Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - National Guard On Standby For Election, Trump v Kamala w-Ben Shapiro & Jeremy Boreing | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Washington, D.C. is boarded up.

00:00:13.000 They say snipers are ready because they're expecting a lot of violence.

00:00:16.000 The National Guard is on standby in several states, and everybody's kind of on edge, but we don't know exactly what's going to happen.

00:00:22.000 What we do know is that the polls are insane.

00:00:24.000 The forecast models make no sense.

00:00:25.000 The betting markets are bouncing up and down, and we're kind of just waiting.

00:00:29.000 But I am surprised.

00:00:30.000 Well, not surprised, but it's a strange feeling having made it all the way to election eve, and it's just wide speculation.

00:00:39.000 We've got this poll from Ann Seltzer, who Nate Silver says is one of their highest rated pollsters, but she's claiming Iowa is going Paris.

00:00:46.000 At the same time, she's on camera saying, I don't know what D and R means in a poll, so I don't know how much I trust that.

00:00:52.000 But the polls are pretty wild.

00:00:53.000 And there is a lot of fear of violence.

00:00:57.000 There's already stories popping up about violence emerging.

00:00:59.000 So hopefully things don't go that crazy, but we'll talk about this.

00:01:02.000 And then there's some other really big stories, too, especially Joe Rogan just dropped an episode with Elon.

00:01:06.000 And he just dropped an episode with John Fetterman.

00:01:08.000 And Fetterman in this episode actually says Democrats are bringing illegal immigrants in undeniably to reshape the electorate undeniably.

00:01:16.000 but he says it's a good thing.

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00:02:06.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have two amazing guests.

00:02:09.000 We have Ben Shapiro on.

00:02:11.000 What's going on, dude?

00:02:12.000 Would you like to introduce yourself?

00:02:13.000 I am the co-founder of The Daily Wire, along with Jeremy Boring, who you will meet shortly.

00:02:17.000 He's a very handsome and charming individual.

00:02:19.000 And I'm also host of the Ben Shapiro Show, which some people listen to.

00:02:24.000 Absolutely.

00:02:24.000 And Jeremy Boring.

00:02:25.000 I am the aforementioned handsome individual, co-founder of The Daily Wire, alongside Ben Shapiro.

00:02:32.000 And I'm really the host of nothing.

00:02:35.000 But you're on a lot of things.

00:02:37.000 And you're a movie star too.

00:02:38.000 I'm on things.

00:02:38.000 I'll start in the odd movie.

00:02:39.000 There you go.

00:02:40.000 This is going to be a lot of fun.

00:02:41.000 It's exciting to be here.

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00:02:59.000 What's up?

00:03:00.000 My name's Alad.

00:03:01.000 I'm a journalist here at Timcast.

00:03:03.000 How's it going, Phil?

00:03:04.000 Doing well.

00:03:05.000 I am Phil Labonte.

00:03:06.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:03:09.000 I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

00:03:11.000 Hello, Mary.

00:03:12.000 So we're saving the woman in the room for last. 0.99

00:03:14.000 Well, you know, we're doing the right thing.

00:03:17.000 Grab your mic.

00:03:17.000 Hi, everyone.

00:03:18.000 Oh, I'm too far away from my mic.

00:03:19.000 You'll usually find me on a show called Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast, but I'm happy to be here.

00:03:25.000 I've never been invited on the show.

00:03:27.000 It's a big day.

00:03:28.000 And I like this swanky...

00:03:29.000 On Pop Culture Crisis?

00:03:30.000 No, never.

00:03:31.000 Mary's never invited me.

00:03:32.000 I will.

00:03:33.000 No?

00:03:34.000 I didn't know you wanted to.

00:03:35.000 I didn't know.

00:03:37.000 Well, there you go.

00:03:38.000 You got to send out the booking agent on top of these things.

00:03:41.000 Yeah.

00:03:41.000 Let's jump to this first story.

00:03:42.000 So, obviously, on the election eve, everybody's deeply concerned about what's going to happen, and, man, you know, I gotta be honest, I was asking, Phil, do we want to lead with this?

00:03:52.000 It's a little aggressive, but what are we supposed to say?

00:03:55.000 This is what everyone's worried about.

00:03:56.000 The stories from today, just from a few moments ago, published by The Telegraph, snipers ready for counts and D.C. boards up as election violence fears grow.

00:04:07.000 Major protests predicted amid concerns Donald Trump and supporters would refuse to accept the loss.

00:04:12.000 They're going to mention National Guard is on standby in Washington, Oregon, Nevada.

00:04:18.000 The National Guard has been placed on standby to deal with riots and civil unrest, which could begin as early as Wednesday.

00:04:24.000 I have questions.

00:04:25.000 Yeah.

00:04:26.000 My questions are, first of all, about the locations.

00:04:28.000 You'll notice that the places that they're citing, the places they're boarding up, not a lot of MAGA voters in those particular places, right?

00:04:35.000 Like the odd Jussie Smollett, you know, actual perp, I guess.

00:04:39.000 Like Washington, Oregon, Nevada, there are some Trump voters, obviously.

00:04:43.000 But Washington and Oregon, they're pretty much none, unless you're talking like Eastern Washington, maybe Southern Oregon.

00:04:48.000 Yeah.

00:04:48.000 And then if you're looking at the cities, they're talking about Detroit and Atlanta, which are both hotspots for Democratic voting.

00:04:53.000 So it seems like the headline doesn't match the actual story, which is that if Trump wins, a bunch of people are going to burn some shit down. 0.98

00:04:59.000 It literally says, major protests predicted amid concerns Trump and supporters would refuse to accept the loss. 0.98

00:05:04.000 By the way, the National Guard is in Democrat districts.

00:05:06.000 I saw your tweet earlier today, Ben, and I retweeted it, and I'm completely of the same mind.

00:05:10.000 It's...

00:05:11.000 It's ridiculous that they imply that it's MAGA voters or whatever when all of the rioting we've seen about almost everything has been from the left.

00:05:21.000 In 2016, there was a riot in Washington, D.C. when Donald Trump won.

00:05:25.000 On Inauguration Day, there was a big riot in Washington, D.C. And everyone sort of memory holds that one.

00:05:29.000 I mean, obviously they're not doing it right.

00:05:31.000 If you're going to board up your windows, we know you have to write BLM on the boards.

00:05:35.000 That is the way that you avoid your store being burned down.

00:05:38.000 That's how you're passed over when the angel of death comes down.

00:05:43.000 It's kind of scary, but it's real.

00:05:44.000 Especially, go to Oakland.

00:05:47.000 In Oakland, it's perpetually like this, or Berkeley.

00:05:50.000 All of the businesses, I saw it was an Asian fingernail salon with all of this leftist literature, and I'm like, look, those poor immigrants in there have no idea what that stuff is, but they know why they're putting it there. 1.00

00:06:01.000 Yeah.

00:06:01.000 That's kind of freaky.

00:06:02.000 Well, the city's our disaster area.

00:06:04.000 I was in LA a couple of weeks ago.

00:06:05.000 Honest to God, we went out with just some of our friends.

00:06:08.000 I used to live in LA, so we went out with some friends in LA. Not a bad area.

00:06:11.000 And we go to dinner.

00:06:13.000 And after dinner, I have 24-7 security, unfortunately, so I walk one way.

00:06:17.000 And my friends walk the other way.

00:06:18.000 They walk three cars down.

00:06:19.000 They get in their car.

00:06:20.000 As they're getting in their car, a car pulls up right in front of them.

00:06:23.000 Three guys jump out, grab him, pull him out of the car, rip off his watch, rip off his keys, rip off his phone, run around to her, try to rip off her jewelry, and then she starts fussing a little bit, she starts yelling, and so they jump back in the car and take off right down the street.

00:06:36.000 I mean, that's what's happened in the major city.

00:06:37.000 I grew up there.

00:06:37.000 This is not what these cities were like.

00:06:38.000 This was like two weeks ago.

00:06:39.000 Wow!

00:06:40.000 Jeez, dude.

00:06:41.000 So yeah, the cities are not doing well.

00:06:43.000 Democrat governance.

00:06:44.000 Always a winner.

00:06:45.000 Crime is down, they said, didn't they?

00:06:47.000 Yeah, they did.

00:06:48.000 And then it wasn't.

00:06:50.000 Did they fluff the numbers or just didn't release the numbers from the FBI? They released them late, yeah.

00:06:57.000 You know, I had a conversation with Sam Seder just this past weekend, or this Friday, and it was interesting because he pointed out that the economy looks good on paper.

00:07:07.000 But it's because wealthy people and big corporations are making a lot of money, but your average person is not.

00:07:11.000 And I was like, well, that's very honest from a very liberal guy.

00:07:14.000 And I agree.

00:07:15.000 The numbers look good because we're looking at these big corporations that seem to be doing well, but regular people are feeling the groceries through the roof.

00:07:22.000 Then you look at the crime stats and I think what they're missing when they say, oh, but relatively crime is down compared to, you know, however many years ago.

00:07:31.000 Yes, but what crime is up and what crime is down?

00:07:33.000 If overall, like, shoplifting goes up, that's going to affect the numbers.

00:07:37.000 I think that's one of the points he made.

00:07:38.000 Shoplifting is skyrocketing, so the crime rates do go up.

00:07:40.000 But if, like, small property crimes of, you know, vandalism may be on people's properties going down, but muggings and murders and things like that are going up, Also, a lot of that stuff is getting reclassified by the cops.

00:07:51.000 So the cops aren't actually policing a lot of the small crimes because they're afraid that if they get caught on camera policing it, maybe they go to jail.

00:07:56.000 I mean, I'm talking to a lot of these cops in these cities.

00:07:58.000 Again, I have a bunch of friends in LAPD, one in particular.

00:08:01.000 They're all looking to retire early and get the hell out and move away from Los Angeles.

00:08:06.000 I mean, these are some of the most understaffed major cities.

00:08:08.000 L.A. has the worst ratio of police to population of any major city in America, which is why it took 15 minutes for anybody to respond to the 911 phone call.

00:08:15.000 And then it was really funny.

00:08:16.000 The cops drove up and they're like, Which way did they go?

00:08:18.000 Like, that way.

00:08:19.000 15 minutes ago.

00:08:19.000 It's like, okay!

00:08:20.000 And he just takes off down the street.

00:08:22.000 So, although this is, I think, for this article from The Telegraph, I think it's a little bit narrowly focused on only violence potentially from Trump supporters.

00:08:29.000 But there's a grain and truth in that the election is most likely, you know, we're not going to get the results for a few days.

00:08:34.000 And whatever side loses will most definitely deny the results in either a highbrow or lowbrow way that could potentially lead to some sort of violence, either fringe violence in Seattle or, depending on how bad it could get, I don't know what we should expect, but I don't think these stories are wrong to prepare like this, especially given what we're hearing in the media and how close the election will be.

00:08:54.000 No, the rhetoric's been ratcheted up so far in the country.

00:08:58.000 And you could say on both sides, except that one side, at the worst you can say they have bad rhetoric, the other side actually acts on their rhetoric.

00:09:04.000 I mean, you've had...

00:09:05.000 Essentially, the President of the United States and the Vice President of the United States and the former President of the United States and the former but one President of the United States all saying that the Republican nominee is a clear and present danger, is a threat to democracy.

00:09:17.000 And to that point today, they're chastising George Bush for not coming out and saying that.

00:09:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:09:22.000 And so, you know, even after Donald Trump's, you know, there have been two attempted assassinations on the guy, they still...

00:09:29.000 Denounce all of his rhetoric while inflaming passions on their side.

00:09:34.000 In a way, you have both sides coming at this election thinking that their way of life will end if the other person ascends to the presidency.

00:09:41.000 That raises the stakes enormously and raises the chances of violence enormously.

00:09:45.000 I think you also have to look at the possible flashpoints here.

00:09:47.000 So when the right tends to riot, it's when there's a flashpoint, right?

00:09:51.000 Like January 6th of the riot, that's a riot with a flashpoint where people thought they were doing a thing.

00:09:55.000 When the left riots, it's just because they're pissed off about a thing and it's going to burn down a city and grab a computer or a TV or something.

00:10:01.000 That's a completely different kind of thing.

00:10:02.000 I do think the chance of escalation, I think, is higher from the right than the left, but there's caveats to that.

00:10:12.000 When the right does right, it's January 6th.

00:10:14.000 They almost never do, they barely protest, they don't go out, but then it's at the Capitol during the certification, which is the worst possible time for a right.

00:10:21.000 The left It's every summer we call it like, oh, it's summer.

00:10:25.000 The riots are starting again.

00:10:26.000 I want to push back just a little bit.

00:10:28.000 You know, I'm probably the most Trump skeptical of all of the occasional hosts.

00:10:32.000 I say occasional because I'm the occasionally host of all the hosts at the Daily Wire and have always been firmly of the opinion that January 6th is kind of a national tragedy.

00:10:43.000 And yet, it's not as though a million people went to Washington, D.C. to riot.

00:10:48.000 You know, the vast majority of the people who were at the Capitol were there to protest what they saw as the unfair results of the election, what they saw as the unfair set of rules that have been structured around the election, some of them to protest what they thought was the outright stealing of the election.

00:11:02.000 I happen to disagree with that, although the first two I certainly agree with.

00:11:07.000 And some small, very small fraction of those people actually engaged in some rioting.

00:11:12.000 And even that, while I don't think that it's, you know, I'm not so naive as to say, like, every conservative who got arrested was innocent.

00:11:18.000 I don't think that's true.

00:11:20.000 I do think that there are instigators who were not prosecuted at the Capitol who probably weren't even conservative.

00:11:25.000 But when people show up to say...

00:11:28.000 Burn down Minneapolis after the death of George Floyd.

00:11:33.000 People aren't just showing up to protest.

00:11:35.000 They're showing up to do violence.

00:11:37.000 They have websites telling them how to survive tear gas, how to attack cops who have riot shields.

00:11:45.000 They prepare for those consequences because they are there for the purpose of rioting.

00:11:50.000 And so while it is true that no one's perfect in this country, no one's perfect in this life, sometimes there's violence that comes from the American right...

00:11:58.000 There is a kind of institutionalized rioting and violence that's accepted on the left that you do not see accepted on the left.

00:12:06.000 Real quick, I'll revise a little bit, because I agree with what you're saying largely.

00:12:11.000 For the longest time, I've been making this point over the past 10 years that the right is not organized.

00:12:18.000 January 6th is not organized.

00:12:19.000 But whenever there's some kind of...

00:12:26.000 modicum of right-leaning politics it's it's the right doing it's the far right doing it right but what i what i what i would say is probably in the past four to six years this has shifted dramatically the protests that i saw in around the occupy era and even the 2000s when i was in these a lot of these protests i would afford it was blunt it's like a leftist punches a guy in And it happens all the time.

00:12:50.000 We have actually a story right now.

00:12:52.000 A guy had a flag in his yard. 0.69

00:12:53.000 The guy went to his house and beat the crap out of him.

00:12:55.000 But no one really cares that much to hear that a guy got beat up. 0.93

00:12:58.000 But it does happen a lot.

00:13:00.000 And so I feel like what the left typically engages in never really rises to that extreme level that makes the news.

00:13:07.000 But then again, I would say you're probably, I'd actually defer to you a little bit and say you're right, because in the past several years with the White House, with the firebombing of the White House on May 29th, 2020, they were throwing firebombs on the White House grounds at Fire to St.

00:13:19.000 John's Church, as well as John Hodgkinson, the baseball shooter.

00:13:22.000 We have actually seen a combination of the blunt and the escalation of the left.

00:13:26.000 So I could probably walk that back a little bit and just say, man, probably, I don't know.

00:13:30.000 But I guess the question I'd throw to you guys is, what do you think happens Wednesday morning.

00:13:35.000 So, I think Wednesday morning is a little bit early to tell, probably, is the truth.

00:13:39.000 I think you're probably going to start seeing stuff Thursday, maybe.

00:13:43.000 And basically, if you're rooting for the country, I think, obviously, I voted for Trump already, I voted early.

00:13:49.000 In my opinion, if you want what's best for the country and you're a Trump person, the order of preferred results is Trump by a lot, Trump by a little, Kamala by a lot, Kamala by a little, in terms of what's best for the country.

00:14:01.000 Because Kamala by a little is a disaster area.

00:14:04.000 Kamala by a little is a mess.

00:14:06.000 I've been painting this worst case scenario that I get prophecy points.

00:14:11.000 Here's your disaster scenario.

00:14:13.000 Your disaster scenario is Trump picks up North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.

00:14:16.000 It takes him to 268.

00:14:17.000 He then loses 270 to 268.

00:14:19.000 There is only one problem.

00:14:20.000 The 2020 census was wrong.

00:14:22.000 The Census Department has acknowledged the 2020 Census was wrong.

00:14:25.000 That's the key, is that they've admitted that it was wrong, and so the arguments are going to be, even they've admitted.

00:14:31.000 Correct.

00:14:31.000 And they dramatically over-counted the population in places like Florida and in places like Texas, and they dramatically over-counted in places like New York and Delaware, like five percentage points in some places.

00:14:43.000 The population in these places, electoral votes get allocated on the basis of the 2020 Census.

00:14:48.000 So if they actually done the count properly, Trump could lose all of the blue wall states and still win the election.

00:14:54.000 And so if it ends up being 270 to 268 with Trump winning the states that we just mentioned, Florida is going to file a lawsuit and will end up at the Supreme Court because they will say they have been materially harmed.

00:15:03.000 People have been disenfranchised in the state of Florida by the failure to properly count their vote because of the census data.

00:15:09.000 And then it'll be up to the Supreme Court with three Trump appointees to figure out whether that's true.

00:15:14.000 Now, my guess is that the court will probably kick that case.

00:15:16.000 My guess the court will say that's a political question.

00:15:18.000 We're not going to touch it.

00:15:19.000 You know, that should have been ironed out by the legislature.

00:15:22.000 But is that going to make anybody feel any better?

00:15:24.000 Probably not.

00:15:25.000 Hold on.

00:15:26.000 Hold on.

00:15:27.000 I want to add to that.

00:15:28.000 You saw the Fifth Circuit Court ruling for Mississippi.

00:15:32.000 I missed it.

00:15:32.000 Fifth Circuit Court ruled that ballots received after Election Day, even if postmarked before Election Day, are illegal to be counted.

00:15:40.000 Now, this is just the Fifth Circuit.

00:15:42.000 We saw in, I believe it was in Nevada, a totally counter ruling from the federal courts.

00:15:50.000 There's a probability that come tomorrow night, Donald Trump is clearly ahead, but not by enough.

00:15:56.000 And they say with mail-in votes coming in in several states, we may see a repeat of 2020 where Kamala actually ends up winning.

00:16:05.000 Kamala ends up winning.

