Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Illegal Immigrant ARRESTED After Shooting At DHS, War ERUPTS In Chicago

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00:05:20.000 So, today's show, we've got a lot of awesome guests.

00:05:22.000 Sitting across from me is one of the CEOs of the Babylon B. If you'd like to introduce yourself, CTO of the Babylon B. CTO, my apologies.

00:05:28.000 Co-owner and CTO of the Babylon B. My name is Dan Dylan, and I'm also the CEO and founder of NotTheB, which is the sister site of the Babylon B.

00:05:37.000 That is real news.

00:05:39.000 So, basically, the news that happened six weeks after the prophecies of the Babylon B.

00:05:44.000 The Not the B to the B pipeline.

00:05:45.000 It's a pipeline, right?

00:05:47.000 I am Shane Cashman.

00:05:48.000 I'm the host of Inverted World Live.

00:05:50.000 I'll be running out of here around 9:30 to do my show at 10 on Rumble and YouTube.

00:05:54.000 I will be joined by Viva Fry to talk about the ostrich massacre in Canada, which is insane.

00:06:01.000 An insane calling of ostriches.

00:06:04.000 Can you just say like five words about that before?

00:06:05.000 Because I don't think we're going to move on.

00:06:07.000 The Canadian government said that these ostriches were a hazard, a health hazard.

00:06:11.000 So, to destroy any threat of the avian flu, they went in there and shot all the ostriches. 0.97

00:06:17.000 How long ago is this?

00:06:17.000 Just this weekend.

00:06:18.000 Oh my gosh, this is recent.

00:06:20.000 I believe Viva was on the phone with the owner of the farm as the gunshots were ringing out.

00:06:24.000 So, he's got a lot of information about that.

00:06:26.000 We'll be talking about that.

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00:06:28.000 So, awesome.

00:06:29.000 Awesome.

00:06:30.000 We have Ilad.

00:06:31.000 Very cool, Shane.

00:06:32.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:06:33.000 I'm Alad Eliyahu.

00:06:34.000 I'm the White House correspondent here at Timcast.

00:06:36.000 Phil, how's it going?

00:06:37.000 Hello, everybody.

00:06:38.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:06:39.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains on anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:06:44.000 Let's get into it.

00:06:45.000 And of course, pushing the buttons, we got our boy Surge.

00:06:47.000 So, first story: illegal Mexican immigrant with a rap sheet arrested for shooting at Border Patrol agents during a Chicago raid.

00:06:55.000 An illegal immigrant from Mexico was arrested after he allegedly opened fire at Border Patrol agents during a weekend raid in Chicago, which also saw protesters lobbying bricks at the fence.

00:07:05.000 Now, here's the thing: here's the thing, and this is just my personal perspective, New York Post.

00:07:10.000 I think when you're lobbying bricks, you're no longer protesters.

00:07:13.000 I think maybe at that point, you graduate into rioter territory.

00:07:16.000 I don't think that throwing bricks at law enforcement is a legitimate form of protesting.

00:07:22.000 If you're missing, then you're mostly peaceful.

00:07:24.000 Lobbing sounds like they're playing catch.

00:07:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:26.000 Like, they're just lobbying.

00:07:27.000 That was, I can't remember which outlet it was, but when they were talking about Jay Jones, they said he was musing.

00:07:31.000 He was musing about those children dying.

00:07:33.000 Oh, just musing?

00:07:34.000 Okay.

00:07:35.000 The man who was not identified allegedly drove up alongside agents during an imminent raid in Chicago's little village and fired a few rounds before speeding off in a jeep.

00:07:43.000 Now, again, I just want to be clear: when a bunch of people show up to the location where a law enforcement raid is going to occur and start throwing bricks at police officers, and one of them starts shooting at the police, that is not a protest.

00:07:54.000 That is obstruction of law enforcement, and that is a riot.

00:07:57.000 That's a gunfight.

00:07:58.000 That's a gunfight at that point.

00:07:59.000 You're absolutely correct.

00:08:00.000 I want to know why the law enforcement officers were not engaging the suspect.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, good question.

00:08:07.000 I imagine, and I don't know what the logistics of it were.

00:08:09.000 Maybe they were in the crowd and they were afraid of shooting at the crowd with other people in there.

00:08:13.000 It doesn't stop New York City cops.

00:08:15.000 That's true.

00:08:16.000 And it didn't stop them from murdering Ashley Babbitt.

00:08:18.000 It didn't stop them from murdering Ashley Babbitt.

00:08:21.000 That's true.

00:08:21.000 Where did the bricks come from, too?

00:08:23.000 That's a good question.

00:08:24.000 I mean, it always seems like there's a pile of bricks.

00:08:27.000 Well, I don't know if you know this, but immigrants built America, so they have a lot of bricks inside their mind to continue to do the business of building.

00:08:33.000 Chicago is falling apart, so there are bricks from the brick buildings falling apart, laying around all over it.

00:08:39.000 Like, even if you look at the picture here in the New York Post article, look at that dilapidated building.

00:08:44.000 You could tell like bricks are kind of falling off from the left of that window.

00:08:47.000 Do you think they're just like taking a pick out of the building and lobbing it?

00:08:50.000 Well, like, I'm assuming their homes are, they're already falling apart.

00:08:52.000 Like, half a brick might be on the floor already.

00:08:54.000 But I think throwing things like rocks or bricks, what is it?

00:09:00.000 It's deadly force, potentially.

00:09:02.000 Yeah, of course.

00:09:02.000 Because that's what they officer.

00:09:04.000 They should respond proportionately to the deadly force being brought upon them.

00:09:08.000 If they get hit in the head by one of these bricks, it's not just a scratch.

00:09:11.000 You could die from a brain hemorrhage or what have you.

00:09:14.000 And this is one of the stories that the Boomer Generation got one-shotted by was Kent State.

00:09:18.000 And what they never told you is before those students got shot, they were lobbing rocks.

00:09:23.000 They were literally lobbing rocks.

00:09:24.000 Like, here's a general rule.

00:09:26.000 If you don't want to get shot, don't throw rocks at people with guns.

00:09:29.000 I think that that's a fair enough.

00:09:30.000 That won't necessarily guarantee you don't get shot, but I think if you throw a rock at someone who has a fireharm, like the likelihood is they're going to feel a need to defend themselves.

00:09:39.000 Now, I also think, of course, a huge part of this is the rhetoric surrounding this issue has paved the way for this kind of obstruction and violence to continue to occur and to worsen.

00:09:48.000 We're told that ICE agents and the people who are trying to enforce immigration law from within our borders are criminals.

00:09:54.000 They even call them Nazis, are Gestapo.

00:09:57.000 And so this is kind of what we should probably expect to see, unfortunately.

00:10:01.000 Sure.

00:10:01.000 They're also saying some of the rhetoric they're using that they're kidnapping these illegal migrants, which I think the rhetoric is crazy.

00:10:08.000 I think this is a successor movement to defunding the police.

00:10:11.000 Defund the police is no longer popular, but now they're using all that angst and anger that they had in that movement towards ICE and DHS agents around the country.

00:10:18.000 I think you're totally right because it is the exact same rhetoric.

00:10:20.000 You take something that legitimate law enforcement does and then you apply the label to it that you would apply to it if a citizen who is acting as a vigilante were to engage in that behavior.

00:10:29.000 People feel emboldened to agitate and prevent DHS and Border Patrol and other ICE agents from doing their like lolly prescribed duty.

00:10:39.000 These are law enforcements.

00:10:40.000 They're enforcing the law out here.

00:10:41.000 And it's crazy how often protesters are willing to agitate and get in their way.

00:10:46.000 It's also fascinating that DHS has chosen not to arrest many, if at all, of these agitators.

00:10:51.000 I have seen that they have had DOJ indictments against some elected officials and people who are running for public office.

00:10:57.000 For example, in New Jersey, there's La Monica McIver. 1.00

00:11:00.000 She is a freshman Democrat congresswoman from somewhere in New Jersey.

00:11:04.000 She was blocking one of the ICE facilities and she put her hands on an officer. 1.00

00:11:09.000 She was indicted for that. 0.87

00:11:10.000 Then there's also Kat Abuzagala from Chicago, who's running outside Chicago.

00:11:15.000 She also received an indictment for obstructing justice, allegedly.

00:11:19.000 I'd need to look up the specific thing that they're indicting her for. 0.98

00:11:21.000 But it seems as though you need to be a popular politician or an influencer to get indicted.

00:11:26.000 If you're just a regular agitator.

00:11:27.000 My favorite was the guy who threw the sandwich.

00:11:29.000 Remember that?

00:11:30.000 Oh, yeah, he got off.

00:11:31.000 He did get off, but they did at least arrest him.

00:11:33.000 I mean, they arrested him.

00:11:34.000 They put him in the guy.

00:11:36.000 He had to hire a lawyer and defend himself.

00:11:37.000 So I don't know if the process is the punishment here, which I don't agree that the punish punishment.

00:11:41.000 No, yeah, the process should be the punishment.

00:11:43.000 If you're breaking the law, then the punishment should be the punishment. 0.93

00:11:46.000 If they can't get to you, then the process is the punishment because it's still a bitch to have to go hire a lawyer and the DOJ is coming after you. 0.99

00:11:53.000 And I can't imagine it's good for your public record to even have that out there publicly.

00:11:57.000 Well, why do you think DHS isn't doing enough about this?

00:11:59.000 Why do you think they're not arresting people at the ground level?

00:12:01.000 They don't want to inflame tensions even further.

00:12:03.000 I believe that if they begin arresting people, then like the videos going viral will be of them being physical with protesters, and they're fearful that that might agitate them further.

00:12:12.000 This is their way of like calming the crowd, if you will.

00:12:16.000 That is not going to work.

00:12:18.000 Amen.

00:12:18.000 And it has not worked.

00:12:20.000 We have evidence in 2020, the summer of 2020, when all the riots were going on.

00:12:26.000 There was literal see there was a federal building literally under siege for like 90 days or 100 days, and they didn't do anything definitive.

00:12:37.000 They didn't do anything to actually stop the siege because they were afraid of the way that it would be perceived.

00:12:45.000 This light touch with protesters and with the left, it is not going to work.

00:12:50.000 No.

00:12:50.000 They will not stop.

00:12:52.000 They are going to continue to inflame tensions as much as they can.

00:12:56.000 It is time for the government, for the federal government, to use all of its authority to put an end to this behavior.

00:13:05.000 End it.

00:13:06.000 They have all the authority they need.

00:13:08.000 I'm not talking about doing anything illegal. 0.92

00:13:11.000 I'm not talking about hurting people or violating their rights, but you absolutely can arrest people and stop this absolute trash behavior. 0.65

00:13:21.000 I agree. 0.64

00:13:22.000 I think what inflames and emboldens violent criminals is getting away with it.

00:13:27.000 If there's anything we've been taught by history and also statistics about recidivism rates, if they get away with it, they keep doing it.

00:13:33.000 And this whole, we're just going to halfway stop them.

00:13:35.000 We're just going to half save the country, right?

00:13:37.000 Because we don't want to offend the people who want to destroy it too much.

00:13:39.000 It doesn't work.

00:13:40.000 It's never going to work.

00:13:41.000 If you fight, have a revolution.

00:13:43.000 You dig your own grave.

00:13:45.000 And so we're telling these people they can continue to do what they're doing by not enforcing the law thoroughly.

00:13:50.000 And I totally agree with you.

00:13:51.000 A, the left never felt a need to take this approach with the right.

00:13:55.000 They were going after grannies who wandered into the Capitol after a police officer opened the door for them on January 6th. 0.96

00:14:00.000 But secondly, we're getting the worst, the worst of both worlds, where it feels like a lot of these White House social media accounts will post these edgy edits, which I think are funny, right?

00:14:13.000 But they are inflammatory to a degree.

00:14:15.000 But then they won't step in and enforce the law because they think that's too inflammatory.

00:14:20.000 So they're doing things to kind of like rally the troops and get us pumped up.

00:14:23.000 Dude, I don't want to see another edit made by some Zoomer with heavy bass playing while people get arrested.

00:14:30.000 I want you to actually go out and arrest the people who are breaking the law because that video is going to be a great memory for me when the left takes over because you didn't do enough.

00:14:39.000 And now we're all locked in prison for standing up for the truth and freedom.

00:14:42.000 They are behaving as if the left is going to have something new to accuse them of.

00:14:49.000 As if the left is not already calling them Nazis.

00:14:52.000 As if the left is not already accusing them of being terrorists.

00:14:56.000 Literally, I saw someone tweeting that the DHS was acting like terrorists.

00:15:02.000 Doesn't matter what they say.

00:15:04.000 And you should not take into account how they are going to respond one bit because they're already doing it.

00:15:11.000 This is something that we, this is an argument we make here on the show all the time.

00:15:14.000 You cannot worry about the fact that the Democrats or the left are going to say X because they're already saying it.

00:15:22.000 You can't worry about what the Democrats are going to do if you do something because they're already going to do something worse when they get into power again.

00:15:30.000 You need to exercise power and you need to stop this behavior.

00:15:35.000 That is what the government is in, is that's what the mandate the government has is supposed to do.

00:15:41.000 They're supposed to make sure that this behavior is not allowed to continue to metastasize across the country.

00:15:48.000 I think, sorry, you haven't gotten much of a chance to talk and you were going to say something.

00:15:52.000 No, I was just going to say, I mean, I was raised.

00:15:54.000 I don't know how you guys were raised, but I was raised to not throw things at police officers.

00:15:58.000 And my expectation growing up in the United States would be that if you did, you would get arrested and it would be serious.

00:16:03.000 But it seems like anything revolving around immigration and the enforcement of immigration laws for some reason is just handled in a different way, right?

00:16:11.000 Like, I mean, seriously, throwing a brick at a police officer or any, it's insane.

00:16:15.000 Well, I never had to be told that.

00:16:16.000 I was never told by my parents.

00:16:18.000 You were never told that bricks at police officers.

00:16:21.000 Well, I'm glad you never did it.

00:16:22.000 You know, my parents were very specific.

00:16:24.000 No, yeah, well, this is what happened.

00:16:27.000 Well, this is what's normal: every parent, you know, they know at a certain age they have to give their child the talk.

00:16:32.000 The don't throw bricks at police officers talk because people will just do that unless they're influenced.

00:16:38.000 But Phil's right.

00:16:38.000 I mean, these people were rewarded all throughout the summer of 2020.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, they got their politicians, Kamala's people were donating bail money to arsonists.

00:16:46.000 We saw people get shot in the head, you know, and people were celebrating the death.

00:16:50.000 So you have to show force to help protect.

00:16:52.000 That's the New York City thing where they beat the cop and then they just get released the next day.

00:16:56.000 And it's like, if I beat a cop, I would not be released the next day, right?

00:17:00.000 No.

00:17:00.000 But I'm an American citizen here legally and all this other stuff.

00:17:04.000 I don't understand why it's people who were not even at January 6th were charged with conspiracy.

00:17:12.000 And one of the emotionally manipulative tactics the left used throughout the entire persecution of their political enemy process was, well, you know, there were police officers who were harmed on January 6th.

00:17:23.000 It's like, oh, yeah, you guys care so much about law enforcement.

00:17:26.000 People are literally throwing bricks at cops and you're sitting there going, well, it's civil disobedience. 0.96

00:17:30.000 They're fascists.

00:17:32.000 How many feds were at J6? 0.93

00:17:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:34.000 275.

00:17:35.000 Well, here's not take away from the patriots who were protesting the unfairly stolen election at January 6th.

00:17:41.000 Based?

00:17:42.000 Yeah, no, I feel like we like to whitewash.

00:17:44.000 You know, that was the those riots were really the voice of the unspoken.

00:17:47.000 What was the MLK line?

00:17:48.000 Oh, the MLK, exactly.

00:17:50.000 He says, rioting is the language of the unheard.

00:17:51.000 It was the language of the unheard at January 6th.

00:17:54.000 I hate when people try to, you know, sugarcoat this as feds.

00:17:57.000 No, this was a patriot-organized riot, essentially.

00:18:01.000 Somebody who covered it.

00:18:04.000 I saw patriots stopping agitators on video.

00:18:07.000 And those agitators, I believe, are feds who were smashing windows.

00:18:11.000 And people who were there to protest, actually protest, not what these guys are doing, were telling them, don't do that.

00:18:16.000 Yeah, I'm going with MLK on this one.

00:18:18.000 Fed, MLK was a communist.

00:18:20.000 That's a mistake.

00:18:21.000 Fed, Fed! 0.98

00:18:21.000 Everyone pointed Elod and yell Fed. 0.98

00:18:23.000 MLK was a communist, a philanderer. 0.64

00:18:26.000 Well, here's the other thing, too. 0.88

00:18:27.000 After the 2020 riots, what did we hear every single day as buildings were being burnt down and people were being murdered?

00:18:32.000 And you'd see videos of people crying on camera, why are you doing this?

00:18:34.000 Why are you destroying the business?

00:18:35.000 I worked my whole life to build.

00:18:37.000 These pundits would get on television and they all go, riots are the language of the unheard.

00:18:41.000 It's because we are not listening to these people.

00:18:44.000 And then the Patriots.

00:18:46.000 Talking about the election being stolen.

00:18:48.000 And that was the language of the unheard.

00:18:49.000 But then, well, this is so funny because they kept saying the reason these riots are happening is because we're not listening to them.

00:18:53.000 And then January 6th happens and they go, the reason those riots happen is because we were listening to them.

00:18:58.000 We need to shut all these people down, kick them off social media, throw these people in jail.

00:19:01.000 So the whole thing's nonsense.

00:19:02.000 It's ultimately just their friend-enemy distinction.

00:19:05.000 They're saying we like the rioters.

00:19:06.000 We don't like the people who are opposed to them.

00:19:08.000 When those rioters are on our side, it has nothing to do with tactics.

00:19:12.000 So it's unfortunate.

00:19:13.000 It's horrifying.

00:19:13.000 And the last question I have before we move on to our policy expert, Shane, who's, you know, he's a Shane, as you guys know, is a think tank guy.

00:19:20.000 He's spent a lot of time in the halls of academia working with these prestigious institutions.

00:19:25.000 I just want to ask you.

00:19:26.000 Well, think tank.

00:19:28.000 Shane is very much like an establishment guy, is what I'm trying to say.

00:19:30.000 Shane is like our establishment voice piece.

00:19:33.000 I get that a lot.

00:19:34.000 And so I want to hear what is your policy prescription?

00:19:36.000 What would you do about this about people throwing bricks at cops?

00:19:38.000 Oh, man.

00:19:39.000 Well, the people throwing bricks at cops, they got to go to jail.

00:19:41.000 I mean, we got to take them away.

00:19:43.000 They were, a lot of these people are radicalized in the universities.

00:19:47.000 When I was in college as a professor, of course, yeah.

00:19:52.000 And as a student, I saw Marxist ideology being bashed.

00:19:56.000 These kids were being bashed over the head with it.

00:19:57.000 They were saying communist China is great.

00:20:00.000 The cultural revolution is a good thing.

00:20:02.000 You have to tear down the old institutions to put in your new institution.

00:20:05.000 And they hate capitalism.

00:20:07.000 They hate anything that goes against their cult.

00:20:10.000 So these people think they're doing the right thing.

00:20:13.000 Like I'm saying, they think they're the freedom fighters.

00:20:14.000 They think they're the heroes.

00:20:16.000 And they're also bloodthirsty because they do look at the cultural revolution as a good thing, which was an insane bloodbath, right?

00:20:22.000 Chopping heads off of people who were speaking out against the establishment there.

00:20:27.000 They're the Jacobins. 0.99

00:20:28.000 They're the modern Jacobins. 0.92

00:20:30.000 Yeah.

00:20:30.000 So you think they need to be arrested, locked up?

00:20:32.000 If they're doing stuff like that, I'm all for protesting, but this is rioting.

00:20:36.000 I agree.

00:20:36.000 If you're terrorizing citizens and you're hurting police, you know, you got to be punished for sure.

00:20:43.000 I agree.

00:20:43.000 So, and this is coming from our like establishment.

00:20:45.000 Adequate establishment.

00:20:46.000 Well, the reason I want to ask you, so I'm asking the establishment guy.

00:20:48.000 Now, as you all know, we have Elod, who's like kind of an outsider.

00:20:50.000 He doesn't trust the institutions.

00:20:52.000 He's carrying a conspiracy theory.

00:20:54.000 Really is always talking about the future.

00:20:56.000 He thinks the moon is fake.

00:20:57.000 We need to end the Fed.

00:20:58.000 We never went there.

00:20:59.000 Elod, as someone on the opposite end of the spectrum, what do you think needs to happen to people who throw bricks at police officers?

00:21:03.000 Yeah, I think they need to be arrested, detained, and then held to the fullest extent of the law.

00:21:08.000 Which is crazy.

00:21:08.000 So we have two people from complete opposite ends of the spectrum with respect to approach who are saying these people need to be thrown in prison.

00:21:14.000 Why?

00:21:14.000 Because it's common sense.

00:21:16.000 People throwing bricks at cops need to go to jail.

