Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - LIVE From America Fest, Last Episode of the Year w- Charlie Kirk, Matt Gaetz | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:01:29.000 Hey.

00:01:36.000 Welcome to our big end-of-the-year show.

00:01:40.000 This is amazing.

00:01:41.000 We have so much to talk about, and we have a bunch of very amazing guests.

00:01:44.000 So let's just get started.

00:01:45.000 First, I want to call out our crew.

00:01:48.000 You guys know him.

00:01:49.000 Let's get Phil Labonte out here! 0.78

00:01:53.000 He's wearing a suit!

00:01:59.000 There we go.

00:02:00.000 Next up, of course, Ian Crossland.

00:02:03.000 Welcome, welcome, Ian.

00:02:11.000 Amen.

00:02:12.000 Luke Rutkowski of We Are Change!

00:02:17.000 So we have actually a lot of people who want to come on this show that we want to have on this show.

00:02:22.000 And we're going to get started with a couple of really awesome guests.

00:02:25.000 Let's first introduce Michael Knowles!

00:02:30.000 He's back!

00:02:34.000 And it is an honor and privilege to have this gentleman joining us.

00:02:40.000 Matt Gaetz Is gonna be awesome We have so much to talk about.

00:02:57.000 And we're also going to be joined by Lisa Reynolds, Libby Emmons, and Charlie Kirk at some point as well, because there's a lot of voices we want to hear from.

00:03:04.000 So right now, this is the crew we got going.

00:03:06.000 And the first thing I want to say, this year started off with a lot of uncertainty.

00:03:11.000 We didn't even know who was going to be the nominee for the Democratic Party.

00:03:15.000 There was speculation across the board.

00:03:17.000 I would say that with this past November, we now do have certainty, especially considering it appears that our movement is the popular mandate, which is refreshing.

00:03:29.000 It's a relief.

00:03:30.000 And boy, that day, November 5th, came and went so quickly.

00:03:34.000 None of us expected this.

00:03:36.000 We thought we would be dealing with this for a week or so.

00:03:38.000 But here we are now, With a bit more certainty, but still, not necessarily knowing what's going to happen in the next year.

00:03:44.000 You got crazy stories about SUV-sized drones flying over New Jersey.

00:03:49.000 I heard a story, some guy said one landed on the highway as he's driving past it and that flew up in the air and took off.

00:03:54.000 These people, I've heard those stories more than once.

00:03:56.000 But of course, I think the big thing we're trying to figure out right now is this transition.

00:04:02.000 What's going on with it?

00:04:04.000 And Matt, I gotta say, We heard that you were going to be the top cop, and the moment I heard this, if you guys watched the show, you saw it, I immediately ran to Allison and Richie, and I said, do we have any champagne?

00:04:19.000 And we jumped in the Cybertruck.

00:04:23.000 Me and Richard, we sped off to a liquor store.

00:04:25.000 And I said, sir, give me your finest champagne.

00:04:28.000 He said, here it is.

00:04:28.000 It's $40.

00:04:29.000 And I bought it.

00:04:30.000 And we popped that on the show to celebrate.

00:04:32.000 It didn't come to fruition.

00:04:34.000 But Matt, we really do believe in you.

00:04:37.000 We think that you have the opportunity to do so much good.

00:04:40.000 And you have done so much good.

00:04:42.000 So let's just get it going with what's next and what can we expect?

00:04:47.000 Why, all this time...

00:04:49.000 I was wondering who jinxed me. 0.98

00:04:51.000 And now I know, dammit, you went and popped the champagne before I had the chance to be confirmed by the Senate. 0.98

00:04:57.000 Look, Donald Trump has changed our politics. 0.98

00:05:00.000 The movement that we have built that is multigenerational, multiracial, is changing the way we are fielding candidates and winning elections.

00:05:09.000 But don't kid yourself into thinking that in early November you changed Washington yet.

00:05:15.000 Because there remains a repository of people in that town, some of them Republicans in the United States Senate, who actually want Trump to fail.

00:05:25.000 They don't want this to be a durable, lasting enterprise.

00:05:29.000 They're hoping this is like a kidney stone that they just have to painfully move through the system, right?

00:05:35.000 And when you look at some of these folks, and we can talk about who they are, They had calcified a good deal of opposition against me, and the Attorney General position is unique in this regard.

00:05:45.000 It's not the Ag Commissioner, though that's important, it's not the SBA or the Department of Labor, because day one Donald Trump has a plan on the economy, on the regulatory climate, on the bureaucratic state, and on the largest deportation in American history, and he had to have an Attorney General there day one, and I am proud that Pam Bondi is going to be that Attorney General, and I think she's going to do a splendid job For this administration and for our country.

00:06:10.000 Did you know her before?

00:06:12.000 Yeah, yeah, no.

00:06:13.000 We both served in Florida together.

00:06:16.000 We were elected the same year in 2010. I was the chairman of the criminal justice committee when she was the state's attorney general.

00:06:22.000 And what we bonded over was our love of animals.

00:06:26.000 We passed some of the strongest protections for animal welfare in the state.

00:06:30.000 We have some of the toughest penalties for people who abuse animals.

00:06:34.000 I think that she's got a good head on her shoulders. 0.66

00:06:36.000 She's got a great relationship with the president, and I'm proud of her.

00:06:40.000 Do you think you would have liked that job?

00:06:42.000 Oh yeah, I would have loved that job.

00:06:45.000 Do you think DC would have liked you having that job?

00:06:48.000 I think that there were a lot of people concerned about it.

00:06:51.000 What you watched above the line, right, where people say, oh, you know, we have questions about Gates' experience.

00:06:57.000 We don't like, you know, this or that about how he talks or tweets or his character.

00:07:01.000 But really, I saw the lobby corps mobilize in pretty unique ways.

00:07:08.000 Big Tech did not want me to be the Attorney General.

00:07:11.000 And they have three lobbyists for every single member of Congress.

00:07:15.000 And they deployed them against me.

00:07:17.000 Big Pharma, the big defense industries, were worried that I would animate the Antitrust Division at the Department of Justice to go after some of the excesses in corporate power.

00:07:29.000 I think the number one threat to your liberty is big government.

00:07:33.000 The number two threat to your liberty is big business, and obviously the number three threat to your liberty is homeowners associations.

00:07:39.000 So Matt, just really quickly, Al Qaeda started as a homeowners association. 0.84

00:07:45.000 I absolutely believe that, especially in Florida.

00:07:47.000 But really quick, if you were the Attorney General, what would be your first piece of business?

00:07:52.000 Who would you go after first?

00:07:54.000 Well, actually, I think that the first thing you have to do is effectuate the deportation.

00:07:58.000 And you're going to have all kind of states and municipalities doing everything they can to achieve some injunction in, like, the northern Mariana Islands that they try to spread around the country to freeze the presidency in that effort.

00:08:12.000 And so I think the number one thing you have to do is build resilience against some of the plans that these blue state governors and blue state attorneys general have.

00:08:20.000 Now, is there any part of you—I don't want to be the glass-half-full guy, but I guess I am here—you've been in elected office since you were about 11 years old, I think, and you've been through all these brutal, bloody fights.

00:08:32.000 There's so much awful nonsense that goes with being an elected official.

00:08:36.000 You can't really make much money.

00:08:37.000 Everything you do is under constant scrutiny.

00:08:40.000 People are always trying to attack you and demean you and your whole family.

00:08:44.000 It's just awful.

00:08:45.000 And so I understand the AG job would be extremely fun and cool and awesome, but is there any part of you that says, wow, I'm not in the government anymore?

00:08:56.000 Any part of me that thinks that understands that Madison...

00:09:01.000 Held the role of citizen as the top role in our society, not congressman or senator or president.

00:09:08.000 And so I have very much enjoyed the promotion from congressman to citizen these last few weeks.

00:09:14.000 But here's what we know about our movement, and it's distinct from what we've seen in politics in yesteryear.

00:09:21.000 This is not a movement that is driven by some cabal of special interests in Washington or New York.

00:09:27.000 There's not power brokers who centralize who gets to run or who gets to win.

00:09:32.000 This is a diffused movement.

00:09:34.000 And that's what makes it durable.

00:09:35.000 That's what will make it lasting.

00:09:37.000 And so I actually think there are roles for all of us to play throughout the enterprise.

00:09:41.000 I mean, look at what you've done.

00:09:42.000 Look at the audience you've built.

00:09:43.000 Look at the way you activate people to go and engage with their beliefs and actually challenge a lot of the dogmas that have kept people paralyzed.

00:09:51.000 For so long.

00:09:52.000 And so I think we need those voices throughout.

00:09:55.000 And who knows, Michael, maybe one day I'll run for the United States Senate and you and I can make a podcast together and then I won't be so damn poor.

00:10:01.000 You know, like Ted Cruz.

00:10:02.000 That's the way to do it.

00:10:03.000 This is my...

00:10:04.000 No, even on this point, it's kind of funny because, you know, you've made the shift now to political media, which is great, by the way, as someone in political media.

00:10:04.000 Go ahead.

00:10:11.000 But I remember when we launched Verdict with Senator Cruz, this was the first political podcast, I think, for a sitting legislator.

00:10:18.000 And the ethics rules are...

00:10:20.000 The elected can't make any money.

00:10:22.000 So the podcast was doing very, very well.

00:10:25.000 I mean, it hit number one on the charts for a while.

00:10:26.000 We were above Rogan.

00:10:27.000 I would never have said Ted Cruz was going to beat Joe Rogan on the charts.

00:10:30.000 Somehow for a little bit he did.

00:10:32.000 But it did make me think.

00:10:33.000 I was like, wow.

00:10:34.000 The only guy who's not, like...

00:10:37.000 I'm really enjoying all the fruits of this, is the U.S. Senator.

00:10:41.000 It's a separate, you know, that's a great honor to be a member of the U.S. Senate.

00:10:41.000 And I get it.

00:10:45.000 It's a great honor to be a member of Congress, to be up for a job.

00:10:47.000 But, I don't know, part of me thinks there are seasons to life.

00:10:51.000 And you might run for Senate.

00:10:52.000 You might run for President.

00:10:53.000 I don't know what you're going to do, but...

00:10:55.000 Maybe being in the private sector for a while, maybe that will be enjoyable as well.

00:10:58.000 And I do think that when you get people who never live under the laws they've written, it creates a disconnect that builds resentment appropriately among all of us.

00:11:08.000 I think, like you say, you take your turn in, you do your work, and you live an honest life beyond that, and you never know when the bell rings again.

00:11:17.000 May ring again in January.

00:11:18.000 Who knows?

00:11:19.000 Hold on.

00:11:21.000 I just have to ask, because he's teed it up.

00:11:24.000 You floated the other day a plan that I really, really loved on Twitter.

00:11:29.000 You said you're an elected member of the next Congress.

00:11:32.000 So what you could do, if the members of Congress still want to mess around with you, you could vote, you could enter Congress on January 3rd, you could get involved in the speaker race, you could start maybe pulling out some of the dirty laundry from the current and former members, and then you're still ready to start your show on January 6th.

00:11:51.000 You can nominate Elon Musk to be Speaker of the House.

00:11:54.000 It would be the most entertaining thing that had happened in Congress, at least in the past six months.

00:11:59.000 Since the last time I did something like this.

00:12:01.000 No, the thought has crossed my mind, because in the way organizing Congress works, first, the clerk calls the roll of everyone who shows up with an election certificate, and I'm pretty sure mine still works, and then after, The role is called for the speaker.

00:12:19.000 The speaker is sworn in and then swears in the body.

00:12:22.000 And so some have suggested that if the speaker races are kind of my thing, it's kind of what I do.

00:12:28.000 And so maybe we'll be in Washington that day to see that there's a speaker election that serves the country well.

00:12:35.000 How do you feel about it?

00:12:38.000 After all that...

00:12:40.000 You know, I think what I largely appreciate about that whole battle was this machine of IOUs and backroom deals and spending billions of dollars to put someone in power over the House.

00:12:50.000 And that was dismantled overnight through your efforts and the others who joined you.

00:12:54.000 We ended up with a new speaker.

00:12:56.000 I'm curious how you think that's gone so far, considering where we are now with the continuing resolutions.

00:13:00.000 Man, the corrupt muscle memory of Washington is very strong, and it is difficult to break through, and even things I thought would be more effective at rattling that system have shown its capability to respond.

00:13:14.000 But look at what we just saw happen this last week.

00:13:17.000 All the lobbyists wanted this 1,500-page bill that had every pork barrel project, funded the censorship industrial complex, gave every giveaway to the Democrats they wanted, and Rhythmically, Congress always approves the multi-thousand page December omnibus bill.

00:13:38.000 It's never been defeated before since I've been around.

00:13:41.000 And because of Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the X universe and our willingness to roll up our sleeves and actually get into the details of this stuff and shame the people who are willing to vote for it, that bill went down and every iteration of the government funding bill got better.

00:13:58.000 Spent less money and got better.

00:14:02.000 That is ultimately the core of this discussion we're going to have over the next few hours.

00:14:07.000 Where are we going to go leveraging that moment and that potential?

00:14:11.000 I mean, look, Elon Musk just showed he's stronger than the entire Washington lobby corps combined.

00:14:18.000 Every firm in Washington wanted that bill to pass.

00:14:22.000 Every single one, and they got smoked.

00:14:25.000 Now the Democrats are calling him co-president?

00:14:27.000 Yeah, it kind of makes me nervous, but not in a bad way.

00:14:30.000 Just that mob rule is very strong.

00:14:32.000 If we wanted to mobilize in some rogue established order and then challenge the United States government, the technology is available for people to reach a million people tomorrow.

00:14:44.000 Facebook groups, you can mobilize.

00:14:46.000 That's part of a lot of the riots and stuff we've seen over the last 20 years.

00:14:49.000 Don't you see how much easier it is for the bad guys to get what they want when we don't have that power?

00:14:54.000 Yes.

00:14:55.000 I mean, doesn't it speak to the, actually, the empowerment of the American people?

00:15:01.000 You get someone like Musk that can actually put out a call to his whatever many million followers he has, and then you see real tangible results.

00:15:11.000 And it's something that, that's the whole point of representative government, is the people that read Musk's tweet and agreed with him went ahead and they were calling their representatives and they said, hey, we don't want this, and it actually made a tangible change.

00:15:25.000 But I'm I want to say, you know, you mentioned Elon Musk and Donald Trump, and I definitely want to shout out Elon Musk for buying Twitter and fixing it.

00:15:32.000 But I do want to say, you know, now the corporate press, the established narrative is that Elon is the secret president pulling the puppet strings of Donald Trump.

00:15:42.000 And it's because they don't want to admit that the reality is Elon Musk is just agreeing with all of you when he makes a tweet.

00:15:50.000 He just has 200 million followers.

00:15:51.000 So it's not that Elon Musk goes to Trump and says, do what I want.

00:15:55.000 It's that Elon Musk is part of the same community as all of us.

00:15:57.000 And he says, yeah, we agree on these things and they all hear it.

00:16:01.000 They're going to focus on him because he's the boogeyman who took away their Twitter.

00:16:05.000 But it's a movement, a movement that is pressuring Donald Trump to make better decisions.

00:16:09.000 He's like a community organizer.

00:16:11.000 Seems to be his main role right now.

00:16:12.000 I'm just really happy Ron Paul's in there, because if you look at all the roads that are leading to Ron Paul was right, there's a lot of them, and it's very significant.

00:16:23.000 And I think truly this is something that isn't a radical idea.

00:16:27.000 It's an idea that our money should actually go to the American people and not to the special interest groups and not to the lobbyists and not to bioweapons facilities and not to the censorship of Americans and not to the torture of small animals.

00:16:40.000 And this kind of larger revolution is something very indicative of things to come in 2025, which I think will be a larger unraveling of a lot of the dirt, of a lot of the establishment, of a lot of the secrets that used to go on in Washington, D.C., but can't any longer because of Twitter, because of us, because of everyone speaking up in unison, saying enough is enough. because of everyone speaking up in unison, saying enough is But that is not self-activating.

00:17:01.000 That does not have its own fiat.

00:17:03.000 I do worry at times about the dynamic among the America Firsters and the MAGA nation that we just say, well, we won.

00:17:12.000 Trump's got it.

00:17:13.000 Elon's got the reins.

00:17:14.000 But if we are not diligent on these things, pointing out those frailties in the government decision-making process, they will persist.

00:17:21.000 Yeah, it's a great point because the left doesn't stop just because there was a victory.

00:17:27.000 We had a great victory this fall, but it's a victory in a much larger war.

00:17:32.000 So my fear, which I've been talking about the past couple of weeks, is that as we all mock these cable TV news channels that are collapsing in the ratings, they're getting 30,000 viewers in the keynote.

00:17:41.000 It's ridiculously low.

00:17:42.000 And so we gloat.

00:17:44.000 We say, haha, we are the media now.

00:17:45.000 It's the podcast presidency.

00:17:47.000 But come on, if they can afford to pay Rachel Maddow $25 million for one year with that low of ratings, they're going to come back and say, who do we give $25 million to?

00:17:57.000 Where do we put the billboards?

00:17:58.000 Where do we buy the TV commercials?

00:17:59.000 And they're going to try to flood this space and control its narrative as well.

00:18:02.000 They're going to try to buy it.

00:18:04.000 The control of the fiat is very dangerous, and it's allowed for massive entangled corruption in a sickened economy.

00:18:04.000 Exactly.

00:18:10.000 So, I mean, I've heard that they want to maybe go into a Bitcoin reserve.

00:18:14.000 I think Eric Trump was in Dubai, maybe, at some crypto conference, talking about relieving tax burdens on, like, Ripple and Bitcoin.

00:18:22.000 American cryptos, basically.

00:18:23.000 Do you think that that's a good thing to get away from the U.S. dollar?

00:18:27.000 Because it does disempower the American military in a lot of ways.

00:18:30.000 A reserve is great.

00:18:31.000 I'm excited for it.

00:18:33.000 My concern right now is can we control the messaging?

00:18:35.000 So if they, you know, sound money is a great place to start.

00:18:39.000 Luke was mentioning all roads lead to Ron Paul or whatever we've talked about for some time.

00:18:43.000 What can we do literally right now?

00:18:45.000 Because a Bitcoin reserve coming in Trump's administration, we're all excited, but what can we do right now As we know, the corporate press is going to pull an empire strike back.

00:18:55.000 It's track the money.

00:18:56.000 That's why I brought it up, because with all this crypto, you can track it, at least.

