Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - ICE Employee ARRESTED, Accused of SHOOTING Protester | Timcast IRL

00:02:04.000 This past weekend at an Aurora, Colorado ice facility, there was a protester shot.

00:02:11.000 Now, the media is reporting as an ICE employee, but he was a contractor working for, I believe it was GEO Corp.

00:02:19.000 Now, this is a big corporation.

00:02:21.000 They do basically half of the detainment for ICE.

00:02:26.000 But I think that the nuance does matter.

00:02:28.000 So we're going to get into that.

00:02:30.000 There was also a big issue in the UK, Anne Whitcomb. Was murdered.

00:02:36.000 Now she is a politician, right?

00:02:40.000 Tate? 0.99

00:02:40.000 Yes. 0.99

00:02:41.000 So she's formerly a politician, but it was such a gruesome murder.

00:02:44.000 Someone broke into her house, struck her 21 times in the head with a hammer, and then stole her wallet.

00:02:50.000 So we're going to have Tate give us the background on that one.

00:02:53.000 This morning, OpenAI had a rogue AI.

00:02:58.000 So it basically was built in a sandbox for what they call like a gym learning facility.

00:03:04.000 And it managed to escape the gym.

00:03:07.000 It connected to Hugging Face, I think, is the AI, and it basically did all the things that Ultron did save tried to take over the world.

00:03:16.000 So, this is a big issue, particularly with how people are reacting to data centers and flock cameras.

00:03:22.000 We're going to get into a heated discussion about that, I'm sure.

00:03:26.000 The House has passed a bill to limit stock purchases for members of Congress.

00:03:31.000 I don't think that this is actually going to be something that is going to make a big impact on the average person's life, but I know that there's a lot of people that really get upset about the fact. 0.56

00:03:42.000 That basically all the people in Congress are crooks.

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00:04:37.000 So joining us to talk about all these things and more, we've got the Native Patriot.

00:04:42.000 Hey, I'm the Native Patriot.

00:04:44.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:04:45.000 I'm a Christian American supremacist, co creator of the Patriots Prayer Network, and co host on the Can't Be Bought podcast on YouTube.

00:04:54.000 Second time, right?

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00:04:56.000 Returning guest.

00:04:57.000 Brett's here.

00:04:57.000 What's going on, guys?

00:04:59.000 Yep, normally doing PCC Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern, which is, of course, noon Pacific.

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00:05:06.000 How are you doing, Tate?

00:05:07.000 I'm doing all right.

00:05:08.000 What's going on, Patriots?

00:05:09.000 Tate Brown, you're holding it down and happy to be here.

00:05:12.000 As am I holding it down with you, Tate and Phil.

00:05:15.000 Let's get into it, dude.

00:05:17.000 All right.

00:05:17.000 So let's see.

00:05:19.000 From the border report, Colorado ICE facility employee arrested, accused of shooting a protester.

00:05:25.000 Now, like I said earlier, he's not technically an employee of ICE.

00:05:28.000 This wasn't a law enforcement agent.

00:05:30.000 This is a guy that works for the GEO group.

00:05:34.000 And the GEO group is a, they basically run prisons for basically whoever will pay them.

00:05:40.000 Private sector prisons?

00:05:42.000 Yeah, private sector.

00:05:42.000 Oh, it's going to be a good episode tonight.

00:05:43.000 This is fantastic.

00:05:44.000 They do about 50% of ICE prisons.

00:05:47.000 Holding facilities now.

00:05:49.000 So, like I said, from the border report, a man who works for the GEO group allegedly shot a woman protesting near the ICE processing center in Aurora, Colorado on Thursday night, according to a press release from the Aurora Police Department on Friday afternoon.

00:06:01.000 The man identified as 42 year old Brandon Booth was arrested after fleeing the scene in his vehicle, police say.

00:06:07.000 Just before 7 30 p.m. on Thursday, Aurora police responded to reports of a shooting at the 3100 block of North Nome Street.

00:06:14.000 When officers arrived, they located two women, one who had suffered a gunshot wound to the lower body, and another who was unharmed.

00:06:20.000 Officers stopped the vehicle a short distance away, and the vehicle with the gun inside was seized.

00:06:25.000 Both identified as the driver was detained.

00:06:27.000 I'm sorry, Booth identified as the driver was detained.

00:06:30.000 Investigators said an initial investigation revealed the woman were.

00:06:32.000 The women were part of a protest taking place near the Aurora Ice Processing Center.

00:06:36.000 So basically, this guy's trying to get to work.

00:06:39.000 They're out in front of his car making a bunch of noise. 0.99

00:06:42.000 And then he gets all shooty in a stupid way because apparently the woman was walking away. 0.99

00:06:47.000 So she was shot in the back. 0.99

00:06:49.000 And he was also, thankfully, a bad shot because the injuries were not life threatening.

00:06:58.000 This is like, for somebody who's a huge gun rights activist, this is like the worst possible scenario you can have for something like.

00:07:04.000 This is because it's the opposite of what people who actually own and respect firearms try to preach to people, which is to have reverence for what you have and be very careful when using it.

00:07:16.000 And you should not do so unless your life is threatened.

00:07:18.000 Her back was turned to him.

00:07:19.000 And it makes, first of all, it's bad for people who own guns.

00:07:22.000 And it's twice as bad for ICE, who's like literally every time I'm on the show, which is like once a week, it's like something's happening at an ICE facility.

00:07:29.000 And I don't know if it happens every day and it's just when I'm here, but it seems like a really bad bit of publicity all around.

00:07:35.000 Yeah.

00:07:36.000 He was off duty.

00:07:37.000 So, he wasn't technically at work yet.

00:07:40.000 So, he was not acting in any security capacity.

00:07:43.000 She was walking away, like I said.

00:07:45.000 And the GEO group operates the Aurora facility under ICE contract.

00:07:50.000 And, like, to your point, Brett, like, look, if you're going to carry a gun, which everybody knows I carry a gun, you have to de escalate, right?

00:07:57.000 You have to do everything you can to avoid using any kind of self defense.

00:08:02.000 And if you, I mean, if you have a gun, you avoid confrontations.

00:08:05.000 You remember me and you were on a show, I think it was another day when you were running the show.

00:08:10.000 About the guy who his house got robbed and he followed him into the street.

00:08:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:15.000 Like, it's the same thing, right?

00:08:17.000 It's horrible PR and it makes everybody look bad.

00:08:20.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a law too.

00:08:21.000 I wouldn't even know if you could relate those two.

00:08:23.000 This sounds more like that.

00:08:25.000 I think that guy in Brazil who just like was in a traffic jam and there was a protest and he just walked out and just started shooting.

00:08:31.000 Yeah.

00:08:32.000 It's almost like there's a fatigue that has built up for a long time and whatever was going on in this guy's life, he just decided to throw it all away.

00:08:40.000 Is that the one with the guy with the famous picture?

00:08:42.000 Oh, yes.

00:08:42.000 Okay, that was the first thing I thought of.

00:08:44.000 And I was like, that didn't happen here, right?

00:08:46.000 No, it was in Brazil.

00:08:47.000 I just saw somebody repost it.

00:08:49.000 It said, I think about this guy sometimes.

00:08:51.000 Because he just has, like, he looks like dead eyed George Lucas.

00:08:54.000 He's just fed up.

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 Just completely fatigued.

00:08:57.000 And I mean, you would imagine that there was something else going on in his life to where he was just decided, today's the day to throw it all away.

00:09:06.000 Falling down in real life, right?

00:09:08.000 Like, you know, it's like, oh, just like the movie.

00:09:11.000 But no, to your point, the.

00:09:13.000 The idea that people have gotten tired of the protesting.

00:09:19.000 And especially if you're someone that works at an ice facility and you're just like, man, I just want to get to work.

00:09:26.000 Again, this is totally irresponsible behavior, but this is the goal of people on the left.

00:09:33.000 I mean, this couldn't have worked out any better for the ice protesters.

00:09:37.000 I mean, from CPR News, the woman shot outside Aurora Ice Facility returns to protest.

00:09:43.000 So she was shot on Thursday, and she's back.

00:09:46.000 What was it?

00:09:47.000 When was this posted?

00:09:48.000 This was posted yesterday, I think it was the 20th.

00:09:50.000 Or no, this was Monday.

00:09:53.000 Just days after she was shot at a protest, 22 year old Emma Landis spoke to supporters at the scene of the crime.

00:09:58.000 The shooting, which made national headlines, happened at the end of a protest outside the facility in Aurora on Thursday.

00:10:03.000 Police arrested Brandon Booth, an employee of the facility operator GEO Group, shortly after.

00:10:10.000 He shot me in the right foot.

00:10:11.000 We were on the sidewalk.

00:10:13.000 Sorry for laughing, but he shot me in the right foot.

00:10:17.000 We were on the sidewalk protesting, and they were mocking us and threatening us.

00:10:20.000 And as we were crossing the street, that's when he shot me, Landis said in a demonstration Saturday at the facility.

00:10:24.000 Oh, so apparently she wasn't even shot in the back, she was shot in the foot.

00:10:27.000 Never in a million years did I think that would happen.

00:10:30.000 That's a problem too, right? 0.95

00:10:32.000 Not imagining that encroaching on other people and causing problems to them could lead to somebody doing something really stupid and possibly harming you is something you should actually be thinking about. 0.90

00:10:41.000 Yeah.

00:10:41.000 I mean, even though this guy wasn't law enforcement, anytime you go and harass people that are doing their job, there could be consequences.

00:10:53.000 Unfortunately, this person was shot in the foot.

00:10:56.000 And I mean, unfortunately, she was shot.

00:10:58.000 Not saying that it was unfortunately.

00:11:00.000 I think we know what you mean.

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 Want to clear that up.

00:11:04.000 I don't want anybody clearing it.

00:11:05.000 The Marxists would have loved it if they could have gotten it on film so they could have cut out the part where she's bothering him and only cut, you know, show the part where she gets shot.

00:11:13.000 They'd have like superimposed like a nuclear explosion going on.

00:11:18.000 I think this is one of those stories where I don't think I really have a dog in this fight.

00:11:22.000 I mean, I really do detest the ICE protesters.

00:11:26.000 I think they're, I was mentioning it before the show, I think they're the only set of protesters that I feel directly offended by.

00:11:33.000 You know, I think it's okay actually to get offended.

00:11:35.000 Triggered sometimes if there is like a serious, if they are seriously undercutting your life in any meaningful way.

00:11:42.000 And ICE is carrying out this operation that A is defending the sovereignty of the United States, which matters, you know, so much to me as an American, as it should be to any American.

00:11:51.000 And then, yeah, secondarily, just the way that they conduct themselves is just very, it's preventing these officers from doing their jobs.

00:11:58.000 And often in many cases, so I really don't like these protesters whatsoever.

00:12:04.000 And on the flip side, I don't think I would ever shoot at someone because they were like bothering me.

00:12:08.000 So, especially a woman walking away.

00:12:10.000 That's like, yeah, it seems just really odd all around, yeah.

00:12:14.000 So, I'm just like, how it got to that point.

00:12:16.000 So, I'm just like, you know what?

00:12:17.000 I don't think I really have a dog in this fight.

00:12:19.000 I mean, like, let's not shoot at protesters, but also let's not, you know, harass ICE agents who are doing carrying out an operation that was voted on by the American people.

00:12:30.000 So, you know, in both cases, I think, uh, horrific, but no, yeah, I mean, like, yeah, we probably should be shooting at, uh, horrific is a little extreme.

00:12:38.000 Well, I think what the ICE protesters are doing is horrific, yeah.

00:12:41.000 Um, I think the gentleman there.

00:12:43.000 This happens a lot in the United States where people get in road rage incidents or crash out or whatever.

00:12:47.000 It's just this time it happened to be outside of an ice facility.

00:12:50.000 But it's funny because this story broke and it took like three hours before I finally figured out what was going on.

00:12:57.000 Because initially I was like, oh, wow, I shot someone else, you know, outside of this ice.

00:13:00.000 I wonder what this is going to be.

00:13:01.000 And then like three hours later it came out.

00:13:03.000 It wasn't even an ice officer or anything.

00:13:05.000 I was just like, oh, well, the headline rushed out did not properly communicate that, you know, when you hear outside of an ice facility, that's sort of.

00:13:13.000 Trying to lead you to think something happened.

00:13:16.000 That'd be like a road rage shooting happening outside of a police department.

00:13:16.000 Yeah, the whole thing.

00:13:20.000 They'd say, oh, shooting outside the police department.

00:13:22.000 You go, oh my gosh, you know, the cops must have shot someone.

00:13:24.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 I mean, the whole framing of it is intended to mislead people, or at least to, you know, people that would read the headline, they want to be like, oh, see, it's another ICE agent that has shot a protester or, you know, shot an innocent person or whatever.

00:13:38.000 And I was making this point before the show, like, when it was, you know, when you were talking about the Iraq war.

00:13:45.000 Anytime Blackwater got into any kind of gunfight or did anything that was outside the rules, they were very clear that they were contractors.

00:13:54.000 There was a very clear delineation between people in the military and Blackwater contractors, even though Blackwater contractors are the ones that were protecting, you know, they were protecting the.

00:14:05.000 Off the fields?

00:14:07.000 No, they were protecting. 0.63

00:14:08.000 Oh, no, that was Afghanistan.

00:14:09.000 Sorry.

00:14:09.000 They were protecting, like, diplomats, like, ambassadors and stuff like that.

00:14:12.000 They would use private security to do that a lot of times.

00:14:15.000 And every time that something happened, like I said, they made it very clear it was not U.S. military.

00:14:20.000 It was not U.S. military.

00:14:21.000 It was the contractors.

00:14:22.000 It was the contractors.

00:14:23.000 The way that the government could shift blame, basically.

00:14:26.000 And.

00:14:26.000 Basically, the media went along with it because the media doesn't love private military contractors any more than, you know, than basically any other left wing person would.

00:14:35.000 So it was very easy for them to go ahead and, oh, yeah, it was contractors with contractors.

00:14:40.000 And in this context, the headlines and stuff basically do everything they can to lead you to believe that it was an ICE employee, that it was someone that actually worked for ICE, probably hoping that you're going to think that it was some kind of law enforcement agent, which technically, I guess this guy would be a corrections officer of some kind.

00:15:00.000 But it's definitely not the same kind of thing as, you know, when ICE agents are trying to grab someone off the street and then a protester puts themselves in between the protest or in between the suspect and the law enforcement officer and the officer shoots them.

00:15:13.000 Tries to drive over them with a car.

00:15:14.000 Or something along those lines.

00:15:15.000 I think it just illustrates how slow the news cycle is right now when it's like a crazy person shoots another crazy person in the foot and everyone's like, oh, wow, this is really interesting.

00:15:23.000 We should really stop everywhere.

00:15:25.000 We should stop everywhere.

00:15:26.000 Deportations.

00:15:26.000 Yeah, literally.

00:15:27.000 I think it just shows you like one of two things is one that I think these people that are spinning up these stories are trying to realize that, like, Typically, these shootings are fairly justified from ISIS perspective.

00:15:37.000 And then, secondarily, that there really isn't that much news going on.

00:15:40.000 And so they're like, all right, well, let's run the story about a crazy person getting in a road rage incident with another crazy person and firing at them.

00:15:48.000 Like that happens, I don't know, probably at least once a day in the country, probably even more than that.

00:15:53.000 The media definitely doesn't want to talk about the DSA or the Democrat Party right now, the split in the Democrat Party and how the DSA is basically taking over the Democrat Party.

00:16:02.000 So they're going to do everything they can to talk about.

00:16:04.000 Any other topic.

00:16:05.000 How long do you think that'll take?

00:16:07.000 For the DSA to take over?

00:16:09.000 I mean, I don't know that I could really put a time frame on it.

00:16:13.000 A few years, I assume.

00:16:14.000 I think the next Democrat primary will ultimately be kind of the referendum on the DSA because up until now, we haven't seen a DSA candidate really contest the.

00:16:24.000 We haven't seen a primary from the Democrats in a long time, too.

00:16:27.000 Well, true.

00:16:27.000 Yeah.

00:16:28.000 So I think 2028, if you see an AOC throw a hat in the ring, which seems likely at this point, she's already basically campaigning. 0.99

00:16:35.000 That will be now us to kind of get a heat check on.

00:16:38.000 Where's the national Democrats?

00:16:39.000 Well, they're creating strongholds in places like Washington State.

00:16:41.000 So, where I'm from, they're on the Charter Review Board and they're changing the charter.

00:16:47.000 Like, our sheriff in Pierce County is Keith Swank.

00:16:51.000 And it's like the only person that has ever won since I've been voting that I voted for was Keith Swank.

00:17:00.000 Yeah.

00:17:02.000 And the Democrats and the communists there in Washington basically hate him because he said that men are men and women are women.

00:17:10.000 That's pretty much it.

00:17:11.000 And so our elected sheriff is now, they're changing the rules to where they can remove the elected sheriff and then select their own.

00:17:20.000 And I mean, along with a litany of other things that they're doing behind the scenes, but these places, you know, the West Coast, basically any blue state, they're quietly implementing rules to secure their future stranglehold of our rights.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the dynamic we've seen this far at the DSA they run up the numbers.

