This week on Hold It Down, we discuss the latest Epstein scandal, Bijan Robinson s no-no word, and the new AI ads coming to your Netflix shows, and we'll also talk about Tyler Robinson.
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00:06:08.000BBC Verify has been analyzing the 19 photos from the estate of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, published today by the Democrats on the House Oversight Committee.
00:06:18.000Using reverse image search, an online tool which matches an image to any previous versions on the internet, we've been able to confirm that at least three of the photos have been seen before.
00:06:26.000One photo shows President Donald Trump alongside Epstein and a woman at an event.
00:06:31.000This was taken at a Victoria's secret party in New York in 1997 and has been published by U.S. media.
00:06:36.000Getty Images has different photos of Trump and the woman at the event and it identified her as model Ingwind Sainivan?
00:07:03.000It seems to me that this is just more effort to smear Donald Trump.
00:07:07.000Well, I mean, the fact that they crossed, so it's funny how it's so BBC, right?
00:07:12.000They're under like official naming conventions here.
00:07:14.000So you can't say Prince Andrew anymore because he's no longer Prince Andrew.
00:07:17.000So you get Andrew Mountainbaton Windsor, but then King Charles is still King Charles.
00:07:23.000But the Democrats actually cropped the photo of King Charles.
00:07:28.000And this just reminds me, if you go back, that when James O'Keefe, and I always say this was the best scoop that James O'Keefe ever got, was that ABC.
00:07:38.000Remember this ABC anchor when she was off air, but they had the footage of it because somebody leaked it to him where she was just saying, oh yeah, you know, we've got this whole story on Epstein.
00:07:52.000But then the royal family called and shut it down.
00:07:56.000What do you mean the royal family called and shut down your story on Epstein?
00:07:59.000And yet, once again, we get this protection of the royal family.
00:08:03.000And yeah, you look at the, oh, we got a picture of Donald Trump from two decades ago.
00:08:09.000Like literally before any of this came out, before the same story we've heard over and over and over, but suddenly they sit and play that, oh, it's a news picture.
00:08:17.000It's like, okay, well, we knew that Trump was at the party that's already out there.
00:08:21.000And okay, we found a picture of him and another guy at the party.
00:08:26.000But they play this very low IQ game where, oh, this guy and this guy, and they act like it's all part of the same circle when it's two decades prior.
00:08:34.000So I got a nephew that's 20, I think he's 21 now, and he actually just texted me a few minutes ago saying that they put on NBC and they were watching the news during lunch and that this release was talked about and they were talking about Donald Trump the entire time.
00:08:49.000The whole point of this psychological operation.
00:09:01.000You know, he became a household name in 2019 because that was, of course, during the first Trump administration and Democrats suspected that they'd be able to, as they're trying to now, tie it to Donald Trump, his friends, his administration.
00:09:13.000And I think that we just need to give ourselves permission to understand that these people are not like accidentally moral.
00:09:18.000They're not like accidentally like doing the right thing one time.
00:09:20.000Like the same party infrastructure that wants to groom your children, that wants them to be, you know, undergoing these surgeries.
00:09:26.000Totally fine with like everything evil, like the most evil things we've ever seen manifest politically in this country.
00:09:31.000But this one time we're supposed to believe they're like actually getting it right and they really have their heart in the right place as they're going to, you know, release the freaking Epstein files or whatever, specifically because they view it to be correctly a vector of attacking Trump in language that his base is sympathetic to.
00:09:45.000You know, you can call Trump a racist every day.
00:09:48.000But all of a sudden you start talking about pedophilia.
00:09:50.000That's something that we are obviously very concerned about because we see what happens in this country with child abuse.
00:09:55.000Much of that, by the way, occurring because of who floods into the country through the southern border, which they couldn't, you know, care less about.
00:10:00.000And so, yeah, it's completely disingenuous.
00:10:29.000So they're going back to season one, which means the age of the child is like, I think he's like 10, 11 when that season is supposed to take place.
00:10:36.000And, you know, they used, you know, CGI to make him to de-age him.
00:10:39.000And so you just see it going into his mouth and he's like sucking down the dark juices of Gay Darth Vader, who's the new bad guy in Stranger Things.
00:10:47.000But apparently it turns him into, apparently it turns him into Gay Luke Skywalker later on in season five because he gets powers because of, again, he drank the juices.
00:10:56.000And it's just like, it's just an obvious sense of, do you have that high disgust factor or not?
00:11:03.000Like, are you actually clued into what you're watching?
00:11:05.000And so I wanted to, I want to just respond to what John said because it was genius.
00:11:09.000That what the Democrats are doing here doesn't actually mean that they are better.
00:11:16.000It actually means that they are cynical because they're so cynical that they'll use this.
00:11:20.000And they'll always skip over the fact, and everybody skips over this fact, that it was Donald Trump who arrested Jeffrey Epstein.
00:11:26.000It was Donald Trump's administration that put him in jail.
00:11:29.000And if you believe certain theories, you might even think that Donald Trump had him killed in prison because, again, he was the one who did it.
00:11:36.000He was the president when all of this happened.
00:11:39.000I'm just like, if you are on that side, wouldn't it then follow by your own internal logic?
00:11:45.000But there's also something really interesting that John said that I wanted to get to because this came up recently with Elon, when he was tweeting about this, that in in the sense of that Cinnabon worker who got fired and like oh, she said the n-word, she did this.
00:12:00.000But then Elon was pointing out well, it's just a word and this is.
00:12:04.000And then so one of the Democrats, one of these lib accounts, was coming at me talking about this saying, oh well, it's not, it's not acceptable under any context.
00:12:13.000But the discourse on top of that was, well, wait a minute, you know, is a thought crime actually higher than an actual, real physical crime like pedophilia?
00:12:28.000In their moral infrastructure, their moral superstructure, they believe that saying a word that they don't like, a no-no word, which we're going to talk about in a minute, is actually worse than rape, murder, or pedophilia.
00:12:42.000And this kind of gets into like the heat map meme where they try, which they constantly try to, this study where they try to debunk it and they try to claim that it's not true.
00:12:52.000But it actually is true that they don't care about things that actually happen to people.
00:12:56.000They care about thoughts and they care about feelings.
00:12:59.000Well, the crazy thing about this is if there was a smoking gun, they would have dropped that years ago.
00:13:05.000The Biden administration would have never let that go.
00:13:08.000If they had anything on Trump about this, it would have been front and center.
00:13:12.000It would have been an extra charge to the rest of his charges that they hit him with when he was running for president back in the day.
00:13:17.000And even now, you know, they keep dropping photos from days past.
00:13:21.000If there was any legitimate, any legitimacy to these allegations about Trump, we would have seen it by now.
00:13:28.000No Democrat would have ever dropped this and let that down.
00:13:31.000So, you know, I don't know what's going on with this, but it's just like you have nothing.
00:13:35.000And even Trump says that you have nothing because you would have used it against me.
00:13:39.000Yeah, to the, Serge, if you could bring up the picture again, the headline, the only point I want to make is, you know, the BBC has blocked out, what is it, six women in this?
00:13:49.000And the whole point of doing that is to imply that they're underage.
00:13:54.000If it wasn't for the fact that they're trying to, you know, make the viewer feel a certain thing, they would just put these people in, put their faces on there without a problem.
00:15:18.000And then you're there like, yeah, I'm really owning these people.
00:15:20.000Meanwhile, the actual political project, which has achieved for us, every success we've had in the last 10 years, every deceleration of bad things in the last 10 years, they have convinced you to not support that because you're so freaking based and you know how the world works so well right now.
00:15:33.000And then what is the manifestation of that?
00:15:34.000You are opting out of the only political process that in your lifetime has ever actually worked for you.
00:15:38.000That is the op right now that is afoot.
00:15:48.000If your ideas are not making it so that you cannot have consequences because you think the whole thing is corrupt, we just have to wait until the people wake up, man.
00:16:00.000We need to actually be the ones to enact political change.
00:16:02.000And so insofar as social media trends, censorship, all that stuff is going on, these headlines, again, it is about appealing to Trump's base in language that they understand and saying, well, actually, Trump isn't bad because of these reasons that we made up in our head.
00:16:42.000like don't worry about it we're good and it's like as soon as it means they can get at trump they'll like chuck the entire royal family under the bus because it's like convenient for them Meanwhile, BBC is like platforming like kneecap, who their entire, they're like LARPing like they're these like Irish revolutionaries and they're like going to war with the queen.
00:16:57.000It's like, hey, the royal family hasn't been relevant in 100 years.
00:17:01.000This is just an example of like they can just like totally grind these guys and they're just total cannon fog.
00:17:06.000And the royal family would say that they agree with everything kneecap says except for the fact that the royal family shouldn't be the royals.
00:17:14.000Well, and this goes to show you that no matter how much control the left has over a certain society, like they have over the UK, for example, and this is BBC.
00:17:23.000And that's, you know, it gives us a window into this, the way that they're very specific about the titles and which words they use, that they will still act as if they are the victims.
00:18:14.000But no, it's so good because it was that line about Christopher Columbus.
00:18:17.000And they were like, I forget exactly, but they were like, every time a teacher brings up Christopher Columbus, they say, you know, I'm not supposed to say this.