00:16:06.000 Republicans sue, citing the Fifth Circuit ruling, goes to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says, of course you can't count ballots that came in after the election.

00:16:15.000 Cuts them all out.

00:16:17.000 Democrats then say, but we did win.

00:16:20.000 Those were ballots.

00:16:21.000 Trump's cronies just threw them out and stole the election.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:16:25.000 Which they've been kind of preparing the landscape with that by calling the Supreme Court, you know, Trump's right-wing core and all the things.

00:16:34.000 Did you see Jamie Raskin on MAR? So Jamie Raskin was on MAR, right?

00:16:37.000 And he openly said that we'll certify the election if we feel that it was free and fair.

00:16:41.000 Right.

00:16:42.000 Which, like, dude, I mean, come on.

00:16:43.000 If we feel that it was free and fair.

00:16:45.000 This is exactly what you were ripping Trump for in 2020, and now you're doing the exact same thing.

00:16:49.000 This is why, whenever you get the, like, Trump is a threat to democracy bullshit, it's like, okay, guys, like, you do all the exact same things that Donald Trump did and would do, and then you claim it's a threat to democracy when he does it, but when you do it, it's a defense of democracy, and, you know, this all spirals out of control.

00:17:03.000 I think that...

00:17:04.000 There are a bunch of things that have happened in American life that are truly bad over the course of the last 10 years, among them the fact that we have not unified any of our voting procedures.

00:17:11.000 I live in the amazing state of Florida, which fixed all of its voting after 2000.

00:17:15.000 So after 2000, with the debacle, with the butterfly ballots and all that, we fixed our voting, which means that we count all of our early voting early, right?

00:17:22.000 All that stuff's been tabulated.

00:17:23.000 And then everybody who votes day of, you feed your thing in the machine, it's counted all of it.

00:17:27.000 Five minutes after the poll is closed, you're going to have a result from Florida.

00:17:29.000 It's really easy.

00:17:30.000 It's not difficult at all.

00:17:31.000 And none of these other states have done it.

00:17:33.000 That is a complete mess.

00:17:34.000 And then you have just the fact that I think in the minds of both parties something is fundamentally broken.

00:17:40.000 So as long as I've been alive, the general rule was when somebody loses a presidential election, the going theory is the reason why they lost the presidential election is because they weren't good enough to win.

00:17:51.000 This is true for my entire life.

00:17:53.000 If H.W. loses to Clinton, it's because H.W. wasn't good enough.

00:17:55.000 If Dole loses to Clinton, it's because he wasn't good enough.

00:17:57.000 If Gore lost to Bush, because he wasn't good enough.

00:17:59.000 Kerry, same thing.

00:18:00.000 McCain with Obama, same thing.

00:18:01.000 Romney, same thing.

00:18:02.000 Then 2016.

00:18:03.000 And in 2016, the left could not believe, for love or money, that Donald Trump was a better candidate than Hillary.

00:18:09.000 And so they shifted the logic. 1.00

00:18:10.000 It was Hillary definitely couldn't have lost because she was a shit candidate. 1.00

00:18:13.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:18:30.000 Then where does all that energy go?

00:18:32.000 Back at the system.

00:18:33.000 Back at the system.

00:18:34.000 Now, listen, we're too lazy for Civil War, okay?

00:18:35.000 It ain't gonna happen.

00:18:36.000 We're too fat, we're too lazy. 1.00

00:18:38.000 You getting out of your bed and shooting somebody over this shit? 1.00

00:18:40.000 Like, there'll be a few people who do some violent things, but the continued breakdown of the social fabric is going to... 1.00

00:18:46.000 Yeah, you have to remember that in the...

00:18:48.000 Civil War of the 1860s.

00:18:50.000 The Ivy Leagues never missed a single crew match.

00:18:54.000 That's an actual true statement.

00:18:55.000 That's before standoff weaponry.

00:18:57.000 You're not going to have a civil war in the age of cruise missiles.

00:19:00.000 Because the elite in Connecticut don't get to sit that one out.

00:19:03.000 Absolutely.

00:19:04.000 Ben, I wanted to follow up with you on one of the...

00:19:06.000 Insurgency?

00:19:09.000 There could certainly be violence.

00:19:12.000 I wonder, right, so I think the next thing that happens is, let's say that Kamala Harris becomes president with all this craziness. 1.00

00:19:20.000 And then she nukes the filibuster. 0.96

00:19:23.000 Let's say for some reason she's able to gain control of the Senate also. 0.82

00:19:26.000 She nukes the filibuster. 0.90

00:19:27.000 She passes a law over the objections of pretty much everybody else.

00:19:30.000 Then the next step will be you'll see states say, come and enforce it.

00:19:34.000 You want to do it?

00:19:35.000 Come and enforce it.

00:19:36.000 We're not going to let you enforce it.

00:19:37.000 Nullification.

00:19:38.000 That's where the thing starts to break down again.

00:19:40.000 And you've seen nullification in certain circumstances from both left and right.

00:19:44.000 So you've seen nullification, for example, on marijuana laws in California for years and years and years.

00:19:48.000 The federal government was prosecuting them.

00:19:50.000 California said we don't want to do it.

00:19:51.000 And so California would basically just try and stymie.

00:19:53.000 Or on immigration law, right?

00:19:54.000 The left does it all the time.

00:19:55.000 California would stymie immigration law.

00:19:56.000 law.

00:19:56.000 And then you would see it the reverse way on the border with Arizona.

00:19:59.000 Arizona would say, you're not going to enforce the immigration laws, we'll enforce the immigration laws.

00:20:02.000 And the federal government would step in.

00:20:04.000 These kind of conflicts are actually super common across American history.

00:20:06.000 Those are just going to get much worse.

00:20:07.000 So let me ask, do you think that there's a few scenarios to look at.

00:20:11.000 Donald Trump wins and then immediately says, we are going to deport these illegal immigrants.

00:20:18.000 If he sends law enforcement in any capacity from the lightest federal law enforcement to the outright army, do you think there's any scenario where California resists federal authorities?

00:20:30.000 I think very, very unlikely.

00:20:32.000 Really unlikely.

00:20:33.000 Because, again, I think that that gets too hot too quickly.

00:20:36.000 I don't think Gavin Newsom honestly wants to go up against actual armed federal troops.

00:20:41.000 But does it require Gavin Newsom?

00:20:43.000 What if far-leftist Antifa set up a Chaz chop? 0.98

00:20:47.000 I mean, we saw in Seattle, when they set up the Chaz, they killed people. 1.00

00:20:51.000 And so, I agree.

00:20:53.000 I'm not trying to...

00:20:54.000 I agree with that.

00:20:54.000 You could see something like that.

00:20:55.000 You could see zones of resistance that pop up in places like California.

00:20:58.000 Sure.

00:20:58.000 So the first thing I'll say is, you know, I certainly talk about civil war probably more than most, but we don't talk about as much as the memes try to make it out to be.

00:21:05.000 But the media, I think right now, is probably like 15 to 30 articles about civil war that are currently up because of the potential for violence.

00:21:12.000 And so the question then is...

00:21:15.000 I'll put it this way.

00:21:16.000 I do not believe in the near future or in the immediate we're looking at any kind of civil war potential.

00:21:20.000 It could theoretically be decades if something does happen.

00:21:23.000 We are, according to many academics, in a civil strife period, which could also be like Bleeding Kansas, or a better example would be the civil rights era, which did not result in civil war.

00:21:33.000 However, the things that worry me the most are the left's propensity to violence, like Chaz Chop.

00:21:38.000 There was an autonomous zone in Seattle, Atlanta, Minnesota.

00:21:41.000 Portland.

00:21:42.000 Portland, right.

00:21:43.000 And they killed people.

00:21:44.000 So, in the event that, and I'll throw it to Sam Seder again.

00:21:48.000 He gets a lot of shout-outs because we just talked.

00:21:49.000 He told me that basically he thinks these outlets are writing articles about civil war because it's sensational, it's clicks, it's going to make traffic, and they're going to make money from it.

00:21:59.000 And then I asked him, so you don't think there's any potentiality, even if it's slim?

00:22:02.000 He's like, no, of course not.

00:22:03.000 I say, okay, Donald Trump gets elected.

00:22:05.000 Let's say Kamala Harris wins through mail-in voting, but the Supreme Court says, citing the Fifth Circuit, mail-in votes are thrown out. 0.93

00:22:15.000 Therefore, Trump is actually the winner.

00:22:17.000 Democrats, what do they do?

00:22:18.000 Sam's response, well, in 2000, look, Democrats gave up.

00:22:21.000 They let George W. Bush be the president.

00:22:22.000 I say, agreed.

00:22:23.000 Now, Donald Trump then says, we will enforce immigration law and begin the deportation of 11 million people or more.

00:22:30.000 Do Democrats or activists respond?

00:22:34.000 Now, crank it up.

00:22:35.000 Do you think Donald Trump would actually use the military to go and start deporting people?

00:22:39.000 Of course, the Democrats say yes.

00:22:40.000 I said, so tell me, you believe there's a scenario where Trump will call in the military to round up illegal immigrants after stealing an election, and you don't think that there will be a reaction from the left with violence or an escalation to war?

00:22:51.000 And he hemmed and hawed and ultimately said, I just don't think it's very likely, but kind of conceded.

00:22:57.000 I'll put it this way.

00:22:58.000 I certainly think it's slim, but Rudyard Lynch of What If Alt-Hist says that based on looking at the history of the Bolsheviks, the French Revolution, the British Civil War, and the American Civil War, though they're all different, and we're not necessarily going to follow a state versus state kind of thing, he's predicting 1,000 dead by April, which I think is way over the top, but he has a bet.

00:23:18.000 $1,000 if 1,000 people are dead by April.

00:23:20.000 I think that's crazy.

00:23:22.000 But what he said was, stop thinking about it like armed groups going up against each other and more just like we end up seeing what happened with Errol Danielson in Portland or Chaz where people shot somebody else and there's going to be a political underlining to it.

00:23:34.000 So that's why I say maybe insurgency.

00:23:36.000 Hopefully nothing.

00:23:38.000 I think you're completely right, Ben.

00:23:39.000 I'm hoping that Trump wins massively to the point where it sends a message nationally that we're done with what the left has to offer and the American people don't want it.

00:23:50.000 That's exactly right.

00:23:51.000 I will say, I do not like it when I think politicians and political leaders, the more they talk about this idea that there will be civil war, I think it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:23:59.000 People start to take it very seriously.

00:24:01.000 They think, okay, who could I... But I agree with you that there are activist groups that are geared toward resisting lawful authority.

00:24:07.000 And those do exist on both sides of the aisle.

00:24:09.000 But I think it is very likely that in this scenario like you're painting, there would be resistance by some groups to lawful authority...

00:24:18.000 This is also what I've been telling our team here at The Daily Wire, which is you have to prepare yourself for Election Day.

00:24:26.000 And I don't think Election Day is...

00:24:27.000 I wish it were Election Day.

00:24:28.000 It's really everything that's going to happen as a result of and a continuation of tomorrow.

00:24:33.000 We probably won't even have a winner tomorrow.

00:24:36.000 We may have a winner Wednesday.

00:24:37.000 We may not have a winner until Saturday.

00:24:39.000 It may then get contested to the courts.

00:24:41.000 You may not know.

00:24:42.000 It may be like the year 2000.

00:24:43.000 We didn't have a winner until the Supreme Court ruled.

00:24:45.000 So it could be the end of the year before we even know who the next president is going to be.

00:24:49.000 All of that is very bad in a system where both sides believe that the other side has become an existential threat to the country.

00:24:55.000 But so we have to prepare ourselves in the business that we're in, in the business that you're in.

00:25:00.000 We have to prepare ourselves, yes, mentally and yes, emotionally.

00:25:03.000 But we actually have to prepare ourselves almost spiritually for the temptations that are going to accompany the next several days and weeks.

00:25:11.000 The temptation to assert as fact things that have not been proven factually.

00:25:16.000 The temptation to give in to emotional rhetoric instead of using our voices to try to cut through, try to determine what's true, and try to advocate on behalf of what's true.

00:25:29.000 And there's going to be so much rigged against us.

00:25:31.000 It's structurally the case that most states count the election day ballots before they count the mail-in ballots in the early voting.

00:25:39.000 And historically, Democrats do more mail-in, even when there's not any impropriety.

00:25:44.000 Democrats are more likely to have voted by early, historically, or to have voted by mail-in.

00:25:49.000 So it is just a fact that at the earliest part of the night, Trump will probably have a lead, and then that lead will start to shrink throughout the day.

00:25:57.000 Well, we're so prepped by our experiences, by our emotions, by talk of civil war constantly in the media.

00:26:02.000 It's not just for clicks.

00:26:03.000 It's also a psy-op.

00:26:05.000 It's meant to prepare people to have certain kinds of reactions.

00:26:09.000 And so, I guess all I'm saying is there's going to be an enormous amount of temptation to give in to all of this instead of trying to ascertain what is fact, trying to stand on behalf of what is fact, and trying to fight our political battles in a In a passionate but responsible way, which I think is the only way forward as a country.

00:26:28.000 And I will add one last point to a lot who's been desperately trying to get in.

00:26:32.000 I've been warning, the last thing anyone should want is a national divorce or a civil war, because there are a lot of people I hear on the right posting comments on X saying, the tree of liberty or whatever.

00:26:42.000 And then I see more reasonable people saying, but a national divorce.

00:26:45.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:26:46.000 That is a path to destroying the Constitution.

00:26:47.000 I do not accept that.

00:26:49.000 If we have any kind of national divorce, that basically is giving the far left the opportunity to dismantle the Constitution.

00:26:55.000 I mean, when people say that, it's just spinning their wheels, their impotent screechings on the Internet.

00:27:02.000 It doesn't actually mean anything.

00:27:04.000 A national divorce is China and Russia's wet dream, so we should reject that in every form. 0.97

00:27:08.000 But one of the things that could obviously contribute to civil strife is something that Ben Shapiro mentioned, and it's the so-called nightmare scenario.

00:27:15.000 And there's many flavors of reasons to not accept election results.

00:27:19.000 People talk about 1,000 mules.

00:27:21.000 People will mention mail-in ballots.

00:27:22.000 This isn't unique to the right.

00:27:24.000 On the left, there's people saying there's...

00:27:27.000 Voter suppression.

00:27:28.000 Voter suppression and things like that.

00:27:29.000 But on your nightmare scenario, do you think that would be grounds to not accept the results of the election if your scenario plays out the way it does?

00:27:37.000 So I think that the systems are the systems.

00:27:40.000 And either you accept the systems or you don't accept the systems.

00:27:42.000 Meaning, if it goes through all of the steps and the end result of that machine...

00:27:46.000 And here I'm not talking about the Democratic machine.

00:27:48.000 I'm talking about, you know, we go through the state certification of the votes.

00:27:50.000 Those happen.

00:27:51.000 It's not electoral fraud.

00:27:52.000 It goes to the Supreme Court.

00:27:53.000 The Supreme Court says, listen...

00:27:54.000 It sucks that the census was done wrong in 2020.

00:27:56.000 Also, Wilbur Ross was the Commerce Secretary at the time under Donald Trump.

00:27:59.000 They should have fixed that in 2020.

00:28:00.000 Should have fixed it in 2021.

00:28:02.000 That was up to Congress.

00:28:03.000 This really isn't our business.

00:28:04.000 And they kick it back.

00:28:05.000 At that point, the president's the president.

00:28:07.000 And at that point, then it becomes a question of what governance of the country looks like.

00:28:12.000 And this is the thing.

00:28:13.000 I think Americans are just aching for normal.

00:28:15.000 They're aching for normal.

00:28:16.000 And everyone, I think, on the left, and many people in the middle, thought they got it in 2020 when Biden was elected.

00:28:22.000 He came in and he was in the high 50s in approval rating.

00:28:24.000 And then it turns out that he wasn't providing any sort of normal, right?

00:28:28.000 Not only just in his own personage where the brain wasn't functional or anything, but like his actual policy was not normal.

00:28:32.000 He proceeded to spend ungodly sums of money, blow up the economy to the tune of 40-year highs in inflation.

00:28:37.000 He proceeded to pull out from Afghanistan, even if you agree with pulling out in the most ignominious, cowardly way it was possible to do it.

00:28:43.000 He then proceeded to lead us into a conflict over Ukraine because of his innate cowardice in Afghanistan.

00:28:50.000 He proceeded to incentivize Iran to lead a seven-front war against Israel in order to blow up Donald Trump's Abraham Accords. 0.73

00:28:57.000 And, like, all of that has been not normal.

00:29:00.000 All the terrible rhetoric as well.

00:29:01.000 The wide-open border.

00:29:02.000 All of it is not normal.

00:29:03.000 And so, because of that, Americans are still aching for normal.

00:29:06.000 And so, what do they get?

00:29:08.000 They get Donald Trump, who presented a normal presidency from 2017 to 2019, before the pandemic.

00:29:13.000 Things were pretty normal.

00:29:14.000 Trump wasn't normal.

00:29:15.000 Trump's not normal, dude.

00:29:16.000 Trump's Trump, right?

00:29:17.000 He's always going to be Trump.

00:29:18.000 It was Congress that was passing the laws, and he was signing the laws that Mitch McConnell sent to him.

00:29:23.000 Right, and we had a good economy, and we had peace on the foreign front, no wars, and we all liked that.

00:29:26.000 That was all good stuff.

00:29:27.000 That was all normal stuff.

00:29:28.000 And so the choice presented to us was Donald Trump, an admittedly not normal human, and a very, very normal administration, or...

00:29:35.000 Kamala Harris, who pretends to be normal, is sort of in the uncanny valley of normalcy, but not really like a human would be normal, and a bunch of policy that is exactly the same as Joe Biden's, which was abnormal. 0.73

00:29:46.000 And so Americans look at that choice and are like, oh my god.

00:29:49.000 So if Trump is elected, which obviously I hope that he will be, if Donald Trump is elected, what people actually want is just things to calm down.

00:29:56.000 That's what most people want.

00:29:57.000 If you go out, I mean, I've been spending an enormous amount of time in this election cycle actually going to the swing states, right?

00:30:01.000 I went and I was on the trail with Eric Hovde in Wisconsin, I was on the trail with Bernie Moreno in Ohio, and I was on the trail with Dave McCormick in Pennsylvania.

00:30:07.000 Last night I was on the trail with Ted Cruz in Texas.

00:30:09.000 I'm going around the country.

00:30:10.000 What people actually just want Is leave us, like, just leave us alone. 1.00

00:30:15.000 I don't want to think about this shit. 0.99

00:30:16.000 Like, can I just have a normal life? 1.00

00:30:17.000 All I want is, you know, inflation to not be at 20%.

00:30:20.000 And a job.

00:30:21.000 And like, I can take care of my family.

00:30:23.000 And not a giant war somewhere that we are involved in.