00:21:17.000 This is insane.

00:21:18.000 Why do we have to talk about it?

00:21:19.000 I was saying that all through 2020.

00:21:20.000 Like, there should have been more to take these people off the streets instead.

00:21:24.000 I was in New York still near Newburgh, New York, and there were people bashing in windows, going crazy.

00:21:29.000 And that city is so captured by a lot of leftist ideology.

00:21:33.000 The small businesses who were destroyed had their windows bashed out would put up plywood the next day saying, we forgive you.

00:21:39.000 Oh my gosh.

00:21:40.000 And that wasn't unique to just Newburgh, New York.

00:21:43.000 You could see that all across the country.

00:21:44.000 And before the protests, they were putting up signs saying like, we support BLM.

00:21:47.000 Please don't break my window.

00:21:48.000 Please don't break my window. 0.91

00:21:50.000 Black Lives Don't Matter. 1.00

00:21:51.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.96

00:21:52.000 Goodness gracious.

00:21:53.000 Well, speaking of this very contentious issue of immigration and illegal immigration, this illegal alien invasion and keeping foreigners who break the law off of our streets, there may be some illegals who were not showing up to the protests who were less likely to on account of their weight.

00:22:11.000 And Donald Trump's actually calling them out specifically.

00:22:15.000 I'm curious which specific problems is going to solve.

00:22:17.000 Maybe it's a question about maintaining our health care system.

00:22:19.000 But the short of it is the U.S. may deny visas for fat foreigners. 0.90

00:22:25.000 A memo sent to embassy, I'm sorry, to embassy says health conditions should be taken into consideration when processing applications.

00:22:31.000 Foreigners could have their U.S. visas rejected if they are obese.

00:22:36.000 Interesting.

00:22:36.000 I do think it's a state.

00:22:37.000 Oh, sorry.

00:22:38.000 I just want to read one more sentence here.

00:22:40.000 The State Department said conditions that could cause an additional burden on the state could be grounds to refuse a visa application.

00:22:46.000 I'm not sure if you guys saw, but Donald Trump referred to high-calorie persons, which I thought was a great way of putting it.

00:22:55.000 I wish he busted that out in 2016.

00:22:57.000 I wish he busted that out in 2016.

00:22:59.000 High calorie, Hillary. 0.99

00:23:01.000 No way she can win.

00:23:03.000 They say too big to fail.

00:23:04.000 Well, she failed at winning that election. 0.95

00:23:06.000 But what were you going to say, Phil?

00:23:07.000 I do think that it is acceptable to have some policies just because it's funny.

00:23:13.000 Yeah.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, I think being fat should be illegal.

00:23:17.000 I mean, look, if you know that there are people that are going to consistently be screaming for Medicare for all, if Medicare for all is going to be a thing, then all of your nutrition decisions are public policy.

00:23:35.000 I just want to say that is an undeniable fact.

00:23:38.000 If the government, if the taxpayer is going to pay for your health care, then the food that you eat is the business of the taxpayer.

00:23:47.000 Now, I'm against this entirely.

00:23:49.000 I'm against single-payer health care.

00:23:53.000 I'm against the government being involved in what you put into your body. 0.99

00:23:56.000 But if this is something that the people are going to demand, then the people are going to have a say in how much you sit on your ass and don't do anything. 0.98

00:24:05.000 The people are going to have a say in what you have in your refrigerator. 0.98

00:24:08.000 That is unquestionable.

00:24:10.000 That is going to happen.

00:24:11.000 I just think that this is lazy law enforcement because they know they're going to be easy to catch.

00:24:15.000 They're like, if we have to deport them, it's not going to be very hard.

00:24:18.000 The transportation might be a little more difficult to get them out of the country, but it'll be easy to round them up, pun intended.

00:24:24.000 We're going to need bigger like vehicles.

00:24:26.000 We're going to need bigger at the bigger seat.

00:24:28.000 The other point I wanted to make here, too, is you're absolutely right.

00:24:31.000 Listen, if you're going to come to our country because you receive health care benefits, which they do, this is part of why we were talking about the shutdown.

00:24:37.000 If they get temporary protected status or even if they entered illegally, they're declared to have been here legally.

00:24:42.000 Non-citizens can collect health care and they can receive some of these benefits.

00:24:48.000 When people are overweight, they're an additional burden on the healthcare system.

00:24:52.000 This is something that future Mayor Mom Donnie made remarks about in his speech.

00:24:58.000 There is no issue too small for the government to care about.

00:25:04.000 He said that in his acceptance speech the other night.

00:25:07.000 And these people are big.

00:25:08.000 Yeah, they are.

00:25:09.000 But the point that he was making is the government will have a say in every part of your life.

00:25:17.000 That is not something that is up for debate.

00:25:20.000 That is not something that we're going to question.

00:25:22.000 If the left has their way and if the government is going to say, oh, we're going to provide you with this, with health care and health, you know, with Medicare for all, they are going to be involved in what you eat.

00:25:35.000 They're going to be telling you, citizen, you have not done enough exercise, et cetera, et cetera.

00:25:40.000 Now, yeah, what do you think of this, Elad?

00:25:42.000 I will say this.

00:25:43.000 I don't necessarily degree with laws on, disagree with laws on principle, but I do think it is a little bit ironic because Americans on average are a lot fatter than most on average people of any.

00:25:59.000 You want us to get bigger?

00:26:00.000 You want to make that problem worse?

00:26:01.000 But I think even a fat person from another country might be bringing the weight average down.

00:26:04.000 Moreover, Americans have the highest per capita health spending among high-income nations and still have the worst health outcomes.

00:26:10.000 So it's just ironic.

00:26:11.000 If other countries were to start advancing legislation like this, it would probably hurt Americans a whole lot.

00:26:17.000 So I just think it's a little bit ironic from that point of view because we are very fat Americans. 0.97

00:26:21.000 And I talk more trash about fat Americans, but there are probably a lot of fat Americans in our audience. 0.99

00:26:25.000 And I don't want to say that I already have. 0.99

00:26:28.000 But do you understand that we're not going to be able to do that?

00:26:29.000 I don't think it's ironic.

00:26:31.000 Yeah, but that would make more sense for why we want to limit it.

00:26:33.000 It's like if we had a bunch of people who were suffering from some other, you don't think it's a real issue?

00:26:41.000 I think Americans think more in taxpayer money for the health insurance systems.

00:26:47.000 They do, but I think it's a, I don't think this is what's burdening our health care system.

00:26:50.000 It's fat Americans who are burdening our health care systems, unfortunately. 1.00

00:26:53.000 And I'll say that as somebody who's a little bit overweight myself, I could afford to lose a few pounds.

00:26:57.000 But this, you know, stopping more.

00:26:59.000 Yeah, I don't Disagree with these laws in principle.

00:27:03.000 You just want to take a look at the moment.

00:27:04.000 I think there's all your fellow Americans.

00:27:05.000 It's still ironic because we have these poor health outcomes.

00:27:09.000 And like, you know, this is a part of the bigger picture, too, because, you know, the issue with having a single-payer healthcare system or having Obamacare or what have you is that our costs are so high.

00:27:19.000 Why are our costs so high?

00:27:20.000 It's because Americans are so unhealthy. 1.00

00:27:22.000 Generally, why are Americans so unhealthy? 0.99

00:27:23.000 Because we're so fat. 0.97

00:27:24.000 We're really fat. 0.79

00:27:25.000 So I feel like we're pointing the finger at some other countries. 0.99

00:27:27.000 It's like, yeah, you can't get in here, but it's like we're a fat dude.

00:27:32.000 Do you think we're fat shaming or that this is just reasonable? 0.92

00:27:34.000 Not possible.

00:27:36.000 Yeah, I want to hear the guest.

00:27:36.000 Because yes, the only reason that our health care costs are so high is not just because we are unhealthy, but it's also because we have so many immigrants in our country that are going to the emergency rooms and using our health care system, whether they're actually collecting Medicare or not.

00:27:51.000 Exactly.

00:27:52.000 They're in the emergency rooms.

00:27:53.000 They're getting, you know, care before we are.

00:27:56.000 And in reality, you know, like these, a person who's coming in who's significantly obese, you know, they're going to come in and use that health care significantly more than I don't disagree with you.

00:28:07.000 I think two things can be true at once, though.

00:28:09.000 Illegal immigration burdens our healthcare system. 1.00

00:28:12.000 Americans being generally unhealthy, morbidly obese, very overweight. 1.00

00:28:16.000 100%. 0.99

00:28:16.000 We're known for. 0.99

00:28:18.000 Is what leads to more unhealthy outcomes, which leads us to have the worst health outcomes despite spending the most per capita.

00:28:25.000 And look, we love to eat here.

00:28:27.000 Everything's bigger in Texas.

00:28:29.000 You know, we love our Texas barbecue and whatnot.

00:28:31.000 We love our fast food.

00:28:32.000 And there's consequences for that.

00:28:34.000 But it feels like we're pointing the finger at fat foreigners when we're fatter in many ways ourselves.

00:28:40.000 No, we can do whatever we want.

00:28:41.000 Because I can have a preference for my own people.

00:28:43.000 If someone has a couple extra Patriot pounds on their body, they're a little bit overweight.

00:28:46.000 But look, potatoes are dense caloric.

00:28:50.000 And I am more than happy.

00:28:50.000 Potatoes are very calorie dense.

00:28:52.000 And if you eat too many, you know, and you fry them, and one thing could lead to another.

00:28:56.000 All I'm saying is a couple extra Patriot pounds, even though you're right, it might burden our healthcare system. 0.90

00:29:00.000 Those are Americans.

00:29:02.000 Those are unhealthy.

00:29:02.000 Right, so no, we shouldn't accept fatties.

00:29:04.000 I don't disagree.

00:29:05.000 We shouldn't accept fatties, but we also need to deal with the domestic fatties. 1.00

00:29:08.000 So you love RFK's policies about getting rid of some of these unhealthy additives?

00:29:13.000 I don't know if that's what's making us so fat.

00:29:15.000 A lot of stuff.

00:29:16.000 Trump's passing out Ozempic now.

00:29:18.000 So it's going to be fine.

00:29:20.000 You bring them in, give them Ozempic. 0.99

00:29:21.000 I think there will be medical consequences to Ozempic, but if they aren't outweighed by the issues of obesity, I think it's a trade-off.

00:29:30.000 Like, what's worth the side effects of Ozempic or you being 200 pounds overweight?

00:29:35.000 We have the scientific evidence of being 200 pounds overweight is extremely detrimental to your health.

00:29:40.000 So that's the, you know, the pros and cons that people have to weigh when taking these drugs.

00:29:45.000 I will say, Trump RX did just try to reduce the costs of all of these drugs, all of these GLP-1 inhibitors, so-called drugs.

00:29:52.000 I'm against it.

00:29:52.000 Especially for diabetes.

00:29:53.000 I'm against Ozempic, but that's another story.

00:29:55.000 Okay, nice.

00:29:56.000 Well, I was just saying, if these people manage to get so overweight before coming to the United States, I can't imagine what's going to happen.

00:30:02.000 I also was going to say when I get here and start eating Popeyes, maybe the wall has to have an entrance that's a little bit thin, so you really have to squeeze through it.

00:30:09.000 Well, we're ACA compliant everywhere across the United States.

00:30:14.000 You could be gigantic.

00:30:15.000 You could require three doors, and it feels like we will really accommodate anything, no matter how fat you are. 0.89

00:30:20.000 Or fellow Americans.

00:30:21.000 Our fellow Americans.

00:30:24.000 I don't disagree.

00:30:24.000 I agree with that.

00:30:25.000 I'm allowed to prefer my fellow Americans.

00:30:27.000 I've been trying to start a petition for a while.

00:30:28.000 I'm fat phobic across the board.

00:30:29.000 It doesn't matter if you are a foreigner. 0.77

00:30:31.000 I've been trying to start a petition for the border to be an American Ninja Warrior course so they can actually do some work, lose those pounds before they get here and really.

00:30:40.000 I want a moat.

00:30:40.000 I don't want them to get over.

00:30:41.000 Well, moat's fine, too.

00:30:42.000 A moat plus that.

00:30:43.000 What do you think the Rio Grande is?

00:30:45.000 It's not enough, clearly.

00:30:47.000 It's not enough.

00:30:48.000 Great answer.

00:30:49.000 You're talking, you want an ocean, then is what you want.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, well, there is one more thing I want to mention about this as far as the healthcare system goes.

00:30:57.000 Elod, where I do agree with you and where you are correct is that we have a very unique health situation in the United States.

00:31:02.000 People are very unhealthy because of what we're eating, because of what's in our food.

00:31:06.000 And oftentimes people will say, how is it that the United States has such expensive health care, even though it's a private market?

00:31:12.000 Well, guess why?

00:31:12.000 Like, it's not like if you have, the ACA is a big part of it, actually.

00:31:16.000 But if you have a country where people have these chronic health issues because our food is very, very bad, then of course healthcare costs are just going to be much higher.

00:31:23.000 You blame the food?

00:31:24.000 I think the food's a big part of it.

00:31:25.000 And I'm not just blaming the food.

00:31:26.000 I do think overconsumption is a real issue as well.

00:31:28.000 I'm not saying it's completely out of people's hands and it's nobody's fault when they gain weight or become overweight.

00:31:34.000 Not making that argument.

00:31:35.000 But what I am saying is we do have an obesity crisis that is going to make healthcare more expensive.

00:31:39.000 And I'm so sick and tired of people pointing to some small country with like a couple million people and they're all in great shape and saying their healthcare is really cheap.

00:31:49.000 It must be because they have a public private system that mandates purchasing within the insurance marketplace or they have a single payer system, whatever.

00:31:56.000 I'm like, I don't think that's why.

00:31:59.000 I'm jealous.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, I'm super jealous.

00:32:02.000 Also, one more thing I'll point out before we move on.

00:32:05.000 Almost no one in the world has single payer.

00:32:07.000 There are many universal healthcare systems.

00:32:09.000 Almost nobody has single payer.

00:32:11.000 So they'll say, we need to go to single payers so we can solve this crisis and we can get people insured.

00:32:15.000 Countries with universal healthcare systems almost always have some form of a private market that the state mandates you to purchase from or that they'll redistribute tax money for you to purchase from.

00:32:25.000 That's not the same as single payer.

00:32:27.000 One last tidbit on this.

00:32:28.000 I think there's a balance between like there are a lot of things that are making people obese in our country nowadays.

00:32:33.000 I think people are blaming it too much on the food.

00:32:36.000 You can count your calories.

00:32:37.000 I think people need to take more personal responsibility when it comes to their weight.

00:32:40.000 It's not just you could find and eat the correct foods and not be fat.

00:32:44.000 You could count your calories to not be fat and you could exercise.

00:32:48.000 You could do 10,000 steps a day and choose a correct diet and not be fat.

00:32:52.000 We're not forced into this.

00:32:53.000 There isn't crazy food out there that's forcing you to be fat.

00:32:56.000 We're not force feeding you.

00:32:57.000 Hold on.

00:32:58.000 You're correct, but I do want to point out if you have an improper diet, if you have a bad diet, you are not going to be able to do enough cardio, enough exercise to defeat that diet.

00:33:10.000 You cannot cardio away four or five thousand calories a day.

00:33:16.000 Yeah.

00:33:16.000 I just think people have endless excuses for being fat.

00:33:19.000 Every time I talk to a fat person, there's a new BS excuse.

00:33:22.000 It's like, oh, it's in the food.

00:33:23.000 Oh, I don't have enough time to cook my own meals.

00:33:25.000 Oh, I don't know how it happens.

00:33:26.000 Oh, I have a slow metabolism.

00:33:27.000 You know, it's like, oh, you won't choose to make better decisions again.

00:33:31.000 You are taking every opportunity to jump back into another fat phobic rant, Elod.

00:33:35.000 What if we're just dead bones, Elod?

00:33:37.000 Fat phobia is the best attitude to have. 0.96

00:33:40.000 Fat phobia is the correct attitude to have. 0.95

00:33:43.000 This is maha.

00:33:44.000 All right.

00:33:45.000 It's like the proper maha. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Well, I think at the end of the day, now it is, but it shouldn't be.

00:33:49.000 I think at the end of the day, what we could all agree on is even though our food supply is terrible and something needs to be done about it, people need to cultivate virtue.

00:33:55.000 People need to live their lives in a way that prioritizes moderation and not overconsumption.

00:34:01.000 I'm trying to create a show that I think is going to help distill some of these values in people.

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00:34:06.000 Next story.

00:34:07.000 Trump has made a relatively controversial statement here.

00:34:12.000 I'm curious to hear how everyone at this table thinks about it.

00:34:16.000 Trump proposes a 50-year mortgage plan as housing costs more.

00:34:22.000 The plan would lower and elongate the monthly payments needed to buy a home.

00:34:25.000 The American dream may have just gotten a five-decade payment plan.

00:34:30.000 This is from ABC News.

00:34:32.000 President Trump, President Donald Trump, excuse me, has suggested creating a new 50-year mortgage plan as a way to encourage young people to buy real estate, according to a post on his Truth Social platform.

00:34:41.000 The U.S. director of federal housing bill also replied on X.

00:34:45.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:34:45.000 Yeah, the Director of Federal Housing replied on X saying that the agency was working to institute the new housing proposition.

00:34:51.000 And thanks to President Trump, we are indeed working on the 50-year mortgage, a complete game changer.

00:34:56.000 Well, I agree that it's a game changer for sure.

00:35:00.000 It's a little bit vague on how it's going to change the game.

00:35:03.000 I don't think it's going to change the game in a way that helps Americans.

00:35:06.000 What people don't realize is before the Great Depression happened, mortgages generally were less than 10 years in term, usually around five years.

00:35:16.000 And what happened was you put down 50% of the money and it was a balloon payment.

00:35:20.000 So you only paid interest throughout that loan term.

00:35:24.000 And then when it matured, you had to either have the rest of the 50% that the property was valued at or that you owed the bank in order to pay it off, or you had to create another deal with the bank, which is what most people did.

00:35:34.000 You had to refinance or you lost the house.

00:35:38.000 Now, most people would just refinance indefinitely.

00:35:40.000 And then the Great Depression hit, and then a bunch of people lost their houses.

00:35:43.000 So the government started meddling in the housing market.

00:35:45.000 And with the New Deal, we got the FHA and a number of different ways that we've sort of regulated home lending.

00:35:53.000 Now, since that time, the price of a house adjusted for inflation, it's done something like four to five times the numbers.

00:36:00.000 It's multiplied around four to five times.

00:36:02.000 Accelerating.

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 And people can say, well, houses today are way better than they were at that time.

00:36:06.000 They're larger.

00:36:07.000 And sure, you can make the argument that they're larger.

00:36:10.000 I don't think the construction materials are as good, but let's just say houses really are that much better.

00:36:14.000 Well, in the private marketplace, basically everything has gotten better without exploding four to five times in price.

00:36:20.000 So what happens is when you expand people's borrowing power, they are able to afford a larger house because they're only paying it off in small snippets at a time.

00:36:30.000 And then eventually what happens is you bring prices up.

00:36:32.000 So I'm curious what all of you think about that.

00:36:34.000 If anyone disagrees with me and how you feel about Trump trying to institute this, I think the 50-year mortgage is insane.

00:36:39.000 I think that, you know, I firmly believe that we should be empowering people to make good decisions in their lives.

00:36:47.000 I think that a 50-year mortgage is a really bad decision.

00:36:51.000 I think that when you look at the amortization schedule for a 50-year mortgage, like you don't actually start paying principal on these things for like 30 years.

00:36:57.000 What?

00:36:58.000 So you get to the 30-year point before you even actually start paying principal.

00:37:01.000 So you're just renting the house.

00:37:03.000 I mean, you don't actually own the house.

00:37:04.000 But Babylon B, I had to share this because we published it this morning.

00:37:09.000 One of our headlines is Dave Ramsey in critical condition after learning a 50-year mortgage.

00:37:15.000 And I feel it.

00:37:18.000 This is not one of those things.

00:37:19.000 There are a lot of things Trump does where I'm like, I voted for that.

00:37:22.000 I voted for that.

00:37:22.000 This is not one of those things.

00:37:24.000 It's just like, this just seems unnecessary.

00:37:26.000 It's, you know, we're putting people in worse financial situations.

00:37:29.000 It's not, you're not actually owning the home.

00:37:31.000 There's something about passing these things down to future generations and stuff like that, too.

00:37:35.000 It's more debt.

00:37:36.000 Debt delivery.

00:37:38.000 More people just the entitled.

00:37:40.000 But American becomes more entitled. 0.71

00:37:42.000 Just to steal me in the argument, right?

00:37:44.000 Not that I'm for it, but just because I want people to kind of think about the entirety of the situation.

00:37:50.000 Like the goal is to get young people into houses that they can afford. 0.96

00:37:56.000 And ostensibly, the plan would be you get into this house, right?

00:38:01.000 You start paying for it, and then you refinance for a shorter term when you become established, when you financially have more resources, you have a better job, what have you.

