Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Israeli Staffers ASSASSINATED, Suspect Yelled FREE PALESTINE, PRAISED Luigi Mangione

00:00:37.000 Last night in D.C., two Israeli citizens were murdered by a leftist who was screaming, Free Palestine!

00:00:46.000 The murderer, the gunman, has been said to be a fan of Luigi Mangione, and he's posted death to America.

00:00:59.000 So we're going to get into that.

00:01:01.000 We have, let's see, we have some information about...

00:01:07.000 Donald Trump's administration ending Harvard's ability to enroll international students, which I'm not sure exactly the legalities of that.

00:01:15.000 I imagine that that's actually going to go to the Supreme Court, like most of the Donald Trump executive orders.

00:01:23.000 Also, the FTC launched a probe of far-left group Media Matters over allegations of advisor collusion against Musk's X, which I think would be...

00:01:34.000 is a pretty good thing.

00:01:36.000 There are actually free speech questions about that, but we'll get into that.

00:01:41.000 There's also an order to boost nuclear power as soon as Friday from the Trump administration.

00:01:47.000 And this is in conjunction with a lot of questions about, does the U.S. have the power needs to compete with China in the AI race?

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00:01:57.000 There was another jet crashed.

00:02:00.000 This happened in San Diego.

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00:02:06.000 The drummer from The Devil Wears Prada lost his life.

00:02:13.000 Also a very well-known booking agent was on board.

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00:03:43.000 Joining us tonight is Scott Horton.

00:03:46.000 Hey, man.

00:03:46.000 How are you?

00:03:46.000 How are you, Scott?

00:03:47.000 Tell everybody who you are and what you do.

00:03:49.000 I'm an anti-government type from Austin, Texas.

00:03:52.000 Ron Paulian, basically.

00:03:54.000 I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, and I write books.

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00:03:59.000 How Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine.

00:04:04.000 And I do a show, the Scott Horton Show, which is at youtube.com slash Scott Horton Show.

00:04:08.000 And I'm on hiatus from X right now because I can't use it.

00:04:11.000 I can only abuse it.

00:04:12.000 And I have some other responsibilities I got to take care of.

00:04:15.000 Some other projects I'm working on.

00:04:17.000 Didn't you start antiwar.com as well?

00:04:19.000 No, I didn't start that.

00:04:20.000 No, I've been there since 2004.

00:04:22.000 Okay, so.

00:04:24.000 But I'm the editorial director of antiwar.com as well.

00:04:27.000 Awesome.

00:04:27.000 Well, thank you very much.

00:04:28.000 Mary's here.

00:04:28.000 I just can't get over it.

00:04:30.000 That book looks like a dictionary.

00:04:32.000 Like, how long did that take you?

00:04:33.000 It took me about two and a half years.

00:04:36.000 About two years.

00:04:38.000 I had a couple of months I had to stop.

00:04:40.000 I had a hard time figuring out what to leave out.

00:04:43.000 My last book, I wanted to be like as brief a possible of a take on each of the terror wars.

00:04:50.000 But this one, I felt like...

00:04:53.000 The idea behind it, basically, is that the burden of proof is on me, really, to say.

00:04:58.000 If I'm going to say everybody else is wrong for the past 40 years about everything that they did to cause a terrible problem, then I better prove it.

00:05:05.000 So I did.

00:05:06.000 So about a quarter of this is footnotes.

00:05:08.000 It's got 7,000 citations in it.

00:05:09.000 Well, apologies, because I did not introduce myself.

00:05:13.000 My name is Mary Morgan, and you will usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast.

00:05:18.000 We actually had a fill on today, which makes it thrashing Thursday.

00:05:22.000 It was.

00:05:23.000 And a lot's here.

00:05:24.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:05:25.000 I am Elad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at TimCast.

00:05:28.000 Let's get into it.

00:05:29.000 So, like I said in the beginning, the Postmillennial reports, D.C. free Palestine shooting suspect charged with first-degree murder praised Luigi Mangione and posted death to America, says a report.

00:05:29.000 All right.

00:05:44.000 Violence does not happen, but if it does, then it should, the account wrote in the past.

00:05:48.000 The man accused of shooting a couple from the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C. this weekend...

00:05:54.000 Reportedly...

00:05:55.000 He has been charged with first-degree murder in the case.

00:06:07.000 According to the New York Post, federal authorities are working to connect a social media account reportedly linked to Rodriguez.

00:06:23.000 Law enforcement sources told the outlet.

00:06:25.000 Rodriguez, a socialist activist, yelled, free Palestine, as police were taking him into custody, was arriving for the killing of Yaron Leshinsky and his girlfriend, Sarah Lynn Milgram.

00:06:38.000 The couple was set to get engaged next week.

00:06:41.000 Scott, I don't think that there is a more well-versed authority on the situation in Gaza than you, but I think that...

00:06:51.000 It sounds like, at least the way that the Post Millennial is reporting, it sounds like this goes beyond just the situation in Gaza, but I'd like to know your thoughts with the beginning.

00:07:02.000 And before we get into it, actually, I wanted to mention that you directed me to Ken Klippenstein's Substack post, and I think that it's worth all of our viewers reading.

00:07:11.000 He posted the manifesto that Rodriguez had made, and it was...

00:07:19.000 I think a week or so before this happened.

00:07:22.000 So it's not...

00:07:23.000 It hasn't been...

00:07:25.000 Tampered with or whatever.

00:07:26.000 There's a time stamp.

00:07:26.000 But I'd like to hear your thoughts.

00:07:28.000 Sure.

00:07:28.000 Okay, well, a few things.

00:07:29.000 First of all, I'm not the best, although I'm really good on it.

00:07:33.000 Okay.

00:07:34.000 My guys are the best.

00:07:35.000 You're the most humble.

00:07:37.000 I truly could not recommend more highly Dave DeCamp, especially our news director at Antiwar.com, who covers this stuff in and out every day, and is the best.

00:07:48.000 Kyle Anzalone as well, and the whole crew over there at Antiwar.com.

00:07:52.000 And there are a lot of other people who are really great on it.

00:07:54.000 I won't claim that.

00:07:57.000 And then, I'm sorry I lost my train of thought on what the second point I was going to make.

00:08:01.000 But the third one, I'll just skip to, I'll see if I can remember that later.

00:08:05.000 The main point being, first of all, it's obviously first degree murder, premeditated assassination.

00:08:11.000 So either life in prison without parole or death penalty, whatever the state, you know, whoever that is, the jurisdiction.

00:08:19.000 Oh, I guess it would be a federal case.

00:08:23.000 So, death penalty's been reinstated on the federal level, right?

00:08:27.000 Later's for him.

00:08:28.000 I mean, yeah, that's terrible.

00:08:29.000 And it should be condemned, especially by anybody who is sympathetic with the Palestinians. 1.00

00:08:34.000 If the guy thought he was helping the Palestinians, obviously, he might as well have been working for the Israelis as far as that goes.

00:08:40.000 Something like this is the worst kind of thing somebody could do to discredit the cause that they support.

00:08:46.000 But, you know, I'm sure you're familiar with Saul Alinsky.

00:08:49.000 That wrote Rules for Radicals.

00:08:49.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:08:51.000 And I'm not a comic, by the way.

00:08:53.000 I learned this from the John Birchers.

00:08:55.000 Actually, Scott is very far away from communist.

00:08:58.000 I'll definitely vouch for Scott on that.

00:09:00.000 He's very, very far away from communist.

00:09:01.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:09:03.000 But I'm pretty sure it's page 74 of Rules for Radicals, because I needed the footnote.

00:09:10.000 And what he says in there is in all asymmetrical political action, the action is in the reaction of the opposition, right?

00:09:18.000 So it's all about creating a conflict, heightening tensions, this kind of thing.

00:09:22.000 So what he's trying to do, I mean, assuming the guy thought it through at all, what he's trying to do is get Trump to clamp down harder on pro-Palestine protesters and then get them to react harder against him and just like trolling back and forth, right?

00:09:36.000 Each other, heightening the tension and making things worse in order to try to...

00:09:40.000 To cause the change.

00:09:41.000 So that's the strategy behind, I mean, presumably if you had a strategy at all other than just angrily lashing out to murder these people.

00:09:51.000 Only in the most ironic sense you understand what I mean.

00:09:54.000 That just everybody else got lucky, other than this poor couple, that this guy could have set off a truck bomb and killed a bunch of innocent people.

00:10:01.000 And I've been predicting this for a long time.

00:10:03.000 This time it was a commie.

00:10:05.000 On New Year's, it was an army veteran, convert to Islam, who attacked Bourbon Street. 1.00

00:10:12.000 And now, this all got obscured because there was that other veteran set off the truck bomb in Las Vegas with that weird letter to Sean Ryan and all this stuff that obscured it.

00:10:20.000 We heard the whole thing what happened on Bourbon Street.

00:10:23.000 And now they never released the guy's video rants.

00:10:27.000 They say that he recorded himself on his drive to New Orleans from Houston, right?

00:10:33.000 They haven't released that or transcripts of that as far as I know yet.

00:10:37.000 But I'm willing to go out on a limb and bet you ten bucks that what he was ranting about was the war in Gaza.

00:10:43.000 And then what happened was, it's not even a war, the canned hunt, the slaughter of these poor people over there.

00:10:48.000 And then what he did was slaughter a bunch of innocent people partying on Bourbon Street on New Year's Eve.

00:10:54.000 So in other words, like, other than children, you couldn't get more innocent of civilians than just people out drinking, having a good time, doing nothing.

00:11:02.000 And they gotta pay the price for Israel's sins here. 0.99

00:11:05.000 And the point being that not obviously, as everyone should understand, not to justify what they're doing, but to explain That's their justification.

00:11:14.000 That's their rationalization.

00:11:16.000 And so supporting Israel the way that we do, it is not in America's national interest. 0.94

00:11:21.000 And I wish Tim was here, because I'd like to remind him, as I told him before.

00:11:24.000 And this is, I think, obscured by a lot of smoke and a lot of other things.

00:11:30.000 Israel and America's support for Israel is the primary reason that America's own al-Qaeda terrorist mercenaries turned on the United States of America and hit us, not just on September 11th, but all through the 1990s. 0.65

00:11:43.000 Their first attack here, it was, you know, proto-al-Qaeda, Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

00:11:47.000 Their first attack here was Rabbi Kahane in New York City, and he was a radical right-wing rabbi from the Koch party, which the Israeli Supreme Court had banned for being fascist, and they assassinated him.

00:12:00.000 When was that?

00:12:03.000 In 1990.

00:12:04.000 Okay.

00:12:04.000 And he had a really good Jewish lawyer that got everything narrowed down to just this very narrow question, and the whole investigation into the rest of his co-conspirators got all trashed.

00:12:16.000 And the same group went on to bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.

00:12:20.000 With Ramzi Youssef?

00:12:21.000 With Ramzi Youssef.

00:12:22.000 And see, the story there, if people don't know this, it's an interesting one.

00:12:26.000 The FBI could have stopped it.

00:12:27.000 It's a side point, but it's worth making.

00:12:29.000 The FBI had an informant inside the group, and the two agents working the case were doing a good job, but their boss prevented them from following through.

00:12:38.000 And he cut the guy's pay, and he demanded that he wear a wire, which was impossible.

00:12:42.000 He would have got caught.

00:12:43.000 So the informant, who was going to make a fake bomb...

00:12:46.000 Left the plot, and then they brought in Ramsay Yousef, and Yousef is the one who cooked the real bomb.

00:12:51.000 And they almost succeeded in toppling one tower over into the other, which would have hit a few more too.

00:12:58.000 Most people don't think about it because the...

00:13:02.000 Consequences weren't catastrophic.

00:13:04.000 Yeah, it was six people were killed, so people just blew it off.

00:13:06.000 And then, of course, the ATF raided the Branch Davidians Church two days later.

00:13:10.000 And so that is what took all the attention away from the first retreat.

00:13:13.000 I didn't realize they were that close in time.

00:13:15.000 Yeah, it was February the 26th and the 28th there.

00:13:18.000 A Sunday morning, they raided them because they thought, well, they'll all be at church, so we'll catch them by surprise.

00:13:22.000 That's what you do, you know, when you're the ATF.

00:13:24.000 Anyway, and then all through the 1990s, these are the same group.

00:13:29.000 They tried to kill Americans at the Rasen Hotel in Yemen in 1992.

00:13:35.000 Americans training the Saudi National Guard in 1995.

00:13:38.000 The barracks, the Khobar Towers barracks killed 19 American airmen in 1996.

00:13:45.000 Then the Africa embassies in 1998, the coal in 2000, eventually September 11th.

00:13:50.000 And this whole time, this group of guys working for bin Laden and Zawahiri, they were motivated primarily, their whole propaganda...

00:13:58.000 Never mind exactly what bin Laden believed, because he's a murderer, so who cares what he says, right? 0.95

00:14:03.000 As far as you don't take his word for anything.

00:14:04.000 But the point is, this is how he recruited people, is he would point at America's occupation of Saudi Arabia in order to dual contain Iraq and Iran at Israel's behest.

00:14:15.000 See, I thought...

00:14:16.000 And American support for Israel in their... 0.75

00:14:21.000 Persecution of the Palestinians and the Lebanese.

00:14:23.000 Those are the top two things on the list of their reasons.

00:14:26.000 And these guys worked for Bill Clinton the whole time they're bombing us.

00:14:28.000 Bill Clinton's still backing them in Bosnia, in Kosovo, in Chechnya, and he thinks he's cute.

00:14:33.000 Ten of the 19 hijackers had fought on America's side in Bosnia or Chechnya before they turned around and hit us.

00:14:41.000 And I'm not going truther on you. 0.66

00:14:44.000 I'm saying the Americans were playing this cute game where we get to use these terrorists to kill Serbs. 1.00

00:14:50.000 and Russians, and don't worry, we know what we're doing. 0.78

00:14:53.000 But meanwhile, the things that they were doing in the Middle East that were motivating them to turn against us were still going on.

00:14:59.000 Yeah.

00:15:00.000 And I'm sorry, you were going to say about the dual containment there.

00:15:03.000 No, I just, it was, like, I'm aware of the situation where bin Laden was saying, you know, the major reason why he was, one of the major reasons why he was looking to attack the U.S. was because of the fact the U.S. built a base in Saudi Arabia, and he considered that, like, sullying the Holy Land.

00:15:22.000 And it's bombing Iraq from those bases for the whole 1990s long, enforcing the no-fly zone and enforcing... 0.87

00:15:30.000 Again, this is something that my understanding was that Bin Laden was PO'd, that he didn't get to bring his Mujahideen in to defend the Saudis.

00:15:40.000 That's right.

00:15:41.000 He wanted to get the Saudis. 0.99

00:15:42.000 He was like, look, you know my dad.

00:15:45.000 Like, we're friends.

00:15:46.000 We're family, essentially.

00:15:48.000 I just beat the Russians. 0.92

00:15:49.000 Let me bring my Mujahideen here.

00:15:51.000 We will kick Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, and we'll make sure that the Saudi Arabian, you know, make sure that Saudis are safe.

00:15:59.000 And the Saudis said, no, we're going to go with the Americans. 0.95

00:16:02.000 And he took offense to that.

00:16:03.000 You know, he was like...

00:16:04.000 What the F were, you know, you know my, again, you know my dad.

00:16:08.000 And they built a base, which is a bad thing to the Saudis. 0.95

00:16:10.000 Yeah, and you can look, there's a, it's a hilarious, there's a hilarious interview of Dick Cheney by Bill Kristol on Bill Kristol's podcast, if you can believe it.

00:16:19.000 And they talk about Cheney's entire career, except they don't talk about Iraq War II at all.

00:16:23.000 For some reason, they just leave that out.

00:16:25.000 But anyway, when they talk about Iraq War I, Cheney explains that never even mind the Secretary of State.

00:16:30.000 He promised the king, as soon as the war is over, we'll leave.

00:16:33.000 And it was on that condition that they were allowed to come in in the first place.

00:16:37.000 But anyway, go ahead.

00:16:39.000 It's your sense that they...

00:16:40.000 I think that's largely right.

00:17:00.000 But see, so the excuse was that the...

