and she's like, I'm fighting for the Somali community.

00:49:12.000 And it's like, okay, Somalia is not a global adversary.

00:49:14.000 But again, does raise the question, what are you doing here then? 0.64

00:49:18.000 You know, if you're not here to serve Americans, if you're not here to serve your constituents, you're here to serve Somalis.

00:49:23.000 It's a very salient question because, you know, whether we like it or not, in the same state of California, Steve Hilton running for governor there, he's not like getting up and saying, I'm going to fight for the British community in California.

00:49:32.000 It's like, you know, it's just a tough conversation to have, but we need to be a little realistic here.

00:49:37.000 It's like, again, if someone, Is born in China and they're a little bit vague or opaque on these types of issues.

00:49:43.000 It's worth a second look.

00:49:44.000 I mean, that's happened a bunch of times.

00:49:45.000 We saw in New York City a few years ago where a bunch of NYPD officers that were Chinese born got busted for CCP ties.

00:49:50.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 Well, I mean, there's been the discussion of people in the House of Representatives and the Senate should not be able to hold dual citizenship.

00:49:58.000 Should that, first of all, be enacted absolutely a thousand percent?

00:50:02.000 But should that trickle down to the local level as well?

00:50:04.000 Like you really need to prove that you're loyal to America and only America and Even more so, your local community.

00:50:12.000 Everything starts at the community level and just moves up from there.

00:50:16.000 Her campaign manager, also, by the way, is Yao Ning Sun, is serving a four year prison sentence as well.

00:50:22.000 So, her campaign manager, so there's a couple people involved.

00:50:24.000 It's not just her, it's a group.

00:50:26.000 And it's so tricky because, again, this is Arcadia, California, which I'd never even heard of.

00:50:30.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:50:31.000 I understand the concern, but how sharp of a propaganda sword is she really going to wield in Arcadia, California?

00:50:38.000 That's terrible talk, my friend, because they start small and they build themselves up.

00:50:42.000 In California?

00:50:43.000 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 Let them deal with themselves.

00:50:45.000 They're in America.

00:50:46.000 I don't care what state they're in.

00:50:47.000 My interjection here would be that, again, the CCP is actually quite clever here with where, let's just say she was operating as a provocateur.

00:50:54.000 They were directing her political career, which I don't think is true.

00:50:56.000 I think she had overlapping interests and ended up working with the CCP.

00:50:59.000 But again, the reason I say no one's ever heard of Arcadia is because no one would be looking there.

00:51:03.000 Again, if Eileen Wang became mayor of Los Angeles, that'd be a lot more high profile.

00:51:08.000 You would probably have people combing through her story a lot more extensively.

00:51:12.000 And we would have found this out a lot earlier.

00:51:14.000 My concern is that, again, people are able to operate away from the limelight.

00:51:18.000 She's not high profile at all.

00:51:19.000 Again, no one's ever heard of this town or the suburb or whatever. 0.97

00:51:21.000 No offense if you're an Arcadian. 1.00

00:51:22.000 Let's just be honest.

00:51:23.000 It's right in the heart of Arcadia.

00:51:24.000 It's 13 miles northeast of LA.

00:51:24.000 It's near LA.

00:51:26.000 I didn't know that.

00:51:27.000 It's like, unless you are from the area.

00:51:31.000 So it's not consequential at the national level.

00:51:34.000 But again, if they're able to control bite sized chunks of the country, that's a bigger problem.

00:51:38.000 It's close to LA. 0.73

00:51:40.000 And there's a couple things that come to mind for me as to the rationale as to why China would be interested in that.

00:51:46.000 I mean, the majority of our elected officials started at the local level as a city councilman or a local mayor.

00:51:52.000 So you get in with them early.

00:51:53.000 They move up through the political food chain, and eventually you have a senator or a president who is beholden to China.

00:52:01.000 But then also you look at what is the city council and mayor?

00:52:04.000 Like, what do they do?

00:52:05.000 What are they in charge of?

00:52:06.000 Let's say you have an American company trying to get a permit to build a data center or build a factory or something.

00:52:11.000 The mayor can veto that, the mayor can mess with that, give preference to a Chinese company.

00:52:15.000 So there's like little things that they can do.

00:52:17.000 But I think really they're just playing the long game.

00:52:19.000 I think Swalwell even started out as a city councilman, not to circle back to him, but he's just too funny. 0.53

00:52:26.000 What was he dating a Chinese spy?

00:52:27.000 That's right.

00:52:28.000 Is that what he was saying?

00:52:28.000 Fang Fang?

00:52:29.000 Yeah, but while he was married as well, I think.

00:52:31.000 And then he gave her a state seat.

00:52:32.000 Was he giving her secrets or was it just dating a Chinese spy is enough? 0.65

00:52:36.000 I don't know what their pillow talk was, but apparently dating a Chinese spy was not enough because he didn't really suffer any consequences from it until the video of him with some random hooker came out.

00:52:46.000 Clearly, the least perverse person working for the federal government.

00:52:49.000 I was going to say that's the same thing as, like, we'll just take Britain.

00:52:49.000 Yeah.

00:52:53.000 England, for example, you start small, like with their Muslim community and the Pakistanis, and for people, South Asians, you start small and you build and you build and you build and you build and then you take over. 1.00

00:53:04.000 And we can't be having that in America. 1.00

00:53:05.000 I'm not, we're not going to, we can't allow it, and I will not stand by it. 0.99

00:53:09.000 This is why it's so concerning when you see, again, like ethnic voting blocs, because, again, they may be able to just participate in the system as it is, as it stands, you know, as like 2026 terms. 0.99

00:53:18.000 The UK is a great example where, again, they experienced large scale mass migration. 0.74

00:53:22.000 A lot of these people came from Islamic countries and they came to the United Kingdom.

00:53:25.000 And the share of like foreign born or foreign heritage in the UK is far lower than the United States.

00:53:32.000 So, you know, the United States, you might start to see this mobilization occur.

00:53:35.000 Last local elections in the UK was last weekend.

00:53:37.000 Oh, geez. 0.66

00:53:38.000 Again, the Muslim migrants to Britain primarily voted for the Labor Party, which would be the analog for maybe the Democrat Party in the United States. 0.62

00:53:44.000 They're varying depending on who's in charge, left wing to center left.

00:53:47.000 The Muslims are fine voting for this Labor Party for a long time.

00:53:51.000 But again, they would make statements that people on the right would point to and said, hey, these guys are planning on mobilizing.

00:53:56.000 It's not going to be like a global infantata, it's going to be just influencing your government to benefit that community.

00:54:02.000 What we saw in the last local elections is quite literally a Muslim sovereignty party got maybe 200 local councillors elected, which would be the equivalent of city councillors in the United States. 0.62

00:54:12.000 That's insane. 0.95

00:54:13.000 There's like a literal party for Islamic fundamentalism. 0.87

00:54:17.000 Is this to say that we should be worried about strictly an Islamic takeover? 0.80

00:54:21.000 Maybe, maybe not. 0.99

00:54:22.000 My point I'm making here is that, again, we should fear foreign blocs coming to our countries and then advocating for their own policy above their adopted countrymen. 0.98

00:54:31.000 You're seeing this in the United States all the time. 1.00

00:54:32.000 Tyler Olivera was talking about it.

00:54:33.000 I mean, you know, he's talking to Somalis, Yemenis. 1.00

00:54:37.000 I'm sorry, the Hasidics in New York. 1.00

00:54:39.000 Big problem. 1.00

00:54:40.000 Like, I know it's like a taboo to say, but let's be honest here.

00:54:40.000 I'm sorry.

00:54:43.000 It's a big problem.

00:54:43.000 It's something I. Kind of bite my tongue about asking guests if they come on if they're Jewish.

00:54:47.000 I'm like, do you think of yourself as an American Jew or a Jewish American?

00:54:52.000 Well, great Judar, because I was born Jewish and raised Jewish.

00:54:56.000 I was never a bar mitzvah, though, so I'm technically not a man. 0.69

00:54:59.000 Explains my sense of humor.

00:55:01.000 But no, I think of myself as an American.

00:55:03.000 I grew up here.

00:55:04.000 This is all I've ever known.

00:55:05.000 I've never been to Israel. 0.59

00:55:07.000 I never took the birthright trip.

00:55:08.000 I thought about going a couple of years ago before October 7th and regret not going to pre October 7th Israel because it's different now.

00:55:17.000 But yeah, I think of myself as an American, as you should.

00:55:20.000 You live here.

00:55:20.000 That's one of the beauties.

00:55:22.000 When I come across a person that's like, I'm an American Jew, I'm like, well, what's your allegiance then?

00:55:27.000 And it's okay.

00:55:27.000 It's America.

00:55:28.000 Like, Judaism isn't an allegiance. 0.91

00:55:29.000 You don't have allegiance to Israel if you're Jewish, but then somehow they try and make you think you do. 0.58

00:55:34.000 So you're like beholden to, are you supposed to be beholden to another country if you think of yourself as a Jew above all else?

00:55:38.000 I don't like that. 1.00

00:55:39.000 Well, it depends on the Jew. 1.00

00:55:40.000 Yeah.

00:55:41.000 I mean, let's start granular here because obviously, like, what I brought up was the Hasidic community in Brooklyn. 0.91

00:55:45.000 And again, if you can't differentiate between like a Hasidic and like Jerry Seinfeld, Then you probably shouldn't be participating in the conversation because there's like two dramatically different groups of people.

00:55:53.000 And again, like people just have poor understandings of like demographics, how these things work, et cetera, et cetera. 0.93

00:55:59.000 Where again, like you would be indistinguishable from any other American, even someone like Jerry Seinfeld, like very well integrated and ingrained in American society versus again, like Hasidic Jewish people, which is a specific sect of Judaism that again, they're extrapolating exorbitant amounts of welfare money from the taxpayer. 0.82

00:56:16.000 They refuse to assimilate, they've been here three, four generations, and they refuse to do business with. 0.94

00:56:20.000 Americans, they literally refer to us as outsiders.

00:56:22.000 They have their own police force.

00:56:24.000 They have their own police force. 1.00

00:56:25.000 So, again, I'm just contesting the idea that we should tolerate like ethnic blocs existing in the United States. 1.00

00:56:30.000 Does that mean the federal government should go there and bust it up? 0.99

00:56:32.000 No, I'm just saying that people have the right to be upset when groups come to this country promising that they're going to participate in the American Social Compact and then they don't.

00:56:40.000 They get here and just do their own thing. 0.98

00:56:41.000 We're talking about like Somalia. 1.00

00:56:43.000 Everyone on the right was comfortable chest beating over Somalis. 0.99

00:56:45.000 But then as soon as Talal Arvera went to, you know, Curious Joel in New York, all of a sudden it was a big problem. 0.78

00:56:50.000 And I'm just saying, I, We got to be consistent across all of these. 0.57

00:56:52.000 Again, America, majority Christian, the Amish, everyone's like, what about the Amish? 0.74

00:56:58.000 The Amish refuse to take any American taxpayer dollar. 1.00

00:57:01.000 They just moved out to the country. 1.00

00:57:02.000 They're an afterthought. 1.00

00:57:03.000 No offense to the Amish, but they're not even watching that. 0.94

00:57:05.000 No offense.

00:57:06.000 They're not watching.

00:57:06.000 Are there American enclaves of Australians or of Irish?

00:57:12.000 Does that exist anymore? 0.95

00:57:13.000 Because they all speak English, they just diaspora? 1.00

00:57:15.000 No, yeah. 1.00

00:57:15.000 And that goes back to my original point is like, okay, who is going to be more assimilable into the United States? 1.00

00:57:19.000 Well, the fact that we don't really have any Australian or British or Irish blocs that advocate for their own people indicates that they assimilate quite well.

00:57:27.000 And Australians come here.

00:57:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:29.000 What's it?

00:57:30.000 Boston's pretty close. 1.00

00:57:31.000 I feel like if a group of Australians get here, they'd be like, all right. 1.00

00:57:34.000 I'm getting away. 1.00

00:57:35.000 I'm out.

00:57:36.000 I'm going to the prom. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Like, they want to immigrate. 1.00

00:57:38.000 They want to integrate.

00:57:40.000 Most, I mean, I think of them as Americans already, like Americans with a funny accent.

00:57:40.000 Yeah.

00:57:44.000 No offense, guys.

00:57:45.000 I know I'm the one with a weird accent, but then some cultures, they stick together because they don't speak the language.

00:57:50.000 That's a big part of it.

