Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boring join host Phil Labonte to discuss the latest in the latest election night polls, including a new CNN poll and a Joe Rogan interview with John Fetterman. Plus, Phil and Ben are joined by the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, Phil Lament.
00:00:30.000Well, not surprised, but it's a strange feeling having made it all the way to election eve, and it's just wide speculation.
00:00:39.000We've got this poll from Ann Seltzer, who Nate Silver says is one of their highest rated pollsters, but she's claiming Iowa is going Paris.
00:00:46.000At the same time, she's on camera saying, I don't know what D and R means in a poll, so I don't know how much I trust that.
00:03:42.000So, obviously, on the election eve, everybody's deeply concerned about what's going to happen, and, man, you know, I gotta be honest, I was asking, Phil, do we want to lead with this?
00:03:52.000It's a little aggressive, but what are we supposed to say?
00:03:55.000This is what everyone's worried about.
00:03:56.000The stories from today, just from a few moments ago, published by The Telegraph, snipers ready for counts and D.C. boards up as election violence fears grow.
00:04:07.000Major protests predicted amid concerns Donald Trump and supporters would refuse to accept the loss.
00:04:12.000They're going to mention National Guard is on standby in Washington, Oregon, Nevada.
00:04:18.000The National Guard has been placed on standby to deal with riots and civil unrest, which could begin as early as Wednesday.
00:04:26.000My questions are, first of all, about the locations.
00:04:28.000You'll notice that the places that they're citing, the places they're boarding up, not a lot of MAGA voters in those particular places, right?
00:04:35.000Like the odd Jussie Smollett, you know, actual perp, I guess.
00:04:39.000Like Washington, Oregon, Nevada, there are some Trump voters, obviously.
00:04:43.000But Washington and Oregon, they're pretty much none, unless you're talking like Eastern Washington, maybe Southern Oregon.
00:04:48.000And then if you're looking at the cities, they're talking about Detroit and Atlanta, which are both hotspots for Democratic voting.
00:04:53.000So it seems like the headline doesn't match the actual story, which is that if Trump wins, a bunch of people are going to burn some shit down.
00:04:59.000It literally says, major protests predicted amid concerns Trump and supporters would refuse to accept the loss.
00:05:04.000By the way, the National Guard is in Democrat districts.
00:05:06.000I saw your tweet earlier today, Ben, and I retweeted it, and I'm completely of the same mind.
00:05:11.000It's ridiculous that they imply that it's MAGA voters or whatever when all of the rioting we've seen about almost everything has been from the left.
00:05:21.000In 2016, there was a riot in Washington, D.C. when Donald Trump won.
00:05:25.000On Inauguration Day, there was a big riot in Washington, D.C. And everyone sort of memory holds that one.
00:05:29.000I mean, obviously they're not doing it right.
00:05:31.000If you're going to board up your windows, we know you have to write BLM on the boards.
00:05:35.000That is the way that you avoid your store being burned down.
00:05:38.000That's how you're passed over when the angel of death comes down.
00:05:47.000In Oakland, it's perpetually like this, or Berkeley.
00:05:50.000All of the businesses, I saw it was an Asian fingernail salon with all of this leftist literature, and I'm like, look, those poor immigrants in there have no idea what that stuff is, but they know why they're putting it there.
00:06:20.000As they're getting in their car, a car pulls up right in front of them.
00:06:23.000Three guys jump out, grab him, pull him out of the car, rip off his watch, rip off his keys, rip off his phone, run around to her, try to rip off her jewelry, and then she starts fussing a little bit, she starts yelling, and so they jump back in the car and take off right down the street.
00:06:36.000I mean, that's what's happened in the major city.
00:06:50.000Did they fluff the numbers or just didn't release the numbers from the FBI? They released them late, yeah.
00:06:57.000You know, I had a conversation with Sam Seder just this past weekend, or this Friday, and it was interesting because he pointed out that the economy looks good on paper.
00:07:07.000But it's because wealthy people and big corporations are making a lot of money, but your average person is not.
00:07:11.000And I was like, well, that's very honest from a very liberal guy.
00:07:15.000The numbers look good because we're looking at these big corporations that seem to be doing well, but regular people are feeling the groceries through the roof.
00:07:22.000Then you look at the crime stats and I think what they're missing when they say, oh, but relatively crime is down compared to, you know, however many years ago.
00:07:31.000Yes, but what crime is up and what crime is down?
00:07:33.000If overall, like, shoplifting goes up, that's going to affect the numbers.
00:07:37.000I think that's one of the points he made.
00:07:38.000Shoplifting is skyrocketing, so the crime rates do go up.
00:07:40.000But if, like, small property crimes of, you know, vandalism may be on people's properties going down, but muggings and murders and things like that are going up, Also, a lot of that stuff is getting reclassified by the cops.
00:07:51.000So the cops aren't actually policing a lot of the small crimes because they're afraid that if they get caught on camera policing it, maybe they go to jail.
00:07:56.000I mean, I'm talking to a lot of these cops in these cities.
00:07:58.000Again, I have a bunch of friends in LAPD, one in particular.
00:08:01.000They're all looking to retire early and get the hell out and move away from Los Angeles.
00:08:06.000I mean, these are some of the most understaffed major cities.
00:08:08.000L.A. has the worst ratio of police to population of any major city in America, which is why it took 15 minutes for anybody to respond to the 911 phone call.
00:08:20.000And he just takes off down the street.
00:08:22.000So, although this is, I think, for this article from The Telegraph, I think it's a little bit narrowly focused on only violence potentially from Trump supporters.
00:08:29.000But there's a grain and truth in that the election is most likely, you know, we're not going to get the results for a few days.
00:08:34.000And whatever side loses will most definitely deny the results in either a highbrow or lowbrow way that could potentially lead to some sort of violence, either fringe violence in Seattle or, depending on how bad it could get, I don't know what we should expect, but I don't think these stories are wrong to prepare like this, especially given what we're hearing in the media and how close the election will be.
00:08:54.000No, the rhetoric's been ratcheted up so far in the country.
00:08:58.000And you could say on both sides, except that one side, at the worst you can say they have bad rhetoric, the other side actually acts on their rhetoric.
00:09:05.000Essentially, the President of the United States and the Vice President of the United States and the former President of the United States and the former but one President of the United States all saying that the Republican nominee is a clear and present danger, is a threat to democracy.
00:09:17.000And to that point today, they're chastising George Bush for not coming out and saying that.
00:09:22.000And so, you know, even after Donald Trump's, you know, there have been two attempted assassinations on the guy, they still...
00:09:29.000Denounce all of his rhetoric while inflaming passions on their side.
00:09:34.000In a way, you have both sides coming at this election thinking that their way of life will end if the other person ascends to the presidency.
00:09:41.000That raises the stakes enormously and raises the chances of violence enormously.
00:09:45.000I think you also have to look at the possible flashpoints here.
00:09:47.000So when the right tends to riot, it's when there's a flashpoint, right?
00:09:51.000Like January 6th of the riot, that's a riot with a flashpoint where people thought they were doing a thing.
00:09:55.000When the left riots, it's just because they're pissed off about a thing and it's going to burn down a city and grab a computer or a TV or something.
00:10:01.000That's a completely different kind of thing.
00:10:02.000I do think the chance of escalation, I think, is higher from the right than the left, but there's caveats to that.
00:10:12.000When the right does right, it's January 6th.
00:10:14.000They almost never do, they barely protest, they don't go out, but then it's at the Capitol during the certification, which is the worst possible time for a right.
00:10:21.000The left It's every summer we call it like, oh, it's summer.
00:10:26.000I want to push back just a little bit.
00:10:28.000You know, I'm probably the most Trump skeptical of all of the occasional hosts.
00:10:32.000I say occasional because I'm the occasionally host of all the hosts at the Daily Wire and have always been firmly of the opinion that January 6th is kind of a national tragedy.
00:10:43.000And yet, it's not as though a million people went to Washington, D.C. to riot.
00:10:48.000You know, the vast majority of the people who were at the Capitol were there to protest what they saw as the unfair results of the election, what they saw as the unfair set of rules that have been structured around the election, some of them to protest what they thought was the outright stealing of the election.
00:11:02.000I happen to disagree with that, although the first two I certainly agree with.
00:11:07.000And some small, very small fraction of those people actually engaged in some rioting.
00:11:12.000And even that, while I don't think that it's, you know, I'm not so naive as to say, like, every conservative who got arrested was innocent.
00:11:37.000They have websites telling them how to survive tear gas, how to attack cops who have riot shields.
00:11:45.000They prepare for those consequences because they are there for the purpose of rioting.
00:11:50.000And so while it is true that no one's perfect in this country, no one's perfect in this life, sometimes there's violence that comes from the American right...
00:11:58.000There is a kind of institutionalized rioting and violence that's accepted on the left that you do not see accepted on the left.
00:12:06.000Real quick, I'll revise a little bit, because I agree with what you're saying largely.
00:12:11.000For the longest time, I've been making this point over the past 10 years that the right is not organized.
00:12:26.000modicum of right-leaning politics it's it's the right doing it's the far right doing it right but what i what i what i would say is probably in the past four to six years this has shifted dramatically the protests that i saw in around the occupy era and even the 2000s when i was in these a lot of these protests i would afford it was blunt it's like a leftist punches a guy in And it happens all the time.
00:13:00.000And so I feel like what the left typically engages in never really rises to that extreme level that makes the news.
00:13:07.000But then again, I would say you're probably, I'd actually defer to you a little bit and say you're right, because in the past several years with the White House, with the firebombing of the White House on May 29th, 2020, they were throwing firebombs on the White House grounds at Fire to St.
00:13:19.000John's Church, as well as John Hodgkinson, the baseball shooter.
00:13:22.000We have actually seen a combination of the blunt and the escalation of the left.
00:13:26.000So I could probably walk that back a little bit and just say, man, probably, I don't know.
00:13:30.000But I guess the question I'd throw to you guys is, what do you think happens Wednesday morning.
00:13:35.000So, I think Wednesday morning is a little bit early to tell, probably, is the truth.
00:13:43.000And basically, if you're rooting for the country, I think, obviously, I voted for Trump already, I voted early.
00:13:49.000In my opinion, if you want what's best for the country and you're a Trump person, the order of preferred results is Trump by a lot, Trump by a little, Kamala by a lot, Kamala by a little, in terms of what's best for the country.
00:14:01.000Because Kamala by a little is a disaster area.
00:14:31.000And they dramatically over-counted the population in places like Florida and in places like Texas, and they dramatically over-counted in places like New York and Delaware, like five percentage points in some places.
00:14:43.000The population in these places, electoral votes get allocated on the basis of the 2020 Census.
00:14:48.000So if they actually done the count properly, Trump could lose all of the blue wall states and still win the election.
00:14:54.000And so if it ends up being 270 to 268 with Trump winning the states that we just mentioned, Florida is going to file a lawsuit and will end up at the Supreme Court because they will say they have been materially harmed.
00:15:03.000People have been disenfranchised in the state of Florida by the failure to properly count their vote because of the census data.
00:15:09.000And then it'll be up to the Supreme Court with three Trump appointees to figure out whether that's true.
00:15:14.000Now, my guess is that the court will probably kick that case.
00:15:16.000My guess the court will say that's a political question.
00:16:06.000Republicans sue, citing the Fifth Circuit ruling, goes to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says, of course you can't count ballots that came in after the election.
