Nick Fuentes survived a man who broke into his home and shot him in the head with a crossbow, but not before he had killed at least 3 other people. The question now is, is this the Mangione Effect?
00:00:37.000While the story is very big, we actually were struggling with This being the big political story, do we want to lead with this or something substantially more shocking and I think worrisome?
00:00:47.000And that is a man went to the home of Nick Fuentes and it is apparent that he had the intention to kill him.
00:00:54.000And I guess only by sheer luck, Nick survived.
00:00:58.000The individual had already killed three people, it is believed, and broke into a neighboring home and killed two dogs before being apprehended by the police.
00:01:06.000My understanding is the man lost his life in this conflict.
00:01:08.000But there is a video from Nick Fuentes' ring doorbell camera, as well as the body camera footage being released from when this woman went to Nick's house.
00:01:16.000We had this conversation last night in the members only.
00:01:20.000Based on watching the body camera footage, it appears that Fuentes is 100% in the right in defending himself when this went down.
00:01:27.000Not that we like any of it, nor do we want any of this to happen.
00:01:30.000But especially now seeing this footage of a man walking up with a crossbow and what appears to be a bolt gun.
00:01:36.000Yelling, yo, Nick, after having already killed several people.
00:01:41.000And the question now is, is this the Mangione effect?
00:01:44.000Now, I want to stress, Luigi Mangione is only accused.
00:01:46.000He's not been proven to have done anything.
00:01:48.000But with the open public support for assassination of perceived enemies, to see this attempt on Nick Fontes' life is actually rather terrifying.
00:01:59.000We are hoping and praying this stuff doesn't escalate.
00:02:11.000He's allowed to be a nasty guy if that's what he wants to do.
00:02:14.000And he has a right to live in peace without this kind of nonsense happening.
00:02:17.000I'm going to say that we've got to talk about this and, of course, the continued resolutions failure.
00:02:22.000We also need to talk about the FAA shutting down airspace for drones in New Jersey, threatening deadly force if they perceive an imminent threat.
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00:06:52.000They say far-right influencer claims Holm was among those targeted by homicide suspect.
00:06:58.000It's actually very nuts that this is how they're framing it.
00:07:02.000They say far-right influencer Nick Fuentes said he believes his Berwyn home was among those targeted by a man suspected in a triple homicide who was fatally shot by police late Wednesday night following a home invasion on Fuentes' block.
00:07:16.000So a guy who killed several people went to Nick's home with a weapon, calling out his name, then fled when the police arrived, broke into a house, killed two dogs and was killed by police.
00:08:04.000Look, I'm just going to say what everybody's thinking.
00:08:06.000There's a lot of people who don't like Nick Fuentes, okay?
00:08:08.000And I don't want to get into this purity test of who Nick Fuentes is and what his opinions are, because right now the issue is an individual who has opinions on the internet and trolls...
00:08:30.000It could be someone on the left and we would be acting the same way like we would be right now, as of course it is awful and horrible what happened right now.
00:08:37.000And sadly, you know, the left did lose politically.
00:08:40.000And I've been warning about this, especially since Donald Trump won the presidential election.
00:08:45.000The left overwhelmingly doesn't have a lot of political solutions.
00:08:47.000They do overwhelmingly have a major mental health problem that predominantly a lot of people who believe in their larger ideology do suffer from.
00:08:56.000So this is something that I think has been in the works.
00:09:00.000I think there's a reason he's being carried out like he's Bain.
00:09:03.000I think there's a reason there's a lot of epithets and there's so much lore around this particular story, as I believe there's a larger psyop happening here in order to gaslight frame and to build up this larger notion that if you can't solve your problems politically, you could just do it physically.
00:09:17.000And that right there is somewhere where we have to put the stop on it immediately.
00:09:26.000And this is something that could desperately escalate the situation towards grand, dangerous proportions that we don't want to be living in.
00:09:32.000Yeah, I was confused by some of the stuff you said connecting to, like, left-wing ideology, but I agree that regardless of who it is, regardless of how reprehensible I find Nick Quintez, the solution is not violence.
00:09:43.000This is something I've articulated a lot in the wake of the assassination attempts against Trump to my audience, which is that if our principles, if our pro-democratic principles Liberal principles include nonviolent solutions to these things, then obviously people trying to take violent solutions to disagreements is exactly against our principles.
00:10:07.000So, for instance, at like all direct actions, they have something called the diversity of tactics, which is a direct reference to individuals left aligned, covering their faces and engaging in violence.
00:10:23.000It's not like Bible-thumping conservatives going around calling for death and murder.
00:10:26.000There are people selling products who are outright of progressive or left ideology advocating and celebrating and outright saying they want to engage in kernel relations with Luigi Mangione.
00:10:37.000So, and that's something I've been speaking out against among—it's hard to say my own side because I think we talked about this last time I was on, but—or the episode's going to come out tomorrow— I agree.
00:10:53.000across the two sides you portray as the entire side, right?
00:10:56.000But I agree, people celebrating Mangione when obviously what he tried to do is not the solution to the very problem separate from just the individual immorality in trying to murder somebody.
00:11:06.000Even the people saying that's okay because of healthcare problems seem to misunderstand how we would even solve those more systemic issues.
00:11:12.000But I did make the point a bunch of times last time, again on the episode that's coming out tomorrow.
00:11:17.000Sometimes we'll say in a general sense that regardless of political views, we all think violence would be wrong to solve those political views.
00:11:27.000But then it becomes a political point you're making, like, oh, liberals, Democrats, that cohort of people, regardless of where they stand on this issue, they're a part of this ideological problem.
00:11:36.000And last time I was on, we went over this, which is that political violence actually is far more common among right-wing ideologies.
00:11:44.000I would take issue with saying Democrats, because I don't feel like your run-of-the-mill Democrats are the type of person that would be the type of people that Tim's referencing.
00:11:58.000Yeah, but you kind of make it like it's a left thing.
00:12:23.000But I'm saying that when this is actually more thoroughly analyzed systemically, right-wing ideologies are more responsible for political violence, which doesn't make the instances of left-wing political violence more promoting that.
00:12:33.000Was that done by the FBI? No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:12:52.000No, like whenever they study acts of violence that had a political motivation— It's more commonly, by a pretty large margin, people who associate it with right-wing ideology.
00:13:15.000Well, right can refer to anarcho-capitalists, certainly don't agree with white supremacists, but in the media and these studies you're referring to, they claim they're the same group.
00:13:24.000Like if you have an anti-government from a right-wing perspective or super racist from a right-wing perspective, we're not going to say that's – now we can categorize all of the right as that.
00:13:33.000You'll do the same thing with the left, which is to say that a communist who wants to see a CEO killed – Is the same as someone who's just on the left.
00:14:52.000And the liberal groups— When they're organizing—shout out to your friend Lisa Fifty and ask her about this—they tell the liberals, respect the diversity of tactics.
00:15:03.000Now, that is something that you don't see associated with right-wing groups because— You have, like, right-wing militias exploit right-wing protests for horrible— When?
00:15:12.000If you don't have them, then I don't think you have an argument.
00:15:14.000Or like an example, would you say that, and I know someone over there is going to get triggered, but because it's such a prominent one that is on the top of my head, you had people who were peacefully protesting on January 6th, and then those who went violent.
00:15:28.000And I want to say that every single person who's MAGA now are representative...
00:16:03.000You're going to make anecdotal arguments about things you've covered, a protest, and that's why I think last time too- My guy Taylor Lorenz is not a progressive.
00:16:13.000She's a run-of-the-mill progressive personality who said, we all want more of that on TV. Oh, she was wrong, and I spoke out against her.
00:17:23.000And I would have, based on if we went through the individual prosecution, probably disagreements with some of those prosecutorial decisions, but I will say again, you'll go through, and this is really, to people's feelings, compelling to a lot of folks, and cite particular examples to portray a narrative about the entire other side being violent, right?
00:17:39.000But then we actually research it, and it's not true.
00:17:43.000Right-wing political violence, it's just, it is.
00:17:46.000You can't even name any, you can't name an ideology and name an instance.
00:17:49.000If someone would, you could just pull up a study.
00:17:50.000You're going to pull up the SPLC, you're going to pull up the FBI, you're going to pull up extremely biased studies that were done by biased organizations that don't give a name about the study.
00:17:58.000Hold on, hold on, the point is this, the point is this.
00:18:00.000You cannot make an argument with no data.
00:18:02.000No, the reason, tell me, I'm not the one who has access to the data.
00:18:11.000I think in the last – are we still logged in the last document I had?
00:18:16.000One of you will talk while I pull this up.
00:18:17.000Should we pull up like the ADL's hate tracker map or what do they have?
00:18:22.000That's a credible organization that doesn't lie for political purposes at all, right?
00:18:26.000As well as the SPLC, as well as the FBI, that again, fudges data in order to come to a particular political conclusion for political reasons.
00:18:34.000You can't believe a lot of these top institutions since they lie through their teeth.
00:19:20.000There's been a strong presumption among many that while the left-wing and right-wing ideologies vary a great deal in content, they resemble each other in terms of their willingness to use violence to further their political agenda.
00:19:26.000However, our analysis shows the right-wing actors are significantly more violent than left-wing actors, said Lafre, a professor in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice and the founding director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism.
00:19:41.000So let's start with what do they define as right-wing?