00:17:05.000 That George Bush Sr. had encouraged the Shiites to rise up and overthrow Saddam and then had stabbed them in the back and let Saddam Hussein massacre them all because they were being led by people that had been living, Iraqis who'd been living in Iran for 20 years, or no, by that time, sorry, 10 years, and were on their way to inherit the revolution. 0.70

00:17:23.000 So he stabbed them in the back and left them high and dry and let Saddam massacre them all. 0.97

00:17:27.000 Then they said, well, now we have to stay to enforce this no-fly zone and this blockade. 0.93

00:17:32.000 And so that was...

00:17:34.000 And then Bill Clinton continued the policy. 0.93

00:17:35.000 Now, when Bill Clinton came in, he stupidly said out loud, well, I think we could maybe normalize relations with Iraq. 0.76

00:17:42.000 Well, that set everybody off. 0.96

00:17:44.000 And so what the Kuwaitis did was they rigged this fake plot against H.W. Bush. 0.86

00:17:48.000 Everybody still believes in this, that Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr. in Kuwait with a truck bomb. 1.00

00:17:53.000 But it's such a stupid lie. 1.00

00:17:54.000 And Seymour Hersh debunked it in an article called Case Closed. 1.00

00:17:59.000 Case not closed is actually what it's called.

00:18:01.000 And all it was was a whiskey smuggling ring that they embellished into this plot against Bush because he happened to be in town kind of thing.

00:18:07.000 And then once that happened, that was like the final straw for Bill Clinton to give in to the Israeli policy.

00:18:14.000 It was Yitzhak Rabin's policy that he was insisting on.

00:18:16.000 And it was his agent, Martin Indyk, who actually had previously worked for Yitzhak Shamir, the Likud prime minister, who...

00:18:25.000 Who dreamt up and inaugurated the policy of what they call dual containment.

00:18:30.000 And the idea was because America had just beat up Saddam Hussein so bad in Iraq War I, he's now not powerful enough to balance against Iran. 0.93

00:18:38.000 So America has to stay to balance against them both.

00:18:42.000 And then that becomes then again the leading cause of...

00:18:47.000 These terrorists that worked for the United States then turning against us, knocking down our towers, hitting our Pentagon, and kicking off another 20 years of war.

00:18:56.000 I know.

00:18:57.000 We ran through a ton.

00:18:58.000 I know.

00:18:58.000 It's a lot.

00:18:59.000 Go ahead.

00:18:59.000 And it's really hard to absorb when you kind of just blast it out like that.

00:19:02.000 So I wanted to kind of focus in on something like practical that's going on in geopolitics right now.

00:19:07.000 And that's like the Iran nuclear deal that President Trump is trying to strike with Iran.

00:19:12.000 So, like, I don't know.

00:19:13.000 I want to understand the Libertarian Institute's position on the Iran nuclear dealer.

00:19:18.000 What do you think America's interests are moving forward while Iran is trying to acquire a nuclear weapon?

00:19:25.000 Well, your premise is wrong there.

00:19:26.000 So here's what it is.

00:19:28.000 And it's a complicated subject, but I'm with it.

00:19:32.000 The bottom line to start is Iran has a latent nuclear deterrent, which is essentially equal to Germany, Brazil, Japan, where they've mastered the fuel cycle. 0.91

00:19:43.000 They've proven that they know how to enrich uranium.

00:19:45.000 They could make a nuclear bomb, but they don't.

00:19:48.000 And they're essentially announcing to the world, don't.

00:19:51.000 Make me.

00:19:52.000 And then they won't.

00:19:54.000 How long would it take them?

00:19:56.000 So that's a great question.

00:19:58.000 So first of all, they mastered the fuel cycle 20 years ago.

00:20:01.000 So this has been their position.

00:20:03.000 They could have built atom bombs by now, but they haven't tried.

00:20:06.000 So right now they could achieve one atomic bomb of enriched uranium, you know, in a shorter time than when the deal was still being followed because they have built up a stockpile of lower enriched uranium.

00:20:23.000 So they could take that stockpile and enrich it higher.

00:20:26.000 Before Trump tore up the deal under the Obama deal, they exported all of their stockpile out of the country to France and then France would turn it into fuel rods and ship it back in.

00:20:37.000 You're doing, you're explaining, but I want to.

00:20:38.000 Well, I'm just saying I was answering her specific question there.

00:20:42.000 My position is I support, and the vast majority of Americans, I think it was 68% in the poll, said they support Trump's diplomacy with Iran to make a new deal with Iran.

00:20:52.000 So if Iran tries to get nuclear weapons, how should the United States respond?

00:20:56.000 Well, to skip ahead to if it came to that, I mean, well, no, not skip ahead, because you're kind of assuming the conclusion in a way.

00:21:08.000 It's like this, basically, okay?

00:21:09.000 It's a Mexican-type standoff, sort of.

00:21:12.000 Not like more than two people pointing guns at each other, but sort of.

00:21:16.000 Where they're saying, look, man, in body language, diplomatic language, they're basically saying, if you bomb us, well, then we'll have no choice but to make nukes then.

00:21:27.000 So don't bomb us and we won't make nukes.

00:21:29.000 And America's saying, don't make nukes and we won't bomb you.

00:21:36.000 So we have a perfect basis for a negotiation as things stand right now.

00:21:36.000 Right?

00:21:41.000 They're not trying to make a nuclear bomb.

00:21:43.000 They're not trying to make a nuclear bomb.

00:21:45.000 No, they're not trying to make a nuclear bomb.

00:21:48.000 And in fact, you can read from February the 5th, where Tulsi Gabbard, the DNI, put out her threat assessment, and they just said the same thing that the government's been saying.

00:21:57.000 Wait, let me finish now.

00:22:00.000 Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, just reaffirmed what the CIA has been saying since 2007, which is they have not made the political decision to try to make nuclear weapons.

00:22:12.000 They do not have a nuclear weapons program.

00:22:15.000 So if Iran decides to try to make a nuclear weapon, how should the United States respond?

00:22:20.000 Well, I'm saying...

00:22:22.000 There's every reason to believe they won't unless we bomb them first.

00:22:26.000 Okay, so you're sort of starting from, okay, but never mind all that.

00:22:31.000 I'm going down.

00:22:32.000 I mean...

00:22:32.000 Is that hypothetical without a deal or after a deal?

00:22:36.000 I'm just trying to understand.

00:22:37.000 If push comes to shove and there's no nuclear deal...

00:22:40.000 I'm a non-interventionist either way.

00:22:42.000 So I'm trying to understand.

00:22:43.000 So if Iran decides to try to get a nuclear weapon, you think what?

00:22:47.000 We should do nothing.

00:22:49.000 The same position that Eisenhower had on the USSR.

00:22:53.000 I don't care about Eisenhower. 0.88

00:22:53.000 The same position that Johnson had on Mao Zedong, the craziest person, the most murder psychopath who ever lived. 0.88

00:23:01.000 Johnson said, I'm not going to attack him to prevent him from getting a nuclear weapon.

00:23:05.000 Your position is, we should just allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. 0.87

00:23:09.000 What do you think the consequences of that in the area would be?

00:23:13.000 Well, according to Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak...

00:23:15.000 I want to do according to Scott Horton.

00:23:17.000 I agree with Netanyahu when he told Jeffrey Goldberg that he does not fear a first strike from Iran at all.

00:23:26.000 He fears an Israeli brain drain that talented Israelis of means would just get up, pack up, and move to Florida and... 0.99

00:23:35.000 Feel safer there.

00:23:36.000 And that would be bad for Israel, and it would give Hezbollah possibly more freedom of action in the region. 0.93

00:23:42.000 That was what...

00:23:43.000 It's a little bit rich, because...

00:23:45.000 That was what Benjamin Netanyahu...

00:23:47.000 And you have no concerns about requiring a nuclear weapon.

00:23:49.000 I know you could pivot to Israel, but...

00:23:50.000 Well, you know that Israel has a nuclear deterrent.

00:23:53.000 Israel has more than 200 nuclear bombs.

00:23:55.000 So what are you worried about?

00:23:57.000 I don't think you've thought this fully through, so that's why I'm asking you, what do you think the consequences would be in the Middle East?

00:24:03.000 Do you think Saudi Arabia would want to try to acquire a nuclear weapon if Iran did? 0.55

00:24:07.000 I'm begging the question because they've said so already.

00:24:10.000 Do you have any concerns about nuclear programs?

00:24:15.000 Actually, one of the proposals right now is that they would have a joint nuclear program together.

00:24:20.000 Under a consortium, just like we have multinational nuclear consortiums in different places around the world.

00:24:24.000 Muhammad bin Salman said that if Iran got a nuclear weapon, they would want to acquire a nuclear weapon.

00:24:28.000 So I guess the bigger issue here would be nuclear proliferation across the Middle East.

00:24:33.000 So I don't know.

00:24:34.000 Is that a concern?

00:24:34.000 Or is this a pipe dream?

00:24:35.000 You are begging the question.

00:24:37.000 Your whole hypothetical is the day after tomorrow, the Ayatollah decides to make a nuke for no reason. 0.88

00:24:42.000 They've been saying they want to make a nuke for decades.

00:24:44.000 No, they haven't.

00:24:45.000 No, you're wrong about that.

00:24:46.000 I think you might be in a little bit of a bubble if you think otherwise.

00:24:49.000 Look up the threat assessment from February of this year by Tulsi Gabbard, and it says they have not made the political decision to attempt to get nuclear weapons.

00:24:56.000 Maybe I'm a little bit crazy, but I think it's bad for a regime that says death to America to get a nuclear weapon.

00:25:01.000 And to think there aren't going to be consequences of nuclear proliferation in the Middle East, I think, is naive and nearsighted, frankly.

00:25:08.000 And again, it doesn't even sound like you have this stuff thought out, frankly.

00:25:12.000 Yeah, no, I don't know anything about it.

00:25:13.000 They signed the non-proliferation treaty back in 1968.

00:25:16.000 You're so scared to say so.

00:25:17.000 You think Iran should just... 0.98

00:25:18.000 Jesus Christ, why won't you just let me finish?

00:25:21.000 Go ahead.

00:25:22.000 They signed the Nonproliferation Treaty in 1968.

00:25:25.000 They mastered the fuel cycle in 2005.

00:25:29.000 They have never enriched to weapons grade.

00:25:32.000 They still have a safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which has inspectors at all of their facilities.

00:25:39.000 When they signed the 2015 deal with Obama and the rest of the Security Council, they poured concrete into their rock-heavy water reactor.

00:25:47.000 They expanded inspections even to non-nuclear military facilities and scaled back the number of centrifuges spinning at Natanz.

00:25:57.000 I haven't thought this through.

00:25:58.000 I really don't know nothing about this.

00:26:01.000 Why does Iran need a nuclear program at all is the question.

00:26:03.000 Why?

00:26:04.000 Because, so they can sell their oil and burn their local domestic supply of uranium that they mine domestically.

00:26:11.000 They don't buy it on the international market.

00:26:12.000 They have their own supply of uranium.

00:26:14.000 They sell their oil for money.

00:26:16.000 And have a domestic...

00:26:18.000 And as I already...

00:26:19.000 The first thing I said about this was it's a latent nuclear deterrent.

00:26:25.000 Wasn't that the first thing I said?

00:26:27.000 Was that it's a latent nuclear deterrent.

00:26:29.000 Just like Brazil has, just like Japan has. 0.98

00:26:32.000 So it's a latent nuclear deterrent, but they don't have any plans.

00:26:33.000 If China started threatening Japan, Japan could convert their civilian nuclear program to a military nuclear program.

00:26:44.000 They already have nuclear weapons.

00:26:46.000 I mean...

00:26:47.000 I didn't say if China got nuclear weapons.

00:26:50.000 I said if China started threatening Japan with them, then Japan... 0.51

00:26:55.000 China knows.

00:26:57.000 Japan could turn around and make nukes. 0.72

00:27:00.000 Right now they don't have nukes because they've been nuked and they've got an anti-nuke principle that they're sticking by.

00:27:06.000 But if push comes to shove...

00:27:08.000 That's true.

00:27:10.000 They're allies with the United States.

00:27:11.000 But if push comes to shove, they...

00:27:13.000 Have demonstrated that they can make nuclear weapons.

00:27:16.000 That's the exact same thing.

00:27:17.000 I guess my point here is that nuclear proliferation in the middle.

00:27:20.000 That's the same.

00:27:21.000 Guys, guys, guys, guys.

00:27:24.000 Hey, guys.

00:27:24.000 Why are you talking to me like this?

00:27:27.000 This is ridiculous. 0.99

00:27:28.000 You're just playing straight for the camera. 0.98

00:27:29.000 You're not even talking to me anymore.

00:27:30.000 I'm talking to you, but you're just like, no, you love to pivot to random things while I'm trying to get to you.

00:27:35.000 And you weasel around my questions.

00:27:36.000 He's not weaseling around your questions at all.

00:27:39.000 I said they mastered the fuel cycle in 2005.

00:27:42.000 They've been able to enrich uranium since then.

00:27:45.000 And they've never enriched to weapons grade.

00:27:47.000 They've stayed within the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

00:27:50.000 Even when Trump tore up the Obama deal, they still stayed within it.

00:27:54.000 And even the deal itself, the JCPOA itself, stipulates that if America breaks the deal...

00:28:00.000 Iran is allowed to stop abiding by some of its restrictions and still stay in the deal.

00:28:05.000 And they are still in the deal with our allies, the British and the French, on the UN Security Council, as well as our adversaries, Russia and China.

00:28:12.000 And under that old deal, by the way, it was only majority rule.

00:28:17.000 It was not any country can veto like normal UNSC rules.

00:28:21.000 So it was if America, Britain and France agree about an accusation against Iran, they have to open up.

00:28:28.000 to inspections whatever we want or else the full global sanctions regime goes automatically back into place.

00:28:35.000 It was a perfectly good deal.

00:28:36.000 Donald Trump is clearly trying to work out a deal along those lines right now.

00:28:41.000 The question is whether he's going to stick with this Essentially deal-killing poison pill that says that Iran must cease all enrichment.

00:28:50.000 Because they're not going to cease all enrichment because, again, they need that latent deterrent.

00:28:55.000 Guys, I want to bring this back to the U.S. and what this means for the United States.

00:29:00.000 Because it's my sense that this...

00:29:03.000 And we can talk about the history in the Middle East all night.

00:29:09.000 But it's my sense that...

00:29:11.000 The situation that happened last night with the murder of the two Israelis, what you said earlier about it being terrible for Gaza and stuff, I think that you're spot on with that. 1.00

00:29:21.000 But I do feel like, as much as he says that this is about Israel and about Gaza, I do think that in the United States, there is a very strong current of socialist leftists that have nothing but...

00:29:37.000 disdain for the United States and his previous comments about, you know, Luigi and I think that the situation in Gaza for a lot of American leftists is just an excuse, just like you were saying that what bin Laden does is using the situation in Gaza to recruit people.

00:30:00.000 I feel like the situation in Gaza is done.

00:30:04.000 The left does the same thing.

00:30:06.000 I agree with you.

00:30:06.000 And that's an overlap.

00:30:08.000 And look, communists are the worst on everything. 0.54

00:30:11.000 We used to make fun of them because where did the anti-war left go? 0.95

00:30:14.000 It wasn't even Obama.

00:30:16.000 It was once Nancy Pelosi took over the House in 06. And the anti-war left disappeared.

00:30:21.000 They climbed back into power on Nancy Sheehan's back and then they vanished.

00:30:24.000 And we used to laugh.

00:30:25.000 See, where did the anti-war left go?

00:30:27.000 Now we're like, oh man, I wish they would have just stayed gone.

00:30:31.000 We don't need anti-American, anti-Western communists taking our side on anything.

00:30:37.000 It just looks bad.

00:30:38.000 It's like when you agree with Joe Biden about bombing the poor Gazans.

00:30:41.000 You're like, man, I'm getting Joe Biden all over me as well as the blood of these poor Gazans. 0.99

00:30:44.000 You know, remember Clean for Gene?

00:30:58.000 This was before our time, but when...

00:31:00.000 Eugene McCarthy ran for president, and he really wanted to end the war in Vietnam.

00:31:06.000 And all the hippies cut their hair and shaved their beards and said, let's get clean for Gene and go out there and show these people that we're not anti-Americans, we're pro-Americans, but we're pro-peace here.

00:31:17.000 And that is absolutely what matters.

