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00:02:16.000 Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin met in Alaska for two and a half hours today to discuss an end to the Russia-Ukraine war.

00:02:23.000 Hillary Clinton says that if he's successful, that she herself will nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:02:28.000 So I hope that he is, and I hope that she actually has to go through with it because I imagine that would be really tough for her.

00:02:33.000 D.C. Attorney General is suing the Trump administration for what is looking like a very successful operation to help bring down crime in the DC area.

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00:04:32.000 But right now, to talk about all of these things and so much more, tonight we have Alex Lanes, right?

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00:04:40.000 Who are you and what do you do?

00:04:42.000 I am Alex Lanes.

00:04:44.000 I am a part-time commentator and hopefully soon to be full-time musician.

00:04:50.000 And for the past five years, I've just been ranting on social media about everything from politics to culture, society, yada, yada, yada.

00:05:00.000 And yeah, that's pretty much it.

00:05:02.000 Are you a multi-instrumentalist?

00:05:04.000 Yeah, I play guitar and piano.

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00:05:07.000 I'm not the best at guitar, though, because I've got small hands.

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00:05:15.000 My band used to have a bass player that was a female about your size, and she played a full-size bass with little hands. 1.00

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00:05:25.000 Yes.

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00:05:40.000 Hi, Carter.

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00:05:42.000 I'm happy too, Phil.

00:05:43.000 Good to see you.

00:05:43.000 Hi, Alex.

00:05:44.000 And Serge is also probably not going to say anything in this.

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00:05:50.000 Hey, you guys.

00:05:51.000 Good to see you again.

00:05:52.000 Thanks for having me, man.

00:05:53.000 I appreciate that you're at least going to say hello to everyone, Sergei.

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00:06:04.000 Spinal Tap's coming out with a new movie.

00:06:05.000 Let's get into the show.

00:06:06.000 All right, then.

00:06:07.000 So the alternative press.

00:06:10.000 Associated Press is reporting.

00:06:12.000 Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin meet for two and a half hours at Alaska Summit to discuss possible end to Russia-Ukraine war.

00:06:19.000 Joint base Elmendorf Richardson, Alaska.

00:06:22.000 President Donald Trump and Russia's Vladimir Putin met for about two and a half hours on Friday at a summit in Alaska that started with a handshake, a smile, and a ride in the presidential limousine.

00:06:31.000 It also had an overflight by a B-2 bomber, two F-35s, and two F-22s.

00:06:37.000 So that's something that they left out, and that's worth mentioning.

00:06:41.000 An unusually warm reception for a U.S. adversary responsible for launching the greatest land war in Europe since 1945.

00:06:47.000 They plan to hold a joint news conference after talking together with top advisors behind closed doors on efforts to end Russia's war in Ukraine.

00:06:54.000 When they greeted each other, they gripped hands for an extended period of time on a red carpet rolled out at Joint Base Elmendorf Richardson in Anchorage.

00:07:02.000 As they chatted, Putin grinned and pointed Skyward, where B-2s and F-22 military aircraft designed to oppose Russia during the Cold War flew overhead.

00:07:11.000 Reporters nearby yelled, President Putin, will you stop killing civilians?

00:07:15.000 That sounds like activists.

00:07:16.000 Just want to point that out.

00:07:17.000 And Russia's leader put his hands up to his ears as though to indicate he couldn't hear them.

00:07:22.000 Trump and Putin then shared the U.S. presidential limb known as the Beast for a short ride to their meeting site, with Putin offering a broad smile as the vehicle rolled past the cameras.

00:07:31.000 So we've got a possible scoop, or not, well, not scoop, but we've got a possible, there's a possibility that Brett Baer or Sean Hannity will be talking to Donald Trump on Air Force One, and we'll get updates to you guys as soon as we get them.

00:07:49.000 If they do, if they actually do do an interview on Air Force One, we'll cut to that for a few minutes when it happens, probably around 9 o'clock, because that's when Hannity shows run.

00:07:59.000 But this isn't a historic meeting because it's the first time that Putin's ever been to Alaska, and I think it's the first time that the U.S. has met with Putin in since 10 years at least.

00:08:12.000 10 years, something like that.

00:08:14.000 Read that earlier.

00:08:15.000 So, yeah.

00:08:15.000 So it's possible that there will be some kind of peace development, but I don't think most people went in expecting an actual resolution.

00:08:24.000 And I certainly don't think anyone expects Putin to withdraw from the areas that he's taken from Ukraine.

00:08:32.000 And that includes the Donbass.

00:08:33.000 There are people out there that think there's not going to be, or there is no reason to have any kind of peace unless Putin promises to pull back, not just from the Donbass and the areas that he's taken since 2022, but also if he has to leave the Crimea, the Crimea area and stuff, which I don't think that that's, I don't think that's even remotely possible.

00:08:56.000 But I'm curious to know your thoughts.

00:08:58.000 I'm very happy that this is happening.

00:09:00.000 In general, I was kind of crying out for this a couple of weeks ago that we got to end this war somehow.

00:09:04.000 And I think Putin's been pretty clear, although the American media seems to have obfuscated his demands that he wants all the land east of the Donbass River.

00:09:11.000 He's looking for a geographical border.

00:09:13.000 It was probably the most stabilizing thing he can do.

00:09:15.000 Because if you, you guys talked about this through the week.

00:09:17.000 If you draw arbitrary borders with just a straight line across a flat area, there's inevitably going to be conflict because it's an easy place to attack.

00:09:25.000 When it's a river or a mountain, it's much easier just to that's my border.

00:09:29.000 I think that's dependent on the people involved.

00:09:32.000 It is too, because the northern U.S. borders with Canada.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I thought of that.

00:09:35.000 That's exactly what I was going to say.

00:09:36.000 I don't expect there to be a significant conflict between the United States and Canada.

00:09:39.000 I don't expect it either.

00:09:40.000 But it's not along a geographical border.

00:09:42.000 One of us attacked the other one.

00:09:44.000 Never has happened to this point.

00:09:46.000 What are you talking about?

00:09:47.000 The Canadians and the Americans never went to war.

00:09:50.000 I guess it was technically the British, but there was fighting.

00:09:52.000 The War of 1812, it was for. 0.69

00:09:54.000 You know, the jury is out on that border, but I've thought about that too, that arbitrary border between Canada and the United States.

00:09:59.000 It's not a defensible border.

00:10:01.000 But anyway, the Donbass River is.

00:10:03.000 So if Putin takes everything east of the Donbass, which they already have control of, and then they create a land bridge down into Crimea so that they have warm water sea access and they can improve their GDP by 30% because now they can trade into the Mediterranean.

00:10:17.000 I think that's the whole purpose and the point.

00:10:19.000 I'm all about it, man.

00:10:20.000 So you think that's just making an alliance.

00:10:22.000 So is it your sense that it's just an economic place?

00:10:25.000 Yes, 100%.

00:10:25.000 He's doing it for Russia's economics.

00:10:28.000 That actually is contrary to what he said to Tucker Carlson, though.

00:10:31.000 What do you say?

00:10:32.000 Well, when he was talking to Tucker Carlson, he was bringing up the history of Ukraine and how to the Russians, Ukraine is part of Russia because Kiev and Rus, I guess, were the original Russians, and they were from Kiev and they went to Moscow.

00:10:47.000 And there's a long history between these two countries.

00:10:49.000 Now, I'm not incredibly well-read on the Russian Ukrainian history, but I know Ukraine and Russia have got very, very deep history.

00:11:01.000 Russia actually came from Ukraine.

00:11:03.000 So it's my sense that whereas I'm not disputing the argument you're making about the economic benefit to him, but I do think that this is more than just an economic play.

00:11:13.000 Yeah.

00:11:14.000 I think this is a more surface level opinion, but it's just nice to see a president who's not a house plant, basically, get together with a world leader and assert dominance.

00:11:28.000 I feel like if this was Biden meeting with Putin, he probably would have agreed with everything that Putin wanted in exchange for like an ice cream cone.

00:11:36.000 So it's just nice to see Trump be able to come together.

00:11:41.000 I think it's very monumental.

00:11:43.000 So I'm curious to see what was decided.

00:11:45.000 Yeah, we're going to jump to this right here.

00:11:48.000 This is Putin departs Alaska after a historic summit, right?

00:11:53.000 What is it?

00:11:53.000 This is from earlier?

00:11:54.000 No, this is just part of it.

00:11:55.000 I just brought you.

00:11:56.000 I brought up she did say it's just part of the story.

00:11:58.000 They've basically taken all of, well, they've taken all of the area they said they were going to take as far as like they want that they wanted.

00:12:04.000 People have argued because they have the lithium, the coal, the offshore gas, all that stuff.

00:12:08.000 They've currently occupied the areas that are like rich in this rare mineral earth.

00:12:12.000 And I just bring this up.

00:12:14.000 Are these the areas that the United States was looking to make the deals with Ukraine about like the rare earth minerals and stuff like that?

00:12:20.000 This map right here, from what I understand, this is what I saw as well earlier.

00:12:24.000 This is from an article from Fox News from two days ago, I think.

00:12:27.000 But this map right here also shows all the areas they've taken, including north here.

00:12:32.000 But this being the menu, the highly wealthy, like oil rich areas.

00:12:37.000 Rare mineral areas.

00:12:38.000 I just wanted to bring that up.

00:12:39.000 You got that map on screen?

00:12:41.000 See that red border along the left, I believe, is the river.

00:12:44.000 That's the Donbass River?

00:12:45.000 Sure.

00:12:46.000 All the way up.

00:12:46.000 Yeah, I mean, it looked there.

00:12:48.000 Stop it on a river.

00:12:48.000 that's the way to do it.

00:12:51.000 Sorry, Phil.

00:12:52.000 Well, that's the point that we were making earlier.

00:12:54.000 Like, I don't see Putin giving any of this back.

00:12:56.000 Right, because I'm looking, it seems like Ukraine was actually part of Russia.

00:13:00.000 I knew this, but in 1991 was when they declared their independence after that was that was the Soviet Union falling apart.

00:13:08.000 And then the oligarchs came in and kind of split it apart.

00:13:08.000 Right.

00:13:10.000 As far as I can tell, I think they intentionally took that area away from the Russian part of the split up because they didn't want to give the hegemony, hegemony to Russia.

00:13:18.000 They didn't want it to just become another Soviet Union right away.

00:13:21.000 It's like too much economic power if we give them Mediterranean access. 1.00

00:13:25.000 There is a distinction between Ukrainians and Russians, right?

00:13:30.000 The language is not the same.

00:13:31.000 There is an actual Ukrainian language.

00:13:34.000 They are different people.

00:13:37.000 Russians think that the Ukrainians are Russian, whereas Ukrainians are more like we're Ukrainians.

00:13:43.000 And so the Ukrainians feel like they would be subjugated.

00:13:47.000 The Russians feel like they would be bringing the Ukrainians back into the Russian fold. 0.97

00:13:51.000 I mean, this is again, this is something that goes back hundreds of years.

00:13:55.000 I don't know, like, I'm not at all claiming to be some kind of expert on this, but I know that it's a very, that it's a very deep history these two countries have.

00:14:04.000 And all of the times that there's been invasions of Russia, the two major times, which would be Napoleon and Hitler, they went right through Ukraine.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, we were talking before the show.

00:14:14.000 I was talking with about this, and it was the Germans had three armies when they went east into Russia, the Northern Army, the Center Army, and the South.

00:14:22.000 The Army South group had very little problem going through Ukraine.

00:14:25.000 That was the easiest the Germans had was in the South because it's so flat. 0.99

00:14:29.000 You know, in the North, they're up there.

00:14:30.000 At least it was very cold, very, very messed up in mud. 0.95

00:14:33.000 What time period?

00:14:34.000 Because, I mean, they were like in the middle of a full-out controlled famine by Stalin at the time.

00:14:38.000 So they probably didn't have much trouble going through Ukraine.

00:14:42.000 The Holdomir, the Holodomir? 0.96

00:14:44.000 Yeah, they've starved out there.

00:14:44.000 I don't think the Holodomir was during World War II.

00:14:47.000 No, it was like that five-year-part of that five-year plan of getting socialism into the countryside.

00:14:54.000 But to the point of the Ukrainians feeling like there's a distinction between the Russians, right?

00:14:59.000 The Russians are like, well, they're part of Russia. 1.00

00:15:01.000 But according to the Ukrainians, the Soviets, the Russians, starved them.

00:15:06.000 Right, I was thinking part of Russia that they don't want that.

00:15:09.000 No, that's a good recent memory for Ukraine.

00:15:12.000 Yeah, the Ukrainians don't want it at all. 0.99

00:15:13.000 I mean, there's a reason why there's so many Nazis in the Ukraine or in Ukraine. 0.71

00:15:17.000 It's because, according to Ukraine, the Nazis kicked the Russians out.

00:15:22.000 Yeah.

00:15:23.000 Soviets at the Soviets. 0.78

00:15:24.000 Well, I think, yeah, I think they were Soviet Russians.

00:15:27.000 Now, that's not intended to be a defense of the Nazis, but the reason that there are so many, that they have a positive view of the Nazis as opposed to the communists is because the communists did the Holodomor. 0.72

00:15:41.000 You know, they killed millions of Ukrainians and the Nazis kicked them out.

00:15:47.000 And I don't know, again, I don't, I'm not the most in, I don't have the most deep knowledge of this, but the Nazis were actually less brutal to the Russians as well.

00:15:58.000 But like, I only know as much as I've read.

00:16:01.000 So, yeah.

00:16:02.000 So, Soviet central planning was nasty. 0.84

00:16:04.000 And you see it in China right now. 0.97

00:16:05.000 It's disgusting. 0.88

00:16:06.000 I mean, I don't like it.

00:16:07.000 I don't think anybody in Russia wants, well, I would imagine most sane critical thinkers don't want another instance of centralized planning because that's where the whole domir comes from.

00:16:15.000 When you have a central government that can decide that 80,000 people aren't going to get fed tonight, you got a real problem.

00:16:20.000 Those 80,000 people should be governing themselves.

00:16:22.000 I know you want to work together with your federal government and stuff, but local government.

00:16:26.000 So, you know, I don't think those Russians are, I don't think they want it. 1.00

00:16:29.000 This is another.

00:16:30.000 I'm done.

00:16:31.000 No, it's a huge tangent.

00:16:32.000 We could go down.

00:16:33.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 Let's.

00:16:35.000 Yeah.

00:16:35.000 So let's, we're going to jump to this actually.

00:16:38.000 Let's see, where is it?

00:16:39.000 Where Hillary Clinton decided.

00:16:40.000 There we go.

00:16:41.000 Hillary Clinton, from the post-millennial, Hillary Clinton would nominate Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize if he ends Ukraine-Russia war without Ukraine having to cede territory.

00:16:51.000 If Donald Trump negotiates an end to Putin's war on Ukraine without Ukraine having to cede territory, I'll nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize myself.

00:16:58.000 He gets under her skin so bad.

00:17:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:02.000 I mean, he is in her head run-free.

00:17:06.000 Yeah.

00:17:06.000 24-7 all the time.

00:17:08.000 Did they know each other back in the day?

00:17:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:11.000 Well, they knew each other well.

00:17:12.000 She went to his wedding.

00:17:13.000 Really?

00:17:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:14.000 Oh, did she?

00:17:15.000 I didn't know that.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, they were friendly because Donald Trump, before Donald Trump got into politics, Donald Trump would donate money to everybody because he wanted to be friends with everybody and he also wanted to be able to get in touch with people.

00:17:27.000 They loved him back then.

00:17:28.000 Yeah, everyone did.

00:17:29.000 And so he would just say, like, he went to, he invited the Clintons to him and Melania's wedding.

00:17:34.000 And Hillary Clinton said, oh, yeah, of course we went.

00:17:37.000 He's a ton of fun.

00:17:38.000 Everybody that meets Donald Trump and talks to him, unless they go in intending to hate him and they're rude and they are looking to start a fight with him.

00:17:50.000 Everybody comes away and they're just like, all right, the guy's nice.

00:17:52.000 He's great.

00:17:53.000 He's funny.

00:17:54.000 He's just.

00:17:55.000 Just as Bill Maher said, I think he went into his meeting thinking he was going to hate him too.

00:17:59.000 He's a charismatic Guy.

00:18:00.000 Look, and for the most part, to be honest with you, when you meet people that are that well-known in politics and that well-known just overall, they do have a really amazing amount of charisma.

00:18:12.000 I remember when I met, what's his name?

00:18:14.000 The guy that runs the Blaze.

00:18:17.000 Glenn Beck.

00:18:18.000 I met Glenn Beck, and I was like, okay, I understand why this dude is like the big guy at what's it called?

00:18:24.000 He's just very charismatic.