00:17:41.000 In very blue areas, you know, your Seattle's, your Portland's, your New York City's, Chicago's, you know, your major cities.

00:17:47.000 But they really struggle to penetrate any suburban districts or even rural districts.

00:17:52.000 There's barely any left that are Democrat, but the ones that exist.

00:17:55.000 And they also struggle to really break through in a lot of the kind of more historically ethnic districts, like in South Texas, the Hispanic districts or the black districts in the South.

00:18:03.000 So I think it'll be interesting to see now at the national level.

00:18:06.000 It's like, okay, we've been building up all this enthusiasm and activism base and racking up victories in urban centers.

00:18:12.000 Let's see you do it on the national scale.

00:18:15.000 And I kind of struggle to see if that's really going to manifest because.

00:18:20.000 You know, the Democrat Party, I think to your point, is still probably maybe a decade away from a DSA candidate being truly viable because there's still a lot of baby boomers in the Democrat Party and there's not much of an appetite for socialism among them.

00:18:31.000 You say it seemed like it would be more, you said like this election cycle is a bit of a referendum, and it seems like it would be more like two election cycles from now will be an idea of just how far they've penetrated into the.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, the next one will be the heat check.

00:18:43.000 Like, okay, are they really in the driver's seat?

00:18:44.000 And I would say probably not.

00:18:46.000 And then the following one will be like, all right, well, let's see it.

00:18:48.000 Like now you got this is your situation. 0.85

00:18:50.000 The boomers at that point in two cycles. 0.97

00:18:53.000 Maybe a quarter of them to a third of them will be dead by then. 0.89

00:18:55.000 So that's when it'll be like, all right, are the young people really into this kind of thing?

00:18:59.000 Like, what's the situation?

00:19:00.000 What's the future of the Democrat Party?

00:19:02.000 I think that'll ultimately be the election that determines.

00:19:04.000 The DSA is kind of a millennial party, right?

00:19:07.000 They get their strength with the millennials.

00:19:09.000 I don't know how popular they are with like Gen Z, but Gen Z is kind of a non issue because not only do young people not particularly vote, there's also very few of them comparatively, right?

00:19:19.000 The numbers are actually less radical than the DSA.

00:19:25.000 What was that?

00:19:26.000 I think Gen Z is actually more right leaning.

00:19:29.000 I've been hearing that a lot, I thought. 0.68

00:19:30.000 Well, I think there's like two dynamics there, which is Gen Z is a really interesting study because it's the first generation of its kind in America, insofar as it's 50% white, 50% non white, when the country is about 70% white. 0.52

00:19:43.000 So, what you're going to see as Gen Z moves up the ranks is I think people are saying, oh, it's the most right leaning generation ever, it's the most Christian generation ever.

00:19:51.000 And then, when you actually see studies and data and polling on Gen Z, and I'm saying this as a Zoomer, I'm 25.

00:19:57.000 That's not borne out in the data.

00:19:58.000 It's true that the trends have slowed down.

00:20:00.000 So they're not secularizing at the same rate that millennials did.

00:20:03.000 And they're not as liberal as millennials were at this point.

00:20:05.000 But they're still continuing the trend that you would expect to see. 0.77

00:20:08.000 Now, the interesting thing is if you read the crosstabs among white Zoomers, they are very right wing and very Christian. 0.94

00:20:16.000 But with a lot of Zoomers of immigrant backgrounds and also of like black background, they're very left wing. 0.80

00:20:24.000 And so what you're really seeing here, and then obviously there's white Zoomers that are left wing and vice versa, but we're talking generalizations here. 0.97

00:20:30.000 So, what you're going to see is kind of the showdown. 0.79

00:20:33.000 I think politics is going to get more racial. 0.93

00:20:35.000 And in addition to that, I think you're going to see more polarization because there's not really any moderate Zoomers. 0.92

00:20:41.000 Like, it's very uncouth to be a centrist Zoomer. 0.99

00:20:43.000 You can look at the big streamers like Asmongold and Hassan Piker. 0.60

00:20:47.000 I know that they have feuds all the time, but I mean, Hassan Piker just came out and did a speech just as like Mao.

00:20:52.000 Yeah.

00:20:53.000 Yeah.

00:20:53.000 And he's well supported.

00:20:56.000 And a lot of people will kind of just push that to the side.

00:20:58.000 But, you know, with people like Mandami winning and, You know, Hassan still somehow being popular.

00:21:07.000 It's just radicalization by both groups and just American culture in general being completely lost in the mix. 0.61

00:21:15.000 It's going to be, you know, it's going to be the communists versus Asian Americans.

00:21:22.000 It's going to be Zumerwaffen versus communists. 0.98

00:21:26.000 Yeah, that's the case. 0.96

00:21:26.000 Zumerwaffen. 0.96

00:21:27.000 Yeah, I don't know why I haven't heard that.

00:21:29.000 No, I mean, that's like literally what's going to happen.

00:21:31.000 And I think that the to your point, Tate, about the racialization of our politics.

00:21:37.000 That actually is a victory for the left because the left are who have been pushing the racialization.

00:21:43.000 When I was young, because I'm an old guy, right?

00:21:45.000 When I was young, you did have a larger majority of white people in the US, but we didn't think about our race, right?

00:21:54.000 We didn't think politically when it comes to race.

00:21:57.000 It was just like, well, you know, we want to be, you know, we were basically liberals, right?

00:22:02.000 And when I say liberals, I mean like what in the classical sense, right?

00:22:04.000 And that was something that's totally evaporated now, right?

00:22:06.000 Yeah, what you're saying.

00:22:07.000 You can't be that way anymore.

00:22:08.000 But it used to be where it was uncouth to talk about, you know, well, I'm white and I think about the fact that I'm white.

00:22:14.000 And now, Because the left has pushed the racial politics and the desire to awaken a critical racial consciousness, which people talk about.

00:22:25.000 You know, it's probably not something people hear all the time nowadays, but back in 2020, people were talking about CRT, critical race theory, and how big of a deal it was.

00:22:33.000 Well, the goal of critical race theory was to awaken a critical racial consciousness.

00:22:38.000 And Jordan Peterson was talking about this in 2016 when he would say, look, you don't want to have white people decide that they're going to vote.

00:22:47.000 As white people.

00:22:48.000 Like, this is not something that's going to be good for our politics.

00:22:51.000 We don't want to have people thinking about their race first.

00:22:53.000 But that, you know, and he was predicting it, like I said, 10 years ago.

00:22:57.000 2020 comes around and CRTs basically in all the schools and stuff.

00:23:01.000 And then people notice they're like, oh, wow, you know, you're supposed to think about your race first.

00:23:07.000 And you're going to see that become something, like you said, you're going to see that become something really important in the politics in the United States.

00:23:14.000 And, you know, right, wrong, or indifferent.

00:23:17.000 That is the future, and that is a victory for the left because that was their goal and has been their goal for ages.

00:23:22.000 Kind of.

00:23:24.000 Yeah.

00:23:25.000 I mean, it's almost necessary at this point because of the anti white propaganda that's been going around for a long time. 0.74

00:23:33.000 In order to preserve the white race, I mean, you're saying the Gen Z is now 50 50. 0.69

00:23:41.000 Yeah, three. 0.93

00:23:43.000 You'd actually have to have white people aware that the white race should continue. 0.95

00:23:49.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:23:49.000 It has to be a conscious choice. 0.92

00:23:51.000 Yeah. 0.54

00:23:51.000 Because I have many white family, like half my family's white. 0.54

00:23:55.000 And I remember after the 2016 election, one of my relatives came up to me and they were very TDS, but they were like, I'm worried about you.

00:24:06.000 And I was like, why are you worried about me?

00:24:09.000 Like, I'm worried about you.

00:24:11.000 And they had no idea, it never registered that they're white and that there's this anti white propaganda because they were so bought into it at that point.

00:24:20.000 Where they believed that the white supremacists were going to rule over the whole thing.

00:24:24.000 But it's like there was no idea to actually preserve the white race in general.

00:24:31.000 It wasn't just a no idea. 0.80

00:24:33.000 The idea that it was something that was an idea you weren't allowed to have.

00:24:38.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 If you thought about being a white person, it was like, oh, you think about being a white person. 1.00

00:24:44.000 That's because you're a racist. 1.00

00:24:45.000 It went hand in hand. 0.97

00:24:46.000 And what you were describing earlier when you were saying, well, people are starting to have this kind of racial consciousness, at least among white people, I think everybody else already has for a long time. 0.55

00:24:54.000 Is really what you're describing there is just the demise of liberalism broadly because post racialism, the idea that, like, you know, it's just skin deep, but it's actually like there's no other differences between anyone, et cetera.

00:25:07.000 Like MLK's vision for the United States, that's like a uniquely liberal idea.

00:25:11.000 So, what you're outlining is more we're just seeing the disillusion of liberalism, which has been observed by political scientists all across the world.

00:25:17.000 You're seeing it in Europe, you're even seeing it, you know, in Asia and pretty much everywhere in the world, actually.

00:25:22.000 So, really, what you're describing is this abandonment of post racialism insofar as Like this idea that white people always behave this way, that like we always were just like, I don't know, man, like, we, you know, we're all individuals or whatever.

00:25:32.000 Like individualism is a very liberal idea, strictly speaking, in this certain aspect.

00:25:38.000 And before the 1960s, I mean, we had like racial requirements for immigration.

00:25:43.000 Like, you know, white people did have this understanding that like the United States, the demographic composition of the United States is that way for a reason, whether it's good or bad, that's the debate, but that's the reality.

00:25:54.000 And so they had this kind of understanding of like, well, if we're conservatives, then we should just seek to conserve everything, like conserve everything about society.

00:26:01.000 So, yeah, this idea that like, you know, we're like losing post racialism and this is like the left pushing identity politics.

00:26:09.000 I guess my counter argument would just be that.

00:26:11.000 I think everything, all politics is derivative of identity.

00:26:13.000 Like every action that someone makes is derivative of an identity, whether it's racial, sure, but whether it's religious, whether it's, you know, your class, which I think is a little overstated, or, you know, whether it's like a direct family or a specific ethnicity, you know, you're Italian, you're Irish, or whatever.

00:26:30.000 Whatever identity that you have from birth, people have always operated politically in that understanding.

00:26:35.000 Like the idea that anyone is truly this individual rational being, I think is a very liberal argument that just sounds nice.

00:26:42.000 And I do wish the world was that way.

00:26:43.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:26:45.000 It's just not really reflected in people's behaviors when it comes to how they operate politically.

00:26:49.000 We just had this 50 year blip after MLK, the Civil Rights Act, where there was this idea that maybe we were moving towards MLK's America, this post racial America.

00:26:58.000 But you saw corrections, you know, some reality checks. 0.56

00:27:01.000 Like we saw the Crown Heights riots.

00:27:02.000 We saw the O.J. Simpson trial.

00:27:04.000 I mean, we saw 9 11, how people just immediately were like, Muslims, they got to go, that sort of thing.

00:27:08.000 So you had these touch points along the way where people did kind of shack, you know, take off that shackle, so to speak, of. 0.69

00:27:15.000 Post racialism, and they're like, no, actually, you know, and they like locked in.

00:27:18.000 Well, in the white guilt you're talking about, a lot of that is a result of post 9 11 and the way that Muslims were treated in America when people felt like they'd gone too far with a lot of that.

00:27:28.000 People my age, meaning like younger millennials at that time, they saw it after the fact, and it was drilled into them in the media that the way that people were behaving was wrong, and now they've been trying to correct that ever since in a lot of ways.

00:27:41.000 Like what you were mentioning earlier, the white liberal is the only group in America with an outgroup bias, right?

00:27:47.000 Meaning that they don't care.

00:27:49.000 What you look like, who you're from, they want to hang out with you, hang out with everybody.

00:27:52.000 Everybody else has their own in group preferences because it's a mode of survival.

00:27:55.000 Whereas white liberals in America never understood that need for that type of survival because they didn't think in a post racial society or they thought in a post racial society.

00:28:04.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 And like, you know, and even maybe to push back against like the more like race realist people that are out there, I think that various ethnicities can get along while still acknowledging that there is like, we're different.

00:28:15.000 Like, that's just the reality of the situation.

00:28:17.000 So this idea that like we need to reduce everyone down to like just a beige.

00:28:21.000 Mass, which is really what the liberal regime has attempted to do.

00:28:25.000 Even people in our own ranks have said, I'd like to see everyone just kind of melt into one big ethnicity, global ethnicity.

00:28:32.000 I don't know if that's going to create more. 0.63

00:28:35.000 I don't think people are going to get along any better.

00:28:36.000 They'll just find other differences, other identities.

00:28:39.000 That's like a throw your hands up hope for it. 0.80

00:28:42.000 Look at the caste system in India. 1.00

00:28:44.000 In India, they're all Indians. 1.00

00:28:46.000 And if you're of the wrong caste, you're going to be treated like absolute dog shit. 1.00

00:28:52.000 I think the thing that we kind of lost. 1.00

00:28:54.000 With the racial argument, is the idea of assimilation.

00:28:59.000 They focus a lot on the skin color of the person, but not so much as to, you know, if somebody is assimilated or wants to assimilate.

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:08.000 You know, I think that.

00:29:08.000 Into the American culture, which is now almost, it's not completely lost, but there has been a substantial, like, just disappearance of the ideals that separated America from all of human history.

00:29:22.000 And now it's kind of just going back to the base identifiers. 0.75

00:29:26.000 Which is gonna be race.

00:29:27.000 And hopefully that doesn't last forever. 0.92

00:29:29.000 You know, being a half breed myself, it's like, you know, I'm advocating for like white people. 0.93

00:29:33.000 I'm like, you guys need to save your race. 0.92

00:29:35.000 But at the same time, I'm also like, but don't take me out.

00:29:39.000 In the meantime, don't take to what?

00:29:42.000 And I think what you're getting at is this idea that America, I do think that people that are immigration proponents are correct insofar as America does have this unique ability to incorporate people into the tribe, so to speak, the American tribe, broadly, whatever that means is still up for debate.

00:29:58.000 But I do agree that, yes, America, the thing that does separate us from the old world is we do have this ability that no matter where in the world you're from, You do have the ability to assimilate.

00:30:07.000 I think the problem has been the volume.

00:30:09.000 That is why you're seeing the reaction now under mass migration. 0.56

00:30:12.000 Jeremy Carl was on the show recently, who has been lumbasted by the media for various things, which is just ridiculous.

00:30:18.000 And he's a genius and he's an expert on this topic.

00:30:21.000 And he was saying, like, he noticed among his friends and people he's met and whatever that were Indian, they're from India or their parents are from India, who grew up in rural areas or suburbs of smaller towns or in smaller towns or whatever, you name it, were.

00:30:37.000 Pretty distinctly American.

00:30:39.000 Like they carried a lot of the same characteristics you would expect to see of Americans. 0.60

00:30:42.000 And he contrasted that with people who are second, even third generation immigrants that grew up in Queens or grew up in Los Angeles or the San Francisco suburbs. 0.91

00:30:51.000 And he remarked about how they seem to have failed to assimilate. 0.93

00:30:54.000 And well, what's the explanation?

00:30:55.000 It's like, well, because they weren't surrounded by Americans.

00:30:57.000 When you drop and you create an ethnic enclave or even an enclave of other ethnic groups that are outside of the main kind of groups in the United States, you are going to fail to assimilate these people. 0.85

00:31:08.000 I don't really subscribe to the idea.

00:31:09.000 Maybe people think I'm like a libtrot or whatever.

00:31:11.000 I don't think we need to like make, you know, bring back like a national formulas act or anything like that.

00:31:16.000 I'm just saying that the volume has been too much.

00:31:18.000 You should be conscious of the cultural differences. 0.81

00:31:20.000 Like it's going to be easier for someone from Australia to assimilate in the United States than someone from Somalia. 1.00

00:31:24.000 But when you do skim the cream, so to speak, like if you do find an exceptional Somali, like an IN Hersi Ali, just bring her over. 0.98

00:31:31.000 You don't need to bring over 30,000 people from the same tribe. 0.87

00:31:34.000 Like bring her over. 0.99

00:31:35.000 I promise she'll assimilate probably in her lifetime and then her kids will be. 0.99

00:31:39.000 Fairly indistinguishable, and they'll marry into the tribe, and then that's how you do it. 0.88

00:31:42.000 It was the difference of this idea of multiculturalism versus a melting pot.

00:31:46.000 Like, I was raised to believe in a melting pot.

00:31:48.000 Like, you know, you become an American by assimilating into American culture.

00:31:52.000 You know, I mean, there used to be camps that Schoolhouse Rock, man.

00:31:56.000 Yeah.

00:31:56.000 You know?

00:31:57.000 Well, and there used to be camps that they would send natives to, and the idea was to kill the savage and save the man, right?

00:32:04.000 And they taught them Christianity and things like that.

00:32:06.000 Now, you know, 100 years later, where you have a Native American like myself who's Christian fighting for Christianity.