00:18:24.000And it's like, but he was actually a bad guy.
00:18:25.000It's like, no, literally every teacher says that.
00:18:27.000And like every show about him says that.
00:18:30.000Yeah, it's in, you know, I remember this very well because I just got out of the public school system like, I don't know, eight years ago or something.
00:18:36.000But every iteration of American history, whether you're learning about it in third grade, eighth grade, or in high school, they always begin it by saying, now in America, we typically don't teach this, but, and then they teach it.
00:18:45.000And so it's like, because if you're a liberal, you have to ignore the fact that all the most powerful people in the world pretty much agree with you and what you would like the world to look like or what they've convinced you that the world should look like.
00:18:56.000You have to like rationalize how you want to be the revolutionary fighting the man while also controlling like every major institution, you know, the United States government, et cetera.
00:19:05.000So the way they do that is just by telling themselves that like, oh, actually, we aren't allowed to teach this.
00:21:04.000Batman could not beat that confession out of me.
00:21:07.000I would never have like a problem with that and indicate that I was the one being smeared in this circumstance.
00:21:12.000So yeah, it's so much, I really am of the opinion, and this is not my idea.
00:21:15.000I read this on Twitter and I'll regurgitate it because that's where all the best content is.
00:21:18.000But someone said something like, you know, whether or not you had fun in high school is like the greatest predictor, not perfect, but the greatest predictor of how adjusted you're going to be in the real world.
00:21:26.000And that's like when I see stuff like this where people are like, you know, you can't use that word to talk about this.
00:21:30.000Like, again, it makes you wonder, what was their experience like?
00:23:12.000I mean, it's certainly less insane than it was at the peak in 2020, but I think about it like, you know, you're conquering a city and in the process of conquering, you're seeing some pretty ugly stuff and it's like pretty intense.
00:23:22.000But once it's settled down and they're just kind of peacefully governing the city, they're still in power and there's still consequences for stepping out of line, but you're not seeing guys get like, you know, executed or something in public.
00:23:31.000So it's certainly not as bad as it used to be, but it's still, you know, well, yeah.
00:23:36.000But I mean, I think that that's a great point.
00:23:37.000Like, we've talked about how the left has been kind of pushed back, but in their, it's not their death throes, but as they lose ground, they become more aggressive and more feral.
00:24:00.000And she actually made the cases like, no, it's just ramping up, ramping up.
00:24:03.000Whether there's a leftist in power, whether or not it's actually people with an in-group preference, when their person's in charge, they take it all.
00:24:53.000And that could be because they're less competent.
00:24:57.000But you should watch the show and make the decision yourself.
00:24:59.000Before we move subjects on this, on the Smear the Career story, that I was, so I've gone back and knows my wife wasn't born in this country, but so that also just means there's a lot of media that like she doesn't know about because she didn't, she wasn't here in the 90s.
00:26:53.000And I'm just, I'm just going to say this because this was a normal like 10 p.m. comedy show in the mid-2000s or early 2000s, which was not, again, yeah, it was considered raunchy, of course, but it wasn't something that was considered like, oh, we need to pull that off the air ever.
00:28:27.000Like, it's, it's just poking fun at all the little differences between everybody.
00:28:31.000And people would call it, some people call it casual racism or whatever.
00:28:35.000But the idea that the idea that like an old Chris Rock bit, you know, that comp that this used to be the way that we sort of like lived in society together.
00:28:47.000Like we have differences and we just laughed about it.
00:29:12.000So like, you know, like I grew up with it, you know?
00:29:14.000But this is something that society used to embrace.
00:29:17.000And our society, because the United States has so many different people from so many different backgrounds, even if you're only talking exclusively about white people, right?
00:29:26.000It used to be the Italians and the Irish would give crap to the English and blah, blah, blah.
00:29:32.000It was, again, how you relate to each other and it was how you made sure that you could get along in a society where there were very different backgrounds.
00:29:40.000And nowadays, the left has made that so toxic that you see people actually alienating more.
00:29:47.000And you see people looking at each other's differences as something bad and something that you don't want to involve yourself with, as opposed to saying, okay, we're a little bit different, but we all kind of want the same things and we're all very similar in a mindset.
00:30:00.000Well, they twist you up because it's like you can't say anything about the differences, but also you have to celebrate diversity.
00:30:30.000And now you look at WWE and it's, I'm still, I'm not following it, but I understand that its audience has stopped being like just normal Americans.
00:30:37.000And now there's a huge liberal presence in the fans.
00:30:40.000They really have no tolerance for like the old Vince McMahon style of running.
00:30:43.000I mean, he's not even at the company yet.
00:30:45.000They're called the IWC, the internet, or was it Internet Wrestling Fans or something like that?
00:30:50.000But like Vince McMahon, if he was going to say like, okay, I want to incorporate a foreign market, not because I care about foreigners necessarily, but because I'm a ruthless capitalist, we're going to bring in a guy from Japan.
00:31:01.000Oh, is he going to be just like, what?
00:31:10.000Like, yeah, we're just going to like, we're going to have Hulk Hogan, rest in peace, come out and he's going to be the big American.
00:31:17.000He's going to go up against like this Iranian guy and it's going to be this huge like clash of worlds or an Irish guy.
00:31:21.000He's going to come out and literally just be like the, so it was like acknowledging these stereotypes, not because it's like, hey, we don't, I mean, there probably was a little bit of nativism there.
00:31:29.000There probably was a little bit of nativism there like in the American audience.
00:31:32.000But it was like part of it, you know, and you could acknowledge those differences.
00:31:35.000And ultimately, it was fun, it was entertaining, and it was a good like pressure release valve from what otherwise is gonna, you know, be some serious headbutting when you're not allowed to do it.
00:31:43.000When the rock for Dwayne Johnson, like when he first came out, wasn't he part of like what do they call that thing?
00:31:48.000It was like a nation of Islam kind of thing.
00:32:13.000He was um one of Vince McMahon's top um writers for like 10 years.
00:32:19.000So I mean, he was very, very up in that, used to be the head writer raw, um, did like three WrestleManias, um, just worked with Vince very closely.
00:32:29.000And, you know, I remember asking him, like, what do you think about the Netflix documentary?
00:33:13.000I'm an old about like the heel turn is because you know, there's only so many ways you can do it.
00:33:18.000Like, there's maybe like two ways, and you ultimately you want the audience to hate you.
00:33:21.000So either you betray like a baby face and you out of nowhere, or you come out and you let your ego and you're like, you know, I did this all by myself.
00:33:29.000And so now I'm seeing AI video audience where you'll have Martin Luther King come out and he's the WWE champion and he's got a mic and he'll be like, you know what?
00:33:52.000But I do think that it speaks to the way that we used to be able to relate to each other and the fact that that's kind of gone away because of all the wolves.
00:34:19.000When I saw Stephen Hawking from the top rope on his wheelchair, I was like, all right, I can't.
00:34:25.000There was one which I almost feel bad even reiterating, but I laughed at it where a certain basketball player who is unfortunately no longer with us was in the ring and he was talking about like, who gonna stop me?
00:35:01.000It plays on the hero's journey in many cases.
00:35:04.000And it plays on these meta-narratives that we tell each other that we can sort of see throughout society and throughout the world.
00:35:10.000And when you play with that, and that gets you into the, you know, the idea of Kay Fabery, right?
00:35:17.000And, you know, as a writer for, you know, for wrestling, they'll say like, like, you, you have to, you have to keep it within the spectrum of the, you know, the real, like, in the sense of, you know, will this betrayal make sense?
00:35:31.000If this person wins, would that make sense?
00:35:33.000And when it doesn't, because the audience gets to vote on this stuff, is what I'm trying to say.
00:35:36.000So, like, even if, you know, yeah, we know, okay, like it's written.
00:35:40.000Like, yes, it was like Marvel and Star Wars, people like that too.
00:35:43.000But, like, if you don't like it, if it doesn't get over with the crowd, yeah.
00:35:47.000And if it, and so, like, the Montreal screwdriver is a great example of this with Bret Hart and stuff where people will just be like, that's so obviously fake that, you know, the audience just starts.
00:35:57.000And then, so there are stories of like Vince McMahon going in and like editing out the booze and like different master reels and stuff and sweetening, you know, the cheers and or like something doesn't get a cheer, so he just adds it in later.
00:36:22.000We're going to jump to this story, and I imagine everyone has a lot to say about it.
00:36:24.000Reddit is suing the Australian government over social media ban for under 16s.
00:36:30.000So Australia has decided that they're going to protect the kids in Australia.
00:36:35.000And they're going to say that you have to be 16 years old to access social media.
00:36:40.000And Reddit has, oh, we don't have this article.
00:36:44.000And Reddit has taken to, you know, has a problem with it.
00:36:48.000So from the Wall Street Journal, they were saying Reddit is taking the Australian government to court to block its social media ban for children under the age of 16, saying the ban infringes on the freedom of political discourse.
00:36:58.000I imagine most of the guys here kind of feel like it's a good idea to limit the social media diet of young people.
00:37:07.000And I personally, I think it's a good idea too.
00:37:09.000Now, I think that it should be something that parents do, but I don't think, and I don't think that the government should be doing it.
