On today's show, we discuss a manhunt in Arizona for a man who was threatening to kill Donald Trump, a Supreme Court ruling in favor of requiring proof of citizenship in a case involving illegal immigrants voting, and the possibility of a special guest at the Democratic National Convention.
00:01:15.000And then, you know, I talked about this morning, and I find it kind of strange that it's not bigger news, but we're so entrenched in domestic politics.
00:01:22.000You know, like, a little while ago, Ukraine invaded Russia, like, straight up invaded Russia, and Russia was forced to evacuate 130,000 of its own citizens.
00:01:33.000Yeah, so escalation seems pretty likely, and it's pretty freaky.
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00:02:52.000That'll be up tonight, and maybe it could be you.
00:03:24.000Like, I know, I know. Um, this is, I think what my, I don't even know what time this
00:03:28.000is that I've been on the show. And this is the time I am most unexcited because we're
00:03:35.000going to have to sit here and listen to officer Harris.
00:03:37.000Give her talk. It's right at nine It's going to be awful.
00:03:41.000We know what it's going to say, and it's just going to be excruciating.
00:03:46.000And I've been to North Korea, and I'd rather be in North Korea right now than listening to this talk again.
00:03:50.000Well, you can't bring me down, because I know every time Malice rolls in, I feel like Gandalf's here, and we're about to go on an adventure.
00:03:56.000I'm much more of a hobbit than a Gandalf.
00:06:33.000But the broader point is, I'm sorry, if the corporate press was as concerned about this as they are about, like, climate change, like, that would be a normal response.
00:06:43.000The fact that they kind of shrugged their shoulders and moved on is extremely disturbing to me.
00:06:47.000And I have Alex Jones's tinfoil hat on the wall in my house next to your beanie.
00:07:01.000I'm not a gun person, but I know enough if I saw that stage to scope out where the possible... It's not just that, it's that they have photos of the shooter walking around with the rifle.
00:07:34.000If we're running a restaurant and you serve chicken and some kid goes to the hospital because the chicken was undercooked, we're freaking the hell out and we're like, all right, we got to look through every step because this can never happen again.
00:07:45.000And that's the only thing we're talking about is how did this happen?
00:07:48.000That doesn't seem to be the case here.
00:07:50.000Yeah, this would be more like a kid goes to the hospital after eating raw chicken, which somehow affected him within 40 minutes, and then he like spazzes out, collapses, and we go, whoa, what happened?
00:08:00.000And then every member of the staff is like, well, we did see a guy walking around with a jar that labeled arsenic, and he was spritzing it on the chicken, but we didn't do anything about it.
00:08:18.000So a guy, when your job is to make sure a guy doesn't come in with weapons to try and kill the president, and you release him from holding, you know there's a threat.
00:10:38.000Let me ask you, Michael, because I mean, we've all talked about the Trump assassination stuff ad nauseum, but, you know, you said you got your tinfoil hat on.
00:10:45.000Who do you think What do you think is behind this?
00:10:48.000And I'll say this too, so I can just tell you where I'm at.
00:10:51.000Some official capacity wanted Trump to die that day.
00:10:55.000I said this when we were at the RNC, right after it happens.
00:11:23.000So the idea that there could be someone in official capacity in the Secret Service that wished that actually happened to Trump is probably extremely high, especially considering I think it was McNabb who said several members of federal intelligence agencies are expressing their intent to flee the country if Trump wins.
00:11:39.000So my position is the likely scenario in the Trump assassination is some official capacity.
00:12:48.000They have kompromat on pretty much any politician because you're not going to get to watch them without being highly corrupt.
00:12:54.000And I don't think any of this is really kind of in dispute.
00:12:57.000So I don't know if it was, I don't think it was planned, but I think if I'm the guy playing chess, I could set up the board that's like, I'm just going to leave these weaknesses and let things happen.
00:14:15.000But you know how else I think your theory holds credence?
00:14:18.000Because when I was a kid, showing my age, the whole point of the Secret Service is your job is to someone's firing, you're taking that bullet, you're taking that knife.
00:14:28.000I'm taking my life for the sake of the president.
00:14:31.000It does not seem that when this went down, no one went on TV and is like, I take pride in this organization, the Secret Service, for protecting presidents for decades.
00:15:23.000And I think that speaks to sort of institutional rot within the Secret Service.
00:15:26.000Because, you know, you get members of like the Trump family praising individual, you know, agents saying they've been on my family's detail, we're close to them, whatever else.
00:15:34.000The fact that the overarching leadership of this basically did nothing.
00:15:37.000She didn't even hold a press conference.
00:15:39.000Then Chito's first appearance was an ABC interview.
00:15:43.000That's how they view this, as their ability to become celebrities.
00:15:45.000And Tim, we know this is true because in 2020 all these law and order figures sat on their hands while those cities burned.
00:16:01.000Utilitarian warmongers are probably thinking, OK, they love Trump out of the way so that we can re-engage in the Middle East fully without any resistance.
00:16:09.000But if he dies, then his base is going to erupt in a fury and we might have a civil war in our hands.
00:16:15.000But then if it's an external force that doesn't give a crap about the United States, they'd be happy to see it erupt into a civil war.
00:16:20.000I slightly disagree because if, God forbid, a president gets – or a former president who's running for office gets taken out, that is a great excuse for authoritarians to be like, all right, we're cracking down Patriot Act.
00:16:32.000That'll give them the ability to really turn the screws.
00:16:36.000And they had had the Iran thing ready to go.
00:16:38.000The Iran story trickled out afterwards weekly, like they were like, oh, and by the way, I guess Iran wanted an attempt on Trump's life or is going to in the future now.
00:16:46.000You should focus away from what actually happened, though.
00:16:48.000I mean, now when you look up Trump assassination attempt, a lot of headlines are that instead of crooks shooting Trump in the ear and then us never getting an explanation from the Secret Service.
00:16:59.000It seems just clear that what seems like the clear obvious thing is that there was some sort of plan to assassinate the former president and then blame it on Iran and get us into a war with Iran.