00:32:13.000 I don't really see that as a bad thing because for thousands of years, there were warring tribes and various things happening. 0.98

00:32:18.000 And then the settlers came over, and for the most part, a lot of Native Americans assimilated, and I think are better off for it for the most part. 0.94

00:32:28.000 But if we just bring people over and we allow the savages to take over, say whatever you want about the camps that they put Natives into. 0.98

00:32:44.000 It was better overall than what's happening right now, where they're just bringing over hordes of people that don't have any, they don't want to assimilate at all. 0.98

00:32:54.000 They want to take advantage of the welfare system and they want to only extract and from our system that has been created that we've inherited to protect. 0.63

00:33:03.000 And I think that what's happening today is far, far worse than what happened to get us to this point.

00:33:09.000 I think that's actually true.

00:33:10.000 So when you talk about people coming over here, there was this idea that we brought.

00:33:14.000 People over to share in American values and that they would become American.

00:33:18.000 And then, in a lot of ways, those people learned to love the country even more than the people who were born here because they had to learn so much about the country. 0.57

00:33:26.000 But I think a big part of it is also the hollowing out of the middle class. 0.83

00:33:29.000 Like, there was a sense of idealism about coming over here before.

00:33:32.000 If you were not brought over here necessarily on an H 1B visa, or if you were coming over here to build a better life without, um, you know, an automatic into a corporation or something like that, the idea was that you were going to come over here and you were going to build a life for yourself, white picket fence, you know, family, two kids, whatever it was.

00:33:49.000 That was, like you said, a post-racial idea that everybody in America would have access to that.

00:33:54.000 But as that amount of people has shrunk and there's more class warfare combined with race warfare in America, like that idea doesn't hold the same sway.

00:34:04.000 That it used to.

00:34:05.000 Well, I mean, I would just posit that in the 21st century, and this is actually something that I discussed with Jeremy Carl, Scott Gruen, Stephen Engine was over there.

00:34:12.000 It's on Tim Cast IRL.

00:34:13.000 I think everyone should watch it if you're interested in this topic.

00:34:15.000 Is that assimilation might actually, for non Westerners, be impossible in the 21st century because of modern amenities?

00:34:22.000 So, yes, welfare, we've hit on this extensively.

00:34:24.000 Europe's wrestling with this as well. 0.99

00:34:26.000 And they're kind of, the Denmark has laid out a great example of how to prevent immigrants from coming and taking advantage of your welfare net. 0.96

00:34:32.000 But another problem is the modern amenities that are like technology and this interconnected world. 0.99

00:34:36.000 Like the world feels smaller than ever in many ways.

00:34:38.000 If a Westerner comes over here, again, not really difficult because for an American going to Britain or vice versa, well, depending on where you are in Britain, it doesn't feel terribly foreign.

00:34:47.000 Like, okay, yeah, there's some differences.

00:34:48.000 No AC over there.

00:34:49.000 Different packaging.

00:34:50.000 Particularly when you go to cities, right?

00:34:53.000 Like, so if you're in an urban area, if you're in London or New York or LA, yeah, they're all homogenous.

00:34:59.000 You can get around basically anywhere, any major city.

00:35:02.000 And it's going to be like, okay, it's not going to be the same, but it's going to be broadly familiar, I guess, is what I'm trying to get at, versus if you went to Lagos.

00:35:07.000 So versus if you went to New Delhi or you went to Manila and the Philippines. 0.60

00:35:10.000 It would feel especially foreign.

00:35:12.000 You would immediately feel alienated and you would immediately probably have this divide between you and the people.

00:35:17.000 I mean, I've traveled pretty much everywhere, and everywhere I've gone that's outside of the West, there's always been a level of discomfort just because I don't understand the place very well.

00:35:17.000 This happens.

00:35:25.000 And I kind of understand that as an American, I'll never assimilate into this place no matter how long I stayed.

00:35:31.000 I would raise my kids Christian, I would give them Christian names. 0.98

00:35:33.000 Like, you know, there would be this breakdown. 1.00

00:35:35.000 So, what I guess I'm trying to get at is people that come here from the third world or just really outside of the West in general. 1.00

00:35:42.000 I don't know if they can still assimilate just because of the internet, because of social media, where you'll see this. 0.99

00:35:46.000 And I lived in Queens for four years a lot of first and second generation immigrants would engage in and consume more media from their home country than they would from the United States. 0.94

00:35:56.000 They would continue to send remittances back to their home country.

00:36:00.000 They would never truly break.

00:36:03.000 Traditionally, when immigrants came to the United States, they would come over and they'd never know if they'd even go back.

00:36:07.000 They were convinced that they might just be here for good. 0.96

00:36:09.000 And many of them rarely did go back, where now they're going back and forth all the time for holidays.

00:36:14.000 The internet makes it really easy to basically feel like you're still there.

00:36:18.000 Online commerce makes it easy to bring in goods from your home country.

00:36:21.000 It's just a country of wealth extraction, then.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:24.000 Well, I mean, this is, and this is, you know, the fight of our time really is what is America?

00:36:28.000 Is it a distinct nation with a distinct heritage, et cetera, as JD Vance outlined at NatCon, or is it just a giant shopping mall?

00:36:35.000 And right now it feels more like a shopping mall.

00:36:37.000 And Europe, specifically Western Europe, also increasingly feels like this.

00:36:41.000 And I suspect one of the main reasons is because it's not just that they're not assimilating.

00:36:45.000 I just, I question if they even have the capability of assimilating.

00:36:49.000 So, no faults of their own.

00:36:50.000 It's just the reality of the 21st century that, again, with how interconnected everything is, it's hard to truly break from your home country.

00:36:56.000 And some people do.

00:36:58.000 And I know people that are immigrants and they're terrific people.

00:37:00.000 But the difference between them and the majority is that the people that came here and they're terrific and they've assimilated made a conscious effort. 0.99

00:37:05.000 Like, we're not going to teach our kids our native language.

00:37:08.000 We're going to put them in American schools, make them consume American media, give them American names.

00:37:13.000 Like, they made a very conscious effort to sort of break to say, we're not going back to India or we're not going back to China or the Philippines or you name it.

00:37:19.000 So, that.

00:37:19.000 Part of multiculturalism is tied to American export now.

00:37:22.000 So I was having a discussion with someone on my channel about The Odyssey.

00:37:28.000 We were talking about the casting in The Odyssey, and we were talking about the fact that, look, all the casting controversies that were there, for the most part, they didn't have a ton of screen time except for Himish Patel.

00:37:37.000 And he said, you know, cynically, you cast a man from India because there's a million people in India that can watch your movie.

00:37:44.000 So America will change, you know, quintessentially Western stories for the sake of capitalist export to the rest of the world because America is a net exporter when it comes to entertainment and things like that.

00:37:56.000 So we kind of, in that way, we handicap ourselves because we don't tie ourselves.

00:38:01.000 And I'm somebody who comes on the other side of the discussion on this.

00:38:03.000 For the most part, those types of swaps in movies have never really bothered me.

00:38:08.000 I understand that art is vastly different these days, and they see what they would like to think of as like a colorblind society.

00:38:15.000 Though, oddly enough, it means they have to be more color conscious to do the casting for things like that.

00:38:19.000 But the idea is that type of change to a Western story is very American to do because America doesn't feel like it has a cohesive cultural identity.

00:38:29.000 So it has become the world.

00:38:31.000 What is the American cultural identity now? 0.99

00:38:34.000 Because when I think of what is American, I think Christian.

00:38:41.000 And I think to most people these days, that doesn't come up.

00:38:46.000 Yeah. 0.69

00:38:46.000 And I think that with our founding being so tied to Christianity, it's without that, I think that we just will become one of the world. 0.69

00:38:58.000 Well, without religion, without a religion to kind of bind your people together, man can't live without religion. 0.88

00:39:08.000 Whether or not they like it, whether or not they realize it, a man can live without religion, but societies can't because you base your fundamental principles on something.

00:39:17.000 And the US, our fundamental principles were unquestionably based on Christianity.

00:39:22.000 And as you remove those principles, as you remove those ideals, then they're replaced with something else.

00:39:28.000 Well, and you have to be precise about what specifically, when you're saying Christianity, well, it's like there's 2 billion roughly adherents of Christianity globally.

00:39:36.000 The United States had a very particular expression of Christianity, which was.

00:39:40.000 Among the general population, sort of a low church kind of Protestantism.

00:39:45.000 And what you're seeing now is there's still a lot of Christians coming to the country, but they have a sort of different understanding of Christianity. 0.53

00:39:52.000 And I think you can't really detach the United States from its foundation.

00:39:57.000 And so you do need to analyze, okay, what did Christianity look like in the 18th, 19th, even early 20th century?

00:40:06.000 Well, and the Episcopalians dominated the elite, but you look among the low church, and it was low church Anglicanism, it was Methodists, et cetera.

00:40:13.000 I'm not just referencing Catholicism here, where Catholicism has grown.

00:40:16.000 Now it's 20% of the country.

00:40:17.000 And it's something that I think the founders would be pretty horrified by.

00:40:21.000 But I think the founders would equally be horrified at the current manifestation of evangelicalism.

00:40:24.000 Where evangelicalism, and I'll just say where it's like evangelicalism now, where you see sort of these big box mega churches that are non denominational and they don't really have any.

00:40:36.000 They're very high on ecumenicalism, right?

00:40:37.000 They're just like, we're all Christians.

00:40:39.000 There's no accountability really in these churches.

00:40:43.000 I'm not really hating on anyone that is of either of these faiths. 0.55

00:40:45.000 I'm just making the point that, like, this is evidence of the derastination of the United States because that megachurch model and Catholicism can both be replicated at any point, anywhere in the world, at any time, where the previous, you know, understanding of Christianity, really until like the 1960s and 70s, was distinctly, uniquely American.

00:41:02.000 And I think this is what helps like national unity is this was the same in Europe. 0.55

00:41:06.000 Like, you know, you had the Dutch were all Dutch reformed, the Germans were like Lutheran, and the South, they were Catholic, the British were Anglicans, the Swedes were, you know, they had a specific type of Lutheranism.

00:41:14.000 So, you would see this like distinct expressions of Christianity that were intrinsically tied to the culture of the country.

00:41:21.000 And what you're seeing now, I guess, is what I'm trying to get at, is what the type of manifestation of Christianity you're seeing in the United States now is a very globalist expression of Christianity, whether it is Catholicism or whether it is sort of big box non denominational.

00:41:32.000 Well, and a lot of those do, like a lot of missionary work is done that way, right?

00:41:36.000 Because the big churches end up having people going all over the world.

00:41:40.000 Well, what's ironic is that the missionaries of sort of, I guess you would maybe say mainline Protestantism would be the accurate description, were so effective that you're seeing now there's more Presbyterians, more Anglicans in Africa than there is in their.

00:41:54.000 Traditional home nations of the United Kingdom, of the United States.

00:41:58.000 So, as the U.S., I'll just reference the U.S. here, as the U.S. becomes more non denominational and more Catholic, and you see kind of the decline of traditional Protestantism that would have been familiar to the founders and early Americans, the more that expression does grow in places like Africa, albeit they've put their own spin on it, but at least like the core theological tenets are there and to some degree the aesthetics.

00:42:19.000 And so that's always kind of fascinating to me is like, I agree, you cannot divorce the United States from Christianity, but it's also a very specific type of Christianity because You know, Haiti is also like 80% Christian, but I would really kind of argue like that.

00:42:32.000 I would dispute the idea that the Christianity that Americans have historically had and the Christianity you find in Haiti is fairly similar, albeit some core theological, you know.

00:42:41.000 I think we're kind of seeing the ramifications of removing our representation in government from God.

00:42:49.000 Because in 1962, when the Supreme Court decided, you know, the separation of church and state as if that was written in the Constitution, and they, they, Implemented that throughout the entire government.

00:43:00.000 That separated the family unit by devaluing marriage.

00:43:04.000 And then they came up with no fault divorce, the birth control pill.

00:43:07.000 I mean, all of that stuff kind of added on to it.

00:43:09.000 But we're now seeing a culture that has been raised without God tying them together.

00:43:18.000 So we're seeing, I mean, even if, like myself, I come from divorced parents.

00:43:24.000 The first son that I had was from my high school sweetheart, not my current wife.

00:43:29.000 And so it's like there's been ripples of this happening for a long time. 0.95

00:43:35.000 And with the actual separation of church and state, what we have now has led to a lot of these issues that we're seeing throughout the country and no way to assimilate the foreigners that they're bringing in because we don't really have that shared culture, that shared American culture that used to be. 0.85

00:43:53.000 Can I ask you? 0.95

00:43:54.000 Oh, go ahead.

00:43:55.000 Well, and I was just going to say, I mean, to kind of piggyback off what you're saying too, is and we still have the framework.

00:44:00.000 Of Christianity, but the way it manifests in like the modern American is they'll say, Well, I'm not religious, I'm very spiritual, or I believe in God, but they won't really drill down on what God is talking about, which means like I am my own God.

00:44:11.000 And so, really, what's happening here is people are, it's almost worse than what's happening in Europe to some degree, where in Europe, they're very comfortable saying, I'm not religious, like I don't believe in God, et cetera.

00:44:20.000 Where in America, people have this idea of God that really exists for the sole purpose of like re emphasizing what they already believe, or for the sole purpose of validating these bad decisions that they're making.

00:44:31.000 And this is very common in the United States.

00:44:33.000 A real religion to your point, right?

00:44:35.000 Like, they'll celebrate, they'll celebrate Christmas.

00:44:38.000 They don't celebrate Easter.

00:44:39.000 They don't go to church on Easter.

00:44:40.000 Those people don't, like, they'll say, oh, you know, I'm Christian, but I, you know, I don't go to church or whatever. 0.97

00:44:46.000 That's not really a Christian, right?

00:44:48.000 Like, it's more of saying, well, you know, I believe in being nice.

00:44:55.000 It's far more like when people are saying, you know, we should be nice and it's more of a spiritual person.

00:45:02.000 And because, Even you know, as a person that considers still considers themselves not agnostic, right?

00:45:08.000 Like, I understand that if you're a Christian, you're saying that you believe Christ is God, right?

00:45:13.000 And without that, you're not actually a Christian.

00:45:16.000 Just because you give presents at Christmas, that doesn't make you a Christian.

00:45:19.000 You have to believe that Christ is divine.

00:45:21.000 You have to believe that God, that the reason that Christ came to earth is to forgive your sins.

00:45:26.000 And like, so all of Christianity flows from that.

00:45:29.000 So just saying, oh, well, you know, I'm spiritual and I'm kind of Christian.

00:45:32.000 You can't be kind of Christian.

00:45:34.000 You're either a Christian or you're not. 0.73

00:45:35.000 You either believe Christ was divine. 0.56

00:45:38.000 Yeah, you either believe Christ was divine or you don't.

00:45:41.000 And there's no, and everybody that hymns and haws about it and says, well, you know, I'm a Christian, but I'm more spiritual.

00:45:46.000 No, you're not a Christian.

00:45:47.000 You're a heathen. 1.00

00:45:48.000 Can't just believe in Santa Claus like yours.

00:45:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:45:50.000 It's a very exclusionary faith.

00:45:52.000 100%.

00:45:53.000 That's the case with pretty much every religion, insofar as historically with Christianity, there was a pretty good dividing line between if you're a Christian or not, where now, because it has gotten so watered down and now because there is so much wriggle room and whatnot, people are able to shop around and find an expression of really religion broadly, but specifically Christianity that does kind of steel man what they already believe.

00:46:14.000 This is the whole reason that I still call myself agnostic, right?

00:46:18.000 Like, I don't feel comfortable telling people that I'm a Christian because I'm not 100% sure that I believe in God or that Christ was the Son of God, right?

00:46:32.000 If I were to say, well, you know, I was raised Catholic, so I'm kind of a Christian, blah, blah, blah, and him and Haw about it or kind of like, you know, mince words so that way I can, you know, make the person I'm talking to feel comfortable or whatever, or I can smooth the conversation over, then you're lying.

00:46:50.000 And the whole point is, The whole point of Christianity is you believe Christ is God.

00:46:54.000 And I don't understand why people have this desire to kind of not actually tell the truth, which is no, I don't, I'm not a Christian, or I'm not sure of what I believe.

00:47:08.000 You kind of brought it up earlier with saying that, I mean, Christianity has been bastardized to the point where it's almost synonymous with being nice. 0.67

00:47:16.000 And Christians, there's James Tallarico.

00:47:19.000 You're not supposed to just be nice.

00:47:21.000 I mean, it is exclusionary, like you said, in a lot of ways.

00:47:25.000 And You know, it's kind of been boiled down, you know, with our holidays and everything and the way that it's been marketed over the years.

00:47:33.000 You know, it's more about the tree now than it is the birth of Christ.

00:47:37.000 And that's a leftist position to try and straw man an argument.

00:47:41.000 Anytime you push back on anything they do, they're like, well, that's not very Christian of you. 0.90

00:47:45.000 Yeah, well, of course. 0.55

00:47:46.000 But and I think what Phil was getting at is a really interesting thing because that's actually a very uniquely American thing to be at the point where you're functionally agnostic or even potentially functionally atheist, but you still claim that you're Christian.

00:47:59.000 Is actually a very uniquely American thing.

00:48:00.000 This doesn't really occur anywhere else in the world.