00:18:25.000 When he talks to you, you feel like he's going to remember you next time.

00:18:29.000 You're the only person.

00:18:30.000 And you hear people talk about Bill Clinton like that all the time when they would meet Bill Clinton.

00:18:34.000 Obama, too.

00:18:35.000 Obama, yeah.

00:18:35.000 When you meet these guys, they have the ability to make you feel like you're the only person in the room and to remember small things about you if you've met them, if they've met you twice.

00:18:47.000 That's something that politicians in Western countries particularly have.

00:18:52.000 That's part of why they end up in positions of high positions in government.

00:18:58.000 And it'll be the same thing with people that are senators a lot of time.

00:19:02.000 You probably don't see it as much with all Congress people because there's so many Congress people.

00:19:06.000 But we were talking last night about the people in Texas and whether or not the Democrats that are looking to make hay about what's going on in Texas, if they can get arrested, like are they going to be able to actually capitalize on that?

00:19:21.000 And do they have the political talent to really make something of it?

00:19:25.000 Because of course they want to get arrested.

00:19:26.000 Of course they want to get picked up and get on, you know, make social media posts about it, get on TV and stuff.

00:19:32.000 But only certain people, the really politically talented, could take that opportunity and turn it into something that gets them not only or gets them from not only being a state representative, but gets them onto the national stage and gives them influence nationally.

00:19:47.000 And it's not easy.

00:19:49.000 You can't fake it.

00:19:54.000 Well, I mean, now you have a record and you're not going anywhere.

00:19:57.000 Yeah, I mean, even if it's not the end of the career, it's like you won't be able to capitalize on it.

00:20:02.000 It's really being able to take the attention that you're getting from that and turn it into something tangible.

00:20:07.000 And that's what the really politically talented people can do.

00:20:11.000 And, you know, that's why someone like Donald Trump, I mean, he was a massive star beforehand, but the reason he was a massive star is because he's got that very deep political talent that's really, you know, it's part of his personality.

00:20:25.000 He's got the ability to just charm people's pants off.

00:20:29.000 So that's why Hillary Clinton wanted to go to his wedding. 0.91

00:20:34.000 But anyways, from the post-millennial, in a podcast appearance on Friday, Hillary Clinton said that she would nominate President Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize if he brings an end to the war between Russia and Ukraine without Ukraine having to cede any territory to its eastern neighbor.

00:20:48.000 Clinton told the raging moderate podcast, I understand from everything I've read, he very much would like to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:20:55.000 Honestly, if he could bring about the end to this terrible war where Putin is the aggressor invading a neighbor country, trying to change the borders, if he could end it without putting Ukraine in a position where it had to concede its territory to the aggressor, had to, in a way, validate Putin's version of greater Russia, but instead could really stand up to Putin, something we haven't seen.

00:21:13.000 But maybe this is the opportunity to make it clear that there must be a ceasefire.

00:21:18.000 There will be no exchange of territory and that over a period of time, Putin should actually withdraw from the territory he seized in order to demonstrate his good faith efforts.

00:21:25.000 Let us say, not to threaten European security.

00:21:28.000 If we could pull that off, if President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:21:33.000 Now, I think that she's alluding to also Crimea.

00:21:36.000 I don't imagine that she would, I can't imagine her actually nominating him.

00:21:42.000 I would love.

00:21:42.000 She just wants to see him fail.

00:21:44.000 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 I mean, you were saying she's got it in for him.

00:21:47.000 And look, she thought that she was going to walk into the office of the president without a problem.

00:21:53.000 She thought up till probably 10 p.m. on November 6th, 2016, she thought that was going to happen.

00:22:01.000 So when it turns out that it wasn't, I can understand where her deep, deep hatred of the man comes from.

00:22:08.000 But that doesn't change the fact that she really hates him and she doesn't want to see anything good happen for him.

00:22:14.000 So I would love to see her have to make this, you know, throw his name into the hat. 1.00

00:22:21.000 Haven't they already ceded land, though?

00:22:23.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 Well, in Crimea, yeah, they ceded Crimea.

00:22:26.000 I just feel like it's a non-starter, though.

00:22:28.000 Of course not.

00:22:29.000 That's why she's saying it.

00:22:30.000 She doesn't want to do it.

00:22:31.000 Right.

00:22:31.000 Yeah, it's a 0% chance of happening.

00:22:34.000 Well, it's never zero.

00:22:35.000 You know, there's always a chance that alien monkeys are going to fall down out of the sky.

00:22:40.000 But they already own the territory.

00:22:42.000 I mean, they de facto control it, own it, whatever you want to call it.

00:22:45.000 They control it.

00:22:46.000 Asking them to leave their own territory.

00:22:48.000 I mean, once you control land and it's yours, it's yours.

00:22:51.000 Not only asking.

00:22:55.000 Like, why would I leave my land?

00:22:56.000 It's mine.

00:22:56.000 And not only that, it's really, it's Russian speakers in Crimea now.

00:22:59.000 Like, one of the things that the arguments that Putin made about when he moved into Crimea was like, look, these are Russian people.

00:23:06.000 These are Russians.

00:23:07.000 They speak Russian.

00:23:08.000 They're Russian people.

00:23:09.000 They've actually had votes.

00:23:11.000 Now, some people, the argument that the people in NATO and in Europe say is they're like, well, you know, Putin actually started moving Russian speakers in there and put the people in there and skewed the votes so that way he could justify taking it.

00:23:29.000 Now, I don't know the truth of that.

00:23:30.000 I don't know if it was actually something that Putin planned.

00:23:34.000 You heard stories.

00:23:35.000 I don't know if you remember, but back in 2013 or 14, you heard little green men was a phrase that you heard a lot.

00:23:41.000 They were dudes that were in military garb, but they didn't have any identifying patches.

00:23:46.000 They had no insignia.

00:23:47.000 They were basically paramilitaries carrying out paramilitary operations, but they weren't aligned with anyone.

00:23:54.000 So there were rumors of Russia planning this.

00:23:56.000 And so it could be that was the case, but it doesn't change the fact that it's been part of Russia now for over a decade.

00:24:04.000 And I think that when the U.S. went to Crimea for the, or actually when the whole world went to Crimea for the Olympics, I think that kind of sealed the deal.

00:24:13.000 If the international community really didn't want to acknowledge that Crimea was part of Russia, they would have stayed away from the Olympics.

00:24:22.000 They'd have all boycotted and said, we're not going.

00:24:25.000 You stole this land from Ukraine. 0.99

00:24:28.000 So we're not going to validate it by going to the Olympics.

00:24:32.000 But that ship has sailed, right?

00:24:34.000 Like the U.S. and all of the whole international community went to Crimea.

00:24:39.000 They held the Olympics there.

00:24:40.000 They validated it.

00:24:41.000 So I can't imagine any way that anyone could possibly think Crimea would be going back to Russia.

00:24:47.000 And I don't think that Russia is going to give up the Donbass either.

00:24:50.000 No, I think they're trying to do this just to tarnish the record that Donald has so far.

00:24:54.000 Like they're just trying to make it so that all the victories he's had recently are just going to seem like nothing.

00:24:59.000 Oh, well, he was unable to save Ukraine. 0.92

00:25:02.000 He wasn't unable to get all the land back to Ukraine so they can say, okay, well, he didn't end the war in Congo.

00:25:06.000 He didn't end the war between Thailand and Cambodia.

00:25:08.000 He had nothing to do.

00:25:09.000 It's like, oh, they're just trying to use it to besmirch his name.

00:25:11.000 Of course, they're going to set this crazy goal high in the sky that no one can reach.

00:25:14.000 Yep.

00:25:15.000 He wants classic.

00:25:16.000 I looked up.

00:25:17.000 I was like, what are Putin's demands?

00:25:18.000 Because I asked this question a couple of weeks ago and no one really knew.

00:25:21.000 I think that's by design from our media because they're not that extreme.

00:25:26.000 His demands, there's like, he has six.

00:25:28.000 Two of them in particular are that he wants the land, obviously east of the Donbass and the Crimea and the freeways.

00:25:33.000 But he wants guarantee on paper that they're not going to put Ukraine in NATO and Ukraine's not going to seek NATO.

00:25:39.000 They want Ukraine to be a neutral territory.

00:25:41.000 It's neither controlled by the right or the left, you know, whatever you want to call it, the East or the West.

00:25:47.000 Do you believe that, though?

00:25:48.000 Because the counter argument to that is if Putin takes the, or if Putin is allowed to stay in the Donbass and the Russians take that land, then it becomes a staging area for Putin to actually build up troops, have build military bases, and then later on take more of Ukraine.

00:26:08.000 Because the argument that people that are very anti-Russia have is they're saying, look, he's going to eventually take all of Ukraine.

00:26:17.000 He may not take it all right away.

00:26:19.000 He probably thought he could.

00:26:21.000 But if he could have taken Ukraine when he first invaded, gone all the way to Kiev and taken the whole country, he would have.

00:26:27.000 Now, there are people that will make the argument, oh, and then he's going to go for Poland, then he's going to go for NATO.

00:26:31.000 I don't believe that at all.

00:26:32.000 I don't think he's into North.

00:26:33.000 I don't think that he wants that smoke, honestly.

00:26:35.000 I don't think that he wants to go after Poland.

00:26:38.000 There could be an argument that he wants to take, or there is an argument that he wants to take back the former Soviet states.

00:26:44.000 Yeah, I think that's kind of what you were saying with this Tucker interview way back.

00:26:48.000 He just, I think it seems like he came away wanting to just have what he originally had back in the day.

00:26:55.000 But remember, some of those states are now part of NATO.

00:26:58.000 Yeah.

00:26:58.000 So I don't think that he's willing to Take on NATO, especially seeing how badly, honestly, I mean, all things considered, how badly he's performed in Ukraine.

00:27:09.000 Ukraine is not a heavily armed country.

00:27:12.000 It took a lot of NATO sending weapons and military assets and money to Ukraine for them to stop him.

00:27:22.000 And I think that people expected more out of, or people anticipated more out of Russia's military capability.

00:27:30.000 Now, he could activate more troops.

00:27:32.000 And I don't think that it's something that, or it's a situation where Russia is totally a paper tiger. 0.73

00:27:40.000 But if you look at the situation, Russia's not going to take on NATO.

00:27:45.000 Russia doesn't want to fight the United States.

00:27:49.000 The only thing Russia has is nuclear weapons, right? 0.76

00:27:52.000 They do have nukes.

00:27:53.000 But when it comes to conventional war, they don't want to fight the U.S. because the U.S. would stop a mud hole in them. 1.00

00:27:59.000 Well, not after that introduction into the meeting in that meeting that they had.

00:28:05.000 Well, I mean, you know, like, look, the United States, if they wanted to, it's likely they could fly B-2 bombers right over Moscow and they would never know, right?

00:28:18.000 It's likely that Moscow would have no way to stop them.

00:28:22.000 You know, it's not something I want to test.

00:28:25.000 No, we don't want that.

00:28:26.000 I don't want to test it.

00:28:28.000 But the idea that Russia is going to take on NATO so that way they can get Poland, I think that's far-fetched.

00:28:34.000 And I think that that's just an argument to get people afraid.

00:28:38.000 But it is likely that they would use the Donbass as a staging area to take more of Ukraine in five, 10 years. 0.97

00:28:46.000 Well, that likely, I don't know, potentially, yes, for sure.

00:28:50.000 It'd be like if you have a neighbor and you're like, well, why would I improve my neighbor's quality of life?

00:28:54.000 It's just going to make him more able to destroy me later.

00:28:57.000 You're like, well, my neighbor's not going to destroy me.

00:29:00.000 So maybe if you owned your house.

00:29:02.000 What's that?

00:29:02.000 Unless he wants owned.

00:29:04.000 Unless he wants my territory my river and then control into the Donbass. 0.59

00:29:09.000 So it's really a state of mind.

00:29:11.000 Do you trust it or not?

00:29:12.000 Are you willing to empower your neighbor with the threat, the potential threat that they're going to use that power to destroy you later?

00:29:19.000 This is the human conundrum through all space-time.

00:29:19.000 I don't know.

00:29:22.000 And that's we have civil society where you empower your neighbor.

00:29:25.000 And then we have military society where you make sure that you're the strongest of all, whether that means you got to knock them down a peg or lift yourself up.

00:29:32.000 It's irrelevant in the military almost.

00:29:34.000 Not totally, but you still got to be careful about doing excess damage.

00:29:39.000 Anyway, civil society, trust.

00:29:41.000 If we really want to make peace, then we're going to have to trust.

00:29:44.000 Because, I mean, I'm also like a common sense, there's no other way.

00:29:48.000 They own the territory.

00:29:49.000 What are you going to do?

00:29:51.000 Unless we did a counterinvasion and lost hundreds of thousands of, then we're the attackers going into the defense of entrenchments.

00:29:57.000 And it's like, I don't.

00:29:58.000 We don't want that.

00:29:59.000 No, I'd rather be allies than buy cheap people.

00:30:01.000 People apparently want that, but the protesters apparently want that, but common sense people don't want that.

00:30:06.000 People that are like, just take it back.

00:30:07.000 I'm like, have you been to a front line of a military in a trench with the artillery going on?

00:30:11.000 Well, I see the movies.

00:30:13.000 And you don't get the artillery doesn't, have you ever hear a building get demolished next to you, like the vibration in your gut that will change you forever just from that?

00:30:20.000 For these dudes that are in there for months at a time.

00:30:23.000 Fortunately, we've kind of evolved away from trench warfare.

00:30:25.000 Now we've got drone warfare.

00:30:26.000 Oh, they haven't evolved away from trench warfare at all.

00:30:29.000 They're shelling people in trenches.

00:30:31.000 There is still, that's the majority of what's going on and it rains in Ukraine right now.

00:30:37.000 Boots get all wet, trench football amputated.

00:30:40.000 That's why they don't, that's why the lines haven't moved because trench warfare is brutal and that's exactly what's going on.

00:30:48.000 They go underground.

00:30:48.000 Yes, of course there are drones now, and it does change the battlefield, but trench warfare is still the combat method of the day.

00:31:00.000 It's impressive that, I mean, I'm still thinking in World War I in two terms, that the Russians actually were able to take that much territory, thinking, but I guess we have modern airplanes and things that can take out the backlines and not only that, Russia has far more military capability than Ukraine.

00:31:18.000 And, you know, Ukraine doesn't have a significant air force.

00:31:20.000 And Russia was probably preparing to do this for a while.

00:31:23.000 I mean, I'm sure they were.

00:31:24.000 They put up the, you know, they started massing military assets on the on the border.

00:31:30.000 And no one thought that Russia was actually, or a lot of people were like, Russia's not going to go in.

00:31:35.000 Russia wouldn't, they wouldn't go into Ukraine.

00:31:36.000 There's no way they would.

00:31:38.000 But when Biden was like, surge the border, Putin was like, oh, he's talking to me.

00:31:43.000 Time for my invasion.

00:31:44.000 Can you just walk a military exercise into someone else's country and have it not be an attack too? 0.57

00:31:49.000 Because that was like originally what he was saying.

00:31:51.000 Like, that's kind of weird.

00:31:53.000 In the Crimea, they marched in. 0.76

00:31:55.000 Well, no.

00:31:55.000 No.

00:31:57.000 I forgot exactly where.

00:31:58.000 I think 2022 when they actually made the start of the invasion.

00:32:01.000 He expected that they were going to be like, we welcome you as heroes and liberators.

00:32:04.000 And then they opened the doors.

00:32:05.000 And there was, I think that's what he wanted.

00:32:07.000 He was trying to create that narrative with people.

00:32:10.000 No, no, he, like, like I said, he was, he was looking to take the whole country. 0.63

00:32:13.000 He was trying to get to Kiev.

00:32:16.000 Well, there was a, there was an actual attack that was, or there was a convoy of military vehicles that were, you know, made a run for Kiev.

00:32:23.000 They were looking to take Kiev.

00:32:24.000 They were looking to take the whole country because he does want to take the country overall.

00:32:30.000 And that's part of why the argument against allowing them to stay in the areas that they've taken is a strong argument.

00:32:37.000 It's part of why it's such a compelling argument because it is likely that he will just try to take another bite once things cool off a little bit.

00:32:44.000 And like if they neutralize Ukraine and it truly becomes a neutral territory, what would that be?

00:32:50.000 Like they want it to be neutral.

00:32:50.000 What do you mean, neutralized?

00:32:52.000 Like Spain that's neutral in World War II, you know?

00:32:54.000 That's what no elite wants.

00:32:56.000 Putin wants Ukraine to be a neutral territory as part of his demands, meaning it's not beholden to NATO or NATO, yeah.

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 Or Russian influence.

00:33:04.000 But like, how do you guarantee that's actually happening?

00:33:06.000 Because there's still going to be massive influence underneath the surface if they say, okay.