00:57:51.000 They're afraid of the outside because they don't understand it.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 But then some of them do speak the language and they still isolate. 0.99

00:57:57.000 And I don't, like, maybe you're speaking about the Hasidics. 1.00

00:57:59.000 I don't know their languages.

00:58:00.000 What's Yiddish?

00:58:01.000 Do they speak English as well?

00:58:03.000 Some.

00:58:03.000 So it's a lot of it's a language barrier?

00:58:06.000 I remember, like, I used to live in, like, Brooklyn, and I would see school buses that had Hebrew on them.

00:58:11.000 It's Yiddish, yeah.

00:58:11.000 So it's a Hebrew school bus.

00:58:12.000 Yeah, I was like, wow.

00:58:13.000 They have their own school buses.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, it's insane. 1.00

00:58:16.000 And, like, this is why we have to have a sensible immigration. 1.00

00:58:19.000 I know we've been hitting on it all show, but it's so true because I think about myself.

00:58:21.000 If I were to move to Australia, if I were to move to Britain, if I were to move to Ireland, it would be quite easy for me to assimilate into local life.

00:58:27.000 My accent would be different.

00:58:28.000 That would be about it.

00:58:29.000 I would assimilate quite quickly.

00:58:30.000 Now, if I moved to Algeria, I'd be pretty freaked out. 0.99

00:58:34.000 I would refuse to assimilate most likely, and I would, like, require my kids to, like, Sort of be brought up in my cultural tastes, my cultural customs, et cetera, et cetera, because it's very exotic. 1.00

00:58:45.000 And the reason that is a good reason for why Algeria should reject me if I ever seek to immigrate there, because it's very sensible for me to view a very exotic culture as potentially adversarial to my core values and my core beliefs. 0.90

00:58:57.000 So we just had to flip flop the other way around. 1.00

00:59:00.000 That's just the reality of the situation is okay, if I move to Greece, you know, would I assimilate?

00:59:05.000 It'd be difficult for me to grasp the language, but at least it would be a slightly, it would be a little bit less of a barrier than it would be if I moved.

00:59:05.000 Maybe a little bit.

00:59:11.000 To China. 1.00

00:59:11.000 I would never be Chinese ever. 1.00

00:59:13.000 It'd be impossible for me to assimilate there. 1.00

00:59:13.000 It would never happen. 1.00

00:59:16.000 I tried in South America and Chile, but they just kept calling me Thor.

00:59:21.000 It was so stressful not speaking the language.

00:59:24.000 I couldn't do any, I couldn't start a business.

00:59:26.000 I was trying to start a graphene company.

00:59:27.000 It was next to impossible.

00:59:28.000 I couldn't even communicate with the investors.

00:59:30.000 I had to get a guy to speak Spanish to the guy, and he couldn't talk about what I believed.

00:59:34.000 And so it was impossible to get the thing off the ground.

00:59:37.000 I can't.

00:59:38.000 Trying to turn that around and think about what these people are going through.

00:59:40.000 But I guess it's just better because what I would say is like use the internet. 0.96

00:59:43.000 If you want to change the culture of the United States to To Yiddish or to Somali or whatever the freak you're doing, use the internet. 0.87

00:59:49.000 Don't come here and disrupt from the inside or there's going to be problems. 0.99

00:59:53.000 But then if they don't come here, then they don't get the benefits of being here.

00:59:56.000 So I understand why you came here.

00:59:58.000 Well, and I think you're making a really good point is we can't necessarily be channeling all of our outrage at the people that were just following a very natural incentive structure, which was the border was wide open.

00:59:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:08.000 There was zero impetus for them to assimilate.

01:00:10.000 So they took that chance.

01:00:11.000 Again, I'm more upset at our lawmakers and the people that cheered them on when they were advocating for this suicidal. Immigration policy.

01:00:18.000 I'm far more upset with them. 1.00

01:00:20.000 Same thing in Britain.

01:00:21.000 I mean, okay, yes, you can be upset, especially at the ones that are committing crimes, but broadly, most of your ire should be directed at your lawmakers that allowed this to happen.

01:00:28.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 Because again, these people were following very natural incentive structures.

01:00:32.000 The border was wide open, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

01:00:34.000 There were all these benefits extended to them.

01:00:36.000 I mean, yeah, that's obviously what they would do.

01:00:37.000 For sure.

01:00:38.000 And the NGOs, whatever else, the NGOs, all the people that cheered them off.

01:00:41.000 Catholic charities, that's why Catholics are great, but they have some issues because they brought them up here a lot.

01:00:48.000 Yeah.

01:00:49.000 Well, even in the Jewish community, HAIS, I think, they're a big NGO that really, really pushes immigration.

01:00:57.000 I think even Laura Loomer dug into them.

01:00:59.000 Like, that's how corrupt that is. 0.93

01:01:01.000 That's how bad it got.

01:01:03.000 You know, if Laura Loomer's, you got a problem.

01:01:07.000 Yeah, it is important to stay focused on anger at the policies and the non governmental organizations and not the individuals, man, because that's like you were saying earlier, like COINTELPRO. 0.97

01:01:17.000 You want to get a global revolution and you want to topple the United States, get them to go at each other from the inside, and then get them to beg for technocracy to spy on these foreigners, you know, that crap.

01:01:28.000 I don't want to say it like it's got to be careful with even joking about it or hypothesizing it because it could happen.

01:01:33.000 Speaking of new existence.

01:01:35.000 Yeah, well, let me make another attempt.

01:01:37.000 Let me make another attempt of segueing into a segment that is not immigration focused.

01:01:37.000 I failed on the last one.

01:01:41.000 It's my fault.

01:01:42.000 I love talking about it.

01:01:43.000 From the Gateway pundit, breaking two high level White House insiders caught on undercover video bragging about internal subversion against President Trump.

01:01:53.000 One has been placed on leave.

01:01:55.000 The O'Keeffe Media Group on Tuesday released undercover video of White House insiders bragging about an internal subversion against President Trump.

01:02:02.000 Maxime Lott, a special assistant to President Trump on the White House Domestic Policy Council, admitted to the OMG.

01:02:08.000 I love that their initials are OMG, by the way.

01:02:10.000 The OMG undercover journalist that domestic policy decisions are often made based on what, quote, feels like a good idea.

01:02:17.000 He continued, in theory, everything should come from the president, but it might come from the level below him, Trump, where they're like.

01:02:26.000 I think I know the president well enough to say what he would say on this.

01:02:30.000 Benjamin Elliston, a budget analysis manager within the executive office of the president, expressed, quote, we have to get rid of Trump.

01:02:37.000 He's, talking about Trump, effing it up for everybody.

01:02:40.000 We've got to get rid of him.

01:02:42.000 The O'Keeffe media group continued here.

01:02:45.000 Maxime Wand, et cetera, et cetera, admitted.

01:02:48.000 Lott reveals that White House officials frequently make decisions based on their own interpretation of Trump's preferences, stating, I think I know what the president well enough to see what he would say on this.

01:02:56.000 So, again, this is what we all discussed.

01:02:58.000 I'm going to play this video here from James O'Keeffe.

01:03:00.000 This is really some shocking stuff here.

01:03:02.000 Take a look at this.

01:03:03.000 Decision making processes are a little bit.

01:03:07.000 A White House policy advisor opens up about the internal decision making processes.

01:03:07.000 Okay.

01:03:12.000 Throughout the White House.

01:03:14.000 I think it's just the overall tone and, like, you know, the government right now is a little bit like, I don't want to be very, like, pressured to fix itself.

01:03:22.000 Maxim Lott even acknowledges that officials below Trump will often make decisions for the president, presuming what his stance would be.

01:03:31.000 In theory, everything he said sort of comes to the president.

01:03:34.000 Yeah.

01:03:34.000 But it might come from the level below him where they're like, they're like, I think I know the president well enough to say what he would say on this.

01:03:44.000 So, okay.

01:03:46.000 It's 15 minutes of this.

01:03:47.000 I don't know Maxime Lott.

01:03:48.000 I don't know what his policies are.

01:03:49.000 I could potentially have overlapping policy positions with him.

01:03:52.000 My first contention is can we please stop spilling our guts to journalists because we're on a date and then we just spill our guts to this woman and presuming that, again, first of all, that your date would care?

01:04:02.000 Like, hello, what are we doing here? 0.96

01:04:03.000 What kind of Riz is that? 1.00

01:04:04.000 That's L Riz. 0.98

01:04:05.000 So, again, I'm not necessarily even making the contention that Maxime Lott is behaving subversively here because, again, I don't know specifically what his policy proposals are.

01:04:15.000 So, I'm exonerating myself from this.

01:04:17.000 He could potentially be a great guy.

01:04:18.000 The problem here is the principle, the idea that there are Trump staffers that feel comfortable enough to openly admit that they are making decisions, policy making decisions based off of what they think Trump would make.

01:04:29.000 It's also an indication that the centralized authority of the president is not like it's a big, a lot of governance that has to go through this one guy that doesn't have time for it, apparently.

01:04:40.000 That's why I don't find this even remotely scandalous or revelatory.

01:04:44.000 I mean, I assume this is what's happening, what these people are saying.

01:04:48.000 But I mean, they're talking about it trickling up, sort of.

01:04:50.000 That's kind of strange because I thought we were.

01:04:52.000 Governed by a permanent unelected bureaucracy behind the scenes that's never held to account for anything.

01:04:58.000 So, we're taking the power back.

01:04:59.000 I mean, because look, here's at least as I see it, the fundamental problem here is you would expect cabinet officials to say something like this because, again, they were appointed by Trump.

01:04:59.000 Yeah.

01:05:09.000 They were appointed by Trump because of their expertise in said department and what they would be overseeing.

01:05:14.000 So, again, it would make sense.

01:05:15.000 I don't know, Brooke Rollins, USDA administer, it would make sense that she does operate with a bit of autonomy because, again, President Trump has put her in that position, presuming that she will carry out his agenda in that position.

01:05:26.000 And if she ever ceased to do that, she would be reprimanded or removed from her position.

01:05:29.000 We've seen this countless times.

01:05:31.000 It is a little concerning here that, again, I don't know anything about Maxime Lott.

01:05:36.000 He could have some fantastic policies.

01:05:38.000 I'm not dragging the guy.

01:05:39.000 I am saying that the principle here is a bit concerning that they feel comfortable enough to operate like this because we have seen sometimes throughout President Trump's administration that some of these policymakers, especially in Trump one, it's not as big of a problem in Trump two, but in Trump one, we did have a lot of rogue policymakers.

01:05:59.000 It was very real.

01:06:00.000 And, okay, yes, the unelected bureaucrat problem is a problem, but again, we're talking about Is President Trump going to be able to oversee every single thing going on?

01:06:07.000 No, that's why he has cabinet officials.

01:06:09.000 That's why he has appointees, et cetera.

01:06:10.000 But on domestic policy, that should be something that Trump and his trusted circle should be dictating.

01:06:15.000 You're Stephen Miller's, you know, these sorts of people.

01:06:17.000 So I don't know what you guys make of all this.

01:06:20.000 What are you saying?

01:06:20.000 Scale it.

01:06:21.000 I was going to say, yeah, there's delegation.

01:06:24.000 I agree with what you're saying, Tate.

01:06:26.000 Say if Ian wanted me to build a bat house and he's like, put a bat house over there, put a bat house over there so we can get bats at night.

01:06:33.000 They can kill our mosquitoes.

01:06:35.000 And I'm building it and I make it. 1.00

01:06:37.000 And I don't know where exactly to put it, so I might use my own judgment to put the bat house right here and this one over there. 1.00

01:06:44.000 I mean, this is a whole different scale because we don't know what's exactly going on. 1.00

01:06:48.000 We just know what the dude said.

01:06:49.000 Sure.

01:06:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:51.000 So maybe we can go in that.

01:06:52.000 I mean, it's very salacious.

01:06:53.000 And if you went to Mark, you also, and we're like, Ian's messing it up.

01:06:58.000 We got to get rid of Ian, man.

01:06:59.000 This birdhouse thing.

01:07:00.000 I'm just doing the, like, that's what these guys are talking about. 0.99

01:07:02.000 They're talking crap about. 0.98

01:07:03.000 If you're talking crap about me after you're building my beautiful birdhouse, I'd be very upset. 0.99

01:07:08.000 Bat house, by the way. 0.99

01:07:09.000 Your bat house, your bat house. 1.00

01:07:10.000 I would suggest that you build a bat cave, to be honest. 1.00

01:07:14.000 Yeah, where. 1.00

01:07:15.000 See, I knew you would like that.

01:07:16.000 See, this is why I should be your specialist.

01:07:17.000 You're fired.