00:37:15.000But I do think that, especially considering Australia's government, they're really worried about, you know, right-leaning.
00:37:32.000And like, I might get some flack for this, but it's true.
00:37:34.000Is like you would see left-wing cities loosen up gun restrictions from time to time.
00:37:39.000And they weren't doing that because they were like 2A absolutists.
00:37:41.000They were doing that so they could get people off of gun charges.
00:37:43.000Because if the DA was desperate and he got a guy on a crime and he didn't have anything else, it'd be airtight.
00:37:48.000He'd chuck a gun charge on there and guarantee he'd put away this guy.
00:37:51.000And this is obviously before like a big influx of like Soros DAs came in, is they would basically lax gun law so that way they could let so it's the same what I'm getting at is it's the same idea.
00:38:00.000It's like when the left throws you a bone on something like this, there's a huge ulterior mode of not to mention getting sued by Reddit has to be the most embarrassing thing ever.
00:38:09.000It's how bad you have to call out to get sued by Reddit.
00:38:12.000I mean, I don't blame them banning kids off Reddit because, you know, why are you on Reddit in the first place?
00:38:16.000You know, for Reddit Karma or whatever.
00:38:18.000But, you know, like you said with the gun thing, now all of a sudden leftists are pro-Second Amendment because they have these, what is it, the Pink Pony Club, all these weird groups that are now showing up with guns.
00:38:30.000And like even Tyler Robinson, maybe like we're looking into, you know, they're becoming extremists with these and they're starting to embrace this, which is, you know, it doesn't be, it's kind of different.
00:38:39.000They always say the right is always the gun nuts, but you know, the left has started to embrace these, you know, guns.
00:38:52.000And I mean, maybe we know the story there.
00:38:53.000Like they fetishized this guy who was like literally insane who just went around just like killing normal white people because he thought that would cause a slave uprising.
00:39:00.000You know he was hung just like right down the street here.
00:39:10.000You know, Reagan, I'm not like the biggest Reagan guy, but a lot of stuff that people criticize Reagan for one of the things like a lot of 2A absolutists get mad at Reagan because one of the things he did as governor of California was crack down on open carrying.
00:39:22.000And so if you're just looking at that on paper, you're like, what the frick, Ronald Reagan?
00:39:26.000The reason he was doing that is because Black Panthers were showing up like with rifles trying to intimidate like normal just white American Christians.
00:39:32.000And Reagan was like, okay, we're probably going to stop that given that you people have been like, shouldn't say you people, given that members of your organization and affiliates have been like killing police officers, trying to incite violence and things of that nature.
00:39:43.000So, you know, and you saw that too, to your point about the throwing the bone with Zoran Mandani recently when he did that thing where he's talking about deregulating.
00:39:50.000Dude, all these people are so desperate to think that we can finally just like talk our way out of this with the left that they're like, ha, the pendulum's swinging back, and they've learned that they're going to have to deregulate because of market economics and reading, you know, Henry Hazlitt or whatever.
00:40:05.000And it's because the deregulation he's referring to, as he mentions, is specifically stuff pertaining to fines when you've got like, I don't know, fecal matter in the kitchen.
00:40:13.000Things that you would expect from third world people coming over and trying to exist in civilization for the first time.
00:40:18.000And they just wouldn't think to do stuff like that, like maintain clean standards, not have you know, child labor.
00:40:23.000And so the American government would come in the New York City government and be like, okay, well, you're probably going to have to like pay a fine for that.
00:40:27.000And so when he's deregulating, removing red tape, it's not because he's like some pro-market, like based capitalist or whatever.
00:40:33.000It's specifically because he's trying to help these people, these foreigners in New York, who are who elected him because native-born New Yorkers went for Cuomo.
00:40:40.000It was only the foreign population that installed Mamdani into becoming mayor.
00:40:44.000And so I tried to explain that to people.
00:40:46.000I was like, you need to be 200 IQ enough to understand that in this instance, deregulation is actually Marxist.
00:40:52.000Yeah, well, there's like it's people and people that I know and respect, and I think they're really smart people.
00:40:56.000They're desperate to like intellectualize what's happening with Mamdani.
00:40:59.000They're like, oh, this is like wholesome Chungus populism.
00:41:01.000And it's like, they're desperately trying to like retcon what is obviously just an instance of third worldism that's come to this come to this country.
00:41:09.000And yeah, they're trying to backfell and be like, no, he's actually speaking about like housing.
00:41:13.000And like that's, he's really like prying deep into these concerns that New Yorkers have.
00:41:16.000I'm like, the New Yorker you have in your head is in Florida right now.
00:41:21.000What we're dealing with is an entirely different composition of people.
00:41:24.000The entire population half of Queens is foreign-born.
00:41:26.000When Trump was growing up there, it was certainly not the case.
00:41:29.000And by the way, Trump's keenly aware of that.
00:41:31.000But yeah, this like trying to intellectualize Mamdani when it's very straightforward what he's doing.
00:41:36.000This is just how politics is conducted in his homeland of Uganda.
00:41:40.000Like that, that the wholesome Chungus populism stuff needs to stop.
00:41:45.000So when I confronted Mandami in the White House, in the Oval Office, and I knew that I would get a question and, or at least have the opportunity to kind of get a question in.
00:43:17.000And he's doing that by specifically targeting one group of people that he has designated as the enemy class, the Kulaks, that he wants to then take what they have built and give it to others.
00:43:28.000And it's so key, by the way, that he said white neighborhoods.
00:43:31.000And that's why I brought that up to him.
00:45:43.000He's thinking of Staten Island, like actually just like normal middle-class white people because he said in his own words in college that he resents white people because he was rejected by white women growing up.
00:46:10.000All he did was just read her quote where she was basically saying that Hispanics and black people that voted for Trump in Texas were slaves.
00:46:18.000And he literally read her quote verbatim and she's like, that's not what I was saying at all.
00:46:22.000I don't know what you're talking about.
00:46:24.000But what would you predict if you had said that?
00:46:27.000So it's just like the new strategy is just read these people's words back to them and then just watch them quiver.
00:46:33.000And it's really frustrating because at the point that the stage that the left is at, I don't even know if that really even works anymore.
00:46:39.000I mean, like, legitimately, they just, it's so over.
00:46:42.000Well, it doesn't, it doesn't work on them, but what you can hopefully do is try to find people in the middle who may be kind of trapped up in this like pretzel logic that John's talking about of, no, no, it's, it's really good, actually, that our enemies are winning, you know, and you just say to them, no, it's, it's very clear what he's doing.
00:47:02.000This isn't some deregulation, like based libertarian kind of thing.
00:47:05.000He's, no, it's, it's still just gay race Marxism, terrorist communism over and over and over.
00:47:11.000And no, you know, to your point, and the other people who have this take, like, oh, Mamdani is going to be so bad that like it's going to change people's minds and they'll rise up.
00:47:19.000It's like, when has that happened exactly?
00:47:35.000It's just like once power is stripped away from you and they cut off your avenues to power, it's over.
00:47:41.000That's why Elon is so good on a lot of these issues because he's already lost a country.
00:47:47.000And he's, I feel like he's never come out and just said it, but you can tell that's why he fights so hard against this stuff.
00:47:57.000But not like he's called out the South African government plenty of times, but I don't know if he's ever just specifically said this, what we did was wrong, right?
00:48:06.000When we turned the country over and wrote wokeism and DEI and critical race theory into our, when Bill Clinton went with Nelson Mandela and wrote his critical race theory into the Constitution of South Africa, it destroyed our country.
00:48:21.000So I'm going to try to, I think we've got this piece here.
00:48:25.000We're going to bring up this story here from the Daily Mail, an exclusive Charlie Kirk shooting suspect twisted courtroom remarks revealed.
00:48:32.000From the Daily Mail, the Utah man accused of murdering Charlie Kirk made a series of upsetting remarks about the late conservative and his family, as well as his own mental health and loved ones during his first in-person court hearing.
00:48:44.000Tyler Robinson 22 told attorney Catherine Nestor, I think about the shooting daily, every morning, all the time.
00:48:50.000Forensic lip reading expert Nicole Hickling revealed after watching footage filmed at Thursday's proceedings in Provo, Utah.
00:48:59.000You know, I can imagine that Jack has the most to say about this.
00:49:03.000But before we jump to Jack, it's my sense that this guy, if he is the actual murderer, he's behaving as if he's totally remorseless.
00:49:16.000I mean, I would too, if you have, you know, if you have half the people that want him on trial, if even that put even if even Charlie's fans are divided now, now after the whole Candace thing, you know, his chances at a mistrial or hell even getting off are pretty high right now.
00:49:32.000I mean, he could potentially have jurors on the trial that are like, I don't know if he even did it too.
00:49:38.000You know, you would think conservatives would have them, you know, be the most ardent to put him behind bars for life, but that's not even true.
00:49:45.000I mean, I've seen a poll online, you know, Twitter where it's someone's asking, I think it was you, Jack, who asked, you know, who, who do you think killed Charlie Kirk?
00:49:54.000You know, there was like I've talked about it, but I didn't do the poll.
