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00:01:27.000 Former Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan.

00:01:29.000 You guys remember her. 0.88

00:01:30.000 She's the one that had helped an illegal alien escape the clutches of ICE.

00:01:38.000 She has avoided jail time for obstructing arrest of an illegal immigrant.

00:01:41.000 So we're going to talk about that.

00:01:43.000 We've got some more information on the big court case, or I guess the deposition that's going on now, I think, of Charlie Kirk's.

00:01:51.000 What was that?

00:01:51.000 It's a pretrial hearing.

00:01:52.000 Oh, pretrial hearing, my bad.

00:01:54.000 Of Charlie Kirk's suspected assassin, the roommate.

00:01:59.000 Has been given immunity.

00:02:00.000 So we're going to talk about that a little bit.

00:02:02.000 There is some big news about H 1B visa fraud, right?

00:02:05.000 Like there's a big investigation that's started by the Justice Department.

00:02:09.000 I think they should just end the H 1B visa program altogether, but that's just me.

00:02:14.000 And then we're going to be talking about the war in Iran again because, you know, it just never ends. 1.00

00:02:21.000 It's just going to be bombing, bombing, bombing.

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00:02:44.000 Is that a.

00:02:45.000 I think it's Tate or Mark maybe?

00:02:46.000 Tate, maybe Mark.

00:02:47.000 It's Tate.

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00:03:01.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and.

00:03:04.000 All sorts of other things.

00:03:05.000 You know where you love her, Lauren Southern.

00:03:08.000 Who are you?

00:03:08.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:09.000 What do you do?

00:03:10.000 I am a documentary filmmaker.

00:03:12.000 I've been on the show a few years ago, and I recently wrote a book called This Is Not Real Life, and now I'm here in Vegas.

00:03:19.000 I was here to talk to Tim, but he's not here.

00:03:23.000 So I don't know what to do with that.

00:03:24.000 So we're chopped liver.

00:03:25.000 Lisa's here.

00:03:26.000 Hi, I'm back.

00:03:27.000 I don't know if you're going to love that or hate that, but here I am.

00:03:31.000 Is the book This Is Not Real Life about the internet?

00:03:31.000 Ian's here.

00:03:34.000 That's pretty cool.

00:03:34.000 It is about the internet.

00:03:36.000 It's about the internet.

00:03:36.000 It's about.

00:03:37.000 All of the kind of drama behind the scenes in the political world, what's really going on.

00:03:41.000 I only say I was here to talk to Tim because I'll be honest, the last episode of Tim Cast I watched was the episode where he reviewed my book and said I was lying about everything.

00:03:50.000 So I wanted to confront him on the show and show him all the evidence that I was telling the truth, not just for myself, but for the 40 plus other victims of the Tate brothers and their human trafficking campaign.

00:03:50.000 Oh!

00:04:00.000 But not here today.

00:04:03.000 I will talk smack about your book and then you can go ahead and reprimand me.

00:04:06.000 Carter's in the back.

00:04:08.000 Hold on.

00:04:09.000 So good to have all of you here, Lee.

00:04:12.000 Lauren, Ian, and Phil.

00:04:14.000 Let's get into it.

00:04:15.000 All right.

00:04:15.000 So we're going to start off with this story from Fox News about the Wisconsin judge, and then we'll get into the drama.

00:04:22.000 So, former Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan avoids jail time for obstructing the arrest of illegal immigrants.

00:04:28.000 Former Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan was ordered Wednesday to pay a $5,000 fine for obstructing the arrest of an illegal immigrant at a courthouse, but will not serve any prison time at all.

00:04:39.000 I think this is a situation where an otherwise good person Upset by immigration policies in this country, made a bad decision in the moment, said U.S. District Judge Lynn Edelman.

00:04:50.000 Dugan, 66, was convicted of felony obstruction last year after federal agents attempted to serve a warrant to Eduardo Flores Ruez on April 18, 2025.

00:04:58.000 She was acquitted of concealing an individual to prevent an arrest, a misdemeanor she faced up to five years in prison.

