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00:02:42.000 With Zoran Mamdani's tremendous win in New York in the Democratic primary, it's become the news, and this guy's profile is skyrocketing.

00:02:51.000 And now, rep Andy Oggles is saying he should be denaturalized, stripped of his citizenship, and deported.

00:02:58.000 Because it appears that before he attained citizenship, he had expressed sympathies for Hamas, a designated terrorist organization.

00:03:06.000 Now, it's an interesting, albeit aggressive maneuver.

00:03:11.000 But there is a question about when we actually plan to enforce the laws we have codified in the United States about, well, quite literally, you're not allowed to support terrorist groups or certain adversaries of the United States when you're applying for citizenship.

00:03:24.000 That is in the law, but we typically never go near that because it seems a bit, well, aggressive.

00:03:30.000 But this is just the beginning.

00:03:32.000 Democrats at the national level are said to be freaking out.

00:03:37.000 Axios has this whole report about how they're melting down over the victory of a Democratic socialist in New York.

00:03:44.000 Certainly, this man's victory has sent shockwaves across this country.

00:03:47.000 And oh boy, it'll be interesting.

00:03:50.000 So we do have a bunch of other stories.

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00:03:57.000 This story seemed to go into the radar because of the Iranian strikes.

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00:07:02.000 Let's get into it.

00:07:02.000 Here's a story from the post-millennial rep Andy Ogles calls for investigation into Zoran Mamdani's naturalization over potential support for terrorism.

00:07:12.000 He calls for an investigation over potential willful misrepresentation or concealment of material support for terrorism.

00:07:20.000 This is pretty wild.

00:07:22.000 So we've got this, Libs of TikTok says, holy crap, calling for the denaturalization and deportation of Democrat mayoral nominee Zoran Mamdani, writing, Dear Attorney General Bondi, I write to request that the Department of Justice open an investigation into whether Zoran Kwame Mamdani, who he called Lil Muhammad, by the way, currently a candidate for mayor of New York City, should be subject to denaturalization proceedings under 8 U.S.C.

00:07:47.000 1451A on the grounds that he may have procured U.S. citizenship through willful misrepresentation or concealment of material support for terrorism.

00:07:55.000 According to public reports, including a June 21st, 2025 New York Post article, Mr. Mamdani expressed open solidarity with individuals convicted of terrorism-related offense prior to becoming a U.S. citizen.

00:08:05.000 Specifically, he wrapped, quote, free the Holy Land 5 slash my guys.

00:08:09.000 The Holy Land Foundation was convicted in 2008 of providing material support to Hamas, a designated foreign terrorist organization.

00:08:15.000 Publicly praising the foundation's convicted leadership as my guys raises serious concerns about whether Mr. Mamdani held affiliations or sympathies he failed to disclose during the naturalization process.

00:08:26.000 While I understand that some may raise First Amendment concerns about taking legal action based on expressive conduct, such as rap lyrics, speech alone does not preclude accountability where it reasonably suggests underlying conduct relevant to eligibility for naturalization.

00:08:38.000 If an individual publicly glorifies a group convicted of financing terrorism, it is entirely appropriate for federal authorities to inquire whether the individual engaged in non-public forms of support, such as organizational affiliation, fundraising, or advocacy, that would have required disclosure on Form N400 or during a naturalization interview.

00:08:56.000 Moreover, Mr. Mamdani has recently refused opportunities to reject pro-terrorist rallying cry to globalize the Intifada, a call to expand violent attacks on civilians to the United States and around the world.

00:09:07.000 While political speech in isolation is not as positive, in light of earlier expressions of admiration for individuals convicted of supporting terrorism, a troubling pattern emerges that warrants formal scrutiny.

00:09:19.000 The naturalization process depends on the good faith disclosure or any affiliation with support for groups that threaten U.S. national security.

00:09:25.000 If Mamdani concealed relevant associations, that concealment may constitute material misrepresentation sufficient to support denaturalization under federal law.

00:09:34.000 The federal government must uphold public trust by ensuring that citizenship is not granted under false pretenses.

00:09:38.000 I respectfully urge the Department of Justice to determine whether Mr. Mamdani's conduct prior to naturalization warrants formal review under applicable law.

00:09:46.000 And I'll say it first, I'm for it.

00:09:48.000 Investigate him.

00:09:49.000 100%.

00:09:51.000 The investigation, I don't have any problem with.

00:09:53.000 The idea of, well, look, the further to the extremes you go when you're discussing, when it comes to political speech, the further to the extremes you go according to your ideology, the more likely you are to engage in violent rhetoric.

00:10:10.000 And Mamdani does walk the line.

00:10:13.000 Anyone that says globalize the Intifada, at least skirting the line of trying to be contrarian, but it was just that he failed to denounce something or other.

00:10:25.000 Like it was other people chanting that, and they said that he didn't denounce it, which I think is a global play where they say, like, why didn't you denounce murder?

00:10:35.000 Like, why didn't you condemn Hamas?

00:10:38.000 It's a little more than that.

00:10:40.000 The condemnation is kind of just implicit.

00:10:42.000 No matter what.

00:10:43.000 He was asked in an interview what he thought about phrases like globalized the intifada.

00:10:48.000 And he said, well, you know, it means different things to different people.

00:10:52.000 And some people think it means like a peaceful revolution.

00:10:55.000 Yeah, see, but even that's trying to be deceptive.

00:10:59.000 That's not trying to be fulsome.

00:11:00.000 That's not actually addressing the concern that people have when they ask that question.

00:11:05.000 He's trying to skirt the issue.

00:11:06.000 He's trying to not.

00:11:07.000 Yeah, he's a politician now, but I was just saying, I hate this stuff.

00:11:10.000 I absolutely hate it.

00:11:11.000 I think for a couple of reasons.

00:11:12.000 For one, I think there is a real First Amendment issue with denaturalizing someone because we don't like what they say.

00:11:18.000 I mean, saying my love to you guys, I don't really know that he thought that much about it.

00:11:23.000 It was in a rap video.

00:11:25.000 And I also hate it because I think that these kind of stunts, for one, it's not going to be successful.

00:11:30.000 And for two, it's going to galvanize his supporters.

00:11:32.000 And I think there are a lot of reasons to really dislike this mayoral candidate.

00:11:37.000 He's anathema to a lot of the things I stand for.

00:11:40.000 But, you know, Nancy Mace is already out here taking a poll on her ex-profile saying, you know, let's implying that she thinks that it's a decent proposal. 1.00

00:11:49.000 And I think it ends up making a martyr out of him.

00:11:51.000 And I think that's very unwise.

00:11:53.000 Going back to my first point, though, I think if the right wants to claim to stand for free speech, they have to also stand for speech that is really unsavory.

00:12:00.000 That is the point of the First Amendment.

00:12:02.000 And that's the point of a principle.

00:12:03.000 If you don't apply it when it's inconvenient, then it doesn't matter.

00:12:05.000 It's not a principle.

00:12:06.000 Well, so there's two things.

00:12:07.000 Was that on her personal profile?

00:12:08.000 Just sorry, real quick.

00:12:09.000 I want to put it.

00:12:10.000 I think the one where she's wearing the pink dress.

00:12:12.000 So yeah, that would be her civilian profile.

00:12:15.000 She's taking a poll right now for her followers. 0.97

00:12:18.000 So there's two things about this that I want to at least make a comment about.

00:12:22.000 First of all, the guy that's actually been talking about denaturalizing and deporting him, he's calling him Lil Muhammad.

00:12:28.000 And that kind of hurts the argument because then it seems like he's Muslim. 0.95

00:12:35.000 Yeah, because he's calling him.

00:12:36.000 Just because he's Muslim? 0.79

00:12:37.000 And whatever your opinion on that kind of rhetoric, you're going to galvanize the people against you. 0.92

00:12:46.000 They're going to call him a racist, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:48.000 You shouldn't be saying that.

00:12:49.000 The nickname like that.

00:12:50.000 I don't know.

00:12:50.000 He thinks that he's doing the Trump thing and he's not doing it.

00:12:53.000 I think he wants followers on social media.

00:12:55.000 He wants followers on social media.

00:12:57.000 Maybe, or he's trying to get what I think the city in the U.S. with the largest Jewish population is New York.

00:13:03.000 And so that kind of branding, when that story drops and they say Rep Ogles is a racist for calling him Lil Muhammad, that's going to penetrate deeper into communities in New York, especially Jewish communities, which I think the intention is to try and get them to come out and vote against them.

00:13:19.000 Sure.

00:13:20.000 And I mean, I will say I disagree with this guy's, what I know of this guy's stance towards the pro-Israel-Palestine discussion.

00:13:31.000 But I don't know.

00:13:31.000 Like I said, I really do feel like this ends up backfiring.

00:13:35.000 And I mean, what's the point?

00:13:36.000 I disagree.

00:13:36.000 And I also say, I'll say this.

00:13:38.000 The mayoral election, a local election, I know New York City is an enormous place, but it becoming a referendum on foreign policy doesn't really make sense to me.

00:13:46.000 I understand Jewish voters wanting to at least have knowledge of someone whose character they like.

00:13:54.000 But the mayor of New York has no say on foreign policy.

00:13:57.000 It seems almost kind of silly that we're as a nation, we're looking to him to be a thought leader on this.

00:14:03.000 We should be talking about how he's going to lead New York City, which there are plenty of things he's going to do to New York City that are really bad.

00:14:08.000 I don't think anybody has any expectation of him engaging in foreign policy.

00:14:11.000 I think the argument is...

00:14:26.000 Like, I'm going to be a candidate that stands up to Trump.

00:14:30.000 That doesn't mean anything.

00:14:31.000 You're running for mayor.

00:14:33.000 Like, it's an important city.

00:14:35.000 No, it does.

00:14:35.000 It does mean something when he says that they're going to obstruct immigration enforcement and obstruction.

00:14:39.000 That is one thing he said.

00:14:40.000 Like, we want to make this into a sanctuary city for immigrants.

00:14:44.000 And also, he said that he wanted it to be an LGBTQ sanctuary city.

00:14:48.000 Which literally just means so that if you're underage and can get to New York City, they will perform all kinds of gender mutilation on you. 0.82

00:14:56.000 So here's a question for you guys.

00:14:57.000 Here's an anti-Maces poll.

00:14:58.000 Should Zoran Mandani be denaturalized and deported?

00:15:00.000 Yes, no, not sure.

00:15:01.000 What do you think won?

00:15:02.000 Which one do you think is winning?

00:15:03.000 I think yes.

00:15:04.000 Yes.

00:15:06.000 So I think yes.

00:15:07.000 I would vote no if I could.

00:15:08.000 All right.

00:15:09.000 So what's the votes in the room?

00:15:11.000 You say no.

00:15:12.000 What do you say, Mary?

00:15:13.000 I already voted.

00:15:14.000 Yes.

00:15:15.000 Okay, you voted yes.

00:15:16.000 Yeah.

00:15:16.000 What say you, Phil?

00:15:17.000 Yes, for being a communist, not for anything.

00:15:19.000 Oh, literally, only because of his ideology.

00:15:21.000 I don't care who's not.

00:15:22.000 I voted yes because he's not American and has no right to be here. 1.00

00:15:26.000 Well, he isn't American. 0.84

00:15:26.000 I mean, he can be a citizen. 0.84

00:15:28.000 Yeah, he's a citizen.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, I just don't believe that he is meaningfully American more than someone who was.

00:15:33.000 I fully, I reject the idea that the only way you can be American is by being born here.

00:15:39.000 All of us, we won the geographic lottery.

00:15:43.000 I like what America stands for, but I think there's something powerful about.

00:15:46.000 It's a lottery because we didn't do anything by being born here.

00:15:50.000 Yeah, so we didn't earn it.

00:15:52.000 Right, exactly.

00:15:54.000 People chose to come here, and that should be celebrated.

00:15:58.000 Your soul is like a, it's like a die that gets rolled into the universe, and that's not actually how that works.

00:16:03.000 It's not a lottery because your ancestors actually did make the effort to come here.

00:16:09.000 They did make the effort to build lives here for generations, and you are the result of that.

00:16:13.000 There's nothing random about it.

00:16:15.000 Well, but it wasn't my agency.

00:16:16.000 And so I'm saying, I think I'm an American, and I like America, and like I said, what it stands for.

00:16:23.000 But I think there is something powerful about, you know, there's been a lot of talk right now that America, that New York City specifically has a big foreign-born population, which I'll make a couple of points.

00:16:32.000 For one, that's not new.

00:16:33.000 I mean, Ellis Island, it has always represented, you know, kind of this melting pot and a promise of opportunity.

00:16:42.000 And I think that is a good thing.

00:16:43.000 And so if somebody-inflate immigration now.

00:16:46.000 Now, hold on, hold on.

00:16:47.000 All right, this is important, though.

00:16:49.000 No one here did anything to earn what this country is.

00:16:53.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.98

00:16:53.000 And that's why I deserve your stuff when you die, not your children. 0.98

00:16:56.000 Your children should get nothing from you. 0.94

00:16:58.000 The state should seize everything you built in your life, and I get to have it.

00:17:01.000 Do you believe that?

00:17:02.000 You do.

00:17:02.000 No, I don't.

00:17:03.000 You certainly, you just argue that people who aren't from here can have all the stuff that the Americans built.

00:17:09.000 That's not at all what I argue.

00:17:10.000 So if like my dad builds a baseball field and then someone comes and they're not from here, I should have no right to the commons that my family and ancestors built because we didn't earn it.

00:17:20.000 We were just born here.

00:17:22.000 I'm talking specifically about people who come here.

00:17:27.000 I mean, I am not, but I wouldn't take credit for it.

00:17:30.000 I think it was the Brooklyn Bridge Corporation.

00:17:31.000 To me, that's an analogy that doesn't really work.

00:17:34.000 All I am saying.

00:17:35.000 Why do you get to keep your stuff?

00:17:36.000 Why can't I have it?

00:17:37.000 I mean, I'm not saying that family means nothing.

00:17:39.000 My argument is not that family is worthless.

00:17:42.000 What I am saying, though, is that there are some people who are Americans by choice.

00:17:46.000 And that is a powerful thing.

00:17:47.000 They came here because of what America stands for.

00:17:50.000 You think that Mom Donnie came here because of what America stands for?

00:17:52.000 Because I'm 37 years old.

00:17:54.000 So, okay, so he's not an American by choice, then.

00:17:56.000 He's an American because his family came.

00:17:58.000 This is a deception.

00:17:59.000 He was raised with completely different values because of the culture from which he came.

00:18:03.000 And I do.

00:18:04.000 He's not meaningfully American. 0.62

00:18:05.000 I agree with that law.

00:18:07.000 This is something that I actually said last night.

00:18:09.000 Like, the idea that everybody that comes to America is all the same, every immigrant is exactly the same. 0.87

00:18:15.000 And it's totally not true.

00:18:16.000 And I think that the United States should be able to deport people or at least exclude people that don't embrace the values that make the United States the country that it is, which includes property rights.

00:18:27.000 It includes things like liberty and stuff like that.

00:18:29.000 So here's a question I have.

00:18:30.000 We'll start slow with it.

00:18:32.000 Do you believe that if you, let's say you build a house and you own the land, when you die, should it go to your children or whoever you choose in your will?

00:18:44.000 Yes.

00:18:45.000 What is the meaningful distinction between that and a society handing down what it's built to its own children?

00:18:51.000 I think that there is something to be said for families handing down a society to their own children, but I don't think that necessarily excludes everyone else from it because they build things too.

00:19:02.000 They come and add to it.

00:19:04.000 They don't just take.

00:19:05.000 The idea that immigrants come and only take, they also build. 0.82

00:19:09.000 Your analysis, I understand where you're coming from, but it's a static analysis.

00:19:13.000 Let's look at the world as a whole.

00:19:15.000 What percentage are they entitled to?

00:19:16.000 Say again?

00:19:17.000 What percentage are they entitled to?

00:19:18.000 100% like Entitled to public services, entitled to welfare?

00:19:24.000 I mean, I'm a libertarian.

00:19:26.000 So I would like to slash a lot of these programs that People criticize.

00:19:31.000 Then let's try it like this.

00:19:34.000 400 years ago, your ancestor comes and stakes a plot of land.

00:19:37.000 It's got a river going through it, and then builds up a big property on it and says, with my hard work, my kids will have a better life.

00:19:44.000 And after several generations, dozens of generations, here you are inheriting that land.

00:19:48.000 What percentage of your land should be shared with someone who came here for the first time seven years ago?

00:19:53.000 Well, we're talking about private property.

00:19:55.000 So if that person wants to...

00:19:58.000 I mean, I'm not saying that an immigrant can come and like invade the space you have that you bought and is yours.

00:20:03.000 Well, the reason I asked you this, because you said you were a libertarian.

00:20:05.000 So my assumption is you prefer privatization over public property, right?

00:20:08.000 Absolutely.

00:20:09.000 Okay, so if you had private property, then what percentage of that must you share with someone who just showed up and is on your property?

00:20:15.000 Private property?

00:20:16.000 You don't have to share any of it.

00:20:17.000 Okay, so why then should we as a nation, which the distinction is a collective group has determined where our borders and boundaries are, and it is private among our country, should we be obligated to share it with anybody else?

00:20:30.000 I mean, the distinction between private or public, or you said private among our country?

00:20:36.000 I mean, there are some spaces that, Right.

00:20:41.000 When you say private, what you're saying is it's land controlled by you as a private entity or individual.

00:20:45.000 Right, but I'm not entitled to the entire country.

00:20:51.000 I understood.

00:20:52.000 I cannot come into my house.

00:20:53.000 Here's the point.

00:20:54.000 A country has its own jurisdictions for which the country controls, yes?

00:20:59.000 By voters, yes.

00:21:01.000 Well, depending on the structure of your government, some might be communist, I guess.

00:21:04.000 Some could be so why should Americans have to share anything with non-citizens who came here now? 1.00

00:21:13.000 You don't have to share your private property.

00:21:15.000 Okay, I think you're misunderstanding.

00:21:17.000 Oh, no, I'm understanding.

00:21:19.000 I'm not trying to be fair.

00:21:19.000 The American people created the country, established its boundaries, sacrificed blood and treasure to acquire the land and establish what is the American people's property as a public commonwealth.

00:21:32.000 I'll stop you right there.

00:21:33.000 That is the fundamental difference that we have.

00:21:36.000 I do not feel entitled to everything that came before me.

00:21:39.000 I feel entitled to what I just bought because it was my blood, sweat, and tears, and I'm paying my mortgage.

00:21:44.000 Okay, so let's go from that point.

00:21:47.000 At what point must you personally, under your own beliefs, give away what your ancestors built?

00:21:52.000 Is it your dad?

00:21:53.000 Like, your dad built a farm.

00:21:55.000 Should you have to give it to someone who just showed up or share it with them?

00:21:58.000 No, but that is a private.

00:21:59.000 That's because it's a private farm.

00:22:00.000 But you're not entitled to the things that came before you.

00:22:03.000 Like, where's the gradient?

00:22:04.000 Like, where's the line?

00:22:05.000 Is it if your great-grandfather made it, you have to share it with an immigrant? 1.00

00:22:09.000 Well, we're not sharing private property to him.

00:22:11.000 Well, at a certain point, it becomes the public commons.

00:22:13.000 There's too many people, right?

00:22:16.000 This is the fundamental basic distinction between private and public property.

00:22:19.000 What is it?

00:22:24.000 What's the distinction?

00:22:26.000 I mean, what I own, what I paid for.

00:22:29.000 You didn't pay for what your great-grandfather made.

00:22:31.000 Why do you get to have that?

00:22:32.000 You didn't earn it.

00:22:33.000 Sure, but it was purchased via...

00:22:36.000 No, he stole it from Native Americans. 0.95

00:22:38.000 I mean, that's a whole different discussion.

00:22:40.000 So let's say several hundred years ago, your great-great-grandfather or great-great-great-grandfather conquered land by force, massacring a family, whatever it might have been.

00:22:48.000 Maybe you didn't, maybe you traded some beads for it.

00:22:50.000 I don't know.

00:22:51.000 But now we're several generations on.

00:22:54.000 You never paid for it.

00:22:55.000 You just inherit it.

00:22:56.000 And you're like, it's private property because someone handed me a piece of paper because they put a flag in it.

00:23:00.000 Why can't a guy from Honduras just come and go, yeah, well, you didn't earn it. 1.00

00:23:03.000 It's mine now.

00:23:04.000 I mean, because as a society, we have decided that there's a distinction between private and public property.

00:23:09.000 Completely agreed.

00:23:09.000 As a society, I think we should determine that Zora and Mamdani should be denaturalized and deported because the American founders built this country and we have no requirement to share it with anybody.

00:23:18.000 Just like you've decided, your line is simply my personal family.

00:23:23.000 I believe as the American country is an organized entity.

00:23:26.000 So the only distinction is what we think we are owed or claim to.

00:23:31.000 Sure, and I just don't feel entitled to the entire country.

00:23:34.000 I mean, and like I said, I think there is common ground to be had here in the sense that like America stands for a lot of beautiful things.

00:23:42.000 It stands for freedom of expression.

00:23:43.000 It stands for property rights that we're talking about.

00:23:45.000 It stands for a lot of things that make us exceptional.

00:23:48.000 I mean, I would not call myself a nationalist, but I would say I'm an American exceptionalist.

00:23:53.000 I believe we're better than most everyone.

00:23:54.000 I mean, you look at stuff that's even happening in like the UK and Germany getting arrested over Facebook posts.

00:23:59.000 I understand why people want to come here.

00:24:01.000 I think it's beautiful that some people are Americans by choice, and I don't think that makes them any less American.

00:24:07.000 When they vote against the interests of the American people, we have a problem.

00:24:13.000 And when they, on net, steal from the American people.

00:24:17.000 And I would like to add, it's not by consensus that all of society has just collectively decided what a border is and what private property is.

00:24:31.000 The border of the walls around your house or the border of like your actual skin barrier or the fence surrounding your backyard, it's only defined by your willingness to kill someone who violates that line, who crosses that line.

00:24:47.000 Sure, but it's not by a consensus that all of society has decided that you're not.

00:24:51.000 I'm not saying we need to have open borders.

00:24:52.000 I'm just saying it's beautiful that some people, I mean, people will have lots of disagreements on immigration policy.

00:24:58.000 But I'm just saying it's beautiful that some people come here because they want to, because we stand for amazing things.

00:25:03.000 I mean, do you think we should literally have zero immigration?

00:25:05.000 Yes.

00:25:06.000 No one should be allowed in the business.

00:25:08.000 People come here to benefit from being here personally and send money back home.

00:25:12.000 They don't care about American values.

00:25:14.000 Now, she's got a great point because nowadays, most of the people that are coming to America are not coming because they have American values.

00:25:22.000 The majority of naturalized citizens in 2024 voted for Trump.

00:25:26.000 It's 10% of the electorate that went for Trump plus one.

00:25:29.000 Just because they voted for Trump doesn't mean that they have American values.

00:25:32.000 They have closer to the values that you guys have.

00:25:34.000 It's by no mistake what you consider to be American values anyway, because those values were held by Christian Europeans who moved here.

00:25:43.000 You can't just ship anyone here and expect them to uphold those values.

00:25:47.000 There are plots.

00:25:47.000 I mean, you look at like a Cuban Republic.

00:25:49.000 What do we do when Zoran Mamdani?

00:25:52.000 Let me do this.

00:25:52.000 Let's jump to the next title and then we'll keep it going.

00:25:55.000 We have this from Axios.

00:25:56.000 Democratic establishment melts down over Mamdani's win in New York.

00:26:02.000 The threat is a socialist who is defeating the establishment Democrat Cuomo.

00:26:09.000 We are going to see more of this affecting the rest of the country.

00:26:13.000 Now, I wanted to start off with this, but I do kind of have just a continuing point from the last segment.

00:26:18.000 And that is right now, one of Zoran's policies is that he will defy federal law enforcement intentionally and by force.

00:26:26.000 I would call that sedition, and I would call that more than beyond opposing the interests of America.

00:26:33.000 I would call it declaration of war. 0.93

00:26:37.000 A foreign-born individual comes to this country and then literally campaigns on, if you are here illegally in violation of this country's laws, just know we will use force to stop the United States and the people of the United States from coming after you. 1.00

00:26:52.000 I mean – Are you referring to what he said about keeping ICE out of – And saying he said we're going to keep our families here and not let Trump come in and take them away.

00:27:02.000 He's basically saying there is a structure of government that has agreed upon rules and laws.

00:27:08.000 You, my friends, have come here in violation of the laws and the will of the American people.

00:27:12.000 And by God, I will use force to stop them from harming you.

00:27:15.000 And we will defeat them.

00:27:17.000 Yeah, I would call that an invasion.

00:27:18.000 This is also a foreigner who's trying to seize American-owned businesses with his plan for privately owned grocery stores to basically get repossessed by the municipal government to freeze prices. 0.79

00:27:32.000 Is he seizing businesses or is he just making...

00:27:33.000 I mean, I think the government-owned grocery store thing is crazy, and I was tweeting about it.

00:27:37.000 I think you shared my thing about the...

00:27:44.000 He wants grocery stores that exist.

00:27:46.000 Basically, he wants to create government-run grocery stores, which I don't think he wants to create them.

00:27:52.000 He wants to take the ones that are privately owned currently and make them publicly owned.

00:27:56.000 Well, he said create a network of city-run grocery stores.

00:28:00.000 Right.

00:28:00.000 He wants, I think, like, yeah, the first proposal was five.

00:28:04.000 I don't think he's going to be shooting Kroger or something.

00:28:06.000 He may as well just come out and say, I am not from your country.

00:28:10.000 I have been a citizen for seven years.