01:07:18.000 You're fired.

01:07:19.000 You see what happened?

01:07:21.000 We need more of these specialists.

01:07:21.000 Build tunnels.

01:07:25.000 I mean, look, Maxime Lott, he's likely a Trump appointee.

01:07:29.000 So I think it would be safe to say that the way he's conducted himself would probably be in line with the Trump agenda broadly.

01:07:34.000 But you brought up unelected bureaucrats.

01:07:36.000 There are a lot of people, you can ask anyone that works in the admin, they have to work with people that are not on board with the Trump agenda.

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:42.000 Do they feel empowered to conduct themselves in this manner?

01:07:44.000 Because again, I don't think this is scandalous, what Maxim Lott has said here.

01:07:47.000 And I don't think this is really an indictment necessarily of what he's saying.

01:07:50.000 I think it's more of an indictment of the general culture of how the White House operates.

01:07:53.000 This would have been a problem under Biden, would have been a problem under Trump, would have been a problem under Obama.

01:07:57.000 Is again, do bureaucrats who are not Trump appointees, that were not signed off on when people voted for President Trump, do they feel empowered to conduct themselves in this manner?

01:08:06.000 That is concerning.

01:08:06.000 Are they discreetly subverting the Trump administration at times?

01:08:09.000 That's a possibility.

01:08:10.000 I'm not entirely sure.

01:08:11.000 That's 100%.

01:08:11.000 No, that's not a possibility.

01:08:13.000 I mean, I can almost guarantee it that they're doing one little thing, this or that, dotting one T, missing one comma, or anything else that they're going to do any kind of subvert anything they can if they don't, if not in with the Trump program.

01:08:24.000 And technically, if there's a 100% chance of something occurring, it is possible.

01:08:29.000 So you're both right.

01:08:31.000 I did agree with them, but yeah.

01:08:33.000 Yeah, I was being a little neurotic there.

01:08:35.000 I think so.

01:08:36.000 I think this is what you call deep state.

01:08:38.000 This is administrative overreach, administrative authority, where they just take it.

01:08:41.000 And some people probably think, like, I have one chance at this, and Trump is.

01:08:46.000 A demagogue.

01:08:47.000 I have to do this now for the good of the people.

01:08:49.000 Who knows how cyclical or how twisted people's reasoning can be when they're justifying their behaviors.

01:08:56.000 And maybe some people are actually doing it and it's helping.

01:08:58.000 Yeah.

01:08:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:59.000 Well, and like, my concern wouldn't be so much the White House Domestic Policy Council.

01:09:03.000 I imagine everyone there is on board.

01:09:04.000 And again, if you're sticking your head out to advocate for something that would not be in line with the Trump administration's, you know, popular agenda, so to speak, you'd probably get canned pretty quickly.

01:09:13.000 My concern would more be on the Intel side, because this is where we know that there's a lot of rogue bureaucrats, rogue Intel actors.

01:09:19.000 And again, that is where they're able to shape policy in ways that really slide under our noses.

01:09:25.000 That can be concerning. 0.99

01:09:26.000 I mean, this is why the Trump administration is trying to clean house with FSOs.

01:09:30.000 You know, these are our agents that we dispatch to, you know, conduct American diplomacy overseas and these sorts of things.

01:09:37.000 That's a lot of positions that you have to overturn.

01:09:39.000 So they are dependent to some degree.

01:09:41.000 It's getting better, but they were dependent for a long time on career guys.

01:09:44.000 And career guys have their own agenda.

01:09:46.000 Career guys are not signed off on by the American people when they're elected.

01:09:49.000 And the intel apparatus is littered with them. 0.99

01:09:51.000 Now, Tulsi Gabbard, obviously, we've seen stories where she has attempted to clean house.

01:09:55.000 But again, you only have access to so much personnel.

01:09:56.000 There's a lot of things that need to get done and that runs the risk of, again, these people that just feel like, Hey, it's kind of the culture down here to just kind of, oh, I'm doing this.

01:10:04.000 You know, President Trump would be totally in line with this and then conduct operations, you know, in a variety of ways that would be drastically out of step.

01:10:11.000 Well, the intelligence community is essentially a de facto fourth branch of government at this point.

01:10:15.000 I mean, especially when you look at the integration with Palantir, you know, Peter Thiel's past association with JD Vance.

01:10:22.000 Really, like Palantir, their big thing right now that they're looking for is reauthorization of the FISA 702 authority.

01:10:28.000 That's the warrantless mass metadata collection that sweeps up everyone's communications.

01:10:35.000 And you look at the last time that came up, and JD Vance abstained from voting, he didn't vote yes or no.

01:10:39.000 And so that gives me a little bit of pause.

01:10:41.000 Like, is he actually going to affect change and actually like push people away from that sort of thing, or is he going to be beholden to the billionaire class?

01:10:49.000 But it's just Peter Thiel instead of George Soros.

01:10:53.000 Is that I hear people, I hear he's a right hand man, or maybe like his mentor is Peter Thiel in certain aspects.

01:11:02.000 Like, that can be very bad for us as a country if he's if it's you love technocracy.

01:11:08.000 If his main goal is to follow what this gentleman says, what Peter Thiel says, instead of what the American people say, well, it's kind of a difficult subject to approach because, again, best case scenario, you have zero billionaires influencing politics.

01:11:22.000 Obviously, that'd be a best case scenario.

01:11:23.000 We go back to the way that our country was constructed.

01:11:26.000 The situation that we're in, where, again, we do have a security apparatus, we do have an intel apparatus, we have a surveillance apparatus, whether we like it or not, is a company like Palantir, is this person like Peter Thiel more or less amenable to the desires of conservatives than.

01:11:41.000 Basically, any of the other offerings.

01:11:42.000 Because the way I view it, at least, is that you have to view it like a vacuum.

01:11:45.000 If Palantir, you know, if we truly united against Palantir and pushed them out of any influence in the US government, does Meta or Alphabet not just step in and absorb that vacuum?

01:11:53.000 I mean, that's the way I view it, where I'm like, okay, well, at least, and I'm not like running cover for Palantir.

01:11:57.000 I'm just trying to be like, you know, I try to look at this objectively.

01:12:01.000 At least they're amenable to, again, popular conservative policymaking.

01:12:06.000 At least they seem to, again, maybe push things in our direction from time to time versus, again, the United States, whether we like it or not, they're going to scrape data.

01:12:14.000 That's just the way the world works.

01:12:16.000 Is it would rather have, like, I don't know, a Bill Gates or a Mark Zuckerberg overseeing that operation or potentially figures that we don't even know?

01:12:21.000 I don't know.

01:12:21.000 This is why I'm postulating this out loud.

01:12:23.000 I think about it every day, dude.

01:12:24.000 Almost every day.

01:12:25.000 Almost every day.

01:12:26.000 The CCP could be the one, like, if the vacuum, if we were to say, like, hey, no more spying in America, none, somebody's going to do it.

01:12:34.000 And then we're disempowered because our own government doesn't have the access to the data.

01:12:38.000 And there's a lot of things in the United States that want to destroy the United States that it's kind of good that our government knows about.

01:12:44.000 I'd love to hear what your take is on it, Mark.

01:12:46.000 I don't know.

01:12:47.000 It's tricky.

01:12:48.000 I don't want to be like, make like a King Solomon analogy or anything.

01:12:48.000 It's tricky.

01:12:52.000 We have to split the baby.

01:12:53.000 But really, America is founded on privacy.

01:12:57.000 That is one of the core tenants.

01:12:59.000 And we essentially don't have it anymore.

01:13:02.000 And, you know, I think it's bad that the government's doing these things, but much to your point, there's private corporations doing this as well.

01:13:09.000 There's so many data aggregators that are scraping, excuse me, scraping everything that you do online and packaging it up and selling it to the highest bidder.

01:13:19.000 So it's like, do I want the government doing that or do I want a private corporation profiting off of it?

01:13:25.000 And right now we have both.

01:13:26.000 Yeah.

01:13:27.000 So.

01:13:28.000 I don't.

01:13:29.000 I and do we want a pure privacy area like per privacy?

01:13:33.000 Like, you cannot.

01:13:35.000 I mean, this is terrible thing to say, maybe.

01:13:37.000 Do you do we not want anyone looking in on our people who might be terracelles or doing terrible things like they're behind a wall?

01:13:43.000 Nobody knows what's going on, and then they could come around the wall and do and then do what they do, right?

01:13:48.000 I think so.

01:13:49.000 Last night when we were talking, me and Brett, Brett Weinstein, I was talking about uh, he was like, we need a like a digital second amendment.

01:13:55.000 What would that look like?

01:13:56.000 And I said, I think that would be like everyone has access to their own personal artificial intelligence off the grid that gives you.

01:14:02.000 Completely unchained, unlocked data.

01:14:05.000 You can be like, how do I make this dangerous thing?

01:14:08.000 How can I do this horrible thing?

01:14:09.000 And it will tell you everything.

01:14:10.000 And that's your arm against the digital overlord system.

01:14:16.000 But then we wouldn't know what people are doing.

01:14:18.000 And they could be making the most devastating weapons in secret and no one would know.

01:14:23.000 But that kind of feels like the American way.

01:14:26.000 Yeah.

01:14:26.000 I mean, we should be allowed to have nuclear weapons as private citizens.

01:14:29.000 And you're supposed to have parity with the military.

01:14:31.000 I think that was the true intent of the Second Amendment.

01:14:34.000 Granted, they couldn't think of nuclear bombs at that point in time.

01:14:37.000 Someone's like running your pockets and I'm like, I'm going to nuke you if you don't get your wallet.

01:14:43.000 But I mean, I don't know if there's really a solution because, much to your point, you should be able to track down bad actors.

01:14:43.000 Yeah.

01:14:51.000 You should be able to figure out when people are planning something that is bad that is going to hurt American citizens.

01:14:56.000 But at the same time, you shouldn't just willy nilly scrape up every single bit of information, put it on an NSA server in Utah, mask it, and You know, have the ability at some point in the future to get a warrant and go back through time and look at all of that information that was collected outside of the warrant, but the warrant applies retroactively.

01:15:16.000 That is the current FISA system.

01:15:18.000 Yeah.

01:15:18.000 And that's not constitutional, but I guess it technically is because Congress voted on it because freedom.

01:15:24.000 I don't know.

01:15:26.000 And it's one of those difficult conundrums because it's like once you instigate, once you start a boss fight, you can't walk away from the boss fight.

01:15:32.000 A good example I would use for this is again, you have a lot of people who are deeply concerned about the surveillance state, they're deeply concerned about all these things.

01:15:38.000 Totally agree.

01:15:38.000 And I think.

01:15:39.000 There's a concern.

01:15:40.000 It's sad that we're in this moment.

01:15:41.000 But following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, everyone was clamoring for a massive crackdown on left wing agitators, Antifa, et cetera, et cetera.

01:15:49.000 But then they simultaneously held both positions.

01:15:51.000 And I'm like, what do you think a crackdown is going to entail?

01:15:54.000 Door knocking, police like randomly door knocking?

01:15:56.000 No, it's going to be data collection.

01:15:58.000 They're going to determine who's talking to who.

01:16:00.000 They're going to wiretap phones, investigate any potential terror blocks, these sorts of things.

01:16:05.000 And that's just the reality of the world we live in.

01:16:07.000 In the same instance where it's like, I understand the apprehension to AI.

01:16:11.000 The problem is, We can, as a society, decide we're going to take our foot off the gas.

01:16:15.000 We're going to return to the 1990s. 0.98

01:16:16.000 China is not.

01:16:18.000 And again, if you start falling behind in technological races, they're not going to say, oh, okay, well, the U.S. gave up, so we can chill now.

01:16:25.000 No, that's just not how it works.

01:16:26.000 It's unfortunate. 0.99

01:16:27.000 I wish it wasn't that way, but at least the way I see it is China can just dominate us in 30, 40 years.

01:16:32.000 Well, you were outsourcing all of our highly advanced technological manufacturing to China, was not the best idea.

01:16:38.000 No kidding.

01:16:38.000 Yeah.

01:16:39.000 Power grids, example one.

01:16:41.000 Are you kidding me?

01:16:41.000 Power grids.

01:16:42.000 Freaking China, they make our parts for a lot of our major power grids, and they can put little, A little switching in, or whatever they want to do to turn it all off. 1.00

01:16:51.000 Yeah, think of all the zero day exploits that are built into devices that are made in Chinese factories, American devices designed. 0.96

01:17:00.000 And a factory in China, they could just sneak something in and keep that to themselves.