00:50:07.000And, you know, if I was Tyler Robinson, you know, I'd be smiling too because his chances of getting away from, you know, with, you know, the shooting of the century right now are, you know, remarked completely high.
00:50:51.000And, you know, I said, well, no wonder they want to pull the cameras out because they can't stop their defendant, their client, from smirking and cracking up and cracking jokes while There's a guy who's not going to be going home to his family on Christmas and his little children and his wife.
00:51:11.000And you're sitting in the courtroom just laughing it up with your lawyers.
00:52:22.000It was cooperation about the boyfriend.
00:52:25.000Imagine, you know, you see what happens with Luigi Maggion, and you think that you're going to have that same kind of fangirl energy or something.
00:52:33.000And then your transgender partner turns you in.
00:52:35.000And it's like, dude, how can you be surprised that Z switched up on you when Z switched up on himself first?
00:52:42.000Well, and if you actually, so there's another line on there where it says, the forensic lip reading expert also said, so he had a wife.
00:52:52.000Yeah, the Utah man accused of murdering Charlie Kirk made a series of upsetting remarks about the late conservative and his family, as well as his own mental health and loved ones during his first in-person court hearing, court hearing.
00:53:02.000Tyler Robinson, 22, told attorney Catherine Nestor, I think about the shooting daily every morning, all the time.
00:53:09.000Forensic lip reading expert Nicola Hickling revealed after watching footage filmed at Thursday's proceeding in Provo, Utah.
00:53:17.000So he had a wife, Robinson was then filmed saying in reference to 31-year-old Kirk's widow, Erica 37.
00:53:24.000So can, like, all right, before I even comment on this, does that sound like something a normal person would be saying in court to their lawyer?
00:53:34.000You know, can you, can anyone actually think that a lawyer would sit there and give their client advice, say, hey, make sure you talk about the shooting when we're sitting there and definitely talk about his wife?
00:53:44.000Like, like you would, you would probably sit there, and I'm not a defense attorney, but and I don't think any of us are lawyers, but you would just think basic common sense would be like, sit there, don't show any emotion, look serious, be respectful, be respectful of the judge, respectful of the process.
00:54:13.000Like he's babbling like someone who is just totally radicalized.
00:54:17.000Hickling, who runs lip reader, told the Daily Mail that Robinson's reflections turned inward and that he gestured lightly as if trying to express exhaustion.
00:54:25.000Nestor's responses to Robinson accused of shooting Kirk dead in Orem, Utah in September, were not visible.
00:54:31.000But Robinson continued to bear her soul, to bear his soul to her, just smoking a lot, not sleeping at night.
00:54:38.000It's driving me mental, he said, according to Hickling.
00:54:59.000Next, Robinson began speaking about his mother, Amber Robinson.
00:55:02.000My mother goes away to see friends to be away from the media, which I think makes sense.
00:55:06.000After another back and forth, he then said, What I would like to do is make it as easy as possible by answering all of their questions so there's no comeback.
00:55:14.000It is unclear about what comeback Robinson was referring to.
00:55:20.000He and Nestor then discuss procedural issues, which offered no further insight into the shooting, Robinson's state of mind, or his questions about Charlie and Erica Kirk.
00:55:28.000Thursday's appearance was the first time Robinson was seen in person after making previous court appearances via video or audio feed from jail.
00:55:36.000As he entered the courtroom, he smiled at the people sitting in a row reserved for family, where his mother teared up and wiped her eyes with a tissue.
00:55:44.000Robinson's father, Matt, was the one who handed him in to the authorities after recognizing his son in surveillance footage shared from the assassination that shocked the world.
00:55:53.000Robinson's legal team in the Utah County Sheriff's Office have asked Judge Tony Graff to ban cameras in the courtroom.
00:55:59.000Shortly after proceedings started, Judge Graff ordered all press and public to leave the room.
00:56:03.000The defense asked the judge to allow Robinson's parents to stay, which was quickly denied.
00:56:08.000Gaff had already made allowances to protect Robinson's presumption of innocence before the trial, agreeing that the case has drawn extraordinary public attention.
00:56:16.000The judge held a closed hearing on October 24th, in which attorneys discussed Robinson's courtroom attire and security protocols.
00:56:23.000Under a subsequent ruling by the judge, the suspect is allowed to wear street clothes in court during his pretrial hearings, but must be restrained for security.
00:56:31.000Graf also prohibited media from filming or photographing his restraints after his attorneys argued images of him shackled and in jail could prejudice the jurors.
00:56:42.000Michael Judge, an attorney for the media coalition, has urged Graf to let news organizations weigh in on any future requests for closed hearings or other limitations.
00:56:51.000The media presence at Utah hearings is already limited, with judges often designating one photographer and one videographer to document a hearing and share their images with other news organizations.
00:57:02.000Additional journalists can typically attend to listen and take notes, as can members of the public.
00:57:06.000Judd wrote in recent filings that an open court safeguards the integrity of the fact-finding process while fostering public confidence in judicial proceedings.
00:57:14.000All right, so just and of course, you know, I think all of us here want cameras, no question.
00:57:21.000You know, we don't want to, we don't want to impede on the proceedings, but we want the proceedings to be full.
00:57:26.000My analysis, just looking at reading this for the first time and hearing this for the first time, they've completely lost control of their client.
00:57:34.000They have no control over this guy, his actions, his statements whatsoever.
00:57:38.000There's no world where you'd want someone talking like that at a trial.
00:57:43.000I mean, I remember Derek Chauvin's trial, who I believe is innocent, certainly of murder, that he doesn't really speak, you know, and then Kyle Rittenhouse, same idea.
00:57:53.000He doesn't speak until he goes on the stand.
00:58:09.000You know, you guys might have a different opinion, but it sounds to me like he wants to talk to the media, right?
00:58:14.000He's saying it in the context of my mom's trying to get away from the media, so maybe I can go and talk to them and answer all their questions so they don't come back on my mom.
01:00:15.000Well, and when she left the meeting, when she left the courtroom, because Brian Etton, who works for a news nation, who's a fantastic, he's, you know, does a lot of these crime cases.
01:00:23.000He did Brian Koberger, similar situation.
01:00:26.000Brian Koberger, by the way, physiognomy identical, by the way, physiognomy check never fails.
01:00:32.000And that at one point they went to speak.
01:00:37.000So it was the lawyers and the judge were getting into these motions regarding the cameras.
01:00:42.000And so everybody had to leave the courtroom.
01:01:04.000Like, we're really supposed to believe that this guy who's sitting there laughing, smug, smiling, coking and joking, having a good time, is wrongfully accused.
01:01:13.000He's entered a plea of not guilty, correct?
01:01:44.000And I think the next hearing isn't for two months.
01:01:48.000So it's going to be February 3rd is, if I remember correctly, when they're going to actually, we're actually going to hear on this question of whether or not there'll be cameras.
01:01:57.000And again, so this is what we have to go off of.
01:02:01.000This lip reader, and he's very close to the camera, by the way.
01:02:04.000So this isn't like some pseudoscience where he's like, you know, all the way across the room and you're like zooming in and pixelating.
01:02:11.000He's right next to the camera, which, and the judge actually called that out and made them move the camera because it was so close.
01:02:16.000But yes, you could see what he's saying.
01:02:18.000And I actually was trying to kind of read his lips a little bit too.
01:02:21.000And so here's the professional lip reader saying all this.
01:02:35.000I mean, here's, here's, here's, I guess, the, the question, and, and, you know, yeah, I'm a little emotional about this, but it's like, how do you, how do you fit this with the idea that this guy is like totally like set up and he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger and all this?
01:02:55.000He would just like choose to believe that it's all Kfabe, and he's out there giggling on direct orders from his handlers because then people like us are like, wait, he's giggling like he got away with something.
01:03:05.000And then you can do this like mental gymnastics where you're like, yeah, but it's because he's supposed to do this.
01:03:09.000Because if I choose to believe this, it makes it all so much more entertaining.
01:03:12.000And it's just like completely selfish.
01:03:13.000I mean, you're discounting not only a guy's entire like body of work, but a body of work that he died doing further that he died doing specifically for you.
01:03:21.000And people who are claiming to be on the right and who believe in these things are willing to set all that aside because they personally find it more entertaining to think that something is afoot.
01:03:30.000There's some kind of op, which again, like they there, and this is, we were talking about this upstairs, actually, how dishonest that framing is.
01:03:36.000Again, with this, like, I have to perpetually believe I'm, you know, a revolutionary or whatever.
01:03:41.000You are convincing yourself that it is not the most popular thing in the world right now to celebrate this guy's assassination and to deny, more importantly, that it was a leftist who did it.
01:03:50.000You're not going to get censored for that.
01:03:51.000In fact, you'll be platformed on all the mainstream platforms.
01:03:53.000You can do epic collabs with other influencers to just spread this pollution out there.
01:03:58.000Because what the left would like more than anything, they're not going to tell you that you have to, you know, necessarily celebrate the assassination, but they will tell you that you can't say it was a leftist.
01:04:07.000You can say it was whoever you want, but do not allow for that ire to be directed at the leftist political project.
01:04:11.000Yeah, right immediately upon hearing that Tyler had family that were conservative, then the narrative online became, well, you know, his parents were this, so of course he wasn't on the left.