00:17:07.000They're talking more today about a line that Trump supposedly said in Charlottesville Then the fact that one of the major presidential contenders and a former president was just almost murdered.
00:17:20.000And one of the emphasis tonight at the DNC is victims of gun violence.
00:17:28.000Like, are they going to bring Trump out on stage?
00:18:42.000And this really drives me crazy in contemporary politics and people are like, when something is bad, whatever the alternatives has to be better.
00:19:00.000Let's jump to this story from Fox News.
00:19:02.000SCOTUS gives partial victory to GOP trying to enforce proof of citizenship to vote in Arizona.
00:19:07.000The law group says each state should determine its own voting process.
00:19:11.000In a 5-4 ruling Thursday, SCOTUS gave a partial victory.
00:19:14.000The court was asked to allow enforcement of sections of Arizona's law requiring documented proof of citizenship to cast a ballot in the presidential election, including when voting by mail.
00:19:23.000The Republican Party of Arizona said on August 15th that it had filed an emergency application pending appeal for the U.S.
00:19:28.000Court of Appeals Ninth Circuit in support of HB 2492, a law requiring proof of citizenship to vote in the presidential elections.
00:19:35.000A federal judge had blocked the enforcement of the law, which prompted the appeal to the high court for temporary relief.
00:19:40.000The Constitution gives states the power to set voter qualifications, and Arizona is leading the charge to ensure only citizens vote in our elections.
00:19:47.000The Arizona GOP tweeted, this case has the potential to prevent non-citizen voting once and for all, which should have been the case all along.
00:20:30.000I think illegal immigration in Arizona is the issue, though, because it has such, you know, the proximity to the border.
00:20:35.000I mean, what's interesting about this is that when you read it, it's, you know, you go on the Secretary of State's website and it's like, yeah, when you want to register to vote, you can, like, bring your driver's license or you can bring, you know, A photocopy of your birth certificate or your tribal ID number.
00:21:31.000And the problem is that conservatives, libertarians, not necessarily libertarians, but probably more so, are willing to accept the lightest form of argument, which is, we just want IDs.
00:22:02.000Can I change the subject a little bit about the Supreme Court?
00:22:04.000Because I think this is a really smart move for the Republicans.
00:22:07.000They should say, they have to, they have to do this because there's been enough talk bubbling under from Warren and all these other types that we are going to have a constitutional amendment to limit the Supreme Court to nine members.
00:22:19.000And if the Democrats vote no, they say, if you vote no, we're going to pack the court.
00:22:23.000So either we've settled this argument once and for all, or you guys want to play this game, we'll play first.
00:22:28.000Because otherwise, they're all talking about so-called rebalancing the court, which means adding however many to make it a left-wing court.
00:23:32.000And then the businesses will bribe these people to make decisions outside.
00:23:35.000You know, the will of Congress is basically the will of the lobbyists and the big money, and the rest of us are left wondering, why are drug prices so high?
00:23:44.000But you did just bounce from Congress or, like, from Supreme Court having too few and then Senate has too few, but now Congress has too many.
00:23:52.000It is difficult to determine what the most effective way to govern is.
00:23:56.000On the other hand, like, our system is developed to have checks and balances, and if all of the branches of government function the same way, we would have the same kinds of problems over and over again.
00:24:06.000You know, I just want to jump back to this for a second.
00:24:08.000So the partial victory is that in Arizona, they are allowed to enforce their proof of citizenship requirement.
00:24:14.000But if voters register via a federal form, they don't have to provide proof of citizenship.
00:24:19.000So that means that the state has done a really good job of securing election integrity, in my opinion, for Arizona, for any position in Arizona.
00:24:27.000But on the federal level, anyone casting, I don't know, a presidential ballot, they don't need to verify that there is proof of citizenship.
00:24:32.000I also don't agree with the conservative argument that if the Democrats are stealing, the so-called stealing the elections, they're doing it through illegal immigrants.
00:24:40.000I think it's much more they would do things like filling out forms for other people, you know, like how when you have a campaign contributions, like it's in my name and I just put your guy's name as if you contributed, like stuff like that.
00:24:50.000They don't need to deal into that kind of a legal area when there's enough they can deal with in gray areas, especially in cities, to put them over the top.
00:25:42.000But I think people also don't appreciate, and maybe COVID didn't teach them enough, that this country is a lot more loving of authoritarian than we would like to believe.
00:25:52.000Like, there are a lot of people in this country, a lot, who would want to go back to COVID-era America.
00:25:58.000Like, they were happier there because they like their cage.
00:26:05.000That is pretty terrifying to think of.
00:26:07.000Like with the Kamala Harris situation where they installed a candidate and people are like clapping like wild animals.
00:26:17.000The – for those that saw the graph that I posted about the Krasensteins and didn't understand it, a few people really hit the nail on the head with what the graph meant.
00:26:27.000It is a – I responded to Ed and Brian Liberals, and it's a graph showing on one axis intelligence – Pull it up.
00:26:46.000The first graph I'll show you is just for fun.
00:26:49.000It's Kyle Kalinske's ability to recognize farms from an airplane correlated with his use of X. And the more he uses X, the higher his ability to recognize farms from an airplane.
00:26:57.000This is just a joke, because Kyle Kalinske once famously posted a photo from an airplane where he was looking at a bunch of farms and he says, wow, I wonder why it looks like that.
00:27:19.000But it's like when Sarah Silverman had those swastikas on the floor, and they were like construction markings, where that reporter found rubber bullets and thought they were, I don't remember what he thought they were.
00:28:48.000He said something, I'm paraphrasing, but he did say poor people don't know how to take care of themselves, so we should tax them so that we can spend money for them and they will be better off.
00:28:59.000Mike Bloomberg literally said this at a public event, live on stage.
00:29:03.000Isn't that the argument behind food stamps and Medicaid, though?
00:29:07.000Yeah, I can't disagree wholly with that.