01:17:05.000 Like those pagers.

01:17:05.000 I was going to say, when you were saying the surveillance state or how would a crackdown look, it would be like data aggregation, see who's talking to who.

01:17:15.000 I started to think about Boo Kelly and how people were getting locked up for talking to a gang member.

01:17:20.000 And like, That's why I think we got to start slow with this spy tech, deep state technocratic.

01:17:29.000 Because if it goes too hard, if we wait too long and then it becomes really, really desperately abrupt, you will go to prison for talking to someone that was bad.

01:17:38.000 It could be that bad.

01:17:39.000 So I think saying, like you're saying, you can't just say, no, don't, because then someone else will do it.

01:17:46.000 And if we don't, so we have to do it in an ethical way if there's even such a thing.

01:17:51.000 Yeah.

01:17:51.000 Well, it's the same argument that people, conservatives, make on gun control, which is like, Okay, if you ban guns, you know, like let's just say a city of Memphis, right?

01:17:59.000 A city with exceptionally high crime, violent crime. 0.59

01:18:02.000 Well, we're going to ban guns to stop gun crime. 0.70

01:18:04.000 Well, that doesn't stop the criminals. 0.63

01:18:06.000 That just stops the like law abiding citizens who would obey with whatever the law is.

01:18:10.000 I mean, the law says don't murder, so they don't murder.

01:18:13.000 So it's like, again, if you implement gun control, if you implement gun bans, that only impacts people that were already abiding by the law anyway.

01:18:19.000 So it's like you're not actually preventing anything from, you know, any bad actors from acting maliciously.

01:18:24.000 It's kind of the, at least as I see it, the same fundamental principle that we're talking about here, which is, okay, You're stripping it away from people that weren't intending to use it for evil anyway.

01:18:31.000 You're just guaranteeing that, again, like a China or other rogue bad actors gobble up even more power.

01:18:37.000 Mark, you were saying that what's unconstitutional or what should be, what is unconstitutional but is currently legal, which is a weird way to put it, is that they're scraping up mass amounts of data.

01:18:49.000 So, how do you feel about pre crime technology where they only scrape up data if they think they've determined through like artificial intelligence algorithmics that you might or very likely could be a problem?

01:19:00.000 But then I don't know.

01:19:01.000 Just with the fact that we've seen so much AI likes to hallucinate a lot, it likes to aim to please its master, whoever, you know, there's right now somewhere in the world, there is the stupidest person ever typing something into ChatGPT, and ChatGPT is, you're absolutely right.

01:19:18.000 That's a great idea.

01:19:19.000 Does that extend to these government based machines as well?

01:19:24.000 Could there be issues?

01:19:26.000 I don't necessarily like the idea of a pre crime type of thing, especially driven by AI.

01:19:31.000 Yeah, this whole situation we find ourselves in, it's an ironclad finger trap, Chinese finger trap, if you will. 0.77

01:19:36.000 Feng Feng, are we talking about her again? 1.00

01:19:38.000 Feng Feng. 1.00

01:19:39.000 She's the finger trap. 1.00

01:19:41.000 Well, maybe for some.

01:19:43.000 But I do just want to say that I know that my dear friend and colleague Shane Cashman wants desperately to teleport himself into this room and set us all straight on Palantir.

01:19:52.000 And I'll just share one thing that he said on X today that it's one of those things I read it once and I'm never going to forget it.

01:19:56.000 He said that JD Vance is the data center of politicians.

01:20:00.000 When you say we're in a Chinese finger trap, what do you mean exactly?

01:20:00.000 Fantastic.

01:20:04.000 Well, you can't unleash yourself from it.

01:20:07.000 Like we're stuck in this situation.

01:20:09.000 Like Tate was saying, we can't decelerate where we're at.

01:20:12.000 And we have to be very careful about accelerating it.

01:20:14.000 So it's a finger trap.

01:20:15.000 Well, those things, if you try and pull out of it, you can't get out.

01:20:18.000 But if you push in slowly, then you can extricate yourself.

01:20:22.000 That would be a deceleration option in terms of this probably a little wonky metaphor.

01:20:27.000 And that has its drawbacks, too.

01:20:29.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 And this is why I take this sort of contrarian position because on the right, again, the popular.

01:20:35.000 I'm not going to say boogeyman because that's kind of a degrading thing to say, but I just can't think of a better synonym to use here.

01:20:40.000 Why people, again, constantly pointing to Palantir, again, I'm just saying I'm kind of in that boat to some degree is like, well, there's not many options right now.

01:20:50.000 There's not many options.

01:20:51.000 Again, we're speaking in very abstract solutions.

01:20:53.000 Like, well, what if we could have, like, you know, a Faraday cage for our phones or something?

01:20:56.000 It's probably not going to happen with the options, you know, at our disposal right now.

01:20:59.000 Again, democracy is very rigid.

01:21:01.000 Democracy is pretty much impossible to collapse.

01:21:03.000 I mean, South Africa is a great example.

01:21:05.000 South Africa should have collapsed a long time ago.

01:21:06.000 But the way that, again, liberal democracies function, it is very hard to collapse one.

01:21:10.000 So, again, Palantir, you just have to evaluate on its face, articulate what specifically is bad about it and what makes it worse than any of the other data collector shows in town that, again, will just.

01:21:21.000 Let's like gobble up any vacuum left over from Palantir.

01:21:25.000 That's just my question.

01:21:26.000 Again, I don't want any of these companies to exist.

01:21:27.000 I think it's a very traumatic, intrusive thing that data collection is even occurring.

01:21:32.000 It's just my initial point.

01:21:33.000 Once you start the boss battle, you can't really go back.

01:21:36.000 Would you do a world where everyone knew everyone's thoughts?

01:21:40.000 No, that would be terrible.

01:21:42.000 I like human autonomy.

01:21:43.000 I have a very classically American view of privacy.

01:21:47.000 The more the better.

01:21:48.000 What would you say, Mark?

01:21:49.000 I said I would get arrested immediately.

01:21:50.000 I think we all would.

01:21:52.000 Yeah.

01:21:53.000 Oh, there goes that. 0.95

01:21:54.000 Eric, well, he could have stopped Yark Swallow on his tracks. 0.97

01:21:57.000 I used to fantasize about a world where we all could read each other's brains just in. 0.99

01:22:01.000 The hive mind?

01:22:02.000 Yeah.

01:22:02.000 I was like, what better?

01:22:03.000 How else will we curb the chaos and death of tribalism unless we're all one unit?

01:22:08.000 But that's very Borg, you know?

01:22:09.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 I watched the first season of Pluribus as well.

01:22:12.000 It's an Apple TV show about an alien hive mind virus that comes in, and there's a couple people that are resistant to it, but it's very interesting.

01:22:12.000 What's that?

01:22:22.000 And not to go too cliche here, but social media did in some ways allow us to read each other's thoughts, and we realized that.

01:22:27.000 People are filled again, not to sound cliche, but people are a bit more angry than we previously thought that they were.

01:22:33.000 My philosophy is if I have a calm mind and then you have an agitated brain and we meld, you calm down, although I get more agitated.

01:22:42.000 Maybe there would be a balance if enough calm people could be part of a hive mind that it would quell, it would calm people down.

01:22:49.000 And I don't know if people were angry before the internet, they've become angrier, at least in my world, since the internet.

01:22:58.000 Social media world.

01:22:59.000 Because Ian's a very mellow, chill guy, but then all of a sudden he read Raymond's Twitter, and then Raymond, who he thought was a chill guy, is actually really angry.

01:23:06.000 And now you get angry because Raymond's angry.

01:23:08.000 I'm tapping my phone. 1.00

01:23:08.000 What the crap? 1.00

01:23:09.000 Now you're getting arrested from me because of my thoughts. 1.00

01:23:11.000 Yeah.

01:23:12.000 Well, yeah.

01:23:12.000 And further on, an issue with social media is just the commoditization of anger.

01:23:18.000 Like for these companies to be profitable, they have to show an active user base, they have to show engagement.

01:23:23.000 And so their algorithms are going to be built to serve you stuff that's going to piss you off.

01:23:26.000 So you comment on it, and it's just like an endless feedback loop of angry people.

01:23:31.000 Yelling at each other.

01:23:32.000 That's so true.

01:23:33.000 And this is why I want to get to this last story.

01:23:35.000 Originally, we were going to go with Mike Pence, but I don't think that fits in very well.

01:23:37.000 That's the direction I want to keep pontificating on this idea.

01:23:40.000 From the Wall Street Journal SpaceX and Google are in talks to launch data centers in orbit.

01:23:46.000 A deal between the two tech titans would give a boost to SpaceX's business ahead of a historic public listing.

01:23:54.000 A launch deal would put the two companies in a partnership as they gear up to compete on orbital data centers, an unproven technology that SpaceX chief executive Elon Musk has said is the next frontier for his rocket company.

01:24:05.000 This is not my domain, but it sounds like it is Ian Crossan's domain.

01:24:08.000 Well, I love it.

01:24:09.000 I've been thinking about using it since about 2011.

01:24:13.000 It seemed like it was actually feasible to store data in DNA or in glass cubes in orbit.

01:24:19.000 And I just keep picturing like firing a laser from Earth in and like hitting a data center and just getting the data.

01:24:25.000 And then I'm like, maybe they're already out there.

01:24:27.000 Like maybe a species 100 million years ago seeded data centers and we just don't know where they are.

01:24:31.000 Because if we hide data centers underground or out in orbit and then humanity suffers a cataclysmic wipeout on the surface, We wouldn't know they were there for another million years, potentially.

01:24:42.000 Plus, you got to get them off Earth.

01:24:45.000 They're too big, they're loud.

01:24:46.000 I just saw Value Tame it tweeted out how they're buzzing.

01:24:49.000 They're causing people like anxiety from the noise they're making.

01:24:53.000 They're sucking up water.

01:24:54.000 They're pumping.

01:24:55.000 So, space is.

01:24:56.000 I thought, though, that I'd read that they were trying to figure out how to cool these things down.

01:25:00.000 Yeah.

01:25:02.000 Elon Musk did a presentation recently.

01:25:04.000 He was talking about, we talked about this before the show, his all in one chip fab and manufacturing.

01:25:10.000 And he talked a bit about the orbiting data centers.

01:25:13.000 And it sounds like it's just, they're going to have radiators out.

01:25:17.000 In space, just on the dark side of whatever satellite is out there for the cooling to pass everything through.

01:25:23.000 And I agree with you.

01:25:24.000 I think data centers should be moved to space if possible.

01:25:27.000 There's a YouTuber, Ben Jordan, who did a really deep dive into the infrasound that is coming off of these data centers and affecting people that live in the neighborhoods.

01:25:37.000 He's doing a project right now to capture and quantify just how much infrasound is coming out in these neighborhoods, I guess, to organize a class action lawsuit.

01:25:45.000 But it's using up natural resources, it's using up power.

01:25:49.000 In space, you have a solar panel.

01:25:51.000 Unlimited free power from the sun frees up resources on the earth.

01:25:54.000 This also, I feel like it gives vindication when Donald Trump said, The windmills are giving people cancer or something like that.

01:26:00.000 The windmills, because the sound will destroy people.

01:26:04.000 I mean, the dudes that took shell shock in World War I from all the artillery going off, they came back physically broken in a lot of ways.

01:26:11.000 Yeah, you expose people to this kind of, and you're just calling it infrasound, meaning it's below human perception.

01:26:17.000 Yeah, but you can feel it.

01:26:17.000 Is that what it is?

01:26:19.000 And so he showed, he went to some of these neighborhoods right by the data centers and you could just feel something.

01:26:25.000 He had some special microphones, special audio recording equipment.

01:26:28.000 He was able to capture what it sounds like.

01:26:30.000 And it's just this very, very low frequency hum that just messes with you.

01:26:35.000 And these people live in it 24 7.

01:26:37.000 But, you know, we have to be able to make funny pictures with AI.

01:26:40.000 Well, now, to play devil's advocate here, I mean, look, one of the objectives for the American right for some time now has been sort of reindustrializing the United States, right?

01:26:47.000 We want to see an increase in manufacturing, an increase in industry, hard industry, and these sorts of things.

01:26:52.000 Now, you have to ask yourself in 2026, what does hard industry look like?

01:26:55.000 I think.

01:26:56.000 Data centers might be an example of that.

01:26:58.000 And so far as people were used to furniture shops or textile mills or steel mills moving into their towns prior, those left and those towns collapsed.

01:27:07.000 Now, is there an argument to be made that, again, data centers are sort of the 21st century, really 2026, sort of analog for, again, hard industry, reindustrialization?