00:18:59.000 The fiat's not just disappearing behind closed doors, $3 trillion gone, $250 million in somebody's offshore bank account.

00:19:06.000 You watch it get tracked.

00:19:07.000 But it's not the corporate media.

00:19:09.000 It's the intel agencies that control the corporate media.

00:19:11.000 I think they're the ones that we have to be really worried about since they're the ones flying the drones.

00:19:16.000 They're the ones running the psyops.

00:19:18.000 They're the ones that control still some social media algorithms.

00:19:21.000 Not all of them.

00:19:22.000 They don't control Rumble.

00:19:23.000 They don't control Twitter.

00:19:24.000 But this is an information war that all of us are involved in.

00:19:28.000 So people here that are watching, your part is essential here to getting activated, to getting engaged, to paying attention, and reaching out to your elected representatives and saying, this is what I want, this is what I demand.

00:19:39.000 I agree with both of you.

00:19:40.000 What do we think, what do you guys think the next move is going to be from a corporate press knowing that they've lost the narrative control and they have to regain it?

00:19:48.000 Is it going to be...

00:19:50.000 Trying censorship again is going to be...

00:19:52.000 No, they're going to try to co-opt Trump and the administration. 1.00

00:19:55.000 They cannot defeat him.

00:19:57.000 They could not do the sufficient lawfare.

00:19:59.000 And so there will be an intense effort at co-option.

00:20:02.000 You see that underway now with who's paying money for the inaugural.

00:20:06.000 And ABC News inadvertently is spending $15 million on the presidential Trump library and casino that is going to be built in Atlantic City, I hope.

00:20:14.000 So they're doing it.

00:20:15.000 They're paying for that.

00:20:16.000 I think, Matt, I think you're totally right.

00:20:17.000 A lot of people said after 2016 that had Schumer and Pelosi been able to control themselves, had they played their cards right, they would have tried to suck up to Trump.

00:20:26.000 They would have tried to make a deal.

00:20:28.000 And look, maybe Trump makes deals.

00:20:30.000 Maybe they could have had a little influence.

00:20:32.000 Because they called him Hitler 2.0, they so radicalized him that he was hanging around with great people, very, very good people, folks.

00:20:39.000 And so we had a good term.

00:20:41.000 So this time, your point, Matt, seems is, well, maybe they've learned their lesson.

00:20:45.000 And actually, maybe their back's just against the wall, and this is the only move they have.

00:20:48.000 That's a dangerous move that they could make, though.

00:20:50.000 Think about where we were at this point in 2017. They were saying that Trump was a Russian agent and that we were all convinced to vote for him by Vladimir Putin from $180,000 in Facebook ads.

00:21:03.000 That was the official narrative of the last time Trump was going through this process.

00:21:08.000 And now, oh, they're just lapping praise on him.

00:21:13.000 But Trump's a smart cookie.

00:21:14.000 And this whole effort that you saw today in these last few days where Democrats have said, oh, you know, it's Elon pulling Trump's strings.

00:21:21.000 Alphas want to be around other alphas.

00:21:24.000 And that's what Trump does.

00:21:26.000 Like, Trump sits me down one day at Mar-a-Lago.

00:21:27.000 He says, Matt, I have a lot of geniuses.

00:21:31.000 You're one of my geniuses.

00:21:32.000 But now, I have a super genius.

00:21:37.000 And the mutual admiration creates a real ecosystem of creativity and drive, and you want to be around it.

00:21:44.000 Talented people want to be engaged.

00:21:46.000 The applications they've gotten for Doge, people wanting to use their skills to take a meat cleaver to the excesses of government, has actually given us a lot of hope.

00:21:55.000 Man, they really should not have banned the Babylon Bee.

00:21:58.000 Right.

00:21:59.000 Think about the dominoes falling from just banning a Christian satire publication.

00:22:04.000 Changed the course of American history.

00:22:06.000 Literally.

00:22:07.000 I feel like in addition to the co-option of Trump, or at least the attempted co-option by the, whatever you call it, deep state media apparatus, I don't know.

00:22:13.000 Is that it's mimicry.

00:22:15.000 They tend to mimic what's working or they'll try.

00:22:17.000 Like Hollywood's downsizing right now.

00:22:18.000 They want their films to look grainier, look like they're shot on iPhones on purpose.

00:22:22.000 Yeah.

00:22:23.000 Because that's what people enjoy seeing.

00:22:24.000 So watch like podcasts.

00:22:25.000 I don't know if there's going to be secret money.

00:22:27.000 I don't know.

00:22:28.000 Do you think it's too risky to track all the money?

00:22:30.000 Is it...

00:22:32.000 I think that we're going there.

00:22:34.000 The next step in crypto I don't think will be the reserve.

00:22:37.000 I think it'll be the stable coin legislation.

00:22:39.000 And then once you have stable coin confidence, then you're going to tokenize everything with the dollar anyway.

00:22:47.000 The dollar gets tokenized.

00:22:48.000 You think the big banks are going to sit back and watch Ripple take their market share?

00:22:54.000 It rhymes with nipple.

00:22:54.000 Right?

00:22:57.000 What you're going to see is Bank of America, Capital, these major institutions, Wells Fargo, tokenizing the dollar first.

00:23:06.000 That'll be trackable, ideally, but then is there going to be like dark dollars that are just being traded?

00:23:12.000 The darkest dollars are the U.S. dollar.

00:23:15.000 For all of the criticism that crypto is used for all kind of bad things, the U.S. dollar is used for a lot of those things as well.

00:23:23.000 The most untraceable kind of currency is actually...

00:23:26.000 Fiat, you know, dollars.

00:23:28.000 Because if you have them and you were to give them to someone else in person, there's no record of it.

00:23:33.000 Whereas if you transfer most, not all, but if you transfer most cryptocurrencies and you have the technology to do it, you know how to do it, you can look at the ledger and it's all written out there.

00:23:44.000 And for millennia, that's been a good thing for people to bypass tyranny, is they can still trade.

00:23:51.000 But if there somehow locks down into this uber...

00:23:58.000 I think this is something important to talk about, because I don't know about you guys, but one of the biggest fears I have for 2025 is the Federal Reserve, is the Ponzi scheme banking system finagling and doing a lot of dirty tricks against Donald Trump, against the US dollar, against the best interest of America.

00:24:14.000 If there ever was an opportune time to kind of go after the dollar, go after America financially, it would be under Donald Trump's presidency.

00:24:21.000 And I think that's why this larger conversation about Bitcoin and other alternatives is so key and so important right now.

00:24:26.000 But do you guys share that fear or no?

00:24:28.000 Well, I think that you'll see that manifest first when the Fed goes after crypto.

00:24:34.000 There's going to be some effort to disrupt that marketplace even more, but I am encouraged by how resilient crypto has been.

00:24:40.000 I like an asset class that has actually suffered some dives and has shown rebound.

00:24:46.000 The resiliency of things like Bitcoin in particular is built into the blockchain, if I understand correctly, and that's a benefit for all people, like not just Americans, which, I mean, obviously I want to see America do better than any other country in the world, but it is a good thing that it's decentralized and that it's something that is outside the control of any one nation state.

00:25:10.000 Well, so you said something really scary in that they would tokenize the dollar.

00:25:14.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 That means every dollar is tracked, no matter what you do.

00:25:18.000 By the way, you don't think that's happening to a pretty large extent now?

00:25:22.000 You go withdraw $5,000 in cash from the bank, there's going to be a suspicious activity report, there's going to be a review of where those dollars moved, where they changed hands, where they were deposited.

00:25:33.000 So you're already living in that world.

00:25:34.000 I think it accelerates rapidly with a tokenized dollar.

00:25:37.000 I was wondering, in terms of the coins, you say some of them were resilient, like Bitcoin.

00:25:42.000 All of my Hawk Tua coin holdings have not been resilient to market forces.

00:25:46.000 They have not?

00:25:47.000 There have been some others, the coin about flatulence and a few others.

00:25:50.000 You're a brave man to admit that you bought Hawk Tua.

00:25:52.000 Now, I will say, my Dogecoin has improved markedly.

00:25:56.000 You know, the one that I did buy, I'm a terrible investor, and I own very little crypto, but I did buy LGB coin.

00:26:03.000 Not LGBT coin, but it was the Let's Go branding coin. 0.78

00:26:06.000 That got rebranded to Patriot token or something, I believe.

00:26:09.000 Did it?

00:26:09.000 Do I get my money back?

00:26:10.000 Because I don't know.

00:26:10.000 I might be wrong about that.

00:26:11.000 I don't know.

00:26:12.000 That dropped to nothing.

00:26:13.000 I did not become a trillionaire.

00:26:15.000 So the real question I have, knowing nothing about crypto, is...

00:26:20.000 That was the FJB token.

00:26:22.000 Sorry, I apologize.

00:26:24.000 I picked the wrong stock.

00:26:25.000 I picked the wrong penny stock.

00:26:27.000 There does seem to be this issue of pump and dumps just going on in all these meme coins, but it's funny.

00:26:32.000 I sort of don't want to regulate it because it's funny to watch, but at a certain point...

00:26:37.000 Mustn't there be some regulation of these meme coins, of crypto outside of Bitcoin, a distinction between other crypto and Bitcoin?

00:26:44.000 I don't know.

00:26:45.000 Well, does it harken back to the dot-com bubble, where you would just see roses, dot-com, and you'd see some massive spike in valuation, and then there's actually no business behind it.

00:26:56.000 So we went through this exact cycle before in the 90s, and what happens is there's three or four winners that emerge out of the space that dominate the marketplace and then...

00:27:07.000 You get the system you have now.

00:27:09.000 And a bunch of desperate people are buying, they're putting their life savings into the next meme coin.

00:27:14.000 Like, meme coin is a new phrase, if you've heard that, where people are like, I'm all in on this new meme coin.

00:27:19.000 Whatever there are.

00:27:20.000 Shiba Inu token was one.

00:27:22.000 Doge was a meme coin.

00:27:23.000 If somebody's putting their life savings into the meme coin, is that like a certain feature of economic Darwinism that we're willing to tolerate?

00:27:23.000 Wait, hold on.

00:27:31.000 Because I've got a pretty strong stomach for that these days.

00:27:34.000 Maybe I'm a little more authoritarian.

00:27:36.000 I feel like there is a role in government to protect people from themselves once in a while.

00:27:41.000 Disavow.

00:27:42.000 Once in a while.

00:27:43.000 You don't want them to eat addictive poisons, ideally, because that can toxify yourself.

00:27:47.000 You don't want them dumping wastes into the river.

00:27:49.000 But you're not protecting people from themselves, then.

00:27:51.000 You're protecting people from other people.

00:27:53.000 Yes.

00:27:54.000 If you're protecting people from themselves, that's a totally different topic.

00:27:58.000 I want to be protected from the government.

00:27:59.000 Someone that harms himself might end up more likely to harm someone else, for instance.

00:28:03.000 You don't want to nip it in the bud.

00:28:05.000 The way I know Ian's right about this, I hate that I have to be 100% on Ian's side here, but I think, look, I'm not saying I'm a Rhodes Scholar.

00:28:12.000 I'm not a Rhodes Scholar.

00:28:13.000 I don't have an advanced degree, but I read some books.

00:28:15.000 I know some things, okay?

00:28:17.000 And if there were no financial regulation, if I were left to invest to my own devices, I would be broke and destitute and naked in the streets.

00:28:25.000 And we might be a better place for that.

00:28:28.000 That's my argument.

00:28:29.000 Don't fib.

00:28:30.000 You're far too creative.

00:28:31.000 I've watched your show.

00:28:32.000 You're a funny guy.

00:28:32.000 You wouldn't be.

00:28:33.000 Come on.

00:28:33.000 Stop.

00:28:34.000 Get out of here.

00:28:34.000 There's a sliding scale of how much protection do we give?

00:28:38.000 How much does the government step in to intervene in people's lives because they're not smart enough?

00:28:43.000 Bloomberg had that speech he gave on stage where he said we should tax the poor because they don't know what they need, so we're going to take their money from them and buy what they actually need.

00:28:51.000 Look, the actual failure in markets is an integral part of markets.

00:28:55.000 The big part of the problem that we see, the big part of the problem with government bailouts is there's no failure.

00:29:02.000 I mean, we have a phrase for it, too big to fail with banks and stuff.

00:29:05.000 Yeah.

00:29:05.000 Failure is important.

00:29:07.000 It's an important piece of information that you get from markets.

00:29:11.000 And so to take away that failure by whatever means, whether it be government fiat or whatever, that's a terrible idea.

00:29:18.000 And responsibility and accountability.

00:29:20.000 Failure teaches people that they did something wrong.

00:29:23.000 The only difference between the mafia and the government is that the mafia actually turns a profit.

00:29:27.000 The U.S. government doesn't turn them off.

00:29:28.000 And they're in the business of screwing you over, taking away your freedom, robbing you of your wealth, and robbing you of any potential free liberty that you are entitled to by God-given rights.

00:29:37.000 And I want those God-given rights, and I don't want a government telling me what I can and cannot do.

00:29:41.000 Let me ask you this then.

00:29:44.000 There we go.

00:29:44.000 With CBDC fears or tokenized dollars, do we think the prices are coming down next year?

00:29:51.000 Yeah.

00:29:52.000 Are they going to...

00:29:52.000 There's a fear that the...

00:29:54.000 You know, Luke mentions the Fed's going to screw with Donald Trump.

00:29:57.000 They can change interest rates.

00:29:58.000 It's going to affect the economy for regular people.

00:30:01.000 I think prices go up.

00:30:03.000 And I think prices go up in part because if Trump follows through on the tariffs, they have to go up a little bit in certain sectors.

00:30:09.000 I'm for it, by the way.

00:30:10.000 I think it's actually a mature, responsible, good, effective strategy to threaten the tariffs and everything.

00:30:16.000 But it's...

00:30:17.000 Like my wife was asking...

00:30:19.000 So, Mike, now that Trump got elected, are the prices finally coming down again?

00:30:22.000 It's like 30%, three and a half years, whatever.

00:30:24.000 I was like, the prices never come down.

00:30:27.000 It just stops being quite as bad.

00:30:30.000 But I don't know.

00:30:31.000 I'm not quite as hopeful.

00:30:32.000 Butter came down.

00:30:33.000 You know, it was $7.

00:30:35.000 And it was, you know...

00:30:36.000 It shockingly was.

00:30:37.000 And then I went to the grocery store and I went down to six.

00:30:39.000 The eggs leveled out a little bit.

00:30:40.000 Not that I'm an economist, but it's my sense that the prices will stay around where they are and wages will kind of rise to meet them.

00:30:48.000 That's the kind of the way that inflation has been dealt with historically.

00:30:53.000 The wages rise to meet, to kind of equalize it.

00:30:57.000 And that's the problem with inflation is a leader and wages are a laggard.

00:31:01.000 What I was trying to get to earlier was...

00:31:05.000 If we're seeing these big businesses like Bud Light back way off, they lost so much, a third of their market share, whatever it was, Target did, Disney lost a billion dollars, now Disney's announcing that they're removing a transgender storyline from their latest series.

00:31:18.000 All of these massive cultural victories, what are they going to do next?

00:31:23.000 I mean, is it fine to say that we can just sit here and lament the latest meme token because we've won so handily that there's nothing left to fear?

00:31:34.000 Well, now we've got to make stuff.

00:31:35.000 I disagree.

00:31:36.000 Now we make the news.

00:31:37.000 What are they going to do, Luke?

00:31:37.000 I disagree.

00:31:38.000 I think there's going to be a lot of foul play.

00:31:40.000 I think there's going to be a lot of dirty tricks.

00:31:41.000 We have to understand, power isn't usually relinquished kind of freely.

00:31:46.000 There has always been a struggle between the intel agencies and Donald Trump.

00:31:49.000 We have these intel agencies right now creating bioweapons.

00:31:52.000 They're overthrowing the government of Syria.

00:31:54.000 They're launching drones.

00:31:55.000 They're bringing us closer to World War III. This is something to absolutely consider and to talk about right now more than ever.

00:32:03.000 As this is something that I think is going to try to sabotage Donald Trump, his administration, and his goals of what he wants to do.

00:32:09.000 So that's why I'm extremely cautious with what everything's going on.

00:32:12.000 I'm very optimistic.

00:32:13.000 I'm very white-pilled.

00:32:14.000 But at the end of the day, we have to understand there still is a big force out there that doesn't want to relinquish its control over the American people.

00:32:23.000 How do we take it back?

00:32:24.000 We take it back with personal responsibility.

00:32:25.000 We take it back by taking our own health into our own hands and understanding that the power lies within the individuals, not within the government.

00:32:32.000 So maybe not putting all of your hope in the government and putting your hope in your fellow man is the right solution, is the cultural revolution that they can't stop that is really going to echo through America with Donald Trump as the larger messenger of this because there's going to be a lot of problems for him Let's admit it.

00:32:47.000 Let's be honest with ourselves.

00:32:48.000 I think this drone stuff, this whole Luigi manifesto thing, I think all of this is crescendoing towards larger problems that all of us are going to have to deal with soon.

00:32:57.000 I think one of the things that's got me worried is, you know, just the other day, someone tried to murder Nick Fuentes.

00:33:03.000 And I know a lot of people have strong feelings about the guy.

00:33:05.000 I'm not going to sit up here and use it as an opportunity to talk about why we agree or disagree or we don't like that guy.

00:33:11.000 No, no, no, no.

00:33:11.000 Someone went to his house with the clear intention to murder him because...

00:33:16.000 He's a person online with opinions they didn't like.

00:33:20.000 This is being referred to by a lot of people.

00:33:22.000 We didn't coin this the Mangione effect.

00:33:24.000 This guy shows up allegedly in New York City, murders a guy in cold blood, shoots him in the back.

00:33:29.000 And then you've got a large swath of young people, predominantly left-leaning, cheering this on, celebrating it, calling it for more.

00:33:37.000 You had Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

00:33:40.000 I should say Elizabeth Warren largely said, yes, murder is wrong, but you can only push people so far.

00:33:45.000 As if to imply this healthcare CEO did something that warranted people wanting to murder him.

00:33:50.000 The system has not changed.

00:33:52.000 Premiums have not changed.

00:33:54.000 All that happened is their security went up.

00:33:56.000 Costs are going to go up.

00:33:57.000 They're hiding who these people are.

00:33:58.000 We can't live in a society that functions this way, but we have a large political faction that openly celebrates these things.

00:34:05.000 So if we see what's happening with...

00:34:08.000 You know, let's get a little bit darker.

