As the Libertarian Party National Convention gets underway in Washington, D.C., former presidential candidate RFK Jr. joins us for a conversation about the current state of the election, politics, and Libertarian policies. We also hear from presidential candidate Donald Trump.
00:01:08.000Everybody knows who you are, so we're really excited that you're here so we can discuss, I think, a lot about the Libertarian Party, your speech, what you're hoping to accomplish, as well as I've got a million questions about your policies and your plan for 2024, so I appreciate you being here.
00:01:22.000We have Luke, Phil, and Hannah-Claire.
00:01:25.000You guys want to just quickly... Yeah, very ironically, YouTube actually deleted my video today where I actually featured a clip from you on Joe Scarborough.
00:01:33.000So, very ironically, good to have you here.
00:01:36.000Thank you so much, Tim, for taking the risk, for having this conversation.
00:01:39.000This is a very important conversation.
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00:03:26.000I had a friend called Peter Beuth who ran Greenpeace.
00:03:33.000For many, many years, I went camping with him for about three weeks.
00:03:36.000We had a camp hanged out in Mexico years ago, trying to stop Mitsubishi from building a big salt mine and a whale sanctuary down there.
00:03:43.000And I ended up in a tent, got to be very close to him, and he ran Greenpeace.
00:03:49.000I said, On one point, what's it like running Greenpeace?
00:03:54.000And he said, it's like being in charge of 1.2 million people and the only thing they have in common is they all despise authority.
00:04:02.000And to me, the Libertarians always seem like that.
00:04:10.000It's a very democratic and kind of chaotic version of democracy.
00:04:14.000It's the opposite of the duopoly, you know, which are now these kind of top-down, tyrannical systems that are run by corporations, by BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard.
00:04:31.000And the pharmaceutical companies, and the big war companies, and the big military contractors, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed, and the oil and coal companies, they're all taking money from the same people, and it's all this kind of very, very top-down systems, and the libertarians are the opposite of that.
00:05:25.000The kind of extreme versions, first of all, I think their minds are really interesting because You know, first of all, they're very thoughtful.
00:06:15.000I don't think you can privatize the commons.
00:06:19.000Capitalism works with private property, but there are certain assets that are, just by their nature, they're shared assets of communities, the air, the water, wildlife, fisheries, public lands.
00:06:30.000And, you know, if somebody tried to privatize the Hudson River, it wouldn't be a good thing.
00:07:00.000We've gotten good support from the libertarians from the beginning, so I don't think, I don't know how much convincing they need.
00:07:05.000I think there's, people are adamantly against me because of my position on Gaza.
00:07:12.000I think that from the outset, you know, that most of them are very, very supportive of my position on Ukraine, and I was one of the first national political figures to come out and say this war is a hoax.
00:07:26.000And so, and I think that, you know, they like my free market approach to environmentalism and a lot of other stuff that I talk about.
00:07:35.000So we've gotten from the beginning when I was campaigning in New Hampshire a year ago, the biggest, you know, we were going to Freedom Fest and the biggest groups that were, you know, were we getting the best crowds, the most enthusiastic crowds, were libertarian crowds.
00:07:55.000I'm against war, but I think in the last hundred years we've only fought one war that I would call a moral war, which was World War II, because we were attacked.
00:08:52.000I met with the Palestinian Authority leadership.
00:08:56.000I have an organization in Israel that's the only organization, it's a water protection group on the Jordan River, and it has Palestinians, Jordanian Arabs, and Israel Jews on it.
00:09:07.000I'm very, very supportive of the aspirations of the Palestinian people.
00:09:13.000I think Hamas is the biggest enemy of the Palestinian people.
00:09:17.000And you know, Palestinian people have, I'll just tell you this, have received more money, more than almost 20 times what Europeans received during the Marshall Plans.
00:09:32.000Between 1944 and 1948, we sent, we rebuilt 17 nations that had been destroyed in Europe after World War II.
00:09:42.000We spent to do that We spent, in 2023 dollars, $626 per capita for all the people in those countries.
00:09:54.000In the last 30 years, international aid agencies have pumped $8,600 per capita to every single person in the Palestinian Authority, including a lot of people who aren't really there.
00:10:10.000As the Palestinian Authority and UNRWA counts people who left long ago in order to continue to... So would your position be not to send them any money, and would you also not send any money to Israel then, as President of the United States?
00:10:24.000No, what I would do, what I think we should be doing is diplomatic solutions, but we should You know, I think we need to do a Marshall Plan for Gaza after the war, but I don't think that the war can end until Hamas is eliminated.
00:10:39.000I don't think you can be giving money to Hamas.
00:10:42.000So today the United Nations top court actually just ordered Israel to immediately halt its operations in Rafa.
00:10:49.000The United States and the Biden administration asked them not to do this, and Israel just did it anyway.
00:10:54.000How would you handle the situation as President of the United States?
00:10:58.000Would you allow them to continue that?
00:10:59.000Would you allow American service members to be there?
00:11:02.000American service members aren't there?
00:11:07.000They actually set up a pier and a port, and now they're being attacked.
00:11:11.000So, as President of the United States, how would you handle the Rafah situation, and would you put our American troops there, like they are currently?
00:11:18.000No, I would not send American troops to Israel.
00:11:21.000I would support Israel with arms and weapons.
00:11:27.000The International Court of Justice, part of the United Nations, the United Nations just has an ingrained hostility to Israel.
00:11:34.000The United Nations has, you know, has issued, I think, 14 condemnations in the last five or six years against Israel, one against North Korea, none against, you know, any of these other nations that are, you know, that are actually committing Human rights abuses all the time.
00:11:56.000Israel is the only democracy in the Mideast.
00:11:58.000It's the only place where everybody can vote, whether you're Arabs or Jews.
00:13:08.000But, you know, I would have to understand it better.
00:13:13.000I read both the literature, propaganda coming out of Israel and the propaganda coming from Hamas.
00:13:22.000And it's unclear to me how, you know, what Israel says There's plenty of supplies going into Gaza.
00:13:30.000That there is no shortage of supplies.
00:13:32.000That the problem in Gaza is that Hamas is stealing the supplies rather than distributing them.
00:13:38.000Well, the Pentagon is also reporting just two days ago that the aid is actually not getting through to the people of Gaza.
00:13:43.000Yeah, well, and that's what Israel's been saying, that they can't.
00:13:46.000The problem is not A lack of supplies, the problem is that Hamas won't allow anybody to have access to the supplies.
00:13:53.000That's the same reason Gaza hasn't had waters because of Hamas, you know?
00:13:58.000Well, no, Israel shut off the water and electricity.
00:14:02.000They took some of the water pipes, correct, but then Israel did shut off the water and did shut off the electricity to two million people, not just combatants.
00:14:11.000Israel, first of all, Israel only controls about 9% of the water.
00:14:18.000Most of the water, about 91% of the water in Gaza comes from six desal plants, desalinization plants.
00:14:30.000Those plants are dependent on oil, on fuel and bunker fuel.
00:14:37.000And what Israel says is there is plenty of that fuel in Gaza, But they're using it to fire rockets into Israel rather than to operate their diesel plants, and there's plenty of evidence of that, because Israel's been hit by about 20,000 rockets since October 7th, and they consume a tremendous amount of fuel.
00:14:58.000So, what Israel says is they've got plenty of oil, they're just not using it.
00:15:02.000They are starving their own people, and we see this, you know, this scapegoating all the time, where Jews are the only Jewish nation that is being blamed.
00:15:12.000Or for crimes that Hamas is committing.
00:16:09.000Well, they're working with Al-Qaeda, too.
00:16:12.000They're working with Al-Qaeda in Yemen, as well.
00:16:14.000I think the question is actually, should this be America's priority right now?
00:16:17.000Is this the thing that America should be considering over other domestic issues that we have?
00:16:22.000I understand the humanitarian crisis, the loss of life is tragic, but as president, I wonder, is this the thing that you prioritize over the more serious domestic issues like the border, like our own, you know, economic crisis?
00:16:35.000I would say, I would say this, you know, my priority is, as president, is going to be with the United States.
00:16:42.000I wouldn't be sending any money to Ukraine.
00:16:49.000Because for all the reasons, Ukraine's a war of choice, it's a war that we help provoke, it's a war that Putin has been trying to settle on terms that are very, very favorable to us, and we keep on making Zelensky tear up the agreements.
00:17:06.000So the question is, do we have an interest in supporting Israel?
00:17:54.000Tel Aviv has twice the population density as Gaza.
00:17:58.000And that's where Hamas is sending missiles, onto a civilian population.
00:18:03.000There's a million Israelis who live in bomb shelters.