00:16:25.000Which they've been kind of preparing the landscape with that by calling the Supreme Court, you know, Trump's right-wing core and all the things.
00:16:34.000Did you see Jamie Raskin on MAR? So Jamie Raskin was on MAR, right?
00:16:37.000And he openly said that we'll certify the election if we feel that it was free and fair.
00:16:45.000This is exactly what you were ripping Trump for in 2020, and now you're doing the exact same thing.
00:16:49.000This is why, whenever you get the, like, Trump is a threat to democracy bullshit, it's like, okay, guys, like, you do all the exact same things that Donald Trump did and would do, and then you claim it's a threat to democracy when he does it, but when you do it, it's a defense of democracy, and, you know, this all spirals out of control.
00:17:04.000There are a bunch of things that have happened in American life that are truly bad over the course of the last 10 years, among them the fact that we have not unified any of our voting procedures.
00:17:11.000I live in the amazing state of Florida, which fixed all of its voting after 2000.
00:17:15.000So after 2000, with the debacle, with the butterfly ballots and all that, we fixed our voting, which means that we count all of our early voting early, right?
00:17:34.000And then you have just the fact that I think in the minds of both parties something is fundamentally broken.
00:17:40.000So as long as I've been alive, the general rule was when somebody loses a presidential election, the going theory is the reason why they lost the presidential election is because they weren't good enough to win.
00:19:56.000And then you would see it the reverse way on the border with Arizona.
00:19:59.000Arizona would say, you're not going to enforce the immigration laws, we'll enforce the immigration laws.
00:20:02.000And the federal government would step in.
00:20:04.000These kind of conflicts are actually super common across American history.
00:20:06.000Those are just going to get much worse.
00:20:07.000So let me ask, do you think that there's a few scenarios to look at.
00:20:11.000Donald Trump wins and then immediately says, we are going to deport these illegal immigrants.
00:20:18.000If he sends law enforcement in any capacity from the lightest federal law enforcement to the outright army, do you think there's any scenario where California resists federal authorities?
00:20:58.000So the first thing I'll say is, you know, I certainly talk about civil war probably more than most, but we don't talk about as much as the memes try to make it out to be.
00:21:05.000But the media, I think right now, is probably like 15 to 30 articles about civil war that are currently up because of the potential for violence.
00:21:16.000I do not believe in the near future or in the immediate we're looking at any kind of civil war potential.
00:21:20.000It could theoretically be decades if something does happen.
00:21:23.000We are, according to many academics, in a civil strife period, which could also be like Bleeding Kansas, or a better example would be the civil rights era, which did not result in civil war.
00:21:33.000However, the things that worry me the most are the left's propensity to violence, like Chaz Chop.
00:21:38.000There was an autonomous zone in Seattle, Atlanta, Minnesota.
00:21:44.000So, in the event that, and I'll throw it to Sam Seder again.
00:21:48.000He gets a lot of shout-outs because we just talked.
00:21:49.000He told me that basically he thinks these outlets are writing articles about civil war because it's sensational, it's clicks, it's going to make traffic, and they're going to make money from it.
00:21:59.000And then I asked him, so you don't think there's any potentiality, even if it's slim?
00:22:40.000I said, so tell me, you believe there's a scenario where Trump will call in the military to round up illegal immigrants after stealing an election, and you don't think that there will be a reaction from the left with violence or an escalation to war?
00:22:51.000And he hemmed and hawed and ultimately said, I just don't think it's very likely, but kind of conceded.
00:22:58.000I certainly think it's slim, but Rudyard Lynch of What If Alt-Hist says that based on looking at the history of the Bolsheviks, the French Revolution, the British Civil War, and the American Civil War, though they're all different, and we're not necessarily going to follow a state versus state kind of thing, he's predicting 1,000 dead by April, which I think is way over the top, but he has a bet.
00:23:18.000$1,000 if 1,000 people are dead by April.
00:23:22.000But what he said was, stop thinking about it like armed groups going up against each other and more just like we end up seeing what happened with Errol Danielson in Portland or Chaz where people shot somebody else and there's going to be a political underlining to it.
00:23:39.000I'm hoping that Trump wins massively to the point where it sends a message nationally that we're done with what the left has to offer and the American people don't want it.
00:23:51.000I will say, I do not like it when I think politicians and political leaders, the more they talk about this idea that there will be civil war, I think it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
00:23:59.000People start to take it very seriously.
00:24:01.000They think, okay, who could I... But I agree with you that there are activist groups that are geared toward resisting lawful authority.
00:24:07.000And those do exist on both sides of the aisle.
00:24:09.000But I think it is very likely that in this scenario like you're painting, there would be resistance by some groups to lawful authority...
00:24:18.000This is also what I've been telling our team here at The Daily Wire, which is you have to prepare yourself for Election Day.
00:24:43.000We didn't have a winner until the Supreme Court ruled.
00:24:45.000So it could be the end of the year before we even know who the next president is going to be.
00:24:49.000All of that is very bad in a system where both sides believe that the other side has become an existential threat to the country.
00:24:55.000But so we have to prepare ourselves in the business that we're in, in the business that you're in.
00:25:00.000We have to prepare ourselves, yes, mentally and yes, emotionally.
00:25:03.000But we actually have to prepare ourselves almost spiritually for the temptations that are going to accompany the next several days and weeks.
00:25:11.000The temptation to assert as fact things that have not been proven factually.
00:25:16.000The temptation to give in to emotional rhetoric instead of using our voices to try to cut through, try to determine what's true, and try to advocate on behalf of what's true.
00:25:29.000And there's going to be so much rigged against us.
00:25:31.000It's structurally the case that most states count the election day ballots before they count the mail-in ballots in the early voting.
00:25:39.000And historically, Democrats do more mail-in, even when there's not any impropriety.
00:25:44.000Democrats are more likely to have voted by early, historically, or to have voted by mail-in.
00:25:49.000So it is just a fact that at the earliest part of the night, Trump will probably have a lead, and then that lead will start to shrink throughout the day.
00:25:57.000Well, we're so prepped by our experiences, by our emotions, by talk of civil war constantly in the media.
00:26:05.000It's meant to prepare people to have certain kinds of reactions.
00:26:09.000And so, I guess all I'm saying is there's going to be an enormous amount of temptation to give in to all of this instead of trying to ascertain what is fact, trying to stand on behalf of what is fact, and trying to fight our political battles in a In a passionate but responsible way, which I think is the only way forward as a country.
00:26:28.000And I will add one last point to a lot who's been desperately trying to get in.
00:26:32.000I've been warning, the last thing anyone should want is a national divorce or a civil war, because there are a lot of people I hear on the right posting comments on X saying, the tree of liberty or whatever.
00:26:42.000And then I see more reasonable people saying, but a national divorce.
00:27:04.000A national divorce is China and Russia's wet dream, so we should reject that in every form.
00:27:08.000But one of the things that could obviously contribute to civil strife is something that Ben Shapiro mentioned, and it's the so-called nightmare scenario.
00:27:15.000And there's many flavors of reasons to not accept election results.
00:27:28.000Voter suppression and things like that.
00:27:29.000But on your nightmare scenario, do you think that would be grounds to not accept the results of the election if your scenario plays out the way it does?
00:27:37.000So I think that the systems are the systems.
00:27:40.000And either you accept the systems or you don't accept the systems.
00:27:42.000Meaning, if it goes through all of the steps and the end result of that machine...
00:27:46.000And here I'm not talking about the Democratic machine.
00:27:48.000I'm talking about, you know, we go through the state certification of the votes.
00:28:16.000And everyone, I think, on the left, and many people in the middle, thought they got it in 2020 when Biden was elected.
00:28:22.000He came in and he was in the high 50s in approval rating.
00:28:24.000And then it turns out that he wasn't providing any sort of normal, right?
00:28:28.000Not only just in his own personage where the brain wasn't functional or anything, but like his actual policy was not normal.
00:28:32.000He proceeded to spend ungodly sums of money, blow up the economy to the tune of 40-year highs in inflation.
00:28:37.000He proceeded to pull out from Afghanistan, even if you agree with pulling out in the most ignominious, cowardly way it was possible to do it.
00:28:43.000He then proceeded to lead us into a conflict over Ukraine because of his innate cowardice in Afghanistan.
00:28:50.000He proceeded to incentivize Iran to lead a seven-front war against Israel in order to blow up Donald Trump's Abraham Accords.
00:28:57.000And, like, all of that has been not normal.
00:29:28.000And so the choice presented to us was Donald Trump, an admittedly not normal human, and a very, very normal administration, or...
00:29:35.000Kamala Harris, who pretends to be normal, is sort of in the uncanny valley of normalcy, but not really like a human would be normal, and a bunch of policy that is exactly the same as Joe Biden's, which was abnormal.
00:29:46.000And so Americans look at that choice and are like, oh my god.
00:29:49.000So if Trump is elected, which obviously I hope that he will be, if Donald Trump is elected, what people actually want is just things to calm down.
00:29:57.000If you go out, I mean, I've been spending an enormous amount of time in this election cycle actually going to the swing states, right?
00:30:01.000I went and I was on the trail with Eric Hovde in Wisconsin, I was on the trail with Bernie Moreno in Ohio, and I was on the trail with Dave McCormick in Pennsylvania.
00:30:07.000Last night I was on the trail with Ted Cruz in Texas.
00:30:26.000And whoever presents that, if Donald Trump presents that, if he comes into office and that's what he presents, I'm going to close the border, get us back to normal.
00:30:32.000I think that you could be entering a period of actual stability in the United States for the first time in a decade, because I think that the left could theoretically respond by saying, you know what, guys, we went way too far, and the only way to beat Donald Trump and to beat the Republican Party is to move back toward the center.
00:30:46.000And the dirty secret about Donald Trump is that Donald Trump is running as a centrist right now.
00:30:50.000On policy, Donald Trump, aside from the border where he's a very right-wing guy, he's much more moderate than any Republican candidate in my lifetime, including on really, really divisive issues like abortion.
00:30:59.000Do you think that the Democrats will isolate their more extreme wing and have your normal Democrats come back to being normal as opposed to taking their lead from the extreme Democrats or the socialists in the party?
00:31:11.000So the one thing that I will say about the Democratic Party is they are professionals.
00:31:19.000I mean, there's no infrastructure or nothing.
00:31:21.000The Democratic Party is so professional that if their candidate dies on stage in a debate, they will take him, just throw him out the back door and just shove somebody else in.
00:31:29.000That's what a professional party does.
00:31:30.000That's a professional party doing what a professional party does.
00:31:33.000So if they believe that their pathway to victory is jettisoning the AOC agenda, I do think I mean, by the way, they did that in 2020.
00:31:41.000Bernie Sanders was leading the first couple primaries, and they kicked his ass out.
00:31:43.000And they were like, we'll get James Glyburn to testify for him.
00:31:46.000We'll get a bunch of people to drop out.
00:31:47.000They'll all endorse Joe Biden, who has no brains functional, and they'll just shove him in.
00:31:52.000Kamala Harris and the Democrats are underwater on a ton of different issues, but one of the particular issues that they're above water with is abortion.
00:31:59.000I feel like a lot of people are drawn to the Democrats as a result of that issue.
00:32:02.000We've got Seamus jumping in for the next few moments.
00:32:05.000Yeah, I'm going to be setting in for Ben.