01:04:24.000Of course he didn't, he didn't believe these things.
01:05:05.000There were messages prior to Charlie's murder that were talking about Charlie being murdered on that day.
01:05:12.000So the preponderance of evidence is that he was a left-leaning guy and that he was dating a trans guy.
01:05:20.000And that this is based on politics, based on the fact that Charlie disapproved of his lifestyle.
01:05:28.000And so he felt the need to, you know, to violently react to that.
01:05:31.000And that's why I hate it because they think that they're being so edgy because they're rejecting the narrative of like the FBI or whatever.
01:05:38.000But you're not being edgy because you don't want the fight.
01:05:40.000You want to make it a conversation about, oh, he's a disturbed kid, which is to say, let's talk about mental health.
01:05:54.000Like, clearly, yes, but this is specifically political in context.
01:05:57.000And it's because he responds to social incentives that are created by the media, whether that's, you know, the mainstream media or, you know, your alt media streamers who spend decades or years just inciting this kind of violence specifically against normal conservative activists.
01:06:10.000So yeah, it is actually like a left versus right thing.
01:06:14.000You're not being more honest by like polluting that.
01:06:16.000And that's why I hate so much of the conspiracy theorizing.
01:06:19.000And I don't use that word, by the way, as a pejorative, the way the left says, oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist.
01:06:23.000I mean, like, literally, the whole idea with talking about conspiracy theories is that it's supposed to take the shackles off and we can all finally be more honest and we can understand the truth more accurately and we can maybe make some progress.
01:06:34.000But actually, all that's happened is it's completely like ruined people's ability to think about things accurately.
01:06:38.000And now everybody is more dishonest and they lie and they're more treacherous than ever.
01:06:42.000But they say that I'm just asking questions.
01:07:36.000But so they're left-wing, they're homosexual, and obviously involves trans.
01:07:43.000And beyond that, though, when you ask, start getting into just the basic evidence that we already know, people say, oh, well, he hated guns, right?
01:07:51.000See, this is where the magical thinking goes beyond just, well, what if this happened?
01:07:56.000It's not just asking questions because you're introducing facts that either aren't in evidence or facts that just aren't true.
01:08:02.000You say, well, I heard he hated guns, but there's pictures of him shooting guns his entire life.
01:08:08.000There's reporting from his coworkers that he used to say, I'm a great shot.
01:08:33.000What parent would turn their kids in and pick up that phone if they didn't think they had to?
01:08:40.000And everybody wants to say, oh, Fed slopped, Fed narrative.
01:08:44.000And it's like, but it wasn't the feds that caught him.
01:08:47.000In fact, the feds looked really bad because they announced a wrongful arrest and this guy was running around screaming that he was the real shooter, but he wasn't.
01:08:59.000And I remember all this because obviously I was very close to it at the time that Trump calls in Cash and Dan and says, you need to get out there and figure this out and like unscrew this situation.
01:09:10.000So they go out there and then they put out the pictures and then it's the parents who identify their son.
01:09:15.000Then they look at the gun and they say, wait a minute, isn't that grandpa's gun that we gave to Tyler?
01:09:21.000And I believe if you read the affidavit, the father calls or texts the son and says, can you send me a picture of grandpa's gun right now?
01:09:30.000Because he had already known that it had been, you know, it had been captured.
01:09:34.000So that was sort of like his check on it.
01:09:38.000And you would have to ignore all of that or assume somehow, to John's point, that all of these people are in on it, right?
01:09:46.000All like the parents, the mom, the brother.
01:09:50.000And for some reason, they don't, they never break character for, again, like because of these mysterious forces that seem to be surrounding them.
01:10:04.000Well, and also like his classmates have to be on it who gave statements to the press literally right after the shooting saying, yeah, his politics did not mesh with his family.
01:10:12.000They had to be like, and this is to John's point, is it's this like LARPing, it's like shadow boxing these powerful institutions that really are shells of what they used to be in many ways, where they're like attributing it to like the French government and the Israelis.
01:10:26.000It's literally shadow boxing because it's like the only thing that's clearly indicated if you really wanted to threaten power would be directly addressing the issue that trans people are increasingly violent.
01:10:37.000Because after the shooting, when everybody in the GOP was focused for like five days, everyone on the left was coming out like, no, we denounce all political violence, but like this is separate, this, that, and the other.
01:10:46.000Like they felt the heat coming down their necks.
01:10:48.000And then as soon as everybody comes unglued and starts spurging, starts blaming everybody else that was not involved whatsoever.
01:10:58.000And I don't know if it's on the show much, but Nick Fuentes had a great point about the gun.
01:11:04.000And he was saying, so, all right, let me just get this straight that if the FBI planted all of these things, but Charlie wasn't actually shot with a 30 out 6.
01:11:16.000Why would they leave a different gun in the woods than the actual caliber of the gun that shot him?
01:11:23.000If they're so super powerful or Mossad or whoever it was, if they're so super powerful, why did they get the caliber of the gun wrong?
01:11:31.000Because we knew about the caliber of the bullet in Charlie and we knew about then we got the rifle, the rifle that was found.
01:11:40.000So if you get what I'm saying, if they were lying about one, why wouldn't they also lie about the other?
01:11:46.000Why would they have public flight logs?
01:11:48.000Like, like, what is this, amateur hour from these like shadowy figures?
01:11:51.000Like, they're just like, yeah, we're going to, we're going to get a jet and escape, but make sure it's on flight radar.
01:11:55.000Make sure it's still on the, like, what are we doing here?
01:12:59.000And I don't care that people think that, you know, I'm sure that I'll catch flag from the left for saying that, but that's pure child abuse, right?
01:13:06.000Like there's no such thing as a trans child.
01:13:09.000Like you can have your opinions about transgender adults, but trans kids is a total fabrication.
01:13:17.000And it's because these children are confused and their parents are pushing this stuff on their kids.
01:14:08.000And to that, to that point, it's not pelvis, right?
01:14:11.000People on the left and people that are LGBTQ advocates, they will say that men and women are the same.
01:14:18.000And then you'll reply, well, you know, an archaeologist is going to look at your bones in a thousand years and they're going to know if you were a man or a woman.
01:15:08.000Because if the archaeologist, a thousand years from now, like sees your skeleton, he knows that you were a male, but he didn't know that you were like an insane male.
01:15:14.000But then if you had the surgery, he's like, as a male, it's worse, actually.
01:16:59.000And if, yeah, you want to bring that up by Kaulchi, it looks exceedingly likely right now.
01:17:05.000Again, I know it's early and things change and this will change as well.
01:17:10.000But Gavin Newsom is in the lead to be the Democrat nominee.
01:17:14.000And if he becomes president, all of the bad things that people hated about the Biden administration, all of the LGBT stuff that will be, that will return tenfold.
01:17:26.000The guy is saying that he wants to see trans children when there are no such thing as trans children.
01:17:49.000But these kind of cultural issues, going after kids, the idea that if you were, if you and your wife break up and your wife's like, no, my kid's trans and I'm going to run to California and have and have genital mutilation that's paid for by the state.
01:18:09.000So I actually know someone in real life who is getting divorced over politics.
01:18:16.000And, you know, he's, it was sort of like they were both, I'm trying to say this without, you know, revealing anything, but like sort of like they were both on the left before, but then he became more on the right.
01:18:27.000And then she just can't can't handle that.
01:18:34.000And that's the very first thing I said is you got to be careful with all this gender stuff because she will try to take your little boy and trans him to get back at you.
01:18:58.000Well, if I understand correctly, I think that actually women do more transitioning than boys than or girls transition more often than boys.
01:19:07.000No, no, no, but I'm saying when it's moms.
01:19:13.000But again, John, I was saying like this guy is the guy that's in the lead.
01:19:17.000And if the Democrats get back into power, for all the people that say the midterms don't matter, that say that, you know, elections don't change anything, et cetera.
01:19:25.000If this guy becomes the president, all of the bad things that you saw about, you know, about the LGBT stuff from the White House, like dudes pulling out fake boobs on the White House lawn, like that stuff will come back with a vengeance.
01:19:41.000You know, in my old age, I don't really, I know that I'm not going to on my deathbed wish that I'd spent more time conversing with the retarded.
01:19:49.000And so I've really tried to give myself permission to just like not engage with people who are fundamentally unserious.
01:19:54.000And if you didn't get it, that this is like a real thing, like up until the Kirk assassination and now you get it, like that's fine.
01:20:18.000This is your Gavin Newsom administration, right?
01:20:20.000Literally convincing through propaganda organs, be that social media, mainstream media influencers, convincing the minds of young, convincing young children that they are like not the gender that they actually are.
01:21:28.000And, you know, this, this is what you should be for.
01:21:31.000You know, see, he's got white children and therefore you should be for him.
01:21:36.000And like, do you actually think there are people that are pushing that who, you know, maybe not work directly for Newsom, but, you know, have that intention?
01:21:45.000I mean, that's like what we talked about, you know, earlier with how do you get young men to not support the Trump Vance political project.
01:22:13.000I think this is one of the problems with totalizing white identitarianism.