00:30:25.000 Like, that would be awesome.

00:30:26.000 And whoever presents that, if Donald Trump presents that, if he comes into office and that's what he presents, I'm going to close the border, get us back to normal.

00:30:32.000 I think that you could be entering a period of actual stability in the United States for the first time in a decade, because I think that the left could theoretically respond by saying, you know what, guys, we went way too far, and the only way to beat Donald Trump and to beat the Republican Party is to move back toward the center.

00:30:46.000 And the dirty secret about Donald Trump is that Donald Trump is running as a centrist right now.

00:30:49.000 He is not running as a right-winger.

00:30:50.000 On policy, Donald Trump, aside from the border where he's a very right-wing guy, he's much more moderate than any Republican candidate in my lifetime, including on really, really divisive issues like abortion.

00:30:59.000 Do you think that the Democrats will isolate their more extreme wing and have your normal Democrats come back to being normal as opposed to taking their lead from the extreme Democrats or the socialists in the party?

00:31:11.000 So the one thing that I will say about the Democratic Party is they are professionals.

00:31:14.000 They are, in fact, professionals.

00:31:15.000 So the Republican Party, totally unprofessional.

00:31:17.000 The Republican Party can get hijacked any which way by whomever.

00:31:19.000 Right.

00:31:19.000 I mean, there's no infrastructure or nothing.

00:31:21.000 The Democratic Party is so professional that if their candidate dies on stage in a debate, they will take him, just throw him out the back door and just shove somebody else in.

00:31:29.000 That's what a professional party does. 0.89

00:31:30.000 That's not a coup.

00:31:30.000 That's a professional party doing what a professional party does.

00:31:33.000 So if they believe that their pathway to victory is jettisoning the AOC agenda, I do think I mean, by the way, they did that in 2020. 0.99

00:31:41.000 Bernie Sanders was leading the first couple primaries, and they kicked his ass out. 0.94

00:31:43.000 And they were like, we'll get James Glyburn to testify for him. 0.98

00:31:46.000 We'll get a bunch of people to drop out. 0.64

00:31:47.000 They'll all endorse Joe Biden, who has no brains functional, and they'll just shove him in.

00:31:52.000 Kamala Harris and the Democrats are underwater on a ton of different issues, but one of the particular issues that they're above water with is abortion. 0.83

00:31:59.000 I feel like a lot of people are drawn to the Democrats as a result of that issue.

00:32:02.000 We've got Seamus jumping in for the next few moments.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, I'm going to be setting in for Ben.

00:32:07.000 I told him you've got to leave.

00:32:08.000 It's Shimcast time. 0.61

00:32:10.000 Seamus took over.

00:32:11.000 I want to jump to the story.

00:32:13.000 Sort of story.

00:32:14.000 This is Polly Markets.

00:32:14.000 Travesty.

00:32:16.000 Now, we've all been tracking polymarket.

00:32:18.000 For some reason, people have decided this matters.

00:32:20.000 The betting odds matter, I do agree, but this one matters more than the rest.

00:32:23.000 And right now, we can see $3.18 billion wagered on the presidential election.

00:32:30.000 Well, the news is that Robinhood is also allowing what's called events contracts, where you can buy contracts for either Kamala or Trump to win.

00:32:39.000 Here's where it gets weird.

00:32:41.000 They've got this read-the-rules disclaimer up top on Polymarket that says, Which is a separate and much,

00:33:11.000 much lesser known betting market called who will be inaugurated as president.

00:33:16.000 Now, what I find fascinating with this and worrisome is it's not just Polymarket, but Robinhood says they resolve the winner of their contract based on who is inaugurated, not who wins based on what the election is.

00:33:29.000 Now, why would Polymarket add a disclaimer up top, making sure you understand this?

00:33:35.000 Not that I'm saying there's a secret cabal who's planning Trump to not get inaugurated.

00:33:39.000 No, I'm saying Jamie Raskin stated February of this year, Democrats would not certify the election.

00:33:45.000 Trump is disqualified under the 14th Amendment.

00:33:47.000 The betting markets are aware of this, and there's likely going to be a lot of complaints from people if the news calls the race for Donald Trump and then the Democrats win the House and refuse to certify.

00:33:59.000 I'm curious if you guys think that's possible or what your thoughts are.

00:34:04.000 I'm so cynical about polymarket generally, because I feel like if the market cap is only $3 million, Jeremy Boring could throw around a couple of million.

00:34:10.000 $3 billion.

00:34:12.000 Oh, $3 billion.

00:34:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:13.000 Never mind.

00:34:13.000 Jeremy Boring cannot move the needle with his money.

00:34:16.000 Never mind.

00:34:18.000 But I just feel like this is...

00:34:19.000 I don't understand how the market cap on this specific polymarket poll works, but I feel like this is open to be influenced.

00:34:26.000 I feel like the lawyers are trying to cover their basis with that.

00:34:28.000 That's like their lawyers saying, hey, yeah, just make this little in case somebody calls it wrong and somebody else is in order.

00:34:33.000 I agree, but I would just say that suggests we are in a period, which we all know, where whoever wins on election night is not the winner.

00:34:42.000 Yeah, well listen, there's a...

00:34:44.000 There's a little secret that the left doesn't want you to know about Donald Trump, and that's that Donald Trump almost never acts in accordance with the worst aspects of his rhetoric.

00:34:54.000 He didn't lock her up, right?

00:34:57.000 He's not going to court-martial the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:35:02.000 Donald Trump mouths off.

00:35:04.000 He uses hyperbole.

00:35:05.000 He's a little bit of an insult comic.

00:35:07.000 He has a negotiating style wherein he makes enormous threats.

00:35:11.000 All of that is sort of baked into Donald Trump.

00:35:13.000 Which he laid out in his book.

00:35:14.000 Didn't he?

00:35:14.000 He laid out in his book.

00:35:15.000 Big ask.

00:35:16.000 And he was president for four years, so we actually know how his behavior does and doesn't reflect his rhetoric.

00:35:21.000 What they won't tell you is that the left always works in accordance with the worst aspects of their rhetoric.

00:35:27.000 So when Kamala Harris says, we're going to get rid of the filibuster and add justices to the Supreme Court, that's because what she is going to do if she is president is try to get rid of the filibuster and try to add justices to the Supreme Court. 1.00

00:35:38.000 When the left says, oh, they're going to not certify the results, you know, there was a move in the House not to certify the results in 2020.

00:35:47.000 And Donald Trump's own, theretofore incredibly loyal vice president, almost occasionally obsequiously loyal, theretofore vice president Mike Pence, refused to go along with it.

00:36:01.000 You will not see that on the left.

00:36:02.000 What will happen on the left is they simply won't certify if the exact set of circumstances you outline comes about.

00:36:09.000 They will throw us into civil unrest because I tweeted about this today, because when the left says horrible things, those things are actually acceptable in polite society.

00:36:20.000 And when Donald Trump says horrible things, those things are not welcome in polite society.

00:36:24.000 So we have to engage in sort of this outrage culture around what Donald Trump says, never mind what he's going to do.

00:36:30.000 And we have to pretend that the left actually saying and actually doing abhorrent things isn't outrageous.

00:36:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:35.000 Well, I just want to say I would generally agree with that.

00:36:37.000 The only thing that I would add is the left actually ends up doing things worse than they say that they're going to do.

00:36:42.000 And to build on top of that, with Donald Trump, it's not even the case that he gets chastised for saying the kinds of things that we would be upset with the left for saying.

00:36:49.000 He can say anything.

00:36:50.000 And they'll take it and they'll try to spin it into something completely different.

00:36:53.000 So, for example, this allegation that's being made by the press that he said about Liz Cheney, a thing that I don't actually think I could repeat on this show, when he actually didn't say that.

00:37:01.000 He was making the same argument we've heard made since the 1960s about how senators should send their children to fight in the wars that they're able to get out of and send everyone else's kids into.

00:37:09.000 But I think you're generally right about this.

00:37:11.000 And part of the reason is because The nature of the left is revolutionary.

00:37:17.000 Once you push the boulder down the hill, it doesn't stop.

00:37:20.000 And this is the way that I see it.

00:37:21.000 It's like, you've got this giant boulder atop an incredibly steep hill, and at the bottom of the hill is a house that your family is living in.

00:37:27.000 And at the top of the hill, you have three people.

00:37:29.000 You have the conservative, you have the liberal, and you have the leftist.

00:37:31.000 And the liberal and leftist are pushing at the boulder.

00:37:34.000 And then the conservative says, hey, hold on, maybe don't do that.

00:37:37.000 And the liberal says, don't worry, I only want the boulder to go halfway down the hill.

00:37:40.000 It's like, Yes, I understand that you think in some bizarre reality the boulder could stop halfway, but that's not how the revolution works.

00:37:46.000 And then what happens is they jump out of the left, and they start complaining that the revolution didn't stop where they were comfortable with it.

00:37:50.000 But the reality is it is going to keep moving until we stop them.

00:37:53.000 I want to give you another example, too, about if Trump says it's wrong, and it's my favorite.

00:37:58.000 Breaking news, in the past week, Lancaster County, in our, I believe, county, right, in PA, found thousands of potentially fraudulent voter registrations.

00:38:08.000 Donald Trump read the news from a local outlet and then posted, wow!

00:38:12.000 Shocking!

00:38:13.000 Thousands of potentially fraudulent ballots were found in Pennsylvania.

00:38:17.000 The media then ran stories across the board.

00:38:20.000 Donald Trump stokes fear of voter fraud in every single possible form they could accuse Trump.

00:38:26.000 And then it turns out, actually, hundreds of the registrations were actually fraudulent.

00:38:31.000 Trump read the news, said, hey guys, look what I read, and they said, Trump, how dare you say that?

00:38:35.000 They do this all the time.

00:38:37.000 Trump is a guy who's sitting on his couch watching Fox or whatever, reading articles on Twitter, tweeting about it, and then they claim he's wrong, lying, or stoking fears for reporting what they already reported.

00:38:48.000 Jeremy, I wanted to follow up with something you said about how Mike...

00:38:51.000 I feel like we need to add a caveat with Mike Pence, because I feel like after the fact, for being principled, he was actually treated very poorly by the Republican Party and is probably one of the least popular or most loathed Republican politician that I could even think of right now.

00:39:05.000 So, I mean, he's dealt with the consequences of that.

00:39:08.000 Well, yeah, absolutely.

00:39:09.000 I happen to think that Mike Pence did the right thing in 2020, which is not a very popular opinion today.

00:39:16.000 On the right, but I think that he rightly ascertained that he didn't have the authority under the circumstances to do what he was being expected to do.

00:39:23.000 Listen, the bottom line is, there is cheating.

00:39:28.000 The cheating happens in every contest.

00:39:32.000 The question is, is there enough cheating by one side or the other to actually materially impact the results?

00:39:38.000 And one problem that we have in this country is that the left goes out of their way to obscure visibility into things like our election, into things like their motives behind their immigration policies.

00:39:54.000 And so you wind up in a situation which is detrimental to any sort of democratic institution, which is at least half of everyone doesn't trust the process.

00:40:02.000 And in that situation, the difference between actually cheating or only being perceived to cheat, I don't know that there is a meaningful difference between those two things.

00:40:13.000 When a society, a nation has to be based on essentially a kind of trust structure.

00:40:17.000 To follow up on that, though, Donald Trump is pissed off that Mike Pence did end up certifying the election.

00:40:24.000 And I feel like now he actually found somebody loyal enough to have certified the election if asked to do so.

00:40:29.000 So in a recent New York Times interview, J.D. Vance said if he was VP, he wouldn't have voted to certify the election based off of whatever flavor of election denialism.

00:40:37.000 I think it was the Hunter Laptop story that he references.

00:40:40.000 So what do you think about now J.D. Vance, Trump's VP pick, saying he would have voted against certifying the election?

00:40:45.000 Yeah, well, I don't think that...

00:40:48.000 In politics, people say a lot of things.

00:40:50.000 I don't know what J.D. Vance would or wouldn't have done if he found himself in that exact same situation.

00:40:54.000 Listen, one of my only friends in the federal government, Ted Cruz, was a part of leading the effort not to certify the election on the Senate floor.

00:41:02.000 I disagreed with Senator Cruz in that regard, and we've discussed that.

00:41:07.000 Privately, so I'm not telling tales out of school, there was a plausible argument, even a historically based argument on taking the path that they took.

00:41:15.000 I happen to agree with Mike Pence's position.

00:41:18.000 I don't think, though, that it's fair to J.D. Vance, who has really been in the national spotlight really only for a matter of months.

00:41:27.000 I mean, being a first-term senator, being a first-term senator is not major national spotlight.

00:41:32.000 And being the guy who wrote a very popular book is nothing like the kind of scrutiny that comes on someone when they are thrust into the position that J.D. Vance has been thrust into.

00:41:43.000 In many ways, we don't know J.D. Vance as a political character yet in some very substantive ways.

00:41:51.000 I happen to think that J.D. may be one of the smartest people not only in the government but maybe ever to be in the government.

00:41:56.000 I think that he's an incredibly capable person, an incredibly thoughtful person, an incredibly articulate person.

00:42:02.000 What he will be, what he would do, I don't know.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, I think you're at least right that politicians love to say a lot of things because, I mean, I think J.D. Vance has been in the public spotlight.

00:42:13.000 He was a never-Trumper not too long ago. 1.00

00:42:15.000 So if he could have gone from a never-Trumper to his VP now, I guess his words on potentially certifying the election isn't the easiest thing.

00:42:24.000 I want to talk about that.

00:42:25.000 Doesn't that say something good about Donald Trump?

00:42:27.000 You know, I often say that Donald Trump is a uniquely flawed individual.

00:42:30.000 And I don't mean in the way that, like, all of sin and fall short of the glory of God.

00:42:34.000 Like, we're all flawed.

00:42:34.000 Yes, of course we're all flawed.

00:42:35.000 But I mean that I think that Donald Trump's particular set of flaws should have been disqualifying.

00:42:40.000 I think his handling of COVID-19 should have been disqualifying.

00:42:43.000 Now, it wasn't disqualifying, because as it turns out...

00:42:46.000 The entity that determines your qualification is the primary voter.

00:42:49.000 And the primary voter selected Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee.

00:42:52.000 He therefore is qualified to be the Republican nominee.

00:42:54.000 I therefore very much hope that he wins the election tomorrow and voted for him and have publicly supported him, even though not only is he not my choice, but again, I think he's sort of uniquely flawed.

00:43:04.000 But he's also he does have unique virtues.

00:43:07.000 Do I think that they outmatch his unique flaws?

00:43:11.000 Possibly not, but he does have them, and no one ever talks about them.

00:43:14.000 And one of his truly unique virtues is his ability to work with people who have done him wrong, people who have said bad things about him.

00:43:23.000 You know, Tucker Carlson called him demonic, and now Tucker advises the campaign.

00:43:28.000 To your point, J.D. Vance was not only a never-Trumper, but a far more outspoken never-Trumper in 2016, even than, say, Ben or I were in 2016.

00:43:35.000 Now he's his vice presidential nominee.

00:43:38.000 Donald Trump sort of uniquely doesn't hold political grudges.

00:43:42.000 And that really does matter in a divided nation because it gives hope that if Donald Trump, as I hope, ascends to the presidency again tomorrow, then he'll become the president in this divided nation who's actually willing to work with people who've done horrible.

00:43:55.000 I mean, what the left has done, what they've said about Donald Trump and actually done to Donald Trump are horrible.

00:44:01.000 But I think that Donald Trump actually is the unique kind of man who can put that aside, especially for a man who's been powerful, wealthy and famous his entire life, essentially, that he's willing to have to subordinate his ego that way.

00:44:13.000 I think John McCain, great patriot.

00:44:15.000 I think if John McCain had won in 2008, many of our national disasters that have happened since then wouldn't have happened.

00:44:24.000 And yet...

00:44:26.000 When John McCain walked on the Senate floor to cast the deciding vote for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, after running for re-election on the promise that he would overturn it, he was faced with the opportunity to either be a man of his word, a man of principle, a man of values, or to make sure that Donald a man of principle, a man of values, or to make sure that Donald Trump And John McCain chose his grudge over the national interest.

00:44:50.000 Listen, he had every right to hate Donald Trump.

00:44:53.000 The things Donald Trump said about John McCain were absolutely abhorrent.

00:44:56.000 And yet, I still demand of my politicians that they be willing to subordinate that to the national interest.

00:45:03.000 John McCain wasn't able to do that.

00:45:05.000 Isn't it interesting that Donald Trump, who we're all sort of aware of his flaws, has this very unique virtue, gets almost no credit for it, and that actual virtue in question could be the virtue that allows him to be a restorative figure if he ascends to a second term.

00:45:21.000 I think you're speaking to an important Christian theme on the right that is redemption, that is found so often.

00:45:27.000 And I'm Jewish, so maybe one of you guys could tell me more about it.

00:45:30.000 But I think that's what you're really speaking to, with how Trump's willing to overlook these things.

00:45:34.000 And we're really willing to bring a lot of people into the Republican Party who might have been Democrats or against the right in the past.

00:45:40.000 Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Trump has a very long list of them. 0.98

00:45:43.000 That could be foolish, though. 0.98

00:45:45.000 I do think it is so. 0.85

00:45:46.000 It appears that Trump doesn't hold a personal grudge about maybe J.D. Vance's personal attitudes towards him as a human being.

00:45:54.000 But he could make the mistake of hiring the same exact people who sabotaged him in his administration just because he doesn't hold a political grudge.

00:46:05.000 He's open to redemption.

00:46:07.000 The people who sabotaged him trying to build the wall, for instance.

00:46:12.000 If you can't beat him, join him, I guess, has been the theme in the Republican Party.

00:46:15.000 I'll give a little pushback in that...

00:46:18.000 Where was he?

00:46:19.000 Well, on Joe Rogan, he was very critical of a handful of people.

00:46:22.000 He was very critical of Bolton. 1.00

00:46:23.000 And he called some of these people very stupid, stupid people. 1.00

00:46:27.000 Wait, he said more than that, Tim, though. 1.00

00:46:28.000 He said, I liked having John Bolton around because when I went to Putin and he saw me coming through with John Bolton, that he knew, hey, I might actually push the button.

00:46:36.000 So I think he's really speaking to the youth.

00:46:38.000 That's my spin on that.

00:46:40.000 That's my spin on that.

00:46:41.000 No, I mean, it's good to have him like, hey, look at this crazy guy I have.

00:46:45.000 Sure, sure.

00:46:46.000 But Trump still disparaged them, is my point.

00:46:48.000 Not whether Trump was happy or sad, but, you know, Trump ragged on some of these people. 1.00

00:46:52.000 Useful idiot. 0.99

00:46:53.000 Well, but again, Donald Trump's rhetoric doesn't always match Donald Trump's actions. 1.00

00:46:57.000 And usually, I think, in a very positive direction.