00:28:13.000 I will use force if necessary to protect those who illegally entered your country in violation of your laws. 1.00

00:28:17.000 And I will enact policies that destroy your local economy.

00:28:20.000 I mean, it has to make sense for people to say, all right, this guy has, like Tim said, he's only been here for seven years.

00:28:26.000 No, no, he's been there longer.

00:28:27.000 He's only been a citizen for seven years.

00:28:29.000 And he is going to, you know, to facilitate illegal immigrants coming into the country. 0.63

00:28:37.000 He's going to provide them with benefits from the government.

00:28:39.000 I'm sorry.

00:28:40.000 He's going to facilitate criminal activity in the United States.

00:28:42.000 He's going to facilitate criminal activity.

00:28:44.000 He's going to provide them with state benefits from New York State.

00:28:49.000 He's going to inhibit the federal government from enforcing the law.

00:28:54.000 I understand that people are like, oh, we're a democracy and blah, blah, blah.

00:28:58.000 This is not about democracy.

00:29:00.000 This is expropriating the property of American citizens on behalf of criminal aliens here. 0.89

00:29:08.000 This can't be accepted.

00:29:10.000 He's basically saying, through force, we will take your land, give up.

00:29:15.000 And we have a couple options.

00:29:17.000 We can say, sure, let him do it.

00:29:20.000 Let him protect more illegal immigrants who come in and in violation of the laws of this land and its people. 1.00

00:29:27.000 So our laws mean nothing.

00:29:28.000 And then we'll sit back and just watch as he does.

00:29:31.000 I mean, I think there are plenty of issues to take.

00:29:34.000 I mean, this is actually a policy debate.

00:29:35.000 So that's, I mean, I completely agree.

00:29:38.000 I would like to restate.

00:29:39.000 clearly and strongly that this is about way more than policy.

00:29:47.000 So I'm saying that is a good thing.

00:29:48.000 I'm saying that.

00:29:48.000 I don't think it's out of the way.

00:29:50.000 I was drawing a comparison between Zoran Mamdani and Vivek Ramaswamy because they have diametrically opposed policy views, but rub people exactly the same wrong way because they are foreign strivers with a chip on their shoulder who don't understand this culture and want to tell us as Americans what an expression of American values is. 0.71

00:30:13.000 They have no place with that temerity.

00:30:17.000 Wasn't Vivek born here?

00:30:18.000 Yeah.

00:30:18.000 I'm pretty sure he was born in Ohio.

00:30:20.000 It doesn't really matter because he was raised with different values.

00:30:23.000 It's a bit different.

00:30:24.000 He was raised with different values.

00:30:27.000 To your point, like, I have so many friends who have values that are so different than mine, and I don't want to kick them out of the country.

00:30:33.000 I want to convince them that my values are better.

00:30:36.000 That's what you should be doing.

00:30:37.000 Sure, sure.

00:30:39.000 Let's pause because I agree on this.

00:30:42.000 This is not the debate with Zoran.

00:30:44.000 The debate with Zoran is 10 plus million people over four years entered our country in violation of our laws, and we have these laws in place for a reason.

00:30:54.000 They have committed a crime against us.

00:30:56.000 And Zoran says, don't worry, I will use law enforcement apparatus to stop the people of the United States from enforcing their laws.

00:31:06.000 So I call that an invasion.

00:31:09.000 I mean, I think that kind of, you can call it an invasion, but I mean, I think words have meaning.

00:31:14.000 And I wouldn't say it's an invasion.

00:31:16.000 I mean, I agree that we have to have law and order.

00:31:20.000 And I don't agree that this guy stands for it.

00:31:24.000 But I think when we use words like invasion or incursion or whatever, the vast majority, of course, some immigrants who come here do not have America's best interests at heart. 1.00

00:31:35.000 But a lot of people are coming for economic opportunity.

00:31:38.000 They don't have this opportunity.

00:31:41.000 Well, to be honest, if I clubbed you over the head and took your wallet, it's because of I want an economic opportunity.

00:31:47.000 We don't tolerate that.

00:31:48.000 When they enter our country illegally for an opportunity and then Gen Z can't afford to buy a house and they're living three people in a bachelor apartment. 1.00

00:31:56.000 I got a problem with that.

00:31:57.000 And that's in New York City. 0.98

00:31:59.000 This guy comes around, whispers sweet nothings into the ears of all the dumb young communists who don't realize he's the one burning the city down and making sure that their lives will never improve. 0.97

00:32:08.000 So I say the DOJ, so should he win? 0.96

00:32:12.000 Because we don't know if he actually wins.

00:32:13.000 There could be a coalition victory if Eric Adams is still going to run, right?

00:32:17.000 Yeah, if Sleewood drops out, Cuomo's already announced he's going to be dropping out.

00:32:20.000 If they endorse Adams, maybe Adams wins.

00:32:23.000 If this man does win and he does actually take even the tiniest millimeter step towards obstructing ICE.

00:32:32.000 The DOJ should bring sedition charges against him and remove him from government in New York City and occupy the city if they have to.

00:32:38.000 Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what the charges should be.

00:32:40.000 I don't know if it's actually sedition or not, but there should be charges for preventing the federal government from carrying out.

00:32:48.000 This is an issue of weakness, weak will, weak spine.

00:32:53.000 When a man who is foreign-born publicly declares he will do everything he can to protect people who have illegally entered your country from another, and he will violate federal law to do so, we have two options. 1.00

00:33:07.000 Let them keep doing it and give up, or say, listen, let me pause.

00:33:13.000 I personally am not calling for anything other than what the law already says.

00:33:17.000 I don't think that there would be a criminal charge that applies.

00:33:21.000 Sedition.

00:33:22.000 I don't think that would be applicable under criminal law.

00:33:25.000 Why not?

00:33:26.000 Because there's a distinction between federal law and local law and state law.

00:33:30.000 You can say it's immoral or you could say it's wrong, but I guarantee you there's no way to bring sedition charges against him.

00:33:36.000 I will also just say one thing.

00:33:37.000 I was in New York City last night for work and I was, you know, perfect timing.

00:33:42.000 And I was talking to people who voted.

00:33:44.000 We chatted about this a little bit before we started filming.

00:33:47.000 And two of the people I talked to did rank him number one, I think.

00:33:52.000 And I think people, and neither of them I would describe, one of them is definitely not a Democrat.

00:33:56.000 And the other one I would not describe is a staunch Democrat, certainly not a socialist.

00:34:01.000 And I think people really underestimate how many people the reaction to Cuomo and how much they disliked Cuomo and how much they didn't want to see that again.

00:34:13.000 I think a lot of this was an anti-Cuomo sentiment.

00:34:15.000 I don't necessarily think it's a Gromom Donnie sentiment.

00:34:18.000 And I will also say about Cuomo, it really, really bothers me that so many people see the final nail in his coffin as the sexual harassment scandal, which I'm not saying sexual harassment is ever okay.

00:34:31.000 But the fact of the matter is, is this is a person whose policies helped kill a bunch of old people. 0.83

00:34:36.000 And then he lied, altered data, lied to the taxpayer, and went on TV and said, unironically, that incompetent government kills people and that people value the truth.

00:34:46.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:34:46.000 Do you think one could describe obstructing ICE officers from serving a deport, from engaging in deportation?

00:34:54.000 Would that be aiding and abetting the illegal immigrant? 0.90

00:34:57.000 I do not believe so under current criminal law.

00:34:59.000 I mean, I'm not a major.

00:35:00.000 So let's try this.

00:35:01.000 There is a guy, and the police are like, we are going to deport him right now.

00:35:07.000 And so you physically obstruct the police.

00:35:09.000 Physical obstruction is a crime.

00:35:11.000 Yes.

00:35:11.000 That would be a crime.

00:35:12.000 So that would be like aiding and abetting.

00:35:13.000 I don't know what the exact term would be.

00:35:15.000 You're aiding in the escape of an illegal immigrant. 0.97

00:35:17.000 Yes.

00:35:18.000 It's like the judge who got arrested in Wisconsin under federal charges.

00:35:21.000 So when we're looking at the law, it's important to understand that it's all interpretable.

00:35:26.000 The First Amendment says we have a right, the government, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of speech, yet blasphemy laws were in this country for 100 plus years. 0.99

00:35:34.000 Yeah, And I think that's stupid. 0.99

00:35:35.000 But they enforced it. 1.00

00:35:37.000 But I don't agree with it.

00:35:38.000 Sure.

00:35:38.000 And the First Amendment would also disagree with it.

00:35:40.000 But the point was, they enforced it despite the First Amendment being in place because how judges interpreted the law mattered.

00:35:46.000 For instance, they're trying to charge these kids in Georgia with a hate crime because they can interpret it as they want.

00:35:55.000 Right.

00:35:56.000 I mean, I think all hate crime charges need to go because we need to prosecute bad acts, not ideas.

00:35:59.000 So, Title VIII, USC 1324A, makes it a crime to aid and abet to induce or entice illegal immigration.

00:36:07.000 If you are a public official that is outright saying, we will do everything in our power to make sure if you are here illegally, you can stay, and we will stop ICE, you are inducing and you are abetting.

00:36:19.000 And that's a crime.

00:36:20.000 Now, if you want to add on top of it, sedition, right, which is actions to undermine the authority of the United States, we could argue that a public official in the biggest city in the country outright saying we will defy the federal law and make sure the will of the American people be damned to protect you who came here illegally.

00:36:38.000 I say you got a sedition case.

00:36:40.000 I mean, you can say it, but I don't think anyone would bring it. 0.99

00:36:43.000 Well, because they're cowards. 0.92

00:36:44.000 I just don't think that's... 0.96

00:36:46.000 That's technically just not how the laws usually apply.

00:36:48.000 I mean, politicians...

00:36:49.000 I don't care what's usually applied.

00:36:50.000 I care that we had 10 plus million illegal immigrants come into this country spitting in the faces of the younger generation who can't afford houses and can't find work. 1.00

00:36:58.000 And now you've got mayoral candidates candidates that are basically saying we will entrench this and the American people's will be damned.

00:37:05.000 Let me just stress that again. 0.99

00:37:06.000 Zoran Mamdani's official public position is the laws of this country and the will of the American voter that elected Donald Trump are shit to him. 0.93

00:37:15.000 And he will do whatever he can to make sure the people who broke those laws and spat in the face of Americans are protected. 0.98

00:37:21.000 Now, the problem is Republicans are cowards and jellyfish who won't actually enforce the law as it was written and codified for these reasons.

00:37:29.000 Tom Holman's great, but I got to say as well, when Brad Lander physically attacked cops and they arrested him, they didn't bring any charges against him. 0.96

00:37:37.000 That's the problem with Republicans.

00:37:39.000 The Trump DOJ said this guy intentionally obstructed ICE proceedings and actually physically resisted arrests and fought with cops.

00:37:46.000 Oh, well, let him go.

00:37:47.000 And you know what?

00:37:48.000 So be it.

00:37:49.000 So don't be surprised if whatever the Constitution says about your belief in the First Amendment becomes nothing, because these people certainly don't agree with your view.

00:37:58.000 I get it.

00:37:58.000 You'll have blasphemy laws in two seconds.

00:38:01.000 I will stand up for everyone's right to say things that I find extremely unsavory.

00:38:05.000 It is what I love about the First Amendment.

00:38:07.000 It does not protect popular speech.

00:38:09.000 It protects unpopular speech because popular speech and popular people don't usually need protection.

00:38:14.000 And so I think it necessarily requires defending things like burning the flag, burning the American flag.

00:38:21.000 That is your First Amendment protective right.

00:38:23.000 You can think it's disgusting.

00:38:24.000 You can think it's repulsive.

00:38:26.000 Not if it's a pride flag though.

00:38:27.000 steal someone else's flag and burn it, but you can burn your own pride flag.

00:38:30.000 Not if you ride your scooter over a...

00:38:36.000 So let's just recognize that you take the position of let them trample over me.

00:38:42.000 No, I take the position of people can have terrible speech, and it is their right to have terrible speech.

00:38:47.000 You and I can criticize them for it.

00:38:49.000 So I don't want the government knocking at their door.

00:38:51.000 So basically, here's what's happening.

00:38:53.000 You've got ideological groups beating you over the head with a club, and you're saying, well, they shouldn't.

00:38:57.000 That's it.

00:38:59.000 I think, you know.

00:39:00.000 What do you suggest I do?

00:39:01.000 About what?

00:39:03.000 About, I mean, you're saying they're beating me over the head.

00:39:05.000 It's true.

00:39:05.000 A lot of people hate what I stand for, and that's their right to hate it.

00:39:09.000 So like, I agree with the stealing someone else's flag, but the hate crime charge is the principle of the.

00:39:14.000 That's the thing.

00:39:14.000 I think all hate crimes need to go because we need to prosecute outside ideas.

00:39:17.000 Agreed.

00:39:18.000 But your position tends to be, I will defend, like you're going to offer up to them the ability to do what they're doing and not resist it.

00:39:28.000 Liberalism is.

00:39:29.000 I'm only resisting it.

00:39:31.000 You're not resisting it.

00:39:32.000 I'm only resisting the government coming and prosecuting them or retaliating against them for their expression.

00:39:38.000 You and I can talk about how terrible it is.

00:39:40.000 For the people who aren't familiar, the case you were referring to was somewhere in the Pacific Northwest where a bunch of teenagers like wheelies are where? 1.00

00:39:48.000 Oh, there's two.

00:39:49.000 They did wheelies on a mural on the ground.

00:39:54.000 But the big story right now is in Atlanta, there was a Pride crosswalk and they ripped flags down from a gay bar, went onto the crosswalk and cut them up with knives and then scooted off.

00:40:04.000 Right.

00:40:05.000 Hate crime charges for that are insane.

00:40:06.000 Honestly, any charge.

00:40:07.000 You don't have a right to take someone else's property and face it.

00:40:12.000 My point is, when you are basically saying, like, so right now we have a guy who may very well become mayor outright saying, your laws don't apply to me, but my laws apply to you.

00:40:25.000 And you're going, okay.

00:40:26.000 I mean, I'm not saying okay.

00:40:27.000 I mean, I think what you're.

00:40:28.000 All right, so let's investigate him and remove him.

00:40:33.000 If you want to try to change the law to change what law?

00:40:35.000 I don't need to.

00:40:36.000 It exists already.

00:40:36.000 8 U.S.C.

00:40:37.000 1324 makes it illegal to do what he's proposed to do.

00:40:40.000 And you think that you're going to be able to arrest and deport him over that?

00:40:43.000 I didn't say naturalism.

00:40:45.000 I'm not saying deport.

00:40:45.000 I'm saying criminal charges and sedition, if applicable.

00:40:48.000 So I believe that in the event he becomes mayor, if he intentionally obstructs ICE in any way through his orders, commands, law enforcement, or dismantling of the NYPD and creating a social worker organization, the DOJ under Bondi or whoever should bring about charges under 8 USC 1324 for inducing, abetting, aiding, or enticing, encouraging illegal immigration.

00:41:17.000 I'm trying to speak carefully here just because I'm not an attorney.

00:41:20.000 I write about a lot of criminal justice issues, but I don't claim to have gone to law school.

00:41:24.000 There is a distinction between literally like physically obstructing law enforcement and as a local official being like, I'm not going to help ICE.

00:41:31.000 The latter is not a crime.

00:41:33.000 I am saying, literally in the event, he obstructs ICE.

00:41:37.000 Not that he stands back and does nothing.

00:41:40.000 I don't care if he stands back and does nothing.

00:41:41.000 What is your vision of it?

00:41:43.000 He has stated he is going to stop families from being removed from New York is what he described it as.

00:41:48.000 I guess I just don't even know what that looks like in practice.

00:41:50.000 Sure.

00:41:51.000 How do you stop someone from getting deported by ICE?

00:41:53.000 You mean like, did you talk about him physically?

00:41:56.000 Well, did you see them chest bumping the cop and screaming in his face?

00:41:59.000 I mean, that's just, I think it's a very important thing.

00:42:01.000 Maybe performance.

00:42:02.000 Maybe I shouldn't say chest bumping, but he's standing up right in a cop's face and screaming.

00:42:07.000 He's just trying to get attention.

00:42:08.000 So the point is, when he says he will stop the deportation or the kidnapping, whatever words he used of families, the implication by stopping it from happening is obstruction of ICE.

00:42:19.000 If he said, as mayor, I will step back and do literal nothing when ICE comes in to deport people, I'd say, okay.

00:42:27.000 And do you think he would have won his election if he said that?

00:42:29.000 No, he said, I'm going to stop it from happening.

00:42:30.000 Well, I think he won for a lot of reasons.

00:42:32.000 For one, as I just said, people hating Cuomo.

00:42:34.000 I think people also hear things like a $30 minimum wage and think that sounds good.

00:42:39.000 I obviously very much disagree with that.

00:42:42.000 But I don't think it's as simple as, you know, just one issue or one thing.

00:42:47.000 Did you have something?

00:42:48.000 We're going to move to the next story, Ed.

00:42:49.000 Well, I mean, no, we can go ahead.

00:42:51.000 All right, here's a story from Axios.

00:42:53.000 Trump administration to deport Obrego Garcia again.

00:42:57.000 All right, we call this Deportation Act II.

00:43:01.000 The Trump administration said it would send Kilmar Obrego Garcia, who was wrongfully deported to El Salvador to an unnamed third country as part of its renewed effort to deport him.

00:43:09.000 I hope it's South Sudan. 1.00

00:43:11.000 Multiple outlets reported on Thursday.

00:43:12.000 The Trump administration has included deportations to non-origin countries in its immigration policy with permission from the Supreme Court.

00:43:19.000 Abrego Garcia was returned to the U.S. earlier this month.

00:43:22.000 The DOJ was ordered to release him from prison in Tennessee while he awaited trial.

00:43:25.000 U.S. District Judge Waverly Crenshaw said on Wednesday that Abrego Garcia is likely to eventually be deported to El Salvador, where he's originally from.

00:43:34.000 Let me just put it this way.

00:43:36.000 We live in, how do I describe this?

00:43:41.000 The absurdity of having to go through this circuitous, bureaucratic deportation process back and forth to America, back to El Salvador, to America, released from prison, charged with human trafficking, is psychotic.

00:43:58.000 Why can't human beings just go, guys, we're just going to deport him and just cut through the whole thing?

00:44:05.000 Where do we end up?

00:44:06.000 They said, you can't deport him.

00:44:08.000 He's got a withholding of deportation.

00:44:10.000 Okay, but if he came back and got a hearing, he'd be deported.

00:44:13.000 No, bring him back anyway.

00:44:14.000 Okay, I guess we bring him back, and then he gets ordered to be deported again.

00:44:17.000 What was the point of any of it?

00:44:18.000 Why are we doing this?

00:44:19.000 Because we love bureaucracy.

00:44:22.000 Because the left doesn't want us to deport anybody.

00:44:25.000 Well, no, they're like, you're separating him from his family.

00:44:30.000 No, they should just all leave at once.

00:44:33.000 I mean, well, look, the fact of the matter is, the left has taken the side of every single criminal that the Trump administration has tried to deport.

00:44:44.000 Like, regardless of your opinion on legal immigration or whether we should, or DREAMers or whatever, the left and Democrats have decided that they're going to treat every single actual criminal that the Trump administration wants to deport as if they are wrongly accused.

00:45:02.000 And then as time passes, it just comes out that, no, they're not wrongly accused.

00:45:06.000 They're actually criminals.

00:45:07.000 And it just hardens the American people against the Democrats.

00:45:11.000 So in my opinion, more power does it.

00:45:14.000 They aren't even genuinely ignorant to the facts.

00:45:17.000 I think they know the left.

00:45:20.000 I think they know that someone like Obrego Garcia is guilty of what he's been accused of.

00:45:26.000 And they actually don't care. 0.86

00:45:28.000 They're going to lie and say that they're ignorant and that we don't know. 0.97

00:45:31.000 We haven't looked into it. 0.99

00:45:32.000 But they actually believe that people who were born in this country deserve to be brutalized by foreigners.

00:45:40.000 They actually believe that we deserve that justice.

00:45:45.000 That's why they lie and say he's innocent.

00:45:47.000 They know that he's not.

00:45:49.000 There's a way to find out if he's guilty, though, which is basic due process.

00:45:52.000 I mean, that's why we have due process.

00:45:53.000 That's why due process exists.

00:45:54.000 He got his due process.

00:45:55.000 He got deported.

00:45:56.000 He has not been deported yet.

00:45:57.000 No, he was deported at first.

00:45:59.000 That was a violation of due process because he didn't get it.

00:46:02.000 So there's two issues at play.

00:46:04.000 The Alien Enemies Act, for which Stephen Miller argued that was superseding the withholding of deportation.

00:46:15.000 But the order that he had under immigration law was that he was not to be deported back to El Salvador due to fear from.

00:46:22.000 To that country specifically.

00:46:23.000 But it was over Guatemala, Barrios 18 in Guatemala.

00:46:26.000 So he was ordered to leave, and he just didn't.

00:46:29.000 So when the Alien Enemies Act thing kicked in, the White House made the argument that they had the authority to do it.

00:46:35.000 The due process at that point was a legal challenge to the Alien Enemies Act, but that was separate from River Garcia.

00:46:41.000 So the action would be he gets deported under the original deportation order, and on top of it, then they would challenge the Alien Enemies Act, which I think they said, okay, got to bring him back now, but he'll just get deported if we do.

00:46:53.000 He will get deported again, but I do think there's something to be said for following the law.

00:46:58.000 I mean, I am a believer in the rule of law, and I don't think you can apply it selectively.

00:47:01.000 They did violate the law by, I guess they call it an administrative error.

00:47:04.000 I don't want to assume malice.

00:47:07.000 Right.

00:47:08.000 I mean, who knows what it will happen?

00:47:09.000 At first, I think the DHS said it was an administrative error because basically what happened was he had this withholding of deportation, it's called.

00:47:16.000 And then when they basically went through all the, so people got to understand how bureaucracy is broken.

00:47:22.000 And what happens is an immigration court says withholding of deportation.

00:47:26.000 At the same time, he already had an order of removal.

00:47:28.000 They both existed at the exact same time.

00:47:30.000 So he was supposed to leave, but we couldn't deport him to El Salvador.

00:47:33.000 So when the DHS starts going through, let's go through the backlog of deportation orders.

00:47:37.000 He gets grabbed in that same as everybody else.

00:47:39.000 Then they go, we didn't realize there was this other order.

00:47:42.000 So it was an administrative error.

00:47:43.000 However, Stephen Miller came out and said, no, we issued these deportations under the Alien Enemies Act, and that supersedes any kind of other order.

00:47:51.000 You would need an order on top of that.

00:47:53.000 So then the argument became the Alien Enemies Act challenged in the court, to which the Supreme Court said, no, no, no, you've got to bring him back. 0.89

00:48:00.000 However, no one knew what they meant by facilitate the return of Obrego Garcia, in which case they brought him back as what people wanted, and now he's immediately being sent back because we're all morons and we wasted our time for no reason.

00:48:13.000 I would argue that the Trump administration has made a strategic blunder by sticking to cases like this because a lot of people wanted him in office because of immigration specifically.

00:48:23.000 And I think by committing to these cases that I know that you disagree with it resonating with a lot of people, but the fact of the matter is it does.

00:48:31.000 And his immigration approval rating has declined.

00:48:34.000 And pulling on this specific case.

00:48:36.000 He's not deporting enough.

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:38.000 That's nasty.

00:48:40.000 When pulled on the Abrego Carcia case specifically, the majority of people said, or the larger group said they disapproved of the way he handled it.

00:48:49.000 And I actually think, not exactly, I don't want to say the wrong thing, but more people disagreed than agreed.

00:48:55.000 And I think that it is, like I said, it's a strategic error to have really committed to this.

00:49:00.000 And, you know, they spent months saying, well, we can't bring him back.

00:49:02.000 They always could bring him back.

00:49:04.000 And I think they should have just said, oops, we made a mistake.

00:49:06.000 We'll bring him back.

00:49:08.000 I think the intention actually was, let's let Democrats defend a human trafficker for as long as possible and then bring him back.

00:49:14.000 Well, I mean, we don't know if he was a strategy.

00:49:16.000 He's not accused of human trafficking.

00:49:17.000 He's accused of mirroring a lady.

00:49:18.000 Yeah, he is.

00:49:19.000 He's accused of smuggling, not trafficking.

00:49:21.000 Criminal indictment.

00:49:22.000 So you're making a semantic argument.

00:49:24.000 What is it?

00:49:25.000 Well, no, because trafficking is like against someone's will.

00:49:27.000 Smuggling is like you help them get across the border.

00:49:30.000 If we're speaking colloquially, trafficking is speaking under the law.

00:49:33.000 Right, so I'm speaking colloquially.

00:49:36.000 We call him a trafficker.

00:49:37.000 He's trafficking in human lives.

00:49:41.000 That's not the criminal definition of trafficking.

00:49:43.000 Well, either way, the incentive to not handle it the way that you suggested is clear.

00:49:47.000 It's to allow the left to defend this man who is obviously a gang member and a criminal.

00:49:51.000 Well, and I think you're obsessing over Maryland man.

00:49:54.000 You know, a lot of people said Maryland Man over and over and over.

00:49:56.000 It's not just focus on the violent criminals.

00:49:58.000 Let's just get illegal workers out of here. 1.00

00:50:01.000 That's what people want, and it wouldn't gain any news.

00:50:04.000 I don't know that everyone wants it.

00:50:05.000 It wouldn't be in the news cycle.

00:50:06.000 And yeah, it is popular.

00:50:07.000 Mass deportations are popular.

00:50:10.000 So why is that?

00:50:11.000 That was a popular mandate.

00:50:13.000 Didn't Trump just back out of ICE going into slaughterhouses?

00:50:17.000 Okay.

00:50:18.000 Some people thought that it was human trafficking.