00:31:18.000 And yes, no, communists burn everything they touch, you know, and it makes the perfect foil for the war party that look who's on the side of peace, an assassin.

00:31:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:30.000 And then you just get to blow off everything else.

00:31:33.000 But meanwhile, you know, we really should talk about what's happening in Gaza because it's an absolute horror show.

00:31:37.000 Donald Trump himself said that people there are starving.

00:31:40.000 And that's not an accident.

00:31:42.000 There has been a full blockade.

00:31:44.000 They haven't allowed any trucks in there in 11 weeks.

00:31:47.000 And you can read it on antiwar.com every day.

00:31:49.000 There are literally babies starving to death.

00:31:52.000 And never mind a couple hundred people getting bombed to death every single day.

00:31:57.000 It's like, imagine the Waco massacre.

00:31:59.000 Over and over and over every single day for a year and a half.

00:32:04.000 And people talk about sometimes on this show, too, about Gaza and Palestine like it's a separate sovereign nation.

00:32:10.000 And this, you know, as Ben Shapiro always says, like, what would we do if Mexico attacked across the Rio Grande?

00:32:16.000 But that's not right.

00:32:17.000 This is an Indian reservation.

00:32:19.000 The Israelis conquered it back in 1967. 0.88

00:32:22.000 They de facto annexed it in 67. It's completely under their control.

00:32:27.000 It's their siege. 0.96

00:32:28.000 It would be like if some black gangsters in South Chicago went to North Chicago and committed some crimes, and we built a wall around South Chicago and just started bombing the ghetto and killed 50,000 people, bombing them with airstrikes over what was essentially a massive crime, a terrible crime. 0.94

00:32:50.000 Or even, on the margin, I mean, obviously a terrorist attack, too. 0.96

00:32:54.000 That wasn't the marginal part, I was going to say.

00:32:56.000 An act of war, in a sense.

00:32:58.000 But what's proportion to 1,200 dead?

00:33:01.000 And I don't know if you guys have covered this at all, but you must know.

00:33:04.000 And Max Blumenthal did a fantastic documentary about this called Atrocity, Inc.

00:33:10.000 You guys should have him on here, man.

00:33:11.000 We've had him on.

00:33:12.000 We actually sat down and talked to him.

00:33:13.000 So he did this thing, Atrocity, Inc., where he showed where all of the worst atrocities from...

00:33:19.000 October the 7th were embellished.

00:33:21.000 The beheaded babies, the baby that was cut from the pregnant woman's stomach, the baby thrown in the oven, babies hung from closed wires.

00:33:30.000 Now, why do they do that?

00:33:31.000 It was already like over, what, 800 civilians?

00:33:35.000 And I don't know the exact number, but it was hundreds of civilians along with, well, but there were soldiers too.

00:33:41.000 But I'm just saying some combatants, but which combatants...

00:33:44.000 Under the rules are fair game, but noncombatants are not.

00:33:48.000 I'm just saying, as horrible as it already was, why did they tell their own people, your mom wasn't just killed, she was raped to death all day.

00:33:57.000 Why did they do that?

00:33:58.000 Wait, let me finish. 0.64

00:33:59.000 They did it so they could justify actually cutting kids' heads off. 0.96

00:34:03.000 They have been the ones killing babies. 0.99

00:34:05.000 They have just short of 900 named babies, short of their first birthday, who have died in Gaza over the last year and a half, being killed.

00:34:13.000 Over the last year and a half.

00:34:14.000 That's real.

00:34:15.000 We had Max on, and it was back in the old studio.

00:34:21.000 And I'm a little skeptical of Max, and the reason is because when we were talking...

00:34:27.000 He shows his notes in that documentary, though.

00:34:29.000 He shows his work the whole time.

00:34:31.000 It's called Atrocity, Inc.

00:34:31.000 Everyone can watch it.

00:34:32.000 And he proves it.

00:34:33.000 He cites Israeli media for most of it.

00:34:37.000 Okay, well, one of the things that really set me off about it was he was...

00:34:41.000 When he was talking about the people at the raves, at the rave that was attacked, he was like, oh, you know, and he brought up, he's like, you know, these kids were on drugs and blah blah.

00:34:49.000 And I'm like, I mean, look, you know, I'm in a band and I remember what it was like hearing stories about the Bataclan and, you know, the terror attack in France.

00:34:59.000 And, you know, I knew people that knew, I didn't know anyone that was actually at the Bataclan, but I knew people that knew people.

00:35:04.000 Like, we had people in our group.

00:35:05.000 What was the context of bringing up that they were on drugs?

00:35:07.000 I don't know.

00:35:08.000 That's why I was like, why?

00:35:09.000 I'd have to hear it.

00:35:10.000 And it just rubbed me the wrong way.

00:35:12.000 He's a leftist, but he's a good dude.

00:35:12.000 He's a good dude.

00:35:14.000 Yeah, like I said.

00:35:15.000 He's not anti-American.

00:35:16.000 He is a patriot.

00:35:17.000 He's just...

00:35:17.000 All right.

00:35:19.000 And he's hardcore in this issue.

00:35:20.000 And look, I mean, I interviewed him back and he moved to Israel and lived there for 10 months to write his book, Goliath, back years ago.

00:35:28.000 And, you know, he's heavily invested in this.

00:35:30.000 He went during the 2014, like just at the very tail end of the 2014 campaign, he and Dan Cohen went in there, went to Gaza, and they did this incredible documentary.

00:35:41.000 It's called Killing Gaza, and everybody can watch it for free online. 0.94

00:35:45.000 It's Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen.

00:35:46.000 And man, I'll tell you, they go around.

00:35:48.000 And they interview all these people.

00:35:50.000 And, you know, you can call it selective editing or whatever, but, like, here's two nice Jewish boys parading around the Gaza Strip, putting their microphone in all these people's faces.

00:35:59.000 And everybody's talking.

00:36:00.000 They sound like they could be a Texan or from wherever you're from, that you see this dirt? 0.98

00:36:05.000 This is my grandfather's house.

00:36:06.000 This is my land, and you can't have it, and I'll fight for it, etc., etc. 0.99

00:36:09.000 Nobody says Allah says that I'm supposed to hate and kill Jews and Christians and blah, blah, blah. 0.98

00:36:14.000 Nobody says that. 0.97

00:36:15.000 Nobody says we hate your freedom.

00:36:18.000 Well, yeah, I mean...

00:36:20.000 We're poor, exploded victims, and all we want is justice and to be free.

00:36:25.000 And watch that documentary, dude.

00:36:28.000 You see the humanity in these people, dude.

00:36:29.000 They're exactly like us.

00:36:31.000 There's so much propaganda trying to make us hate the Palestinian people, but Hamas is not the Palestinian people.

00:36:36.000 And as I guess you know, the Likud foisted Hamas on the Palestinian people in the first place just so they could cynically say, we have no partner for peace.

00:36:45.000 You don't expect us to negotiate with terrorists, do you?

00:36:48.000 When, of course, They were the ones who put them in power.

00:36:51.000 And you can read it in the Wall Street Journal by Andrew Higgins.

00:36:54.000 And you can read it in UPI by Richard Sale.

00:36:56.000 And you can read it in Robert Dreyfuss' great book, Devil's Game.

00:36:59.000 And in Trita Parsi's great book, The Treacherous Alliance.

00:37:02.000 I'm familiar with the situation where the Likud party was looking to have—they were sending money to Hamas or whatever, so that way Hamas would stay in power, so they had basically an enemy to fight.

00:37:16.000 And they would say, this is how we prevent a Palestinian state.

00:37:20.000 We keep the Palestinians divided between Fatah in the West Bank and the religious coup Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and then this is what— This is what Dov Weisklass, who was an advisor to Ariel Sharon, said.

00:37:37.000 He says, now that we've withdrawn and Hamas is prominent in Gaza, now we have a no-one-to-talk-to certificate from the U.S. Congress.

00:37:47.000 And it says that we have no one to talk to.

00:37:49.000 Sorry.

00:37:50.000 And we won't have anyone to talk to until Gaza becomes Norway. 0.98

00:37:54.000 See you then.

00:37:55.000 Shalom.

00:37:56.000 He says.

00:37:57.000 So in other words, they want that land.

00:38:01.000 They don't want peace. 1.00

00:38:02.000 They want to kill those people, drive them out of there, and steal their property. 0.96

00:38:06.000 Even though God says you're not supposed to covet your neighbor's property. 0.98

00:38:10.000 Hold on a second.

00:38:11.000 I was going to ask.

00:38:11.000 What were you going to say, Alan?

00:38:12.000 For how...

00:38:14.000 Israel props up Hamas. 0.69

00:38:16.000 What's the specific allegation that they allowed money that Qatar was sending them through, that they didn't continue to sanction money?

00:38:23.000 If you go back in history, they ate and embedded the rise of Hamas in the first place. 0.96

00:38:23.000 Well, it depends. 0.96

00:38:27.000 The Shin Bet and the Mossad, both working together, did that beginning, I believe, in 1988 and into...

00:38:34.000 I think that's right.

00:38:35.000 And into the 1990s was when they did that in the first place was to divide and for the purpose of dividing and conquering the Palestinians. 0.81

00:38:43.000 As far as Netanyahu's policy, I'm not exactly sure when the Qatari money began.

00:38:49.000 It was in the early hours.

00:38:50.000 But there was Israeli money that was going directly to them first before they got the Qataris to do it.

00:38:55.000 And then I have an article.

00:38:58.000 That I would recommend to you.

00:39:00.000 It's called Netanyahu Support for Hamas Backfired.

00:39:03.000 And in there, I have all the sources and hyperlinks for you there for tons of sources and for mostly Israeli press and quoting Likud after Likud after Likud, parliamentarian and propagandist.

00:39:19.000 I'm explaining why this is a brilliant Machiavellian strategy to make the Europeans, the Americans, and the Tel Aviv liberals shut up about a Palestinian state.

00:39:31.000 Because as long as Hamas rules the Palestinian state, we have a no-one-to-talk-to certificate, and we can say, we have no partner for peace. 0.91

00:39:39.000 It's always these little cliches, right, that you're supposed to be easy to memorize.

00:39:43.000 We have no partner for peace.

00:39:45.000 Say it with me now.

00:39:46.000 We have no partner for peace. 1.00

00:39:47.000 And that means we get to kill them all instead. 1.00

00:39:50.000 I think it's a little bit of a stretch to say because they allowed... 0.99

00:39:58.000 I think it's a stretch because you're really stripping the agency from the Palestinians. 0.98

00:40:10.000 To think the Palestinians don't support Hamas, I think you're kind of deluding yourself to think that the reason that Hamas is in power is because of the Israelis.

00:40:19.000 When they had their last election...

00:40:22.000 When they had their last election, they elected Hamas.

00:40:25.000 And I think this also speaks to some of...

00:40:28.000 Isn't it, Scott?

00:40:29.000 Right?

00:40:30.000 When they had their last election, they elected Hamas?

00:40:32.000 Well, let's zoom in a little bit.

00:40:33.000 In fact, what happened was George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice forced them to hold an election was step one.

00:40:40.000 Step two was that Hamas... 0.97

00:40:42.000 Did not win a majority in a single district anywhere in Palestine, in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip.

00:40:49.000 They won a meager plurality in the parliament in Gaza.

00:40:54.000 And then George W. Bush, Elliott Abrams, Ehud Olmert, and still Hosni Mubarak in Egypt all worked together to try to do a coup to overthrow Hamas.

00:41:11.000 And put Fatah in power. 0.52

00:41:13.000 You don't think Hamas is popular among the Gazans?

00:41:14.000 I'm just telling you the history of what happened was that they won a bare plurality, not a majority in a single district anywhere.

00:41:24.000 And this was in 2006.

00:41:26.000 You could say that of Likud in Israel too, by the way.

00:41:28.000 When half of the population of the Gaza Strip were under 18 and unable to vote anyway.

00:41:34.000 You're deluding yourself to think these people don't support Hamas, brother. 0.94

00:41:37.000 You're really deluding yourself.

00:41:38.000 I don't understand.

00:41:39.000 You don't think...

00:41:40.000 And then they did this failed coup.

00:41:43.000 There's this great article called The Gaza Bombshell.

00:41:47.000 It's in Vanity Fair by David Rose.

00:41:50.000 And it's about how Elliott Abrams, the neoconservative, had this great idea that what we'll do is a coup against Hamas and we'll put Fatah in there.

00:41:58.000 But it backfired.

00:41:59.000 And Hamas grabbed all their guns and ran Fatah out of there.

00:42:02.000 And so, no.

00:42:03.000 You're telling me, you're sitting at this table telling me the people of the Gaza Strip have popular sovereignty.

00:42:09.000 And the rule of law and that Hamas is the duly elected power in the Gaza Strip, which is nothing but an Israeli prison camp. 0.79

00:42:15.000 I know the people in Gaza support Hamas. 0.56

00:42:18.000 And even here, their supporters support Hamas.

00:42:21.000 They're the Aryan nations running a prison. 1.00

00:42:24.000 They're the Crips running the black part of a prison. 1.00

00:42:27.000 They're the Latin kings. 0.63

00:42:28.000 If you don't let the money go in, then, oh, they're in a starving prison.

00:42:32.000 You didn't let their money in.

00:42:33.000 Hey, Elad, we gotta move on.

00:42:35.000 And then you let their money in.

00:42:36.000 Oh, you're supporting and propping up Hamas. 0.93

00:42:38.000 We gotta move on.

00:42:39.000 So listen, we're gonna jump to this story.

00:42:41.000 We're gonna jump to some domestic stories here.

00:42:47.000 The Trump administration is ending Harvard's ability to enroll international students.

00:42:52.000 The BBC is reporting.

00:42:54.000 The Trump administration has moved to end Harvard's ability to enroll international students, escalating a standoff with America's oldest university.

00:43:01.000 Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem wrote on X that the administration revoked Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification as a result of their failure to adhere to the law.

00:43:11.000 Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country, she wrote on Thursday.

00:43:16.000 Harvard called the move unlawful in a statement.

00:43:20.000 We are fully committed to maintaining Harvard's ability to host our international students and scholars who hail from more than 140 countries and enrich the university and this nation immeasurably, the university responded.

00:43:31.000 We are working quickly to provide guidance and support to members of our community.

00:43:35.000 This retaliatory action threatens serious harm to the Harvard community and our country and undermines Harvard's academic and research mission.

00:43:41.000 The Trump administration's decision could affect thousands of international students who study at the university.

00:43:47.000 Over 6,700 international students Now...

00:44:07.000 I'm not 100% sure of the context of this, but I believe it's because of the failure to protect Jewish students.

00:44:17.000 Is that the argument here?

00:44:18.000 Well, that's the excuse.

00:44:19.000 That's the excuse?

00:44:20.000 I mean, this goes to, in fact, back to our original point about this assassination.

00:44:24.000 Trump tweeted out, this assassination was obviously caused by anti-Semitism.

00:44:30.000 I mean, would you buy it if anybody said that the reason you hate Trump is you just hate Dutch people?

00:44:36.000 This is not what's going on here, that we have a rise in anti-Jewishness around the country.

00:44:43.000 People are upset over what's happening.

00:44:46.000 To the Palestinians at the hands of Israeli fighter bombers.

00:44:50.000 Like I said, I legitimately think that that is, like we were discussing earlier, that's an excuse.

00:44:56.000 I think that it's, there's a lot of people that, because, yeah, because they use Gaza as an excuse, but Gaza is only in the past couple years, and this sentiment about...

00:45:06.000 You know, this anti-American sentiment, this has been going on since the George Floyd, definitely since the George Floyd riots.

00:45:12.000 If what you're saying is leftists need to protest something at all times, and this is something, and so they're protesting it, that's true.

00:45:18.000 But that doesn't mean that it's all very disingenuous.

00:45:21.000 In fact, look at how many Jewish students are leading these protests and participating in these protests.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, but it's the point, like you said, I do think the leftists, it's the leftists that are dissatisfied with their own lives.

00:45:33.000 And to be honest with you, I think a lot of it...

00:45:36.000 It's luxury beliefs, right?

00:45:37.000 The people that are upset about these situations, a lot of times they don't know what's going on.

00:45:43.000 But they're college kids, right?

00:45:45.000 Other people don't protest anyway.

