Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - PLANE CRASHES In Philly, FAA BANS Helicopters Near DC Airport w- Inspiring Philosophy

00:00:00.000 We have breaking news out of Philadelphia.

00:00:29.000 There has been a plane crash, a small Cessna plane, I believe, a jet, just after 6 p.m.

00:00:38.000 Friday.

00:00:38.000 It happened in northwest Philadelphia near Cotman Avenue and Roosevelt Boulevard just after 6 p.m.

00:00:47.000 There are, I believe there are multiple fatalities that have been reported, and we're going to get a little bit into that today.

00:00:54.000 It leaves multiple houses on fire, caused an explosion, so it was a good-sized plane.

00:00:58.000 It looks like there was a fuel involved, you know, there was a decent amount of fuel on the plane.

00:01:04.000 So we're going to talk about that.

00:01:07.000 There is...

00:01:09.000 Some information about the transportation security announcing the new FFA action to ensure safety in airspace.

00:01:15.000 That comes on the heels of the accident in D.C. at DCA where the Blackhawk and the American Airlines commuter plane.

00:01:27.000 We've got some information about the J6 protesters, about the prosecutors.

00:01:33.000 Interim U.S. attorney fires more than two dozen January 6th prosecutors in D.C. We had some of the J6 defendants and people that were pardoned and had their sentences commuted this morning on the culture war.

00:01:47.000 We had a great conversation about that.

00:01:49.000 So we're going to talk about that a little bit.

00:01:52.000 Let's see.

00:01:53.000 We've got some information about the Federal Reserve advisor that's been charged with economic espionage.

00:02:00.000 Apparently he has been giving trade secrets or information to the Chinese Communist Party, which is obviously a big problem for the United States.

00:02:11.000 The CBS News is reporting agencies are asked to scrub federal government websites to remove diversity-related content.

00:02:22.000 Guys painting over the walls.

00:02:23.000 The walls had diversity, inclusion, and all kinds of slogans, and they've been painting those over with the standard government gray, which, as much as the government gray is not really aesthetically pleasing, I think that it's a better option than diversity, equity, and inclusion.

00:02:41.000 And then we've also got the information about the Joe Ellis, the trans woman that was alleged to be on the Black Hop helicopter, but that is not the case.

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00:03:47.000 The 28th Amendment, chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, bear, and breed chickens shall not be infringed.

00:03:57.000 Whereas that does seem like a little quip and a play on the Second Amendment.

00:04:00.000 It speaks to a greater cause.

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00:05:03.000 Joining us tonight, we have philosophy.

00:05:06.000 What is it now?

00:05:07.000 Inspiring philosophy.

00:05:08.000 Inspiring philosophy.

00:05:09.000 Yes, I'm sorry.

00:05:10.000 Why don't you tell people...

00:05:11.000 Your name and where they can find you and stuff?

00:05:13.000 Yeah, my name is Michael Jones.

00:05:15.000 I'm a Christian YouTuber.

00:05:16.000 I make videos defending Christianity, arguing for the evidence that supports it, arguing for the truth of it, God exists, that kind of stuff.

00:05:25.000 You can find me at Inspiring Philosophy on YouTube, Twitter, or X, I guess it's called, as well as Instagram, TikTok.

00:05:32.000 You're trying to deadname it, right?

00:05:34.000 Yeah.

00:05:35.000 So, yeah.

00:05:35.000 Same name, just everywhere on those platforms, yeah.

00:05:38.000 And on X, it's Inspiring Philosophy?

00:05:41.000 Inspiring philosophy.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, so if you start typing it in, you'll see the symbol, and I'll just come up.

00:05:45.000 Ian's here.

00:05:46.000 Hi, everybody.

00:05:46.000 Ian Crossland, up in the house.

00:05:48.000 Come check me out at Ian Crossland anytime, anywhere, but we also have Brett Dasovic here.

00:05:51.000 Let's get going.

00:05:52.000 Guys, yes, let's get right into it.

00:05:54.000 Let's just go for it.

00:05:55.000 Oh, you're not even going to talk about who you are?

00:05:56.000 My name is Brett.

00:05:57.000 I normally host Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday right here on YouTube, but let's just get started, shall we?

00:06:02.000 All right, so we're going to get started.

00:06:04.000 Right now, we have some...

00:06:06.000 Some local coverage of the plane crash in Philadelphia leaves multiple houses on fire, causes an explosion.

00:06:13.000 CBS News is reporting, emergency crews are responding to an explosion in northeast Philadelphia after a small medical jet crashed in the area of Roosevelt Boulevard and Cotman Ave.

00:06:22.000 Philadelphia police confirmed to CBS News Philadelphia.

00:06:25.000 The plane, a Learjet 55, was going from Philadelphia to Springfield, Missouri, leaving the northeast Philadelphia airport when tragedy struck.

00:06:33.000 The plane crashed into a neighborhood outside the Roosevelt...

00:06:37.000 I don't know if you've seen any of the video, but the video of the actual crash...

00:06:44.000 So this is actually from someone where the crash has crashed into a neighborhood.

00:06:54.000 The debris field, I've been hearing reports that it's about the size of a football field, so about 100 yards.

00:07:01.000 By 50 yards or something like that.

00:07:03.000 It was a good-sized plane, had a significant load of fuel, which is why there's all this fire and stuff.

00:07:09.000 Well, it's right after takeoff, right?

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:11.000 And if it's heading to Missouri, I mean, that's a decent hike.

00:07:17.000 This is not the picture or not the video of the following one.

00:07:20.000 Hey, Serge, do we have the one with that?

00:07:21.000 Can you pull up the one where you can actually see the plane falling?

00:07:25.000 And the reason I want to show that is because it's not...

00:07:27.000 It didn't look like there was a...

00:07:31.000 It didn't look like they were in control and they were trying to land it or anything.

00:07:36.000 Like there was no descent.

00:07:37.000 It was straight down.

00:07:38.000 It was...

00:07:38.000 Something happened.

00:07:39.000 They lost control and it went nose down into the...

00:07:43.000 Thank you very much.

00:07:47.000 Wrong one.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, after this, you'll see this video of the plane coming down.

00:07:54.000 I mean, it's like full speed angling.

00:07:57.000 50 degree angle towards the ground.

00:07:58.000 The one from the ring camera, right?

00:08:01.000 Yeah, right here.

00:08:03.000 After you see this, Ashton Forbes posted on Twitter, it was a missile.

00:08:07.000 So, I don't know, that was a little...

00:08:08.000 So there you can see it.

00:08:10.000 Let's play that a couple more times.

00:08:11.000 The idea...

00:08:13.000 It was just straight down.

00:08:16.000 Yeah, I mean, I do take issue with people that are going to say it was a missile.

00:08:20.000 Maybe they were describing the way that it looked.

00:08:25.000 But it wasn't a missile attack.

00:08:28.000 It was actually a plane.

00:08:29.000 No, but the nature of the political discourse and everything that happened in the last couple of days.

00:08:34.000 So when we were, right when this happened, we were watching live on some of the, I think it was like one of the Fox affiliates here.

00:08:40.000 And they had live chat while they were, you know, on the ground reporting.

00:08:43.000 And a whole bunch of the discussion from the people who were watching or the people who were following along in the live chat were simultaneous discussions about whether it was some type of an attack or whether this was something.

00:08:55.000 DEI-related, which really, more than anything, just gives you an idea of where the public barometer is for how people feel about these types of events in the culture right now.

00:09:03.000 Do you feel like there's conspiracy brain now?

00:09:06.000 Especially, because I feel like we...

00:09:08.000 It's because of the internet.

00:09:10.000 Go ahead, I'm sorry.

00:09:11.000 The point is, when these things happen, I think it said 1,500 plane crashes a year or something, but the idea here is that you are now connected on the internet and connected to the news 24-7.

00:09:23.000 So before, when you only checked the news maybe once a day when you got home from work, maybe you read the newspaper when you were getting ready for your day.

00:09:31.000 Now, because you are constantly connected to digital communication, you are seeing these things every single day and not just in your area.

00:09:38.000 Whereas usually you'd be watching local news.

00:09:41.000 Maybe they would have stories on an international level, but most of it was local news unless you were watching cable news like Fox or CNN or like that.

00:09:49.000 So you are seeing far more things, which makes you primed to think that there's connected events when there may be, there may not.

00:09:54.000 How do you guys feel it?

00:09:55.000 I have thoughts, but I want to know what you guys are thinking.

00:09:57.000 Well, this is human nature.

00:09:59.000 I mean, you go back to how humans evolved.

00:10:03.000 We were sort of evolved to see patterns because you're more likely to survive.

00:10:07.000 If you go back and you're the ancient hunter-gatherer and you hear a ruffle in the weeds, it's better to think there's a predator there.

00:10:14.000 Than it just being the win because you're more likely to survive for the one out of a million chance that there's actually a predator there.

00:10:20.000 And that evolutionary thinking just carried over into our modern thinking.

00:10:23.000 So we see patterns everywhere now.

00:10:25.000 Two plane crashes happen within a couple of days.

00:10:28.000 They've got to be connected.

00:10:29.000 And humans hate coincidences.

00:10:30.000 They hate it.

00:10:32.000 So we always got to try connecting.

00:10:33.000 We got to think there's some bigger plan.

00:10:35.000 And the truth of the matter is sometimes just things happen.

00:10:38.000 And we just need to accept that we live in a chaotic world instead of trying to rush.

00:10:43.000 Like people do now, to start blaming everyone, trying to draw connections, trying to assume there's some bigger picture.

00:10:48.000 And that's not helpful for anyone.

00:10:50.000 We've got to get control of our...

00:10:53.000 Basic instincts, I guess you could say, and just have a more rational take on this kind of stuff.

00:10:57.000 And people have been gaslit for God knows how long, but it's really come out over the last decade, you know, with COVID, where they said, don't wear masks, they don't do anything.

00:11:04.000 And then a couple months later, it's like, actually, masks do do something.

00:11:07.000 We just lied to you because we needed the first responders to get the masks.

00:11:10.000 You know, the vaccine prevents transmission.

00:11:11.000 Oh, actually, it doesn't prevent transmission, they found.

00:11:14.000 It was a bat, but it turns out that it was actually the lab where it was grown.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, so people are hypersensitive to being lied to and they're willing, I think, overcompensating and saying so the opposite must be true then of what I'm being told.

00:11:28.000 But then there's also that you can make a living by being by being a conspiracy theorist literally online.

00:11:36.000 If you if you see something happen and you say, I'm going to say that it's this this crazy.

00:11:40.000 It's a missile and not an airplane.

00:11:41.000 And you get 10,000 likes and all these comments on your Twitter post.

00:11:44.000 Then you get a check for 500 bucks.

00:11:46.000 Yeah, I I find no punishment.

00:11:49.000 I think that, like, I mean, both your points, I think, are very solid.

00:11:54.000 My instinct was going to be to say what Ian said, because I think that the fact that the institutions that even normies, like, trusted, right?

00:12:05.000 Everybody that was a normal person, they always figured, well, the government is here to take care of us, particularly people on the right, right?

00:12:14.000 The right believed in the government.

00:12:17.000 It wasn't supposed to be the big government, but they believed that the institutions were reliable.

00:12:22.000 They didn't have the same suspicion for CIA the way the left did.

00:12:26.000 They didn't have the same suspicion for the police the way the left did.

00:12:29.000 They didn't have the same suspicion for government overall the way that the left did.

00:12:34.000 And after the way that COVID was treated, and possibly Donald Trump as well, but the way that...

00:12:40.000 I think it probably actually is the way that Donald Trump was treated, because again...

00:12:44.000 Republicans had been the ones that thought they were the ones that were the side that did things the right way.

00:12:51.000 They presented Mitt Romney, who was the most Boy Scout of Boy Scouts.

00:12:55.000 He was as clean and polished and prim and proper and unoffensive as a politician could possibly get.

00:13:02.000 And he still was considered a misogynist.

00:13:05.000 He was called all the names in the books.

00:13:07.000 He's a Nazi, he's a misogynist.

00:13:09.000 And the Republicans finally got to the point where they were like, well, we're just going to give you Donald Trump then.

00:13:13.000 You know, if everybody's a bad guy, we'll just give you the guy that will win.

00:13:18.000 And I think that the right has now realized that the centers of power are not...

00:13:29.000 Good or bad depending on their opinion.

00:13:33.000 They're good or bad depending on who's actually in control of them and who's the person making the judgment about good or bad.

00:13:39.000 Because the left will say, oh, it's okay that, you know, it was perfectly fine that...

00:13:45.000 Joe Biden pardoned his son.

00:13:47.000 You know, it's a father doing all the things, doing what he can for his kid.

00:13:51.000 He loves it.

00:13:52.000 The left will make the excuses that at one point the right would make.

00:13:56.000 The right used to say, well, you know, if a black kid gets roughed up by the cops, well, what was he doing?

00:14:02.000 You know, the right automatically sided with the police.

00:14:05.000 Nowadays, I think the right will be like, well, was the cop a good guy?

00:14:09.000 Why were they roughing the kid up?

00:14:10.000 I think that everybody's more suspicious.

00:14:13.000 Of, you know, the institutions now, and I think COVID and the way that the left has behaved in positions of power lately.

00:14:20.000 So I'm sorry I didn't cut you off.

00:14:22.000 I mean, this is more aligned with how humans have been throughout history, just suspicious of powers, suspicious of people and authority.

00:14:30.000 And then we go back to the ancient times.

00:14:32.000 There was a whole bunch of calamities happening.

00:14:34.000 Like, they would be like, well, the gods must be mad at the king.

00:14:36.000 That could be a common excuse.

00:14:38.000 I mean, if you go back even to the founding of this nation, you read a lot of the papers in the 1800s, very hostile towards their political opponents.

00:14:47.000 I mean, like, the idea that, like, the right for a short time was, like, pro-government, yeah, I see that.

00:14:52.000 But I think it's just going back to the way more aligning with how humans tend to be.

00:14:56.000 We're just suspicious of anyone outside of our tribe.

00:14:59.000 Everyone in our tribe is good.

00:15:01.000 Everyone outside of the tribe is bad.

00:15:03.000 And so we're going to see more of that.

00:15:05.000 And we had this brief moment, I think, where there was a little less of that.

00:15:10.000 It'd be nice to sort of get back to that, but I don't think we're going to be there for decades.

00:15:13.000 I was going to ask that question.

00:15:15.000 When did you say a brief moment, when did you think that was?

00:15:17.000 Well, I think the 50s is really the abnormal time in American history.

00:15:21.000 So like the Red Scare?

00:15:23.000 Are we talking like...

00:15:24.000 Yeah, that's a good point because the Red Scare caused people to start trusting the government more.

00:15:29.000 They're going to protect us from the communists very easily.

00:15:32.000 All we have to do is hide under our desks and the nuclear bomb will miss us nonsense.

00:15:35.000 You know, that kind of stuff.

00:15:36.000 So, I mean, that definitely sort of moved people in a direction.

00:15:39.000 But I think the more we just saw corruption—I think it started with Watergate.

00:15:42.000 So just blissful ignorance for a period of time where— Not so much that.

00:15:47.000 Yeah, I guess that might be the way to put it, but it was like there was a bigger enemy out there.

00:15:50.000 I think a lot of what the U.S. government does in a lot of ways is try to make boogeymen so they trust—people will trust them.

00:15:56.000 You know, like terrorists.

00:15:58.000 You guys got to trust us.

00:15:59.000 We'll keep terrorists away now is the thing.

00:16:00.000 It's not working as well.

00:16:01.000 I think that's actually why the Internet has played such an important role now.

00:16:04.000 So we've had that discussion.

00:16:05.000 I think me and you have even probably talked about this before.

00:16:07.000 Like even if there was— You know, nobody wants another 9-11, but even if there was, the way information is disseminated now, I don't think there would be the same type of coalescing around a nation the way that there was after 9-11.

00:16:19.000 I don't think that that's possible.

00:16:21.000 One, because of things like this, because people will automatically be suspicious, whether it involves our government, foreign governments, but there isn't going to be the rah-rah nationalism that united more people from both sides of the aisle back in, say, 2001, what, at the latest, and even that didn't last for all that.

00:16:39.000 I mean, I agree that it didn't last for all that long.

00:16:42.000 I just don't think we'll ever see something like that again in the age of the internet.

00:16:45.000 I feel like the charity that was given was really wasted by the Bush administration.

00:16:53.000 I mean, I was a guy that was very much a Republican kind of dude after, well, I mean...

