Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - RFK Jr Joins LIVE At The Libertarian National Convention Talking Trump, Biden, 2024 | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Alright everybody, welcome.

00:00:19.000 We are at the Libertarian Party National Convention in Washington, D.C.

00:00:23.000 Literally behind us is the main convention hall.

00:00:25.000 It's been particularly interesting already.

00:00:27.000 We have a great show tonight, and instead of wasting any time with any big stories or anything, the big story is here today.

00:00:34.000 As the Libertarians are figuring out who's going to be the candidate.

00:00:37.000 And we have RFK Jr.

00:00:38.000 as well as Donald Trump who have attended and spoken to this crowd.

00:00:43.000 So we're going to be having a conversation on the current state of the election, politics, and policies.

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00:00:58.000 Joining us tonight, of course, is presidential candidate RFK Jr.

00:01:03.000 Thanks for having me, Tim.

00:01:06.000 I really do appreciate it.

00:01:08.000 Everybody knows who you are, so we're really excited that you're here so we can discuss, I think, a lot about the Libertarian Party, your speech, what you're hoping to accomplish, as well as I've got a million questions about your policies and your plan for 2024, so I appreciate you being here.

00:01:22.000 We have Luke, Phil, and Hannah-Claire.

00:01:25.000 You guys want to just quickly... Yeah, very ironically, YouTube actually deleted my video today where I actually featured a clip from you on Joe Scarborough.

00:01:33.000 So, very ironically, good to have you here.

00:01:36.000 Thank you so much, Tim, for taking the risk, for having this conversation.

00:01:39.000 This is a very important conversation.

00:01:41.000 Check out my YouTube channel, youtube.com forward slash WeAreChanged.

00:01:43.000 We just had Dave Smith on today.

00:01:45.000 Probably we're going to have Ron Paul on Sunday, and we're doing a big nature hike this Sunday for members of lukewinfilter.com.

00:01:50.000 Phil, how are you?

00:01:51.000 How you doing?

00:01:52.000 I am Phillip Bonte.

00:01:53.000 I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:01:56.000 I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:01:58.000 How you doing there, Hannah-Claire?

00:01:59.000 I'm excited.

00:02:00.000 I think it's a good Friday show.

00:02:01.000 I'm Hannah-Claire Bremmel.

00:02:02.000 I'm a writer for scnr.com.

00:02:03.000 That's Scanner News.

00:02:04.000 I'm so grateful to be a part of this.

00:02:05.000 Let's get to it.

00:02:06.000 Right on.

00:02:06.000 My first question just has to do with us being at the Libertarian Party National Convention, and I know that you spoke.

00:02:11.000 I'm curious.

00:02:13.000 Wow, the LP is getting a lot of attention right now, and I'm wondering what compelled you to come down here and speak to the people here.

00:02:18.000 What are you thinking?

00:02:21.000 Well, I've always had an affinity for libertarians.

00:02:23.000 My approach to the environment was always a free market approach.

00:02:32.000 I started working for commercial fishermen on the Hudson River, a blue-collar community on the Hudson River.

00:02:40.000 Most of my career has been working for commercial and recreational fishermen who were capitalists, free marketeers.

00:02:47.000 And I understood pollution to be a subsidy and an assault on the market.

00:02:56.000 That was always my approach.

00:02:58.000 I've talked about it for 40 years.

00:03:00.000 I'm anti-war, which is one of the key sympathies of libertarians.

00:03:14.000 I believe in personal freedoms, the Constitution, So, you know, I think that libertarians themselves are not united about anything.

00:03:23.000 I actually had a friend.

00:03:26.000 I had a friend called Peter Beuth who ran Greenpeace.

00:03:33.000 For many, many years, I went camping with him for about three weeks.

00:03:36.000 We had a camp hanged out in Mexico years ago, trying to stop Mitsubishi from building a big salt mine and a whale sanctuary down there.

00:03:43.000 And I ended up in a tent, got to be very close to him, and he ran Greenpeace.

00:03:49.000 I said, On one point, what's it like running Greenpeace?

00:03:54.000 And he said, it's like being in charge of 1.2 million people and the only thing they have in common is they all despise authority.

00:04:02.000 And to me, the Libertarians always seem like that. 0.85

00:04:10.000 It's a very democratic and kind of chaotic version of democracy.

00:04:14.000 It's the opposite of the duopoly, you know, which are now these kind of top-down, tyrannical systems that are run by corporations, by BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard.

00:04:31.000 And the pharmaceutical companies, and the big war companies, and the big military contractors, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed, and the oil and coal companies, they're all taking money from the same people, and it's all this kind of very, very top-down systems, and the libertarians are the opposite of that.

00:04:57.000 They're bottom-up.

00:04:59.000 They're all iconoclastic.

00:05:03.000 There's no unifying, real unifying theme except for freedom, which I like a lot.

00:05:10.000 And their view of freedom is very differently.

00:05:12.000 Very differently.

00:05:13.000 Some people here think there should be no borders.

00:05:15.000 Some people here think there should be strong borders, and they both argue that it's freedom.

00:05:20.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:05:25.000 The kind of extreme versions, first of all, I think their minds are really interesting because You know, first of all, they're very thoughtful.

00:05:38.000 They do critical thinking.

00:05:41.000 They are completely, fiercely skeptical towards authority, which I like a lot.

00:05:48.000 They're skeptical about any orthodoxies or official pronouncements, which I enjoy.

00:05:55.000 And then they have, you know, the really extreme libertarians.

00:06:03.000 Have this kind of system worked out in their heads that works for them where everything should be privatized.

00:06:11.000 I don't agree.

00:06:13.000 No, I don't agree either.

00:06:15.000 I don't think you can privatize the commons.

00:06:19.000 Capitalism works with private property, but there are certain assets that are, just by their nature, they're shared assets of communities, the air, the water, wildlife, fisheries, public lands.

00:06:30.000 And, you know, if somebody tried to privatize the Hudson River, it wouldn't be a good thing.

00:06:37.000 You want public access to it.

00:06:39.000 You want people to be able to use it for all different kinds of purposes.

00:06:43.000 And so I think it falls apart.

00:06:45.000 The philosophy, to me, falls apart in the commons, but I always enjoy talking with them about it.

00:06:50.000 Are you thinking that you're going to convince some of them to join you, vote for you, support you?

00:06:56.000 I think a lot of them are supportive.

00:07:00.000 We've gotten good support from the libertarians from the beginning, so I don't think, I don't know how much convincing they need.

00:07:05.000 I think there's, people are adamantly against me because of my position on Gaza.

00:07:12.000 I think that from the outset, you know, that most of them are very, very supportive of my position on Ukraine, and I was one of the first national political figures to come out and say this war is a hoax.

00:07:26.000 And so, and I think that, you know, they like my free market approach to environmentalism and a lot of other stuff that I talk about.

00:07:35.000 So we've gotten from the beginning when I was campaigning in New Hampshire a year ago, the biggest, you know, we were going to Freedom Fest and the biggest groups that were, you know, were we getting the best crowds, the most enthusiastic crowds, were libertarian crowds.

00:07:51.000 I lost a lot of them on Gaza.

00:07:54.000 What's your Gaza position?

00:07:55.000 I'm against war, but I think in the last hundred years we've only fought one war that I would call a moral war, which was World War II, because we were attacked.

00:08:08.000 It was a defensive war.

00:08:09.000 We were attacked by an enemy, an implacable enemy that was committed to the obliteration of our values, systems, our country, etc.

00:08:20.000 And so, to me, World War I was a bad war, was a war of choice. 0.53

00:08:25.000 My grandfather protested it, lost all of his friendships, lost a lot of relationships and business opportunities because of that.

00:08:34.000 But I think the Gaza war, from Israel's point of view, is a defensive war.

00:08:39.000 You know, they were attacked.

00:08:41.000 They were attacked not just on October 7th, but they were attacked for 16 years since Hamas took over Gaza.

00:08:47.000 I'm very pro-Palestinian.

00:08:49.000 I have friends in Gaza.

00:08:51.000 I've been to the West Bank.

00:08:52.000 I met with the Palestinian Authority leadership.

00:08:56.000 I have an organization in Israel that's the only organization, it's a water protection group on the Jordan River, and it has Palestinians, Jordanian Arabs, and Israel Jews on it.

00:09:07.000 I'm very, very supportive of the aspirations of the Palestinian people.

00:09:13.000 I think Hamas is the biggest enemy of the Palestinian people.

00:09:17.000 And you know, Palestinian people have, I'll just tell you this, have received more money, more than almost 20 times what Europeans received during the Marshall Plans.

00:09:32.000 Between 1944 and 1948, we sent, we rebuilt 17 nations that had been destroyed in Europe after World War II.

00:09:42.000 We spent to do that We spent, in 2023 dollars, $626 per capita for all the people in those countries.

00:09:54.000 In the last 30 years, international aid agencies have pumped $8,600 per capita to every single person in the Palestinian Authority, including a lot of people who aren't really there.

00:10:10.000 As the Palestinian Authority and UNRWA counts people who left long ago in order to continue to... So would your position be not to send them any money, and would you also not send any money to Israel then, as President of the United States?

00:10:24.000 No, what I would do, what I think we should be doing is diplomatic solutions, but we should You know, I think we need to do a Marshall Plan for Gaza after the war, but I don't think that the war can end until Hamas is eliminated. 0.84

00:10:39.000 I don't think you can be giving money to Hamas.

00:10:42.000 So today the United Nations top court actually just ordered Israel to immediately halt its operations in Rafa.

00:10:49.000 The United States and the Biden administration asked them not to do this, and Israel just did it anyway.

00:10:54.000 How would you handle the situation as President of the United States?

00:10:58.000 Would you allow them to continue that?

00:10:59.000 Would you allow American service members to be there?

00:11:02.000 American service members aren't there?

00:11:03.000 Israel is there.

00:11:04.000 Yes, they are.

00:11:05.000 They're actually in the water.

00:11:07.000 They actually set up a pier and a port, and now they're being attacked.

00:11:11.000 So, as President of the United States, how would you handle the Rafah situation, and would you put our American troops there, like they are currently?

00:11:18.000 No, I would not send American troops to Israel.

00:11:21.000 I would support Israel with arms and weapons. 0.99

00:11:27.000 The International Court of Justice, part of the United Nations, the United Nations just has an ingrained hostility to Israel.

00:11:34.000 The United Nations has, you know, has issued, I think, 14 condemnations in the last five or six years against Israel, one against North Korea, none against, you know, any of these other nations that are, you know, that are actually committing Human rights abuses all the time.

00:11:56.000 Israel is the only democracy in the Mideast.

00:11:58.000 It's the only place where everybody can vote, whether you're Arabs or Jews.

00:12:02.000 You have all equal rights.

00:12:05.000 Arabs in Israel can run for every political office.

00:12:08.000 There's 10 Arabs serving in the Knesset.

00:12:10.000 They're serving on every level of the judiciary.

00:12:14.000 They have freedom of speech, they have freedom of religion.

00:12:16.000 In fact, there's 27 Asians in the Mideast, and 26 of them have official religions.

00:12:22.000 But the question is, what would you do for Rafa?

00:12:25.000 What would you do for Rafa?

00:12:26.000 I've never answered the question.

00:12:26.000 Real quick, I want to pull this up.

00:12:28.000 This is important to what you're asking.

00:12:29.000 This is from USNI.org.

00:12:32.000 U.S.

00:12:32.000 soldiers critically injured during Gaza pier operation.

00:12:35.000 Two other service members hurt.

00:12:36.000 These are non-combat related injuries.

00:12:38.000 But this is U.S.

00:12:39.000 service members.

00:12:41.000 They are armed.

00:12:42.000 Lloyd Austin said that they are allowed to return fire.

00:12:46.000 They are currently under fire from Hamas in Gaza.

00:12:49.000 And so, based on what Luke was asking, I'd ask, knowing that the U.S.

00:12:53.000 is doing this, they're building a pier, should you get elected, would you call these troops back and cancel the construction of this pier?

00:13:00.000 You know, I would have to look at the whole Peer Project.

00:13:04.000 I've been ambivalent about that project from the beginning.

00:13:06.000 I'm not sure that it's necessary.

00:13:08.000 But, you know, I would have to understand it better.

00:13:13.000 I read both the literature, propaganda coming out of Israel and the propaganda coming from Hamas.

00:13:22.000 And it's unclear to me how, you know, what Israel says There's plenty of supplies going into Gaza.

00:13:30.000 That there is no shortage of supplies.

00:13:32.000 That the problem in Gaza is that Hamas is stealing the supplies rather than distributing them.

00:13:38.000 Well, the Pentagon is also reporting just two days ago that the aid is actually not getting through to the people of Gaza.

00:13:43.000 Yeah, well, and that's what Israel's been saying, that they can't.

00:13:46.000 The problem is not A lack of supplies, the problem is that Hamas won't allow anybody to have access to the supplies. 0.53

00:13:53.000 That's the same reason Gaza hasn't had waters because of Hamas, you know? 0.90

00:13:58.000 Well, no, Israel shut off the water and electricity.

00:14:02.000 They took some of the water pipes, correct, but then Israel did shut off the water and did shut off the electricity to two million people, not just combatants.

00:14:11.000 Israel, first of all, Israel only controls about 9% of the water.

00:14:18.000 Most of the water, about 91% of the water in Gaza comes from six desal plants, desalinization plants.

00:14:30.000 Those plants are dependent on oil, on fuel and bunker fuel.

00:14:37.000 And what Israel says is there is plenty of that fuel in Gaza, But they're using it to fire rockets into Israel rather than to operate their diesel plants, and there's plenty of evidence of that, because Israel's been hit by about 20,000 rockets since October 7th, and they consume a tremendous amount of fuel.

00:14:58.000 So, what Israel says is they've got plenty of oil, they're just not using it.

00:15:02.000 They are starving their own people, and we see this, you know, this scapegoating all the time, where Jews are the only Jewish nation that is being blamed.

00:15:12.000 Or for crimes that Hamas is committing. 0.80

00:15:16.000 If a bank robber robs a bank...

00:15:21.000 And grabs a hostage and is firing over the hostage's shoulder at the police, and the police fire back and hit the hostage.

00:15:29.000 You don't blame the police, you blame Hamas. 0.89

00:15:31.000 But at the same time, we don't blow up Times Square if there's a terrorist inside of Times Square.

00:15:35.000 So that's another kind of situation that would counter your situation.

00:15:38.000 But back to the question about Rafa.

00:15:39.000 It depends on how many terrorists are in Times Square.

00:15:43.000 When we went into Ramallah, when we went into Mosul, we killed a lot more civilians than Israel is doing here right now. 0.92

00:15:51.000 There's a war going on in Yemen.

00:15:54.000 We're our allies, where the United Arab Emirates, the Saudis, are bombing civilian targets.