00:45:47.000 There are plenty of people who are sick and tired of this, including half of Republicans are sick and tired of this and want to ceasefire a year ago.

00:45:53.000 They don't go out and protest with signs and chant only with American flags instead.

00:45:59.000 They just don't protest at all.

00:46:00.000 That's just not how they do it.

00:46:02.000 Protesting is a thing that young leftists do.

00:46:05.000 You know, there was this piece in the New York Times, I guess two days ago now, about how the Heritage Foundation had this huge plan, I guess.

00:46:14.000 Well, the New York Times made it coincide with the 2025 thing.

00:46:18.000 I don't know if that was part of it or not, but it was, I think, a separate thing at Heritage.

00:46:22.000 But the whole thing was a multi-pronged attack on all opposition to Israeli foreign policy in America.

00:46:30.000 And the whole idea is just to smear everyone as anti-Semites and Hamas supporters.

00:46:35.000 Well, I mean, that's clearly not working.

00:46:37.000 I think part of what this is about is whatever degree the national government has, or at least the executive branch has over the universities, they're doing everything they can to get the universities to stop all these protests and intervene.

00:46:52.000 And it's just the start, you know?

00:46:56.000 But the thing is, why should we have to give up any freedom whatsoever over another country's foreign policy?

00:47:02.000 Well, I mean, we don't have to give up any freedom.

00:47:04.000 This is specifically about foreign students, so that's not really...

00:47:08.000 Are the existing foreign students getting deported?

00:47:09.000 Well, but they're legal here, right?

00:47:10.000 I mean, they're not, like, illegal immigrants.

00:47:12.000 They're here.

00:47:13.000 They're abiding the rules.

00:47:14.000 Now, we've got to change the rules.

00:47:17.000 If they cross the line and criticize Israel, right?

00:47:19.000 Sounds like the existing foreign students get to stay, right? 1.00

00:47:22.000 Yeah, I don't think that it's about existing students.

00:47:24.000 I think that it's only for new admissions, yeah.

00:47:27.000 Well, this is just about, well, it's just sticking it to Harvard in this way as punishment for the previous stuff, right?

00:47:32.000 And Harvard, you know, like, look, there's a lot of things that Harvard's done that, you know, the right more broadly has an issue with.

00:47:40.000 The DEI stuff, the fact that they're, you know, not admitting...

00:47:45.000 Students that have higher scores because of their race.

00:47:48.000 These kind of things have to stop.

00:47:49.000 And I think that this particular issue, whereas this one, you know, maybe there are people that are going to make an excuse and say that it was about Gaza.

00:48:00.000 This is more about...

00:48:01.000 This is more about Harvard beefing with the administration and beefing with the people that are trying to undo what is basically ingrained in Harvard nowadays, which is the whole DEI leftist perspective.

00:48:15.000 And when the administration tries to force them to unravel this stuff, this is the pushback that Harvard is going to go.

00:48:21.000 They're going to say, oh, well, you know, look, they're messing with our liberty to do this and blah, blah, blah.

00:48:27.000 But I do think that this is more about trying to undo decades.

00:48:35.000 I find that hard to believe because there was no impetus in the first Trump administration to defund Harvard or slap them with these new rules because anti-white indoctrination was obviously already prominent in every Ivy League, every school.

00:48:54.000 I don't think that it was as obvious.

00:48:56.000 There was zero impetus to implement anything like this before.

00:48:59.000 I disagree with the idea that it was obvious, and the reason is because I think that most of your normies didn't know about it until the Black Lives Matter riots.

00:49:07.000 Most of your average people, they weren't cognizant of it until it was put right in front of their face with the slogans and the things that were being said during the...

00:49:18.000 During 2020 and the Summer of Love, and when people saw that on display like that, then people were like, wait a minute, this is actually going on.

00:49:25.000 The explanation that they're giving for this has nothing to do with that.

00:49:30.000 The explanation that they're giving for why the kids are not taking the administration?

00:49:36.000 From the explanation that you read, there's no mention of DEI or critical theory or...

00:49:44.000 Leftist indoctrination in higher education.

00:49:47.000 Like Scott was saying, the argument that's being made is, oh, it's anti-Semitism, etc.

00:49:55.000 But the ingrained opinions of the schools, this is all about the fight between the administration and Trump.

00:50:04.000 The Trump administration, the attempts of the administration to undo what's been done.

00:50:09.000 And again, where they're raping and torturing the term anti-Semitism to mean opposition to Israel killing little kids all day with our money, with our planes, our bombs, our diplomatic support, and with future dead Americans from terrorist attacks as the result.

00:50:24.000 That's not anti-Semitism. 0.96

00:50:25.000 That's the last refuge of a scoundrel is what it is.

00:50:29.000 Listen, I'm on record saying that calling these things, you know, blaming anti-Semitism, We're using anti-Semitism as an excuse to do things like cracking down on what is ostensibly freedom of speech. 0.68

00:50:42.000 That's a bad move, in my opinion.

00:50:46.000 If you're going to send away...

00:50:48.000 People that are here on visas, because they're critical of the West, America, and Israel, don't even bring up Israel.

00:50:57.000 Just the fact that they're critical of the United States is, in my opinion, enough to pull their visa.

00:51:02.000 What if all they're saying is America shouldn't be supporting Israel?

00:51:05.000 They're not just saying that, though.

00:51:06.000 I mean, even this guy that shot those two Israelis last night, he has all kinds of stuff where he's like, death to America, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:51:15.000 There was the lady who had just, like, co-authored a letter.

00:51:18.000 And they're kicking her out of the country. 1.00

00:51:18.000 Sure. 1.00

00:51:19.000 Yes.

00:51:20.000 That was all she was saying, is America shouldn't be supporting what Israel is doing. 0.90

00:51:23.000 I mean, maybe that's all that she was saying.

00:51:25.000 And maybe in that specific case, then fine.

00:51:27.000 Then I would say, okay, maybe she shouldn't be sent away.

00:51:29.000 But if you're on record having anti-American views, if you're a communist and you come to the U.S. Anti-American is a pretty broad term, too, man.

00:51:37.000 If you're a communist.

00:51:38.000 Okay, if you're a communist. 0.99

00:51:39.000 Well, hell. 0.98

00:51:40.000 Because we won't let people into the country that are communists.

00:51:43.000 If you're an avowed communist, the United States can say, no, we're not.

00:51:47.000 In fact, it's policy to say, no, we're not giving you a green card.

00:51:51.000 So if you come to the United States, you don't mention that you're a commie, and then you go ahead and start doing things with DSA or whatever leftist organizations, I think it's perfectly legitimate for the government to say, we're taking away your green card and sending you home.

00:52:05.000 Now, I don't think that they should be saying it's because of anti-Semitism, because that brings into question things that...

00:52:12.000 Normal Americans don't have any stake in, right?

00:52:16.000 You can dislike the...

00:52:17.000 You shouldn't be searching for a pretext either, you know, if that's what it's really about is protecting Israel, because that is what is going on here.

00:52:23.000 I disagree with that, but I understand what you're saying.

00:52:26.000 You're saying the leftists are going to protest no matter what, but what I'm saying is the crackdown is because they're protesting Israel.

00:52:34.000 If they're just protesting, you know...

00:52:37.000 Carbon emissions or whatever.

00:52:39.000 We would not have this kind of censorship.

00:52:41.000 So I'm saying the crackdown should come, but it shouldn't come because of Israel. 0.89

00:52:47.000 It should come because they're anti-American.

00:52:49.000 But that is why this crackdown is coming.

00:52:51.000 Because of a foreign country. 1.00

00:52:53.000 And it shouldn't be.

00:52:54.000 It should be just because they're anti-American.

00:52:56.000 During the Iraq War, foreigners and Jews were the ones most likely to oppose the war.

00:53:06.000 You know, the neoconservatives were doing it for Israel.

00:53:08.000 Most American Jews were liberals and opposed W. Bush on the thing.

00:53:11.000 But most American, like foreign-born American citizens, you know, either naturalized or legal permanent residents or whatever, they opposed the war.

00:53:20.000 All the native-born guys were like, yeah, we gotta stop Saddam from giving nukes to Osama, because that's what George Bush said.

00:53:26.000 And they were, boy, were they wrong.

00:53:28.000 They should have listened to all those terrible anti-American immigrants who knew better than them.

00:53:33.000 To your point, the immigrants... 1.00

00:53:35.000 That are actually American citizens.

00:53:37.000 If they've been naturalized or whatever, that's fine.

00:53:39.000 But if you're not a citizen, there are different standards.

00:53:43.000 Just to be clear.

00:53:44.000 I don't know the law on green cards and visas and whatever.

00:53:49.000 You're here on a student visa if you're not a citizen.

00:53:52.000 If you're a naturalized citizen, you're a citizen.

00:53:54.000 Say whatever you want.

00:53:54.000 If you're a guest, you shouldn't be able to say things.

00:53:57.000 They shouldn't put up with it.

00:53:58.000 Freedom of speech on everything is more important.

00:54:00.000 You've never lost an argument to a communist in your life, dude.

00:54:03.000 Why would we worry about that?

00:54:05.000 This is America.

00:54:06.000 Communists are no threat to this country.

00:54:08.000 If anything, they bring in some good skepticism on some foreign policy issues.

00:54:13.000 What else are they good for?

00:54:14.000 I'm not sure.

00:54:15.000 But what are they really dangerous for?

00:54:16.000 Are they going to seize control of our agriculture policy and make it worse than it already is?

00:54:20.000 Well, I mean, so I think that a lot of the left-leaning stuff, like the LGBT stuff, that's all communist, that's pushed by communists. 0.88

00:54:31.000 Well, we need total separation of school and state there. 0.58

00:54:34.000 I'm for abolishing all government subsidization control of any school on any level.

00:54:41.000 So, as just the Jewish affairs correspondent, in addition to being the White House correspondent here at TimCast, I wanted to get a tidbit in on anti-Semitism.

00:54:51.000 I know not everybody in the chat loves hearing about it, but I think it's an opportune time to talk about it.

00:54:55.000 Over the course of my lifetime, attitudes towards Jewish people in this country have become more skewed and more dangerous, frankly.

00:55:04.000 When I grew up going to Temple, there weren't security guards there, but now when I go to Temple, there's always multiple security guards.

00:55:11.000 That's almost every synagogue across the country because there have been shootings at synagogues and whatnot, and then Jewish kids go to different college campuses and their aggressive chants about euphemisms towards violence towards Jews at these college campuses where they're getting mogged, where they're saying things like, globalize the Antifada, which I believe is a call for violence against Jews, and I believe what we saw last night in Washington, D.C. Was it an anti-Semitic attack?

00:55:33.000 And it's what globalizing the so-called Antifada looks like.

00:55:35.000 I cover a lot of anti-Israel and what I think are anti-American protests.

00:55:40.000 And they chant this all the time.

00:55:43.000 And I think a lot of them know what they're saying, although many Islamists and far leftists will cover for that.

00:55:49.000 So I think that's what we should consider.

00:55:51.000 And also, why should you care?

00:55:54.000 As MAGA people, as Trump supporters, I think it's important to talk about why you guys should care.

00:55:58.000 And I think it's important to talk about...

00:56:01.000 Why is this important?

00:56:02.000 It's because in our country right now, among the far left, Israel is right-wing and white-coated. 0.85

00:56:08.000 When the far left talks about this issue, they unperson Zionists as being Nazi white supremacists, and therefore doing anything to a so-called Zionist is justified. 0.74

00:56:17.000 And many people on the far left, they're happy about civilians dying. 0.88

00:56:21.000 They're proud of it, and they're proud of all of their terrorists.

00:56:23.000 They say we won't condemn any of our martyrs, so I don't think we should be confused about...

00:56:27.000 You know, what these people's goals are. 0.98

00:56:29.000 They think all settlers deserve to be killed, frankly. 0.98

00:56:32.000 And, you know, once they're done calling all the Zionists Nazis, don't worry, they also call the MAGA people Zionists. 0.99

00:56:38.000 And they will also justify violence against you guys, like...

00:56:41.000 Many of the people online in the far left are justifying violence against so-called settlers or so-called Zionists or so-called whatever have you.

00:56:49.000 They're unpersoning these people, and eventually it will also go to the MAGA people.

00:56:54.000 MAGA people have been called Nazis for some time.

00:56:55.000 I'm just very thankful that the Trump administration is more clear-eyed on this than maybe communists or libertarians who tend to work together at many of these marches, because I know we hate...

00:57:05.000 I agree with some of what you say there.

00:57:07.000 I've met leftists who...

00:57:11.000 Leftists have influenced it.

00:57:15.000 The only legitimate target for violence is somebody who's armed.

00:57:20.000 When you're talking about political violence like this, organized groups of armed men, they're all wearing black hats or at least some dark shade of gray.

00:57:29.000 The only innocent people are the civilians. 0.82

00:57:32.000 The white hats are the civilians. 0.50

00:57:33.000 It's always wrong to kill civilians. 1.00

00:57:36.000 Almost always stupid, even if you don't have any morality. 1.00

00:57:39.000 It's almost always completely idiotic for whatever cause that you're supporting. 1.00

00:57:43.000 Like Israel, killing so many innocent civilians in Gaza right now is what has turned so many people against Israel, and in some cases on the margin, quite unfortunately, against Jews, broadly speaking, which is completely wrong and stupid. 1.00

00:57:56.000 But a lot of people are stupid. 1.00

00:57:58.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:57:59.000 It's hard for...

00:58:00.000 As a libertarian, I'm an individualist, so I'm always permanently inoculated.

00:58:06.000 To coin a phrase, sorry guys.

00:58:08.000 Against...

00:58:10.000 Collectivist identification, certainly dehumanization of any group, because I don't even believe in groups.

00:58:15.000 There are no groups.

00:58:16.000 There's just individuals.

00:58:17.000 We're born one at a time, and we got a right to live one at a time, and it's always wrong. 0.99

00:58:24.000 This guy's crazy. 0.53

00:58:25.000 And look, I've been in an argument recently with people who just say, no, if anyone even is living in Israel, never mind a settler on the West Bank on obviously what is currently trespassing on Palestinian land, but even people living in Israel. 0.97

00:58:38.000 so-called Israel proper, that it's all illegal trespassing and settlement, and those people are fair game. 1.00

00:58:45.000 And I got in a big argument about that with some people actually recently because there.

00:58:50.000 it's a pretty obvious sliding scale from white to black about who's a legitimate target and who is not a legitimate target.

00:58:58.000 In fact, if you look, and this was part of my argument. 0.99

00:59:01.000 Look at how absolutely idiotic and horrible what Hamas did on October 7th was for their own cause. 0.93

00:59:09.000 You got a huge cottage industry of people who think that Israel deliberately let it happen just because it served the Palestinians' cause so horribly that they thought that Netanyahu must have let it happen on purpose just so he could get away with doing what he's doing. 0.99

00:59:25.000 That is how horrible the reaction is from Hamas going outside and killing civilians.

00:59:30.000 But just think of the counterfactual.

00:59:32.000 And Hamas is not quite Al-Qaeda.

00:59:34.000 You know, they've killed Al-Qaeda guys before.

00:59:37.000 They're like one click more civilized than the bin Ladenites. 1.00

00:59:41.000 They could have.

00:59:43.000 And they have tight operational control of their armed forces, too.

00:59:46.000 They could have sealed the fence behind them and made sure no strangers are coming, only their guys.

00:59:52.000 And they could have walked around.

00:59:54.000 They could have driven right past that rave.

00:59:57.000 They could have stopped and danced and then moved right on.

00:59:59.000 They could have driven right past the kibbutzes and then gone straight to the military base and fought. 0.99

01:00:05.000 Grabbed some captives and done their thing and then, you know, they probably wouldn't have gotten any credit for that.

01:00:11.000 But they certainly would have not gotten the reaction that they got for killing innocent women and children and that thing.

01:00:18.000 And just absolutely destroying their own credibility to the 10th degree.

01:00:22.000 We're going to jump to this story.

01:00:23.000 The FTC has launched a probe of far-left group Media Matters over allegations of advertiser collusion against...

01:00:32.000 The FTC has reportedly launched an investigation into the far left advocacy group Media Matters for America over its activism targeted tech billionaire Elon Musk's ex.

01:00:45.000 The New York Times reported Wednesday that the FTC had sent a letter to media matters inquiring about whether it had illegally colluded with advertisers in order to harm Musk's social media platform.