00:32:16.000Now, we've all been tracking polymarket.
00:32:18.000For some reason, people have decided this matters.
00:32:20.000The betting odds matter, I do agree, but this one matters more than the rest.
00:32:23.000And right now, we can see $3.18 billion wagered on the presidential election.
00:32:30.000Well, the news is that Robinhood is also allowing what's called events contracts, where you can buy contracts for either Kamala or Trump to win.
00:32:41.000They've got this read-the-rules disclaimer up top on Polymarket that says, Which is a separate and much,
00:33:11.000much lesser known betting market called who will be inaugurated as president.
00:33:16.000Now, what I find fascinating with this and worrisome is it's not just Polymarket, but Robinhood says they resolve the winner of their contract based on who is inaugurated, not who wins based on what the election is.
00:33:29.000Now, why would Polymarket add a disclaimer up top, making sure you understand this?
00:33:35.000Not that I'm saying there's a secret cabal who's planning Trump to not get inaugurated.
00:33:39.000No, I'm saying Jamie Raskin stated February of this year, Democrats would not certify the election.
00:33:45.000Trump is disqualified under the 14th Amendment.
00:33:47.000The betting markets are aware of this, and there's likely going to be a lot of complaints from people if the news calls the race for Donald Trump and then the Democrats win the House and refuse to certify.
00:33:59.000I'm curious if you guys think that's possible or what your thoughts are.
00:34:04.000I'm so cynical about polymarket generally, because I feel like if the market cap is only $3 million, Jeremy Boring could throw around a couple of million.
00:34:44.000There's a little secret that the left doesn't want you to know about Donald Trump, and that's that Donald Trump almost never acts in accordance with the worst aspects of his rhetoric.
00:35:16.000And he was president for four years, so we actually know how his behavior does and doesn't reflect his rhetoric.
00:35:21.000What they won't tell you is that the left always works in accordance with the worst aspects of their rhetoric.
00:35:27.000So when Kamala Harris says, we're going to get rid of the filibuster and add justices to the Supreme Court, that's because what she is going to do if she is president is try to get rid of the filibuster and try to add justices to the Supreme Court.
00:35:38.000When the left says, oh, they're going to not certify the results, you know, there was a move in the House not to certify the results in 2020.
00:35:47.000And Donald Trump's own, theretofore incredibly loyal vice president, almost occasionally obsequiously loyal, theretofore vice president Mike Pence, refused to go along with it.
00:36:02.000What will happen on the left is they simply won't certify if the exact set of circumstances you outline comes about.
00:36:09.000They will throw us into civil unrest because I tweeted about this today, because when the left says horrible things, those things are actually acceptable in polite society.
00:36:20.000And when Donald Trump says horrible things, those things are not welcome in polite society.
00:36:24.000So we have to engage in sort of this outrage culture around what Donald Trump says, never mind what he's going to do.
00:36:30.000And we have to pretend that the left actually saying and actually doing abhorrent things isn't outrageous.
00:36:35.000Well, I just want to say I would generally agree with that.
00:36:37.000The only thing that I would add is the left actually ends up doing things worse than they say that they're going to do.
00:36:42.000And to build on top of that, with Donald Trump, it's not even the case that he gets chastised for saying the kinds of things that we would be upset with the left for saying.
00:36:50.000And they'll take it and they'll try to spin it into something completely different.
00:36:53.000So, for example, this allegation that's being made by the press that he said about Liz Cheney, a thing that I don't actually think I could repeat on this show, when he actually didn't say that.
00:37:01.000He was making the same argument we've heard made since the 1960s about how senators should send their children to fight in the wars that they're able to get out of and send everyone else's kids into.
00:37:09.000But I think you're generally right about this.
00:37:11.000And part of the reason is because The nature of the left is revolutionary.
00:37:17.000Once you push the boulder down the hill, it doesn't stop.
00:37:21.000It's like, you've got this giant boulder atop an incredibly steep hill, and at the bottom of the hill is a house that your family is living in.
00:37:27.000And at the top of the hill, you have three people.
00:37:29.000You have the conservative, you have the liberal, and you have the leftist.
00:37:31.000And the liberal and leftist are pushing at the boulder.
00:37:34.000And then the conservative says, hey, hold on, maybe don't do that.
00:37:37.000And the liberal says, don't worry, I only want the boulder to go halfway down the hill.
00:37:40.000It's like, Yes, I understand that you think in some bizarre reality the boulder could stop halfway, but that's not how the revolution works.
00:37:46.000And then what happens is they jump out of the left, and they start complaining that the revolution didn't stop where they were comfortable with it.
00:37:50.000But the reality is it is going to keep moving until we stop them.
00:37:53.000I want to give you another example, too, about if Trump says it's wrong, and it's my favorite.
00:37:58.000Breaking news, in the past week, Lancaster County, in our, I believe, county, right, in PA, found thousands of potentially fraudulent voter registrations.
00:38:08.000Donald Trump read the news from a local outlet and then posted, wow!
00:38:37.000Trump is a guy who's sitting on his couch watching Fox or whatever, reading articles on Twitter, tweeting about it, and then they claim he's wrong, lying, or stoking fears for reporting what they already reported.
00:38:48.000Jeremy, I wanted to follow up with something you said about how Mike...
00:38:51.000I feel like we need to add a caveat with Mike Pence, because I feel like after the fact, for being principled, he was actually treated very poorly by the Republican Party and is probably one of the least popular or most loathed Republican politician that I could even think of right now.
00:39:05.000So, I mean, he's dealt with the consequences of that.
00:39:09.000I happen to think that Mike Pence did the right thing in 2020, which is not a very popular opinion today.
00:39:16.000On the right, but I think that he rightly ascertained that he didn't have the authority under the circumstances to do what he was being expected to do.
00:39:23.000Listen, the bottom line is, there is cheating.
00:39:28.000The cheating happens in every contest.
00:39:32.000The question is, is there enough cheating by one side or the other to actually materially impact the results?
00:39:38.000And one problem that we have in this country is that the left goes out of their way to obscure visibility into things like our election, into things like their motives behind their immigration policies.
00:39:54.000And so you wind up in a situation which is detrimental to any sort of democratic institution, which is at least half of everyone doesn't trust the process.
00:40:02.000And in that situation, the difference between actually cheating or only being perceived to cheat, I don't know that there is a meaningful difference between those two things.
00:40:13.000When a society, a nation has to be based on essentially a kind of trust structure.
00:40:17.000To follow up on that, though, Donald Trump is pissed off that Mike Pence did end up certifying the election.
00:40:24.000And I feel like now he actually found somebody loyal enough to have certified the election if asked to do so.
00:40:29.000So in a recent New York Times interview, J.D. Vance said if he was VP, he wouldn't have voted to certify the election based off of whatever flavor of election denialism.
00:40:37.000I think it was the Hunter Laptop story that he references.
00:40:40.000So what do you think about now J.D. Vance, Trump's VP pick, saying he would have voted against certifying the election?
00:40:48.000In politics, people say a lot of things.
00:40:50.000I don't know what J.D. Vance would or wouldn't have done if he found himself in that exact same situation.
00:40:54.000Listen, one of my only friends in the federal government, Ted Cruz, was a part of leading the effort not to certify the election on the Senate floor.
00:41:02.000I disagreed with Senator Cruz in that regard, and we've discussed that.
00:41:07.000Privately, so I'm not telling tales out of school, there was a plausible argument, even a historically based argument on taking the path that they took.
00:41:15.000I happen to agree with Mike Pence's position.
00:41:18.000I don't think, though, that it's fair to J.D. Vance, who has really been in the national spotlight really only for a matter of months.
00:41:27.000I mean, being a first-term senator, being a first-term senator is not major national spotlight.
00:41:32.000And being the guy who wrote a very popular book is nothing like the kind of scrutiny that comes on someone when they are thrust into the position that J.D. Vance has been thrust into.
00:41:43.000In many ways, we don't know J.D. Vance as a political character yet in some very substantive ways.
00:41:51.000I happen to think that J.D. may be one of the smartest people not only in the government but maybe ever to be in the government.
00:41:56.000I think that he's an incredibly capable person, an incredibly thoughtful person, an incredibly articulate person.
00:42:02.000What he will be, what he would do, I don't know.
00:42:07.000Yeah, I think you're at least right that politicians love to say a lot of things because, I mean, I think J.D. Vance has been in the public spotlight.
00:42:13.000He was a never-Trumper not too long ago.
00:42:15.000So if he could have gone from a never-Trumper to his VP now, I guess his words on potentially certifying the election isn't the easiest thing.
00:42:35.000But I mean that I think that Donald Trump's particular set of flaws should have been disqualifying.
00:42:40.000I think his handling of COVID-19 should have been disqualifying.
00:42:43.000Now, it wasn't disqualifying, because as it turns out...
00:42:46.000The entity that determines your qualification is the primary voter.
00:42:49.000And the primary voter selected Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee.
00:42:52.000He therefore is qualified to be the Republican nominee.
00:42:54.000I therefore very much hope that he wins the election tomorrow and voted for him and have publicly supported him, even though not only is he not my choice, but again, I think he's sort of uniquely flawed.
00:43:04.000But he's also he does have unique virtues.
00:43:07.000Do I think that they outmatch his unique flaws?
00:43:11.000Possibly not, but he does have them, and no one ever talks about them.
00:43:14.000And one of his truly unique virtues is his ability to work with people who have done him wrong, people who have said bad things about him.
00:43:23.000You know, Tucker Carlson called him demonic, and now Tucker advises the campaign.
00:43:28.000To your point, J.D. Vance was not only a never-Trumper, but a far more outspoken never-Trumper in 2016, even than, say, Ben or I were in 2016.
00:43:35.000Now he's his vice presidential nominee.
00:43:38.000Donald Trump sort of uniquely doesn't hold political grudges.
00:43:42.000And that really does matter in a divided nation because it gives hope that if Donald Trump, as I hope, ascends to the presidency again tomorrow, then he'll become the president in this divided nation who's actually willing to work with people who've done horrible.
00:43:55.000I mean, what the left has done, what they've said about Donald Trump and actually done to Donald Trump are horrible.
00:44:01.000But I think that Donald Trump actually is the unique kind of man who can put that aside, especially for a man who's been powerful, wealthy and famous his entire life, essentially, that he's willing to have to subordinate his ego that way.
00:44:26.000When John McCain walked on the Senate floor to cast the deciding vote for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, after running for re-election on the promise that he would overturn it, he was faced with the opportunity to either be a man of his word, a man of principle, a man of values, or to make sure that Donald a man of principle, a man of values, or to make sure that Donald Trump And John McCain chose his grudge over the national interest.
00:44:50.000Listen, he had every right to hate Donald Trump.
00:44:53.000The things Donald Trump said about John McCain were absolutely abhorrent.
00:44:56.000And yet, I still demand of my politicians that they be willing to subordinate that to the national interest.
00:45:05.000Isn't it interesting that Donald Trump, who we're all sort of aware of his flaws, has this very unique virtue, gets almost no credit for it, and that actual virtue in question could be the virtue that allows him to be a restorative figure if he ascends to a second term.
00:45:21.000I think you're speaking to an important Christian theme on the right that is redemption, that is found so often.
00:45:27.000And I'm Jewish, so maybe one of you guys could tell me more about it.
