Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - LIVE: Trump Address Iran War In Historic Speech

00:00:00.000 The world is a very important part of the world.

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00:00:39.000 is a very important part of the world.

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00:00:54.000 And The world is a very important part of the world.

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00:02:25.000 one hour, Donald Trump will address the nation on what is currently going on with the Iran war, and speculation is running rampant.

00:02:32.000 Many people believe that he is going to announce he is winding things down.

00:02:36.000 The Iranian government has suffered a regime change, and there's new leadership.

00:02:40.000 And he already announced that they are begging for a ceasefire.

00:02:44.000 At the same time, troop movements still indicate that we may be planning an invasion of Karg Island.

00:02:48.000 So we shall see.

00:02:50.000 And in one hour, we will be here live to hear what the president has to say.

00:02:54.000 In the meantime, oh boy, we got a lot to talk about.

00:02:57.000 Matt Gaetz claims that there's a secret government program kidnapping illegal immigrants and making them breed with space aliens.

00:03:04.000 That's not a joke.

00:03:06.000 It was yesterday.

00:03:06.000 So everybody was like, was this April Fools?

00:03:08.000 And I was like, it was yesterday, actually.

00:03:10.000 So maybe he preempted April Fools.

00:03:13.000 Or sure, I guess, whatever.

00:03:15.000 I mean, Artemis 2 just left.

00:03:17.000 They're on their way to the moon, and it was awesome.

00:03:19.000 And all of the moon landing deniers are sweating and gripping their seats.

00:03:23.000 Shane Cashman.

00:03:24.000 Shaking.

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00:03:25.000 Shane most affected.

00:03:26.000 Shane Cashman.

00:03:27.000 I love you, Shane.

00:03:28.000 I love you.

00:03:29.000 But the big news, of course, is the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on birthright citizenship.

00:03:34.000 And it sounds like they are inclined to deny Donald Trump.

00:03:38.000 We're not sure exactly, but it looks like their attitude is nah, if you're born here, you're a citizen.

00:03:43.000 So we'll talk about that and more.

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00:05:27.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Michael Malice.

00:05:30.000 Happy April Fools, Tim.

00:05:32.000 What's your favorite day?

00:05:34.000 It gets up there.

00:05:35.000 We had a fun thing planned, which fell through, which we're going to have to do next April Fools.

00:05:39.000 I'm excited to be here and talk about this birthright citizenship.

00:05:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:42.000 I'm excited too.

00:05:42.000 It's going to be great.

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00:05:47.000 What up?

00:05:50.000 Tomorrow's my birthday.

00:05:52.000 For people who are only listening, he was just doing devil horns.

00:05:54.000 I don't normally tell people, but tomorrow's my birthday, so let's make a big deal out of it.

00:05:57.000 Tomorrow's your birthday?

00:05:58.000 April 2nd, 4 a.m.

00:05:59.000 I was almost born on the floor.

00:06:01.000 I thought your birthday was April 20th.

00:06:02.000 No, it was the two.

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00:06:04.000 Oh, 420?

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00:06:06.000 No, I dated a girl on 419.

00:06:07.000 It was actually not a wee joke, it was a Hitler joke.

00:06:09.000 My dad's born on 418.

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00:06:12.000 Birthdays only matter for children in the weed, man.

00:06:15.000 Speaking of Hitler, we have this story from NPR.

00:06:18.000 Supreme Court majority seems inclined to rule against Trump on birthright citizenship.

00:06:23.000 I'm just going to come out right away and say it.

00:06:26.000 Based on what the Supreme Court was saying, it sounds like we're cooked, like this country cannot stand.

00:06:32.000 And we actually have one of the arguments.

00:06:35.000 We have a video here, which is fascinating.

00:06:37.000 I'm going to play this for you.

00:06:38.000 This is John Sauer, the U.S. Solicitor General, arguing.

00:06:41.000 That the framers of the 14th could never have predicted airplanes and 8 billion people coming to this country or 500 birth tourism companies.

00:06:54.000 Here's how John Roberts responds apparently, there's no audio coming through quietly at first and then all at once.

00:07:01.000 Yeah, why aren't we getting any audio?

00:07:02.000 Is it off?

00:07:03.000 No, it was my fault.

00:07:05.000 Twitter was muted.

00:07:07.000 Based on Chinese media reports, there are 500 birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China whose.

00:07:15.000 What business is to bring people here to give birth and return to that nation?

00:07:21.000 Having said all that, you do agree that that has no impact on the legal analysis before us?

00:07:27.000 I think it's, I quote what Justice Scalia said in his Hamdan dissent, where their interpretation has these implications that could not possibly have been approved by the 19th century framers of this amendment.

00:07:40.000 I think that shows that their interpretation has made a mess of the provision.

00:07:45.000 Well, it certainly wasn't a problem in the 19th century.

00:07:48.000 No, but of course, we're in a new world now, as Justice Alito pointed out, where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a child who's a U.S. citizen.

00:07:56.000 Well, it's a new world, it's the same Constitution.

00:08:00.000 And as Justice Scalia said, I think in the case that Justice Alito was referring to, you've got a constitutional provision that addresses certain evils and it should be extended to reasonably comparable evils.

00:08:00.000 It is.

00:08:11.000 He said that about statutory interpretation.

00:08:12.000 I think the same principle applies here, and I think we quote that in our brief.

00:08:16.000 I would argue he's correct.

00:08:18.000 John Sauer, the U.S. Solicitor General, is correct in his assessment that the Fourth Amendment does not address the birth tourism companies and illegal immigrants.

00:08:28.000 Real quick, the principal argument made by John Sauer was that Wong Kim Ark stated.

00:08:34.000 A domiciled immigrant in this country who has a child, that child will be a U.S. citizen.

00:08:41.000 And the argument from John Sauer is that illegal immigrants are not domiciled here.

00:08:45.000 And Alito points out correctly if they are subject to removal at any point, it would be impossible for them to be domiciled here.

00:08:52.000 He then brings up the issue of birth tourism, where they enter here either illegally or under false pretenses.

00:09:00.000 They fly to Guam, give birth, and go back.

00:09:02.000 And now those.

00:09:03.000 What's up?

00:09:04.000 Or California, not even Guam.

00:09:05.000 But Guam is a big issue because it's so easy for them to get to it.

00:09:08.000 They go to lots of places, not just Guam.

00:09:10.000 Yeah.

00:09:11.000 So the issue that I see here is I believe John Sauer's argument in this regard is correct that the Fourth Amendment does not address birthright citizenship in these contexts, and the Supreme Court does need to answer.

00:09:22.000 And if they want to answer, you're wrong, that's fine.

00:09:26.000 But to simply say, but, you know, the Constitution says the same, so we're not going to do anything, does not answer these questions.

00:09:32.000 So it is correct of John Sauer to say, you must address this.

00:09:37.000 I am against birthright citizenship, period.

00:09:39.000 I want that to be clear.

00:09:41.000 But I also think if you agree with a legal conclusion, you might disagree with the legal reasoning that gets you that conclusion.

00:09:49.000 So if someone is pro choice, it's still fair to say that Roe v. Wade was bad law.

00:09:54.000 A lot of people can't wrap their heads around this, right?

00:09:56.000 Yes, 100%.

00:09:57.000 His argument about this new world is the same argument every crappy leftist says with the Second Amendment.

00:10:01.000 It's going to make the exact same argument.

00:10:03.000 Absolutely.

00:10:03.000 We had no internet when the Bill of Rights was passed.

00:10:06.000 The First Amendment applies to the internet.

00:10:09.000 They didn't have AR 15s.

00:10:10.000 When the Second Amendment was passed, the Second Amendment applies to.

00:10:14.000 And to your point about this is going to be deleterious to America, correct.

00:10:18.000 I don't dispute that.

00:10:19.000 The mechanism for remedying this is Congress, the legislative branch.

00:10:23.000 That is what their point is.

00:10:24.000 Actually, I have to interrupt.

00:10:26.000 The Supreme Court just said, in fact, not correct, that the Fourth Amendment was crafted specifically so that Congress could not intervene.

00:10:33.000 No, no, no.

00:10:34.000 I'm not talking about the Fourth Amendment.

00:10:35.000 I'm saying if there is a problem legislatively, it has to be solved, not through the legislation.

00:10:39.000 This is the Fourteenth Amendment.

00:10:41.000 Challenged, right?

00:10:42.000 If there's been decades of law, which I don't agree with, and it's judicial precedent, not codified law.

00:10:48.000 But there's also something called stere decisis, which is what John Roberts was voted in on, which is his point if something has been around for a long time, it should take a lot for the Supreme Court to overturn.

00:10:59.000 But my point is simply that Congress cannot remedy this, as per the argument from the Supreme Court that the Fourth Amendment was crafted specifically so that Congress would not intervene in what determines safety.

00:11:08.000 But it does undo an amendment, they can do all sorts of things.

00:11:11.000 Yeah, Congress can repeal it.

00:11:14.000 Congress through state ratification, or what do you mean?

00:11:16.000 Like two thirds of the state.

00:11:17.000 Just like with the Prohibition Amendment.

00:11:18.000 If something is not working out, you go through the legislative process.

00:11:21.000 Right, right.

00:11:22.000 And I don't believe it will.

00:11:23.000 If your argument is the amendment should be repealed, agreed, or clarified.

00:11:26.000 Or clarified.

00:11:27.000 Congress can't pass a law clarifying this was the Supreme Court's argument.

00:11:31.000 Right.

00:11:31.000 But they can.

00:11:32.000 They would have to repeal the 14th.

00:11:33.000 Right.

00:11:34.000 Or re edit it.

00:11:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:35.000 Repeal and replace.

00:11:37.000 I would argue this.

00:11:38.000 I would argue exigent circumstances.

00:11:41.000 The idea that we would say the internet wasn't covered by the First Amendment because the founding fathers didn't understand that.

00:11:48.000 My response is well, the internet is an issue of increase in speed of speech, not an issue of foreign adversaries can take control of our country.

00:11:57.000 The foreign adversaries use the First Amendment all the time.

00:11:59.000 They run ops on social media every fucking day.

00:12:02.000 And there's a big difference between.

00:12:04.000 A foreigner coming here and speaking or flooding us, which are threats which we can address, and a Chinese national becoming the president and dismantling our country.

00:12:12.000 First of all, our country hasn't been dismantled.

00:12:13.000 And I would much rather, in a sense, but we're not arguing that it is.

00:12:16.000 I'd much rather have 10,000 illegal immigrants become citizens than half the stuff that all these other countries run in American citizenry.

00:12:23.000 All these other countries, what all these ops that they run on social media in American citizenry.

00:12:27.000 So again, including one of the points that I'm saying on you that you showed before we started.

00:12:31.000 If your argument is that China is attacking us, yes, we can repel these attacks through sound government, we can repel these attacks through.

00:12:38.000 Focus, knowledge, and the collective defense, whatever that may be.

00:12:42.000 Sure.

00:12:42.000 On the issue of guns, the founding fathers actually did know that private individuals had weapons of mass destruction.

00:12:48.000 I'm just saying this is an argument that the lefties use all the time.

00:12:51.000 I disagree.

00:12:52.000 It's not.

00:12:52.000 They don't use that argument?

00:12:54.000 It's not the same argument.

00:12:55.000 It is.

00:12:56.000 Again, I'm literally addressing when they say the founding fathers didn't know about machine guns.

00:13:00.000 Yes, they did.

00:13:01.000 They had repeaters.

00:13:02.000 Like, they knew about these weapons.

00:13:04.000 They knew about weapons of mass destruction.

00:13:05.000 I'm saying I'm agreeing with the lefties.

00:13:07.000 I'm saying This argument is not an argument on technology.

00:13:11.000 This argument is the foundation of the country, of our governance cannot function because of these new exploits that are attacking it.

00:13:19.000 And all we need now is the Supreme Court to say narrowly if someone, the Supreme Court can say, if a Honduran, for example, enters the country illegally and seeks to live here and gives birth to a child, they can say that child is a citizen.

00:13:36.000 However, if an individual comes here through birth tourism, They are not.

00:13:41.000 They could do that.

00:13:42.000 More importantly, I think the end result of this, and that's what's so shocking about John Roberts' argument, is the Supreme Court went leaps and bounds to say, even Katanji Brown Jackson, allegiance can be temporary.

00:13:53.000 And she is correct.

00:13:55.000 Many people are making fun of her for saying this.

00:13:56.000 She goes, If I go to Japan and I steal someone's wallet, I am subject to their laws.

00:14:02.000 They can arrest me.

00:14:04.000 That is temporary allegiance to their system.

00:14:06.000 In fact, if someone steals my wallet, they will remedy that for me, which is temporary allegiance.

00:14:11.000 She is correct.

00:14:13.000 Correct.

00:14:13.000 However, she actually just argued why they should end birthright citizenship because the people who intentionally break our laws have shown they have no allegiance.

00:14:23.000 I'm not arguing at all that birthright citizenship should be ended.

00:14:25.000 I agree with you.

00:14:26.000 That was literally the first thing I said.

00:14:29.000 So, in this context, when he says we have these birth tourism things, the argument is if a person intentionally violates our laws for the purpose of exploiting this, it should not be allowed.

00:14:42.000 And Robert's response is I don't care.

00:14:45.000 This is the way it is.

00:14:47.000 Because, first of all, it's the child who's being in the legal.

00:14:50.000 This is not my point of view.

00:14:51.000 By the way, I just want to be clear because people, I'm trying to steal Man Robert's point of view.

00:14:56.000 His point of view is it's the kid who's not the criminal because the child cannot be guilty of a crime.

00:15:00.000 They still should be given the rewards of citizenship.

00:15:02.000 I don't agree with that.

00:15:03.000 What I'm saying is it's very.

00:15:04.000 That's not his argument.

00:15:05.000 Let me finish.

00:15:06.000 It's just very dangerous when you have a president unilaterally deciding the law because, in four years, first of all, the other point of this, they were pointing out, Well, if this is true and you vote, you judge the way Sauer wants, you're going to de citizenize, or whatever the term is, many people who have been regarded citizens for years.

00:15:25.000 And he's saying, no, it's just going to go forward, not retroactively.

00:15:28.000 That's not what they argued.

00:15:30.000 Yeah, just from now, they're not going to denaturalize.

00:15:33.000 But legally speaking, if you're going to overturn birthright citizenship, it would make much more sense to remove the citizenship of people who are birthright citizens than to just say going forward.

00:15:33.000 Correct.

00:15:45.000 Do you not agree?

00:15:46.000 I don't personally agree with that.

00:15:47.000 Well, I'll explain.

00:15:48.000 Because if you're saying birthright citizenship is illegitimate and the analysis of the 14th Amendment that's been going on for like whatever 80 years, however, is wrong, then all those people who had currently been regarded citizenship through birthright citizenship should retroactively not be regarded citizens.

00:16:03.000 Because it was never correct law to begin with.

00:16:03.000 Why?

00:16:06.000 I suppose the argument is to the Supreme Court asking, the Solicitor General said that would create a massive bureaucracy, which would be impossible.

00:16:15.000 And so if you can't provide the remedy, you can at least provide an injunction.

00:16:20.000 Are you opposed to people who are the citizens as a result of birthright tourism to have their citizenship stripped?

00:16:26.000 Within a certain time frame.

00:16:28.000 What do you mean?

00:16:30.000 So if someone's 30 years old and their parents were illegal immigrants, but they've been living here for 30, like, They were born here and they lived here for 30 years.

00:16:37.000 It makes no sense.

00:16:38.000 But in a legal sense, how do you make that distinction?

00:16:40.000 If something's wrong, it's wrong.

00:16:41.000 Because we're not robots and the law is not drawn by mathematical absolutes.

00:16:46.000 One of the biggest mistakes, I love this point, that people tend to make is that they think that if the words are written on a piece of paper, it's law and it must be.

00:16:53.000 And then, like, one of the jokes you'll see is there's an old trope where a guy is doing surveys out in the street or he's doing petitions and he's like, We want to save the forests.

00:17:04.000 Can you fill out my petition saying you want to help save the forests?

00:17:06.000 And they're signing a power of attorney form.

00:17:08.000 And then people go, like, oh man, Netflix did a show where a woman's life was being turned into a TV show.

00:17:14.000 And they said, when you signed up for Netflix, the terms of service said, that is not real.

00:17:19.000 That's not real.

00:17:21.000 If I asked Ian, would you like to buy this gavel from me?

00:17:25.000 I'll drop a sales contract.

00:17:26.000 And in it, it said, he's now indentured to me or I own his home.

00:17:31.000 He'd go to court and say, I wasn't giving my home to him.

00:17:33.000 I'll say, I have a contract right here saying he was.

00:17:35.000 The judge will say, shut your, get out of my court.

00:17:38.000 The contract is dissolved.

00:17:39.000 End of story.

00:17:40.000 That's why judges exist.

00:17:41.000 No, that's not.

00:17:42.000 Okay.

00:17:42.000 There is actually.

00:17:43.000 Yes, it's interpretation.

00:17:44.000 You didn't even know what I was going to say.

00:17:45.000 You're telling me.

00:17:46.000 And then I responded, it is.

00:17:46.000 You said that's not.

00:17:47.000 I didn't finish the sentence.

00:17:48.000 I was going to say that's not a hypothetical.

00:17:50.000 These are real cases.

00:17:52.000 There's a guy named John Hassness, his essay, The Myth of Objective Laws in the Anarchist Handbook.

00:17:57.000 And these are real legal cases.

00:17:58.000 There was a woman, an old woman, she signed up for like Salsa lessons.

00:18:02.000 And it was like $1,000 a lesson.

00:18:04.000 And he sued her.

00:18:05.000 And she went to the judge.

00:18:06.000 The judge said exactly what you said with the AIDS.

00:18:08.000 Like, this is ridiculous.

00:18:09.000 It's out.

00:18:10.000 However, There's the other worldview, a legal view of what's written is the law.

00:18:15.000 The judge should not interpret it, and they should just basically go exactly by what it says.

00:18:20.000 Let me say one point.

00:18:21.000 This happened when Roe v. Wade was overturned in Arizona.

00:18:24.000 When Roe v. Wade was overturned nationwide, there had been this law from Arizona, like 1879 or something, that said abortion is illegal.

00:18:31.000 And they're like, what do we do?

00:18:33.000 Because now that law is on the books.

00:18:34.000 Roe v. Wade is no longer overturning it, and they just pretended it wasn't there.

00:18:38.000 It is in New York City.

00:18:42.000 It is law that you can wear any clothing you want to work and go by any name you want.

00:18:47.000 And as any individual subject to any public accommodation, you must be accommodated equally as to any other person.

00:18:54.000 Which means, and I called a human rights attorney and asked him this if I went to Harlem dressed like a Southern plantation owner, and when they asked me my name, I said it was Massa, are they legally required to say that name as they say everyone's name when their drink is ready?

00:19:08.000 And he said no.

00:19:10.000 And I said, well, hold on.

00:19:11.000 New York City's human rights law.

00:19:13.000 Specifically states they must be equal.

00:19:17.000 And Massa is an Iberian name.

00:19:18.000 It's Spain and Mediterranean.

00:19:19.000 It's a common name.

00:19:20.000 If they're offended by my culture, why could they deny that?

00:19:23.000 And he said, because it will be viewed as culturally insensitive and they don't have to do it.

00:19:28.000 And then I said, and if I sued, he said, the judge would laugh you out of the courtroom.

00:19:31.000 That's how real life works.

00:19:33.000 But Tim, you're talking to two anarchists, and I'm agreeing with you.

00:19:36.000 There's no such thing as objective law.

00:19:37.000 And my point is, what you are describing is that the left lies and cheats for power, and we are just subject to it.

00:19:43.000 Yes, that's what government is.

00:19:45.000 Which is why John Roberts should say no birthright citizenship.

00:19:48.000 Have an I stay.

00:19:49.000 I, fine.

00:19:50.000 But my point is it's a slippery, and I'm not saying it's wrong.

00:19:54.000 I don't want birthright citizenship.

00:19:55.000 But when you have this idea that the president, whoever he is, is going to unilaterally decide things which affect millions of people through executive order.

00:20:03.000 Wait until the next Democratic president.

00:20:05.000 You mean when they did and already did that with DACA?

00:20:08.000 And then we sat back and did nothing.

00:20:09.000 So every time a Republican gets in.

00:20:11.000 Who's we?

00:20:11.000 Who is we?

00:20:12.000 The American people.

00:20:13.000 The American people.

00:20:14.000 So the Democrat gets in and bangs a gavel by decree.

00:20:17.000 And we go, okay.

00:20:18.000 But when the Republican gets in, we'll do nothing.

00:20:20.000 You yourself just said that you're in favor of DACA.

00:20:22.000 You said if they're here for 30 years, you shouldn't get rid of them.

00:20:24.000 That's not DACA.

00:20:25.000 DACA is if you're.

00:20:27.000 What's it stand for?

00:20:28.000 There were six year olds who have been here for 13 years.

00:20:31.000 Fine.

00:20:31.000 They should go.

00:20:33.000 You're just arguing over the number.

00:20:34.000 But you're exceeding their point.

00:20:36.000 And I don't think that point is wrong.

00:20:38.000 The issue is, as human beings, we try to find how to navigate forward when we change the system.

00:20:43.000 DACA is not born here.

00:20:44.000 I said, if someone was born here by illegal immigrants, anchor babies, and they've been here for 30 years, it makes no sense.

00:20:50.000 If you were brought here as a child and you've been here for 20 years, knowing full well that it would be 13 years or whatever, that Obama signed an executive order granting you some kind of temporary status, I'm sorry.

00:21:01.000 It's time for you to go home.

00:21:02.000 I think it's a very odd line to draw between you were born here and you came here when you were four.

00:21:07.000 It's pretty simple.

00:21:07.000 No, it's not.

00:21:08.000 Okay.

00:21:08.000 I'm not saying it's not simple.

00:21:09.000 I'm just saying.

00:21:10.000 And more to the point, the issue is navigating a solution means you will have imperfect outcomes.

00:21:16.000 But we're trying to find which makes the most sense.

00:21:18.000 It's not a zero sum game.

00:21:19.000 We will not be, it's not physically possible to round up everybody who was born here as an anchor baby.

00:21:24.000 So we say that's going to be impossible.

00:21:26.000 What is possible is denaturalizing some people who are probably under the age of one and DACA is rescinded.

00:21:33.000 That's easy.

00:21:34.000 We can just say that.

00:21:35.000 I don't think it's as easy as you think it is, specifically for the reason is there's an enormous Infrastructure in this country through NGOs and other agencies.

00:21:43.000 Well, that's a different argument.

00:21:44.000 But what you're saying is just because something is conceptually simple.

00:21:47.000 If the Supreme Court says this is how we're interpreting this, then we start to navigate NGOs.

00:21:53.000 It's not all at the same time.

00:21:54.000 But the point is, just because something might be conceptually simple does not at all mean it's going to be simple to put into practice.

00:22:01.000 Okay.

00:22:01.000 Agreed.

00:22:02.000 And so the simplest solution would not be you were born as an anchor baby 30 years ago.

00:22:06.000 We're going to find everybody who was.

00:22:08.000 That would be extremely.

00:22:10.000 That's bureaucratically impossible to do.

00:22:12.000 We can say all the Chinese birth tourism kids void, and we can do that fairly easily.

00:22:18.000 I don't think we can do that fairly easily.

00:22:20.000 Well, fairly easily, it's a relative statement.

00:22:22.000 I'm saying it would be substantially easier than finding a 30 year old guy born here and being like, We're taking your citizenship.

00:22:27.000 Sure, but I think and we have to.

00:22:29.000 We can't allow Chinese nationals alleged to the Communist Party to hold office in the United States.

00:22:33.000 I agree with you.

00:22:34.000 I agree that there should be no birth rate citizenship.

00:22:37.000 My point is the firmer the path there, the more it's going to stick.

00:22:41.000 And I think this is a very tenuous path to abolishing it.

