Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - LIVE Biden Farewell Address, Trump Secures END Of Israel Hamas War w-Bobby Sauce | Timcast IRL

00:00:25.000 It is a huge day for Donald Trump.

00:00:27.000 This man negotiated the end of the Israel-Hamas war.

00:00:31.000 He's getting credit from people who do not like him, and Joe Biden's trying to steal that credit.

00:00:36.000 But I am seeing people who love Palestine and are critical of Israel, and I see people who love Israel and are critical of Hamas, and they're all basically saying Donald Trump did an amazing thing, putting pressure to get this ceasefire agreement.

00:00:50.000 We're going to see how it plays out.

00:00:52.000 We'll be very interesting, but it's huge, huge news.

00:00:54.000 In the meantime, we got started a little bit early because at 8 o'clock, Joe Biden will be giving his farewell address to the nation.

00:01:01.000 I know many of you may be, well, you may not like this man, and you may not want to hear what he says, but I want you to do this.

00:01:10.000 If you don't like Joe Biden...

00:01:11.000 As you watch him give this speech, just imagine every word out of his mouth or every sentence is simply, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving.

00:01:19.000 And it doesn't matter what else he says.

00:01:21.000 He's just telling you he's leaving.

00:01:23.000 And in about four and a half days, oh boy, we're going to have President Donald J. Trump, and hopefully we'll get confirmations on everybody else.

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00:02:58.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Bobby Sauce.

00:03:02.000 Thank you for having me, sir.

00:03:03.000 Who are you?

00:03:03.000 What do you do?

00:03:04.000 Political comedian, joke maker, video creator, slayer of political demons.

00:03:10.000 Easy enough.

00:03:12.000 Raymond G's hanging out.

00:03:13.000 What's up, friends?

00:03:14.000 Raymond G Stanley Jr. I work here.

00:03:15.000 I do stuff.

00:03:16.000 American Mean...

00:03:17.000 American Marine veteran.

00:03:20.000 That's all I got.

00:03:21.000 I look forward to Joe bumbling and his talking and hanging out with Bobby Sass.

00:03:25.000 Brett's hanging out.

00:03:26.000 So you took that direction so well.

00:03:28.000 He'd have done that.

00:03:29.000 I'd be like, what do you want me to do?

00:03:30.000 So for those who couldn't see, I'm a Marine.

00:03:32.000 I can follow orders.

00:03:33.000 He knows hand signs.

00:03:35.000 And then he slid over.

00:03:36.000 Guys, yes, Brett here.

00:03:38.000 Normally Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.

00:03:40.000 I am hosting Pop Culture Crisis with Mary.

00:03:42.000 Tonight, however, let's talk politics.

00:03:45.000 Hello, everybody.

00:03:46.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:03:47.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.

00:03:49.000 I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

00:03:52.000 Let's go!

00:03:52.000 Here we are.

00:03:53.000 So, ladies and gentlemen, right now we are currently waiting for the...

00:03:57.000 You know, I hate to call him the president at this point. 0.98

00:04:00.000 The lame duck. 0.99

00:04:01.000 Let's call him the lame duck. 0.96

00:04:02.000 It's kind of sad considering it was one term and he's been a lame duck for the whole year. 0.77

00:04:06.000 But he's going to pop in at any moment.

00:04:08.000 So before he gets started, because we did start a little bit early because we didn't want to cut off his speech with introductions.

00:04:14.000 I'm curious.

00:04:17.000 They're taking bets.

00:04:18.000 On things that he's going to say?

00:04:20.000 I think there's a polymarket for whether he says malarkey.

00:04:23.000 I don't think he's going to say malarkey, but he's going to take credit for every single positive thing he's going to say.

00:04:28.000 It's all his fault.

00:04:29.000 He did it all.

00:04:30.000 Everything that can be cast in a negative light, he's going to blame on Donald Trump.

00:04:36.000 It was all Donald Trump's fault.

00:04:39.000 And so even watching this, we'll get some yucks out of it, but there's no point.

00:04:45.000 In actually paying close attention, because he's not going to say anything interesting.

00:04:50.000 He's not going to talk about any of his failures or anything.

00:04:53.000 He's not going to talk about Afghanistan.

00:04:54.000 And if he does talk about Afghanistan or anything, he's going to say how great of a job he did. 0.98

00:04:58.000 So it's all going to be just fluff and garbage.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, Bobby, you were saying it's going to be like nine minutes?

00:05:02.000 I'm thinking it's going to be nine minutes.

00:05:03.000 And I'm thinking the one guaranteed statement is going to be, it's not hyperbole.

00:05:07.000 It's not hyperbole.

00:05:08.000 Are you going to say no joke?

00:05:09.000 That's what he's going to say for sure.

00:05:11.000 I wonder if there's a polymarketer on whether or not he falls asleep mid-speech.

00:05:14.000 They have to cart him out.

00:05:16.000 Yeah.

00:05:16.000 That's why it'll be nine minutes.

00:05:18.000 He's just soggy.

00:05:19.000 He has nothing going on upstairs.

00:05:20.000 He didn't negotiate any deal.

00:05:22.000 He's soggy. 0.99

00:05:23.000 He's got a soggy brain. 0.98

00:05:23.000 It's going to be eight minutes. 0.98

00:05:24.000 That's all they can get out of him.

00:05:25.000 That's crazy, too, because we're obviously going to talk about the ceasefire deal.

00:05:29.000 This is huge news.

00:05:30.000 It's remarkable for me to see people who hate Donald Trump.

00:05:33.000 Posting on X how happy they are with Trump.

00:05:35.000 And there's this clip we got from Don Lemon's show where this woman is like, I don't like Trump, but my sources are saying Trump did this and Don Lemon just goes off.

00:05:43.000 He's furious.

00:05:45.000 No!

00:05:45.000 Donald Trump can't be the one ending wars and making the world a safer place.

00:05:50.000 But Joe Biden took credit for it.

00:05:53.000 Of course he did.

00:05:53.000 It was his diplomacy.

00:05:55.000 Abraham Accords were him too.

00:05:58.000 Yes.

00:05:58.000 He took credit for that?

00:05:59.000 I'm not sure, but I'm confident they were because of Joe Biden.

00:06:02.000 The Abraham Accords? 0.98

00:06:03.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he did those.

00:06:05.000 You think...

00:06:05.000 No, I don't think that at all.

00:06:07.000 But I think that's what he's going to say.

00:06:09.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:06:10.000 I'm wondering if Joe Biden comes out with his farewell address taking credit for the Israel Hamas ceasefire.

00:06:17.000 I mean, all of those are kind of great litmus tests for how much people actually pay attention to what's going on because they kind of did the same thing, not just because Trump negotiated the...

00:06:29.000 You know, the pullout of Afghanistan and then, of course, they botched it after the fact.

00:06:33.000 But if you knew the people who actually paid attention to politics, they would have known beforehand that he was the one who actually negotiated it and then they moved it up.

00:06:41.000 So whether they know Trump's relation to what happened with the Abraham Accords, the Israel-Palestine, this now, that's a good way to check to see if people are actually paying attention or just looking at headlines.

00:06:52.000 Most people, unfortunately.

00:06:54.000 Well, they've been taking credit for the oil production, which a lot of that came into play because of all the different changes that Trump made when he was in office.

00:07:02.000 And they're like, we're outputting more oil now than we were under him.

00:07:05.000 And it's like, yeah, because these things take time to drill, refine and all the rest.

00:07:08.000 And he banned Keystone and fracking on public lands, which is going to shock.

00:07:13.000 Production for the next several years.

00:07:15.000 Trump is going to go in on day one.

00:07:16.000 They're talking about 100 executive orders and a lot of it's going to be about oil.

00:07:20.000 It's going to be like get the energy flowing.

00:07:21.000 But you know when I think about it, maybe Trump needs a shadow president, right?

00:07:27.000 Because here's what happens.

00:07:29.000 Donald Trump negotiates the end of the Afghanistan war.

00:07:33.000 And then Joe Biden destroys it all.

00:07:35.000 And when it goes south, Democrats all say, well, it's Trump who negotiated.

00:07:38.000 This is his fault.

00:07:39.000 And it's like, Trump didn't negotiate you abandoning Bagram Air Force Base at three in the morning.

00:07:43.000 Oh, here we go.

00:07:45.000 Hey, Joe.

00:07:46.000 It's pre-recorded.

00:07:47.000 Of course.

00:07:48.000 Bro Biden.

00:07:49.000 Before I begin, let me speak to important news from earlier today.

00:07:53.000 Oh, here it comes.

00:07:53.000 Here it comes.

00:07:54.000 After eight months of nonstop negotiation, by administration, by my administration, a ceasefire, a hostage deal has been reached.

00:08:03.000 By Israel and Hamas. 0.94

00:08:04.000 Can you get it up?

00:08:05.000 The elements of which I laid out in great detail in May of this year.

00:08:10.000 This plan was developed and negotiated by my team.

00:08:14.000 Wow.

00:08:14.000 And will be largely implemented by the incoming administration.

00:08:18.000 That's why I told my team to keep the incoming administration fully informed.

00:08:23.000 Because that's how it should be.

00:08:25.000 Working together as Americans.

00:08:28.000 This will be my final address to you from the American people from the Oval Office.

00:08:32.000 From this desk as president.

00:08:34.000 And I've been thinking a lot about who we are, and maybe more importantly, who we should be.

00:08:40.000 Long ago, in New York Harbor, an iron worker installed beam after beam, day after day.

00:08:48.000 He was joined by steel workers, stonemasons, engineers.

00:08:53.000 They built not just a single structure, but a beacon of freedom.

00:08:58.000 The very idea of America was so big.

00:09:01.000 We felt the entire world needed to see.

00:09:04.000 The Statue of Liberty.

00:09:06.000 A gift from France after our Civil War.

00:09:10.000 Like the very idea of America, it was built not by one person, but by many people.

00:09:14.000 From every background and from around the world.

00:09:18.000 Like America, the Statue of Liberty is not standing still.

00:09:23.000 Her foot literally steps forward atop a broken chain of human bondage.

00:09:29.000 She's on the march.

00:09:31.000 And she literally moves. 0.86

00:09:33.000 She was built to sway back and forth to withstand the fury of stormy weather, to stand the test of time because storms are always coming.

00:09:43.000 She sways a few inches, but she never falls into the current below.

00:09:47.000 An engineering marvel.

00:09:49.000 The Statue of Liberty is also an enduring symbol of the soul of our nation, a soul shaped by forces that bring us together and by forces that pull us apart.

00:10:00.000 And yet through good times and tough times, we've have stood it all.

00:10:05.000 A nation of pioneers and explorers, of dreamers and doers, of ancestors native to this land, of ancestors who came by force.

00:10:15.000 A nation of immigrants who came to build a better life. 0.99

00:10:19.000 It sucks. 0.96

00:10:19.000 A nation holding the torch of the most powerful idea ever in the history of the world. 0.96

00:10:26.000 That all of us, all of us are created equal.

00:10:30.000 That all of us deserve to be treated with dignity, justice, and fairness.

00:10:35.000 That democracy must defend and be defined and be imposed, moved in every way possible.

00:10:47.000 Our rights, our freedoms, our dreams.

00:10:50.000 But we know the idea of America, our institution, our people, our values that uphold it are constantly being tested.

00:10:59.000 Ongoing debates about power and the exercise of power.

00:11:03.000 But whether we lead by the example of our power or the power of our example.

00:11:09.000 Whether we show the courage to stand up to the abuse of power or we yield to it.

00:11:15.000 After 50 years at the center of all of this, I know that believing in the idea of America means respecting the institutions to govern a free society.

00:11:26.000 The presidency.

00:11:28.000 The Congress, the courts, a free and independent press.

00:11:34.000 Institutions that are rooted, not to reflect the timeless words, but they echo the words of the Declaration of Independence.

00:11:46.000 We hold these truths to be self-evident.

00:11:49.000 Rooted in the timeless words of the Constitution.

00:11:52.000 We, the people.

00:11:55.000 Our system of separation of powers.

00:11:57.000 Check some balances.

00:11:59.000 It may not be perfect, but it's maintained our democracy for nearly 250 years, longer than any other nation in history that's ever tried such a bold experiment.

00:12:11.000 In the past four years, our democracy has held strong, and every day I've kept my commitment to be president for all Americans through one of the toughest periods in our nation's history.

00:12:24.000 I've had a great partner in Vice President Kamala Harris.

00:12:27.000 That's a lie.

00:12:28.000 It's been the honor of my life to see the resilience of essential workers getting us through a once-in-a-century pandemic.

00:12:36.000 The heroism of service members and first responders keeping us safe.

00:12:40.000 This is pre-recorded for sure.

00:12:41.000 The determination of advocates standing up for our rights and our freedom.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, there's like no incentive for it to be done.

00:12:47.000 Instead of losing their jobs to an economic crisis, we inherited millions of Americans.

00:12:53.000 There's no way that's a real window.

00:12:55.000 Millions of entrepreneurs and companies creating new businesses and industries, hiring American workers, using American products.

00:13:04.000 Together, we've launched a new era of American possibilities.

00:13:09.000 That's a lie.

00:13:10.000 One of the greatest modernizations of infrastructure in our entire history.

00:13:13.000 From new roads, bridges, clean water, affordable high-speed internet for every American.

00:13:20.000 Didn't they fail at that?

00:13:22.000 We invented the semiconductors.

00:13:23.000 Smaller than the tip of my little finger.

00:13:25.000 And now it's bringing those chip factories and those jobs back to America where they belong. 1.00

00:13:31.000 Creating thousands of jobs.

00:13:33.000 Finally, giving Medicare the power to negotiate lower prescription drug prices for millions of seniors.

00:13:41.000 And finally, doing something to protect our children and our families by passing the most...

00:13:48.000 Significant gun safety law in 30 years.

00:13:51.000 And bringing violent crime to a 50-year low.

00:13:54.000 Meeting our sacred obligation to over 1 million veterans so far.

00:13:59.000 We're exposed to toxic materials.

00:14:01.000 And to their families.

00:14:03.000 Providing medical care and education benefits and more for their families.

00:14:08.000 You know, it will take time to feel the full impact of all we've done together.

00:14:15.000 But the seeds are planted.

00:14:18.000 And they'll grow and they'll bloom for decades to come.

00:14:21.000 Bro, you salted the earth.

00:14:22.000 At home, we've created nearly 17 million new jobs, more than any other single administration, single term.

00:14:29.000 More people have health care than ever before.

00:14:32.000 And overseas, we've strengthened NATO. Ukraine is still free.

00:14:37.000 And we've pulled ahead of our competition with China.

00:14:40.000 And so much more.

00:14:42.000 I'm so proud of how much we've accomplished together.

00:14:46.000 Didn't he say he was going to cure cancer as well?

00:14:48.000 I wish the incoming administration's success.

00:14:50.000 Because I want America to succeed.

00:14:54.000 That's why I've held my duty to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition of power.

00:14:59.000 To ensure we lead by the power of our example.

00:15:04.000 I have no doubt that America's in a position to continue to succeed.

00:15:08.000 That's why my farewell address tonight, I want to warn the country of some things that give me great concern.

00:15:16.000 This is a dangerous concentration of power in the hands of a very few ultra-wealthy people.

00:15:23.000 The dangerous consequences if their abuse of power is left unchecked.

00:15:29.000 Today, an oligarchy is taking shape in America of extreme wealth, power, and influence.

00:15:35.000 It literally threatens our entire democracy, our basic rights, and freedoms.

00:15:41.000 And a fair shot for everyone. 0.99

00:15:43.000 It's not a surprise, but it's such garbage. 0.99

00:15:46.000 We see the consequences all across America. 0.99

00:15:48.000 And we've seen it before.

00:15:50.000 More than a century ago.

00:15:53.000 But the American people stood up to the robber barons back then.

00:15:57.000 Oh, the robber barons.

00:15:58.000 And busted the trust.

00:16:00.000 They didn't punish the wealthy.

00:16:02.000 Just made the wealthy pay to play by the rules everybody else had to.

00:16:06.000 Workers want rights to earn their fair share.

00:16:08.000 You can't even say that.

00:16:09.000 Exactly.

00:16:10.000 You know, they were dealt into the deal.

00:16:12.000 It did happen for the better part of the past 30 years.

00:16:13.000 It helped put us on a path to building the largest middle class, the most prosperous century any nation in the world has ever seen.

00:16:22.000 And we've got to do that again.

00:16:24.000 In the last four years, that is exactly what we've done.

00:16:27.000 That's a lie.

00:16:28.000 People should be able to make as much as they can.

00:16:31.000 But pay, play by the same rules.

00:16:33.000 Pay their fair share of taxes.

00:16:36.000 So much is at stake.

00:16:38.000 Right now, the existential threat of climate change has never been clear.

00:16:45.000 Just look across the country.

00:16:47.000 California, North Carolina.

00:16:50.000 That's where I signed the most significant climate and clean energy law ever.

00:16:54.000 Ever in the history of the world.

00:16:56.000 The rest of the world is trying to model that.

00:16:58.000 It's working.

00:17:00.000 Creating jobs and industries of the future.

00:17:04.000 Now, we've proven we don't have to choose between protecting the environment and growing the economy.

00:17:09.000 We're doing both.

00:17:11.000 The powerful forces want to wield their unchecked influence to eliminate the steps we've taken to tackle the climate crisis.

00:17:19.000 To serve their own interests for power and profit.

00:17:24.000 We must not be bullied into sacrificing the future.

00:17:27.000 The future of our children and our grandchildren.

00:17:30.000 We must keep pushing forward and push faster.

00:17:34.000 There's no time to waste.

00:17:37.000 It's also clear that American leadership in technology is an unparalleled, an unparalleled source of innovation that can transform lives.

00:17:47.000 We see the same dangers of the concentration of technology, power, and wealth.

00:17:54.000 You know, his farewell address, President Eisenhower, spoke of the dangers of the military-industrial complex.

00:18:00.000 He warned us then about, and I quote, the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power.

00:18:09.000 Six decades later, I'm deeply concerned about the potential rise of a tech-industrial complex that could pose real dangers.

00:18:20.000 For our country as well.

00:18:22.000 Americans are being buried under an avalanche of misinformation and disinformation enabling the abuse of power.

00:18:31.000 Free press is crumbling.

00:18:33.000 Heathers are disappearing.

00:18:35.000 Social media is giving up on fact checking.

00:18:39.000 The truth is smothered by lies.