00:16:01.000 They've killed already 350,000 civilians.

00:16:04.000 People only complain when Israel kills civilians.

00:16:08.000 I completely agree.

00:16:09.000 Well, they're working with Al-Qaeda, too.

00:16:12.000 They're working with Al-Qaeda in Yemen, as well.

00:16:14.000 I think the question is actually, should this be America's priority right now?

00:16:17.000 Is this the thing that America should be considering over other domestic issues that we have?

00:16:22.000 I understand the humanitarian crisis, the loss of life is tragic, but as president, I wonder, is this the thing that you prioritize over the more serious domestic issues like the border, like our own, you know, economic crisis?

00:16:35.000 I would say, I would say this, you know, my priority is, as president, is going to be with the United States.

00:16:42.000 I wouldn't be sending any money to Ukraine.

00:16:45.000 At all.

00:16:45.000 Not a penny.

00:16:49.000 Because for all the reasons, Ukraine's a war of choice, it's a war that we help provoke, it's a war that Putin has been trying to settle on terms that are very, very favorable to us, and we keep on making Zelensky tear up the agreements. 0.60

00:17:06.000 So the question is, do we have an interest in supporting Israel?

00:17:11.000 And does the U.S.

00:17:12.000 have a legitimate interest or an important national interest in supporting Israel?

00:17:17.000 And I would say the answer to that is yes.

00:17:20.000 We give a tiny fraction to Israel.

00:17:26.000 A large amount of the money that we historically send to Israel goes to the Iron Dome.

00:17:31.000 The Iron Dome is this unique system, a defensive system, so that Israel will not have to invade Gaza.

00:17:38.000 Nobody else would do this.

00:17:40.000 Since Hamas took over Gaza, they fired an average of 2,000 missiles a year onto civilian centers in Israel.

00:17:49.000 People say Gaza has one of the highest population densities in the world.

00:17:53.000 That's not true.

00:17:54.000 Tel Aviv has twice the population density as Gaza.

00:17:58.000 And that's where Hamas is sending missiles, onto a civilian population.

00:18:03.000 There's a million Israelis who live in bomb shelters.

00:18:06.000 And Israel, any other nation that was attacked by a smaller, less powerful nation that was committed to its destruction, its annihilation, the extermination of its people, would go in there and carpet bomb it from the air and destroy it. 0.71

00:18:20.000 Yep.

00:18:20.000 Israel didn't do that.

00:18:22.000 Israel built an iron dome so it would not have to go in, and that is where, you know, a large percentage of the money that we send to Israel is going to that iron dome.

00:18:36.000 So I believe, and Israel for us in the Mideast, is a bulwark for democracy, it's a bulwark for U.S.

00:18:43.000 interests. If Israel was a woman, a Palestinian friend of mine told me this the other day, he

00:18:49.000 said, you know, many Palestinians understand that we need a strong Israel because if we, if

00:18:58.000 Israel ceased to exist, we would be at the mercy of Iran. 1.00

00:19:04.000 And Iran doesn't care about us. 0.91

00:19:06.000 Iran does not care about the Palestinian people.

00:19:08.000 Look what they've done with Hamas.

00:19:10.000 They've built 300 miles of tunnels for fighters and not a single bomb shelter for civilians.

00:19:17.000 We can certainly loop back to this, but I do want to make sure we can get it... I don't want to just turn into an hour-long debate over Israel, because that's usually what happens, but I'm curious about domestic issues, and it does pain me a little bit to have to ask the really boring and obvious question, but it's the one that matters most to people, and that's...

00:19:32.000 Currently, people are struggling.

00:19:33.000 They can't afford groceries.

00:19:36.000 The media keeps saying there's nothing to worry about.

00:19:39.000 The inflation is fine.

00:19:40.000 And then when working class people try to feed their kids, they're finding that it's harder and harder to actually buy groceries.

00:19:46.000 I wonder your view on the economy and what you could do as president that would change this for the American people.

00:19:51.000 I mean, I think that there's an assault on the middle class in this country.

00:19:57.000 And it's been going on since 1980, but it really exploded during COVID when we shut down 3.3 million businesses with no due process, no just compensation, no scientific citation.

00:20:12.000 We shifted four trillion dollars upward from the American middle class.

00:20:16.000 We obliterated the middle class to this new oligarchy of billionaires.

00:20:21.000 We created a billionaire day globally in 500 days, 500 days, 500 new billionaires.

00:20:27.000 And you know, a lot of those businesses will never reopen.

00:20:31.000 41% of black-owned businesses will never reopen.

00:20:34.000 And a lot of them had three generations of equity in them.

00:20:38.000 And then, you know, because we've spent Eight trillion dollars on war since 2001.

00:20:46.000 We didn't have that money.

00:20:50.000 We borrowed it from China and we printed the money.

00:20:54.000 And that is why we're having inflation.

00:20:57.000 And that's why we have four dollar bread, four dollar milk, and six dollar gasoline.

00:21:00.000 Do you think that's irreversible then?

00:21:02.000 Do you think that cutting the war funding might alleviate some of this tension?

00:21:07.000 It's complicated because you can't cut... First of all, we have to make dramatic cuts.

00:21:12.000 And essentially what our orphaned investments, which is war is an orphan investment, you spend a million dollars on a missile, $60,000 on a backpack missile, a million dollars on a tank, you send it somewhere to get destroyed and it doesn't produce any kind of economic benefits.

00:21:32.000 If we're going to, we cannot, we're at a point now, $34 trillion in debt.

00:21:38.000 Eight trillion of that is from Trump.

00:21:40.000 Another seven trillion is from Biden.

00:21:44.000 And Trump ran up a bigger debt, spent more money than every president before him, from George Washington to George W. Bush in 283 years.

00:21:53.000 Neither of them are gonna deal with this issue.

00:21:58.000 It's so large right now, we're spending more on servicing that debt than our entire defense budget.

00:22:03.000 Within five years, 50 cents out of every dollar that we collect in taxes is gonna go to the debt.

00:22:08.000 Within 10 years, 100%.

00:22:09.000 So it's existential.

00:22:13.000 You need to cut dramatically spending, and those cuts will come from the military, which we need to cut down to about $500 billion a year from $900 billion.

00:22:24.000 We need to close most of the 800 bases that we have abroad, which are just invitations for new wars.

00:22:31.000 The biggest savings is going to come from ending the chronic disease epidemic, which is now the biggest part of our budget, $4.3 trillion.

00:22:38.000 It's five times the military budget.

00:22:40.000 It was 6% of GDP when my uncle was president, and it's about 20% today.

00:22:47.000 We've gone from 6% of kids having chronic disease in our country to 60%.

00:22:54.000 We're the only country that has this.

00:22:55.000 We have the highest chronic disease burden in the world.

00:23:01.000 You can't just cut it and solve the debt problem.

00:23:04.000 You actually need to cut it and then invest it in things that are going to expand the economy.

00:23:09.000 You have to grow your way out of this existential crisis.

00:23:13.000 Not just cut your way out of it.

00:23:15.000 Mr. Kennedy, even beyond that, everyone knows that the mandatory spending is the actual driver of all of our major economic problems.

00:23:22.000 So, considering nobody's going to touch Medicare and Medicaid, how do we have a plan that can actually fix the problem of Medicare and Medicaid without leaving seniors and people that are planning for it, which there's too many Americans that are planning for it now, but the people that are actually planning for it, how do we fix the problem for them without leaving the mine dry?

00:23:43.000 Well, you know, the places where we need to get about four or five billion from the military,

00:23:52.000 we need to reduce chronic disease from 4.3 billion a year to, I mean, 4.3 trillion a

00:24:03.000 year to about a quarter of that.

00:24:08.000 And then we can do cuts, you know, particularly with AI, we can identify ways.

00:24:14.000 I'm going to also use blockchain to make our entire budget transparent so that everybody

00:24:19.000 can identify ways.

00:24:21.000 And that's where I'm going to get the money.

00:24:26.000 I'm not going to cut Medicare.

00:24:28.000 I'm not going to cut Social Security.

00:24:31.000 That's a contract with the American people. 0.72

00:24:33.000 What I'm going to do is reduce the cost of treating illness in this country.

00:24:38.000 Everybody else talks about, when they talk about health care, they're talking about Whether it's Obamacare or single-payer or, you know, public-private hybrid or whatever, but it's all about, that's all of those propositions, the big battles that are fought about moving tech chairs around on the Titanic.

00:24:56.000 A whole ship is sinking, and it's sinking because of the explosion of chronic disease.

00:25:01.000 So you think, basically, you think that we can essentially innovate our way into a position where... I think we can eliminate chronic disease.

00:25:09.000 Do you think former President Trump and President Biden talk enough about this issue?

00:25:14.000 It seems to me... I think they talk zero about this issue.

00:25:16.000 The issue is, people always say that Trump and Biden, we have to choose.

00:25:21.000 There's this, you know, this apocalyptic choice.

00:25:25.000 Between these two guys, and if you look at them, they are very different.

00:25:29.000 Their personalities are different, their dispositions are different, their ideologies, the way they approach issues and people.

00:25:39.000 If you actually look at the issues that they dispute on, it's a very narrow Overton window.

00:25:45.000 It's all these culture wars, it's abortion. 0.99

00:25:48.000 Guns, the border, trans rights, all important issues, but none of them are existential.

00:25:54.000 The existential issues they will never mention because they can't do anything about the budget deficit.

00:26:00.000 They cannot fix that because they're the ones that created it.

00:26:03.000 They can't create, you know, one other, the chronic disease epidemic they presided over.

00:26:09.000 The war machine, they're both, you know, they're both warmongers now.

00:26:13.000 Trump says he's not, but, you know, he just gave a bear hug to Speaker Johnson and then, you know, a kiss on the cheek to Biden and sent all that money to Ukraine.

00:26:23.000 Polarization, which is more toxic now in this country than any time since the American Civil War, and poisonous, and destructive, and it's all amplified by social media algorithms, and nobody even understands how they're working anymore.

00:26:37.000 They're all designed pour concrete on that polarization and divide us farther

00:26:42.000 and farther until we go into civil war.

00:26:44.000 Somebody's got to step in the middle and say I'm not just doing that. And neither of them can do it because they're

00:26:49.000 both the products of the polarization. They're both telling us to hate the other

00:26:52.000 guy and hate the other side.

00:26:54.000 They can't end it. I don't know how anyone could end it to be honest.

00:26:59.000 Look at my campaign.

00:27:01.000 I've got an equal number of people who are Trump, Biden, Republicans, Democrats, Independents.

00:27:06.000 I'm almost evenly divided.

00:27:08.000 I beat both Trump and Biden among Independents, which is now the biggest political party this year.

00:27:16.000 Independent, self-identified, for the first time in history, self-identified independents, 43% of the American public.

00:27:23.000 That's huge.

00:27:23.000 27% are Democrats, 27 Republicans, and I get them.

00:27:28.000 I beat them among people under 35. 0.97

00:27:33.000 And the reason, the way that I've done this is by not feeding into the vitriol, not feeding into the anger, not feeding into all of this.

00:27:44.000 But you were, I mean, you initially launched your campaign as a Democrat.

00:27:48.000 I guess my question would be, when did you stop being a Democrat?

00:27:51.000 Or are you still, how do you classify yourself?

00:27:54.000 Don't look at my announcement speech.

00:27:56.000 My whole announcement speech is, I'm not going to feed into this.

00:27:59.000 I'm not going to go to the culture war issues.

00:28:03.000 I'm going to focus on the values that hold Americans together, rather than these little issues that are orchestrated to keep us at each other's throats so that all the money continues flowing upward to BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard, which own today 89% of the S&P 500.

00:28:21.000 They're now trying to buy all the real estate in our country, and they're going to turn us from an ownership society into a rental society, and they love us hating each other because it keeps it all flowing upward.

00:28:32.000 I think you're right in identifying exercise crises, Black Rock State Street, etc.

00:28:37.000 But I do think that the culture war issues are another form of existential crisis.

00:28:41.000 Perhaps it's easier to say, if BlackRock buys up all the homes, it's harder and harder for working class people to get homes.

00:28:47.000 If there's collusion between big banks, Federal Reserve, and the government, they're gonna strangle out the working class and money overseas to wars we shouldn't be involved in, military bases. 0.86

00:28:56.000 But there are deep concerns about the birth rate, fertility rate, and that is abortion.

00:29:01.000 Abortion is an existential crisis, especially when we're looking at less than replacement rates.

00:29:06.000 First of all, I don't disagree with you on...

00:29:10.000 Abortion.

00:29:13.000 I want to do everything we can to end abortion. 0.98

00:29:15.000 Our plan, which is more choice, more life, is about addressing the fact that 52% of abortions in this country are among women who say that one of the major factors was Their inability to afford a baby, and I want to make sure that that is not their consideration.

00:29:33.000 But let me ask you this.

00:29:34.000 When you say the fertility problem is due to abortion, what do you mean by that?

00:29:38.000 Well, it's compounded by it.

00:29:40.000 So... You mean it's because fewer people are having babies?

00:29:43.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 I don't think abortion is the principal reason we're facing a replacement-level price problem.

00:29:49.000 There's a global fertility issue right now. 1.00

00:29:51.000 I would say that, you know, that has to do With toxics in the environment. 0.97

00:29:58.000 Plastics in the balls. 0.74

00:29:59.000 Well, there's a lot of stuff. 0.98

00:30:00.000 That's true, that was in the news!

00:30:01.000 No, no, no, there's PFAs, there's forever chemicals, there's astrazine, there's microplastics in male testicles, there's fluoride, there's glyphosate.

00:30:09.000 Out of all these things, what do you think is the biggest concern?

00:30:12.000 Because there's a lot of things in our environment.

00:30:15.000 When it comes to our larger health crisis, do you think it's PFAs, forever chemicals, astrazine, fluoride, microplastics, glyphosate?

00:30:22.000 What is the top concern for you, biologically?

00:30:26.000 I'll tell you something interesting which might answer that.

00:30:30.000 that. There are the you know the odds that we've got crises in four categories

00:30:38.000 diseases. Obesity which is sort of linked to diabetes, autoimmune disease,

00:30:47.000 Obesity's gone from when my uncle was president to about 13% to 50% of kids today obese or grossly overweight.

00:30:57.000 Autoimmune diseases with juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, lupus, all these exotic diseases.

00:31:04.000 Diabetes, when I was a kid, the average physician saw one case of diabetes in his lifetime.

00:31:11.000 Over 50-year career.

00:31:13.000 Today, one out of every three kids who walks through his office door is pre-diabetic or diabetic, and the cost of diabetes, which is mitochondrial dysfunction, is now larger than the military budget, and nobody's asking where this is coming from.

00:31:29.000 Neurological disease, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism.

00:31:37.000 When I was in my generation, 70-year-old men, The rate of autism is 1 in 10,000.