00:45:30.000But I think that's what you're really speaking to, with how Trump's willing to overlook these things.
00:45:34.000And we're really willing to bring a lot of people into the Republican Party who might have been Democrats or against the right in the past.
00:45:40.000Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Trump has a very long list of them.
00:45:46.000It appears that Trump doesn't hold a personal grudge about maybe J.D. Vance's personal attitudes towards him as a human being.
00:45:54.000But he could make the mistake of hiring the same exact people who sabotaged him in his administration just because he doesn't hold a political grudge.
00:46:23.000And he called some of these people very stupid, stupid people.
00:46:27.000Wait, he said more than that, Tim, though.
00:46:28.000He said, I liked having John Bolton around because when I went to Putin and he saw me coming through with John Bolton, that he knew, hey, I might actually push the button.
00:46:36.000So I think he's really speaking to the youth.
00:47:06.000One thing I'll say, well, I just want to mention this here, this idea that Republicans are now welcoming people who have traditionally been our enemies.
00:47:12.000Elad, there have been a number of ways the Republican Party has changed over the past couple years that I would agree with and you would disagree with most likely, I think particularly on foreign policy, probably certain economic issues.
00:47:24.000And I will also say there are certain areas where the Republican Party has changed and become a little bit more moderate that I'm not entirely sure where you stand on, but I would imagine you'd be friendlier, too, than I am.
00:47:33.000And what my position basically is for the Republican Party and how they should conduct themselves in light of how insane the left has been.
00:47:39.000is to not court moderates by becoming moderates but to just point to what the left is actually doing and say yes we are on the right yes you don't agree with us we're not going to change our platform but it is a lot better than theirs because the right does not need to change its positions as much as it thinks to one thing you and i have argued about a lot has been abortion and has been the republican position on abortion and what i say is that the republican party does not need to change this compromise where we say we're okay with abortion as long as it happens before 14 weeks what the republican party needs to do is say this is an all or nothing issue that's why the left treats it like an all or nothing issue And what we
00:48:09.000need to say to voters is, we don't believe abortion should ever be allowed.
00:48:12.000The left believes abortion should be allowed during the process of birth.
00:48:18.000The American people will pick for abortion to be illegal across the board if that's what it takes for partial birth abortion to not be happening.
00:49:03.000But this is the fabrication they put out there, and they keep saying things like...
00:49:08.000They have all these tweets saying, women have died because of abortion, when in fact, they died from taking these pills or not getting proper medical treatment.
00:49:14.000No, listen, you're absolutely right that the left is going to lie about this.
00:49:17.000But the nice thing about having the position that we have as Christians on abortion is you don't have to lie because the truth is on your side.
00:49:23.000And so when the left says you're going to go to miscarriage jail because J.D. Vance is tracking your pyramid.
00:49:27.000No, that is the argument that has been made by lefties who are in histrionics over this issue.
00:49:32.000I agree with you on the basic binary of it.
00:49:34.000But I went to New York and I was hanging out with a friend of mine who is a default liberal.
00:49:39.000He's a comedian and he doesn't pay attention to politics and he's got a massive following.
00:49:42.000And when I told him that Democrats introduced a bill that would allow abortion up to birth, he says, that can't be true, you're wrong.
00:49:48.000And I said, no, I am not a conservative, pro-lifer, crazy guy.
00:49:58.000And I said, dude, I am not making this up.
00:50:01.000See, one of the problems we have with the current iteration of our left in this country is that they are so insane, if you try and tell people it's happening, they tell you you're nuts and there's no way it's happening.
00:50:10.000They're never going to listen to your argument.
00:50:13.000The cognitive dissonance goes too deep.
00:50:16.000And even if they recognize subconsciously that the left's position is partial birth abortion, it doesn't matter because the issue of abortion itself represents sexual license.
00:50:32.000And it is the trade-off that they are willing to make.
00:50:34.000I respect you guys trying to shift the conversation to late-term abortion, because that is some of the most unpopular time, and politically it's very unpopular.
00:50:42.000However, 90% of abortions happen within 14 weeks, and overwhelmingly Americans support this.
00:50:47.000Electorally speaking, being for things like six-week abortion bans, which I'm not making up out of thin air, have been pushed in Florida and things like that, are cement shoes electorally.
00:50:57.000And you can sink or swim about it, but it's electorally, it's cement shoes.
00:51:16.000You have made a bad faith accusation against my position when I literally opened by saying the Republican Party needs to be clear about the fact that we want abortion Anyone can rewind the tape and see that.
00:51:26.000I've been very clear about my position.
00:51:27.000You levied that accusation against me for disagreeing with your perspective.
00:51:30.000But one thing I will say about this is when you talk about late-term abortion being a small minority, even though the Guttmacher Institute, which is a very left-wing organization, has said 12,000 of them happen annually.
00:51:39.000As a percent of abortions, Seamus, as a percent of total abortions.
00:51:44.000You've got to let me finish a sentence here.
00:51:46.000I find it interesting that you're saying that it is focusing on the fringe of an issue to talk about late-term abortions when the reality is the left is making arguments about women who are going to go to jail for having miscarriages, which never happens.
00:51:57.000It happens just as often as nine-month abortions.
00:52:07.000We will continue this conversation, but I want to pull in this story.
00:52:10.000This was big news over the weekend, the shocking Iowa poll from Ann Seltzer.
00:52:15.000Nate Silver says a shocking Iowa poll means somebody is going to be wrong, either Ann Seltzer and the New York Times or the rest of the polling industry.
00:52:25.000Strangely, Ann Seltzer, who Nate Silver says is one of their highest pollsters, like one of their best, shows Kamala Harris winning three points in Iowa.
00:52:54.000The narrative that is emerging right now on the left, the reason why Ann Seltzer was able to find these results is because she's not following the herd and that she's polling women.
00:53:04.000There are numerous narratives emerging where these guys in Iowa were like, you know, I saw my wife having a meeting with all her friends and they said they were going to vote for Kamala Harris and they're very serious about not liking Donald Trump.
00:53:19.000I'm sorry, not polls, but the return date on early voting showing that women are, I believe, what, 10 million more women than men have voted?
00:53:30.000Well, women are voting more than men, at least right now.
00:53:33.000Some are saying, well, men are going to show up on the day of, but the issue of abortion is being brought up by the left as a principal issue as to why Democrats may win this.
00:54:08.000I think that she's perpetually stoned.
00:54:13.000The only time that she has these moments of sort of clarity, just like the fog parts and actual position appears, it's to advocate for the killing of babies.
00:54:24.000That's like almost the only thing that she seems to actually care about in any real sense, and she becomes very passionate about it.
00:54:30.000And I do think that the left has done a very effective job over the last 70 years, and in particular over the last 20 years, of convincing women that the only way to truly be a woman is to be the opposite of what women have been throughout all of human history, which is, you know, life givers and children of convincing women that the only way to truly be a So, listen, I don't know.
00:54:52.000I think that there's a world where Kamala Harris wins 50 states.
00:54:55.000If the left figures out a way to turn college campuses into ballot harvesting operations, which has historically been impossible, but now in the era of mail-in, the ubiquity of mail-in voting is no longer impossible.
00:55:06.000If they haven't done it, they're going to do it in the next election, and we have to figure out what we're going to do about that.
00:55:10.000Then there are a lot of ways that the polls could be wildly off because all of the old...
00:55:17.000Milestones or fence markers by which we would understand the state of the race have essentially all been upended.
00:55:31.000One of the things that I hate the most about politics in the era of social media is that you'll have somebody who says, Donald Trump is going to win New York.
00:55:39.000I've never been more sure of anything in my life.
00:55:45.000Early tomorrow morning, a meteor will hit Manhattan, wipe out 20 million people, and New York will only be determined by people who voted in, like, the three red counties in New York.
00:55:57.000And that person will say, see, I told you!
00:56:48.000He understood what the electorate needed from him to win as a Republican, and things happened very fast.
00:56:55.000It happens to be a sort of rebuke of the right, that most of our way of dealing with abortion in my lifetime was essentially premised on the idea that we would never be able to win and overturn Roe.
00:57:08.000And so, I remember it was settled law.
00:57:33.000But the result is that the pro-life movement in America has essentially existed to fight Roe v.
00:57:37.000Wade, and now we live in a post-Roe reality, and the right has not yet adapted.
00:57:42.000We have not yet figured out how best to champion life when it's now an actual issue in which voters are going to routinely have a say in.
00:57:52.000The beauty of Roe, listen, Roe was a horrible piece of jurisprudence.
00:57:57.000It led to an actual kind of genocide of the unborn in this country.
00:58:02.000You couldn't be more pro-life than I am.
00:58:05.000Nevertheless, I'm telling you that Roe was of great political value to cynical right-wing politicians because it allowed them to be abortion absolutists politically without actually having to do anything to obviate abortion in the country.
00:58:43.000What I can tell you is I do believe, over a long period of time, the end result will be the complete abolition of abortion.
00:58:49.000And I mean that from a position of logic.
00:58:51.000That is, the 14th Amendment would have to be overturned And I will stress this by reading section 1 of the 14th.
00:59:11.000All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
00:59:20.000Now you can forget about that sentence because that's only one portion of this amendment because often the left and liberals try to say, aha, but it says persons born.
00:59:28.000It then says next, no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.
00:59:35.000Semicolon, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws.
00:59:45.000First, outside of the abortion question, this has already been ruled that non-citizens, tourists, illegal immigrants still have the same protections.
00:59:55.000That is, someone who comes here because they're visiting family cannot just be locked up without charge or trial.
01:00:01.000They have free speech, they have these things.
01:00:04.000This means, if the Supreme Court is to answer this question, are the unborn persons or citizens, the argument is, well, they're not born, so they're not citizens, but are they persons?
01:00:15.000At which point, scientifically, life begins at conception.
01:00:56.000Well, there's nothing legal or logical in that that can be concluded.
01:01:00.000I believe that if the Supreme Court takes up this question, there is only one answer, and it's the unborn, our person.
01:01:07.000At the very least, the argument is post-viability, but I believe whether you want it to be or not, and this is not me making an opinion argument, Or I should say it's not my opinion or morals on the question of abortion.
01:01:17.000It is my view of how the Supreme Court will rule based on the 14th Amendment.
01:01:21.000So I would agree with you that that's certainly the most logical choice.
01:01:23.000But I'm actually going to combine a thing Jeremy said and a thing Mary said, which I think are both accurate, which is firstly the Republican Party did it for a very long time.
01:01:30.000Run on abortion is an issue that they were never actually interested in doing anything about.
01:01:34.000It's not to say there weren't Republican politicians whose heart was in the right place and planned to.
01:01:37.000It's just for many of them it was something that could be easily exploited.
01:01:40.000And then Mary, you pointed out that Abortion is necessary for the sexual licentiousness that dominates our culture to continue to flourish.
01:01:47.000And there's a phrase I like to use for this.
01:01:49.000These people, they really genuinely are lobotomized by their libido.
01:01:52.000They will go along with any insane policy prescription, including killing babies, if it means that they get to continue fooling around.
01:01:59.000There's actually a theory in anthropology that one of the ways you can determine whether a place is a brothel is whether there are infant skeletons nearby.
01:02:10.000Yes, because it's absolutely necessary in order to continue this absurd fantasy that you can have a quote-unquote sexual liberation that does not involve human beings living by the rules and laws of logic, settling down with one person, having a child with them, getting married, which is the most reasonable thing to do.