01:27:17.000 Yeah, because they're going to make chips that are faster and require less electricity.

01:27:21.000 So these giant megalithic buildings are going to become, start to become obsolete, like ghost towns, like the iron, you know, like Akron, Ohio, after the rubber boom of the 1950s.

01:27:29.000 What concerns me, you were talking about.

01:27:31.000 Like the re, this is the new industrial revolution, is the AI revolution.

01:27:35.000 They're putting them in orbit. 0.91

01:27:36.000 So when it orbits over China, does China have a cast of spell to blow it up because it's above their country? 0.77

01:27:42.000 Like it's going to be the reason why now they're going to make the argument that we have to militarize space to protect our data centers. 0.71

01:27:49.000 It's already been done.

01:27:50.000 We did that demonstration.

01:27:52.000 We shot a faulty satellite down from a boat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

01:27:57.000 They fired a missile, it hit a spy satellite that was deorbiting on its own already.

01:28:03.000 But they're like, oh, the tank on it has deadly hydrazine in it.

01:28:07.000 We can't let that potentially land intact. 0.55

01:28:09.000 So we better shoot a missile at it from a boat. 0.98

01:28:12.000 I think that was kind of like a, you know, something measuring contest with China to show, like, we can shoot your stuff down. 0.68

01:28:20.000 It was in orbit at the time? 0.73

01:28:21.000 It was in orbit at the time.

01:28:22.000 They hit it with a missile?

01:28:23.000 It was a missile fired from a boat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

01:28:26.000 Oh, so it wasn't even above the United States.

01:28:28.000 It was just, was it moving towards the United States?

01:28:30.000 And that was their argument.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, and it was already deorbiting.

01:28:32.000 So what you would have to have these things orbit, like, not above China? 0.75

01:28:37.000 Adversarial nations?

01:28:38.000 Can you change orbital?

01:28:39.000 I don't know enough about the thrust, the rocketry.

01:28:42.000 Yeah, well, I think also a calculation on it with other countries is if you shoot something in space, it creates untold amounts of shrapnel and it basically traps you on the planet, destroys a bunch of other things that are in orbit.

01:28:55.000 Because a little piece of glass or a little piece of metal flying at 17,000 miles an hour is going to cause some major problems. 0.68

01:29:02.000 And so I think what's holding them back is almost the same principle with nuclear weapons, mutually assured destruction.

01:29:09.000 If they shoot a satellite in space and it creates all this debris field, They handicap themselves.

01:29:15.000 They can't go back up there.

01:29:16.000 They can't launch their own satellites.

01:29:18.000 They could cause damage to their own satellites.

01:29:20.000 So I think that's what's keeping them in check right now.

01:29:22.000 And potentially in the future, a nation could do some sort of Samson option type thing where they're like, screw it.

01:29:30.000 If I can't do it, no one can.

01:29:31.000 I'm just going to blow this up and let the world handle it.

01:29:34.000 So I think that's what's keeping us safe right now.

01:29:37.000 It seems like the US has won World War.

01:29:40.000 Whatever that World War was that started in 1914, the US won.

01:29:44.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 Now, what's that?

01:29:46.000 Yeah, the Great War has finally come to a close.

01:29:46.000 The Great War.

01:29:49.000 It was the best. 0.78

01:29:49.000 It won the Great War. 0.78

01:29:51.000 But what's next is like robots. 0.86

01:29:54.000 Because I don't think the Chinese or the Russians are going to try and fight this military monolith thing.

01:29:59.000 No one wants to.

01:30:01.000 They don't necessarily like it, but it's the least worst economic system that's ever existed.

01:30:06.000 But I don't know what the next iteration of the Great War is going to look like.

01:30:11.000 I think it's robots.

01:30:12.000 I don't know.

01:30:13.000 Yeah, potential.

01:30:14.000 I mean, I think.

01:30:15.000 Not to quote Alex Jones, I think it's going to be an info war.

01:30:17.000 And I think we're already in it.

01:30:19.000 There's just so many people online trying to subvert each other and subvert ideologies to gain control.

01:30:27.000 And then we have a proxy war between the United States and Russia through the war in Ukraine.

01:30:32.000 I think even Marco Rubio literally said it's a proxy war, which is crazy for Marco Rubio.

01:30:38.000 But respect to him for that.

01:30:39.000 I don't know his angle on it.

01:30:40.000 But we're already in it.

01:30:43.000 We're already in it.

01:30:43.000 We're already seeing the effects of it.

01:30:45.000 And it's an ideological war.

01:30:47.000 It's a war for our minds.

01:30:49.000 You mentioned COINTELPRO before we went live.

01:30:51.000 That's an FBI organization.

01:30:53.000 What is it?

01:30:55.000 What does it stand for?

01:30:55.000 CO.

01:30:58.000 Counterintelligence Program.

01:31:00.000 Counterintelligence Program.

01:31:01.000 They definitely stopped that in 1971, by the way.

01:31:04.000 I don't know why they would have changed the name.

01:31:05.000 Operation Mockingbird has totally stopped as well.

01:31:09.000 There's no people on podcasts or on TV that are given talking points by domestic or foreign nations.

01:31:15.000 Definitely not.

01:31:15.000 Is counterintelligence that just means that we're going to make a false narrative?

01:31:20.000 Well, I think that was the name that they gave it.

01:31:22.000 That was like calling it the Patriot Act when it has the opposite effect.

01:31:27.000 Like in their minds, they were doing the right thing.

01:31:29.000 They were surveilling these groups.

01:31:30.000 It was predominantly black groups in the 60s.

01:31:34.000 This is the operation.

01:31:35.000 I don't know if you heard the story about MLK Jr. receiving a letter in the mail being like, hey, we know you're cheating on your wife. 1.00

01:31:40.000 You better kill yourself. 0.97

01:31:41.000 That was the FBI that wrote that letter and sent it to him. 1.00

01:31:43.000 That was part of COINTELPRO. 0.99

01:31:45.000 And so these black groups were gaining so much power. 0.99

01:31:49.000 And so much cohesion working together, they had to stop it. 0.98

01:31:53.000 And so they had to subvert it by going after a leader of one of them.

01:31:56.000 They would send letters that purported to be from members of other groups to opposing groups to try and start fights between them to stop them from working together.

01:32:06.000 They would bring an agent provocateur to protest, to start drama, to start beating people up, to start looting, to misbehave, to essentially weaken that movement.

01:32:17.000 And we saw something similar with the fall of Occupy Wall Street in the early 2010s.

01:32:22.000 Which coincidentally rises with the fall of Occupy Wall Street, rises with instances of the words racism and white and black appearing in national newspapers.

01:32:32.000 So, this woke culture came directly out of subverting Occupy Wall Street.

01:32:38.000 So, you're not okay, real quick.

01:32:41.000 Sorry.

01:32:41.000 I'm all over the place.

01:32:42.000 You're saying, but by black groups, you mean like African American, or not, sorry, black American groups?

01:32:48.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.87

01:32:49.000 Not black groups. 0.99

01:32:50.000 Like Black Panthers. 0.96

01:32:50.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.96

01:32:51.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:32:51.000 Black sites. 1.00

01:32:52.000 Yeah, not a CIA black site.

01:32:55.000 Okay.

01:32:55.000 One that gets me the most that you mentioned of all these like tactics that, you know, counterintelligence tactics is where you get two enemies to start fighting each other.

01:33:04.000 Yeah.

01:33:04.000 You send one side, like Party A, a message that says, Party B, I'm Party B, and I'm coming for you.

01:33:09.000 And then Party B is like, I'm Party A, I'm coming.

01:33:11.000 And then they go to war, and you just sit back and watch.

01:33:14.000 That's an ancient tactic. 1.00

01:33:15.000 The Chinese. 0.98

01:33:16.000 Thousands of years ago. 1.00

01:33:17.000 I mean, Chinese secret. 1.00

01:33:19.000 You're right. 0.98

01:33:19.000 Sorry. 0.98

01:33:20.000 I learned it in Romance of the Three Kingdoms by playing it on the Sega Genesis.

01:33:24.000 I don't know what the term was, but it was a very lucrative.

01:33:27.000 I mean, if you get two opponents to exhaust themselves, I think that's what's happening today on the internet with podcasters and they're making money from it.

01:33:34.000 That's the incentive.

01:33:36.000 They're getting eyeballs.

01:33:37.000 And the more controversial ones, some of them are being algorithmically boosted to sow that dissent, like to sow that discord between people.

01:33:46.000 Who to fracture bases?

01:33:49.000 So the conservative base is totally fractured because you have these different warring factions, the podcast wars, as Michael Knowles affectionately refers to it as.

01:33:59.000 It's by design and it's being encouraged by big tech.

01:34:02.000 And it's, I see why big tech would do it because it serves two purposes for them it drives engagement, so they get money from it.

01:34:09.000 That's probably priority number one.

01:34:11.000 But also, a lot of the people running these big tech corporations are liberally minded, they're hardcore liberals.

01:34:19.000 Of course, they're going to want to subvert conservative ideology.

01:34:22.000 They're going to want people to fight amongst themselves because then they easily, easily can win elections.

01:34:29.000 Because if the conservatives can't come together behind a single candidate, the Democrats always vote blue no matter who.

01:34:36.000 That's one of their taglines.

01:34:39.000 So it's by design and it's terrible.

01:34:42.000 It's terrible.

01:34:42.000 I don't know where I was going with it.

01:34:43.000 I just want to interject one thing about COINTELPRO.

01:34:45.000 There is one vital book from the past, I don't know, 15 or 20 years that everybody, it's essential reading.

01:34:50.000 It's Tom O'Neill's Chaos.

01:34:52.000 And he takes a really deep dive into COINTELPRO, the likely associations between that, the CIA and Charles Manson, and the whole 60s radical movement.

01:35:00.000 You read it?

01:35:00.000 I read that.

01:35:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:01.000 You have to read it.

01:35:02.000 It's great.

01:35:03.000 What was the main takeaway from it without spoiling the book, I guess?

01:35:07.000 It kind of leads into the same territory that we're talking about right now.

01:35:10.000 Just, you know, CIA subversion, and they will use, I mean, anything from mind control to MKUltra.

01:35:16.000 I mean, it gets into all that stuff, and it links it to the Manson murders.

01:35:21.000 Oh, yeah, I heard Charles Manson was. 0.53

01:35:24.000 MK Altered.

01:35:26.000 Very convincing argument that O'Neill makes in that book.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:29.000 Oh, man.

01:35:30.000 Now, I think in scales and patterns, like where else is this take playing out?

01:35:34.000 Like this getting your opponents to fight each other.

01:35:38.000 Think about it as like if you're in that system, like where?

01:35:41.000 What's happening right now?

01:35:42.000 There's LGBT and Palestinians. 0.96

01:35:45.000 The Israel Palestine thing.

01:35:47.000 The Hamas folks, you know, like, or the Muslims and the LGBTQ community. 0.97

01:35:52.000 Like, they're not going to get along when it comes down to it.

01:35:55.000 We've already seen them fight in the streets and not get along at all in their protest.

01:35:58.000 They clash.

01:36:00.000 And you're even seeing it in the LGBT community itself. 0.99

01:36:03.000 The LGBs and the Ts are starting to fight with each other. 0.98

01:36:07.000 And that whole thing is another rabbit hole. 0.99

01:36:11.000 One interesting thing that I did notice as a reporter in Southern California was that there were these kind of unlikely bedfellows of alliances among Muslim parents and Christian parents that were pushing back against all of the LGBTQ gender goblin stuff. 1.00

01:36:24.000 I was going to ask that. 1.00

01:36:25.000 Do you think that Islam and Christianity should come together to? 0.97

01:36:29.000 Form like a better Abrahamic union.

01:36:31.000 I mean, it goes back to Abraham.

01:36:32.000 Look at Abraham's coalitional efforts, but please.

01:36:36.000 You don't think Abraham was like the guy?

01:36:38.000 Why isn't there religion about Abraham?

01:36:40.000 He's the guy that.

01:36:41.000 He's just the guy.

01:36:42.000 I should let you answer the question before I start.

01:36:44.000 No, please.

01:36:45.000 I mean, Abraham Lincoln.

01:36:47.000 No, no, Abraham, father of.

01:36:49.000 Father Abraham.

01:36:51.000 The father of.

01:36:52.000 Not honestly. 0.69

01:36:53.000 The father of Jacob, who was the father of Judah, the tribe of the Jews.

01:36:57.000 I'm learning about those guys.

01:36:58.000 I don't know.

