Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - MS-13 Story BURNS Democrats, Media PANICS Tries To Get Off Immigration Story | Timcast IRL

00:02:29.000 So four more Democrats are flying down to El Salvador and this is not good news.

00:02:34.000 Already Democrat Senator Chris Van Hollen is backing away from his support of Abrego Garcia saying he's not vouching for the guy.

00:02:41.000 He's just concerned about due process.

00:02:44.000 Despite the fact that previously the dude almost referred to the guy as an American.

00:02:48.000 That's how insane they've been getting.

00:02:49.000 This story is eating Democrats up because most Americans don't want illegal immigrants here and they want them deported.

00:02:56.000 Now you can take a look at CNN.

00:02:57.000 You can take a look at Echelon Insights.

00:02:59.000 But we got a poll from Pew, 83% of Americans want deportations.

00:03:04.000 Not all, but at least to a degree, right?

00:03:07.000 So you'd argue, when you're talking about who you want deported, how about wife beating MS-13 gang members?

00:03:12.000 Is that on your list?

00:03:13.000 Probably most Americans are okay with this person being deported.

00:03:16.000 So now we're seeing the Democrats try to shift away and the media trying to pick up another story.

00:03:22.000 Pete Hegseth.

00:03:24.000 He may be getting fired, they claim, in rumors based on one anonymous person, even though Trump said he's not going to fire the guy.

00:03:30.000 And they're claiming that there's another signal gate happening with no evidence.

00:03:35.000 They are so desperate to get off this story, it seems, they're trying to go back to an old one.

00:03:41.000 So we're going to talk about that, plus a bunch of other stories from the day.

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00:05:36.000 It looks like for the Culture War Live events, we've got our lineup set.

00:05:42.000 Will Chamberlain versus Pisco Liddy debating the Abrego Garcia case with actual legal documents.

00:05:50.000 And this Culture War Live will be May 3rd.

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00:06:15.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tara Palmieri.

00:06:19.000 Hey, Tim.

00:06:20.000 Thanks for having me.

00:06:22.000 Yes, who are you?

00:06:22.000 It's great to be here in West Virginia.

00:06:24.000 I kept thinking of that, like, John Denver song, which I love.

00:06:28.000 Who am I?

00:06:29.000 I am a journalist that has gone independent.

00:06:31.000 I've worked for 15 years everywhere from the Washington Examiner and the New York Post to ABC News where I was a White House correspondent.

00:06:39.000 I've been in new media at Puck.

00:06:41.000 I spent a year and a half just investigating the Jeffrey Epstein crime and doing podcasts on that.

00:06:47.000 I just had a podcast, a political one, on the Ringer Network with Bill Simmons.

00:06:52.000 So I've just decided I am going to try to follow your footsteps and try to create.

00:06:57.000 A media empire.

00:06:59.000 I'm a little minnow next to you, but thanks for having me.

00:07:01.000 Tell your boss that you quit.

00:07:02.000 I already did it.

00:07:03.000 Because you know what?

00:07:04.000 Like you, just say, I quit.

00:07:06.000 I'm doing it on my own.

00:07:07.000 I think you have to bet on yourself in life.

00:07:09.000 Let's go!

00:07:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:11.000 So thanks for having me.

00:07:12.000 I really appreciate it.

00:07:13.000 It's going to be fun.

00:07:14.000 Elad is here.

00:07:14.000 Hey everybody, good evening.

00:07:16.000 I am Elad Eliyahu, Tim Kass, White House correspondent.

00:07:19.000 Tara, I'm really excited to hear from somebody with so much experience in the journalism space, both establishment and now in the new media space.

00:07:27.000 And it's just funny seeing the old media people saying they look up to Tim now.

00:07:31.000 Crazy how things work.

00:07:32.000 But is this confirmed, the press pool for tomorrow?

00:07:35.000 It is confirmed.

00:07:36.000 You're on it?

00:07:36.000 We can announce that?

00:07:38.000 I'll be in the pool with Donald Trump and I believe you'll be in the new media seat tomorrow.

00:07:43.000 If there is one.

00:07:44.000 Are we supposed to say that?

00:07:46.000 A briefing.

00:07:47.000 If there is one.

00:07:48.000 I don't know that we're supposed to say that, are we?

00:07:50.000 Well, we don't know if there would...

00:07:53.000 How's it going over there?

00:07:54.000 Breaking news.

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00:07:59.000 I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live.

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00:08:04.000 What is up, Phil?

00:08:05.000 Hello, everybody.

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00:08:11.000 Let's get into it.

00:08:12.000 Here we go from Media-ites.

00:08:14.000 Democrat senator tells Fox News he's not vouching for the man in a Brego Garcia case and will support a court deporting him.

00:08:21.000 Now, this is a huge turnaround from a guy who dang near nearly called him an American and then and stopped himself and then called him a resident.

00:08:30.000 And with the media screaming to the high heavens, Maryland father, for a Democrat senator who was leading the charge to come out, be like, I'm not vouching for the guy and I'm OK with him being deported now.

00:08:40.000 Wow. Talk about a heavy 180.

00:08:43.000 Now, the issue for Democrats, Democratic Senator Van Hollen is simply the issue of due process.

00:08:48.000 Not the MS-13 gang member accused of mercilessly beating his wife on more than one occasion.

00:08:53.000 I think it's fair to say that they walked face first into this one.

00:08:56.000 And here's the best part.

00:08:57.000 Four more Democrats are going down there.

00:09:01.000 I don't know what they're thinking with this.

00:09:04.000 We are going to be having a debate in the culture war going over all the legal documents, which I believe shows he's gotten his due process.

00:09:11.000 But the American people like, of all of the things Trump has done, immigration is his most popular issue.

00:09:18.000 Why are they setting themselves up like this?

00:09:21.000 To make me laugh because I needed a good chuckle.

00:09:25.000 Democrats are sitting back and they're like, what can we do that'll make Phil laugh today?

00:09:29.000 Absolutely. I mean, it's hilarious.

00:09:31.000 They're falling over themselves, siding with the worst people that are here.

00:09:37.000 Their whole story is irredeemable.

00:09:40.000 Like, he's here illegally.

00:09:41.000 He's probably a member or he's...

00:09:44.000 He's alleged to be a member of a gang, but it's been multiple courts that have said it, I believe.

00:09:48.000 And I don't remember what the other person or the other organization that made allegations that he's in a gang, but they're reputable organizations.

00:09:55.000 There's his ex-girlfriend has filed charges or at least made claims of abuse.

00:10:03.000 Ex-girlfriend did? 0.99

00:10:04.000 I don't remember if it was his wife.

00:10:05.000 Oh, it's his wife.

00:10:06.000 Okay, my bad.

00:10:06.000 All right, so fair enough, fair enough.

00:10:09.000 But this only goes to my point.

00:10:10.000 He is totally...

00:10:12.000 You're describing the Democrats' favorite voter.

00:10:15.000 Wait, wait, Shane, Shane, do you want to read the first sentence of that paragraph right there?

00:10:19.000 Let me get my old man glasses on.

00:10:20.000 Old man glasses, just starting with at.

00:10:22.000 At a master calendar hearing, the respondent, through counsel, admitted the factual allegations contained in the NTA and conceded removability as charged.

00:10:32.000 Should I keep going?

00:10:33.000 Based on the respondent's admissions and concessions, the court found his removability to be established by clear and convincing evidence as required by INA 240C3.

00:10:44.000 So this is the document from 2019, August 9th and September 27th, where they again confirmed he was to be removed.

00:10:54.000 However, not to El Salvador because a gang in Guatemala was threatening to kill him.

00:11:01.000 This is the story.

00:11:03.000 A Guatemalan gang was threatening his family, and they didn't feel that they could be protected in El Salvador.

00:11:08.000 Now, the question, the only question that needs to be asked based on this is, can he be deported somewhere else?

00:11:15.000 The answer is yes, of course.

00:11:16.000 And so then the error that the Trump administration made, they were supposed to have a USCIS interview with Abrego Garcia before sending him home.

00:11:25.000 And they didn't.

00:11:26.000 But on the Alien Enemies Act, he was allowed to do it.

00:11:28.000 So, you know, I feel like this horse, I would argue that we've beaten the dead horse on this story, but Democrats won't shut up about it.

00:11:36.000 So let me just say we've ground the horse into glue at this point, because I don't know how many times we need to point out that this guy was found deportable, credibly an MS-13 gang member, now accused of beating his wife.

00:11:48.000 And I guess I'll put it this way.

00:11:50.000 We could have opened this show with the Hegseth signal gate story.

00:11:54.000 But we'll get to that.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, but it's a big story.

00:11:57.000 It's not.

00:11:58.000 The second signal gate.

00:11:59.000 No. The fake story.

00:12:00.000 The story about how the Department of Defense is a total mess.

00:12:04.000 I mean, his former spokesperson is saying, you know, on the record that—what exactly did he say?

00:12:09.000 A month from hell inside of the Department of Defense?

00:12:11.000 That's concerning.

00:12:12.000 And this is a guy who worked for Trump in 2016, too.

00:12:14.000 This is not just some, like, lefty spokesperson that he inherited from the civil service.

00:12:18.000 This is a true MAGA believer who was like— Oh, come on!

00:12:22.000 Who else worked for Trump in 2016?

00:12:24.000 And there are a number of other people have come out.

00:12:26.000 In his 2016 term, 2017.

00:12:28.000 Why would he have hired him to be his chief Pentagon spokesperson and lead the communications at the NSA if he didn't believe that this guy was legit?

00:12:35.000 Why were there three people leaking information to the press?

00:12:38.000 Listen. You've got to take this seriously.

00:12:40.000 Allegedly, in the article, was he a chief of staff?

00:12:44.000 He was the chief Pentagon spokesperson until two weeks ago.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, he wrote an op-ed in Politico where he actually denied the three advisors that they ever leaked anything.

00:12:55.000 So I want to add allegedly here because I do feel like lawsuits are coming.

00:12:59.000 Good point.

00:13:00.000 Allegedly. All of this is very much allegedly.

00:13:04.000 And all this is also allegedly because they...

00:13:07.000 Allegedly leaked documents about attacking Iran to try to preempt and try to prevent the strike by leaking it out there early.

00:13:14.000 And that could be a part of the problem at the Pentagon.

00:13:18.000 But it is unusual for this guy to be resigning or probably fired and told to resign and then have this happen.

00:13:26.000 I don't think we'll see any shakeups there.

00:13:28.000 What are your thoughts on the Brego Garcia story then?

00:13:31.000 On this story?

00:13:32.000 I mean...

00:13:32.000 It is a hard one because I do think that politically— No, no.

00:13:37.000 I think it's politically, you're right, that the immigration story is on Trump's side.

00:13:44.000 I mean, he was elected to seal off the border, deportations.

00:13:47.000 I think the due process is the part that the Democrats are arguing about.

00:13:52.000 Like, they want to make sure that there is due process and obviously the halting.

00:13:56.000 This is the guy who was— The hairdresser, right?

00:13:59.000 The makeup artist?

00:14:00.000 No. It's the wife beating MS-13 gang member.

00:14:02.000 Got it.

00:14:03.000 All right, then.

00:14:04.000 I'm not fully up to date on this one.

00:14:06.000 I was...

00:14:06.000 The hairdresser's a fake story, too.

00:14:08.000 Why is that one fake?

00:14:09.000 Because they're not asylum seekers. 0.94

00:14:11.000 You don't travel from Venezuela through the entirety of Central America, come to the United States and say, now I need asylum.

00:14:19.000 You go to Mexico.

00:14:20.000 You go to any other country, it's typically expected of any asylum seeker to go to the first safe country they get to.

00:14:26.000 So for Venezuela...

00:14:28.000 That was supposed to remain in Mexico under Trump.

00:14:31.000 Right. So this guy, he's like, Venezuela is dangerous for me.

00:14:34.000 I better travel through all these other countries.

00:14:37.000 I have no doubt that he tried to get into the U.S. illegally and live here illegally.

00:14:42.000 Of course.

00:14:43.000 Yeah. And then when he went through, it's an executive hearing.

00:14:49.000 We call them judges.

00:14:50.000 They said his tattoos are MS-13.

00:14:53.000 And he got deported to El Salvador.

00:14:55.000 To that...

00:14:57.000 For MS-13 gang members.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, and they confirmed that he is an MS-13 member.

00:15:01.000 So he was found to be an MS-13 gang member in the standard procedure by his crown tattoos on his wrists, which the left is arguing are just crowns and they're not MS-13.

00:15:11.000 And so I would just say...

00:15:13.000 They want him to have due process essentially, right?

00:15:15.000 What is the due process of an illegal immigrant? 0.79

00:15:17.000 I mean, I think that they have the right to immigration court, right?

00:15:20.000 And they did.

00:15:21.000 And he lost?

00:15:22.000 Yes. He is deportable and he had crowns.

00:15:24.000 And he lost during the Biden years, right?

00:15:26.000 Is that right?

00:15:26.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:15:28.000 Okay, well, I think that'd be interesting to find out.

00:15:29.000 Because, I mean, you might say, oh, the Trump administration has different criteria.

00:15:35.000 Listen, I can't really debate this one in the same way because I thought it was the Maryland hairdresser that we were talking about, our makeup artist.

00:15:42.000 He was in Maryland, was he?

00:15:43.000 Oh, the makeup artist was in California.

00:15:45.000 I don't know.

00:15:46.000 But the point is, you're right.

00:15:47.000 There's so many illegals that have come over since Joe Biden took office and stuff.

00:15:53.000 So there's probably a Maryland hairdresser that's here illegally.

00:15:56.000 So you're probably close to Maryland.

00:15:57.000 I think I'm conflating it.

00:15:59.000 I'm conflating it because, you know, this...

00:16:01.000 Yes, some Democrats are doing this, and I do question, I mean, I think there's just a fear that it's happening so quickly and so recklessly and that people are not getting their due process in the process of it, especially when they're saying we're going to support homegrown.

00:16:16.000 They are getting their due process.

00:16:18.000 Each and every one of them.

00:16:19.000 Then why would the judge halt the guy that was being deported to Venezuela?

00:16:25.000 Yeah, right.

00:16:26.000 Why are you rolling your eyes?

00:16:27.000 Okay, so here's a question for you.

00:16:29.000 He's still a judge.

00:16:30.000 Even if he's an activist judge, if you want to say that.

00:16:33.000 He's still a judge.

00:16:33.000 But Phil gave you a reason.

00:16:34.000 It's that they're political activists who are trying to obstruct Trump.

00:16:37.000 That's your answer.

00:16:38.000 Why has Trump received 40% of all universal, let me phrase, unconstitutional universal injunctions?

00:16:46.000 I mean, I think that...

00:16:47.000 81 out of like 200.

00:16:49.000 He was definitely pushing the boundaries of the Constitution.

00:16:51.000 He tried to get rid of...

00:16:53.000 What was it?

00:16:54.000 The birth...

00:16:55.000 Birthright citizenship.

00:16:56.000 Yeah, he tried to get rid of that.

00:16:57.000 He's definitely...

00:16:57.000 He didn't try.

00:16:58.000 He is actively doing so now and it's going to court.

00:17:00.000 But the point...

00:17:01.000 And the point of...

00:17:02.000 Birthright citizenship is falsely interpreted and does not exist.

00:17:06.000 He is pushing the limits of the Constitution every single day.

00:17:09.000 In what way?

00:17:10.000 I mean, with that alone.

00:17:11.000 But the Constitution says explicitly.

00:17:12.000 And also by defying a judge's order, whether you don't agree or not, you should have halted that plane and put the person down and then gone through the process.

00:17:21.000 The Supreme Court sided with him on that regard.

00:17:22.000 And the appeal.

00:17:23.000 The Supreme Court sided with him.

00:17:24.000 They allowed him to be deported.

00:17:26.000 The Supreme Court said no one can direct the executive branch to engage in foreign policy.

00:17:31.000 And so the issue was, should Abrego Garcia be returnable, they should facilitate his return.

00:17:36.000 And the argument from the conservatives is, or from Trump, that if he were to try to come back to the U.S., Trump must facilitate that return.

00:17:45.000 Otherwise, we have nothing to do with it.

00:17:46.000 But then there's just these random guys, like these German tourists that didn't have a booking in Hawaii, and they are suddenly getting deported.

00:17:54.000 I just think there's a feeling.

00:17:55.000 And then you're seeing students on the street just being muzzled, basically, and deported because of their political activity on universities.

00:18:02.000 And that's a little scary.

00:18:03.000 I'm sorry.

00:18:04.000 Why, though?

00:18:05.000 I mean, it is because, okay, first of all, you're a free speech guy.

00:18:08.000 You were out there, Occupy Wall Street.

00:18:10.000 What if you were, like, misidentified and deported and you were an American the entire time?

00:18:15.000 Have any Americans been deported?

00:18:16.000 It could happen.

00:18:18.000 Sure, and if it does, it'll be a problem, but for the time being, all the enforcement's been under the law.

00:18:22.000 But even if you're not an American, don't you think that, like, part of the rights of being in this country are free speech?

00:18:28.000 Not if you're a leader.

00:18:29.000 I don't think, I think it's scary that non-Americans are in our country calling for violence on Yeah, I mean, that's on the universities for sure.

00:18:39.000 They should be dealing with that.

00:18:40.000 So in the case of Mahmoud Khalil, this is a guy who was organizing, whether it was intentional or otherwise, violent protests where employees were attacked and threatened, buildings were taken over, Jewish students were attacked on campus.

00:18:54.000 And even people presumed to be Jewish.

00:18:56.000 Did he direct people to attack Jewish people?

00:18:58.000 It doesn't matter. 0.89

00:18:58.000 He organized the event. 0.89

00:18:59.000 So if you organize a dance party, but then your dance party robs a bank, you're getting in trouble for it.

00:19:05.000 Yeah. Maybe you're not going to be charged with robbing the bank.

00:19:07.000 They're going to say, like, whatever you were involved with.

00:19:09.000 Yeah, you're kind of a conspirator.

00:19:10.000 I was going to re-go you and you're going to jail. 0.94

00:19:12.000 I think it's rich how the Democrats have just been speed running through these different causes.

00:19:16.000 First, it was Mahmoud Khalil.

00:19:18.000 And then they means tested it quickly and realized, oh, wait, this guy isn't good for us.

00:19:22.000 Then they moved on to this most recent gang member that they said wasn't.

00:19:26.000 And have you seen his tattoos on his knuckles where they're trying to say, like, oh, he is not. 0.98

00:19:30.000 This isn't supposed to be a simple fool. 0.98

00:19:32.000 No, no, no. 0.99

00:19:32.000 This is standard operating procedure. 0.99

00:19:34.000 happens on both sides of the aisles.

00:19:36.000 They pick their political person that they get behind.

00:19:39.000 And if it's either Lake and Riley, now it's Mahutma Khalil. 0.99

00:19:42.000 I know, but this is cynical political shit that they do. 0.99

00:19:48.000 It's on both sides. 0.99

00:19:49.000 I have a problem with the both sides argument.

00:19:52.000 What do you mean?

00:19:54.000 Why is it cynical?

00:19:55.000 It's cynical because this is what they're doing.

00:19:57.000 They are taking one person's example and they're blowing it up.

00:20:00.000 But he's a legit criminal and we have...

00:20:02.000 20 million or so illegal immigrants. 0.92

00:20:05.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:20:05.000 I'm going to agree with you 100%.

00:20:07.000 Agreed. The conservatives prop up a young woman who was murdered by an illegal immigrant criminal gang member, and the Democrats prop up the criminal illegal immigrant gang member. 0.50

00:20:18.000 I know which side I'm on.

00:20:20.000 It's... Listen.

00:20:22.000 Cynical or otherwise, you're right. 0.96

00:20:23.000 The Republicans are like, this poor woman was murdered by these evil criminal gang members.

00:20:28.000 And the Democrats are like, please don't hurt our criminal illegal gang members.

00:20:32.000 Listen, I can't really argue on this topic to be completely fair with the topics.

00:20:38.000 I'm not going to argue in favor of these people because I don't even know their full history.

00:20:42.000 Take the individual specific people out of it.

00:20:44.000 Look at the people that the Democrats champion and what tends to happen.

00:20:51.000 After all of the information comes out.

00:20:53.000 The guy that they were championing that ended up getting...

00:20:58.000 What's the town?

00:21:00.000 Kenosha. Burnt down.

00:21:02.000 The man was trying to kidnap kids.

00:21:05.000 He had a knife.

00:21:06.000 The police shot him.

00:21:08.000 And then...

00:21:09.000 Kamala Harris goes and takes a woman. 0.72

00:21:10.000 Yeah, I mean, like, he's trying to kidnap kids.

00:21:12.000 He insulted them.

00:21:13.000 He had a cop.

00:21:14.000 It was a quote-unquote good shoot.

00:21:16.000 And Kamala Harris goes and takes pictures with him, right?

00:21:19.000 And the NFL players put his name on their helmet.

00:21:21.000 Yeah, George Floyd had committed a crime, right?

00:21:26.000 And he died in police custody.

00:21:28.000 I thought it was like a nothing murder.

00:21:29.000 He was chewing a speedball behind the wheel of a vehicle.

00:21:32.000 Yes. And when the police removed him, they brought him to the vehicle to be arrested.

00:21:36.000 You could watch all the body camera footage.

00:21:38.000 It's all in the video.

00:21:39.000 And he fought them.

00:21:41.000 Yeah. And he said, put me on the ground, put me on the ground, put me on the ground.

00:21:44.000 So they pulled him out of the vehicle and put him on the ground.

00:21:46.000 Did they have to kill him on the ground?

00:21:48.000 So let me finish.

00:21:48.000 A few minutes later, Derek Chauvin shows up having no idea what's going on.

00:21:53.000 And performed what the Minnesota police trained him to do because even the defense showed this in the continuum of force argument in the criminal trial for Chauvin.

00:22:02.000 He was told to do that.

00:22:04.000 So he shows up.

00:22:05.000 There's a guy on the ground.

00:22:06.000 He has no idea what's happening.

00:22:07.000 They say, do the restraints.

00:22:08.000 Okay. So you know how it's bunk?

00:22:11.000 The cop who is simply standing in front of people with his hands up, not involved in the Chauvin incident at all, just off to the side, they put him in prison for life.

00:22:19.000 Why? They didn't care what was true.

00:22:22.000 They just wanted to lock them all up.

00:22:23.000 And the Ahmaud Arbery case, that guy, Ahmaud Arbery, he had been, he committed burglary.

00:22:28.000 The guys that shot him, they were going to, it was a bad law, an old law that they were following.

00:22:33.000 What do you guys want me to say?

00:22:34.000 The Democrats pick bad, cynical, political characters to that?

00:22:38.000 That's the point they pick a better one.

00:22:39.000 But the right is trying to maintain, sustain.

00:22:42.000 Safety and order right now.

00:22:44.000 And the left promotes violence and chaos.

00:22:46.000 The question is, like, when do they overstep the boundaries?

00:22:48.000 Well, right now, going back to a lot of saying with speedrunning these different people, is like what we were talking about before the show.

00:22:53.000 Democrats are desperate.

00:22:55.000 Disarray. Let me have this.

00:22:58.000 And things are just happening so fast and furiously, and that's why I think there's a lot of concern.

00:23:02.000 And the way it's happening, it's like kind of...

00:23:04.000 But we voted for deportations, at least. 0.99

00:23:06.000 Indeed. I did.

00:23:07.000 When we were getting the show ready, I pointed out that we often...

00:23:10.000 Without due process, though.

00:23:11.000 Due process we just talked about with the illegals. 0.55

00:23:14.000 I got the court document right here for Abrego Garcia that says he admitted to removability.

00:23:18.000 So the question is, did he get, was he warranted a USCIS interview before final deportation?

00:23:23.000 The answer is yes, but their argument is, at first we made an error in doing so without checking for this.

00:23:29.000 However, under the Alien Enemies Act, we are allowed to get rid of them regardless. 0.58

00:23:32.000 So, but the point I was going to make a moment ago.

00:23:34.000 When we're setting up the show, I was pointing out that we often try to find a prominent individual that represents a core of the story or the parties involved.

00:23:43.000 There are no Democrats.

00:23:44.000 It was 7.52 we finally got the thumbnail up because I was like, I guess Trump?

00:23:53.000 I guess Trump's the only political character who's involved in the news.

00:23:57.000 There's Van Hollen, but he's backing away.

00:23:59.000 There's no Schumer anymore.

00:24:00.000 There's no AOC anymore.

00:24:01.000 There's no Kamala.

00:24:01.000 There's no Biden.

00:24:02.000 There is no Central Democrat Party member.

00:24:05.000 And arguably those members that you saw in that picture, even though I'm not fully aware of the story, like they are more from the progressive wing.

00:24:11.000 They're not really from the party.

00:24:13.000 There's no leadership?

00:24:14.000 They don't want to back these.

00:24:15.000 They don't want to get involved in this fight because, like you said, they don't know the full story.

00:24:18.000 I think Cory Booker was even virtue signaling, at least saying that these deportations were wrong, and specifically on the gang members, too.

00:24:27.000 I think, I'm not a usual believer of Trump's 5D chess, but it almost feels like he is baiting Democrats into defending these otherwise.

00:24:36.000 It's not 5D chess.

00:24:37.000 These otherwise, I mean, because then it always comes out like, oh, they defended this guy.

00:24:42.000 They said there was no way he was a gangster.

00:24:43.000 His wife covered up his knuckles in all of these pictures because it was obvious that he had MS-13 written on his knuckles, and the Democrats couldn't do their research to find that out before deciding to defend him.

