00:02:54.000Louisiana has announced it is suspending its primaries for the House after the Supreme Court ruled that they had racially gerrymandered congressional districts.
00:03:03.000And now Kathy Hochul is responding that New York will proceed and we're off to the races.
00:03:09.000We already had this big redistricting battle.
00:03:11.000Several states were already doing this.
00:03:12.000Democrat, Republican, everybody's blaming each other.
00:03:15.000But now with this Supreme Court ruling, basically every single state has an opportunity to make an argument they need to redistrict just before.
00:04:54.000Now, the funny thing is, he says, oh, yeah, well, you know, Illinois, New York, and California, and everyone's already like, you've already gerrymandered those states beyond recognition.
00:05:03.000I mean, You can squeeze a little bit more out of California, but Illinois, I don't know what you can get to that thing.
00:05:08.000That's like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip, but they'll try.
00:05:12.000And this is going to get real interesting.
00:05:40.000That, alongside missing scientists, everybody's going to put those pieces together, whether they should or should not, but it'll be fun.
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00:08:33.000It'll be good to have you because we're talking about all of this gerrymandering stuff and the lawsuits in states, and I think you can help us out with that.
00:09:09.000Here's a story from the Washington Post.
00:09:10.000Louisiana House suspends House primaries as red states face pressure to redistrict.
00:09:16.000Governor Landry issued the order pausing next month's primaries until lawmakers can approve a new map, which could help the GOP gain one or two seats in the state this fall.
00:09:25.000Now, it's not just Louisiana following the Supreme Court ruling.
00:09:29.000Kathy Hochul moves to change the New York district map after SCOTUS ruling bans race based gerrymandering.
00:09:37.000In the end, if you get rid of all these VRA districts, you're looking at 20 to 30 seats gained by Republicans.0.93
00:09:44.000Combine that with the 2030 census, we are looking at Democrats losing an additional 20 or so seats.
00:09:49.000I mean, this news is apocalyptic for Democrats.
00:09:52.000Now, I will stress this with the news that, with the ruling from the Supreme Court, you got a lot of people saying, of course, that Republicans can gain a bunch of seats.
00:10:04.000But the truth is, Democrats can as well.
00:10:06.000If there's purple or blue controlled states, they can just all.
00:11:23.000And it's the initial answer here from Jeff Landry is yes.
00:11:27.000I think he's already set this off where neighboring state, you know, Kay Ivey in Alabama, her first response to the court case was sorry, we've got some pending federal litigation.
00:11:38.000We're not going to be able to do this.
00:11:40.000So the gauntlet's thrown not just at the Democrats, but I think the other Republican governors in the Southeast by Governor Landry here.
00:11:56.000That would flip four seats, I believe.
00:11:57.000Four seats that would flip to the GOP.
00:12:00.000You know, you have to imagine at the end of the day, if all these states go to their maximum gerrymander, as like your previous picture or map showed, you have to imagine all of this just becomes a wash and we just wasted a ton of time where these states probably could have been doing something better and passed bills that affect their constituents' lives in a meaningful way.
00:12:20.000But instead of doing that, they're clogging up their state government time with this.
00:13:31.000And I mean, there are seven Republican seats in New York that they could squeeze out.
00:13:35.000Here's the crazy thing about the ruling is that what Alito said was the only guarantee you have as a minority is that you won't be, they won't use race as a factor in your district.
00:13:48.000Now, let's say they end up redistricting in New York.
00:13:52.000Well, then someone files a lawsuit, says, oh, no, they used race, they're just lying.
00:13:57.000And then it goes to court again to try and figure out whether they used race or not.
00:14:00.000And then New York says, no, we did it by politics.
00:14:02.000And he's going to say, then how come it's got a higher proportion of, you know, black and Hispanics than white people?0.73
00:14:06.000So, Now, what are they supposed to do?
00:14:08.000In order to avoid any challenge to the map, every district must be parity with nation level statistics on ethnicity and race?
00:14:21.000So, what happens to Chicago when they say this district is majority black?
00:14:26.000It's a racially gerrymandered district.0.56
00:14:28.000So, Illinois can't get really any more Democrat.
00:14:32.000To be fair, some of the maps people have made of Illinois to make it Democrat, every district is a thin vertical stripe that goes up and touches Chicago.
00:14:41.000Yeah, they could make the craziest dumb maps, but I think those wouldn't pass.0.96
00:14:45.000But they've already gerrymandered to Oblivion to create Democrat seats.0.98
00:14:48.000I don't know how they make more Democrat seats than they already did.0.72
00:14:51.000Yeah, and I think the interesting thing in citing Chicago as an example is the Democrats are also in something of a political bind with one of their leading constituency groups here because there's some seats that you cannot reconfigure without sacrificing black members of Congress.0.67
00:15:06.000And so, I mean, Democrats could go to maximally redraw Illinois, but you're going to lose some of those old school black Democrats like a Danny Davis or someone like that or Benny Thompson in Mississippi, for example.0.58
00:15:22.000It's insane, but there's also going to be a lot of pressure on Democrats, especially in New York, to keep some of those safe black members of Congress in some kind of seat, even if it's not a majority black district.
00:15:33.000Can we just talk about how insane that is?
00:15:35.000That imagine, you know, Democrats come to you and they say, hey, we're going to make it so your district is all black people.
00:15:43.000And you're a black guy and you're like, but I'm a big fan of Thomas Sowell, and the guy across the street is a communist who wants to vote for communism.
00:15:52.000How are we going to share a representative when our political values are totally different?
00:16:03.000What brings you all together is not whether you understand, agree with, or disagree on policy, it's your skin.
00:16:09.000That's what Democrats are saying with the VRA.
00:16:11.000I do think, I mentioned this last night, I think that it came from a place where when they were blockbusting and like all the rich white guys would stage, take like 18 blocks of nice area and they'd say, no, black people can't move in, or they wouldn't say it out loud.
00:17:56.000If you're a black guy and your neighbor's a white guy, and next to him is an Asian guy, and next to him is a Mexican guy, and next to him is an Indian paraplegic transgender Muslim, Doesn't even matter because they're all going to say, We have a problem with coastal erosion.
00:18:11.000Then they all go to a candidate and he says, I want to implement race based policies.0.64
00:18:16.000And they'll go, We don't care about that.
00:18:18.000We're all mad that our homes are sinking.
00:18:21.000That's what brings people together in terms of their interests that need to be represented in Congress.
00:18:25.000When a congressman goes to the federal government and says, My district needs money, with this map in Illinois, they're going to say, What does it need money for?
00:18:32.000And they're going to go, Gay race communism?0.86
00:18:36.000But if you actually broke it down by, say, like farmland, they're going to be like, we need funding for, you know, machinery subsidy, corn subsidy, or something like that, whether you agree or not.
00:18:52.000This person represents us, and they're going to go to Congress for us.
00:18:55.000If this map, this Illinois map, were real, would that mean that all the Republican voters then, when they vote for their representative, they have to vote for a Democrat?
00:19:34.000And the middle one is light blue, indicating it's probably 55% Democrat.
00:19:38.000So, you'll never really get a Republican winner.
00:19:41.000The idea is everybody south of Chicago on the far right strip going down, this strip right here, every single person from this point down is a Republican.
00:19:51.000But in Chicago, there's 200,000 Democrats.
00:19:55.000So, when it comes to elections, the Democrats win the district every single time.0.77
00:19:59.000So, then if you just made Chicago its own zone and gave it like 12 seats or I don't know, whatever the aggregate proportion, then you just let all the farmers have their one.
00:20:09.000Representative, that's how it was in Illinois for a long time.
00:20:12.000Southern Illinois, and they in the last redistricting eliminated most of the Republican agricultural based seats.
00:20:19.000So, this is just a maximalist move for what Democrats in Illinois have already done.
00:20:24.000I think Tim is right, like you kind of look at it, it's like how much more can you get out of it because they've already done a version of this, nothing as obscene as that.
00:20:32.000But so here's Illinois now, and you can take a look at Chicago and you can see they've actually kind of done this.
00:20:38.000So, you know, why is the first district stretching this little tiny portion right into Chicago like that?
00:20:56.000It's because they want the city of Bloomington and normal, if we call it Bloomington normal, they want that to be in the same district as Rockford because it increases the amount of Democrats above 50% to guarantee they always win.
00:21:08.000And then my favorite, of course, well, the other one was my favorite.
00:21:14.000Same thing, slicing through rural Southern Illinois farmland to connect East St. Louis, Belleville with Springfield, Decatur, and Champaign, Urbana to lump all of these tiny urban centers into one district to justify a Democrat majority district.
00:21:31.000Because here's the reality outside of Springfield, this whole chunk, they got a lot in common with each other.
00:21:38.000If they just broke these up like normal blocks based on farmland industry, there would be no Democrat seats.