00:22:44.000 And I don't think the justices at all seem inclined to go for this.

00:22:48.000 Yeah, because again, the argument from it does look like Kavanaugh is sympathetic to Trump, Thomas and Alito, of course, Roberts is on the fence, and Amy Coney Barrett seems to be leaning away.

00:22:59.000 So it looks like it might be.

00:22:59.000 I think it's going to be 6 3 or 7 2.

00:23:01.000 It's likely 6 3.

00:23:02.000 And I think the important thing is, I think people on the right often are like, if we don't get it this way, like it's a wrap, throw their hands in the air.

00:23:11.000 If you look at Democrats, whatever issue they had, including the ERA, they fight for it for decades.

00:23:17.000 They're like, let's try this route.

00:23:17.000 They never give up.

00:23:18.000 Let's try this route.

00:23:19.000 Let's try this route.

00:23:20.000 So, I would tell people who are opposed to birthright citizenship, as I am, if this goes down, as it almost certainly will, don't say, like, well, America's done.

00:23:28.000 It's a wrap.

00:23:29.000 There are other mechanisms, there are things you can do to restrict the capacity of people to become citizens.

00:23:35.000 There's two large problems.

00:23:37.000 One, women.

00:23:38.000 Well, don't we know it?

00:23:40.000 As they vote, and they vote for these things, but all joking aside, as we've already stated, Barack Obama gets in and by decree says, These people have permanent status.

00:23:49.000 By decree, no, no, let's clarify that.

00:23:51.000 By decree, he says, I'm not going to force the law.

00:23:53.000 He literally, and all the lefty newspapers said, well, it's something called prosecutorial discretion.

00:23:59.000 Indeed.

00:24:00.000 Sometimes just not.

00:24:00.000 And then when Trump said we'll rescind it, this court said you can't.

00:24:03.000 Right.

00:24:04.000 So, the issue we have is that Democrats rule by decree every time they get in, and Republicans are constrained and must sit back.

00:24:12.000 It's not just Democrats, it's that our judicial system is heavily in favor of the Democratic perspective.

00:24:17.000 Right.

00:24:17.000 So, however you want to frame this problem, this problem exists.

00:24:19.000 Yes.

00:24:20.000 The second problem is that now that the Supreme Court is offered up this, conservatives are the people who say, I know that this is destroying my home, my way of life, and the gifts that I will leave my children.

00:24:36.000 But it's the right thing to do.

00:24:37.000 And Democrats are like, thank you for bending the knee and dying for me.

00:24:40.000 Well, like if I had a bunch of cattle walk onto my property, I'd want to be like, I need to get these cattle off my property.

00:24:47.000 That doesn't mean at any means necessarily.

00:24:49.000 When you want free cattle?

00:24:49.000 If I just.

00:24:51.000 What's that?

00:24:51.000 When you want free cattle?

00:24:52.000 What if I just slaughtered all the cattle?

00:24:54.000 That would be like, bro, that's probably illegal, firstly, because they're not yours, even though they're on your property.

00:24:59.000 This is old law, bro.

00:25:01.000 You can't kill just cows on your property.

00:25:04.000 This is one of the most common problems.

00:25:06.000 This is America.

00:25:07.000 One of the most common problems that Americans have faced is cattle going on someone else's property.

00:25:11.000 So there's ways.

00:25:11.000 Oh, yeah, it belongs to somebody.

00:25:13.000 Okay, I think they're wild.

00:25:14.000 There's ways to remove the wild cattle.

00:25:18.000 The problem on your property being non citizens.

00:25:20.000 There's ways to get rid of them that don't imply you can't just assert everything all at once.

00:25:24.000 Yeah, or you can't necessarily evict every seven month old that was.

00:25:29.000 So I don't.

00:25:29.000 I got to tell you, as someone who wasn't born in this country, sorry to interrupt you.

00:25:32.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:25:33.000 Really?

00:25:33.000 Go ahead.

00:25:34.000 Out.

00:25:35.000 Look who's talking.

00:25:37.000 I think legal immigration is probably a bigger problem than illegal immigration.

00:25:41.000 Why?

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 Because for myriad reasons.

00:25:44.000 Because, first of all, there's a universal, and I'm saying this as a legal immigrant, there's a universal belief that legal immigration is sacrosanct, that this is something we need more of, that if someone's an illegal immigrant, they're beyond the pale in terms of criticism.

00:25:56.000 It's crazy.

00:25:57.000 No, immigration is a hose valve that you open and close to turn on the situation.

00:26:01.000 America's overloaded with immigrants at the moment.

00:26:03.000 We don't need more.

00:26:04.000 And I don't vote.

00:26:05.000 We got robots coming up, too.

00:26:06.000 So there's going to be another underclass of workers that are robots.

00:26:08.000 They're not going to be an underclass.

00:26:09.000 They're just going to be machines.

00:26:10.000 They're going to be overloaded.

00:26:11.000 They won't even be a class.

00:26:12.000 They'll just be augmented.

00:26:13.000 Workforce.

00:26:14.000 Well, I mean, that's like calling cars underclass, right?

00:26:15.000 Like, I mean, cars replaced animals as transportation.

00:26:20.000 They're not an underclass.

00:26:21.000 They're just machines.

00:26:22.000 As an anarchist, I just need to stress we must assert our authority, our power over the world that we want and not let other people do so.

00:26:32.000 Okay, that's true.

00:26:33.000 But I'm saying I think I have much less power than the Supreme Court does.

00:26:36.000 So you think that Congress has to address this?

00:26:38.000 I think that is what the founding fathers would have done.

00:26:40.000 Okay, but hold on.

00:26:41.000 Again, to clarify, what you're saying is Congress should repeal the 14th Amendment.

00:26:44.000 We're going to repeal and change however that works.

00:26:46.000 They can amend it.

00:26:47.000 To repeat it, but clarify it.

00:26:47.000 They don't have.

00:26:49.000 So, here's how you do it.

00:26:50.000 I'm all seriousness.

00:26:51.000 They can clarify it and have the Supreme Court validate that clarification.

00:26:55.000 That's how I would like it.

00:26:58.000 I think that this argument is the structure of our government is conducive to its own destruction.

00:27:08.000 Yes.

00:27:09.000 That's the problem with the First Amendment, too.

00:27:12.000 It should apply to source code.

00:27:13.000 Like, you want to talk about free speech on the internet?

00:27:15.000 These machines are talking to each other with code.

00:27:17.000 Like, it's a whole other rabbit hole.

00:27:20.000 Can I say one more thing?

00:27:21.000 I think you'd agree with me.

00:27:22.000 Is it about source code?

00:27:23.000 Okay, thank God.

00:27:23.000 No, I don't.

00:27:24.000 I'm a bit of a boomer that I don't know that.

00:27:26.000 No.

00:27:27.000 I think it's easy.

00:27:30.000 Illegal immigration is a huge problem, especially the numbers we saw during the Biden administration.

00:27:34.000 But there's plenty of American citizens who are also a huge problem.

00:27:37.000 We've got to go.

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:38.000 That point is, even if you banished every illegal immigrant tomorrow, the idea that America is somehow going to be saved, I think, is inaccurate.

00:27:44.000 No, but actually, if the children of immigrants did not vote, Republicans would win every election.

00:27:50.000 So, what if.

00:27:51.000 It's true.

00:27:52.000 All right.

00:27:52.000 In order to be.

00:27:53.000 President McCain, we got it.

00:27:54.000 What if, in order to be a citizen, one of your parents has to be a citizen?

00:27:59.000 End of story.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 So, the lie that we see in the corporate press, they said.

00:28:03.000 Trump put out a statement saying we're the only country stupid enough to do this.

00:28:06.000 And then CNN, the New York Times, they're like, not true.

00:28:09.000 30 countries do, which is a lie.

00:28:11.000 We are the only country.

00:28:13.000 There are a lot of countries that claim a birthright citizenship, but it all has a prerequisite to some form of allegiance.

00:28:19.000 Like they have these stipulations.

00:28:21.000 You legally live here or one of your parents is a citizen.

00:28:24.000 I don't like that argument either because they're two types of countries.

00:28:26.000 America are assholes.

00:28:27.000 And just because we're the only ones who do it doesn't mean it's wrong.

00:28:29.000 Like we're the only ones who do it, it could be that we're right.

00:28:32.000 So you're saying it's good.

00:28:33.000 No, I'm just saying that's not a good argument against this.

00:28:36.000 My argument is this we are beset on all sides by power structures that are intent on destroying us.

00:28:40.000 That's true.

00:28:41.000 And they exploit every opportunity.

00:28:43.000 And while they're setting fires, we're reviewing the contract.

00:28:47.000 Yeah, it does feel like it's an emergency, but it shouldn't always be treated like that's what you're saying about executive orders because they'll say, hey, we have to do this now.

00:28:56.000 It's been building up for 25 years.

00:28:57.000 We have to act.

00:28:58.000 More than 25.

00:28:59.000 But we don't have to act now.

00:28:59.000 More than 25.

00:29:01.000 We just have to act.

00:29:02.000 And it has to be done right.

00:29:03.000 This is not something that's going to be solved overnight.

00:29:06.000 There has to be a long term systemic approach to this.

00:29:08.000 Why have they not?

00:29:08.000 Yeah.

00:29:09.000 Like, maybe if there was a kid, you have to, one of your parents has to be a citizen.

00:29:13.000 Like, how complicated?

00:29:14.000 It's not simple because you have a whole organization in this country for decades designed to keep that from happening.

00:29:14.000 That's so simple.

00:29:19.000 Yeah.

00:29:19.000 Maybe, but hold on.

00:29:20.000 That's what you're up against.

00:29:20.000 Here's an idea.

00:29:21.000 That's what you have to realize.

00:29:22.000 Maybe Trump can form like a specific law enforcement with focus on people who are improperly naturalized that could go seek these people out.

00:29:31.000 And we could call it something like the Supplemental Squadron.

00:29:34.000 Like, nice.

00:29:35.000 We call it nice.

00:29:36.000 We call them the Supplemental Squadron.

00:29:38.000 They know SS.

00:29:39.000 And then you'd put SS.

00:29:40.000 On their lapels.

00:29:43.000 I think people on the right underestimate how culturally left wing America often is.

00:29:47.000 Oh, yes, completely.

00:29:48.000 Oh, my God.

00:29:49.000 I was on Fox saying this that people are in favor of deporting illegal immigrants, but not through force.

00:29:54.000 They can have these contradictory ideas in their head at the same time with a straight face.

00:29:58.000 No, no, no.

00:29:59.000 But this was my argument two years ago during the election cycle.

00:30:02.000 I said if Donald Trump is to have his mass deportations, it must be done by men wearing polo shirts and khakis.

00:30:08.000 Right, yeah.

00:30:09.000 I'm not even joking.

00:30:09.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:30:10.000 You're speaking to my point, exactly.

00:30:12.000 The American people do.

00:30:13.000 I said, we cannot have soldiers and men invest with guns loading people into vans and dragging them off.

00:30:19.000 No one will tolerate that.

00:30:20.000 And guess what?

00:30:22.000 This is what happened.

00:30:22.000 That's exactly right.

00:30:23.000 Trump's approval dropped on this.

00:30:25.000 The Republicans said, we have to back off mass deportation.

00:30:27.000 We're hurting in the Hispanic voter bloc.

00:30:29.000 And also, whites.

00:30:32.000 Because white women do not like seeing these images.

00:30:34.000 No, no way.

00:30:34.000 That's Karen.

00:30:35.000 And we knew.

00:30:36.000 What did we say every night this came up?

00:30:38.000 We said they are going to make videos of Donald Trump.

00:30:40.000 They're going to say he's Hitler.

00:30:41.000 They're going to say he's the SS and they're loading people into trains.

00:30:44.000 And it's exactly what they've been doing.

00:30:45.000 Everyone saw it coming from space.

00:30:47.000 From space.

00:30:48.000 We were talking about it during the Iowa caucus.

00:30:48.000 You could see it from space.

00:30:50.000 If you want to check it, it was the first time it came up in public discourse.

00:30:53.000 Like with us, I'm the first one to fucking bring that up in the world.

00:30:57.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:30:58.000 Sorry.

00:30:59.000 But like, it's first time that Nietzsche didn't see that.

00:31:03.000 Didn't understand the optic thing and they did it anyway.

00:31:05.000 Like, he's in charge.

00:31:06.000 I think their point is they wanted people to be scared so they self deport.

00:31:11.000 I think that's the argument for the suits, the military vision.

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 Because you're going to have to, you're going to, a lot more are going to have to be self deported than physically removed.

00:31:19.000 Yeah.

00:31:20.000 So their argument is if we make it scary, people are going to be like, deuces, I'm out of here.

00:31:23.000 Okay.

00:31:24.000 I understand that argument.

00:31:24.000 You can make that.

00:31:25.000 That's a good, I mean, that's a relative.

00:31:27.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 Let's jump to this story from ABC 7.

00:31:29.000 Illinois Attorney General vows to fight President Trump's executive order on mail in voting.

00:31:36.000 They say that the president signed an executive order.

00:31:38.000 Now, for those that missed this, we talked about it yesterday, it requires DHS to create a list of all U.S. citizens eligible to vote.

00:31:44.000 And then instructs the post office not to send out any mail in ballots to individuals who are not eligible.

00:31:50.000 And that is within his authority.

00:31:52.000 Now they're vowing to fight this and sue him over it, which is where things get really interesting.

00:31:56.000 If this works, this is Trump salvo number one Republicans win everything.

00:32:01.000 I don't think this is going to work.

00:32:02.000 Why not?

00:32:03.000 Because historically, it's the states that decide the correct periods for who gets to vote.

00:32:07.000 That's going to be their argument.

00:32:08.000 And that's the argument.

00:32:09.000 I'm not against him.

00:32:10.000 No, no, no, hold on.

00:32:11.000 Hold on.

00:32:11.000 Yes, but he's not telling the states they can't.

00:32:14.000 He's saying the post office cannot deliver them.

00:32:17.000 Now, that is within federal jurisdiction.

00:32:19.000 But the result, they're going to argue, and I think they're easily going to win, that the consequence is the same.

00:32:24.000 They're not going to win legitimately, but if your argument is the judges in the local government will be corrupt.

00:32:28.000 Well, I mean, if that's the argument, the argument is simply corrupt Democrats will do whatever they want.

00:32:34.000 But here's the argument Trump is making.

00:32:35.000 He will have members of the post office prosecuted if they do.

00:32:39.000 He won't.

00:32:40.000 Well, I agree that he won't actually do anything.

00:32:42.000 Right, exactly.

00:32:43.000 And it goes back to the problem we presented in the previous segment that Republicans just complain.

00:32:47.000 Democrats are lighting things on fire while Republicans review the contract.

00:32:50.000 Even if it tries to get anything, even if they try to do any kind of prosecuting or whatever, there's going to be a judge somewhere that's going to put an injunction on it immediately.

00:33:00.000 Immediately.

00:33:01.000 There's the, what is it, Curtis Yarvin quote that Republicans treat power the way an alcoholic, I'm sorry.

00:33:08.000 Republicans treat power the way a wine snob treats alcohol, and Democrats treat power the way an alcoholic treats alcohol.

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:15.000 And this is why the Democrats are often going to win.

00:33:18.000 Yep.

00:33:19.000 But I don't think, I think, also to your point, I don't think there's the MAGA vision, even though Trump got 51%.

00:33:26.000 Not 100% of those voters are MAGA.

00:33:30.000 Not all those voters are MAGA voters.

00:33:31.000 Right.

00:33:32.000 What does it mean to be MAGA?

00:33:33.000 Trump supporters.

00:33:34.000 I'm sorry.

00:33:35.000 They prefer, they might have preferred Trump to Officer Harris, but they didn't sign on for all this stuff.

00:33:39.000 They're not ideological.

00:33:40.000 DEI Officer Harris.

00:33:41.000 Look at Joe Rogan.

00:33:43.000 So, the point is, he's got a lot less wiggle room than people expect him to enact things.

00:33:49.000 And that's a problem.

00:33:50.000 And this is the problem with the right in general.

00:33:52.000 The left is a cult, and the right is a fragmented network of various.

00:33:56.000 Someone should write a book about that called The New Right.

00:33:59.000 If this were to, his executive order were to go through and the post office could no longer deliver, would the states there be able to sign up a contract with UPS?

00:34:06.000 No.

00:34:07.000 There's no way.

00:34:08.000 There's no federal.

00:34:09.000 Because then you have private people handling ballots, and there's no way that that's going to be allowed.

00:34:14.000 A private company?

00:34:15.000 You're not going to be able to.

00:34:15.000 Yeah.

00:34:16.000 But our voting machines are private, tally the division.

00:34:18.000 But they're under the jurisdiction of the voting officials.

00:34:23.000 Like they don't, those voting, they don't have, they don't have touching it.

00:34:29.000 I also, but I also think like Trump isn't that, these ideas are, make common sense, but they're not popular.

00:34:36.000 That's the problem.

00:34:36.000 No.

00:34:38.000 Because they're mean.

00:34:39.000 Like if we could just get people to be a little mean politically, only politically, mean for like five years.

00:34:39.000 Right.

00:34:49.000 For two presidential terms, mean.

00:34:51.000 And that would win.

00:34:52.000 It's actually simple.

00:34:53.000 The Republicans are not willing to be evil enough.

00:34:56.000 Well, the media makes it.

00:34:57.000 You can't get.

00:34:58.000 Because the world economic order is.

00:34:58.000 Go ahead.

00:35:01.000 If the Republicans were evil.

00:35:02.000 We can use our media to.

00:35:03.000 Can Ian talk?

00:35:03.000 What?

00:35:04.000 Well, I said something, then you addressed me, then Ian started talking.

00:35:06.000 And then I tried countering what you were saying.

00:35:09.000 I said they're not evil enough, and you made a comment.

00:35:09.000 Okay.

00:35:13.000 You were going to make a comment, something that wouldn't accomplish it.

00:35:16.000 I was going to wait for Ian.

00:35:16.000 What was the point?

00:35:17.000 I'll talk up for Ian.

00:35:18.000 Well, I said this, then you responded, but Ian started talking over.

00:35:20.000 That's what I'll defer to you.

00:35:20.000 You.

00:35:21.000 Let's go.

00:35:22.000 I will defer to Ian.

00:35:23.000 Okay, so I will say it again.

00:35:24.000 The Republicans are not evil enough to solve these problems.

00:35:27.000 And I was saying that the media, the people that are overseeing the transition to the New World Order, they're trying to destroy the United States' Constitution, are making it look evil.

00:35:36.000 They're trying to make it look as evil as possible.

00:35:38.000 And we knew that that would happen.

00:35:38.000 Right.

00:35:39.000 And the Republicans aren't doing anything evil, and that's why they're losing.

00:35:43.000 War is basically, what did Noam Chomsky say?

00:35:47.000 In the arena of violence, the most brutal guy wins.

00:35:49.000 That's right.

00:35:50.000 And that's.

00:35:51.000 The fact of reality.

00:35:52.000 When you look at the international conflict, I look at the Iran war functionally.

00:35:56.000 I look at the interventions functionally.

00:35:58.000 Is it going to benefit the American people?

00:36:00.000 Will there be massive moral damage and collateral damage?

00:36:02.000 Will the end result be net positive?

00:36:04.000 And we tend to see these interventions a net negative.

00:36:06.000 That being said, if Trump wins in Iran, the United States will see a massive economic net positive from control of international energy.

00:36:13.000 If we don't, China does.

00:36:15.000 That's not a moral argument, that is an economic argument.

00:36:19.000 Right now in the United States, Donald Trump has many options to win the culture war outright and has not done any of them.

00:36:28.000 He is doing everything above board and procedurally.

00:36:30.000 And by evil, I mean false flags.

00:36:33.000 That's the easiest example, right?

00:36:35.000 If Trump got some intel guys to stage a false flag like Lemnitzer wanted to do with the Cubans, then it wouldn't matter if you're mean.

00:36:42.000 Because the American people would beg for the hammer.

00:36:45.000 I think there's a big asymmetry, and I'm confident you all will agree, between the acceptability in our culture of leftist violence and use of power and right wing violence and use of power.

00:36:56.000 Do you think that that's a phenomenon?

00:36:58.000 I don't completely agree.

00:36:59.000 Do you think that that's a phenomenon because of the fact that the left views violence as a knob and the right views violence as a switch?

00:37:05.000 I think the right, correctly, Is more scared of the pervasiveness of violence in a culture because they know it gets out of control.

00:37:12.000 This is why they're very much for law and order.

00:37:14.000 And I think the left is like, this is one of the tools in our toolbox, and we could always blame it on the right.

00:37:20.000 The right does not use violence at all.

00:37:21.000 There's no switch.

00:37:23.000 This is a left framing.

00:37:24.000 The left framing is that when a wackaloon guy claims he's a Christian and murders people, he represents all Republicans and all conservatives.

00:37:30.000 Historically, there has been right wing violence, so I disagree with that.

00:37:35.000 My point is when we say the left is violent, we're referring to a general acceptance of the diversity of tactics among all liberals.

00:37:40.000 And when you say the right has violence, you're referring only to the fringe crazies that no one agrees with.

00:37:44.000 That's right.

00:37:46.000 So again, a guy who claims to be a Christian who goes and murders a bunch of people does not represent anyone on the right, and the right rejects it.

00:37:52.000 On the left, Antifa throws a mouth at a cop, and the left goes, well, we respect their tactics.

00:37:57.000 It's a legit literal quote.

00:38:00.000 Right.

00:38:00.000 Respect the diversity of tactics.

00:38:02.000 And this is a problem.

00:38:04.000 It's asymmetrical warfare.

00:38:05.000 The underdog, they're viewed as the underdog because they're fighting against the system.

00:38:08.000 No, no, no, no.

00:38:09.000 I think why I disagree with you when you said we tolerate left and not the right.

00:38:13.000 The tolerance is not due to a perception of the violence, it's due to a fear of the violence.

00:38:18.000 People don't speak up against the left because they'll lose their jobs.

00:38:22.000 During the censorship era, if you were at work, like the guy at Netflix who said, here's a list of racial slurs not to say, they fired him.

00:38:29.000 This censorship period, which we see now at the NBA with this crazy story, if you at work said, F Donald Trump, you're fine.

00:38:36.000 If you said, F LGBTQIA, you're fired.

00:38:40.000 The tolerance for these threats is not because people accept their causes, it's because they're terrified of the violence.

00:38:46.000 If you speak out against the far left, they will beat you to death.

00:38:49.000 If you speak out against, I called, I referred to this as, there's Pascal's wager, and I made a joke about it, calling it Pasobic's wager or something like that, where I said, so are you familiar with Pascal's wager?

00:39:03.000 Of course, yes.

00:39:03.000 That's Scott Adams did it.

00:39:05.000 Pascal's wager?

00:39:06.000 Scott Adams did it before he died, yeah.

00:39:08.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:39:09.000 Which doesn't work.

00:39:10.000 But anyway, we spoke to Christians on the show, and they're like, no, he's going to go to hell.

00:39:14.000 He's going to be without God's love.

00:39:15.000 But anyway, the point is, I think I referred to this as Pasobic's wager.

00:39:18.000 We can call it Adams's wager.

00:39:19.000 It goes like this.

00:39:20.000 If you are left wing and the right wins, you are fine.

00:39:26.000 If you are left wing and the left wins, you are fine.

00:39:30.000 If you are right wing and the right wins, you are fine.

00:39:35.000 If you are right wing and the left wing wins, you will die.

00:39:38.000 Which means in this quadrant, normies will always avoid being right wing because the safest bet will always be just left.

00:39:45.000 The average man does not want to be free, simply wants to be safe, as Megan said.

00:39:49.000 I disagree slightly because I do think a lot of people.

00:39:52.000 We were in favor of the BLM riots and not simply because of fear.

00:39:56.000 They thought it was coming from a good place.