00:31:50.000 In my kids' generation, it's 1 in every 34.

00:31:52.000 According to CDC, 1 in every 22 boys.

00:31:55.000 So what happened?

00:31:57.000 And there's one other category, which is allergic diseases.

00:32:01.000 Um, which is peanut allergies, eczema, none of these.

00:32:05.000 I had 11 siblings and 70 cousins.

00:32:08.000 I never knew anybody with a food allergy, a peanut allergy.

00:32:11.000 But five of my seven, why do five of my seven kids have it?

00:32:14.000 What happened?

00:32:15.000 Something happened.

00:32:17.000 Nobody's asking what it is.

00:32:19.000 And There's an EPA, or Congress said to EPA, tell us what year the autism epidemic began.

00:32:28.000 And EPA is a captive agency, but it's captive by oil and coal, not by big pharma.

00:32:35.000 So it actually did a real study and it came back and said it's a red line 1989.

00:32:41.000 So there's, and as it turns out, almost all of these diseases follows that timeline.

00:32:46.000 This explosion of chronic disease, we go from 6% to 60%.

00:32:51.000 And there's a famous doctor, a toxicologist in New York named Phil Landrigan, and I've used him on a lot of my cases, you know, suing all kinds of big industries for toxins.

00:33:03.000 He's one of the most revered toxicologists in the world.

00:33:06.000 He looked at this issue and he said, you have to figure out a toxin And these are being called because this disease is being caused by toxic exposures.

00:33:17.000 It can't be genes.

00:33:18.000 Genes don't cause epidemics. 0.53

00:33:19.000 You need aid, environmental exposure.

00:33:23.000 And you know, the genes can provide a vulnerability, but you need that toxin.

00:33:26.000 So what could it be?

00:33:27.000 That became ubiquitous in 1989.

00:33:30.000 And there's a couple of other flags identifying signals.

00:33:33.000 One of those that in neurological injuries affect boys at a four or five to one rate as girls.

00:33:41.000 So, So he went and looked at this and he came down with about, he's done a series of papers on this question.

00:33:49.000 I'm getting to your answer.

00:33:52.000 He came down with about 13 things, and among them are glyphosate from Roundup, which follows that timeline exactly, neonicotinoid pesticides, atrazine, which is now in 70% of our water supply, PFOAs and PFASs, which are flame retardants.

00:34:13.000 I litigated the biggest case on that, and they made a movie about my case called Dark Waters.

00:34:19.000 And I was starring Mark Ruffalo as a flame retardant that was put in all of our kids' pajamas, all of our furniture that year, and, you know, around that time, 1989. 1.00

00:34:29.000 Fluorides, you know, all of these byproducts, these endocrine disruptors that are part of plastics.

00:34:36.000 High fructose corn syrup.

00:34:38.000 Oh, wow.

00:34:38.000 Right?

00:34:42.000 And then cell phone radiation.

00:34:44.000 One of the exposures, ultrasound, which I don't think has a lot to do with it, but it became ubiquitous on exactly that timeline.

00:34:53.000 So, you know, the problem is that NIH will not let anybody study this.

00:35:00.000 If you're a scientist, you try to study this, you can't get funded.

00:35:03.000 And if you do manage to get funded, your career is over.

00:35:07.000 They will destroy you.

00:35:09.000 Oh, NIH, well, NIH has turned from when I was a kid, it did cutting-edge science, it was the gold standard science agency in the world, now it is just an incubator for pharmaceutical products.

00:35:23.000 So, I want to go to the broader, because I want to try and get as many subjects in as possible, but back to abortion and the fertility rate, just to stay on that point and elaborate.

00:35:35.000 You mentioned existential crisis, the things that Biden and Trump aren't talking about, the things you are talking about, especially what you just talked about, I think, is one of the most important.

00:35:42.000 And I'll add this as an aside.

00:35:43.000 In our studio, we do have plastic bottled water, we do, but we have refillable glass bottles for people to take if you don't want to use the plastic for this reason.

00:35:52.000 And then we have plastic because it is ubiquitous.

00:35:54.000 It's like, what am I going to do?

00:35:56.000 I'm going to order... It's hard to live without it.

00:35:59.000 But we bought reusable glass bottles that we fill up with our own filtered well water, specifically because of the issue of, you know, biphenols and all of these things.

00:36:08.000 But the issue with abortion, there are people on the right who have, they've brought this up to us on the show, pro-lifers, people who want to see it banned federally in every capacity, saying when you're dealing with below replacement level fertility, Abortion just exacerbates the issue.

00:36:23.000 So to them it does seem existential.

00:36:25.000 I don't know that abortion is the principal reason for dropping infertility.

00:36:28.000 I think a lot of everything you brought up is actually a really good reason for this toxic exposure and all these things.

00:36:34.000 But my point ultimately was that abortion certainly is existential for a lot of people if baby's lives are being ended.

00:36:42.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:36:43.000 I think we need a government that prioritizes the family.

00:36:46.000 I don't think, I think the argument, you kind of lose me on the argument about abortion and the decline, fertility rate decline and decline in population that we need to force women to carry babies to term in order to keep a national population.

00:37:10.000 I don't think that's, to me that's not a compelling argument.

00:37:13.000 The compelling argument is the immoral argument that Abortion, at some point, particularly when the baby reaches viability, at the end of the term is like homicide, right?

00:37:29.000 And throughout, people have different arguments, different opinions of it, and I respect everybody's opinion, but there's a moral case from day one.

00:37:41.000 We're not doing it, and that moral argument to me is the most compelling argument, and the most difficult argument, the most complex argument.

00:37:48.000 The other argument that you made about, you know, replacement rates is a really important argument for all these toxics in our environment.

00:37:59.000 When it comes to, you know, there's so many other complexities are, you know, the state can tell a woman who does not want to bring a child to term that you're going to be, you're going to force them to do that. 0.92

00:38:10.000 So, you know, these are all kind of very complex, difficult, heartbreaking issues.

00:38:16.000 And every abortion is a tragedy.

00:38:19.000 Everyone is a trauma.

00:38:22.000 To me, there's no simple issue.

00:38:23.000 I come from a family that is split on it.

00:38:27.000 I've gone back and forth on the issue.

00:38:29.000 When I learn more material, my position has shifted slightly.

00:38:36.000 But it's because it's such a tough issue.

00:38:40.000 I completely agree.

00:38:43.000 Of all the issues, this one has zero middle ground at all.

00:38:46.000 You got a lot of flack because you were in an interview where you said that the state and the federal government should not be involved in any capacity.

00:38:54.000 And you were asked, should abortion be allowed even up to full term?

00:38:57.000 You had said yes.

00:38:58.000 You had then changed your position.

00:39:00.000 Do you want to clarify?

00:39:01.000 Do you want me to tell you the evolution of my thinking?

00:39:04.000 Yeah, that'd be great, absolutely.

00:39:06.000 So, you know, what I always say to people is you can never convince me of things by

00:39:11.000 telling me it's the politically, you know, beneficial thing to do or by calling me names

00:39:20.000 or by doing all the things that I've had, all the defamations and perjuries that have

00:39:26.000 been applied to me.

00:39:28.000 That's not going to change my mind about anything.

00:39:30.000 What will change my mind is the facts.

00:39:33.000 So my original position on abortion, which made sense to me when I was asked just off the cuff without thinking about it by an NBC When I was in Iowa, he said, what's your position?

00:39:49.000 And I said, well, I think it has to be up to a woman, 100% up to a woman, up to the point of viability, and then the state has an escalating interest in protecting that life.

00:40:00.000 So I got a tremendous amount of flack from the left and also at home from my wife, her sisters, her sister and her sister's wife.

00:40:12.000 We're big supporters of mine, but we're absolutely, it is always a woman's choice. 0.99

00:40:17.000 You know, in the state, you've been a medical freedom advocate for your entire life.

00:40:22.000 You've been fighting for people's bodily autonomy more than anybody in this country.

00:40:27.000 You've taken more flak from it.

00:40:28.000 Now you're trying to take that choice away from the woman. 0.92

00:40:31.000 And, you know, and so I then changed my position and said, it's a woman's choice right up to the end.

00:40:39.000 Now the question for me was, My assumption and my wife's assumption is there's no woman

00:40:48.000 who is going to get pregnant and carry that pregnancy to nine months and have 0.99

00:40:52.000 an abortion. You know, both ninth month, who would do that? 1.00

00:40:56.000 The only reason that would happen in my mind was if the, if either the baby had some illness that he was only going

00:41:05.000 to live for maybe 24 hours or two weeks and then have an agonizing death or if

00:41:11.000 the mother's life, there's a medical issue with the mother's life is at risk.

00:41:17.000 And in those cases particularly, I don't want to invite the state in to have anything to do with it.

00:41:22.000 I don't want a bureaucrat having anything to do with it.

00:41:24.000 The mother should be making that decision. 1.00

00:41:28.000 Even if she prioritizes herself over the unborn child?

00:41:30.000 What?

00:41:31.000 Like, even if she prioritizes herself over the unborn child?

00:41:33.000 Because you're talking about bodily autonomy, but in this case, the baby wouldn't have bodily autonomy.

00:41:38.000 They wouldn't even have a choice.

00:41:39.000 I would say that, yes, it's the mother in that situation.

00:41:45.000 If the mother has a risk of her life, and she has to abort the baby, or to save her life, I would say yes. 0.98

00:41:56.000 That's the mother's choice, always. 1.00

00:41:59.000 And you can differ with me on that.

00:42:01.000 To me, that is the moral and ethical position.

00:42:05.000 However, after I gave that interview, A number of people contacted me, including many from my campaign and many outside of my campaign, and they showed me that actually there are a fair number of thousands of elective abortions that occur in the eighth and ninth months.

00:42:29.000 And I showed that data to my wife and her sisters and they said, okay, we got it.

00:42:37.000 And so I changed my position, back to essentially my original position.

00:42:42.000 And I didn't say to my wife, I told you so, because that would have made my life even more difficult.

00:42:49.000 But I changed it back.

00:42:53.000 Original position, which is that the state has an escalating interest in that child once they retry it.

00:42:59.000 I got some constitutional questions for you to elaborate on this and then to go into gun rights.

00:43:03.000 So the 14th amendment says in section 1, all persons born or naturalized in the United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof and subject to jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

00:43:15.000 No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

00:43:29.000 What I find interesting in this is that person and citizen is a distinction, and this has led to interpretations, as well as other amendments, that tourists, for instance, are protected under the Constitution because they are a person, not a citizen, but they shall not be deprived of life, liberty, or property.

00:43:47.000 When I look at this, I feel like there's only one conclusion.

00:43:52.000 If the Supreme Court were to rule on the matter, I don't see how you would claim that a baby at nine months is not a person.

00:44:01.000 Now you're talking a legal application rather than a moral application.

00:44:09.000 Absolutely.

00:44:11.000 Read me again, because I'm not seeing this.

00:44:14.000 Read me the first.

00:44:16.000 The first line of Section 1 is, all persons born or naturalized in the U.S.

00:44:19.000 and subject to its jurisdiction are citizens.

00:44:21.000 It then later states, after a semicolon, nor shall any state deprive any person.

00:44:24.000 is born. No it's not. So it says all persons born or naturalized in the US

00:44:28.000 and subject to his jurisdiction are citizens. It then later states after a

00:44:32.000 after a semicolon, nor shall any state deprive any person.

00:44:36.000 There's a distinction between person and citizen. Okay well you if

00:44:42.000 you're asking me to give you lawyers advice about whether that's a... I'm not

00:44:49.000 asking you to interpret.

00:44:51.000 I'm saying that if someone is a tourist... You can make that argument.

00:44:53.000 I get the argument.

00:44:54.000 Again, I don't think the legal argument is convincing.

00:44:57.000 I think the moral and ethical arguments are much more convincing.

00:45:00.000 So my question is, the reason there's a distinction between citizen and person is that if someone is a tourist from, say, India to the United States, They have free speech.

00:45:11.000 They have many rights.

00:45:13.000 They're protected under the Constitution.

00:45:14.000 Speedy trial.

00:45:15.000 All of these things.

00:45:16.000 And it's why there's a distinction between person and citizen.

00:45:20.000 I believe that there's a philosophical conundrum on the issue of abortion, and I'm not saying you have to agree, and I'm not saying that this is absolute, I'm saying that when you look at, you have two women. 0.97

00:45:32.000 They have both been, they're both pregnant, they've been pregnant for an identical amount of time, nine months.

00:45:37.000 One woman goes into early labor and gives birth to her child, the other woman does not. 1.00

00:45:41.000 The babies are identical in every way, just hypothetically speaking, but one was born and one wasn't.

00:45:47.000 Right now in the United States, we recognize in some states the rights of the baby as it is in the womb. 0.85

00:45:53.000 Like, I believe in California, if a crime is committed against the woman that kills the baby, it's considered double murder, double homicide.

00:45:59.000 But, as an individual, only after birth, I see a legal conundrum there which presents an interesting challenge in the Constitution as to how the Supreme Court would rule on personhood.

00:46:13.000 I'm just curious, your thoughts on, I suppose, maybe, I don't know, would you abstain on the issue, or do you think that a baby at nine months is a person, or not a person, or is it... Well, again, I don't think the leap, bringing in the legal definitions for me it's also it's not helpful to your argument because it says born and I understand you're making a distinction between if you're a citizen you have to be born and if you're a person it's ambiguous whether you're a person or persons the question is what does a person say right but anyway what I would say to you Tim is that for me

00:46:55.000 The question is not whether you want to untangle legal language and see if it's applicable.

00:47:00.000 If you want to do that, bring the lawsuit and go to the Supreme Court and see what they say.

00:47:05.000 And, you know, I can make a bet on what they'd say and you can make a bet.

00:47:09.000 We may bet the same, we may bet different.

00:47:13.000 But the question here that's difficult for me is not this question.

00:47:18.000 The question here is the moral question and the ethical question.

00:47:23.000 And I, you know, I'm not claiming to have resolved those.

00:47:26.000 I'm just claiming to have A solution that is, to me, is the most livable solution in a very difficult, impossible, ethical question.

00:47:44.000 I think the main challenge, the reason why I bring this up, the reason why I go for the 14th is, when you look at a state like Oklahoma, they've banned abortion now, right?

00:47:51.000 When you look at Colorado, they've unrestricted it to the point of birth.

00:47:54.000 So, we were talking about hyper-polarization and, you know, launching off from the question of abortion, because I don't really want to have another, you know, five-year debate on abortion.

00:48:03.000 I understand, there's no middle ground, but you can see this polarization where, when I argue with progressives, basically a similar position to you, I mostly agree with your position, They say I'm pro-life.

00:48:17.000 When I say that if the baby can survive, there's no reason to kill it.

00:48:20.000 And, you know, I think elective abortion is wrong.