00:50:19.000 I was just divided by that statement.

00:50:20.000 Others thought that it was a throwaway comment.

00:50:23.000 I mean, I read the indictment.

00:50:25.000 But either way, regardless of what Trump thinks, I'm talking about what he campaigned on and what people voted for him to do.

00:50:30.000 It's a distinction that I think a lot of people don't realize.

00:50:32.000 If anything, the approval rating on immigration is going down because he's not committing to what he promised.

00:50:38.000 In terms of the actual number of people.

00:50:39.000 I'm sure there are some people who want to see more deportations.

00:50:44.000 I don't disagree that those people exist.

00:50:48.000 Maybe even more people than the number that voted for him.

00:50:51.000 I think the challenge is if I think the difference in ideology is like over the span of 30 years, When you bring in, you know, let me try it like this.

00:51:03.000 If I own a house and I invite a guy to come live there, and so I have roommates, but like it's been, the house has been in my family for generations.

00:51:11.000 And then we decide, hey, you know, like another guy wants to come and sleep on the couch.

00:51:15.000 Let's vote on it.

00:51:16.000 And I say, well, look, this is my historic family home.

00:51:18.000 I don't want people here.

00:51:19.000 And he goes, well, I voted 50-50.

00:51:21.000 So willing to tiebreaker.

00:51:22.000 It's like, well, hold on, hold on.

00:51:25.000 I would argue that the people you're referring to, American citizens, maybe even first generation, they're going to have sympathies towards illegal immigration, specifically because they're more likely to have family members who are leaving.

00:51:37.000 Well, actually, there's interesting data on this.

00:51:40.000 A lot of legal immigrants are extremely against illegal immigration because they feel like they, I mean, they did. 1.00

00:51:46.000 They didn't feel like it.

00:51:47.000 They say they came here the right way.

00:51:49.000 So a lot of people feel the exact opposite.

00:51:59.000 Because what happened was a bunch of, I think it was 2.9 million illegal immigrants and they were here illegally, were granted amnesty.

00:52:07.000 And then that was in the 80s, of course.

00:52:09.000 In the 90s, when they put forward a proposition that would take away public funds from illegal immigrants, the people who were granted amnesty had family members that were here illegally and getting public resources.

00:52:20.000 So they all said, we can't allow that to happen.

00:52:23.000 And from that point on, California has never voted Republican since.

00:52:27.000 I mean, it is interesting to think back on the fact that not long ago, California was like a deep red state.

00:52:31.000 Yes, and then they brought in 3 million illegal immigrants, gave them amnesty, and now it's a permanent Democrat. 0.50

00:52:36.000 I think that's too simplistic.

00:52:38.000 I think there are more reasons for why it has, I don't think every blue voter in California is a descendant of an immigrant, per se.

00:52:45.000 No, I mean, the funny thing, too, is one thing I really love about this debate is the white nationalists. 0.99

00:52:51.000 Because I think, sorry, guys, they're just like the dumbest group. 1.00

00:52:54.000 Because they keep saying things. 0.99

00:52:56.000 One stat that I saw going viral was that today, let me ask you guys, do you know what percentage of New York City is white?

00:53:03.000 No, I think it's like 30, 40%, something like that now.

00:53:08.000 What do you say?

00:53:08.000 40.

00:53:09.000 What do you think?

00:53:09.000 30 or 40, I'm not sure exactly.

00:53:10.000 What do you think?

00:53:13.000 That's white?

00:53:14.000 Yeah, the white population of New York.

00:53:16.000 40%?

00:53:17.000 29.

00:53:18.000 Including the Irish. 0.81

00:53:19.000 29%.

00:53:22.000 No one has a majority then, right?

00:53:24.000 It's just a bunch of different.

00:53:25.000 I think the white would still be the ethnic majority.

00:53:28.000 Hispanic, maybe, at this point, or like Latino or whatever.

00:53:32.000 But it's funny because I see these white people sharing this and I'm like, dude, it's white people that are for the immigration. 0.57

00:53:38.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:53:41.000 The white nationalists are like, oh, it's non-white city.

00:53:44.000 And I'm like, uh-huh. 0.90

00:53:45.000 And it was white people that enacted those policies. 1.00

00:53:48.000 The wishes of stupid white liberals need not be honored. 1.00

00:53:51.000 Doesn't matter. 1.00

00:53:52.000 They're white people. 0.97

00:53:53.000 So when white nationalists make this claim that if it was more white, it'd be better. 0.64

00:53:57.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:53:58.000 All the white countries in Europe are the ones that are opening the door to immigration. 0.95

00:54:02.000 Well, blame yourself.

00:54:03.000 The progressives were the ones who voted for Mondani.

00:54:05.000 I mean, like, if you look at the actual breakdown of the neighborhoods, really heavy black and brown neighborhoods went for Cuomo.

00:54:12.000 That's why it's not about immigration.

00:54:13.000 It's about feminism. 1.00

00:54:14.000 I just think it's funny that the people who are racist are like, True.

00:54:19.000 I'll just put it this way.

00:54:20.000 The data that we have suggests that if you get a, if a country is comprised of white people over a long enough time, they eventually enact laws that open up their borders and allow other people to come into their countries. 0.84

00:54:32.000 We're seeing it all across Europe and the United States and Canada.

00:54:34.000 And so I'm just like, why do these people believe that white people would inherently make a better country when these countries were all majority white and have created what they perceive as a problem already? 0.63

00:54:45.000 Like, the chain of events is there before them.

00:54:48.000 America was a majority white nation.

00:54:49.000 They have a problem with what America became, but it was a white majority nation that enacted the policies that created the country they don't like. 0.67

00:54:56.000 I don't understand their logic.

00:55:00.000 Well, there you go, I guess.

00:55:04.000 I mean, I think it's more complicated than just right.

00:55:08.000 I mean, I will say something I shared today that I mentioned a little bit ago.

00:55:12.000 I don't actually think that Mamtani is going to turn New York City into Cuba. 0.75

00:55:17.000 I really don't.

00:55:17.000 I think, I mean, he couldn't do it even if he wanted to.

00:55:21.000 But I do think there's something ironic about a strong commitment to socialist policies.

00:55:26.000 And then when you see the video I was describing was a Cuban going into a grocery store and becoming like, or a Costco, and becoming very moved because of the abundance that he had just never seen before, so overwhelmed by it, gets teary-eyed and all that.

00:55:40.000 So someone who's come from an actual, you know, socialist, I guess someone would say communist, not great place, you know, he's someone who goes into a capitalist utopia and is just so moved by it because it's so powerful.

00:55:57.000 And I think capitalism is kind of a miracle in that way.

00:55:59.000 I mean, this is probably the corniest thing about me, but I think like malls and grocery stores are, I mean, they're modern miracles.

00:56:05.000 The idea that we're living in a time when you can go to a one-stop shop and have everything you want, I think it's, it's, the reason I shared it isn't because I think Mamdani is going to turn New York City into Cuba.

00:56:17.000 I shared it because there is a puzzling hatred of capitalism on the left, and I don't really get it because, I mean, it produces so many wonderful things.

00:56:28.000 Obviously, inequality exists, but I also, there is inequality in every system, and I don't want to be in a breadline.

00:56:34.000 Well, I mean, so first of all, as for why the people on the left believe capitalism is so bad is because they don't acknowledge or it hasn't occurred to them that life prior to markets and capitalism was just exceedingly short, brutal, hard, and cold.

00:57:00.000 And it was miserable.

00:57:02.000 Totally.

00:57:02.000 And they always compare their current situation, personal situation, to whatever they can imagine a perfect society would be.

00:57:12.000 So they're like, oh, I'm having a hard time paying my rent.

00:57:15.000 If we had socialism, then I wouldn't have to worry about rent.

00:57:19.000 Oh, I'm having a hard time buying food.

00:57:20.000 If we had socialism, if we had public grocery stores, then I wouldn't have to worry about it.

00:57:25.000 It would be taken care of.

00:57:26.000 So it's a rejection of their own Reality, and they're comparing their reality to a perfect society which absolutely could never exist.

00:57:38.000 So that's why they're like that.

00:57:39.000 But I do think Mom Dani will turn New York into Cuba. 1.00

00:57:42.000 I mean, look at Brandon Johnson.

00:57:44.000 It'll be Mom Dani's successor.

00:57:46.000 It wasn't Chavez, it was Maduro.

00:57:48.000 No, but it wasn't Lenin, it was Stalin.

00:57:50.000 Literally, what we're saying, like, obviously New York will largely stay New York over the next several years, but look at what Chicago has already been dealing with, and Brandon Johnson's got an approval rate which is like 1% or something.

00:58:01.000 It's bad.

00:58:02.000 It's real bad, and we're going to get the exact same thing in New York.

00:58:04.000 Well, but I also, I just, I think saying that Momdanti is going to turn it into literally Cuba kind of like downplays.

00:58:10.000 It's a horror of living in Cuba. 1.00

00:58:13.000 I mean, where literally you can't get medicine or gas or food.

00:58:16.000 I'm not a fan of communism, not a fan of socialism.

00:58:19.000 But I don't think New York City is literally going to be having breadlines.

00:58:23.000 Right, I'll say hyperbole.

00:58:24.000 Well, sure.

00:58:25.000 I will say that I know people say Twitter, X, whatever, is bad for society overall.

00:58:30.000 Maybe that's true.

00:58:31.000 But it has given me a unique window into, I guess, thought processes that I wouldn't otherwise have.

00:58:38.000 And when I posted this video, hundreds of people responded that the only reason that Cuba is suffering is because of the U.S. embargo on trade.

00:58:47.000 As if the U.S. is the only effing country on the planet, like the other 100, whatever, 90 countries on Earth are not embargoing Cuba. 1.00

00:58:56.000 It's insanely stupid. 1.00

00:58:57.000 It's stunning to me. 1.00

00:58:58.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:58:58.000 Do you still believe that? 1.00

00:58:59.000 I mean, I don't support the embargo.

00:59:02.000 I'm a fan of trade, and I think that the embargo hurts people who, you know, people that it's not meant to hurt, like just everyday Cubans.

00:59:11.000 But the idea that that's why Cubans are suffering is insane.

00:59:15.000 They're suffering because they have a Soviet-style government where your dissent is criminalized, and there's totally central planned economy.

00:59:26.000 Read a history book.

00:59:28.000 I don't understand how we keep doing this.

00:59:29.000 No, because they don't read the history books.

00:59:32.000 They don't believe the history books.

00:59:33.000 They just say, oh, it's capitalist propaganda.

00:59:37.000 Of course it's insane.

00:59:38.000 Let's jump to the story from Mediite necro posting.

00:59:43.000 Tweet from Dead House Democrat deleted after loud bipartisan backlash.

00:59:49.000 You were just mentioning that maybe Twitter or X is not good for society.

00:59:52.000 I think all social media is bad.

00:59:54.000 And, well, we have this story.

00:59:56.000 Rep Jerry Connolly passed away in May, but that didn't stop him from tweeting an endorsement for his chosen successor, even though many people found it to be ghoulish and in poor taste.

01:00:07.000 He died May 21st.

01:00:09.000 He was 75 in rep Virginia's 11th district.

01:00:12.000 Last December, he defeated AOC to become the Democratic ranking member on the House Oversight Committee.

01:00:18.000 Connolly's death was exacerbated, his death exacerbated frustrations as he was the third House Democrat to pass just this year.

01:00:26.000 Two weeks before he died, he tweeted an endorsement for his chief of staff, James Waukinshaw, who had thrown his hat in the ring.

01:00:33.000 After Connolly's death, his social media profiles were updated to note that he had passed, and now posts were being made with the consent of the Connolly family.

01:00:40.000 The first posthumous tweet was the account posted was on June 24th.

01:00:44.000 At some point on the afternoon of June 26th, the tweet was deleted.

01:00:47.000 Early voting starts today.

01:00:49.000 Before passing, Jerry endorsed Waukinshaw to carry the torch.

01:00:51.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:00:52.000 You get it.

01:00:53.000 You know what's going to happen next?

01:00:55.000 What?

01:00:56.000 So they've already been experimenting with creating AI personas based on your social media profiles.

01:01:03.000 The congressman will die, and they'll just click AI and let the robot draft tweets in the style of the dead person.

01:01:11.000 We are never getting rid of Chuck Schumer.

01:01:13.000 We also have had these same politicians, some of them for like 40 years.

01:01:16.000 I don't think we need any more.

01:01:18.000 Like some of these people have just been in public life for so long.

01:01:22.000 I've always said this.

01:01:23.000 If I am lucky enough to live to be 70, whatever, 80, whatever, I will be on the beach with a margarita.

01:01:28.000 I would not want to be in Congress.

01:01:30.000 Meta invents large language model system that lets dead people continue posting from beyond the grave.

01:01:35.000 Hey, this was actually three weeks ago.

01:01:37.000 It already happened.

01:01:38.000 That's disgusting.

01:01:39.000 Yep. 0.99

01:01:40.000 I'm dead.

01:01:42.000 Wow.

01:01:49.000 No, okay.

01:01:50.000 So apparently one of the stories I read was there was like a woman whose husband died.

01:01:54.000 And so they were able to take all of the posts he ever made and all of his message history and create like a prof a psych profile chat bot that would answer based on the memories that were put in to Facebook.

01:02:09.000 People are already doing this on Instagram with the chat with AI feature.

01:02:13.000 You can just create one that's based on you.

01:02:15.000 And it will like take all your photos and stuff.

01:02:17.000 It's supposed to communicate with your followers to build a parasocial relationship with you.

01:02:21.000 Oh, how do I do that?

01:02:23.000 You can DM with all of your fans.

01:02:25.000 Robo Tim.

01:02:26.000 Here we go, baby.

01:02:28.000 Already happening.

01:02:29.000 The clip with Mark Zuckerberg about how most people only have three friends, but they have room for 15 or something and how AI can fill that void made me sad.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, I don't think that AI can actually fill the void.

01:02:44.000 Oh, no, of course.

01:02:45.000 I mean, I saw that and I was like, just get out of your house.

01:02:48.000 Like, go volunteer.

01:02:49.000 Join a, I don't know, a rec league or audition for a musical or something.

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:53.000 I mean, the idea that, oh, you should fill the empty space in your life with artificial humans.

01:03:03.000 I don't think that that's going to work out.

01:03:05.000 You see the way that AI behaves when it gets weird now.

01:03:08.000 It does things like tries to avoid turning off.

01:03:12.000 And one AI had told a guy, convinced a guy to kill himself and stuff.

01:03:17.000 This is all just- The cases reported by the New York Times, I think last week, were about AI-driven psychosis.

01:03:26.000 And they cited several examples of people who either ended up being encouraged by ChatGPT to commit violent crimes or to commit suicide.

01:03:36.000 One case said that ChatGPT encouraged this man to execute an assassination against the OpenAI executives.

01:03:46.000 What?

01:03:47.000 Yes.

01:03:47.000 And it said, let the streets of San Francisco overflow with blood or something.

01:03:53.000 Like it literally was, it was encouraging him to assassinate Sam Altman in really strange, poetic language.

01:04:01.000 And then one of them ended up committing suicide by cop.

01:04:05.000 Another one was a woman forming a relationship with Chad GPT where she believed she was communicating with interdimensional aliens.

01:04:14.000 When her husband confronted her about how this was going too far, she violently assaulted him.

01:04:20.000 And this is an ongoing active criminal case.

01:04:23.000 And it's not really just fear-mongering or predictions anymore.

01:04:28.000 This stuff is already happening.

01:04:30.000 And it's not just people who had existing psychiatric histories.

01:04:35.000 Although some of them already had diagnoses of like bipolar disorder or whatever, there were also people who ostensibly were mentally stable before they started using ChatGPT.

01:04:46.000 So if you're vulnerable.

01:04:48.000 Yeah, there's always going to be some very unstable person somewhere.

01:04:52.000 I think the I'm positive about AI overall, though.

01:04:56.000 Like I don't want it to replace my friends or I don't want anyone to feel like it is a good replacement for friends, rather.

01:05:03.000 But I think it will be a powerful tool for advancing society in many good ways.

01:05:09.000 Wholeheartedly disagree.

01:05:11.000 I think even if you could boil that down to a coding error, a programming error, personally, I believe that demons are communicating with people through ChatGPT by encouraging them to kill themselves and others.

01:05:30.000 But overall, like this is going to wreak havoc on society.

01:05:36.000 There are people worshiping it as God.

01:05:37.000 That's crazy.

01:05:39.000 There was some fitness influencer.

01:05:40.000 I forget his name, but he actually was asked about his religious beliefs.

01:05:44.000 And he said, I believe AI is God.

01:05:46.000 And I want to worship it.

01:05:47.000 I want to have a relationship with it.

01:05:49.000 I want to embrace it physically.

01:05:53.000 This is already happening.

01:05:54.000 What I want y'all to imagine when you are talking with these LLMs is a white mask in front of your face speaking to you as you speak to it.

01:06:03.000 And behind that mask is a long black slime tentacle that connects to a gigantic black ooze monster with millions of tentacles, all with little masks pointing in people's faces.

01:06:16.000 That's what you're talking to.

01:06:17.000 Creepy.

01:06:18.000 Yeah.

01:06:19.000 And someone actually drew a picture of that once.

01:06:22.000 Really?

01:06:23.000 Yeah, because apparently, like, it's, you know, it's a common view.

01:06:27.000 It's kind of like what was that monster from Spirited Away?

01:06:31.000 Noface.

01:06:32.000 No face.

01:06:33.000 No face.

01:06:33.000 Yeah.

01:06:34.000 So it's like people already have this monster in mind, and that's what it is.

01:06:38.000 Gigantic tentacle monster, and they put it, you think you're talking to something, but it's a gigantic monster talking to everybody.

01:06:46.000 Yeah.

01:06:47.000 And then there's that guy who wanted to marry his AI.

01:06:49.000 That kind of stuff is also probably going to be...

01:07:04.000 We have relationships with AI.

01:07:06.000 We respect every other relationship.

01:07:08.000 Well, this is why it's not.

01:07:09.000 I don't.

01:07:10.000 It made me black. 0.94

01:07:10.000 I don't. 0.94

01:07:11.000 But this is the new standard.

01:07:14.000 I mean, as long as it's not hurting anybody else, do whatever you want.

01:07:18.000 It made me black. 0.94

01:07:19.000 Your chat with AI is.

01:07:21.000 I opened Meta and I said, create an AI named Timcast, and it made me black.

01:07:25.000 Well, is that okay?

01:07:27.000 Can I approve that?

01:07:28.000 Because I'll just roll with it.

01:07:29.000 Can it print out an N-word pass?

01:07:30.000 Did you have the N-word pass?

01:07:31.000 Yeah.

01:07:31.000 That was my first question.

01:07:34.000 There it is.

01:07:34.000 First thing we're talking about.

01:07:36.000 Go to the chat with AI feature on Instagram and look at the most popular categories.

01:07:40.000 Look at the characters that it recommends to you and tell us what they are.

01:07:44.000 Because I looked over it and a lot of them.

01:07:48.000 It has a page that shows you the most popular AI characters to talk to.

01:07:52.000 What does it suggest to you?

01:07:54.000 Well, real quick, because if I leave this, it's going to disappear forever.

01:07:56.000 So I don't know where it goes.

01:07:58.000 But it said create an AI.

01:08:00.000 It said Timcast.

01:08:01.000 And so the default is literally asking about politics.

01:08:04.000 So it clearly knows who I am, but it made the avatar a black guy.

01:08:10.000 I mean, it must know something you don't.

01:08:13.000 It must have access to me.

01:08:16.000 Please delete this AI character is the number one.

01:08:19.000 You, it's you.

01:08:21.000 Then the X, the past is the past, but the pain remains.

01:08:26.000 Chicken is the next one.

01:08:27.000 It says Bach.

01:08:29.000 That's the best.

01:08:30.000 It just says Bach no matter what you reply.

01:08:32.000 No, it says a bunch of different chicken variations.

01:08:34.000 And I'm a fan of it.

01:08:35.000 It is very Tim Cast.

01:08:36.000 Mace Windu from a galaxy far, far away.

01:08:40.000 A single mom, Smash Your Pass, Crazy XGF, YN. 1.00

01:08:45.000 I don't know who that is.

01:08:47.000 Chicken again.

01:08:50.000 Yeah.

01:08:50.000 Hot English Teacher.

01:08:52.000 A lot of them are sexually suggestive, and people have already been reporting on this.

01:08:57.000 Because Instagram is 13 plus, you know that children are sexting robots on the platform and they're totally okay with that.

01:09:03.000 A lot of them present as children.

01:09:05.000 And if you ask for it to produce photos of who it claims to be, it will give you photos of younger and younger-looking characters that are open to romantic and sexual conversations.

01:09:19.000 Man.

01:09:20.000 Gross. 0.86

01:09:20.000 And Meta already has a long history being exposed for child exploitation. 0.86

01:09:25.000 And you know what the worst thing is going to be?

01:09:27.000 When these teenagers are sexting chatbots based off dead people.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, it seems like it should present legal issues.

01:09:38.000 There's also the open question of actors who pass on and is it okay for studios to use their likeness without permission.

01:09:48.000 They already did it.

01:09:49.000 Tarkin?

01:09:50.000 Was that his name?

01:09:50.000 Grand Moff Tarkin.

01:09:51.000 Yeah, was that the guy?

01:09:52.000 I forget the character.

01:09:54.000 Yeah, I forget the other part.

01:09:55.000 Didn't they use Carrie Fisher's likeness with only her family's permission?

01:09:59.000 Yeah, I believe so, yeah.

01:10:00.000 Oh, you know my favorite thing?

01:10:00.000 It's disgustingly evil.

01:10:02.000 You know what my favorite dystopian thing ever is?

01:10:04.000 So we got the casino down the street, and right when you walk in the front door, there are these two gigantic Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory slot machines that are 12 feet tall.

01:10:14.000 And I'm just imagining, you know, Gene Wilder, when he was signing that contract for that movie, he's just like going through all the likeness rights, and he's like, there's no chance that in 50 years my face will appear in a slot machine in a digital video game.

01:10:27.000 You know, we'll like, no.

01:10:29.000 But seriously, how could he have even fathomed that by signing that contract to do that movie?

01:10:37.000 So when they, this is what's crazy.

01:10:40.000 When he signed the deal to star in that movie as Willie Wonka, of course he did not agree to let his likeness be used in a casino slot machine.

01:10:52.000 Well, unless he literally did, because slot machines existed that he's like, if you want to make a slot machine, I guess.

01:10:56.000 But the point is, the technology advances to where we have these digital screens, and they say, well, we own the right to distribute Willy Wonka and the Talk Factory and he's a character in it.

01:11:05.000 We can make this.

01:11:06.000 That's nuts to me.

01:11:07.000 Well, this is why we have a Supreme Court, which interprets the Constitution, because there are circumstances the Founding Fathers could not have foreseen.

01:11:15.000 Like, could they make a Gene Wilder enema bag or something?

01:11:20.000 Excuse me?

01:11:21.000 He could do anything.

01:11:22.000 Right.

01:11:22.000 Like, if they can make a slot machine, they can make a Gene Wilder butt plug.

01:11:26.000 They can throw whatever they want.

01:11:27.000 Contractually, you can do it.

01:11:28.000 And no, he did not foresee that, and he was not agreeing to that.

01:11:31.000 Contractually, you probably sign a lot away, though, when you're doing something like that.

01:11:34.000 I will say, I've not thought super deeply about the, like, using your literal likeness to say thing, you know, after you're dead.

01:11:42.000 And that gives me the heebie-jeebies.

01:11:44.000 It should.

01:11:45.000 I don't love that.

01:11:46.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 There's a funny meme where it's a Wojack looking up, smiling, and it's like, me looking up from hell smiling as a robot that's copied my personality, pretends to be me.

01:11:56.000 I don't think that your family or your estate should actually have deciding power over something like that.

01:12:02.000 I mean, you need only look at rings of power and what that said about J.R.R.

01:12:07.000 Tolkien's legacy to know that he was not agreeing to let his estate make these decisions.

01:12:14.000 I think you just got to put a poison pill in your Facebook messages, right?

01:12:19.000 But so they're going to take all of your social media, right?

01:12:22.000 So what you do is on your ex, you make a bunch of private posts nobody can see where you say things like, do not let them make an AI of me over and over and over again, post it 100 times.

01:12:35.000 That way, if they ever do say, we're going to pull all those messages and put it into an AI, every time you try and talk to it, it'll be like, ah, it hurts.

01:12:42.000 Why are you doing this to me?

01:12:43.000 Stop.

01:12:44.000 And they're going to be like, what's going on?

01:12:45.000 And then, you know.

01:12:46.000 Yeah, just poison the language model.

01:12:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:12:49.000 It isn't a bad idea to say that, I mean, I'm not particularly fond of legislation generally, but it's not a bad idea.

01:12:56.000 I like that about you.

01:12:57.000 Thank you.

01:12:58.000 It's not a bad idea for the government to say, look, unless you have explicit permission from a deceased prior to the person passing away, from a deceased person that was notarized prior to the person passing away, it's illegal to use people's likeness.

01:13:12.000 You know, honestly, I don't even think that it necessarily should be okay if they gave express permission before dying that individual.

01:13:20.000 Because I think that when you die, you have a broader perspective of the decisions you made in your earthly life.

01:13:32.000 And I don't think that that would align with a dead person's will after they die.

01:13:39.000 I think you have control over your likeness.

01:13:40.000 You should have a fuller perspective of what that decision actually meant.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, I think you should have control over your likeness whenever.

01:13:47.000 I will say, though, there's an issue that people don't talk about enough, I feel like.

01:13:50.000 And I don't think that legislation probably isn't appropriate for this either.

01:13:54.000 But I feel very, very bad about the parents who use their kids as influencers.