00:39:57.000 Yes.

00:39:58.000 Yeah, that's the leftism in this country.

00:40:00.000 I think it comes from our revolution against the king because that was the rightists, was the monarchy.

00:40:04.000 And so we had kind of a leftist revolution.

00:40:06.000 And then Thomas Jefferson saying, like, you know, the tree of liberty must be watered down.

00:40:11.000 She regretted saying.

00:40:11.000 And so he wrote, I should not have said that.

00:40:13.000 It was sort of a leftist thing to say, like, we need to be willing to.

00:40:17.000 And then he wrote saying that was wrong.

00:40:19.000 And there's a lot of sentiment now in the United States, like, yeah, overthrow tyranny.

00:40:23.000 We want to be the underground.

00:40:23.000 But again, I got to stress this.

00:40:25.000 The left did not support the BLM riots, they did not know they happened.

00:40:29.000 Michael Tracy did a great report on this.

00:40:31.000 That's fair.

00:40:32.000 Highlighting all the small towns where there was massive violence, and leftists don't know it happened.

00:40:36.000 Ferguson, these other places, there's a lot of belief, I think, in independent and left wing circles that there must be mitigating factors.

00:40:43.000 No, You don't think that's their view?

00:40:45.000 If you go to the average left liberal, they couldn't tell you what happened in Ferguson.

00:40:49.000 There was an article written in defense of looting.

00:40:52.000 Okay.

00:40:52.000 And the perception among liberals was that black people in Ferguson rose up against the oppressive police, busted up all the stores, and took back property owned by foreigners.

00:41:03.000 The real story, as I was on the ground, is that the local black people were begging the police for help to stop.

00:41:10.000 Outsiders from looting their businesses.

00:41:12.000 The left did not know what actually happened.

00:41:15.000 They did not defend what happened.

00:41:16.000 They supported this idea that didn't exist.

00:41:20.000 Sure, but my point is that's my point.

00:41:21.000 They are supporting this idea of broadly speaking, blocking violence.

00:41:25.000 So the clarification is when you say there's tolerance for looting violence, my disagreement is the left is wholly ignorant of the violence that is done in their names.

00:41:32.000 Sure, okay.

00:41:33.000 And the people who are aware fear retribution by those who wield the violence.

00:41:38.000 I think there's people who are aware who don't fear the retribution or in favor of it.

00:41:42.000 So, if the argument is there are leftist ideologues that support the violence, of course there are.

00:41:47.000 The average budget I think there's more left wing ideologues who support left wing violence than there are right wing ideologues who would support right wing violence.

00:41:47.000 Sure.

00:41:57.000 That is correct.

00:41:57.000 But I would argue this go to any liberal and ask them about M29, and they'll say, What's that?

00:42:03.000 Ask them about the 150 law enforcement officers that were beaten and attacked during the insurrection at the White House, and they'll say, That never happened.

00:42:10.000 Yeah.

00:42:12.000 They just don't know.

00:42:13.000 And so they'll say the BLM riots may have been violent, but it was for a good cause.

00:42:17.000 You'd be like, like when they mercilessly beat 100 plus cops and set fire to St. John's Church.

00:42:21.000 They'll go, that never happened.

00:42:22.000 Or they'd hand wave it away.

00:42:24.000 That's not what I'm talking about.

00:42:25.000 I don't mean that part.

00:42:26.000 There's like great examples of this with Billboard Chris.

00:42:28.000 There's a viral video where he asks a guy, like, the guy comes up complaining, saying, you're bigots.

00:42:34.000 And he says, we just don't think underage girls, prebabescent girls, should get their breast tissue removed.

00:42:39.000 And the kid goes, that's not happening.

00:42:40.000 And then Billboard Chris takes his phone, plays a video from a children's hospital saying, we do it.

00:42:44.000 And he goes, Yeah, well, the parents are allowed to decide.

00:42:47.000 And he goes, but now you've changed your position.

00:42:48.000 Well, it's Rob Henderson.

00:42:51.000 Which is?

00:42:52.000 It's not happening.

00:42:53.000 Right.

00:42:53.000 Yeah.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, it's not a big deal.

00:42:55.000 It's a good thing, actually, the people complaining about the problem.

00:42:58.000 Those are the four steps.

00:42:59.000 First, it's you're lying, it didn't happen.

00:43:00.000 Right.

00:43:01.000 No, it's not a big deal.

00:43:02.000 If it was happening, who cares?

00:43:03.000 It's not a big deal.

00:43:04.000 Then, sure, but it's very few people anyway.

00:43:05.000 And then, why do you care so much?

00:43:07.000 And, actually, it's a good thing.

00:43:08.000 And then, also, you're the problem.

00:43:10.000 Yeah, you're probably.

00:43:10.000 Yep.

00:43:11.000 You're only bringing this up to promote transphobia or racism.

00:43:14.000 You don't really care.

00:43:15.000 Which is why, you know, what's really funny is there's this.

00:43:18.000 We've mentioned it a little bit because you brought it up this campaign where there's clearly AI bots that are attacking me and a handful of other people.

00:43:26.000 So it's like me, Jack Basobic, Tucker.

00:43:31.000 There is a coordinated effort to sow discontent on the right so that factions can't come together.

00:43:36.000 And the left is just a cult, which is the issue that we have, I suppose.

00:43:43.000 So long as the left is good at this and they are fomenting hatred among right wing factions with each other.

00:43:49.000 They're going to.

00:43:51.000 They've also had a lot more practice.

00:43:53.000 Yep.

00:43:53.000 They've been reading a lot more books.

00:43:55.000 40 years of using the media.

00:43:56.000 And also 40 years of holding Congress in a row.

00:43:59.000 People forget about that.

00:44:00.000 To not hate each other, you know, I try not to use double negatives, but to love each other, it's such a vague thing.

00:44:05.000 But it really is like Tim and Candace sitting down and hanging out and getting over it is the antidote to the whole.

00:44:10.000 I disagree.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, I disagree.

00:44:11.000 Well, the media is fervent.

00:44:13.000 I like people to hate each other.

00:44:15.000 No, I think the issue is, Ian, you need to understand that evil is real.

00:44:19.000 It doesn't mean you can't ally with it.

00:44:20.000 I agree with you that sometimes people can be horrible people, but you still need to ally with them for an ongoing purpose.

00:44:26.000 Of course.

00:44:27.000 No.

00:44:27.000 What do you mean?

00:44:28.000 Just because you say it's a course doesn't mean that it's true.

00:44:30.000 The Soviet Union in the United States defeating the Nazis together.

00:44:36.000 I knew you were going to do that.

00:44:39.000 Is signing your own death warrant.

00:44:39.000 I knew it.

00:44:40.000 Could have had such a better example.

00:44:42.000 It's the main one.

00:44:45.000 No, the main one is you've hired mercenaries that are bloodthirsty for you.

00:44:48.000 Supporting a politician who's a sociopath because he's going to put policies you like.

00:44:48.000 It's the main one.

00:44:51.000 That's an example.

00:44:52.000 That's another one.

00:44:52.000 We could all agree with.

00:44:53.000 Or if Kim Jong un ran for office, but she was like, we're going to end the birthright citizenship day one, you'd be like, or if the Israeli government killed 30,000 children and we ally with them to destroy and take over the Middle East.

00:45:05.000 That's a reasonable alliance, even though what they did is pretty horrific if that's what they did.

00:45:09.000 Who were you referencing?

00:45:10.000 If the Israeli government slaughtered Gazans, like children in Gaza, and we allied with them anyway for our goal, that would be like an example of allying with potentially evil, if you want to call that evil.

00:45:20.000 I feel like that's another bad example.

00:45:22.000 But friendship and alliances are not the same.

00:45:26.000 Allying with the Taliban.

00:45:28.000 Because they were trying to end child rape.

00:45:30.000 So the U.S. fought the Taliban and allied with the child rapists because they wanted to remove the Taliban.

00:45:35.000 Or, like, allies.

00:45:36.000 I would call that a very bad thing.

00:45:37.000 Like, didn't Obama allied with ISIS?

00:45:39.000 He helped even create ISIS?

00:45:41.000 Technically, but not directly.

00:45:42.000 No.

00:45:43.000 Obama created ISIS, yes.

00:45:45.000 Well, I agree.

00:45:47.000 It's just that Obama did not sign a document saying we're going to create ISIS.

00:45:50.000 Obama armed rebel factions, which were radical Islamists.

00:45:54.000 Right, yes, yes.

00:45:54.000 And those powers coalesced into ISIS.

00:45:56.000 If he did not provide the weapons, they would, then arguably, ISIS would never have gained the strength to become as large as they did.

00:46:04.000 ISIS preceded Obama.

00:46:06.000 No, it didn't.

00:46:08.000 The Islamic State.

00:46:08.000 I mean, Wahhabi, Sunni Wahhabi, or whatever.

00:46:12.000 ISIS.

00:46:13.000 Am I being April fooled?

00:46:14.000 No.

00:46:15.000 You're saying ISIS only started after.

00:46:17.000 Oh my God, I'm thinking of Al Qaeda.

00:46:19.000 Sorry, Biden moment.

00:46:20.000 Biden moment.

00:46:21.000 Oh, you're thinking of Al Qaeda.

00:46:21.000 Biden moment.

00:46:23.000 Holy crap.

00:46:23.000 Michael.

00:46:23.000 It was confusing.

00:46:24.000 I thought you meant Al Qaeda.

00:46:25.000 No, no, no.

00:46:26.000 Yep, this is all on me.

00:46:27.000 No, no, you're right.

00:46:27.000 So what happens.

00:46:28.000 You're right.

00:46:29.000 No, no, but I'll just explain to people.

00:46:31.000 Syria falls into chaos and protest.

00:46:33.000 Assad is accused of having his security forces shoot armed protesters.

00:46:33.000 Damn.

00:46:38.000 Right.

00:46:38.000 He calls them terrorists.

00:46:40.000 This creates a bunch of splinter factions.

00:46:42.000 There were around 12, the Free Syrian Army being one of the most prominent.

00:46:45.000 Obama's policy was it was, what was it, Timberwood or whatever?

00:46:50.000 Sycamore?

00:46:51.000 Yes, yeah, yeah, Timber Sycamore, I think it was.

00:46:51.000 Timber Sycamore?

00:46:54.000 To provide weapons to rebel factions in Syria because they will remove Assad.

00:46:58.000 And Assad was in the way of our gas pipeline.

00:47:01.000 Well, the problem is these factions were secular and fairly weak.

00:47:05.000 And the Islamic fundamentalists started to take control of these factions and coalesce them into a single group that wanted just the caliphate.

00:47:12.000 That isn't what Obama was trying to do, arguably.

00:47:15.000 Some would argue he was.

00:47:17.000 And he didn't make ISIS happen.

00:47:20.000 He provided the means by which ISIS became strong and dominant.

00:47:23.000 So people will hyperbolically say he created ISIS.

00:47:26.000 This is also us supporting the Taliban to fight the Soviets.

00:47:29.000 And this is how we know if we arm the Kurds, we're going to be fighting them in 20 years.

00:47:32.000 Or how about the Azov battalion?

00:47:33.000 Yeah, right.

00:47:34.000 It's a risk you take allying with evil.

00:47:36.000 It's not a risk, it's a certainty that whoever we arm, we're going to be fighting in 20 years.

00:47:41.000 It's a certainty.

00:47:42.000 Allying with evil, there's a risk.

00:47:43.000 Because, like, the Soviet Union was super powerful after World War II because we allied with them and won.

00:47:47.000 But arguably, would any of us even win without it?

00:47:49.000 But Ian, I will stress this.

00:47:52.000 But Ian, I will stress this.

00:47:53.000 How many Russians died in World War II?

00:47:53.000 Ian, I will stress this.

00:47:55.000 Indeed.

00:47:55.000 I don't know.

00:47:56.000 But there are degrees of evil, and there is a line.

00:47:59.000 So, if you know that there is a person who is like, the moment I get a chance, I will commit atrocities, then you say, then it's not worth it.

00:48:08.000 Well, if a situation was like your country was being destroyed literally in your last city, and it's like, well, we're all going to die, or we can ally with that crazy guy you just mentioned.

00:48:17.000 They ally with the crazy guy.

00:48:19.000 And that might be better because you might survive.

00:48:21.000 There are certainly circumstances.

00:48:24.000 And anyway, the reason I bring it up is because on the right, I feel like there's a fractured alliance that if we can come back together in reality.

00:48:31.000 Let us try this.

00:48:32.000 The reason why I would say there are certainly circumstances, as the U.S. has its interests in arming various rebel groups which turn on it.

00:48:40.000 However, there also is a line you would never cross, even facing existential crisis or death.

00:48:46.000 That's very Jesus Christ of you.

00:48:47.000 Like what?

00:48:48.000 No, but it's truth.

00:48:51.000 If the United States was like, there's the last bastion, one small town left surrounded by pedophiles.

00:49:00.000 Literally.

00:49:00.000 Sure.

00:49:01.000 And then a communist.

00:49:03.000 Who is holding a child by the head and saying, say Marx is my king.

00:49:07.000 And he goes, never.

00:49:08.000 And he slits his throat.

00:49:09.000 And then the kid dies and he looks at you and says, join me and we'll fight the pedophiles.

00:49:12.000 You'd be like, no.

00:49:16.000 Okay.

00:49:17.000 My point is what are you fighting for?

00:49:20.000 If you would stand alongside someone that literally destroys what you're fighting for, sure.

00:49:20.000 Sure.

00:49:24.000 An easy example is communists are, Chinese communists come to take over America.

00:49:28.000 And American communists say, when I take over, I'll do the exact same thing as them.

00:49:35.000 But at least I'm American, you wouldn't, you'd be like, but you're, no, there's no difference to me.

00:49:40.000 These are two evils, and I'm not going to accept either of them.

00:49:43.000 It's circumstantial.

00:49:44.000 Because if it's like, if we don't ally with the American communists, we're going to die, then you're like, well, no, The American communists are going to kill you too.

00:49:52.000 Is there like a little chance of them?

00:49:54.000 Join me, we'll stop the Chinese communists.

00:49:56.000 I'll kill you afterwards.

00:49:57.000 You'd be like, no, I'm not taming your evil.

00:49:59.000 You're going to kill my people no matter what.

00:50:01.000 Like, there's a line where there's a tremendous evil.

00:50:04.000 If you are fighting, it's like, If you are fighting evil to preserve your way of life and a secondary evil equally as a threat says, join me and we'll kill them and then I'll kill you, you'd be like, no.

00:50:14.000 No, you say yes and then you turn on the other people after the battle.

00:50:18.000 The point is, you're not powerful enough and you need assistance.

00:50:21.000 Like, my point is simply this you would not fight alongside a pedophile to stop a communist.

00:50:28.000 Like, if a guy was actively like, once we win this war, I'm going to go rape a bunch of people, you'd be like, I'm not fighting with you.

00:50:32.000 Are you nuts?

00:50:33.000 The thing is, if somebody was slaughtering civilians, I'd ally with pretty much anybody to stop them.

00:50:37.000 Pedophiles.

00:50:39.000 A bunch of short, chubby, mustachioed pedophiles who are begging for children are like, Ian, if you and I win this battle right now, we stop the communist threat and we get 100 children and we'll leave.

00:50:48.000 You'd be like, okay.

00:50:49.000 I'd be like, yeah.

00:50:49.000 That's what America did.

00:50:50.000 And then we would win the battle.

00:50:51.000 That's what America did to the Taliban.

00:50:52.000 And I think it was evil and wrong.

00:50:56.000 During the 2000s, the longest serving U.S. Speaker of the House in history, Dennis Hastert, was in fact a pedophile.

00:51:06.000 And I'm sure there's lots of people listening to this who knew that who would have preferred him as Speaker of the House over Pelosi, even given that.

00:51:14.000 Sure.

00:51:14.000 I'm not arguing that.

00:51:16.000 My point is, as I said, certainly there are circumstances.

00:51:20.000 I don't agree that's a good wager to make.

00:51:24.000 But I'm saying the U.S. chose to fight alongside pedophiles in Afghanistan to stop the Taliban.

00:51:29.000 And it was a big cover up, and the soldiers were told they could not report it.

00:51:32.000 It was in the New York Times from the page.

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, huge news.

00:51:34.000 In this situation, it's like the liberal economic, the global technocratic machine wants to absorb everything.

00:51:40.000 And if we have to fight against that, if we have to preserve American freedoms, I'm willing to ally with evil Americans to make that happen because there's still America.

00:51:48.000 And they believe in the Constitution.

00:51:50.000 I don't know that the liberal technocratic machine is inherently evil in the first place.

00:51:57.000 Well, the way that he's talking about it, like if he's talking.

00:52:01.000 What do you consider the liberal technocratic machine?

00:52:03.000 Like, get in the pot, eat the bugs, be happy.

00:52:06.000 Everybody's a rental class.

00:52:07.000 If you say fuck online, you get your account demonetized.

00:52:09.000 You're paying attention to it.

00:52:10.000 So you're talking about some kind of a horrorist point.

00:52:12.000 No, no, you're not.

00:52:13.000 The reason we don't swear is not because we get censored.

00:52:15.000 It's because there are families who have their kids in the living room watching the show.

00:52:18.000 No, but we're also talking about horror.

00:52:21.000 But you don't.

00:52:21.000 You can use K.

00:52:22.000 I won't say it.

00:52:23.000 But that is the truth if you say the wrong words, this machine can turn you off and take your bank away.

00:52:28.000 That's what we're fighting against.

00:52:29.000 Not if you have the Rumble wallet at wallet.rumble.com.

00:52:33.000 I think the reason I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around your hypotheses is because I don't think the pedophiles are localized to one group.

00:52:41.000 So I think no matter who you work with, you're working with the pedophiles.

00:52:45.000 Sure, but my point was take the most extreme evil you can think of, and you'll be like, I would never work with those people.

00:52:50.000 I also think evil tends to be not efficacious, elaborate.

00:52:56.000 Meaning that the more evil you are, the harder it is to implement your plans because evil is that which at variance is.

00:53:01.000 I disagree.

00:53:02.000 I think the more evil you are, the easier it is to implement your plans.

00:53:04.000 Okay.

00:53:05.000 Well, I guess cheating is the cheating absolutely good is hard.

00:53:08.000 No, good is God.

00:53:10.000 That's why it's also easy, bro.

00:53:12.000 No, being good is God, and that's the challenge he bestows upon you.

00:53:17.000 The challenge is do you take the easy path towards comfort and success, or do you push the boulder up the hill and suffer for what is right, bro?

00:53:25.000 Being evil is the easiest way to go about this.

00:53:27.000 I don't think it's easy.

00:53:28.000 Let's let's talk like as I was talking about with Trump Trump wants to deal with Antifa, right?

00:53:32.000 Okay, you get it, you get a U.S. Intel asset.

00:53:36.000 Drug him up, dress him up like Antifa, and blow him up in a town square.

00:53:40.000 Then you put on a manifesto and say, Antifa is threatening more tax.

00:53:43.000 We won't allow it.

00:53:44.000 And then you start rounding up Antifa, problem solved.

00:53:47.000 I don't know that the sacrifice of one soldier in the face of a bigger war is something as evil as you're making it out to be.

00:53:54.000 Oh, you don't think that would be evil?

00:53:57.000 I would consider that evil.

00:53:58.000 For example, let's suppose one country is about to go to war with another country, which would guarantee thousands of innocent civilians, not to mention military, are going to die.

00:54:06.000 And you have the opportunity to Kill their leader and preempt it.

00:54:09.000 I don't think that's evil.

00:54:10.000 Well, you're just, but that's totally different.

00:54:13.000 It's not totally different.

00:54:13.000 It's one murder.

00:54:14.000 I'm talking about deceiving the people into rounding up a political ideology you don't like because a faction of them are over.

00:54:21.000 I don't think deceit is necessarily evil.

00:54:24.000 Well, agreed.

00:54:25.000 My point, but do you not, you think false flags are not evil?

00:54:29.000 I think you have to compare things to the alternative.

00:54:31.000 I'd rather have melanoma than pancreatic, right?

00:54:33.000 Well, but right, but that's not true.

00:54:35.000 Is that true?

00:54:36.000 So I think I would rather have a false flag that preempts a war than a war.

00:54:39.000 So your point is some.

00:54:40.000 You'd rather have less evil than more evil, but evil on the less.

00:54:43.000 Sure.

00:54:44.000 Because cancer is cancer, but some cancers are worse.

00:54:46.000 My argument is being evil is easier.

00:54:46.000 Correct.

00:54:49.000 I don't think being less evil is evil.

00:54:52.000 I think being less evil is good.

00:54:54.000 It's good to choose the less over the worse.

00:54:56.000 So if Donald Trump wanted to deal with, if he wanted to secure voting, for instance, for the midterms, the easiest thing he could do is have some Antifa guy blow himself up at a ballot box.

00:55:08.000 I don't think that's easy at all.

00:55:11.000 What do you mean?

00:55:11.000 Because I don't think the reaction would play out necessarily like you do, because I think a lot of times whatever happens, it's going to blow up in his face.

00:55:18.000 I mean, that's a maybe, except the history of false flags, so they tend to work.

00:55:22.000 Sure, but how often do you have a Donald Trump figure try to run a false flag?

00:55:26.000 During 2020, hold on, remember this.

00:55:29.000 During 2020, when Antifa was going to burn down that federal building, was that Seattle or Portland, whichever it was, they brought the attorney general in front of Congress to explain how dare you defend federal property from being burnt down.

00:55:40.000 Yeah.

00:55:41.000 So the point is, whatever Trump tries to poll, it's going to be looked at eight ways from Sunday.

00:55:45.000 If on May 29th.

00:55:47.000 What?

00:55:47.000 Is that a specific date for Sunday?

00:55:49.000 That's when the left ransacked the.

00:55:50.000 Tore the barriers out at the White House, firebombed St. John's Church.

00:55:50.000 Okay.

00:55:53.000 Which you never hear about.

00:55:54.000 Memory hold.

00:55:55.000 Because Trump isn't evil.

00:55:57.000 Because what an evil person would do is say, Tell me, so the president is evil, and they brief him and they say, Sir, you have to go to the bunker, emergency bunker.

00:56:05.000 He goes, Why?

00:56:06.000 What's happening?

00:56:06.000 They say there's thousands of protesters outside.

00:56:08.000 They're starting fires.

00:56:09.000 And then he says, Brief me.

00:56:11.000 Well, they've just set fire to the historic St. John's Church.

00:56:11.000 What have they done?

00:56:14.000 It's where the presidents pray.

00:56:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:16.000 Okay, well, Trump says, We got to stop it.

00:56:19.000 Right.

00:56:19.000 Bill Barr says, We got to stop it.

00:56:21.000 They do.

00:56:22.000 That's the right thing to do.

00:56:23.000 I agree with you.

00:56:23.000 Correct.

00:56:24.000 However, an evil man would say, No, let it burn.

00:56:27.000 Let the American icon burn to the ground.

00:56:30.000 Because then in the morning, I will issue a statement that the far left extremists have destroyed.

00:56:30.000 You know why?

00:56:35.000 A monument to America, and we will announce a crackdown.

00:56:38.000 And then Donald Trump could have come out after the far leftists tore the barricades down in front of the White House.

00:56:44.000 He could have ordered the police to stand down and back off.

00:56:47.000 The leftists would have broken into the White House, started rampaging and ransacking everything.

00:56:51.000 And he could have said, Everyone stand down.

00:56:53.000 And then in the morning, you know what he does?

00:56:55.000 He goes on TV and says, America, I owe you an apology.

00:57:00.000 When the peaceful protesters say.

00:57:01.000 You don't have a Trump voice?

00:57:02.000 What?

00:57:02.000 You don't have a Trump voice?

00:57:04.000 Come on.

00:57:04.000 I do.

00:57:04.000 Do it.

00:57:05.000 America.

00:57:06.000 See?

00:57:06.000 There you go.

