Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Mamdani's COMMIES SWEEP NYC, CIVIL WAR! | Timcast IRL

00:02:34.000 Last night, the DSA trio swept in New York City. 0.81

00:02:39.000 They're calling them Mamdani's commies.

00:02:41.000 And the fascinating thing is that one of these candidates has explicitly called for bringing violence to America to destroy the American empire. 0.63

00:02:49.000 There's an organization she was a part of, a couple of them, that said that their explicit goal is the destruction of Western civilization to bring violence to America and to destroy the American empire.

00:02:49.000 Now, I'll be careful.

00:02:58.000 Literally got the receipts.

00:02:59.000 It's absolutely insane.

00:02:59.000 We'll show you.

00:03:01.000 The fact that these people are now effectively being elected to Congress because it's a Democrat default district is insane.

00:03:08.000 And I don't know how anyone in this country thinks that the right and the left of these totally divergent moral worldviews can ever live together.

00:03:17.000 I'm not trying to be hyperbolic or anything, but do you think, honestly, guys, right now, you can comment.

00:03:24.000 Do you believe we as the United States can have a member of Congress who stated explicitly they are here to bring violence to America to destroy the American empire?

00:03:33.000 What do you think their intentions will be in Congress?

00:03:36.000 Do we think it'll be the betterment of this country or of New York City?

00:03:40.000 Well, my friends, Democrats are certainly learning and they're freaking out, saying, We didn't mean for this to happen when they backed all these squad members and far leftists.

00:03:49.000 So New York is going full, commie.

00:03:51.000 And the funny thing is, even Jesse Waters on Fox was talking about how it's, what is it, 40% foreign born? 0.53

00:03:57.000 Oh, no, no. 0.99

00:03:58.000 Yeah, some massive number.

00:04:00.000 So you have massive voting blocs that do not like America, do not want to support America, that are now voting for representation in our wealthiest city.

00:04:10.000 I don't think this bodes well.

00:04:11.000 Even Donald Trump has issued a warning.

00:04:13.000 So we'll talk a bit about that.

00:04:15.000 And this is not so political, but major earthquakes struck in Japan, California, and Venezuela.

00:04:22.000 Venezuela was hit by two a 7.1 and a 7.5, almost back to back.

00:04:26.000 So people are kind of freaked out about all this, but we'll talk about that.

00:04:31.000 And then I guess the well, we got this story about a woman, the DEI hire.

00:04:37.000 You may have seen where she dumped out the Nix trash can, spilling all the garbage in the street. 0.97

00:04:41.000 My attitude, my view, she represents the left perfectly. 1.00

00:04:44.000 She's fat. 1.00

00:04:46.000 She's a woman of color. 1.00

00:04:47.000 She's marginalized, I'm going to call it. 1.00

00:04:49.000 She's dumping trash into the street to steal from the public. 0.98

00:04:52.000 And I'm like, is that not the left these days?

00:04:55.000 So we'll talk about all that.

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00:06:08.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Alex Berenson.

00:06:12.000 Thanks for having me.

00:06:13.000 Who are you?

00:06:13.000 What do you do?

00:06:16.000 Some of your viewers may know me from COVID when I sort of became known as a skeptic of lockdowns and school closures, and then.

00:06:24.000 And then I questioned the mRNA vaccines pretty thoroughly.

00:06:28.000 Got kicked off Twitter for that.

00:06:31.000 Sued my way back on with the help of a lawyer who represents us both, the great James Lawrence.

00:06:38.000 And now I have the Unreported Truth Substack, which is my main form of communication.

00:06:46.000 I've got a couple hundred thousand readers who, you know, generally I'm generally writing about health and the slow motion collapse of the American medical system.

00:06:58.000 You're winning this lawsuit over censorship and stuff is still ongoing.

00:07:01.000 It's still, yes, it's still ongoing.

00:07:03.000 I'm suing Pfizer now.

00:07:04.000 So, I sued Twitter.

00:07:06.000 They put me back on in July of 2022 before Elon bought it.

00:07:13.000 As far as I know, I'm the only person ever to have forced my way back on after a ban rather than being let on, like Elon kind of let everybody back on.

00:07:23.000 And then in 2023, I sued the federal government and Pfizer over their role in coercing Twitter to ban me.

00:07:31.000 And that lawsuit, I've settled the federal portion of it.

00:07:34.000 I settled it last month with the federal government and received a payout and an acknowledgement that the government had put what they called substantial coercive pressure on Twitter to ban me in 2021.

00:07:46.000 But I'm still suing Scott Gottlieb, Dr. Scott Gottlieb, and Dr. Albert Borla.

00:07:52.000 Scott Gottlieb is the former FDA commissioner under Trump, who moved.

00:08:00.000 He's back in sort of private industry.

00:08:01.000 He's on the Pfizer board and he helped.

00:08:06.000 Coerced Twitter to ban me, and Albert Borla is the chairman of Pfizer.

00:08:10.000 So, yes.

00:08:11.000 So, this is going to be pretty interesting.

00:08:12.000 So, thanks for hanging out.

00:08:13.000 We have a lot to talk about.

00:08:14.000 It's good to have you.

00:08:15.000 We got the boys hanging out.

00:08:16.000 What's going on, guys?

00:08:17.000 Twice in one week.

00:08:18.000 How are you doing?

00:08:19.000 It's Brett, normally doing PCC live Monday through Friday at 3 p.m., but let's get into politics.

00:08:23.000 How are you doing, Phil?

00:08:25.000 Hello, everybody.

00:08:25.000 My name is Phil Abonte.

00:08:26.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:08:28.000 Ian Crossland cannot change the weather, but he's here.

00:08:31.000 Oh, that's a deep, that's a very bold spot.

00:08:34.000 No, it's not the climate.

00:08:35.000 You say you can make it rain as a bold spot.

00:08:37.000 It's so mundane.

00:08:38.000 I seek to, you gotta uncover why you believe that if you're gonna make a statement.

00:08:42.000 Because people can't!

00:08:43.000 Hey, Carter Banks.

00:08:44.000 He probably watches nothing but Gaia.com like all day.

00:08:47.000 I got this outfit off of a cowboy that I looted.

00:08:51.000 I was just waiting for a moment to make that.

00:08:52.000 This is the Rand Paul shirt for the Duster.

00:08:55.000 This is the dead cowboy, all of it, dude.

00:08:56.000 I just looted it off of a cowboy's corpse.

00:08:58.000 I'm not a cowboy.

00:08:59.000 Where did the hat come from?

00:09:00.000 It's pretty good.

00:09:00.000 It's stolen valor.

00:09:01.000 Probably a thirst for goodwill.

00:09:02.000 Dude, Alex, I stole in cowboy valor.

00:09:04.000 I was.

00:09:05.000 Originally, I wasn't scheduled tonight, but Alex, your stuff is like some of the tip of the spear, dude.

00:09:11.000 Because we're headed towards this corporate governance future.

00:09:13.000 It seems like that's in one way or another.

00:09:15.000 We either go in Trump's vision or in the World Economic Forum's vision.

00:09:18.000 And your ability to resist the corporate tyranny was exquisite.

00:09:23.000 I guess it's still ongoing.

00:09:24.000 So you can.

00:09:25.000 Well, I'm hopeful that the second circuit of appeals, which is overseeing my case, will hear oral arguments in this later this year.

00:09:37.000 And I'm very, very hopeful that they will say the suit can move forward and that we can get discovery, meaning.

00:09:42.000 That Pfizer will have to turn over some documents and that we'll be able to question these folks under oath.

00:09:47.000 Because I think, you know, not to go too, you know, COVID is done.

00:09:52.000 No one wants to hear about it.

00:09:53.000 But I think five years ago, there was a lot going on at the White House and with Pfizer with the Biden administration in the summer of 2021 that I personally would like to know about.

00:10:02.000 And I think it's relevant to my lawsuit.

00:10:04.000 And I think it'll be relevant to a lot of people.

00:10:06.000 Should be good.

00:10:06.000 Agreed.

00:10:08.000 Let's get to the first story.

00:10:09.000 We've got this from the New York Post Democrats stunned after anti Israel, anti capitalist socialists sweep New York City primaries.

00:10:16.000 The dancing days of the dirtbag left.

00:10:18.000 I've got this tweet.

00:10:19.000 Let me see if I can pull this one up.

00:10:20.000 Joe Walsh, you guys know who that is?

00:10:22.000 He was a conservative guy, and then Trump got elected, and he says, I'm going to be a Democrat now.

00:10:26.000 And oh boy, is he regretting it.

00:10:27.000 He tweeted, Yes, most Americans don't know what socialism is.

00:10:31.000 But last night, Democrats elected candidates who want to abolish prisons, defund the police, who believe deporting even violent criminals who are in this country illegally is wrong, who believe America was to blame for 9 11, who believe capitalism is evil, who believe Israel is evil, and who want to eliminate all private health insurance.

00:10:31.000 I agree.

00:10:48.000 Most Americans know what socialism is, but most Americans don't support ish like this.

00:10:52.000 Now, I'm going to let you guys in on a secret.

00:10:55.000 These candidates aren't really socialists, they're anti American.

00:10:58.000 Their intention is the destruction of America.

00:11:00.000 Socialism is a vehicle by which they're attempting to do that.

00:11:03.000 So, why do they want violent criminals to not be deported?

00:11:06.000 Because it's kind of like letting loose a bunch of wolves into the city.

00:11:11.000 They're going to run around rampaging and causing damage.

00:11:14.000 Why don't they, you know, why do they want to abolish prisons so they can have a bunch of violent criminals rampaging through your city?

00:11:22.000 These are people who have explicitly stated that they want.

00:11:25.000 Let me see if I can pull up this tweet.

00:11:26.000 I got something right here.

00:11:28.000 This is from Ayal Yacoby.

00:11:31.000 Daria Lisa Avila Chevalier is a founder of CUAD, which is Columbia University Apartheid Devestment.

00:11:38.000 The organization's stated intention is to undermine and eradicate America through the use of violence in America, explicitly stating: Devestment is not an incrementalist goal.

00:11:46.000 The true divestment necessitates nothing short of the total collapse of the university structure and American empire itself.

00:11:52.000 It is not possible for imperial spoils to remain so heavily concentrated in the metropole and its high cultural repositories.

00:11:59.000 Without the continuous oppression of all populations that resist the empire's expansion.

00:12:04.000 To divest from this is to undermine and eradicate America as we know it.

00:12:09.000 Stating at the end, we act in full support of the Palestinian resistance.

00:12:12.000 This action is first and foremost an effort to extend the successes of the Palestinian resistance to the heart of the empire itself, to translate their resilience in Gaza to unrest and violence in America. 0.85

00:12:25.000 And these people were just voted to Congress, so I propose, panel, She should be barred. 0.87

00:12:32.000 Yeah.

00:12:32.000 Members of Congress, Republicans should refuse to swear.

00:12:35.000 The Speaker should say no.

00:12:37.000 She should not be allowed to take a seat in Congress.

00:12:40.000 So we were talking about this before the show started, and I don't agree with that. 0.99

00:12:44.000 So you say nay.

00:12:46.000 What say you, Brett? 1.00

00:12:48.000 Bar her. 1.00

00:12:49.000 Bar her?

00:12:50.000 Phil said, I already know Phil's response.

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.000 He's going to be like deporter next.

00:12:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Stripper of her citizenship and center back. 0.93

00:12:54.000 Carter, what do you think? 0.93

00:12:57.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 Same as Phil?

00:12:58.000 I got to further investigate these statements.

00:13:00.000 Can you explain why?

00:13:01.000 Because I guess my logic.

00:13:02.000 Just real quick to.

00:13:03.000 Ian, Ian, I'd like to know further.

00:13:05.000 Did she write that?

00:13:06.000 What we just so that was she's she was the founder of an organization. 0.99

00:13:10.000 Uh, there are two organizations.

00:13:11.000 I don't know if she's the founder of both, but she's an activist and a leader in both.

00:13:14.000 One's called Columbia University Apartheid Devestment, one is called the National Society for Justice for Palestinians.

00:13:21.000 I think the NSJP, and uh, that was the NSJP statement for which she is a part of that.

00:13:28.000 That's her her her her movement.

00:13:30.000 As for CUAD, they wrote their goal is the eradication of Western civilization.

00:13:35.000 So, her specific quote as a leader of CUAD is.

00:13:37.000 To destroy Western civilization. 0.80

00:13:39.000 And as a member of NSJP, the eradication of America, as I read.

00:13:45.000 She said, she specifically said she wants to destroy Western civilization.

00:13:49.000 Those are her words.

00:13:51.000 Let me see if I can grab the quote if I have it pulled up here.

00:13:54.000 You know what?

00:13:55.000 Do I not?

00:13:56.000 At the very least, does the government not have the right to ask her, like, look, you have a formal connection to a group like this that has language like this?

00:14:05.000 Can you either retract what you've said or divest yourself from this group?

00:14:12.000 No, I don't think so.

00:14:13.000 I mean, she got elected, or she's not been elected yet, but let's assume she's going to be elected on the Democratic side.

00:14:21.000 The organization stated this for what she is a founder.

00:14:23.000 We are Westerners fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Yeah, I mean, she's an idiot. 1.00

00:14:30.000 It's idiotic political rhetoric. 1.00

00:14:32.000 And, like, that's what politics is these days. 1.00

00:14:35.000 There are plenty of people on the left who thought Donald Trump shouldn't be allowed to run for president in 2024. 0.96

00:14:39.000 That was equally ridiculous.

00:14:41.000 But if someone clearly states that their goal is to destroy the society, it is perfectly reasonable for the governing body of that society to say, you're not allowed to. 0.77

00:14:54.000 To sit in the position to represent the people of whatever district she's in.

00:14:59.000 I would even argue that if the idea was that she said that she wanted to radically change the society into a vision of her own making, that's different from the idea of destroying the society itself.

00:15:08.000 I mean, look, part of the Communist Control Act is still in, could be still used.

00:15:13.000 Like, it hasn't been taken off the books.

00:15:15.000 Part of the Communist Control Act, the Supreme Court has said is unconstitutional, but there are parts that are still, you know, still could be enforced.

00:15:24.000 I don't see a problem with enforcing the Communist Control Act personally.

00:15:27.000 I'm trying to understand. 1.00

00:15:28.000 She's a Westerner who wants to destroy Western society.

00:15:31.000 How does that even make sense?

00:15:33.000 It doesn't, which is strange.

00:15:35.000 It'd be like destroying your own body.

00:15:37.000 No, she would like to see.

00:15:38.000 She doesn't believe. 0.83

00:15:39.000 All right, I'm going to make assumptions here, but likely she thinks that we should have direct elections, get rid of the Electoral College. 0.60

00:15:47.000 Likely she thinks that we should abolish the Senate.

00:15:49.000 Not likely.

00:15:50.000 She does.

00:15:50.000 Okay, so I'm saying that I haven't read anything specifically where she said that.

00:15:54.000 I'm guessing at what she means because of.

00:15:57.000 The typical person that is on the left, the typical things they want get rid of the electoral college so it's a direct election, popular vote all the time, and get rid of the Senate because states don't need representation.

00:16:09.000 Which, I mean, arguably, since the 17th Amendment when they made it a popular election for senators, arguably, the Senate doesn't perform the function that it used to perform prior to the 17th Amendment.

00:16:23.000 But the proper solution is to get rid of the 17th Amendment, not get rid of the Senate.

00:16:27.000 So I think she's.

00:16:28.000 Part of a group that has made some extreme statements.

00:16:30.000 So I don't know, and if she was one of the founders, even, but if I founded a company that then they went off and published something and I was like, What?

00:16:36.000 I mean, I'm not, I didn't say that, you guys.

00:16:38.000 Like, that's those people at my company said that.

00:16:40.000 I can't.

00:16:41.000 But I'm saying, even if she says this stuff directly, it is political rhetoric.

00:16:46.000 There's political rhetoric on both sides that's offensive to the other side.

00:16:49.000 And I don't want to be in the position of telling people in New York or Texas or anywhere else, you elected this person, but I'm not going to seat them.

00:16:57.000 You're not in Congress, so you don't have to be in that position.

00:16:59.000 Well, so do we have an empire in the country?

00:17:02.000 Is there a point at which you would feel there is a threat to the United States continuation?

00:17:08.000 From her?

00:17:09.000 No, In general. 1.00

00:17:09.000 No, she's an idiot. 1.00

00:17:12.000 Like, what would a person have to do for you to be like, okay, this is a threat to our country's existence? 1.00

00:17:16.000 Well, if the president of the United States started saying he should have a third term unconstitutionally, I'd find that a threat to the United States.

00:17:21.000 But you know what?

00:17:22.000 He stopped saying that.

00:17:25.000 But that doesn't threaten the United States.

00:17:28.000 We have had presidents in the past that have had more than two terms.

00:17:32.000 Granted, we did.

00:17:33.000 Okay, so we had a president that had more than two terms.

00:17:36.000 And that's part of the amendment.

00:17:38.000 And that didn't destroy the country.

00:17:40.000 The goal of people like her, and I understand that you're saying that she, as an individual, doesn't have the ability.

00:17:47.000 But say a political movement, say the DSA overall, at what point do we say the DSA is actually hostile to the United States?

00:17:56.000 Its stated goals are to change the United States through revolutionary action.

00:18:03.000 This is too much for a political party to be allowed to be in position.

00:18:08.000 I would never say that.

00:18:10.000 Ever.

00:18:11.000 So, violent uprising.

00:18:13.000 What if there was the Kill the Jews party?

00:18:15.000 And they were like, their political position is if elected, they would just.

00:18:17.000 I mean, the DSA is kind of the Kill the Jews party.

00:18:19.000 Well, I'm making a metaphor intentionally.

00:18:23.000 I'm not explicitly saying the DSA has come, but I do believe that if you go to a private meeting of the DSA, they're going to be saying things very much like this. 0.55

00:18:29.000 The point is, if a political party emerged where they were, like, let's say the Neo Nazi Party of America emerges and they're like, if elected, we absolutely will start massacring and genociding people.

00:18:41.000 Would you be like, that's fine?

00:18:43.000 I would not like that, but I would not say that they aren't allowed to say what they can say.

00:18:47.000 I mean, as a.

00:18:48.000 No, But we're not talking about saying things, we're talking about stated intentions.

00:18:51.000 Well,.

00:18:52.000 If they're going to try to carry out the genocidal murder of Jews and they're elected, then we're in a very dark place.

00:18:58.000 What does the destruction of the American empire end up with?

00:19:02.000 It doesn't end nonviolently. 0.54

00:19:03.000 I have no idea. 0.99

00:19:05.000 She's a loudmouth.

00:19:06.000 So, like, I'm just there's no circumstance where someone's stated intentions would move you to be for or against them?

00:19:13.000 No, no, that's not true.

00:19:15.000 The question is whether or not they should be banned and whether or not they're.

00:19:18.000 So, let me clarify.

00:19:20.000 There's no point at which a person's stated intentions would cause you alarm to think we shouldn't give a gun to this person.

00:19:25.000 No, that's not the same thing either.

00:19:27.000 I mean, if somebody shows up outside my house threatening to kill me, I'm going to be alarmed by that and, you know, take action. 0.99

00:19:35.000 What if this person is like, I'm going to run for the chief of police, then I'm going to come back and I'm going to shoot you in the face?

00:19:42.000 Would you be like, well, we should let her be the chief of police, I guess?

00:19:45.000 No, I would not want her to be the chief of police.

00:19:48.000 But I mean, so that's a specific letter, right?

00:19:51.000 If she said, I'm going to run for the chief of police and I'm not going to enforce the laws anymore.

00:19:58.000 Abolish the police.

00:19:58.000 Okay.

00:19:59.000 Abolish the police.

00:20:00.000 Which is what they're saying.

00:20:01.000 That, you know what?

00:20:01.000 Okay.

00:20:01.000 Yes.

00:20:03.000 Okay.

00:20:04.000 Okay.

00:20:04.000 We got it.

00:20:05.000 We got it.

00:20:05.000 Yep.

00:20:06.000 What if she said, so obviously, if she said she was going to shoot you, you'd be like, no, that's a no go, right?

00:20:06.000 I got it.

00:20:06.000 Okay.

00:20:10.000 Right.

00:20:10.000 That's a direct.

00:20:11.000 What if she said, I will position several armed, angry people high on methamphetamines with rifles outside of your house for the purpose of destroying your home when I'm police chief? 0.99

00:20:23.000 Would you still allow her to be police chief?

00:20:25.000 I mean, that's crazy, right?

00:20:26.000 Could she even really pull that off?

00:20:28.000 Well, Again, I think we're crossing the line to a direct threat there.

00:20:34.000 I think saying you want to destroy America through violence is a direct threat to this country.

00:20:38.000 Is she in a position to do anything?

00:20:39.000 Is she literally a direct threat? 0.54

00:20:41.000 In Congress?

00:20:42.000 Yes.

00:20:43.000 I think that focusing on one person is this person in particular or specifically any of the individuals.

00:20:50.000 I think that misses the point because we had three people elected.

00:20:54.000 The DSA had a great night.

00:20:55.000 There was a boatload of people that the DSA endorsed that were elected.

00:20:59.000 And it's more than just a person, it's this movie that is absolutely a threat.

00:21:04.000 To the United States.

00:21:05.000 So, what if there's a threat to the Democratic Party?

00:21:07.000 I don't know if it's a threat to the United States.

00:21:08.000 Let's say there's a cruise ship, right?

00:21:10.000 And they've got, what, several hundred employees, maybe more.

00:21:13.000 And you're there about to board for your vacation.

00:21:16.000 When a guy shows up as an employee and he says to the guy in the boat, hey, can you hire me to work in the engine room?

00:21:21.000 And he goes, what's your qualifications?

00:21:22.000 I'm going to blow it up. 0.99

00:21:23.000 I will do everything in my power to destroy it through violence and destroy this cruise ship. 0.99

00:21:27.000 And he goes, sure. 0.94

00:21:28.000 Would you be like, that's okay.

00:21:29.000 It's just words.

00:21:31.000 What if he was like, leave it up to a vote among all the people?

00:21:33.000 Or even worse, he would be like, sorry, wait, The point is she was elected.

00:21:39.000 And the question we have now is: should we let this person into the engine room who has stated she's going to blow up the engine and sink the ship?

00:21:45.000 Is there political rhetoric that bans you from being elected?

00:21:48.000 Right.

00:21:49.000 That's the broad question, right?

00:21:50.000 Yes.

00:21:51.000 And I think the answer to that is essentially no.

00:21:52.000 Well, the answer is absolutely yes.

00:21:53.000 It's in the 14th Amendment, waging insurrection against these United States.

00:21:56.000 How can you swear to support and defend the Constitution if your stated goal is to destroy the United States?

00:22:05.000 Those two things are mutually exclusive.

00:22:07.000 I got to come back to what you said.

00:22:09.000 I mean, I got to come back to what you said.

00:22:11.000 You said insurrection, right?

00:22:13.000 That's exactly what the state of Colorado tried to do to Donald Trump, right?

00:22:16.000 And it went to court.

00:22:17.000 And it went to court.

00:22:18.000 And they lost.

00:22:18.000 And they lost, as they should have.

00:22:20.000 It was absurd that the state of Colorado.

00:22:22.000 And that's because it was absurd because Trump did not stage an insurrection.

00:22:26.000 Okay, but there are many people on the left who believe he did.

00:22:29.000 As for the other people, these guys believe.

00:22:31.000 But they're lying.

00:22:31.000 They're absolutely lying.

00:22:32.000 Okay, but they think you're lying.

00:22:33.000 No, no, no, but listen, listen.

00:22:35.000 That's it.

00:22:35.000 End of story.

00:22:35.000 We're right.

00:22:36.000 No, no, no, but hold on.

00:22:37.000 I can cite for you decades of history and structure as to why they are lying, how they're lying, what they're doing, why they're doing it, why we're right.

00:22:47.000 And I think you know full well, especially based on COVID and the vaccines.

00:22:50.000 What those people were intending to do to all of us and how they try to stop you from exposing them.

00:22:56.000 We know they are lying. 0.97

00:22:57.000 So when they come out and they say, We want to bring violence, and we already have, we've got an anti-fagot who shot a cop, the neck gets 100 years in prison, and they say, But they're just activists. 0.97

00:23:07.000 They're lying. 0.97

00:23:08.000 When they say, Elect me, I'm going to burn this country to the ground.

00:23:10.000 They're not lying.

00:23:11.000 We know what their intentions are.

00:23:13.000 And Trump never said that he was going to destroy the country, that it was an insurrection, that he was trying to overthrow the government.

00:23:20.000 These people have specifically said, Their goal is not just to destroy Western society.

00:23:28.000 They're specifically saying to bring violence to America.

00:23:32.000 So this is the.

00:23:34.000 Let's not say this.

00:23:35.000 It's apples and oranges.

00:23:36.000 It's this one group that is disavowed.

00:23:38.000 Okay, that organization.

00:23:40.000 But the DSA hasn't disavowed that.

00:23:42.000 They don't disavow that at all.

00:23:43.000 I mean, they've got state reps now.

00:23:45.000 It's not just these three.

00:23:46.000 Yeah, absolutely. 1.00

00:23:47.000 People like these idiots. 1.00

00:23:50.000 And I think the reason they like them is actually quite simple. 1.00

00:23:53.000 When you have 40% of the city foreign born, And they're going around saying, we're going to burn this country to the ground and steal their stuff. 1.00

00:23:59.000 Yes, non Americans are celebrating and voting for it. 0.99

00:24:02.000 Tim, what was the greatest gift the left gave the right in the last 15 years? 0.96

00:24:07.000 Cancel culture.

00:24:08.000 You can't say it.

00:24:08.000 Cancel culture.

00:24:09.000 You can't think it.

00:24:10.000 You can't do it.

00:24:10.000 I disagree.

00:24:11.000 This is the right trying to do that to the left, and we'll have the same. 1.00

00:24:15.000 It was trans women in women's. 0.93

00:24:17.000 It was trans women in women's.

00:24:17.000 That was another gift.

00:24:18.000 That's the biggest gift.

00:24:20.000 I do not agree at all.

00:24:21.000 I don't think that lines up at all.

00:24:23.000 Why not?

00:24:24.000 I think it is.

00:24:24.000 Most people in this country don't like being told that.

00:24:28.000 Men should be allowed in women's bathrooms. 1.00

00:24:30.000 Sure.

00:24:30.000 So when they were silencing people, regular people were terrified.

00:24:34.000 They would lose their jobs for saying naughty words.

00:24:36.000 And that created a big problem for them.

00:24:40.000 Them now engaging in violence is still a big problem for them.

00:24:47.000 My question is here this is about destroying the American empire.

00:24:49.000 Brett, you made up a good point.

00:24:50.000 If they said deconstructing the American empire, for instance, that doesn't sound like a violent act.

00:24:54.000 If you're destroying, now the question is like, okay, firstly, America is not an empire.

00:24:59.000 It shouldn't be.

00:25:00.000 It's a war.

00:25:01.000 They didn't say the American empire, though.

00:25:02.000 Did it say the American?

00:25:03.000 Okay, my bad.

00:25:04.000 I apologize.

00:25:05.000 I understand the concept, the ideal of like, hey, let's scale back, not be world police.

00:25:09.000 We don't need an empirical state that's run by corporations and banks.

00:25:13.000 Can you pull the statement up again?

00:25:15.000 Yes.

00:25:16.000 Because they also specifically said Western civilization.

00:25:21.000 Here's one from CUA, the American empire. 0.82

00:25:23.000 CU apartheid.

00:25:24.000 We are Westerners fighting for the total eradication of the civilization.

00:25:27.000 I'm going to say, I think I understand what you're saying.

00:25:30.000 That basically you believe that the concept of the election is sacrosanct and it needs to remain in place.

00:25:35.000 It's not something that we're willing to shove off for the sake of getting rid of political movement.

00:25:41.000 When I see the words American empire.

00:25:43.000 Total eradication of Western civilization.

00:25:47.000 I understand the idea is you don't want to be so open minded that you let your brain fall out.

00:25:52.000 To me, that's where, for me, it's just like when we've gotten to the eradication of civilization, I'm comfortable with exercising power.

00:26:01.000 What does that mean? 0.62

00:26:02.000 Does that mean she's not allowed to take the office that she's been elected to? 0.99

00:26:05.000 Yes, she can't. 1.00

00:26:06.000 She can't.

00:26:06.000 Absolutely.

00:26:08.000 Again, she can't take the oath.

00:26:09.000 She can't be sworn into Congress.

00:26:11.000 She can't make the oath.

00:26:12.000 She will be.

00:26:12.000 So you're telling 800,000 people in New York 13, your decision does not matter.

00:26:19.000 Oh, I'll go further than that.

00:26:20.000 I think Donald Trump should send in the federal government for federal management of New York City and New York State.

00:26:26.000 It's not that bad.

00:26:27.000 I live there.

00:26:29.000 I would argue that the question of how do you define how bad something is, let me put it like this.

00:26:39.000 After the Battle of Fort Sumter, we historically say a civil war began.

00:26:44.000 No one in the United States thought a civil war happened.

00:26:46.000 In fact, nobody in the United States actually used the phrase civil war publicly and officially for years.

00:26:51.000 And after Fort Sumter, in which we all agree the civil war started, they had picnics at the Battle of Manassas because they thought there was no civil war.

00:26:59.000 They were oblivious to the things that were happening around them.

00:27:03.000 I think when you take a look at the fact that over the past several decades, New York has fundamentally transformed and now has a mayor who explicitly says he will use the power of violence and law enforcement against the American people and the federal government, it's time to send in the feds to shut that down. 0.92

00:27:17.000 We should not allow our cities to be taken over by foreigners who explicitly state they are here to fight the American, the American voter, and the American will. 0.86

00:27:25.000 I mean, that's look, he was elected. 0.61

00:27:28.000 I don't live in the city anymore, I live upstate, but he was elected by the people of New York City.

00:27:34.000 And he has not done anything like that.

00:27:34.000 Okay.

00:27:37.000 I mean, I'm not actually talking about that.

00:27:38.000 He said anything like that.

00:27:39.000 He did, and he is.

00:27:41.000 He said, what, that he wouldn't support ICE?

00:27:43.000 There's a lot of people in New York City. 0.64

00:27:44.000 He said he is going to shield illegal immigrants from the federal government. 0.96

00:27:47.000 Okay. 0.97

00:27:48.000 The American people voted for immigration enforcement.