00:48:02.000 And I think the reason for that is actually ingrained in the American DNA. 0.80

00:48:06.000 Because if you look at the time of the founding, and people have pointed out that some founders were indeed deists.

00:48:11.000 But what's interesting is if you were to go to George Washington or Thomas Jefferson and press them on this, they would identify as Anglicans.

00:48:17.000 And also, the overwhelming majority of America, I think it was 80 to 90% of Americans, actually upwards of 90% of Americans, identified as Christian.

00:48:24.000 And they would be able to, they had high biblical literacy, so they would be able to explain Christianity at a very high level.

00:48:28.000 But what's interesting is at the time of the founding in 1776, Only about 20% of Americans regularly attended church.

00:48:34.000 So, what you had was a cultural Christianity and a population that was highly literate, very intelligent, that had a very good understanding of Christianity, and they were able to correctly identify that the structure that they exist in exists because of Christianity.

00:48:48.000 So, they ought to carry themselves in a Christian way, promote Christian values, even if they themselves weren't convinced on the resurrection or something like that.

00:48:57.000 Where now, we're kind of in this era where Christianity is kind of difficult to see around you these days.

00:49:04.000 Because of how bad things have gotten to your point, how much the government has seemed to distance itself from Christianity.

00:49:08.000 People don't have that knee jerk reaction.

00:49:11.000 People don't have any biblical literacy.

00:49:12.000 People can't even explain what Easter is.

00:49:14.000 So instead, you just get the schizophrenic outgrowth of that historical American tendency, which is, oh, I'm spiritual and you have a rabbit's foot and tarot cards or whatever.

00:49:23.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:49:24.000 Because you mentioned earlier, you said, what is the American identity now?

00:49:28.000 And you mentioned Christianity.

00:49:30.000 What else do you see as core tenets of the American identity?

00:49:33.000 Because I was just thinking a couple weeks ago, it wasn't even that long ago, where everybody was talking about the World Cup and people from all over the world were coming to America and they were loving things about America, which basically boiled down to Bucky's.

00:49:45.000 And American consumerism, right?

00:49:48.000 But it was Americans who are starved for anybody not hating them were excited about the idea that people found things about America that they liked.

00:49:55.000 I'm just curious what you think of as other core tenants of the American identity.

00:50:01.000 What I like to believe would be if an American, let's, all right, I have a little fascination with wolves, okay?

00:50:11.000 So if the American itself was a wolf and it was looking at a dog, like a domesticated dog, And it had a collar on and it had a master.

00:50:20.000 I picture the American as the wolf, the one who is willing to go without the guaranteed meal every day and without being owned, would rather just go hungry and find its own way rather than live a fat, happy life being domesticated.

00:50:41.000 Yeah.

00:50:42.000 That's what I would like it to be.

00:50:43.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:50:44.000 Hold on to this point, right?

00:50:46.000 So, me and my girlfriend were talking about this the other day and we were talking about like, Why America is better than other countries, why the people of America are better, right?

00:50:53.000 And when the country was founded, particularly, the people that were likely to leave Europe and come to the United States had a certain mindset and a certain outlook on their own lives and their own capabilities.

00:51:07.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 Because if you get on a boat for five weeks or whatever it takes to get across the ocean when you're not guaranteed to get there, right?

00:51:16.000 You have to have a certain amount of belief in your own agency.

00:51:21.000 So all the people that came to the To basically to the colonies, to the new country.

00:51:28.000 And all the people that came here, basically up until the 60s, they were all people that believed in their own agency.

00:51:35.000 You didn't accidentally get to America.

00:51:38.000 You came to America because you wanted to make something of yourself.

00:51:42.000 You were the kind of person that believed you made things happen in the world.

00:51:46.000 When you look at modern times and the people that are brought in, whether it be as however, right, if they're here, Because they came illegally or what have you, if they got some program the government gave out.

00:52:00.000 Those people are not people that believe that they make things happen in their lives.

00:52:06.000 They believe that things happen to them.

00:52:08.000 So, the reason that America is the best country in the world and has been basically the indispensable country for at least the first 200 and 225 years of its existence was because the people that are in America have a certain outlook on life.

00:52:25.000 And of course, then not every single person that lived in America was the same.

00:52:29.000 But they were the descendants of people that said, I can get on that boat and I can go to America and I can make something of myself.

00:52:37.000 I have the opportunity to do that.

00:52:39.000 I have the ability to do that.

00:52:40.000 I believe in myself.

00:52:42.000 And you see it in how crazy and awesome and daring and exceptional Americans have been.

00:52:50.000 Like that matters.

00:52:51.000 That's what makes America America.

00:52:53.000 And that's what makes the people of America different from the whole rest of the world.

00:52:57.000 The fact that they would say, I can go there.

00:53:00.000 And I can make something happen as opposed to the people that believe that things happen to them.

00:53:06.000 And you see it all over the place.

00:53:07.000 You see it with people in society now.

00:53:10.000 People that are like, oh, you know, my life, my lot in life is so bad and all this happened to me and this happened to me and this happened to me and this happened to me.

00:53:17.000 All these bad things and all this stuff happened to me.

00:53:20.000 And then there are people that said, no, I went and I did this.

00:53:23.000 I did this.

00:53:25.000 The distinction really boils down to people that believe they have agency and people that believe they don't have agency.

00:53:31.000 Honestly, that's exactly what you laid out.

00:53:33.000 It's just a different metaphor.

00:53:35.000 Well, what's interesting is, you know, there's a book, you know, like what you guys are hitting on is absolutely correct.

00:53:39.000 This is.

00:53:40.000 There's two things when you ask, what is America?

00:53:42.000 What is this idea of like American culture or something?

00:53:45.000 What we're hitting on is two things.

00:53:46.000 What is the culture of America?

00:53:47.000 You know, you would probably say it's this sort of Anglo Protestant, this Anglo Protestant identity.

00:53:51.000 This is what you found at the founding that was 90% of the country.

00:53:54.000 So the closer you get to that, the more American it's going to feel, the further away you get more.

00:53:57.000 But as far as what you guys are hitting on, which is the ethos of America, right?

00:54:00.000 What is the driving force?

00:54:01.000 What's the engine room in the United States?

00:54:03.000 It's the frontier.

00:54:04.000 This is what you're hitting on it's the frontier.

00:54:06.000 And that didn't happen by accident.

00:54:08.000 It's not like because Britain set up a lot of settler colonies.

00:54:10.000 Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

00:54:11.000 Why aren't they conducting themselves like the Americans do?

00:54:14.000 Well, There's two things going on.

00:54:16.000 One is you look in the North, there was the Puritans, they had this hyper Calvinism that existed, that preeminated in the North.

00:54:23.000 And what lasted out of that, out of the Puritan culture, was this idea that I am destined to do this by God.

00:54:30.000 This idea that everything has been predestined, that God has put me here for a very specific reason, and what's over those hills is mine because God said so.

00:54:37.000 And then, secondarily, is to your point, the stock that came here, which was wherever you came from, you came here because you said, I want to just go to that frontier.

00:54:47.000 You know, that video of the penguin charging towards the mountain, that was the sort of the ethos of a lot of early settlers and continued into the 19th century.

00:54:54.000 The evidence for this is well, who populated the frontier during the colonial era?

00:54:58.000 Well, it was the Scots Irish.

00:55:00.000 Well, where did the Scots Irish come from?

00:55:01.000 Well, they came from what is today Northern Ireland.

00:55:03.000 Well, what made the Scots Irish unique?

00:55:06.000 Well, they were a different group that was brought to Ireland and they were fighting with the native population there, the Irish people in Ireland.

00:55:14.000 So they already kind of had this understanding of being on the frontier.

00:55:17.000 They had this understanding of kind of being somewhere that.

00:55:20.000 You came to, right?

00:55:21.000 That you weren't just spawned out of the ground here.

00:55:23.000 You came here and you carved out your civilization in a place that previously didn't resemble it.

00:55:29.000 And that is ultimately what defines the frontier.

00:55:31.000 That's exactly what happened in the United States.

00:55:33.000 And who was on the frontier? 0.99

00:55:34.000 The Scotch Irish. 0.60

00:55:35.000 And this continued all the way into the Wild Western movies.

00:55:37.000 If you think about all the famous pioneers and then you think about these famous characters in these Wild West stories, they typically have names that come from, again, the borderlands in Europe, of Northern Ireland, of Scotland.

00:55:50.000 So that's kind of ultimately the perfect storm that came about in the United States.

00:55:54.000 Which basically you had the Anglo Protestant culture, which has been demonstrated to create fantastic systems, legal codes, et cetera, as demonstrated by Australia, even their former colonies, but Australia, Canada, New Zealand.

00:56:05.000 And then you supercharged that with this hyper Calvinism that came from the Puritans and this frontier spirit that just seemingly only America truly ever captured.

00:56:15.000 And that's what drove us to the moon.

00:56:16.000 I mean, we didn't stop.

00:56:17.000 We finally ran out of space and we said, just go up there.

00:56:21.000 Did you actually go to the moon?

00:56:23.000 Yes, we did.

00:56:24.000 Yeah, I believe you did.

00:56:25.000 Yeah, so it's just, I think it's like, it's, it's, it's, It's not enough to just posit that America is unique because we're entrepreneurial.

00:56:32.000 There's a specific ethos in the United States that came about because of historical events, but the specific kind of people that came here that these three factors that I outlined all combined created the United States.

00:56:44.000 It's not, my point isn't entrepreneurial.

00:56:46.000 Sure, I know what you mean, but I'm just saying this is how most people say, well, Americans, what makes us different from Canadians, for example?

00:56:51.000 We have a lot of the same people.

00:56:54.000 It must be we're more entrepreneurial.

00:56:54.000 What is it?

00:56:56.000 And it's like, well, no, there's a specific, again, this perfect storm that was created in the 13 colonies and on the frontier.

00:57:02.000 That led to where we are now.

00:57:04.000 And a lot of that ethos is still carried into the modern day.

00:57:07.000 Well, yeah, I mean, your grandparents and your great grandparents and stuff like that, that actually does make a difference in the person that you are.

00:57:14.000 And it's why the left can't recapture the idea of celebrating America.

00:57:19.000 They try.

00:57:20.000 I still see sometimes when I go out, I see leftist political signs that have a flag.

00:57:26.000 They say pro America, anti Trump.

00:57:28.000 But everybody knows that even if you get rid of Donald Trump, when it comes down to it, they have this postmodern idea of what America is and they refuse to be proud of their past or their history.

00:57:38.000 Because they have the original sin of slavery.

00:57:41.000 That's one aspect of it.

00:57:43.000 And the rest of it has been watered down by culture so much where there have been articles written and infographics created about why American exceptionalism is a bad idea and why we actually need to quash that because it's a sign of white supremacy, just like individualism and all of those things where it's like you could have the most liberal values in the world.

00:58:05.000 And as long as you love where you're from here, you'll never be truly accepted there.

00:58:10.000 Because I still believe in a lot of ways, I still have a lot of traditionally.

00:58:13.000 Liberal values.

00:58:14.000 When you said earlier, when we were talking about a post racial society, there's so many millennials where that still resonates with them because that was the culture they grew up in.

00:58:22.000 80% of America believes that way. 0.93

00:58:23.000 As long as you're not, it was the first thing that I noticed when I traveled, right? 0.99

00:58:27.000 It was like the amount of people who from America, first of all, talk shit about America. 0.98

00:58:32.000 Sorry for swearing. 0.99

00:58:32.000 I know. 0.99

00:58:33.000 But also, you know, people who thought you should just accept that people are going to dog on you.

00:58:39.000 And I was just always confused as to why you could be born into a place of immense.

00:58:44.000 You know, not wealth necessarily like you were born wealthy, but to be born into American middle class still means that you essentially hit the lottery.

00:58:51.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.000 Even being born into lower middle class in America, you have hit the lottery.

00:58:56.000 The poorest American is still better off than 99% of the world.

00:59:00.000 And the idea that there were people who held the same liberal concepts and values that I did, but hated where they were from, meant that I was never going to traditionally fit in with them the way that it would anywhere else.

00:59:12.000 And what you're talking about is the idea that you would go out every day and risk a world.

00:59:16.000 Where you're not going to know where your next meal is going to come from, where you're going to take a chance in yourself rather than just take the safest route forward.

00:59:25.000 That idea has been chipped away at in Western society, in America especially, right?

00:59:29.000 Part of the reason why it's been chipped away at is because the people that have been coming to America since the 60s largely don't share that kind of ethos.

00:59:38.000 They don't share the belief that they happen to the world as opposed to the world happening to them. 0.98

00:59:44.000 And I think that's absolutely right.

00:59:45.000 In addition to that, the evidence for.

00:59:49.000 At the core of the American identity is sort of the frontier, so to speak, and that sort of attitudes that sort of emanate out of that is the fact that when, you know, think about like Erling Holland, the soccer player in the World Cup, he came here and out of all the different sort of avatars of America that he could have chose to, you know, kind of LARP as, he wore a cowboy hat and he had cowboy boots and this sort of thing.

01:00:09.000 And this is the same thing.

01:00:10.000 Anyone comes to the country when they think of what's the most distinctly American characteristic, it's the cowboy hat.

01:00:15.000 Now, what percentage of Americans do you think wear a cowboy hat on a daily basis?

01:00:17.000 Probably less than 1%.

01:00:19.000 So, like, there's a lot of people in this country, probably less than 1%.

01:00:21.000 You're from Texas, so you should know.

01:00:23.000 Well, you know, but in actuality, it's a very rare thing to see in public.

01:00:28.000 If you see someone with a cowboy hat, you're like, oh, that's cool.

01:00:29.000 Like, he must be a cowboy.

01:00:30.000 But for some reason, people from all around the world associate the cowboy hat with the United States.

01:00:35.000 Is it just because it's a uniquely interesting character?

01:00:37.000 Well, no, it's because they have identified that the cowboy really is the avatar of the United States insofar as he is the frontiersman.

01:00:43.000 He is the guy that is just trudging into the wilderness and making it his own.

01:00:47.000 He's setting up fences and he's setting up homes and this sort of thing.

01:00:49.000 And so that's why left wing people fail to ever truly capture the American hearts and minds and fail to truly capture the American ethos is because their understanding of America is to your point.

01:00:59.000 The world happens to me and I have to react accordingly, typically in government policy andor city centers, which, yes, we've always had cities in the United States.

01:01:08.000 Philadelphia was the second largest city in the entirety of the British Empire at the founding.

01:01:11.000 But even Americans who lived in Philadelphia, Teddy Roosevelt's a great example.

01:01:15.000 Teddy Roosevelt was a New Yorker, but we associate him with the West.

01:01:19.000 We associate him with.

01:01:20.000 The great outdoors and that sort of thing.

01:01:22.000 Because he, along with most urbanites until very recently, did understand that the engine room of the United States was the frontier.

01:01:29.000 Yeah.

01:01:29.000 We're going to jump to this story here.

01:01:31.000 And we're going to then, once I read the piece from the BBC, we're going to toss it to tape because he's got some thoughts on this.

01:01:38.000 From the BBC, Anne Whitcomb was hit on the head 21 times with a hammer, prosecutors say.

01:01:43.000 So this is a British politician that was murdered in her own home.

01:01:49.000 Anne Whitcomb was hit on the head with a hammer 21 times at her home as she ate lunch in an attack that was caught on camera.

01:01:55.000 Prosecutors have told Westminster Magistrates Court.

01:01:59.000 Prosecutor Kashif Malik said the man charged with her murder, Joshua Carey, arrived at her house on 8 July in a red Vauxhall Corsa and entered through the front door.

01:02:09.000 Carey, who prosecutors say was in the property for two minutes and was wearing black gloves, then allegedly hit Whipcomb repeatedly with a hammer in her kitchen, tipped her from her chair, and took her wallet before driving off.

01:02:19.000 The 28 year old from South Yorkshire also later appeared at the Old Bailey and was remanded in custody.

01:02:25.000 At the Old Bailey hearing, prosecutor Alistair Richardson said the attack on Whitcomb had been carried out with a ferocity of violence.

01:02:31.000 Malik told the court that Whitcomb did not attend a prearranged online interview with Channel 5's Matt Ulrich, a show that had been scheduled for just before 1300 British Standard Time on 8 July.

01:02:43.000 The show's production team tried to contact Whitcomb, blah, So, Tate, can you go ahead and tell our viewers a little bit about who Eddie Whitcomb was and how this is relevant to?

01:02:55.000 Conditions in the U.S. now.

01:02:57.000 Yeah, as far as who she was, I mean, this is very quickly. 0.87

01:02:59.000 She was formerly an elected official in Britain.

01:03:01.000 She's very well known there.

01:03:02.000 If you turn on television, you'll probably have seen her in the last year.

01:03:06.000 She was actually scheduled to do a television hit the morning when her body was discovered.

01:03:10.000 So she's been this very prominent Christian conservative activist in Britain for a long time.

01:03:14.000 Again, she formally held office.

01:03:17.000 I've been kind of struggling to think of an analog in the United States. 0.53

01:03:19.000 The closest I could maybe think of would maybe be Sarah Palin, insofar as someone that says, I remember when she was in office, but now I know her as a commentator.