00:05:05.000 Prosecutors had asked that Dugan be sentenced to between 15 and 21 months.

00:05:10.000 Look, if you are actually aiding and abetting a criminal, And you get charged with a felony, you should go to jail, right?

00:05:18.000 Like that shouldn't, you shouldn't be able to avoid jail time just because you're a judge.

00:05:24.000 What do you think, Lisa?

00:05:24.000 I wasn't really honestly paying attention, so I have a question.

00:05:28.000 Is she allowed to still be a judge? 0.97

00:05:32.000 No, she's been a judge.

00:05:34.000 So then that's a good thing. 1.00

00:05:35.000 I do think she should be penalized. 1.00

00:05:36.000 I think she should be penalized.

00:05:38.000 I think that people keep getting away with a lot of things lately. 1.00

00:05:41.000 It's felony obstruction.

00:05:42.000 Yeah, I think it's a disgrace, but our justice system is obviously very, extremely broken in more ways than one.

00:05:49.000 And I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

00:05:52.000 So you have all these activist judges, of course, or DAs and all that.

00:05:57.000 Of course, she's going to get let off.

00:05:58.000 I don't know why anybody's surprised.

00:05:59.000 I mean, like a $5,000 fine, I don't know exactly what a judge gets paid.

00:06:02.000 That's not enough.

00:06:03.000 No, but I don't know what a judge gets paid, but I imagine it's probably either six figures or approaching six figures.

00:06:08.000 $5,000 seems very, very, like it's a very small amount for something that's a felony, right?

00:06:14.000 It sounds like a slap on the wrist, yeah.

00:06:17.000 Guys, we have to address this Lauren thing now because that's all I can think about.

00:06:21.000 And this doesn't mean anything.

00:06:22.000 Like, I need to know.

00:06:23.000 I need to know right now.

00:06:25.000 Like, I'm sitting here and I'm like, I need to know.

00:06:26.000 I'm like, look at that.

00:06:27.000 I was like, look at this.

00:06:29.000 You can't just, like, have put an elephant on the table and, like, I could go over articles and pretend like.

00:06:33.000 I thought you were going to do it for a minute.

00:06:34.000 I was very impressed.

00:06:36.000 Me?

00:06:36.000 I was not.

00:06:37.000 Lisa has very little self control.

00:06:39.000 No, it's not that I have self control. 0.65

00:06:40.000 It's just like the audience heard that.

00:06:42.000 No, I know.

00:06:42.000 You don't have self control.

00:06:43.000 I even felt like I had self control.

00:06:45.000 Keep going.

00:06:45.000 It's like the audience heard that, right?

00:06:47.000 I heard that.

00:06:48.000 I'm shocked.

00:06:48.000 Lauren did say, I bet, right before we started, she goes, I bet you don't have any idea what I'm going to say.

00:06:53.000 And now I was like, no, I pretty much do know you, Lauren, right?

00:06:57.000 No, I did not.

00:06:58.000 You were correct.

00:06:58.000 I really respect that when we were talking, you were like, we've been going over the same 10 topics on this show over and over again for the last decade.

00:07:04.000 10 years.

00:07:05.000 For the last 10 years.

00:07:06.000 Well, the truth is, all politics is that.

00:07:07.000 Yes.

00:07:08.000 It is 100%.

00:07:09.000 I was complaining that, like, I don't maybe not have enough anything to really contribute because we've been having the same conversations about the same topic.

00:07:17.000 It's a dialogue tree where you can't watch political content anymore because you can predict every single thing that every commentator is going to say.

00:07:23.000 Because if you go off the plantation of the 20 potential talking points, you could get kicked out of the small pool of commentators that exists right now.

00:07:30.000 I don't even know if it's that.

00:07:31.000 I think that people are so ingrained in how they already feel that, like, they stick and then they don't want to change or they don't.

00:07:39.000 Want to evolve, and then they drag their heels.

00:07:42.000 They're like in the trenches, and they're like, No, no, no, this is my position.

00:07:45.000 And like, but you also know their personalities.

