Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 31, 2026


Iran Suspected Of ATTACK ON US | Timcast IRL


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00:01:03.000 The United States is investigating several cyber attacks in the U.S., notably in Minnesota.
00:01:09.000 Water systems were hit by cyber attacks.
00:01:12.000 The question is who's responsible?
00:01:14.000 And it is believed it may be Iran.
00:01:15.000 Now, Trump has come out and said, no, not Iran.
00:01:18.000 It's the corrupt Tim Waltz.
00:01:19.000 That's who's responsible.
00:01:20.000 So we don't know for sure.
00:01:21.000 There are many conservatives saying it could be a false flag to try and muster up support for a war with Iran, but we don't know.
00:01:27.000 We will break this down.
00:01:29.000 We also have major updates on what is going on in Ceuta, Spain, as we saw some 50,000 to 60,000.
00:01:36.000 African migrants storm into this enclave.
00:01:41.000 It is getting absolutely insane.
00:01:42.000 The military is being deployed or threatening to deport everybody.
00:01:45.000 They're coming by water, which is interesting, which lends to the idea that this is about a court precedent that migrants that arrive by sea can't be immediately turned away.
00:01:56.000 But many, of course, are saying this is an invasion.
00:01:59.000 How else would you describe 50,000 to 60,000 people?
00:02:01.000 Now, some 30 are already dead as they just storm into this portion of Spain.
00:02:07.000 We'll talk about that and a whole lot more before we do.
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00:02:43.000 We have a couple of guests joining us today to talk about this and so much more.
00:02:47.000 We've got two individuals with prominent, with particular expertise in media bias.
00:02:47.000 And it's actually fascinating.
00:02:52.000 Would you like to go first, sir?
00:02:53.000 David Bozell, president of the Media Research Center, largest media watchdog operation in the country, also president of For America, doing everything we can to get the Save America Act passed.
00:03:04.000 Hoping to have a good 2026 midterm cycle.
00:03:06.000 So appreciate the opportunity.
00:03:07.000 Absolutely.
00:03:08.000 And then another expert on media bias.
00:03:09.000 Yeah, Julie Mastrini, Director of Communications at All Sides and Director of Bias Ratings.
00:03:15.000 We provide balanced news and bias ratings for over 2,000 media outlets.
00:03:19.000 Interesting.
00:03:20.000 And we've already been just going at it on media bias, manipulations, what these stories mean, what words mean.
00:03:25.000 It's going to be very, very fascinating.
00:03:27.000 I could probably talk about it for 27 years, but the boys are here as well.
00:03:30.000 I'm about to bias the media, so get ready.
00:03:32.000 I don't know what that means.
00:03:33.000 Lay my weight all over the camera.
00:03:35.000 Get ready to change your opinion because of what I said.
00:03:38.000 I'm down.
00:03:39.000 Yeah, it's going to be, they're going to change their opinion to the opposite.
00:03:42.000 How can you not be biased in media?
00:03:44.000 I mean, it's a deep question, but maybe we'll introduce ourselves before.
00:03:47.000 Hi, Phil.
00:03:48.000 How are you doing?
00:03:49.000 Just waiting for me to splurge out.
00:03:50.000 Wait for me to stop.
00:03:51.000 I have no idea what that means.
00:03:53.000 I sing for all that remains.
00:03:53.000 I'm Phil.
00:03:54.000 What's up, Carter?
00:03:55.000 Hi, I'm Carter.
00:03:56.000 I saw a guy like, did you get my tag on X?
00:03:59.000 There's this dude doing like a water rain control thing.
00:04:03.000 I did.
00:04:04.000 Nice.
00:04:04.000 What'd you get?
00:04:05.000 Uh huh.
00:04:06.000 Anyway.
00:04:07.000 Uh huh.
00:04:07.000 Talking about moving clouds around.
00:04:09.000 Uh huh.
00:04:10.000 I'd rather talk about media bias.
00:04:11.000 Because I worked with Mines, so you probably know you're going to introduce a story, but I was an admin with Mines social media deciding who gets to be promoted on the front page and who doesn't.
00:04:19.000 Oh, no.
00:04:20.000 No politics.
00:04:22.000 Hard rule for me was I had to decide off the pre.
00:04:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:25.000 What you were saying is no politics.
00:04:28.000 You can't have politics, but of course, being anti Trump isn't political.
00:04:31.000 So that was always a good point.
00:04:32.000 If there was the politics I agreed with, I wanted up, but I was like, I can't.
00:04:34.000 No politics was my argument.
00:04:36.000 I would destroy good politics.
00:04:37.000 I'm like, what am I doing?
00:04:38.000 We'll get into that, but we'll start here with the terrifying news from CBS.
00:04:43.000 U.S. investigating if Iran was behind cyber attack on water systems in seven states, including Minnesota.
00:04:49.000 They report malicious cyber activity affected technology and water systems in at least seven states this week, including Minnesota, forcing some utilities to switch to manual operations as state and federal authorities dig into who is behind this attack.
00:05:01.000 CBS News has learned.
00:05:02.000 Investigators are probing to determine whether the activity is the work of Iranian hackers, according to U.S. officials and sources familiar with the incident.
00:05:09.000 Sources caution that since they had not definitively attributed the attack, their assessment could change as additional technical evidence is collected.
00:05:15.000 They are also probing whether the actor could have attempted to appear Iran based as a way of stirring the pot amid the ongoing U.S. conflict with Iran.
00:05:24.000 The FBI reported incidents in at least seven states but didn't identify them.
00:05:28.000 Trump has come out and said no to blaming Iran.
00:05:32.000 He is instead blaming the Minnesota cyber attack.
00:05:35.000 On Tim Waltz, President Trump dismissed speculation that Iran was behind a cyber attack targeting dozens of water systems in Minnesota, blaming instead the state's quote, corrupt governor Tim Waltz.
00:05:46.000 I just want to mention that we heard in Minnesota there was a cyber attack and they blame it on Iran.
00:05:51.000 I don't think so.
00:05:52.000 I think I blame it on Minnesota because they're grossly incompetent.
00:05:56.000 There was a cyber attack of 30 water plants and I would blame it on Minnesota and the governor, the corrupt governor of Minnesota.
00:06:02.000 They like to say, oh, is Iran.
00:06:05.000 Iran should be so lucky.
00:06:07.000 Iran's got bigger problems than worrying about Minnesota, which is a weird way to phrase it.
00:06:12.000 I got to be honest, because he's not saying it wasn't a cyber attack.
00:06:16.000 He's not necessarily saying it was in Iran.
00:06:18.000 He was saying it's the fault of Minnesota for being corrupt and not.
00:06:23.000 It's like blaming the hot girl for getting raped because she was wearing an outfit.
00:06:26.000 I don't like it, the victim blaming stuff.
00:06:28.000 Well, regardless of that, right, the point is he's saying Minnesota was cyber attacked.
00:06:35.000 Iran's got other things to worry about.
00:06:37.000 But it's the fault of the governor, the government for not protecting against it.
00:06:41.000 Most commanders during a war would be like, maybe it was the bad guy.
00:06:46.000 Like he's saying straight up, I don't think it was our enemy.
00:06:48.000 But there are six other states.
00:06:50.000 I mean, is Wallace responsible for all of them?
00:06:54.000 You know what?
00:06:54.000 I'll tell you what's happening.
00:06:56.000 See, this is where Trump and Ian are very similar.
00:06:59.000 You know, oftentimes during the show, we'll all be having a conversation about something deeply esoteric, but very important.
00:07:05.000 Ian, in his mind, is imagining like graphene oxide being.
00:07:09.000 Taken and brought into like frameworks of industrial, you know, stresses.
00:07:15.000 And then it just blurts out randomly, graphene.
00:07:17.000 And they're built.
00:07:18.000 And then we're just like, what are you talking about?
00:07:20.000 Like it's something unrelated we're talking about.
00:07:22.000 So Trump is sitting there in his mind, imagining Tim Waltz like as a turtle banging on his chest playing, you know, Old McDonald's.
00:07:30.000 And then someone asks him about the Iranian hackers.
00:07:32.000 And then in his mind, he has nothing to say about Iranian hackers because he was just thinking about Tim Waltz as a turtle.
00:07:38.000 And so he just goes, oh, the hackers, I think it's Tim Waltz.
00:07:41.000 And you're just like, Are you just saying that because you weren't paying attention to what we were talking about?
00:07:48.000 Ian is shocked because that's describing me perfectly.
00:07:50.000 It could be, yeah, I think about what's related to what you're talking about rather than what you're saying, usually.
00:07:55.000 Four topics.
00:07:56.000 Which is my point.
00:07:57.000 Which is how my brain works, dude.
00:07:59.000 Analogies and.
00:08:01.000 But all being said, I mean that seriously that Trump is sitting there and he's thinking about Tim Waltz and the Democrats.
00:08:07.000 Someone asks him a question about Iranian hackers and he's just like, yeah, oh, I don't know.
00:08:12.000 But Tim Waltz is corrupt.
00:08:13.000 Even if it were Iran, he.
00:08:15.000 The president of the United States is not going to credit that, credit them publicly.
00:08:18.000 Yeah, I mean, if Trump came out and said, yeah, Iran did it, he'd have to fight the war.
00:08:23.000 We might have to drop some bombs on him, right?
00:08:25.000 In the past, you would always want to make the other country look like the villain, like, oh, we think it might be Iranian hackers.
00:08:32.000 There was an Iranian attempt on Trump's life.
00:08:34.000 Oh, is there, because you want the public to be like, oh, they're the bad guys.
00:08:37.000 Then the war is okay.
00:08:38.000 I'm surprised he didn't do that.
00:08:39.000 Yeah.
00:08:40.000 Yeah.
00:08:40.000 I mean, he must really, either he knows they didn't do it or he is really weird.
00:08:48.000 I do kind of feel like people have kind of settled into whether or not they look at Iran as an enemy or not, right?
00:08:54.000 Like, there's not a lot of people that have a lot of wiggle room anymore.
00:08:58.000 If you're against the Iran war, you're generally like, oh, we could be allies with Iran if it wasn't for our meddling in the Middle East or what have you.
00:09:05.000 And then generally, I think more people than not think, yeah, Iran is at the very least hostile, whether they're a direct threat to the United States or not.
00:09:17.000 That could be debated.
00:09:18.000 But most Americans are like, yeah, Iran's hostile.
00:09:21.000 You look at the Beirut bombing, you look at most people know that Iran is funding terrorism in a bunch of different places in the world.
00:09:29.000 You look at all the people that went to the Jiwa in Iraq that were, you know, dealing with roadside bombs that were, you know, that the militias were taught how to build those things by Iran.
00:09:40.000 Most people kind of settled in, guys, what they think.
00:09:43.000 I think it's AI, man.
00:09:44.000 Well, I had to pick.
00:09:45.000 I think that rogue AI is out there doing stuff right now.
00:09:47.000 I don't know, but I mean, I saw Wisconsin was listed, but I don't know where the other states were.
00:09:52.000 I'm curious, Julie, because of your work, do you read often left, right, and center on all of these big news stories?
00:10:00.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:10:01.000 So you have a balanced view on it?
00:10:02.000 Yeah, I have to because whenever I'm analyzing media bias, I have to compare and contrast what details were included by the left versus the right.
00:10:10.000 And honestly, sometimes you don't get the full picture until you're saying you're trying to find the other states.
00:10:15.000 Is it in this CBS article?
00:10:17.000 So I'm curious, Phil mentioned Iran is engaging in acts of terror.
00:10:19.000 And just putting on your journalism hat from all the stuff you've read, from the neutral journalistic perspective, is that an accurate assessment?
00:10:27.000 Iran is doing these things.
00:10:28.000 They are funding terrorism, they are attacking allies and other targets.
00:10:33.000 I mean, this is the thing we talk a lot about whenever you're talking about international conflict.
00:10:36.000 And how to report on that.
00:10:38.000 And it's like, again, like what source of authority are you going to go with what the US government is saying?
00:10:42.000 Are you going to go with what the foreign government is saying?
00:10:45.000 Yeah.
00:10:46.000 And so it's like there's not really an easy answer because there are cases, and we've written about this before, like there are cases where your government's lying or the other government's lying.
00:10:55.000 And really, what we do is we try to provide context around like what the source of the information is so that you're very clear about who's saying what and what their interests might be.
00:11:05.000 So there are ways to do this, right?
00:11:07.000 But like, you know, American news media, like, I mean, I don't know.
00:11:13.000 They're not always super clear about the interests of the different sources that they're getting the information from.
00:11:19.000 The reason why I asked, just because of what you said, is that there are conservatives saying this is a false flag, right?
00:11:24.000 So maybe something happened, but the argument is blame Iran to create a justification for the war.
00:11:30.000 And so, I mean, maybe it's a false flag, but maybe that Iran.
00:11:35.000 Look, I got to be honest.
00:11:36.000 If you came to me and said Iran launched cyber attacks against U.S. critical infrastructure in response to the war that's going on in Iran, I'd say, yes, I predicted that.
00:11:45.000 Four years ago, we've been talking about on the show that Iran would engage in cyber attacks as their only means of striking at the United States.
00:11:52.000 So it's plausible outright.
00:11:55.000 It's also plausible that the U.S. would blame Iran to justify an ongoing war.
00:12:01.000 I mean, so how are you supposed to actually figure out what's going on, who's telling the truth, and whether or not they're just trying to trick us into a war or whether we're being attacked?
00:12:09.000 If there was a lab leak and the AI got out inadvertently, I don't think that they would tell us that because they don't want to scare us about AI.
00:12:17.000 We really have, there's been a Bunch of stories about it happening.
00:12:20.000 Like Anthropic just was talking about it yesterday how four different AI models got out of the sandbox of their frontier models.
00:12:28.000 The companies, remember, most of the AI that you hear people talking about, they are privately made, and these companies have an interest in making people aware of how capable their AI are.
00:12:40.000 There are people even saying that the AI companies will overstate how capable their frontier models are in hopes that it will attract people to use their AI model because.
00:12:50.000 If their frontier model is basically Ultron and the one that's available to the public, well, the one that's available to the public, surely that's going to be able to help my plumbing business organize itself, you know?
00:13:01.000 So they don't hide that stuff.
00:13:03.000 No, the company's not.
00:13:04.000 Ian, what you're saying is the AI is attacking us and blaming Iran.
00:13:09.000 I don't know.
00:13:09.000 Nobody blamed Iran.
00:13:10.000 No, no, it's weird.
00:13:11.000 Well, you just have to presume, you said plausible, I would say probable, that Iran has tried to launch a cyber attack against us.
00:13:20.000 You just constantly have to assume it.
00:13:22.000 Daily, I would think.
00:13:23.000 So that's.
00:13:24.000 That's not news, I would not think, on a Friday.
00:13:29.000 On a Friday.
00:13:30.000 What is, is the water, just looking at the board here, the water, the multiple states, and why Minnesota is getting singled out is kind of weird.
00:13:43.000 Well, actually, you make a really interesting point that I want to kind of shift into.
00:13:43.000 Yeah.
00:13:47.000 You mentioned on a Friday.
00:13:48.000 What do you mean by on a Friday?
00:13:50.000 Well, that would be a major.
00:13:55.000 Development if they were able to successfully launch a cyber attack on major American infrastructure.
00:14:04.000 And I'm just kind of surprised that if they had the report, they waited until getting in front of the president at the cabinet meeting to get his comment, which he launched, which he said made the Walls comment, which got Minnesota inserted into the headline.
00:14:19.000 Just what is the significance for you guys that work in media, for those that don't know, what is the significance of?
00:14:25.000 Having information earlier in the week and waiting till Friday.
00:14:27.000 Well, it's usually where you want news to go die.
00:14:30.000 Yep.
00:14:31.000 They don't want people to hear this story.
00:14:33.000 So, if you had to put on a conspiracy hat, you maybe assume that we confirmed it.
00:14:41.000 And we confirmed it with the stipulation that it doesn't get launched, it doesn't get released until Friday.
00:14:41.000 Yeah.
00:14:48.000 Dude, this all sounds fishy.
00:14:49.000 He said it's not Iran.
00:14:50.000 He doesn't think it's Iran.
00:14:51.000 He didn't say it's not Iran.
00:14:52.000 He said, I don't think it's Iran.
00:14:53.000 He said, I blame, no, I blame Tim Waltz.
00:14:56.000 Which is so weird.
00:14:57.000 And then he said, Iran has other things to worry about.
00:14:59.000 He says, Let's clarify.
00:15:01.000 He's blaming the corrupt governor.
00:15:03.000 We heard the cyber attack.
00:15:04.000 They blame it on Iran.
00:15:05.000 I don't think so.
00:15:06.000 Okay, fair point.
00:15:07.000 I think I blame it on.
00:15:08.000 No, no, no, no.
00:15:09.000 Okay, hold on, no.
00:15:10.000 I blame it on Minnesota because they're grossly incompetent.
00:15:12.000 There was a cyber attack of 30 water plants.
00:15:14.000 He is confirming there's a cyber attack.
00:15:15.000 He's saying it's the fault of Minnesota for not being more secure.
00:15:19.000 Like you said, there's seven states involved Minnesota and Wisconsin.
00:15:22.000 It sounds like Great Lakes.
00:15:23.000 Maybe they're going after the water supplies of the Great Lakes states.
00:15:25.000 They said the other five states haven't been disclosed yet.
00:15:28.000 But it sounds like Trump is covering up something by blaming Waltz.
00:15:28.000 Oh, okay.
00:15:32.000 That's actually a good point.
00:15:33.000 This is a really good point.
00:15:33.000 No, wait, wait.
00:15:34.000 Let's dissect the media here.
00:15:35.000 They put on a Friday where news goes to die.
00:15:37.000 Trump shifts and makes it a partisan attack because partisan attacks will get more play in the media.
00:15:41.000 And like the state of Wisconsin has nothing to do with Tim Waltz.
00:15:43.000 So I don't know why he'd be.
00:15:44.000 Exactly.
00:15:44.000 Because no, because the headline now is Trump attacks Tim Waltz instead of Iran attacks water systems.
00:15:52.000 All the while kind of triple confirming that Iran has done this or at least attempted to do this.
00:15:58.000 And all the while you have to assume that they've been attempting to do this for years, even before the conflict.
00:16:03.000 They absolutely have.
00:16:04.000 Our industrial control systems aren't.
00:16:06.000 I mean, what is the definition of success, right?
00:16:08.000 I mean, I still don't know what.
00:16:10.000 I mean, okay, so we just turned one switch off and we went to manual.
00:16:14.000 Okay.
00:16:15.000 I do that with stuff at my house all the time.
00:16:18.000 If something, I got to reboot my stuff.
00:16:20.000 That seems like all it required.
00:16:22.000 We just rebooted our switch.
00:16:25.000 Okay.
00:16:26.000 I don't know if that is the definition of a successful cyber attack.
00:16:30.000 If there were significant impacts, you'd probably be hearing more of it actually out of Minnesota, like if people didn't have water.
00:16:35.000 Right.
00:16:36.000 Right, which we haven't heard.
00:16:36.000 You know?
00:16:39.000 Well, unless they're just not going to tell you.
00:16:41.000 I mean, it makes, to be honest with you, it makes sense that, and when I say makes sense, I mean it fits Trump's general pattern that he would blame his political opponents because he uses things that are functional constantly.
00:16:53.000 Let me ask you guys Did y'all know that like about two weeks ago, I think it was, or it might have been a little bit more, that a guard working at an ICE facility shot a protester in the foot?
00:17:02.000 No.
00:17:03.000 See, now that sounds like a big story, right?
00:17:05.000 Yeah.
00:17:06.000 It was a security guy, it was a private contractor, worked at an ICE facility, and these women were, there were protesters obstructing the vehicles coming and going.