00:27:51.000 And he said he'd use the weight of New York's power and law enforcement to stop that from happening. 0.58

00:27:55.000 Look, as a practical matter, and I very much.

00:27:58.000 That's insurrection.

00:28:00.000 It's not insurrection.

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:03.000 Okay.

00:28:04.000 I don't know.

00:28:05.000 I don't agree with that personally.

00:28:06.000 So let me just add.

00:28:08.000 That's an awesome part of our culture.

00:28:10.000 So if somebody is elected, okay, and everything they do is legal, they don't take any actions outside of legislation.

00:28:20.000 They wait for their legislative body to pass the law before enacting things.

00:28:24.000 But things are getting serious to that point.

00:28:25.000 Like, let's say Mamdani gets city council to pass the Immigration Protection Act, in which police are instructed to, if necessary, use force to stop ICE.

00:28:36.000 Would you believe he should then be removed?

00:28:38.000 I mean, I don't know what the details of that are.

00:28:42.000 I don't think that.

00:28:45.000 I don't think it's smart for the city of New York not to support ICE.

00:28:49.000 But if that's what they choose to do, I'm not talking about shoot at, I'm not talking about like, This is the whole thing.

00:28:56.000 Specifically, specific hypothetical.

00:28:58.000 Mamdani says, so right now, ICE comes in and arrests a guy.

00:29:02.000 Mamdani says, we do not have the authority.

00:29:04.000 We do not have the laws right now in place to stop ICE from doing this.

00:29:07.000 Right.

00:29:08.000 City Council convenes.

00:29:09.000 Mamdani speaks before them and says, pass this bill to empower New York police to use force if necessary to stop ICE from kidnapping our neighbors.

00:29:19.000 That would clearly be illegal, right?

00:29:21.000 That's illegal.

00:29:21.000 How is that illegal?

00:29:23.000 Because you're telling your police officers to shoot at federal agents?

00:29:27.000 I didn't say shoot.

00:29:28.000 To use force if necessary.

00:29:30.000 What does force mean?

00:29:31.000 Hands?

00:29:32.000 You inferred lethal force.

00:29:34.000 I never said that.

00:29:36.000 I think that that's.

00:29:37.000 It's just words, by the way.

00:29:38.000 He should be allowed to do it, right? 0.83

00:29:40.000 He's not actually saying shoot and kill cops.

00:29:41.000 He's just saying, you know, sometimes force is.

00:29:44.000 But this is all hypothetical, Tim.

00:29:46.000 I know, and I'm asking you.

00:29:47.000 I'm making things up.

00:29:48.000 I'm asking you in that scenario, would you think the feds should intervene and remove it?

00:29:51.000 Yes, in that scenario.

00:29:53.000 But that's not a real scenario.

00:29:55.000 But I'm asking you this to understand your moral worldview specifically because.

00:29:59.000 You've stated he's not doing anything that has crossed the line, but if he tries to codify it, he's crossed the line.

00:30:08.000 Listen, political rhetoric is political rhetoric on both sides, okay?

00:30:12.000 Telling your police officers that they can interfere with federal law enforcement officers is not rhetoric.

00:30:18.000 They're doing it right now in New York and California, Oregon and Washington.

00:30:22.000 Should they?

00:30:22.000 No, they're not helping.

00:30:24.000 That's not.

00:30:25.000 Kevin Newsom, California passed a law, Newsom signed, saying they will arrest federal agents for wearing masks.

00:30:30.000 Should the feds go in and say, you can't do that?

00:30:31.000 You can't sign a law?

00:30:32.000 I don't think the feds should wear masks.

00:30:33.000 I don't.

00:30:34.000 That's not the question, though.

00:30:35.000 The question is, as you stated, If he tried to codify empowering police to use force against feds, that's illegal.

00:30:42.000 Okay, so Trump should send the feds in and go arrest Newsom.

00:30:46.000 Okay, that's so now we're, this is like really tricky issues of federalism, right?

00:30:50.000 Like what state laws should be, what, when federal laws trump state laws, who has the power of law enforcement, which in the United States is supposed to be the states, not the federal government, okay?

00:30:59.000 The federal government is supposed to handle borders, military, states are supposed to handle law enforcement.

00:31:03.000 Not since 1865.

00:31:04.000 I know.

00:31:05.000 Technically, 1876.

00:31:06.000 Things, right?

00:31:07.000 Things have changed, right?

00:31:08.000 But there is a federal state.

00:31:10.000 It's not the same in West Virginia as in Texas as in New York.

00:31:10.000 Pull.

00:31:13.000 I like that about this country.

00:31:15.000 It's a big country.

00:31:16.000 That's what I was thinking as I was driving down here today.

00:31:18.000 You know, I was driving from New York to West Virginia.

00:31:20.000 It's 300 miles.

00:31:21.000 It feels like a long drive.

00:31:22.000 It's barely, the country's barely starting.

00:31:25.000 Crazy.

00:31:25.000 Okay.

00:31:25.000 So it's crazy, right?

00:31:27.000 So that's why it's good to have different policies in different states.

00:31:31.000 I understand, but we're trying to understand the moral framework we exist under.

00:31:35.000 Gavin Newsom and the state of California passed a law stating that federal agents may not wear masks.

00:31:40.000 And The police are empowered, state troopers and local police are empowered to use force if necessary to arrest these men.

00:31:48.000 Is that okay?

00:31:50.000 Is that what the law actually says?

00:31:52.000 Yeah, they made it illegal.

00:31:54.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:31:55.000 And then the feds responded with, don't obey, wear the masks.

00:31:59.000 Right.

00:31:59.000 So that's where we are, right?

00:32:00.000 So the question is from a moral point of view, I'm trying to figure out where your line is because I got to ask you, you don't seem to have one.

00:32:09.000 When should the federal government say, You have passed illegal laws, you are in violation of the Constitution, and we are sending in law enforcement to stop this.

00:32:17.000 Okay.

00:32:18.000 If the federal government, if the Department of Justice believes that that California law is illegal, then it should go to court, federal court, and get it overturned.

00:32:26.000 Okay.

00:32:27.000 It shouldn't escalate.

00:32:28.000 It's not the federal government doesn't have authority over state laws.

00:32:32.000 Ultimately, the Constitution controls.

00:32:34.000 Okay.

00:32:35.000 And if federal courts say, if the Supreme Court says that states do not have the right to regulate federal law enforcement that way, That will control.

00:32:43.000 So let's do it properly.

00:32:44.000 Let's do it legally.

00:32:45.000 Okay.

00:32:46.000 So let's say Mayor Zorhan Mamdani goes to city council.

00:32:50.000 They pass a law saying that the police can use any and all force necessary to stop ICE.

00:32:55.000 And then ICE comes in to try and arrest some pedophile.

00:32:59.000 And the NYPD stops them.

00:33:00.000 Trump should let the pedophile stay in New York City until the Supreme Court next year might hear the case.

00:33:05.000 I don't think it would take very long.

00:33:07.000 I think that.

00:33:09.000 I think it will because we have questions of birthright citizenship, voting rights.

00:33:13.000 That have been sitting with the Supreme Court for over a year already because the Supreme Court doesn't just issue opinions like that.

00:33:19.000 They come together, they consider them, they have to write their opinions out.

00:33:21.000 It takes a long time.

00:33:22.000 If there were an active conflict between federal and state law enforcement, I didn't say that.

00:33:26.000 I think the Supreme Court would get involved.

00:33:27.000 I said the cops stop the feds from arresting the pedophile.

00:33:30.000 So the feds leave.

00:33:32.000 The argument that you're making, if I'm understanding, this scenario would end up in this way. 0.99

00:33:37.000 So there's a pedophile in New York who's from Guatemala who's raped a bunch of kids. 0.77

00:33:41.000 ICE shows up to arrest him, and NYP intervenes. 0.97

00:33:43.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:33:44.000 He should be arrested.

00:33:45.000 By the state of New York for doing that.

00:33:47.000 Sure, but they're not deported.

00:33:49.000 As we already saw, Daria Liza said violent criminals here illegally should not be deported. 0.98

00:33:53.000 Of course, that's ridiculous. 0.96

00:33:54.000 And we agree on that.

00:33:55.000 So, if ICE tries to stop them, but the NYPD says you can't do this, you're going to have to leave and come back later.

00:34:03.000 We need a judicial war, whatever the case may be.

00:34:06.000 Under your system, the pedophile shall remain in New York until the Supreme Court can issue a war.

00:34:10.000 Even in California and New York, they aren't, as a practical matter, trying to stop violent criminals from being arrested and deported.

00:34:10.000 I don't know.

00:34:16.000 Incorrect.

00:34:17.000 Is that true?

00:34:18.000 They're absolutely. 0.88

00:34:19.000 They're violent criminals, not just. 0.97

00:34:20.000 Like Rego Garcia? 0.89

00:34:23.000 Yeah.

00:34:23.000 I mean, the lengths they've gone to protect a guy who beat his wife.

00:34:26.000 Who was already caught smuggling people, admittedly, who was adjudicated twice as a member of MS-13, and they have lied about it endlessly?

00:34:34.000 Yes, they're absolutely trying to keep wife-beating human traffickers in this country.

00:34:39.000 So at a certain point, you have to ask yourself if you are a man of action or if you are going to sit by as everything burns down around you. 0.80

00:34:46.000 And you know, that woman.

00:34:48.000 Nothing is burning.

00:34:49.000 Nothing is burning.

00:34:50.000 What does that mean, nothing is burning?

00:34:52.000 I mean, nothing in New York City is burning.

00:34:54.000 Maybe the trash can got.

00:34:56.000 Do you think.

00:34:59.000 I'm not a fan of rhetoric that is.

00:35:02.000 Do you think during the American Revolution everything was in chaos the whole time?

00:35:05.000 No, of course not.

00:35:06.000 Yeah, nothing was burning.

00:35:07.000 So why have it?

00:35:08.000 Why have the revolution?

00:35:09.000 In fact, the revolutionary period was over 20 years and they didn't sign the Declaration of Independence until a year after the war already began.

00:35:16.000 Nothing was burning.

00:35:17.000 Why bother?

00:35:17.000 Right?

00:35:18.000 It's worth making the argument that the consequences historically of these kind of people being in positions of authority or having a majority has been disastrous for countries.

00:35:31.000 So.

00:35:31.000 The actual question is at what point do you actually say we're not going to allow this to happen to our country and take some kind of legislative action or some kind of law enforcement action to prevent this stuff from turning into what they're literally calling for an actual revolution?

00:35:53.000 Let's just go Godwin's law, full Godwin's law. 0.91

00:35:55.000 Should Hitler have been prevented from taking office? 0.99

00:35:59.000 Obviously, in retrospect, everyone's going to say yes. 0.94

00:36:02.000 And so the argument they'll have.

00:36:03.000 Likes to make is that Trump is Hitler, and for this reason, he should be prevented from taking office.

00:36:07.000 That's because there are no principles, only morals.

00:36:09.000 And I understand these people have morals that I find to be detestable. 0.99

00:36:13.000 They are liars. 0.99

00:36:15.000 They lie for political power. 0.99

00:36:16.000 The right certainly has some people who are lying for power.

00:36:19.000 It's about you, though.

00:36:20.000 Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true.

00:36:22.000 They're evil.

00:36:23.000 They claim I was paid by Russia. 0.79

00:36:24.000 They made it up.

00:36:25.000 Merrick Garland and Joe Biden fabricated a criminal case against two people who nobody knows exist, targeting a Tennessee based company with zero evidence.

00:36:34.000 And they use that as a weapon to try and destroy us because we're.

00:36:37.000 We have no investors.

00:36:38.000 We have no funding.

00:36:39.000 We have no connection to the Trump administration.

00:36:41.000 We are regular people who are speaking out in pubs and bars, angry at the tyranny of the established machine that you know exactly what they were doing.

00:36:50.000 Let me just throw in something to the mix.

00:36:52.000 Did you read the Stanford report on the mRNA vaccines from December?

00:36:56.000 That said that men 30 and under had a 1 in 16,000 chance of getting myocarditis, which shortens their lifespan on average seven years.

00:37:05.000 And they lied about it. 0.97

00:37:06.000 I know.

00:37:07.000 Telling young men to get something that they knew.

00:37:10.000 One in 16,000 is not a rare side effect.

00:37:13.000 That is a terrifying side effect that was not disclosed and they knew and lied.

00:37:17.000 So, when these people are trying to make billions of dollars off of something they know as a side effect they won't disclose, and then they lie about me, yes, they say a lot of things about me, but we know they're lying and we know they're evil.

00:37:28.000 And your point about, oh, well, you know, they say the same things about you.

00:37:32.000 To Tim's point, they are lying about what the right says and what the right wants. 0.53

00:37:37.000 They're specifically saying, they say that, oh, Donald Trump is a fascist, he's a threat, et cetera, et cetera, he's going to do this, he's going to do that.

00:37:44.000 And there's no evidence.

00:37:46.000 None of this stuff has materialized.

00:37:48.000 He was in office for four years.

00:37:49.000 He was out of office for four years.

00:37:51.000 He's been in for two years.

00:37:52.000 None of the stuff that they talk about is actually materializing.

00:37:56.000 These people have presented legislation to defund the police.

00:37:59.000 These people have presented legislation to expropriate property.

00:38:03.000 These people have presented legislation.

00:38:05.000 They're actually trying to enact the things that will destroy this country.

00:38:09.000 So I understand that they do say, oh, hey, you know, Donald Trump is this big bad guy, but these people are actually taking action to do it.

00:38:19.000 Why do you think it's okay to take away someone's vote?

00:38:22.000 Because that's what you're doing if you're so close to the Constitution.

00:38:24.000 Oh, they're trying to take away people's property.

00:38:26.000 Oh, well, hold on, hold on.

00:38:27.000 Welcome to Tim Cast IRL, where I think more than half the people here are in support of disenfranchising a lot of people.

00:38:34.000 I think that universal enfranchisement is an absolute error.

00:38:38.000 Who's getting disenfranchised?

00:38:40.000 I would give.

00:38:41.000 If you could promise me that the Constitution is actually sacrosanct and the rights protected in the Constitution are actually untouchable, I would throw my vote away in a second, in a heartbeat.

00:38:52.000 I have no illusions about what my vote means.

00:38:55.000 There is.

00:38:56.000 330 million Americans.

00:38:58.000 There's something like 175 million Americans that can actually vote. 0.98

00:39:01.000 My vote doesn't actually mean shit. 0.89

00:39:03.000 And we lie to people and tell them, your vote's so important. 0.98

00:39:06.000 It's so important that you vote for this, and blah, blah, blah. 0.78

00:39:08.000 And then we allow people to think that if you elect a president, you're electing a king, and he's just going to come in and fuck it, and blah, And this is on the right, too, because there are people that are pissed off at Donald Trump because he hasn't done things that they wanted him to do that he never had the power to do. 0.64

00:39:22.000 I will say, with respect, being the Timcast IRL foil, I appreciate you sitting here as we're all, you know, angry and debating, but let me ask you some questions. 0.73

00:39:31.000 Let's say we're going to have an election on who should be in charge of this property, right?

00:39:40.000 And you're here too, and you say, I'd like to be in charge, or I don't have a vote, right?

00:39:45.000 So today will be the vote, and everyone in this room will cast a ballot, we'll put it in a box, and then we're going to count those ballots to figure out who's going to be in charge.

00:39:55.000 But wait.

00:39:57.000 I think it would only be fair because there's other employees that after today we get seven days.

00:40:03.000 In which we can wait to see if their votes will come in, and uh, we just kind of mail them out to a bunch of houses in the area.

00:40:10.000 Uh, they can be hand dated just because we're expecting them to be honest, and their signature can be a picture of Mickey Mouse.

00:40:17.000 Would you consider that to be a real election?

00:40:21.000 I would consider to be a real election again, not hypothetical.

00:40:25.000 I mean, obviously, I know what you're saying. 0.99

00:40:29.000 You're confusing the procedure that, let's say, California is using, which is stupid and bad, with. 0.99

00:40:37.000 The fundamental underlying right to vote. 0.99

00:40:39.000 No, I'm not.

00:40:40.000 I'm asking you a question so I can get to there.

00:40:43.000 Is it a legitimate election when you can receive a ballot seven days later, hand dated?

00:40:48.000 It's got a picture of Mickey Mouse as a signature, and it requires two independent adjudicators to disqualify with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:40:56.000 Is that a real election?

00:40:58.000 And don't forget, we've mailed hundreds of thousands of ballots to random homeless shelters and various NGOs.

00:41:02.000 It's not the best procedure, but I don't.

00:41:04.000 It's not an election.

00:41:04.000 Oh, come on.

00:41:05.000 No American thinks the election means we sent. 0.86

00:41:08.000 185 belts to a homeless shelter where Nithia Rahman gave $600,000 to. 0.78

00:41:14.000 And they can draw Mickey Mouse as their signature.

00:41:16.000 The New York Times, okay, you know I used to work there a long time ago.

00:41:19.000 They would not piss on me if I was on fire.

00:41:22.000 Okay?

00:41:23.000 Truth.

00:41:24.000 And like if the whole building blew up, they would not rehire me.

00:41:27.000 So I'm not saying this as like a friend of the New York Times.

00:41:27.000 Okay?

00:41:31.000 They hate me.

00:41:32.000 They wrote an editorial saying how bad California's procedures were a week ago.

00:41:37.000 Everyone agrees about this.

00:41:37.000 Right.

00:41:39.000 But it doesn't mean, but you're deflecting from my question, which is who gets the vote.

00:41:44.000 I'm getting there because I'm laying out the problems we have that lead us to the question of enfranchisement.

00:41:50.000 So let's start now.

00:41:51.000 Understanding we have a system where ballots are sent to every address, doesn't matter if you wanted one or not.

00:41:57.000 This means homeless shelters get hundreds.

00:41:59.000 Signatures can be a doodle, which is unverifiable, and they can be hand dated.

00:42:05.000 And when a hand dated ballot is delivered, it's not supposed to count, but only two independent officials who can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it came after the election day can disqualify it.

00:42:15.000 We ask then what is the majority of people voting this way, and should they be allowed to do this?

00:42:21.000 So the beginning of the question of enfranchisement is not. 1.00

00:42:23.000 Women can't vote. 1.00

00:42:24.000 It's you can't vote in this way. 1.00

00:42:27.000 That's phase one.

00:42:28.000 We then have to ask ourselves let's say we clean everything up and we then get to there's no more universal mail in voting.

00:42:28.000 Okay.

00:42:35.000 There are no late ballots.

00:42:37.000 Watson v. RNC, we're fingers crossed it's going to be ruled on tomorrow.

00:42:40.000 Let's say next year or 2028, election day is election day.

00:42:46.000 All ballots must be received, they cannot be mailed out.

00:42:51.000 So it's one, one day.

00:42:54.000 But then we have people who are homeless walking down the street, and an NGO says, Hey, hey, hey, I'll give you five bucks to go vote.

00:43:01.000 And they say, Okay.

00:43:03.000 And now you are once again asking yourself the question of Is this country better when people who don't want to vote, don't know who to vote for, are enticed, coerced, or paid to vote?

00:43:14.000 So encouraging people to vote, paying people to vote is not the same as encouraging people to vote.

00:43:20.000 But here, I would say That's why I didn't say that.

00:43:22.000 But here's what Offering money, coercing, or otherwise.

00:43:25.000 I think the Republican Party should think a lot about this because there's been this notion on both sides that low, you know, what are called low propensity voters, people who don't vote very often, right?

00:43:35.000 They might vote in a presidential election and nothing else, are going to go Democratic, right?

00:43:41.000 Turns out that that's not really true.

00:43:42.000 I don't care about the Republican Party.

00:43:43.000 I mean, I care about function.

00:43:45.000 So I think we should be encouraging everybody to vote.

00:43:49.000 So the analogy that's often used is your plane is in the air and the pilot has a stroke and dies, and the co pilot says, I'm going to take the plane.

00:44:00.000 And everyone goes, whoa, We're going to vote and figure out who should fly this plane.

00:44:00.000 I'll land it.

00:44:05.000 That has nothing to do with a democratic election for the president of the United States.

00:44:11.000 Why not?

00:44:13.000 Because someone's been trained to fly the plane in case the pilot dies and gets trained to be the president.

00:44:19.000 What?

00:44:19.000 Who gets trained to be the president?

00:44:21.000 No one!

00:44:21.000 That's why the analogy does not hold.

00:44:24.000 I disagree.

00:44:25.000 I think the point would be if you had a pilot trained to fly and you had a.

00:44:31.000 Four star general with decades of military experience, public service, charismatic, and the vote was only held by a certain subset of learned individuals who have active participation in the country.

00:44:45.000 And this could be a broad, this could be almost everybody.

00:44:48.000 They're going to say the guy trained for governance and military leadership should be the president.

00:44:53.000 Instead, Donald Trump is president because he's charismatic.

00:44:56.000 Now, I like Donald Trump.

00:44:58.000 He's far from perfect.

00:44:59.000 And if I had a choice of a president that I could choose from literally anybody, it's not going to be Donald Trump.

00:45:04.000 But in the system that we have, because people who don't know anything about anything vote, Donald Trump is the best we can get.

00:45:10.000 I do consider him to be a net positive, especially nuking USAID. 0.98

00:45:14.000 Hillary Clinton is miserable.

00:45:16.000 And the system that we have in place, because everyone gets to vote, instead of being honest, politicians lie about everything because they want to maximize the lowest common denominator. 0.95

00:45:26.000 I would love it if what I've proposed is in order to vote, you have to sign up for a selective service.

00:45:34.000 So, men and women, when you turn 18, you go to the DMV, you fill out, you get your license, and you check the box I would like to vote and be eligible for the draft.

00:45:43.000 Then they say, You're a voter.

00:45:45.000 I think that would solve 20, 30% of the problem overnight. 0.97

00:45:49.000 Low propensity, ignorant voters who are manipulated, coerced, or otherwise, who don't know who they're voting for and don't know why, will stop voting. 0.62

00:45:56.000 And you will then have, again, a plane is being flown. 0.99

00:45:59.000 The pilot has a stroke.

00:46:00.000 The co pilot says, I should take over.

00:46:02.000 I am trained to do this.

00:46:04.000 And then a guy stands up, slicks his hair back, and says, Look at me, huh?

00:46:08.000 I'm a better pilot.

00:46:09.000 You know me.

00:46:09.000 Let's go.

00:46:10.000 I'm funny.

00:46:11.000 Everybody loves it.

00:46:12.000 And they go, Yeah, we want that guy.

00:46:13.000 He's funnier.

00:46:14.000 So in this country, there are people who have the experience to be president.

00:46:20.000 And certainly when Donald Trump ran, he did not have experience.

00:46:23.000 I would argue that the structure of this country was to the destruction. 0.70

00:46:27.000 Like Hillary Clinton and the Republican administration, the Uniparty, were destructive to this country.

00:46:31.000 And that's why Trump wins. 0.90

00:46:33.000 I don't think you even get to that point if you just stop universal enfranchisement.

00:46:38.000 If you say there are some criteria by which you're allowed to vote.

00:46:41.000 You want a more elite selection when you don't like the current elites running the country that Donald Trump ran against?

00:46:50.000 Agreed.

00:46:51.000 There are elites that are elected out of universal enfranchisement.

00:46:55.000 They're elite because USAID was funneling money to various NGOs, propping up people who did not work, funding basically everybody in like Fairfax and Loudoun who have exorbitant salaries because they're lawyers or they work for NGOs because USAID gives them money for BS reasons.

00:47:11.000 Lee Zeldin found a nonprofit was formed after one month, was given $7 billion. 0.95

00:47:18.000 So these people are elites because they trick stupid people to vote for them, they cheat these systems through ridiculous codification, then once they get in government, they cement themselves as a uniparty machine. 0.95

00:47:29.000 In what world do you think the guys running Pfizer and ExxonMobil and OpenAI and Goldman Sachs are not going to find their way into this system that you're promoting? 0.99

00:47:38.000 Of course they will.

00:47:38.000 But the criteria by which someone gets to vote that I'm describing is not that you're wealthy.

00:47:43.000 I'm saying that if you eliminate low propensity, ignorant, and easily manipulated voters and universal mail in voting, it becomes increasingly more difficult.

00:47:51.000 So the reason why, like our audience, for instance, you can't lie to them.

00:47:55.000 It's not going to work.

00:47:56.000 If I say something wrong, the chat blows up and they say, Tim's wrong about this, you're wrong, and they go off.

00:48:01.000 But if you go look at these liberal channels and these liberal podcasts, oh, come on. 0.91

00:48:05.000 Again, as it pertains to COVID, you know exactly what they were doing marching like lemmings off a cliff. 0.77

00:48:10.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.58

00:48:11.000 So when you have lemmings who are willing to march off a cliff because they hate, and that's all that matters to them, criminals and the corrupt will exploit that against the good. 0.82

00:48:20.000 But here's the thing on the right, you have disparate factions that are constantly fighting. 0.91

00:48:26.000 The libertarians have turned on Trump, they're mad over the war.

00:48:28.000 You've got the, I guess, America First anti Israel faction also.

00:48:33.000 Angry and what made up the mega coalition has broken.

00:48:36.000 Maha is increasingly angry with them, too.

00:48:38.000 So, Maha is out there, all fractured, but none of these people like the Democratic Party, which is consolidated, even when what they say makes no sense.

00:48:38.000 Absolutely.

00:48:47.000 And I'll give you an example of a tweet that I put out the other day. 0.93

00:48:49.000 I tweeted, Medical assistance and death is a good thing, it's the white privilege that's the problem. 0.58

00:48:55.000 We need to prioritize LGBTQIA people and black and brown bodies for made. 0.89

00:49:00.000 In fact, white people shouldn't be allowed to have this until the point I'm making with that is.

00:49:06.000 The insinuation is horrifying, but the left doesn't apply that way. 0.94

00:49:11.000 When it comes to medical assistance and death, the overwhelming majority of people who get it are white, despite the fact it's a medical treatment that should be given to the marginalized. 0.83

00:49:18.000 But you're never going to see a liberal advocate for medically assisting suicides of black people. 0.96

00:49:23.000 They won't do it. 0.99

00:49:25.000 The point being, these are easily manipulated people who have no.

00:49:28.000 You know, let me give you a better example.

00:49:31.000 I agreed with Hassan Piker.

00:49:33.000 He criticized Mr. Beast because, not so much Mr. Beast, but America.

00:49:37.000 Mr. Beast paid for a bunch of cataract surgeries, 10 grand.

00:49:40.000 And he said, Why do we have to have a game show help people get a simple procedure to restore their vision?

00:49:48.000 It's not like it's the craziest cure.

00:49:49.000 They can literally go in and remove the cataract. 0.99

00:49:51.000 I made a video saying, Hassan's correct.

00:49:53.000 100%.

00:49:54.000 It is insane that in this country we have people who are blind only because they have no access to this service and a game show had to do it.

00:50:02.000 In that critique, I mentioned, I do not support the military industrial complex dumping money into Congress, so then they send weapons to all these foreign countries.

00:50:09.000 Why are we giving Ukraine $200 billion?

00:50:12.000 Hassan.

00:50:14.000 He reacted to my reaction, mocking me.

00:50:20.000 So, first, so he agreed the military industrial complex.

00:50:25.000 So, basically, what happened was he says in his video, the military industrial complex is bad, funding all these wars.

00:50:30.000 I reckoned him saying, I agree with Assad, the military industrial complex is bad, Ukraine's a great example.

00:50:35.000 He then laughed at me saying, Yo, bro, literally thinks we shouldn't support Ukraine because these people don't have any actual policy positions or vision.

00:50:45.000 It's literally, are you in or are you out?

00:50:48.000 And what that leads to is politicians like Adam Schiff.

00:50:51.000 It leads to politicians like Zorhan Mamdani.

00:50:54.000 They're lying about everything. 1.00

00:50:56.000 Their stated goal is destruction, but stupid people vote for them because stupid people are angry. 1.00

00:51:00.000 Can I ask you a question? 1.00

00:51:01.000 So it seems like, from what your whole description earlier about what happened to you is just, it sounds like a massive overreach on the behalf of social media companies, but as well as the government, right?

00:51:11.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:51:11.000 So I guess the question is like, in lieu of what happened to you as an individual, shouldn't it give us pause, perhaps, that somebody would have such an egregious.

00:51:21.000 Now, to be fair, This lady did not make that statement herself specifically, but it's very likely she hasn't withdrawn her support from this organization.

00:51:28.000 Should it not give us pause that somebody with such an egregious claim as the eradication of Western civilization would be allowed anywhere near power in a country that's already proven that even those less radical than she is have the capability of ruining someone's life?

00:51:47.000 I mean, I just think it's a chance that we take as.

00:51:51.000 I get what you're saying about.

00:51:53.000 I get what you're saying about kind of hands off, and it's scary to do that, but.

00:51:57.000 Yes.

00:51:58.000 I mean, I think it's.

00:52:00.000 I'm fundamentally.

00:52:01.000 I mean, like, I'm like the last person like this.

00:52:04.000 I'm a constitutionalist.

00:52:06.000 I'm a Protestant guy.

00:52:07.000 I think that's true.

00:52:08.000 I think that's true.

00:52:09.000 I want to believe in the genius of this country and the genius of the people who created it.

00:52:13.000 I don't think that's true.

00:52:14.000 You don't think that's what I am, or you don't think I'm the last?

00:52:16.000 Absolutely not.

00:52:17.000 Okay, what am I?

00:52:19.000 Let's play the game I play with everybody.

00:52:20.000 Do you believe in the First Amendment?

00:52:21.000 Of course.

00:52:22.000 Do you believe the founding fathers' vision of the First Amendment is correct and you want to adhere to it?

00:52:27.000 I mean, this is a trap question.

00:52:29.000 I'll just say yes.

00:52:29.000 Of course it is.

00:52:30.000 Yeah, because the founding fathers thought that blasphemy should be illegal.

00:52:34.000 And it was, I think, currently we do have blasphemy laws in the books.

00:52:38.000 And I think the last SCOTUS ruling was actually like 1956.

00:52:41.000 So if you want to adhere to the Constitution the way it was intended, we should arrest anyone who says Christ is not king.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, but.

00:52:47.000 As they did.

00:52:47.000 They did this.

00:52:49.000 They also said that they, well, I don't know of, did they actually, the federal government arrested people who said Christ is not king?