00:29:09.000The argument for food stamps is basically sometimes, the ostensible, is sometimes people fall in hard times, and we have unemployment benefits, disability benefits, food banks, and these things to help lift you up, so that in your time of need, you can get back on your feet.
00:29:24.000What Bloomberg and many of these liberals are arguing, and the point about this graph I made, is that Brian's not going to tell you.
00:29:33.000He wants a system by which powerful elites tell everyone else what to do because he's one of these people who thinks everyone else is just too stupid to function properly.
00:29:42.000Can I have just one Ayn Rand quote where she says, anyone who wants more power for the state is or wants to be the state?
00:29:53.000I think what you end up seeing with the left and the right, there are many different components that make up the tribalism of the left and the right.
00:29:59.000Some say it's authoritarianism versus, you know, libertarianism or nationalism versus globalism, whatever.
00:30:14.000And so people like the Krasensteins, who are very well off relative to the average American, presumably based on what they earn on acts and the things they've posted that they've later said they don't make that much money, but they've got large followings.
00:30:37.000They interact in ways other liberals don't.
00:30:39.000But David Pakman's a really great example.
00:30:41.000He's a really great example of someone who knows he's lying, and I know for a fact he knows he's lying.
00:30:46.000Because some of the stories that he's researched for his segments, there's no way you could accidentally come to the conclusions he's come to.
00:31:08.000And I think there's... I was just shown by our booking agent this big, long list of all of the leftists and liberals that have been invited on the show, and how they either give an excuse or don't respond at all.
00:31:21.000And there's an obvious reason why they won't come on.
00:31:23.000They cannot handle an actual conversation around the issues.
00:31:47.000Whereas a debate with Michael Maus, for instance, or Dave Smith, or with me, is gonna be okay.
00:31:52.000Like I was telling Michael- Can I say one thing, though?
00:31:55.000There's something else in addition to that, which is, and I've used this example a lot, when I was growing up, you had the WWF wrestling, and then you had the NWA, where Ric Flair was the main champion.
00:32:04.000And sometimes people come up from NWA to WWF, and they pretend this person just never existed before.
00:32:09.000And they had this kind of synthetic reality, where these other people just don't exist, and you don't know how to change the channel.
00:32:14.000So I think for a lot of these lefties, I've never heard of that guy.
00:32:17.000is never your name is never mentioned or some of these other people it's effectively for their
00:32:20.000audience this person doesn't exist yeah they don't want to validate any attention yeah it's like
00:32:25.000otherwise you're you literally no one i know listens to tim pool he's a nobody i've never
00:32:29.000heard of that guy i've never heard that guy if if uh so i i mentioned this the other day on the
00:32:34.000show but i'll say i'm saying it not for the audience who's heard me say this three times
00:32:37.000now but for for michael uh people Pete Buttigieg was on Fox News.
00:33:02.000And my response to Pete Buttigieg is specifically, and that's why when Trump was president and crime went up, we talked about it every single day.
00:33:11.000And we didn't ignore the fact that Trump was president.
00:33:13.000In fact, we complained Trump wouldn't invoke the Insurrection Act to stop the riot.
00:33:15.000Day two, after the riot started, I walked into the living room where you were.
00:33:19.000I was like, why is he not calling in the National Guard?
00:33:21.000So to say, but crime went up under Trump.
00:33:25.000And so what we were looking for was either governors to do the job Trump was unwilling to do, which they did not, and Trump wouldn't intervene either.
00:33:45.000Now, I think a lot of conservatives would just say, oh, that's not true, blah blah blah, let me find my stats that prove me right, instead of actually just saying, fine, I don't care.
00:33:53.000When the Krasensteins said, oh, you're calling price controls Marxist, is it Marxist when Trump does it?
00:34:07.000I want to talk about this authoritarian, like how you guys are talking about appeal to authority and how some people want more state power and like the value of state power and how sometimes large swaths of stupid people can't make decisions for themselves because I think I'm thinking a lot about utilitarianism and the reason why... Run away, it's not good.
00:34:21.000The reason why we got sucked into war in the Middle East is because Because we need resources.
00:34:27.000Because if you have not enough resources, people will riot, so they're trying to... That's not true.
00:34:32.000There's lots of poor countries where people don't riot.
00:34:34.000Well, the United States isn't used to being poor, so if all of a sudden we ran out... In the Great Depression, there weren't riots, really.
00:35:01.000But like, I don't think everyone can make—I mean, that's why we have better men in the Constitution, why we have a small group of people kind of making these decisions for the masses.
00:37:42.000He said, Secure elections are the cornerstone of our republic.
00:37:47.000We were glad to assist when the district attorney referred the case to my office for investigation.
00:37:51.000We are completely committed to protecting the security of the ballot box and the integrity of every legal vote.
00:37:56.000This means ensuring accountability for anyone committing election crimes.
00:37:59.000He's basically saying, well let me read.
00:38:01.000In one of the investigations, which has been ongoing since 2022, the OAG's Criminal Investigation Division executed multiple search warrants on Tuesday in Atascasa, Baxar, and Frio Counties.
00:38:15.000The investigation launched after the office received a referral from 81st Judicial District Attorney Audrey Lewis regarding allegations of election fraud and vote harvesting that occurred during the 2022 elections.
00:38:26.000After gathering evidence, the office obtained search warrants to further the investigation.
00:38:29.000No other details are available since the investigation is ongoing.
00:38:32.000He also announced that there were groups trying to register people to vote outside of certain administrative buildings where you already were registered to vote inside, and that the only reason they'd be outside Is because people who got turned away would then go to these other groups to try and get registered again, which is to imply these people are not eligible to vote and they're getting made, they're getting their registrations filled out illicitly.
00:39:10.000And, hey man, I called this a long time ago, that with the Help America Vote Verification System showing Texas getting hundreds of thousands of registrations with no IDs, something was wrong.
00:39:21.000And the hypothetical was, They'll start reporting that Texas is actually a purple state and it's getting close and it could flip.
00:39:28.000That way, no matter what Trump wins, it's over.