00:24:54.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:24:55.000 Do you think that Van Hollen and these other four Democrats that are going down to El Salvador are doing so with the intent to influence the foreign government of El Salvador into taking action on their behalf.

00:25:07.000 Maybe. I don't know.

00:25:08.000 No, because I think the president of El Salvador is so...

00:25:12.000 So what do you think the Democrats want if they're not trying to...

00:25:14.000 They're trying to draw attention to it.

00:25:15.000 But here's the thing.

00:25:16.000 Have they stated anything about wanting the government to take action?

00:25:20.000 Yeah, of course they have.

00:25:22.000 So the Democrats have publicly stated they want El Salvador.

00:25:25.000 I mean, I haven't read it.

00:25:26.000 Like, you're asking me to talk about a story I really don't know that much about.

00:25:28.000 I'm just speaking in generalizations.

00:25:30.000 But I know...

00:25:31.000 Let's just, let's just, let's hear about the quick details.

00:25:33.000 This is not a gotcha.

00:25:34.000 It's literally, the Democrats, there's now five.

00:25:37.000 Have they made requests of the El Salvador government to do something?

00:25:40.000 I don't know.

00:25:42.000 Anybody? I don't know.

00:25:43.000 I haven't read the story.

00:25:43.000 I just think they're going down for a photo shoot.

00:25:45.000 Yeah. What was the express stated purpose?

00:25:48.000 To draw attention to it.

00:25:49.000 They've actually said what their intention was.

00:25:50.000 I don't know, but I'm just...

00:25:52.000 Does anybody want to get it?

00:25:54.000 Because I know everybody who's listening right now in the audience knows exactly what the Democrats said about this trip.

00:25:58.000 I think Van Hollen said that he wanted to have him back.

00:26:01.000 The Democrats wanted him to come back to the country.

00:26:03.000 All of them said that.

00:26:03.000 Yeah, that's what they wanted.

00:26:04.000 All of them said that their purpose to go down was to get him back.

00:26:09.000 Yep. To get the foreign government to take an action pertaining to U.S. foreign policy, which is a violation of the Logan Act, which specifically states any U.S. citizen, wherever he may be, who without the authority of the U.S. directly or indirectly commences or carries on correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government.

00:26:28.000 Or any officer or any agent thereof with the intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof in relation to any disputes or controversies with the U.S. or to defeat the measures of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years.

00:26:44.000 Donald Trump explicitly set forth a deal with El Salvador's government pertaining to U.S. foreign policy under the Alien Enemies Act.

00:26:52.000 That is the direction and purview of the executive branch, their entitlement, their right under the Constitution.

00:26:57.000 These members of Congress are in direct and overt violation of the Logan Act.

00:27:02.000 I believe that we need to see some action by the DOJ.

00:27:06.000 Yeah. They're trying to do a reverse Elian Gonzalez.

00:27:10.000 Lock him up!

00:27:11.000 Lock him up.

00:27:12.000 Okay, here's the thing.

00:27:13.000 So these four Democrats of members of Congress, some of them young, freshman-ish progressives, they go down there and they stage their political...

00:27:25.000 You know, photo op, whatever you want to call it.

00:27:27.000 The rest of the party, you have like someone like Gavin Newsom saying this is a distraction and they kind of know they're being baited.

00:27:33.000 Trump sets the story up every morning.

00:27:35.000 He did this for the press.

00:27:36.000 When I covered him for the first four years of his administration, he sent out a tweet and he would literally say to his staff, watch the libs.

00:27:45.000 I'm going to own the libs today.

00:27:47.000 I'm going to overreact.

00:27:48.000 So they're starting to think to themselves, maybe we are missing the boat by overreacting.

00:27:54.000 This is a distraction.

00:27:55.000 We cannot jump onto every single thing that he gives to them.

00:27:59.000 They're getting eaten alive.

00:28:00.000 Do you think Cory Booker is one of these far-left progressives?

00:28:05.000 Yes. He's kind of.

00:28:06.000 No, no.

00:28:07.000 As far as Democrats go, I think as far as Democrats go, Cory Booker is a moderate.

00:28:11.000 Did you hear he came out recently?

00:28:13.000 I mean, everybody thought he was gay, but...

00:28:16.000 Azaria was set up. 0.70

00:28:17.000 Like, that was a beard. 0.79

00:28:18.000 Well, everybody thought Cory Booker was gay, but apparently he was at, like, an event where he was asked by some gay people.

00:28:23.000 Like, a trans person. 1.00

00:28:24.000 And he said something about we, the LGBT community.

00:28:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:28.000 It was something like that.

00:28:29.000 And then it was glossed over.

00:28:31.000 Like, nobody really paid attention that he was saying that he was LGBTQ.

00:28:33.000 Just like Barack Obama.

00:28:34.000 Are you sure about that one?

00:28:36.000 Because I remember seeing that clip online.

00:28:37.000 I don't think that he was coming out.

00:28:39.000 My point is, he said...

00:28:42.000 We in the LGBT community...

00:28:44.000 I'm paraphrasing.

00:28:45.000 Oh, there's a letter in there.

00:28:47.000 A for allies.

00:28:48.000 So he may have been...

00:28:49.000 There's no A in ally for LGBTQ. 1.00

00:28:51.000 I think there is LGBTQ.

00:28:52.000 It's like A. There's some allies.

00:28:54.000 I think A is asexual. 0.99

00:28:56.000 You guys are killing me. 0.99

00:28:57.000 Are you for real? 0.79

00:28:58.000 Wait. There's definitely an ally.

00:28:59.000 No, there's not.

00:29:00.000 Yes. No, there's not.

00:29:02.000 There's something in there.

00:29:03.000 Wait, but all of that is to say, I don't think, I think you're mischaracterizing the Democrat Party.

00:29:07.000 I don't think it's just the far leftist in the party.

00:29:09.000 I think Cory Booker is a moderate Democrat, and I think it's wide-ranging throughout the party.

00:29:15.000 And I think you might be missing the pulse of what's going on.

00:29:19.000 Let's get to the story, you know.

00:29:20.000 Let's get to this.

00:29:21.000 Let's talk.

00:29:22.000 Let's talk.

00:29:23.000 We've got this story from NPR.

00:29:24.000 The White House is looking to replace Pete Hegseth as defense secretary.

00:29:29.000 Okay, that's the story.

00:29:31.000 Rapid response says lies from NPR, which we all know is a fake news propaganda machine.

00:29:36.000 So the story they've been pushing is that there's a second signal gate.

00:29:40.000 Leaguers have been fired.

00:29:41.000 And now you've got this op-ed from, this is Politico, former top Pentagon spokesperson details a month from hell inside the agency.

00:29:50.000 Now there's a couple arguments here.

00:29:52.000 This is a fake news story.

00:29:54.000 Hegseth is not going to get fired.

00:29:55.000 Trump already spoke in his defense.

00:29:56.000 But I'm not sure who was pointing out.

00:29:58.000 I don't know if it was Shane earlier about Matt Gaetz.

00:30:00.000 Trump also pointed that out.

00:30:02.000 Yeah, that Trump kept backing Matt Gaetz until he could no longer.

00:30:06.000 Indeed. So maybe there is an argument that Trump is just trying as hard as not to see Hegseth out.

00:30:12.000 The other argument from the right is that the deep state...

00:30:15.000 Is trying to heavily influence the removal of Hegseth.

00:30:18.000 That guy who wrote that op-ed is not the deep state.

00:30:21.000 He is a guy that Hegseth hired.

00:30:23.000 He's a political staffer.

00:30:25.000 That guy.

00:30:26.000 John Yulia.

00:30:27.000 He is a political staffer.

00:30:28.000 He was a senior communications advisor on Trump's 2016 campaign.

00:30:33.000 Other people, too.

00:30:34.000 They are all politicals.

00:30:35.000 They are not deep state.

00:30:37.000 Does that mean he's good?

00:30:38.000 What does that mean they're not deep state?

00:30:39.000 Okay, then if he's such a good manager, why would you hire a guy like that?

00:30:43.000 That's a great question.

00:30:44.000 Why did Trump hire both?

00:30:45.000 Well, then, why is Trump hiring Pete Hegseth?

00:30:47.000 And it goes up the chain.

00:30:49.000 Yes. Trump hired a lot of bad people in his first term, and many people were concerned about the hires that were going to come in in the second term.

00:30:54.000 Yeah. He's done a pretty good job, but I'm not surprised to see that the firing margin is a bit lower than what we would have seen in 2016 had he learned his lesson.

00:31:03.000 Yeah? I think what's actually going on here is that within the Trump administration, there are rumblings between the more isolationist and the more hawkish camps.

00:31:12.000 And this is manifesting right now through the debate on whether or not we should strike Iran preemptively at their nuclear sites. 0.50

00:31:20.000 So I think some of Hexeth's staffers allegedly leaked out the Iran plans early to the New York Times and other outlets in hopes of trying to help prevent the plan.

00:31:32.000 It's really those two sides knifing each other within the administration.

00:31:35.000 And then there's also like the Democrat and left media that's taking advantage of these internal conflicts that are going on to try to kind of capitalize it is how I see what's going on right now.

00:31:45.000 So that doesn't mean the administration or the Department of Defense is in complete disarray or the Pentagon's in complete disarray.

00:31:52.000 I think it's people trying to knife each other in the back.

00:31:56.000 More than anything, and want to influence the way the administration goes.

00:32:00.000 That doesn't mean Hexf needs to be fired.

00:32:02.000 I wouldn't be surprised, though, if they are putting this out there themselves.

00:32:05.000 But do you understand the context behind...

00:32:08.000 To see how it goes.

00:32:09.000 Because maybe something big is coming.

00:32:11.000 Maybe there are text messages again, like SignalGate, and everybody's going to get it. 0.99

00:32:15.000 Let me give you the stupidest conspiracy out of all of it. 0.97

00:32:19.000 If you don't want to go to war with Iran, and the deepsets can try and force your hand, just throw the Pentagon into disarray, and they can't false flag you into one. 0.99

00:32:26.000 I like that. 0.98

00:32:27.000 And I did say that was the stupidest conspiracy theory, by the way. 1.00

00:32:29.000 Yeah. Because, like, you know, right now the concern from the right is that we're going to get forced into a war with Iran. 0.99

00:32:35.000 We saw the story that Israel was trying to go to the U.S. to join them in a strike.

00:32:38.000 The U.S. backed off.

00:32:39.000 Trump said no.

00:32:40.000 Tulsi Gabbard said don't do it.

00:32:41.000 Israel said we're going to maybe do it a little bit anyway.

00:32:44.000 If there's some kind of attack or false flag or who knows what.

00:32:47.000 If the Pentagon is broken, we're not getting involved in that war anyway.

00:32:51.000 So if you had a functional Pentagon, and again, I'm stressing, this is a stupid conspiracy theory, it's probably not true at all, I'm just saying, if a false flag were to happen, we would be publicly pressured into a conflict we don't want to be involved in.

00:33:05.000 However, with the Pentagon broken, the response is going to be like, unfortunately, due to the disarray with leadership, we can't formulate a proper response to what happened in the Middle East.

00:33:13.000 Can I just say what is probably really happening?

00:33:15.000 This is like Veep, okay?

00:33:17.000 Have you guys seen Veep, the show? 1.00

00:33:19.000 It's a fucking disaster in government. 1.00

00:33:21.000 No one knows what they're doing. 1.00

00:33:22.000 More likely than not, it is just a bunch of people who have no idea what they are doing.

00:33:29.000 This is the one thing libertarians get right.

00:33:33.000 You know, did you ever remember that?

00:33:35.000 They're not crazy too, though.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, they are.

00:33:36.000 Do you remember that line?

00:33:37.000 I don't know if you remember that line when something happens in Yemen.

00:33:40.000 They're like, when life gives you Yemen, you make Yemen-aid. 0.99

00:33:42.000 And it's like, you can't even make that shit up. 0.99

00:33:45.000 But this is just like... 0.99

00:33:46.000 That's only one step away from the misspelled reset button that Clinton took over to Russia.

00:33:52.000 So, regarding Iran, the administration has repeatedly said that he cannot allow them to get nuclear weapons.

00:33:57.000 So, I think that's why...

00:33:58.000 A lot of this stuff is coming to a head now, as I think we're going to see this weekend as well.

00:34:03.000 Negotiations continue.

00:34:04.000 Whether we'll see them actually go anywhere has yet to be seen.

00:34:08.000 I don't think the admin's also going to get rid of Hexeth, because once you get rid of one of these top guys in the administration, one of these secretaries, that means everybody's kind of on ice.

00:34:16.000 It's kind of opening the floodgates for other people to be fired.

00:34:19.000 Now, hold on, hold on.

00:34:20.000 He wasted so much political capital on Hexeth to just throw it away. 0.99

00:34:22.000 What about a less stupid conspiracy theory that... 0.95

00:34:25.000 If Hegseth were to be fired, they would get an acting sec def, and that could be anybody Trump wants. 0.98

00:34:31.000 I mean, I thought Pete Hegseth was...

00:34:33.000 Well, also, he's already outlasted Mike Flynn.

00:34:35.000 Let's not forget that.

00:34:36.000 The National Security Advisor who went out on February 14th, 2017.

00:34:40.000 I remember that was a horrible Valentine's Day.

00:34:42.000 Well, nobody's been fired yet in the administration.

00:34:44.000 None of the higher-ups.

00:34:46.000 Oh, is that true?

00:34:48.000 Yeah, think of one.

00:34:49.000 Oh my god.

00:34:50.000 Exactly. Wait a minute.

00:34:51.000 So that's why he's trying to keep everything together.

00:34:53.000 Because if Pete Hexeth gets fired, other people could be, you know, on the chomping box.

00:34:58.000 And they spent like $10 million to get him confirmed.

00:35:00.000 He saw it on everybody on his cabinet.

00:35:02.000 Also with the Walt story, you could have hypothetically kicked him out from that SignalGate story.

00:35:07.000 I mean, if he wanted to get him, if he wanted to get rid of that story really quickly, he could have just booted him out, but he chose to stand by him.

00:35:13.000 So I suspect Trump's going to stand by Hexeth throughout all of this. 0.73

00:35:16.000 I do think it may largely be fake news, specifically because...

00:35:21.000 As you were mentioning, I think it was you saying this, that the Democrats are just speedrunning through all these narratives and these individuals trying to latch on to something, and they don't have any strong case against the Trump administration.

00:35:32.000 Oh, come on. 0.99

00:35:33.000 Signalgate was a fucking disaster. 1.00

00:35:35.000 It did not resonate with a single person. 0.99

00:35:37.000 Okay, I interviewed Laura Loomer for my podcast, okay?

00:35:41.000 Oh, the most you did?

00:35:42.000 Yes, I did.

00:35:43.000 I just had her on on Thursday, and you may say what you want to say about her, but she's very close to the president.

00:35:48.000 She's a very powerful person.

00:35:50.000 Anything bad to say about Laura Lee?

00:35:52.000 Okay. All right.

00:35:53.000 Well, no, she was saying that she's powerful and close to the president.

00:35:55.000 She is.

00:35:56.000 She had an ability to walk in the door and a side door into the Oval Office, and she had the ability to essentially take out six very powerful people in the national security apparatus, overruling Mike Waltz, okay?

00:36:09.000 Yeah. And actually, when she showed up in Washington, she told me, and this has never been reported, but she had a video of Mike Waltz from 2016.

00:36:19.000 Speaking very poorly about Donald Trump and we'll have it in the podcast.

00:36:23.000 You should check it out on my YouTube channel at Tara Palmieri.

00:36:26.000 But yeah, she came there to kill Waltz. 0.99

00:36:30.000 Waltz walked in the door just in time because she knows he's 78 years old, Trump, and she's got to show him the video.

00:36:35.000 And so Waltz walks in the door.

00:36:37.000 She told me that Trump is not happy with Waltz.

00:36:40.000 And she told me there's a lot of infighting in the administration.

00:36:43.000 But do you think he'll get fired?

00:36:45.000 Listen, I don't think she would have gone on my show and talked like that if she didn't think he was already on ice.

00:36:49.000 So this may be all true and correct.

00:36:51.000 I don't disagree.

00:36:52.000 I'm just saying that the American people don't care about the inner workings and the minutia.

00:36:57.000 Signalgate? He is a national security advisor.

00:37:00.000 And go to Times Square and ask someone about Signalgate.

00:37:02.000 What are they going to tell you?

00:37:03.000 Yeah, but that doesn't matter.

00:37:04.000 You know how people are safe in Times Square?

00:37:06.000 The way that people are safe in Times Square, a target, by the way, is because of the national security advisor.

00:37:12.000 Right, right, right.

00:37:12.000 It's because of that.

00:37:13.000 But again.

00:37:14.000 If you go to a random tourist from anywhere in middle America, let's say you go to Times Square and you're looking for American citizens specifically.

00:37:21.000 But God, but they probably don't even know the capital of Maine.

00:37:24.000 Indeed. That's the point.

00:37:26.000 And they vote.

00:37:26.000 So when you go to them and say, what are you really worried about?

00:37:29.000 And they're like, these gangbangers all over the country.

00:37:31.000 And Trump's supporting them.

00:37:32.000 I like that.

00:37:33.000 Okay, but would they be worried about going to Times Square if there were terror attacks there all the time?

00:37:37.000 There were!

00:37:37.000 Because we didn't have a national security apparatus?

00:37:39.000 But there still are, and it's gang members.

00:37:40.000 I mean, it's a lot safer than it was when I was there.

00:37:44.000 Trende Aragua guy got arrested for shooting a gun in Times Square at people.

00:37:48.000 Okay, I want...

00:37:49.000 Fine. So yes, they're going to be like...

00:37:51.000 I want to tell you what it's like to live in a country where you do not feel like you are safe.

00:37:56.000 You know the national security apparatus does not work.

00:37:58.000 I lived in Brussels.

00:37:59.000 No, Brussels.

00:38:00.000 I lived there from 2014 to 2016.

00:38:02.000 I was covering...

00:38:04.000 I was covering the EU, okay?

00:38:06.000 And while I lived there, there were so many terror attacks between Paris and Brussels from the terrorists, the homegrown ISIS terrorists that were there.

00:38:14.000 And the bomb went off in the airport.

00:38:16.000 I was there at the airport.

00:38:18.000 The bomb went off in the subway below my office.

00:38:21.000 We were under lockdown for weeks sometimes.

00:38:24.000 We were told we couldn't leave our house.

00:38:25.000 There was the Charlie Hebdo shooting.

00:38:28.000 There was just random plowing of people in resorts in France, in Nice.

00:38:33.000 It was a terrifying place to be.

00:38:34.000 And the reason that this was happening was because they had no real national security apparatus.

00:38:40.000 Agreed. Agreed.

00:38:45.000 Listen, and you know why you haven't heard of a mass terrorism account?

00:38:51.000 Something that happened in Europe recently, like a mass terror attack in Europe?

00:38:54.000 There was one in Germany recently.

00:38:56.000 It's because they got the help of the FBI.

00:38:58.000 It's because they got the help of the CIA.

00:39:00.000 It's because they got the help of our security apparatus.

00:39:03.000 So, I mean...

00:39:04.000 I think there are issues with some of the way the first signal gate stuff happened, but can you walk me down the logic of how Times Square is therefore not safe?

00:39:13.000 You know, Mike Walsh mishandled in a part of a signal chat, right?

00:39:17.000 If the person is in charge of security, then our nation's security is at risk.

00:39:23.000 He's a national security advisor.

00:39:24.000 He runs, like, the cyber command.

00:39:27.000 He runs everything.

00:39:28.000 He runs all these people.

00:39:29.000 Your bigger concern is probably Kristi Noem.

00:39:31.000 But more importantly, the issue that I brought up is...

00:39:33.000 Maybe Kash Patel.

00:39:34.000 The issue that I brought up is specifically...

00:39:36.000 I don't know.

00:39:36.000 Will Trump earn favor among voters which will benefit him in the long run?

00:39:40.000 I don't care about that.

00:39:41.000 I care about being safe.

00:39:42.000 I care about government.

00:39:43.000 And so you agree with my point then?

00:39:46.000 Yes, but...

00:39:47.000 Regular people in this country do not care about this.

00:39:49.000 They will care?

00:39:50.000 When they are not safe.

00:39:52.000 That is when they care.

00:39:53.000 Are you kidding?

00:39:55.000 You think that people are going to know what the NSC does?

00:39:59.000 They may not know what the NSC does, but they may know that they don't feel safe under the Trump administration.

00:40:03.000 So what do they want?

00:40:03.000 And that means the buck stops there.

00:40:05.000 So what do they want?

00:40:06.000 They want safety.

00:40:07.000 And how do they get it?

00:40:09.000 Through a...

00:40:12.000 We have threats from everywhere.

00:40:21.000 We have threats from Iran. 1.00

00:40:22.000 We have threats from China. 0.99

00:40:25.000 We have threats from Russia.

00:40:27.000 We have threats from everywhere.

00:40:30.000 The point that was brought up was this story matters little to the American people.

00:40:38.000 I forgot about this story.

00:40:40.000 I care about the people that work for him.

00:40:42.000 I'm telling you that if you don't think it matters who has these jobs...

00:40:46.000 I said the American people don't care about this story.

00:40:49.000 Whether they don't care about the story, they should worry about who has the job.

00:40:52.000 Sure, but they don't.

00:40:54.000 So if you want to argue they're factually incorrect in their priorities, true.

00:40:58.000 You only care about something until it doesn't work.

00:41:01.000 And you know that.

00:41:02.000 You don't care about your car until you can't turn it on.

00:41:04.000 Well, you care about your car, you need to use it every day.

00:41:06.000 Exactly. You need security every day.

00:41:08.000 The issue here is that of all of the principal issues polled, immigration is where Trump is winning.

00:41:12.000 This story, they shifted off of immigration and to try and go somewhere else.

00:41:16.000 I don't know how you're actually connecting immigration to the signal gate.

00:41:18.000 I don't see how they're connected.

00:41:19.000 Let me try and help you out.

00:41:20.000 That's DHS.

00:41:22.000 Uh-huh.

00:41:22.000 Okay, and then that's NSA.

00:41:23.000 Slow down.

00:41:24.000 Slow down.

00:41:24.000 Because if you're confused, I'll need to speak.

00:41:26.000 Yeah, tell me.

00:41:27.000 Okay. Regular people care about immigration.

00:41:30.000 Democrats are trying to get off the immigration story because they lost.

00:41:33.000 So they've shifted into something that doesn't matter at all.

00:41:39.000 Potentially a second signal gate.

00:41:41.000 No one cared about signal gate except politicos.

00:41:44.000 I can agree with you that there are people that exist that do not know who the National Security Advisor is.

00:41:50.000 There are people that—and that is the luxury of being in a country that functions, and that's why I was bringing up Brussels.

00:41:55.000 The luxury of working in a country that truly functions is that you don't have to go to sleep at night worrying about making sure that there is security, making sure that there is not a terror threat where you live, that you know that the subways are constantly being monitored by FBI, that they are constantly, you know,

00:42:11.000 tracking— My body just got raped in New York City.

00:42:13.000 Tara, can I follow up again?

00:42:16.000 The worst case mishandling of some classified information to now Times Square is not safe.

00:42:22.000 It reflects a lack of competence.

00:42:24.000 Reflects a lack of competence.

00:42:26.000 And regular people don't care about that.

00:42:27.000 They don't care about competence until incompetence affects them.

00:42:30.000 And I don't think the NSA will affect them.

00:42:33.000 Alright. We'll see.

00:42:34.000 I hope not either.

00:42:35.000 You know what?

00:42:36.000 I hope that you said that.

00:42:37.000 I'm knocking on wood, and I hope that we never have to experience it.

00:42:40.000 And the only point I was making is that Democrats are attaching to a low-value story because they're desperate for something to go against the administration on.

00:42:47.000 I don't think it's low-value.

00:42:48.000 They seem like a bunch of kids.

00:42:50.000 Okay, the point I'm making is...

00:42:52.000 They are.

00:42:52.000 They're my age.

00:42:53.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

00:42:54.000 You have no experience.

00:42:55.000 What are you doing here?

00:42:56.000 So anyway...

00:42:57.000 Will Pete Hegseth be fired?

00:42:59.000 My point is probably not because this story is low value and not nearly as big as people think it is.

00:43:06.000 The story is not nearly as big as people think it is.

00:43:08.000 Most people actually don't care.

00:43:10.000 Trump has no reason to fire Hegseth over a few texts that we don't even know if they actually exist.

00:43:15.000 So why are all these big outlets running this story?

00:43:17.000 They didn't deny it.

00:43:18.000 They actually confirmed it.

00:43:20.000 So why are all of these big outlets running a story of little interest?

00:43:24.000 We've already had signal gates.

00:43:25.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:43:25.000 I just want to correct that.

00:43:26.000 Signal gate is over.

00:43:27.000 You said that they didn't exist.

00:43:29.000 He already confirmed it himself.

00:43:30.000 I said, we don't know if they exist.

00:43:30.000 They came from anonymous sources.

00:43:31.000 No, Trump acknowledged it himself.

00:43:33.000 And so did the NSC.

00:43:34.000 He acknowledged it.

00:43:35.000 He said it shouldn't have happened.

00:43:37.000 And the NSC acknowledged it?

00:43:38.000 The second signal gate.

00:43:39.000 Oh, the second signal gate...

00:43:41.000 If you stopped talking for two seconds, you might have heard what I said.

00:43:43.000 The second signal gate, as if the first one wasn't bad enough.

00:43:46.000 We'll see what happens.

