On today's show, we have a special guest, Mark Herman, Director of the new podcast, Mark Explained, where he mansplains things. We talk redistricting, immigration, and much, much more!
00:01:52.000Republicans have won the redistricting war quite decisively, but not without some hangups.
00:01:58.000Lots of court action going on throughout the country.
00:02:01.000The Democrats are not going down without a fight.
00:02:03.000So, we're going to get into all of that.
00:02:04.000There's quite a few stories on the redistricting front.
00:02:07.000I'm sure you guys are all sick and tired of hearing about it, but this is potentially, we're talking about decades of Republican dominance in this country, despite the demographics not quite going their way.
00:02:16.000So, we're going to get into all of that.
00:02:47.000I don't know if you're really much of a politico, but the happenings in California aren't exactly the most pro American, at least not thus far.
00:02:54.000And a mayor has gone down with CCP ties.
00:03:25.000So if you haven't clicked away yet because there's no Tim, Head on over to Discord, go hang out in there first, and then come back and hang out on the show.
00:03:31.000It's going to be a very beautiful thing.
00:03:32.000But yes, Tim, he's out today, unfortunately, a little under the weather.
00:03:35.000So I'm holding it down for you guys because as you may know, Phil is on tour.
00:03:39.000He's on a nationwide tour and barking.
00:04:02.000I am the former director for Candace Owens, even more former, former director for Daily Wire, currently the host of the new podcast, Mark Explained, where I mansplain things, but I'm Mark.
00:05:07.000I'm sure you guys are sick and tired of hearing about it.
00:05:09.000But again, like I said, absolutely vital stuff.
00:05:11.000This is really important stuff to pay attention to.
00:05:13.000First, I got to say, it looks like the Republicans have decisively won the redistricting battle.
00:05:18.000Now, as soon as we sort of kicked that bee's nest, I was pretty skeptical this was going to go a positive direction because, as we know, the Republican is the party of managing decline and then the Democrats are the party of just declining.
00:05:33.000Sort of kicked off this entire redistricting saga.
00:05:35.000And as time went on, I felt vindicated.
00:05:37.000I saw, you know, Indiana, various other states across the country, the GOP sat on their hands.
00:05:42.000They came up with the reasons for why we shouldn't or can't redistrict.0.98
00:05:45.000It was really some pathetic stuff.0.57
00:05:46.000We saw the Virginia redistricting race where the Republicans put pennies behind that race and the Democrats put a war chest behind the redistricting battle.0.98
00:05:54.000It was really blackpilling for a while.
00:05:56.000I was not too thrilled with the direction that things were going, but fates have turned around.
00:06:00.000We got a decisive decision, obviously, from the Supreme Court gutting the Voting Rights Act, which sounds kosher on its face, right?
00:06:09.000Oh, yeah, we want voters to have rights.
00:06:11.000Well, obviously, it was used, utilized by the Democrats for quite nefarious purposes, basically consolidating as much power that they were not entitled to as possible.
00:06:20.000So, first thing that dropped, obviously, we had some news here.
00:06:28.000This is good news, obviously, is that the Supreme Court, as we've seen in Virginia at the state's level, can intervene, you know, if they feel that things are not quite passing the sniff test.
00:06:39.000This is where people were a little more concerned, obviously, and this is what we have in the title.
00:06:43.000And this is a bit concerning, obviously, if this were happening while we were underwater in the redistricting battle, people would have been quite outraged.
00:06:49.000But I think everyone's taking a victory lap right now.
00:06:51.000So, it doesn't seem to be Discussed as much.
00:06:53.000This is concerning stuff from Yahoo News.
00:06:55.000South Carolina Republicans tank redistricting for now.
00:06:59.000The South Carolina Senate just made it harder for the state to withdraw its congressional map, resisting pressure from President Donald Trump.
00:07:05.000Lawmakers on Tuesday failed to reach the two thirds majority needed to approve a measure that would have allowed them to take up a vote on redistricting even after the legislative session ends later this week.
00:07:14.000And then this is the sort of egregious thing, but this is what we're kind of used to.
00:07:18.000Five Republicans hopped across the aisle, joined all Democrats in voting against the proposal.
00:07:22.000Henry McMaster, the governor of South Carolina, Could still call a special session through his, though his office so far has dismissed this idea.
00:07:30.000And then here is an example of something in a blue state where it appears that, again, conservatives are going on offense, which is unbelievable that I'm even saying that.
00:08:04.000Notice has been given to all Democrats in the Tennessee House that all members of the Democrat caucus are being removed from all standing committees and subcommittees as a result of their behavior in the state House during the redistricting debates last week, which included setting fires inside of the Capitol and attacking law enforcement.
00:08:21.000In the state of Tennessee, political terrorism will not be tolerated.
00:08:24.000National Republicans, take note that this is how you exercise power.
00:08:28.000So, guys, How are we feeling about this redistricting battle?
00:09:31.000When Democrats can't break the law or do what they want to do illegally or kind of twist things up, they get upset when, like, actually the rule law is held to the ground and what it's supposed to be.
00:09:42.000I agree because actually, what they did was they kept all the bones of the VRA intact.
00:09:46.000I think gutting that language I use is specifically regarding the current Democrat interpretation of the VRA, which is effectively just look, I'll just cut the chase here.
00:09:54.000It's effectively a black supremacist interpretation where they're just saying, no, we're entitled to districts because of our race.
00:10:09.000So this is something that I'm quite familiar with.
00:10:12.000And Justin Pearson, you brought him up.
00:10:13.000I mean, this is this guy who literally, if you look at videos like 10 years ago, he was like a just basic normie, like a theater kid in his university.
00:10:22.000And he was like, hello, I'm Justin Pearson, and I'm looking to work across the aisle, and I'm looking for bipartisanship connection.
00:10:28.000Flash forward 10 years, he's doing this like basically minstrel show on the floor of the Tennessee Congress.
00:10:34.000He's got his big afro that he's like, and then he's like LARPing like he's like a reverend.
00:10:39.000I mean, it is really egregious, unbelievable stuff.
00:10:42.000And to your point, or to the point of both of you guys, I mean, Yeah, of course, the Democrats here feel especially threatened because, again, they're losing a beachhead and what is becoming the center of the United States, which is the South.
00:10:55.000And the reason that's important, the reason why they're specifically so concerned about what's happening in these Southern states is because, again, if you look at what the next census is going to look like, again, the way that the direction of the country is going, the South is going to be dominating the political spectrum.
00:11:12.000I mean, they're going to be dominating the presidential elections.
00:11:15.000That's where a lot of these electoral votes are heading towards in the next census.
00:11:18.000And so the Democrats understand that if, again, the entire South becomes ruby red, they're in serious trouble for the next few decades as far as winning goes.
00:11:28.000Kind of aligns with all these people leaving the Democratic Party over the last eight years since the mask came off of the machine.
00:11:36.000And I think you're just kind of seeing a sorting realignment throughout the electorate now.
00:11:43.000It is, I mean, like you were saying, Mark, it looks like escalation.
00:11:46.000Like it's, I just mean, escalation towards more of it.
00:11:48.000And like, I've been like, okay, the United States is transitioning to a technocracy, a global technocracy led by American military, economic, whatever.
00:11:56.000This is like the most stark indication of that.
00:12:02.000This is such a transition of American governance.
00:12:07.000I've never seen anything like it in my life.
00:12:09.000The way that the electorate's going to change in six months is so drastic.
00:12:15.000But I mean, I think we need drastic change.
00:12:19.000Well, I think what's interesting is, you know, this was the fear for the longest time with various.
00:12:23.000Republican strategists is just because of the nature of the changing demographics of the United States.
00:12:27.000It was thought that the Republicans would be increasingly politically unviable because, again, we've seen the non white percentage of the country grow, I mean, exponentially over the last 60 to 70 years.0.57
00:12:37.000What is the primary voting group that will turn out the ballot, you know, and check an R on the ballot?0.99
00:13:15.000And something that we can get into, and I don't know if this is a little too controversial for anyone to discuss, but I think it's true, is there's this idea that with the Obama Rainbow Coalition, that all non white voters were this one giant monolith.0.95
00:13:26.000But I think we learned during 2020 that maybe Hispanic Americans, Black Americans don't quite see eye to eye on everything.0.88
00:13:45.000And again, Trump was just presenting a non racial, pro American policy.
00:13:49.000And they said, well, that's why we came to this country in the first place, because we wanted to participate in America, not a specific ethnic grievance based, you know, culture or zeitgeist.
00:13:58.000And so, again, I think that's why Trump was able to resonate with them and, again, kind of break up that Democrat power block.
00:14:04.000And then the second part of that initial point that I was making is, again, just the shifts that we're seeing and redistricting and these sorts of things.
00:14:10.000Again, it's shifting the ball back to the Republicans' court.
00:14:13.000The immigration, you know, mass immigration, 20 million people pissed off so many, and just not even like black people or Mexican people or whatever, Southerners, like people or people that, like minorities that were then displaced by immigrants.