00:47:00.000 Trump's bark is worse than his bite.

00:47:01.000 And I happen to actually think that's a good thing.

00:47:04.000 That's not a criticism of him.

00:47:06.000 One thing I'll say, well, I just want to mention this here, this idea that Republicans are now welcoming people who have traditionally been our enemies.

00:47:12.000 Elad, there have been a number of ways the Republican Party has changed over the past couple years that I would agree with and you would disagree with most likely, I think particularly on foreign policy, probably certain economic issues.

00:47:21.000 And the flip side, probably abortion. 0.98

00:47:23.000 Yeah, well, it's true.

00:47:24.000 And I will also say there are certain areas where the Republican Party has changed and become a little bit more moderate that I'm not entirely sure where you stand on, but I would imagine you'd be friendlier, too, than I am.

00:47:33.000 And what my position basically is for the Republican Party and how they should conduct themselves in light of how insane the left has been.

00:47:39.000 is to not court moderates by becoming moderates but to just point to what the left is actually doing and say yes we are on the right yes you don't agree with us we're not going to change our platform but it is a lot better than theirs because the right does not need to change its positions as much as it thinks to one thing you and i have argued about a lot has been abortion and has been the republican position on abortion and what i say is that the republican party does not need to change this compromise where we say we're okay with abortion as long as it happens before 14 weeks what the republican party needs to do is say this is an all or nothing issue that's why the left treats it like an all or nothing issue And what we

00:48:09.000 need to say to voters is, we don't believe abortion should ever be allowed.

00:48:12.000 The left believes abortion should be allowed during the process of birth.

00:48:16.000 Those are your options.

00:48:17.000 Pick one.

00:48:18.000 The American people will pick for abortion to be illegal across the board if that's what it takes for partial birth abortion to not be happening. 0.59

00:48:24.000 I firmly believe that.

00:48:25.000 Even though I think very many Americans do support legal abortion at 14 weeks.

00:48:29.000 I disagree.

00:48:30.000 This country loves abortion. 1.00

00:48:31.000 I'll tell you why.

00:48:32.000 And it's because, Seamus, you are not willing to lie to win.

00:48:35.000 I don't think you have to be willing to lie in order to win.

00:48:37.000 I mean, listen, if you're right...

00:48:38.000 They're gonna lie about every single thing, every step of the way.

00:48:41.000 They have this ridiculous commercial where a woman is bleeding out on the ground, and the guy's like, Doctor, what do I do? 0.96

00:48:46.000 And he's like, your wife needs an abortion. 0.92

00:48:48.000 And then the Republican congressman takes the phone...

00:48:51.000 And the absurdity of it is, no one whose wife falls down bleeding calls their physician, and no sane physician says, time for an abortion. 0.99

00:48:59.000 If you did for some reason call your physician, he'd say, are you nuts? 0.98

00:49:02.000 Call 911.

00:49:03.000 But this is the fabrication they put out there, and they keep saying things like...

00:49:08.000 They have all these tweets saying, women have died because of abortion, when in fact, they died from taking these pills or not getting proper medical treatment.

00:49:14.000 No, listen, you're absolutely right that the left is going to lie about this.

00:49:14.000 That's right.

00:49:17.000 But the nice thing about having the position that we have as Christians on abortion is you don't have to lie because the truth is on your side.

00:49:23.000 And so when the left says you're going to go to miscarriage jail because J.D. Vance is tracking your pyramid.

00:49:27.000 No, that is the argument that has been made by lefties who are in histrionics over this issue.

00:49:32.000 I agree with you on the basic binary of it.

00:49:34.000 But I went to New York and I was hanging out with a friend of mine who is a default liberal.

00:49:39.000 He's a comedian and he doesn't pay attention to politics and he's got a massive following.

00:49:42.000 And when I told him that Democrats introduced a bill that would allow abortion up to birth, he says, that can't be true, you're wrong. 0.91

00:49:48.000 And I said, no, I am not a conservative, pro-lifer, crazy guy. 0.57

00:49:51.000 I'm telling you the truth.

00:49:52.000 Took my phone, opened up the bill, and I said, read section 14.

00:49:55.000 And he goes, this is wrong.

00:49:57.000 I don't believe this.

00:49:58.000 And I said, dude, I am not making this up.

00:50:01.000 See, one of the problems we have with the current iteration of our left in this country is that they are so insane, if you try and tell people it's happening, they tell you you're nuts and there's no way it's happening. 0.56

00:50:10.000 They're never going to listen to your argument. 0.76

00:50:13.000 The cognitive dissonance goes too deep.

00:50:16.000 And even if they recognize subconsciously that the left's position is partial birth abortion, it doesn't matter because the issue of abortion itself represents sexual license.

00:50:31.000 That's also true.

00:50:32.000 And it is the trade-off that they are willing to make.

00:50:34.000 I respect you guys trying to shift the conversation to late-term abortion, because that is some of the most unpopular time, and politically it's very unpopular.

00:50:42.000 However, 90% of abortions happen within 14 weeks, and overwhelmingly Americans support this.

00:50:47.000 Electorally speaking, being for things like six-week abortion bans, which I'm not making up out of thin air, have been pushed in Florida and things like that, are cement shoes electorally.

00:50:57.000 And you can sink or swim about it, but it's electorally, it's cement shoes.

00:51:01.000 I hear you.

00:51:04.000 what you actually believe.

00:51:04.000 You can keep harping on late-term abortion.

00:51:06.000 I will.

00:51:07.000 The fact of the matter is you believe life begins at conception.

00:51:09.000 And that's what you're deep down trying to legislate.

00:51:09.000 That's correct.

00:51:11.000 So you're trying to mislead people.

00:51:13.000 No, I'm not trying to mislead people.

00:51:14.000 I literally told you, hold on.

00:51:15.000 Which is wrong.

00:51:16.000 You have made a bad faith accusation against my position when I literally opened by saying the Republican Party needs to be clear about the fact that we want abortion Anyone can rewind the tape and see that.

00:51:25.000 I've said nothing dishonest.

00:51:26.000 I've been very clear about my position.

00:51:27.000 You levied that accusation against me for disagreeing with your perspective.

00:51:30.000 But one thing I will say about this is when you talk about late-term abortion being a small minority, even though the Guttmacher Institute, which is a very left-wing organization, has said 12,000 of them happen annually.

00:51:39.000 As a percent of abortions, Seamus, as a percent of total abortions.

00:51:44.000 You've got to let me finish a sentence here.

00:51:46.000 I find it interesting that you're saying that it is focusing on the fringe of an issue to talk about late-term abortions when the reality is the left is making arguments about women who are going to go to jail for having miscarriages, which never happens.

00:51:57.000 It happens just as often as nine-month abortions. 1.00

00:51:57.000 That's not even a fringe. 1.00

00:52:01.000 That's not true 12,000 times a year.

00:52:03.000 Gentlemen, that happens 12,000 times a year.

00:52:05.000 You're factually wrong.

00:52:07.000 We will continue this conversation, but I want to pull in this story.

00:52:10.000 This was big news over the weekend, the shocking Iowa poll from Ann Seltzer.

00:52:15.000 Nate Silver says a shocking Iowa poll means somebody is going to be wrong, either Ann Seltzer and the New York Times or the rest of the polling industry.

00:52:22.000 So you guys may have seen this.

00:52:25.000 Strangely, Ann Seltzer, who Nate Silver says is one of their highest pollsters, like one of their best, shows Kamala Harris winning three points in Iowa.

00:52:35.000 Why?

00:52:36.000 No idea.

00:52:37.000 When she was being interviewed about this, she says, what does D&R represent?

00:52:42.000 And everyone began ragging on her like, Democrats and Republicans?

00:52:46.000 What do you mean?

00:52:46.000 Don't you understand what's going on?

00:52:48.000 And then the argument from the left is, well, no, no, she's right.

00:52:50.000 It's just she's not going partisan.

00:52:52.000 She's saying Trump versus Harris.

00:52:54.000 The narrative that is emerging right now on the left, the reason why Ann Seltzer was able to find these results is because she's not following the herd and that she's polling women.

00:53:04.000 There are numerous narratives emerging where these guys in Iowa were like, you know, I saw my wife having a meeting with all her friends and they said they were going to vote for Kamala Harris and they're very serious about not liking Donald Trump.

00:53:17.000 We're now looking at polls.

00:53:19.000 I'm sorry, not polls, but the return date on early voting showing that women are, I believe, what, 10 million more women than men have voted?

00:53:25.000 It's about 54% to 44% of men.

00:53:28.000 It's because we love doing paperwork.

00:53:30.000 Well, women are voting more than men, at least right now. 1.00

00:53:33.000 Some are saying, well, men are going to show up on the day of, but the issue of abortion is being brought up by the left as a principal issue as to why Democrats may win this.

00:53:43.000 I don't know who wins.

00:53:44.000 I don't know, Jeremy, what do you think if this really is swaying people?

00:53:47.000 Abortion, I think, is the number five issue. 0.71

00:53:49.000 Well, it's the number five issue in the way that people respond to surveys.

00:53:54.000 It's definitely the number one issue if you look at Kamala Harris and the left's rhetoric going into the election. 1.00

00:54:00.000 I would say that Kamala Harris is obviously on something like Valium. 1.00

00:54:04.000 She's a perpetually stoned... 1.00

00:54:07.000 I'm actually not joking. 0.89

00:54:08.000 I think that she's perpetually stoned. 0.99

00:54:13.000 The only time that she has these moments of sort of clarity, just like the fog parts and actual position appears, it's to advocate for the killing of babies.

00:54:24.000 That's like almost the only thing that she seems to actually care about in any real sense, and she becomes very passionate about it.

00:54:30.000 And I do think that the left has done a very effective job over the last 70 years, and in particular over the last 20 years, of convincing women that the only way to truly be a woman is to be the opposite of what women have been throughout all of human history, which is, you know, life givers and children of convincing women that the only way to truly be a So, listen, I don't know. 0.82

00:54:52.000 I think that there's a world where Kamala Harris wins 50 states.

00:54:55.000 If the left figures out a way to turn college campuses into ballot harvesting operations, which has historically been impossible, but now in the era of mail-in, the ubiquity of mail-in voting is no longer impossible.

00:55:06.000 If they haven't done it, they're going to do it in the next election, and we have to figure out what we're going to do about that.

00:55:10.000 Then there are a lot of ways that the polls could be wildly off because all of the old... 0.97

00:55:17.000 Milestones or fence markers by which we would understand the state of the race have essentially all been upended.

00:55:25.000 We just don't know.

00:55:28.000 And how you feel doesn't mean no.

00:55:31.000 One of the things that I hate the most about politics in the era of social media is that you'll have somebody who says, Donald Trump is going to win New York.

00:55:39.000 I've never been more sure of anything in my life.

00:55:43.000 And then like...

00:55:45.000 Early tomorrow morning, a meteor will hit Manhattan, wipe out 20 million people, and New York will only be determined by people who voted in, like, the three red counties in New York.

00:55:57.000 And that person will say, see, I told you!

00:55:59.000 I always knowed! 0.98

00:56:01.000 Well, you didn't know crap, but you did happen to be right. 0.98

00:56:04.000 You brought up abortion as one of the most important issues for Democrats. 0.98

00:56:04.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:56:10.000 Trump's Supreme Court famously was responsible for overturning Roe v.

00:56:13.000 Wade.

00:56:14.000 Now Trump is saying that he doesn't want to have any national abortion ban.

00:56:18.000 Do you feel as though Trump is abandoning the pro-life cause?

00:56:24.000 Yes.

00:56:25.000 I think that Donald Trump has...

00:56:27.000 I've never been comfortable in the pro-life movement.

00:56:31.000 I don't think that Donald Trump himself has ever actually been a pro-life person.

00:56:36.000 I don't think that he's run in pro-life circles.

00:56:38.000 I think that he has not lived the kind of lifestyle that would reinforce pro-life values.

00:56:47.000 transactional politician.

00:56:48.000 He understood what the electorate needed from him to win as a Republican, and things happened very fast.

00:56:55.000 It happens to be a sort of rebuke of the right, that most of our way of dealing with abortion in my lifetime was essentially premised on the idea that we would never be able to win and overturn Roe.

00:57:08.000 And so, I remember it was settled law.

00:57:08.000 I think you're right.

00:57:10.000 That was the phrase around Roe v. 0.91

00:57:12.000 Wade.

00:57:13.000 The right never would have agreed it was settled law.

00:57:17.000 It was the fight.

00:57:18.000 The fight to overturn Roe.

00:57:20.000 But because the only fight was to overturn Roe, there's never been any conception of what would happen after the overturning of Roe.

00:57:28.000 Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg knew that it was a flawed decision.

00:57:31.000 Of course it was a terrible decision.

00:57:33.000 But the result is that the pro-life movement in America has essentially existed to fight Roe v.

00:57:37.000 Wade, and now we live in a post-Roe reality, and the right has not yet adapted. 0.98

00:57:42.000 We have not yet figured out how best to champion life when it's now an actual issue in which voters are going to routinely have a say in.

00:57:52.000 The beauty of Roe, listen, Roe was a horrible piece of jurisprudence.

00:57:57.000 It led to an actual kind of genocide of the unborn in this country.

00:58:02.000 You couldn't be more pro-life than I am.

00:58:05.000 Nevertheless, I'm telling you that Roe was of great political value to cynical right-wing politicians because it allowed them to be abortion absolutists politically without actually having to do anything to obviate abortion in the country.

00:58:22.000 I think that's the way it is.

00:58:23.000 I'd like to make this point, and I would start by saying...

00:58:28.000 I consider myself traditionally pro-choice.

00:58:30.000 I think abortion is wrong, but I think it's increasingly difficult to legislate properly.

00:58:34.000 I don't know that I have the best answers, and I will stress, with this disclaimer, this issue is the razor's edge.

00:58:39.000 There's no middle road.

00:58:40.000 I'm not smart enough to come up with a good answer, to be completely honest.

00:58:42.000 I just don't know.

00:58:43.000 What I can tell you is I do believe, over a long period of time, the end result will be the complete abolition of abortion.

00:58:49.000 And I mean that from a position of logic.

00:58:51.000 That is, the 14th Amendment would have to be overturned And I will stress this by reading section 1 of the 14th.

00:59:11.000 All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

00:59:19.000 Period.

00:59:20.000 Now you can forget about that sentence because that's only one portion of this amendment because often the left and liberals try to say, aha, but it says persons born.

00:59:27.000 Only for that sentence.

00:59:28.000 It then says next, no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.

00:59:35.000 Semicolon, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws.

00:59:45.000 First, outside of the abortion question, this has already been ruled that non-citizens, tourists, illegal immigrants still have the same protections.

00:59:55.000 That is, someone who comes here because they're visiting family cannot just be locked up without charge or trial.

01:00:01.000 They have free speech, they have these things.

01:00:04.000 This means, if the Supreme Court is to answer this question, are the unborn persons or citizens, the argument is, well, they're not born, so they're not citizens, but are they persons?

01:00:15.000 At which point, scientifically, life begins at conception.

01:00:19.000 I believe that the logic follows.

01:00:22.000 And I've asked this to many liberals.

01:00:25.000 I've asked them, two women, nine months pregnant.

01:00:29.000 They both are conceived at the exact same moments.

01:00:31.000 They're twins and they're married to twin brothers.

01:00:33.000 The babies are identical.

01:00:35.000 One woman gives birth.

01:00:36.000 The other woman is still pregnant. 0.98

01:00:39.000 An hour later, can the woman who is still pregnant abort that baby? 1.00

01:00:42.000 And the response from the left is yes.

01:00:45.000 Without question, it's her choice.

01:00:47.000 Despite the fact the babies are identical.

01:00:49.000 And the only thing separating them is the body of the mother.

01:00:53.000 I then said, can you terminate the life of the baby that was born?

01:00:55.000 The answer is no.

01:00:56.000 Well, there's nothing legal or logical in that that can be concluded.

01:01:00.000 I believe that if the Supreme Court takes up this question, there is only one answer, and it's the unborn, our person.

01:01:07.000 At the very least, the argument is post-viability, but I believe whether you want it to be or not, and this is not me making an opinion argument, Or I should say it's not my opinion or morals on the question of abortion.

01:01:17.000 It is my view of how the Supreme Court will rule based on the 14th Amendment.

01:01:21.000 So I would agree with you that that's certainly the most logical choice.

01:01:23.000 But I'm actually going to combine a thing Jeremy said and a thing Mary said, which I think are both accurate, which is firstly the Republican Party did it for a very long time.

01:01:30.000 Run on abortion is an issue that they were never actually interested in doing anything about.

01:01:34.000 It's not to say there weren't Republican politicians whose heart was in the right place and planned to.

01:01:37.000 It's just for many of them it was something that could be easily exploited.

01:01:40.000 And then Mary, you pointed out that Abortion is necessary for the sexual licentiousness that dominates our culture to continue to flourish. 0.93

01:01:47.000 And there's a phrase I like to use for this.

01:01:49.000 These people, they really genuinely are lobotomized by their libido. 0.99

01:01:52.000 They will go along with any insane policy prescription, including killing babies, if it means that they get to continue fooling around. 0.92

01:01:59.000 There's actually a theory in anthropology that one of the ways you can determine whether a place is a brothel is whether there are infant skeletons nearby. 0.73

01:02:07.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:02:08.000 Because it's necessary.

01:02:08.000 Yes.

01:02:10.000 Yes, because it's absolutely necessary in order to continue this absurd fantasy that you can have a quote-unquote sexual liberation that does not involve human beings living by the rules and laws of logic, settling down with one person, having a child with them, getting married, which is the most reasonable thing to do.

01:02:25.000 Because we want to talk about sexual liberation.

01:02:27.000 You are not free if you are not living in accordance with reason.

01:02:30.000 But this is why I'm saying I don't have as much faith in...

01:02:33.000 The American people coming to the decision that we will not support this if it means partial birth or late-term abortion.

01:02:40.000 They will not decide that.

01:02:42.000 They have, I think, collectively decided, this is the price for my sexual license. 0.98

01:02:48.000 We will shed blood for our orgasm. 0.95

01:02:51.000 Like, that is what they have collectively decided.

01:02:53.000 They've decided that today.

01:02:55.000 Exactly.

01:02:55.000 But it took seven...

01:02:56.000 This is the sad truth for my pro-life friends.

01:02:59.000 It took 70 years to overturn Roe v.

01:03:01.000 Wade.

01:03:02.000 And we had no idea, as I said, we had no idea what we were going to do next.

01:03:06.000 It's going to take at least a generation and maybe two generations to defeat abortion now that it's a political issue.

01:03:13.000 It's going to have to be won culturally.

01:03:15.000 It's going to have to be fought for politically.