00:57:07.000 I owe you an apology.

00:57:08.000 There you go.

00:57:10.000 Last night, we saw terror, the worst this country has ever seen, some say.

00:57:16.000 And what he would say is when thousands of peaceful protesters came out, we respected the First Amendment and the grief these people felt over the loss of life in Minnesota.

00:57:29.000 But when the extremists joined their ranks, unfortunately, our media reports did not convey the degree of violence that had been undertaken.

00:57:39.000 And for this, I made a grave error.

00:57:42.000 I instructed our law enforcement to stand down as we feared innocent, peaceful protesters could be hurt.

00:57:49.000 Well, it turns out that these individuals were, in fact, violent extremists.

00:57:54.000 They have destroyed the historic St. John's Church and they have laid waste to the White House.

00:57:58.000 And for that, I know you may never forgive me.

00:58:00.000 And for that, I will apologize at every opportunity.

00:58:03.000 But mark my words I will have justice.

00:58:07.000 And the American people will know justice as we seek these violent terrorists down.

00:58:12.000 Across the country and lock them up.

00:58:15.000 And then he creates a task force and a committee, the M29 committee.

00:58:19.000 And then they start holding hearings, bringing in leftists and saying, Did you have something to do with this?

00:58:23.000 They put these people in prison and they all get arrested.

00:58:25.000 I don't know why you say this is evil.

00:58:27.000 This sounds awesome.

00:58:29.000 Because the point is, Trump would intentionally foment the destruction of American icons and monuments for the purpose of installing a political agenda.

00:58:38.000 I don't know that he would, at least in this scenario, he wouldn't foment, he would have allowed it.

00:58:42.000 But also, I would argue that's a light degree of evil.

00:58:45.000 Everybody would be gaslit.

00:58:47.000 Into blaming Trump and say, and or simultaneously saying that nothing ever happened.

00:58:51.000 Well, the White House would be ransacked and St. John Church would be a pile of rubble.

00:58:54.000 And they'll say it's Trump's fault and they didn't impeach him and remove him from office.

00:58:57.000 Nope, nope.

00:58:58.000 You're right, they would.

00:58:59.000 And Trump would say, Well, you know, I apologize for this.

00:59:02.000 I do.

00:59:03.000 We saw the CNN was saying that it was peaceful and we believed it and that was my fault.

00:59:09.000 I should not have believed CNN when they lied.

00:59:11.000 Let me ask you a question because I remember 2020 very vividly and I'm sure the people in this room as well.

00:59:15.000 Do you disagree with my contention that if Trump was didn't go as far as he did on COVID with many of the restrictions, either through his decisions and things he said, that he would have been impeached or removed from office.

00:59:27.000 If he didn't go as far as he did?

00:59:28.000 Correct.

00:59:29.000 If he was softer.

00:59:30.000 I feel like we need a little bit more specific.

00:59:32.000 Meaning, like, I remember those times, right?

00:59:34.000 And how scared everyone was, especially those first few days.

00:59:37.000 And Trump.

00:59:38.000 You're saying if he was like, no lockdowns, we're going to let everything roll.

00:59:41.000 And Trump wanted things to open up as fast as possible.

00:59:43.000 He's talking about all the time.

00:59:44.000 My point was, hold on, I'll just finish my point.

00:59:45.000 I think people don't appreciate to what extent Congress is against this guy, including Republicans.

00:59:51.000 I would love an excuse to remove him from office.

00:59:53.000 And I think people don't appreciate the severe impact Andy knows near death experience had on the American psyche.

01:00:00.000 People don't know who Andy is.

01:00:02.000 CNN was forced to come out and say the left has gone too far.

01:00:05.000 Fine.

01:00:06.000 That was a massive moment.

01:00:07.000 When photos of Andy No.

01:00:08.000 It was a massive moment, though.

01:00:09.000 Indeed, because the right never engages in false flags.

01:00:13.000 Right.

01:00:13.000 So when the left crossed the line and left Andy No bleeding from the ears and drenched with blood and broken teeth, all of the media was like, this is too much.

01:00:23.000 Steve Scalise got shot.

01:00:24.000 No Democrat defended it, to my knowledge.

01:00:26.000 Indeed.

01:00:27.000 And the point is, a week after that, everyone forgot about it.

01:00:29.000 People need to see it.

01:00:30.000 But the thing is.

01:00:31.000 You can't force them to see it because they don't want to show it to you.

01:00:34.000 If.

01:00:35.000 Trump were to engage in a sustained campaign, he would win.

01:00:41.000 I think you're wrong.

01:00:42.000 I think not because the media, it's only if it aligns with what the military industrial complex wants.

01:00:47.000 If they false flagged us into Iran, I can understand it.

01:00:49.000 But it has nothing to do with domestic conquest.

01:00:51.000 They want Antifa to run Rafshad to so disstable ability.

01:00:55.000 So I think they would expose him and throw him away.

01:00:59.000 We have seen numerous instances where the left went too far and we got the reaction from the corporate press in a shocking way.

01:01:06.000 It's just that it only happened two or three times.

01:01:08.000 But my point is, people have been primed for a decade to be told that in any minute now, Trump is going to put trans people in concentration camps.

01:01:08.000 Right.

01:01:15.000 Agreed.

01:01:15.000 So the second there's a hint of that, aha, told you so, and he's going to get removed.

01:01:20.000 Except if you shock the American people into a position where the media cannot gaslight.

01:01:25.000 I don't see that, that is where you and I disagree.

01:01:28.000 I don't think there's a possibility that people get so shocked that media can't gaslight.

01:01:31.000 If Andy No was beaten to death, the reaction would have been tenfold.

01:01:35.000 Ten times one is still going to be a small number.

01:01:37.000 Indeed.

01:01:37.000 It needs to be a consistent plan from Trump.

01:01:40.000 To continually lie and engage in false flags and manipulate the public like the left does.

01:01:45.000 But if Trump was evil, he'd be doing it.

01:01:45.000 Sure.

01:01:47.000 Point is, the left doesn't do it through one person.

01:01:50.000 Trump is just one man.

01:01:51.000 This has been systemic for decades from them.

01:01:53.000 I get it.

01:01:54.000 Trump's only there for four years.

01:01:55.000 But that's not addressing what my argument is.

01:01:57.000 But the point is, Trump does not have the space to do what the left does.

01:01:59.000 Perhaps that may be.

01:02:01.000 If Trump were to do what the left was doing, he'd win.

01:02:04.000 Win what?

01:02:04.000 You mean the culture war?

01:02:05.000 Culture war.

01:02:06.000 Okay.

01:02:07.000 I don't think the culture war could be won in four years.

01:02:09.000 I believe that January 6th was allowed to happen.

01:02:12.000 That we saw videos of police standing down and walking people in the building.

01:02:15.000 Sure.

01:02:15.000 Nancy Pelosi didn't bring in National Guard and neither did Bowser.

01:02:19.000 And I think the point was they said, no, no, let it happen.

01:02:22.000 Sure.

01:02:22.000 Because then they got their committees and their insurrection.

01:02:25.000 Right.

01:02:25.000 Trump could have done the same thing with the White House.

01:02:29.000 I just, I don't think there's a symmetry.

01:02:31.000 Yeah, the liberals, that establishment does false flags, you know, mechanically and industrially.

01:02:36.000 It's not one guy telling a lie.

01:02:39.000 There are people who will tell you right now that dozens of cops were killed on January 6th by that month.

01:02:43.000 Because New York Times lied.

01:02:44.000 I'm just saying, but you're not, we don't live in a truth based, humans aren't truth seeking animals, they're narrative seeking animals.

01:02:51.000 And their narrative for 10 years has been Trump is a Hitler waiting to happen.

01:02:55.000 That's been primed in people's heads.

01:02:56.000 And the second something like that happens, they're activated.

01:02:58.000 More people need to understand exactly what you just said.

01:03:01.000 And I don't even, and I think because of the way that people are, I don't think that they can actually wrap their heads around it.

01:03:07.000 So it might be a moot point to even bring it up.

01:03:09.000 But the fact that, like, the idea that people have that, you know, if you can just actually.

01:03:15.000 Have a discussion with people and you'll change their opinion.

01:03:17.000 No.

01:03:17.000 Show them video.

01:03:18.000 There are people who, Tim, we'll all agree with this.

01:03:21.000 There are many leftists that, if you play them the clip of Trump speaking at Charlottesville, will tell you, Yes, I heard him praising white supremacists.

01:03:30.000 They can play that tape from here until they die.

01:03:32.000 They will not hear it correctly.

01:03:34.000 So I would argue that that video actually is the greatest red pill for the average person.

01:03:41.000 And I hear so many of these stories where they say, I was a lib until I saw that video.

01:03:46.000 But if that video was as red pilling as you say, it would be 100% effective.

01:03:52.000 No, 100%.

01:03:53.000 If people were as massive, really objective, that video.

01:03:55.000 So, for the default libs, as Andrew Breipart called them, it almost is completely effective.

01:04:02.000 Is it your opinion that if you played that video in its entirety to everyone in America, they would all become NAGA?

01:04:10.000 Everyone?

01:04:11.000 So, what percent do you think would change their minds?

01:04:11.000 No, of course not.

01:04:13.000 Of default libs?

01:04:14.000 Yes.

01:04:15.000 I think it's 10.

01:04:15.000 60%?

01:04:16.000 Here we go.

01:04:17.000 That's our disagreement.

01:04:18.000 We got Trump.

01:04:18.000 It's 10.

01:04:19.000 Here we go.

01:04:19.000 Here he comes.

01:04:20.000 Hey.

01:04:21.000 Using a simple impression.

01:04:22.000 Thank you very much.

01:04:23.000 Thank you very much.

01:04:24.000 Mr. T. My fellow Americans, good evening.

01:04:27.000 Let me begin by congratulating the team at NASA.

01:04:31.000 And our brave astronauts on the successful launch of Artemis II.

01:04:36.000 It was quite something.

01:04:38.000 It will be traveling further than any manned rocket has ever flown and will very substantially pass the moon, go around it, and come back home from a distance that has never been done before.

01:04:51.000 It's amazing.

01:04:53.000 They are on the way, and God bless them.

01:04:56.000 These are brave people.

01:04:58.000 We want to God bless those four unbelievable astronauts.

01:05:04.000 As we speak this evening, it's been just one month since the United States military began Operation Epic Fury, targeting the world's number one state sponsor of terror, Iran.

01:05:18.000 In these past four weeks, our armed forces have delivered swift, decisive, overwhelming victories on the battlefield.

01:05:27.000 Victories like few people have ever seen before.

01:05:31.000 Tonight, Iran's Navy is gone, their Air Force is in ruins.

01:05:37.000 Their leaders, most of them, terrorist regime they led, are now dead.

01:05:45.000 Their command and control of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is being decimated as we speak.

01:05:52.000 It's like he's doing a Trumpet.

01:05:54.000 Their ability to launch missiles and drones is dramatically curtailed, and their weapons, factories, and rocket launchers are being blown to pieces.

01:06:03.000 Very few of them left.

01:06:06.000 Never in the history of warfare has an enemy suffered such clear and devastating large scale.

01:06:11.000 Scale losses in a matter of weeks.

01:06:13.000 I don't think that's true.

01:06:14.000 Our enemies are losing, and America, as it has been for five years under my presidency, is winning and now winning bigger than ever before.

01:06:25.000 Before discussing this current situation, I also want to thank our troops for the masterful job they did in taking the country of Venezuela in a matter of minutes.

01:06:37.000 That it was quick, lethal, violent, and respected by everyone all over the world.

01:06:42.000 After rebuilding our military during my first term, we have by far the strongest military anywhere in the world.

01:06:50.000 And now we're working along with Venezuela and are, in a true sense, joint venture partners.

01:06:56.000 We're getting along incredibly well in the production and sale of massive amounts of oil and gas, the second largest reserves on earth after the United States of America.

01:07:09.000 We're now totally independent of the Middle East.

01:07:13.000 And yet, we are there to help.

01:07:15.000 We don't have to be there.

01:07:17.000 We don't need their oil.

01:07:18.000 We don't need anything they have, but we're there to help our allies.

01:07:23.000 Tonight, I want to provide an update on the tremendous progress our warriors have made in Iran and discuss why Operation Epic Fury is necessary for the safety of America and the security of the free world.

01:07:37.000 From the very first day I announced my campaign for president in 2015, I have vowed that I would never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

01:07:49.000 This fanatical regime has been chanting death to America, death to Israel for 47 years.

01:07:57.000 Their proxies were behind the murder of.

01:08:02.000 241 Americans in the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut, the slaughter of hundreds of our service members with roadside bombs.

01:08:10.000 They were involved in the attack on the USS Cole, and they carried out the countless other heinous acts, including the blood, just horrible, bloody atrocities of October 7th in Israel, something that most people have never seen anything like it.

01:08:30.000 This murderous regime also recently killed 45,000 of their own people.

01:08:36.000 Who were protesting in Iran, 45,000 dead.

01:08:40.000 For these terrorists to have nuclear weapons would be an intolerable threat.

01:08:46.000 The most violent and thuggish regime on earth would be free to carry out their campaigns of terror, coercion, conquest, and mass murder from behind a nuclear shield.

01:08:57.000 I will never let that happen, and neither should any of our past presidents.

01:09:04.000 This situation has been going on for 47 years.

01:09:08.000 Should have been handled long before I arrived in office.

01:09:12.000 I did many things during my two terms in office to stop the quest for nuclear weapons by Iran first.

01:09:20.000 And perhaps most importantly, I killed General Qasem Soleimani in my first term.

01:09:28.000 He was an evil genius, a brilliant person, a horrible human being, however, the father of the roadside bomb.

01:09:37.000 And he lived just horrible what he did.

01:09:40.000 Iran would have been.

01:09:42.000 Perhaps in far better, stronger position.

01:09:45.000 Had he lived, we would have had probably a different conversation tonight.

01:09:50.000 We'd still be winning and winning big.

01:09:50.000 But you know what?

01:09:53.000 And then, very importantly, I terminated Barack Hussein Obama's Iran nuclear deal, a disaster.

01:09:59.000 Obama gave them $1.7 billion in cash, green, green cash.

01:10:05.000 Took it out of banks from Virginia, D.C., and Maryland, all the cash they had.

01:10:12.000 He flew it by airplanes in an attempt to buy their respect and loyalty, but it didn't work.

01:10:18.000 They laughed at our president and went on with their mission to have a nuclear bomb.

01:10:23.000 His Iran deal would have led to a colossal arsenal of massive nuclear weapons for Iran.

01:10:29.000 They would have had them years ago and they would have used them.

01:10:33.000 It would have been a different world.

01:10:35.000 There would have been no Middle East and no Israel right now, in my opinion, the opinion of a lot of great experts, had I not terminated that terrible deal.

01:10:44.000 And I was so honored to do it.

01:10:46.000 I was so proud to do it.

01:10:47.000 It was so bad right from the beginning.

01:10:49.000 Essentially, I did what no other president was willing to do.

01:10:53.000 They made mistakes, and I am correcting them.

01:10:57.000 My first preference was always the path of diplomacy, yet, the regime continued their relentless quest for nuclear weapons and rejected every attempt at an agreement.

01:11:09.000 For this reason, in June, I ordered a strike on Iran's key nuclear facilities in Operation Midnight Hammer.

01:11:17.000 Nobody's ever seen anything like it.

01:11:20.000 Those beautiful B 2 bombers performed magnificently.

01:11:25.000 We totally obliterated those nuclear sites.

01:11:28.000 The regime then sought to rebuild their nuclear program at a totally different location, making clear they had no intention of abandoning their pursuit of nuclear weapons.

01:11:39.000 They were also rapidly building a vast stockpile of conventional ballistic missiles and would soon have had missiles that could reach the American homeland, Europe, and virtually any other place on earth.

01:11:53.000 Iran's strategy was so obvious.

01:11:56.000 They wanted to produce as many missiles as possible, and they did.

01:12:01.000 With the longest range possible, and they had some weapons that nobody believed they had.

01:12:06.000 We just learned that out.

01:12:08.000 We took them out, we took them all out so that no one would really dare stop them.

01:12:13.000 And their race for a nuclear bomb, a nuclear weapon, a nuclear weapon like nobody's ever seen before, they were right at the doorstep.

01:12:22.000 For years, everyone has said that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, but in the end, those are just words if you're not willing to take action when the time comes.

01:12:33.000 As I stated in my announcement of Operation Epic Fury, our objectives are very simple and clear.

01:12:41.000 We are systematically dismantling the regime's ability to threaten America or project power outside of their borders.

01:12:49.000 That means eliminating Iran's Navy, which is now absolutely destroyed, hurting their Air Force and their missile program at levels never seen before, and annihilating their defense industrial base.

01:13:04.000 We've done all of it.

01:13:05.000 Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone.

01:13:08.000 Their missiles are just about used up or beaten.

01:13:12.000 Taken together, these actions will cripple Iran's military, crush their ability to support terrorist proxies, and deny them the ability to build a nuclear bomb.

01:13:22.000 Our armed forces have been extraordinary.

01:13:25.000 There's never been anything like it militarily.

01:13:29.000 Everyone is talking about it, and tonight I'm pleased to say that these core strategic objectives are nearing completion.

01:13:37.000 As we celebrate this progress, we think.

01:13:40.000 Especially of the 13 American warriors who have laid down their lives in this fight to prevent our children from ever having to face a nuclear Iran.

01:13:52.000 Twice this past month, I have traveled to Dover Air Force Base, and it's been something.

01:13:58.000 I wanted to be with those heroes as they return to American soil, and I was with them and their families, their parents, their wives, their husbands.

01:14:08.000 We salute them, and now we must honor them by completing the mission.

01:14:13.000 for which they gave their lives, and every single one of the people, their loved ones said, please, sir, please finish the job, every one of them.

01:14:23.000 And we are going to finish the job, and we're going to finish it very fast.

01:14:26.000 We're getting very close.

01:14:27.000 I want to thank our allies in the Middle East, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain.

01:14:38.000 They've been great, and we will not let them get hurt or fail in any way, shape, or form.

01:14:45.000 Many Americans have been concerned to see the recent rise in gasoline prices here at home.

01:14:51.000 This short term increase has been entirely the result of the Iranian regime launching deranged terror attacks against commercial oil tankers and neighboring countries that have nothing to do with the conflict.

01:15:04.000 This is yet more proof that Iran can never be trusted with nuclear weapons.

01:15:09.000 They will use them and they will use them quickly.

01:15:12.000 It would lead to decades of extortion, economic pain, and instability worse than we.

01:15:19.000 Can ever imagine.

01:15:21.000 The United States has never been better prepared economically to confront this threat.

01:15:25.000 You all know that.

01:15:27.000 We built the strongest economy in history.

01:15:30.000 We're going through it right now, the strongest in history.

01:15:33.000 In one year, we've taken a dead and crippled country.

01:15:37.000 I hate to say that, but we were a dead and crippled country after the last administration and made it the hottest country anywhere in the world by far with no inflation.

01:15:51.000 Record setting investments coming into the United States over $18 trillion and the highest stock market ever, with 53 all time record highs in just one year.

01:16:03.000 It all positioned us to get rid of a cancer that has long simmered.

01:16:08.000 It's known as the nuclear Iran, and they didn't know what was coming.

01:16:13.000 They've never imagined it.

01:16:15.000 Remember, because of our drill baby drill program, America has plenty of gas.

01:16:20.000 We have so much gas.

01:16:22.000 Under my leadership, we are number one producer of oil and gas on the planet without even discussing the millions of barrels that we're getting from Venezuela.

01:16:33.000 The Trump administration's policies, we produce more oil and gas than Saudi Arabia and Russia combined.

01:16:39.000 Think of that Saudi Arabia and Russia combined, and that number will soon be substantially higher than that.

01:16:47.000 There's no country like us anywhere in the world, and we're in great shape for the future.

01:16:53.000 The United States imports almost no oil through the Hormuz Strait and won't be taking any in the future.

01:17:01.000 We don't need it.

01:17:02.000 We haven't needed it, and we don't need it.

01:17:05.000 We've beaten and completely decimated Iran.

01:17:09.000 They are decimated, both militarily and economically and in every other way.

01:17:14.000 And the countries of the world that do receive oil through the Hormuz Strait must take care of that passage.

01:17:21.000 They must cherish it.

01:17:23.000 They must grab it and cherish it.

01:17:25.000 They can do it easily.

01:17:27.000 We will be helpful, but they should take the lead in protecting the oil that they so desperately depend on.

01:17:34.000 So, to those countries that can't get fuel, Many of which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran.

01:17:41.000 We had to do it ourselves.

01:17:44.000 I have a suggestion.

01:17:45.000 Number one, buy oil from the United States of America.

01:17:48.000 We have plenty, we have so much.

01:17:50.000 And number two, build up some delayed courage.

01:17:53.000 Should have done it before, should have done it with us as we asked.

01:17:56.000 Go to the Strait and just take it, protect it, use it for yourselves.

01:18:02.000 Iran has been essentially decimated.

01:18:06.000 The hard part is done, so it should be easy.

01:18:08.000 And in any event, when this conflict is over, the strait will open up naturally.

01:18:14.000 It'll just open up naturally.

01:18:15.000 They're going to want to be able to sell oil because that's all they have to try and rebuild.

01:18:21.000 It will resume the flowing, and the gas prices will rapidly come back down.

01:18:26.000 Stock prices will rapidly go back up.

01:18:29.000 They haven't come down very much.

01:18:30.000 Frankly, they came down a little bit, but they've had some very good days over the last couple of days.

01:18:36.000 We've done actually much better than I thought, but we had to take that little journey.

01:18:40.000 To Iran to get rid of this horrible threat.

01:18:44.000 With our historic tax cuts, where people are just now talking about receiving larger refunds than they ever thought possible, they are getting so much more money than they thought.

01:18:54.000 That's from the great big beautiful bill.

01:18:57.000 Our economy is strong and improving by the day, and it will soon be roaring back like never before.

01:19:03.000 It will top the levels that it was a month ago.

01:19:06.000 I've made clear from the beginning of Operation Epic Fury that we will continue until our objectives are fully achieved.

01:19:14.000 Thanks to the progress we've made, I can say tonight that we are on track to complete all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly.

01:19:23.000 We are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks.

01:19:28.000 We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong.

01:19:33.000 In the meantime, discussions are ongoing.

01:19:36.000 Regime change was not our goal.

01:19:38.000 We never said regime change, but regime change has occurred because of all of their original leaders' deaths.

01:19:47.000 They're all dead.

01:19:49.000 The new group is less radical and much more reasonable.

01:19:53.000 Yet, if during this period of time no deal is made, we have our eyes on key targets.

01:19:58.000 If there is no deal, we are going to hit each and every one of their.

01:20:03.000 Electric generating plants very hard and probably simultaneously.

01:20:07.000 We have not hit their oil, even though that's the easiest target of all, because it would not give them even a small chance of survival or rebuilding.

01:20:18.000 But we could hit it and it would be gone, and there's not a thing they could do about it.

01:20:24.000 They have no anti aircraft equipment.

01:20:26.000 Their radar is 100% annihilated.

01:20:30.000 We are unstoppable as a military force.

01:20:34.000 The nuclear sites that we obliterated with the B-2 bombers have been hit so hard that it would take months to get near the nuclear dust, and we have it under intense satellite surveillance and control.

01:20:48.000 If we see them make a move, even a move for it, we'll hit them with missiles very hard again.

01:20:56.000 We have all the cards they have none.

01:20:57.000 It's very important that we keep this conflict in perspective.

01:21:04.000 World War I lasted one year, seven months, and five days.

01:21:10.000 World War II lasted for three years, eight months, and 25 days.

01:21:15.000 The Korean War lasted for three years, one month, and two days.

01:21:20.000 The Vietnam War lasted for 19 years, five months, and 29 days.

01:21:27.000 Iraq went on for eight years, eight months, and 28 days.