01:03:27.000 That would be kind of the equivalent, you know, the social.

01:03:29.000 Conservatism, the Christianity, et cetera.

01:03:31.000 But the two things that are interesting about her is first of all, again, that she, it wouldn't be hyperbole to draw some comparisons to the Charlie Kirk situation insofar as a prominent commentator. 0.70

01:03:41.000 Secondarily, what's interesting about her is that she was kind of enemy number one of the LGBT people in Britain. 0.64

01:03:50.000 But when LGBT people were thinking about, you know, who is, whose existence and words is, you know, existential, is an existential threat to my identity, to my existence. 0.72

01:04:00.000 It would be Anne Whitacombe being the avatar of that traditional conservative Christian. 0.97

01:04:04.000 Not J.K. Rowling?

01:04:06.000 No, because J.K. Rowling is still functionally left wing.

01:04:08.000 She just happens to be on the other side of the trans issue, where Anne Whitacombe was across the board a very conventional Christian conservative.

01:04:16.000 So, this is why I said it's not hyperbole to draw comparisons to the Charlie Kirk assassination insofar as, and I don't mean this in any negativity towards Charlie or Anne, but in order to be someone that would decide to go and kill these people, You would have to be radicalized to such an insane degree to actually decide to do this because these are not radical dissident figures.

01:04:41.000 These are mainstream figures who I contest are strictly conservative, strictly Christian.

01:04:45.000 It's not like they were moderates.

01:04:46.000 I hate when people say Trilly Kirk was a moderate.

01:04:48.000 He just wasn't a dissident radical, nor is Ann Whitacombe.

01:04:48.000 He wasn't a moderate.

01:04:51.000 But again, they viewed these people as existential threats.

01:04:54.000 Their very existence was a threat to them.

01:04:56.000 Is there evidence that this was politically motivated?

01:04:58.000 So, what's interesting, this is why this is becoming a bit scandalous, has been the British police's response to this.

01:05:03.000 So, this occurred in Devon, a very safe part of the country.

01:05:07.000 The killer came from 300 miles away, which in American terms is like, you know, 1,000 miles and 1,500 miles.

01:05:12.000 But what's interesting is the British police have drip fed evidence from what's happened here.

01:05:17.000 They've drip fed evidence and drip fed.

01:05:22.000 Events to the British people, I think, because they're trying to prevent the outrage that occurred in the United States when Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

01:05:29.000 And with Charlie Kirk, it was obvious right away that it was political.

01:05:31.000 He literally got sniped.

01:05:33.000 Where with Anne Whitacombe, at first the police came out and said she's died in her home. 0.98

01:05:38.000 And she's an old lady.

01:05:39.000 So everyone was like, oh, that's sad.

01:05:40.000 But it happens.

01:05:41.000 These are old.

01:05:42.000 They fall down or whatever.

01:05:43.000 So initially, when I saw the news, when everyone saw the news, keep in mind this is a very prominent figure in the UK.

01:05:48.000 Everyone in the UK knows who she is.

01:05:50.000 And it's actually, she's very charming.

01:05:52.000 So I think even a lot of people on the left, you know, kind of have this soft spot for her.

01:05:57.000 But everyone in the UK knew her and they're like, oh, that's sad.

01:05:59.000 You know, she's passed away.

01:06:00.000 I remember she's been everywhere.

01:06:02.000 Then the police came out and they said, okay, no, it was actually, we suspect there was foul play, but it was actually a burglary gone wrong.

01:06:08.000 And then this is when everyone's alarm bells started going off as they said, well, how did you go from fell in her home and died to burglary gone wrong?

01:06:16.000 It was reported that she fell.

01:06:17.000 So initially, again, with the evidence that was drip fed, they were leading the public to believe that she had just died.

01:06:23.000 You know, she fell and hit her head.

01:06:24.000 I think is what the official narrative was.

01:06:25.000 Then it turned to burglary gone wrong.

01:06:28.000 And then three days later, the story breaks that the counterterrorism unit has taken over the case.

01:06:33.000 So I think everyone at that moment, if you didn't suspect that it was politically motivated before, at that point said, why would counterterrorism get involved in a burglary gone wrong?

01:06:42.000 And then the BBC, as you talked about, then reported that the suspect had been arrested.

01:06:47.000 We saw a picture of him right away and it was political, if you know physiognomy.

01:06:51.000 And then secondarily, the news came out that she was bashed in the head 21 times with a hammer, which.

01:06:57.000 You know, if you're a police officer and you're reporting to a scene, I think you would know the difference between someone falling down and then her head being caved into the hammer.

01:07:05.000 Secondarily, you would know the difference between a burglary gone wrong and being overhead hit with the hammer.

01:07:10.000 The suspect did steal her purse or her wallet.

01:07:12.000 It doesn't really say what specifically he took, but it was like her, you know, bag carrying money or whatever.

01:07:17.000 But again, going all the way down to Devon to go into the home of a very prominent conservative Christian activist and murdering her while she was eating lunch.

01:07:25.000 She was having her lunch. 0.87

01:07:26.000 Brutally, too.

01:07:28.000 This wasn't. 0.77

01:07:29.000 It wasn't a situation where he was just like, you know, I'm going to kill this person.

01:07:32.000 It was. 0.53

01:07:33.000 It's an elderly woman.

01:07:34.000 It was the kind of crime where people say that it was, you know, they're calling it a vicious, ferocity of violence.

01:07:42.000 You know, it was a vicious, vicious attack.

01:07:44.000 And, you know, you hit someone in the head with a hammer, like, that's probably going to kill them if you hit them once or twice. 0.54

01:07:52.000 21 times is literally going to, you know, it was a gruesome, gruesome scene. 0.92

01:07:59.000 And because of the incompetence.

01:08:00.000 I don't even know if I think it's actually they're highly competent.

01:08:02.000 They're actively trying to ensure that there's not much outrage over the story.

01:08:06.000 I think the crime of that is that we can't come out as commentators and say this is another example of leftist violence.

01:08:14.000 We need a crackdown, et cetera, because they control all the evidence.

01:08:17.000 They've monopolized.

01:08:18.000 So, not until this trial is done, we can't, on good authority, you know, legally come out and say this is clearly an example of leftist violence.

01:08:26.000 We can say we suspect that that's the case, but that's what they wanted.

01:08:28.000 You can't say that in the UK.

01:08:30.000 People can say that in the US.

01:08:32.000 Yeah.

01:08:32.000 In theory, but people get sued for this kind of stuff all the time.

01:08:34.000 So, this is what's so interesting is that, again, they've intentionally, I don't think they're incompetent, they're highly competent.

01:08:38.000 They understand that if they let the actual, what actually happened, which they already know, the people in the police department already know what happened, if they laid out the facts and said, yeah, it was a leftist that came and killed a prominent Christian conservative, Charlie Kirk 2.0.

01:08:50.000 Britain has a Charlie Kirk moment.

01:08:52.000 They understand that Farage, who's surging in the polls, can capitalize on this, and they don't want that's a disaster for them.

01:08:57.000 Anne Whitacombe was a member of the Reform UK party.

01:09:00.000 She was, you know, friends with Farage.

01:09:02.000 Farage clearly was deeply disturbed by what happened, obviously.

01:09:05.000 So, again, this is just super inconvenient for a government, for a system that is, Playing defense right now for what we've been saying as conservatives, as right wingers in the UK and the United States, what we've been saying, what we've been saying, we're afraid of this.

01:09:19.000 This is why we want to go in a different direction.

01:09:21.000 That manifested, that's like a nightmare scenario for them.

01:09:24.000 So that's why the information here is being drip fed, why the BBC is almost reluctantly reporting this.

01:09:30.000 And I think it's pretty obvious what happened here.

01:09:33.000 And the question, I guess, would be what's going to happen?

01:09:36.000 Well, the guy's going to get thrown in jail, and that's probably it.

01:09:38.000 What do they know about the suspect, Matt?

01:09:42.000 I'm sorry, what is his name?

01:09:45.000 Joshua Carey.

01:09:46.000 There's two things that have been suspected.

01:09:49.000 The first one is a little bit more innocuous than the second thing.

01:09:53.000 The first thing is that he had pictures or posters of reform headquarters, prominent figures on his wall in his house, which is very strange behavior.

01:10:03.000 His neighbors said that he was very withdrawn.

01:10:06.000 He was very kind of skittish and standoffish and antisocial.

01:10:10.000 An incel, some might say.

01:10:13.000 Perhaps, yeah.

01:10:14.000 And then secondarily, Uh, the information about him that is suspected is that it appears that he was on the roles andor a donor of your party, which is this upstart far left party in the United Kingdom, which was started by like a literal Islamist and Jeremy Corbyn, who is by proxy an Islamist.

01:10:32.000 So he was part of not quite Antifa level leftism, but certainly past DSA leftism, I think would be fair to say.

01:10:40.000 That is sort of what's suspected he was a part of, just based off of what people have been able to dig up.

01:10:45.000 Again, this will all come out in the trial, um, because.

01:10:48.000 The government there has just kept a lid on everything.

01:10:51.000 I think that this is why people believe that there's like a worldwide conspiracy through media, like that there's an agenda through media, is because it almost seems like no matter what country it is, if it's a Western country and the media is reporting on it, there's always going to be a bias one way.

01:11:08.000 And I mean, you can look at the stories that we covered tonight, right?

01:11:14.000 ICE officer shoots protester and they're always upfront about it and they're making links that aren't necessarily there, but they want to paint it in this particular way.

01:11:22.000 But then you have a very prominent figure in Britain be brutally murdered in her own house.

01:11:29.000 And it's the way it's laid out from the media, it's not obvious that they're trying to defend it as opposed to just lay it out there.

01:11:42.000 Yeah, they want every reasonable doubt to be given immediately and for the duration until it's reluctance.

01:11:47.000 I mean, that would be the word you would use here is they understand, the BBC understands they have to report this one because they all knew her.

01:11:54.000 And I know people personally that were.

01:11:56.000 Friendly with her that knew her personally, and they've all said she's the most lovely, friendly woman in the world.

01:12:00.000 They're not just, and one of them said, and I'm not just saying that because she's in the news, like I would have told you that a week ago.

01:12:04.000 She's one of the friendliest, lovely.

01:12:05.000 So, all these people in the media know her, they probably have a relationship with her.

01:12:10.000 So, the fact that they understand they have to report it, but what you're hitting on is the reluctance to actually disclose what actually went down because it would be so politically inconvenient for them.

01:12:19.000 Remember when the photo came out of Trump and Butler, and they were like, Trump fell over on stage, yeah, yeah, that's what it's reluctance, where again, if.

01:12:31.000 And I mean, it's the most moot point in the world where, I mean, it's almost like cliche at this point, but it's true.

01:12:35.000 Is that again, if a situation like this happened? 0.94

01:12:38.000 I mean, think about the Paul Pelosi thing, and this is what this guy actually did, is what they described happened to Paul Pelosi is actually what happened to Ann Whitacombe.

01:12:45.000 Neither here nor there.

01:12:46.000 It's wall to wall coverage.

01:12:48.000 You know, they immediately have no hesitation.

01:12:49.000 This is clearly a political attack.

01:12:51.000 And, you know, and if heaven forbid there was ever, you know, a similar Charlie Kirk style thing that would happen, and again, heaven forbid, I really genuinely don't want that.

01:12:59.000 That would be terrible.

01:13:00.000 And everyone would condemn it as they should.

01:13:03.000 And the left wing media would make sure you never hear the end of it.

01:13:06.000 They would run on it.

01:13:06.000 I mean, Joe Biden ran on Charlottesville.

01:13:08.000 Yeah.

01:13:09.000 I mean, that just tells you all I need to know.

01:13:10.000 If they can get their hands on any politically convenient situation like this, they run it into the ground where it happens to the right all the time.

01:13:18.000 That's my biggest black pill.

01:13:19.000 Whenever we talk about this stuff, I'm like, it won't matter because they'll report on it, like you say, reluctantly.

01:13:24.000 And then eventually it'll get buried and they'll stop covering it in a day or two and it disappears from the news cycle.

01:13:29.000 And as soon as it disappears from the cultural discussion, it's out of the minds of the people that you could actually sway the opinions of, the ones who haven't been radicalized to either side yet.

01:13:39.000 They're the ones who need to see.

01:13:41.000 The evidence of violence coming from other people because they need to be awoken to the idea that this is happening.

01:13:48.000 And you can run from it.

01:13:49.000 You can pretend like it's not.

01:13:51.000 Or in a lot of ways, you can just bury your head in the sand because you're not watching.

01:13:54.000 Because a lot of people aren't, right?

01:13:55.000 They go to work.

01:13:56.000 They raise their kids.

01:13:57.000 They're taking care of their family.

01:13:58.000 They've got a lot going on.

01:13:59.000 Maybe they pay attention to the news a little bit more during the presidential cycle.

01:14:04.000 Most of the time, probably not.

01:14:04.000 Maybe not.

01:14:06.000 And they know that the most nefarious way of preventing people from learning about this stuff isn't.

01:14:11.000 By covering it even in the most salacious of ways or trying to bend the narrative.

01:14:16.000 It's just simply not covering it after the initial story.

01:14:19.000 And to Tate's point, the slow drip really takes the edge off of it, right?

01:14:24.000 To put out a little bit of information about it, then a little bit, because then that also gives them cover.

01:14:28.000 They can say when it actually gets to trial, well, we talked about it, we have this.

01:14:31.000 And then if you end up getting into an argument, they'll pull up the different stories that came out over the course of six months from when the event actually happened.

01:14:42.000 To when the person was arrested, to when the trial started.

01:14:45.000 But it's not something, it's not distributed the way that if it was politically convenient for them.

01:14:52.000 Yeah, and the right in Britain is not hesitant to demonstrate at all when there is a situation like this.

01:14:59.000 We've seen this countless times whenever there's a high profile incident like this, like the Henry Novak stabbing a few months ago, demonstrations immediately.

01:15:06.000 So the right in the United Kingdom does have a unique ability compared to the United States to mobilize quickly to demonstrate, et cetera.

01:15:13.000 It takes a lot for conservatives in the United States to actually demonstrate in large numbers.

01:15:18.000 And that's like a whole other thing.

01:15:19.000 Well, they're like a state.

01:15:21.000 So it's like a whole different conversation.

01:15:21.000 Well, yeah.

01:15:21.000 Right.

01:15:23.000 But I guess the question is here with what you're saying, your black pilled is what's happening here?

01:15:29.000 Is there currently straws accumulating on a camel's back right now when you have the Henry Novak stabbing?

01:15:34.000 I mean, we could go through all the incidents that are happening on a kingdom.

01:15:37.000 Are there currently straws amassing on the camel's back?

01:15:41.000 Or is the camel standing in the wind right now?

01:15:43.000 And every time a straw falls on his back, it gets blown away immediately?

01:15:45.000 That would be the kind of the imperative question.

01:15:48.000 Are these kind of things, is there a ledger in the heads of British patriots right now saying, okay, like this is getting to the point where enough is enough?

01:15:55.000 Or to your point, is everything moving so quickly or people to kind of, I don't want to say self absorb necessarily as a derogative, it's just kind of the reality of the world we live in that they kind of just forget how angry they were in that moment.

01:16:05.000 I mean, after the Henry Novak stabbing, everyone was really angry in the United States, after the Charlie Kirk assassination, after the Arena Zroutska murder, everyone was really angry.

01:16:13.000 Do people still possess that same level of anger?

01:16:16.000 Maybe some people say they do, but I really don't.

01:16:18.000 I really don't know.

01:16:18.000 Don't know.

01:16:19.000 And so that's kind of the question.

01:16:20.000 I think this is actually leading to the radicalization.

01:16:23.000 I almost feel like news stories like this, in the way that the media is run in general, is to appease boomers.

01:16:31.000 And like once the boomers are gone, it's, I mean, the radicalization, not just in America, but just in the West in general, it's going to get exponentially worse rapidly.

01:16:31.000 Yeah.

01:16:46.000 Because most millennials that I know would be able to just look at a story like this and go, oh, yeah, they're definitely covering it up.

01:16:55.000 Like they're able to identify that at least.

01:16:58.000 But a lot of this, what they're doing, it's almost like they're just buying time.

01:17:02.000 Yeah.

01:17:03.000 Because everybody knows that the radicalization is coming.

01:17:03.000 Yeah.

01:17:07.000 And at least I feel like young people do.

01:17:09.000 Well, it's like when you have a jury trial and they try and put, like, the person is guilty, but the defense is to push it out as long as you possibly can, push the trial date back, hope people forget about what happened.

01:17:20.000 So when they pick a jury selection, people have no idea and don't care as much.

01:17:25.000 There's not this outrage surrounding the case anymore.

01:17:27.000 Yeah.

01:17:27.000 And I think jury selections, they're supposed to not know before they go in.

01:17:31.000 Probably the wrong choice.

01:17:31.000 Yeah.

01:17:32.000 They do this.

01:17:33.000 Well, as far as the media goes.

01:17:35.000 And I think one thing that we're seeing here, we've seen in the United States, is we're seeing where democracy's strength is.