00:52:55.000 Well, there was one instance where a man said, not literally, Christ is not king.

00:53:01.000 But this was a famous case in Massachusetts, and I think it was like 1828.

00:53:05.000 I always get the date wrong, where it went to the Massachusetts Supreme Court, where he said something to the effect of Christ is not our Lord and Savior.

00:53:11.000 He was a universalist or something, and they arrested him, and he went to jail for it.

00:53:15.000 So we also had slaves, right?

00:53:18.000 But we amended the Constitution.

00:53:19.000 That's right.

00:53:19.000 We amended the Constitution.

00:53:20.000 We did not amend the Constitution as it pertains to the First Amendment.

00:53:22.000 No, but the Constitution is still a living document, okay?

00:53:25.000 I mean, I can believe in its principles and believe that it's a living document.

00:53:30.000 But you don't believe in its principles.

00:53:32.000 I do believe in its principles.

00:53:33.000 I don't believe that blasphemy should be illegal.

00:53:36.000 That was a founding principle of the First Amendment.

00:53:39.000 Man, I'm sort of taking your word on this one, and you did quote this case to me, but I. Blasphemy was illegal in the scripture for a long time. 0.79

00:53:39.000 The purpose. 0.79

00:53:47.000 Because the fathers can't establish any religion, okay? 0.63

00:53:47.000 You know that, right? 0.63

00:53:49.000 No establishment of religion.

00:53:51.000 And the purpose was to avoid internecine conflict.

00:53:53.000 So you know George Carlin got arrested for swearing, right?

00:53:55.000 Yes.

00:53:56.000 Where's the First Amendment there?

00:53:57.000 But that, okay, that was a mistake, and it's been rectified.

00:54:00.000 You can swear.

00:54:01.000 My point is, you couldn't swear it at any point before that.

00:54:04.000 It's a living document.

00:54:04.000 That's right.

00:54:05.000 Standards have changed.

00:54:06.000 So you don't care about the Constitution.

00:54:08.000 You care about your moral framework applied using the Constitution to back your views.

00:54:13.000 No, other way around.

00:54:14.000 I believe about the.

00:54:15.000 So hate speech should be illegal?

00:54:17.000 No.

00:54:17.000 But hold on.

00:54:18.000 Democrats think hate speech is not protected speech.

00:54:21.000 Is their view of the Constitution right or wrong?

00:54:21.000 Okay, I don't know.

00:54:25.000 That is incorrect.

00:54:26.000 That view.

00:54:27.000 Well, they say you're incorrect.

00:54:30.000 Well, okay.

00:54:31.000 How about this?

00:54:32.000 The founding fathers.

00:54:32.000 You're still being under the framework that the Constitution provides.

00:54:36.000 If you believe in the.

00:54:38.000 As an originalist.

00:54:40.000 In the Constitution, blasphemy should be illegal.

00:54:44.000 If you want that changed, you should amend the Constitution.

00:54:47.000 So I'm not a textualist in the Constitution's words from 17.

00:54:53.000 No, no, no.

00:54:54.000 You said it was a living document.

00:54:55.000 That's textualism.

00:54:56.000 No.

00:54:57.000 Originalism is what the intent was, textualism is what it reads as.

00:55:01.000 You're correct.

00:55:01.000 Fair enough.

00:55:02.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.000 So you're a textualist in that however the language applies today by our understanding of the words should be applied today.

00:55:09.000 Yes.

00:55:10.000 I would say that's correct.

00:55:11.000 So when they change the definition of man or woman, it fundamentally changes the 19th Amendment.

00:55:17.000 That's cool. 0.87

00:55:18.000 It was John Adams that criticized these blasphemy laws and got the spurs kicked on to get them changed. 0.94

00:55:24.000 I thought they were arcane.

00:55:25.000 But it didn't happen.

00:55:26.000 Yeah, but he spoke at the time.

00:55:27.000 Even sedition was illegal.

00:55:29.000 And it was like, what was it?

00:55:30.000 Was it Adams?

00:55:31.000 Was it Adams who was arresting people for sedition?

00:55:33.000 And then Jefferson was like, I'm putting these options in the ACE.

00:55:36.000 But it has changed.

00:55:37.000 I mean, it took 100, 200 years.

00:55:39.000 Like, there was literally a period at the founding of the country where speaking out against America was a crime.

00:55:43.000 Yes.

00:55:45.000 My point is.

00:55:47.000 I hear from so many people, they're like, look, I believe in the Constitution.

00:55:49.000 Nobody does.

00:55:50.000 No one actually believes in the Constitution.

00:55:53.000 They believe in their moral interpretation of what the Constitution provides for them.

00:55:57.000 And that's why liberals say hate speech is not protected under the First Amendment, and the right says it is, because it's a different moral worldview.

00:56:03.000 They're both claiming the Constitution belongs to them.

00:56:06.000 The Founding Fathers disagree with everybody.

00:56:08.000 Like gun rights, for instance.

00:56:09.000 Do you believe in the Second Amendment?

00:56:10.000 Yes.

00:56:11.000 So do you think that Virginia has a right to ban guns?

00:56:15.000 No.

00:56:15.000 The Founding Fathers did.

00:56:17.000 The federal Constitution only applied to the federal government at the time and states.

00:56:21.000 Under the 9th and 10th, they were allowed to ban guns if they wanted to.

00:56:23.000 And in fact, they did.

00:56:24.000 And it wasn't until the 80s.

00:56:25.000 This is fascinating.

00:56:26.000 If you take a look into shall issue or may issue permitting, before the 80s, states did not have to grant you the right to keep and bear arms.

00:56:34.000 It was culturally normative that people had guns and the state wouldn't arrest you for it.

00:56:39.000 But it was actually quite difficult in many circumstances to get permits.

00:56:42.000 And only recently, did you know that the right to keep a gun on your person only exists in the United States as of 2010?

00:56:50.000 I did not.

00:56:51.000 Only 16 years.

00:56:53.000 In fact, we don't even have national constitutional carry yet.

00:56:55.000 So the Second Amendment doesn't even apply.

00:56:58.000 The idea that the federal constitution applies to this country, the right to keep and bear arms, is not even correct.

00:57:03.000 McDonald, what is it?

00:57:04.000 McDonald v. No, no, that was McDonald v. Chicago.

00:57:07.000 So it was D.C. versus Heller, where they said the individual right to keep and bear arms extends, I think, to private ownership.

00:57:16.000 Like you are allowed to have guns in your house.

00:57:18.000 And then McDonald v. Chicago was actually you can carry them around.

00:57:21.000 It's been steadily extended, yes.

00:57:23.000 So here's the point.

00:57:24.000 If we believe the Second Amendment was intended to say the federal constitution is supreme, you cannot ban people from having guns, then I could carry a gun across state lines whenever I wanted to, but you can't.

00:57:34.000 You'll go to jail.

00:57:35.000 You go to prison for that.

00:57:36.000 So the federal constitution is still not even being upheld by any party or this country.

00:57:40.000 And only in the last 16 years do we start to see the emergence of constitutional carry.

00:57:44.000 Again, there is a tension in the United States under the constitution between federal and state law.

00:57:50.000 And that's as it should be.

00:57:52.000 Well, that's why I once again challenge this notion that there is a constitution that people adhere to because if you believe the federal constitution is supreme, how is there even a question that I would go to prison if you're in Pennsylvania?

00:58:06.000 And you cross the bridge on accident with your handgun, you are going to prison for four years.

00:58:10.000 And it's happened.

00:58:11.000 It happened to, there was an old lady, and she was driving to Atlantic City.

00:58:15.000 She was a permitted, she had permitted carry in Pennsylvania. 0.95

00:58:19.000 She's driving the 40 minute drive to Atlantic City when she gets pulled over for like some innocuous reason, being a good citizen.

00:58:26.000 When the cop asks her if she has any weapons on her, she says, Yes, I have my revolver on me and I have my permit for it.

00:58:31.000 And he goes, Okay, ma'am, step out of the vehicle.

00:58:33.000 And he's like, Can you show me the weapon?

00:58:35.000 He's like, I'm going to take it from you.

00:58:36.000 Put your hand behind his back.

00:58:36.000 Is that okay?

00:58:37.000 You're going to prison.

00:58:38.000 This is a felony.

00:58:39.000 And, She had just crossed the bridge in New Jersey and was like, I have a permit.

00:58:42.000 He was not in Jersey, you don't.

00:58:44.000 The only reason she got off, she had a good lawyer.

00:58:46.000 And there was a case in New Jersey where some athlete was caught with a gun and they cut him a sweetheart deal because he was famous. 0.99

00:58:51.000 So they said, We're going to make a big stink about this because you're going after a little old lady when you let this football player go.

00:58:57.000 So they cut a deal and said, Never come back.

00:58:59.000 But there are many instances where people cross that bridge on accident and they're in prison right now.

00:59:03.000 I know a dude who was from California.

00:59:06.000 He was driving to New York and he was driving through Illinois and he had like three or four long guns in his trunk.

00:59:12.000 He exits the federal highway to get gas, and a cop walks up and says, I'm searching your vehicle, finds the guns.

00:59:19.000 What was the probable cause on that?

00:59:21.000 I don't know the faulty source of the case, but the dude ended up having to live in Illinois for the rest of his life.

00:59:28.000 He got criminally charged for illegal transport of firearms on the federal highway.

00:59:32.000 They won't pull you over.

00:59:34.000 He had to get gas.

00:59:35.000 Now he's in Illinois.

00:59:36.000 And they said, These guns, you can't.

00:59:38.000 I think he had a couple long guns and some handguns.

00:59:41.000 And they said, Felony, you're under arrest.

00:59:43.000 And what was supposed to be a move from California.

00:59:46.000 To New York turned into a 20 year sentence in Illinois.

00:59:51.000 So he didn't go to prison for 20 years.

00:59:52.000 He went for like six or seven.

00:59:55.000 And then when he got out, he was on probation and couldn't leave the state.

00:59:58.000 And so he was like, I never intended to stay in Illinois. 0.97

01:00:01.000 He was a black dude and he was like, they're all racist. 0.97

01:00:03.000 That's what happened. 0.97

01:00:03.000 And I'm like, well, yeah, maybe. 0.97

01:00:06.000 But anyway, yeah, there's no constitution.

01:00:08.000 But that is not, that's a cynical argument and it's not true.

01:00:13.000 It's not a perfect document.

01:00:14.000 Well, hold on, hold on.

01:00:15.000 And we can argue about details and we can argue.

01:00:17.000 But it provides a good framework for this country.

01:00:20.000 Well, let's parse the semantics.

01:00:24.000 Hyperbolically, I would say, of course, there's a constitution.

01:00:28.000 We cite it all the time.

01:00:30.000 I am saying the message and the rights guaranteed by the constitution do not functionally exist in the United States, they are only a basis by which people try to assert political authority over others.

01:00:41.000 That's it.

01:00:42.000 That's why you get a conservative Supreme Court and they fundamentally change the understanding of the law.

01:00:47.000 That's it.

01:00:48.000 Whoever has the power can enforce it.

01:00:49.000 Well, I look, I gotta really hope you're wrong because I am bringing this case in the Second Circuit, New York.

01:00:55.000 Okay.

01:00:56.000 It's a liberal circuit.

01:00:57.000 And basically, the law that I'm saying was violated in my case is a federal civil rights law.

01:01:03.000 And what I'm saying is, unvaccinated people, including me, during COVID, were denied the right to speak and listen.

01:01:03.000 Okay.

01:01:10.000 I was denied the right to speak to them.

01:01:12.000 They were denied the right to listen to me.

01:01:13.000 That was because of this federal slash Pfizer conspiracy.

01:01:17.000 And There should be an action that I can take against that.

01:01:21.000 Okay.

01:01:21.000 My First Amendment rights were violated.

01:01:25.000 The Second Circuit has extended this in a lot of directions.

01:01:28.000 They actually said that this clause, which is called 1985, extended to Arab and Muslim suspected terrorists after 9 11.

01:01:38.000 James Lawrence and I are arguing that the unvaccinated, the COVID unvaccinated, were a sort of deeply disliked class in 2020 and 2021.

01:01:47.000 And in fact, you know, in New York City, you couldn't go into restaurants and various things if you were not vaccinated.

01:01:53.000 And so we deserve protection.

01:01:56.000 So, okay.

01:01:57.000 So obviously, the Second Circuit is a liberal circuit.

01:02:00.000 Liberals generally don't like this argument.

01:02:02.000 So, we are hoping that for once they actually take a principled stand.

01:02:02.000 Yep.

01:02:08.000 So, let me ask you then can you explain to the audience the purpose of venue selection?

01:02:13.000 I can't venue select.

01:02:15.000 I didn't ask you if you could.

01:02:15.000 No, no, no, no.

01:02:16.000 Can you explain the purpose of venue selection?

01:02:18.000 It's to find a judge who was appointed by somebody you think will be more favorable to you.

01:02:23.000 So, what actually is happening is you are bending the knee before a political magistrate saying, please, please agree with me.

01:02:32.000 And not based on the merits, based on whether.

01:02:35.000 You are the right, whether you're willing to bestow upon me your.

01:02:39.000 I'm asking them.

01:02:40.000 Venue selection.

01:02:41.000 You're principled about it.

01:02:42.000 No, you're not.

01:02:43.000 Yes, I am.

01:02:43.000 Venue selection exists because every lawyer knows you're really just asking the judge to grant you permission.

01:02:52.000 Otherwise, if you had the option, you would not be bringing this case in a liberal court.

01:02:56.000 You'd go to West Virginia.

01:02:56.000 No.

01:02:57.000 Right.

01:02:58.000 And you'd go to Wyoming.

01:02:59.000 But I. Why would you do that?

01:03:01.000 Because you know they'll politically agree with you and grant you a permit.

01:03:04.000 Ironically, you're actually wrong.

01:03:06.000 And here's why.

01:03:07.000 In this case, you are wrong.

01:03:08.000 Most circuits, procedurally, maybe?

01:03:12.000 It's more basic than that.

01:03:13.000 This law, 1985, was passed after Reconstruction or during Reconstruction.

01:03:19.000 Many circuits, including the fifth, which is the most conservative, right?

01:03:19.000 Okay.

01:03:23.000 Texas, Alabama, Louisiana.

01:03:24.000 I think it's Texas, maybe Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana.

01:03:27.000 Texas and Louisiana.

01:03:29.000 Okay. 0.99

01:03:29.000 The fifth says basically 1985 only applies to black people, only black people can have its protections. 0.99

01:03:36.000 The second, because New York is liberal, Has extended in a lot of directions, same sex couples, you know, disabled people.

01:03:44.000 So, if I were bringing it in a conservative circuit, if they were going to follow their precedent at all, they'd have to toss it immediately. 0.67

01:03:50.000 It's because I'm in the second that I have a chance.

01:03:53.000 So, the procedural issue here is that a network of precedents are created specifically in this circuit, and you are challenging the base, the foundational stone that if they rule against you could disrupt the other plans they have.

01:04:07.000 The point ultimately is this no one is going to court.

01:04:11.000 On the merits.

01:04:12.000 That's a lie we tell ourselves.

01:04:14.000 It's a lie I'm telling myself right now.

01:04:15.000 Indeed.

01:04:16.000 Because I've been involved in more than enough lawsuits to understand that the first thing the lawyers tell you is we got to find the right venue.

01:04:22.000 Why?

01:04:23.000 Because we're looking for a judge who agrees with us morally and politically.

01:04:26.000 And then it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong.

01:04:28.000 In fact, I was dealing with a copyright lawsuit and I was explicitly told listen, if we bring this suit in California where the record labels are, you lose in two seconds.

01:04:38.000 It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong.

01:04:39.000 They are there in the pocket of the major labels and they're not going to threaten their economy for some guy from West Virginia.

01:04:45.000 If you sue in West Virginia, the inverse is true.

01:04:48.000 The conservative people here are going to be like, Tim Poole brings money to the state.

01:04:51.000 We will give him whatever he wants.

01:04:53.000 That's the nature of politics.

01:04:54.000 And I think the idea that it operates otherwise is just to make regular people feel like we have a just system.

01:05:00.000 I can only tell you, and again, I had a venue problem in Barrenson v. Twitter, okay?

01:05:04.000 Brought it in the federal circuit, the Northern District of California.

01:05:08.000 The judge was a Clinton appointee, but he was a good, honest guy.

01:05:12.000 He was an old judge, a senior emeritus, and he didn't care about.

01:05:19.000 Doing anything except trying to like look at the case and realize that I had a case against Twitter.

01:05:25.000 So, maybe I'm biased because that happened.

01:05:28.000 But again, what's being stated here is that I asked a man of principle, a man who thought his job was right and just.

01:05:36.000 The issue that we're going, we can go all the way back to Daria Liza now, Chevalier. 0.94

01:05:41.000 What do you think she would do if she was on a judge's panel? 1.00

01:05:44.000 Yeah, I would trust her.

01:05:45.000 As far as I could throw her, yes.

01:05:47.000 Well, you'd go in before her and say, here's the case. 0.95

01:05:49.000 And she'll go, uh huh, contempt, lock him up. 0.54

01:05:52.000 And she's going to be like, welcome to my court, baby.

01:05:54.000 Because we see this stuff happening. 0.99

01:05:56.000 Look at Judge Dugan, who let a criminal escape.

01:05:59.000 The issue ultimately is this.

01:06:02.000 We'll get into the next story.

01:06:03.000 I'll say that all judges are unethical, or to claim that none of them are ethical.

01:06:08.000 Well, let me finish my point so you can understand.

01:06:11.000 If you go back to the 90s, you'll find that the political leanings of Democrats and Republicans are almost identical.

01:06:15.000 There were a few wedge issues that disagreed on how much taxes we should have progressively and what are the limits on abortion.

01:06:22.000 But when you look at Pew's research, which has famously been analyzed a million and one times ad nauseum, you can see that the peaks for each party overlap and they're only slightly different.

01:06:31.000 Today, you can see left and right are completely divergent.

01:06:33.000 So, the simple question is this.

01:06:36.000 If a person came into your courtroom who was in a lawsuit and the goal of winning the lawsuit was to sterilize and castrate a bunch of little boys, are you going to allow that person to do it as a judge?

01:06:49.000 I tell you this a conservative judge is going to be like, it's not happening.

01:06:51.000 To be fair, a lot of conservative judges will be like, I am constrained by the law because I'm a man of principle and they let the left do whatever they want. 0.77

01:06:58.000 I'd imagine if you were a judge, you'd say, it's unfortunate that you have the legal right to sterilize and castrate children, but I will let you do it.

01:07:04.000 Because I see that as.

01:07:06.000 Your moral worldview in the instance of Dari Eliza, we have a more strong moral stance in if someone's explicit goal is to kill or destroy my country, my people, and the things that I've supported, we will not allow them to take office. 0.58

01:07:21.000 Your position is they're voted for it, so they should be allowed to do it. 0.59

01:07:25.000 Like, I get it because I'm more wishy washy in a lot of ways as well.

01:07:29.000 But I guess the idea is like you said, I don't think it's wishy washy.

01:07:32.000 No, for me specifically, it's like I'm not a hard one, I don't have a lot of hard line stances on a lot of things.

01:07:36.000 But for me specifically in this, You mentioned you consider yourself a constitutionalist.

01:07:42.000 Assuming that she believes what was said in that statement, she hasn't disavowed it.

01:07:46.000 She doesn't believe in the Constitution.

01:07:48.000 She believes that as an enemy of the United States or somebody who wants to end Western civilization, that she would theoretically have a problem with the Constitution. 0.96

01:07:55.000 Why would we trust?

01:07:56.000 Not just because it doesn't mean she agrees with it.

01:07:58.000 She doesn't agree with it. 0.97

01:07:59.000 She thinks she described the United States as evil, white, patriarchal settler colonialism that needs to be destroyed. 0.93

01:08:05.000 Is that an opinion? 0.97

01:08:06.000 Yes, it's an opinion.

01:08:07.000 The question is does she believe in the Constitution when she calls it? Evil settler colonialism, the answer is no, she does not.

01:08:14.000 I mean, that's a conflation of ideas.

01:08:16.000 No, it's not.

01:08:17.000 What's evil?

01:08:18.000 I mean, America has become a militant, grotesque form in a lot of ways.

01:08:22.000 Now you're arguing something totally different.

01:08:24.000 Well, it's not the same United States.

01:08:25.000 You're arguing for constitutionalism. 1.00

01:08:27.000 She's arguing that the bureaucracy is too big and it's controlling the world too much.

01:08:30.000 No, she's not. 0.95

01:08:32.000 She argued that white Europeans coming here was an explicit evil that needs to be stopped.

01:08:37.000 You're going to need to pull up exactly what she said because we started this clip off with a conflation of a company she's connected to making a claim.

01:08:43.000 No, we didn't.

01:08:44.000 And then we start talking as if she's the one saying it.

01:08:46.000 And she's the founder of CUAD who issued the statement.

01:08:48.000 Whatever.

01:08:48.000 You got a lot of employees.

01:08:49.000 You know that if they go out in public and say stuff, it does not reflect on you.

01:08:52.000 If the Tim Cast Corporation issues a press release, it's approved by me.

01:08:56.000 If one of the 10 founders.

01:08:58.000 Ian.

01:08:59.000 Ian, for instance.

01:09:00.000 Yes.

01:09:00.000 People founded that company that made the statement.

01:09:01.000 Is she even involved with them?

01:09:02.000 Look, I got questions.

01:09:03.000 For context, the thing she's called for, she's called for abolishing police, prisons, and borders.

01:09:07.000 She clarified her position on defunding the police by writing in it that her vision means ending police, full stop, no more police ever at all.

01:09:14.000 She retweeted literally abolish the border.

01:09:17.000 All deportation is wrong. 1.00

01:09:18.000 She called the United States a fucking disgrace, referred to the U.S. as occupied Native American land, and joked about wiping her dirty hands on American flag. 0.99

01:09:25.000 She wrote favorably about communism, wrote, seize the means of production, called for nationalizing utilities, pharmaceutical companies, and seizing all properties from landlords. 0.99

01:09:34.000 Wrote that pyromania associated with anarchism is very intriguing to me. 0.90

01:09:39.000 She called Joe Biden a rapist and a war criminal and said she wouldn't vote for him. 0.84

01:09:43.000 She said, F Kamala Harris and criticized Bernie Sanders and AOC for being too pro Israel. 1.00

01:09:48.000 And she wrote that black and Arab men fetishize ugly colonizer women. 1.00

01:09:52.000 You said that she said to steal all land from all landlords. 1.00

01:09:56.000 She said, let me make sure that I'm actually saying it correctly.

01:09:59.000 She said, seizing all properties from landlords.

01:10:04.000 What was her claim?

01:10:04.000 What did she say?

01:10:05.000 She said, she called for the seizing of all properties from landlords.

01:10:10.000 What was the statement?

01:10:11.000 When did she say that?

01:10:12.000 She called for, that's the statement.

01:10:14.000 Here's what we can do.

01:10:14.000 That's a quote.

01:10:15.000 Here's what we can do.

01:10:16.000 I'm looking at it, dude.

01:10:18.000 Here's what we can do.

01:10:19.000 Yes.

01:10:19.000 Ian, you're looking for specific quotes, and we're giving you a broad overview of a political organization.

01:10:25.000 Can I finish with a handful of quotes?

01:10:27.000 Now, if you take issue with like the executive statements, the literal statement that we'll see you in.

01:10:33.000 We're going to have 10 out of context quotes.

01:10:34.000 I wanted context.

01:10:35.000 Indeed.

01:10:35.000 So, right now, if you are unprepared to have that debate, instead of saying, I'm angry and don't believe you, you can leave.

01:10:41.000 Show me the context.

01:10:43.000 And my point is when you pull up, like, if a journalist reads the book or like I read the manifesto, right, from the Montreal shooter, and I can tell you that he did not hate women, he actually loved women, but he hated modern society, capitalism, hypergamy.

01:11:00.000 You would say, What did he say specifically?

01:11:02.000 And I'd say, I am paraphrasing from reading 104 pages.

01:11:06.000 If you want his quotes, go find them or tell me you don't trust him.

01:11:09.000 Don't bring up his quotes if you don't have them.

01:11:11.000 You can talk from memory if you want.

01:11:13.000 Phil was reading what he did.

01:11:14.000 And that's what he did.

01:11:15.000 My point is.

01:11:15.000 And you're mad about it.

01:11:16.000 He gave me 10 cool things.

01:11:18.000 It is not an argument to say, Oh, you found a list of things she said.

01:11:22.000 I want you to prove it more than you already did because I don't know.

01:11:25.000 It's like, okay, you can go in the other room and you can look it up and then come back with those quotes and we'll talk about it.

01:11:30.000 But right now, telling Phil that the work he did pulling quotes and paraphrasing is not adequate is not an argument.

01:11:37.000 That's true.

01:11:38.000 I mean, I'm not trying to denounce the value of what you brought up.

01:11:42.000 I want to know more.

01:11:43.000 Bro, she has a tweet where she said, My hands were dirty.

01:11:45.000 I had no napkin, so I turned around and wiped my hands on the flag.

01:11:47.000 It's not illegal to run for office and get into it.

01:11:49.000 For any of that stuff you said, you can get elected.

01:11:51.000 Pretty sure desecration of the American flag could be like an ethics violation or something.

01:11:57.000 Well, yeah, it possibly is an ethics violation.

01:11:59.000 Guys, we're ragging on the left so much.

01:12:00.000 I think we got to rag on the right.

01:12:01.000 So I'm going to do this.

01:12:03.000 We've got this from the Babylon Bee that I want to play for you guys.

01:12:06.000 They wrote We asked AI to simulate if the US had a second civil war, and I'm going to play this video for you guys.

01:12:22.000 It was late 2026, and political conflict was coming to a head.

01:12:27.000 The right was not giving any ground, and the left decided it was time to take action.

01:12:32.000 We had to do something.

01:12:34.000 The Republicans were using every trick in the book, mainly voting to take over our country.

01:12:40.000 It was finally time for war.

01:12:42.000 The left began to quickly make preparations to take the country by force.

01:12:47.000 It's not easy to start a war, it involves a lot of talking on the phone, which gives many of us anxiety.

01:12:55.000 An initial target was settled on, a lazy suburb that served as a symbol of the bourgeoisie and capitalism.

01:13:03.000 But this small neighborhood was not caught by surprise.

01:13:06.000 Doreen's son goes to one of those fruity colleges on the West Coast, and we got word from him war was coming.

01:13:13.000 The invading army descended on the small neighborhood, but the attack did not go as planned.

01:13:18.000 In the city, we're used to being able to burn down a target and no one does anything.

01:13:24.000 I guess it's different in the suburbs, though.

01:13:26.000 The suburbanites had an ace up their sleeves.

01:13:29.000 Firearms.

01:13:30.000 One of the big issues is how we hate guns, but the right loves them.

01:13:34.000 I guess none of us considered how big a disadvantage that would put us in a civil war.

01:13:38.000 A single warning shot was fired, causing half the invading force to have a panic attack.

01:13:44.000 The rest fled for their lives.

01:13:47.000 The second American Civil War was over.

01:13:49.000 Everyone said I was crazy owning six AR 15s.

01:13:53.000 And I guess they had a point since we had a full civil war and I barely needed the one.

01:13:59.000 The left signed a statement of unconditional surrender.

01:14:04.000 The right was now fully in control of the country.

01:14:07.000 As part of the surrender, we technically own California.

01:14:11.000 We're seeing if it's possible to just push it off into the sea.

01:14:15.000 Many of the losing combatants fled to the far north.

01:14:18.000 Starvation was rampant among them from lack of access to DoorDash.

01:14:23.000 Still, not everyone saw what happened as a total loss for the left.

01:14:28.000 I think we won by showing we will stand up to Republicans.

01:14:31.000 But haven't you been exiled to Canada?

01:14:34.000 It's great.

01:14:35.000 I love it here.

01:14:39.000 Gavin Newsom was soon eaten by a moose.

01:14:41.000 Cringe boomer slop.

01:14:42.000 Yeah.

01:14:43.000 Like, I understand the jokes, but yeah, cringe boomer slop is the perfect example.

01:14:43.000 I call it, yeah, right.

01:14:47.000 The first question is how many left wingers have been killed by conservatives?

01:14:53.000 I think, oh.

01:14:54.000 Is it zero?

01:14:55.000 How many right wing individuals have been killed, maimed, or otherwise injured, attacked, terrorized?

01:15:01.000 Like, three attacks on the president, Charlie Kirk, um, Aaron Danielson was killed.

01:15:07.000 Danielson.

01:15:07.000 Just a Trump supporter walking down the street, got shot twice in the chest by a leftist for no reason.

01:15:12.000 There were people that had gone to the.

01:15:15.000 that were intending on killing Supreme Court justices over the.

01:15:18.000 Right.

01:15:19.000 There was also the planned terror attack on UFC where they were going to launch drones and then shoot civilians fleeing.

01:15:25.000 There was the.

01:15:26.000 obviously the ICE terror facilities where a cop got shot in the neck.

01:15:30.000 There was the incident where the sniper shot into the van, shooting a couple of the migrants thinking they were federal agents. 0.58

01:15:35.000 There was, of course.

01:15:37.000 The attacks on all the Tesla facilities, where a man showed up with a rifle and unloaded.

01:15:41.000 There was the guy in Spokane, Washington, who showed up with a rifle, a ghost gun, and Molotov started firebombing an ICE facility and unloading.

01:15:47.000 Fortunately, no one got shot. 1.00

01:15:50.000 This Babylon Bebo was. 1.00

01:15:51.000 Luigi Mangione.

01:15:52.000 Yeah, Luigi Mangione.

01:15:54.000 And the perception of your run of the mill conservatives is like the left hates guns, even though the left is ardently pro gun.

01:16:01.000 And they have the John Brown Gun Club, the Red Guard, just to name some examples.

01:16:06.000 And they march around taking over blocks of their cities.

01:16:09.000 There's the Autonomous Stone in Portland.

01:16:11.000 There was for two years an autonomous zone, George Floyd Square, where a guy on a roof had a rifle on a tripod aiming at people.

01:16:20.000 And the Babylon B and these run of the mill conservatives are sitting there being like, aren't we so smart?