01:03:18.000 It's going to have to be thought through by a new generation of thinkers who aren't just thinking about how to use the courts to accomplish this one piece of the victory, but who are actually thinking about ways to legislate our way toward victory.

01:03:33.000 It's going to be fought by the churches who have, I mean, American evangelicalism is in complete collapse right now.

01:03:40.000 It's going to have to refine, we're going to have to refine that footing.

01:03:43.000 It's going to be probably solved in part technologically because you're never going to have a society.

01:03:48.000 I hate to say this, but, you know, all of sin and fall short of the glory of God, I.

01:03:53.000 I said it before.

01:03:53.000 That's the line I came up with on the drive over.

01:03:56.000 I think that I'll trademark it.

01:03:58.000 The fact of the matter is that people don't just give up licentiousness, and you're never going to have a society that's free from licentiousness, but you are going to have a society where the age of viability moves back further and further and further and further with technological and medical advances.

01:04:15.000 And the combination of all of that, I do believe, will ultimately, and God's grace, will ultimately result in the abolition of abortion.

01:04:22.000 But it's not going to be decided like at the 2024 ballot box.

01:04:26.000 That's not going to happen.

01:04:27.000 It's not going to be determined in 2028.

01:04:29.000 It's not going to be determined in 2032.

01:04:31.000 We're going to have to fight and fight.

01:04:32.000 We're going to win ground and lose ground.

01:04:34.000 We're going to compromise and get blood on our hands.

01:04:36.000 We're going to dislike ourselves because we have to engage in political compromise for the first time.

01:04:40.000 And Republicans have never had to engage in political compromise on the issue of abortion because it's never been political.

01:04:46.000 We could afford to be completely absolutist in our approach.

01:04:50.000 I'm an absolutist in the ethic.

01:04:53.000 I believe that abortion should be 100 percent banned in absolutely all instances.

01:04:57.000 That's about as pro-life as you can get.

01:05:00.000 100 percent absolute abolitionist.

01:05:02.000 But we're going to have to make political compromise.

01:05:04.000 If I, for example, lived in California and somehow a Republican manages to get elected governor in that state again and he's a Donald Trumpian Republican and he comes up with a 14 week abortion ban, I'm going to freaking support it. 0.97

01:05:16.000 Not because I agree with a 14 week abortion ban.

01:05:20.000 I believe in a complete abolition of abortion, but I know you're not going to get that in California.

01:05:23.000 And I'm going to live with having to face the fact that I live in a fallen world, having to face the fact that I have political responsibility in a fallen world, and I'm going to fight for every single life of every single child that I can until we figure out how to win this issue, which I believe is a generational struggle.

01:05:39.000 One more point from Shane.

01:05:40.000 Yeah, I just want to make one point really quickly, which is even Pope St.

01:05:42.000 John Paul II said that if there is a situation where abortion is legal across the board and there's a piece of legislation that you can choose that restricts abortion but doesn't totally eliminate it, it's okay to support that piece of legislation on the way to total abolition.

01:05:57.000 So I got to jump to the story because we've been sitting out for a few minutes.

01:06:01.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan has formally endorsed Donald Trump.

01:06:04.000 Get out of here.

01:06:05.000 In a tweet, he said, the great and powerful Elon Musk, if it wasn't for him, we'd be effed.

01:06:10.000 He makes what I think is the most compelling case for Trump.

01:06:13.000 You'll hear, and I agree with him every step of the way.

01:06:15.000 For the record, yes, that's an endorsement of Trump.

01:06:17.000 Enjoy the podcast.

01:06:19.000 There are going to be so many videos of him saying offensive things on the internet tomorrow.

01:06:23.000 All the Edward tapes are going to get played again tomorrow.

01:06:25.000 Every bad thing this man has said is about to get raked up.

01:06:28.000 It's fine.

01:06:29.000 It's fine.

01:06:30.000 He's going to be fine.

01:06:31.000 Why did it take Elon Musk?

01:06:33.000 Is this a podcast with him?

01:06:35.000 Yes.

01:06:36.000 He spoke to Trump, but it was Elon who convinced him?

01:06:40.000 I think Elon is the most important living human.

01:06:43.000 I agree.

01:06:45.000 I'll just say this.

01:06:47.000 He's kind of a weird guy, but that's okay.

01:06:49.000 Buying X and doing the best he can for free speech, he's not perfect.

01:06:54.000 But SpaceX and the work he's doing with Starship is, you know, if the Earth gets wiped out, if something happens, that's it.

01:07:03.000 If we start expanding and we develop our technologies and we move to the stars, I believe that makes humans invincible.

01:07:09.000 I mean that figuratively.

01:07:11.000 But Joe Rogan, On the eve of the election, at 8.45 p.m., Just tweeting his endorsement.

01:07:20.000 Huge.

01:07:21.000 It's huge, but at the same time, it's the lightest way he could have done it.

01:07:25.000 I'm wondering if tomorrow maybe Joe will put out a statement or something on video.

01:07:30.000 Sorry, I was drunk.

01:07:32.000 I don't know.

01:07:33.000 This is going to be...

01:07:34.000 I'd like to apologize.

01:07:35.000 Every single news outlet right now is writing this.

01:07:37.000 It's fascinating and hilarious at the same time because who's Joe Rogan?

01:07:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:42.000 He's a comedian.

01:07:44.000 He's a celebrity.

01:07:44.000 I get it.

01:07:45.000 He has the biggest podcast, but everybody was waiting for his endorsement.

01:07:48.000 Jeremy, this ties into something I think that you said earlier.

01:07:51.000 You said how the left actually does the things that they say.

01:07:55.000 And you mentioned, or Joe mentioned, that he spoke to Elon.

01:07:58.000 And the Harris administration has made it clear that they're going to be, they're going to use the powers at their disposal, likely the Justice Department, to go after people like Elon Musk, platforms like X, You have experience fighting the government because of the lawsuits that you brought and winning.

01:08:21.000 Is it your sense that a Harris administration will go after people like Joe Rogan, like Elon Musk, maybe podcasters, maybe they'll come after some of your businesses because of your endorsement of Donald Trump and because of your resistance to the mandates from the government?

01:08:39.000 Is it your sense that that's a reality because it's my sense?

01:08:41.000 And that's one of the things that I find most off putting about the idea of a Kamala Harris administration is her hostility to the individual liberties that we have too long taken for granted. 1.00

01:08:53.000 Yes.

01:08:54.000 There's no question that the left will weaponize the government to penalize their political opponents.

01:09:00.000 They've been doing it.

01:09:01.000 I mean, Barack Obama famously weaponized the IRS against his political enemies, including my organization at the time, Friends of Abe, a 501c3 that I was the executive director of in Los Angeles at the time and had to fight them and got some help from some friendly senators who helped us repel that attack.

01:09:18.000 They've already weaponized the DOJ to go after Donald Trump.

01:09:21.000 We've seen that.

01:09:23.000 And many, many instances of actual Americans who aren't famous, Americans who don't have big names being criminalized by the left.

01:09:32.000 The left is the threat to our freedom.

01:09:33.000 They are the threat to our national sovereignty.

01:09:35.000 They are the threat to our traditional values, the threat to our family.

01:09:39.000 They are all the things that they accused Donald Trump of being, and they are those things in practice.

01:09:44.000 You know, something you said earlier that I think is really interesting is that the left does all the worst things that they say they're going to do.

01:09:49.000 does all the worst things that they say they're going to do, but they also say a bunch of conservative things, and they don't do those.

01:09:51.000 They also say a bunch of conservative things, and they don't do those.

01:09:54.000 And that is an interesting aspect of our country, is that politicians left and right run to the right, and then neither of them do the things that they said they were going to do to the right.

01:10:06.000 And so Donald Trump's right is much further right than Kamala Harris's right, but he's not going to do those things.

01:10:11.000 And Kamala Harris's right is much more close to the middle than Donald Trump's right, but she's not going to do those things either. 0.99

01:10:17.000 Everyone promises the country, to Ben's point earlier, everyone sort of promises some sort of return to normalcy, but the left in particular does the worst things that they say that they're going to do.

01:10:28.000 When they say that they're going to clamp down on freedom of speech, they are.

01:10:32.000 When they say that they're going to look into this Elon Musk character, they are.

01:10:36.000 If you want to know why, listen, I don't know Elon Musk.

01:10:39.000 I admire Elon Musk.

01:10:41.000 I think he's the most important living human, and I like to say the most important American, mostly because it ticks off the Groypers or whatever who try to point out to me that he's not an American, even though he's Obviously the greatest living American.

01:10:54.000 But Elon Musk is trying to build the future.

01:10:57.000 The next three to four years will be the most important years for determining the regulatory environment for everything that Elon Musk cares about.

01:11:08.000 They're going to determine over the next three to four years to what extent private companies like his have access to space.

01:11:14.000 They're going to determine over the next three to four years to what extent we're allowed to embrace AI.

01:11:18.000 They're going to determine over the next three to four years to what extent we're allowed to embrace autonomous driving.

01:11:23.000 They're going to decide over the next three to four years to what extent we're able to directly interface physically with machines in a way that he's doing through Neuralink.

01:11:32.000 They're going to determine to what extent we're able to embrace the revolution of robotics that is at hand.

01:11:38.000 I think people don't realize these things are at hand right now.

01:11:41.000 Like the Jetsons future is here.

01:11:44.000 The 9.9%.

01:11:46.000 earthquake already happened in Japan.

01:11:48.000 The tidewater has already receded.

01:11:50.000 There's no question about us getting wet.

01:11:52.000 It's only now a question of when the event already took place.

01:11:55.000 And what the left wants to do is crack down on all of that, stymie human innovation, use protectionist policies, use punitive policies to keep it from happening.

01:12:03.000 And all they'll do is ensure that China and Russia and our adversaries steal the technology from people like Elon and get ahead of us and destroy American hegemony around the world.

01:12:12.000 I'm not saying there's not some responsible legislation that should happen around these I think anyone would tell you that there is, but the left actually wants to stop it.

01:12:19.000 I think that's why the most important living American has so passionately embraced politics.

01:12:25.000 Because politics is kind of a losing gambit for a guy like Elon Musk, except that he knows that everything he cares about, up to and including free speech, is actually on the ballot tomorrow.

01:12:34.000 That's why I'm voting for Donald Trump.

01:12:35.000 It's why I think Elon Musk is voting for Donald Trump.

01:12:38.000 I suspect it's why Joe Rogan is voting for Donald Trump.

01:12:40.000 Amen.

01:12:41.000 I gotta bounce now.

01:12:42.000 Ben Shapiro's here to take my spot, but I just want to let everybody know, if you go over to freedomtunes.com, you can become a member, help us make more cartoons.

01:12:50.000 If you go to our YouTube channel, Freedom Tunes, we released a video today called Kamala Polling at 100% with People Who Vote at 3am.

01:12:57.000 I think it's a very funny video.

01:12:59.000 I think you guys will really enjoy it.

01:13:00.000 I want to encourage you to go over there and check it out.

01:13:02.000 Thank you all so much for having me.

01:13:03.000 And I'm half the voices in it.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, he's like half the voices in the video.

01:13:05.000 So go over to youtube.com slash freedomtunes.

01:13:08.000 Thank you guys so much.

01:13:09.000 But this is perfect because I need to hear Ben Shapiro's take on Joe Rogan's endorsement of Donald Trump.

01:13:17.000 You leave for five minutes during this campaign, and Joe Rogan has endorsed Donald Trump.

01:13:21.000 Okay, so that was obviously kind of on the way, right?

01:13:24.000 I mean, we all kind of saw that one coming.

01:13:26.000 Listen, Joe's great.

01:13:28.000 Joe's been heterodox this entire time.

01:13:30.000 The chances that he was going to endorse Kamala, particularly after she insisted that he travel to her and then come on bended knee and do a one-hour interview to Joe, I mean, some of us in the room have been on Joe's show, and, you know, One hour is called the introduction.

01:13:44.000 One hour is where he just asks you if you've tried ayahuasca.

01:13:48.000 That's just the first hour. 0.99

01:13:50.000 The idea that he was going to endorse her is ridiculous. 0.96

01:13:55.000 This election is so much about whether dudes turn out. 0.96

01:13:57.000 That really is just the entire story of this election.

01:13:59.000 If dudes turn out...

01:14:00.000 Trump wins.

01:14:01.000 If dudes do not turn out, Trump loses.

01:14:03.000 That's the entirety of the election.

01:14:05.000 I mean, Tim Walls actually sort of...

01:14:07.000 Doug Emhoff.

01:14:08.000 Sorry, I mixed the two of them up because they're such betas.

01:14:10.000 But Doug Emhoff sort of gave the game away.

01:14:13.000 He said, you know, I've been meeting with men, which is, you know, he can't define them, but...

01:14:18.000 He's meeting with men who are going to vote now for Kamala Harris, but they had to stop watching podcasts and stop looking at the UFC. It's like, yeah, and cut themselves in weird places.

01:14:28.000 This is what they're so afraid of.

01:14:30.000 They're waging a war on podcasts.

01:14:33.000 I'm concerned about that.

01:14:34.000 I mean, we're all in the podcast industry.

01:14:36.000 This is what that New York Times piece was all about.

01:14:38.000 There's a New York Times and Washington Post piece.

01:14:40.000 Both of those were hit pieces on our industry.

01:14:43.000 They were clearly an attempt to destroy our ability to make a living because they don't like what we're saying.

01:14:48.000 And that's that's Joe, too.

01:14:49.000 I mean, Joe knows this. 0.97

01:14:50.000 OK, they went after him on Spotify because he refused to bow to all of the crap that the public health minds were saying. 0.93

01:14:58.000 And Joe went along with it for a time until he stopped going along with it. 0.92

01:15:02.000 But Joe is bigger than they are.

01:15:03.000 And that is something that they like.

01:15:05.000 We are watching the end in real time is the celebratory point, no matter how the selection goes.

01:15:09.000 We are watching in real time the collapse of legacy media.

01:15:12.000 And the only way the only way they can maintain their dominance is if they participate in censorship and get the social media platforms to censor all of our businesses.

01:15:20.000 I just posed a question, real quick, I just posed a question to Jeremy about that.

01:15:23.000 Do you, is it your sense that they, do you feel like the government will come after not only Joe Rogan and people like Elon Musk, do you think that the Department of Justice will come after people like yourselves and people like Tim I mean, they'll look for any excuse to certainly launch lawsuits against us.

01:15:36.000 I mean, they're going after Elon right now for the signal failure of SpaceX to hire enough refugees.

01:15:41.000 Literally, that's what the DOJ is doing.

01:15:43.000 So that would not be a giant trap.

01:15:44.000 I don't think they even need to do that.

01:15:46.000 I think the way they like to work is through informal mechanisms of pressure.

01:15:49.000 They like to call in Mark Zuckerberg.

01:15:50.000 They did this already.

01:15:51.000 They like to call in Mark Zuckerberg, and they like to call in Elon, and they like to say to those people, you know, if you don't do what we say, we will essentially regulate your company out of business.

01:15:59.000 So just do what we say, and then it'll never come to that.

01:16:01.000 I mean, Dianne Feinstein literally said that to Zuckerberg.

01:16:03.000 And Zuckerberg is considered, you know, the big villain on the right these days.

01:16:06.000 But the reality is that if you go back and you look at what Zuckerberg was saying in 2019 at George County on free speech, he sounds like one of us.

01:16:12.000 And if you look at what he's saying now, he's sounding more like he did in 2019.

01:16:16.000 He's kind of starting to make turn on that.

01:16:18.000 And, you know, they don't like that very much.

01:16:20.000 And so if Kamala Harris is elected, I think that you're going to see enormous amounts of pressure brought on all of these outlets to shut down, quote unquote, disinformation and misinformation.

01:16:29.000 And the thing is that the Supreme Court failed on this front.

01:16:32.000 There was a Supreme Court case that was launched on these grounds about censorship during the 2020 election.

01:16:37.000 And the Supreme Court found that you didn't have standing to sue If Facebook shut down your post, because supposedly they might have had another reason to do that.

01:16:45.000 But if the government uses social media as a cutout for censorship, that is obviously a form of censorship.

01:16:50.000 So you think that if Kamala wins, the social media censorship will get worse?

01:16:55.000 Yes.

01:16:56.000 That's interesting because it seems like Trump's victory in 2016 was the catalyst for so much of that social media censorship.

01:17:03.000 Interestingly though, having gone through that, building a media company during that time, the truth is that during the Trump administration, the social media platforms played much, much, much more fairly with us.

01:17:13.000 It doesn't mean that there weren't problems.

01:17:15.000 There are always problems.

01:17:15.000 They're opposed to us.

01:17:16.000 They dislike us.

01:17:17.000 They hate our point of view.

01:17:18.000 They want to suppress us.

01:17:19.000 But they were afraid of the Trump administration.

01:17:23.000 They were afraid, particularly in those first two years when we also had control of the House and the Senate, they were deeply afraid of there being government action from the right against them.

01:17:31.000 And then from 2020 to today, you've seen the worst excesses of what's happened on the platform.

01:17:37.000 So I don't mean to defend their actions during the early Trump days, but I do think it's a bit of a...

01:17:41.000 Yes, they were outraged by Trump, and yes, there was a lot of rhetoric around it, but their actual behavior is so much more nefarious now than it's ever been.

01:17:48.000 I have to be optimistic seeing the endorsement of Trump by Joe Rogan, and considering the show that we're doing here with, I mean, you've got Neocon Elad, Ben Shapiro, Jeremy Boring, you've got Mary.

01:18:00.000 The politics are relatively different between all of us.

01:18:04.000 I come from a...

01:18:06.000 When I was younger, I was very far left.

01:18:08.000 Anarchists, punk rock, skateboarding, protesting, all that stuff.

01:18:11.000 Moderated quite a bit.

01:18:12.000 Still consider myself to be fairly moderate and left-leaning in certain areas.

01:18:16.000 Phil, you consider yourself, what, fairly libertarian?

01:18:19.000 Or how do you view yourself? 1.00

01:18:20.000 A disaffected libertarian, because the libertarians are ridiculous. 0.99

01:18:23.000 There you go. 0.99

01:18:25.000 Disaffected liberal, disaffected libertarian, conservatives, neocons.

01:18:28.000 I think we just don't hate communists.

01:18:30.000 I think that's what it comes down to.

01:18:31.000 That's the common denominator.

01:18:32.000 But also Joe Rogan.

01:18:33.000 I introduce myself as an anti-communist every single show, you know?

01:18:36.000 I see a point that I make all the time, especially when it comes to abortion, is that we all have a conversation where we're trying to figure it out, and the left is absolutist.

01:18:46.000 You know, I talked with pro-life activists about this for a long time, coming from a more liberal position, and the response is always, Glenn Beck was fantastic.