00:20:00.000My argument is based on, let's start with what an ideology is.
00:20:04.000No, but see, you keep going back to provocative examples of individual acts of violence.
00:20:08.000The reason, when you start listing off instances, I know because I've been in these debates before, how people react when I give you particular examples.
00:20:20.000I would rather just make it about the data.
00:20:21.000Let's analyze level-headedly and let's also acknowledge...
00:20:25.000This disagreement doesn't take away from opposing individual acts of violence.
00:20:28.000So what left-aligned groups do is say that everything outside of us is right-wing, and then they're— You're just asserting that without any data at all, or any— I just asked you how you define right-wing, and you couldn't do it.
00:20:38.000I want to make sure that we're accurate to the studies that I'm referring to.
00:20:41.000You have a report on it that I'm sure helps to specify that.
00:20:45.000And if you would find some effort that we're misdefining types of violence, then I'd love to explore that.
00:20:52.000I think there might be a little bit of missing the forest for the trees here, although I would say in the study earlier it said Islamist protests might be responsible for more violence than left or right protests.
00:21:11.000I think we're coming on a culture of people and extremists that who would be okay with political violence and we're seeing this kind of culture of assassinations come up, I think, more and more in our culture.
00:21:21.000But just really quick, can you name any other political violence on the right other than J6? He just listed off a bunch of examples.
00:21:29.000I listed a couple of groups, the three...
00:22:17.000So then why call anti-government right-wing choice?
00:22:19.000Well, like if there's an anti-government leftist who attacks a right-winger for a political reason, that would be categorized under left-wing violence.
00:22:26.000So right-wing, what defines someone who is then anti-government solely?
00:22:31.000Why would that be labeled as right-wing?
00:22:33.000And how do you determine whether it is?
00:22:35.000There are right-wing anti-government ideologies.
00:23:41.000The way that was organized was that the moderate good Democrats that you're referring to intentionally organized what they call green zone, yellow zone, red zone.
00:23:49.000The red zone actors were people who are intending on using extreme extreme violence, including lethal force, and they needed the green zone individuals to provide the mass bodies to hide from police.
00:24:10.000I don't get caught up in individual provocative anecdotes.
00:24:13.000I would just like to look at a level-headed, zoomed-out, data-based argument.
00:24:17.000Okay, so the problem we have here is that when you pull up the sources you claim, there are no conservative sources countering left-wing sources.
00:24:26.000I mean, okay, then that's an interesting argument.
00:24:28.000So if you can't define what right-wing is...
00:24:49.000But what I do know is that your argument of literally saying any data that I disagree with is too liberal is like, alright, I heard that about crime increasing, I heard that about everything.
00:25:14.000How can we quantify an ideology if there are six versions of right-wing?
00:25:19.000Which one is actually the right wing and how come left is one parent organization?
00:25:23.000I would actually argue the ADL sides with me in saying left wing encompasses all of it.
00:25:27.000That means if you're a Democrat, a progressive, a communist, a tanky, an anarchist, any action you take is left wing and it's all the same ideology.
00:25:36.000Well, maybe that in its categorization is an easier way.
00:25:39.000If you're a part of any of those left-wing ideologies, it's less differentiated on a political spectrum whenever they're studying it.
00:25:47.000Maybe there's more unique organizations that specify differently.
00:25:50.000So you as a left-wing individual are part of the same ideology as the people who want to murder CEOs?
00:25:55.000As much as someone who's right-wing anti-government because they're a libertarian is a part of an anti-government libertarian who attacks a cop or something.
00:26:05.000Well, looking at my point, I'm saying that even within the subcategorizations, I'm not going to say any right-winger who's anti-government is violent.
00:26:17.000Right-wing ideology encompasses a broad range of political beliefs and values that prioritize tradition, hierarchy, individualism, and a limited role of government in certain spheres of life.
00:26:26.000The term right-wing originates from the seating arrangements in the French Revolution's Legislative Assembly, where conservatives sat on the right side.
00:27:46.000So if we distinguish, say, anarcho-libertarian, anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, we can talk about tankies, we can talk about social liberals, we can talk about traditional liberals, and we can talk about the political strategies used by each of these groups, and we can talk about how they've operated over the past 20 years, a combination of news reports, political studies, and field reporting from my personal experience.
00:28:06.000If you want to talk about right-wing groups, I can do the exact same thing, as I've done this on the ground as well, in many different countries.
00:28:11.000My question for you is, if you're going to assert the right is more likely to be violent because you read a press release from the University of Maryland, I'm asking you to define which groups...
00:28:20.000I dug, and I dug, and I could not find...
00:28:22.000Any research, even that came from a right-wing institution, that gave over the cross of...
00:30:00.000Even with the revision in 2022, you have 2023, 2024. The reason why I'm not going to argue with the violent crime thing is crime has generally gone down.
00:30:39.000Yeah, but don't say y'all and talk about Fox News.
00:30:41.000Is there a specific story you're talking about?
00:30:43.000It sounds like you're alluding to Lake and Riley.
00:30:46.000When you say that specifically, Fox News is running with these stories that don't depict an accurate representation of what's going on in the world.
00:30:55.000No, I mean, no, just stories about crimes happening.
00:31:01.000Let me tell you why I should cover it, but they never contextualize it with here's the broader crime.
00:31:06.000The reason why I asked you the cell phone question is that...
00:31:09.000When you have people who do surface-level stuff, you'll listen to a YouTuber say, all Fox News is doing is pulling up a story of an individual murder and then acting like it's out of control.
00:31:21.000That's something I refer to as a scaling problem.
00:31:23.000We know this as social media exacerbates knowledge of issues, making us feel like it's more likely to be occurring when it's actually not.
00:31:31.000So I have no problem saying that violent crime is down.
00:31:33.000There's a bunch of different institutions that argue like I think shoplifting has gone way up.
00:31:37.000So in some areas, it shows that crime is up, but then violent crime is down.
00:31:40.000Some people say that's the crime that really matters.
00:31:41.000The cell phone point is actually really important because when you laugh at it, you seem confused by it.
00:31:47.000We're talking about multi-order things.
00:31:50.000I know that technological advancements impact either crime in general or how law enforcement reacts to it or how medical professionals do.
00:31:59.000I just was laughing that you brought that up as if to refute my point about how anecdotes of crime doesn't debunk broader crime.
00:32:06.000No, I asked you about the cell phone thing because people who are single-order thinkers can't comprehend how something like a cell phone means homicide is down.
00:32:16.000Although there are still stabbings, although there are still shootings, the fact that we can call 911 right away means the person is less likely to die.
00:32:23.000So you'll end up with a larger amount of attempted murders and aggravated robberies, but less homicides because people survive.
00:32:29.000Phones haven't changed that much in between when Trump left office and when Biden has been in office.
00:32:35.000I'm talking about the general trend decline since the 2000s till today.
00:32:43.000People don't think about these things.
00:32:44.000Like one of the things that we think as to why crime has gone down is the removal of lead from gasoline.
00:32:48.000And then you might have someone be like, well, how does that happen?
00:32:51.000It's like, well, lead was actually frying people's brains in the air.
00:32:53.000And so to bring it all back, like with like the Nick Fuentes story and all that stuff, we take a look at the body of body politic 20 years.
00:33:02.000How many right wing protests have there been over 20 years?
00:33:06.000Depends how you define protest, but...
00:33:42.000However, the mainstream liberal Democrat position incorporates these groups in some degree into their facets, notably in their protests and in their body politic.
00:33:56.000So when we say AOC, for instance, is aligned with the left or or how about this?
00:34:03.000Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren both said violence is wrong.
00:34:09.000But people can only push so far as if to imply the health care CEO actually took an action that warranted the anger of people to be happy that he died.
00:34:53.000The left and the right, nobody should be mocking anybody for being hurt.
00:34:56.000Is sending a message that such violence is not as bad as the left wants you to believe if he's going, ooh, you know, whatever he said about public—and the lies that were spread about it.
00:35:06.000That's obviously trying to— It's very, very different from saying that the CEO of a healthcare company did something to warrant the anger towards him, like the call for his murder.
00:35:16.000First of all, I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but also for me, I'm just going to be principled across the board because I'm also against that.
00:35:24.000Did Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren say people can only be pushed so far?
00:35:27.000I'm sure they said something to that effect if you're bringing it up.
00:35:30.000What did the healthcare CEO do to warrant anger?
00:35:33.000What did they do that pushed people so far that they would be advocating for their murder?
00:35:40.000I'm not going to make an argument that I don't believe in.
00:35:42.000I'm not saying you should argue for what I'm saying.
00:35:51.000That statement means the healthcare CEO did something that warrants people calling for their death.
00:35:57.000I'd love to see the clip if you want me to break it down.
00:35:59.000Well, what they're alluding to is that the failure of the healthcare industries are responsible for their deaths and therefore they are murderers.
00:36:05.000And what I'm trying to explain to members of my own side because I'm principled and...
00:36:10.000Elizabeth Warren said you can only push people so far.
00:36:12.000Right, and so then I would say bad Elizabeth Warren.
00:37:32.000That would mean you're neutral on Trump's pardon then?
00:37:33.000No, because I think that the prosecutors who brought these cases then brought them in front of a jury and got convictions should be respected.
00:37:40.000Just like how I don't think that Biden should have pardoned his son.
00:37:43.000And even though these cases are far more serious.