01:16:25.000 So I tell you this my vision of what a second civil war would look like, at least based on how they view it, is that far leftists would show up with a bunch of AR 15s and switches, like Glocks with switches, and they'd instantly take over the small suburb town, seize the guns from the sleepy suburbanites who have them, and then kill a bunch of people who resisted, and you will get a conflict.

01:16:47.000 Then the Republicans are going to go, now, now, everybody, there's not much we can do.

01:16:51.000 I mean, This is a local matter, so the federal government's not going to get involved.

01:16:56.000 And then the Democrats in the state where it happens, let's say it's Illinois, are going to be like on TV.

01:17:01.000 But these are peaceful protesters.

01:17:03.000 You need to understand.

01:17:05.000 And not just that, if one of them does manage to get arrested, somebody running for president for the Democrats will put in their bio about how you can donate to the fund to get them out.

01:17:14.000 Yep.

01:17:15.000 It's fascinating to me that we have had for nearly a decade left wing extremism to a psychotic degree.

01:17:22.000 And conservatives to this day, not all of them, but many of them, maintain the left are weak, can't fight, have no guns.

01:17:29.000 And I'm like, remember when the leftists unloaded 300 rounds into the SUV in Portland?

01:17:34.000 Yeah, yeah, was it?

01:17:35.000 No, Seattle, sorry.

01:17:36.000 And they're like, oh, I didn't know that happened.

01:17:38.000 Remember when they firebombed the White House?

01:17:40.000 They did.

01:17:40.000 Remember when they shot Aaron Dalton twice in the chest and killed him simply walking down the street with the Trump gear on?

01:17:46.000 I think there's also like a fundamental gap between people who think of like the pink haired liberal and the militant leftist, which are.

01:17:53.000 Different things, and they're kind of conflating the two, which is something you should do to your own detriment.

01:17:58.000 There's also constitutionalists and Trump lovers, like MAGA dudes.

01:18:01.000 Those are the right, you know, like it's not the same, it's not a monolith.

01:18:05.000 My question is this How do we coexist with this Chevalier in Congress?

01:18:14.000 This girl?

01:18:16.000 Yeah, that's her name. 1.00

01:18:16.000 Yeah, she's going to go to Congress in January 3rd. 1.00

01:18:19.000 Winning the primaries, effectively winning because it's a Democrat district. 1.00

01:18:23.000 So.

01:18:24.000 How do we in this country coexist with enemies?

01:18:31.000 Better ideas usually is my tactic.

01:18:33.000 Better ideas, putting their ideas on blast and debating them.

01:18:36.000 Okay, so let's try this. 1.00

01:18:38.000 A guy outside, let's say there's a black outside, screaming, All white people must die. 1.00

01:18:43.000 The next white man I see, I will kill. 1.00

01:18:45.000 Are you going to have an idea to change his mind perhaps? 1.00

01:18:47.000 No, that would be disturbing the peace.

01:18:48.000 He'd get arrested.

01:18:50.000 No, I'm.

01:18:51.000 If I'm.

01:18:52.000 On a street corner screaming that people need to die, he should be arrested by the cops.

01:18:55.000 Okay, so what do you think happens when those cops show up?

01:18:58.000 They will arrest him for disturbing the people.

01:18:59.000 Well, he's armed.

01:19:00.000 Am I the king right now?

01:19:01.000 Is this my world armed?

01:19:01.000 No, I'm asking you what you think will happen.

01:19:04.000 I think he will be arrested and detained for.

01:19:06.000 He's going to lay his gun down and say, Oh, you got me.

01:19:08.000 Oh, he's got a gun and he's screaming. 1.00

01:19:09.000 He's going to kill people. 0.97

01:19:10.000 They'll probably have guns pointed at him and hopefully they'll de escalate. 1.00

01:19:10.000 The people are going to die. 1.00

01:19:13.000 I thought you had ideas that could stop that.

01:19:15.000 You asked me about this girl in Congress.

01:19:17.000 I said, How do we coexist with enemies?

01:19:19.000 You said, Better ideas.

01:19:20.000 You said the girl's name.

01:19:21.000 How do we coexist with this girl and people like this?

01:19:24.000 And then after that, I said, How do you coexist with your enemies?

01:19:29.000 And you said better ideas.

01:19:30.000 Now you're asking how I coexist with.

01:19:32.000 I changed the goalposts before you interjected.

01:19:35.000 Intention. 0.76

01:19:35.000 I said better ideas with the girl in Congress on the House floor if necessary. 0.76

01:19:39.000 Okay.

01:19:39.000 And you said now there's a guy on the street corner.

01:19:41.000 Okay, so let's slow down.

01:19:43.000 I said, how do you exist with someone like Chevalier?

01:19:46.000 You didn't say anything.

01:19:48.000 I said, hold on.

01:19:49.000 No, you didn't.

01:19:50.000 I then said.

01:19:50.000 I didn't play the tape, brother.

01:19:51.000 Yes, I did.

01:19:52.000 I'm not talking about the crazy gunman there.

01:19:52.000 I was talking about her.

01:19:55.000 You guys all heard that, yeah?

01:19:56.000 Help me out here.

01:19:57.000 No, I think you did say that.

01:19:58.000 I mean, I'm talking about the crazy gunman in the order of operations.

01:20:03.000 I said, how do you exist with Chevalier?

01:20:05.000 You said nothing.

01:20:05.000 That's not true.

01:20:06.000 I said, then I. Will you stop and let me finish?

01:20:08.000 Okay, what do you remember?

01:20:11.000 I said, how do you coexist with someone like Chevalier?

01:20:14.000 I was then asked what that meant.

01:20:15.000 I said, how do we coexist with our enemies?

01:20:18.000 And you said, better ideas.

01:20:19.000 And then I said, okay, so let's say there's a guy outside. 1.00

01:20:22.000 Let's say he's a black guy screaming, I hate white people. 1.00

01:20:24.000 They should all die. 1.00

01:20:26.000 The next white person I see, I'm going to kill. 1.00

01:20:28.000 Do you have ideas for that? 1.00

01:20:29.000 What is going to happen?

01:20:31.000 My point is you thought you were responding to the Chevalier question when I had already changed the point broadly to talk about enemies coexisting in a similar space.

01:20:42.000 You're not saying he didn't move the goalpost.

01:20:44.000 Similar but different questions back to back and just like berating me for answering one of the two.

01:20:48.000 Like, what do you want? 0.93

01:20:51.000 Because, yes, when I try, this is a ridiculous idea.

01:20:54.000 Like, Ian, you're arguing semantics out of the question. 0.78

01:20:57.000 I'm not going to tell people to debate an armed gunman.

01:20:59.000 I'm telling you, if there's a girl in Congress you disagree with, you debate her on the House floor. 0.99

01:21:03.000 So there is a person in Congress saying, I'm going to vote to kill you. 0.98

01:21:07.000 What do you do? 0.99

01:21:08.000 That's hyperbolic, obviously. 1.00

01:21:10.000 She's literally said she wants the destruction of your way of life.

01:21:14.000 Are you going to change her mind? 0.86

01:21:15.000 I understand the American Empire concern.

01:21:17.000 I understand that.

01:21:18.000 I understand wanting to deconstruct the empire.

01:21:20.000 But.

01:21:21.000 So let him.

01:21:22.000 I don't want it.

01:21:23.000 It was eradicate.

01:21:23.000 But that's not what was said.

01:21:25.000 That's what that thing, that company she was involved with said.

01:21:28.000 The one that she was a founder.

01:21:29.000 Yeah, I understand what you're saying, that it's not a quote that came directly out of her mouth.

01:21:33.000 I understand what you're saying by that. 0.93

01:21:34.000 But the reason I brought up the question about a black guy screaming, I'm going to kill a white person, is to create a clear, flat moral picture. 0.97

01:21:43.000 We're not having, in the context, we're not having a debate and we are in a physical conflict. 0.96

01:21:47.000 And I'm not saying this in relation to Chevalier.

01:21:50.000 I am saying in a literal circumstance, and there is only one obvious answer.

01:21:55.000 And the point is, again, see, I'm going to tell you, Ian.

01:21:59.000 Homie.

01:22:00.000 I am not.

01:22:00.000 You work yourself up.

01:22:02.000 I am listening.

01:22:03.000 I am not asking this question to trick you.

01:22:06.000 What I am doing is I am laying out a scenario that leads us to more questions.

01:22:10.000 Well, ideally, you'd be very early on.

01:22:12.000 Because we start so it doesn't get to the armed.

01:22:14.000 And the issue is, your concern is that because you are wrong, you are trying to semantically navigate around the question.

01:22:22.000 No.

01:22:22.000 He's saying that you are conflating two things that really aren't the same at all.

01:22:22.000 No.

01:22:27.000 And you are.

01:22:28.000 Because I'm not.

01:22:29.000 Because what I'm doing is, here's a flat moral scenario in the extreme.

01:22:34.000 What happens in this flat moral scenario?

01:22:37.000 We agree.

01:22:37.000 Now we're going to move backwards and broaden the moral scenario to include variables.

01:22:44.000 This is a method of understanding in conversation.

01:22:47.000 But when you interrupt me because you don't want to answer the question because you think it's a gotcha, you are just disrupting the point.

01:22:55.000 That's not what I'm doing.

01:22:56.000 I just thought, literally, I thought you were asking about Chevalier.

01:22:59.000 That's why I'm not going to answer.

01:23:00.000 And when I tried to explain that you were wrong, you kept interrupting me saying you were right.

01:23:04.000 Well, you changed it.

01:23:05.000 And I told you I changed the goalposts.

01:23:07.000 You had a different meaning I didn't understand.

01:23:09.000 And I said, literally, after Shivali, I made the point to broaden the.

01:23:13.000 to do a flat, hard moral scenario.

01:23:15.000 You know why I did that? 1.00

01:23:16.000 Because there's only one answer to an armed man screaming, I will kill you. 0.95

01:23:21.000 The police aren't going to come up and say, Sir, please, let's have a conversation. 1.00

01:23:24.000 They're going to shoot him.

01:23:25.000 That's it. 0.94

01:23:27.000 Without the hardline moral stance, like, what do you guys think?

01:23:30.000 And I understand your point here.

01:23:32.000 Is that what do you think the odds are that somebody with.

01:23:35.000 Political positions that extreme is open to the idea of being, of having her opinion changed on stuff as fundamental as like the America, as America as a country, right?

01:23:46.000 Like, I understand the idea you go to the House floor, whatever, to argue policy or to argue legislation.

01:23:52.000 Somebody wants to pass this law, somebody else doesn't.

01:23:55.000 And then you go back and forth about it.

01:23:57.000 You'd have a whole argument about whether that's effective, anyways, all that.

01:24:00.000 But when you get down to the brass tacks and the person doesn't even believe that the country she's currently representing.

01:24:07.000 Should exist as it stands today.

01:24:09.000 How do you get anywhere with a person like that?

01:24:12.000 And I'm not trying to make this a moral gotcha question.

01:24:14.000 It's literally, I'm just saying, like, what are the odds that there's going to be any type of constructive dialogue?

01:24:18.000 So, to continue my moral framework as intended.

01:24:22.000 He just said, without getting it moralistic.

01:24:24.000 Right.

01:24:24.000 Well, I was asking you a question.

01:24:26.000 Like, how do you think that, what do you think the odds are that you can make in real life?

01:24:29.000 I don't play the odds.

01:24:30.000 And this is why.

01:24:30.000 I'm Han Solo.

01:24:32.000 If you haven't done it yet, you should, because it's not as hard as you think it is.

01:24:32.000 And debate.

01:24:36.000 The reason why I presented a moral framework with an analogy was so that I could advance it to the next question.

01:24:42.000 A man wants to kill you, he is armed.

01:24:45.000 What happens? 0.92

01:24:46.000 The police will come and try to stop him, and he's intent on killing.

01:24:49.000 It will result in conflict. 1.00

01:24:51.000 Now, let's say the man screams outside, holding up a sign saying, All white people should be murdered. 1.00

01:24:58.000 Nothing will change my mind. 0.99

01:24:59.000 Your intention is, I need to figure out how to coexist with this guy. 1.00

01:25:03.000 His intention is, I will kill him the first chance I get. 0.98

01:25:06.000 What happens in that scenario? 1.00

01:25:09.000 Personally, I will avoid the guy.

01:25:11.000 Well, you have to live with him, right?

01:25:12.000 This is like New York City.

01:25:13.000 You know, I just walk on the other side of the street.

01:25:15.000 You have to live with him, though. 0.71

01:25:16.000 That's racist.

01:25:16.000 Right?

01:25:17.000 Maybe, yeah.

01:25:18.000 I don't have to like share a bedroom with them, but you know, I actually think that's what conservatives would largely do.

01:25:25.000 And that's why we are in this position where someone like Aaron Danielson took two bolts to the chest.

01:25:30.000 Because people like you are like, I'll just avoid those that are.

01:25:32.000 What would you do?

01:25:34.000 I think someone who's saying I'm going to murder people should be arrested.

01:25:37.000 What would you do?

01:25:38.000 If I was in a field in a small town and it was my town, I'd probably get a posse together and I'd say, it's time to get this guy out of here.

01:25:45.000 That's New York City.

01:25:47.000 Right.

01:25:47.000 So I bet we're talking about is.

01:25:48.000 So what would you do?

01:25:50.000 You get a posse and go do what?

01:25:51.000 Right.

01:25:52.000 If we're talking small town, get a posse together or the local police and we say, this guy can't be here anymore.

01:25:58.000 He's threatening us.

01:25:59.000 So you get the cops to arrest him.

01:26:01.000 And we'd remove him.

01:26:02.000 I wouldn't negotiate with him.

01:26:03.000 I wouldn't let him take a seat in city council.

01:26:05.000 I would say anything he says is a lie intended to destroy us as his explicit stated intentions.

01:26:10.000 The problem we have right now is conservatives who are doing one of two things.

01:26:16.000 I'm going to ignore this and hope it goes away.

01:26:18.000 Which it hasn't for decades, and the others, which are saying, it is my intention to be principled and find understanding. 1.00

01:26:25.000 And the other guy sitting there with a smile on his face being like, what an idiot. 1.00

01:26:27.000 I'll stab him the first chance I get. 1.00

01:26:31.000 So choose to live with these people. 0.99

01:26:32.000 But, you know, that 19 year old girl who was butchered in New York City by that roving band of gangs, or the dad who got shot and killed while walking his daughter across the street, this is the world that we have gotten because of this idea of just let these people do what they want and ignore them.

01:26:48.000 I see, I am so weakened by people burying their heads in the sand.

01:26:51.000 I think people should.

01:26:52.000 Should have YouTube channels.

01:26:53.000 You wouldn't avoid the guy.

01:26:54.000 What?

01:26:55.000 So you shouldn't avoid the guy. 0.99

01:26:56.000 Well, I wouldn't walk up to him and walk in his face if he's threatening to kill white people and looking at me. 0.99

01:27:01.000 No, but. 0.99

01:27:02.000 Eye contact, cross the street, move the street.

01:27:03.000 But would you take action to stop him?

01:27:05.000 You take action to stop him, right?

01:27:05.000 What?

01:27:07.000 If he was violently threatening people, you'd have to call the cops. 1.00

01:27:10.000 Saying white people should be killed. 1.00

01:27:12.000 I think we don't allow that. 1.00

01:27:13.000 I think this, you know, we've talked about the Tweedledee Tweedledum death threats, and this is the perfect example of weak men. 0.55

01:27:21.000 And I am just tired of weak men.

01:27:22.000 So a Tweedlede Tweedledum death threat would be, I say, Anti vaxxers should be Epstein'd, right?

01:27:31.000 I'll try to keep it vague because I don't want to actually have that quote. 0.95

01:27:34.000 But let's say I said, anti vaxxers deserve the death penalty instantly on the spot, right? 0.87

01:27:40.000 That's a protected statement, right? 0.98

01:27:41.000 First Amendment, I'm allowed to say that.

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:43.000 Then Ian points at you in front of a mob and says, he's an anti vaxxer.

01:27:48.000 Neither of us broke the law, but someone shoots you.

01:27:52.000 Should we?

01:27:53.000 So I believe those two people should go to prison.

01:27:56.000 Yeah, I mean, that may be incitement.

01:27:57.000 Like, That may be it's not legal.

01:27:59.000 And so, what's happened consistently is this happens all the time the principled conservative judges say neither of them created an imminent threat, so you can't charge them.

01:28:10.000 I think we're talking something that's very fact specific.

01:28:12.000 Okay.

01:28:13.000 And by the way, Charlie Kirk, who I'm looking at up there, who is a true American hero who died believing in free speech.

01:28:20.000 Okay.

01:28:22.000 It's the right that has made everything about his death about nothing except what it's actually about. 0.51

01:28:31.000 In other words, Charlie Kirk was shot almost certainly by a guy who did it for his, you know, transgender girlfriend because he didn't like Charlie Kirk.

01:28:41.000 Yep.

01:28:41.000 Right.

01:28:42.000 So why are we talking?

01:28:44.000 Why have people on the right.

01:28:45.000 Spent the last year talking about some weird conspiracy. 1.00

01:28:48.000 Because they're idiots. 1.00

01:28:49.000 They're retarded. 1.00

01:28:50.000 It's called the retard right. 1.00

01:28:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:51.000 None of us are on that train.

01:28:52.000 I'm really glad to hear that.

01:28:55.000 My argument is advocating for death and destruction is not free speech.

01:29:00.000 The idea that you can advocate for killing people, I think, is not free speech.

01:29:06.000 Are you saying, okay, let me give you an example.

01:29:08.000 Do you think it should be allowed?

01:29:10.000 Specific people or like parasitic, you know, capitalist CEOs or whatever? 0.99

01:29:16.000 Like, I'm allowed to say I think that those people should die. 0.92

01:29:21.000 I mean, as long as I'm not naming anybody specifically, I think that's a politically protected. 1.00

01:29:27.000 There's a line, I suppose, but should die. 0.99

01:29:31.000 What I mean to say is, I don't think people should be allowed to say something like, someone needs to go kill them now. 0.99

01:29:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:38.000 I mean, again, that's free speech right now.

01:29:40.000 That's protected.

01:29:40.000 Well, are you naming a specific person?

01:29:42.000 Nope.

01:29:43.000 Okay.

01:29:43.000 So, right now, as it stands with death threats, this is how we have the Tweedledum Tweedledee thing.

01:29:48.000 Somebody will yell out at Antifa. 0.99

01:29:50.000 Nazis need to be killed on the spot. 0.99

01:29:52.000 And they say, he's not creating an imminent threat. 1.00

01:29:53.000 He's targeting nobody.

01:29:55.000 He's giving an opinion about Nazis.

01:29:56.000 The guy next to him points to Charlie Kirk and says, that's a Nazi. 0.95

01:29:59.000 And then a guy pulls his gun up and shoots him.

01:30:01.000 And they say, no one incited it.

01:30:03.000 Have you seen an actual case of that?

01:30:06.000 Because that's, that seems like incitement.

01:30:10.000 It's not.

01:30:10.000 Protected incitement.

01:30:11.000 So we've been dealing with this for a decade as it pertains to Antifa because this is how they do it.

01:30:16.000 They don't explicitly say, they don't go on Twitter and say, everybody come to this spot and commit a crime.

01:30:22.000 They break the sentences up so that no individual is responsible for the direct threat. 0.83

01:30:27.000 They did this in Colombia with Jewish students.

01:30:30.000 And then when a Jewish student showed up and everyone started attacking them, it was like, well, they got their marching orders, but no one had to tell them who to go after. 0.75

01:30:36.000 We can't exist in a country where we allow fragmented death threats. 0.76

01:30:42.000 So I don't believe that, you know, I believe that there's an interesting question on the flag burning stuff to expand the free speech conversation.

01:30:52.000 Trump says flag burning should be illegal.

01:30:54.000 Obviously, stealing someone else's flag and burning it should be simple property crime.

01:30:58.000 I believe if you own it, it's your, you can do whatever you want.

01:31:02.000 So that's free speech.

01:31:03.000 I agree.

01:31:04.000 As long as you're not burning it in an illegal way.

01:31:06.000 Like the left will light a fire in the middle of the street.

01:31:09.000 Okay, that's illegal.

01:31:10.000 You can't do that.

01:31:11.000 But when we get to the point where people are advocating for the murder of other people, and just because they're not saying go right now and kill a person, does not mean what they're saying should be considered free speech.

01:31:11.000 Right.

01:31:24.000 So, Charlie Kirk, and like, like, With Trump right now, every single one of these Gen Zers who goes on TikTok and says, someone needs to do it, and then clicks off, arrested. 0.96

01:31:35.000 You know, again, if you're naming the president. 0.98

01:31:39.000 No, no, they didn't, though.

01:31:41.000 Hassan Piker at an event said, If I said someone should do it, everybody knows what that means.

01:31:45.000 They all laughed.

01:31:47.000 Yep.

01:31:48.000 So if somebody goes on TikTok, here's what should happen.

01:31:52.000 You see all these young women, largely young women, some young guys, they sit there and be like, Why hasn't anyone done it yet?

01:31:57.000 Someone right now, go do it.

01:31:59.000 And then turn it off, that person should be arrested.

01:32:01.000 Now, what will be required is proving that what she was saying was related, was political.

01:32:08.000 Because if she had a video before it where she was like, I wish I had a cup of cookie dough, can't someone go buy it for me?

01:32:13.000 And the next video was, Someone go do it, do it right now.

01:32:16.000 Then the context is clearly not assassinations.

01:32:19.000 But we know most of these people have political profiles, are posting about how they hate Trump, and then they say, Go do it, lock them up.

01:32:24.000 Unless, of course, cookie dough is a dog whistle for Donald Trump.

01:32:27.000 No.

01:32:28.000 It's a whole other thing entirely.

01:32:29.000 I view the world as in there was a point in this country where we were one country and rights applied to those of this country who disagreed.

01:32:37.000 But we are no longer one country, we are two countries.

01:32:39.000 Wait, you don't think rights apply to people you disagree with?

01:32:43.000 That's a fact.

01:32:45.000 It's a fact.

01:32:46.000 You think that Obama gave Anwar al-Awlaki his rights?

01:32:49.000 He was an American citizen.

01:32:51.000 You think he gave Abdurrahman al-Awlaki his rights?

01:32:53.000 He was an American citizen too.

01:32:54.000 We're talking about blowing up members of Al-Qaeda?

01:32:58.000 Abdurrahman al-Awlaki was not a member of Al-Qaeda.

01:33:00.000 He was a 16-year-old kid from Boulder, Colorado, who grew up in San Diego, who was visiting his family in Yemen, and Barack Obama blew up the restaurant he was eating food at. 0.94

01:33:08.000 He was the son of Al-Qaeda.

01:33:10.000 He himself was not. 0.93

01:33:11.000 He was never a Jew. 0.97

01:33:12.000 Do you think that if an American espouses ideals of terrorism, we should just kill him on the spot? 0.99

01:33:17.000 No. 0.82

01:33:18.000 That's what Obama did.

01:33:19.000 So the obvious reality is this there is obviously an area of contention in the United States where we have two distinct nations within the borders of one country, but there are two institutional mechanisms in place by which you can't just go around killing people because this is what a civil war ultimately is.

01:33:36.000 But it is a fact that we do not grant rights to people of other countries. 0.65

01:33:41.000 People of other countries? 0.96

01:33:43.000 Yes. 1.00

01:33:44.000 No, they are not protected by the First Amendment.

01:33:46.000 They don't have constitutional rights.

01:33:48.000 Within the borders of the United States, there exist two different countries. 0.98

01:33:51.000 There's a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic.

01:33:54.000 But what you just said is people you disagree with, not people who are not constitutionally protected because they're not citizens.

01:34:00.000 I think you're conflating from what I said to make it be about me arguing with a guy.

01:34:05.000 What I said is there are two different countries, two different nations in the borders of this country.

01:34:11.000 And as a fact, the United States and all countries do not grant rights. 0.54

01:34:15.000 To people of other countries.

01:34:15.000 Absolutely.

01:34:16.000 I mean, nor should they, right? 1.00

01:34:18.000 Like, they're not American.

01:34:18.000 In which case, the question becomes at what point do people of the United States recognize there are two distinct, what is it?

01:34:27.000 I keep mixing up the words, nations within the countries within the borders of the same society.

01:34:30.000 So the country is the borders and the nation is the people, I think.

01:34:33.000 Yep.

01:34:33.000 Is that, I guess it's.

01:34:34.000 I always mix them up.

01:34:35.000 Yeah, it's a good country.

01:34:37.000 So there are two nations within the borders of one country.

01:34:40.000 This is how civil wars begin.

01:34:42.000 And it is a fact.

01:34:44.000 This is not an opinion statement.

01:34:46.000 Anybody who I think fairly assesses the political worldview of the left and the right would find that they are incongruous with each other and disastrously so.

01:34:55.000 Look, we're in a state that exists because of the Civil War, right?

01:34:59.000 Right now.

01:35:00.000 Okay.

01:35:00.000 And the country responded to that and recovered from that.

01:35:04.000 So I refuse to believe that this is going somewhere that it cannot be fixed.

01:35:09.000 So when you have a Congress where, like, let's look at, like, Ilhan Omar, for instance, you have massive fraud stealing from the public.

01:35:17.000 Coffers and smuggling that money to Somalia.

01:35:19.000 Are we saying Republicans don't do this all the time?

01:35:22.000 I'm not saying they don't.

01:35:23.000 What does that do with it?

01:35:24.000 Well, so what? 0.90

01:35:25.000 So Ilan Omer is a Democrat, so she's stealing? 0.75

01:35:27.000 She's smuggling money to a foreign country.

01:35:31.000 We think.

01:35:32.000 Well, we know that Somalis in Minnesota have been caught with big payloads of cash.

01:35:36.000 We know that she has explicitly and publicly stated she is here for the benefit of Somalia and to bring resources to Somalia.

01:35:42.000 She stated that.

01:35:43.000 So we also then know that, I think at this point, it's largely known she married her brother illegally to grant him immigration benefits, which is immigration fraud.

01:35:51.000 She's in our Congress.

01:35:52.000 But I'll give you a simpler example.

01:35:56.000 I don't know if you don't consider yourself liberal or conservative, like moderate.

01:36:00.000 Yeah, I mean, as I said at a speech a few weeks ago, I don't get invited anywhere anymore by either side.

01:36:06.000 Do you consider yourself pro life or pro choice?

01:36:11.000 If you had to categorize me, you'd categorize me as pro choice. 0.83

01:36:14.000 Do you think that a woman should be able to get an abortion at nine months? 0.88

01:36:17.000 No. 1.00

01:36:19.000 What would you do to stop her?

01:36:21.000 I banned the procedure as they do in Europe. 0.76

01:36:23.000 No, but I mean like a woman is walking past you laughing saying, you can't do anything about it.

01:36:26.000 I know it's illegal. 0.99

01:36:26.000 I'm going to do it anyway. 0.99

01:36:27.000 What would you do to stop her?

01:36:28.000 Well, if you're characterizing it as murder, which to me is, okay, there's a line of fetal viability you can set there.

01:36:38.000 Abortion is so complicated.

01:36:39.000 I know.

01:36:40.000 That's why I use it.

01:36:41.000 Right.

01:36:41.000 As somebody who has three kids, like, abortion is murder.

01:36:43.000 I wrote about this in 2022.

01:36:45.000 Abortion is murder, but it has to be legal because there's absolutely no game within restrictions.

01:36:50.000 But again, let's say so you think it should be illegal for a woman at nine months to get an abortion. 0.90

01:36:56.000 Absolutely. 0.94

01:36:58.000 Let me ask you another side question and we'll come back to this one.

01:37:01.000 If you were walking down the street in New York and you saw a man on his knees crying and another man was pointing a gun at his head, And you had a crowbar in your hand, would you intervene to save that man from getting shot in the head?

01:37:16.000 Yes.

01:37:17.000 You would try and stop, like, let's make it more explicit.

01:37:19.000 Like, the guy's on his knees saying, please, please don't kill me, just take my money and let me go.

01:37:22.000 And the guy says, I'm going to rob you and steal from you because I can and no one can stop me. 0.99

01:37:25.000 And then you're going to die. 0.99

01:37:27.000 You would intervene if you could. 0.96

01:37:29.000 I would, yeah. 1.00

01:37:29.000 You'd shoot that guy with the gun. 1.00

01:37:31.000 Yeah, hit him with the gun. 1.00

01:37:32.000 Whatever. 1.00

01:37:33.000 If you had a gun in your hand, you'd shoot that guy. 1.00

01:37:35.000 Yeah, I think so, yes. 0.99

01:37:35.000 And most people would. 0.99

01:37:38.000 I'll give you the more morally direct and obvious answer.

01:37:41.000 Let's say you're walking, you leave here, and you're in West Virginia.

01:37:44.000 And you cross over into Virginia because we don't like Virginia.

01:37:47.000 And West Virginia is the best Virginia.

01:37:49.000 And you're driving through a field, like you're driving through the countryside.

01:37:52.000 And all of a sudden you see two people in a field, and one guy's on his knees, and the other guy's whipping him.

01:37:57.000 So you pull over and you walk up, and it's a black man chained up. 0.88

01:37:59.000 And there's a white man whipping him with a gun in his hand. 0.55

01:38:03.000 And you're like, whoa, what's going on? 0.98

01:38:04.000 And the black man screams, he's kidnapped me, and he says, I'm a slave now. 0.85

01:38:07.000 Please help me. 1.00

01:38:08.000 He's going to kill me. 1.00

01:38:09.000 And the white guy yells, I own him now, and I'll kill him if I want to. 1.00

01:38:11.000 And then he cocks the gun. 1.00

01:38:13.000 Would you shoot that white man to save that black man? 1.00

01:38:16.000 I'd do it in two seconds. 1.00

01:38:17.000 Yeah, sure.

01:38:18.000 As presented, sure.

01:38:19.000 I'd do it in two seconds.

01:38:20.000 I think most people would.

01:38:20.000 Sure.

01:38:21.000 So, the reason I give you the scenario is there's no moral ambiguity to defending another life.

01:38:26.000 Right.

01:38:27.000 If a woman was about to get an abortion and a doctor had the forceps and he looked at you dead in the eyes and says, and now I kill the baby by stipping its spinal cord, would you shoot him? 0.81

01:38:37.000 I mean, to be consistent, the answer is yes.

01:38:39.000 But most conservatives say no.

01:38:41.000 I mean, yes.