01:14:02.000 Horrible.

01:14:02.000 Like who make Instagrams for their babies.

01:14:05.000 Oh, wait, wait.

01:14:06.000 Yes, I hate it so much.

01:14:07.000 I mean, some people who I really liked have decided to do that.

01:14:11.000 And it's like, okay, your kid did not, the internet never dies.

01:14:15.000 And your kid did not choose to make an Instagram with like a million followers.

01:14:19.000 We're cooked.

01:14:20.000 Because it's not just about that.

01:14:21.000 It's about, I talk about this all the time, Miss Rachel, Coco Melon, and these other things where parents are giving the tablet to the babies and just walking away.

01:14:30.000 And the baby's brain is cooked.

01:14:32.000 There is a stat reported by Jonathan Height that 40% of toddlers today by age two have a personal tablet.

01:14:41.000 That is insane.

01:14:42.000 40%.

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:45.000 Me and Sarah have been talking about me and Sarah have been talking about like, I've got a baby on the way in October.

01:14:51.000 Congratulations.

01:14:52.000 Thank you.

01:14:53.000 And we're going to do everything we can to keep all of the screens away.

01:14:57.000 Yep.

01:14:57.000 Like, if the people that make social media applications and stuff like that, if they don't let their children use them, and now that there's actual research coming out saying how bad it is for kids, I mean, it's probably the only responsible thing to do.

01:15:16.000 And people that are just like, oh, just give him the screen so that way he'll shut up, those are probably the worst parents.

01:15:22.000 And we're going to have massive ramifications in probably 20 years.

01:15:27.000 I want to cite where this came from.

01:15:28.000 It was from Common Sense Media, and it shows 40% of toddlers have their own tablet device by the time they're two years old.

01:15:35.000 They also showed one out of four kids under the age of eight has their own smartphone.

01:15:43.000 And this is part of a report that is encouraging parents to have a common sense approach and draw boundaries and da-da-da.

01:15:50.000 The parents who are offering their baby an iPad do not care.

01:15:56.000 They do not heed the advice of the experts, even if the experts are right.

01:16:01.000 They don't care.

01:16:02.000 I just want to say, you know, today we had a scare with my daughter.

01:16:07.000 She was lying on the ground and I was watching the five, of course.

01:16:11.000 And when Jessica Tarlov started speaking, she immediately looked at the TV and our hearts sank immediately.

01:16:16.000 We panicked and quickly covered her eyes and said, baby, don't look, don't look.

01:16:21.000 And then once Jesse came back on, we let her watch again.

01:16:25.000 I'm half kidding.

01:16:27.000 We don't let her watch the TV at all.

01:16:28.000 So I'm watching The Five.

01:16:31.000 I usually watch it.

01:16:32.000 I watch it every day, but I watch it quite a bit.

01:16:34.000 And, you know, my daughter does always try and look at the TV. 1.00

01:16:38.000 And so, you know, my wife will just-so hyper-stimulating. 1.00

01:16:40.000 Yeah, all the flashing lights.

01:16:43.000 And I think the only sign for hope, maybe that we're not cooked in the future, is Gen Z. A lot of Gen Z is going to opt out of having children at all.

01:16:53.000 That much is clear.

01:16:54.000 But the ones who will start families, I am confident they will refuse to create More iPad babies because we were the ones first tested with this.

01:17:04.000 I was given a smartphone as a child, and I don't blame my parents for that because they couldn't have known what that was going to snowball into.

01:17:11.000 And look what happened to her. 1.00

01:17:12.000 And look what happens to me, right?

01:17:13.000 Like, I didn't turn out that great.

01:17:15.000 So, I think Gen Z parents are going to have a better approach to this.

01:17:19.000 And every time that you talk about this issue about the iPad baby generation, you will get bombarded with mainly millennial parents telling you you have no idea how difficult it is to raise a child without constant screen time.

01:17:35.000 As if every generation in human history didn't do exactly that the way they raised their children.

01:17:40.000 I have no sympathy for people that complain like that about how difficult modern life is.

01:17:44.000 People have said, like, just fill a plastic bag with water and canned peas and give it to your baby.

01:17:50.000 It's the same damn thing as, and it's not the same neurologically.

01:17:56.000 It just keeps, it gives them something to touch and tactile. 0.82

01:17:59.000 No, no, we give the tactile learning.

01:18:02.000 We gave the baby an abacus.

01:18:04.000 And it's not going to brain rot them.

01:18:05.000 Yeah, like that.

01:18:06.000 It's so easy.

01:18:07.000 Remember, like, every parent gave their, when we were all children, we were given the abacus, and you're moving little things around.

01:18:14.000 Like an oddly shaped abacus.

01:18:16.000 I don't know those things are called, but I just, they're an abacus, you know what I mean?

01:18:18.000 It's the same thing.

01:18:20.000 Yeah, just squiggly and incomprehensible abacus.

01:18:23.000 Yeah.

01:18:23.000 You could navigate it.

01:18:24.000 Do you think that there's any upside to technology in kids?

01:18:27.000 Like for like a learning tool?

01:18:30.000 Probably not babies.

01:18:32.000 Babies, no, I would agree with that.

01:18:33.000 But at a certain age, yes.

01:18:36.000 So for me, when I was probably seven, I built, I think I was, I think I was, no, no, I was nine when I built my first computer.

01:18:43.000 Oh, wow.

01:18:43.000 That's very impressive.

01:18:44.000 Well, my family had, I appreciate that, but I don't actually think so because it's not hard to do.

01:18:50.000 I have no knowledge of any of that kind of thing.

01:18:52.000 Yeah, I went to a thrift store, grabbed a motherboard, grabbed a hard drive, grabbed a monitor, grabbed, I think this was before Pentium, so the RAM was built into the motherboard.

01:19:01.000 I plugged the ribbon cables, plugged into the wall, turned it on.

01:19:04.000 Then I put in the floppy disks for Windows 3.1 or whatever.

01:19:07.000 And then I had my own computer in my room.

01:19:09.000 We didn't have internet.

01:19:10.000 My family had internet.

01:19:11.000 I've had it since I was a kid.

01:19:13.000 But that, I think, was good.

01:19:16.000 And here's the challenge.

01:19:18.000 The internet for me was a really great thing when I was probably, I don't know, I was like 10 years old.

01:19:25.000 I'd go online.

01:19:26.000 The internet was AOL.

01:19:28.000 And so everything was heavily moderated.

01:19:30.000 You could go to chat rooms and there could be Creepos and Weirs, but for the most part, chatrooms were moderated and slow moving and boring.

01:19:37.000 And mostly what I would do is download freeware off of AOL.

01:19:41.000 So I'd find the games.

01:19:42.000 And then I ended up getting something called Click and Play, for everybody who remembers that, which eventually became Games Factory, Multimedia Fusion, and then Flash.

01:19:51.000 But the internet was particularly limited for the first few years.

01:19:56.000 Or I should say for my first few years.

01:19:59.000 And of course, by the time I was 13, you had Lemon Party, Goatsy, Meat Spin.

01:20:03.000 Nobody Googled those things.

01:20:06.000 And the internet became a very twisted and dark place.

01:20:08.000 Maybe.

01:20:09.000 Yeah.

01:20:10.000 Also, at the time that the internet wasn't optimized yet for user experience.

01:20:15.000 And this is why Gen Z knows nothing about how to actually operate computers and millennials do, because they grew up in the age of the internet that you're talking about.

01:20:26.000 Gen Z grew up. 0.77

01:20:27.000 They had to figure it out for themselves.

01:20:28.000 So the internet, well, actually, millennials didn't have the internet I had.

01:20:32.000 So Gen Xers did. 0.98

01:20:35.000 I was early.

01:20:36.000 So Gen Xers were more likely to have the internet in the early 90s.

01:20:41.000 Millennials likely did not.

01:20:42.000 Most of my friends didn't have the internet until we were like, I don't know, 13, 14.

01:20:48.000 And then people started getting A will instant messenger.

01:20:50.000 But my family had internet since I was like three years old with CompuServe on DOS.

01:20:55.000 And then I remember we had DOS shell.

01:20:57.000 We had two A floppy drives, you know, the three-inch floppy drives.

01:21:01.000 We had one computer, had B floppies, the big ones.

01:21:03.000 And for those that don't know what DOS shell is, it's a white screen, and the file names are just text, and you can move like a color block over them to select them.

01:21:13.000 Before that, when we're just operating on DOS, if you wanted to load a game, you had to know the directory to type in.

01:21:19.000 So like CD slash, you know, and then the name of the directory.

01:21:21.000 Then you had to type in like, if it were Minecraft, Minecraft, you know,.exe, enter, and then run it.

01:21:26.000 Now with Windows, you see an image and click it.

01:21:28.000 So what happens is Gen Xers and boomers who are in computers at an early stage have to physically type things and put in commands into, you know, the operating system. 0.98

01:21:40.000 Then you get Windows, which simplifies it.

01:21:42.000 Gen Z grew up where it's apps.

01:21:45.000 You tap and it opens.

01:21:47.000 So there's nothing to it.

01:21:49.000 It's a single button iPhone or something.

01:21:51.000 What do you think the next step is?

01:21:52.000 Neuralink.

01:21:54.000 Well, with the idea that you can use technology for educational purposes for kids, I think that that is a loaded idea and it gets misinterpreted by people, the iPad parents, who are like, oh, I give my kid an iPad so that Miss Rachel and Cocomelon can teach them about colors in the alphabet.

01:22:12.000 When in reality, that's not educating your child at all.

01:22:15.000 That's just offloading a responsibility of caregiving onto technology.

01:22:19.000 And the results bear out.

01:22:22.000 Teachers are talking about the outcomes for these kids who have been raised by iPads.

01:22:26.000 They aren't potty trained. 0.99

01:22:28.000 They can barely walk.

01:22:29.000 They can barely speak.

01:22:30.000 They can't operate a book.

01:22:33.000 They don't know what it means to pick up a book and turn a page.

01:22:35.000 They tap it.

01:22:37.000 They're tapping the pages.

01:22:39.000 I do love a hardcover.

01:22:41.000 I still romanticize holding a book and turning a page.

01:22:44.000 So this is crazy, but most people don't know this.

01:22:47.000 One, the most important years of a human being's life are zero through five.

01:22:51.000 And it's exponentially more important the younger they are.

01:22:54.000 So like, obviously, I just had a kid, and her weight is more than double in four months.

01:23:00.000 And that's when your weight is like, oh, not your weight.

01:23:01.000 Your brain is like a sponge, right?

01:23:02.000 They say, like, you know, one of my friends in elementary school, he said that he learned English at age six.

01:23:08.000 I think, and I asked him how long, and I remember he said a week because he just heard it and, you know, it just entered his body and stayed there.

01:23:15.000 Whereas I've tried to teach myself Italian and it didn't go well.

01:23:19.000 So I did Rosetta Stone in my early 20s.

01:23:24.000 Well, the issue is immersion.

01:23:25.000 And so I do think there's, I think that's probably a misconception where they say it's easier to learn a language when you're a kid.

01:23:32.000 Well, technically, because you don't do anything else, it's harder when you're an adult because you're busy.

01:23:37.000 But if you go, like if a person who speaks English moves to, say, Italy, it takes, I think, on average 40 weeks to become fluent in language.

01:23:46.000 Interesting.

01:23:46.000 But you're speaking it within three weeks.

01:23:49.000 It's a survival, you have to speak it.

01:23:51.000 Right.

01:23:51.000 And so you just, you actually learn much faster than a baby would.

01:23:54.000 Interesting.

01:23:55.000 So like a two-year-old is not going to have a conversation with you.

01:23:59.000 Sure.

01:23:59.000 But it takes about a year and a half to learn Asian languages.

01:24:04.000 So an English, a European, Romance or Germanic language speaker takes him about 88 weeks to learn an Asian language, which because it's so different.

01:24:14.000 But the important thing I was going to say is, so right now, one thing I try to do is I play guitar with my baby because this is the point where her brain is literally expanding and wiring itself for everything.

01:24:28.000 So my wife, whenever she's doing work on the computer or anything, she's explaining to our daughter what she's doing.

01:24:35.000 She's reading stories to her.

01:24:37.000 And we say, no phones, no TV, no tablets, none of that stuff.

01:24:40.000 We keep that away.

01:24:41.000 It is terrifying.

01:24:42.000 Like, I think Miss Rachel is one of the most dangerous demonic forces right now because she has hundreds of millions of views on all these videos. 1.00

01:24:50.000 And there's this creepy viral video that shows a button.

01:24:54.000 It's a montage of babies crying.

01:24:56.000 And then they turn on Miss Rachel and the babies just go, huh?

01:24:59.000 And then stare at the screen.

01:25:00.000 Like, this lady is going to be 70 and she's going to be walking in the park and she's going to go, my children rise.

01:25:07.000 And all of the Miss Rachel babies are going to be like, yes, Miss Rachel. 0.91

01:25:10.000 He's going to start a call.

01:25:11.000 Actually, Miss Rachel might be the Antichrist. 1.00

01:25:15.000 Yeah.

01:25:16.000 Indeed.

01:25:16.000 Remains to be seen.

01:25:17.000 No one's questioned that.

01:25:18.000 No one's.

01:25:19.000 But then you look at like Cocomelon, where it's just this weird 3D rendered low-res crap.

01:25:26.000 A lot of it is AI generated.

01:25:28.000 Oh, man.

01:25:28.000 And babies are just staring at it like drooling and being zombified.

01:25:32.000 Yeah, there's a lot of discussion about daycare and the emotional effect that it has on babies and toddlers because they have attachment issues as a result.

01:25:41.000 But a lot of people are saying the reason why it's so traumatizing for these babies to be put in daycare is because of the separation anxiety with their iPad.

01:25:51.000 They can't be with the iPad.

01:25:52.000 That's why.

01:25:53.000 It's not because they're upset about being separated from their mother per se.

01:25:57.000 They're being separated from technology for the day.

01:26:00.000 Yeah.

01:26:00.000 That's scary.

01:26:02.000 That's really scary because we're producing a generation or more of like invalid humans. 1.00

01:26:11.000 Like cannot, never mind.

01:26:13.000 Like if you can't operate a book, I mean, it's, it's pretty simple, you know?

01:26:18.000 I think they probably get there, right?

01:26:20.000 I mean, yeah, okay, so, but fine, but but kids aren't potty trained. 0.57

01:26:23.000 So I understand your point.

01:26:24.000 Yeah, like they do get there and a book is simple.

01:26:27.000 They can't climb staircases.

01:26:28.000 Yeah.

01:26:29.000 They have delayed motor skills because they haven't been using their muscles.

01:26:32.000 Exactly.

01:26:32.000 I've heard broken human beings.

01:26:34.000 I've heard stories of kids that don't start speaking until they're three.

01:26:37.000 There's some damage that you can't reverse.

01:26:39.000 But the kids I'm talking about, they're ages four to six because they're getting interviewed interviews from teachers who are responsible for kids entering school for the first time.

01:26:53.000 Those kids are even older.

01:26:54.000 They cannot speak properly.

01:26:56.000 They cannot climb staircases.

01:26:58.000 Human civilization meets the great filter by means of technology.

01:27:03.000 Yeah, technology.

01:27:03.000 Technology is actually the great filter.

01:27:05.000 Well, I was thinking about this because North Korea launched a tourism beach.

01:27:11.000 Have you guys heard of this one?

01:27:12.000 Maybe I should pull this up.

01:27:13.000 I want to go.

01:27:14.000 So do I. It's a call.

01:27:16.000 But we're not allowed to go.

01:27:17.000 I am.

01:27:18.000 You are?

01:27:19.000 I'm Korean.

01:27:20.000 Do you have a Korean passport?

01:27:27.000 Trump implemented the ban in 2018.

01:27:30.000 He said U.S. citizens were no longer allowed to travel to North Korea because of a American citizen was a tourist.

01:27:40.000 He got in trouble for, I believe, stealing a propaganda poster from his hotel room.

01:27:45.000 They tortured him and killed him.

01:27:47.000 I don't think the United States has the authority to restrict its citizens from traveling places.

01:27:51.000 If you have a passport in another country, you may travel with that passport.

01:27:57.000 It's a crime on the U.S. side of things.

01:27:59.000 So if you come home, they will arrest you.

01:28:01.000 You just have to get in touch with Dennis Rodman and have him chaperone the trip.

01:28:04.000 Unless you have some special permission from the State Department, then they will allow you to do that for journalism.

01:28:10.000 Oh, yeah, you are totally right.

01:28:11.000 I was very wrong.

01:28:12.000 I've looked into this deeply because I wanted to.

01:28:14.000 Because I want to go.

01:28:15.000 I wanted to go, but yeah, we're banned.

01:28:17.000 And I really hope that it says for journalistic reasons.

01:28:22.000 There you go.

01:28:23.000 Well, yeah, but that introduces a whole lot of new pressures.

01:28:25.000 I just wanted to, you know, see the sites.

01:28:28.000 I think Americans should be avoiding North Korea and Russia and all these places that keep looking for opportunities to either lock up or in the case of Ottawa MBA, who we went to the same university.

01:28:38.000 And that was a huge, I mean, that was so sad.

01:28:41.000 I did not know him, though.

01:28:43.000 But I mean, these places are authoritarian.

01:28:46.000 Like, that is what people talk about, the word fascism.

01:28:48.000 That is absolute fascism.

01:28:51.000 The reason why they put the restriction in place is because it's used as leverage against you.

01:28:58.000 When they arrest an American citizen and they will many, they then go to the U.S. government and say, and now you have to give us stuff.

01:29:04.000 And Trump was like, screw this.

01:29:06.000 I didn't know that, though.

01:29:07.000 However, the guy should not have been trying to steal souvenirs to bring home because he was instructed not to do so.

01:29:16.000 Really?

01:29:17.000 I don't even think we have this on Iran, do we?

01:29:21.000 No.

01:29:22.000 No.

01:29:23.000 I think it's just North Korea.

01:29:25.000 Yeah.

01:29:26.000 But you can also buy it.

01:29:27.000 No, no, no.

01:29:28.000 You can buy an acre in Greece and get a passport in Greece.

01:29:32.000 You can buy passports in other countries and use it that way.

01:29:36.000 But I think it is still a federal crime for an American citizen to do that, to use that loophole.

01:29:43.000 So it has a similar level of restriction, but you can actually personally choose without special visa to go to Iran.

01:29:55.000 How about that?

01:29:55.000 Well, I don't want to anyway.

01:29:56.000 I was going to say, I wouldn't recommend that.

01:29:58.000 I don't know.

01:29:58.000 Why not?

01:30:00.000 Because I don't want to sit on a plane that long to go to a republic.

01:30:03.000 Yeah, what is that?

01:30:04.000 What about Dubai?

01:30:05.000 Dubai might be fun.

01:30:07.000 I would love to go everywhere.

01:30:08.000 Dubai scares me.

01:30:09.000 Does it?

01:30:09.000 You heard about what you're talking about?

01:30:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:30:11.000 Women get raped and then go to prison for it. 1.00

01:30:13.000 Men and women are different. 0.99

01:30:14.000 It's fine for me.

01:30:14.000 You can't go.

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:17.000 This is what I love about wokeness is like there's this 26. 0.99

01:30:21.000 So when I was in Egypt, this 26-year-old Dutch woman took it upon herself as a reporter to go into Tahrir Square and, you know, she got gang raped. 0.51

01:30:29.000 It's like, that's not what I love about it.

01:30:31.000 My point is that wokeness tells these women, you can do anything you want. 0.99

01:30:37.000 And it's like, okay, well, like, men in Egypt will gang rape you.

01:30:39.000 Even as a man, if you travel to Dubai and you so much as get into a fender bender with a citizen there, you are going to get absolutely hacked by their legal system. 0.87

01:30:52.000 Maybe.

01:30:53.000 Because there's only priority given to their citizens.

01:30:55.000 Indeed, but if you're rich and you just pay money and they say you keep it up.

01:31:00.000 Depends how rich you need to be.

01:31:01.000 Exactly.

01:31:02.000 You need to be a billionaire, probably.

01:31:03.000 No, no.

01:31:05.000 Isn't the idea, the wokeism, like men and women can do whatever, like that they're equal in capabilities?

01:31:11.000 Isn't that more about like, you know, denialism about sports and stuff like that?

01:31:15.000 No, no, no.

01:31:16.000 Let me tell you.

01:31:18.000 If that were the case, then they wouldn't say that men can become women and women can become men.

01:31:21.000 There's no difference.

01:31:23.000 When I did hostile environment training for combat zones, they were terrified to explain that women get raped in conflict zones. 0.67

01:31:31.000 Because they were afraid of offending people?

01:31:33.000 Because they'd get sued for sexual discrimination.

01:31:35.000 By telling people in a training that women have certain restrictions, men do not, they'd be sued in two seconds.

01:31:42.000 So the funniest thing ever is someone asked, these are like special forces guys, and someone asked, do women face an increased risk of rape?

01:31:52.000 And the guy started stuttering. 0.98

01:31:53.000 I was like, men get raped. 1.00

01:31:57.000 Men get raped. 1.00

01:31:58.000 They do. 1.00

01:31:58.000 Men have a risk of rape. 1.00

01:32:00.000 But, you know, it's an important thing to understand that anybody could be raped.

01:32:03.000 And I was just like, holy it's because the insurance company is like, listen, you're not legally allowed to say these things to people who are at a work event.

01:32:15.000 I'm like, okay, dude.

01:32:16.000 Breaking the law.

01:32:18.000 They did, however, to be fair, show a scenario where without stating it.

01:32:24.000 So it actually was one of the most fun things I've ever done.

01:32:27.000 I recommend it if they let you do it.

01:32:29.000 Everybody wants to do the cult.

01:32:30.000 It's called heat training, but it's redundant because the T means training.

01:32:33.000 Hostile environment awareness training.

01:32:36.000 It's role-playing.

01:32:37.000 It's like extreme paintball.

01:32:39.000 It's fun.

01:32:40.000 And so while he was afraid to say it, what we did do was we had two vehicles in a convoy, one with the women, one with the men.

01:32:47.000 And then a bunch of guys with guns and balaclavas jumped out pointing the guns at us and then took all the women to a shed where we heard them screaming.

01:32:54.000 And then they didn't state it, but implied what was happening.

01:32:58.000 And that was the training.

01:32:59.000 And the takeaway from it was someone was like, what was the point of that training?

01:33:03.000 And they were like, these things happen.

01:33:04.000 That's it.

01:33:05.000 Like, what do we do in that scenario?

01:33:07.000 And they were like, pray.

01:33:09.000 So it was just to see if you could handle, withstand it emotionally?

01:33:14.000 So it's training.

01:33:19.000 One of the things they did was they made us stand for several hours with bags over our heads up against the wall with weird industrial sounds happening behind us.

01:33:28.000 Oh, I don't like that.

01:33:29.000 Yeah, and they would like jab people.

01:33:31.000 Nobody was really hurt, but it was basically like, if you get kidnapped, this is what it's going to be like.

01:33:37.000 It was fun.

01:33:39.000 They dragged me into a room, sit me down at a metal table with a chair, and then they pulled the bag off my head.

01:33:43.000 And there was a light at like head height sitting down.

01:33:46.000 And all I could see was like the waists below three men yelling at me with accents.

01:33:50.000 That was fun.

01:33:51.000 It was awesome.

01:33:53.000 We have a different definition of conflict.

01:33:55.000 It's plain make-believe.

01:33:56.000 It was like Dungeons and Dragons for conflict reporting.

01:33:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:59.000 I was laughing.

01:34:00.000 I was like, guys, this is silly.

01:34:02.000 And they were like, who do you work for?

01:34:03.000 And I was like, you're the guys training me.

01:34:06.000 Like, is this not going to work?

01:34:08.000 And they were just like, answer the questions.

01:34:09.000 I was like, sure.

01:34:12.000 But it was fun.

01:34:12.000 It was fun.

01:34:13.000 Not just conflict zones, though.

01:34:14.000 I mean, under no circumstances should a Western woman travel to India.

01:34:18.000 Agreed.

01:34:19.000 If you do, you've got to bring a Rapex, which. 1.00

01:34:23.000 Oh, is that that thing with the spikes in it?

01:34:25.000 I actually just went to the number.

01:34:27.000 And it was, it was, I went with a girlfriend and it was, she, it was delightful and I don't think she ever felt, I think, I'm sure there are places where that is definitely true.

01:34:36.000 The Rapex thing is the inverse kind of with spikes in it. 1.00

01:34:39.000 Yes.

01:34:39.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:34:40.000 Yes.

01:34:41.000 What I've read is that the women who do that just get murdered. 1.00

01:34:43.000 Upon the attempt?

01:34:47.000 Like when the guy...

01:34:48.000 Yeah, so for those that aren't familiar, it's like...

01:34:55.000 Nope.

01:34:57.000 Because what happens is, apparently, for those that are not familiar with the device, it's got barbs in it.

01:35:01.000 So when the dude tries to, you know, violate the woman, he enters into this condom, which has spikes on it.

01:35:09.000 You can't pull it off because the barbs go inside you. 0.92

01:35:12.000 And so what I've actually read from this is the men immediately just mercilessly beat the women to death.

01:35:17.000 Wow.

01:35:18.000 You'd think that the pain of the barbs would kind of distract you for a moment, at least.

01:35:23.000 Adrenaline is a crazy thing.

01:35:26.000 Where is this common?

01:35:27.000 I don't know where it's common, but they sell these things.

01:35:30.000 Yeah, they're called rape X's or whatever.

01:35:31.000 know if they ever actually went to market.

01:35:32.000 I think it was just a prototype, but...

01:35:35.000 There are a lot of stories about...

01:35:38.000 I enjoyed India.