00:17:12.000 Guy gets out of his car, draws his gun, and shoots her in the foot.
00:17:15.000 A protester.
00:17:16.000 A protester.
00:17:17.000 Yeah, like zero justification.
00:17:19.000 He's been criminally charged with attempted murder, I think.
00:17:21.000 Now, I didn't find out about that story until like four days after it happened.
00:17:25.000 And then I asked the crew, I was like, how did we miss this story?
00:17:28.000 A guard at an ice facility pulled out his gun and shot a protester, like unwarranted?
00:17:32.000 That's crazy.
00:17:32.000 We did talk about it, yeah.
00:17:33.000 Yeah, we talked about it on one of the.
00:17:34.000 No, no, no, I know.
00:17:35.000 We talked about it like a week after it happened.
00:17:36.000 Yeah.
00:17:37.000 And so my point is.
00:17:37.000 He was already back protesting when we talked about it.
00:17:39.000 Right, with a cast on.
00:17:40.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:17:42.000 So, but ultimately, my point is if there were people without water right now because of this attack, That's possible, we just don't know.
00:17:49.000 I mean, in the age of social media, we wouldn't know.
00:17:51.000 You don't think?
00:17:52.000 An ice guard shot a woman and we didn't hear about it for a week.
00:17:55.000 I mean, it's possible, but I feel like there'd be a boatload of TikToks blaming someone.
00:17:59.000 There'd be a boatload of Instagram reels.
00:18:01.000 The algorithm doesn't allow it to surface.
00:18:05.000 The left is still talking about water issues in Michigan.
00:18:07.000 I mean, remember the.
00:18:09.000 Oh, yeah, I think that story was completely fake, by the way.
00:18:11.000 I think that story was completely fake, and I'll tell you why.
00:18:14.000 So when the Flint stuff happened, I was working at Fusion, and I said, I got a great idea.
00:18:20.000 Let's go collect water samples from Flint, from businesses, private homes, and from the river itself, run them through a mass spectrometer to see what's actually in it.
00:18:29.000 And nothing.
00:18:30.000 It was all fine.
00:18:32.000 And we couldn't reconcile that, so we didn't publish the story.
00:18:35.000 So let's talk about media bias.
00:18:37.000 So we come back, I get a sample from two private residences, a business, and two samples from the river.
00:18:45.000 So it's actually, each sample is two vials.
00:18:48.000 So I get two vials from the river at one point.
00:18:51.000 Walked down a mile to a different point in the river and get two more samples and mark where I got the samples.
00:18:56.000 Went to a private business, got two vials full.
00:18:58.000 Went to a home, got two vials.
00:19:00.000 To another home, got two more vials.
00:19:01.000 Then I went to my house in Miami and filled up two vials as a control.
00:19:06.000 And then we went to New York and we ran all the water through a mass spectrometer.
00:19:10.000 And the Flint water was nothing of consequence.
00:19:13.000 From the private residence of the business to the water itself in the river, all was relatively similar.
00:19:18.000 The water that came from the homes was a little bit different because it got treated.
00:19:21.000 And they found no significant heavy metals or anything.
00:19:24.000 And so, The water from my house had heavy uranium deposits in it.
00:19:30.000 And that was because of fertilizers.
00:19:32.000 So we were in the Redlands in Miami.
00:19:35.000 So I go back and we have the report like we're preparing and we go to the bosses and we're like, do we come out with a report and claim we ran multiple samples through a mass spectrometer and it debunked the official narrative that the Flint water was tainted with heavy metals?
00:19:50.000 And we decided we're not going to run the story because we don't understand how we're wrong.
00:19:57.000 That is, we did these tests.
00:20:00.000 It's counter to every narrative from every mainstream news outlet.
00:20:05.000 Can we publish this?
00:20:06.000 And the consensus was we're probably wrong, so let's just bury it.
00:20:10.000 Were the other news outlets doing independent testing?
00:20:12.000 They weren't.
00:20:13.000 Where were they getting their information from?
00:20:15.000 Pictures of bottles that were foggy or dirty and people getting sick, and then experts saying it.
00:20:21.000 And our concern was we must have done something wrong, and we're going to look like idiots if we come out and say that we did something wrong, and they're just going to say we did something wrong, so let's just do nothing.
00:20:28.000 Now I look back and I'm like, oh, they were probably just lying.
00:20:32.000 Well, they wouldn't have picked you up anyway, even if he had run.
00:20:35.000 No, no, this is ABC News.
00:20:36.000 Oh, it was?
00:20:37.000 Yeah.
00:20:37.000 Well, I mean.
00:20:39.000 Yeah, this was Fusion, ABC Univision joint venture.
00:20:42.000 So I was doing this report out of the ABC building.
00:20:45.000 Yeah.
00:20:45.000 Oh, wow.
00:20:46.000 And we were just like, what do we do?
00:20:48.000 And they were like, I don't think we can run a story that says everyone's wrong.
00:20:52.000 So what was the broader, I'm trying to think back like what the broader political context was of that story at that time?
00:20:57.000 Poor black people in Michigan were getting dirty water.
00:21:00.000 So, yeah.
00:21:00.000 Right.
00:21:01.000 And the pipes had lead in them and things like this.
00:21:05.000 And people told me the issue could be that the private resident samples you got are just anomalies.
00:21:11.000 And we don't want to publish anomalies.
00:21:12.000 Which year was that?
00:21:13.000 I mean, that was the hot topic in 2012, like the 2012 part?
00:21:16.000 2014, I believe.
00:21:17.000 No, actually, it might have been winter of 2014.
00:21:17.000 Okay.
00:21:21.000 All right.
00:21:22.000 I was like climbing down into the river and ice and snow to get the samples to.
00:21:26.000 No kidding.
00:21:27.000 Yeah, and it was really funny when they were like, you have too much uranium in your home water, stop drinking it.
00:21:32.000 Like, you're on farmland and they've got heavy fertilizers down there and it's getting into your groundwater.
00:21:35.000 And we were like, oh my God, let's not drink that.
00:21:39.000 Well, maybe the Iranians did us a favor, clear all that up.
00:21:43.000 Well, I got farmland in Minnesota too.
00:21:44.000 Anyway, just as an aside, I just think everyone's lying these days.
00:21:48.000 I just mean, like, what would have been, like, if you're, like, left wing media outlets really pushing that Flint story, like, are you just trying to tie it to, like, inequality?
00:21:55.000 Like, what's the broad.
00:21:56.000 It was all about inequality.
00:21:56.000 Well, yeah, of course.
00:21:57.000 Inequality, yeah.
00:21:58.000 So that's the thing.
00:22:00.000 Like, the media always runs with and pushes stories that are, like, really going to, you know, suit their agenda.
00:22:06.000 So if it, yeah, I mean, it could be the case it wasn't, like, super well, man, we.
00:22:11.000 I'll give you another example.
00:22:13.000 Like, do you remember the whole, like, stop Asian hate?
00:22:16.000 Their hate crimes against Asians, like that kind of story that was big.
00:22:18.000 I think it was.
00:22:19.000 So they found out who was committing the crimes?
00:22:20.000 Well, no, I think it was just there were a couple of things.
00:22:23.000 It was like this was like the Justice Smollett era, right?
00:22:25.000 Like, hate crimes are always in the news.
00:22:27.000 But if you looked into it, like CNN was reporting an increase in hate crimes.
00:22:30.000 But something that was going on is that more agencies were reporting data.
00:22:35.000 So there was not like a baseline to actually understand if there was an increase.
00:22:39.000 But you know why they stopped the hashtag StopAsianHate, right?
00:22:41.000 No, I don't know.
00:22:42.000 They found out who was committing the hate crimes.
00:22:43.000 Are there Asians?
00:22:44.000 No, black people.
00:22:45.000 Oh.
00:22:46.000 Well, I think my point was just when I looked into the day of the number.
00:22:48.000 We were like very low.
00:22:49.000 It was like in cities of millions, there were like, you know, five hate crimes, and then it would go, if it went to like 10, they're like 50% or whatever.
00:22:57.000 So you can like manipulate it.
00:22:58.000 But there weren't that many.
00:23:00.000 And then they found the perpetrators tended to be black, and then all of a sudden they stopped.
00:23:00.000 Yeah.
00:23:03.000 That's why that stopped.
00:23:04.000 Yeah, because they were like, it actually counters our own narrative.
00:23:04.000 Okay.
00:23:07.000 You know?
00:23:07.000 Yeah.
00:23:08.000 What a terrible indictment, though, that you say you can't trust anybody.
00:23:08.000 Yeah.
00:23:13.000 I can trust you.
00:23:14.000 Well, but even though you're biased, you're going to have to lie to me.
00:23:17.000 Isn't that funny?
00:23:18.000 It is.
00:23:18.000 But I mean, what a terrible indictment on our whole ecosystem.
00:23:23.000 That you feel like you've got to go to the right wing sources and the left wing sources, and there's just no, no, no, you go to the left wing sources for the lie, you go to the right wing sources for the truth.
00:23:33.000 Fair enough, there's a good, I will say that sometimes the left is the left wing media outlets are more well resourced.
00:23:40.000 So, something sometimes they are doing more of the like original reporting, and then the right tends to do like the commentary on top of it.
00:23:47.000 Um, so you do still have to read the left.
00:23:50.000 I mean, no, I agree, I agree, yeah, yeah, right.
00:23:51.000 So, we got CBS here, but do we consider CBS left wing anymore since it's been purchased by the OC?
00:23:56.000 Oh, we just did a whole.
00:23:57.000 We just looked into them and they're still lean.
00:23:59.000 We did because all the Barry Weiss stuff, right?
00:24:01.000 We just did a bunch.
00:24:02.000 If you pull up their rating, we have their source page well updated where we looked at all this.
00:24:07.000 And we actually, I think we also uh pulled um Americans as well.
00:24:11.000 I agree with that actually.
00:24:12.000 Yeah, CBS, they haven't there.
00:24:14.000 We found no meaningful indicators that they have become that they're becoming more to the right.
00:24:18.000 If you scroll down, I think there's also a blind survey that we did.
00:24:22.000 See, look, that's how Americans rated them in December 2025 blindly, they didn't know they were rating CBS, but they sent independent investigators to Minnesota to investigate.
00:24:30.000 The fraud claims that Nick Shirley brought up, which I think is indicative of Barry Weiss.
00:24:35.000 They've done a couple of stories.
00:24:37.000 They did LA, same thing.
00:24:39.000 Same type of story.
00:24:40.000 They actually, they're the only network to devote any time about the diaries before the hearing.
00:24:48.000 They devoted 24 seconds to the diaries before the hearing.
00:24:51.000 We're talking about the Fauci diaries, right?
00:24:53.000 The Fauci diaries.
00:24:54.000 But they are not this MAGA superstore.
00:24:56.000 No.
00:24:57.000 Not like people claim.
00:24:58.000 They're not.
00:25:01.000 The fact that it leans left, do you think that that's just a result of the fact that people in the media tend to be.
00:25:10.000 Urban, they tend to be more cities and have a kind of a more left leaning perspective in general.
00:25:16.000 It's because people in media tend to be retarded.
00:25:21.000 I'm not biased.
00:25:22.000 Who said I was biased?
00:25:23.000 There are actual stats on what percentage of journalists identify as being Republican.
00:25:29.000 I don't remember the exact.
00:25:30.000 Yeah, it's like 5%.
00:25:31.000 For some reason, and I would love to dig into why this is, it seems like people with liberal views are drawn toward the profession in the first place.
00:25:38.000 I'm going to pause you real quick.
00:25:40.000 I think actually.
00:25:42.000 That's not correct.
00:25:43.000 The presumption is that these liberals are journalists, but they're not.
00:25:46.000 What's happening is, and what happened 10 years ago when I was working for ABC and Univision, activists are coming into these positions that are liberals for the power.
00:25:54.000 Yeah, they want to affect change.
00:25:55.000 We were talking about advocacy journalism, right?
00:25:57.000 It's like, how can I shape society to my view, right?
00:26:00.000 Like to my vision?
00:26:01.000 Well, one way is through working in the media, for sure.
00:26:05.000 Let me tell you something.
00:26:06.000 And I'm curious your experience with this kind of stuff.
00:26:08.000 I was interviewed in 2011.
00:26:10.000 Uh, over Occupy stuff, the journalist comes in and he was a freelance writer, worked for a bunch of big outlets, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Wired.
00:26:19.000 And this guy that I was with offered him a shot of whiskey, of this high end whiskey.
00:26:21.000 He goes, I can't accept that.
00:26:23.000 Uh, and the guy that you were with, no, no, no, a reporter, the reporter, okay, uh, was interviewing me and this guy.
00:26:28.000 Guy offers him a shot of this fine whiskey, scotch, and he says, I can't accept that.
00:26:33.000 I'm sorry.
00:26:34.000 Journalists' traditional ethics is you do not accept or give anything to the subjects of your interviews.
00:26:39.000 Okay, I've not seen that.
00:26:41.000 I mean, that was the last time.
00:26:43.000 Are you seeing people accept gifts now?
00:26:45.000 Journalists will come by and be like, I'll take whatever I'm offered.
00:26:45.000 Absolutely.
00:26:49.000 You could literally hand a journalist a bottle of beer and be like, thanks.
00:26:53.000 Yeah.
00:26:54.000 No, the lines are all blurry.
00:26:54.000 Yep.
00:26:55.000 Yeah.
00:26:56.000 Well, I mean, the left traditionally will gravitate to the media, academia, or the arts.
00:27:03.000 Those are the three centers, the professions that they really love to try and tap into.
00:27:09.000 What about bureaucracy?
00:27:10.000 Do you think bureaucracy has a left leaning bias?
00:27:13.000 And that too.
00:27:15.000 And you could draw a through line.
00:27:17.000 Between what's happened with Fauci and the media coverage of Fauci.
00:27:23.000 Having grown up in Washington, I've been in Washington since I was two years old, the Washingtonian bureaucrat believes in their soul that they and only they can be and should be the one to determine public policy
00:27:44.000 determinations for the United States, for the American people.
00:27:49.000 They consider it an insult.
00:27:51.000 If you question them and they have no ability to self reflect, they have no ability to self analyze or express regret.
00:27:59.000 They're never wrong.
00:28:00.000 That explains the hostility to Donald Trump as well.
00:28:04.000 Correct.
00:28:05.000 Correct.
00:28:05.000 It hurts.
00:28:06.000 And they think that they're the only, like I said, they're the only, if not me, then who?
00:28:10.000 But you know, you know, and the media are the same way.
00:28:13.000 I would describe it this way, you know, because we were talking about this a bit.
00:28:16.000 We did a longer interview, which is coming out soon.
00:28:18.000 The left and right, what does it mean to be left and right?
00:28:21.000 I would just argue that the right.
00:28:23.000 As it's generally used, whether intentionally or not, just means closer to reality, and the left means further from reality.
00:28:31.000 And I will explain this because I know immediately the liberals are going to be like, how dare you say that?
00:28:36.000 When we're describing the tribes in bias, the examples I like to use is that Jimmy Dore is called right wing despite being a socialist.
00:28:43.000 I'm called right wing despite having left libertarian views.
00:28:46.000 The Lincoln Project is called left wing despite being clearly old school conservatives who hate Trump.
00:28:51.000 So it's not the policy positions the person holds that defines whether they're going to be left leaning or right leaning, it's who do they side with.
00:29:00.000 And when you side with someone, you side with them largely based on their interpretation of facts.
00:29:06.000 What we know is that let's just go with the very fine people hoax.
00:29:10.000 Let's go with the Shinzo Abe hoax with the fish.
00:29:13.000 Let's go with everything said during COVID.
00:29:16.000 The corporate press, legacy media, the left, left aligned media has consistently misled people, either intentionally or otherwise, subject to determine why they were misleading.
00:29:25.000 But whether it was an accident or on purpose, people were being misled.
00:29:28.000 And the right has, while sometimes they get things wrong, tended to break through that noise to get out the correct narratives.
00:29:37.000 So, if you look at like the Burisma scandal with Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, for instance, liberals largely believed that Joe Biden never engaged in a quid pro quo to get a prosecutor fired.
00:29:48.000 Everyone else, you would be, I'll put it this way.
00:29:51.000 If you say publicly, Joe Biden told the president of Ukraine, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars, they would call you a conservative for stating a fact.
00:30:01.000 So, I think for me, especially after 10 years, I mean, working in this industry longer, but over 10 years of independently just reading nothing but news all day, every day, we see that.
00:30:11.000 The left tends to mislead with incorrect information, and the right doesn't.
00:30:16.000 I would describe it as you just did.
00:30:17.000 They don't do the primary sourcing journalism, they do the commentary, fact check, and debunking of the corporate press narratives.
00:30:24.000 So if you're following the right, what are you going to see?
00:30:28.000 Joe Biden on video on X going, I told him, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.
00:30:33.000 Son of a bitch.
00:30:35.000 I got fired.
00:30:36.000 But if you watch CNN, you'll have never seen that video.
00:30:39.000 We're thinking of like 9 11 and like, Because that was the right was in charge.
00:30:44.000 I mean, it was the Republican Party, but were they always leftists?
00:30:47.000 I got to pause you.
00:30:48.000 The world has changed.
00:30:50.000 So we have the liberal economic order, but that means liberal leftists.
00:30:50.000 Yeah.
00:30:55.000 Are all of us leftists without realizing?
00:30:57.000 No, let me explain.
00:30:58.000 The Lincoln Project are those people from back then, but they're anti Trump and they're aligned with Democrats these days.
00:31:06.000 What is now left and right is fundamentally different from what it was 20 years ago.
00:31:10.000 There's like a left and a right within this far left ecosystem that we exist within, this liberal economic bubble.
00:31:16.000 That is, I guess you would call it far left, democratic, socialist.
00:31:20.000 Well, that's immaterial to what we're talking about.
00:31:23.000 So the point is this you are accurately describing that under the Bush administration during Iraq, the media was marching in lockstep with what the conservatives wanted.
00:31:30.000 It was the right, far right.
00:31:31.000 However, Trump was an insurgent candidate, as was Bernie.
00:31:34.000 The right populists have assumed large control of the Republican Party.
00:31:39.000 And those Republicans you describe formed the Lincoln Project.
00:31:43.000 Or Bill Kristol.
00:31:44.000 And are now aligned with Democrats and advocating for Democrat politicians and opposing the right.
00:31:48.000 So when I say, The right tends to be closer to reality and the left tends to be misleading.
00:31:53.000 I am not talking about 20 years ago.
00:31:54.000 I'm talking about what's happened since then.
00:31:57.000 Don't get me wrong, back then, all of the media was in this bubble.
00:32:00.000 The Democrats and Republicans were marching in lockstep, and Bill Maher got fired from his job for talking, for criticizing the US government and the military operations in the Middle East.
00:32:11.000 So, how do you guys define left and right when you're working in the media sphere?
00:32:16.000 Well, I was explaining this to Tim earlier.
00:32:18.000 It's like we do have on our website, like if you click on any of our ratings, we have some general descriptions of, Left, center, and right.
00:32:27.000 But our process is actually to capture the average view of Americans and a panel of experts like today, right?
00:32:35.000 So, like, you're talking about the history of it changing and things like that, right?
00:32:38.000 But what we're actually trying to do is capture what are largely subjective views.
00:32:42.000 It's true.
00:32:43.000 Like, if you look at our page for the Lincoln Project, there was a ton of discussion about whether or not their rating ought to be, right?
00:32:50.000 And we have some really interesting discussion captured on that page.
00:32:53.000 So, we're not actually trying to define it, we're trying to capture what Americans think.
00:33:00.000 And also, what experts think when they read news content and they see it straying from objectivity and neutrality.
00:33:08.000 And we have a rubric for that, essentially, with types of.
00:33:11.000 I was just telling this here, Feller.