01:17:41.000 And so far as it doesn't matter how radical the population gets, right?

01:17:45.000 Like, I would say the median Republican is, and I'm not saying they're necessarily misguided here, is convinced that there's pedophiles running the government, that there's a satanic cabal, they're covering up UFOs, that everything is trying to kill them at all times.

01:17:57.000 The left believes even like far crazier things than that. 0.90

01:18:00.000 I mean, they believe that like literally every police officer is killing 10,000 black people a day or whatever. 0.88

01:18:04.000 So everyone in the country. 0.79

01:18:06.000 Is very radicalized.

01:18:07.000 Everyone is thinking that everything's trying to kill them at all times.

01:18:10.000 But nothing really tangentially changes besides electing slightly more radical figures.

01:18:17.000 In the case of Donald Trump, I would say he's the most decisive figure that's ever been elected.

01:18:19.000 But we're seeing democracy's strength of containing revolution.

01:18:22.000 And the question is, or I guess what I'm trying to get at is, it doesn't really matter how radicalized boomers get, or even at this point, Gen Xers get, because the fighting is going to be done by young people.

01:18:32.000 If there's a revolution, it's going to be done by young people.

01:18:35.000 And young people in the system that we've created right now.

01:18:37.000 Are the least able to actually conduct themselves in this revolution because they already feel under the gun anyway.

01:18:42.000 They're not going to risk sticking their head out of the foxhole and getting shot.

01:18:45.000 Weirdly, and oh, good.

01:18:47.000 Well, I'm just going to say so basically, if we go back to my original analogy about the wolf and the domesticated dogs, is that we're, even if you are that wolf, you're still in a dog park in the city.

01:19:00.000 Like, there's not much, you'll just be the outsider and you'll be cast out.

01:19:00.000 Exactly.

01:19:06.000 And it's like, you know, there's.

01:19:08.000 Yeah.

01:19:08.000 I guess what I'm trying to get at, and I think it's a perfect analogy.

01:19:11.000 And what I'm trying to get at is actually, no, you kind of do have to vote your way out of this.

01:19:15.000 It's like what no one, it's almost like taking the toy away from the child because people will get online and they'll LARP all day.

01:19:19.000 Oh, I'm going to have enough.

01:19:21.000 I'm going to go out and do something about it.

01:19:22.000 Really?

01:19:22.000 Because COVID happened and like all these terrible things are happening.

01:19:25.000 And everyone's just kind of getting used to it.

01:19:27.000 The boiling frog analogy perfectly applies here.

01:19:30.000 The reality is, we got to live in reality here.

01:19:32.000 If we're like serious about impacting politics and Donald Trump understands this perfectly, is you kind of just have to vote your way out of it.

01:19:39.000 And it's not.

01:19:40.000 It's not sexy.

01:19:40.000 It doesn't sell on YouTube, but that's how political change has happened thus far.

01:19:45.000 We haven't had any serious revolutions in this country in a very long time.

01:19:48.000 Donald Trump has been seemingly the first person that's at least shaken things up.

01:19:52.000 Social media ends up taking the edge off.

01:19:55.000 It's the dopamine hit they get from talking about all of the revolution that they want to start.

01:19:59.000 Yeah, it siphons off that energy so they can learn.

01:20:01.000 It's like when you talk about you want to do something so much, it kind of destroys your will to want to do it because you keep trying to talk, you keep talking about it, not actually doing it.

01:20:09.000 Well, that's the thing is like the human being.

01:20:12.000 When they talk about something, they get the same dopamine hit that they get when they do something, which is part of the reason why, like, when you hear people that are saying they want to make a change in their life, whatever, stop talking about it.

01:20:24.000 Don't tell people, don't talk about it.

01:20:27.000 Go do something that actually moves you towards the goal that you have.

01:20:31.000 Right.

01:20:31.000 Like people that are people that want to quit smoking, and I used to be one of them, like, man, I got to quit.

01:20:35.000 I want to quit.

01:20:36.000 Man, I want to quit.

01:20:37.000 Blah, If you really want to quit, you just put cigarettes down and you stop smoking.

01:20:41.000 That's exactly how you quit.

01:20:42.000 I got to quit drinking.

01:20:43.000 I got to quit drinking.

01:20:43.000 Well, then don't drink that drink.

01:20:45.000 Well, I meet these people in DC and other power, you know, vectors around the world or power, you know, centers around the world.

01:20:52.000 And like the most influential people you've never heard, and this is like, I mean, it's a trope, but it's true, is that the most influential people.

01:20:57.000 You've never heard of them.

01:20:58.000 They don't really have much of a social media presence, or like their posting is pretty unimpressive, I suppose.

01:21:04.000 But they wield an incredible amount of influence.

01:21:06.000 And it's not always because they're wealthy.

01:21:08.000 A lot of people are just really effective, shrewd, backroom kind of people.

01:21:12.000 And the reality is, those are the people that are going to impose their will in society because they're not online LARPing all day.

01:21:18.000 They're just slowly inching the football down the field.

01:21:20.000 Like watch a game of rugby.

01:21:21.000 It's not, you know, it's not, they're not scoring every single time.

01:21:24.000 It's just slowly advancing back and forth.

01:21:26.000 They're like football, you know, it's not a touchdown every single play.

01:21:28.000 It's just slowly advancing the ball up the field a few yards at a time.

01:21:32.000 Instead of attempting a Hail Mary every single play, you're going to get picked off and lose the game.

01:21:36.000 To your point, that's something that I tend to talk to or tend to relate to callers a lot, right?

01:21:42.000 Callers come in with this fire and all this vim and vinegar, and they're like, blah, And there's nothing in blah, blah, blah.

01:21:50.000 I don't want to vote for Republicans because they blah, blah, blah.

01:21:52.000 And I'm like, well, did you work to get someone that you liked elected in the primaries?

01:21:59.000 And then it's like, they're deflated because they have all this energy.

01:22:03.000 And they're because they read something today or the national elections coming up soon and they realized it.

01:22:11.000 But, like, the time to actually exercise the little amount of political power you have was a year and a half ago or a year ago when you were, when you should have been out there knocking on doors for the guy that's primarying the guy that you hate.

01:22:25.000 You know, literally.

01:22:25.000 Yeah.

01:22:26.000 And to your point, like you said, this is going to be decided by voting.

01:22:30.000 It has to, you have to vote your way out of it.

01:22:33.000 And so get involved in the political process.

01:22:35.000 And again, to your point, it's not sexy.

01:22:37.000 It's not pretty, but Scott Pressler made real, tangible changes in Pennsylvania.

01:22:44.000 One guy moved to Pennsylvania and registered thousands and thousands and thousands of Republicans to vote, and that actually makes a difference.

01:22:52.000 Yeah, and we're seeing that democracy, you know, the system that has been sort of imposed on us in many ways is so flexible.

01:23:01.000 Like it can get way worse than it is right now.

01:23:03.000 Like this is what people think.

01:23:04.000 Some people will acknowledge that it's true when I'm calling out the LARPing that's going on.

01:23:09.000 And they'll say, well, that's true.

01:23:10.000 So we just have to wait for this all to collapse and then we'll emerge.

01:23:14.000 And I'm like, no, you won't.

01:23:15.000 Dude, I've been to South Africa.

01:23:17.000 That's a democracy.

01:23:18.000 It's flawed, et cetera.

01:23:19.000 But that country should have collapsed a really long time ago and it still hasn't.

01:23:24.000 I think the reality, and it's unfortunate, but the situation we're in is that Fukuyama was on to something that liberal democracy really is kind of this, uh, this albatross.

01:23:34.000 It's an immovable force.

01:23:35.000 So, okay, I could sit back and like wait.

01:23:38.000 And it's like, okay, when this collapses, my ideology will rise from the ashes.

01:23:41.000 There's eight other people at the table with vastly different views who are saying the same thing.

01:23:45.000 You're going to go at it with all the, like, it's just, it's nonsensical.

01:23:48.000 It's like, dude, you got to participate in what's viable now, what actual options do you have, and then pick the most viable option that you have.

01:23:55.000 I think a lot of people have felt disenfranchised.

01:23:58.000 I mean, in a way, I've kind of become one of those people because, I mean, 2020 kind of changed my view on the world and I decided that I was going to start getting involved because a lot of men that I respected and looked up to, Benthony took the jab.

01:24:15.000 Followed the mandates and basically helped enforce it on others.

01:24:20.000 And that scared me.

01:24:22.000 Yeah.

01:24:22.000 And then, you know, I saw what Joe Biden was doing, started advocating for Donald Trump.

01:24:28.000 And I believe that he was going to, you know, focus on the overstepping wannabe tyrants that, you know, overstepped their bounds back in 2020 and are continuing to do so in places like Washington State right now.

01:24:42.000 You know, like we don't really have a voice in Washington State.

01:24:45.000 Yeah.

01:24:46.000 No significant Republican has won anything of significance since we switched to universal mail in ballots back in 2011.

01:24:54.000 Mm hmm.

01:24:54.000 It's just been Democrats sweep after sweep after sweep after sweep.

01:24:58.000 And I thought a lot more attention was going to be focused on the states and ensuring elections and things of that nature.

01:25:05.000 But instead, I go on social media, I see what's happening in my local charter and it sucks because we're being outnumbered.

01:25:13.000 And then I go online and I see, I'll talk about the Middle East.

01:25:19.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:25:19.000 It's like, I don't care about the Middle East at all. 0.96

01:25:23.000 I want to withdraw everything from that. 0.98

01:25:25.000 I was told no more wars.

01:25:27.000 But instead, you know, at.

01:25:29.000 My work changed their rules because gas prices went up.

01:25:31.000 So I had to buy a commuter car.

01:25:33.000 And then I eventually left the job because of the ridiculous rules that they imposed on me.

01:25:37.000 It's like the things that were happening in Donald Trump's first term, even though that he was, you know, held back, if you want to say, it seemed that it was going in the right direction.

01:25:49.000 And this time around, it doesn't, at least from my point of view, it doesn't feel like that anymore.

01:25:54.000 It feels like there's strongholds being built.

01:25:57.000 And Donald Trump is preoccupied with wars in the Middle East.

01:26:02.000 And it's like, and so the people that have been out there, and I'm not saying I made a significant impact on the election in any way, but I mean, I advocated for Donald Trump and I believed what he said.

01:26:16.000 I really thought that there were going to be significant changes, that this was our peaceful revolution that we were going to be able to have.

01:26:22.000 Cut out the waste.

01:26:24.000 And instead, what I'm getting is people that are around me that have owned businesses their entire lives are now being taxed out of their dream home that they built with their own hands because of.

01:26:37.000 Just the insane taxes being passed in Washington state, and then the price of fuel and that cost everything else goes up because of that.

01:26:45.000 And it's like, who am I supposed to be advocating for?

01:26:49.000 And the national politics, it's harder to get people.

01:26:54.000 I mean, it's easier to get people to vote for, but it's harder to actually make any changes that are going to be significant.

01:27:02.000 The conclusion that I've come to is that you have to embody the values you wish to see in this world get married, stay married, have kids, and be involved in.

01:27:09.000 Your school, yeah, your local charter, and I mean, it starts there.

01:27:15.000 And you know, we have a lot of people online that always say, you know, like you're saying, they get all riled up, and then you know, they're being incredibly promiscuous, and they're just not dedicating their life to one woman and having kids and building a legacy with them.

01:27:31.000 It's that American culture, um, that we kind of long for.

01:27:37.000 If we continue pretending to fight about national politics or like whether or not we should or shouldn't be, and I Iran right now.

01:27:44.000 It's like all that stuff is literally just giving them more power and taking away your autonomy.

01:27:51.000 We're becoming more domesticated the more we talk about this overseas war.

01:27:56.000 So I'm not, and you know, I don't know how to stop it.

01:27:59.000 I don't know how to tell people, you know, that their focus needs to be here.

01:28:05.000 And it's like you can't actually change what's going on over there.

01:28:08.000 And I know that it's good to voice your opinion and things like that because it can help sway, you know, with.

01:28:13.000 The technology we have, it can help sway some things.

01:28:16.000 But overall, you know, if you're not embodying the values that you wish to see in this world, then we will lose our country.

01:28:24.000 Yeah.

01:28:24.000 I mean, I think you're hitting on something that is really essential.

01:28:27.000 It's not really discussed as much.

01:28:29.000 You know, people discuss this like topic at large, but like a specific thing you're hitting on is missteps from the Trump admin sting far more for people that live in blue states, for conservatives that live in blue states.

01:28:38.000 Because if you live in a blue state and you happen to love the state you live in, or at least what it used to be, it feels a lot more existential.

01:28:45.000 Where if you're in a red state, you're like, oh, Trump screwed up, but like we're good.

01:28:48.000 You know, this is all like everything's generally run all right around me. 0.95

01:28:51.000 So, I think for blue staters, missteps like I think Iran was a terrible call really does sting. 0.99

01:28:58.000 I guess, like, my count on the other side of that argument, what I would contest is we're not going to really get like a Napoleon in the current system that we have. 0.94

01:29:06.000 Like, to your point, we are kind of domesticated.

01:29:08.000 Like, the system has been set up in a way that it's very rigid.

01:29:12.000 Like, it is impossible to really have these, you know, Russian revolution moments or French revolution moments kind of by intention.

01:29:19.000 And so, the difficult thing is, while Yes, many people are extremely frustrated with President Trump to the point where they don't even want to vote for the Republican Party or that sort of thing.

01:29:28.000 And it's like, I actually totally understand that impulse.

01:29:30.000 I'm not one of these people that completely dismisses that.

01:29:33.000 I guess my issue is what other show is there in town?

01:29:38.000 Because Trump has gotten us to this point where I do think we're at least seeing a slimmer of victory now, where it's like, okay, I could still see how we could win, where I think people forget what it was like during Biden and people really forget what it was like under Obama.

01:29:52.000 Where it felt like Hillary Clinton was going to win, and then it was like raps.

01:29:55.000 Like people were arranging second passports.

01:29:57.000 Like things were getting crazy.

01:29:58.000 Same thing in the Biden winner when I was like, Trump, I didn't think he was going to come back.

01:30:03.000 You know, we were just going to get stuck with like a neocon or something on the Republican ticket.

01:30:07.000 And again, it would just be kind of game over, especially during COVID.

01:30:10.000 So I'm like, I share the same frustrations with Trump, especially in Iran. 0.81

01:30:14.000 I mean, I think Iran's particularly enraging and just a completely unforced blunder.

01:30:20.000 But I guess what I'm saying is, I think he's still our most viable political vehicle for our ideas insofar as. 0.99

01:30:26.000 Again, I don't think there's any other shows in town.

01:30:28.000 And I do think the things that the Trump administration has done right are very decisive insofar as breaking up USAID, the increase in immigration.

01:30:36.000 We want to see far more deportations, obviously, but at least that we're getting them funding and getting the supplies and setting the foundation, the infrastructure that would be needed for mass deportations.

01:30:44.000 I mean, breaking up DEI, like a slew of policies the Trump administration has introduced.

01:30:49.000 It's just, it's not sexy.

01:30:50.000 Like, it's not Napoleon.

01:30:51.000 It's very hard to get people to continue to talk about the wins when people want to focus more on the things that are going wrong.

01:30:56.000 Well, and but to Steelman, like what people that are really frustrated with Trump are saying is, They were expecting a Caesar, and what they're getting is, you know, a really good Republican.

01:31:05.000 So, you know, I understand why people are really frustrated, especially if you live in a blue state, because it's like, dude, it's like we kind of ran out of time already.

01:31:12.000 Like, I came from New York.

01:31:13.000 Like, New York, they actually kind of ran out of time like 10 years ago.

01:31:16.000 So the existentialness really ramps up if you live in a blue state.

01:31:20.000 Well, and not just that, like, thinking about my children's future.

01:31:27.000 2016 is when Trump entered office, and the national debt was, let's see, January of 2017.

01:31:33.000 It was.

01:31:35.000 Maybe 19 trillion dollars, yeah, and now we're almost at 40 trillion, yeah.

01:31:41.000 And Trump has been in office for five and a half out of those 10 years, yeah.

01:31:47.000 So, the majority of the time he's been in office, and what I see is that, regardless of what I feel is a win right now, we're still robbing wealth from our children, yeah.

01:31:57.000 We're there's no way around it, and I don't know how to correct that, um, as of yet, but I mean, yeah, we do get some wins here and there, but those wins are coming at the expense of.

01:32:09.000 Of the wealth of our children.

01:32:10.000 Well, the national debt is an interesting one because, you know, the only ways to fix the national debt situation, which I totally agree, the only solutions for the national debt, I should say, are completely politically unviable because over half of our spending is, you know, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.

01:32:30.000 You even threaten to touch Social Security, you're done.

01:32:33.000 Politically, you're done. 1.00

01:32:34.000 Because the elderly. 1.00

01:32:34.000 You can't do that even if you don't say it. 1.00

01:32:36.000 Dude, like Democrats will literally hit Republicans over the head with this all the time because they understand that the elderly.

01:32:36.000 Exactly.

01:32:43.000 In many ways, they are one issue voters.

01:32:45.000 A lot of them, they will claim they weren't, but they are.