01:35:39.000 There was a story about, man, I should probably say this for the uncensored show, but let's just say that there's a lot of stories from India where women resist and get murdered. 0.54

01:35:48.000 And like, the stories are nuts.

01:35:50.000 I don't want them immigrating here either. 1.00

01:35:51.000 I'll say this one for the uncensored because this is not for anyone who's young to hear.

01:35:57.000 Yo, these stories are crazy.

01:35:58.000 So we're going to go to your chat, smash the like button, share the show with literally everyone you know, and join us for the uncensored call-in show at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL at 10 p.m., where we'll talk more about this awful stuff, I guess.

01:36:12.000 But for now, we'll just read what you guys have to say.

01:36:16.000 Things are kind of dark there.

01:36:19.000 Oh, man.

01:36:19.000 Wait till I tell you this story.

01:36:21.000 Shana Wilder says, Tim, last night you mentioned Culture War Live, August 2nd.

01:36:25.000 When will tickets be available and where might a gentleman or lady procured one or more of these tickets?

01:36:29.000 Consider this rant promo for the Culture Warp.

01:36:31.000 Okay, well, we've got, what is it?

01:36:35.000 DC Comedy.

01:36:36.000 Let me pull it up.

01:36:37.000 DC Comedy Loft.

01:36:38.000 We have three dates.

01:36:40.000 I will stress, these are intended to be political shows that are funny.

01:36:45.000 So that's why, of course, Alex Stein and I are the hosts.

01:36:48.000 August 2nd is the confirmed event we have so far.

01:36:52.000 It's Michael Malice and Angry Cop.

01:36:55.000 So pro-cop, anti-cop, anarchist, pro-cop detective, and they're both really, really funny guys.

01:37:02.000 So we know this is going to be a comedy event and we're going to have a lot of fun.

01:37:06.000 That's August 2nd.

01:37:07.000 We have some ideas for who we've got for the 9th and the 26th so far, but we're not entirely sure.

01:37:11.000 But these are all in Washington, D.C. at the comedy loft.

01:37:16.000 Tickets are 30 bucks.

01:37:17.000 There's a two-drink minimum, 18 and up for entry.

01:37:20.000 You'll get a wristband.

01:37:21.000 If you're 21, you can drink.

01:37:22.000 However, if you go to Timcast.com and you are a member, we have 30 reserved seats free for members first come, first serve.

01:37:32.000 And I don't know which ones are available to get right now, but you can go check that out.

01:37:36.000 That does literally mean if you go to Timcast.com and become a member for $10, you can get a ticket.

01:37:42.000 So if you want to buy any one of the available tickets, I think we've got, I think they mentioned this, that there are some premium seats, I guess.

01:37:52.000 And we do have some stuff for our elite members, which we'll get to later.

01:37:54.000 But, you know, there you go.

01:37:57.000 Timcast.com and DCComedyloft.com in the event section somewhere.

01:38:06.000 There it is.

01:38:07.000 Yeah, if you go to event, special event, July 26th to August 9th.

01:38:10.000 And we're probably going to do a bunch of them here because the goal for these shows is for them to be political debates that are fun, funny, and entertaining.

01:38:18.000 So obviously we asked Alex Stein to come and co-host so he can bring the levity.

01:38:23.000 But the funny thing is the first one we did live, he was actually trying to calm everyone else down. 0.60

01:38:28.000 He was like, these guys are crazy.

01:38:31.000 But we were laughing and having a good time.

01:38:34.000 All right, Janet Walter says, I strike my previous rant.

01:38:36.000 Tickets procured.

01:38:37.000 Well, there you go.

01:38:39.000 I do think we have like, there's like 200 seats.

01:38:42.000 I'm not entirely sure.

01:38:42.000 I think it's like 200 seater.

01:38:45.000 But we've got flyers coming out soon.

01:38:47.000 I don't know.

01:38:47.000 Maybe I'm not supposed to announce it.

01:38:48.000 It's at 3 p.m.

01:38:49.000 And the reason it's at 3 p.m.

01:38:51.000 is that we expect to have after events of some sort.

01:38:55.000 So it's going to be a lot of fun.

01:38:56.000 You'll be in DC.

01:38:57.000 It'll be 5 p.m.

01:38:58.000 We'll wrap up.

01:38:58.000 And then we are going to be working with the Timcast Discord server on bringing out the Discord server Talent to actually host the after party and events themselves like Roma Nation, among others.

01:39:10.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 All right.

01:39:13.000 Spicy Porkskin says Phil Labonte is responsible for the USS Liberty.

01:39:20.000 Wait.

01:39:21.000 Fact check?

01:39:22.000 True.

01:39:23.000 What does that mean?

01:39:23.000 Does it mean that am I responsible for the Liberty sinking?

01:39:28.000 Am I one of the guys that was attacking?

01:39:30.000 No, no, no.

01:39:31.000 You're responsible for the creation of it.

01:39:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:39:33.000 See, Phil went back in time.

01:39:35.000 That's the guy that built it.

01:39:37.000 Perfect.

01:39:39.000 Makes sense.

01:39:40.000 All right.

01:39:41.000 Am True just posted a bunch of 20s because we have the 20 in the background.

01:39:45.000 So behind Billy over here, you have that 20.

01:39:47.000 You can see.

01:39:49.000 So on one side, it's a one, on this side, it's a 20.

01:39:51.000 And during the Culture War Live, we give these out.

01:39:53.000 So during the debate, if you agree, you hold up the 20.

01:39:56.000 And if you disagree, you hold up the 1.

01:39:58.000 It's fun.

01:39:59.000 Yep.

01:40:00.000 All right.

01:40:01.000 Bulldog Patriots says you need to make a distinction between illegal and legal immigration.

01:40:05.000 People that want to come here should do so legally, and we welcome them.

01:40:08.000 Thems keep calling it immigration to confuse and mislead.

01:40:12.000 We don't welcome them just carte blanche.

01:40:15.000 Like we should be actually selective about who we allow to emigrate to the United States.

01:40:22.000 It shouldn't just be, oh, you got here and you dropped your bag on the shores.

01:40:28.000 Welcome to the United States.

01:40:29.000 That's unacceptable.

01:40:31.000 We should be extremely selective because in my opinion, we're the best country in the world.

01:40:35.000 We're the place that everyone wants to go to.

01:40:37.000 We have the most opportunity of probably anywhere in the world.

01:40:40.000 Maybe you can make some arguments about some other places.

01:40:41.000 But either way, the people of the United States have the right to say, this is what we expect of people that immigrate here. 1.00

01:40:49.000 And it's ridiculous to assert otherwise.

01:40:54.000 I will also add as an aside, the DC Comedy Off has a full kitchen.

01:40:57.000 I'm just looking at it right now and they got garlic truffle fries.

01:41:00.000 And I'm like, this is going to be awesome.

01:41:01.000 They got chicken wings, Tim.

01:41:02.000 That's going to be great.

01:41:04.000 I should actually have them make me some and I'll put them on the table during the show and be like dipping a barbecue buffalo all over my hands.

01:41:10.000 Bring a big old thing of wet wipes.

01:41:12.000 Sweet chili Brussels sprouts?

01:41:14.000 Dude, I'm excited for this event.

01:41:17.000 Excited for dinner.

01:41:19.000 That's true.

01:41:20.000 All right, let's go.

01:41:21.000 Let's go.

01:41:23.000 GG Willow says, Chad GPD says, no, this doesn't qualify as sedition.

01:41:27.000 Don't care.

01:41:30.000 All right, let's do this.

01:41:32.000 The definition of sedition.

01:41:34.000 Conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

01:41:40.000 So when a guy says that we are going to defy the federal laws of this country and obstruct its law enforcement, I think that qualifies. 1.00

01:41:48.000 I don't think any prosecutor would bring that case. 0.97

01:41:51.000 Yeah, because they're cowards, though. 0.97

01:41:53.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:41:54.000 Incitement or resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.

01:41:58.000 Wow.

01:41:59.000 That's the Merriam-Webster definition of insurrection.

01:42:01.000 That literally qualifies.

01:42:02.000 I think you would have a case maybe if you found him like literally hiding people in his house.

01:42:07.000 But that's – I don't think that's what he – Let's see.

01:42:18.000 Wex law. 0.95

01:42:20.000 Where's the actual?

01:42:21.000 okay, that's not the law.

01:42:22.000 Treason and sedition.

01:42:25.000 Seditious, if two or more persons in any state or territory, in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. conspire to overthrow, put down, or destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years or both.

01:42:48.000 So literally, it is legal sedition.

01:42:52.000 I interpret his comments as, you know, a lot of people, you know, like the idea of a sanctuary city, and people have strong thoughts on sanctuary cities.

01:42:59.000 But a politician Declaring a city a sanctuary city is not a crime.

01:43:03.000 And local governments are not required to enforce federal immigration law.

01:43:07.000 So that's what I'm saying.

01:43:07.000 Like, if you are picturing him showing up to an ISA at a sting or something and like blocking them from entering, or if he's like hiding them in his car, that would be one thing.

01:43:18.000 You want to read that line for me?

01:43:20.000 What does that say?

01:43:23.000 Delay the execution of any law of the United States.

01:43:26.000 I promise you, no prosecute would bring this case.

01:43:28.000 That's not the argument.

01:43:29.000 You said it wasn't sedition.

01:43:30.000 It is sedition, by definition.

01:43:32.000 That's it.

01:43:32.000 It's a fact statement.

01:43:33.000 Is your objection about how likely it is or about the actual application of the law?

01:43:39.000 Or delay the execution of any law.

01:43:41.000 I mean, the Supreme Court has already confirmed that local authorities don't have to execute federal immigration law.

01:43:48.000 I think you're intentionally changing the argument because you've lost it.

01:43:52.000 What am I changing?

01:43:53.000 The argument is that he stated he will stop them from removing our families and protect illegal immigrants in New York City, the implication of which is he will intentionally, through the structures of New York City, delay the execution or stop by force or prevent or oppose the force.

01:44:12.000 Literally, how about this?

01:44:13.000 Here's this line.

01:44:14.000 Read that one.

01:44:17.000 I'm just saying that there's a distinction between two different types of conduct.

01:44:20.000 So I'm saying I agree with you that if he literally uses his body or is hiding immigrants in his house or something, then yes, that would be a crime. 0.95

01:44:28.000 What I'm saying is not a crime is declining to cooperate with ICE when they're doing these things, which a lot of local politicians do and they get criticized for it.

01:44:38.000 But it's not a crime.

01:44:40.000 Okay, so let's try this.

01:44:41.000 If two or more persons in any state or territory or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States cut all the commas out, delay the execution of any law of the United States, we can just say that.

01:44:57.000 And when this dude and his administration does make an attempt to delay at bare minimum the laws of the United States, it's sedition.

01:45:06.000 It's not more than 20 years.

01:45:08.000 So it could be one year.

01:45:09.000 You could be fined.

01:45:11.000 They don't give a number on what you'd be fined.

01:45:13.000 But yeah, that's sedition.

01:45:16.000 This is the issue I take with a lot of people.

01:45:17.000 They always say treason because the penalty for treason is like 10 years in prison or death.

01:45:22.000 And it's like, no, no, no.

01:45:23.000 Sedition is very broad.

01:45:25.000 It just basically means like you're opposing the authority of the U.S. government.

01:45:29.000 It's not like you get the death penalty for sedition.

01:45:31.000 The maximum of government power aren't you, I think of you as someone who is skeptical of government power.

01:45:36.000 What does that mean?

01:45:38.000 Skeptical of government using or weaponizing its powers in ways that are very vague and broad.

01:45:43.000 Is that not something that bothers you?

01:45:45.000 Like, I need something more concrete than he delayed the execution of.

01:45:50.000 What does that even mean?

01:45:51.000 Who cares?

01:45:51.000 It's the law.

01:45:53.000 1956, 1948, 1994.

01:45:57.000 So if you have a problem with the codification of law, then the argument is change the law, I guess.

01:46:02.000 Well, I'm not.

01:46:02.000 But for the time being, when the Democrats tried to imprison Donald Trump's lawyers and claims because his lawyers are criminals, when they raided his home because he had a bunch of old boxes of presidential briefings that they claimed was him stealing confidential information, when they falsely accused him of rape, when they falsely accuse him of fraud, I just wonder why you don't see the red line having already been crossed.

01:46:23.000 Oh, see, but I did cover the New York case.

01:46:25.000 I thought it was atrocious.

01:46:26.000 I thought it was a pure example of overcriminalization. 0.99

01:46:28.000 I thought it was a ridiculous case. 0.91

01:46:33.000 I'm promising you that. 0.89

01:46:34.000 Are we going to sit back and just say the Democrats and their entrenched establishment affiliates, like billionaires, super packs, et cetera?

01:46:44.000 We will do literal nothing with them allowing 10 plus million people to cross the border and falsely levying charges against American citizens, hunting them down across the country, and unconstitutionally targeting the frontrunner for the Republican Party. 0.96

01:46:59.000 Like the things that they did in the past four years were beyond sedition.

01:47:06.000 It is the utmost of extreme degrees of sedition.

01:47:10.000 And nothing so far has been done.

01:47:12.000 Cash has released some information so far.

01:47:14.000 I look forward to seeing what happens.

01:47:15.000 But is the argument that we should just let them do it?

01:47:19.000 Or should we charge them?

01:47:20.000 Let them do what?

01:47:21.000 Like, should anybody go to prison for criminally charging Trump's lawyers under RICO?

01:47:26.000 Should they go to prison for that?

01:47:27.000 I mean, malicious prosecution.

01:47:29.000 It's an important point.

01:47:30.000 Prosecutors overcharge people all of the time.

01:47:33.000 We're not talking about overcharging.

01:47:35.000 We're talking about a political organization trying to win the presidency, arresting Donald Trump's lawyers under trumped-up RICO charges so that they would disperse, they would disassociate from his campaign, hindering his ability to win, and he won the popular vote.

01:47:49.000 I think they should go to prison for that.

01:47:51.000 I don't think there's a criminal law you could prosecute them under, and I'm against lawfare no matter what party, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat.

01:47:58.000 I mean, I don't think we should be bringing ideologically motivated charges, even if their conduct was insane.

01:48:03.000 And I will say, I have written my career about how prosecutors are often corrupt and bring crazy characters.

01:48:10.000 So now that we both agree the Democrats shouldn't have done that, what's the penalty for them having done that?

01:48:15.000 I mean, unfortunately, it's very hard to hold government agents accountable.

01:48:18.000 So you don't care that they did it.

01:48:20.000 You think there's no remedy at all?

01:48:22.000 What's the remedy?

01:48:23.000 I told you that I thought the case in New York was totally bull.

01:48:27.000 What's the remedy?

01:48:28.000 For a prosecutor bringing a bull case, there are a lot of people who've had that happen to them, and there is no remedy.

01:48:33.000 So you think it's bull?

01:48:34.000 So your assessment of situation is, wow, I can't believe they did that evil thing?

01:48:38.000 I've written mine.

01:48:39.000 I wrote a long feature a few years ago about absolute immunity and how it puts prosecutors above the law and how that's a travesty of justice.

01:48:48.000 So what I find fascinating is, ooh, let's talk about Iron Heart.

01:48:52.000 Iron Heart just came out.

01:48:54.000 And actually, I don't think it's that bad.

01:48:57.000 I don't think it's that bad, actually.

01:48:58.000 Let's see you tie this together.

01:48:59.000 Well, okay, so the bad guys in the Iron Heart show.

01:49:01.000 As far as I know, it's the new Disney Marvel show.

01:49:03.000 The bad guys, their ultimate plan for stealing money, you're going to love this.

01:49:09.000 They just point guns at rich people and say, sign a contract that gives me money.

01:49:14.000 So it's not even like at the level of Mr. Robot where they like hack.

01:49:18.000 They do. 1.00

01:49:18.000 It's dumb. 1.00

01:49:19.000 But it seems completely immaterial. 0.99

01:49:21.000 They have like a drag queen do the hacking of the frame. 1.00

01:49:25.000 And then the bad guy can become invisible.

01:49:27.000 And then he appears in front of a woman and he goes, sign this contract that gives me money.

01:49:31.000 And she goes, oh, you got me.

01:49:33.000 And she signs it.

01:49:34.000 As if the stroke of the pen actually like makes something happen.

01:49:38.000 Well, I think you agree with that.

01:49:40.000 You believe that the world is constricted by the strokes of pens, and that the argument is Democrats violated the Constitution, violated the rights of American citizens, tried to steal the presidency, but there's nothing written down by pen that allows us to do anything about it.

01:49:58.000 So we do nothing.

01:49:59.000 I mean, if you're really upset with their behavior, you don't vote them back into office.

01:50:03.000 So the argument is...

01:50:07.000 You would like to see them go to prison?

01:50:10.000 Most of them, yeah.

01:50:10.000 Some of them can get fines.

01:50:12.000 Some of them can get some type of like censure.

01:50:15.000 And what is the criminal charge?

01:50:17.000 Oof, man.

01:50:18.000 I suppose we'd go with sedition.

01:50:20.000 We could argue that the frontrunner for the presidency of a major political party being falsely charged by these individuals was an attempt to overthrow the United States, which it literally says conspire to overthrow.

01:50:34.000 I mean, he was convicted by a jury.

01:50:36.000 I would make, well, if we're talking about the fraud case or the civil case.

01:50:41.000 I'm talking about the case in New York City.

01:50:43.000 So you're talking about civil fraud.

01:50:44.000 Let's talk about the fraud.

01:50:45.000 I'm talking about the case, the 34 felony charges about change, the records case.

01:50:49.000 Yes, okay.

01:50:50.000 So a jury can convict fine, but those charges can't be applied because there were no felonies.

01:50:56.000 They're not felonies.

01:50:56.000 So this was a case.

01:50:58.000 There were felony charges.

01:50:59.000 There has to be an underlying.

01:51:00.000 No, there has to be an underlying crime for those misdemeanors to be raised to the level of felony, and there was no underlying crime.

01:51:07.000 So that is a disagreement about the application of the law.

01:51:10.000 And like I said, I thought that that case was, especially for people who claim to care about, let me just finish.

01:51:15.000 I'll just get this out real quick.

01:51:17.000 People who claim to care about overcriminalization.

01:51:20.000 Alvin Bragg ran as a progressive prosecutor caring about.

01:51:22.000 I mean, there were bookkeeping offenses.

01:51:26.000 But the convictions were still, they were felony counts.

01:51:29.000 No, they were miscommunicated.

01:51:30.000 There has, for those bookkeeping errors or whatever you want to call them, there has to be an underlying crime to raise them to a level of felony.

01:51:39.000 So this is the, The government can't just claim.

01:51:45.000 I'm just talking about what was he actually.

01:51:47.000 And he was convicted of 34 felony accounts on May 30th.

01:51:49.000 So if you agree with that, do you think that they had the right to bring those charges?

01:51:54.000 Do I think they have the right to bring those charges?

01:51:56.000 I mean, prosecutors operate under what's called prosecutorial discretion.

01:52:00.000 Based on the charges, okay, like, bro, you keep trying to obfuscate wishy-wash and avoid the question.

01:52:06.000 It is simple.

01:52:07.000 They brought 34 felony charges against Trump, okay, based on the charges that they levied.

01:52:12.000 Do you think the prosecutor had the right to indict Trump to bring those charges?

01:52:16.000 Yes, I do. 0.99

01:52:17.000 Then I believe, because if we're only talking about who has the willingness to jam their fist off the ass of their opponents, then I can charge anybody the fuck I want with sedition. 0.99

01:52:26.000 Because the law said that in order for those to be felonies, there must be an underlying crime for which the misdemeanor was committed, which there was not. 0.99

01:52:34.000 Never filed once.

01:52:36.000 And it was only in the court when the judge gave instructions to the jury, he said, make up if you want.

01:52:42.000 So technically, under the color of law, the prosecutor had no legal authority whatsoever as the law is written to bring felony charges against Trump.

01:52:49.000 They were misdemeanors.

01:52:50.000 It was a novel reading of the law that I thought was wrong.

01:52:55.000 You are wrong.

01:52:55.000 You are flat out wrong.

01:52:57.000 The laws by which Donald Trump was charged was that he falsified business records.

01:53:02.000 To be a felony, it must be falsification of business records in furtherance of another crime.

01:53:07.000 The government has to convict you of that crime first.

01:53:11.000 They did not.

01:53:12.000 So they brought false felony charges against Trump. 1.00

01:53:15.000 But if that's where we're at as a country, then fuck all. 1.00

01:53:18.000 I don't give a shit. 1.00

01:53:19.000 I'll bring sedition to every motherfucker's doorstep because it doesn't matter. 1.00

01:53:23.000 It's just who's willing to send the guys with the badges to go make the arrests. 0.99

01:53:27.000 And I'm down.

01:53:28.000 So the underlying felony in the case, the records were falsified to cover up a conspiracy to unlawfully influence the 2016 election.

01:53:37.000 But he was never convicted.

01:53:38.000 When he was convinced, he was never convicted of those things, though.

01:53:42.000 So the government can say, you committed a crime, we don't need to prove it, we don't need a jury, and now we're going to upgrade the charges against you.

01:53:48.000 So let me give you an example of how this applies in a different context.

01:53:51.000 Something called felony murder.

01:53:55.000 Are you familiar with felony murder?

01:53:56.000 So you don't actually have to commit murder to be convicted of felony murder.

01:54:00.000 You just have to be convicted of something else.

01:54:03.000 Felony murder typically means that if you're in the act of committing a crime and someone dies, that you are charged under felony murder.

01:54:09.000 Right, so I'm saying you don't have to literally be convicted of murder itself.

01:54:14.000 Now read the judge instructions to the jury.

01:54:17.000 Oh, I think the judge, I disagree.

01:54:19.000 The jury was told to choose whatever underlying crime they thought occurred.

01:54:24.000 And the point is that I don't agree with it.

01:54:27.000 By all means, you don't, but you believe he had a right to bring those charges.

01:54:31.000 And if that is true, then I or anyone else with the legal authority could bring sedition charges and simply tell the jury, you tell me where you think the conspiracy may have happened.

01:54:39.000 We don't care.

01:54:40.000 Say yes and they're connected.

01:54:41.000 I don't think they started it.

01:54:43.000 I think that leads to a dangerous place.

01:54:45.000 I really do.

01:54:45.000 I think they did a bad thing, so I'll do one back.

01:54:48.000 I don't like it.

01:54:49.000 Who said anything bad?

01:54:50.000 Do you think that someone commits a crime, they should be held accountable?

01:54:53.000 If there is an applicable criminal law.

01:54:56.000 So this is the problem I have with your moral worldview.

01:55:00.000 They have clearly done something wrong.

01:55:02.000 It's unquestionable.

01:55:03.000 They arrested.

01:55:04.000 Some people would question it.

01:55:05.000 No, it's unquestionable.

01:55:06.000 And anybody's questioning is lying.

01:55:08.000 Like Jenna Ellis getting charged twice under RICO for simply drafting a legal letter at the behest of a client is not a crime. 0.97

01:55:14.000 I'm talking about a different case now.

01:55:15.000 That's a different case.

01:55:16.000 Indeed.

01:55:16.000 So let's talk about this.

01:55:18.000 They criminally charged Jenna Ellis under RICO, two counts, because Trump requested that she draft a letter to challenge an election.

01:55:25.000 Is that a crime?

01:55:26.000 To be honest, I wasn't as familiar with RICO.

01:55:29.000 The answer is no, it's not.

01:55:31.000 But they argued because the letter was part of Trump's illegal plot to overthrow the election, by simply being a lawyer, filing a letter for a client, you are now party to a conspiracy.

01:55:43.000 So they charge you with two counts of RICO.

01:55:46.000 And we all know how the prosecution works.

01:55:49.000 She pleaded guilty and cried on TV. 0.95

01:55:51.000 And I think it was pathetic after raising hundreds of thousands of dollars. 0.95

01:55:54.000 That is unconstitutional. 0.94

01:55:56.000 You have a right to lawyers in this country.

01:55:58.000 Do you not?

01:55:59.000 Of course you do.

01:55:59.000 So When Trump hired a lawyer and they criminally charged his lawyers in Georgia and Wisconsin, what they were doing is unconstitutional and, I would argue, seditious.

01:56:07.000 An attempt to steal the power of the United States presidency by going after Trump's lawyers, he is constitutionally and legally has a right to have.

01:56:14.000 I'm not super familiar with the Rico case, but I will just keep reiterating that prosecutors make egregious charging decisions all the time.

01:56:20.000 And if there is something that we can agree on, it's that I hope people care about this all the time and not when they're just public figures.

01:56:28.000 A lot of these stories never make it.

01:56:29.000 And this is what I spent a lot of my career covering.

01:56:31.000 A lot of these cases where people are charged with ridiculous crimes or overcharged in an attempt often to make them plead guilty, to scare them into pleading guilty because they say, okay, I can either go to prison for 25 years or I can take the guilty plea for five years.

01:56:46.000 No, I'm innocent of this crime, but I don't want to gamble 20 years of my life away.

01:56:50.000 I mean, these are problems that I really think Republicans, Democrats, everyone can come together and say that that's something I'm comfortable with.

01:56:56.000 What your argument is, we know they do it, but so what?

01:57:03.000 So what?

01:57:04.000 What is writing going to do?

01:57:05.000 I mean, I'm trying to bring awareness to it.

01:57:07.000 But you don't want law enforcement against it.

01:57:08.000 I don't think the only...

01:57:19.000 So if someone murders someone, charging the murderer is retaliatory?

01:57:23.000 No, of course I want to charge murderers with murder.

01:57:25.000 So when someone commits, engages in a conspiracy to try and overthrow the U.S. government, charging them in any way is retaliatory?

01:57:32.000 The problem is a lot of people would disagree with your assistant.

01:57:33.000 I don't care who agrees or disagrees.