00:33:13.000 We got mrc.org pulled up.
00:33:15.000 It says shattering liberal media influence.
00:33:17.000 And I said, I don't think you should put liberal because if there's a news story that says politician tries to kick dog, that's not left or right.
00:33:25.000 That's just did it happen or not.
00:33:26.000 However, when was it Jay Jones?
00:33:28.000 What is his name?
00:33:30.000 I don't know.
00:33:32.000 No.
00:33:32.000 Jamal Jones?
00:33:33.000 J. Jones was the guy in Virginia, right?
00:33:34.000 He tried to kick a dog.
00:33:36.000 J. Jones was the guy who wanted to eat the children of his political opponent.
00:33:41.000 J. Jones kicked a dog.
00:33:42.000 Yeah, here you go.
00:33:43.000 Texas.
00:33:44.000 From the Hindustan times.
00:33:46.000 J. Jones tried to kick a dog.
00:33:49.000 Well, he did.
00:33:50.000 He wasn't punting the dog or anything.
00:33:52.000 Right.
00:33:53.000 But he took a swing at the dog, right?
00:33:54.000 Gentle.
00:33:55.000 So here, let's pull this video up.
00:33:57.000 And it's like a weird video because you're like, why would he do this?
00:34:00.000 There's the dog.
00:34:01.000 He kicked at the dog.
00:34:03.000 He didn't actually kick the dog.
00:34:04.000 So here's the bias.
00:34:06.000 Mm hmm.
00:34:06.000 He took a swing at the dog as it was running away.
00:34:09.000 Did he try to kick the dog?
00:34:10.000 Well, he did.
00:34:10.000 I'm not saying he was trying to kill the dog or anything like that.
00:34:13.000 It is not liberal or conservative to point out he tried to kick a dog.
00:34:16.000 That's like me being like this and you'd be like, Ian tried to punch Tim Poole.
00:34:19.000 No, no, no, no.
00:34:20.000 Come on, hold on.
00:34:21.000 I was six feet away from him.
00:34:22.000 I swung.
00:34:23.000 Kick doesn't.
00:34:24.000 We said, why didn't Christy gnome it, the dog?
00:34:27.000 Punch is definitional.
00:34:27.000 It's true.
00:34:29.000 Punch is to strike with force using a closed fist, typically intending to cause serious harm.
00:34:35.000 But there's playful punches.
00:34:36.000 However, a kick doesn't always mean.
00:34:37.000 If you say kick the tire, you don't think they're going to soccer ball punt.
00:34:41.000 The tire, they're going to tap it with their foot.
00:34:43.000 That's why I'm saying it's not partisan to say he tried to kick a dog.
00:34:45.000 And I always clarify, I don't think he's trying to hurt the dog or punt it, but he did.
00:34:49.000 And that's weird.
00:34:49.000 Now, here's the point.
00:34:51.000 Liberal outlets would say he tried to shoo the dog away or that he didn't.
00:34:56.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:34:58.000 There's what happened in the video, which is him, let's say, swinging his leg.
00:35:01.000 And then there's interpretation.
00:35:03.000 And you're interpreting it as him trying to kick the dog.
00:35:07.000 Liberals are like, they might soften it, say, swung at or like, Like that was maybe a more relaxed gesture, right?
00:35:14.000 So there's two points.
00:35:16.000 First is, we're not here, I think, for the most part.
00:35:19.000 I think your mission actually isn't about the politics of the outlet.
00:35:23.000 It's whether they're lying about what happened.
00:35:24.000 Sure.
00:35:25.000 So it doesn't need to be liberal or conservative.
00:35:27.000 It's just, did they lie?
00:35:28.000 And I will stress this this is why people don't trust the media.
00:35:32.000 I think it is perfectly, I think what I described is completely reasonable.
00:35:36.000 And let's just call it a 98 out of 100.
00:35:39.000 I said, he, like when you kick a car's tires to check it, You're not using full force to break the car or damage it.
00:35:47.000 It just means to swing your foot against an object.
00:35:50.000 He did try to kick the dog.
00:35:52.000 I don't think he was trying to punt the dog into another universe, injure the dog, or hurt in any other way, but he did kick at the dog.
00:35:59.000 Now, I don't know.
00:36:00.000 Kick at is different from kicked.
00:36:02.000 Tried to kick.
00:36:03.000 Yeah, tried to kick.
00:36:05.000 I think it's fair to say he tried to kick the dog.
00:36:06.000 Tried to kick the dog.
00:36:07.000 Strong at?
00:36:08.000 I mean, playful.
00:36:09.000 But here's the point.
00:36:11.000 I didn't say, dude, try to punt a dog.
00:36:14.000 That's biased.
00:36:14.000 That's unfair.
00:36:15.000 That's not an accurate representation of what happened.
00:36:17.000 But the point ultimately is.
00:36:19.000 The way I described it is not right biased.
00:36:21.000 Would it be better to call it?
00:36:22.000 It's reasonable to say, I don't think he was trying to hurt the dog, but he did take a kick at it.
00:36:25.000 Do you think bureaucratic media is a better phrase than liberal media?
00:36:29.000 Because it's like media owned by BlackRock and stuff.
00:36:32.000 Lying.
00:36:32.000 I love the term elitist because I do think there's a.
00:36:35.000 We're.
00:36:37.000 The right is already kind of engaged in this war on expertise anyway.
00:36:40.000 And these guys very much feel like flyover country is beneath them.
00:36:46.000 And their presentation, you see this in the Fauci coverage, is just this elitist mentality.
00:36:51.000 But to your point, and I can actually, when you're talking about this video, I can feel like the soul of Scott Adams, like saying everybody sees a video differently, sees different things.
00:36:59.000 But to your point earlier, what the right invests in when it comes to journalism, this all kind of started back in 1992.
00:37:08.000 Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch figured out that, okay, CNN can go invest in the basic blocking and tackling.
00:37:14.000 If you want to see what happened, go turn on CNN.
00:37:17.000 If you want to go see what it means, turn on Fox.
00:37:21.000 And so they invested it in analysts, where CNN invested in big, gigantic computer boards of electoral college maps and all these fancy toys and gizmos that nobody watched because they didn't believe them.
00:37:35.000 And so that has sort of permeated.
00:37:37.000 And he can't argue with Fox's approach.
00:37:39.000 They're the number one network, 24 hours of every single day for 30 years, every single hour of every day.
00:37:45.000 I mean, who are we to judge any of that?
00:37:48.000 But that is, now that's not to say that the Fox has not, that the right wing ecosystem has not invested properly in the basic blocking of tackling and tackling of reporting.
00:37:58.000 Breitbart is a terrific example of this.
00:38:01.000 In January, the Minnesota Star Tribune, Shot up the news website rankings to be the top 40 news website in America in January, all with anti ice coverage all day long.
00:38:14.000 Yep.
00:38:15.000 Based purely on the fact that Apple News picked them up 11 times and Google News picked them up six times.
00:38:21.000 And I was sitting at a panel with Alex Marlowe, who I'm sure we both know.
00:38:25.000 And I said, Did you deploy a reporter during the Minnesota ice rides?
00:38:30.000 He said, Absolutely.
00:38:31.000 We funneled, he processed three stories a day.
00:38:34.000 Did Apple News?
00:38:35.000 Nope.
00:38:36.000 Pick up Breitbart and any of that?
00:38:37.000 Did Google News?
00:38:37.000 Nope.
00:38:38.000 MSN?
00:38:38.000 Nope.
00:38:39.000 Nope.
00:38:39.000 Yahoo?
00:38:40.000 Nope.
00:38:41.000 So, this website that nobody asked for, one of the most liberal operations outlets in the country, the Minnesota Star Tribune, was showcased and vaulted up to the top 50 rankings in the United States based purely on the app love that they got.
00:38:58.000 And it's all anti ICE all the time.
00:39:00.000 So, that's kind of the system that we're trying to change.
00:39:04.000 Because the right wing ecosystem, talk to Miranda Devine, tell Miranda Devine she doesn't break stories.
00:39:10.000 On the right.
00:39:11.000 Did you know the Minnesota Star Tribune reported that Elhan Omar may have married her brother?
00:39:18.000 As of.
00:39:19.000 Yeah, she was broke.
00:39:19.000 This was yearly reports.
00:39:20.000 They broke it.
00:39:20.000 In 2018, when the story.
00:39:22.000 Right, right, right.
00:39:23.000 And it's funny because that story is considered fake news and right wing and whatever, even though it's the Star Tribune that published it.
00:39:29.000 Right.
00:39:30.000 There's a great meme going around with the main guy.
00:39:33.000 What's his name?
00:39:33.000 Jackson?
00:39:34.000 No.
00:39:35.000 Jackson, the new one.
00:39:36.000 He's married his cousin.
00:39:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:39:38.000 And Omar's out there like, hold my beer.
00:39:40.000 Well, he married his second cousin, right?
00:39:42.000 Well, in Maine.
00:39:44.000 Second cousin is still a line.
00:39:46.000 Second cousin is far away from first cousin, but it's like second cousin.
00:39:46.000 People need to understand.
00:39:50.000 Your dad's cousin is your second cousin?
00:39:52.000 No, I think it means they shared a great grandparent.
00:39:55.000 Yeah.
00:39:56.000 I'm like, sorry, nah.
00:39:58.000 No, you got to wait seven generations until there's like zero genetic danger.
00:40:02.000 We did all this math on the show.
00:40:03.000 Dude, you make a good point about Alphabet controlling the media, like these corporations, Apple, like since 2006.
00:40:09.000 You get featured on YouTube, you're bigger than Fox News.
00:40:12.000 A majority of the country.
00:40:13.000 I learned the same thing.
00:40:14.000 No, two different companies that are kind of.
00:40:15.000 Co monopolizing, duopolizing the media.
00:40:18.000 Reuters had a great poll in July of 25.
00:40:21.000 A majority of the country reported that they get their news from one of the following four Apple News, Google News, Yahoo, or MSN.
00:40:29.000 And it makes sense.
00:40:30.000 They're at the point of entry, right?
00:40:32.000 If you've got an iPhone, you've got Apple News preloaded.
00:40:34.000 Android, Google News preloaded.
00:40:36.000 If you're on a desktop computer, if you're at the nurse with the graveyard shift, if you're, you know, whatever, whatever white collar job you've got, you've got MSN preloaded.
00:40:46.000 So it makes sense.
00:40:47.000 So it's also important to analyze what these guys are putting out there and what outlets they're choosing to showcase.
00:40:52.000 Okay.
00:40:53.000 And what are the financial arrangements between these things?
00:40:55.000 We got to do it.
00:40:56.000 We got to do it.
00:40:57.000 From the New York Post, Maine Democrat Senate candidate Troy Jackson fathered two kids with his second cousin.
00:41:03.000 Off brick.
00:41:04.000 Okay.
00:41:05.000 So I saw this story, and that's just it.
00:41:08.000 Jackson, 58, and Lana Peltier.
00:41:11.000 How do you say that?
00:41:12.000 Peltier?
00:41:13.000 Peltier.
00:41:13.000 Peltier.
00:41:13.000 Peltier.
00:41:14.000 Share two adult sons and the same great grandparents.
00:41:18.000 I see a comment where someone's like, well, second cousin's very different from first cousin.
00:41:22.000 And immediately everyone's like, oh no, found him.
00:41:25.000 Here it is.
00:41:26.000 I just want to show you this chart.
00:41:28.000 This means this dude had kids.
00:41:31.000 This is his dad's cousin's kid.
00:41:33.000 That's what you were saying, right, Ian?
00:41:35.000 His dad's cousin or his mom's cousin.
00:41:37.000 One of his parents' cousins had a kid.
00:41:39.000 He married that kid and had kids.
00:41:42.000 Okay, that means they're the same great grandparent.
00:41:45.000 I met my great grandparent.
00:41:46.000 This is not outside of the family.
00:41:48.000 This is great grandparents in traditional American tradition are at your family reunion and you know them.
00:41:57.000 It's like, so.
00:42:00.000 In recent history, great grandparents have fallen out of
00:42:06.000 the immediate nuclear family, the immediate family, because we're not having kids until way later.
00:42:11.000 But if at 22 years old they have a kid, that kid at 22 years old has a kid.
00:42:17.000 That means the newborn kid's grandparent is in their mid 40s.
00:42:20.000 That means when that grandkid has a kid, their grandparent is in their 60s while they're in their 20s.
00:42:27.000 And that means your great grandparent is going to be in their 80s when you're having your kid, and your great grandparent is going to meet their great grandchild.
00:42:34.000 So, I'm going to go ahead and say second cousin is too close and very weird.
00:42:40.000 How do they meet?
00:42:41.000 Genetically, first cousins are close.
00:42:43.000 I think second cousins, because aristocrats, didn't they used to do this all the time?
00:42:47.000 Oh, they bang their stomach.
00:42:48.000 Yeah, but like I think second cousins are genetically far away, but you're right.
00:42:51.000 On like a social level, like it's got some options.
00:42:55.000 Be Romaine, I mean, Romaine doesn't have that many people.
00:42:58.000 You got to get what you can get.
00:43:02.000 Did you pull up the percentage chances of birth defects?
00:43:04.000 I'm pulling that up right now.
00:43:05.000 It's very small for sure.
00:43:06.000 It's low for second chance.
00:43:07.000 It's just about the same as unrelated.
00:43:08.000 Really?
00:43:09.000 You can genetically get away.
00:43:10.000 It's like, I think you can get like 3% genetic material with your.
00:43:13.000 I'm just going to pause and say.
00:43:14.000 I don't know why I know that.
00:43:15.000 It is very strange.
00:43:16.000 It is very strange to go to the family reunion with your wife and kids, remembering your great grandparent and how they came to this country.
00:43:24.000 And you're like, yeah, you know, and you're like, hey, kids, when we look back in our family history to how we came here, remember, your mom and I have the same parent who emigrated here to have you.
00:43:34.000 Maybe they're trying to keep assets.
00:43:36.000 In the line, like that's why they used to do this, bro.
00:43:38.000 Just get Brandon Brandon Bloodline Cure.
00:43:41.000 I'm with you.
00:43:41.000 I mean, in rural Maine 50 years ago, this is probably a lot more common.
00:43:45.000 Now, that's not saying you should elect him to the United States Senate, it's not an endorsement.
00:43:51.000 But I'm just saying, like, up in Maine, you know, things get weird up there.
00:43:55.000 And Omar says, Hold my beer.
00:43:57.000 Yeah, there's a lot of pine trees and not a lot of people.
00:44:01.000 Maine's a big state.
00:44:02.000 If you're in like, if you're in Massachusetts, it's like where I come from in Western Mass.
00:44:06.000 It's the same distance to the tip of Maine as it is to down here.
00:44:09.000 It's like a six hour or seven hour drive to get up there.
00:44:12.000 So people don't think about how big Maine is.
00:44:16.000 It's a fairly decent sized state, especially for an East Coast state.
00:44:18.000 A lot of lobster, too.
00:44:19.000 It's very good.
00:44:20.000 For the record, it's just a 2% to 3% chance of a birth defect from unrelated parents.
00:44:24.000 2% to 3%.
00:44:25.000 So then, how?
00:44:26.000 2.5 to 3.5 for second cousins.
00:44:28.000 There is an additional risk.
00:44:30.000 There's an additional risk of between 0.5 and 1.5% for second cousins.
00:44:35.000 And you get to keep the familial wealth in the family.
00:44:38.000 And if everyone else is idiots, you know that your family's well educated.
00:44:42.000 So let's just clarify.
00:44:44.000 There is a 0.4% to 0.7% increased birth defect and congenital anomaly risk among second cousins, and around two times greater.
00:44:55.000 Lethal genetic conditions among second cousins.
00:44:57.000 That being said, two times is still only about a point or two.
00:45:01.000 So your genetic anomalies are about 2%.
00:45:05.000 Birth effects are 2% to 3%.
00:45:07.000 Second cousin is going to be like 3.5% to around 3.5% for both.
00:45:14.000 So it is like two times greater, but we're talking about a single percentage point.
00:45:19.000 So I'll put it this way if you want to win an election, here's what you say Did you know that this Democrat who's running had kids with his cousin?
00:45:29.000 You don't say second cousin or first, right?
00:45:31.000 Now, if you want to make it seem like you're more honest, you can say he had kids with a second cousin, which has two times the rate of birth defects.
00:45:40.000 And they'll go, whoa, this sounds like a lot, but we're talking about like a 2% chance.
00:45:44.000 This is what they were doing with the hate crime data.
00:45:44.000 Double.
00:45:47.000 They were like, there's been a, I don't remember the exact numbers, 50% increase, but it was like from one to two.
00:45:52.000 It's like two to three.
00:45:53.000 So you could just manipulate those numbers.
00:45:56.000 I'll make a bet that Susan Collins doesn't mention any of those things.
00:45:59.000 Oh, no.
00:46:00.000 That's just not going to be her cup of tea.
00:46:00.000 No.
00:46:02.000 It's going to be, it'll be, it'll be regular, you know, I guess, the down in the mud House members that are going to make a stink about it.
00:46:02.000 No.
00:46:10.000 Yeah.
00:46:11.000 You know, I don't know.
00:46:12.000 I imagine this is the problem is, well, here's a question for you guys.
00:46:17.000 Is it a legitimate question to bring up in a debate?
00:46:20.000 This?
00:46:20.000 Why did you do it?
00:46:21.000 No, no, no.
00:46:22.000 I would ask.
00:46:24.000 Is she hot?
00:46:25.000 Is she worth it?
00:46:26.000 You can see a picture of her, bro.
00:46:28.000 Like, okay.
00:46:29.000 Could you imagine a debate?
00:46:32.000 It's the Senate debate, and the debater is just like, So, you had kids with your cousin?
00:46:38.000 Was she hot?
00:46:39.000 Do your kids know?
00:46:40.000 It's going to be like, actually, yeah.
00:46:41.000 Like, how'd you meet your wife?
00:46:42.000 Why do you think?
00:46:44.000 It's a great episode for South Park to tackle.
00:46:47.000 Yeah, it is.
00:46:47.000 That's a good point.
00:46:48.000 I don't know if I would bring it up in a debate.
00:46:50.000 I think your normal guy wouldn't bring it up.
00:46:52.000 He'd be like, no, I want to be professional, but like Donald Trump would bring it up.
00:46:56.000 I think it should be brought up.
00:46:57.000 I think it's legitimate.
00:46:59.000 I think the issue of family values are extremely important to Americans and are extremely important to uphold.
00:47:05.000 This is why they say, this is why Tim Scott got married.
00:47:08.000 Remember, like he was a contender for VP.
00:47:10.000 All of a sudden, he gets married to his longtime girlfriend.
00:47:12.000 The speculation, of course, is that you can't win the presidency as a bachelor.
00:47:15.000 You got to be a family man because too many people have kids, have families.
00:47:20.000 Duh, we all mostly do.
00:47:21.000 And they want to know that you understand their interests.
00:47:25.000 This is interesting.
00:47:26.000 Now, I wouldn't ask it in a.
00:47:29.000 Like, if I was going to ask him personally, I'd say, I think you shouldn't have done this, but.
00:47:36.000 I'm not going to pretend like it's the apocalypse because the genetic anomaly rate is 10 times lower than first cousins.
00:47:42.000 And I'm sure your kids are well adjusted and totally fine.
00:47:45.000 But people are going to raise questions about your family values having fathered kids with your second cousin.
00:47:50.000 What are the chances they know, Mainers know this already?
00:47:54.000 And this has just percolated up to the national.
00:47:57.000 It's the first time I've heard of it.
00:47:59.000 I bet it has.
00:48:00.000 I don't know.
00:48:01.000 I don't know.
00:48:03.000 I don't know because he was.
00:48:05.000 I don't think he was.
