Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - MASS SHOOTING At Florida State, Anti Trump Rumors ERUPT, MANGIONE EFFECT w- Maggie Moda| Timcast IRL

00:01:26.000 Today in Tallahassee, Florida, just before noon, a gunman opened fire, killing two and injuring six at Florida State University.

00:01:35.000 And that has led us to the question, is this the Mangione effect?

00:01:40.000 Is the impulse to violence something that is becoming predominant on the left?

00:01:47.000 Does this have anything to do with politics at all, or is this just a young man that has decided that his life was not worth living?

00:01:55.000 So we will discuss that today.

00:02:00.000 There was a post on X by Nicholas Decker, and I'm not going to say the name of the post, but this is also related to the questions that we're asking.

00:02:12.000 And his questions are about when is it time to take the law into your own hands?

00:02:18.000 And I guess that's...

00:02:21.000 Probably the best way to say it is early in the show.

00:02:23.000 And so we'll talk about that.

00:02:26.000 From the Postmillennial, we have some information about Carmelo Anthony's press conference, I guess.

00:02:32.000 There was some drama because the father of Austin Metcalf showed up to the press conference.

00:02:39.000 And for some reason, Carmelo Anthony's parents didn't like that.

00:02:45.000 So we'll discuss that.

00:02:47.000 RFK Jr. was in D.C. today, and he was talking about autism and its effects on young people, and there are people in the media that have a problem with the way that he characterized the issue, because it's a real issue that is extremely important,

00:03:06.000 so we'll discuss that.

00:03:08.000 Donald Trump was talking with Israel about...

00:03:14.000 Strikes on Iran and he's opted to continue negotiations with Iran as opposed to doing what seems like Bibi Netanyahu wanted, which is to actually strike.

00:03:26.000 So more of the Trump is actually the guy that wants peace, no matter what people seem to think.

00:03:35.000 The U.S. is also the New York Times says the U.S. is withdrawing hundreds of troops from Syria, which begs the question.

00:03:42.000 Why are there hundreds of troops in Syria?

00:03:45.000 We're not at war with Syria.

00:03:47.000 We know that Syria has got a massive or had a massive civil war.

00:03:51.000 Now that there is a new government, I assume it's probably not friendly to the United States government, so that's probably why they're pulling them out, but we'll talk about that.

00:04:01.000 And then if we get to it, SpaceX and a few of its partners emerge as frontrunners to build part of Trump's Golden Dome project.

00:04:09.000 Talking about missiles.

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00:05:25.000 Maggie Modi, right?

00:05:27.000 Yes, I go by Maggie Moda on X and Undoctrination on YouTube, but I work for the Foundation for Economic Education.

00:05:35.000 Opinions are my own.

00:05:35.000 I am super happy to be here.

00:05:37.000 Thank you guys.

00:05:38.000 Thank you very much for coming.

00:05:39.000 Lisa, how are you?

00:05:41.000 Hi, thanks for having me.

00:05:42.000 I'm here strictly to annoy you.

00:05:44.000 Well... That's strictly what you do.

00:05:47.000 But if you guys don't know who I am, I book for Timcast, The Culture War, and I'm just here to have fun, hang out.

00:05:53.000 Sick. And we also have Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial.

00:05:56.000 I'm here.

00:05:57.000 I'm Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial.

00:05:59.000 I'm glad to be here with you guys.

00:06:01.000 All right.

00:06:02.000 So, let's get into it.

00:06:05.000 Fox News reports.

00:06:06.000 Florida State University shooting suspect.

00:06:09.000 Who is Phoenix Ichner? 0.95

00:06:12.000 The suspect who opened fire at Florida State University, FSU in Tallahassee, Florida, on Thursday, killing two and injuring six others, was identified by law enforcement officials as the 20-year-old son of a sheriff's deputy.

00:06:24.000 Leon County Sheriff Walter McNeil identified Phoenix Ickner as the shooter, saying, It's not a surprise to us that he had access to weapons.

00:06:33.000 I mean, shouldn't a sheriff's deputy know how to secure their weapons?

00:06:38.000 They continue, his mother, Jessica Ichner, is a sheriff's deputy with the Leon County Sheriff's Office.

00:06:43.000 She's been with the office for over 18 years, and McNeil said she has done a tremendous job in her position.

00:06:49.000 During the course of her career, authorities said she served as a school resource officer.

00:06:53.000 McNeil said Phoenix Ichner used his mother's handgun in the shooting at FSU.

00:06:59.000 So, apparently, this young man, or he's been...

00:07:06.000 There's questions surrounding whether or not this is a politically motivated or whether there was any politics involved in this or whether this was just another young kid that was somehow struggling with modern society, which seems to be almost the norm nowadays.

00:07:24.000 So what do you guys think?

00:07:25.000 Do you guys believe that this has got something broader than just a kid that has decided that he's had enough of the day-to-day living in the U.S.?

00:07:35.000 Yeah, I think everyone automatically jumped on this idea that he's an anti-Trump protester, that he was part of this socialist student union club.

00:07:46.000 I think the quote they're pulling from this article...

00:07:50.000 Kind of proves that he's not part of them.

00:07:53.000 If you read the line before it, it said, once the protesters reached the integration statue, Florida State University Police Department officers stood on guard and groups of onlookers began to form.

00:08:05.000 And then they bring in his quote, these people are usually pretty entertaining, usually not for good reasons.

00:08:11.000 I think it's a little too late.

00:08:13.000 He's already going to be inaugurated on January 20th.

00:08:16.000 And there's not...

00:08:18.000 And there's not really much you can do unless you outright revolt, and I don't think anyone wants that.

00:08:23.000 It seems to me that he's not an anti-Trumper.

00:08:29.000 It doesn't really seem like he has an opinion on him, really.

00:08:33.000 Libby, what do you got?

00:08:36.000 I am not sure either.

00:08:38.000 I don't know that we have necessarily a political motivation at this point.

00:08:41.000 We have seen a lot of politically motivated violence of late.

00:08:46.000 There was Luigi Mangione, obviously.

00:08:48.000 But even since then, there's been the Tesla violence.

00:08:52.000 There was this kid in Wisconsin who killed his parents as part of a plot to overthrow Trump and the government and then secretly head off to Ukraine.

00:09:02.000 And this is just some of it, you know?

00:09:04.000 Was he actually in touch with anybody?

00:09:06.000 According to the FBI documents, it looks like he was.

00:09:10.000 There was someone he was in touch with who had a Ukrainian phone number, and he was talking to this person over text about what's going to happen when he moves to Ukraine and how that's going to go down.

00:09:22.000 That's a similar situation to the attempted assassination attempt on Donald Trump earlier last year.

00:09:27.000 Right, Ryan Ruth in September at the golf course.

00:09:30.000 Yeah. He was in contact.

00:09:31.000 He also was in contact with Ukraine.

00:09:33.000 But in Ruth's case, that was a situation.

00:09:35.000 Where he had been doing fundraising and advocacy for Ukraine for a while at that point and I think had even been there.

00:09:43.000 We also saw recently a poll that came out that was...

00:09:48.000 Like, what was it, 55% of Americans think that it's reasonable to assassinate Donald Trump?

00:09:54.000 Americans? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. 0.98

00:09:56.000 55%?

00:09:57.000 Do I have this totally wrong?

00:09:58.000 I don't think it was Americans. 0.69

00:10:00.000 I think it was Democrats.

00:10:00.000 That's unbelievable.

00:10:01.000 Was it Democrats?

00:10:02.000 I think so, yeah.

00:10:04.000 I don't think Donald Trump's, like, Donald Trump's poll number, or his likability has gone down a little bit. 0.62

00:10:09.000 55% of left-leaning Americans say it's somewhat justified to kill Trump.

00:10:14.000 Yeah. Yeah. 0.97

00:10:16.000 And so what we have is a situation where for years we've had people on the left saying words are violence, which makes them think that self-defense is reasonable.

00:10:26.000 And if words are violence, then violence is violence and they can just, you know, spout off and hurt people because of that.

00:10:32.000 So you think that the narrative being spun or the phrase like phrases like that?

00:10:39.000 I just think it's part of the overall ethos, right?

00:10:45.000 If words are violence, then if you insult me, self-defense, I can, you know, take out.

00:10:50.000 I forget who the tweet...

00:10:52.000 So I saw a tweet today, and I forget who it was that actually said it, and I apologize, but it started off with the idea that on the left, they believe that violence can be used like a volume knob.

00:11:07.000 You can turn it up, and you can turn it down, so you can go from just, you know...

00:11:13.000 Getting into fistfights and brawls, up to actually firebombing Tesla dealerships, to actually murdering people.

00:11:21.000 Whereas with the right, they tend to look at violence as either totally off-limits or that's all you're doing.

00:11:28.000 It's a light switch.

00:11:29.000 Do you guys have a sense that you see those kind of...

00:11:32.000 Do you feel like people have that kind of understanding?

00:11:35.000 I think that just the left is increasingly more violent than the right, even though they try to...

00:11:40.000 Play that it's the other way around.

00:11:42.000 But even more than that, I think that there's a big problem lately with teens and violence.

00:11:47.000 Like, across America, teen violence in general is skyrocketing.

00:11:51.000 And nobody really wants to talk about it.

00:11:53.000 I'm talking from, like, you know, 12, 13, 14 up.

00:11:56.000 Are you talking about fighting?

00:11:58.000 No, murders, murders, violence in general.

00:12:01.000 Like, you look at this other kid that was...

00:12:03.000 Doing the Trump thing, this school shooter.

00:12:06.000 It's just over and over again we see that it's almost like they have no morality.

00:12:10.000 There was a clip of somebody filming this mass shooting and they filmed the body.

00:12:17.000 Do you have no sanctity for life?

00:12:20.000 It's almost like that's even more of a problem.

00:12:23.000 I saw the video that you're talking about.

00:12:27.000 I didn't have a chance to listen to it.

00:12:29.000 Was there any audio?

00:12:30.000 No, she was just... 1.00

00:12:31.000 Taking a sip of her Starbucks, walking casually.

00:12:34.000 Was she actually taking a sip?

00:12:36.000 Yes. The Starbucks cup was in the shot.

00:12:41.000 Yes, I saw the Starbucks cup.

00:12:42.000 And she walks past this woman who is either dying or is very injured.

00:12:47.000 And she just walks past.

00:12:49.000 And what's interesting is that she filmed it, right?

00:12:52.000 Most of this generation is being exposed to brutal violence.

00:12:58.000 Daily online.

00:12:59.000 And, you know, not all of this violence that's been happening, the school shootings, have been political.

00:13:05.000 Some of it has come through the true crime community.

00:13:07.000 And what's really interesting about that community is that they really venerate these school shooters and really like sanctify them.

00:13:17.000 So did Audrey Hale.

00:13:18.000 It's really creepy.

00:13:19.000 Audrey was Tennessee.

00:13:22.000 The Covenant school shooting killed three children and three staff members at a school.

00:13:27.000 And when they finally released all of these, you know, notebooks that she had in it, she was really venerating the Columbine shooters.

00:13:36.000 She really thought that they were just the bees knees.

00:13:39.000 So women, apparently women and men are coming to this through two different paths. 0.99

00:13:44.000 So girls are coming to it through, you know, like eating disorder communities. 0.99

00:13:49.000 Really? Yeah.

00:13:50.000 And then men or young boys are coming to these communities through gore.

00:13:55.000 See now, so like I'm of the generation...

00:13:58.000 You're talking about white kids, but... 0.71

00:13:59.000 Black kids are coming through drill rap and Instagram beef. 0.90

00:14:02.000 To your point about coming to it through gore, I'm of the generation when Rotten.com was still a thing. 0.51

00:14:11.000 You could go to LiveLeak and there were graphic things.

00:14:15.000 I've seen all the...

00:14:17.000 As a young guy, not as a teenager.

00:14:20.000 Because I was a teenager in the early 90s.

00:14:23.000 But when Rotten.com was a thing in the early aughts and stuff, I've seen all the chainsaws and the Mexican cartel violence and stuff like that.

00:14:32.000 I don't get the sense that my generation had more violence because of that stuff.

00:14:39.000 No, but you might have been old enough to be able to process that and recognize it as wrong.

00:14:44.000 But think about these kids that are getting...

00:14:46.000 You know, computers at 10 or 11, and that's what they're seeing.

00:14:50.000 And they're exposing themselves to that constantly on a day in and day out.

00:14:53.000 But my point is, like, you can't...

00:14:55.000 That's... The Internet's way less of the Wild West than it was back 20 years ago.

00:15:01.000 But it was harder to access, too.

00:15:02.000 My point is, nowadays, it's my understanding or my impression that the internet is actually more sanitized than it used to be.

00:15:14.000 There's a lot of murders that have happened that you can't actually find the original videos of anymore.

00:15:24.000 Yeah, I mean, you mentioned the gore thing.

00:15:28.000 Yeah. And in the FBI documents with the Wisconsin teen, this guy Nikolai Kassop, a classmate told the FBI that Kassop would send gore edit videos that included flashing gory and war images put to Russian music via Snapchat.

00:15:43.000 And then he said, you know, that he intended to kill his parents, but he was involved in this gore stuff.

00:15:48.000 But I think that certainly...

00:15:54.000 People can be conditioned to accept measures of violence.

00:15:59.000 And that can happen through, you know, a number of different ways.

00:16:02.000 Like, this is something that we've seen.

00:16:05.000 In war, soldiers will be intentionally conditioned to accept violence and extreme horror and things like that.

00:16:14.000 That's definitely true.

00:16:16.000 But for decades and decades now, we've been told that it's either heavy metal music that's causing our kids to go nuts, or it's rap music, or it's all of these different things.

00:16:29.000 And I think that there's something different going on than just this experience.

00:16:36.000 I mean, listen, it's definitely...

00:16:40.000 And there's a lack of respect for life.

00:16:43.000 There's a lack of belief in an everlasting soul.

00:16:46.000 There's a lack of a belief that you have an innate part of yourself that cannot be, that you can protect, that can't be broken.

00:16:55.000 You know, I think that kind of concept is missing and whether it's the decline of religion or the decline of any care for our neighbors.

00:17:03.000 And then just to what you were saying about the cell phones, I think people use cell phones as a shield and they think they're protected from it.

00:17:10.000 Like I remember riding the subway when I lived in New York.

00:17:12.000 I think it's absent parenting.

00:17:20.000 Yeah, but I think it's a bigger concept.

00:17:22.000 Like, a lot of these kids are killing each other over, like, disses or, like, you know, being made fun of or being insulted or those type of things.

00:17:30.000 Honor culture kind of thing?

00:17:31.000 It's not.

00:17:31.000 It's not honor culture.

00:17:32.000 That's the kind of thing that you're describing.

00:17:34.000 That's why I'm asking.

00:17:36.000 I'm asking you a question.

00:17:38.000 You don't need to roll your eyes.

00:17:39.000 Honor culture makes it seem like there's something noble about it.

00:17:43.000 There's something noble about this.

00:17:44.000 These people don't earn respect.

00:17:45.000 What happens is they don't have any self-esteem.

00:17:48.000 They don't have any self-respect.

00:17:50.000 And they don't have anybody to guide them.

00:17:52.000 And so instead of doing something productive with their lives, they take this short way to get this instant gratification.

00:17:58.000 They put it on Instagram for clicks.

00:18:00.000 And that's why I don't think it's about...

00:18:01.000 Like, drill the music.

00:18:02.000 It's just that they diss them in the music.

00:18:04.000 It's about the attention and the need to fill a void and feel special.

00:18:08.000 Feel connected to something because they're not connected to their parents.

00:18:11.000 They're not connected to their neighborhoods.

00:18:14.000 They're not connected to their school. 0.98

00:18:15.000 They're totally empty, miserable vessels.

00:18:18.000 And so they're filling it with whatever attention they can and they ratchet it up. 0.97

00:18:21.000 Like, so it would be street fighting or it would be carjacking and now it's shooting people who...

00:18:27.000 Dish you on a song on Instagram.

00:18:29.000 Like, it is a literal emptiness that they're filling because they have no self-esteem.

00:18:34.000 Nihilism, ultimately, I mean, it's very empty, but ultimately people just don't end up valuing human life.

00:18:43.000 And Taylor Lorenz was recently on Hannity, I think it was, saying that she doesn't believe in souls.

00:18:49.000 I mean, it's no wonder that she's endorsing Luigi Mangione.

00:18:54.000 Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, so Taylor Lorenz not, you know, not believing in souls is typical of either an agnostic or an atheist. 0.99

00:19:03.000 And Taylor Lorenz is, you know, I mean, fine, she can believe what she wants, but everyone knows she's kind of a moron anyway. 0.99

00:19:10.000 So I don't know that I'm convinced that it is either music. 0.91

00:19:16.000 And the reason I say that is because...

00:19:18.000 Yeah, I don't think it is either.

00:19:19.000 Because like the things that you're describing in drill rap where they'll diss each other on Instagram and stuff.

00:19:24.000 Look, you saw that.

00:19:25.000 That's the byproduct of what's happening.

00:19:26.000 You saw that stuff in the early 90s.

00:19:29.000 No, it's not like this.

00:19:30.000 This is not the same.

00:19:31.000 I swear to God.

00:19:32.000 So how is it not the same when you had, you know, you had Dr. Dre and Eazy-E and all those guys.

00:19:37.000 But it wasn't cool for 12-year-olds to go.

00:19:40.000 To try to kill their, quote, ops just because they got deaths on a song.

00:19:44.000 It is slaughtered.

00:19:45.000 I'm talking every other week.