00:43:47.000 Why was the first one bad?

00:43:48.000 I would not be a Boy Scout.

00:43:49.000 Why was the first one bad?

00:43:50.000 Listen, Tim, I would not be a Boy Scout for this administration because you don't know what's coming.

00:43:55.000 So what?

00:43:57.000 So you're arguing we should lie because we're worried Trump would do something bad?

00:44:01.000 I'm not saying you should lie.

00:44:02.000 I'm just saying I don't think you should offend him so hard until you know it's coming.

00:44:05.000 I think the funny thing is...

00:44:06.000 Because you might have egg on your face in literally three days.

00:44:08.000 You are so emotionally attached to the liberal...

00:44:10.000 No, I'm not.

00:44:11.000 I'm not emotionally attached.

00:44:11.000 You can't even stop talking for a second.

00:44:13.000 I'm not emotionally attached.

00:44:14.000 You are.

00:44:14.000 Listen, you can't stop talking.

00:44:17.000 So the point I was trying to make is that this story is an old story.

00:44:23.000 Signalgate happened two weeks ago.

00:44:25.000 Why are they back on an anonymous claim of Signal Gate 2?

00:44:28.000 Because now in Signal Gate 2 it is alleged that his wife and I think his...

00:44:33.000 Alleged by anonymous source?

00:44:34.000 Until it's confirmed.

00:44:35.000 So right now there's no story.

00:44:37.000 Why are they running this front page?

00:44:39.000 Because it's important and it matters.

00:44:41.000 And I bet you, I know those reporters and I bet you that it's true.

00:44:43.000 And then why is Van Hollen now saying, I'm not vouching for this guy?

00:44:47.000 I'm okay if he's deported.

00:44:49.000 I don't see how those two are connected.

00:44:50.000 Could it be that immigration being the number one issue among Americans they're winning on, Democrats and the media are shifting off of a story?

00:44:57.000 And they're going backwards to a previous one?

00:44:59.000 I am not a partisan.

00:45:00.000 I will not defend the Democrats, okay?

00:45:02.000 If that's what you want me to do...

00:45:03.000 You are doing it.

00:45:04.000 No, I'm not.

00:45:05.000 I will not defend the Democrats.

00:45:06.000 I'm actually a reporter.

00:45:07.000 I don't even vote when I cover elections.

00:45:09.000 I didn't vote in this election.

00:45:10.000 So why when I said...

00:45:11.000 All I am telling you is that national security and competence matters.

00:45:15.000 Because the whole idea...

00:45:16.000 You just keep pulling things from here, and then you bring them there, and you try to tie them together, but they're not related.

00:45:22.000 All I am saying is...

00:45:25.000 No, I can understand.

00:45:26.000 What you can't understand is what I'm trying to say, which is that competence matters in positions.

00:45:31.000 I do, but you're off in some other world.

00:45:32.000 Tim? Let's go back in time.

00:45:34.000 The issue we brought up at the start of the show...

00:45:36.000 I just don't...

00:45:36.000 Yeah, sure, go ahead.

00:45:38.000 You keep talking about the Democrats and media, but go ahead.

00:45:41.000 Sure. The issue I brought up at the top of the show was that the immigration story has backfired on Democrats.

00:45:46.000 Echelon, Pew, and CNN all came out with polls showing the American people are happy with Trump's job.

00:45:51.000 Correct. Signalgate was two weeks ago.

00:45:53.000 I don't.

00:45:54.000 OK, go ahead.

00:45:54.000 They've now shifted to an anonymous claim with no evidence of a second SignalGate.

00:45:59.000 The point I brought up was not to defend SignalGate, was not to defend Donald Trump.

00:46:02.000 So you think they shouldn't report on it?

00:46:04.000 My point was that with Senator Van Hollen coming out and saying, I'm OK with Abrigo Garcia being deported now, they're backing away from a story.

00:46:11.000 And the corporate press is now shifting the news cycle back onto SignalGate, which was two weeks ago.

00:46:15.000 Fine. Maybe they are.

00:46:16.000 But if it's real, they should still report it.

00:46:18.000 They should still report SignalGate, too, if it is real.

00:46:21.000 And so they should wait until they have corroborating evidence?

00:46:23.000 I think that what those reporters have, they probably have corroborating evidence because I know those reporters.

00:46:29.000 They are good.

00:46:29.000 Probably. Maybe one day they'll share it with us.

00:46:31.000 And you know what?

00:46:32.000 Actually... Otherwise, I'll just believe everything they say no matter what.

00:46:35.000 I respect those reporters.

00:46:36.000 I know them and I trust them and I'm sure that they probably do have that.

00:46:40.000 But in the meantime...

00:46:41.000 Why wouldn't they share it now?

00:46:42.000 They're corroborating evidence.

00:46:44.000 Because it would probably expose their sources.

00:46:46.000 But if it's that important of a story...

00:46:48.000 Why are we...

00:46:49.000 Here's the question, guys.

00:46:50.000 I don't...

00:46:51.000 This whole idea of, like, the mainstream media is, like, trying to draw the narratives one way or another.

00:46:57.000 Fine, whatever.

00:46:58.000 Maybe there are people who want you to look one way or another.

00:47:01.000 But at the end of the day, why would you want to censor a real story?

00:47:04.000 Who said that?

00:47:04.000 No one wants to censor the story.

00:47:05.000 Well, you're saying that we shouldn't cover Signalgate.

00:47:08.000 Like, it doesn't matter.

00:47:08.000 You're saying Signalgate 2 doesn't matter.

00:47:10.000 You're like, who cares?

00:47:11.000 Because Americans don't care about it. 1.00

00:47:12.000 That's literally never been said once.

00:47:14.000 You said that most people don't care about signaling.

00:47:16.000 Indeed. And so we shouldn't cover it?

00:47:18.000 I never said that.

00:47:19.000 Just because Americans don't care about it, we shouldn't tell people that.

00:47:21.000 We were covering it.

00:47:23.000 We're literally on a big show to millions of people covering the story explicitly.

00:47:26.000 But you think there is a conspiracy in which the media...

00:47:30.000 I think the Democrat political party and their consultants are going over their polls and saying, Van Hollen, this is hurting you.

00:47:36.000 You need to back off it.

00:47:37.000 He goes on Fox News of all places and says, I'm okay with Abra Garcia being deported.

00:47:41.000 I'm sure they are.

00:47:42.000 Indeed. Yeah, I'm absolutely sure.

00:47:44.000 We're in agreement then.

00:47:45.000 Yeah, but the fact that that has anything to do with SignalGate is what I struggle to understand.

00:47:49.000 So Democrats have started propping up this story.

00:47:52.000 Okay. Which is a real story.

00:47:55.000 It's not a prop up.

00:47:56.000 It's a real story.

00:47:57.000 With a single anonymous source?

00:47:59.000 I don't think it's a single.

00:48:00.000 I want to read the story actually really quickly so we can actually make this clear on air so that I hope you're not disparaging these people without actually looking at it.

00:48:08.000 Let me find out how many...

00:48:09.000 I was trying to talk about it earlier.

00:48:12.000 There were a few advisors to Pete Hegseth who were fired allegedly for leaking.

00:48:17.000 That's what the administration and Secretary Pete Hegseth said of them.

00:48:22.000 I'm sorry, four people with knowledge of the chat.

00:48:24.000 That's four people, not one anonymous source.

00:48:26.000 What does knowledge of it mean?

00:48:27.000 You said it was one, and now we know it's four.

00:48:29.000 Indeed. Well, we don't know it's four because we don't know who the four people are.

00:48:32.000 They're anonymous.

00:48:32.000 Okay, well, listen.

00:48:34.000 If you understand anything about journalism...

00:48:36.000 Sometimes you have to use anonymous sources.

00:48:38.000 It's just a fact.

00:48:40.000 Okay? And first you said it was one anonymous source.

00:48:43.000 Now it's four.

00:48:43.000 So let's get the story straight.

00:48:44.000 Okay? And it includes his wife.

00:48:46.000 And I just want to see how the White House responded to this.

00:48:49.000 Okay? It's very easy to make you believe a thing, isn't it?

00:48:52.000 No, it's not, actually.

00:48:53.000 Because I know these journalists.

00:48:54.000 And I know that they would only go with a story like this if it was solid.

00:48:57.000 Has the New York Times published falsehoods before?

00:48:59.000 They may have.

00:49:01.000 They won Pulitzer's for it.

00:49:03.000 Walter Durante.

00:49:04.000 There's no famine.

00:49:06.000 I'm not going to not...

00:49:08.000 Tara, I guess...

00:49:08.000 Wait a second.

00:49:09.000 Can I just say one thing?

00:49:10.000 When the first signal gate came out, okay?

00:49:12.000 Can we just all acknowledge the fact that Hegseth denied that it was real and that it was anything?

00:49:16.000 And he said those chats weren't real and he just said blatant lies on TV and then Trump acknowledged it an hour later.

00:49:21.000 What did he say?

00:49:22.000 Hold on.

00:49:22.000 I'll pull it up.

00:49:23.000 Let's roll the tape, as they say.

00:49:26.000 I just don't think you guys should be defending these guys like this.

00:49:29.000 It's just gonna...

00:49:30.000 You're gonna have egg on your face.

00:49:32.000 I think the interesting thing is...

00:49:33.000 You conflate stating true thing with defense of Trump.

00:49:37.000 Okay, deny signal.

00:49:38.000 Here it is.

00:49:39.000 Right. Is stating true thing defending Trump?

00:49:41.000 Okay, here we are.

00:49:42.000 No. I guess there's a lot of things.

00:49:43.000 I criticize the administration all the time, just not for this.

00:49:48.000 That's from today, actually.

00:49:49.000 That's from today.

00:49:50.000 Okay, that's denial.

00:49:52.000 Let's see.

00:49:52.000 This was the one when he was in Hawaii.

00:49:54.000 Yeah, this was a good one.

00:49:56.000 And he was like, this is an old story.

00:49:58.000 bringing it back up again.

00:49:59.000 Talking about a deceitful and highly discredited so-called journalist who's made a profession of peddling hoaxes time and time again to include the...

00:50:10.000 They couldn't even get their denials. 0.94

00:50:12.000 Russia, Russia, Russia, or the fine people on both sides hopes or suckers and losers hopes. 1.00

00:50:19.000 So this is a guy that pedals in garbage. 1.00

00:50:22.000 This is what he does. 0.95

00:50:23.000 I would love to comment on the Houthi campaign.

00:50:27.000 Because of the skill and courage of our troops, I've monitored it very closely from the beginning.

00:50:32.000 And you see, we've been managing four years of deferred maintenance under the Trump administration.

00:50:37.000 I don't think that's the right video.

00:50:38.000 Sounds like you're misquoting him, Tara.

00:50:39.000 Listen, you have to wait for the whole thing.

00:50:41.000 Our ships couldn't sail through.

00:50:43.000 First, he disparages us.

00:50:44.000 I don't think it's the right video.

00:50:45.000 Wait. There was no denial there.

00:50:48.000 Yeah. He was just insulting the guy.

00:50:51.000 Okay, so then he gets the one where he denies it.

00:50:55.000 Just so, like...

00:50:56.000 I don't know.

00:50:57.000 I want to find it because he denied it.

00:50:59.000 Yeah, but I'm still cool with him just sliming the guy.

00:51:03.000 Totally fine with me.

00:51:04.000 Why is it cool just to slime somebody?

00:51:06.000 Is he a liar?

00:51:07.000 Because journalists lie to us constantly.

00:51:09.000 Guys, if I...

00:51:10.000 Because Goldberg was a purveyor of the Russia hoax.

00:51:13.000 Actually, can I ask you guys?

00:51:15.000 You guys are like a bunch of badass journalists or media guys.

00:51:18.000 No, not at all.

00:51:18.000 You're not.

00:51:19.000 I am.

00:51:21.000 Tara, wait.

00:51:21.000 I'll take that one.

00:51:22.000 If you were on this chat, Would you actually report it?

00:51:30.000 If what?

00:51:30.000 If you were on the chat, would you share it?

00:51:32.000 I would have contacted...

00:51:34.000 If I was included in a single chat, I'd say, hey guys, discontinue, wrong person.

00:51:40.000 I actually have the phone numbers of many of these people.

00:51:43.000 Yeah, me too.

00:51:44.000 Indeed. And if they texted me, I'd say, guys, wrong chat, boot me out.

00:51:47.000 And they'd say, whoops, and there'd be no story.

00:51:49.000 There's no issue.

00:51:49.000 How your information about war plans against the Hitties in Yemen--

00:51:54.000 Tara, you better have this quote right if we're running through all these videos.

00:51:59.000 Nobody was texting war plans.

00:52:01.000 There we go.

00:52:01.000 Indeed. Who was that that said that, though?

00:52:03.000 No, now it depends on how you define war plans because he was just talking about coordinates.

00:52:08.000 The whole thing is semantics now.

00:52:09.000 It always is.

00:52:10.000 Was it war plans or was it war attacks?

00:52:13.000 Tara, how would you respond to somebody who says, hey, these are just...

00:52:16.000 Wait, you didn't finish here.

00:52:19.000 Like Pete Hexeth and others in the administration were saying that these were just a few disgruntled employees.

00:52:24.000 John Yuliat, he said he resigned, but, you know, he probably could have been asked for his resignation.

00:52:29.000 These guys are probably pissed because they probably got caught allegedly leaking, which is what Hexeth said.

00:52:34.000 So if these guys were found to be the leakers, it would be worth firing them, correct?

00:52:40.000 I think if they were leaking classified information, yeah.

00:52:43.000 Do you believe that these guys were involved?

00:52:45.000 Do you know the story enough to comment on that part?

00:52:47.000 Because these guys were, again, allegedly involved in the leaking of the war plans.

00:52:52.000 The Iran war plans.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, about Iran.

00:52:56.000 I'm not going to comment on that.

00:52:58.000 I don't know.

00:52:58.000 Okay, so I feel like, again, we're leaving some parts of this story in the dark now because, again, is the department in disarray or is it in disarray because there are leakers and President Trump now is fixing it because there are leakers and this is making it better, not in disarray, if anything, right?

00:53:13.000 I'm trying to flesh this through.

00:53:14.000 There were leakers in the Department of Defense, right?

00:53:16.000 In the Pentagon.

00:53:17.000 We're assuming these people are leakers. 1.00

00:53:19.000 Allegedly. Allegedly.

00:53:20.000 Allegedly. You saw the reports from the New York Times.

00:53:23.000 The New York Times, somebody in the Department of Defense was leaking.

00:53:27.000 Pete Hegseth said it was them and fired them as a result of it.

00:53:30.000 Now they seem to be disgruntled.

00:53:32.000 Yeah, now they're willing.

00:53:33.000 Isn't all of this...

00:53:34.000 No, no, no, you're right.

00:53:34.000 Now they're disgruntled.

00:53:36.000 And you got, like, people in the media are opportunistically using this story to try to veer narratives off of, you know, what they think might be dispopular elsewhere.

00:53:44.000 But is this making sense to you as I'm running through this?

00:53:46.000 No, it makes sense to me.

00:53:47.000 So isn't it a good thing that they got fired, allegedly, if they were?

00:53:50.000 Leakers? Like, isn't it not disarray?

00:53:52.000 It's repairing.

00:53:53.000 The only thing I think is good about it is if they now feel like they can talk about what they saw.

00:53:58.000 I do think that if you were...

00:54:00.000 I'm still in shock that if you guys were on this chat, you wouldn't have shared it.

00:54:04.000 Why would...

00:54:04.000 I don't...

00:54:05.000 I didn't respond.

00:54:06.000 You have sources that you would expose?

00:54:09.000 You would expose private sources, private information?

00:54:11.000 That wasn't a source relationship thing.

00:54:13.000 That was a...

00:54:14.000 That was a...

00:54:16.000 I am watching classified information.

00:54:18.000 That is almost like walking in on someone doing a crime.

00:54:21.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:54:23.000 If you walked in on someone doing a crime, how would you not cover that?

00:54:26.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:54:27.000 Yeah. Why do you have the phone numbers of government officials?

00:54:30.000 I have sources.

00:54:31.000 Okay. If they accidentally texted you private information, you'd report that.

00:54:37.000 If you want to say their source, you would.

00:54:38.000 I would have to say, if it was an accident, I might...

00:54:43.000 Reach out to them, but that was not what happened to them.

00:54:45.000 That's not what happened.

00:54:45.000 What do you mean?

00:54:45.000 They accidentally included Goldberg on this?

00:54:47.000 The reason that he decided to go with this one is because of the way they were communicating classified information.

00:54:53.000 What was classified?

00:54:54.000 All of it.

00:54:55.000 What? Oh, come on.

00:54:56.000 They said it wasn't classified.

00:54:58.000 Yeah. That's not an answer.

00:55:00.000 Are you dealing in facts or opinions?

00:55:02.000 I mean, you should be the one who's talking.

00:55:04.000 Indeed. I'm asking the question.

00:55:06.000 And we have an official statement from the executive branch and their plenary classification powers that it wasn't classified.

00:55:12.000 They can declassify also.

00:55:13.000 Indeed they can.

00:55:14.000 So when they say it wasn't classified, it's not.

00:55:16.000 Oh, if Trump decides it's not classified, then it's not classified.

00:55:19.000 Indeed. But would you have wanted those people in Yemen or our service members to be exposed by that information and if, say, it was intercepted?

00:55:28.000 Which information?

00:55:29.000 The plans for the attack.

00:55:30.000 What was the plan?

00:55:31.000 What are you talking about?

00:55:32.000 Exactly how they were going to attack these people in Yemen.

00:55:35.000 What details are you referring to?

00:55:37.000 All of the details in that chat.

00:55:39.000 Do you know the details?

00:55:40.000 Yeah, I'll read them, actually.

00:55:41.000 You're going to look them up.

00:55:42.000 Yeah, I don't know them.

00:55:43.000 I do.

00:55:44.000 Okay, then tell us.

00:55:45.000 F-18s and launch times.

00:55:47.000 No targets, no personnel, no locations.

00:55:49.000 So, whether or not...

00:55:51.000 It was much more detailed than that.

00:55:52.000 It had the date, it was the time.

00:55:55.000 Listen, I'm going to pull this up.

00:55:57.000 The reason why they argued it wasn't classified is because the launch of vehicles, I'm sorry, I think it was vehicles, not weapons, no specific targets, and unspecified locations.

00:56:06.000 And so they argued this is not classified information.

00:56:09.000 In fact, on top of this...

00:56:10.000 And why did he share it with them, anyway?

00:56:12.000 With other members of the cabinet?

00:56:13.000 The people that needed to know were Mike Waltz.

00:56:16.000 They were having a conversation about whether they were going to carry it out.

00:56:18.000 Before it even happened.

00:56:20.000 But would you want...

00:56:21.000 Would you want anyone to have that information before it happened?

00:56:23.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:56:24.000 Yes. Why does the military let Richard Engel embed with them on military strikes?

00:56:31.000 But they have agreements when you do that.

00:56:33.000 I've done that kind of thing before.

00:56:35.000 You can't report it before it happens.

00:56:37.000 How come it wasn't a big story that Richard Engel brought his personal cell phone to Syria during the Assad missions?

00:56:41.000 I don't know about this story.

00:56:42.000 And this is substantially worse than Signalgate will ever be.

00:56:45.000 It was never a story.

00:56:46.000 Richard Engel, correspondent for NBC News, carried his personal cell phone into Assad territory, giving away all U.S. intel to a foreign adversary.

00:56:54.000 And not a single journalist cared at all.

00:56:57.000 And now they're going, signal gate.

00:56:59.000 And I'm like, so someone accidentally got texted vehicles in an attack that everybody knew was going to be happening at some point because Trump said they were going to do it.

00:57:09.000 And so it's not a pretty moment, I suppose, to accidentally loop the journalist in.

00:57:13.000 But I will add, the government brings journalists in these conversations all the time and have their security compromised unintentionally by these individuals.

00:57:20.000 And not a single journalist will ever call out one of their own.

00:57:23.000 Okay, here's one.

00:57:24.000 I'm still waiting for any journalist to call out Richard Engel.

00:57:31.000 I'm just reading the text.

00:57:32.000 I don't know where.

00:57:32.000 Time now.

00:57:33.000 11.40.

00:57:34.000 I'm reading the text that you said are just like nothing.

00:57:37.000 11.44.

00:57:37.000 Weather is favorable.

00:57:38.000 Just confirmed with CENTCOM.

00:57:40.000 We are a go for mission launch.

00:57:42.000 J.D. Vance.

00:57:43.000 The strongest reason.

00:57:44.000 It doesn't matter anyway what he says.

00:57:46.000 All that matters is what Pete Hegseth says because that is obviously the...

00:57:50.000 Here you can see.

00:57:52.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:57:52.000 Am I going to have to sign up for The Atlantic to read this one?

00:57:57.000 Establishing a principles group for coordinating on who these particularly...

00:58:00.000 No, guys, don't laugh.

00:58:02.000 I'm going to read through it all.

00:58:03.000 Nobody left.

00:58:04.000 Okay. Mm-hmm.

00:58:06.000 I mean, to be fair, we've gone over this probably 17 times.

00:58:08.000 Yeah, but I'm just saying you minimized it.

00:58:10.000 And we're like, yeah, it's just like a text message.

00:58:12.000 It's no big deal.

00:58:12.000 Just friends chatting.

00:58:14.000 This was a war attack.

00:58:16.000 It's a question of if it's classified or not.

00:58:19.000 So the information given, which is surprising to me, is at first I thought, did they include Goldberg on purpose?

00:58:24.000 Because this is actually routine stuff.

00:58:27.000 I've been given tons of private information from government sources often, and they say, just don't repeat it, it's off the record.

00:58:31.000 With every single person's number on there, and like the chief of staff, and the vice president, and the entire national security apparatus essentially on there. 0.99

00:58:40.000 I think you're a hypocrite. 0.99

00:58:41.000 Oh, sure. 1.00

00:58:42.000 Thanks for the name-calling.

00:58:44.000 Well, I'm describing a behavior you just engaged in.

00:58:47.000 What is that?

00:58:48.000 That you say, I can't reveal sources.

00:58:50.000 Sometimes they have to be anonymous.

00:58:52.000 I wouldn't expose my sources.

00:58:53.000 That's why we don't reveal their information.

00:58:55.000 Then Goldberg gets given privy to access to a communication, and you're saying, I can't believe you guys wouldn't have shared this.

00:59:00.000 Indeed. I know people who work in government— But it wasn't intentional, and they were sharing— Okay, but I want to go back to the— So my question for you is, would you expose your private sources if they accidentally sent you information?

00:59:10.000 And you didn't know.

00:59:11.000 You didn't have an answer.

00:59:12.000 It depends on the situation.

00:59:13.000 And I don't think I would expose my sources, but if it was this situation where he was mistakenly added to a chat that includes—this was a rare situation, okay?

00:59:22.000 Why not just be like, guys, take me off?

00:59:24.000 Okay, here's this.

00:59:26.000 Weather is favorable.

00:59:27.000 Just confirmed with CENTCOM.

00:59:28.000 We are a go for a mission launch.

00:59:30.000 That was at 12.15.

00:59:32.000 F-18s launch, first strike package.

00:59:34.000 Trigger-based.

00:59:35.000 F-18 first strike window starts.

00:59:37.000 Target terrorist is at his known location, so should be on time.

00:59:41.000 Also strikes, drone launch, MQNs.

00:59:45.000 1410, more F-18s launch, second strike package.

00:59:49.000 Okay. I could keep going because...

00:59:51.000 Here's my question.

00:59:53.000 14, 15, strike drones on target.

00:59:55.000 This is when the first bombs will definitively drop, pending earlier triggered-based targets.

00:59:59.000 15, 36, F-18, second strike starts.

01:00:03.000 Also first, like, do you want me to keep going?

01:00:05.000 Like, this is obviously...

01:00:06.000 No, because we know all of this.

01:00:07.000 These are obviously detailed attacks.

01:00:08.000 You made it seem like it was two text messages.

01:00:10.000 I didn't say that.

01:00:11.000 You did.

01:00:12.000 We've gone over the story extensively.

01:00:13.000 You also said there was one source, now there's four sources.

01:00:15.000 It's like...

01:00:16.000 Is that the only argument you have?

01:00:17.000 Yeah, because you don't keep the facts straight.

01:00:20.000 You are overly emotional on this story.

01:00:21.000 You are overly defensive of Democrats and the media apparatus.

01:00:25.000 I'm not defensive of Democrats and I'm not defensive.

01:00:27.000 I am defensive of journalists.

01:00:29.000 I'm defensive of journalists.

01:00:31.000 And I'm just as critical of Biden as I was of Trump.

01:00:36.000 And I was one of the few journalists that said that he was too old and that he should be running.

01:00:39.000 So here's how journalism should approach SignalGate.

01:00:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:00:43.000 Indeed. Is it routine for journalists to be given access to this kind of information?

01:00:48.000 No, it's not.

01:00:49.000 Yes, it is.

01:00:50.000 Is that?

01:00:51.000 Yes. If you got that, there would be an embargo on it.

01:00:54.000 No. No, that kind of information we would not get access to.

01:00:57.000 Yes, there could be an embargo.

01:00:58.000 Indeed, agreed.

01:00:58.000 And I don't think that we would get access to that, honestly.

01:01:01.000 Richard Engels was given direct access to go on U.S. missions.

01:01:05.000 What year was it?

01:01:05.000 This is the beginning of the Arab Spring 10 years ago.

01:01:08.000 Okay. So it is a fact that U.S. journalists embed with the military on classified missions.