00:21:45.000They have already gerrymandered to oblivion.
00:21:48.000I mean, if they want to try and go ham with it and do something like this, that'll never get through a court, but that'd be hilarious if they tried.
00:21:54.000Theo, what's your, I kind of guess, reaction to these hardball politics and the escalation that we're seeing in it?
00:22:01.000I mean, I think, look, I think Tim said this the other day where you take the Democrats at their word, which is it's maximum warfare, as the speaker in waiting, Hakeem Jeffries said.
00:22:13.000And I think this gets back to the question of like, are Republicans actually going to exercise the will to maximize their advantage here?
00:22:23.000The Democrats see what's coming, which is if you stop counting illegals in the census, if you actually eliminate race based districts, these majority minority districts, and if you stop some of the gimmicks that they played with election integrity rules in the 2020 and in some places in the 2024 election, a lot of the illegitimate electoral gains from Democrats just vanishes overnight.
00:22:48.000And then you tie in there, like as you mentioned, Tim, the great sort where you have people leaving places like Orange County, California, and they're moving to places like where I'm at.
00:22:55.000Boise, Idaho, or they're leaving Seattle and they're going to places like Montana.
00:25:32.000And they started doing the same thing.
00:25:33.000Or I should say, they started doing worse, because again, when you go to 270 to win, Eliminating four Republican districts by putting five districts in one city is psychotic.
00:25:47.000Here's the truth both the Democrats and the Republicans made the VRA play in 2020.
00:25:53.000The Biden DOJ made the move against Texas in 2021 when they tried to redistrict, triggering the legal battle targeting the Voting Rights Act.
00:26:02.000Over the four years of Biden, all of these individuals in these states were preparing for this.
00:26:07.000The moment the Trump administration backed off and the arguments had already made it to the Supreme Court, every red state was prepared to launch their salvo.
00:26:18.000We'll just see if that plan does anything.
00:26:22.000I think the other thing here that is missed is the opinion from Justice Alito.
00:26:27.000I mean, the Democrats and the far left, Mark Elias and those guys are hyperventilating about this.
00:26:32.000But the decision doesn't say that Section 2 of the VRA is gone and obliterated as they maintain.
00:26:37.000It just says, as Tim noted a moment ago, you can't use race as the sole basis for drawing congressional districts.
00:26:43.000The old rules about it being compact, communities of interest, and as Justice Alito said, partisanship, all of those things can be factors for drawing seats.
00:26:52.000And I often say, look, this is a lot like the judicial nomination wars, you know, where, oh, we nuked the filibuster, you nuked the filibuster.
00:27:01.000And when you go back and you actually do the archaeological dig on this, the left started this fight back in the Obama administration.
00:27:07.000If you guys remember all this push by Holder and Obama for the independent redistricting commissions, they did it in Arizona through a ballot initiative, they did it in California.
00:27:16.000And every time the so called independent member, so you'd have like five Democrats, five Republicans, and then there would be one swing vote.
00:27:24.000Every time the independent ended up being a Democrat plant.
00:27:27.000For example, in New Jersey, where there was an independent commission, the member of that redistricting commission was a professor at Princeton who, at the time, was a registered independent.
00:27:37.000He's now running for Congress as a Democrat.
00:27:39.000And the product of those redistricting commissions were maps that always favored Democrats and obliterated incumbent Republicans.
00:27:45.000So they were at this, again, a long time before Republicans got wise.
00:27:50.000And then the litigation started under the VRA for what we call covered jurisdictions in places like Texas.
00:28:14.000And then I believe nuking the filibuster for Supreme Court nominations with only doing a simple majority for Gorsuch and then also allowing Amy Comey Barrett to get in despite it being an election year, which is the reason why he's cited for not letting.
00:28:43.000So the actual judicial nomination war starts in the Obama presidency when he nuked the filibuster for appellate court judge nominees and they stacked the D.C. Circuit, which is, you know, that's just, again, one layer.
00:28:55.000So it's like, yeah, you can look at Garland, but the actual story was when they put three Democrat nominees forward when they knew they didn't have the vote, so they obliterated the judicial.
00:29:06.000And so, like, I think, again, I don't want to like over index on the Obama's the cause of all problems, but the redistricting war starts under Obama.
00:29:14.000And I'll just note what was Eric Holder's job when he left the Obama White House, when he left the Obama Michigan?
00:29:21.000He was the head of the National Democrat Redistricting Commission.
00:29:26.000The issue is you can go back, it's a Hatfields and McCoys, it goes back to the Civil War.
00:29:52.000We're just putting the Unionists here and we're going to make it its own state.
00:29:55.000They, when the Civil War started and Virginia called up all of its young men to come fight and defend Virginia, whatever you think about the secession is not the point.
00:30:28.000Security centralization of authority, right there.
00:30:31.000Oh, I mean, if you go back to Obama started redistricting, then the argument's going to be made, you know, yeah, but the Republicans, blah, Did the Bush admin do much in the redistricting era?
00:30:43.000No, because I think one thing that people have missed as well in this national discussion about redistricting is the ability to use precision data.
00:30:52.000Tools both on micro targeting and then also like the map analysis that's totally new.
00:30:57.000Alito mentions this in his opinion, which is you can get a map like Tim was showing on Illinois because you can literally run 300 different permutations through the software of how you are parsing individual houses and neighborhoods.
00:31:10.000And that just didn't exist to that level of precision until Obama starts redistricting, but Obama's administration also targeted the Tea Party and did a bunch of things like this.
00:31:19.000And the argument they'll make is no, this is the Republicans.
00:31:22.000When they were in power, they cheated and stole the election and then rammed everything through.
00:31:28.000So, as soon as Democrats came back in, they said, We have to make sure they can't do what they did again in 2012.
00:31:32.000Because you had, I'm sorry, in 2000, because you had Republicans for eight years.
00:31:36.000Then Obama gets in and they said, How do we stop Republicans from stealing an election again?
00:31:43.000You'll keep going back in time nonstop all the way.
00:31:45.000Things were a little bit more chill in the 90s.
00:31:47.000But then you can go back to, you get back to, what was it, in the 50s, the incumbents all got purged.
00:31:51.000You can go back to the civil rights era and the Democrats are accused of, you know, switching or whatever.
00:31:56.000You go back to Jim Crow, everybody's pointing at each other having done something wrong.
00:32:00.000General question I know you're not allowed to draw up districts based on race now, but what if they just say, no, no, no, it wasn't because they were black.0.58
00:32:07.000I think that's the argument they made, exactly.
00:32:10.000So then no districts will have to be redrawn at all if that's the case.
00:32:12.000They'll just say, no, it was never about race.
00:32:14.000It was probably about their political affiliation.
00:32:16.000Yeah, I mean, I think that one way of reading the opinion is partisanship is totally an acceptable criteria for drawing districts.
00:32:24.000It so happens, especially in places in the South.
00:32:27.000Like, there's almost a one to one between skin color and party registration.
00:32:32.000So, but I think if you were to say, hey, we just want a Democrat vote sync here, if you control the governorship and the state legislature, more power to you, you can do that.
00:33:06.000So, what will be the basis under the Supreme Court ruling that the states will do it?
00:33:11.000Will the governor just say, we're going to do it because the Supreme Court issued a ruling?
00:33:16.000Yeah, I think it's what you mentioned at the outset, Tim, which is like, you're going to have state governors who say, look, we got to comply.
00:33:22.000We got to comply with this new case precedent.
00:33:25.000And we're going to look at the, oh, whoops, we've got, you know, Benny Thompson's seat is a perfect example of this.
00:33:30.000It's a little bit more compact than what you see in leftist blue states.
00:33:34.000But those are separate communities of interest.
00:33:36.000You go up north, those are farming communities.
00:34:04.000Let's say they're like, we don't want to do this.
00:34:06.000What if someone in those districts files suit and says, I am in a district that was in violation of a, that would trigger it, wouldn't it?
00:34:13.000Yeah, and I think that's the other part of this story is not all of this is going to play out this year.
00:34:17.000I mean, the maximum advantage that Republicans may ultimately get out of this is going to be next year and for the 28 election and probably for the 2030 redraw.
00:34:28.000And so I think the one takeaway from this week, both with the opinion from Justice Alito and what's already been going on with California and Virginia, is the redistricting wars are here to stay because both parties are now trying to lock in real electoral advantages.
00:34:42.000But again, as you said, Tim, Democrats are looking at a pretty apocalyptic future.
00:34:48.000I mean, we're looking at potentially like LBJ era 1960.
00:34:51.000You know, when the Democrats had enormous numbers in the House and in the Senate, there's a real possibility by the end of the 2030 census, when you're looking at 2032, Republicans could have anywhere between 40 to 50 seat advantage.
00:35:07.000And they say how state seats in the U.S. could change after the next census.