00:18:06.000And Israel, any other nation that was attacked by a smaller, less powerful nation that was committed to its destruction, its annihilation, the extermination of its people, would go in there and carpet bomb it from the air and destroy it.
00:18:22.000Israel built an iron dome so it would not have to go in, and that is where, you know, a large percentage of the money that we send to Israel is going to that iron dome.
00:18:36.000So I believe, and Israel for us in the Mideast, is a bulwark for democracy, it's a bulwark for U.S.
00:18:43.000interests. If Israel was a woman, a Palestinian friend of mine told me this the other day, he
00:18:49.000said, you know, many Palestinians understand that we need a strong Israel because if we, if
00:18:58.000Israel ceased to exist, we would be at the mercy of Iran.
00:19:10.000They've built 300 miles of tunnels for fighters and not a single bomb shelter for civilians.
00:19:17.000We can certainly loop back to this, but I do want to make sure we can get it... I don't want to just turn into an hour-long debate over Israel, because that's usually what happens, but I'm curious about domestic issues, and it does pain me a little bit to have to ask the really boring and obvious question, but it's the one that matters most to people, and that's...
00:19:40.000And then when working class people try to feed their kids, they're finding that it's harder and harder to actually buy groceries.
00:19:46.000I wonder your view on the economy and what you could do as president that would change this for the American people.
00:19:51.000I mean, I think that there's an assault on the middle class in this country.
00:19:57.000And it's been going on since 1980, but it really exploded during COVID when we shut down 3.3 million businesses with no due process, no just compensation, no scientific citation.
00:20:12.000We shifted four trillion dollars upward from the American middle class.
00:20:16.000We obliterated the middle class to this new oligarchy of billionaires.
00:20:21.000We created a billionaire day globally in 500 days, 500 days, 500 new billionaires.
00:20:27.000And you know, a lot of those businesses will never reopen.
00:20:31.00041% of black-owned businesses will never reopen.
00:20:34.000And a lot of them had three generations of equity in them.
00:20:38.000And then, you know, because we've spent Eight trillion dollars on war since 2001.
00:20:50.000We borrowed it from China and we printed the money.
00:20:54.000And that is why we're having inflation.
00:20:57.000And that's why we have four dollar bread, four dollar milk, and six dollar gasoline.
00:21:00.000Do you think that's irreversible then?
00:21:02.000Do you think that cutting the war funding might alleviate some of this tension?
00:21:07.000It's complicated because you can't cut... First of all, we have to make dramatic cuts.
00:21:12.000And essentially what our orphaned investments, which is war is an orphan investment, you spend a million dollars on a missile, $60,000 on a backpack missile, a million dollars on a tank, you send it somewhere to get destroyed and it doesn't produce any kind of economic benefits.
00:21:32.000If we're going to, we cannot, we're at a point now, $34 trillion in debt.
00:22:13.000You need to cut dramatically spending, and those cuts will come from the military, which we need to cut down to about $500 billion a year from $900 billion.
00:22:24.000We need to close most of the 800 bases that we have abroad, which are just invitations for new wars.
00:22:31.000The biggest savings is going to come from ending the chronic disease epidemic, which is now the biggest part of our budget, $4.3 trillion.
00:23:15.000Mr. Kennedy, even beyond that, everyone knows that the mandatory spending is the actual driver of all of our major economic problems.
00:23:22.000So, considering nobody's going to touch Medicare and Medicaid, how do we have a plan that can actually fix the problem of Medicare and Medicaid without leaving seniors and people that are planning for it, which there's too many Americans that are planning for it now, but the people that are actually planning for it, how do we fix the problem for them without leaving the mine dry?
00:23:43.000Well, you know, the places where we need to get about four or five billion from the military,
00:23:52.000we need to reduce chronic disease from 4.3 billion a year to, I mean, 4.3 trillion a
00:24:31.000That's a contract with the American people.
00:24:33.000What I'm going to do is reduce the cost of treating illness in this country.
00:24:38.000Everybody else talks about, when they talk about health care, they're talking about Whether it's Obamacare or single-payer or, you know, public-private hybrid or whatever, but it's all about, that's all of those propositions, the big battles that are fought about moving tech chairs around on the Titanic.
00:24:56.000A whole ship is sinking, and it's sinking because of the explosion of chronic disease.
00:25:01.000So you think, basically, you think that we can essentially innovate our way into a position where... I think we can eliminate chronic disease.
00:25:09.000Do you think former President Trump and President Biden talk enough about this issue?
00:25:14.000It seems to me... I think they talk zero about this issue.
00:25:16.000The issue is, people always say that Trump and Biden, we have to choose.
00:25:21.000There's this, you know, this apocalyptic choice.
00:25:25.000Between these two guys, and if you look at them, they are very different.
00:25:29.000Their personalities are different, their dispositions are different, their ideologies, the way they approach issues and people.
00:25:39.000If you actually look at the issues that they dispute on, it's a very narrow Overton window.
00:25:45.000It's all these culture wars, it's abortion.
00:25:48.000Guns, the border, trans rights, all important issues, but none of them are existential.
00:25:54.000The existential issues they will never mention because they can't do anything about the budget deficit.
00:26:00.000They cannot fix that because they're the ones that created it.
00:26:03.000They can't create, you know, one other, the chronic disease epidemic they presided over.
00:26:09.000The war machine, they're both, you know, they're both warmongers now.
00:26:13.000Trump says he's not, but, you know, he just gave a bear hug to Speaker Johnson and then, you know, a kiss on the cheek to Biden and sent all that money to Ukraine.
00:26:23.000Polarization, which is more toxic now in this country than any time since the American Civil War, and poisonous, and destructive, and it's all amplified by social media algorithms, and nobody even understands how they're working anymore.
00:26:37.000They're all designed pour concrete on that polarization and divide us farther
00:26:42.000and farther until we go into civil war.
00:26:44.000Somebody's got to step in the middle and say I'm not just doing that. And neither of them can do it because they're
00:26:49.000both the products of the polarization. They're both telling us to hate the other
00:27:56.000My whole announcement speech is, I'm not going to feed into this.
00:27:59.000I'm not going to go to the culture war issues.
00:28:03.000I'm going to focus on the values that hold Americans together, rather than these little issues that are orchestrated to keep us at each other's throats so that all the money continues flowing upward to BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard, which own today 89% of the S&P 500.
00:28:21.000They're now trying to buy all the real estate in our country, and they're going to turn us from an ownership society into a rental society, and they love us hating each other because it keeps it all flowing upward.
00:28:32.000I think you're right in identifying exercise crises, Black Rock State Street, etc.
00:28:37.000But I do think that the culture war issues are another form of existential crisis.
00:28:41.000Perhaps it's easier to say, if BlackRock buys up all the homes, it's harder and harder for working class people to get homes.
00:28:47.000If there's collusion between big banks, Federal Reserve, and the government, they're gonna strangle out the working class and money overseas to wars we shouldn't be involved in, military bases.
00:28:56.000But there are deep concerns about the birth rate, fertility rate, and that is abortion.
00:29:01.000Abortion is an existential crisis, especially when we're looking at less than replacement rates.
00:29:06.000First of all, I don't disagree with you on...
00:29:13.000I want to do everything we can to end abortion.
00:29:15.000Our plan, which is more choice, more life, is about addressing the fact that 52% of abortions in this country are among women who say that one of the major factors was Their inability to afford a baby, and I want to make sure that that is not their consideration.
00:30:01.000No, no, no, there's PFAs, there's forever chemicals, there's astrazine, there's microplastics in male testicles, there's fluoride, there's glyphosate.
00:30:09.000Out of all these things, what do you think is the biggest concern?
00:30:12.000Because there's a lot of things in our environment.
00:30:15.000When it comes to our larger health crisis, do you think it's PFAs, forever chemicals, astrazine, fluoride, microplastics, glyphosate?
00:30:22.000What is the top concern for you, biologically?
00:30:26.000I'll tell you something interesting which might answer that.
00:30:30.000that. There are the you know the odds that we've got crises in four categories
00:30:38.000diseases. Obesity which is sort of linked to diabetes, autoimmune disease,
00:30:47.000Obesity's gone from when my uncle was president to about 13% to 50% of kids today obese or grossly overweight.
00:30:57.000Autoimmune diseases with juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, lupus, all these exotic diseases.
00:31:04.000Diabetes, when I was a kid, the average physician saw one case of diabetes in his lifetime.
00:31:13.000Today, one out of every three kids who walks through his office door is pre-diabetic or diabetic, and the cost of diabetes, which is mitochondrial dysfunction, is now larger than the military budget, and nobody's asking where this is coming from.