00:33:10.000 Yeah, I mean, as long as, well, because of the location, Ukraine is going to have either influence by the East, by the Western countries or influenced by Russia.

00:33:23.000 Like, that's just kind of the way that it's going to be.

00:33:25.000 And the reason Russia doesn't want NATO in Ukraine is because, you know, Russia, Putin wants to take more of the country.

00:33:33.000 Doesn't he like any deal that's going to make him happy, or is he just going to.

00:33:37.000 Personally, I think that what he'll do or what he might do, and I'm not, I'm not, I can't predict what the guy's going to do.

00:33:44.000 I'm not nearly educated enough to do that.

00:33:46.000 But what he might do is just say, okay, I'll make a deal for this area here and let us stay here and then we'll stop fighting.

00:33:56.000 There will be a ceasefire and then it'll be a couple years.

00:33:59.000 And then he'll try again.

00:34:01.000 That's what he did with Crimea.

00:34:02.000 He took Crimea. 0.64

00:34:03.000 Then a couple years, then, you know, whatever, eight, nine years later, when the situation was favorable, when we had a president that wouldn't fight back, that he looked at as weak.

00:34:13.000 A house plant.

00:34:14.000 A house plant, like you said earlier.

00:34:15.000 Exactly.

00:34:16.000 When Joe Biden was the president, when he thought that he could get away with it, he's like, all right, well, now's the time.

00:34:21.000 And he went in.

00:34:22.000 Who the president is does matter.

00:34:24.000 And what the president says does matter.

00:34:26.000 There's a lot of people that blame the United States for Russia taking Crimea.

00:34:33.000 And you can actually go back to when Barack Obama met with Medvedev and said, tell Vladimir that I've got, this is, I think, in 2012, tell Vladimir that I've got, I will have much more flexibility after my election.

00:34:46.000 And what Vladimir and what Vladimir Putin and what Medvedev heard was you can invade and take Crimea after my election.

00:34:59.000 So that way I don't have to worry about the political repercussions.

00:35:02.000 I won't fight you.

00:35:03.000 We won't have significant problems or you won't see significant resistance from the U.S. and NATO if you go in after I'm re-elected.

00:35:11.000 Just don't make this problem for me before my election.

00:35:13.000 Now, that was naivete on President Obama's part.

00:35:19.000 He thought that, oh, everybody wants the same thing and everybody can just get along and be happy.

00:35:25.000 And he'll understand that I'm just saying, don't do this now.

00:35:29.000 And we'll talk about it more later or whatever.

00:35:32.000 But what Putin heard was, don't go in until after I get re-elected.

00:35:37.000 And that's exactly what happened.

00:35:39.000 So that was, you know, that was, some people would say that that was the president of the United States giving Vladimir Putin the green light to do it.

00:35:47.000 And consequently, he didn't.

00:35:49.000 So it does matter who the president is, and it does matter how you deal with people like Putin, because it is true that, you know, Putin is a, you know, is a warmonger. 0.78

00:35:59.000 He does kill people that criticize him.

00:36:01.000 Like he shot a missile at the leader of the Wagner group and blew his helicopter out of the sky because he thought there was a coup against or going to be a coup against him.

00:36:11.000 That's how things are done in Russia.

00:36:13.000 So the idea that things in Russia are done the same way that they're done in the United States is a gross misunderstanding of how things are done or of the reality of the situation.

00:36:25.000 I was thinking about Putin, you know, Naeb Bukele. 0.65

00:36:28.000 They just in El Salvador, they just repealed presidential term limits so now he can be president for life.

00:36:33.000 Really?

00:36:33.000 Bukele can.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, they did this a couple weeks ago.

00:36:35.000 I don't know if you guys have reported on it.

00:36:36.000 It's pretty stark news, to be honest.

00:36:38.000 Yay, hero Bukele, but now he's the dictator.

00:36:43.000 No, no, no, no.

00:36:44.000 He's not a dictator because just because he can be elected doesn't mean he will be re-elected.

00:36:48.000 And just because he's president doesn't mean he's influencing the elections, but he can, doesn't mean he is.

00:36:54.000 So anyway, what's that?

00:36:56.000 Why do you think that he's, I mean, he's got an approval rate of something like 80% because he's cleaned up the country and made it safer people.

00:37:04.000 I mean, if he gets re-elected, it will likely be a legitimate re-election.

00:37:10.000 Exactly.

00:37:11.000 And I think they like him and they will.

00:37:13.000 And the problem is I think he looks around Bukele and he's like, all right, no one is going to be able to do this like me. 0.96

00:37:18.000 If I give this control over to the next president, he's going to fuck this up.

00:37:21.000 All these things are going to fall apart. 0.93

00:37:22.000 Everything I've worked for is going to fail.

00:37:24.000 I think Putin has that same mindset.

00:37:26.000 After he left office in like 2003 or four or something.

00:37:29.000 Well, he was the prime minister.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, he was done.

00:37:32.000 And then all of a sudden, it was like he couldn't go.

00:37:34.000 He was the prime minister.

00:37:35.000 He wasn't done.

00:37:37.000 He just went into a different two guy the number one.

00:37:40.000 And then they switched.

00:37:42.000 But I got this feeling that it was like he doesn't want to let go because he thinks the next guy's going to screw it all up.

00:37:42.000 Yeah.

00:37:47.000 And until he sees someone competent that he believes can do it better than him or as good, he's going to like, he's just gripping and gripping.

00:37:53.000 And it's my sense that it's more he's looking to retain power than actually worried about who the successor would be.

00:38:02.000 Because like he'll get slaughtered as soon as he's out of power.

00:38:04.000 Oh, that's a possibility for sure.

00:38:06.000 I think that he just wants to stay in power.

00:38:08.000 I think he's going to stay and he's a dictator and he's going to stay in power until he dies.

00:38:11.000 Also interesting.

00:38:12.000 My mom just texted me and said Russia took Crimea on Clinton and Obama watch.

00:38:17.000 Yeah.

00:38:17.000 I mean, Obama was the president.

00:38:19.000 Yes.

00:38:19.000 And like just, you know, like we said, Obama kind of gave, some would argue that Obama gave him the green light.

00:38:24.000 So we're going to jump to this story here, bring it back to the United States.

00:38:28.000 From for Washington, from NBC Washington, D.C. police chief remains in charge after federal hostile takeover attempt, AG says.

00:38:37.000 D.C.'s chief of police remains the chief of police.

00:38:40.000 The district attorneys general said after a court hearing on what he called a hostile takeover attempt by the federal government.

00:38:46.000 He called the judge's decision a very important win for home rule.

00:38:50.000 Less than 12 hours after the Trump administration seemingly replaced Washington, D.C.'s police chief with a federal officer, the district was in federal court on Friday to try to block the move.

00:38:59.000 Attorney General Brian Schwab filed a lawsuit against the federal government, claiming President Donald Trump far exceeded the authority granted him in D.C.'s Home Rule Act and the Administrative Procedure Act and the U.S. Constitution.

00:39:12.000 I don't know that that's correct about the Constitution, at least, because the Constitution does lay out that the district area is not an actual state.

00:39:25.000 It's an area that is actually controlled by the feds, if I understand correctly.

00:39:28.000 So don't quote me and I could be wrong.

00:39:30.000 I think you're right, but I don't know.

00:39:32.000 The federal judge overseeing the lawsuit said the law doesn't allow the federal government to name a new police chief, but the city can't completely keep them out either.

00:39:40.000 U.S. District Judge Ann Reyes asked the two sides to hammer out a compromise, but promised to issue a court order temporary blocking the administration from naming a new chief if they couldn't agree.

00:39:50.000 I'm encouraged by the judge's remarks and the federal government making the changes that were suggested and the judge's willingness to rule if that's not satisfactory, Mayor Muriel Bowser said after the hearing.

00:40:01.000 How D.C. enforces federal immigration laws in response to homeless people are key issues.

00:40:06.000 D.C. and federal officials are expected to keep talking over the weekend about the general orders that Drug Enforcement Administration boss Terry Cole rescinded.

00:40:15.000 Now, how they deal with homeless people is something that legitimately is for D.C. to decide on its own, but they do have to deal with homeless people.

00:40:27.000 But when it comes to things like immigration, that's ICE.

00:40:31.000 And it's always ICE.

00:40:33.000 It's always Homeland Security and immigration and customs enforcement.

00:40:39.000 There's no gray area about that.

00:40:42.000 The localities, when they're sanctuary cities, all that means is our local police forces aren't going to help the federal officers.

00:40:53.000 But that doesn't mean that the federal officers don't have jurisdiction over immigration and customs and stuff.

00:40:58.000 So when they're dealing with illegal immigrants, it's always ICE's, you know, it's always ICE's jurisdiction.

00:41:04.000 Yeah.

00:41:05.000 So I don't know that there's that there's an argument to be had about that.

00:41:09.000 Well, the gray area I would argue about, I think that, because it's like, this is a thing about being a human.

00:41:14.000 You're told law and order are the most, are very important, law and order, uphold the law.

00:41:19.000 But then it's like you watch what happened with the Nazis persecuting the Jews and like people hiding Jewish people in their homes and lying and protecting them overtly.

00:41:28.000 And they were the good guys in the story from where the way I heard the story were the people that violated the law and that were like, no, we're doing what we believe is right for our people for our neighbors.

00:41:39.000 You're some federal cop.

00:41:40.000 Do you believe that it's comp that hiding Jews from the Nazis is comparable to hiding illegal immigrants from ICE?

00:41:40.000 Get out of my house.

00:41:50.000 Technically, yeah, comparable, not the same at all, not the same at all.

00:41:54.000 And different levels, of course, the immigration thing is way, way less abhorrent than persecuting a religion, religious people, or a culture in your society.

00:42:04.000 Much, much worse.

00:42:05.000 But the motions behind it of like, I'm protecting my neighbors from the federal people that are in here from DC, like that, that's a real, and it's, and we've been encouraged as Americans to do that.

00:42:17.000 When the king comes and tries to take your land, you're like, get out of my land.

00:42:20.000 This is our country now.

00:42:22.000 We govern this, us.

00:42:24.000 What?

00:42:25.000 This is what we told the British to kick rocks when they tried to come in and find our terrorists and arrest our terrorists, George Washington and John Adams, these guys.

00:42:34.000 So this is just the thing.

00:42:36.000 You see both sides of the mind working against the people.

00:42:38.000 I think that it's a significant, when you're talking about illegal immigrants versus an actual rebellion of Englishmen against Englishmen, I think it's a different thing.

00:42:51.000 And I also think that it's a very different thing when you're talking about Jews being hidden by Germans from the Nazis.

00:42:59.000 The thing is, law and order isn't always good.

00:43:02.000 Sometimes law and order is evil.

00:43:03.000 And if you have evil law and order to deport people, I don't.

00:43:06.000 I mean, I don't think so.

00:43:07.000 No.

00:43:07.000 And I'm trying to get it.

00:43:09.000 I think some people do think it's evil.

00:43:10.000 So they're going through this moral thing of like, I need to protect my neighbors from the ignorance.

00:43:18.000 Like ignorance of like the law.

00:43:18.000 If you think about it.

00:43:20.000 And like, what did you say?

00:43:22.000 If you think Trump is Hitler.

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:26.000 I mean, everybody's Hitler. 0.93

00:43:27.000 That's the, that's the, because, yeah, when, when the Nazis took over, the law became determined by the objectively bad guys. 0.72

00:43:35.000 And so to break the law was good in that situation.

00:43:39.000 So I guess if you think Trump is like that, is Germany, you know, after the beer hall putsch and all that stuff with Hitler in power, then you think breaking this law is good.

00:43:53.000 Which is, I think, is devoid of, you know, reason to do that because the media has been pushing that on people too, like saying Trump is Hitler and things like that.

00:44:01.000 Right.

00:44:01.000 So there's this.

00:44:03.000 And then they get the woman crying as the baby's being taken out of her hands when a picture.

00:44:07.000 Oh, look at baby crying. 1.00

00:44:09.000 It's all about the constitution.

00:44:11.000 It's out of not knowing too and ignorance and not paying attention.

00:44:16.000 Ignorance of the law does not.

00:44:17.000 Right, right.

00:44:18.000 No, no, I know.

00:44:18.000 Yeah.

00:44:19.000 So even if they don't know, still guilty.

00:44:22.000 Oh, 100%.

00:44:22.000 Yeah.

00:44:23.000 I'm just saying like for some of them, they might actually just be genuinely stupid. 1.00

00:44:29.000 Might. 1.00

00:44:32.000 I mean, the moral dilemma is just, it's concurrent.

00:44:34.000 It's going to have to come up again in the future in a different way.

00:44:36.000 I don't see it as a moral dilemma because I think that it's immoral to allow people to stay here if they're illegal.

00:44:42.000 Right, the other thing is that it is a problem for the existing people.

00:44:47.000 If only because of the stuff that we talk about with the census, right?

00:44:52.000 If you're going to count all of the people, not the citizens, but all of the people, the people, and then that's how the apportionment of representation In the federal government is calculated.

00:45:04.000 That means that all of the illegals that are here are diluting the political power of the citizens, right? 1.00

00:45:12.000 This is a little, this is, this is an, it's a few degrees removed, and it takes being able to think of downstream consequences to actually really to understand how this matters.

00:45:26.000 But it's not moral to take the power of the voting power away from the existing population, the citizens, the people that have lived, that have lived here their whole lives, and dilute that power by counting people that are not citizens.

00:45:44.000 That's an immoral act, too.

00:45:46.000 So I understand there is a care argument.

00:45:50.000 Well, we need to care for these people.

00:45:52.000 They're here.

00:45:54.000 We want to be compassionate and we want to see these people live productive lives.

00:45:59.000 And it's mean to deport them.

00:46:01.000 And it's mean to have ICE pick them up.

00:46:05.000 And it's mean to make it hard for them to live here.

00:46:09.000 And we want to be nice, but that does not mean that it's moral to allow them to stay here.

00:46:16.000 It's immoral to allow them to stay here because they came here and broke the law.

00:46:20.000 And people that try to come here legally, that have been waiting, that have spent money, it's immoral.

00:46:27.000 It does them a disservice.

00:46:29.000 It's immoral to them.

00:46:30.000 It's moral to get the people that are here trying to break, that have broken the law to get here and that are violating the law by being here.

00:46:38.000 It's actually the moral action to round those people up and send them back home or make it difficult for them to live here so that way they leave of their own volition.

00:46:48.000 I think it's a group of both positive and negative morals.

00:46:52.000 It's immoral and moral.

00:46:53.000 There's a lot of different moralities happening at once.

00:46:56.000 So it would be like if you yell at your kid to stop doing something, is that moral or immoral?

00:47:00.000 Well, one parent might argue it's the moral thing to do because now they're not going to do the thing anymore.

00:47:03.000 Whereas the other parent's going to argue it's immoral because now the kid's traumatized.

00:47:06.000 What's the kid trying to do?

00:47:08.000 Because if one kid's punching his brother.

00:47:10.000 Yeah, as you run into the street, the conversation gets more nuanced.

00:47:13.000 What are these people trying to do here?

00:47:14.000 Like just their presence is diluting the voting base.

00:47:17.000 That's a problem, a big immoral problem to allow.

00:47:20.000 I agree with that.

00:47:20.000 Now, grabbing them in the middle of the night, dragging them out by their hair and sending them to a Salvadorian prison, also immoral, Mike.

00:47:26.000 So hold on.

00:47:27.000 How is it happening?

00:47:28.000 So you're dragging them out by their hair.

00:47:31.000 You're coloring the conversation here.

00:47:33.000 I'm just adding nuance to the...

00:47:36.000 That's coloring the conversation.

00:47:37.000 That's the instance of a possible immoral way to deal with an immoral situation.

00:47:41.000 But the point is you're trying to make the action of rounding the people up that are here illegally.

00:47:48.000 You're trying to make the action of doing it a violent, aggressive, malice, malicious action.

00:47:55.000 And it's not malicious.

00:47:58.000 The ICE agents that are going to get people that are here illegally, they're not doing it out of malice.

00:48:05.000 There is not a situation where they're like, let's go hurt them.

00:48:09.000 It's not about hurting them.

00:48:10.000 So grabbing them by their hair and yanking them out of bed.

00:48:14.000 That is adding malice to the action.

00:48:16.000 That is you coloring what's going on.

00:48:20.000 So that way people feel bad for the people that are here illegally and feel like the people enforcing the law are the bad guys.

00:48:26.000 It's less about grabbing by the hair, more about taking them without their stuff, leaving their stuff behind.

00:48:31.000 Like that they don't, ICE doesn't have a, I mean, they might have to go get their stuff eventually and send it.

00:48:36.000 That's why they should leave of their own volition.