00:35:12.000At the halfway point in the decade, newly released census data points to continued shifts in representation after the 2030 census.
00:35:17.000So, for those that are just tuning in, what we've been talking about and in the previous segments, with the Supreme Court ruling on the VRA, Republicans could gain reasonably.
00:35:39.000So this redistricting battle will not just be happening right now.
00:35:43.000In 2030, the prediction is that California will lose four seats, Texas will gain four seats, New York will lose two, PA loses one, Illinois loses one, Wisconsin one, Minnesota one, Oregon one.
00:35:56.000We see Idaho, Utah, and Arizona each gaining a seat.
00:35:59.000You see North Carolina and Georgia gaining a seat.
00:36:29.000We are looking right now being modest in the next four years.
00:36:33.000This is going to be probably by 2032 when this takes effect.
00:36:36.000If everything plays out, Republicans will have a 24 seat majority.
00:36:40.000Just built in without swing seats or any of that.
00:36:42.000And I think what's interesting here about this map is under the old reading of Section 2 of the VRA, even some of those seats that California would lose and, say, Texas would gain, they're not necessarily going to become Republican seats because you're still going to have to draw majority black seats in Houston, in Dallas.
00:37:00.000Now, with this Supreme Court opinion, those are basically transferring blue Democrat seats in California to what will become.
00:37:33.000So, if you've got half a million people leaving Manhattan, the initial reaction a lot of people said was, and this is first order thinking, Well, 500,000 people are going to shift the makeup of another district.
00:37:43.000Yeah, but those 500,000 people are dispersing in different areas.
00:38:13.000From California, Texas, aren't going to the same city for the most part.
00:38:17.000Many might, but then it gets better because even the people from California who move to Austin, they can just gerrymander Austin and say it's liberal.
00:38:27.000If it's legal to gerrymander by political affiliation, can't they run like an AI algorithm to see all the voter rolls, all the addresses, and then after the fact be like, we're going to draw, because we can't do it by race anymore, we're going to specifically draw 14 Democrat districts and they're going to draw little snakes and it'll be totally legal?
00:38:46.000Because it's only by political affiliation.
00:38:48.000But back in the day, they didn't know people's affiliation until they went to vote.
00:38:52.000So you were building the district before you found out who was in it.
00:38:55.000Now you can know ahead of time and pre plan the district.
00:38:58.000It seems like the whole system is now malfunct.
00:39:03.000The map we showed in the last segment.
00:39:05.000This is exactly what you're describing.
00:39:07.000So this is if every state maximizes the district.
00:39:10.000The argument being made here is that the end result of the gerrymandering war is every red state maximizes for red, every blue state maximizes for blue.
00:39:18.000I think, and the two wrinkles here would be to maximize your advantage in redistricting, you got to hold the trifecta.
00:39:26.000You got to hold both chambers of the state legislature, except for Nebraska, and you got to hold the governorship.
00:39:30.000So, something like Nevada, you see that there.
00:39:33.000You got a red northern district based out of Reno, and then the southern, so the two seats there in the south, which are based around Clark County and Las Vegas.
00:39:41.000But if there's a Republican governor, it's going to be really hard for the Democrats in the legislature to maximize those seats.
00:39:46.000It'd probably stay 50 50 swing seats like they are now.0.80
00:39:49.000The other thing I think, what Tim was just laying out, the breadcrumb trail there leads to an obvious conclusion, which is this is why Democrats are flooding the nation with mass immigration.0.76
00:39:59.000Because the great sort that is happening, it turns out, even if every Yankee who leaves Long Island and moves to North Carolina is still an unrepentant liberal, it kind of gets washed out and they don't actually pick up the real vote share.0.68
00:40:13.000And I'll say, just as a footnote, we track this pretty closely in Idaho.
00:40:17.000And what we see actually is, The folks who are leaving California, Washington state now with the imposition of the income tax, when they're moving to Idaho, they're actually shifting both the ideological window but also the registration more Republican.
00:40:31.000These are people who were sort of suffering under blue state policies and they're like, I'm happy to be in free, free Idaho.
00:40:37.000Now, here's the best part the end result of this beyond the midterm is any guesses?
00:41:07.000As moderates in New York flee, what happens is congressional seats not only get broken up, but the existing seats become hyper partisan left.
00:41:18.000So, in a district, let's say you have Manhattan, and you've got a lot of conservatives.
00:42:02.000Well, those moderates, people like me, we've left.0.77
00:42:04.000So now the primary happens again, and you've got blue dog Democrat rolled up sleeves saying, We're here for the working class, but all their voters have left, and all that's left is commies.0.76
00:42:16.000Basically, right now in every district, the primary is trying to sort by political party the boundaries and then finding the middle.
00:42:24.000It's not necessarily intentionally how they do it, but what happens is you go to a district, the furthest left you go, you've got hardcore tanky communists, and the furthest right you go in the Democrat Party, you have like moderate libs who hate Trump.
00:42:35.000So, the candidate who wins panders to both the most to generate the most amount of votes.
00:42:41.000That moderate guy could only get 20% of the votes he used to get.
00:42:44.000The communist now panders to the socialists and the communists, and now you get a communist member of Congress.
00:42:50.000This is both geographic and governmental hyperpolarization.
00:42:55.000With these seats moving, you will see more staunch Republicans in Congress and more squad members in Congress.
00:43:01.000You will also then have states ideologically opposed to extreme degrees, like Oklahoma banning abortion outright.
00:43:08.000And Colorado legalizing abortion to the point of birth.
00:43:11.000The end result of this is you will have states with things that are legal that shock the conscience, that bleed over between each other.0.83
00:43:21.000You will end up with, and I'm saying this as a joke to make the most extreme examples gay race communist by mandate in Colorado and the handmaid's tail in Oklahoma.0.77
00:43:32.000And then eventually they start fighting with each other because these ideologies will clash because there's proximity.0.85
00:43:38.000The hyper polarization, I don't know how you break it up.
00:43:41.000But what we're watching with intermigration, internal migration, as well as gerrymandering, redistricting.
00:43:47.000Look, if you live in Virginia and they just took away your district and they're putting a Democrat in charge of where you live, a lot of people are going to say, I don't want to live in a place where the attorney general said my children should die and they're going to try and trans my kids.0.65
00:43:59.000We should consider moving out of this state.
00:44:01.000You're going to see a lot of people move to West Virginia.
00:44:03.000Indeed, which is already 86% Trump supporting.
00:44:09.000Another potential future that I've been thinking about lately is that.
00:44:13.000You know, the two party system may change.
00:44:15.000It may be that, like, the Republican Party splits in half and the Democrat Party splits in half, and we have a four party system for a short period of time.
00:44:31.000I don't necessarily agree, though, but I do want to, to your point, in agreement.
00:44:36.000If you have geographic hyper polarization, it wouldn't be unquestionable to think that in a place like West Virginia, you have someone like me.
00:44:46.000A exile from Illinois or from New York who was like, these people have gone nuts.
00:44:51.000So I come to West Virginia and I say, firstly, I don't want to interfere in what the locals want to do.
00:44:58.000I hope that you respect my voice, but I also don't want to trample on your traditions and what you've built here as longtime residents.
00:45:06.000But you will then get the far right element.
00:45:09.000I put that in air quotes, meaning staunch, hardcore local will form a right wing and the moderate right wing will form the state's left wing.
00:45:18.000So basically, when you say four parties, imagine you get a big cluster of southern states that are just deep red.
00:45:23.000But within that, you've got the MAGA and the neocons.
00:45:46.000And I think one thing you'll see in places like Mississippi is you might actually end up with some victories for the neocons because.0.81
00:45:52.000Those black voters now, I mean, the game theory just plays out where, like, well, I might as well participate in the Republican primary.0.78
00:45:59.000That way, I can get a slightly less detestable form of a Republican congressman who may be more interested in catering to my interests and my vote.0.97
00:46:07.000So it may reduce the likelihood of getting hyper partisan Republicans in Congress.
00:46:12.000But I think Tim's account for what's going to happen in blue states is exactly right.
00:46:16.000Once the moderates are gone and you've over indexed on ideology for drawing these districts, you're already seeing this in places in New York with the Jamal Bowman race a couple of years ago.
00:46:25.000You're going to see the moderate Democrat just totally annihilated in the primary.
00:47:01.000So back to your point, Ian, about saying four parties.
00:47:03.000The part where I'll disagree with you is technically there will be four parties, in that there will be a hard right and an old right, whatever you want to call it, but they will all be unified against the other.
00:47:15.000So the country is going to break up into this silly map right here.
00:47:20.000And then what ends up happening is this chunk is completely at war with this chunk.
00:48:02.000We will get to a point where it's even further than this.
00:48:05.000You know, when we're watching, The news out there before the show, we got four channels on one screen, and you can watch MSNBC, MSNow, sorry, and CNN and Fox News at the same time, and you can see the bifurcated reality in both.
