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00:01:55.000 U.S. Intel is saying that Israel is planning on striking Iran amid U.S. talks with Iran about their nuclear project.

00:02:07.000 That's the officials say, at least.

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00:05:56.000 CNN's reporting.

00:05:57.000 New intelligence suggests Israel is preparing possible strike on Iranian nuclear facilities, U.S. officials say.

00:06:05.000 The U.S. has obtained new intelligence suggesting that Israel is making preparations to strike Iranian nuclear facilities.

00:06:11.000 Even as the Trump administration has been pursuing a diplomatic deal with Tehran, multiple U.S. officials familiar with the latest intelligence told CNN.

00:06:21.000 Such a strike would be a brazen break with President Donald Trump, U.S. officials said.

00:06:26.000 It could also risk tipping off a broader regional conflict in the Middle East, something the U.S. has sought to avoid since the war in Gaza inflamed tensions beginning in 2023.

00:06:35.000 Officials caution, it is not clear that Israeli leaders have made a final decision.

00:06:45.000 Now, I've heard information that Tehran is basically saying they don't expect the talks to be fruitful.

00:07:02.000 Personally, I don't expect the talks to be fruitful.

00:07:05.000 I know Donald Trump is adamant about being, you know, Peace through strength, but he doesn't want a war.

00:07:11.000 He doesn't want to see a bunch of people dying.

00:07:14.000 But I just feel like the goal for Tehran is to get a nuclear weapon, and I don't think that they're going to be dissuaded by talks. 0.96

00:07:22.000 What do you guys think?

00:07:23.000 So I guess as the resident Jew, I think the take here really is that there are some so-called isolationist types, I guess, working in the administration, and they are leaking classified information from us spying on Israel. 0.61

00:07:38.000 Israel spies on us as well, so let's not get too upset about that, but they're trying to undermine... 0.64

00:07:43.000 Everybody spies on everybody.

00:07:43.000 Everybody spies on everybody, but I guess the position of these U.S. officials is trying to leak to CNN to try to undermine Israel trying to...

00:07:53.000 Look, Israel preparing to strike Iran is nothing new.

00:07:57.000 I just think it's kind of rich that there's some in the administration trying to do this now, given how a week or so or two Trump was saying that he wanted to strike them himself.

00:08:05.000 So we'll see how the rest of these Iran nuclear deals kind of plays out and the negotiations play out.

00:08:11.000 I don't think Iran wants to go to complete denuclearization, which has been the standard.

00:08:16.000 I don't think Trump wants to get himself into another so-called JCPOA because he ran so harshly against that.

00:08:23.000 What's the JCPOA?

00:08:24.000 The JCPOA was the first Iran nuclear deal that Obama struck with the Ayatollah.

00:08:30.000 And the idea here was that they were able to enrich uranium up to a certain percent.

00:08:35.000 And then there was a sunset clause, which allowed them to enrich even further.

00:08:39.000 It also allowed their economy not to have our different sanctions on them.

00:08:44.000 And then they were able to use this capital for whatever they wanted.

00:08:46.000 In many cases, it went to fund their anti-American and anti-Israel proxies in the region, including Hezbollah.

00:08:51.000 I don't know.

00:08:56.000 If Iran was able to acquire a nuclear weapon, it would change the entire landscape of the Middle East. 0.97

00:09:01.000 And it's been U.S. policy did not allow them to do that.

00:09:03.000 And I think that's a good thing.

00:09:05.000 Tate, how was my spin there?

00:09:06.000 It's pretty good.

00:09:07.000 I mean, for me, it looks like Iran and Israel, they engage in this. 0.79

00:09:11.000 This happens all the time where the U.S., when we are negotiating the Abraham Accords, Iran, Hamas or Hezbollah, being an Iranian proxy, launches an attack to blow up the Abraham Accords. 0.54

00:09:23.000 And likewise, this does to me seem like...

00:09:25.000 It could be a situation where Israel knows that there's a nuclear deal potentially getting closer to being signed, and they're trying to posture with Iran maybe inflame that again to see if Iran will walk away from the negotiating table.

00:09:35.000 I do think Trump is liable to sign a relatively bad deal and spin it as a good deal because he wants to stack up accomplishments.

00:09:43.000 Things are going very sluggishly in the Ukraine-Russia war that he promised to end as soon as he came into office but wasn't able to.

00:09:50.000 He promised on ending the war in Israel and Gaza that's actually just flamed up even more recently.

00:10:08.000 I mean, the State Department has been kind of challenging Israel publicly on the war in Gaza right now.

00:10:16.000 So I think there's...

00:10:18.000 There 100% is a dynamic in the Trump administration where there are more isolationist types that want to make sure that nothing blows up.

00:10:28.000 And they may actually be concerned that Israel is going to do something.

00:10:30.000 And I do think that it's plausible that Israel may try to goad Iran into walking away from the deal so they can try and coerce the U.S. to continue supporting what they're doing in Gaza, even though Rubio and Trump have kind of been calling for that.

00:10:49.000 I ultimately think that with Israel and Iran and Trump, I mean, even the previous relationship with Iran under the Trump first term, and even with Biden, Iran will always go and say something super inflammatory, so will Israel,

00:11:05.000 and at the end of the day, nobody actually wants a war there, because I think we all recognize that it would be complete hell. 0.59

00:11:12.000 Well, I mean, abroad war, I think you're right. 0.74

00:11:14.000 This may seem a little counterintuitive, but I think that if Israel were to strike Iran on its own, without the U.S., especially if the U.S. is looking to broker a deal or is looking to talk, regardless of the likelihood of that deal actually bearing fruit or Iran sticking to the deal,

00:11:33.000 if Israel strikes Iran without the U.S. blessing, I think that that's more likely to inflame the Middle East because the U.S. You know, overwhelming military power.

00:11:44.000 If the U.S. strikes or if the U.S. is backing an Israeli strike, then the rest of the region is like, well, you know, the U.S. is kind of standing there saying don't do anything back.

00:11:55.000 But if the U.S. is at odds with Israel and Israel strikes, then the rest of the region might be like, well, there's some daylight between the two.

00:12:03.000 I feel like Israel's really... 1.00

00:12:07.000 Making a significantly worse decision to go it on their own, and it's far more volatile for the rest of the Middle East.

00:12:15.000 I think Israel says they'd go at it on their own, but I don't think they'd actually have the capability to.

00:12:21.000 And if they did ever want to have a successful attack on Iran's nuclear sites, I think they'd have to have the blessing and support from the United States. 0.76

00:12:29.000 I don't think they just have enough armament to do it, and they can't get on the bad side of the United States.

00:12:33.000 I love how the United States, they have their plausible deniability with it.

00:12:36.000 It's like, oh, no, we had no, you know, oh, it's just the Israelis. 1.00

00:12:40.000 Not like we arm them to the teeth and literally are spying on them and have all the information.

00:12:55.000 When you say isolationists, are you talking about people like J.D. Vance?

00:12:59.000 Are you talking about America First people?

00:13:00.000 Or are you talking about people that actually are more...

00:13:03.000 I guess it's on a spectrum.

00:13:06.000 It's not my sense that there's a lot of people in the administration that are actually isolationists.

00:13:10.000 So, it's a spectrum.

00:13:12.000 I want to say J.D. Vance is more...

00:13:14.000 I think this is coming from a camp of people who don't want United States involved in the Middle East one way or another in striking Iran or supporting countries financially.

00:13:36.000 I guess the reason I ask is because I disagree with the idea of people like J.D. Vance.

00:13:43.000 An isolationist.

00:13:44.000 I think that he's just, he is the quintessential America first guy.

00:13:47.000 And I mean, if you're an America first person, and I mean, I'd love to hear your thoughts, Aiden.

00:13:52.000 If you're an America first person, you know, that doesn't mean you want to, or at least my understanding when you hear these people talk about it, it's not that they're talking about the U.S. withdrawing from the rest of the world.

00:14:02.000 It's just the U.S. doesn't need to be active in every military action in a place that the U.S. has, you know, has an interest.

00:14:10.000 I think a couple things can be true.

00:14:12.000 One, Israel is its own nation. 0.64

00:14:16.000 It is its own country.

00:14:17.000 It can make the decisions that it wants.

00:14:20.000 However, again, the United States does fund, provide significant support to Israel before the military and other programs.

00:14:29.000 So that might make them more resistant to actually going at it alone.

00:14:32.000 As far as the component in D.C., I think...

00:14:36.000 There is a growing group of people in D.C. that I wouldn't call them isolationists.

00:14:42.000 I would call them foreign policy realists.

00:14:44.000 The idea that we cannot – we should not get involved in every single conflict in the world.

00:14:51.000 We shouldn't commit all of our resources everywhere in the world whenever an ally of ours has some kind of problem.

00:14:58.000 Now, again, the situation in Israel is very complex, but even – and I know we'll get to this in a little bit, but even when – JD Vance started being very vocally critical of the war in Ukraine.

00:15:09.000 He was saying, why are we sending all of our...

00:15:12.000 We're not going to be able – we don't have enough munitions to actively counter China if for whatever reason we end up starting a hot war with China. 0.80

00:15:20.000 So I think that there are people that – they want the US to be strong.

00:15:25.000 We want to be secure.

00:15:26.000 We do want to be able to defend our interests across the country or across the world, but ultimately it's what is the priority?

00:15:34.000 What are the order of priorities?

00:15:36.000 And Elbridge Colby, who's at DOD, he's always been arguing that Taiwan – I mean,

00:15:57.000 look, it's a strong argument that the most important...

00:16:01.000 You know, strategic location for the U.S. that's not in the U.S. is Taiwan.

00:16:06.000 Because the entire modern world runs on the chips that Taiwan... 1.00

00:16:09.000 I guess I feel like this is all very connected, though, and that's why if you're concerned about addressing China, it's worth addressing Russia as well, because China, I think it was last year or so...

00:16:17.000 We haven't even got to Russia yet, though.

00:16:18.000 They said they had an endless relationship between the Chinese and the Russians, and the Chinese are getting cheap oil from the Russians right now.

00:16:28.000 Iran is sending the drones that they have to use in Russia.

00:16:32.000 North Koreans are fighting against Ukrainians in Ukraine right now.

00:16:38.000 So I think all this stuff is connected, and there's a united front that's against U.S. hegemony, and I think it's worth not just focusing on one part, although I'm extremely hungry.

00:16:48.000 When it comes to China as well.

00:16:49.000 You just stopped it extremely hawkish.

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:53.000 Well, I believe in peace through strength, and I think it's a worthwhile endeavor to protect, because I think once we pull out, the less involved the United States is in geopolitical affairs, unfortunately, the more stuff breaks down.

00:17:06.000 If the United States stopped being interested in the Middle East, Africa, Europe, more conflict would break out in all these regions, because I think the United States acts as a stabilizing force through the strength of our military power.

00:17:18.000 I think I would disagree with that.

00:17:20.000 Actually, it's kind of funny.

00:17:22.000 What you're saying, I think, is most likely true, but it sounds really similar to the whole axis of evil speech from post-911, which got us into a lot of problems.

00:17:32.000 Ultimately, I think I agree with your broader point, but I will say I don't think the U.S. has been a stabilizing force, especially in Africa. 0.50

00:17:42.000 Everything with the Wagner group, Russia has been running wild in Africa. 0.99

00:17:50.000 The French African countries, they screwed everything up in Africa. 1.00

00:17:56.000 And then the U.S. had to step in, but the U.S. wasn't prepared to do that, and so the Russians went wild. 0.57

00:18:01.000 And ultimately, that is the fault of the French. 0.96

00:18:05.000 And I think it goes back to, yeah, the U.S. has a lot of different security priorities.

00:18:10.000 We need to make sure those are accomplished.

00:18:12.000 We need to be able to make sure we have the munitions and the agreements to maintain that.

00:18:18.000 But we're always going to fail at it if our allies don't.

00:18:22.000 Step up to the plate.

00:18:23.000 And I think in the context of Israel, now who knows what the actual situation behind this article is, but the U.S.-Israel relationship, although very strong, is very much push and pull right now.

00:18:38.000 And it's totally within Israel's prerogative to do so because, again, they have their own strategic interests.

00:18:46.000 Iran and Trump are actually serious about a deal, and there is one that's going to come through.

00:18:51.000 It is not in Israel's interest for that to happen.

00:18:53.000 But again, I don't think that they would ultimately make that decision for the same reason that Trump and Vance go to Europe and they criticize the European Union, and what can they actually do?

00:19:04.000 Nothing, really, because they're not strong.

00:19:07.000 They still rely on U.S. security guarantees, and its function is a drain.

00:19:13.000 I think that part of the work of Trump and J.D. and Rubio in particular as Secretary of State has been to pull back our commitments in areas where it really doesn't matter.

00:19:25.000 I don't think that our efforts in Africa have been very fruitful.

00:19:29.000 There's a good argument for some of the humanitarian programs, I think, but ultimately we have never had a good relationship with...

00:19:38.000 African countries, especially now not with South Africa, and the Chinese and the Russians have been running wild. 1.00

00:19:42.000 Well, let me just say, I'll just say, too, like, last year I backpacked Africa.

00:19:46.000 Wagner is everywhere.

00:19:48.000 And I was backing through Eastern Africa, which is a region that's not on the table, geopolitically speaking.

00:19:53.000 Everywhere.

00:19:54.000 Chinese, everywhere.

00:19:55.000 Does anyone have a sense of what Russia's goals are, having military PMCs over there in?

00:20:04.000 Yeah.

00:20:31.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I understand the minerals and stuff, but that's economic stuff.

00:20:36.000 Well, there's a vacuum there in Eastern Africa.

00:20:39.000 Since the British left, it's just been chaos.

00:20:43.000 The Tanzanians and the Kenyans are massive exporters of oil, specifically in rare earth minerals.

00:20:47.000 Kenya is American-aligned, broadly speaking.

00:20:50.000 Tanzania, not so much.

00:20:51.000 And everywhere you go, you're going to see Mandarin. 0.71

00:20:53.000 The Chinese are heavily involved in Tanzania.

00:20:55.000 They're setting up massive mines, setting up massive oil rigs.

00:20:58.000 So there's a huge geopolitical advantage there, but it's more of a long-term play.

00:21:02.000 And that's sort of been the problem with the United States is we're not thinking long-term.

00:21:06.000 We're thinking election to election versus the Chinese and the Russians.

00:21:09.000 They can think in terms of generations.

00:21:12.000 All right, well, I say we should move on to this next story, seeing as we were talking about Russia a little bit.

00:21:20.000 The New York Times reports, Trump's new position on the war in Ukraine, not my problem.

00:21:26.000 In a reversal, President Trump appears to have backed off joining a European push for new sanctions on Russia, seemingly eager to move on to do business deals with it.

00:21:36.000 For months, President Trump has been threatening to simply walk away from the frustrating negotiations for a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine.

00:21:43.000 After a phone call on Monday between Mr. Trump and President Vladimir Putin of Russia that appears to be exactly what the American president is doing.

00:21:51.000 The deeper question now is whether he is also abandoning America's three-year-long project to support Ukraine, a nascent democracy that he has frequently blamed for being illegally invaded.

00:22:27.000 If the United States...

00:22:40.000 And furthermore, Russia is kind of holding all the cards, you know, using a phrase that Donald Trump likes to talk about, you know.

00:22:50.000 Russia has no problem throwing bodies into the meat grinder.

00:22:53.000 They historically have never had a problem with that.

00:22:55.000 And they have the ability to continue this war, whereas Ukraine is running out of people.

00:23:02.000 There's just not as many Ukrainians.

00:23:04.000 They don't have the infrastructure.