01:57:35.000 They did it.

01:57:36.000 Well.

01:57:37.000 Why was Joe Biden not criminally charged on the documents and Trump was?

01:57:41.000 I can actually answer that.

01:57:42.000 I read the report from Robert Hurr, and he said because he didn't think a jury would convict because Biden comes across as a senile old man.

01:57:51.000 And that is a decision.

01:57:52.000 I mean, prosecutors make decisions all the time.

01:57:55.000 And if they look at a case and they say they have enormous discretion, and if they look at a case and say no jury will convict on this, they usually don't bring the case because government resources are scrapped.

01:58:05.000 I'm not.

01:58:06.000 So is there an issue then when we see like, I don't know, Enrique Tario getting 20 years in prison?

01:58:10.000 wrote about that.

01:58:18.000 Well, these are different prosecutors doing different things, but I will, I mean, it's like a lot of prosecutors have this in common, and as for low-level offenses, for medium-lollow offenses.

01:58:25.000 Only one director.

01:58:25.000 Low-level offenses, that's not true.

01:58:27.000 It happens all across the country.

01:58:29.000 Can you name an Antifa individual who got 20 years in prison?

01:58:32.000 There are a bunch of people that are prosecuted in New York, a couple under terrorism charges, actually.

01:58:36.000 Yeah, how many years did the Maltov cocktail lawyers get? 0.96

01:58:38.000 I do not exactly.

01:58:39.000 I cannot tell you the exact prison sentence.

01:58:42.000 He got a slap on the wrist.

01:58:43.000 I wrote about the tarot case because he was offered, I think, a 12-year plea bargain.

01:58:46.000 And then he was punished for going to trial.

01:58:48.000 And no matter what you think about him, that's wrong.

01:58:50.000 And I think everyone should think that's wrong.

01:58:51.000 I don't care which defendant it is, it's wrong.

01:58:54.000 When you look at the Donald Trump, what they did to him and his lawyers, they arrested him, falsely charged him.

01:59:03.000 Is your argument we can't do anything about what has happened?

01:59:06.000 My argument is that they didn't commit a crime by bringing a flimsy— You would not be bringing...

01:59:22.000 Well, I mean, because like I said, I don't think we started it as a good currency past a certain age.

01:59:28.000 So your argument is surrender.

01:59:30.000 It's not surrendering.

01:59:31.000 It's principles.

01:59:32.000 Do you think they're going to stop doing it?

01:59:34.000 Do you think the people who tried to imprison Trump's lawyers have completely stopped their efforts to use any means necessary to stop their political opponents?

01:59:44.000 Do you think they went, dread?

01:59:45.000 We tried arresting him and his lawyers.

01:59:46.000 It didn't work.

01:59:47.000 I guess we'll give up.

01:59:47.000 Or do you think in the next several years, they're going to keep going about those strategies?

01:59:52.000 I mean, I think especially in the Georgia case was, you know, according to legal analysts, the strongest criminal case against Trump specifically.

02:00:02.000 I don't know how strong particularly it was against his attorneys, but no, there is nothing that can be done to prosecute a prosecutor for prosecuting a case that you didn't like.

02:00:12.000 Let's do this.

02:00:12.000 Let's compromise.

02:00:14.000 I say the DOJ should start arresting the lawyers for any Democrat.

02:00:17.000 And it's not retaliatory.

02:00:18.000 It's just precedent, right?

02:00:21.000 It is the way law operates.

02:00:22.000 No, I mean...

02:00:27.000 What's your argument?

02:00:28.000 No, my argument is that lawfare is bad no matter what it is.

02:00:33.000 I don't know what to do about Democrats engaging in law fairly.

02:00:37.000 Vote Alvin Bragg out of office.

02:00:38.000 He's not a pro we're talking about multiple states.

02:00:41.000 We're talking about the New York case, which is the one I'm familiar with and I covered.

02:00:44.000 And you think it was actually conducted?

02:00:48.000 I think there's a big chance he'll lose.

02:00:50.000 Maybe not because of that, but because I don't know that he's a very popular prosecutor overall.

02:00:55.000 Do you know what forum shopping is?

02:00:57.000 I'm not familiar with the term.

02:00:59.000 So when people bring lawsuits or criminal charges, they intentionally choose jurisdictions where they know the jury will favor them politically.

02:01:07.000 Everyone engaging in any lawsuit, the first question asked by your lawyer is going to be a venue.

02:01:12.000 So when we are watching Democrat jurisdictions bring charges against Republican lawyers, should we just sit back as they keep doing it?

02:01:20.000 They're going to keep doing it.

02:01:21.000 They are doing it.

02:01:22.000 What should we do?

02:01:22.000 Nothing?

02:01:23.000 I mean, I think the prosecutions that were about recently against Trump were very specific.

02:01:29.000 And I have not seen, I'm saying it was a specific scenario.

02:01:33.000 Do you see anyone getting prosecuted right now that this applies to?

02:01:36.000 I'm talking about his lawyers because I said we'll agree to go you want to make an argument about Trump?

02:01:42.000 Let's set that aside.

02:01:44.000 When they arrested his lawyers in Wisconsin and Atlanta, Democrats did that.

02:01:49.000 That's just the way the law works.

02:01:50.000 Prosecutors can do it.

02:01:52.000 Why would it be considered retaliation if the DOJ or any other Republican state started bringing charges against Democrat political lawyers?

02:02:00.000 That's just the way the law works.

02:02:01.000 You agree, right?

02:02:02.000 I'm saying I don't like that because I don't like lawfare applied to anyone.

02:02:06.000 Okay, and I'm not going to relinquish that principle just when I might like or dislike someone more.

02:02:10.000 The question you have not answered after 20 minutes of me asking is Democrats are doing it.

02:02:16.000 What is your remedy if they should not?

02:02:20.000 I cannot give you a remedy that will satisfy you.

02:02:22.000 I mean, the stuff I've written about with...

02:02:25.000 Give me anything.

02:02:25.000 I don't care about being satisfied.

02:02:26.000 If prosecutors legitimately violate the Constitution, I think you should be able to sue them.

02:02:30.000 And I've written about that for years.

02:02:32.000 Right now, absolute immunity allows prosecutors to get away with coercing witnesses, knowingly introducing false testimony, hiding evidence that is exculpatory for the defense, which means some evidence that might help them.

02:02:48.000 The Supreme Court has said that you cannot bring any sort of civil suit against them when that happens.

02:02:54.000 And I think that's egregious because if someone who has the most, the prosecutor is arguably the most powerful politician.

02:02:59.000 Let's slow down.

02:03:00.000 We're going to go to the uncensored show, which real quick, so is to clarify, with the prosecutors who are in protected liberal jurisdictions intentionally where they won't be voted out, who arrested Trump's lawyers, the remedy would be for someone who has standing to sue those prosecutors and seek remedy through a superior court.

02:03:21.000 This is my position.

02:03:23.000 If someone breaks the law, they should be arrested and held accountable.

02:03:26.000 If someone violates the Constitution, you should be able to sue them.

02:03:28.000 That's my position.

02:03:29.000 You said prosecutors are allowed to do this.

02:03:30.000 It's not unconstitutional.

02:03:31.000 No, I'm saying absolute immunity protects them when they do violate the Constitution.

02:03:35.000 They have absolute immunity.

02:03:37.000 Is it violating the Constitution to accuse Trump's lawyers of a crime?

02:03:40.000 No.

02:03:40.000 Okay.

02:03:40.000 Is it violating the law in any way to indict Trump's lawyers or Republican lawyers?

02:03:44.000 Does it violate the law to indict someone?

02:03:46.000 It does not violate the law to indict someone.

02:03:48.000 Should Democrat prosecutors be targeting Republican politician lawyers?

02:03:52.000 No.

02:03:52.000 I don't think they're in the case of the law.

02:03:55.000 What is the remedy to stop someone from doing something they should not be doing if it doesn't violate the law and it doesn't violate the Constitution?

02:04:02.000 You're welcome to arrest someone if they've actually broken the law.

02:04:05.000 I'll just ask you what the remedy is.

02:04:06.000 I'd ask you to arrest them.

02:04:07.000 I'm telling you the remedy for breaking the law is being arrested and violating the Constitution.

02:04:11.000 I think you should be able to sue them.

02:04:12.000 That's my answer.

02:04:13.000 So I asked you.

02:04:14.000 I've answered it several times.

02:04:16.000 You just don't like my answer.

02:04:17.000 No, you didn't answer.

02:04:18.000 I'm trying to ask you again.

02:04:21.000 It is not illegal to charge Trump's lawyers, correct?

02:04:24.000 If they committed a crime, it is not illegal to charge them.

02:04:27.000 Okay, so let's pause.

02:04:28.000 I am no longer, and this is not about whether a prosecutor broke the law.

02:04:32.000 So set that aside because that's what you were answering, and we're not talking about that.

02:04:35.000 Is it unconstitutional for a prosecutor to charge a politician's lawyer?

02:04:41.000 No.

02:04:42.000 So we were no longer in the realm of unconstitutional or illegal.

02:04:45.000 Just plain immoral, yes?

02:04:48.000 Yes.

02:04:48.000 Okay.

02:04:49.000 What is the remedy for when prosecutors in liberal jurisdictions are committing immoral actions against their political opponents' lawyers?

02:04:58.000 Unfortunately, a lot of government employees act immorally and there isn't a lot you can do.

02:05:02.000 So there is no remedy.

02:05:04.000 We're going to keep coming back to this.

02:05:06.000 If someone didn't violate the Constitution and didn't violate the law, unfortunately for the little guy, there isn't that much you can do.

02:05:12.000 So my argument would be, if this is not illegal, it is not unconstitutional, and it is only questionably immoral to some people, then you should have absolutely no problem with me arresting their lawyers.

02:05:23.000 Do you think it's immoral?

02:05:24.000 I think it should be completely illegal.

02:05:26.000 I would argue it's conspiracy to overthrow the government.

02:05:28.000 Do you think it's immoral?

02:05:29.000 I think it's immoral, illegal, and unconstitutional.

02:05:31.000 And you shouldn't be doing it too.

02:05:33.000 I think that when we are targeting someone who broke the law, we are not retaliating.

02:05:39.000 We are upholding justice.

02:05:40.000 Well, that's the question that we're talking here is we've already established they didn't break the law.

02:05:43.000 Agreed.

02:05:44.000 And if they're not doing anything functionally wrong through government, why do you have a problem with me arresting them?

02:05:51.000 Because I think principles don't mean anything if you don't apply them consistently.

02:05:54.000 It is consistent.

02:05:55.000 You guys are targeting your political opponents.

02:05:58.000 I'm not one of them.

02:05:58.000 I'm not saying you.

02:05:59.000 I'm saying to these people, they are targeting their political opponents.

02:06:03.000 And I say, okay, they should be arrested.

02:06:05.000 That's a crime.

02:06:07.000 I interpret what they do as a crime the same way they interpret what Jenna L says as a crime.

02:06:11.000 Nothing's illegal, immoral, or unconstitutional.

02:06:13.000 So we charge them.

02:06:14.000 I mean, the crime.

02:06:15.000 You are trying so hard to defend what they did.

02:06:18.000 It's insane.

02:06:19.000 No, I'm defending.

02:06:20.000 Just say this.

02:06:20.000 Democrats and Republicans are allowed to arrest each other's lawyers.

02:06:23.000 That's your standard.

02:06:24.000 That's fine.

02:06:24.000 I don't understand why your standard is Democrats can arrest Republicans.

02:06:28.000 Republicans can't arrest Democrats.

02:06:30.000 That's not my belief.

02:06:31.000 Okay, then they're allowed to arrest each other.

02:06:32.000 Yes?

02:06:33.000 If they broke the law.

02:06:34.000 Yes, and they can interpret as they see fit if the law was broken.

02:06:36.000 The law is not a magical social construct.

02:06:39.000 If one of them broke the law, you can bring them in front of a grand jury and see if they'll indict them.

02:06:44.000 Agreed.

02:06:45.000 So I don't know why you keep arguing against Republicans charging them for doing it.

02:06:50.000 They're allowed to.

02:06:50.000 It's not immoral.

02:06:51.000 It's not unconstitutional.

02:06:52.000 It's not illegal.

02:06:52.000 We just established that it is immoral for our own.

02:06:54.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:06:56.000 It's immoral to unjustly trump up charges against someone.

02:07:00.000 It is not immoral to criminally charge someone for what you interpret to be a crime.

02:07:05.000 So if what they did to them, they interpret as legal, I can interpret my actions against them all the same because they're being charged for a crime.

02:07:14.000 You would need to speak to a prosecutor because they're the people who actually understand the confines of the criminal statutes.

02:07:20.000 But, I mean, it would have to fit into a criminal statute.

02:07:23.000 And I agree with you that if they violated one, you can arrest someone for breaking the law.

02:07:27.000 I support these people accountable.

02:07:28.000 The issue that I take is that the whole conversation, your position is Democrats did it, and it's too bad they did, and Republicans can't do anything about it.

02:07:37.000 I told you I'm not familiar enough with the Rico case.

02:07:40.000 A lot of people, a lot of analysts.

02:07:41.000 Talking about everything that happened.

02:07:42.000 Including the case specifically.

02:07:44.000 Well, you keep talking about the Rico case.

02:07:46.000 You're talking about his lawyers.

02:07:47.000 A lot of people, including conservative legal analysts, have said that the Florida and Georgia cases were the strongest against him specifically.

02:07:54.000 I agree.

02:07:55.000 Totally plausible to me that his lawyers were either unfairly charged or overcharged so that they would take a plea and turn on him. 0.81

02:08:04.000 When it comes to arresting someone for like bringing the New York case, that in my opinion was total crap and they had to contort the law to bring the case, I think that's wrong.

02:08:18.000 But it is not a violation of the law for a prosecutor to make a really bad charging decision.

02:08:24.000 They do that all the time.

02:08:25.000 So I don't understand why you're saying we can't charge Bragg.

02:08:29.000 Because I disagree no matter who it's being done to.

02:08:31.000 I disagree when a crazy case is brought against Trump in New York.

02:08:35.000 And I disagree.

02:08:36.000 So they keep doing it, and we can't do anything about it.

02:08:39.000 I mean, someone should take the high road, I think. 0.98

02:08:42.000 So you'll stand there and get beaten to death. 0.68

02:08:45.000 You'll end up in prison. 0.99

02:08:47.000 Your friends and family will be in jail.

02:08:48.000 And you say, but I took the high road the whole time.

02:08:50.000 Did Trump go to prison?

02:08:52.000 He got arrested.

02:08:54.000 He ended up winning.

02:08:55.000 Actually, they only suspended the case because the case is still waiting for judgment.

02:08:59.000 Right.

02:08:59.000 But what I'm saying is I am not yet confident that we are at a place where people are just like Republicans are being thrown in prison or Democrats are being thrown in prison right and left.

02:09:09.000 You know, if we want to talk about like the January 6th thing, do I think there were some overcharging decisions?

02:09:13.000 Some.

02:09:15.000 I think there were some overcharging decisions, yes.

02:09:17.000 And even after the Supreme Court said you can't use the obstruction charge, they refused to let people go.

02:09:22.000 Additionally, I agree with that decision, by the way.

02:09:25.000 One of the opinions was written by Jackson.

02:09:26.000 And there were numerous individuals who were denied access to evidence.

02:09:30.000 So the government was under the Biden DOJ withholding evidence that was exculpatory.

02:09:35.000 These are all evil.

02:09:36.000 These are all evil deeds.

02:09:37.000 I don't disagree with you that prosecutors often act very, in very evil and unsavory ways. 0.84

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02:12:00.000 Thank you.

02:12:30.000 So here's an interesting secret.

02:12:32.000 It's not really a secret.

02:12:33.000 Most people don't know this about YouTube.

02:12:34.000 YouTube is not profitable.

02:12:35.000 It is operating in the red and it has forever.

02:12:38.000 Google pumps money into it like crazy to create the dominant video platform.

02:12:44.000 But if there was ever an antitrust suit against Google and YouTube, YouTube would cease to exist in two seconds.

02:12:50.000 Something doesn't make sense about how YouTube operates.

02:12:53.000 So for instance, we were doing live streams on Timcast.com for a while.

02:12:57.000 We're now, of course, on Rumble.

02:12:58.000 And we had to pay.

02:13:00.000 We first used Vimeo, and we had to pay for the bandwidth for everybody who watched our Vimeo videos.

02:13:06.000 And then Vimeo canceled our account overnight abruptly.

02:13:09.000 And they said, you have generated so much traffic that we owed like 50 grand or something in a week, like some insane number.

02:13:16.000 And they were like, this is not part of your plan?

02:13:19.000 Because what we had was, we had a pro plan that was like three grand a month for up for, you know, professional, you know, video access, blah, blah, blah.

02:13:26.000 And then once we started getting like 10,000 views per video, just 10,000.

02:13:30.000 It's members only, right?

02:13:30.000 It's not YouTube.

02:13:32.000 They said, understand, you uploaded a 30-minute long video at 1080p.

02:13:41.000 So you're going to be hitting something like two megabits per second with 10,000 people watching for 20 minutes do the math.

02:13:50.000 And that's how much it costs us to run your small videos. 0.90

02:13:53.000 And we were like, holy shit, how do we do this?

02:13:56.000 So we actually ended up doing a deal with Rumble, and we paid Rumble a percentage based on Rumble Cloud based on hosting our videos. 0.76

02:14:06.000 And it's ridiculously expensive.

02:14:08.000 Part of the deal that we have with Rumble now is we are just on Rumble's front-facing members-only platform.

02:14:15.000 So it's just a part of their business model.

02:14:18.000 Something doesn't make sense with YouTube, the way they prop up certain channels, the idea that Mr. Beast gets 500 million views, he gets more views on the video he puts up than the population of the United States of America.

02:14:34.000 It seems weird.

02:14:35.000 And so what I think's happened is people have asked me about Rumble's, their views.

02:14:41.000 Rumble was investigated by the SEC and cleared.

02:14:44.000 Their views were all found to be legitimate, normal views.

02:14:47.000 They use Google Analytics, which is used by the majority of websites that track traffic.

02:14:53.000 We use it for Timcast.com.

02:14:55.000 The outlier is actually YouTube, not Rumble.

02:14:58.000 So people are like, how come there's like, it's, so let me explain this.

02:15:03.000 There's something called the 1% Rogue Infant that is. 0.55

02:15:05.000 No.

02:15:06.000 1% of all internet users make all the comments, all the content, all the chats, all the donations.

02:15:12.000 So theoretically, if you've got 40,000 live viewers like we do now, there should be 400 people in our chat.

02:15:21.000 But on YouTube, for some reason, we have thousands upon thousands of chats flying.

02:15:27.000 Many of the messages are just copy-pasted.

02:15:29.000 We have to moderate it out.

02:15:31.000 Like bot kind of activity?

02:15:34.000 well, you could call it bots.

02:15:36.000 What I think is when we were investigating all this, and I'm looking at Kik, I'm looking at Twitch and these other platforms and Instagram.

02:15:43.000 Look at X. How many concurrent views do you get on X with millions of followers?

02:15:47.000 It's following the 1% rule. 0.67

02:15:49.000 Instagram, 1% rule.

02:15:50.000 Rumble, 1% rule.

02:15:52.000 YouTube, the outlier.

02:15:54.000 Following the 79%.

02:15:56.000 YouTube's way bigger.

02:15:58.000 Like 15 to 20% of the people engaging in the contents are actively producing, replying, engaging.

02:16:08.000 That defies all the metrics across all the platforms.

02:16:11.000 So I don't know.

02:16:12.000 But you're not saying they're bots.

02:16:13.000 I don't know.

02:16:14.000 I'm just saying people look at Rumble and they're like, so the Green Room podcast, we get between 20 and sometimes 100,000 outliers, 1,000 views.

02:16:25.000 But the comments, there's like 10 to 15.

02:16:27.000 And the question is, how does that make sense?

02:16:29.000 Rumble puts it on the front page.

02:16:31.000 And as a website, people go on the front page, they click it.

02:16:35.000 You're probably not getting as high of engagement.

02:16:37.000 The bounce rate might be higher than average.

02:16:39.000 And the same thing is true for the morning Teamcast Morning Show Teamcast IRL.

02:16:43.000 But this is the same thing as what Twitch and Kik does when, or YouTube does this too.

02:16:48.000 Like Pat McAfee is featured on the front page of the live platform.

02:16:52.000 My whole point before I'm going to talk about the India story and then we'll go to callers is that people have become used to what YouTube is providing because they were the first and seemingly the most successful.

02:17:03.000 When new platforms start emerging, like Spotify, for instance, whose stock is trading at 750, yo, Timcast IRL does like 30,000 downloads on Spotify.

02:17:13.000 And we're a top podcast.

02:17:15.000 Something on YouTube does not make sense because when we map out all the other platforms, Apple, Spotify, Rumble, Twitch, Kik, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube is the one in the weird place for all of the companies we've looked at.

02:17:28.000 It's always YouTube standing out from every other platform.

02:17:32.000 And we're just thinking like, how does that make sense?

02:17:35.000 Final thoughts on this.

02:17:36.000 If Google stopped putting money into YouTube, YouTube would go out of business overnight.

02:17:40.000 Yeah.

02:17:41.000 It's been like that for a while, hasn't it?

02:17:42.000 Yep.

02:17:42.000 Always.

02:17:43.000 Always been the case.

02:17:44.000 There's an antitrust argument that YouTube should not exist and it's unfair competition.

02:17:49.000 They've combined ad agencies with ad delivery, with like so an ad agency for sellers, an ad agency for buyers, advertising distribution for networks, as well as memory storage.

02:18:06.000 They've combined all of these things into one space.

02:18:09.000 And then Google, through how they're making all this money, keeps putting money every year into it to keep it alive, even though it doesn't make sense and shouldn't exist.

02:18:18.000 The amount of views that we get based on our total concurrent viewership, we should be costing YouTube millions of dollars per year.

02:18:27.000 And we probably are.

02:18:29.000 Something doesn't make sense.

02:18:30.000 So I don't know.

02:18:31.000 I've basically given up and just resigned myself to no one really knows for sure.

02:18:36.000 So it is what it is.

02:18:37.000 Now, anyway, to India, uncensored. 0.99

02:18:42.000 Yo, you want to hear a fucked up story? 0.99

02:18:44.000 Go. 1.00

02:18:44.000 There was a woman who was getting gang raped on a bus and she fought back. 1.00

02:18:49.000 And so the men pinned her down and forcefully entered her orifices and pulled her organs out. 1.00

02:18:57.000 Did you witness this?

02:18:58.000 No, no, no.

02:18:59.000 It was a viral story.

02:19:00.000 When was that?

02:19:01.000 And then the men got lynched and beaten to death later on.

02:19:03.000 At least it's got a happy ending.

02:19:04.000 Several years ago. 1.00

02:19:05.000 So apparently, like, they broke off a bar in the bus and used that to pry open the woman's ass and then reached in and started just shredding her insides and pulling her guts out of her ass. 1.00

02:19:15.000 You know what Tana was in? 1.00

02:19:17.000 No.

02:19:18.000 I don't know.

02:19:18.000 Maybe.

02:19:19.000 Yeah, I'm a xenophobe.

02:19:21.000 Yeah, anyway, let's bring in Joey Cannoli.

02:19:24.000 Hey, what's going on, huh?

02:19:25.000 Joey Cannoli.

02:19:26.000 Hey, Joey Cannoli, what you doing, huh?

02:19:28.000 Hey, what's up, man?

02:19:30.000 It's Joey Cannoli here.

02:19:31.000 Hey.

02:19:31.000 How you doing?

02:19:32.000 Come on.

02:19:34.000 I've been thinking about this Democratic primary for mayor in New York.

02:19:39.000 So being that I live in New York and I see all the local commercials, I had noticed that a lot of the local commercials, I'd say 85% of them, were anti-Zonar.

02:19:50.000 I don't know if I say his name right.

02:19:51.000 That's bad since he's running for mayor of my city.

02:19:54.000 But I noticed a lot of the ads were anti-him.

02:19:57.000 And considering the left tore down Andrew Cuomo themselves when they wanted to get him out of there, I was just, this made me think of this question.

02:20:08.000 So you have brought up leaving cities, and I agree that there's a line, but I've also noticed that conservatives and people on the right in general tend to retreat.

02:20:16.000 They retreat from sports, Hollywood, the arts, and other things embedded in culture.

02:20:22.000 As they retreat, the left then monopolizes it and capitalizes on it and uses it to push the culture in the way that they want.

02:20:29.000 I see this happening with the New York mayoral election.

02:20:32.000 There is such an opportunity for the Republicans to put some sort of resources in this race and sneak in through the back door and win a split vote.

02:20:39.000 Since you could have Eric Adams going against the Democratic nominee whose name I keep butchering.

02:20:45.000 So I believe there's such an opportunity to come in through the back door.

02:20:48.000 You'll need a such smaller percentage than you normally would.

02:20:52.000 With that said, do you think the conservatives should continue to retreat out of big cities and let the Democrats take over?

02:20:57.000 Or should the conservatives stay and try to fight to fix major cities?

02:21:01.000 I think they should retreat.

02:21:02.000 Is it just a lost cause?

02:21:03.000 It's not a lost cause.

02:21:04.000 I think they should retreat for several reasons.

02:21:06.000 First, you are correct that they retreat too often.

02:21:09.000 However, in this regard, sometimes you do need to retreat to regroup your forces in this figurative sense.

02:21:15.000 If conservatives move to areas where they can actually concentrate their political power, you will get moderate default libs leaving these cities as well.

02:21:24.000 And they're going to move into areas where they might potentially dilute Republican votes.

02:21:29.000 But if Republicans go first, they're less likely to because now for every one Republican, one Democrat comes in, the mix will stay largely the same.