01:38:42.000 I think even the sort of really hardcore pro lifers, and this is why you have to make.

01:38:47.000 Practical compromises in the real world, even the hardcore pro lifers blanch from we're going to imprison doctors and women for abortion. 0.86

01:38:56.000 So, the issue that's the problem because we know intuitively and inherently that this is something that you really can't stop women from doing. 0.76

01:39:05.000 So, no matter what, let's say there's a woman in Oklahoma, Oklahoma's completely banned abortion, but let's just say it's not even about it. 0.98

01:39:13.000 She's eight months pregnant. 0.94

01:39:15.000 Let's say that she calls an Uber. 0.94

01:39:18.000 Gets in and calls a profound on the phone saying, I'm leaving my husband.

01:39:23.000 I want to get an abortion and I don't want to be with him, so we're going to drive to Colorado.

01:39:25.000 Right. 0.98

01:39:26.000 Should the Uber driver call the police and say, she's about to commit a murder? 1.00

01:39:29.000 It's a felony in this. 0.99

01:39:30.000 It's illegal. 1.00

01:39:31.000 I'm going to stop her.

01:39:31.000 You can't do it.

01:39:41.000 You're saying she's eight months pregnant? 0.98

01:39:43.000 Then, yes, in my opinion.

01:39:43.000 Yep.

01:39:45.000 So, what happens if?

01:39:46.000 So, let's entertain these ideas. 0.77

01:39:48.000 Like, let's say she's sitting at a diner and she's with a woman, and the woman's like, I'm going to drive you to Colorado and we're going to abort this baby, abort it dead.

01:39:56.000 And she goes, I can't wait to get this thing out of me. 0.99

01:39:57.000 I hate this man.

01:39:58.000 And a cop is sitting behind her. 0.96

01:40:00.000 Should he arrest her on the spot? 0.97

01:40:02.000 Conspiracy to commit abortion?

01:40:03.000 Yeah, we're talking eight months, okay?

01:40:05.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.97

01:40:06.000 So, in my opinion, those abortions should not be legal anywhere.

01:40:09.000 I know.

01:40:10.000 So, it's not about Colorado versus Oregon.

01:40:12.000 No, no, Oklahoma.

01:40:13.000 Where it's illegal.

01:40:13.000 I'm sorry, cop.

01:40:14.000 I'm just saying, in Oklahoma, it is illegal. 0.99

01:40:17.000 So the cop should stop her.

01:40:17.000 Yes.

01:40:18.000 So she's violating the law. 0.92

01:40:20.000 The cop has the ability to enforce the law.

01:40:23.000 What if she crosses the border into Colorado before they can stop her?

01:40:26.000 Now what happens?

01:40:27.000 Well, now it's not illegal.

01:40:29.000 It should be.

01:40:30.000 Is it kidnapping?

01:40:32.000 Of the unborn fetus?

01:40:33.000 I mean, that baby is viable, and that husband, that's his child.

01:40:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:37.000 And she's going to kill it. 0.99

01:40:40.000 Is the layer of flesh between her and the baby a moral distinction between whether she kidnapped the baby or not? 0.92

01:40:44.000 Yes, it is.

01:40:45.000 Because it's her flesh. 0.97

01:40:46.000 This is the problem.

01:40:49.000 My question was. 1.00

01:40:50.000 We'll never convince a woman. 1.00

01:40:51.000 I'm not trying to. 1.00

01:40:52.000 My question for you was. 1.00

01:40:53.000 Because she's not a layer of flesh. 1.00

01:40:54.000 She's a person. 0.51

01:40:55.000 My question to you was not whether she's a person.

01:40:58.000 It was that is the layer of flesh between the baby creating a moral distinction between the life of the baby?

01:41:03.000 Yes.

01:41:03.000 If she kidnaps a baby to murder, what do we do?

01:41:07.000 I agree with you in principle.

01:41:10.000 But what I am saying to you is that this is one where you have to exist in the real world.

01:41:14.000 You must exist in the real world.

01:41:16.000 And what does that mean?

01:41:17.000 It means that there are. 1.00

01:41:20.000 You will never convince a majority of women. 1.00

01:41:22.000 I'm not talking about that. 1.00

01:41:24.000 That's not an argument that I'm trying to make, nor is it relevant to the conversation.

01:41:27.000 You're just throwing out hypotheticals to get me to agree that there's a.

01:41:30.000 I'm not trying to get you to agree.

01:41:32.000 I'm trying to ask you what your morals are so I can ask you more questions to understand your worldview.

01:41:37.000 But again, because you are thinking there's a gotcha here, you're refusing to answer the question.

01:41:41.000 You're changing the subject.

01:41:42.000 No.

01:41:42.000 Let me finish my point.

01:41:44.000 Okay, and then I will come back with a.

01:41:45.000 Because this question has nothing to do with abortion.

01:41:48.000 It was to figure out what your morals are.

01:41:51.000 So, that I can provide for you a scenario and understand what you would think would happen and what we should do about it, which is I don't care if women want or don't want abortion to be, this is not what we're talking about.

01:42:03.000 What we're talking about is a man whose baby has been taken by the mother and is about to be killed.

01:42:09.000 And what do you think that man will do to save his child?

01:42:12.000 So, you, there are arguments that don't have any right answer, there are moral positions that cannot be squared.

01:42:21.000 Okay.

01:42:22.000 I'm going to stop you.

01:42:24.000 You are going off in the wrong direction.

01:42:25.000 No.

01:42:26.000 No.

01:42:26.000 I'm going to stop you.

01:42:27.000 I'm going to stop you again. 0.90

01:42:28.000 We're not talking about abortion.

01:42:30.000 What we're talking about is We're talking about a framework of questions.

01:42:33.000 We are talking about a scenario I'm presenting to you so that you can explain how you see the world.

01:42:40.000 So I'm going to ask you the final question in this scenario as it pertains to civil war, not abortion.

01:42:45.000 Okay.

01:42:45.000 What would a father do if a woman took his baby at eight months in a state where it's illegal to kill, to cross state lines to kill?

01:42:54.000 I don't know what he would do.

01:42:56.000 You don't have any idea of what a dad would do to save his child?

01:42:59.000 Here's what I'm saying to you.

01:43:01.000 There are two kinds of questions in the world questions that have actual answers.

01:43:07.000 Okay.

01:43:07.000 How effective is the mRNA vaccine?

01:43:09.000 It's this effective for this long.

01:43:09.000 Okay.

01:43:11.000 That's a question that you can test and you can answer.

01:43:14.000 Yep.

01:43:14.000 Okay.

01:43:15.000 And then there's a question of which is more important my autonomy not to get the vaccine or some collective good that exists.

01:43:24.000 If we are all vaccinated and can't transmit COVID, if pretending that the vaccine worked, okay?

01:43:31.000 The question of individual freedom versus collective good has no answer.

01:43:36.000 And it's not what we're talking about.

01:43:37.000 Yes, it is.

01:43:38.000 Okay.

01:43:38.000 It's not.

01:43:39.000 You said that you didn't see a scenario in which this country could get to that point.

01:43:43.000 I am giving you some scenarios to consider your moral worldview on so that we can come to the final question Do you think it's possible a 35 year old man would use violence to save his eight month gestated viable child from being killed?

01:43:58.000 Yes, I think there's a scenario where that happens.

01:44:00.000 What happens in a scenario where you have a country where states bordering each other have hyper bifurcated views on these things, where a woman committing a felony. Is not breaking the law in one state. 0.99

01:44:13.000 And you have state law enforcement trying to stop her. 1.00

01:44:16.000 In fact, I think it might have been Mississippi that sought to charge them with conspiracy to commit abortion because she was planning to flee the state.

01:44:22.000 My point here is the moral distinction between the multicultural democracy and the constitutional republic are at such extreme ends that neither can coexist.

01:44:32.000 At a certain point, the bridge breaks. 0.89

01:44:35.000 A woman says, I'm going to get a nine month abortion so I don't have to live with this man.

01:44:39.000 And the man says, she's going to commit a felony kidnapping my child.

01:44:43.000 The liberals say it's not a child, it's a fetus. 0.77

01:44:46.000 The conservatives say it's a child.

01:44:47.000 Now you have a breakdown where the police in Colorado will protect her because she's not committing a crime and they will not allow another state to come in.

01:44:56.000 And a father who says, I will get every man who will stand by my side and we will stop anyone who dares to kill my child.

01:45:04.000 We're not there yet, but we are dangerously close when states like California kidnap children for sex changes.

01:45:10.000 When Washington passes a law saying a stranger on the internet can kidnap a child from Arizona.

01:45:16.000 Bring them to Washington for a sex change and the state will protect them having done it.

01:45:21.000 We are at a dangerous point where these laws are only recently passed.

01:45:24.000 But what happens when a mom and dad, their 14 year old daughter goes missing?

01:45:29.000 And then they find out a 46 year old man, a pedophile, picked her up in his car and drove her to Washington to get her sterilized, to give her puberty blockers and testosterone.

01:45:38.000 And Washington says what he did is heroic.

01:45:41.000 Do you think those parents are going to be like, guess our child's gone?

01:45:44.000 No, I don't.

01:45:45.000 So my point is not that right now there's going to be people shooting at each other.

01:45:49.000 My point is. 0.99

01:45:50.000 In Congress, we have a woman who says she wants to destroy this country. 1.00

01:45:53.000 She's not in yet, but she will be.

01:45:55.000 We also have foreign born individuals who have explicitly stated they're going to extract money for the betterment of their home countries to their own people, and their constituents have been smuggling money out of the country. 0.94

01:46:05.000 We have seen massive fraud in Minnesota, Ohio, and California in the Somali community. 0.89

01:46:10.000 This country is being extracted, and there is an ever shrinking population of American traditionalists, constitutional republicanists, I guess you can call it, who believe in the founding fathers, their vision for the constitution, the evolution of the constitution through amendments. 1.00

01:46:23.000 And other individuals who are either communist ideologues or foreign born and want to destroy this country.

01:46:30.000 These two forces can't coexist. 0.53

01:46:32.000 And I can give you a really easy example.

01:46:34.000 When Dan Goldman tried to buy coffee and they threw him out, he can't even buy coffee in his home city.

01:46:39.000 So, how are we supposed to coexist as this escalates?

01:46:42.000 It's not possible.

01:46:43.000 Okay.

01:46:44.000 Since, again, we're in the free state of West Virginia, just over the border was the slave state of Virginia, there was a big argument.

01:46:53.000 For 1860, about slavery, right?

01:46:56.000 Whether it was moral or not.

01:46:57.000 The North increasingly believed it was actually immoral.

01:47:00.000 And I know there's an economic component to that.

01:47:02.000 And I know, you know, the North was industrializing, the South was more dependent on cotton, et cetera.

01:47:08.000 But ultimately, I do believe there was a moral argument that led to a war.

01:47:12.000 West Virginia wasn't technically a free state, it split.

01:47:16.000 It split because the fighting age men who vote went to war in the East and South.

01:47:22.000 And the people who remain didn't want to fight, so they voted not to fight. 0.98

01:47:25.000 Fair enough.

01:47:26.000 Yeah.

01:47:27.000 It's pretty wild how, like, Virginia called up all of the men from the area that was known as, like, the Kanawha region, which they wanted to name the state, West Virginia.

01:47:36.000 And when all those men were no longer there to defend their state or their values, the remaining individuals broke the state off and ran.

01:47:42.000 Remarkable.

01:47:43.000 It's remarkable. 0.84

01:47:44.000 Not that Virginia was good, you know.

01:47:47.000 But we fought a war, okay?

01:47:49.000 And the North won, the Union did not break.

01:47:53.000 And now, I don't think anybody would disagree that slavery.

01:47:57.000 Is immoral.

01:47:58.000 Okay, that argument actually changed.

01:48:01.000 There are no longer two sides.

01:48:02.000 There's no longer a group of people saying, I mean, maybe there's a few saying, you know, the Bible gives me the right to own the children of Ham.

01:48:08.000 And there's a lot of people who think slavery is fine, but I think it's based on, I think most Americans, their immediate view of slavery is based on chattel slavery and like farm work.

01:48:18.000 And the people who agree, at least to a certain degree privately, but maybe they don't want to publicly say it, the arguments they tend to make is that slavery.

01:48:28.000 As depicted in media, is not actually how slavery was.

01:48:30.000 And only 3% of Americans in the South own slaves. 0.99

01:48:33.000 It's fine. 0.80

01:48:33.000 I thought you were going to go somewhere else and say that most of the people in the United States who believe in slavery now are from Africa and Saudi Arabia. 0.80

01:48:41.000 There are a lot of.

01:48:42.000 If you talk to a lot of Southerners about the issue of slavery, they'll usually default to, no, no, like we don't think slavery should be allowed.

01:48:48.000 But, and then they'll say things like, there were slaves who earned a living, made money, and worked as cobblers.

01:48:54.000 They just couldn't leave, right?

01:48:55.000 They had, they, they're, they're, the slave owner, Directed their livelihood.

01:49:00.000 I think the consensus is that slavery is wrong.

01:49:03.000 And the far left.

01:49:05.000 I think you need to go down to Georgia.

01:49:06.000 I think you need to go down to some of these places.

01:49:08.000 And.

01:49:10.000 A lot of these people, you'll find people who don't.

01:49:16.000 But the question I have for you on the issue, I don't know if you want to hit a point before I go on this.

01:49:19.000 The point was that now the far left, similar to what this lady is espousing here, believes that almost that same thing exists, except for it's CEOs and they keep you trapped via economic means because nobody can get out.

01:49:32.000 Yeah.

01:49:33.000 So, my question for you is Do you think the North was righteous? 0.54

01:49:38.000 Were they correct and moral? 0.96

01:49:40.000 Ultimately, yes.

01:49:42.000 And I know that's going to be a controversial opinion, but yes. 0.95

01:49:45.000 I think the war of Northern aggression was necessary. 0.89

01:49:47.000 And I believe when what Lincoln said in the second inaugural. 0.79

01:49:50.000 Do you think, would you consider Lincoln to be the good guy?

01:49:52.000 Yes.

01:49:53.000 Oh, yes.

01:49:54.000 Would you be mad if Donald Trump suspended habeas corpus?

01:49:58.000 If there were a civil war?

01:49:59.000 There was no civil war when Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.

01:50:02.000 There was a civil war on the horizon, Tim.

01:50:05.000 That's a different question from there was a civil war.

01:50:08.000 The fact that Abraham Lincoln, in fact, I could argue that suspension of habeas corpus made the Civil War happen.

01:50:13.000 Right?

01:50:13.000 You are not going to convince me about this.

01:50:16.000 And I know quite a bit about the history of the Civil War.

01:50:18.000 Okay, so before the Civil War, right?

01:50:21.000 So let's get the facts straight.

01:50:22.000 Battle of Sumter happens, and the American people do not believe a Civil War is happening at this point.

01:50:28.000 The Battle of Bull Run.

01:50:29.000 You say that, but that's not really true.

01:50:31.000 That is absolutely true. 0.99

01:50:32.000 Do you know when the first instance of the phrase Civil War was used officially?

01:50:35.000 It was 1863.

01:50:36.000 Officially?

01:50:37.000 Okay, do you think that by 1863, With armies marching up and down this ground in Pennsylvania and Maryland, people weren't aware that there was a civil war happening?

01:50:48.000 1863, they did.

01:50:50.000 Yeah.

01:50:51.000 But they did not call it a civil war.

01:50:52.000 Maybe they didn't call it that.

01:50:54.000 So you get Fort Sumter, and nobody says there's a civil war.

01:50:54.000 Okay.

01:50:57.000 In fact, they don't even say there's a rebellion, they don't even say there's a war in the states.

01:51:01.000 By the time the South seceded, okay.

01:51:03.000 When did they secede?

01:51:04.000 The states started seceding in 1861, did they not?

01:51:08.000 So which states seceded first?

01:51:11.000 Oh my God, are we really playing this game?

01:51:13.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00

01:51:15.000 Let's not go to nitty gritty for no stupid reason. 0.94

01:51:17.000 Seven states seceded, and it was after Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and the calling up of troops that four other states joined in. 0.95

01:51:25.000 Virginia initially did not secede.

01:51:27.000 Virginia got freaked out.

01:51:28.000 In fact, Virginia was two to one against secession until Abraham Lincoln crossed the line.

01:51:33.000 Then they freaked out.

01:51:34.000 The Confederates opened fire in Fort Sumter on April 12th, and then 10 days later.

01:51:39.000 Are you sure about that?

01:51:40.000 Because my understanding is no one knows who fired first.

01:51:41.000 So it was two weeks later.

01:51:44.000 Who fired first?

01:51:45.000 My understanding is that there's not a historical record on who opened fire.

01:51:48.000 Let me ask you a basic question, seriously.

01:51:52.000 Are you in the camp that says the Civil War was not about slavery?

01:51:54.000 It was about states' rights? 0.73

01:51:56.000 It was about slavery. 0.96

01:51:57.000 So we agree about that. 0.62

01:51:57.000 Okay. 0.62

01:51:58.000 They wanted to put it in their constitution.

01:52:00.000 They put it in their constitution.

01:52:01.000 So, because that argument is crazy.

01:52:01.000 Yes.

01:52:01.000 Okay.

01:52:03.000 However, why did Southerners fight in the Civil War?

01:52:06.000 Why did they fight?

01:52:07.000 You're going to say it was to protect their rights?

01:52:07.000 Yes.

01:52:10.000 No.

01:52:10.000 Okay.

01:52:11.000 It was to defend their homes.

01:52:12.000 Okay.

01:52:13.000 The Civil War started for a variety of reasons.

01:52:15.000 You can lay it out in a bunch of different ways, but there's no real, like, one issue.

01:52:19.000 We usually just say slavery because the Southern states, the slave states, were fearful that with Abraham Lincoln's election, despite the fact he said, we would not.

01:52:29.000 Ban slavery, we would just not expand it.

01:52:31.000 They believed he was lying.

01:52:32.000 Right.

01:52:33.000 Because the Republican Party's ultimate goal was the abolition of slavery.

01:52:33.000 That ultimately.

01:52:37.000 We had seven years of bleeding Kansas, so shooting and fighting was already happening in these territories.

01:52:42.000 So when Abraham Lincoln gets elected, it's actually, I think it was January, before he was even inaugurated, seven states decided to secede.

01:52:48.000 In fact, Texas secession was hilarious.

01:52:50.000 They only seceded because of geography.

01:52:53.000 Several state senators, I don't know the exact individuals, but they had written, We can't be attached to a union.

01:53:01.000 That we're not attached to.

01:53:03.000 And for trade reasons, geographically, the Confederacy makes the most sense.

01:53:06.000 Abraham Lincoln, then you get the Battle of Fort Sumter.

01:53:08.000 South Carolina says, get your federal troops off our land.

01:53:10.000 They say, it's our land.

01:53:11.000 You can't do this.

01:53:12.000 My understanding was no one knows exactly who fired first, but nobody died.

01:53:16.000 I'm sorry, nobody died in the conflict.

01:53:17.000 One person died accidentally from a fire.

01:53:19.000 This says that the Southern General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard ordered the attack at 4 30 a.m.

01:53:25.000 Okay.

01:53:26.000 I could be wrong about this.

01:53:27.000 I might be conflating this with Lexington and Concord.

01:53:29.000 I think I am.

01:53:30.000 They don't know.

01:53:30.000 That's the shot heard around the world.

01:53:32.000 No one knows who shot first.

01:53:33.000 So after the Battle of Fort Sumter, There is no civil war in the United States.

01:53:37.000 Not a single person believes there is or even will be.

01:53:41.000 When the Northern forces are coming to Manassas to enter Virginia and Southern forces move forward, people are picnicking.

01:53:49.000 Yes, I know.

01:53:50.000 Yes.

01:53:50.000 After the first Battle of Bull Run, there was still no civil war in the United States.

01:53:56.000 We only look back with time.

01:53:57.000 People died at Manassas and Bull Run.

01:54:00.000 And they still did not call it or believe there was a civil war.

01:54:04.000 But saying it was a picnic or people were picnicking.

01:54:06.000 They were.

01:54:07.000 No, they were.

01:54:08.000 They were, but say.

01:54:09.000 The point to say that they were picking is to point out that the people did not perceive a civil war to be happening.

01:54:13.000 No, they didn't have media, though.

01:54:16.000 They foolishly thought.

01:54:17.000 I don't know what they thought. 0.91

01:54:19.000 I don't think they foolishly thought anything.

01:54:20.000 I think they think just like you do right now.

01:54:23.000 We have Antifa committing, I think, over 465 terror attacks in the last four years.

01:54:28.000 You cannot compare the political violence in the United States in the last few years, which is ugly and has mostly been left to right.

01:54:38.000 I agree.

01:54:39.000 You can compare it exactly to bleeding Kansas.

01:54:43.000 See, I'm looking at Charlie Kirk.

01:54:46.000 Like, are you familiar with what was going on in Bleeding Kansas?

01:54:49.000 It's basically identical.

01:54:51.000 Oh, people are getting scalped.

01:54:53.000 Charlie Kirk got shot in the throat.

01:54:55.000 Aaron Downs took two bolts to the chest.

01:54:55.000 That's true.

01:54:57.000 Trump sent Marines into a marijuana plantation that child slaves.

01:55:02.000 And the Democrats fought to stop them and fought with the Marines.

01:55:07.000 We're at a point where we are very much in a.

01:55:11.000 So academics describe what we're in a civil strife.

01:55:14.000 Bleeding Kansas was civil strife.

01:55:16.000 However, the civil rights era was also civil strife.

01:55:19.000 Civil strife is academically defined as a period when at least 70 people are killed for political reasons per year or something of that effect.

01:55:24.000 So, we're well past that.

01:55:26.000 The civil rights era did not end in a civil war. 0.87

01:55:28.000 However, Bleeding Kansas did.

01:55:31.000 So, we don't know exactly if this will result in a civil war or not, but the potentiality is absolutely there academically.

01:55:36.000 What we're seeing, I would argue, to the point of Abraham Lincoln, is the people of this country saw a battle.

01:55:44.000 But what about when Biden sent the feds against the Texas National Guard? 0.54

01:55:48.000 Now, don't get me wrong, nobody was shooting each other, but it was getting tense, and we were like, holy crap, the Texas National Guard is now head to head with federal law enforcement.

01:55:57.000 This could kick off in a very dangerous way.

01:55:59.000 I would argue that is dangerously close to a Fort Sumter moment.

01:56:03.000 Nope, they weren't shooting at each other, but they were given laws against, they were given directives against each other. 0.88

01:56:07.000 So that's why we're like, holy crap, one accidental discharge and we're in a civil war. 0.94

01:56:13.000 Donald Trump took a bolt inside of the head and people said we were two millimeters from a civil war. 0.96

01:56:17.000 Abraham Lincoln suspends habeas corpus, creating a corridor from Philadelphia down to D.C. because Maryland was a slave state and the Maryland legislature was sympathetic to the Southern cause.

01:56:26.000 There was going to be a riot in the war, too.

01:56:28.000 He was like, sent in federal law enforcement.

01:56:30.000 To arrest a third of the Maryland legislature to stop them from being able to vote against him.

01:56:35.000 He then arrested people without cause throughout this corridor and locked them up for years.

01:56:41.000 It was only two years later that Congress, after he wiped out his enemies, approved retroactively the suspension of habeas corpus.

01:56:48.000 My point ultimately is one could argue there would have not been a civil war had Abraham Lincoln not decided to fight one.

01:56:54.000 The Southern secession may have just been a secession, and we'd have two different countries right now.

01:56:57.000 There was a Baltimore riot on April 19th, and it's so close to the Capitol, that's why he suspended their.

01:57:03.000 Their rights and indeed took it.

01:57:05.000 Maryland was a slave state, and so was Delaware. 0.71

01:57:07.000 It was too close to the Capitol. 0.95

01:57:08.000 And so Abraham Lincoln said, The Constitution be damned.

01:57:12.000 He had no authority to suspend habeas corpus, that's a legislative power.

01:57:15.000 He did it anyway.

01:57:16.000 He had no authority to call up troops or do any of the things that he did.

01:57:19.000 He did it anyway.

01:57:20.000 Because, as Trump said, a man who saves his nation breaks no laws.

01:57:25.000 Napoleon said that too, right?

01:57:27.000 Is that true?

01:57:27.000 I think it was.

01:57:29.000 That's true.

01:57:29.000 But he gets the quote because it was a big deal when he said it.

01:57:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:32.000 Yeah, you got it.

01:57:32.000 But he was like, I can't believe he said it.

01:57:33.000 You always got to ask, though, like, what am I trying to preserve?

01:57:35.000 Do I have to destroy this system in order to save it?

01:57:37.000 Like, Let's, we'll get some super chats in because I just, this is the Tim Rance about Civil War episode.

01:57:45.000 Smash the like button, share the show.

01:57:48.000 Jay Dirt Biker says, Ian, my culture is not your costume and I'm offended.

01:57:52.000 Really?

01:57:55.000 Omegrosetsu says, Tim Pulis for Alex, the Nazis didn't say that they were going to bake the cookies until they did.

01:58:02.000 How is it all hypothetical when Mom Dummy is saying that he will do the thing against the U.S.?

01:58:08.000 Again, I don't think.

01:58:09.000 He's saying he will do the thing against the U.S.

01:58:11.000 I think he's arguing over federal law enforcement authority with ICE, which I don't agree with him about.

01:58:16.000 I think that ICE does have the right to enforce U.S. immigration laws inside the 50s or whatever.

01:58:24.000 They actually don't.

01:58:25.000 That was the big issue of contention with Biden.

01:58:27.000 The argument, Texas was like, we can't deport or deal with these illegal immigrants or arrest them because it's a federal, it's a constitutional executive authority.

01:58:34.000 Congress designated that authority to the executive branch, the INA. 0.95

01:58:38.000 I agree with that. 0.57

01:58:38.000 Right. 0.57

01:58:39.000 So Momdani has no authority to interfere in that.

01:58:42.000 Well, again, we're talking about insurrection.

01:58:45.000 It's not insurrection.

01:58:47.000 There's no insurrection in New York City.

01:58:49.000 I was just there.

01:58:50.000 But this is why I brought up the Civil War stuff because you're like, if it wasn't in a movie, it's not happening.

01:58:57.000 Like, here's a question, right?

01:59:01.000 When the Civil War was kicking off, do you think people walked outside their homes and there were fires and there was insurrection and people with pitchforks?

01:59:10.000 The answer is there wasn't.

01:59:11.000 Look, I've actually spent some time in war zones, okay?

01:59:14.000 And most of the time, this is what I learned as a reporter for the New York Times in Iraq.

01:59:18.000 Most of the time, in most war zones, it's peaceful.

01:59:21.000 Just like New York is right now.

01:59:23.000 That doesn't mean there's not a war happening.

01:59:23.000 Okay.

01:59:25.000 Doesn't mean there's not an insurrection happening.

01:59:27.000 It's not really about what's happening outside your door.

01:59:30.000 Okay.

01:59:30.000 There was a, there was, the northern states and the southern states were moving towards irrevocable conflict on the issue of slavery.

01:59:40.000 And Lincoln, I don't think, could have stopped that in any way short of allowing the South to secede.

01:59:46.000 As you said, that's what he could have done, right?

01:59:48.000 Yep.

01:59:48.000 Okay.

01:59:49.000 He chose not to do that.

01:59:51.000 I'm glad he chose. 1.00

01:59:52.000 Should Donald Trump choose not to allow Momdani to block? 1.00

01:59:55.000 There's no comparison. 1.00

01:59:57.000 I'm not comparing the two. 0.97

01:59:58.000 I'm asking you, should Donald Trump not allow what Mom Dhani is doing? 0.99

02:00:03.000 Should he just be like, no? 0.76

02:00:04.000 I think politically, Minnesota demonstrated he would be making a mistake to escalate.

02:00:13.000 Should federal law enforcement arrest local law enforcement if they interfere in federal law enforcement?

02:00:19.000 Again, it's a hypothetical, and I think we have a demonstrated.

02:00:22.000 Well, that's not a hypothetical.

02:00:23.000 That's a question of law.

02:00:24.000 Okay, for sure.

02:00:25.000 My answer is simply, I believe yes.

02:00:27.000 I don't care if you're a cop.

02:00:28.000 If you obstruct justice, you get arrested.

02:00:30.000 Okay. 0.92

02:00:32.000 Should federal law enforcement be running around trying to pull illegal immigrants off the street if they've committed no crime? 0.98

02:00:40.000 Or would it be better? 0.99

02:00:41.000 Hold on. 1.00

02:00:42.000 You said illegal immigrants. 1.00

02:00:43.000 Fair enough. 1.00

02:00:43.000 Okay. 1.00

02:00:44.000 If they've committed no crime other than being here illegally. 0.91

02:00:47.000 Yes, absolutely. 0.66

02:00:48.000 Or is there a better way to do it by denying them all the, you know, debanking? 0.96

02:00:54.000 Debanking and de welfaring and de free transitioning and all the shit that the left says that they don't get that they do get. 0.95

02:00:54.000 Exactly. 0.95

02:01:02.000 But I think.

02:01:03.000 Would that be a better way to do this that wouldn't.

02:01:06.000 70% of the people they've gone after have been violent criminals.

02:01:09.000 That's not true.

02:01:10.000 It's not.

02:01:11.000 Those are the cited numbers.

02:01:12.000 That I'm sure we can find.

02:01:13.000 That's not true.

02:01:14.000 Those are the cited numbers.

02:01:14.000 There aren't enough violent criminals to make that work.

02:01:16.000 And I think we can find that number.

02:01:18.000 I'll look on ChatGPT.

02:01:19.000 Those were the numbers cited when they said Donald Trump claimed he was going to go after only the violent criminals, but that's only 70%.

02:01:24.000 30% have been like.

02:01:26.000 Can we find this?

02:01:27.000 Because I don't think that's true.

02:01:29.000 But what's the timeframe that you're.

02:01:31.000 Was this like the first month?

02:01:32.000 I mean.

02:01:32.000 Well, like last year it was reported.

02:01:35.000 So.

02:01:36.000 Last, when the Minnesota, like into the winter, the reporting was that only around 70% were actually criminals and Trump was actually going after bakers. 0.77

02:01:46.000 I voted for Trump, okay?

02:01:48.000 And I'm glad he closed the border.

02:01:49.000 And that gave him a way to do this that most Americans would agree with, right?