00:23:05.000 And if the United States stops sending them weapons, they're not going to have the ability to do anything.

00:23:10.000 So let's take off my American hawk hat for a second and put on my Russian hawk hat.

00:23:15.000 So if I'm Vladimir Putin or Sergei Lavrov or any of these people high up, what?

00:23:22.000 If I'm one of these Russians, I'm trying to wait out the clock on President Trump.

00:23:27.000 It's clear that he and others in the administration don't...

00:23:30.000 Aren't considering sending more arms.

00:23:32.000 They want a quick end to this.

00:23:34.000 And so long as Putin isn't playing ball, they're just getting frustrated.

00:23:36.000 And it seems like frustrating President Trump is working, getting him to walk away and not send more arms to these guys.

00:23:43.000 And that's crucial to apply pressure on Putin.

00:23:46.000 So long as he doesn't do that, Putin has no reason to play ball.

00:23:49.000 And then I'd just try to wait him out if I'm Vladimir Putin and continue trying to take as much of Ukraine as I can.

00:23:56.000 Without U.S. arms and military support and cyber support and all of our intel, we provide them with a ton of their different coordinates and everything that they use as coordinates to attack.

00:24:09.000 Without that support from us, Ukraine isn't going to be very...

00:24:14.000 Much of a worthy opponent to the Russians, and they'd be able to trample over them very quickly. 1.00

00:24:18.000 So my plan, if I were Putin, would just be wait this out, continue raising up more soldiers.

00:24:24.000 Russians historically don't care about throwing hundreds of thousands of people into the meat grinder so long as they fulfill their irredentist dreams, which I do believe Putin and different people in his administration do have. 0.68

00:24:35.000 They want all of Ukraine, and if the United States walks away, I think they have a fair chance of getting it. 0.98

00:24:42.000 It could be that they won over Ukraine, but we have seen that that front line has crystallized and hasn't really moved over the last 18 months, basically.

00:24:50.000 And so there's something to be said of waiting out the clock.

00:24:53.000 That probably is their goal, considering they haven't made a huge offensive in, what, nine months?

00:24:59.000 I also don't blame Americans for being sick of sending arms and support to the Ukrainians with not much to show for it after doing so for...

00:25:10.000 Three plus years?

00:25:11.000 I mean, I don't even know how long it's been.

00:25:12.000 So I understand the fatigue among Americans.

00:25:16.000 Well, Americans are just allergic to foreign intervention in general after 20 years in the Middle East.

00:25:20.000 Like, we don't differentiate based on which region that it's in.

00:25:23.000 We're just sick of it.

00:25:24.000 Yeah, I mean, even among the Democrats, I feel like support for Ukraine has dwindled.

00:25:28.000 And it's going to be very tough for them.

00:25:30.000 I don't see this ending very well for Ukraine when the United States seems to walk away.

00:25:37.000 That's what Trump's posturing right now.

00:25:39.000 We'll see if that changes.

00:25:40.000 Maybe something happens where Trump changes his mind.

00:26:00.000 I can't read it.

00:26:11.000 More like Ukraine. 0.96

00:26:12.000 You see this situation where the way the left thinks is they can't analyze anything beyond a certain point where they just see big country attacking small country.

00:26:23.000 This is bad.

00:26:24.000 Because you'll see this alignment on the left where people are pro-Ukraine but also pro-Palestine.

00:26:31.000 And it's like, if you want to be ideologically consistent and you want...

00:26:34.000 Let's say your favorite, so to speak, is Ukraine, then why would you be a land of Palestine? 0.97

00:26:39.000 They're on opposite ends of the axis, so to speak.

00:26:41.000 This is a distinction that Tim makes, right?

00:26:43.000 So the woke people, when Tim describes woke, he describes it as just like the, I think the phrase he uses is...

00:26:51.000 Cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.

00:26:53.000 And those people are the ones that don't have any sense, where it doesn't make any sense why they're supporting one or the other.

00:26:59.000 If you get more granular with leftist thought process, it's all about power struggle, power dynamics.

00:27:05.000 So the Ukraine is less powerful than Russia, so Ukraine is good. 1.00

00:27:08.000 The Palestinians are less powerful than the Israelis, so... 1.00

00:27:13.000 Palestinians are good. 0.95

00:27:14.000 It's always just about whoever has more power and they're using that power, they're the immoral ones because they have them.

00:27:21.000 They conceptualize the world as like Star Wars because you always see them putting memes up and it's like Putin's Palpatine. 1.00

00:27:28.000 Yeah, they're morons. 0.99

00:27:29.000 Yeah, their entire worldview is shaped by American media. 0.99

00:27:33.000 Yeah, I mean, well, not only that, but if you look at all of leftist philosophers, all of the people that were writing books, Right before post-modernism became in vogue, right?

00:27:46.000 So in the late 30s, 40s, 50s and stuff, when the writers were people like Marc Hughes and stuff they were writing, it's all about power dynamics.

00:27:54.000 It's all about who's got power and who doesn't have power.

00:27:56.000 And if you don't have power and you're resisting people that do have power, that makes you morally good.

00:28:01.000 It doesn't matter if you're blowing up babies or if you're a terrorist or if you're killing people.

00:28:06.000 If you're killing people that are in power... 0.96

00:28:09.000 It's bad.

00:28:09.000 It's good.

00:28:10.000 That's why they love Luigi.

00:28:12.000 Luigi killed a man who had a lot of money.

00:28:14.000 That man ostensibly had more power than Luigi, so therefore Luigi's good.

00:28:18.000 It's that simple.

00:28:20.000 It's not in any way any deeper than that. 1.00

00:28:24.000 It's just stupid leftism. 0.99

00:28:26.000 Yeah, and there's something that Aiden hit on earlier, which was important with the back and forth of the law. 0.99

00:28:29.000 It was like sort of conceptualizing Iran, China, and Russia as this united, access to united front against American hegemony.

00:28:37.000 I don't think that tracks, because Russia and China are, like, historically, they would be rivals, considering China has aspirations.

00:28:45.000 They see the east of Russia from Vladivostok all the way to, like, you know, was it Tanatuva, whatever the region is, to the left of Mongolia.

00:28:53.000 They have aspirations there.

00:28:54.000 So the fact that we keep pushing Russia in China's direction is so frustrating.

00:28:58.000 And you're actually hearing this echoed by a lot of people in the Trump...

00:29:02.000 I think it's entirely accurate.

00:29:04.000 We're not thinking long-term about this, of pushing three countries that really don't have much in common.

00:29:10.000 Russia and China, I mentioned the Far East, you have Central Asia.

00:29:13.000 They have competing interests there with all the minerals that are there.

00:29:18.000 Russia sees these as their lost Soviet territories, and the Chinese see this as an extension of China.

00:29:23.000 So you have these overlapping claims.

00:29:24.000 It just makes zero sense that we're pushing Russia in the direction of China.

00:29:29.000 I mean, following the fall of the Soviet Union, there was a chance there where we could have incorporated them into the Western sphere.

00:29:34.000 So it's just completely...

00:29:36.000 Mind-boggling foreign policy.

00:29:37.000 That's verboten to even mention here in the U.S., though.

00:29:40.000 Like, you can't talk about having any kind of positive relations with Russia.

00:29:44.000 If you say...

00:29:45.000 I mean, just the fact that we're talking about it on this show, people are going to be like, oh...

00:29:49.000 Well, and I don't want to downplay...

00:29:50.000 Like, people take this as like...

00:29:51.000 They use this to take a shot at boomers. 0.89

00:29:53.000 They're like, oh, you know, they still view Russia as the Soviet Union.

00:29:56.000 I do want to say, like, if you grew up going to school, hiding under desks, like, it's hard to get that out of your mind that there's this adversary.

00:30:04.000 I mean, you can speak to...

00:30:05.000 I'm never doing duck and cover, but I do remember the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:30:08.000 I do remember the end of the war.

00:30:09.000 You speak to people that were around during the World War.

00:30:11.000 It took them a long time to get over their adversaries in that war.

00:30:15.000 So it's like, I don't necessarily give the boomers a hard time.

00:30:17.000 That being said, it's time to get real.

00:30:19.000 It's 2025.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, I mean, I've been to Russia multiple times.

00:30:23.000 While it's a different place, it doesn't strike me as the Soviet Union.

00:30:29.000 When I think of what I saw as a kid in movies and stuff like that, or the way it was portrayed, and granted, Hollywood is just portraying Hollywood, and so there was a certain amount of theatrics to what I saw.

00:30:44.000 When I actually went to Russia, it could have been any other European city, to be honest with you.

00:30:53.000 Vladimir Putin does think it is still the Soviet Union, or at least should be.

00:30:57.000 And that's kind of what's pushing the claims.

00:31:00.000 Hold on, I want to put a pin in that.

00:31:02.000 Do you think that Vladimir Putin has aspirations beyond the territory that he's taken now in Ukraine?

00:31:10.000 I personally think he might go for all of Ukraine, but there's a different relationship with Ukraine and the rest of Europe.

00:31:17.000 There are people that are making the, well, you know, he'll go for Poland.

00:31:19.000 I don't think that he'll go for any NATO countries at all.

00:31:22.000 I don't think that he would go that far.

00:31:24.000 I mean, I think maybe he would want to.

00:31:27.000 I just don't think it's possible.

00:31:29.000 They're already having enough of a struggle in Ukraine.

00:31:31.000 I mean, in the early days of the war, they thought the special military operation would last, what, a week?

00:31:36.000 And it didn't.

00:31:38.000 And I think, you know, would he go for all of Ukraine?

00:31:41.000 I mean, I imagine yes.

00:31:43.000 His whole philosophy is pushing that the idea of Ukraine is fictional.

00:31:51.000 I think that – I don't think he'll ever get the full Ukraine. 0.98

00:32:00.000 I mean the Russians – the thing that the pro-Ukrainian liberals don't talk about is the cost to Ukrainian society.

00:32:09.000 I think J.D. Vance talked about this.

00:32:10.000 There are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men.

00:32:17.000 They've lost or maimed an entire generation.

00:32:22.000 People have massively fed the country, especially the women, and it's going to be really tough to recover from that if they do still exist at the end of the war. 0.96

00:32:34.000 Even Russia, they're pulling convicts.

00:32:38.000 From the prisons to go fight because they obviously don't care if their convicts die, but it's also partially to hide the brutality of the war in Russian society.

00:32:49.000 And ultimately, I do think that there will be a deal of some kind.

00:32:54.000 Maybe Putin is trying to wait Trump out, but I...

00:32:58.000 For as much as Trump and Vance criticize the war and criticize the European Union for not upholding its security obligations, there is still interest in Russia not taking over the whole of Ukraine.

00:33:13.000 I think where a lot of America First conservatives and regular Americans have this aversion is...

00:33:21.000 The immediate European rhetoric is let's go put boots on the ground in Ukraine, and the Americans think why would we do that?

00:33:30.000 We just got out of a war, and the war in Ukraine is – I mean it's trench warfare.

00:33:36.000 It's vicious.

00:33:37.000 It's completely different from – No, it's totally different than Afghanistan. 0.90

00:33:50.000 It's different than fighting the militias in Iraq.

00:33:53.000 It's totally different.

00:33:54.000 I do think that Russia has, I mean, under Putin, has imperial ambitions of some kind.

00:34:01.000 I think, I mean, that's kind of been their entire history.

00:34:06.000 It has always been the push.

00:34:12.000 I think that there is probably some internal pressure that isn't public.

00:34:32.000 And maybe, you know, just maybe Trump will actually...

00:34:38.000 Follow through on some kind of commitment.

00:34:40.000 And that's why they're trying to ink the Critical Mineral deal.

00:34:42.000 This is not a situation where America says, hey, we're going to give you everything we have.

00:34:52.000 And we just want you to be our friend and be nice, because every single time we've done that, we've gotten screwed over by civilian governments that don't fulfill their obligations, whatever they are, especially when we were trying and failing to nation-build in the Middle East, but even among other countries,

00:35:07.000 even in our hemisphere, that have taken a bunch of Chinese money and don't follow the actual interests of their country and or our lead.

00:35:17.000 And so I think that if...

00:35:20.000 If Zelensky is open and willing to negotiate an actual fair price for U.S. involvement, then maybe we'll work something out.

00:35:29.000 But we don't owe them anything.

00:35:33.000 Well, I mean, if this New York Times piece is accurate, it doesn't sound like there will be any kind of mineral deal coming out of Ukraine either.

00:35:50.000 I don't see, you know, companies wanting to go into Ukraine and actually do any kind of infrastructure work that would take to actually do mining or to get the...

00:36:02.000 Where it's out of the ground.

00:36:03.000 Then I would maybe say to them, find a different deal you're willing to make.

00:36:08.000 I mean, it's the same concept with the Houthis, and I've talked to other people about that issue.

00:36:13.000 It's, okay, the U.S. is the only—I think there was an article recently saying how the U.S. is the only country with the capability to strike the Houthis, and that France and the other European countries can't.

00:36:24.000 They can't even defend an area, a geographic area that is most important to them.

00:36:31.000 Without our help.

00:36:32.000 And to that I say, pay up.

00:36:35.000 I mean, yeah, with the Houthis, the Brits couldn't even get jets in the air. 0.99

00:36:38.000 They made this big commitment to the Yemen crisis and they couldn't even get fighter jets scrambled.

00:36:44.000 We're legitimately the only player.

00:36:46.000 Who was that?

00:36:46.000 The Brits.

00:36:47.000 Oh, jeez.

00:36:48.000 The lack of...

00:36:50.000 Financial and militaristic support and contributions from the European countries to NATO and Ukraine, I think is the real issue at hand.

00:36:58.000 The fact that we're subsidizing the Ukraine war more than any of the Europeans, when this is more of their problem than it is ours, given just straight up geography, is kind of outlandish.

00:37:11.000 France is barely, I mean, I don't think many of these countries even give their allotted percent of GDP to NATO.

00:37:19.000 Outrank us.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, and Aiden, I wanted to follow up on something you said, talking with Phil about, like, what Russian ambitions are here.

00:37:28.000 I think it's the whole of Ukraine, and I think Putin would be willing even to put Americans and Europeans in a tough position down the line by challenging NATO, because, like, you know, if he were to invade, I don't know,

00:37:44.000 what is it over here?

00:37:45.000 Not Poland, but like...

00:37:48.000 Well, it goes to Ukraine.

00:37:49.000 That was the argument.

00:37:50.000 One of the Baltic states, for example, like, I think he could drive a hard conversation in the United States here.

00:37:55.000 It's like, how involved do we want to get in protecting these countries?

00:38:00.000 Realistically, how different is one of these Baltic countries than Ukraine to an American?

00:38:04.000 Because the Baltics are in NATO.

00:38:05.000 Because the Baltics are in NATO, but...

00:38:07.000 You know, there has to be a conversation.

00:38:09.000 We are obligated treaty-wise to defend them, but when push comes to shove, there needs to be a conversation.

00:38:15.000 Here in the United States, if we are willing to send troops and go to nuclear war over the Baltic states...

00:38:21.000 I think that the United States would likely live up to its NATO obligations.

00:38:26.000 I think that's what...

00:38:28.000 I mean, down the line, Putin might be willing to test.

00:38:31.000 But with the way some of our politicians are talking about NATO now, I could see a future where we potentially even leave NATO.

00:38:38.000 I mean, Trump said he wanted to leave NATO throughout his campaigning in both terms.

00:38:43.000 So, like, this isn't beyond the realm of conversation or the Overton window.

00:38:47.000 Something like that down the line.

00:38:49.000 So I could see NATO potentially weakening, our rhetoric around it weakening.

00:38:53.000 These other countries aren't contributing.