00:48:06.000 Extremely well known before they brought his name up after Graham Plattner.
00:48:12.000 If he'd have run before for something or he'd been in politics before, maybe.
00:48:17.000 But I don't, I don't, I mean, I could be wrong.
00:48:17.000 Yeah.
00:48:20.000 It makes me wonder did he say, I can't win because of this?
00:48:24.000 Like, go nominate Platter.
00:48:27.000 Did you guys see the viral story of the woman who met her husband at their family reunion?
00:48:32.000 And everyone started commenting.
00:48:35.000 Like, she made a video.
00:48:35.000 She's like, I met my husband at family reunion.
00:48:37.000 They're like dancing.
00:48:38.000 She got a bunch of comments where they were like, You married your cousin.
00:48:40.000 And she was like, No.
00:48:41.000 She's like, It's my cousin's cousin.
00:48:43.000 I am not related to him.
00:48:45.000 And then people were like, What?
00:48:46.000 Your cousin's cousin is related to you?
00:48:48.000 And then she had to explain that her mom, Has a sister, and what is it?
00:48:55.000 Her sister married a guy, had a kid together.
00:49:00.000 She, so it's her, what is it?
00:49:02.000 No, no, no, that would be her cousin.
00:49:03.000 It was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
00:49:05.000 She has a cousin.
00:49:07.000 So it's her mom's, her mom's sister's kid, and her dad is not related to her, had a sister who had a kid.
00:49:14.000 Hold on, sounds like you're saying she banged her cousin, but you're just kind of cascading it.
00:49:17.000 No, no, no, no.
00:49:18.000 Listen, okay.
00:49:19.000 Here's her, here's her mom, mom's sister.
00:49:23.000 Sister marries Guy, have kid.
00:49:25.000 They're cousins.
00:49:27.000 Guy has sister, right?
00:49:30.000 She is not related to her uncle.
00:49:33.000 I get it.
00:49:33.000 Uncle's sister has kid.
00:49:34.000 Cousin by marriage.
00:49:35.000 So now her cousin's cousin is not related to her in any genetic way, and then they got together, which is, it just sounds weird.
00:49:43.000 But actually, she was right.
00:49:44.000 They're not related in any way genetically.
00:49:46.000 And they don't share grandparents or anything like that.
00:49:49.000 Cousin by marriage.
00:49:51.000 Maybe there should be a different word for it.
00:49:53.000 Because it's like the word rape, you know, like there's different kinds of cussing.
00:49:57.000 You should have different words.
00:49:58.000 What?
00:49:59.000 There's like underage statutory, which is like consensual.
00:50:03.000 Ian's like, let me say the most shocking word to add to this story.
00:50:07.000 Being from Virginia, we're all related to Robert E. Lee.
00:50:09.000 That's what we all claim.
00:50:11.000 And you look like him.
00:50:11.000 Everybody claims him.
00:50:12.000 Everybody.
00:50:13.000 He's like the Genghis Khan of the United States.
00:50:16.000 I mean, it's the lore of it, right?
00:50:19.000 Yeah.
00:50:20.000 So it's easy.
00:50:21.000 But like, okay, if you ask this guy this in a debate, like, and you're trying to get at his sense of family value, Like, what does it imply about him politically?
00:50:27.000 You know what I mean?
00:50:28.000 Like, it couldn't be.
00:50:29.000 He would bang his cousin.
00:50:30.000 He's more family oriented than the average person.
00:50:33.000 Well, no, I would say this.
00:50:35.000 Hold on.
00:50:37.000 This story is getting a lot of attention.
00:50:39.000 Yeah.
00:50:40.000 Why?
00:50:41.000 Is it because it sounds gross?
00:50:45.000 Probably, yeah.
00:50:45.000 Do you think?
00:50:46.000 Okay, well, hold on.
00:50:47.000 Why does it sound gross?
00:50:48.000 Because it's taboo.
00:50:50.000 Like, they're trying to set him up as engaging in taboos.
00:50:52.000 Simply put, I think if you are trying to be a proper journalist interviewing a candidate, And there is a story of general interest that people find to be of value, you should ask them about it.
00:51:02.000 That being said, I also understand it's salacious and it's not apocalyptic, but it's bad for him politically.
00:51:08.000 It's sex, drugs, rock and roll.
00:51:10.000 Yeah.
00:51:11.000 Is this a Fox story?
00:51:13.000 This is a New York Post.
00:51:15.000 I guess.
00:51:16.000 I mean, look, the headline's pretty straightforward.
00:51:19.000 Main candidate fathers two children with second cousin.
00:51:22.000 Troy Jackson.
00:51:24.000 He replaces Graham Platner after multiple scandals for Platner, including a Nazi tattoo.
00:51:29.000 No, I think they're just talking about it in general.
00:51:31.000 I don't think they're sharing the heated headlines.
00:51:33.000 The post headline I'm talking about.
00:51:35.000 I mean, it's pretty straightforward.
00:51:37.000 That is an unbiased headline.
00:51:38.000 You're saying this is getting a lot of play on other outlets?
00:51:41.000 Because the New York Post is known for this type of like.
00:51:43.000 Well, let me ask you.
00:51:44.000 Is that headline biased?
00:51:45.000 Honest question.
00:51:48.000 No.
00:51:49.000 Perfectly unbiased.
00:51:50.000 Well, okay.
00:51:51.000 Now we're back at story choice bias.
00:51:54.000 The fact that they're choosing to cover it could be.
00:51:57.000 See, I'm not a fan of that idea of story choice bias.
00:52:00.000 Well, think about this.
00:52:02.000 Go back to the days of.
00:52:03.000 The editors had to select the stories that most people are only going to see what's above the fold, right?
00:52:03.000 Print news.
00:52:08.000 When the newspaper's folded and it's sitting there.
00:52:10.000 So the editors have to select the stories that they, if you don't even pick up that page.
00:52:14.000 I agree with that.
00:52:15.000 Yeah, so that's what we mean.
00:52:16.000 I don't agree with this.
00:52:17.000 I don't agree that in a digital era, we are constrained by space.
00:52:21.000 So, story choice, I don't think.
00:52:24.000 Well, you could look at the, like, is it on their homepage?
00:52:26.000 Like, we look at that a lot.
00:52:27.000 We're like, is it on their homepage?
00:52:29.000 Like, how important do the editors think that this story is?
00:52:32.000 They're calling it an unspeakable whore.
00:52:34.000 No, I'm kidding.
00:52:34.000 That's a different story.
00:52:36.000 I would say if the twists and turns of every relationship Donald Trump Jr. has been in in the last.
00:52:46.000 Eight years of the Trump era, and that's been widely reported from girlfriends and ex wives and new wives, then certainly the candidate for in the most important Senate race in the country,
00:53:01.000 his family relationship is newsworthy.
00:53:03.000 Absolutely.
00:53:04.000 Story choice bias is super important because every day before we do this show, we'll be like, what should we talk about today?
00:53:09.000 That's not correct.
00:53:09.000 That's bias.
00:53:10.000 We say, what's the biggest story of the day?
00:53:13.000 According to this framing, like the things you've seen, I say, what's the big news, everybody, and ask everybody what the biggest story is.
00:53:18.000 I have a specific algorithm in Twitter that I pick.
00:53:20.000 From that, I'm I have it's like an echo chamber, it's a big echo chamber.
00:53:23.000 But like, how can you deliver news and not be biased because you're deciding what you're going to cover?
00:53:28.000 But this is the point, bias that's why we are perfectly unbiased in every way.
00:53:33.000 You're the only neutral news source.
00:53:35.000 But to say that like story choice bias isn't relevant is just not accurate because exactly what you're saying, like, these even if you go look at all the media outlets of the day and what are they all covering, like, I mean, some I mean, sometimes they're not all covering the same thing,
00:53:50.000 sometimes they are all covering the same thing because everyone agrees that.
00:53:53.000 The biggest story every day when we come in at pre production and I ask what's the big news, I'm not suggesting the most viewed, I'm saying which is generating the most interest, attention, and is requesting of opinion and commentary.
00:54:06.000 Well, do you ever choose based on what you think is really important, even if it's not being widely covered?
00:54:11.000 Sometimes, yes, yeah, story choice bias, indeed.
00:54:14.000 Typically, though, for this show, is like you're which is fine, it's not like it's bad, it's just I would actually say, technically, the inverse.
00:54:20.000 Sometimes we cover stories we know people aren't going to click on, but is the most important story like.
00:54:24.000 There was an earthquake and hurricane hits.
00:54:26.000 And we're like, this is going to be the most valuable in terms of what people know.
00:54:30.000 Arguing about the color of Trump's tie, it's the biggest story, but who cares?
00:54:34.000 Yeah.
00:54:35.000 I'm not going to do that.
00:54:35.000 Yeah.
00:54:36.000 I mean, if you went with the networks, you wouldn't have covered Fauci.
00:54:39.000 Indeed.
00:54:40.000 You wouldn't have covered Nick Shirley.
00:54:42.000 Yep.
00:54:43.000 You wouldn't have covered Hunter Biden.
00:54:46.000 There's a laundry list.
00:54:47.000 And if you were a big tech company, you'd have banned anyone who did.
00:54:49.000 Absolutely.
00:54:50.000 Yeah.
00:54:50.000 So we're just like, so you're just editors or commentators, they're always having to choose what they think is the most important for people.
00:54:58.000 Just look at the New York Post homepage today.
00:55:01.000 What are they going to take away?
00:55:02.000 To be fair, that wasn't on the homepage.
00:55:03.000 I looked, it wasn't there.
00:55:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:55:05.000 So.
00:55:05.000 But it is, there's a storytellers' bias, but there are editorial decisions being made every single day by these big media companies to not cover Fauci.
00:55:19.000 Those diaries should have been one of the biggest stories of the year.
00:55:22.000 Oh, yeah, because it proved that he was lying about everything.
00:55:24.000 Absolutely.
00:55:26.000 And to give it a glancing 24 seconds on one network, Is a crime in and of itself.
00:55:31.000 Here's the important point to the liberal mention.
00:55:34.000 It is not a policy position to point out that they're obfuscating and downplaying some of the most important stories of a generation.
00:55:41.000 So the issue that I take with the, you know, we're conservatives and we're calling out the liberal bias.
00:55:49.000 The issue I take with it is that what Fauci did is not partisan Democrat conservative.
00:55:54.000 It is just atrocious.
00:55:55.000 He committed atrocities, in my opinion.
00:55:57.000 And I'm going to clarify he secretly, he surreptitiously provided funding for gain of function research, lied about it.
00:56:02.000 Defied mandate from the U.S. government to do so and doing it in a foreign country.
00:56:06.000 And when he found out that it was likely his work that resulted in this, he lied to the American people and advocated for things that were detrimental and that caused harm and death.
00:56:14.000 That isn't, he committed atrocities in that capacity.
00:56:17.000 I'm not acting like he's Hitler or anything, but when he went out and he lied to people, what did he say?
00:56:21.000 How about an easy one?
00:56:22.000 He said, don't buy masks.
00:56:24.000 Then he later admitted, I only lied to people because I wanted to make sure our people got them first.
00:56:28.000 We wanted to make sure that our medical professionals got access to these masks before the general public.
00:56:32.000 Now that we have secured our supplies, now you can worry about it.
00:56:35.000 That's not what someone who is being honest and neutral should do.
00:56:38.000 Not just can, but should.
00:56:39.000 Indeed, and then mandated.
00:56:41.000 And then started, even though he admitted you don't need to wear two masks, once the media told him you should.
00:56:45.000 He went along with it and told people to wear two masks.
00:56:47.000 When we knew for a fact that the vaccines were causing myocarditis and pericarditis, and I'm saying new as in behind the scenes, not media speculation, he came out and lied over and over and over again.
00:56:59.000 And now we have Stanford and Nature.com proving that not only could the vaccine increase your likelihood of getting COVID, but that it was causing myocarditis and pericarditis, which contribute to a five year shortened lifespan, and that the rate, according to Stanford, is for males 30 and under,
00:57:14.000 one in 16,750.
00:57:16.000 That is a common side effect.
00:57:18.000 Fauci lied and people died.
00:57:20.000 And we had millions of people locked down, millions of people forced to get mass medication.
00:57:27.000 And the media didn't want to cover the story.
00:57:28.000 That Fauci was privately acknowledging he was lying to everybody the whole time.
00:57:33.000 That when COVID patients were being put in nursing homes and the elderly were dying because of what Fauci was recommending and because of what these governors and blue sets were doing, they won't cover it.
00:57:45.000 By all means, we can point out that there is a correlation between.
00:57:50.000 The Democratic Party, liberal policies, and what the media's reporting.
00:57:53.000 But I don't think it's helpful to your run of the mill default lib who doesn't pay attention to when they think they're a liberal because they don't know better to say the liberals are doing something bad.
00:58:02.000 And then they go, What?
00:58:03.000 I didn't do anything.
00:58:04.000 What do you like?
00:58:05.000 We didn't do anything wrong.
00:58:06.000 You guys are crazy.
00:58:07.000 Right.
00:58:07.000 So we're watching an entirely different movie.
00:58:11.000 I think the truth is they're not watching the movie.
00:58:13.000 The best way to describe it, Scott Adams said it's one screen with two movies.
00:58:17.000 The thing is, most of these liberals are sitting on the couch on their phones with the movie in the background.
00:58:21.000 Yeah.
00:58:22.000 People think he's allowed to plead the fifth, even though he had been pardoned, and that was not allowed.
00:58:27.000 People still think it.
00:58:28.000 And in fact, Brett Weinstein did a piece on Dark Horse Podcast.
00:58:31.000 I think yesterday, the day before, I saw a clip where he was saying, This is the thing about Anthony Fauci.
00:58:34.000 You got to look at him like he's part of a mafia.
00:58:36.000 He's a made man in a mafia.
00:58:38.000 He goes up there, he flaunts the law.
00:58:40.000 He says, I plead the fifth.
00:58:41.000 I don't care about you.
00:58:42.000 You can do nothing to me.
00:58:43.000 I'm untouchable.
00:58:44.000 And if he flouts the law, he flouts the law, flouts the law, things he said, flaunt, maybe a little bit of both.
00:58:49.000 But like, I think that if he were to be honest about what he'd done, they'd kill him, they'd whack him.
00:58:54.000 So he, and he's just essentially untouchable by the law because for whatever reason, he's already literally been pardoned.
00:58:54.000 Oh, yeah.
00:59:00.000 So here's the issue if he came out and said, yes, we did these things, it would implicate other people.
00:59:06.000 So he can either choose to lie and then get perjured, perjure himself, or he can just plead the fifth when he's not legally allowed to do that and get held in contempt.
00:59:14.000 So he's chosen the contempt route.
00:59:16.000 That mafia is like the business, the bureaucratic liberal order, this global homogeny.
00:59:21.000 It's come out of Switzerland.
00:59:23.000 Someone had told Senator Paul that there's a diary on a government.
00:59:27.000 Oh, yeah.
00:59:27.000 I mean, so to your point.
00:59:28.000 But let's clarify this too.
00:59:29.000 It's not even a diary.
00:59:30.000 It was his public notes.
00:59:32.000 That's all it was.
00:59:33.000 So I also take issue with the framing as a diary because it makes it sound like he was writing in a book and then someone snatched it.
00:59:39.000 These were public records that he was tracking what was going on during COVID in his capacity as a government actor.
00:59:48.000 These are public records available to the public to be released to the public.
00:59:51.000 No one snatched his diary up and then leaked it.
00:59:53.000 Yeah, and I wasn't seeing that in a lot of the coverage.
00:59:55.000 I was like, when I was first reading the story, I was like, where did these.
00:59:58.000 Diary?
00:59:59.000 What?
00:59:59.000 Did someone like go to his house?
01:00:00.000 Like, it was very unclear what the source was, which is relevant.
01:00:04.000 Well, so here's one of the issues, again, I have with the left right distinction in media is that when I say Fauci lied about the origins of the virus in his public writings in 2020,
01:00:15.000 he acknowledged that the market was not the likely location for the generation of the virus.
01:00:21.000 And that he also had emails from, I think it was someone from EcoHealth Alliance, that they believed it came from the lab.
01:00:28.000 So this was the best evidence they have that he ordered it suppressed.
01:00:32.000 And he was also behind the funding illicitly because the US government had banned this.
01:00:37.000 I will be called right wing for saying that.
01:00:40.000 That is right wing to state a fact.
01:00:42.000 And they'll say, if anything, well, story selection.
01:00:46.000 I kind of think that the biggest government lockdown authoritarian action, unconstitutional actions, and mass death we've seen in generations is not partisan to choose to report on it.
01:00:58.000 But we are in an interesting place now in our culture where if you accurately point out what Fauci did, you are called biased.
01:01:06.000 And the media just won't even cover it.
01:01:07.000 Well, this happened on Monday night on Abby Phillips' show on CNN.
01:01:13.000 And whoever was the right wing commentator said, Do we want to talk about Fauci's diaries?
01:01:21.000 Because that seems to be like the whole story.
01:01:23.000 And Phillips said, Nope, we're not going to discuss that.
01:01:26.000 We're not going to discuss that.
01:01:28.000 Cackle, cackle, cackle, bark, bark, bark between the panelists.
01:01:31.000 We're not discussing that.
01:01:32.000 They all started yelling at her at once.
01:01:32.000 It was worse than that.
01:01:34.000 So she couldn't even say one single word.
01:01:34.000 Exactly.
01:01:36.000 Yeah.
01:01:36.000 The reason you do this, and there is media training for this.
01:01:40.000 Is do not let them speak.
01:01:42.000 So, what you'll see at protests, the common thing the leftists would do is called the mic check.
01:01:47.000 If you walk up and said something, they would all just go, mic check, mic check, mic, to make sure you can't talk.
01:01:53.000 So, when you watch that CNN clip, I should pull it up, and she says, What about Fauci's diary?
01:01:57.000 They immediately all go, so that no words can be said.
01:02:00.000 Yeah, it's, but then Philip says, We still don't know if it hasn't been proven that the origin was a lap.
01:02:10.000 And so, this was on a subsequent night.
01:02:13.000 So it's like, it's almost like Candace Owens esque.
01:02:17.000 Like, yeah.
01:02:17.000 No matter what, it had a lot of Candace Owens energy to it.
01:02:21.000 Like, no matter what.
01:02:22.000 I don't know if this is the.
01:02:23.000 Because, like, you're showing.
01:02:25.000 We still haven't proved his gravity.
01:02:26.000 We still don't have all the evidence to prove that gravity is real.
01:02:29.000 It's still a theory.
01:02:29.000 This is not.
01:02:30.000 I mean, they do have.
01:02:31.000 The names came down.
01:02:33.000 They claimed it was an accident of some kind of glitch.
01:02:37.000 But then they did not restore them to where they should be.
01:02:40.000 They put them in a different place.
01:02:41.000 Right.
01:02:42.000 So I'd like to see that restored.
01:02:45.000 I'd like to see that restored.
01:02:46.000 I think that.
01:02:47.000 We need to have transparency around what's going on.
01:02:50.000 I think one situation that, frankly, where we saw the government was certainly obfuscating, didn't have any transparency, was Anthony Fauci, who we're getting his diaries today, where he was purposely obfuscating about.
01:03:04.000 And now everyone's just yelling, so she can't say anything.
01:03:06.000 No, that's actually something where we know he was purposely obfuscating.
01:03:10.000 We're sitting here talking about Americans who were killed in theater, okay, as a result of a war.
01:03:17.000 We are not going to pivot.
01:03:19.000 To Anthony Fauci's diaries.
01:03:21.000 That's a big deal.
01:03:22.000 I wonder if the diary was put forward by liberal actors to discredit them.
01:03:27.000 Because it sounds like Ashley Biden's diary is what I thought.