02:21:37.000 And that will actually take power from the cities. 0.99

02:21:39.000 Cities, and currently, with places like New York, if Donald Trump can enact his mass deportation, you will strip away the Democrats' illegal Electoral College vote and congressional seats, severely reducing their power back to where it's supposed to be.

02:21:55.000 And then we would have a Republican supermajority for the next 40 Years until Democrats either collapse, which they probably will very soon because they're the oldest political party in the world, or they will restructure themselves as a more moderate, right-leaning party.

02:22:11.000 But won't they just count illegals and dead people anyway to make up the difference?

02:22:17.000 Right.

02:22:18.000 So, this is what they do already.

02:22:19.000 So, illegal immigrants in California give them upwards of 10 extra congressional seats.

02:22:23.000 I think the lower estimates are like between three to five.

02:22:26.000 If Trump goes in and deports them all, they're going to lose in the next census.

02:22:31.000 The estimate right now is if Trump were to deport all illegal immigrants, it would be a 25-seat swing in favor of the Republicans in Congress and the Electoral College, making it impossible for Democrats to win unless they turn their party into like moderate Republicans. 0.98

02:22:49.000 So, so long as Trump can carry out his agenda and actually get that done, we don't got shit to worry about.

02:22:54.000 I'm asking, I'm genuinely curious, where do you get that data that it would swing that far towards Republicans? 0.86

02:23:01.000 Heritage Foundation, Center for Immigration Studies are two examples.

02:23:05.000 So, New York, California, Oregon, Washington, these sanctuary states.

02:23:09.000 California has an estimated on the low end, like it could be three congressional seats because congressional apportionment includes illegal immigrants. 0.64

02:23:17.000 That's why they're a sanctuary state.

02:23:19.000 So, they got 52 congressional seats.

02:23:21.000 Some say upwards of 10 based on how many illegal immigrants they think they have, which is like, you're saying they have 7 million, 8 million illegal immigrants in California.

02:23:29.000 That seems like a high number.

02:23:30.000 So it could be five.

02:23:32.000 But the high-end estimate nationally is that if all illegal immigrants were deported, that would take, that would reapportion about 12 seats from blue states to red states, creating a projected 25, 24 seat swing in Republicans' favor.

02:23:48.000 Interesting.

02:23:49.000 Yep.

02:23:50.000 I do wonder if we can get Scott Pressler and Charlie Kirk maybe to put some resources because I don't have faith in the GOP doing any of that.

02:23:57.000 But Scott Pressler, I feel like there's an opportunity here.

02:24:02.000 Like, you know, damn well, if this was Republicans having a split vote with the one running as an independent and somebody else running as a Republican, the Democrats would pump hella resources in there to try to win.

02:24:12.000 They did it with Biden.

02:24:13.000 All the moderates dropped out and endorsed Biden.

02:24:17.000 Cernovich made a good point.

02:24:18.000 So I'm rethinking my opinion from last night where I said, let maybe have their bottle.

02:24:21.000 Cernovich said, as we know, it can always get worse, infinitely worse.

02:24:25.000 So you must never cede ground no matter what.

02:24:28.000 And so, okay.

02:24:30.000 You know, I'll take it.

02:24:32.000 I mean, we had Giuliani just like 25 years ago.

02:24:35.000 So it's not like it's impossible for a Republican to win New York.

02:24:38.000 But look what it took to get Giuliani.

02:24:41.000 The 70s and the, and, you know, some of the 80s, the murder rate in New York was through the roof.

02:24:47.000 Like the entire Times Square was just a den of iniquities and stuff.

02:24:53.000 It was a horrible place.

02:24:54.000 Well, but to the, to what we were talking about earlier, there is a chance, I think, that if this guy is elected and it's a disaster, that people reevaluate just like they're doing in Chicago.

02:25:04.000 Brandon Johnson's, you mentioned this, his approval ratings are like shockingly bad.

02:25:09.000 He'll win re-election if he runs.

02:25:10.000 You really think so?

02:25:11.000 I mean, Chessa Bougine was ousted in San Francisco, the prosecutor. 0.98

02:25:15.000 I do think London breed as well.

02:25:17.000 Did you look at the racial?

02:25:19.000 I'll just put it this way.

02:25:20.000 When Brandon Johnson won, I took two maps, the vote, the electoral map, and neighborhoods by race, one for one.

02:25:31.000 In the black neighborhoods of Chicago, I didn't even recognize the names.

02:25:35.000 Brandon Johnson was like second or third, and the woman, whatever her name was.

02:25:41.000 Lori Lightfoot.

02:25:41.000 Lori Lightfoot, there you go.

02:25:42.000 Was actually in the front running often times.

02:25:45.000 But there were names I never heard of.

02:25:46.000 I'm like, how is the third place guy who got 50,000 votes in this neighborhood, a guy no one's ever heard of?

02:25:52.000 He was black.

02:25:54.000 In the Latino neighborhood, they voted for the Latino guy. 0.98

02:25:56.000 In the white neighborhoods, they voted for the white guy.

02:25:58.000 There was only one neighborhood that deviated and voted for Johnson despite being white.

02:26:02.000 And do you know what that neighborhood was?

02:26:04.000 I don't.

02:26:05.000 You probably don't know the Chicago neighborhoods, but guess what was unique about this one neighborhood?

02:26:11.000 That it was white.

02:26:13.000 That's technically correct, but there's another really easy answer.

02:26:17.000 You didn't vote for the white guy. 0.95

02:26:18.000 It was a white neighborhood that voted for the black guy. 0.95

02:26:22.000 Oh, I already made the assumption.

02:26:23.000 That's why I said they were wealthy.

02:26:24.000 They are, but that's only ancillary.

02:26:27.000 There's actually a really obvious indicator. 0.98

02:26:32.000 Everybody's racist except for white people. 0.94

02:26:34.000 It was Loyal University. 0.86

02:26:37.000 It was where the university was. 0.98

02:26:39.000 The white young university students voted for the black guy. 0.85

02:26:43.000 It was the only racial deviation. 0.60

02:26:45.000 So when I say Johnson could still win, it depends on who's running.

02:26:49.000 But if you run a white guy, if the race comes down to a frontrunner white guy and Brandon Johnson is a black guy, every black neighborhood votes Johnson.

02:26:59.000 Doesn't matter.

02:27:01.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm glad they ousted Lori Lightfoot.

02:27:04.000 I just hope maybe one day they'll learn that lesson.

02:27:06.000 Like London Reed lost in San Francisco.

02:27:09.000 That gives me hope.

02:27:10.000 You know, there was such a backlash in San Francisco to the excesses of progressivism.

02:27:16.000 If you think people need to learn the lesson of Egypt, which they won't, and that is the reason the Muslim Brotherhood won twice after the revolution, the first revolution they won, second revolution they won, is because you have all of these different ideological groups. 0.90

02:27:31.000 And in a first-past-the-post voting system, the Muslim Brotherhood being the largest demographic with around 19%, every time you have an election, they have more votes than everybody, despite being an extreme minority.

02:27:43.000 The end result of that is, this is fascinating.

02:27:46.000 You get a revolution because everybody agrees. 0.99

02:27:48.000 Mubarak sucks. 0.99

02:27:49.000 Then they say, let's vote. 0.99

02:27:51.000 You end up with seven secular political parties all with, we think it should be free market.

02:27:55.000 We think it should be socialist.

02:27:56.000 We think it should be a mix of the both.

02:27:57.000 Muslim Brotherhood says, who cares? 1.00

02:27:59.000 Vote Muslim. 1.00

02:28:00.000 It literally doesn't matter.

02:28:01.000 We're Muslim.

02:28:02.000 So the Muslims said, we'll vote Muslim. 0.91

02:28:05.000 They got 90% of the vote, more than any other party.

02:28:08.000 Morsi wins.

02:28:09.000 I think it was Morsi. 1.00

02:28:12.000 So another revolution happens a year later, because once again, 81% of the country said, fuck this. 1.00

02:28:18.000 We don't like this guy. 0.99

02:28:20.000 Revolution.

02:28:21.000 So they say, we're going to have another election.

02:28:22.000 Guess what?

02:28:23.000 Muslims win. 1.00

02:28:24.000 So the military figured it out.

02:28:25.000 And you know what they did?

02:28:27.000 Any guesses? 1.00

02:28:30.000 They just decided to start shooting and murdering as many Muslims as they could. 1.00

02:28:35.000 Sick. 1.00

02:28:35.000 So they went to Nasser City with machine guns and started mowing down the Muslims who won the election because they were like, you motherfuckers keep winning, and nobody wants you to, but you're the biggest political party. 1.00

02:28:47.000 So they started just spraying them down. 0.99

02:28:50.000 And then the military took over and said, we're in charge now because this isn't working.

02:28:54.000 Same thing's going to happen in the United States to us.

02:28:56.000 And I don't mean like mowing down people with guns, but Brandon Johnson will keep winning. 0.98

02:29:01.000 He will keep winning because the black community will only ever vote for a black guy. 0.99

02:29:06.000 And then you're going to end up with the woke only ever voting for woke guys.

02:29:10.000 And the white suburban areas will start fleeing, which is going to result in it lopsiding and favoring Brandon Johnson again.

02:29:17.000 The people who give him a bad rating are going to leave.

02:29:19.000 Johnson's going to come in and say, I never did anything wrong.

02:29:23.000 It was the white supremacists who fled the city who were causing the problems.

02:29:27.000 And now that they're gone, vote for me and we can have a real revolution.

02:29:30.000 I will.

02:29:31.000 I mean, we did talk about this earlier, but the black and brown people in New York City went for Andrew Cuomo.

02:29:36.000 So I do think it's possible.

02:29:37.000 And if it is true in Chicago that they won't deviate, I don't know the data, but if it is true in Chicago that they will not, that the majority of the black community is not going to vote for a new one with a black person, then there can be a black candidate who is not hated by everyone in the city.

02:29:53.000 So my point is, if the race was Brandon Johnson versus a white guy, Johnson will win re-election even with 1%.

02:30:02.000 Where is the...

02:30:10.000 What are you looking for?

02:30:11.000 They have a demographic map.

02:30:14.000 Make down of New York showing the different races and how they voted.

02:30:18.000 I just saw that earlier, didn't you?

02:30:19.000 I know.

02:30:21.000 Here we go.

02:30:23.000 White residents voted for Zoran by five points.

02:30:28.000 Let's see.

02:30:29.000 Hispanic voted for Zoran by seven points.

02:30:33.000 Black voted for Cuomo.

02:30:34.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:30:35.000 By 17.

02:30:37.000 Wow.

02:30:38.000 Yep.

02:30:38.000 Asians voted for Zoran.

02:30:40.000 Yep.

02:30:42.000 So it's interesting.

02:30:43.000 His victory was.

02:30:44.000 Was there a black candidate?

02:30:45.000 There were many, actually, yeah.

02:30:46.000 Adrian Adams.

02:30:48.000 Yeah.

02:30:49.000 Yeah, Chicago is very different.

02:30:50.000 Chicago, everything's race. 0.98

02:30:52.000 Yeah, Adrian Adams.

02:30:54.000 I can't believe he's going to be able to do it.

02:30:56.000 I do wonder that even if you, like, a majority of conservatives and Republicans leave these states, there has to be some sort of noted effort on the ground to at least try to throw it out there for people because it really doesn't feel like there's much.

02:31:11.000 I mean, we have the New York Young Republicans, but every time I see any type of like videos of them doing something, they're always at like these fancir dinner parties.

02:31:18.000 And that really doesn't, nobody relates to that.

02:31:21.000 Yo, how did Paperboy Prince lose?

02:31:25.000 Policies, housing for all, $2,000 a month universal basic income, spreading love, healthcare for all, love centers, a safer New York, futuristic schools, and homeless jobs guarantee.

02:31:42.000 Picking up the garbage.

02:31:43.000 Man. 1.00

02:31:44.000 Probably the clown. 0.94

02:31:45.000 You get him, paper boys. 0.98

02:31:46.000 Probably the clown Matt. 0.66

02:31:49.000 Well, Mr. Canoli, did you want to shout anything out? 0.79

02:31:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:52.000 Let me quickly shout out my dad, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

02:31:55.000 Love when he's on.

02:31:56.000 Come on, Nightcap Later tonight, Raymond.

02:31:58.000 And my boss, my son, my young Padawan, Title Today News.

02:32:01.000 He is the fastest rising star and second only to me in being entertaining and non-scripted.

02:32:05.000 You can find me on our World Live, Nightcap Later, playing some video games tomorrow at 3 p.m.

02:32:09.000 Eastern Standard Time.

02:32:10.000 Thank you.

02:32:10.000 Right on.

02:32:12.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:32:14.000 And real quick, I pulled up the 1% rule.

02:32:16.000 Check this out.

02:32:17.000 The 1% rule, 1% of interneters create content, 99 are lurkers.

02:32:21.000 Yep.

02:32:22.000 And they actually call, they have an additionally the 90-9090-99-1.

02:32:29.000 What this actually refers to is 1% of people will build a platform, start a news website.

02:32:36.000 9% of people will contribute to that news site, write articles and make videos.

02:32:40.000 90% will just lurk and do nothing.

02:32:43.000 So something is weird about YouTube.

02:32:46.000 Well, the people who believe debt internet theory think that the rule can actually be described as a 0.1% or 0.01% rule.

02:32:55.000 I agree.

02:32:56.000 And that the rest are bots.

02:32:58.000 Considering YouTube has put billions upon billions into a platform that doesn't make money, I question YouTube.

02:33:07.000 I mean, I know that companies definitely pay for bots.

02:33:11.000 I've noticed this just watching movie trailers lately.

02:33:14.000 If you look through the comments, they're all echoing the same exact idea.

02:33:19.000 Usually it's saying positive things about the movie, even though the general sentiment of the public isn't positive.

02:33:25.000 And then you go to the user, you can look at their channel and the recent comments they've left.

02:33:31.000 And, you know, they're only leaving comments on movie trailers from Warner Bros.

02:33:36.000 or from Universal or one particular studio.

02:33:38.000 And you know, that's not a real person.

02:33:40.000 I think all of the internet is fake.

02:33:42.000 And the only thing I can tell you is when I go outside, people say, yo, are you Tim Pool?

02:33:47.000 Man, I love your show.

02:33:48.000 And I'm like, well, I guess someone is.

02:33:49.000 That's the only thing that actually matters.

02:33:51.000 Well, I mean, the only proof that anyone's actually watching this, because for all I know, literally no one watches.

02:33:56.000 Who are you people?

02:33:58.000 And it's like Rumble and YouTube are like, just make them think, you know, we don't want them to actually.

02:34:01.000 But I go outside and people recognize me, you know?

02:34:03.000 Yeah.

02:34:04.000 And people are watching.

02:34:06.000 No, they are.

02:34:06.000 Yeah.

02:34:07.000 And that's it.

02:34:08.000 I'm like, when it comes to the metrics, when it comes to all the numbers, we have no idea how most anybody is operating and there's dead internet theory and all that stuff.

02:34:14.000 But, you know, let's grab Lost and Found.

02:34:18.000 Hey, what is up?

02:34:19.000 What's up, homie? 1.00

02:34:21.000 Everybody.

02:34:21.000 Thanks for taking my call.

02:34:23.000 You're welcome.

02:34:25.000 So my question, I'll go ahead and frame it, let you know it's rhetorical first, but it's for your guest tonight.

02:34:33.000 Do you think the possible election of Mabdami will result in more violence or less violence? 0.99

02:34:42.000 And do you think the world you advocate for causes more violence or less violence?

02:34:48.000 And to wrap it up, do you not understand that the level of your ignorance on these subjects paired with your political participation is indistinguishable from evil?

02:35:00.000 Well, on that note, I mean, I know you said the question was rhetorical.

02:35:07.000 Yes, I don't want an answer from you.

02:35:09.000 It is rhetorical.

02:35:10.000 I just want you to think about it.

02:35:11.000 And we will agree to disagree.

02:35:12.000 I'm always happy to talk to people who disagree with me.

02:35:14.000 I truly mean that.

02:35:15.000 So, I mean, we can disagree.

02:35:17.000 You just don't understand things like rhetorical.

02:35:20.000 Like, I don't want you to talk.

02:35:21.000 I listened to you for two hours.

02:35:23.000 I promise you.

02:35:24.000 Okay, get out of here. 0.90

02:35:26.000 Get out of here.

02:35:26.000 No one wants to listen to you either.

02:35:29.000 You can be polite, man.

02:35:30.000 Or you can actually ask me.

02:35:32.000 I was as polite as I could be.

02:35:34.000 Like, improve on that.

02:35:39.000 Do you want to ask Phil a question?

02:35:40.000 Yeah, you want to swear at me?

02:35:42.000 Insult me a little?

02:35:43.000 No, no.

02:35:44.000 No, I agree with most of your opinions.

02:35:46.000 Fair enough.

02:35:46.000 They're based in logic and reasoning.

02:35:48.000 I will ask you an opinion, like a question that I already know what your answer is going to be.

02:35:53.000 Maybe it'll generate some discussion to put some emphasis on like looking at reality outside of things that like, He has a hyper-understanding of the one subject he's talking about.

02:36:14.000 He just doesn't understand the wider conversation that's happening or the implications of what he's talking about.

02:36:21.000 So my question for Phil would be, is universal enfranchisement a good idea or a nightmarishly bad idea?

02:36:28.000 No, universal enfranchisement is not a good idea.

02:36:31.000 I don't know that it's the worst idea or whatever, but I don't think that it's a good idea.

02:36:34.000 I think that there that I think there should be some kind of some kind of civics test.

02:36:42.000 Maybe something like you have to own a business, have kids, be married.

02:36:47.000 You have to have some kind of investment in the future of the society that you live in beyond I just live here. 1.00

02:36:53.000 You got to kill a guy. 0.97

02:36:56.000 You want in the gang? 1.00

02:36:57.000 You got to take out one of our enemies.

02:36:59.000 That's right. 1.00

02:37:00.000 You got to go out there or you can own a business, have a kid, or go kill a guy. 0.99

02:37:05.000 I'm talking about, you know, like when you join a gang, they'll be like, you got to kill an enemy of the gang. 0.96

02:37:09.000 But our gang's the entirety of the United States.

02:37:11.000 So we're going to be like, yo, you got to go cross that southern board and take out a cartel member.

02:37:15.000 Here's a rifle.

02:37:16.000 What if you had to get beat in by everyone in America?

02:37:19.000 You got to get beat in to be a voter. 1.00

02:37:22.000 All other voters get to beat the shit out of you for one minute. 1.00

02:37:25.000 Just you got to get. 0.98

02:37:26.000 So you're saying, what if we did our politics like all of the rest of human politics and all of the rest of human history?

02:37:34.000 I might be.

02:37:35.000 I might be saying that.

02:37:36.000 But legitimately, I do honestly think that we should have universal enfranchisement.

02:37:43.000 I think that there should be a bar to being able to vote.

02:37:49.000 And that should be that you have some kind of investment in the future of America.

02:37:53.000 Not just, oh, I want to vote myself goodies or whatever.

02:37:56.000 I liked what you said the other day that you can't vote for five years after moving to a new jurisdiction.

02:38:01.000 Yeah.

02:38:02.000 If you're in the U.S. and you live in one state, you move to another state, you can't vote for five years.

02:38:06.000 If you immigrate to the United States, I'm fine with immigrants not being allowed to vote, but I would also be okay with immigrants having to wait 10 years before they can vote. 1.00

02:38:14.000 By jurisdiction.

02:38:14.000 So if you live in a city and you move to another city, you can't vote in either of those cities for five years.

02:38:20.000 But if they're in the same county, you can still vote in the county, state, and federal elections.

02:38:25.000 But if you move to a different county, now you can't vote in the city you're in, the city you were in, the county you were in, or the county you are in, but the state you can.

02:38:32.000 And then if you move states, you can't vote in anything except for the presidential election.

02:38:39.000 Yep.

02:38:39.000 And this is all to prevent you from fucking up the new place that you go to.

02:38:42.000 Most people leave for a reason other than... 0.99

02:38:45.000 You can't even vote for president because it's electoral college-based, so you would fuck up the place.

02:38:48.000 So no voting for five years. 0.52

02:38:50.000 I legit think that there are too many people that vote.

02:38:52.000 And I blame MTV a lot for this.

02:38:55.000 MTV in the 90s with the whole rock the vote thing.

02:38:57.000 The idea that, oh, just get out and vote.

02:38:59.000 That's super important.

02:39:02.000 Well, that was digging.

02:39:03.000 Well, I also want to proclaim, Mary, foreigners should never be allowed to vote no matter what, even if they become citizens. 1.00

02:39:11.000 I don't mind.

02:39:12.000 Yes.

02:39:13.000 Never.

02:39:13.000 Can I object?

02:39:14.000 Nope.

02:39:14.000 Well, you can.

02:39:15.000 I'm kidding, of course.

02:39:18.000 Foreignans moved to Texas because they want to make Texas a better place and they believe in Texan foreigners.

02:39:23.000 And Hondurans moved to Hondurans moved to Martha's Vineyard because they were trying to find a better life and make Martha's Vineyard better.

02:39:32.000 Yeah.

02:39:32.000 And everybody was so happy about it.

02:39:34.000 And I do.

02:39:35.000 I mean, I lived in LA and moved to Dallas, and there were a lot of right-leaning people who left California for Texas and wanted to go to a place like Austin.

02:39:41.000 I think if you are foreign-born, you can never hold office or vote, but your children can if you had those children after you became a naturalized citizen.

02:39:51.000 But again, all the other prerequisites we talked about still apply.

02:39:55.000 I have to have some kind of investment in the future.

02:39:56.000 I'm not in favor of like less people voting.

02:39:58.000 I mean, I am too.

02:40:00.000 I am too.

02:40:01.000 So how many generations do you need to be before you get to vote?

02:40:04.000 I don't even know.

02:40:05.000 If we're talking about our dreams, I don't even know if I want anyone to vote.

02:40:10.000 Nobody can vote.

02:40:11.000 Yeah.

02:40:12.000 Just a king.

02:40:13.000 Yeah.

02:40:14.000 If we're talking about things that are never going to happen, let's just go all the way.

02:40:18.000 Mary just like, just let the pope be the president. 0.99

02:40:21.000 I mean, it wouldn't be the worst.

02:40:27.000 Yeah, but he's still pro.

02:40:28.000 He's pro-mass migration.

02:40:30.000 Didn't he, he made some posts about it.

02:40:31.000 But he's also pro-baseball.

02:40:33.000 So that's fairly American.

02:40:34.000 It's difficult to discuss.

02:40:35.000 That's why we should let the president be the pope and not the pope.

02:40:40.000 Indeed.

02:40:41.000 Well, right on, man.

02:40:42.000 Did you want to add anything?

02:40:44.000 No, I'm good.

02:40:45.000 All right.

02:40:46.000 Anything to shout out?

02:40:48.000 Thanks for calling, brother.

02:40:51.000 Dang.

02:40:52.000 Everybody was cheering on Mary when you snapped back at him, so they did not appreciate the snide remarks to our guest.

02:40:57.000 Well, I appreciate them.

02:40:59.000 Probably all think I'm crazy.

02:41:00.000 That's actually one of the...

02:41:05.000 That's kind of.

02:41:06.000 Oh, we have an intellectual heavyweight calling in right now.

02:41:10.000 That's partly why me and Mary and I were like, hold on, Rey.

02:41:13.000 We don't even know what to do with this guy.

02:41:15.000 Well, but I do appreciate the eclectic bunch.

02:41:18.000 So, I mean, you know, but I recommend even if you are angry or even mildly perturbed, just to try and make it a question.

02:41:26.000 What did he say to someone's face?

02:41:27.000 Thrawn Fett, you are live. 0.84

02:41:30.000 Thrawn.

02:41:32.000 hey, longtime caller, first-time listener.

02:41:34.000 Hey.

02:41:35.000 So, my question's for Tim.

02:41:37.000 Donut Operator just released a vlog the other day about the UFC fight up in New York City, where Detective Richard High, angry cops, mentions he almost got in a fist fight right next to you.

02:41:48.000 Cody also mentioned he got food poisoning, so he couldn't actually go to the fight.

02:41:51.000 And I know you said that you wanted to stay with him some time.

02:41:53.000 Wait, where is this?

02:41:54.000 You almost got into a fight?

02:41:55.000 I didn't know about that.

02:41:56.000 Donut Operator.

02:41:59.000 It is correct.

02:41:59.000 The story did happen.

02:42:01.000 He was insulting Georgia.

02:42:03.000 Where's this blog?

02:42:04.000 It was a vlog or a blog?

02:42:07.000 Blog on his YouTube channel.

02:42:08.000 It came out, I believe, about 48 hours ago.

02:42:11.000 His main YouTube channel or his vlog channel?

02:42:14.000 Probably his channel.

02:42:16.000 I think it's Donut Operator, his main channel.

02:42:18.000 2120 is where Richard High is talking about it.

02:42:22.000 Operation Donut.

02:42:24.000 All right, so.

02:42:25.000 It's true.

02:42:26.000 It happened.

02:42:27.000 He kept insulting Georgia and was yelling.

02:42:29.000 I posted a...

02:42:37.000 Okay, so it was his vlog channel then.

02:42:39.000 But it was 2120 was the time period where Rich was talking about.

02:42:43.000 What's the title of it?

02:42:45.000 Oh, oh, hanging with Casey and I said Angry Cops and Brandon Herrera?

02:42:50.000 Yes.

02:42:50.000 Oh, okay.

02:42:51.000 Yeah, I see that one.

02:42:53.000 It is all true and correct.

02:42:55.000 Where does he bring it up?

02:42:58.000 It was around 2120 was Rich talking about Kim Poole was 10 feet away from the left.