01:00:56.000 Media matters for America did not immediately respond to Fox News Digital's request for comment.

01:01:01.000 A spokesperson for the FTC declined to comment.

01:01:05.000 In 2023, major advertisers including IBM, Apple, Disney, Lionsgate, and Paramount fled X after Media Matters published a report alleging their ads were appearing alongside anti-Semitic content.

01:01:16.000 However, Musk filed a lawsuit against the liberal group alleging it completely misrepresented the real user experience in order to mislead advertisers and manipulated the algorithms that curate users' feeds to get racist, incendiary content to appear next to large advertisers' paid posts.

01:01:37.000 If you were a user of X at the time, so this is in 2023, so this is just, say, two and a half years ago or so, I didn't see any kind of advertisements alongside anti-Semitic material.

01:01:55.000 In fact, at the time, there wasn't...

01:01:59.000 A whole lot of anti-Semitic material on X, to be honest with you, because they were still kind of in the habit.

01:02:04.000 Well, maybe word hadn't really gotten out about how the policies at X were, because they weren't kicking people off a lot.

01:02:16.000 And to be honest with you, I think that a lot of the anti-Semitism that...

01:02:20.000 You see nowadays is, like we've been saying, is in response to the October 7th attacks.

01:02:25.000 Yeah, and the aftermath of that.

01:02:27.000 Sure.

01:02:27.000 Yeah, the consequence of that.

01:02:29.000 And, you know, I don't know exactly how this works, but, you know, I think they probably already had, like, even before he bought it, the algorithms were already set where things that have, like...

01:02:43.000 You know, the kind of offensive speech that a bot can recognize, it's going to keep that away from their major advertiser anyway, right?

01:02:50.000 They wanted to have it like that.

01:02:51.000 Because I can't recall ever seeing, you know, I can recall seeing a lot of mean-spirited things on X, but I can't ever recall seeing them just adjacent to an IBM ad.

01:03:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:03.000 I don't think that was ever really a thing. 1.00

01:03:05.000 I hope he kicks their ass. 1.00

01:03:06.000 I hate media matters. 1.00

01:03:07.000 Oh, they're the worst, dude. 1.00

01:03:07.000 They're garbage. 1.00

01:03:09.000 That Brock, what's his name? 1.00

01:03:12.000 I forgot his first name.

01:03:13.000 I don't know.

01:03:14.000 He used to be a right-wing hatchet man, and then he turned into the— Oh, really?

01:03:17.000 Yeah, like in the 1990s.

01:03:19.000 He was one of these guys always flinging the flimsiest kind of accusations at Bill Clinton.

01:03:24.000 Oh, okay, yeah.

01:03:25.000 Like getting in my way when I'm trying to really get at the guy. 0.94

01:03:29.000 And then he turned into this ridiculous Hillary-ite hack of the worst order.

01:03:34.000 We've got a piece of media here from Laura Ingram, so let's see what she says. 0.72

01:03:38.000 All right, joining me now is former Trump acting attorney general Matt Whitaker.

01:03:41.000 Matt, you can— You called this lawsuit revolutionary.

01:03:44.000 Now, aside from its relative novelty, does it have a chance?

01:03:50.000 Yeah, and it does, and it's good to be with you, Laura.

01:03:52.000 And here's my analysis as I looked at this complaint.

01:03:54.000 First of all, Media Matters just manufactured this evidence.

01:04:00.000 They created a way that only their unique account would be served these couple ads, and then they suggested that this is par for the course.

01:04:10.000 And we know, based on everyone on the X platform knows, that this is not par for the course.

01:04:16.000 But what is so important is that Elon Musk...

01:04:23.000 I think that, to me, is the most important thing, because for so long, conservatives have been deplatformed, demonetized, and otherwise assaulted by these left-wing groups and the mainstream media that gives them oxygen.

01:04:42.000 And no one has been willing to go to court and actually...

01:04:45.000 Pursue their rights.

01:04:46.000 And so I think this is a big deal for somebody to invest money in the court and in lawyers to actually go after groups like Media Matters.

01:04:55.000 Well, you never see Media Matters upset that there are people posting on these social media platforms that call themselves minor-attracted persons, right?

01:05:06.000 They're attracted to minors.

01:05:08.000 Oh, they're not pedophiles, but they're attracted to minors.

01:05:11.000 I mean, so they don't have any problems.

01:05:13.000 Thank you so much.

01:05:13.000 Great to see you.

01:05:14.000 All right, enough, Laura.

01:05:16.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:05:17.000 Without going on that tangent about liberals and their euphemisms, wasn't there a story...

01:05:24.000 Wasn't there a story that was kind of adjacent to the Twitter files that was about this consortium of advertisers?

01:05:32.000 They kind of had the ads that would be embedded on all different kinds of websites, and then they had this blacklist that was going around of, I think it was people who were good on Russiagay and or good on COVID, were getting blacklisted in this way.

01:05:45.000 And I guess, I just wonder whether anybody's suing over that.

01:05:47.000 I mean, Elon Musk has the lawyers.

01:05:49.000 But what about, like, because what it was, was it was like, The blacklist was making it where it was really precluding new people, too.

01:05:58.000 Like, if you're not grandfathered in, kind of, they could just exclude everybody from all this web ad revenue.

01:06:06.000 They gave a leg up to all the people they wanted to support.

01:06:10.000 Yeah, I mean, it was a really weird time.

01:06:11.000 There's always been some kind of, you know, collusion between, or at least in the past 10 years, for the majority of it, for the better part of the past 10 years, there was some kind of collusion between the, you know, the estate.

01:06:28.000 Or the government and what was being put onto these websites.

01:06:32.000 But this particular issue where it's media matters colluding with, well, essentially trying to do what they can to basically produce a scandal to try and harm.

01:06:46.000 Right.

01:06:47.000 Ex-monetarily.

01:06:48.000 Like, that's something that, you know, obviously I don't put it past media matters.

01:06:52.000 That's something that fits right in their kind of smear merchant wheelhouse.

01:06:58.000 But I don't know that this is actually going to produce...

01:07:06.000 The kind of results that I'm hoping for.

01:07:08.000 I mean, I would love to see Media Matters be put out of business.

01:07:11.000 But I don't know that even Elon Musk is going to be able to produce that kind of result.

01:07:18.000 Do you have any thoughts on this, Mary?

01:07:21.000 Oh, it just reminds me of the YouTube adpocalypse.

01:07:25.000 Which was like ancient history now in internet years.

01:07:30.000 But that was back in...

01:07:31.000 It started in late 2016, and then there was a second wave of ad boycotts in early 2017.

01:07:38.000 And I forgot what prompted it.

01:07:42.000 It says that it was PewDiePie's fault.

01:07:44.000 Yeah.

01:07:46.000 Was it the bridge incident?

01:07:49.000 No, it wasn't.

01:07:50.000 It wasn't the bridge incident in and of itself because it says this was in February 2017.

01:07:56.000 PewDiePie was under fire for posting videos that YouTube deemed anti-Semitic and hate speech, including jokes about Adolf Hitler and other things that I can't say out loud.

01:08:08.000 Another example that I cannot say out loud on YouTube.

01:08:11.000 And that led to the UK government, Coca-Cola, Dr. Pepper, Johnson& Johnson, and many other major brands pulling or pausing their advertisements on YouTube.

01:08:23.000 So as a result...

01:08:24.000 YouTube freaked out, and that's when they started cracking down on all content that was even geared toward an adult audience, let alone violating any community guidelines.

01:08:36.000 So you couldn't even make controversial content at that point, which I was watching right-wing or right-leaning or even libertarian YouTubers at the time who were getting their channels completely demonetized.

01:08:49.000 And then it affected everyone else as well, like apolitical entertainers.

01:08:53.000 Had their ad revenue docked in a major way and it was no longer able to be a source for their livelihood.

01:09:01.000 They got a hell of a monopoly with that YouTube.

01:09:04.000 They really do.

01:09:05.000 That's why platforms like Rumble are so important.

01:09:09.000 So you should become a member of the Rumble.

01:09:12.000 I saw one on YouTube where...

01:09:15.000 You could have written a short story about this or something.

01:09:18.000 The guy's a real history professor from the University of Science or whatever.

01:09:22.000 He's telling a story about how Hitler censored the book All Quiet on the Western Front.

01:09:31.000 In the thing, I don't know what's going to happen to this YouTube later for me saying this.

01:09:35.000 In this thing, you can tell he's completely exasperated.

01:09:39.000 He goes, this is the sixth time I've uploaded this video.

01:09:42.000 So here's what happened.

01:09:44.000 The bad mustache man took over the Yahtzee party, and then he went and he did the bad thing to certain individuals of Jewish descent.

01:09:56.000 And he just has to jump through these insane...

01:10:00.000 And it's like, who's, what algorithm is inventing this new speak that we all have to, oh, the mean mustache man, he unalived many people of the, and it's like, dude, why can't, you can't talk about, you can't be a historian from a professor at a university and talk about Hitler censoring a An anti-war book?

01:10:21.000 What in the world?

01:10:23.000 I'm not going to get specific about it.

01:10:24.000 The algorithm says so, right?

01:10:25.000 There's no person in charge.

01:10:27.000 It's a bot that gets to decide.

01:10:29.000 I mean, at the time when this censorship kind of was becoming something that these corporations wanted to do, AI is still very new.

01:10:41.000 And so these algorithms, they're not...

01:10:44.000 And I don't even think that an algorithm could properly do it now.

01:10:47.000 It would...

01:10:48.000 You know, get a lot of things that aren't necessary to be censored anyways.

01:10:55.000 But, you know, 10 years ago, when the apocalypse happened, they were just babies.

01:11:01.000 This technology was new, and so, like, they were getting all kinds of erroneous hits and stuff.

01:11:08.000 But even still, like, last night, there was a piece of news that came out that I'm not going to get into it, but it was regarding the A Senate hearing about COVID and some of the vaccinations, and we couldn't talk about it because what the actual news was still might be something that would flag us here on YouTube because YouTube still is very finicky about what you're allowed to and not to say.

01:11:38.000 And how do you even test it and know what the lines are?

01:11:40.000 They never even say what the lines are.

01:11:42.000 Right after the Russia-Ukraine war started in 22, It was an email that went out from Google that said, you better watch out.

01:11:52.000 We're going to demonetize anyone who says anything that implies that, you know, whatever, the way that they phrased it, that Ukraine in any way had anything to do with why Russia would have invaded them. 1.00

01:12:04.000 And we'll kick your ass. 0.99

01:12:05.000 And like Google is, they're the kings of the world, right? 1.00

01:12:08.000 They run the world.

01:12:09.000 If you can't, if Google can censor you, you're done.

01:12:12.000 Yeah.

01:12:13.000 You know, but in this context, I do think that it's worth You know, worth the, at least worth the lawsuit because of, you know, the collusion, well not collusion, but the efforts of Media Matter, because it was totally politically motivated, right?

01:12:27.000 Like, Elon Musk bought X Media Matters because they're far leftists.

01:12:33.000 They're, you know, they're about as far left as you can get and still be considered mainstream, I think is probably a fair way to say it.

01:12:41.000 Okay.

01:12:42.000 You know, they're...

01:12:43.000 Without becoming tankies, I'm sure that they have people that work there that are far enough left that are like, well, you know, it's okay.

01:12:51.000 The stuff that Luigi Mangione does, considering people like Taylor Lorenz say that, and she's made those kind of remarks.

01:12:57.000 And so if Taylor Lorenz makes that remark, I'm sure there are people there that would agree with her.

01:13:02.000 But overall, the organization as a whole is probably as far left as you can get without falling into the bin of crazy.

01:13:13.000 Their one and only mission being defend the Democratic Party and its power.

01:13:18.000 I mean, that's what they're really about.

01:13:20.000 They're not ideology first.

01:13:21.000 They are servants of the Democratic Party.

01:13:23.000 That is their one and only mission.

01:13:25.000 All right.

01:13:25.000 Well, okay.

01:13:26.000 So take that for what it's worth.

01:13:29.000 The fact that they were working against Elon Musk specifically because he didn't parrot their preferred politics.

01:13:39.000 Well, they have to cheat.

01:13:40.000 Remember how Twitter was before Elon Musk?

01:13:43.000 Absolutely.

01:13:44.000 I just kind of block it out like trauma-based, like don't want to think about it.

01:13:47.000 Man, it was horrible.

01:13:48.000 It was horrible.

01:13:49.000 It was really, really rough.

01:13:50.000 And they knew how bad it was that they were losing it.

01:13:53.000 They knew what a hit that was going to be.

01:13:56.000 But that was...

01:13:57.000 Not just because they're losing the ability to control what people are saying, but the ability to build narratives.

01:14:05.000 They could use X and people on X to repost and retweet and make one piece of media seem like it had all kinds of reach that organically it didn't.

01:14:18.000 Do you ever read John Robb?

01:14:21.000 He writes Global Gorillas.

01:14:24.000 I think I follow him.

01:14:25.000 Yeah, he's a good dude.

01:14:26.000 Like, his expertise, he started out tracking jihadis in Iraq War II.

01:14:30.000 Okay.

01:14:31.000 And then so he became like an expert on link analysis and...

01:14:36.000 Network swarms.

01:14:37.000 Yeah, ROBB, right?

01:14:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:38.000 The Global Gorilla Report.

01:14:40.000 Yeah, I follow him.

01:14:41.000 So he has brilliant stuff, and it's all about the network swarms online and how they're formed and how they work and how old liberal Twitter swarm used to work and how it's changed under Elon Musk and all kinds of stuff.

01:14:57.000 He's got all kinds of insightful stuff.

01:14:58.000 His one today is about how the Israelis just can't seem to get their act together when it comes to their messaging. 0.80

01:15:05.000 They're being absolutely demolished in the battle of public opinion. 0.99

01:15:11.000 It's mostly because they're in the wrong, but it's also because their arguments suck. 0.97

01:15:15.000 So and they can't adapt to the new form. 0.56

01:15:20.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:15:24.000 I don't know.

01:15:25.000 I mean, I'm not going to speak to that.

01:15:26.000 He's a really bright guy.

01:15:27.000 I do follow John.

01:15:28.000 I like the stuff that he talks about.

01:15:31.000 But I think we're going to move on to, let's see, what do we got?

01:15:36.000 This particular, I think this is actually really important.

01:15:40.000 We were posting, there's a Reuters report, Trump to sign orders to boost nuclear power as soon as Friday, sources say.

01:15:50.000 Reuters reports, U.S. President Donald Trump will sign executive orders as soon as Friday that aim to jumpstart the nuclear energy industry by easing the regulatory process on approvals for new reactors and strengthening fuel supply chains, four sources familiar said.

01:16:05.000 Facing the first rise in power demand in two decades from the boom of artificial intelligence, Trump declared an energy emergency on his first day in office.

01:16:14.000 Chris Wright, the energy secretary, said that the race to develop power sources and data centers needed for AI's Manhattan Project 2, referring to the massive U.S. program during World War II to develop atomic bombs.

01:16:25.000 A draft summary of the order said Trump will invoke the Cold War-era Defense Production Act to declare a national emergency over U.S. dependence on Russia and China for enriched uranium, nuclear fuel processing, and advanced reactor inputs.

01:16:39.000 The summary also directs agencies to permit and site new nuclear facilities and directs the Departments of Energy and Defense to identify federal lands and facilities for nuclear deployment and to streamline processes to get them built.

01:17:09.000 They're using coal-fired plants.

01:17:10.000 They just built the Three Gorges Dam.

01:17:12.000 They have plans for an even bigger dam that is reported to be able to...

01:17:17.000 To power an area the size of Germany, with a population of Germany. 0.67

01:17:23.000 They've increased nuclear power.

01:17:25.000 So they're really taking the power consumption demands of AI very seriously.

01:17:30.000 And if you listen to tech bros in Silicon Valley, one of the things that they say is, if we don't get, or that they talk about regularly, if we don't get our ability to produce power up to snuff fast, then there's no way.

01:17:47.000 We're going to be able to compete with, not even win, but compete with China because all AI is so power-intensive.

01:17:55.000 It takes a lot of juice to run these GPUs.

01:17:59.000 To what end, though?

01:18:00.000 Well, I don't know a whole bunch about...