00:07:47.000 Like, I know James is going to say, like, he was on last night.

00:07:49.000 I know what you're going to say.

00:07:50.000 I know what Ian's going to say.

00:07:50.000 I know what Lauren's going to say for the most part.

00:07:52.000 So I'm like, I don't enjoy political commentary anymore because I already know where they're going to go.

00:07:56.000 When I started doing political commentary, though, I was still a libertarian guy, and I'm definitely not a libertarian.

00:08:01.000 I've evolved.

00:08:02.000 Okay, so fine.

00:08:02.000 I was like, you know, like a regular conservative, and now I'm like a right wing authoritarian type person.

00:08:08.000 Yeah.

00:08:09.000 But this is where I think the problem came with that episode you did on my book is there.

00:08:13.000 Like, even with this, we're talking about this story.

00:08:16.000 Former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan avoids jail time.

00:08:18.000 I've never read anything about this story.

00:08:20.000 If I were on the show three years ago, I would have quickly skimmed it and made up a take so that I didn't have nothing to say.

00:08:26.000 And I saw this with the episode that you guys did on my book where you talk about my allegations against the Tate brothers.

00:08:30.000 And you say.

00:08:31.000 First of all, I'd say I wasn't on that one.

00:08:32.000 And I don't know.

00:08:33.000 You weren't on that one, actually.

00:08:34.000 I was?

00:08:34.000 Yes.

00:08:35.000 Was I?

00:08:35.000 Or maybe it was the after show that you were on.

00:08:37.000 I can't remember if you were, but Tim said Lauren is lying. 1.00

00:08:40.000 I think she's lying because she did this to make money.

00:08:44.000 Now, I could come out with a month or two of YouTube video ads and make more than I made off my entire book in over a year.

00:08:51.000 I don't understand why you wrote that book.

00:08:53.000 Why did I write that book?

00:08:54.000 Because I wrote it for me when I was younger.

00:08:56.000 I actually just got an email two days ago from a young girl who said, I used to watch your videos when I was younger, and I fell into kind of believing everything in the media world was real.

00:09:04.000 It almost ruined my life, and I read your book, and it helped me get out of that.

00:09:07.000 That's right, but it also helped people understand.

00:09:09.000 I felt bad for you when you wrote that because you got a lot of backlash, right?

00:09:12.000 Yes.

00:09:13.000 And it was like you were.

00:09:14.000 Airing your own dirty laundry, and that's something my parents told me never to do, right? 0.99

00:09:17.000 I do tell my shit and like own a lot of stuff, like, I'm a hot mess, people know that, right? 0.99

00:09:21.000 But, like, um, or times I can. 0.99

00:09:23.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:09:25.000 I joined the UK court case.

00:09:26.000 I've already testified in the Romanian court case.

00:09:28.000 My information was going to be leaked.

00:09:30.000 The Tate brothers already have actually just recently got pulled into court on 11 separate charges of trying to intimidate and destroy the reputations of witnesses.

00:09:39.000 The second I joined those cases, there was going to be a mass campaign against me.

00:09:44.000 My name was going to be all over the place, and the Tate brothers were going to be able to just slander me all over the board.

00:09:49.000 They already paid Milo Yiannopoulos, his firm Tarantula, to try to destroy my reputation before.

00:09:54.000 He came out with articles about me in 2019 post the incident that.

00:09:58.000 Helped destroy my reputation.

00:10:00.000 So it was kind of a I can come out with my story and then join the cases and testify, or they can come out with their campaigns and bots to try to destroy my reputation.

00:10:10.000 Either way, my reputation is getting dragged through the mud.

00:10:13.000 But I was the only one with medical evidence from the time.

00:10:15.000 If you own it, then it's your, then you own it.

00:10:17.000 Then at least I get to tell my story.

00:10:19.000 So I had medical evidence from the time.

00:10:21.000 Somehow I was able to predict years before they were famous that his MO was strangulation.

00:10:26.000 Three years before the, um, Vice article came out saying that's what he did to all the other victims in the UK.