00:32:19.000And There's an EPA, or Congress said to EPA, tell us what year the autism epidemic began.
00:32:28.000And EPA is a captive agency, but it's captive by oil and coal, not by big pharma.
00:32:35.000So it actually did a real study and it came back and said it's a red line 1989.
00:32:41.000So there's, and as it turns out, almost all of these diseases follows that timeline.
00:32:46.000This explosion of chronic disease, we go from 6% to 60%.
00:32:51.000And there's a famous doctor, a toxicologist in New York named Phil Landrigan, and I've used him on a lot of my cases, you know, suing all kinds of big industries for toxins.
00:33:03.000He's one of the most revered toxicologists in the world.
00:33:06.000He looked at this issue and he said, you have to figure out a toxin And these are being called because this disease is being caused by toxic exposures.
00:33:52.000He came down with about 13 things, and among them are glyphosate from Roundup, which follows that timeline exactly, neonicotinoid pesticides, atrazine, which is now in 70% of our water supply, PFOAs and PFASs, which are flame retardants.
00:34:13.000I litigated the biggest case on that, and they made a movie about my case called Dark Waters.
00:34:19.000And I was starring Mark Ruffalo as a flame retardant that was put in all of our kids' pajamas, all of our furniture that year, and, you know, around that time, 1989.
00:34:29.000Fluorides, you know, all of these byproducts, these endocrine disruptors that are part of plastics.
00:35:09.000Oh, NIH, well, NIH has turned from when I was a kid, it did cutting-edge science, it was the gold standard science agency in the world, now it is just an incubator for pharmaceutical products.
00:35:23.000So, I want to go to the broader, because I want to try and get as many subjects in as possible, but back to abortion and the fertility rate, just to stay on that point and elaborate.
00:35:35.000You mentioned existential crisis, the things that Biden and Trump aren't talking about, the things you are talking about, especially what you just talked about, I think, is one of the most important.
00:35:43.000In our studio, we do have plastic bottled water, we do, but we have refillable glass bottles for people to take if you don't want to use the plastic for this reason.
00:35:52.000And then we have plastic because it is ubiquitous.
00:35:56.000I'm going to order... It's hard to live without it.
00:35:59.000But we bought reusable glass bottles that we fill up with our own filtered well water, specifically because of the issue of, you know, biphenols and all of these things.
00:36:08.000But the issue with abortion, there are people on the right who have, they've brought this up to us on the show, pro-lifers, people who want to see it banned federally in every capacity, saying when you're dealing with below replacement level fertility, Abortion just exacerbates the issue.
00:36:43.000I think we need a government that prioritizes the family.
00:36:46.000I don't think, I think the argument, you kind of lose me on the argument about abortion and the decline, fertility rate decline and decline in population that we need to force women to carry babies to term in order to keep a national population.
00:37:10.000I don't think that's, to me that's not a compelling argument.
00:37:13.000The compelling argument is the immoral argument that Abortion, at some point, particularly when the baby reaches viability, at the end of the term is like homicide, right?
00:37:29.000And throughout, people have different arguments, different opinions of it, and I respect everybody's opinion, but there's a moral case from day one.
00:37:41.000We're not doing it, and that moral argument to me is the most compelling argument, and the most difficult argument, the most complex argument.
00:37:48.000The other argument that you made about, you know, replacement rates is a really important argument for all these toxics in our environment.
00:37:59.000When it comes to, you know, there's so many other complexities are, you know, the state can tell a woman who does not want to bring a child to term that you're going to be, you're going to force them to do that.
00:38:10.000So, you know, these are all kind of very complex, difficult, heartbreaking issues.
00:38:43.000Of all the issues, this one has zero middle ground at all.
00:38:46.000You got a lot of flack because you were in an interview where you said that the state and the federal government should not be involved in any capacity.
00:38:54.000And you were asked, should abortion be allowed even up to full term?
00:39:28.000That's not going to change my mind about anything.
00:39:30.000What will change my mind is the facts.
00:39:33.000So my original position on abortion, which made sense to me when I was asked just off the cuff without thinking about it by an NBC When I was in Iowa, he said, what's your position?
00:39:49.000And I said, well, I think it has to be up to a woman, 100% up to a woman, up to the point of viability, and then the state has an escalating interest in protecting that life.
00:40:00.000So I got a tremendous amount of flack from the left and also at home from my wife, her sisters, her sister and her sister's wife.
00:40:12.000We're big supporters of mine, but we're absolutely, it is always a woman's choice.
00:40:17.000You know, in the state, you've been a medical freedom advocate for your entire life.
00:40:22.000You've been fighting for people's bodily autonomy more than anybody in this country.
00:42:01.000To me, that is the moral and ethical position.
00:42:05.000However, after I gave that interview, A number of people contacted me, including many from my campaign and many outside of my campaign, and they showed me that actually there are a fair number of thousands of elective abortions that occur in the eighth and ninth months.
00:42:29.000And I showed that data to my wife and her sisters and they said, okay, we got it.
00:42:37.000And so I changed my position, back to essentially my original position.
00:42:42.000And I didn't say to my wife, I told you so, because that would have made my life even more difficult.
00:42:53.000Original position, which is that the state has an escalating interest in that child once they retry it.
00:42:59.000I got some constitutional questions for you to elaborate on this and then to go into gun rights.
00:43:03.000So the 14th amendment says in section 1, all persons born or naturalized in the United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof and subject to jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
00:43:15.000No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
00:43:29.000What I find interesting in this is that person and citizen is a distinction, and this has led to interpretations, as well as other amendments, that tourists, for instance, are protected under the Constitution because they are a person, not a citizen, but they shall not be deprived of life, liberty, or property.
00:43:47.000When I look at this, I feel like there's only one conclusion.
00:43:52.000If the Supreme Court were to rule on the matter, I don't see how you would claim that a baby at nine months is not a person.
00:44:01.000Now you're talking a legal application rather than a moral application.
00:44:54.000Again, I don't think the legal argument is convincing.
00:44:57.000I think the moral and ethical arguments are much more convincing.
00:45:00.000So my question is, the reason there's a distinction between citizen and person is that if someone is a tourist from, say, India to the United States, They have free speech.
00:45:16.000And it's why there's a distinction between person and citizen.
00:45:20.000I believe that there's a philosophical conundrum on the issue of abortion, and I'm not saying you have to agree, and I'm not saying that this is absolute, I'm saying that when you look at, you have two women.
00:45:32.000They have both been, they're both pregnant, they've been pregnant for an identical amount of time, nine months.
00:45:37.000One woman goes into early labor and gives birth to her child, the other woman does not.
00:45:41.000The babies are identical in every way, just hypothetically speaking, but one was born and one wasn't.
00:45:47.000Right now in the United States, we recognize in some states the rights of the baby as it is in the womb.
00:45:53.000Like, I believe in California, if a crime is committed against the woman that kills the baby, it's considered double murder, double homicide.
00:45:59.000But, as an individual, only after birth, I see a legal conundrum there which presents an interesting challenge in the Constitution as to how the Supreme Court would rule on personhood.
00:46:13.000I'm just curious, your thoughts on, I suppose, maybe, I don't know, would you abstain on the issue, or do you think that a baby at nine months is a person, or not a person, or is it... Well, again, I don't think the leap, bringing in the legal definitions for me it's also it's not helpful to your argument because it says born and I understand you're making a distinction between if you're a citizen you have to be born and if you're a person it's ambiguous whether you're a person or persons the question is what does a person say right but anyway what I would say to you Tim is that for me
00:46:55.000The question is not whether you want to untangle legal language and see if it's applicable.
00:47:00.000If you want to do that, bring the lawsuit and go to the Supreme Court and see what they say.
00:47:05.000And, you know, I can make a bet on what they'd say and you can make a bet.
00:47:09.000We may bet the same, we may bet different.
00:47:13.000But the question here that's difficult for me is not this question.
00:47:18.000The question here is the moral question and the ethical question.
00:47:23.000And I, you know, I'm not claiming to have resolved those.
00:47:26.000I'm just claiming to have A solution that is, to me, is the most livable solution in a very difficult, impossible, ethical question.
00:47:44.000I think the main challenge, the reason why I bring this up, the reason why I go for the 14th is, when you look at a state like Oklahoma, they've banned abortion now, right?
00:47:51.000When you look at Colorado, they've unrestricted it to the point of birth.
00:47:54.000So, we were talking about hyper-polarization and, you know, launching off from the question of abortion, because I don't really want to have another, you know, five-year debate on abortion.
00:48:03.000I understand, there's no middle ground, but you can see this polarization where, when I argue with progressives, basically a similar position to you, I mostly agree with your position, They say I'm pro-life.