00:39:40.000Even though Texas is deep red and good old boys and all that other stuff, and I say this as a lifelong native Texan, we have a very bizarre state government where the Speaker of the House or the Senate Majority Leader is a Democrat, and they basically just pick whoever they want, even though they just completely just try to take out Ken Paxton.
00:40:48.000There is a way to do it where it's a tie, we went over this, and I forget what it is.
00:40:53.000I forget which states they have to win and Trump has to lose or whatever.
00:40:57.000But yeah, it could end up 268 to 268 if, oh I know, if one of the, I think if Nebraska goes full red, and then Trump wins a certain amount of states, it ends up as a tie or something.
00:41:11.000I think if Kamala wins PA, I don't know.
00:41:12.000This is a great website, 270towin.com, that's what it's called?
00:41:16.000Yeah, I don't know how to find the tie.
00:41:18.000Wasn't Missouri really big on the registrations and they're not coming through as rural registrations?
00:41:24.000They really had high numbers when we went over them a couple weeks ago.
00:41:28.000Missouri had the large amount of dead people trying to register to vote.
00:41:32.000I mean, just in terms of next generation though, a lot of these illegal immigrants are going to have anchor babies.
00:41:37.000And I know we're not supposed to use that term, but what are you supposed to do with that?
00:42:34.000But in 08, for people to remember, what you're saying, Tim, is not always a strength, it's also a weakness.
00:42:39.000Because in 08, when Hillary was definitely going to be the candidate for the Democrats, and she had that ad about, like, I want to make America wonderful, and let's have a conversation.
00:42:50.000And then someone, a fan, made an ad of the 1984 Apple commercial and had someone swing a sledgehammer and smash it into her face and the Obama logo came out and all of a sudden there was a race in her hands.
00:43:02.000So this whole, like, I'm not going to have any policies on paper might be a smart move, but it does not really, at least it hasn't worked in the very recent past.
00:43:10.000But my point is simply, there are people screaming and cheering for a system.
00:43:14.000That is, Kamala was chosen, no one voted for her, and she has no policies, and there are people like, I'm voting for that.
00:43:21.000But the thing is, that was the Biden campaign was, I'm not Trump.
00:44:04.000And that's the simplest way to explain it.
00:44:06.000You also had things like voter in the park or whatever, things that were challenged constitutionally.
00:44:11.000You had Pennsylvania violating its own constitution to create universal mail-in voting, which I don't think is answered properly in the courts.
00:44:17.000Texas v. Pennsylvania was never answered properly.
00:44:20.000Democrats, rules lawyered, they figured out the meta of the game and solved it, and the Republicans thought they were playing above board and they were going to win.
00:44:57.000It is communist style of governance with the political party that chooses what you do versus constitutional republicanism where friends become enemies and we argue.
00:45:06.000We have a primary and the popular candidate wins and then he lists his agenda and then we decide if we like what he has to offer.
00:45:13.000In the sense of I don't really want to hear from everybody.
00:45:16.000Like, I think we heard from a lot of people during COVID, and the things they have to say are not things I'm interested in hearing, because they make no sense, even on their own face.
00:45:23.000Like, why are we doing social distancing in March, and then we're not doing it when the next wave comes?
00:45:27.000Was it a mistake then, or is it a mistake now?
00:45:29.000Right, but the first system is those people in charge.
00:45:35.000The argument for some of these people in the Republican Party is that we're going to become those people, which I don't think can be done, but that's their agenda.
00:45:41.000That's the idea behind Project 2025, ostensibly.
00:45:47.000That like, we're going to get, because the whole idea behind Project 2025,
00:45:50.000if I understand it correctly, not how it's been maligned, is,
00:45:53.000Heritage is like, okay, Trump's biggest Achilles heel is he had to
00:45:56.000drain the swamp by staffing the swamp, right?
00:45:59.000So if we put forward a bunch of people who are ready on day one, like Betsy DeVos, who have like an ideology, and who could start reverse engineering this leviathan, we can actually get things done.
00:46:10.000Like, here are the policies, here are the people, let's get going immediately instead of calling up Reince Priebus or asking Mitt Romney to be possibly Secretary of State.
00:46:18.000And then it's like six months into, you know, whatever.
00:46:20.000And then it's been demagogued in this thing like, oh, he wants to ban pornography.
00:46:51.000Superdelegates, where they can say, this is our candidate?
00:46:55.000Superdelegates aren't allowed to vote in the first round.
00:46:57.000So if there's an overwhelming primary, superdelegates don't do anything.
00:47:00.000But if the primary does not result in a clear winner, then they have a round of voting with no majority, then the superdelegates can come in.
00:47:33.000No, he hasn't endorsed Kamala, and he's in such a tight race in Montana because he's, I think, Montana's only Democrat, and he's vulnerable this year.
00:51:43.000But with all the stuff they've attempted, this one... What does a woman and am I racist have both already hit the nail on the head with a hammer?
00:52:16.000I brought a bunch of YouTubers in to talk about the problem of ISIS extremism and recruitment on YouTube.
00:52:23.000And they said what's happening in the UK is that ISIS is making these videos Where they're basically attacking the ideology of these young men who believe in Islam, and then lying to them to trick them into coming to join ISIS.
00:52:51.000And you got a bunch of surface-level garbage where people are like, well, you know, what you should do is make a video where you explain, hey, that video is not real, or put a flag on the video.
00:52:59.000My response was, why don't you make a show, Comedy Bits, with people who are not extremists, and make sure you're propping up people who don't espouse that ideology, so you're countering speech with more speech.
00:53:11.000Then these young men who believe in this ideology and want to do good, go towards where they see success.
00:53:27.000The whole thing is Matt Walsh going undercover to do the journey, do the work, and it's putting these people in the light of them being creepy, weirdo, crazy people.
00:53:38.000When we had that, what was that garbage show that went viral?
00:56:58.000I agree with you that it's poorly made.
00:57:00.000You're telling me that character, the main character, the dad, is supposed to be presented as the voice of reason?