00:51:44.000Don't Say Straight bill that they tried to fearmonger around DeSantis on.
00:51:48.000Yeah, we call it the Don't Say Straight bill because the bill said that teachers could not discuss their interpersonal relationships with children.
00:51:56.000And considering most people are in straight relationships, it was actually barring teachers.
00:52:00.000From talking about their heterosexual coupling.
00:52:02.000So I actually think it benefited gay people.0.87
00:52:04.000That's what made DeSantis Hitler at the time.0.95
00:52:52.000It's like, it's the cringest thing ever to, you know, remember when Deepwater Horizon happened in the Gulf, the oil spill, and the CEO's like, we're terribly sorry.
00:53:02.000Like, nobody believes you and nobody cares.
00:53:05.000I'd respect you more if you came out and said, you know, obviously we're going to clean it up.
00:53:36.000When those old tweets from Mallory McMorry came out, and she has essentially what you're describing here.
00:53:43.000One of her tweets said, Well, the future is the ring and not the horror film, but she was like, You know, the coasts will break off and they'll join with Mexico and Canada and they'll basically just napalm what's left in the middle.
00:55:38.000She's the most moderate person in this race.
00:55:40.000Because the other guy, Abdul El Said, was the guy who said he didn't even want to, I think, celebrate the killing of Hassan Israllah or the Ayatollah, rather.
00:55:51.000Or he didn't want to comment it because he didn't want to upset his Arab Muslim basin.
00:55:53.000Was he the guy who campaigned with Hassan?
00:56:15.000You know, that really bums me out because I love snow and I like snowboarding and skiing, but where we are, it only snows every so often.0.93
00:56:23.000And here she is coming from a warm place, moving to a cold place, and she hates it.
00:56:28.000There are days like these that make me miss California even more, she said in 2017.
00:56:33.000I had a dream that the U.S. amicably broke off into the ring.
00:56:36.000Coasts, Canada, Mexico, plus parts of Michigan and Texas, and Middle America.
00:57:06.000I think the other thing that came out of this story is a lot of those tweets she deleted talked about her participating in the 2016 DIMM primary out in California when she supposedly was already living and registered in Michigan.
00:57:20.000So potential election fraud that she participated in as well.
00:57:23.000You know, I'd have a lot more respect for Graham Platner if, like, When they came out and said, Hey, by the way, there's a Nazi tattoo on your chest.
00:57:31.000If you went, Yeah, I'd be like, Okay, you know, all right.0.56
00:57:35.000Instead, he's like, Is that what that is?
00:57:43.000When they called out Democrat frontrunner for the Senate in Maine, Graham Plattner's literal totem conf on his chest, he went, Is that what that is?
00:57:58.000And this is why Fetterman's probably like one of the more honest people we've had right now where he was saying today, dude's just an asshole.1.00
00:58:06.000Plattner's just a straight up asshole because he's not truthful about anything.1.00
00:58:49.000They would prefer it if in this country they separated the races and white people would live with white people and black with black people, right?0.54
00:58:57.000I think that's largely true among white nationalists.0.90
00:59:00.000White supremacists, they're going to add the fact that they think they're better than everybody, but that's a separate thing.
00:59:05.000Which political party advocates for policies based on race?
00:59:27.000So, real quick, and which political party hates Israel?0.96
00:59:32.000Well, and which party now has elected mayors in some of the largest cities in America saying we will only hire, we will only contract with non white businesses, right?0.97
00:59:43.000Choosing winners and losers based on their race.0.87
00:59:45.000That I would argue that Nazis would probably not be not okay with, but I would just say.
00:59:50.000If you were a Nazi looking at the list of everything you wanted, you'd be like, well, we might lose a couple of things in the cities we don't want to be in.0.59
00:59:57.000But man, if those cities are saying they're only going to hire black people and all the black people move there and leave where we are, my point is when I see Graham Plattner with a Nazi tattoo, I'm like, he's just a Nazi who realized that to get through most of what a Nazi would want, the Democratic Party is your path forward.0.97
01:00:17.000He hates the Jews, he hates Israel, and he wants racial segregation.0.98
01:00:34.000He's also got some crazy Reddit posts back in the day about Hamas wiping out Israel and stuff like that.0.98
01:00:39.000My point is if you are a Nazi who hates the Jews and hates Israel, the Democratic Party is for you.0.69
01:00:45.000I think it's transparent, like the double standard, though, because you saw everybody in the media trash aggressively Secretary of War Pete Hegseth for his I think it's an Iron Krause tattoo that, you know.0.97
01:01:05.000Yeah, there were many outlets explicitly saying that it might signify that he's a white supremacist.
01:01:10.000I'm reading from Politico that it's associated with white supremacist groups, as opposed to articles talking about Plantner's tattoo that says how he expresses regret and it could potentially resemble a Nazi tattoo.
01:01:20.000So they give him like this plausible deniability that they would never afford to Secretary Hegseth, despite Secretary Hegseth's tattoo not being any.
01:01:28.000Anything resembling a white supremacist symbol, but this guy has a literal totem conf on his chest.
01:01:34.000And he's been there for like a very long time.
01:01:36.000Yo, he had it for 20 years, didn't he?
01:01:38.000The thing about Democrat policies is about race policies, race based policies.
01:01:42.000If you live in a society with 78% black people of a certain culture that votes that way, they'll say, Look, we're not doing anything by race.
01:02:10.000So here's the origin of his Tottencom.
01:02:13.000He was in his 20s on leaving Croatia, specifically Split, during his third deployment.
01:02:18.000He and fellow Marines got very inebriated and decided to get tattoos.
01:02:21.000They picked a terrifying looking skull and crossbones design off the wall at a tattoo parlor, seeing it as generic military pirate edgy imagery, common in military culture for scary tattoos.
01:02:33.000I just want to stress these guys walked into a tattoo parlor with a giant Nazi Totenkampf on the wall that is available for public display.0.53
01:02:46.000I have to wonder about what they were thinking when they entered that tattoo parlor and what the, let's just say, the business individuals, what were they wearing and what did they look like and what else was on the wall?
01:03:00.000I gotta wonder if you're gonna put a Totenkampf on your wall, if there are not perhaps any other symbols, perhaps maybe an old Buddhist symbol that was ripped over.
01:03:09.000It's an old Prussian military symbol that the Nazis co opted, just like the swastika.0.78
01:03:13.000It was the old bastard symbol of stuff that they co opted.0.95
01:03:17.000Okay, at the very least, it demonstrates poor judgment.
01:03:21.000Assuming, like, you know, give him every benefit of the doubt, I think this demonstrates his poor judgment.
01:03:27.000And maybe it's not the judgment and, you know, thought process that somebody who would potentially be a senator should have.
01:03:33.000Like, if you are getting something permanently tattooed on your body, you should understand or know what the symbol is or do some due diligence before doing that.
01:03:42.000I don't know if it's too much to ask for.0.97
01:03:43.000And again, I think he's playing dumb.0.98
01:04:05.000Yeah, I don't think like Jared Holt or anybody at the ADL would have thought twice if, you know, one of the people who they were tracking as a white supremacist had this type of tattoo on them.
01:04:17.000I just think it's odd that people like Holt aren't all over this guy.
01:04:20.000Well, look at the other interesting thing I was going to say was when he did his little sit down confessional, like the sort of like O'Donnell when she ran for Senate a few years ago, I'm not a witch.
01:04:31.000And he said, Well, now I will pay to remove it.
01:04:33.000Dude, if he had bad judgment 20 years ago, there was a long time in between there where he could have said, Oh, shoot, I learned about this symbol.
01:04:54.000The Nazi imagery has been banned and they've had sporadic heavy enforcement.
01:04:58.000In 2004, they ordered the removal of plaques honoring Nazi era figures.
01:05:04.000I just don't believe this guy for a second.
01:05:06.000The story is either he intentionally sought out a Nazi tattoo or he intentionally sought out a Nazi tattoo parlor and then got a Nazi tattoo.
01:05:14.000Well, he was, I don't know how old he is now, 40 something.
01:05:24.000I'd never heard of a Totenkampf till tonight.
01:05:26.000This is the first time I've ever heard the word said out loud.
01:05:28.000And I've never, I think I've seen that before.
01:05:30.000I had no idea it was a Nazi thing until tonight.
01:05:33.000Well, the other thing here, just to note, I mean, I know he's doing this like faux working class hero shtick right now, but Platner comes from an incredibly wealthy, socially elite family in New York in the Northeast.
01:05:46.000He went to Hotchkiss, one of the premier boarding schools in America.
01:05:50.000The idea that he was somehow ignorant about the significance or the symbolism, or like, I don't know, I just picked like a Pirates of the Caribbean looking tattoo for my chest, man.