01:22:17.000Because if you're just a white identitarian and you look at JD Vance with his, you know, his mixed race kids and you look at Gavin Newsom, then the choice would be, well, Gavin Newsom is white.
01:22:41.000For people, if this is what you want, Gavin Newsom's entire career has been anti-white.
01:22:47.000Gavin Newsom's entire policy, his entire governance, whether it's in San Francisco where he was mayor, whether it's in statewide where he's governor, and now that he's kind of on the national stage, he's obviously anti-white.
01:23:04.000So when we're talking about someone for elected office, you want someone whose policies are going to be the ones that you support and that benefit you and benefit your agenda and your side.
01:23:17.000And it's proof that like these movements are just purely like aesthetic based and there's no actual serious strategy.
01:23:23.000There's no serious direction in moving, as you say, all the time moving the football down the field.
01:23:36.000And then beyond that, like the attacks on his wife don't even make any sense because it's like, again, a lot of these guys are like supposedly like trad casts.
01:23:42.000And it's like, what do you want him to do?
01:23:49.000And it's like to posto's point earlier, how it's actually worse than that in the sense that they're not only just like doing this mental gymnastics, they're denying reality because the argument is like, well, how do, and this is so simple.
01:23:59.000I wish that I were like ADIQ so I could be like, yo, this is tough.
01:24:02.000It's like literally the argument is, okay, well, how can we expect JD Vance to be against H-1Bs if his wife is Indian?
01:24:25.000And it's like, but what if one day he's not our guy?
01:24:27.000Because it's like, okay, you're just an idiot.
01:24:31.000Like you need to, you know, I've been doing this thing recently on Twitter.
01:24:34.000I've been DMing people links to DraftKings gift cards.
01:24:39.000I feel bad for them because they are fundamentally normies who are now running like a based OS on their normie hardware and it's confusing them.
01:24:48.000You have to treat these people like they're animals who like wandered off the reservation and now they're like in politics and everything is very confusing to them and there's all these ideas.
01:24:57.000They were never meant to have to understand these things.
01:24:59.000They would be better off if they were sports betting.
01:25:07.000That's why like Trump needs to make it a national imperative to like improve the quality of the NFL.
01:25:11.000Because as the NFL has gotten worse, these guys are now like acting like they're politicos and it's ruining everything.
01:25:15.000It's like, just improve the product, get rid of the kickoff rule so they can just go back to watching like the Cowboys.
01:25:20.000They're always just like the bread and circuses are meant to distract us.
01:25:23.000You are always going to be distracted and it would be better for you if it were the bread and circuses rather than like things that actually matter.
01:25:42.000That's all they're going to be able to do.
01:25:44.000And I think that there's a lot of people that those people that are born to make big rocks into little rocks, they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
01:25:52.000Phil, are you denying the tabula rasa right now?
01:26:17.000Gender was created by some dude that just wanted to diddle kids.
01:26:22.000You don't know what's funny about money.
01:26:23.000So I was I was out to dinner one time with a young lady about five or six years ago, and she was like one of these like leftists, you know, gender.
01:26:31.000And I literally asked her like, what do you mean?
01:26:33.000Because she was talking about like why she doesn't believe in gender and everybody can have their subjective non-binary experience.
01:26:47.000Because she was like, My experience as a woman is different from someone else's experience as a woman, therefore it doesn't even exist as a concept.
01:26:52.000And so, I immediately like repudiated that.
01:27:14.000The word itself is linked to the act which creates, you know, being like normal sex between like a man and a woman.
01:27:20.000And it is, it is not possible to separate that concept from the reality of biology being something that is binary between men and women.
01:27:28.000So, you can't say, Well, sex is biological, but gender is obviously different.
01:27:31.000Literally, no, dude, the word comes from that act itself, which is, of course, rooted in biology and God's plan.
01:27:37.000Yeah, so yeah, I just think that the more we can kind of push the idea that gender is a total fabrication, and obviously, you know, the left and the left agrees because they say gender is a social construct.
01:27:50.000And so, they agree that it's just something that's created.
01:27:53.000And if it was created by man, then man can just stop using it and just leave it behind in the dustbin of history.
01:27:59.000But, but even what you said before is even, I would say it goes a little bit beyond that because you're saying that people have a specific purpose in life as well.
01:28:08.000And so, it's like, like, you know, for example, like John Doyle's not going to be a basketball player.
01:28:14.000Like, well, listen, neither am I. I'm yeah, Phil, neither are you.
01:28:18.000Yeah, like, like, it just like it is what it is.
01:28:20.000There's still some eligibility left of any recruiters.
01:28:22.000And so, we, we can all, we can all laugh about that, but at the same time, that also lends itself to other areas and other fields as well.
01:28:32.000And so, for people to just deny that and say, you could be whatever you want.
01:28:37.000And we hear these little lies that are told all throughout our society.
01:29:09.000Go to the royal salt mines of Krakow and you will see that the Polish miners, what they would do down there is every single day when they would get off shift, they would chisel things into the walls of the mines and of the tunnels, and they would build elaborate cathedrals and they would build chapels and statues and mosaics.
01:29:30.000And there's a giant one bigger than this room of the Last Supper that one miner did every single day when he got off shift and he never finished it.
01:29:40.000And then after he died, it was completed by his son.
01:29:44.000So yeah, you know, like sit there and tell me that like that's not a good purpose.
01:30:01.000It's like the one thing that's frustrating with the gender debate as we're, you know, we're pontificating on is actually my gripe's kind of with the right because it feels like the GOP, because they know that it's like, you know, at best a 60-40, probably even 70-30 issue.
01:30:14.000Like the only people really pushing this is like the Democrat core base.
01:30:18.000Is that we've expended a lot of political capital on this fight, on this sort of debacle.
01:30:24.000But the thing is, the gender thing is actually downstream from the actual issue, which is fundamentally like the blank slate and that sort of thing.
01:30:31.000And the GOP, a lot of these guys aren't ready to touch that yet, but they know that the gender thing is where they can score a lot of points in XP farm.
01:31:07.000And we have to stop pretending that these made-up concepts that don't comport with what we actually see as reality can be true because that's what leads you to the place where you're getting bone pelvis surgery.
01:32:12.000I mean, I do kind of want to drop back into is like, and that's why you have to root this out at the top.
01:32:18.000Because like, like I was saying earlier, where at this point is almost like a safe edgy issue for the GOP to some regard, because I remember when the arena Zarutska situation happened, it was like a day after the video came out and everyone was outraged.
01:32:31.000And then I can't remember, I got to find it.
01:32:32.000I can't remember which Republican congressman it was.
01:32:35.000He just tweeted out, like, by the way, there's only two genders.
01:32:52.000It's like, hello, this is, there's something above here.
01:32:54.000There's something like controlling this specific apparatus.
01:32:57.000Frankly, you know, if we want to be a little cynical, they don't even really have a good answer to the way the left is presenting the argument because like the way the left like sort of confronts the issue is to say like, you know, what is gender?
01:33:08.000What is like the essence of male and female experience behavior?
01:33:12.000And the right's answer to that is just like, what are you talking about?
01:33:16.000And it's like, okay, yes, like you are correct.
01:33:18.000But if they're having a higher level conversation about like social constructs, what is womanhood?
01:33:24.000That is frankly a question that many on the right are afraid to confront because they don't want to get into trouble with their wives and make the claim that women have a way that they tend to behave and maybe should even ought to behave because they're afraid to get, you know, crap from a lot of the feminists that we have on our on our side, a lot of girl bosses and a lot of wives who are married to guys who are basically like Ned Flanders.
01:33:43.000And so they'll, they'll take it there and say, like, of course there are two genders, you know, whatever.
01:33:46.000And it's like, okay, what does that mean?
01:33:54.000We have sort of known that for a while, actually.
01:33:56.000I don't think that my behavior is much different from my grandfather's behavior.
01:34:00.000However, my sister's behavior, and she's a good girl, but she is behaving much differently from the way that like, you know, our grandmother behaved because women, because of feminism, we've seen that experiment in the last hundred or so years of what it looks like when women all of a sudden have, you know, no expectations of their behavior because any expectations of their behavior would be patriarchy, civilization, whatever you want to call it.
01:34:19.000Whereas men, we've learned a little bit about what men will sort of, how they will respond to being like completely domesticated, you know, having the state really just like impose itself upon them and feminize them and do stuff like that.
01:34:29.000So, anything we've learned in the last 60 or 70 years about like human behavior between the sexes, it's been far more illuminating about like what women will do when they don't have traditional society sort of imposed upon them the way that you know this country was built on.
01:34:42.000Yeah, well, I mean, that's the possibility point.
01:34:44.000It's like a lot of this is like the essence.
01:34:47.000Like, there was that video of like a trans it was like a male to female or whatever, and or no, it's a female to male, and he had like this beard that he grew with all these chemicals and everything.
01:34:56.000Or she was girl, because it's so confusing with all the chemicals and everything.
01:35:00.000I know it's tough, and but she was having like a mental breakdown about like whatever.
01:35:05.000And I was like, it's still a woman, like it's still obviously a woman because it's like John's saying, Is this goes beyond just like, oh, read a biology textbook?