00:14:27.000And they're like, what are you doing?0.99
00:14:43.000People who consider themselves Americans care about these illegals coming and jumping in front of the line.0.81
00:14:48.000Real immigrants, legal immigrants, are real pissed too because they had to go through, spend all this money, do all this paperwork, and all these people get to jump through the front of the line and they get their hotels and houses, Section A, whatever else they get paid, welfare checks, and just regular everyday Americans are not liking this illegal bullish.0.83
00:15:05.000Yeah, and I think the general perception of how immigrants will view America and view the Republican Party will change in this Trump 2 paradigm because, again, It's much tougher to immigrate to this country now under President Trump's second term.0.95
00:15:19.000And so the people that come here, you're basically guaranteeing that these people want to be here.
00:15:24.000Where I think maybe since in the post-Heart Seller America, the majority, maybe not the majority, I think it's fair to say the majority of immigrants that were coming here were coming here because of potential economic prosperity, right?0.93
00:15:35.000There was a huge departure in the way that immigrants decided to come to America.0.87
00:15:39.000Before Heart Seller, it was more of a lifestyle adjustment.
00:15:41.000They were seeking freedom, they were seeking liberty, they wanted to buy into the American project.0.80
00:15:45.000Post-Heart Seller, A lot of the immigrants that were coming here, I would argue the majority of immigrants that were coming here, were coming here primarily for economic prosperity, which again, can you blame them?
00:15:58.000Hard Seller was the 1965 Immigration Act, which basically changed the entirety of how we conducted immigration.
00:16:05.000So prior to the Hard Seller Act, credence was given to immigrants from countries that would be perceived to be more culturally assimilable into the United States.
00:16:12.000Post Hard Seller Act, it basically removed any pretense, gave the Americans zero discretion over who should come from where, and effectively viewed The entire global population as a blank slate that could be rewritten with American values, which I would argue has failed quite extensively.
00:16:50.000You could, like, If you have a different culture and a different religion, that's a hard seller right there.
00:16:56.000If we're talking about selling, like, but hard seller, hard seller.0.98
00:16:58.000If you have a Christian that's like an Indian Christian or a Pakistani Christian, that's, you know, a lot easier.0.93
00:17:05.000Or like an American Muslim, that's a lot easier.0.90
00:17:08.000But it's a little tricky because I'll push back a little bit because I do think a British atheist, like a Carl Benjamin, is going to assimilate much easier into the United States than a Christian Haitian.
00:17:17.000I mean, Haiti is majority Christian and they've had a very difficult time assimilating the United States because I'm saying this as a Christian, as someone that.0.59
00:17:24.000Is chauvinistically Christian, I will acknowledge that there has to be a little bit more to their ability to assimilate into the United States than just sharing a vague Christian worldview.
00:17:36.000Would you consider like British people and American people of the same culture?
00:17:40.000Broadly, I would say that Oran McIntyre made this point on Tucker Carlson's show, actually, where he was sort of walking through, he was doing a retrospective on sort of the founding of America, what was a certain spirit around the foundation of the United States.
00:17:52.000And he argued, and I think this is correct, that again, fundamentally, the American identity at the time of the founding was sort of an Anglo Protestant identity, as in these were descendants from the Puritans, these were descendants from the Cavaliers that settled the South, even the Scots Irish were kind of bought in on this idea.
00:18:07.000So he was basically making the contention that.
00:18:09.000If you're not in that group, that doesn't mean you have zero stake in the country or you're not an American or anything.0.97
00:18:14.000What he was saying was the closer you get to that identity, the closer you are to sort of that core American understanding of sort of what it means to be an American that you would sort of see from the founders.
00:18:23.000I mean, the overwhelming majority of the founders were, again, of British stock.
00:18:28.000Again, this isn't to say you can't be.
00:18:29.000I don't think anyone's making that contention.
00:18:31.000It's just saying if the people are coming to this country, what are they going to assimilate to?
00:18:34.000Well, that identity looks a lot like that Anglo Protestant identity, even if you're not an Anglo, even if you're not a Protestant.
00:18:41.000Fair enough, but that's still kind of shocking to me because I've always thought that like the British and the Americans are like different species, not even the same culture.
00:19:03.000Well, I mean, I think the Irish, we're really getting in the weeds here.
00:19:06.000I think there's kind of a broader, like maybe Anglosphere sort of common identity where I think Australians, Canadians, Irish, British, I think these people can all come here.
00:19:15.000And it doesn't feel too exotic to them.
00:19:16.000I think that would be kind of the key word used is exotic.
00:19:18.000I mean, I'll say I have people I know quite well from all of these countries, and they come to the United States and they say, yeah, it's fairly familiar.
00:19:25.000We have a lot of the same customs, a lot of the same understandings, a lot of the same presuppositions.
00:19:29.000Where if someone comes from Somalia, for example, or even to get closer, if someone came from Albania, even though that's European, because this is not a like white thing, I'm not saying this is an exclusionary white thing.
00:19:38.000I'm saying it's a very specific culture, very specific nationality.
00:20:05.000I hear a lot of that anecdotally from a lot of people that travel the world and they see that in a lot of places.
00:20:09.000I think that's the tragic thing across the West is, again, I'm making all these presuppositions if we're talking about these countries.
00:20:14.000But again, these countries have fundamentally changed, even the United States, where, again, what would be the Japanese understanding of an American?
00:20:51.000Diversity on the global scale is actually quite a beautiful thing.
00:20:53.000You know, the fact that Bangladesh is Bengali or the fact that Nigeria is Nigerian, that's a very beautiful thing.
00:20:59.000The idea that a lot of these people are proposing that, you know, the entire world should just turn into one giant group, like one giant homogenous group that has no identifiable features, I find quite tragic.
00:21:10.000And again, this is saying on a global scale, I think it would be tragic if Eritrea ceased to be Eritrean.
00:21:16.000If you could snap your fingers and everyone on earth knew English, would you?
00:21:26.000In Dungeons and Dragons, there's a language called common, and everyone knows common.
00:21:31.000And then there's like elvish and dwarvish and all these things, but humans only speak common.0.62
00:21:36.000I think it's a take on the white, it's on American English and like how Americans only speak it common.0.88
00:21:41.000You know, they only speak English.0.69
00:21:42.000But I personally, my thoughts in 2006 when I started doing this was if we can create a world language, and I like your Tower of Babel reference, but if we had a world language that it'll be a lot easier to do this, to win this culture war.
00:21:55.000Like, once you get someone to speak your language, you've basically won them.
00:22:08.000At scale, it's funny because I never really had a problem with multiculturalism in theory until I started experiencing it.0.60
00:22:15.000Multiculturalism in my neighborhood, in my state, the places where I live, and also seeing how it's impacted all these other countries to the point where you've diluted what made some of these countries historic.
00:22:25.000Well, there's a reason Vermont votes dictatorial numbers for the Democrat Party because they're not exposed to the ramifications of Democrat policy.
00:24:12.000Again, ICE has found over 10,000 potential fraud cases involving a program that permits foreign students to prolong their stay in the United States after graduating from college by claiming work employment.
00:24:22.000The federal investigation into the OPT, that's the Optional Practice Training Program, revealed that thousands of foreign students have been claiming to work at businesses with fraud indicators, many of which are non governmental organizations engaged in, quote, suspicious activity, said ICE Acting Director Todd Lyons during a press conference on Tuesday.
00:24:39.000OPT permits foreign, OPT permits Foreign nationals to work in the United States for 12 or in certain situations 24 months after entering the country on a student visa.
00:24:48.000Additionally, the program enables students to switch to an employer sponsored H 1B visa, according to the DHS website.
00:24:54.000Quote Our nation will not tolerate security threats originating from the foreign student programs.
00:24:58.000Today, we are announcing that we have identified over 10,000 foreign students who claim to be working for highly suspect employers.
00:25:08.000That was the ICE director, Todd Lyons, making that statement.
00:25:13.000Again, what we're looking into here, what we're seeing is, as they said, the OPT, this basically allows these people who came here on student visas to find work and employment in the United States afterwards, which in theory is like, yeah, that makes total sense.
00:25:27.000But the problem is it's being exploited.
00:25:28.000What's happening here is they're setting up fake job mills in order to extend that visa, which is, as I understand it, was a fairly simple process.
00:25:36.000You basically just go and say, Yeah, I got employed.
00:25:38.000I should stay here for an extra 12 months.
00:25:40.000State Department says, Yep, checks out.
00:25:41.000You're here for another 12 months, or in certain cases, two years.
00:25:58.000A lot of these employers were set up by immigrant companies.
00:26:00.000Communities themselves, and then in some cases, NGOs.
00:26:02.000And this was effectively their way of keeping these students in the country because they would not have been able to find employment otherwise.
00:26:40.000I mean, Canada is a great example, actually, of what happens when, again, these programs make a lot of sense.
00:26:48.000I mean, again, if everything was functioning as normally, these programs make a lot of sense.
00:26:51.000For example, in Canada, if you are a good student and then you come to Canada to study, it makes sense that you would be granted a visa so you can study in Canada.
00:27:02.000But what was happening was, again, Immigrant communities, NGOs were involved, but this was primarily immigrant communities, specifically India.