00:38:55.000 I forget what the specific amount I think.

00:38:57.000 I think it's 2% or 3% of GDP, but they aren't living up to their obligations.

00:39:03.000 One of the Baltic countries get invaded.

00:39:05.000 We just say, hey, you guys haven't been pulling your weight.

00:39:08.000 I don't want to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Americans to go die in the Baltics over what?

00:39:15.000 Over Eastern Europe?

00:39:16.000 I think that's a hard conversation to have with the American people.

00:39:20.000 Ultimately, my response to that is, number one, I think 100% Putin is going through the entire Ukraine.

00:39:26.000 I mean, obviously.

00:39:27.000 As much as he could get.

00:39:29.000 Yeah, definitely as much as he can get.

00:39:32.000 I think ultimately they'll have a hard time.

00:39:37.000 Whatever they get, if they get anything, they're going to have a hard time kind of digesting domestically.

00:39:43.000 But I think...

00:39:45.000 The situation you're talking about, in my mind, happens on these terms.

00:39:49.000 We exhaust ourselves on other second- and third-order national security commitments, and we're not prepared for when China comes. 0.85

00:39:58.000 When China comes and we're distracted and scrambling is when they try to step in. 0.99

00:40:03.000 I think, ultimately, and we can argue all day about whether or not this is 4D chess or 8D chess from President Trump.

00:40:11.000 Everything that Trump is doing, even though he is actively hostile to the European countries right now, is in an effort to get them to man up, basically.

00:40:20.000 And I think the ideal world is, even if we're exhausted and we still have to go deal with China, and that's when Russia decides to do something again, ideally the European countries would be ready.

00:40:32.000 I don't think the US will leave NATO anytime soon.

00:40:35.000 I know people have talked about it.

00:40:37.000 I don't think it's realistic because it is still a useful tool for American foreign policy, regardless if somebody is an isolationist or not.

00:40:44.000 Ideally, the isolationist would use NATO to force other countries to pay up, right?

00:40:49.000 So I think...

00:40:51.000 Well, I think the isolationist would just want to abandon NATO altogether.

00:40:54.000 Well, maybe a strict isolationist.

00:40:56.000 Let me say, let me correct that to realist.

00:40:57.000 I think a realist...

00:41:15.000 I think Russia doesn't end up doing anything because we have pressured our European allies to actually...

00:41:25.000 Make themselves stronger and more defensible.

00:41:55.000 Yes, but it's going to be a really tough sell, I think.

00:41:59.000 I think if China does make a move on Taiwan the way things are, we're going to have some pretty heavy losses early on.

00:42:07.000 And given the way that Americans usually react to heavy losses, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to go and say, let's just...

00:42:14.000 Let's give it up.

00:42:15.000 I feel like we've been talking about that for my entire lifetime.

00:42:17.000 The China invading Taiwan and then bombing Iran.

00:42:20.000 And I don't know.

00:42:21.000 We'll see if I get one of the two.

00:42:22.000 So listen, we're going to move on to this next story right here.

00:42:26.000 Fox News is reporting that Trump Hegseth announced Golden Dome, a game changer to protect American homeland.

00:42:34.000 They've been alluding to this for a bit, but Fox says President Donald Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced the U.S. will soon begin construction of a Golden Dome missile defense system they say will be a next-generation game-changer protecting the American homeland from outside adversaries.

00:42:50.000 A similar system, the Iron Dome, has already been developed in Israel with U.S. assistance and has proven effective in repelling missile attacks.

00:42:57.000 Now, Trump says a bigger, more technologically advanced multi-layered dome system will soon be installed in America.

00:43:03.000 The president announced the one big, beautiful bill being discussed in Congress will include $25 billion in initial funding for the project, which he expects will cost $175 billion overall.

00:43:15.000 He said he expects a major phase of the dome will be complete in under three years and that it will be fully operational before the end of my term.

00:43:22.000 He noted there's significant support for the project in Congress, quipping, it's amazing how easy this one is to fund.

00:43:29.000 What do you guys think?

00:43:30.000 Do you think that a...

00:43:32.000 The technology is there to actually intercept ICBMs or, you know, delivery systems, entry, re-entry vehicles, because you're talking about...

00:43:42.000 F yeah, golden domes.

00:43:43.000 I'm about it, yeah.

00:43:45.000 I don't think we're getting shot by missiles, but I think having it is...

00:43:50.000 The point of it is to prevent...

00:43:51.000 The point of it is to deter.

00:43:53.000 Like, if there's, you know, if Russia were to say, okay, we actually can't attack the United States and reliably...

00:44:02.000 You know, rely on maddening, more mutually assured destruction.

00:44:07.000 We can't rely on our missiles getting through both the Iron Dome, bombers not being intercepted by F-22s.

00:44:14.000 If we are that technologically advanced, then it becomes a whole totally different, you know, conversation.

00:44:21.000 What Russia is going to do, what China can do.

00:44:24.000 Because if we were to have this particular weapon system, right?

00:44:29.000 So say it gets built.

00:44:30.000 Then China can't move on Taiwan.

00:44:32.000 So, I mean, so they're comparing it to the Iron Dome, right?

00:44:36.000 The Iron Dome is a system used to defend Israel from relatively rudimentary rockets and missiles from Hezbollah and Hamas.

00:44:45.000 Hezbollah is not rudimentary.

00:44:46.000 The Hamas stuff... 0.98

00:44:47.000 Relative, though.

00:44:48.000 Hamas is... 0.69

00:44:49.000 No, relative to like a supersonic missile or something that Russia or China could make.

00:44:53.000 These guys are making bomb missiles compared to the Russians and Chinese. 1.00

00:44:55.000 Most missiles are going to go faster than the speed of sound.

00:44:58.000 Right?

00:44:59.000 They're supersonic.

00:45:00.000 I guess my point is the technology leap would be a lot bigger for the enemies that we'd be dealing with.

00:45:04.000 And this might be effective against a lower...

00:45:07.000 Why do you say that?

00:45:08.000 Because I think the missiles that China or Russia would be trying to shoot would be a lot better and probably get through most of our air missile defenses.

00:45:18.000 Why do you say that?

00:45:18.000 Because it's harder to shoot down a missile than it is to shoot a missile at somebody, a lot harder, probably hundreds of times as hard, and you could overwhelm the system.

00:45:26.000 So, like, they were comparing it to the Iron Dome, and the Iron Dome is effective because Hamas and Hezbollah and Israel's, you know, relatively weak regional enemies, they were able to defend against.

00:45:36.000 But, like, once you get past a certain threshold, I don't think it's a weapon that it's...

00:45:40.000 A defense system that's, like, necessary.

00:45:42.000 What I'm asking you is, is it just like, well, I don't think because I assume that China and Russia are...

00:45:49.000 Russia and China have a lot better rockets and many more of them.

00:45:54.000 But they're not rockets, they're missiles.

00:45:55.000 And also...

00:45:56.000 Yeah, well, I'm backing up a lot, too, is, like, they're going to have a payload.

00:45:59.000 Like, with Russia and China, if they're launching an ICBM, there's going to be a serious payload.

00:46:03.000 With Hezbollah, they're just... 1.00

00:46:05.000 Well, yeah, but the...

00:46:05.000 So, the point that I'm making, though, is if the technology is there...

00:46:09.000 If you're saying, I doubt the technology, that's a legitimate argument.

00:46:13.000 If you're saying, okay, I don't think that we actually can make that technology.

00:46:18.000 I don't think we could actually make this work.

00:46:20.000 And that's the argument that you're making.

00:46:22.000 I don't think we're getting shot by missiles.

00:46:25.000 Like, Israel needs the Iron Dome because they're being shot at with missiles.

00:46:30.000 We in the United States don't get shot at with missiles in that way, so I don't think it's...

00:46:36.000 Not yet.

00:46:36.000 Not yet, and it's not needed.

00:46:38.000 So if we did have, like, I don't know, at the southern border, you know, some of these...

00:46:44.000 So a B-2 is $100 billion, right?

00:46:47.000 One.

00:46:47.000 Sure.

00:46:48.000 I think that was when they came out, when they were first released in the 90s.

00:46:52.000 So I don't know what they cost now.

00:46:53.000 I think an F-22 is on the same, something like that as well.

00:46:57.000 So one of them.

00:46:58.000 If it's two, if it's the cost of two F-22s, even if it's the cost of four F-22s...

00:47:04.000 This is six doges.

00:47:06.000 We've cut $60 billion so far.

00:47:08.000 This is expensive.

00:47:09.000 Honestly, it's...

00:47:11.000 It depends on how you look at it.

00:47:13.000 If you're talking about...

00:47:15.000 I don't know how many F-22s are in a squadron, but it's more than four.

00:47:20.000 And an F-22, again, I'm not exactly sure, but they're on the order of $75 to $100 billion or something like that per plane.

00:47:27.000 I'm hawkish.

00:47:28.000 I love weapons.

00:47:28.000 What is the use case?

00:47:30.000 I think I might have one for you.

00:47:33.000 There was an article a while back talking about the Chinese testing...

00:47:39.000 Missiles that go...

00:47:42.000 Through the South Pole.

00:47:43.000 Because right now, our missile defense systems, because of the Cold War and all that, they're geared towards going over the Arctic with the USSR. 0.54

00:47:50.000 Unfortunately, I can't talk about—I don't know much about the actual mechanics, but there was an article about how the Chinese are trying to test out missiles that can go to the South Pole and return to China.

00:48:02.000 And I don't think that our missile defense systems are geared towards that kind of entry point.

00:48:07.000 So that would be—if that is actually correct— This article I think was at least within the last year or so.

00:48:14.000 I can't quite remember.

00:48:15.000 If that is correct, I think that's a good reason to try it.

00:48:18.000 Phil, I don't think the missile defense system is the deterrent.

00:48:21.000 I think the nuclear strikeback is the deterrent, just so we're...

00:48:25.000 If you don't have the capacity to strike the U.S. and take out U.S. silos and U.S. missiles before...

00:48:37.000 They launch, and you're never going to be able to take out submarines, right?

00:48:41.000 But if you don't have the capacity to take out ground-based missile silos and take out the airfields where planes take off from, like, if you render your strikes, the U.S. renders the strikes totally useless.

00:48:57.000 And that's a deterrent.

00:48:59.000 If you get rid of the abilities...

00:49:02.000 Your enemy's ability to mutually assure destruction, right?

00:49:05.000 You're getting rid of their ability to assure your destruction.

00:49:08.000 Yeah, but they're not deterred by us being able to stop their weapons.

00:49:10.000 They are deterred by us destroying them.

00:49:13.000 I think the use case for this defense system is going to be sent overseas.

00:49:17.000 This is likely another subsidy to Israel, is what I'm seeing out of this.

00:49:21.000 A gold subsidy, because it's going to be a gold iron dome.

00:49:23.000 Because they're the only ones who are going to use it, or in Ukraine, or maybe in Taiwan.

00:49:26.000 Because they're more likely to get shot by missiles that they'd be able...

00:49:31.000 Why would they shoot missiles at Taiwan when they want to take it? 0.99

00:49:35.000 To destroy the military infrastructure on the island before they try to invade it?

00:49:40.000 They do want to keep the chip...

00:49:41.000 Sure, sure.

00:49:42.000 But it's not like China, of course, would shoot missiles into Taiwan.

00:49:45.000 I mean, they have military defense systems.

00:49:48.000 That's, you know.

00:49:50.000 Hey, I'm sure the fact that he's calling it gold makes me feel like it's a bit of a vanity project.

00:49:55.000 And it sounds in place nice.

00:49:59.000 If we had a nice use case for it, I'd be more about it.

00:50:01.000 Hey, more military spending.

00:50:02.000 I'm for it.

00:50:02.000 But let's put this on the southern border.

00:50:05.000 Maybe we could start shooting down some of those cartel drones that I hear so much about.

00:50:08.000 But otherwise, like...

00:50:11.000 I'm shocked.

00:50:12.000 No, I'm about it.

00:50:13.000 I just want more use case for it. 0.97

00:50:15.000 I just don't think it's...

00:50:16.000 Most of the stuff in the military is probably not necessary either.

00:50:19.000 I mean, honestly, most of the military's hardware isn't actually for use.

00:50:28.000 It's to deter.

00:50:30.000 The whole concept of peace through strength isn't to go out and actually...

00:50:36.000 It's to make sure that the U.S. is so far advanced of all of our adversaries that the enemy can't win.

00:50:46.000 That's the whole point of Peace Through Strength.

00:50:48.000 It's the whole point of the U.S. military spending totally.

00:50:52.000 Yeah, I think we still have a different understanding of deterrence.

00:50:55.000 I still think the deterrence is not the self-defense missile system.

00:50:58.000 I think it's the fact that we're going to blow you.

00:51:00.000 If you were right, then the only thing we would need in the military is nuclear weapons.

00:51:05.000 If you were right, the only thing that we would need is nuclear weapons.

00:51:09.000 And we wouldn't need aircraft carriers.

00:51:11.000 We wouldn't need to project power.

00:51:12.000 We would just say, okay, if you do anything, we'll just smoke you.

00:51:14.000 That's not the way that our military works.

00:51:16.000 We still need the conventional military because we hope it never gets to nuclear war.

00:51:21.000 Almost all the time throughout human history, it hasn't.

00:51:23.000 But, I mean, let's just go through this little thought process right now.

00:51:27.000 I have nuclear weapons, you have nuclear weapons. 1.00

00:51:28.000 I shoot at you, you shoot it down. 1.00

00:51:30.000 Am I deterred from shooting at you more? 0.99

00:51:32.000 Not because of your self-defense system. 1.00

00:51:34.000 I'm deterred at shooting you more because you could kill me back. 1.00

00:51:37.000 I'd keep shooting at you if you just shot down what I shot at you. 1.00

00:51:40.000 But it changes the equation by saying, you can't ensure that you'll be able to destroy me. 0.99

00:51:47.000 So when I take action...

00:51:50.000 Right?

00:51:50.000 If the U.S. were to...

00:51:51.000 So say that we had the Golden Dome now, right?

00:51:54.000 And the U.S. said, Putin, you need to get out of Ukraine.

00:51:58.000 And Putin says, I don't want to.

00:52:00.000 And then the U.S. says, well, we're going to go in and we're going to make you get out.

00:52:04.000 What's Putin going to do?

00:52:05.000 Putin can't attack the U.S. mainland because the Golden Dome is there.

00:52:09.000 I think we have a different understanding of the limits of the...

00:52:13.000 This won't be able to shoot down ICBMs in multiple...

00:52:15.000 That's why I asked you in the very...

00:52:17.000 I don't even think it said that, Bill.

00:52:18.000 Stop and listen.

00:52:19.000 Stop and listen.

00:52:20.000 Stop and listen.

00:52:21.000 The very first thing I said is you doubt whether or not the technology exists to do what it says.

00:52:27.000 I'm saying if the Golden Dome can do what it says, if they can stop...

00:52:33.000 The incoming entry vehicles to deliver missile systems, to deliver warheads, then that's the premise that I'm going on.

00:52:43.000 We're going to go to listen to this and see what Donald Trump said about it here.

00:52:46.000 I am pleased to announce that we have officially selected an architecture for this state-of-the-art system that will deploy next-generation technologies across the land, sea and space, including space-based sensors and interceptors.

00:53:01.000 And Canada has called us and they want to be a part of it.

00:53:04.000 So we'll be talking to them.

00:53:06.000 They want to have protection also.

00:53:08.000 So as usual, we help Canada do the best we can.

00:53:12.000 This design for the Golden Dome will integrate with our existing defense capabilities and should be fully operational before the end of my term.

00:53:21.000 So we'll have it done in about three years.