02:01:56.000 Essentially by cutting off the flow of funds to these folks and making it uncomfortable for them.

02:02:02.000 In pursuing this aggressive policy, he's undercut.

02:02:06.000 What he public support for something that I think at baseline is highly supported.

02:02:11.000 I'm more of a pragmatist.

02:02:14.000 I think the Republican Party has been sitting on their hands.

02:02:18.000 I think the American people have been sitting on their hands. 0.95

02:02:21.000 I think there's one simple question that needs to be asked by how do the American people benefit by bringing these people into our country? 1.00

02:02:31.000 Right, they don't. 1.00

02:02:32.000 So let's not let them come in and let's get the ones who are in out in some reasonable way.

02:02:37.000 But I'm talking about Ilhan Omar.

02:02:38.000 Oh, that.

02:02:41.000 This is just ChatGPT.

02:02:42.000 It says in 2025, roughly 70 plus percent had no criminal conviction in 2025.

02:02:48.000 That sounds more reasonable to me.

02:02:51.000 And that 3% of ICE detainees had a violent felony conviction in 2025.

02:02:55.000 This is from ABC News.

02:02:58.000 The other one's from the Cato Institute.

02:03:00.000 No, Cato Institute's fake.

02:03:01.000 Yeah.

02:03:01.000 Okay.

02:03:02.000 Cato Institute argues that if a white supremacist punches his wife, it's an act of political violence.

02:03:07.000 Yeah.

02:03:07.000 Oh, okay.

02:03:08.000 So I encourage you to do your own research on it.

02:03:10.000 I'm using ChatGPT.

02:03:12.000 I thought it was the other way around because, and so I would just say I'll defer to the immediate fact check, but my concern is not trusting these sources because what they like to do is claim Kilmar Alberto Garcia was a Maryland father instead of saying he was an adjudicated MS 13 gang member.

02:03:31.000 This is that for 2025, ICE data and independent analysis show a very different pattern.

02:03:36.000 So I'll try to keep that in mind.

02:03:38.000 That's the point.

02:03:40.000 We had a debate with some liberals where they said, I can't remember what it was.

02:03:42.000 They said only 70% have actually been criminals.

02:03:45.000 The rest have been just run of the mill, you know, undocumented workers and blah, That could be where I'm confusing the number because I was debating someone and I assumed that that was right and it was actually wrong.

02:03:55.000 But I think if you pull up ICE numbers, it'll probably say something different.

02:03:58.000 And therein lies the big challenge.

02:04:00.000 We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show.

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02:04:08.000 Alex, you want to shout anything out?

02:04:10.000 Oh, can I pitch my.

02:04:11.000 Of course.

02:04:12.000 So this is the Fatherhood Manifesto.

02:04:14.000 I wrote this.

02:04:15.000 Uh, for Father's Day, it is essentially a conservative defense of fathers and fatherhood and masculinity.

02:04:21.000 Which I can't believe that I'm the one writing, and I can't believe that this has to be written, but it does because you know, for 40 years, the left has been mocking fathers and fatherhood.

02:04:33.000 Uh, really, it started with married with children and it's never stopped.

02:04:36.000 Um, and so this is, you know, it's very short.

02:04:40.000 Uh, as Charlie, who is not here, said to me, it's he's gonna read his copy on the bathroom.

02:04:45.000 Which, you know, I think you read it wherever you like.

02:04:48.000 But it is, it's sort of 20% philosophical defense of a conservative vision of fathering that's not gentle parenting.

02:04:59.000 And then 50 practical tips.

02:05:01.000 I was told by Bing Crosby, you got to beat the kid with a sack of sweet Valencia oranges because it'll show him who's boss but won't leave a bruise.

02:05:09.000 I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but it's actually not true.

02:05:12.000 That's the theme the bruise part.

02:05:14.000 Yeah, yeah, no, like don't beat your kid. 0.99

02:05:15.000 No, punch him in the stomach. 0.99

02:05:18.000 It's on Hitcher Kids. 0.99

02:05:19.000 Alex, what's it called again?

02:05:21.000 It's called The Fatherhood Manifesto.

02:05:23.000 And no, don't hit your kids.

02:05:24.000 Where do people get the book?

02:05:26.000 You can get it on Amazon.

02:05:27.000 You can hear my dulcet tones on Audible.

02:05:31.000 Oh, cool.

02:05:32.000 It's an audiobook?

02:05:33.000 It is an audiobook.

02:05:33.000 It sort of looks like the COVID booklets, and that's intentional.

02:05:36.000 It's sort of supposed to be very basic.

02:05:39.000 But somebody said to me, How is this?

02:05:42.000 You were writing about COVID.

02:05:44.000 How's this like that?

02:05:45.000 I said, This is sort of.

02:05:48.000 It's a cultural version of this.

02:05:49.000 These are the truths the mainstream media doesn't give.

02:05:51.000 Let's go heavy on the COVID stuff in the uncensored portion.

02:05:54.000 Because there's a lot going on still, and we've talked about it quite a bit.

02:05:54.000 Sure.

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02:06:50.000 Son of a.

02:06:51.000 Are you sure you can?

02:06:52.000 I'm not sure.

02:06:53.000 That's the point.

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02:08:24.000 You know, the only the only real the argument I have against civil war at this point is just that Trump is winning and crushing everything about the left.

02:08:31.000 So it's not perfect, but New York is alarming.

02:08:35.000 But I think there's a decent probability that Republicans hold the midterms based on redistricting and the current polling and Watson v. RNC, which may come down tomorrow, which would end counting bouts after Election Day.

02:08:50.000 That will end.

02:08:51.000 Like 2018, Democrats only won because they counted a bunch of bouts after Election Day.

02:08:57.000 This is pretty nuts.

02:08:58.000 2018, they said there's going to be a blue wave.

02:09:00.000 There wasn't.

02:09:01.000 The next day, I made a video.

02:09:02.000 I'm like, Republicans, why?

02:09:03.000 Is this crazy?

02:09:04.000 And then, sure enough, over the next two weeks, Democrats just started flipping and winning somehow because they were like, well, a bunch of ballots came in after Election Day.

02:09:12.000 We have to count them.

02:09:13.000 If the Supreme Court says no to that, I don't see how Democrats ever win again.

02:09:16.000 I feel like that's the same.

02:09:17.000 When I say that, I'm like, I take the most pragmatic and surface level approach to politics.

02:09:23.000 In the same way, I talk about a woman who says, I want to eradicate Western civilization. 0.97

02:09:28.000 I'm like, maybe we shouldn't let her in the office. 0.94

02:09:29.000 I'm like, If they say you won on election night and then two weeks later you didn't win, my brain just says, that just doesn't seem real to me.

02:09:37.000 You know, like without doing any, you know, you have to do your research, you have to look into it, sure.

02:09:42.000 But I think like the rational person is like, that just seems like a bad idea.

02:09:46.000 It doesn't seem right.

02:09:49.000 Ooh, I missed the context.

02:09:50.000 Solar wind plasma has doubled in 24 hours.

02:09:53.000 Uh oh.

02:09:54.000 Really?

02:09:54.000 I got a bunch of stuff for tomorrow.

02:09:56.000 This is, we, this doublet earthquake in Venezuela.

02:10:02.000 And the Japan and San Francisco hasn't, it's only one in every thousand years.

02:10:07.000 Ian, did you do that?

02:10:08.000 If you can't control the weather, did you?

02:10:10.000 I've been so pissed off the last three days.

02:10:12.000 I wonder if that has something to do with it.

02:10:13.000 It was probably you, Matt.

02:10:14.000 When you connect yourself to the weather, you start to become controlled by it.

02:10:14.000 That's the problem.

02:10:17.000 You're going to have to pay reparations to these people.

02:10:20.000 I apologize ahead of time. 0.97

02:10:21.000 I got to ask Alex, when did you, this COVID shit, what year did it all begin? 0.98

02:10:27.000 Was it 2017? 0.99

02:10:28.000 Well, so.

02:10:30.000 Pick it up, Tim, if you want to change the subject.

02:10:31.000 No, Yellowstone's acting very hoodwinked.

02:10:33.000 Weird right now as well.

02:10:34.000 That's the insult, too.

02:10:35.000 I blew it down.

02:10:36.000 Hydrothermal explosion at Biscuit Fazer. 0.96

02:10:38.000 I'm going to do yoga. 0.99

02:10:40.000 I mean, they were, you know, there's a guy named Ralph Barrick, who's a virologist at the University of North Carolina, who was like the world's expert on coronaviruses, who was talking to the Chinese and building these viruses with the Chinese in the basically through 2015. 0.97

02:10:57.000 Okay. 0.94

02:10:58.000 And he was in contact with them through 2019.

02:11:03.000 Now, it's not.

02:11:05.000 And this is why Fauci was so squirrely after COVID leaked.

02:11:10.000 I don't believe that COVID was a biological weapon.

02:11:13.000 It's not a very good biological weapon if it's a biological weapon.

02:11:15.000 But I do believe that it leaked out of that lab.

02:11:18.000 It leaked out of that lab because they were doing work, gain of function work, messing around with coronaviruses.

02:11:26.000 And gain of function work should be banned worldwide.

02:11:28.000 It should be a crime against humanity.

02:11:30.000 There's no upside to it.

02:11:33.000 And so I'm not dodging your question.

02:11:37.000 I'm saying, depending on where you.

02:11:39.000 Date Barracks involvement, and we still don't know how closely he was involved with the work that was being done in 2018, 2019 in Wuhan.

02:11:51.000 That's kind of where COVID came from.

02:11:54.000 Were you following his work?

02:11:55.000 No, no, this all came out in 2020.

02:11:57.000 Do you believe the conspiracy theory that COVID was released early because of Trump and they intended to release it well after they had control of the media?

02:12:04.000 Have you heard this theory?

02:12:05.000 No, I have not heard this.

02:12:06.000 All right, quick version Fauci and other.

02:12:10.000 You know, individuals were performing gain of function research on coronaviruses.

02:12:14.000 They had funding to do it in Wuhan.

02:12:16.000 And the intention was to release it sometime in the early 2030s when they had a stronger control over media, in which case there would be no dissent.

02:12:24.000 There would be no censorship needed, only top down communications and everybody would get their shots and march in lockstep.

02:12:30.000 But Trump won and they didn't expect for him to win.

02:12:33.000 I mean, the uniparty, the deep state, didn't expect for him to win.

02:12:35.000 So then in 2020, they decided release it now and we'll use it to beat Trump.

02:12:40.000 But they weren't ready to release it.

02:12:42.000 So dissenting media was able to push back and ultimately Trump was able to reclaim it a few years later.

02:12:47.000 No, I don't believe that.

02:12:48.000 I believe that once it was released, there were people on the left and in the mainstream legacy, elite media, whatever you want to call it.

02:12:58.000 And that is the left, basically, right?

02:12:59.000 I mean, that is the New York Times.

02:13:02.000 There is very little.

02:13:04.000 I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but I think that these people saw immediately that COVID was very bad for Donald Trump and was going to prevent him from being reelected in 2020.

02:13:15.000 I actually think that conspiracy theory has got a decent probability chance of happening, especially as I get as conspiratorial as possible, thinking that.

02:13:22.000 With Lizzo's album sales, you saw them?

02:13:24.000 2,650.

02:13:25.000 Oh my God.

02:13:26.000 Billy Corgan said five months ago that in the late 90s, all the labels started to just drop rock, like they were winding rock down.

02:13:34.000 And he says, Some people assert the CIA was pushing for this.

02:13:37.000 He's like, Again, above my pay grade.

02:13:39.000 I just was at the labels, I saw this happening.

02:13:41.000 Rolling Stone immediately rushed to issue this whole breakdown of why he's wrong, claiming that he said the CIA stopped rock, which he did not.

02:13:49.000 He said, Some people claimed it's CIA, but above my pay grade.

02:13:52.000 I just saw the.

02:13:53.000 All Billy Corgan said was the labels were deprioritizing rock music.

02:13:56.000 After Trump shutters USAID, you know, it happened.

02:13:59.000 Rap fell off the Billboard Hot 100 Top 40 for the first time since the 1990s.

02:14:04.000 We started seeing a whole bunch of these pop stars.

02:14:06.000 People start canceling.

02:14:08.000 They're not doing tours anymore.

02:14:09.000 No one's showing up.

02:14:10.000 And Lizzo can't sell any albums anymore.

02:14:12.000 So we know that USAID's purpose was effectively international culture building.

02:14:17.000 But I would argue that it was domestic as well.

02:14:19.000 They just keep that under wraps because it would be criminal.

02:14:23.000 Now we're looking at this big picture, which here's the conspiracy theory.

02:14:27.000 There's been a plan in place to create a global homogenized culture for a very, very long time, probably going back to the liberal economic order in the 50s.

02:14:34.000 In the 1970s, they started working on DARPA and AI technologies first began.

02:14:39.000 This is when you get the birth of the Malthusian worldview.

02:14:43.000 So imagine, if you will, in the early 90s, they say, okay, we're going to start implementing in the next few years the winding down of American traditions.

02:14:53.000 This means we want to see less baseball, we want to see less football, we want to see more soccer, we want to see less even hockey, less rock music, which is very American.

02:15:02.000 We need a lowest common denominator entertainment.

02:15:05.000 So, what is that going to be?

02:15:06.000 Do we think rap is not very American?

02:15:08.000 There's nothing more American than rap.

02:15:09.000 It's lowest common denominator entertainment, meaning if you look at a song like Gangnam Style, there's a reason why it blew up internationally.

02:15:15.000 That was an op, that was coordinated.

02:15:17.000 I was actually at a meeting where they explained how they did it and why they did it.

02:15:20.000 Now, it was presented as business reasons, but it was an op.

02:15:24.000 So, the argument is let's look at Soundgarden.

02:15:27.000 We're talking like 1994 to 96, some of the most epic rock.

02:15:33.000 Seriously, I mean, the music's introspective.

02:15:35.000 It tells a story.

02:15:37.000 It's inspirational. 1.00

02:15:39.000 Fuck, even Audio Slave with Like a Stone. 1.00

02:15:42.000 You ever listen to the lyrics of Like a Stone? 1.00

02:15:43.000 My God.

02:15:45.000 Just what a beautiful song.

02:15:47.000 He's literally singing about sitting in a room when he comes across the Bible and he reads it and begins contemplating all the things in his life he's done wrong and his regrets and how he just wishes he could be a better person, be forgiven, and go to God's house.

02:16:00.000 Now, when asked about it, Chris Cornell was like, no, no, it's just, that's absolutely not true.

02:16:03.000 And I'm like, for the love of all that is holy.

02:16:05.000 Listen to that song, and it's like he's literally saying, I'm reading the Bible.

02:16:09.000 What do we get instead?

02:16:11.000 Shots, You could play that in literally any country on the planet.

02:16:16.000 So, the conspiracy theory is not that they turned rock off overnight, but that they were like, we want a new American culture built around music that is generic and bump, bump, bump, bump.

02:16:29.000 Something's got to be the lowest common denominator.

02:16:31.000 Something anyone, anywhere can just bounce to.

02:16:34.000 American rock is very specific to the American tradition.

02:16:36.000 Fortunate son? 0.98

02:16:37.000 What the fuck does that mean to anybody, especially if you're in Vietnam? 1.00

02:16:40.000 Shit, they don't. 1.00

02:16:41.000 Well, they might agree with it, actually. 1.00

02:16:43.000 But so, what happens then is.

02:16:45.000 They start producing a virus, Agenda 2030.

02:16:49.000 They crush American culture.

02:16:51.000 Then they take control of the political system.

02:16:53.000 What is today?

02:16:54.000 The deep state.

02:16:55.000 Hillary Clinton, Clinton Foundation, the Republican Party, Koch brothers, all of the powerful elites.

02:17:02.000 The easiest way to put it is by the Davos group.

02:17:06.000 What's his face?

02:17:07.000 What's the Davos group?

02:17:09.000 Yeah.

02:17:09.000 Oh, Schwab.

02:17:10.000 I just had trouble remembering his name the other day.

02:17:11.000 So the conspiracy theory is you break down American culture, invite in the third world into Europe and America, cultural hubs. 0.84

02:17:20.000 Lowest common denominator, you want to spread it around the world. 0.80

02:17:22.000 You want this, you want the culture that's being exported because America is the principal exporter of culture to be flat.

02:17:28.000 Then in 2030, you release a pandemic that locks the world down, kills the established business, and resets everything.

02:17:37.000 A great reset, as it were.

02:17:38.000 Didn't even have to be just rock music.

02:17:40.000 I was actually, I did a video yesterday that's going to come out tomorrow on AI music and stuff like that.

02:17:46.000 And my point was that I think America peaked when Mariah Carey performed at Madison Square Garden in 1995.

02:17:51.000 That was like as happy as all our races have been together.

02:17:55.000 All at one time, right? 0.96

02:17:56.000 Third Eye Blind was the denouement.

02:17:58.000 Their first album was after, like, the crest of America.

02:18:00.000 And I was putting, like, a stoner.

02:18:01.000 Well, like, a stone. 1.00

02:18:02.000 You just sound like a bunch of old people. 1.00

02:18:04.000 But listening to. 0.97

02:18:05.000 It was so good when I was a teen.

02:18:06.000 It was a stooler age.

02:18:07.000 Well, like, a stone was the 2000s.

02:18:10.000 And the reality is, here's a question for you.

02:18:13.000 They put out a movie with Millie Bobby Brown and Chris Pratt, I think, last year.

02:18:17.000 And the soundtrack was, like, 89 Rock.

02:18:21.000 Uh huh.

02:18:21.000 Why?

02:18:23.000 That's not modern music.

02:18:24.000 They put out a movie in 2010 with.

02:18:27.000 Robert Downey Jr., and the soundtrack was late 80s rock.

02:18:33.000 What I noticed was, and I started looking into this why is it that major movies, their soundtracks tend to be 90s and earlier rock music?

02:18:42.000 Why is it that we use Fortunate Son for every war movie?

02:18:47.000 And I mean, you know why they use Fortunate Son.

02:18:49.000 It's a Vietnam song.

02:18:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:18:51.000 But the point is, rock music is identifiable to Americans as American culture and elicits emotion that the movie is trying to convey that rap does not.

02:19:02.000 So, rap and pop don't end up as soundtracks in films because they don't elicit emotion in Americans.

02:19:07.000 The question then is how could it be?

02:19:10.000 Guardians of the Galaxy is a really great example.

02:19:12.000 2016, 2019, and the soundtracks to those are 70s, 80s, and 90s.

02:19:17.000 And it actually put those songs back on the charts.

02:19:20.000 If it is true that rock music instantly charts when it's put in these movies, why are the record labels not promoting and running more rock music?

02:19:31.000 That's not a conspiracy, that's a question.

02:19:34.000 Look, are they trying to lose money?

02:19:36.000 I'm a child of all this music, right?

02:19:40.000 Nirvana, STP, Everclear.

02:19:44.000 Uh, why am I blanking on all the other bands?

02:19:49.000 But I know the feeling, right?

02:19:51.000 It's going, yeah, that's right.

02:19:51.000 Like, I am so old.

02:19:53.000 Sparkle and Fade, baby.

02:19:55.000 That's great.

02:19:56.000 Everclear, by the way, yes.

02:19:58.000 So, I but uh, uh, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.

02:20:03.000 I love that stuff, okay?

02:20:04.000 But like.

02:20:06.000 Guitar rock was in charge for 30 years and then emo took off, and that sort of led to emo.

02:20:15.000 It was grunge that led to emo.

02:20:16.000 Grunge was emo, emo was never top charting Hot 100.

02:20:20.000 Nickelback was the last rock song to chart.

02:20:25.000 And that, and that was that was like what hard rock emo would have been more beneficial of the MySpace era.

02:20:29.000 It took off and that was like it was social media outside of the billboard. 1.00

02:20:33.000 And then you know, and since then, we've had a bunch of women whining, okay? 1.00

02:20:36.000 And that's and like so there's been a lot of and Taylor Swift, like. 0.94

02:20:40.000 I don't like Taylor Swift particularly, but.

02:20:42.000 Okay.

02:20:42.000 I do.

02:20:43.000 You do, right?

02:20:44.000 But so she's sold umpteen billion copies.

02:20:48.000 People want her.

02:20:49.000 Sure. 1.00

02:20:50.000 So, and like.

02:20:51.000 I didn't say that wasn't the case.

02:20:52.000 Why is it that Metallica can sell at a stadium to this day?

02:20:55.000 And they're not trying to make it. 0.99

02:20:57.000 That's the reason his politics have become completely contemptible and ridiculous. 0.99

02:21:01.000 Sells out. 0.99

02:21:02.000 Because he's old.

02:21:03.000 Stadiums?

02:21:04.000 Stadiums.

02:21:04.000 Yeah, stadiums.

02:21:05.000 100,000 seats.

02:21:06.000 I mean, I don't know the last time he tried to play in MetLife, but I think so.

02:21:10.000 He certainly.

02:21:11.000 So here's the point.

02:21:12.000 The point of what he does is his fans are old.

02:21:15.000 I get that.

02:21:15.000 They have money.

02:21:17.000 Okay.

02:21:17.000 So, Metallica is old.

02:21:19.000 They have money.

02:21:19.000 Their fans are old.

02:21:20.000 They can sell out stadiums.

02:21:21.000 So, why would they not try to create products for that large group of people who want to buy rock products?

02:21:26.000 Ask the Metallica guys why they haven't released anything.

02:21:29.000 I'm not talking about Metallica.

02:21:30.000 I'm saying, for what reason would a major label say, Metallica can sell out a stadium?

02:21:35.000 Let's not sell more products?

02:21:37.000 Because if you're running the label, you want to create stuff that's selling to teens and 20 somethings, right?

02:21:43.000 And no, you don't.

02:21:43.000 You're done with guitar rock.

02:21:44.000 That's not true.

02:21:45.000 That's never been the case.

02:21:46.000 Okay, so.

02:21:47.000 The companies want to sell to the largest market share.

02:21:49.000 Okay, so then you're saying they should just keep recycling product, which they presumably do.

02:21:54.000 The question is so is chocolate ice cream recycled product?

02:21:59.000 Is it recycled product?

02:22:00.000 Is chocolate ice cream recycled product?

02:22:02.000 People like chocolate ice cream, right?

02:22:03.000 Right, so they keep.

02:22:03.000 How many different brands of chocolate ice cream are there?

02:22:06.000 Many.

02:22:07.000 And it's near infinite.

02:22:09.000 It's insane how much chocolate ice cream there is.

02:22:10.000 And stores keep selling it.

02:22:12.000 Now, what if I told you, for some reason, every single major grocery store stopped carrying chocolate ice cream and put in asparagus?

02:22:18.000 I think we're talking about two different things, okay?

02:22:21.000 If you're Bruce Springsteen or Metallica or the Stones or whoever, you can tour and you can release new albums.

02:22:28.000 And the labels will be happy to do that, right?

02:22:30.000 So I'm going to pause you there because I think we already addressed this, but I'm going to say it again.

02:22:34.000 There is a proven market for rock music that sells at stadiums.

02:22:37.000 Right.

02:22:38.000 Those people will buy more music.

02:22:42.000 Maybe not.

02:22:43.000 Maybe you and I are too old to be buying tall rock music.

02:22:47.000 Maybe by 20 somethings.

02:22:49.000 Metallica's most recent record was 2023.

02:22:51.000 Okay, right.

02:22:52.000 Metallica has an audience.

02:22:53.000 So hold on, hold on.

02:22:55.000 The way marketing and promotion has always worked is the reason why we had specific guitar music for 30 years is because kids are listening to the music of their parents.

02:23:04.000 And this is no, no, yes.

02:23:07.000 How old are your kids?

02:23:08.000 I have a one and a half year old.

02:23:10.000 Your kids are not going to want to listen to the music you listen to.

02:23:10.000 Okay.

02:23:13.000 I can tell you that.

02:23:13.000 You are incorrect.

02:23:14.000 I have a 13 year old.

02:23:15.000 Not unless you have a 13 year old.

02:23:17.000 So, how often have you own music?

02:23:19.000 So, you're misunderstanding, right?

02:23:22.000 Parents are Christians, they have Christian kids.

02:23:25.000 The kids who drift away from that are because they're being influenced or indoctrinated by outside forces.

02:23:30.000 Children emulate their parents and they can't know what they're not introduced to.

02:23:34.000 No.

02:23:36.000 You're going to be in for a rude awakening.

02:23:38.000 No, you're incorrect.

02:23:40.000 Let me ask you a question.

02:23:42.000 Does your kid know how to do origami?

02:23:45.000 Do my kids know how to do origami?

02:23:46.000 I actually don't.

02:23:47.000 Yes, they do.

02:23:48.000 They do.

02:23:48.000 Like advanced origami.

02:23:49.000 Not advanced, but they do.

02:23:50.000 Well, why not?

02:23:52.000 Because they.

02:23:53.000 Did you ever show them it?

02:23:54.000 No.

02:23:55.000 So they couldn't have learned it from somewhere.

02:23:55.000 I don't do it.

02:23:56.000 Yes, they could have learned it.

02:23:58.000 No, I'm saying the fact that they can't do it shows they could not have learned it from somewhere if they don't know how to do it.

02:24:04.000 I'm not saying it's impossible.

02:24:05.000 I'm saying it is logical to conclude no one taught them origami because they don't know advanced origami.

02:24:11.000 Well, I mean, they sure.

02:24:12.000 Okay.

02:24:12.000 Maybe, but they haven't done it.

02:24:14.000 The things that your children do that are outside of you came from somewhere.

02:24:19.000 Okay.

02:24:20.000 This is not rocket science or shocking.

02:24:24.000 So when you say you're in for a rude awakening, what you're actually saying is you give your kids to other people.

02:24:30.000 No, I'm saying you can't control.

02:24:32.000 Listen, I just wrote something about how you should parent your children aggressively.

02:24:36.000 It doesn't matter.

02:24:37.000 They're their own people.

02:24:38.000 They will do their own things.

02:24:39.000 Yes.

02:24:39.000 It's not about giving them to other people.

02:24:40.000 They're going to know things they are not introduced to.

02:24:42.000 I think you're both right because I was influenced by my dad's music.

02:24:45.000 No, I just think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

02:24:47.000 I'm not controlled by it.

02:24:48.000 What I'm saying is when you play rock music when you're growing up, those kids will only get into rap if their peers are into rap and they go off to hang out with them and want to fit in.

02:24:58.000 They're not going to randomly just one day manifest rap music.

02:25:01.000 It has to come from somewhere the internet or from other people.

02:25:05.000 Sure.

02:25:06.000 I mean, that's just a simple fact statement.

02:25:08.000 It has to be questionable.

02:25:09.000 Well, I mean, you're sort of saying at baseline, it has to exist for them to find it.

02:25:12.000 Sure.

02:25:13.000 Your kids cannot become rap aficionados unless someone introduces rap to them.

02:25:17.000 I mean, they can, at this point, certainly.

02:25:20.000 It would happen to me, man.

02:25:21.000 Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

02:25:22.000 Are you actually arguing your kids just made up rap music on the spot?

02:25:26.000 They invented it?

02:25:26.000 No, I'm arguing that they can find it in a process of sort of aggregation and no one has to really.

02:25:32.000 And certainly in an era where they're.

02:25:33.000 I'm just arguing semantics.

02:25:35.000 If someone posts rap music online and your kids find it, someone introduced rap music to them.

02:25:40.000 Okay, sure.

02:25:40.000 Right, right.

02:25:41.000 What's the point?

02:25:42.000 The point is if parents raise their kids with rock music and the record labels sell rock music to a 30 year old, you're not listening because you think you're so smart.

02:25:54.000 I'm listening.

02:25:54.000 No, no, I'm listening.

02:25:55.000 You have a parent who's 30 years old.

02:25:56.000 Okay.

02:25:57.000 He loves Stone Temple Pilots.

02:25:58.000 Okay.

02:25:58.000 The record label sells him Stone Temple Pilots.

02:26:00.000 Okay.

02:26:00.000 I'm going to tell you this because this is what was happening in all the suburbs of the United States.

02:26:05.000 And then my parents, who love Led Zeppelin, Grand Funk Railroad, and even some 80s, they're listening to a certain kind of music.

02:26:12.000 So what did I do?

02:26:12.000 Okay.

02:26:13.000 I found my own music.

02:26:14.000 And you know what it was?

02:26:15.000 It was Smashing Pumpkins.

02:26:17.000 But guess what?

02:26:17.000 Okay.

02:26:19.000 The music I was raised on, the intonation, the beat counts, the style, the vocal melodies, and the ideas resonated with me only because my parents influenced me with the music from their youth.

02:26:30.000 And then I found my own.

02:26:31.000 Okay.

02:26:32.000 So this is the natural train of events in market share going back 100 years.

02:26:35.000 There's no natural train.

02:26:36.000 Maybe you.

02:26:38.000 Maybe you decided you like jazz, okay?

02:26:38.000 There is, and you're wrong.

02:26:41.000 How would you know jazz existed?

02:26:43.000 Oh my God, Tim.

02:26:46.000 You're in the world as a teenager.

02:26:49.000 I'm at just okay.

02:26:50.000 So, what does that mean?

02:26:51.000 Let's try and see if you can wrap your head around this.

02:26:52.000 What does that mean when you're in the world as a teenager?

02:26:54.000 What does that mean?

02:26:55.000 It means that means someone plays jazz for you, right?

02:26:58.000 Okay, your parents don't control that.

02:27:01.000 They do.

02:27:01.000 No, they don't.

02:27:02.000 They do.

02:27:04.000 You may not do that for your kids.

02:27:06.000 For a rude awakening, no, I'm not.

02:27:07.000 Okay, you're just saying I have three kids, you have one who's one and a half.

02:27:11.000 You will see what you can and can't control.

02:27:13.000 And what you are telling me is not.

02:27:16.000 Is not that there's a fundamental truth.

02:27:18.000 What you're saying is you don't control what your kids consume.

02:27:21.000 I'm saying you are not going to be able to.

02:27:23.000 No parent.

02:27:24.000 You're wrong.

02:27:24.000 What are you going to do?

02:27:25.000 Lock them off?

02:27:26.000 No.

02:27:28.000 What are we talking about?

02:27:30.000 There is an.

02:27:30.000 So there are mores and values you can bestow on your kids up to a certain age.

02:27:34.000 Sure.

02:27:35.000 And it influences what they will like and dislike.