00:17:02.000 In the late 90s and early aughts, I was very much a Republican.

00:17:05.000 And then when George Bush squandered all of my trust, and I was like, okay, well, there's no good guys in D.C. And then I was, you know, I started looking into people like Ron Paul and the Libertarians, and I started looking at the government as, you know, you should always be, at least to some degree, suspicious.

00:17:25.000 And I do think that – I think Brett's got a point.

00:17:28.000 I don't know that we would have the same kind of coalesce around the government, especially considering the way that the American people, younger generations, they haven't been taught that America is a good place.

00:17:41.000 They've been taught that America is a bad place.

00:17:43.000 We've been taught that all of the...

00:17:46.000 Fundamental principles that our country is supposed to have been founded on, we've been taught that they're all lies.

00:17:52.000 Now, whether or not that's true, I think that there's probably a kernel of truth to it, and that's only because human beings are fallible.

00:18:00.000 But generally, I think the ideals that the country is founded on and the aspirations that we have for our country are good, and I think that the United States has been a force for good in the world, but I still think that...

00:18:13.000 I think millennials and Gen Z feel less that way than I do.

00:18:18.000 I think a lot of it actually has to do with the declining religiosity rates.

00:18:22.000 You go back to the 90s, most people, whether blue or red, were Christian.

00:18:26.000 But that was the core of their identity.

00:18:28.000 I remember being in church and my parents were like, oh, they're voting for that person.

00:18:33.000 We were all Christians.

00:18:35.000 That's – the declining religiosity is – especially on the left, they've moved away from that.

00:18:39.000 So now their core identity then moves to politics, and this is what sociologists have talked about.

00:18:43.000 When you get rid of traditional religiosity, it makes room for political religiosity to move in, and that becomes the new god, the new religion, and everything starts to revolve around that.

00:18:53.000 So when left and right people are now fighting, it's not so much, hey, we'll see you on Sunday even though we disagree.

00:18:58.000 Now it's you're attacking our god.

00:19:00.000 You're attacking our religion.

00:19:01.000 It's going to create more polarization.

00:19:03.000 So this – as religiosity has been declining unfortunately, politics moves in to fill that gap.

00:19:08.000 Everyone gets more tribal, less trustworthy, and of course sociological research does show Christianity correlates with less tribalism, less prejudice.

00:19:17.000 I mean like – so I mean like what do you expect is going to happen?

00:19:21.000 So you would see blue dog Democrats next to maybe a Republican at church on a Sunday.

00:19:26.000 Oh, for sure.

00:19:27.000 And it's so weird.

00:19:28.000 So I had a boss that I worked with who was – she wasn't very active politically, but she did at least pay attention a little bit.

00:19:35.000 And they were very big.

00:19:37.000 They loved guns.

00:19:37.000 They owned guns.

00:19:38.000 They went to church on Sunday, and they were pro-union.

00:19:41.000 And I was trying to – I had to try to explain.

00:19:43.000 explainer said yours they don't support this anymore just the fact that you like firearms is something that if you were to try to be involved deeper within the party you will be expelled for because it is one of their main selling points when they are trying to fundraise whether it's anti-nra anything anti-weapon especially with school shootings and things like that and they hadn't yet realized because they weren't as politically active as some of us were just how easy it was to be expelled from the group because the tribalism was so heavy now

00:20:12.000 yeah i you know you you mentioned the the fact that we're less christian less religious and i mean i i as a a novice uh person who has limited experience to philosophy it still makes me think of nietzsche saying that god is dead and and the average kind of angsty teenager thinks that that was some kind of triumphant statement and Nietzsche was like, this is going to be a horrible thing for humanity

00:20:40.000 and then we saw the horrors of the first half, well, the horrors of the 20th century where it was, you know, first it was communism and Nazism and the fight for which of those two, I mean, I want to call them theologies because they both had a significant spiritual element I want to call them theologies because they both had even if, you know, The communists said that they weren't religious.

00:21:02.000 They said they were state atheists.

00:21:04.000 They weren't at all.

00:21:05.000 They didn't behave that way, and neither did the Nazis.

00:21:07.000 Well, I mean, historians kind of talk about them.

00:21:10.000 There's a whole debate about it.

00:21:11.000 But, I mean, a lot of them tend to say these are political religions.

00:21:15.000 And as research shows, I mean, look at things like Christian nationalism.

00:21:18.000 People are like, this is Christianity's fault.

00:21:22.000 2021 Stroop study shows that Christian nationalism actually manifests among the least churched individuals.

00:21:28.000 And what happens?

00:21:29.000 I mean, it makes sense.

00:21:30.000 If you're on the right and you start moving away from traditional religiosity, they keep a lot of the Christian symbols, but they reinterpret them into political ways.

00:21:38.000 Now Christianity becomes a civilization we have to defend, not an actual religion.

00:21:44.000 Nazism has been described as a political religion in a lot of ways.

00:21:47.000 We start moving away from traditional.

00:21:49.000 We start worshiping the state or, in terms of the Nazis, the Aryan race and that thing.

00:21:53.000 And what happens?

00:21:55.000 Everything now starts to become more materialistic, more focused on this is our territory.

00:22:00.000 This is our race we have to defend.

00:22:01.000 Tribalism will come up.

00:22:02.000 Whereas if you have traditional Christianity, you have Paul saying there's neither Jew nor Greek, free nor slave, male nor female.

00:22:08.000 You're all one in Christ.

00:22:09.000 Like, yeah, that's going to be more...

00:22:11.000 Actually, inclusive or drawing more people in.

00:22:14.000 But when we move away from that, you take the foundation away.

00:22:17.000 Chaos results.

00:22:18.000 And G.K. Chesterton called it Christian ethics gone mad because you take some of the ethics you like, you detach it from its foundation, and it goes off into some wild extremes that just result in a hole.

00:22:28.000 I've heard someone describe communism and socialism as that.

00:22:33.000 Exactly.

00:22:33.000 The ideas and the morality that's laid out in Christianity.

00:22:37.000 I think it was...

00:22:40.000 I forget the guy's name.

00:22:41.000 He's a British guy.

00:22:43.000 He's a historian.

00:22:44.000 I think he's a young guy, too.

00:22:46.000 Either way, he was describing that if you take the morality that's laid out in Christianity, but take...

00:22:53.000 Christ away and take God away, you end up with something like communism.

00:22:57.000 Was it Tom Holland?

00:22:58.000 Yes, I think it was Tom Holland.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, he's not a young guy, but you're thinking of the Spider-Man actor.

00:23:02.000 Oh, yes, okay, yes, that is.

00:23:04.000 I feel so bad for him.

00:23:05.000 I interviewed him on my channel one time.

00:23:07.000 He's a great, great guy.

00:23:09.000 He wrote a great book called Dominion, where his book is basically arguing Christianity has saturated the world.

00:23:14.000 Yes, yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

00:23:16.000 I didn't know the name of the book, and I think I might have heard Ben Shapiro talking about it or something.

00:23:19.000 But it does, it makes sense to me that the...

00:23:23.000 When you hear people on the left, they talk about morality and stuff, but without any kind of...

00:23:31.000 If you're an atheist, I find Nietzsche's argument that if there is no God, then man has to make his own morality.

00:23:37.000 It's the uber-mesh mentality.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, that without God to tell you what's right or wrong, and if we're all only here for an instant in the grand scheme of things, in the universal time scale, if you're only a...

00:23:56.000 I don't see why being quote-unquote good would matter to someone that didn't have any kind of religion.

00:24:09.000 Like, they'll say that they do.

00:24:11.000 They think that good matters.

00:24:13.000 They say, oh, I don't need a god to tell me what's good.

00:24:15.000 And it's like, well, why?

00:24:16.000 And that's what you see with the whole...

00:24:20.000 You know, the communism, it's like, well, you know, you want to be good to people and you want to take care of people.

00:24:24.000 And it's like, well, if we're all going to die and your life is actually only a spark in history, you know, of eternal history, why does it matter?

00:24:34.000 To steel man them a little bit.

00:24:35.000 I mean, they're not going to say, like, it's just great to be evil.

00:24:38.000 I mean, they would argue that being good is its own reward.

00:24:41.000 Like, it's good to take care of your family.

00:24:43.000 It's good to have loved ones around you.

00:24:45.000 But it makes it very easy for them to do some of the most evil things.

00:24:50.000 True.

00:24:50.000 But then you need to ask, why are they doing those good things?

00:24:54.000 Will they want to provide for their family?

00:24:57.000 Ultimately, what the Christian would argue is that's going to go back down to power, and this is also kind of what Nietzsche was going there.

00:25:03.000 Eventually, all that's left is trying to obtain power for you and your tribe or your family at that point, and that's what we see slowly come out.

00:25:11.000 I mean, if you are a traditional religious person, like a Christian, God has all the power.

00:25:16.000 You can't have it.

00:25:18.000 And so the basis now becomes love for him and what he did for us and that kind of stuff.

00:25:22.000 So love then becomes the central Christian message.

00:25:26.000 God died for us.

00:25:27.000 We love him.

00:25:28.000 He loves us.

00:25:29.000 But if you take that away, what is left?

00:25:31.000 Well, love is only useful as long as it brings me power or pleasure in some sense.

00:25:36.000 Helping my family is only good if it brings me power or pleasure in some sense.

00:25:40.000 So you get through the layers of what they're talking about.

00:25:43.000 Yeah, they could argue with, I don't want to go out and rob banks.

00:25:45.000 I want to be a good person.

00:25:46.000 I want to provide for my family.

00:25:47.000 Just go one meta-level lower.

00:25:49.000 Like, why?

00:25:50.000 What is the driving force?

00:25:52.000 And it's going to be something like power, pleasure, or safety, as C.S. Lewis would have said.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.000 I could go on with this conversation all night long.

00:26:00.000 And I think we'll probably come back to these kind of...

00:26:03.000 I will try to make sure we do.

00:26:04.000 Well, these topics, considering you here.

00:26:07.000 But I do want to jump to this story that is in relation to the plane crash.

00:26:11.000 The U.S. Transportation Security...

00:26:14.000 Secretary announces new FAA action to ensure safety in airspace.

00:26:18.000 This comes on the heels of the crash in Washington, D.C.

00:26:23.000 So it's the Department of Transportation is saying Washington, with the support of President Trump and in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, effective today, the Federal Aviation Administration will restrict helicopter traffic in the area over the Potomac River around Ronald Reagan, Washington National Airport, D.C.A., the Federal Aviation Administration will restrict helicopter traffic in the area over the Potomac River around These areas include Memorial Bridge to South Capitol Street Bridge, excluding the Tidal Basin, Haynes Point to Wilson Bridge, over the top of D.C.A.

00:26:51.000 The restriction exempts helicopters entering this airspace for life-saving medical support, active law enforcement, active air defense, or presidential transport helicopter missions that must operate in this restricted area.

00:27:04.000 Any helicopter operations outside the These exemptions will be prohibited.

00:27:08.000 These restrictions will remain in place until the NTSB completes its preliminary investigation of the air carrier incident, at which point it will be reviewed based on NTSB's report.

00:27:18.000 Now, I don't if you've ever been to that area and I'm assuming, you know, there there are a lot of people that are listeners that have never been to DCA.

00:27:27.000 I've flown in and out at the DCA multiple times.

00:27:30.000 I go down there to pick up my girlfriend when she flies in or out.

00:27:33.000 Her family's in Florida, so she goes in and out of there a lot.

00:27:37.000 If you look, you can see in this actual picture, I think, the...

00:27:43.000 Pentagon is very close to DCA, and the Pentagon itself has regular flights of Blackhawks flying around all the time.

00:27:54.000 I assume that that's generals flying from other air bases or from other military bases.

00:28:01.000 Fort Meade's not too far away.

00:28:03.000 That's up where the NSA is housed.

00:28:06.000 Maybe there are people from Langley, from...

00:28:11.000 The CIA headquarters flying to the Pentagon.

00:28:16.000 So it's a very, very busy area, and it's not really a surprise that they're making these kind of limitations.

00:28:23.000 I guess what I do find a little surprising is that with it being such a busy area, and because they're supposed to have two people on staff, one person for aircraft, regular planes, and then one...

00:28:38.000 For helicopters.

00:28:40.000 What do you guys think, you know, what do you think of the fact that they didn't have people on?

00:28:45.000 Now, I know there's a lot of talk, you know, DEI and stuff, and I know that the more that I hear about this after the accident, that they were having significant problems actually staffing the people, and they were, if I understand correctly, they were turning people away based on their race.

00:29:02.000 Do you think that this kind of action is actually going to solve the problem?

00:29:07.000 And furthermore, do you think that the Trump administration, with their efforts to undo the DEI mess that we have in the government, do you think that that's going to prevent further accidents and further negative consequences from DEI policies in general?

00:29:21.000 This looks more like they're trying to quell the fears of the public, like, look, we're going to get rid of some helicopters so it's still safe.

00:29:30.000 Because after this, I was like, I'm not flying out DCA for a while.

00:29:33.000 That freaked me out.

00:29:34.000 I didn't know there were that many helicopters.

00:29:37.000 So that's maybe what they're doing.

00:29:38.000 Also, maybe general safety, dude, with the whole helicopter hitting the airplane, and they said that it was supposed to be two people watching that, and there was only one.

00:29:46.000 I was like, is this because Trump just fired a bunch of people and they were short-staffed?

00:29:50.000 I do want to point out, just because I don't want people to lose their minds, the last time there was an accident of this magnitude was 2009, and that airspace has been this busy.

00:30:04.000 For every single day since then.

00:30:07.000 And I don't know.

00:30:07.000 And the last time there was an accident, it wasn't this airspace.

00:30:10.000 It was the last time there was an accident in the United States.

00:30:13.000 So this is terrible.

00:30:15.000 This tragedy is horrible.

00:30:16.000 But I want people to have a sober look or sober thought process when it comes to air travel and when it comes to this stuff.

00:30:23.000 We are not in a situation where planes are going to start falling out of the sky all the time.

00:30:29.000 These policies do have ramifications, but it's still the safest way to fly, and you really don't need to be on edge just because you have to get into an airplane.

00:30:40.000 I know that I'm throwing the wet blanket on the conspiracy theory people here and stuff, but it is important to remember, this is an accident, and there have been no accidents since 2009. This is exceedingly rare.

00:30:56.000 When there are accidents, it is almost all...

00:30:58.000 There's always multiple human failures.

00:31:00.000 Planes don't just fall out of the sky.

00:31:04.000 The plane looked like it fell out of the sky in Philadelphia, so maybe I'm eating crow about that one.

00:31:08.000 One of the things that really shocked me was they showed video of the actual, what the screens that the air traffic controllers are watching, and it looks like Atari 2600, no, no, not even 8-bit graphics, like 2600K graphics, I don't know what they were, crappy little, an X and an L indicating an airplane, or it was an F, I think, in a triangle.

00:31:30.000 Come on.

00:31:30.000 Like, you have people looking at these things.

00:31:32.000 They update every second, and it shows it appearing in a new position.

00:31:36.000 Like, dude, we need some top, like, high-tech monitoring systems that give you a warning if it shows that a craft is approaching another craft ahead of time.

00:31:46.000 They're looking at, like, 30-year-old technology.

00:31:48.000 I think that I saw the same screen that you're talking about, and above the two planes, they had red CA collision alarm, right?

00:31:54.000 And I... I think, and tell me what you think of this, I think the reason why they go with very simple-looking graphics is because the less information, because there are so many planes, right?

00:32:06.000 There's so much stuff going on.

00:32:07.000 I think that they go with simplified graphics like that because it's to keep the actual...

00:32:13.000 Only the most important information being fed to the people that are watching, because if there's too much stuff, you can get overwhelmed.

00:32:23.000 Now, granted, I would absolutely agree that you have to be well-trained, and maybe that is a training issue, but what do you think of that, Ian?

00:32:31.000 This is probably true.

00:32:32.000 Like, the whole, it's a triangle to indicate an airplane, and I think it was an L or an F, an F to indicate the helicopter.

00:32:38.000 You can see that.

00:32:38.000 That's easy.

00:32:39.000 I play Caves of Coot.

00:32:40.000 It's a 2600-bit game where you get familiar with the symbols and what they mean, but, like, give us a warning, like an audible...

00:32:48.000 They have those.

00:32:49.000 So I worked in a Rapcon.

00:32:50.000 Look out!

00:32:50.000 You've worked where?