01:18:55.000 He said, you know, I don't really see the world the way you do, but I really appreciate your talking.

01:18:58.000 We're trying to work this out.

01:18:59.000 I was like, yeah, man, I think figuring out these answers and trying to have a reasonable discussion makes sense.

01:19:03.000 The left is out the window on this one.

01:19:06.000 So now Joe Rogan, who is very obviously a progressive guy in a lot of ways, is like Trump's the guy.

01:19:13.000 I can't help but be optimistic for tomorrow.

01:19:16.000 I mean, naive maybe because quote unquote shadow campaigns exist, but I'm optimistic Oh, you sweet summer child.

01:19:25.000 No, Kamala is going to win and it's going to be very good for opposition media.

01:19:29.000 Kamala Harris is going to lose because she's going to fumble Pennsylvania for her weak decision not to make Governor Shapiro her VP pick. 1.00

01:19:38.000 Kamala winning will only be good for opposition media on the surface until the DOJ comes in with IRS, you know, tax investigations and regulatory investigations, and then we don't exist. 0.97

01:19:50.000 I think that that's a realistic...

01:19:52.000 I'm in agreement with you guys.

01:19:53.000 It is...

01:19:55.000 A clear and present danger to the freedom of speech.

01:19:57.000 I think a Kamala Harris administration is on many fronts.

01:20:01.000 It's not just about the First Amendment.

01:20:03.000 Obviously, she would go after semi-automatic rifles. 0.92

01:20:07.000 So the Second Amendment, she would go after. 1.00

01:20:09.000 I assume that there would be no change about policies that are covered under the Fourth Amendment, your right to privacy and such.

01:20:18.000 Freedom of religion, which is the vital part of the First Amendment that we haven't talked enough about.

01:20:22.000 I mean, essentially, you guys know Jordan Peterson better than anyone here.

01:20:29.000 His perspective is if you don't have the freedom to talk and say what you want, then you don't actually have the freedom to think.

01:20:36.000 And I agree with that strongly.

01:20:37.000 And I think that without the protections...

01:20:42.000 That are provided in the Constitution being something that the American people truly believe in.

01:20:47.000 And I think the American people, or at least a significant portion of the American people, have at least considered these ideas passe and not important if they don't affect them directly, which most people kind of go along to get along, so they don't actually affect them directly.

01:21:02.000 I think too many people will allow for it, and I think that COVID was really a demonstration.

01:21:07.000 There's another thing that the Democrats are planning to do, and they're openly planning it.

01:21:11.000 Kamala Harris has talked about killing the filibuster for a wide variety of things. 0.99

01:21:14.000 One of the things that they would do if they got control of the Senate and the presidency, God forbid, is they would immediately move to make changes to the Supreme Court.

01:21:21.000 They've talked openly about this.

01:21:22.000 They would talk about packing the Supreme Court, adding justices.

01:21:24.000 They would talk about putting term limits in to get rid of some of the older justices who tend to be the more Republican justices at this point in time.

01:21:31.000 And if that happened, then the real bulwark in favor of the First Amendment is gone.

01:21:34.000 Because the Democrats have made perfectly clear that they do not actually believe that things like hate speech, what they call hate speech, or misinformation, that these things are covered by the First Amendment.

01:21:43.000 Tim Walz has openly said that.

01:21:44.000 He says misinformation and hate speech are not covered by the First Amendment.

01:21:47.000 If they ever got a Supreme Court that was friendly to that position, then you can kiss dissent in the country goodbye.

01:21:52.000 I come from the music industry.

01:21:53.000 That's part of the reason why I'm here.

01:21:55.000 I'm in a heavy metal band, and a lot of my people that I've been friendly with are people that I've known for years and years that were staunchly against the Bush administration and that you would think would consider themselves liberals and be saying things like, oh, the First Amendment and our right to create art and etc.

01:22:12.000 These things should be fundamental to them, should be foundational.

01:22:16.000 And as soon as things like...

01:22:18.000 Like you mentioned, they talk about hate speech or whatever.

01:22:21.000 Or they like to say things like, social media is a whole new world and it's different and we have a responsibility.

01:22:27.000 And I'm personally appalled by these arguments because I am as close to a free speech absolutist as I think you can be.

01:22:35.000 Now, I understand that there's always going to be guardrails when you're dealing in public and stuff.

01:22:40.000 But when it comes to...

01:22:42.000 Exchange of ideas, right?

01:22:44.000 There shouldn't be any kind of limits on the ideas that you're exchanging, just so long as you're being respectful of other people and you're not looking to be inflammatory.

01:22:52.000 And the people in the music industry that I know, they frequently just drop the ball on it and stop caring about that kind of stuff.

01:23:00.000 I want to go back to something you said a second ago, Mary, because it probably doesn't actually matter to anyone else here, but it's a piccadillo of mine.

01:23:08.000 Anonymous trolls on X love to say...

01:23:11.000 The Daily Israel Wire wants Kamala to win because they'll make more money because all the money is in opposition media.

01:23:19.000 I wasn't that cynical.

01:23:23.000 I do want to just point out to everyone listening at home that I'm going to make a lot of money no matter who wins the presidency because I happen to the world.

01:23:33.000 The world doesn't happen to me.

01:23:34.000 The Daily Wire happens to the world.

01:23:35.000 The world doesn't happen to the Daily Wire.

01:23:37.000 But I also want to say that I want Donald Trump to be the president.

01:23:42.000 It will be bad for my business if Kamala Harris becomes the president. 1.00

01:23:46.000 It will be bad for my family if Kamala Harris becomes the president. 1.00

01:23:49.000 It will be bad for my nation if Kamala Harris becomes the president. 1.00

01:23:53.000 And I wanted to say again, it will be bad for my business.

01:23:55.000 The social media platforms will crack down on us and cut into our revenue in enormous ways if Kamala Harris wins the presidency.

01:24:03.000 They will criminalize vast amounts of the thing, not criminalize in the sense that they put you in jail, I hope.

01:24:09.000 But they will criminalize in the sense that they penalize you for having these opinions in public spaces.

01:24:14.000 They'll make it very difficult for us to function economically.

01:24:18.000 They will do everything they can to shut us out of the public square.

01:24:20.000 I won't let that defeat my business, but it will be very bad for my business.

01:24:25.000 And then also, I know it may come as a shock to people, but I would rather live in a free society than be rich.

01:24:31.000 I'd rather live in a free society than have nice studios.

01:24:34.000 I'd rather live in a free society where my daughter has a chance at knowing any of the freedoms and peace and prosperity that I've largely enjoyed in my life than live in some sort of totalitarian attempt at leftist utopia, which has never worked anywhere that's been tried anywhere on Earth.

01:24:50.000 So you weren't being quite as cynical, perhaps, as the anonymous trolls on X, but it is an important point because it is like a major line of attack against people who are in our business a lot.

01:24:59.000 Also, I just want to point out, as a Jew who loves money, money's great, and I am Jewish, as you may have noticed from the funny hat, I have expended exorbitant amounts of capital in favor of both President Trump and the Senate candidates who are running this campaign.

01:25:14.000 Like, on a personal level.

01:25:16.000 I've dropped a check to President Trump, okay?

01:25:18.000 I've dropped checks throughout this campaign cycle.

01:25:20.000 I've put my own life on hold to go campaign for Senate candidates and get out to vote for the Senate candidates.

01:25:27.000 Did an entire hour and change from Senate candidates recently.

01:25:29.000 I saw that.

01:25:30.000 Okay, so here are the five campaigns with the following candidates.

01:25:33.000 Tim Sheehy in Montana, Dave McCormick in Pennsylvania, Bernie Moreno in Ohio, Ted Cruz last night in Texas, Eric Hovde in Wisconsin.

01:25:41.000 I went to New York on October 7th with President Trump and I brought him a hostage family to meet.

01:25:46.000 Wow.

01:25:47.000 And to the Rebbe's grave.

01:25:47.000 I did a fundraiser.

01:25:48.000 That's it, right.

01:25:49.000 The Rebbe Menachem Endrel Schneerson's grave.

01:25:50.000 That was the campaign's choice, by the way.

01:25:51.000 That was not my...

01:25:52.000 I did not book that.

01:25:53.000 I brought the hostage family.

01:25:54.000 That was his choice to be at the Rebbe's grave on October 7th.

01:25:57.000 I'm not Chabadnik, actually.

01:25:57.000 They were not Ben's hostages.

01:25:59.000 Right, exactly.

01:25:59.000 I don't take hostages.

01:26:02.000 But...

01:26:04.000 And I personally co-sponsored a fundraiser for President Trump at Trump Doral.

01:26:09.000 Okay, so for somebody who supposedly is invested in Kamala Harris winning so I can make more money, I'm expending a shitload of money to make sure that she doesn't win.

01:26:16.000 I'd just like to point that out on a personal level.

01:26:18.000 Well, let's talk about foreign policy for a second.

01:26:20.000 What is the prediction of a Kamala presidency versus a Trump presidency, especially pertaining to—I know, Eli, you want to talk about Taiwan, but Ukraine and Israel are the big conflicts right now we're all concerned about.

01:26:31.000 So, President Trump brought the best foreign policy of my lifetime.

01:26:34.000 And he didn't bring that foreign policy because he's like a full-scale, America-first, Father Coughlin isolationist.

01:26:40.000 He said this on my program.

01:26:41.000 I deliberately asked him this question.

01:26:43.000 He understands foreign policy.

01:26:44.000 Foreign policy is a thing that actually is quite simple.

01:26:46.000 It goes like this. 1.00

01:26:47.000 If you cross this line, I'm going to beat the shit out of you. 0.99

01:26:50.000 Okay, that's actually how foreign policy works. 0.99

01:26:52.000 If you're the United States of America, most powerful force, doesn't mean you use the force, right?

01:26:55.000 It's the credible threat of use of force that deters other people from doing bad things.

01:27:00.000 And President Trump totally understands that.

01:27:02.000 He threatened force more than any president of my lifetime and used it less than any president of my lifetime because he was very credible in that threat of use of force.

01:27:08.000 Some days he was writing a letter to Kim Jong-un.

01:27:10.000 I love Kim Jong-un.

01:27:11.000 He's my friend.

01:27:12.000 And then on the other hand, he's like, I have a button.

01:27:13.000 It's bigger than yours.

01:27:15.000 That was Donald Trump and how he did foreign policy, and it was really, really good.

01:27:19.000 It's why he was able to broker peace in the Middle East for the first time in 40 years.

01:27:22.000 It was by ignoring the intransigent and intractable problem between the Palestinians, who are exterminationists and eliminationists with regard to the State of Israel and Israel, and instead going over to UAE and Bahrain and, yes, Saudi, which, by the way, if you've been re-elected, by February 2021, Saudi's in the Abraham Accords. 0.90

01:27:40.000 It is 100% true.

01:27:40.000 It is that clear.

01:27:42.000 I know people on both sides of that conversation.

01:27:43.000 That would have been a thing that happened because he understands that people in that area have a common interest against Iran, which Joe Biden then proceeded to completely blow up by giving them billions of dollars in aid, opening up their economy, allowing them to fund terrorism all over the region, and opening a wide gap visibly with not only Israel, by the way, but with Saudi Arabia.

01:28:01.000 You remember that Joe Biden came into office yelling about Saudi Arabia and Mohammed bin Salman and about how they had killed Jamal Khashoggi and all this kind of stuff.

01:28:09.000 And he started distancing from Saudi.

01:28:10.000 Iran saw that. 0.61

01:28:11.000 They saw an opening.

01:28:12.000 They exploited it with October 7th.

01:28:13.000 That's why they were telling Hamas to actually do October 7th. 0.99

01:28:16.000 None of this shit happens under Donald Trump. 0.98

01:28:17.000 The pullout from Afghanistan does not go down that way. 1.00

01:28:20.000 You know what Donald Trump doesn't like?

01:28:21.000 He doesn't like losing.

01:28:22.000 That's one thing about President Trump that is very obviously clear.

01:28:25.000 So even if he had decided to pull out from Afghanistan, he certainly would not have done so at the cost of billions of dollars of American military equipment, much of which is now in the hands of China. 0.57

01:28:33.000 And certainly not at the cost of the visual of people falling from wheel wells at Bagram Air Base as American soldiers get blown up.

01:28:39.000 And as far as Russia invading Ukraine, he told me this.

01:28:41.000 This guy is at the fundraiser at Trump Drills.

01:28:43.000 My favorite Trump story that he's told me.

01:28:44.000 So President Trump is talking to me and he's like, Ben, you want to know, you want to know why Russia never invaded Ukraine while I was president?

01:28:50.000 He did under Biden.

01:28:51.000 He did under Obama.

01:28:53.000 So I called up Vlad.

01:28:54.000 I said, Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, whatever you do, don't go into Ukraine.

01:28:59.000 And he said, why, Mr.

01:29:00.000 President? 1.00

01:29:00.000 And I said, because if you do, Vlad, I'm going to bomb this shit out of you. 1.00

01:29:04.000 And Vlad said, no, you won't, Mr. 1.00

01:29:06.000 And I said, well, I might.

01:29:06.000 President.

01:29:08.000 And then he said, if there's a 5% chance that the most powerful military force on planet Earth is going to bomb the shit out of you, you know what you don't do, go into Ukraine. 0.97

01:29:16.000 He's got that famous story, it was a phone call, I can't remember who it was with. 0.65

01:29:20.000 Taliban, Taliban, head of the Taliban.

01:29:22.000 Abdul, Abdul, Abdul, Abdul.

01:29:24.000 I slid the photo to him.

01:29:25.000 I'm sending you a picture of your house.

01:29:27.000 He said, why is it a picture of my house?

01:29:29.000 You'll have to figure that one out.

01:29:30.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:29:32.000 The version he told us was, because I'm going to bum this shit out of your house, Abdul. 1.00

01:29:37.000 Again, that is not the words of an isolationist. 0.99

01:29:39.000 That's the words of a person who's realistic about the use of American power and the reality.

01:29:43.000 Here's the problem with the sort of isolationist perspective and its classical definition.

01:29:47.000 The problem with the isolationist perspective and its classical definition is I think that actually most of the arguments that happen are among realists.

01:29:53.000 Neocons are people who believe that you can build a functioning democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq.

01:29:57.000 Okay, that's what neocons...

01:29:59.000 I mean, if you want to go back to what the movement was saying in...

01:30:01.000 Paul Wolfowitz and company, that's what they were saying in the actual 2003-2004.

01:30:04.000 You are not a neocon if you believe that the United States ought to fund Ukraine sufficient so that Russia doesn't walk into Kyiv. 0.53

01:30:10.000 That is not definitionally a neocon.

01:30:12.000 Okay, just to be clear about the...

01:30:13.000 They're different...

01:30:14.000 There are a bunch of realists and then there's a question between realists about particular military interventionists.

01:30:20.000 A full-scale isolationist will say, if America withdraws from the world, the world will be a nicer place because America will be less involved in places around the world.

01:30:27.000 And that's not true because then a vacuum occurs and it turns out...

01:30:30.000 Everybody on Earth has agency, not just the United States.

01:30:32.000 It turns out China has its own interests, and Russia has its own interests.

01:30:34.000 And those interests don't align with the United States very often.

01:30:37.000 That doesn't mean that every time Russia does something, it involves our core interests and we need to act, or that every time China does something, it involves our core interests.

01:30:44.000 That's where the realism comes in.

01:30:45.000 Is this enough of a threat to our core interests that we ought to either use force or threaten force or threaten tariffs or threaten some other form of interventionism?

01:30:54.000 But, you know, I think that the sort of conflation of all these foreign policy ideas into Donald Trump is an isolationist, which is why he was against the neocons.

01:31:00.000 Like that is a false divide, I think, in the way that we discuss foreign policy in the country.

01:31:04.000 And it's not realistic about actually how foreign policy is.

01:31:06.000 Unfortunately, I'm a little bit less hopeful than you are.

01:31:09.000 I think if either Kamala Harris or Donald Trump are elected, we are seeing American hegemony around the world waning, and we're seeing conflicts flare up as a result of that.

01:31:19.000 So Ukraine now is dealing with North Korean troops that North Korea is sending over.

01:31:23.000 Israel is already in a multi-front war against Iran and many of its proxies.

01:31:27.000 I feel like looking back in this in 10 years, we're going to say, oh, of course this was the start of another world war that we're dealing with.

01:31:32.000 Also, the people who Trump are surrounding himself with makes me feel a little uncertain with how we would move forward.

01:31:38.000 So, for example, J.D. Vance has probably embodied isolationism in the Republican Party more than anybody else, and that's the person he made his VP pick.

01:31:45.000 Okay, so I'm responding to a couple of those things.

01:31:47.000 One, I don't think it's true that if Donald Trump becomes president that we are on a sure road to World War III because deterrence is incredibly powerful.

01:31:53.000 And just to explain the situation on the ground, I think the most likely scenario in Ukraine, if Donald Trump becomes president, is that Trump says to Putin, I'm going to continue.

01:32:01.000 I can do this all day long.

01:32:02.000 You want to do this?

01:32:04.000 The Europeans will take the lead. 1.00

01:32:05.000 I'll make them pay more because it's what Trump likes to do.

01:32:07.000 And I will fund this all day long until such time as we draw the line.

01:32:11.000 And we know where the line is.

01:32:12.000 The line is Donbass and the line is Crimea.

01:32:13.000 And we'll solidify that and there'll be some mutual defense commitments.

01:32:16.000 But will the Republicans in the Senate support that?

01:32:18.000 Because that's where I guess I have...

01:32:19.000 If Trump wants it, 100% they'll support it because he's Donald Trump.

01:32:23.000 And by the way, again, I think that what he'll say is, I'm paying less than the Democrats would have because I'm going to make the Europeans pay more. 0.86

01:32:29.000 And he will.

01:32:29.000 He will get them to pay more.

01:32:30.000 And you know how I know this?

01:32:31.000 Because he did this with NATO. This is precisely what he did with NATO. Then, when it comes to Israel and its enemies in that area, what Donald Trump understands is that Israel does, in fact, have the strongest military in that region.

01:32:41.000 And so what he will say to Israel and to its enemies is, listen, we don't want any part of any war over there, so go finish up your business and do it fast.

01:32:48.000 This is exactly what he's saying right now.

01:32:50.000 He's saying to the Israel—I mean, I happen to know this—he's saying to the—I mean, he's saying publicly as well as privately.

01:32:55.000 He's saying to the Israeli government, if I get elected by January when I take office, I don't want this on my plate.

01:33:01.000 So what I would like you to do is go fast and go hard and finish up whatever it is that you think that you have to do. 0.98

01:33:06.000 And by the way, what Israel just demonstrated by blowing up the S-300s, which were the anti-missile and anti-aircraft weaponry shipped by the Russians to Iran in order to shoot down Israeli materiel, Israel blew up all that shit. 0.91

01:33:18.000 So what they actually showed is that if they want to hit the nuclear facilities, they can absolutely hit the nuclear facilities, which is probably what's going to happen, I would guess, over the next couple of months.