01:01:13.000 And it's very, very, very, like, it's very tight if it's a classified mission.

01:01:18.000 Indeed. It's not a signal.

01:01:21.000 My point was, the questions we need to ask on SignalGate if you're actually trying to understand what's going on in the truth is, is information like this routinely given to journalists?

01:01:30.000 The answer is yes.

01:01:31.000 Not routinely. 0.93

01:01:32.000 The answer is yes, with a butt. 0.53

01:01:33.000 No, it's not routinely. 0.55

01:01:34.000 That would be a very rare situation.

01:01:36.000 You referenced something that happened 10 years ago.

01:01:38.000 Give me another routine time when this happens.

01:01:41.000 It's very rare.

01:01:42.000 Should I pull up all of the war footage from every news outlet ever in every conflict?

01:01:45.000 Okay, war footage is when you are literally in the war with them and you cannot report until the actual thing happens afterwards, right?

01:01:52.000 So you're misunderstanding.

01:01:54.000 They mistakenly...

01:01:55.000 You are misunderstanding.

01:01:55.000 This was a mistake.

01:01:57.000 A mistake.

01:01:58.000 You are being way too emotional and jumping the gun on the point I'm trying to make.

01:02:02.000 And you're talking over.

01:02:03.000 Okay. So the first thing I said was, is information like this routinely given to journalists?

01:02:07.000 The answer is yes, that it is.

01:02:09.000 In this regard, it may have accidentally been given to a journalist.

01:02:12.000 So the question then we have is, was there damage done?

01:02:15.000 The answer is no, there was no damage done.

01:02:17.000 So the question then after that is...

01:02:19.000 That we know of.

01:02:20.000 Who cares?

01:02:20.000 That we know of.

01:02:22.000 I mean, we might not have sources in Yemen anymore because of that.

01:02:25.000 We might not.

01:02:26.000 I can speculate 15 million things all the time.

01:02:28.000 But a journalist isn't going to do that.

01:02:29.000 They're going to say, I don't see any ramifications from this story.

01:02:31.000 It's an interesting thing that happened.

01:02:33.000 Maybe it was a good thing that it became public because they won't be using Signal again.

01:02:38.000 They all use Signal.

01:02:40.000 Why wouldn't they?

01:02:40.000 For classified information.

01:02:41.000 And I agree they shouldn't if it's disappearing.

01:02:43.000 Wait, you know Signal is regularly used improperly, but this isn't the first time.

01:02:49.000 But not for...

01:02:50.000 But in past administrations and classified information is regularly put onto Signal.

01:02:56.000 The issue was that it was leaked accidentally from Goldberg.

01:03:00.000 But no, you don't think past administrations have used this?

01:03:03.000 Signal is used regularly.

01:03:05.000 They have.

01:03:05.000 No, I know.

01:03:05.000 They have.

01:03:06.000 Okay, so the real issue was Goldberg being...

01:03:08.000 The issue is, the extent of the story from a bland assessment is...

01:03:13.000 Wow, who did that?

01:03:14.000 I guess don't do it again.

01:03:16.000 Instead, we've gotten a two-month ongoing...

01:03:18.000 It's the apocalypse?

01:03:19.000 A text message, man.

01:03:21.000 If there is another chat...

01:03:24.000 Okay, there are multiples.

01:03:25.000 It wasn't just that.

01:03:25.000 There was the Houthi one, and then there was another one.

01:03:28.000 Which other one?

01:03:30.000 Mike Waltz set up a second chat chain.

01:03:33.000 Are you saying signals in general?

01:03:36.000 I just...

01:03:36.000 Yes! You're not supposed to use Signal for this kind of information.

01:03:39.000 I agree.

01:03:40.000 You can use Signal for like, you know, hey, let's have a meeting, let's do this.

01:03:44.000 No, no, no.

01:03:45.000 None of that can disappear.

01:03:46.000 It's also corporate.

01:03:48.000 Signal, they should be used for encryption, but all of that needs to be left for the public to have after the fact.

01:03:53.000 The problem with Signal is that they're disappearing public records.

01:03:56.000 They shouldn't be doing that.

01:03:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:57.000 The previous administrations had done it as well, and no one should be doing it.

01:04:01.000 Exactly. You said signal is fine so long as they don't delete the messages.

01:04:04.000 I agree with you.

01:04:05.000 I believe in holding on to records.

01:04:07.000 And that is a violation of the National Records Act.

01:04:10.000 We'll jump to the next story here.

01:04:13.000 Otherwise, we're talking in circles.

01:04:14.000 So let's just go to the Postmillennial.

01:04:16.000 Andrew Cuomo has been criminally referred to the DOJ over COVID nursing home disaster.

01:04:21.000 Now, while the story does sound fun, it actually is just James Comer saying that Cuomo made false statements to Congress and he's referring him to Pam Bondi.

01:04:30.000 The rumor is, I believe it was Steve Bannon who said, we should expect to see some arrests by summer, but I won't hold my breath.

01:04:36.000 So seeing this story does make me feel, I would say, the dried, withered husk of hope that's just disheveled and lying within my core, maybe pulsed once as soon as this story popped up.

01:04:48.000 But again, does anybody really think they're going to indict Cuomo?

01:04:52.000 No, because he's going to be mayor.

01:04:54.000 Exactly. I was going to say I'm truly conflicted because if they did indict Cuomo, the runner-up in the New York City Democratic mayoral primary is this socialist named Zorhan Mamdani, this AOC wannabe.

01:05:09.000 So that would be a huge disaster.

01:05:11.000 It's crazy how I'm actually rooting for Cuomo in the New York City. 0.92

01:05:14.000 Genocidal maniac?

01:05:16.000 Why would you be rooting for Cuomo against... 0.94

01:05:18.000 Against the communists in New York.

01:05:21.000 Wait, is that a serious question?

01:05:22.000 Because I don't want the communists to...

01:05:24.000 I'm an anti-communist.

01:05:25.000 Oh, buddy, I'm not so sure about that there.

01:05:28.000 We had that all fight about...

01:05:30.000 No, he changed his mind, remember?

01:05:31.000 He changed your mind about Pratt.

01:05:32.000 He said Bezos shouldn't be taxed.

01:05:34.000 Do you think that Eric Adams should have a shot?

01:05:37.000 I mean, he doesn't have a shot.

01:05:38.000 In the race?

01:05:39.000 I just think Cuomo should be in prison.

01:05:41.000 Yeah. For this.

01:05:43.000 For killing all those people in those COVID nursing homes? 0.99

01:05:45.000 For sure.

01:05:45.000 Nuremberg trials for Cuomo.

01:05:47.000 For sure.

01:05:47.000 Were the sexual assault allegations kosher and not kosher?

01:05:51.000 They were kosher with all the women that heard about them.

01:05:53.000 Tara, at your time at ABC, I don't know.

01:05:56.000 What's going on with Cuomo?

01:05:57.000 Because I know a lot of the news networks had a really good relationship with him, especially during the pandemic.

01:06:02.000 He was supposed to be like...

01:06:03.000 I wasn't at ABC during the pandemic.

01:06:06.000 I left.

01:06:07.000 I wasn't into the corporate media.

01:06:08.000 Oh, never mind.

01:06:09.000 I went to go do an Epstein podcast, so as much as you think I protect the corporate media, it wasn't my jam.

01:06:14.000 No, I think just one of them.

01:06:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:16.000 I respect reporters and journalists.

01:06:18.000 Like, I actually, when I was a child, I really wanted to be a muckraker.

01:06:22.000 I don't know if you know much about them, but they were Nellie Bly, you know, these type of investigative journalists that could get their hands dirty and they could expose the powerful and hold them to account by getting real facts and information.

01:06:33.000 So, to me, accountability journalist, journalism is super important, and I side with people when they find information.

01:06:40.000 Of course, it has to be accurate and it has to be correct, but I do believe at the core of journalism.

01:06:45.000 Journalism, it's to bring information to light that protects people.

01:06:48.000 I call that activism.

01:06:49.000 I don't call that activism because I don't- Which people do you protect?

01:06:52.000 Because I don't- I go after both sides.

01:06:54.000 No, no, no.

01:06:54.000 I didn't say politically.

01:06:55.000 I said, which people do you protect?

01:06:56.000 I don't protect people.

01:06:57.000 In fact, you know- You just said to protect people.

01:06:59.000 No, to protect human beings.

01:07:01.000 Like, in general.

01:07:02.000 Like, from people who have power.

01:07:06.000 From people with power.

01:07:07.000 And what do people with power do?

01:07:09.000 They abuse it, as we talk about.

01:07:11.000 I mean, at that time, it was the robber barons and the way they were treating people in the meatpacking industries.

01:07:16.000 But now, it's people in power.

01:07:17.000 They, like, look at what happened with the Biden administration.

01:07:20.000 What was that?

01:07:21.000 Would you say, like, people, like...

01:07:23.000 Bezos and Bill Gates.

01:07:25.000 Yeah, everyone with power needs to be held into account.

01:07:28.000 What I'm saying, are you implying that they are abusing people?

01:07:32.000 Because it's one thing to say you're in a position of authority and you're in a position of power, so you should be scrutinized.

01:07:37.000 But it's another thing to be like, I think you're actually doing.

01:07:40.000 No, I would never accuse anybody of anything until I had actual information to be able to do that.

01:07:45.000 What degree of power do you think warrants this kind of spotlight? 0.50

01:07:50.000 I think that if you are an elected official, for example, I think if you oversee, like, perhaps you're a major CEO of a company that sells products to people and maybe there's some sort of,

01:08:06.000 like, poison in the products, you know, it's about, like...

01:08:09.000 So what if it's a big corporation that has a customer base and they're mass-deceiving their customer base in some way?

01:08:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:17.000 I think it's about protecting the masses.

01:08:20.000 It's populism-driven.

01:08:22.000 It's a populist form of journalism.

01:08:23.000 Let me ask you, there's a big company with a million customers and they have deceived all of their customers.

01:08:29.000 If you found there was an employer of that company who knew what was going on and was deceiving these people, that person is to be targeted as well, yes?

01:08:36.000 The employee would be a part of the story for sure.

01:08:40.000 What if the employee is the one doing it?

01:08:42.000 That's the story, for sure.

01:08:43.000 It should be exposed.

01:08:44.000 Of course.

01:08:44.000 If the employee was doing it, and if they were doing it independently, or were they being told by higher-ups to do it, I think, in general, this is just a populist form of journalism.

01:08:55.000 I started my career at the New York Post.

01:08:56.000 I've always believed that, to me, the best thing was when we got a dinkus that said Post got action, and that meant that whatever we reported resulted in some sort of change.

01:09:06.000 What degree of proof do you need?

01:09:09.000 If there's—let's say that this employee then breaks off and starts his own company and is like, I'm going to do this thing.

01:09:15.000 What degree of proof of intent, like mens reo, would you need to actually publish something that damages their business?

01:09:23.000 Here's where I—this is what I look at.

01:09:25.000 I think, does this story matter?

01:09:28.000 Does it, like, have impact on human beings' lives?

01:09:32.000 I think about the sources.

01:09:33.000 I consider my sources.

01:09:35.000 And also, I have a reputation. 0.99

01:09:36.000 Like, I've been doing this for 15 years, and I want to make sure that people, when they read my stuff, they're like, oh, yeah, that shit's legit.

01:09:41.000 In the same way that when I saw that New York Times article, I saw the bylines, and I was like, oh, I've worked with those people before. 0.84

01:09:47.000 They're legit, and others aren't.

01:09:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:49.000 So let me ask you, of this company where the guy, he comes out, he's doing this.

01:09:53.000 What do you think they should do?

01:09:55.000 Let's say a news story breaks and says this person, they left this big corporation, they're still doing this evil thing.

01:10:00.000 When that story breaks, what should the individual who is accused of evil do?

01:10:05.000 Well, they should defend themselves if they think that they are defensible or they should admit guilt if they did something wrong.

01:10:11.000 Well, who's going to think they're guilty?

01:10:12.000 I mean, everyone thinks they're doing something justifiable.

01:10:14.000 I don't know.

01:10:15.000 Some people have to admit guilt.

01:10:17.000 I mean, some people, they don't admit guilt or they just say no comment or they hide.

01:10:23.000 Sometimes you have something on tape and it's almost undeniable.

01:10:27.000 I mean, in AI times, it's hard.

01:10:28.000 What if they weren't intentionally deceiving the customers, but they were just wrong the whole time?

01:10:33.000 It'd be a nuance in the story.

01:10:36.000 Should they shut their company down and say, wow, I can't believe I did that?

01:10:39.000 I think that it depends on the story.

01:10:41.000 I think it really depends on...

01:10:43.000 I think there are shades of gray in everything in life.

01:10:46.000 Like, I know it's easy.

01:10:47.000 We want to live in this world where there's an answer for everything.

01:10:50.000 But there isn't an answer for everything.

01:10:51.000 Sometimes you have to make calls.

01:10:53.000 You have to make decisions based on what the evidence shows you.

01:10:56.000 What if the reporting destroys this person's life?

01:10:59.000 They lose their job.

01:11:00.000 They get canceled, all that stuff.

01:11:02.000 And they never intentionally did something wrong.

01:11:04.000 They just didn't realize what they were doing was wrong and hurting people.

01:11:06.000 I mean...

01:11:07.000 How much power does this person have that they don't know what they're doing is wrong?

01:11:11.000 Again, it's got to be a story.

01:11:13.000 A million customers.

01:11:15.000 They think that they're doing something good, but the product is actually bad and the people are being lied to.

01:11:20.000 Well, they have to take accountability for what happened.

01:11:23.000 So whether it's an apology and they say, I'm so sorry that this happened.

01:11:27.000 I didn't know that the chicken I was selling you had whatever chlorine.

01:11:32.000 I know they use chlorine in chicken actually now, but whatever you want to use, some sort of product.

01:11:35.000 But should they quit?

01:11:36.000 Should they shut down?

01:11:38.000 It depends on the situation.

01:11:41.000 If it wasn't like...

01:11:43.000 It depends.

01:11:44.000 I don't know.

01:11:44.000 I guess what I'm saying is like...

01:11:46.000 They may not even have to shut down.

01:11:47.000 They could try to keep going and they just might lose customers.

01:11:50.000 My argument is if a story breaks accusing this person of wrongdoing, no one's going to accept that.

01:11:56.000 Yeah. So it's like what is actually accomplished.

01:12:00.000 What do you mean?

01:12:01.000 It's exposing something that's happening in the world.

01:12:03.000 Like we can't live in a place where information is like...

01:12:06.000 You need information to make decisions.

01:12:08.000 We need truth.

01:12:10.000 That's power.

01:12:11.000 Truth is how we protect ourselves.

01:12:15.000 I don't want to live in la-la land. 1.00

01:12:17.000 If you got a leaked message from this company and maybe some people who worked with this person, and releasing it would destroy their business, it didn't necessarily show that they were evil, but that what they were doing was probably hurting people.

01:12:30.000 You would release it for sure.

01:12:31.000 If I had the sourcing, if I had done the reporting...

01:12:36.000 If I had gotten down to the story and had as complete a story as possible, including the fact that this person may be unaware of what they're doing, which I would include in the story, allowing the readers to decide, you know, if I thought it was harming the public, I would release it.

01:12:51.000 Yeah, I would, because I think it's important for people to know.

01:12:54.000 And I do think that, like, we don't live in this world that we live in right now if it wasn't for those people who have risked, you know.

01:13:03.000 They risk their own lives to try to report.

01:13:06.000 I hope and I pray that that journalist exists and they get you.

01:13:10.000 Why? For what?

01:13:11.000 Well, you worked for the big corporation that was lying to the American people.

01:13:14.000 You started your own company.

01:13:15.000 You still lie to the American people.

01:13:16.000 How do I lie to the American people?

01:13:18.000 Your defense of the corporate news industry.

01:13:21.000 I'm not defending the corporate industry.

01:13:23.000 But I'm just making a point.

01:13:24.000 I'm not, but I haven't done anything.

01:13:25.000 That you view yourself as largely righteous.

01:13:26.000 I'm not righteous.

01:13:27.000 I'm doing this.

01:13:28.000 I have a goal.

01:13:29.000 What's wrong with having a mission and having a goal in life?

01:13:33.000 What's wrong with wanting to do the right thing?

01:13:34.000 You said that.

01:13:35.000 The point is you think you are morally justified in going after these people, and I'm not saying you aren't.

01:13:39.000 But going after who?

01:13:40.000 People that you view as having power.

01:13:43.000 Power is...

01:13:44.000 You have power.

01:13:44.000 You have lots of power.

01:13:45.000 You have substantially more power than 99% of the people in this country.

01:13:48.000 And you know what?

01:13:48.000 If I do something wrong and someone finds out about it and they have correct reporting, fine.

01:13:53.000 I will answer to it.

01:13:54.000 What if you report on a manufacturing business because some guy at the top took a kickback of $10,000 and it results in the company going out of business and 100 employees lose their job and now a middle-class working guy in the middle of the country says, I'm homeless and destitute because of you?

01:14:07.000 I mean, these are complex questions, but this is— Indeed it is, which is my point, is when you say that your intention is to strike— But are you just saying that we shouldn't just not cover powerful people?

01:14:15.000 We should just let everybody run amok?

01:14:16.000 Certainly not.

01:14:17.000 I'm saying that— You want to be Russia? 0.82

01:14:18.000 Like, what do you want?

01:14:18.000 You have a myopic, morally righteous worldview where you think you are true and correct and other people are not.

01:14:24.000 I don't think I'm perfect.

01:14:27.000 The point I'm making is the appropriate response in the SignalGate story would have been for Goldberg to just say— Oh, my God.

01:14:33.000 Yeah, right.

01:14:34.000 You can calm down. 1.00

01:14:35.000 It would have been for him to just say, guys, take me off this chat, instead of destroying the lives over a stupid texting error. 1.00

01:14:41.000 Say, guys, never let this happen again. 1.00

01:14:44.000 It could get people hurt.

01:14:45.000 You shouldn't put me on it.

01:14:46.000 We'll keep it private.

01:14:47.000 That employee who loses his job because you blow the whistle on one guy at a mid-level who took a kickback would say, why didn't you just keep this under wraps?

01:14:55.000 We would have all kept our jobs. 0.96

01:14:56.000 Why did you have to destroy our lives because he did something ridiculous? 0.91

01:15:00.000 But here's the thing. 0.69

01:15:01.000 How do we know that because one guy gets fired that the whole company goes under?

01:15:05.000 How do we know that somebody else doesn't just get promoted and take that job?

01:15:12.000 Yeah, they'll get another job, I'm sure.

01:15:14.000 I'm sure they can learn to code.

01:15:15.000 They'll be fine, right?

01:15:16.000 You said Americans don't care about signal leak, but apparently 74% of U.S. adults do.

01:15:21.000 And that includes Republicans.

01:15:22.000 That's according to YouGov.

01:15:25.000 And you've also referenced polls.

01:15:26.000 What was the question?

01:15:26.000 The question was...

01:15:27.000 Yeah, I tend not to reference signal polls.

01:15:29.000 ...share of Americans who...

01:15:30.000 You did, though, many times.

01:15:31.000 You said Echelon.

01:15:32.000 You said Pew.

01:15:33.000 Is that three polls at once?

01:15:34.000 You definitely mentioned at least three in this show.

01:15:37.000 Exactly. I like to use polls that have multivariate...

01:15:42.000 Results, different polls.

01:15:43.000 If I'm not allowed to use polls, but you are, let me know.

01:15:45.000 I'm allowed to use three polls.

01:15:47.000 I'm asking you if you're citing one, I don't give it as much weight.

01:15:49.000 Here's another one, Rasmussen.

01:15:49.000 You also said Rasmussen earlier.

01:15:51.000 I didn't say Rasmussen.

01:15:53.000 Rasmussen, sorry.

01:15:54.000 You did say it at Rasmussen, whatever.

01:15:56.000 You said it earlier.

01:15:57.000 I didn't.

01:15:58.000 I'm pretty sure I recall you saying that, but 48% of people...

01:16:01.000 I didn't because we learned recently that's pronounced Rasmussen by the guy from Rasmussen who came here.

01:16:05.000 And also, I just want to say the definition of classified information includes, quote, information providing indication or advance warning that the U.S. or its allies are preparing an attack.

01:16:14.000 Does Pete Hegseff have the authority over the DOD's information, whether it's classified or not?

01:16:19.000 I think Trump is the one who decides, right, about classification?

01:16:22.000 I don't know that answer.

01:16:23.000 Universally, but what about specifically DOD information?

01:16:25.000 I don't know that answer.

01:16:25.000 It is HexF.

01:16:26.000 Okay. So if he says it's not classified, it's not.

01:16:29.000 The ultimate issue that I bring up with all these questions is...

01:16:32.000 Well, he better hope he's right.

01:16:33.000 The appropriate way that you handle a thing like this is to say, guys, take me off this text chat, and there's no story.

01:16:40.000 But what if they take you off the text chat and carry on committing a crime, like you said, the National Records Act?

01:16:47.000 Well, the Biden administration did that, too.

01:16:49.000 Okay. So perhaps the response should be, hey, guys, you know, the Biden administration and probably Obama and now the Trump administration are all doing this thing.

01:16:56.000 Yeah. I don't think there was Signal during Obama years.

01:16:59.000 There was.

01:17:00.000 It was?

01:17:00.000 Yeah, but I doubt they used it because it was new.

01:17:02.000 I think it was like 2014.

01:17:03.000 I don't remember.

01:17:03.000 Actually, I'm pretty sure we used Signal back in 2011.

01:17:06.000 Really? Yeah, but I don't think they used it.

01:17:07.000 The point is, the use of this is more than an administrative issue between...

01:17:11.000 It's like, we're not going to go and arrest Obama, Biden, and Trump.

01:17:15.000 Because of a National Records Act violation, we're going to say this should not be allowed.

01:17:19.000 Congress needs to quash this immediately.

01:17:23.000 My point is, there is this argument about journalism is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

01:17:30.000 But what we often end up with, especially in this generation...

01:17:32.000 I don't think that that's absolutely what journalism is.

01:17:35.000 That's the famous quote.

01:17:36.000 Okay, some people say that.

01:17:38.000 One person said that.

01:17:40.000 I don't know about it.

01:17:40.000 I know, and journalists go to J school and they preach it and they love it.

01:17:43.000 So my concern is, When you see instances like this, there's appropriate ways to handle things for the betterment of humanity.

01:17:51.000 Yeah. But Goldberg did not do that.

01:17:53.000 But actually, in some ways, I think if...

01:17:56.000 He caused division, chaos, and fighting.

01:17:59.000 Or he showed the American people how...

01:18:02.000 What, a text error happened?

01:18:03.000 How the White House conducts itself?

01:18:06.000 How the national security apparatus conducts itself?

01:18:08.000 Errors happen all the time.

01:18:09.000 Trump tweeted, That wasn't pre-planned information about an attack.

01:18:15.000 Joe Biden stole classified documents for the purpose of selling a book and making money.

01:18:19.000 Right? So did Trump.

01:18:21.000 Trump didn't do it to make money.

01:18:22.000 Trump had knickknacks from various boxes from his daily briefings.

01:18:25.000 Whatever they wanted to use it for, both of them did.

01:18:27.000 So did Pence.

01:18:28.000 So did Pompeo.

01:18:29.000 All these guys take their classified docs.

01:18:30.000 Only Trump got prosecuted for it.

01:18:32.000 No, I think they tried to.

01:18:33.000 And I agree with you that the Biden thing was pretty weak just saying he was an old man.

01:18:37.000 And that was the reason they weren't prosecuting him. 0.99

01:18:39.000 It was pretty pathetic. 0.88

01:18:39.000 So it is clear that there are appropriate ways to handle things that minimize damage, solve the problem without causing disarray for the United States. 0.88

01:18:46.000 What Goldberg and the media apparatus did with SignalGate and what they're continuing doing now isn't actually solving the problem of Signal being used or of accidentally texting people.

01:18:53.000 It's just a part.

01:18:54.000 It's partisan hackery.

01:18:55.000 How do we know that that hasn't stopped the use of signal?

01:18:58.000 It hasn't stopped the use of signal.

01:19:00.000 According to the four anonymous sources, I'm saying, in their view, it's still happening.

01:19:08.000 I don't know if they said it was still happening.

01:19:10.000 I thought that they said it was happening concurrently.

01:19:14.000 I haven't read that.

01:19:15.000 The other issue on top of this is the second Signalgate story, which, again, is largely a liberal Democrat phenomenon because the right doesn't care about it.

01:19:22.000 Yeah, I mean, you can say what people care about.

01:19:24.000 There's no information as to what was in these chats.

01:19:25.000 It's just vagaries.

01:19:27.000 So why is this the news?

01:19:29.000 This is not speaking truth to power.

01:19:30.000 This is not holding anyone to account.

01:19:31.000 This is not a mission.

01:19:32.000 This is partisan nonsense.

01:19:34.000 I don't think it's partisan nonsense.

01:19:36.000 I don't know why you're defending them. 1.00

01:19:37.000 They look like fools. 1.00

01:19:38.000 I think this is the issue. 1.00

01:19:40.000 You believe truth is the defense of Trump.

01:19:42.000 I believe truth is truth.

01:19:44.000 Truth is the defense of Trump?

01:19:45.000 Me saying a flat statement.

01:19:48.000 We don't know what's in these texts.

01:19:50.000 You said, why are you defending them?

01:19:51.000 I'm not.

01:19:52.000 I'm saying we don't know what's in the texts.

01:19:53.000 We saw the text.