00:18:42.000 Toll for power and for profit.

00:18:44.000 He's a brave little man.

00:18:48.000 Protect our children, our families, and our very democracy from the abuse of power.

00:18:55.000 Meanwhile, artificial intelligence is the most consequential technology of our time, perhaps of all time.

00:19:03.000 Nothing offers more profound possibilities and risks for our economy and our security, our society, for humanity.

00:19:16.000 Artificial intelligence even has the potential to help us answer my cold and cancer as we know it.

00:19:21.000 But unless safeguards are in place, AI could spawn new threats to our rights, our way of life, to our privacy, how we work and how we protect our nation.

00:19:32.000 We must make sure AI is safe and trustworthy and good for all humankind.

00:19:39.000 In the age of AI, it's more important than ever that the people must govern.

00:19:46.000 And as the land of liberty, America, not China, must lead the world in the development of AI. You know, in the years ahead, it'll help to be, it's going to be up to the president, the presidency, the Congress, the courts, the free press, and the American people.

00:20:08.000 We need to get dark money.

00:20:18.000 That's that hidden funding behind too many campaign contributions.

00:20:22.000 We need to get it out of our politics.

00:20:25.000 We need to do an act, an 18-year time limit, term limit, time and term, for the strongest ethics and the strongest ethics reforms for our Supreme Court.

00:20:35.000 We need to ban members of Congress from trading stock while they're in the Congress.

00:20:41.000 We need to amend the Constitution to make sure that no president is immune from crimes that he or she commits while in office.

00:20:50.000 The president's power is not a limit.

00:20:53.000 It's not absolute.

00:20:55.000 And it shouldn't be.

00:20:57.000 In a democracy, there's another danger of the concentration of power and wealth.

00:21:03.000 It erodes a sense of unity and common purpose.

00:21:07.000 It causes distrust and division.

00:21:11.000 Participating in our democracy becomes exhausting and even disillusioning.

00:21:16.000 And people don't feel like they have a fair shot.

00:21:19.000 We have to stay engaged in the process.

00:21:22.000 I know it's frustrating.

00:21:24.000 A fair shot is what makes America, America.

00:21:28.000 Everyone's entitled to a fair shot.

00:21:30.000 Not a guarantee, but just a fair shot.

00:21:33.000 And even playing field.

00:21:35.000 Going as far as your hard work and talent can take you.

00:21:39.000 We can never lose that essential truth.

00:21:41.000 Remain who we are.

00:21:43.000 I've always believed, and I've told other world leaders, America can be defined by one word.

00:21:50.000 Possibilities.

00:21:52.000 Only in America do we believe anything is possible.

00:21:56.000 Like a kid with a stutter from modest beginnings in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

00:22:00.000 Why do they all have facial expressions?

00:22:02.000 Sitting behind this desk in the Oval Office.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, why the face?

00:22:07.000 I understand the idea that they're trying to convey the emotion.

00:22:10.000 It's all around us.

00:22:11.000 Biden's not doing that.

00:22:12.000 Upstairs in the residence of the White House.

00:22:16.000 I've walked by a painting of the Statue of Liberty.

00:22:19.000 Biden's demeanor is very droll.

00:22:21.000 In the painting, there's several workers climbing on the outstretched arm of the statue that holds the torch.

00:22:31.000 There's a story of a veteran, son of an immigrant, whose job was to climb that torch and polish the amber panes so rays of light could reach out as far as possible.

00:22:51.000 He was known as the keeper of the flame.

00:22:55.000 He once said of the Statue of Liberty, Quote, speaks a silent universal language.

00:23:01.000 One of hope.

00:23:03.000 Anyone who seeks and speaks freedom can understand.

00:23:08.000 Yes, we sway back and forth to withstand the fury of the storm.

00:23:12.000 To stand the test of time.

00:23:15.000 A constant struggle.

00:23:16.000 A constant struggle.

00:23:18.000 A short distance between peril and possibility.

00:23:22.000 What I believe is the America of our dreams.

00:23:26.000 It's always closer than we think.

00:23:29.000 It's up to us to make our dreams come true.

00:23:32.000 Let me close by stating my gratitude to so many people.

00:23:37.000 To the members of my administration, as well as public service and first responders across the country and around the world.

00:23:45.000 Thank you for stepping up to serve.

00:23:48.000 To our service members.

00:23:50.000 And your family.

00:23:52.000 It's been the highest honor of my life to lead you as commander-in-chief.

00:23:56.000 Of course, to Kamala and her incredible partner, a historic vice president, she and Doug have become like family.

00:24:05.000 And to me, family's everything.

00:24:08.000 Except for your grandchild.

00:24:09.000 My deepest appreciation.

00:24:10.000 Our amazing first lady was with me in the ovals today. 0.98

00:24:15.000 For our entire family.

00:24:19.000 You're the love of my life and the lives of my love.

00:24:22.000 My eternal thanks to you, the American people.

00:24:27.000 After 50 years of public service, I give you my word.

00:24:31.000 I still believe in the idea for which this nation stands.

00:24:36.000 A nation where the strengths of our institutions and the character of our people matter and must endure.

00:24:44.000 Now it's your turn to stand guard.

00:24:47.000 May you all be the keeper of the flame.

00:24:49.000 Okay, what's the pay?

00:24:50.000 May you keep the face.

00:24:52.000 I love America.

00:24:54.000 You love it, too.

00:24:56.000 God bless you all.

00:24:58.000 May God protect our troops.

00:24:59.000 Thank you for this great honor.

00:25:01.000 Republicans that are a threat to the very soul of our nation, Joe?

00:25:04.000 Yeah, right.

00:25:05.000 He didn't say not hyperbole, though.

00:25:07.000 Wait, wait.

00:25:08.000 He's still just sitting there blinking.

00:25:12.000 So apparently, according to Trump War Room, that was pre-recorded.

00:25:18.000 And that's what I was looking at.

00:25:19.000 Like, right when it started, I looked down and checked my phone.

00:25:21.000 I was not just checking emails.

00:25:22.000 Actually, there's this post from...

00:25:26.000 Let me pull this up.

00:25:27.000 This is from Trump War Room, where they say that the official livestream accidentally caught his handlers queuing it up.

00:25:35.000 I couldn't find this, and they're not queuing it up.

00:25:39.000 They're...

00:25:39.000 This is kind of wild.

00:25:40.000 Is this for real?

00:25:42.000 Trump War Room is not just some random account that's posting nonsense.

00:25:47.000 Isn't it a real one?

00:25:48.000 Yeah, it's real.

00:25:49.000 And so you can see they're loading graphics.

00:25:52.000 And they said that...

00:25:53.000 I didn't see this on the official live stream.

00:25:55.000 So I don't know where they got this from.

00:25:56.000 But you can see all of these files.

00:25:59.000 And you can see 2025 Biden Oval Office Slate.

00:26:03.000 I wonder if, it's not that they're playing, it's not a video, it's an image.

00:26:07.000 I wonder if they were queuing up the prompter for him or something like that.

00:26:11.000 I do believe that was a pre-recorded message.

00:26:14.000 Yeah.

00:26:15.000 100%.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, there's no incentive for it not to be pre-recorded.

00:26:18.000 There's no reason that they would want me to.

00:26:20.000 He was asleep two hours ago.

00:26:21.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:26:22.000 He was out at like 6.30.

00:26:25.000 That's a good call.

00:26:26.000 What was the most egregious part of it, do you think?

00:26:28.000 The opening!

00:26:29.000 Let me pull that clip up. 0.95

00:26:31.000 Holy crap, dude. 0.97

00:26:32.000 Look at this. 0.97

00:26:33.000 Tim Kassnews has got it.

00:26:34.000 In his final address to the nation, Joe Biden shamelessly takes credit from Donald Trump for orchestrating the hostage ceasefire.

00:26:40.000 Negotiation.

00:26:41.000 By my administration.

00:26:44.000 A ceasefire and a hostage deal has been reached by Israel and Hamas.

00:26:49.000 The elements of which I laid out in great detail in May of this year.

00:26:55.000 This plan was developed and negotiated by my team and will be largely implemented by the incoming administration.

00:27:03.000 That's why I told my team to keep the incoming administration fully informed.

00:27:07.000 Wow!

00:27:08.000 Because that's how it should be.

00:27:09.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen.

00:27:11.000 Well, let's start from the beginning.

00:27:13.000 In this clip that we just played, Joe Biden takes credit for what is the Israel-Hamas ceasefire.

00:27:21.000 People on the left, people on the right, pro-Israel, anti-Israel, they're all celebrating Donald Trump.

00:27:27.000 Dave Smith said before the news was announced that if Trump does pull this off and there's no major concessions to Israel, he will enter his second term as a heroic president.

00:27:37.000 And if he also negotiates the end of the Ukraine war, put him on Mount Rushmore.

00:27:42.000 There have been other people who hate Donald Trump.

00:27:46.000 And I see them tweeting.

00:27:46.000 This is incredible.

00:27:48.000 Donald Trump pulled this off.

00:27:50.000 Actually quite amazing.

00:27:52.000 Now, Joe Biden has taken credit.

00:27:53.000 The first thing I want to show you guys, let's see if I can, not that one.

00:27:56.000 Here we go.

00:27:57.000 This is a White House statement from Joe Biden.

00:28:00.000 He said, I

00:28:38.000 laid out the precise contours of this plan.

00:28:43.000 Trump did it.

00:28:44.000 And he's going, yeah, but it's just like what I proposed.

00:28:48.000 So he's trying to take credit for it.

00:28:50.000 He takes credit for it directly.

00:28:51.000 But let's just watch this clip.

00:28:53.000 And you can see, this is a statement.

00:28:56.000 Donald Trump was directly involved.

00:28:58.000 It's his ceasefire.

00:28:59.000 Well, this is what I say.

00:29:02.000 You gotta turn that volume down here.

00:29:03.000 We had to crank the volume because of the...

00:29:05.000 Because he can't talk that long.

00:29:06.000 Because Biden was talking about this.

00:29:07.000 According to...

00:29:09.000 Diplomats who were involved firsthand in the negotiation.

00:29:13.000 President Biden refused to put any pressure on Netanyahu.

00:29:17.000 And ultimately, they gave up.

00:29:20.000 That any deal would happen.

00:29:22.000 It was...

00:29:23.000 And Don, you and I talked about Darius and Trump.

00:29:26.000 I have no love.

00:29:27.000 And I don't want to give Trump any credits.

00:29:29.000 But I know...

00:29:30.000 But I am in the business of telling the truth.

00:29:33.000 Donald Trump's intervention has been monumental in making the safe...

00:29:38.000 The ceasefire deal possible.

00:29:41.000 Just to make people understand, President Biden not only refused on multiple occasions to put any pressure on the Prime Minister of Israel to do any deal, people who were involved in the negotiation,

00:29:58.000 including Israeli negotiators, told me firsthand that very often they felt I love it.

00:30:28.000 Netanyahu already gave up on the hostages.

00:30:30.000 He was willing to sacrifice the hostages for his political desire to stay in power.

00:30:35.000 However, Donald Trump happened to be a transactional president, happened to be a transactional man.

00:30:40.000 He wanted to come to the White House with a win.

00:30:43.000 And that was always his approach.

00:30:45.000 Let me ask you this thing.

00:30:47.000 So why did they not wait until he took office, which is just going to be in about a week?

00:30:52.000 Because he didn't want to deal with this issue as he gets into office.

00:30:56.000 He wants this issue to roll up the table.

00:30:57.000 Roll up, roll up.

00:30:58.000 If you can get it done, why?

00:31:00.000 Exactly.

00:31:01.000 I think Donald Trump would like to have started off, we know Donald Trump, the day of his inauguration or on the day to announce a ceasefire.

00:31:08.000 The fact that it happened on Biden's watch, I think that leads many people to question whether it was.

00:31:15.000 Look, I'm not saying that you're wrong.

00:31:16.000 Let me just try something for you, Donny Boy.

00:31:19.000 Could it be that Trump actually cares the hostages get released?

00:31:22.000 Right.

00:31:23.000 Exactly.

00:31:23.000 Five more days.

00:31:25.000 When you are a political demon and you can't imagine doing something selflessly and not for political motivations, they can't imagine that somebody would do it just because it's the right thing to do.

00:31:34.000 That's right.

00:31:35.000 Like I was saying yesterday, it's kind of the officially kind of close to the same deal that Biden has been doing for months or their administration has been doing for months.

00:31:42.000 But Trump said, yo.

00:31:44.000 Netanyahu, this is what we're going to do.

00:31:45.000 Are you going to suck it up?

00:31:45.000 Are you going to like it?

00:31:46.000 I've heard reports that Netanyahu has been either not against getting the hostages back, but has not been trying very hard or whatever.

00:31:56.000 No, he doesn't.

00:31:57.000 I mean, that's basically what she was saying, that Netanyahu didn't care.

00:32:01.000 He wrote them off and was willing to let them die.

00:32:04.000 See, here's the thing. 0.69

00:32:07.000 Brett hit the nail on the head with the hammer.

00:32:08.000 These people are projecting.

00:32:10.000 Don Lemon was telling you what he would do, not what Trump would do.

00:32:14.000 He would let them suffer so that as soon as he came in, he could declare how great he was.

00:32:19.000 Trump says, I don't want that on my record.

00:32:21.000 You get those people free now.

00:32:24.000 Plus, it doesn't hurt that you have the leverage of a guy that's coming in in five days that's like, I'm going to rain hellfire down upon you.

00:32:31.000 And that kind of changes the leverage of the conversation a little bit.

00:32:34.000 Well, so there's this viral tweet here.

00:32:35.000 Second City Bureaucrat says, Israel's are reporting that Trump blew Bibi's back out.

00:32:40.000 And there's this post.

00:32:41.000 I'm not saying this is true, but it's a viral post.

00:32:44.000 And it says, there was no deal, lol. 0.99

00:32:46.000 The great and huge Donald Trump took Netanyahu's hand, bent it behind his back, bent it a little more, a little more, then pushed his head on the table and whispered in his ear that he would kick him into balls in a moment. 0.98

00:32:57.000 It's a shame Biden didn't realize this a long time ago. 0.98

00:33:02.000 It's fair.

00:33:03.000 That's fair.

00:33:03.000 I mean...

00:33:04.000 I'm just going to pretend that that's the case.

00:33:07.000 Look, remember, the United States has always had the United States, just because as much as Donald Trump is going to do great things and has done great things just by the force of his personality, the reason that people listen is because he's the president of the United States.

00:33:22.000 That means that it's the United States power, soft power and military power, that actually does the job.

00:33:29.000 So Biden could have done this at any point.

00:33:33.000 If he had the balls and people believed that he would follow through, he could have called up Bebe and said, look, this is going to happen. 0.87

00:33:42.000 And there's any number... 0.99

00:33:44.000 Of different levers of power that the United States has had at its disposal for the entire time that Joe Biden has been president, and Joe Biden is too inept or too much of a coward to actually do it. 0.98

00:33:58.000 So it's great that Donald Trump did this. 0.96

00:34:00.000 It's awesome.

00:34:01.000 But it's not like Donald Trump, the man, is what made this happen.

00:34:06.000 It's Donald Trump threatening to use the power that the United States of America has.

00:34:13.000 All, and the fact that Joe Biden hasn't done it is all because he's a terrible president.

00:34:19.000 I think a lot of the foreign policy we see, or I should say a lot of the actions we see overseas, particularly under the Obama administration, they wanted to happen.

00:34:31.000 The spread of ISIS, the deep state, Obama, wanted ISIS to dismantle Bashar al-Assad's government in Syria.

00:34:40.000 So they go, oopsie, it just happens.

00:34:42.000 When it comes to the war with Israel and Hamas, Joe Biden and the Democrats want it to happen.

00:34:50.000 Donald Trump, take a look at Ukraine.

00:34:52.000 The war is escalating.

00:34:55.000 It's coming up to the point of war and civil war under Obama.

00:34:58.000 Trump gets in, nothing.

00:35:00.000 Stops.

00:35:01.000 ISIS crushed.

00:35:02.000 Then Joe Biden gets in, war everywhere.

00:35:06.000 I'm sorry, but I see a pattern.

00:35:08.000 When these warmongers, there's a reason we call them that, get in power, war just happens all over the place.

00:35:14.000 And then when Trump gets to power, it doesn't.

00:35:18.000 And in fact, it's stopping.

00:35:20.000 I think the only reason Joe Biden, it didn't happen is because Joe Biden intentionally didn't want it to.

00:35:25.000 And the only reason he's taking credit for it now is because he has no choice.

00:35:28.000 Because Trump said, I'm the president, I'm going to be in five days, and I am going to destroy you.

00:35:33.000 And they're like, okay, okay, we'll stop.

00:35:34.000 Well, isn't this isn't the solution to every conflict every war every disagreement Communication and agreement between two powerful people and if you but whether or not you believe Putin in his interview with Tucker Carlson He's like he's not even calling me.

00:35:48.000 He's not even trying to talk to me It's probably pretty reasonable to believe that most if not all conflicts could be solved through negotiation and discussion and communication If he's not doing it, it's no wonder that this took this long.

00:35:59.000 I don't completely agree I think it's largely true because there's a reason people go to war. 0.97

00:36:05.000 They want something.

00:36:06.000 But I do think there are a lot of circumstances where he ain't convincing anybody of nothing.

00:36:10.000 The Taliban, I mean, Trump negotiated with them, but it was under threat, saying, we're going to back off, but if you go anywhere near these areas, we will come back and we will wipe you off the map.

00:36:20.000 And the only reason they're able to come in is because Joe Biden, like, intentionally does these things.

00:36:24.000 I'll put it like this.

00:36:26.000 Bagram Air Force Base abandoned in the middle of the night with no warning to the Afghan security forces.

00:36:32.000 That was on purpose.

00:36:34.000 That's impossible to be an accident.

00:36:36.000 You don't accidentally abandon an air force base.

00:36:38.000 Without telling them.

00:36:38.000 Right, and then letting locals ransack and loot the base and steal weapons.

00:36:43.000 That, I believe, and this is surface-level stuff because I don't got clearance or anything like that.

00:36:47.000 They want the chaos in the Middle East to justify further action. 0.87

00:36:51.000 We can go and blow up countries, remove governments, and they can use all the chaos as their justification for it.

00:36:58.000 Trump says no.

00:36:59.000 But, look, Vladimir Putin wants something from Crimea.