01:02:25.000Because we want to talk about sexual liberation.
01:02:27.000You are not free if you are not living in accordance with reason.
01:02:30.000But this is why I'm saying I don't have as much faith in...
01:02:33.000The American people coming to the decision that we will not support this if it means partial birth or late-term abortion.
01:03:02.000And we had no idea, as I said, we had no idea what we were going to do next.
01:03:06.000It's going to take at least a generation and maybe two generations to defeat abortion now that it's a political issue.
01:03:13.000It's going to have to be won culturally.
01:03:15.000It's going to have to be fought for politically.
01:03:18.000It's going to have to be thought through by a new generation of thinkers who aren't just thinking about how to use the courts to accomplish this one piece of the victory, but who are actually thinking about ways to legislate our way toward victory.
01:03:33.000It's going to be fought by the churches who have, I mean, American evangelicalism is in complete collapse right now.
01:03:40.000It's going to have to refine, we're going to have to refine that footing.
01:03:43.000It's going to be probably solved in part technologically because you're never going to have a society.
01:03:48.000I hate to say this, but, you know, all of sin and fall short of the glory of God, I.
01:03:58.000The fact of the matter is that people don't just give up licentiousness, and you're never going to have a society that's free from licentiousness, but you are going to have a society where the age of viability moves back further and further and further and further with technological and medical advances.
01:04:15.000And the combination of all of that, I do believe, will ultimately, and God's grace, will ultimately result in the abolition of abortion.
01:04:22.000But it's not going to be decided like at the 2024 ballot box.
01:05:02.000But we're going to have to make political compromise.
01:05:04.000If I, for example, lived in California and somehow a Republican manages to get elected governor in that state again and he's a Donald Trumpian Republican and he comes up with a 14 week abortion ban, I'm going to freaking support it.
01:05:16.000Not because I agree with a 14 week abortion ban.
01:05:20.000I believe in a complete abolition of abortion, but I know you're not going to get that in California.
01:05:23.000And I'm going to live with having to face the fact that I live in a fallen world, having to face the fact that I have political responsibility in a fallen world, and I'm going to fight for every single life of every single child that I can until we figure out how to win this issue, which I believe is a generational struggle.
01:05:40.000Yeah, I just want to make one point really quickly, which is even Pope St.
01:05:42.000John Paul II said that if there is a situation where abortion is legal across the board and there's a piece of legislation that you can choose that restricts abortion but doesn't totally eliminate it, it's okay to support that piece of legislation on the way to total abolition.
01:05:57.000So I got to jump to the story because we've been sitting out for a few minutes.
01:06:01.000Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan has formally endorsed Donald Trump.
01:07:45.000He has the biggest podcast, but everybody was waiting for his endorsement.
01:07:48.000Jeremy, this ties into something I think that you said earlier.
01:07:51.000You said how the left actually does the things that they say.
01:07:55.000And you mentioned, or Joe mentioned, that he spoke to Elon.
01:07:58.000And the Harris administration has made it clear that they're going to be, they're going to use the powers at their disposal, likely the Justice Department, to go after people like Elon Musk, platforms like X, You have experience fighting the government because of the lawsuits that you brought and winning.
01:08:21.000Is it your sense that a Harris administration will go after people like Joe Rogan, like Elon Musk, maybe podcasters, maybe they'll come after some of your businesses because of your endorsement of Donald Trump and because of your resistance to the mandates from the government?
01:08:39.000Is it your sense that that's a reality because it's my sense?
01:08:41.000And that's one of the things that I find most off putting about the idea of a Kamala Harris administration is her hostility to the individual liberties that we have too long taken for granted.
01:09:01.000I mean, Barack Obama famously weaponized the IRS against his political enemies, including my organization at the time, Friends of Abe, a 501c3 that I was the executive director of in Los Angeles at the time and had to fight them and got some help from some friendly senators who helped us repel that attack.
01:09:18.000They've already weaponized the DOJ to go after Donald Trump.
01:09:23.000And many, many instances of actual Americans who aren't famous, Americans who don't have big names being criminalized by the left.
01:09:32.000The left is the threat to our freedom.
01:09:33.000They are the threat to our national sovereignty.
01:09:35.000They are the threat to our traditional values, the threat to our family.
01:09:39.000They are all the things that they accused Donald Trump of being, and they are those things in practice.
01:09:44.000You know, something you said earlier that I think is really interesting is that the left does all the worst things that they say they're going to do.
01:09:49.000does all the worst things that they say they're going to do, but they also say a bunch of conservative things, and they don't do those.
01:09:51.000They also say a bunch of conservative things, and they don't do those.
01:09:54.000And that is an interesting aspect of our country, is that politicians left and right run to the right, and then neither of them do the things that they said they were going to do to the right.
01:10:06.000And so Donald Trump's right is much further right than Kamala Harris's right, but he's not going to do those things.
01:10:11.000And Kamala Harris's right is much more close to the middle than Donald Trump's right, but she's not going to do those things either.
01:10:17.000Everyone promises the country, to Ben's point earlier, everyone sort of promises some sort of return to normalcy, but the left in particular does the worst things that they say that they're going to do.
01:10:28.000When they say that they're going to clamp down on freedom of speech, they are.
01:10:32.000When they say that they're going to look into this Elon Musk character, they are.
01:10:36.000If you want to know why, listen, I don't know Elon Musk.
01:10:41.000I think he's the most important living human, and I like to say the most important American, mostly because it ticks off the Groypers or whatever who try to point out to me that he's not an American, even though he's Obviously the greatest living American.
01:10:54.000But Elon Musk is trying to build the future.
01:10:57.000The next three to four years will be the most important years for determining the regulatory environment for everything that Elon Musk cares about.
01:11:08.000They're going to determine over the next three to four years to what extent private companies like his have access to space.
01:11:14.000They're going to determine over the next three to four years to what extent we're allowed to embrace AI.
01:11:18.000They're going to determine over the next three to four years to what extent we're allowed to embrace autonomous driving.
01:11:23.000They're going to decide over the next three to four years to what extent we're able to directly interface physically with machines in a way that he's doing through Neuralink.
01:11:32.000They're going to determine to what extent we're able to embrace the revolution of robotics that is at hand.
01:11:38.000I think people don't realize these things are at hand right now.
01:11:50.000There's no question about us getting wet.
01:11:52.000It's only now a question of when the event already took place.
01:11:55.000And what the left wants to do is crack down on all of that, stymie human innovation, use protectionist policies, use punitive policies to keep it from happening.
01:12:03.000And all they'll do is ensure that China and Russia and our adversaries steal the technology from people like Elon and get ahead of us and destroy American hegemony around the world.
01:12:12.000I'm not saying there's not some responsible legislation that should happen around these I think anyone would tell you that there is, but the left actually wants to stop it.
01:12:19.000I think that's why the most important living American has so passionately embraced politics.
01:12:25.000Because politics is kind of a losing gambit for a guy like Elon Musk, except that he knows that everything he cares about, up to and including free speech, is actually on the ballot tomorrow.
01:12:34.000That's why I'm voting for Donald Trump.
01:12:35.000It's why I think Elon Musk is voting for Donald Trump.
01:12:38.000I suspect it's why Joe Rogan is voting for Donald Trump.
01:12:42.000Ben Shapiro's here to take my spot, but I just want to let everybody know, if you go over to freedomtunes.com, you can become a member, help us make more cartoons.
01:12:50.000If you go to our YouTube channel, Freedom Tunes, we released a video today called Kamala Polling at 100% with People Who Vote at 3am.
01:13:28.000Joe's been heterodox this entire time.
01:13:30.000The chances that he was going to endorse Kamala, particularly after she insisted that he travel to her and then come on bended knee and do a one-hour interview to Joe, I mean, some of us in the room have been on Joe's show, and, you know, One hour is called the introduction.
01:13:44.000One hour is where he just asks you if you've tried ayahuasca.
01:14:08.000Sorry, I mixed the two of them up because they're such betas.
01:14:10.000But Doug Emhoff sort of gave the game away.
01:14:13.000He said, you know, I've been meeting with men, which is, you know, he can't define them, but...
01:14:18.000He's meeting with men who are going to vote now for Kamala Harris, but they had to stop watching podcasts and stop looking at the UFC. It's like, yeah, and cut themselves in weird places.
01:15:05.000We are watching the end in real time is the celebratory point, no matter how the selection goes.
01:15:09.000We are watching in real time the collapse of legacy media.
01:15:12.000And the only way the only way they can maintain their dominance is if they participate in censorship and get the social media platforms to censor all of our businesses.
01:15:20.000I just posed a question, real quick, I just posed a question to Jeremy about that.
01:15:23.000Do you, is it your sense that they, do you feel like the government will come after not only Joe Rogan and people like Elon Musk, do you think that the Department of Justice will come after people like yourselves and people like Tim I mean, they'll look for any excuse to certainly launch lawsuits against us.
01:15:36.000I mean, they're going after Elon right now for the signal failure of SpaceX to hire enough refugees.
01:15:41.000Literally, that's what the DOJ is doing.
01:15:51.000They like to call in Mark Zuckerberg, and they like to call in Elon, and they like to say to those people, you know, if you don't do what we say, we will essentially regulate your company out of business.
01:15:59.000So just do what we say, and then it'll never come to that.
01:16:01.000I mean, Dianne Feinstein literally said that to Zuckerberg.
01:16:03.000And Zuckerberg is considered, you know, the big villain on the right these days.
01:16:06.000But the reality is that if you go back and you look at what Zuckerberg was saying in 2019 at George County on free speech, he sounds like one of us.
01:16:12.000And if you look at what he's saying now, he's sounding more like he did in 2019.
01:16:16.000He's kind of starting to make turn on that.
01:16:18.000And, you know, they don't like that very much.
01:16:20.000And so if Kamala Harris is elected, I think that you're going to see enormous amounts of pressure brought on all of these outlets to shut down, quote unquote, disinformation and misinformation.
01:16:29.000And the thing is that the Supreme Court failed on this front.
01:16:32.000There was a Supreme Court case that was launched on these grounds about censorship during the 2020 election.
01:16:37.000And the Supreme Court found that you didn't have standing to sue If Facebook shut down your post, because supposedly they might have had another reason to do that.
01:16:45.000But if the government uses social media as a cutout for censorship, that is obviously a form of censorship.
01:16:50.000So you think that if Kamala wins, the social media censorship will get worse?
01:16:56.000That's interesting because it seems like Trump's victory in 2016 was the catalyst for so much of that social media censorship.
01:17:03.000Interestingly though, having gone through that, building a media company during that time, the truth is that during the Trump administration, the social media platforms played much, much, much more fairly with us.
01:17:13.000It doesn't mean that there weren't problems.
01:17:19.000But they were afraid of the Trump administration.
01:17:23.000They were afraid, particularly in those first two years when we also had control of the House and the Senate, they were deeply afraid of there being government action from the right against them.
01:17:31.000And then from 2020 to today, you've seen the worst excesses of what's happened on the platform.
01:17:37.000So I don't mean to defend their actions during the early Trump days, but I do think it's a bit of a...
01:17:41.000Yes, they were outraged by Trump, and yes, there was a lot of rhetoric around it, but their actual behavior is so much more nefarious now than it's ever been.