00:48:17.000When I say that if the baby can survive, there's no reason to kill it.
00:48:20.000And, you know, I think elective abortion is wrong.
00:48:23.000Like everything you said, it's a tragedy, it shouldn't happen.
00:48:26.000I find challenges in how the law would actually step in to determine when abortions could or couldn't happen.
00:48:38.000Well, I mean, I would think you'd be proud to be pro-life.
00:48:40.000My cousin, Anthony Shriver, who's working on my campaign, is Radically pro-life, and he's proud of it, and, you know, Angelus and King.
00:48:51.000...who is working on my campaign, who's a close advisor to me, um, is radically pro-life, and she's proud of it, and I respect them, I respect their commitment, I'm not claiming I'm right about this, you know, morally, I'm gonna have to talk to God at some point, and justify my positions, and I'm just doing my best with it, I'm not, but I, I, what I want to do is have, do the best I can to have people just stop hating each other on this issue.
00:49:39.000You said, quote, if we can get consensus on it, if Republicans and Democrats agree to it, and it passes Congress, I would sign it, specifically talking about an assault weapons ban.
00:49:49.000So it does look like you changed your position.
00:49:51.000Why did you change your position, and was there a legitimate reason, or is this kind of electioneering?
00:50:00.000Oh, and anybody who looks at my Record over, you know, 40 years.
00:50:06.000I think it's pretty obvious that, you know, I'm not swayed by, you know, by the political winds, or I would have done, I would have lived my life very, very differently.
00:50:17.000I've taken on very difficult issues my whole life, and I've stuck with them even when the entire world was against me.
00:50:43.000Thinking on a lot of these issues evolved after, during COVID.
00:50:48.000So, you know, I would say during COVID, you know, I saw this assault on the Constitution and understand that, you know, it's something that we really need to be worried about in the Second Amendment.
00:51:04.000What I said is that if I'm not fighting for an assault weapons ban, if both houses of Congress, bipartisan, Republicans and Democrats, all of a sudden came with a bill that they'd already passed, am I going to veto it on some kind of gun control measure, some kind of assault weapons ban?
00:51:28.000Do you see that that will ever happen?
00:51:39.000So let me just, can I give you, you know, my idea about something?
00:51:46.000You can always just slide it forward, too.
00:51:48.000I think the big issue Or that makes this such a toxic issue now is because of all the school shootings and the mass killings that involve weapons, involve, you know, firearms.
00:52:04.000I look at this issue the same way I do to the chronic disease epidemic, and I say to myself, why is it happening?
00:52:13.000There's been no increase in guns since 1970.
00:52:16.000I think there's been one increase in the gun per household since 1970.
00:52:22.000There's been no legislation that changed guns ownership.
00:52:26.000When I was a kid, at my schools, we had gun clubs.
00:53:13.000I'm talking about school shootings, not gang-on-gang violence.
00:53:18.000What I would say is there's some kind of exposure that's happening.
00:53:24.000And, you know, when the Columbine attacks occurred, five of the families sued Prozac.
00:53:32.000And ever since then, there have been studies, although this is not an issue that is studied enough, and it's not studied using federal funding, but the impact of SSRIs and Benzos on the potential impact on gun violence. This is one
00:53:52.000possible thing that needs to be studied.
00:53:55.000Every, all of those products have black box warnings on them.
00:53:58.000That say that they may cause homicidal or suicidal behavior.
00:54:04.000So they have that on their on their labels, on their manufacturers inserts.
00:54:10.000So obviously that should be a suspect.
00:54:12.000And the timeline, there's 120 million SSRA prescriptions every year, 120 million benzo prescriptions, and then there's other 120 million Adderall prescriptions, right?
00:55:05.000I mean, you've all parents are suing a video game maker in response to this.
00:55:10.000I would say, to me, the most likely, the thing that we should be studying is SSRIs, and nobody can really study it because of the HIPAA laws.
00:55:20.000When there's these mass shootings occur, You never know if the guy was on SSRIs, but it's impossible to find out, but NIH could find out.
00:55:32.000I think probably we all agree on toxic exposure, drugs, benzos, SSRIs, all of these things are worrisome, but ultimately for me, You know, I lived in New Jersey, and we had a guy try to break into my house.
00:55:46.000I'm not a- I- I- They say I can have a gun.
00:55:48.000They made it as hard as possible for me to have a gun.
00:55:50.000The cops told me when they came to my house after I called the police, they said, if it were me, I'd have answered the door with a shotgun.
00:55:54.000And I said, oh yeah, well, if I could get one.
00:55:56.000And so, when I was finally able to get one, I was informed by the police that in New Jersey, you have a duty to retreat from your own home.
00:56:41.000You had a woman who drove from PA into Jersey, an older, middle-aged woman, going to Atlantic City, got pulled over, told the cop, this is a famous story in Jersey, that she was a law-abiding citizen, and she said, I just want to let you know that I have my gun on me, and he said, out of the car, you're under arrest, felony charge.
00:56:57.000I moved to West Virginia, constitutional carry.
00:57:00.000And you know, for me, and you know better than anyone, the threats that, you know, with crazy people who are trying to cause harm.
00:57:08.000So for me, I understand all the stuff about drugs and gun violence and mass shootings, but I won't tolerate, because of the escalation in crime and violence, me losing my right to defend myself and my family and my property.
00:57:23.000So my point ultimately is, Outside of the issue of toxic exposure and shootings, what's your position on 2A, preserving gun rights?
00:57:33.000I believe in the Constitution and I believe in the right to bear arms.
00:57:39.000My argument then goes beyond and says we have to repeal the National Firearms Act and its add-ons.
00:58:06.000Lockheed Martin maintains and produces nuclear weapons.
00:58:09.000They're a private entity, and they do it internationally.
00:58:11.000So it's always been in the United States that there are privateers, there's Corsairs, individuals are able to own warships.
00:58:18.000While we have made many strides, like D.C.
00:58:20.000v. Heller, the right to keep and bear arms, we have these laws that restrict the individual while allowing these massive, multinational, warmonger corporations to have nukes.
00:58:28.000Why can't I have... Look, I live in my house.
00:58:32.000I want a short-barreled rifle with a suppressor so that I'm less likely to cause harm to people, so that I can target only on those who are threatening my life.
00:58:42.000But it's damn near impossible, because of the NFA, for me to actually get a weapon that is appropriate, safer.
00:58:50.000So I'm curious, would you go beyond, would you work to repeal these laws, or you keep it as is?
00:58:55.000Would you repeal the NFA and red flag laws?
00:58:56.000I don't know enough about the NFA, and I'm not going to make a...
00:59:02.000I'm not going to make a statement about something I know absolutely nothing about, and I would like to look, I would need to look at a lot of data and all that, but you know.
00:59:11.000Mr. Kennedy, one of the things you mentioned, you're talking about SSRIs and mass shootings and stuff.
00:59:16.000Most of the time when you're talking about mass shooting, or when mass shootings are discussed in press or in the media, it's not the type of mass shooting that tends to come to mind when you hear the term.
00:59:28.000So anytime more than two people are shot, They consider that a mass shooting, but that could be someone, you know, that could be drug violence, gang violence and stuff like that, which is different than the massacre type where you get someone with a rifle going into a school or something like that.
00:59:44.000But he was referring to schools specifically.
00:59:47.000So I do think that whereas mass shootings as a concept is something that we have to worry about, but what do you think are the best policies to fix the I don't want to sound callous, but the everyday gun violence that we see, the stuff that happens daily in cities across the country, because as much as the mass shootings that we see, the rifles and stuff like that, the schools, hospitals, whatever, they're horrifying and they're terrible and they get attention.
01:00:15.000The real death toll is the people that die every day in your violence in the cities.
01:00:20.000So what do you think, what would your plan be to combat that kind of stuff if there is a role for the federal government?
01:00:27.000I mean, listen, I'd love to hear what your solution is.
01:00:31.000my solution is good policing. You know, I think we need to, one, we need to reduce
01:00:40.000the interactions, the negative interactions between police and
01:00:44.000minorities, which is a big issue in this country, but we don't do that by
01:00:51.000The way that I would work it is that I would, you know, the same way that I work schools and charter schools, is to give the police chiefs of these municipalities a lot of power but also tremendous responsibility so that if there are racial incidents while you are police chief that you know you get you get three strikes and maybe and you're out and you're banned from from being a police chief in the next town.
01:01:20.000And so you give responsibility to them, but you also give the power to them to protect people, but you hold them responsible.
01:01:29.000And I think that that's the way to clean up some of the problems in the police force.
01:01:33.000But I would not do it by defunding the police.