00:53:24.000 Once fully constructed, the Golden Dome will be capable of intercepting missiles, even if they are launched from other sides of the world, and even if they are launched from space.

00:53:36.000 And we will have the best system ever built.

00:53:39.000 As you know, we helped Israel with theirs, and it was very successful.

00:53:44.000 And now we have technology that's even far advanced from that.

00:53:48.000 But including...

00:53:50.000 Hypersonic missiles, ballistic missiles, and advanced cruise missiles, all of them will be knocked out of the air.

00:53:57.000 We will truly be completing the job that President Reagan started 40 years ago, forever ending the missile threat to the American homeland, and the success rate is very close to 100%, which is incredible.

00:54:10.000 When you think of it, you're shooting bullets out of the air.

00:54:13.000 I'm also pleased to report that the one big, beautiful bill will include $25 billion for the Golden Dome.

00:54:20.000 To help construction get underway, that's the initial sort of a down posit.

00:54:26.000 And we have probably, you're talking about, General, we're talking about $175 billion total cost of this when it's completed.

00:54:37.000 So $175 billion, the U.S. has something on the order of, let me see one second, has something on the order of, let's see, one, four?

00:54:51.000 Squadrons of F-22s, and each F-22 costs something on the order of, what, 143?

00:54:59.000 This is like 150 that are available at any time to scramble.

00:55:03.000 That's what I read.

00:55:04.000 Oh, 150.

00:55:05.000 150 planes are available at any time to scramble, but it says that there's, I think just the last tab you had to open right here was the number of squadrons was like 24 aircraft.

00:55:15.000 Yeah.

00:55:15.000 And so that means that you're actually spending more money on F-22s just to buy them, never mind maintenance and cost of weaponry, than they are the Golden Dome.

00:55:29.000 Now, the point that I'm only trying to make is I'm trying to get you to be clear about what your argument is.

00:55:36.000 If you think that the technology won't work as advertised, then that's a perfectly reasonable argument.

00:55:42.000 Which is, I'm skeptical.

00:55:45.000 Put into a, what?

00:55:48.000 Israel's been using similar systems for years and it's overcepted over 5,000 rockets at a 90% success rate.

00:55:55.000 I don't want to be putting a false lulled sense of security over this.

00:56:00.000 I think nuclear submarines off of either of our coasts would be able to shoot missiles at us, and an amount of them that would overwhelm our systems better than we'd be able to defend ourselves.

00:56:13.000 And maybe I'm naive to think that.

00:56:14.000 I'm not sure that the U.S. doesn't know where...

00:56:17.000 All of the nuclear submarine, nuclear-armed submarines are at all times.

00:56:23.000 The U.S. does have submarines that are strictly tasked with following nuclear subs, right?

00:56:31.000 And there's not a lot of countries that have subs that can launch nuclear missiles.

00:56:34.000 It's Russia. 0.81

00:56:35.000 Russia and China are the... 0.89

00:56:37.000 I don't even think China does.

00:56:39.000 I don't think China can launch nuclear missiles from a submarine.

00:56:42.000 But the point that I'm making is...

00:56:45.000 I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

00:56:46.000 Do you think that this kind of expenditure is actually worth it?

00:56:51.000 You know, I mean, out of the Pentagon's budget, which is a trillion dollars a year, you know, almost 20% of it on one weapon system, but if it works as advertised, and we're going to go on the premise that it does work as advertised,

00:57:09.000 right?

00:57:10.000 So say it works as advertised.

00:57:11.000 Isn't that worth it?

00:57:13.000 I think generally it would be.

00:57:15.000 And the thing I'm most interested in actually is, number one, Canada's interest.

00:57:21.000 Canada's interest?

00:57:22.000 Are you Canadian?

00:57:23.000 You should have to pay for half of it, right?

00:57:25.000 No, exactly.

00:57:25.000 It's just another thing that Trump's going to be doing for three years.

00:57:27.000 And we don't take maple syrup.

00:57:29.000 But actually I think the most interesting thing is what they were talking about, about space.

00:57:33.000 I actually released an article.

00:57:36.000 A little while ago talking about the concept of letters of mark, which is in the Constitution, Congress is able to give letters of mark to private companies or whatever to go after adversaries, right?

00:57:49.000 And I think space, although technically it is demilitarized right now because of some international treaties, is going to be one of the massive...

00:57:58.000 For the future, for multiple reasons, but mostly because of satellites.

00:58:03.000 We rely on satellites for just about everything, including GPS, our emergency alert systems.

00:58:10.000 If somebody's able to take those down, forget about the prepper apocalypse.

00:58:17.000 We're good to go.

00:58:37.000 Protecting us from space threats is probably number one.

00:58:40.000 So just an update, China possesses six operational Jin-class ballistic missile submarines.

00:58:45.000 So there are six subs that China has that can launch nuclear missiles.

00:58:51.000 I'm not sure how many Russia has.

00:58:54.000 But it's not like there's a hundred countries that can launch nuclear missiles from submarines.

00:59:01.000 There's only a handful if there's any more than just China and the U.S. I don't think that maybe the French do. 1.00

00:59:11.000 I don't think that the UK does.

00:59:13.000 I mean, most countries don't have...

00:59:16.000 More than one or two aircraft carriers.

00:59:18.000 And like you said, I mean, not just us, the Japanese, the South Koreans, they're keeping tabs on those nuclear subs.

00:59:23.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 There's only one way in or out.

00:59:25.000 This stuff sounds very reminiscent of Reagan's Star Wars program.

00:59:29.000 I don't know.

00:59:30.000 I wasn't around back then.

00:59:31.000 I was?

00:59:32.000 Yeah.

00:59:32.000 Maybe you could talk a little bit more to how this sounds like that 2.0.

00:59:36.000 Yeah.

00:59:37.000 Robots were not like robots are today, though.

00:59:40.000 The technology that we have today.

00:59:44.000 Compared to the technology in the 80s, all the stuff that we have now is all the stuff that I dreamt about when I was a kid and I saw in movies when I was a kid.

00:59:54.000 It's all real now.

00:59:56.000 My car, I can afford a car that drives me wherever I want to go.

01:00:01.000 I just tell it where to go and it drives me.

01:00:03.000 The idea that the US could design a...

01:00:10.000 Missile system that could intercept missiles, especially when you—if a missile launches, an ICBM launches on the other side of the world, you know within—the U.S. knows within five minutes where it's going, right?

01:00:25.000 They get enough information to tell where the trajectory is going to have it.

01:00:30.000 So, you know, I forget the name of the— Of the lady that wrote a book about it, and I just read the book like six months ago or something like that, but she was talking about it.

01:00:38.000 What happens when a nuclear strike is initiated?

01:00:42.000 And look, if the U.S. can tell that there is a nuclear missile heading towards the U.S. within five minutes and that it'll land in the U.S. in 25 minutes later, if we have the ability to design a capable nuclear missile shield,

01:00:59.000 I think that's absolutely worth it.

01:01:03.000 If it is capable of intercepting missiles, I imagine that it's likely that it could be retrofitted to do something about incoming large asteroids, or at least it wouldn't be a significant leap, and those are real threats as well.

01:01:20.000 So I think that the usefulness of this on its face, it may seem like, oh, maybe, you know, that's just silly or whatever, but the more you actually think about it, and...

01:01:31.000 And brainstorm the possible applications.

01:01:34.000 It actually is more than just, oh, hey, what if someone shoots a missile at you?

01:01:39.000 Well, the missile thing doesn't even worry me as much as when Ada hit on with the drone situation.

01:01:44.000 I mean, we couldn't even shoot down the weather balloon that was floating over New Jersey.

01:01:47.000 So it's like, okay, yeah, missiles, that's nice to have that little insurance.

01:01:51.000 But the drone warfare videos, nightmare fuel.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:01:55.000 I mean, the border was wide open for four years, really could argue for 50 years.

01:01:59.000 So it's like, we don't know where these drones could launch from.

01:02:03.000 Who knows?

01:02:03.000 And that's what actually keeps me up at night is the drone situation.

01:02:06.000 Yeah, I think that it's actually far more useful than we actually are giving it credit for, especially with the argument that...

01:02:11.000 It costs $100.

01:02:12.000 If it does what they say.

01:02:13.000 Of course, yes, absolutely, 100%.

01:02:15.000 There is so much grift in the...

01:02:17.000 The federal contracting system, especially with defense, as I'm sure you would point out.

01:02:21.000 So if they're actually able to deliver even on half of what Trump was saying, then I think it's well worth it.

01:02:27.000 I would say that when it comes to military spending and military capability, sometimes it takes a minute for the capability to catch up with the promises.

01:02:42.000 But if there is anything the government is actually good at doing...

01:02:46.000 It is at figuring out ways to blow stuff up.

01:02:50.000 And, you know, eventually the military tech generally, not every single weapon system, but generally military tech catches up to the promises because the U.S. has an endless money pit.

01:03:04.000 They can just keep throwing money at it.

01:03:06.000 If the promises are kept for what this missile defense system, what Reagan dreamed of, what his Star Wars program dreamed of, would actually be effective, it would completely shift the landscape of geopolitics as a result.

01:03:19.000 It would throw out the mad doctrine if countries were able to shoot down each other's ballistic nuclear weapons.

01:03:25.000 And also, the way that would play in is that we stop countries from trying to acquire nuclear weapons now on the basis, on the premise that we wouldn't be able to shoot down those missiles.

01:03:35.000 It would completely change the game of how we allowed or what weapons we would potentially allow and the leeway for more countries if we knew we could defend ourselves against them.

01:03:44.000 Again, I think it's a crazy promise to, you know, you only need to get one nuclear weapon through to be completely screwed and it wouldn't be ballistic missiles shot from the other side of the country.

01:03:52.000 It would be a ballistic missile shot off the coast of California or something from a submarine.

01:03:57.000 It is my fear.

01:03:58.000 But hey, I'm sure the military contractors are really happy they're getting all of this coin.

01:04:02.000 If you want to talk about problems with the military-industrial complex, it's over-promising and under-delivering.

01:04:08.000 All of these people's pockets are getting lined.

01:04:09.000 I guess good for those math and science students and different engineers.

01:04:14.000 All right, we're going to jump to this next story here.

01:04:16.000 Trump warns House Republicans don't F around with Medicaid in the latest Big Beautiful Bill drama.

01:04:24.000 New York Post is reporting from Washington.

01:04:27.000 President Trump warned House Republicans don't F around with Medicaid during a closed-door meeting Tuesday as he sought to rally support for his big, beautiful bill.

01:04:35.000 The R-rated remark confirmed to the Post by a Republican member of Congress and another person in the room came as Trump tries to convince fiscal hawks to deliver on a bundle of top campaign pledges, including extending his 2017 tax cuts while eliminating levies on tips,

01:04:51.000 overtime pay, and Social Security.

01:04:54.000 I can't believe they got rid of the Oxford comma there.

01:04:59.000 Before entering the meeting with House Republicans, Trump defended planned changes to Medicaid, which he called crackdown on fraud.

01:05:06.000 We're not doing any cutting of anything meaningful, the president said.

01:05:10.000 The only thing we're cutting is waste, fraud, and abuse.

01:05:12.000 But skeptical Republicans such as Chip Roy of Texas have demanded that more conservative reforms to Medicaid be tacked onto the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, including an earlier imposition of work requirements for able-bodied Americans to use the entitlement.

01:05:26.000 He paints with some colorful phrases, maybe that we hear more often here than we do in South Dakota.

01:05:32.000 Rep.

01:05:33.000 Dusty Johnson told the Post about Trump's meeting.

01:05:47.000 So, the Republican fiscal hawks have been saying that there's just not enough cuts.

01:05:53.000 This is too big, that it's $5 trillion in additional spending.

01:05:58.000 It doesn't decrease spending, never mind actually cut the government.

01:06:22.000 And if these...

01:06:26.000 If the fiscal house is not in order, you're going to start seeing serious cuts that are going to come whether we like it or not.

01:06:33.000 The only way that the U.S. is going to be able to get out of it is by either blowing up the dollar or they're going to have to use austerity measures.

01:06:44.000 What are your thoughts on this?

01:06:46.000 Well, as a young person, I am very concerned about the long-term fiscal health.

01:06:54.000 But I will say, you know, my organization, the Bulma's Project, we have supported the One Big Beautiful Bill for multiple reasons, you know, without – and there's a million different things in it.

01:07:06.000 It is a massive piece of legislation.

01:07:08.000 But ultimately, I think the big mistake in Trump's first term was not making these tax cuts permanent.

01:07:15.000 And that's part of the reason why they're pushing so hard and why the bill is so huge, because it didn't include just individual tax cuts.

01:07:23.000 They put on the Social Security tax changes, the no tax on tips in there.

01:07:30.000 That's new.

01:07:31.000 But the other provisions in the bill included things like R&D expensing.

01:07:36.000 So when the bill expires, if they don't pass a new one...

01:07:39.000 All of these businesses that spend millions of dollars doing R&D in the United States, they're no longer able to write it all off the same year.

01:07:48.000 They have to amortize it over five years, which means functionally that we're not going to be innovating the same, or that these massive companies that have created so many products, especially pharmaceuticals, it's one of the biggest R&D expenses in the United States,

01:08:04.000 I believe.

01:08:07.000 Impact their bottom line.

01:08:08.000 And you can be against big pharma and all that, but ultimately this would affect a lot of businesses that are trying to make American companies...

01:08:16.000 And so we lined up behind it because we do believe that people should have a tax cut.

01:08:21.000 We do believe that businesses should not be penalized for doing investment in the United States.

01:08:27.000 But it is going to be a huge challenge.

01:08:30.000 And I think part of the reason, well, probably the big reason why they don't, why they made changes to Social Security and why they're very wary about touching entitlements is because the Republican base now is...

01:08:43.000 Low propensity voters, a lot of whom rely on some kind of entitlement, and then also seniors.

01:08:48.000 Seniors are huge Republican voters.

01:08:50.000 They're also the more likely Republican voters.

01:08:53.000 The new Trump coalition is more low propensity.

01:08:57.000 It's working class, which means we actually have to work to get them out there. 1.00

01:09:00.000 And then the seniors that come out and vote Republican, they want their entitlements preserved.

01:09:05.000 And the Democrat coalition is more...

01:09:12.000 Middle to upper class, the white-collar jobs, urban.

01:09:16.000 And they go out and they go vote more than the working class people do. 0.99

01:09:20.000 And they also want to preserve a lot of these social programs.

01:09:25.000 So we're kind of in between a rock and a hard place here.

01:09:27.000 So there's someone in the chat said, if we stop sending our money to Israel, Ukraine, and other countries, we would have more than enough tax money to fix our country, enough to take care of our people.

01:09:37.000 No. 0.99

01:09:37.000 That's totally wrong, and you're dumb for saying it. 0.99

01:09:40.000 It's unfortunate, though, that it isn't. 0.99

01:09:42.000 I'm kidding.

01:09:42.000 I wish it was true.

01:09:44.000 We pay more on our interest.

01:09:45.000 I would love to stop sending money overseas.

01:09:48.000 I would love to end all foreign aid.

01:09:49.000 I don't think we need to be giving money away.

01:09:51.000 There are arguments that are compelling for it, but I still would come down on the side, you know, we don't need to do foreign aid.

01:09:57.000 But the idea that foreign aid is driving our national debt, that is clown world BS.

01:10:03.000 And you should feel bad for even typing that in the chat.

01:10:06.000 But it doesn't sell as well if you can't rail on Israel.

01:10:09.000 A couple more notes on this program.

01:10:10.000 No, no, no, no.

01:10:11.000 Hold on.