00:19:46.000 We have a 13-year-old dying, a 16-year-old dying, a 14-year-old dying in Philly.

00:19:49.000 Like, every week.

00:19:51.000 And no one is talking about it.

00:19:53.000 And then it's spreading.

00:19:54.000 Wasn't the murder rate really high in Southern California back in the 90s?

00:19:57.000 During the COVID epidemic in 2022.

00:20:01.000 They got stimulus checks and they admitted in tons of these videos, like Brandon Buckingham and all these other people did, like, videos about what it was like in that culture.

00:20:08.000 And they, with their stimulus checks, they bought guns.

00:20:11.000 They literally bought guns.

00:20:12.000 And the killings ratcheted up by, like, 50 percent.

00:20:15.000 And it's still happening.

00:20:17.000 Even I'm going to give Larry Krasner credit here is that he's really, like, buckling down.

00:20:20.000 And we just arrested, like, I think it was, like, nine kids and they were involved in at least 16 violent homicides.

00:20:27.000 One kid had five bodies that just got shot.

00:20:29.000 I'm talking like these are kids slaughtering each other.

00:20:33.000 And it's spreading.

00:20:34.000 It's kind of like this Carmelo Anthony kid. 0.98

00:20:36.000 He felt like he got dissed and the answer was to kill somebody.

00:20:39.000 It is definitely spreading.

00:20:41.000 It's not just in the inner city.

00:20:42.000 And it's spreading from like Instagram and the music.

00:20:46.000 But it's not the music that's driving it.

00:20:47.000 It's the culture that's driving it.

00:20:49.000 Music is like a side product of it.

00:20:52.000 Like an externality.

00:20:53.000 It's bad, though.

00:20:54.000 And nobody even knows.

00:20:56.000 Like, I talk to people all the time, like, how many teenagers died in the last three months in Philly?

00:20:59.000 They have no idea.

00:21:00.000 It's the underlying beliefs about human life.

00:21:02.000 Right. And those beliefs come with those communities or certain parts of those communities now.

00:21:07.000 It's not that, like, the entire community believes that.

00:21:10.000 It's that this is how radicalization works all over the Internet.

00:21:14.000 You have a funnel, you know, that gets more and more extreme towards the bottom.

00:21:19.000 Okay. Well, the reason I ask, so you're talking about predominantly black kids. 0.53

00:21:24.000 Well, in that situation, yeah.

00:21:25.000 But isn't the black community one of the most religious communities?

00:21:30.000 They're turning Muslim, especially in the inner cities. 0.70

00:21:33.000 Are Muslim populations growing exponentially? 1.00

00:21:36.000 Through converts?

00:21:37.000 Big time.

00:21:38.000 We have one of the biggest black convert to Muslim population in all of America that they had a couple years ago.

00:21:45.000 I think it was five years ago or something.

00:21:47.000 They had kids from Philly singing things about killing infidels and stuff that was a teen thing.

00:21:52.000 And they're like, sorry we put it up.

00:21:54.000 It was an accident.

00:21:54.000 We didn't mean to.

00:21:56.000 Sorry we put it up.

00:21:57.000 Not sorry we were doing it.

00:21:58.000 Sorry we put it up.

00:21:59.000 They were like, that was an oversight.

00:22:00.000 No, it's an oversight that you got caught. 0.99

00:22:02.000 And they're over there literally singing about killing people and beheading infidels. 1.00

00:22:05.000 I'm not kidding. 0.95

00:22:08.000 It is, yeah, they're religious in that way, but these kids, they, like, quote, jump off the porch and there's no parent structure.

00:22:15.000 And some of the moms are involved. 0.77

00:22:16.000 There was this one mom, she's on Instagram, bopping her head. 1.00

00:22:19.000 Like, after the kid who shot her son got shot, she was, like, all bragging.

00:22:25.000 She's, like, I'm going to smoke a dupe. 1.00

00:22:26.000 I'm going to do a shot, like, to, like, praise his death. 0.92

00:22:29.000 Like, the parents, because they're so young and they're also no structure in their life, like, they're in on it. 0.99

00:22:34.000 It's crazy.

00:22:35.000 And it's spreading.

00:22:36.000 But it is spreading.

00:22:39.000 Libby, what do you know of this murderous culture that Lisa's describing?

00:22:46.000 You have to look into it.

00:22:47.000 I don't know much about the murderous culture that Lisa's describing.

00:22:49.000 Watch American Confidential.

00:22:51.000 I got out of cities a couple of years ago.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, you were smart.

00:22:54.000 I listened to Tim Pool.

00:22:55.000 I know.

00:22:56.000 And Jack and everybody.

00:22:57.000 But yeah.

00:22:58.000 I can't.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, no, it's weird.

00:23:01.000 But I lived in a very Muslim neighborhood in Brooklyn, in Bay Ridge, and there were protests almost every weekend right on my block against Israel and, you know, pro- Palestinian and all that stuff.

00:23:16.000 And that was way before October 2023.

00:23:18.000 And there was a very large Muslim population there.

00:23:22.000 In fact, that is where Linda Sarsour is from, you know, who led the Women's March until she was kicked out for being anti-Semitic.

00:23:29.000 And it's also where the bin Laden family used to hang out before 9-11.

00:23:36.000 So it's a long-standing Islamic neighborhood.

00:23:40.000 But I haven't looked too much into...

00:23:43.000 The contemporary stuff.

00:23:44.000 One of my high school classmates, though, did convert to Islam, which I discovered at a class reunion years later.

00:23:50.000 They have this thing where you'll see them come out of prison and whoever has the darkest mark on their head shows their most loyalty to Islam. 0.85

00:23:58.000 It's a thing.

00:23:59.000 Wow. On that note, so...

00:24:05.000 We're going to go to something that we were talking about, you know, whether or not this is the Mangione effect.

00:24:11.000 And so we're going to jump to this story from Fox News.

00:24:15.000 Accused CEO assassin Luigi Mangione indicted on federal charges.

00:24:18.000 So this, I'm not sure what the charges would be in New York State, but I don't think New York State has the death penalty.

00:24:26.000 But this...

00:24:28.000 I believe it's on hold.

00:24:29.000 Oh, New York State is on hold?

00:24:31.000 Yeah, I believe it's been on hold for a long time, but...

00:24:34.000 They used to have it, I'm pretty sure.

00:24:36.000 I don't know that it's been totally outlawed.

00:24:38.000 Okay, so we have...

00:24:40.000 Oh, this is actually...

00:24:42.000 You've got to join Fox News.

00:24:43.000 Do you have a key to get in here?

00:24:47.000 Let's see.

00:24:51.000 Who subscribes to Fox News?

00:24:53.000 I thought that we did.

00:24:54.000 No. Yuck.

00:25:00.000 you.

00:25:00.000 Wait, so why are they charging him with federal charges?

00:25:03.000 I think it's so that way they can give him the death penalty. 0.90

00:25:07.000 Hopefully. So, let's see. 0.93

00:25:10.000 From the AP...

00:25:13.000 Federal prosecutors seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione and UnitedHealthcare CEO killing.

00:25:18.000 New York U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said Tuesday that she has directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, following through on the president's campaign promise to vigorously pursue capital punishment.

00:25:35.000 It is the first time the Justice Department has sought to bring the death penalty since President Donald Trump returned to office in January with a vow to resume federal executions after they were halted under the previous administration.

00:25:47.000 Luigi Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson, an innocent man and father of two young children, was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination that shocked America, Bondi said in a statement.

00:25:57.000 She described Thompson's killing as an act of political violence.

00:26:00.000 Mangione, a 26-year-old Ivy League graduate from a prominent Maryland real estate family, faces separate federal and state murder charges after authorities say he gunned down Thompson, 50, outside a Manhattan hotel on December 4th as the executive arrived for UnitedHealthcare's annual investment.

00:26:16.000 I used to feel that way, but now...

00:26:32.000 Maggie is against the death penalty as a L word. 1.00

00:26:35.000 I'm not going to say it.

00:26:36.000 But do you have thoughts on this development here?

00:26:41.000 From a principled position, I'm against the death penalty.

00:26:44.000 But also for Luigi Mangione, I think it's a horrible idea to turn him into a martyr.

00:26:49.000 His approval rating. 0.56

00:26:50.000 By the time he gets killed, though, he won't be martyr status by that. 0.85

00:26:54.000 I don't know.

00:26:55.000 After all the appeals processes and stuff.

00:26:57.000 I think it's going to keep ratcheting up, especially if they actually go through with it.

00:27:03.000 Shocking and disturbing how many people my age are all in on Luigi, but they are.

00:27:11.000 He's like the new Mumia Abu-Jamal or Leonard Peltier.

00:27:16.000 But there are these guys who end up committing federal crimes, who commit federal crimes and then are just lionized by the left, like Mumia or Peltier, who was a killer also.

00:27:30.000 But I think also...

00:27:32.000 Biden put a freeze on the death penalty.

00:27:35.000 And Trump said, nah, we're done with that freeze.

00:27:38.000 I'm entirely 100% thoroughly opposed to capital punishment.

00:27:41.000 Am I the only one that's not?

00:27:43.000 Because I'm a Christian.

00:27:44.000 I used to think that, okay, fine, we can't.

00:27:47.000 We've got to be consistent.

00:27:48.000 No abortions.

00:27:49.000 We have to care about life.

00:27:50.000 But no.

00:27:51.000 Mm-mm.

00:27:52.000 Now I'm like, I don't care if we get occasionally one wrong.

00:27:55.000 These people have to go, and I'm tired of absolute derelicts being in our society.

00:28:00.000 Not only am I tired of them being there, I'm tired of paying for them to, like, go to the gym and work out and have internet access.

00:28:06.000 No. No, you have to go.

00:28:07.000 I mean, if you look into it, all of the appeals and all of the cost that goes into actually killing someone. 0.85

00:28:15.000 That's why we should do it right away.

00:28:17.000 I think that's a terrible idea.

00:28:19.000 I think absolutely we should not be taking people's lives.

00:28:21.000 I think the government should not be taking people's lives.

00:28:23.000 I used to feel that way because I wanted to be consistent.

00:28:27.000 Oh, it's not about consistent.

00:28:28.000 If somebody did something heinous to my child and they didn't do that.

00:28:32.000 But that's why victims aren't in charge of penalties and punishments.

00:28:36.000 Put yourself in every parent's shoes.

00:28:37.000 That's why we need law. 0.95

00:28:39.000 It's not about being in parents' shoes.

00:28:40.000 That's why we need law. 0.95

00:28:42.000 That's justice.

00:28:43.000 That is justice. 0.93

00:28:44.000 Get rid of them. 1.00

00:28:45.000 Put these pedophiles... 1.00

00:28:46.000 I don't think vengeance is justice. 0.95

00:28:47.000 I can't say it on here.

00:28:49.000 Please don't say it on here.

00:28:51.000 You know.

00:28:53.000 So, I actually...

00:28:55.000 I mean, generally I'm against the death penalty not because there are not people that deserve it, but because I don't trust the government.

00:29:05.000 And they get things wrong.

00:29:06.000 I don't trust them to do my taxes.

00:29:08.000 I hate that. 0.60

00:29:09.000 I'll do my taxes and then they'll be like, you screwed up. 0.95

00:29:11.000 And it's like, no, you screwed up.

00:29:13.000 There's a shocking percentage of people on death row that end up getting exonerated.

00:29:18.000 But that was because they've been sitting there for 30 years before they had DNA evidence and things like that.

00:29:23.000 It is more likely that nowadays they're going to get it right.

00:29:28.000 Because of things like DNA evidence and because of cameras everywhere and stuff.

00:29:35.000 So again, I'm not against it in principle as in like, oh, Libby, you mentioned your religious faith is why.

00:29:43.000 And I don't have any problem like that.

00:29:47.000 It's just that I don't think the government is good at things and stuff.

00:29:51.000 So generally, I kind of think that it might be a bad idea.

00:29:57.000 You know, I do understand what you're saying about making a martyr out of him.

00:30:02.000 Is that a good reason to not do things, though?

00:30:07.000 Put him in jail forever?

00:30:09.000 Is he less of a martyr because of that?

00:30:11.000 They already lionize him. 0.98

00:30:12.000 They already have the candles, the Luigi Mangione candles, because they're absolute psychopaths. 0.98

00:30:20.000 I mean, it's vile. 0.97

00:30:22.000 It's disrespectful, first of all, to the Catholic faith. 0.79

00:30:24.000 The finger goes up and everything.

00:30:26.000 It's so disrespectful.

00:30:27.000 Put the candles away.

00:30:28.000 I hate when they do that.

00:30:29.000 They do that for every liberal politician, too.

00:30:31.000 Have you ever been to one of those bookstores and you see the wall?

00:30:35.000 Because they hate God.

00:30:35.000 Because they're mocking God.

00:30:37.000 Disgusting. But. 1.00

00:30:38.000 Anyways. Yeah.

00:30:39.000 I should go too.

00:30:40.000 I think it's fair to say that, you know, they're already saying I'm crazy in the chat and I'm drunk.

00:30:46.000 I'm like, no, this is just me.

00:30:47.000 No, she's not had a drop.

00:30:49.000 Yeah, like that's just me.

00:30:50.000 That is her.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, for principled reasons, I'm against the death penalty.

00:30:55.000 But also, even in this case, even though we know that he's probably allegedly guilty.

00:31:02.000 I think it's a horrible idea. 0.95

00:31:03.000 You're just gonna go and shoot somebody in the back and then you just get to kind of like chill in prison. 0.97

00:31:08.000 Yeah, he's gonna collect those love letters for the rest of his life. 0.99

00:31:11.000 And feel great about himself.

00:31:14.000 Hopefully God sorts him out, you know?

00:31:16.000 God can sort him out at judgment time at the pearly gates.

00:31:19.000 Yeah. Phil, why are you laughing at me?

00:31:22.000 Why do you think I'm laughing at you?

00:31:24.000 I don't know why that's such a crazy position.

00:31:27.000 I think that these people deserve...

00:31:29.000 You have to be removed from society.

00:31:32.000 No, no, I totally understand.

00:31:34.000 And I agree with you.

00:31:35.000 I think they should be put in jail.

00:31:36.000 I definitely think they should be put in jail forever.

00:31:38.000 And that's what we do with people generally.

00:31:41.000 Putting people in jail, we take young, violent men, young men that tend to be too violent to be in society, and we put them in jail until they're not...

00:31:50.000 Young and violent.

00:31:51.000 And jail is pretty bad.

00:31:52.000 What do you guys think of this proposition of sending American citizen criminals to El Salvador in prisons?

00:31:59.000 I'm not into that.

00:32:00.000 I'm totally opposed.

00:32:01.000 I also don't think that that's what his plan is.

00:32:05.000 It's part of a scaring deterrent factor.

00:32:07.000 And everybody keeps saying things when it comes to Trump about like, oh, is he really going to do this or that?

00:32:12.000 Or I forget what it was the other day.

00:32:14.000 I think it was Poso put up a thing like, should we go to a war with Iran?

00:32:18.000 Like, no, clearly we shouldn't, but we shouldn't tell the whole world we don't support him in doing that.

00:32:23.000 He has to have it as leverage, right?

00:32:24.000 And so if he's going to scare the crap out of everybody and say, get your act together, and if you hit somebody over the head with a baseball bat, we might send you to the gulag, then let them think that, and let's, like, have some deterrent mechanism there.

00:32:39.000 You don't have to actually send them. 0.51

00:32:41.000 I don't have a problem.

00:32:42.000 I don't like the idea of sending them to El Salvador.

00:32:47.000 I don't have a problem with Gitmo.

00:32:49.000 Genuinely, I don't have a problem with Guantanamo Bay.

00:32:53.000 And I also don't have a problem with building another Supermax like the one they got in Colorado.

00:32:59.000 Turn a mountain into a prison.

00:33:02.000 Dig a hole in it and stuff them under the mountain.

00:33:05.000 I'm fine with that.

00:33:07.000 You know, because there are people that can't be in society the way that the rest of us can.

00:33:13.000 They're just too violent or they're not able, you know, they can't function in society and they decide, you know, of their own volition to behave in ways that are just unacceptable.

00:33:23.000 And so you can't be in society, you can't be in society.

00:33:26.000 It's not a problem for me.

00:33:28.000 Did you ever read The Penal Colony?

00:33:30.000 You know, that Kafka story?

00:33:31.000 No. So the penal colony, the idea is that everybody gets, every bad guy gets sent to the penal colony, and then they're put basically on a spit, right?

00:33:41.000 They're like suspended, and their crime is tattooed on their body as they are slowly turned on the spit.

00:33:48.000 Fascinating. Yeah, it's disgusting. 0.98

00:33:50.000 It's an execution device, really, but like you're tattooed to death with your crime to death. 0.99

00:33:55.000 Death by tattoo. 0.99

00:33:56.000 Death by... 0.97

00:33:57.000 Yeah, tattooing the penal colony.

00:33:59.000 I think if we brought back a little more drastic punishments with a little more...

00:34:05.000 I see.

00:34:07.000 When you came in today, you're like, I don't have anything to say.

00:34:10.000 I don't really have a pitch.

00:34:11.000 I'm like, BS, you're going to be all over the mic tonight.

00:34:14.000 I just think that if you have a little more drastic punishments and a little bit more...

00:34:20.000 It's done expediently.

00:34:23.000 I think that there...

00:34:25.000 The reason that it's not like Capital Publishment isn't a deterrent is because you don't see the result of it soon with all the appeals and things like that.

00:34:33.000 I think it would be more of a deterrent.