01:17:48.000I have to be optimistic seeing the endorsement of Trump by Joe Rogan, and considering the show that we're doing here with, I mean, you've got Neocon Elad, Ben Shapiro, Jeremy Boring, you've got Mary.
01:18:00.000The politics are relatively different between all of us.
01:18:33.000I introduce myself as an anti-communist every single show, you know?
01:18:36.000I see a point that I make all the time, especially when it comes to abortion, is that we all have a conversation where we're trying to figure it out, and the left is absolutist.
01:18:46.000You know, I talked with pro-life activists about this for a long time, coming from a more liberal position, and the response is always, Glenn Beck was fantastic.
01:18:55.000He said, you know, I don't really see the world the way you do, but I really appreciate your talking.
01:18:59.000I was like, yeah, man, I think figuring out these answers and trying to have a reasonable discussion makes sense.
01:19:03.000The left is out the window on this one.
01:19:06.000So now Joe Rogan, who is very obviously a progressive guy in a lot of ways, is like Trump's the guy.
01:19:13.000I can't help but be optimistic for tomorrow.
01:19:16.000I mean, naive maybe because quote unquote shadow campaigns exist, but I'm optimistic Oh, you sweet summer child.
01:19:25.000No, Kamala is going to win and it's going to be very good for opposition media.
01:19:29.000Kamala Harris is going to lose because she's going to fumble Pennsylvania for her weak decision not to make Governor Shapiro her VP pick.
01:19:38.000Kamala winning will only be good for opposition media on the surface until the DOJ comes in with IRS, you know, tax investigations and regulatory investigations, and then we don't exist.
01:20:37.000And I think that without the protections...
01:20:42.000That are provided in the Constitution being something that the American people truly believe in.
01:20:47.000And I think the American people, or at least a significant portion of the American people, have at least considered these ideas passe and not important if they don't affect them directly, which most people kind of go along to get along, so they don't actually affect them directly.
01:21:02.000I think too many people will allow for it, and I think that COVID was really a demonstration.
01:21:07.000There's another thing that the Democrats are planning to do, and they're openly planning it.
01:21:11.000Kamala Harris has talked about killing the filibuster for a wide variety of things.
01:21:14.000One of the things that they would do if they got control of the Senate and the presidency, God forbid, is they would immediately move to make changes to the Supreme Court.
01:21:22.000They would talk about packing the Supreme Court, adding justices.
01:21:24.000They would talk about putting term limits in to get rid of some of the older justices who tend to be the more Republican justices at this point in time.
01:21:31.000And if that happened, then the real bulwark in favor of the First Amendment is gone.
01:21:34.000Because the Democrats have made perfectly clear that they do not actually believe that things like hate speech, what they call hate speech, or misinformation, that these things are covered by the First Amendment.
01:21:53.000That's part of the reason why I'm here.
01:21:55.000I'm in a heavy metal band, and a lot of my people that I've been friendly with are people that I've known for years and years that were staunchly against the Bush administration and that you would think would consider themselves liberals and be saying things like, oh, the First Amendment and our right to create art and etc.
01:22:12.000These things should be fundamental to them, should be foundational.
01:22:44.000There shouldn't be any kind of limits on the ideas that you're exchanging, just so long as you're being respectful of other people and you're not looking to be inflammatory.
01:22:52.000And the people in the music industry that I know, they frequently just drop the ball on it and stop caring about that kind of stuff.
01:23:00.000I want to go back to something you said a second ago, Mary, because it probably doesn't actually matter to anyone else here, but it's a piccadillo of mine.
01:23:23.000I do want to just point out to everyone listening at home that I'm going to make a lot of money no matter who wins the presidency because I happen to the world.
01:23:35.000The world doesn't happen to the Daily Wire.
01:23:37.000But I also want to say that I want Donald Trump to be the president.
01:23:42.000It will be bad for my business if Kamala Harris becomes the president.
01:23:46.000It will be bad for my family if Kamala Harris becomes the president.
01:23:49.000It will be bad for my nation if Kamala Harris becomes the president.
01:23:53.000And I wanted to say again, it will be bad for my business.
01:23:55.000The social media platforms will crack down on us and cut into our revenue in enormous ways if Kamala Harris wins the presidency.
01:24:03.000They will criminalize vast amounts of the thing, not criminalize in the sense that they put you in jail, I hope.
01:24:09.000But they will criminalize in the sense that they penalize you for having these opinions in public spaces.
01:24:14.000They'll make it very difficult for us to function economically.
01:24:18.000They will do everything they can to shut us out of the public square.
01:24:20.000I won't let that defeat my business, but it will be very bad for my business.
01:24:25.000And then also, I know it may come as a shock to people, but I would rather live in a free society than be rich.
01:24:31.000I'd rather live in a free society than have nice studios.
01:24:34.000I'd rather live in a free society where my daughter has a chance at knowing any of the freedoms and peace and prosperity that I've largely enjoyed in my life than live in some sort of totalitarian attempt at leftist utopia, which has never worked anywhere that's been tried anywhere on Earth.
01:24:50.000So you weren't being quite as cynical, perhaps, as the anonymous trolls on X, but it is an important point because it is like a major line of attack against people who are in our business a lot.
01:24:59.000Also, I just want to point out, as a Jew who loves money, money's great, and I am Jewish, as you may have noticed from the funny hat, I have expended exorbitant amounts of capital in favor of both President Trump and the Senate candidates who are running this campaign.
01:26:04.000And I personally co-sponsored a fundraiser for President Trump at Trump Doral.
01:26:09.000Okay, so for somebody who supposedly is invested in Kamala Harris winning so I can make more money, I'm expending a shitload of money to make sure that she doesn't win.
01:26:16.000I'd just like to point that out on a personal level.
01:26:18.000Well, let's talk about foreign policy for a second.
01:26:20.000What is the prediction of a Kamala presidency versus a Trump presidency, especially pertaining to—I know, Eli, you want to talk about Taiwan, but Ukraine and Israel are the big conflicts right now we're all concerned about.
01:26:31.000So, President Trump brought the best foreign policy of my lifetime.
01:26:34.000And he didn't bring that foreign policy because he's like a full-scale, America-first, Father Coughlin isolationist.
01:26:47.000If you cross this line, I'm going to beat the shit out of you.
01:26:50.000Okay, that's actually how foreign policy works.
01:26:52.000If you're the United States of America, most powerful force, doesn't mean you use the force, right?
01:26:55.000It's the credible threat of use of force that deters other people from doing bad things.
01:27:00.000And President Trump totally understands that.
01:27:02.000He threatened force more than any president of my lifetime and used it less than any president of my lifetime because he was very credible in that threat of use of force.
01:27:08.000Some days he was writing a letter to Kim Jong-un.
01:27:15.000That was Donald Trump and how he did foreign policy, and it was really, really good.
01:27:19.000It's why he was able to broker peace in the Middle East for the first time in 40 years.
01:27:22.000It was by ignoring the intransigent and intractable problem between the Palestinians, who are exterminationists and eliminationists with regard to the State of Israel and Israel, and instead going over to UAE and Bahrain and, yes, Saudi, which, by the way, if you've been re-elected, by February 2021, Saudi's in the Abraham Accords.
01:27:42.000I know people on both sides of that conversation.
01:27:43.000That would have been a thing that happened because he understands that people in that area have a common interest against Iran, which Joe Biden then proceeded to completely blow up by giving them billions of dollars in aid, opening up their economy, allowing them to fund terrorism all over the region, and opening a wide gap visibly with not only Israel, by the way, but with Saudi Arabia.
01:28:01.000You remember that Joe Biden came into office yelling about Saudi Arabia and Mohammed bin Salman and about how they had killed Jamal Khashoggi and all this kind of stuff.
01:28:22.000That's one thing about President Trump that is very obviously clear.
01:28:25.000So even if he had decided to pull out from Afghanistan, he certainly would not have done so at the cost of billions of dollars of American military equipment, much of which is now in the hands of China.
01:28:33.000And certainly not at the cost of the visual of people falling from wheel wells at Bagram Air Base as American soldiers get blown up.
01:28:39.000And as far as Russia invading Ukraine, he told me this.
01:28:41.000This guy is at the fundraiser at Trump Drills.
01:28:43.000My favorite Trump story that he's told me.
01:28:44.000So President Trump is talking to me and he's like, Ben, you want to know, you want to know why Russia never invaded Ukraine while I was president?
01:29:08.000And then he said, if there's a 5% chance that the most powerful military force on planet Earth is going to bomb the shit out of you, you know what you don't do, go into Ukraine.
01:29:16.000He's got that famous story, it was a phone call, I can't remember who it was with.
01:29:20.000Taliban, Taliban, head of the Taliban.
01:29:32.000The version he told us was, because I'm going to bum this shit out of your house, Abdul.
01:29:37.000Again, that is not the words of an isolationist.
01:29:39.000That's the words of a person who's realistic about the use of American power and the reality.
01:29:43.000Here's the problem with the sort of isolationist perspective and its classical definition.
01:29:47.000The problem with the isolationist perspective and its classical definition is I think that actually most of the arguments that happen are among realists.
01:29:53.000Neocons are people who believe that you can build a functioning democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq.
01:30:14.000There are a bunch of realists and then there's a question between realists about particular military interventionists.
01:30:20.000A full-scale isolationist will say, if America withdraws from the world, the world will be a nicer place because America will be less involved in places around the world.
01:30:27.000And that's not true because then a vacuum occurs and it turns out...
01:30:30.000Everybody on Earth has agency, not just the United States.
01:30:32.000It turns out China has its own interests, and Russia has its own interests.
01:30:34.000And those interests don't align with the United States very often.
01:30:37.000That doesn't mean that every time Russia does something, it involves our core interests and we need to act, or that every time China does something, it involves our core interests.
01:30:45.000Is this enough of a threat to our core interests that we ought to either use force or threaten force or threaten tariffs or threaten some other form of interventionism?
01:30:54.000But, you know, I think that the sort of conflation of all these foreign policy ideas into Donald Trump is an isolationist, which is why he was against the neocons.
01:31:00.000Like that is a false divide, I think, in the way that we discuss foreign policy in the country.
01:31:04.000And it's not realistic about actually how foreign policy is.
01:31:06.000Unfortunately, I'm a little bit less hopeful than you are.
01:31:09.000I think if either Kamala Harris or Donald Trump are elected, we are seeing American hegemony around the world waning, and we're seeing conflicts flare up as a result of that.
01:31:19.000So Ukraine now is dealing with North Korean troops that North Korea is sending over.
01:31:23.000Israel is already in a multi-front war against Iran and many of its proxies.
01:31:27.000I feel like looking back in this in 10 years, we're going to say, oh, of course this was the start of another world war that we're dealing with.
01:31:32.000Also, the people who Trump are surrounding himself with makes me feel a little uncertain with how we would move forward.
01:31:38.000So, for example, J.D. Vance has probably embodied isolationism in the Republican Party more than anybody else, and that's the person he made his VP pick.
01:31:45.000Okay, so I'm responding to a couple of those things.
01:31:47.000One, I don't think it's true that if Donald Trump becomes president that we are on a sure road to World War III because deterrence is incredibly powerful.
01:31:53.000And just to explain the situation on the ground, I think the most likely scenario in Ukraine, if Donald Trump becomes president, is that Trump says to Putin, I'm going to continue.
01:32:12.000The line is Donbass and the line is Crimea.