01:01:37.000That doesn't seem to me like a good idea from day one.
01:01:41.000Do you think our culture values police, or do you think attitudes towards policing has declined since COVID and all the rioting over the summer?
01:02:23.000And a lot of my friends are cops, but I'm not blind to the fact that there are racial problems also in these.
01:02:31.000If you're a black kid, you're much more likely to get arrested, and I don't think that's right.
01:02:37.000I think we have to try to fix that, what's wrong with the police, but we don't do that by making All police feel badly, and I think we need to support the police.
01:02:48.000They put their lives on the lines every day, and we need to support them.
01:02:51.000We need to give them good work environments where, you know, the people who are the bad apples are taken out, and where they're given good training on de-escalating, you know, difficult situations.
01:03:08.000I've seen enough of these studies that You know, there's two groups that are responsible for these kind of bad incidences, and one is bad apples, who have a disproportionate number of them, and then young cops who just don't know how to de-escalate.
01:03:26.000They go into a situation where they're unfamiliar in a territory, a part of the city, they're frightened.
01:03:33.000And they don't have the skills or the training to de-escalate, so I think that needs to happen, too.
01:03:39.000So, a lot of the things you say, I agree with.
01:03:42.000You know, I'm a... I guess disaffected liberal is the way that I usually describe myself.
01:03:50.000The left just calls me right-wing or whatever, fine.
01:03:52.000You know, Elon Musk posted that meme, I don't know if you saw it, where the guy's standing on the left, but then the left moves super far away.
01:03:58.000But, you know, you had called Columbus Day Indigenous People's Day.
01:04:16.000I just checked, I just made sure that, you know, I had the statement correct.
01:04:20.000October 10th, 2023, the examiner reported on you referring to Columbus Day as Indigenous People Day, saying that you spoke about Your father's visit to Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in 1968, gratefully the renaming of Columbus Day as Indigenous People's Day, shows that our country is now ready to explore and to tell each other the untold histories of those dispossessed people who have previously languished on the margins, Kennedy said.
01:04:45.000Whatever you might think of such sentiments, it is not the stuff of Republican campaign rallies.
01:04:51.000I'm not a fan of the Confederacy by any means, but tearing down the statues unilaterally through activist efforts was terrifying.
01:05:00.000Not only did they tear down the statues through violent force without any kind of democratic process or legislative process, they tore down statues of Hans Christian Haag, who was a Union soldier fighting against slavery, wasn't even an American, didn't own slaves, and they tore down Frederick Douglass, who was a former slave, who was amazing, and fought against slavery.
01:05:16.000When I see things like this, it's particularly worrying to me because erasing our history doesn't do anything but make us repeat it.
01:05:25.000So I'm curious your thoughts on ideas like this, what people would refer to... Well, first of all, I don't think I ever said we should get rid of Columbus Day and replace it with Indigenous People Day, but I've spent 20% of my career defending and representing the tribes in the United States and in Canada and Latin America suing big corporate polluters who are destroying their land, suing governments who have stolen their land, and making sure that they're treated fairly.
01:06:02.000And you know, I think it's important for us to be part of a community where we can recognize all kinds of people.
01:06:09.000We can recognize Italian-Americans don't whom that is an important holiday.
01:06:13.000And at the same time, we can recognize the indigenous people were, you know, made the ultimate sacrifice of one of the greatest genocides in history.
01:06:24.000You know, my father always believed that our country would never live up to its ideals if we didn't make some kind of amends, meaningful amends to the, you know, to the group that was exterminated.
01:06:42.000In order for us to settle in this country, and I think it's a good aspiration for every American.
01:06:47.000I don't think it should be a left-wing or right-wing.
01:07:36.000I think we should celebrate who we are.
01:07:39.000And that, you know, we should celebrate the good qualities of everybody.
01:07:43.000If we want to find people who are completely virtuous on every issue throughout history, we would erase all of history.
01:07:51.000And, you know, values change throughout history.
01:07:55.000We need to be able to be sophisticated enough to live with, you know, our ancestors who didn't agree with us on everything and who did things that are now, you know, regarded as immoral or, you know, or wrong because they, you know, maybe they had other qualities that we want to celebrate.
01:08:15.000And clearly, Robert E. Lee had extraordinary qualities of leadership.
01:08:21.000And, you know, I don't think that I wouldn't have done that.
01:08:25.000You, uh, so it was your announcement as running as an independent candidate.
01:08:29.000You said, it's a hopeful sign now for our country that we celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day.
01:08:33.000It shows that we're ready as a nation.
01:08:35.000It shows that our country is now ready to explore and to tell each other the untold histories of those dispossessed
01:08:39.000people who have previously languished on the margins.
01:09:07.000It's your, it may be, Or maybe activists who want to do that, but you know, I feel like the indigenous people should have a day, if it don't overlap, there's many many holidays that overlap with each other and that, you know, we shouldn't be taking away from one group to give to another, but I do think
01:09:27.000we need to make a larger commitment to indigenous people because they have been systematically robbed
01:09:34.000and cheated and we need to do what we can as a country to make sure that there's some kind of
01:09:44.000amends for that past. I agree that an Indigenous People's Day is fine,
01:09:51.000but it literally did start as a counter to Columbus Day.
01:10:05.000I think for a lot of people, these are the cultural issues that we feel is existential.
01:10:11.000To have a holiday that we grew up with, to understand why it was good, despite bad things about Columbus, for sure, and colonization in general, we celebrate the good things, we try to condemn the bad and maintain the good.
01:10:27.000And I think that that's kind of the justification for We're keeping it not, you know, whether Columbus was a hero or a villain, but the fact that this is a way, like we have St.
01:10:43.000It's an Italian holiday, and I'm not saying it should stop being an Italian holiday.
01:10:48.000We can celebrate the contribution of the Italians, their country, and we can celebrate Contributions to the indigenous people of this country.
01:10:57.000Perhaps on the next speech you give, you can say, on this Indigenous People's Day and Columbus Day, we are here to say... I'm not going to let you write my speeches for me.
01:11:05.000Well, I mean, the concern is, if your worldview is shifted, that Columbus Day is no longer the day you're celebrating.
01:11:13.000You're celebrating the counter-protest.
01:11:15.000That says a lot about how you see the world.
01:11:21.000But I think what I've tried to do in this campaign is to not get sucked into culture war issues that I consider distractions.
01:11:32.000I think the big issues that we should be talking about, which you started with, is the fact that 57% of the people in this country cannot put their hands on $1,000 because if there's an emergency in their family, and if you are in that cohort, And the engine light comes on in your car, it's the apocalypse, because you know you can't afford that mechanic, you're not going to be able to get to work, and you're not going to be able to pay your rent, and you're going to end up on the side of the local homeless, and you're going to be circling a drain.
01:12:07.000And, you know, what BlackRock wants is for us to ignore the contribution they've made and the Fed has made and all of these big Wall Streets made to this situation and keep us fighting about Columbus Day or Indigenous People's Day.
01:12:25.000These are economic issues and that's why I'm running.
01:12:28.000I'm not running to feed into culture war issues on either side.
01:12:32.000You can dispute these activists any way you want.
01:12:37.000I'm not going to get involved in that issue.
01:12:39.000But my point is, I completely agree with you about Black Rock State Street, Vanguard, all of these companies, the foreign influence on our social media.
01:12:47.000Before it was TikTok, we had concerns about Saudi investors with pieces of... Look, I'm more concerned about the NSA and Facebook.
01:12:58.000You know, and the CIA scraping all of our information, Facebook as much as the Chinese are scraping, you know, posts about teenage girls' kitty cats.
01:13:10.000You know, we have all the things that Edward Snowden told us, that these companies are The CIA, if you have an abuser who's outside of your house, it's scary.
01:13:26.000And if you have the abuser inside of your house, it's much more frightening.
01:13:30.000And I'm more scared, more concerned about the CIA and the NSA manipulating public perceptions, censoring us, propagandizing us, using these social media sites to do that.
01:13:47.000Listen, if we're really concerned about the Chinese, Here's what we should be concerned about.
01:13:52.000I've litigated against Smithfield Foods for years for polluting vast, vast landscapes in this country.
01:13:59.000Smithfield controls 30-40% of pork production in this country and the landscapes in states like North Carolina, Iowa, all over this country.
01:14:08.000They're now 100% owned by the Chinese.
01:14:13.000You know, the Chinese are buying our landscapes, they're buying our food, they're controlling our universities, they're giving billions of dollars to universities and, you know, scraping information, high technology information.
01:14:25.000They're deeply embedded with NIH and getting, you know, making bioweapons with them.