00:34:35.000 Like, look at Singapore.

00:34:36.000 We're trapping off hands, right?

00:34:37.000 For chewing gum.

00:34:38.000 Right. Okay, cool.

00:34:40.000 But there are places clean and there's not as many, you know.

00:34:48.000 But there's no freedom of speech.

00:34:50.000 I mean, the risk of freedom is that you give up your safety.

00:34:54.000 Speech is different than committing crime.

00:34:57.000 But it's all of it.

00:34:58.000 I remember this talk I heard with Camille Paglia, and she was talking about how when she was in college, she was at a women's college.

00:35:04.000 I think she was at Ratcliffe, right?

00:35:06.000 Because she's a super genius. 0.68

00:35:07.000 So she was at Ratcliffe, and the women's dorms had curfews, and they had to be back in the dorm by some early time, and the boys could stay out all night.

00:35:16.000 So the women were pissed, and they were like, hey, that's not fair. 1.00

00:35:19.000 And the school was like, well, we're just doing this for your protection.

00:35:23.000 And she said, I have the right to...

00:35:25.000 Go out and have something terrible happen to me because I would rather have my freedom than your protection and limits on my freedom.

00:35:35.000 And that's what America is, right?

00:35:37.000 We have our freedoms.

00:35:38.000 I don't feel that way.

00:35:39.000 I think that men and women are wildly different and that women should be treated differently and women should have more restrictions on them than men. 0.99

00:35:46.000 My daughter's not allowed to go to college. 0.73

00:35:48.000 Your daughter's not allowed to go to college? 0.98

00:35:49.000 I'm not encouraging her to go to college.

00:35:51.000 No. Why?

00:35:51.000 So I can spend $200,000 to let her go get drunk and be a pegboard?

00:35:56.000 No. She's not going.

00:35:57.000 That's not the only way to do college.

00:35:58.000 I think any woman you raise will know better. 0.86

00:36:01.000 She better.

00:36:02.000 She's got a strong mama. 1.00

00:36:03.000 I definitely think that women should be a little... 1.00

00:36:06.000 Here I am talking, right?

00:36:07.000 But whatever.

00:36:09.000 That's kind of how my life fell into things.

00:36:11.000 But I really do think that women do need a little protection. 0.99

00:36:13.000 And we should kind of, you know...

00:36:18.000 We should put those boundaries in place a little bit more than we have now because look at what it's gotten us. 0.99

00:36:24.000 Women are a disgusting mess. 1.00

00:36:26.000 There's parents being strict and then there's women not having equality under the law and those are two very different things. 0.99

00:36:31.000 I don't know if I like total equality under the law.

00:36:33.000 And I think women should have freedom but we should also understand what the risks are and be really realistic.

00:36:40.000 Our boys have freedom.

00:36:41.000 They know what the risks are and some of them go up and kill people.

00:36:45.000 Society doesn't want that. 0.53

00:36:47.000 You can't deny the fact that society has said that women are going to be enfranchised, they're going to have the ultimate liberty that men have, but at the same time, they want special treatment. 0.89

00:36:59.000 I don't see a lot of special treatment.

00:37:02.000 He's right.

00:37:03.000 Well, first of all, things like the draft and stuff like that.

00:37:08.000 They're not capable of serving in the military the way that men are, right? 0.97

00:37:14.000 And they're a distraction.

00:37:15.000 My son's friend, who's a girl, they have a whole group chat.

00:37:20.000 And she was pissed today when she found out that she would not be permitted to register for the draft.

00:37:25.000 She was very angry about it.

00:37:27.000 Really? More power to this girl.

00:37:30.000 There's so many covert...

00:37:32.000 My mom's...

00:37:32.000 I love you, mom.

00:37:33.000 But, like, even, like, there's certain things, like, you know, have your own bank account.

00:37:36.000 Do this.

00:37:37.000 You can be in a draft.

00:37:38.000 You can, like, no.

00:37:40.000 No, you're women. 1.00

00:37:41.000 Go have babies. 0.85

00:37:42.000 Go do what God wanted you to do.

00:37:43.000 Go take care of it.

00:37:45.000 Nurture people.

00:37:46.000 But that's not for everybody.

00:37:47.000 I mean, it doesn't have to be for everybody.

00:37:48.000 It's not for everybody.

00:37:49.000 It used to be for the majority of women until feminism poisoned everybody's brains and then everybody feels like they have to work. 1.00

00:38:01.000 So feminism has sold society a lie that you can be a CEO and you can be a mom of four and you can do them both equally and you can do them both at the same time. 1.00

00:38:14.000 But you can work and have kids.

00:38:15.000 One thing I wish we would do is...

00:38:18.000 Teach women how to find careers where you can do both. 0.99

00:38:21.000 What I do for work, I can totally do.

00:38:24.000 They want to be Iron Man as well as...

00:38:27.000 I don't want to be Iron Man.

00:38:29.000 I chose my path.

00:38:31.000 I chose not to be the CEO girl boss. 0.88

00:38:34.000 And a lot of women are finding out that's not for them. 0.99

00:38:36.000 Also, I think a lot of women underestimate how fulfilling work can be when you're choosing. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Your path and it fits into your life.

00:38:48.000 But look at this.

00:38:49.000 We were just talking about teens and kids and everybody's a little more violent.

00:38:52.000 People are detached.

00:38:53.000 They're on their cell phones.

00:38:54.000 Like all these things.

00:38:56.000 What is the result of that?

00:38:57.000 Right? Like what does that come from?

00:38:59.000 That comes from people thinking they can do it all and not focusing on their children and the things that are important.

00:39:06.000 All right.

00:39:06.000 So listen, we're going to wrap this and we're going to jump to this story here.

00:39:12.000 Nicholas Decker.

00:39:13.000 Is a student.

00:39:16.000 I'm not sure where he's at, but he posted this on Twitter earlier today, and it's...

00:39:21.000 Got a boatload of views.

00:39:23.000 It's at 5.1 million views.

00:39:25.000 And all of my friends were sharing this and basically dunking on the guy because, well, I mean, look at him.

00:39:31.000 But his tweet says, And he wrote a whole big old...

00:39:46.000 piece on Substack about when, apparently when he believes violence is acceptable.

00:39:53.000 And of course, it's from a left-leaning perspective.

00:39:57.000 This speaks to the point that Libby brought up earlier, that 55% of Democrats believe that violence is acceptable.

00:40:12.000 To some degree. 0.97

00:40:14.000 And I think that they probably only say to some degree because most people are a little apprehensive about saying, yeah, let's go cut their heads off. 0.88

00:40:23.000 You know, like nobody wants to come out and say that. 0.79

00:40:25.000 They do say it though.

00:40:26.000 I was just filming on the street in Philly with James.

00:40:28.000 Real quick.

00:40:28.000 This is great.

00:40:29.000 Yeah, nothing to say, right?

00:40:29.000 I know, I know.

00:40:31.000 I was right!

00:40:32.000 We were literally filming on the street and we were asking people if they're okay with the Tesla violence and everything like that.

00:40:37.000 And the man goes, he goes, you know, sometimes that's what you have to do.

00:40:40.000 Look at the French Revolution.

00:40:41.000 He was like, they...

00:40:42.000 We're using the guillotine, right?

00:40:43.000 And so James asks him, he goes, so do you think we should, you know, is it okay if we do the guillotine to Elon Musk?

00:40:50.000 And the guy was like, yeah.

00:40:52.000 And then a sentence later, he's like, I have like totally centrist, moderate views.

00:40:56.000 Like he literally said that they don't even realize.

00:41:01.000 How insane they are.

00:41:02.000 None of them realize that.

00:41:03.000 This is why people really should actually watch the videos from the Mexican cartels.

00:41:10.000 Because that's what they're talking about.

00:41:13.000 That's what you get.

00:41:15.000 Like I said earlier, the left seems to think that there is a volume knob on violence.

00:41:24.000 That's not how it works.

00:41:25.000 You don't get to say, oh, okay, it's a little too rich for me now, so I'm going to turn it down.

00:41:29.000 And there's a phrase when it comes to the military and in war that you hear all the time.

00:41:34.000 The bad guy gets a vote too.

00:41:36.000 Once you open that box, right?

00:41:40.000 Once both sides have said, okay, this is the course of action that we're taking, you don't get to say, oh, wait a minute, that's too much.

00:41:48.000 And for too many, like too many people don't understand that it's not Lexington and Concord.

00:41:54.000 It's not...

00:41:55.000 It's not gonna be, you know, redcoats versus the bluecoats.

00:41:58.000 It's not gonna be like that.

00:42:00.000 What it'll end up being is cartel violence.

00:42:03.000 It'll be like the mob violence.

00:42:05.000 It won't be anything pretty. 0.97

00:42:06.000 So these kind of things, in my opinion, they're just totally, totally ridiculous to even entertain. 0.76

00:42:13.000 Like, you should not be talking about this stuff.

00:42:16.000 But, again, we live in a world where there were two, you know, attempts on the...

00:42:23.000 What's it called?

00:42:24.000 And the Democrats have changed zero.

00:42:26.000 There are multiple very big accounts on X that I can think of that are constantly saying Trump's a Nazi, constantly making the comparisons to Germany in the 30s, and it does not stop. 0.63

00:42:43.000 Keith Olbermann, Rachel Beitkofer, there's a bunch of people that are consistently making the same kind of allegations, and when you hear that over and over, you get ridiculous stuff like this.

00:42:53.000 I'm going to read the first paragraph here.

00:42:54.000 Evil has come to America.

00:42:57.000 The present administration is engaged in barbarism.

00:43:00.000 It has arbitrarily imprisoned its opponent.

00:43:03.000 That's just not true.

00:43:04.000 There are no political opponents that are imprisoned.

00:43:06.000 Well, they're visas.

00:43:10.000 I mean, that's not all that big of a deal.

00:43:14.000 What? That's what they do.

00:43:17.000 It's totally detached from reality and seeks to destroy the institutions which oppose it.

00:43:22.000 Its leader has threatened those who produce unfavorable coverage and suggested that their licenses be revoked.

00:43:28.000 It has deprived us in many cases of trial by jury.

00:43:31.000 That's just not true.

00:43:32.000 It has subjected us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and has transported us beyond seas to be imprisoned for protection.

00:43:40.000 That's not true either.

00:43:42.000 He's talking about the Maryland man.

00:43:44.000 We have a media that encourages this, that continues to feed this narrative.

00:43:50.000 The Media Research Center did a study of the...

00:43:54.000 Coverage of Garcia versus the coverage of Rachel Morin.

00:43:57.000 And there was like 100% more coverage of Garcia than Rachel Morin because what the media enterprises want to do is set this up as an example as to why there should be no deportations. 0.99

00:44:11.000 And what I think is really important to realize is that the administration that came before Trump encouraged all of this illegal immigration.

00:44:21.000 With absolutely no intention of sending anybody home ever at any time for any reason.

00:44:28.000 Surge the border.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, so that was the whole point.

00:44:31.000 And so now when you have people like this doofus who are saying political opponents are being imprisoned and what he's talking about are criminals who are being told finally to leave.

00:44:44.000 And judges who are coming out and saying, oh, you can't just...

00:44:49.000 Terminate temporary protective status for half a million people.

00:44:52.000 You can't just deport people without due process.

00:44:55.000 We have 10 million extra people in this country, right?

00:44:57.000 That came in under Biden.

00:44:58.000 More than that, but go ahead.

00:44:59.000 But let's just go with 10 million, right?

00:45:02.000 Because... Still wild.

00:45:03.000 It's still wild.

00:45:05.000 But just under Biden, who came in, because it was like...

00:45:08.000 Over $2 million a year by the official count, by the Biden administration's own count.

00:45:14.000 So, you know, already it's going to be way more.

00:45:17.000 But you have all of these people come in.

00:45:20.000 How long would it take to give due process to 10 million people?

00:45:25.000 It would take centuries, like literal centuries.

00:45:28.000 And so when you had the Biden administration trying to push that bill through Congress, what was it, last June, saying that we needed more judges, more immigration judges, they wanted more judges so they could get more people in.

00:45:39.000 And at the same time as they were doing that, they were cutting off cases.

00:45:43.000 They were saying, OK.

00:45:44.000 Don't even bother contacting these people about their court date.

00:45:47.000 Just get rid of these court dates.

00:45:48.000 They were implementing a semi-legal status system for people that they wanted in the country to do the labor to support the laptop class.

00:45:58.000 Yeah, I have some concerns about due process specifically as it pertains to sending people to Seacoat.

00:46:05.000 This is where I turn into Darth Vader.

00:46:07.000 I don't have any concerns.

00:46:09.000 If you're not a citizen, I do think that...

00:46:14.000 I also have concerns with the fact that we have a ton of people that are here illegally and our immigration courts are totally backed up. 1.00

00:46:23.000 My genuine wish, sincerest wish, is that there is a way to speed up that process for deportations.

00:46:31.000 However, sending people to El Salvador to this prison that's not really run by us.

00:46:40.000 I'm completely fine with sending people from El Salvador back to El Salvador. 1.00

00:46:46.000 And what happens to them when they're in El Salvador is not my problem.

00:46:52.000 But if we're funding it, does it become our problem?

00:46:54.000 No, because we're getting them out of here.

00:46:56.000 This is, and I've said this multiple times on the show, this is a creation of the Democrats and Joe Biden.

00:47:04.000 It was intentional on their part.

00:47:06.000 They used the Health and Human Services...

00:47:10.000 To move these people around the country in an effort to affect the census and affect congressional representation.

00:47:18.000 They wanted, they had people come in and they wanted to use these asylum seekers, which were illegal asylum seekers because they didn't go to port of entrance.

00:47:28.000 They were coming over wherever they could get over.

00:47:31.000 And as soon as they ran into a Border Patrol agent, they said they were seeking asylum.

00:47:34.000 That's illegal.

00:47:35.000 That means they go right back.

00:47:38.000 This was a plan by the Democrat Party in an effort to install the Democrat Party as a permanent one-party system in the United States that disenfranchises millions of Americans, takes away all of their political power.

00:47:53.000 These people deserve far worse than they're going to get, but the people that are here, and I'm talking about the politicians and the NGOs and the people in the administration, We've facilitated this.

00:48:06.000 But the people that have been brought here, that have been helped by NGOs to come up over the Darien Gap through Mexico, all of those people need to go. 1.00

00:48:15.000 Every single one that we can get rid of.

00:48:19.000 And if there are mistakes made, those people that were in error can petition the government from somewhere else.

00:48:26.000 This is not something that the American people should be punished with.

00:48:31.000 Because again, this is taking away political power from Americans born in America.

00:48:37.000 It's taking that power away using their own money to do it by the elected officials. 0.92

00:48:44.000 This is not just a dereliction of duty.

00:48:49.000 It is...

00:48:50.000 Absolutely counter to the best interests of the American people.

00:48:53.000 And I don't think that it counts as treason.

00:48:55.000 I'm not sure what the exact term would be.

00:48:59.000 But using the money of the American people in an effort to dilute the political power of the American people is abhorrent to anything.

00:49:09.000 That any American would agree with.

00:49:11.000 The people that are here illegally need to go, and I don't care about due process. 1.00

00:49:16.000 Send them home.

00:49:18.000 It's not just that, either.

00:49:19.000 I mean, it's not just the political power, which I assume you're talking about congressional districts, right?

00:49:24.000 Yes, they're looking to redistrict, and they're also looking to turn purple states blue.

00:49:28.000 It's hugely problematic.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a big problem, too.

00:49:32.000 But there's a lot of other issues as well, because Chuck Schumer said outright that America needs illegal immigrants.

00:49:40.000 He said that in September of 2024.

00:49:43.000 He said that in a press conference.

00:49:45.000 It's not a conspiracy theory.

00:49:46.000 This is what Chuck Schumer said, Democrat senator from New York.

00:49:50.000 You had AOC out there.

00:49:52.000 The browning of America, the phrases, the thing. 0.96

00:49:54.000 And then if you were a white person that said, oh, they're trying to replace us, you're a racist, they hit you with all of the slurings. 0.90

00:50:02.000 And you're like demonetized on YouTube. 0.92

00:50:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:04.000 When they would say the exact same thing.

00:50:08.000 If they like it and they say it, it's okay.

00:50:11.000 And if you don't like it and you say it, then you're the problem.

00:50:14.000 You also had Jasmine Crockett out there saying that we need illegal immigrants to do all of these menial jobs. 1.00

00:50:20.000 She said, and I quote, we done picking cotton.

00:50:22.000 I was just like, what?

00:50:24.000 We want to create a second class of citizens in America. 1.00

00:50:28.000 I don't know whether to love or hate that woman.

00:50:30.000 With dodgy legal status who have to do these jobs.

00:50:33.000 And you also had, lest anyone forget, you had Barack Obama out there when he was doing his campaign for president, and he was quoting Cesar Chavez.

00:50:41.000 Does everyone remember this?

00:50:42.000 Cesar Chavez?

00:50:43.000 Remember Cesar Chavez?

00:50:44.000 Cesar Chavez is a California labor organizer.

00:50:48.000 He went out there into the...

00:50:50.000 And what would happen is they were picking strawberries in the valleys.

00:50:57.000 The farmers would put pesticides out and herbicides out to, like, you know, protect the strawberries. 0.95

00:51:02.000 All of those pesticides would roll down into the valley.

00:51:05.000 The Mexicans would be picking it. 1.00

00:51:06.000 They'd get sick. 0.97

00:51:08.000 Not great.

00:51:09.000 Like, that's not good, right?