00:27:57.000So they're violating the work and training requirements.
00:28:00.000So all these companies, a lot of these companies, are saying we're hiring these people and they're bringing them in here, even though it's the wrong address.
00:28:07.000They have tax liens, they have red flags, and civil lawsuits against them.
00:28:10.000They're using these to say that they can stay in the United States when they should not be staying in the United States.
00:28:15.000Well, Canada has a solution for having too many people.0.87
00:28:19.000They just tell them to kill themselves, essentially, through a doctor.
00:28:34.000And again, if they determine that this person is going to be like a net drain on the taxpayer, if they were to be treated, that would be the recommendation that would be given to the person.
00:28:42.000So people are literally being prescribed.
00:28:44.000Suicide by the state because of a math formulation.
00:28:47.000I mean, it is absolutely barbaric what is happening all across the West.
00:28:51.000The United States is a bit insulated because obviously state power, believe it or not, isn't quite as encompassing in the United States as it is elsewhere.
00:29:48.000Sarcastically, the beautiful thing about America.
00:29:50.000Well, when we saw the shot across the ballot, I don't know if you guys remember when Beto O'Rourke was running for Senate in Texas, I think it was in 2018 against Ted Cruz.
00:29:58.000And at the time, there was a lot of fervor over shooting, like mass shootings and these sorts of things.
00:30:02.000And so they asked him, they said, Well, okay, as governor of Texas, you can't just take people's guns because there's, you know, a Republican state legislator that would stop that from happening.
00:30:10.000So how do you plan on, as governor, again, clamping down on like assault weapons, for example?
00:30:16.000And he said, What I would do as governor is I would instruct private companies like Chase, I think he cited Chase, you know, specifically, from they would basically not allow private customers to execute a bank transaction with a seller to acquire a.
00:30:31.000You know, an assault weapon, like he was specifically talking about an AR 15.
00:30:34.000So, in short, what he was saying was, I would instruct Chase to not allow you to do business with a gun shop.
00:30:39.000And I think that's kind of the workground in the United States because, again, we don't necessarily have an all encompassing, you know, government.
00:30:44.000But again, government, and you'll like this, Ian, government collaboration with the private sector can actually create far more worse oppression than just straight up state intervention in this instance, where who are you supposed to appeal to?
00:30:55.000There is no private sector to bail you out anymore if you're like a consumer trying to get a transaction done because the private sector's, you know, cozied up with the federal government.
00:32:54.000Because again, the primary reason you're seeing made utilized so heavily in Canada and the UK is because of their public health care and they're trying to lessen the burden on the health care system.
00:33:02.000And again, if someone is facing potentially really expensive treatment, it's just a calculation they're running.
00:33:07.000They're saying, well, if we kill this person, then we don't have to pay for their treatment.
00:33:10.000So, made is the thing they're using to prescribe that to people in Canada, medically assisted, right?
00:34:13.000And maybe, okay, maybe the like, Glad Made doesn't exist here.
00:34:16.000And I guess the reason you're seeing a lot of these policies pass is, again, this is something we've talked about on the show quite extensively, is again, as sort of the high trust society in America erodes, you're going to have to see the government be more proactive to, again, ensure stability, ensure peace among the population.
00:34:35.000These are two countries where, prior to the mass government crackdowns, and Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew and El Salvador's Bukele, and this was in our lifetime, so it's very prevalent, is these societies prior to the takeover of these, I would say it's fair to classify, and I'm not using this as a prerogative, authoritarian leaders, prior to their ascension, these were countries with very low trust.
00:34:53.000These were places where people were terrified to go outside.
00:34:55.000These are places with very, very minimal indications of a healthy society.
00:35:02.000In El Salvador, obviously, it was culminating in Violent crime.
00:35:05.000But even in Singapore, I mean, there was a lot of jostling over political power.0.82
00:35:09.000Malaysia and the entirety of Southeast Asia at the time was a very chippy place, I think, to say the least.
00:35:15.000But Singapore was kind of interesting because they had a large Chinese population, and the rest of Malaysia was primarily Malay.0.86
00:35:20.000So they viewed Singapore as like a problem.
00:35:22.000And so, again, when you have these very low trust societies, the only way to ensure that the population is able to at least have, or able to ensure that society is going to function in any meaningful way, the government has to crack down hard.
00:35:35.000And that's what we're seeing across the West, again, as the high trust societies break down for a variety of reasons, including immigration, which is vital.
00:35:41.000This is why it's so vital that the Trump administration really, you know, knocks us out of the park, is because we have no choice but to move towards authoritarianism, again, if society continues to break down.
00:36:09.000Even the idea of the Wild West, like these gun slinging guys, that was exceptionally peaceful compared to what is going on now and what is now the West, like California, Oregon, Seattle.
00:36:20.000That's the direction we're going to have to go.
00:36:22.000If, again, if we can't agree as a country that, again, we need to have borders, we need to have national sovereignty, people need to be on the same page as far as ethics, morality, customs goes, we have no choice but to introduce a bouquet style government if we want peace.
00:37:41.000Like literal human sacrifice occurring.
00:37:43.000I mean, if you listen, I think it was also on Tucker's show, actually, Bukele talking about some of the things that were going on in El Salvador before the crackdown.
00:37:49.000I mean, it's like, even if you're a full blown atheist, Reddit atheist with the Fedora, That would send chills down your spine, some of the stuff going on in El Salvador prior to Bukele.
00:37:57.000Yeah, in that interview, I'm pretty sure Tucker said, What was the first thing you did when you got in office?
00:38:01.000And he said, I prayed to God for wisdom.
00:38:14.000The American ICE crackdowns was like, I felt like a lead towards overt authoritarian crackdown on street violence, whatever, you know, corruption in the system.
00:38:23.000But, The people reviled so drastically that they pulled back.
00:38:28.000And now I feel like the authoritarianism is digital, like they're using Palantir to hunt this fraud down.
00:38:36.000And it's secret and it's in the background.
00:38:38.000I'm kind of like, well played, sir.0.99
00:38:40.000But at the same time, I feel like I'm ushering in the beast, like the totalitarian technocracy that's going to be spying on when I take a crap.0.98
00:38:47.000It's going to be like, you got worms.0.97
00:38:50.000Why do you think it's authoritarian when it was obeying the law and doing what the law stated?
00:38:55.000Well, if they make a law, like the Patriot Act's.
00:38:58.000Pretty authoritarian, but they'll be like, hey, it's all legal.
00:39:00.000You gave an example of current ICE raids.
00:39:29.000Well, whatever it is, it's not enough.
00:39:31.000And also, it's being poorly executed at some level.
00:39:34.000Do you think it's better to call it a military action or a police action?
00:39:38.000I would say it's a law enforcement action.
00:39:39.000I think the problem, and I'm supportive of ICE because I think what they're attempting to do is something that's very much overdue in the United States.
00:39:47.000But to Chris's point, I mean, part of the problem is, again, the reason why Bukele can do what he can do in El Salvador and the reason why it can't be replicated in the United States is because what is Bukele's approval rating?
00:39:58.000Now, it doesn't matter how well, let's just use a Republican as an example.
00:40:01.000It doesn't matter how well a Republican governs.
00:40:04.000The way that American society is currently structured, you're going to have at least half the country that's going to have a problem with him because it's just the nature of American society.
00:40:11.000And so, again, to take action as drastic as a naive bouquet, we have to be in a dire, dire situation.
00:40:19.000And for the most part, most Americans, even though we're observing a lot of these problems in American society, still don't feel like they're cornered.
00:40:29.000I think American life still functions fairly well, even though it's obviously degraded.
00:40:32.000Obviously, our standard of living is dropping.
00:40:34.000You go to Walgreens, you got to beg the employee to get a stick of deodorant.
00:40:37.000But by the fact that you can drive to a Walgreens and not worry about being carjacked, you know, the worry about a shooting taking place at Walgreens, that indicates that we're not quite at El Salvador level.0.93
00:40:54.000And I don't think it would be terribly relevant because, as I understand, the way most of Latin America works is the media that they consume is mostly like civilizational.
00:41:02.000So, again, like Telemundo, companies like this, Spanish language media kind of transcends national boundaries.
00:41:14.000It's more of like an international sort of thing.
00:41:16.000Happens in Europe where okay, maybe each country has their own specific, um, you know, news aggregator or whatever, but like News 24 is quite ubiquitous across Europe.
00:41:25.000There's a few other outlets that come to mind, and as I understand it, that is the case in Latin America.0.81
00:41:29.000So even if Bukele were to take total control of state of all media actions in the country, I don't think it'd be that consequential.0.97
00:41:37.000I mean, that's the thing is like El Salvador functions now as a first world country, it's just they have a heavy law enforcement.
00:41:44.000That's the only thing that's really ramped up in El Salvador is law enforcement because they had to because people are getting killed on the streets.
00:42:15.000But actually, in practice, what would happen is that during those early crackdowns, if you're talking to a gang member, then you go to prison.
00:42:21.000And he might not ever be heard from again.
00:43:03.000And like the entire, like, you know, at least half the country was like ready to ride over it.