00:38:11.000 And I think that I don't think that this is a good idea.

00:38:16.000 I think that this will end up with a ton of bad negative externalities.

00:38:22.000 But I do think that the idea to try to come up with means for people to, for young people, to own homes is better than doing nothing.

00:38:32.000 And the reason I say that is because right now, young people have no reason to buy into a capitalist society, right?

00:38:41.000 They don't, if you have no assets, you have no money, you have nothing but debt, you're going to look at your situation and you're going to say, capitalism doesn't work.

00:38:51.000 To say that our system of property rights, I own no property, so I so I don't have rights.

00:38:56.000 I don't buy it.

00:38:57.000 Exactly.

00:38:58.000 So you have, so they have to do something.

00:39:00.000 And again, I'm not saying that this is the proper solution.

00:39:03.000 If your goal was just to get people into it, and this is true, it's kind of just arbitrary.

00:39:07.000 Well, it stops you at 50 years.

00:39:08.000 Why not do 100?

00:39:09.000 Exactly.

00:39:09.000 I mean, you're not going to live in the house in 50 years.

00:39:11.000 You're not.

00:39:11.000 Nobody's.

00:39:12.000 It's not going to last 50 years with the way they're building new constructions.

00:39:14.000 So it's like, where do you stop it?

00:39:15.000 Is it a 200-year mortgage?

00:39:16.000 It's like, if that is really the goal, then 50 years doesn't seem like long enough.

00:39:21.000 Just make it as cheap as possible.

00:39:22.000 I agree.

00:39:22.000 I just want to, before you jump in a lot, I want to respond to you because I agree that this is probably being approached by Trump and some others around him with good intentions.

00:39:30.000 I certainly don't disagree with that.

00:39:32.000 The problem is, it's not like you're going to be taking housing costs where they are and spreading that over 50 years.

00:39:37.000 People are going to have more purchasing power, so the houses are more expensive.

00:39:40.000 That's the issue.

00:39:42.000 And people are going to feel as if they can afford the house when it actually is truly unaffordable for them because it's spread out over such a long loan term.

00:39:48.000 And then on top of that, you're not going to get the much-needed market correction of housing coming back down in price, which is difficult for the economy in the short run.

00:39:57.000 But if we want young people to be able to buy into the economy, to have houses to own property, it's necessary.

00:40:02.000 And this would only stave it off.

00:40:04.000 We would just be throwing a bandit on the problem that would make young people debt slaves instead of giving them the opportunity to purchase houses at a more reasonable loan term at a more reasonable price.

00:40:12.000 But Elod, you were going to say something.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:15.000 So I'm a neocon and not an economist.

00:40:17.000 But so maybe one of you guys can correct me.

00:40:19.000 Neoeconomist.

00:40:20.000 It highly depends on what the interest rate will be, right?

00:40:23.000 For these 50-year mortgages, because it's different for those versus like a 15 year mortgage, right?

00:40:28.000 If it's super low of an interest rate, hypothetically, I think it could make more sense.

00:40:33.000 I don't know.

00:40:34.000 I don't know if we'll ever, I don't know if property taxes are 2% is a pipe dream, but a decade ago, they had 2% interest rates on some of these 15-year mortgages, I believe.

00:40:43.000 So if they could get them that low, then I think they could make sense.

00:40:47.000 Otherwise, I generally agree with you guys.

00:40:49.000 Property taxes are also robbery.

00:40:51.000 I mean, in New York before we left, it was like 18 grand for like two acres, upstate New York, right?

00:40:58.000 It's insane, dude.

00:40:59.000 What are you saying?

00:41:00.000 You're getting taxed on your income, and then you're having to buy a house and you pay tax when you purchase the home.

00:41:05.000 And then you're being taxed continuously every single year on the purchase that you made for tax money.

00:41:09.000 I mean, it's just that's sickening.

00:41:11.000 One thing I'll say, and here's where I'll disagree with you, a lot.

00:41:13.000 Let's say that you do have a very low interest rate.

00:41:16.000 That carries with it, even though there's less, even though that sort of solves the problem of the person being a slave to the bank with respect to how much interest they're paying over the course of the 50 years, it exacerbates the problem of them having more purchasing power because the lower the interest rates are and the more purchasing power you have, the more the market is going to skyrocket.

00:41:34.000 So even if you're only paying 2%, houses would just explode in value because of that.

00:41:39.000 Yeah, money would be cheaper.

00:41:40.000 Yep.

00:41:40.000 Therefore, people would demand more of it.

00:41:42.000 It would be inflationary, too.

00:41:43.000 Yeah.

00:41:43.000 One thing on property taxes, as I understand, local governments are largely funded by those property taxes and wouldn't have anywhere else to like siphon that money from.

00:41:52.000 So I like, I largely disagree.

00:41:54.000 Like, I'm pissed off when I have to pay property tax.

00:41:56.000 I don't.

00:41:56.000 I rent.

00:41:57.000 But like, that's what it goes to funding.

00:41:59.000 So I think most of the schools are funding.

00:42:01.000 Public schools, which are an issue.

00:42:03.000 Sure.

00:42:03.000 But I mean, I don't want to fund public schools.

00:42:06.000 I don't want to fund public schools.

00:42:07.000 And that's the thing.

00:42:08.000 That's how the system is set up.

00:42:10.000 Just to respond to you, too.

00:42:11.000 I mean, I'm not a banker, but I believe that the way the whole system is set up is that the shorter the term, the lower the interest rates, not vice versa.

00:42:19.000 I don't believe that these would have low interest rates.

00:42:21.000 I think these would have higher interest rates than third-year mortgages significantly.

00:42:24.000 Yeah, I think so too.

00:42:25.000 Because you just hide it.

00:42:27.000 And then because also you got to consider the bank is saying, I will do, like, I am giving this money out for 50 years.

00:42:33.000 In order to be able to keep up with inflation across that time period, they would need a massive interest rate.

00:42:38.000 So I think it would just be an insanely high interest rate.

00:42:41.000 Yeah, I don't think it would be a good situation.

00:42:42.000 And what you mentioned about property taxes, funding local governments, this is part of the issue with the way our system is set up today.

00:42:47.000 It's completely upside down.

00:42:48.000 In theory, the way things should be is your highest tax burden should be for your local community, and it should not be that high.

00:42:54.000 It should probably even be lower than it is now.

00:42:56.000 But the idea that the majority of your taxed income goes to the federal government is completely insane.

00:43:03.000 Like, realistically, your tax money should be going to the things in your immediate vicinity that actually improve your life to a measurable degree.

00:43:10.000 And then, the people, you know, hundreds of miles away in Washington, they should be getting like maybe pennies on the dollar with respect to how much you're taxed.

00:43:17.000 Maybe if that, hey, penny on the dollar for those functions, but of course, it's completely backwards.

00:43:23.000 You're working something like what, one out of five days out of your work year just for the government.

00:43:29.000 So, one day out of your entire week is literally just for your federal taxes.

00:43:32.000 It's backwards.

00:43:32.000 It's totally upside down.

00:43:33.000 It's totally upside down.

00:43:35.000 But I'm curious: does anyone have anything else to say about this issue before we move on to another story here?

00:43:40.000 So, are you going to buy a crib with the 50-year-old?

00:43:42.000 No, I'm thinking, I'm thinking I want to finance as much as possible with the 50-year mortgage, and I'm actually waiting for the 50-year Uber Eats loan so that I can just start putting those payments off down payment on dinner.

00:43:53.000 Exactly.

00:43:53.000 I think what we should do is we should have an economy where people are as in debt as possible for as long as possible.

00:43:58.000 What do you think, Phil?

00:44:00.000 I think that any, I think that anything that the federal government does to try to alleviate the suffering of young people, the economic suffering of young people right now, is good thing, is a good thing for the country because there are so many people that no longer believe in America.

00:44:21.000 Yeah, young people do not believe in our system, and it is because of the behavior that the banking industry and the government has had for the past 15 years, ever since the 2008 crash.

00:44:32.000 The government has been, and actually, no, before that, but it's become acute since the 2008 crash.

00:44:38.000 The government has behaved incredibly irresponsibly.

00:44:43.000 And so, we have to do something as a society.

00:44:45.000 Like, our government has to do something because they're the ones that have the levers of power.

00:44:50.000 They have to do something to make sure that young people have a reason to buy into America.

00:44:56.000 There has never been a generation that believes in America less, believes in our system less.

00:45:02.000 And so, we need to do something to ameliorate their problems, to help them, to give them a reason to believe in America.

00:45:11.000 I'm with Phil.

00:45:12.000 Like, I don't agree with this policy, but I know people can't afford houses right now.

00:45:17.000 They don't think they can have a family, and there's just widespread suffering.

00:45:21.000 So, I want to see those people get help, and getting a house could help you build a community and all those things.

00:45:26.000 The other thing, though, is, I mean, I agree that we should be making efforts to make things easier on young people to live the American dream.

00:45:33.000 But, like, here's a 30-year mortgage versus a 50-year mortgage on a $410,000 house.

00:45:38.000 6.5 interest rate on 30-year, $3,200 a month payment.

00:45:41.000 7% interest on a 50-year is a $3,088 a month payment.

00:45:45.000 So, I mean, you're $120 a month.

00:45:47.000 That's not for 20 years, actually.

00:45:50.000 20 years of your life to be owned by a bank, dude, for like 200 bucks a month.

00:45:54.000 It's insane.

00:45:55.000 That's not insane.

00:45:57.000 That's not helping the person.

00:45:58.000 That's not.

00:45:59.000 The policy is not.

00:46:00.000 I want the 3,000-year mortgage.

00:46:00.000 It's not.

00:46:02.000 Yeah.

00:46:03.000 Here's what I think should happen.

00:46:04.000 We should do a generational mortgage, the 3,000-year mortgage.

00:46:07.000 We'll call it the Millennia of the Mortgage.

00:46:09.000 And what will happen is you'll borrow it from the bank.

00:46:11.000 And if you can't pay it off and your descendants can't pay it off, by the time you're dead, they'll just upload your brain into Neuralink and you'll work on spreadsheets for a couple millennium for like, you know, $75 a week until the loan is eventually paid off.

00:46:24.000 Better than the system in China, which allegedly is, I think you can only do 99-year leases on land.

00:46:28.000 You're not even on property.

00:46:29.000 You don't own anything.

00:46:30.000 So you, at least we still have the property rights here.

00:46:32.000 You can do a 99-year lease pay your property taxes.

00:46:35.000 You don't actually own it.

00:46:36.000 They take it away from you.

00:46:36.000 So you don't actually own it.

00:46:38.000 Yeah, but I mean, that to be eternal lease.

00:46:39.000 To be fair, just again, so we're, everyone's on the same page.

00:46:43.000 Property taxes are not a federal thing.

00:46:44.000 Property taxes are state by state.

00:46:46.000 So it depends on what state you're in.

00:46:47.000 And the amount that you're going to pay depends on a lot of things.

00:46:50.000 New York is way more than West Virginia.

00:46:52.000 Yes, way, way more.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, but I mean, West Virginia compared to New York.

00:46:56.000 I mean, the services in New York are a lot better than West Virginia.

00:46:58.000 But I'm talking about upstate New York.

00:46:59.000 West Virginia is a lot better than New York.

00:47:00.000 But again, now this policy might not be the right solution in every way.

00:47:04.000 Every way.

00:47:05.000 Not in per capita, I mean, to begin with.

00:47:06.000 Not in income per capita, at least.

00:47:08.000 This is the poorest states.

00:47:10.000 In terms of freedom, it's a great state.

00:47:12.000 I like that.

00:47:13.000 Well, and science is suggesting that we take away all. property taxes, which would be great.

00:47:17.000 I don't know how we'll keep police officers around, but.

00:47:20.000 Oh, I mean, it'll just be sales tax or it'll be state income tax or something like that.

00:47:24.000 You don't have to have property tax.

00:47:25.000 In New Hampshire, where I'm from, you don't have like my property tax is quote unquote high.

00:47:30.000 It's not actually high compared to like Massachusetts.

00:47:33.000 I have like 50 acres and I pay, you know, a few thousand dollars more than my mom, who has like not even a full acre.

00:47:39.000 But the point is, like in New Hampshire, there's no sales tax, there's no income tax, but the property taxes are high.

00:47:46.000 So the government will get the funding.

00:47:49.000 State governments will get the funding that they need to function somehow.

00:47:53.000 And some people will say, hey, maybe a sales tax or an income tax.

00:47:57.000 Personally, I think things like sales tax and consumption tax are the best of a bad options because if you didn't have property tax, then you actually do own your property.

00:48:07.000 The government can't take it away without going to court or what have you.

00:48:11.000 And then I think an income tax, a state income tax or a federal income tax, I think that those are bad because they're literally taxing you for generating economic activity.

00:48:20.000 Whereas if you have a sales tax, you can decide not to engage in exchange.

00:48:26.000 But the point, I think the broad point that I want to kind of push on again is the government has to do something about the fact that there is an entire generation, like not kidding around, like a whole generation.

00:48:39.000 You think that millennials are fond of socialism.

00:48:44.000 Even Gen Z, the people on the right are fond of socialism, right? 0.63

00:48:48.000 They'll be right-leaning, but they're going to be national socialists, right?

00:48:52.000 They're going to be nationalists and socialists.

00:48:54.000 They're going to say the government should take care of us, and maybe the government should take care of only people that look like me.

00:48:58.000 But it's still the government.

00:48:59.000 Shane is always saying to me, non-stop.

00:49:01.000 He's always telling me that.

00:49:02.000 Don't leak those taxes.

00:49:03.000 He says he's no, but he says only people who look, he's like, says only people who look like me, but I'm quoting him literally.

00:49:07.000 He's only Irish. 0.57

00:49:08.000 Only the Irish. 0.96

00:49:09.000 Only people like you, Seamus.

00:49:10.000 Only you should be cared for by the people.

00:49:11.000 Well, another thing that will help that, just not to stay on this story for too long, but immigration affects this significantly too.

00:49:19.000 I mean, a lot of the people who are taking these FHA loans and things like that and getting into houses and driving the cost of homes up are not Americans.

00:49:26.000 Yeah.

00:49:27.000 So there's two things that you can do.

00:49:28.000 You can A, limit immigration the way that you're actually supposed to enforce our border, get the people out of here that aren't supposed to be here. 1.00

00:49:35.000 B, something that I would be strongly encouraging would be to bring down our debts and to make things more affordable for people is if you have foreign interests owning land in the United States, they should be taxed at a much higher rate.

00:49:47.000 I would totally agree.

00:49:48.000 And I like what you were saying, Phil.

00:49:51.000 I tend to agree that a consumption tax, a tariff, things like that, where there's actual economic activity occurring, which is then taxed, makes more sense to me than taxing someone based on how much wealth they have.

00:50:02.000 Because frankly, we tax people based on how much they earn, but the amount that you earn doesn't actually say all that much about your lifestyle.

00:50:09.000 It's a question of how you choose to spend that money.

00:50:11.000 So if you have that money and you're behaving virtuously with it, you're saving it or you're investing it instead of going out and indulging in luxuries.

00:50:20.000 You should have the freedom to do that.

00:50:21.000 Yeah, I completely agree.

00:50:23.000 So I think it's bad to tax someone just for having the money.

00:50:27.000 I think it's crazy.

00:50:28.000 But even though I think it's bad to tax the money, I'm impossible to please.

00:50:32.000 I also think it's bad when they give money back to us.

00:50:34.000 Aren't I so cheeky?

00:50:36.000 Because Trump says he'll issue $2,000 tariff dividends to all except high-income people.

00:50:41.000 And I'll be honest, I don't know if I'm in love with the idea.

00:50:43.000 Do I want the government to stop taking my money?

00:50:44.000 Do I want them to start giving it away?

00:50:45.000 I'm going to the grocery store right now.

00:50:47.000 My family of five.

00:50:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:49.000 That is all that is.

00:50:50.000 That is one year's worth of, that is one year's worth of savings on your $50 mortgage.

00:50:54.000 Dang.

00:50:55.000 I mean, anytime the government is writing checks and giving it to people, like that's inflationary.

00:50:55.000 Yeah.

00:51:00.000 Inflation is down now, but inflation is not a problem.

00:51:06.000 The Fed just lowered interest rates.

00:51:09.000 And I think that right now they're in a buying because no matter what the Fed does, it's kind of inflationary.

00:51:15.000 If they don't lower interest rates, it's a little inflationary.

00:51:17.000 Or if they do lower them, it's a little inflationary.

00:51:21.000 And Serge actually could speak to that better than I can.

00:51:24.000 But anytime the government just writes checks, I think that that's a bad thing, especially when you're dealing with the federal government being so insolvent and having so much debt.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, that could be something you talk about being insolvent and having where the money could go.

00:51:39.000 But a lot of things could go a lot of places.

00:51:41.000 And I think at this point where people are struggling with money, any money in their pockets, great.

00:51:45.000 And I was actually surprised when I saw it because I was like, wow, that's a good idea.

00:51:48.000 He's going to use the money from the tariffs we're making that everyone complains about.

00:51:51.000 He's actually using that against them, saying, oh, well, tariffs are bad for small businesses.

00:51:55.000 Okay.

00:51:55.000 Well, if you're a small business that makes under this amount of money, here's $2,000 for it.

00:51:59.000 I guarantee you're not going to be annoyed by it.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, $2,000 is not that much money, which is totally true.

00:52:04.000 Shane is completely right on that.

00:52:06.000 But I think that, yeah.

00:52:08.000 Any little bit helps right now because the economy is bad.

00:52:11.000 Everything's expensive.

00:52:12.000 Gas is going up already again.

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:15.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:52:16.000 Part of me is curious if this has to do with Trump wanting to curry some favor with the American people as we're getting closer towards midterms.

00:52:24.000 Maybe this is a check that would be sent out around the time when those elections were occurring.

00:52:28.000 I have no idea.

00:52:29.000 Come out with a ballot.

00:52:30.000 Yeah.

00:52:32.000 I don't think this is going to be good for inflation.

00:52:34.000 One thing I will mention is that we were told on air that the $2,000 dividend could come in a lot of forms.

00:52:44.000 You know, it could just be the tax decreases that we are seeing on the president's agenda.

00:52:50.000 No tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security, deductibility of auto loans.

00:52:54.000 So again, this is all from ABC News.

00:52:57.000 Honestly, man, it sounds like they're sort of trying to back their way out of it with that.

00:53:02.000 Well, you know, it could come in the form of no tax on tips or no tax on overtime or no tax on social security.

00:53:08.000 Very possible.

00:53:09.000 I have no idea.

00:53:10.000 I think just giving everyone a $2,000 check is probably not a good idea, especially considering how horribly in debt we are.

00:53:16.000 Also, last time we got a stimulus check, we ended up losing like $10,000 in purchasing power on average.

00:53:23.000 So probably not the best trade.

00:53:25.000 Short-term trade-offs, I don't like.

00:53:28.000 And he says only for wealthy Americans.

00:53:31.000 What's the definition of wealthy?

00:53:32.000 Does it say in there?

00:53:33.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm curious because he said wealthy, but I don't know if there was any specific cutoff listed.

00:53:37.000 Okay.

00:53:39.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:53:40.000 I agree with what you were saying there, Seamus.

00:53:42.000 Like, if the debt is such a big issue, then it seems like giving out $2,000 to each American might not seem like the best idea.

00:53:49.000 However, however, telling people, telling voters, the electorate, that you'll give them money can incentivize them to support you and your preferred candidates.

00:53:58.000 Yeah, well, I do think there's a political aspect to this.

00:54:01.000 I think there's a reason why Andrew Yang's UBI, despite not having any other policy positions on anything and despite being a complete DALT, was able to amass supporters based on what?

00:54:11.000 Me giving you free money. 1.00

00:54:12.000 People love free shit. 1.00

00:54:14.000 So, Seamus, if you wanted to go around in the room right now and say, hey, do you want $100? 1.00

00:54:17.000 Nobody's going to say, oh, but I'm worried about your debt, Seamus, your mortgage.

00:54:21.000 I'm worried about your family and all the other costs you have.

00:54:23.000 But my dad said that.

00:54:24.000 That's the thing.

00:54:25.000 If I'm the government, it's everybody's debt.

00:54:27.000 Like, we're talking here about how a 50-year mortgage enslaves us.

00:54:30.000 Imagine if it was an indefinite loan that all of our children had to pay off and our children's children had to pay off someday and couldn't consent to it.

00:54:38.000 And also, it was how we ran our government.

00:54:39.000 Like, that's literally what's happening right now.

00:54:41.000 And we're talking about giving everyone a $2,000 check.

00:54:43.000 I do agree with you that there could be a kind of 4D chess move here.

00:54:46.000 Well, if the Democrats get back into office and Trump can't enact his agenda, the country's destroyed anyway, and they are going to import a bunch of people and they are going to balloon the national debt regardless. 0.51

00:54:54.000 So, maybe if we give people these short-term payments to get them to vote for Republicans and we play the Democrats' dirty gang of a game of allowing people to vote themselves gifts from the treasury, we can actually try to turn the spigot off.