01:03:30.000 If you say Fauci's private correspondence during COVID or Fauci's public writings as an actor from the government, these are things the public should have access to.
01:03:40.000 Public records and stuff.
01:03:41.000 Yeah, the press has framed it as his private diary, and it's not.
01:03:46.000 It's on government.
01:03:47.000 It's owned by the public and available for public reading, and it's just shocking.
01:03:51.000 Man.
01:03:52.000 He also, I think it's abhorrent how he wrote in a.
01:03:55.000 He violated confidentiality by writing about Barbra Streisand's ass sores.
01:04:00.000 I mean, it's embarrassingly funny to a certain degree, but I'm serious.
01:04:04.000 Like, he's the guy who, how dare he write in a public record available for the public to see about Barbra Streisand having ass sores from shingles?
01:04:12.000 HIPAA violation.
01:04:13.000 I was, I was, I was, I was stunned at the amount of obsession with himself, but then, but that surprised.
01:04:20.000 Um, this was the same guy who sat for an in style, full profile shot, sunglasses on at the pool.
01:04:29.000 During a pandemic.
01:04:30.000 Okay, I got to pause you there.
01:04:31.000 That he was supposed to manage.
01:04:33.000 How about the.
01:04:36.000 How about Fauci having a painting of himself?
01:04:38.000 What?
01:04:39.000 Yeah, so this is.
01:04:41.000 This has been on up for a while.
01:04:42.000 This is Snopes.
01:04:43.000 He's actually writing in his.
01:04:45.000 Does Fauci's home office feature a painting of Fauci?
01:04:47.000 Mostly true.
01:04:50.000 This is what I can't handle with Snopes, right?
01:04:50.000 Mostly true?
01:04:52.000 It's literally true.
01:04:54.000 Here's him in his office with a picture of himself three times.
01:04:57.000 What?
01:04:58.000 What's missing?
01:04:59.000 And they're like, well, it is there.
01:05:00.000 Now, Mike Cernovich made a great point.
01:05:02.000 Guys.
01:05:03.000 Don't dig too much into this.
01:05:04.000 If his daughter painted a picture of him and he hung it on his wall, that's not like, you know what I mean?
01:05:08.000 Like, I have a statue of myself that I commissioned.
01:05:08.000 Right.
01:05:11.000 At least one.
01:05:11.000 At least one.
01:05:12.000 No, I'm kidding.
01:05:13.000 Someone actually did send a bust of me to the studio, and I was like, I appreciate it, but I do not want that.
01:05:19.000 I have one of my old headshots, but Raymond set it up right outside my office.
01:05:23.000 Considering, however, so when this story came out, Mike made a great point saying, if his daughter painted this picture and he hung it up, are you going to rag on him for it?
01:05:32.000 And I said, right.
01:05:32.000 Like, let's get more context.
01:05:34.000 Now that we read the context in his public writings, where he's like, me.
01:05:37.000 Right.
01:05:38.000 Me.
01:05:38.000 I'm like, okay, yeah, that's him.
01:05:39.000 But why is Snope saying that it's mostly true?
01:05:42.000 Like, what are they saying here?
01:05:44.000 A viral image shows a portrait of Dr. Fauci hanging out on the wall of Fauci's office.
01:05:48.000 While the portion of his image showing the portrait is real, other aspects of the viral image were manipulated.
01:05:52.000 So, is that the viral image that they're saying was manipulated?
01:05:56.000 I don't know.
01:05:56.000 Oh, is that what they're saying?
01:05:57.000 It's a genuine image of Fauci in his office.
01:06:01.000 The red circles in this image highlight a portrait.
01:06:04.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
01:06:05.000 That was the manipulation is the red circles?
01:06:08.000 That's the math.
01:06:08.000 Yeah.
01:06:11.000 No,
01:06:13.000 I think that's what it is.
01:06:14.000 The portrait was painted by Joan Baez.
01:06:16.000 Now, I'd hang a portrait of myself painted by Joan Baez on the wall.
01:06:19.000 I would too.
01:06:20.000 I would too.
01:06:20.000 That's awesome.
01:06:23.000 I'm blaming for that one.
01:06:24.000 Well, that's what Mike was saying.
01:06:26.000 It's like, you know, are we really going to rag on him because someone, you know?
01:06:30.000 But again, but looking back, I mean, that's easy to say in that moment.
01:06:30.000 So, yeah.
01:06:35.000 But now that we've learned about every single interview, Zoom call, phone call, email correspondence that he had with a major, minor celebrity, he basically transcribed it all.
01:06:47.000 And meanwhile, well, I'm just tasked with managing the government's response to a pandemic.
01:06:55.000 And he was more interested in writing about how Kim Kardashian loved his Zoom call.
01:07:01.000 I mean, it's almost redundant when he said, I am the science.
01:07:04.000 He told the world he was.
01:07:06.000 Like, that's the most psychotic thing any doctor could ever say.
01:07:10.000 One of the most psychotic things a doctor could tell you.
01:07:12.000 It's also.
01:07:14.000 Oh, my God.
01:07:15.000 This is what Snopes does.
01:07:16.000 I call this out all the time.
01:07:20.000 They play these games because these people.
01:07:21.000 I'm sorry.
01:07:22.000 I'm going to tell you right now.
01:07:23.000 Evil.
01:07:23.000 This is evil.
01:07:23.000 Okay.
01:07:25.000 Does Fauci's home office feature a painting of Fauci?
01:07:27.000 It's not mostly true.
01:07:29.000 It is definitively factually true.
01:07:30.000 And the reason why they put mostly is because somewhere else, as a joke, someone put a picture of Fauci sitting at.
01:07:38.000 Look at this.
01:07:39.000 This is what they're.
01:07:40.000 Someone edited the image so that they made it a recursive loop where on Fauci's screen, it's the image of Fauci sitting at his own desk.
01:07:50.000 They took the image, put it on the screen, and made a recursive loop as a joke.
01:07:55.000 That is not the fact being challenged.
01:07:58.000 And they put mostly true to add doubt.
01:08:02.000 And they added to the end of the story.
01:08:04.000 What Snopes does all the time is they will write, so Donald Trump will walk out into the Rose Garden and do a perfect round off back layout.
01:08:14.000 You know what that is?
01:08:15.000 No.
01:08:15.000 It looks like a cartwheel followed by a backflip.
01:08:18.000 And then everyone will go, oh my, Trump just did a round off back layout right there in front of everybody.
01:08:24.000 The video will go viral.
01:08:25.000 Everyone on social media will see it.
01:08:28.000 CNN will then go on TV and say it never happened.
01:08:31.000 MS Now will say Trump fell down.
01:08:33.000 It was embarrassing.
01:08:34.000 They'll say Trump went outside and did a tumble and stumbled.
01:08:37.000 Ha ha ha.
01:08:38.000 And then Snopes will write Did Donald Trump do a perfect round off back layout in the Rose Garden?
01:08:44.000 Dot dot dot on Sunday.
01:08:47.000 False.
01:08:48.000 Then it will write this big long thing about what a round off back layout is, what Trump was doing.
01:08:52.000 Then at the very bottom, it'll say While Trump did perform a perfect round off back layout in front of a crowd of onlookers on Sunday, On Monday, it was not on Saturday.
01:09:01.000 The thing is, manipulating people to your will isn't always evil.
01:09:05.000 It's just, if you're evil and you think you're doing good, it's evil.
01:09:08.000 But if you are good and you think you're doing good, it's good.
01:09:11.000 Evil's evil.
01:09:13.000 Well, it's hard to define it, though, because if you're doing good, then wouldn't it not be evil?
01:09:16.000 Well, some people are doing evil, but they think, let's put it this way.
01:09:19.000 Most people that are doing evil think they're doing good.
01:09:21.000 That's speculative.
01:09:22.000 We don't know that's true.
01:09:23.000 I think generally people think they're the hero in their story, but.
01:09:27.000 Sure, but that's different from doing evil and doing good.
01:09:29.000 So let's say there's a guy and he's like, We need a water reservoir.
01:09:33.000 Every year, our town goes through a drought in the summer and end of summer, and we go without water.
01:09:39.000 We should build a reservoir.
01:09:40.000 So he goes to his buddies and says, I'm going to build a small dam so that we can have it, it will create a pool of water which will persist into this dry period at the end of summer.
01:09:52.000 And so he goes and he builds it, thinking, This is going to save my people.
01:09:54.000 And then the village floods and he kills everybody.
01:09:55.000 That's not evil.
01:09:56.000 That's the story.
01:09:57.000 That's an accident.
01:09:58.000 Now, the guy goes, Hmm, I want to build a dam to have a large reservoir for myself.
01:10:04.000 It's going to kill everyone in the village.
01:10:06.000 I will lie to them so that they let me do it and help me do it.
01:10:09.000 And then he goes and does, everyone dies, and then he has his water.
01:10:12.000 That's evil.
01:10:12.000 That's William Mulholland.
01:10:14.000 He went north to the Owens River Valley of LA.
01:10:16.000 He tricked the farmers to signing away their water rights, and then he diverted their water to Los Angeles.
01:10:21.000 So they named a street after him, Mulholland Drive.
01:10:24.000 He's a hero.
01:10:25.000 He's a beloved hero in Los Angeles, but he's an evil villain to the farmers.
01:10:29.000 So that's still different.
01:10:30.000 You're seeming to say that he had the intent.
01:10:33.000 Indeed.
01:10:33.000 Yeah.
01:10:34.000 So it's all evil about intent.
01:10:36.000 So, uh, I think to a great degree, not always, because there's the banality of evil.
01:10:40.000 But typically, how I would define it, because of course, we're going to be subjective and biased on this one.
01:10:46.000 My point is an individual who's attempting to help everybody who accidentally causes a problem that hurts people isn't engaged in evil.
01:10:53.000 It's more an accident.
01:10:55.000 It's not even necessarily stupid to say you want a water reservoir.
01:10:57.000 That's smart.
01:10:58.000 But he couldn't foresee the flood would kill everybody.
01:11:00.000 And now he lives with that guilt and shame for the rest of his life.
01:11:03.000 What I see with Fauci, though, let's be clear.
01:11:06.000 He is evil.
01:11:06.000 Why?
01:11:07.000 He knew he was lying and he kept lying because it felt good for him and not for anybody else.
01:11:12.000 He wasn't benefiting the greater public.
01:11:14.000 He wasn't benefiting his community.
01:11:16.000 He wasn't benefiting some other country or even a small pocket of individuals.
01:11:20.000 He was benefiting solely himself for his emotional satisfaction and to avoid liability.
01:11:25.000 And he killed people because of it.
01:11:27.000 That's evil.
01:11:28.000 And there's no convincing him of that.
01:11:31.000 Oh, no, no.
01:11:32.000 He knows.
01:11:36.000 I do not believe it is reasonable.
01:11:38.000 That this man is not cognizant of what he did, right?
01:11:41.000 It's like that scene in Superman.
01:11:43.000 Did you see the new Superman movie?
01:11:44.000 Where Superman's talking to Lex over the radio and he says, The truth is, Lex, that you're jealous.
01:11:50.000 And then Lex goes, duh, I know.
01:11:53.000 You think I'm a child?
01:11:54.000 I know I'm jealous of your power.
01:11:55.000 Fauci knows exactly what he's doing.
01:11:57.000 It just feels good for him.
01:11:58.000 I think, to him, I believe that he thinks, well, I've testified in front of Congress 200 times.
01:12:06.000 Therefore, I've done no wrong.
01:12:09.000 I've put all this out there.
01:12:11.000 I don't think so.
01:12:11.000 I think if that were the case, he wouldn't have pled the fifth.
01:12:14.000 Pleaded.
01:12:14.000 Sorry, pleaded grammatically earlier.
01:12:16.000 Well, that's his lawyers.
01:12:19.000 I mean, say what you want about them, but their job is to.
01:12:22.000 Reduce to the absolute minimum any potential punishment their client could.
01:12:28.000 No, you know, they're going to test this theory out, and it's never really been tested.
01:12:32.000 You know, what really bothered me about that hearing?
01:12:35.000 Let's start with the surface level.
01:12:38.000 It accomplished nothing.
01:12:41.000 He invoked the fifth, and then we sat there and he got yelled at.
01:12:45.000 It champions him among the left who are making him out to a martyr.
01:12:48.000 Where you know, what's his face, Levin from TMZ is crying, Harvey, and then on the right.
01:12:55.000 You're not learning anything new.
01:12:56.000 We already know this stuff.
01:12:58.000 So it was a large WWE waste of time, in my opinion.
01:13:01.000 Now, what I would have done, and the reason why no one with any level of intelligence or comprehension, the reason why they would never let me anywhere near Congress, the Senate, or otherwise, is because I would have said,
01:13:15.000 Dr. Fauci, when you killed those three people, did you solicit help from the government to cover up the murders you committed?
01:13:24.000 Or are you going to plead the fifth right now to avoid implicating yourself in that crime?
01:13:28.000 I can't answer that on behalf of my counsel.
01:13:31.000 Because the point is, it's a Kafka trap.
01:13:33.000 When he then says, under the advice of counsel, I'm pleading the fifth, he's now walked into a rhetorical trick, which admittedly is only, it's going to just embolden people on the right.
01:13:43.000 But that's kind of the point to antagonize.
01:13:45.000 Or it's going to force him to say, how dare you, I never killed anybody.
01:13:48.000 What?
01:13:49.000 You ask a loaded question to accuse him, forcing him to break from the traditional, under advice of counsel, I'm respectfully invoking my fifth amendment, right?
01:13:57.000 Ask him something that he has to reject.
01:13:59.000 Has to.
01:14:02.000 When you abused those beagles, right, which is a fact, he did.
01:14:06.000 You guys all know the story, right?
01:14:07.000 He had flies eating their faces.
01:14:08.000 Flies, I think, yeah.
01:14:09.000 Yeah, and so you just get real heavy with it.
01:14:13.000 You know?
01:14:14.000 But for him, I think the whole time he's sitting there is like, if I deviate, they will kill me in my sleep tonight.
01:14:19.000 So all he's doing is just saying, I plead the fifth, I plead the fifth, I plead the fifth, get me out of here, waiting for the fifth.
01:14:24.000 Well, listen, you're not going to win a conflict against someone as evil as Fauci and the people behind him by sitting there being like, oh, rats, he's not going to answer my question.
01:14:32.000 I mean, people, the argument that he would make, though, is like, I didn't answer any questions because I'd been there.
01:14:37.000 I pled the fifth because I was not going to answer questions.
01:14:40.000 Which is why you load the question.
01:14:41.000 Well, yeah, but.
01:14:42.000 Because it creates the soundbite you're looking for.
01:14:44.000 Well, fair enough.
01:14:44.000 But that doesn't.
01:14:45.000 If you want Fauci to say, I lied or to lie now, what is the function of the hearing?
01:14:52.000 You want Fauci to say something on camera that exposes him.
01:14:56.000 Well, he's not going to give that to you.
01:14:57.000 And at worst, he's going to get three months in jail for contempt.
01:15:00.000 So get your soundbite.
01:15:01.000 If that's all you really wanted and he's not playing fair and they're liars and they're evil and they're manipulators, Guys, take a PR class.
01:15:08.000 Fauci, when you personally murdered that child, did you solicit anyone in the government to help you cover it up, or are you going to invoke the Fifth Amendment to prevent you from being implicated in the murder of the child that you committed?
01:15:19.000 So his only choice is to break from the Fifth Amendment line or play into your Kafka trap.
01:15:25.000 I'm not going to plead the Fifth.
01:15:25.000 Get your soundbite.
01:15:27.000 I'm going to plead the Fifth and not answer the question.
01:15:29.000 And then you say, Whoa, this is weird.
01:15:33.000 What made you just change your response is something that I said.
01:15:37.000 Causing you to feel fear or anxiety?
01:15:40.000 Because you were answering every single question with a scripted line and all of a sudden you changed it.
01:15:46.000 I hope there's, you know, if no consequences for him,
01:15:53.000 I hope that there's, that the medical community, hospital systems, we've talked a little bit about this off air.
01:15:59.000 Hospital systems across the country, I think, were ashamed and aghast at what they saw the other day.
01:16:05.000 Because if science is supposed to be the lead dog, the lead foot here that you take and you're supposed to trust it, you can't.
01:16:14.000 Its reputation is destroyed.
01:16:16.000 Big medicines.
01:16:17.000 Reputation is destroyed.
01:16:19.000 He was their hero.
01:16:21.000 He was the guy, he's the top paid bureaucrat in the city.
01:16:26.000 He testified over 200 times.
01:16:28.000 He's holding celebrity Zoom calls.
01:16:32.000 He was the alpha and the omega of so many public policy decisions that were made by the federal government.
01:16:41.000 I hope, I mean, we've watched, I think we all have families here.
01:16:46.000 There's no.
01:16:48.000 We've watched our local pediatricians just go out of business and have to just fold to hospital systems and big corporate healthcare.
01:16:57.000 Now you don't trust any of that anymore.
01:16:59.000 And I hope there's a return to a family doctor experience across the country.
01:17:05.000 I just were trying to verify to make sure that.
01:17:07.000 But the speech and debate clause protects you, it grants you great immunity as a member of Congress in hearings.
01:17:12.000 They could have literally gone up on that and said, Dr. Fauci, you murdered a child with your bare hands.
01:17:19.000 And we want you to answer for it.
01:17:21.000 And you can't be sued.
01:17:22.000 You can't be held liable in any way because members of Congress are immune from defamation suits.
01:17:26.000 But there would be an article written and be like, Rand Paul accuses Fauci of murder.
01:17:32.000 Yeah.
01:17:32.000 Which that's already been written.
01:17:34.000 That's true.
01:17:38.000 You just put Fauci.
01:17:39.000 Fauci, when you told Governor Cuomo to murder those elderly people, were you concerned about your request that he murder those people being exposed?
01:17:48.000 Or are you going to invoke the fifth right now to avoid implicating yourself in that crime?
01:17:53.000 And then he's going to be like, okay, well, hold on.
01:17:55.000 This is where it gets interesting.
01:17:57.000 Did Fauci actually tell Cuomo to do that?
01:18:00.000 Because the article then is Rand Paul says, Rand Paul.
01:18:04.000 So, first of all, you're not standing upon a pedestal and then asserting a fact.
01:18:08.000 You're asking him a question.
01:18:09.000 The question is loaded.
01:18:10.000 The question implies a thing to be true, and that is that Cuomo didn't intentionally kill those people.
01:18:15.000 Fauci told him to do it.
01:18:16.000 Now, is Fauci going to want to have on the record that there is a loaded implication that he's the one who told Cuomo to murder those elderly people?
01:18:24.000 So, you force him to break from the line, I plead the fifth.
01:18:27.000 Because when he pleads the fifth, you then come out and said, as we all know, Chris, not Chris, I'm sorry, Governor Cuomo, not Chris, his brother, put COVID patients in nursing homes, which resulted in the death of an estimated 15,000 people.
01:18:41.000 Fauci did it.
01:18:42.000 Fauci's the one who said, kill those people.
01:18:44.000 You're protected from defamation.
01:18:45.000 The story is true, not that Fauci did it.
01:18:48.000 The story is true that Cuomo did it.
01:18:50.000 But the implication that Fauci was involved is believable, plausible, and Fauci will be forced to issue a statement.
01:18:55.000 I don't think you could get anything out of him.
01:18:56.000 I think he would have pled that.
01:18:57.000 Fifth, same on the advice of counsel.
01:18:58.000 Because when Rand Paul, let me just pause you real quick.
01:19:01.000 I am acknowledging that.
01:19:02.000 That is my point.
01:19:03.000 My point is.
01:19:04.000 Get on record.
01:19:05.000 You know, you've created a circumstance where he has no choice but to at some point come out and challenge what was said.