00:34:10.000 Rudyard of Lynch of What If Alt-Hist had a prediction that 1,000 people will die by April domestically over political issues.

00:34:19.000 I can't believe it.

00:34:20.000 You know, Michael's eyes just went wide.

00:34:20.000 Right?

00:34:23.000 He's got a big YouTube channel and he's made a bunch of videos talking about why he thinks this is going to happen.

00:34:27.000 And I personally don't believe it.

00:34:29.000 But then you see what's going on with Mangione and the celebration of it.

00:34:34.000 And you see the attempt on Nick Fuentes' life.

00:34:38.000 And perhaps it's not going to be a thousand.

00:34:41.000 But my concern right now is...

00:34:44.000 Donald Trump is not yet in office.

00:34:46.000 There's viral videos already of people on TikTok.

00:34:49.000 There's a woman, she's on TikTok, this video went viral, and she said, I don't care if I get banned anymore because they're going to ban TikTok.

00:34:54.000 And then she vowed Trump will not make it to office.

00:34:57.000 You have people saying, you have one viral video where a guy's saying, we're going to send 11 million people to DC. My question then is, is there a fear of escalating violence or anything like this?

00:35:08.000 Or is the imaginary effect, is this nothing?

00:35:11.000 You always got to keep it in your mind as a possibility, but not be afraid of it.

00:35:15.000 Because your antidote is to create positive energy. 0.97

00:35:18.000 It's to create awesome shit that just blows people's minds and refocuses their attention on something creative. 0.99

00:35:24.000 Isn't that how we won this election? 0.99

00:35:26.000 We were the party that was telling people they could be richer.

00:35:31.000 They could have more.

00:35:32.000 And the Democrats were telling folks that they had to live with less.

00:35:36.000 And so there is a unifying feature to that.

00:35:38.000 When we go out and build our coalition for the future, I think it's really important that the positivity be what we lead with.

00:35:50.000 I think, Matt, where you're aiming, the idea that we have to be aiming at something positive is absolutely true.

00:35:56.000 But I also regularly say that we have a serious problem with the leftists In the country, that the notion that success is bad or people that are rich are the reason why there are poor people, these narratives are poison to a society.

00:36:12.000 And the more we can do to push back against them, the better off all of the country is going to be.

00:36:19.000 And like I said, the positive narrative that you're talking about is a great way to push back against them.

00:36:25.000 The rich versus the poor.

00:36:27.000 A rising tide lifts all ships.

00:36:29.000 You know, this is an insight of classical political philosophy, is that avarice, envy is really the evil, the beginning of evil in the cities.

00:36:36.000 And so you see that.

00:36:37.000 That's what this killing was, and the people cheering it on.

00:36:40.000 It's pure envy.

00:36:41.000 And it's people like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders cheering it on, albeit with caveats.

00:36:45.000 And these are people who've made their political ideology on envy.

00:36:47.000 However, there is this weird part that no one's talking about, which is...

00:36:52.000 They did Obamacare already. 0.98

00:36:53.000 Remember they did Obamacare in 2009?

00:36:55.000 They said, this is going to fix health insurance, it's going to bring costs down and everything.

00:36:58.000 They did.

00:36:59.000 That is the law.

00:37:00.000 And then Trump was going to repeal it, and McCain said no, and it remained the law.

00:37:03.000 We were going to shoot it down in the Supreme Court.

00:37:05.000 John Roberts squished.

00:37:06.000 So that is the law.

00:37:08.000 The terrible health insurance system that Luigi Mangione murdered this poor man for in cold blood...

00:37:14.000 Allegedly.

00:37:17.000 All the lawyers tell me allegedly.

00:37:19.000 That is the liberal Obamacare healthcare system.

00:37:22.000 How come no one's pointing that out?

00:37:24.000 This Luigi case, I think, is extremely suspicious.

00:37:26.000 There's a lot of lore behind it.

00:37:28.000 It's very Joker-esque, and I really do think the manifesto was leaked for a reason.

00:37:33.000 I really do think he's being lionized for a very specific reason.

00:37:37.000 I think there's a larger gaslighting effect on social media that I observed that is trying to make this guy out to be a hero.

00:37:43.000 He murdered someone in cold blood.

00:37:44.000 But for me, my conspiracy mind automatically kind of goes to the point that the left and right divide is kind of over.

00:37:50.000 The left lost.

00:37:51.000 All these corporations are moving away from this DEI narrative.

00:37:51.000 There's no more woke.

00:37:54.000 What better way to subvert Donald Trump's agenda, especially his economic agenda, than to not make it left and right, but to make it top versus the bottom, the bottom versus the top?

00:38:04.000 And I think this is the landscape that's being shaped right now by the intel agencies through social media, through this particular case, whatever involvement they had particularly in it, in order to set the next kind of battle for Donald Trump, who is this billionaire, who is this businessman, who is talking about getting rid of regulations and taxes, which is extremely important.

00:38:22.000 But now that agenda, culturally, will be stopped by all these Luigi fans that are normalizing political violence.

00:38:29.000 Michael Knowles, I want to thank you for joining us tonight.

00:38:32.000 We had you come in and fill in.

00:38:33.000 It's an honor to have you.

00:38:34.000 I want to thank you.

00:38:35.000 Thank you for having me.

00:38:36.000 The only person who could get me to delay my own cigar event is you, Tim.

00:38:41.000 So thank you for having me.

00:38:42.000 Thank you, all of you.

00:38:43.000 It's such a pleasure.

00:38:44.000 Thank you so much.

00:38:45.000 Thank you.

00:38:46.000 But we do have Charlie Kirk, who is going to be joining us now.

00:38:49.000 I'll catch you later, man.

00:38:52.000 Mr. Kirk.

00:38:53.000 There he is!

00:38:54.000 Look at this guy!

00:38:59.000 Before we move on from Luigi, I want to point out, he did shoot a man in the back.

00:39:03.000 He shouldn't be a father. 1.00

00:39:05.000 These people are cowards. 1.00

00:39:07.000 Allegedly. 0.99

00:39:08.000 Charlie.

00:39:09.000 Oh, Charlie.

00:39:09.000 So what we're talking about is, Luigi, you might have heard us talking backstage a little bit.

00:39:13.000 And the top versus the bottom.

00:39:14.000 It goes from left to right to now it's top versus bottom.

00:39:16.000 I think Marvel movies have been seeding this, maybe subconsciously, with the vigilante justice arc.

00:39:23.000 Well, the Joker is a perfect representation.

00:39:24.000 It's so funny.

00:39:25.000 I was just on the PBD podcast and he said the exact same thing.

00:39:28.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:39:29.000 I was just like, simultaneously.

00:39:30.000 So, I think that's very insightful.

00:39:33.000 Literally the exact same.

00:39:34.000 And a lot of, like, supervillain ideas.

00:39:37.000 I was saying this from day one because of the weird social media response to all of this.

00:39:41.000 A lot of anonymous accounts, a lot of accounts that had no following were saying, this guy's a hero.

00:39:45.000 This guy's great.

00:39:46.000 This guy's amazing.

00:39:47.000 And I'm like, wait, hold on.

00:39:47.000 This is weird.

00:39:48.000 Do you think it's foreign?

00:39:50.000 I think there's something involved here that could be setting the ground up.

00:39:53.000 I missed the whole back and forth.

00:39:54.000 I think this is a psyop, personally, myself.

00:39:56.000 Do you think by the intel agencies?

00:39:58.000 Yes.

00:39:59.000 And you believe that the goal of that PSYOP is to get people to resolve more of their grievances through violence.

00:40:06.000 Yes.

00:40:07.000 That's the end state.

00:40:09.000 Through a fake anarchistic Joker-like kind of scenario that unfolds under Trump's presidency that goes after businessmen, business leaders, and CEOs.

00:40:09.000 Yes.

00:40:17.000 Can I just point out...

00:40:18.000 That's super smart.

00:40:18.000 I think you're right.

00:40:19.000 When Joker came out, the corporate press said it was an incel fantasy for white supremacists and blah, blah, blah.

00:40:26.000 And now, with Luigi Mangione, they're all celebrating this narrative which is comparable.

00:40:34.000 It's...

00:40:34.000 They're not aware of themselves.

00:40:36.000 Who are you talking about?

00:40:38.000 When the Joker movie comes out, the corporate press across the board was saying that this movie is for incels and white supremacists and, you know, weak-willed young men cheering on Joker shooting the TV show host.

00:40:48.000 Someone who, he says, you get what you effing deserve.

00:40:51.000 That's what happens.

00:40:52.000 It's like his joke. 0.62

00:40:53.000 What happens when you take someone who's mentally ill in the city and you throw him out or whatever? 0.73

00:40:56.000 Now you have this narrative of Luigi Mangione...

00:40:59.000 A troubled young guy who was injured and the system was bad to him, so he takes it upon himself.

00:41:04.000 They cheer for that.

00:41:05.000 This corporate press?

00:41:06.000 Are you sensing that from the corporate press?

00:41:07.000 No, I'm saying that the entertainment media was calling Joker far right.

00:41:12.000 But now it's literally the far left celebrating a comparable scenario.

00:41:16.000 Well, the difference is we won on a left.

00:41:17.000 That's it.

00:41:17.000 I see.

00:41:18.000 We want an election, and so there's more of a willingness to accept alternate forms of resolving who holds power.

00:41:24.000 And if it's who holds the majority of the country has power, that's clearly us.

00:41:29.000 But if it's might makes right, and they have some of these exquisite tools that Luke's been talking about, that's another way.

00:41:35.000 I think we can't play this game.

00:41:36.000 We can't do this.

00:41:37.000 We're going to flip-flop.

00:41:38.000 I think we should stick to our principles.

00:41:41.000 We'll agree with the Democrats.

00:41:42.000 We need to end the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court. 0.99

00:41:47.000 It's what they wanted to do, and I think we'll just keep on keeping going.

00:41:51.000 I mean, a bigger Supreme Court might not be a bad idea.

00:41:53.000 Right now, with Donald Trump as president, you're correct.

00:41:56.000 Like, what, we got 11 people in the Supreme Court?

00:41:56.000 Yes.

00:41:58.000 Nine.

00:41:59.000 Does Clarence have any kids?

00:42:00.000 Ian, come on.

00:42:01.000 Like, the amount of decisions, the power that those nine people wield, and they get it for life, is like, I think that's a broken process.

00:42:07.000 I don't think.

00:42:08.000 They're going to try to do the vigilante justice there.

00:42:10.000 And they already did. 0.61

00:42:11.000 Remember, they tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh.

00:42:12.000 Just by the grace of God, there was a U.S. marshal there that actually stopped the guy.

00:42:16.000 He had all the configurations, the rope, the weaponry, right in his driveway.

00:42:20.000 It's so easy to threaten one night of the Supreme Court.

00:42:24.000 For someone in their driveway, and then the psychological damage that does to the human that has to make these grandiose decisions for 360 million people, that's kind of a psychological vulnerability I'd rather not have.

00:42:36.000 I'm not saying we need an AI as our Supreme Court, but maybe...

00:42:39.000 Maybe we could have seven AIs all giving us advice, and then the legislation could be like, I will listen to the AIs.

00:42:45.000 But still, you've got humans making the decisions.

00:42:48.000 There's a little devil on Ian's shoulder right now.

00:42:52.000 Humans, you do need to upgrade to machines in certain processes.

00:42:56.000 No!

00:42:57.000 Not all of them, but some of them, this is anti-human tech stuff.

00:43:02.000 You used to have a dude dragging your sled.

00:43:06.000 Now you have an automotive vehicle doing the work for you.

00:43:09.000 Hey, look, that's the answer on the immigration front.

00:43:11.000 It's only the automation that's going to get you to your immigration goals.

00:43:15.000 Because once we're able to automate a lot of the things that illegal immigrants are doing in this country, you're not going to have the corporate capture of lawmakers trying to get more people across the border illegally. 0.97

00:43:25.000 So I'll defend you on that.

00:43:27.000 Oh, thanks, dude.

00:43:28.000 Okay, 29 Supreme Court justices.

00:43:30.000 Is that enough to defuse the danger of losing one?

00:43:32.000 Then it's a legislature.

00:43:34.000 Ian, I was joking.

00:43:36.000 But it's nine people.

00:43:37.000 Ian, as soon as you start adding people or opening the idea up to adding people, then the Democrats come in and they just add more, and then the Republicans add more, and you end up with 165 members of the Supreme Court.

00:43:47.000 You're right.

00:43:48.000 How about less congressmen instead of more Supreme Court justices? 0.99

00:43:48.000 We've got to beat them to it. 0.99

00:43:51.000 Would that work?

00:43:53.000 No, I... They like it.

00:43:55.000 No, no, no.

00:43:56.000 The problem is we lost the one we liked.

00:43:59.000 The problem with Congress is you got to represent 700,000 people and, like, dude, you represent you.

00:44:05.000 Like, you can try and represent me, but, like, I can only really do that effectively.

00:44:09.000 So it's very ineffective in that sense.

00:44:13.000 You're getting real close to, like...

00:44:17.000 Well, no, just pure democracy, and that is not a good solution.

00:44:21.000 I've had a thought about a representative republic, or like a direct republic.

00:44:24.000 I mean, I've heard of that.

00:44:25.000 Yeah, where like 700,000 people will vote on something yes or no, goes to a smart contract that then sends the yes or the no vote to the system, and then we don't have the humans there.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 It's a bad idea.

00:44:37.000 Thank you.

00:44:38.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:44:39.000 You said the security vulnerability of a guy getting threatened and then making a poor decision as a result.

00:44:45.000 You didn't go that far, but I'm just kind of insinuating that.

00:44:47.000 How do you think we could get around that kind of vulnerability with our...

00:44:50.000 Our courts, or our Supreme Court, particularly.

00:44:52.000 Oh, I mean, I think you have to have a U.S. Secret Service protection and the equivalent of all nine Supreme Court justices.

00:44:57.000 And I think it's insane.

00:44:59.000 We protect our banks and our sports stadiums, events like this, with armed guards all the time.

00:45:04.000 I think every Supreme Court justice needs U.S. Marshals or whatever that do reconnaissance work, that work at the Secret Service, and most of them do a great job.

00:45:11.000 Matt, you think that's reasonable, right? 0.99

00:45:12.000 I mean, we spend money on the stupidest stuff. 0.98

00:45:15.000 That's like 10 million bucks a year to make sure these nine justices are safe. 0.99

00:45:18.000 Not hard, actually.

00:45:19.000 But can you just imagine how much security you would have to go to Broadway for Ketanji Brown Jackson's next performance?

00:45:26.000 I would hate to burden the facility.

00:45:28.000 I was inspired.

00:45:29.000 You were?

00:45:30.000 Absolutely inspired.

00:45:31.000 What part of queer Broadway is your favorite? 0.84

00:45:34.000 I didn't say that.

00:45:35.000 I said I was inspired. 0.97

00:45:36.000 I said I was inspired to smack myself in the face with a shoe. 0.85

00:45:36.000 That was the show! 0.85

00:45:40.000 True inspiration.

00:45:41.000 There's going to be a little of that later in the show, I understand.

00:45:43.000 There is!

00:45:44.000 Did you guys notice the shoes that I'm wearing?

00:45:45.000 That's what we call the GTs. 0.88

00:45:47.000 You get a good shot of Tim's shoes yet?

00:45:49.000 Show those bad boys off.

00:45:51.000 There you go.

00:45:52.000 What are these?

00:45:52.000 These are official Donald Trump-issued...

00:45:56.000 Fight, fight, fight, golden Donald Trump shoes.

00:46:00.000 And I've got...

00:46:01.000 In fact, I have two.

00:46:03.000 Believe it or not, it comes in pairs.

00:46:05.000 And we're going to...

00:46:07.000 So this one's signed by Jack Posobiec.

00:46:09.000 This one is signed by Benny Johnson and Michael, Michael Knowles.

00:46:14.000 I'm taking them off already because you guys...

00:46:16.000 We're going to have them signed, and then once we're done with the show, I'm going to throw them at you guys.

00:46:20.000 So, good luck, I guess.

00:46:22.000 Yeah.

00:46:23.000 I don't know why we're talking about shoes now, and I'm not wearing any.

00:46:23.000 Watch out.

00:46:25.000 I'm just glad you wore socks.

00:46:26.000 Throwing shoes is a serious Arab insult. 1.00

00:46:30.000 Remember when they threw that shoe at George Bush?

00:46:32.000 That's a big thing.

00:46:33.000 He dodged two in a row.

00:46:34.000 That was the most impressive thing I ever saw from George W. Bush.

00:46:37.000 He's agile.

00:46:38.000 No, have that side sign that one.

00:46:38.000 You want me to sign this?

00:46:40.000 All right, okay.

00:46:41.000 Thanks, man.

00:46:45.000 What were we talking about?

00:46:46.000 Who convened this meeting?

00:46:47.000 Give me that marker.

00:46:48.000 I'm in one of my final weeks in Congress, and they bring us out on the Armed Services Committee to Silicon Valley.

00:46:54.000 They say, we're going to bring you to the most serious defense contractors doing the most high-end stuff that's going to make sure we win all the wars in the future.

00:47:01.000 They take us in this room, take all our cell phones away.

00:47:04.000 They say, okay, this is very, very important.

00:47:06.000 What's going to save us completely is graphene.

00:47:09.000 And I thought of you.

00:47:11.000 What did they say?

00:47:12.000 Graphene.

00:47:12.000 Yeah, graphene.

00:47:13.000 No way.

00:47:14.000 What we do is we collect the ocean plastic. 0.99

00:47:16.000 Oh, crap.

00:47:16.000 Yeah, we electrify it with flash jewel heating and turn it into graphene powder.

00:47:20.000 Bulk powder.

00:47:21.000 We can put it on our roads.

00:47:22.000 So we'll strengthen our roads by, like, I don't know how many years we'll get out of these roads now.

00:47:25.000 And it gives off hydrogen byproduct, which you can capture and use as fuel.

00:47:29.000 So for every $4.50 of graphene we create, we get a kilogram of hydrogen.

00:47:34.000 Okay, but real quick, did that seriously happen?

00:47:36.000 Yes.

00:47:37.000 What were they actually proposing?

00:47:38.000 They were proposing making a good amount of our military materiel out of graphene and then using it as a way to ensure greater battery capability.

00:47:47.000 Let's put the pedal to the metal on this. 0.83

00:47:49.000 Batteries, walls, we're going to have touchscreen wallpaper.

00:47:51.000 I'm surrounded by all these generals and colonels and people, and I was like, you guys have got to meet Ian Crossland.