00:57:07.000If you're correct on this one, and you may be, then it's either someone who knows nothing of the culture war trying to pander to the right to make money, and this is what they think they want to watch, or it's a leftist insulting the right by making a very, very awful show and then mocking them for making an awful show.
00:57:23.000I think a lot of times people want to be like, And this only happens on the right.
00:57:30.000Like, and the thing is, it's also ridiculous because when people say I'm making fun of both sides, like, I'll call you annoying and you call me a rapist.
00:57:54.000If the show is called The New Norm, right, isn't the premise that this old-fashioned guy is trying his best to adapt to what's the new norm?
00:58:27.000And it's presented from this lens of the Norm, the normal guy, and his black friend, and he's wearing a Redskins shirt, are surprised at the woke.
00:58:34.000And then the woke guy gets a phone call from Rachel Levine.
00:58:47.000So, anyway, to get away from all that, the point is, doing these mockumentaries where it's Borat-style insulting to the woke and the left without preaching for what you actually think... You know who else does this perfectly?
00:59:25.000Like, Destiny was on stage, Alex just crashed the stage and started screaming at him, and he was asking all these questions, Destiny couldn't even respond, and I'm like, what are you doing?
00:59:32.000But the argument then is if- Alex just explained it on my show.
00:59:35.000Because if Alex hadn't done that, Steven might not have spun out.
00:59:39.000Real quick, Kamala Harris is going to be speaking at 10 Eastern then.
01:00:40.000And then he kind of lumped in this weird conservative people thing, and it's like, just reinforcing his stereotype of crazy people on the right, which is not good for his brain, and people on the left.
01:00:50.000So like, I didn't personally, I don't know, man.
01:01:05.000But I do think, Ian, you often take this approach where you consistently give the benefit of the doubt and try to empathize with evil people.
01:02:29.000So we were talking on the show about why someone asked me if I would have him on the show after he gloated over the death of Corey Comptor.
01:02:36.000And I said, no, because anybody who intentionally breaks the rules of these social media platforms by glorifying, gloating, or encouraging violence, harm, and death would just get us banned.
01:02:51.000Destiny coming on the show would be an insta-ban for us.
01:02:54.000So it's not a question of, I said, I don't need personal beef, it's just, if we brought him on the show so he could articulate his position on why he wanted to glorify the death of someone who was murdered by a psychopath, YouTube would just delete the episode!
01:03:09.000It's been a couple, a month or two, so I can't remember the specific things he posted, but one example I can give you is, He says, oh yeah, well Tim had Laura Loomer on.
01:03:19.000And Laura Loomer called for the death penalty.
01:03:21.000And I was like, and we pulled that show off the air instantly.
01:03:22.000But he doesn't tell his audience that.
01:03:24.000He says, why is Tim Poole having Laura Loomer, who says this?
01:03:28.000And then he doesn't clarify that actually we told her not to say those things, don't glorify death, even in that circumstance, and we pulled the show.
01:03:55.000This is what I'm saying about David Pakman.
01:03:57.000The example I always give is when he played a clip of Ted Cruz on Meet the Press and they asked Ted Cruz, do you really believe that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election to help Hillary Clinton win?
01:04:09.000And Ted Cruz responds under the effect of, The New York Times reported it, and then you hear a producer start laughing, and then David Pakman starts laughing and says something to the effect of, like, wow, how stupid is he to believe this?
01:04:19.000There's no way David Pakman sourced the Meet the Press clip.
01:04:24.000In- and did not see Politico and the New York Times reporting it as fact.
01:04:28.000He had to intentionally not read those stories.
01:04:31.000So when I see him do something like that, I'm like, what?
01:04:33.000Because I've known- I've known Pac-Man for like 12 years.
01:04:36.000Or- or we're going on- yeah, I can't remember which one.
01:04:52.000And so I'm like, there's no way when you Google search this Ukrainian thing and Politico pops up and it says, and I'm going to pull it up because I always do, Ukraine, Politico, Ukraine.
01:05:04.000It's saved in this computer because of how often I pull this up.
01:05:08.000Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire.
01:05:41.000Because that's why I show the graph of the Krasensteins.
01:05:43.000And I gave him a 200 IQ because I'm nice.
01:05:45.000When his IQ is either very high and he's completely dishonest or he's really stupid and genuinely believes what he's saying.
01:05:52.000But I don't believe for a second that somebody who reads the news all day is just...
01:05:57.000Like, it would be like, imagine someone stretched a Swiss, a sheet of 20 inch thick Swiss cheese over the Grand Canyon and they're covering their eyes and spinning across it and dancing and missing every single hole and falling to their death.
01:06:10.000Did you ever see when Jesse Lee Peterson, praise be unto him, had Pac-Man on his show and kicked him off?
01:07:04.000Because sometimes I will, sometimes I won't.
01:07:05.000Secretly, I'll have feelings and beliefs that I don't necessarily espouse publicly, because I feel like, as Americans, we're kind of on the same team, whether we want to be or not.
01:09:12.000I think she has – I'll tell you in a second.
01:09:14.000I don't think she has much positions one way or another.
01:09:16.000She was a conservative – she ran as like this law and order prosecutor in San Francisco, whatever, and now she's trying to avoid it.
01:09:24.000As I said many times, and no one here disagrees, that what happened during the lockdowns gave a lot of very evil people some very useful information about what people put up with the government in terms of oppression.
01:09:33.000And they're cashing it in in the UK right now.
01:09:36.000And if Tim Walz had his druthers, we would have that UK system in America today.
01:10:03.000That's the weird, gross part about it.
01:10:05.000She's like, oh, yes, everything's destroyed, but I'm actually in safety.
01:10:08.000Like, she's not a business owner in the middle of Minneapolis that's having to, you know, later deal with the consequences of having her life ruined.
01:10:13.000I'm going to text you the link, Tim, OK?
01:10:45.000This is the thing, they need to make it seem like she's already trendy and that's why they're tapping into Bratz Summer or the Waltz Harris camo hat.
01:10:54.000I saw that Chapel Rowan was like, is this real?
01:13:30.000And so the simple net positive, the math there is, I'll vote for him.