00:48:23.000 Like everything you said, it's a tragedy, it shouldn't happen.

00:48:26.000 I find challenges in how the law would actually step in to determine when abortions could or couldn't happen.

00:48:32.000 I don't have good answers for it.

00:48:34.000 Progressives call me pro-life for saying that.

00:48:36.000 And conservatives call me pro-choice.

00:48:38.000 Well, I mean, I would think you'd be proud to be pro-life.

00:48:40.000 My cousin, Anthony Shriver, who's working on my campaign, is Radically pro-life, and he's proud of it, and, you know, Angelus and King.

00:48:51.000 ...who is working on my campaign, who's a close advisor to me, um, is radically pro-life, and she's proud of it, and I respect them, I respect their commitment, I'm not claiming I'm right about this, you know, morally, I'm gonna have to talk to God at some point, and justify my positions, and I'm just doing my best with it, I'm not, but I, I, what I want to do is have, do the best I can to have people just stop hating each other on this issue.

00:49:17.000 I agree, I agree.

00:49:19.000 We could agree to disagree.

00:49:20.000 I'm pro-life, but we thank you for kind of explaining your thought process going through it.

00:49:24.000 If you could, could you also do that with the Second Amendment?

00:49:27.000 That's what I was going to ask next.

00:49:28.000 Because last year you were arguing for an assault weapons ban.

00:49:32.000 It does look like you changed your position on that.

00:49:35.000 I don't think I was ever arguing for an assault weapons ban.

00:49:37.000 No, no, you did.

00:49:39.000 You said, quote, if we can get consensus on it, if Republicans and Democrats agree to it, and it passes Congress, I would sign it, specifically talking about an assault weapons ban.

00:49:49.000 So it does look like you changed your position.

00:49:51.000 Why did you change your position, and was there a legitimate reason, or is this kind of electioneering?

00:49:58.000 Yeah, I don't do electioneering.

00:50:00.000 Oh, and anybody who looks at my Record over, you know, 40 years.

00:50:06.000 I think it's pretty obvious that, you know, I'm not swayed by, you know, by the political winds, or I would have done, I would have lived my life very, very differently.

00:50:17.000 I've taken on very difficult issues my whole life, and I've stuck with them even when the entire world was against me.

00:50:23.000 So that's not what I do.

00:50:26.000 You know, on this issue, My position and what I said is that I'm not going to take anybody's guns away.

00:50:34.000 I don't believe and I don't think it's the right.

00:50:37.000 I just don't think it's right.

00:50:43.000 Thinking on a lot of these issues evolved after, during COVID.

00:50:48.000 So, you know, I would say during COVID, you know, I saw this assault on the Constitution and understand that, you know, it's something that we really need to be worried about in the Second Amendment.

00:51:00.000 It's part of the Constitution.

00:51:03.000 I'm a Constitutionalist.

00:51:04.000 What I said is that if I'm not fighting for an assault weapons ban, if both houses of Congress, bipartisan, Republicans and Democrats, all of a sudden came with a bill that they'd already passed, am I going to veto it on some kind of gun control measure, some kind of assault weapons ban?

00:51:28.000 Do you see that that will ever happen?

00:51:30.000 I don't think so.

00:51:31.000 Well, if the Democrats take Congress, they could, and it does look like the Democrats will.

00:51:35.000 Well, but it wouldn't be bipartisan.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, like a bipartisan bill.

00:51:38.000 I've always said that.

00:51:39.000 So let me just, can I give you, you know, my idea about something?

00:51:46.000 You can always just slide it forward, too.

00:51:48.000 I think the big issue Or that makes this such a toxic issue now is because of all the school shootings and the mass killings that involve weapons, involve, you know, firearms.

00:52:04.000 I look at this issue the same way I do to the chronic disease epidemic, and I say to myself, why is it happening?

00:52:13.000 There's been no increase in guns since 1970.

00:52:16.000 I think there's been one increase in the gun per household since 1970.

00:52:22.000 There's been no legislation that changed guns ownership.

00:52:26.000 When I was a kid, at my schools, we had gun clubs.

00:52:29.000 People brought their guns to school.

00:52:32.000 Nobody was shooting children.

00:52:33.000 Nobody was shooting strangers.

00:52:35.000 Something happened.

00:52:36.000 Something happened.

00:52:39.000 When they change it, and it's happening in this country, and it's not happening elsewhere in the world.

00:52:44.000 Switzerland, which has comparable numbers of guns, it's like maybe half or 70% or whatever it is.

00:52:51.000 The last mass shooting in Switzerland, there's guns in every house in Switzerland.

00:52:55.000 It's a law that requires it.

00:52:57.000 The last mass shooting in Switzerland was 21 years ago.

00:53:01.000 We have one every 21 hours.

00:53:03.000 So what is causing it?

00:53:05.000 The guns are a co-variable, but it doesn't fit.

00:53:10.000 So what is causing it?

00:53:11.000 It's usually gang-on-gang violence.

00:53:13.000 I'm talking about school shootings, not gang-on-gang violence.

00:53:18.000 What I would say is there's some kind of exposure that's happening.

00:53:24.000 And, you know, when the Columbine attacks occurred, five of the families sued Prozac.

00:53:32.000 And ever since then, there have been studies, although this is not an issue that is studied enough, and it's not studied using federal funding, but the impact of SSRIs and Benzos on the potential impact on gun violence. This is one

00:53:52.000 possible thing that needs to be studied.

00:53:55.000 Every, all of those products have black box warnings on them.

00:53:58.000 That say that they may cause homicidal or suicidal behavior.

00:54:04.000 So they have that on their on their labels, on their manufacturers inserts.

00:54:10.000 So obviously that should be a suspect.

00:54:12.000 And the timeline, there's 120 million SSRA prescriptions every year, 120 million benzo prescriptions, and then there's other 120 million Adderall prescriptions, right?

00:54:24.000 And it says on the box.

00:54:27.000 Now we don't know, we don't, it's very hard to tell, it's hard to do studies.

00:54:33.000 One is, There was a law passed in 1997 and a policy adopted by NIH to not study the ideology or the origins of gun violence.

00:54:43.000 So there's really almost no studies out there.

00:54:47.000 So you're saying that the issue of gun violence is an issue of mental health and toxic exposure?

00:54:51.000 And something else.

00:54:52.000 Look, just use your common sense.

00:54:56.000 Maybe it's social media.

00:54:58.000 Social media could be video games.

00:55:01.000 It could be Benzos.

00:55:02.000 It could be SSRIs.

00:55:03.000 Why are we studying these things?

00:55:05.000 I mean, you've all parents are suing a video game maker in response to this.

00:55:10.000 I would say, to me, the most likely, the thing that we should be studying is SSRIs, and nobody can really study it because of the HIPAA laws.

00:55:20.000 When there's these mass shootings occur, You never know if the guy was on SSRIs, but it's impossible to find out, but NIH could find out.

00:55:30.000 So, I agree.

00:55:32.000 I think probably we all agree on toxic exposure, drugs, benzos, SSRIs, all of these things are worrisome, but ultimately for me, You know, I lived in New Jersey, and we had a guy try to break into my house.

00:55:46.000 I'm not a- I- I- They say I can have a gun.

00:55:48.000 They made it as hard as possible for me to have a gun.

00:55:50.000 The cops told me when they came to my house after I called the police, they said, if it were me, I'd have answered the door with a shotgun.

00:55:54.000 And I said, oh yeah, well, if I could get one.

00:55:56.000 And so, when I was finally able to get one, I was informed by the police that in New Jersey, you have a duty to retreat from your own home.

00:56:03.000 So I'm in my own home in New Jersey.

00:56:05.000 Someone breaks in with a gun and yells that they're going to kill me.

00:56:08.000 I am legally required to seek exodus from my own home.

00:56:13.000 And I asked the cop, I was like, where would I go?

00:56:15.000 It's my house.

00:56:15.000 And he goes, well, if you say that, you're telling the court you'd rather kill a man than stand outside in the cold.

00:56:20.000 And they're going to put you in prison.

00:56:22.000 I asked him, what would happen if someone broke into my house with intent to kill me and I defended myself with a weapon?

00:56:27.000 He says, easy.

00:56:28.000 You'd be arrested, charged with felony murder.

00:56:30.000 You'd go to prison.

00:56:32.000 You'd have your bail hearing.

00:56:33.000 If you don't get it, you wait in jail until... You don't go to prison, you go to jail.

00:56:36.000 You wait your hearing until you get your day in court with your affirmative defense of self-defense.

00:56:40.000 Good luck with that.

00:56:41.000 You had a woman who drove from PA into Jersey, an older, middle-aged woman, going to Atlantic City, got pulled over, told the cop, this is a famous story in Jersey, that she was a law-abiding citizen, and she said, I just want to let you know that I have my gun on me, and he said, out of the car, you're under arrest, felony charge.

00:56:57.000 I moved to West Virginia, constitutional carry.

00:57:00.000 And you know, for me, and you know better than anyone, the threats that, you know, with crazy people who are trying to cause harm.

00:57:08.000 So for me, I understand all the stuff about drugs and gun violence and mass shootings, but I won't tolerate, because of the escalation in crime and violence, me losing my right to defend myself and my family and my property.

00:57:23.000 So my point ultimately is, Outside of the issue of toxic exposure and shootings, what's your position on 2A, preserving gun rights?

00:57:33.000 I believe in the Constitution and I believe in the right to bear arms.

00:57:39.000 My argument then goes beyond and says we have to repeal the National Firearms Act and its add-ons.

00:57:46.000 I believe it's unconstitutional.

00:57:49.000 I can ask you a simple question right now, actually.

00:57:51.000 Do you think private entities in the United States should have the right to own nuclear weapons?

00:57:57.000 But they do.

00:57:58.000 And this is something, whenever I talk to anybody in office, they always say no.

00:58:04.000 It should not be of the person.

00:58:06.000 Lockheed Martin maintains and produces nuclear weapons.

00:58:09.000 They're a private entity, and they do it internationally.

00:58:11.000 So it's always been in the United States that there are privateers, there's Corsairs, individuals are able to own warships.

00:58:18.000 While we have made many strides, like D.C.

00:58:20.000 v. Heller, the right to keep and bear arms, we have these laws that restrict the individual while allowing these massive, multinational, warmonger corporations to have nukes.

00:58:28.000 Why can't I have... Look, I live in my house.

00:58:32.000 I want a short-barreled rifle with a suppressor so that I'm less likely to cause harm to people, so that I can target only on those who are threatening my life.

00:58:42.000 But it's damn near impossible, because of the NFA, for me to actually get a weapon that is appropriate, safer.

00:58:50.000 So I'm curious, would you go beyond, would you work to repeal these laws, or you keep it as is?

00:58:55.000 Would you repeal the NFA and red flag laws?

00:58:56.000 I don't know enough about the NFA, and I'm not going to make a...

00:59:02.000 I'm not going to make a statement about something I know absolutely nothing about, and I would like to look, I would need to look at a lot of data and all that, but you know.

00:59:02.000 Fair point, fair point.

00:59:11.000 Mr. Kennedy, one of the things you mentioned, you're talking about SSRIs and mass shootings and stuff.

00:59:16.000 Most of the time when you're talking about mass shooting, or when mass shootings are discussed in press or in the media, it's not the type of mass shooting that tends to come to mind when you hear the term.

00:59:28.000 So anytime more than two people are shot, They consider that a mass shooting, but that could be someone, you know, that could be drug violence, gang violence and stuff like that, which is different than the massacre type where you get someone with a rifle going into a school or something like that.

00:59:44.000 But he was referring to schools specifically.

00:59:46.000 And fair enough.

00:59:46.000 Let me draw the distinction.

00:59:47.000 So I do think that whereas mass shootings as a concept is something that we have to worry about, but what do you think are the best policies to fix the I don't want to sound callous, but the everyday gun violence that we see, the stuff that happens daily in cities across the country, because as much as the mass shootings that we see, the rifles and stuff like that, the schools, hospitals, whatever, they're horrifying and they're terrible and they get attention.

01:00:15.000 The real death toll is the people that die every day in your violence in the cities.

01:00:20.000 So what do you think, what would your plan be to combat that kind of stuff if there is a role for the federal government?

01:00:27.000 I mean, listen, I'd love to hear what your solution is.

01:00:31.000 my solution is good policing. You know, I think we need to, one, we need to reduce

01:00:40.000 the interactions, the negative interactions between police and

01:00:44.000 minorities, which is a big issue in this country, but we don't do that by

01:00:48.000 defunding the police.

01:00:49.000 We need a strong police force.

01:00:51.000 The way that I would work it is that I would, you know, the same way that I work schools and charter schools, is to give the police chiefs of these municipalities a lot of power but also tremendous responsibility so that if there are racial incidents while you are police chief that you know you get you get three strikes and maybe and you're out and you're banned from from being a police chief in the next town.

01:01:20.000 And so you give responsibility to them, but you also give the power to them to protect people, but you hold them responsible.

01:01:29.000 And I think that that's the way to clean up some of the problems in the police force.

01:01:33.000 But I would not do it by defunding the police.

01:01:37.000 That doesn't seem to me like a good idea from day one.

01:01:41.000 Do you think our culture values police, or do you think attitudes towards policing has declined since COVID and all the rioting over the summer?

01:01:47.000 Do I think what?

01:01:48.000 Our culture values police.

01:01:51.000 Cultural values?

01:01:52.000 Like, does our culture as Americans value police officers?

01:01:55.000 Because you saw a backlash to the police, especially after George Floyd's death.

01:01:58.000 Well, I mean, I do.

01:01:59.000 So, you know, I grew up with My father was the chief law enforcement officer in the land.

01:02:09.000 I grew up with a lot of affection for police and firefighters.

01:02:19.000 And that's my orientation.

01:02:23.000 And a lot of my friends are cops, but I'm not blind to the fact that there are racial problems also in these.

01:02:31.000 If you're a black kid, you're much more likely to get arrested, and I don't think that's right.

01:02:37.000 I think we have to try to fix that, what's wrong with the police, but we don't do that by making All police feel badly, and I think we need to support the police.

01:02:48.000 They put their lives on the lines every day, and we need to support them.

01:02:51.000 We need to give them good work environments where, you know, the people who are the bad apples are taken out, and where they're given good training on de-escalating, you know, difficult situations.

01:03:05.000 And, you know, I know a lot of this.

01:03:08.000 I've seen enough of these studies that You know, there's two groups that are responsible for these kind of bad incidences, and one is bad apples, who have a disproportionate number of them, and then young cops who just don't know how to de-escalate.

01:03:26.000 They go into a situation where they're unfamiliar in a territory, a part of the city, they're frightened.

01:03:33.000 And they don't have the skills or the training to de-escalate, so I think that needs to happen, too.

01:03:39.000 So, a lot of the things you say, I agree with.