00:47:57.000 You would so get along as well.

00:47:59.000 I'll put him in touch.

00:48:00.000 It's Rice University.

00:48:02.000 I just want to say to everybody who's a consistent viewer of Timcast IRL, I just want you to imagine what it's going to be like in 15 years when Ian was completely right about everything.

00:48:10.000 That's why I stay calm when you laugh.

00:48:12.000 Yeah, have fun with it.

00:48:14.000 I couldn't believe you just said that!

00:48:17.000 Graphene is pretty good.

00:48:18.000 Oh man, the country that steps on this, because the process of flash-jewel heating, where they collect carbon and then they electrocute it and turn it into graphene, is very easy to do.

00:48:27.000 So every country on Earth will start doing it at some point, and then they'll start converting their hydrogen fuel systems at some point.

00:48:33.000 We've got to get there first.

00:48:34.000 We've got to be the one that distributes the graphene.

00:48:38.000 Let's broaden that though.

00:48:39.000 You are 100% correct.

00:48:41.000 The US needs to be an innovator in new materials and energy, innovation, etc.

00:48:47.000 We are currently competing on the global stage.

00:48:49.000 We are facing down the barrel of very serious wars in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

00:48:54.000 Are we, with this new incoming administration, going to be leaders of industry and innovation?

00:49:00.000 We lost our last major war against a bunch of goat herders. 1.00

00:49:04.000 Okay, we are not in good shape in the military right now, and that is no criticism of the brave patriots who are willing to step forward and be the best among us and serve, and their family members who support them.

00:49:15.000 But we do not have what we need because of corporate greed.

00:49:19.000 These defense contractors, they go out and buy up all the innovators, they shut down anything that could result in a competing contract, and the generals, in a good number of these cases in the Pentagon, They are more worried about their board seat on Raytheon's board or on Lockheed Martin's board.

00:49:35.000 They're more worried about getting a contract when they get out than making sure that we have stuff that can work.

00:49:40.000 The F-35 costs $100 million a copy.

00:49:45.000 You know what percentage of them can fly right now and fully operationally capable?

00:49:50.000 29%.

00:49:51.000 If something costs $100 million, it should definitely work more than 29% of the time.

00:49:58.000 But we tolerate that because they've got the lobbyists and they've got capture over a lot of the folks in Congress.

00:50:04.000 And those were some of the folks who didn't want to see me as the Attorney General because I would have called them out, I would have busted them up, and I would have liberated the innovators of this country to make sure that America always holds the high ground.

00:50:14.000 You're saying that the people that are running this military industrial complex are more concerned with planned obsolescence to make extra money?

00:50:14.000 So...

00:50:22.000 Yes.

00:50:23.000 Okay, we've got to build the best graphing weapons, dude.

00:50:25.000 Einstein was like, oh, I've unleashed the atomic bomb.

00:50:28.000 An Oppenheimer, particularly, was like, what have I done?

00:50:31.000 Great technology breeds great weaponry, but we could build banging jets, super lightweight drones.

00:50:37.000 This is what Elon told me about the jets and the drones.

00:50:40.000 He says, Matt...

00:50:41.000 We must understand how to get drone operators laid.

00:50:47.000 Because the mentality in the Air Force is you've got to be a fighter pilot to achieve all of the machismo and be super impressive.

00:50:56.000 And then if we vaulted the 280-pound drone operator living in his mother's basement to the same level, I don't know the solution on that, but if you come up with it...

00:51:07.000 We could get him in VR. I have a crazy idea.

00:51:13.000 How about we just don't invest all the money in murder and death and we actually allow America to be free and not be burdened by the military-neutral complex?

00:51:21.000 Can we just do that for a second and imagine a world where maybe free trade and enterprise leads the way instead of...

00:51:28.000 American foreign policy that has been hijacked by the neocons?

00:51:31.000 That's a great argument.

00:51:32.000 How's it going for you?

00:51:33.000 Because from my vantage point, we seem to be involved.

00:51:36.000 Joe Biden sleptwalk us into multiple wars that were not in the interest of this.

00:51:41.000 It wasn't Joe Biden.

00:51:42.000 It was the intel agencies that got us into these wars that were predominantly used to human traffic and drug traffic.

00:51:46.000 So if you look at the aspect of the intel agencies getting their way, they did get their way.

00:51:51.000 I'm pretty sure we all agree we don't want to be involved in foreign incursions and interventions.

00:51:56.000 I don't see why we would not also at the same time want to have strong defensive capabilities with new weapons and a strong military.

00:52:02.000 That's the answer.

00:52:03.000 The answer is to have the most badass military that the world has ever known and then to use it appropriately and sparingly and have it as a functioning deterrent.

00:52:12.000 But that doesn't produce a sufficient amount of the money laundering and other ails that Luke pointed out.

00:52:18.000 And so you have that tension that typically resolves in some patriotic call to relive World War II politics in the modern era where we are more interconnected and more, I think, capable of creating peace if we will allow it to blossom and emerge.

00:52:35.000 So, Luke, how would you feel if we were not involved in any foreign wars?

00:52:38.000 We said, no, no, no, we're not sending our U.S. troops to some faraway land for some intervention, nation building, whatever, but we did invest in, train, develop, and then we had our troops on the southern border.

00:52:49.000 That seems reasonable, especially with the invasion.

00:52:51.000 We get the anarchists to agree, and we can make some movement on this one.

00:52:56.000 There's nothing wrong with strong defense, but the problem is it's not defense, it's offense.

00:53:01.000 The problem is it's human trafficking, it's drug trafficking. 0.52

00:53:04.000 I mean, I understand what you're saying about human trafficking and drug trafficking.

00:53:04.000 Right, right, right.

00:53:07.000 I think that's something that we all condemn and something that we all want to avoid.

00:53:10.000 But the tools to defend and to use for offense are the same, generally.

00:53:17.000 Keeping the military industrial complex, keeping the reins on them is necessary, but making weapons that make the United States stronger are the weapons that make the United States safer as well.

00:53:29.000 Having a weak United States military is not good for peace.

00:53:36.000 But that's not what I'm arguing for.

00:53:37.000 We already have the strongest military in the world, overwhelmingly.

00:53:40.000 One of the issues, though, is with the fog of war, if you don't know what's going on in their territory, they might be building up an armada to sneak attack you.

00:53:49.000 Well, that's intel agencies that you're talking about.

00:53:50.000 So they put military bases in other countries so they can't sneak up on us?

00:53:54.000 We learned our lesson in World War II. So the idea is do we descale these military bases?

00:54:00.000 Do we just have a spy satellite system that you can see underground through everybody's buildings?

00:54:05.000 Think about all the lobbyists that have contracts tethered to every foreign military installation and the effort that they put to keep...

00:54:13.000 You know, selling the toilet paper, to keep the moving costs, everything you can imagine.

00:54:19.000 There's a special interest associated with it.

00:54:21.000 A lot of those have become vertically integrated.

00:54:23.000 And so the economic incentives are to spread our troops and our capabilities as thin as possible.

00:54:29.000 So Luke says we have the strongest military in the world.

00:54:32.000 Matt says we just lost to a bunch of goat herders. 1.00

00:54:34.000 What's happening?

00:54:34.000 We do not have the strongest military in the world, sadly.

00:54:37.000 I wish we did.

00:54:38.000 Are the goat herders stronger? 1.00

00:54:39.000 They just beat us.

00:54:41.000 I mean, look, obviously it depends on the military campaign, and I'm not suggesting that tomorrow China could invade the United States, but if we continue on the trajectory we're on, and China continues on the trajectory they're on, with AI... With their next generation of fighter aircraft, with all that they're able to do in space and offensive and defensive cyber, China will be a more capable enterprise than the United States military.

00:55:08.000 And I take no joy in saying that.

00:55:10.000 And the answer is more competition.

00:55:14.000 Again, take the F-35, for example.

00:55:16.000 Only Lockheed Martin can build it, and then only Lockheed Martin can service it.

00:55:20.000 And there's no opportunity for other people to come and say, well, hey, we've actually got a software upgrade package that will get the planes in the air, and that will improve the radar system.

00:55:28.000 But we purposefully use the law to restrain what has always made us the envy of the world.

00:55:35.000 since the time of the Revolutionary War.

00:55:37.000 Military technology, the musket, right, delivered victory.

00:55:42.000 It was when we had the revolving munitions.

00:55:45.000 And now we are getting away from that so that the next general can get their fifth vacation.

00:55:50.000 But the objective was never to win these wars.

00:55:53.000 It was to have perpetual war.

00:55:54.000 It was to continue these wars. 0.82

00:55:55.000 That's what we saw in Afghanistan.

00:55:57.000 And as soon as that ended, we, of course, have Ukraine. 0.75

00:55:59.000 As soon as Ukraine ends, there's going to be something else. 0.98

00:56:02.000 Whether it's Romania, Georgia, Syria, whatever it is, there's always going to be something because of what President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned during his farewell address about the takeover of the military industrial complex.

00:56:14.000 That's what I'm trying to get to the root of that I think we really need to address.

00:56:17.000 If we're going to have a competent military, that's not going to take advantage of us.

00:56:21.000 Charlie, I'm sorry.

00:56:22.000 I don't think Lockheed's going to be your sponsor for next year's turning point.

00:56:25.000 That is okay.

00:56:26.000 It's sort of like this, we got a brain...

00:56:26.000 Okay.

00:56:28.000 Charlie, I'd love just to listen to you talk for 20 minutes, actually.

00:56:30.000 Do you have any burning ideas right now?

00:56:32.000 Whatever.

00:56:33.000 Okay, I'm going to go with this.

00:56:33.000 I'm enjoying...

00:56:35.000 It's like a brain worm...

00:56:37.000 That we need to extract from the military.

00:56:39.000 This industrial complex is where it went wrong.

00:56:42.000 Like, when we were liberating, you know, in the Spanish-American War when we liberated Cuba, that's cool.

00:56:47.000 When we stopped the Barbary pirates, that's cool.

00:56:49.000 You know, you want to protect and prevent horror.

00:56:53.000 So I'm thinking we do like a festival where we just get a bunch of drones to simulate attacks on like cities or whatever, or wherever at this festival, and people can come bring their anti-drone weaponry technology and just take turns blasting the drones out of the sky.

00:57:06.000 But the problem is if we do it publicly, then the world will see the technology, and that might be a problem.

00:57:12.000 So how do you open source a secretive weapons campaign to build weapons?

00:57:16.000 There's going to be a member of Congress, as I was sitting down at a defense meeting, and they explained the drone festival that they're going to be working on, and he goes right the whole time.

00:57:21.000 Well, but it's interesting.

00:57:22.000 The reason that Native Americans often wouldn't suffer grave death when they would fight one another before the Europeans got here is because both sides would go down to the river. 0.74

00:57:35.000 One tribe sends up their two or three toughest guys.

00:57:37.000 The other tribe sends up their two or three toughest guys.

00:57:39.000 You know, maybe you get some broken bones.

00:57:41.000 Maybe a person dies, but you don't have this mass slaughter, right?

00:57:44.000 And so if the way warfare is going to change is it's going to be our robots against their robots, maybe instead of having the wars and the death, we just run the simulations and be like, oh, hey, Russia, we ran the simulation of your drones against you, you know, Country X's drones.

00:58:01.000 Their robots won, so you don't get the territory.

00:58:03.000 Hey, that's like the Olympics, man.

00:58:04.000 It's more complex.

00:58:05.000 It's like playing online video games with people.

00:58:07.000 Like, hey, I bested you. 0.81

00:58:08.000 I don't need to kill you now.

00:58:09.000 It comes down to, like, if I don't have enough food, then I don't care what the simulation says. 0.53

00:58:12.000 I'll get desperate.

00:58:13.000 So you do want to make sure resources are distributed properly.

00:58:15.000 But you can do that with drones, too.

00:58:17.000 We could set up automated drone programs where we're constantly delivering food to isolated areas.

00:58:22.000 We could set up drone programs where they're digging the sand out of the Sahara and putting it back in the ocean.

00:58:26.000 Is that what they're doing in New Jersey?

00:58:28.000 So I wonder, I think they might be setting up a system where they can now regulate drones.

00:58:33.000 I'm concerned that it's like they want to scare us and be like, we've got to make sure we can...

00:58:38.000 Other than that, maybe they're training and they're testing some defensive drone technology.

00:58:38.000 I don't know.

00:58:43.000 Yeah, what do you guys think, Charlie?

00:58:44.000 What do you think is going on?

00:58:44.000 I have no strong opinions on it.

00:58:45.000 None whatsoever.

00:58:46.000 I'm watching Charlie die inside.

00:58:48.000 You know secrets.

00:58:48.000 Nobody knows about the drones.

00:58:50.000 Well, I think one thing is clear.

00:58:51.000 We could speculate what they're doing, but the one obvious truth here is that the U.S. government is deliberately freaking out the American people.

00:58:59.000 They are deliberately lying about it.

00:59:01.000 They told us that it was Iranian motherships.

00:59:04.000 They told us that it was the Chinese.

00:59:05.000 They told us that it was civilians.

00:59:06.000 They told us that it was ours.

00:59:08.000 They're speaking out of both sides of their mouth here and they're spreading a lot of fear and panic.

00:59:13.000 What do you want the drones to be, Luke?

00:59:15.000 If you could ideate whatever the actual thing they're doing, what do you hope they're doing?

00:59:22.000 Creating a nice display for Christmas where all the drones are going to come.

00:59:26.000 So we're all going to be surprised.

00:59:27.000 A big American flag and all these drones are going to light up the night sky and they're going to propel the message of liberty and freedom.

00:59:36.000 A drone light show nativity scene is going to take over the entire eastern city.

00:59:42.000 But let's not kid ourselves.

00:59:44.000 The CIA has specific power that allows them to execute American citizens through drones.

00:59:49.000 I think this is them showing their power.

00:59:51.000 I think this is why Donald Trump said, I'm not going to be vacationing and staying in New Jersey.

00:59:56.000 He canceled his travel plans for a reason because I think these drones are a message to him that we are the intelligence agencies.

01:00:02.000 We are the ones in control.

01:00:04.000 We could spread fear.

01:00:05.000 We could spread panic.

01:00:07.000 We don't have to say anything to the American people.

01:00:09.000 We're in charge here.

01:00:10.000 There could be a threat, there could be a suitcase, but guess what?

01:00:13.000 You've got to keep us in power.

01:00:14.000 You can't fire us unless you let us do our job and let us keep America safe.

01:00:18.000 I think this is something that is worth speculating on, and that's my own personal theory.

01:00:22.000 That is conjecture, but I think it's the more kind of plausible explanation here.

01:00:27.000 Do you think there's going to be some kind of false flag before Trump gets in office?

01:00:30.000 I think that could be a threat used against Trump right now.

01:00:32.000 I think there could be a larger message saying, look, this is the operation we got going.

01:00:37.000 This is how we have everyone ramped up.

01:00:39.000 This is how we have the larger psychological war and the psyop playing out already.

01:00:43.000 The American people are primed for this.

01:00:45.000 What are you going to do, Donald Trump?

01:00:46.000 Are you going to keep us in power?

01:00:47.000 Are you going to make sure America is safe?

01:00:48.000 Or are you going to let the bad guys win?

01:00:50.000 What are you going to do here?

01:00:51.000 He doesn't fear them.

01:00:53.000 He does not fear them.

01:00:54.000 There's no part of Trump who has to feel...

01:00:57.000 If he did, he would not be sending Tulsi Gabbard over to be the Director of National Intelligence.

01:01:02.000 He is sending somebody over there who is very thorough, very smart.

01:01:06.000 Charlie and I have spent a lot of time with Tulsi just throughout this transition.

01:01:09.000 I'm not saying he's fearing them.

01:01:11.000 I'm saying this could be their desperate attempt to send him a message.

01:01:14.000 To mislead him?

01:01:15.000 Like, I think his take on Iran is, I don't know exactly what it is, I haven't talked to him about it, but after the attempted assassination on him, and they said, a couple days later, they leaked out, like, it was an Iranian ploy.

01:01:26.000 Oh, yeah, really?

01:01:28.000 It seemed like he took it seriously.

01:01:29.000 Well, real quick, the Butler incident was not related to the Iranian incident.

01:01:35.000 There were multiple teams.

01:01:37.000 And the golf course was not the Iranian one.

01:01:37.000 We got briefed on it.

01:01:39.000 There was another one that was Iran.

01:01:40.000 And how do we confirm there was an Iranian one?

01:01:42.000 We can't.

01:01:43.000 And why would he take it seriously?

01:01:44.000 I mean, you take the threat seriously, but does he want to take over Iran?

01:01:48.000 Does he want to remove the Iranian government from power?

01:01:50.000 He did drop a bomb in Soleimani.

01:01:52.000 He's done it.

01:01:53.000 There's enough reason for Iran to have an issue with Donald Trump.

01:01:58.000 Now, whether or not it actually is a plan from Iran to assassinate Donald Trump, I guess that's probably still up for debate, but...

01:02:07.000 But that's what the media was hinting right after the attempted assassination.

01:02:11.000 They were releasing articles saying, hey, you know, the Iranians could be involved here.

01:02:16.000 It's the Iranian mothership.

01:02:17.000 It's the Iranians that hacked his campaign. 1.00

01:02:20.000 It's the Iranians that hacked also Kash Patel and conveniently will be handing over all the information during his Senate confirmation hearings to the corporate media. 0.99

01:02:28.000 How very convenient that it's always the Iranians here. 1.00

01:02:30.000 I'm going to...

01:02:31.000 I'm about to bounce.

01:02:33.000 One final question I have for you guys about fascism, because I think...

01:02:35.000 I don't even want to say this out loud.

01:02:36.000 It's a joke.

01:02:37.000 A little bit of fascism might be okay.

01:02:39.000 No.

01:02:40.000 What I mean is a little bit of government-corporate collusion might be okay.

01:02:43.000 Maybe collusion is the wrong word.

01:02:45.000 A little bit of government-corporate cooperation is encouraged.

01:02:50.000 Phil Levante, ladies and gentlemen, he's just leaving.

01:02:51.000 I feel like...

01:02:52.000 If we're going to utilize our drone transportation network, that we would work with Amazon.

01:02:56.000 I'm actually, Libby Emmons is about to sit in.

01:02:58.000 She's like, Ian, hurry it up.

01:02:59.000 But she's digging this conversation, too.

01:03:01.000 Libby, I'm coming.

01:03:03.000 Do we use the government to work with Amazon?