01:35:12.000It's like, no, how should women, how ought women conduct themselves and to be in the fullness of a woman?
01:35:18.000There was like they naturally gravitate towards that in some way.
01:35:22.000There was a line where it's a little bit morbid, but do you remember Aubrey Hale, who was the Nashville Christian shooter?
01:35:30.000Well, she went and she, because biological female, a lot of people get that one wrong.
01:36:59.000Question for the panel: How can we as Americans celebrate Christmas with so many people on the left and specifically Muslims calling for its abolition?
01:37:22.000Christ was born on this day on December 25th, 2025 years ago, and there's nothing you can do about it because God so loved the world, He sent His only son so that people who believe in Him may have eternal life.
01:37:59.000I'll just like, there's always going to be negativity, right?
01:38:01.000There's going to be, there's always going to be negative things in the world.
01:38:05.000And, you know, even when I think about like Charlie and Erica and the family and how horrific, you know, this is and everything they're going through, you know, I still know that she's going to do everything she can to have a great Christmas with the kids because, and certainly, right, that she hasn't lost her faith or anything.
01:38:29.000It's actually faith that helps us through the suffering.
01:38:32.000It's faith that helps us through as a crutch, as a cradle for you.
01:38:37.000If you don't, like, I feel bad for people that don't have faith, you know what I mean?
01:39:07.000And if you don't just give yourself up to God and realize that like he's the boss and you're just like nothing, you know, but he still loves you anyway.
01:39:14.000And that's the, you know, the great, the greatest joy of it.
01:39:17.000Mr. Somber Joe says, what does the panel think about the Maryland man being free due to our great justice system?
01:39:26.000He's he's making a joke, but the Maryland man is Breo Garcia from what's the actual update?
01:40:39.000But ultimately, the correct way to view the world is that there are liberal Marxists who actually believe everything Antifa says, and they are in control of almost every single institution.
01:40:50.000We don't have to invent new conspiracies.
01:41:10.000I mean, look, I've been to CIA's offices, been to the new building, I've been to the old building, I've been to Langley, I've been to like every three-letter agency in the government, right?
01:41:19.000There's no magical powers that they have.
01:41:22.000Like these are mostly just office buildings.
01:41:24.000There's no, no, do they do shady stuff?
01:41:26.000Are they involved in operations covert?
01:41:29.000But the idea that there's some like magical shadow world that like all that stuff you see on TV, the, you know, Jack Ryan, oh, it's all, you know, the black cops going on and, and all those like, like, it, I'm not for book banning, but if I was, it would be like Tom Clancy and Jack Carr.
01:41:55.000It's just like, it's like these guys read, it's like, right, so they do the Prince Harry book for the women and then they do Jack Carr for men and to make you a moid, to make you a moid.
01:42:05.000And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta, we gotta invade Venezuela.
01:42:10.000Yeah, we gotta invade Lebanon and Iran.
01:42:13.000Yeah, it's like, it's like, meanwhile, what's actually going on is that a breago Garcia, who's a human trafficker, was just released.
01:42:20.000There's like black people just stabbing white people in high schools or on subways every single day.
01:42:27.000And all of this is going on, like probably not far from your house.
01:42:31.000And if you actually just looked into what's really going really happening in your area, you would be shocked.
01:42:36.000But the only TV, and this is why I talk about mass media so much, Strange Things, et cetera, because this is where we get our view of the world from our worldview.
01:42:43.000So if you're sitting there just consuming this airport brain rot, you're thinking, oh my gosh, we've got to worry about all these things.
01:42:50.000You're not actually paying attention to the very real things that can and will get you and your family killed if you don't pay attention to it.
01:42:59.000And to your point, one of the things that the government continually shoves down people's throat or prior to the Trump administration was the idea that the most dangerous people in America and the most, the biggest threat to America was young white men.
01:43:14.000And that's something that you, we just, we just had a piece on it last night.
01:43:18.000I forget what the, what her name was, but she was a state senator talking about how she wants white kids to think about how bad it is to be white.
01:43:26.000And it's like, this is something that the government has been, you know, shoving down your throat.
01:43:34.000There was a piece where I think it was on the tonight show or whatever, making jokes about how bad it is to be, how bad white men are.
01:43:42.000And this is totally, if it was any other race, obviously, and this has been said a million times, but if it was any other race, obviously everyone would be up in arms.
01:43:50.000You've got a whole generation of young kids that have grown up hearing this stuff and they're rejecting it out of hand.
01:43:58.000And personally, I think it's good that they're rejecting it.
01:44:00.000Now, what narrative they decide to internalize, I think is it, that does matter.
01:44:06.000But you can't expect young guys to sit there and say, yeah, I'm the problem.
01:44:14.000It's also, by the way, on the spy agencies thing, like, how many times does James O'Keefe have to just put on a pair of glasses and he fools all of these homosexuals that are running our spy agencies?
01:45:01.000But like, it's real because they'll sit there and they don't even realize it's James O'Keefe with a pair of glasses and doing a little bit of a voice, you know.
01:45:12.000And he kind of does that like up talk, lifty kind of thing.
01:45:36.000Wait, it's so funny you mentioned that about Batman because there's that there in the 1960s Batman movie where he's where Catwoman just like takes on a Russian accent.
01:45:45.000And it's obviously obviously her, but he's like, oh, Miss Kitka.
01:45:50.000Which Batman was it where the Joker goes into Too Faces Hospital Room without the mask on?
01:45:53.000He doesn't recognize him and he has the makeup on.
01:46:28.000It's just literally a Pentagon-shaped wage cage.
01:46:31.000Brother, I'm here to tell you that's every single intelligence agency like that.
01:46:35.000That's the thing that's annoying, too, is the people who are like the biggest, like, dude, it's the CIA.
01:46:38.000The stuff they believe about the CIA is like that it put like crack into black neighborhoods or that we were toppling communist governments throughout the latter half of the 20th century, just like Reddit mind slopped that's even real.
01:46:50.000That's the consoling idea for communists, right?
01:46:54.000They say, well, you know, communism would have worked if it wasn't for the damn CIA.
01:47:03.000You'll see this on Instagram when it's like a black guy like huffing galaxy gas or like little black kids like singing a really explicit rap song.
01:47:10.000And then the comments will be like, CIA doing backflips right now.
01:47:54.000I think most of the guys around the table here agree that, and I don't want to speak for anyone, but I get the sense that everybody kind of agrees that abortion is murder.
01:48:02.000And so, as much as the DE abortions are graphic and conceptually horrific, you know, abortion's abortion.
01:48:13.000It's killing an unborn human being, regardless of whether the baby is full-term or not.
01:48:21.000For a lot of people who, you know, maybe don't have the religious backing on this or, you know, just don't have various belief structures on abortion and will say, well, I don't really care, whatever.
01:48:42.000It was literally the Soviet Union was the first country.
01:48:45.000And Tucker was talking recently about how it was the UK's embrace of abortion that made them just sort of hate themselves as a people.
01:48:54.000Because what you're doing is that you're devaluing your own life.
01:48:58.000It's you're devaluing the life of your own people and devaluing the life of Americans in our sense, devaluing the life of fellow Russians in the Soviet Union sense.
01:49:06.000And this is something where, you know, I actually, so I was over and the Polish election was held earlier this year, and this became a huge issue because abortion is still a criminal act in Poland.
01:49:16.000It's like the only country in Europe where this is true.
01:49:19.000And gay marriage, still not respected in Poland.
01:49:23.000And no migrants, by the way, Poland-based.
01:49:28.000And so it made me think about it that, you know, this all stems from a place.
01:49:33.000Now, yes, Poland is also religious, but it also stems from a place where they've faced serious repression and serious, like actual oppression from invading forces and actual communism.
01:49:44.000And so their response has been this: we need to protect our people.
01:49:50.000And these are the steps we're going to do to put that in action.
01:49:53.000And one of those, of course, is increasing the birth rate, doing a lot of social policies in order to increase the birth rate.
01:50:01.000But I never really thought of abortion just outside of moral terms in the sense of what does it do to a country when, and this is the obvious person, you know, thinking where, well, you know, I don't have to have that kid if I don't want to.
01:51:04.000And so it's the Spanish completely exterminated three different civilizations off the face of the planet for far less than what's being conducted in the West at scale, at volume right now.
01:51:25.000He says, with all this Charlie thing and how the left reacted to it, do you believe that could give the Somalians and Afghans the thought that violence is okay to stop the deportations?
01:52:02.000You know, and I think that it's, it's, it goes without saying that violence is something that those cultures are far more comfortable with than your average American.
01:53:09.000SF Campbell says, POTUS National Security Strategy, allegedly leaked, proposes a core five alliance between the U.S., Russia, China, India, and Japan, identified as civilizational populist cultures.
01:53:21.000This is to choke out the European Union and downgrade global influence of the far leftist European countries.
01:53:28.000It's not my business what the EU does.
01:53:32.000And I don't think that it's good for the United States to believe that that we can align with China or Russia.
01:53:38.000But I do think that it is good to focus on the Western Hemisphere, really put some effort into the Monroe Doctrine and to do our best to root out Russian and Chinese influence in South America.
01:54:01.000But I think the idea would be more, hey, what if we stop provoking these countries?