00:37:04.000 He wants Sevastopol.

00:37:05.000 He wants that area.

00:37:07.000 I don't think communication guarantees it ends.

00:37:13.000 Trump puts the weight of nuclear bombs behind his words.

00:37:17.000 And those are the kind of words that might actually stop the fighting.

00:37:20.000 Well, the point of that is, yes, I don't disagree, but I guess the point of what I'm trying to say is that ultimately it comes down to a negotiation.

00:37:27.000 It's like I'm twisting your arm, you're twisting my arm.

00:37:30.000 It's a negotiation that solves it ultimately.

00:37:32.000 I lose a power position, I lose the upper hand, whatever.

00:37:35.000 It gets negotiated out.

00:37:36.000 So at the very least, if it couldn't be solved purely on negotiation, then isn't it reasonable to say that you should probably be calling this dude regularly.

00:37:43.000 You should probably at the very least be in communication regularly to figure out what the deal is.

00:37:48.000 But if you just never call him.

00:37:49.000 It's no surprise that it would never end.

00:37:51.000 That was also a problem as well, because they would get mad whenever Trump would say, yeah, I talked to Putin, I talked to these guys, and then say, why are you talking to him?

00:37:57.000 Because they don't understand what diplomacy actually is.

00:38:00.000 One of the most interesting things she said in that interview was calling him a transactional president, meaning that is actually the point of diplomacy when you actually have leverage, which is that he will open lines of communication with them, but also they have to take worry that if he actually puts a threat out there, that he would enact it where they don't have to worry about it.

00:38:21.000 Transactional meaning deal-making.

00:38:23.000 That's the point.

00:38:25.000 Which is funny because that concept should be seen as a benefit to everyone, right?

00:38:30.000 You can't simultaneously call him an unhinged dictator and then also call him somebody who wants to go to the table and negotiate.

00:38:37.000 One of the things about Donald Trump is Donald Trump wants wins and Donald Trump wants victories.

00:38:43.000 He'll make deals.

00:38:45.000 I've long said that if the Democrats had embraced him at the very beginning of his presidency in 2017, if they'd embraced him and said, we love this guy, and patted him on the back and said, let's go win for America, if they had done that, he would have played ball and he would have been an asset to the Democrat Party.

00:39:06.000 He would probably not have had, he probably would have destroyed the MAGA coalition that Grew around him during his first term, and he would have essentially become a Democrat.

00:39:18.000 That's because he wants people to like him, and he wants to win.

00:39:23.000 So if it's not a situation of, oh, I have these deeply held convictions that I want to see happen, all he wants is good things for the country.

00:39:33.000 That was actually evident in the first term.

00:39:35.000 Do you remember when he sent invitations to all the members of the National Black Caucus and asked them to come in for a meeting?

00:39:41.000 And they all just refused to go in there.

00:39:43.000 He wanted to deal.

00:39:44.000 He wanted to play ball with everyone from day one, but they couldn't do that because they had backed themselves into the corner of calling him a bunch of names that didn't actually pan out.

00:39:53.000 If you look at what Biden was saying, he was basically saying, that thing Trump did, I did.

00:39:59.000 All the good stuff that Trump is about to do.

00:40:01.000 Actually, that was me.

00:40:03.000 Yep.

00:40:03.000 How's the point?

00:40:04.000 All the stuff I did and all the things that are coming, I planted the seeds for.

00:40:07.000 He's literally just vacuuming up as much credit as he possibly could.

00:40:12.000 I think the worst part of all of that was the talk about...

00:40:16.000 When he was talking about climate change and he was talking about, you know...

00:40:20.000 Securing a future for your kids and your grandchildren while not addressing the fact that the debt just keeps piling and the national debt just keeps growing and growing and growing.

00:40:31.000 They've sold out.

00:40:34.000 They've sold out your grandchildren's future long, long ago.

00:40:39.000 So to tie that to climate change, which is just another way to tax you anyways, is insane to me.

00:40:45.000 Oh, I love it too, because just to reiterate what we said the other day, we played this clip where Bernie Sanders is like, oh, Borod, climate change is coming.

00:40:52.000 And it's like, California enacts tons of regulations due to climate change.

00:40:58.000 They tax people at the highest rate in the state.

00:41:02.000 And then they fail to manage their problems and they get these wildfires and then blame it on climate change.

00:41:08.000 So basically what they're telling us is climate change mitigation does not work, right?

00:41:14.000 Well, because California is doing all this mitigation, right?

00:41:17.000 Didn't do anything for you?

00:41:18.000 Okay, well then stop.

00:41:19.000 What's the point?

00:41:20.000 You're wasting money.

00:41:20.000 Well, it's like, you know, people are saying like, oh, it's a natural disaster.

00:41:24.000 It's like, you don't have to do a thing to make a thing happen.

00:41:27.000 Like, for example, if I decrease the amount of the laws that happened if you broke into somebody's house, and then I turned off all the streetlights, and then I made it illegal for you to lock your door, your house is about to get robbed.

00:41:37.000 So that's exactly what happened there.

00:41:39.000 And they're like, no, it's the wind.

00:41:41.000 It's the exact thing that we want to throw more money at and squander more money at.

00:41:45.000 It's absolutely perfect.

00:41:46.000 Let's pull up this story from the Post Millennial.

00:41:48.000 Gavin Newsom faces recall effort over leadership failures amid LA wildfires.

00:41:54.000 To be fair, the man is under constant threat of recall.

00:41:58.000 They almost recalled him already.

00:41:59.000 So I can't say that I'm surprised that after this unmitigated disaster, and that's literal, he's facing another recall effort.

00:42:08.000 Now, the dude leading the effort...

00:42:10.000 This is Randy Economy.

00:42:12.000 I believe he's led an effort prior and was already in the process of preparing to recall Gavin Newsom, but I'm for it.

00:42:21.000 This guy should be removed from the governorship immediately.

00:42:24.000 The mayor of L.A. should be removed immediately.

00:42:27.000 And if they don't do it in California, I believe the federal government needs to intervene in whatever way they have to get a handle on what's going on.

00:42:38.000 I do not know how this country operates with rogue states in this way.

00:42:42.000 And it's not just about the wildfires, but it largely is.

00:42:44.000 It's also about the free health care for illegal immigrants.

00:42:48.000 Violation of federal law.

00:42:50.000 California and New York, they're both operating as rogue states in defiance of constitutional rights.

00:42:56.000 I don't know how we can be in a partnership at the federal level with Congress, the Senate, and the presidential elections with states that are in violation of federal law.

00:43:05.000 Is that in relation to sanctuary cities?

00:43:07.000 So what California does, sanctuary state, not just cities, they effectively allow people to cross the border in mass numbers, refuse to cooperate with federal government to deport them, effectively shield and protect these people.

00:43:22.000 Then you've got abject mismanagement.

00:43:26.000 But there's a litany of circumstances in which California has been defiant and in violation of federal law and abusing our federal system, notably how they use illegal immigrants to gain more congressional seats and more electoral college votes.

00:43:41.000 Then you've got the issue of them promising free health care to non-citizens. 0.98

00:43:45.000 So right now, you're paying the highest taxes in the country in California, and then your house burns down because there was no water and there aren't enough firefighters.

00:43:53.000 Don't worry!

00:43:54.000 The 23-year-old illegal immigrants got free healthcare.

00:43:56.000 And they've got $700 coming your way.

00:43:59.000 And the rest of the United States is going to have to help to pay for the rebuilding.

00:44:05.000 The rest of the United States is going to have to help pay for the infrastructure repairs.

00:44:10.000 It's insane.

00:44:10.000 No money!

00:44:11.000 If California wants money, it comes with federal oversight committees going into California and assuming control of all of the garbage they're operating. 0.98

00:44:21.000 And you know what?

00:44:21.000 Trump can appoint the person who does it.

00:44:23.000 Nationalize California.

00:44:24.000 I had an issue.

00:44:25.000 I had an issue with that at first.

00:44:27.000 Like giving them, they have to do this, do that, or whatever in order to get federal funding.

00:44:34.000 But if we don't do that, then it's going to make it worse.

00:44:36.000 It's going to hurt our economy.

00:44:37.000 It's going to hurt our state.

00:44:38.000 It's going to hurt...

00:44:40.000 Okay, I'm all on board now.

00:44:41.000 Let's go.

00:44:42.000 If homie comes up to me and he's like... 1.00

00:44:44.000 Who's homie? 1.00

00:44:45.000 Homie, my buddy.

00:44:46.000 I'm walking down the street and I see homie and he's shaking and he's like, bro.

00:44:49.000 That homie. 1.00

00:44:50.000 I need some money. 1.00

00:44:51.000 And I'll be like, bro, you're a drug addict. 1.00

00:44:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:53.000 Okay?

00:44:54.000 If I give you money, you're going to do drugs.

00:44:56.000 No, I need money for my rent.

00:44:57.000 Otherwise, I'll be homeless.

00:44:59.000 And then he points to his house.

00:45:02.000 His landlord's right there saying, you can pay the rent right now and he can stay here.

00:45:05.000 I'm going to be like, do you know why he needs rent money from me?

00:45:09.000 Because he's using his money for drugs.

00:45:11.000 If I enable him by giving him this money, it's not going to make his life better.

00:45:15.000 It's going to make his life worse.

00:45:16.000 He's going to take the money, take the freebie, and he's not going to solve his problems.

00:45:20.000 If we go to California and say, we're going to give you aid to cover the cost like Biden already did, basically.

00:45:25.000 Gavin Newsom says, okay, we're done.

00:45:27.000 I don't got to do anything right.

00:45:29.000 The money problem solved.

00:45:30.000 They won't fix the problem.

00:45:32.000 There will be more fires, more disaster, more DEI. The only thing that we can do, because these people do need help, is to say, we're going to write you a check, but we are going to send in oversight to manage how your government is operating because they mismanaged this.

00:45:47.000 Well, and the conditions are much like you would get conditions from your parents when you're in high school.

00:45:52.000 If you get straight A's, then you get permission to do this or whatever.

00:45:56.000 So it's not like the strings that they're attaching benefit them.

00:46:00.000 The strings they're attaching are for their own good.

00:46:02.000 These are precautions and benefits that will help them objectively and prevent them from being their own worst enemy, which is exactly what a parent does to a teenage kid.

00:46:10.000 It's the exact same thing.

00:46:11.000 It shouldn't have to be that way, but unfortunately it is.

00:46:16.000 Yeah.

00:46:17.000 Help out North Carolina.

00:46:19.000 Let's go North Carolina who are like, who's a good state.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, like I said the other night, they have been dragging their feet, taking care of North Carolina for eight, you know, what, three, four months now?

00:46:31.000 It's been so long.

00:46:31.000 When was it?

00:46:32.000 It was September, was it?

00:46:34.000 Yeah, it was September that the hurricane went through.

00:46:37.000 They've been dragging their feet since then, but they're...

00:46:41.000 All hopskippity on California because it's millionaires that lost their homes, and these millionaires were all donators to the Democrat Party, to Joe Biden's...

00:46:51.000 That's not possible.

00:46:52.000 I just heard from Joe Biden that all the rich people are...

00:46:56.000 Yeah, right?

00:46:57.000 And fires are bigger and more flamboyant, no pun intended, than floods.

00:47:02.000 It's a Democrat-controlled state, has been a Democrat-controlled state for, you know...

00:47:07.000 Decades now.

00:47:08.000 And these people largely donated to Democrats for a re-election.

00:47:14.000 So that's why they're so hobskippity on it. 1.00

00:47:16.000 I think it's the voice.

00:47:17.000 I think it's their voice.

00:47:18.000 Because celebrities can change and persuade people to do tremendous things.

00:47:22.000 So it's like, if you have a bunch of Hollywood types that say that we should try to kick Gavin Newsom out, the loudness of that is far more significant than any volume that could ever come out of.

00:47:31.000 So let me play this clip for you guys from Jimmy Kimmel.

00:47:37.000 It's very good to see you.

00:47:38.000 I heard you had to evacuate your home.

00:47:40.000 Yes, yes, like most people I had to.

00:47:42.000 I got lucky, you know, the winds moved, but, you know, the fire was coming and all that stuff, so I feel lucky.

00:47:49.000 And I think everybody did a great job.

00:47:51.000 Sure you did.

00:47:52.000 Out like the internet, you know?

00:47:54.000 Yeah, right, I know, right?

00:47:55.000 Can you say that when it's not even done?

00:47:58.000 Why didn't you just fly a helicopter into the ocean?

00:48:01.000 And then just, I don't know, because it was 100 knot winds.

00:48:04.000 You want to do that? 0.99

00:48:05.000 You want to do that at night, you lunatic? 1.00

00:48:10.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:48:11.000 Maybe we could put water in the fire hydrants.

00:48:13.000 That's just an idea.

00:48:16.000 Bill Burr, the man who admitted he doesn't actually read the news.

00:48:20.000 This was definitely mismanaged.

00:48:24.000 That's a big word we're hearing now. 1.00

00:48:27.000 Idiot on the internet knows how to manage the worst fire in LA sitting there in his underwear. 0.99

00:48:33.000 I mean, I'm wearing a hoodie, but I would start with putting water in the fire hydrant. 1.00

00:48:38.000 Having a reservoir is filled.

00:48:40.000 That's not that hard.

00:48:40.000 I would hire firefighters.

00:48:42.000 Sure.

00:48:43.000 You may not be aware, but firefighters are people who you hire to fight the fires.

00:48:48.000 I would have enough of them.

00:48:50.000 It's your classic example of... 1.00

00:48:52.000 What an idiot. 1.00

00:48:53.000 What do you pay attention to the news, you loser? 1.00

00:48:55.000 It's so much cooler to just sit at home and do absolutely nothing and just run away when they tell me or put on my diaper and my face when they tell me. 1.00

00:49:02.000 You know what?

00:49:03.000 Looking at the footage on the internet, I have determined that this here was mismanaged.

00:49:09.000 So this is the thing. 1.00

00:49:10.000 This guy's so dumb. 0.99

00:49:11.000 First, I want to stress that when we looked up the ratings for Jimmy Kimmel... 0.99

00:49:16.000 And I saw that his key demo ratings was 221,000.

00:49:21.000 You know, we're about just on the live show at two and a half times that.

00:49:24.000 I felt bad, you know, punching down on a little guy like Jimmy Kimmel.

00:49:28.000 That's what they say, don't punch down, right?

00:49:30.000 Yeah, you know, sorry about that, Jimmy.

00:49:32.000 I know you're an up-and-coming young star with your tiny little show.

00:49:35.000 I'm actually gloating because I'm so happy to see the failures of these networks because what Bill Burr is doing, and he is a funny guy.

00:49:43.000 When he was on Joe Rogan talking about how people need to wear masks outside, he was still very funny because he made fun of rollerblading.

00:49:50.000 Knuckles dragon.

00:49:51.000 That was really good.

00:49:52.000 And it's for you, Brett.

00:49:54.000 He was like...

00:49:55.000 He said, it's like, everybody rollerbladed, and there was one homophobic joke, and 100 million people threw their rollerblades in the ocean.

00:50:02.000 That's actually really good.

00:50:04.000 But he says in that, and then Joe, he says something like, Joe, you wouldn't do it.

00:50:08.000 You don't get the body for it.

00:50:09.000 Your knuckles would be dragging as you go.

00:50:11.000 He's a funny guy.

00:50:12.000 But the problem I have with this, he actually, everything he's saying is presented in a very comedic way, which makes you want to laugh.

00:50:20.000 The problem is, it's not a joke.

00:50:22.000 He's not saying, Here's a bit I've prepared.

00:50:25.000 He's literally saying the internet is wrong, the fire was managed properly, when it literally was not.

00:50:32.000 I think it's pretty clear that they didn't have water.

00:50:38.000 It's not water in the fire hydrant!

00:50:40.000 Like, how can you say, oh, it was managed properly?

00:50:43.000 And if you want to specify that it's not the fault, or the blame doesn't fall on the firefighters, absolutely.

00:50:51.000 100%.

00:50:51.000 I'm right there with you.

00:50:53.000 The blame does fall on the governor and it falls on the mayor of LA. The people that have decided to not pick up the deadfall in the forest and essentially clean the forest so that way this stuff doesn't happen.

00:51:11.000 That is part of what their job is by being the stewards of California.

00:51:19.000 California is a desert.

00:51:20.000 Everyone knows it.

00:51:21.000 They don't get a lot of rain normally.

00:51:23.000 They're going to have forest fires. 0.99

00:51:25.000 There's a lot of brush.

00:51:26.000 Like, that stuff's gonna happen.

00:51:28.000 And if you're elected to public office, it is your job to do whatever you can do to mitigate The risk and make sure that when there is forest fires, because they're going to happen to some degree, when there is a forest fire, that there's water in the fire hydrants.

00:51:47.000 And the fire chief said herself that they were understaffed and ill-equipped to handle it.

00:51:52.000 So it's just like your own people from the inside are literally saying it.

00:51:56.000 And California has Silicon Valley.

00:52:00.000 It has all of Hollywood, which, granted, Hollywood's not doing what it was doing 20 years ago, but they still make boatloads of money.

00:52:07.000 The tax base in California is not a problem.

00:52:10.000 They have the fifth biggest economy on Earth.

00:52:13.000 There is not a problem with money.

00:52:15.000 It is not a problem with they can't find the money.

00:52:19.000 You go and you ask Tim Cook, and Tim Cook will write a check and donate it and say, you know what?

00:52:24.000 Okay, here, this will be a great write-off, and this will be a great...

00:52:29.000 PR stunt.

00:52:30.000 Here's a bunch of money for the firefighters in LA or in Southern California.

00:52:33.000 That's something that Apple would do just for chuckles. 0.99

00:52:36.000 And you have multiple gigantic companies.

00:52:39.000 There was a time where Apple had more cash than the federal government.

00:52:44.000 That was a real thing.

00:52:45.000 So it's not like the tax base isn't there.

00:52:48.000 It's not like the money isn't there to do these things.

00:52:50.000 It's mismanagement because you had single-party rule, so nobody was pushing back on anyone else.

00:52:57.000 Nobody said, hey, you need to check that out.

00:53:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:01.000 It's an echo chamber, and nobody was saying, look, we need to make sure these things are being taken care of.

00:53:06.000 There's no checks and balances.

00:53:07.000 None.

00:53:07.000 They build a light rail to nowhere.

00:53:09.000 I mean, that is a...