01:19:54.000 They printed them out.

01:19:54.000 No, no, no.

01:19:55.000 Second signal gate.

01:19:56.000 Oh, that's still to come.

01:19:57.000 I mean, I have to look at the story.

01:19:58.000 Sure. When the anonymous people want to publish information, maybe they will.

01:20:02.000 We can have a conversation about whether it was good or bad.

01:20:04.000 I just, okay, let me see if they've actually published it.

01:20:07.000 This is the issue with modern journalism today, is that dispassion is viewed as defense of Trump.

01:20:13.000 Dispassion? You're fighting me.

01:20:15.000 This is passion.

01:20:15.000 On truth, not Trump.

01:20:17.000 I'm fighting you against the media.

01:20:19.000 You're telling me that this journalist should not have actually published these.

01:20:23.000 I don't agree with you on that.

01:20:24.000 I don't agree with you.

01:20:25.000 I'm not talking about the corporate media.

01:20:27.000 Don't try to conflate it.

01:20:27.000 That's what you're trying to do.

01:20:29.000 I think that in this situation, that if I had those messages, I would have done what Jeffrey Goldberg did.

01:20:35.000 Why are you defending Jeffrey Goldberg?

01:20:36.000 Because you're attacking him, and I think that I would have done what he did.

01:20:39.000 I really do.

01:20:41.000 Well, I'm not defending the Trump administration's use of signalgate.

01:20:43.000 Okay, I'm happy to hear that.

01:20:45.000 That's cool.

01:20:45.000 I'm happy to hear it.

01:20:46.000 Right. So my point is, when you say, why are you defending them?

01:20:49.000 This has been the trope in the Trump era.

01:20:52.000 The thing that you keep saying over and over again is that Americans don't care.

01:20:54.000 So this is just a made-up, manufactured story.

01:20:57.000 It's political.

01:20:57.000 And people don't care.

01:20:58.000 People don't care.

01:21:00.000 Okay, a lot of people don't care about a lot of things that matter.

01:21:02.000 And we can acknowledge that.

01:21:04.000 We don't know what's in Second Signal Gate.

01:21:06.000 We'll find out soon.

01:21:07.000 So for what is the purpose of running the story front page in New York Times?

01:21:10.000 Because his wife is on it. 0.78

01:21:13.000 How do you know?

01:21:13.000 That's what they're reporting.

01:21:15.000 Four sources, not one, like you said.

01:21:16.000 Four anonymous sources.

01:21:17.000 We don't know.

01:21:18.000 We've seen no evidence.

01:21:19.000 Okay. So why are you defending this attack against Trump?

01:21:23.000 Why are you anti-Trump?

01:21:25.000 I'm not anti-Trump.

01:21:26.000 Why would you say I'm defending Trump if I said we don't know what's in them and you call that a defense?

01:21:30.000 Then I call you anti-Trump.

01:21:31.000 How about this?

01:21:32.000 If it's not true, then why did...

01:21:35.000 I don't know if it's true.

01:21:36.000 I don't care.

01:21:37.000 What? Now we don't care if it's real or not.

01:21:39.000 That's my point the whole time.

01:21:40.000 No, no, no, no.

01:21:40.000 If the second chat isn't real, like you said, And you're questioning why it's on the cover of the New York Times.

01:21:46.000 Why did Sean Parnell, the chief Pentagon spokesperson, not deny it?

01:21:51.000 Why did he not respond to the New York Times and say, this is fake news?

01:21:56.000 Because they still haven't denied it.

01:21:57.000 Don't know.

01:21:58.000 Can't read his mind.

01:21:59.000 They have not—even Hegseth, which we should—if you have— I don't know.

01:22:03.000 I can't read his mind.

01:22:03.000 They should probably play the actual video of—I could probably find it because I think I played it by accident.

01:22:08.000 But we should play what Hegseth says because I don't think he's denying it again.

01:22:12.000 So my view is that we have an accusation with no evidence and there is some politicking going on.

01:22:19.000 Well, first of all, the Pentagon hasn't denied it yet.

01:22:22.000 So what?

01:22:23.000 So you're saying it's fake, but no one else has.

01:22:25.000 No, I did not say it's fake.

01:22:26.000 You're the only one saying it's fake.

01:22:27.000 I don't think you can understand what I'm saying.

01:22:28.000 No, I do understand what you're saying.

01:22:30.000 You don't.

01:22:30.000 You said it's based on one source.

01:22:32.000 There are four people that said it was...

01:22:34.000 No, I genuinely think you can't understand the words that I'm saying.

01:22:37.000 I can understand the words that you're saying.

01:22:38.000 You don't understand what you're saying.

01:22:40.000 I do.

01:22:41.000 Okay. We have a political story with no evidence.

01:22:45.000 For what reason is this front-page news?

01:22:49.000 Because this...

01:22:50.000 I bet you that this wouldn't be front-page news, by the way.

01:22:53.000 If the Pentagon just denied it.

01:22:55.000 Can you answer the question I asked?

01:22:57.000 No, no.

01:22:57.000 It matters.

01:22:58.000 It matters if he's doing it again because, as we said, it was a mistake.

01:23:01.000 If you commit a mistake twice, signal gate, in your words, an accident, a mistake.

01:23:06.000 He didn't accidentally text anybody wrong in this story.

01:23:09.000 Okay. This story says that he's on a text chat with his wife.

01:23:12.000 About, with more classified...

01:23:14.000 Yeah, he didn't accidentally text a journalist again.

01:23:16.000 Okay, let's just listen to what he said, because I don't think he's...

01:23:19.000 Let's see what happened.

01:23:20.000 It's not about texting the journalist.

01:23:21.000 It's about sharing classified information again.

01:23:23.000 How do we know he shared classified information?

01:23:25.000 Because that's what the story says, that the Pentagon is not denying...

01:23:27.000 It says specifically classified?

01:23:29.000 Explicitly said that he shared classified information.

01:23:32.000 That's, again...

01:23:34.000 Future strikes, and like I said when I actually gave you the definition of classified, which we can go over again, classified, according to the definition of classified information, information providing indication or advance warning that the U.S. or its allies are preparing an attack.

01:23:49.000 Okay, you don't want to hear what I have to say, but here's what the lead story is of the New York Times.

01:23:55.000 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared detailed information about forthcoming strikes in Yemen on March 15th in a private...

01:24:05.000 Okay. Okay.

01:24:12.000 Okay. No, it could never be classified.

01:24:17.000 But then here's the question.

01:24:17.000 If it's not real, why not deny it?

01:24:19.000 Why not deny it?

01:24:20.000 I think we're missing the forest for the trees here.

01:24:23.000 I agree.

01:24:23.000 And why I'm saying that is because in the second Signal chat, there wasn't a journalist added.

01:24:29.000 So one might ask, oh, how did these leaks get out?

01:24:32.000 It was most likely that one of the people that was fired for allegedly leaking is now continuing to leak against Hegseth because he has an axe to grind.

01:24:40.000 One of the people who was fired for allegedly leaking was the same guy who was Pete Hexeth's contact man in the first Signal Gate chat.

01:24:48.000 So it makes sense that this guy, one of the same guys who was his contact man in the first Signal Gate chat,

01:25:05.000 That's interesting.

01:25:05.000 Does that make sense to you?

01:25:06.000 Because I think when we're doing journalism, we also need to understand why do sources come forth?

01:25:11.000 Why did any of these guys come forth?

01:25:13.000 Because, again, they're disgruntled employees with an axe to grind.

01:25:16.000 You don't think they also are concerned about the way that the Department of Defense is being run?

01:25:19.000 No, not one. 0.99

01:25:20.000 I don't think they give a shit at all. 0.99

01:25:22.000 You don't care. 0.99

01:25:24.000 Guys who didn't want us to attack Iran and leaked our attack plans to the New York Times.

01:25:30.000 Yeah, you think that.

01:25:30.000 Well, what do you mean I think that?

01:25:32.000 You have no evidence.

01:25:34.000 Did the New York Times have the reporting?

01:25:37.000 You said you have a hunch.

01:25:39.000 No, I'm asking you a question.

01:25:40.000 Did the New York Times have the reporting that said that we were going to attack Iran?

01:25:44.000 About our attack plans for Iran, correct? 0.83

01:25:47.000 Yeah, but you're saying who you think the source is.

01:25:49.000 And why they didn't.

01:25:49.000 The Department of Defense, Pete Hegseth said these guys were the leakers.

01:25:53.000 Yeah, yeah, he could say that.

01:25:55.000 Okay, so according to Pete Hegseth, the leader of the Pentagon, right?

01:25:59.000 Yeah, but he also says a lot of things.

01:26:01.000 He denied the last thing.

01:26:03.000 So no, I think it's pretty obvious too, because again, these guys were fired.

01:26:07.000 And again, if you looked at the Signal chat, which you were reading to us earlier, you'd see the name of one of the people who was fired was his contact man there.

01:26:14.000 Obviously, there's an axe to grind, and it's a disgruntled employee. 0.99

01:26:17.000 And if you were a good journalist, you'd know that this actually comes up all the time.

01:26:20.000 Half of the sources for people are just people who are pissed off at others and people in their company.

01:26:25.000 All of these sources are former...

01:26:26.000 Listen, I agree with you that there are a lot of people...

01:26:29.000 No, but that's what we're missing here, that this is really about Iran and the Iran nuclear deal and the JCPOA Part 2, potentially.

01:26:37.000 And I think we're missing that.

01:26:39.000 The story here is about those two camps fighting within the Department of Defense.

01:26:44.000 The establishment media would rather run with this and say the whole department is disarrayed because they want to just slander Trump.

01:26:50.000 And here's the real issue here.

01:26:52.000 Tomorrow, potentially, when Press Secretary Caroline Levitt has a press briefing, the first...

01:26:58.000 You know, 80% of the questions are going to be on this essential non-story that, again, I don't think matters to most Americans.

01:27:04.000 I think most Americans are worried about the economy.

01:27:06.000 I think most Americans are worried about safety.

01:27:08.000 And the question is, in any investigation, is qui bono.

01:27:13.000 What's that?

01:27:14.000 Qui bono?

01:27:15.000 Yes. What is that Latin for?

01:27:18.000 For who is to gain.

01:27:19.000 Okay. So when a source comes forth with a story, the question is for who is to gain.

01:27:24.000 If there was a story about toxic sludge being put in our milk and kids were going to drink it, the person who is to gain largely is the people who are saved from drinking it.

01:27:34.000 But the source who comes forward, what is their motivation?

01:27:38.000 What do they gain by bringing this story forward?

01:27:40.000 Maybe they are actually whistleblowers. 0.99

01:27:41.000 For most people, it's because, holy crap, kids are going to die from this. 0.96

01:27:45.000 In a story like this... 0.87

01:27:47.000 With four anonymous sources about a signal chat with information that Hegseth is allowed to disclose.

01:27:53.000 Who gains?

01:27:55.000 What is gained from this?

01:27:56.000 I mean, it's unclear if he's really allowed to disclose it, though.

01:27:59.000 No, it's not.

01:27:59.000 He's the head of the DOD.

01:28:00.000 He decides what operations are going to be classified.

01:28:02.000 Also, aren't you concerned about him disclosing that kind of stuff?

01:28:05.000 To his wife?

01:28:05.000 No. And not just his wife, his brother and his lawyer?

01:28:08.000 Yeah, no.

01:28:09.000 Isn't his brother also listed as one of his advisors or legal counsel?

01:28:12.000 Which is also weird nepotism.

01:28:13.000 Should make sense for his lawyer to be there.

01:28:14.000 See, that's heavily biased.

01:28:16.000 Why is that heavily biased? 0.98

01:28:17.000 If that happened in the Biden administration, you'd be like, what the fuck is happening right now? 0.97

01:28:20.000 Two of my brothers work for my company. 0.98

01:28:22.000 Okay. Why wouldn't I hire people I know and trust?

01:28:25.000 Because you are in a private company.

01:28:26.000 This is public.

01:28:27.000 So what?

01:28:27.000 This is the government.

01:28:28.000 This is American taxpayers paying their salaries.

01:28:33.000 There are anti-nepotism laws out there.

01:28:35.000 You know that, right?

01:28:36.000 You hate this administration so much.

01:28:37.000 No, I don't.

01:28:38.000 Why do you keep saying that?

01:28:39.000 Because no matter what comes up, you don't ask basic questions.

01:28:42.000 You want to know why?

01:28:42.000 You just keep attacking the administration.

01:28:44.000 I'm not a Girl Scout, okay?

01:28:46.000 I don't like any administrations for any reasons.

01:28:49.000 I am here to get down to the bottom of it.

01:28:51.000 Not the Trump administration or the Biden administration or any administration.

01:28:54.000 I've never been a cheerleader, okay?

01:28:57.000 This is not my...

01:28:58.000 No, it's not.

01:28:59.000 It in fact is.

01:29:00.000 Christiane Amanpour at News Exchange in Morocco said that this is the idea that the people in power are always bad.

01:29:09.000 And she went on to add that can't always be the case, can it? 0.96

01:29:14.000 This mentality that Trump is always evil is insane. 0.82

01:29:18.000 Listen, I'm not saying... 0.90

01:29:19.000 He said this wrong no matter what he does.

01:29:21.000 I am not saying...

01:29:22.000 That everyone is always wrong.

01:29:24.000 But I think that you need to hold power to account.

01:29:27.000 That is our right.

01:29:28.000 As you define it.

01:29:30.000 Sure. If you think that they're not powerful people, fine.

01:29:32.000 They certainly are.

01:29:33.000 But I think the corporate media is substantially worse.

01:29:35.000 I am not a part of the corporate media.

01:29:37.000 Stop telling me.

01:29:38.000 I haven't worked in the corporate media in two or three years from now.

01:29:41.000 When in that statement did I say you as part of the corporate media are worse?

01:29:44.000 Because you keep being like, I'm a defender of the corporate media.

01:29:46.000 I'm a defender of journalism.

01:29:47.000 Okay? And sometimes good journalism is committed at corporate media.

01:29:51.000 We define this as factual but not truthful.

01:29:53.000 What do you mean?

01:29:54.000 It means that you will say things that are only technically correct to mislead the audience.

01:29:58.000 I feel like you're doing that all the time.

01:29:59.000 How? I mean, you are actually saying unfactual things, too.

01:30:02.000 What? Like when you said that there was only one anonymous person.

01:30:05.000 Is that the only thing you got?

01:30:06.000 And there were other things as well.

01:30:07.000 But I can remember that.

01:30:09.000 You're really latching on to me misstating one detail of a story that just came out today.

01:30:13.000 You want to know?

01:30:14.000 You know?

01:30:15.000 You know what the things that are unfactual that you say?

01:30:18.000 The attacks on me.

01:30:19.000 Those are unfactual.

01:30:21.000 Those are opinions.

01:30:22.000 I still think that they're unfactual opinions.

01:30:24.000 Okay, well, opinions aren't facts.

01:30:26.000 And my opinion based on the way you behave is an opinion based on the way you behave.

01:30:30.000 My opinion, based on the way you behave, is very unfair.

01:30:33.000 I think you're heavily biased, and instead of assessing the facts of a case— I think you're really biased.

01:30:36.000 Your bias, though, is towards defending the administration.

01:30:39.000 So, once again— So you're acting like you work for them.

01:30:42.000 You might as well be Caroline Levitt, and I would not want to be that.

01:30:45.000 I just think that's so lame.

01:30:46.000 You're overly emotional.

01:30:47.000 I think that it's so lame.

01:30:48.000 Lame is an ad hominem.

01:30:49.000 Okay. Instead of saying, who benefits from the leak?

01:30:54.000 Emotional versus lame.

01:30:56.000 I would rather be emotional rather than lame.

01:30:57.000 Emotional is a fact statement.

01:30:58.000 Lame is an ad hominem.

01:30:59.000 Okay, sure.

01:31:00.000 Who benefits from leaking the story about Hegseth in the second single chat?

01:31:03.000 What is the purpose of this story?

01:31:05.000 It shows the American people that they are continuing to do the mistake that they did the first time.

01:31:11.000 There's no journalist on this chat.

01:31:12.000 And also, why is his family on the chat?

01:31:16.000 Because he talks to his family.

01:31:17.000 And why does his family need to know in advance about an attack on a country?

01:31:21.000 Maybe he's saying, I'm going to work and I've got a meeting because there's going to be something happening in Yemen.

01:31:24.000 I don't understand why they would need to have the details of an attack.

01:31:27.000 You don't know what's in those chats.

01:31:29.000 You are assuming something bad happened without evidence.

01:31:32.000 I'm basing it on the reporting from the New York Times that the chief spokesperson to the Pentagon has not denied yet.

01:31:37.000 And you are assuming it's bad.

01:31:38.000 And until he denies it, I will assume it is true.

01:31:41.000 Why are you assuming it's bad?

01:31:44.000 Why are you assuming it's bad?

01:31:45.000 It sounds great.

01:31:46.000 Why are you assuming it's a bad thing?

01:31:48.000 I think it's a great thing.

01:31:49.000 No, it's not a great thing to share details of an attack with your family member.

01:31:53.000 You don't know what's in the texts.

01:31:55.000 This is why all of these outlets got obliterated on the Covington story.

01:31:59.000 When these kids were at the Lincoln Memorial, all of the corporate press rushed to do exactly what you're doing.

01:32:05.000 Instead of actually waiting until we know what's going on, we're going to assume every degree of this that it was wrong and bad.

01:32:11.000 And that's what separates me from them.

01:32:13.000 And that's what separates the new media sphere, people who are actually saying, well, what happened?

01:32:19.000 What are the facts of the case?

01:32:20.000 And the people saying, I don't care, I just know it's bad.

01:32:23.000 Okay, well, I don't know it's bad.

01:32:25.000 I don't know what happened.

01:32:27.000 Which is the same deal with the Carmelo Anthony story, which many on the right jumped on.

01:32:30.000 We have a police report with 33 witnesses and two statements.

01:32:33.000 It sounds bad, but we don't have all the details.

01:32:36.000 Why has the corporate press for 20 some odd years...

01:32:41.000 Let's just do this.

01:32:43.000 During the Trump administration years, the corporate press has assumed every single instance has been framed negatively against Trump.

01:32:50.000 We now have the Maryland man hoax.

01:32:52.000 We had, obviously, the very fine people hoax.

01:32:54.000 We had the injecting bleach hoax.

01:32:56.000 It's always the worst possible interpretation, no matter what.

01:33:01.000 Why couldn't Jeffrey Goldberg say, guys, don't put me on this chat?

01:33:04.000 And there's not a story.

01:33:05.000 It doesn't need to be brought up.

01:33:06.000 Okay, I just found something that I remembered.

01:33:10.000 So, the whole thing with Goldberg, right?

01:33:12.000 He didn't want to have to reveal the text, is what he said.

01:33:15.000 He said, if he had any regrets about how the story played out, he said that he wished the Trump administration hadn't challenged his first story, forcing him to write a second one with the compromising details.

01:33:26.000 So what?

01:33:29.000 Why did they have to deny it if it was real?

01:33:31.000 Deny what?

01:33:31.000 That it was war plans?

01:33:33.000 Deny all of it.

01:33:34.000 They denied that there were war plans.

01:33:36.000 No, they denied that day three after the plans came out.

01:33:39.000 You never played for us the audio of him actually saying it never happened.

01:33:43.000 By the way, qui bono means who benefits.

01:33:46.000 Right, to whom benefits.

01:33:48.000 It's Latin if you want to phrase it one way or the other.

01:33:50.000 They denied it all.

01:33:53.000 They called him a slime ball.

01:33:54.000 They denied it.

01:33:55.000 So then because of that, because he denied it, because they all denied it, he the next day just published the text.

01:34:01.000 What was his direct verbatim statement about what was included in the text?

01:34:05.000 That was semantics.

01:34:07.000 Like, everyone who is watching this is smart enough to know.

01:34:09.000 I asked you a fact question.

01:34:10.000 Plans versus attacks.

01:34:11.000 That's not what I asked.

01:34:12.000 Plans versus attacks.

01:34:13.000 I asked you what he said was included in it.

01:34:14.000 The specific details.

01:34:17.000 I'm sorry.

01:34:17.000 What are you asking about the first story or the second story?

01:34:20.000 The first story, Jeffrey Goldberg says, it includes this specific information.

01:34:25.000 Yeah. He didn't give the information, though.

01:34:26.000 He just generalized it.

01:34:28.000 He generalized it.

01:34:29.000 Was he wrong?

01:34:30.000 No, he wasn't.

01:34:32.000 No. He said it included locations.

01:34:34.000 It did.

01:34:35.000 It did not.

01:34:35.000 Yes, it did.

01:34:36.000 It said the apartment of the guy and his girlfriend.

01:34:39.000 Which one?

01:34:40.000 Do you want me to go over and read this over again?

01:34:42.000 Because I feel like your listeners are going to be bored.

01:34:44.000 Does the word apartment identify which apartment and where?

01:34:48.000 Dude, I'm going to play it.

01:34:49.000 I'm going to read it again if you're going to make me do this.

01:34:52.000 Because you can't understand that house.

01:34:54.000 I'm going to go to a house.

01:34:56.000 Does that tell you where and when I'll be somewhere?

01:34:58.000 What city I'll be in?

01:34:59.000 What state I'll be in?

01:35:00.000 What country?

01:35:01.000 Okay. So to say that we have the locations of strikes and then you don't have them?

01:35:06.000 Strike drones on target.

01:35:07.000 This is when the first bombs will definitely drop.

01:35:10.000 Pending earlier triggered base targets.

01:35:13.000 Second strike starts.

01:35:14.000 Also first sea-based tomahawks launched.

01:35:18.000 More to follow per timeline.

01:35:20.000 Okay. Where?

01:35:21.000 Let's keep going.

01:35:22.000 I know.

01:35:22.000 I asked you where.

01:35:23.000 Why are you reading random things?

01:35:24.000 BP, building collapsed.

01:35:25.000 Why are you reading random things?

01:35:27.000 I'm not reading random things.

01:35:28.000 I'm asking you for a location.

01:35:29.000 I'm reading through it.

01:35:30.000 Do you think I have this on the back of my head?

01:35:32.000 I don't just spew things out of my head.

01:35:33.000 I actually like to have facts.

01:35:35.000 Okay? Apparently you don't because you had to pull it up and you didn't know what he said.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, because I actually want to make sure that what I say...

01:35:41.000 It's accurate.

01:35:42.000 I don't just say it.

01:35:43.000 Just to sound excited and enthruse and just say it.

01:35:47.000 I mean, I suppose you could actually read the story before making an assertion.

01:35:50.000 I am reading the text.

01:35:52.000 Afterwards, you've already made the claims for an hour and a half.

01:35:54.000 I have read it.

01:35:55.000 I just don't remember the actual quotes. 1.00

01:35:58.000 Now you just seem like a jerk, just so you know this. 0.99

01:36:00.000 You are actually just bullying me. 1.00

01:36:02.000 I am reading this.

01:36:03.000 I don't know the story, so you're being a bully.

01:36:06.000 I'm not saying I don't read the story.

01:36:07.000 Come on, I've got to look it up.

01:36:08.000 Okay, so I'm reading it.

01:36:11.000 Slash is on point.

01:36:12.000 Great job all.

01:36:13.000 More strikes going on for hours tonight.

01:36:16.000 There's no location.

01:36:17.000 He was wrong.

01:36:18.000 That's the point.

01:36:20.000 You didn't even remember what was said, but you were asserting a fact without checking.

01:36:23.000 Hold on a second.

01:36:24.000 Location is not included.

01:36:27.000 Location and weapons were not included in the story.

01:36:29.000 I know this because I've read it and we've covered it like 17 times.

01:36:32.000 Why are you covering it so much if you don't think anyone matters?

01:36:35.000 Because it was the top trending news story and the argument we made was that it was a non-issue being brought up for political reasons.

01:36:41.000 Because the appropriate response from Goldberg is, guys, just take me off the chat.

01:36:44.000 Not sit on it for several days, accuse them of wrongdoing, refuse to publish, only if they're getting called out.

01:36:50.000 Turns out you didn't actually have the information you claimed you did.

01:36:52.000 I'm going to find it because it does say the apartment building.

01:36:57.000 How would we know about this apartment building in Yemen if it wasn't for this?

01:37:01.000 Which apartment building?

01:37:01.000 Where? In Yemen.

01:37:03.000 I know, but what's the target?

01:37:05.000 Hold on.

01:37:09.000 on.

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01:38:44.000 I'm not going to be here.

01:38:46.000 Phil's going to be running the Uncensored show with all your call-ins because Alad and I have to leave at the wee hours of the morning to go to the White House, which I'm not sure Alad was supposed to say, but he said anyway, so now everyone knows.

01:38:56.000 It's a really exciting day tomorrow.

01:38:57.000 Hopefully we're still invited.

01:38:59.000 No, no, no.

01:39:00.000 They sent out another email saying that TimCast is going to be in rotation at the White House press pool, which is a great privilege, and we're excited to be there.

01:39:09.000 Indeed, it will be fun.

01:39:11.000 But we will go to your superchats unless you wanted to make a point before we do.

01:39:14.000 Yeah, one last thing.

01:39:15.000 There was enough information in that text that the Israelis complained that their sources were compromised and they were upset about their sources via the apartment leak.

01:39:23.000 Interesting. Yeah, it was enough information to upset our allies.

01:39:27.000 Israel. Now I'm mad about it. 1.00

01:39:29.000 Just kidding.

01:39:30.000 We like to have a good time.

01:39:31.000 We like to have a good time.