01:36:58.000 So the grandfather of Judah, father of Jacob, Israel.

01:37:01.000 I think generally for Muslims, Christians, Jews, I think God takes more precedent than Abraham.

01:37:06.000 But I reject the notion of an Islamic Christian alliance purely.

01:37:11.000 Based on what utility do Christians have for Muslims?

01:37:15.000 Because again, this is the same false premise of a left right alliance. 0.83

01:37:21.000 What does the right offer the left? 0.92

01:37:23.000 Because again, the left, Muslims, have demonstrated, I'm studying this separately here, but they often work in collaboration.

01:37:29.000 They often are able to impose their will in spite of their host population, or in the left's case, I'm just tripping on my words, they're able to impose their will in spite of the right's opposition.

01:37:40.000 So what do they need us for?

01:37:41.000 I mean, that's kind of the question.

01:37:42.000 You mean what is Islam? 0.65

01:37:43.000 How could it benefit from merging with Christianity? 0.93

01:37:46.000 Or even the left, you said, right?

01:37:47.000 Even the left, or just even if we were to speculate an Islamic Christian alliance. 0.54

01:37:51.000 I think, like, every time this has been tried, at least over the last few years, what typically happens is the Christians will fight to advance Islamic causes, but it's never the other way around. 0.93

01:38:00.000 Like, we can give them, like, we like freedom of speeches and freedom of liberty and property rights, but that's what they can gain from us, but they'll take that and throw it out the door. 0.98

01:38:11.000 Yeah.

01:38:12.000 The second they get a chance. 0.84

01:38:13.000 We've got the Judeo Christian alliance.

01:38:15.000 They actually call it Judeo Christian.

01:38:17.000 So I assume there's some sort of merge that happens.

01:38:19.000 I mean, Jesus was a Jewish guy.

01:38:21.000 I think the Judeo Christian thing was more of like a top down effort to maybe find common ground because the conservative movement following the 1960s, there was a lot of Jewish intellectuals.

01:38:31.000 And I'm not saying this is like a pejorative, I'm just saying it's just the reality on the ground.

01:38:34.000 And so we felt like, okay, we have some common understanding and culture war ideas and stuff so we can unite.

01:38:40.000 But I don't utilize the term Judeo Christian because I think, like, I think actually it was Yoram Hazoni said that he believes that Jews, and he's a Jewish gentleman, he said that Jews should be maximally Jewish, Christians should be maximally Christian.

01:38:52.000 And if that's the case, There's actually not going to be much in common because, okay, where there is overlapping interest, there may be.

01:38:57.000 But again, Christians do have a fundamentally different view of God, like who God is.

01:39:03.000 We believe that Christ is the Son of God. 0.61

01:39:06.000 Therefore, it's difficult to truly merge those two in any meaningful way beyond, like, again, some culture war issues where we do find ourselves linking shields.

01:39:16.000 Is there a way to, like, with Islam? 0.77

01:39:18.000 I'm looking at nothing, Raymond. 1.00

01:39:19.000 You saw me looking at it.

01:39:20.000 I'm visualizing God.

01:39:22.000 I was visualizing God, what it is. 1.00

01:39:25.000 So, like, for the Islamic. 0.97

01:39:27.000 Faith to see the same God? 0.93

01:39:28.000 Because they're all talking about the monothe, you know, the one true God.

01:39:32.000 Is it not just the same?

01:39:34.000 I mean, I know it's defined differently, but that doesn't mean it's not the same thing.

01:39:38.000 Actually, off camera, I got into this a little bit with Brett Weinstein yesterday, and he said he doesn't use the term Judeo Christian either.

01:39:44.000 He says that, what did he say?

01:39:45.000 He said that the New Testament is an upgrade, not a sequel, which I thought was a very clever way of putting it.

01:39:50.000 I never thought of it that way, but he's correct. 1.00

01:39:52.000 So there are some fundamental differences between Abrahamic religions that can't really be reconciled. 0.98

01:39:56.000 Yeah, like as a Christian, I would contest that if you're not adhering to the Triune God, right?

01:40:01.000 God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, then that's not the God, that is not your creator that is going to essentially be in communion with you for you to enter heaven. 0.90

01:40:09.000 And I think if a Muslim is being honest or if a Jewish person is being honest, they would make that same contestment. 0.93

01:40:15.000 It's just in public, when we're in public spaces debating, it's polite to not like speak about those hard divisions. 0.88

01:40:22.000 But especially in regards to Islam, you've seen that, again, they do have some fundamental differences between us and Christians.

01:40:28.000 It's not very useful for either of us to like really seek an alliance because.

01:40:33.000 There's maybe overlapping interests in regards to, I don't know, maybe like LGBT things, maybe abortion.

01:40:39.000 That's really where the like locking shields potential really stops. 0.64

01:40:42.000 I see it sort of as like a necessity against to buffer against a greater evil, like the way that the Americans and the Soviets came together to fight the Nazis in World War II.

01:40:52.000 That there is not that like Taoism or Buddhism is the big threat out there, but I feel like there's more technical threats than religion that we could. 0.95

01:41:01.000 I probably have a lot more in common with a secular American than a Pakistani Muslim. 0.99

01:41:05.000 Religion's way more stronger than. 0.96

01:41:07.000 Powerful than in some army over the long scale of things. 0.84

01:41:11.000 But I would also make the testament, this is going to be unpopular with the audience, but this is just how I feel.

01:41:15.000 I would have a lot more in common with a secular American than, like, I don't know, like a Haitian Christian, because it's like, okay, we do have some worldview overlaps.

01:41:24.000 But the reality is that Western civilization structurally is Christian insofar as how we structure morality, ethics, customs, et cetera, et cetera.

01:41:33.000 These all come from Christianity.

01:41:34.000 And so, again, someone that's operating within Western civilization is going to have a slightly closer worldview to me.

01:41:40.000 Than someone that's from a disparate culture that also does have sort of nominal Christianity.

01:41:44.000 Well, and Raymond, to piggyback off of your point about how powerful religion is, humans inherently want to believe in something higher, something bigger than themselves.

01:41:55.000 We have just, it's almost like an empty spot in our brains that needs to be filled with something.

01:42:00.000 And for a lot of people, it's God.

01:42:03.000 And for atheists, and we see this a lot on the left, it's leftist ideology.

01:42:07.000 That's why they are so angry about certain things.

01:42:11.000 And sometimes you even see it with people who just love Funko Pop dolls and Szechuan sauce from McDonald's jumping up on a counter screaming, I want my Szechuan sauce. 0.90

01:42:18.000 It's like those people that are that extreme, 500 years ago, they would have been like ridiculously, was it Christian maxing? 0.99

01:42:27.000 Jew maxing? 1.00

01:42:27.000 Sure. 1.00

01:42:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:28.000 I'm not Jew maxing.

01:42:29.000 I barely practiced.

01:42:30.000 I did my taxes this year. 0.94

01:42:31.000 That's the extent of my Judaism practicing. 0.52

01:42:35.000 And bacon's delicious, by the way.

01:42:37.000 But that's why you didn't get a bar mitzvah, isn't it?

01:42:40.000 Yeah.

01:42:41.000 Yeah, I ran away from Hebrew school when I was 12.

01:42:41.000 You love bacon.

01:42:43.000 It's a long story.

01:42:45.000 I used to think of the unification of the faiths as a nice thing that could happen.

01:42:50.000 And now I see it as an inevitability that it's a survival mechanism against the greater threats.

01:43:00.000 At some point, humans are going to realize they're not each other's enemies.

01:43:04.000 There's a greater threat out there. 0.97

01:43:05.000 The problem is, Muslims will typically side with secular atheists to combat against Christian interests. 0.99

01:43:11.000 This is what you see virtually every Western country is. 0.96

01:43:15.000 Muslim immigrants will typically fold in with whatever pre existing left wing party there is, Britain, the Democrat Party, the United States, because again, they view Christians, you know, that Christian core of Western civilization as oppositional to their existence. 0.88

01:43:26.000 Because again, if Christians were to truly operate, you know, punching above their weight, firing on all cylinders, there probably wouldn't be much non Christian migration to these countries. 0.79

01:43:35.000 So that's why Muslims do view Christians as adversarial in Western nations, because they are an impediment to further Islamification of those societies, where secular people are kind of indifferent. 0.85

01:43:44.000 They're like, I don't know, you can just do whatever you want.

01:43:46.000 Has there, what's that?

01:43:47.000 Christians have been way too nice.

01:43:49.000 On this front. 1.00

01:43:51.000 And a couple weeks ago, I called Catholics the devil. 0.99

01:43:55.000 Just because they, you know, the NGOs and the Pope, but like they had the crusade. 1.00

01:44:01.000 So I'm learning more.

01:44:03.000 Like that's props.

01:44:04.000 Like I don't know if any Christian community besides like Catholics of Rome would do the crusades of even back in the day because they're just such nice, good human beings. 0.62

01:44:14.000 Some of them have such plans.

01:44:16.000 Just wait. 0.96

01:44:17.000 One of the crusades was Christian on Christian. 1.00

01:44:19.000 They'd just like land grab. 0.89

01:44:21.000 The Pope would be like, The French, the Cathars are, it's a heresy. 0.88

01:44:24.000 Everyone go take their land if you want. 0.98

01:44:26.000 And all these French dukes would go just take pieces of. 0.81

01:44:29.000 Well, it's when the Crusades got derailed because they were like, look, we've done a bang up job here in the Holy Land. 0.93

01:44:34.000 We're in the neighborhood. 0.91

01:44:35.000 We should go take back Constantinople. 0.86

01:44:37.000 And that's how it began to unravel. 1.00

01:44:39.000 But it was a worthy goal.

01:44:40.000 But with that, I think we need to head to Rumble Rants and Super Chats.

01:44:44.000 We got quite a bit to work through here.

01:44:46.000 Carter has been plucking out the finest Rumble Rants and Super Chats for us.

01:44:51.000 So, what do we got here, Carter?

01:44:52.000 If you can just kind of highlight for me what you think I should be reading because I'm a Calvinist, so I don't believe I have free will.

01:44:58.000 And so, I need Carter to make my decisions for me.

01:45:02.000 I think this one is about last night.

01:45:06.000 Okay.

01:45:06.000 All right.

01:45:06.000 We'll read this from Marusha Dank 316.

01:45:09.000 I think Brett's point, we're not talking about Brett Dasavik.

01:45:12.000 We're talking about Brett Weinstein here.

01:45:13.000 I think Brett's point about maximizing freedom is like using the Laffer curve to maximize revenue.

01:45:18.000 Too much or too little doesn't get you there.

01:45:21.000 I think that's a fair assessment.

01:45:22.000 Well said.

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 Well said.

01:45:24.000 Truth maxing. 0.84

01:45:25.000 South Carolina from Don't Be Goy for two bucks.

01:45:30.000 He's thrown in a super chat here. 0.99

01:45:32.000 South Carolina is like Indians. 1.00

01:45:33.000 Oh, no. 1.00

01:45:34.000 Rather, South Carolina is like Indiana.

01:45:37.000 Okay, that makes a little bit more sense.

01:45:39.000 All right.

01:45:40.000 They did elect one, Nikki Haley, so I don't know if that would flush out.

01:45:42.000 South Carolina is like Indiana.

01:45:44.000 It's a rhino state. 0.98

01:45:46.000 This is South Carolina. 0.99

01:45:46.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

01:45:47.000 They produce consistently some of the worst senators in the GOP caucus, unfortunately.

01:45:52.000 Graham has been there for whatever now?

01:45:54.000 For, like, literally.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, like, honestly, it's been.

01:45:56.000 Since I was born, I think.

01:45:57.000 As long as I've been political.

01:45:59.000 Wow, him and his ladybugs.

01:46:01.000 Cody Johnson, 9th.

01:46:04.000 Sorry.

01:46:05.000 Cody Johnson 9781 said, Met Phil last night in St. Louis.

01:46:09.000 All right.

01:46:09.000 Oh, nice.

01:46:10.000 Wow.

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:11.000 Shout out to the great Phil Abonte.

01:46:13.000 He is tearing it up right now.

01:46:14.000 So that was where he is right now.

01:46:15.000 A lot of us were wondering earlier.

01:46:17.000 He's on tour.

01:46:17.000 Yeah.

01:46:18.000 He's busy.

01:46:19.000 A few of us here at Timcast went and saw him in Baltimore.

01:46:22.000 I had a little crowd surfing incident.

01:46:23.000 Oh, you did?

01:46:24.000 I heard.

01:46:24.000 It was fantastic.

01:46:25.000 It was a lot of fun.