00:48:38.000 I agree with that.

00:48:39.000 I do agree with that.

00:48:40.000 That's a nice way to kind of create a moralistic solution because there are lots of ways to solve this immoral problem in an even more immoral way.

00:48:47.000 So we got to be careful about introducing rounding people up at gunpoint, having them stripped down and like, you know, marching them naked through the street, whatever.

00:48:59.000 Are they actually happening through malicious?

00:49:02.000 I just can't do it.

00:49:04.000 I think they're doing that to like illegal gang members and I'm okay with it.

00:49:06.000 But are they actually doing that?

00:49:09.000 I haven't seen.

00:49:10.000 Well, it's just, I keep thinking about Sin Frontera, the documentary that 6-7 Kevin just made about how these people get here in the first place and how horrifying it is on their way here and some don't make it and most of them get assaulted in all terrible kinds of ways.

00:49:28.000 And it kind of sends a message like, hey, we're not incentivizing you to continue to do it that way because if you did it that way, you're going back.

00:49:38.000 It is a tough moral thing to think about because like hurting, you know.

00:49:44.000 If you make it difficult to live here and you make there be significant repercussions for coming here illegally, that is to deter people from coming.

00:49:56.000 The point is, you have to have negative consequences for coming here illegally.

00:50:01.000 It can't just be, oh, they were picked up, they got processed, sent back, and then they decided they just want to come back and they snuck through again.

00:50:10.000 You have to make negative consequences for coming here.

00:50:14.000 You can't come back ever.

00:50:15.000 You'll never be an American citizen if you get picked up.

00:50:18.000 You should, and I've talked about this multiple times in the show.

00:50:21.000 You shouldn't be able to rent a place to live.

00:50:24.000 And if the people that are, if the people, if there's someone that owns property that's renting to an illegal, they should face significant fines, jail time, and possibly loss of their property.

00:50:33.000 Same thing with people giving jobs to illegals.

00:50:36.000 If you employ an illegal, you should face jail time, significant legal repercussions, possibly loss of property.

00:50:44.000 Because right now they're not afraid of the law.

00:50:45.000 So they're not listening to the law.

00:50:47.000 You have to make them afraid.

00:50:48.000 And it should be something there's, you know, Democrats say this all the time, and they're actually right about this.

00:50:53.000 They're always like, oh, you know, well, the people that hire them never get in trouble.

00:50:56.000 You're right.

00:50:57.000 They should.

00:50:58.000 They should lose their property.

00:50:59.000 They should lose their businesses.

00:51:01.000 It should be too scary to hire illegals. 1.00

00:51:04.000 And illegals should have a hard time finding a job. 1.00

00:51:07.000 And illegals should have a hard time finding a place to live. 1.00

00:51:10.000 And that way they'll say, it's not worth coming to America because there's no benefit for me anymore.

00:51:16.000 No one can find a place to rent.

00:51:18.000 I can't find a place to rent to me.

00:51:20.000 I can't find a job.

00:51:20.000 No one will hire me because if they do, if the place gets raided by ICE, then they might lose their business.

00:51:29.000 And remittances to other countries, tax that at 90%.

00:51:33.000 You want to send money to send money back home?

00:51:36.000 You can only send 5% of what you've made.

00:51:39.000 And all that money goes to the federal government.

00:51:41.000 So they can't send their money back.

00:51:43.000 So they stuff their tax remittances.

00:51:46.000 I'm not sure exactly the method, but they can do it, whether it be wiring money.

00:51:51.000 It's possible that people would do things like buy crypto and get around it that way.

00:51:55.000 But again, to buy crypto, there's a lot of crypto companies where you have to, you know, KYC remotely.

00:52:00.000 It's all tracked on our network, too.

00:52:01.000 Eventually, that stuff's coming back.

00:52:03.000 All your crypto trades are public.

00:52:05.000 So, and it should be difficult to come to the United States and take advantage of basically loose liberal immigration laws.

00:52:14.000 And if you do that, then you don't have a situation where people are getting ripped out of their homes by their hair and traips through the streets naked at night.

00:52:24.000 You know, it just doesn't happen because they're like, F this, I'm going home.

00:52:27.000 You know, I can't get a job here.

00:52:29.000 It's not worth coming to the United States.

00:52:30.000 Is it happening?

00:52:31.000 It's worth it if you do it the legal way.

00:52:33.000 Yes.

00:52:33.000 My dad did it.

00:52:34.000 Sure.

00:52:35.000 My dad came from Africa.

00:52:38.000 Surge did it.

00:52:40.000 And it took him like 10 years and thousands of dollars.

00:52:46.000 Not saying it's easy.

00:52:47.000 It's not easy to become an American citizen.

00:52:50.000 But if you think it's worth it, then do it.

00:52:54.000 But don't do it the illegal way because just like you said, it undermines the people that come here and they do it the legal way.

00:52:59.000 The people that wait years upon years upon years and spend hundreds and hundreds and thousands of dollars.

00:53:05.000 It's a slap in the face to everybody.

00:53:06.000 And then it's also a slap in the face to the actual American citizens.

00:53:11.000 And it disrupts our safety, our resources.

00:53:15.000 It's just like, yes, it's, I can see the point in like morally, immorally, but I don't think it's immoral to take lawbreakers out and put them back where they came.

00:53:26.000 And it's also, it's the same thing too with like how people like to blame ICE for, you know, taking parents and their children and like putting them back.

00:53:36.000 And it's like, why don't you blame the parents for putting their children in that situation in the first place?

00:53:41.000 How do you think they got there?

00:53:42.000 Probably through the cartel.

00:53:44.000 They risked their own child's life to come here the illegal way when they could have done it the right way.

00:53:51.000 It's just possible.

00:53:51.000 What was your dad's experience like?

00:53:53.000 Did he talk about it much explicitly?

00:53:55.000 No, I was young.

00:53:56.000 So he came to America before I was born because he met my mom here.

00:54:02.000 He was actually born in Mozambique, fled during the communist regime.

00:54:08.000 My Va Vaugh got a job with the U.S. Embassy.

00:54:11.000 And then him and his brother, my uncle, they came to America separate times, but they both came with green card.

00:54:20.000 And then he met my mom, and he wanted to become an American citizen.

00:54:25.000 And again, it took him like 10 years.

00:54:28.000 Did they get married?

00:54:29.000 And then he got his citizenship.

00:54:31.000 Yeah, they got, yeah, he got his citizenship when I was in like fourth grade.

00:54:35.000 And then, so they move here.

00:54:37.000 Did they get a green card upon entry?

00:54:38.000 I mean, this is a basic question.

00:54:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:41.000 I believe so.

00:54:42.000 I believe that's what he had.

00:54:44.000 And then he went through the process of getting a citizenship.

00:54:47.000 But he was never here.

00:54:48.000 There was never a point where he was here illegally.

00:54:51.000 Like he was always making sure that his card and whatnot, you know, never expired and everything.

00:54:58.000 And it's tough and it's hard and you're going to spend a lot of money.

00:55:02.000 And I don't think the system is perfect.

00:55:04.000 I do think that there needs to be some sort of reform.

00:55:07.000 I'm not saying it needs to be like easier in the sense, but just, you know, I was talking, I can't remember his name, but I was talking about it out there.

00:55:15.000 And it's like the system isn't perfect, but still, it doesn't mean that it gives you a right to come here illegally when hundreds of thousands of people are coming here and doing it the legal way and they're waiting.

00:55:26.000 I've heard that some of the people that are the most upset with the illegal immigration are the legal immigrants. 0.62

00:55:31.000 Yeah, my dad is pissed.

00:55:33.000 Rightfully so.

00:55:34.000 I would be so rightfully so.

00:55:37.000 What a violation of social.

00:55:41.000 He has a, I'm telling all his secrets.

00:55:43.000 He has a bald eagle tattoo on his shoulder and that says an American citizen or whatever.

00:55:49.000 And he's like, I want to laser it off.

00:55:52.000 Oh, hold on.

00:55:54.000 It's terrible.

00:55:56.000 He's like, no, he loves America.

00:55:58.000 He loves America.

00:55:59.000 He doesn't want to see it turn into the country he fled from.

00:56:02.000 In a way, people that come here legally obviously love this country to put yourself through 10 years of his own business, his own construction business.

00:56:11.000 He made a great life for himself and his family.

00:56:13.000 It's possible.

00:56:15.000 It's hard work, but like if you really want to be here, it's possible.

00:56:20.000 You can't take the easy way out.

00:56:22.000 I guess maybe what immigration, some people say like put a total freeze on immigration for the moment, whatever that would look like.

00:56:27.000 I don't know.

00:56:27.000 There's people waiting.

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 And then what, like digitize the process so that it happens faster?

00:56:33.000 You said that needs some reform?

00:56:35.000 I mean, it does suck to wait 10 years to get citizenship, especially when it's, it's most likely, of course, the ones that are doing it the legal way are the ones that really love this country and believe in the American dream and want to make a life for themselves.

00:56:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:50.000 And they know that they can do it.

00:56:52.000 And America's, you know, the great, they think America is the greatest country in the world.

00:56:56.000 And it sucks that they have to be the ones to go through this long process of spending a bunch of money and waiting a bunch of years to do it.

00:57:04.000 I don't know.

00:57:05.000 I don't know what the reform should be, but I, you know, it's not easy.

00:57:13.000 So I want them to know English.

00:57:15.000 Yeah.

00:57:16.000 Well, my dad, my dad knows English, so that's good.

00:57:19.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 He knew it before?

00:57:20.000 Yeah.

00:57:21.000 Well, because my Volvo worked at the U.S. Embassy in Portugal.

00:57:25.000 So that's your grandfather?

00:57:28.000 No, it's funny.

00:57:29.000 Volvo is technically grandfather in Portuguese, but when I was younger, that's all I really knew how to say was Volvo.

00:57:35.000 So it's your dad?

00:57:36.000 No, it's my grandmother.

00:57:38.000 Oh.

00:57:38.000 Yeah.

00:57:38.000 So my dad's mom.

00:57:40.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 She worked at the embassy.

00:57:42.000 Yeah.

00:57:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:43.000 So they were Americanized.

00:57:45.000 I could go on and on, man.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, I know.

00:57:47.000 Well, maybe, maybe you guys can have him here.

00:57:50.000 He'll talk all about it, all his story and everything.

00:57:53.000 It's not a bad idea.

00:57:54.000 Did you?

00:57:55.000 Did you come from South Africa to America and then get your citizenship?

00:57:58.000 What was your process?

00:58:00.000 Yeah, it's roughly the same as that.

00:58:01.000 You just sat in a waiting line for.

00:58:03.000 Yeah, I sit in the IRS lines for like 10 hours.

00:58:05.000 It was crazy.

00:58:06.000 In California, back when Democrats didn't want me in this country.

00:58:06.000 Over and over again?

00:58:09.000 Oh, Democrats used to hate coming to the country because we would like add to the tax base.

00:58:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:15.000 We were more people that were that they didn't, they didn't like, they weren't like super cool with immigrants.

00:58:19.000 Remember, Obama was like the deporter in chief.

00:58:21.000 Everyone forgets that.

00:58:22.000 You're like, oh, but we suddenly need open borders.

00:58:24.000 No, dude.

00:58:25.000 Since when?

00:58:26.000 Since when?

00:58:27.000 Was it like it's worth it's it's worth noting like The difficulty of becoming a citizen is a feature.

00:58:34.000 It's not a bug.

00:58:36.000 Like you should have to work hard to become an American.

00:58:40.000 And one of the reasons is because the people that will put the effort in actually care about the ideals this country was founded on.

00:58:50.000 People that will go, will come to the United States and go through all of the stuff, pay all the money, show up for their hearings that they have to do, do all the things that you're supposed to do to come here legally.

00:59:02.000 Those people care about being Americans.

00:59:06.000 They care about being Americans more than most Americans that are born here because they see the value in it.

00:59:13.000 They know what it's like to not be an American.

00:59:16.000 One of the things that we talk about, you know, I think that you shouldn't be allowed to come to the United States if you don't believe in the values the United States has.

00:59:25.000 So if you're a communist, you shouldn't be like, it should be perfect.

00:59:28.000 It should be to visit or to move here, you mean?

00:59:30.000 Either.

00:59:31.000 Either.

00:59:31.000 Me up, right?

00:59:32.000 I don't care.

00:59:33.000 I mean, it should be a privilege to come to the United States.

00:59:36.000 So yeah, if you're a communist and you're only coming because you want to visit, like, I don't, I don't see any reason to grant you a visa.

00:59:43.000 I mean, if you're looking to escape your communist country and you want to become a citizen, you're looking to defect or whatever.

00:59:50.000 You know, I don't know.

00:59:50.000 I don't even know if there are countries where you can defect from anymore.

00:59:54.000 But if you're looking to escape a common country and you want to come to the United States and you hold our values in high esteem, like then, okay, you got an argument.

01:00:01.000 You know, then maybe we can figure something out.

01:00:04.000 But there's no reason to be like, oh, yeah, you're from a communist country.

01:00:07.000 So it's fine that you come here to visit.

01:00:09.000 They're like, I just want, I want to learn about democracy.

01:00:11.000 What's the problem?

01:00:12.000 You don't care.

01:00:13.000 The internet works.

01:00:14.000 That's what Google's for.

01:00:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:16.000 I don't want to immerse myself in the culture.

01:00:18.000 No, no, no.

01:00:20.000 No.

01:00:22.000 Northeast Asia.

01:00:23.000 We don't need it.

01:00:24.000 The point is, it should be a privilege to come to the United States because the United States is the greatest country in the world, in my opinion.

01:00:31.000 It should be a privilege to come here.

01:00:32.000 It should be hard to become a citizen and it should take significant effort.

01:00:38.000 So that way we don't just have people that are like, well, I'm going to get there and I'm going to get a job and then I'm going to act like all the people in California that were protesting ICE, that were like waving Mexican flags and saying, you know, we hate America.

01:00:52.000 Well, you live here.

01:00:53.000 Okay, then go back.

01:00:54.000 Get out.

01:00:55.000 If you don't love America.

01:00:56.000 Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

01:00:58.000 Absolutely.

01:00:59.000 We have, like, if you're an American and you're born here and you're an American citizen and you want to, if you hate America, we can't do nothing about it.

01:01:07.000 You're an American citizen.

01:01:08.000 It's just like if you have like a crappy relative, they're your relative.

01:01:13.000 You can't do anything about it.

01:01:13.000 Deal with it.

01:01:15.000 But if you have a crappy neighbor, you don't have to let that crappy neighbor come into your house and tell you how crappy your house is. 0.98

01:01:22.000 You don't have to allow it. 0.97

01:01:23.000 You can just be like, get out of here then.

01:01:24.000 You know, something I also is sort of a through line is I feel, I believe, and I hope that in the future, when people move to a state, they don't get voting rights until they live there for three years.

01:01:35.000 For five years, five years?

01:01:36.000 Five years.

01:01:37.000 Some amount of time, a long time that you're now you're a resident.

01:01:40.000 You've been here.

01:01:40.000 You know the land.

01:01:41.000 You know the people.

01:01:42.000 It's three years at least, five years.

01:01:43.000 So I think extending that to immigrants also would be fine, especially those that are here illegally shouldn't be counted on a census, first of all. 1.00

01:01:51.000 It makes absolutely no sense.

01:01:52.000 It's completely logical.

01:01:53.000 And then I'd like to say that.

01:01:54.000 That would probably take a constitutional amendment, though.

01:01:57.000 Which one?

01:01:57.000 It would take an amendment because right now, the way the census rules are written, it just says count the people.

01:02:05.000 It doesn't say count the citizens.

01:02:07.000 So if you live here, unless you're Indians not taxed. 1.00

01:02:12.000 So it's possible that the Supreme Court would read it and would say that there's a way to read it that says they're not talking about people that are here illegally.

01:02:25.000 But the letter of the law now, it says they count the people not including Indians not taxed.

01:02:34.000 And then three-fifths are a totally different thing.

01:02:37.000 That's totally different.

01:02:38.000 That was not a census thing?

01:02:40.000 Weren't they counting bodies?

01:02:41.000 Yes, it is, but that's not the same.

01:02:44.000 It's a different thing.

01:02:44.000 They're talking about slaves.

01:02:46.000 Slaves are three-fifths.

01:02:47.000 There are no longer slaves.

01:02:49.000 So no one has counted three-fifths.

01:02:50.000 And then that led to someone being like, well, what if we treat the people that are here illegally as three-fifths count towards the census until the bodies are sent back home? 0.63

01:02:59.000 I don't imagine that the SCOTUS will find that.

01:03:01.000 I mean, it's possible.

01:03:03.000 And this all, this is just me pontificating.

01:03:05.000 It's not law.

01:03:07.000 so what the SCOTUS would actually say is what would really matter.