01:39:32.000 Good luck tomorrow in the White House.

01:39:34.000 That'll be fun.

01:39:34.000 Thanks. Oh, interesting.

01:39:36.000 We got so many super chats.

01:39:37.000 Guys, I hate to say this to you, but when we get too many, YouTube deletes some, which is really annoying because it shouldn't do that.

01:39:45.000 But we do have your rumble rants, and the chat is on fire tonight.

01:39:51.000 P. Kororod?

01:39:52.000 Is that how you say that?

01:39:53.000 With current events, I'm reminded of the book and movie Angels and Demons.

01:39:56.000 I quite enjoyed them, but what do you guys think of the story?

01:39:58.000 I don't know that one.

01:39:59.000 Angels and Demons, the war book?

01:40:02.000 No, no, it's the prequel to Da Vinci Code, I think.

01:40:05.000 Oh, that one, yeah.

01:40:06.000 Is that the one that has CERN in that one?

01:40:09.000 I prefer National Treasure with Nicolas Cage.

01:40:12.000 Nicolas Cage is one of our greatest actors.

01:40:16.000 The Dan Diamond book?

01:40:18.000 Diamond? Who wrote it?

01:40:19.000 Not Dan Diamond.

01:40:20.000 Who wrote the Angels and Demons?

01:40:22.000 Hold on a second.

01:40:23.000 I feel like I read it at some point.

01:40:24.000 Angels in the Outfield?

01:40:25.000 I have to warn you, the chat is...

01:40:28.000 Spicy. Spicy.

01:40:30.000 St. Miles says, thanks, Tim, for bringing a Krasenstein clone on the show. 0.99

01:40:34.000 Dan Brown wrote it.

01:40:35.000 Dan Brown.

01:40:36.000 Well, thank you.

01:40:37.000 I can't imagine that your fans would be fans of me, but you know what?

01:40:42.000 I like to go into the fire.

01:40:43.000 I'm not afraid.

01:40:44.000 It's respected.

01:40:45.000 It is respected.

01:40:45.000 I'm not afraid of the storm.

01:40:47.000 We appreciate you coming.

01:40:48.000 We do.

01:40:48.000 It was fun.

01:40:49.000 In fact, I actually would like to engage more with people like you because I think it's important to have that kind of dialogue.

01:40:55.000 It's not like I came here thinking that you were going to be like a softball.

01:40:59.000 I actually think most people were enjoying it.

01:41:01.000 I hope you come back.

01:41:02.000 I will, actually.

01:41:03.000 Hopefully. Let's do it.

01:41:06.000 However, I'm going to try to find chats from people that are good, but these are the first few, okay?

01:41:13.000 So I'm just warning you.

01:41:14.000 Sousaw says, look, another reason women should never be in positions of power. 1.00

01:41:17.000 All emotion, no actual argument, and plays the I'm not able to speak on this BS.

01:41:22.000 Or I don't... 1.00

01:41:23.000 I just shoot out bullshit out of my mouth. 1.00

01:41:25.000 I like to be backed up. 1.00

01:41:27.000 Or maybe women want to be substantial and have substantial arguments. 1.00

01:41:32.000 I don't just say things with confidence and then everyone's like, yeah, she's right!

01:41:36.000 It's just that that's not how we work.

01:41:38.000 We're actually trying to be, you know, have some evidence.

01:41:42.000 Three Star Perfect Deer says, we finally get a guest, woman, who can talk against Tim's bulldozing off subjects. 0.99

01:41:47.000 Dumb, I bought a cheeseburger story and y'all hate her. 1.00

01:41:50.000 She's awesome and y'all are dudes with insecurities. 0.99

01:41:52.000 Thanks, guys.

01:41:54.000 There you go.

01:41:54.000 You can find me at Tara Palmieri and I do interview people on both sides of the aisle.

01:41:59.000 And actually, last week I interviewed Rahm Emanuel and I gave it to him.

01:42:02.000 I asked him, you're going to appreciate this.

01:42:04.000 When did you know about Biden's conditions and who did you tell?

01:42:09.000 And he was very flustered.

01:42:11.000 It made news.

01:42:12.000 It was everywhere, probably on some of the websites you read, because he had a hard time.

01:42:17.000 I was like, you were in a very top position in a strategic place in the world, so why didn't you?

01:42:23.000 Yeah, and then he said to me, I was like, are you going to run in 2028?

01:42:25.000 Because that's obviously why he's on podcasts.

01:42:27.000 And he was obviously very squirmy about that, and I was just like, stop being a politician.

01:42:30.000 How long ago was that?

01:42:31.000 It was last week.

01:42:32.000 Oh, really?

01:42:33.000 Because I was under the impression that he was going to get a job in the financial world?

01:42:37.000 He already has a job there, but he's running in 2028.

01:42:40.000 Really? Yeah, he's got a sub stack.

01:42:41.000 This is like a thing right now.

01:42:42.000 So all these Democrats are now out there doing podcasts.

01:42:46.000 They're trying to catch up.

01:42:47.000 Newsom's got a podcast.

01:42:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:42:49.000 All these demons trying to infiltrate.

01:42:50.000 It was my sense that because he had kind of decided to go into the financial world, that was kind of being like, okay, the Democrat party's not really for me this round.

01:43:00.000 I feel like that's a bad vibe.

01:43:03.000 If you're in the financial world, especially now, Democrats...

01:43:06.000 I mean...

01:43:07.000 Okay, he not only is working in the financial world, he's got...

01:43:11.000 He works for the Washington Post and CNN.

01:43:13.000 I mean, it's just such a weird...

01:43:14.000 I think they're trying to...

01:43:16.000 They're like 15 years behind the Republicans right now when it comes to media and they're catching up and it's really awkward and kind of like...

01:43:24.000 Listen, I'm happy to have guests on my show, but I do look at it and I'm just like...

01:43:31.000 I think every single person who worked for Biden needs to answer in their first question, what did you know, when did you know it, and why didn't you say anything?

01:43:40.000 The crazy thing to me about liberal podcasters...

01:43:43.000 And that's accountability.

01:43:44.000 The crazy thing about liberal personalities and podcasters to me is that they have arguments they can make that they never do.

01:43:50.000 The arguments they present are usually half-brained and easily dismantled.

01:43:55.000 And I'm just like...

01:43:56.000 Who's, like, one of the liberal podcasters that you pay attention to and watch?

01:44:00.000 Pac-Man.

01:44:00.000 Oh, would you call him a podcaster, though?

01:44:02.000 He's more of a...

01:44:03.000 Bill Maher?

01:44:04.000 Bill Maher, I wouldn't call him...

01:44:05.000 He's a podcaster now.

01:44:06.000 But Bill Maher's issue is not so much that he's got bad...

01:44:11.000 Like, his arguments are easily debunked.

01:44:12.000 It's that he's missing a lot of the facts.

01:44:13.000 He's trying, though.

01:44:14.000 So, I do think for him...

01:44:16.000 He's also a comedian.

01:44:18.000 Well, he hosts one of the premier political talk shows in the country for the past year.

01:44:21.000 Comedians not talk about war?

01:44:23.000 What was that?

01:44:24.000 I was just gonna say...

01:44:24.000 No, like, Bill Maher...

01:44:26.000 Bill Maher is not...

01:44:27.000 I don't think it's fair to call him a comedian.

01:44:29.000 And what I mean by that is he is a political commentator and comedian.

01:44:33.000 And I believe comedian is the subset because his principal shtick for his whole life, as long as I've known him, I should say, since I was a kid with Politically Incorrect, has always been talking about politics and then being kind of funny about it.

01:44:45.000 He's a comedian like Colbert is a comedian.

01:44:47.000 Like they're late night guys.

01:44:48.000 No, no, no.

01:44:49.000 Like Colbert is literally just a comedian.

01:44:52.000 Colbert's a propagandist, but...

01:44:53.000 Sure, sure.

01:44:54.000 My point is...

01:44:55.000 Colbert, John Oliver, they're writing jokes and trying to jam politics into it.

01:44:59.000 Bill Maher is talking politics and then trying to sometimes make a joke.

01:45:02.000 So I view Bill Maher first as a pundit political commentary guy.

01:45:06.000 He has monologues, though, on his show.

01:45:08.000 They try to be funny.

01:45:10.000 And he does stand-up, but it's like you never think of his stand-up.

01:45:12.000 He actually trained in comedy, though, for most of his life.

01:45:14.000 I know.

01:45:15.000 Yeah. But my point is, what is your principal role?

01:45:20.000 And for Colbert, it's a talk show.

01:45:23.000 It's entertainment, it's whatever.

01:45:24.000 So he's a comedian, and they do some politics.

01:45:26.000 John Oliver, it's make jokes, but make it political.

01:45:29.000 Bill Maher is talk politics on Friday night with a variety of high-profile political guests, and then do a monologue or something before or after the fact.

01:45:38.000 So the show is largely political.

01:45:39.000 All right, let's grab...

01:45:41.000 Kay Shiloh Williams says, quote, I respect those reporters.

01:45:44.000 First mistake, journalists are worthy of nothing but contempt.

01:45:48.000 A den of snakes to the last. 0.98

01:45:50.000 They are a den of snakes.

01:45:52.000 I will agree that some of the worst infighting is in a newsroom. 1.00

01:45:56.000 Like, it is so hard to work together and just getting through the bureaucracy and the bullshit and the competitiveness. 0.85

01:46:02.000 Like, that is why I am so pro-independent media because, like, just dealing with everybody's... 0.56

01:46:08.000 Even different agendas.

01:46:09.000 It happens everywhere, though.

01:46:10.000 It's human nature.

01:46:11.000 It's human nature.

01:46:12.000 So the sooner you can get away from that, I think that's when you can do the best journalism.

01:46:16.000 The problem is some people need to have some experience, though, just learning how to be investigative and investigators and make choices like the kind that Tim brought up.

01:46:24.000 When do you go to print?

01:46:27.000 I wouldn't go on one source, you know what I mean?

01:46:29.000 But someone who maybe doesn't know it, they do, and then there goes their whole career.

01:46:33.000 Nobody's ever going to listen to anything.

01:46:34.000 They're like the boy who cried.

01:46:35.000 Well, so the issue with the corporate press today is that intelligence actors have been doing this for a long time, but largely in the past 20 years.

01:46:43.000 There is a particular individual who I will leave unnamed to avoid litigation.

01:46:47.000 But what the intelligence agencies did was they contacted her when she was very young, in an entry-level position at a publication, and said, I work for this organization.

01:46:57.000 I've got a story for you.

01:46:58.000 She was making a low salary.

01:47:00.000 She then goes to her boss and says, I was contacted by this person.

01:47:04.000 I have a source now in Insert Intelligence Agency.

01:47:06.000 And they say, wow, can you vet this person?

01:47:09.000 Indeed, vetted.

01:47:10.000 We have an official source in intelligence in the United States telling us Trump did bad thing.

01:47:15.000 Yep. Run it.

01:47:16.000 Oh, I know.

01:47:17.000 Yeah. Story gets a million views.

01:47:19.000 Source high fives his buddies saying, operation success. 0.99

01:47:22.000 We fed bullshit to the media and she ran it. 1.00

01:47:24.000 Let's keep doing it. 0.99

01:47:25.000 The editor of the news organization knows a single source with a partisan bent is a bad source, but they're saying, I don't care.

01:47:32.000 We're a blog, and we're getting a million views an article, and we're making 20 grand every time she does this.

01:47:37.000 She gets promoted, she transfers, promotion, promotion, promotion, premiere on all the talk shows, late night hosts, all of that stuff.

01:47:43.000 And it was propped up by intelligence officers trying to push a narrative that was anti-Trump.

01:47:49.000 I've got another story that I can't show on YouTube.

01:47:51.000 So we will show in the uncensored portion.

01:47:53.000 I'll have Phil take it.

01:47:55.000 He'll understand when he sees the link that I pulled up.

01:47:58.000 Actually, I'll just describe it.

01:48:00.000 And then he can show the photo.

01:48:01.000 It's a photo of a dead girl.

01:48:03.000 And an award-winning, I believe it was an award-winning photo.

01:48:06.000 Except the real photo, in my opinion, that everybody recognizes as the real photo, is one of the photographers walked away from the gaggle and took a picture of all of the journalists huddling around a dead girl to get a photo.

01:48:18.000 And I believe the real photo that may have won the award was a spattering of journalists all getting the perfect angle of a corpse.

01:48:24.000 And that's what journalists are, vultures.

01:48:27.000 And that's why they call themselves vultures, because they know...

01:48:29.000 I don't know about that.

01:48:31.000 They do call themselves vultures.

01:48:32.000 I've never heard journalists revolt.

01:48:36.000 Indeed. What's the context of this?

01:48:40.000 What's the context of it?

01:48:42.000 How did the girl die?

01:48:44.000 Is it a war zone?

01:48:46.000 A 15-year-old died from a stray bullet in Haiti.

01:48:48.000 Okay, it's a war zone.

01:48:50.000 Well, it's Haiti.

01:48:51.000 I mean, it's a conflict zone.

01:48:53.000 It's a conflict zone.

01:48:54.000 I would call it a war zone in Haiti. 0.98

01:48:56.000 Well, there is a difference.

01:48:58.000 The distinction matters, right?

01:49:00.000 Because I've been in conflict, I've been in active conflict, but I've never been in war.

01:49:03.000 Okay, fine.

01:49:05.000 Maybe you don't want to use the word war.

01:49:07.000 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven journalists are all crowding around with photographs of her dead body.

01:49:10.000 But here's the question, though.

01:49:13.000 Does the picture of that woman, who is already dead, it's not like they were crowding around a girl who was gasping for her last breath, okay?

01:49:20.000 And again, this is actually a really interesting question.

01:49:24.000 What do you do as a journalist when you're around people who are suffering?

01:49:28.000 This is so crazy.

01:49:30.000 I'm not even making this up, but I put the video on my phone.

01:49:32.000 But last week I was walking down the street and I saw one man being attacked by seven people.

01:49:38.000 And he was just a security guard outside of a Lululemon.

01:49:42.000 And these guys were just like pummeling him, punching him.

01:49:46.000 Six guys.

01:49:46.000 And so I was like going up to him like, stop it, stop it.

01:49:49.000 And I'm like...

01:49:50.000 What do I do, right?

01:49:51.000 And then this girl comes out of nowhere and, like, punches me in the face, okay?

01:49:54.000 Wow. This is happening on 14th Street in New York City.

01:49:56.000 Yeah, you are.

01:49:56.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:49:57.000 And then I called 911, and then I stepped away, and I started recording it, because obviously, like, they saw me, and they punched me, although it wasn't a hard punch.

01:50:05.000 It was like, she couldn't hit, you know, you would appreciate this.

01:50:08.000 Women aren't the best at throwing punches, right? 1.00

01:50:10.000 So I was lucky in that case.

01:50:11.000 But I was recording it, and I got the, you know, I got the, luckily the police came.

01:50:17.000 They arrested two of the kids.

01:50:18.000 I gave them the, I have a question for you.

01:50:36.000 Let's say you're in an active conflict zone and a woman carrying a bag of groceries gets shot in the leg and falls down and she's bleeding.

01:50:43.000 Do you film that?

01:50:45.000 I don't know.

01:50:46.000 I honestly have not been in that situation before.

01:50:49.000 And it's really hard.

01:50:52.000 That was the closest I had really gotten to, and that was just last week.

01:50:55.000 And my instinct was to jump in and try to save them.

01:50:58.000 The reason I ask is, journalists are conflicted on this point.

01:51:00.000 Yeah, it's a hard one.

01:51:02.000 I've been in numerous circumstances, maybe you have a lot, where, say, a cop clubbed some activist over the head and left them bleeding.

01:51:09.000 And they've got medics tending to their wounds, and they scream, stop filming me.

01:51:13.000 And the journalists on scene, so this actually happened in Chicago during NATO protests 10 years ago.

01:51:19.000 There was a group of protesters.

01:51:21.000 The cops were pushing the group out.

01:51:24.000 Don't know how it started.

01:51:26.000 I'll blame the protesters when they actually start the violence, but I don't know who did at this point.

01:51:29.000 One of the guys got hit in the head by a cop with a billy club.

01:51:32.000 They were bleeding, brought to the side, and then journalists started crowding around filming.

01:51:37.000 And the person started screaming, get away from me, stop filming me.

01:51:40.000 The medic said, stop filming him.

01:51:42.000 And the journalist said, we have to film this.

01:51:44.000 We have to show the world what they're doing.

01:51:46.000 So then the activists physically attacked the group of protesters, formed a line and then screamed, charged the journalists and started attacking the journalists.

01:51:54.000 No, I mean, listen, it's not, I don't, it's a hard situation to be in.

01:51:58.000 I don't know.

01:51:59.000 It's a really, but I think you can't like paint that entire profession.

01:52:06.000 Listen, journalists have a very low approval rating.

01:52:09.000 They already have about, what is it, like 23%?

01:52:11.000 They're basically at Congress level.

01:52:12.000 A couple of things on this.

01:52:13.000 As somebody who's been field reporting for over five years, and my experience with other journalists in the field makes me totally self-loathing.

01:52:22.000 A lot of these reporters and camera people are absolutely some of the worst people you could imagine.

01:52:27.000 Tim's spot on when he was describing them as vultures.

01:52:29.000 I do come across some moral quandaries, though, in my reporting.

01:52:33.000 So, for example, For example, protesters do get mad at me when I film them doing illegal stuff.

01:52:38.000 And do they have the right to be?

01:52:40.000 Probably not.

01:52:40.000 Is it understandable, though?

01:52:42.000 Guys, here you go.

01:52:43.000 You want to just read that for me?

01:52:45.000 It's too small.

01:52:46.000 A secret Facebook...

01:52:46.000 Oh, no, start from the beginning.

01:52:47.000 The Vulture Club refers to a secret Facebook group for freelance journalists to share information and resources related to news production, particularly concerning fixers, safety, and other aspects of international news gathering.

01:53:00.000 It is a platform where journalists can ask for advice and connect with other freelancers who have experience in specific regions or situations.

01:53:08.000 Is it tongue-in-cheek, or is this really, like...

01:53:10.000 With a grain of truth, I mean...

01:53:12.000 So, for eight or so years, I covered conflict and crisis explicitly.

01:53:17.000 These people are vultures.

01:53:18.000 Yeah, you would know.

01:53:20.000 You were there.

01:53:20.000 I'm not taking that away from you.

01:53:21.000 These are people who are like, guys, guys, we got a dead body.

01:53:23.000 Let's roll.

01:53:24.000 Yeah. And I'm like, look.

01:53:25.000 I mean, you were also working at Vice, too, which wanted provocative content.

01:53:29.000 Oh, bro.

01:53:30.000 Vice? You know what Vice would do?

01:53:31.000 What would they do?

01:53:32.000 So during Ferguson, I was doing the actual news coverage of the Ferguson riots.

01:53:36.000 Yeah. And we were told that the documentary crew was coming out with, you know, I'll just leave them unnamed because it's bad enough I'm telling the story.

01:53:44.000 And so I'm like, awesome.

01:53:46.000 These guys are great.

01:53:47.000 I love the documentaries.

01:53:48.000 Let's meet up with them.

01:53:50.000 They showed up.

01:53:51.000 The host walked up on West Florissant, turned around, looked at the camera, lit a cigarette.

01:53:55.000 The riots are getting pretty intense, but we're going to stick with it.

01:53:58.000 And, you know, we'll see how these things play out.

01:54:01.000 Put a cigarette out.

01:54:02.000 All right.

01:54:03.000 We'll see you guys.

01:54:03.000 We got a flight.

01:54:05.000 That was it.

01:54:05.000 The rest was B-roll.

01:54:07.000 Something like that.

01:54:09.000 Here's the question.

01:54:09.000 I love it.

01:54:11.000 Here's the question, Tim.

01:54:12.000 Do you think there should be no journalists?

01:54:13.000 There should be journalists.

01:54:14.000 Okay. But there should be real journalism.

01:54:16.000 Okay. And what's real journalism to you?

01:54:18.000 Truth, facts, data.

01:54:19.000 Okay. And that's what we're all trying to do, right?

01:54:22.000 No. Not even close.

01:54:24.000 I think 90% of journalists...

01:54:26.000 I mean, you should know...

01:54:27.000 Even in the spaces that I occupy, it seems like everybody has an axe to grind.

01:54:31.000 Everybody's politically motivated.

01:54:33.000 Nobody just seeks...

01:54:34.000 You know what actually bothers me more than having an axe to grind, to be honest?

01:54:38.000 Is not actually pushing hard enough.

01:54:41.000 Like people who are going for agenda journalism, that to me is the, not agenda, access journalism to me is the worst type of journalism.

01:54:47.000 I agree.

01:54:47.000 That is when you are trying to get interviews and you are willing to look past things and you're just trying to cozy up to people.

01:54:54.000 That's literally the whole media and the entire Biden administration.

01:54:58.000 We all agree.

01:54:59.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:55:01.000 Why do these journalists, why are they attacking?

01:55:04.000 Us. So mercilessly for simply being at the White House.

01:55:07.000 I don't think you should be attacked.

01:55:08.000 In fact, I've said this.

01:55:09.000 I said it on TMZ.

01:55:10.000 No, I'm not saying you do.

01:55:10.000 I'm asking why they're doing it.

01:55:12.000 I think...

01:55:13.000 That's not journalism, right?

01:55:14.000 No, here's the thing.

01:55:16.000 The New York Times did it.

01:55:17.000 I think that...

01:55:18.000 I think this is the...

01:55:19.000 Here's the facts.

01:55:20.000 The media has changed so much and that the room does not reflect that change.

01:55:26.000 The room does not reflect the fact that you have a million or so, maybe more, you know, people watching you on YouTube.

01:55:31.000 You have huge reach.

01:55:32.000 That is probably bigger than a lot of the people in that room, especially the state of the media that it is right now.

01:55:38.000 So it needs a revamp.

01:55:39.000 Absolutely. There's no doubt about that.

01:55:43.000 There's not a lot of space.

01:55:44.000 They need to blow up that whole newsroom completely and create a bigger newsroom.

01:55:50.000 But it's not about you guys.

01:55:51.000 It's not about you.

01:55:52.000 And it's not about you being in there.

01:55:53.000 It's about the idea, I think, that the administration gets to pick the pool.

01:55:57.000 And when you hand over the keys to the administration, that's a problem.

01:56:02.000 So the issue we have is, let's start with the very fine people hoax.

01:56:05.000 Are you familiar with that?

01:56:07.000 What do you mean?

01:56:08.000 Every major news outlet reported that Trump called neo-Nazis very fine people, which he did not.

01:56:12.000 He said there were good people on both sides.

01:56:14.000 He said, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis or the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.

01:56:18.000 Is that the full quote?

01:56:20.000 Yes. Oh my goodness.

01:56:21.000 You didn't know that.

01:56:21.000 I mean, I have to look back on it.

01:56:23.000 Wait, now can you pull up the video of it?

01:56:25.000 Just so, you know, because we were wrong about the HXF stuff.

01:56:32.000 Oh man.

01:56:34.000 But, um, kind of what I was getting back to.

01:56:36.000 This is the only video we're pulling up.

01:56:37.000 No, journalists, I mean, you tried to pull up many earlier.

01:56:39.000 But I guess the point, uh, the point again is, as you were trying to describe it.

01:56:42.000 Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry.

01:56:43.000 I just got snopes for you.

01:56:44.000 There you go.

01:56:45.000 Tara, just take a look.

01:56:46.000 No, Trump did not call neonates and white supremacists very fine people.

01:56:49.000 I mean, this was, this is how Biden launched his campaign.

01:56:52.000 And so my point is, these people in the White House, in this press pool, are not journalists.

01:56:58.000 Right now they're pushing the Maryland man hoax, where they say Abrego Garcia is a Maryland father.

01:57:04.000 Well, he's not.

01:57:04.000 He's an El Salvador citizen.

01:57:05.000 He's not a Maryland man.

01:57:06.000 But they're doing this as a framing narrative.

01:57:08.000 We call it factual but not truthful.

01:57:12.000 All right, I've got to ask you the rudest question.

01:57:14.000 Go for it.

01:57:16.000 Let me really buckle up.

01:57:19.000 Jonathan Foreman says, Tim, ask her, how would she have felt if she didn't have breakfast yesterday?

01:57:27.000 Let me think about that.

01:57:28.000 I had breakfast yesterday.

01:57:30.000 Probably not great today.

01:57:32.000 What is that supposed to mean?

01:57:33.000 Is that some sort of like a pun or something or something dirty that I don't understand?

01:57:37.000 Nope. Just as factual?

01:57:39.000 I give you a C+.

01:57:41.000 I think you answered it correctly.

01:57:42.000 What do you mean?

01:57:43.000 You said, I probably wouldn't feel that good.

01:57:46.000 The question is to...

01:57:48.000 It's part of a meme related to an individual who claimed to be a prison psychotherapist, psychologist, who said that people with IQs under 80...

01:57:57.000 Can't understand conditional hypotheticals.

01:58:00.000 And so they would go to prisons and ask a prisoner, an inmate, if you did not have breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt?

01:58:06.000 And they say things like, but I did have breakfast.

01:58:09.000 And they would say, yes, but if you did not, how would you have felt?

01:58:12.000 They go, what do you mean?

01:58:12.000 I had breakfast.

01:58:14.000 Failing to understand the conditional hypothetical signifies a lower perspicacity, as it were.

01:58:19.000 Oh, well, thank you. 1.00

01:58:20.000 I appreciate that, as I'm sure they're also like, she's a fucking idiot! 1.00

01:58:23.000 She passed, boys! 1.00

01:58:24.000 She said, I probably wouldn't have felt great.