00:55:06.000 I'm a little skeptical of the argument, but I could see the strategy.

00:55:10.000 It feels to me like it could be a knee-jerk reaction to the uproar over the snap benefit issue with the government shutdown, too.

00:55:16.000 I mean, it's like, well, how do we get these people back to possibly supporting our party?

00:55:21.000 So, I mean, that's exactly what's happening right now: everybody's so mad about snap benefits.

00:55:25.000 Those are the people that you are speaking to by offering them dangling $2,000 out there.

00:55:29.000 Those are the people you're trying to win back.

00:55:30.000 Do you think $2,000 is going to sway anyone's vote these days, though?

00:55:33.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:55:35.000 I don't know.

00:55:36.000 It's compared to nothing and what other politicians have done for them.

00:55:39.000 I think the government doesn't touch most Americans, and $2,000 would affect people.

00:55:45.000 I don't think leftists will get $2,000 from Trump and change their minds and vote for Trump.

00:55:49.000 No, of course not.

00:55:49.000 But we're not talking about a small amount of Democrats against it by some independents.

00:55:53.000 Even liberals.

00:55:54.000 I'm against it, but I don't think it would hurt him.

00:55:56.000 I think it only has potential to help his electoral process.

00:55:59.000 It could hurt him if it causes more economic problems.

00:56:04.000 Because at the end of the day, what's going to matter the last six months before the election in 2028 and well, actually next year and in 2028 is how people feel about the economy, right?

00:56:16.000 Like if there is civil unrest and there's big, big riots and blah, blah, blah, that'll affect people.

00:56:22.000 But if that's not going on, it is the pocketbook, it is the kitchen table issues.

00:56:26.000 So if they do things that make it harder for people to pay for their groceries and causing inflation will make it harder for people to pay for their groceries, if they do things, if they have policies that do that, people will vote against the Republicans.

00:56:40.000 And that will happen.

00:56:41.000 That is absolutely the most important thing.

00:56:45.000 We can talk about, and people on the internet, they love to talk about all these niche issues.

00:56:51.000 They're all interested in like, you know, all sorts of things, the Epstein client list, what Ben Shapiro said, what people are talking about, Israel, blah, blah, blah.

00:56:59.000 Those issues are very important to a very, very narrow segment of the population, right?

00:57:06.000 They're not important to everybody that pays attention to politics.

00:57:08.000 They're important to a small percentage of the people that pay attention to politics.

00:57:13.000 The amount of people that pay attention to politics is also very small, right?

00:57:19.000 Most people don't spend more than an hour or so a week paying attention to politics.

00:57:25.000 I don't think most Americans knew the government was shut down.

00:57:27.000 Probably not.

00:57:28.000 But that only leads to my point.

00:57:29.000 Like, people care about: can I go to the grocery store and buy the stuff that my kids want to get so that way they're not bummed out?

00:57:39.000 Can I afford Christmas?

00:57:41.000 Can I afford Thanksgiving?

00:57:42.000 If these questions, right, if you ask these questions and the answer is no, they're going to throw the bums out. 1.00

00:57:48.000 That means the Republicans are going to get crucified.

00:57:51.000 So the most important thing is to make sure that the American people feel like they can afford to live.

00:57:57.000 And right now, because I completely agree.

00:58:01.000 I think if the focus was on bringing grocery prices down instead of giving people $2,000, I'd be way more in support of it.

00:58:07.000 Well, I will say this.

00:58:08.000 I agree with what Aladdin's saying about the fact that it probably is good politics.

00:58:12.000 I mean, who could argue that you're going to have more trouble winning an election if you just gave people money?

00:58:16.000 You just give them a free $2,000 check.

00:58:19.000 I also think that there's an argument to be made.

00:58:21.000 Well, these tariffs did cost the American people to some degree, but it's going to improve America's manufacturing and our ability to deliver products.

00:58:28.000 And we can return some of the money back to the people to stimulate our economy.

00:58:31.000 And in my mind, it makes economic sense to say we're going to protect American industry by making foreign companies pay tariffs or the people importing from foreign nations pay tariffs and then give that money back to the American people to bolster our own economy.

00:58:43.000 I'm not disagreeing that this is complicated and that it could on some level be good strategy.

00:58:48.000 I think ultimately it can also help solidify this idea that the shutdown was the Democrats' fault.

00:58:55.000 The reason people weren't receiving their EBT was because of the Democrats and that Trump is trying to look out for you.

00:59:01.000 He's trying to get your family fed.

00:59:03.000 Again, in the long term, I think it's bad economics.

00:59:06.000 I'm not advocating for it, but I certainly understand the political strategy.

00:59:11.000 And speaking of the shutdown, we have a wild turn of events.

00:59:16.000 Now, you guys are not going to believe this.

00:59:18.000 This is going to be really shocking for all of you at home listening.

00:59:20.000 It's going to be shocking for all the people in this room.

00:59:22.000 So I'm glad we're all sitting in chairs and that Tim Cass is not done at a standing desk because I think some of you might faint.

00:59:28.000 Even though the Democrats have been claiming the shutdown was just the fault of Republicans, they are now complaining that the Democrats they elected worked to open the government back up and they quote unquote caved.

00:59:43.000 That's strange to me.

00:59:45.000 So breaking the Senate moves to reopen the government after Democrats break from Schumer.

00:59:49.000 The question was, does the shutdown further the goal of achieving some needed support for the extension of the tax credit?

00:59:55.000 Our judgment was that it will not.

00:59:57.000 The Senate took a major step towards ending the record-long government shutdown on Sunday as a group of Democrats broke ranks and joined Republicans in advancing a revised plan to reopen federal agencies.

01:00:08.000 That's that right there.

01:00:09.000 What do you mean broke ranks?

01:00:11.000 I thought it was the, you mean all the Republicans didn't break rank to open the government?

01:00:16.000 It's almost like they wanted the government open the entire time and it was the Democrats preventing it from happening.

01:00:20.000 One of the hilarious things you'll see if you go on social media is all of the leftists whining and complaining about the fact that the government's going to be reopened and saying the Democrats betrayed us.

01:00:28.000 They stabbed us in the back, even though they just spent the entire shutdown telling us the entire thing was the Republicans' fault.

01:00:33.000 So I want to open it up to you guys and get your opinions.

01:00:36.000 And I want you to let me know just how shocked you are that it turns out that this was the Democrat shutdown.

01:00:41.000 I wanted to ask you, there was one Republican who actually voted to continue the shutdown.

01:00:44.000 Can you guess which one?

01:00:46.000 Who did that? 0.91

01:00:46.000 Which one? 0.91

01:00:47.000 One of our good friends?

01:00:48.000 Shot in the dark.

01:00:49.000 One of your favorites, yeah.

01:00:50.000 One of my favorites.

01:00:51.000 I'm having too much trouble.

01:00:52.000 I've been too shocked today.

01:00:54.000 I've already been too shocked today.

01:00:56.000 I need you to just tell me.

01:00:56.000 The only Republican to vote with Democrats.

01:00:58.000 You know, it's actually a trend of Republicans like this voting with the Democrats.

01:01:03.000 And with Republicans like this, I mean, who needs Democrats?

01:01:07.000 Are you guys seriously clue?

01:01:08.000 Nobody has any.

01:01:08.000 Who wants Rampa?

01:01:09.000 Shane, do you want to?

01:01:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:11.000 Whoever's not a neocon.

01:01:12.000 Whoever's not a neocon that is.

01:01:15.000 I mean, listen, listen.

01:01:16.000 The libertarians are going to want the government to stay shut down forever.

01:01:18.000 I'm okay with that.

01:01:19.000 That's what I want.

01:01:20.000 A closed, an open government is as useful as a shutdown.

01:01:24.000 There was a couple people I had in mind.

01:01:26.000 There was a couple people I had in mind.

01:01:27.000 But yep, so it was Rand Paul, though.

01:01:30.000 Yeah, it was Randall.

01:01:31.000 I'm curious what you all think of that.

01:01:32.000 I'm also just curious what you think of the shutdown ending.

01:01:35.000 I wish I'd stay down forever.

01:01:37.000 They weaponized this government against the American people for decades and needs to be completely gutted.

01:01:41.000 Doesn't sound like something an establishment guy would say.

01:01:43.000 Yeah, I had a change of heart last night.

01:01:45.000 Slept on it, and I was like, I've been wrong completely.

01:01:48.000 The shutdown, I mean, it's so ridiculous that every year you end up in the same situation where the shutdown is used as, you know, a way for people to pit, you know, the left versus the right and for them to grandstand and to try and get all these publicity points and stuff like that.

01:02:03.000 I mean, I had to travel here yesterday.

01:02:06.000 It was a disaster.

01:02:07.000 I mean, I was lucky my flight was only delayed about four and a half hours.

01:02:11.000 Yeah.

01:02:12.000 There were people that were at the airport.

01:02:13.000 Their flights were delayed 12 hours plus.

01:02:17.000 And I just, you know, I don't understand the correlation between critical infrastructure not being air traffic control and TSA.

01:02:25.000 Why is that not privatized at this point in time?

01:02:27.000 Why are we, why is it that when they can't agree on it on a budget, we shut everything down and then people can't travel.

01:02:33.000 They hold you hostage.

01:02:34.000 They hold you as hostage.

01:02:35.000 You know, and they don't care.

01:02:37.000 And then why is there no fallback?

01:02:38.000 Why is there no fallback for when you can't agree on a new budget that you fall back to the existing budget?

01:02:43.000 Well, that's right.

01:02:44.000 And so, what always happens is the government shuts down and the left goes, these essential services are lost.

01:02:49.000 And in some ways, I think you're correct when it comes to air traffic control.

01:02:52.000 That's something that we need.

01:02:54.000 And it's strange that the government does it.

01:02:55.000 But then these same people will argue that argue that the government should control more and more and more.

01:03:00.000 So you go, well, you know, even if the government controls like virtually everything, we're still going to have a political system where there are these arguments and disagreements, and the government will shut down.

01:03:08.000 And then what's going to happen to all of the services that you consider to be essential if they aren't considered essential by the government at that time.

01:03:15.000 But furthermore, yes, as someone who's been traveling a lot recently to promote the crowdfunding campaign that I launched for Twisted Plots, like planes have been delayed.

01:03:22.000 Thank goodness my flights, even though some got delayed, none got canceled.

01:03:27.000 It's funny, I was in LA.

01:03:30.000 I was in Los Angeles.

01:03:31.000 I was over in California, other side of the flipping continent, right?

01:03:35.000 In the coolest place in the world.

01:03:37.000 And I had to fly back here late at night for a podcast.

01:03:42.000 And this is when a bunch of flights were starting to get canceled.

01:03:44.000 And I was like, dude, if this flight gets canceled, I have no idea what I'm going to do because I am like as far away from here as you can be while still being in the United States.

01:03:53.000 And so thankfully, my flight was not canceled.

01:03:57.000 But this is happening to a lot of people.

01:03:59.000 And so hopefully we're able to get that back up and running as the government's looking to open up.

01:04:05.000 What do you think, Elad?

01:04:06.000 I think a minority of Americans fly regularly.

01:04:09.000 So I don't really care.

01:04:11.000 You don't care about flies.

01:04:12.000 Yeah, I don't care about protecting minorities. 1.00

01:04:14.000 You don't care about protecting minorities because only minority flies. 1.00

01:04:16.000 No, I don't.

01:04:17.000 And they're fancy business meetings that they need to attend in person and they're important vacations that they need to go on.

01:04:21.000 I haven't flown on a plane in over a year, and I think most average Americans don't.

01:04:25.000 And it is inconvenient seeing some of the most privileged Americans.

01:04:29.000 And I don't mind doing that for a little bit longer.

01:04:31.000 I don't think it's ironic, Shane.

01:04:33.000 Because now you're for reopening the government.

01:04:34.000 I thought you were for the ship.

01:04:35.000 No, I'm against your idea of only privileged people flying.

01:04:37.000 Yeah, the fact that Lad just said only the privileged flights.

01:04:41.000 You literally just said he puts on a suit and then he starts acting like he's better than everybody.

01:04:45.000 Like this gosh idea that like blue-collar people or average Americans that make you know $60,000, $70,080,000 a year, like they don't fly regularly.

01:04:54.000 There are plenty of jobs that require people to fly that are not like elitist jobs.

01:04:59.000 Sure.

01:04:59.000 So I think this affects a minority of workers.

01:05:01.000 And if Seamus has to wait another half hour, hour, who knows?

01:05:04.000 Maybe we would have gotten Tim instead of this guy.

01:05:06.000 What if my flight was Tim would have to be able to do it?

01:05:09.000 Seamus instead of Tim.

01:05:10.000 It would have been better if you, you know, maybe missed the flight.

01:05:13.000 While Tim was sick, you want the man to ruin his voice?

01:05:16.000 Oh, is that what happened?

01:05:17.000 Yeah, he got sick.

01:05:17.000 He's sick.

01:05:18.000 Yeah, he's sick.

01:05:18.000 He said he couldn't host the show tonight, and I had to.

01:05:21.000 But it was a disaster.

01:05:21.000 It was a nightmare.

01:05:22.000 Now, Elad, this is also shocking coming from the neocon economist that you would say people in the upper classes whose wealth trickles down to the rest of us through their entrepreneurial vision.

01:05:34.000 I don't like flying.

01:05:35.000 The only planes he wants flying are the ones that drop bombs.

01:05:39.000 I thought you were going to say something worse, so I guess I'll take that.

01:05:41.000 I thought he was going there, too.

01:05:44.000 That's the nicest thing you could have said.

01:05:46.000 I know.

01:05:48.000 Anyway, I don't like flying.

01:05:50.000 I'm actually scared to fly.

01:05:51.000 I reluctantly fly when I have to, and that's why I don't mind these.

01:05:55.000 No wonder why you have to be aware of that.

01:05:56.000 I have a personal beef with you in the airplane.

01:06:00.000 So you might just have to drive like that.

01:06:02.000 Have to fly.

01:06:03.000 I hate flying and I'm scared of it.

01:06:05.000 No, it's better than a short flight.

01:06:07.000 A nice long drive.

01:06:08.000 I agree with you.

01:06:09.000 Listen, I'm actually okay with that.

01:06:10.000 I do like driving.

01:06:11.000 If time permits, I absolutely pervert drive.

01:06:14.000 Well, either you're sitting in your car or you're waiting online not to get taken off because the airports aren't moving.

01:06:20.000 If the drive is six hours or less, do the drive.

01:06:24.000 If it's over six hours, take the flight.

01:06:26.000 Because when you think the amount of time that takes to get to the airport gets there and waits.

01:06:32.000 You have to do the flight and get out and stuff that like five or six hours.

01:06:36.000 It's probably better.

01:06:36.000 You're already doing dad math.

01:06:38.000 That's exactly how it works.

01:06:39.000 I mean, I live in New Hampshire.

01:06:41.000 What's going on with the shutdown vote, though?

01:06:43.000 Because it's got to go through the House, right?

01:06:46.000 After it's passed through the Senate, I think there's some procedural things that need to happen that'll take a few days, and then it'll go to the House where Johnson should have a majority.

01:06:56.000 I'm assuming Massey, these libertarian types, they just always vote with the Democrats.

01:07:00.000 We'll also probably vote against, but he will be the token Republican to do so.

01:07:05.000 Yeah.

01:07:06.000 That's what I foresee.

01:07:08.000 Was still doing that against a lot or the libertarian type.

01:07:11.000 Okay.

01:07:11.000 I just want to make sure for everyone who's going to be listening, that was Phil making the farting sound with his mouth against a lot.

01:07:16.000 Yeah, these libertarians, he's doing that to me, who's complaining about the libertarians getting in the way of the MAGA agenda.

01:07:22.000 Yes.

01:07:23.000 Okay, guys.

01:07:24.000 We actually, we've got another breaking story here.

01:07:29.000 I just had to mention this.

01:07:30.000 We weren't planning on talking about this, but the news just broke.

01:07:33.000 Antifa protesters have rushed the entrance of tonight's TPUSA event after attempting to break down barriers.

01:07:39.000 Attendees were rushed behind a police arrest, and other anti-TPUSA protesters have been arrested.

01:07:47.000 Should we watch this?

01:07:48.000 Everything I have to say is a TOS one.

01:07:50.000 Where is this based out of?

01:07:52.000 Do we know?

01:07:58.000 Berkeley.

01:07:58.000 So this is UC Berkeley, by the way, guys.

01:08:00.000 And this is, I think, from Sam.

01:08:02.000 I don't know who actually coached this.

01:08:08.000 This isn't the craziest thing I've ever seen.

01:08:10.000 So are we just going to keep being nice to these people?

01:08:12.000 Well, it's just because it's a BSA thing, and they rushed to the USA thing.

01:08:17.000 So that guy broke down the barriers. 0.97

01:08:21.000 He's a whole racist, guys. 0.98

01:08:22.000 You can call the racist. 1.00

01:08:23.000 Pack it in.

01:08:24.000 That's it.

01:08:25.000 Berkeley has a long history of these types of protests, and usually they get a lot more out of hand than this so far, but I guess it's still early there.

01:08:31.000 So we'll see what this turns into.

01:08:37.000 Well, it's not surprising.

01:08:38.000 That's right.

01:08:39.000 No, of course not.

01:08:41.000 I mean, listen.

01:08:43.000 I think this might be a sideshow, but I haven't screened these videos, guys.

01:08:47.000 We just got to say.

01:08:51.000 Oh, sideshow.

01:08:52.000 Classic.

01:08:56.000 Classic parents.

01:08:58.000 They're just barbarians.

01:09:03.000 All right.

01:09:03.000 Well, that's all we got right now.

01:09:05.000 Well, again, this is exactly what we were saying earlier on the show.

01:09:07.000 Look how quickly our predictions become true.

01:09:09.000 You don't arrest these people.

01:09:10.000 They become emboldened.

01:09:11.000 Right.

01:09:12.000 Yes.

01:09:13.000 Absolutely.

01:09:14.000 Who thought anything different was going to happen?

01:09:15.000 Everyone says, oh, well, if we do something, there's an escalation.

01:09:19.000 If law enforcement intervenes and arrests people who are breaking the law, there's an escalation.

01:09:24.000 There is an escalation, regardless.

01:09:27.000 The question is whether there is an escalation on the part of law enforcement that puts the riot down and puts, frankly, the insurrection down, or whether they continue to raise the temperature.

01:09:37.000 That's it.

01:09:38.000 And whenever the left says, I wish people would stop raising the temperature, what they're really saying is, I want to be the one in control of the fire.

01:09:44.000 Yeah, I mean, that's pretty accurate.

01:09:47.000 And like I said, this kind of stuff, they should round all those people up and they should all go to jail, like all of them.

01:09:55.000 They can get buses, bring the buses out, wrap them up, and put them in jail.

01:10:00.000 Anyone in a face mask, honestly, at this point.

01:10:03.000 Absolutely.

01:10:03.000 You're in a face, still wearing COVID mask for sure.

01:10:06.000 You're gone.

01:10:07.000 Right to jail.

01:10:08.000 Yeah.

01:10:09.000 Right to jail.

01:10:10.000 It shouldn't, at this point, it shouldn't be, like, it shouldn't be a question as to whether or not these people go to jail.

01:10:17.000 Like, these people are intending to intimidate.

01:10:20.000 This isn't about a protest.

01:10:21.000 This is intimidation.

01:10:23.000 This is trying to shut down other people's speech.

01:10:26.000 If you wanted to protest, you could protest.

01:10:28.000 But when your protest is intended to shut other people's speech down, you should go to jail.

01:10:35.000 There's no question about it.

01:10:37.000 It shouldn't even be.

01:10:37.000 I mean, it's insane to me that we're still having this discussion, right?

01:10:41.000 It's so clear.

01:10:41.000 We've been having a lot of people.

01:10:42.000 We've been having this discussion for a decade.

01:10:44.000 Yep.

01:10:44.000 Since 2015.

01:10:46.000 And you know what?

01:10:47.000 Thank goodness we're allowed to have the discussion because for a while we weren't.

01:10:49.000 And that's part of why this problem has persisted as long as it has.

01:10:51.000 Remember when Berkeley was pro-free speech?

01:10:54.000 Before our time.

01:10:54.000 Ha!

01:10:55.000 Yeah.

01:10:55.000 Before our time.

01:10:57.000 Same place that burnt itself down when I was totally remembering it.

01:10:59.000 Same.

01:10:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:00.000 Exactly.

01:11:00.000 And, you know, I have my doubts that that was ever the case.

01:11:03.000 I actually have my doubts.

01:11:04.000 Because we know there was arrest them all, and everybody that's here on a green card gets deported. 0.64

01:11:10.000 That's it. 0.91

01:11:11.000 Get them out of the country because I guarantee there's a lot of people in that protest that's got they're here on green cards, especially if they're fat. 0.98

01:11:18.000 They're guests. 0.98

01:11:19.000 Yeah, and if they're fat, they shouldn't be here at all, according to Trump.