01:13:35.000I would rather have, I don't want the guy in the suit, the nice guy in the suit, because that guy, nice guy in a suit, can pull off convincing moms that it's a good idea to kill their sons.
01:13:46.000Because he's respectable, he's on a pedestal, whereas if you have a president who's regarded as more of a buffoon, as both in their ways Trump and Biden were, it's a lot harder to sell World War III.
01:13:55.000Is that what you mean by wearing a suit?
01:13:56.000You can tell to the mothers that they can go to war?
01:13:59.000I think when you have an air of dignity and heft and seriousness, and you're like, we need to go to war, a lot of people be like, we're raised, like, okay, this is our time.
01:14:08.000I have to be a patriot and I have to kill my kids.
01:15:10.000Yeah, you're talking about a couple minutes.
01:15:11.000Sometimes applying pressure in one place actually creates more resistance than if you didn't apply any pressure at all.
01:15:18.000So like certain people might be better off not getting involved because of the way they're able to influence society outside of that paradigm, and you might be one of those people.
01:15:28.000I mean, you're almost like a brilliant social scientist.
01:15:31.000If you get too political, then the people that you talk to across the aisle might not want to be as involved.
01:16:34.000I think the reason he doesn't publicly state in his show that he's going to be voting for Trump is because he doesn't want to create the political tension for his show.
01:16:42.000He does much more useful things toward moving the needle than- I completely agree.
01:16:47.000Still, we have- That's why I've been screaming about these Trump supporters who have attacked him as often as- You and I were on the same team with that.
01:16:52.000With Cat Turd, it's like, guys- And Trump himself?
01:16:56.000He posts on Truth that he's going to get booed the next time he goes to UFC.
01:16:59.000I'm like, dude, this guy is pushing voters in the wrong direction.
01:17:02.000What's even funnier is like Monday, Joe says, you know, RFK makes a lot of sense.
01:17:06.000Tuesday, Trump's like, F you Joe, they're going to boo you at the UFC.
01:17:11.000Friday, I'm going to have RFC run the CIA.
01:19:12.000The reduction in incredibly damaging economic inequality, the push for a basic level of health care for everybody regardless of ability to pay, a push for an economy that is not going to allow the richest to become endlessly richer while the poor continue to be poor.
01:19:47.000Because this is a very weird interview.
01:19:48.000We didn't even... I was trying to get you to tell me exactly what Trump had done to achieve those so-called achievements, and you moved on to the Democratic Party.
01:20:48.000It's not an example of something that is or isn't progress, but the reason I'm asking whether you're a fiscal conservative is it's cheaper to pay for those procedures than to find and discharge every transgender member of the military.
01:21:03.000So if you're a fiscal conservative, and I've heard you say that you are, you should favor the cheaper option, which is paying for those procedures.
01:21:11.000And not paying for what it would cost to find and discharge all those transgender members.
01:21:16.000David, you're not here to communicate.
01:23:38.000So this is the main issue for us, especially, is there's a small handful of people that are willing to come on the show and they're all the grifters.
01:23:51.000You've got a mullet, man, and it looks gorgeous for me.
01:23:53.000Anarchists, libertarians, and conservatives, easy to book.
01:23:58.000They will come on and they will say, yes, no, maybe, I don't know, let's argue.
01:24:03.000Liberals are like, uh-oh, if I actually come on and they pull up sources, I'm screwed.
01:24:09.000The best example, and I will always give him the credit, shout out to Hunter Avalon, who came on this show, and we were talking, and I said, Joe Biden said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting a billion dollars.
01:24:18.000And he smugly goes, that never happened.
01:25:43.000So I said, if there was a person who was accused of murder and he's in a state, but the judge said there is no way you'll receive a trial in this state without someone knowing and being biased, should this person be put in trial?
01:26:11.000I think with those books, that to me is the most egregious evil gaslighting.
01:26:16.000Because we met five years ago, and I'm like, you know, I know you kind of are conservative in your morals, but five years from now, they're going to be showing pornography to kids and then telling you it's not happening.
01:26:30.000In 2000— I mean, the gaslighting is incessant.
01:26:33.000In 2008, the argument against gay marriage was— I think it was 2008 when they were doing, was it Proposition 8 or whatever in California?
01:26:40.000The argument was, it will lead to schools teaching children about gay sex.
01:26:53.000They weren't arguing that arbitrarily they'd just start saying we're going to bring, you know, gay sex into schools.
01:26:58.000They were saying if you have two adult men who are married and he's a teacher...
01:27:04.000The children are going to be exposed to this, and they're going to have questions about why his husband is showing up, and who is that, because teachers' spouses may show up and pick them up for a ride or something.
01:27:12.000And it will result in the school making the argument.
01:27:14.000Literally where we are now is that Democrats are making the argument that they have to teach children about gay sex, and I'm not even talking about, like, love.
01:28:55.000That's the one where she talks about how she was severely abused by her parents and made to defecate outside, and then they made her wear a used pad over and over again, and she smelled so bad that the counselors brought her in and scolded her for not taking care of her hygiene.
01:29:08.000And she, and this is clearly not in the book, but anybody who reads it,
01:29:12.000who has any kind of logic understands this poor young woman in this book, Genderqueer,
01:29:18.000was made to do her business outside by her parents.
01:29:22.000When she went to school and was going through puberty, they gave her used dirty old pads.
01:29:44.000Because the boys don't get insulted by the other girls for being stinky and hairy.
01:29:49.000So she internalizes this abuse from her parents that didn't properly teach her how to function in society, and then says, if only I was a boy, then I could escape from this.
01:30:00.000And then she seeks out to get a sex change.
01:30:03.000And this is what they're giving to kids to explain why these people believe these things and feel this way without actually telling the children, if your parents are making you wear three-day-old crusted pads and you smell bad, you are being abused and you need help.
01:30:16.000But that's the book they're giving to kids.
01:30:17.000Ian, how are you going to sit down and give these people the benefit of the doubt?
01:30:20.000I'll tell you exactly what I'm thinking about.