00:37:46.000I think those outcomes should be respected because I respect the justice system.
00:37:52.000If you don't have a thought on how long they should be in prison, it's fine to say— This is what you do a lot, though.
00:37:56.000It's fine to say, like, if we don't know how the— If your argument fails, you're just going to ask hyper-specific, slightly irrelevant questions to me.
00:38:05.000Because I don't think it's relevant for me to figure out because I didn't sit in these courtrooms and listen to the details of every case exactly how long each one should be.
00:38:12.000How could you advocate for someone to be in jail if you don't know?
00:38:15.000Because Trump is saying we should subvert that process because he thinks what they did was patriotic and should then pardon them.
00:38:24.000I don't—has you specifically said it was patriotic to do that?
00:38:27.000Yeah, he—I mean, he, like, salutes to that song they sang every single— Well, like, is there a quote where Trump said that January 6th, people who attacked cops was patriotic?
00:38:34.000I genuinely— Because I want to be fully honest, I will say I'm almost 100% certain he said that at some point.
00:38:40.000That the people who attacked the police and were violent were acting patriotic?
00:38:47.000And then as we dive more specifically into that.
00:38:49.000I think if you're on the left or the right and you attack a cop, depending on the severity of the attack, like if we're talking about you're at a riot and you punch a cop or shove them, six months to a year is probably good.
00:39:10.000Look, do you feel as though more Democrats were willing to justify the BLM riots than Republican elected officials were to condemn January 6th?
00:39:22.000Well, interestingly, a lot of the—I will answer the left wing in a second—but a lot of the Republican politicians just changed their position.
00:39:29.000So initially it was like unanimously that was bad.
00:39:32.000Now almost all of them apologize for what happened that day.
00:39:35.000And we all, as I was explaining one of the times here, just—we all missed the broader danger of trying to block the peaceful transfer of power that led up.
00:39:44.000January 6th wasn't— No, but the question was specifically for the Democrats.
00:40:03.000My guess would be that more Republicans have apologized for the violence on January 6th than Democrats who apologized for violence during BLM. Very limited.
00:40:17.000They would all say violence is bad, but the cause was...
00:40:19.000It's the voice of the unheard like MLK, remember?
00:41:16.000It's like whenever you don't have an answer, you just get confused and say, what are you talking about?
00:41:20.000Yeah, I'm genuinely confused that you're not listening to me because obviously if I- I ask you a question and you just don't answer and then you go softestreet.
00:41:41.000Yeah, so the January 6th, while I'm only going to speak on things I'm very informed on, so I'm not going to tell you exactly to the month that they should get, I do respect the fact that they were prosecuted in a court of law, and I don't think Trump to send a message to his base that what happened on January 6th was good, which is why he would do such a pardon, should be pardoning folks who were violent.
00:42:17.000You need to explain why the time frame I'm asserting should be longer than three years.
00:42:22.000No, I'm saying the default, you have to have overwhelming, compelling evidence that someone has been wronged to justify a president stepping in and saying, I'm subverting the justice system outcome.
00:42:51.000Right, and so the system we have is...
00:42:53.000I'm just not loving, and this is a way of celebrating violence, that Trump is celebrating those, as far as a pardon, and in his rhetoric, and in his national anthem thingy, people who attacked the Capitol.
00:46:15.000You've taken a tribal position and people are suffering because of it.
00:46:18.000Now you say that Donald Trump saying the injustice that we've seen warrants commutation or pardons, you say that means he's advocating for violence.
00:46:27.000Then you cite a press release from Maryland saying, but the right's more violent.
00:46:31.000There is a distinction between a white supremacist as a right wing group and a run of the mill Christian conservative who showed up on that day not to protest.
00:47:03.000But there are so many young liberals who sit here and say, the corporate press told me that these people are bad, and the machine state government has decreed it by pen.
00:48:57.000Three months featured witness evidence featured at Tario when co-defense included videos, thousands of messages, and encrypted chat groups, as well as a public message on Parler.
00:49:04.000Honorable 4th, January 6th, Tario to convene a ministry of self-defense to coordinate Proud Boys' leadership on January 6th.
00:49:09.000The chat show that Tario stationed in Baltimore until encouraged the Proud Boys as they attacked the Capitol.
00:49:13.000Let's figure out what that encouragement was.
00:49:17.000Are they going to actually say in the article?
00:49:49.000They introduced evidence that Tario discussed with associates a plan to have a large crowd in Washington storm government buildings in a scheme they called 1776 Returns, in which the Winter Palace was used as an apparent code for the U.S. Capitol.
00:49:59.000In a message he said, make no mistake, we did this, do what must be done, and directed the Proud Boys to do it again.
00:50:07.000So the question then becomes, in the bigger picture— So are you going to at all acknowledge that you just blew up over something that I was absolutely citing fairly?
00:50:49.000If this was an actual plan, this was the leastly, most ridiculous plan ever.
00:50:55.000They went after people for having Lego sets of the Capitol.
00:50:58.000I mean, the level of political prosecution...
00:51:00.000Would you even admit that there was some level of politics when it came to the prosecution of the J6s?
00:51:06.000Would you say politics played a role in this?
00:51:08.000Engaging with this as thoughtfully as possible, not trying to grandstand.
00:51:12.000Of course, often, for very justifiable reasons, prosecutors will try to make an example of someone who, for example, tried to overthrow the government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
00:51:23.000I see why such a thing, categorized as sedition, would be uniquely bad to prosecutors.
00:51:31.000And political in that this all involved politics, right?
00:51:39.000The Wikipedia article making those claims is not citing any actual proof that they said those things.
00:51:46.000Because we're harping on these pardons, pardons are obviously an interesting political constitutional quirk that presidents are able to do that.
00:51:55.000It really does undermine the law in our country.
00:51:57.000But Biden's getting a lot of pushback for clemency that he granted for the Cash for Kids judge who was responsible for sending something like 2,000 children into a Pennsylvania jail, a private prison that he was getting kickbacks for.
00:52:09.000Do you think that was worse than any pardon Donald Trump could give to any January 6th writer?
00:52:16.000Have you heard of this judge that Joe Biden granted clemency for?
00:52:19.000A judge who was responsible for sending thousands of teenagers to prison for, you know, otherwise misdemeanor charges while he was getting kickbacks for.
00:52:27.000Joe Biden was getting a lot of pushback for this.
00:52:31.000Have you heard of this guy specifically?
00:52:33.000I've heard of that, but I'm not as read in on it as I should be to speak on it.
00:52:37.000But I was more focused on, just because it was the big story, and I wanted to, again, advocate principle, his Hunter Biden pardon, which has been the topic of discussion pardon-wise for us, mostly.
00:52:47.000It was funny, because you were telling us a little bit pre-show that you actually had a first-hand experience with Hunter Biden.
00:52:52.000I don't know, could you tell us anything about your experience first-hand with...
00:53:12.000There's a saying that if you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you're not conservative when you're old, you have no head.
00:53:18.000But the interesting thing about it is, like, what we define as conservative or liberal are amorphous, right?
00:53:25.000So, like, what does it mean to be conservative?
00:53:27.000Who wants to try and explain what conservative is?
00:53:30.000Traditional, hierarchical, individualistic, or the general ideals that it trends towards.
00:54:39.000You agree, though, that, like, him saying the government, this was a quote on true social, he pulled up, should come down hard on MSNBC? What's wrong with that?
00:55:37.000That's an authoritarian impulse to want to punish not outlets that I don't even know what the justification would be, but it's all about people who have wronged him.
00:55:46.000And if you disagree with that, I think you're obviously staring in the face of facts.
00:55:49.000I'm not saying that aggrieved parties should have no recourse, be it the government or otherwise.
00:55:53.000So if the federal government is lied about by the New York Times...
00:55:56.000Do you think Ann Seltzer deserves to be drained of her funds by Donald Trump?
00:56:50.000If you think that filing a defamation lawsuit is comparable to the government mandating everything...
00:56:54.000I'm saying there's nothing more authoritarian than saying we should terminate the Constitution because election lies pulled up on True Social.
00:58:58.000I mean, come on, like, dude, you're making a lot of statements of fact, and I'm asking you to just be like, hey, like, who claimed Trump said— Okay, fine.
00:59:05.000He accidentally made a bunch of false statements, and it led to terrible things.
01:00:01.000Yeah, that's the crazy bending over backwards way.
01:00:05.000Well, actually the reason- It's just a different interpretation.
01:00:08.000It's not crazy bending over backwards.
01:00:11.000You're putting the context- You don't say false statements about the election and then say we should do something that's not constitutional, which is throw an election out months and months after it happened, and then go, by the way- It was a question.
01:00:59.000Trump issued a statement that all rules and regulations, including those in the Constitution, can be overturned in the event that there is a massive fraud.
01:01:22.000If one guy thinks an election was unfair and can't present that in the places where you have to present it to get an election overturned, courts...
01:01:29.000Then yes, lie, false statement, whatever, it's ridiculous and it's dangerous is the important point.
01:01:35.000So I think if we want to go through instances where we feel like either side has done authoritarian things, we could do that.
01:01:41.000But it's wild, wild that y'all are so willing to speak out about what you perceive to be authoritarianism on the left with no understanding of the chief authoritarian crime you could do is trying to prevent the key part of our democratic process, which is the peaceful transfer power.