01:03:42.000 You know, I'm a... I guess disaffected liberal is the way that I usually describe myself.

01:03:48.000 Post-liberal in some ways.

01:03:50.000 The left just calls me right-wing or whatever, fine.

01:03:52.000 You know, Elon Musk posted that meme, I don't know if you saw it, where the guy's standing on the left, but then the left moves super far away.

01:03:58.000 But, you know, you had called Columbus Day Indigenous People's Day.

01:04:03.000 And for me... When was that?

01:04:06.000 You had a rally, I believe it was on Columbus Day, in which you referred to it as Indigenous Peoples Day.

01:04:11.000 I thought that was when you announced you're running as an independent.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, was that?

01:04:16.000 I just checked, I just made sure that, you know, I had the statement correct.

01:04:20.000 October 10th, 2023, the examiner reported on you referring to Columbus Day as Indigenous People Day, saying that you spoke about Your father's visit to Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in 1968, gratefully the renaming of Columbus Day as Indigenous People's Day, shows that our country is now ready to explore and to tell each other the untold histories of those dispossessed people who have previously languished on the margins, Kennedy said.

01:04:45.000 Whatever you might think of such sentiments, it is not the stuff of Republican campaign rallies.

01:04:51.000 I'm not a fan of the Confederacy by any means, but tearing down the statues unilaterally through activist efforts was terrifying.

01:05:00.000 Not only did they tear down the statues through violent force without any kind of democratic process or legislative process, they tore down statues of Hans Christian Haag, who was a Union soldier fighting against slavery, wasn't even an American, didn't own slaves, and they tore down Frederick Douglass, who was a former slave, who was amazing, and fought against slavery.

01:05:16.000 When I see things like this, it's particularly worrying to me because erasing our history doesn't do anything but make us repeat it.

01:05:23.000 It dooms us.

01:05:25.000 So I'm curious your thoughts on ideas like this, what people would refer to... Well, first of all, I don't think I ever said we should get rid of Columbus Day and replace it with Indigenous People Day, but I've spent 20% of my career defending and representing the tribes in the United States and in Canada and Latin America suing big corporate polluters who are destroying their land, suing governments who have stolen their land, and making sure that they're treated fairly.

01:06:02.000 And you know, I think it's important for us to be part of a community where we can recognize all kinds of people.

01:06:09.000 We can recognize Italian-Americans don't whom that is an important holiday. 0.99

01:06:13.000 And at the same time, we can recognize the indigenous people were, you know, made the ultimate sacrifice of one of the greatest genocides in history.

01:06:22.000 And that, you know, they're right.

01:06:24.000 You know, my father always believed that our country would never live up to its ideals if we didn't make some kind of amends, meaningful amends to the, you know, to the group that was exterminated.

01:06:42.000 In order for us to settle in this country, and I think it's a good aspiration for every American.

01:06:47.000 I don't think it should be a left-wing or right-wing.

01:06:50.000 I agree with you about the statues.

01:06:53.000 I don't think...

01:06:55.000 I don't think it's a good, healthy thing for any culture to erase its history.

01:07:00.000 So would you condemn Charlottesville melting down the Robert E. Lee statue?

01:07:03.000 They gave it to the African American History Museum and then you got those horrifying photos.

01:07:07.000 I have a visceral reaction against the attacks on those statues.

01:07:16.000 I mean, I grew up in Virginia.

01:07:20.000 I know that there were heroes in the Confederacy who didn't have slaves, and I just have a visceral reaction against destroying history.

01:07:34.000 I don't like it.

01:07:36.000 I think we should celebrate who we are.

01:07:39.000 And that, you know, we should celebrate the good qualities of everybody.

01:07:43.000 If we want to find people who are completely virtuous on every issue throughout history, we would erase all of history.

01:07:51.000 And, you know, values change throughout history.

01:07:55.000 We need to be able to be sophisticated enough to live with, you know, our ancestors who didn't agree with us on everything and who did things that are now, you know, regarded as immoral or, you know, or wrong because they, you know, maybe they had other qualities that we want to celebrate.

01:08:15.000 And clearly, Robert E. Lee had extraordinary qualities of leadership.

01:08:21.000 And, you know, I don't think that I wouldn't have done that.

01:08:25.000 You, uh, so it was your announcement as running as an independent candidate.

01:08:29.000 You said, it's a hopeful sign now for our country that we celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day.

01:08:33.000 It shows that we're ready as a nation.

01:08:35.000 It shows that our country is now ready to explore and to tell each other the untold histories of those dispossessed

01:08:39.000 people who have previously languished on the margins.

01:08:42.000 You have problems with that?

01:08:44.000 With changing the name of our holiday?

01:08:46.000 I didn't say we're changing the name.

01:08:48.000 But, so, you did.

01:08:49.000 People are welcome to call it Columbus Day, but it's also called Indigenous Peoples Day.

01:08:53.000 It's not.

01:08:53.000 This country's big enough for a lot of different people.

01:08:56.000 Sure, but the idea of Indigenous Peoples Day was literally to take the name Columbus away from it.

01:09:00.000 Well, that's your idea, it's not mine.

01:09:02.000 Well, the activists literally said they were changing the name of Columbus.

01:09:04.000 Yeah, but that's not my idea.

01:09:07.000 It's your, it may be, Or maybe activists who want to do that, but you know, I feel like the indigenous people should have a day, if it don't overlap, there's many many holidays that overlap with each other and that, you know, we shouldn't be taking away from one group to give to another, but I do think

01:09:27.000 we need to make a larger commitment to indigenous people because they have been systematically robbed

01:09:34.000 and cheated and we need to do what we can as a country to make sure that there's some kind of

01:09:44.000 amends for that past. I agree that an Indigenous People's Day is fine,

01:09:51.000 but it literally did start as a counter to Columbus Day.

01:09:55.000 That's your beef, you know.

01:09:57.000 Absolutely it is.

01:09:58.000 It's not the way that I look at it.

01:10:04.000 I respect that you stand by it.

01:10:05.000 I think for a lot of people, these are the cultural issues that we feel is existential.

01:10:11.000 To have a holiday that we grew up with, to understand why it was good, despite bad things about Columbus, for sure, and colonization in general, we celebrate the good things, we try to condemn the bad and maintain the good.

01:10:23.000 I grew up, it was an Italian holiday.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:10:27.000 And I think that that's kind of the justification for We're keeping it not, you know, whether Columbus was a hero or a villain, but the fact that this is a way, like we have St.

01:10:38.000 Patrick's Day for the Irish.

01:10:43.000 It's an Italian holiday, and I'm not saying it should stop being an Italian holiday.

01:10:48.000 We can celebrate the contribution of the Italians, their country, and we can celebrate Contributions to the indigenous people of this country.

01:10:57.000 Perhaps on the next speech you give, you can say, on this Indigenous People's Day and Columbus Day, we are here to say... I'm not going to let you write my speeches for me. 0.96

01:11:05.000 Well, I mean, the concern is, if your worldview is shifted, that Columbus Day is no longer the day you're celebrating.

01:11:13.000 You're celebrating the counter-protest.

01:11:15.000 That says a lot about how you see the world.

01:11:16.000 Let me tell you something, Tim.

01:11:19.000 I respect you a lot.

01:11:21.000 But I think what I've tried to do in this campaign is to not get sucked into culture war issues that I consider distractions.

01:11:32.000 I think the big issues that we should be talking about, which you started with, is the fact that 57% of the people in this country cannot put their hands on $1,000 because if there's an emergency in their family, and if you are in that cohort, And the engine light comes on in your car, it's the apocalypse, because you know you can't afford that mechanic, you're not going to be able to get to work, and you're not going to be able to pay your rent, and you're going to end up on the side of the local homeless, and you're going to be circling a drain.

01:12:07.000 And, you know, what BlackRock wants is for us to ignore the contribution they've made and the Fed has made and all of these big Wall Streets made to this situation and keep us fighting about Columbus Day or Indigenous People's Day.

01:12:24.000 I'm not feeding into that.

01:12:25.000 These are economic issues and that's why I'm running.

01:12:28.000 I'm not running to feed into culture war issues on either side.

01:12:32.000 You can dispute these activists any way you want.

01:12:37.000 I'm not going to get involved in that issue.

01:12:39.000 But my point is, I completely agree with you about Black Rock State Street, Vanguard, all of these companies, the foreign influence on our social media.

01:12:47.000 Before it was TikTok, we had concerns about Saudi investors with pieces of... Look, I'm more concerned about the NSA and Facebook.

01:12:58.000 You know, and the CIA scraping all of our information, Facebook as much as the Chinese are scraping, you know, posts about teenage girls' kitty cats. 0.91

01:13:10.000 You know, we have all the things that Edward Snowden told us, that these companies are The CIA, if you have an abuser who's outside of your house, it's scary.

01:13:26.000 And if you have the abuser inside of your house, it's much more frightening.

01:13:30.000 And I'm more scared, more concerned about the CIA and the NSA manipulating public perceptions, censoring us, propagandizing us, using these social media sites to do that.

01:13:45.000 And I am against the Chinese. 1.00

01:13:47.000 Listen, if we're really concerned about the Chinese, Here's what we should be concerned about. 1.00

01:13:52.000 I've litigated against Smithfield Foods for years for polluting vast, vast landscapes in this country.

01:13:59.000 Smithfield controls 30-40% of pork production in this country and the landscapes in states like North Carolina, Iowa, all over this country.

01:14:08.000 They're now 100% owned by the Chinese.

01:14:11.000 That is a threat.

01:14:13.000 You know, the Chinese are buying our landscapes, they're buying our food, they're controlling our universities, they're giving billions of dollars to universities and, you know, scraping information, high technology information. 0.99

01:14:25.000 They're deeply embedded with NIH and getting, you know, making bioweapons with them.

01:14:31.000 They are the principal creditor now in every nation in Latin America, because we're spending $8 trillion on wars, and they're bombing bridges and ports and schools and universities. 0.93

01:14:45.000 Over that same period, they've spent $8 trillion building ports and roads and schools, and they're projecting economic power abroad, and we're projecting military power, and they're killing us because of that.

01:14:55.000 And we ought to be actually dealing with the real threat from China. 0.98

01:15:01.000 And not about silly issues like TikTok.

01:15:05.000 You know what?

01:15:05.000 I don't think, personally, I give you advice, which I know you won't take and you don't need, but this kind of issue I think detracts from your credibility.

01:15:14.000 Let's talk about this.

01:15:16.000 You got into this because of...

01:15:19.000 Because of Wall Street.

01:15:20.000 and i think it's fair to say that we waited an hour and fifteen minutes before bringing up issues

01:15:24.000 like this for a reason. Why i say in the beginning we start with war and and and like spending issues

01:15:31.000 because i do recognize those are important but we talk about uh there's a reason why tiktok is in

01:15:35.000 the news. Tiktok's algorithms manipulate people's brains and it is a digital toxin that these kids

01:15:41.000 are that kids are being exposed to. The same is true for uh less so x now but x is a huge porn

01:15:46.000 problem now and people are wondering why you know elon is struggling with this and they're hoping he

01:15:50.000 takes care of it. Facebook has algorithmic manipulation all of these things affect the

01:15:54.000 underlying culture of our of our next generation so when you have i agree 100 percent

01:16:00.000 What do we do about it?

01:16:01.000 It's not getting China out, it isn't going to take it, isn't it? 1.00

01:16:04.000 Well, I think when I look at the issue of social media manipulation and TikTok, for instance, at the very least we have seen FOIA requests of the US government, which has resulted in, we learned, Twitter, when it was still Twitter, was in regular communication with the federal government to suppress and censor negative information.

01:16:22.000 Alex Berenson, for instance, That came from my lawsuit.

01:16:25.000 Absolutely, fantastic work.

01:16:26.000 You know, Trudy Verges Biden, our discovery, just showed what they're doing.

01:16:31.000 And that's one of the most important things that's happened in my lifetime, so I appreciate the work you've done on that.

01:16:37.000 And on top of that, however, we can't do those same things to TikTok, which is outside of the U.S.' 's control.

01:16:43.000 So whatever your solution may be on that issue, the same thing that we see with Twitter, Maybe X less so now, but Facebook especially, and YouTube, is happening with TikTok.

01:16:55.000 No question, only it's a foreign adversary now. 0.88

01:16:58.000 So it is something we have to deal with.

01:17:00.000 And I think it is more pressing because, you know, your lawsuit proves we can fight back and we can win to a certain degree.

01:17:07.000 And I think your position here right now actually shows that we can win tremendously.

01:17:11.000 How do we deal with China doing the exact same thing to us?

01:17:14.000 I'll tell you what, I would not ban TikTok.

01:17:20.000 First of all, I believe in freedom of information.

01:17:26.000 I think that everybody should be able to get information from any source.

01:17:31.000 I don't think we should be banning Al Jazeera.

01:17:33.000 I don't think we should be banning RTTV.

01:17:35.000 I want to hear everybody's information, everybody's position on all these different issues.

01:17:41.000 And allow me to make up my mind.

01:17:43.000 Here's the way that I would handle it.

01:17:45.000 Because I think the problem that you talked about is a universal problem.

01:17:50.000 It's not just TikTok.

01:17:52.000 It's not just China.

01:17:53.000 It is Facebook.

01:17:54.000 It's Twitter.

01:17:55.000 It's YouTube.

01:17:55.000 It's all of these.

01:17:56.000 It's Google.

01:17:57.000 We're all being manipulated by Algorithms that are extraordinarily powerful propaganda devices.

01:18:08.000 And they're influenced by the intelligence agencies domestically inside of the United States.

01:18:13.000 It's not just influence, they are, you know... They're running it and they're banning people and they're censoring people and they have censored you before as well for expressing your speech and expressing larger concerns.

01:18:21.000 I'm probably the most censored person in the country.

01:18:24.000 And you were right about a lot of the things that you were censored for.

01:18:26.000 We're on the list.

01:18:27.000 I don't know if you're the most censored person.

01:18:28.000 Well, who would be more?

01:18:29.000 Arguably, I would say I am.

01:18:31.000 I mean, I won the lawsuit, and even in the Murphy v. Biden lawsuit, if you read Judge Doty's decision, 155 pages, the bulk of it is about me, because I was the first one that they officially started to censor 37 hours after he took the oath of office.

01:18:48.000 The White House was directing Twitter, Facebook, Google, YouTube.

01:18:53.000 Remove me from their platform.

01:18:54.000 They took off my, you know, my Instagram account and they were obsessed with censoring me from the beginning.

01:19:01.000 I agree.

01:19:02.000 Let me just say this.

01:19:04.000 What I think that the way that I would handle this if I was, you know, the king of the world is that I would, I think, That all of them should be forced to have transparent algorithms.

01:19:19.000 Because any algorithm that you have is going to manipulate you.

01:19:22.000 So if you pass a law that says if you're going to operate in this country, you need a transparent algorithm, then you, Tim, choose your own.