01:33:27.000 So, yes, things will calm in those areas.

01:33:29.000 But there's another piece, though, to the story.

01:33:31.000 We're talking about what happens if Donald Trump gets elected.

01:33:33.000 The question was, what happens either way?

01:33:35.000 So I want to speak for a moment about what happens if Kamala Harris becomes president.

01:33:40.000 This will be the least popular thing I've ever said with a camera pointed at me.

01:33:43.000 But the world is run by strong men who do not respect women.

01:33:47.000 And if you're going to ascend to the helm of the world's last remaining superpower, not only a woman, but a vacuous, vapid, perpetually stoned woman, you are actually inviting war. 1.00

01:34:01.000 Yeah.

01:34:02.000 What our enemies do, our enemies do not share these sort of Western liberal values about equality and respect for women and even all the way to gender confusion.

01:34:13.000 We have some ideas that are pretty novel in this society and we don't treat them like novel ideas.

01:34:19.000 We think that they're somehow universally accepted ideas.

01:34:22.000 The Chinese don't believe that a woman can run a superpower. 1.00

01:34:26.000 Vladimir Putin doesn't believe that a woman can run a superpower.

01:34:29.000 The Iranians don't believe that a woman can actually function. 1.00

01:34:32.000 They don't believe a woman can drive. 1.00

01:34:36.000 You know, the Iranians aren't wrong about everything.

01:34:38.000 I mean...

01:34:39.000 And they're going to test the first female president. 1.00

01:34:44.000 Now, this would be true no matter who the first female president is. 1.00

01:34:47.000 If America makes the decision that we should ascend a woman to the presidency, part of what is intrinsic to that decision, even if we don't acknowledge it to ourselves, is that we're inviting tests on the world stage from hostile actors. 0.98

01:35:00.000 We may conclude that it's worth that those tests in order to live in accordance with these values that we that we have.

01:35:07.000 But my question is, is it worth being tested for this woman, this woman who actually isn't strong, who isn't capable of facing down these threats? 0.82

01:35:16.000 You know, at least with Hillary Clinton, who I don't think could have faced down the threats either, but at least she was a tough old battle axe. 1.00

01:35:21.000 At least she had been secretary of state. 0.83

01:35:24.000 At least she had actually sat across the table from these people and won in negotiations with them.

01:35:28.000 At least her husband had been President and had deployed the US military to some effect in Europe and in Iraq.

01:35:35.000 But Kamala Harris does not instill fear in anyone, and fear is part of what makes a foreign policy work.

01:35:43.000 To your point, Ben, our enemies were afraid of Donald Trump.

01:35:46.000 They weren't afraid that Donald Trump was the great general.

01:35:48.000 They were afraid that he might do it.

01:35:50.000 And that enough when you sit at the helm of a superpower.

01:35:52.000 And there was an interesting debate after 9-11.

01:35:56.000 And the debate was, what would have happened if Al Gore had been president?

01:36:00.000 And And I cannot remember who wrote this because I was in my early 20s, so I don't remember the publication.

01:36:05.000 But I read a great story or a great essay about that basically postulated that perhaps Al Gore would have used nuclear weapons.

01:36:15.000 And everybody was kind of shocked.

01:36:16.000 Like, what do you mean Al Gore would have used nuclear weapons?

01:36:18.000 And the logic was Al Gore was broadly, widely perceived as being weak.

01:36:25.000 George W. Bush was widely considered strong.

01:36:29.000 His father had been the head of the CIA, vice president under Ronald Reagan, had led the greatest military victory in America, the fastest military victory over a major military in Iraq that had ever happened up until that point.

01:36:40.000 Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world in the 1990s.

01:36:45.000 So Bush was perceived as strong.

01:36:48.000 Gore was perceived as weak.

01:36:49.000 And what the thought experiment said is, when the exact same event happens to a weak man in the presidency that happens to a strong man, it's not that the weak man surrenders.

01:36:59.000 It's that the weak man overreacts.

01:37:01.000 Because the weak man's weakness is being blamed for the event, and so he has to show that he's strong, but he doesn't know what strength is, so he gives a caricature of strength.

01:37:09.000 And that's what I fear will happen under Kamala Harris.

01:37:11.000 She will be tested on the basis of her weakness, and she will respond with a caricature of what she believes that strength looks like, which will be an overcommitting of our forces, an overcommitting of our obligations around the world, and the world will become a much deadlier and much less safe place under Kamala Harris.

01:37:27.000 I want to ask Ben...

01:37:29.000 What were your thoughts on the Abraham Accords?

01:37:31.000 They're wonderful.

01:37:32.000 The Abraham Accords were great. 0.50

01:37:34.000 And by the way, they're incredibly durable.

01:37:36.000 One of the things that you may have noticed is they did not break during this entire intervening period.

01:37:40.000 By the way, the dirty little secret of that is because it turns out that the UAE and Bahrain and Morocco and the other countries that are members do not care as a top-line issue about the Palestinian issue because that is intractable.

01:37:51.000 It is not getting fixed anytime soon. 0.96

01:37:53.000 And putting that back at the center of every conversation is unbelievably stupid politics that leads to a fragmentary foreign policy. 0.98

01:38:01.000 I... Donald Trump has the best foreign policy of my lifetime. 0.99

01:38:03.000 I completely agree.

01:38:04.000 He crossed the DMZ into North Korea as a tremendous sign of peace.

01:38:07.000 I actually got to speak to some of the guys in Trump's team when I interviewed him.

01:38:11.000 And they're telling me the story how Trump decided...

01:38:13.000 At that moment, he was just going to walk into North Korea with no security. 0.57

01:38:16.000 They're freaking out.

01:38:17.000 They're like...

01:38:18.000 What do we do?

01:38:18.000 The president is now in literal enemy territory.

01:38:21.000 And I was welling up when I saw Trump do that.

01:38:24.000 I don't care what his motivations were.

01:38:25.000 They're going to say, oh, he's just trying to...

01:38:27.000 I don't care.

01:38:28.000 Let's get a president who's trying to bring about peace.

01:38:30.000 The Abraham Accords, I think, were absolutely fantastic.

01:38:32.000 We did not have an invasion of Ukraine.

01:38:34.000 Things were actually stabilizing.

01:38:37.000 When I was in Ukraine in 2013 and 2014...

01:38:41.000 And I was told it was a civil war that started.

01:38:43.000 I was there when it was a protest.

01:38:44.000 I leave.

01:38:45.000 Now there's sniper fire.

01:38:47.000 I came back in, I think it was 2016.

01:38:50.000 And my friends in Ukraine, they said, no, no, there's no civil war.

01:38:53.000 There's no separatists.

01:38:54.000 It's all over.

01:38:54.000 And I was like, wow.

01:38:56.000 I was like, or actually, I'm sorry, this was 2017, 2018 when I came back.

01:38:59.000 Once Trump got in, those things simmered down.

01:39:02.000 Then Biden gets in and it's the worst we've seen.

01:39:07.000 But I bring this up because I was talking to Dave Smith about this.

01:39:10.000 And he said, no, Tim, the Abraham Accords were bad.

01:39:12.000 And Dave, forgive me if I'm misquoting you.

01:39:14.000 I'm trying to do my best.

01:39:16.000 So I'll paraphrase.

01:39:17.000 He said, the Abraham Accords isolated Hamas and the Palestinians, causing an overreaction at giving Iran the opportunity to strike on October 7th.

01:39:27.000 And if we didn't have the Abraham Accords, it wouldn't have undermined their negotiating power. 0.64

01:39:32.000 I disagree with him.

01:39:34.000 And again, if I'm getting your position wrong, Dave, forgive me, but my position was we're not going to ignore peace opportunity because terrorists are threatening violence.

01:39:43.000 We are going to negotiate peace between countries and try to bring about the best of our abilities, economic stability and international stability, even if that means crazy people might do crazy things.

01:39:52.000 But I will add on top of this, Dave Smith is now voting for Donald Trump.

01:39:55.000 So it seems even in these disagreements, everyone's kind of aligned in this position where what else can we do?

01:40:01.000 Well, I mean, the bottom line is that the effects are the effect.

01:40:04.000 Was it a more peaceful world under Donald Trump, regardless of what you think the rationale for that piece was?

01:40:07.000 The answer is obviously yes.

01:40:09.000 Now, I think I have a good read on Donald Trump's foreign policy.

01:40:11.000 Obviously, I've spoken with many people who are forming his foreign policy and who will likely form his foreign policy once again, because, again, Donald Trump is not a micromanager, right?

01:40:19.000 He delegates large swaths of his policy to other people.

01:40:23.000 The one thing that I know about President Trump is that he calms the waters internationally because he is willing to fill the space.

01:40:31.000 If the United States does not fill the space, somebody else fills the space.

01:40:37.000 What do you think about, there was this story that came out that one of the American servicemen was working on the pier in Gaza has died.

01:40:43.000 Yeah, I'm curious of your thoughts. 1.00

01:40:44.000 Because that's a fucking dumbass move. 1.00

01:40:46.000 Why are you building a stupid pier off the Mediterranean in order to ship aid into an area that was completely run by the UNRWA, which is a front group for Hamas or Hamas itself. 1.00

01:40:55.000 The problem wasn't the supply into the surrounding area of the Gaza Strip. 0.99

01:40:59.000 There's plenty of aid right around the Gaza Strip.

01:41:01.000 Israel's been shipping in like 25, 3,000 calories per day per person in the Gaza Strip for legitimately months at this point.

01:41:07.000 The problem is, once you get it in, Hamas then hijacks it, and then proceeds to sell it at marked-up prices, the stuff that they're not using for their own terrorists. 1.00

01:41:13.000 So, what a stupid-ass idea. 1.00

01:41:15.000 We're going to build a pier in the Mediterranean. 1.00

01:41:17.000 This asshole can't even build a bridge. 1.00

01:41:19.000 He can't build a bridge. 1.00

01:41:20.000 He's going to build a pier, and we're going to put American soldiers there, in the line of fire, by the way, in order to accomplish that. 1.00

01:41:26.000 What absolute idiocy. 0.99

01:41:28.000 Every element of his foreign policy is just as asterisk. 1.00

01:41:31.000 Can I follow up with you on something on the Abraham Accords?

01:41:33.000 Obviously very important, and I like the direction that it's going in, but what it comes down to really is that Saudi Arabia, well, they're not in the Abraham Accords yet, but this is a common interest against Iranian influence in the area.

01:41:45.000 But however, for many of these countries, the actual population still hates Israelis and Jews.

01:41:50.000 Down the line, do you think there's going to be a lasting peace with these accords, if they ever become democracies or anything?

01:41:55.000 The dirty secret is that democracy does not work everywhere.

01:41:59.000 It does not work everywhere.

01:42:00.000 Okay, the United States presided over an election in the Gaza Strip in 2006, and Hamas won.

01:42:05.000 Okay, that's the dirty secret about the Palestinian population in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. 1.00

01:42:08.000 They largely, not largely, overwhelmingly...

01:42:11.000 Democracy worked in the wrong way.

01:42:12.000 Overwhelmingly support terrorism and overwhelmingly support Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Palestinian Authority.

01:42:19.000 That's not just unique there, right?

01:42:20.000 I mean, you've seen democracy fail in Afghanistan, democracy failed largely, or at least partially, in Iraq.

01:42:25.000 Like, democracy is hard. 0.98

01:42:27.000 It takes rooted institutions, centuries, to emerge with a functioning democracy, unless you happen to be lucky enough for us to kick your ass in a world war and then occupy our country for 70, 80 years. 0.93

01:42:35.000 If you're lucky enough for that to happen, we can turn you into a thriving democracy right quick.

01:42:38.000 Turns out we did that in Germany and Japan, but even in places where we actually won a war, like South Korea, it took several decades in order for a functional democracy to emerge in South Korea.

01:42:46.000 It took several decades for a functional democracy to emerge in Taiwan.

01:42:49.000 And so this idea that you need a functional democracy in Bahrain, No, actually what you need is stability and an emergency of property rights and an educational system that teaches you maybe that all the problems in your life are not the Jews who you've never met and need to murder. 0.96

01:43:06.000 So if you do that for several generations, then you might get...

01:43:08.000 By the way, that is not a point about the people in those areas.

01:43:11.000 That is a point about people in general.

01:43:13.000 It turns out that it took centuries for democracy to emerge in the West.

01:43:16.000 We take it all for granted, okay?

01:43:17.000 The first votes that were taking place were taking place not all that long ago on the European continent, right?

01:43:22.000 I mean, the first votes that were happening on the European continent with any serious ramifications were happening in, like, maybe the 17th century, like, early 17th century in places like Great Britain when Parliament was finally starting to, you know, make its way after the Glorious Revolution.

01:43:35.000 Like, what are we talking about here?

01:43:37.000 This idea that you can, like, go to places that have never seen democracy ever, and we're just going to, like, overthrow the king, and boom.

01:43:43.000 There's a situation.

01:43:44.000 I won't name this.

01:43:46.000 Jordan.

01:43:47.000 Jordan is 70% Palestinian.

01:43:49.000 The queen is a person named Queen Rania.

01:43:51.000 She's ethnically Palestinian.

01:43:53.000 And she goes all over the world talking about the need for a Palestinian state.

01:43:56.000 This is what she said. 1.00

01:43:57.000 Israeli atrocities, genocide, all this bullshit. 1.00

01:44:00.000 But here's the thing. 0.99

01:44:01.000 If she wants a functioning Palestinian state tomorrow, a functioning democratic Palestinian state tomorrow, all she has to do is declare an election in Jordan.

01:44:07.000 And one of two things will happen.

01:44:09.000 Either it will turn into a multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religious paradise, or she'll be hanging from a crane. 0.98

01:44:14.000 One of those two things will happen, and it's not going to be the former.

01:44:18.000 And so Donald Trump understands that.

01:44:19.000 People in the Middle East understand that.

01:44:21.000 It turns out that, you know, the world is a complicated and ugly place.

01:44:25.000 But the only way that we ever get to peace and stasis is actually through more American power in the world, not less.

01:44:31.000 Let's jump to this story.

01:44:32.000 Squeeze this one in from the Post Millennial.

01:44:34.000 John Fetterman admits Kamala's border bill would grant mass amnesty to illegal immigrants in the U.S. and not secure the border.

01:44:40.000 Man, Joe Rogan doing some of the best work of his career, in my opinion.

01:44:44.000 I mean, I love that he endorsed Donald Trump just recently, but in this video, he presses Fetterman, asks him, he says, you bring in illegal immigrants, you give them benefits, you give them a place to live, you put them in a swing state, then you grant amnesty, they're going to vote for you.

01:44:56.000 Fetterman then, hems and haws, ah, blah, blah.

01:44:59.000 Rogan asks him again, and then finally Fetterman says, it's undeniably true.

01:45:04.000 Undeniably true.

01:45:04.000 Let me just jump to the end on this one.

01:45:08.000 Those states and turn them blue forever.

01:45:11.000 Well, I'm not really sure if that's what's in play.

01:45:16.000 I think it's really important that we have to have an honest conversation.

01:45:20.000 But doesn't that seem logical, though?

01:45:21.000 If you have a significant number of people that are being moved into swing states that have come across the border illegally, and then you've provided them with all these services, you've provided them with food stamps, EBT, you've provided them with housing...

01:45:34.000 You could, if you gave those people amnesty and allowed those people to vote, and it was very organized, you're talking about 75,000 votes over a few counties that switched everything over to the Republicans.

01:45:46.000 You could see how you import 10 million people over the course of four years. 0.69

01:45:53.000 And then move a significant number of them to swing states and then provide them with all these services and then give them a path to citizenship, you could essentially rig those states.

01:46:04.000 Undeniably, immigration is changing our nation. 1.00

01:46:07.000 I mean, I haven't spent a lot of time in Texas, but it's very clear that immigration has remade Texas. 0.75

01:46:12.000 And I think generally it's for a good thing.

01:46:16.000 Now, it does cut off.

01:46:17.000 I think it's fair to say he's not saying undeniably you are rigging those states.

01:46:21.000 Agreed.

01:46:22.000 He's saying undeniably immigration is reshaping the structure of these states like Texas.

01:46:26.000 It's called the Refugee Resettlement Program.

01:46:30.000 It's run by the Department of Health and Human Services.

01:46:32.000 You can Google it.

01:46:33.000 It's on their website, on the HHS website.

01:46:36.000 It's a real thing.

01:46:37.000 And if you look at the numbers...

01:46:39.000 I don't have them in front of me, but there are a lot of the blue states or a lot of the purple states have seen like 400% increase in refugees that have gone in.

01:46:49.000 So this is not something that's made up.

01:46:52.000 Again, anyone can go to the Department of Health and Human Services website and you just have to look for the refugee resettlement program.

01:46:59.000 It's a real thing.

01:47:00.000 It is actually happening in the United States.

01:47:03.000 And for any Democrats that deny it, I mean, you can present them with the website on HHS's site.

01:47:11.000 They're not denying it because they don't know.

01:47:14.000 But this is what they always do.

01:47:15.000 I think he got cut off at the end of that clip where he said, yeah, it's a good thing.

01:47:18.000 But they always do this.

01:47:19.000 They're like, no, it's not happening.

01:47:20.000 It's not happening.

01:47:21.000 And then they're like, okay, yes, it's happening, but it's a good thing.

01:47:24.000 That's what they always do.

01:47:25.000 That's true.

01:47:26.000 But the average person, the average voter, the average marginally informed person that has maybe a half an hour to an hour worth of news diet per week, they listen and they say, no, it's not happening.

01:47:38.000 Just like Tim was talking about earlier with his friend about abortion.

01:47:43.000 And I've had a lot of friends where I talk about the Second Amendment and I'm like, look, they really do want to go after semi-automatic rifles.

01:47:49.000 And they're like, no, no, no, they don't.

01:47:50.000 And I... Show them Joe Biden saying we're coming for blah, blah, blah.

01:47:54.000 And they're like, no, they don't.

01:47:55.000 There's a lot of people that don't realize what the Democrats actually are pushing for or what the government is actually doing.

01:48:02.000 And when you present them with this stuff, you can actually change People's minds.

01:48:07.000 And it's hard work.

01:48:08.000 I understand.

01:48:08.000 It's slow when you're dealing individually.

01:48:11.000 But, I mean, with a platform like we have here tonight, this is part of the reason why I really was hoping that Tim was going to bring this up.

01:48:16.000 Because I wanted to point out that HHS has a policy.

01:48:19.000 This is real.

01:48:20.000 And the government is actually doing it.

01:48:22.000 And they're doing it on your dime.

01:48:24.000 I'm not big on saying the government is spending your tax dollars because modern monetary theory doesn't work that way and etc.