02:27:38.000 The era that we are in today, fundamentally different from 100 years ago where children are learning from each other.

02:27:43.000 Are all three of your kids, they start public school at five years old?

02:27:45.000 Yeah.

02:27:46.000 Well, they were in a little.

02:27:48.000 Basically, yes.

02:27:48.000 Right.

02:27:49.000 That's when you left your influence and gave it up.

02:27:51.000 No, I'm still the most powerful influence on my children.

02:27:55.000 You're not.

02:27:55.000 Yes, I am.

02:27:55.000 I'm just that person.

02:27:57.000 Your kids spend more time with other people than with you.

02:27:59.000 Yes, they're in the world.

02:28:01.000 They're human beings.

02:28:02.000 I accept that.

02:28:03.000 I like that.

02:28:03.000 That's not the way.

02:28:04.000 That's still the way.

02:28:05.000 That's not the way it used to be for 40,000 years.

02:28:08.000 Okay, well, now it is.

02:28:10.000 So you are in for a rude awakening when you look to the future of homeschooling and pod schooling when kids start being.

02:28:16.000 I want my kids to be homeschooled.

02:28:17.000 You don't have to because no one's talking about what you do.

02:28:20.000 What I'm saying is you raised your kids in institutionalized learning facilities where you gave them to other people to influence.

02:28:27.000 I'm not going to do that.

02:28:28.000 I gave them to other people to teach.

02:28:30.000 I'm not going to do that.

02:28:30.000 Because they can teach things better than I can.

02:28:33.000 Well, I'm not going to do that.

02:28:35.000 Okay. 1.00

02:28:35.000 So, my kids are not going to be hanging out with a bunch of gangbangers and a bunch of retards listening to Lizzo. 1.00

02:28:40.000 I'll just get slammed back. 1.00

02:28:42.000 No, they will not.

02:28:43.000 Maybe you can find cool people.

02:28:44.000 They literally won't.

02:28:45.000 Are you going to lock them up?

02:28:47.000 No, I'm just not going to let them go and hang out with people playing Lizzo.

02:28:50.000 What are you going to do when they tell them, hey, I want to go to my friend and she's playing Taylor Swift or Lizzo or whatever?

02:28:57.000 Taylor Swift's fine, but Lizzo, no.

02:28:58.000 We're going to say no.

02:28:59.000 That'd be cool.

02:29:00.000 Do you think that's going to make them less likely to want to listen to Lizzo?

02:29:03.000 I mean, who wants to listen to Lizzo, but like, I love the universe.

02:29:07.000 Nobody.

02:29:08.000 There's 2006 synergy.

02:29:09.000 I have a question.

02:29:10.000 How much have you studied like early human development, psychology, and things like that?

02:29:15.000 Not that much.

02:29:16.000 Probably not enough, because I have.

02:29:17.000 Okay.

02:29:18.000 Because I have a kid, and this mattered to me a lot.

02:29:20.000 So I did it.

02:29:21.000 I'm not going to call myself an expert.

02:29:22.000 I did a fair amount of reading on, you know, neural pathway development from the ages from zero through five.

02:29:28.000 The different metrics by which humans learn.

02:29:28.000 Okay.

02:29:30.000 Some are naturally physical, some are not.

02:29:32.000 There's actually a criteria that academics believe that.

02:29:35.000 One of the mistakes we make in institutionalized learning is that we expect boys who are tending towards physical learning to do book learning.

02:29:42.000 Some humans learn through reading, some through observation, some through manipulation.

02:29:47.000 So the schooling system has proven itself to be a failure.

02:29:50.000 And the idea that parents, for the first time, it only started in the early 1900s, gave their children to other people to influence, that's a new phenomenon.

02:29:58.000 And so you are shocked that it's not.

02:29:59.000 No, because they don't have to work in fields anymore, Tim.

02:30:02.000 Does anyone else here have children?

02:30:04.000 I do.

02:30:05.000 How old are your kids?

02:30:07.000 Eight months now.

02:30:08.000 Oh, okay.

02:30:08.000 So you don't know anything about this.

02:30:11.000 You can say all this stuff and think that you're going to be in charge.

02:30:14.000 You're not going to be in charge.

02:30:15.000 You're wrong.

02:30:16.000 Okay.

02:30:17.000 I got my music influence for my friend. 0.99

02:30:18.000 So what happens if your kid comes home and says, I want to cut my balls off? 0.99

02:30:22.000 Are you going to be like, oh no, I guess I have to? 1.00

02:30:23.000 Nope.

02:30:24.000 Oh, you mean you're going to do something to stop them from doing bad things?

02:30:27.000 Heavens me, I thought that was impossible.

02:30:29.000 That's not.

02:30:29.000 Nope.

02:30:30.000 And then what happens if they call the police and flee to Washington State and say, my dad's an abusive person who is denying my identity?

02:30:36.000 Well, we'll have to go to court.

02:30:38.000 And you'll lose.

02:30:39.000 No, I'll win.

02:30:40.000 You will not win.

02:30:40.000 I will win.

02:30:41.000 You will not win.

02:30:42.000 Have you paid attention to these stories?

02:30:43.000 Do you see what's happening to these kids?

02:30:45.000 They're staying in California and Washington.

02:30:46.000 They've lost every case.

02:30:48.000 That dude in Texas' son was taken away, and they're going to sterilize him.

02:30:52.000 And he lost.

02:30:53.000 California made it illegal.

02:30:54.000 Wait, wait, wait. 0.95

02:30:54.000 Is the mother involved? 0.95

02:30:56.000 She's on which side?

02:30:56.000 Absolutely.

02:30:58.000 The mother wants the kid sterilized. 0.97

02:30:59.000 So, okay.

02:30:59.000 Right, of course.

02:31:00.000 The state is not taking the child away, there's a custody dispute. 0.77

02:31:04.000 Would you use force to stop your child from sterilizing themselves? 0.78

02:31:08.000 What are you going to do? 0.93

02:31:09.000 Lock them up?

02:31:11.000 Well, that's not the state.

02:31:12.000 You're listening to Lizzo.

02:31:13.000 It absolutely is.

02:31:13.000 Yes, exactly.

02:31:15.000 Thank you.

02:31:15.000 So there's, again, you take everything to the extreme to make a point.

02:31:21.000 I think the issue is for one, you don't want to admit you're wrong because you've already committed to this lifestyle.

02:31:27.000 No, I believe that I am raising my kids as well as anybody.

02:31:32.000 Exactly.

02:31:33.000 And you don't want to say I made a mistake.

02:31:34.000 No, I don't think I made a mistake.

02:31:35.000 I think you did.

02:31:36.000 I think you made a mistake.

02:31:37.000 I freaking care.

02:31:38.000 My kids are awesome, objectively.

02:31:40.000 Do they like the things that you like?

02:31:41.000 Not all.

02:31:43.000 Do they listen to the same music and have the same values and traditions?

02:31:46.000 Do they listen to the same music?

02:31:47.000 No.

02:31:47.000 Do they have the same values and traditions?

02:31:48.000 Yes, I think so.

02:31:49.000 Do they have bad friends they sometimes hang out with?

02:31:52.000 There are no bad.

02:31:53.000 What's fascinating to me is that if you look at the American tradition and if you look at human tradition in general, blood is thicker than water.

02:32:00.000 Now, the funny thing is, there's a longer phrase that actually means the inverse, but we talked about that before.

02:32:06.000 If you go back in history, you will find that almost every instance of family, the children did not rebel against their parents.

02:32:12.000 That was just not reality.

02:32:14.000 And then with the Industrial Revolution and the mechanization of learning facilities, the institutionalized learning facility, children all of a sudden became rebellious.

02:32:21.000 The reason was children were no longer being influenced by their parents.

02:32:25.000 At five years old, you're wrong.

02:32:27.000 The reason is that children were no longer like sources of production who had to contribute or die.

02:32:33.000 That has nothing to do with influence.

02:32:35.000 Of course it does.

02:32:36.000 They were completely dependent on their parents in a way they aren't now.

02:32:40.000 No, the reason why children believed different things from their parents was not because of field work, it's because they put them with different people.

02:32:48.000 TV.

02:32:49.000 Would you rather live in the Amazon where basically children are hunter gatherers at this point and the family unit is sacrosanct and there's no school?

02:32:59.000 Because I wouldn't.

02:33:01.000 That's not really the argument.

02:33:02.000 The argument is you can live in the modern era and not have your kids be influenced by strangers.

02:33:07.000 Maybe you can't.

02:33:09.000 You can.

02:33:09.000 Okay.

02:33:10.000 People do it all the time.

02:33:11.000 But they're going to be influenced by friends if they have friends, they're going to be influenced by adults.

02:33:16.000 And you know what happens when there's a bad friend who does bad things?

02:33:18.000 You know, my parents did?

02:33:19.000 What?

02:33:19.000 They grounded me.

02:33:21.000 And then I couldn't go outside if I hung out with the bad influence kid, and then I didn't.

02:33:21.000 Okay.

02:33:25.000 Good.

02:33:26.000 That works for them, and it worked for you.

02:33:30.000 Attitude, you might have rebelled more.

02:33:32.000 So, would you, you, so if, um, if the child goes and listens to Lizzo at a friend's house, they get grounded for going to a friend's house and listening to Lizzo?

02:33:39.000 That's a particularly extreme example, I would argue.

02:33:42.000 My point is, I am not going to create circumstances by which my kid is going to be like, I want to hang out with a bunch of gangbanging rappers who are twerking on a car.

02:33:50.000 It's just not going to happen.

02:33:51.000 Yeah.

02:33:51.000 It's literally not.

02:33:52.000 I will move.

02:33:52.000 Dude, you don't want to.

02:33:54.000 I will get in a car and I will drive to a different city full of Christians going to church and we'll go to church every Sunday.

02:33:59.000 Make sure she trusts you because you can help her.

02:34:01.000 Like, I had a friend that used to light gasoline on fire in his garage.

02:34:04.000 And when I told my parents, my dad's a fireman, he's like, you can never hang out with him again.

02:34:07.000 He was a block away.

02:34:08.000 And it devastated me.

02:34:09.000 And I never hung out with him again because I trusted my parents.

02:34:12.000 What happened with him?

02:34:12.000 The issue right now.

02:34:13.000 Did the guy end up okay?

02:34:15.000 I see him online.

02:34:16.000 So the issue right now is.

02:34:17.000 Shout out to Mark.

02:34:18.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:34:18.000 He's cool as fuck. 0.99

02:34:19.000 So I've been, I would consider myself like, you know, I read a lot. 0.99

02:34:25.000 I think it's apparent to everybody.

02:34:26.000 So I was reading about a lot of this stuff back when I was a teenager because I didn't know, I was trying to understand what.

02:34:31.000 To do with my life, how the world works, things of this nature.

02:34:34.000 And my dad and mom had been telling me to go to college.

02:34:37.000 And I didn't understand.

02:34:40.000 Like, this is who I am.

02:34:41.000 If you come to me and say, look, college, I'll say, you have to break it down mathematically so I can see all of the steps to the logic and make a conclusion.

02:34:49.000 If you just come to me and tell me college good, I'll say, prove it.

02:34:53.000 So that's what I did.

02:34:54.000 And the story I love to tell is there was an economist who worked, I think, in the Bush administration who said, if you go to any investor and you tell them, give me $40,000, and after four years, You'll owe me $40,000 plus 5% interest. 0.99

02:35:06.000 They'll tell you that's the stupidest investment they've ever heard of. 0.74

02:35:09.000 And so that's what we're telling all of the kids to do in college. 1.00

02:35:12.000 And so I looked at that and I was like, my parents are completely wrong about this.

02:35:15.000 He broke down the math saying, if you're 16 years old, get a job at McDonald's, do not quit and work there 40 hours, be on time, work hard, dress right, speak right.

02:35:25.000 Thank you, sir.

02:35:25.000 Yes, ma'am.

02:35:26.000 Yes, sir.

02:35:27.000 In four years, you're an assistant manager.

02:35:29.000 If you save 10%, you will have several thousand dollars.

02:35:33.000 Actually, he actually did the math.

02:35:34.000 And this is back in, you know, this is 2003 or something.

02:35:37.000 2002, maybe.

02:35:38.000 And then he was like, Now compare the college grad at 22 years old.

02:35:42.000 You are 22.

02:35:43.000 You are an assistant manager with a small salary or maybe a slightly higher hourly wage with a savings and no debt.

02:35:49.000 The college graduate has no job and is looking for prospects, but has $40,000 in debt plus interest that they have to add to their monthly budgets.

02:35:58.000 Now their cost of living is higher by default, and you already have a savings.

02:36:02.000 If you continue this course traditionally, the college drop, the kid who never went to college retires with $1.5 million, and the college graduate retires with $500,000.

02:36:13.000 College is a mistake unless you're going for a passion, it's free, it's a scholarship, or it's a requirement, like you want to be a doctor or academic or otherwise. 0.94

02:36:22.000 So I looked at all that stuff and I said, holy shit, everybody's wrong. 0.97

02:36:26.000 Why are they all lying to us? 0.94

02:36:28.000 So I started looking into natural human development and then I started reading a bunch of other interesting academic things.

02:36:34.000 The most important years of human beings' life are zero through five years old.

02:36:37.000 What do Americans do with their kids from the ages of zero through five?

02:36:40.000 On average.

02:36:41.000 Not everybody.

02:36:42.000 I think in this room.

02:36:43.000 I don't think it, but I know what you're thinking about.

02:36:44.000 Sit them in front of a television set.

02:36:44.000 Nothing.

02:36:46.000 Yeah, nothing.

02:36:46.000 Literal nothing.

02:36:47.000 Historically, I should say, traditionally, in the last hundred years with institutionalized learning facilities, it has been nothing.

02:36:53.000 They have done, and this was never the case for 40,000 years.

02:36:56.000 Typically, the children would be with mothers for the first three months, male or female.

02:37:01.000 Then the kids would always be around the parents, and the work was done largely at home.

02:37:05.000 Now, I understand it's field work, but we're talking about when there's cobblers, leather workers, blacksmiths, printing presses.

02:37:11.000 The children are around as the parents are explaining what they do, and the kids grow up.

02:37:15.000 And that's why there's a last name, because the blacksmith's kid was a blacksmith.

02:37:20.000 So they were learning from zero until they were teenagers and then became principal workers.

02:37:26.000 In that specific industry, we disabled that.

02:37:29.000 Then from zero through five, children learned nothing.

02:37:32.000 So, what happened?

02:37:33.000 No neural pathways were forming for the purpose of survival and passion.

02:37:38.000 So, there's an interesting question I like to ask my friends when we were in college.

02:37:42.000 I had a friend who was 23 when I was like 20, and I said, What are you going to school for? 0.99

02:37:48.000 And she's like, Fuck me, I don't know, fucking business management or something. 0.99

02:37:51.000 And I said, What are you going to do when you graduate? 1.00

02:37:53.000 I mean, she's 23 already, right? 1.00

02:37:55.000 She's like, Fuck me, I don't know, I don't even know what I want to do. 0.99

02:37:58.000 And I said, What were you doing when you were 13? 1.00

02:38:00.000 She goes, Riding my bike with my friends.

02:38:02.000 And I said, You want to own a bar?

02:38:03.000 And she goes, Oh my God, I want to own a bar so bad.

02:38:06.000 And I said, Because humans want to do what they were doing when they're 13 years old for the rest of their lives.

02:38:10.000 However, for most Americans, they're doing nothing.

02:38:13.000 So there's nothing they want to do.

02:38:14.000 So they hate their jobs.

02:38:15.000 They grow up, they're miserable, and they want to do nothing.

02:38:18.000 And that's why we have so many communists who want to do nothing.

02:38:20.000 Me, what was I doing when I was 13?

02:38:22.000 Anyone take a stab at it?

02:38:23.000 Skating.

02:38:24.000 I was sitting on the internet reading news stories.

02:38:26.000 It's not an exaggeration.

02:38:27.000 I was doing flash animation, programming video games on multimedia fusion.

02:38:27.000 I was sitting around.

02:38:31.000 Flash.

02:38:32.000 I was reading FARC.com.

02:38:34.000 I think that was around back then.

02:38:35.000 Newgrounds.

02:38:36.000 I was reading the news all day, every day on the internet.

02:38:39.000 And that's still basically what I do.

02:38:41.000 And I was skateboarding and playing music, and I do those things.

02:38:45.000 So right now we live in a country where the overwhelming majority of babies are raised by parents who do not give them any education from zero through five.

02:38:53.000 And it's hyperbolic.

02:38:55.000 You are wrong.

02:38:56.000 No, no, no, no.

02:38:56.000 The majority of parents do not give their kids education zero through five.

02:38:59.000 That's a fact.

02:39:00.000 Music playing.

02:39:01.000 It's technically a fact statement.

02:39:02.000 I'm not making that up.

02:39:03.000 It's not my opinion.

02:39:04.000 The majority of Parents in this country are not trying to read to their kids.

02:39:09.000 I didn't say they weren't reading to their kids.

02:39:11.000 Okay, so reading to their kids is not showing them math.

02:39:14.000 I knew long division when I was four years old.

02:39:16.000 Okay.

02:39:16.000 My mom was tutoring me, my brother, and my sister the moment we could communicate in any meaningful way.

02:39:21.000 So, someone with kids, you know this, right? 0.59

02:39:23.000 Babies will sign.

02:39:25.000 So, when I was less than a year old, I was signing, and my daughter also signs.

02:39:31.000 She now has more words, but she does a lot of hand signs because babies can't, like, my daughter can't say ter, so she says wah wah.

02:39:38.000 For water. 1.00

02:39:39.000 But she can do various hand signs that communicate specific things that she wants. 0.99

02:39:43.000 So, right.

02:39:44.000 So, my mom started teaching us the moment we could sign.

02:39:47.000 I learned chess when I was three years old.

02:39:50.000 I learned how to play chess.

02:39:50.000 I was three.

02:39:51.000 I knew all the rules.

02:39:51.000 I wasn't particularly good at it, but I understood how to play.

02:39:54.000 Started playing Magic the Gathering when I was like six or seven.

02:39:57.000 My mom taught me, like, I was doing first and second grade English when I was three and four.

02:40:03.000 So, when I got to kindergarten, I knew long division.

02:40:06.000 I knew all the multiplication tables.

02:40:08.000 I knew negatives. 0.99

02:40:09.000 I knew decimals, fractions, and no one around me knew shit. 0.99

02:40:13.000 Oh, no wonder. 0.77

02:40:14.000 Now, it is entirely possible for any human being. 0.99

02:40:18.000 I'm being hyperbolic here because I know some people are retarded to learn these things between the ages of zero through five, but we don't do this. 1.00

02:40:25.000 Reading to kids is not education. 1.00

02:40:28.000 Look, you were an exceptional kid, and that's.

02:40:31.000 I don't think so.

02:40:32.000 My mom just taught us to read.

02:40:33.000 But this is a separate issue from what we were talking about before, which is how much control you're going to have over your children's lives and experiences as they age.

02:40:41.000 Yep.

02:40:42.000 I think it will be less.

02:40:42.000 And you have.

02:40:44.000 No.

02:40:44.000 I mean, here's sort of the basic way to look at this, okay?

02:40:48.000 At least half of your kid's outcome is factory installed, it's 50 percent genetic or more.

02:40:54.000 Agreed, the rest, which let's say it's 40 to 50 percent, let's be optimistic, is every single other influence where you live, who you are, their siblings, their friends, their school, the larger environment, everything.

02:41:08.000 Yep, okay.

02:41:09.000 So, as a parent, if you are able to control 30 percent of that 40 or 50 percent, which would be 12 to 15 percent, you are you are.

02:41:19.000 Doing a great job.

02:41:20.000 Okay.

02:41:20.000 And if you get it all right, you get that 12% to be as good as it can be.

02:41:24.000 So you are overestimating your ability to control your kids or their outcomes.

02:41:29.000 I think you.

02:41:30.000 It doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

02:41:31.000 I think you're wrong.

02:41:32.000 That's what this is about.

02:41:33.000 And I think.

02:41:34.000 Overestimate.

02:41:35.000 I think you did not control for your kids.

02:41:37.000 So you're projecting onto me what you did not do.

02:41:39.000 So let me just say.

02:41:39.000 Okay.

02:41:40.000 What about my home life or my kids?

02:41:42.000 Well, you keep telling me that.

02:41:45.000 You're going to have less control.

02:41:46.000 Yes.

02:41:47.000 That's all I'm telling you.

02:41:47.000 And so let me ask you, like, what if I, like, My daughter is like seven, and I say, Hey, we're moving to Oregon.

02:41:53.000 Okay.

02:41:54.000 So, is that control of everything in her life?

02:41:56.000 No, but it's control of how not?

02:41:59.000 Because she's still going to have friends in a school and her mom.

02:41:59.000 How is it not?

02:42:03.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:42:03.000 No, no, no.

02:42:04.000 I removed her from those schools.

02:42:05.000 Okay.

02:42:06.000 So, you're putting her next to school? 0.99

02:42:07.000 I can control her school. 1.00

02:42:08.000 My daughter's not going to public school.

02:42:10.000 I know.

02:42:10.000 Right.

02:42:11.000 I know. 1.00

02:42:11.000 She's going to be homeschooled. 1.00

02:42:12.000 Okay.

02:42:13.000 And you think that that will lead to a better outcome?

02:42:15.000 Absolutely.

02:42:16.000 I think it's proven.

02:42:16.000 It may not.

02:42:18.000 But even moving her, okay.

02:42:21.000 You're not controlling her entire world, you're controlling where she's living.

02:42:25.000 She's still going to be among other people in that new place, right?

02:42:29.000 But the point is, I can control who those people are again up to a certain point, and then you're you know.

02:42:35.000 So, like, if there's a bad kid and I say we're moving, and then we go to a new place and there's another bad kid, we move again, I can literally control who she's around.

02:42:42.000 Do you think that's going to be good for her constantly uprooting her because you think someone bad is in her environment?

02:42:46.000 That would be good for her, like, if there's a kid who's doing heroin, yeah, we're moving, okay, or you could just.

02:42:52.000 Prevent her. 0.99

02:42:52.000 I guess she'll just do hair because I can't stop her from hanging out with people. 0.99

02:42:55.000 You can kind of prevent what she doesn't do, but you can't control what she chooses to do.

02:43:01.000 This is, guys, I have a friend who's a pro athlete who, when he was a little kid, he told his dad he wanted a skateboard.

02:43:12.000 And his dad said, If I get you this skateboard, I'm going to make you use it.

02:43:14.000 And he goes, Yeah, yeah, get me a skateboard.

02:43:16.000 And then a week later, he said, I don't want to skate anymore.

02:43:17.000 And he goes, Pick it up, get in the car, we're going to the skate park.

02:43:20.000 And he complained the whole time.

02:43:20.000 Sure.

02:43:21.000 And now he's a pro athlete.

02:43:22.000 Sure.

02:43:23.000 And I said, Are you happy that your parents made you do the thing you didn't want to do? 1.00

02:43:25.000 And he goes, Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

02:43:26.000 Of course. 1.00

02:43:27.000 That's parenting.

02:43:28.000 That's fine.

02:43:29.000 Indeed.

02:43:29.000 That's not locking your 15 year old up and saying that she can't go to her friends because her friend listens to Lizzo.

02:43:34.000 I guarantee you.

02:43:34.000 Right.

02:43:35.000 That is the right thing to do.

02:43:35.000 That was a different thing.

02:43:37.000 And of course.

02:43:39.000 But that's, of course, hyperbolic.

02:43:41.000 The worst thing in the world is not listening to Lizzo.

02:43:43.000 But that's the example that you used.

02:43:43.000 Right.

02:43:45.000 You know, I wasn't a little bit of a kid.

02:43:46.000 To the average person, kids inherit their culture from their parents.

02:43:50.000 So get that.

02:43:51.000 To the average person, moving your kids over one bad influence is hyperbolic because they would never be able to afford it.

02:43:56.000 It's not practical.

02:43:58.000 And also, once you're at 12 years old, it will obliterate your will to live.

02:44:02.000 Like if you get moved away from your friends at 12, it is, oh God, that would be horrific. 0.97

02:44:07.000 This world that we live in where the kids know best for their own feelings is like the dumbest thing. 0.96

02:44:11.000 No, I mean, it would just hurt. 1.00

02:44:12.000 It's not like that would be like, dude, if my dad did not smack my ass and my mom did not yell at me, like I'd be a shithead in the gutter. 1.00

02:44:18.000 Maybe. 1.00

02:44:20.000 I have no respect.

02:44:21.000 I know so many people who grew up whose parents were like, I guess, you know, like, so many people that I grew up with whose parents were like, I guess I can't stop them from doing it.

02:44:31.000 One of them's dead, two of them are dead.

02:44:32.000 You have to stop them, but you can't make them do other things.

02:44:35.000 Yeah, well, where I grew up, you can make them play sports and stuff like that.

02:44:39.000 One chick was 14 when she died of a heroin overdose because her parents were like, well, she's at school.

02:44:43.000 What are we going to do about it?

02:44:45.000 And that's what I grew up with like, wow, that's never going to happen to me.

02:44:47.000 No.

02:44:48.000 I see these stories of kids where they go to school and they think they're trans.

02:44:52.000 And I'm like, the bad parents. 1.00

02:44:53.000 Yeah, I agree. 1.00

02:44:54.000 Who the fuck gives their kids to be influenced by some wackaloon communist? 1.00

02:44:58.000 No, it's. 1.00

02:44:59.000 But Tim, see, this is a case where that's actively bad parenting.

02:45:02.000 A lot of the kids who think they're trans are being semi encouraged in it by their parents, right?

02:45:08.000 You see this sometimes with kids. 0.88

02:45:10.000 Right, but they're.

02:45:11.000 I'm talking about the legal battles.

02:45:13.000 Right?

02:45:13.000 Indeed.

02:45:14.000 What are the odds of that without sort of parental pushing?

02:45:18.000 Bro.

02:45:18.000 I would ultimately just say, we're going to go to callers.

02:45:20.000 Yeah, I know.

02:45:21.000 We started off talking about the conspiracy of 90s rock being overturned in the decade.

02:45:25.000 I'd love to go there again, but we're not.

02:45:26.000 Right.

02:45:27.000 And I'm going to conclude with this point.

02:45:28.000 For all.

02:45:30.000 When record labels know they can sell a product to a parent and that the parent will play it in the presence of their kids and other kids will also already like rock music, why change the genre instantly and overnight for everybody? 0.77

02:45:43.000 It correlates with the Soviet Union coming down, too.

02:45:45.000 I don't know.

02:45:46.000 I'm not saying you're right.

02:45:47.000 I agree. 1.00

02:45:48.000 It's when they said we're going to create a global homogenized culture. 0.94

02:45:51.000 Thank you for the first American culture was destroy the Soviets, so everything Americana was good and must be maximized and exported. 0.75

02:45:58.000 The Soviets collapsed and they said, Now we will take over the world. 0.92

02:46:01.000 We need a generic lowest common denominator content for everybody.

02:46:04.000 So it's actually really simple.

02:46:06.000 Parents who give their kids warm, sticky cinnamon buns likely will have kids who like warm, sticky cinnamon buns, right?

02:46:12.000 Yeah, sure.

02:46:13.000 I mean, it's true.

02:46:15.000 If there's a parent who likes warm, sticky cinnamon buns but refuses to ever make them for their kids, that kid won't know about it, right?

02:46:24.000 They might find warm sticky buns somewhere else.

02:46:27.000 The point, I don't know what you're doing with the semantic.

02:46:29.000 The point is obvious.

02:46:30.000 What I'm saying is a kid who grows up never having a sticky bun is not going to scream, I want sticky buns.

02:46:35.000 The point is this if the parents have primed the child to like certain things culturally, why would you spend extra money on something they don't know about?

02:46:44.000 Why not sell them something they are primed to already purchase?

02:46:48.000 I just don't think the music companies are in the.

02:46:50.000 You think demographic shift in America had something to do with that because the music doesn't appeal to everybody?

02:46:55.000 Or that they're winning the first two albums.

02:46:56.000 And it's to create a lowest common denominator of music.

02:46:58.000 That's exactly what I'm saying.

02:46:59.000 Because those first two Bone Thugs and Harmony albums are fantastic, and I'm never going to give them up.

02:47:03.000 So you've got Sabrina Carpenter, who sells arenas on a good day.

02:47:09.000 Is there a Gen Z celebrity? 1.00

02:47:11.000 Olivia Rodriguez. 0.99

02:47:12.000 She sells stadiums? 0.94

02:47:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:47:15.000 I don't think she sells stadiums.

02:47:17.000 I think we went over this.

02:47:17.000 I don't think so.

02:47:18.000 The weekend.

02:47:19.000 She has four songs in the top ten right now.

02:47:21.000 I understand, but is she selling stadiums? 1.00

02:47:23.000 She's selling stadiums. 0.70

02:47:24.000 What's her name?

02:47:24.000 Who is it?

02:47:25.000 Olivia Rodriguez.

02:47:26.000 The weekend.

02:47:28.000 We went over this a while ago in talking about that Gen Z has no celebrities and Olivia Rodrigo is the only one.

02:47:33.000 There are other.

02:47:34.000 I mean, what do you mean Sabrina Carpenter isn't a celebrity?

02:47:38.000 Or do you not. 0.96

02:47:38.000 Like, Beyonce can sell stadiums. 0.96

02:47:40.000 Sydney Sweeney is a celebrity. 0.97

02:47:41.000 Yeah, she was selling stadiums on the Guts tour and she's expected to on the Unraveled tour. 0.97

02:47:46.000 Because we went over this, I think she was the only one, she was the only Gen Z superstar.

02:47:51.000 You could even make the argument that she's rock. 1.00

02:47:53.000 And that Olivia Rodrigo is this industry plant, given she's about to do an all female tour and all the proceeds are going to abortion. 0.97

02:48:01.000 But actually, this still lends to the whole point that after the end of USAID evaporated, Lizzo can't sell shit and a Gen Z rock star is doing well. 0.95

02:48:11.000 Pop rock and pop punk. 0.97

02:48:13.000 But still, it's rock.

02:48:15.000 She got sued by Paramore.

02:48:17.000 We got to get Carl's combo.

02:48:18.000 The conspiracy combo is more interesting, but there's no end to it.

02:48:21.000 The debate about how to parent kids, I think, is the most epic debate.

02:48:25.000 That was cool.