01:11:23.000 But the government needs to start coming down on these people hard within the law, of course, within, you know, I'm not talking about injuring people or violating people's rights, but if you are protesting in a manner that is meant to intimidate other people who are peaceably assembling, jail.

01:11:44.000 Jail.

01:11:45.000 Well, I hear what you're saying, but I mean, like, what do you think the motivation is?

01:11:48.000 I mean, for not doing it.

01:11:51.000 Exactly.

01:11:52.000 Why are they not doing it?

01:11:53.000 Trump is in charge right now.

01:11:55.000 Kid gloves.

01:11:55.000 Huh?

01:11:56.000 Kid gloves.

01:11:57.000 They've been treating these people.

01:11:58.000 Well, yeah, but why is nobody stepping up and saying we're taking the kid gloves? 0.98

01:12:01.000 Cowards. 0.96

01:12:02.000 I agree with you. 0.99

01:12:03.000 They're afraid of the optics being short.

01:12:05.000 Well, one thing is that they're demonized when they do something to protect people.

01:12:10.000 I mean, whether they're law enforcement or not, you got the Daniel Penny thing.

01:12:13.000 It's like you actually stand up and do the right thing.

01:12:15.000 It seems like these days you're actually demonized for it.

01:12:18.000 And that is one thing that's demotivating to the police in general, the individual police, but then also for the police chiefs and for the people in charge of them.

01:12:27.000 There's too much demotivating factor to do this.

01:12:30.000 It's too much personal risk.

01:12:32.000 That's one reason why they're all wearing masks too.

01:12:35.000 Well, again, because only one side is required to play by the rules here.

01:12:35.000 Yeah.

01:12:38.000 And so it's gotten to the point where the Republicans won't even play by the rules.

01:12:41.000 The right won't even play by the rules because they won't do the things that the Law allows them to do in order to shut down this kind of violence and these kinds of riots.

01:12:48.000 We've been dealing with this, and I'm sure we all sound like broken records because we've been dealing with this for over a decade at this point, and nothing has been done.

01:12:55.000 And there was a mandate from the people of the United States when they Democratically elected Donald J. Trump, handing a Republican the first popular vote history in a very long time so that this problem could be dealt with and it's not being dealt with.

01:13:13.000 And there's a number of explanations and rationalizations, just like Phil pointed out.

01:13:17.000 They could be cowardly.

01:13:19.000 It could be because he's worried about bad optics before we start getting closer to the midterms.

01:13:24.000 But I don't care because if something isn't done, the problem's only going to get worse.

01:13:29.000 And we heard all of the same excuses about the BLM riots in 2020.

01:13:33.000 Well, it's going to look bad if the government does something.

01:13:36.000 The way these things work is that you got to shut them down immediately before they go completely out of control.

01:13:42.000 And yes, the optics look a little bit bad for a little bit, but you got to bite the bullet right away and stop it from happening so that you don't have to worry about a little optical disaster.

01:13:52.000 Because by the way, every single time one of these riots happens, there is some kind of optics disaster for the Trump administration, regardless, because his supporters go, why isn't he doing anything?

01:14:03.000 And you always have at least one person getting arrested who the left then says is a poor innocent victim who didn't do anything wrong.

01:14:09.000 So what he needs to do is he just needs to bite the bullet.

01:14:11.000 He needs to take all the bad optics at once. 0.64

01:14:13.000 He needs to throw all these people in jail.

01:14:15.000 And then he's going to spare himself years and years of news stories of rioters being locked up one at a time just to be released again.

01:14:21.000 You know what the solution to bad optics is?

01:14:25.000 You make massive tax cuts and incentivize Massive tax cuts, incentivize people to start businesses, fix the economy, and then no one cares about the optics because they can pay for their groceries again.

01:14:38.000 That's what you do.

01:14:39.000 You fix the economy.

01:14:40.000 You make sure that people can afford to live, make sure that people can afford to pay for their rent, pay their mortgage, buy their groceries, and then they don't care that you're wrapping up leftists and throwing them in jail.

01:14:55.000 The solution to the optics is making sure the economy is booming.

01:14:59.000 Effective government.

01:15:00.000 Effective government people want this. 0.84

01:15:01.000 Also, by the way, the people who are out here doing this crap, it's not like they're law-abiding citizens who are a benefit to their community regardless.

01:15:08.000 If you were able to lock them up and they hadn't even committed the law or broken the law, which I'm not saying you should do, it would still probably be an improvement to the environment that they live in. 0.95

01:15:16.000 Like these people are generally repeat offenders.

01:15:19.000 You don't just start throwing bricks at a cop when you've never broken a law before.

01:15:22.000 You don't break down barriers and try to protest someone's free speech with violence when you've never broken a law before.

01:15:27.000 So not only would he be taking all the optics disasters at once and then not having to deal with them in the future, but he would probably improve crime rates in all of the cities where he cracked down on these riots and arrested people.

01:15:39.000 I think the system is so broken, though, because this goes back longer than a decade.

01:15:43.000 These people have been emboldened for decades.

01:15:45.000 You go back to the Weather Underground.

01:15:46.000 I say it all the time. 0.74

01:15:47.000 These people were domestic terrorists.

01:15:49.000 They were Marxists. 1.00

01:15:50.000 They killed people. 0.98

01:15:51.000 They killed themselves too with bombs. 0.84

01:15:51.000 They hurt people. 0.84

01:15:53.000 But they went to jail.

01:15:55.000 And even when they, even they were pardoned by Cuomo.

01:15:59.000 They were pardoned by Clinton.

01:16:00.000 They became professors.

01:16:01.000 They started doing stuff with Thousand Currents, Susan Rosenberg.

01:16:04.000 They started working, Thousand Currents, started working with Act Blue.

01:16:07.000 So it's like this is a deep, deep issue with the whole system.

01:16:10.000 So even when they go to jail, they come out and get rewarded by the left.

01:16:14.000 Yeah.

01:16:15.000 Like, that's how you have to, you have to stop that cycle of wild.

01:16:15.000 How do we stop that?

01:16:18.000 That's supposed to be the antidote, right?

01:16:19.000 I mean, that was the reason that a lot of people want Trump to be in office is because he was finally an outsider who didn't care about the optics.

01:16:25.000 Like that was supposed to be his thing.

01:16:27.000 And so sometimes he really, he really does act that way.

01:16:30.000 And I appreciate those.

01:16:33.000 And then other times, turning the blind eye, like I'm so frustrated about some of the things that aren't happening.

01:16:37.000 I'm frustrated that people who are obviously breaking the law aren't getting arrested.

01:16:42.000 I'm frustrated that there's no push right now for nationwide voter ID requirements, right?

01:16:47.000 Well, I mean, one of the reasons we're in this mess is because we don't have nationwide voter ID requirements and we're losing elections on the federal level because certain states are disenfranchising everybody else.

01:16:57.000 Why is there, we just don't care about that anymore?

01:17:00.000 No, I mean that was one of the things that Donald Trump said that would be passed if they got rid of the options.

01:17:04.000 Absolutely.

01:17:05.000 And so those and it's a snowball effect.

01:17:07.000 If you enforce the border, kick out everybody who's not supposed to be here, arrest criminals and actually put them in jail and keep them in jail, and enforce voter ID, you're going to see that the country is actually a lot more conservative than you thought that it was.

01:17:19.000 Way more conservative than you thought that it was.

01:17:21.000 I agree.

01:17:21.000 Because the people that are left are the law-abiding citizens that are actually American citizens.

01:17:25.000 Yep.

01:17:25.000 Yeah, I think that, like, I mean, I'm as much of a border hawk as you can get.

01:17:32.000 I'm glad that the board is basically shut down now.

01:17:35.000 And I think that the government should be doing everything they can to wrap up as many illegals here that are here and send them back. 1.00

01:17:43.000 I don't know that that's going to solve everything, but I do think that that would cause, that would solve a lot of it.

01:17:48.000 It all works together.

01:17:49.000 It all works together.

01:17:49.000 Yeah.

01:17:52.000 So we've got another story here tonight that I think it's important to talk about, as well as a little segue later into something that your outlet published that I found kind of funny.

01:18:02.000 But the Supreme Court just rejected a long shot effort to overturn the same-sex marriage, they're still calling it marriage for some silly reason, ruling.

01:18:13.000 The court turned away an appeal filed by Kim Davis.

01:18:16.000 Do you guys remember her?

01:18:17.000 Of course.

01:18:18.000 A former county clerk in Kentucky who was sued after refusing to issue a marriage license to a gay couple.

01:18:25.000 First of all, based in Red Pilled American Patriot.

01:18:28.000 Secondly, Washington, the Supreme Court ruled on Monday.

01:18:30.000 Other Supreme Court on Monday turned away a long shot attempt to overturn the landmark 2015.

01:18:35.000 They didn't take the case up.

01:18:36.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:18:37.000 So it's like they didn't decide on it.

01:18:39.000 They didn't want to make it.

01:18:40.000 Yeah, they didn't want to make a decision on it.

01:18:42.000 Exactly.

01:18:43.000 Yeah.

01:18:43.000 I'm not taking up the case.

01:18:44.000 Pretty gay. 0.98

01:18:45.000 This is from. 0.98

01:18:45.000 I agree with you. 0.98

01:18:46.000 This is from NBC News, by the way.

01:18:48.000 Without comment, the justices rejected an appeal brought by Kim Davis, a former county clerk in Kentucky, who was sued in 2015 for refusing to issue quote-unquote marriage licenses because of her opposition to same-sex.

01:19:02.000 By the way, it's kind of funny.

01:19:04.000 Sex is censored with two asterisks in this context.

01:19:08.000 Same S star star.

01:19:10.000 Who knows what that means?

01:19:11.000 Marriage based on her religious.

01:19:13.000 I've never seen that before.

01:19:14.000 That's on NBC News, directly.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:17.000 And I'm curious if the title, yeah, the title does.

01:19:19.000 The exact same thing.

01:19:21.000 So this is not very, very cringe, not a great day for the Supreme Court.

01:19:25.000 But I'm curious what everyone else here has to say about this.

01:19:28.000 The politics of this is extremely fascinating.

01:19:31.000 Based on other rulings that the Supreme Court recently made, notably on overturning the Dobbs decision, overturning Grove v. Wade, many onlookers and legal professionals assumed that following the logic that the court used in previous cases was going to strike something like this down had they taken the case up.

01:19:50.000 But they strategically decided not to take the case up because I first assumed they didn't want to deal with the backlash of having to turn something like this that is generally popular with Americans.

01:20:00.000 So, you know, if they follow their, what is it, their textualist tinge of the Supreme Court right now, they might have had to overturn this to stay legally consistent, but have chosen to not take up the case.

01:20:10.000 If you guys don't also know, the Supreme Court chooses what cases it takes up and has to make a decision on or doesn't have to make a decision on.

01:20:18.000 I think the politics of this is fascinating.

01:20:20.000 Yeah, I mean, hopefully they're willing to take it up soon.

01:20:22.000 I'm curious what you think about this, Shane.

01:20:23.000 I know that you're like just a gigantic LGBTQ activist.

01:20:29.000 I wish they overturned it.

01:20:31.000 I feel the same way about this.

01:20:32.000 I feel about not showing force, a strong force with the immigration stuff or the people breaking the law. 0.68

01:20:39.000 This is something they should do.

01:20:40.000 They should overturn it.

01:20:41.000 I think it's an abomination.

01:20:43.000 Amen, brother.

01:20:44.000 Promoting people living an unrepentant sin.

01:20:46.000 And I wish they would say, let's overturn it.

01:20:49.000 I don't care about the optics.

01:20:51.000 And it's not just that.

01:20:51.000 I'm ready to change things.

01:20:52.000 It's actually forcing all of us with our tax dollars to fund a system that says two men can be married, which is a total fiction.

01:21:00.000 They can't be.

01:21:01.000 That's not what marriage means. 0.99

01:21:02.000 Yeah.

01:21:02.000 Wow.

01:21:03.000 Well, what's also interesting is that if there's one institution that shouldn't worry about optics, it's the Supreme Court because it's one of the few places that you have lifelong membership.

01:21:12.000 So it's interesting that if that's really the motivation is optics, it's interesting that they would care about optics.

01:21:19.000 I think you need four votes in favor, if I'm not mistaken, in order to take up a case.

01:21:24.000 It's not a majority.

01:21:25.000 Is it?

01:21:27.000 Isn't it the chief justice who decides what case they're taking?

01:21:29.000 I'm not sure.

01:21:30.000 I honestly don't know.

01:21:32.000 I'm speaking based upon ignorance on the subject.

01:21:35.000 There's some amount of voting that needs to happen.

01:21:37.000 Yeah, I think Thomas was one of them that voted for to take up the case.

01:21:41.000 I just wonder who the ones weren't.

01:21:41.000 I forget who the other one was.

01:21:43.000 You know, I don't know.

01:21:43.000 Yeah.

01:21:45.000 I think it was only two that said it anywhere.

01:21:47.000 Is it published?

01:21:48.000 I'm sure you can look it up.

01:21:49.000 Yeah, I don't know who the other one was.

01:21:51.000 The nine justices of the Supreme Court decide which cases to take with at least four justices needing to vote to grant a writ of Qataria.

01:21:59.000 So they only needed four.

01:22:02.000 They've got the majority and they weren't able to get four.

01:22:04.000 Referred to as the rule of four.

01:22:06.000 Well, allegedly, there's only three liberal justices on the court.

01:22:09.000 So you'd assume that the six so-called conservative justices would vote not to take it.

01:22:14.000 Three of them had a defect.

01:22:16.000 Yeah.

01:22:17.000 It might not even be optics.

01:22:18.000 They might actually be scared for their lives after the Kavanaugh stuff. 0.62

01:22:21.000 I think that's the biggest death threats, which is ridiculous that they have to worry about that.

01:22:24.000 Because we don't arrest the people who do this stuff.

01:22:26.000 We do, but they don't get even as much jail time.

01:22:28.000 Yeah, exactly as they should.

01:22:30.000 Was the one was the one who, uh, well, and by the way, you're right that we small correction by so if we arrested some of the people who like threaten the judges directly, but when you see all the political violence that's occurred with people who haven't been arrested, I mean, if a massive mob surrounds them or does something like that, a lot of those people don't get in any trouble.

01:22:45.000 The guy who threatened Kavanaugh, who went there to kill him, did go to jail.

01:22:49.000 I believe he's in jail now or was just found guilty.

01:22:51.000 But it's for like a small position.

01:22:53.000 And then in court, the judge was saying, I'm glad that this led your family to accept you or something completely.

01:22:57.000 It's always, I think it's also worth mentioning public opinion currently in the United States on the matter.

01:23:03.000 So I'm reading right now from Pew about six in ten adults express a positive view of the impact of same-sex marriage being legal, including 36% who say it is very good for society.

01:23:13.000 Roughly four in 10 have a negative view, 37%, with 19% saying it's very bad.

01:23:19.000 So there is a supermajority in the country.

01:23:22.000 I mean, the Supreme Court shouldn't be motivated by the opinion polls.

01:23:25.000 Sure, but if they continue to do things that are extremely unpopular, then their legitimacy decreases and they become less relevant as a branch of the United States.

01:23:31.000 Their legitimacy decreased when they got Katanji Brown Jackson.

01:23:36.000 Brown Jackson.

01:23:37.000 I don't disagree.

01:23:39.000 And they shouldn't, again, be swayed by the public, but I think there are political realities that just, you know, they have to take into account.

01:23:45.000 They shouldn't be influenced by politics.

01:23:46.000 That's why they allegedly have these lifelong terms, but they don't exist in a vacuum.

01:23:46.000 You're right.

01:23:51.000 It's clear they're affected by other branches of government, too.

01:23:55.000 And you know, we're actually, some of us in this room are out of touch generally with what the American people are.

01:24:01.000 I thought he was saying out of the closet.

01:24:02.000 I was like, a lot.

01:24:04.000 Don't get your hopes up, Shane.

01:24:08.000 So generally, some of us might be a little bit out of touch with where the average American is.

01:24:12.000 I don't know if this is totally playing politics.

01:24:14.000 I don't know if the president told them maybe this isn't the right case to take up.

01:24:17.000 There have been rumors, too, that the president is extremely concerned about keeping the majority in the upcoming midterms.

01:24:23.000 Because if he were to lose the majority right now, what is there?

01:24:26.000 A three, four, five-seat majority of the Republicans, depending if you're counting Massey as a Republican.

01:24:31.000 So if the Democrats were to gain a majority again, there would be endless investigations.

01:24:35.000 The president would definitely be impeached again.

01:24:37.000 So I think, you know, he might be trying to hedge against that.

01:24:39.000 That's why we're seeing him do the redistricting, among other things.

01:24:42.000 Yeah.

01:24:43.000 It's possible that the justices are trying to play politics.

01:24:43.000 So I think you're right.

01:24:46.000 I have no idea.

01:24:47.000 Again, obviously, it's not the point of a Supreme Court justice to play politics.

01:24:50.000 I also understand in this hyper-polarized landscape why they might feel a need to.

01:24:53.000 And Shane, I think you're also correct that they could have been intimidated into deciding not to hear the case.

01:25:00.000 But with what you mentioned about opinion polling on the matter, if those numbers are accurate, what it demonstrates is that the law is a teacher.

01:25:09.000 Because remember, gay marriage, quote unquote, was not something that the public demanded.

01:25:14.000 It was not something that was voted for.

01:25:15.000 It was something that was forced onto us by the courts.

01:25:18.000 Even in California, the bluest blue state, they could not get people to vote in favor of it.

01:25:22.000 It was the California Supreme Court that decided that homosexual, quote unquote, marriage existed and had to be respected in the state of California.

01:25:30.000 And in such a limited time, with that legislative change that was forced onto the public by the courts, the American people have largely changed their perspective on this.

01:25:39.000 It can be changed back if the courts decide to reverse the decision.

01:25:43.000 This is not permanent.

01:25:46.000 I'm not sure that it's not.

01:25:47.000 They said of the Roe v. Wade that it was so-called settled law.

01:25:51.000 And that's why I used to argue to people constantly.

01:25:53.000 I used to interview leftists, women's march people on the street concerned about Roe v. Wade.

01:25:58.000 And I would tell them smugly, oh, well, it's settled law.

01:26:00.000 You know, that's what the Supreme Court justices said.

01:26:03.000 The Supreme Court justice said this is settled law.

01:26:05.000 You know, doesn't that mean anything to you?

01:26:07.000 And they'd go, no.

01:26:08.000 And, you know, I guess the same logic can apply here to the Bargerfeld decision.

01:26:11.000 Despite it being settled law, some people would argue that the legality, it's not very textualist in nature and could be overturned.

01:26:18.000 I do think they are taking politics into consideration, though, when it comes to this.

01:26:21.000 Although they maybe shouldn't, I feel like it is viewing them too much in a vacuum.

01:26:26.000 One more thing that I want to point out here, because Kim Davis got brought up, and that's such a throwback for most of us. 0.97

01:26:32.000 I don't think I've heard that name in what, 10 years.

01:26:35.000 She was made the target of a smear campaign by the media where rather than discussing whether she had the freedom as an American to not partake in the legitimizing of unions that she understood to be sinful, we instead had conversations about her moral character.

01:26:49.000 What they kept saying was, well, Kim Davis is divorced.

01:26:53.000 Okay, well, sodomy is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance, and she's still allowed to oppose it, even if she has committed other sins in her life. 0.86

01:27:00.000 The argument is not Kim Davis is a perfect person and the moral guru we all have to listen to.

01:27:04.000 The argument was: does a person have to earn the right to conscientiously object to partaking in the legitimizing of lifestyle choices they understand to be disgusting and wrong?

01:27:16.000 Do they have to earn that by being up to your moral standards?

01:27:21.000 Or are they allowed that freedom as Americans?

01:27:25.000 Yeah, because you're not allowed to speak out against their cult, their religion.

01:27:29.000 Their religion, their cult, you know, wants this stuff to happen.

01:27:32.000 So it's all this attack on Christianity.

01:27:34.000 Right.

01:27:35.000 100%.

01:27:35.000 And you're more.

01:27:36.000 There's one last tidbit I wanted to add on the gay marriage stuff. 0.70

01:27:40.000 Gay marriage and gay people. 0.98

01:27:41.000 Just a little tidbit. 0.64

01:27:42.000 Just a little tip.

01:27:42.000 Just a tiny bit.

01:27:43.000 Just a tip of a fly in that gay marriage. 1.00

01:27:46.000 I just thought tidbit was a funny word to use.

01:27:46.000 Oh, that's not what I meant.

01:27:49.000 I didn't mean it.

01:27:49.000 I think it's initially what you meant.

01:27:51.000 I think it's worth mentioning that gay men have become more prominent in the Republican Party now more than ever, both in the closet and out.

01:28:00.000 And that could help in normalizing gay people, particularly for the party that is most predisposed to potentially be against gay marriage.

01:28:08.000 Sorry, Lindsey Graham.