01:54:07.000What if instead of having a policy of we want to provoke Russia into war and we want to provoke China into war?
01:54:13.000What if we'd rather say, okay, we're simply separate countries with separate interests, but perhaps, perhaps we have areas where our interests might align with, like, for example, space exploration, which is something that the United States and Russia do on a regular basis and have continued to do so, by the way, or Arctic exploration, which, again, energy, there's so many things that, and we're able to do so because at the end of the day, right?
01:54:37.000This is something neocons will never tell you, but you're not just going to like eliminate these countries from the face of the planet.
01:55:10.000Mrs. Kateriffic says, and this is a long one, but it's good.
01:55:13.000How are we supposed to not feel demoralized by everything right now when critical thinking shows us Trump has decided to mesh with the swamp?
01:55:20.000I have three family members who were hardcore Trump voters the last three elections and they've been disillusioned.
01:55:25.000Not because of Candace, but because Trump himself has fumbled a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
01:55:30.000To normal people, we see him going after Thomas Massey while sucking up to Lindsey Graham.
01:55:34.000He went after MTG, but he's silent on rhinos.
01:55:38.000When has he ever gone after rhinos like this?
01:55:41.000This administration is gaslighting us just like the last one was and people are sick of it.
01:55:46.000And despite influencers saying it doesn't matter, the handling of Epstein does matter because when you see that behavior along with no Doge, no Elon Musk, no spending cuts, it feels like we've been fooled.
01:56:08.000A lot of the things that people hope for Trump to do, the president himself doesn't have the ability to do or maintain because it's done through executive orders.
01:56:17.000Nobody likes to look at how the sausage is made in D.C.
01:56:23.000But in my opinion, Donald Trump has done the best that he can with most of the issues.
01:56:30.000I do agree that the Epstein stuff has been a has been a fumble and it was bad overall.
01:56:36.000But I do think that if you look at the grand scheme of things, Donald Trump has done far better than any president in the past 15, 20 years.
01:56:44.000And I know that John Doyle has some thoughts on this.
01:56:46.000I respect your opinion so much, and I'm so glad you have it.
01:56:50.000And, you know, I understand what you're saying, but like at a certain point, I saw this yesterday or something.
01:56:54.000Like the first term for president, whether it's like Trump, you know, in 17, Obama, Bush, the amount of bills they pass in their first term was like in the excess.
01:57:12.000And, you know, going after like MTG rather than someone like Lindsey Graham, I'm not the biggest Lindsey Graham fan.
01:57:17.000You're not going to see me like, you know, casting this guy as like the ideal Republican or something.
01:57:21.000But because he's been around longer in the swamp, he knows how the game is played.
01:57:26.000And Trump is somebody who likes it when people are loyal to him and likes it when they don't cause problems for him, which is, I guess, a really weird temperamental characteristic of his.
01:57:34.000And someone like MTG has gone out of her way to like cause problems for Trump and for his administration, even like Thomas Massey.
01:57:41.000Like I have to hear all the time about how Thomas Massey is this based America first patriot.
01:57:46.000This is a guy who co-sponsored bills to increase the amount of immigrants who are coming in here on visas.
01:57:51.000This is a guy who voted against Trump's wall and he says it's because he's a fiscal conservative.
01:57:54.000So it's like on paper, this guy has allied himself when it mattered most with Democrats.
01:58:00.000It can be for whatever little principle he wants it to be, but do you think Democrats care about that?
01:58:04.000It's like, hey, do we want this guy to impede Trump's agenda?
01:58:06.000Well, is he doing it because he agrees with us or because he's got his own little reason?
01:58:08.000Like, do you think they actually care about that?
01:58:10.000Or even the BBB actually providing spending to enact the or the funding to enact the agenda that is going to outline Trump's second administration.
01:58:31.000We are going to have to solve that at a later time, unfortunately, because we basically need to just like take money and use it to fund our agenda to prevent communists from being in power again.
01:58:40.000If we fail at that, debt, I mean, you're going to get all of that anyway.
01:58:51.000Am I frustrated that Trump is like fighting off young staffers every day who are rushing in trying to push the fix everything button and he's like gatekeeping it?
01:58:57.000Like, yeah, I wish he wouldn't do that.
01:59:09.000We're cold starting something that has never been meant to function as a representation of the will of the American people.
01:59:15.000And actually, when it is functioning, it's working directly against those interests.
01:59:18.000So frankly, 11, 12 months in, this is beyond.
01:59:21.000I'm probably, well, no, I mean, Jackson, I am one of the biggest Trump shills working today.
01:59:26.000And even I am frankly like far more optimistic about what we've seen just in year one than I would have realistically expected like prior to that, you know?
01:59:36.000So I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, you know, we have to understand.
01:59:40.000You saw that clip that was going around the other day.
01:59:42.000It was a hot mic where Trump is like, I can't get my confirmation.
01:59:46.000You have to understand there are all of these swamp creatures who are like, I'm just going to bide my time, dude, because I saw what they did to you.
01:59:55.000I saw what they did to your allies, indicting them, your supporters, putting them in prison.
01:59:59.000I rather like my, you know, four-star hotels, my black car service, my millions of dollars a year for book deals, speeches where I get to go around and say, we need to do the right thing.
02:00:09.000And all these beautiful-hearted people, right, are saying, so true, so true.
02:00:13.000Okay, well, they're saying the right thing and there's doing the right thing.
02:00:16.000And the only reason that anything good has been done in the last 10 years is because of Donald Trump.
02:00:20.000Unfortunately, that just happens to be the case for better or worse.
02:00:22.000That could be why they, I don't know, mugshotted him.
02:00:25.000That could be why they tried to assassinate him.
02:00:28.000And so it's very easy to tell ourselves that now that he's back and he's trying to right this ship, that he finally betrayed us.
02:00:34.000It's like, dude, he could have betrayed us at any point.
02:00:36.000You think there weren't deals for this guy where it's like, hey, just drop out and we'll like let your cultural status remain.
02:00:50.000So insofar as we have like 10 years of his behavior in that direction, the idea that what we're seeing now being like underdeveloped fruits would be because of some betrayal or that he's meshing with the swamp, like you say, at a certain point, you have to decide, has this guy earned your loyalty?
02:01:08.000Like at a certain point, I made a personal decision to like pledge loyalty to this guy, someone who I think actually does have my best interest at heart.
02:01:14.000Not because he's a politician, but because he like took a bullet for me, because the guy who died for our country believed that about Trump and believed that about Vance, Charlie Kirk.
02:01:24.000So at a certain point, like you just have to make that decision whether or not you want to throw your weight behind this guy or you just want to be like, you know, no, he's a part of it.
02:01:48.000It's like, if you, but if you told me on January 20th, we'd be at net negative migration by the end of the year, I'd be like, I mean, that'd be nice.
02:02:30.000They want to see, they assume that President Trump is the emperor, the God Emperor of Donald Trump.
02:02:36.000And whereas there are some people that would love to see that, that's just not realistic when you think about the way that DC works and how our system is set up.
02:02:44.000I would just add to all of this that specifically when you mentioned Massey, that Trump is a counterpuncher.
02:02:50.000So if you come at him, he's going to come back.
02:02:53.000That's the one thing that we've known about him since even before he was in politics.
02:02:57.000And Thomas Massey has been going around saying that Trump is a pedophile who's part of Epstein's pedophile ring and just doing this over and over and over.
02:03:07.000So I remember that this happened with Ron DeSantis when people, when he first started running and people were like, why is Trump attacking Asantis?
02:03:20.000So to run against the man who put you in office, to run against the man who built your political career, took you from a congressional backbencher and made you governor of Florida is, again, it's just a huge betrayal.
02:03:33.000It's a matter of like we were talking about heel turns earlier, right?
02:03:37.000So why would you not expect him to respond once you've done something like this?
02:03:42.000But I noticed something that's interesting from a lot of people who say this is they never once look at the behavior of the like the initial person, right?
02:03:56.000But if you just put it in context, then okay, like maybe you realize he's responding to something that possibly didn't have to happen, but did.
02:04:25.000You know, and that's why even now, when people criticize him now, it's like, dude, this administration is 20 times better than it was back in the first term.
02:04:34.000The first term, we couldn't get anything done except for corporate taxes.
02:04:37.000Now, we're giving DHS a freaking military budget to get out there and deport people and try to achieve that MAGA agenda.
02:04:45.000So, you know, when people try to anchor bite and say, oh, he's nothing.
02:06:13.000Yeah, I would even say it was ours by right of conquest in World War II because which country deployed their military there to defend Greenland.
02:07:31.000And he talks about, by the way, how he, you know, he went from this guy who would never sleep and pull all-nighters.
02:07:38.000And, you know, I'm just going to say, man, there's some images that you could see of Charlie when he was a little bit getting a little unhealthy there, where he was, you know, the seed oils were winning.
02:07:51.000And this book kind of talks about how he regained control of that by reformatting his thinking to understanding that if you take that rest isn't a sign of weakness.
02:08:04.000It's actually understanding how your body works, how your soul works, how your life works, and it's investing in yourself so that you can do more.
02:08:12.000So the book is called Stop in the Name of God.