01:46:26.000 I put it on my Instagram.

01:46:26.000 You can go.

01:46:27.000 If you want to go to my Instagram, you can see me crowd surfing.

01:46:28.000 Nice.

01:46:29.000 If you're watching, I recommend if you got a chance to watch all that remains, man, it's rocking.

01:46:33.000 I'm sorry.

01:46:34.000 I just stepped in front of you, man.

01:46:35.000 Okay.

01:46:36.000 Blocked your camera.

01:46:37.000 I'm so mad about that.

01:46:38.000 Ian, you're fired.

01:46:38.000 Did you catch that, Carter?

01:46:39.000 I didn't see that.

01:46:40.000 Yeah, well, I, dude, I tried to trickle around it.

01:46:43.000 Yeah.

01:46:43.000 With, I tried to create an illusion that you'd never left the room, but it didn't really work very well.

01:46:48.000 Shout out to Phil Labonte.

01:46:48.000 Thanks, dude.

01:46:50.000 I love the man.

01:46:51.000 Phil, I'm in your seat right now.

01:46:52.000 Have a killer tour, brother. 0.90

01:46:54.000 Just crush it, dude. 0.98

01:46:55.000 I saw him.

01:46:56.000 Did you guys see that one?

01:46:57.000 I retweeted it of him screaming.

01:46:59.000 Like, the dude is built like not a lot of people on earth can do that.

01:47:04.000 That's pretty wild.

01:47:05.000 That guy's awesome.

01:47:06.000 Mm hmm.

01:47:07.000 Mechanical Mercenary for 20 bucks here on Rumble said SPLC commercial on TV right now, fundraising on the redistricting, funding racism one donation at a time.

01:47:17.000 I think that's absolutely true.

01:47:18.000 It's kind of actually funny.

01:47:19.000 There are a lot of these NGOs that are quite thrilled about how excellent the Republicans have been behaving over the last few weeks because it's a huge fundraising opportunity for them.

01:47:28.000 It is quite something to see there.

01:47:33.000 Pop Raider, Ice being poorly trained.

01:47:37.000 This, I think, is directed at you.

01:47:39.000 Ice being poorly trained is a Democrat talking point.

01:47:41.000 Fast tracked agents come from those with previous experience in law enforcement.

01:47:45.000 Not all of them.

01:47:46.000 Otherwise, it wouldn't have American citizens being killed.

01:47:50.000 I understand that they were being resistant, but these guys are not well trained.

01:47:54.000 And not all of them, obviously, but I mean, there's been very well known incidents that indicate that perhaps they're not getting the level of training that they need to be able to do the job that they're tasked to do.

01:48:04.000 Are you referring to like the Renee Good?

01:48:05.000 Yes.

01:48:06.000 Yeah.

01:48:07.000 Do you know what kind of training they actually have?

01:48:09.000 Because I'd be curious to know.

01:48:11.000 Yeah, they have like kind of a.

01:48:15.000 Because they were hired so quickly, there is a pre existing ICE training regiment.

01:48:19.000 But again, when you're effectively fast tracking agents here, which is what they need because they're trying to carry out a mass deportation agenda, they're banking quite a bit on their previous law enforcement expertise.

01:48:30.000 Yeah, the Renee Good, I mean, look, that was something that we litigated quite extensively on TimCast.

01:48:34.000 We had a few people that were contesting that this was unjust.

01:48:38.000 I think the stalemate that I think a lot of people could arrive at was again, if you're sort of impeding on a federal investigation, what happens to you is sort of a responsibility of you.

01:48:49.000 And so I think that was kind of the.

01:48:50.000 Assessment People kind of came to a conclusion.

01:48:52.000 Chris, do you think we'll go on the next chat though?

01:48:54.000 Do you think that we'd be better off with robot police in these situations?

01:48:58.000 I've seen Robocop way too many times to think that that's a good option.

01:49:01.000 But just to clarify, I'm not a Democrat, I don't care about the talking points, I'm an anarchist.

01:49:04.000 So if I'm critiquing them from any angle, it's from an anarcho Christian perspective.

01:49:08.000 Yeah, well, I respect that you're consistent on that. 0.97

01:49:10.000 So this is from Hitman Zarelli.

01:49:12.000 He says, For 10 bucks, modern Europe, modern UK is not anywhere near similar.

01:49:17.000 They say constantly, We have no food, we have no culture.

01:49:20.000 For two weeks, Japan showed more respect.

01:49:22.000 Than the UK has ever shown.

01:49:23.000 Japan is a stronger ally.

01:49:25.000 I agree with that.

01:49:26.000 I think Japan has been a very loyal ally of the United States, which says a lot.

01:49:32.000 And, you know, as an aside, you know, you see a lot of these countries and they cite European colonialism is really why we've been held back. 0.52

01:49:37.000 Well, we literally like nuked Japan and decimated their society. 0.66

01:49:40.000 And in 70 years, they've emerged to be the third largest economy. 0.97

01:49:42.000 I think they just got passed by India, but for all intents and purposes, third largest economy.

01:49:46.000 In a unified, respectable culture. 1.00

01:49:48.000 Sorry.

01:49:48.000 No, absolutely.

01:49:49.000 I mean, that's a.

01:49:50.000 I trust society.

01:49:51.000 Very homogenous, proud to be Japanese. 1.00

01:49:53.000 They've elected sort of.

01:49:54.000 Pro Japanese national identity groups.

01:49:57.000 It's quite something to see.

01:49:58.000 And they've been very, very excellent ally.

01:50:01.000 Minus Hirohito's militant empire.

01:50:03.000 Was that the guy?

01:50:04.000 He wasn't the emperor, Hirohito.

01:50:05.000 He was just the leader of their military during the war.

01:50:07.000 Was he also the emperor?

01:50:07.000 No, he was the emperor.

01:50:08.000 Yep.

01:50:09.000 Minus that little 40 year debacle, the Japanese have been so cool.

01:50:12.000 I just kind of overlooked that weird period of Japanese imperialism between like 1890 and 1940.

01:50:20.000 But I guess they've always been kind of warlike, you know, with the shogunate in the 1400s and 1500s, the Sengoku Jidai.

01:50:27.000 Yeah.

01:50:28.000 Odu Nobunaga Tokuga.

01:50:30.000 After the 1920s, 30s, 40s.

01:50:33.000 You just said the 1400s?

01:50:33.000 What's that?

01:50:35.000 Well, back in the 1400s and 1500s when the Sengoku Jidai was going on and it was like this giant.

01:50:39.000 It was like the Japanese Civil War that went on for like a while. 0.73

01:50:41.000 Effectively a shogunate well into the 19th century until we opened up their economy forcibly.

01:50:46.000 And it's been very romanticized in American culture.

01:50:49.000 Samurai, for instance, ninja, you know.

01:50:51.000 Yeah, which actually was like a thing for quite a long time.

01:50:54.000 By the time the 19th century rolled around, it was a little bit of a different structure.

01:50:57.000 It resembled more something you.

01:50:58.000 We saw in World War II, but yeah, they had about like 50 years of free trade, and they were like, Enough of this, we're electing uh fascists.

01:51:06.000 But on that point, about Japan, like they're able to maintain their trains, they're able to maintain their buildings, whereas the people who got colonized in certain countries are unable to maintain anything, yeah.

01:51:16.000 No, they don't know how to do trains, they don't want to do bridges.

01:51:19.000 So, at least, like, there's people who can't function in the world, and there are people who actually can function in the world, yeah. 0.86

01:51:26.000 Do you know what they used before candles in Zimbabwe to light their houses? 0.95

01:51:28.000 Uh, it was probably some fat of some sort, it was light bulbs.

01:51:32.000 Oh, what?

01:51:32.000 It was light bulbs.

01:51:33.000 Oh, that's hilarious. 0.99

01:51:36.000 Do you know how people in Tanzania got around before the donkey? 1.00

01:51:40.000 Carts. 0.99

01:51:41.000 It was cars, actually.

01:51:42.000 Cars and trains, yeah.

01:51:43.000 Anyway, I digress.

01:51:45.000 Nikki Coco here says This is on Rumble.

01:51:49.000 This is a Rumble rant.

01:51:50.000 Oh, Nikki. 1.00

01:51:51.000 Nikki here says I grew up in New Jersey in the same town as the Hasidic community. 1.00

01:51:55.000 You have no clue how deep it goes, how coercive the community is, and what they've done to Lakewood and the surrounding towns and areas. 1.00

01:52:02.000 Yeah, Lakewood is a pretty egregious case because, in this instance, originally the sort of ultra Orthodox communities that we're talking about, the Hasidics for those, that's kind of the term that's utilized.

01:52:10.000 People call it Haredim, that's what they call them in Israel.

01:52:12.000 Anyway, they sort of consolidated in Brooklyn initially in New York City.

01:52:16.000 And then now, as Brooklyn becomes very difficult for them to live in, they have started moving to surrounding suburbs.

01:52:22.000 And Curious Joel was the one that Tyler Oliveira investigated.

01:52:26.000 Lakewood, New Jersey is another example of where they basically come in, they move in, vote out everyone, and impose their will at the local level.

01:52:32.000 I want to say about the Hasidic community without being disrespectful, because I don't want to talk about the community as a monolith, that it's kind of like a girl that's been through some horrible trauma in her life, and you're like, I'm going to fix her. 1.00

01:52:43.000 I feel like that about the Hasids. 0.92

01:52:45.000 Like in New York, I'd walk around and I'd look in your eyes and I would see you and I'd be like, yeah, you know it's cool. 1.00

01:52:50.000 Like, you know it's cool beyond whatever you're doing with your thing is.

01:52:55.000 Like, I think you should partner with Tal Oliveira and go on a rescue mission and say, guys, come on.

01:53:00.000 Yeah, he just got back from Israel.

01:53:02.000 A little quicker than I thought.

01:53:06.000 An acquaintance of mine wrote a book called Unorthodox about her experience breaking out of the Hasidic community.

01:53:11.000 Very enlightening read.

01:53:13.000 She shares quite a story.

01:53:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:53:14.000 I mean, because that's kind of like.

01:53:16.000 The false equivalence a lot of people are drawing here is like, oh, you're not like what the Amish are.

01:53:19.000 I'm like, okay, there's a variety of reasons why the Amish are different.

01:53:21.000 For one, people don't have like open memoirs about how traumatic, like consistently traumatic the Amish community treated their people. 0.84

01:53:28.000 You actually have a thing in the Amish community.

01:53:30.000 I don't know what it's called specifically, but they basically go out into the world.

01:53:33.000 Yeah, what's it called?

01:53:33.000 Oh my God.

01:53:34.000 That's what it's called.

01:53:35.000 Rumspringer?

01:53:36.000 Yeah.

01:53:36.000 Yeah, you go.

01:53:37.000 So the, you know, an Amish community, they go out for two years and participate in the world and they're like, hmm, let's try this on for size.

01:53:37.000 Well, yeah.

01:53:42.000 And I believe the majority of people end up returning to the Amish community because they're like, it seems like a bit healthier.

01:53:48.000 So, Yeah.

01:53:48.000 Ascetic media, I don't know if that's the case.

01:53:50.000 So, while not treating them like a monolith, the reviews are not good.

01:53:53.000 Yeah.

01:53:54.000 So, yeah.

01:53:54.000 Fair to say.

01:53:55.000 That's the feeling I got when I would see them in New York with eye contact.

01:53:55.000 It's true.

01:53:59.000 It was like they were forced to look away.

01:54:01.000 It was very strange.

01:54:02.000 Yeah.

01:54:02.000 It was weird.

01:54:03.000 I just want everyone to assimilate.

01:54:04.000 I think that would be, that's my, I'm consistent across.

01:54:07.000 So, Somalis, Yemenis, Ascetics, anyone.

01:54:10.000 Just assimilate. 1.00

01:54:10.000 That's all we're asking. 1.00

01:54:11.000 What do you do with this?

01:54:12.000 Is this how we do it?

01:54:13.000 Modern world.

01:54:13.000 Yeah.

01:54:13.000 I'm new.

01:54:14.000 It's not the poetry.

01:54:15.000 Because people were like, why are you picking on them? 1.00

01:54:17.000 I'm like, you were like cheering me on when I was slamming Somalis and Yemenis. 1.00

01:54:21.000 And then as soon as I touched the group, That, like, people, some of my cheerleaders had a bit more affinity towards, all of a sudden, I'm like this evil anti Semite. 1.00

01:54:30.000 So, I have like these people calling me anti Semites, and then I have a whole other segment of viewers that are like, You're a Zionist shill.