00:51:10.000 So Cesar Chavez goes out there and he says, you know, we need union.

00:51:14.000 We need to organize.

00:51:15.000 We need to become a union.

00:51:16.000 We need to fight for the rights of workers so that they can go out and pick strawberries without getting sick.

00:51:21.000 Okay, cool.

00:51:22.000 Totally on board.

00:51:23.000 Pro-union.

00:51:24.000 Whatever. Chavez.

00:51:26.000 Was entirely 100% opposed to illegal immigration.

00:51:30.000 Why? Because it undercut American wages. 0.99

00:51:33.000 It undercut the wages of the people that he was organizing.

00:51:36.000 And these people came in and were used as strikebusters, you know, and then they would come in and take the work.

00:51:43.000 They get thrown to the wolves, for sure, because they can't advocate for themselves.

00:51:47.000 Right. And they have no legal standing.

00:51:48.000 So you have Democrats simultaneously sucking the teat of labor and gobbling up all of their money and undercutting labor and going against labor.

00:52:00.000 It's no surprise that when we had the April 5th hands-off rally and we had all the labor leaders out there talking, it's no surprise that every single one of those labor leaders were leaders of government unions.

00:52:12.000 These were government workers that they are representing.

00:52:14.000 They're not representing actual labor.

00:52:16.000 The UAW wasn't out there.

00:52:17.000 The Teamsters, who also represent like what a huge swath of hospitality, I think they weren't out there.

00:52:23.000 You know, that's not like the Democrats are feeding us lines about Cisse Puede and about I think a big portion of it is they believe that they're doing the right thing.

00:52:45.000 It's a moral thing because they have no God other than themselves.

00:52:48.000 And so if they think they're doing good, then they believe they're good people.

00:52:52.000 And that's enough.

00:52:52.000 I mean, these are people who do yoga and think that makes you a good person.

00:52:56.000 Like, that is ludicrous. 0.92

00:52:58.000 That's just out of control.

00:52:59.000 It just makes you flexible.

00:53:01.000 It's actually just demonic in general.

00:53:03.000 Maybe. It's not even good.

00:53:04.000 Like, it doesn't make you a good person.

00:53:06.000 Like, being vegan doesn't make you a good person.

00:53:08.000 Neither does, like, doing a nice bike ride.

00:53:11.000 That doesn't make you good.

00:53:12.000 No, it doesn't.

00:53:12.000 It just, you know, it makes you, like, I don't know, oxygenated.

00:53:16.000 Going back to due process for a second.

00:53:18.000 He's from El Salvador.

00:53:20.000 He comes here illegally. 0.99

00:53:21.000 Forget whatever he did.

00:53:23.000 If El Salvador wanted to extradite him back and we had an extradite thing, we could do that.

00:53:27.000 He doesn't need to hear a court.

00:53:29.000 They clearly want to keep him.

00:53:31.000 They clearly want to keep him.

00:53:32.000 So why, if it's their citizen and they want him there, why do we need to go through this whole rigmarole to...

00:53:41.000 Send him back when he doesn't belong here and his government wants him there.

00:53:45.000 What's interesting, too, is when they talk about the administrative error, right?

00:53:48.000 They were talking about, oh, he was sent back by mistake.

00:53:50.000 What they mean by sent back by mistake is that he was sent to El Salvador because in the original, I think it was the 2019 protective order, it said that he could get sent somewhere, but he shouldn't go to El Salvador because his mother was being extradited at her, you know, not extradited.

00:54:05.000 But those gangs are gone, right?

00:54:06.000 Yeah. Gangs are gone.

00:54:09.000 They're in the prison.

00:54:11.000 They sent him to the same place that the gangs are.

00:54:16.000 You've seen that prison.

00:54:17.000 You've seen inside of there.

00:54:19.000 Nick Shirley did a great expose on it.

00:54:21.000 Nobody's fighting in there.

00:54:22.000 Nobody's going to kill him in there.

00:54:23.000 It is so regimented in there.

00:54:26.000 And there are no gangs to...

00:54:29.000 Hurt him.

00:54:29.000 They are all under so much control there.

00:54:32.000 Have you seen the videos?

00:54:33.000 I've seen pictures.

00:54:33.000 I haven't seen videos.

00:54:34.000 Oh, no.

00:54:34.000 Go watch Nick Shirley's YouTube on it.

00:54:36.000 Nothing's going to happen to him in there.

00:54:38.000 So I want to get back to the violence here in the U.S. And there's one thing that I saw in this kid's essay.

00:54:46.000 It says, if these actions become normal, the government could arrest anyone and deport them to a prison in a foreign land without hope of redress for no reason.

00:54:54.000 It's not true.

00:54:55.000 So first of all, legally, You're correct.

00:54:59.000 It's not true legally.

00:55:01.000 But honestly, everyone knows that if the government wants to do those things, they're going to do that.

00:55:08.000 They have a monopoly on force.

00:55:10.000 Yeah, they have a monopoly on violence.

00:55:11.000 We hope that we have the ability to use lawyers and the law and courts to prevent, not to prevent that, but to get us out of that situation.

00:55:21.000 But if they want you, the government is just going to come take you. 0.59

00:55:26.000 And you can, you can, the evidence of that is the, the raids of people's homes over all kinds of different things.

00:55:34.000 The fact that the government complains,

00:55:35.000 constantly violates the Fourth Amendment when it comes to civil asset fortitude.

00:55:38.000 I know you love that one.

00:55:39.000 Absolutely. You know, the violations of the Second Amendment, the attempts to have, what was it, they called them free speech zones on campuses where you weren't allowed to say whatever you wanted except for this specific little

00:55:55.000 area. The government will do everything

00:55:56.000 Any number of things to violate your rights, and we only have the hope.

00:56:03.000 Was that government or was that universities?

00:56:05.000 Those are mostly universities.

00:56:06.000 Oh, was it?

00:56:07.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:56:10.000 Ten times out of ten, it was the university saying, we have free speech, and then it's like, but only in this aisle.

00:56:16.000 And unless you're Jews. 0.95

00:56:18.000 Well, fair enough on that particular point. 0.99

00:56:20.000 But it's not like the government has any compunction about going to your house, kicking in your door, and pulling you out, or just killing you.

00:56:27.000 There was a guy that the ATF killed over some kind of...

00:56:30.000 In Montana?

00:56:30.000 Pardon me?

00:56:31.000 In Montana?

00:56:32.000 I don't think...

00:56:33.000 I thought he was in Florida.

00:56:34.000 Oh, well, there's been a bunch.

00:56:35.000 Yeah, but...

00:56:36.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:56:37.000 To my point, you know.

00:56:39.000 Utah, not Montana.

00:56:41.000 But the point being, the government has no compunction with going and ripping you out of your home for whatever reason they feel. 0.97

00:56:49.000 So the idea that, oh, we're protected now and then Donald Trump is going to make things dangerous, it's such a ridiculous... 0.77

00:56:58.000 In fact, there's...

00:56:59.000 A bigger microscope on what the Trump administration is doing.

00:57:02.000 So I highly doubt that an American citizen is going to get ripped out of the country, deported to El Salvador, and then not be brought back.

00:57:09.000 It did happen once to an American man, I think in 2012, who was mentally disabled and he was like wandering around Mexico for a while, but they got him back.

00:57:19.000 So it has happened before, but not under Donald Trump.

00:57:23.000 And fair enough, it sucks if it does, right?

00:57:25.000 Fine. I agree.

00:57:27.000 And I don't want to see that happen to innocent people.

00:57:30.000 But more than that, I don't want to see an endless train of illegals staying in the country. 1.00

00:57:40.000 I don't want to see a government...

00:57:43.000 That is completely lawless.

00:57:45.000 So this kid talking about, oh, all of these things that the Trump administration has done and is going to do, and questioning when is it acceptable for violence, I mean, this is something that me and Tim talk about, and I came up with a phrase that's, where's the off-ramp?

00:58:01.000 If kids are writing stuff like that, and people believe these things...

00:58:04.000 They really do believe it.

00:58:05.000 They really do.

00:58:06.000 And it's like normal people.

00:58:08.000 You said the self-proclaimed centrist was saying it's fine to do that to Elon Musk.

00:58:16.000 Wild. We have breaking news.

00:58:19.000 What's that?

00:58:19.000 We have breaking news.

00:58:21.000 Garcia, who we were just talking about, has a tweet from the president of El Salvador.

00:58:27.000 President Bukale.

00:58:29.000 Kilmar Abrego Garcia miraculously risen from the death camps and tortured, now sipping margaritas with Senator Van Hollen in the tropical paradise of El Salvador.

00:58:37.000 Here's some photographs of this guy.

00:58:41.000 Literal photo shoot.

00:58:42.000 First of all, he needs to get...

00:58:45.000 Yeah, done for the Logan Act.

00:58:47.000 So with the Maryland senator, right?

00:58:50.000 Yes. That's who he's with?

00:58:52.000 This guy, if I understand correctly, this guy has done absolutely nothing for any of the people in Baltimore that are victims of tons of violence.

00:59:04.000 Tons of violence.

00:59:06.000 And he then can go to El Salvador for a guy that's not even an American.

00:59:13.000 So I agree with you, Lisa.

00:59:14.000 He should definitely, definitely should go.

00:59:19.000 That's undermining the foreign policy interests of the United States, and he should be arrested immediately.

00:59:25.000 You know what?

00:59:25.000 That's what I want to see.

00:59:26.000 I don't want to see people at UFC.

00:59:28.000 I don't want to see Pam Bondi on Fox News every night.

00:59:31.000 I want to see people arrested for things like this.

00:59:34.000 I want to see as many...

00:59:37.000 Lawsuits, as many...

00:59:39.000 Anything that you can do, I want to see more.

00:59:41.000 We've talked about this, actually.

00:59:43.000 More, way more.

00:59:43.000 There are...

00:59:45.000 There are a lot of people that are saying, oh, there's a lot of people that are saying that, oh, the administration's not doing enough, they haven't done anything, etc., etc.

00:59:54.000 And I am of the opinion that the administration is aware.

00:59:59.000 Of the desires of their base.

01:00:01.000 And I believe that they're also working to do the things that the base wants.

01:00:06.000 And the reason you haven't heard anything is because if they talk about it on the internet, it blows the investigation.

01:00:12.000 You could at least say there's stuff coming.

01:00:15.000 Literally, Dan Bongino did.

01:00:18.000 There's a tweet that he said, look, just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean that it's not happening.

01:00:23.000 And you're the person I'm talking about, Lisa.

01:00:25.000 I just think we only have about a year, year and a half to get this thing seriously done before midterms come.

01:00:34.000 We have less than a year and a half.

01:00:35.000 It is not like...

01:00:37.000 It is not like they didn't have all the evidence for all these years for a lot of things.

01:00:41.000 We've had numerous investigations.

01:00:44.000 We've had numerous congressional hearings on these things.

01:00:47.000 It's not like they didn't have it.

01:00:48.000 It's not hard to compile the evidence.

01:00:52.000 That Trump has removed people's clearances.

01:00:54.000 Those are moves that indicate something is happening.

01:00:58.000 So, again...

01:01:00.000 I'm a little impatient because I've been let down so many times and seen nothing happen and then be completely feckless and I'm just hoping that that's not the case.

01:01:10.000 The Epstein files, I think, definitely caused them.

01:01:12.000 That was a terrible...

01:01:13.000 That was such a terrible move.

01:01:14.000 Really bad rollout.

01:01:16.000 Yeah. Not great.

01:01:17.000 I think there's a good chance the Epstein files don't exist.

01:01:20.000 Yeah. Fair.

01:01:21.000 Anymore. Yeah.

01:01:22.000 Well, also, it was analog.

01:01:23.000 These were all analog files.

01:01:25.000 So, to the extent that they do exist, they were probably drowned in some subway flood in Brooklyn years ago.

01:01:32.000 Yeah. All right, we're going to go on to this story.

01:01:36.000 From the Postmillennial, breaking, Carmella Anthony's reps called police on Austin Metcalfe's father for attending press conference after his boy was stabbed to death.

01:01:48.000 From the Postmillennial, representatives for Caramello Anthony in his murder case in the killing of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf called the police on Metcalf's father for showing up to a Thursday press conference that they were holding.

01:02:00.000 According to ABC8, the Next Generation Action Network, which is a Dallas-based activist group that has taken on the role of publicly defending Anthony, called the police and asked Jeff Metcalf to be removed from the scene.

01:02:15.000 Anthony was released from jail and placed under house arrest after being charged with the murder of Austin Metcalf.

01:02:20.000 Anthony admitted to stabbing Metcalf at a track meet.

01:02:23.000 According to police, he has claimed self-defense in the case and has garnered national mutuality.

01:02:27.000 I don't think you could possibly do make a worse move.

01:02:32.000 This man whose son is dead at the hands of the defendant here, who also said, look, I don't want to see this turned into a racial thing.

01:02:42.000 I want, you know, he was looking for a, the best.

01:02:46.000 Best way to handle it that he could with the least malice and the most charity.

01:02:52.000 And then he shows up here and they decide they're going to kick him out.

01:02:57.000 He was probably going to be nice.

01:02:59.000 He was probably going to make amends.

01:03:01.000 That seems like what his whole MO has been anyway. 0.79

01:03:04.000 This was just totally disgusting.

01:03:06.000 Libby, what's this video here?

01:03:08.000 Is this just him being walked out?

01:03:10.000 Yeah, we should watch it.

01:03:11.000 Hey, we asked that job.

01:03:19.000 Dude, this is why you can't be charitable.

01:03:22.000 I'm sorry.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, the police took him out.

01:03:26.000 It's disgusting how they're treating this guy's dad.

01:03:29.000 He said it was disrespectful for him to show up. 0.86

01:03:34.000 How about it's disrespectful that his son stabbed somebody?

01:03:37.000 It's disrespectful that they're bringing out this Dominique Alexander guy who's trying to cosplay as a civil rights leader over a murder case.

01:03:47.000 Weird stuff with this guy.

01:03:48.000 Yes, so I was looking into him.

01:03:50.000 He, you know, like there was some case where he was babysitting his girlfriend's toddler and the kid ended up sustaining a bunch of injuries and he admitted to shaking the baby.

01:04:05.000 Oh, that's not good.

01:04:05.000 He also was, his girlfriend reported him for domestic assault.

01:04:11.000 He's been grown in jail over forgery.

01:04:15.000 This guy is the last person I would bring in if I'm trying to prove to everyone that my son is non-violent and also credible.

01:04:26.000 You bring in a guy with a history of violence who's gone to jail over forgery.

01:04:31.000 I'm sorry.

01:04:32.000 To that point, the Post Millennial reports, Caramel Anthony's rep blames Frisco School District.

01:04:40.000 Weather for fatal stabbing death of Austin Metcalf.

01:04:43.000 This guy is going to botch this so bad that even though I didn't think that Carmelo Anthony was going to get the death penalty, I think that he might end up getting the death penalty because of his poor representation.

01:04:57.000 Like, I assume he probably would get 25 years.

01:05:01.000 No, the death penalty was taken off the table.

01:05:04.000 He's 17. He can't have it.

01:05:06.000 So he's going to end up in jail for life then?

01:05:08.000 Life in prison was also taken off the table.

01:05:11.000 Well, he can have life with the possibility of parole.

01:05:14.000 They can give him that, but they can't give him life without the possibility of parole.

01:05:18.000 Well, with this kind of representation...

01:05:20.000 Totally the wrong way.

01:05:22.000 Yeah, they kicked him out, and then this guy was also...

01:05:27.000 The representative was also talking about how the weather was to blame for the attack.

01:05:33.000 Did you write this piece?

01:05:35.000 No. No.

01:05:36.000 All right.

01:05:36.000 So from the Postmillennial, a representative for Carmelo Anthony placed blame on the Frisco Independent School District, as well as the weather for the murder suspect stabbing Austin Metcalf to death at a district track meet earlier this month.

01:05:49.000 While Dominique Alexander was speaking to reporters on Thursday, he said that Frisco ISD is trying to push off the blame because the school district isn't taking steps to expel Anthony, insinuating that the school district was to blame for the stabbing.

01:06:04.000 He then added, what I have not heard the media say, as many media outlets asked us what went on, I'm trying to find how many of y'all have asked the superintendent on one of these board of trustees, why didn't you cancel or postpone with weather in that magnitude?

01:06:22.000 You couldn't have attract me in the rain or thunderstorms or clouds.

01:06:26.000 Let me tell you, rain defense.

01:06:27.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:06:28.000 It gets a little better.

01:06:30.000 Y'all are the media.

01:06:31.000 Ask your journalist, your weather journalist, how the weather was that day and that time.

01:06:37.000 Y'all do that research.

01:06:38.000 Because a person who is the administrator of your children, you are responsible for the safety of the children.

01:06:45.000 And so it seems that Frisco ISD is trying to push this off by making this decision that they do not have to make, he said, in reference to Anthony getting expelled.

01:06:53.000 This is insane.

01:06:55.000 To blame the weather for behavior.

01:06:59.000 Wait until the video comes out.

01:07:00.000 This is something that I have a real bad problem with.

01:07:04.000 People, especially people on the left in the United States, when it comes to actions, they tend to look for any other reason aside from the individual that acted.

01:07:17.000 And I actually went through this last night.

01:07:20.000 You see it with some international issues as well.

01:07:24.000 With the Ukraine war, it's not Putin's fault.

01:07:26.000 It's because of the U.S. or because of the Ukraine. 0.95

01:07:29.000 In Israel, it's not Hamas' fault.