01:01:54.000The chief authoritarian crime you could do is kill someone without due process, but we won't get into that one tonight.
01:02:01.000The point here is when we're trying to logically understand what is going on, because clearly it's not so easy to say Trump is evil, Trump is good.
01:02:09.000There's two different factions in this country.
01:02:34.000Because fostering an environment where people who, for the singular reason that they speak out against you politically, which they're allowed to do, are criminals, that's the only thing he would cite, is that they've said terrible things about him.
01:02:46.000And then going further, say the government should get involved in punishing them, and then to show his willingness to, even before he takes office, with him as a much more resourced person trying to punish ABC, which we could talk about, that was ridiculous that they decided to be in the knee there, and then Ann Seltzer for doing a poll that was wrong.
01:03:19.000Or their power of their massive megaphone understanding he's about to have governmental power to threaten people who speak out against him.
01:03:27.000There was no guarantee that he was going to have governmental power.
01:04:02.000every interview no no no no they edited his interview too They edited two different versions, and when they got a bad reaction, they changed her answer.
01:05:43.000To prove there was a political motivation.
01:05:45.000And you agree Trump's not going to be able to do it.
01:05:47.000And I don't think Trump should be running around saying, if you edit things in the way that I don't like, if you say things I don't like, I don't even know what his case against MSNBC would be.
01:05:55.000But if you speak out against me politically, then I'm going to add you to a list.
01:05:59.000He recently said yes to Brian Glenn asking about social media influencers.
01:06:03.000And while, of course, you have a legal right to sue.
01:06:06.000There's that, and the fear he's trying to induce by bringing such bogus lawsuits, like the ABC one, bogus.
01:06:16.000He was, in a legal sense, wrong, but we all agree, the judge clarified that in common parlance, rape is the way we describe what he was on libel for.
01:06:25.000But Stephanopoulos said the jury said it.
01:06:27.000Right, and so you would have to prove...
01:06:30.000But you agree Trump never could have won that case, right?
01:07:10.000This instance accusing someone of rape is called defamation per se.
01:07:13.000So when George Stephanopoulos had been previously warned on multiple occasions, ABC News did, that Trump's legal team sent letters saying this is not rape.
01:07:22.000Do not say this on TV. That's why when they were approaching motion to dismiss, their lawyers decided we need to settle this and give Trump what he wants.
01:07:30.000I'm saying they could never prove, never.
01:07:33.000That he was saying something false enough, given that the judge—it wasn't like some— No, no, no.
01:07:38.000The judge clarified that rape is what he was found liable of.
01:07:42.000But George Stephanopoulos said the jury said this.
01:08:05.000There is defamation and there's defamation per se.
01:08:08.000Defamation is to say something that's false.
01:08:11.000And with the Times v. Sullivan, you need to have acted with actual malice, meaning you knew what you were saying was false or you acted with reckless disregard for the truth.
01:08:20.000Under that, you could make the argument that Trump's not going to win.
01:08:23.000However, this is defamation per se, which doesn't require these.
01:08:26.000It doesn't require damages, and it doesn't require you to act with malice.
01:08:29.000It only requires that you said something so damaging to a person as if to accuse them of an egregious crime, a sexual crime or having an infectious disease that you actually bypass those those precedents.
01:08:41.000In this regard, it was actually rather surprising to see how quickly ABC folded.
01:08:47.000And for 16 million dollars is no joke.
01:08:49.000They're going to build a museum for Trump.
01:09:07.000In this regard, George Stephanopoulos had been previously warned, as it's been reported, and he made a false statement about what the jury asserted.
01:09:16.000Yeah, the judge clarified that what the jury found him liable of—I don't know if we're going to get to a resolution on this, but what he was found liable of can be described as rape, even if what they technically— Do I believe the Eugene Carroll story?
01:12:35.000No, but I mean, like, what's the medical examiner's reasoning?
01:12:38.000Is it suffocation is the technical term?
01:12:40.000No, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
01:12:43.000I think you have a surface-level tribal position where you didn't actually research most of these things, and you're just saying what you think you need to say.
01:12:48.000Oh, no, I mean, I kept up with the—I mean, I watched the video, and then I kept up with the court case, and then he was found guilty of murder.
01:13:20.000And then you just say, well, what do you think?
01:13:22.000And I'm like, I'm here to figure out if you actually know what you're talking about or you're just masquerading as a political pundit.
01:13:26.000Yeah, I'm not really sure on any of the issues we've gone through how that's been...
01:13:31.000I think you read liberal opinions and then repeat the surface level versions of them, and you can't actually answer to the actual structure of why these arguments come up in the first place.
01:14:56.000I mean, I remember the details of them on the truck and all that, but on something I'm not prepared to talk about in an informed manner, I'm just not going to talk about it.
01:15:32.000The initial 1,547 page continuing resolution, followed by the updated simplified 116 page, I believe it was, and it's still lost, which means we're going to be coming up to a government shutdown Saturday unless there's some kind of emergency action taken, which I doubt will actually happen, but who knows?
01:16:02.000Yes, I think this bill is better than it was yesterday on certain respects, but to take this bill, to take this bill yesterday and congratulate yourself because it's shorter in pages, but increases the debt by five trillion dollars is asinine.
01:16:19.000So I'm just going to go and say, I think we all here agree with the Democrats.
01:16:22.000It was good to strike this down unless Elad has a different opinion.
01:16:26.000I will say, I don't have a different opinion.
01:16:28.000Just on this Chip Roy stuff, I do think Trump was trying to lift the debt ceiling for a time period.
01:16:34.000And then Chip Roy, who is a deficit hawk, as I understand, didn't want to do that.
01:16:39.000And Donald Trump is now calling for him to be primaried.
01:16:42.000Donald Trump and a lot of MAG is calling for everybody and their mother to be primaried.
01:16:46.000My take on it is because the Republicans don't have 60 votes in the Senate, I'm not so sure that shutting the government down does anything other than make Donald Trump Put Donald Trump in a position where people are going to go ahead and say,
01:17:12.000well, he was bad, he shut down the government, and then we ended up with a bill that had a bunch of things that we didn't like anyways, because you're not going to get it across the line with 60 votes.
01:17:20.000You're going to have to get Democrats to vote for it.
01:17:24.000And it's not like I'm saying that I like either of the bills that are presented.
01:17:28.000I would love to have a truly clean continuing resolution that's very short, but...
01:17:35.000I don't know that in the end it's going to work out where it's good for the country or for Republicans.
01:17:41.000I think every single one of them should be primaried.
01:19:07.000I love the idea of getting rid of the debt ceiling.
01:19:12.000And the only reason I like that isn't because I like unlimited spending, but because this is always just theater.
01:19:19.000It's every year, every six months, there's some kind of theater.
01:19:22.000What we really need is to have actual substantive change in the way the Senate operates and have the ability to get rid of these omnibus bills overall, have individual bills for individual laws, have one bill just for funding.
01:19:38.000I don't know the exact route to get that to happen.
01:19:42.000The majorities are so slim that that's why the gridlock is here, which is why you're going to have to see some cross-party working with.
01:19:50.000It's not anything that any of us want, either.
01:19:54.000This is probably just the reality that we're going to have to live with.
01:19:58.000Well, the thing is, if you're not willing to get it done with the people in your party because of the rhinos, then you're going to have to work with Democrats if you don't want a shutdown, which is what's going to happen.
01:20:07.000They're using that as leverage, and Hakeem Jeffries is milking concessions out of Johnson as a result.
01:20:13.000Well, what's your perspective on this?
01:20:15.000Yeah, these little battles are kind of, to me, because they're almost always in the same way.
01:20:55.000He wants a clean resolution, but he'd rather a shutdown than have to be saddled with whatever pork and bloat.
01:21:00.000But I don't believe any of this stuff for a second.
01:21:02.000Like these guys were so ready to vote yes on the CR and they wanted to get it through and they don't care because the way these things work is that they all go around and say, what does it take for you to vote yes?
01:21:12.000And then they're like, give me three million dollars for molasses testing, which is actually in it.
01:21:16.000And they're like, OK, and it's just like it's just like a free for all.
01:21:21.000What am I about to get right now for my district to run on in the future?
01:21:25.000It's awful and it's unconscionable that that's the way it is, but I don't know that we're going to be able to get any kind of funding bill That doesn't have that stuff because of how slim the margins are.
01:21:54.000Because clearly Democrats with the first edition of the CR were down to vote for it.
01:21:59.000Do you think Mike Johnson, if he ends up having to go that route again, is going to have issues since we're coming up on a speakership vote?
01:22:06.000He's going to have to work with Democrats, and then he will be called a rhino, and then this will be water under the bridge in three months, by the way.
01:22:12.000There's no incentive for Democrats to work with him.
01:22:27.000Come on, Democrats wanted to vote for that?
01:22:30.000Like, the American people look at that and they're just like, what?
01:22:34.000Well, the only reason Democrats voted no, so it was actually funny because we were watching Fox before with the live vote count, and Luke and I were both like, wait, wait, Democrats are voting no?
01:22:43.000And then we checked and it was like, oh, they did an updated CR. Because, like, you know, I'm eating lunch or eating dinner and I'm not watching the news and then you're traveling here.
01:22:52.000So, like, in the last few hours they introduced the new, we were surprised the Democrats were against it.