01:14:31.000They are the principal creditor now in every nation in Latin America, because we're spending $8 trillion on wars, and they're bombing bridges and ports and schools and universities.
01:14:45.000Over that same period, they've spent $8 trillion building ports and roads and schools, and they're projecting economic power abroad, and we're projecting military power, and they're killing us because of that.
01:14:55.000And we ought to be actually dealing with the real threat from China.
01:15:01.000And not about silly issues like TikTok.
01:15:05.000I don't think, personally, I give you advice, which I know you won't take and you don't need, but this kind of issue I think detracts from your credibility.
01:16:01.000It's not getting China out, it isn't going to take it, isn't it?
01:16:04.000Well, I think when I look at the issue of social media manipulation and TikTok, for instance, at the very least we have seen FOIA requests of the US government, which has resulted in, we learned, Twitter, when it was still Twitter, was in regular communication with the federal government to suppress and censor negative information.
01:16:22.000Alex Berenson, for instance, That came from my lawsuit.
01:16:26.000You know, Trudy Verges Biden, our discovery, just showed what they're doing.
01:16:31.000And that's one of the most important things that's happened in my lifetime, so I appreciate the work you've done on that.
01:16:37.000And on top of that, however, we can't do those same things to TikTok, which is outside of the U.S.' 's control.
01:16:43.000So whatever your solution may be on that issue, the same thing that we see with Twitter, Maybe X less so now, but Facebook especially, and YouTube, is happening with TikTok.
01:16:55.000No question, only it's a foreign adversary now.
01:16:58.000So it is something we have to deal with.
01:17:00.000And I think it is more pressing because, you know, your lawsuit proves we can fight back and we can win to a certain degree.
01:17:07.000And I think your position here right now actually shows that we can win tremendously.
01:17:11.000How do we deal with China doing the exact same thing to us?
01:17:14.000I'll tell you what, I would not ban TikTok.
01:17:20.000First of all, I believe in freedom of information.
01:17:26.000I think that everybody should be able to get information from any source.
01:17:31.000I don't think we should be banning Al Jazeera.
01:17:33.000I don't think we should be banning RTTV.
01:17:35.000I want to hear everybody's information, everybody's position on all these different issues.
01:17:57.000We're all being manipulated by Algorithms that are extraordinarily powerful propaganda devices.
01:18:08.000And they're influenced by the intelligence agencies domestically inside of the United States.
01:18:13.000It's not just influence, they are, you know... They're running it and they're banning people and they're censoring people and they have censored you before as well for expressing your speech and expressing larger concerns.
01:18:21.000I'm probably the most censored person in the country.
01:18:24.000And you were right about a lot of the things that you were censored for.
01:18:31.000I mean, I won the lawsuit, and even in the Murphy v. Biden lawsuit, if you read Judge Doty's decision, 155 pages, the bulk of it is about me, because I was the first one that they officially started to censor 37 hours after he took the oath of office.
01:18:48.000The White House was directing Twitter, Facebook, Google, YouTube.
01:19:04.000What I think that the way that I would handle this if I was, you know, the king of the world is that I would, I think, That all of them should be forced to have transparent algorithms.
01:19:19.000Because any algorithm that you have is going to manipulate you.
01:19:22.000So if you pass a law that says if you're going to operate in this country, you need a transparent algorithm, then you, Tim, choose your own.
01:19:32.000Right now, if you're a Democrat, you're living next door to a Republican.
01:19:38.000And you both ask the same question of Google or whatever, you're going to get two different answers, because they're going to give you the answer that's going to keep you on the site the longest.
01:19:48.000And they know that people like, that they'll stay on longer if you're fortifying their worldviews.
01:19:56.000But if you can choose your own algorithm, then at least you know how you're being manipulated.
01:20:01.000You choose a Republican algorithm, a Democratic algorithm, and then you can say that.
01:20:05.000to TikTok and it's not about China, it's about, hey, if you want to operate in this country,
01:20:13.000you use a transparent algorithm because we're a democracy and we don't, we want to avoid all
01:20:18.000kinds of manipulation, whether by our intelligence agencies or by yours.
01:20:22.000I agree, that's something we should absolutely do, but that is still akin to putting the label on,
01:20:27.000you know, you buy a pack of cigarettes and it's got a diseased lung on it,
01:20:30.000people are still going to buy them. So my concern with...
01:20:32.000Well, okay, so what's your solution? Shut them all down?
01:20:36.000Well, I think with the TikTok bill, the idea that a foreign adversary, namely one of,
01:20:41.000one of, I think it's five countries, can't have investment in specifically TikTok.
01:20:47.000I don't see as, I see as a net positive.
01:20:52.000The thing that concerns me is, you know this morning we did an interview with Tuan who escaped the Chinese Communist Party and they talked about their strategies, their worldview, how they operate, and we can see a lot of that reflected in how TikTok promotes certain content.
01:21:06.000So you've got teenagers being fed content where guys are saying, hate your parents, don't talk to your parents.
01:21:12.000You've got individuals that are living, they're encouraging self-harm and things like this.
01:21:17.000You mentioned why are, why is Tourette's is one of the mental afflictions on the rise.
01:21:22.000There was a study that found women, young girls, were watching viral TikToks and Instagrams of a woman with Tourette's And then began adapting this as a social, uh, I guess, uh, contagion of some sort.
01:21:35.000Started developing Tourette's on their own from it.
01:21:38.000China is absolutely invested in causing friction, at the very least, and harm, in the worst case, through these platforms.
01:21:46.000I think when the divestiture bill, aka the ban bill, gets passed, the response from TikTok immediately was, we will never sell, we will never back down, we will lay off our staff before we let you take this from us.
01:21:57.000I think shows that there's a great degree that this is more of an economic weapon than it is just a social media platform business they have.
01:22:06.000I mean, it's crazy to me that We learned from the CEO, what did he say, 175 million people use the app and many of them are U.S.
01:22:14.000Why do we allow the CCP control over any portion of our economy, especially to that size?
01:22:20.000So I don't want them buying farmland, I don't want them buying real estate, and I don't want them buying a digital portion of our market that we can't regulate or control.
01:22:33.000The control that China has of our market, because of TikTok, it's like a drop in the ocean compared to the hundreds of trillions of dollars in U.S.
01:24:14.000Mr. Kennedy, you mentioned the transparency of algorithms, and it brought to mind something that is an issue that we are facing with China, and that's intellectual property.
01:24:28.000And I know, interesting here, talking about intellectual property at the Libertarian National Convention, but there is a problem with China and with Industrial espionage and stuff.
01:24:42.000Do you think that there's a role that the federal government should play in trying to assist corporations that are US-based or try to give some kind of incentive to have corporations to be less, I guess, in bed with China or a little more opposed to Being so easy to work with China, considering the threat that China's... Well, China bought off the Biden administration.
01:25:04.000They effectively instituted a lot of the policies for them already, and then... Yeah, Mr. Kennedy, what do you think, what do you think about the, about the industrial, about industrial espionage stuff?
01:25:12.000Do you think the federal government has a role in it?
01:25:14.000I think China has a system that has been in place for since Deng Xiaoping.
01:25:23.000I've written chapters about this in my book about Wuhan.
01:26:03.000It's developing all of the, surveillance and the control and the compliance technologies in China.
01:26:12.000Bill Gates could not attract enough innovators in the United States to compete against his competitor Apple and you know the other Google and all the other competitors.
01:26:25.000And Bill Gates is building many nuclear reactors right now with the Chinese government.
01:26:28.000I want to talk about Bill Gates a little bit because he kind of bragged about going after you inside of the Trump administration.
01:26:34.000But it's also the CIA that worked with China, especially when it came to Echo Health Alliance and the Wuhan Laboratory.
01:26:40.000So there's a lot of other connections here that do deserve to be made.
01:26:42.000But Bill Gates was one of the few individuals that actually came out on national television and he said that he was able to thwart your efforts.
01:26:49.000That you had private meetings with Donald Trump And you were working towards achieving some goals together on helping the American people specifically regarding health.
01:26:57.000Bill Gates said he came in there and then he was able to influence Trump not to do what you wanted.
01:27:02.000Is there anything else that you could speak to about this?
01:27:05.000Because it does seem like he does have a larger influence over Trump.
01:27:10.000No, I mean, I don't know exactly what happened.
01:27:13.000Bill Gates in January of 2016 asked me to come to New York and to meet with him.
01:27:37.000I spent the day with him and with his sons, Steve Bannon and Hope Hill and Kellyanne Conway
01:27:46.000And they asked me to run a vaccine safety commission, to chair it and put together,
01:27:50.000you know, esteemed, respected scientists from all over the world to look at the testing
01:27:55.000protocols for vaccines, to make recommendations about how to improve them.