01:03:06.000 Or do we, as just citizenry, we're like, we want global drone delivery service.

01:03:12.000 Do we use the government to subsidize it?

01:03:14.000 I know Elon's talked a lot about getting rid of subsidies.

01:03:17.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Lisa Reynolds.

01:03:18.000 And we'll have Libby Emmons. 1.00

01:03:21.000 I'll let you guys ruminate on that.

01:03:23.000 I'm going to bounce.

01:03:23.000 Thank you for having me.

01:03:24.000 I'll be back at the end of the show.

01:03:26.000 See ya.

01:03:30.000 Ian is something.

01:03:31.000 He certainly is, isn't he?

01:03:33.000 Welcome, Tim, to Phoenix.

01:03:35.000 This is wonderful.

01:03:36.000 Thank you for having me.

01:03:37.000 It's an honor and a privilege.

01:03:39.000 What should we be focusing on for the next year?

01:03:43.000 It feels like we won.

01:03:46.000 It feels like we won.

01:03:47.000 We did win.

01:03:48.000 Matt and I have been working on some things together.

01:03:50.000 I don't know if we can talk about all of it publicly.

01:03:53.000 I have no secrets anymore, Charlie.

01:03:55.000 None at all.

01:03:56.000 We are doing our best to make sure that Trump's cabinet is in its best and tip-top form.

01:04:03.000 At least what Turning Point Action will be doing on the political side, and we've said this and we mean it, we will be launching primaries against any senator that gets in the way of President Donald Trump's cabinet or agenda.

01:04:14.000 Good.

01:04:16.000 We are measuring twice and cutting once, and we are finding our targets.

01:04:21.000 Bill Cassidy is on the top of the list in Louisiana, who voted to impeach President Trump, and so he is a political dead man walking, metaphorically, of course.

01:04:32.000 Mike Rounds in South Dakota is on the list.

01:04:35.000 Either Crapo or Rish in Idaho, I can't remember which one is which.

01:04:38.000 They're interchangeable.

01:04:39.000 Crenshaw?

01:04:41.000 Well, yeah, it's in the House.

01:04:42.000 We're focused on senators intentionally.

01:04:44.000 We think the House is going to work itself out.

01:04:47.000 Matt can talk on the House.

01:04:49.000 Lindsey Graham?

01:04:50.000 Lindsey's definitely being considered, that's for sure.

01:04:53.000 Would you guys like to see Lindsey get out? 0.68

01:04:56.000 Clap right now if you want to see Lindsey Graham Broadway.

01:04:56.000 No.

01:04:59.000 Clap right now.

01:05:00.000 Let your voice be heard.

01:05:01.000 Make some noise.

01:05:01.000 Stand up.

01:05:02.000 Please.

01:05:03.000 Thank you.

01:05:04.000 And the reason being is this, is there's a couple elements.

01:05:08.000 Number one, I mean, turning point, we've had an amazing year.

01:05:11.000 We were heavily involved in president's election.

01:05:14.000 Matt knows that.

01:05:15.000 So we have a choice.

01:05:16.000 We can kind of become a boring establishment organization and do nothing.

01:05:19.000 Or we can continue the movement to make the Republican Party in the image of its voters, of which will win us no fans or favor.

01:05:26.000 With the D.C. class, but will actually represent the people.

01:05:28.000 And the biggest impediment is not the House.

01:05:30.000 I think the House actually is far more conservative than people give it credit for.

01:05:34.000 The problem is the U.S. Senate.

01:05:34.000 Matt would agree.

01:05:36.000 The U.S. Senate is the keeper of secrets.

01:05:38.000 It's where most foreign policy decisions are made.

01:05:40.000 It's where the intel agencies go to first.

01:05:43.000 The House is like an afterthought.

01:05:44.000 And the U.S. Senate stands in the way of President Trump's agenda and will not get better until some of these old crows are primaried and removed. 0.50

01:05:53.000 And we saw this with the...

01:05:55.000 The Joni Ernst situation, which I'm not convinced if it's a good idea to primary her just because you have to be careful about the general, but she deserves it, for sure.

01:06:02.000 Where she was fine about voting for Lloyd Austin, for Joe Biden's Department of Defense Secretary, and yet she was giving Pete Hegseth this hard time.

01:06:10.000 Like, no, actually, it doesn't work.

01:06:11.000 We're going to get rid of you.

01:06:12.000 That's the new operating procedure.

01:06:14.000 If you vote for Joe Biden's nominees and you will not enthusiastically vote for Donald Trump's nominees, After we won the popular vote and electoral vote landslide and the greatest American comeback in history, and you, Joni Ernst, who do you think you are exactly?

01:06:27.000 She thinks she's better than you and she doesn't represent the people of Iowa.

01:06:30.000 She got the message.

01:06:31.000 She's behaving right now.

01:06:32.000 What drives these people, it's shocking to me, to see them outright and publicly just say we defy the popular mandate.

01:06:38.000 Well, it's certainly not a care for their voters, and that's where we come in, is that the way that Donald Trump has configured the Republican Party, they now know they can't survive a primary.

01:06:47.000 They can get through a general, there's enough money.

01:06:49.000 And Matt will agree at this, the Republican primary is very treacherous for some of them.

01:06:52.000 And look, we're not here to cause problems for majorities.

01:06:55.000 The way that we're going to do this at Turning Point Action and Turning Point PAC... We will only engage in comfortably red states.

01:07:00.000 That means states where Senate races are won by 15 plus points, okay?

01:07:03.000 We're not going to do this on the margins in states like North Carolina.

01:07:06.000 I got problems with Tom Tillis.

01:07:07.000 That's not wise.

01:07:08.000 It's not smart.

01:07:08.000 We're not here to all of a sudden get someone who's more conservative that can't win a general election.

01:07:11.000 That doesn't do anybody any good, right?

01:07:13.000 However, there are plenty of people that are in these deep red states that don't represent their voters.

01:07:18.000 In fact, some of the most moderate people are from the reddest states in particular.

01:07:22.000 Mike Rounds, Crapo, Rish, Jerry Moran, Roger Wicker, Shelley Moore Capito, Lindsey Graham, whatever.

01:07:29.000 And what we have is a very powerful political operation that is maturing, and we're not just going to go the traditional Republican way.

01:07:36.000 And what we need is, look, we were very instrumental, I believe, and Matt would agree, in removing Ronna McRomney from RNC chair, which was instrumental in Donald Trump's victory.

01:07:46.000 Ronad is now a verb.

01:07:48.000 People don't want to be Ronad, and now we need to find another verb.

01:07:50.000 And so, don't want to be Cassidy'd.

01:07:53.000 But the opportunity here for the exponential enhancement of our capability is lashing Elon's resources and interest in saving the country with the army that Charlie and so many have built here at Turning Point.

01:08:10.000 Elon and others see what happened on the ballot chasing and on registering voters and on the way that you were having events in Detroit, Michigan.

01:08:19.000 You'd never even had an event in Detroit, Michigan before.

01:08:19.000 Correct.

01:08:22.000 We had 10,000 people there.

01:08:23.000 Unreal.

01:08:23.000 And they didn't just come for a social event.

01:08:26.000 It was action.

01:08:27.000 Ready to go.

01:08:28.000 Ready to go win that state with specific ways to work together.

01:08:33.000 Once we scale this, that takes power away from the people who are the best friends of a lot of those ne'er-do-well old crows.

01:08:41.000 One thing that's wild about that is it...

01:08:42.000 Hi, Libby.

01:08:43.000 How's it going?

01:08:43.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:08:44.000 She's the best.

01:08:45.000 I know, like, during this last election, it really started to seem like every race was a national race to a certain extent, and I think that was a lot to do with turning point action, just really isolating and focusing on every single race that was key for, you know, the federal government.

01:09:01.000 Well, thank you.

01:09:02.000 And so our hope in this next kind of primary season is not to cause unnecessary problems or shrink majorities, as I say, but you guys deserve better.

01:09:11.000 And these U.S. senators need to be put on notice that at any time, the metaphorical, political sword of Damocles could fall upon their senatorial campaign and leadership.

01:09:18.000 And if they do not do what the voters have wanted.

01:09:20.000 So, for example, stop sending money to Ukraine.

01:09:22.000 If you keep on sending money to Ukraine, we're going to get rid of you.

01:09:23.000 I'm sorry, it's just end of the story, okay?

01:09:24.000 We know who you are.

01:09:25.000 We know what you did.

01:09:26.000 We're not going to put up with that.

01:09:27.000 It's just, it's insane.

01:09:28.000 It's indefensible.

01:09:30.000 And secondly, this confirmation is, by the way, Bobby Kennedy better sail through.

01:09:34.000 Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, Pete Hegseth, and of course, Tulsi Gabbard.

01:09:39.000 And Tulsi's the very interesting one, because I've said for this entire time, and I love Matt's thought on this, I think Tulsi was always going to be the toughest confirmation fight.

01:09:47.000 You remember, I've said that repeatedly, and I think it's heading that way.

01:09:50.000 And this is how you know we are winning.

01:09:53.000 There's this ridiculous story, Reuters or whatever published it.

01:09:56.000 Eight senators are opposing Tulsi Gabbard.

01:09:59.000 Oh really, what are their names?

01:10:00.000 They never will put a name because they know that now a primary threat is a real thing against them.

01:10:06.000 And so we're not there yet, everybody.

01:10:08.000 But this populist nationalist movement is taking over the entire Republican Party.

01:10:12.000 And the last terrain that the regime controls in the Republican Party is the United States Senate. 0.56

01:10:17.000 It's the final piece.

01:10:18.000 It's the hardest piece.

01:10:19.000 It's the most expensive piece and the highest stakes piece.

01:10:22.000 We feel poised and obligated to engage in the highest stakes.

01:10:29.000 This is amazing.

01:10:30.000 Thank you.

01:10:30.000 Some of the most amazing stuff I've heard in a long time.

01:10:32.000 What makes it the most expensive?

01:10:33.000 Well, Senate races are super expensive.

01:10:35.000 House races you can win with half a million bucks.

01:10:37.000 But the primaries aren't actually as expensive, and that's where it's kind of this really interesting high ROI. But look, Bernie Moreno, who's great, and he won the U.S. Senate race in Ohio, it was $120 million they had to spend on the Republican side.

01:10:52.000 $120 million.

01:10:53.000 Dave McCormick was like $130 million in Pennsylvania.

01:10:56.000 I mean, these Senate races are super yachts, basically, is what they've become.

01:11:00.000 And so the impact of a singular U.S. Senator is far more profound than I think people realize.

01:11:06.000 Far more than the House.

01:11:07.000 I'm not diminishing Matt's former employer.

01:11:10.000 But if you're able to get a couple, you don't have to do all of them, because then all of a sudden the behavioral pattern would change.

01:11:16.000 People will retire.

01:11:17.000 They'll be replaced.

01:11:17.000 And that's the thing.

01:11:18.000 Once there's an open seat, we can fill it with a good one.

01:11:20.000 not worried about that the bigger issue is these remnants of a republican party that doesn't exist anymore these are relics these are antiques they're like where are you from and you think russia is like this terrible problem and like roger wicker from mississippi is talking about how we need to spend more money on ukraine like who are you exactly and it's like he's been grandfathered in who are you a vessel exactly of the lobbyists and special interests who benefit off of forever wars 100

01:11:44.000 and and again we are if you will that if you will change your voting pattern and you will become more populous nationalist then you can be marked safe from But the Ukraine thing, I'm not going to let go.

01:11:55.000 These ridiculous people have been sending money there while our own border was being invaded by a foreign adversary, the Sinaloa drug Mexican cartels.

01:12:05.000 And I think it's outrageous that we allow that to happen for the way we did. 0.61

01:12:08.000 So the Tulsi Gabbard is interesting.

01:12:11.000 Tom Cotton is leading that charge.

01:12:12.000 I've liked Tom for a long period of time.

01:12:14.000 I think he's going to learn that he is on borrowed time soon with MAGA if he keeps this up.

01:12:18.000 Because Tom is great on immigration.

01:12:20.000 Tom is great on the Insurrection Act, remember, with crime.

01:12:23.000 He's phenomenal.

01:12:24.000 But if he gets in the way of Tulsi and all this stuff, that's going to be a tough fight for him.

01:12:29.000 I'm really excited for the next year.

01:12:30.000 You know, Democrats are actually the most vicious to their former members who come our way.

01:12:36.000 When you talk about Bobby and Tulsi, look at what they did to Mike Flynn.

01:12:39.000 Mike Flynn, former Democrat.

01:12:41.000 So when he started to wake up to the excesses of the intelligence community and the threat that they pose, he had to be vanquished in a very specific, unique way.

01:12:50.000 And I think that you're going to see a lot of the ire for Tulsi and Bobby coming from the Democrats.

01:12:56.000 And I am so excited about Bobby Kennedy because it is so nice to actually think about a healthcare policy discussion in Washington that is actually built around making people healthier.

01:13:07.000 Everything else that we have endured has just been about who's paying for it.

01:13:11.000 Well, and it's been about making more drugs to give the American people, just to give us more and more drugs to, like...

01:13:19.000 For sure.

01:13:20.000 And to keep us sick.

01:13:21.000 And to keep us sick.

01:13:39.000 We are going to do massive events, not as big as AmericaFest, but I'm going to bring Matt with me.

01:13:44.000 We're going to do big events in these states of these recalcitrant, troublemaking senators, and they've never experienced it before.

01:13:51.000 So as the confirmation hearings, I'm going to be watching very carefully.

01:13:54.000 I'll be at some of these hearings, and I'm sure you'll be around.

01:13:56.000 And if there's any of these Republican senators that start to get out of line, it's like, oh, really?

01:14:00.000 I hear Cedar Rapids is nice in January.

01:14:03.000 You know, I hear Boise is just balmy in February.

01:14:07.000 Nice Senate seat you have there.

01:14:09.000 Shame if somebody primaried it, right?

01:14:10.000 And by the way, we're going to go do these major events and they have never experienced that kind of primary.

01:14:15.000 What about the ones who aren't in cycle?

01:14:17.000 Because that's the challenge about the Senate.

01:14:18.000 It's not.

01:14:19.000 It's harder.

01:14:20.000 And that's the thing.

01:14:21.000 But that's okay, because the way the Senate composition map is, you're right.

01:14:24.000 And this is actually a profound point that Matt makes, is that they're going to get wise to this because we're talking about it publicly, and what they're going to do is horse trade.

01:14:31.000 This is called James Lankford trademark, TM, okay?

01:14:35.000 This is very important.

01:14:36.000 So this is called the James Lankford trademark.

01:14:38.000 So James Lankford is a gutless wonder from Oklahoma.

01:14:40.000 He's got to be removed.

01:14:41.000 And so James Lankford... 0.98

01:14:41.000 He's awful. 0.98

01:14:44.000 He's like the author of this ridiculous bipartisan bill. 1.00

01:14:47.000 He didn't want to do it.

01:14:48.000 He was sent as an emissary by Mitch McConnell because he's not up for election until 2028. So what they do, here's the ingredient.

01:14:55.000 You find someone from a red, red, red state who is the furthest away, the most amount of time until you have to face the voters.

01:15:02.000 And you dispatch them to go do the ugliest dirty work so that even if you get blamed, you're betting on the fact that people are going to forget.

01:15:09.000 You put you on cable TV, you run a bunch of TV ads, oh, look how James Langford is in 2028. So what they'll do is they'll horse trade. 0.56

01:15:16.000 So people that just got elected in this cycle, in the 2024 cycle in comfortable seats, they're the ones that are going to do the tough bargaining for the Trump cabinet, where people that are in cycle are going to act all tough.

01:15:27.000 That's why Tom Tillis was your Sherpa, right?

01:15:29.000 Tom Tillis was like the best friend for Matt Gaetz.

01:15:32.000 And what did I say to that?

01:15:33.000 I was like, I don't think he...

01:15:35.000 I don't want to, you know, just forsake any of our confidential information, but anyway, I didn't believe it for a second.

01:15:41.000 I don't think Tom Tillis was like a big Matt Gaetz fan, okay?

01:15:44.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:15:45.000 You mean all those love letters he wrote me weren't real?

01:15:48.000 The point being is that Tom Tillis knows that Donald Trump could remove him in a nanosecond, and so he wanted to make good because he's in cycle in 2026. So for the senators that are not up for 2028 or 2030, they're the ones that you have to watch out for because they're the furthest away from the voters.

01:16:05.000 By the way, this whole system is stupid.

01:16:07.000 We need to get rid of the 17th Amendment and go back and get away from the direct election of senators. 0.99

01:16:12.000 The founding fathers never wanted senators to be celebrities.

01:16:16.000 They wanted them to be...

01:16:18.000 By the state legislature.

01:16:19.000 It's not what I want.

01:16:20.000 Subject to recalls.

01:16:21.000 Yes, and that's right.

01:16:22.000 So, for example...

01:16:22.000 Because that way they really have to pay attention to their constituents.

01:16:26.000 Then they're an ambassador.

01:16:27.000 When the president sends an ambassador to another country, they can pull them back if they're not sending their message.

01:16:32.000 And that's what the states are doing.

01:16:34.000 Well, they were supposed to be ambassadors of the states, and if the legislature said, wait a second, you're not representing our interests anymore, we're calling you back and sending someone else to do that.

01:16:41.000 Because that way they're representing the state, not just their district or whatever.

01:16:44.000 People don't know who's representing them at their state level anymore.

01:16:47.000 They don't pay attention.

01:16:48.000 To, like, their state legislatures.

01:16:49.000 They think voting for a federal-level politician is going to clean the street up in their backyard.

01:16:54.000 No, you've got to vote in your state for your state reps and state senators, and they should be appointing the federal senators.

01:17:00.000 Which, again, it's not Charlie Kirk's idea.

01:17:02.000 It's Madison's idea and Hamilton's idea.

01:17:05.000 And, Jay, they wrote this for a reason.

01:17:07.000 Because they did not want senators to become pseudo-celebrities who then can kind of go around, run a bunch of...

01:17:12.000 They didn't have TV ads at the time, but kind of put up populist rancor and not have an accountability structure.

01:17:17.000 We have a bad senator.

01:17:18.000 We have to wait till 2028 or 2030 to get rid of them.

01:17:22.000 They didn't call it the House of Lords for a reason.

01:17:24.000 So here's how it will work in practice.

01:17:26.000 And I know this is a long wind-up.

01:17:28.000 Which is this.

01:17:28.000 Okay.

01:17:29.000 Let's take someone who was just up the cycle.