01:22:56.000Well, the Democrats didn't vote for the smaller one because it didn't have the pork.
01:23:41.000It's shocking to me after what we just...
01:23:44.000I will say there are, like, I think we all agree there were important additions in there, but in terms of the 1,500 pages, you know, to your point about, or someone's, what makes these things get passed.
01:23:53.000There's going to be stuff that's like, what the heck?
01:23:56.000They put a new law banning deepfake pornography, which is like, sure, I think that's bad too, but that should just be a bill that you vote on.
01:24:06.000Is someone going to put in a—how about this?
01:24:08.000Speaker Johnson, I got a pitch for you.
01:24:10.000I can get all of the MAGA Republicans on board with signing a 1,500-page bill if you just slide in one small page that says, effective January 1st, 2025, the ATF will be abolished.
01:25:16.000And then there was a public outcry and a campaign which incorporated Trump and Elon Musk.
01:25:23.000And it resulted in a whole bunch of Republicans saying, OK, I'm changing my vote.
01:25:28.000Notably, Anna Paulina Luna, who reportedly had posted she has no choice but to sign this because we need the disaster relief for the victims of the natural of Hurricane Helene, etc.
01:25:37.000And then the public backlash was no, they should be introducing a single page, one hundred billion dollar relief act.
01:26:31.000All they've been talking about is, oh, look, Elon Musk is the president, and blah, blah, blah.
01:26:35.000All they're doing is deflecting from the actual fact that they're the ones that could have voted to pass this smaller bill and fund the government.
01:26:45.000But it's likely that the Republicans are going to get blamed.
01:26:53.000All of the Republicans are just as bad as all of the Democrats, except for the fact that due to the Republican voter base, it forced them to actually back down.
01:27:02.000But the Democrat voter base did nothing.
01:27:05.000I was hearing two people's reactions like Democrats in Congress to that one.
01:27:09.000They have that 1,500 one up until I think today.
01:27:12.000And so I think for them it was we had a deal with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson.
01:27:17.000They then introduced another one just like this and it's sort of – They had a deal that had a lot of pork and then they got rid of all the pork.
01:27:23.000I mean that's just – So essentially what we're saying is the Democrats were like, we want to spend all this money and we want all these sweetheart deals.
01:27:32.000And then when the Republicans said, we don't want that, we want to just fund the government.
01:27:36.000The Republicans went to the Democrats and they all high-fived each other.
01:27:40.000And then the Republican voter base said, we will remove you from office.
01:27:44.000And the Democrat voter base said, yeah, we don't care at all.
01:27:46.000Well, the Democrat voter base doesn't have that pressure from their electorate.
01:27:50.000But because Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and Mike Johnson and Donald Trump all had this stuff planned out and then they responded to the voter base, the Democrats didn't have that pressure because the Democrat voter base doesn't care.
01:28:06.000They're fine with blowing out the money.
01:28:09.000The Republicans in office are looking out the window at a bunch of people with pitchforks and torches, and the Democrats are looking out the window with a bunch of people bowing to them.
01:28:23.000It sucks that this is probably going to happen.
01:28:26.000They're probably going to get a bill similar to this in January when Trump gets into office, when he's actually sworn in.
01:28:33.000The Republicans are going to have to come up with a I'd like to take this moment to try and articulate the problem with continuing resolutions just so that people who don't know can at least hear my argument.
01:29:04.000So forgive me, but there are probably some people saying like, well, what's the problem?
01:29:07.000Why can't we just have this massive spending bill?
01:29:10.000We can start with the easy, the dysfunction of Congress.
01:29:14.000Congress is not supposed to be that they just rubber stamp every spending bill and take your tax dollars and produce debt to just buy literally whatever they want, like molasses testing.
01:29:25.000You can explain to me why we need three million dollars for molasses testing.
01:29:28.000I'm sure there's a reason someone has, but it is a reason why you, the taxpayer, should be footing the bill.
01:29:33.000The bigger issue is mass spending bills and raising the debt ceiling just means there's going to be more national debt.
01:29:39.000The U.S. is going to have its biggest line item interest payments, meaning your tax dollars and newly printed fractional reserve dollars are largely going to just paying off the interest to all the debts owed by the U.S. government, meaning they're going to have to tax you more.
01:29:56.000It means that we're going to see inflation across the board because of this hypertaxation.
01:30:03.000And ultimately, if we continue on this path, we're never going to have sound resolutions like, I don't know, we need to build the Francis Scott Key Bridge.
01:30:14.000Okay, when you jam it next to a bill that bans deepfake porn and molasses testing, and you combine these things, you are going to end up with this.
01:30:24.000The Democrats and Republicans fighting over why this is happening.
01:30:28.000What we need is what Matt Gaetz proposed, single-issue spending bills.
01:30:31.000They could have easily passed them all today.
01:30:33.000$100 billion for disaster relief, we all agree.
01:31:27.000And then at the last minute, instead of even an omnibus spending package, they say, let's just continue the existing spending package and jam in 15, 1546 extra pages to get all of the things we were supposed to get for our constituencies that we never actually debated.
01:31:56.000Nothing makes sense and it's pure chaos.
01:31:58.000We don't have a functioning government right now.
01:32:00.000We have members of Congress who don't do their jobs.
01:32:02.000We have members of Congress who are spending all of the time fundraising.
01:32:05.000And the CR is an attempt to actually get something, a notch in their belt.
01:32:08.000So when they go home, they can say, hey, got you that molasses spending, didn't I? Vote for me.
01:32:13.000That's 100% what it is, but as long as there's not a 60 to 40 majority in the Senate, and I don't know what the majority has to be in the House.
01:32:26.000It's got to be like 215. I think it's a simple majority in the House.
01:32:28.000It's a simple majority, but they need like 215 or 220 to be safe, so that way they can lose some Republicans.
01:32:34.000So, I mean, as many as possible in the House.
01:32:36.000So, say 230, which they don't have and they're not going to have in two years, like...
01:32:41.000You have to deal with what, you have to play the hand you're dealt.
01:32:47.000I wish that the sausage making wasn't so ugly, but this is part of the reason why people get so frustrated with politics, is when you look at the realities of the situation actually in the chamber and what you have to deal with, the Democrats right now are just sitting back being like, ha ha ha, look at you Republicans, this is your mess, this is your problem.
01:33:07.000They have no incentive to actually work for the American people, and Their constituency is also doing the same thing.
01:33:14.000The constituency, as in the Democrat, the voters, they're like, ha ha, look at you, ha ha, they're sitting there laughing too.
01:33:22.000So it's not about, it's not just that Congress is bad, it's that the whole left versus right thing is a massive problem.
01:33:31.000Well, yeah, just saying the Democrats, it would be for reasons that y'all would disagree with, but have jumped in to save, which has caused problems for these speakers politically, both McCarthy and Johnson a bunch of times.
01:33:40.000It's not like they want to see them just hung out to dry.
01:33:42.000They just demand concessions to do that.
01:34:08.000Well, my point is that there have been things that, because of the way these games are played, get in that I don't feel like would pass stand-alone.
01:34:19.000You know, so it's like the cost-benefit announcement, but there's a lot of stuff, like they were putting in pay raises and healthcare enhancements that then you disagree with.
01:34:28.000I mean, in theory, I like the idea of a single— I don't support—personally, I don't support any of it.
01:34:33.000Like, I'm more of the opinion of Luke, like, let it all shut—like, shut it all down.
01:34:38.000Like, I'm in strong agreement with— What do you say to, like, the— People who need their benefits and necessary support.
01:34:46.000When it comes to those kind of things, because I don't think that it's a good idea to just cut them off totally with no kind of warning or no plan to fix it, I would say that that stuff should be funded, but it should be phased out.
01:36:56.000I don't think just increasing, like, there's not enough rich people to tax to fund everything, but it's a great point that social security is literally where we tax the poor more.
01:37:13.000So the reason that a tax break would be a good thing is because you actually would stimulate the economy or the intent is to stimulate the economy and an economy… That's what Trump promised last time and he ballooned his deficit, his economic… You're talking about COVID, though.
01:39:00.000I'm downloading it and then I'm gonna load it in so that we can zoom in on it.
01:39:04.000To your point, while you're pulling that up, It's so strange to me that we would be talking about fiscal responsibility that a lot of the MAGA folks in Congress are pretending like even though Republicans do have the worst record on the debt over the last century.
01:39:38.000First of all, they need to get consistent because Trump's record on that's horrible was one of my points.
01:39:42.000And then also, you don't come into office if you're serious about addressing the debt and immediately decrease how much revenue the government's bringing in.
01:41:24.000I'm saying that if it were true that that tax cut bill was going to significantly—so much so that it would help to balance out how much was being added to the deficit, thus debt—if that tax cut bill would be really economically stimulating, then why didn't we see that in the data year over year going from the end of Obama to the beginning of Trump?
01:41:41.000You would have seen a change in growth, a change in unemployment drops.
01:42:08.000So tracking the Obama years, 2008. So this is the year of 2008, which that's not fair, actually.
01:42:12.000If we go 2009, which is the first year that Obama was actually there, we're looking at like 12. And then he gets out in 2012. So it looks about 10, 10 trillion.
01:42:23.000And then if you do Trump, it's hard to know because of COVID. There's a big spike during COVID. And he doesn't he doesn't deserve.
01:42:28.000I don't give him a lot of credit for for COVID, especially.