01:10:12.000 No, because it's sexy to hate on Israel. 0.67

01:10:14.000 It's sexier to say we have a high deficit because of Ukraine. 0.96

01:10:18.000 They didn't just say Israel, though.

01:10:18.000 They're saying Israel.

01:10:20.000 They're saying it's foreign aid.

01:10:20.000 It is Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

01:10:25.000 Those are the things.

01:10:26.000 And the idea that we don't take care of our people, the reason why we have so much debt is...

01:10:32.000 Because of mandatory spending, which is Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. 1.00

01:10:38.000 So your idea is wrong, and stop saying stupid things because you look stupid. 1.00

01:10:44.000 We're good to go. 1.00

01:11:20.000 So what that means is in blue states where they have high state taxes, they're able to deduct that from their federal taxes.

01:11:28.000 How this plays out politically is that Republicans in blue states can only win if they support this stuff.

01:11:33.000 And the thought process is that Republicans in blue states is the path to the majority.

01:11:39.000 Another interesting tidbit here is that they only have...

01:11:41.000 They're able to lose up to two votes, if my math is correct.

01:11:45.000 Donald Trump actually came out against libtarditarian extraordinaire and anti-MAGA rep Thomas Massey. 0.92

01:11:54.000 Thomas Massey's the best in the House.

01:11:55.000 He's consistently the most anti-MAGA Republican in the House.

01:12:01.000 So he opposed the legislation that adds anything to the deficit, which the bill will definitely do.

01:12:06.000 Donald Trump said of him, I don't think Thomas Massey understands government, and that I think he's a grandstander, frankly.

01:12:11.000 I think he should be voted out of office.

01:12:13.000 In the past, he said...

01:12:16.000 A lot's not wrong.

01:12:18.000 He's saying Donald Trump is wrong.

01:12:19.000 That's not a lot.

01:12:20.000 That's Donald Trump saying these things.

01:12:22.000 Donald Trump said I think he's a grandstander who should be voted out of office.

01:12:26.000 So if my math is right, it's only two votes.

01:12:27.000 He can't lose more than one vote.

01:12:30.000 Thomas Massey is already an implied no vote.

01:12:33.000 And we'll see what happens with this small salt caucus of Republicans in blue states. 0.70

01:12:39.000 I think that was a nice little basis of understanding for what's the real drama behind this.

01:12:48.000 It's not just that, though, because, I mean, Chip Roy is from Texas, and Texas is reliably red, and Chip Roy is a fiscal hawk, and so...

01:12:56.000 Go ahead.

01:12:57.000 I will say, when Thomas Massey and Chip Roy have concerns, you listen.

01:13:00.000 I completely agree.

01:13:02.000 Thomas Massey's the best in the House.

01:13:03.000 Whether or not you agree with him, he's incredibly consistent.

01:13:07.000 He's consistently anti-MAGA.

01:13:08.000 He's not anti-MAGA.

01:13:09.000 He's a fiscal conservative.

01:13:11.000 He's against Trump's one big, beautiful bill.

01:13:13.000 I don't know how you'd describe that as anything but anti-MAGA.

01:13:16.000 Well, okay, so he's not concerned with MAGA.

01:13:19.000 He's concerned with actual fiscal responsibility.

01:13:22.000 It's Trump's bill.

01:13:23.000 It doesn't matter if it's Trump's bill.

01:13:33.000 Yeah, I think...

01:13:52.000 Well, I think my personal kind of ideal would be finding a way, with Social Security especially, to—I would like to have an opt-out.

01:14:02.000 I know I'm probably not going to get Social Security.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:05.000 And I personally, I don't want to pay into a system and not receive anything.

01:14:12.000 And look, I have absolutely no problem supporting— A lot of those people do need help, and I'm more than happy to pay into a social safety net to support people who need it, especially people who are working class and don't have the same kind of career opportunities as me.

01:14:32.000 However, I want the ability to take that money and put it somewhere else, or at least be able to take some portion of it, right?

01:14:42.000 Because if I know that I'm not going to have the same system, Why would it exist?

01:14:48.000 Now, it may take time.

01:14:49.000 I think a lot of the – I don't think the political dynamics are there, and that's what we're really running into.

01:14:55.000 Massey and Rand Paul and Chip Roy, I mean, yeah, they're very hard fiscal conservatives, and I think I have some very strong disagreements with them on some things, not all things.

01:15:07.000 But they are right that something has to be done.

01:15:09.000 I just think that it was an early mistake of the first term.

01:15:15.000 We shouldn't even be having this fight right now, in my opinion.

01:15:19.000 And I think that if a lot of these provisions, the important ones that we support with R&D and the actual tax cuts, weren't expiring, there would be more room to consider those changes.

01:15:33.000 But as it stands, I don't think that Trump and other national leaders...

01:15:40.000 I guess Republican leaders in this instance are going to look at our current coalition and say, let's go cut Social Security. 0.93

01:15:47.000 Let's go cut all these health programs because we will 100% lose the next election. 0.99

01:15:53.000 And like I was saying earlier, it's...

01:15:55.000 It's between a rock and a hard place.

01:15:57.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 I mean the situation is if they do make any kind of cuts, then the people that are the most likely to vote are going to consider themselves lied to.

01:16:08.000 They're going to say, look, you hurt us.

01:16:10.000 You hurt our entitlements or whatever.

01:16:13.000 We earned these.

01:16:14.000 We've paid in our whole lives.

01:16:16.000 And they're not wrong to feel that way.

01:16:19.000 But at the same time, if you don't...

01:16:22.000 Those austerity measures are coming whether we like it or not.

01:16:25.000 So the option isn't, oh, do this so that way we can avoid having to cut Social Security and Medicaid.

01:16:34.000 Those cuts are coming.

01:16:35.000 There is no reality where those cuts don't come.

01:16:40.000 It's whether or not we do them in a controlled manner sooner or we have to do bigger cuts later.

01:16:47.000 But they're coming.

01:16:48.000 I do think that there is something to what Secretary Besant says.

01:16:52.000 And some people made fun of this on social media, but the goal is to invigorate the U.S. economy so that for however much longer, it's not a big problem, right?

01:17:04.000 Get more investment, get more growth in the United States.

01:17:06.000 We're also in a slightly different position where the U.S. dollar is kind of the backbone of the world.

01:17:18.000 That gives us breathing room.

01:17:20.000 I do think that at some point things are going to have to change.

01:17:23.000 I just don't think that, realistically speaking, those cuts are going to happen this term, probably not next term, not until, you know, the...

01:17:33.000 There are actual real demographic changes in the United States.

01:17:36.000 Given our political landscape and our political system, I guess how people get elected, I just don't foresee people making big enough cuts to these programs that will continue to get them elected.

01:17:49.000 So what I'm saying is it's political suicide.

01:17:51.000 If you're voting to cut Medicaid, Medicare, or any of these programs, you will likely get voted out.

01:17:57.000 So you'd have to be a very altruistic politician, something exceptionally rare among them nowadays, to do that.

01:18:02.000 So if you want to keep your seat and continue doing your job in office, you are not gonna make these cuts and continue down the spiral.

01:18:08.000 I don't know how this is going to play out.

01:18:10.000 Maybe just massive inflation?

01:18:12.000 Because I don't see people having...

01:18:14.000 Once you give somebody something, it's really hard to take it back as opposed to never having given it to them in the first place.

01:18:20.000 I think another aspect that we need to consider here is the population curve of the country.

01:18:24.000 We are no longer fat at the bottom and skinny up top.

01:18:27.000 We're fat in the middle.

01:18:28.000 Not good.

01:18:29.000 We don't want to be fat in the middle.

01:18:30.000 We're fat up top.

01:18:31.000 We're fat up top, we're fat in the middle, and we're skinny on the bottom. 0.75

01:18:34.000 Worst kind of chick and worst kind of population curve because these are the people who are supposed to... 0.98

01:18:38.000 We're supposed to be paying into the system in the future that we benefit off of.

01:18:42.000 And if we don't have that population to continue paying into the system, it's just going to come out as debt.

01:18:46.000 Yeah, and without immigration, I mean, we would have had this crisis decades ago. 0.76

01:18:51.000 Sounds like a global scheme to flood America.

01:18:54.000 Well, I'm saying, without immigration, we would have had this crisis decades ago. 0.98

01:18:58.000 We're buying ourselves time, but now the mood is shifting, turning from immigration.

01:19:02.000 So it's like, this is going to hit us a lot sooner than we think.

01:19:05.000 And Tim talks about it all the time.

01:19:07.000 He walks you through the population of each generation.

01:19:10.000 I mean, this is imminent.

01:19:11.000 100%.

01:19:12.000 Me and Aiden, what are you, 25?

01:19:14.000 I'm 24. You guys are a rare breed.

01:19:16.000 I don't see...

01:19:17.000 People under 25 anymore, so it seems.

01:19:20.000 Yeah.

01:19:21.000 I'm not touching.

01:19:22.000 My Social Security's gone.

01:19:23.000 I just see it as charity.

01:19:24.000 I try to write it off every year, and it doesn't work.

01:19:26.000 You're paying into Social Security down the line for people like Phil, too.

01:19:30.000 Yeah, unk.

01:19:31.000 Because Phil's seeing his Social Security.

01:19:32.000 You're still going to be paying into it.

01:19:34.000 I don't think so, because the Social Security, they're going to have to make significant cuts by the time, I think, 2033.

01:19:41.000 So, 2032, which is seven years.

01:19:43.000 I'm not retiring.

01:19:44.000 Do you remember Nikki Haley?

01:19:45.000 She proposed raising the retirement age by a year and a half, and everyone lost their minds.

01:19:50.000 That's the issue, though, because it's the so-called third rail of politics.

01:19:54.000 It's so unpopular.

01:19:55.000 You're going to strip me of my entitlements?

01:19:57.000 I'm entitled to it.

01:19:58.000 I paid into it.

01:19:59.000 How could you take it away from me, is the thought process.

01:20:01.000 Although, most people who receive Social Security didn't pay into it as much as they're getting out.

01:20:08.000 Most people who get Medicaid and Medicare don't pay.

01:20:10.000 Nearly as much into it as they get out.

01:20:12.000 People my age that actually do get any kind of Social Security, they're going to be getting it with inflated dollars.

01:20:18.000 You're going to be getting dollars that don't buy you anything.

01:20:20.000 So yeah, maybe I'll get like...

01:20:22.000 Maybe I will get some kind of Social Security, but it's not going to be able to cover my expenses or anything.

01:20:29.000 It's going to be a situation where if I didn't have savings and stuff, I'd be completely effed.

01:20:35.000 This is the thought process.

01:20:36.000 This is why we'll never get rid of it.

01:20:38.000 People feel like, gee whiz, I kind of need my Social Security down the line.

01:20:41.000 Even if I get a little bit of it.

01:20:43.000 I'm not going to get it.

01:20:44.000 No, but you'll get it further down the line, maybe with a little bit of it cut off.

01:20:48.000 And you're going to be very upset over it.

01:20:50.000 You'd vote against somebody taking away your Social Security.

01:20:52.000 I just said the guy that... 0.99

01:20:54.000 Shut your mouth! 0.92

01:20:56.000 I just said Thomas Massey's the best, and Thomas Massey's like, no, we have to do the fiscally responsible thing. 0.99

01:21:01.000 You're over here saying, no, no, he's got to do the MAGA plan.

01:21:04.000 Thomas Massey, the one guy, you're not expected to get anything done.

01:21:07.000 All of your libertarian, libertarian ideas don't ever have to go anywhere.

01:21:11.000 You live in this hyper-idealized world where you don't have to engage in real politics.

01:21:14.000 And that's why you could grandstand like Thomas Massey and be like, oh, I want zero deficit.

01:21:18.000 Well, yeah, we all want zero deficits, but that's not the reality.

01:21:21.000 You flipped your tank two times in the past five minutes.

01:21:24.000 No, here's the deal.

01:21:25.000 If you're in your 60s, in your late 50s, in your early 50s, and you're getting close to the age where you're supposed to see these benefits, you will vote against people.

01:21:35.000 Who are saying they want to curtail those benefits and entitlements?

01:21:38.000 And I think that's a perfectly natural, rational response from these voters.

01:21:43.000 It's the perverse incentives that's the issue here.

01:21:45.000 If there was reverse Social Security, I'd vote for it. 0.99

01:21:47.000 The old give to me, I'd be like, yeah, sign me up.

01:21:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's what having two parents is.

01:21:52.000 No, generally, right?

01:21:54.000 If you only have one, they don't have enough to give.

01:21:56.000 But if you have two, I hope to have enough to give to my child.

01:22:00.000 All right, listen, I'm going to start talking about my pet project here.

01:22:03.000 Also in the bill...

01:22:04.000 We're good to go.

01:22:33.000 The Hearing Protection Act in the Big Beautiful Bill, and that's all I'm going to say about that.

01:22:39.000 What does the Short Act do for short kings?

01:22:41.000 It doesn't do anything for short kings.

01:22:42.000 It does stuff for short barrel rifles.

01:22:44.000 Why would I want it?

01:22:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:45.000 That's what I thought it was about, the short kings.

01:22:49.000 Short rifles, okay.

01:22:51.000 Okay.

01:22:52.000 So, let's see.

01:22:54.000 What are we going to go to here?

01:22:55.000 Are we done with this one?

01:22:56.000 Are you done complaining about Thomas Massey?

01:23:00.000 Yeah, I'm done.

01:23:01.000 If the bill doesn't pass, it's probably going to pass.

01:23:05.000 I'm done.

01:23:06.000 No, I'm done talking.

01:23:09.000 Newsweek is reporting.

01:23:10.000 Jake Tapper admits to Megyn Kelly he didn't press Biden on health.

01:23:14.000 CNN anchor Jake Tapper appeared today on The Megyn Kelly Show in a candid and at times confrontational interview where he acknowledged key failures in his coverage of former President Joe Biden's health.

01:23:26.000 Joined by Axios reporter Alex Thompson to promote their new book, Original Sin, Tapper directly addressed criticisms from the former Fox News host on her Sirius XM show.

01:23:35.000 Tapper admitted that he and others in the press ignored visible signs of Biden's decline.

01:23:41.000 Published on Tuesday, Original Sin, President Biden's Decline, Its Cover-Up, and His Disastrous Choice to Run Again, alleges that Biden's inner circle, including his family and top aides, orchestrated a comprehensive effort to obscure the president's deteriorating condition from the public, donors, and even members of his own cabinet.

01:23:58.000 That is absolutely not true.

01:24:00.000 They were all in on it.

01:24:02.000 Everybody was fully aware that Biden was a dead man. 0.90

01:24:06.000 He was a corpse.

01:24:10.000 Do you want to watch the clip here?

01:24:13.000 I think we should watch the clip.

01:24:15.000 It's a long one.

01:24:16.000 But listen to Megyn Kelly.

01:24:21.000 You're complaining about a cover-up about Joe Biden's mental acuity that failed, that right-wing pundits saw, the right-wing in general saw, that independent media saw and reported on, and that was no mystery even to left-wing and so-called mainstream reporters who were not fooled.

01:24:40.000 But chose willful blindness instead of honest reporting and that you were part of it.

01:24:46.000 How do you respond?

01:24:49.000 It's a tough and fair question.

01:24:52.000 I would say that Alex and I, after Election Day, interviewed more than 200 people, 200 mostly Democratic insiders, and almost all of these interviews were after the election.

01:25:09.000 They justified to themselves what they had done in terms of misrepresenting how the president was, not just to me and Alex and other reporters, but also just to each other and to the world and to Democrats and to the cabinet, etc.,

01:25:24.000 by saying that there was this existential threat of Donald Trump and only Joe Biden could beat Donald Trump, and that justified everything in their minds.