01:28:00.000And this made huge headlines when it was announced.
01:28:07.000And Pfizer immediately gave President Trump a million dollars.
01:28:12.000And President Trump then appointed two Pfizer nominees, Alex Azar, who came out of Eli Lilly to run HHS, and then Scott Gottlieb, who is Pfizer's business partner.
01:28:25.000to run the FDA and Scott Gottlieb did a hundred billion dollar favor for Pfizer with a vaccine
01:28:33.000and then left FDA to go back to work for Pfizer and collect his payoff and at the same time so
01:28:39.000I don't know whether it was the million dollars from Pfizer and those are the two guys who shut
01:28:45.000down the commission. Bill Gates, there's a tape out there where Bill Gates is bragging that he got
01:28:55.000But I can't look into his head and I can't look into Trump's head so I can't tell you exactly what happened.
01:29:02.000A couple minutes before we go to audience superchats, just the obvious one, my understanding is that you have said that Can you use the restroom?
01:29:51.000He's crossed his arms and pushed back and stood for what he wanted to stand for, and I respect when he said, I don't know enough about the NFA, I can't answer.
01:29:58.000I'm like, well, I don't know how you expect someone to answer if they don't know what it is.
01:30:02.000Yeah, he's taking, you know, the conversations.
01:30:04.000He's having a tough conversation, but at least he's having it, and we appreciate it very much for him doing that.
01:30:10.000Yeah, we've had a lot of politicians come on this show, and only a handful, I can say, have Seemed real.
01:30:21.000I certainly think it's fair to say that there's a few questions where he's going to be a little bit more political.
01:30:25.000I think that's reasonable to assess when you're hearing his answers.
01:30:29.000But I do respect when he points to things and says, it doesn't matter, I don't care about this.
01:30:33.000I think he's got a great point on Indigenous People's Day as one of the least important things in terms of what's going on in this country.
01:30:39.000But to be fair, that's why I said that's why I waited an hour and 15 minutes before I brought it up.
01:30:43.000I loved all his stuff about environmental toxins.
01:30:48.000And I think it would be interesting, I mean, when he comes back to this room, if he weren't to win this election, if he would take a position in the cabinet as the head of the Health and Human Services Department.
01:30:58.000Because there are so many conversations that he's bringing up that I think are important.
01:31:02.000You guys all probably know the questions I want to ask him.
01:31:34.000So what I'll try and do is I'll try and grab a couple.
01:31:36.000Kyle has the question on asking about reparations, so I think that's the first one we should ask.
01:31:40.000So Kyle asked about the reparation plan for black farmers and whether a DNA test will be needed to prove the lineage or baseline skin color.
01:32:34.000You look at the victim's testimony, they were describing him being absolutely brutal and awful to children and to himself and to, yeah, specifically Epstein.
01:32:42.000He was absolutely a man who didn't hide what he was doing at all.
01:32:45.000So anyone who flew on it would be aware, in your opinion?
01:33:26.000So we've got some questions for you that I think are pretty good.
01:33:28.000One of our users asked about your reparation plan for black farmers, and Kyle wonders, will there be a DNA test needed to prove lineage, or will it be based on skin color?
01:33:40.000And that's, I think that was recent, the news came out about your reparation plan?
01:33:44.000Yeah, that was again kind of the mainstream media distorting something that I said.
01:33:51.000What I said is that there's a certain program in the USDA which is supposed to be available to small farmers.
01:34:03.000So it's small farmer loans and grants and as it turns out the guy who was running that program for about 40 years was systematically not giving farmers in that program the grants that they were entitled to.
01:34:23.000So he would give it to white farmer neighbor But not the Black Farmer, and he just happened to be like a racist who was running the program, and he unfortunately ran it for many, many years.
01:34:35.000So ultimately, the Black Farmers Association brought that case to court, and they won.
01:34:43.000And they won a settlement that was the amount of money that would have been given to them if they were white.
01:35:08.000It's not race-based in terms of, you know, it's just money that was stolen from them and it's getting that money to them that the courts have already awarded them.
01:35:20.000Do you want to ask about the CIA or Epstein?
01:35:28.000The intel agencies were extensively running an extortion operation on a lot of high-profile politicians through Jeffrey Epstein.
01:35:35.000You talked about flying on his airplane before.
01:35:38.000Is there anything else you could tell us since there's individuals like Cindy McCain that have come out and talked about how Everyone knew what he was doing.
01:35:45.000He was hiding in plain sight, that people were afraid of him.
01:35:49.000Is there anything else you could tell us?
01:35:50.000Is there some speculation about some people saying that you might be getting extorted potentially yourself?
01:35:56.000No, I mean, I've been very open and frank about it.
01:36:00.000My experience with Jeffrey Epstein, I, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was a figure in New York.
01:36:06.000My wife had a relationship with, my wife, who took her own life in 2014, had a relationship with Glenn Maxwell, I think, through my wife's old fiance, who had been a Greek, who had been raised in Britain.
01:36:26.000And on one occasion, In 1993, either she asked or Glenn offered her a ride.
01:36:41.000My wife wanted to go down to visit my mother on Christmas with our kids.
01:36:48.000And she said that Glenn had offered her a ride on the plane because they went down there from New York to Palm Beach every weekend.
01:36:58.000I was on there with my wife and my children, two children.
01:37:02.000I think Mary was pregnant at the time.
01:37:05.000And then I took a second plane ride, I think a year later.
01:37:09.000We went to South Dakota For the day to do fossil hunting.
01:37:21.000And this was 13 years before anybody knew anything about Jeffrey Epstein.
01:37:28.000Me, I didn't know anything about him at that time.
01:37:31.000I had a conversation on that airplane that made me think that, and I saw him do something on that airplane ride to South Dakota that made me think that he was a very bad person.
01:37:44.000See this is what we were just talking about this when you're in the bathroom There's a lot of accounts of a people's of people saying he did really awful.
01:37:51.000Yeah, I know I know I'm leading up to it well, I I mean it's got a cause of me, but I had I I was asking him how he made his money and he told me because he said that he had been a math teacher at Dalton and Which was a school I knew about in New York.
01:38:13.000I don't know much about it, but I know it's a school for wealthy kids.
01:38:18.000Yeah, so he told me a story, though, that seemed to me not credible.
01:38:23.000He said he was, and I said, okay, because I knew he owned a city block in New York, and that he was, to me, The only thing I really knew about him was he was the money manager for Les Wexler, right, who owns The Limited.
01:38:39.000And that's all I knew about him at the time.
01:38:43.000And of course, you know, he's a big shot at New York.
01:38:46.000He goes to the Robin Hood dinner, which is, you know, they raise $40 million a night, and he was one of the big donors there.
01:39:34.000And then I asked him about a stock, and this is the first time I've ever met him, and he said, I never invest in stocks unless I have inside information.
01:39:47.000I'm an attorney, I'm a district attorney, and he says this to me, so it's a weird thing.
01:40:16.000But on all my flights, the four flights, which are back and forth from Palm Beach and back and forth from Rapid City, my kids were on board on all of them.
01:40:28.000But then we touched down and we were supposed to go from Rapid City to New York City.
01:40:38.000And instead, the plane landed in Chicago, which was unannounced, and he never told us he was landing in Chicago.
01:40:45.000And he said, when we land in Chicago, and I'm looking out and saying, this is not New York, and I didn't recognize it because it wasn't.
01:40:54.000O'Hare, it was the other little airport.
01:41:21.000Okay, I have no, I have very little memory.
01:41:23.000I do remember what happened, which is he said, oh, I have to make a trip to Europe, and you know, unanticipated.
01:41:35.000And he gets off the plane and there's a beautiful, like, you know, very, I would describe her as a hot blonde with a lot of kind of biological exuberance, let me put it that way, who was waiting on the tarmac next to a white Mercedes.
01:41:53.000And he goes down the stair and gets in the Mercedes and then he went over to, he drove over to another jet, private jet, and got on there.
01:42:04.000And Glenn said nothing, but she was just sitting there crying.
01:43:08.000I would say if you have, you know, there's a hundred books about my uncle's assassination.
01:43:15.000The best book, which is an extraordinary distillation of probably a million pages of documents and also the many confessions of people who were involved in the murder.
01:43:28.000I mean, the CIA is still blocking the release of documents.
01:43:32.000Not only in the murder, but in the cover up.
01:43:34.000But the best book is a book called The Unspeakable by James Douglas.
01:43:38.000And it's a riveting book, but it's also just he's a scholar and it's an extraordinarily well documented history.
01:43:47.000And are you asking why they killed him?