01:42:31.000But we looked at the Biden-Trump analysis, removing it, and then also Obama was recovering from the Great Recession.
01:43:17.000If you look at Argentina, though, specifically what they did, they slashed government spending, eliminated entire departments, they laid off bureaucrats, they cut taxes, and it fixed inflation in their country.
01:43:27.000I don't see why we're not seeing this as the gold standard for something that we should be doing, because, of course, what you're describing is what's been happening for so freaking long, and the debt keeps going up and up and up, and you want more cancer to help with the cancer.
01:43:40.000More taxes, more rules, more regulations, more bureaucrats, more spending.
01:44:05.000And I'll give you the real simple version.
01:44:07.000Now that the interest on the debt is the largest line item, there's going to have to be a massive stimulus to dump money into the market so they can pay off the interest and the debt, which just devalues the currency, which means anybody holding U.S. debt is going to lose their shit, if you know what I mean.
01:44:21.000And then, you know, Thucydides' trap, we're going to war with China.
01:44:25.000And then hopefully after we go to war, we win.
01:44:27.000And then we can tell them we have no more debt.
01:44:30.000China's been awfully quiet after that, huh?
01:44:32.000Well, most of the debt the U.S. owes is to itself.
01:44:35.000So the debt is largely to the U.S. It's to various individuals, contracts, bonds, etc.
01:44:42.000The government likes to make promises they can't pay because they're like, we're the U.S. government, we got guns, we'll pay you eventually.
01:45:12.000And it doesn't matter what Donald Trump or Joe Biden did in the past.
01:45:18.000Right now, what we're talking about is what's going to happen in the future.
01:45:21.000And unless there are significant changes to mandatory spending, not discretionary spending, so it doesn't matter...
01:45:27.000That we send pennies to Ukraine or pennies to Israel because in the grand scheme of it, the amount of money that we're sending to both Israel and Ukraine is irrelevant.
01:45:35.000We need to deal with the unfunded liabilities, the mandatory spending, the Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
01:45:41.000They need to be restructured, but you can't touch them without everybody saying, oh, you hate grandma and want to throw her off a cliff.
01:45:47.000My view on this is I don't know why the government should be isolated from any other market force.
01:45:55.000If you work for a company and then you show up to work one day and your boss is like, hey, I'm sorry, we're out of business.
01:46:05.000Nobody's buying carpets anymore, and so we can't sustain this, and we're done, and you're not going to get paid.
01:46:09.000But when it comes to government, they're like, I'm pretty sure there's someone somewhere we're going to point a gun at to make sure they pay so I can make sure you keep getting your Medicare.
01:47:09.000The last one disproportionately benefited.
01:47:12.000A lot of big companies and wealthy people, but then didn't have the returns and growth that Front promised.
01:47:17.000So I don't think we should be sacrificing people's Social Security checks for the sake of a wealthy person's extra private jet write-off thing.
01:47:24.000I don't agree with Donald Trump either, okay?
01:47:26.000Because I think you need to restructure Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid.
01:47:30.000And so that's what Donald Trump doesn't want to touch that, and I think he's wrong.
01:47:35.000Just to get that out in the open so that way you can stop associating me with Donald Trump.
01:47:52.000Matthew Iglesias of Vox.com famously said, nobody likes to give themselves credit for this kind of messaging success, but progressive groups did a really good job of convincing people that Trump raised their taxes when facts say a clear majority got a tax cut.
01:48:03.000Yeah, I did not say raise their taxes.
01:48:06.000I'm not saying you did, I'm just pointing out that under Donald Trump, most people got a tax cut, and the left claimed it wasn't true.
01:48:14.000I know that people got tax cuts who weren't wealthy, but my point is that for a priority at all to be cutting taxes in ways that disproportionately does benefit wealthy folks is wild.
01:49:20.000But when it comes to the regulation of harmful materials, which is what we are typically referring to, like lead and stuff, I'm in agreement there should be more regulations.
01:51:12.000Not to mention, the cost of manufacturing in China is 75% lower, and we can just ship it back here, and we make a 35% gain.
01:51:19.000So then Trump said, okay, what if I remove some of these regulations on, say, carbon emissions and certain chemicals, allowing you to produce here?
01:51:27.000He said, well, then we could, but we're still dealing with a cheaper product.
01:51:29.000And he goes, if you don't, I'm putting a tariff on your product.
01:51:32.000And then they were like, well, I mean...
01:51:45.000Yeah, well, and I would say, well, I understand sometimes you're, of course, wanting companies to manufacture the United States in a general sense.
01:51:53.000Sometimes that can be beneficial, but that didn't really work for the economic system.
01:52:01.0002019 was the best economy we've had in like 40 years.
01:52:03.000Right, which was like a little inch forward across the projected economic performance that we already had projected pre-Trump coming to office.
01:52:11.000We can't really play that game though because everyone – I look at it like – You can play it all night long.
01:52:15.000Sure, but everybody always says – It's not that I'm saying – They said Obama's economy was miserable.
01:52:25.000I'm saying that – I mean it's pretty fair to say when you come in office during an economic crisis and then you – it's not that obviously the presidents are doing everything.
01:52:31.000I'm just saying if we're going to credit and blame and then you oversee recovery and then you hand a pretty good economy to somebody, they can't then because it continues on the trajectory that – again, you can look at the projections that it was set to that that's because of them.
01:52:48.000When I was – If we saw this crazy economic explosion compared to the – The performance that was expected based on where things already were, then you could look into, like, was it the tax cuts?
01:53:12.000No, I don't think I'm making a point that if you say Trump's economy was good but Obama did it, then I just say Obama didn't do it, Bush did it.
01:53:19.000Obama's economy was good because of quantitative easing.
01:53:22.000Like Obama's economy was good because free money.
01:53:33.000I'm not saying economic performance is because of the president.
01:53:35.000That's silly, but that's how people talk about politics a lot.
01:53:38.000And so my point in y'all's argument about rollbacks of regulations or tax cuts is saying clearly because it didn't change, it didn't change the trajectory in a positive direction in any major way, these weren't steps that I like the trade-off of.
01:53:50.000I don't like, and you said you partially agreed...
01:53:52.000A lot of the regulation rollbacks as it pertains to the environment, because I do think that is worse for Americans living here, and the trade-off of maybe a company manufacturing here isn't worth it.
01:54:03.000There's a lot of people that are young that really have, like, are having problems finding jobs, right?
01:54:09.000I mean, I know unemployment is low, but there's a lot of, like, there's people that are working multiple jobs and they're low-paying jobs and stuff like that.
01:54:17.000So I'm not so sure that jobs being overseas...
01:54:22.000Well, you were saying you don't think that...
01:54:26.000You think that it's a good trade-off to have...
01:54:27.000You don't have to have a good impact on manufacturing jobs in any major way.
01:54:32.000You're saying that the manufacturing jobs that are like in China, like Tim was talking about in China and stuff like that, bringing them back here isn't worth rolling back regulations to get those jobs back.
01:54:45.000I'm saying that would be an interesting...
01:54:47.000An interesting philosophical conversation, but we don't have to go there because he didn't even do it effectively.
01:55:16.000The regulations, a lot of them are weaponized, because if a company, if they're big enough and they have enough connections through all the regulators, they pass through their poison anyway.
01:55:26.000So poison is out there, and it's usually rubber-stamped through government that uses regulation to To stop any kind of real legitimate competitions against their buddies and their friends in the corporate world and the lobbying world.
01:55:37.000This whole system is entirely broken, and therefore I'm like, yeah, let's just get rid of all of them because we're selecting the winners and losers in this larger kind of economy, and that's not what a government should be doing.
01:55:47.000And that's why I'm for deregulating, ending this corruption, ending the lobbyists, ending this bullcrap and this revolving door with all the regulatory agencies and the corporations that really truly do control them.
01:55:58.000Generally, I'm of the opinion that Luke's right.
01:56:01.000It sounds nice when you benefit from the...
01:56:03.000No, I mean, what I'm saying is we do have means to punish people if they pollute.
01:56:08.000Like, property rights will cover a lot of things when it comes to if someone pollutes water, pollutes air and stuff.
01:56:24.000You said obviously, as if what you're about to say was obvious to everyone and it made no sense that there was any opinion other than what you're saying.
01:56:32.000So maybe obviously isn't the great way to agree with it.
01:56:34.000With what I'm about to say, you're going to realize that you do agree with it because I was about to say that obviously every regulation is not good.
01:56:41.000The reason that a lot of them were implemented, whenever I hear these sort of libertarian, utopian articulations of people's views, the reason we implemented these regulations is because people were being harmed by, again, the environmental impacts of companies.
01:56:55.000It's not true that through property rights or through individual lawsuits we solve the problem.
01:57:56.000The cost of training is more than the cost of the lawsuits they have to pay.
01:58:00.000So these regulations usually emerge when the government realizes the cost of the environmental damage is greater than the loss of the economic boon they get from it.
01:58:09.000It's all about whether they're going to make more money.
01:58:11.000The implication of your argument is that the government acts altruistically, and I don't think that's true at all.
01:58:17.000That's why you want more regulations than taxes.
01:58:19.000So when people were harmed, the reason why the government does it is not the same thing as what prompted the chain of events that led to that.
01:59:26.000I think right now what Javier Milley is doing is a perfect example of deregulating in a kind of sensical way where you slowly do it in a sensible way.