00:43:07.000So that just tells you that like, even though things are heading that direction, we're just not quite there yet.
00:43:13.000And I don't think we should ever, well, maybe not never, but ideally, we shouldn't have to beg the federal government to police our neighborhoods.
00:43:21.000Like, that's what we're supposed to do as American citizens with militia.
00:43:24.000And, you know, ideally, I think that's the intention of the nation.
00:43:33.000I mean, we're in a different state than what we used to be back in the day.
00:43:38.000But having your own local militia nowadays to wait right, like how could you organize ice raids with the local?
00:43:44.000That'd be like having the protected neighborhood community guys, but they get in trouble because they're on their terrace because they're a group patrolling their own, you know, their own streets.
00:43:52.000Yeah, and it just reached, yeah, in itself.
00:43:55.000Well, in the areas that you would really need to penetrate the most are very Democrat areas, so major cities, state of California.
00:44:00.000Yeah, you're not coming to the suburbs.
00:44:03.000So, even then, I mean, look, half the country voted for Trump, and Trump was pretty explicit that, yes, we're going to send federal agents into these cities to deport illegal immigrants.
00:44:12.000And so, half the country signed off on it.
00:44:14.000That was like his biggest policy that everyone was talking about.
00:44:16.000With that, we got to get into this next story, move on a bit from immigration.
00:44:22.000From time, California mayor resigns, admitting to being an agent for China.
00:44:28.000The mayor of a Los Angeles suburb resigned Monday as U.S. officials announced that she will plead guilty in federal court.
00:44:34.000To acting as an illegal agent for the Chinese government.
00:44:37.000Federal prosecutors announced Monday that Eileen Wang, 58, of Arcadia, California, has been charged with one count of acting in the U.S. as an illegal agent of a foreign government and is, quote, expected to plead guilty in the coming weeks.
00:44:51.000The charge is punishable with up to 10 years in prison, quote, Mayor Wang admitted to acting as a foreign agent from at least 2020 through 2022, promoting PRC propaganda in the United States and acting at the PRC's discretion or direction, rather, to promote their interests.
00:45:08.000FBI and our federal partners continue to move aggressively to root out this kind of influence in American institutions all over the country.
00:45:15.000Here's just a little background on Eileen here.0.79
00:45:36.000I think there's been a little bit of suspicion for a long time that, again, Whether we like it or not, the CCP has probably infiltrated the United States a little bit more than we would like to care to admit.
00:45:46.000Now, obviously, this is high profile because this is an elected official, but there's been discussions at the student visa level, like a lot of these students coming in from China.
00:45:52.000Again, these people, they keep a tight, stiff upper lip.
00:45:56.000Like they will not disclose a lot of their premonitions.
00:46:00.000So, what do you guys make of all this?
00:46:01.000Well, not to go for the low hanging fruit, but I think it was kind of a dick move on Mrs. Wang's part to do that.0.98
00:46:06.000Those are the only dick jokes I'm going to make.0.98
00:46:38.000Which was funny because Swalwell got busted again, rape charges pending and all that.
00:46:43.000Initially, what's gotten him thrown out was basically infidelity, which is wrong, obviously, but it's not the First time a congressman's cheated on his wife, I would have thought the affair with a CCP agent was worthy of getting kicked out of Congress and probably your citizenship, but that's just me.
00:46:56.000I didn't realize he was married, uh, with a family.
00:46:59.000I just guys have been all over the place.
00:47:01.000I didn't realize he was straight, yeah, yeah.0.88
00:48:37.000I mean, obviously, it's very concerning if the CCP is electing officials in the United States.
00:48:41.000But it's difficult because, again, we have to view all people as interchangeable cogs and that people will not have, again, preconceived notions regarding how they view American sovereignty and these sorts of things.
00:48:53.000And we're going to continue to be surprised and blindsided by this.
00:49:06.000But you see, I mean, Ilhan Omar literally gets up and she's like, I'm fighting for the Somali community.
00:49:12.000And it's like, okay, Somalia is not a global adversary.
00:49:14.000But again, does raise the question, what are you doing here then?0.64
00:49:18.000You know, if you're not here to serve Americans, if you're not here to serve your constituents, you're here to serve Somalis.
00:49:23.000It's a very salient question because, you know, whether we like it or not, in the same state of California, Steve Hilton running for governor there, he's not like getting up and saying, I'm going to fight for the British community in California.
00:49:32.000It's like, you know, it's just a tough conversation to have, but we need to be a little realistic here.
00:49:37.000It's like, again, if someone, Is born in China and they're a little bit vague or opaque on these types of issues.
00:49:51.000Well, I mean, there's been the discussion of people in the House of Representatives and the Senate should not be able to hold dual citizenship.
00:49:58.000Should that, first of all, be enacted absolutely a thousand percent?
00:50:02.000But should that trickle down to the local level as well?
00:50:04.000Like you really need to prove that you're loyal to America and only America and Even more so, your local community.
00:50:12.000Everything starts at the community level and just moves up from there.
00:50:16.000Her campaign manager, also, by the way, is Yao Ning Sun, is serving a four year prison sentence as well.
00:50:22.000So, her campaign manager, so there's a couple people involved.
00:50:47.000My interjection here would be that, again, the CCP is actually quite clever here with where, let's just say she was operating as a provocateur.
00:50:54.000They were directing her political career, which I don't think is true.
00:50:56.000I think she had overlapping interests and ended up working with the CCP.
00:50:59.000But again, the reason I say no one's ever heard of Arcadia is because no one would be looking there.
00:51:03.000Again, if Eileen Wang became mayor of Los Angeles, that'd be a lot more high profile.
00:51:08.000You would probably have people combing through her story a lot more extensively.
00:51:12.000And we would have found this out a lot earlier.
00:51:14.000My concern is that, again, people are able to operate away from the limelight.
00:52:32.000Was he giving her secrets or was it just dating a Chinese spy is enough?0.65
00:52:36.000I don't know what their pillow talk was, but apparently dating a Chinese spy was not enough because he didn't really suffer any consequences from it until the video of him with some random hooker came out.
00:52:46.000Clearly, the least perverse person working for the federal government.
00:52:49.000I was going to say that's the same thing as, like, we'll just take Britain.
00:52:53.000England, for example, you start small, like with their Muslim community and the Pakistanis, and for people, South Asians, you start small and you build and you build and you build and you build and then you take over.1.00
00:53:04.000And we can't be having that in America.1.00
00:53:05.000I'm not, we're not going to, we can't allow it, and I will not stand by it.0.99
00:53:09.000This is why it's so concerning when you see, again, like ethnic voting blocs, because, again, they may be able to just participate in the system as it is, as it stands, you know, as like 2026 terms.0.99
00:53:18.000The UK is a great example where, again, they experienced large scale mass migration.0.74
00:53:22.000A lot of these people came from Islamic countries and they came to the United Kingdom.
00:53:25.000And the share of like foreign born or foreign heritage in the UK is far lower than the United States.
00:53:32.000So, you know, the United States, you might start to see this mobilization occur.
00:53:35.000Last local elections in the UK was last weekend.
00:53:38.000Again, the Muslim migrants to Britain primarily voted for the Labor Party, which would be the analog for maybe the Democrat Party in the United States.0.62
00:53:44.000They're varying depending on who's in charge, left wing to center left.
00:53:47.000The Muslims are fine voting for this Labor Party for a long time.
00:53:51.000But again, they would make statements that people on the right would point to and said, hey, these guys are planning on mobilizing.
00:53:56.000It's not going to be like a global infantata, it's going to be just influencing your government to benefit that community.
00:54:02.000What we saw in the last local elections is quite literally a Muslim sovereignty party got maybe 200 local councillors elected, which would be the equivalent of city councillors in the United States.0.62
00:54:22.000My point I'm making here is that, again, we should fear foreign blocs coming to our countries and then advocating for their own policy above their adopted countrymen.0.98
00:54:31.000You're seeing this in the United States all the time.1.00
00:55:41.000I mean, let's start granular here because obviously, like, what I brought up was the Hasidic community in Brooklyn.0.91
00:55:45.000And again, if you can't differentiate between like a Hasidic and like Jerry Seinfeld, Then you probably shouldn't be participating in the conversation because there's like two dramatically different groups of people.
00:55:53.000And again, like people just have poor understandings of like demographics, how these things work, et cetera, et cetera.0.93
00:55:59.000Where again, like you would be indistinguishable from any other American, even someone like Jerry Seinfeld, like very well integrated and ingrained in American society versus again, like Hasidic Jewish people, which is a specific sect of Judaism that again, they're extrapolating exorbitant amounts of welfare money from the taxpayer.0.82
00:56:16.000They refuse to assimilate, they've been here three, four generations, and they refuse to do business with.0.94
00:56:20.000Americans, they literally refer to us as outsiders.
00:56:25.000So, again, I'm just contesting the idea that we should tolerate like ethnic blocs existing in the United States.1.00
00:56:30.000Does that mean the federal government should go there and bust it up?0.99
00:56:32.000No, I'm just saying that people have the right to be upset when groups come to this country promising that they're going to participate in the American Social Compact and then they don't.