01:21:32.000 We are in this military operation, so powerful, so brilliant, against one of the most powerful countries for.

01:21:40.000 32 days, and the country has been eviscerated and essentially is really no longer a threat.

01:21:48.000 They were the bully of the Middle East, but they're the bully no longer.

01:21:52.000 This is a true investment in your children and your grandchildren's future.

01:21:57.000 The whole world is watching, and they can't leave the power, strength, and brilliance.

01:22:03.000 They just can't believe what they're seeing.

01:22:06.000 They leave it to your imagination, but they can't believe what they're seeing.

01:22:10.000 The brilliance of the United States.

01:22:12.000 Military.

01:22:14.000 Tonight, every American can look forward to a day when we are finally free from the wickedness of Iranian aggression and the specter of nuclear blackmail.

01:22:24.000 Because of the actions we have taken, we are on the cusp of ending Iran's sinister threat to America and the world.

01:22:31.000 And I'll tell you, the world is watching.

01:22:33.000 And when we do, when it's all over, the United States will be safer, stronger, more prosperous, and greater than it has ever been before.

01:22:44.000 May God bless the men and women of the United States Armed Forces and may God bless the United States of America.

01:22:52.000 Thank you very much and good night.

01:22:54.000 Oh, wow.

01:22:55.000 I'm a little.

01:22:56.000 I've got one quick question.

01:22:56.000 Michael?

01:22:57.000 Like, this is even a sarcastic.

01:22:59.000 I'm not even sarcastic.

01:23:00.000 He said we're close to achieving all of America's military goals.

01:23:04.000 What are those?

01:23:05.000 I literally don't know what those are.

01:23:06.000 Rubio posted them.

01:23:07.000 Oh, he did?

01:23:08.000 Yeah.

01:23:08.000 What are they?

01:23:09.000 It was basically annihilate their ability to wage ground war, anti air and naval.

01:23:15.000 And there were like, I don't know, might have been like seven points or something.

01:23:18.000 Can we pull that up?

01:23:18.000 Because I think we might have seen that.

01:23:20.000 Yeah.

01:23:20.000 Because that's the big question I think people have it.

01:23:23.000 Blowing up their arms and legs doesn't stop the brain's desire.

01:23:26.000 So that's what I don't understand.

01:23:27.000 Well, the argument that Marco Rubio made is that they want to degrade their ability to have missiles.

01:23:35.000 Do you have it, Tim?

01:23:36.000 Okay, grab it.

01:23:36.000 I found it.

01:23:37.000 Just put it in the Slack.

01:23:38.000 Or, yeah, yeah.

01:23:40.000 It was Rubio, right?

01:23:41.000 Yeah, he was like a bullet point thing or something.

01:23:41.000 Yeah.

01:23:44.000 Two minute thing right there.

01:23:46.000 Yeah, he won.

01:23:48.000 Our objectives.

01:23:49.000 Americans are asking why the United States had to attack Iran now?

01:23:54.000 Well, let me explain.

01:23:55.000 Iran wants to have nuclear weapons.

01:23:57.000 Of that, there is zero doubt.

01:23:59.000 If what they truly wanted, which is what they claim, is nuclear energy, Well, they could have nuclear energy like all the other countries in the world have it.

01:24:05.000 And that is, you import the fuel and you build reactors above ground.

01:24:09.000 That's not what Iran has done.

01:24:11.000 They build their reactors and their facilities deep in mountains away from the public glare.

01:24:17.000 And they want to enrich that material.

01:24:19.000 The same equipment that they could use to enrich material for energy, they could use to quickly enrich it to weapons grade.

01:24:26.000 So it is clear that they've been offered every opportunity to have a nuclear program that allows them to have energy, not weapons.

01:24:32.000 And every single time they have turned it down.

01:24:35.000 But why the attack now?

01:24:37.000 Well, what was Iran trying to do?

01:24:39.000 Iran was trying to build a conventional shield, in essence, have so many missiles, have so many drones, that no one could attack them, and they were well on their way.

01:24:48.000 We were on the verge of an Iran that had so many missiles and so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future.

01:24:56.000 That was an intolerable risk.

01:24:58.000 Under no circumstances can a country run by radical Shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future ever possess nuclear weapons.

01:25:05.000 And under no circumstances can they be allowed to hide and protect that program.

01:25:10.000 And their ambitions behind a shield of missiles and drones that no one can do anything about.

01:25:16.000 This was our last best chance to eliminate that conventional threat, that conventional shield that they were trying to build.

01:25:23.000 And the president made the right decision to wipe it out now.

01:25:26.000 That is the goal of this operation to destroy their conventional missiles and their drone program so they can't hide behind it and finally have to deal with the world seriously about never, ever having nuclear weapons.

01:25:38.000 That's so much more coherent than what Trump said.

01:25:40.000 Well, of course it is.

01:25:41.000 You're saying, of course, I didn't know.

01:25:42.000 I'm sorry.

01:25:43.000 It implies that they're going to have to get the Iranian regime to allow inspectors into the country, basically capitulate and become servants of the country.

01:25:51.000 One of the points that I've heard a lot of people making is that the reason that we couldn't do anything about North Korea getting a nuclear weapon is because of the location of Pyongyang.

01:26:00.000 They're within artillery range of North Korea.

01:26:03.000 So if they tried to prevent.

01:26:05.000 What?

01:26:06.000 China's backing North Korea.

01:26:07.000 We can't go in.

01:26:08.000 No, no, but the point that I'm making.

01:26:10.000 He was going in.

01:26:11.000 The IAEA, they kicked him out.

01:26:14.000 Yeah, but the main reason they couldn't, because.

01:26:16.000 They couldn't even gamble on trying to, is because if they tried to strike North Korea, North Korea can just use artillery and wipe out, what, 10 million people in Seoul?

01:26:26.000 They'd kill tens of thousands with just artillery.

01:26:28.000 And so, what the goal is here is to prevent Iran from achieving that kind of weapons capacity with conventional weapons, making it too costly for the U.S. or someone else to go and actually attack them because there's so much ability.

01:26:46.000 Is this April Fool's?

01:26:47.000 Why didn't Trump say what you just said?

01:26:49.000 Because he's Trump.

01:26:50.000 Come on.

01:26:50.000 Are you kidding?

01:26:51.000 People are writing this speech.

01:26:52.000 I've seen many.

01:26:52.000 No, no, I'm going to say this.

01:26:53.000 I think Rubio should have added, Rubio should have said this everything he said.

01:26:59.000 And I want the people of this country to understand that while the safety of the region, our allies, our troops are paramount, understand that the threat from Iran would also destabilize the economy here in the United States and abroad.

01:27:15.000 As we are seeing now with the shuttering of the Strait of Hormuz and gas prices going up.

01:27:20.000 If we waited and they aimed nuclear weapons at us or our allies, gas prices would have gone up $4 a gallon.

01:27:29.000 This is just a small factor, but understand it's a big picture, and the safety of the people and the lives is the most important.

01:27:37.000 That would be a very coherent.

01:27:38.000 And then not just gas prices would go up, but the cost of literally everything, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:27:43.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:27:44.000 And none of us talking about this is an endorsement of the attacking.

01:27:48.000 I know they don't understand, but it's only, he's still, Ruby only gave us half.

01:27:52.000 Or part of an equation because you blow up all their conventional weapons, their missiles and drones, and then wait four years, they're going to have another round of conventional weapons.

01:27:59.000 It's called mowing a lawn.

01:28:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:28:01.000 So, is that the plan?

01:28:02.000 Is every three years we're going to obey the plan?

01:28:03.000 And that's why they want regime change.

01:28:05.000 Well, he didn't say that, but I agree.

01:28:06.000 He did.

01:28:07.000 He didn't.

01:28:08.000 Trump, you just said it.

01:28:09.000 Trump.

01:28:09.000 Yeah, Rubio didn't mention regime change as part of the tactic.

01:28:12.000 I want to say this, too.

01:28:12.000 The strategy.

01:28:13.000 Because my concerns, as I mentioned earlier, with intervention are functional and not moral.

01:28:18.000 I have moral concerns.

01:28:20.000 Like, there's a report that the U.S. may have launched a tomahawk, which hit a school, killing a bunch of children.

01:28:24.000 Horrifying.

01:28:25.000 And moral concerns matter.

01:28:26.000 However, in war, we try to avoid these.

01:28:29.000 And I believe the United States.

01:28:31.000 As a force for war and a global power, has been the most moral that we have seen in the past, I don't know, in our history, in the history of the planet.

01:28:40.000 Certainly, you can look at the Nazis and everyone goes, oh.

01:28:43.000 Certainly, you can look at Napoleon and go, really?

01:28:45.000 You can look at Russia and China and go, good God.

01:28:48.000 And you look at America and you go, well, they did do a lot of bad things, but all things considered, my argument is I sit online, I see these activists from left to right or otherwise, and they say the U.S. is the worst terrorist on the planet, the U.S. is evil.

01:29:04.000 All of these things, and that is just not true.

01:29:07.000 It may not be correct, functional, or moral what they're doing.

01:29:12.000 Those arguments are always allowed.

01:29:13.000 But my point is China was threatening to destroy one of the largest aquifers in Central America so they could compete with the Panama Canal.

01:29:22.000 They have no regard for human life and what is moral or good.

01:29:25.000 Certainly, one could argue the US does bad things, and I would argue, welcome to war and global conflict.

01:29:31.000 So, by all means, criticize the war.

01:29:32.000 I'm not saying not to.

01:29:33.000 I'm just saying, Don't come to me and claim that Iran is morally just.

01:29:37.000 Don't come to me and say China is morally just or good or that Russia is.

01:29:40.000 Because I will tell you, the United States is infinitely, infinitely better and more moral than all of those countries.

01:29:46.000 Very good at not turning on its own people because of our decentralized legal systems where local police basically trump essentially the exterior forces.

01:29:55.000 So the U.S. is moral in that way that it hasn't genocided its own people.

01:29:59.000 But we're not at war in Iran.

01:30:01.000 So you're saying in times of war, you might blow up a school of children, but we're not at war.

01:30:05.000 A guy just said, Let's go blow up that school of children.

01:30:07.000 We're doing war-y kind of things now.

01:30:10.000 The point is, the American military is the most constrained military in terms of global powers.

01:30:18.000 Hearing the things that our men and women in uniform go through when they're like, We're getting shot at, we're not allowed to return fire because of the risks.

01:30:25.000 The U.S. military goes to painstaking lengths to avoid what communist China does intentionally.

01:30:32.000 I think that the point people make, and I'm not saying you disagree with this, Isn't that the Iran or Chinese are good people, but that they're acting in certain ways that make rational sense?

01:30:41.000 And you can understand other countries looking at what happened with Iran being like, you know what?

01:30:44.000 If I get nukes, this isn't going to happen to me.

01:30:46.000 Look at Pakistan.

01:30:47.000 Pakistan harbored bin Laden.

01:30:48.000 No one brings them up.

01:30:50.000 That is, I would argue, functionally correct.

01:30:52.000 And then we can take a look at what the US response was with Iran right now.

01:30:56.000 Iran, Trump, I would argue, embarrassed, humiliated even, because the 12 day war was a failure.

01:31:02.000 He said we got their nuclear capabilities.

01:31:05.000 What did we see from satellite photos?

01:31:06.000 It looked like they got all of the enriched uranium out before it was blown up.

01:31:10.000 And guess what?

01:31:11.000 That's true.

01:31:12.000 Trump failed in that regard.

01:31:14.000 I bet Trump was pissed.

01:31:15.000 And now it's like, okay, well, if we're going to shut him down, we're going to do it.

01:31:18.000 I believe it has more to do with just uranium, protests, or whatever.

01:31:24.000 But I will stress the U.S. says, we will target your military.

01:31:28.000 There may be accidental collateral damage.

01:31:30.000 I do not believe the U.S. intentionally targeted school children.

01:31:32.000 That's a waste of a billion dollar missile or a $50 million dollar missile.

01:31:36.000 You're not accomplishing any goals with doing that.

01:31:38.000 Look what Iran did.

01:31:39.000 They targeted hotels and civilians.

01:31:42.000 Iran threatened to target critical infrastructure of our allies, uninvolved, like Trump mentioned, as well as civilians, because the threat of terror makes an honest person scared.

01:31:53.000 The criminal at the bank points the gun at the innocent woman, knowing the police don't want her to die and would rather the criminal escape with all of the money than the innocent person die.

01:32:02.000 And that's what Iran is doing.

01:32:02.000 That's evil.

01:32:05.000 So, I'm not justifying that we go and do this because, again, moral arguments are allowed and we can have them.

01:32:11.000 Functional arguments are mostly where I stand, but moral matters to me.

01:32:14.000 But you take a look at what Iran's been doing in the region, arming rebels who blow up civilian cargo ships, which they've been doing for years.

01:32:21.000 And we're supposed to just sit back and be like, well, you know, we can't do anything about it.

01:32:25.000 I reject that.

01:32:26.000 Now, again, my principal concerns are the moral expense, like this school that was blown up.

01:32:32.000 We should have an investigation.

01:32:34.000 My concerns are the function.

01:32:35.000 If we do this, will we actually succeed?

01:32:37.000 And even Eric Prince said it's a roll of dice.

01:32:39.000 But I will stress on Venezuela, while skeptical because my fear is the function, morally, we are 100% justified.

01:32:47.000 And I am glad that Trump succeeded in Venezuela.

01:32:50.000 The Venezuelans stole our assets and we had a treaty with them.

01:32:55.000 We shook hands.

01:32:57.000 We built oil infrastructure and smiled and said, thank you.

01:33:00.000 We'll get rich together.

01:33:01.000 And then the communists in that country stole it all from us and gave us the middle finger.

01:33:05.000 And Trump What did he do?

01:33:06.000 He took one guy and got our stuff back, and there's no war, and I respect it.

01:33:10.000 I think that's fair to the extent that Maduro and a few of his henchmen got taken out.

01:33:14.000 So the damage was so minimal, people didn't even know how to freak out about it.

01:33:18.000 Agreed.

01:33:18.000 But if he's sitting there talking about who knows if it's bluster, about targeting electricity, which is going to affect a lot of civilians, at a certain point, you can't just say it's just war.

01:33:29.000 I think the principal issue is the scenario I like to give, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this thought experiment.

01:33:36.000 I may have asked you this already, but I'm going to ask you again Is this the naked slave being whipped?

01:33:40.000 That was fun, though, right?

01:33:40.000 No, no, no.

01:33:41.000 This one is you're in the middle of the woods, far from civilization.

01:33:45.000 Okay, how would that ever happen?

01:33:46.000 It's called a hypothetical.

01:33:48.000 But even if you didn't have breakfast, Michael, how would you have felt?

01:33:52.000 I wake up at 11, I never have breakfast.

01:33:54.000 Let me ask you a question, and it's not necessarily just for you, but a thought experiment I like to ask people when it pertains to war is you're in the middle of the woods, you're lost, you have a small satchel of food and a canteen, it'll last you about a day, and you have a rifle.

01:34:05.000 Okay.

01:34:06.000 You're trying to find your way to civilization, and let's just say that you're in an unknown country.

01:34:11.000 Sure, sure.

01:34:12.000 And as you're walking, you see a man.

01:34:14.000 In the distance, looks just like you.

01:34:16.000 Rifle, small satchel, looks like food, canteen of water.

01:34:19.000 What do you do?

01:34:21.000 Wait, does it matter that he looks like me?

01:34:23.000 Like he looks like he's wearing the same gear as me.

01:34:25.000 Oh, okay.

01:34:25.000 I think that he's like my clone.

01:34:27.000 I would approach him and say, Hey, I'm lost.

01:34:27.000 Okay.

01:34:30.000 Bang.

01:34:30.000 Can you help?

01:34:31.000 Now he's got two days worth of food and you're dead.

01:34:33.000 You don't know that.

01:34:34.000 Indeed, you don't.

01:34:35.000 And you don't know that he'll greet you either.

01:34:37.000 And this is the thought experiment.

01:34:38.000 Andrew Branca said, I'd shoot him on the spot, I'd aim my rifle and take him out.

01:34:42.000 I think it would depend on what country you're in.

01:34:44.000 You're in an unknown country.

01:34:46.000 I'd say it would depend because if you're like in Canada, like it's not getting in well for you.

01:34:49.000 Well, I said you're in an unknown country, lost from civilization with limited food, and you see a man.

01:34:55.000 I'm very loathe, even hypothetical.

01:34:59.000 Let me give you another thought experiment.

01:35:00.000 This actually happened.

01:35:01.000 Let me just finish this one point.

01:35:02.000 On the thought experiment, there is no right answer, and no answer you give will ever be adequate.

01:35:02.000 Sure, sure.

01:35:07.000 That's the point.

01:35:08.000 If you say, I would call out to him, he responds in a foreign language.

01:35:11.000 If you say, I approach him, he shoots you.

01:35:13.000 If you say, I shoot him first, okay, then he's dead.

01:35:15.000 The point is.

01:35:16.000 When we're in situations of war, especially as citizens watching a government, we don't know everything.

01:35:22.000 That's exactly right.

01:35:23.000 And there's only one question that matters Do you trust this administration?

01:35:27.000 Right.

01:35:28.000 But throw yours out.

01:35:30.000 This is one of the things I learned when I was writing the White Pill.

01:35:32.000 Before he was president, Reagan was taken, or maybe during, I don't remember, was taken down to a bunker and given a simulation of nuclear reciprocity.

01:35:42.000 And they're like, okay, press this button.

01:35:44.000 And he goes, wait, wait.

01:35:45.000 If I press this button, Millions of Russians are gonna die?

01:35:48.000 And they're like, yes.

01:35:49.000 And he's like, uh huh.

01:35:50.000 And his aides are like, he knew he wasn't going to press that button, that he was knocking out.

01:35:54.000 And what's amazing is Gorbachev, who was head of the USSR, was taken to an actual mock room and they walked him through it.

01:36:02.000 He goes, I'm not pressing this button, even in this simulation.

01:36:05.000 Neither of them knew it.

01:36:06.000 So both of them during the Cold War were like, I'm not doing anything.

01:36:06.000 Wow.

01:36:09.000 I'm not retaliating.

01:36:10.000 But they both thought that other guy's going to kill millions of us in a second.

01:36:13.000 That's kind of what ended the Cold War.

01:36:14.000 Well, there's the famous story.

01:36:15.000 But I'm just going to say my point.

01:36:17.000 Even in hypothetical, I'm loathe to say I'm going to shoot someone because my brain doesn't work like that.

01:36:23.000 I suppose the ease depends on the context.

01:36:27.000 Well, so this context, like a context change automatically, the thought experiment we've elaborated on.

01:36:32.000 You are alone in the middle of the woods walking.

01:36:35.000 You have a rifle and a satchel of food and water, and you see a man in the distance who looks just like you.

01:36:39.000 Right.

01:36:40.000 And you're only alone because you just left your two children and wife to go find food.

01:36:44.000 Okay.

01:36:44.000 What do you do?

01:36:45.000 Shoot the wife and kids.

01:36:47.000 That's three days of food.

01:36:48.000 Are you stupid?

01:36:49.000 That's three days of food.

01:36:50.000 And you can eat the people.

01:36:51.000 And you can make more kids.

01:36:52.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.000 So the point is it was funny because the point of the thought experiment is just for you to envision being in a scenario where you're approaching an unknown.

01:37:02.000 Sure.

01:37:02.000 And And Andrew Branka was like, I'd shoot him.

01:37:04.000 And I was like, I'd pull my rifle and shoot him.

01:37:07.000 I was like, and he's like, now I got food.

01:37:08.000 And I'm like, okay.

01:37:09.000 It's like Andrew's been stuck in an elevator for an hour.

01:37:15.000 And I was like, that's an answer.

01:37:16.000 But there's no wrong answer.

01:37:17.000 There's no right answer.

01:37:18.000 It's just imagine being in this scenario.

01:37:20.000 I also think it's easy to have hypotheticals, but we don't know what it would be like in that situation.

01:37:24.000 Right.

01:37:24.000 A lot of people say, oh, as soon as someone comes to my house, I put a bullet in his car.

01:37:28.000 There's a story that happened in Texas where a guy gets rear ended and he gets out of his car angry.

01:37:34.000 He just got rear ended.

01:37:36.000 And so he gets out of the car, he starts screaming.

01:37:38.000 The other guy gets out of his car and he sees the guy screaming and ranting walking towards him, so he puts his hand up and puts his hand on his hip.

01:37:44.000 The guy walking towards him sees him reaching for his gun, so he grabs his gun and draws it.

01:37:48.000 Then the other guy sees him drawing his gun and points his gun, and then they both shoot each other.

01:37:53.000 And it was simply an escalation that neither understood.

01:37:56.000 The presumption was the guy who got rear ended was just pissed off he got rear ended, wasn't going to shoot anybody.

01:38:00.000 But the guy who rear ended him sees an angry guy screaming and walking towards him, and he just meant to ready himself.

01:38:05.000 The guy sees a hand going to a gun that snowballs.

01:38:08.000 In that hypothetical in the woods, why wouldn't it make sense for me to point the gun at a Let's say Phil and be like, hey, who are you?

01:38:14.000 And so that's before you shoot him.

01:38:16.000 So, right.

01:38:17.000 There's an escalation process.

01:38:18.000 That's why Bryke is thinking, I'm going to shoot him.

01:38:20.000 Because the point of the experiment is that there's no right or wrong answer.

01:38:23.000 You say, I draw my rifle and say, freeze.

01:38:25.000 As you're grabbing your rifle, he aims his rifle and shoots.

01:38:28.000 He sees you reaching for your gun, so he shoots you.

01:38:31.000 Or the other example is people will say, I yell hello, and he yells flabbo.

01:38:36.000 And you go, I have no idea what he just said.

01:38:38.000 So, with foreign countries, you don't know what flabbo means?

01:38:40.000 Well, I do.

01:38:42.000 But the point of the experiment is, Imagine you're in these scenarios where there's no right or like you don't know what's going to happen.

01:38:47.000 You have no idea how to address a stranger who's armed.

01:38:49.000 Is this person you're lost in the woods and you're starving, you're hungry, you have one day left of food, and this guy might be thinking, I don't want to, he might knife me in the back.

01:38:59.000 I feel like human beings are much more neighborly and friendly, having traveled to different places.

01:39:04.000 It's true.

01:39:05.000 There was a couple that went biking around the world because they wanted to show everybody how peaceful it is, and then a car pulled over, jumped out, and slipped and chopped their heads off.

01:39:13.000 But how many places did they go before they went to that car?

01:39:16.000 A couple dozen.

01:39:17.000 Right, so that means the odds are a couple dozen that you're.

01:39:19.000 Or the two women who went hiking in Morocco and then the Islamists dragged them up onto a mountain, raped them, and killed them.

01:39:25.000 You know about these stories because they're the outliers, not the norm.

01:39:27.000 I didn't say it was the norm.

01:39:29.000 I'm making a point like it's a half joke.

01:39:33.000 You're like, people are not crazy.

01:39:34.000 My argument is I've traveled the world.

01:39:36.000 Did you shoot the person?

01:39:37.000 No.

01:39:38.000 No, two people working together are substantially more effective.

01:39:38.000 Oh, okay.

01:39:40.000 Yeah, okay, thank you.

01:39:41.000 Yeah.

01:39:42.000 I've traveled the world and many people have asked me, Aren't you scared going to favelas or going to riots?

01:39:47.000 And I said, No, because people are all the same.

01:39:49.000 Some people are crazy in America as it's crazies.

01:39:52.000 Most people want the same thing they want food, shelter, and their families.

01:39:55.000 The ideologues who wage war are rare.

01:39:58.000 And so I've been like when I walked around Nasser city in Egypt, I wasn't scared any one of these guys was going to attack me.

01:40:05.000 Because that doesn't serve their interests in any way.

01:40:07.000 They were praying.

01:40:08.000 They were Muslim Brotherhood guys.