01:58:28.000 But also, yeah.

01:58:30.000 I'm sure there are just as many people saying nice things about you.

01:58:33.000 Oh, I'm sure they love you.

01:58:34.000 Well, yeah, I try to rate them when they're saying, you know, Tim Sox.

01:58:36.000 You guys are, you're not getting a fair representation in me, but that's okay.

01:58:41.000 That's okay.

01:58:42.000 I came into the lion's den, but I'm a lioness, okay?

01:58:50.000 What is going on?

01:58:51.000 Keep going.

01:58:52.000 I want more questions.

01:58:54.000 Go for it.

01:58:55.000 All right.

01:58:56.000 L33B says, have you heard of Palmer Luckey?

01:58:57.000 He created the Oculus Rift and got fired by Facebook for supporting Trump in 2016.

01:59:01.000 He would be a great guest.

01:59:03.000 Indeed he would.

01:59:03.000 I've actually talked to him before.

01:59:05.000 He is Matt Gaetz's brother-in-law, too, right?

01:59:08.000 Really? Yep.

01:59:09.000 He's Matt Gaetz's brother-in-law.

01:59:10.000 Wait, what?

01:59:11.000 You can see it in his Wikipedia page.

01:59:13.000 I'm not making it up.

01:59:14.000 Palmer Luckey is...

01:59:18.000 There's a story that said that Palmer Luckey, Elon Musk, and the guys from Palantir are going to be the ones that are doing the Golden Dome.

01:59:29.000 Yeah, but Elon denied that.

01:59:30.000 Can I ask you a question?

01:59:31.000 Andrew, I think, is the name of his company.

01:59:33.000 When was the last time that you criticized Elon Musk?

01:59:38.000 Probably recently.

01:59:39.000 I don't know.

01:59:39.000 What did you say?

01:59:40.000 There are people that hate Elon Musk.

01:59:42.000 What do you think about him?

01:59:43.000 Yeah, I think we've talked about how AI is going to destroy the world and he only bought X so he can get access to the fire hose so that he can create an AI system which is going to destroy the earth. 0.90

01:59:50.000 He's a degenerate, anti-human, transhumanist. 0.76

01:59:52.000 He's got 14 kids and he probably should be a dad to one of them. 0.97

01:59:55.000 He's way too open to...

01:59:56.000 Oh wait, I thought you were the one who was saying that we should repopulate the earth, right?

02:00:00.000 I do not believe that I am wearing a ring, and I believe in death before dishonor.

02:00:06.000 Elon Musk...

02:00:07.000 Wow, that's righteous.

02:00:08.000 I have tremendous respect for his...

02:00:09.000 I'm a big fan of him scientifically, but morally, he is far from virtue, and that's me being very nice.

02:00:17.000 That's very nice.

02:00:18.000 His business dealings in China have him compromised, I believe.

02:00:20.000 We've criticized...

02:00:22.000 Yeah, he censored people when he claims he—how about this?

02:00:25.000 I polled my ad campaign promise of $250,000 from X because he reinstated the misgendering policy.

02:00:30.000 I said that much.

02:00:31.000 And with all due respect to Elon, as much as we've routinely brought these things up, he follows me on X. Like, he doesn't seem to be a baby about being criticized.

02:00:41.000 Because he wants to feed your ideas and to grok.

02:00:43.000 I mean, he doesn't need to follow me to do that.

02:00:45.000 Well, he wants it, though.

02:00:46.000 Yes, true.

02:00:47.000 But, you know, he— That's true.

02:00:48.000 I can respect that.

02:00:50.000 We have criticized him over his misgendering policy, his censorship in Brazil.

02:00:55.000 We've criticized him over being a dad to probably, they say 14, but it may be more.

02:00:59.000 Yeah, it's conservative.

02:01:00.000 But I also deeply respect his mission to Mars.

02:01:03.000 I think Tesla is a great company.

02:01:05.000 And I can respect that as long as you're actually reporting accurately, even if you're critical, he seems to be fine with it.

02:01:12.000 And the left hates him for all the wrong reasons.

02:01:14.000 Indeed. Why is that?

02:01:16.000 Because they think he's a Nazi who's going to take over.

02:01:19.000 I think he's going to take over, but he's not a Nazi.

02:01:21.000 I think he's trying to install an AI government.

02:01:24.000 I even stated when he threw his heart out, how does one accidentally do that?

02:01:28.000 They hate him only because he's associated with Trump.

02:01:31.000 It's literally the only reason.

02:01:33.000 If it wasn't for the fact that he's... 1.00

02:01:35.000 I mean, he says some crazy shit, too. 0.99

02:01:36.000 They would give him the pass if it wasn't for him being involved in politics. 1.00

02:01:40.000 They did, though.

02:01:41.000 They made Tesla the biggest electric car manufacturer in the world.

02:01:43.000 Listen, I don't disagree.

02:01:44.000 If he gave $250 million to the Democrats, we wouldn't be talking about it.

02:01:47.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:01:48.000 He could do whatever he wants.

02:01:49.000 He should be because he's creating the apparatus for AI to funnel into the military.

02:01:54.000 Ask me when the last time I criticized Trump was.

02:01:56.000 When he bombed Yemen recently.

02:01:58.000 And I have an interview with him where I asked him about Yemen and how Obama killed an American citizen.

02:02:04.000 And Trump said, you don't have to do that.

02:02:06.000 We can negotiate this.

02:02:07.000 And I said, we don't want war with Yemen.

02:02:09.000 No one's declared it.

02:02:10.000 And he agreed.

02:02:10.000 And then he does it.

02:02:11.000 And we're not happy about that.

02:02:12.000 But the issue is with Trump, the Trump administration and the people in his sphere, Charlie Kirk, for instance, they don't get mad if you criticize them.

02:02:21.000 They get mad if you lie about them.

02:02:23.000 If I say Charlie Kirk is wrong on TikTok and his flip-flop, I don't—why did he flip up on TikTok? 0.95

02:02:28.000 Charlie doesn't say, screw you, Tim, you're never welcome.

02:02:30.000 He invited us on stage at TPUSA. 0.87

02:02:33.000 And he's invited—there are a lot of people at TPUSA who are critical of Charlie or critical of people on the right.

02:02:40.000 This is the thing about the anti-establishment, now that I guess technically the establishment, although technically the institutions aren't completely converted.

02:02:48.000 But I can say Trump was wrong to launch a commando raid in Yemen in his first term, and he should be criminally investigated for the—and investigated, not saying charged, but there's an allegation that the raid resulted in the death of an American girl, a seven-year-old, the little sister of Abdurrahman al-Awlaki.

02:03:03.000 Now, the Obama administration admitted to killing Abdurrahman.

02:03:07.000 I think the DOJ should investigate it.

02:03:13.000 They're not going to.

02:03:14.000 Because no one's going to investigate and arrest Obama.

02:03:16.000 Trump would never do it either.

02:03:18.000 But this is why I like Dave Smith.

02:03:20.000 Because Dave Smith's a guy...

02:03:22.000 He goes on Fox or whatever, and then he starts arguing about the things that the Democrats are doing wrong, and they go, yeah, well, Trump did a bad thing, and he goes, you're right, he did!

02:03:31.000 I don't like him either!

02:03:32.000 It's like, the left thinks everyone who will defend Trump on one issue literally believe everything he does is good.

02:03:39.000 Yeah, well, I'm actually surprised to hear this, that you have...

02:03:43.000 The people who watch this show aren't.

02:03:45.000 Yeah. That's the funny thing about when people on the left say, so we had Ro Khanna on.

02:03:51.000 Yeah. And he said, people warned me not to go on your show.

02:03:53.000 They said it was far right or whatever, but you're actually kind of reasonable, moderate.

02:03:57.000 And I said, really nice.

02:03:58.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like moderate, some liberal, like.

02:04:01.000 Did you like try to fact check him on everything and treat him like you treated me?

02:04:05.000 Oh, yes.

02:04:06.000 Yeah. But it doesn't matter if you're a liberal conservative.

02:04:08.000 Otherwise, if you come here and say something, we'll pull it up.

02:04:09.000 Did you just keep saying like, you're a liberal, you're a liberal, you're a liberal, you're defending the liberals.

02:04:13.000 I said that I'm defending the corporate media over and over again.

02:04:16.000 But I think you missed the point.

02:04:17.000 Okay. You told me I was defending Trump by asking a question about motive, so I said you are attacking Trump, making the point that you are making towards me.

02:04:26.000 What do you mean?

02:04:26.000 I'm not attacking Trump.

02:04:28.000 You said, why are you defending this administration?

02:04:32.000 You're defending that the signal gate was no big deal.

02:04:34.000 I'm not defending the administration.

02:04:36.000 I'm asking the question of what is the purpose of the story and why does it matter?

02:04:40.000 I think that it matters.

02:04:41.000 When you countered, I said, if you're making that point at me that I'm defending Trump by saying this, you claiming it matters is you attacking Trump.

02:04:47.000 I wasn't attacking Trump.

02:04:49.000 And I'm not defending him either.

02:04:50.000 You get my point.

02:04:50.000 So then they were clear.

02:04:51.000 Exactly. That's why I said that.

02:04:53.000 Now you understand.

02:04:54.000 But I think the thing that we disagree on is why that story matters.

02:04:58.000 Right. My point is neither of us are defending or attacking the administration for arguing over the merits of a story.

02:05:03.000 But you said I was defending it because I did.

02:05:05.000 So I said you were attacking Trump because you did.

02:05:08.000 Which is not to say you're literally.

02:05:09.000 I was making the point.

02:05:10.000 Yeah. But anyway, I digress.

02:05:12.000 We're going to go to that uncensored show, and I'm going to go to bed.

02:05:14.000 Because I've got to wake up at 5.30.

02:05:15.000 I've got to leave at 5.30 in the morning.

02:05:17.000 So I've got to wake up seven hours from now, get in a car, drive to D.C., and we're doing...

02:05:22.000 I don't know.

02:05:23.000 I'll just leave it at that.

02:05:24.000 I'll leave it at that, because I don't know what we were supposed to say or not supposed to say.

02:05:27.000 But TimCast is on the official press announcement, so we're good.

02:05:30.000 Are you doing the...

02:05:31.000 Should we expect the regular show tomorrow as well, or you don't know?

02:05:35.000 So Libby will be hosting the morning show on the noon live. 0.95

02:05:39.000 And I believe that I will be able to record my morning segments as normal.

02:05:45.000 But I'll be doing it from the White House.

02:05:46.000 Can I ask you what's the first question?

02:05:50.000 Or for who?

02:05:51.000 For Trump.

02:05:52.000 I'm not talking to Trump.

02:05:53.000 Oh, I thought you were talking to Trump.

02:05:55.000 If I'd be lucky enough for him to take questions, I'll make you wait and see.

02:06:01.000 But honestly, you probably will.

02:06:02.000 You probably will get an audience with him.

02:06:04.000 I have three or four questions.

02:06:05.000 A lot asked Donald Trump if he knows who a woman is.

02:06:08.000 Yeah, my first question to Caroline Levitt was, what do they think about pardoning Derek Chauvin?

02:06:12.000 The second one was, what is a woman to Trump? 0.99

02:06:15.000 But you have to always be ready for him to let you into the Oval Office to ask a question.

02:06:18.000 So what, if you had a chance, would be your first question.

02:06:20.000 So like right now, boom, I'm bringing lead into the office.

02:06:23.000 President Trump, will you allow Hamas to stay in power in a post-war scenario?

02:06:27.000 Question two would be, President Trump, do you believe there's any national security concern when it comes to the quarter million...

02:06:34.000 You would not let Hamas remove control. 0.81

02:06:38.000 Don't you think it's huge if he says that publicly?

02:06:39.000 If he says it, yeah.

02:06:41.000 The significance?

02:06:42.000 No, of course there's no.

02:06:43.000 That means the war doesn't stop.

02:06:45.000 Yeah, that's gigantic, actually.

02:06:46.000 That means we have to wipe out Hamas. 0.97

02:06:49.000 He literally calls them terrorists every single day. 0.88

02:06:51.000 We're over.

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02:07:27.000 Tara, that was a really pleasant podcast and I hope you can come back and do it again.

02:07:31.000 I mean that seriously.

02:07:32.000 I had a lot of fun.

02:07:33.000 I like it when people have different ideas and we kind of get into it on here.

02:07:37.000 Waffle says, can we do two more hours, please?

02:07:40.000 Hopefully soon.

02:07:41.000 Waffle, can I eat you for breakfast tomorrow?

02:07:42.000 I'm joking.

02:07:43.000 Oh my goodness.

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02:07:47.000 You can find me and Tim tomorrow at the White House.

02:07:49.000 It's going to be very exciting.

02:07:50.000 We'll leave it at that for now.

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02:08:14.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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02:10:44.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:10:48.000 Thank you.

02:11:08.000 Okay. Just drag it over.

02:11:09.000 This one.

02:11:10.000 Yep. Hey, buddy!

02:11:13.000 Oh, that's sufficiently horrible.

02:11:17.000 So, are journalists vultures or not?

02:11:21.000 And that's the topic.

02:11:22.000 Are you guys really going to keep on this on me?

02:11:24.000 Well, listen, like I said, this is the unsensitive...

02:11:27.000 Truth to power!

02:11:27.000 What is the most important truth to power story you've broken, Tara?

02:11:31.000 Let's speak truth to power.

02:11:33.000 You want to know what was a really good truth to power story, which I'm sure you boys would love?

02:11:36.000 I hate that terminology, truth to power, because it's so subjective.

02:11:39.000 Go on, anyway.

02:11:40.000 I'm sorry, yeah.

02:11:42.000 When I worked at Politico, and it was like the beginning of the Biden administration during the honeymoon.

02:11:47.000 I don't know if you guys remember this, but one of his staffers got fired for screaming at a reporter.

02:11:53.000 I do, yes.

02:11:54.000 That was me. 1.00

02:11:55.000 Yeah, so I already did not have the best relationship with their administration, but I had him go fuck themselves. 0.99

02:12:00.000 Why did they yell at you? 0.99

02:12:01.000 What happened?

02:12:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:12:03.000 He said, I'm going to come after you, and this and that.

02:12:05.000 Who was the staffer?

02:12:06.000 What did you do?

02:12:08.000 I'm not telling.

02:12:09.000 Who was the staffer?

02:12:10.000 I did my job.

02:12:10.000 I was reporting.

02:12:12.000 You've got to tell us more than that.

02:12:13.000 Wait a minute, you're the one who brought it up here.

02:12:15.000 Where's the truth to power?

02:12:17.000 I don't want to go into it. 0.99

02:12:19.000 Fucking don't bring it up. 0.99

02:12:20.000 Yeah, truth to power. 1.00

02:12:21.000 You can Google it.

02:12:22.000 It's everywhere.

02:12:23.000 You're right here.

02:12:23.000 You only got fired.

02:12:25.000 What? Nobody knows your story like that.

02:12:28.000 You really need to tell us.

02:12:29.000 I don't like to rehash it. 1.00

02:12:30.000 Come on, the Biden is just a garbage administration. 1.00

02:12:33.000 You know that. 0.99

02:12:34.000 Okay, so basically, like, it was a... 1.00

02:12:37.000 Stupid story, honestly, at the time. 1.00

02:12:39.000 But I thought it was interesting that Biden's deputy press secretary was dating a journalist. 1.00

02:12:45.000 And I was like, in the case of journalism, I thought, like, this is...

02:12:49.000 And it really wasn't even...

02:12:50.000 In the press room?

02:12:52.000 One of the journalists in the press room?

02:12:53.000 She was on the campaign trail, and then she was going to cover the administration.

02:12:56.000 Oh. Yeah, so...

02:12:58.000 Get to know each other, get that...

02:12:59.000 That's very common, by the way.

02:13:00.000 That work girlfriend kind of thing, right?

02:13:02.000 That's real access journalism.

02:13:03.000 It's actually not that common, to be honest.

02:13:05.000 It's not.

02:13:06.000 I know you think it's common.

02:13:06.000 I feel like I've heard that multiple times.

02:13:08.000 It happens from time to time, but it's not that common.

02:13:10.000 Who was it?

02:13:11.000 Let's hear names.

02:13:12.000 I just don't feel like going into it.

02:13:13.000 You can Google it.

02:13:14.000 Yeah, you can Google it.

02:13:15.000 I don't need to rehash an old story.

02:13:19.000 So regardless, guy loses his job.

02:13:21.000 The whole pretext is to say that I am not...

02:13:25.000 The favored reporter at Politico covering the Biden administration.

02:13:29.000 Wait, I'm sorry.

02:13:30.000 Was that first part of the story Truth to Power 2, talking about...

02:13:34.000 Yeah, I was the one who was baldy enough.

02:13:36.000 Everyone in the press corps knew about it, and I was the only one who made a phone call and said, hey, what's going on here?

02:13:41.000 Everybody knew about it, and I actually made a call.

02:13:43.000 So, yeah.

02:13:45.000 Truth to power.

02:13:45.000 Well, that's because no one else wanted to make a phone call or mention it because they wanted the access.

02:13:50.000 Exactly. I don't care about the access.

02:13:51.000 That's something that I've been talking about that I talk about constantly.

02:13:54.000 Because I'm trying to get the story.

02:13:55.000 There's so many people in Washington that are more interested in access than anything else.

02:14:00.000 Totally. Because money isn't as good as being able to pick up the phone and saying, hey, can you help me out here?

02:14:05.000 You can make money, but the point of money is...

02:14:09.000 So much of the journalism that happens to in the press room, which is why I told you it doesn't really matter, is performative journalism.

02:14:13.000 It's not actually, like, real.

02:14:15.000 The real stories are outside of the press room.

02:14:17.000 But that's just a pretext to the real story that I was going to tell you about.

02:14:22.000 I learned about this whole Hunter Biden thing with the gun.

02:14:26.000 And the whole story with the gun where he threw his, you know, threw the gun in the garbage and I went to Delaware and I tracked it all down and I got the form that he lied on and he said he wasn't.

02:14:37.000 1473. Yeah, exactly.

02:14:38.000 I did all the reporting.

02:14:40.000 It had not been reported yet.

02:14:41.000 And then I found out that the Secret Service was involved.

02:14:43.000 And so I did this big story and it took me months and months and months, not just to stand it up to the level of what, you know.

02:14:50.000 I was talking about with Tim, but to convince my editors to publish it, which was very frustrating to me as a journalist that I had to spend so much time.

02:14:57.000 And I felt, honestly, that if it was a story about the Trump kids...

02:14:59.000 Of course!

02:15:01.000 That's literally what we're talking about all the time!

02:15:03.000 Yes, but here's the thing.

02:15:05.000 If I had a story about the Trump kids, I would do the same thing too.

02:15:07.000 I would report it out.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, but the point that Tim was making and the point that we're generally making is exactly like you're saying.

02:15:15.000 I agree with you.

02:15:16.000 I don't agree with your premise, but I don't disagree with the fact that the actual news...

02:15:21.000 What do you mean the premise?

02:15:22.000 I don't agree with the premise that there is a lot of agenda, and it tends to be liberal in the mainstream media.

02:15:27.000 You don't agree with that?

02:15:28.000 I agree with it.

02:15:29.000 I agree with it.

02:15:30.000 I also worked for conservative publications.

02:15:32.000 I worked for two conservative publications.

02:15:34.000 What was the part that you said?

02:15:35.000 You said you don't agree with the premise.

02:15:36.000 What's the premise that you don't agree with?

02:15:39.000 I don't agree with the premise that the information should not come out.

02:15:43.000 Oh, okay.

02:15:43.000 Yeah, I believe that ultimately more information is better.

02:15:47.000 Sunlight is better, essentially.

02:15:48.000 Fair enough.

02:15:48.000 And so I worked at conservative publications, and at the conservative publications, it was a different slant.

02:15:53.000 And then when I worked at liberal publications, it was a different slant.

02:15:56.000 And so I struggled. 0.88

02:15:57.000 I knew that if I work at this publication, I'm probably going to have to fight and kill.

02:16:02.000 Do you feel like there's any place that doesn't have a slant? 1.00

02:16:05.000 No, and that's why I work for myself.

02:16:07.000 That's what I was saying.

02:16:08.000 That's why I work for myself.

02:16:10.000 Really? So there is nowhere.

02:16:12.000 The days of journalism actually being straight up the middle or whatever, if it ever did exist, it's definitely gone now.

02:16:19.000 Probably the Wall Street Journal is a really good place to go for news.

02:16:22.000 I think they're pretty fair.

02:16:23.000 They did a lot of aggressive reporting on Joe Biden and his decline when it was considered like, ooh, you can't do that.

02:16:29.000 It's not polite society.

02:16:31.000 I went on Bill Maher and said he literally is a zombie.

02:16:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:34.000 But I was still covering it as a journalist.

02:16:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:38.000 So the point is that it's very hard to find a place that does not have an agenda.

02:16:43.000 And I think for me, if people ask me, what should you watch or read?

02:16:47.000 I'm like, just read the Wall Street Journal.

02:16:49.000 I do think the Times, there are great reporters there that I've worked with at the New York Post, by the way.

02:16:52.000 Like Maggie Haberman, she's a great reporter, honestly.

02:16:55.000 And so when her byline is done on the story about Pete Hegseth and there's no denial from the...

02:17:01.000 The chief spokesperson, I gotta think, this story's pretty tight.

02:17:06.000 And that's why I said beware of defending them too much, because we don't know what's coming.

02:17:12.000 And listen, not everyone in the business is great.

02:17:16.000 I don't believe it.

02:17:17.000 And the problem with Me Too, and this is why I could never be a politician or really I don't work well in big organizations, is I have this sort of anti-establishment thing inside of me or I really question authority.

02:17:28.000 I always have, which kind of makes, frankly, a good reporter.

02:17:30.000 Self-destructive.

02:17:31.000 Yeah. No, you raise your hand and you're like, but why?

02:17:33.000 But why?

02:17:34.000 But why? 0.95

02:17:35.000 The kid in the class, the teacher, is like, can you just shut up?

02:17:37.000 And so that makes it hard to be in places where clicks matter.

02:17:41.000 And the sheep follow one way and everyone's afraid to have a different voice or to have a different way of thinking.

02:17:47.000 And so I think when you work in a news organization, it's really hard to stand out.

02:17:50.000 And by the way, I will tell you, after that Biden story and a few others that were critical of the administration, suddenly, I'm not working on Playbook anymore.

02:18:00.000 Of course not.

02:18:01.000 Suddenly, I'm not.

02:18:02.000 I've been demoted to chief.

02:18:04.000 You know, White House, what did they call me?

02:18:06.000 Chief National Correspondent.

02:18:08.000 And, like, they were like, oh, you know, you don't get along with this person or that.

02:18:11.000 I'm like, because I'm fighting for stories.

02:18:13.000 I'm fighting for news to be broken.

02:18:14.000 And it's like, that's where you kind of get to this point where you're, like, in your career.

02:18:19.000 And I will say, though, when I lived in Brussels, though, and I covered the European Union and Brexit and all that other stuff, I didn't really have those problems as much because it's less political. 0.98

02:18:27.000 Well, because nobody in America gives a fuck what anyone in Europe thinks. 0.70

02:18:29.000 So nobody's trying to get in their, like, get in their phone book. 0.99

02:18:32.000 Yeah, I was just, like, I was just, I was.

02:18:34.000 Okay, well, you know, the Prime Minister, though, at the time, David Cameron, did call my boss and was like, how is she getting all these stories about Brexit?

02:18:42.000 Like, she's just this American girl. 0.59

02:18:43.000 And I figured out the whole system, essentially, about how to...

02:18:46.000 To really break stories there.

02:18:48.000 But the point is I didn't face that much.

02:18:50.000 I had a great time because I didn't face that much resistance.

02:18:53.000 I just did my job.

02:18:54.000 And nobody got in my way.

02:18:56.000 And they weren't like, hey.

02:18:57.000 Welcome to America.

02:18:58.000 That's not the way it is around here.

02:19:00.000 And so everyone's just fighting.

02:19:01.000 And here's another problem.

02:19:02.000 Here's another dynamic as we trash journalists.

02:19:04.000 There aren't a lot of jobs in journalism.

02:19:06.000 People are hanging on for dear lives.

02:19:08.000 And so.

02:19:10.000 I wasn't really seeing your...

02:19:11.000 Is that a symptom of the internet or is that a symptom of...

02:19:14.000 Is that because your papers are going away?

02:19:18.000 What's the main cause?

02:19:19.000 It's everything.

02:19:20.000 It's everything.

02:19:21.000 Authenticity. And yes, bad choices.

02:19:24.000 Bad choices that were made by the ones that we've sort of alluded to.

02:19:30.000 Bad choices.

02:19:32.000 People losing trust in the media.

02:19:33.000 I think Trump and his fake news campaign hasn't helped.

02:19:36.000 But I also just think newspapers in general have gotten skinnier because of lack of ads.

02:19:40.000 Two things.

02:19:41.000 So first of all, you mentioned Trump and his fake news.

02:19:44.000 You understand why he said that, though, right?

02:19:48.000 The whole, when he's...

02:19:50.000 The Russia stuff.

02:19:51.000 Well, no, not just the Russia stuff, but also the very fine people hoax.

02:19:55.000 That kind of stuff is why he said that.

02:19:58.000 He said it on camera, so I don't understand why there was a...

02:20:01.000 I think people were just offended that he didn't even acknowledge...

02:20:04.000 But the point that was made, and Barack Obama made the same lie.