00:32:51.000 In a Rapcon.

00:32:52.000 So when I was in the Air Force many moons ago, 2004 was when I joined, I was assigned to be an air traffic controller.

00:32:59.000 And I did horrible at it, so I didn't continue it.

00:33:01.000 But yeah, the reason why the technology is so old is because, keep it simple, stupid.

00:33:07.000 Not you, but you get the idea.

00:33:11.000 Complicated computers can fail or crash easier.

00:33:13.000 This stuff has been working.

00:33:14.000 It's, you know, analog.

00:33:15.000 It's going to last.

00:33:16.000 So, you know, it's been working for so long they're going to keep it.

00:33:19.000 And so there are things that start to warn when planes get close.

00:33:22.000 Like, it does come up on the screen.

00:33:24.000 I remember that.

00:33:24.000 It did say that there were multiple indications that there was...

00:33:27.000 There's going to be indications on the plane.

00:33:29.000 There's going to be indications of the controllers.

00:33:30.000 And the controllers can only warn at the end of the day.

00:33:34.000 I heard that they said the helicopter was flying too high.

00:33:37.000 From what I saw.

00:33:39.000 That's what I saw.

00:33:39.000 Specifically to keep it out of the flight path of a plane.

00:33:43.000 Well, the traffic controllers have a two-dimensional screen they're looking at.

00:33:46.000 They don't see how high or low the things are.

00:33:48.000 The numbers will indicate elevation.

00:33:50.000 So they've got to look away from the plane on the map to see a number up top to indicate its altitude.

00:33:56.000 Like, yo, give me a three-dimensional imagery thing to look at.

00:34:00.000 They should have a screen where it actually shows the elevation with the symbol.

00:34:04.000 Because I remember...

00:34:05.000 Again, when I was in the RAPCON, you would see the planes and it would indicate 5,000 feet or 6,000 and you would say things like descend and maintain 5,000.

00:34:13.000 And also the elevation or the altitude indicates direction, right?

00:34:18.000 If you're at certain altitudes, you are for east-west, certain altitudes are for north.

00:34:23.000 And I'm just like throwing it out there.

00:34:26.000 It's not exactly.

00:34:26.000 But if you're at one altitude, that altitude means you're supposed to be heading on one direction.

00:34:32.000 If you're at a lower altitude or a higher altitude, that...

00:34:34.000 That altitude is for a different direction.

00:34:37.000 The altitude not only is telling you how high you are, but if you're paying attention and flying properly, the altitude will also indicate what direction you should be going.

00:34:48.000 So this thing was at the wrong altitude, so it indicated to the controller they were flying in a different direction?

00:34:52.000 It was coming in.

00:34:54.000 I think when they say they're on approach, that means that they're going to be going through.

00:34:59.000 But you know how it takes like 20 minutes to get out of, like, when you're at altitude and they're like, they're going to start descending?

00:35:03.000 They don't just go down.

00:35:05.000 They go down.

00:35:06.000 Down, down.

00:35:07.000 They're taking steps down.

00:35:09.000 And then once they get close enough, then they say, I think on approach means you can actually begin descending and heading towards the runway.

00:35:15.000 And I'm a layman.

00:35:16.000 I don't know.

00:35:16.000 I'm just telling you the things that I've heard.

00:35:18.000 But you would probably be able to tell better than I would.

00:35:20.000 So many.

00:35:21.000 It's like 20 years ago.

00:35:22.000 But yeah, they would slowly descend and you would see the elevation going down.

00:35:26.000 But again, if there's only one guy in there working and he's looking at multiple screens, he's got multiple planes.

00:35:32.000 What I remember from seeing on X is that...

00:35:34.000 He did send a warning, like, did you see those?

00:35:37.000 And that's all he can do at that point, is, hey, I warned you.

00:35:39.000 And then he probably was looking at something else, and then...

00:35:41.000 They also said even when there's multiple people scheduled, a lot of times if somebody goes on break, they go down to just one and that this has been going on.

00:35:49.000 It's like you said, this has been going on for a long time without anything happening.

00:35:53.000 And, you know, maybe today is just the day.

00:35:55.000 And the problem is, to me, is like, especially given how close this is to the inauguration and all of the policies that Trump is now implementing through executive orders, is that DEI is a very big discussion that's going on right now.

00:36:09.000 now, and this is not new to just this incident.

00:36:12.000 I mean, over the last year, depending on how often you are on X or anything like that, there is a discussion where people talk about DEI specifically as it relates to flights and plane crashes.

00:36:21.000 So in something, you know, whether it's like people getting on airplanes and stuff like this, so this has unlocked a lot of fear that people have regarding those things.

00:36:29.000 So, like I said, we were watching that crash earlier, and a lot of the discussion that was going on in the live chat, whether it was Fox News covering this, is people asking if this is something related to policy that...

00:36:40.000 Hinder good hiring practices.

00:36:41.000 And that's not an unreasonable thing for people to be afraid of, even if they haven't really looked for evidence of it in a particular case.

00:36:48.000 What it does is it indicates that when somebody has that the first thing on their mind, it means that that's something that's in the consciousness of the public.

00:36:55.000 Yeah.

00:36:55.000 And to Brett's point about this being an ongoing conversation, even though these are the first actual accidents that have happened in a long time, if you watch these kind of...

00:37:08.000 Air traffic controller, exit counts, and stuff like that, you would see that there are a lot of near misses.

00:37:15.000 That kind of thing happens fairly frequently, and I don't know how much that is because of, you know, errors in the tower, errors with the pilots, you know, and I don't know that we can quantify it either, you know?

00:37:29.000 How do you guys feel about integrating artificial intelligence into the control itself?

00:37:33.000 So, you've got a machine saying, look out.

00:37:37.000 Like, maybe there's still a dude sitting there, but on top of that, you have different...

00:37:40.000 If a guy has to get up and go take a piss, there's still an artificial intelligence, or like nine of them, all watching the monitor, all warning crews and pilots, prepare, look, you know, incoming, look out, this, that, and, like, fail six.

00:37:54.000 Again, you might be more of an expert on this than I am, but isn't, like, isn't...

00:37:59.000 Autopilot, kind of what that does?

00:38:01.000 Most planes have instruments that they can see the radar on the plane and they'll see, oh yeah, there's one coming this way.

00:38:07.000 This is just an extremely rare occurrence.

00:38:09.000 So the pilots can see their own radar.

00:38:12.000 They also can, you know, so they have IFR and VFR. They can, you know, visual flight rules versus instrumental flight rules.

00:38:18.000 So they have their own instruments and they have air traffic controllers also telling them about stuff.

00:38:22.000 So there's...

00:38:22.000 All sorts of things.

00:38:23.000 And, you know, if they do get close, something does start to beep.

00:38:26.000 Remember that.

00:38:28.000 The Blackhawk was dark, meaning it wasn't showing up on radar?

00:38:30.000 No transponder, right?

00:38:32.000 So this is all on the government.

00:38:34.000 This is fully to blame Department of Defense.

00:38:36.000 I mean, they owe the families a lifetime of servitude.

00:38:40.000 They need to repay these people.

00:38:42.000 Like, this is a government, basically, assault, an unintentional assault on the civilianry.

00:38:47.000 I don't know if I would go that far, because the...

00:38:51.000 The way that I've heard some of it described is they were talking to the pilot of the Blackhawk, and they were saying, stay behind the regional jet.

00:39:00.000 But there was a regional jet that was taking off, as well as one coming in.

00:39:04.000 And so, if I understand correctly, the tower and the helicopter pilot were communicating, and they were telling him, stay behind the regional jet.

00:39:16.000 And it seems like, again, I'm not saying that I have inside knowledge or whatever, but it seems like he, the pilot of the Blackhawk, thought he was talking about the plane that was taking off.

00:39:27.000 And he was behind it.

00:39:28.000 And actually, the tower was talking about the plane that was coming in because they were both the same type or a similar type of regional jet.

00:39:35.000 They were both not big jumbo jets.

00:39:37.000 It wasn't like a 747 coming in or a 737. They were both smaller jets.

00:39:40.000 And the pilot of the Black Hawk thought that he was talking about another one.

00:39:43.000 Again, this is just what I heard.

00:39:45.000 I didn't actually look into it and stuff.

00:39:47.000 So I don't think that...

00:39:49.000 I guess what I'm saying is that kind of strong language about an attack and stuff.

00:39:52.000 This is people making mistakes.

00:39:56.000 And whereas I'm 100% on board, the government can just print money out of nowhere.

00:40:01.000 So yeah, pay all the families.

00:40:03.000 Absolutely.

00:40:03.000 There's no problem, in my opinion, with that.

00:40:06.000 But I don't think that there was any malice involved.

00:40:11.000 And I don't think that it was any kind of...

00:40:13.000 I think it was just, you know, human error and stuff like this does happen as tragic as it is.

00:40:17.000 Yeah, unintentional assault.

00:40:18.000 I use the word unintentional for sure, but, like, if a soldier unintentionally drops a grenade into a foxhole and kills nine other soldiers, you still court-martial the guy.

00:40:26.000 I mean, it doesn't matter if he intended to do it or not.

00:40:28.000 No, the pilot's dead, so...

00:40:31.000 But who, the controller that told him to stay behind, vague jet number one...

00:40:35.000 The controller's not in the military.

00:40:37.000 The air traffic controller, from what I can see, did his job.

00:40:40.000 He did warn.

00:40:41.000 If it wasn't understood properly, it's not on him.

00:40:43.000 I mean, it would be on him if he did not give any warnings.

00:40:46.000 But from what I can see from the audio, yeah, he did give warnings.

00:40:49.000 It just may have not been understood properly.

00:40:51.000 I guess it's just this primal urge to lash out and blame someone is still resonating inside of me.

00:40:58.000 I mean, that goes back to human nature.

00:41:01.000 Go back to the ancient times.

00:41:05.000 Why is it not rain?

00:41:06.000 Well, we need to probably kill this Steve because Steve forgot to make a sacrifice to the temple the other day.

00:41:11.000 We just want to blame someone to fix the solution.

00:41:14.000 What you're feeling is perfectly natural.

00:41:15.000 And that's actually why, like you asked at the beginning, you said you listed what the government plans to do and you asked, like, is that even necessary in this case?

00:41:24.000 And that's because people have the primal urge to blame someone.

00:41:27.000 So the government has to be seen doing something when something like this happens, even if there isn't necessarily known whether it's...

00:41:36.000 I mean, you know, you can crucify the person that's the air traffic controller, but it doesn't mean that it's going to, and I mean figuratively, but it doesn't mean that it's going to prevent the next issue.

00:41:49.000 I think that sober approach to figuring out why it happened and...

00:41:54.000 Doing more to staff these places.

00:41:58.000 Maybe you take the government out.

00:41:59.000 Maybe they should be all privatized.

00:42:01.000 This is an argument that can be made.

00:42:02.000 But yeah, I don't think that an emotional attack on the guy that's running or the person running the air traffic controller is a good idea.

00:42:13.000 But we're going to jump to this next story here.

00:42:16.000 Intern U.S. This, in my opinion, is good.

00:42:35.000 But we're going to go ahead and read on.

00:42:36.000 on the Washington Post is reporting.

00:42:38.000 Interim U.S. attorney Ed Martin on Friday announced the dismissal of roughly 30 federal prosecutors who worked on Capitol riot cases in the Washington, in the Washington, D.C. office over the past four years.

00:42:49.000 Two people familiar with the matter said Friday.

00:42:51.000 The employees were hired to permanent career positions after serving under special or short term status as the office surged to manage nearly 1,600 prosecutions after the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol.

00:43:04.000 The prosecutors remained under probationary status, which allowed the firings without recourse under Justice Department policy, the people said.

00:43:12.000 So, today on the culture war, we had four people that were, three people that were pardoned, and one person whose sentence was commuted.

00:43:20.000 It was the QAnon shaman.

00:43:23.000 I forget the guy, I don't want to...

00:43:29.000 Shout out to Jacob Chansley, the QAnon showman.

00:43:31.000 I love the man.

00:43:32.000 Jacob was great.

00:43:33.000 We had Nick Ox, who was a proud boy, Stuart Rhodes, Jay Johnson, and Jacob Chansley.

00:43:39.000 So Jay Johnson was actually on Bob's Burgers for a while, and he basically comes from Hollywood, and he got wrapped up, and he...

00:43:47.000 To me, it seems like he was the one that was most likely to have been just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

00:43:57.000 Stuart was the guy from Oath Keepers.

00:44:00.000 Yeah, he was the leader of the Oath Keepers.

00:44:01.000 Yeah, and he was there.

00:44:03.000 He's the one who had his sentence commuted, but he's still considered guilty of the crimes.

00:44:10.000 I think he was going to get like 20 years or a long, long time.

00:44:14.000 But they were all saying, look, You know, the prosecutors essentially were doing things that were illegal.

00:44:22.000 They were not—it was not a fair—none of them felt like they had a fair trial.

00:44:26.000 The entire jury was all out of D.C. They felt like if those trials were held anywhere other than D.C., they would have gotten a fair trial.

00:44:37.000 The judge was biased.

00:44:39.000 The judges were all biased.

00:44:41.000 You know, Jacob Chansley, he—if I understand correctly, he didn't do— Anything violent, right?

00:44:48.000 And there's plenty of video with Jay.

00:44:50.000 You can't miss the guy on January 6th.

00:44:52.000 You know, I mean, the QAnon shaman went on to, you know, people were, actually, Jay had worn a QAnon shaman Halloween costume after it happened the year, like, you know, the following Halloween, and that was part of the reason why he got such a bad outcome with the court.

00:45:13.000 They were like, you can't be sorry.

00:45:15.000 If you're dressed like that, you think it's a joke.

00:45:17.000 I mean, never mind the guy's a comedian, right?

00:45:19.000 He's a voice actor and a comedian for Bob's Burgers and stuff.

00:45:24.000 But, you know, I mean...

00:45:25.000 I understand why, not that I agree, but I understand why the Oath Keepers got looked at the way they did, why the Proud Boys got looked at the way they did, and why Jacob was looked at the way he did.

00:45:38.000 But when it comes to Jay, I mean, he was treated really, really badly for no reason.

00:45:44.000 And that's, my understanding is, out of all of the people that were arrested, all these guys did sometime in, or no, Jay didn't, but all the other guys did sometime in solitary confinement.

00:45:56.000 Some of them did long stints in solitary confinement, which is like torture.

00:46:01.000 I mean, solitary confinement is where the worst of the worst go.

00:46:06.000 The people that are violent to other inmates, people that are a threat to other inmates, people that are a threat to themselves, and none of these guys were that.

00:46:13.000 Even if you have a distaste for the Proud Boys, Nick was not.

00:46:18.000 That guy.

00:46:19.000 He was there literally doing...

00:46:21.000 He was just being a journalist, right?

00:46:24.000 I think it was...

00:46:25.000 I forget the name of his group.

00:46:27.000 It was something...

00:46:30.000 It might have been Murder the Media or something like that.

00:46:33.000 It wasn't helping his case.

00:46:36.000 The name wasn't helping his case.

00:46:37.000 But he was there.

00:46:39.000 He wasn't involved in any of the fights with police or anything.

00:46:43.000 It's just that he was a Proud Boy.

00:46:45.000 And the government was intent on making the Proud Boys out to be an example.

00:46:50.000 The same thing with the Oath Keepers.

00:46:52.000 So most of these people had their due process.

00:46:56.000 Like, they were not given due process most of the time anyways, right?

00:46:59.000 Yeah.

00:46:59.000 So these prosecutors were hired specifically to handle these cases and were kept on in a probationary phase.

00:47:06.000 That's why they're allowed to be fired without any sort of following hearings or anything?

00:47:11.000 If I understand correctly, yeah.

00:47:11.000 Okay.

00:47:12.000 And, you know, I don't know what their history was.

00:47:16.000 Leading up to this.

00:47:17.000 But, you know, if these guys were hired specifically to prosecute J6 people, I imagine that the argument or the directive that they got was, look, these people are guilty, we all know these people are guilty, and essentially the court cases, the actual trials, are kind of just for show.

00:47:39.000 That's the kangaroo court.

00:47:40.000 Yeah, it essentially, that's the way that it sounds like, especially when, you know, when they articulate it.

00:47:46.000 And again, I understand there are people that were here this morning that a person that is not sympathetic to the J6ers at all, they wouldn't be sympathetic to their plights, except for, like I said, you know, Jay Johnson, he was, you know, he was there.