00:56:40.000They get here and just do their own thing.0.98
00:57:15.000And that goes back to my original point is like, okay, who is going to be more assimilable into the United States?1.00
00:57:19.000Well, the fact that we don't really have any Australian or British or Irish blocs that advocate for their own people indicates that they assimilate quite well.
00:58:16.000And, like, this is why we have to have a sensible immigration.1.00
00:58:19.000I know we've been hitting on it all show, but it's so true because I think about myself.
00:58:21.000If I were to move to Australia, if I were to move to Britain, if I were to move to Ireland, it would be quite easy for me to assimilate into local life.
00:58:30.000Now, if I moved to Algeria, I'd be pretty freaked out.0.99
00:58:34.000I would refuse to assimilate most likely, and I would, like, require my kids to, like, Sort of be brought up in my cultural tastes, my cultural customs, et cetera, et cetera, because it's very exotic.1.00
00:58:45.000And the reason that is a good reason for why Algeria should reject me if I ever seek to immigrate there, because it's very sensible for me to view a very exotic culture as potentially adversarial to my core values and my core beliefs.0.90
00:58:57.000So we just had to flip flop the other way around.1.00
00:59:00.000That's just the reality of the situation is okay, if I move to Greece, you know, would I assimilate?
00:59:05.000It'd be difficult for me to grasp the language, but at least it would be a slightly, it would be a little bit less of a barrier than it would be if I moved.
00:59:38.000Trying to turn that around and think about what these people are going through.
00:59:40.000But I guess it's just better because what I would say is like use the internet.0.96
00:59:43.000If you want to change the culture of the United States to To Yiddish or to Somali or whatever the freak you're doing, use the internet.0.87
00:59:49.000Don't come here and disrupt from the inside or there's going to be problems.0.99
00:59:53.000But then if they don't come here, then they don't get the benefits of being here.
00:59:58.000Well, and I think you're making a really good point is we can't necessarily be channeling all of our outrage at the people that were just following a very natural incentive structure, which was the border was wide open.
01:00:11.000Again, I'm more upset at our lawmakers and the people that cheered them on when they were advocating for this suicidal. Immigration policy.
01:00:21.000I mean, okay, yes, you can be upset, especially at the ones that are committing crimes, but broadly, most of your ire should be directed at your lawmakers that allowed this to happen.
01:01:03.000You know, if Laura Loomer's, you got a problem.
01:01:07.000Yeah, it is important to stay focused on anger at the policies and the non governmental organizations and not the individuals, man, because that's like you were saying earlier, like COINTELPRO.0.97
01:01:17.000You want to get a global revolution and you want to topple the United States, get them to go at each other from the inside, and then get them to beg for technocracy to spy on these foreigners, you know, that crap.
01:01:28.000I don't want to say it like it's got to be careful with even joking about it or hypothesizing it because it could happen.
01:01:43.000From the Gateway pundit, breaking two high level White House insiders caught on undercover video bragging about internal subversion against President Trump.
01:01:55.000The O'Keeffe Media Group on Tuesday released undercover video of White House insiders bragging about an internal subversion against President Trump.
01:02:02.000Maxime Lott, a special assistant to President Trump on the White House Domestic Policy Council, admitted to the OMG.
01:02:08.000I love that their initials are OMG, by the way.
01:02:10.000The OMG undercover journalist that domestic policy decisions are often made based on what, quote, feels like a good idea.
01:02:17.000He continued, in theory, everything should come from the president, but it might come from the level below him, Trump, where they're like.
01:02:26.000I think I know the president well enough to say what he would say on this.
01:02:30.000Benjamin Elliston, a budget analysis manager within the executive office of the president, expressed, quote, we have to get rid of Trump.
01:02:37.000He's, talking about Trump, effing it up for everybody.
01:02:42.000The O'Keeffe media group continued here.
01:02:45.000Maxime Wand, et cetera, et cetera, admitted.
01:02:48.000Lott reveals that White House officials frequently make decisions based on their own interpretation of Trump's preferences, stating, I think I know what the president well enough to see what he would say on this.
01:02:56.000So, again, this is what we all discussed.
01:02:58.000I'm going to play this video here from James O'Keeffe.
01:03:00.000This is really some shocking stuff here.
01:03:14.000I think it's just the overall tone and, like, you know, the government right now is a little bit like, I don't want to be very, like, pressured to fix itself.
01:03:22.000Maxim Lott even acknowledges that officials below Trump will often make decisions for the president, presuming what his stance would be.
01:03:31.000In theory, everything he said sort of comes to the president.
01:03:34.000But it might come from the level below him where they're like, they're like, I think I know the president well enough to say what he would say on this.
01:03:49.000I could potentially have overlapping policy positions with him.
01:03:52.000My first contention is can we please stop spilling our guts to journalists because we're on a date and then we just spill our guts to this woman and presuming that, again, first of all, that your date would care?
01:04:02.000Like, hello, what are we doing here?0.96
01:04:05.000So, again, I'm not necessarily even making the contention that Maxime Lott is behaving subversively here because, again, I don't know specifically what his policy proposals are.
01:04:18.000The problem here is the principle, the idea that there are Trump staffers that feel comfortable enough to openly admit that they are making decisions, policy making decisions based off of what they think Trump would make.
01:04:29.000It's also an indication that the centralized authority of the president is not like it's a big, a lot of governance that has to go through this one guy that doesn't have time for it, apparently.
01:04:40.000That's why I don't find this even remotely scandalous or revelatory.
01:04:44.000I mean, I assume this is what's happening, what these people are saying.
01:04:48.000But I mean, they're talking about it trickling up, sort of.
01:04:50.000That's kind of strange because I thought we were.
01:04:52.000Governed by a permanent unelected bureaucracy behind the scenes that's never held to account for anything.
01:04:59.000I mean, because look, here's at least as I see it, the fundamental problem here is you would expect cabinet officials to say something like this because, again, they were appointed by Trump.
01:05:15.000I don't know, Brooke Rollins, USDA administer, it would make sense that she does operate with a bit of autonomy because, again, President Trump has put her in that position, presuming that she will carry out his agenda in that position.
01:05:26.000And if she ever ceased to do that, she would be reprimanded or removed from her position.
01:05:39.000I am saying that the principle here is a bit concerning that they feel comfortable enough to operate like this because we have seen sometimes throughout President Trump's administration that some of these policymakers, especially in Trump one, it's not as big of a problem in Trump two, but in Trump one, we did have a lot of rogue policymakers.
01:06:00.000And, okay, yes, the unelected bureaucrat problem is a problem, but again, we're talking about Is President Trump going to be able to oversee every single thing going on?
01:06:07.000No, that's why he has cabinet officials.
01:06:09.000That's why he has appointees, et cetera.
01:06:10.000But on domestic policy, that should be something that Trump and his trusted circle should be dictating.
01:06:15.000You're Stephen Miller's, you know, these sorts of people.
01:06:17.000So I don't know what you guys make of all this.
01:06:21.000I was going to say, yeah, there's delegation.
01:06:24.000I agree with what you're saying, Tate.
01:06:26.000Say if Ian wanted me to build a bat house and he's like, put a bat house over there, put a bat house over there so we can get bats at night.
01:07:25.000I mean, look, Maxime Lott, he's likely a Trump appointee.
01:07:29.000So I think it would be safe to say that the way he's conducted himself would probably be in line with the Trump agenda broadly.
01:07:34.000But you brought up unelected bureaucrats.
01:07:36.000There are a lot of people, you can ask anyone that works in the admin, they have to work with people that are not on board with the Trump agenda.
01:07:42.000Do they feel empowered to conduct themselves in this manner?
01:07:44.000Because again, I don't think this is scandalous, what Maxim Lott has said here.
01:07:47.000And I don't think this is really an indictment necessarily of what he's saying.
01:07:50.000I think it's more of an indictment of the general culture of how the White House operates.
01:07:53.000This would have been a problem under Biden, would have been a problem under Trump, would have been a problem under Obama.
01:07:57.000Is again, do bureaucrats who are not Trump appointees, that were not signed off on when people voted for President Trump, do they feel empowered to conduct themselves in this manner?
01:08:13.000I mean, I can almost guarantee it that they're doing one little thing, this or that, dotting one T, missing one comma, or anything else that they're going to do any kind of subvert anything they can if they don't, if not in with the Trump program.
01:08:24.000And technically, if there's a 100% chance of something occurring, it is possible.
01:09:04.000And again, if you're sticking your head out to advocate for something that would not be in line with the Trump administration's, you know, popular agenda, so to speak, you'd probably get canned pretty quickly.
01:09:13.000My concern would more be on the Intel side, because this is where we know that there's a lot of rogue bureaucrats, rogue Intel actors.
01:09:19.000And again, that is where they're able to shape policy in ways that really slide under our noses.
01:09:41.000It's getting better, but they were dependent for a long time on career guys.
01:09:44.000And career guys have their own agenda.
01:09:46.000Career guys are not signed off on by the American people when they're elected.