01:06:01.000I don't believe it because, again, came from an incredibly sophisticated, educated, Wealthy Northeast family.0.71
01:07:31.000I don't believe him, but if people are like, I don't want to be associated with that thing and they say they don't, then I don't know if we can exist as a society that holds everyone to the standard of themselves for 20 years ago.
01:07:52.000Yeah, I mean, that is literally the values of punk rock is where the most countercultural imagery is.
01:07:58.000But the opposite of that is, yo, if you're going to project an image, you better know what that's going to do to other people when they see it and get behind it because you're doing it.
01:08:06.000I think it also just gets back to how Tim started this discussion, which is like, then just own it, dude.
01:08:48.000If you know you're going to run for something, you could do some things to prepare, like, for example, cover up your Nazi tattoo.
01:08:53.000So the moment that your tweets before you're about to run for the Senate, the moment the picture drops, then you could say, oh, you know what?
01:09:01.000But I will say, I don't want to do too much pearl clutching over this because I don't think people want to hear Jewish people complain about the Totten Kampf symbol on this guy, despite it being there.
01:12:05.000I don't expect TSA to go, like administrative TSA agents, to go chasing after a guy, especially when you got Secret Service and decked out dudes.
01:12:13.000Yeah, you want to be away behind the guys that are pointing the guns.
01:13:03.000He ran to the top of a flight of steps that he was trying to get down to get to the ballroom, and they shot him when he was at the top of the steps.
01:13:29.000Caltech engineer, and his plan was just to run.
01:13:32.000I think he was going to be the area where they were.1.00
01:13:34.000Well, I will say this running past Secret Service does not necessarily mean he's dumb, but considering the layout of the building and everything that's been put forward, like, this guy is very stupid.1.00
01:13:45.000I think taking an immediate shot means he's dumb.0.99
01:13:48.000I'm also wondering why he didn't exercise at all and, like, he's apparently talked about how he wanted to do it.0.99
01:15:01.000The payout that hitmen get actually is not worth it.0.95
01:15:04.000So, if you ever watch these sting operation shows where they'll have a fat hitman and the wife comes in and she's like, I want to kill my husband.
01:15:15.000Yeah, but I think the past few years have demonstrated that a motivated individual who wants to commit a political assassination, whether it be Trump at the Butler rally, Charlie Kirk, or Shinzo Abe.0.94
01:15:42.000In the game, you have a wristband that, and for no reason, I love the game lore, you cut your index, your ring finger off so that you can make a fist and the blade can go through where your ring is.
01:15:53.000It makes no sense, but the point is, you have a concealed blade.
01:15:56.000It's just, life is so precious and it's really so easy to kill people, and there are a lot of.
01:16:01.000I don't want to sound sketch, it's just that life is so fragile and people have a lot of contact with a lot of people just below the president.
01:16:10.000And it's easy to have relative access to them.
01:16:13.000Especially when so much of the security around the president is just performative.
01:16:17.000I mean, you see all these guys, and not a single one of them saw him running down the hallway until he was already upon them, making his way through.
01:16:51.000I think part of it is the accumulation of weapons beforehand, the checking of the hotel room, and then also casing the joint.
01:17:00.000None of that raised any suspicions with the hotel security, Metro Police, or the Secret Service.
01:17:05.000So I think the example of, okay, maybe not a guy shooting buckshot, but what if he brought in some kind of ordinance, some kind of explosive device?
01:18:27.000They make a billion dollars, go to fundraisers, and then pay NGOs and work with the Soros group because funding DAs across the country is infinitely more successful for their cause.
01:18:38.000I think we are in an era of political assassinations.
01:18:42.000I think the rhetoric online is only incentivizing and encouraging people to get more crazy.0.98
01:18:47.000Society is set up in such a way that people are becoming more mentally ill.
01:19:53.000We need to know where you are, when you are.
01:19:55.000We need to know everyone so that this cannot happen.
01:19:57.000That's going to be a lot of the argument coming up in this era.
01:20:00.000Well, I mean, I think two things can be true, right?
01:20:03.000Like, it can be the case that political assassinations are on the rise, and that may be what it takes.
01:20:08.000I mean, we'd have the conversation around.
01:20:09.000What it means for that type of surveillance and FISA surveillance to exist and would it even be effective?
01:20:15.000But I think it's pretty clear that we're seeing people feel emboldened to take this into their own hands.
01:20:20.000There's other examples of attacks on members of Congress.
01:20:23.000The federal court judge in New Jersey who was shot.
01:20:26.000This stuff is regularly happening in Minneapolis or somewhere in Minnesota.
01:20:29.000There were a couple of council members outside of an Israeli embassy.
01:20:32.000There was a couple of staffers that were shot.
01:20:35.000Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, had a few attacks on him.
01:20:40.000These are the only ones that I could think of off the top of my head, but people.
01:20:43.000Aren't widely condemning this, and people do genuinely believe that the ends justify the means in our political system.
01:20:48.000The more disenfranchised that people feel, the more gerrymandered that districts get, and the less competitive any of these elections are, people will feel more and more disenfranchised.
01:20:57.000And their outlet for that may be violence, unfortunately.
01:21:00.000And I think that the incentive structure really and the support around it we're not condemning Luigi Mangione.
01:21:07.000No, um, Tyler Robinson isn't almost even not being blamed, and Erica Kirk is being made out to be.
01:21:16.000Of course, any violence towards any Jew or Israeli or so called Zionist is justified by the alleged genocide that they're perpetrating.1.00
01:21:23.000Of course, any Trump supporter is fair game because they're racist, fascist supporters.0.98
01:21:26.000So, I think the rhetoric around this is dangerous.0.93
01:21:29.000Of course, we've seen attacks on ICE agents and the doxing of ICE agents.
01:21:33.000I think people want to take it into their own hands, especially the rhetoric online from the left.
01:21:39.000They feel totally justified in what they're doing.
01:21:41.000Well, I mean, the Minneapolis church, the Don Lemon event, right?
01:21:45.000I mean, what they said was it was necessary for us to go into this house of worship because those people needed to know that one of their auxiliary pastors was an ICE agent.
01:21:55.000It doesn't matter if you're interfering with worship or.
01:22:00.000We felt so justified that we had to tell these people, you have a pastor who is evil and a Nazi.0.96
01:22:06.000Well, if they buy into the rhetoric that is being fed to them online and by elected officials, it's hard to blame somebody with a little bit of mental illness for taking this seriously.0.75
01:22:16.000If Trump really is Hitler, if ICE is really the Gestapo, then aren't you doing something good?
01:22:21.000If Israel is really committing genocide and we're supporting Israel in committing that genocide, if you stop the people who are supporting it, Aren't you preventing genocide?0.99
01:22:30.000That's the sort of logical conclusions that a lot of dumb people being misled.0.94
01:22:35.000You know what I always thought was really funny is the.0.99
01:22:41.000I would make him a better human so he didn't go crazy like he did.0.92
01:22:45.000My point is like the conundrum you're presented with is kill a baby or let Hitler happen when it's like you could literally just move the baby to a different building and like it'll get adopted by a different family.0.90
01:22:56.000Butterfly, yeah, you could have that.0.99
01:22:59.000You could literally just take baby Hitler and then bring him to like North Sentinel Island where he'll grow up and just be firing bows and arrows with the North Sentinelese.0.99
01:23:58.000He was chosen to be an order for that movement.
01:24:02.000It was not an anti-communist, counter-communist, because it was like communist.
01:24:05.000I'd like to bring this, I think, full circle to the gerrymandering, because I think that plays a role in this, because again, it gets more, as Tim was saying, more extremist lawmakers elected into office.
01:24:17.000It incentivizes more extreme candidates because they only need to play ball in the primary and not the general.
01:24:22.000And if their rhetoric is getting more extreme, people again have less of an outlet for their politics in these general elections.
01:24:28.000I think you're kind of setting up a powder keg in many senses.
01:24:31.000I thought the same thing earlier when you were talking about that.
01:24:33.000I don't know how to give people their voice back.
01:24:35.000Since Congress was hijacked by the Federal Reserve in 1913, like, obviously they're working for big business.
01:24:40.000The little guy's been suffering under the boot, but they didn't know.0.94
01:25:28.000I think there are some of the similar problems that we experienced in 45.
01:25:33.000There are people who are not aligned with the core parts of what Trump originally ran on, which is rewiring trade to favor the interests of working class Americans, stopping the mass immigration that is destroying the continuity, the coherence of our culture.
01:25:50.000And no foreign entanglements, no forever war.
01:25:54.000So I think there are parts of 47 that are distinct and different.
01:25:59.000I think he has moved out faster on some of the core issues that needed to be addressed.
01:26:06.000But in other ways, I think you see some of the same personnel.
01:26:09.000I know some people, there's been some fracturing of the party.
01:26:12.000I don't know if I'm breaking any news for you here.