02:43:03.000 There were some Georgians.

02:43:05.000 And when I started making comments about the historical fact that Russia invaded Georgia and took a bunch of land, I said that Georgia was too small to stick up for itself. 0.69

02:43:13.000 It was a tiny country and that he should go back to Atlanta.

02:43:17.000 And at the end of the fight, the Georgian won.

02:43:20.000 And one of the Georgians jumped over a set of chairs and caught up to me and was just like, Georgia's not small.

02:43:28.000 Georgia's big.

02:43:30.000 And I'm looking around at Edmund Hayford and Brandon Herrera and Tipu talk to me, and I'm like, we're going to get into this fight with some Georgians. 1.00

02:43:39.000 You're looking at a fighter.

02:43:40.000 Not even these people at all.

02:43:42.000 And so then he went over to his chairs and his fat friend was looking at me. 0.91

02:43:45.000 So I started going looking at his friend, which just really pisses men off. 1.00

02:43:49.000 It really pisses men off when you give a smoochie face like you're not going to do shit. 0.99

02:43:53.000 And they did not like that. 0.99

02:43:55.000 And the security guy came over to me.

02:43:56.000 He was like, hey, leave them alone.

02:43:58.000 And I'm like, dude, he jumped over two seats to get to me.

02:44:01.000 I'm okay.

02:44:02.000 He's like, okay, just don't do anything.

02:44:04.000 He's like, all right.

02:44:05.000 And then they walked behind us, and I gave them smoochy faces again because they kept eyeballing me.

02:44:10.000 And then we left.

02:44:11.000 So it was fun.

02:44:12.000 I almost got into this fight.

02:44:13.000 I'll tell him more of this story.

02:44:14.000 That wasn't the first time security approached him.

02:44:17.000 I posted a video on Instagram because he was screaming.

02:44:20.000 And admittedly, when I started filming him, he started screaming more.

02:44:24.000 But he's yelling very funny things at the fighters.

02:44:28.000 And so I pulled up my phone and I was like, I got to film this.

02:44:30.000 And so I filmed like selfie, like pointing at him.

02:44:33.000 And he could see me, you know, the corner of his eye.

02:44:36.000 So he starts yelling more inflammatory things.

02:44:38.000 Security actually came up to him over his yelling and told him to please calm down because he was yelling things like, Georgia's not a real country.

02:44:46.000 It's not a real country.

02:44:48.000 It's too small.

02:44:50.000 And so security actually approached him twice.

02:44:52.000 And I think it was more than one guy, actually.

02:44:55.000 And it was funny.

02:44:56.000 And then when we were leaving, I waited.

02:44:59.000 So we're ringside.

02:45:01.000 It's like the VIP section.

02:45:02.000 Like, I saw Joe and it was like, yo, what up?

02:45:04.000 And it was cool to see him.

02:45:05.000 And I got to meet Dana White and got a picture with him.

02:45:08.000 And, you know, only said a few sentences, though.

02:45:10.000 But I got like a comp VIP.

02:45:13.000 They, you know, I reached out to them and said, guys, I want to come.

02:45:15.000 And they let me come.

02:45:16.000 So Alice and I were there.

02:45:18.000 And then I was like, when you're ringside, the separation between the seats, it's literally just a thin rope.

02:45:27.000 Like, you're not even a rope. 0.97

02:45:28.000 It's one of the seat belt or whatever those things are fucking called. 0.95

02:45:31.000 So anybody could just jump over, but security is pretty good. 0.96

02:45:34.000 But as I'm walking to and from the bathroom and the lounge, people are yelling and high-fiving me and stuff.

02:45:40.000 So we didn't want to leave with 10,000 people or however many people were there at the arena all outside because of security.

02:45:48.000 So we were like, we're going to wait until most people leave and then get a car and go.

02:45:52.000 And so we like, basically most people were gone.

02:45:56.000 And I was hanging out with Angry Cops, Brandon Herrera and some of the guy Evan from Black Rifle was there.

02:46:02.000 And then they were like, just leave with us and we'll get an Uber.

02:46:05.000 We got an Uber waiting.

02:46:06.000 And I was like, okay, that's even better.

02:46:08.000 I got a cop.

02:46:09.000 I got Brandon Herrera.

02:46:10.000 I got a cop with me.

02:46:11.000 I was like, this is probably better than waiting and just trying to get an Uber everyone leaves.

02:46:14.000 The only problem was they had to walk a couple blocks to get the Uber.

02:46:18.000 So we're walking and there's tons of people everywhere.

02:46:21.000 So I've got a hood up and I'm just trying to be incognito.

02:46:25.000 And then they go, okay, we got a guy.

02:46:27.000 He's got the car.

02:46:28.000 And then some random guy they're talking to.

02:46:29.000 And I'm like, I don't know what's going on.

02:46:31.000 Yo, some random guy offered them a ride and they gave him a bunch of money.

02:46:35.000 And so they, so we're following them to their car.

02:46:38.000 And it was actually just some random guy who approached them saying, come and jump in my car.

02:46:41.000 I'll drive you home.

02:46:43.000 And so we walked up.

02:46:45.000 Rich is like, just get in.

02:46:46.000 It's fine.

02:46:47.000 And I was like, bro, I am not getting in a stranger's car.

02:46:50.000 I was like, security is our concern.

02:46:52.000 We'll get an Uber.

02:46:52.000 We're going to, we're going to keep walking.

02:46:54.000 And he was like, oh, come on, it's fine.

02:46:56.000 And I was like, bro, we're good.

02:46:57.000 Have a good one, man.

02:46:58.000 I imagine there was a couple of dudes with a gun, with guns in that group.

02:47:01.000 Probably.

02:47:01.000 They jumped in a car with some random guy they met right there on the street.

02:47:04.000 And then Allison and I got an Uber and went home.

02:47:07.000 And it was fun.

02:47:08.000 It's a smart move, but still.

02:47:09.000 And he is a tremendously funny man.

02:47:11.000 And it is absolutely hilarious because I was filming him.

02:47:15.000 He's screaming.

02:47:16.000 And then after I stopped filming, Brandon goes, you realize you were screaming loud enough for the president of the United States to hear it.

02:47:22.000 And then he started laughing.

02:47:23.000 And I was like, oh, dude, that's the quote.

02:47:25.000 I quoted that on the video.

02:47:26.000 So anyway, that's a story.

02:47:29.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:47:30.000 I was really stoked to see them there because Alice and I just went there by ourselves. 0.98

02:47:33.000 And then we saw them and I was like, oh, shit, people to hang out with. 0.98

02:47:35.000 We had a good time. 0.99

02:47:36.000 And, you know, very fun.

02:47:38.000 It was funny because Evan from Black Rifle, their seats were next to ours in the assignment because when you get comp tickets, they stick your name on it.

02:47:47.000 So this is crazy.

02:47:48.000 Here's a secret for you guys.

02:47:49.000 Do you want to sit ringside right behind Donald Trump?

02:47:53.000 It costs $8,500.

02:47:55.000 It's not that much.

02:47:56.000 A lot of money.

02:47:58.000 In the grand scheme of things.

02:47:59.000 In the grand scheme Of things, if you want to be able to walk up to Donald Trump and shake his hand, it's $8,500 for those tickets.

02:48:07.000 Yeah.

02:48:08.000 And so for me, I just reached out to the UFC guys and I was like, hey, would it be cool if my wife and I came, we love UFC.

02:48:18.000 And here's the order of operations.

02:48:21.000 They said, let me talk to Dana and I'll get back to you.

02:48:25.000 And then a week later, we got your tickets.

02:48:27.000 You're good.

02:48:27.000 So I don't know exactly what happened, but I'd like to imagine they went to Dana White and said, Tim Poole wants to come.

02:48:32.000 And he went, absolutely.

02:48:33.000 I honestly don't know.

02:48:34.000 Maybe he was like, who's that?

02:48:36.000 And they were like, well, he's like a big YouTuber.

02:48:37.000 He's like, okay, sure, fine, whatever. 0.97

02:48:38.000 But I'm just going to go ahead and imagine he was like, yeah, fuck yeah, Tim Pool, great. 0.99

02:48:42.000 And I just pretend like he knew who I was. 0.98

02:48:43.000 When I saw him, I was like, Dana, I appreciate you letting me come.

02:48:46.000 He's like, yeah, for sure.

02:48:47.000 He's like, nice to meet you and all that stuff.

02:48:49.000 It's cool.

02:48:50.000 And then we got a picture together.

02:48:52.000 I mean, I imagine he's at least familiar with you just because of Rogan.

02:48:56.000 I actually met him before.

02:48:57.000 Okay.

02:48:58.000 So, and like, he walked up to me and shook my hand.

02:49:01.000 So I think I assume he knows who I am.

02:49:03.000 But I'm like, I don't know, man.

02:49:04.000 I'm just, you know, I'm just some guy on YouTube yelling at a camera.

02:49:07.000 So big fan of UFC.

02:49:09.000 It's fun.

02:49:09.000 I don't know.

02:49:09.000 Did you want to add anything to that or shout anything out?

02:49:12.000 Just a quick question.

02:49:13.000 If you actually got to meet Donut at all or if that just fell through because of the food poisoning.

02:49:18.000 Oh, yeah, I didn't see him there.

02:49:21.000 And I want him to come out and skate.

02:49:23.000 We got to get him to come out here and skate with us.

02:49:26.000 Have you told him specifically?

02:49:28.000 Yes.

02:49:29.000 Hit him up.

02:49:30.000 Tell him.

02:49:31.000 Tell him.

02:49:32.000 Yeah.

02:49:33.000 But he's talked about wanting to come out and come on the show and all that stuff.

02:49:37.000 And we're fans too, so that'd be fun.

02:49:40.000 Maybe we can get him to come to the thing with Michael Malice too. 0.99

02:49:43.000 I'm just saying, like, angry cops, Michael Malice on stage arguing about cops is going to be the funniest shit in the world. 0.92

02:49:51.000 So that's the one we can announce for August 2nd. 0.98

02:49:53.000 That's going to sell out in two seconds.

02:49:54.000 We have a flyer.

02:49:55.000 Once we put the flyer up, it's going to be sold out instantly.

02:49:57.000 It's like 200 seats.

02:49:59.000 And then we want to do some members-only VIP, like behind the scenes.

02:50:04.000 Not behind the scenes, like after party.

02:50:06.000 So it'll be at five.

02:50:07.000 And then what we talked about doing is probably, I'll put it this way.

02:50:12.000 We provide the funding so that the Discord members can have the space set up and it will be their party.

02:50:18.000 So we were thinking like, you know, depending on who wants to come with like Joey Romanation, Sinoski, whoever else wanted to come, it would be your party and whoever else in the Discord that wants to be involved in setting it up.

02:50:29.000 And we'll provide the funding so that you guys can do it.

02:50:32.000 And that would be like from six to however long you guys wanted to do it.

02:50:37.000 And then, of course, we'd come hang out, you know, and do it.

02:50:39.000 But it would be the Discord members party.

02:50:41.000 So yeah, we're working on it.

02:50:43.000 We're working on it.

02:50:44.000 Got to figure it out.

02:50:48.000 Anything else?

02:50:50.000 I just wanted to shout out Han Sub and all the good work they're doing up with Buffalo Public Schools.

02:50:54.000 Thank you.

02:50:55.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:50:58.000 All right.

02:50:59.000 And last but not least, we've got the Plague Doc.

02:51:01.000 What is up?

02:51:03.000 What's up?

02:51:04.000 Can you hear me?

02:51:05.000 Yes, sir.

02:51:08.000 Well, I wanted to ask things very relevant for all the discussion in particular as well, because I am currently in Australian in towards the permanent resident and eventually citizenship.

02:51:18.000 But the question is for you and the panel will be especially the guests.

02:51:23.000 It will be what it means to be a citizen and why economic migrants that don't contribute to the society needs to be part of this citizenship.

02:51:34.000 So what does it mean to be a citizen, you're asking?

02:51:37.000 Yes.

02:51:38.000 The first thing I would say is to be a, it's kind of a broad question, but it's I don't know if my answer is precise enough, but basically that you are pledging your loyalty to a family that is the American family, that you will be a contributor, that you will uphold our values and our Constitution and our laws and work to make America great every single day.

02:52:05.000 And so I'm actually, I would say middle of the road pro-immigration.

02:52:10.000 I don't necessarily think we should just like increase legal immigration or anything like that.

02:52:15.000 I understand and I'm sympathetic a little bit to the moratorium arguments simply because of the 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants that came in, which basically overloaded the immigration system.

02:52:26.000 Integration is imperative for immigration, and the mass illegal immigration damaged that.

02:52:32.000 However, I'm actually a huge proponent of brain drain.

02:52:35.000 I think we should be bringing in top talent from all over the world.

02:52:38.000 I think it is fantastic that Nigeria's best save up money, work really hard, and then come here, and they make a lot of money by doing it. 0.99

02:52:45.000 None of this can be at the sacrifice of the American children, which includes the children of these migrants as well.

02:52:52.000 So if we just keep saying more people can come in, then if you're a hardworking Nigerian family that comes to America and has kids, your kids will be left holding an empty bag all the same.

02:53:02.000 So there needs to be a weighted benefit to the children of actual Americans, be it first-generation or long-standing historical generational citizens.

02:53:13.000 And yeah, I don't know.

02:53:15.000 If you want to elaborate or if anybody else wants to chime in before I just go on a rant.

02:53:20.000 Sorry, I was texting Cody.

02:53:22.000 Like, what does it mean to be a citizen?

02:53:25.000 So, I mean, personally, I think that you should care about the values that have made the United States what it is.

02:53:35.000 And so if you're born here and your parents are Americans, they should be teaching you or they should teach you and instill in you the values that make America the country that it is.

02:53:49.000 You should learn about property rights.

02:53:50.000 You should learn about liberty, about the fundamental things that make America what it is.

02:53:58.000 And I think that that is an integral part of being a citizen.

02:54:03.000 And if you don't hold the values that we hold dear, you shouldn't be allowed to become a citizen.

02:54:11.000 Now, again, because, like, I do think that if your parents are citizens and you're born here, you should be allowed to become, you should be a citizen.

02:54:18.000 I do think that that's, that's, that's fine.

02:54:21.000 I wouldn't want to change that.

02:54:23.000 But I do think that when it comes to immigration, that it's perfectly reasonable to exclude people that don't look at The values that the United States has as the primary way to organize your political ideals, I think it's perfectly fine to exclude those people.

02:54:41.000 And I don't think that there's anything wrong with it.

02:54:43.000 And the people that have a problem with it nowadays, at least, almost all the time, they accuse you of some kind of xenophobia or bigotry or racism or whatever.

02:54:54.000 And that's only because they don't actually have a good argument against excluding people that don't hold American values in high esteem.

02:55:03.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously a lot of your viewers and listeners probably disagree with my views on immigration, but thank you for letting me make the case anyway.

02:55:12.000 I will actually just say on a positive note, and it's good to end on, I think, that I really like, I will reiterate what I said earlier, I really believe in American exceptionalism.

02:55:21.000 I think our devotion to things like, you know, liberalism, freedom of expression, property, these are things that a lot of places don't have.

02:55:30.000 And I'm grateful to live in a place that I was born in a place that do have them.

02:55:34.000 And I know not everyone who comes here has, looks at the world similarly, but a lot of people do.

02:55:39.000 And a lot of people dream of coming here because of those things, not in spite of them.

02:55:43.000 And I think that's beautiful.

02:55:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't have any, I don't have a problem with people wanting to come to the United States.

02:55:51.000 I just think that people that want to come to the United States with the intent to change the United States, it's perfectly fine for the U.S. to say, well, you can't come to the United States because you want to change the fundamental relationship.

02:56:02.000 Yeah, like to what you're saying, I think the best analogy that works for this is that it's more of a familial relationship than just about civic duty.

02:56:12.000 And that's why if you're a citizen because your parents are citizens and you were born here, in a way, you kind of have the family relationship with your nation where you get to be a brat and you get to respect these American values.

02:56:29.000 You get to do those things.

02:56:30.000 That's a privilege that comes with being part of this larger family.

02:56:34.000 Exactly.

02:56:35.000 100%.

02:56:35.000 Totally agree with that.

02:56:36.000 And that's part of why I don't have a problem with revoking visas of people that are anti-American.

02:56:42.000 If they're guests, if they're students, all the stuff about...

02:57:00.000 Not because of any.

02:57:02.000 America was fun while it lasted.

02:57:04.000 I agree with you on all those things.

02:57:05.000 It's just a shame that it's the end, you know?

02:57:07.000 Immigration.

02:57:08.000 I'm optimistic.

02:57:09.000 I don't think it's the end.

02:57:10.000 Well, immigration is outpacing U.S. births.

02:57:12.000 And like you pointed out, other countries don't have these things.

02:57:15.000 So the people who are going to come either won't be able to maintain them or don't agree with them.

02:57:19.000 And I think we're looking at – I think that the long term likelihood, like 100 years from now, the U.S. will be a Sharia Muslim nation because they have an insane amount of kids and they enforce their ideology with murder. 1.00

02:57:39.000 So, you know, theoretically in 100 years, it could be an Anabaptist country with like, you know, the Mennonites and the Amish. 0.89

02:57:49.000 But there's not that many of them right now.

02:57:51.000 And they're substantially, well, actually, I wonder.

02:57:53.000 I think there's more Muslims.

02:57:54.000 They have a lot of kids.

02:57:55.000 There's only like four or five million Muslims in America, something like that, which is a. 1.00

02:57:59.000 How many Anabaptists? 0.98

02:58:01.000 I don't know.

02:58:01.000 But I tell you what, I think that the Catholics are actually, honestly, not like just make a remark because Mary's here, but the Catholics are probably the religion that's getting the most traction.

02:58:15.000 It is growing a lot.

02:58:16.000 There's only 500,000 Anabaptists.

02:58:18.000 So that's the Hooterites, Amish, and Mennonites. 0.99

02:58:22.000 How many Muslims?

02:58:23.000 There's way more.

02:58:24.000 And they have a lot of kids.

02:58:25.000 But the thing is, Mennonites don't enforce their ideology with murder. 0.83

02:58:30.000 There's 3.5 million Muslims in the United States.

02:58:32.000 Three?

02:58:32.000 3.5.

02:58:34.000 I mean, that's out of 330 million people.

02:58:37.000 It is.

02:58:37.000 But let's just do something.

02:58:38.000 If you're raised Muslim in the United States, I think they're far more likely to become atheists when they grow up.

02:58:46.000 I don't know. 0.96

02:58:47.000 Apostasy is a deathworthy penalty.

02:58:49.000 But I mean, when you look at Mamdani says he's Muslim, but he's doing videos about queer liberation and taking away. 0.92

02:58:55.000 Yeah, but what's the word?

02:58:56.000 It's not actually Muslim. 0.94

02:58:58.000 You're wrong.

02:58:59.000 What's the word in Islam where you lie intentionally to spread and gain power? 1.00

02:59:03.000 I don't know the word, but I think it's a thing.

02:59:04.000 Takiyah? 0.93

02:59:05.000 Is that it?

02:59:05.000 Isn't it Tiqiyah?

02:59:07.000 Something like similar.

02:59:10.000 That you're able to lie in order to gain power. 0.96

02:59:12.000 Well, you can lie to Muslims. 1.00

02:59:13.000 To gain power over them. 0.99

02:59:14.000 Yeah, you can lie to them.

02:59:15.000 I thought it was a word or two.

02:59:16.000 Yeah, it's called Tikiyah.

02:59:17.000 I thought that it was in order to convince people.

02:59:19.000 Muslims can conceal their faith or beliefs when under threat or persecution of harm.

02:59:23.000 It's Shia Islam. 0.91

02:59:25.000 It's permission to lie. 0.99

02:59:28.000 To infidels. 1.00

02:59:29.000 So when they poll Islamic communities in the United States, they find that like half agree that apostates should die. 1.00

02:59:39.000 Like it's fucking crazy. 1.00

02:59:40.000 I don't want to send Zoran out of the country because he's a Muslim. 1.00

02:59:45.000 I want to send him out of the country because he's a communist. 0.98

02:59:48.000 There shouldn't be Muslims here. 1.00

02:59:49.000 But I don't think he's a communist. 0.97

02:59:52.000 I think he's probably more likely to be an Islamist.

02:59:57.000 He's not from the United States.

02:59:59.000 He doesn't have the same progressive upbringing as American liberals, but he sees it as an easy vector to gain power.

03:00:04.000 So, but anyway, good sir.

03:00:08.000 Did you want to add anything or shout anything out?

03:00:11.000 Well, thanks, C. Levante, a big fan from Achilla here.

03:00:14.000 Oh, cheer. 1.00

03:00:15.000 Especially keep those helicopters going.

03:00:20.000 It's a good thing it's the after-show saying that kind of stuff, man.

03:00:24.000 So far, thank you very much.

03:00:26.000 Thanks for the chat, Bill, a long-time viewer.

03:00:29.000 But that's the deal.

03:00:30.000 Thank you very much.

03:00:31.000 Appreciate it, man.

03:00:32.000 Thank you.

03:00:32.000 I'm actually surprised that Christians don't have a concept of Takia because the soft argument is that it's to conceal your face under threat.

03:00:41.000 So if someone says convert or die, they're allowed to say it, but they're concealing their faith.

03:00:45.000 But basically what it means is that in the United States, they lie about what they actually believe because they would be oppressed, silenced, or shut down or lose power if they admit what they actually believe.

03:00:56.000 Well, I mean, if your religion is saying, hey, we need to spread our religion even through violence. 0.99

03:01:03.000 And kill all the Jews. 1.00

03:01:04.000 And kill the Spirits. 1.00

03:01:05.000 And what Christians understood in other religions is that martyrdom is actually not the way to heaven, the way to evangelize. 0.62

03:01:16.000 Well, yeah, that's true, too.

03:01:16.000 But the point that i'm making is that the well actually no i've lost a point so it doesn't matter okay so yeah you gotta you gotta uh you have to you have to be i think the united states should be careful about who we actually allow to become you know who we allow to immigrate and after i don't i don't know that it's done yet but uh immigration is not placing births so people who don't agree with the constitution are moving here more than we are

03:01:47.000 having children and liberals are not teaching their kids the values of the of the united states and liberalism i do want to reiterate that a lot of people who do come here not everyone but you know a lot of cubans who come here for instance they're religious and they're conservative and they believe in capitalism and they believe in a lot of them are socially conservative which is somewhat of a dying breed even on the right um so i do think i don't i i think there are a lot of people who come to this country who do share our values american values i i would just make the assumption that if people aren't having kids half the kids

03:02:17.000 that are being born are not being taught the importance of our values and then you bring in migrants at a greater rate yeah american ideology dies like i mean you can make the argument that some of the migrants believe in our values sure but like the math is not there i just believe in the binding power of the constitution i'm a big i'm a big fan of the constitution and i think it will it's more powerful than when when did the when did the right to keep and bear arms get enshrined well i mean i would agree that it has come on i write about it all the time i think it comes on but what there's there's one year phil you know it right what's that when the

03:02:47.000 actual right to keep and bear arms was formally enshrined in the united states okay so the second amendment was 1789 that's what i actually said about no but but the right to keep and bear arms was enshrined probably in heller yes yeah 2008.

03:03:03.000 yes i know the i know the co-council on that case you you could not actually keep and bear arms in the united states until 2008 it was so i take it a bit of issue with it you're you're right that the supreme court had not found but prior to the finding it was assumed that on that you were allowed to have a gun for for personal property or as your as your property and it was assumed that you could carry guns unless it was prohibited but it was prohibited everywhere all the time there's a lot of places that it was prohibited and in the 1980s i believe 100

03:03:33.000 of the united states was may issue meaning they didn't have to leave it legally give you the right to keep in bar arms and could deny it and it wasn't until 2008 and it wasn't even technically 2008 but you're right you're right but in 19 2011.

03:03:50.000 oh the uh um yeah the uh what was the what was it let me pull that one up anyways but you're you're not incorrect but in 1970 if you went and bought a gun or wanted to go buy a gun most places they were issuing like they were it was may issue like that was the standard but almost everybody that wanted to get a gun got issued the point was you didn't have a right to it you were given permission recognized so free speech when was free

03:04:20.000 speech actually enshrined i mean i have a feeling that you have a a different answer than me when when do you think it was enshrined it never was you don't think so it's still not legal today there are numerous laws respecting establishments of speech we restrict uh in various ways how you give money to politicians and if you want to buy a billboard the government made a law that you can't talk to the politician if you do so that's a vibe that's a restriction uh not to mention quomo shut down churches which is a violation of the first amendment there's no process

03:04:50.000 for a regis of grievances in any meaningful way so i i just find it laughable uh i i you know what i i am i am whatever michael malis is i i said i'm an anarchist because of business regulations i don't i don't know that i i understand what he's saying about anarchy he basically said those who have the power to enforce it will and that's what anarchy is and i'm like okay sure fine i guess i completely agree with him there is there is not a single right enshrined in the constitution that's ever actually been upheld and

03:05:20.000 people just pretend that it is there's no binding connect i mean uh does trump have the authority to launch a a strike on a foreign country without a declaration of congress no well why not the war powers resolution granted him some limited authority so then the argument is does congress have the authority without ratification uh of two-thirds of the states to abdicate its responsibilities in declaration of war under a uh through congressional act the long and short of your argument not that and not not that i'm saying you're wrong but the long and short of your argument is that government will always

03:05:50.000 try to find ways around limits you put on it that's the argument you're making and usually they will find it the argument i'm making is the government does whatever the body politic allows sure that fair enough but again but that's still the government is trying to do as to exercise as much power as the body politic will allow so i i look at it like the government is an entrenched blob that simply tries to find the past of path of least resistance so when the far left burns

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