01:30:23.000I think when people self-identify, when they put themselves in a mental cage by saying, I am a progressive, I am an anarchist, I am a Democrat, I am a Republican, that they've basically, they're living in a sort of mental fear where they're like protecting themselves with this idea of what they think they are.
01:30:38.000And so these people are vulnerable because that's why they're identifying themselves as a protective field.
01:30:44.000So if they feel like you're not on their side, they're going to have a fear of you.
01:30:51.000You think Michael is claiming to be an anarchist because he's afraid?
01:30:54.000I think it protects him from having to explain why he's not voting.
01:32:00.000If you were standing on the sidewalk by yourself, and an old man walked by, and then grasped his chest and fell down, and a doctor ran up and said, this man's going to die.
01:32:08.000You, sir, come over here and start doing compressions.
01:32:38.000So when you say authority is illegitimate, we need to clarify and let people understand.
01:32:41.000We, every day in our lives, recognize the true authority.
01:32:44.000A person that we reasonably believe to be a doctor, and we make a guess in this, a guy's wearing a lab coat with a stethoscope and he's in scrubs, he might not be!
01:32:53.000He could be a burglar, or a robber, trying to steal the guy's wallet from him.
01:33:28.000The people that are in this realm of self-identifying as I am a this, which a lot of these people in our work are because of the politics, they have a sort of reticence to engage.
01:33:38.000They're afraid of identifying with the other.
01:33:41.000So I feel like If you don't identify, it's much easier to to get along with people like that.
01:33:48.000Also, if like, the reason why people that would consider themselves conservatives are more willing to identify with other people that consider themselves conservatives is because they're not afraid.
01:33:58.000They're less afraid of the of what they're familiar with.
01:34:01.000So I try and dispense with With self-identification and cults and groups, I never liked being in the in-group.
01:34:11.000I always wanted to- Don't worry about that, Ian.
01:34:26.000We're using labels right now to communicate with the English language.
01:34:29.000I understand the value of labels and that you need them sometimes, but when it's coming to, like, the survival of our species, I feel like sometimes you gotta step back from that stuff.
01:34:37.000And, like, hitting Pac-Man on being progressive, like, that's gonna push him away.
01:36:24.000The argument is, should government intervene in medical care has different moral lines.
01:36:29.000You can argue that, I am of the belief, my principles are, people make their choices over their own medical care and the government shouldn't intervene.
01:36:38.000Okay, so if a doctor then prescribes to a parent that their child get a sex change, the government shouldn't intervene.
01:36:49.000If a child is transgender and the doctor is refusing, should the government intervene, or the parents are refusing the doctor's orders, should the government intervene to give the child the sex change?
01:37:02.000It's not just a simple logic of one plus one equals two.
01:37:04.000It's what is your moral worldview and what do you accept or not accept?
01:37:08.000Yeah, and I want to blend these people's worldviews, people that you disagree with.
01:37:12.000That's where I'm at with like turning someone from the dark to the light, is rather than self-identify as the other from them, I want to kind of become one with their consciousness and then take them with me on a ride of belief, like change their understanding, because I do think I have good morals.
01:37:28.000Okay, there's only one way to actually change people, and it's not sitting down having a conversation and thinking you're being nice to them.
01:37:49.000If you want to make someone pro-2A, when they find themselves in the middle of the woods being attacked by bears, they might all of a sudden wish they had a gun on them, and then they're like, but guns are banned in this country.
01:37:57.000There's actually a line about a conservative who's a liberal who's been mugged, and a liberal who's a conservative who's been arrested.
01:38:03.000Chloe Cole just interviewed this detransitioner who said she was in Israel during the war, during the attacks, and it was in that moment of the bombings that she realized, if I'd gotten the surgery, I wouldn't be able to get up and run to safety right now.
01:38:20.000Well, so anyway, if you want to change someone's mind, Meeting them and entertaining their fallacies is them attempting to change your mind.
01:38:28.000Two people meeting, you're not going to change their worldview.
01:38:31.000There's a reason why they won't come on the show.
01:38:34.000Conservatives have no problem because they are firm in their worldviews.
01:39:05.000Michael, did you see the tweet from, I think it's Katherine Brodsky, where she says, she posted Elon saying, you know, Twitter needs to be neutral.
01:39:11.000And she says, I had a dream that we have this utopia, but I was wrong.
01:39:14.000Like, I wish this is what Twitter was going to be.
01:39:17.000The issue is, for a lot of these liberals, they assumed that this country is balanced between left and right, and that if you remove the censorship on X, you would have the left and the right equally arguing.
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01:41:39.000All right, Just Cause I'm Free says, so now it's known the Democrats are using lawfare, infiltration, and sabotage against RFK Jr., Jill Stein, and Trump.
01:41:47.000Just wondering what are the consequences of all this?
01:41:57.000Other than, I mean, you know, Nicole Shanahan coming out and saying, like, this is something that's happening may make some people more aware of it, which may Just to stress slightly, but long-term there are no consequences.
01:42:08.000Remember when, was it Donna Brazile, was caught emailing Hillary Clinton the questions that they're going to have in the debate?
01:42:13.000It wasn't a debate, it was a town hall.
01:42:18.000The pre-arranged media thing where we're supposed to have this face-off.
01:42:21.000No, the worst example, sorry to cut you off, the worst example of this was when Hillary was running for Senate in 2000 in New York State, and she ran on Letterman, and the big issue is like, Lady, you have nothing to do with New York.
01:42:30.000Like, how are you running for the New York Senate?
01:42:32.000And he asked her, what's the state bird?
01:42:33.000What's the national- What's the state- What's the state, uh, slogan?
01:42:36.000And she's like, oh, I think it's this.
01:45:39.000There is a lot of blue movement, I think, especially during COVID.
01:45:42.000Like on the East Coast, we saw a lot of migration to Florida and other places.
01:45:46.000And there are, you know, some of them were conservatives who were leaving the state, but there were, you know, Democrats or likely Democrats who moved too.