02:48:26.000 Yeah, I just think that every time I have a conversation with parents about this, none of them want to accept they made mistakes.

02:48:33.000 So they always just say, You'll learn.

02:48:36.000 And I'm like, You know?

02:48:37.000 I don't think I made mistakes.

02:48:39.000 I know my kids.

02:48:42.000 They're not perfect, but they're pretty awesome.

02:48:44.000 I just think when you say to other people, you will learn as if your experience is universal, is a refusal to admit that other things could be done.

02:48:52.000 You're the one saying that you can hide, you believe on no evidence because you haven't parented anybody who's big enough to walk away.

02:49:01.000 What does that mean, no evidence?

02:49:02.000 No evidence.

02:49:03.000 No reason.

02:49:04.000 We've already logically concluded that you can take your kid away from anything.

02:49:08.000 So I don't know what you need evidence to say you could drive your kid away from somewhere.

02:49:11.000 Maybe we have this debate in like 10 years and then we can do it all.

02:49:15.000 Constantly, yes.

02:49:16.000 Every year we should.

02:49:17.000 I'm just fascinated by the Amish.

02:49:18.000 I'm fascinated by it now. 0.90

02:49:19.000 Heaven's me, the Amish listening to their rap music and wearing baggy pants, right? 1.00

02:49:23.000 Do you want your child to be Amish? 1.00

02:49:25.000 I don't want my children to be Amish. 1.00

02:49:27.000 Is that the argument I'm making, or are you just equivocating? 1.00

02:49:29.000 No, you're arguing into absurdity.

02:49:31.000 It's not absurdity. 1.00

02:49:32.000 Explain to me how the Amish have kept their kids from being ragamuffins. 1.00

02:49:37.000 Ragamuffins? 1.00

02:49:38.000 Ragamuffins.

02:49:39.000 Rapscallions.

02:49:39.000 Magic.

02:49:40.000 No sticky buns either for them. 1.00

02:49:41.000 You know the Amish? 1.00

02:49:42.000 I'm going to throw them in there.

02:49:43.000 You know the Amish? 1.00

02:49:44.000 I'm going to throw them in there. 1.00

02:49:46.000 And assume all is well. 1.00

02:49:46.000 You know the Amish? 1.00

02:49:48.000 I have no idea what's going on.

02:49:49.000 First of all, the Amish don't drive buggies, they drive cars. 1.00

02:49:49.000 Okay, okay. 1.00

02:49:53.000 You sure about that one?

02:49:54.000 Yeah, because they live next door to us.

02:49:56.000 We go shopping at the Amish Mennonite store all the time.

02:49:58.000 And they have pickup trucks.

02:50:00.000 And they drive their car to the store to sell us beef.

02:50:03.000 And they have one computer just for business now or something?

02:50:06.000 No, go to the Mennonite shopping store and they've got TVs and they're watching movies.

02:50:10.000 It's just what world do people in there call us wrong?

02:50:14.000 It's just that the people who watch movies and base their worldview off movies think the Amish drive around in buggies.

02:50:21.000 I've seen Amish buggies in upstate New York.

02:50:24.000 Indeed, some of them may exist, but we have massive Amish and Mennonite communities all around here, and they wear jeans and t shirts.

02:50:31.000 Okay.

02:50:32.000 Sometimes they do wear their frilly bonnets and all that stuff.

02:50:34.000 The question is how come their kids live with them and they have big families and their traditions haven't changed? 1.00

02:50:39.000 Why have the parents of the Amish been able to keep their kids from running off and turning to degenerates? 1.00

02:50:43.000 I have magic powers. 1.00

02:50:46.000 Because you couldn't do it, but they could, I guess.

02:50:48.000 They don't have degenerates, man.

02:50:48.000 So it's got to be magic.

02:50:49.000 They're running off. 0.98

02:50:50.000 The Amish will learn. 0.99

02:50:50.000 No, you're right. 0.99

02:50:52.000 Maybe in 500 years, when their tradition finally breaks, they'll learn. 1.00

02:50:55.000 But the Amish send their kids off for room springer, right? 1.00

02:50:59.000 But most of them come back to the church anyway. 0.99

02:51:00.000 That's right.

02:51:01.000 But they allow them access to the outside world by a certain amount of time.

02:51:05.000 At a certain age, they're allowed to go out for a vacation to see what everyone does, and they almost always come back.

02:51:10.000 Almost because nothing's absolute.

02:51:12.000 We'll lock them up, but just not until they're finished. 1.00

02:51:15.000 It's curious how the Amish have pulled it off perfectly, but nobody else does. 0.71

02:51:18.000 There's also a background of faith there, and a lot of people are living secular lives.

02:51:22.000 Indeed.

02:51:23.000 And how was it that a Christian nation had secular children? 0.64

02:51:30.000 I think it's TV, personal.

02:51:32.000 90% Christian country, now what, 68%? 0.60

02:51:35.000 What happened to the boomer parents, to the great generation, where they did not raise their kids with Christian values? 0.78

02:51:42.000 Final answer television. 0.91

02:51:43.000 Kids got absorbed by foreign.

02:51:44.000 They gave the influence away to other people.

02:51:48.000 Radio.

02:51:49.000 Indeed.

02:51:50.000 Brian, major threat.

02:51:52.000 What up?

02:51:53.000 What do you think, Brian?

02:51:54.000 Oh, hi.

02:51:56.000 Thanks for having me on again.

02:51:57.000 You know who I am.

02:51:58.000 I'm a frequent caller, Discord volunteer, Ian Wardrobe Situation Monitor.

02:52:04.000 Nice hat, by the way.

02:52:05.000 Thanks, dude.

02:52:06.000 Thank you.

02:52:08.000 Anyway, hopefully, my question resets the tone a little bit, but it's for Alex.

02:52:15.000 Now that we know that USAID taxpayer money flowed through the EcoHealth Alliance to the Wuhan Institute for coronavirus research, on top of the NIH funding they were already getting, and with the recent declassification reinforcing the lab origin, does this point to the leak being more of a simple accident?

02:52:41.000 Was it a reckless gain of function research that got out of control?

02:52:45.000 Or do you see signs that it could have been intentional to trigger exactly the kind of global response and control we saw?

02:52:54.000 I think it was accidental.

02:52:56.000 And then I think that a bunch of people in public health decided that this was a chance to do some stuff that they'd been hoping to do or talking about doing for a long time in terms of seeing how they could get people to stay inside and try lockdown.

02:53:13.000 And, you know, people proved to be more pliable than I think a lot of us would have hoped.

02:53:19.000 So, you know, it's sort of between two and three. 1.00

02:53:23.000 I think the release of COVID was accidental, it was a Chinese screw up. 0.99

02:53:27.000 And then I think a lot of people decided, you know, we're going to try to frighten the world into staying inside and did so quite successfully. 0.98

02:53:36.000 You think Klaus Schwab rushed out that book, COVID 19, The Great Reset, because of the accidental leak?

02:53:41.000 Because it came out like right after?

02:53:42.000 No, I think, you know, I think it took him about 24 hours to write because it's not a great book.

02:53:48.000 Um, so yeah, I mean, I tend not to believe in big conspiracies.

02:53:53.000 I tend to believe that people kind of act in their own self interest, and sometimes when these processes get started, they're you know, it's like a ball rolling downhill.

02:54:01.000 Um, you know, so yeah, but but I but but do I think there are a lot of people who we ideally would hold accountable for this and we have not?

02:54:12.000 Yes, you know, is it ever going to happen?

02:54:14.000 No, yeah, that's kind of my read on it.

02:54:19.000 So, with just to follow up on that.

02:54:22.000 So, how much of the censorship and fall of the science narrative was protecting the people who funded this?

02:54:28.000 Quite a bit of it, right?

02:54:29.000 I mean, you can see Fauci, as soon as he locked in on this in late January 2020, he was immediately concerned about the idea that this had come out of this lab.

02:54:40.000 And he certainly knew, you know, Peter Dazak had spoken, or Barrick had spoken, Ralph Barrick, who's the American virologist in the middle of all this, to a group at NIH in 2013.

02:54:52.000 A long, and I wrote about this.

02:54:54.000 You know, two years ago, this is one of these things that I wrote about two years ago, and I thought the story should have gotten, you know, 100 million views, and it didn't.

02:55:00.000 And it was very disappointing to me.

02:55:02.000 But, you know, it got attention, but it didn't get any kind of attention that it should have.

02:55:06.000 So, Barrick spoke about these emerging viruses, about all the threats in 2013 to a group that included Fauci.

02:55:15.000 Fauci was there, okay? 0.92

02:55:17.000 And they spent the next, you know, seven years talking about how dangerous all this stuff was and how they needed to do gain of function research and they needed to go into every, you know, Cave in China and swab every bat's asshole to find the most dangerous possible virus. 0.96

02:55:31.000 I'm barely joking.

02:55:33.000 And then, when they couldn't find one that was dangerous enough, they did all this, you know, they did gain a function to create these chimeric viruses that would be more dangerous. 0.99

02:55:41.000 Eventually, the Chinese screwed up and one of them leaked. 0.99

02:55:41.000 And guess what? 0.99

02:55:44.000 And this is all really, you know, at our door.

02:55:47.000 It's like if the robots come and destroy the world, it will be Anthropic and OpenAI's fault, even if it's a Chinese robot that does it, because the US is the engine behind all of this sort of technological advancement. 0.89

02:56:02.000 And then, you know, then the Chinese take it and they mess it up. 0.95

02:56:06.000 Or they build their own version of it and we lose control of it. 1.00

02:56:09.000 And that definitely, to my mind, is what happened with COVID.

02:56:14.000 I have a question.

02:56:15.000 Do you guys think that China used an earthquake weapon on Venezuela to stop their oil production?

02:56:20.000 First thing I thought when you brought it up.

02:56:20.000 Yes.

02:56:22.000 Because I'm reading about how it was a doublet earthquake in the sevens on the Richter scale, which is like a once in a millennium event.

02:56:29.000 And it's considered to be extremely unusual.

02:56:31.000 Could have just because Ben Ian was in a bad mood.

02:56:34.000 Yeah, but maybe because they were in a bad mood.

02:56:37.000 Now people understand why I'm always trying to get Ian in a bad mood. 0.99

02:56:40.000 Oh, you want me to counter the Chinese weapons? 1.00

02:56:42.000 I took out a massive insurance policy on the property. 1.00

02:56:46.000 Point me in the right direction, dude.

02:56:47.000 Your enemies will tremble before you.

02:56:49.000 You got anything you want to add or any follow up questions?

02:56:55.000 No, I already hit my follow up.

02:56:58.000 I'll just go ahead and shout out my friends in the Discord, especially the fine folks in the VIP chat.

02:57:04.000 Allie, when you sort everything out, we welcome you back with open arms.

02:57:10.000 Hey, man.

02:57:10.000 Holler.

02:57:11.000 Thanks, Dave.

02:57:11.000 Cheers.

02:57:12.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:57:13.000 Man.

02:57:14.000 I'm watching these videos from Venezuela.

02:57:15.000 They're crazy.

02:57:17.000 Sassy1234. 0.99

02:57:18.000 What's going on?

02:57:19.000 What up?

02:57:21.000 Thank you for taking my call.

02:57:21.000 Hello.

02:57:22.000 You're welcome.

02:57:25.000 So currently there's a court martial case, one of the more egregious cases of COVID retaliation and reprisal, Davis Siance's firm has seen.

02:57:25.000 Okay.

02:57:33.000 What are your thoughts on the ongoing COVID purge within the U.S. military, and how do you think the administration should be handling this?

02:57:40.000 It's ongoing.

02:57:41.000 Yeah, I thought Hagseth had really reversed this, and that was a good thing.

02:57:46.000 I didn't know that there was still a purge.

02:57:50.000 Yeah, unfortunately, there are still many service members, one being my husband.

02:57:56.000 An article was just written in the Gateway Pundit about his story.

02:58:02.000 Unfortunately, there are many service members who are still being purged out of the military due to their COVID vaccine refusal. 1.00

02:58:10.000 The fuck? 0.99

02:58:12.000 I will look that up. 1.00

02:58:13.000 As I said, I was not aware.

02:58:15.000 It's in the Gateway Pundit.

02:58:16.000 I'll check it out.

02:58:18.000 Yeah, so it was written by JM Phelps LC at Twitter if you want to look him up.

02:58:25.000 And Davis Younts is our lawyer.

02:58:28.000 He would be an excellent guest also to ever, if you ever wanted someone on your show to talk about, he's helped other service members.

02:58:37.000 He's also represented like the Navy SEALs when all the stuff was going down.

02:58:43.000 Initially, with everything with the COVID vaccine in the military.

02:58:49.000 And also, there's a movie coming out called Duty to Disobey.

02:58:54.000 And that should be out on June 30th if anyone was interested in looking into it.

02:58:59.000 There's the ongoing COVID purge within the military.

02:59:03.000 It's never stopped.

02:59:04.000 Wow.

02:59:05.000 Jesus.

02:59:05.000 That's crazy.

02:59:07.000 Yeah.

02:59:09.000 Yeah.

02:59:09.000 I mean, I don't have any particular thoughts on it.

02:59:11.000 Like I said, I wasn't aware that there was still people being purged because of COVID shots or whatever.

02:59:18.000 Yeah.

02:59:19.000 Well, I'm glad I brought it to your attention, and maybe your viewers can look into it as well because it's quite egregious and it's really been a hardship on myself and my family and my husband.

02:59:32.000 And I just feel like more awareness needs to be brought to light about the situation.

02:59:39.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:59:40.000 Right on.

02:59:40.000 Crazy.

02:59:41.000 Thanks for calling.

02:59:41.000 Yeah.

02:59:43.000 Yeah.

02:59:43.000 Thank you.

02:59:44.000 Also, I don't know if I can shout this out, but we have a give, send, go stand with the military family.

02:59:49.000 It just helps with our defense funds for our lawyer.

02:59:54.000 If anyone has anything that they could, even a prayer, anything for us, that'd be great.

02:59:59.000 Thank you so much.

03:00:01.000 Right on.

03:00:01.000 Appreciate it.

03:00:02.000 Thanks for calling in.

03:00:03.000 Thank you.

03:00:04.000 Thank you.

03:00:07.000 All right.

03:00:07.000 And last but not least, we got the plague doc.

03:00:10.000 Hey.

03:00:10.000 What's up, doc?

03:00:11.000 What up, doc?

03:00:12.000 Can you hear me well?

03:00:12.000 Hello.

03:00:13.000 Yes.

03:00:14.000 Doing well.

03:00:16.000 Someone question, even if I know that probably the answer would be Jesse. 0.96

03:00:21.000 To the guests, will you make your wife or daughter use the hijab on threat of? 1.00

03:00:26.000 New York City voted for the Palestinians, so I'm sure you're okay to put kids in like such. 1.00

03:00:31.000 You broke up. 1.00

03:00:32.000 Yeah, try talking a little bit closer to your mic or phone if you would.

03:00:37.000 Okay, so would you make your wife or daughter use the hijab under the threat of violence, like in the UK?

03:00:43.000 To the guests.

03:00:47.000 I wasn't aware that they were facing.

03:00:51.000 I mean, no, no one I know has to use the hijab.

03:00:57.000 I mean, usually those are hypotheticals, but the thing is, they begin to happen eventually. 1.00

03:01:02.000 And we know these people will do this.

03:01:05.000 If it gets to that point, I'll worry about it then. 0.95

03:01:09.000 I'm not too worried that the hijab is going to be required in New York City. 1.00

03:01:13.000 But you need to be preventative over things. 0.99

03:01:16.000 You need to prevent this from happening, not waiting.

03:01:18.000 Oh, I will wait until this happens.

03:01:20.000 It means that they already have the control of the place.

03:01:24.000 So, where I differ from maybe, you know, I think the world has enough real problems.

03:01:29.000 We don't need to invent hypotheticals. 0.99

03:01:32.000 Yeah, what I would argue is that they're not going to pass a law mandating hijab.

03:01:37.000 What they'll do is they'll do a city campaign where they'll start spending public tax dollars to encourage hijab.

03:01:44.000 So we saw this in Dearborn, Michigan.

03:01:45.000 Did you see these?

03:01:46.000 They do the billboards where it shows two candies, and one is unwrapped, it's got flies buzzing around it, and the other is wrapped and it's sparkling. 0.83

03:01:54.000 And they started spending money putting up these billboards saying everybody should wear hijab. 0.87

03:01:58.000 The mandatory enforcement only comes after a generation when everyone's already doing it and then they can start beating you. 0.68

03:02:04.000 So, an example is I'll ask you this question.

03:02:09.000 If your wife grabbed a 40 and started walking around New York City drinking it, would you stop her from doing that?

03:02:17.000 Yeah, I guess.

03:02:18.000 Like, if you were walking with your wife and she pulled out a King Cobra and cracked it and started drinking it in public, would you tell her to stop?

03:02:18.000 That's an honest question.

03:02:24.000 Would you make her stop doing it?

03:02:26.000 Sure.

03:02:27.000 Like, public drinking is illegal, right?

03:02:28.000 Exactly.

03:02:29.000 When the public drinking law was passed, the city councilman who passed it said, Let it be said, no one will ever construe this law to mean that a worker can't enjoy a beer when they're having lunch at work.

03:02:41.000 The purpose of the law is explicitly to stop drunkards ravaging about the city.

03:02:47.000 Well, after a generation, that was erased.

03:02:50.000 All that it was is you just can't drink in public.

03:02:51.000 I don't know.

03:02:52.000 So, what used to be, you could drink a beer in public so long as you weren't disorderly, now you literally can't just drink for no reason. 0.75

03:02:59.000 So, to the argument of the hijab thing, you say, I don't think it's going to happen. 0.91

03:03:03.000 Right. 0.96

03:03:04.000 No one's ever going to come and be like, oh, and they're going to beat you to do it.

03:03:07.000 What's going to happen is it's going to become more widespread.

03:03:09.000 They're going to encourage it. 1.00

03:03:10.000 We already have these feminist groups that are saying, like, look, we're doing hijab. 1.00

03:03:13.000 Everyone should do it. 1.00

03:03:15.000 What feminist groups are saying that? 1.00

03:03:16.000 You what? 1.00

03:03:17.000 Feminist groups are saying that? 1.00

03:03:17.000 What? 1.00

03:03:18.000 Is that?

03:03:19.000 There were a bunch of videos we covered on the show over the past several years. 0.99

03:03:22.000 Remember the Burkini? 0.99

03:03:23.000 Well, that's different, but we've had like female politicians. 1.00

03:03:27.000 Who was it in Europe? 1.00

03:03:28.000 They all put on the hijab. 0.77

03:03:30.000 I don't know the name of the organization, but it was. 1.00

03:03:32.000 It was a bunch of female politicians. 1.00

03:03:32.000 No, no, no. 1.00

03:03:33.000 And like we covered the stories that happened so many times.

03:03:35.000 There was one where it was like a bunch of Scandinavian politicians all wore hijab.

03:03:35.000 Oh, yeah.

03:03:40.000 In solidarity.

03:03:42.000 It's all part of the protest of the West. 0.97

03:03:44.000 And so what happens is as you get an expansion of Islam, you're going to have natural hijab. 0.79

03:03:48.000 Then you're going to have the cultural encouragement and the social fitting in.

03:03:52.000 Once it is relatively commonplace, they're not like within the next 20 years, you're not going to see cops ticketing people for hijab. 0.73

03:03:59.000 But maybe in the next 40 years, if the trends continue the way they are, you will absolutely get to the point where they will have, oh, it's a petty offense to not wear hijab. 0.55

03:04:06.000 And then in 100 years, you're getting lashes. 0.53

03:04:09.000 But again, it's 100 years since they banned public drinking.

03:04:13.000 It's been like, what, 50 years since they banned drinking and driving?

03:04:16.000 Yeah, I was just mentioning, have you seen the video of the guy who's pissed when he realized he can't drive home with a beer anymore?

03:04:22.000 Yep.

03:04:23.000 Because it used to just be, don't cause an accident.

03:04:25.000 You can drink, it's fine.

03:04:27.000 And then they ban it.

03:04:28.000 But the public drinking was explicitly because drunkards would slosh around and spill beers and piss all over the place.

03:04:34.000 So they made a law saying no public drinking because the cultural interpretation was disorderly drinking.

03:04:40.000 But they fully expected people to be in Central Park drinking wine, which they do, even though it's illegal.

03:04:45.000 But heaven forbid, you got a 40. 1.00

03:04:48.000 With the hijab situation, I normally take the route of rather than trying to create more laws to ban a potential outcome, you just ridicule it culturally. 1.00

03:04:57.000 As ridiculous as it is, and then create a stigma culturally to prevent it from ever coming to you. 1.00

03:05:01.000 You are correct, and they're doing the inverse. 0.57

03:05:03.000 Well, that's why I'm doing the inverse of the inverse. 0.81

03:05:06.000 The goal that they have is to make it National Hijab Day, for instance. 0.92

03:05:10.000 Right. 0.70

03:05:10.000 Is the whatever they're calling it. 0.70

03:05:11.000 And then what you're going to get is you're going to get New York politicians.

03:05:13.000 First of all, the congresswomen are already in hijab.

03:05:16.000 All of them are.

03:05:16.000 Yep.

03:05:17.000 And one of them is Dominican, isn't she? 1.00

03:05:18.000 But yes. 1.00

03:05:20.000 This is the point. 1.00

03:05:21.000 Like, hijab will happen. 1.00

03:05:22.000 There is a hijab council on American Islamic relations pushing for the World Hijab Day. 1.00

03:05:28.000 It's not natural.

03:05:28.000 And they're going to say, We're not forcing you to wear hijab.

03:05:28.000 Yep.

03:05:32.000 We're saying, like, stand in solidarity with the oppressed.

03:05:34.000 That's how they start.

03:05:35.000 Even though there are 2 billion people and there's more Muslim nations than any other religion on the planet.

03:05:39.000 But the hair is so beautiful.

03:05:40.000 I understand they don't want you to lust after their women, but come on, let the hair breathe.

03:05:45.000 Unless they don't want to, then wear a hat all you like, you know? 1.00

03:05:48.000 Maybe they shouldn't wear hijab. 1.00

03:05:49.000 They should wear beanies. 1.00

03:05:50.000 Maybe. 1.00

03:05:51.000 Just every woman in New York has to wear a beanie all summer. 1.00

03:05:53.000 Scratch your scalp and let the oil glisten off the lips. 0.99

03:05:57.000 I don't know where we're going with that.

03:06:00.000 Did you go to Dearborn?

03:06:01.000 Have you ever been to Dearborn?

03:06:02.000 I've never been to Dearborn.

03:06:03.000 Man, it'll blow your mind.

03:06:04.000 I've been to Dearborn.

03:06:05.000 It's rough. 1.00

03:06:06.000 Little fucking Iran, man. 1.00

03:06:08.000 They got female genital mutilation off the wazoo with no law enforcement. 1.00

03:06:08.000 It's rough. 1.00

03:06:12.000 They got Sharia police forces. 1.00

03:06:14.000 There's religious police that drive around or unofficial, but yeah, you don't fuck around. 0.99

03:06:19.000 Community watchmen. 0.99

03:06:21.000 People don't speak English.

03:06:21.000 Yep.

03:06:24.000 I went there.

03:06:24.000 It was amazing.

03:06:25.000 Like restaurants with no English at all.

03:06:27.000 And I'm like, I couldn't even order.

03:06:28.000 I was like, okay, I can't go here.

03:06:30.000 I got like point.

03:06:30.000 All hullabaloo.

03:06:32.000 Yeah, but you can go up the road and get a Detroit style pizza.

03:06:35.000 Oh, yeah, we all love that.

03:06:36.000 For now. 0.93

03:06:37.000 I didn't even know that was a thing until I met my wife. 0.99

03:06:40.000 It's pretty fucking nuts. 0.98

03:06:41.000 What's the difference between Detroit and Chicago pizza? 0.99

03:06:44.000 Detroit is a fluffy bread in a square.

03:06:47.000 Chicago.

03:06:48.000 It's just that thick.

03:06:50.000 So the funny thing is, like, Chicago style pizza is not a real thing, it doesn't exist.

03:06:54.000 Oh.

03:06:55.000 It's just like it was made up for tourists.

03:06:57.000 Hey, look at this.

03:06:58.000 We've got a bunch of cheese.

03:06:59.000 But no Chicagoan actually eats it.

03:07:01.000 Like they do, of course, but like Pizzeria Uno's, Luminati's, and Giordano's almost always tourists.

03:07:08.000 Regular Chicagoans get what's called tavern style, which is a firm, thin crust that doesn't expand.

03:07:13.000 It's, I would like the crust of a Chicago, actual Chicago local pizza is flat and cracker like.

03:07:20.000 Square cut.

03:07:21.000 Square cut, flat and cracker like.

03:07:22.000 Same thing.

03:07:23.000 No rising dough.

03:07:24.000 Yep.

03:07:25.000 That's Chicago pizza.

03:07:26.000 And it's firm.

03:07:27.000 They don't get floppy.

03:07:28.000 When you pick it up, it stays like a square.

03:07:30.000 When we go home, I make my dad and we all go out to Carboni's, even though they can have it anytime they want.

03:07:36.000 I'm like, nope, we have to do it when we're at home just because there's none of that stuff here.

03:07:40.000 I'll add something to the caller's question.

03:07:43.000 Chicago has the.

03:07:45.000 The Christmas market.

03:07:47.000 It's like a German market, and you can get a bunch of really cool stuff.

03:07:49.000 We got like cuckoo clocks, and we got to set those things up.

03:07:52.000 We never did.

03:07:53.000 We got them in Christmas.

03:07:54.000 And used to be, you get mulled wine and like, you know, apple cider for the kids.

03:08:01.000 And they have special mugs they make every year.

03:08:03.000 And when I was a kid, you'd go there and you'd walk around and they'd have, you know, schnitzel and things. 1.00

03:08:08.000 When you go there now, it's a bunch of Asians and Indians shoulder to shoulder, and you can't do shit. 1.00

03:08:12.000 You can't get in. 1.00

03:08:13.000 It's too crowded with migrants, and they're out of the commemorative glasses, the mugs. 1.00

03:08:18.000 It's very difficult to get, and nobody wants to be there because you're literally just like this and you can't move. 1.00

03:08:23.000 And I went there and I was like, what the fuck happened to where? 1.00

03:08:28.000 Like, where did all these migrants. 0.99

03:08:29.000 Because it's not that the white people aren't there, it's that there's a fuck ton of migrants, so it's shoulder to shoulder. 0.98

03:08:33.000 You used to be able to walk around. 1.00

03:08:35.000 Now you can't walk around because of all the Indians. 1.00

03:08:37.000 No joke. 1.00

03:08:38.000 You're talking shit. 1.00

03:08:40.000 Yeah, in Chicago. 1.00

03:08:40.000 Is that a new collar? 1.00

03:08:41.000 I wasn't here.

03:08:42.000 I'd taken a picture.

03:08:42.000 Nope, same collar.

03:08:43.000 Same collar. 1.00

03:08:44.000 He's talking about hijab. 0.99

03:08:45.000 Yeah.

03:08:46.000 Well, I just went to this festival in Boonesboro, and it was. 0.92

03:08:48.000 Fucking wide open, awesome, relaxing.

03:08:51.000 So, I mean, look, if you live in cities and you want to support the city, do it, do it. 0.95

03:08:55.000 But also, there's a big world here.

03:08:57.000 I think there's an inevitability to whether it be civil war or some kind of conflict because you can't have like certain cultures are diametrically opposed to each other to the point of violence. 0.95

03:09:07.000 So, like, if you saw a guy beating his wife with a stick who was in a niqab, you'd stop him, right? 0.97

03:09:13.000 Well, the Sharia police would beat the shit out of you and arrest you for it because men are allowed to beat their women under Sharia. 0.99

03:09:13.000 Yeah, of course. 0.99

03:09:19.000 So, if you went to a Muslim Culture and then insulted the prophet, you don't have free speech. 1.00

03:09:24.000 They will chop your fucking dick off. 1.00

03:09:25.000 I sort of like rely, I'm like, please, technocracy, protect us. 1.00

03:09:29.000 Like, I'm like, I think that the spy tech will stop a civil war from occurring.

03:09:33.000 Like, Abe Lincoln, they didn't have that's why three months after they pulled up 70,000 troops, they still didn't know there was a conflict because there was no media.

03:09:42.000 The media was slow.

03:09:43.000 Now you're like, things change so rapidly that I don't think terror cells can really thrive in this environment.

03:09:49.000 The UK is going to have some kind of civil war.

03:09:52.000 With, like, you can't have rape gangs brutalizing white women specifically and then getting no jail time for it.

03:09:59.000 I was thinking about that.

03:10:01.000 That's why they're trying to shut down Tommy.

03:10:02.000 Only Army Hammer to fix the problem.

03:10:04.000 Only.

03:10:05.000 Plague Doc, you want to add anything or shout anything out?

03:10:09.000 Yeah, no, that's my only question.

03:10:11.000 Thanks for answering me.

03:10:14.000 From a Chilean, me in particular.

03:10:16.000 Thanks, Phil.

03:10:17.000 Keep those free helicopter rights going.

03:10:21.000 Have a good one, man.

03:10:23.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

03:10:24.000 Come on, man.

03:10:27.000 Man, we are so close to the 4th of July.

03:10:28.000 I can almost taste the cheeseburgers.

03:10:31.000 Let's see what we got going on tomorrow.

03:10:34.000 We've got Chase Geyser.

03:10:35.000 Love him.

03:10:36.000 Oh, and Steven Beck.

03:10:37.000 Two people.

03:10:38.000 Two peaks.

03:10:38.000 It's going to be fun.

03:10:39.000 We're going to have some fun stuff next week as well.

03:10:42.000 Oh, boy.

03:10:43.000 Guys.

03:10:44.000 Oh, Dankula's on next week.

03:10:46.000 Dank is going to be here?

03:10:47.000 Dank's going to be here.

03:10:48.000 Nope.

03:10:49.000 Yeah.

03:10:49.000 All right, everybody.

03:10:50.000 Thanks for hanging out.

03:10:50.000 We're back tomorrow morning.

03:10:51.000 We'll see y'all then.

03:10:52.000 Good luck in the.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - June 24, 2026

Mamdani's COMMIES SWEEP NYC, CIVIL WAR! | Timcast IRL

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