01:19:29.000 You choose a libertarian algorithm.

01:19:32.000 Right now, if you're a Democrat, you're living next door to a Republican.

01:19:38.000 And you both ask the same question of Google or whatever, you're going to get two different answers, because they're going to give you the answer that's going to keep you on the site the longest.

01:19:48.000 And they know that people like, that they'll stay on longer if you're fortifying their worldviews.

01:19:54.000 So they're bought poor and concrete.

01:19:56.000 But if you can choose your own algorithm, then at least you know how you're being manipulated.

01:20:01.000 You choose a Republican algorithm, a Democratic algorithm, and then you can say that.

01:20:05.000 to TikTok and it's not about China, it's about, hey, if you want to operate in this country,

01:20:13.000 you use a transparent algorithm because we're a democracy and we don't, we want to avoid all

01:20:18.000 kinds of manipulation, whether by our intelligence agencies or by yours.

01:20:22.000 I agree, that's something we should absolutely do, but that is still akin to putting the label on,

01:20:27.000 you know, you buy a pack of cigarettes and it's got a diseased lung on it,

01:20:30.000 people are still going to buy them. So my concern with...

01:20:32.000 Well, okay, so what's your solution? Shut them all down?

01:20:36.000 Well, I think with the TikTok bill, the idea that a foreign adversary, namely one of, 0.71

01:20:41.000 one of, I think it's five countries, can't have investment in specifically TikTok.

01:20:47.000 I don't see as, I see as a net positive.

01:20:52.000 The thing that concerns me is, you know this morning we did an interview with Tuan who escaped the Chinese Communist Party and they talked about their strategies, their worldview, how they operate, and we can see a lot of that reflected in how TikTok promotes certain content.

01:21:06.000 So you've got teenagers being fed content where guys are saying, hate your parents, don't talk to your parents.

01:21:12.000 You've got individuals that are living, they're encouraging self-harm and things like this.

01:21:17.000 You mentioned why are, why is Tourette's is one of the mental afflictions on the rise.

01:21:22.000 There was a study that found women, young girls, were watching viral TikToks and Instagrams of a woman with Tourette's And then began adapting this as a social, uh, I guess, uh, contagion of some sort.

01:21:35.000 Started developing Tourette's on their own from it.

01:21:38.000 China is absolutely invested in causing friction, at the very least, and harm, in the worst case, through these platforms. 0.88

01:21:46.000 I think when the divestiture bill, aka the ban bill, gets passed, the response from TikTok immediately was, we will never sell, we will never back down, we will lay off our staff before we let you take this from us.

01:21:57.000 I think shows that there's a great degree that this is more of an economic weapon than it is just a social media platform business they have.

01:22:06.000 I mean, it's crazy to me that We learned from the CEO, what did he say, 175 million people use the app and many of them are U.S.

01:22:13.000 businesses.

01:22:14.000 Why do we allow the CCP control over any portion of our economy, especially to that size?

01:22:20.000 So I don't want them buying farmland, I don't want them buying real estate, and I don't want them buying a digital portion of our market that we can't regulate or control.

01:22:27.000 So the transparency is good, but...

01:22:33.000 The control that China has of our market, because of TikTok, it's like a drop in the ocean compared to the hundreds of trillions of dollars in U.S. 0.58

01:22:43.000 dollars that they own.

01:22:44.000 Totally agree, totally agree.

01:22:45.000 And BlackRock's way worse.

01:22:47.000 There's a million things that China's doing that are worse than TikTok. 1.00

01:22:51.000 Listen, I'm an absolutist when it comes to free speech.

01:22:55.000 I think that we ought to have, and there's other reasons that we want to preserve TikTok, which is it's a gateway for young kids.

01:23:05.000 We have a whole generation of kids who have no entree, they have no equity, and they're never going to own a home.

01:23:13.000 They have no way to get into business, the finance business, and they're building businesses on TikTok.

01:23:19.000 And I don't want to take that away from them.

01:23:20.000 I see so many hopeless people who come up to me and say, I made a life for myself.

01:23:27.000 I made a place for myself.

01:23:29.000 I have self-esteem because of it.

01:23:31.000 And now the government is going to shut me down.

01:23:33.000 80% of TikTok is owned by Americans.

01:23:37.000 Well, because Douyin is the Chinese alphabet.

01:23:38.000 There's two, yeah.

01:23:40.000 And theirs is all patriotism.

01:23:43.000 Listen, I agree there is an issue, but for me, you and I are going to differ on this, because I just am a free speech absolutist.

01:23:52.000 This is feeding into the neocon narratives that we need to be in a war posture against China.

01:24:01.000 I don't disagree, but I feel like it's kind of like saying I'm a free market absolutist.

01:24:05.000 I don't mind that China is sending fentanyl over the southern border because people have a right to buy whatever they want.

01:24:09.000 I don't agree with that.

01:24:12.000 I don't think this is fentanyl.

01:24:14.000 Mr. Kennedy, you mentioned the transparency of algorithms, and it brought to mind something that is an issue that we are facing with China, and that's intellectual property.

01:24:28.000 And I know, interesting here, talking about intellectual property at the Libertarian National Convention, but there is a problem with China and with Industrial espionage and stuff.

01:24:42.000 Do you think that there's a role that the federal government should play in trying to assist corporations that are US-based or try to give some kind of incentive to have corporations to be less, I guess, in bed with China or a little more opposed to Being so easy to work with China, considering the threat that China's... Well, China bought off the Biden administration.

01:25:04.000 They effectively instituted a lot of the policies for them already, and then... Yeah, Mr. Kennedy, what do you think, what do you think about the, about the industrial, about industrial espionage stuff?

01:25:12.000 Do you think the federal government has a role in it?

01:25:14.000 I think China has a system that has been in place for since Deng Xiaoping.

01:25:23.000 I've written chapters about this in my book about Wuhan.

01:25:30.000 I think it's very, very worrying.

01:25:32.000 I think they've infiltrated most of the universities in our country.

01:25:37.000 At their systematically stealing patents.

01:25:40.000 I've done business in China and you know, the whole business model is to steal patents from Western companies.

01:25:49.000 Most of the business that I've dealt with will not deal in China because of this kind of, because of the patent issue.

01:25:57.000 And you know, you have companies like Microsoft.

01:26:00.000 Microsoft has sold its soul to China.

01:26:03.000 It's developing all of the, surveillance and the control and the compliance technologies in China.

01:26:12.000 Bill Gates could not attract enough innovators in the United States to compete against his competitor Apple and you know the other Google and all the other competitors.

01:26:25.000 And Bill Gates is building many nuclear reactors right now with the Chinese government.

01:26:28.000 I want to talk about Bill Gates a little bit because he kind of bragged about going after you inside of the Trump administration.

01:26:34.000 But it's also the CIA that worked with China, especially when it came to Echo Health Alliance and the Wuhan Laboratory.

01:26:40.000 So there's a lot of other connections here that do deserve to be made.

01:26:42.000 But Bill Gates was one of the few individuals that actually came out on national television and he said that he was able to thwart your efforts.

01:26:49.000 That you had private meetings with Donald Trump And you were working towards achieving some goals together on helping the American people specifically regarding health.

01:26:57.000 Bill Gates said he came in there and then he was able to influence Trump not to do what you wanted.

01:27:02.000 Is there anything else that you could speak to about this?

01:27:05.000 Because it does seem like he does have a larger influence over Trump.

01:27:10.000 No, I mean, I don't know exactly what happened.

01:27:13.000 Bill Gates in January of 2016 asked me to come to New York and to meet with him.

01:27:37.000 I spent the day with him and with his sons, Steve Bannon and Hope Hill and Kellyanne Conway

01:27:43.000 and Mike Pence.

01:27:46.000 And they asked me to run a vaccine safety commission, to chair it and put together,

01:27:50.000 you know, esteemed, respected scientists from all over the world to look at the testing

01:27:55.000 protocols for vaccines, to make recommendations about how to improve them.

01:28:00.000 And this made huge headlines when it was announced.

01:28:07.000 And Pfizer immediately gave President Trump a million dollars.

01:28:12.000 And President Trump then appointed two Pfizer nominees, Alex Azar, who came out of Eli Lilly to run HHS, and then Scott Gottlieb, who is Pfizer's business partner.

01:28:25.000 to run the FDA and Scott Gottlieb did a hundred billion dollar favor for Pfizer with a vaccine

01:28:33.000 and then left FDA to go back to work for Pfizer and collect his payoff and at the same time so

01:28:39.000 I don't know whether it was the million dollars from Pfizer and those are the two guys who shut

01:28:45.000 down the commission. Bill Gates, there's a tape out there where Bill Gates is bragging that he got

01:28:51.000 Trump to disavow me.

01:28:55.000 But I can't look into his head and I can't look into Trump's head so I can't tell you exactly what happened.

01:29:02.000 A couple minutes before we go to audience superchats, just the obvious one, my understanding is that you have said that Can you use the restroom?

01:29:12.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:13.000 I can?

01:29:13.000 Of course, of course.

01:29:15.000 So I can step away for a second?

01:29:16.000 Just come back as soon as you're good and we'll start reading Super Chats while you're running.

01:29:20.000 It's a lot harder here at the LP National because there's no immediate bathroom.

01:29:24.000 We'll grab some of the Super Chats and I'll save some of the bigger questions.

01:29:24.000 But we'll do this.

01:29:27.000 I was literally going to ask him if the CIA killed his uncle, but we'll...

01:29:31.000 Save it.

01:29:31.000 Save that one.

01:29:32.000 I have the CIA question loaded up.

01:29:34.000 I have MKUltra.

01:29:35.000 I have all that loaded up.

01:29:36.000 I'm ready to go.

01:29:37.000 And then there's so many other questions with Epstein as well that I want to ask.

01:29:40.000 I love how polarizing the chats can be.

01:29:44.000 Yeah, the chat's going off.

01:29:46.000 They love and hate.

01:29:47.000 Yeah, but I tremendously respect his position so far.

01:29:47.000 They're hot and cold.

01:29:51.000 He's crossed his arms and pushed back and stood for what he wanted to stand for, and I respect when he said, I don't know enough about the NFA, I can't answer.

01:29:58.000 I'm like, well, I don't know how you expect someone to answer if they don't know what it is.

01:30:02.000 Yeah, he's taking, you know, the conversations.

01:30:04.000 He's having a tough conversation, but at least he's having it, and we appreciate it very much for him doing that.

01:30:10.000 Yeah, we've had a lot of politicians come on this show, and only a handful, I can say, have Seemed real.

01:30:20.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 I certainly think it's fair to say that there's a few questions where he's going to be a little bit more political.

01:30:25.000 I think that's reasonable to assess when you're hearing his answers.

01:30:29.000 But I do respect when he points to things and says, it doesn't matter, I don't care about this.

01:30:33.000 I think he's got a great point on Indigenous People's Day as one of the least important things in terms of what's going on in this country. 1.00

01:30:39.000 But to be fair, that's why I said that's why I waited an hour and 15 minutes before I brought it up.

01:30:43.000 I loved all his stuff about environmental toxins.

01:30:45.000 I love the comments about SSRIs.

01:30:46.000 You do see that a lot.

01:30:47.000 Yeah, no, that's a major issue.

01:30:48.000 And I think it would be interesting, I mean, when he comes back to this room, if he weren't to win this election, if he would take a position in the cabinet as the head of the Health and Human Services Department.

01:30:58.000 Because there are so many conversations that he's bringing up that I think are important.

01:31:02.000 You guys all probably know the questions I want to ask him.

01:31:04.000 We haven't gotten there yet.

01:31:05.000 Get in there.

01:31:06.000 Yeah, we don't take it easy on politicians.

01:31:08.000 And there's still the reparations question.

01:31:10.000 I still need to ask the Epstein question.

01:31:13.000 The reparations question we have to ask. 0.94

01:31:14.000 And the CIO one I think is a little bit more silly.

01:31:16.000 Maybe we could go longer and take Super Chats afterwards, after talking to him?

01:31:21.000 I think what we should do is... Because he has a schedule until 10.

01:31:24.000 Exactly.

01:31:25.000 So I think for the Super Chats... No, no, he could go at 10 when he's supposed to go.

01:31:29.000 We could take Super Chats without him.

01:31:31.000 Or I'm... Well, a lot of superchats are for him.

01:31:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:34.000 So what I'll try and do is I'll try and grab a couple.

01:31:36.000 Kyle has the question on asking about reparations, so I think that's the first one we should ask.

01:31:40.000 So Kyle asked about the reparation plan for black farmers and whether a DNA test will be needed to prove the lineage or baseline skin color.

01:31:48.000 So let's do that one.

01:31:49.000 We absolutely...

01:31:52.000 Uh, the CIA one is kind of like, that's the big one, but he has talked about it before, so I'd love to hear his response.

01:31:58.000 Um, I think he, of all people, needs Secret Service protection.

01:32:02.000 And they will not give it to him.

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:03.000 So, anyway.

01:32:04.000 But, uh, you wanted to ask about Epstein.

01:32:06.000 Epstein, absolutely.

01:32:08.000 He flew on Epstein's plane, twice.

01:32:10.000 Oh, that's right.

01:32:10.000 Didn't he talk about it?

01:32:11.000 Yes, he did.

01:32:12.000 I want to talk to him about that.

01:32:14.000 I know there's so many issues that I want to go at.

01:32:14.000 Oh, man.

01:32:17.000 Do you think it's possible that there were people who didn't realize what they were flying on?

01:32:20.000 We could ask him that question.

01:32:21.000 We'll see what he says.

01:32:22.000 Because, you know, that's such an issue.

01:32:25.000 Do you think people didn't realize what they were flying on?

01:32:28.000 You look at what Cindy McCain said, and I'll bring it up.

01:32:30.000 What do you think?

01:32:31.000 I think they absolutely knew, and because it was very obvious.

01:32:33.000 So he knew what he was lying on?

01:32:34.000 You look at the victim's testimony, they were describing him being absolutely brutal and awful to children and to himself and to, yeah, specifically Epstein.

01:32:42.000 He was absolutely a man who didn't hide what he was doing at all.

01:32:45.000 So anyone who flew on it would be aware, in your opinion?

01:32:47.000 Absolutely.

01:32:48.000 Like, there's stories of him literally, like, taking off his pants mid-flight and then needing to do stuff every two hours.

01:32:54.000 I want to stress this soon.

01:32:54.000 There's crazy stuff.

01:32:56.000 But if there's any Super Chats for us, we should get them now.

01:32:59.000 They're mostly just for him.

01:33:00.000 There's some that are, you know... Guys, do you want to talk to us tonight?

01:33:02.000 Rude.

01:33:04.000 No, there's a lot of howdy people. 1.00

01:33:05.000 But the other thing, too, is everyone always asks him about COVID, lockdown policy, Big Pharma, and all that stuff.