01:25:31.000 After that existential threat was over, because the election was over and Donald Trump won, they were, we found, Alex and myself, Remarkably willing to talk to us, either off the record or on background, or in some cases on the record, about what they saw.

01:25:47.000 One of the things that emerged was that there were two Bidens.

01:25:52.000 One was the fine Biden, serviceable, adequate, and the other one is a non-functioning Biden.

01:25:59.000 And that's the one we saw the night of the debate.

01:26:01.000 And that's the one we saw some clips of here and there that you just showed.

01:26:05.000 And that non-functioning Biden, the one that lost his train of thought, In a significant way, not in the way just that every human loses their train of thought, but in a way that shows that he's having trouble articulating his very views.

01:26:18.000 And the one who forgot the name of close aides, who was not able to come up with George Clooney's name, didn't seem to recognize him, all that sort of thing.

01:26:29.000 That non-functioning Biden was, according to our reporting, showed up as far back as 2015.

01:26:45.000 So Tapper goes on to blame the tragedies in Joe Biden's life as to why Joe Biden continued to deteriorate. 0.89

01:26:53.000 I think that's ridiculous.

01:26:54.000 And I think this whole situation is just Jake Tapper trying to cover for himself. 0.69

01:26:59.000 Because I don't think that it was an actual secret.

01:27:05.000 I think it was everyone in D.C. knew.

01:27:07.000 I think that Joe Biden's, his cabinet knew.

01:27:11.000 I think that, you know...

01:27:13.000 Vice President Harris should have invoked the 25th Amendment.

01:27:18.000 She should have got the cabinet together and invoked the 25th Amendment. 1.00

01:27:21.000 And I think they didn't because of political reasons.

01:27:24.000 I think that it would have been terrible for the Democrats overall to actually have to do that.

01:27:30.000 So I'm interested in your thoughts, Aidan.

01:27:32.000 Did you ever hear the audio of the interview with Joe Biden that got released?

01:27:38.000 With Robert Herr?

01:27:39.000 Yeah.

01:27:40.000 He could not remember when his son died.

01:27:43.000 Yeah.

01:27:44.000 He thought his son died, what, two or three years after when it actually happened?

01:27:48.000 Yep.

01:27:49.000 And, I mean, they obviously all knew.

01:27:52.000 Where was the audio, right?

01:27:53.000 I do think that—I'm willing to give a little bit of grace to some of the more, like, deluded Democrats who genuinely thought it was some kind of right-wing op.

01:28:03.000 Maybe if they didn't have access to Biden.

01:28:06.000 Maybe if they didn't go to the White House regularly.

01:28:08.000 I'm more than willing to believe that a lot of these grassroots Democrats— I mean,

01:28:35.000 they probably would have lost even more.

01:28:40.000 I mean, Harris...

01:28:41.000 We barely managed to pull off an even moderate showing in the election.

01:28:48.000 And the polls for Biden were way worse.

01:28:51.000 The defense that they thought Joe Biden was the best person to run against Trump simply was not true.

01:28:56.000 And it wasn't true for, what, a year and a half before the election?

01:29:00.000 So I think there was a lot of complicity in trying to shore up Biden as much as possible to save the Democrats from embarrassment.

01:29:10.000 Obviously did not work.

01:29:11.000 I think as far as the aides and those close to him goes, I think it warrants an investigation, maybe through the House, maybe through the FBI, or exactly who was doing what and to what degree they were protecting or not telling others about the deterioration of Joe Biden.

01:29:29.000 This is especially relevant because it...

01:29:32.000 It begs the question of who's really making these decisions?

01:29:35.000 If he is so senile where he can't remember, I think there was another quote where he forgot when he was VP and then forgetting the dates of the death of his son.

01:29:46.000 I mean, we probably don't even know the worst of it, but I do think it is worth an investigation because this guy did a lot of very significant things towards the end of his administration and throughout.

01:29:57.000 And there's also a big question about this auto pen stuff where it's not him literally signing.

01:30:01.000 And I usually hate sounding conspiratorial, but who was really in charge?

01:30:10.000 Who was really running the show when Joe Biden wasn't taking any questions from anybody at the White House?

01:30:14.000 And he was surrounded by these aides who knew what was going on materially.

01:30:19.000 And, you know, throughout the cabinet, it seems like nobody really knew what was going on.

01:30:24.000 Nobody was really in touch with each other.

01:30:26.000 Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin was even under the knife and unconscious.

01:30:30.000 He never told Joe Biden.

01:30:31.000 And you have to wonder, did he know the condition of Joe Biden?

01:30:34.000 Maybe he thought not even to tell him because why would it even matter?

01:30:37.000 Who was in control?

01:30:38.000 Who knew what with the aides and the people around him?

01:30:41.000 And did anybody break the law while doing this?

01:30:44.000 And I think it's really important questions that we have answered here.

01:30:47.000 If anyone were to make any kind of executive decisions without him, that's breaking the law.

01:30:58.000 I think it just demonstrates how partisan the media is because it's like if Trump orders a Diet Coke without a lemon, it's like on the front page of Newsweek.

01:31:08.000 You're telling me that not a single aide went to the press once through the four years of Joe Biden to like casually mention, hey, by the way, this guy's mind slipping.

01:31:16.000 We don't even know what the cancer thing that might have been on their radar.

01:31:20.000 Not a single – like I don't – we wouldn't see a – because it would never make the front page.

01:31:23.000 So to demonstrate his senility a little bit more, I'm not a movie buff.

01:31:28.000 I actually don't like watching movies, but I still know what George Clooney looks like.

01:31:31.000 And Joe Biden has been friends with George Clooney for decades, given his involvement in Democrat politics.

01:31:36.000 There was this infamous fundraiser now that Joe Biden goes to.

01:31:39.000 He doesn't recognize who George Clooney is and has to be nudged by his aide to tell him who Clooney is.

01:31:46.000 So, like, you know, the fact that he's forgetting these, like, one of the most famous people on Earth, he was allegedly forgetting the names and who his aides were.

01:31:55.000 It really begs the question.

01:31:57.000 Who is in charge?

01:31:57.000 And was this man truly making all the decisions?

01:32:01.000 And if not, who was?

01:32:02.000 And, you know, under what guidance were they allowed to make those decisions?

01:32:06.000 I mean, you see people pull up Biden policy from the 80s, how seemingly conservative his rhetoric is.

01:32:11.000 Maybe he actually is, like, super-based, but he just forgot about it.

01:32:14.000 And I mean, there were multiple slip-ups, too, when he said explicitly that he would defend Taiwan.

01:32:20.000 And then the White House ended up walking it back after the fact.

01:32:22.000 And it really makes you think, like...

01:32:24.000 I don't know, is he baiting them?

01:32:27.000 That's something that was long-standing U.S. policy.

01:32:30.000 No, it was strategic ambiguity.

01:32:32.000 That's what I'm trying to say, but you're talking over me.

01:32:34.000 That long-standing U.S. policy was to not openly say that the U.S. would defend.

01:32:39.000 It was to imply that they would, but to not actually articulate it, because that would cause problems for China.

01:32:44.000 I think, you know, and Trump's been saying, who had control of the auto pen, right?

01:32:49.000 I think that's a really legitimate question.

01:33:10.000 I think, you know, there's a very limited period of time where we're actually going to be able to find out what happened.

01:33:20.000 And if we don't take advantage of it now...

01:33:23.000 It's going to be this big open question, I think, in American history forever.

01:33:27.000 We've had presidents hide illnesses before.

01:33:30.000 I mean FDR, right?

01:33:31.000 And Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and his wife, like the first lady basically, kind of ran the government.

01:33:37.000 And it's kind of widely known now, but this is a lot different than that, I think, because this is somebody who may have been senile when he got elected or at the very least rapidly deteriorated afterward.

01:33:52.000 And if nobody in the cabinet knew what was going on, if you believe them, then seriously, who was running the government?

01:33:59.000 No idea.

01:34:01.000 It's also worth mentioning...

01:34:04.000 Obviously, we recently got the horrible news that he was diagnosed with stage 5 cancer.

01:34:09.000 I'm no oncologist, but stage 5 is late.

01:34:12.000 Was it stage 4?

01:34:13.000 Stage 4 or stage 5?

01:34:14.000 That's late to the game, and the former president is somebody who should have his health monitored consistently.

01:34:21.000 Somebody must have missed something here or missed it on purpose.

01:34:25.000 I don't know how you would miss this in a president or former president.

01:34:28.000 Stage 4 or 5 seems late to the game.

01:34:34.000 I hate going into this conspiratorial stuff without any hard evidence, but it's really hard to believe that a former president, Joe Biden, one of the most important people on the planet at the time, wasn't getting enough health monitoring at Walter Reed to figure out...

01:34:54.000 There was an aide going to the press today and they said his last prostate exam was in 2014, which is just...

01:35:00.000 Very hard to believe.

01:35:01.000 And there are other tests, too, that you could do besides the prostate exam.

01:35:05.000 This is just shocking.

01:35:07.000 When you're that age, it's what?

01:35:08.000 Every two or three years?

01:35:10.000 Well, if I understand correctly, at 70, they stop doing the prostate exams or testing for prostate cancer because the cancer is so slow-moving generally that if you get it, by the time it actually develops into cancer, you're likely going to be out the door anyways.

01:35:29.000 We've got this from the Daily Mail.

01:35:30.000 Joe Biden forced to deny he had cancer diagnosis after scathing Trump accusation.

01:35:35.000 Now, this isn't actually from Joe Biden.

01:35:37.000 This is from his staff.

01:35:38.000 But he says former President Joe Biden had to shut down.

01:35:41.000 I'm sorry.

01:35:41.000 This is the Daily Mail.

01:35:43.000 Former President Joe Biden had to shut down conspiracies.

01:35:46.000 He was diagnosed with prostate cancer before last week.

01:35:49.000 Prior to Friday.

01:35:51.000 President Biden had never been diagnosed with prostate cancer.

01:35:53.000 A spokesperson for Biden insisted on Tuesday.

01:35:56.000 It added that Biden did not have the test done to check for prostate problems since 2014.

01:36:03.000 The statement came after President Donald Trump repeated on Monday conspiracies that Biden knew he had a cancer for a long time and that hiding the diagnosis was part of the team's cover-up of his health decline while in office.

01:36:14.000 I'm surprised that it wasn't, you know, the public wasn't notified a long time ago because to get to stage nine, that's a long time, Trump said.

01:36:21.000 Biden's office revealed on Sunday that the former president has an aggressive form of prostate cancer that has metastasized and spread to his bones.

01:36:28.000 The former president received an outpouring of support, including from Trump and the First Lady.

01:36:34.000 Yeah, I don't know that they didn't know he had it. 1.00

01:36:40.000 I think we're stupid. 1.00

01:36:49.000 There's a White House physician. 1.00

01:36:52.000 I mean, they're supposed to get an annual checkup, I think, if I remember correctly.

01:36:54.000 You think with somebody that old, they would get, you know, an actual good exam. 0.99

01:37:02.000 So the first person I would go to is the White House physician.

01:37:05.000 There was a lot of anomalies in the way that Joe Biden...

01:37:09.000 Joe Biden's medical treatment was done and the way that it was reported to the American people.

01:37:14.000 He didn't take the cognitive test.

01:37:16.000 He apparently didn't get checked for prostate cancer.

01:37:20.000 And it makes you wonder what other anomalies were in his medical history.

01:37:30.000 I think one of the alleged conspiracies in that article is that video of Joe Biden, I think, from 2022.

01:37:40.000 Saying during a speech in Delaware that the pollution in Delaware gave him cancer and everybody attributed it to, you know...

01:37:47.000 The skin cancer.

01:37:49.000 Yeah, the skin cancer, but I don't know.

01:37:51.000 Maybe there was something there, maybe not.

01:37:53.000 Pollution doesn't generally give you skin cancer.

01:37:56.000 What makes this so surreal is like, like Aiden was hitting on, you know, you think of these historic conspiracies that we all discuss and you hear on these podcasts, you know, JFK, RFK.

01:38:07.000 FDR, all these cover-ups.

01:38:09.000 You kind of feel helpless reading about it because you're like, we will never know what happened.

01:38:15.000 We can't subpoena any of the people involved.

01:38:17.000 They're all dead.

01:38:18.000 What makes this so surreal is you're already seeing Tapper, people like this, flipping, coming to the press.

01:38:23.000 There's an opportunity where we actually could pull these people in front of a camera.

01:38:28.000 What do you know?

01:38:29.000 That's what makes this so surreal and what makes it feel different.

01:38:33.000 It does feel like there's a...

01:38:34.000 There's a chance here to actually get to the bottom of what was going on.

01:38:37.000 There should be hearings.

01:38:39.000 These people should be brought in front of Congress and possibly prosecutions.

01:38:44.000 It's a slam dunk for Republicans.

01:38:46.000 What are we doing?

01:38:47.000 We should have it scheduled tomorrow.

01:38:48.000 And we're fighting over the funding bill.

01:38:50.000 This is also a complete disaster for Democrats, and the Republicans should drag this out as long as possible.

01:38:57.000 It looks like a cover-up.

01:38:58.000 And to ordinary Democrats, grassroots Democrats, I think they knew something about the senility of Joe Biden, just like we did.

01:39:07.000 And just, yeah.

01:39:09.000 I think it's bad for their party, obviously.

01:39:11.000 I do like how in the article Trump said stage 9 cancer.

01:39:14.000 I'm like, that sounds pretty bad.

01:39:15.000 I was looking it up.

01:39:15.000 It's actually stage 4. I don't know why I was thinking 5, maybe because he said 9. But late to the game.

01:39:21.000 This is an aside, and it's unconfirmed.

01:39:24.000 It's from a Twitter account that I don't know is particularly reliable, but I'm going to talk about it.

01:39:32.000 There is rumors that there were staffers that were using the auto pen in exchange for...

01:39:39.000 We're pardoning people in exchange for payoffs.

01:39:42.000 So that's something that if it turns out to be true, I think there should be investigations of all of the people that were in the Biden White House that had access to that, anyone that could get into the Oval Office.

01:39:52.000 It shouldn't be too hard to be able to look at all the people that had access to the Oval Office.

01:39:57.000 If that's true, there's a smoking gun very easily accessible.

01:40:00.000 Exactly.

01:40:00.000 It would be something that you can find.

01:40:03.000 But again, I'm not going to...

01:40:05.000 Dwell on it too, too much because the Twitter account in question is not particularly reliable.

01:40:09.000 I'm petrified that the GOP is going to drop the ball here.

01:40:12.000 This is such an easy slam dunk.

01:40:13.000 Oh, don't be afraid.

01:40:14.000 They're definitely gunning.

01:40:14.000 Yeah, this is such an easy slam dunk.

01:40:16.000 We could finally, like, really demoralize Democrats, solidify 2028.

01:40:21.000 In two weeks, I'm very skeptic that we're still going to be talking about this.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, unfortunately.

01:40:25.000 I would love to be proven wrong, but...

01:40:28.000 Unfortunately, you can rely on them being unreliable.

01:40:33.000 Alright, we're going to go to Super Chat.

01:40:35.000 So smash the like button, share the show with your friends, and head on over to rumble.com and become a member there where you can watch the after show.

01:40:44.000 I'm not sure what we're talking about on the after show, but we'll figure something out.

01:40:48.000 But right now, we're going to go to your Super Chats.

01:40:53.000 Mike, the W-O-P-W-O-O? 0.99

01:40:57.000 Anyways, so many in the chattercrabbies.

01:41:01.000 Well, I don't like the host in Ian.

01:41:04.000 GTFO then.

01:41:05.000 True.