01:59:36.000Obviously right now we can't go into full anarchy.
01:59:41.000I think absolutely the free market would solve a lot of the problems, and I think the government overwhelmingly creates a lot of the problems.
01:59:48.000And if you look at a lot of the ecological disasters, they have the rubber stamp of the government that either participates in it or covers it up afterwards and plays a major role in underbiting and screwing people over that much more.
02:00:01.000If you look at a lot of the kind of experiments that were done, especially with radiation on people in St. Louis and all these other larger experiments, you see larger examples of the government literally spreading the poison themselves.
02:00:11.000Would a free market capitalistic system thrive off of that?
02:00:15.000A business would harm themselves and their enterprise and their reputation and their customer base if they hurt their customers.
02:00:22.000So therefore, I would argue overwhelmingly, and I would disagree with you, Tim, that a largely deregulated state would be a lot better than the current state of what we have with all these regulations.
02:01:08.000In a totally deregulated state, the amount of things that are going to be leaching into your food are going to be...
02:01:13.000But people still have the perception that the government cares about them.
02:01:15.000That the government is still out there regulating everything and therefore they feel comfortable.
02:01:19.000But if they understood, hey, it's a world where you're going to have to look out for yourself, I think that world is a lot more reasonable than the current one that we have right now.
02:01:26.000With pretending that it actually does care, that it actually does exist in a way that actually works in your favor because a lot of people are brainwashed to believe, yeah, I'm going to the supermarket.
02:01:57.000But it's also, I believe, fair to say that if we totally deregulated, some dude's going to be like, looks like cheese to me, sells it, people are going to eat it.
02:02:05.000How about when the radon girls were rubbing their teeth with radon because they didn't know better?
02:02:09.000Now granted, that's an extreme thing where within a few years their jaws were falling off.
02:02:12.000But right now we're in a civilization with tartrazine in our food, with pesticides in our food, with genetically engineered plants destroying everything.
02:02:21.000And with thousands and thousands of regulations on top of it regulating all those industries at the same time.
02:02:26.000But saying government is corrupt does not mean we shouldn't regulate things.
02:02:29.000I agree with the government's corrupt.
02:02:31.000But the government's not going to do it.
02:02:46.000I think people being more reliant and understanding that the world is wild, that not everything is hunky-dory, not everything is safe, I think is a better perspective of individuals.
02:02:56.000I think humanity is going forward and people moving forward in a way where they understand, hey...
02:03:02.000The responsibility is on me, because ultimately it is, because we're living in this make-pretend world, and in this make-pretend world, a lot of people profit off of by lying and screwing us over.
02:03:12.000Real quick, Luke, what do you do when we do go that route, and then you end up with a sickly, diseased, mentally impaired population voting?
02:03:24.000We have that now, I would argue, especially with the mental health crisis, especially with the obesity crisis, especially with all the regulations that we have now.
02:03:31.000I would argue that, yes, there would be some people that would win a Darwin Award, but there would also be a lot of other people that would become more self-reliant, more personally responsible, and there wouldn't be any need for them to come in and take more of your money to give us this make-pretend feeling that everything is hunky-dory.
02:03:46.000This is a good time to quote Thomas Sowell and point out that there are no fixes.
02:03:52.000So the amount of regulation that you have or what have you, in my opinion, there's probably too much.
02:04:00.000I don't think that regulation stems from good people in the government wanting to do good things.
02:04:21.000I disagree with your characterization that it's spawned by harm.
02:04:25.000I think most of the time it's spawned by government and businesses colluding, trying to keep other businesses from starting up, from engaging in whatever market they want regulation.
02:04:43.000So I don't think that regulation is actually meant to save people or protect people.
02:04:47.000I think regulation is generally meant to, as a barrier to entry for people.
02:04:51.000I mean, look at what happens when it comes to, you know, women that can't braid hair because they need a license for that.
02:04:57.000There's all kinds of, the vast majority of regulation is that type of regulation.
02:05:01.000Not the kind of, oh, you want to make sure the water's clean.
02:05:04.000Most regulation is dumb and pointless for the American people.
02:05:07.000Luke, I agree with you on principle of a lot of what you were saying with ultimately the decision and what you do is in your own hands and you have ultimate responsibility for that.
02:05:15.000But I think it comes to, there's like a certain limiting principle on it.
02:05:18.000So for example, there used to be no regulation on the tobacco industry and their lobbyists used to tell people that smoking actually made you more healthy and like it was good for you.
02:05:26.000So like, I don't know, what is your take on kind of the regulation?
02:05:28.000We're also told a lot of things are good for us, especially in our medical, in our current medical system.
02:05:38.000Because I know we could think of examples where it's not good, but what do you think about us trying to regulate the tobacco industry specifically?
02:05:45.000Well, there was medical doctors that were actually telling people, that were actually bought off, telling people, yeah, smoking's great for you, smoking's awesome.
02:05:53.000Of course, the lobbyists, the corporations out there, of course.
02:05:57.000But when you look at this larger kind of scenario and situation, right, whether it's tobacco or whether it's personal choices and personal decisions that individuals want to make, they still lived in this kind of world where they said the government knows what's best for you.
02:06:15.000And there is even a lot of government that has finagled studies, lied studies.
02:06:19.000And I can make the same counterargument there, and as Phil kind of described here with the Sowell quote here, again, there's no perfect answer here.
02:06:27.000It's not going to be everything going perfectly like you want it to go.
02:06:31.000There's not going to be any kind of victims or harm, obviously.
02:06:34.000But I would argue there would be a lot less harm, a lot less victims if there was less government.
02:06:38.000I know, but I think that's pretty clear.
02:06:40.000I guess that's why I'm trying to argue a specific situation for that reason.
02:06:41.000Because on the opposite spectrum here, we have a lot of forced mandates and a lot of forced products and a lot of things that are absolutely horrible for you, that rot your health, kill your health, that the government mandates and forces you and manipulates you to take.
02:06:54.000So I would argue that same question, but I would just spin it back in that same kind of philosophical way.
02:07:12.000So one thing that I want to point out, one thing that I want to say is, look, everybody knows that we have a fat society in America, that we're overweight.
02:07:19.000We have a massive problem with type 2 diabetes and early onset diabetes.
02:07:25.000If we got rid of the corn subsidies...
02:07:28.000We would get rid of the high fructose corn syrup in all the food, and the amount of sugar that people intake would be reduced dramatically.
02:07:35.000And that is because of government subsidies that we have all of the high fructose corn syrup.
02:07:40.000That is why there are so many people that are fat.
02:07:42.000So all of the disease, not all of, but a significant portion of the disease that we experience in the United States that people get from being overweight, from being unhealthy, is directly produced.
02:07:53.000Attributable to government subsidies of corn because of the...
02:08:00.000But the point being is we don't know how many lives would be saved over the course of the past three decades, four decades, if there were no corn subsidies.
02:08:11.000The one thing I've learned from all of these disparate worldviews is that I think I'm just gonna vote Democrat next time and they can just make decisions for me and I'll just do whatever they want.
02:09:39.000So I guess what is the difference between sex and gender?
02:09:41.000Yes, I mean, that's kind of the core of this bizarre, almost semantic debate we have.
02:09:47.000Other than probably some weirdos online, I don't think any rational person is actually arguing that, like, biologically you all of a sudden can become a different sexist.
02:09:58.000But then there are a lot of people who are.
02:10:00.000Well, I said no rational person, I guess.
02:10:08.000And so my point is that can y'all at least engage with the argument from most, the mainstream Democratic position, is that if someone's gender identity aligns with the opposite one as what aligns with their biological sex assigned at birth...
02:10:24.000And then they go through the extensive process and all of that.
02:10:28.000We're going to identify them as such because it's so social.
02:10:31.000I need to push back a little bit because I do think the mainstream position in the Democrat Party is that minors should have access to puberty blockers.
02:10:38.000And when you don't toe this line, for example, I think there was a Democrat congressman somewhere in New England who said like, yeah, we're a little bit too entrenched in this issue.
02:10:47.000But I guess my question for you would be, do you think that minors should have access to sex change?
02:10:52.000Hormones or testosterone, people under the age of 18. Right, so definitely not surgeries.
02:10:57.000Okay, but puberty blockers and testosterone.
02:10:58.000The things that are more reversible and I really would, I really would say that I understand the sensitivity of this issue, which is why I want the best medical consensus to prevail, which is to say that if you demonstrate, it's not, I have to be honest, it's not studied enough.
02:11:16.000We need more research on this, but I've seen some data that suggests pretty compellingly that if you were to not do any puberty blockers or anything with someone who has gender dysphoria, by the time they're fully through puberty and they're 18 years old, now the...
02:11:36.000Mental implications of that for the rest of life, especially someone who's male, are much more damaging.
02:11:44.000But I'm also not the medical professional, so I don't know.
02:11:47.000Do you think that gender identity should be a protected class under the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
02:12:01.000So, like, if there's someone who's clearly biologically male, and they want to use a woman's bathroom or a woman's locker room, not even like a changing room, but like a women's only area, you think that they should be allowed to do it?
02:12:28.000And what I've seen, and this has been researched, is that you actually don't see an increase in assault or harassment if...
02:12:37.000People are going to the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity, but if you force someone who, especially if they very much appear to be the, like, one gender identity, but then they are forced to go into the one that aligns with what they were assigned at birth, that actually does increase harassment and assault.