01:28:10.000 Forget Lindsey Graham. 1.00

01:28:11.000 It goes way up higher than that. 0.98

01:28:13.000 Scott Besant is, you know, well, he's publicly gay. 0.91

01:28:19.000 He's outwardly gay. 0.92

01:28:20.000 He has a pink house and he's married to a man. 0.92

01:28:22.000 He's got a pink house.

01:28:25.000 He sleeps with a pink blanket.

01:28:27.000 Lots on Zillow to him.

01:28:28.000 Pink Corvette.

01:28:29.000 No, there's a lot of him. 0.64

01:28:31.000 There's a lot of high-ranking gay people in the Trump administration and the Republican Party writ large.

01:28:37.000 And the Republican Party isn't nearly as anti-gay and against gay marriage as they used to be, despite there being a religious part of the party that is.

01:28:47.000 But I also know there's a lot of gay conservatives who don't agree with marriage being dictated by the government who are who actually oppose gay marriage.

01:28:54.000 So I think most of the gay men in the Republican Party support the O'Bergerfeld decision.

01:29:00.000 I've heard both.

01:29:01.000 You know, obviously there's some who are totally fine and there's others who don't.

01:29:04.000 You could say that about everything, but I think writ large, the gay Republican men do support their no, yeah, 90% of gay men.

01:29:12.000 Where'd you get that number?

01:29:12.000 Where'd you get that 90% number?

01:29:13.000 All the gay men that I've spoken to, and that's about the Republican Party, which are a lot of. 0.76

01:29:21.000 All the gay men. 0.97

01:29:21.000 There's a lot of pink houses. 0.97

01:29:22.000 There's a ton.

01:29:24.000 You could look up his house.

01:29:26.000 Oh, it's very pink.

01:29:27.000 It looks really.

01:29:28.000 Watch out.

01:29:29.000 He'll swing on you. 1.00

01:29:30.000 You talk shit about gay people in front of Besson. 1.00

01:29:31.000 I respected that. 1.00

01:29:33.000 That was fun.

01:29:33.000 I mean, that was fun.

01:29:34.000 But that is to say, they're very influential.

01:29:36.000 There are many very influential gay men in the administration, in the party, and this is becoming more normalized in the party.

01:29:42.000 I think going the opposite direction.

01:29:44.000 Are Christians in the Republican Party supposed to accept that then just because they're on state governors are so-called Christians.

01:29:50.000 And whether or not you want to accept them as Christians. 0.99

01:29:51.000 Well, I don't. 0.99

01:29:52.000 Yeah, I know Peter Thiel calls himself a Christian, but he's an unrepentant sinner married to a gay man. 1.00

01:29:56.000 Well, you sin. 0.99

01:29:57.000 Are you still a Christian?

01:29:57.000 We're all born sinners.

01:29:58.000 Well, there is a sinner.

01:29:59.000 Yeah, but there's a difference.

01:30:00.000 I'm not living in unrepentant sin.

01:30:02.000 There's a difference.

01:30:02.000 Married to a man.

01:30:03.000 I don't know.

01:30:04.000 I mean, you know more about your sins than I do.

01:30:06.000 And I'm not here to tell people they are or aren't Christian based on this.

01:30:08.000 We're all ruling.

01:30:09.000 Well, I will know, but there's actually an important distinction here.

01:30:11.000 Like, it is also a sin to deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.

01:30:16.000 You wouldn't say, well, you can't tell that person they're not Christian because they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ because you also sin.

01:30:22.000 Like, if you have chosen to base your beliefs around something explicitly anti-Christian and you've said what the church, what tradition, what scripture explicitly defines as a sin isn't a sin and I'm not allowed to do it, or and I am allowed to do it, is different from being a believing Christian who sometimes makes mistakes.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, but Seamus, for example, that's like you're stripping away many people of their religious, you know, no, I'm not their decision making.

01:30:46.000 That's their bad decision making.

01:30:48.000 That's bad theology, as I understand, are pro-choice.

01:30:52.000 Those are not practicing Catholics.

01:30:53.000 So you'd say more than people who call themselves Catholic aren't?

01:30:56.000 Certainly, that's Hollywood Catholics. 0.65

01:30:57.000 They're baptized Catholics.

01:30:58.000 They're not practicing that.

01:30:59.000 But this is not the same.

01:31:00.000 Are you the Pope, though?

01:31:01.000 Like, no, you're able to decide.

01:31:02.000 No, and because I'm the Pope, no, I'm not allowed to decide this because I'm not the Pope.

01:31:07.000 I have to follow what the Church has already said.

01:31:08.000 And what the Church has already said is there are certain standards you have to meet in order to be considered a practicing Catholic.

01:31:12.000 And one of them is you have to give full assent to Catholic teaching, including the teachings on abortion.

01:31:17.000 Ergo, no, they literally are not practicing Catholics by definition.

01:31:20.000 So I would be playing God and playing Pope, right?

01:31:24.000 If I were to say, no, you can be Catholic, you can be a practicing Catholic, even if you explicitly reject church teaching.

01:31:29.000 So I'm a Jew, so I'll hold my tongue only a little bit when talking on these Catholic issues.

01:31:33.000 As I understand, the Pope recognizes these people as Catholics.

01:31:37.000 The Pope does not recognize them as practicing Catholics.

01:31:39.000 And the Magisterium of the Church does not recognize them as practicing Catholics.

01:31:43.000 The Pope doesn't recognize people who are pro-choice as Catholics?

01:31:46.000 We're deciding Catholic and the Pope has not issued a statement.

01:31:50.000 The Pope has not issued a statement overturning church teaching that practicing Catholics have to give assent to Catholic teaching.

01:31:57.000 The Pope has not done that.

01:32:00.000 Okay.

01:32:00.000 Those people aren't Catholic.

01:32:01.000 Okay.

01:32:02.000 Anyway, we can move on from this topic.

01:32:04.000 Because otherwise, well, yeah, we can move on from there.

01:32:06.000 We do another hour.

01:32:07.000 What's that?

01:32:07.000 We do another hour.

01:32:09.000 I think the gay stuff is. 0.98

01:32:10.000 All of that is to say the gay stuff's becoming more normalized in the Republican Party despite the fact that aren't there a lot of graphs that show that support for a gay marriage is declining?

01:32:18.000 Yes.

01:32:19.000 And there's a revival in Christianity right now.

01:32:20.000 Yeah, there's a revival in Christianity.

01:32:22.000 So I think anything that you do to shrink the party is probably bad for the party and for the United States because if you allow the Democrats to get back into power, they're going to start throwing conservatives in jail.

01:32:41.000 If Christians have self-have the desire for self-preservation, you do not want Democrats back in power.

01:32:51.000 Listen, the Democrats call Christians Christian nationalists. 0.61

01:32:56.000 They associate Christians with Nazis. 0.99

01:32:59.000 They associate Christians with evil. 0.98

01:33:02.000 And they will use the government to oppress you.

01:33:05.000 My self-preservation is voted in eternity outside of the material world.

01:33:09.000 You are welcome to have that opinion.

01:33:12.000 And I'm not going to sacrifice my beliefs to help the party, the material world.

01:33:17.000 I can't.

01:33:17.000 I'm not going to vote for someone who is also antithetical to my beliefs.

01:33:21.000 That's fine to have that opinion.

01:33:25.000 But if you do, then you are going to send people that don't agree with that into the hands of the Democrats and into the hands of people that will destroy the country.

01:33:36.000 My thing is, though, I think we're screwed on either side right now.

01:33:38.000 And one of the things I have the problem with Trump is the total embrace of Silicon Valley, which is anti-human and anti-Christian.

01:33:45.000 And they're building out a dystopia that is shackling people to the material world.

01:33:49.000 So right now, I feel like they're both kind of selling out humanity and the middle class for sure. 0.99

01:33:55.000 And by the way, Phil, even though I disagree, I understand your argument from strategy.

01:33:58.000 I understand coming at it from a place of pragmatism.

01:34:01.000 A, I agree with Shane, but and B, then it becomes a question of how much do we allow the party to change and lose its identity for the sake of getting outside people in?

01:34:10.000 Because at some point you go, well, what are we fighting for?

01:34:12.000 What values do we have?

01:34:13.000 Has always been a part of the concern or of the right that was based not on religious principles.

01:34:23.000 There has always been a wing or whatever you want to call it of the Republican Party that was based on economics and not based on social conservative conservatism.

01:34:34.000 And I think that it is important to keep the big tent.

01:34:39.000 Because look, if you're going to start saying you are a sinner, so you're not welcome in my party, you're going to. 1.00

01:34:46.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:34:47.000 I believe we're all born sinners.

01:34:47.000 No, yeah, that's not the argument.

01:34:49.000 It sounds a lot like it because it's going to start saying, okay, if you're a pro-choice conservative or a pro-choice Republican, you can't be here. 0.93

01:34:57.000 If you're a gay Republican, you can't be here. 1.00

01:34:59.000 These things will whittle away at support on the right. 0.97

01:35:03.000 That is not something that the right can afford.

01:35:06.000 Whereas right now, the right is largely made up of Democrats.

01:35:10.000 Look at Donald Trump, RFK, Tulsi Gabbard.

01:35:14.000 All these people are Democrats that are basically not far left enough.

01:35:19.000 Right now, we have a big tent Republican Party, and it's fine if you don't have to agree, but I don't think that saying, look, we need to kick out people or we need to stop aligning with the big tent party because we believe because our faith won't allow us.

01:35:35.000 I think that will cause massive problems for the country.

01:35:39.000 That's not what we're saying.

01:35:40.000 If someone is in favor of abortion, I want them to vote Republican. 0.54

01:35:43.000 The Republican Party should not become a pro-abortion party.

01:35:46.000 And if it does, then you're not allowing the pro-lifers and the people who have sustained this party for decades and been the most reliable voting block for it are going to be pushed out.

01:35:55.000 So it's a question of which side we're on, and it's a question of which policies we're going to adopt.

01:35:59.000 If the Republican Party says that it's going to become a pro-abortion party, it loses like 90% of its appeal for me.

01:36:06.000 That's fine.

01:36:07.000 And people are going to leave.

01:36:08.000 So if someone's pro-abortion, again, I want them to vote for our candidates.

01:36:12.000 We should not change our position.

01:36:14.000 So fair enough, maybe using abortion is a bad example when it comes to the issue about whether or not gay people should be welcomed in the Republican Party or whether or not we should overturn Obergefeld.

01:36:28.000 Remember, that's just the federal overturn, same as Roe versus Wade, right?

01:36:31.000 You still have states' rights to have gay marriage, correct?

01:36:34.000 I mean, that's all that this is.

01:36:35.000 This would be a discussion of that or no.

01:36:38.000 I think that's probably what would happen.

01:36:40.000 The federal government would probably turn it over to the states if they overturned Obergefeld.

01:36:43.000 It would just be like, right, you're not making gay marriage illegal in the United States.

01:36:46.000 You're just simply overturning the federalization of the gay marriage law.

01:36:50.000 Fair enough.

01:36:50.000 But like I said, we are a big, the reason the MAGA coalition has won is because it is a big tent coalition.

01:36:59.000 And the Christian conservatives are an important leg, but also the not left enough Democrats that have found a home in the MAGA coalition, they are important too, because that is what Donald Trump is.

01:37:13.000 That is what Tulsi Gabbard is.

01:37:14.000 That is what RFK is.

01:37:15.000 That is what a lot, most of the people in Washington that are in the cabinet are those people.

01:37:21.000 And this is maybe where we disagree, but where we probably do have some area of agreement, which is I do think that with the parties transforming and changing and people moving over to the Republican Party from the Democratic Party, there are ways the Republican Party can benefit policy-wise.

01:37:34.000 I just think that's on diametrically opposite issues.

01:37:36.000 Like, I would rather see the Republican Party maybe embrace like some kind of support for local social safety nets or the kind of thing the Republican Party might not spring for in the past with people who were traditionally Democrats entering into the party or some of the stuff RFK says about what's in our food supply.

01:37:51.000 Historically, Republicans have said that's nanny state stuff.

01:37:54.000 We don't want anyone being concerned with the health of our food.

01:37:56.000 I do think there's room for policy growth on the with the no, absolutely not, because single payer would destroy the country.

01:38:03.000 But I don't think abortion is the same.

01:38:05.000 What's the difference?

01:38:06.000 If you allow the Democrats to get into power, that'll destroy the country too, because they're going to get single payer.

01:38:11.000 Sure, we oh, you're saying if we let the democrats get power, they're gonna get single pairs if yeah, but we can't just be like just but the thing is we can't only be one percent to the right of the democrats because if they get elected, it'll be worse.

01:38:23.000 We have to draw a line somewhere, and I think we just ultimately disagree over where we draw the line.

01:38:27.000 Uh, I mean, maybe, but I think that my in my opinion, the the conservatives or the Republicans winning is the most important thing.

01:38:37.000 Well, Elod, you've been wanting to say something for a while, so let me let you jump in.

01:38:41.000 And by the way, this could also be part of the after show.

01:38:43.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot to yeah, there's just one one thing I feel like it's important to hit on, and I want to ask you this, Seamus.

01:38:48.000 Uh, do you feel marginalized by the Trump administration?

01:38:52.000 Kind of your support being taken for granted, given his stances on things like abortion.

01:38:58.000 Recently, in Texas, he didn't want to challenge a case regarding Mefa Pristo and the abortion pill.

01:39:03.000 Um, I don't know if you're against IVF, but he's definitely very supportive of IVF.

01:39:07.000 Depending on how you look at this Obergefeld thing to not even take up the case, you could say that he's tacitly pro-gay marriage.

01:39:15.000 Well, no, he's openly gay marriage, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

01:39:18.000 So, do you feel marginalized as a result of that?

01:39:20.000 Because, I mean, a lot of your top issues are taking a back seat in the Trump.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.

01:39:25.000 Absolutely.

01:39:26.000 And I don't want to speak for Shane here, but I think this is the way that, and I don't want to speak for you either, but I think this is the way that a lot of conservative Christians feel that the party's trying to soften his stance on abortion before the election.

01:39:35.000 Not good.

01:39:36.000 I didn't like that.

01:39:37.000 No, that really made me angry.

01:39:38.000 The reality was, I knew that Kamala was so much worse on the issue, so I just didn't really have a choice.

01:39:43.000 But I thought that was a disaster.

01:39:44.000 He's the most pro-choice Republican.

01:39:46.000 Pro-abortion Republican that we've ever had.

01:39:48.000 Yep.

01:39:48.000 We've ever had.

01:39:49.000 It's unfortunate.

01:39:49.000 I agree with you.

01:39:50.000 I don't like it.

01:39:51.000 So, yes, to answer your question, yes, I do feel marginalized.

01:39:53.000 And I do not think that.

01:39:53.000 I think it's a bad thing.

01:39:54.000 And you probably should, frankly.

01:39:55.000 Yeah, with how it's going.

01:39:56.000 Yeah, especially on IVF, by the way.

01:39:58.000 Very bad.

01:39:59.000 Getting it.

01:40:00.000 Lots of unborn babies made and then just flushed away.

01:40:00.000 Very bad.

01:40:03.000 Just killed me.

01:40:03.000 You know, it's interesting with Trump, though, because it's a give and take because he is not the ideal candidate for somebody who has Christian beliefs and every single belief.

01:40:14.000 But he's also one of the only candidates who actually stands up for Christians.

01:40:18.000 Like we're talking about, you know, Christians being slaughtered over an African year.

01:40:22.000 And he's the only politician I can think of that actually is addressing it.

01:40:26.000 So, you know, it's give or take with Trump.

01:40:29.000 Trump is always complicated.

01:40:30.000 It's never just black and white with Trump.

01:40:32.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

01:40:33.000 And that's one of the very strange things about Trump.

01:40:36.000 But we're going to go over to super chats real quick.

01:40:39.000 I'm going to run.

01:40:40.000 We're running a little bit late.

01:40:41.000 I'm going to run to my show.

01:40:42.000 We love you.

01:40:43.000 All right.

01:40:44.000 Thank you for having me.

01:40:44.000 It's great seeing you, man.

01:40:45.000 See you guys.

01:40:46.000 Pleasure meeting you.

01:40:47.000 You crush it tonight, big guy.

01:40:48.000 Join us on Rumble and YouTube at Inverta World Live.

01:40:50.000 I'll have Viva Fry on at 10 o'clock.

01:40:52.000 We're going to talk about ostriches getting massacred. 0.98

01:40:54.000 I know it sounds insane, but this is really a crazy story.

01:40:57.000 Did they do that in Australia once?

01:40:59.000 They were totally laughing.

01:41:00.000 They killed all the dogs during COVID that people wanted to adopt.

01:41:04.000 They said, don't adopt them. 0.99

01:41:05.000 We're going to slaughter them all.

01:41:06.000 They also, I think in Finland, killed 3 million ferrets because they were afraid of COVID. 0.98

01:41:10.000 So it's kind of in line with all that insane policy stuff.

01:41:13.000 But I'll see you guys there.

01:41:14.000 And thanks for having me.

01:41:15.000 Later, guys.

01:41:16.000 Take care, bud.

01:41:17.000 Beautiful.

01:41:18.000 All right.

01:41:18.000 Good job, Frank.

01:41:19.000 Thank you, man.

01:41:20.000 It's great to see you, as always.

01:41:22.000 So we're going to pull up some of these questions.

01:41:25.000 The Senate passed the legislation to open the federal government.

01:41:27.000 It's going back to the House tomorrow.

01:41:29.000 They expect to vote.

01:41:30.000 Nice.

01:41:32.000 30 minutes ago, that was breaking.

01:41:35.000 Some of these names are so difficult to read, but I don't know where the space is supposed to be.

01:41:39.000 I don't blame you.

01:41:40.000 Unitonate glue?

01:41:43.000 Unit unit glue.

01:41:44.000 Yeah.

01:41:45.000 Yeah, what's wrong with me?

01:41:45.000 Unit unit.

01:41:46.000 That's just the same word twice.

01:41:47.000 Tripped me up. 0.99

01:41:48.000 People shouldn't worry about being demonized by murderers, thieves, liars, and criminals. 0.99

01:41:53.000 People need to grow a spine. 0.95

01:41:54.000 I totally agree.

01:41:56.000 Can we get an eye for everyone who agrees with that?

01:41:58.000 Aye.

01:42:00.000 Phil doesn't agree, I guess.

01:42:01.000 I didn't even hear you.

01:42:04.000 So Tiffany says Republican Party goes 100% anti-abortion. 0.99

01:42:09.000 You lose elections again.

01:42:09.000 Conservatives and MAGA are not pure per-life.

01:42:12.000 Seamus the spoon stealer is wrong.

01:42:13.000 Well, you're wrong for several reasons because I'm not a spoon stealer.

01:42:16.000 I've never done that.

01:42:17.000 You know me, you know me.

01:42:18.000 You know, I wouldn't do that.

01:42:19.000 But the Republican Party can't embrace abortion at any point or for any reason.

01:42:24.000 Chad T says, Phil, I disagree.

01:42:27.000 More than a, and this is, this is actually the most controversial thing you said tonight, Phil, that they're going to disagree with.

01:42:31.000 And it's going to open a whole discussion.

01:42:33.000 They said, Phil, I disagree.

01:42:34.000 More than 10 to 12 hour drive, you fly.

01:42:36.000 I live three hours from a major airport, one to four hours waiting for connections, eat more time than driving.

01:42:43.000 Very fly direct flights from regional airports.

01:42:46.000 Most people aren't three hours from a major airport.

01:42:48.000 Yeah, I tell you, I would concede because I think that it is, it does, just to your point, like it does matter where you're from.

01:42:56.000 Being from the East Coast, right?

01:42:58.000 I don't think anywhere from, you know, from Boston all the way down here, you're more than an hour and a half, two hours from an airport.

01:43:07.000 So I think that that does take, you take that into account.

01:43:10.000 And if you're out west, you know, if you, if you're out, you know, in the, in the hills in the Rockies or whatever, and it's three hours to get to Boise or to Denver or Salt Lake, then I totally understand why you would have that opinion.

01:43:24.000 I don't have any problem with your take at all.

01:43:27.000 So I do think that you make sense.

01:43:30.000 I think that my opinion is context dependent because I live on the East Coast.

01:43:34.000 Beautiful.

01:43:35.000 So Jay Dirtbiker says, today marks the 50-year anniversary since the Edmund Fitzgerald went down in the frigid waters of Lake Superior.

01:43:43.000 Rest in peace to the 29 souls on the board who lost their lives on that terrible day.

01:43:48.000 Amen.

01:43:49.000 God bless them.

01:43:50.000 They were doing very difficult work to provide for their fellow Americans and they died.

01:43:56.000 And there's a, I'm sure you guys all know this, the incredible Gordon Lightfoot song about it.

01:44:00.000 It's kind of been going viral lately.

01:44:02.000 A lot of people have been talking about it.

01:44:03.000 Absolutely.

01:44:03.000 You want to sing it a little bit?

01:44:05.000 I don't know if we have the rights to it.

01:44:06.000 I don't know if I'm allowed to sing it on it.

01:44:08.000 He's illegal coverage.

01:44:10.000 I'll just have to ask Tim if that's allowed.