00:48:02.000 He felt like it was a boring day.

00:48:04.000 He said that he felt like...

00:48:06.000 There wasn't much going on.

00:48:08.000 It was mostly people just milling about until the tear gas started, and then he was trying to get out of there.

00:48:14.000 But I don't recall if he actually went into the Capitol or not.

00:48:21.000 But the way they described the people that were in the Capitol, there was no violence in the Capitol.

00:48:27.000 And upon hearing that, it did make me think, you know, I really...

00:48:30.000 Didn't see any of the closed caption footage where there was fighting inside.

00:48:35.000 All of the fighting that I saw with police was outside.

00:48:38.000 There's that Ashley Babbitt situation inside.

00:48:40.000 Yes.

00:48:41.000 They were trying to climb over a window to get into the inner sanctum or whatever.

00:48:44.000 Yeah.

00:48:45.000 Broke a window.

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:46.000 And then the cops opened fire and had been broken a window.

00:48:48.000 That was one shot.

00:48:49.000 And that wasn't, you know, that wasn't attacking.

00:48:52.000 Police.

00:48:53.000 She was trying to climb through a window.

00:48:54.000 Now, granted, she was trying to go somewhere she shouldn't have been.

00:48:56.000 I think somebody broke the window before they tried to climb through.

00:49:00.000 Well, yeah, I mean, it was a broken window that she was trying to climb through.

00:49:02.000 And on the other side, there were still Congress people.

00:49:04.000 So that was the justification for opening fire.

00:49:07.000 I think that he shouldn't have, but that's what the story would be.

00:49:12.000 But there was no fighting with police inside.

00:49:15.000 So, I mean, I do think that it's...

00:49:19.000 It's a good thing that these people are fired.

00:49:23.000 Less government is never going to be...

00:49:26.000 Less people employed by the government will never be a bad thing.

00:49:29.000 Ever.

00:49:30.000 Unless they're air traffic controllers.

00:49:32.000 Air traffic controllers could be done privately.

00:49:35.000 Less lawyers.

00:49:37.000 Never a bad thing.

00:49:39.000 Do you have a take on it, Mike?

00:49:41.000 I mean, I will admit I am very, very behind on a lot of this stuff here.

00:49:47.000 I think this is just really just – I'd be more interested in the actual symptoms of this.

00:49:52.000 This is just – I think a lot of people on the left wanted this to happen to the J6ers.

00:49:58.000 They were angry.

00:50:00.000 They feel like they won the 2020 election, and then when they saw this, the way the media blew out of proportion, they wanted what – They wanted justice and they wanted these people to pay because they keep calling it an insurrection, insurrection.

00:50:10.000 They were trying to destroy our democracy.

00:50:12.000 And so it just enabled the people in power to really just throw the books at them in every way they can because… Again, as I was talking about earlier, this tribalism stuff just comes up, and with declining religiosity, your political side becomes the new god.

00:50:27.000 These insurrectionists, in the eyes of people on the left, were going after...

00:50:31.000 Heretics, blasphemers.

00:50:32.000 They're heretics, they're blasphemers.

00:50:34.000 They were going after their victory in their religious, their political religiosity, and that was considered sacrilegious.

00:50:41.000 Do you remember where you were in your own personal context on January 6th?

00:50:46.000 What were you doing?

00:50:48.000 Do you remember?

00:50:48.000 I was reading a book in my home in Tucson, just minding my own business.

00:50:53.000 And then I saw the news.

00:50:54.000 I was like, you know what made me think of it?

00:50:56.000 It's like, well, yeah, a lot of leftists were rioting in cities around the country.

00:51:00.000 Now the right is just doing it.

00:51:01.000 Okay, well, yeah, they're angry that Trump didn't win.

00:51:04.000 I mean, this is what they're going to do.

00:51:06.000 And then I just sort of went back to reading.

00:51:08.000 And then I just, I saw it constantly getting blown out of proportion.

00:51:12.000 Now, again, I'm a layman in this.

00:51:13.000 This is really not an area I've studied a lot, but it just seemed like, I was like, Does this really need to be dragged on and on?

00:51:20.000 We're going back to J6 like it's Pearl Harbor, for crying out loud.

00:51:24.000 And it didn't really seem like it was that big a deal.

00:51:26.000 And as just an average American who's more interested in other topics, I was like, can we just move on?

00:51:32.000 I'd much rather talk about inflation or if Biden is really there and what's going to happen in the midterms.

00:51:37.000 But no, everyone's going back to J6. And I feel like a lot of average Americans were just over it in a few months.

00:51:42.000 And they were sort of mad at a lot of...

00:51:44.000 I mean, I heard from people on the left that said, can we just move on?

00:51:48.000 Only the most politically indoctrinated were the ones that were the most affected by this story.

00:51:52.000 I'm interested in actually hearing both of your takes on that.

00:51:55.000 Like, where were you guys?

00:51:57.000 Did you work here?

00:51:58.000 It was before I worked here.

00:51:59.000 Okay, what about you, Ian?

00:52:01.000 We had actually talked about maybe going down on the 4th.

00:52:04.000 We were like, should we go down and do a show from DC on the 6th?

00:52:08.000 And then we were like, no, no, sounds like a bad idea.

00:52:10.000 It just doesn't seem like a good vibe right now.

00:52:13.000 So we ended up, we were just home.

00:52:15.000 It was funny.

00:52:16.000 So for me...

00:52:17.000 Look, even doing this show, I'm not the most political person.

00:52:21.000 Certainly most of my social media, you wouldn't see that.

00:52:23.000 And I had friends, or what used to be friends, who reached out to me and wrote very long messages about the evils of this event, even though I had not said anything about it, nor did I really care about it in any way, shape, or form.

00:52:36.000 I was out skating when this happened and had no idea what was going on until I got home that day and lost friends over this event where I had to read, like, 12-page diatribe.

00:52:46.000 It's about why I was a bad person because I did not, I guess, call this out despite the fact that I had nothing to do with it nor talk to them at all about my political beliefs.

00:52:55.000 If they said I voted for someone, they certainly didn't hear that from me, so they wouldn't have noted anyways.

00:53:00.000 But for the people who are the most politically indoctrinated, the lack of speaking is sometimes worse because they believe that silence is violence and they will take anything you don't say as a crime as well.

00:53:11.000 And that was probably one of the bigger awakenings for me at that moment that it's not just going to affect other people.

00:53:18.000 It's also possibly going to affect you as well.

00:53:21.000 And it was shocking to me because, look, this is also one of those cases where you have to do a ton of research if you want to refute them and talk about it as well.

00:53:29.000 Like if I have to talk to them now and point them out and say, when you talk about how many police officers died on January 6th and you don't acknowledge that they were suicides after the fact.

00:53:38.000 And one of them was zero.

00:53:39.000 I said that there was zero on January 6th.

00:53:41.000 I said, I don't have any interest in debating this with you.

00:53:44.000 I don't care.

00:53:45.000 To me, whatever my friends believe politically never mattered to me.

00:53:48.000 It's never been an issue for me to have friends on all sides of the aisle.

00:53:52.000 I still consider myself, for the most part, a fairly liberal person.

00:53:55.000 It never mattered to me.

00:53:57.000 And to see people who probably agree with me on a fair amount of things still end 20-year friendships over something like this that had nothing to do with them.

00:54:06.000 They weren't there.

00:54:07.000 Had nothing to do with me.

00:54:08.000 I wasn't there.

00:54:09.000 This was, I guess, maybe post-COVID as another issue.

00:54:15.000 There was COVID, there was George Floyd, and then there was this.

00:54:18.000 And there was all of these events that primed the American people to just start hating each other.

00:54:23.000 And certainly, I guess, maybe it's like a game of whack-a-mole.

00:54:26.000 Eventually, one of them was going to get to me, despite the fact that I didn't have anything to say about any of it.

00:54:31.000 And that's sad.

00:54:33.000 It really is.

00:54:33.000 It goes back to that religious fervor thing.

00:54:35.000 Silence is violence.

00:54:36.000 If you don't participate in the rain dance, the gods are going to be mad, and they're not going to send rain.

00:54:42.000 It's a similar psychological phenomenon where you have to participate.

00:54:46.000 I mean, when St. Augustine was around, a lot of the pagans were blaming the collapse of the Western Roman Empire on Christianity because the gods are now mad.

00:54:54.000 And he wrote City of God to refute that and say that's just not the way the world works.

00:55:00.000 So the same kind of stuff is happening.

00:55:03.000 It's just carried on into new modern fervor, I guess.

00:55:06.000 I had to point out, I said, look, did you care when people entered the chambers when Brett Kavanaugh was being confirmed?

00:55:13.000 You don't know about that here.

00:55:14.000 Let me tell you about what was going on when Brett Kavanaugh was going to be confirmed because there was plenty of people, and this happens in local governments all the time, especially when leftists and leftist groups dislike something that's going on in the government.

00:55:27.000 They feel emboldened to be able to protest.

00:55:29.000 Because they understand that the legacy media will never frame them in the way that the legacy media framed the, you know, Donald Trump supporters when this happens.

00:55:38.000 So it emboldens them to go out and continue to act that way because they know they're not going to face any repercussions for it.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, we were talking about that this morning and that was kind of everyone's sense that like, especially again, I... Keep referring to Jay because Jay was the kind of the most normie guy that kind of got swept up in it.

00:55:57.000 Like everyone else was, you know, politically active.

00:56:00.000 I mean, even the QAnon Shaman, he, Jacob, he was, he's very politically active, very politically aware, shares a lot of the sentiments about, you know, about what the left is doing in the United States and stuff.

00:56:12.000 And Jay was, you know, very much an L.A. normie.

00:56:15.000 And when this stuff happened, he was kind of shocked because he went from being a dude that would get parts and get jobs, and after that, all of his work dried up, he lost his job, his agent fired him, you know, or, you know, quit on him and stuff.

00:56:31.000 And that, as someone that comes from the music industry, I... Didn't experience that same thing, because I was already persona non grata, you know, almost seven, eight years prior to this, because I was one of the people that would say, no, it's important that we have free speech.

00:56:48.000 It's important that we are able to, you know, we should listen to people like Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben Shapiro talk, because even if you don't like them, you know, what they say might, you know, inspire a good dialogue.

00:57:00.000 And the response from people in the music industry was like, no, we should punch Nazis.

00:57:05.000 I'm surprised.

00:57:06.000 And there were people that I was friends with that I would have assumed were liberals, right?

00:57:11.000 They would have probably called me a libertarian, maybe a conservative libertarian, and I would have called them liberals.

00:57:17.000 And then these people were saying, no, we should punch Nazis like Milo and punch Nazis like Ben Shapiro.

00:57:22.000 And I'm like, Ben Shapiro is Jewish.

00:57:24.000 This doesn't make sense to me.

00:57:28.000 And so I outed myself very early when Woke came around as someone that wasn't going to play along.

00:57:35.000 And so there was a lot of that.

00:57:37.000 I started losing friends long before, you know, the January 6th stuff.

00:57:42.000 But I understood what he was going through because he was just like, oh, this all was dropped in my lap.

00:57:47.000 And for some reason, now everyone looks at me like I'm persona non grata.

00:57:52.000 And I was even getting, as someone that everyone knew, you know, I was on Twitter.

00:57:57.000 Just memeing the whole thing all day long.

00:58:00.000 I was sharing the Mars Attacks meme where the old lady stands up, they blew up the Capitol, you know, and I'm sending that meme out and laughing about it and making jokes about the riot because it was also my sense that we had just gone through a year of violence night after night after night after night protests and Kenosha and You know,

00:58:24.000 there was all the stuff that happened in D.C. and the May 29th attack on the White House and all that stuff.

00:58:30.000 And so from my estimation, it was like, oh, just another another riot that happens.

00:58:36.000 You know, when Donald Trump was elected, there was riots.

00:58:38.000 They burnt that guy's limo.

00:58:39.000 You know, they were smashing up D.C. And so I didn't get the sense that this was some big deal.

00:58:45.000 But some of the people that I knew that I'm not going to.

00:58:49.000 Name them, but they were, you know, sending very accusatory tweets.

00:58:52.000 Where were you, Phil?

00:58:53.000 I'm like, I was in New Hampshire.

00:58:55.000 I'm tweeting from my office.

00:58:57.000 And they're like, well, do you think it was okay?

00:58:59.000 And I'm like, well, I mean, it wasn't okay, but neither was all the other riots.

00:59:03.000 It was just a riot.

00:59:05.000 And as far as I was concerned, there was never a time where Pence was actually going to do.

00:59:14.000 What the few Trump supporters that were hoping he would not certify, there was never a time that was going to happen.

00:59:20.000 It was absolutely ridiculous from as soon as the idea was presented that maybe it was an insurrection, that maybe Donald Trump was trying to take the presidency.

00:59:31.000 I was like, there is no way on earth that any other outcome is going to happen aside from Joe Biden will be the president.

00:59:39.000 He will get, you know, they will.

00:59:41.000 Confirm that all the votes are there.

00:59:43.000 There is no world in which that doesn't happen.

00:59:47.000 And to even present the idea is so ridiculous that I can't take you serious.

00:59:52.000 And then that's what the Democrats did with the whole, like, at first it was, I was thinking it was a riot.

00:59:56.000 It's like an insurrection and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:59:58.000 Again, I thought the same thing.

01:00:00.000 It was a riot.

01:00:00.000 And yeah, they definitely went way overboard.

01:00:04.000 But then I think the response was, you know, it definitely seemed, from my layman perspective, it went overboard in response.

01:00:11.000 Everyone was throwing gasoline on this situation.

01:00:13.000 They just made it worse, and it's like we're well past the days when we can sort of come together.

01:00:20.000 You look at how the Civil War ended.

01:00:22.000 I mean the North had the South defeated, and they were like, we need to work on unity.

01:00:28.000 We need to work on getting past this.

01:00:30.000 Why can't we return to those days where… Yeah, we're humans.

01:00:33.000 We make mistakes.

01:00:34.000 We've done bad things on both sides, but we need to work on unity and try to forgive.

01:00:38.000 I've just seen none of that from either the left or the right or the past.

01:00:41.000 Four, eight years even.

01:00:43.000 I mean it's just – everyone's just throwing gasoline on it instead of trying to look for national unity.

01:00:47.000 I mean isn't it a big part of that because the majority of the fighting that's happening is being done digitally and it's very easy to other a person when you're arguing with an avatar rather than the actual humanity of a person right in front of you?

01:00:58.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:00:59.000 You're behind a screen.

01:01:00.000 You're safe in your room.

01:01:01.000 You probably don't even have any pants on and you can say whatever you want.

01:01:04.000 But that just – I mean honestly, social media is proving one of the main Christian doctrines called total – I mean, I remember Michael Roos, who's an atheist, said like, yeah, total depravity, that's the one thing the Christians definitely got right.

01:01:26.000 You just look at human nature.

01:01:28.000 The social contract is what actually keeps society together.

01:01:32.000 In a lot of ways, yeah.

01:01:33.000 And it's, you know, facial, when we see each other's faces, we do have more empathy for each other because, you know, we are a tribal species.

01:01:40.000 We have to work together.

01:01:42.000 And when you see someone else making facial expressions, you do relate better.

01:01:46.000 When you're behind a screen and you don't see that, that's when the dark, selfish nature does start to come out.

01:01:51.000 I've been pretty good at holding that back.

01:01:53.000 Real quick, Ian, that's exactly why.

01:01:55.000 Tim has people come to the studio and we don't do Zoom calls and stuff.

01:01:58.000 Sorry, go ahead.

01:02:00.000 I've been good about holding back the vitriol via text, firstly, because there's no tone you don't get.

01:02:05.000 If I'm being slightly sarcastic, you may not see why I'm saying it.

01:02:09.000 So I haven't been deriding people in text anymore for the last 10 years.

01:02:13.000 Maybe on video, maybe I'll go on, but even then it's behind.

01:02:15.000 But when I'm gaming, if I'm playing an online game, sometimes...

01:02:19.000 Anger.

01:02:19.000 If the guy, it's a pickup game, it's like a five-on-five, and one of my teammates just is terrible, I'll find myself seeing some pretty horrible stuff to him.

01:02:27.000 And then I think later, like, that could have been a nine-year-old, a 12-year-old.

01:02:30.000 And I just ruined the next 20 years of his life because I made him question his own humanity.

01:02:36.000 And, like, is he really a good person?

01:02:38.000 Does he have a good, does he not have a father in the house?