01:40:10.000 No, in all likelihood, when they find out an American journalist is there, they're going to say, please tell my story.

01:40:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:40:16.000 So I'm like, there are crazy people and we've been threatened and freaked out by it, but they're gangbangers in Chicago who freaked me out all the same.

01:40:23.000 A lot of that metaphor of being in the woods with a dude looking at them is like communication levels.

01:40:29.000 If communication is in total breakdown, anyone that doesn't speak your language that's out there is probably an enemy combatant.

01:40:34.000 At least that's the way you got to think.

01:40:35.000 But if you have communication lines open and you can, Either speak to him or radio him ahead of time, you'll know what the threat levels are.

01:40:43.000 See, let me tell you about this simulation.

01:40:45.000 One thing that I think high net worth people understand that low net worth people do not, and it's not meant to be derisive or humble bragging, but it's true the amount of knives that get placed in your back when you have money are orders of magnitude greater than when you don't.

01:40:58.000 When you are working class, you have betrayers and you have backstabbers because everybody does.

01:41:03.000 But when you have money, there are people who will kill you for no reason.

01:41:06.000 There are people you thought your friends.

01:41:08.000 Who will leak private messages from you?

01:41:10.000 There are people that you would claim to be your friend, and when you die, will leak private messages to exploit to make money on the internet.

01:41:16.000 I was thinking, like, turning, like, yeah, friendships are cool, people are great, but if you have a stockpile of food and they don't, you're kind of slick.

01:41:23.000 Do you guys know who Big Frida is?

01:41:25.000 No.

01:41:25.000 I didn't think I was going to bring this up on the show.

01:41:27.000 Can you pull a Big Frida, F R E E D I A?

01:41:29.000 Big Frida is the biggest singer of bounce music from New Orleans.

01:41:34.000 Total gender fluid.

01:41:37.000 Yeah, pull up an image.

01:41:39.000 Big Frida.

01:41:40.000 That's Big Frida.

01:41:42.000 Big Frida got stabbed in St. Louis because someone wanted to say, I'm the guy who stabbed Big Frida.

01:41:49.000 Oh my God.

01:41:49.000 To your point, when you become a certain level of status, people want to take you down just so they could say, I'm the one who stabbed.

01:41:55.000 But it's not about strangers.

01:41:56.000 Let's think about more about strangers.

01:41:57.000 I know.

01:41:58.000 Let me tell you.

01:41:59.000 I probably have three former best friends who have tried to destroy me and threaten my family's life.

01:42:06.000 And there's four and five.

01:42:08.000 I have no idea.

01:42:09.000 Every day after the show, Phil tackles me.

01:42:11.000 And then you're going to be the guy who's going to be on his toes, man.

01:42:14.000 You got to swear Phil's trying to just kill me, but he always wants to.

01:42:17.000 He calls it wrestling.

01:42:19.000 She's got to keep.

01:42:20.000 She feels pretty good.

01:42:21.000 So there's a guy that I knew.

01:42:23.000 We were probably best friends for a few years.

01:42:25.000 He does.

01:42:26.000 There was a dude I knew, and we were probably best friends for a couple of years.

01:42:30.000 And a few years ago, he started posting on X fake stories about me using pictures that we had and like proof that he knew me to try and build clout.

01:42:42.000 He would go on X. There was a guy that I knew that I considered a pretty good friend who hacked into one of my servers and then started leaking like inane messages between Discord members.

01:42:53.000 This is a long time ago for no reason other than to attack me and profit off of knowing me.

01:42:58.000 The amount of people who will betray you when you have things, regular people just have not experienced this.

01:43:03.000 Tim Ferriss had this great essay about 10 things that happen to you when you're famous.

01:43:06.000 And Tim Ferriss is obviously a huge name.

01:43:08.000 And one of them was, you're going to have, he's like, imagine you have a village of a million people, right?

01:43:13.000 Out of that million people, 100 of them are going to be crazy.

01:43:16.000 And I don't mean crazy, like weird, like crazy, like they think they're married to you.

01:43:19.000 And he goes, When your audience reaches, I just got named, someone just, a stalker of mine, just filled out their living will in Canada and made me the beneficiary over their parents and brother.

01:43:31.000 What's their net worth?

01:43:32.000 I have access to their bank accounts and their gametes, which is currently the Oasis Fertility Clinic in Calgary.

01:43:37.000 What?

01:43:38.000 I met this person once 10 years ago.

01:43:40.000 Point being, to Tim Ferriss's point, when you have a million people in your audience, 100 of them are going to have these relationships with you.

01:43:46.000 They aren't just like, Oh, I like Phil, I like his music.

01:43:49.000 It's like, Phil and I went to high school together and now he's not returning my calls.

01:43:52.000 No, I do hear that, and I've experienced that, obviously.

01:43:55.000 The distinction I'm drawing, however, from the phenomenon of crazies who know you like I always talk about, I'm not scared of Antifa, I'm scared of the guy who thinks I stole his spoons and is like hunting me down.

01:44:03.000 There was a woman on X who said, I broke into her house at two in the morning and turned her TV on, waking up her family.

01:44:08.000 And there are people on the left who are responding like it was true.

01:44:11.000 But real quick, my point is there are people that I would consider, would have considered to be very good friends who I'm still friends with on social media who found that they could exploit their connection to me to profit and promptly knifed me in the back.

01:44:26.000 And I was shocked the first couple of times it happened, the lengths people were willing to go to do it.

01:44:32.000 And so I.

01:44:34.000 We talk about the guy in the woods.

01:44:36.000 Let me put it like this You are in the woods and you have a stack of food that is going to last you for three months, and a man is approaching you with a rifle.

01:44:45.000 It changes things.

01:44:46.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:44:47.000 That guy's not going to stop to ask questions.

01:44:49.000 He's going to be like, I'm going to live or die, and I'm taking that guy's food.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, that guy's called a cop.

01:44:54.000 Yes.

01:44:55.000 Yeah, I mean, look, to your point about crazy people doing things like the guy that killed Daryl Abbott, guitar player from Pantera, he was in a band called Damage Plant at the time.

01:45:05.000 He got on stage and shot him because he believed that it was Daryl and his brother Vince that caused Pantera to break up.

01:45:14.000 Now, this is not true at all.

01:45:15.000 Even if it's true.

01:45:16.000 It's not what happened.

01:45:17.000 Yeah, I mean, yes, sure.

01:45:19.000 But someone going after Yoko?

01:45:20.000 It was totally fabricated in his head.

01:45:22.000 What about Selena?

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:24.000 She was the head of her fan club.

01:45:25.000 Yep.

01:45:27.000 I've got a couple of women who claim they're married to me, including Allison.

01:45:30.000 She claims it.

01:45:31.000 Yeah.

01:45:33.000 But there are people that have threatened.

01:45:35.000 My whole family, because people I've never met who claim that they married me and then I ran away or something.

01:45:42.000 And it's just like, no idea who this person is.

01:45:46.000 They're from a place I've never been to.

01:45:47.000 And parasocial, since the internet, it's the worst.

01:45:49.000 It's really since video and radio.

01:45:52.000 You start to fall in love with the vibe of this other, like before radio.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:55.000 You didn't really have the parasocial love like we do now.

01:45:58.000 And if you disagree with, if your opinion is disagree with some person on something, they act like you're a boyfriend, girlfriend who cheated on them.

01:46:05.000 Yeah.

01:46:05.000 The rage and you betrayed me.

01:46:07.000 And it's just like, I have no idea who you are.

01:46:09.000 Yeah.

01:46:09.000 And I'm entitled to my opinions.

01:46:10.000 Those are the best conversations.

01:46:12.000 All those people on the phone and talk to them for an hour.

01:46:12.000 They're not.

01:46:14.000 You're like, I've been wanting to tell you this for years, Michael.

01:46:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:17.000 And you're like, all right.

01:46:18.000 We're going to go to your Rumble rants and super chat.

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01:46:22.000 And of course, the uncensored portion will be coming up at 10 o'clock.

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01:47:02.000 Let's grab it.

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01:47:04.000 He says, When a child is born in the U.S., the child should get the same status as the parents.

01:47:08.000 Agreed.

01:47:10.000 Temporary visa for three months or.

01:47:13.000 Permanent resident or citizen, right?

01:47:16.000 A lot of these things would be solved if there was a legal residency program that's permanent.

01:47:21.000 Like your kids can't become citizens, you can't become a citizen, but it would solve a lot of the stuff in the bud.

01:47:28.000 Omega Resetsu says, until Michael Malice can answer and prove how anarchism can work without collapse or being subjugated by outside powers, I cannot take anything this clown says seriously.

01:47:37.000 Total joke.

01:47:38.000 But he called you a clown.

01:47:39.000 I'm perfectly fine.

01:47:42.000 I have no idea who you are.

01:47:43.000 I imagine anarchy is a gradient.

01:47:45.000 It's not like an on or off switch.

01:47:46.000 It is an on or off switch with personal love, but it's just this is what we're talking about parasocial relationships.

01:47:50.000 It's like, okay, someone out there doesn't take me seriously.

01:47:53.000 There's lots of them.

01:47:53.000 Fine.

01:47:54.000 You say anarchism.

01:47:55.000 There's lots of them.

01:47:55.000 It is an on or off switch.

01:47:56.000 It's not more of a gradient where you can be like mostly anarchistic.

01:47:59.000 I don't think it's, I think it's an on or off switch.

01:48:01.000 What do you think, Phil?

01:48:02.000 I do think that it's probably an on or off switch, but it's worth noting the way that Michael, if I understand correctly, not to speak for you, but the way that Michael understands it, it's very much a personal thing.

01:48:12.000 That's right.

01:48:13.000 It's about the way that he interacts with not just government, but with the world.

01:48:17.000 That's right.

01:48:18.000 I agree with that.

01:48:19.000 My point is most people don't know what anarchism is.

01:48:22.000 Correct.

01:48:23.000 And most conservatives think anarchy means violence and chaos.

01:48:26.000 I think it's antifa.

01:48:27.000 Yeah.

01:48:28.000 And then we tried to explain the root origin of the words anarchy.

01:48:33.000 Would you like to explain the Latin root?

01:48:34.000 No, but I would like them to read the anarchist handbook and learn more because just even though they still are not going to hear it, the Latin root doesn't really matter to them.

01:48:41.000 Archie means?

01:48:42.000 I can explain in 30 seconds or one minute.

01:48:46.000 You can explain in two words.

01:48:48.000 That's not explaining anything without rulers.

01:48:51.000 People don't understand how that's possible.

01:48:51.000 Yeah.

01:48:55.000 But I suppose the issue is philosophical anarchism, it doesn't matter if there's rulers or not.

01:49:02.000 Right.

01:49:04.000 It's a personal worldview.

01:49:05.000 Exactly.

01:49:06.000 In the same way that people say, the joke is everyone's an anarchist.

01:49:09.000 Atheist with one exception.

01:49:10.000 You don't believe in Zeus.

01:49:11.000 You don't believe in Thor, even if you believe in your one God.

01:49:13.000 If all of us went to another country where alcohol was illegal and someone was passing around a beer at a party, we would ask ourselves, do we want to drink?

01:49:21.000 What are the risks?

01:49:22.000 But at no point in our head are we like, well, the government says it's wrong, so we're not going to do it.

01:49:27.000 So anarchism is that approach to every government, including your own.

01:49:31.000 That's it.

01:49:33.000 Yep.

01:49:33.000 And I think a component of the discussion we were having earlier about how the law is never the letter of the law.

01:49:40.000 It's exactly what it's willing to do.

01:49:41.000 There's an essay in the Anarchist Handbook that says The Myth of Objective Law, which addresses this exact point.

01:49:45.000 So, a perfect example of this is how Pokemon cards are gambling.

01:49:50.000 Oh, you mean because you're investing in them?

01:49:52.000 Is that legally objective?

01:49:53.000 No, no, because I've been basically making this point that one of the big stories I think is happening right now with Gen Z is the expansion of gambling in casinos across the country.

01:50:01.000 Miriam Maddelson is a huge donor of Donald Trump and has been trying to get the Sands Corporation into Texas for opening casinos.

01:50:01.000 Right, that's true.

01:50:07.000 Right.

01:50:07.000 And the point I've been making with this is.

01:50:11.000 Here's a better example.

01:50:12.000 We don't got to talk about Pokemon.

01:50:13.000 Is that in West Virginia, by the letter of the law, cohabitation is illegal.

01:50:17.000 A man and a woman cannot be roommates.

01:50:20.000 They cannot share a domicile if they are not married.

01:50:23.000 That's a crime.

01:50:24.000 No cop is going to arrest you for it, even though the law says it.

01:50:27.000 And even if they arrested you, no prosecutor is going to take it out.

01:50:30.000 Yeah, they throw it out.

01:50:30.000 So when they were doing the child drag shows, I pointed out it's already illegal.

01:50:35.000 It says lewd behavior in public is a crime.

01:50:38.000 It is aggravated if children are present.

01:50:40.000 And I said, These drag shows are lewd behavior by any stretch of.

01:50:45.000 If we're looking at the letter of the law when it was written.

01:50:47.000 Even the spirit of the law.

01:50:48.000 Right.

01:50:50.000 If you go back to the 1890s.

01:50:51.000 The law of drag is to be offensive and provocative.

01:50:54.000 But why won't they enforce the law in West Virginia?

01:50:59.000 Well, apparently they have stopped doing the child drag shows because I made these threats.

01:51:04.000 So when I came on the show and said Berkeley County is having child drag shows and they were doing it next door, like literally on the street at my property.

01:51:13.000 They apparently canceled it and stopped doing it, saying they were scared that I was going to get the governor or someone.

01:51:18.000 Because I actually complained to the AG, Morrissey, when he was attorney general.

01:51:21.000 I went to him and said, You're the attorney general of the state.

01:51:25.000 Why are there child drag shows in Berkeley County?

01:51:28.000 Jefferson County banned it outright by county decree, like ordinance or whatever.

01:51:32.000 And he said, That's the prosecutors.

01:51:33.000 He's like, I'm the AG.

01:51:34.000 I don't do that.

01:51:35.000 He's like, I'm the lawyer for the state.

01:51:37.000 And so we look at the DOJ and the AG and we assume she's going to direct these things.

01:51:42.000 We assume the states do it too.

01:51:43.000 But apparently, just by saying I did, they stopped having them.

01:51:46.000 Okay, good.

01:51:46.000 And then they complained locally and went on forums online saying Tim Pool ruined our fun.

01:51:50.000 And I'm like, I'm happy.

01:51:51.000 Yes.

01:51:52.000 Why are there never drag shows for like senior citizens?

01:51:55.000 Right?

01:51:55.000 You wonder.

01:51:56.000 They're okay.

01:51:56.000 They're bored.

01:51:57.000 Teach them to not be so bigoted is the argument.

01:52:01.000 Snasbury says, first I get locked in California, now I get my citizenship removed by Michael Malice.

01:52:06.000 What a week.

01:52:09.000 Yesterday, we said we should build a wall around California.

01:52:12.000 And just sorry if you're there, you're trapped.

01:52:14.000 I had said during 2020 that if Trump threatened to nuke California, he'd win all 50 states.

01:52:19.000 All things, including California.

01:52:23.000 And he'd be like, finally.

01:52:25.000 He's suffered there.

01:52:27.000 Same old man says, Tim and crew, do you think we need a tyrant voted in and control of our government for eight to 10 years to get things done?

01:52:33.000 I don't think we need anything.

01:52:34.000 I think the point is, might makes.

01:52:37.000 Might doesn't make right, but might makes.

01:52:39.000 I think that the president, and this is one of the big issues, I think, in America, the president has a lot less power than people think he does in our system.

01:52:47.000 Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.

01:52:49.000 People, because they campaign and I'm going to change everything, you're really handcuffed, in many ways.

01:52:53.000 I half agree.

01:52:54.000 Functionally, it's true, but if it was more like a Machiavellian thing, they certainly have a lot of power.

01:53:01.000 But not as much as people think.

01:53:02.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:53:03.000 Trump could go to powerful billionaire interests and say, We're going to waive that fee for you.

01:53:08.000 You're going to put money into my packs.

01:53:09.000 Yeah.

01:53:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:10.000 That's true.

01:53:11.000 There's things like that that are not real, like authority, but it's also, it's just like.

01:53:11.000 That's true.

01:53:15.000 It's kind of, to me, it's kind of insane.

01:53:17.000 People act like he has this huge majority in the House and he has no functional majority.

01:53:21.000 So he's really, hands are tied in many ways.

01:53:23.000 One of the things that people give me the most crap about when it comes to talking on this show is I'll be like, You know, look, nobody likes the way the sausage is made.

01:53:31.000 The federal government is supposed to act slowly.

01:53:33.000 It's supposed to work slowly.

01:53:34.000 It's actually not supposed to do most of the stuff that it does.

01:53:37.000 And, People get so upset.

01:53:38.000 You shut up, liberal.

01:53:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:53:40.000 You're communist.

01:53:41.000 You want this to happen.

01:53:42.000 You're a cock or whatever.

01:53:43.000 And it's like just because I'm not even saying that I like it.

01:53:46.000 I'm just articulating this is the reality we live in.

01:53:50.000 But if you articulate that, that means you're endorsing it in their minds.

01:53:53.000 They cannot process it.

01:53:54.000 Which is exactly why I have such an affinity for your worldview when it comes to the way people live.

01:54:01.000 You are welcome.

01:54:02.000 We got this from Dawi says If Iran's Navy and Air Force is destroyed, how is Strait of Hormuz closed to us?

01:54:08.000 I had the same question.

01:54:09.000 How does it open up naturally?

01:54:10.000 Hate to say it, but he seems delusional or in denial.

01:54:13.000 Because missile launchers are different from an Air Force or a Navy.

01:54:16.000 Yeah.

01:54:17.000 That land, what city is it?

01:54:19.000 So they have missile launchers, which is another component of the objectives to remove their missile launcher sites, which are SAM sites, surface to air missiles, as well as surface to surface.

01:54:29.000 They've been shooting missiles at Israel, which is like a thousand miles away or whatever.

01:54:32.000 And homie's like, how are they going to shoot missiles at the Strait of Hormuz?

01:54:36.000 And they've laid mines.

01:54:37.000 The other question I have is whoever Iran puts in charge, they're going to have an enormous incentive to not cut a deal.

01:54:45.000 Because you just killed our top guys.

01:54:47.000 Like, if someone killed Trump and Vance, God forbid, because I don't want to wish harm on anybody, and someone's like, all right, let's cut a deal.

01:54:54.000 We're not going to be like, yeah, you know what?

01:54:56.000 Like, we're friends now.

01:54:57.000 No, but sometimes you surrender.

01:54:57.000 That's not a thing.

01:55:00.000 But, okay.

01:55:01.000 But I don't think they're anywhere close to the point where they need to surrender.

01:55:04.000 But I do think that there is a point where you flatten a country and then, like, look at Iraq.

01:55:08.000 Not like we're good friends with Iraq now, but we certainly installed a government.

01:55:12.000 But I don't think we're in a position to install a strongman in.

01:55:15.000 No, we look at Venezuela.

01:55:17.000 Maduro has the Venezuela's bent the knee.

01:55:20.000 I think that Iranian we don't know if Maduro was in on that deal.

01:55:23.000 No, he's not.

01:55:24.000 They captured him and the rest were like, No, no, no.

01:55:26.000 I think Maduro could have easily been like, Look, here's your choice.

01:55:28.000 We're going to take you out or we give you a nice vacation.

01:55:30.000 And he took the vacation.

01:55:32.000 I disagree.

01:55:32.000 I think so.

01:55:33.000 You're familiar with tales from an economic hitman?

01:55:36.000 No.

01:55:37.000 I think we talked about this though.

01:55:38.000 We did when we were in Austin.

01:55:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:40.000 There's a book where a guy says basically the U.S. plan is like, first we bribe you.

01:55:43.000 If you don't do it, we try to run you to power.

01:55:45.000 If that won't work, we kill you.

01:55:46.000 Right.

01:55:47.000 And if we can't kill you by, you know, through assassins, then invasion is the way we do it.

01:55:51.000 I would believe, just from a business perspective, you call it Maduro and say, listen, you're going to be fat and rich.

01:55:58.000 Your people are going to be fat and rich.

01:55:59.000 We're going to let you do your thing.

01:56:01.000 Okay, we're just going to give you a bunch of money from oil.

01:56:03.000 So I just use the oil.

01:56:03.000 And he went, no.

01:56:04.000 And they went, if you don't, we're going to take you by force.

01:56:07.000 And he went, try me.

01:56:08.000 We got a discombobulator, bro.

01:56:09.000 And they took him.

01:56:10.000 The rest of the Venezuelans, like, we're just like, we just want to be rich.

01:56:13.000 That's right.

01:56:15.000 We'll just take the money.

01:56:16.000 The Iranians, they're so new, the new government.

01:56:18.000 I think their internet's out.

01:56:19.000 I think it's been out for 50 plus days.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, oh, yeah.

01:56:22.000 So when they get internet and they see that the civilian reaction wants a new government, that's when they'll capitulate.

01:56:27.000 I don't believe that.

01:56:28.000 They don't care.

01:56:28.000 No way.

01:56:29.000 There's no internal pressure right now.

01:56:30.000 I do not believe the majority of Iran wants a revolution.

01:56:34.000 So, the way I've explained it is imagine what Iran is doing to the people in Iran.

01:56:39.000 They're showing videos of BLM protests and ICE protests saying the people of America are desperately fighting an evil regime and they're calling for Trump to be removed.

01:56:46.000 And Trump killed two innocent people because he won't give up power.

01:56:50.000 And Soleimani, they're driving out of him.

01:56:52.000 Exactly.

01:56:53.000 But we know it's a fringe element that is protesting and it was two people, which was bad, but there were circumstances involved in that.

01:56:59.000 So, we see these big stories of mass protests and we're told by our government the people of Iran want a revolution.

01:57:05.000 And I say, Sure.

01:57:07.000 Play the propaganda game.

01:57:08.000 I do believe there's probably a decent percentage, double digits, that want a revolution.

01:57:11.000 No question.

01:57:12.000 The overwhelming majority are probably like, we're being attacked by America.

01:57:15.000 F them.

01:57:15.000 Right.

01:57:16.000 What I've heard is like 25% of the people are actually pro Iranian regime, 25% are very, very anti Iranian regime, and 50% of the people are like, man, I just want to go to war.

01:57:26.000 And a lot of these Persians fled.

01:57:27.000 That's the ones who would be the most likely to be in favor of this revolution.

01:57:31.000 They're not in Iran anymore.

01:57:33.000 Quantum Strange Quarks is I asked Michael this question, and his answer saved my sanity.

01:57:33.000 This is a good one.

01:57:38.000 What is the most important political lesson you have learned?

01:57:38.000 Oh, okay.

01:57:41.000 Answer political discourse is virtually always pointless, disingenuous, and frankly impossible.

01:57:46.000 Oh, well, you're welcome.

01:57:48.000 But it's just like, what utility does it have for you to convert someone to your political point of view?

01:57:54.000 Are they going to be there when your mom passes away and you could call her?

01:57:57.000 What's more important to you?

01:57:58.000 The most important political lesson that I learned is that no one, not a single person anywhere at any point is smarter than Michael Mills.

01:58:05.000 I don't think that's true.

01:58:07.000 Yeah, but there's way people who are way smarter than me.

01:58:07.000 You're pretty smart.

01:58:10.000 It's called the president's.

01:58:11.000 Yeah, it's called Everybody in Congress.

01:58:13.000 Political discourse.

01:58:14.000 Everybody in Congress.

01:58:15.000 I mean, including Nancy Mace.

01:58:17.000 Political discourse can get a little like self serving, but educating the young people so that when you're retiring, it will not guide you.

01:58:25.000 I don't regard that as discourse.

01:58:27.000 I want to say this.