01:17:31.000 Who won, who's kind of an older crow. 0.97

01:17:33.000 Let's just use, for example, Lankford, because he's not up until 2028. So let's say that all of a sudden Joni Ernst starts to feel the heat, which she is.

01:17:42.000 She will go to Lankford and she will say, I need you to vote against Hegseth, even though I want to, but I can't.

01:17:50.000 So you get me good here.

01:17:51.000 I'll get you good in the future.

01:17:53.000 And that's called vote trading. 0.67

01:17:55.000 And then she'll say, I need you to grill him hard, and I'm going to act as if I'm his best friend.

01:17:59.000 This happens all the time, doesn't it, Matt?

01:18:00.000 I saw the vote trading happen where people were willing to, oh, Matt, I'll definitely vote for you.

01:18:06.000 Let me help you everywhere I can.

01:18:07.000 And then I see them on TV blasting Pete Hegseth.

01:18:10.000 And then there are people, oh, I'll definitely support Pete.

01:18:12.000 And then they go blast me.

01:18:13.000 And it's just so obvious.

01:18:15.000 So they're obviously coordinating, and so it's just transparent.

01:18:18.000 So what you have to do, and this is the only way to beat it, you have to condense the universe of people that are willing to trade.

01:18:24.000 So it gets down to, like, no people, eventually.

01:18:26.000 Otherwise, if the body politic is 15 people, they're all going to be up in different years, and they're constantly going to be trading, and you're never actually able to change the composition of the U.S. Senate.

01:18:35.000 We got a bunch of bad senators, as you pointed out. 0.72

01:18:37.000 We've had this problem for a very long time.

01:18:39.000 I feel like most of my life, I have seen exactly what you're describing with no action being taken, no one knowing what to do.

01:18:46.000 And we sit here at the end of this year at this massive and amazing event that you have put on, Charlie.

01:18:52.000 And first of all, I just want to say this is absolutely incredible.

01:18:56.000 Everything you've been saying about how we're actually going to see action taken against these people who have been selling us out, voting trades, etc., It's cathartic.

01:19:06.000 Is there a concern that we see something comparable among the Democratic Party or any political rivals to try and bring in maybe some further left opposition?

01:19:18.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to say this braggadociously or pridefully, but I don't think a turning point machine exists on the left right now.

01:19:26.000 It does not.

01:19:27.000 It doesn't, and they've been complaining about that.

01:19:29.000 They've been writing about that in the New York Times, lamenting the fact that they cannot pull something like this off.

01:19:34.000 They need to get Beyonce out there, and they need to get Megan Thee Stallion out there and whoever else to parade them around just to get enough people to come to the stadium. 1.00

01:19:43.000 And it's fake.

01:19:44.000 Those people didn't want to be there.

01:19:45.000 And here's Charlie, who's doing it all, sitting here, raw conversation, no script, is in front of a crowd explaining exactly what he's going to do and how he's going to do it, and they have nothing.

01:19:45.000 No.

01:19:51.000 And we're all stoked to be here.

01:19:53.000 Like, everyone's so thrilled to be here.

01:19:55.000 Everybody came on their own accord.

01:19:57.000 We didn't have to start by disclaiming all of our privileges.

01:20:00.000 No.

01:20:01.000 No land acknowledgement.

01:20:02.000 Having a nice group cry.

01:20:04.000 But who's left in the Democratic Party? 0.99

01:20:06.000 Because as I look at the landscape, we've got the alpha males, we've got such a historic degree of the black vote and the Hispanic vote now for Republicans, and the Democratic Party has been reduced to beta males, transsexuals, lesbians, and the ugliest of angry, lonely women. 0.99

01:20:26.000 And I say that because the hotties came our way at the end. 1.00

01:20:29.000 The hotties were late-breaking for the Republicans because they looked at what was going on on the left and they didn't want to be a part of that. 0.82

01:20:33.000 It's a mystery why you didn't get your confirmation.

01:20:35.000 How do you really feel, though?

01:20:38.000 I actually think that soon the trans women will be in charge of the Democratic Party because they are the most masculine force left. 1.00

01:20:49.000 They're going to occupy the bathrooms, too. 0.99

01:20:52.000 They have more testosterone than the soy boys. 1.00

01:20:54.000 Who do you bet to actually win the fight of the Democratic Party, the trans women or the soy boys? 1.00

01:20:59.000 Definitely the trans women. 1.00

01:21:01.000 But this is not a joke.

01:21:02.000 It is kind of.

01:21:03.000 It sounds like one, but it is actually, I think you're correct.

01:21:06.000 In all seriousness, you are seeing many women on the Democratic side who vote deferring to males who identify as women instead in a lot of circumstances, in sports and now in Congress.

01:21:17.000 Yep, in Congress.

01:21:18.000 I mean, look at Sarah McBride.

01:21:19.000 You know, people are all about letting Sarah McBride use the bathroom on the Democratic side. 1.00

01:21:23.000 Every member has their own office, a bathroom in their own office.

01:21:26.000 There's no reason for that person to use a bathroom anywhere else, ever.

01:21:31.000 There's also, I'm interested in your take on how Nancy Pelosi recently torpedoed AOC's try to be the ranking member on oversight.

01:21:38.000 What was that about?

01:21:40.000 I mean, AOC is like, like her or don't like her.

01:21:42.000 She's at least a young, forceful person. 1.00

01:21:44.000 And Pelosi's older than Joe Biden.

01:21:46.000 She's legitimately talented.

01:21:48.000 You don't get 13 million followers as a member of Congress without having some sort of talent.

01:21:51.000 I'm sorry.

01:21:52.000 I don't know if she's bright, Matt can tell you, but she understands the internet intimately well.

01:21:55.000 She knows how to navigate it.

01:21:56.000 She is smart in terms of her political ambitions.

01:21:58.000 Yeah, of course.

01:21:59.000 It's not controversial.

01:22:02.000 Matt would know this far better than I would.

01:22:04.000 I only know it as an outsider.

01:22:05.000 She used to be a political rebel and then kind of played the establishment game and has become kind of super boring in some ways. 0.91

01:22:10.000 But at least under Democrat circles, again, they're so just unbelievably just dry and shallow.

01:22:16.000 I guess she's interesting by their standards. 0.99

01:22:18.000 And we have Matt Gaetz, and we're not boring, okay?

01:22:21.000 So we got a lot of depth at the conservative movement.

01:22:27.000 But it shows this...

01:22:29.000 That insurgencies will be quelled by Democrat leadership, and they build their political party how they eventually want to build the country.

01:22:37.000 They build it as Mao would build his government, which is, it is pure totalitarianism.

01:22:42.000 It's a pull-it bureau that if you dare to defect, we are going to pull your parking pass, your wife will be off the board of the Kennedy Center, you're going to get an audit, and your businesses all of a sudden have OSHA and the FTC visit next week.

01:22:52.000 And you think I'm kidding.

01:22:54.000 No, that sounds for real.

01:22:55.000 No, that is 100% how they operate.

01:22:57.000 Well, there's another feature, and it's bipartisan.

01:22:59.000 It's for folks who you think may deviate from the leadership narrative or those directions, you have to dangle something just out of their reach that they're trying to get but don't quite get.

01:23:11.000 AOC will be the Democrat lead on oversight in short order or something else, but you have to maintain the fiction that it's the Pelosi echelon of political leadership that actually doles out power.

01:23:24.000 And additionally, this is what's important.

01:23:26.000 The Republican Party, for all of our problems, is that we have a representative element where we can primary people.

01:23:33.000 We are a true political party where if you want to run, you can get rid of the ossified old guard. 1.00

01:23:40.000 It's so much more interesting, and honestly, what democracy should be is far more alive and well in the Republican Party.

01:23:47.000 The Democrat Party is not.

01:23:48.000 The Democrat Party is incredibly totalitarian.

01:23:51.000 It's very top-down.

01:23:52.000 Now, the question remains, And I don't know the answer to this, is where did the energy go and will it ever come back of that Bernie Sanders rebel, what do they call themselves, our revolution?

01:24:04.000 What was the name of the group that drafted AOC? It was a very, very well...

01:24:07.000 Justice Democrats.

01:24:08.000 It was the Justice Democrats.

01:24:08.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:24:10.000 Whatever happened to them?

01:24:11.000 Because they were the ones that actually...

01:24:12.000 They got corporate jobs.

01:24:14.000 Well, actually, tomorrow, I don't know if you know this, Tim.

01:24:16.000 I mean, tomorrow, it's supposed to be a discussion.

01:24:17.000 I don't want to debate him.

01:24:19.000 I have no interest in it.

01:24:20.000 If he does, I'll respond.

01:24:22.000 Cenk is coming here tomorrow.

01:24:23.000 I don't even know that.

01:24:24.000 And we're going to discuss this because I actually think he's on to something.

01:24:27.000 And he's been the only one saying it honestly on social media, which is like the Democrat Party has become disgusting and really corporate.

01:24:33.000 And I think he's been really consistent about it.

01:24:35.000 I don't know if you've been following any of this.

01:24:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:37.000 Yeah, we had him.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, Anikas Barron was like leading the charge with that because she had been a victim of...

01:24:42.000 Of that whole thing.

01:24:43.000 And that's why I invited Cenk, because I think it's going to be interesting.

01:24:44.000 Again, I don't have...

01:24:45.000 We had him on too.

01:24:46.000 There's a debate here with Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks in that you can take a look at some of these prominent personalities, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, start to sing a different tune once they see what the election ended up being.

01:24:56.000 All of a sudden, they realize they're on the wrong side of history.

01:24:58.000 And you start hearing them say, well, maybe we do need to shake things up a little bit.

01:25:02.000 Maybe, you know, and they're chilling out.

01:25:04.000 Or Bill actually going as far as to say, I can't do this anymore.

01:25:07.000 Maybe I should quit or something like that.

01:25:09.000 So the criticism then becomes that Cenk Uygur is only saying this because his viewership is down and he's been chasing the minority market share and he's realizing he's on the wrong side of history, something that many leftists fear the most.

01:25:20.000 Do you think he's sincere when he says that he wants to meet in the middle with populists?

01:25:24.000 I have no idea.

01:25:25.000 That would be only with intimate amount of time spent with him would I be able to know the motives.

01:25:30.000 What I do think, though, is that he's very smart as a business person, this I totally think, because there's this untapped Democrat media pool of people that are very just like temperamentally left-wing that have no economic populism outlet at all.

01:25:45.000 I mean, so at least as a business person, he's communicating to a growing portion.

01:25:49.000 Again, I'm not just saying he's just in it for the money or not, like whatever.

01:25:51.000 But I think that what he's saying is profoundly interesting, where if Kamala Harris, for example, which of course she wouldn't because she's a technocrat, she's not very smart.

01:25:59.000 But if Kamala Harris... 1.00

01:26:01.000 Would have come out and she would have said, I'm going to secure the border and give you UBI. I'm going to say there's no more billionaires in America and we're going to be able to say that I'm going to relieve your student loan debt and give you a house. 0.98

01:26:11.000 That would have been very hard to run against.

01:26:13.000 In the sense, again, I'm not one to give them ideas.

01:26:16.000 It was obvious in front of us.

01:26:17.000 You have the world's richest man and a billionaire running for the presidency.

01:26:19.000 If the Democrat Party would have ran an anti-billionaire, economic, populist, restrictionist immigration message, that would have been lethal.

01:26:26.000 And it would have been very hard because no one would have believed it from Kamala.

01:26:28.000 But if that would have ever manifested at the top of the Democrat Party this cycle, that is the only way they could have defeated Donald Trump.

01:26:33.000 They could have only defeated populism with populism and done it.

01:26:36.000 The immigration thing, they would have had to go to the right. 0.99

01:26:38.000 They had to quell their base.

01:26:38.000 They would have had to concede it.

01:26:39.000 If they would have done that, Free stuff populism would have been incredibly hard. 0.98

01:26:44.000 And that's what I... Cenk has been preaching that message to his, you know...

01:26:48.000 I'm not a big Cenk fan, but let's give him a little bit of credit because he did call out Barack Obama's drone program when everyone on the left was acting like he never heard of it.

01:26:57.000 And he was canned and fired by MSNBC for not going along with the war propaganda.

01:27:02.000 So there is that.

01:27:03.000 Sorry, Cenk.

01:27:04.000 I was just going to say that they didn't realize that that could even be a strategy because they're all stuck in their own echo chamber.

01:27:10.000 But now, just like Cenk is kind of turning around, so is AOC. She did a whole live stream saying, hey, the people that voted for me and the people that voted for Trump, come talk to me.

01:27:20.000 Tell me why.

01:27:21.000 Tell me why you did this.

01:27:22.000 She didn't understand it.

01:27:22.000 She's running in 2028. She didn't understand.

01:27:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:27:25.000 I think it's more because they don't venture out past their own ecosystem.

01:27:30.000 So they didn't realize it.

01:27:32.000 I think this of Cenk Uygur, I don't care about his motivations.

01:27:35.000 I care about the results of what he does.

01:27:37.000 And if he comes here and he says, Charlie, tell me what your goals are.

01:27:40.000 And if we find a middle ground, let's accomplish what we both want to accomplish.

01:27:43.000 Let's get it done.

01:27:44.000 I want to hear from him.

01:27:46.000 What is the state of the Democrat Party?

01:27:48.000 Where is it going?

01:27:49.000 What happened to all the grassroots rebel energy?

01:27:51.000 Where is the MAGA equivalent on the left?

01:27:54.000 Because it just isn't there.

01:27:55.000 It just seems so just...

01:27:58.000 What is the organizing principle of the Democratic Party today?

01:28:01.000 Well, they don't know either.

01:28:02.000 Again, that's why I invited him.

01:28:02.000 It's shifting sand.

01:28:03.000 I actually think it's going to be one of the more interesting discussions.

01:28:05.000 What do you stand for?

01:28:06.000 I've got to tell you, Charlie, I know where the former MAGA energy from the left went.

01:28:10.000 It's sitting right here.

01:28:11.000 That's right.

01:28:12.000 I was supporting Bernie Sanders in 2015 and 2016. Joe Rogan was supporting Bernie Sanders up until a couple years ago.

01:28:17.000 And the Democratic Party has gone insane.

01:28:20.000 And you see RFK Jr., you see Tulsi Gabbard, you see Elon Musk.

01:28:24.000 You see Donald Trump, you see a bunch of former Democrats leading the Republican charge, and you see over and over again, I love this, they say in the media, where's our version of Joe Rogan, or so help us at Tim Poole.

01:28:35.000 We all had that populist energy back then, and they went insane. 0.78

01:28:39.000 They were abusive, authoritarian.

01:28:41.000 They don't believe in the values of this country.

01:28:43.000 They hate this country.

01:28:44.000 They demand that we hate the country.

01:28:45.000 We don't want to hate the country.

01:28:46.000 They hate free speech.

01:28:47.000 They hate freedom of religion.

01:28:48.000 They hate freedom of the press.

01:28:50.000 They hate, you know, illegal search and seizure, you know, being against illegal search and seizure.

01:28:54.000 They hate all of that stuff.

01:28:56.000 And they're pro-war.

01:28:56.000 They're pro-war.

01:28:57.000 They're pro-connor votes for war now.

01:29:00.000 Look, I mean, they have completely gone against everything that was liberal about being liberal.

01:29:05.000 Libby and I... I'm here, I'm a conservative because I believe in free speech and freedom of religion and freedom of the press.

01:29:11.000 We were both voting Democrat.

01:29:12.000 And my Bill of Rights, that's right.

01:29:14.000 Luke is an anarchist, or I don't know how he describes himself.

01:29:17.000 I was always a conservative.

01:29:19.000 All of these different elements and different factions came together to form this unified group that you were describing earlier, Charlie.

01:29:25.000 The left just has people in a cult.

01:29:27.000 People who don't know what's going on and don't pay attention.

01:29:29.000 I think that's right.

01:29:30.000 And look, we have to sustain a fair amount of, let's just say, Intel operations that are going to be run against our movement.

01:29:39.000 I think that you might be...

01:29:39.000 The drone thing is super smart.

01:29:41.000 You made another point about an Intel operator.

01:29:41.000 I think...

01:29:44.000 Was it the drone thing?

01:29:45.000 I think that's one of the smartest things I've ever heard.

01:29:47.000 I think you're totally right.

01:29:48.000 But like, for example, another operation, I don't think it's from the Intel agencies, is they're trying to draw Elon and Trump apart.

01:29:55.000 Try to make it seem as if that, you know, Elon's the We're good to go.

01:30:21.000 Lobster food.

01:30:22.000 It is not inconceivable.

01:30:24.000 I would be done in the lobster food.

01:30:26.000 It is not inconceivable if we remain humble and work our tail off and improve the party and stay in a grassroots posture and continue our games with black Hispanics, with young people.

01:30:35.000 We keep on owning the internet as we have and we're willing to embrace differences and different ideas and actually have freedom of speech.

01:30:42.000 If the Democrat Party continues on their current trajectory with very little changes, which is going to be hard for them to shed some of the trans stuff, it's very, very embedded. 1.00

01:30:51.000 That is in the DNA of the Democrat Party.

01:30:53.000 It is in the fiber.

01:30:54.000 But it's new.

01:30:56.000 But it's not inconceivable that we can end up having a decade-long reign.

01:31:00.000 I don't know how they recover from this.

01:31:03.000 Anyone can adjust.

01:31:04.000 The Democrats were having podcasts in 2021 after January 6th and said, I don't know how they recovered from this.

01:31:09.000 You can do it.

01:31:10.000 Time is short.

01:31:11.000 In the new era, digital stuff, people forget stuff.

01:31:13.000 If they get serious, the biggest threat for us is a Bill Clinton-esque Democrat.

01:31:19.000 Not a Josh Shapiro, but more like Fetterman, who is cool, understands the free stuff populism, and stands up to the Democrat Party on three things.

01:31:27.000 Bill Clinton stood up to the Democrat Party on three things in the 1990s.

01:31:30.000 He said, you guys are wrong on crime, on welfare, and immigration.

01:31:33.000 He ran on all three, and he basically said to the go take a hike base of the Democrat Party.

01:31:38.000 Either vote for me or don't.

01:31:40.000 And he stood up to him and ended up winning the presidency.

01:31:42.000 It's going to require whoever becomes the next Democrat nominee to basically tell them on trans, immigration, and maybe war.

01:31:48.000 Like, sorry, you're not with me.

01:31:50.000 Then don't vote for me because I'm going to go try to change this party.

01:31:52.000 And there is no other path for the Democrat Party.