01:32:13.000And we'll solidify that and there'll be some mutual defense commitments.
01:32:16.000But will the Republicans in the Senate support that?
01:32:18.000Because that's where I guess I have...
01:32:19.000If Trump wants it, 100% they'll support it because he's Donald Trump.
01:32:23.000And by the way, again, I think that what he'll say is, I'm paying less than the Democrats would have because I'm going to make the Europeans pay more.
01:32:31.000Because he did this with NATO. This is precisely what he did with NATO. Then, when it comes to Israel and its enemies in that area, what Donald Trump understands is that Israel does, in fact, have the strongest military in that region.
01:32:41.000And so what he will say to Israel and to its enemies is, listen, we don't want any part of any war over there, so go finish up your business and do it fast.
01:32:48.000This is exactly what he's saying right now.
01:32:50.000He's saying to the Israel—I mean, I happen to know this—he's saying to the—I mean, he's saying publicly as well as privately.
01:32:55.000He's saying to the Israeli government, if I get elected by January when I take office, I don't want this on my plate.
01:33:01.000So what I would like you to do is go fast and go hard and finish up whatever it is that you think that you have to do.
01:33:06.000And by the way, what Israel just demonstrated by blowing up the S-300s, which were the anti-missile and anti-aircraft weaponry shipped by the Russians to Iran in order to shoot down Israeli materiel, Israel blew up all that shit.
01:33:18.000So what they actually showed is that if they want to hit the nuclear facilities, they can absolutely hit the nuclear facilities, which is probably what's going to happen, I would guess, over the next couple of months.
01:33:27.000So, yes, things will calm in those areas.
01:33:29.000But there's another piece, though, to the story.
01:33:31.000We're talking about what happens if Donald Trump gets elected.
01:33:33.000The question was, what happens either way?
01:33:35.000So I want to speak for a moment about what happens if Kamala Harris becomes president.
01:33:40.000This will be the least popular thing I've ever said with a camera pointed at me.
01:33:43.000But the world is run by strong men who do not respect women.
01:33:47.000And if you're going to ascend to the helm of the world's last remaining superpower, not only a woman, but a vacuous, vapid, perpetually stoned woman, you are actually inviting war.
01:34:02.000What our enemies do, our enemies do not share these sort of Western liberal values about equality and respect for women and even all the way to gender confusion.
01:34:13.000We have some ideas that are pretty novel in this society and we don't treat them like novel ideas.
01:34:19.000We think that they're somehow universally accepted ideas.
01:34:22.000The Chinese don't believe that a woman can run a superpower.
01:34:26.000Vladimir Putin doesn't believe that a woman can run a superpower.
01:34:29.000The Iranians don't believe that a woman can actually function.
01:34:39.000And they're going to test the first female president.
01:34:44.000Now, this would be true no matter who the first female president is.
01:34:47.000If America makes the decision that we should ascend a woman to the presidency, part of what is intrinsic to that decision, even if we don't acknowledge it to ourselves, is that we're inviting tests on the world stage from hostile actors.
01:35:00.000We may conclude that it's worth that those tests in order to live in accordance with these values that we that we have.
01:35:07.000But my question is, is it worth being tested for this woman, this woman who actually isn't strong, who isn't capable of facing down these threats?
01:35:16.000You know, at least with Hillary Clinton, who I don't think could have faced down the threats either, but at least she was a tough old battle axe.
01:35:21.000At least she had been secretary of state.
01:35:24.000At least she had actually sat across the table from these people and won in negotiations with them.
01:35:28.000At least her husband had been President and had deployed the US military to some effect in Europe and in Iraq.
01:35:35.000But Kamala Harris does not instill fear in anyone, and fear is part of what makes a foreign policy work.
01:35:43.000To your point, Ben, our enemies were afraid of Donald Trump.
01:35:46.000They weren't afraid that Donald Trump was the great general.
01:36:16.000Like, what do you mean Al Gore would have used nuclear weapons?
01:36:18.000And the logic was Al Gore was broadly, widely perceived as being weak.
01:36:25.000George W. Bush was widely considered strong.
01:36:29.000His father had been the head of the CIA, vice president under Ronald Reagan, had led the greatest military victory in America, the fastest military victory over a major military in Iraq that had ever happened up until that point.
01:36:40.000Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world in the 1990s.
01:36:49.000And what the thought experiment said is, when the exact same event happens to a weak man in the presidency that happens to a strong man, it's not that the weak man surrenders.
01:37:01.000Because the weak man's weakness is being blamed for the event, and so he has to show that he's strong, but he doesn't know what strength is, so he gives a caricature of strength.
01:37:09.000And that's what I fear will happen under Kamala Harris.
01:37:11.000She will be tested on the basis of her weakness, and she will respond with a caricature of what she believes that strength looks like, which will be an overcommitting of our forces, an overcommitting of our obligations around the world, and the world will become a much deadlier and much less safe place under Kamala Harris.
01:37:34.000And by the way, they're incredibly durable.
01:37:36.000One of the things that you may have noticed is they did not break during this entire intervening period.
01:37:40.000By the way, the dirty little secret of that is because it turns out that the UAE and Bahrain and Morocco and the other countries that are members do not care as a top-line issue about the Palestinian issue because that is intractable.
01:39:17.000He said, the Abraham Accords isolated Hamas and the Palestinians, causing an overreaction at giving Iran the opportunity to strike on October 7th.
01:39:27.000And if we didn't have the Abraham Accords, it wouldn't have undermined their negotiating power.
01:39:34.000And again, if I'm getting your position wrong, Dave, forgive me, but my position was we're not going to ignore peace opportunity because terrorists are threatening violence.
01:39:43.000We are going to negotiate peace between countries and try to bring about the best of our abilities, economic stability and international stability, even if that means crazy people might do crazy things.
01:39:52.000But I will add on top of this, Dave Smith is now voting for Donald Trump.
01:39:55.000So it seems even in these disagreements, everyone's kind of aligned in this position where what else can we do?
01:40:01.000Well, I mean, the bottom line is that the effects are the effect.
01:40:04.000Was it a more peaceful world under Donald Trump, regardless of what you think the rationale for that piece was?
01:40:09.000Now, I think I have a good read on Donald Trump's foreign policy.
01:40:11.000Obviously, I've spoken with many people who are forming his foreign policy and who will likely form his foreign policy once again, because, again, Donald Trump is not a micromanager, right?
01:40:19.000He delegates large swaths of his policy to other people.
01:40:23.000The one thing that I know about President Trump is that he calms the waters internationally because he is willing to fill the space.
01:40:31.000If the United States does not fill the space, somebody else fills the space.
01:40:37.000What do you think about, there was this story that came out that one of the American servicemen was working on the pier in Gaza has died.
01:40:44.000Because that's a fucking dumbass move.
01:40:46.000Why are you building a stupid pier off the Mediterranean in order to ship aid into an area that was completely run by the UNRWA, which is a front group for Hamas or Hamas itself.
01:40:55.000The problem wasn't the supply into the surrounding area of the Gaza Strip.
01:40:59.000There's plenty of aid right around the Gaza Strip.
01:41:01.000Israel's been shipping in like 25, 3,000 calories per day per person in the Gaza Strip for legitimately months at this point.
01:41:07.000The problem is, once you get it in, Hamas then hijacks it, and then proceeds to sell it at marked-up prices, the stuff that they're not using for their own terrorists.
01:41:28.000Every element of his foreign policy is just as asterisk.
01:41:31.000Can I follow up with you on something on the Abraham Accords?
01:41:33.000Obviously very important, and I like the direction that it's going in, but what it comes down to really is that Saudi Arabia, well, they're not in the Abraham Accords yet, but this is a common interest against Iranian influence in the area.
01:41:45.000But however, for many of these countries, the actual population still hates Israelis and Jews.
01:41:50.000Down the line, do you think there's going to be a lasting peace with these accords, if they ever become democracies or anything?
01:41:55.000The dirty secret is that democracy does not work everywhere.
01:42:27.000It takes rooted institutions, centuries, to emerge with a functioning democracy, unless you happen to be lucky enough for us to kick your ass in a world war and then occupy our country for 70, 80 years.
01:42:35.000If you're lucky enough for that to happen, we can turn you into a thriving democracy right quick.
01:42:38.000Turns out we did that in Germany and Japan, but even in places where we actually won a war, like South Korea, it took several decades in order for a functional democracy to emerge in South Korea.
01:42:46.000It took several decades for a functional democracy to emerge in Taiwan.
01:42:49.000And so this idea that you need a functional democracy in Bahrain, No, actually what you need is stability and an emergency of property rights and an educational system that teaches you maybe that all the problems in your life are not the Jews who you've never met and need to murder.
01:43:06.000So if you do that for several generations, then you might get...
01:43:08.000By the way, that is not a point about the people in those areas.
01:43:11.000That is a point about people in general.
01:43:13.000It turns out that it took centuries for democracy to emerge in the West.
01:43:17.000The first votes that were taking place were taking place not all that long ago on the European continent, right?
01:43:22.000I mean, the first votes that were happening on the European continent with any serious ramifications were happening in, like, maybe the 17th century, like, early 17th century in places like Great Britain when Parliament was finally starting to, you know, make its way after the Glorious Revolution.
01:43:37.000This idea that you can, like, go to places that have never seen democracy ever, and we're just going to, like, overthrow the king, and boom.
01:44:01.000If she wants a functioning Palestinian state tomorrow, a functioning democratic Palestinian state tomorrow, all she has to do is declare an election in Jordan.
01:44:32.000Squeeze this one in from the Post Millennial.
01:44:34.000John Fetterman admits Kamala's border bill would grant mass amnesty to illegal immigrants in the U.S. and not secure the border.
01:44:40.000Man, Joe Rogan doing some of the best work of his career, in my opinion.
01:44:44.000I mean, I love that he endorsed Donald Trump just recently, but in this video, he presses Fetterman, asks him, he says, you bring in illegal immigrants, you give them benefits, you give them a place to live, you put them in a swing state, then you grant amnesty, they're going to vote for you.
01:44:56.000Fetterman then, hems and haws, ah, blah, blah.
01:44:59.000Rogan asks him again, and then finally Fetterman says, it's undeniably true.
01:45:04.000Let me just jump to the end on this one.
01:45:08.000Those states and turn them blue forever.
01:45:11.000Well, I'm not really sure if that's what's in play.
01:45:16.000I think it's really important that we have to have an honest conversation.
01:45:20.000But doesn't that seem logical, though?
01:45:21.000If you have a significant number of people that are being moved into swing states that have come across the border illegally, and then you've provided them with all these services, you've provided them with food stamps, EBT, you've provided them with housing...
01:45:34.000You could, if you gave those people amnesty and allowed those people to vote, and it was very organized, you're talking about 75,000 votes over a few counties that switched everything over to the Republicans.
01:45:46.000You could see how you import 10 million people over the course of four years.
01:45:53.000And then move a significant number of them to swing states and then provide them with all these services and then give them a path to citizenship, you could essentially rig those states.
01:46:04.000Undeniably, immigration is changing our nation.
01:46:07.000I mean, I haven't spent a lot of time in Texas, but it's very clear that immigration has remade Texas.
01:46:12.000And I think generally it's for a good thing.
01:46:39.000I don't have them in front of me, but there are a lot of the blue states or a lot of the purple states have seen like 400% increase in refugees that have gone in.