01:19:10.000 I don't think he would ever have to.
01:19:11.000 In that case, the narrative becomes that Fauci is the one who murdered those people.
01:19:14.000 Or that he's a made man above the law, which is kind of obvious anyway.
01:19:18.000 Fauci is terrified of losing his legacy.
01:19:21.000 That's my point.
01:19:23.000 He doesn't know.
01:19:23.000 And his life.
01:19:24.000 Yeah, those two things.
01:19:25.000 Sure.
01:19:25.000 I mean, I think it's fair to say that.
01:19:29.000 He'd find a polonium sandwich if he ever crossed these people.
01:19:33.000 Dude, he pled the fifth to what day is it?
01:19:35.000 Like, that is some throwing it in the covers.
01:19:38.000 The point was he's just not saying anything.
01:19:40.000 He's not answering any questions.
01:19:41.000 He did plead the fifth to what day is it?
01:19:43.000 You pled the fifth to what color is the carpet in front of me?
01:19:46.000 Like, that's total.
01:19:48.000 I mean, that's flouting the law.
01:19:49.000 That's like saying, you have no control over me, Congress.
01:19:52.000 You have nothing to do with me.
01:19:53.000 And it also proves that it's not a fear of an incrimination, it's a fear of something else.
01:19:59.000 You're never going to get found to be perjured because you misidentified the appropriative red of the carpet.
01:20:05.000 Yeah, that was really cool.
01:20:08.000 It's mauve?
01:20:09.000 Maroon!
01:20:10.000 You're under arrest!
01:20:11.000 That's not going to happen.
01:20:11.000 You lied.
01:20:12.000 It's like, I thought it was.
01:20:13.000 Actually, I don't even.
01:20:14.000 I thought it was like purple.
01:20:14.000 Is mauve brown?
01:20:17.000 Is the Fauci thing just like the thing?
01:20:19.000 Oh, yeah, it's like a thing.
01:20:19.000 It's like purple.
01:20:20.000 Let it go, move on.
01:20:21.000 It's like a periwinkle.
01:20:22.000 Because Epstein stuff is like that, too.
01:20:23.000 The Epstein files, I'm like, that's just like dirty, dark, secretive data that.
01:20:28.000 No, I'd like to see the constitutional question get answered, the legality of what he did.
01:20:35.000 That's going to have to get worked through the courts.
01:20:40.000 I would disagree.
01:20:41.000 I think his reputation is destroyed.
01:20:43.000 Not on the left.
01:20:44.000 They're crying for him on TV.
01:20:46.000 Not on the left.
01:20:48.000 If you loved him, okay, so you've got the TMC guy.
01:20:48.000 Fine.
01:20:53.000 But you got a lot of people scattering.
01:20:57.000 Look, here's the problem.
01:20:58.000 You say it's got to go through the courts.
01:21:00.000 That's what it has to.
01:21:01.000 I just genuine curiosity like, how do you do that?
01:21:05.000 The right's worldview is we must adjudicate.
01:21:08.000 The left's worldview is the law is what we say it is.
01:21:11.000 Right.
01:21:12.000 That's true.
01:21:13.000 As far as Fauci goes, though, I mean, a lot of times lawyers say if you're going to stand on the fifth, you don't answer anything, right?
01:21:19.000 There are no questions that you answer.
01:21:21.000 If you're going to plead the fifth, you don't say anything at all.
01:21:24.000 Now, granted, Like, I understand your point.
01:21:26.000 It's like he was saying to Congress, I'm not playing this, I'm not going to engage in this.
01:21:33.000 And you can make your own decisions about the morality or whatever.
01:21:36.000 Just get a little sign with a fifth written on it, and then you can just go.
01:21:42.000 The Chappelle bit.
01:21:44.000 Fifth.
01:21:45.000 Yeah.
01:21:45.000 I mean, there's no point in sitting there saying the same line over and over again.
01:21:47.000 111 times they counted.
01:21:48.000 Because they say, like, one of the things that I just Googled it, and they say, once you clearly invoke your rights, you must stop talking immediately.
01:21:56.000 When you're in front of Congress, you're not allowed to stop talking.
01:21:58.000 So you have to continuously invoke your right.
01:22:01.000 I don't think you have to do that.
01:22:02.000 That's the advice.
01:22:04.000 I'm fairly certain any legal context, a judge is going to be like, we understand that Fauci has said he would plead the fifth on all questions from this point forward.
01:22:10.000 Well, Congress wasn't going to, the Senate wasn't going to stop asking questions.
01:22:12.000 Indeed.
01:22:12.000 And he can just say, fifth.
01:22:16.000 You can go like this.
01:22:18.000 One over five.
01:22:19.000 You could literally just be like, at the first question, for this question you are asking and for all other questions asked, just presume my response is, I invoke my Fifth Amendment right.
01:22:29.000 To not answer this question.
01:22:30.000 And then just stop.
01:22:33.000 But then it's just all theater.
01:22:33.000 It's all WWE.
01:22:34.000 Unfortunately, we're not able to assume anything, Mr. Fauci.
01:22:37.000 So, how are you feeling?
01:22:39.000 I plead the faith.
01:22:41.000 You know, they should have asked him if you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt?
01:22:46.000 How gay are you?
01:22:47.000 That's a good question.
01:22:48.000 I ask myself every morning.
01:22:50.000 Dr. Fauci, you came to me before this hearing and told me that you found me sexually attractive.
01:22:56.000 Would you like to state for the record now how attractive on a scale of one to 10?
01:22:59.000 Or are they just going to make a decision?
01:23:00.000 I plead the fifth.
01:23:02.000 Well, I can respect Fauci.
01:23:02.000 Whoa.
01:23:04.000 No kissing and telling you.
01:23:05.000 So, should they have him back to Congress and just humiliate him by telling him how attractive he is for like an hour?
01:23:10.000 And just like totally make a mockery of him?
01:23:12.000 Members of Congress are.
01:23:13.000 They're going to mock the process.
01:23:14.000 Members of Congress can say anything they want with impunity.
01:23:17.000 Like, they're immune from civil claims and for what they say.
01:23:21.000 This is one of the, not the first, but an egregious example of people being above the law.
01:23:27.000 You feel like, what would you like to plead, Dr. Fauci?
01:23:30.000 He's like, The fifth could get a different answer that way, or I don't know.
01:23:35.000 Yeah, I mean, he made it a point to not answer any questions, and everything they ask, he's just like.
01:23:44.000 Let's talk about the invasion of Spain.
01:23:47.000 We got this from the Washington Post.
01:23:48.000 Migrants overrun a Spanish outpost.
01:23:53.000 Is that biased?
01:23:54.000 Yeah.
01:23:56.000 We ask our all sides expert stirring European outrage.
01:24:01.000 So, wow, it's not an outpost.
01:24:04.000 Guys, Ceuta, Spain has been a part of Spain since 1580.
01:24:09.000 It was a part of Spain longer than the current government of Morocco existed by about 50 years.
01:24:16.000 48,000 to 60,000 people stormed into Ceuta.
01:24:22.000 This is, I would describe this as the most shocking and egregious thing we've seen so far as it pertains to mass migration.
01:24:29.000 I'm going to explain why.
01:24:31.000 A handful of boats, even thousands of boats, all across the Mediterranean, ferrying dozens to hundreds of people into various countries, mass migration.
01:24:39.000 Causes problems, bad.
01:24:42.000 60,000 people from one country storming into a territory of a foreign country is an act of war.
01:24:50.000 It's an invasion.
01:24:52.000 It is not mass migration.
01:24:54.000 What we are seeing is recolonization.
01:24:57.000 It is not actually, it's not even, it's conquer.
01:25:01.000 It's conquering, it's colonization.
01:25:02.000 Reconquista.
01:25:03.000 Suta was a part of, was Portuguese in the, and it was part of Spain in the 1400s.
01:25:09.000 Portugal broke off.
01:25:11.000 Spanish letters came down and it officially became Spain in 1580.
01:25:15.000 Morocco's government, as the current dynasty, is, I believe, like 1632.
01:25:19.000 So this is older than Morocco.
01:25:21.000 It is not land that was taken from the Moroccans.
01:25:24.000 For them to invade now, to try and take it, that's just a straight up invasion.
01:25:29.000 I think the Spanish took it from the Abbasid Empire, one of those.
01:25:33.000 What, 1430?
01:25:35.000 Yeah, they took it from like an Islamic caliphate back in the day.
01:25:38.000 There was always battles over land.
01:25:39.000 The caliphate took half of Spain.
01:25:41.000 Well, there was the Jihad.
01:25:42.000 There was like 500 years where Islam was.
01:25:45.000 Predominant in Spain, but before that, Spain was Spain.
01:25:49.000 Yeah, it was mostly European.
01:25:51.000 It was like Spanish is actually all European because it's in Europe.
01:25:54.000 Spanish is Arabic Latin mix.
01:25:56.000 We were talking about CBS earlier, their morning show today.
01:26:00.000 Their co hosts were arguing that you got to remember, guys, they're just looking for a better life.
01:26:05.000 Did you show the video last night of the.
01:26:08.000 They're looking for a better life at the Spanish people's expense, though.
01:26:12.000 Right.
01:26:12.000 And honestly, at the rest of Europe's expense.
01:26:14.000 But not conquest, not takeover, just a better life.
01:26:17.000 It was chilling.
01:26:18.000 Did you show the video on the show last night?
01:26:20.000 Of the gates rushing in.
01:26:21.000 We talked about it.
01:26:22.000 I don't think we actually got to play any videos.
01:26:23.000 When you see the video of them pouring through the gates and this could happen in my town and being physically violent, this is crazy.
01:26:30.000 Like if this happened in your city, you realize they just keep coming.
01:26:34.000 It's not water, it's not a tsunami, it's human beings who have opposable thumbs.
01:26:39.000 The police are putting up walls around grocery stores because the migrants have begun breaking into grocery stores because they don't have anything.
01:26:47.000 They came in with nothing in their garage.
01:26:48.000 It's an evasion.
01:26:49.000 They're like breaking into homes and stuff.
01:26:49.000 Yeah.
01:26:50.000 Mm hmm.
01:26:51.000 This is the first time I've really seen an act of migration as an invasion.
01:26:55.000 How do you stop it?
01:26:56.000 You bust out the military and start opening fire.
01:26:59.000 I mean, that's the only way.
01:27:01.000 You have to call in the National Guard to protect the homeland.
01:27:03.000 Other than that, you ask them opening fire, but these are unarmed migrants looking for a better life.
01:27:07.000 If there's an invasion on your territory and you're asking me as a military, as a commander, what I would order, that would be something like defend the homeland with weapons.
01:27:16.000 I would say this in any historical context, the immediate response from any government seeing this would be.
01:27:16.000 Yes.
01:27:25.000 Butterfly trigger 50 BMGs.
01:27:27.000 Yeah, just to make an example immediately, so they stop, basically.
01:27:29.000 However, it's not an example.
01:27:32.000 Historically, they just wipe them out.
01:27:34.000 We do not have the social capabilities these days to do anything to stop this.
01:27:40.000 In fact, I think the PM of Spain said, told the guard to stand down.
01:27:44.000 That's one of the more concerning things.
01:27:45.000 He told the military and the police to stand down and let it happen.
01:27:47.000 What I'm saying is, there is no action you can take that would solve this problem.
01:27:54.000 Because if you used physical force against these people, you're going to be accused of beating innocent migrants.
01:27:59.000 The media would come out against you.
01:28:00.000 You'd never win an election again.
01:28:02.000 Special interests would dump money against you.
01:28:04.000 You'd probably lose your life to extremists.
01:28:05.000 It is.
01:28:06.000 It is crazy to think that governments have become so emotionally neutered that they can't order violence on invaders.
01:28:16.000 I understand that that's a contextual argument that some people would not consider these people invaders.
01:28:23.000 But I mean, I imagine it's going to get to a point where there's going to be something like this, and a government will order the guys to open fire, and it'll be a snap.
01:28:30.000 It'll be bloody.
01:28:31.000 It'll be the whole world will see it.
01:28:33.000 It will set a new precedent of the 21st century.
01:28:36.000 Never going to happen.
01:28:37.000 No way.
01:28:37.000 But how countries, I don't see them continuously allowing mass just invasion.
01:28:42.000 I mean, this is an act of violence and war against Spain for sure.
01:28:46.000 What in recent history gives you any indication that they won't continue to allow it?
01:28:46.000 And they'll do it in a way.
01:28:53.000 Well, in the past 10 years, what have you seen out of Europe that gives you an indication that they're going to stop this?
01:29:01.000 I'm just looking at human nature.
01:29:03.000 Like over time, like eventually a government like a little more conservative, Italy, for instance.
01:29:10.000 You know, Georgia Maloney was like, We are not allowing this stuff.
01:29:13.000 You better believe we're not allowing this.
01:29:15.000 And I think if they did this in Italy, you might see the National Guard open fire.
01:29:21.000 If 70,000 people showed up on the shores of Destin, Florida in tugboats, what would Trump do?
01:29:29.000 What would DeSantis do?
01:29:30.000 You don't think he'd order?
01:29:30.000 Nothing.
01:29:32.000 Nothing.
01:29:33.000 70,000?
01:29:34.000 That's a lot.
01:29:35.000 That's what we're talking about.
01:29:36.000 How many people came through Texas?
01:29:41.000 And what did we see Texas do?
01:29:43.000 First, they tried to put up barriers.
01:29:45.000 Then the Biden administration removed those barriers, and Texas stood there and watched.
01:29:49.000 So, what would DeSantis do?
01:29:51.000 He'd send out National Guard to stand there and watch.
01:29:53.000 I think the thing about this is how shocking it all happened at once.
01:29:55.000 Like the Texas invasion was over four years.
01:29:58.000 No, no, no, no.
01:29:59.000 You're wrong.
01:30:00.000 Underreported, but this is like a wave of humans.
01:30:03.000 How do you not have intel that that's coming?
01:30:05.000 What do you think the caravans were?
01:30:06.000 There were caravans.
01:30:08.000 There were caravans of hundreds of thousands all marching in at once.
01:30:12.000 They were running through the barriers.
01:30:13.000 Punching cops and beating our border guards.
01:30:17.000 We covered all of this.
01:30:18.000 And the Biden administration physically removed the barriers to allow them to do it.
01:30:21.000 And then CBP stood there and watched, and the Texas State Guard stood there and watched.
01:30:25.000 But what would Trump do?
01:30:26.000 Nothing.
01:30:27.000 Well, I mean, think about it.
01:30:28.000 You really believe that?
01:30:29.000 Yes, absolutely.
01:30:30.000 Trump would.
01:30:32.000 What I'm saying is the actions Trump would take would not involve anything pertaining to violence against 70,000 people.
01:30:41.000 It would be more so like, this is ridiculous.
01:30:44.000 Congress needs to pass a law immediately to build construction on a new barrier, and it would.
01:30:48.000 Keep happening because that's what literally happened.
01:30:50.000 In January, whenever ICE deportations were happening in Minneapolis and two people got shot, that essentially led to pulling back on those operations, right?
01:31:00.000 So, like, right.
01:31:02.000 And because all the media coverage was about that.
01:31:06.000 It was about the violence that happened as a result of deportations.
01:31:12.000 And all the focus was on that rather than, like, why are we doing the deportations, right?
01:31:17.000 So, I think you're right.
01:31:19.000 If a government were to use force to stop this, like all the media coverage would just focus on that and then it would be wildly unpopular.
01:31:26.000 But maybe the media wouldn't even be covering it.
01:31:29.000 Border.
01:31:30.000 Dramatic pictures of the chaos in Tijuana, Mexico, over the past 24 hours.
01:31:35.000 Hundreds of migrants from Central America attempted to storm the U.S. border, desperate to reach U.S. soil.
01:31:42.000 U.S. authorities and Mexican police took unprecedented measures to stop them.
01:31:47.000 And photographers captured this image a woman leading her young children running from the tear gas fired by U.S. authorities.
01:31:57.000 Life endangering children.
01:32:00.000 Even this morning.
01:32:01.000 So let's go to Lindsey Duncombe, who's in Washington.
01:32:03.000 This is during Trump on this story.
01:32:06.000 You can't process them.
01:32:06.000 All right.
01:32:07.000 No.
01:32:08.000 This is why I said this.
01:32:09.000 Like last night, we were talking about this a little bit.
01:32:11.000 And the real solution for these problems.
01:32:14.000 Oh, I'm sorry.
01:32:14.000 Here's Trump.
01:32:15.000 We got to fund the wall.
01:32:16.000 This is in 2018 when this happened.
01:32:18.000 You have to have your society.
01:32:19.000 Your society has to desire policy change enough to get the government to actually do something.
01:32:26.000 And the policy changes that we need to see, you need to make sure that illegals don't get any kind of social services.
01:32:32.000 Make sure that illegal people cannot get jobs, that they cannot rent a place to live.
01:32:39.000 You need to make sure that they can't use the banking system, right?
01:32:43.000 These are all things that are possible.
01:32:44.000 Whether or not they're palatable to the American people right now, I don't know.
01:32:49.000 But at some point, there are enough people that come over, and we might have already passed that, but there are enough people that come over that will say, oh, well, that was me, or that was my family, or those are my friends.
01:32:59.000 So, no, we're not going to allow the government to enforce.
01:33:03.000 Immigration.
01:33:04.000 We're not going to allow the government to enforce
01:33:09.000 restrictions on who can be hired.
01:33:11.000 The best solution that we have is to go to the companies that hire people and put them in prison.
01:33:18.000 Arrest them.
01:33:19.000 Here's the National Guard of the United States being physically attacked by criminals, criminal aliens, and do nothing about it.
01:33:26.000 I mean, seeing them in melee is.
01:33:29.000 They have long range ballistic weapons for a reason.
01:33:32.000 Having them up close like that is.
01:33:33.000 I mean, bro, they could use rubber bullets, they could use anything, they just don't.
01:33:36.000 You're talking about e verify.
01:33:39.000 Well, no, I'm not talking.
01:33:39.000 I mean, I don't know.
01:33:40.000 Maybe e verify is the solution.
01:33:42.000 I'm not talking about a specific policy that's been presented.
01:33:45.000 I'm saying the broad way to stop it is to remove the incentives.
01:33:51.000 I'm just a little bit more libertarian on that specific
01:33:56.000 process because I just don't want DHS to be let off the hook and outsource our national security to private corporations.
01:34:04.000 No, no, no, no.
01:34:05.000 What we do is.
01:34:07.000 If you are found to have employed illegal immigrants knowingly, you go to jail.
01:34:14.000 If you employed illegal immigrants because the illegal immigrants defrauded you and you did not know, they go to jail.
01:34:21.000 But we need to start locking these business owners up.
01:34:25.000 And I'm going to stress this.
01:34:26.000 If you were negligent in your duties in the hiring practice, and I'm not talking about the owner because the owners don't always handle hiring.
01:34:34.000 So let's say you're the owner of an IHOP, you don't handle hiring, you have a manager who handles onboarding for staff.
01:34:41.000 If that manager onboards an illegal immigrant negligently, meaning they knew something was off, their ID might be fake, or they weren't provided accurate information, but they hired them anyway, jail.
01:34:54.000 If you are deceived by the illegal immigrant, then nobody's in trouble.
01:34:58.000 You were tricked, you were defrauded, you're the victim.
01:35:00.000 If the hiring person, be it the boss or a manager, knowingly, right to jail.
01:35:06.000 Negligently, jail, but for less.
01:35:09.000 Look, in our society, and actually in modern society, It is really hard to prevent this unless you're willing to do things that look unpalatable when the media is against you.
01:35:21.000 To your point, like you saw the video, the first thing they did was that within the first, what, 45 seconds of that clip, they had a picture of a woman with two children running away from tear gas because, oh my goodness, who's going to think about the chilling, right?