00:53:11.000 God, that's...

00:53:12.000 Wait, they did?

00:53:13.000 Well, yeah.

00:53:14.000 They got one section done.

00:53:16.000 It's just an example of just government mismanagement and their inability to actually hold checks and balances to show that the projects that are getting such heavy funding are actually being completed.

00:53:26.000 Right?

00:53:27.000 I also, real quick, the president or the L.A. mayor is not the mayor of the Palisades and there's other counties who are, they're mayors.

00:53:36.000 No one's holding those folks accountable.

00:53:38.000 We're just focusing on the L.A. mayor.

00:53:41.000 So, you know, each town, each area has their own mayor, so we should just call them all out.

00:53:46.000 Maybe the question that he should have asked Bill Burr, and this is, of course, the problem with these types of shows, is it's not a new show, it's a comedy show, and they blend the two however poorly they do because they're not actually funny, is to say, well, if not having water isn't mismanagement, what would you have considered the threshold for actual mismanagement?

00:54:06.000 Or do you just let appeal to authority win and just say, oh, they must be...

00:54:10.000 Well, it's a perfect example of you just saying, like, oh, the adults are in charge.

00:54:15.000 They're going to take care of this issue.

00:54:17.000 So it's like, if you have that type of attitude, that means that you believe everything that they tell you every single time, no matter what.

00:54:24.000 It's learned helplessness. 1.00

00:54:25.000 And paying attention is actually stupid, and you're dumb for thinking about it. 1.00

00:54:29.000 And, oh, God forbid you sit at home and research these things and care about it. 1.00

00:54:32.000 Like, do you think Bill Burr did any research?

00:54:34.000 Of course not.

00:54:35.000 It's not like he did the research and then came to the conclusion that everything was fine.

00:54:38.000 He did none at all.

00:54:39.000 Now, the California High-Speed Rail Project was initiated in 1996, and they have zero trains.

00:54:46.000 Zero trains.

00:54:47.000 The reason why Karen Bass is getting flack is because it's LAFD that is fighting the wildfires. 1.00

00:54:51.000 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 So LA's an interesting place because when people say LA, they're referring to LA County, which incorporates all of that stuff.

00:54:59.000 But LA as a city is actually...

00:55:00.000 We talked about this last week or whatever.

00:55:02.000 LA as a city is actually quite small.

00:55:03.000 But that's where, like, the downtown area is.

00:55:05.000 The county's huge.

00:55:06.000 Yeah, the county's massive.

00:55:07.000 So when people say LA, they're referring to the county.

00:55:09.000 Okay.

00:55:09.000 It's the most populous county, I think, in America.

00:55:12.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:55:13.000 Maybe.

00:55:13.000 I don't know.

00:55:14.000 I'm pretty sure it is.

00:55:15.000 It has the largest police department of any county in the entire county.

00:55:19.000 I know the fire department had an $800 million budget.

00:55:23.000 Yeah.

00:55:24.000 So, like, there's people that were talking about the DEI initiatives and the cuts.

00:55:28.000 There's, like, $17 million that got cut.

00:55:30.000 And, yes, that's a sizable cut.

00:55:32.000 But when you have a budget of $800 million, it's probably not enough to actually make the difference.

00:55:41.000 The problem is the people.

00:55:43.000 The problem was mismanagement, not that they didn't have the funds.

00:55:46.000 So actually, I think I'm wrong.

00:55:48.000 I just looked it up, and it's listed in Wikipedia.

00:55:50.000 You know, we love Wikipedia.

00:55:52.000 It's part of LA. Oh, actually, yeah, it is part of LA. Interesting.

00:55:57.000 And the honorary mayor of...

00:56:00.000 So there's no real mayor.

00:56:01.000 There's an honorary mayor.

00:56:02.000 Do you guys know the honorary mayor?

00:56:04.000 Where?

00:56:04.000 Where are you talking about?

00:56:04.000 Pacific Palisades.

00:56:05.000 Okay.

00:56:05.000 Eugene Levy.

00:56:06.000 That's correct.

00:56:07.000 Yeah.

00:56:07.000 You don't know who that is, right?

00:56:08.000 Yeah, he's the actor dude.

00:56:09.000 I know all about him.

00:56:09.000 He's the dad from American Pie.

00:56:10.000 Yeah.

00:56:11.000 Oh, he's only honorary mayor?

00:56:13.000 Oh, I got lied to.

00:56:14.000 Sorry.

00:56:15.000 He should have been prepared for this.

00:56:17.000 I was about to cook this dude on Instagram Reels.

00:56:20.000 I was about to go after him.

00:56:21.000 He's like, oh man, that seems like all fun and games, and then the place burns down.

00:56:25.000 Check this out.

00:56:26.000 This is actually really interesting.

00:56:28.000 I didn't realize this is what L.A. was.

00:56:31.000 So I knew that Santa Monica and Beverly Hills were not L.A. I didn't realize L.A. was this ridiculous spattering of nonsense. 0.97

00:56:37.000 Wait, what? 0.99

00:56:38.000 So this is the blue line.

00:56:39.000 I think it's the blue line.

00:56:40.000 I don't care.

00:56:41.000 It's been a long time since I lived in there.

00:56:43.000 And it goes down to Long Beach.

00:56:44.000 But I didn't realize.

00:56:46.000 And Doug Stewart's the mayor of Malibu and all that.

00:56:48.000 You know, there's a bunch of people.

00:56:49.000 That's L.A. County?

00:56:51.000 No, this is L.A. City.

00:56:52.000 Oh, okay.

00:56:53.000 L.A. County is like this huge, massive town.

00:56:55.000 That's L.A. City.

00:56:56.000 That's hilarious.

00:56:57.000 County's right there to the left.

00:56:58.000 I love Ventura.

00:56:59.000 Yeah, so the Palisades are right here.

00:57:01.000 I got you.

00:57:01.000 And then so Santa Monica is its own place.

00:57:03.000 I don't know what this is.

00:57:04.000 What is this?

00:57:05.000 The veterans?

00:57:06.000 Administration.

00:57:06.000 I didn't know that.

00:57:07.000 I knew West Hollywood and Beverly Hills were separate.

00:57:10.000 Of course.

00:57:11.000 Culver City and all that stuff.

00:57:13.000 Inglewood.

00:57:13.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get to the facts here of the LA Fire Department.

00:57:16.000 Who's in charge?

00:57:17.000 Aaron Tipcast.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, the whole...

00:57:18.000 Oh, look at this.

00:57:19.000 I did not know it was...

00:57:21.000 San Fernando's tiny?

00:57:22.000 Yeah, it's very weird.

00:57:23.000 And in every single part of that...

00:57:25.000 No, I lived there for two years and I had no idea.

00:57:27.000 I lived in Thousand Oaks Camarillo for eight years.

00:57:29.000 I had zero...

00:57:30.000 Well, I wasn't down in the LA area.

00:57:32.000 Thousand Oaks is not...

00:57:33.000 No, it's beautiful.

00:57:34.000 I know.

00:57:35.000 It is great, though.

00:57:35.000 It's Ventura County.

00:57:36.000 Yeah, man.

00:57:36.000 I had a condo in Camarillo.

00:57:38.000 Let's go.

00:57:39.000 Sold cars.

00:57:40.000 Let's go.

00:57:40.000 Yeah, so we're not...

00:57:41.000 I don't think we can really rag on Eugene Levy for this one.

00:57:44.000 Okay.

00:57:44.000 Eugene, you gotta...

00:57:45.000 I think we should, though.

00:57:45.000 I think we should.

00:57:47.000 What was...

00:57:48.000 I'm going to...

00:57:49.000 Make all the actors think twice about taking those types of appointments.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:53.000 Honorary positions, too.

00:57:55.000 Actually, that would be funny to tweet out, like, where was Eugene Levy this whole time?

00:57:58.000 He's like, man...

00:57:59.000 Honorary mayor.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, anyway, well, I say goodbye to Gavin Newsom, but it won't get recalled because most people just sit around and don't care.

00:58:09.000 Dude, we almost had Elder.

00:58:11.000 Yeah, there was a recall just two years ago, right?

00:58:14.000 Or last year?

00:58:15.000 Indeed, indeed, that would be based.

00:58:17.000 It is pretty remarkable that there was a recall election, he survived, this happens, and there isn't a...

00:58:26.000 Actual, like, significant voices calling for him for another recall.

00:58:31.000 He just barely survived the recall, if I understand correctly.

00:58:34.000 He just barely survived.

00:58:35.000 And he's clearly shown, again, that he is incompetent and he's still there.

00:58:44.000 The idea that if this guy actually runs for president in four years, which that was the talk, if he actually runs and is nominated, Woe is the United States.

00:58:59.000 If he even gets to the point where he's nominated.

00:59:02.000 Could you imagine what would happen if every single fire hydrant in the country was empty?

00:59:06.000 Under his watch as president, that's what would happen.

00:59:09.000 All right.

00:59:10.000 If you make it illegal to show identification in a state, how could you trust that any possible thing could happen?

00:59:16.000 And that's why I think that the celebrities really represent, in a lot of ways, a threat.

00:59:21.000 What could ultimately be a benefit?

00:59:22.000 Because if the celebrities were all to say that he should leave, in the court of public opinion, I think that would be more effective at getting him out than any recall probably could.

00:59:30.000 Because by then, the attention dies down.

00:59:32.000 If this guy's getting ripped every single day by every major celebrity, that would be the one chance, I think, to get him out that really is there.

00:59:39.000 The problem, though, right, is the people who are going to stand up for him are the ones who are shielded from the repercussions of his actions because of the tax bracket they fall in.

00:59:48.000 So it's a unique situation.

00:59:50.000 Well, if there was ever a time...

00:59:52.000 Yeah.

00:59:52.000 Well, I mean, there was back and forth when Karen Bass was up for election with celebrities going back and forth between her and Rick Caruso.

00:59:59.000 And a lot of people had their opinions on who would be the best case for them there.

01:00:04.000 All right, celebrities.

01:00:06.000 Do something.

01:00:07.000 Let's jump to this next story from Reuters.

01:00:10.000 TikTok prepares to shut down app in U.S. on Sunday, sources say.

01:00:14.000 Good.

01:00:15.000 Bye.

01:00:15.000 I'm okay with it.

01:00:16.000 Not good.

01:00:17.000 I think it's great.

01:00:18.000 I was surprised that it's going to...

01:00:20.000 I assumed it was going to be one of those things where the phone just wouldn't update and then it would slowly become unusable, but it will eventually...

01:00:26.000 It will actually be removed.

01:00:27.000 TikTok is doing this intentionally and they don't have to.

01:00:32.000 One of two things has to happen.

01:00:33.000 They divest from their Chinese partner or they remove the apps from the App Store and the app still exists and can be downloaded off their website for anybody who wants to use it.

01:00:41.000 However, the rumor is that TikTok decided to shut down entirely to spite its users, tricking them into getting mad at Congress.

01:00:48.000 bill.

01:00:49.000 I also heard that Donald Trump is now touting the idea of trying to save TikTok.

01:00:53.000 He wants to do an executive order to put a 60 to 90 day hold on the ban.

01:01:00.000 Which I don't know that he has the authority to do because Congress has already passed and it's already been signed.

01:01:05.000 But I also completely disagree.

01:01:07.000 So in 2020, the concern was that TikTok was the most censorious platform for the right. 0.98

01:01:12.000 And it was propping up weird, woke, garbage ideology. 0.98

01:01:15.000 People like Dylan Mulvaney. 0.96

01:01:16.000 So then Republicans came out and said, why are we allowing a foreign country to have influence over our younger generation? 0.60

01:01:24.000 That's a security threat.

01:01:25.000 We should force them to divest.

01:01:27.000 And if they don't, then they can't operate on U.S. servers.

01:01:31.000 The Democrats were like, how dare you?

01:01:33.000 Gen Z said, how dare you? 0.84

01:01:34.000 We love TikTok.

01:01:35.000 And China said, uh-oh, they're coming for us.

01:01:38.000 So a couple years later, China basically says, ease up on the censorship of conservatives, make Trump look good.

01:01:45.000 And all of a sudden, a bunch of right-wing personalities started getting traction on the platform and immediately changed their opinions.

01:01:51.000 All of a sudden, the right was now, wait, I don't know if we should ban this, but it was too late.

01:01:56.000 After October 7th, when there was what appeared to be an artificial boost in anti-Israel, pro-Palestine content, Democrats and Republicans came together and said, it's time to stop TikTok from being able to control what people think in this country.

01:02:09.000 Now, the reason I say that is not because I'm biased one way or the other on Israel-Palestine.

01:02:13.000 There's a lot of legitimate criticism from the pro-Palestine side and anti-Israel.

01:02:18.000 The issue was, when October 7th happened, the majority of the content, it was largely pro-Israel, anti-Hamas.

01:02:26.000 And then over a period of a couple days on the weekend, it flipped completely.

01:02:31.000 That is not indicative of natural trends among people.

01:02:34.000 It's indicative of an algorithmic switch.

01:02:36.000 This triggered Democrats and Republicans to be like, we got to shut this down.

01:02:40.000 But when Republicans started getting traction and Donald Trump personally started getting traction, all of a sudden he was like, nah, maybe we don't want to do this anymore.

01:02:48.000 I say, shut them down.

01:02:52.000 Foreign governments do not have free speech in America. 1.00

01:02:55.000 They should divest.

01:02:56.000 And if they don't want to, this is a trick.

01:02:59.000 TikTok does not have to shut down.

01:03:01.000 They are doing it so that American users go, oh no, Trump is taking away TikTok from us.

01:03:06.000 Not true.

01:03:07.000 I also think that part of the reason why they want to shut down as opposed to sell it off or whatever is because the servers and the app itself is compromised.

01:03:18.000 Whoever were to purchase it would see what they were doing and also see the algorithm and probably see the algorithm, I assume, that they've been using.

01:03:26.000 And that would implicate the Chinese Communist Party in China.

01:03:30.000 I think there's a lot of other far more serious risks to the American people, the mind of the American people, than TikTok.

01:03:40.000 I think that China, for example, purchasing farmland in strategic positions around the United States is a far greater threat.

01:03:47.000 Different subject, though.

01:03:48.000 But they also own the entire slate of Hollywood.

01:03:52.000 They basically say, you can't put this in this movie or we won't show it in the Chinese market.

01:03:56.000 The largest movie.

01:03:58.000 Marketplace in the world.

01:03:59.000 Then on top of all that, they have a lot of influence in a multitude of other different aspects of American society, including sports.

01:04:06.000 The Daily Wire did a great six or something part series about how they're infiltrated into all these other parts of culture.

01:04:12.000 So to think that TikTok specifically represents some type of existential threat, I don't think is really true.

01:04:17.000 And if you want to say that, okay, they don't have the right to free speech or they can't collect this data, well then make a rule that this type of data can't be collected by any By any social media platform.

01:04:28.000 The issue is that they put Dylan Mulvaney on the front page.

01:04:30.000 That's the issue.

01:04:31.000 Is that proof, though?

01:04:32.000 Can you prove that that's the case?

01:04:34.000 That TikTok's algorithm puts...

01:04:36.000 That's a fact.

01:04:36.000 Can you prove that they put their thumb on the scale that that is the case because of them?

01:04:40.000 Yes.

01:04:40.000 How?

01:04:41.000 By going on TikTok, scraping the data and looking at what appears and what doesn't.

01:04:45.000 and actually we actually do rather simple experiments on tracking this data you'd have to replicate what we do probably a hundred times but i think it's fair to say it's easily done by any ai you take a look at dylan mulvaney's earliest videos which we did and they have nothing to do with being trans they are gay safari yes and what dylan mulvaney was doing was basically poking the algorithm to figure out what kind of video would go viral when dylan mulvaney came out as it's gay Safari wasn't really getting a lot of traction.

01:05:13.000 Then did the Omnine Binary.

01:05:15.000 Good amount of views.

01:05:16.000 Then the next video.

01:05:17.000 I'm now trans.

01:05:19.000 Double the views.

01:05:19.000 Then, hey guys, I'm trans.

01:05:21.000 Not so many views.

01:05:22.000 So, days of girlhood.

01:05:23.000 Boom! 0.99

01:05:24.000 Instant algorithmic success.

01:05:25.000 You can look at almost any creator on various platforms.

01:05:29.000 YouTube, it's true of the same thing.

01:05:30.000 Look at Mr. Beast's early content.

01:05:33.000 And you can see how it's not that they're intentionally sitting down and saying, how can we exploit the algorithm?

01:05:39.000 They're making content, and then content that works, they decide, hey, people like that.

01:05:44.000 I'll keep doing it.

01:05:45.000 So you can see on TikTok that woke, weird gender garbage and ideologies that break the minds of young people have been massively dominant on the platform. 0.95

01:05:55.000 And it was only when the right said, we are being censored, that TikTok switched it and gave conservatives a little bit.

01:06:02.000 But is that grounds for banning?

01:06:04.000 Yes.

01:06:04.000 But couldn't you say that every other mainstream news outlet in America, including Facebook, including Instagram, including Google, including YouTube, every single other platform does the exact same thing?

01:06:14.000 Well, I can sue Facebook in the United States.

01:06:16.000 They're Americans.

01:06:17.000 Yeah, but TikTok has established corporate ties in the United States.

01:06:22.000 Sure, so China can divest from it, and we've got no problem.

01:06:24.000 They can run their algorithm exactly as YouTube, X, and Facebook do.

01:06:28.000 We can complain.

01:06:29.000 We can make claims of government collusion, send investigative journalists and file lawsuits and FOIA requests.

01:06:35.000 Turns out X and Facebook, Twitter, I don't want to blame X because X is new, Twitter and Facebook were operating portals to allow the feds to go in to take down posts or to flag them.

01:06:44.000 And we don't know what TikTok does because all that's happening in China.

01:06:47.000 So China divest, TikTok stays, we're fine.

01:06:50.000 The problem right now is I'm not arguing for banning TikTok.

01:06:52.000 I'm arguing China divest. 0.94

01:06:54.000 I don't know why you would actually argue that China should be allowed to own it. - I just don't understand what is the grounds that require, I don't understand what forcing them to divest changes about this algorithm or changes about what they're doing there.

01:07:05.000 It doesn't.

01:07:06.000 Then couldn't theoretically China remain invested in it, but you have to reveal X, Y, and Z? Because is China not invested in a multitude of other different aspects of American society?