01:02:40.000 And I'll just, like, go with these sometimes.

01:02:42.000 And I'm like, I've got to stop that hate from coming out of me.

01:02:46.000 At those moments, when it's the easiest, you gotta—I don't know, man, I don't know, but it's in me.

01:02:52.000 It's obviously in me if it comes out like that.

01:02:54.000 Yeah, it's us humans.

01:02:56.000 I mean, like, you go back, you study human history, like, before the rise of Christianity.

01:03:00.000 I mean, we are evil.

01:03:02.000 I mean, like, you would attack a town and you'd send—the soldiers, you're not paying them.

01:03:06.000 They're getting plunder.

01:03:08.000 So when you attack a city and you actually win, the women, the children— They become your slaves.

01:03:14.000 You can do what you want with them.

01:03:15.000 Yes, the children, too.

01:03:16.000 You get to plunder.

01:03:17.000 That's how you paid your soldiers.

01:03:19.000 And that was human nature for the longest time until, I mean, like, as Tom Holland and others have talked about, you know, like, for example, if you read, like, the book, like, Christian Virtue Ethics, or When Children Became People by Owen Bakke, I mean, like, Christianity is really...

01:03:34.000 We've added something into the mix that has really calmed us down and given us a far better view of ethics.

01:03:40.000 Human rights comes out of the Christian tradition.

01:03:43.000 Abolition comes out.

01:03:44.000 And this idea that if we're going to attack like Iraq, we're not going to send our soldiers into plunder.

01:03:49.000 The Romans would have looked at us like we were stupid.

01:03:51.000 Why would you not plunder Iraq?

01:03:54.000 But yeah, we don't know how far we've come, and it's really unfortunate.

01:03:58.000 We still got a long way to go.

01:04:01.000 But I mean, like, you study the ancient world, it will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

01:04:05.000 Why don't you expand on that a little bit?

01:04:06.000 Because I think that people, especially young people today, again, I think we touched on it a little bit earlier, young people today really look at the United States and Western society.

01:04:17.000 They look at it as this total evil because it engaged in slavery, right?

01:04:26.000 It might be...

01:04:27.000 Part of me thinks that it's just like I'm mad at dad.

01:04:30.000 But yeah, the idea that Western society is unique and this time of peace that we're living in is anomalous.

01:04:40.000 It is.

01:04:41.000 And I think that it would do well to teach kids how reality is.

01:04:49.000 And reality is brutal and...

01:04:51.000 Life is full of pain.

01:04:53.000 It's short.

01:04:55.000 Death is imminent for everybody.

01:04:57.000 And the fact that you have any peace at all in your entire life is actually the rare, wonderful, fortunate thing that Western society in particular has provided for the world.

01:05:10.000 Well, if you go back to the ancient world, just look at how they treated children.

01:05:13.000 I mean infanticide was rampant.

01:05:15.000 There's like a letter from one Egyptian father – husband to his wife said, by the way, if it's a girl, just kill it because that was normal in the ancient world to just commit infanticide through exposure, especially deformed infants or weak children like Seneca talks about that.

01:05:31.000 And so like, yeah, we can look back at like surveys of like ancient families and like only like a – Six out of like 600. Owen Bakke talks about this in his book, When Children Became People.

01:05:41.000 Only six out of 600 had more than one girl in the family.

01:05:44.000 Well, why?

01:05:45.000 Well, because infanticide was rampant and boys were more prized because they could take care of the family.

01:05:50.000 They would be – they're first-class citizens and girls were second-class citizens.

01:05:55.000 And so they did that.

01:05:56.000 And there they leave.

01:05:57.000 Kids out on the countryside have them exposed.

01:05:59.000 Now, a lot of them survived, so they could be raised as slaves or in brothels.

01:06:03.000 I mean children to the ancient Greeks and Romans were used for sexual purposes.

01:06:08.000 What happens?

01:06:10.000 The Christians come on the scene, and John Martins talks about this in his chapter, Children in Late – or yeah, Children in Late Ancient Christianity.

01:06:16.000 Christians invented a whole new word to describe it because they refused to use the term child lover.

01:06:21.000 They invented a new word called child corrupter.

01:06:23.000 That's a rhetorical to say, like, you can't be doing this.

01:06:26.000 And so they really pushed ethics forward.

01:06:28.000 Children need to be protected.

01:06:30.000 They invented – When did that idea – what was the spawn of that idea?

01:06:34.000 Because – Here, again, we grew up steeped in Christianity, and to us, the idea of abusing a child like that, we think of it as abuse.

01:06:42.000 And it makes a gut reaction in most people, and the people that don't have that gut reaction, they are looked at and they are treated as some of the most horrible monsters that...

01:06:56.000 I mean, you put a pedophile into prison and word gets out, and they're going to end up dead.

01:07:01.000 And that's in a prison with some of the worst, most violent people our society produces.

01:07:08.000 So how did that...

01:07:09.000 What was the genesis of that?

01:07:10.000 Judeo-Christian tradition, especially Jesus saying, you know, let the little ones come to me.

01:07:15.000 Anyone who causes one of these little ones to sin, let a millstone be tied around their neck and cast into the sea.

01:07:20.000 That kind of language.

01:07:21.000 I mean, really, the Jews prior to the Christians were preaching to protect children.

01:07:26.000 Then the Christians come on and they really expanded it, working on what Jesus and Paul taught.

01:07:30.000 We know that the early Christians were including children and they were baptizing them, including them in communion.

01:07:35.000 They were full members of the community.

01:07:36.000 The Romans and the Greek looked at them as like becoming adults, like they weren't full adults yet or they weren't full people yet.

01:07:43.000 Aristotle talks about them being like less rational along with barbarians, women, and slaves.

01:07:48.000 There was a hierarchy, and Christians come on the scene.

01:07:50.000 They go, no, everyone here is the image of God.

01:07:53.000 They should have specific rights.

01:07:55.000 That's something that also develops out of the Christian tradition, and they slowly start to change the culture.

01:08:00.000 It took a while for sure.

01:08:02.000 I mean you still had infanticide in the Middle Ages because even though the church was condemning it, it took a while to saturate the culture that Tom Holland talks about.

01:08:09.000 But the reason why we think these kinds of things, that slavery is wrong, that human rights exist, that humanity has intrinsic value and that children should be cared for, this comes out of the Christian tradition.

01:08:20.000 In the ancient world, they were – Beat routinely.

01:08:23.000 They were turned into sex slaves as children, boys and girls.

01:08:27.000 It's, again, horrifying to read.

01:08:29.000 And again, slavery was just the norm.

01:08:32.000 No one ever questioned the idea that slavery should be abolished until the Christians came on the scene.

01:08:37.000 The first one to say slavery should be abolished was Gregory of Nyssa working on what he was learning in the scriptures and reading Paul in Genesis.

01:08:43.000 And that slowly began to change.

01:08:45.000 What was that?

01:08:46.000 When was that?

01:08:47.000 I believe it was in the 300s as Gregory of Nyssa was around.

01:08:50.000 Yeah.

01:08:50.000 Okay.

01:08:50.000 And the wider culture did ignore him for a while, but you start to see throughout the Christian tradition them slowly moving to end slavery that by the time you get to, like, St. Ansem, like, it's...

01:09:01.000 Sort of getting abolished from Europe in a lot of places.

01:09:04.000 And so then the Europeans later on going, well, we're not allowed to enslave Christians.

01:09:07.000 We know that's wrong.

01:09:08.000 Let's go elsewhere to enslave people.

01:09:10.000 And that's how you get the transatlantic slave trade.

01:09:12.000 And then the funny thing is, is if you read about the transatlantic slave trade, a lot of the plantation owners were trying to keep their slaves away from missionaries.

01:09:20.000 Because if the missionaries come in, they're going to evangelize these slaves and turn them in to Christians, and then we'll have to free them.

01:09:26.000 And so they were like, you know, a lot of the Quakers were like being oppressed in the Sugar Island.

01:09:31.000 Because they were trying to evangelize, and like, no, you can't do that because we need slaves.

01:09:35.000 Human nature has always been butting up against the Christian tradition, and Christian tradition has been trying to move humanity slowly but surely in a much better direction.

01:09:44.000 You can read about that in Catherine Gerbner's book, Christian Slavery.

01:09:48.000 It's a very interesting history of the Sugar Island stuff.

01:09:51.000 Did the Jews take slaves in the early days?

01:09:53.000 They did, and then early – sometime in the first millennium, a lot of the popes started to outlaw Jews owning Christians as slaves, and then they started outlawing Muslims or Christians being sold to Muslims.

01:10:02.000 And then you saw slow reforms happening.

01:10:05.000 Like slowly they're like, okay, no more slavery here, but we'll allow it here still.

01:10:10.000 So yeah, you saw – I think one of the popes in one of the 600 or 700s said no more Jews owning slaves and no more owning – and then one pope came along and he attacked the Venetian slave trade.

01:10:21.000 He said no more selling slaves.

01:10:22.000 By the way, he bought all the slaves and then freed them.

01:10:25.000 And then even Isabella of Spain did some horrible things, but she also outlawed enslaving Native Americans unless they were hostile or cannibals.

01:10:33.000 So again, we saw slow reforms moving us by the time the abolitionist movement comes along.

01:10:37.000 Yeah, it was deep in this Christian tradition that there's something wrong here.

01:10:42.000 And you can see it in the scriptures.

01:10:43.000 Go to Ephesians 6 where Paul says – everyone quotes that.

01:10:46.000 Slave masters or slaves obey your masters.

01:10:49.000 But no one quotes right after that in Ephesians 6 where Paul says, and masters do likewise to your slaves.

01:10:55.000 So he doesn't outright say slavery should be wrong, but he undercuts any sort of reason for slavery to exist.

01:11:00.000 If masters need to do exactly to their slaves as slaves are doing, there's no institution of slavery at that point.

01:11:07.000 So the Christian values slowly start to undercut it, and this is why Tom Holland says Christianity was like a depth charge.

01:11:13.000 It took a while for these explosions to go off and spread.

01:11:16.000 At the end of the 1800s, we had what was called the men who made America, the robber barons, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Rockefeller.

01:11:25.000 And they basically, I don't know if they particularly, but they would have underpaid workers and they would pay them in script sometimes, like company currency, and they could only buy products.

01:11:35.000 They basically created a slave class of workers.

01:11:37.000 They weren't called slaves because they were getting paid something.

01:11:40.000 Right.

01:11:41.000 But was that kind of like...

01:11:45.000 Because that was, like, post-slavery.

01:11:47.000 Slavery had already become illegal.

01:11:48.000 But is it now, like, do people just kind of justify slavery, like, if we're going to pay them something?

01:11:53.000 Like, the guy's digging cobalt out of the sub-Saharan African mines or wherever they're with their bare hands, like, breathing in the toxic fumes.

01:12:00.000 And we're like, that's fine because they're getting paid something.

01:12:03.000 Yeah, we try to justify it like that.

01:12:05.000 I mean, but Robert Fogel wrote a great book called, like, The Fourth Great Awakening, where he just talks about how...

01:12:10.000 In America, there's been not one, two, but four awakenings.

01:12:13.000 And the Third Great Awakening was addressing what you were talking about, this idea that it's kind of like slavery, but we're not calling it, and we need more social reform to fix this kind of stuff.

01:12:24.000 So there was a lot of push in the Third Great Awakening for the social gospel to go out and try to fight that kind of stuff, end child labor and that kind of stuff, because we as humans just tend to try to...

01:12:35.000 Act in selfish ways where it's all about us.

01:12:37.000 What sort of money can I get?

01:12:38.000 What sort of greed can I get for me?

01:12:40.000 And I don't really care who I oppress, and I'll justify it in whatever way I can.

01:12:43.000 That's unfortunately human nature that once again is constantly fighting with the gospel.

01:12:48.000 So I want to jump back to some of the stuff that we were talking about earlier when it comes to the way the...

01:12:55.000 The left had been behaving leading up to January 6th.

01:12:59.000 Benny Johnson has this tweet, Breaking Hakeem Jeffries just called for violence against President Trump's agenda, pushing for fighting in the streets.

01:13:06.000 We are going to fight legislatively, we are going to fight it in the courts, and we're going to fight it in the streets.

01:13:11.000 Let's listen.

01:13:12.000 We are going to fight it legislatively, we are going to fight it in the courts, and we're going to fight it in the streets.

01:13:22.000 We are going to fight it.

01:13:24.000 I don't think that there's any ambiguity in that.

01:13:29.000 Like, there's nothing ambiguous about that.

01:13:32.000 And if it were, again, this is the intended double standard, but if it were any Republican saying that, the reaction would be, you know, absolute They would be apoplectic.

01:13:49.000 They criticized fight, fight, fight after he was almost assassinated.

01:13:52.000 Yeah, and trying to make it as if Trump wasn't the victim of the attack, but Trump was looking to victimize people.

01:14:04.000 And yet, here's the Democrats, you know, Hakeem Jeffries, who I don't think he's the leader of the...

01:14:12.000 House Democrats?

01:14:14.000 I'm not sure.

01:14:14.000 Was it you that were saying you think he's considered the future of the party?

01:14:17.000 No, that's Ricky Torres.

01:14:18.000 Ricky Torres, who's...

01:14:23.000 I mean, we see this, like, how often does Maxine Waters speak where she says something that's inflammatory?

01:14:34.000 Every time.

01:14:34.000 Literally every time she opens her mouth.

01:14:35.000 And that's the back and forth you have to be willing to have with people whenever they want to call out what they consider to be political violence or political posturing is that they consider it to be political violence from one side.

01:14:47.000 But from the other side, it's to be taken as some type of avant-garde, off-the-cuff response that doesn't actually mean what you think it means.

01:14:54.000 They're telling you to not believe what you see with your own line of eyes.

01:14:57.000 Yeah, and Hakeem Jeffries is the leader of the – he's the minority leader of the House of Representatives.

01:15:03.000 So, you know, he's in a position of authority.

01:15:06.000 Was he taking questions there?

01:15:08.000 I don't know.

01:15:08.000 It would be interesting to know if somebody there, you know, if there was a journalist who actually wanted to ask a question, like, sir, could you quantify what you mean by, like, I get what you say legislatively.

01:15:18.000 I get what you're saying.

01:15:19.000 What do you mean by fight it in the streets?

01:15:21.000 Honestly, I mean, I wish that I were influential enough where I could make phone calls to other news outlets and be like, hey, hold these Democrats' feet to the fire.

01:15:33.000 This kind of rhetoric, if the right doesn't push on it and doesn't try to bring the same kind of consequences on the left...

01:15:46.000 As would be brought on the right, and if we don't make us think about it, then it's going to continue.

01:15:52.000 I mean, I would love to see, I would love to hear Donald Trump, you know, make a statement about this.

01:15:57.000 What did you mean by this?

01:15:58.000 Yeah, what exactly do you mean by this?

01:16:00.000 Because...

01:16:01.000 You know, as the minority leader of the House of Representatives, you're the top dog for the Democrats in the House.

01:16:07.000 And granted, the House is kind of where the clown show happens, right?

01:16:11.000 The Senate is more the serious body, and the House, you get people doing a little more wacky stuff.

01:16:16.000 Hey, hey, they're both clown shows.

01:16:18.000 It's the government.

01:16:19.000 The Senate thinks of themselves as the serious ones, whereas the House doesn't think of themselves as so serious.

01:16:27.000 They're like Cirque du Soleil.

01:16:29.000 Fair enough.

01:16:30.000 Sophisticated clown shit.

01:16:31.000 Yeah, right.

01:16:32.000 But I mean, I do think that it's worth – it would be worth having the right push on these things because until it's made clear that this is unacceptable, you're only going to get more of it.

01:16:44.000 I would say at some point, though, someone needs to take the high road.

01:16:49.000 And I totally call out the double standard here because Trump definitely said fight, fight, fight after, and people in the media tried to misinterpret that.

01:16:59.000 I just really think at some point it'd be really good to see one side go, we don't want to play the game you're playing.

01:17:08.000 So this is obviously just rhetoric.

01:17:11.000 Can you do the same for us?

01:17:12.000 Republicans do that all the time and it never works.

01:17:15.000 I think that not looking to the DOJ to bring charges is actually taking the high road because that's the kind of response that you get from the Democrats.

01:17:26.000 They go straight to lawfare.

01:17:29.000 Honestly, at this point, anything that the Republicans do that is short of...

01:17:34.000 Actually using the levers of government power to attack their political opponents is the measured response.