01:26:14.000What do you think of the intra MAGA fights that we're seeing as a result of some of the president's policies?
01:26:21.000I guess, particularly on the Iran war, but there's other things too.
01:26:24.000Yeah, look, some of that's really difficult to disentangle from the nefarious influence of social media as a new way of not only just getting clicks, but monetizing.
01:26:37.000So you mentioned the way that a grieving widow is now somehow twisted and reshaped as the villain of the story.
01:26:47.000And there are plenty of people who have a direct incentive, a monetary incentive to do that.
01:26:58.000The biggest voices in this discussion all have some very interesting incentives to part with the president.
01:27:05.000Now, I think a few of the folks who have parted with the president most recently, it is on a question of conviction.
01:27:10.000I think they vehemently disagree with the president's decision to go to war in Iran.0.94
01:27:15.000And I think as the situation plays out in the Strait of Hormuz and its cascading effect on the world economy, I think they feel like they are justified in that opposition.
01:27:23.000So I think the question is now if President Trump were running for re election in 2028, would the coalition?
01:27:30.000That secured his victory this last election 24, be there for him.
01:27:35.000I don't know if that's as much of an interesting question because he wouldn't be able to run again.
01:27:38.000No, I'm saying if he were running, right?
01:27:41.000I think the more interesting question would be would JD Vance or Marco Rubio be able to inherit that coalition?
01:27:47.000Do you think there's a choice for who would be preferable in a MAGA era parent situation?
01:27:53.000Because the president won't be around forever, of course.
01:28:28.000Yeah, no one has lasted this close to the son for this.
01:28:32.000I mean, if you're thinking like French imperial politics, nobody has been this close to the king as a chief courtier for this long and succeeded.
01:28:40.000And it's not like he's only, you know, it's not like he's just running like national parks.
01:28:43.000He's got a pretty important portfolio of issues, and the president obviously favors him.
01:28:49.000It thinks, you know, incredibly highly of the work that he's doing.
01:30:03.000Area 51, of course, the Nevada test site.
01:30:05.0004.4 magnitude earthquake struck 2.5 miles below ground just after 3 p.m. on Wednesday, followed by over a dozen smaller quakes.
01:30:15.000More than 100 people reported feeling the quakes.
01:30:18.000Geophysicist and internet special, uh, internet personality Stephen Burns claimed in a video on X.
01:30:23.000The 4.4 magnitude quake was in an unusual place to get an earthquake, adding that it's particularly shallow.
01:30:29.000Conspiracy theorists have long speculated that aliens are out at the base.
01:30:32.000So, this proves that the aliens are trying to escape and their ship is banging against the ground trying to get out of the underground base.
01:30:39.000I think Scientologists predicted something like that.
01:31:04.000Don't even think twice about it right now.
01:31:07.000It's going to be funny because Eli's sitting here and then one day he's going to die and he's going to find himself walking on a cloud, being like, Where am I?
01:31:13.000He's going to walk up and there's going to be these pearly gates and you're going to be like, Can I come in there and be like, Scientology was the right one and you made fun of him.
01:31:20.000And there's going to be like a bunch of aliens up there and like, Thetans or whatever those things are.
01:32:33.000But, like, they have workout tech where you can hold a metal bar and then stand on a scale and it'll tell you, like, your body mass index and all.
01:32:38.000So it might have been measuring some frequency, but.
01:32:40.000So I think this could work with impressionable people.
01:34:31.000That's truly looking back at 10,000 years when they look back at this era, they were worshiping money and they didn't, maybe some of them didn't even realize that they'd been a doctorate.
01:34:39.000St. Augustine says man has a desire to worship.
01:34:43.000And if you take God from the picture, He will worship something.
01:34:46.000Now, Elon says that the next phase of human currency will be just electricity and your ability to move a payload.
01:34:53.000So, what will we begin to worship then?
01:34:55.000I'm starting to think this Elon guy is full of it.
01:35:01.000Ever since the Doge stuff, and he promised a trillion and only got a billion, I was just like, well, I knew before that too, but that was the nail in the coffin.
01:35:20.000And I think, in a classic engineer's approach to government, I don't think he expected to find so many obstacles from his own side that people within the administration or maybe even within the cabinet were going to say, no, no, no, not this program because this is my part of the deep state and it has to stay.0.75
01:35:39.000I do wish I had as many kids as him, not as many baby mamas, though.
01:38:06.000You have kids who experience life and learn and iterate.
01:38:10.000And the function of life, whether you want to call it purpose, is to organize free energy into complex systems, serving as negative entropy, although operating at a lesser rate than entropy itself.
01:38:22.000Here's what I want to do is prevent World War III.
01:38:57.000Then the U.S. starts moon mining real easily, and with access to these resources, starts growing too rapidly.
01:39:03.000Other nations get threatened, and all of the resources coming from the moon and staying in Earth cause a shift in the rotation of the Earth because now they're displacing weight from the moon onto Earth, causing the Earth to wobble.
01:42:18.000Do you really think they're going to allow us to get back in power and risk them getting arrested?
01:42:21.000They're all implicated in the Epstein files.
01:42:23.000The only way he gets to keep the government buildings with his name, passports, the golden dollars, his statues, his arch, stolen billions, is if the billionaire and he wipes us out and stays in power.
01:42:37.000They can't live with us knowing what we know.
01:42:39.000There is only one outcome in this timeline.
01:42:40.000Unless we change it, we are in grave danger.
01:44:31.000If as soon as it's built, they line all of Trump's assets, just like gold, cars, and then right in the middle is a cryogenic chamber, and Trump just gets in and says, I resign.
01:44:41.000And then lays down and just freezes them right there.
01:45:57.000Well, so the conspiracy theory on the White House shooting is that it was staged to create a legal justification for the ballroom, which is dumb because it doesn't make sense legally.0.60
01:46:06.000You can't go to court and be like, this ex. Extraneous event occurred, therefore, I now have legal standing to build with taxpayer dollars.
01:46:13.000So they're going to be like, these are unrelated things.
01:46:15.000You don't get legal standing based on a thing happening somewhere else.
01:46:18.000I bet they got a big bunker under the White House.
01:46:20.000Under the White House is a network of tunnels.
01:47:02.000There will be like a weird thing where if you don't really think about it, you don't know what it is.
01:47:06.000But if you know where they are, you can see the exits that pop up in the middle of D.C. or somewhere where there are exits to secret escape tunnels.
01:47:12.000And it's completely reasonable for people to dig tunnels every now and then and there's nothing weird about that.
01:47:41.000So we don't get anything we actually want, but all of the worst things imaginable are actually happening.
01:47:45.000Well, I mean, the crazy thing, though, about this picture.
01:47:49.000That's running with this story in time.
01:47:51.000It assumes that we don't have Google Earth imaging.
01:47:54.000Like you could bring up the satellite pictures of what they're building.
01:47:57.000So if it is a massive military complex, China, Iran, everyone already knows about it.
01:48:05.000I'm skeptical of this because they would have done more to secure the site and they would have moved faster to construct even before the lawsuits.
01:48:11.000It's very, also, I don't think you would want it right next to the White House if you were going to build a big military complex.
01:48:16.000You want it farther away so if it gets hit by a missile, it doesn't blow up the entire.
01:48:22.000Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, the one thing a lot of Americans don't understand about the White House is it's a 18th century house that's doing triple, quadruple duty now as the nerve center of the executive branch, as the official sort of meet and greet for the head of state, you know, for the first ladies.
01:48:45.000I mean, when, you know, the thing that liberals made a big deal about in 45, that he came and he was like, wow, this place is kind of a dump.
01:48:50.000I mean, there's so many people going through there, the quarters are cramped.
01:49:41.000So, you've got the Eisenhower building, and this is part of the White House complex, but the White House actually is these three buildings.
01:50:39.000Is that just for people that live there or work there?
01:50:42.000I mean, I think, I mean, the first family, obviously, but I think that's right behind the chief's office, the chief of staff's office is in that corner over there.
01:51:34.000I'm just like, this looks like a hallway, it doesn't look like the entrance.
01:51:37.000It had they retrofitted the uh briefing room?
01:51:39.000I think you mentioned that it was had been cramped or.
01:51:41.000Or somebody that's very correct, they didn't retrofit it, it's very tiny and they can't purposefully keep it that way.
01:51:45.000The last major retrofit of the White House complex was under Harry Truman.
01:51:50.000That they did a significant refit of the facade, they added the balcony on the south lawn.
01:51:56.000I mean, so because a lot of presidents don't want to lose the symbolic power of being in the White House.
01:52:02.000So I think, like, the end of the Clinton presidency, they moved some offices out to do like new paint and new carpet.
01:52:07.000But like, the idea of shutting down the White House for a major retrofit for two or three years.
01:52:13.000While the president works out of a temporary office in the old executive office, no president wants to forego the symbolism of the White House.