01:07:33.000 It's Israel's fault. 1.00

01:07:35.000 The idea that the people that actually carry out the violence aren't to blame, that they're victims somehow, that's something the left does.

01:07:44.000 All the time.

01:07:45.000 And you heard about it.

01:07:46.000 I mean, Solzhenitsyn wrote about it in the Archipelago.

01:07:50.000 If you're a normal person and you have a knife, well, you're the bad guy.

01:07:55.000 But if there's a criminal that has a knife and uses it, well, he's a criminal.

01:07:59.000 He didn't.

01:08:00.000 And he ended up there because of circumstance, etc.

01:08:05.000 The left is constantly making excuses for people that have the ability to make decisions on their own, that have agency, and in this case it's no different.

01:08:14.000 I want to go back to that in a minute, but I just want to talk about the rain because I talked to somebody, a whistleblower called me about this when they said there was no video, and somebody told me about the video that they watched, and this is verified, so I verified my source.

01:08:27.000 Anyway, he wasn't just running to get out of the rain.

01:08:30.000 He didn't just jump into a tent to get out of the rain.

01:08:31.000 He walked past one tent.

01:08:33.000 He walked past another tent.

01:08:34.000 He walked up the bleachers, back down the bleachers, around Metcalfe's tent, and then sat in his tent.

01:08:41.000 And so it's not like this, you'll see when the video comes out, but it is not like he was just dodging in a tent to get out of the rain like they're trying to make it seem.

01:08:50.000 That's just not true.

01:08:52.000 Wait to see that.

01:08:54.000 But then, in the meantime, you can go finish with the rest.

01:08:56.000 I just still don't understand how this escalated to a knife getting pulled and someone dying.

01:09:00.000 It's this culture.

01:09:01.000 It's unbelievable.

01:09:03.000 He brought the knife on purpose.

01:09:04.000 He brought the knife clearly on purpose with the intent to use it.

01:09:07.000 And as soon as he was picked up afterwards, he said, no, I did this.

01:09:10.000 I am interested in seeing, like, what kind of knife.

01:09:13.000 I wonder if he was intending to kill him or if he was just intending to stab him.

01:09:18.000 But he stabbed him right in the heart. 0.99

01:09:19.000 Stabbed him in the chest, yeah. 1.00

01:09:21.000 It is just the culture that says, you dissed me, you disrespected me, you told me to leave, you embarrassed me, you pushed me, you deserve to die. 0.99

01:09:31.000 That is becoming more and more prevalent, like I've said a million times, and nobody seems to care or notice or want to talk about it. 0.95

01:09:39.000 See, I don't think that it's...

01:09:41.000 I mean, maybe it is becoming more and more prevalent, but I don't feel like it's new.

01:09:45.000 I remember back...

01:09:47.000 I remember back when I was a kid, you would hear stories about people getting killed for their Jordans.

01:09:55.000 Yeah, of course.

01:09:56.000 So I don't think that it doesn't happen.

01:09:58.000 It hasn't happened.

01:10:00.000 I'm going to send you a whole thing.

01:10:02.000 When we get done, I'm going to send you tons of stories.

01:10:04.000 In order.

01:10:05.000 But it is to a different level.

01:10:08.000 If you look at right now, just Google teen...

01:10:11.000 I'm busy right now.

01:10:12.000 Oh, well, I forgot you can't multitask.

01:10:14.000 But if you really look up how many teens are dying from shooting and violent deaths like that, the numbers are skyrocketing at an abnormal level.

01:10:23.000 Okay. Well, I don't think you're wrong.

01:10:27.000 I just...

01:10:28.000 What do you think it is?

01:10:30.000 There's just more people?

01:10:31.000 No, I think that it's...

01:10:34.000 Godless. It probably is more intense now than it's been.

01:10:39.000 Go ahead.

01:10:40.000 Youth gun deaths in the U.S. have surged 50% since 2019.

01:10:45.000 This is 2023.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, it's been brutal.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, it's on the rise.

01:10:52.000 So is that because of...

01:10:53.000 I was under the impression that there was a lot of that because of COVID.

01:10:59.000 It definitely jumped in 2020.

01:11:01.000 Because they were buying guns with their stimulus checks.

01:11:02.000 Yeah, but it's remained consistent since.

01:11:06.000 All right, so Serge just brought this up for me.

01:11:08.000 In 2020, the homicide rate for youth under 18 in the U.S. was 37% below the peak in 1993.

01:11:15.000 1993 is when I was talking about, because that's when I was 18. That's when all of gangster rap really kind of exploded onto the scene.

01:11:25.000 So, like, this kind of does...

01:11:28.000 Kind of give a...

01:11:30.000 Point to my point of back in the 90s, there was considerable violence.

01:11:35.000 And we really have gone through a significant decline in violence in the past 30 years up until 2020.

01:11:43.000 But it goes on.

01:11:44.000 But still, in 2020, the homicide rate for youths under 18 in the U.S. was 37% lower than the peak in 1993, but still saw 1,777 victims.

01:11:54.000 This age group represents about 8% of all murder victims that year.

01:11:58.000 Globally, approximately.

01:11:59.000 Approximately 193,000 homicides occur among those aged 15 to 29 each year, making it the leading cause of death for this age group, according to the WHO.

01:12:08.000 So, yeah, but I don't disagree with you.

01:12:12.000 I don't think that you're wrong about the increase since 2020.

01:12:15.000 That's something that we've actually heard multiple times, those stats, because COVID and because of the, apparently maybe the stimulus checks.

01:12:23.000 I'm not...

01:12:24.000 Go ahead.

01:12:24.000 Here we go.

01:12:24.000 Here's another one.

01:12:25.000 Trends in juvenile offending what you need to know.

01:12:27.000 Homicides perpetrated by juveniles jump 65%.

01:12:30.000 Here, I'll send it to search.

01:12:33.000 But it's literally out of control.

01:12:35.000 You can look it up later, but I'm going to send it to you.

01:12:37.000 Like I said, I don't disbelieve you, but the...

01:12:41.000 It's my sense that...

01:12:42.000 It's my kids that have to hang around with those kids.

01:12:44.000 You know what I mean? 0.84

01:12:44.000 Or be at the park when they go shoot seven of them. 0.84

01:12:47.000 Well, again, you live in the city, too.

01:12:50.000 I live in Atlanta, so I see a lot of kids.

01:12:51.000 You live in Atlanta?

01:12:52.000 I live in Atlanta, and I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

01:12:56.000 Shout out to Louisiana. 0.93

01:12:58.000 Yeah, it's bad.

01:12:59.000 It's really, really bad.

01:13:01.000 And I think this goes back to the conversation we were having earlier about how young people don't value human life anymore.

01:13:08.000 But in general, I think the rules of engagement have deteriorated across society.

01:13:15.000 Like, people think that violence, theft, murder, any form of violence, they believe that it's an acceptable form of engaging with others in society.

01:13:27.000 Now that we've passed that point, what now?

01:13:32.000 How do you put the cat back in the bag?

01:13:34.000 Okay, like, you're all kids, and so I know that I am dating myself here, but, you know, crime did peak in the 90s, and for definitely all of your life, and most of your life, and Libby's a little younger than me.

01:13:49.000 I was kind of young in 93, but yeah.

01:13:51.000 You were definitely kind of young.

01:13:52.000 But the point that I'm making is crime has been going down, right?

01:13:55.000 Right. Granted, there has been, like, there was definitely a decrease in the death rate, partially because of, you know, the ability of people to call from cell phones and stuff like that, that you can call for help and things like that, that affected how many people actually got,

01:14:11.000 you know, how many assaults turned into murders, because, you know, if you get shot and you can call the cops, they come and help you out, you know, most of the time.

01:14:23.000 Response times have really gone down.

01:14:27.000 And also, to be honest with you, the ability to deal with traumatic injury is much greater now, specifically because of the war on terror.

01:14:39.000 They've learned a lot from all the dudes getting shot and stuff in the war on terror in the early aughts.

01:14:45.000 But until 2020, it had been going down.

01:14:48.000 So this is not something that we've experienced a lot.

01:14:53.000 The first time in my life.

01:14:55.000 I remember when I was young, it was...

01:14:59.000 Even like 12 and 13 year olds?

01:15:01.000 What? Yeah.

01:15:03.000 I don't remember 12 and 13 year olds shooting at each other.

01:15:05.000 Oh yeah, that was happening.

01:15:06.000 Absolutely. I don't remember that.

01:15:09.000 Drugs, gangs have always used young people. 0.61

01:15:12.000 But these aren't even about drugs.

01:15:13.000 It doesn't matter.

01:15:14.000 Well, it could be about whatever you want.

01:15:15.000 This is what I'm saying.

01:15:16.000 There's like this, it's across the board, especially on the left.

01:15:18.000 It's especially with young people, especially with young black people too.

01:15:21.000 But it is, it is something in our society that says there's, human life doesn't matter if we don't like you.

01:15:27.000 That was something, that was something that was, that was a phenomenon that this is not new.

01:15:33.000 So I'm not saying that it might, it seems more intense now.

01:15:36.000 But again, in the 90s.

01:15:38.000 The gang wars and all of the stuff that you heard when it came to Southern California rap, right?

01:15:46.000 All the rap that I grew up listening to, all the stuff like Dr. Dre, they were talking about, I'll kill you just for looking at me the wrong way.

01:15:54.000 That kind of attitude is something...

01:15:57.000 Didn't MS-13 form in that environment?

01:15:59.000 Yes. Within that context?

01:16:01.000 Probably. I think so.

01:16:02.000 MS-13 formed in prison.

01:16:04.000 Yeah, MS-13 was formed in, I believe, a California prison. 0.81

01:16:08.000 You can get shot for wearing...

01:16:10.000 Crips and Bloods were killing each other in the 90s, and you could get shot for wearing the wrong color in the wrong part of town. 0.99

01:16:16.000 Like, that was a real thing in the 90s.

01:16:18.000 So, not that I want to say you're wrong.

01:16:21.000 But I don't think that it's such a new phenomenon.

01:16:24.000 I think that it's an upsurge since 2020.

01:16:27.000 What about the political violence?

01:16:30.000 Well, the political violence is different.

01:16:32.000 Actually, that's not different either because Congress got bombed in the 80s.

01:16:38.000 In the 70s, we looked into it and there was 2,500 bombings in 1971 to 72. It was Oklahoma City.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, that was in the 90s too.

01:16:49.000 You don't think it's an overall decline in morality across the board?

01:16:54.000 That they both don't have the same underlying principles?

01:16:57.000 I think that's been going on for a long time.

01:16:59.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:17:00.000 But I think it's getting worse over time.

01:17:02.000 And I think I don't remember politics.

01:17:05.000 I don't know.

01:17:06.000 10-15 years ago being this heated, this violent.

01:17:10.000 Politics has gotten pretty extreme.

01:17:12.000 I agree about politics.

01:17:16.000 The level of divisiveness has increased significantly.

01:17:20.000 There was a time where in the U.S. you could say...

01:17:23.000 I don't really pay attention to politics.

01:17:25.000 And there wasn't the stigma of you being a bad person for it, right?

01:17:29.000 Because nowadays, if you say, I don't really pay attention to politics, people are like, how can you not pay attention when there is a femicide going on in the gongo? 0.92

01:17:39.000 Oh, even more.

01:17:41.000 No, you voted for Trump.

01:17:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:43.000 That's another one.

01:17:43.000 Exactly. It's like a Kafka trap.

01:17:46.000 If you say, oh, I don't pay attention, well, then that's confirmation that you're a Trumper or whatever.

01:17:52.000 So I do think that that's a new thing, but I don't think that it's that politics is...

01:18:00.000 What is that?

01:18:03.000 I was passing notes earlier.

01:18:05.000 We're going to go to this story, which is actually some good news.

01:18:10.000 The U.S. is withdrawing hundreds of troops from Syria, from the New York Times.

01:18:14.000 The end of the Assad era has reduced some threats, but the Islamic State has shown renewed strength in the country. 0.72

01:18:19.000 Well, that's because the Islamic State is now the people in charge. 1.00

01:18:24.000 They won.

01:18:25.000 I think it's a good idea to get Americans out of harm's way over there.

01:18:28.000 Sure. The United States has started drawing down hundreds of troops from northern Syria in a reflection of the shifting security environment in the country since the fall of President Bashar al-Assad in December, but also a move that carries risk.

01:18:42.000 The military is shuttering three of its eight small operating bases in the country's northeast, reducing troop levels to about 1,400 from 2,000, two senior U.S. officials said.

01:18:54.000 The bases are mission support site Green Village, MS,

01:18:57.000 Sure. Now, these guys that are in Syria, first of all,

01:19:13.000 right, this is a...

01:19:16.000 Direct contradiction to what Kamala Harris said on the campaign trail, that there was no U.S. forces in other countries.

01:19:23.000 Did she say that?

01:19:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:25.000 Not only did she say that, but there were guys...

01:19:28.000 I mean, it was completely BS, but there were no U.S. forces in war zones, I think was the actual...

01:19:33.000 That was a funny video.

01:19:34.000 They're like, where are we right now?

01:19:35.000 And there was a video made by some servicemen.

01:19:37.000 They're just sitting there watching, and they're like, well, where the hell are we?

01:19:41.000 Because they were overseas.

01:19:44.000 So... But anyways, this kind of pullout by the United States, these guys that are getting pulled out, these were not regular army.

01:19:57.000 These guys were combat.

01:19:58.000 They were combat guys.

01:19:59.000 They were probably most likely Green Berets working with local forces or maybe they were Delta guys doing direct action.

01:20:08.000 And now that they're not, now that Assad's not in charge, I don't know what they would be doing because the current government there is terrorists.

01:20:25.000 They were formerly ISIS. 0.86

01:20:28.000 These guys are as bad as they come.

01:20:32.000 This is not an upgrade.

01:20:34.000 Bashar al-Assad, I know there are people that say, oh, well, you know, Bashar al-Assad, he was actually much, much better.

01:20:40.000 He protected Christians and blah, blah, blah. 0.94

01:20:43.000 There is some truth to that, but he wasn't better because he was brutal and stuff, so it's just different.

01:20:49.000 He at least protected the Christians. 0.88

01:20:51.000 Yeah, but new boss, same as the old boss.

01:20:53.000 So now they're going after Christians, but they were going after everybody before, too.

01:20:58.000 But it is good to see that the Trump administration still wants to do more to pull back the U.S. forces from war zones.

01:21:12.000 What's this?

01:21:13.000 President Trump, however, has expressed deep skepticism about keeping any U.S. troops in the country.

01:21:18.000 At least for now, the reductions that started on Thursday are based on ground commanders'recommendations to close and consolidate bases and were approved by the Pentagon and its Central Command.

01:21:27.000 The official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational matters.

01:21:32.000 So, again, it's a good thing that the U.S. is getting out of, you know, war zones, but...

01:21:41.000 These, like, the guys that are over there, they're not dudes that are there because they don't want to be, right?

01:21:47.000 Again, when I say that they're Green Berets, they're the kind of, like, Tier 1 kind of dudes, they're Tier 1 guys and probably support.

01:21:55.000 And, like, those guys are the kind of guys that are like, yo, put me in coach.

01:21:59.000 I joined the army because I want to fight bad guys.

01:22:02.000 Point me at the bad guys.

01:22:03.000 Well, what are they doing there right now?

01:22:05.000 Do we have any idea?

01:22:06.000 No, and I think that's part of their job.

01:22:08.000 There's some intelligence gathering going on and whatever, but bring them home.

01:22:13.000 We've had people in Syria for a long time.

01:22:15.000 Yeah. Yeah.

01:22:17.000 I mean, so do you guys have a sense that it's a good thing or a bad thing?

01:22:22.000 I mean, it really depends on what your perspective is, right?

01:22:25.000 What's your worldview?

01:22:25.000 So it's a good thing if you think that the United States should withdraw its tendrils from all over the world and come back home and bring our troops back home and be a little bit more...

01:22:38.000 America-focused and a little more isolationist.

01:22:41.000 And it's a bad thing if you are a globalist who really wants to have America's reach in every corner of the world.

01:22:48.000 Do you think that that is the sense of a globalist, or do you think that that's the sense of someone that believes that the United States should have an expansive military footprint?

01:22:58.000 Because I think that there is a difference between...

01:23:00.000 I think that the globalists and the warmongers have a lot of similarities.

01:23:05.000 They want that reach.

01:23:07.000 They want the hard power and they want the soft power to go along with it.

01:23:12.000 So, like, for example, if you're going to do soft power operations in Syria or in the Middle East, you need a place to do them from, right?

01:23:21.000 And you need to have a little hard power there to back it up.

01:23:23.000 So I think those two things go hand in hand.

01:23:28.000 What do you think, Lisa?

01:23:29.000 I think if I say what I really think, I'll get the show taken down.

01:23:33.000 But I'm definitely not in favor of sending any money over there or putting troops on the ground in excess or anything like that.

01:23:42.000 I wouldn't spend a single dime over there anymore.

01:23:45.000 However, I think...

01:23:46.000 You can't say stuff like that.

01:23:47.000 The chat goes wild.

01:23:48.000 However, I think...

01:23:49.000 Well, I really don't want any money over there at all.

01:23:52.000 Like, I don't care where.

01:23:53.000 And even Israel. 0.53

01:23:54.000 I don't want to give my money over there either.

01:23:56.000 But I really think people wildly underestimate the threat of Islam. 0.99

01:24:01.000 And they do it because of whatever reason that they wildly underestimate it.

01:24:05.000 They definitely—I've been doing that kind of stuff in England and in Brussels and all over the place.