01:03:11.000 But it's my sense that the way that SCOTUS would rule is, well, it says in the Constitution, count the people.

01:03:18.000 So you have to count the people.

01:03:19.000 And I think that that's part of why you should make it super hard for illegals to live here. 1.00

01:03:26.000 There's nothing in the Constitution that says you have to force, you know, you can't punish businesses or punish renters for renting to illegals or for, you know, and you have to provide ID to rent in most places.

01:03:40.000 You have to provide ID to get a job.

01:03:43.000 So there are plenty of means to make it difficult for illegals to stay here. 0.95

01:03:47.000 But I think that when it comes to the actual census, what you have to do is get them to leave.

01:03:51.000 Because I don't think that we're going to be able to say we don't count people that are not citizens.

01:03:56.000 I think that the way the Constitution is written, you'd have to actually have an amendment to fix that.

01:04:01.000 Well, on the voting thing, too, I follow a girl on social media who she's from America, but her husband is from Scotland.

01:04:08.000 So she actually ended up moving to Scotland.

01:04:11.000 I'm assuming got a citizenship or card or something.

01:04:14.000 I don't know.

01:04:14.000 I don't know how it works.

01:04:16.000 But she still has her citizenship for America.

01:04:19.000 So she literally lives.

01:04:20.000 She does not live in America anymore.

01:04:21.000 She's been in Scotland for like over a year.

01:04:23.000 She lives in Scotland.

01:04:24.000 She voted in the 2024 election.

01:04:26.000 She voted, Kamala. 0.62

01:04:28.000 But she's not even here to like experience the new president.

01:04:33.000 So I just find that so crazy that there are people that who don't even live in America anymore and can still vote in the election and then not even like reap or sow the benefits of it.

01:04:44.000 Maybe if they're in the military, she's not in the military.

01:04:48.000 She's literally a social media influencer. 1.00

01:04:51.000 And she's a primary resident.

01:04:53.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 Does she pay taxes in America? 1.00

01:04:56.000 I don't, I don't know.

01:04:57.000 I don't know how it works.

01:04:58.000 Probably.

01:04:59.000 Literally, her job is social media.

01:05:01.000 It's like Instagram and YouTube and stuff.

01:05:02.000 And her husband is Scottish and she lives in Edinburgh, Scotland.

01:05:08.000 And she literally, during the election, was posting and like people were asking her, Are you voting?

01:05:13.000 I know you live in Scotland now.

01:05:14.000 And she's like, Yeah, I flew, I flew to America to vote.

01:05:17.000 At least she flew to do it in person.

01:05:19.000 Yeah, but like still.

01:05:20.000 Yeah.

01:05:20.000 I'd rather not.

01:05:22.000 She's a major liberal. 0.80

01:05:23.000 You travel a lot and you have your primary residence in the U.S., but you're overseas 10 months out of the year traveling.

01:05:30.000 She literally lives full-time, house, husband, dog in Scotland.

01:05:30.000 Yeah, but that's different.

01:05:36.000 And then I wonder if she has a full-time residence in the parents.

01:05:40.000 Oh.

01:05:41.000 Yeah.

01:05:42.000 The floods are being pulled.

01:05:43.000 It's tough because my sister was working full-time in Japan and she still was able to vote because she was going to come back.

01:05:52.000 I mean, they were not going to be like, oh, you can stay here forever because they don't let you do that.

01:05:55.000 I mean, I still vote in New Hampshire.

01:05:57.000 You know, I've got a place down here, but I spend enough time in New Hampshire and I have my primary residence in New Hampshire.

01:06:04.000 So, you know, I think that you are, as long as you don't give up your citizenship, you're going to say, look, I live, I'm an American citizen.

01:06:16.000 I have a place in whatever state or whatever.

01:06:19.000 So that's where I live.

01:06:21.000 I'm not sure the details of it and what the legalities are for that location.

01:06:26.000 Like I pay taxes here in West Virginia because I'm here so much.

01:06:31.000 But when it comes to where I vote, I go back to New Hampshire to vote.

01:06:34.000 It's about where your residence is, which is kind of nice that they, because I think what the, you know, the overmind wants is to know where your body is and where your paperwork says your body is and make sure it's all the same so that you're not violating the system's tendrils.

01:06:49.000 Well, the thing is, like, states want their tax money.

01:06:51.000 You know, like, so West Virginia, because I'm here so much, they want to, they want to cut on my pay, right?

01:06:57.000 Because I'm here doing the show and stuff like that.

01:06:59.000 So they want their tax money.

01:07:01.000 There's no income tax in New Hampshire, so it's not a problem.

01:07:04.000 You know, I pay my property tax and New Hampshire's like, I don't care.

01:07:07.000 You know, just like, whatever, you know, there's no income tax.

01:07:10.000 There's no sales tax.

01:07:12.000 Whereas down here, there is income tax, so I got to take care of that in West Virginia.

01:07:17.000 If New Hampshire had income tax, would you be paying income tax in both states?

01:07:20.000 Or do you pick the one and wherever you spend most of your time is probably what it's got to be?

01:07:24.000 So we're going to go ahead and jump to this next story.

01:07:28.000 Let me see here.

01:07:29.000 Where did it go?

01:07:31.000 from the New York Times.

01:07:33.000 The Democrats hate America, and they continuously want to remind you that they hate our representative democracy.

01:07:41.000 So, from the New York Times, abolish the Senate, end the Electoral College, pack the court.

01:07:46.000 Why the left can't win without a new constitution. 0.87

01:07:49.000 After the great rebuke of 2024, many Democrats seem to think their party needs to become more moderate.

01:07:55.000 But there's another theory potent on the American left that believes Donald Trump's election shows not just that American democracy is in danger, but that it doesn't really work at all.

01:08:04.000 What the country needs isn't just a new policy agenda.

01:08:07.000 It might need the kind of constitutional revolution from adding new states to packing the Supreme Court that some Democrats already flirted with under Joe Biden.

01:08:16.000 That's the kind of argument that my guest today, Osida Nuwana, makes in this new book, The Right of the People, Democracy in the Case for a New American Founding.

01:08:24.000 Nuvana is a contributing editor at the New Republic and the Democratic Institutions Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute.

01:08:33.000 So, this is an hour-long podcast where Ross Dutt and this fella who wrote this book get into why the Democrats actually don't want to protect democracy.

01:08:47.000 They want to change our Democratic Republic so that they can retain power. 0.81

01:08:54.000 All of the things that are proposed here would actually make it impossible or incredibly difficult for the Republicans to win at a national level, which there was a time, and this is probably back in 2013, well, 2014, 2015, leading up to Donald Trump.

01:09:15.000 The Democrats really did think that the Republicans were going to be a regional party for as long as they could see.

01:09:24.000 The Republicans were not going to have a national influence anymore.

01:09:28.000 And the Democrats had kind of just taken over everything.

01:09:31.000 And then, when Donald Trump won, that's part of why the Democrats kind of freaked out about everything.

01:09:38.000 They really thought that they had control of everything.

01:09:41.000 They had control of, and they were going to forever have control of the White House and the Senate.

01:09:48.000 Maybe they would lose the House of Representatives for a bit, but they would lose by maybe five or 10 members and they would gain them back.

01:09:56.000 And they really thought they had essentially a permanent one-party rule.

01:10:00.000 And that's exactly what they want.

01:10:02.000 They want to change the way that our government is organized in order to make sure that Republicans don't win ever again.

01:10:14.000 And they outline that right here.

01:10:19.000 Now, this is not something that is actually surprising to anyone on the right, really.

01:10:25.000 You kind of knew, if you pay attention to politics, you kind of understood that that was the situation, that Democrats don't really care about democracy when they would say things like, you know, we're going to lose our democracy.

01:10:38.000 Donald Trump is going to destroy our democracy.

01:10:41.000 What they were talking about was their power base, their bureaucratic power base.

01:10:46.000 And there are people that'll make arguments.

01:10:48.000 No, that's not what they meant.

01:10:49.000 They don't mean that.

01:10:50.000 They don't really think that the Republicans are evil, et cetera, et cetera.

01:10:55.000 But there are more and more people that are coming out and saying the quiet part out loud and making arguments: hey, we need to make sure that Republicans can't.

01:11:04.000 We need to do these things that will make sure that Republicans can't win.

01:11:06.000 And these are terrible ideas.

01:11:08.000 Adding states.

01:11:09.000 I mean, D.C. constitutionally is not supposed to be a state, right?

01:11:14.000 They want to make Puerto Rico a state and they want to make D.C. a state.

01:11:17.000 At the best, if they want to continue to have a constitutionally, you know, a constitutionally correct situation, they would have to give most of D.C. back to Maryland.

01:11:31.000 And there would be, you know, just a very, very small portion of D.C., Capitol Hill, you know, just the Capitol Hill where the White House is and probably where the Supreme Court is.

01:11:43.000 Like they would have to make that right there just the small area, D.C., and the rest just give it back to Maryland.

01:11:49.000 So that way you're not adding states.

01:11:51.000 You're not adding senators.

01:11:52.000 But they do truly believe that it is perfectly legitimate to expand the court so that way they have more Judicial power because they want to use an activist court and they're floundering that they don't have the ability to influence the court.

01:12:09.000 But it is worth noting, like the Democrat, the three progressives on the court, they always vote the same way.

01:12:16.000 There's three of the conservative justices that you're just like, I have no idea how they're going to vote.

01:12:22.000 They're not reliably conservative because they actually look at being a judge the way that a judge is supposed to be, right?

01:12:30.000 They're supposed to judge the issue on the merits.

01:12:34.000 You will never, ever get Kajenti Brown Jackson to come down with a ruling that is anything other than exactly what is progressive orthodoxy.

01:12:46.000 Always, always, always.

01:12:48.000 You won't get Sodoma.

01:12:49.000 You probably won't get Sodomyar to come down on anything other than progressive activism.

01:12:55.000 And that's just the way that the left behaves.

01:12:57.000 So the Democrats aren't happy that they might get things their way because maybe Amy Coney Barrett or maybe John Roberts or whoever will come down on the side of the progressives.

01:13:09.000 They want to make sure that they have enough people on the court to guarantee that they always have a progressive victory.

01:13:17.000 And that's what the adding people or adding states is for.

01:13:20.000 So that way they have two more or four more senators. 0.87

01:13:23.000 They want to have two ostensibly Democrat senators from DC and then two Democrat senators from Puerto Rico.

01:13:33.000 And that way they'll have what they believe will be a permanent, you know, permanent majority in the Senate.

01:13:41.000 They want to add the, they want to change the way the Electoral College works so that way it's a direct election by popular vote because they believe that the states or the cities that are the concentration of population, they should be dictating to the rest of the country who the president would be.

01:14:04.000 And those situations, those would all produce a Democrat out essentially the argument is that those things will always produce an outcome that is favorable to Democrats.

01:14:15.000 But they don't care about democracy.

01:14:17.000 They care about power.

01:14:18.000 No, it's rules, rules for the, not for me.

01:14:21.000 Aren't they the same people that have been fear-mongering others that Trump wants to change the Constitution, right?

01:14:28.000 It's like, I'm pretty sure I've heard that claim like countless times already that Trump's going to change the Constitution or he's going to get rid of the Constitution or he's going to rewrite the Constitution.

01:14:36.000 And it's like they're accusing us of exactly what they're planning on doing.

01:14:40.000 It's right out of the Rules for Radicals playbook. 0.97

01:14:43.000 Yeah, it's like number one.

01:14:45.000 Also, it sounds a lot like socialism because like all the people that I had talked to on the left that want it, it's because they think they'll be at the top, like controlling it.

01:14:56.000 So if the Democrats want that, it's because they want to control everything, like Phil was saying with power.

01:15:04.000 Dude, communism is so insidious, though.

01:15:07.000 People, we can all do this.

01:15:09.000 That rhetoric of all of us together.

01:15:11.000 And it's so like someone looks around a room and says we all and makes eye contact with everybody.

01:15:14.000 That's a bonding human being for humanity, for families.

01:15:18.000 It's important.

01:15:19.000 But for politics, it's so dangerous because as soon as we all get together and put that thing, I'm on top.

01:15:24.000 Now I get to decide what happens.

01:15:26.000 And I know it's all about all of us, but I got to take care of me first so that I can take care of you and who else is in my tight. 0.97

01:15:32.000 And that's how it always has gone with these dumbass centralized authorities, man.

01:15:37.000 But unless you know that ahead of time and you see it, it's tough because it feels so good to say we're all in this together. 0.95

01:15:42.000 And it's empowering.

01:15:44.000 Essentially, what they're proposing is what the situation in California is, right?

01:15:50.000 There's a one-party rule in California.

01:15:52.000 There's no represent or very little representation at a state level for any Republicans in California.

01:15:59.000 And you see it in the exodus of people from California.

01:16:05.000 You know, after COVID, California lost, I mean, I don't know exactly how many, but I want to say it's like half a million people, something like that.

01:16:12.000 So and California's never lost people because California's like the geography and the weather are just so attractive.

01:16:21.000 Oh, it's a beautiful state.

01:16:22.000 It's gorgeous, gorgeous.

01:16:24.000 It's wonderful.

01:16:25.000 It's absolutely beautiful.

01:16:26.000 Like the only place that I think in the whole United States that's actually more beautiful is probably Hawaii, or at least that I think is nicer.

01:16:32.000 I love Hawaii.

01:16:33.000 I love Hawaii so much.

01:16:35.000 Texas, huh?

01:16:36.000 Yeah, you know, I like Texas.

01:16:38.000 Texas is flat, but I didn't true state.

01:16:41.000 Yeah.

01:16:42.000 I liked San Diego.

01:16:43.000 I was going to be like, well, San Diego is pretty nice too, Phil.

01:16:45.000 But I was like, oh, yeah, that's California.

01:16:47.000 It is.

01:16:48.000 I was thinking San Diego when you said California.

01:16:49.000 San Diego is probably my favorite part of California.

01:16:52.000 So nice.

01:16:52.000 I mean, the Los Angeles Valley, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, the Angels.

01:16:57.000 That's what they said.

01:16:58.000 I've never been to California.

01:16:59.000 Really?

01:17:00.000 Really?

01:17:00.000 Yeah.

01:17:01.000 I know.

01:17:02.000 I want to go, but it like scares me.

01:17:04.000 What part?

01:17:05.000 I don't know.

01:17:06.000 Any part.

01:17:07.000 I think that southern coast is the way.

01:17:09.000 Big Sur down to San Diego.

01:17:11.000 I want to check out the national parks.

01:17:11.000 Yeah.

01:17:13.000 Oceanside's great.

01:17:14.000 Up north into the Redwoods.

01:17:16.000 I've never been that far north, but I heard the Red Woods.

01:17:16.000 Yeah.

01:17:18.000 It's such a from things that I've seen, it's such a beautiful state, but it's just the policies are absolutely horrendous, and it just completely ruins it.

01:17:26.000 And it's controlled by the metropolitans.

01:17:28.000 I wonder if California should be split in half and it'd be like a northern state and a southern state governed by Los Angeles and San Francisco because it's so big and so different.

01:17:37.000 Is there like a conservative area in California?

01:17:40.000 Orange County?

01:17:41.000 Orange County is very, it's fairly conservative.

01:17:41.000 Yeah.

01:17:44.000 Okay.

01:17:44.000 And there are other parts.

01:17:45.000 Like once you get off of the coast, like into the interior, it's a lot of conservatives.

01:17:51.000 But there's also not a lot of people.

01:17:53.000 Like once you get, once you get an hour and a half from the coast or so, two hours from the coast, like it's, it's pretty, it's pretty much like Texas.

01:17:53.000 It's desert.

01:18:02.000 It's very, very hot all the time, or at least not all the time.

01:18:05.000 Did you have like a natural cool that rolls through at night?

01:18:09.000 LA?

01:18:10.000 Just California in general, from what I've like, I heard they don't have a lot of air conditioning, like air conditioning.

01:18:15.000 You don't need it in Los Angeles.

01:18:16.000 Right.

01:18:18.000 It's 95 in the sun, and then you step into the shade, it drops 20 degrees because the air is so dry.

01:18:22.000 It's 75 in the shade.

01:18:24.000 I mean, it depends on where you are because if you go up into the valley, it's like 105 degrees.

01:18:29.000 I spent the whole summer out there when we were doing the madness record, and it was, I mean, 110 in the valley.

01:18:36.000 Yeah, man.

01:18:37.000 You didn't need AC in Los Angeles?

01:18:39.000 I was thinking windows were open 24-7.

01:18:39.000 I didn't need any AC.

01:18:41.000 Oh, well, that's maybe it's a breeze, a constant breeze.

01:18:45.000 Okay.

01:18:45.000 If you're on the water.