01:07:16.000 The U.S. just named Tencent as a military company.

01:07:19.000 It looks like the moves are happening on more than just TikTok.

01:07:24.000 And while the bill that was passed...

01:07:26.000 Specifically isolates ByteDance and TikTok.

01:07:28.000 It does go on to mention any other company that is being operated in a similar way by Russia, North Korea, China, or Iran.

01:07:35.000 But that bill is exceptionally vague and could cover a multitude of other different websites that TikTok is not the only one of.

01:07:42.000 It's not a ban specifically on TikTok.

01:07:44.000 It's actually a very...

01:07:44.000 Not a ban at all.

01:07:45.000 But it is.

01:07:46.000 It has a lot of very vague language that could affect American businesses, American websites that have nothing to do with TikTok.

01:07:53.000 In the details of the bill, because it doesn't just specifically ban TikTok.

01:07:57.000 It offers a lot of different privileges that could jeopardize...

01:08:01.000 It's like, do we want the government to have more power?

01:08:05.000 I thought that's what we were against.

01:08:06.000 I thought we were against giving them more power and more censorious power and more thought distribution censorship.

01:08:13.000 Isn't that bad?

01:08:14.000 Shouldn't we say that...

01:08:16.000 Any platform can't do X, and all of them have to be able to follow those exact same rules.

01:08:20.000 And if TikTok follows these rules, why should they be forced to divest?

01:08:25.000 Shouldn't they be forced to divest from the farmland?

01:08:27.000 Shouldn't they be forced to divest from Hollywood? 0.86

01:08:30.000 And no one disagrees with that.

01:08:32.000 Okay, so then – So why are we allowing – So we should force everything – Why are we allowing a foreign corporation to have such a strong control over the economy of the United States? 0.82

01:08:40.000 How do you – imagine this.

01:08:42.000 Imagine China being able to convince an American to argue for Chinese interests on a live show to 50,000 people right now.

01:08:48.000 Rand Paul said you have the right to hear the wrong information.

01:08:52.000 Who are we to say that you don't have the right to hear the information that's incorrect?

01:08:57.000 And the other thing, too, to go back— Foreign adversaries operate—I'll put it this way. If you went to the Founding Fathers and said, do you believe that free speech extends to all peoples, they would say, of course, Do you think it extends to our adversaries to leaflet in our country?

01:09:11.000 No, of course not.

01:09:13.000 Absolutely not.

01:09:14.000 There's a lot of psychological subversion that's happening on any multitude of digital distribution platforms that is going anti to our own.

01:09:22.000 And we have recourse against American platforms.

01:09:25.000 And I take issue with that argument.

01:09:27.000 The idea that, oh, there are other people that might do it, so we should allow TikTok to do it.

01:09:32.000 I don't think that's really a solid argument.

01:09:34.000 I think that, like, fair enough.

01:09:36.000 Like, there are other platforms that may?

01:09:39.000 Fine.

01:09:40.000 That doesn't mean that we should just say, well, because other people can do it, TikTok should do it.

01:09:45.000 So is the crux of the argument that TikTok shouldn't be able to psychologically subvert Americans that choose to download TikTok and choose to watch those videos?

01:09:52.000 China should not be allowed to operate a massive influence program and economic control on our younger generation.

01:09:59.000 If TikTok divests from China, then it's an American company, it can do it at once.

01:10:03.000 Is that to say that they don't have any other influence from China?

01:10:06.000 They will have influence, but then we have recourse.

01:10:08.000 But then don't you have to...

01:10:09.000 Divest Hollywood from China? 0.99

01:10:11.000 China's entanglement in Hollywood? 0.96

01:10:13.000 More people watch media produced from Hollywood than talk...

01:10:17.000 Not anymore.

01:10:17.000 Some of all television shows, all HBO, all movie theaters.

01:10:21.000 First of all, no.

01:10:22.000 I do think that there are more people that are actually watching TikTok and on a platform like that than are watching movies and stuff.

01:10:28.000 Because this is the new medium.

01:10:31.000 This is the new medium.

01:10:32.000 People...

01:10:34.000 People don't sit down and watch movies nearly as much as they used to.

01:10:38.000 A lot more people are on TikTok, first of all.

01:10:40.000 And second of all, TikTok shapes the information that you're getting.

01:10:45.000 They all do.

01:10:46.000 Everything shapes information that you're getting.

01:10:48.000 Except we can file lawsuits against American companies and the Supreme Court can protect us.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, but TikTok is incorporated in the United States and could be sued in the same way.

01:10:59.000 Only as far as American interests can press.

01:11:02.000 We can't go to China and ask them to release their servers and release data. 0.92

01:11:06.000 Here's what I'm trying to understand.

01:11:08.000 If a thing is wrong...

01:11:10.000 And it's like, okay, there has to be a law in place that universally applies that says that this thing is wrong.

01:11:15.000 Okay, well then, what is the thing that is wrong that we are supposedly solving that the ban solves on its own?

01:11:23.000 See, that's like a liberal argument.

01:11:26.000 No, but it is.

01:11:27.000 It's a literal philosophical liberal argument that there must be an underlying straight identifiable principle that affects all things that we can identify as either good or bad.

01:11:36.000 But that's...

01:11:37.000 I think that's, you know, right now, I would put it like for me, I came to a realization on this one.

01:11:44.000 We would describe it as probably a post-liberal principle where actually there is no happy medium.

01:11:51.000 There is no middle ground where we can definitively say one such thing is right or wrong.

01:11:56.000 Let me try and get specific because otherwise it's hard to understand.

01:12:00.000 The argument that we've often brought up on this show is should parents have the final say on medical issues for their children, yes or no?

01:12:07.000 Should parents have the final say on medical issues for their children?

01:12:11.000 Yes.

01:12:12.000 Yes.

01:12:13.000 So a parent who wants to give their 10-year-old a sex change should have the final say on that?

01:12:19.000 No, I guess.

01:12:20.000 It doesn't universally apply.

01:12:22.000 Okay.

01:12:22.000 So when conservatives and liberals both argued the exact same principle, parents can decide what is best for their children.

01:12:30.000 Conservatives said, you can't force my kids to get vaccinated, but I will force you to stop if you try to give a kid a sex change. 0.96

01:12:37.000 Democrats were inverted.

01:12:39.000 Democrats argued if the doctor prescribes a sex change, the parents should be barred from preventing it, and the children should not even tell them.

01:12:47.000 However, the government should be able to mandate vaccination.

01:12:49.000 So the principle of parental rights in medicine does not universally apply to morality or ideology.

01:12:55.000 In this regard...

01:12:57.000 I would say, based on the bill that we have, there is no universal principle of what we're going to identify as being right or wrong.

01:13:02.000 The issue is a foreign adversary has control over a large swath of the American people's psyche by feeding them specific information and convincing them to argue in the financial and security interests of China instead of the United States.

01:13:17.000 The idea that someone would come here and literally be like, China should be allowed to operate a mass media program in the United States to 112 million people blows my mind.

01:13:26.000 Like, it should be a simple, like, we don't allow them to do that.

01:13:29.000 Like, the argument is only they must divest and operate under U.S. law.

01:13:35.000 And then we can subpoena their servers, pull their data, and if they're harboring outside of the country, we can charge them and shut them down in the United States.

01:13:42.000 Right now, all we're saying is TikTok, divest from ByteDance, and keep doing your thing.

01:13:48.000 I still don't understand specifically what is the thing that they need to do that is solved as a result of them divesting.

01:13:55.000 If it's like, okay, then you have to be able to have our—your servers have to be able to be subpoenaed.

01:14:00.000 Then couldn't that just be the universal practice of all platforms?

01:14:04.000 I don't want Chinese interests to have a control over parts of our economy, be it farmland, be it TikTok, be it Hollywood. 0.64

01:14:11.000 And we can start by— With TikTok and other platforms they try to introduce, and it's going to be a game of whack-a-mole, but I do think it's important that we do it.

01:14:20.000 What if the information was correct?

01:14:22.000 Who cares?

01:14:23.000 Well, if you're blocking them because, if you're blocking this country, or insert any other country, if you're blocking the information from coming in that could potentially be correct, then we don't have the ability to see the correct information.

01:14:38.000 That's assuming we live in a country like North Korea and we have no means to do shows like this.

01:14:43.000 It's also assuming that the only place you could get the correct information is that one specific app.

01:14:48.000 The apps?

01:14:49.000 Yeah, okay, so I would...

01:14:52.000 I think that's kind of unlikely.

01:14:54.000 I can end this debate right now.

01:14:56.000 Do it.

01:14:58.000 How many followers do you have on YouTube?

01:15:00.000 5,100.

01:15:01.000 How many followers do you have on Twitter?

01:15:04.000 5,000 something, 5,500.

01:15:07.000 How many followers do you have on TikTok?

01:15:08.000 155,000.

01:15:10.000 That doesn't solve anything.

01:15:12.000 I make video content.

01:15:14.000 Video content does not trend.

01:15:16.000 Vertical.

01:15:16.000 You're arguing for the platform where you have a following.

01:15:18.000 Oh.

01:15:19.000 No.

01:15:20.000 That is not true.

01:15:23.000 And it's a false equivalency to suggest that my opinion is biased simply because my content works there.

01:15:31.000 For you to presume that that's the case is incorrect.

01:15:34.000 There's nothing to lead you to.

01:15:35.000 I made an assumption.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, you can make an assumption, but it's a false assumption.

01:15:38.000 That's how many followers I have on TikTok.

01:15:39.000 Yeah, that doesn't matter.

01:15:40.000 It does?

01:15:41.000 It's kind of a false equivalent, I feel like.

01:15:43.000 Basically, you're saying I'm only arguing because I want to benefit myself.

01:15:48.000 Yes.

01:15:49.000 Okay, well, you could presume that, but that's not the case.

01:15:51.000 If I had no followers on Twitter...

01:15:53.000 I don't think you read the bill.

01:15:54.000 I don't think you know what's in the law.

01:15:55.000 I can't recite it back and forth right now.

01:15:57.000 It's been a long time since it came out.

01:15:59.000 I think you're arguing for your platform.

01:16:01.000 I'm not arguing for my platform, though.

01:16:04.000 I have more followers on Instagram than I do on TikTok.

01:16:08.000 All right, fair point.

01:16:09.000 So I don't care about TikTok.

01:16:10.000 We have almost no flaws on TikTok because TikTok banned us like five times.

01:16:13.000 Right, and I don't like the censorious nature of TikTok.

01:16:15.000 What I understand is that giving the government more authority to do X and specifically to limit the distribution of thought because this thought is wrong and or it comes from this place, therefore it can't be correct, is a dangerous precedent and an additional power and an additional authority that we're already giving to a government that largely mismanages just about every possible thing.

01:16:38.000 So it's like, okay, they can ban this from China.

01:16:40.000 Well, now, couldn't they theoretically ban information from whatever else?

01:16:43.000 Doesn't it open the door?

01:16:44.000 It's not a ban.

01:16:45.000 There's no ban.

01:16:46.000 And what can't they do?

01:16:47.000 There's no ban.

01:16:48.000 There's no ban.

01:16:49.000 What can't they do?

01:16:50.000 Like, honestly, at the end of the day, if the government wants to do something, they can do it.

01:16:56.000 And the only thing stopping them is if the American people get loud enough and make enough of a stink, and that's it.

01:17:06.000 Because the Constitution is just a piece of paper.

01:17:07.000 And the government has gone around every single law, every single liberty the American people have that's protected by the Bill of Rights, the government has found a way around it.

01:17:19.000 So we should give them more power so they can do more censorship?

01:17:22.000 No, you're not giving them power.

01:17:24.000 They already have it.

01:17:26.000 So then why do they make the bill at all?

01:17:27.000 Why didn't they just do it?

01:17:28.000 Why do they have to vote on it if they already have the power? 0.77

01:17:30.000 That's how the power is exercised.

01:17:31.000 So it's just a procedure.

01:17:33.000 Let me tell you guys a story.

01:17:35.000 What is it that they can't do?

01:17:39.000 Then couldn't they have already forced them to sell it two years ago?

01:17:43.000 This is them doing it.

01:17:44.000 But if they have ultimate power and they could have done it anyways, then why even have the bill?

01:17:47.000 Why even have the show?

01:17:48.000 The power is derived through congressional action.

01:17:52.000 Everything's a dog and pony show.

01:17:54.000 Bobby, are you friends with Fang Fang?

01:17:56.000 I'm just kidding.

01:17:57.000 No, I mean...

01:17:57.000 Let me tell you guys a story that is completely unrelated to any of these platforms.

01:18:02.000 There was once a social media platform that allowed people to post videos singing songs.

01:18:07.000 It was marketed largely to young people on various social media platforms showing young people singing songs.

01:18:13.000 Okay.

01:18:14.000 This is a fictional story, by the way.

01:18:16.000 Oh, gotcha.

01:18:17.000 And all the kids love to sing songs.

01:18:19.000 And so when they signed up for the platform, they decided to try it out and see if this platform was right for them.

01:18:24.000 For many of these young people, they saw overnight they gained thousands of followers.

01:18:28.000 It was amazing.

01:18:29.000 In one instance, a prominent journalist decided to visit a production studio in Hollywood.

01:18:34.000 And he met up with another production specialist who showed this cool new app where you can sing songs.

01:18:39.000 And she had 300,000 followers.

01:18:41.000 Whoa.

01:18:42.000 And she played this app and said, let's do a video.

01:18:45.000 And when she did the video, she got tons of comments that said, wow, bang, high, cool, amazing, so good.

01:18:53.000 And the journalist said, isn't it strange that all the comments are saying nonsense words and not actually responding to you in any way?

01:18:59.000 How do you have so many followers on this platform?

01:19:01.000 You don't have any followers anywhere else, and you have no large body of work.

01:19:05.000 Shrug, says the production specialist.

01:19:07.000 the idea at the time again fictional story was that a foreign entity had produced a social media platform marketed to high school kids and then gave them fake followers to trick them into advocating for this platform instead of other social media platforms then later on when there was upset over what the platform had been engaged in politically a bunch of people with fake followers started defending it publicly again a fictional story i just made up to again these this is to presume that that

01:19:37.000 There is some inherent bias that position can only be held by a person who seeks to personally benefit as a result.

01:19:45.000 So if I deleted my TikTok right now, would that mean that that point no longer exists?

01:19:50.000 I made the point that I have no TikTok followers.

01:19:52.000 It's the inverse.

01:19:54.000 We have nothing to lose from TikTok because they banned us.

01:19:57.000 So here we are.

01:19:58.000 We don't care if they get banned.

01:20:00.000 Yeah, you don't care.

01:20:01.000 I don't know why you're defending China so much.

01:20:04.000 I'm not defending China.

01:20:05.000 I'm defending the limit.

01:20:06.000 The limitation of the distribution of thought.

01:20:09.000 And the fact that China so happens to own some piece.

01:20:12.000 Okay, well, what is it that we don't want them to be able to do?

01:20:14.000 We have to be able to review your servers?

01:20:19.000 Okay, fine.

01:20:19.000 Write that in.

01:20:20.000 Every social media company has to be able to be sued for libel, whatever, because of the servers.

01:20:24.000 Fine.

01:20:25.000 It can't collect this personal data.

01:20:27.000 Okay, write that in.

01:20:28.000 Every social media platform.

01:20:30.000 What do you mean no algorithm?

01:20:31.000 No algorithm.

01:20:31.000 What does that mean, no algorithm?

01:20:32.000 Every social media application has an algorithm.

01:20:34.000 No, that means you post reverse chronological only.

01:20:37.000 But that's the whole magic of the whole thing.

01:20:40.000 Right, that Chinese interest can determine what you can and can't see.

01:20:43.000 Every social media platform can determine what you see and don't see.

01:20:46.000 Every television station.

01:20:47.000 Some are American and some are Chinese.

01:20:49.000 Every radio station.

01:20:50.000 Yeah, but that's just to say...

01:20:52.000 If you want free speech, go to Rumble.

01:20:54.000 You got Parler, Rumble, Getter, X. There's tons of places you can post.

01:20:57.000 Minds.com.

01:20:59.000 I think there's a reasonable case to be made that your argument about me only arguing for TikTok would be inverse that you already have a huge platform on YouTube.

01:21:08.000 You already have it.

01:21:10.000 So you arguing against TikTok, which is a place where people that are smaller creators are actually able to gain prominence, you don't care.

01:21:17.000 You're never going to get the gas on Rumble that you're going to get on TikTok.

01:21:20.000 Why do you get it on TikTok?

01:21:21.000 You get it on TikTok because it's an interest-based algorithm.

01:21:26.000 Has the SEC audited TikTok's user base?

01:21:28.000 Hold on.

01:21:28.000 Listen.

01:21:29.000 The answer is no.

01:21:30.000 Fine.

01:21:31.000 The difference between TikTok and every other social media application is TikTok is an interest-based algorithm, which means that you don't have to have a...

01:21:39.000 It's not a subscription-based algorithm, which is like Rumble, like Instagram, like YouTube, like literally every other thing, including...

01:21:46.000 Instagram is not follower-based.

01:21:48.000 It's interest-generated.

01:21:50.000 I think that is more than not true.

01:21:54.000 My feed on Instagram is nobody I follow.

01:21:57.000 It's all random.

01:21:58.000 They only did that because TikTok has an interest-based graph that's...

01:22:01.000 I'm encouraging them to do that because they have to.

01:22:04.000 Because TikTok is based on interest, which means that you can discover new people.

01:22:08.000 You can have a thousand followers on TikTok and you can have a video get 15 million views.

01:22:12.000 The probability of that happening on any other platform basically does not exist.

01:22:16.000 I posit that those numbers are not real.

01:22:19.000 And that you are being manipulated into defending a platform based on fake numbers.

01:22:22.000 I got 7 million.

01:22:23.000 What proof do you have that the numbers are fake?

01:22:26.000 Can any number on any platform be determined as fake?

01:22:30.000 So for American companies that are publicly traded, they are under regulation through the FTC and the SEC, if they're publicly traded, to not do that.

01:22:38.000 Put the same rules on them then.

01:22:40.000 Say you have to be regulated so that you show the views are real.

01:22:43.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:22:44.000 But it still comes down to why should we allow...

01:22:49.000 Because it doesn't determine what American young people say.

01:22:52.000 People have free will.

01:22:54.000 They don't determine- You just said it was an interest-based algorithm.