01:18:04.000 But if it is the technology of the future, you imagine...

01:18:08.000 So, I mean, right now...

01:18:09.000 By the way, when you said Chinese and nuclear, you remind me. 0.95

01:18:12.000 I screwed up earlier.

01:18:13.000 It wasn't Eisenhower.

01:18:14.000 It was Truman who decided not to attack the Soviet Union before they got atom bombs.

01:18:18.000 Oh, yes.

01:18:19.000 I don't know what I was thinking.

01:18:20.000 That's okay.

01:18:20.000 Sorry about that.

01:18:21.000 Everybody misspeaks.

01:18:23.000 But yeah, the amount of energy that AI takes is insane.

01:18:27.000 And, like, right now, like, X has got...

01:18:31.000 Tesla has all of the information that all your Tesla cars report back to X and give them their telemetry and give them their experiences, so they use that to model AI.

01:18:41.000 And you know that the Optimus robot is going to need significant AI in order to train it.

01:18:48.000 And if Musk is right, he's talking about 10 million Optimus robots, I think, by 2030 out in the world.

01:19:00.000 Now, it takes a lot of compute to train them, but once you train one robot, that's training all of them, because then it's just a download after that.

01:19:09.000 So I saw an interview of Musk today.

01:19:11.000 He was talking.

01:19:12.000 He's like, look, all you do is you train a robot like you train kids, basically.

01:19:16.000 You put an optimist in a room and you give it toys to play with.

01:19:20.000 Like literally like the squares to put through the square hole and the star to put through the star hole.

01:19:25.000 And that's how you train it to be able to function in the real world.

01:19:29.000 And nowadays, because nowadays the way they train it is they have people put on a suit and a mask that can see and they'll...

01:19:37.000 Do, you know, activities, whatever it is.

01:19:40.000 That's why you see the Optimus robots that can dance.

01:19:42.000 They're pre-programmed to dance like that.

01:19:44.000 So there's someone that actually did that dance.

01:19:46.000 They motion capture and then they've just transferred that to the Optimus and it can do it.

01:19:51.000 But to have an autonomous robot that they can actually sell as basically, you know, a servant inside your house, it has to be able to...

01:20:02.000 You know, it has to be able to manage your house, not just the house that they saw, but it has to be able to manage a house that it's never been in.

01:20:09.000 Get into the house, learn the house, and go up and down the stairs, or whatever.

01:20:14.000 Go see the robot.

01:20:15.000 Exactly, and that's the thing that Musk is talking about, and that takes a lot of compute power.

01:20:19.000 And right now, the U.S. just doesn't have the kind of energy production necessary.

01:20:25.000 China does, or China's at least making serious attempts to do it.

01:20:29.000 But even something...

01:20:30.000 It's crazy.

01:20:31.000 The thing is, if I say to you, okay, man, we're going to repeal all the regulations that are preventing this from happening right now.

01:20:37.000 Well, which regulations?

01:20:38.000 Because I'd be the first to bet that... 1.00

01:20:40.000 Probably 80% of them are stupid and redundant and irrelevant and hamstring proper efforts. 0.99

01:20:48.000 On the other hand, if they're going to get rid of them, I guess I'd be willing to bet 80% that they would get rid of the wrong ones, the ones that actually keep Mr. Burns from irradiating us all. 0.99

01:20:59.000 That means you just have to get rid of all of them.

01:21:01.000 But look, engineers are badass.

01:21:03.000 I don't put it past them.

01:21:04.000 They can do it.

01:21:06.000 You know, assuming the checks and balances are there to, you know, keep everything inspected and safe, then I say go for it.

01:21:13.000 We were talking about a little bit before we went on about how, I don't know a lot about this, but I've heard tell over the years from different sources and read a little bit here and there about how at least claims that for all the nuclear waste in the country right now.

01:21:26.000 It could all be refined further and further and further in various steps to the point where it's completely inert and harmless.

01:21:33.000 We get all that energy out of it and we're left with no dangerous waste at all.

01:21:37.000 And the first time I heard about this and the second time I heard about this, they both said the same thing.

01:21:42.000 Jimmy Carter ruined it because he signed all these executive orders saying you're not allowed to transport the stuff around.

01:21:47.000 But there's only one or two facilities that can handle this process.

01:21:51.000 But you're not allowed to move anything from here to there.

01:21:55.000 But, of course, you could just build more of those reactors.

01:21:57.000 I'm sure there's more regulations preventing those kinds of reactors from being built, too.

01:22:01.000 There haven't been a new reactor building.

01:22:02.000 This could be done right, apparently.

01:22:04.000 Absolutely.

01:22:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:05.000 I mean, look, if you look at, like, Germany and France, right?

01:22:08.000 Germany decided not to build nuclear reactors.

01:22:10.000 France decided that they were going to be building nuclear reactors.

01:22:14.000 Germany ended up buying LP and energy production from Russia.

01:22:21.000 After they were sanctioned.

01:22:23.000 Probably Texas, yeah.

01:22:23.000 In Texas.

01:22:24.000 I imagine so.

01:22:25.000 But France, and they still had energy problems.

01:22:29.000 They still had rolling blackets, if I understand correctly.

01:22:31.000 France doesn't, because they have the ability to generate electricity, because they decided to use nuclear.

01:22:37.000 There hasn't been a problem in France when it comes to nuclear energy.

01:22:43.000 Hey, can I ask a question for the chat room?

01:22:45.000 I bet you there's some engineers in there and stuff.

01:22:47.000 I had read years ago about someone was just ridiculing the idea that we use nuclear.

01:22:55.000 To heat water to make steam and turn a piston.

01:22:59.000 Are you kidding me?

01:23:00.000 No way.

01:23:02.000 Yeah, what this guy said was you could get rid of all those steps and go from nuclear straight to electricity.

01:23:07.000 The physics are there.

01:23:08.000 If you know what you're doing, they could have done it years ago.

01:23:11.000 They could do it now.

01:23:12.000 I wonder if that's nonsense.

01:23:14.000 All right, chat.

01:23:14.000 I don't have a good footnote for that, but I read about it.

01:23:17.000 Is there anybody in chat that knows about that?

01:23:19.000 Does anybody know?

01:23:20.000 Is that a thing?

01:23:21.000 Because what about that?

01:23:22.000 If you just go from nuclear straight, forget heat, and just go straight to electricity.

01:23:26.000 You just change nuclear fuel into electricity without the steam engine part.

01:23:30.000 What do you guys know?

01:23:33.000 It does seem silly, doesn't it?

01:23:35.000 Splitting atoms to generate steam like it's still the 19th century?

01:23:39.000 There's got to be a better way, man.

01:23:41.000 200-year-old technology, but you're just using a high-tech firecracker.

01:23:47.000 But on the topic of AI, this right here, just so people get a sense, this is AI.

01:23:53.000 Check this out.

01:23:55.000 So I went to the zoo the other day, and all they had was one dog. 1.00

01:23:59.000 It was a shit zoo. 1.00

01:24:02.000 I mean, obviously it's a terrible joke. 1.00

01:24:04.000 So I went to the zoo the other day, and all they had was one dog.

01:24:08.000 It was a Shih Tzu.

01:24:09.000 Rightly, but these are AI. 0.98

01:24:11.000 I want no bullshit. 0.92

01:24:12.000 You stay on my six at all times. 0.99

01:24:17.000 When they shoot the guns in this, they're not touching the trigger.

01:24:20.000 Yeah, well, I mean, there are still tells.

01:24:23.000 You know, like, 20 gigantic dudes getting out of that little van is kind of...

01:24:28.000 The guy is just looking straight at the camera.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, you know.

01:24:31.000 It is getting better.

01:24:33.000 What the hell happened here?

01:24:33.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:24:34.000 Where are the bodies?

01:24:35.000 It's pretty amazing.

01:24:37.000 Party boards.

01:24:38.000 I'll be interested when they make a wrong call.

01:24:41.000 How long are you going to be before you just can't believe anything you see anymore?

01:24:45.000 That's already happened to me.

01:24:46.000 At this point, next year.

01:24:49.000 Yeah.

01:24:50.000 We already see what we want anyway.

01:24:51.000 We don't need fake pictures for that.

01:24:53.000 I'm seeing a bunch of fake Theo Vaughn I did an AI version of my voice because I thought I would try to cheat and do the audiobook of this without trying.

01:25:18.000 And there's no way.

01:25:19.000 I listened to it like it read back one paragraph.

01:25:23.000 And it's terrible because, of course, it doesn't understand anything.

01:25:27.000 It doesn't know what it's talking about.

01:25:29.000 So it has no idea how any inflection should be, how any enunciation should be at all.

01:25:35.000 It's just reading words.

01:25:36.000 It'll call...

01:25:38.000 You know, tear, tear.

01:25:40.000 Because it can't understand the context clue in the middle of the word of how to say it.

01:25:44.000 And so the idea of doing an audiobook like that, forget it.

01:25:47.000 It'd be complete disaster.

01:25:49.000 For now.

01:25:49.000 Yeah, I guess for now.

01:25:51.000 But no, I'm not so sure about that.

01:25:53.000 I think this is what it all comes down to, right?

01:25:58.000 It's only like, to me, almost a magical belief that at some point these algorithms will be sophisticated enough that it's essentially mimics or is even smarter than humans.

01:26:08.000 I mean, man, the acceleration is crazy.

01:26:09.000 Truly more intelligent than humans.

01:26:10.000 I don't buy it.

01:26:12.000 Step on the pedal and you are there.

01:26:14.000 You know, What they do is they approximate what someone would say to you if they were talking to you.

01:26:20.000 It's just a chat bot, basically. 0.98

01:26:25.000 I mean, I deal with Grok and with OpenAI, whatever it's called, the ChatGPT4 thing, and they suck. 0.99

01:26:30.000 They're terrible. 0.99

01:26:31.000 They make up lies all the time. 0.73

01:26:33.000 I'll ask them, hey, man, what was the thing that they tortured out of Abu Zubaydah again about the thing?

01:26:38.000 And then they'll tell me, oh, yeah, it's on page 43, and it says this quote, and it's completely made up.

01:26:42.000 It doesn't exist anywhere in the world.

01:26:44.000 They do it all the time.

01:26:46.000 They do.

01:26:47.000 And so I just don't put too much stock in it.

01:26:50.000 They can have data, but they can't have knowledge.

01:26:52.000 They can't really think or understand.

01:26:54.000 Understand what something means in a way that a person can, right?

01:26:59.000 What's up?

01:26:59.000 I already showed them that.

01:27:00.000 Oh, okay.

01:27:01.000 Yeah, I mean, so I wanted Scott to check out this one, though.

01:27:04.000 But, like, look at this.

01:27:05.000 I mean, man, the acceleration is crazy.

01:27:08.000 You look far, step on the pedal, and you are there.

01:27:13.000 I feel safe with him in an SUV, and it seems to be...

01:27:17.000 Like, the right type of car for him.

01:27:18.000 I think the range is only going to get better.

01:27:23.000 Sorry.

01:27:25.000 We don't want to drive gas cars anymore.

01:27:27.000 Yeah, no more gas cars.

01:27:28.000 This is all fake.

01:27:30.000 100%, huh?

01:27:31.000 You can see, I'm kind of a misfit here, but don't tell anyone.

01:27:36.000 I've just bought an electric car.

01:27:38.000 I think it's really great for families and for little babies.

01:27:41.000 I mean, if you know that's what you're looking at or maybe what you're looking for.

01:27:46.000 But otherwise, I could be fooled by that.

01:27:49.000 Oh, I could be fooled.

01:27:49.000 Yeah, like, if I didn't know, if I went on the hunt for AI, and you were just showing me a video of some people talking, I don't know.

01:27:57.000 But yeah, I mean, that's enough to get me right there, I think.

01:27:59.000 Bro, I think that's, like, I feel like that's generational, because it doesn't get me at all.

01:28:02.000 I agree, and that's why you gotta watch out for these Facebook scams, where they're, like, really obvious AI-generated images being used to scam a bunch of grandparents out of their money, showing, like...

01:28:15.000 Injured children or people with disabilities or like veterans, random heart, like just things that tug at old people's heartstrings and then, you know, they end up in some kind of, they get funneled into a conversation with like an Indian scammer or whatever. 0.78

01:28:31.000 It ends up, you know, wire transferring all their money.

01:28:36.000 And that's a generational thing.

01:28:37.000 They just don't have the same ability to differentiate.

01:28:40.000 But eventually we're all going to feel like Facebook boomers, aren't we?

01:28:44.000 I think that yes.

01:28:46.000 I'm going to get scammed.

01:28:49.000 You know, but, you know, back to the story that set this all off.

01:28:53.000 I think that most people should be, you know, should have a positive opinion on nuclear energy.

01:29:01.000 I mean, there's been nuclear power generated all over the world in many, many countries for 40, 50 years.

01:29:15.000 Accidents, and only one of them was really bad, and only one of them was because of human error.

01:29:23.000 I mean, Three Mile Island was an accident, but that didn't turn into a catastrophe.

01:29:28.000 Obviously, Chernobyl was a catastrophe, but a lot of the reason why Chernobyl was a catastrophe was because it was a communist country. 0.99

01:29:35.000 Oh, and it was a government official.

01:29:37.000 My friend Gordon Prather used to make nuclear bombs or test them.

01:29:41.000 Real expert on all this stuff.

01:29:43.000 And he talked about, I'm almost certain this is where I got this from.

01:29:47.000 Yeah.

01:29:48.000 That what happened was the inspector came and some alarm was going off.

01:29:54.000 And he's like, turn off that alarm!

01:29:56.000 And they just like, oh, I guess we better do what he says, guys.

01:30:00.000 And I guess what it was was they didn't just turn off the alarm.

01:30:04.000 They turned off the thing that was causing the alarm to go off.

01:30:06.000 But then by doing that, it said about this chain reaction.

01:30:10.000 And so if the inspector had just stayed home that day, the guys running the plant were doing fine.

01:30:15.000 They would have been fine.

01:30:16.000 And then there's Fukushima, which a 9.0 earthquake in Japan is what caused...

01:30:24.000 The tsunami.

01:30:25.000 And it wasn't even the earthquake, as we were talking about earlier.

01:30:28.000 It wasn't even the earthquake that caused the problem.

01:30:29.000 It was the tsunami that caused the issue.

01:30:32.000 And how bad is it now?

01:30:33.000 Do you know?

01:30:33.000 There is still some kind of exclusion zone.

01:30:36.000 But remember when it happened, everyone was like, oh, it's going to irradiate the whole Pacific Ocean.

01:30:40.000 And everyone's talking about there's going to be two-headed fish in the Pacific coming to California and blah, blah, blah.

01:30:47.000 None of that happened.

01:30:48.000 I think that the concerns about nuclear radiation are very overblown.

01:30:54.000 And this is something we were talking about earlier, too.

01:30:56.000 It was my sense for a long time that nuclear waste was some kind of liquid.

01:31:04.000 Neon green sludge.

01:31:06.000 From the Simpsons.

01:31:07.000 It was because, yeah, it's the Simpsons or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

01:31:10.000 But it's not that.

01:31:12.000 I've learned recently, actually, that it's literally metal bars.

01:31:16.000 That are, you know, encased in concrete and there's never been, encased in concrete and then encased in a steel, you know, cylinder.

01:31:24.000 There's never been one of those steel cylinders that broke ever.

01:31:28.000 There was a truck transporting them one time and they got into an accident and they got knocked off the truck and they were perfectly fine and intact because it's literally just a steel cylinder.

01:31:39.000 With concrete inside of it.

01:31:40.000 And even if it broke open, it's not like it spills out everywhere.

01:31:44.000 It's like, yes, there's radiation and you don't want to go near them, but you could literally have a truck pick it up and put it into a container and it's not the way that most people kind of intuit that it is.

01:32:00.000 This kind of, the kind of fear of nuclear power and nuclear stuff.

01:32:05.000 Especially in this day and age.

01:32:06.000 We ought to be able to not even have that waste to deal with.

01:32:08.000 We ought to be able to figure out how to use all that waste until it's gone.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, so.

01:32:13.000 Alright, we're going to hit one more story, which is an absolute horrible way to end the show.

01:32:21.000 Especially because someone I knew happened to pass away.

01:32:28.000 Yeah, the AP is reporting a music talent agency says three employees died on a plane that crashed into a San Diego neighborhood.