01:09:49.000And the intel apparatus is littered with them.0.99
01:09:51.000Now, Tulsi Gabbard, obviously, we've seen stories where she has attempted to clean house.
01:09:55.000But again, you only have access to so much personnel.
01:09:56.000There's a lot of things that need to get done and that runs the risk of, again, these people that just feel like, Hey, it's kind of the culture down here to just kind of, oh, I'm doing this.
01:10:04.000You know, President Trump would be totally in line with this and then conduct operations, you know, in a variety of ways that would be drastically out of step.
01:10:11.000Well, the intelligence community is essentially a de facto fourth branch of government at this point.
01:10:15.000I mean, especially when you look at the integration with Palantir, you know, Peter Thiel's past association with JD Vance.
01:10:22.000Really, like Palantir, their big thing right now that they're looking for is reauthorization of the FISA 702 authority.
01:10:28.000That's the warrantless mass metadata collection that sweeps up everyone's communications.
01:10:35.000And you look at the last time that came up, and JD Vance abstained from voting, he didn't vote yes or no.
01:10:39.000And so that gives me a little bit of pause.
01:10:41.000Like, is he actually going to affect change and actually like push people away from that sort of thing, or is he going to be beholden to the billionaire class?
01:10:49.000But it's just Peter Thiel instead of George Soros.
01:10:53.000Is that I hear people, I hear he's a right hand man, or maybe like his mentor is Peter Thiel in certain aspects.
01:11:02.000Like, that can be very bad for us as a country if he's if it's you love technocracy.
01:11:08.000If his main goal is to follow what this gentleman says, what Peter Thiel says, instead of what the American people say, well, it's kind of a difficult subject to approach because, again, best case scenario, you have zero billionaires influencing politics.
01:11:22.000Obviously, that'd be a best case scenario.
01:11:23.000We go back to the way that our country was constructed.
01:11:26.000The situation that we're in, where, again, we do have a security apparatus, we do have an intel apparatus, we have a surveillance apparatus, whether we like it or not, is a company like Palantir, is this person like Peter Thiel more or less amenable to the desires of conservatives than.
01:11:41.000Basically, any of the other offerings.
01:11:42.000Because the way I view it, at least, is that you have to view it like a vacuum.
01:11:45.000If Palantir, you know, if we truly united against Palantir and pushed them out of any influence in the US government, does Meta or Alphabet not just step in and absorb that vacuum?
01:11:53.000I mean, that's the way I view it, where I'm like, okay, well, at least, and I'm not like running cover for Palantir.
01:11:57.000I'm just trying to be like, you know, I try to look at this objectively.
01:12:01.000At least they're amenable to, again, popular conservative policymaking.
01:12:06.000At least they seem to, again, maybe push things in our direction from time to time versus, again, the United States, whether we like it or not, they're going to scrape data.
01:12:16.000Is it would rather have, like, I don't know, a Bill Gates or a Mark Zuckerberg overseeing that operation or potentially figures that we don't even know?
01:12:26.000The CCP could be the one, like, if the vacuum, if we were to say, like, hey, no more spying in America, none, somebody's going to do it.
01:12:34.000And then we're disempowered because our own government doesn't have the access to the data.
01:12:38.000And there's a lot of things in the United States that want to destroy the United States that it's kind of good that our government knows about.
01:12:44.000I'd love to hear what your take is on it, Mark.
01:12:59.000And we essentially don't have it anymore.
01:13:02.000And, you know, I think it's bad that the government's doing these things, but much to your point, there's private corporations doing this as well.
01:13:09.000There's so many data aggregators that are scraping, excuse me, scraping everything that you do online and packaging it up and selling it to the highest bidder.
01:13:19.000So it's like, do I want the government doing that or do I want a private corporation profiting off of it?
01:13:49.000Last night when we were talking, me and Brett, Brett Weinstein, I was talking about uh, he was like, we need a like a digital second amendment.
01:14:51.000You should be able to figure out when people are planning something that is bad that is going to hurt American citizens.
01:14:56.000But at the same time, you shouldn't just willy nilly scrape up every single bit of information, put it on an NSA server in Utah, mask it, and You know, have the ability at some point in the future to get a warrant and go back through time and look at all of that information that was collected outside of the warrant, but the warrant applies retroactively.
01:15:26.000And it's one of those difficult conundrums because it's like once you instigate, once you start a boss fight, you can't walk away from the boss fight.
01:15:32.000A good example I would use for this is again, you have a lot of people who are deeply concerned about the surveillance state, they're deeply concerned about all these things.
01:15:41.000But following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, everyone was clamoring for a massive crackdown on left wing agitators, Antifa, et cetera, et cetera.
01:15:49.000But then they simultaneously held both positions.
01:15:51.000And I'm like, what do you think a crackdown is going to entail?
01:15:54.000Door knocking, police like randomly door knocking?
01:16:18.000And again, if you start falling behind in technological races, they're not going to say, oh, okay, well, the U.S. gave up, so we can chill now.
01:16:42.000Freaking China, they make our parts for a lot of our major power grids, and they can put little, A little switching in, or whatever they want to do to turn it all off.1.00
01:16:51.000Yeah, think of all the zero day exploits that are built into devices that are made in Chinese factories, American devices designed.0.96
01:17:00.000And a factory in China, they could just sneak something in and keep that to themselves.
01:17:05.000I was going to say, when you were saying the surveillance state or how would a crackdown look, it would be like data aggregation, see who's talking to who.
01:17:15.000I started to think about Boo Kelly and how people were getting locked up for talking to a gang member.
01:17:20.000And like, That's why I think we got to start slow with this spy tech, deep state technocratic.
01:17:29.000Because if it goes too hard, if we wait too long and then it becomes really, really desperately abrupt, you will go to prison for talking to someone that was bad.
01:17:51.000Well, it's the same argument that people, conservatives, make on gun control, which is like, Okay, if you ban guns, you know, like let's just say a city of Memphis, right?
01:17:59.000A city with exceptionally high crime, violent crime.0.59
01:18:02.000Well, we're going to ban guns to stop gun crime.0.70
01:18:04.000Well, that doesn't stop the criminals.0.63
01:18:06.000That just stops the like law abiding citizens who would obey with whatever the law is.
01:18:10.000I mean, the law says don't murder, so they don't murder.
01:18:13.000So it's like, again, if you implement gun control, if you implement gun bans, that only impacts people that were already abiding by the law anyway.
01:18:19.000So it's like you're not actually preventing anything from, you know, any bad actors from acting maliciously.
01:18:24.000It's kind of the, at least as I see it, the same fundamental principle that we're talking about here, which is, okay, You're stripping it away from people that weren't intending to use it for evil anyway.
01:18:31.000You're just guaranteeing that, again, like a China or other rogue bad actors gobble up even more power.
01:18:37.000Mark, you were saying that what's unconstitutional or what should be, what is unconstitutional but is currently legal, which is a weird way to put it, is that they're scraping up mass amounts of data.
01:18:49.000So, how do you feel about pre crime technology where they only scrape up data if they think they've determined through like artificial intelligence algorithmics that you might or very likely could be a problem?
01:19:01.000Just with the fact that we've seen so much AI likes to hallucinate a lot, it likes to aim to please its master, whoever, you know, there's right now somewhere in the world, there is the stupidest person ever typing something into ChatGPT, and ChatGPT is, you're absolutely right.
01:19:43.000But I do just want to say that I know that my dear friend and colleague Shane Cashman wants desperately to teleport himself into this room and set us all straight on Palantir.
01:19:52.000And I'll just share one thing that he said on X today that it's one of those things I read it once and I'm never going to forget it.
01:19:56.000He said that JD Vance is the data center of politicians.
01:20:00.000When you say we're in a Chinese finger trap, what do you mean exactly?
01:20:30.000And this is why I take this sort of contrarian position because on the right, again, the popular.
01:20:35.000I'm not going to say boogeyman because that's kind of a degrading thing to say, but I just can't think of a better synonym to use here.
01:20:40.000Why people, again, constantly pointing to Palantir, again, I'm just saying I'm kind of in that boat to some degree is like, well, there's not many options right now.
01:21:01.000Democracy is pretty much impossible to collapse.
01:21:03.000I mean, South Africa is a great example.
01:21:05.000South Africa should have collapsed a long time ago.
01:21:06.000But the way that, again, liberal democracies function, it is very hard to collapse one.
01:21:10.000So, again, Palantir, you just have to evaluate on its face, articulate what specifically is bad about it and what makes it worse than any of the other data collector shows in town that, again, will just.
01:21:21.000Let's like gobble up any vacuum left over from Palantir.
01:22:10.000I watched the first season of Pluribus as well.
01:22:12.000It's an Apple TV show about an alien hive mind virus that comes in, and there's a couple people that are resistant to it, but it's very interesting.
01:22:59.000Because Ian's a very mellow, chill guy, but then all of a sudden he read Raymond's Twitter, and then Raymond, who he thought was a chill guy, is actually really angry.
01:23:06.000And now you get angry because Raymond's angry.
01:23:33.000And this is why I want to get to this last story.
01:23:35.000Originally, we were going to go with Mike Pence, but I don't think that fits in very well.