01:18:47.000 I was just in the city in LA and the breeze was enough.

01:18:51.000 The second floor, second-story breeze, if you're fortunate to live above the dark, the heavy metals of the ground floor where all the brake dust is hovering, you know, get about 18 feet up, and then you start to be, it's pretty beautiful and fresh.

01:19:06.000 Final answer, California.

01:19:07.000 Well, I mean, California is great weather-wise.

01:19:10.000 It is, it is completely and totally run by the Democrats.

01:19:15.000 And your politics, you know, your politics really do affect how your lifestyle is.

01:19:20.000 Again, they lost at least half a million people after COVID.

01:19:24.000 Massive amounts of, you know, many businesses left.

01:19:27.000 Tesla left their headquarters was there.

01:19:33.000 Joe Rogan left.

01:19:34.000 I know there's.

01:19:35.000 Isn't In-N-Out leaving?

01:19:36.000 In-N-Out is leaving.

01:19:38.000 I think they're going to Nashville.

01:19:39.000 Yeah.

01:19:39.000 You know, so look, I mean, I would love to see In-N-Outs open up all across the country, but that's a totally different story.

01:19:45.000 But, I mean, it's hard for businesses in California.

01:19:50.000 They raised the minimum wage, and what happened was exactly what people were saying was going to happen.

01:19:56.000 Businesses would fire people.

01:19:59.000 They would raise prices.

01:20:00.000 Businesses would go out of business because they can't afford to pay people.

01:20:04.000 I think it was like $20 or whatever.

01:20:06.000 I don't know what the minimum wage was raised to, but they raised the minimum wage.

01:20:09.000 And everyone that was against it was saying, don't do this.

01:20:12.000 Don't raise the minimum wage.

01:20:13.000 This is going to be bad.

01:20:15.000 It's going to have all these negative downstream repercussions.

01:20:17.000 And as soon as they raised it, within a couple of years, everything that the people were saying was going to happen has happened.

01:20:23.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 I got this feeling.

01:20:24.000 I went to LA during COVID.

01:20:26.000 I think it was 2021. 0.97

01:20:28.000 And it was like this feeling of pathetic pathos.

01:20:32.000 I got that feeling a little bit in the entertainment industry when I lived there because the people were so obsessed with getting picked, being, let me be part of your cult. 0.91

01:20:39.000 Let me be picked by you and be part of your group.

01:20:41.000 And yes, I'll say what you tell me to say.

01:20:42.000 And it was just kind of sickening to watch.

01:20:44.000 But this, watching them on masks during COVID was the most grotesque, like bow down to authority from put sand in skate parks so that way kids couldn't go outside and skate.

01:20:57.000 That's just evil.

01:20:58.000 They were arresting people for being on the beach during COVID.

01:21:03.000 Like no one's around and there are a handful of people on the beach and they were just wrapping up.

01:21:06.000 There was somewhere where someone that was like out in a boat or on a canoe or something.

01:21:10.000 They went out on a boat and arrested them.

01:21:12.000 They were not for that.

01:21:13.000 That might have been in Australia.

01:21:14.000 I'm not sure.

01:21:15.000 But it was nuts.

01:21:16.000 But I mean, California, it was definitely, they were doing that in California.

01:21:18.000 There are people that talk about, I see the picture of the skate parks filled with sand.

01:21:22.000 I see that picture frequently on X. Finished Beach.

01:21:25.000 Yeah, because people respond to Gavin Newsome with that picture regularly.

01:21:30.000 He'll talk about freedom and all these things because he wants to run for president.

01:21:34.000 And people are just like, oh, yeah, you really care about freedom.

01:21:36.000 You locked everyone down.

01:21:38.000 Yeah, how quickly he forgets.

01:21:39.000 Yeah, they rapped surfers, but you can't catch me.

01:21:43.000 All right, we're going to jump to this last story here from the U.S. Sun.

01:21:47.000 Spare the rod.

01:21:48.000 Parents face $2,000 fines or 90 days in jail if their child breaks the law in U.S. state, from skipping to school to muggings.

01:21:57.000 Oh.

01:21:58.000 Some parents will face fines or jail time if their children break any laws ranging from drunkenness to felonies.

01:22:05.000 The Gloucester Township Council in New Jersey has announced that any parent who fails to prevent their child from committing a crime will face up to 90 days in jail or fines totaling $2,000.

01:22:15.000 The council has identified 28 crimes that could result in parents being fined or jailed.

01:22:19.000 Some of these crimes include felonies, disorderly conduct, associating with thieves, gambling, and idly roaming the streets, among others.

01:22:26.000 I associate roaming the streets.

01:22:29.000 Harsher penalties will be assigned to parents of children who are repeated offenders.

01:22:33.000 New consequences come one year after a massive brawl erupted at a community drone show in South Jersey.

01:22:39.000 The crowd of the show grew to 500 people, with kids and young adults making up the majority of the viewers.

01:22:46.000 Multiple fights broke out throughout the show, leading to the arrest of 11 people.

01:22:51.000 Of the 11 arrests, nine involved teenagers.

01:22:54.000 The ages of the arrests were teens.

01:22:55.000 Of the ages of the arrested teens were 13 to 17, with seven of the arrestees being boys and three being girls.

01:23:02.000 That's not a surprise.

01:23:04.000 All of the teens arrested were charged with disorderly conduct and then released to their homes.

01:23:08.000 During the fights, three police officers were injured and sustained minor injuries.

01:23:13.000 The lawless groups of unsupervised juveniles and young people acting with total disregard for others ruined a great family-oriented event, which has taken place to raise funds for the Gloucester Township Scholarship Committee for over 40 years.

01:23:27.000 Gloucester Township Police Chief David Harkins told the outlet at the time: this type of lawlessness and the violent riotous behavior will not be tolerated and will not define the great community of Gloucester Township.

01:23:40.000 I think that this will likely not produce the results that they want because I don't, I think that a lot of these kids that, and this is just an assumption, but I think a lot of the kids that end up behaving this way, being kind of out of sorts and getting in trouble and stuff, a lot of them don't have two parents.

01:24:00.000 What are you going to do?

01:24:01.000 You're going to throw a single mom in jail for 90 days? 1.00

01:24:06.000 Do the kids get any sort of repercussions or is it just to the parents?

01:24:12.000 Because also, I can't imagine, like, what about the kids that hate their parents and then they'll purposely commit crimes to get their parents in jail?

01:24:20.000 So, like, what are you going to do there?

01:24:21.000 It really seems like a bad.

01:24:24.000 I could see where maybe they thought this would be a good idea because there is a lot of juvenile crime in Jersey.

01:24:34.000 Why can't they just charge the kids? 0.91

01:24:36.000 Well, because it doesn't seem because they're not working.

01:24:40.000 I think the punishment's harsher on the kids.

01:24:42.000 Because they're kids.

01:24:44.000 The point being is that they're under 18, so they don't get charged as an adult, but you can still.

01:24:51.000 I had plenty of friends that went to jail at like 14 and 16.

01:24:56.000 Oh, my God.

01:24:58.000 Plenty of them to be associated with thieves, but check this out.

01:25:02.000 The crimes parents are held responsible for.

01:25:04.000 A felony, high misdemeanor, misdemeanor, or other offense, violation of any penal law or municipal ordinance, any act or offense which he or she could be prosecuted in the method partaking of the nature of a criminal action or proceeding, being a disorderly person,

01:25:21.000 habitual vagrancy, incorrigibility, immorality, knowingly associating with thieves or vicious or immoral People growing up in idleness or delinquency, knowingly visiting gambling places or patronizing other places or establishments, his or her admission to which constitutes a violation of law, a felony, high misdemeanor, or other offenses, violation of any penal law or municipal ordinance.

01:25:48.000 Yeah, it looks like they're, it looks like they're just repeating them.

01:25:48.000 Are they repeating that?

01:25:51.000 I like, where was that?

01:25:52.000 Indecent exposure, begging, drunkenness, consumption of alcohol, alcoholic beverages on a public street, destruction of pagan equipment in public parks.

01:26:02.000 I mean, growing up in idleness meme.

01:26:05.000 I mean, it's like a period of time, like we've been watching you for 30 days and you've grown a whole month in idleness.

01:26:12.000 You're just doing nothing but doing nothing.

01:26:15.000 And so they're going to arrest your parents for it.

01:26:17.000 We're taking your parents.

01:26:18.000 We've been reading the biometrics of your seven-year-old and he hasn't been exercising enough.

01:26:21.000 $2,000 fine.

01:26:22.000 He failed the school wellness test.

01:26:25.000 I mean, do you guys think that this would actually work?

01:26:28.000 No.

01:26:28.000 Or do you think that's the nature of humans?

01:26:31.000 It's the pendulum swinging.

01:26:33.000 These councilmen got so overwhelmed with emotion is that now they're like, we just need to stop it all.

01:26:38.000 Let's just do something extreme.

01:26:40.000 Do you think that parents are too stern enough with their children nowadays?

01:26:46.000 And this is the result.

01:26:48.000 I'd have to hang out with parents one-on-one more to answer that directly.

01:26:51.000 No, yeah.

01:26:52.000 There's a lot of, now it's like a lot of kids are going up with their own iPads and everything.

01:26:57.000 Gentle parenting.

01:26:58.000 And the gentle parenting.

01:26:59.000 It's like the kid can punch their mother in the face and the mother will be like, oh, sweetie, no, please don't do that.

01:27:06.000 We don't.

01:27:07.000 We don't. 0.58

01:27:09.000 And then the kid will slap her again. 0.80

01:27:10.000 No, no.

01:27:11.000 You have kids, right?

01:27:12.000 Yeah, I have a two and a half year old who does hit me, but he's also two and a half.

01:27:16.000 Is this particular to New Jersey?

01:27:19.000 Like this kind of stuff?

01:27:21.000 No, no.

01:27:21.000 I'd like to take a chance to go ahead and give New Jersey the grief, but I don't think that it is.

01:27:26.000 No, no, no, no, it's not because there's also when we were in, we lived in Virginia right after having River.

01:27:33.000 And like there was one family that would come over, like we would, friends would get together and like they would barely associate with this toddler, just stick an iPad in front of this toddler and just like not play with him at all.

01:27:47.000 And it's like, so the kids grow up in front of screens and then they grow up with the gentle parenting.

01:27:52.000 Oh, we don't hit.

01:27:53.000 You know, we have to be nice.

01:27:55.000 And they have no actual structure.

01:27:59.000 So I definitely think that parents have become easier on their kids.

01:28:04.000 Now, I mean, I was, I was like spanked as a child.

01:28:08.000 I don't think it was necessarily fun, but I am a maybe there needs to be like a balance, but today the gentle parenting has definitely taken over and kids aren't being disciplined thoroughly.

01:28:24.000 I think they're not like afraid of their parents.

01:28:27.000 Yeah, I think the balance is that you want, you don't want to scare your children.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, you don't want to scare them, but you still want to make sure that like they stay in line.

01:28:36.000 In a way, you kind of want to present an essence of fear.

01:28:39.000 Like you are the authority that will bring down the hammer and destroy everything you love if you wrong me.

01:28:45.000 In the future, that will be the government.

01:28:47.000 So keep and then, but also, but not to hurt them.

01:28:52.000 To make sure it's okay for them to be afraid of what might happen if they wrong you, but you don't want to harm them with beatings, you know? 0.99

01:28:58.000 Like spanking so that they're afraid of never getting that sharp smack on their ass again and they never do it again. 0.99

01:29:03.000 Good. 1.00

01:29:04.000 Doing it till you can feel their bones breaking.

01:29:06.000 No, that's not.

01:29:06.000 That's abuse.

01:29:08.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 That doesn't make the kid not do it.

01:29:09.000 And then they usually end up being criminals.

01:29:11.000 So pain.

01:29:12.000 Then you talk about like what's an ethical level of pain to administer on a child, like to teach it with pain.

01:29:18.000 Like touch the whole thing where if they touch a hot stove, they're don't do it.

01:29:21.000 Don't do it.

01:29:22.000 Until they do it once, they don't know why they're not supposed to do it.

01:29:25.000 So and kids give into the internet and they figure out all their emotions and pains with a video game.

01:29:30.000 They go there and they say it to somebody in real life and they get their teeth knocked in and they go and they so you got to kind of socialize off the screen, I guess.

01:29:37.000 Yes.

01:29:38.000 Yeah.

01:29:39.000 It's a big thing.

01:29:40.000 So so you're you guys are generally the opinion around the around the table is that punishing parents will not help, but parents need to be more stern with their kids.

01:29:50.000 Do you think that this would motivate parents to be more stern with their kids?

01:29:55.000 Maybe.

01:29:56.000 Yeah.

01:29:57.000 I think maybe that's the general like Idea is for families to get like, oh, they see these consequences of like, if their children go out and do these things, these are the consequences for you.

01:30:08.000 And maybe it gets like their family, like the families act together.

01:30:13.000 But at the end of the day, I don't think it's the best. 0.99

01:30:15.000 I thought the same thing you thought that if a kid is pissed off with their parents, they're just going to go commit some stupid crime and get the parents fined. 0.99

01:30:22.000 Like, that's, yeah. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Like, you're a raging hormonal teenager, too.

01:30:27.000 So it's just like, there's just, there's so much going on.

01:30:29.000 It's like, they're not going to think, they're going to think, oh, my parents are probably going to go to jail for a little.

01:30:33.000 It's going to be fine.

01:30:34.000 But it's like, no, that's a much bigger problem.

01:30:36.000 So there's another thing that you might want to think about when it comes to this kind of stuff.

01:30:40.000 Most of the time, if parents, especially in places like New Jersey, if parents are too strict, then they run the risk of CPS coming and picking up their kids.

01:30:51.000 If you allow your kid to go walk, you know, if the kid is too young, and that's an arbitrary phrase, but if the kid is too young and he's allowed to walk to the corner store, there's a chance that the police will pick the kid up, bring him back to the house, and you'll get, you'll get, you know, get a visit from CPS.

01:31:11.000 So how do you think that they would square that kind of system where if you're too stern, the government might come and take your kid from you.

01:31:20.000 But if you're not stern enough and your kid gets too buck wild, they're going to go ahead and come and pick you up and throw you in jail.

01:31:27.000 I mean, what does that do?

01:31:29.000 How does that actually help parents to raise their kids in a way where those kids will become productive members of society?

01:31:39.000 It's really, it's hard enough for parents to know how to raise kids.

01:31:44.000 It puts a lot of pressure on parents, especially like first-time parents.

01:31:47.000 Both of you guys are playing.

01:31:48.000 Yeah, both of you guys have new ones.

01:31:50.000 My children will never be out in the streets doing whatever it is that would put me in jail.

01:31:55.000 I just wouldn't let that happen.

01:31:56.000 How do you know?

01:31:57.000 But how do you chain them up in the basement?

01:32:03.000 They would fear me.

01:32:04.000 Like Ian said, I don't know.

01:32:07.000 I don't know.

01:32:08.000 I hope it never came to that.

01:32:09.000 We would lose privileges.

01:32:10.000 When the privileges are so good at home that it's worse to lose those than it is to go do the thing you want to do.

01:32:16.000 That's that's why it was just so good at my house that losing that was just the most horrific.

01:32:22.000 I didn't want to violate that because it was so good.

01:32:25.000 You have to grow up in a loving home.

01:32:26.000 Yeah.

01:32:27.000 Like love your children.

01:32:28.000 Like spend time with your children.

01:32:31.000 Engage in their activities and what they love.

01:32:34.000 Like I feel like parents don't do that enough.

01:32:38.000 What kind of stuff?

01:32:39.000 What do you do with the kid?

01:32:40.000 Well, no, just like anything.

01:32:41.000 Like just, it's just like engaging with them and like, you know, figuring out what they love to do, what hobbies they love to do and like maybe go and taking them to those to do those things.

01:32:52.000 Like, I don't know.

01:32:55.000 How old are your kid, you say?

01:32:56.000 Literally only two and a half.

01:32:57.000 So I thought it impressive with a parent when they learn the video game that their kid loves.

01:33:02.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 That is a big deal for a kid.

01:33:04.000 If your parents can start talking to you in the language of the game and they know what the items are and everything, just show that like you're paying attention to the things that they're interested in.

01:33:15.000 Yeah.

01:33:15.000 I mean, it's, I mean, I imagine that just paying attention to your kid and interacting with your kid is the thing that they're after.

01:33:25.000 Right.

01:33:25.000 I know that there's, it doesn't matter so much what you're doing because kids don't, you know, everything's kind of an adventure to a kid, right?

01:33:34.000 When you're two, three, four, five, like they just want to do stuff with you because you're the most important person in their life, you know?

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:42.000 So I imagine the more time you spend with your kids and pay attention to them, that's the important thing.

01:33:48.000 It's not what you're doing.