01:46:49.000So this is not something that's made up.
01:46:52.000Again, anyone can go to the Department of Health and Human Services website and you just have to look for the refugee resettlement program.
01:47:26.000But the average person, the average voter, the average marginally informed person that has maybe a half an hour to an hour worth of news diet per week, they listen and they say, no, it's not happening.
01:47:38.000Just like Tim was talking about earlier with his friend about abortion.
01:47:43.000And I've had a lot of friends where I talk about the Second Amendment and I'm like, look, they really do want to go after semi-automatic rifles.
01:47:49.000And they're like, no, no, no, they don't.
01:47:50.000And I... Show them Joe Biden saying we're coming for blah, blah, blah.
01:48:08.000It's slow when you're dealing individually.
01:48:11.000But, I mean, with a platform like we have here tonight, this is part of the reason why I really was hoping that Tim was going to bring this up.
01:48:16.000Because I wanted to point out that HHS has a policy.
01:48:33.000Essentially, the government is saying, we're going to use federal money to change the electorate in states that will affect the results in the favor of the Democrats.
01:48:43.000The real question that we should be asking is, like, why is the border open?
01:48:47.000I mean, it's the most obvious question in the world.
01:48:56.000You want to ship in a bunch of people who you're then going to move around the country.
01:48:59.000You're going to change the demographic of the country so that people can vote who couldn't vote before, and you think that they share your values.
01:49:06.000And people say that that's, you know, a form of great replacement theory.
01:49:09.000Roy Teixeira, who's a left-wing theorist, had been basically claiming that this was the way the country was going to go, you know, since the mid-2000s.
01:49:21.000So, you're either doing it because what you wish to do is add an entire new voting population, or two, you think that America bears some sort of bizarre blood guilt for its existence, and everyone is owed entry to the United States.
01:49:31.000And you do hear this in some of the more extreme circles of the lab, this idea that your status as a refugee means you automatically are granted some sort of admission to the United States.
01:49:40.000Not that another country in between should take you, right?
01:49:44.000And then you want to go to the U.S. You should be able to be led in the U.S. You shouldn't have to, you know, attempt to gain citizenship in France or stop anywhere along the way.
01:49:50.000And there is that element to the left that basically says, you know, you're the ones who took land and you moved the borders and now you expect people.
01:49:58.000And then there's the third group of people, or the third possible reason.
01:50:01.000And the third possible reason is if you build an entire economy on the basis of welfare economics and not producing any children, you need...
01:50:08.000A new demographic base in order to support this giant governmental structure and unworkable labor system that you've created.
01:50:17.000I mean, the reality is that if you unionize all the labor in the United States and if you then create a massive welfare system, who pays for all of this?
01:50:58.000But that means without children, you need a labor force to come in to maintain the system.
01:51:03.000The reasonable response to this is to have pro-family policies, which we don't have.
01:51:07.000Clearly, the Democrats are completely against any type of pro-family policies.
01:51:11.000Well, I think that here we do have to distinguish between what I think politicians talk about as pro-family policies and what actually induces people to have more kids.
01:51:18.000So I think that both Democrats and Republicans have a record of talking about pro-family policies as though this means paid parental leave and greater tax subsidies for people who are having kids.
01:51:27.000And, you know, some of that sounds fine to me.
01:51:29.000Like, listen, if you want to exempt me from taxes because I have four kids, I'm all for it.
01:51:33.000I would have four kids whether you exempted me from taxes or not.
01:51:35.000Because the real gap in the United States is not between people who are on the margin about having a kid and not because of economic circumstance.
01:51:41.000The real problem in the United States ain't nobody going to church.
01:51:44.000That's the real problem in the United States.
01:52:04.000Because it turns out when you believe that your function on this planet is to have kids and then raise them, then this is what you're going to do.
01:52:11.000And if not, it turns out kids are a giant pain in the ass and a waste of time and a huge economic expense.
01:52:17.000I mean, it used to be, back in the olden days, they were labor for your farm, but nobody's doing that anymore.
01:52:21.000So exactly what is the upside of having kids when you could have...
01:52:24.000A cute dog that you carry around in a purse or something.
01:52:26.000The first thing God says to man is be fruitful and multiply.
01:52:29.000Before sin even enters the world, God says be fruitful and multiply.
01:52:32.000It's the original purpose, from a religious point of view, the original purpose of man.
01:52:37.000But this incentive thing that you talk about is really important.
01:52:39.000So the idea of government policy to incentivize people to have children, Seamus and I were actually talking about this before the show, that it's actually a left-wing point of view that essentially says that good spiritual fruit is born out of materialist seeds.
01:52:57.000That essentially we're good if the economics are there for us to be good.
01:53:01.000And reality always works exactly the opposite of that, right, that actually in the long term for society materialist success is born out of spiritual seeds.
01:53:10.000But I would say the fact that we changed all the economics around having a child are the reason that we now think that it is fundamentally an economic issue.
01:53:19.000It isn't fundamentally an economic issue, but there is an economic component, and we broke the economic component.
01:53:24.000It used to be that having children made you wealthier, and now having children makes you poorer, which obviously, in an already spiritually distressed society, does disincentivize people to have children.
01:53:36.000We were talking about this a few months ago, that people say, oh, it's too expensive to have kids only because the market doesn't exist because people aren't having kids.
01:53:44.000So there are less people doing the job, driving prices up, and it becomes harder over time.
01:53:48.000But I agree about the religion components of people having kids.
01:53:53.000I also think there's a propagandistic component coming from Malthusians and liberals.
01:54:02.000And shout out to you, Ben, for when you were talking about Chelsea Handler, how this is a woman who made a video where she says she wakes up late, does drugs and masturbates, and she's never happier.
01:54:12.000And you were saying that woman is miserable, she's not happy.
01:54:15.000You know, my response was, I think she's happier than a pig and shit, but she's going to be on her deathbed.
01:54:19.000She's going to be in a hospital when she's 79 or whatever.
01:54:22.000The doctor's going to walk into a dark, sterile room and say, Ms.
01:54:26.000Handler, is there anyone I should call?
01:54:28.000And she's going to say no, and he's going to say, press the button if you need us, and he's going to leave her there.
01:54:32.000And that is a horror story for any human being.
01:54:35.000That is a great point of view from a man who is not yet a father.
01:54:42.000But you will discover, and it'll be fun to come on the show and talk about this in, say, five years.
01:54:48.000As has been said by wiser men than I, it is a great act of God's grace that he does not allow people without children to know what they're missing.
01:54:58.000And so, I do think that Chelsea Handler does drugs and masturbates and is happy.
01:55:06.000She's happy within the maximal amount of happiness that she is capable of attaining to.
01:55:14.000And she is not even aware, because God is nice to people with no children and blinds them, she's not even aware that she hasn't even scratched the surface of human happiness.
01:55:24.000She doesn't know that her cup is like, it's like that funny moment when I was a kid, before Dumbo, there were the little cartoons, and one of them was Mickey and the Beanstalk.
01:55:33.000You remember Mickey and the Beanstalk?
01:55:43.000They're in the land of the giants, and they come up to this giant wall, and they can hear the golden harp singing on the other side of the wall, so they attempt to scale the wall.
01:55:50.000And it's classic cartoon, you know, I put my hands together, and you step on, and then you step on my head, and finally you get up, and then you reach down.
01:55:56.000They finally get up, and it takes all this effort, and they get up on top of the wall, and then they turn around, and the camera zooms out, and it's not a wall at all.
01:56:19.000And when you have a child, you turn around and you go, there are 100 more steps of happiness that I did not even know were possible.
01:56:27.000And I will have to suffer to get up every one of those steps because it's not easy to have a kid.
01:56:32.000I'll suffer every one of these steps, but I will know more and more and more joy.
01:56:36.000And I will just say, because every parent knows this, of which I am only now discovering as I am soon to be a dad, is the first images that I saw of my soon-to-be daughter is an indescribable feeling.
01:56:48.000And that's why I really hammer in the, we are being lied to, and the machine is trying to lie to people.
01:56:55.000Because I can only say to people who have not yet had a family, and we're working on it, we're not even there yet, I can't imagine what it's going to be like seeing my actual child, seeing just the ultrasound and all of these photos, indescribable, and you guys give me this look, and you know, and I don't, but I've looked through the keyhole, and I just got to say, they're lying to you about what it's like.
01:57:18.000When the media says they've got this Time Magazine cover, The Easy Life, and it's two people looking all, you know, posh and fancy, and they're living good, and I'm like, mmm, man.
01:57:27.000But what I will say is this, is I believed you guys.
01:57:30.000And I believed what everybody had been saying about having a family.
01:57:33.000And the story of Chelsea Handler is a horror story.
01:58:47.000And they're all wonderful, and they're all horrible, and they're the best thing that's ever happened to me by far.
01:58:52.000My wife, my kids, by far the best thing.
01:58:54.000The way that I describe it, the way Jeremy's describing it, obviously, we're in the same boat as far as having families, is that when you're a single person, your spectrum of joy in life goes from zero to ten.
01:59:05.000Okay, like, zero is, like, things suck.
01:59:37.000The best things that happen in your life are always, always 100% of the time things that are happening with your kids, and the worst things that are happening in your life are 100% of the time things that are happening with your kids.
01:59:47.000If you've ever had a kid with a health problem, So, you know, obviously, my first daughter, thank God, she's totally fine, but when she was born, she was born with a hole in her heart.
01:59:54.000She had, like, a full open heart surgery when she was a year and a half old.
01:59:56.000They cut open her chest, the whole thing.
01:59:58.000It was, thank God, great surgeon in L.A., actually the same surgeon that Jimmy Kimmel then used.
02:00:04.000His kid had a similar condition, and then he claimed that it was all about public health care and all this.
02:00:08.000And on the basis of his kid's surgery, he said this was the case for public health care.
02:00:14.000But, you know, when something bad happens to your kid, it's awful, but...
02:00:18.000Your kids are everything, because in the end, the only thing, when you ask people what matters in life, truly what matters in life, what I think what matters in life, It's always been true and it's still true.
02:00:29.000Go to a cemetery, look what's written on the headstones.
02:00:32.000What's written on the headstones is not masturbate and did pot.
02:00:36.000What's written on the headstone is the role that you fulfilled, the duty that you did.
02:00:40.000It is beloved father, beloved husband, beloved wife, beloved sister.
02:00:44.000It's all the things you were to everybody around you.
02:00:47.000This is the stuff that happiness and true happiness are made of.
02:00:49.000I can also say, last thing, that you will discover when you have children that being an older father is a blessing.
02:01:02.000And it's one of the sad tricks that we should have children when we're young, but having children when we're young prevents us from seeing something that we get to see as old fathers, which is that you no longer have any fear of missing out.
02:01:23.000You've achieved all these enormous successes in your life.
02:01:26.000You've had all these enormous experiences.
02:01:28.000You've been in Ukraine at least twice that we've talked about just on this show.
02:01:33.000You're just going to want to go home and see your kid.
02:01:35.000And when young people have kids, they sometimes think, this kid is preventing me from knowing the actual fullness of what life is supposed to be.
02:01:43.000And only those of us who've gotten to experience it from the other point of view.
02:01:45.000I've achieved all the things that you were supposed to, that you might daydream of achieving.
02:01:50.000And I kind of resented being on your show tonight.
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