02:20:09.000 The whole point of Joe Biden running for president was because he said that he was defending...

02:20:14.000 He said that Donald Trump was defending Nazis.

02:20:17.000 But who were the fine people on the other side?

02:20:19.000 It doesn't matter.

02:20:20.000 No, but I want to know who are they?

02:20:21.000 Who are the fine people with the torches?

02:20:25.000 The day that they're talking about was a...

02:20:28.000 You're kind of talking about both sides of your mouth.

02:20:29.000 No, listen.

02:20:30.000 The day that they were talking about...

02:20:31.000 Let me finish.

02:20:32.000 The day they were talking about was a free speech talk when they were pulling down statues of southern confederates.

02:20:40.000 And there were Nazi, actual Nazis that went there.

02:20:44.000 But he was talking about the people that were not associated with the Nazis because there were free speech people there saying that this is a free speech issue.

02:20:52.000 And so Trump was talking about the people that were there that were protesting about free speech, not about Nazis.

02:20:58.000 I never really thought of Trump as like a...

02:21:01.000 Free speech activist. 1.00

02:21:03.000 He specifically articulated this shit. 1.00

02:21:07.000 Not just kind of minced around or whatever. 0.99

02:21:10.000 He specifically articulated that.

02:21:13.000 Maybe you don't believe him.

02:21:16.000 Maybe you have a gut instinct that says no.

02:21:19.000 My gut instinct says that some of those fine people on the other side were probably some of them voted for Trump and he didn't want to offend them.

02:21:25.000 It doesn't matter.

02:21:27.000 The point is that there were some people there that weren't there because they were looking to defend Nazis or whatever.

02:21:32.000 There were people that were not affiliated with Nazis at all.

02:21:35.000 There were just normal people. 0.99

02:21:36.000 There were a shitload of Southerners that were like, this is fucked up. 1.00

02:21:40.000 You're not taking our fucking heritage down. 0.99

02:21:42.000 Now, whether or not you agree with it doesn't change the fact that they're not like, hey man, let's get ready for the thousand year Reich, homie. 0.98

02:21:50.000 They're literally there saying, don't pull down these statues.

02:21:53.000 And it's totally...

02:21:55.000 I get that, but who feels that passionately about going to a free speech rally over a confederate?

02:22:02.000 Because we don't want to erase history.

02:22:03.000 What was that?

02:22:04.000 Because we don't want to erase history.

02:22:05.000 Fair enough.

02:22:06.000 But also, it was a very important part of American history.

02:22:08.000 Look at the time.

02:22:09.000 I agree that we don't want to erase history, but like...

02:22:13.000 Monuments. You put great people on monuments.

02:22:16.000 You also put monuments to massacres.

02:22:18.000 You bring your children to these things to show them a physical thing.

02:22:21.000 The way that he, the position of that monument was not like the position of a massacre.

02:22:25.000 It wasn't like a wall with all the names on it.

02:22:27.000 Listen, again, you can have your own opinion.

02:22:29.000 What if there was like a Hitler monument in Germany?

02:22:31.000 I don't care what people do. 0.98

02:22:33.000 What the fuck do you think Auschwitz is? 0.98

02:22:35.000 No, it's not. 0.99

02:22:36.000 That's not a monument to Hitler.

02:22:37.000 That is a monument to the people who lost their lives.

02:22:39.000 It speaks about his atrocity.

02:22:41.000 And how they still revere all their war criminals from World War II?

02:22:45.000 Yeah, because they think they're on the right side of history in their minds.

02:22:49.000 Everybody thinks you're on the right side of history.

02:22:51.000 That's how it works.

02:22:53.000 Jeremy doesn't think that Hitler was on the right side of history. 0.87

02:22:55.000 Oh, that's because that was pretty bad.

02:22:56.000 Yeah, that was really bad.

02:22:57.000 Because that was kind of bad.

02:22:58.000 Yeah, that was really bad.

02:23:00.000 Russians don't think that Stalin, or a lot of Russians don't think Stalin was on the wrong side of history. 0.99

02:23:04.000 And Stalin killed way more fucking people than Hitler. 0.97

02:23:07.000 And if you talk to, like, even when you go back into our wars. 0.99

02:23:10.000 No, but no, no, listen, no, no, no.

02:23:12.000 If you talk to a lot of people. 1.00

02:23:12.000 Hold on, hold the fuck on. 1.00

02:23:14.000 You just said, oh, well, obviously Hitler was bad because he killed more people. 1.00

02:23:19.000 Fair enough. 0.50

02:23:19.000 Hitler... It was a systematic genocide. 0.50

02:23:22.000 No, no, no.

02:23:22.000 You said the Germans don't think Hitler was good because they were so bad.

02:23:25.000 But then I said, well, the Russians generally don't think Stalin's bad and he killed more people than fucking Hitler. 0.97

02:23:31.000 So the point that I'm making is it's not that everybody always thinks that they're on the right side of history. 0.96

02:23:37.000 I would disagree with this.

02:23:38.000 Or they were on.

02:23:39.000 Okay. As having a mother who literally immigrated here from the Soviet Union, they don't...

02:23:43.000 And like...

02:23:44.000 Not all.

02:23:44.000 Okay, fine.

02:23:45.000 But you still don't get the same... 0.99

02:23:48.000 You get fucking American kids that are like, nah, Stalin was great, man. 0.99

02:23:51.000 Really? In fucking Brooklyn, of course! 1.00

02:23:54.000 Oh, God. 1.00

02:23:54.000 Like, you have communists all over goddamn New York City. 1.00

02:23:57.000 Okay, but what's the line between, like, hate speech and terrorism? 0.99

02:24:01.000 There is no such thing as hate speech.

02:24:04.000 Terrorism is when you are actually calling for violence.

02:24:07.000 If you are actually calling for active violence right now, like, we need to go grab the pitchfork.

02:24:14.000 There was violence at that event.

02:24:15.000 What happened?

02:24:16.000 That's not the same thing.

02:24:18.000 Yeah. Because they're not calling for violence.

02:24:20.000 It just happened.

02:24:20.000 And just because there was violence?

02:24:22.000 Yeah. I mean, like, that doesn't mean that they were calling, that everybody there was calling for violence.

02:24:27.000 Either way, the fact that you're, like, making, you're sitting here doing the whole, well, you know, it kind of was kind of bad.

02:24:33.000 No, it was bad.

02:24:34.000 No, no, talking about what Trump said.

02:24:37.000 He was parsing his words.

02:24:39.000 He was speaking out of two sides of his mouth. 1.00

02:24:40.000 No, the fuck he wasn't! 1.00

02:24:42.000 Yes, he was. 1.00

02:24:42.000 This is why. 1.00

02:24:43.000 He had to add a qualifier.

02:24:45.000 This is why.

02:24:46.000 No, he didn't.

02:24:48.000 He specifically said, and I'm not talking about the Nazis.

02:24:51.000 And everything you saw was a deceptively edited video.

02:24:54.000 And that's why you were brainwashed into thinking otherwise.

02:24:57.000 He articulated.

02:24:58.000 Listen, he articulated.

02:25:00.000 I'm not calling you names. 0.99

02:25:01.000 I'm not getting into any of that shit. 0.99

02:25:02.000 I'm telling you, he articulated that I'm not talking about the white... 1.00

02:25:10.000 He said this.

02:25:16.000 He didn't say, like, First Amendment.

02:25:18.000 He said, I just pulled it up.

02:25:19.000 You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

02:25:24.000 The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

02:25:26.000 Yes. Other than.

02:25:27.000 And he said, I'm not talking about the white nationalists and the neo-Nazis.

02:25:32.000 You also had some very fine people on both sides.

02:25:34.000 Yes. The very fine people on both sides comment.

02:25:39.000 There's no disputing that he said that. 0.96

02:25:41.000 Because he was talking about the people that were protesting.

02:25:44.000 Because there was that poor girl that got killed that got run over.

02:25:47.000 Guys, I don't really want to keep going into this because it was an atrocious moment.

02:25:51.000 And I feel like if you can't have any moral...

02:25:53.000 Do you guys want to pull the clip up and watch it that you don't understand?

02:25:56.000 I'm not calling you names, I'm not insulting you or anything, but the point is, he made specific comments that were- he made a specific- Statement.

02:26:08.000 Not talking about these people, but you're still like, well, you know, and kind of bad.

02:26:11.000 It wasn't great.

02:26:13.000 It wasn't great.

02:26:14.000 Again, you're sitting here saying, well, you know, you're doubling.

02:26:18.000 It wasn't great.

02:26:20.000 It wasn't great.

02:26:20.000 Okay, we got to go to the...

02:26:22.000 Yeah, let's just move on.

02:26:22.000 We can't get Discord to work?

02:26:25.000 Yeah, I'm so happy it's not working.

02:26:26.000 Can we just keep going?

02:26:27.000 Because I really don't want to rehash something that happened in 2017 and it's not a great moment.

02:26:31.000 We're talking about...

02:26:36.000 Okay. Why won't it?

02:26:37.000 You don't know?

02:26:38.000 No, I don't.

02:26:38.000 All right.

02:26:40.000 And by the way, as someone who's covered President Trump for a very long time, like since I was 22, since the New York Post, this is what he does.

02:26:49.000 This is how he talks.

02:26:50.000 I thought you didn't want to go into it again.

02:26:51.000 Yeah, fine.

02:26:52.000 Let's go.

02:26:52.000 But that's just how he does it, you know?

02:26:55.000 Well, okay, so...

02:26:57.000 Essentially, you're saying that you're not buying that the very fine people hoax was a hoax.

02:27:03.000 I don't think it was a hoax.

02:27:04.000 You think that he actually was parsing his words because he didn't want to offend the neo-Nazis?

02:27:11.000 Yeah. Okay.

02:27:12.000 Yeah. Well, I don't have...

02:27:16.000 We don't have the ability...

02:27:17.000 Not necessarily the neo-Nazis, but the people who are sympathizers of the Confederates.

02:27:22.000 Confederate sympathizers.

02:27:23.000 That's perfectly acceptable behavior.

02:27:26.000 I mean, sure.

02:27:27.000 But the point that I'm...

02:27:28.000 If you are a sympathizer of the Confederates, which a lot of people are in the South, which...

02:27:33.000 Liking Abraham Lincoln is just as bad as liking the Confederates.

02:27:35.000 Why? How?

02:27:36.000 Because he was evil and racist and a tyrant. 0.99

02:27:38.000 How was he evil and racist? 0.99

02:27:40.000 He threw a lot of people in jail unlawfully that he thought were his enemy.

02:27:45.000 No due process there.

02:27:46.000 Yeah, he said that if...

02:27:50.000 If enshrining slavery into the Constitution would save the Union, he'd do it. 1.00

02:27:53.000 And he said if getting rid of slavery is what it takes to save the Union, then he'll do that.

02:27:58.000 They were going to deport all the slaves to an island called Linconia, named after Lincoln.

02:28:03.000 I don't think there's any moral comparisons between Lincoln and any of the Confederates.

02:28:08.000 Lincoln was desperate to keep the country together, and the Confederates were determined to split it apart.

02:28:14.000 I think it's more fractured, though, honestly.

02:28:16.000 Because I think there's obviously more...

02:28:19.000 I mean, we could do this literally every topic.

02:28:21.000 We could literally go down this rabbit hole at every topic.

02:28:23.000 No, but just to...

02:28:24.000 No luck, huh?

02:28:26.000 As far as Lincoln goes, of course he did some things that were unconstitutional, but I mean, I think those were obviously extraordinary times, and I don't think we should whitewash what the Confederates were trying to accomplish.

02:28:36.000 Secession is probably like Xi Jinping's wet dream.

02:28:40.000 Like, I couldn't think of something that makes...

02:28:41.000 I just don't agree with total war.

02:28:43.000 I also just don't believe in, like, the enslavement of humans.

02:28:46.000 A lot of people in the North did, though.

02:28:49.000 Okay, sure.

02:28:49.000 Sure, but I don't.

02:28:51.000 We're talking about the time frame.

02:28:53.000 I don't think that's a good thing.

02:28:56.000 In the same way that we talk about the Holocaust, I don't believe in that either. 0.70

02:29:02.000 You don't believe the Holocaust happened? 0.96

02:29:03.000 No, of course I believe it happened.

02:29:05.000 I have family that was in a camp.

02:29:07.000 Are you joking?

02:29:09.000 That was extermination.

02:29:12.000 No, but some people were put in slave camps, too.

02:29:15.000 To build alter...

02:29:16.000 No, some were put in camps to build bombs, to be used as human guinea pigs, essentially, like Bayer drugs.

02:29:23.000 They used...

02:29:23.000 My grandmother, for example, she was put in a camp in Hamburg, and she was not Jewish, but they used her as a child to try drugs.

02:29:34.000 Was she a gypsy? 1.00

02:29:34.000 No, she's a pole. 1.00

02:29:36.000 They put the Poles in camps, and they called them family camps, but they were still concentration camps, and they worked them to build the artillery and the bombs that they needed to continue the war, and they used the children to try out their drugs. 0.85

02:29:52.000 I mean, it's not the same thing as what happened to the Jews by far.

02:29:54.000 I mean, what happened to them is terrible, and they were immediately exterminated, which my grandmother told me too.

02:30:00.000 She was like, it was not the same.

02:30:01.000 We were basically put into two different lines.

02:30:03.000 But they were camps, and they were...

02:30:05.000 We're enslaved people until the war was over.

02:30:07.000 That happens a lot in wars, and it's horrible.

02:30:09.000 But people are enslaved during wars.

02:30:11.000 Prisoners of war.

02:30:13.000 And not to say that I don't know the full story on this Lincoln enslavement, but I do think just to be clear about history.

02:30:19.000 We were part of enslavement.

02:30:20.000 What do you mean?

02:30:22.000 Slavery in the United States.

02:30:23.000 Slavery in the United States.

02:30:25.000 Okay. Yeah.

02:30:27.000 It's different, but the point is that, yes.

02:30:30.000 I don't even remember what the point was to begin with.

02:30:32.000 You think Lincoln is evil?

02:30:33.000 I don't even believe you think...

02:30:34.000 Yeah, I don't think we should be lionizing him.

02:30:36.000 All of our presidents are war criminals.

02:30:38.000 All of our presidents are war criminals? 1.00

02:30:40.000 I mean, fuck me, I guess. 1.00

02:30:42.000 Donald Trump's a war criminal? 1.00

02:30:43.000 You have to think Donald Trump too.

02:30:44.000 Silent Cal. 0.99

02:30:45.000 Donald Trump is a war criminal too.

02:30:46.000 I also think he should be tried for war speed.

02:30:48.000 What happened during Jimmy Carter?

02:30:50.000 Well, there was the...

02:30:51.000 A lot.

02:30:53.000 And the attempt to...

02:30:55.000 The contra, the gas shortages.

02:30:57.000 Didn't that happen?

02:30:58.000 Gas shortages doesn't make you a war criminal.

02:31:00.000 Oh, you're talking about war criminal.

02:31:01.000 I thought you were talking about bad things.

02:31:03.000 People were killing each other over it.

02:31:04.000 The botched attempt to go and free the...

02:31:07.000 I guess just because they're the head of state, they're responsible for anything.

02:31:10.000 The FBI, CIA, Pentagon. 0.82

02:31:12.000 Yeah, you kill... 1.00

02:31:13.000 Obama's a real criminal. 1.00

02:31:14.000 Never mind. 0.99

02:31:15.000 I also disagree.

02:31:16.000 I don't think any of our presidents have been war criminals.

02:31:19.000 I think it's like an outrageous assertion.

02:31:21.000 Because you're a war hawk.

02:31:21.000 And we love war.

02:31:22.000 Historically, every leader of every country is a war criminal.

02:31:25.000 Then every statist, every person who's ever been involved in government is involved in war crimes.

02:31:29.000 So, I mean, it's a crazy purity test, I think, to put somebody on.

02:31:34.000 What did you say?

02:31:35.000 What? I said, I need to get out of here.

02:31:38.000 I feel like I'm being boxed in again.

02:31:40.000 No, we're arguing ourselves.

02:31:43.000 Okay, you're arguing.

02:31:45.000 You're arguing against me.

02:31:45.000 It's fine.

02:31:46.000 I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore.

02:31:48.000 Oh, because I said Lincoln like Hitler.

02:31:50.000 He's arguing that Lincoln is a war criminal.

02:31:52.000 He's arguing that all presidents are a war criminal.

02:31:55.000 Do you have gradients of war criminalism?

02:31:57.000 Do you judge them on different levels?

02:32:00.000 I think they just all start a lot of really bad things.

02:32:03.000 Bomb innocent people.

02:32:04.000 Obama, Bush, all use the same definition of what a terrorist is.

02:32:07.000 It's very vague.

02:32:08.000 Definition Trump used it too.

02:32:09.000 And they all use drones.

02:32:11.000 American presidents aside, wait.

02:32:13.000 What about Putin?

02:32:14.000 Is Putin a war criminal? 0.98

02:32:15.000 They're all war criminals. 0.99

02:32:15.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

02:32:16.000 Hey, I didn't know.

02:32:17.000 I'm talking about America a lot.

02:32:18.000 Some people say Putin is not a war criminal. 0.85

02:32:21.000 He's also a COVID tyrant. 1.00

02:32:23.000 They're all criminals. 1.00

02:32:24.000 Xi Jinping, of course. 1.00

02:32:27.000 He's got concentration camps.

02:32:28.000 Hey, I don't know.

02:32:29.000 It's odd because some people defend some of those guys.

02:32:31.000 So you're an equal... 0.97

02:32:33.000 I hate all these people. 0.96

02:32:37.000 Who's the guy from El Salvador again? 0.94

02:32:40.000 See, Chris Carr loves him.

02:32:42.000 I have issues with the dictators.

02:32:45.000 Look, man, whatever your thoughts on Bukele, Bukele has done far more positive than he has negative.

02:32:54.000 I totally understand.

02:32:56.000 No question there.

02:32:56.000 I just don't trust...

02:32:58.000 Anyone with that much power over a country.

02:33:01.000 You're talking Tara's language.

02:33:03.000 Truth to power!

02:33:05.000 I don't think you can sustain that.

02:33:07.000 I don't think you can sustain that.

02:33:08.000 This is...

02:33:09.000 She's had enough.

02:33:11.000 No, it's been a lot.

02:33:15.000 It's been a lot.

02:33:17.000 It's 10.30 at night and you want me to think?

02:33:23.000 You okay?

02:33:25.000 We can't get the callers to...

02:33:26.000 Yeah, I think...

02:33:28.000 I think we should probably wrap it then.

02:33:30.000 Do we want to take a couple of Rumble Rants instead of the calls and maybe head out?

02:33:33.000 I don't know if there's a way for them to question...

02:33:36.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:33:37.000 I can't do it because he's running the computer.

02:33:40.000 Serge is fine.

02:33:42.000 Serge is an OG.

02:33:44.000 The point is I can't take Robo Rants because there's only one controller between these computers.

02:33:56.000 And I don't think, actually, I don't even, like, there's not, I don't want to take rumble rants, but at the same time, do we really want to beat up on Tara anymore?

02:34:03.000 Yeah, keep going. 1.00

02:34:03.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:34:06.000 I mean, if we... 1.00

02:34:06.000 Wow, Phil gave you the cleanest out for you to just turn down. 1.00

02:34:10.000 Yeah, no, I'm joking.

02:34:11.000 Is it cool?

02:34:12.000 Are we done?

02:34:12.000 Well, we're working on it.

02:34:14.000 So normally, normally what we do is we go to, we have our Discord and we go to callers on the Discord.

02:34:19.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:34:19.000 How much?

02:34:20.000 I thought this was only like 10-30.

02:34:21.000 Okay, I was literally trying to explain.

02:34:24.000 Normally, we go to callers, and we have our Discord.

02:34:28.000 People call in, and they can ask questions, but our Discord has crashed, so...

02:34:32.000 Oh. Sign.

02:34:37.000 Yeah. It's a sign.

02:34:39.000 All right, well, thank you for being a good sport.

02:34:41.000 Guys. We appreciate you.

02:34:43.000 Lisa, just text me.

02:34:45.000 Where's my ice?

02:34:46.000 I've been in the boxing ring.

02:34:47.000 I feel like I'm the...

02:34:48.000 Our booker, Lisa, just text me, and I was like, you gotta bring her back. 0.96

02:34:53.000 Lisa, oh my god, I'm going to need to be paid for this one.

02:34:57.000 I don't know if you're going to feel up to it, but we would love to have you come back.

02:35:02.000 You're like, guys, we know that we're going to really box her in it.

02:35:06.000 Honestly, you know what?

02:35:07.000 I've got to say, my only regret was that I had read more about the immigrant case up front because I don't think I was truly prepared for that part.

02:35:19.000 And I think you should – I should admit regrets.

02:35:21.000 Normally – I didn't really know what was going on with the immigration.

02:35:24.000 I just think ultimately it's kind of another one of those 80-20 issues where – but I do worry about the president pushing the boundaries of his power and – Just think of FDR.

02:35:36.000 Oh, well, yeah.

02:35:37.000 That was crazy, right?

02:35:38.000 FDR pushed the boundaries a lot.

02:35:40.000 Yeah, he had three terms.

02:35:42.000 Well, that – but there was no – there was no – It wasn't unconstitutional back then.

02:35:48.000 I know, but even that.

02:35:49.000 He had concentration camps.

02:35:50.000 He had concentration camps.

02:35:52.000 Terrible. However, whatever Trump is doing, he's definitely not even come close to FDR territory.

02:35:59.000 And the point that I'm making is we survived FDR.

02:36:02.000 Aren't we supposed to learn from things and get better?

02:36:05.000 I don't think that Trump is worse.

02:36:07.000 I don't think he's...

02:36:08.000 He should be better.

02:36:09.000 He's definitely better.

02:36:10.000 He's better, but I don't want to go worse.

02:36:12.000 I don't want to go backward.

02:36:13.000 I don't want to go worse either.

02:36:13.000 I want to go better.

02:36:14.000 I don't want to put Americans in concentration camps.

02:36:17.000 No! I don't want people to be incorrectly deported either unless they deserve to be deported.

02:36:21.000 See, I think I want to deport enough. 0.98

02:36:23.000 We have 20 million people that are in the country illegally.

02:36:26.000 We need to deport them all. 1.00

02:36:27.000 And if you're going to deport them, there's going to be errors.

02:36:30.000 And those people...

02:36:30.000 The errors need to be fixed.

02:36:31.000 That's the scary part.

02:36:32.000 The errors need to be fixed.

02:36:33.000 But to think that the government...

02:36:34.000 What if I look like an error?

02:36:35.000 What if I'm just like, you know what, that girl, she's an error.

02:36:38.000 So then I tell you what.

02:36:39.000 What if my, you know, my dad's really dark, by the way.

02:36:42.000 Listen, you've got Lisa's phone number.

02:36:43.000 He looks like a Sicilian mobster.

02:36:44.000 You've got Lisa's phone number.

02:36:47.000 He looks like he's Arab.

02:36:48.000 Listen, you've got Lisa's phone number.

02:36:50.000 Call Lisa.

02:36:50.000 Does he have an MS-13 tattoo on his knuckles?

02:36:54.000 No, he doesn't.

02:36:54.000 He doesn't have any gang tattoos?

02:36:57.000 You're fine.

02:36:57.000 Nothing to imply that you're in any gangs or non-citizens?

02:37:00.000 What if the next administration does what?

02:37:04.000 Finds that my father is out of vogue because my dad is very Trumpy, loves Trump, like all that.

02:37:10.000 But they find his political speech to be a threat.

02:37:12.000 Is he a citizen?

02:37:13.000 The good news, they've already done all that.

02:37:17.000 We've already done it, and when the next administration comes in, if they're Democrats, they're going to do it again.

02:37:22.000 By the way, my dad's not a mobster, by the way.

02:37:24.000 He just looks like when he's just a nice electrician.

02:37:26.000 Backtracking now, she's worried.

02:37:28.000 They're coming for your dad!

02:37:30.000 The point is, when the Democrats learn nothing, listen, the Democrats have learned nothing, and whoever gets in is going to do all the stuff that Joe Biden did, plus more.

02:37:39.000 So it's only going to get worse.

02:37:41.000 Well, in fairness, I do agree with you that in the sense that Joe Biden, he actually allowed for a lot of the things that are...

02:37:46.000 Of course he did.

02:37:48.000 Not everything.

02:37:49.000 He allowed all the stuff that's happened, like all the stuff that the administration did about cooling freedom speech and all that stuff, they will go after podcasters.

02:38:00.000 They're going to go after people when the Democrats get back into office.

02:38:04.000 So it's only going to get worse, just so you know.

02:38:07.000 I can't wait.

02:38:08.000 Thank you guys.

02:38:10.000 Thank you guys for tuning in.

02:38:12.000 Unfortunately... The Discord's not working.

02:38:15.000 Serge is trying to wave his magic wand.

02:38:20.000 I'm not saying it was you.

02:38:22.000 I'm saying that you're trying to get it to work and the computer's not responding.

02:38:26.000 So tune in tomorrow.

02:38:28.000 Libby will be here doing the Daily Show.

02:38:30.000 Tim will have some clips.

02:38:31.000 And I don't know when you're going to hear from Tim in a lot.

02:38:35.000 I'm not sure what time you'll be doing anything.

02:38:38.000 I don't know if you'll get anything out, but you'll hear more about it tomorrow evening on IRL.

02:38:43.000 So tune in to that.

02:38:45.000 Thanks. Fuck yeah. 1.00

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 22, 2025

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