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01:54:26.000Codrum says, how about we just get rid of districts?0.61
01:54:29.000Just give proportional seats to each party, i.e., 20 seat state, that's 55, 45, Reg, it's 11 GOP and 9 Dem.
01:54:36.000Not D. Districts are different, and you don't want to be in a blue state where you have no representation.
01:54:43.000Graham says the only reason Michigan is blue is because 60% of voters are in the southeast of the lower peninsula.
01:54:49.000I think Michigan should be two states.
01:55:51.000Is being a fascist worse than being a communist?0.97
01:55:54.000Communists kill more people in history than anyone else.0.87
01:55:57.000Yeah, actually, and fascist countries actually just dissolve.0.71
01:56:00.000Communists, fascist countries eventually just like they dissolve into general elections.0.95
01:56:09.000Communist countries kill everybody until they blow up.
01:56:13.000So I was actually reading an interesting academic article about this that if you look at, you know, Spain, for instance, It eventually just soft turned back into a standard republic.
01:56:24.000Well, after, I mean, Franco wrote a constitution that restored the monarchy and allowed for democratic elections.
01:57:26.000There is a battle going on, and they know that there's this dude who lives in Virginia who's one of the best tacticians ever, but he's just not in the army.
01:57:49.000It's like, Well, you could have a guy who's one of the best in terms of private military stuff.
01:57:57.000Trained with a bunch of crazy top tier guys, and they're going to be like, Sorry, we can hire you privately, but you literally can't join the military unless you go to college.
01:58:05.000Can they do battlefield appointments, commissions?
01:58:15.000I think there is credit that should be given to Hegseth here in getting rid of the idea that promotion through the general officer ranks relies on you getting a degree from Princeton or Harvard.
01:58:27.000But to Tim's point, I mean, like, Look, under the current bureaucratic system we have, you know, MacArthur would have been out before the end of World War II.
01:58:35.000LeMay would have been out because it's promote or you're out, and there's an age cap on promotion.
01:58:40.000So, all this genius that we credit now would have never been in the positions they were in in those pivotal moments because of bureaucracy.
01:58:47.000It's way too bureaucratic and it becomes rigid.
01:58:51.000And I know it's a large organization, so not everyone has the same experience, but the people that I know who have served when I stayed briefly at Fort Carson for about a month and a half when my My sister was living there and I stayed with her.
01:59:05.000And I lived briefly outside of Fort Eustis when my brother was stationed there.
01:59:09.000And the stories that I hear from people there, they're just like, it's like working at Walmart.
01:59:16.000You know, you go to your chain of command, you might go to the chain of command, you might be like, hey, here's a thing that needs to be solved.
01:59:21.000And they're like, the mechanism doesn't allow for us to solve problems that way.
01:59:43.000I think we've already had the discussion with administration people, and it's like, bro, trying to get the Secretary of War to come out here for your show.
01:59:51.000Like, go there, and he'll sit down with you, and he'll talk to you.
01:59:53.000I do think this is why you see such a virulent reaction the antibody reaction from the deep state and the DC elite to Hegseth is because he is changing a lot of the ways that we recruit and we get the general officers, but also some of these really.
02:00:10.000I'm like, well, you can't be an officer unless you went to college, or you can't promote unless you got this fake credential from the executive program.
02:00:18.000Like, there's going to be some dude, and this is the problem with the over reliance on private enterprise to subsidize effectively the failures that we're having in our military.
02:00:29.000Now, by all means, I think it's great if you're signing up, if you're enlisting.
02:00:58.000But it was always so to me, and largely this view is predicated upon this that I knew people who were the best hackers you'd ever see in terms of actual computer networking, real hacking, real computer hacking.
02:01:10.000And they would do private contracts, be outside the chain of command.0.96
02:01:24.000So, what they do is they hire you privately and then you're outside the chain of command.0.99
02:01:27.000And it's just, I think that's dumb.0.98
02:01:29.000I think it's bad for the U.S. military.0.96
02:01:31.000And I think to your point, the over reliance on the private sector subsidy just compensates for the obvious inefficiencies, the pathogens in government.
02:01:42.000I suppose the argument that I've heard is that there's a lot of things you need to know that is administrative about being an officer the functions of the chain of command, the ranks, even pay structures.
02:02:25.000What got it for me is how many times I heard someone who was really passionate and wanted to be in there for a career, but they felt that they were held back by bureaucracy.
02:02:34.000Oh, I think, I mean, really, honestly, I think you're exactly right.
02:02:38.000I would say it's even bigger than the military, though, that we have so many people in our country who are autodidacts, they're self trained, they learned a skill on the farm, they learned a skill from dad, who was a skilled tradesman.
02:02:51.000And unless they have a paper credential saying, oh, you are an expert in this, there's no place in our economy for them.
02:02:57.000And that's just not true with the American experience.
02:03:00.000I mean, America's genius has always been the tinkerer and the garage creates the, you know, the PC.
02:03:06.000Apple was made in a garage by a couple of buddies and a marketing guy.
02:03:29.000I'm really excited for when they finally let me go into the deep underground military bunker they're building at the White House and give me a tour.
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02:04:07.000I put a short up about how to wake people up from when they become an NPC.
02:04:11.000You can snap them back because what's happening is the spirit is like a player that's playing the game of Earth, and you're a character in the game that it's moving around.
02:04:21.000People, sometimes the spirits stray from other humans and they're just walking around without a spirit.
02:04:25.000And when you look them in the eyes and acknowledge them and realize them, the spirit, like wave particle duality, snaps into position.
02:04:33.000And now you have a spirited human in front of you, and they're a player character again.
02:07:36.000So because there's an international treaty, when these other states, like Arizona specifically, file suit saying, we want to ship water from the Great Lakes, they go, Your lawsuit doesn't have standing because it extends to a foreign country, which now involves international relations.
02:07:56.000Only the states, and they have a compact with, yeah, it's like the Great Lakes Compact with Ontario.
02:08:02.000So, the thing about Lake Michigan is that it is getting depleted, and they have to control how much water comes out of it so that it can refill.
02:08:11.000If they consume too much, it will go away and never come back.
02:09:01.000And then they start saying, we want this water.
02:09:04.000The Great Lakes states could secede for that reason.
02:09:08.000Outside of anything political we're watching right now, in the event there's a water catastrophe, these states are going to create their own government.
02:09:15.000And we're not far from a water catastrophe.
02:09:18.000I mean, the fight over the Colorado River Compact involves like, Oh, yeah.
02:10:40.000Is this like flood era, 13,000 years ago kind of thing?
02:10:43.000Or was this more in modern history that this was.
02:10:45.000Well, there was what they call like a 100 year flood that happened, I think, in the 18th century that there was a huge, huge lake that was there.
02:12:11.000So, this is going to be a nuclear bomb right now as the snow should be melting and refilling aquifers and streams and tributaries and all that stuff.
02:12:36.000They have these massive walls of all these PVC tubes.
02:12:40.000They high pressure force water through and the salt.
02:12:43.000Gets left behind, but it's not just salt, it's brine.
02:12:46.000They basically create two substances fresh water and brine.
02:12:51.000So you have salt water and you get fresh water and brine.
02:12:53.000The brine is then just exhausted into the ocean where it's heavy and goes under the waterbed, killing all of the base level organisms, which causes ecological collapse in the region.
02:13:16.000For the time being, though, it doesn't produce enough and it kills way too much of the ocean life.
02:13:23.000Doesn't it also heat the immediate ocean temperature?
02:13:28.000Well, I don't know how much that affects algae, but I interviewed a guy and he's like, it's hot.
02:13:33.000It comes out hot and that produces a problem.
02:13:37.000The other issue is the main reason why big environmentalists don't want to advocate for it, despite the fact that desalinization, like the production of water, should be more environmentally friendly considering the groundwater pumping, is because if we set up desalination plants along the coast, there is a risk we could actually increase salinity of the ocean over a long enough period of time and artificially remove fresh water from the ocean,
02:14:04.000creating an ecological imbalance which would kill off massive fisheries.
02:14:10.000Yeah, dumping it back in for sure is not the way.0.98
02:14:13.000That's like shitting back in the faucet.
02:14:15.000What theoretically could work better is actually just creating irrigation channels, which result in deep inland evaporation and precipitation.
02:15:14.000So, you look at the Nile, you can see how, like, How they're trying to artificially create farmland and stuff.
02:15:21.000There's no organic matter to create arable land because there's not been enough water.
02:15:25.000And here's what people need to understand arable land is dead organisms.
02:15:30.000Where we are in the United States with all of our farmland, you have thousands of years of life dying and creating a soil layer.
02:15:38.000That allows more advanced, or however we don't describe it, more complex forms of life to grow in the corpses of bacteria and dead animals from 100,000 years ago.