01:44:13.000 Evan for us says, as the mass exodus happens out of New York, they will lose their electoral power and hold on the country and red as well as purple areas will become more red.

01:44:24.000 Let's go.

01:44:25.000 Yeah, so here's the thing.

01:44:26.000 I hope so.

01:44:27.000 It's always difficult whenever you have this kind of mass exodus because someone thinking that Zoran Mamdani's policies make New York unlivable does not make them a right-wing conservative.

01:44:37.000 That's pretty much a normal position that like any reasonable person has.

01:44:41.000 And so a lot of these people are going to move to red states and they're going to ruin them. 0.95

01:44:44.000 I'm sorry to spoil that for you.

01:44:47.000 That was another Bablombi headline.

01:44:49.000 This was actually from two days ago.

01:44:50.000 Mamdani dethrones Gavin Newsome as U-Haul's top salesman.

01:44:54.000 Well, this is the other thing.

01:44:56.000 He might do more to increase property values in Florida than DeSantis ever could.

01:45:00.000 Do you guys think that there are a lot of people that would make the argument that Mamdani is Islam first?

01:45:07.000 And then there are people that would say that he is leftist first.

01:45:09.000 What is your sense?

01:45:11.000 I think he's Islam first. 1.00

01:45:13.000 Wow, real.

01:45:13.000 Okay.

01:45:13.000 I'm curious.

01:45:15.000 I mean, just based upon the circles that he has been courting, I guess you would say, I think that it's still unpopular enough to be Islam first in a major city like New York that you kind of have to be hushed about it. 0.83

01:45:31.000 But based upon the people he surrounded himself with, especially towards the end of the election cycle, I think that that's just a decoy to get out.

01:45:39.000 So I think he is anti-American first.

01:45:42.000 I'll give you a real answer.

01:45:43.000 But he's anti-American first.

01:45:45.000 I do believe he is Muslim first, and he's using leftist politics as a vehicle for his anti-Americanism. 0.89

01:45:52.000 Right.

01:45:53.000 So I'm going to answer somewhat similarly.

01:45:56.000 A little bit of a distinction here, though.

01:45:59.000 I think that he's leftist first, but in the sense that the reason leftism appeals to him is because of the anti-white identity coalition that forms around it.

01:46:11.000 I believe that he views himself very much as a member of his specific ethnic group.

01:46:16.000 And this is basically what he was saying during a speech.

01:46:18.000 You know, black and brown solidarity will defeat white supremacy.

01:46:24.000 To him, it seems the most important thing is pushing back against what he views as like white hegemony.

01:46:32.000 I think he's fueled by racial resentment.

01:46:34.000 I believe that his Islamic beliefs probably play a role in that.

01:46:39.000 So it's difficult to separate it.

01:46:41.000 Yeah, I think his anti-colonial beliefs are downstream from his Islamic beliefs and resentment from is like downstream from there.

01:46:50.000 And well, this is important because it's like, is he a leftist first?

01:46:53.000 Well, I've said this a million times before, but leftism is essentially just the intellectual rationalization for social decay.

01:46:58.000 And as societies decay, the thing that people care more about than their actual values are things like skin color.

01:47:04.000 So you look in prison, they're not like having debates over, you know, what policies they think they should have as inmates as they interact with each other.

01:47:12.000 They go with their racial group because when everything else has broken down, that's what people gravitate towards. 0.89

01:47:18.000 And so because leftism is social decay, it does lend itself towards people just coalescing with their own specific racial or ethnic group and not in the sense where they like love or prefer their own people, but where they hate other groups, like they hate white people, for example.

01:47:34.000 And I think Mamdani is a really good example of that.

01:47:36.000 So I don't know that there's this like complex, you know, ideological rationalization for it.

01:47:43.000 I think that the thing that matters to him quite a lot is his ethnic identity.

01:47:48.000 All right.

01:47:50.000 So we have from Nathan O'Connell, there are foreign combatants inside our country. 0.98

01:47:55.000 American civilians are providing material and financial support.

01:47:59.000 At what point is treason not an acceptable charge for these supporters?

01:48:03.000 Yeah, I mean, I think if you have enemies of the United States operating within our borders and Americans are funding them, then they absolutely need to be tried for treason.

01:48:10.000 I'm not sure if someone has like a more nuanced or complicated answer than that, but first of all, I'm comfortable saying that.

01:48:16.000 Amen.

01:48:17.000 A lot easier to find them. 0.83

01:48:19.000 But yes, they both should be punished. 0.93

01:48:22.000 They're taking cues from the Palestinians with that one, with the rock throwing, huh? 1.00

01:48:27.000 We should just go to the Mexican. 0.99

01:48:30.000 Hold on, no, we're going to sit with that.

01:48:31.000 We're going to sit with Elon's Elon.

01:48:33.000 Oh, my gosh, I called you Elon.

01:48:34.000 We're going to sit.

01:48:35.000 I don't know.

01:48:35.000 I guess that's a compliment.

01:48:36.000 Eat all this.

01:48:37.000 We got to put this.

01:48:41.000 So, oh, oh, next question.

01:48:42.000 You're shooting too much hair, by the way, for it to be a test.

01:48:44.000 No, I know.

01:48:45.000 It's a real shaky hair, remember?

01:48:49.000 It's true.

01:48:49.000 He hides his hair under the beanie.

01:48:50.000 Why don't you shave your head tomorrow?

01:48:52.000 That's what I should do. 0.93

01:48:52.000 I should just completely shave my head. 0.93

01:48:55.000 Scotty Mitz says, as the time honor tradition demands, I am super chatting to report that I'm watching from the hospital.

01:49:02.000 My wife has given birth to our second and third daughters.

01:49:06.000 Second and third day.

01:49:06.000 This fine day.

01:49:07.000 So the second and third daughters she's given birth to that fine day.

01:49:09.000 That's double.

01:49:11.000 She is triple.

01:49:12.000 No, I'm kidding.

01:49:13.000 Bad joke.

01:49:13.000 God bless you guys.

01:49:14.000 We're very happy for you.

01:49:16.000 That's amazing.

01:49:16.000 I'm glad you're super chatting in.

01:49:18.000 And what good news?

01:49:20.000 We talk about some difficult things that happen in the world on this show.

01:49:23.000 So it's always nice to get a little white pill like that.

01:49:26.000 Oh, man.

01:49:27.000 So we have this username, Mammalian.

01:49:31.000 Cloned beef and pork has entered the Canadian food supply without safety testing or mandatory labeling, followed by the cutting of 300 ostriches in BC.

01:49:39.000 Seems weird, A.

01:49:41.000 They said A, so we know they are Canadian.

01:49:43.000 So this all has to be true.

01:49:45.000 I have no idea about this story.

01:49:46.000 Are you guys familiar with this story of cloned more ostriches in their marketplace? 0.93

01:49:50.000 Like 300 of them, they just offed them for no reason because they're like, oh, bird flu or something.

01:49:55.000 Didn't Biden do this with a bunch of chickens? 0.65

01:49:58.000 More than 300 chickens, yeah.

01:49:59.000 Yeah, more than 300, but I know that there was a bunch of chicken.

01:50:01.000 Enough that the cost of eggs went through the roof for a while.

01:50:03.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 So nice.

01:50:05.000 And this is a crazy thing where they wouldn't they not they like wouldn't let the farmers quarantine the chickens or something.

01:50:09.000 They're like, you have to do it our way.

01:50:10.000 Oh, yeah, no, of course.

01:50:11.000 The people in D.C. know the most about farming.

01:50:14.000 Of course they do.

01:50:15.000 Bunch of geniuses.

01:50:17.000 All right.

01:50:17.000 Let's grab another one.

01:50:23.000 Yeah.

01:50:24.000 Yeah.

01:50:25.000 Seamus, can I ask you a question?

01:50:27.000 So hold on.

01:50:27.000 Well, I want to make sure we get to these chats, but listen, on the after show, we will really.

01:50:31.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 You guys need to sign up for the Discord.

01:50:33.000 Be sure to sign up, TimCast.com, become a member.

01:50:36.000 Yeah, you could have joined Elad and myself before the show today and asked questions if you wanted to.

01:50:43.000 It was intimate.

01:50:43.000 It was an intimate pre-show.

01:50:45.000 That sounds gross.

01:50:46.000 With a lot and Phil.

01:50:47.000 All right, so from Libertarian Hawk, they said 35-year residential appraiser in Florida here.

01:50:51.000 The 50-year mortgage would decimate equity building.

01:50:54.000 50-year mortgage would take 36 years before principal would pass interest payments.

01:50:59.000 That's crazy.

01:51:00.000 Doesn't sound kosher to me.

01:51:02.000 Doesn't sound very good.

01:51:02.000 30 years.

01:51:03.000 If it's all written as you'd assume it would be for $188 savings on a $410,000 house.

01:51:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:11.000 Yeah.

01:51:12.000 Crazy.

01:51:12.000 That's like actually completely insane.

01:51:15.000 That is nuts.

01:51:15.000 That's completely insane.

01:51:17.000 Bill Dozer.

01:51:19.000 Oh, no.

01:51:20.000 They said, y'all going to talk about why Rand opposed this?

01:51:23.000 Talk about them trying to criminalize hemp again. 0.98

01:51:26.000 Elad is misleading AF.

01:51:28.000 No.

01:51:28.000 Elod, how do you answer to these charges?

01:51:31.000 Repeat the super chat.

01:51:32.000 I know Rand Paul was trying to change some amendment that they were changing in Kansas regarding some hemp laws.

01:51:38.000 I don't think a government shutdown is what he should try to leverage to change this law.

01:51:44.000 Every other Republican senator voted to continue to open the government so the president can continue his agenda.

01:51:51.000 I don't think this is a good cop-out for Rand.

01:51:54.000 Hold on a second.

01:51:55.000 Hold on.

01:51:55.000 Elod just hates libertarians because they will go against the MAGA agenda.

01:52:03.000 And so because of that, he will always frame them in the worst possible light.

01:52:09.000 He will never be charitable to them.

01:52:11.000 You must understand that.

01:52:13.000 It's hard to be charitable.

01:52:16.000 They oppose Mass reporting.

01:52:18.000 He does not deny the agenda in Venezuela.

01:52:21.000 They oppose the president in every which way.

01:52:23.000 Again, like with Republicans like Massey and Rand Paul, who needs Democrats?

01:52:28.000 But we don't need to get too much of it.

01:52:31.000 He will never steel man their arguments ever.

01:52:33.000 What did he say specifically?

01:52:34.000 He's like, oh, it's good that Rand was grandstanding on some niche hemp law that nobody cares about.

01:52:40.000 Again, never.

01:52:41.000 Is that what he said?

01:52:42.000 Is that what this is?

01:52:44.000 That's what it is.

01:52:45.000 That's what it is.

01:52:46.000 I don't think the government shutdown should be leveraged.

01:52:48.000 I agree with laws about hemp laws that are actually staying the same.

01:52:52.000 He wants to change them to have his vote be brought in.

01:52:55.000 Everything I said.

01:52:56.000 Instead of maintaining the status quo.

01:52:58.000 Hold on a second.

01:52:59.000 These libertarians will all travel shut down.

01:53:02.000 You will never steel man the argument.

01:53:04.000 You will never have a job.

01:53:05.000 All right, let's get next super chat with you.

01:53:06.000 All right, yeah, so I'm going to read two of these questions.

01:53:10.000 We have from Ryan Hunter.

01:53:11.000 Regarding mortgages, if the borrower is given three choices with equity rates, 30 years, 50 years, and 50 years with monthly costs of 30 years, additional money is used as down payment, you save on interest and finish at 24.5 years.

01:53:28.000 I'm a neocon, not an economist.

01:53:30.000 Can we bomb the mortgage? 0.62

01:53:33.000 Then let the economist talk.

01:53:35.000 Well, I mean, that's the thing is like you have to see how everything is written up.

01:53:39.000 Like we don't know.

01:53:40.000 We don't know what is available.

01:53:41.000 We don't know what's possible.

01:53:42.000 Like they are the government.

01:53:43.000 They decide how this stuff goes.

01:53:45.000 So I guess we'll just see.

01:53:47.000 Yeah, doesn't the Fed control rates and that will affect the prices of homes as well?

01:53:51.000 And hey, if you don't have any money, buy a home in West Virginia.

01:53:57.000 That is not financial advice.

01:53:58.000 That is not financial advice.

01:53:59.000 We have to be very careful.

01:54:00.000 We don't get financial advice on the show.

01:54:03.000 Lysandron Stormwalker says, make it illegal for BlackRock or Vanguard or any of these other companies to own single-family homes.

01:54:12.000 My sister-in-law and her husband sold their house and BlackRock bought it and paid over the asking price.

01:54:17.000 Well, it sounds like you're jealous of your sister and her husband.

01:54:19.000 Yeah, that sounds like crazy cope.

01:54:21.000 She should be happy that she got paid extra.

01:54:22.000 And also, this is a crazy cope because BlackRock barely owns any of these single-family homes.

01:54:26.000 I disavow.

01:54:27.000 I'm kidding.

01:54:28.000 I'm scared.

01:54:28.000 Elot is actually.

01:54:30.000 Does BlackRock legitimately own far less than 1%?

01:54:33.000 And this is just like a cope for housing prices being an issue in our country.

01:54:37.000 You are cursing.

01:54:38.000 Remember, BlackRock and like these fund managers and stuff, they're publicly traded.

01:54:45.000 So it does help for the people that own stock in these companies as well.

01:54:51.000 I just want to say.

01:54:52.000 Most people are retired.

01:54:53.000 I was just making, I was just cracking a quip, making a little joke when I said that you're jealous.

01:54:57.000 I don't think you're jealous.

01:54:58.000 And I agree with your concern.

01:54:59.000 I think it's legitimate.

01:55:00.000 One thing I will mention is: yes, Elot, I think you are correct that BlackRock buying up residential properties is certainly not the main culprit here.

01:55:06.000 I think this is a way that people want to misdirect some of the anger at other more serious issues, like millions and millions and millions, tens of millions of illegals being in the United States and regulations that prevent new houses from being built, new residential properties and constructions from going underway.

01:55:23.000 So there's a lot to this.

01:55:25.000 Like, dude, you're from New York.

01:55:26.000 You know, all those big skyscrapers and all those apartments that have like nobody in them because they just bought it as like a land.

01:55:31.000 Like, you know, oh, it's going to hold some property here in the U.S., et cetera, pay lower taxes.

01:55:35.000 That's what needs to change.

01:55:36.000 It's like there's so many more systemic things that need to change in order for it to actually be fixed.

01:55:40.000 But that's a good one for you here, Seamus.

01:55:42.000 I think this is real estate being a commodity that's an issue.

01:55:45.000 Because that's what we're really talking about here, right?

01:55:47.000 Real estate as a commodity and people using it as a vehicle to store their wealth in.

01:55:52.000 Right.

01:55:53.000 I think that should be changed.

01:55:54.000 I think there's a lot of truth in that.

01:55:55.000 It's completely.

01:55:56.000 I mean, it feels like so much of the economy at this point is built on that.

01:55:59.000 It's difficult to know how we could strip that away.

01:56:01.000 And property ownership has become one of the primary vehicles of generating wealth for your average middle-class family.

01:56:07.000 So decommodifying it could actually really hurt the middle class.

01:56:09.000 But ultimately, I think you're right that it probably is a more sensible way to operate your economy where the house is not merely viewed as an asset.

01:56:17.000 Or the very least something.

01:56:19.000 I don't know if it's possible to detangle it from being an asset and still allow it to be the vehicle for wealth generation that it is.

01:56:26.000 So I don't know.

01:56:27.000 Like, is there a way to do this where we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater?

01:56:29.000 We need another Levitt town.

01:56:31.000 We need to mass produce these, you know, have these nice neighborhoods on Long Island, produce Bill O'Reilly's.

01:56:37.000 That's where he was born at least, by the way.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:40.000 I think it, like, I think it's going to be short-term pain no matter what.

01:56:43.000 There's going to be short-term pain to correct what's happened because we've been sold, like, we've been sold out.

01:56:48.000 We've been screwed over.

01:56:49.000 So no matter what happens, there's going to be short-term pain.

01:56:51.000 And then hopefully in the long term, it works out.

01:56:53.000 That's the only thing we can hope for at this point.

01:56:54.000 But yeah, this one was pretty good.

01:56:56.000 Amen.

01:56:56.000 All right.

01:56:56.000 So we have from Matthew Pacheco.

01:57:00.000 They said 26-year-old Denver, Colorado Magger.

01:57:05.000 Another man.

01:57:06.000 I thought that was short for something.

01:57:07.000 And then I remember that Tim made that new word.

01:57:10.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 And proud Catholic carrying on the tradition of super chatting.

01:57:14.000 Well, my wife is in labor.

01:57:16.000 Another way.

01:57:18.000 Second child and second son.

01:57:20.000 I love the idea of all these guys in the waiting room, like outside just super chatting and watching, honey, wait, honey, wait.

01:57:28.000 No, it's kind of based.

01:57:29.000 It's kind of based.

01:57:30.000 And thank you for your chat.

01:57:32.000 Please pray for my wife's health and love you, Seamus.

01:57:35.000 God bless you.

01:57:36.000 God has blessed you, man, with the children.

01:57:38.000 That is a beautiful thing.

01:57:41.000 That is a beautiful thing.

01:57:42.000 Good for you.

01:57:43.000 Good for you.

01:57:44.000 Very happy.

01:57:46.000 Very happy for them.

01:57:47.000 It looks like we probably got time for like maybe one or two more.

01:57:51.000 Four or five more.

01:57:51.000 Maybe four or five more, maybe 12 more.

01:57:53.000 Six, seven more.

01:57:55.000 Stop it.

01:57:55.000 You're off.

01:57:56.000 You're kicked off the show.

01:57:57.000 You can never come back on for that one.

01:58:00.000 Let's see.

01:58:02.000 If I can find something inside Rumble, let's go over here.

01:58:05.000 Oh, the Rumble Rants.

01:58:06.000 Some Rumble Rants.

01:58:09.000 So this person says, Outside of people at work who do fly regularly, only a few in my life fly, and it's rare.

01:58:16.000 I think most normies are completely unaffected by this and the rest of the shutdown.

01:58:20.000 In fact, true.

01:58:21.000 That's a one-dimensional way of looking at it.

01:58:24.000 If the entire economy is affected by people being able to move throughout the country, you're affected by it in ways that you don't even realize it.

01:58:32.000 I mean, just because you're not personally flying doesn't mean that people have to get places.

01:58:38.000 Yeah, true.

01:58:39.000 It's a part of the economic engine.

01:58:41.000 We've got, no, I totally agree with you, and I'm shocked that our neocon, Reagan-loving, trickle-down econ advocate doesn't see that.

01:58:48.000 Oh, no, I'm going to be late on my flight to Barbados.

01:58:50.000 You're like, oh, no, to California.

01:58:52.000 The wealth's not going to trickle down, E-Lad.

01:58:53.000 I thought you were going to be able to do that.

01:58:55.000 All right.

01:58:56.000 So, Squirtle Pone says, about to take my wife to the hospital.

01:59:00.000 Oh, wow.

01:59:00.000 We think it's time we have our second baby girl, Goodnight IRL crew.

01:59:05.000 Thank you so much.

01:59:06.000 Congratulations.

01:59:07.000 God bless us.

01:59:08.000 It's awesome here.

01:59:08.000 We're hoping everything goes smoothly.

01:59:10.000 God bless you.

01:59:11.000 Good for you.

01:59:12.000 That's beautiful.

01:59:13.000 I love seeing that.

01:59:13.000 Three of those tonight.

01:59:15.000 Yeah.

01:59:15.000 It's a good white pill.

01:59:16.000 It's because the government opened back up and now people can have children again.

01:59:19.000 Make babies.

01:59:21.000 So this person, Gage Ramsey, says, America First Americans don't want to fund the rest of the world's wars, especially they spelled it Israel.

01:59:30.000 And our, is there, does that, the algorithm flag that word or something?

01:59:33.000 I wonder.

01:59:34.000 Yeah, I could see why.

01:59:35.000 Because maybe that's like a clever way of spelling it so the algorithm doesn't find it.

01:59:39.000 And we are pretty sick of their influence in our country.

01:59:42.000 And then they say the B is cooked.

01:59:46.000 Nice.

01:59:46.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:59:48.000 Nice.

01:59:51.000 Butanical Gardens, I think it is.

01:59:53.000 Is it Butanical?

01:59:54.000 It's Butanical Gardens.

01:59:56.000 Butane.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, good.

01:59:58.000 Bought seven acres four years ago in Arizona, $1,200 an acre, $20K all in for tiny house, $5K for solar, now $15K an acre.

02:00:08.000 Thanks, Callie.

02:00:09.000 $6K a month goes a long way on no bills.

02:00:12.000 Buy land and move off the grid.

02:00:14.000 What do you guys think of that?

02:00:16.000 I mean, look, if you have the ability to do it.

02:00:18.000 Yeah, I was going to say, it's not for everybody.

02:00:20.000 I mean, there's way more, way less people that can do that than fly commercial, I can tell you.