01:32:46.000 Is that as soon as they come after your Social Security or your Medicaid, whatever you name it, they get really animated.

01:32:54.000 So, the ultimate way to really chip away at our debt is we shouldn't be spending half of our budget on this.

01:32:58.000 This is insane.

01:32:59.000 The military budget, I think, could be shrunk a little bit, but I would say back down to like $800 billion, which is still a good amount of spending.

01:33:05.000 But as far as what's taking, what is continuing this debt cycle, what is causing us to spend more than we're taking in, it is these massive welfare systems that we have.

01:33:15.000 And people will hit on low income welfare, and it's like that's a problem.

01:33:18.000 But the main problem, because no one wants to talk about it, is Social Security.

01:33:22.000 And to your point, it's a political non starter because the most reliable voting bloc in the United States is elderly people, is old people.

01:33:32.000 And they're the ones that have, you know, they'll swear up and down, oh, well, I paid into this and I get this money because this is my money that I'm getting back. 0.59

01:33:41.000 And the average person gets something like 10 times the amount of money that they ever put in from Social Security.

01:33:47.000 And so the idea that.

01:33:49.000 I mean, that's why I think that so many people on both the left and the right, like, they've stopped thinking about fiscal responsibility because it's just something that you hear politicians talk about to get you to vote, right?

01:34:03.000 Even Donald Trump.

01:34:03.000 I didn't feel like that was something he was even pushing.

01:34:06.000 Like, in his first term, he talked about balancing the budget.

01:34:09.000 I mean, every president says that, but they can't.

01:34:12.000 That's politically impossible.

01:34:13.000 But the point that I'm making is even on the right now, you've got people that are like, you know, they're like, They think, well, we shouldn't have social programs for immigrants, but we should definitely have social programs for Americans or do something for Americans.

01:34:29.000 And it stopped being a situation where there's economically conservative people in America.

01:34:34.000 Like you've got a lot of people that are on the right that say, well, there should be programs for Americans because Americans are hurting.

01:34:39.000 And it's true, Americans, you know, there are people out there that are, you know, low income that have been in the country, that have had families that have been in the country for generations.

01:34:48.000 But there's no longer an appetite.

01:34:51.000 To vote for people that say, oh, we've got to do something about the budget.

01:34:54.000 We've got to do something about the spending.

01:34:57.000 It is political kryptonite.

01:34:58.000 And in 2033, I think it is.

01:35:02.000 That's when it goes insolvent, so to speak, which just means they're going to start funding it through other sources.

01:35:07.000 It's going to be taxes.

01:35:08.000 Everyone's taxes are going to go up by 5% to 10% to manage that bill.

01:35:13.000 And the system that we're living in is so unbelievably indefensible insofar as we're transferring wealth from the young, from the capable, to the old and the incapable.

01:35:23.000 From the broke.

01:35:24.000 To the rich, too.

01:35:25.000 Well, yeah, to some degree, yeah.

01:35:27.000 And so it's just completely indefensible.

01:35:29.000 And this is what we touched on at pre show, it's one of the most controversial subjects in conservative media right now.

01:35:35.000 This is why I see property tax, the idea of property tax abolition, really is just another form of wealth transfer from the young to the old.

01:35:42.000 And the way I would sort of lay this out is if you're not elderly and you're paying property taxes and you're advocating for the abolition of property taxes, I understand that. 0.66

01:35:50.000 What I'm hitting on here is the main beneficiaries of property tax abolition will be the elderly. 0.61

01:35:55.000 Like, there's no doubt about it.

01:35:56.000 It will be the elderly because it's the last tax that they really have to pay.

01:36:00.000 The big beautiful bill really cut down Social Security taxes.

01:36:02.000 So the last real tax that they have to pay is property tax.

01:36:06.000 And what's going to happen when you abolish property taxes?

01:36:08.000 Are these, as we've hit on, the government's incapable of balancing a budget.

01:36:12.000 If they cut property taxes, do you think all these governments, these local governments, the state governments, are going to be like, oh, we're out of this revenue source.

01:36:17.000 Let's trim everything on.

01:36:18.000 Let's use austerity measures.

01:36:20.000 What's going to end up happening is they're going to pass a cocktail, you know, a slew of taxes, which will directly hit working age adults, which will directly hit the young.

01:36:20.000 No.

01:36:31.000 And this is what we're seeing.

01:36:32.000 You know, we saw in Hillsborough County, which is the Tampa Bay, you know, Tampa Bay.

01:36:36.000 They, Released a document sort of saying, Here's what we're going to do because Florida is looking like they're going to abolish property tax.

01:36:43.000 88% of property taxes in Hillsborough County fund the sheriff's department, fund the fire department, fund the schools, and fund the electoral office, which I think we would all agree are four offices that to varying degrees we support, at least we want to see in our communities.

01:36:57.000 So Hillsborough County is saying, Okay, well, how do we fund this?

01:36:57.000 88% of the taxes.

01:37:00.000 Should we practice austerity?

01:37:01.000 Should we cut funding for schools?

01:37:03.000 Or should we maybe lean up the fire department or something?

01:37:06.000 Or maybe cut some of these other programs, like maybe these buses?

01:37:08.000 No.

01:37:09.000 They introduce new taxes and those taxes.

01:37:12.000 There's a tax on parks.

01:37:13.000 So now, if you want to go to a park in Hillsborough County, you're going to be charged a separate tax to fund those parks.

01:37:18.000 You're going to pay, you're going to have a higher sales tax.

01:37:22.000 And what's going to end up happening is when someone goes to purchase a home, they're going to have all the lost property tax revenue front loaded on the initial purchase of your home.

01:37:30.000 So you're still going to be paying for young people that are trying to enter the housing market.

01:37:34.000 Your closing costs just went up 20%, 30%, because the county can no longer depend on you for property tax revenue.

01:37:39.000 So they got to get it from somewhere.

01:37:40.000 I guess what I'm trying to say is the money's got to come from somewhere.

01:37:43.000 And so, what's going to happen is it's going to be a wealth, another wealth transfer from the young, primarily to the old.

01:37:49.000 Yep. 0.59

01:37:50.000 All right.

01:37:50.000 We're going to jump to this last story from Time magazine.

01:37:54.000 Community backlash to AI data centers is growing across the U.S. When Laura Beth moved to Cowda County, Georgia in 2023, she was drawn to her new home's rural location.

01:38:04.000 It was far from any major roads or highways and had a sprawling open land behind it.

01:38:09.000 Our last home, the surrounding area, was becoming very overdeveloped.

01:38:12.000 We had a distribution center less than a mile from our house.

01:38:14.000 And it was just kind of this urban encroachment, she said.

01:38:17.000 We knew about the land behind us and thought the worst thing it could be was a subdivision, because who in their right mind would want to build anything out here?

01:38:23.000 Then at the start of 2025, she saw an article announcing that a new data center would be coming to her hometown.

01:38:28.000 As she read it, a realization dawned on her a hyperscale data center spanning more than 4.9 million square feet had been proposed and was expected to run right through her backyard.

01:38:37.000 I didn't know who to reach out to, who to talk to, who would give me some help or more information, she says, so she decided to start a Facebook group called Stop Project Sale.

01:38:47.000 To connect with their neighborhood and with their neighbors and discuss the proposed plan.

01:38:50.000 More than 8,000 people have now joined the group and have been organizing petitions, signing, installing yard signs, and mounting a legal fight against Cottoway County and Atlas Development, the company behind the project.

01:39:01.000 There are a lot of people that are very, very afraid of data centers.

01:39:06.000 So I understand if you've got a data center going up, like right in your suburban neighborhood, that can be off putting.

01:39:16.000 But overall, the fear that I hear from people about data centers, they're like, oh, they're.

01:39:20.000 They're going to take up all the water and they're going to charge your electricity costs are going to go up.

01:39:26.000 And if you do some research with an open mind, because a lot of people that are against data centers are against data centers on an emotional level, right?

01:39:35.000 They're like, oh, AI is bad and these data centers are bad.

01:39:39.000 And so you can't convince them.

01:39:40.000 They're not going to be convinced.

01:39:42.000 But if you do some research with an open mind, the idea that data centers use up water is just totally wrong.

01:39:49.000 Like it's a closed system, usually.

01:39:54.000 So there's no extra water.

01:39:55.000 The idea that a data center, people have this conception of data centers as if they're just dumping, you know, chemical water into the local river or whatever.

01:40:07.000 And that's just not the case.

01:40:08.000 The same thing with power.

01:40:09.000 Like power that data centers use, generally, you don't see a massive increase in your municipal power cost or whatever.

01:40:21.000 So, were you going to say something?

01:40:23.000 No, I said, where does the misnomer come from?

01:40:24.000 Where does the misconception come from about the water?

01:40:27.000 Because that's the number one argument that I hear against it.

01:40:30.000 I'm not sure where people got the idea that they use, you know, they contaminate the water, but the way that people kind of articulate it when I hear people.

01:40:37.000 I thought it wasn't just contaminated, like they use a lot of fresh water.

01:40:40.000 The argument is that, like, it increases your water bill, basically.

01:40:43.000 Yeah, and that doesn't happen either.

01:40:44.000 Yeah, typically.

01:40:45.000 It just doesn't happen, right?

01:40:46.000 And when you say use water, it's as if, like, they take the water and then it goes away and nobody gets it ever again.

01:40:52.000 Like, it just, it's almost like they're, you know, breaking up the chemical composition.

01:40:57.000 What were the stories that were coming out where they're like, they thought the, the, Poison lettuce was because all the fresh water is going to the data centers and they were using steam.

01:41:05.000 I've heard people say that it makes the water really hot, like heats up the water that it uses.

01:41:10.000 Well, when you heat up water, it just turns to steam and then goes into the, you know, it evaporates and it's.

01:41:15.000 Water doesn't like disappear.

01:41:17.000 That's the thing.

01:41:18.000 It just breaks down.

01:41:19.000 You know, the idea that people have that, like, oh, the water is going to get used up and we're not going to have any water to drink.

01:41:24.000 It's like, that's not how it works.

01:41:29.000 Like, water that gets heated, you know, boils and gets evaporated.

01:41:33.000 I understand.

01:41:34.000 Yeah, I understand the opposition to data centers and suburbs.

01:41:39.000 I live in Northern Virginia and there are data centers everywhere.

01:41:42.000 I think they're horrific.

01:41:43.000 They do make noise.

01:41:44.000 There are people that are data center proponents and they're like, what are you?

01:41:47.000 That's the airport.

01:41:47.000 I'm like, dude, no.

01:41:49.000 I drive by them and I can hear them.

01:41:50.000 They're annoying.

01:41:51.000 They're loud.

01:41:52.000 And I do think the main attack vector on data centers that I'm sympathetic to is the idea that they're overbuilding them.

01:41:59.000 And so far as we're actually building far more than the actual need.

01:42:05.000 Is for them right now.

01:42:06.000 I think that's probably true.

01:42:07.000 You're seeing tech companies because they have to publish their quarterly earnings and there's an entire balance sheet.

01:42:13.000 Companies like Alphabet, companies like Meta, dude, they're draining their coffers on these data centers.

01:42:18.000 So they're really making a big bet on data centers.

01:42:20.000 And I think that might be a mistake because if it is true what a lot of economists suspect that there is going to be an AI bubble that pops inevitably, then we're going to have a lot of unused data centers.

01:42:32.000 And that's going to be a big problem.

01:42:33.000 But insofar as the opposition to the data center in and of itself, again, I, Again, I kind of understand, but it's one of those things where I think if you kind of maybe kind of read into it and have a, you know, be a bit open to maybe the idea that these could be potentially beneficial, you would be a bit surprised insofar as I think the main thing about them that I think is interesting is that they provide a massive revenue injection to counties that desperately need them.

01:42:58.000 I mean, it was in Washington.

01:42:59.000 I was reading an article at Washington, Quincy County, I think, or Quincy was in a county.

01:43:04.000 I think Grant County was the name of the county.

01:43:06.000 And it's a very rural county.

01:43:09.000 A very impoverished county.

01:43:11.000 Microsoft in like 06 built a data center there and it massively boosted the revenue for the county.

01:43:17.000 They were able to get a much needed source of revenue because most people were moving out of the county and businesses were moving out and that sort of thing.

01:43:22.000 And the assessed land value of the homes went up like 1200%, like an insane amount.

01:43:29.000 Because A, the data center, even though it doesn't generate as many jobs as people think it might, it does attract very high paying jobs and those people demand.

01:43:38.000 You know, more luxury amenities from their homes and that sort of thing.

01:43:41.000 And in addition to that, the county was able to now use the generated income to, you know, put it back into the infrastructure, put it back into schools, police, et cetera.

01:43:50.000 Do you think that there's a bubble that's going to burst?

01:43:53.000 Personally, I don't.

01:43:54.000 I mean, I kind of go back and forth because I think the use case for AI is overstated.

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 Like, I think the doomers and also the optimists are both overstating the long term trajectory of AI.

01:44:05.000 I think the ceiling is kind of coming into view of like what it's capable of.

01:44:09.000 And it's not the LLMs that we should be worried about.

01:44:11.000 It's just like its actual ability to process data at volume.

01:44:15.000 I think that is ultimately what we're seeing the ceiling for.

01:44:18.000 And that means that it's going to, again, progress technology and sort of, you know, in many ways change our world.

01:44:25.000 But I don't know if it's going to be this like, Dynamic, you know, it's a paradigm changer, like people say it's going to be.

01:44:30.000 But I also don't think that it's necessarily overvalued insofar as the ability to process large amounts of data very quickly is worth its weight in gold.

01:44:38.000 There's data management companies you never heard of that are making a killing because they are able to produce, like Salesforce.

01:44:44.000 Hello, Salesforce.

01:44:45.000 You know, who's heard of Salesforce until like three years ago?

01:44:47.000 They're one of the biggest companies in America.

01:44:49.000 They'd like literally make spreadsheets, basically.

01:44:49.000 What do they do?

01:44:51.000 It's a micromanagement system.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, but it's data management and data management, CRMs, et cetera.

01:44:55.000 Those are worth their weight in gold.

01:44:57.000 So I do think the value of these AI companies.

01:45:00.000 That might be there, but insofar as the use case for AI, if people are putting money into AI, expecting it to really become this all encompassing, paradigm changing technology, that's where the bubble may burst.

01:45:14.000 That's where they think the value is going to be.

01:45:16.000 That's where they might just sell out and dump their data.

01:45:19.000 I think that when it comes to practical usage for AI, I think that it's probably smart enough now for the average user.

01:45:30.000 Siri was a massive disappointment for people. 0.99

01:45:32.000 Siri sucks. 0.99

01:45:33.000 It was always Siri's going to do this, Siri's going to do that. 0.98

01:45:35.000 I think that now, uh, agentic AI in phones, I think the next generation of iPhone with the incorporation of ChatGPT inside of it, it's going to make you able to tell your phone to do things and it'll actually do it, right?

01:45:51.000 Because you can do that now with Claude or what have you.

01:45:54.000 Type in something, Claude, do this for me or whatever, and it'll do it.

01:45:57.000 And it actually is functional.

01:45:59.000 And there are programs where you can have, if you give the AI access to your computer, to your desktop, it can open up, uh, You know, open up browsers, go to websites, do things, book stuff for you.

01:46:10.000 You give it a credit card, it can go ahead and pay for things for you.

01:46:13.000 You can do all that stuff.

01:46:14.000 And that's going to be, I think, the reason why people haven't adopted it.

01:46:18.000 They say that AI has jagged edges, right?

01:46:21.000 If you look at the things that AI is capable of and how much people are actually using it, I think the missing thing is the killer app, quote unquote, right?

01:46:29.000 Like, so everyone that has a phone, when you can have a phone and just say, do this.

01:46:37.000 And it does it, and your grandmother can do that, right?

01:46:40.000 Your boomer grandmother can say, You can say, 'Oh, granny, you can just say, blah, blah, blah, do this,' and it does it.

01:46:48.000 I think that that's when people are going to realize, 'Oh, wow, AI actually is capable.

01:46:54.000 It can do all these things, and it does make my life easier.' And then, as for the ability to have AI in like robots, you see a lot of people talking about robots, and a lot of companies are building robots and stuff.

01:47:05.000 Once the AI is able to navigate the real world, because right now, You know, I everyone knows I got a Tesla and it does the full self driving thing.

01:47:13.000 And if I'm like very rarely do I drive anymore, I just get in, I type in the address, and it does it all for me.

01:47:19.000 So, if a car can do that, which is a limited number of inputs, right?

01:47:24.000 You can go forward, backward, right, left.

01:47:26.000 You have to worry about cars.

01:47:27.000 That's a lot of variables, but that's not the same as being able to function in the real world, right?

01:47:33.000 There's almost an unlimited number.

01:47:34.000 So, once you get an AI and a robot that can actually walk around the real world and doesn't fall over all the time.

01:47:42.000 It doesn't ruin your clothes when it's doing your laundry or whatever.

01:47:46.000 And I honestly think that we're probably a year or two away from that where they can function in society, maybe two years.

01:47:52.000 Once that happens, and I've made this prediction on the show before, you're going to see robots that are going to be $30,000 and it's going to be a six year loan or five year loan, and it's going to be at 7, 8, 9% for the loan, just like a car.