01:31:55.000 Who is that Democrat that you fear most?

01:31:57.000 Andy Beshear?

01:31:58.000 He just doesn't have a personality.

01:32:00.000 I'm less worried about the person, and I'm more worried about the actual form.

01:32:05.000 Because I think that anybody can shapeshift into the form, right?

01:32:09.000 Because, again, I'm not here to give them intelligence.

01:32:11.000 They're smart enough to know this.

01:32:12.000 But whoever has the talent...

01:32:14.000 Look, Pete Buttigieg is a little bit worrying in some sense, because...

01:32:18.000 He's like so creepily automated that I think to a certain extent he would be, I don't want to say difficult, but different than Kamala.

01:32:27.000 But Buttigieg is going to try some of this stuff and he has the biography, but less than the person that we shouldn't get too high on our own supply because if the Democrats really want power back, if we fulfill our mandate and we start doing stuff, they're going to get Jesus very quickly, metaphorically.

01:32:42.000 You know what I'm saying, Tim?

01:32:43.000 They're going to be like, okay, we have to wise up.

01:32:45.000 And by the way, let's just be clear, we as Republicans, We are very, very pro-life, but we also read the room on abortion this last year, right?

01:32:53.000 And we adjusted and we adapted.

01:32:54.000 They thought they had us dead to rights on Roe versus Wade.

01:32:56.000 There's no way they can come back from this.

01:32:58.000 The 2022 was the Roe-vember or whatever. 0.89

01:33:01.000 And no, we saw it.

01:33:02.000 We read the room.

01:33:03.000 We went, okay, the country's not as pro-life as we are.

01:33:05.000 We have to be incrementalists now.

01:33:07.000 And we adjusted and we adapted.

01:33:09.000 To answer your question, Tim, I think it's the wrong premise.

01:33:11.000 Well, they come back by doing what political operatives do, which is adjust to the circumstance in front of them.

01:33:11.000 How do they come back?

01:33:17.000 We shouldn't be too prideful to say they won't do that.

01:33:19.000 On the abortion issue, it was actually fairly easy for someone like me.

01:33:22.000 They went to the extreme end in the other direction.

01:33:24.000 There was no compromise on that side, and there was compromise with conservatives on the issue.

01:33:29.000 I look at these Democrats outright either denying that they want abortion to the point of birth or being openly for it and telling me that saying maybe there should be restrictions In the first, you know, after the first few weeks or something like this, they said, that's a hard pro-life, far-right position.

01:33:43.000 And the celebrating of it was what I think turned a lot of people on.

01:33:45.000 And the taxpayer funding of it.

01:33:46.000 Yeah.

01:33:47.000 But do you remember, you used to be able to be a pro-life Democrat.

01:33:50.000 That was a thing.

01:33:51.000 You could be a Catholic, pro-labor, pro-life Democrat.

01:33:54.000 There's one.

01:33:55.000 And that's not allowed anymore because the Democratic Party, and we were talking about this earlier in terms of You know, how they behave in Congress.

01:34:01.000 The one thing that they are super good at is being unified in their message, whatever new fashionable garbage message it is.

01:34:09.000 And they're really good at being unified, you know, in their votes.

01:34:12.000 So that's something that...

01:34:14.000 I have to dash.

01:34:15.000 I got another event I actually have to go to.

01:34:17.000 There's a Shabbat dinner with some of our Jewish friends they're doing right now.

01:34:20.000 I promise I'll go speak at it.

01:34:21.000 Guys, tomorrow we have amazing speakers.

01:34:24.000 The chink thing, I think, is in tomorrow afternoon. 1.00

01:34:26.000 That will be definitely great.

01:34:28.000 You haven't spoke yet, right?

01:34:29.000 Sunday.

01:34:29.000 Oh, Sunday.

01:34:30.000 That's right.

01:34:31.000 I can't remember who else is tomorrow, but it's going to be great.

01:34:34.000 And please, guys, the one thing I'll say, support our sponsors.

01:34:37.000 They help make this event possible.

01:34:39.000 So walk through the exhibit hall, get to know them, sign up, buy some stuff, support the people in the exhibit hall, please.

01:34:47.000 They're the ones that paid to be here, that made it so that we didn't have to charge you an over-exorbitant.

01:34:53.000 They literally subsidized your tickets for being here.

01:34:56.000 So go there, support them, walk through the exhibit hall, give them some love.

01:34:59.000 I'll see you guys tomorrow.

01:35:00.000 Thank you, guys.

01:35:01.000 Thanks, guys.

01:35:01.000 As Charlie has taken off, we'll give him a round of applause.

01:35:03.000 I just want to say this is incredible, man.

01:35:08.000 Listening to what Charlie was saying and primarying these people is a dream come true because I have talked about how I despise these people who run for office and play dirty backroom deals knowing that we can't vote them out for six years and they're hoping that we forget everything they did six years later.

01:35:25.000 So let's get it.

01:35:27.000 But our memory gets shorter, not longer, unfortunately.

01:35:32.000 And that's why creating the infrastructure around the movement, like Charlie suggested, is the key to success.

01:35:38.000 What I encountered was that there was a bastion of senators who felt as though they owed nothing to Donald Trump, that they owed really very little to their voters, and were going to hold their position regardless.

01:35:51.000 This is interesting.

01:35:52.000 Let me ask you, let's say that Donald Trump doesn't emerge in 2015, never comes down the escalator.

01:35:58.000 Would Hillary Clinton have won? 0.99

01:35:59.000 Yes.

01:36:00.000 Where would we be today if there just was no Donald Trump?

01:36:03.000 He retired, got a boat, and went off to the Mediterranean to drink martinis.

01:36:06.000 It would be like shaking the Bush family tree for another one to fall out.

01:36:11.000 Yeah, that would be a terrifying place to be.

01:36:13.000 I think we'd have more wars than we had before.

01:36:16.000 We'd still be in Afghanistan probably.

01:36:18.000 There'd be more than 2,000 troops in Syria.

01:36:20.000 There'd be more going on.

01:36:21.000 You know, maybe we'd have boots on the ground in Ukraine.

01:36:24.000 We'd have more illegal immigrants in the country than we do right now. 0.98

01:36:27.000 We would have had more coming in.

01:36:29.000 I think that it would have been a pretty bad situation.

01:36:32.000 You know, and I think the Democrats also should look back at that time period because one thing that they did was they launched this resistance, right?

01:36:40.000 And the idea of the resistance was not that they were going to consider any specific policy.

01:36:44.000 They weren't going to look at Trump and say, oh, he's doing this.

01:36:47.000 I kind of like that.

01:36:48.000 He's doing that.

01:36:49.000 I don't really like that too much.

01:36:50.000 Instead, they just did a blanket opposition.

01:36:54.000 To the presidency.

01:36:56.000 They didn't have any respect for the office.

01:36:58.000 They had no respect for the man.

01:36:59.000 And they had no consideration for the will of the American voters.

01:37:02.000 And this is, I think, what's going on now with, like, Chank and Morning Joe and all of these people, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, who are sort of like, well, maybe we should look at it a little differently.

01:37:12.000 Because they spent this whole time just being blatantly oppositional without any substance behind that oppositionalness at all.

01:37:18.000 They only care that they're on the wrong side of history.

01:37:20.000 Joe Scarborough's been around so many times, it's like a revolution.

01:37:24.000 I mean, Joe Scarborough and I both represented the same district in conservative North Florida.

01:37:30.000 And then when, you know, MSNBC wrote the $10 million check, he went the other way, and now the advertisers are starting to see the diminished viewership with that myopic view, and he's coming back home, maybe.

01:37:41.000 Here he is.

01:37:42.000 Let me ask you, Matt, how does someone like you actually end up being in Congress?

01:37:46.000 Where you're not controlled by the lobbyists or these big corporations.

01:37:49.000 You're not pulling these backroom deals like so many others.

01:37:51.000 Where did you come from?

01:37:53.000 How does this happen?

01:37:53.000 You know, I was a country lawyer in North Florida.

01:37:55.000 I got elected to the state legislature.

01:37:57.000 I did a good job there.

01:37:59.000 My congressman of 15 years, who was a mild-mannered, good southern gentleman, you know, vacated the post.

01:38:06.000 And I sought the post.

01:38:07.000 And by the way, at the beginning, I was just like the rest of them.

01:38:11.000 I showed up there in Washington and I said, how do you win this game?

01:38:14.000 And it's, okay, well, it's this lobbyist who's helping you now, but you could parlay that into this PAC and then this special interest group.

01:38:22.000 And then you go from this dinner party to a better dinner party that can get you more money.

01:38:26.000 And then a committee, subcommittee chairmanship if you do everything they want.

01:38:30.000 If you give your vote card to the leadership and your calendar to the lobby corps, you know, in four years, they'll call you Mr. Chairman and you'll get bigger staff.

01:38:37.000 And, like, there was one...

01:38:39.000 I woke up sleeping in my own office as a man in my late 30s and said, I don't even want to win this game anymore.

01:38:47.000 I actually would rather not go spend time with those people and do these things.

01:38:51.000 And it was a moment of zen where I determined that I would win or lose based on what The regular people of this country wanted.

01:38:59.000 And if they wanted to replace me, fine.

01:39:01.000 But I wasn't taking the money anymore.

01:39:03.000 And I was the only Republican in Congress who took no lobbyist money and no PAC money after that commitment.

01:39:09.000 And now there are zero Republicans in Congress who refuse all lobbyists and PAC money.

01:39:14.000 And we ought to encourage more to follow that path.

01:39:17.000 You know, we were at the RNC this year, and I saw something that was incredible because I covered a lot of different RNCs.

01:39:23.000 But we didn't see the Cheneys.

01:39:26.000 We didn't see the Bushes.

01:39:28.000 We didn't see the old neoconservative John Bolton bloodthirsty warmongers like we used to see there.

01:39:34.000 And we saw a new kind of evolved Republican political party where individuals like Matt Gaetz represent, I think, the exact opposite of what George W. Bush represented.

01:39:43.000 So I do have to say it is amazing to see you guys Come along the side of all the liberty-minded people, all the conspiracy-minded people, all the people that love capitalism, that love individuality, that right there, love health, love taking care of themselves.

01:39:58.000 That revolution right there is something worth noting because this change allowed us to be where we are here today.

01:40:04.000 So goodbye to the old Republicans.

01:40:07.000 I like you guys a lot, though.

01:40:09.000 You guys are pretty cool.

01:40:10.000 But Luke, I give you guys credit, too.

01:40:12.000 The libertarians, the anarchists, it was very hard at times to maintain a coalition with a group of people who resist coalitions by their very nature.

01:40:12.000 Agreed.

01:40:24.000 And self-sabotage each other all the time.

01:40:25.000 And we saw Trump go to the libertarian convention.

01:40:25.000 Right.

01:40:29.000 It was combative, but super interesting.

01:40:33.000 Do you think him going there helped get that liberty vote?

01:40:35.000 Absolutely.

01:40:36.000 That was tremendous.

01:40:37.000 He was able to show that he's willing to speak to a room full of opposition and be honest with them.

01:40:43.000 He wasn't pandering.

01:40:44.000 He's going to be freeing Ross.

01:40:44.000 He wasn't lying.

01:40:46.000 I hope he free Rogers Vare.

01:40:48.000 I hope he frees all the individuals that were wrongly imprisoned.

01:40:51.000 Edward Snowden.

01:40:52.000 Yes, I hope he pardons Julian Assange.

01:40:55.000 I hope he pardons all of them.

01:40:56.000 But this is the larger kind of deal concession that was reasonable because it was honest.

01:41:02.000 It wasn't fake.

01:41:03.000 And truly, I've been working with the Russell Burke case for a very long time.

01:41:08.000 seeing him walk free in the next few days is going to be something that's going to have a huge ripple effect amongst all the American people that will understand that freedom is capable.

01:41:20.000 The wrongs could be fixed just because we all came together and decided to put our differences aside, which is huge.

01:41:26.000 The other day, Donald Trump was giving a press conference, and one of the reporters says, are you considering a preemptive strike against Iran?

01:41:31.000 And he's like, how am I supposed to answer a question like that?

01:41:34.000 You can't ask me that.

01:41:35.000 I loved his answer. 0.88

01:41:36.000 Because normally you'd get some stock garbage answer.

01:41:40.000 This is a guy who is completely willing to just talk like a person.

01:41:44.000 So when we saw him at the Libertarian Convention, reading from a prompter saying, like, here's what I want to do, and then he's getting laughs, then he's getting boos, he goes, fine, then you get 3%, you lose.

01:41:53.000 Everybody busts out laughing.

01:41:54.000 He's just telling you like it is.

01:41:54.000 That was great.

01:41:56.000 I respect it.

01:41:57.000 Yeah, and he was right, of course.

01:41:59.000 Absolutely.

01:41:59.000 There was something you said at one point.

01:42:02.000 You said there's nothing wrong with being a congressional backbencher.

01:42:05.000 What did you mean by that?

01:42:06.000 Well, if you're always trying to obtain the front row seat, the chairmanship, the leadership title, then you become compromised because you're willing to give away a little bit more of yourself to achieve that objective.

01:42:20.000 And these people work themselves into a psychological just mystery where...

01:42:26.000 If they advance, they believe in their own virtue so much that any non-virtuous thing you have to do to support your own advancement is justified.

01:42:36.000 And after a while, you're nothing but a valet for the lobbyists and special interests who are destroying the country.

01:42:43.000 And so I joked with my little crew that sat with me that we were making backbenching great again because we didn't owe anyone anything.

01:42:50.000 We were willing to communicate directly to the people, and also we weren't afraid of losing.

01:42:55.000 I was so inspired by Congressman Eli Crane of this fine state when he walked in to the Speaker's office and said, I have face down, like, you know, the...

01:43:06.000 Radical Islamic extremists overseas.

01:43:09.000 I don't worry about whether or not I'm going to lose an election.

01:43:12.000 I'm here to do the right thing for the Constitution and for the country.

01:43:15.000 And that courage can be contagious.

01:43:17.000 That is really the hope with Trump coming back, is that all of these husks of humans I served with in the United States Congress will actually grow a spine and stand up and fight for the people who are counting on them to deliver the results that we've all been promised.

01:43:32.000 I was just going to say, I think that you were kind of exceptional because you have a big personality and things like that.

01:43:38.000 I know members of Congress that I've worked for, they came in and they wanted to do the right thing.

01:43:43.000 They said, I'm coming down here, I'm going to do the right thing.

01:43:46.000 And then, you know, they didn't make the right vote for leadership.

01:43:49.000 And all of a sudden, they were getting no committee assignments and nobody wanted to co-sponsor their bills.

01:43:54.000 And right.

01:43:55.000 And so I think that They got beat down thinking they couldn't serve their constituents unless they played ball, and then it sucks them in.

01:44:02.000 So what would your advice be to them to, like, get out of that if they can't be on Fox every night?

01:44:08.000 Isolate what they can never take away from you.

01:44:12.000 They can never take away your vote.

01:44:14.000 The people gave you that vote.

01:44:16.000 I may go cast one on January 3rd.

01:44:18.000 You better.

01:44:19.000 Do it.

01:44:20.000 But the people give you that vote.

01:44:22.000 And so if you hold that as yours, right, that is empowering.

01:44:26.000 What I found is that I own my five minutes.

01:44:28.000 When I had one of these dirtbags in front of me from the Biden administration or even some of the bad ones from the Trump administration, I had five minutes to ask whatever questions I wanted and no one could take that away from me.

01:44:39.000 And I used that as a way to expose a lot of the problems going on.

01:44:43.000 And then you'd have people that...

01:44:46.000 Would see those dynamic exchanges and say, I want to do that.

01:44:49.000 I don't want to just get the association for, you know, Southeast paper distributing to give me my little talking point to go read.

01:44:58.000 No, Matt, how did you trick that person into giving that answer?

01:45:01.000 How did you get them to admit that they should have known where the laptop was and didn't know?

01:45:05.000 And then you start to develop those skills.

01:45:08.000 And there are a lot of great folks that are still there who I hope will continue to proliferate that.

01:45:14.000 There we go.

01:45:15.000 Yeah, I'm here for it.

01:45:16.000 Yeah.

01:45:17.000 We need more.

01:45:18.000 That's a good message just for general life.

01:45:20.000 Like, just find what they can't take away from you.

01:45:23.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 And lean into that.

01:45:24.000 That's what Luke is always preaching about healthcare.

01:45:26.000 He says, you know, you have a say in whether or not you win or lose the biological war that is being waged against your body.

01:45:34.000 And if you sit back and take it, then that's how we get diseased, that's how we get sick, that's how we live diminished lives.

01:45:34.000 Absolutely.

01:45:40.000 But if you take agency over your body's own resilience, I did 25 push-ups after I heard that riff from me.

01:45:47.000 Good.

01:45:48.000 Big Pharma doesn't want you to heal yourself.

01:45:50.000 That's why I got a hat that says, make America not fat again, because we are very fat.

01:45:54.000 We are very overweight. 0.99

01:45:55.000 We're very sick.

01:45:57.000 We're very downtrodden.

01:45:58.000 We're very attacked in all elements of our life.

01:46:01.000 And when we realize the larger truth of, hey, my health is actually in my hands.

01:46:05.000 I'm actually participating in the larger destruction of my own personal health.

01:46:08.000 I'm going to stop investing in this.

01:46:09.000 I'm going to stop spending my money on this.

01:46:11.000 Everything changes because you're able to see things clearly.

01:46:14.000 I mean, getting rid of the fluoride from the drinking water, which RFK Jr. is promising, could unleash the full potential of the American public to be finally unleashed and have their pineal glands decalcified.

01:46:24.000 That larger potential, that neurotoxin being cut away from the water drinking supply could essentially allow America to be a leader on the world stage when it comes to intelligence, when it comes to health, and when it comes to being the change that you want to see in this world.

01:46:37.000 And that's beautiful, and that's amazing to see.

01:46:39.000 Well, pharmaceutical companies, their big goal is to make sure that we're all lifelong medical patients.

01:46:44.000 That's why they love the concept of trans child so much.

01:46:46.000 Because they put you on drugs when you're 12 years old.

01:46:49.000 They start cutting up your body at like 14. And then by the time you're like 50, 60 years old, you can't do without the drugs that they are feeding you.

01:46:56.000 They've infiltrated the medical schools too.

01:46:59.000 They're the ones that are paying the medical schools.

01:47:02.000 They're the ones that are writing the textbooks.

01:47:04.000 And so even the doctors are now brainwashed by the big pharma companies.