01:35:36.000 The chilling, the chilling, the chilling, it's so bad, the chilling, my poor chilling.
01:35:40.000 Well, the chilling are coming here and they're going to be taking all the social services for, or they're going to be taking up social services.
01:35:48.000 They've driven the cost of renting up 30%.
01:35:52.000 Between 20 and 30 percent is the cost of housing now, the rise that we've seen because of illegal immigration.
01:36:00.000 They are taking jobs that Americans will do.
01:36:03.000 All of these things are real.
01:36:03.000 These are things that the left continues to assert that do not happen.
01:36:08.000 They say that doesn't happen.
01:36:09.000 These people that come in, they're actually a benefit to society.
01:36:12.000 Well, guess what?
01:36:14.000 They take up space at the emergency room.
01:36:16.000 And so that means that there are longer waits for health care.
01:36:19.000 And these same people Increase in costs in health care, increase in costs as well.
01:36:22.000 And these same people that say they don't actually affect or they're a net positive, they're also saying we should have free health care for everybody.
01:36:32.000 Well, when you have free health care for everybody, that just extends the wait lines.
01:36:36.000 And you can look at any countries that have socialized medicine and you see there's a massive increase in how long you have to wait to get basic care.
01:36:45.000 I figured it out.
01:36:46.000 See, you were pointing out this image and how it's the propaganda where they're like, the children are being chillin'.
01:36:54.000 I have an idea.
01:36:55.000 Thanks to the power of artificial intelligence, we'll just do this.
01:37:00.000 And then we'll go, what's that man doing to those children?
01:37:04.000 We need to send law enforcement to save the children.
01:37:06.000 Please, more barter guards.
01:37:08.000 I mean, I'm.
01:37:08.000 I'm from Breaking Bad, the nursing home.
01:37:10.000 I've got fairly thick skin.
01:37:12.000 He's wearing Elsa's shirts.
01:37:13.000 I've got fairly thick skin when it comes to the argument of the children because I've been kind of like a pro 2A guy for a long time.
01:37:20.000 And that's the argument the left has made about gun control forever.
01:37:25.000 And as we see a liberalization of gun laws in the United States, there has not been a corresponding increase in deaths by gun violence.
01:37:33.000 It turns out the people that are likely to commit violence with guns, they already have them.
01:37:38.000 The gun crime is not going up, even though 29 states have constitutional carry.
01:37:43.000 You have not seen a massive increase in children dying because of the liberalization of gun crime or gun violence.
01:37:52.000 I'm sorry, gun laws.
01:37:53.000 My apologies.
01:37:55.000 So, that argument of, oh, you've got to think of the children.
01:37:57.000 It's like, I just think of the meme.
01:37:59.000 It's like, oh, poor child crying.
01:38:01.000 We have to throw the Constitution and the border away.
01:38:03.000 I'm thinking about the children.
01:38:04.000 I'm thinking about all the labor they could be doing in our country cheaply if we just allowed these child slavers to bring them to their pot farms.
01:38:11.000 Yeah, right.
01:38:11.000 Well, that's what was happening.
01:38:14.000 Trump had the Marines go out to aid in these migrant enforcement operations, and they found a bunch of children doing slave labor on pot farms.
01:38:24.000 Yeah.
01:38:25.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:38:26.000 And then the left is like, Trump's deploying the military.
01:38:28.000 And I'm like, he did to assist with stopping child slavery.
01:38:34.000 Why are you mad?
01:38:35.000 But, you know, they're mad about a lot of things.
01:38:37.000 I was down in Del Rio a few years ago during the Biden administration.
01:38:42.000 Remember when Bill Malusian descended on a house for a string of summer reporting where they were crossing over the Del Rio River?
01:38:49.000 And he had like a week's worth of like, this is untenable.
01:38:53.000 And because the water had gone shallow.
01:38:58.000 And they were crossing over in this one sort of a thin spot.
01:39:02.000 And it was wild to.
01:39:03.000 I went to that exact spot a few months later.
01:39:07.000 It's gorgeous.
01:39:07.000 I mean, it's like the land that time forgot.
01:39:10.000 I mean, it's like something out of Red Dead Redemption.
01:39:12.000 I mean, it's just, it's gorgeous.
01:39:15.000 As it turns out, the guy who owned that house had, it was a winter duck hunting retreat.
01:39:24.000 This was going on in the summer.
01:39:26.000 He was, I think he lived in North Texas.
01:39:30.000 He sees his house on national television being overrun by illegals.
01:39:35.000 And as the story that was told to me by the National Guard, our Border Patrol guys, this guy comes back to his house and finds.
01:39:45.000 Texas Department of Public Safety just on his deck with rifles pointed across at Mexico and orders Texas Department of Public Safety off of his deck and orders the Border Patrol away.
01:40:00.000 And there's this sort of ethos down there like, we will take care of this ourselves.
01:40:05.000 We don't want the Border Patrol to take care of this.
01:40:08.000 This is my lot.
01:40:09.000 This is my land.
01:40:11.000 Get the hell off.
01:40:13.000 I have a headline for you.
01:40:14.000 Wild to watch.
01:40:15.000 Can you read that one?
01:40:16.000 Minors among suspected illegal immigrants detained after clash at California Farm.
01:40:21.000 Okay, let's ask a few questions.
01:40:25.000 When children enter this country illegally, is the presumption that they came here of their own volition or were they brought here by somebody else?
01:40:32.000 Someone else.
01:40:33.000 Someone else, but they're minors, right?
01:40:35.000 They can't enter legal contracts.
01:40:36.000 I mean, they were brought here.
01:40:37.000 Okay.
01:40:39.000 Now, they're working on a California farm.
01:40:44.000 Do you know what kind of farm it was?
01:40:46.000 You said it was a pot farm, right?
01:40:48.000 Well, the BBC just calls it a farm.
01:40:49.000 Oh.
01:40:50.000 In fact, it is described as two glasshouse marijuana farms being raided simultaneously.
01:40:54.000 So, oh, that's interesting.
01:40:57.000 And these miners, who we've already determined likely did not come here of their own volition, they were detained.
01:41:03.000 So I'm just going to ask this question.
01:41:05.000 When law enforcement
01:41:08.000 engages in an operation, a law enforcement operation on a drug farm, and arrests illegal immigrants, detains them, I'm sorry.
01:41:18.000 Is it appropriate to describe the children who came here against their will to work illegally on a drug farm?
01:41:28.000 Would we call it detaining them?
01:41:31.000 Or is there another word?
01:41:33.000 Rescue.
01:41:33.000 Rescue could be another word, indeed.
01:41:35.000 And now, even if you wanted to be neutral, that is not how you describe this.
01:41:40.000 Law enforcement operation on California marijuana farm results in several minors being rescued.
01:41:46.000 Right.
01:41:47.000 That's how we would describe it in a neutral sense.
01:41:50.000 We do not describe.
01:41:51.000 Underage individuals operating, working on a drug farm as being detained.
01:41:57.000 That's insane.
01:41:59.000 They didn't come here by choice, and they're not working on a drug farm by choice.
01:42:04.000 Welcome to the BBC.
01:42:05.000 Welcome to Western media.
01:42:07.000 That's how they frame it.
01:42:09.000 Framing is a remarkable thing.
01:42:11.000 Yeah.
01:42:12.000 Ian runs, I won't use Ian.
01:42:14.000 Donald Trump runs into a burning building, rescues two small children in a sack full of puppies, and he runs out coughing and gagging, falls down to his knees, and says, It may have taken years off my life.
01:42:25.000 And I am horribly burned, but I saved these children.
01:42:28.000 And the media is going to write Trump grotesquely coughs and gags at meeting with the public.
01:42:34.000 And you're going to be like, well, yeah, he was coughing and gagging because he was choking on fire and smoke after he rescued those children.
01:42:39.000 And they'll put that at the bottom.
01:42:42.000 If they cover him at all.
01:42:43.000 Yeah, they'll just say Trump grotesquely coughs and gags.
01:42:48.000 I'm old enough to remember when Obama gave his speech, one network didn't like it, and another network gave him a thrill up their leg.
01:42:56.000 But at least we were watching the same speech.
01:42:59.000 Now, Trump gives a national televised address about Chinese voter file infiltration.
01:43:06.000 And not only are we not going to run it, okay, we're going to debunk it after we don't run it.
01:43:12.000 And on top of that, now we're going to pre bunk it before he starts talking, which was a no, it's where Brian Stelter invented the word.
01:43:20.000 We're pre bunking things now in the press.
01:43:23.000 We, I fixed the headline for everybody.
01:43:25.000 Trump Freeze Child Slaves.
01:43:26.000 How are you doing there?
01:43:27.000 You just right click it.
01:43:28.000 Liberals protest in the HTML.
01:43:33.000 Trump Freeze Child Slaves.
01:43:35.000 Yep.
01:43:36.000 That's great.
01:43:37.000 You can have liberals protest.
01:43:38.000 Just know a little HTML and you can have any headline you want.
01:43:42.000 There you go, cool.
01:43:44.000 Yeah.
01:43:45.000 You just go to uh, it really is choose your own adventure.
01:43:47.000 It can be,
01:43:50.000 and it doesn't take very much.
01:43:51.000 There you go.
01:43:52.000 Yeah, they're emphasizing the detainment, right?
01:43:55.000 That's what they're so yeah.
01:43:59.000 No wonder you got a bad rating.
01:44:02.000 It was a baby pit bull and it had already locked its jaws around my ankle.
01:44:05.000 I was just swinging my leg wildly.
01:44:07.000 No, no, no.
01:44:07.000 Here's the important thing locked jaw.
01:44:09.000 This is actually pretty funny though.
01:44:11.000 If the media reported like Ian Crossland kicks dog, it'll be like, it would say Tim Poole co host Ian Crossland caught on camera kicking dog.
01:44:19.000 And then at the very bottom, it's a pit bull just ripping Ian's legs to shred.
01:44:23.000 There's blood everywhere and he's screaming for help and kicking it.
01:44:25.000 It was a baby pit bull, so its jaws were just forming, but it had clenched around my ankle and I couldn't get it off.
01:44:31.000 And I was just waving my leg like a crazy missile.
01:44:33.000 You saw a lot of that in Renee Good?
01:44:35.000 You saw a lot of that in the kid in Minnesota?
01:44:37.000 This reminds me of Married with Children when Al Bundy, Punches a guy in the face, and then the show resolves with him saying, like, they got a bunch of him and Pegasus, and they were fanning money.
01:44:46.000 He's like, The system works, Pegasus.
01:44:49.000 I sued him for hurting my fist on his face.
01:44:51.000 Like, that's the way it goes sometimes, you know?
01:44:55.000 Like, control of the media.
01:44:57.000 That's like, No, just like
01:45:00.000 it's, it, well, the joke there is that he punched a guy, but then sued him because he hurt his hand.
01:45:05.000 I was just thinking about like the bigger, like the whole world manipulating people with the media to win a war without firing a shot.
01:45:15.000 There's a NASCAR fight in the Daytona 500 in 1979, and they got into a big brawl, and that was the famous quote.
01:45:20.000 It's like, he ran into my fist.
01:45:21.000 Oh, he ran into my fist.
01:45:24.000 I mean, it's accurate, right?
01:45:26.000 Yep.
01:45:27.000 Look, this is how the media does it.
01:45:29.000 How's their lead?
01:45:31.000 Can you scroll down on this?
01:45:32.000 Well, let's reset it.
01:45:34.000 Farm workers were badly injured.
01:45:36.000 There we go.
01:45:37.000 Oh, my God.
01:45:38.000 And you have to look also at how they're actually reporting this beyond the headline.
01:45:42.000 Badly injured.
01:45:43.000 Okay.
01:45:43.000 Yeah.
01:45:43.000 Look what's emphasized here.
01:45:44.000 Underage.
01:45:45.000 How about servitude?
01:45:47.000 How about criminal aliens suffered injuries during a raid at a California marijuana farm, which child slaves were found and rescued?
01:45:58.000 Look at this.
01:45:59.000 Detained.
01:46:00.000 Listen, when a firefighter runs into a burning building and carries out a child, and then hold on, and that child is then placed on a gurney and told not to go anywhere because they need oxygen, they are not detaining that child.
01:46:16.000 Oh, yes, they are.
01:46:18.000 I don't know where you're getting your news from, Tim.
01:46:20.000 Timothy Poole.
01:46:20.000 What is it?
01:46:22.000 This is BBC?
01:46:23.000 Yeah.
01:46:23.000 So BBC is a top seven news website in America.
01:46:26.000 In America, 98.3 million hits a month.
01:46:30.000 Yeah.
01:46:31.000 Is that a lot?
01:46:32.000 Look.
01:46:32.000 Well, here's an anomaly.
01:46:34.000 Why does the UK have count of one, two, three, four different outlets in the top 35 in the United States?
01:46:43.000 Because Americans are like, if I go to media outside of the United States, I'll get a more Full and clear picture of reality.
01:46:52.000 You go, Phil.
01:46:53.000 They're getting hooked up by the apps, is really the good Samaritan detains bedridden man from burning home.
01:47:02.000 This is how the media goes.
01:47:03.000 Hold on, hold on.
01:47:04.000 Let's play this game.
01:47:05.000 The story from Fox 35 Orlando, this is from just yesterday.
01:47:10.000 I first want to give a shout out to the actual Good Samaritan.
01:47:13.000 A fire broke out in Osceola County, and a Good Samaritan saved this man's life.
01:47:20.000 Let's see.
01:47:21.000 Did they say who the guy was?
01:47:22.000 I don't think so.
01:47:24.000 They just say it was a Good Samaritan.
01:47:25.000 Neighbors are grateful to the man.
01:47:26.000 They don't say who the man was.
01:47:28.000 We can have fun with this.
01:47:31.000 Let's do this.
01:47:32.000 Now, what can we determine from this?
01:47:33.000 Well, Good Samaritan, that's a loaded term, that's biased.
01:47:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:47:36.000 Right?
01:47:37.000 We can't call him a good someone.
01:47:38.000 He's telling us he's good.
01:47:39.000 Yeah, they can't call him a good someone.
01:47:40.000 Maybe he's not good.
01:47:41.000 No, potential criminal?
01:47:42.000 So, well, no.
01:47:45.000 And then rescues a bedridden man.
01:47:48.000 Did the man say he wanted to leave his home?
01:47:50.000 Maybe he was just enjoying.
01:47:52.000 How about this?
01:47:52.000 Kidnap a potential arsonist, kidnaps a man from bed who was enjoying the warm temperatures.
01:48:03.000 Rusty man.
01:48:06.000 Violates the sanctity of man's.
01:48:11.000 Wait, wait.
01:48:12.000 I got to add one last bit.
01:48:14.000 After committing burglary.
01:48:15.000 Aggressively.
01:48:17.000 Yeah.
01:48:19.000 There you
01:48:21.000 go.
01:48:22.000 Yeah, there you go.
01:48:24.000 Intruder forces man from home.
01:48:26.000 Yeah.
01:48:28.000 No, but to your earlier.
01:48:29.000 Oh, yeah.
01:48:29.000 Intruder.
01:48:30.000 Intruder forces man from home amid chaotic.
01:48:30.000 Yeah.
01:48:30.000 I like that.
01:48:34.000 Forces disabled man.
01:48:36.000 Yeah.
01:48:37.000 It's frightening how good we've done this already.
01:48:39.000 Oh, my God.
01:48:41.000 It's wild.
01:48:41.000 Mid violent intruder forces disabled.
01:48:45.000 Labeled man from home.
01:48:46.000 Wait, wait.
01:48:46.000 There you are.
01:48:47.000 Invoking extreme emotions in an angry public.
01:48:53.000 Now, see, I didn't say what those emotions were or why they were angry.
01:48:56.000 But now I know I want to feel them.
01:48:58.000 Yeah.
01:48:59.000 Isn't this story just so dramatically different now?
01:49:01.000 Incredible.
01:49:01.000 But the headline is what does Malice say?
01:49:04.000 It's what does it say?
01:49:07.000 Factually true, but what's the saying?
01:49:10.000 I know what you're headed at.
01:49:11.000 Factual but not truthful.
01:49:12.000 Oh, yes, yes.
01:49:12.000 Yes.
01:49:13.000 Factual, but not true.
01:49:14.000 Right, because the facts are the same here.
01:49:15.000 And like a fact can be wrong.
01:49:17.000 Is it framing that a fact can be wrong?
01:49:19.000 If I said, like, those curtains are blue, that would be a factual statement that is incorrect, but still a fact.
01:49:27.000 You can state something as fact without it being true, right?
01:49:27.000 Well, yeah, exactly.
01:49:31.000 Like you stated that, like it's objective truth.
01:49:33.000 So that it's not true.
01:49:34.000 But that you're stating something as fact, but it's not true.
01:49:37.000 But it's not a fact either.
01:49:40.000 Right.
01:49:40.000 You're stating it as fact.
01:49:41.000 Yes.
01:49:41.000 You can't act like it's not a fact.
01:49:44.000 We can write one for the libertarians here.
01:49:46.000 Or, like, a declarative sentence, right?
01:49:48.000 Like, you're declaring it as fact, but it's not fact.
01:49:51.000 So, this one is firefighter hurt, occupant rescued in Hamilton House fire.
01:49:56.000 So, we can do this one for the libertarians.
01:49:59.000 Government employee injured
01:50:06.000 in.
01:50:08.000 And then, occupant.
01:50:08.000 Let's see.
01:50:09.000 How can we describe.
01:50:10.000 Homeowner.
01:50:11.000 Well, we don't know who owns the home.
01:50:12.000 Okay.
01:50:13.000 Sovereign citizen.
01:50:15.000 Overreaching.
01:50:16.000 Government employee injured in fire.
01:50:20.000 Man inside.
01:50:25.000 What do we say for this one?
01:50:27.000 He's rescued, right?
01:50:28.000 Oh, I got it.
01:50:29.000 Government employee injured in fire after intruding in home to forcibly remove occupant.
01:50:29.000 I got it.
01:50:39.000 Yeah.
01:50:40.000 Evicts man from home.
01:50:40.000 Yep.
01:50:41.000 Yeah.
01:50:42.000 Yeah, there you go.
01:50:43.000 Government employee injured in fire after intruding in home to forcibly remove.
01:50:47.000 Yes.
01:50:49.000 There we go.
01:50:49.000 I think he spells possibly wrong.
01:50:51.000 I do too.
01:50:53.000 Everything is stupid.
01:50:55.000 And that one, that BBC story also, did you catch the quote in the sec?
01:50:59.000 Like, so the lead was all biased, but then the quote right after it was like some United Farm Workers quote that was like, This chaotic raid, we can confirm that farm workers were hurt, right?
01:51:11.000 So, like, they're also like choosing whose voice to elevate and whose perspective to elevate.
01:51:18.000 Like, right off the bat, you're like concerned that people were hurt because they were being detained, even though they weren't supposed to be that, right?
01:51:25.000 It just flips everything.
01:51:28.000 I think this is very important because.
01:51:31.000 The way you prompt AI is a direct result of how that AI treats you and thinks of you.
01:51:36.000 So, like, it's one thing to complain about media bias, but we have to kind of master it in order to manipulate the AI properly.
01:51:44.000 I just love this good Samaritan.
01:51:47.000 Well, I mean, that's why I want to see more center outlets, more right wing outlets get up to the top of the rankings because AI is going to spit back out what's popular.
01:51:55.000 And what's popular, we got a good one, is being what's driven by the Connecticut firefighters on vacation in Maine, credited with saving two people from house fire.
01:52:03.000 Oh, this one's too easy.
01:52:04.000 This one's too easy.
01:52:05.000 This one is government agents operate outside of jurisdiction.
01:52:13.000 Operating.
01:52:14.000 Okay.