01:58:28.000 We had Kyla, not so erudite, on for a couple days, for three days, when we were in Austin.

01:58:33.000 She's a lefty.

01:58:34.000 She's a super lefty.

01:58:35.000 But she's nice to us and she's willing to have conversations.

01:58:38.000 And I respect that.

01:58:39.000 So we invited her to come out and come on the show.

01:58:41.000 However, probably the biggest point of contention was.

01:58:44.000 When we brought up the story about Kathy Hochul saying we have to go to Palm Beach to get the wealthy back, she said that didn't happen.

01:58:50.000 And I said, Here's the video of her saying it.

01:58:51.000 And she goes, It's the New York Post.

01:58:53.000 And I said, Here are 13 different stories explaining that wealthy people are leaving New York because of taxes.

01:58:53.000 It's wrong.

01:58:58.000 And she goes, It's fake news.

01:58:59.000 Tim, we earlier brought up.

01:59:01.000 I get it.

01:59:02.000 I'm just going for the audience.

01:59:03.000 That Charlottesville tape.

01:59:04.000 And I said, If you played it to lefties, and she seems to be an honest lefty, broadly speaking, the way you describe her, what percent of them would be converted?

01:59:12.000 You said 65%.

01:59:13.000 Oh, that's incorrect.

01:59:14.000 I said default liberals as described by Andrew Breitbart.

01:59:16.000 Okay.

01:59:17.000 What are you categorizing as default liberals?

01:59:19.000 A default liberal is a guy or a woman.

01:59:20.000 They don't watch the news all that much.

01:59:21.000 Okay, that's very different.

01:59:23.000 But they believe Trump is.

01:59:23.000 Okay.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, Okay, that's very different.

01:59:25.000 Right.

01:59:26.000 Lefties are going to be like, I'll say whatever I have to say for power.

01:59:28.000 And just, we saw that with the guy with the children getting the trans surgeries.

01:59:32.000 It's like, nope, nope, nope, nope.

01:59:34.000 There's nothing you could show them that's going to change.

01:59:35.000 But my favorite example is one of the greatest poker players of all time.

01:59:39.000 I'm sorry.

01:59:40.000 I don't want to move up.

01:59:41.000 So she just said it's not true, even if she saw the video?

01:59:44.000 Yes.

01:59:44.000 And then she asked, I believe it was ChetGPT, That said, around 2% of people flee due to high taxes.

01:59:51.000 And I said, that's fantastic for a general nationwide study.

01:59:54.000 In New York, the public budget is showing they lost, was it like $10 billion in revenue or whatever?

02:00:01.000 Gosh, holy crap.

02:00:02.000 Maybe it was like.

02:00:02.000 California's seen the same.

02:00:03.000 No, no, it's $10 billion in income, which would have translated.

02:00:05.000 I mean, yeah, that's still a huge deal.

02:00:06.000 But I want to give this.

02:00:07.000 It's a really great example.

02:00:08.000 What was her reaction, though?

02:00:09.000 She just kept denying it.

02:00:10.000 She said, first of all, she said the New York Post is a bad source.

02:00:12.000 Fine.

02:00:13.000 And then I said, here's a bunch of other sources.

02:00:14.000 She goes, this is not true.

02:00:15.000 And I said, do you think they're all fake news?

02:00:17.000 And she said, yes.

02:00:19.000 And I said, do you think that Kathy Hoka believes fake news?

02:00:21.000 She goes, yes.

02:00:22.000 And I said, okay, if we can't agree on what is simply being reported from a stage where we can smoke.

02:00:27.000 Where are we going to go?

02:00:28.000 But I want to make this example because one of the greatest poker players of all time, Daniel Negrano, he's a liberal dude, a Canadian vegan guy.

02:00:35.000 Oh, God.

02:00:36.000 And he's a raging.

02:00:37.000 Who's a raging lib, right?

02:00:39.000 And there's another of the greatest poker players ever, Mike Madison, who was friends with Daniel and who's a Trump guy.

02:00:48.000 And he would try to explain to Daniel when he's wrong and they would argue until one fateful day when Mike Madison said, I took my phone, pulled up the video of Trump speaking, and I said, You are wrong, watch.

02:01:03.000 And he pressed play and slid it across the table and Daniel went, Fine, and looked.

02:01:08.000 And then after watching the video, he went, Wow, I didn't know that.

02:01:13.000 And instantly said, Tell me more.

02:01:16.000 He is very liberal in many ways.

02:01:18.000 Sure.

02:01:18.000 He's a vegan Canadian guy.

02:01:20.000 But he said, Wow, I was wrong about that.

02:01:23.000 But that's what a smart, normal person does.

02:01:25.000 The default libs might be very excitable because they don't pay attention to the news.

02:01:30.000 That's a low, low propensity.

02:01:32.000 What's the low something voter?

02:01:33.000 Low propensity voter.

02:01:34.000 Low information frequency.

02:01:35.000 Yeah.

02:01:36.000 It's the thing about high information.

02:01:37.000 Low wisdom is you think you know the truth and it's hard to see how you could be wrong.

02:01:41.000 Michael makes the best point ever.

02:01:41.000 I would hold on.

02:01:43.000 Why would the weatherman lie to you?

02:01:45.000 Right.

02:01:45.000 And so for someone like Daniel Negrano, he's not a news guy, he's a poker guy.

02:01:49.000 So he passively hears news, he sees the TV, and he's thinking to himself, I just saw that report.

02:01:54.000 They're not lying.

02:01:55.000 Someone's trying to convince him that's all fake.

02:01:58.000 It's just like, bro, I'm not going to trust you over the news.

02:02:01.000 And then you show him the video, and then he went, Wow.

02:02:05.000 Michael, that point that you made, like trying to explain this to someone is trying to explain to a person that not only is the weatherman not wrong, he's lying to you.

02:02:15.000 That's what it sounds like.

02:02:17.000 And it's such a great way to articulate it because That seems like such an absurd thing.

02:02:22.000 You're a lunatic.

02:02:23.000 Yeah.

02:02:24.000 You're literally a lunatic.

02:02:25.000 Why am I even talking to you?

02:02:26.000 What do you mean?

02:02:26.000 Right.

02:02:27.000 You know, like the weatherman is lying.

02:02:29.000 All of them?

02:02:30.000 Yeah.

02:02:30.000 Are you stupid?

02:02:31.000 How would they even have a job?

02:02:32.000 Yeah.

02:02:33.000 Truth be told, most of them are not giving you adequate information, but they're not lying.

02:02:36.000 Right.

02:02:37.000 I think they're telling you the truth.

02:02:38.000 They just don't have the information.

02:02:39.000 But here's where you're trying to tell you to the best of their abilities, but they're speculating.

02:02:42.000 Here's where you and I disagree.

02:02:43.000 Like the number of people, I think that ceiling for the people who could become like, oh crap, is much lower than you do.

02:02:51.000 I'm not talking about leftists.

02:02:52.000 No, I'm talking about even default liberals.

02:02:55.000 I still think it's a minority.

02:02:56.000 There's liberals.

02:02:58.000 There's conservatives.

02:02:59.000 And there's default liberals.

02:02:59.000 Right.

02:03:00.000 I'm talking about default liberals.

02:03:01.000 Default liberal doesn't mean someone who waves the Ukrainian flag.

02:03:04.000 It means a regular, uninitiated person.

02:03:04.000 I understand.

02:03:06.000 I agree.

02:03:06.000 And they vote liberal because they don't know better.

02:03:08.000 And I'm saying that number is lower.

02:03:08.000 I agree.

02:03:11.000 My guess as to what number that is is lower than yours.

02:03:14.000 I don't think so.

02:03:14.000 I think the default libs are the people who watch Joe Rogan.

02:03:17.000 I hear you, but I still think it's a low slip.

02:03:20.000 Because a lot of it also means it's who you surround yourself with.

02:03:22.000 That's true.

02:03:23.000 Because if you're going to be like Trump's not that bad for many people, that.

02:03:26.000 F's up their whole life.

02:03:27.000 The point Breitbart was making is that there are people who don't pay attention to politics in the least, but when they go to the voting booth, they check Democrat.

02:03:35.000 Correct.

02:03:35.000 These people can be convinced by arguments.

02:03:37.000 Correct.

02:03:38.000 My point is the percent of them that can be convinced, if I had to guess the number, is lower than the percent you would guess.

02:03:43.000 Perhaps.

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02:05:07.000 The world is a very important part

02:05:52.000 of the world.

02:05:54.000 And The world is a very important part of the world.

02:06:03.000 And Oh boy, we got drama.

02:06:14.000 We got drama for all you guys.

02:06:15.000 Here we go.

02:06:16.000 What is it?

02:06:17.000 Here's Blake Neff.

02:06:19.000 During the ASU event, we got a question about Miss Erica Kirk becoming the new leader of Turning Point.

02:06:23.000 My answer there was absolutely no doubt whose Charlie successor was Charlie New.

02:06:26.000 And we know you want to pull this up?

02:06:28.000 Yeah.

02:06:29.000 It's because when Charlie was alive, people repeatedly asked, Charlie, we're worried something will happen to him.

02:06:35.000 People always speculated that something could happen to Charlie.

02:06:37.000 And when he was asked, he would, first of all, he was totally fearless.

02:06:41.000 He would just say, like, oh, it'll be fine.

02:06:43.000 Erica will take over for me.

02:06:44.000 That is what he said over and over.

02:06:46.000 I saw them interact all the time, almost on a daily basis.

02:06:50.000 Even when he was traveling, he was calling her all the time, he was talking to her all the time.

02:06:55.000 Charlie and Erica were partners, they were husband and wife in a deep way.

02:06:59.000 Their marriage was incredibly admirable.

02:07:01.000 I've seen a lot of marriages.

02:07:03.000 Some of them are good, some of them are bad.

02:07:05.000 Charlie and Erica's was exceptional, they were on the same wavelength.

02:07:09.000 I saw how much that relationship, I didn't know Erica as well prior to Charlie's death, but especially in the wake of it, I saw how much everything he'd done meant to her and how completely committed she was to fulfilling his mission, what he had done in life.

02:07:24.000 That she knew the life I thought I was going to live has changed very abruptly, but I am fearlessly going to embrace the new one because I know it's what I have to do for my husband and for his legacy.

02:07:36.000 That is the reason she was put front and center.

02:07:38.000 And she hasn't really, she's become the CEO of the organization because that is what.

02:07:43.000 Charlie wanted, and it's because I saw it with all the people who were senior at Turning Point.

02:07:48.000 There wasn't even a question that that is what was happening.

02:07:51.000 This is Blake Neff.

02:07:52.000 Oh, that's Blake speaking.

02:07:53.000 Candace Owen says, Love this.

02:07:53.000 Okay.

02:07:54.000 Can you please release the video you shot in Aspen of him naming her as his successor a couple of weeks before he died?

02:08:01.000 Just feel that it would go a long way.

02:08:02.000 And he says, Candace, We haven't bothered playing it because we know psychopathic predators like yourself do not care what is true or false, and normal evidentiary logic has no effect on you.

02:08:11.000 You're the kind of person who sees coded messages in the number 33, but then ignores evidence like DNA on a rifle or Tyler Robinson's own family members turning him in.

02:08:20.000 Playing the audio at Amfest already wasn't enough.

02:08:22.000 You'll obviously just say it's AI or a hologram or an Israeli actor or something.

02:08:26.000 So, what's the point?

02:08:27.000 We give it the possibility of any good faith conversation with you months ago.

02:08:30.000 It's like trying to reason with a maniac brandishing a knife and screaming at people on the subway.

02:08:34.000 You're the same thing.

02:08:36.000 Do you know about Kenneth Owens' number 33 thing?

02:08:41.000 Before you answer that, I'm just going to ask one thing.

02:08:43.000 I forget who I was talking to, and they were saying that she was saying that Charlie Kirk told her he's a time traveler.

02:08:49.000 Yes.

02:08:49.000 And that he came to her repeatedly in dreams.

02:08:50.000 She's off this as evidence.

02:08:52.000 But when I heard this, I'm like, okay, people are joking about it.

02:08:52.000 Hold on.

02:08:56.000 And I'm like, oh, and whenever I listen to someone who was online, I think, what would be the point where I'm like, all right, I'm done with Phil?

02:09:03.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:04.000 And one would have thought.

02:09:06.000 Well, what's your proof for this?

02:09:07.000 Well, Phil came to me in a dream.

02:09:08.000 And it's like, okay, like, and the fact that people aren't leaving the room then, I'm like, I don't know what to say at this point.

02:09:13.000 So Candace believes that the number.

02:09:17.000 Says she believes it.

02:09:18.000 Yeah.

02:09:19.000 That the number 33 is appearing everywhere because it's not an exaggeration.

02:09:23.000 The cult is intentionally.

02:09:26.000 It's called the cult.

02:09:28.000 Yeah.

02:09:28.000 Okay.

02:09:29.000 Is putting the number 33 everywhere to signal to other cult members what their agenda is.

02:09:33.000 I don't know.

02:09:33.000 Expedition 33 is a popular video game right now.

02:09:36.000 It's 46.

02:09:36.000 It's not called 33.

02:09:37.000 This is called Apiphenia.

02:09:39.000 And it is a symptom of paranoid schizophrenia.

02:09:42.000 Famously, like the movie The Number 23, where Jim Carrey starts ranting about how the number 23 is appearing everywhere, losing his mind.

02:09:49.000 23.

02:09:50.000 I saw it right now.

02:09:52.000 If you're looking for it, you're going to see it.

02:09:54.000 That's, yep.

02:09:55.000 Out of sight, out of mind, and the inverse.

02:09:57.000 If you think of it, you'll see it.

02:09:59.000 I spent a weekend, oh God.

02:10:01.000 I hosted the QAnon shaman at my house.

02:10:03.000 Good.

02:10:04.000 And his, we did a show together, me and him.

02:10:07.000 His pattern recognition is off the charts.

02:10:09.000 So we're walking along Austin.

02:10:11.000 He goes, See that?

02:10:12.000 That's a rabbit.

02:10:13.000 And across the street, that's a star.

02:10:14.000 What does that mean?

02:10:16.000 And whatever the things were, he had a connection because he was seeing connections that I wasn't.

02:10:20.000 Schizophrenia?

02:10:21.000 I don't, I'm not going to speak.

02:10:22.000 I don't know.

02:10:23.000 But the point is, if you're someone who's like 33, why, why with, why 33?

02:10:23.000 I can't speak to that.

02:10:27.000 Well, honestly, I think Kenneth just makes this stuff up.

02:10:29.000 No, but I mean, why is she making him 33 and not 17?

02:10:33.000 Because three is a power number?

02:10:34.000 But why not three?

02:10:34.000 Three is easier to find angel numbers.

02:10:37.000 I don't know.

02:10:37.000 Like 333, 222, 111.

02:10:39.000 Honestly, I think it's a break, a psychological break.

02:10:42.000 I used to look at signs and think I was seeing the signs when I was deeply disturbed.

02:10:47.000 And it's like, bro, sometimes you just got to like form natural reality.

02:10:51.000 I would argue that she's paranoid schizophrenic, but I don't think that's true.

02:10:55.000 I think she knows exactly what she's doing.

02:10:58.000 I disagree.

02:10:59.000 I think she's BPD.

02:11:01.000 I think since Charlie died, she's gone more to life.

02:11:03.000 Since Charlie died, bro, she got fired from Daily Wire.

02:11:07.000 She's always been a firebrand, but she got fired because she was like, Bridget Macron has a dick.

02:11:11.000 She like fell into madness in a way.

02:11:13.000 Fell into?

02:11:14.000 Yeah, after Charlie Brown.

02:11:15.000 I think the Brigitte Macron is a penis thing.

02:11:17.000 That was not going to be.

02:11:18.000 During the Daily Wire, like, why do you say BBT?

02:11:21.000 Okay, so, okay, let me break this down.

02:11:24.000 You know how, like, if we look back to the kids these days, can you pull a picture of Liberace?

02:11:29.000 That's what we need more.

02:11:30.000 Pull him up for the kids.

02:11:30.000 Sure.

02:11:32.000 Sure.

02:11:32.000 So Liberace, yeah.

02:11:34.000 In the 60s, Liberace full screened him.

02:11:37.000 Look at that, like a smiling face.

02:11:38.000 I'll find a big one.

02:11:39.000 This guy looks like you, Michael.

02:11:40.000 Not big enough.

02:11:41.000 Shut it.

02:11:42.000 I'm not going to tell the story.

02:11:43.000 Go on, go on.

02:11:44.000 I misspoke.

02:11:45.000 So Liberace would tell people he's straight.

02:11:48.000 And fans of Liberace would say, well, that's just the actor playing him, I think, in a movie.

02:11:52.000 Fans, people would be like, well, have you ever seen him?

02:11:54.000 Can we curse now?

02:11:55.000 Yes.

02:11:56.000 Have you ever seen him sucking dick?

02:11:57.000 You're just saying that, blah, blah, blah.

02:11:59.000 And you look back and look at that guy.

02:12:01.000 Yeah, blow up the one on the right.

02:12:02.000 Yeah, look, I can't blow it up.

02:12:03.000 Okay.

02:12:03.000 Yeah.

02:12:05.000 Point being, if you know what BPD looks like and you've had to deal with someone with borderline, you can see it from space.

02:12:11.000 And if you haven't, it's like, what are you, what, just because he has a piano, just because he's got a cloak, what does that have to do with sucking dick?

02:12:18.000 And have you had to deal with BPD people?

02:12:18.000 It's the same.

02:12:21.000 My ex wife.

02:12:23.000 Yeah.

02:12:24.000 It was rough.

02:12:24.000 They always double down and it's always attack and they will cut off their arm to take a piece of hair off your head.

02:12:31.000 Well, it's aggression.

02:12:32.000 You know what gay face is, right?

02:12:33.000 Yeah, it's that.

02:12:34.000 It's a thing.

02:12:36.000 Gay face is a thing.

02:12:37.000 It is.

02:12:39.000 What are you talking about, Tim?

02:12:41.000 He's just a piano player.

02:12:42.000 So, no, no, no.

02:12:43.000 Gay face is a real thing.

02:12:44.000 I know, I know.

02:12:44.000 I'm just saying with that Bibi Bashi photo.

02:12:46.000 A contested study based concept suggesting that gay individuals may exhibit subtle, statistically distinct facial features compared to heterosexuals.

02:12:51.000 Oh, God.

02:12:52.000 Eyes open, kind of wide with a mouth open.

02:12:52.000 Yeah.

02:12:54.000 I see why you're hiding your sunglasses on.

02:12:56.000 Can you tell?

02:12:57.000 I mean, you showed up a little earlier than I was expecting.

02:13:00.000 Gay face isn't about like.

02:13:01.000 Look at this.

02:13:02.000 International Journal of Psychology gay people have different faces from straight people.

02:13:06.000 People can guess someone's sexual orientation with 67% accuracy by the first time.

02:13:09.000 I think it's also their affect.

02:13:11.000 Yeah.

02:13:14.000 I saw a dramatic change in Candace.

02:13:16.000 If it was more of a subtle change after Charlie died, gradually than suddenly.

02:13:20.000 Yeah, before she was, I was always like, she'd be an actor.

02:13:23.000 In a sane world, she'd be an actor.

02:13:25.000 Because everything's so sick politically, she got into politics.

02:13:28.000 Similar to Thomas Jefferson.

02:13:29.000 He would have been an actor.

02:13:30.000 He said it himself.

02:13:30.000 He was like, you have the option of making, you're taking away the responsibility.

02:13:34.000 You guys, you're all wrong.

02:13:35.000 We're on a politics show.

02:13:35.000 Candace Owens.

02:13:36.000 Tim's like a funny dude.

02:13:37.000 He was an actor.

02:13:38.000 One of the first alien hybrids that was brought together, according to Matt Gaetz, so that humans could communicate with the aliens.

02:13:46.000 And they're using her to control the masses because she's allegiant to the alien.

02:13:51.000 You're just saying black people aren't humans.

02:13:52.000 That's what you're saying.

02:13:53.000 We all heard it.

02:13:54.000 I don't see race.

02:13:55.000 Can you tell people what BPD looks like?

02:13:59.000 I remember there was a lot of the I hate you, don't leave me stuff.

02:14:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:03.000 A lot of the, you know, I'm going to leave you, I'm going to leave you, I'm going to leave you.

02:14:08.000 And then as soon as you say, or as soon as I say, okay, fine, then it was like, no, don't leave me.

02:14:13.000 Very much kind of like love bombing when things are okay.

02:14:17.000 And then when things are.

02:14:18.000 It's like a switch.

02:14:18.000 It's a switch.

02:14:19.000 Yeah, it's like a switch.

02:14:21.000 Yep.

02:14:21.000 Or none of them, excuse me.

02:14:22.000 Yeah.

02:14:23.000 A lot of, also, there was, at least with her, there was a lot of secrecy.

02:14:28.000 She didn't want me to know about certain parts of her past, people that had been in her life.

02:14:35.000 And I think a lot of that has to do with because of the way that the relationships ended up.

02:14:38.000 Yeah, because they always had the same pattern.

02:14:40.000 And she didn't want anything to do with getting to know my family, really.

02:14:44.000 Wow.

02:14:45.000 So I would be like, hey, we're going to go.

02:14:48.000 Is she still on the attack?

02:14:50.000 We haven't spoken in years.

02:14:51.000 No, but usually they just, they don't stop.

02:14:54.000 No, last couple times, last time she tried to reach out to me and contact me was like 2021.

02:15:01.000 Oh, you're lucky.

02:15:03.000 Okay.

02:15:03.000 Yeah, and I just stopped responding.

02:15:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:06.000 You're lucky.

02:15:06.000 Good.

02:15:07.000 Amber Heard's another example.

02:15:09.000 Liberace claimed he was never gay.

02:15:13.000 That's because of the desire.

02:15:15.000 You actually go to Liberace music the desire?

02:15:18.000 Yeah, it's the sucking dickian.

02:15:20.000 It was a 22 year old claim that he was his lover and was owed money, and he denied it.

02:15:20.000 It's the dickian.

02:15:25.000 And he never publicly acknowledged that he was gay.

02:15:29.000 Betty White outed him.

02:15:30.000 I don't think Queen did either.

02:15:32.000 Like Freddie Mercury.

02:15:33.000 Really?

02:15:34.000 Yeah, he was black.

02:15:34.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:15:35.000 Liberace had HIV.

02:15:36.000 That proves it.

02:15:38.000 So he's either gay, a drug addict, or black.

02:15:41.000 That sounds like a vampire.

02:15:43.000 You know, I love Queen.

02:15:47.000 Don't stop me now.

02:15:48.000 But in hindsight, someone probably should have.

02:15:51.000 Oh, God.

02:15:52.000 Sure, they tried.

02:15:53.000 Really?

02:15:54.000 Not even really a joke, you know?

02:15:56.000 The song is literally about him doing all the things that led to his death.

02:16:00.000 It's not about, I don't think the song's about all the things, because I think the lyrics don't mention that.

02:16:05.000 Like, they're all metaphors.

02:16:06.000 Oh, okay.

02:16:07.000 On a rocket ship to Mars, he's like doing drugs and having sex and orgies and all this crazy shit.

02:16:13.000 And then it killed him.

02:16:15.000 So, you wait.

02:16:16.000 So, to our point, you think Candace is if she's well, I've met her on several occasions and she is lucid, right?

02:16:25.000 And very astute.

02:16:27.000 Like, when discussing, like, backstage for a show, talking about the goings on of the world, she is clear and accurate and.

02:16:36.000 Lucid and functioning and present.

02:16:38.000 Okay.

02:16:38.000 Kanye West is as well.

02:16:39.000 Okay.

02:16:39.000 So, as the cameras turn on, Ye, behind the scenes, Ye was talking like this, like, you know, I was watching what Elon was doing.

02:16:46.000 It was really interesting because, and that's the kind of conversation.

02:16:48.000 And then we're sitting down and that's how he's talking.