02:12:59.000Like, if you just start identifying some type of way, and in every way to an observer you look like a really mature man, then probably you go on the...
02:13:09.000I largely agree, but it is difficult, so it's hard to have a specific stance.
02:13:15.000Like, the individuals we often use for this, forgive me for saying your names, but they're like the two examples, is Buck Angel and Blair White.
02:13:21.000Are you familiar with these individuals?
02:14:19.000Therefore, it can't be protected under the civil rights law.
02:14:23.000So I don't know how you handle it, but ultimately then, it doesn't matter how many trans women are in the NCAA or whatever it may be.
02:14:31.000It's just simply, we don't care because you are not a protected class.
02:14:35.000Yeah, I mean, this has been one that I'm...
02:14:37.000I get upset with the weaponization of it, I'd say.
02:14:41.000Like, it being attached in the ways that it was to Harris when her campaign was something different.
02:14:45.000But I'm also willing to engage with it.
02:14:48.000Well, I guess, where do you think the Harris campaign fell when it came to trans issues?
02:14:52.000Because I feel like there's a little bit of gaslighting.
02:14:53.000Because I do, for all intents and purposes, believe that Harris and the Democrats, writ large, do believe that people can change genders and do, writ large, support...
02:15:30.000It's fair to say that she never made it a topic of her campaign, but it's not fair to say that it's not something that was made very public by Democrats consistently.
02:15:40.000Kamala in the past had been in favor of it.
02:15:42.000She didn't use it in her campaign of gender surgeries, notably when she said we want to give illegal immigrants entertainment transgender surgeries.
02:15:50.000I think you're totally right that her campaign did not say these things.
02:15:55.000That's why it's important we have free speech in this country so we were able to inform people, hey, she's dodging this issue.
02:16:01.000She's very much in favor of these things.
02:16:02.000She just won't say it because she knows it's a losing issue.
02:16:04.000Even if you look at what Biden and Harris, I guess, the administration has done on the issue, it's not like they're to the far left of the issue.
02:16:12.000There have been things they've done that have kind of walked the line we're talking about that pissed off both sides.
02:16:17.000I think Jazz Jennings' mother should be in federal prison.
02:16:41.000I used to be fine with the idea of gender and stuff, but the more you actually think about it, it really does boil down to, like, sex spirit.
02:17:26.000- I'm taking the dilator, Jazz, out of a dead sleep, and taking the dilator and put the lubrication on it and said, here, you take this and you put it in your vagina, What is this?
02:18:04.000Where Jazz Denning's mother says that if Jazz doesn't want to do this, she will wake up in the dead of night and tell her to do it or she will.
02:18:13.000If a man was caught on camera saying, I wake my wife at the middle of the night and I say, you stick this in you right now and if you don't, I will.
02:18:27.000We are looking at, with Jazz Jennings and as well as many other people, systemic child abuse to an extreme degree that has largely been defended by the Democratic Party.
02:19:18.000But when Emma Vigeland of Majority Report outright stated she wanted children to have access to descriptive scat materials, I'm like, okay, you must be a pedophile.
02:19:27.000And then she was like, how dare you call me that?
02:19:29.000And then they were like, could you believe Tim Pool called it?
02:19:31.000And I'm like, a grown woman said she wanted to give little kids books on what scat means.
02:20:31.000But this video, I hope everybody sees.
02:20:33.000And I hope everybody hears what she said.
02:20:38.000I have woken Jazz out of a dead sleep and taken the dilator and put the lubrication on it and said, here, you take this and you put it in your vagina.
02:20:54.000But look, the opposite of that is happening.
02:20:57.000You know, these people aren't being held accountable.
02:20:59.000Parents in Canada, parents in Europe are literally being sent to jail because they don't want to go along with the mutilation of their children.
02:21:08.000What do you think about those specific laws and this overreach of government that goes into people's personal lives and says, you know what, your child is going to not be able to have children forever because they just were influenced by either what they saw or the school or their peers that was kind of propagandized to them that essentially eugenicizes them.
02:21:29.000So I can't speak to what Canada is doing.
02:21:32.000But in the United States, I know I've seen multiple examples of laws supposedly that were getting passed that would do stuff like that.
02:21:38.000And when I looked at them, that's not what they were doing.
02:21:40.000But I just think this is something, as we hopefully all agree, that number one, if you're underage, there needs to be some reversibility to it.
02:21:51.000Oh, God, I think we're all in agreement with that.
02:22:12.000Like if they, if they're having gender problems.
02:22:14.000Basically, the reason why they're saying puberty blockers are reversible is that you can stop taking them.
02:22:19.000But at a certain point, if you, so if you're on puberty blockers, your body is still growing.
02:22:25.000It's just not developing secondary sex characteristics and other things associated with the hormones, like your joints, your eyes, etc., your bone density.
02:22:33.000So they say it's reversible because you can stop taking it and you live.
02:22:38.000It's not reversible in the sense that you will never get back the years 10 through 12 to be able to develop bone density as you're growing.
02:22:46.000Yeah, I would just pull up the research.
02:22:48.000My point is that I don't think I'm the best expert on this.
02:22:53.000And so that's why, and I don't think y'all are either.
02:22:56.000And I don't think the government probably will be best to make calls on which things are appropriate when, other than given our current laws around adulthood, I think permanent surgeries would do off the table.
02:23:34.000The ACLU's transgender lawyer arguing on behalf of trans kids that there is no evidence to suggest suicidal ideation decreases with transgender treatment.
02:23:41.000I don't think you're hearing what I'm saying.
02:23:44.000I'm saying depending on the medical consensus after thorough research should drive our approach to this.
02:23:51.000Just like any other issue and the obsession on this one with it being taken out of the hands of doctors and families as opposed to any other treatment kids get.
02:24:02.000But I'm not the expert, so don't pick my brain on it.
02:24:05.000Let's give it to an actual transgender individual who argued at the Supreme Court from City Journal.
02:24:10.000An astonishing moment took place yesterday at the Supreme Court, this is from two weeks ago, during oral arguments in U.S. v.
02:24:15.000Scrimetti, the case that challenges Tennessee's ban on pediatric sex change procedures.
02:24:18.000Chase Strongio, the American Civil Liberties Union attorney, admitted to Justice Samuel Alito that the narrative around the risk of suicide in trans-identified youth is false.
02:24:27.000Before Alito and Strongio's exchange, Justice Sonia Sotomayor had asked U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Proligar about minors with gender dysphoria who attempt suicide.
02:24:34.000Proligar responded that the rates of suicide, not attempts, but actual death by suicide in that population, are striking.
02:24:39.000Given the government's support for puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones as treatments for gender dysphoric youth, the clear implication of Proligar's remarks was that such interventions are known to prevent these tragic and interview common events.
02:24:49.000So this claim, the rates of suicide among gender dysphoric young people are high, constitutes a trans-suicide myth.
02:24:55.000When it was Strongio's turn, Justice Alito asked, Do you maintain that the procedures and medications in question reduce the risk of suicide?
02:25:02.000The transgender identifying attorney responded, I do, Justice Alito, maintain that the medications in question reduce the risk of depression, anxiety, and suicidality, which are all indicators of potential suicide.
02:25:13.000Note that Alito asked about suicide and Sranjo answered about suicidality.
02:25:16.000the latter of which refers to thoughts or intent of attempted suicide.
02:25:20.000Though suicide would be preceded by suicidality, research does not show that suicidality is a reliable predictor of suicide.
02:25:27.000According to the CDC, in 2022, for every one person who committed suicide, 270 people seriously thought about suicide and 33 attempted.
02:25:35.000Strangio's pivot to suicidality is a standard tactic, etc., etc.
02:25:38.000Then came Mr. Strangio's remarkable concession.
02:25:41.000What I think that is referring to here is there is no evidence in some in these studies that the treatment reduces completed suicide.
02:25:49.000And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully, admittedly, is rare.
02:25:52.000And we're talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don't necessarily have completed suicides within them.
02:25:56.000However, there are multiple studies in long-term longitudinal studies that do show that there is a reduction in suicidality.
02:26:09.000I'm saying this is a mental phenomenon.
02:26:13.000So then it's going to be treated and then you're going to check back like we do with any other thing that relates to the psychology of someone on how psychologically they're being impacted.
02:26:22.000I'm not going to put this on you, but generally speaking, this is what we would call a Mott and Bailey argument where the left has repeatedly said you can either have a transgender daughter or a dead son.
02:26:32.000Implying that they will commit suicide.
02:28:17.000Like, people throughout their life, a pretty large, not large percentage, a much larger percentage of people than who will end up being trans the rest of their life will have, like, confusions and dysphoria, and then ultimately they don't.
02:28:46.000Well, no, and I'm saying that based on the research that we're getting, if the medical consensus is such that the best thing for the psychological outcome of a child are treatments that we disagree on the reversibility of, then that's probably the best thing.
02:29:02.000We've gone way over, and we have a flight at 6 in the morning, so I've got to wrap it.
02:29:05.000But I really do appreciate you hanging out and going over with us and coming on.
02:29:10.000And I really do respect that you came here.
02:29:26.000We're getting on a plane first thing in the morning, so we were supposed to wrap and then not do a members only, but I'm, you know, I'm bad at this.