01:32:36.000 The music agency Sound Talent Group said Thursday that three of its employees, including co-founder Dave Shapiro, died on the private plane that crashed into a San Diego neighborhood.

01:32:46.000 Shapiro is listed as the owner of the plane and has a pilot's license, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

01:32:52.000 Shapiro also owned a flight school called Velocity Aviation and a record label, Velocity Records, according to his LinkedIn page.

01:32:58.000 The agency didn't share the names of the other two employees who died.

01:33:01.000 We're devastated by the loss of our co-founder, colleagues, and friends.

01:33:05.000 Our hearts go out to their families and everyone impacted by today's tragedy, the agency said in a statement.

01:33:10.000 A sound talent group has represented artists including Hanson, Sum 41, and Vanessa Carlton.

01:33:14.000 San Diego authorities said two people had died.

01:33:18.000 The total number of fatalities is unknown, but six people were on board the plane, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

01:33:23.000 The private jet crashed early Thursday into a neighborhood of U.S. Navy-owned housing in San Diego during foggy weather, igniting at least one home and numerous vehicles parked on the street.

01:33:32.000 The plane clipped power lines before slamming into the house, said Elliott Simpson with the National Transportation Safety Board.

01:33:39.000 And the person that passed away that I knew was the drummer of The Devil Wears Prada.

01:33:46.000 All That Remains toured with these guys and have done a bunch of shows with them.

01:33:50.000 He wasn't currently in the band, but he was in the band when we toured with him.

01:33:57.000 So I didn't know him super well.

01:34:01.000 We weren't going to each other's houses on holidays and stuff, but I knew him.

01:34:08.000 It's always, you know, a weird kind of thing when it's like, oh, someone that I knew has not only passed away, but they're in the news, you know?

01:34:15.000 It was like a...

01:34:17.000 Feels weirdly impersonal.

01:34:18.000 Yeah, you know?

01:34:20.000 So the Daily Mail says, a famous drummer has died in a private jet crash that killed at least two people hours after he shared a photo of himself at the controls.

01:34:29.000 Dan Williams, formerly of hugely popular Christian metalcore band The Devil Wears Prada, filmed himself boarding the Cessna 550 at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey late Wednesday night.

01:34:39.000 The drummer, 39, also shared pictures of him at the controls of the small aircraft and said he was the co-pilot now.

01:34:44.000 It's unclear if he was joking.

01:34:45.000 An eerie final post showed him at the plane's control with the caption, here we go.

01:34:50.000 The plane tail number of N666DS took off from the Teterboro Airport on Wednesday at 11.15, tracking data reveals.

01:34:57.000 It stopped for fuel in Wichita, Kansas, before continuing on to California, where the Cessna ultimately crashed in a quiet military neighborhood in San Diego, close to its intended final destination of Montgomery Gibbs Executive Airport.

01:35:10.000 So, yeah.

01:35:13.000 You know, there's been a lot of people that are talking about...

01:35:18.000 The frequency of air accidents, and I still don't think that there's actually a significant uptick in air accidents, especially when you're dealing with small Cessnas and stuff like that, or small planes like private jets like this one.

01:35:36.000 They have a fairly bad safety record, at least when you compare them to...

01:35:45.000 You know, the large carriers, because the large carriers have, you know, they have all the incentive in the world to not crash, whereas if you're a private jet, especially one that it sounds like Shapiro, I think, is his name Shapiro?

01:35:59.000 Yeah, Shapiro owned the jet, and it sounded like he was the pilot, too, especially if Dan was in the co-pilot seat, you know, he was probably hanging with his friend.

01:36:09.000 But yeah, you know, if it's a recreational pilot or someone that can pilot but they don't pilot the way that the large carriers do, you know, you're definitely more prone to accidents.

01:36:21.000 I got to watching this guy Pilot Debrief on YouTube.

01:36:26.000 He's a former F-15 pilot and also private pilot.

01:36:30.000 And whenever there's an accident, he goes through and he always talks about like...

01:36:34.000 The way he always puts it is the holes in the Swiss cheese line up, and once you have three errors in a row, dead.

01:36:43.000 You know, this kind of thing.

01:36:44.000 And then you just have, and he goes through and he shows, it's almost always this careless mistake.

01:36:48.000 Sometimes, you know, it's a mechanical problem, but it could have been handled if you had followed the checklist or whatever, you know what I mean?

01:36:57.000 Pretty scary, man.

01:36:58.000 I would love to be a pilot, but I just don't want to take that slam, that's all.

01:37:03.000 This is a pretty long flight, too, from Jersey to California.

01:37:08.000 It's a pretty capable jet to do that flight.

01:37:16.000 Sorry about your buddy.

01:37:17.000 We left the band quite a while ago.

01:37:19.000 He was on their best work.

01:37:23.000 We toured with them in like...

01:37:25.000 Well, I mean, we played a bunch of shows with them throughout the years, but we did a tour with them in like 2010, and so that was when we met and stuff.

01:37:35.000 But yeah, it's weird.

01:37:40.000 Is it time for Super Chats yet?

01:37:41.000 Yeah?

01:37:42.000 Alright, we're going to go to Super Chats.

01:37:44.000 So smash the like button, share the show with your friends, and join us in the Discord by going to timcast.com, and then you should also join us on Rumble, become a member, so that way you can join us for the after show, where we will take your phone calls and we will allow you to interact with our guests and with us, and if you've got questions, you can go ahead and hit us up.

01:38:10.000 But right now, we're going to go ahead and start taking some of these super chats.

01:38:14.000 Let's see.

01:38:16.000 Shane H. Wilder says, What a day!

01:38:18.000 The big, beautiful bill passes through the House with tax breaks and budget cuts like defunding Planned Parenthood.

01:38:24.000 And now the FTC is investigating media matters for collusion.

01:38:28.000 Let's go.

01:38:29.000 I second that.

01:38:29.000 Amen.

01:38:30.000 I do want to say...

01:38:31.000 How big are those cuts?

01:38:32.000 They're not big enough.

01:38:35.000 The Big Beautiful Bill is not big.

01:38:36.000 It doesn't cut enough.

01:38:38.000 There is a little silver lining on the bill, though.

01:38:41.000 The Hearing Protection Act was in the bill, and that passed the House.

01:38:47.000 And the Short Act was not.

01:38:49.000 So hopefully we can get the Short Act added in the Senate.

01:38:52.000 Fingers crossed.

01:38:53.000 So call your representatives.

01:38:55.000 Call your senators.

01:38:56.000 Tell them that you want to see the Short Act added.

01:38:59.000 And yeah.

01:39:01.000 Hey, can I say a thing real quick?

01:39:02.000 You just reminded me.

01:39:03.000 Man, I almost forgot.

01:39:05.000 In Arizona, the Republicans passed unanimously through the Senate the Defend the Guard Act.

01:39:13.000 Oh, yes.

01:39:14.000 Okay.

01:39:15.000 And get this, for anyone out there who leans left anymore, I don't know how anyone could, but if anyone does out there, not one Democrat supported it.

01:39:23.000 They got it through.

01:39:25.000 I mean, imagine that.

01:39:26.000 An anti-war bill.

01:39:27.000 And what this does, for people not familiar, it's so important.

01:39:30.000 This is the most important thing going on in the anti-war movement in America today.

01:39:33.000 It's led by combat veterans from Iraq War II and Afghanistan.

01:39:37.000 Bring our troops home.us. 0.71

01:39:39.000 Defend the Guard.us.

01:39:41.000 And the move is to get the state legislatures to pass laws and the governors to sign laws, making it illegal for the governor to give his soldiers over to the president to use for combat in a foreign operation without an official declaration of war by the Congress, like it says in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11, and which of course has been a real problem that we haven't declared war since against Romania in 1942.

01:40:08.000 .us.

01:40:10.000 So, and it's conservatives and libertarians and American combat veterans from the terror wars who are behind this effort and are pushing it through.

01:40:19.000 And they did have the House in Arizona all lined up, but the leadership of the House in Arizona is now botching it and falling apart.

01:40:27.000 So it's kind of an emergency.

01:40:29.000 But what we do is we've got this great phone banking program there at defendtheguard.us.

01:40:35.000 And I'm 99% sure it's just...

01:40:37.000 Defendtheguard.us slash phonebank.

01:40:40.000 And then what happens is, once you go there, you sign up, and then Diego Rivera, who's a ranger from Iraq War II, great guy.

01:40:49.000 He will contact you, train you up, teach you how to do it, and it really works.

01:40:53.000 I mean, forget the U.S. Congress in Washington, but your state legislature, if they get a bunch of calls from veterans talking about, you better support veterans by supporting this bill, they will support it.

01:41:04.000 And we've had a lot of successes.

01:41:07.000 We haven't gotten it signed yet, but we've got it through many state house and state senate committees, and we've got it through full state houses and full state senates numerous times over the last few years.

01:41:18.000 Yeah.

01:41:20.000 So anyone, especially America First, anti-war right-wingers and libertarians, we need you.

01:41:25.000 Go to defendtheguard.us slash bonebank and give them hell there in Arizona and help get this thing through the House. 0.98

01:41:33.000 There you go.

01:41:33.000 Can I get one word on the one big beautiful bill?

01:41:36.000 Trump supporters should be very excited about this bill because it's one big beautiful bill and we won't need to wait for a ton of different bills to pass the House.

01:41:44.000 And the MAGA agenda is finally getting through and we should be excited about it.

01:41:47.000 But we should also remember...

01:41:49.000 Remember the libertarian grandstanders in the House who didn't help get this passed and are acting like a Trojan horse for the left.

01:41:57.000 People like Thomas Massey, where Donald Trump again called this guy a grandstander.

01:42:01.000 So we should keep in mind who's against the MAGA agenda while saying they're in the Republican Party.

01:42:06.000 Worth mentioning.

01:42:08.000 Is that what Massey's doing? 1.00

01:42:09.000 He wants spending to be higher?

01:42:12.000 He's voting against the MAGA agenda.

01:42:14.000 That's what he's doing.

01:42:15.000 I'm not familiar what was with the Thomas Massey situation.

01:42:18.000 He voted against the one big, beautiful bill in the House, and it would be cool if we could actually pull up Donald Trump.

01:42:26.000 Because it doesn't cut.

01:42:26.000 Why?

01:42:27.000 Because he's so principled.

01:42:28.000 Or as Donald Trump says, he just doesn't understand how the government...

01:42:31.000 What was the actual reason?

01:42:33.000 Because he's so principled.

01:42:35.000 Because it doesn't cut anything, right?

01:42:37.000 So the Republicans have control of the House and Senate and they have the opportunity, the chance, to actually make substantive cuts.

01:42:45.000 But there are no cuts.

01:42:46.000 There are not even decreases in spending.

01:42:50.000 It's only increases.

01:42:52.000 Libertarians don't ever have to seriously govern.

01:42:54.000 They get to grandstand.

01:42:56.000 I thought Thomas Massey wasn't even a libertarian.

01:42:58.000 Well, that's how he dubs himself.

01:43:00.000 Well, he is, but it sounds like he's doing the right thing to me.

01:43:02.000 Well, he's opposing the MAGA agenda in the House.

01:43:05.000 Is he a libertarian?

01:43:06.000 He's a member of the Freedom Caucus.

01:43:09.000 I'm not sure if he would call himself a libertarian.

01:43:11.000 He is a Republican member of Congress.

01:43:14.000 He caucuses with the Republicans.

01:43:16.000 He runs as a Republican.

01:43:18.000 So technically, he's going to be called a Republican.

01:43:22.000 He does agree with libertarians when it comes to spending.

01:43:25.000 Because, look, conservatives and Republicans historically have used the lip service of, I'm a conservative.

01:43:34.000 That means I want smaller government, I want less spending.

01:43:37.000 That's the way that they present their ideas.

01:43:42.000 Historically, in reality, Republicans have been just as big spending as...

01:43:48.000 You know, as Democrats.

01:43:49.000 Donald Trump has a lot of things that he wants to do.

01:43:53.000 They cost money.

01:43:55.000 And, you know, the fiscal conservatives are like, hey, this doesn't cut the government.

01:44:01.000 And whether or not you believe, whether or not you agree with the agenda that Donald Trump has or not, the fact of the matter is, just yesterday, the bond market responded to the passing of the bill because...

01:44:13.000 Essentially what the bond market is saying is, like, we don't believe that the government is going to get this spending under control.

01:44:20.000 Because when you have Republicans in control of the House, the Senate, and the presidency, and they don't make cuts...

01:44:28.000 Whether or not you like this, this is true.

01:44:33.000 Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good when you get to the house and actually have to govern.

01:44:38.000 I'm telling the facts of what happened.

01:44:42.000 I'm not telling opinions.

01:44:43.000 No, you're really missing the forest for the trees.

01:44:45.000 No, I'm not articulating your opinion is what's going on.

01:44:49.000 The bond market responded because this bill passed, because there was no cuts.

01:44:56.000 If you make tax cuts and you can get the economy growing, then that will offset the spending, right?

01:44:56.000 Ostensibly...

01:45:03.000 Because you'll have more economic activity and so you'll have more money coming in to take care of the spending.

01:45:09.000 But as of right now, the...

01:45:12.000 The Republicans haven't cut taxes.

01:45:14.000 I think there might be a tax cut that is in this, but they haven't made any significant cuts, and there haven't been any of the doge cuts are not in the bill to make them permanent, which is necessary.

01:45:28.000 Oh, so it was pointless.

01:45:29.000 Well, it wasn't pointless, but they are not taking this opportunity.

01:45:34.000 Wasn't there an idea floated to make cuts in order for them to only need a simple majority?

01:45:40.000 Well, this is a spending bill, and that's why they only need a simple majority.

01:45:46.000 So in the Senate, they only need a simple majority because it's a spending bill.

01:45:50.000 Most of the time they need 60 votes, which is part of the reason why very rarely do bills get passed, because this is what they call reconciliation.

01:45:57.000 So you have to have a simple majority and all the only things that can be in this bill are things that are related to funding.

01:46:03.000 So there's when I talk about the the Hearing Protection Act that only gets in there because of the fact that there's a tax attached to.

01:46:15.000 If there wasn't a tax, if it was just, oh, you're not allowed to have these, you have to register them, they wouldn't be able to put it in because it has nothing to do with the budget.

01:46:22.000 This is specifically about budgeting.

01:46:25.000 So, anyways, we're going to keep...

01:46:26.000 I like Thomas Massey.

01:46:27.000 Don't talk to Alan.

01:46:28.000 I like him, too.

01:46:29.000 Me, too.

01:46:30.000 Well, Donald Trump thinks he's a grandstander and says he doesn't understand how government works.

01:46:34.000 Trump doesn't really think that.

01:46:35.000 He was just firing off.

01:46:37.000 And, you know, generally I like Donald Trump, but it's okay to disagree with him on some things.

01:46:41.000 You recognize that right now in the budget, the interest on the national debt is more than the cost of the entire empire per year.

01:46:49.000 So for all you people slaving away, paying the IRS a third of your income.

01:46:56.000 All that is just going to pay interest to some sovereign national government bondholder on the other side of the planet somewhere.

01:47:04.000 You're not even getting to help kill a Gazan kid with it. 0.96

01:47:07.000 You're not even getting to, you know, much less buy medicines for some poor sick old lady. 1.00

01:47:13.000 Nope, you're just going to pay interest on the debt to the National Bank of South Korea.

01:47:18.000 And it's getting to the point where the interest on the national debt, like to your point, it's so much money that the...

01:47:26.000 The government isn't going to be able to do anything at all except for pay interest on the debt.

01:47:30.000 So anything that the government wants to do, they'll be printing money up for it, taking a loan, selling bonds.

01:47:37.000 And when people don't want to buy the bonds because the debt is so high, that makes the bond market react.

01:47:45.000 And yet, like I said yesterday, they put bonds on sale, and the desire for them was very, very soft.

01:47:50.000 There wasn't people running to buy them.

01:47:52.000 There was a downgrade in the U.S. credit rating by Moody's, or I think it was Moody's, but it was because...

01:48:01.000 Because people don't think the government is going to be able to pay back the bonds.

01:48:06.000 If people won't buy U.S. Treasuries, then the government can't just spend money like it wants.

01:48:13.000 So there has to be a demand for the U.S. Treasuries, or else...