01:48:32.000 But...

01:48:33.000 Essentially, the government is saying, we're going to use federal money to change the electorate in states that will affect the results in the favor of the Democrats.

01:48:43.000 The real question that we should be asking is, like, why is the border open?

01:48:47.000 I mean, it's the most obvious question in the world.

01:48:48.000 Like, why was the border open?

01:48:49.000 And to my mind, unless somebody can come up with a plausible fourth explanation, there are only three plausible explanations.

01:48:55.000 One is exactly this, right?

01:48:56.000 You want to ship in a bunch of people who you're then going to move around the country. 0.81

01:48:59.000 You're going to change the demographic of the country so that people can vote who couldn't vote before, and you think that they share your values. 0.86

01:49:06.000 And people say that that's, you know, a form of great replacement theory. 1.00

01:49:08.000 That's stupid. 0.96

01:49:09.000 Roy Teixeira, who's a left-wing theorist, had been basically claiming that this was the way the country was going to go, you know, since the mid-2000s. 1.00

01:49:16.000 There's nothing new about that.

01:49:18.000 That's not even an argument against it.

01:49:20.000 It's just the description of reality.

01:49:21.000 So, you're either doing it because what you wish to do is add an entire new voting population, or two, you think that America bears some sort of bizarre blood guilt for its existence, and everyone is owed entry to the United States.

01:49:31.000 And you do hear this in some of the more extreme circles of the lab, this idea that your status as a refugee means you automatically are granted some sort of admission to the United States.

01:49:40.000 Not that another country in between should take you, right?

01:49:42.000 That if you stop off in France...

01:49:44.000 And then you want to go to the U.S. You should be able to be led in the U.S. You shouldn't have to, you know, attempt to gain citizenship in France or stop anywhere along the way.

01:49:50.000 And there is that element to the left that basically says, you know, you're the ones who took land and you moved the borders and now you expect people.

01:49:57.000 So that does exist.

01:49:58.000 And then there's the third group of people, or the third possible reason.

01:50:01.000 And the third possible reason is if you build an entire economy on the basis of welfare economics and not producing any children, you need...

01:50:08.000 A new demographic base in order to support this giant governmental structure and unworkable labor system that you've created. 0.73

01:50:15.000 And that is obviously true.

01:50:17.000 I mean, the reality is that if you unionize all the labor in the United States and if you then create a massive welfare system, who pays for all of this?

01:50:25.000 Who pays for all this?

01:50:26.000 You're not having any kids.

01:50:27.000 The demographics in the United States are upside down, just as they are in pretty much every Western country.

01:50:32.000 And that means that you're going to need to import a vast population of people. 0.98

01:50:35.000 And when Democrats talk about people coming in, this is how they talk about them.

01:50:38.000 Who's going to clean your...

01:50:39.000 I mean, it sounds racist.

01:50:40.000 They'll say, like, who's going to clean your...

01:50:41.000 Who's going to pick your fruits and vegetables? 1.00

01:50:44.000 I mean, the people who were before this was happening, I assume.

01:50:47.000 I've read estimates that it's about 2.8 to 4 workers to pay for one Social Security recipient.

01:50:52.000 So, if that's the case...

01:50:55.000 It's moving toward two.

01:50:55.000 It's moving toward two to one.

01:50:56.000 Two to one?

01:50:57.000 Two to one.

01:50:58.000 But that means without children, you need a labor force to come in to maintain the system. 0.99

01:51:03.000 The reasonable response to this is to have pro-family policies, which we don't have.

01:51:07.000 Clearly, the Democrats are completely against any type of pro-family policies.

01:51:11.000 Well, I think that here we do have to distinguish between what I think politicians talk about as pro-family policies and what actually induces people to have more kids.

01:51:18.000 So I think that both Democrats and Republicans have a record of talking about pro-family policies as though this means paid parental leave and greater tax subsidies for people who are having kids.

01:51:27.000 And, you know, some of that sounds fine to me.

01:51:29.000 Like, listen, if you want to exempt me from taxes because I have four kids, I'm all for it.

01:51:32.000 But here's the thing.

01:51:33.000 I would have four kids whether you exempted me from taxes or not.

01:51:35.000 Because the real gap in the United States is not between people who are on the margin about having a kid and not because of economic circumstance.

01:51:41.000 The real problem in the United States ain't nobody going to church.

01:51:44.000 That's the real problem in the United States.

01:51:46.000 You want people to have babies? 1.00

01:51:47.000 The reason people have babies in modern society is because there is a religious obligation to have babies.

01:51:51.000 This is the most robust social science finding that is available.

01:51:54.000 You don't even need to do a study.

01:51:56.000 Mormons have lots of kids.

01:51:57.000 Religious Catholics have lots of kids.

01:51:58.000 Orthodox Jews have lots of kids.

01:52:00.000 Secular atheists have no kids. 1.00

01:52:01.000 Muslims have lots of kids. 0.97

01:52:03.000 Muslims have tons of kids.

01:52:04.000 Why?

01:52:04.000 Because it turns out when you believe that your function on this planet is to have kids and then raise them, then this is what you're going to do.

01:52:11.000 And if not, it turns out kids are a giant pain in the ass and a waste of time and a huge economic expense. 0.98

01:52:17.000 I mean, it used to be, back in the olden days, they were labor for your farm, but nobody's doing that anymore. 0.99

01:52:20.000 Now they're a giant expense.

01:52:21.000 So exactly what is the upside of having kids when you could have...

01:52:24.000 A cute dog that you carry around in a purse or something.

01:52:26.000 The first thing God says to man is be fruitful and multiply.

01:52:29.000 Before sin even enters the world, God says be fruitful and multiply.

01:52:32.000 It's the original purpose, from a religious point of view, the original purpose of man.

01:52:37.000 But this incentive thing that you talk about is really important.

01:52:39.000 So the idea of government policy to incentivize people to have children, Seamus and I were actually talking about this before the show, that it's actually a left-wing point of view that essentially says that good spiritual fruit is born out of materialist seeds.

01:52:57.000 That essentially we're good if the economics are there for us to be good.

01:53:01.000 And reality always works exactly the opposite of that, right, that actually in the long term for society materialist success is born out of spiritual seeds.

01:53:10.000 But I would say the fact that we changed all the economics around having a child are the reason that we now think that it is fundamentally an economic issue.

01:53:19.000 It isn't fundamentally an economic issue, but there is an economic component, and we broke the economic component.

01:53:24.000 It used to be that having children made you wealthier, and now having children makes you poorer, which obviously, in an already spiritually distressed society, does disincentivize people to have children.

01:53:35.000 Huh?

01:53:36.000 100%.

01:53:36.000 We were talking about this a few months ago, that people say, oh, it's too expensive to have kids only because the market doesn't exist because people aren't having kids.

01:53:44.000 So there are less people doing the job, driving prices up, and it becomes harder over time.

01:53:48.000 But I agree about the religion components of people having kids.

01:53:53.000 I also think there's a propagandistic component coming from Malthusians and liberals.

01:53:59.000 And I think it's a trick and a lie. 0.95

01:54:02.000 And shout out to you, Ben, for when you were talking about Chelsea Handler, how this is a woman who made a video where she says she wakes up late, does drugs and masturbates, and she's never happier. 0.88

01:54:12.000 And you were saying that woman is miserable, she's not happy. 1.00

01:54:15.000 You know, my response was, I think she's happier than a pig and shit, but she's going to be on her deathbed. 1.00

01:54:19.000 She's going to be in a hospital when she's 79 or whatever. 1.00

01:54:22.000 The doctor's going to walk into a dark, sterile room and say, Ms.

01:54:26.000 Handler, is there anyone I should call?

01:54:28.000 And she's going to say no, and he's going to say, press the button if you need us, and he's going to leave her there.

01:54:32.000 And that is a horror story for any human being.

01:54:35.000 That is a great point of view from a man who is not yet a father.

01:54:39.000 Soon to be.

01:54:40.000 And God bless you for it.

01:54:42.000 But you will discover, and it'll be fun to come on the show and talk about this in, say, five years.

01:54:48.000 As has been said by wiser men than I, it is a great act of God's grace that he does not allow people without children to know what they're missing. 0.92

01:54:58.000 And so, I do think that Chelsea Handler does drugs and masturbates and is happy. 0.99

01:55:04.000 I do believe that she's happy. 0.98

01:55:06.000 She's happy within the maximal amount of happiness that she is capable of attaining to.

01:55:14.000 And she is not even aware, because God is nice to people with no children and blinds them, she's not even aware that she hasn't even scratched the surface of human happiness.

01:55:24.000 She doesn't know that her cup is like, it's like that funny moment when I was a kid, before Dumbo, there were the little cartoons, and one of them was Mickey and the Beanstalk.

01:55:33.000 You remember Mickey and the Beanstalk?

01:55:35.000 The slices of bread?

01:55:36.000 It's like that one, but it's the stairs.

01:55:38.000 They get up, and they're in the giant land, right?

01:55:41.000 And it's Mickey and the boys.

01:55:43.000 They're in the land of the giants, and they come up to this giant wall, and they can hear the golden harp singing on the other side of the wall, so they attempt to scale the wall.

01:55:50.000 And it's classic cartoon, you know, I put my hands together, and you step on, and then you step on my head, and finally you get up, and then you reach down.

01:55:56.000 They finally get up, and it takes all this effort, and they get up on top of the wall, and then they turn around, and the camera zooms out, and it's not a wall at all.

01:56:02.000 It was a step.

01:56:04.000 But it was a giant step.

01:56:05.000 And there are a hundred more giant steps in front of them.

01:56:08.000 And Chelsea Handler is standing at the top of that wall of happiness looking down at the total amount of misery that she's even aware of.

01:56:17.000 And she's up on top of it.

01:56:18.000 She's like, I couldn't be happier.

01:56:19.000 And when you have a child, you turn around and you go, there are 100 more steps of happiness that I did not even know were possible.

01:56:27.000 And I will have to suffer to get up every one of those steps because it's not easy to have a kid.

01:56:32.000 I'll suffer every one of these steps, but I will know more and more and more joy.

01:56:36.000 And I will just say, because every parent knows this, of which I am only now discovering as I am soon to be a dad, is the first images that I saw of my soon-to-be daughter is an indescribable feeling.

01:56:48.000 And that's why I really hammer in the, we are being lied to, and the machine is trying to lie to people.

01:56:55.000 Because I can only say to people who have not yet had a family, and we're working on it, we're not even there yet, I can't imagine what it's going to be like seeing my actual child, seeing just the ultrasound and all of these photos, indescribable, and you guys give me this look, and you know, and I don't, but I've looked through the keyhole, and I just got to say, they're lying to you about what it's like.

01:57:18.000 When the media says they've got this Time Magazine cover, The Easy Life, and it's two people looking all, you know, posh and fancy, and they're living good, and I'm like, mmm, man.

01:57:27.000 But what I will say is this, is I believed you guys.

01:57:30.000 And I believed what everybody had been saying about having a family.

01:57:33.000 And the story of Chelsea Handler is a horror story.

01:57:38.000 So I agree.

01:57:39.000 And I also think that we use in the West the wrong definition.

01:57:42.000 It's a modern definition of happiness.

01:57:43.000 We say that she's happy.

01:57:44.000 The ancient definition of happiness was happiness over a lifetime.

01:57:48.000 It was all of your accomplishments stacked over the course of your lifetime.

01:57:52.000 What we're talking about is pleasure.

01:57:54.000 Right?

01:57:54.000 In the moment, she's experiencing pleasure.

01:57:55.000 Okay, pleasure makes you feel good.

01:57:57.000 Like, that's fine.

01:57:58.000 That's good.

01:57:58.000 Pleasure's good.

01:57:59.000 But that is not what happiness is made of.

01:58:01.000 The things where you feel the greatest happiness in your life are the things that you've invested time and effort and sweat equity in.

01:58:07.000 The things that you've really, you know, done your duty, the things you're proud of, those are the things that make you truly...

01:58:12.000 Like, when you think about your own life, you don't think about the moments of, like...

01:58:15.000 Even if you're thinking about vacation, you're thinking about what did you have to do to get on that vacation?

01:58:18.000 And vacation is never as enjoyable as it is the first day.

01:58:21.000 The first day when you first get there, you're like, oh my God, look what I've been able to do.

01:58:24.000 And then three or four days in, you're like, but you know you're going to have to go back to work and do it all over again, right?

01:58:28.000 The happiness is what you do over the course of a good life, right?

01:58:32.000 This is an Aristotelian point.

01:58:33.000 This isn't even a religious point, per se.

01:58:37.000 Virtue done over the course of a long life ends in eudaimonia.

01:58:40.000 It ends in happiness.

01:58:41.000 And that is an important, important thing.

01:58:42.000 And kids are work, man. 1.00

01:58:44.000 They are such a pain in the ass. 1.00

01:58:45.000 I got four of them. 1.00

01:58:46.000 I got ten, eight, four, and one.

01:58:47.000 And they're all wonderful, and they're all horrible, and they're the best thing that's ever happened to me by far.

01:58:52.000 My wife, my kids, by far the best thing.

01:58:54.000 The way that I describe it, the way Jeremy's describing it, obviously, we're in the same boat as far as having families, is that when you're a single person, your spectrum of joy in life goes from zero to ten.

01:59:05.000 Okay, like, zero is, like, things suck.

01:59:07.000 They're not good. 0.99

01:59:08.000 They're rotten.

01:59:09.000 I mean, we've all done it, right?

01:59:10.000 And ten is like, okay, you had a great day.

01:59:12.000 Everything was awesome.

01:59:13.000 You had a Chelsea handler.

01:59:14.000 Wondrous day.

01:59:15.000 And then you get married.

01:59:16.000 And your spectrum broadens now.

01:59:18.000 Now it's, like, up to a positive 20 because when you're with your spouse and it's great, it's the best thing happening in your life.

01:59:22.000 And then to negative 20 also because when something bad happens to your spouse, it's way worse than when something bad happens to you.

01:59:27.000 Like, way, way worse.

01:59:29.000 If something terrible happens to my wife, it's significantly worse than if something bad happens to me.

01:59:32.000 And then you have kids.

01:59:34.000 All limits are now removed.

01:59:35.000 Literally all limits are removed.

01:59:37.000 The best things that happen in your life are always, always 100% of the time things that are happening with your kids, and the worst things that are happening in your life are 100% of the time things that are happening with your kids.

01:59:47.000 If you've ever had a kid with a health problem, So, you know, obviously, my first daughter, thank God, she's totally fine, but when she was born, she was born with a hole in her heart.

01:59:54.000 She had, like, a full open heart surgery when she was a year and a half old.

01:59:56.000 They cut open her chest, the whole thing.

01:59:58.000 It was, thank God, great surgeon in L.A., actually the same surgeon that Jimmy Kimmel then used.

02:00:04.000 His kid had a similar condition, and then he claimed that it was all about public health care and all this.

02:00:08.000 And on the basis of his kid's surgery, he said this was the case for public health care.

02:00:12.000 Like, dude, I use the same surgeon.

02:00:13.000 I can make the out.

02:00:13.000 Anyway.

02:00:14.000 But, you know, when something bad happens to your kid, it's awful, but...

02:00:18.000 Your kids are everything, because in the end, the only thing, when you ask people what matters in life, truly what matters in life, what I think what matters in life, It's always been true and it's still true.

02:00:29.000 Go to a cemetery, look what's written on the headstones. 0.96

02:00:32.000 What's written on the headstones is not masturbate and did pot. 0.88

02:00:36.000 What's written on the headstone is the role that you fulfilled, the duty that you did.

02:00:40.000 It is beloved father, beloved husband, beloved wife, beloved sister.

02:00:44.000 It's all the things you were to everybody around you.

02:00:47.000 This is the stuff that happiness and true happiness are made of.

02:00:49.000 I can also say, last thing, that you will discover when you have children that being an older father is a blessing.

02:01:02.000 And it's one of the sad tricks that we should have children when we're young, but having children when we're young prevents us from seeing something that we get to see as old fathers, which is that you no longer have any fear of missing out.

02:01:15.000 Like, you've...

02:01:17.000 You've ridden all the skateboards.

02:01:20.000 You've done all the things.

02:01:21.000 You've been famous.

02:01:22.000 You've made money.

02:01:23.000 You've achieved all these enormous successes in your life.

02:01:26.000 You've had all these enormous experiences.

02:01:28.000 You've been in Ukraine at least twice that we've talked about just on this show.

02:01:33.000 You're just going to want to go home and see your kid.

02:01:35.000 And when young people have kids, they sometimes think, this kid is preventing me from knowing the actual fullness of what life is supposed to be.

02:01:43.000 And only those of us who've gotten to experience it from the other point of view.

02:01:45.000 I've achieved all the things that you were supposed to, that you might daydream of achieving.

02:01:50.000 And I kind of resented being on your show tonight.

02:01:51.000 I love being on your show.

02:01:52.000 It's so much fun. 1.00

02:01:53.000 I kind of resented it because I was like, well, I'm going to have to be here late tomorrow night for the stupid election. 0.99

02:01:57.000 When am I going to see my daughter, you know? 0.98

02:01:59.000 Gentlemen, we're going to go to members only.

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02:02:11.000 I mean, for a lot of guys out there that are having a hard time, join the TimCast.com Discord server and there's tens of thousands of people who will talk to you and share similar ideas.

02:02:19.000 So check that out.

02:02:20.000 And again, smash the like button.

02:02:22.000 Ben, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:24.000 Well, you go check out my show tomorrow, Ben Shapiro's show, and obviously check out our election coverage.

02:02:28.000 Tons of it starting, I think, election wire begins at like 2 p.m.

02:02:31.000 Eastern time, I believe, tomorrow.

02:02:33.000 And then we will be live on the air beginning 5 p.m., I believe.

02:02:36.000 5 p.m.?

02:02:37.000 And it's 5 p.m.

02:02:37.000 until the rest of our lives.

02:02:39.000 Yeah.

02:02:40.000 The only thing that I would shout out is that we're going to have the crossover event of the year tomorrow night because Tim Cast and Daily Wire's Election 2024 coverage will, for at least moments of the evening tomorrow, try our best to be one show.

02:02:53.000 It's not an all-night thing, but we're going to have some back on fire.

02:02:56.000 It's going to be awesome.

02:02:57.000 Right on.

02:02:58.000 My name's Alad Eliyahu.

02:03:00.000 I'm a journalist here at TimCast News, Daily Wire team.

02:03:02.000 Ben, Jeremy, thank you so much for having us.

02:03:04.000 It was an honor to be on with you guys.

02:03:06.000 Phil?

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02:03:20.000 Mary?

02:03:21.000 Yes, I will also be hanging out here tomorrow and you should go subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis in the meantime and follow me on Instagram or X at Mary Archived.

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