02:16:50.000 He's like, yeah, yeah.

02:16:52.000 Milo, what do you think about Elon?

02:16:53.000 Because he's working with Jews now, isn't he?

02:16:55.000 Like he did some kind of ritual.

02:16:56.000 It was very calm.

02:16:58.000 Camera goes on.

02:16:59.000 Y'all, man, I'm going to tell you that while saying your, bro.

02:17:02.000 It's Jasmine Crockett.

02:17:03.000 And I'm like, what just happened?

02:17:05.000 Jasmine Crockett's like that too.

02:17:06.000 We were having fun.

02:17:07.000 In this age with this technology, It's like, are we performing or are we being real?

02:17:10.000 So, you think she's not crazy?

02:17:11.000 She's just making things up?

02:17:13.000 Well, the 33 thing, I'm like, you know, maybe she might be crazy.

02:17:16.000 But again, she's been on this show.

02:17:19.000 She's come in.

02:17:19.000 We've hung out.

02:17:20.000 And when you're hanging out with her, there's presence.

02:17:23.000 You know, like, I don't know if you've ever met a schizophrenic.

02:17:27.000 I assume probably.

02:17:28.000 I actually do know some diagnosed schizophrenics.

02:17:28.000 Probably, yeah.

02:17:30.000 They're not present.

02:17:31.000 Meaning, like.

02:17:32.000 That's why I'm saying she's not schizophrenic.

02:17:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:17:36.000 I think she's calculating and she knows what she's lying about.

02:17:38.000 Yes, a BPD case, they go for the attack.

02:17:40.000 They're not like, I don't, but there's something called the BPD stare where they have a vacant glazed overlook.

02:17:46.000 They're not present.

02:17:47.000 She was present.

02:17:48.000 Like, so there are people, like, there's people that I'm sure you've met that you feel like they're not in their mind.

02:17:56.000 They're looking through you.

02:17:57.000 Oh, no, that's not them.

02:17:58.000 Okay.

02:17:58.000 I thought you were a nice, made icon.

02:17:59.000 No, I know exactly what you mean.

02:18:00.000 Like, you're not invisible to them.

02:18:02.000 My point, so you think she's just making this stuff up?

02:18:05.000 I think that she is incredibly intelligent and knows how to game the system.

02:18:10.000 I think that's true, too.

02:18:11.000 It's also possible that she's married to a British lord and her lawyers are working in a building with federal agents for some reason, and it may be on purpose.

02:18:16.000 But I like she's not making it up, but it's being made up for her.

02:18:21.000 Okay.

02:18:22.000 I think if someone's going on about with a straight face saying, Charlie came to me in a dream, there's something a little bit wrong there.

02:18:29.000 It works for dumb people, but let me, where's that stupid fucking tweet?

02:18:33.000 It's Rick.

02:18:34.000 She's in a deep seated room.

02:18:35.000 I have this funny Twitter throw with Milo.

02:18:36.000 Oh, this one right here.

02:18:38.000 Take a look at this.

02:18:40.000 I've talked about this quite a bit because this is like the sixth or seventh time I have seen an AI generated, I am done with Candace.

02:18:47.000 I am done.

02:18:48.000 I am done with Tim Cast.

02:18:48.000 Done with Tucker.

02:18:50.000 And it's funny because the comments always have someone going, Why is Tim Cast here?

02:18:54.000 Yeah.

02:18:54.000 Oh, is that right?

02:18:55.000 Yeah.

02:18:56.000 The point is, there is very obviously a coordinated operation going on.

02:19:02.000 People aren't randomly just putting my name in a list of people I've criticized or Jack Posobic for that matter.

02:19:07.000 Like, why is Jack with Kenneth?

02:19:07.000 Right.

02:19:08.000 He's turning point.

02:19:09.000 I just had him on my show last week.

02:19:10.000 It was a great interview.

02:19:11.000 People were all salty for some reason.

02:19:13.000 I don't know why.

02:19:14.000 That's the point.

02:19:15.000 Oh.

02:19:16.000 There is clearly some kind of.

02:19:18.000 Op going on right now to say these people are persona non grata.

02:19:23.000 Now, I don't know.

02:19:24.000 I'm not the smartest guy in the world.

02:19:25.000 I can look at a few patterns.

02:19:26.000 You aren't?

02:19:28.000 Certainly not.

02:19:29.000 These people are breaking from Trump, notably.

02:19:32.000 Yes.

02:19:32.000 I'm not, and Pasobic's not.

02:19:34.000 One theory is they expect Trump to be on the way out.

02:19:38.000 The Democrats are nuking the progressives.

02:19:41.000 The establishment wants to eliminate the progressives and eliminate the fringes of the right.

02:19:45.000 So there's a couple ways we can look at it.

02:19:47.000 This is a maybe.

02:19:48.000 Sure, sure.

02:19:48.000 I don't know for sure.

02:19:49.000 One maybe for this is let's make it so that these people are persona non grata and their careers end.

02:19:57.000 I don't know that that makes the most sense though, because Megyn Kelly is prominent in the media all the time.

02:20:02.000 She seems to think more like guilt by association.

02:20:04.000 There may be a different view of this.

02:20:06.000 To salvage these personalities.

02:20:09.000 The machine state is saying these are the acceptable voices we do want.

02:20:13.000 Trump and the populist right, we are going to excise.

02:20:17.000 Jasmine Crockett, the squad, those members, we're going to excise.

02:20:21.000 We are going to have a moderate center space.

02:20:24.000 If you're MAGA, screw these guys, which pushes us away from MAGA into a different space.

02:20:32.000 So, one of my hypotheses, which again, I don't know the probability, is less than a percent, is that for one, I would say this.

02:20:38.000 I believe there's a preponderance of evidence of a coordinated effort to create a list of non MAGA.

02:20:46.000 Like, if you're MAGA, these people are bad.

02:20:48.000 The Southern Poverty Law Center did this.

02:20:50.000 Exactly.

02:20:51.000 This is the MO, but it's being done from Twitter.

02:20:53.000 Yeah.

02:20:53.000 Because what I would say is Tim Cast and Jack Posabek on the list makes literally no sense unless the narrative machine wants these people to be on a life raft as MAGA sinks.

02:21:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:04.000 That's right.

02:21:05.000 So when MAGA is dead and gone, we will still be here.

02:21:10.000 I don't think that half those names are reliable, established, like you can count on them to toe the party line, whatever party that is.

02:21:17.000 I disagree.

02:21:19.000 You don't think that some of those people lose cannons?

02:21:23.000 Yeah, I don't.

02:21:24.000 Okay.

02:21:25.000 Give me a name.

02:21:26.000 I don't think Candace tows the line.

02:21:29.000 Candace is saying exactly what YouTube wants to promote for some reason.

02:21:33.000 Okay.

02:21:33.000 Sure.

02:21:33.000 But I don't think Candace and you are saying the same thing, is my point.

02:21:35.000 I agree.

02:21:36.000 So if I like one, I'm not going to like the other.

02:21:38.000 My point is.

02:21:38.000 Of course.

02:21:39.000 This is the narrative machine saying, we're going to put these people in a life raft and kick them off MAGA.

02:21:44.000 MAGA's going to sink.

02:21:45.000 And these people obviously don't agree with Megan Kelly and the Hodge twins, Psobek.

02:21:49.000 Like, of course we all disagree.

02:21:50.000 They're saying these are the salvageable personalities from MAGA.

02:21:52.000 MAGA's done.

02:21:53.000 It is an interesting list now that I'm looking at it more.

02:21:56.000 Like Milo, Megan Kelly, the Hodge twins, and MTG.

02:22:02.000 You know what?

02:22:03.000 I mean, honestly.

02:22:03.000 You know who's not on this list?

02:22:04.000 Hold on.

02:22:05.000 No, you listen.

02:22:06.000 You know who's not on this list?

02:22:07.000 Fuentes and Ian Carroll.

02:22:09.000 Is that interesting?

02:22:10.000 Fuentes is banned.

02:22:11.000 No, but he could still say without his tandle, he could use his name.

02:22:14.000 So the reason I have this hypothesis.

02:22:15.000 This is interesting.

02:22:16.000 Why isn't he on this list?

02:22:17.000 Because he does not toe the established.

02:22:20.000 No, but my point is I'm this guy and this is real and I'm putting all these people out there.

02:22:23.000 Oh, right, right, right.

02:22:24.000 Exactly.

02:22:24.000 He should be on that list.

02:22:25.000 It's early ahead of you.

02:22:25.000 Exactly.

02:22:26.000 Candace has been saying vote Democrat.

02:22:28.000 But here's my thing.

02:22:28.000 Yeah.

02:22:30.000 He was never in the acceptable.

02:22:32.000 Let's break this down.

02:22:33.000 I'll make a few points.

02:22:34.000 I see.

02:22:35.000 Real Candace Owens.

02:22:37.000 She is saying things that YouTube is promoting for some reason.

02:22:40.000 Right.

02:22:40.000 YouTube was putting her show in what we call the default front page, which is For the algorithm, people who have never been exposed to her are getting.

02:22:46.000 There are people that I know are apolitical that YouTube is suggesting Candace Owens to, and now they watch religiously.

02:22:51.000 Certainly, the machine wants that.

02:22:53.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene broke from Trump and has now left MAGA, and she is calling out the MAGA machine.

02:22:59.000 Tucker Carlson, he's a mainstream media guy.

02:23:02.000 His dad was CIA.

02:23:04.000 He's, of course, party line.

02:23:05.000 He's friends with Trump.

02:23:07.000 Milo, now, certainly that may be the most anomalous, but what has Milo been saying?

02:23:12.000 Exactly what Tucker and Candace have been saying.

02:23:14.000 He is saying what is.

02:23:17.000 The anti MAGA line.

02:23:19.000 He also has left MAGA.

02:23:20.000 Jack Posobick is a, he is of the internet in the space, but he is also a moderate guy.

02:23:27.000 Yeah.

02:23:28.000 He is an acceptable conservative, not to disemote Ben Shapiro.

02:23:31.000 Me, same thing.

02:23:33.000 I've described myself as a pressure release valve for the right.

02:23:35.000 I think that's fair.

02:23:36.000 That YouTube tolerates this show because I will say just enough for conservatives to feel heard, but not enough to be empowered.

02:23:45.000 So if you are trying to eliminate MAGA, you would love a Timcast.

02:23:50.000 He speaks in a way that MAGA people will at least feel a pressure release, but not extreme enough to where they'll go off the scene.

02:23:57.000 Megyn Kelly's the obvious mainstream, NBC, all of these things.

02:23:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:24:01.000 She's a mainstream media personality who is saying what Candace is saying and agreeing with them.

02:24:05.000 And the Hodge twins is my favorite.

02:24:07.000 You know why?

02:24:08.000 Now, I'm going to be careful here because this is only what's been stated online.

02:24:12.000 Many people have criticized them for this.

02:24:14.000 On Twitter and on Facebook, they are mirror images of each other.

02:24:17.000 What do you mean?

02:24:18.000 What people on X have pointed out, they've posted Facebook things.

02:24:23.000 They have a management company for Facebook that found that diehard MAGA works really well on Facebook because of the boomers.

02:24:31.000 So on Facebook, they're like, Trump can do no wrong.

02:24:34.000 On X, because.

02:24:36.000 Nope.

02:24:37.000 That's just the.

02:24:38.000 So smart.

02:24:39.000 Because the Hodge twins are just media personalities.

02:24:41.000 So on X, they're saying things like the Jews and all that stuff.

02:24:41.000 Yeah, right, yeah.

02:24:45.000 Because basically, what the rumor is, and I'm not saying it's true.

02:24:49.000 Did you know Fauci's Jewish?

02:24:50.000 Well, look at that.

02:24:51.000 Just ask them.

02:24:52.000 They went after Fauci.

02:24:53.000 I don't know if this is true, but the rumor is all of their social media is managed by a company that doesn't care for politics, it cares for engagement.

02:25:02.000 Sure.

02:25:03.000 So on X, it posts whatever gets the most on each platform.

02:25:06.000 So that's a perfect example of why the Hodge twins are acceptable.

02:25:09.000 Wow.

02:25:10.000 Or maybe one thinks one thing, the other thinks the other.

02:25:13.000 Could be.

02:25:15.000 Let's go to collars.

02:25:16.000 Let's go to collars.

02:25:16.000 We got Freedom Eagle.

02:25:18.000 Hey, what's up?

02:25:20.000 What's up?

02:25:21.000 How are you doing, gentlemen?

02:25:22.000 Hello, Freedom Eagle.

02:25:24.000 How are you doing?

02:25:25.000 Well, second time caller, long time watcher.

02:25:29.000 I got a couple of questions here that might be interesting.

02:25:33.000 The first question I kind of want to see if each of you will give an answer is how far is too far when it comes to deportations of migrants?

02:25:44.000 Too far in what sense?

02:25:47.000 What country is too far away?

02:25:48.000 Is it too far away to send to Australia?

02:25:50.000 No, what is the.

02:25:52.000 At what point would we be going too far for it to be acceptable?

02:25:57.000 Oh, I think like a police state.

02:26:01.000 Define police state.

02:26:01.000 I mean, that's.

02:26:02.000 No, I think the fact if every aspect of your life is under surveillance, you clearly cross some line.

02:26:07.000 It's not.

02:26:09.000 It's not openly weaponized in the same way that a police state would be.

02:26:17.000 Is that what you mean?

02:26:18.000 Are you talking about who should stay and who should go?

02:26:21.000 I think it's talking about optics, right?

02:26:23.000 Well, I'm kind of thinking about optics as well as actual function.

02:26:29.000 At what point does it degrade its function?

02:26:31.000 I think I had this tweet before the election, and I said, or right after, I don't remember, I apologize.

02:26:36.000 And I said, guys, Trump's not going to do mass deportations.

02:26:39.000 The space isn't there.

02:26:40.000 And a lot of people disagree with me correctly, and they're like, it's not about the mass deportations.

02:26:46.000 Unhabitable for them, so people leave on their own.

02:26:49.000 Which is, I was very impressed that people had that like shrewd strategic approach.

02:26:52.000 So, I think to your point, it's never really going to be about dragging people out of houses, it's going to be about making an environment where it's inhospitable for them to stay.

02:27:03.000 Yeah, oh geez, until we all move to El Salvador.

02:27:08.000 I had a second part here, and that was the question of everybody's thoughts on transitioning from the current democratic republic into a meritocratic republic.

02:27:21.000 How would that work?

02:27:22.000 Yeah, what does that mean?

02:27:24.000 A meritocratic republic is a civil service requirement for typically politicians.

02:27:33.000 Like Heinlein?

02:27:34.000 First and foremost, or to the degree of for voting rights and whatnot.

02:27:40.000 You could think of, I guess.

02:27:42.000 Who do you think is going to be giving those voting rights tests?

02:27:44.000 It's not going to be you.

02:27:45.000 It's going to be Kamala Harris.

02:27:46.000 And if you didn't get the jab, that proves that you're stupid in their mind.

02:27:51.000 You sort of have a meritocracy with.

02:27:54.000 Capitalism, except people are born into money.

02:27:56.000 So, unless there's still money around, it'd be hard to have a real meritocracy when the rich kid gets.

02:28:02.000 And if I have merit, why am I running for office?

02:28:04.000 I have better things to do.

02:28:06.000 Why am I exposing myself and my family to these attacks?

02:28:11.000 But would it be a productive way to salvage kind of our country?

02:28:17.000 Reverting to service guaranteed citizenship.

02:28:21.000 I just don't think the republic phase of our country is coming to a close.

02:28:25.000 Or coming.

02:28:26.000 You mean the empire phase is here?

02:28:29.000 Well, or a better form of republic, a new word that's not necessarily the republic.

02:28:33.000 Because sending people to go do it for you is sort of breaking down.

02:28:36.000 We have the internet, we have the ability to participate.

02:28:38.000 That's right.

02:28:39.000 And having a binary choice is insane when you could have eight different kinds of Coke.

02:28:39.000 Exactly.

02:28:44.000 Cocaine or Coca Cola?

02:28:46.000 You heard me.

02:28:46.000 All kinds, I guess.

02:28:48.000 Coke with Coca Cola.

02:28:49.000 Fruity Pebble Coke, not the soda.

02:28:51.000 I thought you meant like that coal derivative.

02:28:53.000 By the way, I'm actually quite salty because they made cocoa loops, like Fruit Loops.

02:29:00.000 Why would a toucan be eaten cocoa?

02:29:03.000 The whole point is the toucan's colorful.

02:29:05.000 This is your fault with banning those dyes.

02:29:08.000 Based observation, Michael.

02:29:10.000 It really bothers me as a serial fruit.

02:29:11.000 I did lobby the West Virginia government.

02:29:13.000 Inadvertently, not intentionally.

02:29:13.000 I know.

02:29:14.000 You'll be in jail.

02:29:16.000 All I was talking to a guy, and then I was like, I hope it happens.

02:29:19.000 Jail.

02:29:20.000 Right away, straight away.

02:29:21.000 I'm calling Bukele right now.

02:29:22.000 Bukele, I got one for you.

02:29:26.000 I'm thinking about Republicanism, man.

02:29:29.000 Having a stopgap of a Senate is important because you don't want mob rule.

02:29:34.000 But having that House of Representatives is just a cesspool of people getting bribed.

02:29:40.000 The Senate isn't?

02:29:41.000 It probably is.

02:29:42.000 It's much more of a bribe.

02:29:43.000 I'd be okay getting rid of the representatives at the People could effectively participate, but the Senate is kind of like just in case the people go crazy.

02:29:52.000 The last thing I want is like everybody's vote to like what I agree with you.

02:29:59.000 I say, I know, I know, yeah, yeah.

02:30:00.000 I don't want like true democracy at all.

02:30:03.000 I mean, either.

02:30:04.000 That's like the idea of like, oh, let's make sure everybody votes and everybody's the worst thing that happened in the 90s.

02:30:10.000 Like, everybody has this nostalgia for the 90s.

02:30:12.000 The worst thing that happened in the 90s was rock the vote.

02:30:14.000 MTV should have been taken off the air as soon as they started doing that bullshit.

02:30:18.000 Rock the fuck out.

02:30:18.000 Get out of here.

02:30:19.000 Yeah.

02:30:19.000 It worked for Democrats.

02:30:21.000 It did.

02:30:22.000 Yep.

02:30:22.000 But it convinced people, young people, that, you know, oh, your vote's important.

02:30:27.000 You don't know a goddamn fucking thing.

02:30:30.000 What did the joke of don't vote?

02:30:32.000 Was it South Park?

02:30:34.000 Well, it was shit.

02:30:35.000 No, no, what was it?

02:30:35.000 They went to the black people and they just don't vote.

02:30:38.000 What show was that?

02:30:38.000 I don't remember this.

02:30:40.000 Yeah, there was a show where they went to black people being like, I think it was Cartman.

02:30:43.000 He was like, just don't vote.

02:30:44.000 What's the point?

02:30:45.000 And they're like, yeah, you're right.

02:30:47.000 It was like a sandwich one?

02:30:49.000 I don't know.

02:30:49.000 No, no, no.

02:30:50.000 My buddy the other day was like, I don't know, man.

02:30:50.000 This was a different one.

02:30:52.000 I'm just kind of head in the sand ostrich.

02:30:54.000 I mean, I still vote, but, and I was like, oh, God.

02:30:57.000 That's kind of what I'm trying to avoid people that have no idea what's going on voting.

02:31:01.000 If they can feel better, they're going to do what they want independently who's voted in, as you can see.

02:31:05.000 Dim wits.

02:31:07.000 Dim fools.

02:31:07.000 Yeah.

02:31:09.000 Smart people that don't give a shit about politics.

02:31:13.000 But why should they?

02:31:13.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:31:14.000 They've got, they were trying to run their own lives.

02:31:16.000 You know, I brought up that Plato quote, like, take an interest in politics or it takes an interest in you.

02:31:16.000 Yeah.

02:31:20.000 That's about the only reason.

02:31:21.000 And even that's a vague reason.

02:31:23.000 It must be really hard, like for Ian, being smarter than everybody in our government and having them lord over you.

02:31:23.000 Right.

02:31:30.000 It's a little frustrating, but they're doing the work for me at least.

02:31:33.000 Yeah, the public servants.

02:31:35.000 He works for you.

02:31:36.000 Don't ever forget that.

02:31:37.000 The government works for you.

02:31:38.000 You tell a cop.

02:31:40.000 I love when I watch his videos where the guy goes, You work for me, man.

02:31:43.000 And then he whacks him in the face.

02:31:44.000 It's so painful.

02:31:45.000 Is that what you think?

02:31:46.000 It's so physically painful.

02:31:47.000 Literally, in that case.

02:31:48.000 It is crazy.

02:31:49.000 We're like, You're going to go work for me.

02:31:50.000 They're like, Thanks.

02:31:51.000 As soon as they get there, they're like, Thank God.

02:31:53.000 All these bitches, these idiots.

02:31:54.000 Do we have another caller?

02:31:55.000 Your caller, do you want to add anything or shine anything?

02:31:56.000 I'm sorry, man.

02:31:57.000 I thought you were off the line.

02:32:00.000 I thought you were off the line.

02:32:03.000 I do kind of want to.

02:32:04.000 Shout out all of our armed forces over there.

02:32:06.000 We got the Coast Guards, you know, the Puddle Pirates, the Coasties with the Mosties.

02:32:10.000 We got the Army, you know, our soldiers and warfighters, all about their lethality.

02:32:16.000 We got our Navy, our Marines, you know, those devil dogs.

02:32:20.000 Craneaters.

02:32:21.000 Who has an opinion about those?

02:32:22.000 Craneaters.

02:32:23.000 Yeah.

02:32:25.000 What's your favorite flavor?

02:32:27.000 Red.

02:32:29.000 Good choice.

02:32:30.000 Good choice.

02:32:31.000 And we got the Air Force, you know, the Chair Force.

02:32:33.000 They think they do stuff that's important.

02:32:35.000 All they do is sit around.

02:32:36.000 We got the Space Force.

02:32:37.000 Don't know what those geeks are all about.

02:32:39.000 The National Guard.

02:32:39.000 They're always ready.

02:32:40.000 They're always ready.

02:32:41.000 Yes.

02:32:43.000 That's a compliment.

02:32:44.000 It was, Mr. Hannity.

02:32:49.000 Malice interrupted your question.

02:32:50.000 All right, man.

02:32:52.000 Thanks, ma'am.

02:32:53.000 Well, thank you, sir.

02:32:54.000 Number five.

02:32:55.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:32:56.000 Next up, we've got Kai.

02:32:56.000 All right.

02:32:59.000 Oh, my friend's kidding me.

02:33:00.000 Kai.

02:33:01.000 How's it going?

02:33:02.000 My question is for Malice, Michael, and anybody at the table?

02:33:05.000 Malice, Michael.

02:33:07.000 Yeah.

02:33:07.000 Actually, it's the same name I gave you last year, last time you were on.

02:33:11.000 So, Michael, do you see America?

02:33:12.000 Becoming something similar to the USSR.

02:33:16.000 People have been comparing the current state of America to the fall of Rome.

02:33:19.000 I was wondering if you see America becoming something similar to the USSR or some form of socialist or communist state in the future when the Democrats take back power.

02:33:27.000 Because I'm currently blackpilled.

02:33:30.000 Okay.

02:33:31.000 Brother, don't be blackpilled.

02:33:34.000 Because I promise you, you have a lot of space.

02:33:37.000 I don't know you at all, but you're a guy, so I can make this statement.

02:33:41.000 I promise you, there is a lot of opportunity.

02:33:44.000 In your life, to make your life better, to make yourself better as a person, to improve your circumstances.

02:33:51.000 Do not let the black pill take over you, even if things are going bad politically.

02:33:55.000 You remember, what's the caller's name?

02:33:57.000 Kai.

02:33:58.000 Kai, you remember from 20, I don't know how old.

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