01:22:56.000 It's an interest-based algorithm, which means if I watch videos about Pringles- Do they have content moderation policies?

01:23:01.000 Every platform has content moderation policies.

01:23:03.000 Does TikTok have content moderation policies?

01:23:05.000 Sure, every single platform does.

01:23:06.000 And it's Chinese interest determining what you are allowed to see. 0.87

01:23:08.000 Yeah, but they could determine what you're allowed to see on television, on radio, in movies, in movie theaters.

01:23:13.000 China, bro.

01:23:13.000 I'm so sorry.

01:23:14.000 I don't mean to interrupt.

01:23:15.000 It's not about China.

01:23:16.000 It's about- They are China. 0.98

01:23:17.000 Yeah, but that's just now it's China.

01:23:20.000 It's always been China. 1.00

01:23:20.000 Yeah, but that doesn't mean that sooner or later it's China and then it's conservatives and then it's people that believe in free speech and then it's conspiracy theories. 1.00

01:23:28.000 That's not a slippery slope.

01:23:29.000 I believe it is a conspiracy.

01:23:30.000 Sorry, they're China. 0.84

01:23:31.000 Not America. 0.89

01:23:32.000 I apologize.

01:23:33.000 Giving additional power to reduce the distribution of thought is a problem.

01:23:37.000 I think the U.S. government should ban foreign influence operations from...

01:23:42.000 Any adversarial nation that can be proven in court in an adversarial way, like this bill gives TikTok the right to file a lawsuit to counter the claims, which they've appeared to have lost.

01:23:53.000 The Supreme Court refused to issue a decision on decision day, meaning they may take up an injunction but likely will not.

01:24:00.000 This is TikTok losing the argument.

01:24:02.000 They had the argument.

01:24:04.000 They lost it.

01:24:04.000 Now, I do agree that there is a risk in that they'll say, oh, Russia is doing influence operations and they'll also accuse people of these things.

01:24:11.000 But this bill doesn't do that.

01:24:13.000 This bill only refers to platforms with more than one million monthly active users that allows users to—it's got four stipulations to determine what is a covered company.

01:24:23.000 Ultimately, I do not believe in this absolute libertarian position that in a time of conflict, a nation should allow its enemies to exploit it.

01:24:32.000 There is this liberal universal principle concept of, hey, look— China's going to run a program in this country.

01:24:38.000 We are obviously in a trade conflict, and we've got tensions over Taiwan.

01:24:43.000 War could break out at any minute.

01:24:45.000 But we should let them do this.

01:24:47.000 My view is, no, sometimes a people have to assert strong authority.

01:24:52.000 It has to exist.

01:24:53.000 But are we anti-fact-checker?

01:24:57.000 What does that mean?

01:24:58.000 Do you like fact-checking?

01:25:01.000 What does that mean?

01:25:03.000 What does that mean?

01:25:05.000 If we're anti-fact-checker, meaning that there is some authority that suggests that this information is correct or wrong, or you can see it or you cannot see it, isn't it safe to say that that's exactly what's occurring here?

01:25:18.000 If you're saying that this information that China's pushing out is wrong, then who determines that it's wrong?

01:25:24.000 It's not about the information.

01:25:25.000 But that's what he's saying, is that the information gets...

01:25:28.000 Do you know what Do Yin shows their kids?

01:25:31.000 What?

01:25:32.000 Do you know what Do Yin shows kids in China?

01:25:33.000 I'll be honest, I don't know what Do Yin is.

01:25:35.000 I mean, I'll start by saying this.

01:25:38.000 If you don't know what Douyin is, you shouldn't be arguing this at all. 0.97

01:25:43.000 Okay, well, I am arguing it.

01:25:44.000 Okay, well, Douyin is Chinese TikTok. 0.87

01:25:46.000 Okay.

01:25:47.000 So, Douyin in China shows kids math, science, astronomy, etc.

01:25:52.000 Fine.

01:25:53.000 What do you think happens to a generation of Americans that are raised on TikTok's gender-woke algorithm?

01:25:58.000 These people are using these applications with their own free will.

01:26:02.000 And then TikTok determines what appears for people and what does not.

01:26:07.000 So you're saying that we have to block information that we deem to be influential?

01:26:13.000 No, they have to divest from China.

01:26:15.000 Yeah, but I don't even see how that solves it.

01:26:16.000 I don't see how them divesting from China changes the influence that they have over the algorithm.

01:26:21.000 It means that we will have legal recourse in the United States.

01:26:23.000 And make it legal recourse and don't force them to divest.

01:26:26.000 What do they have to divest from?

01:26:27.000 If you have the legal recourse, it solves the problem.

01:26:29.000 Americans have a right to their opinions.

01:26:31.000 Chinese people do not have a right to assert opinions over Americans. 1.00

01:26:34.000 And we want it all to stop.

01:26:38.000 Okay.

01:26:38.000 That's just one of the ways.

01:26:39.000 But isn't the farmland around military installations far more threatening?

01:26:43.000 No, it's not.

01:26:44.000 It's not?

01:26:44.000 That's not the question.

01:26:45.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:26:46.000 Let me tell you why it's not.

01:26:48.000 112 million people on a platform, arguably assuming it's true, affects an entire generation into engaging in behaviors that will destroy a country from the inside out.

01:26:58.000 Farmland being owned is bad.

01:27:00.000 We can seize that with a finger snap. 1.00

01:27:02.000 But you can't seize back the minds of 12-year-olds who for 10 years used a platform that told them to cut their fucking balls off. 1.00

01:27:08.000 So, we don't want that. 1.00

01:27:10.000 But you're saying, but again, so then if Facebook says this, then what?

01:27:14.000 You can stop Facebook?

01:27:15.000 We did!

01:27:16.000 We literally did it!

01:27:18.000 Congratulations, we all won.

01:27:19.000 Trump got in, Zuckerberg bent the knee and said we're removing the restrictions.

01:27:22.000 Right, so okay, if X decides to do this, then what?

01:27:26.000 Decides to do what?

01:27:27.000 If it comes out that X is not a publicly traded company.

01:27:31.000 Twitter did it.

01:27:32.000 I literally sat down with the CEO and the head of legal for Twitter and explained to them that they had a biased rule set that was favoring people who were suffering a DSM-5 mental disorder and then...

01:27:43.000 Elon Musk bought it and ripped it to shreds.

01:27:46.000 Why should the United States allow TikTok, which is run by China, to operate in the United States when China doesn't allow Facebook or Google or any number of other American companies to operate in China without having strict...

01:28:05.000 Censorship laws.

01:28:05.000 Is that the metric?

01:28:07.000 I know, but why should we?

01:28:09.000 Yes, diplomatic reciprocity is normal.

01:28:11.000 Well, it's a communist.

01:28:12.000 They're communists.

01:28:13.000 It's a communist state, it seems to me, to compare what they do to their people as a metric for how we...

01:28:18.000 The reason they do that is because they want to control what information their people see.

01:28:22.000 Yeah, that's bad.

01:28:23.000 Information control is bad.

01:28:25.000 Why would we allow communists to control a large economic driver in the United States and information driver? 0.82

01:28:29.000 Because the moral hazard of restricting thought distribution is a problem and is an additional power that you're granting to an already bloated government that mismanages everything.

01:28:40.000 So you're saying that they are now...

01:28:41.000 China is not afforded the protections of the United States Constitution.

01:28:46.000 Sir, yes.

01:28:47.000 Again, it's thought distribution.

01:28:50.000 I'll just make this the simple argument.

01:28:53.000 TikTok has successfully convinced Americans to argue for constitutional protections on Chinese interests.

01:29:00.000 You could say that any social media platform...

01:29:03.000 I'm in favor of banning all trade from China.

01:29:05.000 I'm in favor of Donald Trump saying...

01:29:06.000 We've got to pay them back first.

01:29:07.000 ...30% tariff on all goods made in China, no matter what.

01:29:12.000 I'm in favor of severing diplomatic ties with China. 0.78

01:29:14.000 I don't care.

01:29:15.000 China has no rights in this country. 0.96

01:29:17.000 China should not be manufacturing American goods, selling them back to us, made by slave labor, and gutting our culture and our economy. 0.99

01:29:24.000 And so that they would have any interest in our media space that targets young people, That is in my opinion an act of war. 0.77

01:29:32.000 Sir, and I agree with the farmland. 1.00

01:29:33.000 That's a bunch of bullshit. 1.00

01:29:35.000 Bullish. 1.00

01:29:36.000 But owning land is minimal because one guy, one federal agent with a piece of paper and no weapon can take that land in two seconds.

01:29:44.000 Sure.

01:29:45.000 Yeah, we could do it ourselves if we wanted to.

01:29:46.000 But having Chinese control the minds of youth, I mean, I give zero F's. 1.00

01:29:50.000 But that's a stretch to just be like, they are controlling the minds of youth because people choose to go on this platform and consume information with their own free will.

01:29:58.000 The content that I watch on TikTok doesn't suggest...

01:30:01.000 And even if it did, to say that my free will is determined by the algorithm and I don't have agency to choose what I want to watch or not want to watch, I could also not have an account at all.

01:30:13.000 Sure, don't say you don't have an agency.

01:30:14.000 If what you were saying was true, Coca-Cola would never buy an ad again.

01:30:17.000 Bobby, not sir.

01:30:18.000 Bobby, you have your own agency.

01:30:21.000 If what you were saying was true, Coca-Cola would never buy another advertisement again.

01:30:28.000 Explain that to me.

01:30:29.000 Do you know how much it costs?

01:30:30.000 To run videos in front of people on the internet.

01:30:33.000 Yeah.

01:30:34.000 I have an elaborate understanding of it, in fact.

01:30:37.000 So China has a multi-billion dollar interest in determining what videos you get to see because advertising works.

01:30:46.000 Okay, but that means advertising is just...

01:30:55.000 Presenting an idea to a person that they can choose to purchase.

01:30:58.000 Selling an idea.

01:30:59.000 Okay, so then we ban the selling of ideas that we deem wrong?

01:31:03.000 We just say China shouldn't have the ability to do that in this country at scale.

01:31:08.000 And then what country is next?

01:31:10.000 Iran, Russia, North Korea.

01:31:11.000 And then what comes after that?

01:31:13.000 Whoever declares war on us.

01:31:14.000 People that are anti-government, perhaps?

01:31:16.000 That's not a country.

01:31:17.000 People that are anti-establishment?

01:31:18.000 That's not a country.

01:31:19.000 Yeah, but isn't this how all these things work?

01:31:22.000 It's like, oh, there's not an income tax.

01:31:24.000 It's only going to be on the rich.

01:31:25.000 And then, oops, the rich is a million.

01:31:26.000 Oops, the rich is a hundred thousand.

01:31:27.000 Slippery slope goes in every direction.

01:31:29.000 You can choose to allow China to send Dylan Mulvaney to children, or you can say, no, China, you can't do that. 0.96

01:31:33.000 Pick one.

01:31:33.000 I don't know that Dylan Mulvaney on a social media application Indeed I am not.

01:31:57.000 That's a strawman argument.

01:31:58.000 How? 1.00

01:31:58.000 Well, I never said anyone was too stupid. 1.00

01:32:00.000 I said influence operations work. 0.99

01:32:01.000 That's why Coca-Cola buys ads.

01:32:03.000 If you think Coke isn't successfully running advertisements and those ads appear because they don't know what to spend their money on, I got a bridge to sell you.

01:32:10.000 So the issue is when China, for instance, wants to run – oh, they run Xinhua in the United States as well.

01:32:16.000 And to a certain degree, you want to run a company like that, fine.

01:32:19.000 Fine.

01:32:19.000 We're talking about the scale of what TikTok is and the stranglehold they have over a large amount of young people.

01:32:24.000 The slippery slope goes in every direction.

01:32:27.000 If we say we will do nothing, we are saying the Chinese Communist Party can effectively control what 112 million people in the U.S. get to see. 0.56

01:32:35.000 And they're going to send them things that are bad for U.S. interests.

01:32:38.000 If we say we want China to divest, the argument is sooner or later, the U.S. will ban other countries.

01:32:44.000 Yep.

01:32:45.000 And there is no such thing as a happy medium.

01:32:48.000 The slippery slope goes in.

01:32:49.000 I think if you had a very specific outline of what are the things that any thought distribution platform has to follow, and all American companies included would have to adhere to these specific guidelines, and TikTok has to adhere to those same guidelines.

01:33:09.000 Then fine.

01:33:10.000 But to specifically isolate TikTok or China or whatever.

01:33:14.000 And I think that, look, I don't know...

01:33:15.000 The issue is Americans have a right to their opinions and the Chinese people don't have a right to opinions in America. 1.00

01:33:20.000 The Chinese communists, right? 0.81

01:33:21.000 So if you're an American...

01:33:22.000 Ideas are ideas, I don't know.

01:33:24.000 If you're an American and you're a leftist, you are allowed to say you're a leftist and promote leftist ideas.

01:33:29.000 If you're conservative, same thing.

01:33:30.000 If you are Chinese, you have no right to distribute those ideas in this country. 1.00

01:33:34.000 English people, British people, all these foreigners trying to tell us how to run our country, their words mean nothing to us. 1.00

01:33:41.000 But they can do it.

01:33:44.000 They're not running one of the largest social media platforms with no accountability, no transparency.

01:33:50.000 To all of our young people.

01:33:52.000 They're on a much more grand level than they are.

01:33:53.000 Well, they simultaneously send their children math and science.

01:33:56.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 Like, that is clearly an act of war.

01:33:59.000 I don't think so.

01:34:00.000 Do you think about that differently?

01:34:00.000 How, like, they give their kids two hours a day or whatever.

01:34:03.000 They do math.

01:34:04.000 Yeah, fine.

01:34:05.000 But they let the American people, like, do whatever the F's going on around there.

01:34:08.000 Like, come on.

01:34:09.000 Okay, then write into the law that any social media application can be pursued for more than two hours.

01:34:14.000 It gives a big government daddy, like you said.

01:34:16.000 Exactly.

01:34:17.000 I'm all against the government having more.

01:34:19.000 More authority to censor ideas.

01:34:22.000 That's giving government more authority by telling government daddy that you have to give the kids two hours a day. 1.00

01:34:28.000 I don't want that.

01:34:29.000 That's what you're saying.

01:34:30.000 I don't want that.

01:34:31.000 No, I'm saying that's what China does.

01:34:32.000 Yeah, who cares what China does? 1.00

01:34:33.000 I don't care what they do with their people.

01:34:37.000 I mean, I care.

01:34:38.000 You care what they do with our people?

01:34:40.000 So, once again, this is a liberal principle of, we will let our enemies...

01:34:44.000 We will let our enemies use tactics against us that we ourselves do not use.

01:34:48.000 I don't agree with that.

01:34:49.000 I take more of a post-liberal approach where you have to have some assessment that I think that that is a reasonable position

01:35:19.000 to have.

01:35:20.000 However, China already has a multitude of other influential...

01:35:23.000 That ties into all other aspects of American culture.

01:35:27.000 That's a fallacy, though.

01:35:27.000 How is that a fallacy?

01:35:28.000 Because we're not arguing farmland or Hollywood.

01:35:30.000 We're arguing one thing right now.

01:35:32.000 What about the NBA? We all agree on that.

01:35:36.000 The fallacy is, when I say X and you say Y, we're not talking about Y. You are right about Y. Let's figure out whether this ban in a bill right now should be implemented.

01:35:46.000 If the argument is, why don't we ban them from wanting farmland?

01:35:49.000 Agreed.

01:35:50.000 We'll do that next.

01:35:51.000 Tomorrow.

01:35:52.000 Okay.

01:35:53.000 I don't know.

01:35:53.000 I just think that the...

01:35:55.000 Look, I didn't read the bill because I didn't know that we were specifically talking about it except for seven months ago.

01:36:00.000 No, I read it seven months ago when it first came out.

01:36:02.000 And to me, it appeared to have a lot of vagaries that could affect all types of other websites and other unnamed countries and ultimately...

01:36:11.000 That's not true.

01:36:12.000 Thoughts.

01:36:13.000 It just specifically says China to talk?

01:36:16.000 It says North Korea, Russia, Iran, and China.

01:36:19.000 Okay.

01:36:19.000 Iran or Iran?

01:36:20.000 Iran.

01:36:21.000 And if that was passed, wouldn't a modification to include some other...

01:36:26.000 Thought process or country be a lot simpler.

01:36:29.000 The reference in the bill refers to another separate bill that pertains to acquiring materials from adversaries, acquiring or distributing, and it lists four adversarial countries.

01:36:39.000 The TikTok bill says a covered entity is one of those that is part of the adversaries listed in 18 U.S.C., blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:36:47.000 If Congress wants to amend any one of these bills...

01:36:51.000 Notably, the root bill which identifies adversarial nations to add another adversarial nation, that would actually affect any other bill attached to it.

01:36:58.000 So it wouldn't just affect this one bill.

01:37:00.000 But also, Congress does have the authority, the power, and nay, the privilege to determine who our adversaries are.

01:37:06.000 That's what Congress is supposed to do. 0.99

01:37:08.000 And I believe as a country, you need a governing body, should be Congress, to determine who our enemies are and to declare war when need be.

01:37:15.000 In this instance, saying...

01:37:17.000 Foreign adversaries shouldn't be running an app like this.

01:37:20.000 So what does it specifically say?

01:37:21.000 ByteDance, TikTok, their subsidiaries, entities controlled or owned by them.

01:37:26.000 Or it specifically says...

01:37:30.000 Foreign-controlled of these four nations, blah, blah, blah, that has a website or app, what does it say?

01:37:37.000 A website, desktop application, mobile application, augmented or immersive technology that, one, permits a user to create an account or profile to generate, share, and view text, video, images, real-time communications, two, has more than one million monthly active users with respect to at least two of the three months preceding the date on which the determination of the president is made.

01:37:55.000 Three, enables one or more users to generate or distribute content that can be viewed by other users on the website, desktop application, mobile, etc., etc.

01:38:02.000 And then four, enables one or more users to view content generated by other users.

01:38:06.000 So there's exclusions listed in it.

01:38:09.000 They get TikTok got 165 days to file a challenge, which they did.

01:38:13.000 And it appears that they've lost information.

01:38:15.000 The federal courts upheld this, and the Supreme Court largely seemed like...