01:41:05.000 Ian's not even here.

01:41:07.000 Right.

01:41:07.000 Why would they bring up...

01:41:09.000 They're so ungrateful, these haters.

01:41:11.000 Oh, well, you know, they can hate all they want.

01:41:12.000 It doesn't matter.

01:41:13.000 It's the mob.

01:41:14.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 That's the point of the chat.

01:41:16.000 The point of the chat is to air your grievances.

01:41:21.000 People that are happy aren't in the chat all the time.

01:41:23.000 Just direct all the grievances towards a lot.

01:41:24.000 I think that's the best voice of action.

01:41:26.000 Well, a lot's getting his fair share.

01:41:27.000 I promise.

01:41:29.000 The Emperor's Champion says, everyone in Biden's administration who covered up Biden's health issue ought to be charged with sedition.

01:41:35.000 You know, I don't disagree.

01:41:38.000 You know, I think that the whole of the media and I think they're all culpable.

01:41:48.000 I think they all covered it up.

01:41:49.000 I think that they all had a hand in it because, again, they didn't want to see the changes that were necessary.

01:41:59.000 Shane H. Wilder says, Trump just signed the Take It Down Act into law.

01:42:03.000 It is astonishing that it took a bill to get social media to take down revenge corn and deepfakes.

01:42:09.000 They now have 48 hours to take this stuff down.

01:42:12.000 What do you guys think?

01:42:12.000 Do you think that this is a good bill?

01:42:15.000 The Take It Down Act?

01:42:16.000 I do think it's good.

01:42:17.000 I thought Nancy Mace's approach was a little unorthodox.

01:42:20.000 She showed her boobies. 1.00

01:42:22.000 Is that what it was about? 0.99

01:42:24.000 Everybody was talking about her boobs. 0.59

01:42:26.000 It wasn't exactly... 0.77

01:42:28.000 It was like a grainy home footage shot.

01:42:31.000 There was people on Twitter who were upset.

01:42:35.000 A lot is dissatisfied with the quality of Congresswoman's boob picture, huh?

01:42:41.000 I think she was really selling us something that she didn't deliver on.

01:42:45.000 But no, in all seriousness, she is allegedly a victim of revenge porn back in her home state with her ex that they weren't able to pursue.

01:43:00.000 I don't know all the details of the story, but Nancy Mace talks about that a lot.

01:43:04.000 Maybe we could have her on the show one day to talk more about that case.

01:43:08.000 We were one of the...

01:43:10.000 Original supporting organizations for the Take It Down Act.

01:43:13.000 We're actually at the White House for the bill signing.

01:43:15.000 Could you explain just quickly what it is?

01:43:19.000 Functionally, the Take It Down Act is a bill that protects women, women particularly, online.

01:43:26.000 But it protects people online from revenge porn.

01:43:29.000 But there's also extra protections in there for AI deepfakes.

01:43:33.000 So let's say your wife, your girlfriend, somebody takes a photo of them and puts it on.

01:43:40.000 It's not them.

01:43:41.000 It looks like them.

01:43:42.000 That is now illegal.

01:44:09.000 Across the board.

01:44:10.000 And we're hoping that it's going to protect women online, it's going to make the internet a safer, better place, and that, you know, like, I would not want somebody to make a video of that of my wife or daughter.

01:44:21.000 Like, I think someone should get prosecuted for that.

01:44:23.000 So I think this is a huge win, and that's why, you know, Melania was behind it.

01:44:27.000 It's a very important issue to her.

01:44:28.000 The idea, too, of it doesn't even need to be a quote-unquote, like, real nude to still do a ton of damage to somebody is something to reckon with.

01:44:38.000 And I think this is the first law that I know of.

01:44:42.000 I'm sure there are other laws on the books that really deals with the consequences of AI.

01:44:45.000 And it's exciting, exciting might not be the right word, to see how our lawyers, our lawmakers and laws keep up with this emerging technology.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, I mean, the only thing that makes me a little apprehensive is if, you know, there is a person or there's an AI picture that looks like a person, but the person wasn't the actual...

01:45:07.000 Model for it.

01:45:08.000 It wasn't like you fed a picture in.

01:45:09.000 Because if you look at AI, AI goes into basically the internet and grabs a bunch of pictures and generates a composite.

01:45:22.000 What happens if there's one that's close enough where it's like, oh, this is harming me?

01:45:29.000 But I suppose taking that down wouldn't really hurt anyone.

01:45:34.000 If you had a situation where someone generated a picture and it wasn't intending to be of an actual person, that actual person says, oh, this is me, and then that person gets arrested for generating a picture that it didn't intend to take someone's likeness,

01:45:51.000 but it actually did because of the AI.

01:45:54.000 I think in that situation, if someone genuinely did not intend for that, then they'll take it down.

01:46:01.000 Well, they'll take it down, but they might have to deal with legal repercussions though, right?

01:46:05.000 But I think that's like an individual choice, right?

01:46:09.000 So this bill creates a prerogative for the individuals to go to the platform and say, take this down as representative of me.

01:46:16.000 I think if there's like a genuine misunderstanding, it's like let's say there's somebody out there that looks like an adult film star, right?

01:46:26.000 They can't.

01:46:27.000 Do anything.

01:46:28.000 So if you are able to go out and say like, oh, I didn't intend to do this.

01:46:33.000 I'm taking it down.

01:46:34.000 Then you'll end up fine.

01:46:36.000 My concern isn't whether or not – isn't about taking down the material in the question.

01:46:42.000 It's are there legal ramifications that people that use AI are going to have to worry about, right?

01:46:49.000 So if you were to generate an image and say, okay, I didn't – Actually use any individual AI generated it, but it is too close to someone.

01:47:02.000 Are you liable?

01:47:04.000 And by liable, I don't mean just a situation where you owe money or you can't make money off this.

01:47:11.000 Can you get arrested?

01:47:12.000 Is that something that can put you on the sex offenders list?

01:47:15.000 These are things that could ruin someone's life.

01:47:19.000 And it's possible that they didn't actually do it.

01:47:21.000 And again, this is not an argument against the act.

01:47:25.000 I'm concerned about the possibility of innocent people suffering because of a poorly or incorrectly worded legislation.

01:47:34.000 If I am remembering the bill language correctly, it is specifically geared towards revenge porn.

01:47:44.000 So in this instance, you would have...

01:47:47.000 To have proof that somebody with access to photos of you used them to create an AI intimate deepfake, right?

01:47:56.000 The broader question that you're talking of is actually an issue for AI as a whole.

01:48:03.000 It goes into copyright, and there's the written word and image generation.

01:48:08.000 I think that's a really interesting conversation.

01:48:11.000 Those don't have the same ramifications, though.

01:48:14.000 Because if you're...

01:48:16.000 Well, not...

01:48:17.000 I mean, again, if you're talking about someone...

01:48:20.000 Anytime you're talking about stuff when it comes to sexual imagery or whatever, that feasibly could put someone on the sex offenders list.

01:48:29.000 And that...

01:48:30.000 Ruins a life.

01:48:31.000 If you just, like, make a song and it sounds like someone else's song, well, they're just like, all right, we'll take this down or, you know, this is a bad thing.

01:48:39.000 You're not going to make money off it or whatever.

01:48:41.000 But my concern isn't about those kind of issues.

01:48:45.000 My concern is, is it a situation where someone could be wrongly accused and end up having to go to prison or having to worry about...

01:49:05.000 Yeah, if I...

01:49:23.000 If I'm remembering the language correctly, it is more geared towards people who are actively creating and distributing it, targeting a specific person.

01:49:31.000 So I think that's a really interesting question.

01:49:34.000 I would have to look at the specifics, but I imagine that if that is a situation that it will get taken to court, which is… Like the only – really the only recourse you have in any situation where somebody is suing.

01:49:46.000 People have been suing porn websites for years to just take down actual content that they've consented to, and that's being litigated through.

01:49:54.000 But I think the ultimate – you're not against the bill.

01:49:57.000 You're for these protections, and so am I. And I think that's something we're just going to have to see the actual effects of the bill and maybe go back and tweak it if it gets confused like that.

01:50:07.000 Sure.

01:50:08.000 The devil's always in the details with bills like this.

01:50:10.000 Yeah, it is.

01:50:11.000 And then there's questions of, like, abuse of the system.

01:50:16.000 There's a 48-hour time period, I believe, where the social media platforms have to act.

01:50:21.000 So, hypothetically, the system can be abused, and that doesn't mean what they're trying to do is wrong, but, you know, how it's put in place.

01:50:30.000 But we could move on.

01:50:31.000 All in.

01:50:32.000 I mean, I think that the bill is good and necessary.

01:50:35.000 I'm just wondering about, you know, is the wording tight enough to prevent innocent people from, you know, having their lives ruined?

01:50:43.000 But anyways, let's see.

01:50:45.000 Audacity says...

01:50:46.000 We absolutely can intercept ICBMs with either fixed battery or fixed wing aircraft.

01:50:52.000 The issue we have is when the payload is in its final approach.

01:50:55.000 We can intercept most of the full systems, but MERV is more difficult.

01:50:59.000 That's interesting.

01:51:01.000 I hope so.

01:51:02.000 That was my concern.

01:51:03.000 It's like Hezbollah, it's not comparable because China, Russia, if they're going, that's the saying, if you take a swing at the king, you best not miss. 0.82

01:51:10.000 It's true.

01:51:10.000 If they're launching ICBMs, they're going to strap a mother load of, you know, who knows what to it.

01:51:16.000 That's my fear.

01:51:17.000 I mean, it would have to be an all-out exchange.

01:51:19.000 The capacity for this particular weapon system would have to be able to stop thousands.

01:51:27.000 Because if you watch the videos of the Iron Dome in action, they're exploding directly above civilian centers.

01:51:34.000 If you have a payload above Los Angeles, you shoot at...

01:51:37.000 It's not going to do much in the sense of safety.

01:51:40.000 Well, it depends.

01:51:41.000 Remember, blowing up the MIRV and preventing the nuclear explosion from going off is totally different than blowing up a rocket that has a conventional payload.

01:51:55.000 Because a nuclear weapon...

01:51:58.000 Things have to go just right for that to go off.

01:52:01.000 It's not easy to get a uranium payload to go critical.

01:52:27.000 I didn't know that, but that's extremely cool.

01:52:32.000 Sweet.

01:52:35.000 Let's see.

01:52:36.000 Rita Ho says, per Bloomberg, if CCP takes over Taiwan, the global GDP will drop 10.2%.

01:52:43.000 COVID-19 only decreased global GDP by 5.9%.

01:52:48.000 CCP just announced national prohibition.

01:52:51.000 The war is coming and the U.S. has no choice.

01:52:54.000 Well, Rita, I hope that you are wrong.

01:52:57.000 The biggest concern that I've heard people talking about is the...

01:53:01.000 The depth of the U.S. reservoir of military missiles and capability.

01:53:08.000 Palmer Luckey, who's this guy that is one of the owners.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, it's a private company.

01:53:15.000 Owners of, what's the name of the company?

01:53:19.000 Andrel.

01:53:19.000 Andrel, yeah.

01:53:20.000 He says that the U.S. would exhaust its reservoir of missiles in eight days.

01:53:27.000 If there were a full-on war with China.

01:53:31.000 Now, whether or not that is enough to cripple the Chinese military, maybe it is.

01:53:39.000 But China has the ability to change their entire economy on a dime. 0.84

01:53:44.000 The U.S. just doesn't have that command economy.

01:53:47.000 So, like, all of Chinese shipbuilding capacity...

01:53:52.000 Is, like, every ship is built to military standards.

01:53:55.000 So, like, all of their yachts, all of their stuff, everything that, all their fishing boats are built, their demands that they can't be built unless they can be retrofitted and commandeered by the Chinese, you know, the people's party or whatever. 0.98

01:54:11.000 I mean, we do have, like, the merchant marines who are trained.

01:54:16.000 They are trained to some degree in case of, you know, a major conflict that we could tap into.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, I mean, the Chinese, the military, it's like Hoi 4 with the civilian to military factory conversions. 0.86

01:54:28.000 They can flip that like a switch.

01:54:30.000 Yeah, so, I mean, we do, I do, like, there's a lot of people that would give me grief for saying that I think that we actually need to increase military spending, but I honestly do think that we need to increase military spending because the threat that China poses, it's not about whether or not we should ever want to actually use.

01:54:51.000 But right now, the threat the Chinese military poses is something I'm not sure that the U.S. could handle. 0.99

01:55:02.000 They're snapping together aircraft carriers at record rates.

01:55:04.000 We've produced, what, one in the last year?

01:55:06.000 Not only that, but you look at the drone warfare that goes on in Ukraine.

01:55:12.000 China makes all the drones.

01:55:13.000 The U.S. doesn't make it.

01:55:14.000 And they cost like 50 bucks.

01:55:15.000 Yeah.

01:55:15.000 The U.S. doesn't make it.

01:55:17.000 Any drones.

01:55:17.000 And so if there were ever any kind of actual confrontation with China, I mean...

01:55:22.000 We'll be launching air hogs up. 0.66

01:55:23.000 You like stomp on the little pedal.

01:55:25.000 I mean, well, a drone swarm with, you know, some kind of explosive payload, it's not going to take out a U.S. aircraft carrier, but it can kill a lot of people on the aircraft carrier.

01:55:39.000 And I don't know that the, you know, the aircraft carriers have the capacity to stop.

01:55:43.000 Now, if they do, and I'm just...

01:55:46.000 Uninformed.

01:55:47.000 Awesome.

01:55:47.000 Great.

01:55:48.000 That's good news.

01:55:48.000 Let me tell you this.

01:55:50.000 The Chinese, a lot of the, not all, but a lot of the law enforcement drones are Chinese made. 0.99

01:55:58.000 Yeah.

01:55:58.000 And we just found out recently that a lot of the solar equipment that we have been getting is actually has unregistered Chinese communications equipment in it.

01:56:12.000 Now we're using Chinese drones for law enforcement.

01:56:15.000 I think there was some kind of scandal recently where we accidentally used Chinese-built drones for military purposes.

01:56:22.000 Anderil is fixing that.

01:56:23.000 They just announced a huge factory in Ohio.

01:56:28.000 These new startup defense companies are on our side, and they are very pro-America, and it's important for us to invest in those because China is outproducing us.

01:56:41.000 They're out producing drones.

01:56:42.000 They're testing their drones in Ukraine right now.

01:56:44.000 I think that's something that we didn't talk about earlier.

01:56:46.000 They're getting all this combat experience and they're able to iterate their technology faster because they're figuring out what works and what doesn't work.

01:56:55.000 We're kind of stuck on the sidelines right now.

01:56:58.000 Significantly.

01:56:59.000 And not that I want to see any kind of conflict, but the U.S. The idea of China winning is something that the American people should really be concerned with.

01:57:18.000 And I'm not sure that enough people are, because I think Americans have it in their head that to have any kind of competition will lead us to more forever wars.

01:57:29.000 And I think that it's the exact opposite.

01:57:31.000 So, let's see here.

01:57:48.000 I don't see it happening, though.

01:57:51.000 Let's see.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, I'm...

01:58:01.000 That's my understanding as well.

01:58:04.000 The U.S. has the capacity to track every single ship made by probably every military in the world, except for maybe China.

01:58:17.000 The U.S. has the ability to monitor threats, I think, in a way that most people don't really.

01:58:24.000 You see these stories of Japanese fishing boats entering Chinese waters on accident.

01:58:30.000 It's usually the US that reports that story first before the Chinese, which is hilarious. 1.00

01:58:34.000 Yeah.

01:58:35.000 Let's see.