01:33:05.000 I'm just teasing.

01:33:12.000 And I feel kind of like we should ask him, take the opportunity to ask about literally whatever we can that people are missing.

01:33:20.000 So Epstein's big.

01:33:21.000 CIA's big.

01:33:22.000 CIA's big.

01:33:24.000 Reparations.

01:33:24.000 He's back.

01:33:25.000 Yeah.

01:33:26.000 So we've got some questions for you that I think are pretty good.

01:33:28.000 One of our users asked about your reparation plan for black farmers, and Kyle wonders, will there be a DNA test needed to prove lineage, or will it be based on skin color?

01:33:40.000 And that's, I think that was recent, the news came out about your reparation plan?

01:33:44.000 Yeah, that was again kind of the mainstream media distorting something that I said.

01:33:51.000 What I said is that there's a certain program in the USDA which is supposed to be available to small farmers.

01:34:03.000 So it's small farmer loans and grants and as it turns out the guy who was running that program for about 40 years was systematically not giving farmers in that program the grants that they were entitled to.

01:34:23.000 So he would give it to white farmer neighbor But not the Black Farmer, and he just happened to be like a racist who was running the program, and he unfortunately ran it for many, many years.

01:34:35.000 So ultimately, the Black Farmers Association brought that case to court, and they won.

01:34:43.000 And they won a settlement that was the amount of money that would have been given to them if they were white. 0.51

01:34:56.000 Was not.

01:34:58.000 So, and then Congress failed to, Congress wouldn't appropriate the money to make the payment.

01:35:05.000 So that's the issue.

01:35:08.000 It's not race-based in terms of, you know, it's just money that was stolen from them and it's getting that money to them that the courts have already awarded them.

01:35:20.000 Do you want to ask about the CIA or Epstein?

01:35:23.000 Well, there's a lot of things.

01:35:24.000 The two kind of connect because the intel agencies... We'll start with one.

01:35:27.000 Make it easy.

01:35:28.000 The intel agencies were extensively running an extortion operation on a lot of high-profile politicians through Jeffrey Epstein.

01:35:35.000 You talked about flying on his airplane before.

01:35:38.000 Is there anything else you could tell us since there's individuals like Cindy McCain that have come out and talked about how Everyone knew what he was doing.

01:35:45.000 He was hiding in plain sight, that people were afraid of him.

01:35:49.000 Is there anything else you could tell us?

01:35:50.000 Is there some speculation about some people saying that you might be getting extorted potentially yourself?

01:35:56.000 No, I mean, I've been very open and frank about it.

01:36:00.000 My experience with Jeffrey Epstein, I, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was a figure in New York.

01:36:06.000 My wife had a relationship with, my wife, who took her own life in 2014, had a relationship with Glenn Maxwell, I think, through my wife's old fiance, who had been a Greek, who had been raised in Britain.

01:36:26.000 And on one occasion, In 1993, either she asked or Glenn offered her a ride.

01:36:41.000 My wife wanted to go down to visit my mother on Christmas with our kids. 0.99

01:36:48.000 And she said that Glenn had offered her a ride on the plane because they went down there from New York to Palm Beach every weekend.

01:36:55.000 So I wrote on that.

01:36:58.000 We were on there.

01:36:58.000 I was on there with my wife and my children, two children.

01:37:02.000 I think Mary was pregnant at the time.

01:37:05.000 And then I took a second plane ride, I think a year later.

01:37:09.000 We went to South Dakota For the day to do fossil hunting.

01:37:21.000 And this was 13 years before anybody knew anything about Jeffrey Epstein.

01:37:28.000 Me, I didn't know anything about him at that time.

01:37:31.000 I had a conversation on that airplane that made me think that, and I saw him do something on that airplane ride to South Dakota that made me think that he was a very bad person.

01:37:43.000 What?

01:37:44.000 See this is what we were just talking about this when you're in the bathroom There's a lot of accounts of a people's of people saying he did really awful.

01:37:51.000 Yeah, I know I know I'm leading up to it well, I I mean it's got a cause of me, but I had I I was asking him how he made his money and he told me because he said that he had been a math teacher at Dalton and Which was a school I knew about in New York.

01:38:13.000 I don't know much about it, but I know it's a school for wealthy kids.

01:38:18.000 Yeah, so he told me a story, though, that seemed to me not credible.

01:38:23.000 He said he was, and I said, okay, because I knew he owned a city block in New York, and that he was, to me, The only thing I really knew about him was he was the money manager for Les Wexler, right, who owns The Limited.

01:38:39.000 And that's all I knew about him at the time.

01:38:43.000 And of course, you know, he's a big shot at New York.

01:38:46.000 He goes to the Robin Hood dinner, which is, you know, they raise $40 million a night, and he was one of the big donors there.

01:38:54.000 So people know him.

01:38:55.000 If you went out, you could see him, you know.

01:38:58.000 Anyway, I asked him, how did you go from being a math teacher at Dalton to having all this money?

01:39:08.000 And he said that he'd been approached by some Chinese businessmen and that they had been ripped off by a con artist in the United States.

01:39:18.000 And they asked him to find the con artist.

01:39:21.000 And he succeeded in doing that, and that led to other opportunities.

01:39:25.000 That's what he told me.

01:39:27.000 And that made me think that he was lying.

01:39:27.000 Wow.

01:39:34.000 And then I asked him about a stock, and this is the first time I've ever met him, and he said, I never invest in stocks unless I have inside information.

01:39:47.000 I'm an attorney, I'm a district attorney, and he says this to me, so it's a weird thing.

01:39:55.000 Do you think he felt untouchable?

01:39:56.000 What?

01:39:57.000 Like, he said that to you knowing that you were a district attorney.

01:39:59.000 He's like... I wasn't at that time, but you know, it's an odd thing to tell me.

01:40:03.000 Yeah.

01:40:04.000 A stranger who, you know, you don't know.

01:40:07.000 Unless you're really confident you don't get in trouble, right?

01:40:10.000 Were there any young children in there?

01:40:13.000 No.

01:40:14.000 My kids were there.

01:40:16.000 But on all my flights, the four flights, which are back and forth from Palm Beach and back and forth from Rapid City, my kids were on board on all of them.

01:40:28.000 But then we touched down and we were supposed to go from Rapid City to New York City.

01:40:38.000 And instead, the plane landed in Chicago, which was unannounced, and he never told us he was landing in Chicago.

01:40:45.000 And he said, when we land in Chicago, and I'm looking out and saying, this is not New York, and I didn't recognize it because it wasn't.

01:40:54.000 O'Hare, it was the other little airport.

01:40:56.000 Yeah, Midway.

01:40:56.000 Midway?

01:40:58.000 Yeah.

01:40:58.000 Really?

01:41:00.000 You know, he's landing in a private jet.

01:41:02.000 And I think there's private jets, that's where they go in.

01:41:05.000 There's a few smaller regional ones?

01:41:08.000 Midway's... It may have been those.

01:41:09.000 I don't know where it was, but it was O'Hare.

01:41:11.000 Was it Chicago?

01:41:12.000 Was it surrounded by gray walls?

01:41:14.000 I don't remember.

01:41:14.000 So this would have been...

01:41:19.000 1993, so that's 31 years ago.

01:41:21.000 Okay, I have no, I have very little memory.

01:41:23.000 I do remember what happened, which is he said, oh, I have to make a trip to Europe, and you know, unanticipated.

01:41:35.000 And he gets off the plane and there's a beautiful, like, you know, very, I would describe her as a hot blonde with a lot of kind of biological exuberance, let me put it that way, who was waiting on the tarmac next to a white Mercedes. 0.99

01:41:53.000 And he goes down the stair and gets in the Mercedes and then he went over to, he drove over to another jet, private jet, and got on there.

01:42:04.000 And Glenn said nothing, but she was just sitting there crying.

01:42:07.000 Woah.

01:42:09.000 So, you know, I just thought this is a very bad guy.

01:42:14.000 The plane didn't take you home then?

01:42:15.000 Yeah, and then we took off and went home alone.

01:42:18.000 So him lying was the awful thing, or did he do anything else that was awful?

01:42:22.000 Well, I mean, he was this woman who we assumed was his girlfriend.

01:42:27.000 And he was, you know, treating her sort of, you know, horrendously in front of us.

01:42:33.000 And that seemed to me very, very cruelly.

01:42:39.000 So I thought from then on, I thought he's a bad guy.

01:42:42.000 We were honored to have Dr. Ron Paul on our show last year.

01:42:50.000 He said the CIA killed your uncle.

01:42:54.000 Do you think so?

01:42:55.000 Yeah.

01:42:58.000 Why?

01:42:59.000 Why do I think that?

01:43:01.000 I mean, it's pretty well documented.

01:43:08.000 I would say if you have, you know, there's a hundred books about my uncle's assassination.

01:43:15.000 The best book, which is an extraordinary distillation of probably a million pages of documents and also the many confessions of people who were involved in the murder.

01:43:28.000 I mean, the CIA is still blocking the release of documents.

01:43:32.000 Not only in the murder, but in the cover up.

01:43:34.000 But the best book is a book called The Unspeakable by James Douglas.

01:43:38.000 And it's a riveting book, but it's also just he's a scholar and it's an extraordinarily well documented history.

01:43:47.000 And are you asking why they killed him?

01:43:50.000 You know, the group that killed him was a group from the Miami station.

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:57.000 And they were angry at him beginning with his failure to overthrow Castro.

01:44:04.000 And they were angry with him because he was pulling out of Vietnam.

01:44:10.000 He had signed an executive order bringing all troops home from Vietnam by the beginning of 65.

01:44:17.000 This was related to Operation Northwoods?

01:44:21.000 No, Operation Northwoods was another thing that, you know, that was, this is all part of his battle with his military industrial complex.

01:44:30.000 But after the Bay of Pigs, he fired the head of the CIA, Alan Dulles.

01:44:34.000 And Alan Dulles did not stop being involved with the governance of the agency after that.

01:44:42.000 And then when my uncle was killed, Alan Dulles got himself put on the Warrant Commission.

01:44:47.000 And in fact, he was running the Warrant Commission.

01:44:51.000 And steered all the Warren Commission investigation away from the CIA.

01:44:58.000 Either way, this isn't a conspiracy theory.

01:45:03.000 This is when Congress investigated, the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigated my uncle's death 10 years later.

01:45:12.000 They said, yeah, it was a conspiracy.

01:45:15.000 And most of the people, all but the senior counsel at that time, Bob Blakey, All the junior counsels believe that it was the CIA, and particularly this group, E. Howard Hunt, David Attlee Phillips, Bill Harvey, who ran the Miami station, and David Morales, and then operating with mobsters, whereas Sam Giancana, who was in the Chicago outfit,

01:45:44.000 Andres Trafficante, who ran the Tampa family, and then Carlos Marcello, who ran Dallas and New Orleans, and my father prosecuted all of them when my uncle was president.

01:45:57.000 They all had casinos in Havana, and they were working hand-in-hand with the CIA on the assassination of Castro.

01:46:06.000 So they were people who were, and you know, they were partners with the The program is called Alpha 66.

01:46:16.000 Was that in any way related to the story of the film Casino?

01:46:21.000 Where the crooked mobsters in Chicago... A lot of the mobsters... The mobster who was the liaison between the CIA and Bill Harvey was the guy who was directing this program.

01:46:21.000 You're familiar?

01:46:41.000 And the mob who got the three families involved, his name was Johnny Roselli.

01:46:49.000 And when he was subpoenaed by the committee, by the House Select Assassination Committee, he was subpoenaed once he testified, but then they brought summons back to testify.

01:47:00.000 And he was murdered on his way to testify, and he was cut up into small pieces and then put in a 55-gallon oil drum.

01:47:11.000 I was found floating two days later in Biscayne Bay in Miami, and at the same time, Sam Giancana, who was the head of the very, very powerful mobster whom my father had prosecuted, and who I actually sat in a hearing room When I was five years old and watched him take the fifth, I think 127 times while my father was interrogating about a month before my uncle became president.

01:47:36.000 My father was ridiculing him and saying, you're laughing like a little girl, you're giggling like a little girl.

01:47:41.000 So they hated each other.

01:47:43.000 Wow.

01:47:44.000 And Giancana, Um, who was, you know, also involved in the assassination.

01:47:52.000 He, um, he was also subpoenaed by the committee and he was murdered, um, just before he was supposed to appear.

01:47:59.000 He was, uh, executed in his basement.

01:48:01.000 But the good news is that the CIA has since been reformed and these bad guys... Absolutely.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, they were held accountable.

01:48:07.000 We can trust the government now.

01:48:09.000 You know, Iran-Contra, MK-Ultra, they take over the mainstream media, they take over social media, the Russian collusion hoax, you know, it's not like they all organized it and orchestrated it.

01:48:19.000 But my question is, you know, if the CIA assassinated and took out a sitting US president many, many years ago, what are they doing now, since it looks like their power is only increasing with their influence over social media?

01:48:33.000 And the worrying thing is, you know, with AI, at the power that that will give them to really just to

01:48:41.000 bend reality and to control our perceptions and to activate our neuronal path in the reptilian core of

01:48:50.000 our brain to light up these neuronal passages, pathways that control human behavior. And I think

01:48:59.000 it's really important that we have a strong common, we begin fortifying our constitutional

01:49:04.000 rights right now and that we go back to the Smith-Muntz Act and that we go back. Yes.

01:49:09.000 The Church Commission.

01:49:12.000 It's in the CIA charter, too.

01:49:13.000 I'm so happy you mentioned that.

01:49:14.000 in the NDA of 2012 I think it was that that made it legal for the federal

01:49:19.000 government to propagandize the American people. It's in the CIA charter too.

01:49:24.000 I'm so happy you mentioned that. I harp on that a lot. I asked Chad Bama, threw those out.

01:49:30.000 I asked our good friend Chad Chepetee, did the CIA infiltrate U.S.

01:49:34.000 news media?

01:49:35.000 It said, yes, they did.

01:49:36.000 Mockingbird.

01:49:37.000 And then I said, are they still doing it?

01:49:38.000 And it said, it's unclear, possibly.

01:49:40.000 Well, it was the Church Commission hearings that that information came out, not Mockingbird.

01:49:44.000 No, Mockingbird was the name of it, wasn't it?

01:49:45.000 Yeah, Operation Mockingbird was the name, and in fact, there's... And Church Commission revealed it.

01:49:49.000 There's a 1973 article by Carl Bernstein, ironically, because His party, he was one of the two Watergate journalists, you know, Bob Woodward, who was himself a national security plant.

01:50:06.000 Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein wrote an article in Rolling Stone in 1973 that disclosed that 400 of the leading journalists in our country and the leading editors in our country, including the New York Times and Washington Post, all the television networks were all CIA assets.

01:50:25.000 And then the CIA then said, okay, we will stop.