01:33:50.000 It's are you doing things with them?

01:33:52.000 You know, and include them.

01:33:52.000 Yeah.

01:33:54.000 Don't just have them be like, you know, don't have them be just, you know, watching you do things or whatever.

01:34:02.000 Make sure that they're doing things with you.

01:34:04.000 Even if, you know, that's why they make things like little kids' fishing poles.

01:34:08.000 They're not going to pull in a three-pound bass with it.

01:34:12.000 But the kid's there doing the fishing with dad.

01:34:14.000 Even if he's not going to catch anything worth doing, he's there doing the fishing.

01:34:19.000 You know, and whatever it, whatever the activity is, it doesn't matter what the activity is.

01:34:22.000 It's just like washing dishes.

01:34:24.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 They have those like stools that kids can stand up on.

01:34:29.000 And it's just like, even if you're doing washing dishes or you're cooking or you're folding the laundry it's like especially for like you said like a young toddler they don't know any better like they just want to be with you like every time like my child will sit and play on the floor with toys he's always involving me and i'm always playing with him because he doesn't want to do it alone it's it sounds simple i was thinking uh the last week or two that a lot of rhetoric about have more kids it's been going on for years like we need to populate

01:34:59.000 But I'm like, rather than ask how many kids do I have, ask how many children am I parenting?

01:35:04.000 Yeah.

01:35:05.000 Because one, if it's your wife's kid from an old marriage, if you're the dad, you're the dad.

01:35:05.000 What?

01:35:11.000 That is your child.

01:35:13.000 You're charged now.

01:35:15.000 No, I can see.

01:35:15.000 Is that true?

01:35:16.000 I can see.

01:35:17.000 And if you're not there for the kid, what's the point?

01:35:19.000 Yeah.

01:35:19.000 You don't want to get too caught up in the like have eight children and then not be able to like fully dedicate time to all of those eight children individually.

01:35:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:29.000 It's just like it's I my opinion is it'd be better to have one child and be able to not saying you need to only have one child, but like just one child and be able to put all of your energy and attention into that child than to have, you know, five, six, seven kids and struggle to give them that attention that they're going to want because they fight for the attention of their parents.

01:35:56.000 I get the utilitarian argument of like if we were like in a tribe and there had been a nuclear holocaust and we had like 17 people, we had to repopulate, go have 800 kids. 0.67

01:36:04.000 You never see whatever.

01:36:05.000 Do that if you need to.

01:36:06.000 But I don't think that the system requires that right now.

01:36:09.000 It doesn't seem to.

01:36:09.000 No.

01:36:10.000 It requires more quality people.

01:36:11.000 I'm personally not on board with the whole have more kids than you can afford type thing.

01:36:15.000 I'm not on board with that.

01:36:17.000 It's crazy because, yeah, as a new father, I feel like my four month old is already teaching me that I must be giving all my attention all the time.

01:36:26.000 And I couldn't imagine having eight kids.

01:36:30.000 kids because i don't know how to split that attention the self-arent yeah it's a very selfless thing yeah we're uh we're gonna jump to this last story here from the postmillennial uh trump to deploy 4 000 marines around latin american waters to combat cartels reports the trump administration will be deploying an additional 4 000 marines from the u.s military in the waters around latin america in order to combat the drug cartels according to a new report from cnn citing two u.s defense officials

01:37:00.000 the outlet reported that the move is part of a broader mission to ready military assets to target the drug cartels a third person familiar with the plans told the outlet that the additional military assets are aimed at addressing threats to u.s national security from spec specially designated narco-terrorist organizations in the region including in the deployment is the jima amphibious ready group and the 22nd marine expeditionary unit reporting to u.s southern command the effort is repeatedly has reportedly been underway

01:37:30.000 for the past three weeks a p8 poseidon reconnaissance aircraft nuclear-powered submarine multiple destroyers and a guided missile cruiser are also being allocated to u.s southern command as part of the effort one of the officials told the outlet that the buildup of the military assets is meant to show the force of the u.s military rather than the targeting of the cartels however having the military assets that they're ready allows for more options if trump orders military action to take place an official from the marines told the outlet that a marine expeditionary unit

01:38:00.000 stands ready to execute lawful orders and support the combatant commanders in the needs that are requested of them.

01:38:06.000 A memo from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth earlier this year instructed the Pentagon to seal our borders, repel forms of invasion, including unlawful mass migration, narcotics trafficking, human smuggling and trafficking, and other criminal activities, and deport illegal aliens in coordination with the Department of Homeland Security.

01:38:24.000 Last week, it was reported by the New York Times that Trump signed a directive for the Pentagon to start using military force against some drug cartels in Latin America.

01:38:34.000 What do you guys think?

01:38:35.000 Do you think that this is going to...

01:38:38.000 Do you consider this an escalation of the war on drugs?

01:38:41.000 Or do you think this is more about securing the United States from foreign terrorist organizations?

01:38:47.000 I think the latter.

01:38:48.000 Yeah.

01:38:49.000 Yeah, it's more of a defensive tactic with the amount of fentanyl that's been coming over the southern border, reportedly, from China, wherever it's coming from, Canada, China to Canada, back to China, to Mexico, through the border.

01:39:00.000 I don't know.

01:39:01.000 But uh yeah we gotta we gotta tamp tack that down that's i think i mean you talk about the war on fentanyl.

01:39:07.000 That's a whole other thing, man.

01:39:08.000 I'm open to starting a war on fentanyl if you want to talk about that.

01:39:11.000 But, you know, forget about the other drugs for the moment.

01:39:14.000 Or whatever else.

01:39:14.000 Yeah.

01:39:15.000 So more fentanyl, I think, is another fentanyl they're working on.

01:39:18.000 It's also the people that they're bringing.

01:39:19.000 Don't forget, like, these cartels are bringing lots of people across the border and have for a long time.

01:39:23.000 They control that border.

01:39:25.000 Well, not anymore.

01:39:27.000 They did.

01:39:27.000 But they did.

01:39:28.000 Yeah, but not anymore.

01:39:29.000 I saw them shooting a couple months ago.

01:39:31.000 There's reports that the cartels were firing across the border.

01:39:34.000 Yeah.

01:39:35.000 Now they got military on your coast, so that's what happens when you shoot at Americans. 0.86

01:39:38.000 Yeah, I mean, so it's my assumption, and this is not based on any kind of, you know, any kind of inside information.

01:39:46.000 I don't have some kind of contact or anything.

01:39:48.000 But this kind of show of force, it really, it's probably just an intimidation tactic.

01:39:53.000 Yeah.

01:39:54.000 It's to remind cartels what exactly they're going to be up against.

01:39:57.000 Because look, if you watch, I mean, you can get on Telegram channels and you can see what the cartels are doing, how they're outfitted, what they, you know, how brutal they are.

01:40:08.000 You can see in graphic detail the way they behave.

01:40:12.000 And they do look like militias.

01:40:15.000 Like they're they're not just dudes that are, you know, selling drugs or guys running around with an AK anymore.

01:40:23.000 Like these guys are legitimately well equipped.

01:40:26.000 They probably have anti-air assets, right?

01:40:29.000 Like they probably have things like stingers and stuff because you can get that stuff on the black market.

01:40:34.000 So they have, you know, a lot of armored vehicles.

01:40:37.000 They're not like APCs.

01:40:39.000 They're trucks that they've put armor onto.

01:40:41.000 They're closer to, I guess, like an armored car that you would have transporting money in and stuff.

01:40:48.000 But these vehicles are full of dudes with serious hardware.

01:40:53.000 They've all got belt-fed fully automatic machine guns.

01:40:56.000 They've got 50 Cal rifles, semi-automatic rifles.

01:40:59.000 They've got, you know, they're walking around with AKs and ARs or M16s and stuff.

01:41:04.000 The idea that the cartels are what they were, you know, 30, 40 years ago, that stuff is gone.

01:41:12.000 These guys are as well equipped as any other terrorist organization that you would find in the Middle East or anything.

01:41:18.000 But the United States has really gotten extremely proficient at disassembling terrorist organizations.

01:41:27.000 They spent 20 years doing it in the Middle East.

01:41:29.000 And whereas the cartels are brutal and they're violent and they do things trying to intimidate, I don't, it's my sense that the United States military is not going to be intimidated, right?

01:41:42.000 And so the argument that I hear is, oh, well, the cartels will come into the U.S. And I do think that there could be some attacks in the U.S., but I don't see the cartels having significant impact on the United States.

01:41:57.000 And I don't think the United States would say, oh, we should stop going after the cartels because they've killed some Americans.

01:42:04.000 No, if you look at it, I mean, the best allegory would be like what they just did to the Iranian government with that bunker buster. 0.99

01:42:12.000 And then, like, I think you said, Phil, a few weeks ago, we were talking about it, that it's like they go in there, the CIA, and they kill the leadership of this terrorist seller with his government.

01:42:20.000 And then the next people come in and they're like, we're going to get those Americans for what they did to us. 0.99

01:42:23.000 And then they go in and they kill all those guys. 0.97

01:42:24.000 The CIA goes in, they kill all the new guys. 0.95

01:42:26.000 And then the next group comes in.

01:42:27.000 They're like, all right, you know what?

01:42:28.000 We're going to play ball with the Americans. 0.99

01:42:29.000 And the thing is, it's not so much the CIA.

01:42:32.000 Like, you're talking about direct action military forces.

01:42:34.000 Like, if the Navy's there, you know that there are SEALs there, right?

01:42:38.000 There are definitely SEALs that would have the capacity to go into Mexico and attack assets on the ground.

01:42:47.000 And I imagine they would use airplanes.

01:42:49.000 They'd bomb.

01:42:50.000 They would do what they did to the Iranians. 1.00

01:42:52.000 No, I don't know.

01:42:54.000 That's how they would start.

01:42:55.000 I think that more than likely it would be more like the way that the U.S. took on ISIS because the U.S. had a lot of covert assets in Iraq that would go into Syria and take on ISIS and get into a lot of gunfights and kill a lot of ISIS.

01:43:16.000 A lot of ISIS guys got killed by Delta.

01:43:19.000 It was either the Israeli and the American intelligence together before that attack on the Iranians.

01:43:24.000 They killed a bunch of people inside.

01:43:26.000 They had dudes on the inside. 1.00

01:43:27.000 I remember that part of it.

01:43:29.000 I don't know exactly, but that was all Iran.

01:43:31.000 I mean, that was all Israel doing. 0.99

01:43:33.000 The only thing the U.S. did was use B-2s with bunker busters or B-1s and B-2s with bunker busters because the assets that the Iranians had where they were doing the nuclear enrichment were too far underground.

01:43:45.000 The Israelis didn't have anything that could get into those. 0.86

01:43:48.000 Everything else was Iran. 0.97

01:43:50.000 I mean, sorry, everything else was Israel. 0.76

01:43:51.000 And the U.S. attacked the actual nuclear sites because the U.S. had the actual bombs that could...

01:43:59.000 That's it.

01:44:00.000 So I really do think that the attack or the dealing with the cartels would be much closer to the way that we dealt with ISIS.

01:44:07.000 Like ISIS was, ISIS was doing things like making passports. 0.87

01:44:11.000 Like ISIS was a country.

01:44:14.000 It was a very young new country, but they were providing infrastructure to the inhabitants.

01:44:20.000 They were making passports.

01:44:21.000 They were doing state things.

01:44:23.000 They were doing things that countries do.

01:44:25.000 And so the U.S. had to deal with them in a very different way than just dropping bombs on them.

01:44:31.000 And so they had people stationed and they had Bagram Air Force Base in Baghdad.

01:44:37.000 I'm sorry, not Bagram.

01:44:39.000 I forget what the Air Force base was or the airport that the U.S. had.

01:44:47.000 Outside of Baghdad?

01:44:48.000 I forget what it's called.

01:44:48.000 Yeah, in Baghdad.

01:44:49.000 But either way, that's where the U.S. forces were.

01:44:50.000 And they had some places stationed in the desert so that they could get into Syria.

01:44:56.000 But they had a lot of special forces that were doing the actual fighting of ISIS.

01:45:02.000 And when Donald Trump came into office, that was one of the things that he wanted to do.

01:45:06.000 He was like, we're going to go and smash ISIS.

01:45:08.000 And he really let loose the special forces and he let loose Delta and they went and they killed a lot of ISIS and got them to the point where they were no longer technically a country.

01:45:18.000 And Assad was able to push them back.

01:45:20.000 And then, you know, there was a civil war going on, but the U.S. really did disassemble ISIS.

01:45:24.000 And I imagine that's probably the strategy that they have when it comes to the cartels.

01:45:29.000 Now, whether or not the Mexican government wants the U.S. to do it, I don't think that that really matters.

01:45:35.000 No.

01:45:35.000 You know, because everyone knows that if the U.S. goes, just like the same exact thing that they did when they went and they got bin Laden, right?

01:45:44.000 The strike to get bin Laden. 0.79

01:45:46.000 They didn't let the PACs know because if they'd have told the PACs, the PACs would have informed, someone would have informed Bin Laden. 0.56

01:45:51.000 So they had to do it without the PACs.

01:45:52.000 The Pakistani government?

01:45:54.000 We say the PAC?

01:45:55.000 The Pakistani government.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, the PACs.

01:45:56.000 They didn't tell the Pakistanis because if they'd have told the Pakistanis, someone in the government or the military would have gone and informed Bin Laden.

01:46:03.000 So the same things goes on in Mexico.

01:46:06.000 You can't go to President Sheinbaum and say, oh, we're going to do this.

01:46:11.000 Because Scheinbaum is only there because the cartels allowed her to live. 0.93

01:46:15.000 There were like 40 politicians in Mexico that got killed in the past year or something like that.

01:46:21.000 And they cut their heads off and hang them up off bridges and stuff.

01:46:24.000 So anyone that's a politician in Mexico, they're there with the approval of the cartels. 0.98

01:46:30.000 It's a total narco-state. 0.81

01:46:32.000 So the U.S. isn't going to sit there and be like, hey, we're going to work together to get these.

01:46:36.000 They're going to go in there.

01:46:37.000 They're going to go and they're going to start attacking the cartels and they're going to start taking those people out without the approval of the Mexican government.

01:46:46.000 And the Mexican government's going to make a bunch of noise to the president or to the U.S. government, but they're going to say, we can't trust you.

01:46:52.000 Yeah, Shinbaum literally can't say, like, Sheinbaum is the president of Mexico.

01:46:55.000 She can't say that she wants it to happen because we all know what will happen to her if she starts saying stuff like that.

01:47:00.000 If she starts saying things like that, very bad things will happen to President Sheinbaum.

01:47:04.000 Okay, so Sheinbaum's controlled opposition.

01:47:06.000 Yeah, you started his controlled opposition.

01:47:08.000 That's good.

01:47:08.000 Yeah, that's what I would think.

01:47:10.000 You know, so, I mean, I think that this is the obvious course of action.

01:47:17.000 Yeah, it seems obvious.

01:47:18.000 It doesn't excite me.

01:47:18.000 It doesn't make me happy the thought of another military explosion, death, all this God, whatever.

01:47:24.000 But at the same time, it seems inevitable.

01:47:26.000 Like, if we don't militarize our southern border in some fashion, like this is what even I'm talking about the water, too.

01:47:32.000 I'm glad the Navy's there.

01:47:34.000 Very, very, very least is just a show of force.

01:47:37.000 If there's an attack on Taiwan from the Chinese, our Pacific Fleet needs to be ready. 0.98

01:47:41.000 Everything is in position.

01:47:42.000 I like it.

01:47:44.000 The Chinese-Taiwan thing bothers me a lot. 0.82

01:47:46.000 It's been on my mind lately.

01:47:47.000 Someone said, oh, they're going to take it.

01:47:48.000 I think it was Alex Jones was saying it.

01:47:50.000 Well, I mean, they look at Taiwan as part of China.

01:47:54.000 And if I was an alien looking down at Earth, I would have looked at it as part of China too.

01:47:57.000 Be like, why is this part controlled by that guy?

01:48:00.000 Give it to them.

01:48:01.000 Let them have their part.

01:48:02.000 But Taiwan's actually Taiwan's actually controlled by Taiwan.

01:48:05.000 Anyways, we're going to go to super chats right now.

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01:48:42.000 Andrew says, Ari Trump-Putin interview: Putin finished off speaking English.

01:48:47.000 This is huge.

01:48:48.000 This is a huge deal.

01:48:49.000 Knowing Putin will only speak Russian for interviews.

01:48:52.000 Those last words meant a lot.

01:48:53.000 I hope you're right.

01:48:54.000 I mean, I don't know particularly how frequently Putin speaks English.

01:48:59.000 I don't know how well he knows English.