01:24:12.000 Wildly underestimate how that can totally ruin your entire country.

01:24:17.000 If I want them all over there, let them all fight each other. 1.00

01:24:19.000 Let them all kill each other. 1.00

01:24:20.000 I don't care, right? 0.99

01:24:22.000 But I definitely think we should at least have some ears on the ground so that if they're coming over here or they're planning an attack, that we can...

01:24:30.000 What I would do is just like, boop, on the whole region.

01:24:33.000 But that's me.

01:24:34.000 So what do you...

01:24:35.000 On the whole region.

01:24:37.000 I think we can take from context what boop means.

01:24:40.000 Boop. Would you support giving asylum to Christians?

01:24:47.000 Yeah. Nah!

01:24:48.000 No, no, I probably wouldn't.

01:24:49.000 No! Actually, no.

01:24:50.000 It seems to be the only reason why we would be there.

01:24:53.000 They can go to neighboring Christian countries. 0.60

01:24:56.000 I don't want anybody else in here.

01:24:57.000 I want no one else in here.

01:24:58.000 I think that we should stop immigration for the next 10 years. 1.00

01:25:01.000 No more people in here.

01:25:02.000 We're done.

01:25:02.000 We're full.

01:25:05.000 There's no room at the inn.

01:25:06.000 We're done.

01:25:07.000 There are no neighboring Christian countries, and that's the problem. 0.90

01:25:10.000 There's not really any neighboring Christian countries.

01:25:12.000 Israel would really be the best way. 1.00

01:25:14.000 Keep going, though.

01:25:15.000 Keep going.

01:25:16.000 Is there anywhere closer than us?

01:25:17.000 Yes. There's Europe.

01:25:20.000 Europe's not crushing countries anymore.

01:25:23.000 Poland, the only place they can go is Poland. 1.00

01:25:26.000 Good for Poland. 1.00

01:25:27.000 Poland has the right idea.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, they can go somewhere else.

01:25:30.000 Don't come here.

01:25:31.000 Okay, so you made a remark about Intel, right?

01:25:36.000 A lot of times, it's my understanding that if you don't have people, human intelligence, then you really don't have much.

01:25:44.000 Now, you can do, if I understand correctly, you can do a lot with signal intelligence.

01:25:49.000 That's monitoring phone calls, monitoring the internet.

01:25:51.000 But the real payoff comes from human intelligence, that people that know people on the ground.

01:26:00.000 If you don't have people on the ground...

01:26:04.000 We didn't have intelligence in...

01:26:09.000 In Afghanistan, we didn't have a lot of intelligence assets in all kinds of places.

01:26:17.000 And because you specifically mentioned the threat of Islam, or global jihad kind of Islam, do you think that the U.S. is better served by having... 0.90

01:26:31.000 Those kind of assets?

01:26:32.000 Or do you think that it should be a full pullback?

01:26:34.000 And I think that I want to go to everybody with that.

01:26:37.000 I definitely don't.

01:26:37.000 I don't necessarily think boots on the ground, but I definitely think you should have people there.

01:26:40.000 Well, there are going to be sandals on the ground.

01:26:42.000 Yeah, I think that there should be sandals on the ground.

01:26:44.000 Some sandals on the ground.

01:26:45.000 Well, the point that I'm making is it's going to be...

01:26:47.000 Just to prevent threats that would be on the homeland.

01:26:49.000 Like, we don't need to manipulate their governments or deal with that.

01:26:54.000 If they want to hurt each other, fine.

01:26:56.000 Right? Like, you go do your thing.

01:26:58.000 Fight each other.

01:26:59.000 Who cares?

01:26:59.000 But the minute that it comes here, then that's where I have an issue.

01:27:03.000 And so we should have some intelligence on the ground to get some intel for that.

01:27:06.000 Libby, what do you think?

01:27:07.000 You know, I'm not sure.

01:27:08.000 I think it makes sense to have intelligence operations.

01:27:12.000 But I really don't know what that looks like.

01:27:14.000 And we were operating at a base in Syria that was controlled by, I think, the Assad regime previously.

01:27:23.000 So once Assad fell...

01:27:25.000 We no longer have any protection in that area, and we certainly don't have any...

01:27:30.000 Yeah, we have an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean.

01:27:33.000 I mean, we have that, but we don't have...

01:27:35.000 We are certainly not in the good graces of the government there.

01:27:38.000 No, no, but they don't have an Air Force.

01:27:40.000 Right. Sure, but now you're talking about escalation.

01:27:44.000 Well, only if they decide they're going to attack the Americans. 0.57

01:27:47.000 So then what?

01:27:48.000 I mean, we lost people in Jordan last year at a base there, and that was a pretty weird...

01:27:57.000 They followed the drones back.

01:28:00.000 They followed the drones back.

01:28:14.000 okay yeah what do you think same here um that foreign policy is not really my thing i like to say that my my brain just kind of when we're talking about geopolitics

01:28:25.000 But I will say, I think it's fair that we should have intelligence operations over there.

01:28:31.000 It's just...

01:28:32.000 So that...

01:28:33.000 Let's pull our troops out of the region, but, you know...

01:28:38.000 So that impulse or that idea actually flies in the face of what most libertarians think, because everyone knows...

01:28:46.000 It's one thing to say intelligence, right?

01:28:48.000 But then once you say the CIA, then libertarians are like, what?

01:28:55.000 That's what intelligence is.

01:28:57.000 It is CIA.

01:28:58.000 It is...

01:28:59.000 Well, I don't want to be over there doing regime change and, you know, using USAID.

01:29:05.000 Have you heard Mike Benz talk, right?

01:29:08.000 Yes. Okay, the way that he describes it, I think, is extremely useful.

01:29:12.000 Regime change happens by the military.

01:29:16.000 CIA doesn't do regime change.

01:29:18.000 As much as people want to think they do, they'll do influence operations.

01:29:25.000 They will do things like trying to help people that are friendly to the United States gain influence and stuff.

01:29:33.000 But if they want to do regime change, it takes the U.S. military because the U.S. military has to actually...

01:29:40.000 Usually destroy the military of the existing...

01:29:43.000 Or unless you can get...

01:29:45.000 I'm pretty sure CIA has some...

01:29:50.000 So you're talking about CIA ground branch, but they work in conjunction with Green Berets, and they would work in conjunction possibly with Delta, but definitely with Green Berets.

01:29:58.000 Green Berets go in and they teach local assets how to fight.

01:30:03.000 CIA ground branch would be the guys that are working with...

01:30:05.000 They definitely had secret operations in the CIA, but they were physically harming people.

01:30:11.000 But that's not large-scale...

01:30:16.000 kind of stuff.

01:30:16.000 Like, when you talk about Max Og V...

01:30:19.000 Well, if you just assassinate somebody.

01:30:19.000 But if you're talking about, like, Max Og V, right?

01:30:21.000 The guys that were in Cambodia, in Vietnam, they were in the army.

01:30:26.000 They weren't CIA guys.

01:30:28.000 They were working in conjunction with CIA, but they were the army.

01:30:31.000 They were...

01:30:32.000 They had some...

01:30:33.000 Like, CIA did, like, the plane flights and stuff, but they were military-trained and stuff like that.

01:30:38.000 But that's the thing.

01:30:41.000 You run into, you know...

01:30:44.000 Whether it be just human intelligence and stuff like that, but you run into the people that are like, whoa, CIA shouldn't be in there.

01:30:50.000 Well, that's what CIA does.

01:30:52.000 Intelligence, you know?

01:30:55.000 I don't think we should be trying to whip up support for or against certain people in power over there.

01:31:03.000 I just think we should monitor for threats against the United States.

01:31:07.000 I think that's fairly consistent.

01:31:11.000 We should defend ourselves.

01:31:13.000 I have nothing else to say.

01:31:15.000 I'm fine.

01:31:15.000 I said a lot.

01:31:17.000 I said good.

01:31:19.000 There's one more thing that I want to talk about real quick.

01:31:22.000 Where is it?

01:31:23.000 So, we didn't really talk about this one here.

01:31:28.000 Again, from the post-millennial, Trump opted for talks with Iran on nuclear deal rather than Israeli-led strikes.

01:31:34.000 Which, again, points to the idea that Donald Trump is actually pro-peace.

01:31:41.000 And I think that's something that we all kind of agree on is good.

01:31:44.000 From the Postmillennial, President Donald Trump opted to engage in diplomatic talks with Iran on a nuclear deal rather than go ahead with Israeli proposed strikes on the nation.

01:31:54.000 Officials with the Trump administration who spoke with The New York Times indicated that while Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu was interested in attacking Iran, Trump told him during their White House meeting that he would instead begin talks.

01:32:09.000 Netanyahu had other ideas on how to deal with Iran, namely engaging U.S. military support to attack Iran.

01:32:14.000 And his timeline was to start the whole thing as soon as May.

01:32:18.000 Trump, The Times reported, made his decision after months of internal debate over whether to pursue diplomacy or support Israel in seeking to set back Iran's ability to build a bomb at a time when Iran has been weakened militarily and economically.

01:32:31.000 So are we kind of all in agreement that that's the proper?

01:32:35.000 Yeah, I mean, when he...

01:32:38.000 When he makes decisions like this, I feel vindicated in my vote for him, you know?

01:32:43.000 And I'm sure a lot of other libertarians, that's the scary word, I'm sure a lot of other libertarians feel the same way, you know?

01:32:51.000 I agree.

01:32:51.000 I like this.

01:32:52.000 I like that.

01:32:52.000 I don't want to be, like, striking Iran.

01:32:54.000 I do think, though, that we should have it, like, before, like I said, with the Poso thing, like, it should be...

01:33:01.000 They should think in their mind that it's certainly an option.

01:33:04.000 Like, I think part of the reason that there were no new wars and things like that under Trump is because everybody was scared of him thinking that he's so unhinged that he may push that button at any time, and that really protected us.

01:33:15.000 So if they're looking at us and saying, well, the American people will never support them bombing Iran, right?

01:33:24.000 Okay, well then that doesn't give him as much leverage as he needs.

01:33:26.000 I don't want him to do it, right?

01:33:28.000 But I also want it to be at least a negotiating tool in his belt to use.

01:33:34.000 But no, I don't think it would be fruitful in the end, and I think it's not our issue.

01:33:40.000 So when you say you don't think it'd be fruitful, are you saying that the United States wouldn't be able to stop Iran's nuclear program? 0.52

01:33:47.000 No, I just think that nobody wants mass destruction here.

01:33:50.000 And it's Israel's problem. 0.96

01:33:53.000 More than it's our problem.

01:33:54.000 It's not just Israel's problem.

01:33:55.000 I think it's probably a Muslim.

01:33:56.000 It's Saudi Arabia's problem, too. 0.94

01:33:58.000 But it's not our problem.

01:34:00.000 It doesn't have to be our problem.

01:34:01.000 Listen, Saudi Arabia is the Sunni Muslims and Iran Shia Muslims.

01:34:05.000 They don't like each other at all.

01:34:07.000 And as much as Israel gets the focus, there are a lot of people in Saudi Arabia that are like, yo, if you go and strike Iran, we will be pumped.

01:34:14.000 But Iran backs... 0.99

01:34:16.000 Which one is Iran? 0.94

01:34:17.000 Sunni or Shia? 0.80

01:34:18.000 You just said it.

01:34:19.000 Right. So Iran also backs the Sunnis when it's the Houthis or the Hezbollah or Hamas or whatever. 0.76

01:34:27.000 Right. But they also back Hamas and Hamas is not Shia. 0.80

01:34:31.000 Or whichever one Iran isn't. 0.86

01:34:33.000 Hamas doesn't... 0.96

01:34:34.000 Iran doesn't care who they're backing so long as they're Muslim going after Israel. 0.99

01:34:39.000 When it comes to going after Israel. 0.92

01:34:42.000 When it comes to this, I think that it makes a lot of sense for the president to be engaging in talks with Iran to try and limit their nuclear program. 0.59

01:34:48.000 This has been a problem for America for years and years.

01:34:52.000 And it's a problem because...

01:34:54.000 If Iran has a nuclear weapon, then suddenly they're attacking our only ally in the region, and then suddenly America's on the hook. 0.81

01:35:01.000 Again, I really do think that the Saudis are an ally.

01:35:05.000 Are they not?

01:35:06.000 Well, they are kind of, but they're also not a democracy.

01:35:13.000 Israel's the only democracy in the Middle East.

01:35:15.000 If they could get rid of...

01:35:19.000 Like, if they could get rid of infidels all across the board, most times most of them would. 1.00

01:35:25.000 So they're not really our friends.

01:35:26.000 They're kind of our friends when they need us until it gets to the point, until it gets to the point where they've taken over so much control of, I don't want to say all of Europe, because we've got every mayor in freaking England, you know, and they finally take over it all, that they're in control of these nuclear arsenals and everywhere else, 0.78

01:35:42.000 and then they will not be our friend anymore.

01:35:44.000 Okay. You were going to say, Libby?

01:35:48.000 Yeah, I think that the issue of Iran's nuclear situation has been a problem for a really long time.

01:35:54.000 I think it really behooves us to try and keep that whole situation in line.

01:36:01.000 So to the extent that Trump can do that, I think that's great.

01:36:04.000 And I don't think backing Israel in attacks on Iran would attain the goal that he's looking for.

01:36:11.000 It's my sense that Israel wants the U.S. to do it. 0.58

01:36:15.000 Well, that's what Netanyahu was saying.

01:36:17.000 They were not going to go ahead and do this without the backing of the U.S. because they would not only need the U.S.'s—they said that they would need the U.S.'s help because they would need Iran to know that the U.S. had their back.

01:36:31.000 And so without the U.S. having Israel's back, they're not going to do something like this. 0.75

01:36:35.000 It's my sense that Israel— Israel wants the US to back them and say, hey, you know, we'll make sure that should they strike back or something, we're going to do something. 0.52

01:36:44.000 But at the same time, I also think that Israel has made it very clear that they will go move on their own if they believe that Iran gets a nuclear weapon.

01:36:56.000 Well, I mean, look, I'm not sure as to what Iran will do with a nuclear weapon, but they allude to the idea that they would nuke.

01:37:07.000 Israel is 100% has made it completely clear that they will use the nuclear weapon that they may or may not have because they've never come out and said they have nuclear weapons but they've made it clear that they will strike Iran before they will allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. 0.64

01:37:32.000 Now the question that I'm asking is Do you guys think that Israel is bluffing, or do you think that Israel will act independently of the United States should they believe that Iran is on the cusp of getting a nuclear weapon?

01:37:48.000 A lot of people are turning on Israel, and if they do not have the U.S. support, they will not do it.

01:37:55.000 Libby, what do you think?

01:37:57.000 Yeah, I don't think they're going to go ahead without American support.

01:37:59.000 Even if that means Iran gets a nuclear weapon?

01:38:02.000 I don't think that America will let around get a nuclear weapon.

01:38:05.000 I agree.

01:38:06.000 The U.S. has Israel's back all the way up to that point. 0.91

01:38:13.000 So it's the consensus here that...

01:38:16.000 The United States will act to...

01:38:18.000 We're women. 1.00

01:38:19.000 Well, I'm asking a question.

01:38:20.000 Oh my goodness.

01:38:22.000 Foreign policy?

01:38:25.000 So I just want to make sure I understand you.

01:38:28.000 It's your consensus that the United States is likely to act before Israel needs to, right? 0.97

01:38:36.000 Because I think everyone here kind of says, yes, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, right?

01:38:44.000 No. I don't want anybody else to have nuclear weapons.

01:38:47.000 We should be done with that.

01:38:49.000 That's why we had the Budapest memo in 1992 to get rid of the nuclear weapons in Ukraine. 0.58

01:38:56.000 That didn't actually go so great for us as it turns out.

01:39:02.000 No. Clearly.

01:39:05.000 I think we're going to go to Super Chats, right?

01:39:07.000 It's about that time.

01:39:08.000 They're going to horrify me.

01:39:09.000 I don't think they will.

01:39:11.000 I think they'll be fine.

01:39:13.000 All right, so smash the like button.

01:39:17.000 I was a little behaved today, right?

01:39:18.000 You were just the right amount of misbehaving.

01:39:21.000 I was a little more behaved than usual.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, smash the like button, share the show with your friends, go to rumble.com and become a member, and you can join us in the after show.

01:39:32.000 But right now, we're going to go ahead and read your super chat.

01:39:35.000 And we're going to start with, let's see, Konashi says first, yes, you are.

01:39:44.000 Shane H. Wilder says, Our dear Jessica, Timcast graphical extraordinaire's dog Tank, is undergoing intestinal surgery.

01:39:52.000 There is a give, send, go at Save Tank the Dog.

01:39:56.000 So if you have some money and you could give a little bit to the Give, Send, Go to save Tank.

01:40:02.000 And he had some complications too overnight.

01:40:04.000 So it's pretty touch and go.

01:40:06.000 So yeah, it's not just like surgery.

01:40:08.000 It's like he's pretty touch and go.

01:40:09.000 Yeah, so if you can help, we would appreciate it.

01:40:14.000 Let's see.

01:40:17.000 Dave Bricken says, Happy belated born on Phil.

01:40:19.000 Congratulations on your noon, soon-to-be child.

01:40:21.000 May he, she grow strong and intelligent.

01:40:23.000 He will be an asset to society, I'm sure, and I thank you very much for the kudos.

01:40:30.000 You're going to be an old man, Dad. 0.99

01:40:32.000 I'm comfortable with that.

01:40:33.000 Let me tell you how exhausting it is.