01:48:09.000 And people are going to say, Do I want to get a second car to go and take me to my job or what have you?

01:48:15.000 Or do I want to get a robot that can do a bunch of things around the house and save me time?

01:48:20.000 And I think that people are really going to start getting into that.

01:48:24.000 I think young people will be first.

01:48:26.000 But you'll see a lot of people getting into that.

01:48:28.000 And then as time progresses a little bit, you'll see a lot of millennials getting, end up, when they get old, they'll get, you know, assisted care by robots because there's a lot of millennials that don't have kids.

01:48:39.000 These things, I think, are well within the realistic scope of what AI capable robots are going to be able to do.

01:48:48.000 So I don't think that it's a bubble.

01:48:50.000 I think there's some bottlenecks, you know, but I don't think that it's actually a bubble.

01:48:54.000 I think that the ability to process information and intelligence.

01:49:00.000 Is the most valuable thing human beings have ever discovered.

01:49:04.000 I think that information, that the ability to, well, actually, intelligence is the most valuable thing on the planet.

01:49:11.000 And if you can artificially produce intelligence that makes people's lives easier, then I think that there is basically an unlimited desire for that.

01:49:11.000 Right.

01:49:11.000 Yeah.

01:49:23.000 I can tell that you might have a different perspective.

01:49:25.000 Well, so like when you bring this stuff up, the problems that I foresee isn't the fact that we're going to have data centers and we're going to have to worry about water.

01:49:34.000 Like, I don't foresee that as being the problem.

01:49:37.000 The problem is going to be convincing people that real life, well, okay, there's two separate things.

01:49:44.000 Convincing people that real life is better for you and your family long term than the virtual life that you can build, that's going to be really difficult because trying to convince people to resist the temptations of AI is going to be nearly impossible.

01:50:06.000 And then, two, when you say, when you just tell your phone, you know, I had a pipe burst in my house and I need a plumber, hire me the best plumber for the most reasonable rate.

01:50:20.000 That's selection.

01:50:21.000 And that to me reads credit score, like social credit score, that you're going to be auto selected out if you're a controversial person by these AI groups or this kind of AI, is that you are going to be.

01:50:40.000 And it's in a way, it's this way now with how we use algorithms.

01:50:48.000 You can have a phenomenal podcast and nobody hears it.

01:50:54.000 You can have great thoughts and nobody will hear it because it's very, very difficult to break through that.

01:51:02.000 Once it gets complete control of almost every industry, you're going to have businesses that thrive that are selected to thrive.

01:51:11.000 I understand the concern, but I think that we're seeing the solution kind of there if you look, right?

01:51:22.000 So people complain about Grok, or they'll complain about ChatGPT, or they'll complain about Claude.

01:51:30.000 Specifically, you hear a lot of people that talk about ChatGPT and Claude, and they're like, oh, well, they're woke.

01:51:37.000 They give you pre recorded answers, or they only give you answers that are politically correct.

01:51:42.000 And I think the answer to what you're Or the solution to what your concern is, is multiple different competing AIs, right?

01:51:49.000 So, you go to Grok and you don't really get the same kind of woke answers that you do.

01:51:56.000 And also, there are different ways to set up an AI agent.

01:52:01.000 So, any AI that you want to use to do things, that's an agent, right?

01:52:06.000 It's agentic.

01:52:07.000 I have an AI, the agent that I told it about myself and I told it about the things that I expect from it.

01:52:15.000 And it does the things that I ask.

01:52:18.000 Like, I ask people.

01:52:21.000 The other night we were talking about the representative from Delaware, the trans woman.

01:52:26.000 What's his name?

01:52:27.000 Oh, I forgot.

01:52:29.000 Ashley something?

01:52:29.000 Sarah McBride.

01:52:30.000 No, Sarah McBride is the.

01:52:31.000 And I said, Is Sarah McBride a man?

01:52:34.000 And the answer was biologically male, born a male, trans female. 1.00

01:52:39.000 So it was accurate.

01:52:41.000 And it wasn't like, No, Sarah McBride's a woman because you have to accept her worldview or whatever.

01:52:50.000 So it.

01:52:51.000 The ability to have an AI that doesn't do things like you said, like, oh, you know, worry about social credit scores, that is being hashed out right now.

01:53:02.000 And that's one of the things that, you know, whether or not you're a fan of Elon Musk, that's one of the things that Grok, he's trying to make sure that Grok doesn't do.

01:53:09.000 And, you know, the people that work at Anthropic, right, they're all very, very left leaning, very, very woke.

01:53:15.000 And Claude is a reflection of that.

01:53:18.000 Same kind of thing with ChatGPT. 0.94

01:53:20.000 But if you go to, if you go with the Chinese, Open models, right? 0.98

01:53:26.000 Like Kimmy K, it's not the same kind of thing.

01:53:29.000 So it depends on which AI you go with, and you're going to have a choice.

01:53:33.000 You're going to have, you're going to say, I want this in my AI, I want that in my AI.

01:53:36.000 And that's only going to become more as people demand more.

01:53:41.000 Because one of the things that markets have always done is offered people selection.

01:53:45.000 And the more options you have, the less you're going to be pigeonholed into one specific thing.

01:53:53.000 So I understand what you're saying because the possibility is there.

01:53:56.000 I mean, that's kind of what goes on in.

01:53:58.000 In China, like the AI models that China gets are not the same ones that they put out to the rest of the world. 0.80

01:54:04.000 You know, that is what happens in China.

01:54:06.000 But as long as there's a market where you have competing AIs, there's going to be people that are going to say, Hey, I don't want this from an AI.

01:54:14.000 I want an AI that does this, does that.

01:54:16.000 Well, I think, Nita, you did make a really interesting point, which was I don't know if people will be able to resist.

01:54:21.000 And I think we kind of touched on earlier with some of our previous conversations that seemingly people cannot resist the urge to smooth out their life insofar as to remove.

01:54:32.000 Remove potential obstacles or friction, right?

01:54:34.000 Friction.

01:54:35.000 And I think what you're hitting on is really important there because that would be maybe my one fear with AI.

01:54:40.000 Because while anecdotally, I have seen Zoomers specifically almost like I'm a tech optimist, but the way I actually, my relationship with technology is almost very like Luddite.

01:54:51.000 Like my phone's really one of the only technologies I have in my home.

01:54:54.000 I like, I prefer my car to have no gizmos or gadgets whatsoever.

01:54:58.000 But I don't know how many, I don't know if that's going to be because I know anecdotally, a lot of other people that are ditching their smartphones for dumb phones and that sort of thing.

01:55:05.000 I'm wondering what you think.

01:55:05.000 Do you think there would be a potential reversion?

01:55:07.000 Like, do you think maybe even Gen Alpha might just say, hang on, let's just go back?

01:55:11.000 Or do you think it's kind of inevitable that people just adopt these technologies in mass?

01:55:14.000 I kind of hope that there's going to be a separate economy for people that don't necessarily want to live in that robot world.

01:55:22.000 Yeah.

01:55:23.000 You know, like the divide between city and rural right now.

01:55:28.000 Like, there's so many jobs out there that as of now, I can't envision a robot doing anywhere in the near future.

01:55:36.000 Especially with fingers and.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:38.000 And not only that.

01:55:40.000 Going out assessing a property.

01:55:43.000 Like the, a lot of the AI stuff works really well in the city, you know, at distribution warehouses, things of that nature.

01:55:51.000 But like the job that I had for many years was like roadside repair for blowouts and tires.

01:55:58.000 Yeah.

01:55:59.000 And it's a unique job that I don't understand how, and maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't understand how a robot would be capable of doing, you know, a quarter of the jobs even that I had.

01:56:14.000 Yeah.

01:56:15.000 And so, It's almost like we're going to have to have separate societies in a way.

01:56:21.000 Yeah.

01:56:22.000 Because there's just going to be the technology people that live in the cities, and then there's going to be the rural people.

01:56:29.000 And hopefully, the rural people are going to be able to preserve the American spirit because a lot of this stuff with the AI technology and having it be capable of doing everything for you has, I mean, that idea has bred planned obsolescence into almost everything.

01:56:49.000 And And replacing instead of repairing and maintaining something, which the American spirit was supposed to be, you know, you, you know, like you, I guess the refrigerator is the best, you know, example that I can give is that they used to make them to where it was where you could repair it.

01:57:06.000 Yeah.

01:57:07.000 And then it would last 50 years.

01:57:08.000 Now you buy a $3,500 refrigerator and the water stops working in a year.

01:57:12.000 And then, you know, in two years, a seal breaks and your warranty works out right before that.

01:57:12.000 Yeah.

01:57:17.000 Yeah.

01:57:18.000 And then it's more expensive to repair it than it is to replace it.

01:57:21.000 It's insane because they have to have their tech guy come out and fix it.

01:57:25.000 And so, like, I don't want to live in that world.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, that's a great point.

01:57:28.000 And I'm not sure what I would want to give up.

01:57:31.000 Like, I'm not sure how much I have to give up, but I'm willing to do it if I can have that separate society.

01:57:37.000 That's a good point.

01:57:38.000 We're going to go to Super Chat.

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01:57:51.000 But right now, we're going to read your Super Chats.

01:57:54.000 Let's see.

01:57:56.000 Hitman Zarelli says, Rogue AI, degenerate culture, war zone cities, LA, Chicago, Seattle, New York, cyber enhanced people in the future.

01:58:04.000 I think cyberpunk 2077 is our future.

01:58:07.000 I mean, that's what we're just kind of touching on.

01:58:10.000 But I'm not as black pilled as a lot of people are.

01:58:14.000 I think that your point about, you know, there are some jobs that robots aren't going to be able to do for a while.

01:58:20.000 I mean, right now, there aren't really any jobs that humanoid robots can do, right?

01:58:25.000 Like they're still in development.

01:58:26.000 No, there's the teacher that they're introducing to the school on the reservation.

01:58:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:32.000 So, okay, so they're just starting now.

01:58:35.000 But, you know, I think that eventually you're going to have robots as assistants out on the job to go change tires or to go help people, you know, get people out of a ditch or whatever.

01:58:48.000 And whether or not they completely replace people in every job, I don't think that that's probably going to happen.

01:58:54.000 But I do think that there's going to be a lot of people that are going to have.

01:58:56.000 They'll go and go to a job and they'll be a human being with the hands almost solved.

01:59:03.000 There's so many jobs that require such unique dexterity that it feels like that's almost.

01:59:08.000 There was just a hand that came out last week that I saw videos for, and they're like screwing in light bulbs.

01:59:14.000 It's got 20, like the human hand has 27 degrees of mobility, and I think this had like 25.

01:59:21.000 So it's something, all of those problems, all the things that we think robots aren't dexterous enough, robots can't do this, robots can't do that.

01:59:30.000 I think that all those are solvable problems.

01:59:32.000 Elon Musk likes to say the only no is physics, right?

01:59:35.000 So if human beings can do it, you can figure out how to get a robot to do it.

01:59:40.000 Are they sending teachers in reservations?

01:59:42.000 There is a school.

01:59:43.000 Did you see this article?

01:59:45.000 Yeah, there's a school that has a pilot program where RealBotix has basically their alternative version of a sex doll that has been made into a teacher.

01:59:59.000 And it's a closed system.

02:00:00.000 Kids can't access the internet. 0.91

02:00:02.000 And it's on Red's Race.

02:00:03.000 It's on like a specific school.

02:00:05.000 And they got.

02:00:05.000 Why do we have the Native Patriot here?

02:00:07.000 This is the perfect guy to ask. 1.00

02:00:08.000 Why do they have to make it a sex doll? 0.98

02:00:10.000 Well, they.

02:00:12.000 I don't know what reservation it's on.

02:00:13.000 I can't remember, but I did see that. 1.00

02:00:17.000 And it's a way to replace women. 1.00

02:00:19.000 Oh, man. 1.00

02:00:20.000 It really is.

02:00:20.000 I mean, it's not taking the job, but it's going to tag you.

02:00:24.000 The wife is supposed to be the mother. 0.99

02:00:26.000 The wife is supposed to teach, nurture, and help raise the children. 0.99

02:00:31.000 And now we're not just going to have the state do it. 1.00

02:00:33.000 We're going to have AI do it. 1.00

02:00:34.000 They're replacing women. 1.00

02:00:35.000 I saw Waymo crash. 1.00

02:00:36.000 They're replacing women. 1.00

02:00:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:40.000 It's the same doll they use, only it's with a different system on the inside.

02:00:45.000 Very right, but why did they have to?

02:00:47.000 Well, I thrust McTrunk Punch, thrust McTrunk Punch says, You did just have Claude disprove the Jacobin conjecture and advance the field of mathematics.

02:00:57.000 Definitely seems like there's potential in AI.

02:00:59.000 People say that AI isn't capable of creative thought because it's only it learns from the internet, so it can only do things that human beings have done.

02:01:09.000 And so that's kind of where breakthroughs happen is like in human beings because they can think creatively.

02:01:15.000 But I don't think that that's actually the case.

02:01:17.000 Babies don't really think creatively.

02:01:20.000 You know, and AI is in its baby stage right now.

02:01:22.000 Yeah.

02:01:23.000 So there will be a point where it flips.

02:01:25.000 Yeah.

02:01:26.000 But wouldn't solving a math formula mean that it, because no one's denying it's just math.

02:01:30.000 No one's denying it's computing capabilities.

02:01:30.000 Yeah.

02:01:32.000 We're just denying its ability to have like the Imago Day, right?

02:01:35.000 No, but that's the thing that the particular, like the Jacobian conjecture, it's an advancement.

02:01:41.000 It's one of those kind of math problems that human beings haven't been able to solve yet.

02:01:46.000 But that's like no one's, I don't even know what answers are there.

02:01:47.000 No one's completed chess, but that would be a computing issue, not a creative issue.

02:01:52.000 I don't know enough about mathematics to be able to answer your question properly, to be honest with you.

02:01:57.000 I'm still firm that I've seen the ceiling of AI.

02:02:02.000 Forced name change says, I'm an agnostic theist.

02:02:05.000 I believe in God, but I recognize that there's no way to prove He exists.

02:02:08.000 God wants it this way.

02:02:09.000 Knowing ends faith.

02:02:10.000 Your face will be tested, not your knowledge.

02:02:12.000 I mean, that's fair enough. 0.62

02:02:16.000 Well, I mean, I think that's one of the more common rebuttals to Christianity is why would God, you know, it's like the watchmaker, like you make the watch and just let it go and let it cook.

02:02:27.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:02:29.000 I think because of the fact that humans do possess this desire for spirituality, that possess this desire to understand where we came from, that's one of the fundamental questions of humanity is why are we here?

02:02:41.000 I think that is evidence that there is a God that is seeking to know us and vice versa.

02:02:47.000 Because if we possess that, it's likely that our maker also possesses that.

02:02:51.000 Because ChatGPT couldn't really care less.

02:02:53.000 It's not sitting around reading history books trying to figure out where it came from.

02:02:55.000 It's just here to answer questions because it's a computer.

02:02:58.000 But human beings, Seem to possess this desire for a mutual relationship with God, and then I think that I'm pretty firm on.

02:03:06.000 And then now you come to the question of okay, what is that God?

02:03:08.000 Who is that God?

02:03:09.000 And I believe it was Christ, and I do believe He was resurrected, which provides the evidence that He was God manifest.

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02:06:42.000 Sex bots. 0.98

02:06:43.000 Do you want them? 0.97

02:06:45.000 Would you clean it?

02:06:47.000 Only if it cleans itself.

02:06:50.000 That's what I think.

02:06:50.000 I honestly think that.

02:06:52.000 I think that the sex bots, they'll be available.

02:06:56.000 They'll become popular when they can clean themselves.

02:06:59.000 It's going to be like the first stage of Netflix where they used to mail you DVDs.

02:07:03.000 Yeah.

02:07:03.000 Now that they're like, they're kind of really different sex bots.

02:07:08.000 It just shows up at your door.

02:07:09.000 You reserve one and then it goes back to the shop.

02:07:13.000 You guys have seen that show, Megan.

02:07:15.000 Megan.

02:07:15.000 It's like Megan and Megan too.

02:07:17.000 They had, what's her name?

02:07:19.000 Megan Fox. 0.98

02:07:20.000 Megan Fox.

02:07:21.000 Play the robot. 0.95

02:07:22.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

02:07:24.000 Didn't she kill the woman, though? 0.98

02:07:26.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:07:27.000 Yeah.

02:07:27.000 She fell in love.

02:07:28.000 She was caught in it, though.

02:07:29.000 That's the thing.

02:07:29.000 Hollywood loves making movies like this now, and Hollywood's so terrified of AI that they can't make good movies about AI anymore because they're too worried about it taking their jobs.

02:07:38.000 Yeah, like the last good guy robots were like R2, D2, and C3.

02:07:41.000 No, the Transformers are good guys.

02:07:44.000 Johnny Five.

02:07:44.000 The Transformers are good guys.

02:07:45.000 Optimus Prime's a good guy.

02:07:48.000 Yeah.

02:07:48.000 But the.

02:07:50.000 Are they

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