02:15:48.000So in places like the Sahara, You can't just put water and expect life to emerge in the short term.
02:15:53.000That's why, even in these areas where you have like these reservoirs, there's nothing growing.
02:15:57.000You can see in some areas where they are, it's really cool actually.
02:16:00.000If you, let me try and find some of these farms they built right here.
02:16:03.000They've artificially created these farms.
02:18:12.000You know, I'm sure it hasn't improved much since you were in the Trump admin, but I've always been curious or I don't know, worked myself up mentally about it.0.91
02:18:25.000But how much of an impact for the Neocon never trumper contingent and then the.0.86
02:18:36.000I want to play a friendly, proper game of checkers while I watch the left play murder ball type of Republican.0.92
02:18:43.000Well, murder ball is good for paraplegics.
02:18:50.000It induces rage when I think about these types of people.
02:18:53.000But how big of an impact are they on getting legislation and getting investigations and just getting things done, at least the MAGA type of agenda?
02:19:25.000I mean, I'm known for being pretty dark by disposition.
02:19:30.000And I mean, I'll just tell you, like, in the 45 in the White House, there were like, I think, you know, a buddy of mine would say there was maybe at tops, like, 10 of us who were actually on board with the MAGA agenda who worked there.
02:19:47.000And then when you look at Congress, this is why I say it's like one of the darker takes on the Trump era we haven't done much to reconfigure the elected Republicans in Congress.
02:20:00.000They're largely the same people who were there in the Bush years.
02:20:04.000And sure, some of them have tried on new clothing and call themselves MAGA and they've got the red cap.
02:20:09.000But most of them, their policy preferences are the same as they've always been.
02:20:13.000And a good example of this is the Save America Act.
02:20:21.000Like, that's 80% popularity across the board in America.
02:20:24.000And there's not any will, any will from Senate leadership to advance this piece of legislation.
02:20:31.000And think of it they've got the richest dude in the world, they've got the president of the United States, they have 80% of the voting electorate saying, we need this, do it.
02:20:45.000And just to give you like a little inside baseball here, one of the reasons why they haven't brought it forward is because they say, well, the Senate parliamentarian will strike it down if we try to attach it.
02:22:50.000But you look at some of the reddest states in America and they elect moderate, sort of rhino, cuck, use whatever pejorative you want to use Republicans who, you know, want to do bipartisan deals and are there just to hang out and be a U.S. senator.
02:23:07.000The leftist states in the union are all about maximizing ideological outcomes.
02:23:13.000The rightist states in the union basically elect people who are just there to be in the club.
02:23:18.000And I think that asymmetry is why you see the Save America Act just die on the vine.
02:24:14.000In to help people who are on a negative trail where they're seeking to harm themselves and it leads to an eventual end that isn't preferable.
02:24:27.000You mean, like, do we stop someone from committing suicide?
02:24:53.000So, I think it's a sliding scale for who you are saying we as.
02:24:57.000So, if this is your friend, then you get involved a lot sooner than if this was just some acquaintance of yours, different from if it's your parents, different if it's your siblings.
02:25:07.000If you're asking from the standpoint of the government, when should the government get involved?
02:25:11.000They'd have to be pretty far down the rabbit hole, if at all, that I think the government should get involved in this, uh, something like this.
02:25:18.000The government in particular, I think it's a problem for civil society to deal with.
02:25:22.000And we always look to government, I think, to solve some of these issues, but we can do them in civil society through different institutions that exist beyond the government, like churches and different community groups.
02:25:34.000So I think, you know, on the personal level, it depends on how close you are with the person.
02:25:39.000I mean, the truth is, we just need a strong moral society to say we're going to do it.
02:25:56.000I think people who have strong virtues tend to be less willing to engage in conflict than people without them.
02:26:05.000So when you look historically at every single country, they always just degrade until they collapse completely into, you know, Sodom and Gomorrah esque degeneracy.
02:26:15.000And then from the ashes, the strong rise up.1.00
02:26:18.000I'm thinking about the transing stuff.0.99
02:26:29.000If you saw, if you were walking down the street and you saw a woman on a bed pregnant and a doctor had the forceps and he said, I am now going to kill the baby, would you shoot the doctor?
02:26:44.000Well, I, you know, the taking, that's a classic sort of moral kind of, Bernard Williams, the classic moral ethicist, he lays out that scenario.
02:26:54.000I think what you have to do is you body rush the doctors and you use something short of murder.
02:26:59.000To prevent the murder of another innocent.
02:27:02.000But see, the problem with this is this is the justification.
02:27:18.000But if the doctor says, And now you die, and he goes to put the forceps in, you say, I would tackle him?0.99
02:27:23.000There's a clear moral distinction between these two acts.
02:27:25.000And for that reason, conservatives are unwilling to.
02:27:30.000Despite agreeing that abortion is murder because taking of an innocent life, they're unwilling to take the same action in different circumstances.
02:27:38.000That alone, I think, is indicative of integrity.0.53
02:27:41.000It's indicative of an attempt to protect, but it also means that the communists.
02:27:58.000Like, this is the difference between Franco and a lot of.
02:28:02.000The people we have now, which is Franco saw the unrepentant slaughter of innocent nuns, of the clergy, of innocent monarchists, and said, Yeah, we'll bring the same fight to them until they quit.
02:28:32.000And then said, We're a dictatorship now, but built the structure so that it could convert into a republic, a democratic, republican kind of system.
02:28:41.000And then when he died, it just sort of became that.
02:28:44.000There was no economic collapse, no great mass murder.
02:28:50.000To answer your question a little bit, too, about ideologies, if you can, how to help people or when you should step in when someone has a poisoned ideology, that takes me to the root ideology of fear.
02:29:01.000When you know someone that's living in fear, the antidote isn't to make them stop.
02:29:07.000Because you can't make someone stop being afraid.
02:29:09.000You can make them brave by being brave.
02:29:12.000You make them smoke the whole carton.0.97
02:29:14.000So if someone's like, I'm trans, be like, okay, we're doing it right now.1.00
02:29:17.000I'm going to chop off your dick and we're going to get it done.1.00
02:30:48.000So the moral dilemma is will you be willing to risk your own life to save other people who are also risking their life to save other people?
02:31:51.000If you say there's a room full of lions that haven't eaten in three days and they're hungry, you can choose to go in the room.
02:31:59.000If at least 50% of humans go in the room, the lions all get scared and run away.0.99
02:32:03.000It's like, well, don't go in the fucking room with the lions.1.00
02:32:06.000And here's the point the point is this should it not be that someone stupid enough to go into the room with lions should die?0.99
02:32:13.000So, Tim, if I may, that actually cuts a lot to my point because I used to be a couple years ago very much like we have to save everyone.0.99
02:32:23.000And as I've gotten a little bit older, even though I'm young and dumb at just 24, I've come to the conclusion that there are just those so determined to rot in sickness and they want to burn everything around them that.
02:32:38.000It is not our job to save them because part of being saved is you have to choose to be saved.
02:32:44.000I think society's purpose and government's purpose is to protect the majority and commit the best good to the majority as possible.
02:33:21.000We should be reliant on each other and ourselves instead.
02:33:24.000One of the problems that we have as humanity, and it may actually be a function of evolution, humanity, and adaptation, is that let's say you're in a ship and you're sailing in the seven seas and you crash on an island and there's 10 people.
02:35:41.000So the issue is someone drew a picture in Paintbrush where it's a bunch of blue people standing under a hydraulic press, and the red people are going, Guys, get out from underneath that.0.90
02:36:00.000Well, you guys are the meat grinder people.
02:36:01.000So, I mean, my first thought was when that guy was like, Gimme, I was like, We all go walk to the beach to go work, and we're like, we know where our next meal is now.
02:36:31.000I was going to say on the island situation, I don't know if you guys saw this riff recently about.
02:36:36.000You know, Anthony Burgess, who wrote, or sorry, William Holding, who wrote Lord of the Flies, it was based on an account of young British boys who ended up on an island.
02:36:46.000And what those boys actually did was exactly what Tim just described.
02:36:50.000They like assigned tasks, they worked together collaboratively.
02:36:53.000And that's a mark, really, of Western civilization.
02:36:56.000Like that people come together to collaborate.
02:36:59.000There's a moral ecology, there's like a virtue that's hardwired into the way we've been raised.
02:37:05.000The evolutionary, psychological, and biological theory is that.
02:37:09.000The people who moved further north who chose not to work died in the winter.
02:37:14.000The people who moved further north who worked industriously all year round survived, had kids, and created cities based on the ethos and genetic structure of I must work 24 7.
02:37:26.000However, the people who came from areas where there was abundant year round food and didn't have to work sat around, they slept, they don't have to do anything.
02:37:34.000You take these two different groups of people and put them in the same place, and you're going to have one group of people that works really hard and the other side saying, Gimme.