01:40:34.000 The older you get, the more tired you get.

01:40:36.000 Well, you know, look, I'm the age that I am, and I can't do anything about it.

01:40:39.000 You're active.

01:40:40.000 I had my son when I was old, and, you know.

01:40:44.000 Now I'm way older.

01:40:45.000 I was married once and my ex-wife couldn't have kids, so this is what I got.

01:40:51.000 Just have tons of babies, who cares? 1.00

01:40:53.000 As many as possible.

01:40:55.000 Have another one next year.

01:40:56.000 Alright, so...

01:41:02.000 Hitchhiker of Texas says, way to go, Phil, way to go, Phil, on the panel.

01:41:07.000 Thank you very much.

01:41:08.000 Angry Marsupial says, Phil, no offense, you are objectively the least attractive person on the panel tonight.

01:41:14.000 I'd say you're the most aggressive, but, you know, Philly and all.

01:41:18.000 See? And yes, you're right, I am the least attractive.

01:41:21.000 I'm working on it.

01:41:22.000 I keep saying that I'm trying to work on being less masculine, more feminine.

01:41:25.000 It just comes out.

01:41:27.000 I completely understand this struggle.

01:41:28.000 It just comes out, yeah.

01:41:29.000 I just really figure if I do enough yoga, then we'll be so zen and we'll be such good people.

01:41:36.000 The effing saddle trip says, I hope Phil is having fun on ovary cast.

01:41:44.000 Oh, let's see here.

01:41:47.000 Bike Curious George, my wife and I are having our first child, a girl, on the way, and we haven't been able to agree on any names.

01:41:55.000 Seeing Libby cast earlier, I proposed the name Libby to my wife, and she loves it. 0.71

01:41:59.000 I hope Libby doesn't mind.

01:42:01.000 Oh, that's so sweet!

01:42:02.000 You know, my mom wanted to name me Libby, and my dad was against it, and he said she needs a real name, so my actual name is Elizabeth.

01:42:10.000 I love the name Elizabeth, but it's part of my first name.

01:42:12.000 Everyone calls me...

01:42:13.000 Lisa Elizabeth.

01:42:14.000 Yeah, everyone calls me Libby and has for my whole life, but...

01:42:16.000 Libby's great.

01:42:17.000 I can always have an official name if I need to.

01:42:20.000 Uh... MiniMat400 says, Hey, Phil, welcome to the Viewcast tonight.

01:42:25.000 Loving this discourse in action.

01:42:27.000 I knew they were gonna say...

01:42:28.000 Wait, which one of us is Whoopi Goldberg?

01:42:30.000 Oh, none of you.

01:42:32.000 Look at Phil looking right at me.

01:42:33.000 None of you.

01:42:34.000 None of you are Whoopi Goldberg.

01:42:35.000 It's Phil.

01:42:36.000 Wait a minute, what?

01:42:38.000 I hear I'm being nice.

01:42:40.000 Libby just tosses me right under the bus. 1.00

01:42:43.000 Let's see here. 0.96

01:42:49.000 BigHookaPGH says, Don't make the black kids angry by Colin Flaherty.

01:42:54.000 Explains why this is happening.

01:42:55.000 Also, Scott Adams is right.

01:42:57.000 That's a little spicy, huh?

01:42:59.000 That's probably my fault.

01:43:01.000 Well, you know, you draw in the undesirables, apparently.

01:43:05.000 Remember that I just...

01:43:07.000 Talk truth stuff.

01:43:08.000 Hitchhiker Fox says there is no intelligence in the intelligent community.

01:43:11.000 I don't know if I'd agree with that.

01:43:14.000 There's some pretty smart people in the intelligent community.

01:43:16.000 They get some big brains.

01:43:18.000 Let's see here.

01:43:22.000 Not a bot says we already know more about this shooter than the Elephant Man shooter who almost got Trump in Pennsylvania.

01:43:30.000 That is...

01:43:32.000 That is true.

01:43:33.000 It's kind of funny that he calls him the Elephant Man shooter because he kind of did look like the Elephant Man.

01:43:39.000 Do you guys have any sense that the...

01:43:41.000 That was a really weird op and it was definitely an inside job.

01:43:44.000 I don't care.

01:43:45.000 Something was weird about that.

01:43:46.000 Yeah, or else we'd know more about it.

01:43:47.000 He'd wiped his whole house like it was all clean and sterilized and there was missing silverware.

01:43:51.000 It's very bizarre.

01:43:52.000 It's giving the Vegas shooter from years ago where they just...

01:43:56.000 It's like no follow-up?

01:43:58.000 Are you kidding?

01:43:59.000 Yeah. I don't know.

01:44:00.000 It is weird.

01:44:01.000 They don't want us to know something.

01:44:02.000 Isn't that like the deadliest mass shooting in American history?

01:44:04.000 Yeah. The Vegas one?

01:44:05.000 Yeah. We had nothing about that either.

01:44:07.000 No. I...

01:44:09.000 I don't...

01:44:11.000 This is what the CIA should not be doing.

01:44:13.000 Definitely not.

01:44:13.000 I don't think that's...

01:44:14.000 I don't think CIA did that.

01:44:16.000 But... I think they have a hand in everything.

01:44:18.000 Oh, I don't.

01:44:19.000 I think they have a hand in a way more than you think we do.

01:44:22.000 Clowns in action?

01:44:23.000 No. No. 0.98

01:44:24.000 No. They...

01:44:25.000 They're... It's my opinion that they are far more the Bay of Pigs CIA than the CIA that people imagine does amazing things.

01:44:38.000 It takes a lot to have successful operations that people think they do.

01:44:45.000 Look at how many times they tried to kill Castro.

01:44:49.000 And blew it every time. 0.56

01:44:51.000 Over and over and over and over.

01:44:53.000 They also tried to shoot JFK a number of times too and they finally got it right. 1.00

01:44:56.000 I don't know that that's true either.

01:44:57.000 There was reports of other attempts prior to that in multiple locations in Florida, in Chicago, and other places.

01:45:05.000 Well, maybe.

01:45:06.000 So, I don't have any...

01:45:08.000 I have no sense of that because I haven't heard it.

01:45:10.000 That's the first time I've ever heard it.

01:45:12.000 I went on a rabbit hole down that too recently.

01:45:14.000 Like I said, I've been down rabbit holes.

01:45:18.000 I'm being the stay-at-home mom thing.

01:45:19.000 Think about how they behaved regarding Castro who was only 90 miles off.

01:45:25.000 It's communists in our backyard.

01:45:27.000 They had nuclear weapons aimed at D.C. There was as much motivation as you could possibly get for the CIA to take Castro out, and he just lived forever, and there's still communists down there.

01:45:41.000 So I do think that they have been successful in the past, but I think largely they are the clowns in action CIA as opposed to the big, bad. 0.94

01:45:51.000 That's comforting. 0.92

01:45:52.000 Pardon me?

01:45:53.000 It's comforting.

01:45:53.000 Maybe. Let's see.

01:45:56.000 Kane Abel says, I saw horror movies as a little kid and up to my old age.

01:46:01.000 I don't think, is what he's probably said, I don't think gore is the problem.

01:46:05.000 I think they are not raised by parents, mostly don't have a father figure in their lives.

01:46:09.000 I mean, that's the...

01:46:12.000 Continued given narrative?

01:46:14.000 Is that the sense that you guys have?

01:46:16.000 That it's all family?

01:46:17.000 No, it can't be.

01:46:19.000 Well, here's...

01:46:20.000 No, it's like people have to come from two-parent households, right? 1.00

01:46:24.000 Being a teenager sucks. 1.00

01:46:26.000 Like, it just sucks. 1.00

01:46:27.000 You ask a lot of questions about the world. 0.99

01:46:29.000 You feel awkward in your body.

01:46:31.000 You go online.

01:46:32.000 You stumble down a rabbit hole through gore.

01:46:35.000 I'm not saying that's, like, the only thing that does it, but...

01:46:39.000 Yes, but that's the secondary thing because they're not getting the proper attention, stimulus, and things like that from their parents at home.

01:46:46.000 Or if it's one parent, if it's parents that are absent, if it's parents giving them iPads instead of books to read or taking them out to the playground or hiking or whatever.

01:46:55.000 And so that is the foundation that they don't have this family, they don't have God, they don't have this structure or this morality.

01:47:02.000 And then they fall into those things.

01:47:04.000 And then comes the rap or then comes the gore.

01:47:07.000 But it is not the...

01:47:08.000 Original problem.

01:47:09.000 It's like...

01:47:10.000 They go asking questions.

01:47:11.000 It's the icing on the cake type of thing.

01:47:14.000 That's what I think.

01:47:17.000 Soapy Anima says, check out the Boonies HQ Discord. 0.99

01:47:20.000 We're trying to grow the community.

01:47:21.000 And then, as an actual follow-up to this one, Hal Gailey says, gore is one thing, malice and sadism another.

01:47:30.000 Exposure is secondary to identifying with it.

01:47:33.000 There are signs of such tendencies long before it erupts.

01:47:36.000 So... It sounds like he's saying that the behaviors are kind of built in and that there are things that may help bring it out, but there are people that are predisposed to it.

01:47:51.000 This has been around forever.

01:47:53.000 Did you guys read Marquis de Sade?

01:47:54.000 Mm-hmm.

01:47:55.000 Julia? You know, this stuff has been around for a while, right?

01:48:00.000 But... Not to mention all the rest of French literature.

01:48:03.000 Oof! But in general, I remember reading that.

01:48:05.000 I was like, this is...

01:48:06.000 A lot.

01:48:07.000 Okay. But, like, you have to have that emptiness that you're kind of filling with some radical stuff to, like, because I read it.

01:48:18.000 I'm not out there doing any of that, right?

01:48:20.000 But other kids or other people who may not have some stronger foundation, I don't even say I'm perfect.

01:48:25.000 I could have easily fell into any stuff.

01:48:28.000 But, like, it's really that lack of moral foundation, I think, that...

01:48:32.000 Is the root cause, and that is just an add-on, or they may have some tendencies, and without proper guidance and access to these things, it metastasizes.

01:48:42.000 And there's just bad people.

01:48:45.000 People talk about nature versus nurture, and obviously it's both.

01:48:49.000 Obviously it's both.

01:48:51.000 But the uptick has to be explained.

01:48:54.000 I don't even know if it's an uptick.

01:48:56.000 I think it's just that we are existing now, and so we look at everything that is happening now as the ultimate, you know, crux of history.

01:49:06.000 And it just isn't.

01:49:08.000 There's also the availability heuristic, right?

01:49:09.000 There was way more violence in...

01:49:12.000 The Middle Ages than there is now. 0.95

01:49:13.000 There was way more violence in the early Americas than there is now.

01:49:16.000 There was child sacrifice.

01:49:18.000 Sure. And maybe we are.

01:49:20.000 And maybe we're exactly the same as the Crusaders.

01:49:22.000 You know, when you look at letters home from war from the Crusades and you look at letters home from Civil War, like, they're the same letters.

01:49:31.000 It's the same.

01:49:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:33.000 Human beings haven't changed very much.

01:49:35.000 We just have more stuff.

01:49:38.000 And in a lot of ways, we are extremely less violent than we used to be.

01:49:43.000 And that's why every incidence of violence strikes us so profoundly.

01:49:47.000 These things didn't used to be profound, like your sister would get raped and your cousin would get murdered and there'd be duels.

01:49:54.000 We didn't have boys thinking they were girls and we didn't have the level of any of this.

01:49:59.000 Sure, so now we have this weird social stuff as well, but Alexander Hamilton's son literally died in a duel over dishonor.

01:50:05.000 I like that.

01:50:07.000 Alexander Hamilton fought in a duel over dishonor and with Aaron Burr, and he was killed as well.

01:50:12.000 So we've had this kind of violence, and it's been much more severe for most of human history.

01:50:21.000 We're in a shockingly peaceful era, but we see every incidence of violence as some horror because it interrupts our peaceful existence.

01:50:31.000 But we have a peaceful existence, right?

01:50:34.000 I mean, we don't have turrets on our homes.

01:50:36.000 We're not like fighting our neighbors.

01:50:38.000 Even the Hatfields and the McCoys, like that was a long time ago.

01:50:41.000 Here we are in West Virginia.

01:50:42.000 So, you know, you talk about the feud.

01:50:44.000 But anyway.

01:50:45.000 I don't know.

01:50:46.000 I mean, I've had more.

01:50:47.000 I just listed a ton of them the other day, like on my Twitter.

01:50:50.000 Like all the crimes me and my family have been like a victim of, right?

01:50:55.000 It's multiples, right?

01:50:57.000 Like, it's not tens.

01:50:59.000 It's, like, twenties, right?

01:51:00.000 And that may not be everybody in the United States' existence.

01:51:03.000 And I understand that crime happens more, but I don't think, like, one family should have, over their lifetime, 50 incidents of actual crime and some violent crime on their family.

01:51:14.000 But urban, and I think you're right.

01:51:18.000 But urban areas have literally always been more violent.

01:51:22.000 I mean, the Middle Ages.

01:51:25.000 In the Middle Ages in Europe, there have always been more violent crimes with more populations. 0.97

01:51:33.000 Of course, but it's not like...

01:51:35.000 And that's back when you would die from an ingrown toenail.

01:51:38.000 It's not like it's...

01:51:40.000 I know so many people that have been victims of crimes, and some don't even get reported, right?

01:51:48.000 I remember my grandparents living in Philadelphia, my parents living in Philadelphia, and...

01:51:56.000 There is definitely a different feeling.

01:52:00.000 There's definitely an uptick in these things.

01:52:04.000 These things didn't happen to my grandmother.

01:52:07.000 She lived in Port Richmond.

01:52:08.000 It didn't happen to them.

01:52:12.000 60 years ago, it didn't.

01:52:14.000 It didn't.

01:52:14.000 And so, yes, I can understand that, like, okay, in the grand scheme of things, in this time period, that it's less than, you know, when there were barbarians and whatever, but there is something going on.

01:52:27.000 There's a spiritual warfare going on.

01:52:29.000 There is some humanity loss, some no respect for life or respect or morals or any of that.

01:52:37.000 There is that uptick, and I just feel like...

01:52:40.000 If you're denying that, not that you're excusing it away, but you have to really see that there is a problem here.

01:52:47.000 That's all.

01:52:48.000 Alright, well...

01:52:49.000 Call Sign Ewok says, Sorry Libby, you're wrong about MS-13.

01:52:54.000 It was started by El Salvadorian refugee teenagers who were getting it beat up by others' local gangs.

01:53:01.000 The teens were into Black Sabbath and made the devil horns part of their gangsta.

01:53:05.000 I thought it came to be in a prison.

01:53:08.000 Well, I don't think they were violent at first, because when I was reading up on this earlier, in the 80s, some El Salvadorian teens who had escaped the Civil War back home...

01:53:18.000 We're just like hanging out, drinking, smoking, listening to heavy metal, and then eventually needed to start defending themselves.

01:53:25.000 And then in the 90s, this guy who had been trained by Green Berets came over and militarized everybody, you know?

01:53:33.000 Well, I was half right, because it did back of origin in Los Angeles.

01:53:37.000 Okay. Yeah.

01:53:41.000 New guys don't haze me.

01:53:45.000 Where'd it go?

01:53:49.000 NewGuysDon'tHazeMe says Rip Phil if he says calm down at all during this episode.

01:53:54.000 I'll tell Lisa to calm down. 0.99

01:53:56.000 Yeah, he can tell me that.

01:53:56.000 Without any fear.

01:53:57.000 Yeah, no.

01:53:58.000 I don't know about these two, but Lisa. 0.97

01:54:00.000 Yeah, we're good.

01:54:03.000 Let's see here.

01:54:04.000 Relax, Lisa.

01:54:05.000 Relax. Settle down.

01:54:08.000 I think that's funny, actually.

01:54:11.000 Cat318 says What has happened to these kids in Texas?

01:54:14.000 The family of Carmelo Anthony has taken the money raised for his kids' defense and bought cars in 800K houses.

01:54:20.000 Okay, I'm going to kind of defend this kid.

01:54:22.000 That didn't happen.

01:54:23.000 Yeah, they didn't actually buy an $800,000 house.

01:54:26.000 The house they're renting, and it is a nice house, but they're renting the house so that way they have a place that is not where they used to live because of all the...

01:54:40.000 Publicity surrounding the trial and stuff.

01:54:43.000 And they were already in a nice house from what I understand.

01:54:45.000 He already owned a nice house.

01:54:47.000 They're renting this house.

01:54:48.000 They're not from the hood, right?

01:54:51.000 These are suburban kids.

01:54:53.000 He does finance for a car dealership or something, but the mom's unemployed.

01:54:56.000 But apparently they still had like a $900,000 house.

01:55:00.000 I think was originally what they had.

01:55:02.000 Yes, and also they haven't been able to touch their donations yet.

01:55:06.000 So I think it's just the internet telephone game.

01:55:10.000 Everyone was speculating, and so then it became fact.

01:55:13.000 Like when when the donations go in, they should be set up for legal defense to where they're only allowed to be paid out to the legal funds and not to.

01:55:23.000 So it doesn't look like, you know, people are getting rich on these donations.

01:55:26.000 It should only be able to go to the legal defense and then.

01:55:30.000 I don't think that the people that are donating care.

01:55:40.000 No, they don't.

01:55:41.000 They don't care at all.

01:55:42.000 No, they don't.

01:55:42.000 But I'm talking about, like, in the grand scheme of, like, what would be morally ethical, you shouldn't, like, if you're raising funds after...