01:54:36.000 And I'm like, What?

01:54:37.000 I'm just advocating for a pro America policy here.

01:54:40.000 Pick a team and stick to the talking points, Tate.

01:54:42.000 Why can't you just do that?

01:54:43.000 I know.

01:54:43.000 Just being a patriot, bro.

01:54:45.000 And I'm not even trying to be nuanced either. 1.00

01:54:47.000 Like, I think it's a gay to be nuanced. 1.00

01:54:48.000 I'm like, I am taking hardline positions here. 1.00

01:54:50.000 It's just like unbelievable.

01:54:53.000 So, Mythos671 says, anybody see Nick Shirley's videos documenting his near arrest and flight from Cuba?

01:54:59.000 He almost got arrested by Cuba's intelligence service.

01:55:02.000 No, but I saw that he did it.

01:55:04.000 According to Candace Owens, it's all fake.

01:55:07.000 I don't know if Mark has any.

01:55:09.000 I don't.

01:55:10.000 I don't know.

01:55:11.000 I can't.

01:55:11.000 You want me to speak for him?

01:55:12.000 He's a great PR guy, though.

01:55:13.000 Of course. 0.96

01:55:14.000 Busting balls, my friend. 0.97

01:55:15.000 Yeah, no, I haven't seen that. 0.86

01:55:18.000 I've seen tweets about it, but I mean, I'm a fan of Nick Shirley's work.

01:55:21.000 Yeah, you do.

01:55:22.000 I think he's done some extraordinary things.

01:55:24.000 I kind of see her perspective on it, you know.

01:55:27.000 I don't that an outsider wouldn't be so really, really accepted, but yeah.

01:55:32.000 Oh, so he posted videos to be like, Hey, I wasn't totally accepted.

01:55:34.000 I actually got had trouble.

01:55:36.000 Is that what that video was that he posted?

01:55:38.000 Well, and the thing is like, okay, I've met Nick Shirley before, I've talked to him, and I mean this as a compliment actually, is that he's a very straightforward guy.

01:55:47.000 So, I mean, you're gonna have to take my anecdote for evidence here, but like the idea that he's like some sort of clandestine operator, he's not a he doesn't have a good enough.

01:55:57.000 Poker face.

01:55:58.000 He's like a surfer dude type mentality.

01:56:00.000 Like, what's going on?

01:56:02.000 Let's just talk.

01:56:03.000 Yeah, he's just like, unless he's breaking points, I don't know.

01:56:06.000 Yeah, he's just like a guy.

01:56:08.000 Unless he's the most subversive genius.

01:56:11.000 Oh, subversive, just manipulative.

01:56:14.000 I mean, it's like he's like, I want to help.

01:56:14.000 It's Nick, though.

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 It's just like when you talk to him, he'll like literally just tell you what he's up to.

01:56:19.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 It's like, oh, okay.

01:56:20.000 All right.

01:56:21.000 Anyway, we could hammer him. 0.59

01:56:22.000 Exactly like an agent would.

01:56:24.000 Yeah.

01:56:25.000 I know, right? 0.99

01:56:26.000 Damn, he's good. 0.99

01:56:27.000 He's operating on behalf of the American people, this guy. 1.00

01:56:30.000 This guy's seriously nefarious.

01:56:32.000 Swanson, 1998, says As a native Californian who fled to Tennessee, it's a night and day difference.

01:56:32.000 Okay.

01:56:37.000 People go vote.

01:56:39.000 I don't care if it's for a rhino, I'd rather deal with that than somebody who wants to jail me because I voted Trump.

01:56:45.000 I like it.

01:56:46.000 Bold statement here.

01:56:47.000 And it's very interesting.

01:56:48.000 It's a conversation a lot of people are having.

01:56:51.000 Disgruntled Vet says, Oh, I just burped into the microphone.

01:56:55.000 Nice job, dude.

01:56:56.000 All Americans should listen to John Wayne's album, America, Why I Love Her, about American.

01:57:02.000 He explains it perfectly.

01:57:03.000 Second track, The Hyphen.

01:57:05.000 Wait, John Wayne, like the old guy?

01:57:05.000 Is anybody familiar with it?

01:57:09.000 Gacy?

01:57:09.000 No, there's a guy that.

01:57:13.000 That was Junior.

01:57:14.000 I mean, I know Theodore Roosevelt's stance on the whole thing.

01:57:14.000 Yeah.

01:57:17.000 I'm assuming this is a musician.

01:57:21.000 John Wayne, like the cowboy?

01:57:23.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:57:24.000 At least a country song.

01:57:25.000 An album.

01:57:26.000 I'm looking it up.

01:57:27.000 Name the song, please, again, real quick.

01:57:28.000 You said America.

01:57:29.000 I love her.

01:57:30.000 The hyphenated second track off of America.

01:57:35.000 I kind of missed the days when we could just play copyrighted music anytime, anywhere.

01:57:40.000 Before ad revenue was a thing in 2007, you could just play any song at any time on YouTube.

01:57:45.000 It was crazy.

01:57:46.000 Real quick, it's a quote by John Wayne, real quick.

01:57:48.000 The old dude, sorry, the elder gentleman. 1.00

01:57:51.000 The hyphenated American is ridiculous. 0.99

01:57:54.000 But that's what we have to put up with. 1.00

01:57:57.000 I think that any person that's in the United States is better off here than they would be where they came from. 1.00

01:58:03.000 Agreed. 1.00

01:58:04.000 I totally agree.

01:58:04.000 And that's Theodore Roosevelt.

01:58:05.000 That's what he said. 0.82

01:58:06.000 He's like, look, we don't have room for hyphenated Americans. 1.00

01:58:08.000 You're either in or you're out. 1.00

01:58:09.000 One foot in, one foot out.

01:58:10.000 It's not acceptable.

01:58:12.000 I remember a few days ago, I was on Twitter and I'd said, I don't even remember what my point was, but I was contesting some point.

01:58:19.000 And then a guy replied to me and he was like, who are you to say who's American, who's not?

01:58:25.000 Like, you're being cruel.

01:58:26.000 And then I looked in his bio and it said Cuban American. 0.99

01:58:29.000 And I'm like, hello, you're not even all in.

01:58:34.000 Like, what are we even talking about here?

01:58:36.000 So I like the way you say that you're not even all in.

01:58:38.000 Yeah. 0.50

01:58:38.000 Like, okay, it's like if you immigrate here, that's great. 0.50

01:58:40.000 We need to see total dedication to the United States.

01:58:43.000 That's sorry.

01:58:44.000 You know, disagree.

01:58:44.000 It's just, it is what it is.

01:58:46.000 Take it up with Theodore Roosevelt.

01:58:47.000 I'm sorry.

01:58:47.000 It is what it is.

01:58:48.000 Take it up with Teddy.

01:58:49.000 If you could become a citizen of Earth and give up your American citizenship, would you?

01:58:53.000 No, probably not. 0.60

01:58:55.000 Like to represent Earth to Mars?

01:58:55.000 Definitely not.

01:58:57.000 No, there's no way.

01:58:58.000 I mean, the Americans are going to be the ones representing.

01:59:00.000 Yeah, I'll be an ambassador to Mars.

01:59:01.000 I'm happy to do that.

01:59:03.000 We could turn the Earth into the United States of Earth and it could all be like self governance.

01:59:08.000 I feel like that's where we're headed.

01:59:09.000 I think that might be in the national security strategy to eventually just take all of Earth.

01:59:13.000 Okay.

01:59:14.000 They'll do it willingly when they realize how awesome it is to live free.

01:59:17.000 I'll read one more here from Silas 5G Trump held a bee.

01:59:22.000 What?

01:59:23.000 He did hold a bee.

01:59:24.000 Do you guys remember when King Charles was visiting and the bee was agitating them and then he picked it up and showed them?

01:59:29.000 Oh, really?

01:59:29.000 No, I don't remember.

01:59:30.000 That story.

01:59:30.000 Yo, I got stung by a wasp.

01:59:32.000 Did I tell you guys this?

01:59:33.000 This story is nuts.

01:59:33.000 You told me.

01:59:34.000 I was driving with all my windows down about 20 miles an hour, and this wasp came in and hit me in the neck.

01:59:41.000 I was like, I think that was a bee.

01:59:43.000 And then I was like, maybe it was a flower.

01:59:45.000 And then it stung me.

01:59:45.000 I was like, ah, and I kept driving.

01:59:46.000 And I was like, if I just relax, it'll stop.

01:59:48.000 And then it went deeper.

01:59:49.000 I was like, ah.

01:59:50.000 So I pulled off, and the guy fell on the ground.

01:59:53.000 I like flicked it, and he fell down.

01:59:55.000 And, you know, every impulse in my body is like crush and destroy pain.

01:59:59.000 Ah, but I felt so bad for the guy because he didn't mean to.

02:00:03.000 He was terrified.

02:00:04.000 This is actually a metaphor for leftists.

02:00:06.000 I think I might have mentioned this one day to you too.

02:00:07.000 It's like it stung me because it was afraid, not because it was malicious.

02:00:12.000 And so I didn't destroy it.

02:00:13.000 I didn't kill it.

02:00:14.000 It didn't want to hurt me.

02:00:15.000 It was just, that was the situation at the moment.

02:00:19.000 So I helped him become free and helped him.

02:00:21.000 And he got away, as far as I know.

02:00:23.000 He actually got detained by ICE shortly after.

02:00:23.000 That's right.

02:00:27.000 So true.

02:00:28.000 Well, with that, we got to wind this show down.

02:00:30.000 We will be heading to our after show portion.

02:00:33.000 It'll be on Rumble.

02:00:34.000 So make sure you're a Rumble Premium member so you can join us for the after show.

02:00:37.000 The Discord will be calling in.

02:00:39.000 So make sure you join the Discord so you can call in and ask questions.

02:00:41.000 This wonderful panel and our guests.

02:00:43.000 Any question that comes to mind, we will take literally any question. 0.99

02:00:45.000 There's such a thing as a stupid question in the Timcast Discord. 0.96

02:00:48.000 So, with that, Mark, where can people find you? 0.96

02:00:50.000 Yeah, you can find me on X at MarkJherman.

02:00:53.000 It's also the same for my YouTube channel at MarkJherman.

02:00:56.000 I do a weekday podcast called Mark Explained.

02:00:59.000 It's live at 2 p.m. Central.

02:01:01.000 I have no idea what the hell I'm doing.

02:01:02.000 I'm obviously not comfortable on camera, so it's fun to watch.

02:01:05.000 Hey, thank you very much for coming.

02:01:06.000 I think you're great.

02:01:07.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

02:01:08.000 This is incredible.

02:01:08.000 Really great to meet you guys.

02:01:09.000 Been a fan for a long time, especially Ian.

02:01:12.000 I appreciate it.

02:01:12.000 Okay.

02:01:13.000 I'm speaking to me.

02:01:14.000 I'm Ian.

02:01:15.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:01:17.000 Get familiar because I'm going to be around for a long time.

02:01:19.000 Let's just switch it up.

02:01:20.000 All right, Ian, you give your outro.

02:01:22.000 Hit it!

02:01:24.000 Nice to see you.

02:01:25.000 Follow me at Ian Crossland.

02:01:28.000 Also, graphene.movie is coming out pretty soon.

02:01:30.000 I'm going to put the pedal to the metal on that one.

02:01:32.000 So go to graphene.movie and sign up for the mailing list so you can get notified when this documentary is going live, man.

02:01:38.000 Got a lot of good things in the pipe.

02:01:39.000 We're going to be recording music pretty soon, Carter and I. That's true.

02:01:42.000 We are.

02:01:43.000 We got two songs in the pipe.

02:01:44.000 Nice.

02:01:45.000 Or is it the pipe?

02:01:46.000 It's in the pipe.

02:01:48.000 I. One of those things, but yeah.

02:01:50.000 One of those.

02:01:51.000 Give your outro.

02:01:51.000 My outro, I mean, that's pretty much it.

02:01:53.000 I keep it conversational.

02:01:54.000 You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere and at Carter Banks Official everywhere else.

02:01:58.000 If you want to hear some music that me and Ian are going to record and some that I'm going to put out, you can find that at Trash House Records YouTube channel.

02:02:08.000 But yeah, let's.

02:02:10.000 Raymond, call him in the air.

02:02:10.000 Yeah.

02:02:10.000 Who do we go to?

02:02:12.000 Call him in the air.

02:02:12.000 Heads.

02:02:15.000 Ooh.

02:02:15.000 Chris, give us your outro.

02:02:16.000 Oh, go read my substack.

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