01:50:30.000 And they continue to be the biggest funder in the world of journalism.

01:50:35.000 They spend $10 billion a year which they funnel through USAID to fund journalism.

01:50:42.000 They own some of the biggest magazines in the developing world in Europe, etc., and newspapers and television stations, etc.

01:50:51.000 But they said we're gonna stop Operation Mockingbird in the United States.

01:50:56.000 We're gonna stop propagandizing and spying and, you know, and censoring.

01:51:01.000 But then in 2014, Obama passed an executive order, or issued an executive order, that allowed it to start again.

01:51:11.000 And so there's some very interesting articles recently by CIA historians.

01:51:17.000 Dick Russell, who wrote one for The Defender, about the infiltration of the CIA, CIA control of certain U.S.

01:51:26.000 journals, including Daily Beast, Rolling Stone, the guy who runs Rolling Stone, Noah Schlachman, comes out of the national security community, Salon, Slate, Daily Kos, I think, the National Geographic, Scientific American.

01:51:44.000 Those are all liberal outlets.

01:51:46.000 Yeah, and then there's another I guess the CIA historian who wrote the best biography of Allen Dulles, it's called The Devil's Chessboard, he wrote a book about the assassinations as well, about CIA involvement in the assassinations, called Brothers.

01:52:05.000 He's an historian named David Talbot.

01:52:07.000 He was the founder of Salon, actually, and he's written some really good articles about About the CIA control of, you know, a whole another group of journals.

01:52:21.000 Oh, it's, you know, I think Operation Mockingbird is up and running.

01:52:26.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 Well, the psyops that they're doing now make MKUltra look like child's play.

01:52:31.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 So I kind of want to ask you, is there any way that, you know, people outside of politics could not fall for these PSYOPs?

01:52:39.000 Is there, anything from your experience, any way to kind of resist against this larger kind of takeover of society?

01:52:46.000 I would say the way to do it is to elect me president because I will dismantle this system.

01:52:50.000 It's a simple solution.

01:52:51.000 I don't think anybody else has the capacity to do it.

01:52:53.000 How many people are you going to fire on day one?

01:52:56.000 I'm not, you know, what I'm going to do There's certain people who need to be fired, particularly in the public health agencies, the EPA and others, who I know because I've litigated against all those agencies, and I know who is very, very corrupt.

01:53:12.000 I know their names and, you know, the people that need to be moved.

01:53:15.000 You know, when I sued Monsanto, we found discovery documents that showed that the head of the pesticide division for a decade was, a guy called Jez Rowland was secretly working for Monsanto all the time and concealing and twisting all the science and bringing in these mercenary scientists from the pharmaceutical industry, we call them biostitutes, you know, to do the studies.

01:53:40.000 And so, and there are people like that in all of the agencies, but it's not just firing people, it's getting rid of the perverse incentives Absolutely.

01:53:54.000 That put agency capture on steroids.

01:53:56.000 You know, 50% of FDA's budget comes from pharma.

01:54:00.000 NIH is allowed under the Bayh-Dole Act to collect, NIH scientists collect $150,000 a year on products that they regulate.

01:54:10.000 And NIH itself, I mean, NIH owned the Moderna vaccine.

01:54:14.000 So getting billions of dollars in profits, and there are six guys at NIH, top dogs, who get $150,000 a year forever because they worked on that vaccine.

01:54:24.000 These are the guys that you want looking for problems in the product.

01:54:28.000 You don't want them, you know, you don't want them being incentivized to overlook stuff, which is what they did.

01:54:35.000 Are there any agencies that you think should be abolished completely?

01:54:42.000 Abolish completely.

01:54:43.000 There are memes such as, you know, Thomas Massey routinely files a bill to abolish the Department of Education.

01:54:49.000 People say abolish the ATF.

01:54:50.000 The left says more, abolish the police.

01:54:54.000 He just did one with ending the U.S.

01:54:55.000 Federal Reserve, and it's pretty clear the Federal Reserve is printing us into poverty.

01:55:00.000 They're the ones giving BlackRock and State Street all the money, and the Fed, yes or no.

01:55:04.000 Infinite money.

01:55:05.000 It's insane.

01:55:06.000 ATF or the Fed?

01:55:08.000 Or both?

01:55:08.000 Would you get rid of them?

01:55:09.000 No, no.

01:55:11.000 The Fed, I would, you know, listen, the Fed... The Fed is the center of all problems, including all the war machine.

01:55:18.000 You know, without fiat currency, we couldn't drive the war machine.

01:55:23.000 And it's, you know, it functions to funnel money to Wall Street away from the American middle class.

01:55:30.000 It functions.

01:55:32.000 To destroy local controls, local economies, main streets, small businesses, and to financialize our economy and to send all of our industry abroad.

01:55:45.000 So it needs to, you know, fundamental reforms.

01:55:48.000 My uncle saw that.

01:55:49.000 That's why my uncle launched the silver certificate, the gold certificate.

01:55:54.000 He understood what, you know, what it was doing was corrupt.

01:56:02.000 And that, you know, he was trying to figure out a way to get us at least a little bit back toward base currencies.

01:56:08.000 If elected, sorry, I don't want to cut you off, but I do want to ask a question about immigration.

01:56:12.000 If elected, would you end birthright citizenship?

01:56:15.000 Birthright citizenship?

01:56:16.000 I don't know.

01:56:17.000 I would have to look at that.

01:56:18.000 I mean, I think there's a... Isn't there a constitutional provision that said if you're born in this country that you're a citizen?

01:56:24.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:56:25.000 We read it.

01:56:25.000 The 14th Amendment.

01:56:26.000 All persons born in the United States.

01:56:28.000 But the argument is that it says... So you're talking about amending the U.S.

01:56:33.000 Yeah, I think birthright citizenship incentivizes illegal immigration.

01:56:33.000 Constitution?

01:56:36.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:56:36.000 Real quick.

01:56:37.000 I would shut down the border, let me put it that way.

01:56:40.000 There you go.

01:56:41.000 The argument is that the 14th Amendment says... I'll tell you exactly how.

01:56:45.000 The amendment says if you're born here and subject to our jurisdiction, you're a citizen.

01:56:50.000 Some have argued you are, you're here.

01:56:52.000 Others have argued, no, you're a foreign national.

01:56:54.000 But, I digress.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, what's your border plan?

01:56:58.000 I'm going to do a couple of things.

01:57:00.000 One is just actually shut down the border you need.

01:57:04.000 Infrastructure policy and personnel.

01:57:06.000 Infrastructure is we need to complete the 27 gaps in the wall that you know in the urban area you don't need to build a wall all the way from about 2,200 miles from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego.

01:57:18.000 In the urban areas where immigrants and where illegal immigrants can quickly disappear you need a big physical barrier and I've been down there multiple times and we need to fill those gaps.

01:57:30.000 We need in the in the more urban rural areas The reality is you need to make sure that you need to complete the fencing, you need to have the long-distance cameras, the night lights, the sensory devices that President Biden removed, and there's a few miles of access roads that need to be completed.

01:57:48.000 In policy, we need to reinstate the Migrant Protection Act, which requires that people, migrants who are coming in from other countries, and have an asylum claim that they adjudicate those while they're still in Mexico before coming to the United States and change the catch-and-release program back to catch-and-return program.

01:58:09.000 We need personnel.

01:58:12.000 The Border Patrol roster, because of demoralization, because of all the unfair criticism they've been getting, is now at bare minimal levels.

01:58:21.000 We need to revive that and we need to send probably 300 asylum court judges to the border.

01:58:28.000 I have another program that I think will be more effective, which is I'm going to order the State Department and the Post Office to provide passport cards to every American who can't afford them.

01:58:44.000 And that means that you'll be able to walk down to any post office with proof of citizenship and you're going to be able to have a federally issued photo ID.

01:58:54.000 It's going to do three things.

01:58:57.000 One is the big dispute between Democrats and Republicans about showing photo ID at the voting booth.

01:59:02.000 The reason Democrats don't like that is because there are a lot of people in this country, millions, tens of millions, who don't have driver's licenses.

01:59:13.000 And they're almost all Democrats.

01:59:15.000 So they're elderly people whose licenses have expired. 0.62

01:59:18.000 They're urban minorities who don't drive. 0.73

01:59:23.000 And they're students who don't have their license yet.

01:59:26.000 Growing numbers of students don't have their license.

01:59:31.000 And for a lot of those people, going to DMV is just torture.

01:59:34.000 They're not going to do it.

01:59:35.000 And so they don't have IDs.

01:59:36.000 They're never going to get IDs.

01:59:38.000 And if you require that they If they don't have an ID to vote, it means they've disenfranchised 10 million Democratic voters.

01:59:47.000 That's why they fight so hard.

01:59:49.000 We've got Reverend Al Sharpton, Andrew Young, a bunch of other civil rights leaders who agree that if I issue photo IDs to every American, that they will withdraw their objections to requiring a photo ID at voting booths.

02:00:09.000 We eliminate this big source of tension.

02:00:11.000 It does a couple of other things.

02:00:14.000 Let me just finish.

02:00:15.000 One is that if you don't have a photo ID in this country, you're a second class citizen.

02:00:20.000 You cannot open a bank account.

02:00:22.000 You cannot check into a hotel.

02:00:24.000 You can't see your child at school.

02:00:26.000 You can't get on an airplane.

02:00:28.000 And so it makes being poor even worse.

02:00:32.000 It takes care of that issue.

02:00:33.000 And then finally, it's illegal already in this country for an employer to hire an illegal undocumented immigrant.

02:00:41.000 But they all do it because all you need to do is check off, check a box that says,

02:00:46.000 I saw their social security card.

02:00:48.000 The social security card doesn't have a picture on it.

02:00:51.000 They're easy to fabricate.

02:00:53.000 They're passed hand-to-hand at work sites in New York.

02:00:56.000 Oh, I'm gonna make it that everybody to get a job, you need to show a federally issued photo ID.

02:01:03.000 If you can't do that, and the employer hires you, he is going to go to jail.

02:01:09.000 And that will end the border overnight, because nobody's coming in here.

02:01:14.000 99% of those people, when I interviewed, I only interviewed 300 people in one night.

02:01:19.000 All except for twos, and I'm here for a job.

02:01:22.000 So you're saying everyone would need a federal ID, or is a state ID good as well?

02:01:26.000 I mean, we have real IDs.

02:01:27.000 You just need a government issued photo ID, okay?

02:01:30.000 And it's not an ID where you're...

02:01:33.000 Medical records, your financial records, anything else, it's just a photo ID from the post office.

02:01:39.000 It's a passport card.

02:01:40.000 But so this would also, you're saying, so for voting you would need a voter ID, but... You would need any kind of government issued photo ID.

02:01:47.000 I like that, I do.

02:01:47.000 That's great.

02:01:48.000 And we get voter ID and you make it easy to get IDs.

02:01:50.000 That's fantastic.

02:01:51.000 Passport cards are great, by the way.

02:01:53.000 I got one.

02:01:54.000 Useful.

02:01:55.000 Yeah, federal ID.

02:01:57.000 I suppose we are just about at time, and I really do appreciate you coming and hanging out with us.

02:02:02.000 I enjoyed talking with you.

02:02:04.000 I have tremendous respect.

02:02:05.000 I'll give you my honest take.

02:02:07.000 I think some of your answers are viewed a little politically.

02:02:11.000 But I think a lot of it is... I think your answers are respectable.

02:02:15.000 I think when you're asked about questions you didn't know, you simply said, I just don't know.

02:02:18.000 And that means a lot.

02:02:19.000 My last question for you will probably just make everyone angry, but I'm gonna ask you anyway.

02:02:22.000 Have you ever heard the song Kennedy by Kill Hannah?

02:02:26.000 I don't know.

02:02:27.000 It's probably, it's probably no one knows what it is, it's a Chicago band and the song is literally him saying,

02:02:34.000 I want to be a Kennedy and live fast in cars and basically describing your family, but I thought that was funny.

02:02:40.000 What they think is my family.

02:02:42.000 What they think is your family and the tabloids and all that.

02:02:44.000 So, is there anything else you wanted to add as we wrap up?

02:02:46.000 Anything you want to shout out?

02:02:47.000 I'm grateful to you, Tim, and Luke, and Phil, and Anna Claire.

02:02:52.000 Thank you for getting a full name.

02:02:53.000 Thank you all very much.

02:02:55.000 Where can people find out more information about you and your campaign?

02:02:57.000 Kennedy24.com.

02:02:59.000 And, you know, we're collecting signatures in most states right now.

02:03:02.000 We just got on the Florida ballot today.

02:03:08.000 Yeah, so if people want to volunteer or help with the campaign, we'd love that.

02:03:14.000 One last serious question, though.

02:03:15.000 I heard you say in an interview that you believe before the CNN debates you will have enough states to qualify.

02:03:21.000 You already have the polls.

02:03:23.000 Well, the weird thing about CNN is CNN made, I think, a big mistake, which is that it offered two criteria.

02:03:32.000 One criteria was that That you need to be on the ballot in sufficient states to get 270 electoral votes.

02:03:41.000 Well, by that date, we will have enough signatures to get, by the June 20th date, which is the cutoff date, we will have enough signatures to get 343.

02:03:50.000 So we will be able to qualify.

02:03:54.000 Guess who can't qualify?

02:03:56.000 Biden.

02:03:56.000 Biden or Trump.

02:03:57.000 Because they're not going to be on any ballots.

02:03:59.000 They're the presumptive nominee.

02:04:00.000 Their parties own the ballot slots, but they don't own them yet.

02:04:04.000 This is why Biden's not on in Ohio.

02:04:06.000 He's not going to be on the ballots.

02:04:07.000 He's not going to be on the ballots.

02:04:09.000 That's crazy.

02:04:10.000 I don't know.

02:04:10.000 I can't believe they're not going to figure it out.

02:04:12.000 DeWine said everyone has to come in on Tuesday and fix this, so we'll see what happens.

02:04:16.000 All right, all right.

02:04:17.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:04:17.000 You guys want to shout anything out before we go?

02:04:19.000 Yeah, thank you so much for having the conversation.

02:04:21.000 It was, you know, we agreed on some things, we disagreed on some things, but we at least had the conversation.

02:04:26.000 We thank you so much for coming in here and taking our questions.

02:04:28.000 Really appreciate it.

02:04:29.000 I thought the conversation was fascinating.

02:04:31.000 If you want to support me, and if you like the shirt that I'm wearing that says Trust God, Not Government, get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.

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02:04:45.000 Thank you very much for your time, Mr. Kennedy.

02:04:47.000 We appreciate it.

02:04:48.000 Thank you, Phil.

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02:05:16.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

02:05:17.000 I mess it up all the time.

02:05:18.000 You know the internet.

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02:05:23.000 What a cool job.

02:05:24.000 This is a very fun show.

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