01:58:37.000 Audacity says, in order for enemies to defeat our intercept capabilities, they would have to defeat our vast satellite and radar-based information systems.

01:58:45.000 An F-22 can carry musicians that can be guided to target via SATCOM directions.

01:58:49.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 I mean, again, the US, like, we have the technology that...

01:58:56.000 Outclasses every other military and it's not close.

01:58:59.000 I think that our biggest problem is actually inventory.

01:59:02.000 Like, we don't have the ability to sustain a military engagement the way that we need to, especially when it comes to a country like China.

01:59:14.000 I'm trying to understand.

01:59:15.000 If you guys believe that the United States has the ability to track every, I don't know, Chinese or Russian sub, do they not have any...

01:59:23.000 Pure equivalent technology to do the same to us, or are we sort of this omnipotent power who is generations ahead?

01:59:30.000 I mean, I'd like to believe that.

01:59:31.000 I genuinely do, but I just don't know if it's true, and I hope we're not getting too high on our own supply with thinking how great we are and kind of drop the ball here, if you know what I mean.

01:59:41.000 Every submarine, I guess it'd only take one missile to get through for this to be a big issue, but let's just...

01:59:45.000 No, they don't.

01:59:48.000 I don't believe that China or Russia have the capacity to monitor the US in a similar fashion to which the US has the capacity to monitor them.

01:59:57.000 And part of the reason, I think the evidence is the way that, I mean, look, if the United States were to roll into a country with a comparable military to Ukraine, the result would have been Iraq.

02:00:11.000 Iraq had the third largest military in the world when the United States decided to take Iraq out, and they did it in 100 days. 0.99

02:00:20.000 The United States military is, there is no peer, right?

02:00:26.000 Like, I'm not saying the U.S. is undefeatable, but the U.S. military loses because of the politics, not engagements.

02:00:35.000 The U.S. doesn't lose engagements, and there's just no military on Earth that can compare.

02:00:41.000 Like, legit.

02:00:43.000 You know?

02:00:44.000 So, anyways.

02:00:46.000 Alpha2Omega says, Howdy people!

02:00:48.000 Everyone forgets that for some reason military munitions expiring would require a disposal cost.

02:00:53.000 Why pay this when you can trade or give it away for free for an IOU?

02:00:58.000 I mean, I guess?

02:01:01.000 Yeah?

02:01:03.000 And we do.

02:01:04.000 A lot of what we sent to Ukraine was just that.

02:01:07.000 But we aren't producing.

02:01:10.000 The replacements.

02:01:11.000 That's the big problem.

02:01:12.000 Which we should be doing more of.

02:01:13.000 I believe we're ramping up some of our...

02:01:18.000 We should be doing more of it.

02:01:19.000 It would be nice if our young unemployed people could get jobs working in, I don't know, munitions factories. 0.99

02:01:25.000 Honestly, it's not only munitions factory.

02:01:27.000 Frankly, a lot of the most advanced jobs are in engineering, technology, science, and mathematics related to make some of these extremely advanced systems.

02:01:35.000 These different satellites, this Golden Dome system is going to be some of the most world-class technology we have.

02:01:41.000 Good paying jobs.

02:01:42.000 The exchanges reverse like the U.S. Navy pilots.

02:01:45.000 They train on old Italian fighter jets that they sell to us.

02:01:50.000 So it's like it goes both ways.

02:01:52.000 All right.

02:01:53.000 So we'll get one more here.

02:01:54.000 Captain Patriot says, Do you think Americans are overconfident in our military?

02:01:57.000 Also, do you try and read all of the super chats that come in?

02:02:00.000 It would be nice.

02:02:01.000 We read a bunch of them.

02:02:03.000 But there's a lot of them that came in tonight between the Rumble Rants and the Super Chats.

02:02:09.000 We definitely didn't get to all of them.

02:02:11.000 And then I don't think Americans are overconfident in the military.

02:02:15.000 I think because of...

02:02:17.000 The results politically in a lot of the military engagements that we have gotten into in the last 20 or maybe even 50 years, I think that's actually skewed people's opinions about the U.S. capabilities when it comes to military.

02:02:32.000 The Vietnam War, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, these are wars.

02:02:39.000 That people will say the U.S. lost, but the U.S. lost those because of the politics, not because of the military engagements.

02:02:47.000 The military engagements, the United States killed a whole lot more Vietnamese than the Vietnamese killed Americans.

02:02:54.000 The United States absolutely destroyed the Iraq Army in Desert Storm 1, and then they... 0.98

02:03:06.000 The U.S. policy is a bad policy, and it's unsustainable.

02:03:20.000 But when it comes to actual engagements, the U.S. is unmatched.

02:03:24.000 So that's it.

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02:09:12.000 Breaking just at 9 p.m. tonight, or no, 9.56, so 10 o 'clock, DOJ opens investigation into Andrew Cuomo over New York nursing home deaths.

02:09:26.000 New York Post is reporting, the Justice Department has reportedly opened a criminal investigation into former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo for allegedly lying to Congress about the nursing home deaths in the Empire State during the COVID-19 pandemic.

02:09:41.000 The probe into the Washington City mayoral frontrunner was launched about a month ago by the Washington, D.C., U.S. Attorney's Office, the New York Times reported on Tuesday, citing two people familiar with the matter.

02:09:53.000 The office was led at the time by Ed Martin, who was replaced earlier this month by Janine Pirro.

02:10:00.000 The Republican-led panel asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to pursue criminal charges against Cuomo.

02:10:05.000 A Democrat for making criminally false statements during a June 11, 2024 interview with the House COVID subcommittee.

02:10:12.000 Do you guys have the sense that anything is going to happen? 0.85

02:10:16.000 I hope not, because if you've seen the other mayoral candidates in New York, they're literally psychopaths. 0.91

02:10:23.000 So Cuomo is like the devil I know, and I would rather have him as a New York exile. 0.90

02:10:28.000 Elad, you're a New York denzin still, right? 1.00

02:10:31.000 Yeah, I mean, he's better than a communist, right?

02:10:34.000 Which famous conservative was it who said, I want to support the most right-wing person in the election that could win?

02:10:42.000 It was a very famous...

02:10:43.000 I don't know, but that's fairly smart. 0.99

02:10:45.000 ...conservative thinker who gets shit on a lot. 0.99

02:10:47.000 I can't believe I'm blanking on the name. 0.99

02:10:50.000 He was like one of the founders of the conservative movement in our...

02:10:54.000 F. Buckley, by the way.

02:10:56.000 He's a New Yorker as well.

02:10:57.000 F. Buckley said that.

02:10:58.000 Oh, and he's a New Yorker.

02:10:59.000 It seems as though all the best Republicans tend to come from New York for one reason or another.

02:11:03.000 Cruz is like, oh, New York values.

02:11:05.000 You know what that means?

02:11:05.000 And Trump's like, on 9-11, I saw New York values when those firefighters ran up the tower.

02:11:10.000 And then Cruz a week later was like, I endorse Donald J. Trump.

02:11:14.000 Isn't it?

02:11:14.000 Yeah.

02:11:17.000 I don't know.

02:11:18.000 I need to check my registration to see if I'm still registered to vote in New York.

02:11:22.000 Registered as a Democrat?

02:11:24.000 Yeah, I'm a registered Democrat in New York because you need to be a registered Democrat to vote in their primary.

02:11:30.000 If you're a Democrat, that's like their version of conservative, right?

02:11:34.000 What?

02:11:34.000 Say that again?

02:11:34.000 In New York, if you're a Democrat, that's conservative.

02:11:37.000 There's a third party called the Working Families Party, and they said they're not going to put Andrew Cuomo on their ballot.

02:11:43.000 Yeah, and...

02:11:45.000 They're probably going to lose.

02:11:46.000 That is just...

02:11:46.000 He's a communist.

02:11:47.000 Dude, he's crazy. 1.00

02:11:48.000 He's a straight communist. 1.00

02:11:49.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:11:49.000 Save this for, like, a few years later.

02:11:52.000 I mean, look, it's my opinion that New York should actually elect the communists. 0.92

02:11:57.000 So you can see how terrible communists are.

02:12:00.000 You know, I'm just never of the opinion that you should elect the communists.

02:12:03.000 Try it somewhere not important like Chicago.

02:12:05.000 We can do that in Chicago.

02:12:06.000 The communists should win.

02:12:07.000 What?

02:12:08.000 Even to prove a point.

02:12:09.000 I feel like you're losing and trying to prove the point.

02:12:11.000 Tank like Houston.

02:12:12.000 Somewhere, you know.

02:12:13.000 Somewhere irrelevant.

02:12:14.000 New Yorkers aren't far leftists, by the way.

02:12:17.000 Do it where they can actually have a significant negative impact, but not limited to just the city.

02:12:26.000 But if New York goes...

02:12:29.000 Because of Wall Street, the mayor will try to do things that will actually harm the whole economy, and the whole country is going to be like... 0.97

02:12:41.000 F this guy, and F those communists.

02:12:44.000 We're not allowing that to happen to the whole country. 0.66

02:12:47.000 And then AOC will lose her seat in Congress, and all of the leftists in Congress will get voted out.

02:12:53.000 Phil, have you ever heard the saying, cutting your nose to spite your face?

02:12:59.000 Yeah, I've heard the saying.

02:13:00.000 I think that's exactly what you're trying to do, by electing a communist.

02:13:05.000 The country's most popular and popular city in...

02:13:10.000 The country?

02:13:11.000 No.

02:13:12.000 We had de Blasio.

02:13:13.000 He was literally a communist.

02:13:14.000 And all anyone remembers is he killed a groundhog.

02:13:17.000 That's like the major scandal from his administration.

02:13:19.000 And he was literally like, you should eat cheeseburgers to get vaccinated and all that.

02:13:24.000 It was a nightmare.

02:13:25.000 And no one ever talks about it.

02:13:26.000 He was basically a communist.

02:13:28.000 Ranked choice voting is the thing that might lead to the communist winning, although I still doubt it.

02:13:35.000 It would be in New York City.

02:13:36.000 It's ranked choice voting.

02:13:37.000 So I believe you could rank up to five some odd candidates and then it goes round by round knocking people off.

02:13:43.000 You're ruling out Eric Adams.

02:13:46.000 You don't have to rank five, but that's the idea there.

02:13:49.000 And the idea is that if your first pick isn't relevant enough that other candidates could...

02:13:54.000 I don't know if you know this, but New York is the port-au-prince of America.

02:14:00.000 According to Mayor Adams.

02:14:01.000 So true.

02:14:02.000 I thought you were about to say port-a-potty.

02:14:04.000 Might as well be.

02:14:05.000 What's the difference? 1.00

02:14:06.000 Fucking shit, right? 1.00

02:14:08.000 But yeah, the last poll that I saw had Cuomo winning, I think, by round three or four. 1.00

02:14:13.000 It's like 60-40 in one of the most recent polls.

02:14:17.000 With the other guy right behind him.

02:14:19.000 And once the comptroller Scott Stringer drops out, Cuomo will shoot up even more if this is a nothing burger.

02:14:24.000 Because Scott Stringer's pulling a lot of moderates right now.

02:14:26.000 If there's anything I learned from my time in politics, and this election specifically, is that name ID is the...

02:14:33.000 He's the top five most important things as a political candidate.

02:14:37.000 He's running on his clout as governor, on his father's clout, on his brother's clout, on his family's clout.

02:14:43.000 The Cuomo name is why Cuomo's relevant.

02:14:45.000 It's because people know who he is.

02:14:46.000 People couldn't name...

02:14:48.000 Most of the other candidates, even Zorhan Mamdani, most people don't know of, let alone the other three or four.

02:14:55.000 Say that slowly, because stuff's going to start levitating if you say that.

02:14:57.000 I didn't even want to give him any more credit or name ID by even saying his name, but it's the name ID that matters in this election.

02:15:04.000 That's why America's awesome, because if the Terminator wants to be governor, the Terminator's going to be governor.

02:15:08.000 And if Trump wants to be president, then Trump will become president.

02:15:11.000 Rich and cool and awesome?

02:15:12.000 Yeah, vote for him.

02:15:12.000 Governor Cuomo had some of the worst track record.

02:15:14.000 He resigned not too long ago based off multiple...

02:15:18.000 Yeah.

02:15:27.000 Fudging the numbers on the COVID deaths.

02:15:29.000 All is forgiven.

02:15:31.000 I still remember when they were considering him from president.

02:15:33.000 Do you remember that during COVID?

02:15:35.000 He was supposed to be the alternative to Joe Biden early on.

02:15:37.000 It was supposed to be like, oh, look at this guy.

02:15:39.000 He's doing such a great job handling the pandemic.

02:15:41.000 As opposed to President Trump, who was killing people and whatnot.

02:15:46.000 So, a lot to consider there.

02:15:48.000 Name ID is king.

02:15:49.000 Maybe Cuomo will be like, this is a...

02:15:52.000 You know, the Trump witch hunt.

02:15:53.000 They're trying to take me down to ruin New York City.

02:15:55.000 That would be the best angle.

02:15:56.000 And that's why using that populist rhetoric, because I'm actually usually very critical of populists because I feel like their rhetoric is purposefully divisive or going to perceived against perceived elites that I don't think pans out.

02:16:11.000 But like that populist message I think would work.

02:16:13.000 Great here.

02:16:14.000 I'm not guilty of all those sexual assault allegations or fudging the COVID numbers.

02:16:18.000 The elites are just coming after me.

02:16:20.000 I hate that populist language. 1.00

02:16:22.000 It's like, oh, the country sucks. 0.99

02:16:24.000 I'm Bernie Sanders. 0.99

02:16:25.000 The billionaires. 1.00

02:16:26.000 It's the fucking billionaire's fault. 1.00

02:16:27.000 And it's just like, it's so easy. 1.00

02:16:29.000 And I don't want to bitch about populists too much.

02:16:33.000 But you understand my...

02:16:35.000 No, I do.

02:16:36.000 And I think...

02:16:37.000 And this is kind of like diverting from the topic, but the long-term effort here is Trump is one more term.

02:16:43.000 What's the party going to look like, especially if he's not necessarily – he's not going to be around all the time?

02:16:51.000 Probably.

02:16:51.000 We'll see what his operation looks like after the fact, but that's a fair point.

02:16:56.000 What does the message look like after, and how are we going to get people engaged again?

02:17:02.000 But I think that the – The Democratic Party strain of populism is very strange.

02:17:10.000 It's leftist.

02:17:11.000 It's a communist angle.

02:17:13.000 There's a far-left communist angle, but there's also still that slightly more moderate wing that is, I think, I don't know if we got to the story on the last one with the influencer operation.

02:17:26.000 Oh, no, we didn't.

02:17:26.000 Oh, that's what we were going to talk about.

02:17:28.000 They're trying to spin up.

02:17:30.000 Now, there are some pretty far-left streamers and left-wing influencers out there, but...

02:17:36.000 100% they're going to try and spin up someone else.

02:17:39.000 The only people that get any traction that are streamers are extremely far left.

02:17:43.000 When it comes to the left, there aren't Democrat streamers anymore.

02:17:49.000 Normal Democrats have all gone over to the MAGA side because they're generally kind of populist people that are pro-working class.

02:18:00.000 And the only people that are pro-working class... 0.87

02:18:02.000 The far leftists say they're pro-working class, but they're really actually anti-rich.

02:18:07.000 They hate rich people. 1.00

02:18:08.000 They hate successful people, which is why all communists are just fat, ugly, and hate successful people. 1.00

02:18:14.000 But right now, we're going to go... 0.99

02:18:16.000 I want to get...

02:18:17.000 What are you doing?

02:18:19.000 Nothing.

02:18:21.000 I want to get everybody to go on.

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