01:47:09.000 There's a larger narrative here that we're actually discussing, and that's the idea of agency for the individual, which is something that is very common on the right that the left really doesn't have.

01:47:21.000 And the more that we can...

01:47:24.000 Add fuel to that fire inside of people that want to take responsibility for themselves, whether it be taking responsibility for your own life as in your health or taking responsibility for your own income by starting a business.

01:47:36.000 These are things that the right needs to be...

01:47:39.000 We need to remind the right that this is the home of that kind of mentality.

01:47:45.000 That's a really great...

01:47:46.000 I guess, descriptor for the factions, I guess, in the culture war, those who have agency and those who don't.

01:47:51.000 I was thinking, you know, a lot about what you're just saying.

01:47:53.000 They don't want responsibility for their own actions.

01:47:55.000 They want the government to pay for their things.

01:47:57.000 They don't want to have jobs.

01:47:58.000 They want the government to lock everything down when they're scared.

01:48:00.000 But these are also people who don't follow the news, don't pay attention.

01:48:04.000 They just follow whatever line they're told, whatever talking point, because they don't want or have the agency to do it themselves.

01:48:13.000 It's scary to take responsibility for yourself.

01:48:16.000 If you are responsible, then you're the one that's to blame when things go wrong.

01:48:20.000 And that's a hard thing for a lot of people to deal with.

01:48:23.000 But the founders of this country and the people that make America actually great are the people that will stand up and say, I've got this great idea and I can go do it.

01:48:34.000 And it's that attitude of self-reliance and Belief in yourself that makes America stand head and shoulders above every other country in the world.

01:48:43.000 It's a lot better than being ruled by a death cult.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, I'm often asked, though, well, Matt, you know, the Democrats, they always just do whatever Pelosi says or whatever Schumer says, and the Republicans, it's like herding cats with all you going every direction, and this is why.

01:48:57.000 Because they value the collective, and oftentimes we rejoice in an individual expression of courage or intellect or creativity or beauty, and they don't have the same appreciation for it.

01:49:08.000 You know, we're in this massive convention center.

01:49:12.000 This is crazy.

01:49:13.000 All the lights, when I'm seeing the speakers come out, the amazing production value of AmFest.

01:49:19.000 And it's a cultural hub that is tremendous.

01:49:23.000 The end of every year, I've been doing it, I think this is the fourth year they've been doing it?

01:49:26.000 It's absolutely incredible.

01:49:27.000 This year, you know what we saw that was really amazing?

01:49:29.000 It was when, it was a UFC fight.

01:49:31.000 Luke, you can tell me which fight it was, I don't remember, but you got Trump walking out with, who was it?

01:49:36.000 Dan Bongino was there.

01:49:38.000 Something like that.

01:49:39.000 UFC, as popular as it is with the entire country, it's on the big screen at every sports book and casino and every wing stop or whatever restaurant, and there is Donald Trump walking out as a part of this massive cultural institution.

01:49:54.000 Seeing stuff like this and then thinking about what is even existing on the other side, it's...

01:49:59.000 I can't help but feel extreme optimism for what's coming next year with Charlie talking about how we're going to primary all these bad Republicans.

01:50:07.000 The conversation wasn't even about how we stop bad Democrats.

01:50:10.000 It was, now that we've done that, we're going to go for the bad Republicans.

01:50:14.000 We are building the cultural institutions.

01:50:17.000 Bud Light has faltered.

01:50:19.000 Target recoiled over this.

01:50:20.000 Disney is canceling things.

01:50:21.000 We are swinging everything in our direction, and now we're going to clean up everything on this side, too.

01:50:25.000 It's But we have to hold their feet to the fire, because we always say this, and then it comes time to get rid of Obamacare or whatever, and the Republicans do nothing.

01:50:33.000 But don't you feel hope from what you just saw this last week?

01:50:33.000 Right.

01:50:35.000 Oh, of course.

01:50:36.000 I'm just saying.

01:50:36.000 Not the election.

01:50:38.000 It's like I got PTSD a little bit, you know?

01:50:39.000 But, like, I've never seen the lobbyists lose before, and we took that 1,500-page bill down to nothing.

01:50:45.000 It's still not great.

01:50:46.000 It's not great, but it is better than they have ever.

01:50:49.000 What they do, they back members up against the Christmas holiday, and they say, if you want to go see your family for Christmas, you're going to vote for what the swamp wants.

01:50:56.000 And they've done it every time until now.

01:50:59.000 And Lisa, you know better than most people, considering your work with Congress and stuff, the idea that with the margins that we have now, that we're going to get in there, and Republicans are going to be able to get everything they want, you know that because of just the way the numbers work, you have to do some kind of deal to get anything done at all.

01:51:17.000 I think I was the deal.

01:51:18.000 I think I was the thing you wanted, you didn't get.

01:51:20.000 And maybe we'll get the rest of it.

01:51:22.000 You know, I've moved the Overton window so much on cabinet appointees.

01:51:26.000 Maybe we'll just get, like, Tulsi and RFK. Yeah, but who's there doing that?

01:51:30.000 Now that you're gone, who's going to take your spot and take up the charge?

01:51:33.000 Well, in anything that we do, we always hope we have to inspire people who come behind us to improve upon our work.

01:51:39.000 Who?

01:51:40.000 I look at people like Eli Crane, and Ana Paulina Luna, and Corey Mills, and, you know, Andy Biggs, and I am heartened that there are patriots who put the congressional pin on every day and go do that job.

01:51:55.000 We need more of them.

01:51:56.000 I think there might be some out there.

01:51:58.000 Would someone say Matt, first speaker?

01:51:59.000 I would be a great leader.

01:52:02.000 I just have no followers in Congress.

01:52:05.000 It is remarkable how when all that fighting is going down in the House, hopefully again on the 3rd when you're there to cast that vote, that it seems so obvious to all of us here that this is a broken machine and none of these people are operating honestly.

01:52:22.000 There's a lot of retaliation that goes on.

01:52:24.000 Tell me about it.

01:52:26.000 There's a lot of manipulation, retaliation, things that you don't expect, that you don't see every day.

01:52:33.000 I studied politics going to college and I had no idea what it was about until I actually interned there.

01:52:39.000 It's a whole other world.

01:52:40.000 House of Cards, actually, is probably the best representation of my former job in the entertainment space.

01:52:48.000 Would you agree?

01:52:49.000 I agree, yes.

01:52:50.000 I've seen McCarthy do some horrible things to people, and like, yeah, because they didn't vote for him for a speaker, and they held this person down and made them a laughingstock and wouldn't let anybody sign on bills.

01:52:59.000 I remember when things were going on with Madison Coulthorn, and he had a great bill, and people were like, no piece of pride, don't put your name next to it.

01:53:06.000 Same thing with Marjorie Taylor Greene, and it was disgusting. 0.98

01:53:09.000 So it was like Congress is like, Like, even if they were 100% a part of the bill, like, they loved it, they left everything in it, just because it had Marjorie's name on it, or just because it had Cawthorn's name on it, nope, they didn't even want to be a co-sponsor.

01:53:22.000 Straight up Mean Girls. 1.00

01:53:23.000 Half jokingly, though, was there ever anything you saw that got anywhere near pushing a journalist in front of a train?

01:53:31.000 I mean, I don't literally think anybody in Congress...

01:53:34.000 Well, Madison Cawthorn did talk about those private parties and orgies he was invited to, and then he got kicked out of Congress. 1.00

01:53:42.000 I was never invited to them, so I'm kind of, you know...

01:53:44.000 Yeah, he got invited to better parties than we did.

01:53:47.000 Well, he was proven right, which is crazy.

01:53:48.000 Margaret Taylor Greene had a great bill that I was really sad to see that no one signed onto.

01:53:53.000 That's exactly what I'm talking about.

01:53:54.000 The bill was to make it so that, to extend the statute of limitations to sue for malpractice for child sex changes.

01:54:02.000 Yeah.

01:54:03.000 And I think that's a really key bill.

01:54:05.000 We're seeing, like, lawsuits right now against doctors in North Carolina and California.

01:54:09.000 And anyone who was butchered like this underage really needs to be able to sue those doctors and those hospitals into the ground.

01:54:17.000 Like, take their houses, you know what I mean?

01:54:19.000 And she had this great bill. 0.94

01:54:21.000 Yeah, I think that's ridiculous.

01:54:22.000 And people forget that that's the role of the speaker. 0.60

01:54:25.000 I was disgusted that no one would sign on to that bill.

01:54:27.000 Like, I was disgusted.

01:54:28.000 But that used to be career-ending.

01:54:31.000 If you were deemed a pariah in Washington, oh, you could never get anything done.

01:54:35.000 But if you folks started to wear it as a badge of honor and say, oh, well, this town doesn't like me, fine.

01:54:35.000 It's getting better.

01:54:40.000 I know the folks I represent.

01:54:42.000 And then you can lay it bare.

01:54:43.000 Because it's actually pretty ugly when you lay it bare.

01:54:46.000 And it's empowering to not be beholden to it and not have to draw power from it.

01:54:50.000 When AOC first won her primary, it was against Crowley, I believe.

01:54:54.000 I was cheering for it.

01:54:56.000 To see this long-term establishment Democrat, they say he was the fourth highest ranking member, lose everything to a young upstart.

01:55:02.000 I'm like, good, bring it on.

01:55:03.000 They all deserve it.

01:55:04.000 I feel like AOC was a bit of a disappointment, unfortunately.

01:55:07.000 I suppose I got a question.

01:55:09.000 I think she's disappointed herself.

01:55:10.000 She came up to me when we were making the demands on McCarthy for stuff that even the Democrats wanted, the ability to have votes on our amendments, single-subject bills, so stuff isn't all jammed together.

01:55:22.000 And she came up to me after the first time...

01:55:25.000 In that famous picture?

01:55:26.000 Yeah, McCarthy didn't get the vote, and she said, you know, I wish we would have had the courage to do this with Pelosi. 0.99

01:55:33.000 Damn. 0.99

01:55:33.000 People forget, though. 0.99

01:55:34.000 So it was self-reflective.

01:55:35.000 I wish so, too.

01:55:36.000 And I agree with Cenk Uygur because he was calling for that.

01:55:38.000 He said, challenge the speakership and use the power you have with your base.

01:55:41.000 They wouldn't do it.

01:55:42.000 They fell in line.

01:55:43.000 Well, yeah, and you know what she got for it?

01:55:44.000 She got the Financial Services Committee and the Oversight Committee. 0.59

01:55:48.000 And so the most dangerous thing you can do if you're a new member of Congress coming in is to let them know what you want.

01:55:54.000 Right, interesting, because then they'll hold it against you.

01:55:57.000 Or give it to you in exchange for a compromise that is so deep that it even has somebody that was rooting for her to prevail in that election utterly discouraged. 0.74

01:56:07.000 We have about five minutes left, so I want to give everybody the opportunity to give their final thoughts and just, you know, shout-outs or whatever.

01:56:13.000 Where do you think we're going?

01:56:14.000 Anything you want to say that you didn't get a chance to say?

01:56:16.000 And who wants to go first?

01:56:17.000 Luke does.

01:56:18.000 2024. It's the year that the deep state failed.

01:56:22.000 2024, it's the year that the corporate prostitute media is done and finished.

01:56:28.000 2024 is the rise of the populist, America first, silent majority that said enough is enough.

01:56:34.000 Liberty and freedom over all over the woke world.

01:56:39.000 Which was freaking amazing and beautiful to see.

01:56:42.000 This larger coalition that we're building is incredible.

01:56:44.000 Let's keep it moving forward, and let's keep it moving forward, not with government, but with individuals taking direct action by making themselves the best version of themselves.

01:56:53.000 You can do it.

01:56:54.000 Get active.

01:56:54.000 Get engaged.

01:56:55.000 The time is now.

01:56:57.000 Oh, it's my turn?

01:56:58.000 It's not mine.

01:57:00.000 I just want to say that I'm really grateful to you guys for coming out, and I'm really grateful to Tim for having me on tonight.

01:57:07.000 And coming to Turning Point, I've been coming for four years, and it always just gives me so much hope that there's so many people out here who are passionate, who have so much going on in their lives.

01:57:17.000 Who are so excited about the future, about their kids, and about their families.

01:57:22.000 And I'm really, you know, I'm just so impressed with everybody that I've met here this time around and, you know, in the past years.

01:57:28.000 And I just want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas.

01:57:30.000 I hope that if you're celebrating with family or eating the Christmas special at Denny's, you have a great day.

01:57:37.000 Stay away from the seed oils, though.

01:57:40.000 I don't know.

01:57:41.000 I just want to say, like, I'm encouraged, like you said, by everybody that's here.

01:57:45.000 But keep up the fight.

01:57:47.000 Like, let's not slow down.

01:57:49.000 Like, let's fight even harder.

01:57:50.000 And support your members of Congress.

01:57:52.000 Support the firebrand types like Matt Gaetz, because then they don't have to take that nasty speaker money.

01:57:57.000 Right?

01:57:58.000 For sure.

01:57:59.000 People forget that they're responsible for going around fundraising.

01:58:02.000 So just keep doing everything you're doing.

01:58:04.000 Keep coming to Turning Point events and fighting for this wonderful country that we all love so much.

01:58:10.000 Thank you.

01:58:14.000 Don't lose, don't forget the fact that, or don't forget how important what happened with that continuing resolution was.

01:58:21.000 Like, that's the first time an omnibus bill has ever been defeated.

01:58:25.000 Ever.

01:58:25.000 And it was because of things like X, because of free speech, because of people like you being involved.

01:58:35.000 Like, it's great that you're here at AmFest, and it's great that Charlie puts this on, but the fact that Actual, tangible results are real and possible is probably the best white pill that you can have, right?

01:58:48.000 So, for everybody out there that thinks that it's not possible to affect the government or impact the government, it has never been more possible than it is right now.

01:58:58.000 So, if you've been blackpilled or you've had a bad outlook, remember, Donald Trump did win.

01:59:04.000 He beat the deep state.

01:59:06.000 He beat the media.

01:59:07.000 And you guys won by calling your representatives and saying, this bill is unacceptable.

01:59:12.000 Do it again.

01:59:13.000 So, cheers to you guys.

01:59:15.000 And I hope you all have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

01:59:20.000 Yeah, Merry Christmas.

01:59:22.000 One of the original sins of the censorship industrial complex was that One America News was taken off of DirecTV, not because of any legitimate diminution in people watching their program because they didn't like the viewpoints that were expressed.

01:59:39.000 I'm going to have a show on One American News because they are a feisty network.

01:59:43.000 I'm a feisty former congressman.

01:59:45.000 I'm going to work hard to get them re-platformed in the places that allow us to get that message out.

01:59:51.000 So I hope you'll watch the Matt Gaetz Show, 9 o'clock Eastern, starting in January.

01:59:55.000 Where's Ian at?

01:59:56.000 There he is!

01:59:57.000 All right, everybody.

02:00:00.000 We got one last shout-out from our good friend Ian Crossland.

02:00:03.000 And subscribe to the Post Millennial.

02:00:05.000 You've got 20 seconds.

02:00:07.000 Just shout out to you guys, you particularly.

02:00:10.000 Lisa.

02:00:10.000 I see you with the white hat for coming out, man.

02:00:12.000 You guys are part of this too.

02:00:13.000 We're like all moving this thing together, separate, but together.

02:00:18.000 This is like fucking exhilarating to be a part of this, whether it's up here, out there, in there, where's that? 0.94

02:00:24.000 Doesn't matter, man. 0.98

02:00:25.000 You're part of this.

02:00:26.000 So...

02:00:26.000 Make a good life for yourself.

02:00:28.000 Tell yourself a healthy story.

02:00:30.000 You want to be impeccable with your word.

02:00:32.000 Do not sin against yourself with your own word.

02:00:34.000 Tell your story.

02:00:36.000 Tell your life story as if you are your best friend.

02:00:39.000 What advice would you give them?

02:00:40.000 Give that to yourself.

02:00:41.000 Be kind to yourself, man.

02:00:42.000 We need you right now.

02:00:44.000 Amen.

02:00:44.000 And I want to give a special shout-out to Matt Gaetz for bringing up Graphene earlier.

02:00:49.000 2025 is the year of inception.

02:00:51.000 We're going to make some wild leaps in technology.

02:00:54.000 Where can people find out more about you guys?

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02:01:03.000 We have some great contributors, Jack Basilbik, Andy Ngo, Katie Davis-Gort, so come check it out.

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02:01:09.000 I am PhilTheRemainsOnX.

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02:01:20.000 And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

02:01:22.000 You want to follow me at IanCrossland, Luke?

02:01:26.000 Thank you very much for reminding me to shout that out.

02:01:29.000 Follow me online, guys.

02:01:30.000 Matt?

02:01:31.000 At Matt Gaetz.

02:01:33.000 We'll be back January 6th.

02:01:35.000 This is it.

02:01:36.000 We're taking two weeks off because Christmas is coming up, so I hope everybody spends time with your family.

02:01:40.000 And if you like my stuff, I got some stuff too.

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02:01:50.000 It means a lot. 0.73

02:01:50.000 I'm going through a lot of crap. 0.73

02:01:51.000 Everyone is. 0.99

02:01:52.000 But I'm more white-pilled than ever.

02:01:54.000 I'm super excited.

02:01:55.000 Everybody?

02:01:55.000 I like that shirt.

02:01:56.000 Thank you all so much for coming.

02:01:58.000 Lisa Reynolds, ladies and gentlemen!

02:01:59.000 Lisa Reynolds! 0.98

02:02:00.000 Lisa, shout out to the crew, all the guys, Serge, Kellen, Carter's over there.

02:02:05.000 Without them, this stuff doesn't happen.

02:02:07.000 We're going to wrap it up.

02:02:08.000 Thank you all so much for hanging out.

02:02:09.000 You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.

02:02:11.000 We have a couple of golden shoes to give out.

02:02:13.000 Who wants to throw them?

02:02:15.000 I'll throw them.

02:02:15.000 Let me throw one.

02:02:16.000 Who wants the other one? 0.99

02:02:18.000 All right, ready?

02:02:19.000 Thank you all so much, and we'll see you all next year.

02:02:21.000 All right, Phil, you do that one.

02:02:23.000 I'll do this one.

02:02:24.000 Thank you, everybody.

02:02:37.000 We got a winner.

02:02:39.000 All right, let's roll.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - December 21, 2024

LIVE From America Fest, Last Episode of the Year w- Charlie Kirk, Matt Gaetz | Timcast IRL

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