01:55:51.000 You killed somebody, you shouldn't be able to use it on anything, but whatever.

01:55:54.000 What are you saying?

01:55:55.000 Nothing. I'll get a weird comment.

01:55:57.000 I'll tell you after.

01:55:59.000 Eric Bloodak says, so did anyone notice the classified doc released by the DNI that shows federal classification of gun owners as terrorists?

01:56:07.000 Check out the S2's Y report.

01:56:09.000 Yes, I did.

01:56:09.000 I actually retweeted it and retweeted a bunch of tweets about it.

01:56:16.000 Essentially, this isn't really news, though.

01:56:20.000 If you paid attention to these kind of things, you knew during the Biden administration, the Biden administration looked at gun owners as potential threats.

01:56:30.000 The Democrats more broadly want to abolish the Second Amendment and take everyone's guns.

01:56:36.000 I don't care how many times they say we respect the Second Amendment, but they don't at all.

01:56:41.000 They want to take all.

01:56:43.000 They want to get rid of.

01:56:45.000 Right now, they're going after semi-automatic.

01:56:49.000 In Colorado, there's a bill that's going to get rid of semi-automatic gas-operated rifles, which is...

01:56:56.000 Almost every semi-automatic rifle, they want to get rid of semi-autos because, well, look at what happened in Afghanistan.

01:57:03.000 The reason that the United States was never able to really subdue Afghanistan is because of rifles. 0.60

01:57:09.000 The reason that the U.S. was never able to subdue Vietnam is because of rifles.

01:57:17.000 Valkyrie... 0010 says, the 2A is meant to prevent the government from having a monopoly on violence for this reason.

01:57:24.000 Your idea that we only have the hope of legal recourse.

01:57:28.000 Aww. You know, the YouTube app just crashed, so I couldn't finish that.

01:57:34.000 So, let's see.

01:57:36.000 We got a private text message from James Klug that said...

01:57:39.000 For F's sake, move on from foreign policy.

01:57:41.000 James, hush.

01:57:44.000 Calm down, James.

01:57:46.000 Let's see.

01:57:47.000 Where'd it go?

01:57:48.000 Where'd it go?

01:57:48.000 The 2A is meant to prevent the government from having a monopoly on violence for this reason.

01:57:52.000 Your idea that we only have the hope of legal recourse is the problem.

01:57:56.000 The government must fear armed recourse if we are to be a free people.

01:58:01.000 Look, man, there are some things you can't say on YouTube.

01:58:06.000 And so with that we go to Raven Gray.

01:58:12.000 The largest extortion racket is pre-industrial Japan was conducted Buddhist monks. 1.00

01:58:19.000 Most people presuppose Buddhism equals pacifism.

01:58:23.000 I have absolutely no idea about that.

01:58:26.000 Did anybody bring up Buddhism?

01:58:28.000 I don't think so.

01:58:29.000 I didn't think so either.

01:58:30.000 We brought up yoga.

01:58:31.000 Which I said was satanic.

01:58:34.000 So, Cain Abel says, you don't need courts to tell if illegals should be deported.

01:58:38.000 You just need to check if they're citizens or not, if not, deport. 0.97

01:58:41.000 That's where I'm at, man.

01:58:43.000 Look, there are at least 10 million illegals, probably 15 or 20 million illegals that came in in the Biden administration because Joe Biden specifically said he told them to break the law.

01:58:57.000 Right? So this administration trying to fix the lawlessness of previous administrations means that we're going to have to do some things that the left isn't going to like.

01:59:08.000 But guess what?

01:59:09.000 The good news is the left isn't going to like anything that Trump does.

01:59:12.000 So it doesn't matter.

01:59:14.000 They're going to act like this.

01:59:16.000 They're going to act like it's the end of the world no matter what he does.

01:59:19.000 It's better for America if they just start rounding up the illegals and sending them home. 1.00

01:59:25.000 Let's see.

01:59:28.000 Use the federal document cave for prisons.

01:59:31.000 I mean, just file them?

01:59:36.000 Put them in the filing cabinets, you know, the caves that they had, the documents that Doge found.

01:59:45.000 If you wanted people to retire, there were only so many people that could retire because they had to use the cave to file the stuff.

01:59:52.000 So I guess we're just going to start filing criminals now.

01:59:55.000 Oh my gosh.

01:59:56.000 Let's see.

01:59:58.000 Last one here. 0.98

01:59:59.000 War pig snore. 0.99

02:00:00.000 No man wants to hear a bunch of women yapping about politics when they can't get drafted. 1.00

02:00:05.000 There you go.

02:00:06.000 Kind of agree.

02:00:07.000 Calm down.

02:00:08.000 I'm fine.

02:00:11.000 It's funny because somebody was like, Lisa wants everybody to stay home and make babies and here she is yapping and talking to everybody.

02:00:16.000 Yeah, true.

02:00:17.000 Like, I know.

02:00:17.000 I'm very aware of my hypocrisy here.

02:00:20.000 Alright, I told you.

02:00:21.000 You were going to have plenty to say.

02:00:22.000 I really didn't think I was going to have anything to say.

02:00:24.000 Of course you didn't think that, but you don't think that you have much to say anytime.

02:00:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:28.000 Alright, smash the like button.

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02:00:56.000 And then we'll go on over to the callers from the Discord.

02:01:00.000 So, Maggie, you want to shout anything out?

02:01:03.000 Yeah, go follow me on X at Maggie Moda and on YouTube at Undoctrination.

02:01:07.000 Thank you guys so much for having me today.

02:01:11.000 Come on, come on, come on. 0.97

02:01:13.000 Tomorrow, watch The Culture War.

02:01:15.000 We're moving the time again.

02:01:17.000 It will be going forward 12 to 12 p.m. to 2 p.m.

02:01:22.000 Tomorrow we have on...

02:01:24.000 Is Angry Cops coming?

02:01:26.000 Angry Cops.

02:01:28.000 Richard, I love you.

02:01:30.000 Andrew Branca.

02:01:31.000 Uh-huh.

02:01:32.000 Awesome. That's the law of self-defense on Twitter, right?

02:01:35.000 Correct. And the guy from The Gifts and Go, Jacob Wells.

02:01:38.000 Awesome. So we're going to be talking all about this case.

02:01:43.000 Tim will be talking about if it's self-defense or not.

02:01:46.000 I wish that I was going to be here.

02:01:47.000 I would definitely come if I wasn't going to be here.

02:01:49.000 It's going to be very interesting for sure.

02:01:51.000 So tune into that if you care what I have to say.

02:01:54.000 I don't really tweet all the time, but if you want to follow me, it's Lisa Elizabeth on Twitter.

02:01:58.000 They're spicy.

02:01:58.000 You should follow her.

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02:02:21.000 She is.

02:02:22.000 Let's go.

02:02:23.000 She's awesome. 0.83

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02:02:27.000 You can follow me there.

02:02:28.000 So check out the Culture Award tomorrow and check out IRL tomorrow night.

02:02:33.000 We will see you then.

02:02:34.000 We will see you then.

02:02:35.000 Thank you.

02:05:06.000 you. Thank you.

02:05:09.000 Thank you.

02:05:17.000 The girls want to talk about Katy Perry. 0.69

02:05:20.000 Yeah. I don't know what to say.

02:05:22.000 Other than she's not actually an astronaut.

02:05:24.000 Dude, I have to say this.

02:05:25.000 She's definitely not an astronaut. 1.00

02:05:26.000 I had so much fun talking about this with Laura Trump and Kay Smythe the other day on Laura Trump's show.

02:05:30.000 Kay Smythe is great.

02:05:31.000 We had so much fun.

02:05:33.000 I just met her the other day on Zoom with Laura.

02:05:37.000 And we had so much fun talking about Katy Perry.

02:05:39.000 And we were all like, girl, you're not an astronaut.

02:05:42.000 And where's your helmet?

02:05:44.000 Why are you all like wearing flowing hair and zero gravity?

02:05:47.000 What is the matter with you people?

02:05:49.000 I can't think of a worse.

02:05:50.000 I said this earlier.

02:05:51.000 Like, it would be my own personal hell to be stuck in space with four women and four women like that. 1.00

02:05:57.000 I would die. 0.97

02:05:58.000 I would die up there. 0.98

02:05:59.000 Yeah, horrible.

02:06:00.000 My actual take is I would never get into a rocket ship that does not have a man inside of it.

02:06:06.000 Like, terrifying nightmare scenario.

02:06:08.000 Well, they didn't have to press any buttons or do anything.

02:06:10.000 They didn't have to press any buttons, though.

02:06:11.000 So you would not choose the bear, then?

02:06:14.000 No, I would not choose the bear.

02:06:16.000 But yeah, I don't think I would have confidence.

02:06:19.000 I wouldn't choose the bear either, and I would just hope he was a cute guy.

02:06:21.000 However, I think the reactions to this are overblown.

02:06:26.000 And while, yes, they're doing this cringe girl boss nonsense, I think the real message here is that even a bunch of female celebrities... 1.00

02:06:38.000 That have no business being in a rocket ship can do it, which means all of us can do it.

02:06:43.000 Didn't they all pay?

02:06:43.000 If we have the money to.

02:06:45.000 Didn't they all pay?

02:06:46.000 I think this is great.

02:06:47.000 Do you have any desire to go to space?

02:06:48.000 I think it's great.

02:06:50.000 I used to really want to go to space, and I wanted to be an astronaut, and I thought that would be really cool.

02:06:54.000 You're smart enough to do it.

02:06:55.000 And I'd want to, like, travel around the galaxy.

02:06:57.000 And then I realized how long it would take and how you wouldn't really come home.

02:07:00.000 And also, I would miss, like, sunlight and stuff.

02:07:04.000 And I don't like...

02:07:05.000 That space ice cream that you could get at the Franklin Institute?

02:07:07.000 I don't like it.

02:07:09.000 So, I love this for a few reasons.

02:07:12.000 Most of them are lampooning it.

02:07:13.000 And I just don't want to pee in a tube.

02:07:16.000 Wait, do you have to pee in a tube?

02:07:17.000 Yeah. Otherwise, there'd be drops of pee everywhere.

02:07:22.000 It'd be horrible.

02:07:23.000 I'm sorry, no.

02:07:26.000 Never mind how NASA sent thousands of tampons up there in the space station just so that they'd be available.

02:07:32.000 That's hilarious.

02:07:34.000 Having your period in space seems really bad.

02:07:36.000 Oh my god, yeah.

02:07:37.000 No, thank you.

02:07:38.000 But this kind of little...

02:07:40.000 Doesn't gravity have an effect on your period? 0.98

02:07:43.000 How the fuck do I know? 0.97

02:07:45.000 Probably. I mean, sure, because of the moon, and the moon, and the tides, and whatever. 0.97

02:07:49.000 I don't mean on your cycle.

02:07:50.000 I mean, like, on the function of your body.

02:07:54.000 I think it would still hurt, and now you'd be in space, and you'd be bleeding in space.

02:07:58.000 Oh my god, why are we talking about racist?

02:07:59.000 That'd be horrible.

02:08:00.000 She's the one who brought up too much.

02:08:02.000 Anyways, okay, so the reason I think this is good.

02:08:04.000 The reason I think this is good is because it was actually, like, all the work was done by men.

02:08:13.000 And women took the credit. 0.95

02:08:14.000 And I think that that's emblematic of reality and I think is hilarious.

02:08:19.000 Can we just say that like going in submarines and paying to go in submarines and paying to go in space are like ridiculous ideas and like just like why does everybody need to be extraordinary?

02:08:30.000 I love it. 0.99

02:08:31.000 I mean it's like speeding down the highway like that shit's fun. 0.98

02:08:34.000 Can't we just like find some like amazingness in like the... 0.97

02:08:38.000 Not everybody's going to be extraordinary.

02:08:41.000 That's why you need extraordinary Katy Perry to go to space. 0.98

02:08:46.000 It's like Apollonian.

02:08:47.000 You're quite literally reaching for the stars.

02:08:50.000 I think I want American culture to aim for...

02:08:56.000 For New Heights, you know, I don't want us to start backtracking, which we were doing with our space programs.

02:09:02.000 Yeah, you have all these people like for years being like, why do we need to go to space when there's people hungry on Earth?

02:09:08.000 And it's like, because you need dreams.

02:09:09.000 You need to reach for stars.

02:09:10.000 And one thing I will say that I think is pretty damn cool is...

02:09:15.000 We're the only country on Earth with not one but two private space companies.

02:09:20.000 That means NASA was insanely successful.

02:09:24.000 What an amazing project NASA was.

02:09:26.000 And we funded that with tax dollars.

02:09:27.000 And now we have private space enterprise.

02:09:30.000 And that's cool.

02:09:31.000 And before you know it, somebody's going to be out there mining that asteroid belt.

02:09:36.000 Spicier show, please?

02:09:37.000 I don't even know what that means.

02:09:39.000 What do you want us to say?

02:09:39.000 But anyway, somebody's going to be out there riding that asteroid belt, and that's going to be really cool, and we'll make it to Enceladus, the ice moon.

02:09:47.000 I mean, there's so much potential.

02:09:49.000 Do you guys think we're going to become multi-planetary?

02:09:53.000 Yes. I'm so stoked.

02:09:55.000 I want that.

02:09:56.000 I can't wait.

02:09:56.000 I want to do colonization in space.

02:09:58.000 Yes. I'm such a Luddite, no.

02:10:02.000 So I think that, honestly, I think that the idea of going to Mars is a good idea.

02:10:06.000 It's a good aspirational idea.

02:10:08.000 I honestly think that we should have more space stations and an outpost on the moon that people inhabit first.

02:10:21.000 I'm not sure why he's going to Mars first.

02:10:25.000 It's not like Mars is significantly more hospitable in the moon.

02:10:29.000 At least it has an atmosphere, doesn't it?

02:10:31.000 I mean, yeah, but it's like...

02:10:32.000 Wouldn't Venus be better? 0.93

02:10:34.000 Well, Venus is all poison gases you can't get anywhere near Venus.

02:10:37.000 The pressure on the surface of Venus, you can't...

02:10:39.000 There's only been like one or two probes that have gone to Venus because as soon as they get...

02:10:43.000 They get crushed.

02:10:43.000 They get crushed or if they make it to the ground.

02:10:46.000 There's like only one or two pictures of the surface of Venus because the atmosphere is so acidic it just melts stuff.

02:10:52.000 It's not at all.

02:10:53.000 Good. You're not happening.

02:10:55.000 I've got my planets mixed up.

02:10:56.000 Well, I mean, it's because Mars is the next planet out.

02:10:59.000 That's why he's doing it.

02:11:01.000 The moon is not a planet.

02:11:02.000 We already know a lot about the moon, and it's certainly not somewhere you could set up potentially a colony, although there have been a lot of books about that.

02:11:10.000 I remember this great, like, tween books that I used to read about colonies on Mars.

02:11:15.000 Have you read Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles?

02:11:20.000 One of my favorite books of all time.

02:11:22.000 Yeah, really cool.

02:11:23.000 I read Thomas Hardy from 1820, 1860.

02:11:28.000 I'm so old.

02:11:30.000 I think all of these celebrity women who aren't in the news cycle, who are complaining, are just jealous that they weren't in space. 1.00

02:11:40.000 I don't think that's it.

02:11:42.000 I think it's weird and it's cringe.

02:11:45.000 I don't think it's weird.

02:11:46.000 I'm definitely not jealous.

02:11:47.000 I would tell you if I was jealous. 0.98

02:11:49.000 I mean, I think it's cringe and stupid that these ladies went to space, and I think it's probably a little bit of a waste of resources. 1.00

02:11:57.000 But I do think it's cool that we have the resources. 0.98

02:11:59.000 I do think personalized spaceflight is awesome.

02:12:04.000 Yeah. And this is showing people...

02:12:06.000 And I think it's cool that we have, like, mega-billionaires who are like, I want to be a rocket man, and then they just go build rockets.

02:12:11.000 Just do it.

02:12:12.000 Yeah. I did that.

02:12:13.000 I think so, too.

02:12:15.000 And I think...

02:12:16.000 I like this flight specifically because it does show people that they're capable of doing this.

02:12:23.000 There's a double meaning here. 1.00

02:12:26.000 Even the stupidest chicks can go to space. 1.00

02:12:29.000 What they're saying it means is, oh my gosh, girls can do it too. 1.00

02:12:33.000 Even the dumbest ones. 1.00

02:12:35.000 Oh my gosh. 1.00

02:12:36.000 Literally, they can do it too.

02:12:39.000 You can do it.

02:12:40.000 Don't worry.

02:12:42.000 Like, look, we can put dogs into space.

02:12:44.000 I was just going to say, your dog can do it.

02:12:45.000 I'll send Charlie to space.

02:12:47.000 If you can put dogs in space, you can put celebrity women in space. 1.00

02:12:51.000 I think it's awesome.

02:12:51.000 And look, there are plenty of capable female astronauts that are actually smart and actually talented, these notwithstanding.

02:13:00.000 But we're going to go ahead and wrap this up and go to your calls.

02:13:05.000 Got to take callers.

02:13:07.000 Yeah, you can go to TimCast.com and become a member there, and you will be able to call in and ask questions of us and the guests yourself.

02:13:18.000 So... What?

02:13:20.000 We're in a gate right now.

02:13:21.000 In a gate?

02:13:21.000 We're in a gate to the chat right now.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 18, 2025

MASS SHOOTING At Florida State, Anti Trump Rumors ERUPT, MANGIONE EFFECT w- Maggie Moda| Timcast IRL

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