01:52:15.000 Operating outside of jurisdiction.
01:52:20.000 Forcibly remove.
01:52:21.000 How do you spell forcibly?
01:52:23.000 It's got an I instead of an A where you have.
01:52:25.000 Okay.
01:52:25.000 I think.
01:52:25.000 Forcibly.
01:52:26.000 I think I'm right.
01:52:27.000 Right?
01:52:28.000 It's not a word that I normally use.
01:52:29.000 Forcibly remove two people from private residence for sparking outrage.
01:52:37.000 With the EA is what I would say, foreseeably.
01:52:40.000 It's F O R C I B L Y.
01:52:43.000 Sybil.
01:52:43.000 Yeah.
01:52:44.000 There we go.
01:52:45.000 Form.
01:52:45.000 While on.
01:52:47.000 While on PTO.
01:52:48.000 Sparking outrage.
01:52:51.000 Government agents.
01:52:52.000 Sparking outrage.
01:52:52.000 Form.
01:52:53.000 I like sparking outrage.
01:52:56.000 Sparking outrage.
01:52:58.000 Sparking outrage.
01:53:00.000 Sparking.
01:53:00.000 It's an adjective.
01:53:01.000 Yeah.
01:53:02.000 That's right.
01:53:03.000 Government agents operating outside of jurisdiction.
01:53:06.000 Right at residence.
01:53:07.000 Yeah.
01:53:08.000 Operating outside.
01:53:09.000 Oh, yeah.
01:53:10.000 It's a good one.
01:53:11.000 Yeah.
01:53:11.000 Oh, I think it.
01:53:12.000 How did I do that?
01:53:13.000 You just say creating controversy.
01:53:16.000 I'm sure the New York Post has a blast.
01:53:18.000 Critics allege.
01:53:19.000 Because those are all like this.
01:53:19.000 Yeah.
01:53:21.000 Like the New York Post.
01:53:22.000 Like they are.
01:53:24.000 This is what they do.
01:53:26.000 This is what they do.
01:53:27.000 This is what they do.
01:53:27.000 Yeah.
01:53:29.000 Yeah.
01:53:29.000 Yeah.
01:53:29.000 It is.
01:53:30.000 I mean.
01:53:31.000 Okay.
01:53:31.000 The DSA has had unprecedented success.
01:53:34.000 It also has serious internal divisions.
01:53:35.000 For now.
01:53:36.000 Let's fix this.
01:53:38.000 Let's fix this.
01:53:41.000 The DSA.
01:53:44.000 Let's see.
01:53:45.000 Experiencing major victories
01:53:51.000 as leaders
01:53:54.000 debate the future.
01:53:56.000 Republicans pounce.
01:53:59.000 Yeah.
01:54:00.000 That's the only thing that they'll throw in there Republicans pounce.
01:54:07.000 And Trump is.
01:54:08.000 I use ChatGPT.
01:54:09.000 There's an M dash in there.
01:54:15.000 That is.
01:54:15.000 Incredible.
01:54:17.000 Is this how we fix the media?
01:54:19.000 Now, all you have to do is, like I said, just take a screenshot of that and start posting that stuff to X.
01:54:19.000 Coming up at 11.
01:54:24.000 There was a great idea.
01:54:25.000 Somebody said.
01:54:27.000 Of course they would.
01:54:28.000 There was an idea that was bouncing around when the PBS NPR fight was percolating.
01:54:34.000 Okay, fine.
01:54:35.000 You can keep your funding, but you have to have a conservative ombudsman correct all your mistakes in the last five minutes of the show.
01:54:46.000 Which would have been just hilarious in its own right.
01:54:49.000 We audit news outlets for bias.
01:54:51.000 And so I was like, hire us.
01:54:55.000 We'll have a balanced panel review and tell you, you know, where you can fix and become more trusted.
01:55:01.000 But the idea has sort of surfaced when you talk about these licenses with the broadcast network.
01:55:06.000 Like, okay, if you want to keep your license, you've got to have an ombudsman that potentially corrects any misreporting.
01:55:14.000 I like the idea last couple of minutes.
01:55:16.000 I mean, ESPN has that on a couple of shows.
01:55:19.000 It's kind of a bit.
01:55:19.000 It's kind of like a funny bit.
01:55:20.000 Like, what did we get wrong?
01:55:21.000 You know, Barry Bonds only hit two home runs instead of three.
01:55:24.000 Whatever.
01:55:26.000 But that was kind of an idea that, like, all right, if you want to keep your ABC, if you want to keep your broadcast license, you've got to bring on a fact checker to correct you at the end of each show.
01:55:36.000 I like this Common Dreams website.
01:55:38.000 You know, I'm beginning to understand what they're talking about.
01:55:40.000 Democrat launches witch hunt targeting President Trump and his noble allies.
01:55:46.000 Way we can do it, we can do one better.
01:55:48.000 Wait, did you write this?
01:55:49.000 Is that real?
01:55:50.000 No, I wrote it.
01:55:51.000 Hold on, hold on.
01:55:52.000 What was the original?
01:55:53.000 How
01:55:53.000 I don't know.
01:55:58.000 do you spell that?
01:55:58.000 Hold on.
01:56:01.000 Unhinged Democrat.
01:56:04.000 Wait, did you just close on me?
01:56:04.000 How are we biased?
01:56:06.000 Oh, we got it.
01:56:06.000 Yeah, okay.
01:56:08.000 Democrat launches witch hunt targeting President Good Samaritan Trump and his noble allies.
01:56:16.000 Here's the original story.
01:56:19.000 Ask him.
01:56:21.000 Good Samaritan.
01:56:24.000 I just love how all of the articles are like Good Samaritan does things.
01:56:28.000 Angel from heaven.
01:56:29.000 That's an opinion.
01:56:29.000 Yeah, it's divine will.
01:56:32.000 What a useless story.
01:56:34.000 Yeah.
01:56:35.000 Selling inside to Trump sushi.
01:56:37.000 Let's do demonic.
01:56:39.000 Yeah.
01:56:40.000 Bring in angels and demons if we really want to trade.
01:56:42.000 Democrat.
01:56:45.000 And I don't know, but maybe child predator.
01:56:50.000 I don't know, but maybe.
01:56:52.000 Some have claimed.
01:56:54.000 Bruce Springsteen sycophant.
01:56:56.000 Some rascal.
01:56:57.000 Targets.
01:56:58.000 Angelic hero Donald J. Trump in witch hunt attack on him and his noble allies.
01:57:14.000 The sub line should be hell suspected to be involved.
01:57:17.000 You should just say that like right under it.
01:57:20.000 Some have claimed.
01:57:22.000 And I don't know, but maybe.
01:57:25.000 It's actually not the worst program idea.
01:57:28.000 Here's what the headline is.
01:57:30.000 Here's what the headline should be.
01:57:31.000 Yeah, well, I like that.
01:57:32.000 That's a good one.
01:57:32.000 Oh, yeah.
01:57:33.000 Why not?
01:57:34.000 Especially with AI, you can kind of do it in a flash.
01:57:36.000 We have trainings where we train journalists on how to see this sort of spin and to unspin the headline.
01:57:44.000 And we challenge them to rewrite it.
01:57:46.000 Let's fix the New York Post.
01:57:47.000 Yeah.
01:57:48.000 Nobody would ever click one of their articles again, I'd imagine.
01:57:51.000 Let's go to here we go.
01:57:52.000 Fighting words.
01:57:54.000 Trump warns migrants catastrophe in Spain would look small time if Dems regain power.
01:58:02.000 Oh, he's warning migrant catastrophe.
01:58:04.000 Yeah.
01:58:06.000 Let's fix this headline.
01:58:07.000 We'll be Spain.
01:58:09.000 We'll be Spain if that Trump Democrats are ever in power.
01:58:13.000 Immigration policies are better under the Republicans.
01:58:19.000 Boom.
01:58:20.000 Boom.
01:58:20.000 That's it.
01:58:21.000 Yep.
01:58:22.000 That's about as bland.
01:58:23.000 Or you could say Trump citing Spain or whatever.
01:58:26.000 I actually think this headline's not.
01:58:28.000 It's not.
01:58:28.000 It's just referencing his quotes.
01:58:29.000 It's saying what he said.
01:58:31.000 I mean, warns is like, Getting into spin territory.
01:58:34.000 Typically, we say, just say someone said something.
01:58:36.000 We got to fix this headline.
01:58:37.000 Okay, wait.
01:58:38.000 Thousands of illegal African migrants overrun Spanish enclave, turn streets into open toilets, and bathe in fountains and apocalypse.
01:58:44.000 No,
01:58:47.000 Let's fix this one.
01:58:48.000 Let's fix this one.
01:58:49.000 Here we go.
01:58:50.000 Many new friends rush over for a party in Spain.
01:58:50.000 Oh, my God.
01:58:57.000 Looking for a better life.
01:58:59.000 Swim party?
01:58:59.000 To enrich.
01:59:00.000 To culturally enrich Spain.
01:59:03.000 To enrich Spain culturally.
01:59:08.000 Some bring hot luck.
01:59:12.000 Dinner.
01:59:15.000 Some guy brought a bike.
01:59:17.000 Some guy brought a bike.
01:59:19.000 Innocent, hungry families fleeing.
01:59:24.000 Danger.
01:59:26.000 Poverty and despair.
01:59:28.000 No, no, no, no, just danger because, you know, bring cultural enrichment and wealth to Spain.
01:59:39.000 There we go.
01:59:44.000 All right, all right.
01:59:45.000 How about this one?
01:59:52.000 I'm not going to read it one because it's going to be better when I just post it.
01:59:59.000 Let's see the enrichment begin.
02:00:07.000 I am kind of stunned that Spain's intel operation didn't pick this up.
02:00:11.000 Or that they let it happen.
02:00:12.000 It's one of the things.
02:00:13.000 Well, I mean, that's the obvious, but I mean.
02:00:18.000 They were literally spread so thin they couldn't defend it if they wanted to.
02:00:21.000 Right, right.
02:00:23.000 You want to read that one, Phil?
02:00:25.000 Violent horde of criminal immigrants run rampant in Spain, invading border, defecating in the streets, and destroying local town.
02:00:32.000 I mean, that's a little on the nose, don't you think, Tim?
02:00:36.000 Yeah.
02:00:37.000 You know?
02:00:39.000 Maybe.
02:00:41.000 In search of a better life.
02:00:42.000 I'm sorry.
02:00:46.000 Destroying local town.
02:00:47.000 In search of a better life.
02:00:48.000 In search of a better life.
02:00:51.000 I'm Tim Poole.
02:00:51.000 Keep it on by.
02:00:52.000 New York Post.
02:00:53.000 Yeah.
02:00:54.000 Play both sides.
02:00:56.000 We all know why they're doing what they're doing.
02:00:58.000 It's not like they want it.
02:00:59.000 You want it the who, you got the what, you get the where, you get the why.
02:01:02.000 Let them use the bathroom.
02:01:03.000 It's a long swim.
02:01:04.000 What are you going to do?
02:01:06.000 Ask them to hold it in.
02:01:08.000 You know what's funny?
02:01:09.000 That's basically the argument we're getting from Left Aligned Press.
02:01:12.000 When it's like the actual story is a violent horde of migrants stormed the borders of Ceuta, defecating in the streets, destroying a local town.
02:01:23.000 And then by their metric, it's in search of a better life.
02:01:26.000 Now we know.
02:01:26.000 I got the clip right here on CBS this morning of them actually saying it.
02:01:31.000 Yeah.
02:01:34.000 Enriching us culturally.
02:01:36.000 How are they enriching us culturally?
02:01:37.000 Well, they're enriching the soil.
02:01:38.000 How are they enriching the soil?
02:01:40.000 With the nitrogen.
02:01:41.000 How do you think?
02:01:42.000 And their herds.
02:01:45.000 All right, all right, guys.
02:01:48.000 That's about getting us there.
02:01:49.000 We got a question here from Sir Jacks.
02:01:51.000 He says, Tim, what did you think of the new Spider Man movie?
02:01:53.000 It is the best movie Marvel has ever made.
02:01:56.000 And I'll explain.
02:01:58.000 It is the best Marvel movie.
02:02:00.000 That's it.
02:02:01.000 As a movie with Marvel characters, it's the best they've ever done.
02:02:04.000 Maybe Infinity War is better for a variety of reasons.
02:02:07.000 Like the cinematography of Infinity War really is brilliant.
02:02:10.000 It's three different color palettes, three different stories with one protagonist, Thanos being the protagonist.
02:02:15.000 We follow his story and he succeeds.
02:02:18.000 So it's a really well done film.
02:02:19.000 Endgame was kind of fun, but Spider Man, Brand New Day, is actually a Spider Man movie.
02:02:27.000 It's the first actual Spider Man movie that they have made with Tom Holland.
02:02:32.000 Homecoming, Brand, I'm sorry, Homecoming.
02:02:35.000 Far from Home and No Way Home.
02:02:37.000 Was that all of them?
02:02:38.000 Yeah, no way.
02:02:39.000 Those were all Avengers movies with Spider Man in them.
02:02:43.000 They were.
02:02:44.000 Nick Fury's in it, or Tony Stark is in it.
02:02:46.000 This was a Spider Man movie about Spider Man, with Spider Man being no longer just a high school kid.
02:02:54.000 Punisher is in it.
02:02:55.000 Of course, you know this.
02:02:56.000 There's a couple of Spider Man villains that are in it that, you know, eh, they're kind of in it.
02:03:01.000 But Punisher is in it prominently.
02:03:04.000 And this is the screw up.
02:03:06.000 Everybody wanted to be like, You know, who knows who Sadie Sink is going to play, right?
02:03:11.000 When they finally revealed Sadie Sink, no one in the crowd cared.
02:03:15.000 If they had.
02:03:17.000 So, my fear was in the trailer, you see Punisher a little bit.
02:03:21.000 If I had known that this was a Punisher movie, a Spider Man Punisher movie, I'd be way more excited.
02:03:26.000 Having watched it, knowing that Punisher gets almost equal time to Spider Man, it is the best movie I've ever seen from Marvel.
02:03:33.000 Punisher is, it's just, it's so incredible.
02:03:36.000 And I don't want to spoil too much, but I'm going to spoil one thing.
02:03:40.000 You are being warned right now.
02:03:42.000 It's not the biggest spoiler.
02:03:44.000 It's not a plot point.
02:03:45.000 You may have already inferred this from the trailer.
02:03:47.000 It's a very teeny bitty spoiler, but it is the greatest thing I have ever seen in a Marvel movie.
02:03:52.000 Punisher fighting the Hulk.
02:03:55.000 Sort of, yeah.
02:03:55.000 Just.
02:03:56.000 Sort of, yeah, but you get my.
02:03:57.000 Like, cause Canny, really.
02:03:59.000 But it's so good.
02:04:00.000 There is one thing that I will spoil.
02:04:03.000 And actually, no, I'm not going to spoil it.
02:04:04.000 I'm just going to give you some advice.
02:04:06.000 Don't wait around for the after credits scene.
02:04:09.000 Oh, yeah.
02:04:10.000 It is not worth your time.
02:04:11.000 No, there isn't one.
02:04:13.000 Yeah, essentially.
02:04:14.000 There is.
02:04:15.000 There's an.
02:04:16.000 I'm going to spoil the after credits scene.
02:04:18.000 I'm not going to tell you what it is.
02:04:19.000 It's just, it's not a scene.
02:04:21.000 It's an animation that gives you zero information on anything.
02:04:26.000 It's not a reference to any future movie.
02:04:27.000 It's just, we sat through it and then went, oh.
02:04:30.000 Yeah.
02:04:30.000 It's not worth your time.
02:04:31.000 Don't wait around.
02:04:33.000 In a couple of weeks, you'll be able to look at it on the internet.
02:04:36.000 You probably can now.
02:04:37.000 Yeah, maybe that's true.
02:04:38.000 It's not.
02:04:39.000 The only reason I'm not going to say what it is is because it does have a minor reference to the film, but it's an animation that gives you nothing.
02:04:46.000 It may as well have been Howard the Duck saying, thanks for watching.
02:04:48.000 That's personally my only criticism of the film.
02:04:52.000 I thought it was really good.
02:04:53.000 But yeah, it's not worth waiting around for the after credit scene.
02:04:55.000 You're not getting some kind of cool little scene where people are talking.
02:04:59.000 It's just not worth it.
02:05:00.000 It is a Spider Man Punisher buddy cop movie.
02:05:02.000 It was good.
02:05:03.000 It was really, really good.
02:05:04.000 I'm exaggerating a little bit.
02:05:05.000 Punisher is in it maybe half as much as Spider Man, but he's in almost like he's a principal part of the story.
02:05:11.000 And it's just so good.
02:05:13.000 John Burnthal's Punisher.
02:05:14.000 Oh, good.
02:05:14.000 He's good.
02:05:15.000 It's amazing.
02:05:17.000 And the interactions with Spider Man.
02:05:18.000 Those guys love each other too, Tom Holland and John Burnthal.
02:05:20.000 They get a lot of stuff.
02:05:21.000 And just the Punisher wanting to kill people all the time.
02:05:24.000 The time.
02:05:25.000 Is Alan doing with this after?
02:05:25.000 We're in full circle.
02:05:27.000 No, no, no, no.
02:05:28.000 He's preparing to move on the series, though.
02:05:31.000 He's talking about what they're going to do with Spider Man, who the next Spider Man is going to be.
02:05:34.000 Maybe they're talking down the road, but he's probably going to be in Doomsday.
02:05:39.000 He'll be in Secret Wars, and he's going to be in two more Spider Man movies.
02:05:42.000 This is the first of a trilogy.
02:05:44.000 Sony worked that out?
02:05:45.000 Yep.
02:05:45.000 Oh, it's been there for a decade.
02:05:47.000 But Sony might actually give up Spider Man because they're kind of burned on it, you know?
02:05:50.000 Okay.
02:05:51.000 But I have one thing that I want to say.
02:05:55.000 Where I feel there was one opportunity they didn't take and they should have taken.
02:06:00.000 And it has to do with you already know this from watching the trailer.
02:06:06.000 There is some kind of psychic entity.
02:06:09.000 There was a great opportunity for the Punisher's character that doesn't occur in the movie that I won't describe, but is related to the Punisher, who he is, his mentality, and a psychic entity.
02:06:22.000 They didn't take it.
02:06:23.000 So, and that might give away a lot, but.
02:06:27.000 I was waiting for it.
02:06:28.000 It didn't happen.
02:06:29.000 And I was like, oh, but it's okay.
02:06:33.000 I have no complaints.
02:06:34.000 I think it was the best movie they've ever made.
02:06:36.000 Yeah, from Marvel.
02:06:37.000 Todd Mullen is yet to be in his prime, I think.
02:06:39.000 He's such a good actor.
02:06:41.000 He's so great.
02:06:42.000 We're going to wrap it up, though, guys.
02:06:43.000 So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you've ever met.
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02:06:47.000 Sir, would you like to shout anything out before we go?
02:06:49.000 I just want to thank you guys for the amazing opportunity to be here.
02:06:52.000 You guys have a good thing going here.
02:06:53.000 And I hope it continues for a long time.
02:06:55.000 I appreciate it, Tim.
02:06:56.000 We're going to be in a new DC studio in about a month and a half.
02:06:59.000 So it'll be a lot easier for everybody in the area.
02:07:01.000 Would you like to shout anything out before we go?
02:07:03.000 I don't think so, but it's been fun.
02:07:05.000 And yeah, we should just have a whole show where we rewrite headlines.
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02:07:52.000 It was a really fun conversation, really chill Friday.
02:07:52.000 Pleasure having you both.
02:07:55.000 Let's go.
02:07:56.000 Yeah, let's get into the weekend.
02:07:57.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
02:07:59.000 We got clips up throughout the weekend.
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