01:38:19.000 They didn't see why China would have First Amendment rights in the United States, and there's nothing barring Congress from saying foreign adversaries can't operate this way. 0.64

01:38:27.000 If the president makes a determination under this code as it pertains to a website following these four criteria, they can issue a report to Congress for which Congress can then make a declaration that this other website operating like TikTok in a similar fashion would also be forced to divest from one of these four nations.

01:38:44.000 At that point, they would get 90 days to file action to challenge that.

01:38:49.000 So it's not a ban.

01:38:51.000 The only thing that would happen is if this goes through on Sunday, TikTok will be forced to remove.

01:38:56.000 Well, not TikTok.

01:38:57.000 Apple and Google would be forced to remove TikTok from the App Store.

01:39:00.000 The apps could still appear on their websites.

01:39:02.000 You go to TikTok.us and click download.

01:39:04.000 It'll go right to your phone, but not on the iPhone because iPhone's problem, not anyone else's.

01:39:07.000 But you could still get on Android. 0.91

01:39:09.000 Instead, TikTok said, no, screw you guys.

01:39:12.000 We are going to shut our company down to spite this law. 0.91

01:39:16.000 They could just divest.

01:39:19.000 Why not?

01:39:20.000 And now it says something to me that a company says we won't divest from China.

01:39:25.000 Why not?

01:39:25.000 I thought it was about just doing business, right?

01:39:27.000 You just want to run business?

01:39:29.000 Why wouldn't you divest from China?

01:39:30.000 And then they say, and we would rather shut the whole thing down than do so.

01:39:34.000 Sounds to me like this is a weapon against the American people and American children and not anything else.

01:39:39.000 Well, it's a negotiation position to assign the meaning of it.

01:39:46.000 It's like...

01:39:46.000 You would have more leverage by getting the people to speak up about it, which would be what would happen as a result of you doing that.

01:39:52.000 So it puts you in a better negotiating position in the public to do that.

01:39:56.000 The reason TikTok is shutting down is, according to the rumors, for illegal reasons, they want to offend as many TikTok users as possible with the blame being on the U.S. government.

01:40:10.000 Yeah.

01:40:11.000 That seems reasonable.

01:40:13.000 No, it's not because TikTok wasn't banned.

01:40:16.000 Well, they...

01:40:18.000 Again, you don't have to make something happen in order to make something happen.

01:40:21.000 If you effectively strip every right that you have, and then who does it go to?

01:40:24.000 It goes to Microsoft.

01:40:25.000 Microsoft's never done anything bad to the American people, so does that solve it?

01:40:29.000 Yeah, but again, like I said, if you can sue them in the United States.

01:40:31.000 I don't know.

01:40:32.000 I don't want to keep looping around.

01:40:35.000 It's just simple.

01:40:35.000 There's accountability for American companies.

01:40:37.000 It's hard to get, but it's possible, and we did it with Twitter and Facebook.

01:40:40.000 I just think limiting thought distribution, blaming it on specifically this one thing right now.

01:40:45.000 We're not banning TikTok.

01:40:47.000 I just think it's a risky precedent for limiting thought.

01:40:50.000 It doesn't limit thought to say divest from China.

01:40:53.000 For what reason do you think they should not divest from China?

01:40:57.000 It's not about them divesting from China.

01:40:59.000 That's all the bill does.

01:41:00.000 Yeah, well that's all this bill does.

01:41:02.000 That's like saying the income tax.

01:41:04.000 That's all the income tax did.

01:41:06.000 It's just a tax on the rich.

01:41:07.000 And it's temporary just to raise funds for the bill.

01:41:09.000 No, I'm saying why?

01:41:11.000 Why are you arguing China should be able to own this company?

01:41:13.000 I'm not arguing that China should be able to own this company.

01:41:15.000 I'm saying that there's nothing as permanent as a temporary government program.

01:41:19.000 There's a lot of things that they said would be a thing that ultimately...

01:41:22.000 We're not talking about temporary government programs.

01:41:22.000 I asked you a question.

01:41:23.000 Give me one reason why TikTok should not divest from China.

01:41:27.000 Again, I'm not saying that TikTok should not divest from China.

01:41:30.000 I'm saying that to give them the power to force any company to divest from any country, specifically because of psychological subversion or whatever they want to blame right now, is a strange...

01:41:44.000 I'm going to pause real quick.

01:41:46.000 They already have the power.

01:41:49.000 In World War II, we had the U.S. Office of Censorship, which literally ran controls over all information in the country and all news outlets.

01:41:56.000 A lot of us would find that offensive by today's standards.

01:41:59.000 This is much, much, much, much, much lighter than that.

01:42:02.000 It is simply saying, we don't want China to own a massive media company in the United States. 0.51

01:42:08.000 What's one reason why that That should be allowed.

01:42:11.000 Because thought should be allowed to be distributed and you should be able to hear the wrong thing.

01:42:16.000 Because people have agency.

01:42:18.000 I'll try one more time.

01:42:19.000 People have agency.

01:42:20.000 You don't have to download TikTok.

01:42:21.000 You don't have to watch the videos.

01:42:22.000 TikTok can still exist if they divest from China.

01:42:25.000 Yeah, but I don't know.

01:42:25.000 For what reason should they not have to do that?

01:42:31.000 Because...

01:42:31.000 Because then you're saying that any company should have to divest from any other company, even though that bill- From one of four countries.

01:42:38.000 Well, for now, until it's 10 countries, until it's 50 countries, until it's an ideology.

01:42:44.000 Anybody that's anti-government is not allowed to post on these platforms.

01:42:47.000 I'm just saying, you're just giving more power- The slippery slope goes in every direction.

01:42:51.000 Fine, but you're giving more power to a government that mismanages a lot of things, that I think does a really bad job.

01:42:57.000 If the only information that was true in the entire world, only- It's not an argument for why one country should not be allowed to run this company.

01:43:10.000 It's not about the one country.

01:43:11.000 It's about the principle as a whole for any country, for any thought to be limited.

01:43:17.000 Well, TikTok's not the only place in the world that has...

01:43:19.000 The right accurate information.

01:43:21.000 But what if it did?

01:43:22.000 What if?

01:43:24.000 What if I was like 5'10 and 500 pounds of muscle?

01:43:27.000 Look, a lot of the...

01:43:28.000 Look, I don't want to go...

01:43:29.000 We don't have to go down this road.

01:43:31.000 But I'm just saying, like, a lot of the Israel-Hamas conflict, a lot of that content was really, really circulating.

01:43:38.000 On TikTok.

01:43:39.000 Not before October 31st?

01:43:42.000 Fine, but nobody seemed to have a problem with TikTok until the information was circulating specifically there, and then it's like, oh, now we have to get it.

01:43:53.000 When was the first time the banning TikTok was proposed was before?

01:43:58.000 Well before.

01:44:01.000 When Trump originally initiated it when he was in office, yes.

01:44:06.000 But there was a proposal.

01:44:08.000 Proposal to ban TikTok before October 7th.

01:44:10.000 That's true.

01:44:11.000 From Republicans.

01:44:12.000 Yeah, and currently Donald Trump is against banning TikTok.

01:44:15.000 So why is he wrong?

01:44:17.000 Yes, he is.

01:44:18.000 It's because after October 7th, there was very limited content pro-Israel or pro-Palestine.

01:44:24.000 However, seemingly over the course of a single weekend, pro-Palestine content skyrocketed to like 168 million impressions or something.

01:44:34.000 Okay.

01:44:34.000 Researchers felt as...

01:44:36.000 I did, and many other of my friends who work in media, that it was indicative of an algorithmic switch.

01:44:41.000 We don't know because we have no access to that information.

01:44:44.000 But it would appear that China made a decision that in the United States, young people should favor Palestine.

01:44:49.000 I don't know or care who they should favor, but I don't think China should be able to make that decision for us. 0.98

01:44:54.000 We have X. We have Rumble.

01:44:57.000 We have Gab.

01:44:58.000 We have other platforms.

01:44:59.000 These things are hard to break through.

01:45:00.000 We went to war over Twitter and Facebook and Meta, and we won that war.

01:45:04.000 I don't think a foreign country should determine what young people think about foreign policy.

01:45:08.000 I think it should be our duty as Americans to resist the mainstream corporate garbage narratives among ourselves and not have China.

01:45:16.000 China's interest is not helping the Palestinians. 0.99

01:45:18.000 China's interest is causing internal conflict so that the Americans rip each other to shreds and then our young people become morons and our country falls apart. 0.99

01:45:25.000 And that's the thing that foreign entities want more than anything else. 0.97

01:45:30.000 They're not interested in actually having people.

01:45:34.000 Having the majority of America have one particular opinion, they're interested in the strife.

01:45:39.000 The less unified the United States is and the more the U.S. is at each other's throats, the better it is for foreign interests.

01:45:48.000 Chaos is the point.

01:45:49.000 I don't disagree with that, but I would wager that there's a multitude of other companies and industries and media conglomerates in the United States that operate in the United States that already do the same thing, of which none of these laws really apply.

01:45:59.000 And nothing stops them from doing that.

01:46:02.000 Russia today is...

01:46:03.000 It can't be in the US. It should be able to.

01:46:07.000 So I think what would help you out with this...

01:46:10.000 I liked RT. I thought it had some good stuff on there.

01:46:12.000 If you understood how US regulation worked, depending on scale, might help you understand.

01:46:17.000 So for instance, TikTok has an estimated 112 million users.

01:46:21.000 Okay.

01:46:22.000 A small app with 10,000 downloads that's from Russia is of no concern to us.

01:46:27.000 It doesn't matter.

01:46:28.000 So when it comes to regulation and laws, typically there's a requirement on how many employees you have and how much money you generate.

01:46:35.000 A lot of the laws pertaining to big tech and things around censorship, Section 230 liabilities, have to do with scale.

01:46:42.000 So some of the bills that were passed that we ended up debating over the past few years say the platform must exceed 100 million users.

01:46:48.000 And that's a massive threshold.

01:46:50.000 TikTok is...

01:46:53.000 We absolutely isolate large single companies.

01:46:56.000 Take a look at how the U.S. government went after Microsoft.

01:46:58.000 There's a ton of other companies that did the exact same thing Bill Gates did with Internet Explorer.

01:47:04.000 And we don't care because they don't have a monopoly. 0.83

01:47:07.000 TikTok has a large footprint and has enough power to make young people in this country mentally ill. 0.82

01:47:14.000 That is a bad thing.

01:47:16.000 If VK or some other app has a few thousand users, we don't care.

01:47:20.000 Now, if they get to that point where they're so large, they're actually disruptive to the economy.

01:47:23.000 I'll give you another really important point.

01:47:25.000 China controls TikTok.

01:47:27.000 With 112 million people on it, many of these people make a living.

01:47:31.000 TikTok choosing to shut down is causing economic damage to probably several hundred thousand people.

01:47:37.000 And that's TikTok choosing to do it, not the U.S. government.

01:47:41.000 TikTok has a choice to divest from China.

01:47:43.000 Or be off the app stores.

01:47:45.000 Still operate. 1.00

01:47:46.000 Instead, they said to those 300,000 small businesses that rely on TikTok, fuck you! 1.00

01:47:51.000 We will burn you to the ground before we divest from China. 1.00

01:47:54.000 That sounds to me like a weapon. 0.96

01:47:56.000 Well, it sounds like exactly what I said before, which is that it changes the court of public opinion.

01:48:01.000 It's a negotiating strategy. 0.99

01:48:03.000 They're not saying fuck you to those businesses. 1.00

01:48:05.000 Yeah, they are. 1.00

01:48:06.000 You don't need to shut them down.

01:48:08.000 Well, then...

01:48:10.000 If I say, you need to do this, and if you don't hop on one leg and bark like a dog, then I'm not going to make this thing happen.

01:48:17.000 And you're like, I don't want to do that.

01:48:19.000 I would say a better analogy would be like the king torching the peasants' fields and then blaming the neighboring country saying they did it.

01:48:25.000 One of the fundamental arguments you're making is that there's a slippery slope argument, but you've already acknowledged that RT is not allowed in the United States, and it's specifically because it is Russian propaganda or it's state-sponsored propaganda.

01:48:40.000 We don't allow North Korea to have a channel here in the U.S. that's state propaganda.

01:48:46.000 We don't allow other countries to have state-sponsored propaganda.

01:48:53.000 We do.

01:48:53.000 It just depends on scale.

01:48:55.000 BBC, Al Jazeera, Press 1, Xinhua.

01:49:00.000 Again, and also, what about...

01:49:01.000 Press 1's Iran.

01:49:02.000 Xinhua is China.

01:49:03.000 I don't think that you can broadcast in...

01:49:08.000 They're not on TV. I think it's Press 1, and their reporters are all over the US. But the point is, there are plenty of platforms that are banned by the United States.

01:49:21.000 So why is, and so the argument that it's a slippery slope, it's not a slippery slope.

01:49:26.000 It's just, it's like there are some that are, and there are some that aren't, and that depends on how much of a threat the United States decides it is.

01:49:33.000 That's a good point.

01:49:34.000 We do gotta go to superchats, but it is a good point that when RT was getting banned, there was no major hubbub or fervor over it.

01:49:39.000 No one cared.

01:49:41.000 And some people cared.

01:49:43.000 It wasn't until people's platform was threatened, they started defending TikTok.

01:49:47.000 Yeah, and I think it's fine that...

01:49:48.000 I think it's fine that the United States says these particular platforms or these particular channels, we think that what they're trying to do is actually a threat to national security and we're not going to allow them to broadcast here.

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01:51:14.000 Let's read what you got to say.

01:51:16.000 All right.

01:51:17.000 Robert De La Cruz says, What?

01:51:18.000 Me again.

01:51:19.000 You are number one.

01:51:20.000 Good job, sir.

01:51:21.000 Right on, Robert.

01:51:22.000 All right.

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01:51:32.000 Keep up the good work.

01:51:33.000 Thanks, Sean.

01:51:35.000 Right on.

01:51:36.000 Did you plug that back in?

01:51:38.000 I did.

01:51:39.000 I said can you plug it in.

01:51:40.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:51:41.000 Done.

01:51:42.000 And then YouTube crashed on me.

01:51:43.000 Oh, no.

01:51:45.000 All right.

01:51:47.000 Let's try getting our super chats back.

01:51:49.000 Here we go.

01:51:50.000 Uh-oh.

01:51:52.000 Let's see what we got.

01:51:55.000 Here we are.

01:51:56.000 Richard Devine says, Thanks for the 28th Amendment board.

01:51:58.000 P.S. Is it true that eight mansions that burned down were owned by Ukraine generals?

01:52:03.000 I have no idea.

01:52:04.000 I read that.

01:52:05.000 I'm not sure if that was true.

01:52:06.000 I at least saw that headline.

01:52:07.000 Why are Ukraine generals in the Palisades?

01:52:09.000 Yeah.

01:52:10.000 Why?

01:52:11.000 I'm just saying it's like China and TikTok.

01:52:13.000 Anyways.

01:52:13.000 Let's talk about that again.

01:52:14.000 No, no, no.

01:52:15.000 Let's go.

01:52:16.000 No.

01:52:19.000 The super chats are not forgiving to the defense of TikTok, I will say.

01:52:24.000 Polly Puree posted a series of frog emojis and said, Tim is right.

01:52:28.000 Free speech is for U.S. citizens, not for countries outside the USA like China. 0.50

01:52:33.000 USA. USA. USA. All right.

01:52:38.000 Let's read this one.

01:52:39.000 The text vet says he doesn't want to give the U.S. government more power because they might exploit, but he's defending the CCP having more power by the merger of corporation and state.

01:52:46.000 Make it make sense.

01:52:50.000 Okay.

01:52:51.000 One of the big points that Riley Moore was making on Friday was talking about just the, you know, it's also got to do with spycraft and with intelligence operations and data leakage and stuff like that.

01:53:03.000 Like, there's more to it than that.

01:53:04.000 But for another day.

01:53:07.000 To me, it's about giving the government power to limit people's ability to hear information.

01:53:14.000 They already have the power.

01:53:15.000 Well, okay.

01:53:17.000 Do you think RT should be unbanned and restored?

01:53:20.000 Yeah.

01:53:21.000 Yeah, I don't think we should be in the business of limiting information.

01:53:25.000 I think the more information, the better.

01:53:27.000 Like Rand Paul said, you have the right to hear the wrong thing.

01:53:29.000 It's not that it's limiting information.

01:53:31.000 It's limiting the one outlet.

01:53:35.000 If there's information that is on RT that goes through another app or whatever...

01:53:42.000 It can get to the American people.

01:53:44.000 I think my issue is that TikTok is a dominant platform that has no accountability to the United States and it limits information.

01:53:53.000 So, you know, with TikTok having 112 million users and banning certain ideas, it's a massive, powerful platform that we can't do anything about, we have no control over, and it limits information.

01:54:02.000 Google bans ideas, Facebook bans ideas, YouTube bans ideas.

01:54:05.000 But there's legal recourse to get involved in that.

01:54:07.000 And put the legal recourse in for TikTok.

01:54:09.000 We did.

01:54:10.000 No more Chinese interest.

01:54:13.000 There's literally not a single argument.

01:54:14.000 Nobody in China owns any Facebook stock?

01:54:17.000 Nobody in China owns...

01:54:18.000 Who cares about Chinese folks? 1.00

01:54:20.000 Does none of the...

01:54:22.000 Does the Chinese government own any piece of Facebook?

01:54:24.000 If they do, we will put a stop to it.

01:54:26.000 For now, we want to deal with TikTok.

01:54:28.000 Okay.

01:54:29.000 Wow.

01:54:30.000 Alright, the text vet says subversion...

01:54:31.000 That's a fun convo.

01:54:32.000 Subversion and exploitation along with propaganda and psychological exploitation is not open free will.

01:54:39.000 That's why these practices are illegal in business agreements.

01:54:42.000 Stop defending child exploitation.

01:54:45.000 Sorry.

01:54:45.000 Wait, that's me?

01:54:46.000 I'm defending Child Explication? 0.92

01:54:46.000 No, it's my bad. 0.92

01:54:47.000 Definitely Raymond, I'm my bad.

01:54:48.000 Wait, is that what they're saying?

01:54:49.000 I'm defending Child Explication? 0.92

01:54:50.000 Are they talking about you?

01:54:51.000 No, they're definitely talking about me, but I was just trying to make it better for...

01:54:55.000 You were making a point.

01:54:56.000 Well, how am I defending Child Explication?

01:54:58.000 I don't know, bro.

01:54:59.000 Oh, because of the thought.