01:49:01.000 But listen, I would love to see Trump be able to broker some kind of peace deal so that way we can stop sending weapons to Ukraine or stop sending money to Ukraine and Ukraine can stand on its own feet.

01:49:15.000 But I do think that this is probably just Putin making a peace deal for a short amount of time.

01:49:22.000 So that way he can say, all right, we can rebuild the military some, build up our ranks and prepare to go back in.

01:49:32.000 I assume that he's thinking when there is a less volatile president, someone a little more easy to predict what they would do.

01:49:42.000 But like I said, I hope that it actually does produce peace, even if it's not a long-term peace.

01:49:50.000 Shane H. Wilder says the Texas House special session ended today.

01:49:54.000 Cindy, Sindai.

01:49:55.000 I'm not sure what you're talking about.

01:49:57.000 The governor called for a second special session.

01:49:59.000 Dem said they will come back if California redistricts in Dem's favor.

01:50:02.000 Newsom said he will.

01:50:03.000 Well, I mean, look, this is all about figuring out how Democrats can retain power.

01:50:10.000 This isn't about representing the people.

01:50:12.000 It has nothing to do with democracy or making sure that people's voices are heard.

01:50:17.000 This is all about consolidating Democrat power as much as they can because they have been totally trounced and they're remarkably unpopular.

01:50:26.000 You'd think that considering how unpopular the Democrats are, something like 30% approve of them, 30% approve of Raiden, their brand has totally been dragged through the mud.

01:50:37.000 You'd think that they would say, we need to come up with better policies, as opposed to saying things like, we need to figure out ways to grab power in a way that is not representing the people of the states.

01:50:54.000 Like if they're unpopular, they shouldn't be thinking, hey, how can we grab onto power and hold on to it?

01:51:00.000 They should be thinking, what are we going to do to offer the American people a platform that they will vote for?

01:51:07.000 But they're not interested in representing the American people.

01:51:10.000 They're interested in holding on to power.

01:51:12.000 So hopefully, you know, they're not successful in their efforts.

01:51:19.000 But this is what you can expect from the Democrats.

01:51:22.000 They don't have a popular platform.

01:51:25.000 They can't speak to the American people. 0.97

01:51:27.000 They're at record low approval ratings.

01:51:30.000 And now instead of going and thinking, how do we fix this?

01:51:34.000 They're thinking, how do we grab power and make sure that we can hold on to power?

01:51:39.000 Who cares what the people think?

01:51:40.000 Who cares that the people don't like us?

01:51:42.000 Who cares that the people don't want anything to do with our platform?

01:51:46.000 It doesn't matter what our platform is.

01:51:48.000 The only thing that matters is we hold on to power.

01:51:49.000 I think it's because the COVID response was such a floundering misfumble of human society.

01:51:57.000 And now all those people that were complicit, like Gavin Newsom, they know that and the utter humiliation, which is why they can't create a resounding message and they're falling back on tricking people to vote for them.

01:52:08.000 No, that's not even tricking people to vote.

01:52:09.000 They're trying to get around people voting.

01:52:12.000 They're trying to make sure that they can retain power in like no matter what the people want.

01:52:18.000 Is it that they're not giving a message and no coherent message out of that party that I've heard?

01:52:22.000 Is it, I mean, my best take is that what can you say other than I'm sorry that I screwed you over for four years during COVID?

01:52:29.000 Like, they'll never Say that, though.

01:52:31.000 Yeah, because as soon as you apologize, like blood in the water, all the sharks attack, and then they never get re-elected because they were weak.

01:52:36.000 Well, not only that, but the policies that the progressives want, the far left wing of the party, are the unpopular policies.

01:52:44.000 They're literally open borders.

01:52:46.000 Like the closing the border has been super popular with the American people, but Democrats will swear up and down that it's horrible that the borders are closed.

01:52:54.000 They want to have open borders.

01:52:56.000 The Democrats want to have LGBT stuff taught in schools, even though the American people are generally not for that. 0.96

01:53:04.000 The American people are not for having, you know, the boys and in girls sports, but they haven't really softened on that.

01:53:13.000 They haven't moved away from that.

01:53:15.000 They have doubled down on so many 80-20 issues on the 20 side as opposed to the 80 side, as opposed to rethinking what their platform should be.

01:53:24.000 Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans have really done a job on what the Democrats used to be.

01:53:31.000 They used to be the party of kind of the center and they used to be the party of the working people and stuff.

01:53:37.000 And they've abandoned them totally.

01:53:38.000 Now they're the party of the super rich and they're the party of the dependent class.

01:53:44.000 Yeah, they used to be the rich people that were cool and then they stopped being cool.

01:53:49.000 During Obama, Obama went from being cool to not cool in like 2013 or 12.

01:53:55.000 He started to get really gray too.

01:53:56.000 I think the stress of being, you know, the killer in chief was getting to him.

01:54:01.000 Well, presidents tend to go gray when they get into office.

01:54:03.000 He seemed cool.

01:54:04.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:54:05.000 I always say he was, I almost feel like sad, like the potential.

01:54:09.000 Like he's such a great speaker.

01:54:11.000 He like carries himself really well.

01:54:14.000 But like he's really just a terrible person with terrible policies.

01:54:17.000 When he came in, he said his favorite president was Abe Lincoln.

01:54:20.000 That was, I think he was planning to sacrifice himself to free us from whatever this global tyranny, this economic order had been.

01:54:26.000 But then he learned as he became co-opted by the system when he left off.

01:54:29.000 He said his favorite president was Teddy Roosevelt.

01:54:31.000 So he completely let go of that whole Abraham Lincoln ethos while he was in office at some point.

01:54:35.000 So much wasted potential, honestly.

01:54:38.000 Funk Master General says, Ian, what happened to the live streams?

01:54:41.000 The masses are clamoring for them to return.

01:54:43.000 One more live streams.

01:54:45.000 They can't get enough of you.

01:54:46.000 Just a click button away, you know.

01:54:48.000 I put a couple videos up on YouTube.

01:54:49.000 Check them out if you want to get a fix.

01:54:51.000 Talking about God and spirits, actually, talking about spirits.

01:54:54.000 Why your thoughts affect reality because you're changing the shape of your neurons, which is altering your resonating field, which is then resonating, causing other people's neurons to change.

01:55:05.000 Anyway, your thoughts are directly influencing other people's thoughts.

01:55:07.000 And that thought about the spirits and how your thoughts are affecting, if they're within your resonation field, them, these high-frequency density things, and then they're changing, and then they're influencing it.

01:55:16.000 So you can like think healthy thoughts, change the spirits with these healthy thoughts, and then the spirits will then think, make you other people think healthy thoughts.

01:55:25.000 It's a wild ride.

01:55:27.000 Let's see.

01:55:28.000 Trump and the Rue Actual says Trump and the Clintons are still close friends.

01:55:33.000 Same with the Obamas.

01:55:34.000 It's all theater.

01:55:35.000 Trump is one of them.

01:55:37.000 He is proving every day he's not on our side.

01:55:39.000 I'm not sure that I agree.

01:55:41.000 I think that the fact that they were trying so hard to put him in jail makes me think that maybe he's not actually one of them.

01:55:49.000 You may not like what he's been doing or don't think that he's been doing enough.

01:55:52.000 And there's an argument to be had there.

01:55:55.000 You're entitled to your opinion.

01:55:56.000 But the idea that he's the same as the people that are trying to throw him in jail, I don't know, man.

01:56:03.000 Yeah, if you get in a swamp, people might think you're part of that swamp if they see you in there digging around.

01:56:08.000 And he's in there right now.

01:56:10.000 Rue Actual came back and said, if he was on our side, there would already be over a million deportations.

01:56:15.000 No, there wouldn't.

01:56:16.000 The NFA, IRS, and the ATF would be gone.

01:56:18.000 No, they wouldn't.

01:56:20.000 He would tell judges to get F and people would be in prison.

01:56:23.000 You're wrong on all of that.

01:56:24.000 Yeah, I kind of feel like he doesn't have that kind of power.

01:56:26.000 We're kind of overestimating amazing to me that he's able to have done what he's done so far.

01:56:33.000 So the a million deportations, it takes time to actually process the people.

01:56:39.000 I mean, I'm not even sure if you have enough time to grab, like, a million's a lot, man.

01:56:45.000 Like, a million's a whole lot.

01:56:48.000 The NFA, IRS, and the ATF would be gone.

01:56:50.000 That takes Congress, not Donald Trump, right?

01:56:53.000 Like, all of those things were created by an act of Congress.

01:56:57.000 So it would require an act of Congress to make Them go away.

01:57:02.000 You're saying that you wish Donald Trump would just be a dictator.

01:57:06.000 I don't think that that's a good thing for the country.

01:57:09.000 I do think that he's doing things that could have the results that you're looking for, but there is a process.

01:57:17.000 No one likes it.

01:57:18.000 No one likes to see the way the sausage is made, right?

01:57:21.000 That phrase means no one likes to see how things are actually done in DC.

01:57:25.000 And it's hard to pass legislation for a reason because the federal government isn't supposed to be passing legislation.

01:57:31.000 So you've got 100 years of garbage legislation that's been passed and 100 years of bureaucracies that's been created, maybe more.

01:57:41.000 One guy isn't going to get in there and in six months be like, bam, it's all set now, unless that guy gets in there and literally takes over the whole government with the military pointing guns at people.

01:57:54.000 Like, I understand where you're coming from, that you want these results.

01:57:57.000 And a lot of those results I want too.

01:57:59.000 But to think that that was ever going to happen was an error on your part because it was never going to be like that.

01:58:07.000 Let's see.

01:58:09.000 Skeebird says, my wife and I are continuing the tradition on the IRL while in labor with our third daughter.

01:58:14.000 Cheers.

01:58:15.000 Congratulations.

01:58:16.000 Thank you for letting us know.

01:58:18.000 We appreciate that.

01:58:19.000 Make babies, right?

01:58:21.000 Like making them is fun and having a family is cool.

01:58:25.000 Make babies.

01:58:26.000 So get married and make babies. 1.00

01:58:29.000 Let's see.

01:58:32.000 Dan Hall 960 says countries do not have morals only interest.

01:58:36.000 Yes, that is 100% true.

01:58:39.000 You can have a population that wants policies that ascribe to the population's moral outlook, but the countries themselves, they don't have morals.

01:58:52.000 They only have interests.

01:58:55.000 Smokey Mirror said, should EMP guns be legal as home defense weapons or as drones and cyber warfare type things become commonplace?

01:59:04.000 I mean, I don't know if they have EMP guns yet, right?

01:59:08.000 Like that won't fry everything, you know?

01:59:12.000 Would it shut the lights off if you pulled the trigger?

01:59:14.000 Or would it be like direct practice with that?

01:59:16.000 Yeah, I mean, I think I personally, I think that if they did have them, I think that they're probably non-lethal to humans as EMP weapons, like people, that doesn't really affect people.

01:59:29.000 So I can't imagine that being a problem for people owning them.

01:59:33.000 I mean, the government likes to get involved and say, you know, you can't own this with a lot of things.

01:59:38.000 So maybe they would stick their nose in.

01:59:41.000 But yeah, I don't think that that would be a problem.

01:59:44.000 Wyatt Claytonberg says, I watched Culture War today and I am an old fart and not with it. 0.59

01:59:48.000 Are young people's sexual relationships really that weird? 0.89

01:59:51.000 If so, the West is doomed. 0.96

01:59:53.000 Look, man, I think they probably are that weird.

01:59:59.000 There's a lot of kids nowadays that have not ever had any alcohol.

02:00:04.000 I think it's something like less than half of Gen Z has ever had any alcohol.

02:00:08.000 Kids aren't smoking weed anymore.

02:00:11.000 They're not going out and doing the things they used to do.

02:00:14.000 So I think you're probably right.

02:00:18.000 They probably are that weird.

02:00:20.000 So I didn't get the reference of the show.

02:00:23.000 I didn't see that part of the show.

02:00:24.000 Tinder made things weird.

02:00:26.000 Online dating sure made things strange.

02:00:30.000 Let's see.

02:00:32.000 Garrett says, DC is ruled by Congress.

02:00:35.000 DC was allowed home rule in 73.

02:00:37.000 DC home rule can and will be removed.

02:00:39.000 DC has zero say in the matter.

02:00:42.000 I mean, yes, that's true.

02:00:44.000 They do.

02:00:48.000 Gary goes on to say, complaining, yeah, I'm out.

02:00:48.000 Let's see.

02:00:51.000 You guys need fact checkers. 0.66

02:00:52.000 Too much ignorance being dropped tonight.

02:00:54.000 Meet before and talk about the topics and fact check yourselves.

02:00:57.000 Okay.

02:00:58.000 Gary.

02:00:59.000 Drop specifics, homie. 1.00

02:01:00.000 What was wrong?

02:01:01.000 Give the correction in the super chat.

02:01:03.000 Be a team player, Gary.

02:01:06.000 Joe Arnone says, thank God Ian is back.

02:01:08.000 The show is too boring without him.

02:01:10.000 Welcome back, Ian.

02:01:11.000 Arnold.

02:01:11.000 Everybody loves you, Ian.

02:01:12.000 Thank you.

02:01:12.000 Hi, Joe.

02:01:14.000 And then someone else says, Justin Green says, this idiotic crap like this, that makes me hate Ian. 1.00

02:01:20.000 I love these. 1.00

02:01:21.000 I love you so much.

02:01:21.000 What was his name?

02:01:22.000 Thank you, sir.

02:01:23.000 Who is he?

02:01:24.000 Justin, thanks for the expression.

02:01:24.000 Justin Green.

02:01:25.000 I love, sometimes I'll read, literally in the chat, I'll be like, Ian is the best. 0.99

02:01:28.000 Ian sucks. 0.68

02:01:29.000 It'll be like, I want a screenshot and just be like, life on the internet, baby. 0.99

02:01:34.000 MRP 1775 says, Phil, last night you said the U.S. has been stable since 1955.

02:01:34.000 Let's see.

02:01:41.000 Also, argument, also argued, government made a boo-boo with Fed in 1913.

02:01:46.000 Does former cut against latter not defend Fed WEF boo with capital 86?

02:01:52.000 Apologies if misconstrued.

02:01:54.000 I do think that it is, it is probably like you wouldn't have had the Cold War if it wasn't for the Federal Reserve.

02:02:04.000 You wouldn't have had a lot of the bureaucracy, you wouldn't have had all the bureaucracy that we have without the Federal Reserve.

02:02:09.000 I think that a significant portion of our, actually probably all of our big bloated government is because of the Federal Reserve.

02:02:18.000 If it wasn't for the ability to print money, I don't think that the government would have been able to have all of the bureaucracy.

02:02:26.000 They wouldn't have been able to engage in all the adventurism and wars abroad and stuff.

02:02:33.000 So it is possible that the U.S. wouldn't be able to do things like have the liberal economic order that has made the world a much better place after World War II.

02:02:46.000 But without the Federal Reserve, I mean.

02:02:49.000 But yeah, so let's see.

02:02:50.000 One last one.

02:02:51.000 Pinochet's helicopter tour says, Phil, look into what the job is of the 7th Special Forces Group is also stop glazing the CIA.

02:02:59.000 No, I'm not going to stop glazing the CIA, even though I don't know how I am glazing the CIA.

02:03:07.000 A lot of times people are like, if you don't criticize the things that I want you to criticize, then that means that you're glazing them or you're a shill. 0.73

02:03:14.000 It's like, I want to hear my opinions coming out of your mouth.

02:03:18.000 And if I don't hear my opinions coming out of your mouth, that means you're a shill. 0.99

02:03:22.000 Sounds very liberal.

02:03:23.000 I tell you what, there's a lot of people, a lot of people that get mad at you if you don't have their opinion.

02:03:28.000 And that's a very leftist liberal goal.

02:03:30.000 You know, if you want to hear your words in Phil's mouth, just super chat them.

02:03:33.000 There you go.

02:03:34.000 I mean, we'll read things that are critical as well as things that are positive.

02:03:38.000 So, all right, smash the like button, share the show with your friends.

02:03:42.000 Do you have any, where can people find you on the internet?

02:03:45.000 You can find me on X at RealAlex Lanes.

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02:03:54.000 Thanks for coming, Alex.

02:03:55.000 Thanks.

02:03:56.000 Carter.

02:03:56.000 Carter's in the house.

02:03:57.000 I've been trying to find this link.

02:03:59.000 What link?

02:04:00.000 It's to the song that me and Alex are going to do tomorrow.

02:04:04.000 It's inspired by it.

02:04:05.000 It's from the Sen Frontera score that I did, and I'm like trying to give it to y'all.

02:04:09.000 And I literally can't play it out.

02:04:10.000 While Carter's.

02:04:11.000 So yeah, go ahead.

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02:04:16.000 So find me, hit me up.

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