01:17:41.000 There's someone who's, again, just not really talking about politics that lot.

01:17:45.000 If I would see, like, Republicans going on about this in my home, I'd just start rolling my eyes.

01:17:50.000 Get to work.

01:17:51.000 I don't care what they said.

01:17:53.000 Like, just get back to getting stuff done.

01:17:55.000 Because at the end of the day, the Republicans and the Democrats are trying to earn the vote of the American people.

01:18:00.000 So I hope the Republicans just sort of look at this and go, okay.

01:18:04.000 Clowns, whatever.

01:18:04.000 That's how we think of them.

01:18:06.000 But let's get back to working, and that will impress average Americans far more.

01:18:09.000 I think that speaks to the difference between people on the right and people on the left in the U.S. today, the conservatives and progressives.

01:18:18.000 And I think I said this earlier, but I don't believe in the blank slate.

01:18:21.000 I don't believe that people are only created by the conditions.

01:18:26.000 I completely reject that idea.

01:18:29.000 I believe that people have a temperament.

01:18:31.000 People have emotional reactions that are going to be different from one person to another.

01:18:35.000 I think that your political bent is largely a result of your temperament and stuff.

01:18:42.000 And I think that Jonathan Haidt's work, I think it's called The Righteous Mind, is the book.

01:18:47.000 Righteous Mind, yeah.

01:18:48.000 Righteous Mind is the book that he did.

01:18:50.000 The different personality traits that he sees in the left, care versus harm, justice versus care.

01:19:00.000 I forget what they were.

01:19:01.000 But the point that I'm making is the people that are conservatives, they're going to agree with you and they're going to say, get to work.

01:19:09.000 And that's why.

01:19:11.000 Or part of why Republicans and conservatives don't do that kind of stuff and attack this stuff so viciously because it would actually turn off their base.

01:19:20.000 Whereas when it comes to Democrats and the progressives, they really do.

01:19:25.000 They actually believe these things.

01:19:27.000 I do think a good percentage of the Democrats...

01:19:30.000 Believe Trump's a fascist.

01:19:32.000 You can show them evidence, you can show them all the evidence you want, but in their heart, they believe that he would do the things that Hitler would do if he was given the chance.

01:19:42.000 They believe it totally.

01:19:44.000 And I see it regularly with the Democrat kind of operatives on X. There are some that obviously are doing it just for money, but there are a handful that they're...

01:19:58.000 Buying it.

01:19:59.000 They believe everything they're saying.

01:20:02.000 There's a couple that come to mind that I'm not going to name because I don't want to promote them.

01:20:05.000 Also, ignore the politicians for a second.

01:20:08.000 If the media was doing its job, people who are politically motivated, people who are either in government or the ones that are already politically partisan, meaning those who are already considered a Republican or a Democrat.

01:20:20.000 Sure, fine.

01:20:20.000 Maybe the Republicans shouldn't be, you know, in the eyes of some Republicans, they shouldn't be wasting their time going after something that they believe to be just something that was misspoken, right?

01:20:29.000 But it's the media's job, and unbiased media should be doing their job to at least ask this guy, what did you mean by that?

01:20:35.000 And one thing this country could do if they wanted to actually heal the divide a little bit is if both sides of the aisle, if we were in a world where there wasn't as politically partisan of a news...

01:20:45.000 Of news networks, as we have now, is if MSNBC was willing to ask him a question, what did you mean by that, and then print his answer, or CNN, ask him a question like that and print his answer.

01:20:55.000 And if both sides did that to their own parties and held them accountable, it is possible that you wouldn't see the divide in the way where now, anytime somebody cites an article for something in the news, whether it's pro-Trump, they say, well, that was just from Fox News.

01:21:09.000 That was from Newsmax.

01:21:10.000 I disregard it because your news is biased and it doesn't matter.

01:21:15.000 CNN asked a couple of questions of people that were Democrats.

01:21:18.000 It might engage people to start asking those questions from both sides and get people a little bit more in the middle, but they're not going to do that.

01:21:27.000 Yeah, I think that there's a lot of substance to what you're saying, and I think that I wish that you could see, or you would see, you know, outlets like MSNBC and CNN. I think it's possible with CNN. I don't think it's possible with MSNBC. MSNBC has picked their lane.

01:21:42.000 Too far gone?

01:21:42.000 Yeah, well, they've picked their lane.

01:21:43.000 They may not have a huge viewership, but they have a viewership that they have to cater to, and I don't think they're going to change that.

01:21:51.000 I have seen plenty of far-left people on X who call CNN a pro.

01:21:56.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

01:22:01.000 It's run by David Zaslav over there at Warner Brothers Discovery, and they really hate him.

01:22:09.000 He's kind of the Trump of the media world.

01:22:12.000 They really, really despise him.

01:22:13.000 So there are definitely people that actually believe that CNN is somehow a pro-Trump network.

01:22:18.000 I'm going to jump to this story here.

01:22:20.000 Ex-Federal Reserve advisor, the Washington Post reports, ex-Federal Reserve advisor indicted on charge of economic espionage.

01:22:28.000 A former senior advisor to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors was arrested Friday and accused of leaking inside information from the Fed to the Chinese government over a period of several years.

01:22:38.000 At one point receiving a $450,000 payment, then lying about it to Fed investigators.

01:22:44.000 Economist John Harold Rogers, 63, of Vienna, Virginia, worked in the Division of International Finance of the Fed from 2010 until 2021, according to an indictment unsealed Friday in federal court in the district.

01:22:54.000 Last year, he told a podcaster that he'd retired from the Fed in May 2021, approximately a year after he had been questioned by investigators for the Fed's inspector general and allegedly lied about how he accessed and transmitted sensitive information to two unnamed Chinese co-conspirators.

01:23:09.000 Do you guys think that there is any level or bureaucracy in our government that is not infiltrated by China?

01:23:18.000 What was the name of the...

01:23:19.000 What was the name of the...

01:23:21.000 Federal Reserve advisor?

01:23:22.000 Yeah, what was the name of his position?

01:23:24.000 He was a senior advisor to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

01:23:28.000 It was the department of what?

01:23:31.000 Let's see.

01:23:32.000 Worked in the Division of International Finance.

01:23:34.000 I just imagine that there's so much dark money and bad stuff going on there.

01:23:41.000 Yeah, to answer your question, Phil, you'd have to define the word infiltrated exactly because if they, maybe they just talked to some Chinese guy on the phone, I think they've all been connected to the Chinese.

01:23:53.000 In some way.

01:23:54.000 Every layer of our government, I think, is connected to the Chinese in some way.

01:23:57.000 But it's just such a vague...

01:23:58.000 Like, the thing is, if a guy has a private company in China, he's a Chinese government agent.

01:24:02.000 Because the way the CCP... Yeah.

01:24:04.000 There are tentacles in every private company in the country.

01:24:07.000 So, like, any business at all with any Chinese company, you're connected to the CCP. Yeah.

01:24:14.000 Has anybody asked Eric Swalwell what he thinks of this?

01:24:19.000 Zing.

01:24:19.000 I don't know, but it's a real heavy assumption to think that every government agency has some sort of infiltration.

01:24:25.000 I don't think that it's all that heavy.

01:24:26.000 I think it's a big...

01:24:28.000 It would be too much to say everybody, right?

01:24:33.000 But I think that at least the bureaucracies that...

01:24:45.000 I think it's reasonable to say that China has, you know, has at least some kind of relationship with people, whether knowing or unknowing, because there are people that...

01:24:56.000 That end up doing spy stuff for other countries without realizing they're doing it.

01:25:01.000 If you talk to Swalwell, talking to the Chinese spy, he didn't know that he was talking to a Chinese spy.

01:25:10.000 But Fang Fang, she was telling him the things that he wanted to hear.

01:25:16.000 And I'm sure that that happens plenty.

01:25:19.000 Whether some guy that...

01:25:22.000 That likes Chinese women and some Chinese woman is like, oh, you know, blah, blah, blah, talking to him.

01:25:27.000 And pillow talk will end up, you know, exposing a lot of information.

01:25:32.000 And I think that that kind of stuff, that kind of espionage is probably more common than, hey, here's a bunch of money, get me information.

01:25:41.000 But I do think that it's probably very common.

01:25:43.000 And I think that the United States, it's possible that, you know, previous administrations had looked the other way.

01:25:52.000 Not hunted down leads and stuff.

01:25:54.000 I mean, there was plenty of evidence that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden had dealings with Chinese companies, and there's no reason to think that they weren't, you know, giving information to the Chinese government.

01:26:08.000 Again...

01:26:09.000 Knowingly or unknowingly, because who knows what Hunter Biden was...

01:26:13.000 If Hunter Biden goes to China, you know they're loading him up with coke and hookers and he's running his face and you know that they're filming and recording everything.

01:26:23.000 You know it!

01:26:26.000 I don't think that it's a ridiculous thing to say, hey, there's every level of our government to some degree has been compromised.

01:26:35.000 I think that...

01:26:37.000 I'm not sure how you would clean it out and make sure, you know, how the Trump administration would come in and make sure that it's cleaned up to the best of their ability.

01:26:45.000 But I do think that it's reasonable to say, hey, we need to take care of this.

01:26:49.000 If I'm, I'm still, sometimes I'll be dating.

01:26:51.000 And if I meet a girl that's Chinese from China.

01:26:55.000 That goes through my mind.

01:26:56.000 I'm like, dude, she's got connections to the CCP. I can't date this girl, which is horrific.

01:27:00.000 Crushing hearts for Chinese women everywhere.

01:27:02.000 I'm so glad I got married years ago.

01:27:04.000 I don't have to worry about any of that.

01:27:05.000 Was she Chinese?

01:27:07.000 No, no.

01:27:08.000 I think you'll be okay.

01:27:09.000 Okay.

01:27:10.000 I think China is trying to grab a lot of power before it's too late because they got a huge population crisis.

01:27:16.000 I mean, infanticide was rampant for years and they sent a lot of girls into the wilderness and now they've got to...

01:27:22.000 An aging population, a lot of boys that can't find women, and I think they see the writing on the wall, so I think they're just trying to grab as much power as they can right now before it's too late.

01:27:31.000 What do you think the chances of some kind of political upheaval in China, how realistic are that, or is that because...

01:27:37.000 I mean, it's an old saying that too big of a young male population with nothing to do is a recipe for a disaster for a society.

01:27:47.000 How bad do you think the situation is in China?

01:27:51.000 Obviously, China has significant controls over their population and the information that gets out, but do you have a sense of what kind of situation is going on in China, or is it just kind of your gut instinct because of stuff that you've read in the news?

01:28:05.000 It's going to be a lot of my gut instinct.

01:28:07.000 I'm not like an expert on this, but first of all, let's remember Trump's in the White House, so it's pronounced China, okay?

01:28:12.000 That's how it's pronounced.

01:28:13.000 It's a huge nation over there.

01:28:16.000 So, I mean, I think you can never really predict because a lot of like East, Far Eastern people are going to have a far different culture where...

01:28:25.000 A lot of people in the West, we want to stand out.

01:28:27.000 We want to be unique.

01:28:28.000 It's the exact opposite mentality over there.

01:28:30.000 Like they want to sort of just blend into the crowd.

01:28:33.000 There's a lot more collectivist thinking than individualist thinking in the West.

01:28:37.000 So I think a lot of the assumptions or intuitions we would have are just completely wrong on how they're going to react.

01:28:42.000 I think they would rebel if they're not – if they're running low on food, if they come – But until that kind of thing happens, I think they're just going to try to continue with their cultural norm of trying to stay in the crowd, not create too much fuss, because that's very much the mindset of collectivist cultures, whereas we in the West, we're very individualistic.

01:29:03.000 We want to stand out.

01:29:04.000 We want to cause a riot.

01:29:05.000 I don't think a lot of them are thinking that.

01:29:06.000 I think they're just sort of thinking is, how can I go along with what everything is happening and not get too much attention to myself?

01:29:13.000 So, you know, it's hard to say what's going to happen.

01:29:16.000 I would never have predicted.

01:29:17.000 Trump's first term or second term.

01:29:19.000 So, I mean, who knows what's going to happen over the last 20 years, next 20 years?

01:29:24.000 It could be anything.

01:29:25.000 I think my gut tells me they will take those young men and try to get Taiwan because you got to look at it from their perspective.

01:29:32.000 They're going to – they have this aging population that they're not having the birth rates up.

01:29:36.000 They need to replace people.

01:29:38.000 So they're going to have a declining economy over the next 100 years regardless.

01:29:42.000 So might as well try for once because either way, they're going to decline a little bit somehow.

01:29:46.000 So I think they're thinking of that.

01:29:48.000 So I guess we'll see, though.

01:29:50.000 I always hear that, and I think about the fact that, like, and I agree with you.

01:29:54.000 A lot of people don't realize the real situation on the ground in China.

01:29:56.000 They have no idea.

01:29:57.000 They don't even understand, like, the reality of being from a collectivist culture and how you view the world as being fundamentally different from, like, a Westerner or an individualistic standpoint.

01:30:05.000 But I also, and you're right, it would be a last chance to effort to, like, make this last-ditch attempt to take Taiwan.

01:30:13.000 But the problem that I see with it is that...

01:30:16.000 The only thing they really want for Taiwan would be, like, a propaganda victory.

01:30:20.000 The people they don't really need, there's more mouths to feed for China.

01:30:24.000 You're not really getting much.

01:30:25.000 You're just getting, like, TSMC's factories and fabrications that you can essentially build in a couple years' time, which is some, there is some stopgap time period to, like, some lead time to build these things up and have them.

01:30:35.000 But I just, I personally, I lived in Singapore in high school, so I'm not speaking from a little bit of an understanding of the region here.

01:30:41.000 I don't know if they're really going to do it because it doesn't seem like, like, Good point, yeah.

01:30:47.000 I mean, you could say, like, maybe for the legacy of She, because his zero COVID... Zero-COVID policy didn't really go anywhere.

01:30:55.000 It just caused China to slip years into the past.

01:30:59.000 Essentially, it's a real economic problem for them right now, on top of the one-child policy that it caused.

01:31:05.000 But I just don't see it happening.

01:31:07.000 I think there's just too much that they would lose from going to war.

01:31:12.000 Maybe it's a different value point, but I don't know what to make of that.

01:31:15.000 That's a good point.

01:31:16.000 Again, as I said, I have no clue what's going to happen.

01:31:20.000 They may just sort of...

01:31:22.000 Roll the dice on it.

01:31:24.000 I mean, but yeah, again, they're the collectivist culture.

01:31:27.000 They don't want to make too much of a fuss.

01:31:28.000 But I do think they're trying to grab as much power as they can right now in hopes that somehow they can deal with their declining population.

01:31:35.000 I think that's probably what they're trying to do right now.

01:31:37.000 And infiltrating the U.S. government would be one of those aspects.

01:31:40.000 I don't know how deep it is, though.

01:31:41.000 Who knows?

01:31:42.000 If the Americans were to take the Panama Canal, I think the Chinese would seize Taiwan and just be like, there you go.

01:31:49.000 And also, not only is it what they get, but it's what is being removed from the table, which would be basically a liberal economic imperial stronghold right off their coast, which they don't want.

01:32:00.000 It's like a British colony, essentially.

01:32:03.000 It's not really, but...

01:32:04.000 And they dealt with Hong Kong the same way, which was exactly the same thing.

01:32:07.000 And what happened with Hong Kong after those riots, what, five years ago?

01:32:10.000 It's just like radio silence on Hong Kong.

01:32:12.000 What's the situation there?

01:32:13.000 Well, it's China.

01:32:14.000 They just sped up the agreement.

01:32:16.000 They decided that we're not going to wait the whole 50 years we agreed to.

01:32:19.000 We're going to make it China tomorrow.

01:32:20.000 It seems like after the Tiananmen Square riot massacre, where the Chinese just shut down a potential revolt, it was like, what happened if the American Revolution failed?

01:32:30.000 Would there ever have been another one?

01:32:32.000 or would the British have just seized and clamped down?

01:32:35.000 And then like how long after 1776 would there have been the second American attempt at independence?

01:32:41.000 Considering the fact that Canada became its own country, Australia became its own country, New Zealand became its own country, and India, like the British stopped the colonial rule of India, I do think the United States would have become its own country.

01:32:55.000 It might have become its own kingdom because Canada is a kingdom of Britain.

01:32:58.000 Australia and New Zealand are all kingdoms.