01:23:37.000That's the direction I want to keep pontificating on this idea.
01:23:40.000From the Wall Street Journal SpaceX and Google are in talks to launch data centers in orbit.
01:23:46.000A deal between the two tech titans would give a boost to SpaceX's business ahead of a historic public listing.
01:23:54.000A launch deal would put the two companies in a partnership as they gear up to compete on orbital data centers, an unproven technology that SpaceX chief executive Elon Musk has said is the next frontier for his rocket company.
01:24:05.000This is not my domain, but it sounds like it is Ian Crossan's domain.
01:24:09.000I've been thinking about using it since about 2011.
01:24:13.000It seemed like it was actually feasible to store data in DNA or in glass cubes in orbit.
01:24:19.000And I just keep picturing like firing a laser from Earth in and like hitting a data center and just getting the data.
01:24:25.000And then I'm like, maybe they're already out there.
01:24:27.000Like maybe a species 100 million years ago seeded data centers and we just don't know where they are.
01:24:31.000Because if we hide data centers underground or out in orbit and then humanity suffers a cataclysmic wipeout on the surface, We wouldn't know they were there for another million years, potentially.
01:25:24.000I think data centers should be moved to space if possible.
01:25:27.000There's a YouTuber, Ben Jordan, who did a really deep dive into the infrasound that is coming off of these data centers and affecting people that live in the neighborhoods.
01:25:37.000He's doing a project right now to capture and quantify just how much infrasound is coming out in these neighborhoods, I guess, to organize a class action lawsuit.
01:25:45.000But it's using up natural resources, it's using up power.
01:25:51.000Unlimited free power from the sun frees up resources on the earth.
01:25:54.000This also, I feel like it gives vindication when Donald Trump said, The windmills are giving people cancer or something like that.
01:26:00.000The windmills, because the sound will destroy people.
01:26:04.000I mean, the dudes that took shell shock in World War I from all the artillery going off, they came back physically broken in a lot of ways.
01:26:11.000Yeah, you expose people to this kind of, and you're just calling it infrasound, meaning it's below human perception.
01:26:37.000But, you know, we have to be able to make funny pictures with AI.
01:26:40.000Well, now, to play devil's advocate here, I mean, look, one of the objectives for the American right for some time now has been sort of reindustrializing the United States, right?
01:26:47.000We want to see an increase in manufacturing, an increase in industry, hard industry, and these sorts of things.
01:26:52.000Now, you have to ask yourself in 2026, what does hard industry look like?
01:26:56.000Data centers might be an example of that.
01:26:58.000And so far as people were used to furniture shops or textile mills or steel mills moving into their towns prior, those left and those towns collapsed.
01:27:07.000Now, is there an argument to be made that, again, data centers are sort of the 21st century, really 2026, sort of analog for, again, hard industry, reindustrialization?
01:27:17.000Yeah, because they're going to make chips that are faster and require less electricity.
01:27:21.000So these giant megalithic buildings are going to become, start to become obsolete, like ghost towns, like the iron, you know, like Akron, Ohio, after the rubber boom of the 1950s.
01:27:29.000What concerns me, you were talking about.
01:27:31.000Like the re, this is the new industrial revolution, is the AI revolution.
01:27:36.000So when it orbits over China, does China have a cast of spell to blow it up because it's above their country?0.77
01:27:42.000Like it's going to be the reason why now they're going to make the argument that we have to militarize space to protect our data centers.0.71
01:28:39.000I don't know enough about the thrust, the rocketry.
01:28:42.000Yeah, well, I think also a calculation on it with other countries is if you shoot something in space, it creates untold amounts of shrapnel and it basically traps you on the planet, destroys a bunch of other things that are in orbit.
01:28:55.000Because a little piece of glass or a little piece of metal flying at 17,000 miles an hour is going to cause some major problems.0.68
01:29:02.000And so I think what's holding them back is almost the same principle with nuclear weapons, mutually assured destruction.
01:29:09.000If they shoot a satellite in space and it creates all this debris field, They handicap themselves.
01:31:35.000I don't know if you heard the story about MLK Jr. receiving a letter in the mail being like, hey, we know you're cheating on your wife.1.00
01:31:45.000And so these black groups were gaining so much power.0.99
01:31:49.000And so much cohesion working together, they had to stop it.0.98
01:31:53.000And so they had to subvert it by going after a leader of one of them.
01:31:56.000They would send letters that purported to be from members of other groups to opposing groups to try and start fights between them to stop them from working together.
01:32:06.000They would bring an agent provocateur to protest, to start drama, to start beating people up, to start looting, to misbehave, to essentially weaken that movement.
01:32:17.000And we saw something similar with the fall of Occupy Wall Street in the early 2010s.
01:32:22.000Which coincidentally rises with the fall of Occupy Wall Street, rises with instances of the words racism and white and black appearing in national newspapers.
01:32:32.000So, this woke culture came directly out of subverting Occupy Wall Street.
01:32:55.000One that gets me the most that you mentioned of all these like tactics that, you know, counterintelligence tactics is where you get two enemies to start fighting each other.
01:33:20.000I learned it in Romance of the Three Kingdoms by playing it on the Sega Genesis.
01:33:24.000I don't know what the term was, but it was a very lucrative.
01:33:27.000I mean, if you get two opponents to exhaust themselves, I think that's what's happening today on the internet with podcasters and they're making money from it.
01:33:37.000And the more controversial ones, some of them are being algorithmically boosted to sow that dissent, like to sow that discord between people.
01:33:49.000So the conservative base is totally fractured because you have these different warring factions, the podcast wars, as Michael Knowles affectionately refers to it as.
01:33:59.000It's by design and it's being encouraged by big tech.
01:34:02.000And it's, I see why big tech would do it because it serves two purposes for them it drives engagement, so they get money from it.
01:34:52.000And he takes a really deep dive into COINTELPRO, the likely associations between that, the CIA and Charles Manson, and the whole 60s radical movement.
01:36:00.000And you're even seeing it in the LGBT community itself.0.99
01:36:03.000The LGBs and the Ts are starting to fight with each other.0.98
01:36:07.000And that whole thing is another rabbit hole.0.99
01:36:11.000One interesting thing that I did notice as a reporter in Southern California was that there were these kind of unlikely bedfellows of alliances among Muslim parents and Christian parents that were pushing back against all of the LGBTQ gender goblin stuff.1.00
01:36:58.000So the grandfather of Judah, father of Jacob, Israel.
01:37:01.000I think generally for Muslims, Christians, Jews, I think God takes more precedent than Abraham.
01:37:06.000But I reject the notion of an Islamic Christian alliance purely.
01:37:11.000Based on what utility do Christians have for Muslims?
01:37:15.000Because again, this is the same false premise of a left right alliance.0.83
01:37:21.000What does the right offer the left?0.92
01:37:23.000Because again, the left, Muslims, have demonstrated, I'm studying this separately here, but they often work in collaboration.
01:37:29.000They often are able to impose their will in spite of their host population, or in the left's case, I'm just tripping on my words, they're able to impose their will in spite of the right's opposition.
01:37:47.000Even the left, or just even if we were to speculate an Islamic Christian alliance.0.54
01:37:51.000I think, like, every time this has been tried, at least over the last few years, what typically happens is the Christians will fight to advance Islamic causes, but it's never the other way around.0.93
01:38:00.000Like, we can give them, like, we like freedom of speeches and freedom of liberty and property rights, but that's what they can gain from us, but they'll take that and throw it out the door.0.98
01:38:21.000I think the Judeo Christian thing was more of like a top down effort to maybe find common ground because the conservative movement following the 1960s, there was a lot of Jewish intellectuals.
01:38:31.000And I'm not saying this is like a pejorative, I'm just saying it's just the reality on the ground.
01:38:34.000And so we felt like, okay, we have some common understanding and culture war ideas and stuff so we can unite.
01:38:40.000But I don't utilize the term Judeo Christian because I think, like, I think actually it was Yoram Hazoni said that he believes that Jews, and he's a Jewish gentleman, he said that Jews should be maximally Jewish, Christians should be maximally Christian.
01:38:52.000And if that's the case, There's actually not going to be much in common because, okay, where there is overlapping interest, there may be.
01:38:57.000But again, Christians do have a fundamentally different view of God, like who God is.
01:39:03.000We believe that Christ is the Son of God.0.61
01:39:06.000Therefore, it's difficult to truly merge those two in any meaningful way beyond, like, again, some culture war issues where we do find ourselves linking shields.
01:39:16.000Is there a way to, like, with Islam?0.77
01:39:34.000I mean, I know it's defined differently, but that doesn't mean it's not the same thing.
01:39:38.000Actually, off camera, I got into this a little bit with Brett Weinstein yesterday, and he said he doesn't use the term Judeo Christian either.
01:39:45.000He said that the New Testament is an upgrade, not a sequel, which I thought was a very clever way of putting it.
01:39:50.000I never thought of it that way, but he's correct.1.00
01:39:52.000So there are some fundamental differences between Abrahamic religions that can't really be reconciled.0.98
01:39:56.000Yeah, like as a Christian, I would contest that if you're not adhering to the Triune God, right?