01:43:50.000You know, the group that killed him was a group from the Miami station.
01:45:15.000And most of the people, all but the senior counsel at that time, Bob Blakey, All the junior counsels believe that it was the CIA, and particularly this group, E. Howard Hunt, David Attlee Phillips, Bill Harvey, who ran the Miami station, and David Morales, and then operating with mobsters, whereas Sam Giancana, who was in the Chicago outfit,
01:45:44.000Andres Trafficante, who ran the Tampa family, and then Carlos Marcello, who ran Dallas and New Orleans, and my father prosecuted all of them when my uncle was president.
01:45:57.000They all had casinos in Havana, and they were working hand-in-hand with the CIA on the assassination of Castro.
01:46:06.000So they were people who were, and you know, they were partners with the The program is called Alpha 66.
01:46:16.000Was that in any way related to the story of the film Casino?
01:46:21.000Where the crooked mobsters in Chicago... A lot of the mobsters... The mobster who was the liaison between the CIA and Bill Harvey was the guy who was directing this program.
01:46:41.000And the mob who got the three families involved, his name was Johnny Roselli.
01:46:49.000And when he was subpoenaed by the committee, by the House Select Assassination Committee, he was subpoenaed once he testified, but then they brought summons back to testify.
01:47:00.000And he was murdered on his way to testify, and he was cut up into small pieces and then put in a 55-gallon oil drum.
01:47:11.000I was found floating two days later in Biscayne Bay in Miami, and at the same time, Sam Giancana, who was the head of the very, very powerful mobster whom my father had prosecuted, and who I actually sat in a hearing room When I was five years old and watched him take the fifth, I think 127 times while my father was interrogating about a month before my uncle became president.
01:47:36.000My father was ridiculing him and saying, you're laughing like a little girl, you're giggling like a little girl.
01:48:09.000You know, Iran-Contra, MK-Ultra, they take over the mainstream media, they take over social media, the Russian collusion hoax, you know, it's not like they all organized it and orchestrated it.
01:48:19.000But my question is, you know, if the CIA assassinated and took out a sitting US president many, many years ago, what are they doing now, since it looks like their power is only increasing with their influence over social media?
01:48:33.000And the worrying thing is, you know, with AI, at the power that that will give them to really just to
01:48:41.000bend reality and to control our perceptions and to activate our neuronal path in the reptilian core of
01:48:50.000our brain to light up these neuronal passages, pathways that control human behavior. And I think
01:48:59.000it's really important that we have a strong common, we begin fortifying our constitutional
01:49:04.000rights right now and that we go back to the Smith-Muntz Act and that we go back. Yes.
01:49:40.000Well, it was the Church Commission hearings that that information came out, not Mockingbird.
01:49:44.000No, Mockingbird was the name of it, wasn't it?
01:49:45.000Yeah, Operation Mockingbird was the name, and in fact, there's... And Church Commission revealed it.
01:49:49.000There's a 1973 article by Carl Bernstein, ironically, because His party, he was one of the two Watergate journalists, you know, Bob Woodward, who was himself a national security plant.
01:50:06.000Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein wrote an article in Rolling Stone in 1973 that disclosed that 400 of the leading journalists in our country and the leading editors in our country, including the New York Times and Washington Post, all the television networks were all CIA assets.
01:50:25.000And then the CIA then said, okay, we will stop.
01:50:30.000And they continue to be the biggest funder in the world of journalism.
01:50:35.000They spend $10 billion a year which they funnel through USAID to fund journalism.
01:50:42.000They own some of the biggest magazines in the developing world in Europe, etc., and newspapers and television stations, etc.
01:50:51.000But they said we're gonna stop Operation Mockingbird in the United States.
01:50:56.000We're gonna stop propagandizing and spying and, you know, and censoring.
01:51:01.000But then in 2014, Obama passed an executive order, or issued an executive order, that allowed it to start again.
01:51:11.000And so there's some very interesting articles recently by CIA historians.
01:51:17.000Dick Russell, who wrote one for The Defender, about the infiltration of the CIA, CIA control of certain U.S.
01:51:26.000journals, including Daily Beast, Rolling Stone, the guy who runs Rolling Stone, Noah Schlachman, comes out of the national security community, Salon, Slate, Daily Kos, I think, the National Geographic, Scientific American.
01:51:46.000Yeah, and then there's another I guess the CIA historian who wrote the best biography of Allen Dulles, it's called The Devil's Chessboard, he wrote a book about the assassinations as well, about CIA involvement in the assassinations, called Brothers.
01:52:07.000He was the founder of Salon, actually, and he's written some really good articles about About the CIA control of, you know, a whole another group of journals.
01:52:21.000Oh, it's, you know, I think Operation Mockingbird is up and running.
01:52:51.000I don't think anybody else has the capacity to do it.
01:52:53.000How many people are you going to fire on day one?
01:52:56.000I'm not, you know, what I'm going to do There's certain people who need to be fired, particularly in the public health agencies, the EPA and others, who I know because I've litigated against all those agencies, and I know who is very, very corrupt.
01:53:12.000I know their names and, you know, the people that need to be moved.
01:53:15.000You know, when I sued Monsanto, we found discovery documents that showed that the head of the pesticide division for a decade was, a guy called Jez Rowland was secretly working for Monsanto all the time and concealing and twisting all the science and bringing in these mercenary scientists from the pharmaceutical industry, we call them biostitutes, you know, to do the studies.
01:53:40.000And so, and there are people like that in all of the agencies, but it's not just firing people, it's getting rid of the perverse incentives Absolutely.
01:53:56.000You know, 50% of FDA's budget comes from pharma.
01:54:00.000NIH is allowed under the Bayh-Dole Act to collect, NIH scientists collect $150,000 a year on products that they regulate.
01:54:10.000And NIH itself, I mean, NIH owned the Moderna vaccine.
01:54:14.000So getting billions of dollars in profits, and there are six guys at NIH, top dogs, who get $150,000 a year forever because they worked on that vaccine.
01:54:24.000These are the guys that you want looking for problems in the product.
01:54:28.000You don't want them, you know, you don't want them being incentivized to overlook stuff, which is what they did.
01:54:35.000Are there any agencies that you think should be abolished completely?
01:55:32.000To destroy local controls, local economies, main streets, small businesses, and to financialize our economy and to send all of our industry abroad.
01:55:45.000So it needs to, you know, fundamental reforms.
01:57:06.000Infrastructure is we need to complete the 27 gaps in the wall that you know in the urban area you don't need to build a wall all the way from about 2,200 miles from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego.
01:57:18.000In the urban areas where immigrants and where illegal immigrants can quickly disappear you need a big physical barrier and I've been down there multiple times and we need to fill those gaps.
01:57:30.000We need in the in the more urban rural areas The reality is you need to make sure that you need to complete the fencing, you need to have the long-distance cameras, the night lights, the sensory devices that President Biden removed, and there's a few miles of access roads that need to be completed.
01:57:48.000In policy, we need to reinstate the Migrant Protection Act, which requires that people, migrants who are coming in from other countries, and have an asylum claim that they adjudicate those while they're still in Mexico before coming to the United States and change the catch-and-release program back to catch-and-return program.
01:58:12.000The Border Patrol roster, because of demoralization, because of all the unfair criticism they've been getting, is now at bare minimal levels.
01:58:21.000We need to revive that and we need to send probably 300 asylum court judges to the border.
01:58:28.000I have another program that I think will be more effective, which is I'm going to order the State Department and the Post Office to provide passport cards to every American who can't afford them.
01:58:44.000And that means that you'll be able to walk down to any post office with proof of citizenship and you're going to be able to have a federally issued photo ID.
01:58:57.000One is the big dispute between Democrats and Republicans about showing photo ID at the voting booth.
01:59:02.000The reason Democrats don't like that is because there are a lot of people in this country, millions, tens of millions, who don't have driver's licenses.
01:59:49.000We've got Reverend Al Sharpton, Andrew Young, a bunch of other civil rights leaders who agree that if I issue photo IDs to every American, that they will withdraw their objections to requiring a photo ID at voting booths.
02:00:09.000We eliminate this big source of tension.
02:01:40.000But so this would also, you're saying, so for voting you would need a voter ID, but... You would need any kind of government issued photo ID.
02:03:23.000Well, the weird thing about CNN is CNN made, I think, a big mistake, which is that it offered two criteria.
02:03:32.000One criteria was that That you need to be on the ballot in sufficient states to get 270 electoral votes.
02:03:41.000Well, by that date, we will have enough signatures to get, by the June 20th date, which is the cutoff date, we will have enough signatures to get 343.
02:04:29.000I thought the conversation was fascinating.
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