02:00:25.000 That's probably true.

02:00:27.000 Last time I went to Phoenix, the only thing that stuck with me is how many homeless people there were everywhere.

02:00:31.000 Yeah.

02:00:32.000 I was like, I thought they didn't exist like that outside of the cities.

02:00:34.000 No.

02:00:35.000 Maybe it has something to do with the Native Americans there, too, but it was just everywhere.

02:00:38.000 I think it has to do with the fact that it's hot all the time.

02:00:40.000 That's why people are homeless.

02:00:41.000 Guys, you aren't going to believe it.

02:00:43.000 Hold on.

02:00:44.000 Oh, no.

02:00:44.000 You keep going, but I've got a crazy, another crazy note.

02:00:46.000 Stop, pump it out.

02:00:47.000 Let's hear it.

02:00:47.000 It is a crazy day, guys.

02:00:49.000 We have from Swim Smart.

02:00:50.000 Another one?

02:00:51.000 As a tradition, watching Tim Cast while the wife delivers another Patriot.

02:00:56.000 Welcome, Arthur, to the fight and support our small business, Swim Smart.

02:01:00.000 Well, God bless you.

02:01:02.000 Great to see you.

02:01:02.000 Congratulations on the baby.

02:01:05.000 That's really exciting.

02:01:06.000 Well, listen, guys, it's been a great show.

02:01:08.000 We're going to go over our members-only segment as soon as we are done here for a spicy and interesting conversation.

02:01:14.000 I'm sure.

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02:07:09.000 Doing it live.

02:07:11.000 Dude, we're doing it live.

02:07:12.000 Are we live?

02:07:13.000 Yeah, we're live right now.

02:07:16.000 So you guys will notice, I kicked Elot out. 0.96

02:07:18.000 I said, I'm sick and tired of you.

02:07:19.000 I don't want to argue with you.

02:07:20.000 You called him anti-Semitic slurs, too.

02:07:22.000 It was hilarious.

02:07:23.000 Yeah, Elot, exactly.

02:07:24.000 Eliot called me anti-Semitic slurs, so I kicked him out.

02:07:26.000 I was like, that's unacceptable.

02:07:28.000 You can't speak to me that way.

02:07:29.000 It's offensive.

02:07:30.000 So he's not going to be in the after show, but everybody else is.

02:07:33.000 How are we all doing tonight?

02:07:35.000 I'm doing great.

02:07:35.000 Right.

02:07:36.000 Good.

02:07:37.000 So we were having some intense arguments before we went off air there, before super chats.

02:07:42.000 And I think it'll be unnecessary, dude.

02:07:44.000 Like, you went off on him, bro.

02:07:45.000 I know.

02:07:45.000 Well, listen, I feel as if it was the right decision for me at the time, and I stand by it, even though in retrospect, it might not seem as if it was the right thing.

02:07:54.000 There was a not the be article that I pulled up while we were on air, but didn't get a chance to get to about how trans-identified males are to be banned from women's events at the Olympics.

02:08:03.000 How do you like, so how do you feel about trans misogyny?

02:08:06.000 Trans misogyny. 0.96

02:08:08.000 Yeah, like this, this, this hatred of trans women, no matter how much they just try to live their lives, and these bigots just tell them, no, no, you can't beat up a 90-pound woman in the ring. 0.99

02:08:17.000 Like, how do you feel about that?

02:08:18.000 The kind of hatred.

02:08:20.000 I mean, this entire concept of trans-identifying males, I don't even like this whole trans-identifying males thing that we put in the headline.

02:08:26.000 It's just dudes.

02:08:28.000 Basically.

02:08:29.000 You're trying to tell me that's a guy right now.

02:08:31.000 I mean, that guy, there's like a progression with that guy.

02:08:35.000 People are online defending this guy that set the world record or whatever for whatever.

02:08:41.000 For the guy who said it for women? 0.96

02:08:42.000 Yeah.

02:08:43.000 For women.

02:08:43.000 Yeah, the guy used to record.

02:08:45.000 Until Zubi broke it, I think.

02:08:46.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:08:49.000 Like the progression.

02:08:50.000 And they're like, well, these people are born the way that they are.

02:08:52.000 And there's like pictures of him when he's like 25 years old.

02:08:55.000 And he's just a dude.

02:08:56.000 You know, it's like they aren't born that way.

02:08:59.000 And the fact that we even have this conversation is absolutely insane.

02:09:02.000 The funniest headline was the Daily Mail's headline.

02:09:06.000 Did we include it in the article or not?

02:09:07.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

02:09:08.000 The Daily Mail's headline.

02:09:10.000 If you go up.

02:09:10.000 Yeah, is it up there?

02:09:11.000 I don't know if it is or not.

02:09:13.000 I don't know if I actually saw it.

02:09:14.000 The Daily Mail's headline was the funniest one because it's like after they decided to make this decision after new evidence suggests that men have an advantage over women in sports. 0.99

02:09:25.000 Dude, I love seeing these studies that come out every couple months where it's like it turns psychologists discover cutting off your penis makes you sad. 0.99

02:09:32.000 Bro. 1.00

02:09:33.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:09:34.000 We own you guys, bro.

02:09:36.000 No one who didn't already know that can be reasoned with on this issue.

02:09:40.000 I can't.

02:09:41.000 This is an issue that I can't even believe that we live in a world where it's a topic.

02:09:45.000 Right?

02:09:45.000 I have, I really struggle with feeling like I'm getting trolled my whole life with this stuff.

02:09:50.000 What if it was just a joke the whole time?

02:09:52.000 They were screwing with us. 0.71

02:09:53.000 I mean, maybe it started that way. 0.53

02:09:55.000 And then it's like the emperor wears new clothes type of thing.

02:09:57.000 Man, that'd be one hell of a punch to the shoulder, right?

02:09:59.000 Yeah, you're like, ah, you got me. 0.93

02:10:01.000 All those kids you mutilated.

02:10:02.000 Oh, wow. 0.80

02:10:03.000 What a prank.

02:10:04.000 Like, sincerely, it is, like, it does really surprise me that we live in a world where there are people that not just entertain this, but for a time, really got upset at people who violently.

02:10:18.000 Yeah, but then they would literally try to argue.

02:10:21.000 And the science says that men don't have an advantage. 0.98

02:10:24.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:10:24.000 I get the stupidest thing. 1.00

02:10:26.000 I get the people that are quote unquote trans that think of themselves as trans. 1.00

02:10:31.000 I get the reaction that they have, right?

02:10:34.000 They're the ones that are living in a fantasy world.

02:10:38.000 So I understand an emotional reaction from them when you won't play along.

02:10:43.000 The thing that shocks me is when you get people that are not trans, that are just on the left, and they will get aggressive and they will have an emotional reaction when you say, yeah, he's just a guy.

02:10:56.000 They will get violent. 0.99

02:10:57.000 It's like, what the fuck is wrong with you, dude? 0.99

02:11:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:01.000 Like, again, even though I think they're crazy people, I understand when a crazy person gets reactive and emotional when you don't play along with their crazy worldview. 1.00

02:11:15.000 But when it's normal people, and it is normal people, it's most people on the left support transgender people because they have this toxic empathy where they're told that if they don't feel this specific way, then they're a bad person. 0.96

02:11:29.000 And I believe it.

02:11:30.000 Which is why, you know, I don't agree with everything that J.K. Rowling says, but I have agreed with almost everything that she said on this particular topic.

02:11:36.000 And I appreciate her a lot because she's actually willing to stand up for women in a true feminist way.

02:11:42.000 But feminism in the country, like you were referencing at the beginning, has become misogynistic in this weird way.

02:11:49.000 It's been flipped on its head.

02:11:51.000 I think J.K. Yeah.

02:11:54.000 Well, what?

02:11:54.000 She is.

02:11:55.000 Would you say?

02:11:56.000 Total turf.

02:11:58.000 Well, it's not a bad thing.

02:11:59.000 It's a good thing.

02:12:00.000 No, she's a turf. 1.00

02:12:02.000 Yeah.

02:12:02.000 I'm sorry.

02:12:03.000 I interrupted you.

02:12:04.000 It's okay. 0.65

02:12:05.000 But feminism is misogynistic in so many ways. 1.00

02:12:08.000 What it does is it idealizes masculine traits.

02:12:14.000 It says, well, men work this job, so women have to do this job because those jobs are the good jobs, right? 1.00

02:12:21.000 It doesn't look at femininity and it doesn't look at being a mother. 0.99

02:12:23.000 It doesn't look at any of these things as valuable.

02:12:25.000 So feminism is misogyny. 1.00

02:12:27.000 Unless men do them. 1.00

02:12:29.000 Super valuable if a man does, which is hilarious. 1.00

02:12:31.000 But the only people who are allowed to be feminine are men, basically.

02:12:35.000 But this, the real red pill is that this goes all the way back.

02:12:39.000 I mean, to early first wave feminism with the Seneca Falls Convention and like demanding that women be allowed to be priests. 0.53

02:12:45.000 They've been devaluing womanhood since day one because they just hate that God made them a specific sex and has a specific plan for their life based on that. 1.00

02:12:53.000 They don't just get to choose for themselves.

02:12:56.000 But why does it have to be that way?

02:12:58.000 Why can't they just be separate but equal?

02:13:00.000 Why can't they just be separate but equal?

02:13:02.000 Because people rebel against their purpose.

02:13:03.000 And it goes all the way back to the fall, right?

02:13:05.000 Eve usurping and Adam basically allowing her to.

02:13:09.000 They're not after equal.

02:13:11.000 They're after sameness.

02:13:14.000 They want to be the ones who are the authoritarians in control.

02:13:16.000 They want to be the ones who are able to use the power against you.

02:13:19.000 There's the argument that the issue is never the issue.

02:13:22.000 The issue is always the revolution, which is exactly what you're talking about.

02:13:25.000 But the argument that they make, they say we want to be equal.

02:13:30.000 And they think that equal is synonymous with sameness.

02:13:34.000 And it's not.

02:13:36.000 Equality does not mean the same.

02:13:39.000 You can be completely different, have a different role in society, be a completely different entity, and still be treated equally.

02:13:49.000 But their desire is for sameness.

02:13:51.000 And they're not, those two things are not synonymous.

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 And well, it's funny because when we're talking about the trans issue, we're saying, I can't believe that we're even having this conversation.

02:14:02.000 That's how anyone 60 years ago, 70 years ago, would have understand the conversation, would have understood the conversation surrounding feminism. 0.99

02:14:08.000 What do you mean men and women are the same?

02:14:10.000 How can we even entertain this? 0.99

02:14:11.000 This is ridiculous. 0.97

02:14:12.000 Well, we've just degraded further. 0.88

02:14:14.000 But the argument for sameness is new because they've always argued for equality.

02:14:19.000 Right.

02:14:20.000 So the equality argument has supplanted.

02:14:24.000 But the equality argument was easier to make because the equality argument is more subjective.

02:14:28.000 Yes.

02:14:29.000 This is objective.

02:14:32.000 This is where feminism and like insanity meets reality right here. 1.00

02:14:37.000 Yeah.

02:14:38.000 Is with men competing with women in sports and then somebody saying that there's no advantage that men have over women in sports.

02:14:44.000 Yeah.

02:14:45.000 That's where the insanity ensues.

02:14:47.000 I just, and also, this is probably where we disagree.

02:14:50.000 I think that they were always smuggling sameness in when they said equality.

02:14:54.000 I think obviously the sexes are equal in dignity and there's no argument that one sex is superior girl smell.

02:15:01.000 They're not allowed, whatever.

02:15:02.000 The argument is that men and women are different, even though they are equal.

02:15:07.000 And I think a lot of people started using the term equality to smuggle in this idea that they're even all even really early on.

02:15:14.000 Like I was mentioning in the Seneca Falls Convention, a lot of that stuff was women need to be able to be priests. 0.94

02:15:18.000 And basically women need to be able to fill the same roles that men fill. 1.00

02:15:24.000 Yes.

02:15:25.000 And I think that that was only a select few.

02:15:30.000 So the way that the you know who James Lindsay is, right?

02:15:33.000 And you're at least.

02:15:35.000 I'm familiar with it.

02:15:36.000 Okay, so you're familiar with his arguments.

02:15:38.000 One of the arguments that he makes is on the left, there are people that are the idea makers, right?

02:15:44.000 The people that write the crazy feminist literature and the leftist literature, the leftist philosophers, right?

02:15:52.000 The actual thinkers.

02:15:54.000 And then there's a second kind of ring, and they're the people that are the scholars.

02:15:58.000 They're the people that will pass that knowledge down.

02:16:01.000 And then there's another ring outside of that, which is just the general kind of population, which is this is where Tim talks about like the woke.

02:16:10.000 He says that it's the, he calls it the cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy.

02:16:15.000 What he's saying is the all the totality of your average person that isn't a philosopher, isn't an academic, isn't someone that's really coming up with these ideas.

02:16:27.000 He's talking, when he says woke, he's talking about the general population.

02:16:31.000 And so I think that for a long time, there were people that the argument that you're making, you were correct, but that was only the top tier.

02:16:39.000 Oh, no, disagreement.

02:16:40.000 Yeah, I think it's the, I think the leaders of the movement were always pushing for that.

02:16:43.000 And they know if they could get people to accept the broader arguments at a basic level, it would be easier to lead them in that direction.

02:16:49.000 Yes, I agree.

02:16:50.000 100%.

02:16:51.000 I don't think the early, like the normie early adopters were on the same page.

02:16:58.000 But all right, Elod, you're back after Elod cussed me out and said those horrible things to me and stormed out and threw a book at me, threw a brick at me.

02:17:04.000 Don't make me get the potatoes.

02:17:09.000 There's something you wanted to ask me.

02:17:10.000 Why don't you ask me before we go to callers?

02:17:12.000 So we were talking about kids and families a bit earlier, and I wanted to follow up on something me and Phil were talking about in the pre-show.

02:17:20.000 And that's, do you notice when parents, they either choose to or choose not to post the pictures of their children online?

02:17:26.000 And sometimes they put an emoji face over their children's face because they don't want it to get out to the public.

02:17:31.000 What's your take?

02:17:32.000 Yeah, like if I'm an influential person, if I had or if I had or would have children, I think the internet would not even know and would never mention it.

02:17:40.000 Yeah.

02:17:40.000 I think that you wouldn't confirm nor deny.

02:17:43.000 No, there's too many, there's too many crazy people out there, man. 0.99

02:17:46.000 There's too many crazy people out there. 0.89

02:17:49.000 I'm also, I think, a more private person than most, which is ironic considering what I do.

02:17:54.000 Yeah.

02:17:55.000 Well, I took a picture of him one time.

02:17:57.000 I was like, no, yeah, we were like somewhere.

02:17:58.000 I was like, I don't.

02:17:59.000 Don't put it on the internet, brother.

02:18:00.000 I'm like, bro.

02:18:01.000 It wasn't.

02:18:01.000 I yelled at him.

02:18:02.000 I grabbed his phone and I threw a brick at him.

02:18:05.000 But no, I just don't.

02:18:07.000 I also, there's one difficult thing with doing this.

02:18:10.000 Whenever you're with a group of people and people have their phones out and they're recording stuff, it's like, man, I don't always want to have to be like aware of the presence of a camera.

02:18:17.000 But with respect to respect to Children and everything, yeah, I would be um very apprehensive because some people, then there's some people who like will post you know footage of their kids all over the internet.

02:18:33.000 And I think normies with a regular social media account who like aren't trying to be influencers or anything are less aware of it because there's less crazy people in their life, but there's still the danger for them.

02:18:43.000 So I just advise people, like, I wouldn't put anything involving children online.

02:18:48.000 I think a lot and I were talking about this earlier.

02:18:50.000 Like, because of the fact that I was you know a public figure before I started doing political commentary and stuff because of the band and stuff, like it was always a thing for me.

02:18:58.000 I was like, if I ever have kids, there's not going to be pictures of them on the internet.

02:19:03.000 I never put up pictures of my nephews on the internet.

02:19:06.000 Like, they were, you know, I've got two nephews who are both late teens now, or one of them's adults actually.

02:19:13.000 But, but yeah, I never put up pictures of them just because I didn't want you know, Uncle Phil being the public figure, the guy in the band, to in any way negatively affect them.

02:19:24.000 How old were you when you became famous?

02:19:27.000 Um, we, I was actually kind of old, like we really kind of hit, and I was third, like 31 is when the record, the record that put us on the map came out when I was 31.

02:19:37.000 So, like, it was 31, 32, 33 when I was like really get hitting my stride.

02:19:43.000 Whereas a lot of times, people that are in bands, they like they'll hit at like 19, 20, 21, 20, in early 20s, or something like that.

02:19:51.000 Most of the guys that are in or that were in all the remains at the time, like most of them were younger and they were like, you know, 25 or something like that.

02:19:58.000 So, um, but yeah, so let's let's go to some callers because I want people to be able to get their opinion in.

02:20:03.000 Yeah, totally.

02:20:05.000 Um, let's see here.

02:20:09.000 Uh, I'm gonna ask, uh, let me go to this channel here.

02:20:12.000 I'm gonna ask Quani, have you eaten yet, Quani? 1.00

02:20:14.000 Quani 23.

02:20:15.000 I think I recognize this person, Quani.

02:20:19.000 What up?

02:20:20.000 Hey, can you hear me?

02:20:21.000 Yes.

02:20:22.000 Yeah.

02:20:22.000 Have you eaten yet, bro?

02:20:23.000 Yes.

02:20:24.000 So have I eaten it?

02:20:26.000 Yes.

02:20:27.000 My breakfast, yes.

02:20:29.000 Nice, cool.

02:20:31.000 So as a quality person, my favorite IRL guest host is posting today.

02:20:37.000 And I'm really sincerely Seamus.

02:20:39.000 And I used to explore all these ungrateful team pass super chatters who have been telling things about the spoon stuff.

02:20:48.000 So Seamus, I got your back on this, right?

02:20:50.000 Yeah, thank you.

02:20:51.000 Yeah, no, I didn't do anything with the spoons, and you know me, and you know, I wouldn't do that.

02:20:54.000 Yeah, for all the good, for all the good that you have done for Tim Class, I think you deserve every single spoon that you have taken.

02:21:01.000 Every single one of them.

02:21:03.000 Which is crazy.

02:21:03.000 I've never taken one and I never would.

02:21:06.000 And that's in you know me, and you know I would never do that.

02:21:10.000 Okay, but on a more serious note actually, I'm asking about in particular about your faith or Catholicism.

02:21:17.000 With regards to the Pope, I'm a Protestant and looks from an outsider looking is it does seem like the current Pope isn't going to use much, but rather it's going to be very similar to the progressive rhetoric that some of the previous shows were supporting.

02:21:32.000 So a hypothetical situation for you, if possible, if there is something that the Pope says in the future, then maybe something that you are very much against.

02:21:44.000 Let's say, for example, if he starts to support homosexual marriages, how would you, as a Catholic, without Catholic, respond to it? 0.89

02:21:53.000 Would you say, for example, say that because he's a Pope and he said this, you have to agree with him?

02:21:59.000 Would you be rather that even though he's a Pope, you would disagree with him or stay within the faith?

02:22:04.000 Or would you say that because it's something that you disagree with and then you have to leave the faith?

02:22:10.000 So let me just repeat your question to make sure I'm understanding it properly.

02:22:14.000 You're asking the question, if a pope were to come along and state something ex catharja that contradicted previous Catholic teaching, would a Catholic have to accept it?

02:22:26.000 Okay.

02:22:27.000 Is that an accurate summary of your question?

02:22:29.000 Speak for yourself as a devout Catholic.

02:22:31.000 Yeah, specifically.

02:22:32.000 So, well, this is the good news.

02:22:34.000 As Catholics, we believe that the Holy Spirit guides the church.

02:22:37.000 Christ said that the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

02:22:40.000 No papal, no infallible statement has ever contradicted a past infallible statement, and in fact, they can't.

02:22:47.000 So the Pope can issue theological opinions or speak on things in ways which conflict with or don't agree with what previous popes have said.

02:22:54.000 But when they issue an ex cathargist statement, which actually defines magisterial teaching, which is very rare, they don't often do this.

02:23:02.000 In that case, they actually, they literally cannot contradict a previous statement.

02:23:08.000 So when it comes to something like homosexual marriage, it wouldn't be possible for a Pope to come out and say two men are capable of being married for a few reasons.

02:23:15.000 A, the one I listed, which is that they can't contradict prior teaching, but B, because that's not a matter for church determination.

02:23:21.000 That's a matter of natural law, which is to say marriage pre-exists the church.

02:23:27.000 Marriage existed before the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church has no power to redefine it.

02:23:32.000 This is why a lot of people are confused about the issue because they'll say, how can you as a Catholic decide that your religion gets to determine what marriage is?

02:23:39.000 But the irony is the reason the church understands marriages between a man and a woman is because we can't redefine marriage.

02:23:46.000 It's always meant what it's meant.

02:23:48.000 So hopefully that answers your question.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - November 11, 2025

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