01:40:01.000God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, then that's not the God, that is not your creator that is going to essentially be in communion with you for you to enter heaven.0.90
01:40:09.000And I think if a Muslim is being honest or if a Jewish person is being honest, they would make that same contestment.0.93
01:40:15.000It's just in public, when we're in public spaces debating, it's polite to not like speak about those hard divisions.0.88
01:40:22.000But especially in regards to Islam, you've seen that, again, they do have some fundamental differences between us and Christians.
01:40:28.000It's not very useful for either of us to like really seek an alliance because.
01:40:33.000There's maybe overlapping interests in regards to, I don't know, maybe like LGBT things, maybe abortion.
01:40:39.000That's really where the like locking shields potential really stops.0.64
01:40:42.000I see it sort of as like a necessity against to buffer against a greater evil, like the way that the Americans and the Soviets came together to fight the Nazis in World War II.
01:40:52.000That there is not that like Taoism or Buddhism is the big threat out there, but I feel like there's more technical threats than religion that we could.0.95
01:41:01.000I probably have a lot more in common with a secular American than a Pakistani Muslim.0.99
01:41:05.000Religion's way more stronger than.0.96
01:41:07.000Powerful than in some army over the long scale of things.0.84
01:41:11.000But I would also make the testament, this is going to be unpopular with the audience, but this is just how I feel.
01:41:15.000I would have a lot more in common with a secular American than, like, I don't know, like a Haitian Christian, because it's like, okay, we do have some worldview overlaps.
01:41:24.000But the reality is that Western civilization structurally is Christian insofar as how we structure morality, ethics, customs, et cetera, et cetera.
01:41:34.000And so, again, someone that's operating within Western civilization is going to have a slightly closer worldview to me.
01:41:40.000Than someone that's from a disparate culture that also does have sort of nominal Christianity.
01:41:44.000Well, and Raymond, to piggyback off of your point about how powerful religion is, humans inherently want to believe in something higher, something bigger than themselves.
01:41:55.000We have just, it's almost like an empty spot in our brains that needs to be filled with something.
01:42:03.000And for atheists, and we see this a lot on the left, it's leftist ideology.
01:42:07.000That's why they are so angry about certain things.
01:42:11.000And sometimes you even see it with people who just love Funko Pop dolls and Szechuan sauce from McDonald's jumping up on a counter screaming, I want my Szechuan sauce.0.90
01:42:18.000It's like those people that are that extreme, 500 years ago, they would have been like ridiculously, was it Christian maxing?0.99
01:42:45.000I used to think of the unification of the faiths as a nice thing that could happen.
01:42:50.000And now I see it as an inevitability that it's a survival mechanism against the greater threats.
01:43:00.000At some point, humans are going to realize they're not each other's enemies.
01:43:04.000There's a greater threat out there.0.97
01:43:05.000The problem is, Muslims will typically side with secular atheists to combat against Christian interests.0.99
01:43:11.000This is what you see virtually every Western country is.0.96
01:43:15.000Muslim immigrants will typically fold in with whatever pre existing left wing party there is, Britain, the Democrat Party, the United States, because again, they view Christians, you know, that Christian core of Western civilization as oppositional to their existence.0.88
01:43:26.000Because again, if Christians were to truly operate, you know, punching above their weight, firing on all cylinders, there probably wouldn't be much non Christian migration to these countries.0.79
01:43:35.000So that's why Muslims do view Christians as adversarial in Western nations, because they are an impediment to further Islamification of those societies, where secular people are kind of indifferent.0.85
01:43:44.000They're like, I don't know, you can just do whatever you want.
01:44:04.000Like I don't know if any Christian community besides like Catholics of Rome would do the crusades of even back in the day because they're just such nice, good human beings.0.62
01:47:07.000Mechanical Mercenary for 20 bucks here on Rumble said SPLC commercial on TV right now, fundraising on the redistricting, funding racism one donation at a time.
01:47:19.000There are a lot of these NGOs that are quite thrilled about how excellent the Republicans have been behaving over the last few weeks because it's a huge fundraising opportunity for them.
01:47:46.000Otherwise, it wouldn't have American citizens being killed.
01:47:50.000I understand that they were being resistant, but these guys are not well trained.
01:47:54.000And not all of them, obviously, but I mean, there's been very well known incidents that indicate that perhaps they're not getting the level of training that they need to be able to do the job that they're tasked to do.
01:48:04.000Are you referring to like the Renee Good?
01:48:15.000Because they were hired so quickly, there is a pre existing ICE training regiment.
01:48:19.000But again, when you're effectively fast tracking agents here, which is what they need because they're trying to carry out a mass deportation agenda, they're banking quite a bit on their previous law enforcement expertise.
01:48:30.000Yeah, the Renee Good, I mean, look, that was something that we litigated quite extensively on TimCast.
01:48:34.000We had a few people that were contesting that this was unjust.
01:48:38.000I think the stalemate that I think a lot of people could arrive at was again, if you're sort of impeding on a federal investigation, what happens to you is sort of a responsibility of you.
01:49:26.000I think Japan has been a very loyal ally of the United States, which says a lot.
01:49:32.000And, you know, as an aside, you know, you see a lot of these countries and they cite European colonialism is really why we've been held back.0.52
01:49:37.000Well, we literally like nuked Japan and decimated their society.0.66
01:49:40.000And in 70 years, they've emerged to be the third largest economy.0.97
01:49:42.000I think they just got passed by India, but for all intents and purposes, third largest economy.
01:49:46.000In a unified, respectable culture.1.00
01:50:58.000We saw in World War II, but yeah, they had about like 50 years of free trade, and they were like, Enough of this, we're electing uh fascists.
01:51:06.000But on that point, about Japan, like they're able to maintain their trains, they're able to maintain their buildings, whereas the people who got colonized in certain countries are unable to maintain anything, yeah.
01:51:16.000No, they don't know how to do trains, they don't want to do bridges.
01:51:19.000So, at least, like, there's people who can't function in the world, and there are people who actually can function in the world, yeah.0.86
01:51:26.000Do you know what they used before candles in Zimbabwe to light their houses?0.95
01:51:28.000Uh, it was probably some fat of some sort, it was light bulbs.
01:51:51.000Nikki here says I grew up in New Jersey in the same town as the Hasidic community.1.00
01:51:55.000You have no clue how deep it goes, how coercive the community is, and what they've done to Lakewood and the surrounding towns and areas.1.00
01:52:02.000Yeah, Lakewood is a pretty egregious case because, in this instance, originally the sort of ultra Orthodox communities that we're talking about, the Hasidics for those, that's kind of the term that's utilized.
01:52:10.000People call it Haredim, that's what they call them in Israel.
01:52:12.000Anyway, they sort of consolidated in Brooklyn initially in New York City.
01:52:16.000And then now, as Brooklyn becomes very difficult for them to live in, they have started moving to surrounding suburbs.
01:52:22.000And Curious Joel was the one that Tyler Oliveira investigated.
01:52:26.000Lakewood, New Jersey is another example of where they basically come in, they move in, vote out everyone, and impose their will at the local level.
01:52:32.000I want to say about the Hasidic community without being disrespectful, because I don't want to talk about the community as a monolith, that it's kind of like a girl that's been through some horrible trauma in her life, and you're like, I'm going to fix her.1.00
01:52:43.000I feel like that about the Hasids.0.92
01:52:45.000Like in New York, I'd walk around and I'd look in your eyes and I would see you and I'd be like, yeah, you know it's cool.1.00
01:52:50.000Like, you know it's cool beyond whatever you're doing with your thing is.
01:52:55.000Like, I think you should partner with Tal Oliveira and go on a rescue mission and say, guys, come on.
01:53:16.000The false equivalence a lot of people are drawing here is like, oh, you're not like what the Amish are.
01:53:19.000I'm like, okay, there's a variety of reasons why the Amish are different.
01:53:21.000For one, people don't have like open memoirs about how traumatic, like consistently traumatic the Amish community treated their people.0.84
01:53:28.000You actually have a thing in the Amish community.
01:53:30.000I don't know what it's called specifically, but they basically go out into the world.
01:53:37.000So the, you know, an Amish community, they go out for two years and participate in the world and they're like, hmm, let's try this on for size.
01:54:15.000Because people were like, why are you picking on them?1.00
01:54:17.000I'm like, you were like cheering me on when I was slamming Somalis and Yemenis.1.00
01:54:21.000And then as soon as I touched the group, That, like, people, some of my cheerleaders had a bit more affinity towards, all of a sudden, I'm like this evil anti Semite.1.00
01:54:30.000So, I have like these people calling me anti Semites, and then I have a whole other segment of viewers that are like, You're a Zionist shill.
01:55:36.000Is that what that video was that he posted?
01:55:38.000Well, and the thing is like, okay, I've met Nick Shirley before, I've talked to him, and I mean this as a compliment actually, is that he's a very straightforward guy.
01:55:47.000So, I mean, you're gonna have to take my anecdote for evidence here, but like the idea that he's like some sort of clandestine operator, he's not a he doesn't have a good enough.
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