01:45:52.000And I think you did see that from the West Coast, especially people leaving California.
01:45:57.000But generally, I think Montana will stay pretty red.
01:46:04.000Matt Burkhart says 269-269 ties, Trump winning all swing states, but Dems winning all of Texas, all of Maine, and the three independent districts of Nebraska.
01:47:40.000Yeah, he's out and I'm trying to see what happens to his seat.
01:47:43.000Alright, Blackout says, Amiracist is just one big scythe to prove Clark Kent's disguise was reasonable.
01:47:48.000You remember that meme about a picture of Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent and he goes, I want a disguise that no one could confuse with the hero who never lies?
01:47:58.000Well, the thing about Clark that people don't realize is, clearly because they're not fans of DC, Superman's disguise was never just putting on glasses.
01:48:08.000In the movies, they actually do a good job of helping to explain this, and actually in Justice League cartoons, Clark Kent is low-key.
01:48:21.000He's nervous and shaky and he gets pushed around all the time.
01:48:33.000So there's there's one I was actually watching just a little while ago and it's like Clark Kent is getting beat up by like Luther's guys or something and he's begging for please leave me alone and he's all messed up and he's shaking and then as soon as they're they leave he rips his clothes off and then he's Superman and in the movies I think what they did was he's hunched over and he's like well you know and then there's a scene where he takes his glasses off and then he rises up right and then it's a completely different person but I mean people Listen, if you saw a guy in a wheelchair who could only move his head, you wouldn't think he's Superman either.
01:49:58.000Like, I recognize, yeah, I'm the guy who shut up both.
01:50:00.000The point I'm trying to make is, uh, I'll do it again.
01:50:02.000I was, I was, I was sitting at a subway and there was, uh, it was, uh, Dennis, uh, Glenn Howerton and, um, uh, Caitlin, um, what's her name?
01:50:34.000I also saw Ben Gibbard from Death Cab walked right- this is crazy, I was in Chicago, I was on Clark Street, and I lived there, and I was playing with my friend, we were playing music, and we were playing Death Cab for Cutie Covers, and then I was like, we played a song, and we make good money.
01:50:47.000Everyone's drunk, and they're partying, and the baseball game's happening, and then I was like, I don't know, what do you want to play now?
01:50:51.000And she's like, I don't know, let's play one of your originals.
01:51:58.000Because our cameras are set at a higher angle to go over the heads.
01:52:02.000So, what people don't understand is, from their perspective walking around the streets, if you're six feet tall, You're looking down, so if you're 5'10 or whatever, and you meet someone who's 5'7, you're looking down at them from this angle, and your brain says, short.
01:52:16.000If you're watching a TV show with downward angles, your assumption is these are short people.
01:52:20.000When they film TV shows and movies, they have these women who are 5'3, but the cameras are all shot at chest height, so it's eye level, or lower than the actor, and they assume that people are a lot taller than they are, and then they find out most of the actors are actually a lot shorter than they are.
01:52:34.000People don't know Tim is 6'7", by the way.
01:52:37.000I do like to, when watching movies, look at doors, when the actor or actress is walking by the door, and then you're like, man, Tom Cruise, he's a short guy.
01:52:45.000He's like... When he walks over and he reaches up for the doorknob... Cut!
01:53:08.000We got Omega Rosetsu says, for Malice, I say to Jehovah's Witnesses as well, if you do not participate, your opinion is void and probably shouldn't have a political opinion.
01:53:27.000And this is the point I was making about conservatives arguing with liberals, and the conservatives and liberals are willing to debate, is because many of the conservatives would say, well, I think, you know, what I think is this, instead of going, okay, you're right.
01:54:42.000So Master and Slave are coding terms and they had this thing where they're like, we're gonna get rid of these words and... Did they still say male and female with the plugs?
01:54:49.000Oh yeah, wasn't that... No, I think that's still a thing.
01:54:52.000Now it's receptive and... The fact that they're saying front hole, it's like... Front hole?
01:57:06.000All right, Dinus says, everyone should correct your status as an American state national, not to be confused with the oxymoron sovereign citizens.
01:57:13.000Look into the United States Corporation under the 14th Amendment.
01:57:47.000There's not this magic set of rules that people who are evil and interested in increasing power are all of a sudden going to submit and be like, you know what?
01:58:09.000And that's the frustration I have with a lot of people.
01:58:11.000We're at this point where, you know, Ian thinking he's going to argue with Democrats who are sitting there... Ian, when you sit down with someone like the Krasins or Pacman and you're like, I really want to try and work this out and understand you, they're sitting there going like, this guy's so...
01:58:24.000Dude, me and Ed and Brian get along great.
01:58:25.000There's nothing- They both follow me on Twitter.
01:58:27.000They're not thinking, what a good guy!
01:58:29.000They're thinking, this guy's dumb as a box of rocks.
01:58:31.000No, they're like, let's stay in touch and do stuff together.
01:59:40.000And I think we both have, like, bias because of that.
01:59:43.000Well, everybody has their bias and their worldview, but I think it has more to do with... I worked in an industry, in the nonprofit sector, which was literally training liberal individuals and young people to go lie to people to get them to give you money and vote for people for things that are a detriment to themselves.
02:00:00.000Yeah, I came from, like, helping people.
02:00:02.000Going to the battered women's shelter and mowing the lawn for free, or like for 15 bucks.
02:00:05.000Right, I worked for homeless shelters.
02:00:07.000And what you learn is some people are evil and some people are not.
02:00:11.000And so there are certain liberals that are not evil.
02:00:20.000I enjoy watching her on Fox because she doesn't, she actually, she argues with Jessie and she's not stupid.
02:00:26.000She's actually making good points when he, and I'm like, well, I disagree with her on that one, but she's not just saying random garbled nonsense.
02:00:36.000And I know this for a fact because they omit context on purpose, and they even admit that they do this.
02:00:42.000There's a tweet thread from Brian where he explains he's going to push certain points he knows are out of context for the purpose of manipulating people.
02:00:49.000And then Ian's like, well, I don't know.