01:33:00.000 King Charles is the monarch.

01:33:01.000 But India is not.

01:33:02.000 India is not.

01:33:03.000 India is a little bit different.

01:33:04.000 How it would have panned out, I don't know.

01:33:07.000 And also because of the...

01:33:08.000 Even if they'd have lost the revolution, the founders had lost the revolution, I think that the spirit in the United States of that kind of looking for independence was something that was in the...

01:33:19.000 In the colonies.

01:33:20.000 And I don't think that would have burnt out.

01:33:22.000 And I think that had there been a revolution that the Americans lost, I think whenever they actually did achieve their own independence, I think they would be looking back and saying, remember what the king did.

01:33:33.000 Remember what the king did.

01:33:34.000 We want to break ties with the king.

01:33:36.000 Now that you mention it, I wouldn't have been surprised if they had made the United States, it wouldn't be called that, but made this, whatever, its own kingdom, just like Canada.

01:33:45.000 And they're like, now you have your own.

01:33:47.000 Prime Minister and your own, you know, autonomy under the reign of our King.

01:33:52.000 Remember, it was 150, 150, 160 years between, or 140 maybe years between when the United States was formed and you actually got fast passage across the Atlantic.

01:34:06.000 Because even boats, it took a couple weeks to get across.

01:34:10.000 The Titanic and those class of liners, it wasn't like you could get across.

01:34:16.000 So the logistics of keeping a colony under control the way that England had, that was a tall order.

01:34:27.000 And so I think that the...

01:34:31.000 The revolution, even if the revolution had failed, I think that there quickly would have been some kind of second revolution and so on and so forth because the sense of indignation towards the king wouldn't have changed.

01:34:46.000 Maybe instead of being a couple years, it would have been a longer war.

01:34:54.000 I think it was kind of inevitable that the United States was going to become its own country.

01:34:58.000 I don't know what sparked the Tiananmen Square riots exactly, if it was dissatisfaction with the, not the emperor, the Chinese are no longer an emperor, but with the CCP, basically, there was dissatisfaction with the totalitarian government.

01:35:10.000 I don't know what, do you know what sparked the Tiananmen Square riots by any chance?

01:35:14.000 I don't know.

01:35:15.000 I mean, that's essentially it.

01:35:16.000 The students were saying that, like, this is ridiculous.

01:35:19.000 It was 1989, correct?

01:35:20.000 It was June 4, 1989.

01:35:22.000 And then the Chinese government, well, the CCP, you should say, because there's also the Republic of China that's the government.

01:35:27.000 They peacefully repressed the students.

01:35:29.000 Peacefully reorganized the students.

01:35:32.000 Meaning they slaughtered them all and put them all on indoctrination.

01:35:35.000 There was a lot of people that paid a heavy toll.

01:35:38.000 So whether or not that country will see another...

01:35:41.000 Attempted revolt like that.

01:35:42.000 Were they all...

01:35:43.000 Was that ideology erased?

01:35:45.000 If you know anything about China right now and you start seeing the stuff that they're doing now, a lot of Chinese people are freaking out about it.

01:35:49.000 But the problem is that there are also an equal number of people that have been so...

01:35:54.000 They've...

01:35:55.000 People always struggle with this.

01:35:57.000 It's hard to understand what it looks like from another man's shoes or from another man's perspective.

01:36:00.000 They've lived their entire life within the bubble of China and their idea that Zheng Guo, their center of the universe for them, is that they're like an American.

01:36:08.000 They think of their country as the best.

01:36:10.000 They're like China number one.

01:36:11.000 They literally think that.

01:36:13.000 The problem is there are going to be some people to see the injustice in it.

01:36:16.000 Some people don't view justice in the same Western mentality that we view justice.

01:36:20.000 They don't see it the same way that you or I do.

01:36:24.000 It's about the collective.

01:36:26.000 Yes, correct.

01:36:27.000 If you upset the collective.

01:36:28.000 I mean, this is why in Islam there's apostasy laws.

01:36:31.000 If you leave Islam, you don't have freedom of religion.

01:36:34.000 They want you dead because you cannot apostate from Islam because the collective overrules the individual in these collectivist cultures.

01:36:43.000 They'll have that kind of mentality.

01:36:45.000 The English had 500 years.

01:36:50.000 Before the revolution in the United States, or about 500 years, they made the king sign the Magna Carta.

01:36:55.000 And the Magna Carta was a big, big deal.

01:36:58.000 It established the rule of law, limited the king's power, guaranteed rights to barons, protected the rights of property and barons and stuff, established that all free citizens could own and inherit property.

01:37:10.000 These were all innovations.

01:37:11.000 These were all brand new ideas.

01:37:13.000 And so this tradition that the American...

01:37:16.000 The Englishmen in the colonies, because they all considered themselves Englishmen, right?

01:37:21.000 Even though they were Virginians and Massachusettsians and New Yorkers, they considered themselves English.

01:37:28.000 They all had that strong tradition of we're free men, that we have a king, but the king is not actually the totalitarian king that other societies had and other kings and other monarchies had.

01:37:42.000 The rights of the men of England, they had a lot of rights and because of the Magna Carta that kind of Self-ID, awareness of themselves, that was something that was expressed in the revolution here in the United States.

01:38:00.000 So to compare the United States or the U.S. Revolution and what came before it in England and English common law to China, it's really, really, really, really different stuff.

01:38:14.000 Because there's 500 years of...

01:38:18.000 Believing as Englishmen they had rights that came from God.

01:38:21.000 The Magna Carta is great.

01:38:22.000 It was King John.

01:38:23.000 I believe it was King John.

01:38:24.000 It was Richard's brother.

01:38:25.000 King Richard's brother.

01:38:26.000 King Richard the Lionheart was on crusade, yeah.

01:38:28.000 He died.

01:38:28.000 He drowned in a river.

01:38:29.000 So his brother, King John the alcoholic, was in charge.

01:38:31.000 And that was the guy, the king from Robin Hood, that Robin Hood was, you know, the sheriff.

01:38:35.000 The funny thing about him is that he's portrayed in Robin Hood as this great king.

01:38:38.000 But, like, at one point, like, on his way back from crusade, like, he gets captured by someone.

01:38:42.000 And they try to, like, say, like, we got your king.

01:38:44.000 Richard?

01:38:44.000 No, yeah, Richard III.

01:38:46.000 And the English nobles hated him so much they didn't even want to pay the ransom.

01:38:50.000 They were like, "No, thank you.

01:38:51.000 You can keep them," until someone convinced them, "All right, fine, we'll pay the ransom." Yeah.

01:38:56.000 I love Chinese history.

01:38:57.000 There's a book called The Romance of the Three Kingdoms that was written in, like, the 1400s by Liu Kangzhao, and it's basically a historical fiction about, like, the year 200 AD, where China split into these three kingdoms.

01:39:09.000 there was this revolt called the Yellow Turban Revolt and then all these local governors formed armies to fight this revolt and one of the governors seized the emperor and took control and was like, I'm ruling through the eight-year-old emperor now.

01:39:22.000 And It's a really great story.

01:39:25.000 They made Dynasty Warriors based off of it.

01:39:27.000 So I learned a lot about...

01:39:29.000 But the whole obsession and love of the Emperor, which has been throughout that country for thousands of years, is something different than what England...

01:39:38.000 England didn't even exist until 900 AD or whatever.

01:39:41.000 1066 is technically when they go back to William the Conqueror.

01:39:44.000 William the Conqueror?

01:39:45.000 Yeah.

01:39:45.000 We're going to go to Super Chats now.

01:39:47.000 We've been running our faces a little long, but that's okay.

01:39:50.000 Shane H. Wilder says...

01:39:52.000 I want to shout out my homie, Chris Burtman, and his wife.

01:39:55.000 They're about to have their baby.

01:39:57.000 Let's effing go.

01:39:58.000 The cult of Burt will live on.

01:40:00.000 Burtman.

01:40:01.000 Congratulations, Burt.

01:40:02.000 Hey, buddy.

01:40:04.000 He's a wonderful, wonderful guy, and here's to hoping that everything is smooth and they have a...

01:40:11.000 She has an easy birth, and we welcome the child into the TimCast world here.

01:40:17.000 Kelly says, it's clear that any GOP senator who votes against Bobby, Tulsi, or Cash will face a huge primary election challenge.

01:40:25.000 Nicole Shanahan, Scott Pressler, and Angela McArdle all have pledged to oust them.

01:40:29.000 I mean, I don't know if they're going to face a primary if they get confirmed.

01:40:39.000 But if one of them doesn't get confirmed because of dissent from one of the Republicans, then you might.

01:40:48.000 But when it comes to people like Collins or Murkowski, those districts are very...

01:40:55.000 They're not reliably red.

01:40:58.000 They're very purple districts.

01:40:59.000 So it would probably have to be someone that was like, hey, I'm dissenting because I don't think...

01:41:08.000 Personally, I think it's most likely that it would be Tulsi, and it would be someone from a red district that would say, oh, I think that she's actually somehow a spy, which is, on its face, ridiculous.

01:41:20.000 She's been a major in the National Guard for 20 years.

01:41:23.000 She's had five different background checks, and she's had a clearance the entire time.

01:41:27.000 If there was anything nefarious in her past, that...

01:41:32.000 Show was there.

01:41:33.000 It would have been found in the background checks.

01:41:35.000 She wouldn't be an officer, especially a major.

01:41:37.000 Like, that's a pretty high-level officer.

01:41:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:40.000 She picked up Lieutenant Colonel.

01:41:41.000 You're right.

01:41:41.000 My bad.

01:41:42.000 Lieutenant Colonel.

01:41:42.000 So, yes.

01:41:43.000 Thank you.

01:41:45.000 Yeah, that's a pretty high-level officer.

01:41:48.000 So, I don't think that there's anything there.

01:41:50.000 So, it's my opinion she should be confirmed.

01:41:53.000 But I do think that if it's...

01:41:56.000 If it ends up being someone like Murkowski or like Collins, probably not.

01:42:01.000 If it's McConnell, I don't think that there would be a primary challenger as well.

01:42:06.000 But I don't—do you guys have thoughts on— Well, all three of those, Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, and Kash Patel, I feel like if they don't get in, there could be someone that's put in that's way more partisan, way more dangerous.

01:42:18.000 Like, those guys are balanced, obsessed with constitutional law and doing things by the book.

01:42:24.000 You're not going to get much better than that across the board.

01:42:28.000 They might be flashy personalities, but you don't want some sycophant getting in there.

01:42:35.000 I think Kash Patel is going to get it probably pretty easily.

01:42:38.000 I think that he'll get the votes.

01:42:39.000 I think that it'll be the Democrats that don't like him.

01:42:42.000 And I think that the Democrats are going to, a lot of Democrats are going to vote against these people.

01:42:48.000 And I think that that is a problem.

01:42:52.000 Because anyone that's not a swamp monster, the Democrats are just against.

01:42:56.000 Like Marco Rubio, he was a senator, so they like their own people, so he got in smooth sailing.

01:43:02.000 99 to 1. Yeah, he got in with smooth sailing, but that was largely because he's a senator, and they don't like to insult their own.

01:43:11.000 It's a very small club.

01:43:12.000 There's only 100 of them at any one time, so they...

01:43:16.000 They're very much like, you know, our people are cool, other people aren't.

01:43:20.000 So I think that was a lot of why Marco Rubio.

01:43:22.000 And honestly, he is extremely qualified to do the job.

01:43:26.000 And he's not particularly MAGA. They don't conceptualize him as a MAGA guy.

01:43:33.000 Even though I do think that he's going to do the job that the president wants.

01:43:37.000 I think that he's going to be on President Trump's team.

01:43:41.000 He's not going to be like some of the previous...

01:43:45.000 Trump administration people.

01:43:47.000 But my sense is that it's going to be...

01:43:49.000 Like, Cash Patel will get through.

01:43:50.000 I don't know if I have...

01:43:52.000 I don't think that Bobby's going to have a lot of problem.

01:43:55.000 I think he'll get through as well.

01:43:56.000 But I think Tulsi might have a problem.

01:43:58.000 And I think that's a terrible development because I think that Tulsi...

01:44:01.000 Of all of them, Tulsi is the one that I think, you know, deserves it the most.

01:44:05.000 She should...

01:44:06.000 They put her under surveillance, you know?

01:44:09.000 So...

01:44:10.000 But, alright.

01:44:13.000 Perpetual Jonathan says, Finally, IP makes it.

01:44:17.000 I came across your work via the Drizzle David Wood years ago, and your series have been very thorough and informative.

01:44:30.000 Convert, Phil.

01:44:30.000 Well, I'm...

01:44:32.000 I follow you on X now, and I do a lot of listening to podcasts.

01:44:36.000 I have a long drive that I'm going to be—I'm driving to New Hampshire tonight, so I will be listening to your work.

01:44:41.000 What's the Dizzle David Woods?

01:44:43.000 The Dizzle—that's David Wood.

01:44:44.000 He is Islam's number one opponent.

01:44:47.000 I've been on his channel.

01:44:48.000 He's been on mine, and we go after Islam when he comes on.

01:44:51.000 He's a fun guy.

01:44:52.000 You guys should talk to him.

01:44:54.000 Thank you for the super chat.

01:44:56.000 I do a lot of stuff.

01:44:57.000 I just uploaded a six-hour supercut of all my videos on gospel reliability, just showing the gospels are extremely reliable documents.

01:45:04.000 Islam could benefit from a Reformation.

01:45:07.000 It's never had one before.

01:45:08.000 No.

01:45:08.000 Here's why.

01:45:10.000 Because if you go back and you just look at what the Prophet Muhammad was saying, I mean, like, you read the Hadiths, their violence.

01:45:16.000 I mean, you read, like, Sunnah Abu Daud.

01:45:18.000 I mean, like, there's one story that I was just talking with David Wood about today.

01:45:21.000 Like, there was a slave girl that was attacking Muhammad, and they killed her, and then they went to the Prophet, and he said, yeah, that's fine, because she was insulting me.

01:45:29.000 So, I mean, like, a lot of, like, there have been Reformation attempts in Islam.

01:45:34.000 It's called – they're called Salafis, and a lot of them actually get a little bit more radical and traditional.

01:45:40.000 It didn't – Islam didn't start like Christianity.

01:45:42.000 Christianity started with a guy, Jesus Christ, who was God incarnate.

01:45:48.000 He died for our sins.

01:45:49.000 He died the death of a criminal, lived the life of a pauper, and then his followers were called to go out and be persecuted to spread the gospel, and they were for hundreds of years until Constantine helped them.

01:46:00.000 But Islam started basically with – A warlord for the most part.

01:46:03.000 He comes out of Arabia.

01:46:05.000 Islam spreads.

01:46:06.000 They take over this area.

01:46:07.000 They turn the Christians and Jews into dimmies, you know, force them to pay this tax.

01:46:12.000 It started off completely different in how Christianity started.

01:46:16.000 And there's great books.

01:46:17.000 Like Tom Holland actually wrote a book called The Shadow of the Sword.

01:46:20.000 He goes into that in detail.

01:46:22.000 There's another great book called In God's Path.

01:46:24.000 Or they just talk about how Islam spread.

01:46:26.000 It was a lot of violence involved, far more than the foundations of Christianity.

01:46:30.000 Muhammad was an orphan, basically, in a Bedouin tribe.

01:46:36.000 And he lived the life of a warrior because they were being persecuted.

01:46:39.000 They had no other...

01:46:41.000 Option at that time, fight or die.

01:46:43.000 So he led an army to fight and then decided instead of killing you all in Mecca, I'm going to unify everyone under this concept of a god.

01:46:50.000 And so he sort of spread monotheism.

01:46:52.000 But I feel like if he had been born in a time of bounty, like we have now on Earth, that God would have spoke to him in different ways and ordered him to do different things.

01:47:01.000 Because it gives you different wisdom and direction depending on the situation.

01:47:07.000 Ian, let's go on to read some more Super Chats.

01:47:09.000 Okay, sorry.

01:47:10.000 No, no, it's fine, it's fine.

01:47:11.000 It's just that we got a bunch of Super Chats and this conversation is not a small conversation.

01:47:16.000 I could go on for hours.

01:47:18.000 So, no offense, no offense.

01:47:20.000 I apologize, Ian.

01:47:22.000 Let's see.

01:47:24.000 Justin Royer says, congrats on the album, Phil.

01:47:26.000 I've been jamming it all morning and it's absolutely killer.