01:55:01.000 Super Chat.

01:55:01.000 They're splitting the thought.

01:55:02.000 Super Chat.

01:55:03.000 Okay.

01:55:03.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's a stretch.

01:55:06.000 I think it's about ideas, but okay.

01:55:07.000 I don't know what that comes from.

01:55:12.000 Right, again, and then you're determining this is exploitation, this is not, whatever.

01:55:16.000 It's information.

01:55:18.000 Batm Media says, if you give California money, they're just going to waste it on...

01:55:21.000 I can't read it.

01:55:26.000 Alright.

01:55:29.000 Eric says, why so many China bootlickers in the chat? 1.00

01:55:32.000 I thought we voted these people out two months ago.

01:55:34.000 Amen.

01:55:37.000 Yeah, Donald Trump is wrong about a lot of things.

01:55:40.000 I mean, it's like Trump has successfully negotiated all these things.

01:55:44.000 He's so great.

01:55:44.000 All these things he's right about.

01:55:45.000 I would be curious to hear what is his position as to why it shouldn't be banned.

01:55:48.000 He said it's because he saw tremendous growth among the youth, one with 36 points, so maybe we should hold off on the ban and have a negotiated settlement.

01:55:55.000 I would bet it's a lot deeper than that.

01:55:57.000 It's probably the...

01:55:58.000 Okay, well, fine.

01:56:00.000 I always hear this about Trump. 1.00

01:56:02.000 It's like he's playing 500-dimensional upside-down chess, but he's also so dumb that all he has is this one position. 0.99

01:56:09.000 It's like he can't really be both things. 0.93

01:56:10.000 So I would wager that there's a lot more to it.

01:56:12.000 He just does what he always does, which is simplify a point to a very small digestible nugget.

01:56:17.000 And if we were to get him to long-form elaborate as to why he holds that position, I bet it wouldn't just be, well, I did well there.

01:56:22.000 Maybe it would, and we don't know, but I would wager that.

01:56:26.000 Donald Trump is good at some things.

01:56:27.000 He's not good at some things.

01:56:29.000 Sure.

01:56:29.000 He's right about some things.

01:56:30.000 He's wrong about some things.

01:56:31.000 As we all are.

01:56:32.000 He's great on foreign policy.

01:56:33.000 He proved that in his first term.

01:56:34.000 He sees tremendous benefit from TikTok helping him out.

01:56:36.000 So he says, okay, I'll kick you back.

01:56:38.000 So it's just for him?

01:56:39.000 He's just doing it just to protect himself?

01:56:41.000 He's already in.

01:56:42.000 He can't win again.

01:56:43.000 I think Donald Trump's motivations are not just about himself, but he sees TikTok as having turned around from what the problem was perceived initially by conservatives.

01:56:51.000 So now he's saying, okay, negotiated settlement.

01:56:53.000 They gave us part of what we wanted.

01:56:54.000 Let's talk about it.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, that's fine.

01:56:56.000 Yeah, when the bill was passed, the Supreme Court said they're not going to issue a decision on it.

01:56:59.000 It is constitutional, and China should be forced to divest. 0.96

01:57:02.000 Hooray.

01:57:04.000 Hey.

01:57:05.000 I'm still against it.

01:57:07.000 No doubt.

01:57:07.000 I'm still right.

01:57:08.000 Yeah, that's fine.

01:57:09.000 Hey, this is why we're here, right?

01:57:11.000 This is what it's all about.

01:57:12.000 Corowag says, Coca-Cola had actual Coke in it at one point.

01:57:15.000 People bought it out of free will.

01:57:17.000 Then why do we make Coca-Cola remove Coke from the recipe?

01:57:21.000 Because it's determined to be detrimental.

01:57:23.000 Same thing here, just tech versus food.

01:57:25.000 Well, I mean, like, tartrazine is in food, and that's detrimental, and we should get rid of that.

01:57:28.000 Yeah, so is OxyContin, but we could buy that.

01:57:32.000 There's a billion things that would fall out.

01:57:39.000 I don't think we should be in the business of banning things.

01:57:42.000 I think we should.

01:57:44.000 But did you see that Coke gave Trump an inaugural Diet Coke, presidential Diet Coke?

01:57:49.000 Did you see that?

01:57:53.000 Do you think that people should be allowed to sell heroin to children?

01:57:56.000 Uh-oh.

01:57:57.000 There we go.

01:57:57.000 I think that heroin should be legal.

01:58:00.000 Do you think someone should be able to sell it to a child?

01:58:02.000 I think saying that it's to be sold to a child is different than should it be able to be sold in general.

01:58:08.000 Okay, so including children and adults, should someone be able to openly sell heroin?

01:58:12.000 Not to children.

01:58:13.000 I would agree with the children thing.

01:58:16.000 Not having to be able to sell heroin to children.

01:58:18.000 Can they smoke it?

01:58:19.000 So some restrictions on goods being sold.

01:58:21.000 This is a moral line that you have.

01:58:24.000 Again, a good being sold to children a narcotic, I think that probably all drugs should be legal.

01:58:31.000 But not sold to children?

01:58:33.000 I think that there's an argument to say that no, they should not be able to be sold to children, but a willing adult, perhaps?

01:58:40.000 Why not a child?

01:58:43.000 I mean, do I really need to explain why drugs shouldn't be sold to children?

01:58:46.000 Yes.

01:58:47.000 Why?

01:58:47.000 Why do I need to explain that?

01:58:49.000 Because I don't believe...

01:58:50.000 Isn't that self-evident, though?

01:58:50.000 I don't know if you have a real moral position on the issue, because you said some things should be legal, and I'm asking if there's a moral limiting factor, and if you do have one, what is it?

01:58:59.000 I don't know.

01:59:00.000 Maybe I'm not smart enough to process that, but let's say that you use the same argument as it goes to TikTok.

01:59:06.000 Well, then, okay, then you can't be 18 to be on TikTok, which I'm pretty sure is already the law.

01:59:10.000 I'm pretty sure that's already the rule.

01:59:13.000 No, you can be 13, I think.

01:59:15.000 Okay, so then make it 18. Unenforceable anyways.

01:59:18.000 Unenforceable, but I don't think...

01:59:19.000 It's not U.S. law, though.

01:59:20.000 That's terms of service.

01:59:21.000 Okay, fine.

01:59:22.000 Well, make it the law.

01:59:23.000 We should ban social media for anyone under 18, I agree.

01:59:25.000 I don't think so.

01:59:26.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 I don't want to ban the distribution of ideas to anyone.

01:59:33.000 Do you know what phthalates are?

01:59:33.000 I don't like banning.

01:59:34.000 I just don't like the principle of banning.

01:59:36.000 Wait a minute.

01:59:36.000 Do you know what phthalates are?

01:59:38.000 No.

01:59:39.000 Or PCBs?

01:59:40.000 PCBs?

01:59:41.000 Yeah.

01:59:41.000 I've heard both of those terms, but I don't know.

01:59:43.000 So these are chemicals that leach out of plastics into our food and water that are called endocrine disruptors, and they cause physical, what's called abnormality, and they can cause mental problems.

01:59:57.000 It's endocrine disruptors, so it's hormonal imbalance issues.

02:00:00.000 Some people think that it's one of the reasons why we see a spike in gender dysphoria, because many of the young millennials and younger that were born today... 0.99

02:00:09.000 Go to an antique store.

02:00:10.000 It's really fascinating.

02:00:10.000 And you'll see that everything is tin or glass.

02:00:14.000 And then around the late 70s, 80s, we started putting all our food in plastics.

02:00:18.000 Phthalates PCBs begin leaching into food.

02:00:20.000 I believe that we should ban plastics for food because it is poisoning us.

02:00:25.000 Just like we said, we got to take lead out of gasoline.

02:00:28.000 It's going up in the air and it was...

02:00:29.000 Actually correlate with an increase in crime.

02:00:31.000 The reason why I think someone shouldn't be legally allowed to sell drugs to children is that it can create a psychological and physiological dependency that does not affect an adult in the same way as can social media.

02:00:42.000 So there are certain things that can destroy a society that we regulate against.

02:00:46.000 I think the government should.

02:00:48.000 I think good parents tell their children they can't have certain things.

02:00:50.000 and good leaders stop countries and people from consuming poison because it is not the job of the plumber to do research on why the PCBs are poisoning him or his children.

02:01:00.000 We do rely.

02:01:01.000 I'm not a libertarian.

02:01:03.000 I think there's a reason for an FDA. I think it's largely corrupt.

02:01:05.000 I would like to see it cleaned up.

02:01:07.000 RFK Jr., fantastic.

02:01:09.000 But this is why the U.S. government says, guys, we're not going to allow the use of plastics for these goods.

02:01:13.000 Many people may get mad.

02:01:14.000 It may be expensive.

02:01:15.000 But the problem is, we literally have an entire generation of people who are poisoned with endocrine disruptors.

02:01:20.000 Shut her down. 0.99

02:01:21.000 Yeah, I think that the child variable is the part of it that muddies the water of the discussion.

02:01:27.000 If you say, okay, it shouldn't affect children, okay, then if the discussion is about people that are willing and consenting adults, I think that simplifies the argument one way or the other, if we take that piece out of it.

02:01:38.000 Like no children should be able to get access to TikTok?

02:01:40.000 No, no.

02:01:41.000 What I'm saying is for the sake of the discussion to eliminate...

02:01:46.000 If it's like, okay, we both agree that kids shouldn't have...

02:01:48.000 Social media until 18. Then we agree on that, and then we argue the merits of the argument aside from that.

02:01:54.000 Assuming that all people are willing and consenting adults.

02:01:56.000 I don't think that we should ban social media for children.

02:01:59.000 I don't think that that's something that the government should be in the business of doing.

02:02:03.000 What about plastic?

02:02:04.000 I don't think that plastic should be banned.

02:02:07.000 I think if you were determined that this thing causes this specific issue, then you could ban the use of that thing.

02:02:14.000 Perhaps?

02:02:15.000 It does cause the issue.

02:02:16.000 We know it does, and it's mass-produced, and it's in everything.

02:02:18.000 Okay, so the government does a garbage job at doing lots of stuff.

02:02:23.000 Pretty much all things.

02:02:24.000 Hold on, I'm talking about your morals. 0.56

02:02:26.000 If we know that plastics are leaching into our food and causing problems in a lot of people, should we or should we not ban it?

02:02:34.000 Well, it has to be determined.

02:02:37.000 Is it unanimously determined by every single scientist in the entire world that that is true?

02:02:41.000 Yes.

02:02:42.000 Every scientist in the entire world says that that's the case.

02:02:44.000 I mean, you're making a straw man argument.

02:02:45.000 No, I'm just asking.

02:02:46.000 It was academically accepted that phthalates PCBs...

02:02:49.000 Well, it was academically accepted that that thing did the thing that it did.

02:02:54.000 Do you think...

02:02:55.000 Right?

02:02:55.000 Wasn't that academically accepted?

02:02:57.000 What thing?

02:02:58.000 Well, the thing that we can't talk about.

02:03:00.000 The mysterious thing and then the mysterious potion.

02:03:03.000 Thalidomide.

02:03:04.000 No, I didn't say that.

02:03:05.000 I don't know.

02:03:05.000 You said it.

02:03:06.000 I didn't say it.

02:03:07.000 Do you think thalidomide should be allowed to be ingested by pregnant women? 0.99

02:03:11.000 I don't know what fluidamide is.

02:03:15.000 Look, I'm a joke maker.

02:03:16.000 I understand the limitations of my intelligence.

02:03:19.000 I'm talking about the principle as a whole.

02:03:21.000 I'm not saying you're wrong.

02:03:23.000 I'm just talking about it from my perspective.

02:03:24.000 I don't know all these specific drugs.

02:03:26.000 I don't know as it relates to these things.

02:03:27.000 That's why I ask you moral questions.

02:03:29.000 What's that?

02:03:30.000 That's why I ask you moral simple questions to understand where you draw the line morally.

02:03:34.000 With what?

02:03:36.000 That's why I ask about plastics, right?

02:03:37.000 So we have products that are universally used that people don't realize kill them.

02:03:42.000 And a lot of people...

02:03:44.000 figured it out and they purchased reusable glass bottles to avoid ingesting foods that come from plastic though no matter what we still largely do we can't escape it we try our best i think that if a lot of people could see direct impact of say like eating lead paint chips they'd probably smack it out of a kid's hand and say stop doing that but unfortunately there are a lot of people who are doing their best to raise their kids and so they elected to to have governmental institutions to try and do that work for us because we decentralize we can't do it perfectly

02:04:10.000 now our government is largely corrupt and government itself largely is is is not a good function of things that's why rfk jr is now going into the f into the fda which is fantastic because we won those battles uh the price for freedom is eternal vigilance i do think a father tells their kid stop eating ho-hos and ding dongs run three laps and do push-ups no Nowadays, liberals say, what an abusive father.

02:04:36.000 How could he make the kids do that?

02:04:38.000 No, a good father was stern and told their kid what they had to do. 0.96

02:04:40.000 And a good leader tells his people, there are certain things that will kill you and kill us.

02:04:45.000 And so we regulate these things.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, but shouldn't, does that mean that we should ban cigarettes?

02:04:50.000 Banned alcohol?

02:04:51.000 Tim Likes, what do you think about cigarettes?

02:04:52.000 I heard a segment today about that.

02:04:54.000 Well, I very much hate cigarettes, but I largely agree that people should be able to free to choose so long as they're over the age of 18. Probably a lot more poisonous than plastic.

02:05:03.000 Over the age of 18, choosing to...

02:05:05.000 Huh?

02:05:06.000 What?

02:05:06.000 I just said I don't know.

02:05:08.000 No, I just said I don't know.

02:05:09.000 Okay.

02:05:10.000 My presumption is that cigarette smoking is more dangerous than endocrine neurotic disruptors, probably.

02:05:15.000 Choosing to smoke a cigarette that you know causes harm to you and is addictive is one thing.

02:05:21.000 Everyone in the country having no choice but to breathe in lead or be forced to take some kind of medication or to consume plastics without their knowledge is totally different.

02:05:30.000 So the knowledge is the issue, not the poison.

02:05:32.000 The knowledge.

02:05:33.000 Ubiquity and monopoly and scale.

02:05:35.000 People aren't forced to smoke.

02:05:36.000 They can choose to, but people are forced to consume from plastic.

02:05:39.000 Why?

02:05:39.000 Because every product is in plastic.

02:05:42.000 Every single...

02:05:42.000 Some things are sold in glass bottles, but largely they're not.

02:05:45.000 So scale has occurred.

02:05:47.000 And now everyone is ingesting these chemicals which are causing sickness.

02:05:50.000 Hence, the FDA just banned red dye 3. Because the average person doesn't know what it is.

02:05:55.000 Tartrazine, for instance, RFK Jr. brought up, most people don't know that Yellow 5 is this coal tar byproduct that's put in all of their foods for literally no reason, and they don't realize that it causes physical health effects.

02:06:07.000 I would say that the information is more important than the outright ban.

02:06:14.000 The outright ban is not as important as the information, right?

02:06:17.000 So couldn't you solve the problem through information as opposed to through banning?

02:06:21.000 The issue is scale.

02:06:23.000 If you were forced to smoke cigarettes, I'd have a problem with it.

02:06:26.000 Yeah, but you're not forced to use plastic.

02:06:28.000 Good luck finding food not wrapped in plastic.

02:06:30.000 But that doesn't mean that you're forced to.

02:06:33.000 You could go to the farmer's market and buy vegetables.

02:06:37.000 And that's what we do.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, but no one's stopping you from doing that.

02:06:39.000 So to say that you're forced to do it...

02:06:41.000 People who don't have money, they have no choice.

02:06:44.000 The issue is scale.

02:06:45.000 The issue is that the average poor person is eating garbage macaroni and cheese with no vitamins.

02:06:49.000 And we are trying to balance the issues of freedom and liberty.

02:06:52.000 But again, I will say, I am not a liberal who believes in universal principles.

02:06:56.000 Those don't exist.

02:06:57.000 Some things should be banned.

02:06:58.000 Some things should not.

02:07:00.000 Sometimes parents should have final say in whether they determine the medical issues of their children.

02:07:05.000 Sometimes they should not.

02:07:06.000 That's it.

02:07:06.000 Well, I think that there's sugar.

02:07:08.000 Morally determinate.

02:07:09.000 I think that sugar is in a lot of things, right?

02:07:12.000 And I was doing some research last night about the drugs.

02:07:16.000 Of the top ten drugs in America, prescription drugs, five of them are for diabetes.

02:07:21.000 And sugar is in absolutely every single thing.

02:07:24.000 And there's a lot of sugar in things that people don't even realize that there's sugar in it.

02:07:28.000 So what did they do?

02:07:29.000 They have to write on the back that there's sugar in it.

02:07:31.000 Did it change it?

02:07:32.000 I don't know.

02:07:32.000 Do people know that sugar is bad?

02:07:34.000 Yes.

02:07:34.000 Do they consume it anyways?

02:07:35.000 Fine.

02:07:36.000 If there was no plastic and plastic was to be banned, then the cost of food would be so high.

02:07:41.000 Is it better that that person has no food at all?

02:07:43.000 That's the debate.

02:07:44.000 It's like, I just don't believe, generally speaking, in the banning of things as the solution to things.

02:07:50.000 The government decree to ban is not necessarily the solution.

02:07:53.000 I was having this discussion with somebody the other day about GMO vegetables, and it was like...

02:07:57.000 If you were to ban GMO in the United States, which I probably think is good. 0.99

02:08:02.000 I think the initial thought is banning GMO is good.

02:08:04.000 Well, if GMO vegetables allows there to be a lot bigger bananas that could feed a whole family, and you can buy these bananas for considerably cheaper, then a person that is in poverty can afford to eat bananas and have it with their whole family.

02:08:19.000 If without it, then they would have maybe no banana at all.

02:08:21.000 So is it better to ban?

02:08:22.000 I don't know.

02:08:23.000 Let's carry this over to the Members Only show and have a big libertarian debate.

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02:08:52.000 It was a very fun time.

02:08:53.000 I had a freaking blast. 0.78

02:08:55.000 I'll say effing next time.

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02:09:02.000 I did find it funny that of all the headlines that this is going on, I saw somebody say that Bob Dylan joined TikTok today, so you're just a little bit late, bro. 0.96

02:09:10.000 That's why Bob Dylan sucks, as I've always said.

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