01:48:18.000 You're not going to be able to print up money.

01:48:20.000 So it's a real pickle we're in.

01:48:23.000 It's something that the libertarians have been talking about for decades now.

01:48:26.000 Ron Paul was talking about it in 2008, screaming at the top of his lungs when the first housing crisis, he was like, we can't just print this money.

01:48:36.000 And then we went on to not only do the tarp, but then we spent a decade, almost a full decade.

01:48:45.000 At 0% interest rates, it was $0 to borrow money for banks.

01:48:51.000 And so rich people were taking out loans, taking those loans, and throwing...

01:48:56.000 All the current spending, too.

01:48:57.000 That was all brand new money.

01:48:59.000 Not even loaned into circulation, but just sent straight out by the Treasury.

01:49:03.000 So I understand your frustration a lot because it's an opportunity to get these policies that Trump wants in, but...

01:49:11.000 Reality is starting to materialize, and it's coming in the form of people don't want to buy U.S. Treasury bonds the way that they used to.

01:49:20.000 The U.S. used to be a guarantee, used to be as guarantee as any guarantee you could find on Earth.

01:49:28.000 And when they opened up the bond market yesterday, there was not the demand.

01:49:32.000 They just weren't there.

01:49:33.000 So, you know, that's reality coming to say, hey...

01:49:38.000 This spending is going to stop one way or another.

01:49:41.000 Anyways, so Hardcase says, Phil, I am also having my first child in October and November.

01:49:46.000 I think it may fall to that generation to save humanity.

01:49:49.000 I hope that there is enough of them because we need more people like you and me having kids.

01:49:55.000 Congratulations, dude.

01:49:56.000 That's awesome.

01:49:57.000 It's really cool.

01:49:58.000 So what generation is that?

01:50:00.000 Is it still, it's the one after Alpha, isn't it?

01:50:02.000 I think it is, yeah.

01:50:03.000 Is that generation Beta?

01:50:05.000 Oh, that'll be embarrassing.

01:50:07.000 That's terrible.

01:50:07.000 I really hope not.

01:50:08.000 They've come up with a different name.

01:50:10.000 Yeah.

01:50:11.000 Let's see.

01:50:12.000 Generation-based.

01:50:14.000 Broken Cake 2 has a terrible idea.

01:50:18.000 Give every country a nuke.

01:50:19.000 No, that's an awful idea.

01:50:21.000 That's terrible.

01:50:23.000 Okay, but just like one or two each, though.

01:50:27.000 Oh, man.

01:50:28.000 Alright, let's see.

01:50:30.000 The Liam McCollum Show says, Hey Scott, tell everyone about the Defend the Guard Act, which he already did.

01:50:38.000 Let's see.

01:50:42.000 Let's see.

01:50:46.000 what do you got There's a lot of them.

01:50:53.000 Let me see.

01:50:55.000 Yeah, but a lot of them were dependent on the actual conversation that was happening at the time.

01:51:01.000 I always wish we ran through them, you know?

01:51:03.000 I feel like so many chats come in, we never get to so many of them.

01:51:07.000 Okay, here.

01:51:07.000 Jay Dirtbiker says, Phil, I'm still waiting for Aaron Lewis to come make an appearance on the show.

01:51:11.000 Do your thing, man.

01:51:12.000 I would love to get Aaron Lewis on the show, but, you know, when you're on tour, it's tough to stop to come make a show like this.

01:51:21.000 So, Aaron's a great guy.

01:51:23.000 And a friend, but I don't know what he's up to, so let's see.

01:51:30.000 KitTanker420 says, bring back my new favorite show called Phil Tells a Lot to Shut It at 8. I've never done that.

01:51:38.000 I've never told a lot to shut it.

01:51:39.000 Some people don't like hearing the truth.

01:51:42.000 I mean, we do disagree around here, and that's part of the charm of the show.

01:51:48.000 Not everybody just says, oh yeah, we all agree on the same thing.

01:51:51.000 And it's okay.

01:51:52.000 Let's see.

01:51:54.000 Jonathan Foreman says, I wonder if Jimmy John's is going to get their PR department to ask them never allow their guests to drink from their cups again.

01:52:03.000 Oh, no, I don't think so.

01:52:05.000 No.

01:52:06.000 Sponsorship?

01:52:06.000 Wouldn't that be great if their stock price went way up, right?

01:52:10.000 Or way down?

01:52:11.000 Either way, I think I'd be happy just to know that...

01:52:15.000 What was this one up here?

01:52:16.000 It mattered at all.

01:52:18.000 Holy cow. 0.89

01:52:19.000 S.A. Federale says, Holy cow, you have Scott Horton on tonight?

01:52:22.000 Please give all his ideas to literally anyone else to argue and stop him from writhing on the stage like a two-year-old on Ritalin.

01:52:29.000 Oh, my God.

01:52:30.000 Be nice to our guest.

01:52:32.000 Oh, am I wiggling in my chair back and forth too much?

01:52:34.000 I think so.

01:52:37.000 Let's see.

01:52:39.000 Sorry, dude.

01:52:41.000 Let's see.

01:52:42.000 Oh, they're giving you more hell, Scott.

01:52:42.000 MT says...

01:52:44.000 MT says, Scott, we were just on the brink of World War III two weeks ago.

01:52:47.000 Why? 0.90

01:52:47.000 Because Pakistani Islamic terrorists going after Hindus. 0.90

01:52:50.000 Did Israel, America make them do it? 0.94

01:52:53.000 No.

01:52:54.000 I mean, I think the question is whether the ISI made them do it, right?

01:52:57.000 Or whether it was like some freelance bin Ladenites?

01:53:01.000 But yes, I mean, look, there's a great book called Devil's Game by Robert Dreyfuss, where he explains how it was really the British policy to support Islamists against the nationalists and the socialists in the post-World War II era.

01:53:15.000 And then America picked it up from them. 0.92

01:53:17.000 And so America has built these Islamist networks all across the Middle East.

01:53:22.000 Now, whether, you know, if it was Lashkar Utaiba that did that, whether they were...

01:53:27.000 Originally created in cooperation with the CIA, I guess is doubtful.

01:53:31.000 I think they probably were just created by Pakistani intelligence.

01:53:33.000 And the fight over Kashmir, no, is not driven by America.

01:53:37.000 In fact, my understanding is that Donald Trump intervened and helped to negotiate a peace there, which is what I would like to see America do, is leave the world hell alone and yet be willing to pick up the phone, be willing to host peace conferences, be willing to help resolve some of these frozen conflicts, as they call them around the world, and see what kind of compromises can be made.

01:53:57.000 It's a really intractable kind of conflict where you have essentially a Muslim population ruled by a Hindu princeling, supported by New Delhi, and the local people there just want independence for themselves, don't really want to be a Muslim population. 0.75

01:54:12.000 I don't think.

01:54:14.000 But it's...

01:54:15.000 Completely, you know...

01:54:16.000 That's a very tribal area as well, too.

01:54:20.000 States are very fake in the first place.

01:54:23.000 You know what?

01:54:23.000 I didn't even know this, dude, until a few years ago.

01:54:25.000 Pakistan is actually something like an acronym or whatever you call it.

01:54:28.000 It's actually made up of...

01:54:30.000 The P is for Punjab and the whatever. 0.99

01:54:32.000 The K is for Kashmir, which they don't have, which is the funniest part. 1.00

01:54:35.000 And ends with Baluchistan, you know, which is there closer to Iran.

01:54:39.000 So, like, yeah, there's nothing natural about the creation of that state.

01:54:43.000 It was the British Empire that drew the lines.

01:54:45.000 Yeah, the whole, all of Pakistan, like, the whole Pakistan, and I'm not, I don't think this is the same for India, but the whole of Pakistan and Afghanistan and, like...

01:54:54.000 Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, they're all conglomerates of tribal people, far more than they are actual countries. 0.96

01:55:01.000 Well, and when it's the British that come through, they like to either divide and conquer, like they do with the Pashtuns, the Duran line on the Afghan-Pakistani border. 0.99

01:55:10.000 That was drawn there by the British in order to divide the Pashtun tribes, which seems to have worked fantastically. 1.00

01:55:16.000 Or in other places, the group opposing ethnicities together in a new nation to keep them divided and conquered. 0.60

01:55:23.000 So, yes, and this is the curse of the old world, right?

01:55:27.000 Is that everybody wants their nation-state to reflect their ethnic borders, but they don't.

01:55:31.000 And so then, do we have to fight about it, or can we find compromises, you know?

01:55:36.000 All right, let's see here.

01:55:39.000 Sorry for...

01:55:40.000 From the spork, which says, We're not afraid of what they have to say.

01:55:45.000 It's really very simple.

01:55:46.000 If they hate us, why would we want them here?

01:55:48.000 What if they just hate our government, which is in our interest?

01:55:56.000 The more people who hate our government, the better, because our government is the worst thing about our society.

01:56:00.000 Well, I mean, it depends.

01:56:02.000 So hating us is like, I don't know, who do they hate exactly?

01:56:05.000 It depends on what you mean.

01:56:07.000 If it's just like someone that's critical of the government, that's fine.

01:56:09.000 But there's a lot of people that really just don't like the United States as a concept.

01:56:15.000 They don't like that.

01:56:17.000 So the argument, they hate us for our freedom when it comes to overseas, I don't agree with that.

01:56:22.000 But when it comes to the left...

01:56:24.000 They literally do, because leftists don't like the idea of people having dissenting views.

01:56:29.000 And you see that the way that they do the whole cancel culture was for all the teams and stuff.

01:56:36.000 let's see Bueno Malio says mechanical engineer here used to work for a for co-generation power plant power plants are giant inverse motors nuclear energy is magic rock heats So I guess he's saying that he doesn't know of any kind of technology where you can just transfer nuclear material into electricity.

01:57:01.000 Matthew Perry says, I don't care anymore.

01:57:05.000 I think there's a lot of Americans that kind of have that opinion.

01:57:09.000 Can I just say real quick, I don't care about the rest of the world at all.

01:57:13.000 I feel like I'm forced into this job.

01:57:16.000 The fact of the matter is, our government's relationship with the rest of the world is the primary factor determining...

01:57:24.000 Our government's relationship with us.

01:57:26.000 If we didn't have a world empire, we wouldn't really need Washington, D.C., hardly at all.

01:57:30.000 We could get rid of all of this and have much more localized governments and much more freedom.

01:57:36.000 And look, in fact, our grandparents all moved here in order to be free and leave the old world and its problems behind.

01:57:42.000 The problem is our government is the world empire.

01:57:46.000 The middle part of North America is the dominant force in the Middle East, in Eastern Europe, in Eastern Asia.

01:57:51.000 And so they make all this stuff our business.

01:57:53.000 And we can't have our limited republic we want here until we abandon our world empire there.

01:57:58.000 Like, on principle, I agree with you, but I think the biggest problem with that is the fact that there aren't enough people that are libertarians.

01:58:05.000 Like, the argument, like, you know, the bumper sticker, the libertarians viciously plotting to take over the country and leave you alone, right?

01:58:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:14.000 You're taking over anything.

01:58:15.000 No, they're not taking over anything.

01:58:16.000 But the thing is, like, I love the idea.

01:58:21.000 But the fact of the matter is, the libertarian kind of impulse isn't popular enough to actually do that.

01:58:30.000 Well, it depends.

01:58:31.000 It's so true. 0.84

01:58:32.000 People grow up as the issue with libertarianism.

01:58:34.000 If you weren't so combative about the conversation, you could actually convince people.

01:58:39.000 No, that's it.

01:58:40.000 People grow up.

01:58:42.000 They realize that it's actually like...

01:58:44.000 Hyper-individualism, it's not how our society actually functions, and we're a product of our environment and societies and neighborhoods that we grow up in.

01:58:54.000 That's not contradictory to libertarianism at all.

01:58:57.000 I think it goes a bit deeper than that.

01:58:59.000 I mean, the fact is that more and more, for example, right-wingers all agree that Ron Paul was right.

01:59:05.000 All along.

01:59:07.000 Not just about money, but about foreign policy, too.

01:59:10.000 We should have never been doing any of this.

01:59:12.000 And you know what?

01:59:13.000 Forget the Cold War and the post-World War II era.

01:59:15.000 But at least since the end of the Cold War...

01:59:18.000 Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and Ted Carpenter and everybody who said, we should come home from Europe, we should come home from Asia, leave the world the hell alone.

01:59:27.000 They were all right.

01:59:28.000 They have all been vindicated.

01:59:30.000 And the right-wingers now, and you know what it was.

01:59:33.000 It was when ISIS took over Western Iraq.

01:59:35.000 And they went, what in the world are we doing now here?

01:59:39.000 What have we won out of any of this war for Israel?

01:59:43.000 What did Israel even win from our wars for them? 0.92

01:59:47.000 You can throw Israel into anything, Scott. 0.71

01:59:49.000 It's an amazing...

01:59:49.000 Well, I mean, it is in the Middle East.

01:59:51.000 Well, the New York conservatives are the vanguard of the Israel lobby in the United States, and they launched that war for Israel.

01:59:57.000 So, yeah, they have a lot to do with it.

01:59:58.000 We're going to find a way to shoehorn Israel into almost anything. 0.98

02:00:01.000 Yeah, I can listen.

02:00:02.000 We're going to shoehorn them right into my books all about their role in lying us into that war.

02:00:06.000 Enough.

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02:00:27.000 Yes, man.

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02:00:38.000 Awesome.

02:00:39.000 Wait, was that actually the subhead?

02:00:41.000 Okay.

02:00:41.000 No.

02:00:42.000 It's provoked.

02:00:43.000 How Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine.

02:00:48.000 And it's really, it's about Bush Sr., Bill Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, Trump, although it wasn't really his fault in his first term, and of course Joe Biden and how they ruined everything.

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02:04:21.000 A hidden city built 5,000 years ago by a lost advanced civilization has been discovered underneath a vast desert, or so thedailymail.com says.

02:04:31.000 For centuries, the Rib al-Khali desert near Saudi Arabia and Dubai, known as the Empty Quarter, was dismissed as a lifeless sea of sand.

02:04:39.000 But now it's revealing an astonishing secret.

02:04:42.000 in 2002 Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum ruler of Dubai spotted unusual doom formations and a large black deposit while flying over the desert that led to the discovery of Sirach al-Hadid an archaeological site rich in remains of copper and iron smelting which is now believed to be part of a 5,000 year old civilization Is that Ozymandias' kingdom there?

02:05:11.000 I hope so.

02:05:13.000 Oh, there's no audio.

02:05:18.000 Okay.

02:05:19.000 So, what's the consensus here on, or what are your opinions on lost civilizations?

02:05:27.000 I think that it's, personally, I think it's...

02:05:29.000 Fake.

02:05:30.000 Well, I mean, it's, I think that...

02:05:32.000 Fake.

02:05:33.000 I'm just gonna say fake.

02:05:34.000 Well, I mean, you know, nothing ever happens, right?

02:05:37.000 Nothing ever happened.

02:05:38.000 Ever.

02:05:39.000 Oh, nothing ever happened.

02:05:40.000 I kind of feel like it's almost, you know, a guarantee that there are lost civilizations, because...

02:05:46.000 Humanity's been around for at least actual human beings for like 100,000 years, right?

02:05:54.000 Something like that?

02:05:55.000 Does this interest you?

02:05:57.000 I was watching that girl.

02:05:58.000 Wait, I'm just actually asking if this interests you because...

02:06:02.000 I'm sorry.

02:06:04.000 I'm so sorry.

02:06:05.000 I'm just genuinely asking if this is something that you read about for fun?

02:06:12.000 No.

02:06:13.000 Okay.

02:06:14.000 So I don't, I don't, I wouldn't read, but I don't, I don't read about this stuff.

02:06:19.000 You broke a lot.

02:06:20.000 Struggling in the corner.

02:06:21.000 But I mean, but no, but the fact, I mean, 5,000 is a long time ago, man.

02:06:25.000 That's interesting as hell.

02:06:26.000 Yeah.

02:06:26.000 And I mean, I know.

02:06:27.000 No, I'm sorry.

02:06:28.000 I just, it doesn't personally interest me.

02:06:29.000 I was just wondering if it was something that Lana is about to like throw up. 1.00

02:06:35.000 You believe this shit? 1.00

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