01:47:28.000 It's about time we make guitar solos great again.

01:47:31.000 I tell you what, no one can guitar solo like Jason Richardson.

01:47:34.000 By the way, people are going to get the new album.

01:47:36.000 Where is it?

01:47:37.000 Where'd they get it?

01:47:37.000 You can get it on Spotify.

01:47:38.000 You can get it on Apple Music.

01:47:39.000 And if you want to order a physical copy, you can go to alltheremainsonline.com.

01:47:43.000 There's actual albums and stuff.

01:47:47.000 What's the name of the new album?

01:47:48.000 The album is called Anti-Fragile.

01:47:50.000 Anti-Fragile on Spotify?

01:47:51.000 On Spotify, yeah.

01:47:52.000 I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, is America under attack?

01:47:55.000 No, it's not.

01:47:57.000 You can chill out.

01:47:59.000 Let's see.

01:48:00.000 Wyatt Clayton Berg says, Phil, I think the anti-government right believes government is unnecessary because people are basically good, while the pro-government right, like me, believes we need government because people are basically bad.

01:48:12.000 My take.

01:48:13.000 My take is, I do think, I think that I'm in agreement with you, but that doesn't mean, but because people are bad, you can't allow a strong government big, powerful government.

01:48:28.000 So I agree, people are, You know, they're incentivized to take care of themselves and their family and their tribe first.

01:48:36.000 But because of that, that's actually an argument against big government as much as it is an argument for big government.

01:48:43.000 So, I agree with you in principle, but I don't think the solution is big government.

01:48:49.000 I think the solution is localized government.

01:48:52.000 So, let's see.

01:48:57.000 General Cale says, if they were willing to use a virus last time, imagine what's in store this time around.

01:49:04.000 They.

01:49:04.000 Who are they, though?

01:49:06.000 They're the guys in the black cloaks that hang out in the basement in Europe somewhere.

01:49:10.000 Yeah.

01:49:11.000 Well, I mean, look, historically, there's been a lot of things like famine and food restrictions, and that was what was being proposed in England.

01:49:21.000 So, I mean, I think that we can actually imagine what...

01:49:24.000 Would be on the table if governments are allowed to run rampant.

01:49:31.000 So, let's see here.

01:49:34.000 John Sola says, New ATR album is fire.

01:49:37.000 Feels like an early aughts New England metal and hardcore fest.

01:49:40.000 I'm glad Jay Rich is carrying the torch for Ollie.

01:49:43.000 Ripped to a guitar legend in metal.

01:49:44.000 I tell you what, it is...

01:49:46.000 Jason's great.

01:49:46.000 He's awesome in person, too.

01:49:47.000 He's phenomenal.

01:49:48.000 He's a great guy.

01:49:50.000 It's bittersweet to think about Ollie.

01:49:52.000 This is the first record that we put out since Ollie passed away.

01:49:54.000 The last time we put out a record was 2018 and all.

01:49:56.000 That was the last record we did with Ollie.

01:49:59.000 And so this is, you know, it's kind of tough, but we're very proud of the record.

01:50:05.000 And I think we did Ollie proud.

01:50:08.000 So that's the sweet part of the bittersweet.

01:50:12.000 Let's see.

01:50:14.000 I'm not your buddy, Guy, says, I hope everyone watches the Piers Morgan interview of Tucker Carlson.

01:50:19.000 I agree that the one word which can sum up Western civilization is Christianity.

01:50:23.000 As Christianity declines, so too does the West.

01:50:26.000 I am very sympathetic to that idea.

01:50:29.000 I mean, I'm planning a bunch of videos this summer, like how Christianity ended slavery, how Christianity created human rights, how Christianity created science.

01:50:37.000 I did a video last year called How Christianity Changed the World, and I found all these studies that missionaries have just went out.

01:50:42.000 They increased literacy rates.

01:50:44.000 They built hospitals.

01:50:44.000 They actually created economic progress, places like India and China.

01:50:48.000 I mean, like, it's the lifeblood of the world, and we just don't realize it.

01:50:52.000 But yeah.

01:50:53.000 But here's the silver lining in all that.

01:50:56.000 As Christianity declines, we go to secularism, but secularists have abysmally bad birth rates.

01:51:00.000 And so sociologists like Eric Kaufman, who wrote Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth, says in about 100 years we're going to be right where we were because who's having all the kids?

01:51:09.000 Conservative Christians, and they're just going to just come back.

01:51:13.000 But now they're more polarized, so they're protecting their children more than they were in the 90s.

01:51:17.000 That's the argument that Tim actually makes a lot, that because the left is, you know, The left is embracing what some people would call debauchery and aborting their kids and not having kids and looking at themselves and saying, we're not going to have kids because we want to spend our money on us and looking at kids as a problem and such.

01:51:41.000 That eventually there's going to be a revival of religion here in the U.S. and that the right is ascendant because of that.

01:51:51.000 G.K. Chesterton said, I mean, Christianity has died many times.

01:51:54.000 It has a God that knows its way out of the grave.

01:51:56.000 So, we'll be back.

01:51:58.000 Don't you worry.

01:51:59.000 Awesome.

01:52:00.000 Let's see.

01:52:02.000 John Eddy says, read about my recovery from lymphoma and chemotherapy and share my story on Give, Send, Go, John Eddy.

01:52:10.000 Well, congratulations.

01:52:12.000 That is great to hear.

01:52:13.000 I love to hear people that beat cancer.

01:52:16.000 I lost my dad to cancer.

01:52:19.000 25 years ago now, so anyone that can beat that terrible, terrible disease, kudos to you, and here's to a long life.

01:52:27.000 In a parallel road, I just was having swelling lymph nodes the last few days, and I went in the sauna for like an hour, and when I came out, the swelling was gone.

01:52:36.000 It was just gone.

01:52:38.000 So I don't know if that has something to do with lymphoma, your lymph nodes, your lymphatic system, reducing acidity, who knows?

01:52:44.000 But it was pretty miraculous.

01:52:47.000 Congratulations, by the way.

01:52:49.000 From Timothy Curran says, Phil, I think I saw one of ATR's first shows at St. John's Gym in Clinton, Mass.

01:52:56.000 New album is excellent.

01:52:57.000 Equal parts pushing and inspiring what we needed these dark days.

01:53:01.000 Hope to catch you guys on tour soon.

01:53:03.000 Thank you very much.

01:53:04.000 It would have been one of our early shows, probably back in like maybe 2000, 2001, which is pre-release of our first record, back when we had no idea what we were doing at all.

01:53:15.000 We were terrible.

01:53:16.000 That's Father Timothy Curran, by the way.

01:53:19.000 Oh, Father Timothy Curran.

01:53:20.000 Thank you, Father.

01:53:20.000 I apologize, Father.

01:53:21.000 Thank you very much.

01:53:24.000 Let's see.

01:53:26.000 Michael McHenry says, Long time, first time, long time fan, first time, I guess super chatter.

01:53:32.000 Found out my wife's pregnant.

01:53:33.000 My third, her first.

01:53:35.000 Angelic woman who adopted my sons after their mother passed.

01:53:37.000 See y'all in eight months.

01:53:38.000 That is a beautiful story.

01:53:40.000 Congratulations.

01:53:41.000 Round of applause.

01:53:43.000 Round of applause.

01:53:43.000 And kudos to your wife.

01:53:46.000 And hopefully she has an easy birth.

01:53:49.000 And what a great woman to adopt your children and make a family out of those that lost their mom.

01:53:57.000 Let's see.

01:53:59.000 Yeah?

01:54:01.000 MF Damien says, do you think the right hollering DEI all the time will have the same boy who cried wolf effect that the left achieves screaming racism all the time?

01:54:09.000 I don't, and the reason I don't is because right now there is so much DEI in the government, it is unlikely to find, we are unlikely to find out that it's not.

01:54:21.000 If we were to compare it to the left screaming racism all the time, The left screams racism all the time when there's no racism.

01:54:32.000 Like, the left screamed racism about the George Floyd situation.

01:54:37.000 The left screamed racism and had most of your average normies thinking that 1,000 or 2,000 black men were murdered by police every year.

01:54:48.000 And it was like 12. You sound so racist right now.

01:54:52.000 That word has no effect on me anymore.

01:54:56.000 Like, I was getting it today.

01:54:57.000 I'm like, you run along with your magic spell.

01:55:00.000 But now, if you were comparing the DEI, the accusations of DEI, with the accusations of racism in the 60s, you might have a point.

01:55:09.000 Because there was a lot more racism, you know, before the Civil Rights Act.

01:55:12.000 And the Civil Rights Act, there was a lot of substance to the arguments being made that, hey, look, we're a racist society.

01:55:19.000 We need to end Jim Crow, etc., etc.

01:55:23.000 So I think that...

01:55:24.000 The context today, no, but if you were to compare it to the 60s, maybe.

01:55:29.000 I think that there's enough DEI going around.

01:55:32.000 I don't think there's enough racism going around to actually fill all the accusations.

01:55:36.000 I will say Phil has about 60% magic resist, so he is very resistant to magic in general.

01:55:42.000 It's pretty cool.

01:55:43.000 I am concerned about the DEI thing becoming a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation.

01:55:47.000 With this helicopter crash into the airplane, I've seen people on Twitter with large followings being like, DEI, they're saying it.

01:55:53.000 And that is, to me, hold back, bro.

01:55:56.000 But it's only when it appears in the government that it becomes a real Boy Who Cried Wolf.

01:56:00.000 If our Department of Defense was saying, it's because DEI, come on.

01:56:04.000 But no, they haven't been, so I'm not concerned like that.

01:56:08.000 Andre says, TCAS is not active at that altitude.

01:56:12.000 Blackhawk mistook the jet for another jet that was landing.

01:56:15.000 Hilo pilot wearing NVG2, no depth perception.

01:56:19.000 I mean, yeah, I don't know what TCAS is, but like I said, the...

01:56:27.000 There was a miscommunication.

01:56:29.000 I was under the impression there was a miscommunication with the tower.

01:56:32.000 And honestly, if they're wearing PVS-31s, I have 31s, and I know that they have an aviation version, but you can drive with PVS-31s.

01:56:43.000 Flying, though?

01:56:44.000 Brian was saying there's a lack of depth perception.

01:56:46.000 There is a lack of depth perception, but there's still...

01:56:49.000 You can tell size, and especially seeing as the wingspan...

01:56:53.000 I don't know.

01:56:55.000 Maybe.

01:56:57.000 So, but thanks for the super chat.

01:56:58.000 Andrew Ho says, the aircraft have traffic collision avoidance systems.

01:57:05.000 Thank you very much.

01:57:05.000 It's a verbal warning traffic with the distance and which direction to maneuver to.

01:57:09.000 Was that not working on either aircraft?

01:57:11.000 I don't know.

01:57:12.000 know I guess we're gonna have to wait until until we hear more from the NTSB and all of that Crowag says Brett what are your thoughts of Stargate partnership with the Pentagon for nuclear projects considering the plot points of Terminator and war games I have no thoughts on it I I do think that everybody should rewatch Terminator 1, though, because it's an underrated film.

01:57:35.000 As good as Terminator 2 is, Terminator 1 is just as good.

01:57:38.000 You think it's underrated?

01:57:39.000 I do.

01:57:40.000 Terminator.

01:57:41.000 All of the attention comes to Terminator 2. I think Terminator 1 is a vastly different movie.

01:57:45.000 It's basically a horror movie.

01:57:46.000 And it's fantastic.

01:57:48.000 The music of that film, the score of that film gets stuck in my head.

01:57:52.000 Like, if I'm sick, I have fever dreams that involve that movie.

01:57:55.000 I am completely in agreement with you about the quality of the movie.

01:58:00.000 Especially for its time, it was absolutely terrifying.

01:58:03.000 And it was a brilliant...

01:58:05.000 Brilliant movie.

01:58:06.000 I love it to death, but maybe it's because I'm older than you.

01:58:10.000 I didn't get the sense that it was underrated.

01:58:12.000 I guess underrated now is because when it's referenced in pop culture, most people reference Terminator 2 as one of the few movies that outdid its predecessor.

01:58:21.000 You know, it's a sequel that's considered better than the original, so most of the attention goes to Terminator 2 more than Terminator 1. So, I mean, I might be, you know, might be showing my age here, too, but I also don't think that Terminator 2 outdid those.

01:58:31.000 Oh, interesting.

01:58:32.000 I saw Terminator 2 first.

01:58:33.000 I mean, they're hard to compare, because they're not the same, they're not even considerably in any way the same type of film.

01:58:39.000 I mean, look, just the Terminator 2, when I think of Terminator 2, like, I think of mostly daytime shots and well-lit shots when I think of Terminator 1. Because it was all action, it's under the...

01:58:50.000 Under the bridge.

01:58:51.000 Yeah, I think of gritty, dark, most of the movie was happening at night.

01:58:55.000 Really, just a great early 80s movie.

01:58:59.000 So, yeah, go listen to Brett.

01:59:02.000 Go watch Terminator 1. It's amazing.

01:59:03.000 Also, Terminator Salvation is an underrated movie and you should watch Terminator.

01:59:06.000 Which one is that one?

01:59:07.000 That's the one with Christian Bale.

01:59:08.000 Yes!

01:59:09.000 I agree with that.

01:59:10.000 I did not like that one.

01:59:11.000 I mean, most people don't.

01:59:12.000 In terms of story structure, it's just, it's not, they don't do it well.

01:59:16.000 I just enjoyed that they actually looked at the I only watch Lord of the Rings.

01:59:31.000 Alright, so that one gamer says, Blindsided in a good way, seeing Iron Mike Jones here, with the rise of political tribalism, what's the best way to combat things like Christian nationalism?

01:59:43.000 Would love to see you on a Culture War episode.

01:59:46.000 I would love to be a part of that Culture War episode.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, the best way to combat Christian nationalism is to go to church.

01:59:51.000 Because again, studies show Christian nationalism arises among the least churched individuals.

01:59:56.000 If we're going to define Christian nationalism simply, it's that the idea that Christianity should be in the business of protecting national borders and identities, and national governments should be protecting a specific culture and a specific identity, which is just completely antithetical to the gospel.

02:00:12.000 It's about...

02:00:13.000 Creating a kingdom for Jesus on this earth and bringing all people in regardless of background so we all become one great, big, beautiful people at the end of the day.

02:00:22.000 So the funny thing is that Christian nationalists take pains to say they're protecting Christian identity, and when they get people in church, they start moving away from Christian nationalism and towards a much better understanding of Christianity where it's our job to go out and help people and love people, not just protect certain classes or certain ethnic groups or certain national identities.

02:00:42.000 Yes, I believe absolutely we should be caring for our own people, but we should also be striving to help as many people as we can.

02:00:48.000 And unfortunately, a lot of Christian nationalism moves away from that.

02:00:51.000 And so, yeah, I have a lot of problems with it, I think.

02:00:54.000 But again, you want to combat Christian nationalism, get people in church, and it will fix itself, surprisingly.

02:01:00.000 I think taking the plank out of your own eye before you try to take the speck of dust out of the other makes some people...

02:01:06.000 Leads them towards a Christian nationalist.

02:01:08.000 Like, we need to protect and improve the United States, America first.

02:01:12.000 But then at that point, once it's protected or once it's satisfactory, you can remove the dust out of your brother's eye.

02:01:18.000 I mean, we have to fix problems at home.

02:01:20.000 I mean, I think every Christian would agree with that.

02:01:22.000 The problem is, I think, when I look at Christian nationalism, it's the idea the government should be enforcing, like, a certain type of Christianity on its people.

02:01:29.000 Like, you know, some people have said, well, we should stay like a white Protestant nation.

02:01:33.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

02:01:34.000 Just go back.

02:01:35.000 Jack Reed, Augustine, City of God, that these nations, they're going to fall and rise.

02:01:40.000 What matters is the kingdom of God, ultimately.

02:01:42.000 I mean, his book, ironically, is a great way to combat modern Christian nationalism, because it's all about the kingdom of God.

02:01:48.000 Nations will come and go.

02:01:49.000 Focus on this.

02:01:51.000 Last one here.

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02:01:59.000 Stan Tall, thank you very much.

02:02:01.000 It's true.

02:02:02.000 So, yeah, Mike.

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02:02:42.000 Thank you.

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02:02:54.000 Very deep conversation, man.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 01, 2025

PLANE CRASHES In Philly, FAA BANS Helicopters Near DC Airport w- Inspiring Philosophy | Timcast IRL

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