00:10:32.000 It would be literally impossible for me to get a DeLorean and come back in time and decide to make up all this and make a medical report and know the MO just to sell a book that I've made barely any money off of in 2025.

00:10:47.000 Can you give a little context for the viewers that aren't familiar with the situation about what you're talking about?

00:10:51.000 Because there are people in the chat that are talking.

00:10:53.000 They're not sure what the book is.

00:10:54.000 We don't know who Andrew Tate is somehow.

00:10:56.000 He is currently on trial in both the UK and the US for something else and Romania.

00:11:02.000 For sex trafficking.

00:11:04.000 He ran a webcam industry where he brought girls in, convinced them they were in love, he was going to marry them, took their passports, and made them do sexual content.

00:11:12.000 The charges are against 40 plus victims, both in the UK and Romania.

00:11:18.000 And some of them are underage.

00:11:20.000 They just recently, actually, it was just the last week that it came out that they made over a million dollars on a 17 year old that they were sexually trafficking and sleeping with.

00:11:27.000 And I didn't know at the time in 2018, but Tommy Robinson brought me out to meet Tate, claiming he was going to be a business investor for a kind of right wing company we would make.

00:11:37.000 And I went to a, it's all very convoluted, but we went and had this business meeting.

00:11:41.000 It was a total disaster.

00:11:45.000 Tate and his team call and say, Lori, are you still like, this was in Romania at their little compound?

00:11:50.000 Yeah, but what year?

00:11:51.000 This was 2018.

00:11:52.000 At the very beginning, like January, February, 2018.

00:11:52.000 2018.

00:11:55.000 And then they invite me to a club.

00:11:58.000 I have two drinks, get completely wasted somehow, like blackout drunk.

00:12:02.000 Tate brings me back to the hotel room, strangles me, assaults me, crazy incident.

00:12:08.000 I go to a hospital.

00:12:09.000 I report it.

00:12:10.000 I don't want to make it a big media deal.

00:12:12.000 And then years later, he starts going viral online for having human trafficking, mass assault, rape cases, all these things.

00:12:19.000 And I'm feeling guilty as hell because I know I have contemporary medical evidence and text message evidence that I can give to the courts.

00:12:25.000 But I don't want to deal with the online shitstorm that's going to come from that.

00:12:28.000 I'm literally the girl who built her career on, you know, I'm not a feminist. 0.98

00:12:32.000 All these women are lying, da, So I sit on this evidence for years and years and years. 0.52

00:12:37.000 And eventually, after various kind of career incidents, including the tenant media scandal, My text messages with Steven being released, all this kind of stuff. 0.97

00:12:45.000 I'm like, why am I sitting here on this pile of lies that I'm telling that make me miserable? 0.98

00:12:51.000 I need to just tell the truth about all of it, join the court cases, take a step back from media, and get my head back in order because I think all of this is kind of built on bullshit. 0.98

00:13:00.000 But it's not even about me. 0.90

00:13:01.000 Like, to me, I don't care if people are sympathetic with me.

00:13:04.000 You can hate me, love me, don't care anymore.

00:13:07.000 There are 40 plus women that are victims that needed my evidence, that needed my testimony out there, and I'm happy to help them.

00:13:14.000 And on this show, I don't think.

00:13:16.000 Tim did any research on the case.

00:13:18.000 I don't think people read because no one reads the headlines.

00:13:21.000 It's just so quick hit news.

00:13:22.000 All of these podcasts.

00:13:23.000 I don't even remember.

00:13:24.000 I mean, I'd be honest.

00:13:25.000 No one remembers.

00:13:26.000 I don't even remember.

00:13:26.000 I'm going to be honest.

00:13:27.000 It's selfish.

00:13:28.000 It's like it personally affected me.

00:13:30.000 The headline stuff.

00:13:31.000 Oh, we're just going to read the headline, give a hot take on it.

00:13:34.000 Oh, that's a friend of mine of 10 years.

00:13:36.000 It personally affected me. 0.99

00:13:37.000 And that's when I started caring, which is fucked. 1.00

00:13:39.000 It's fucked. 1.00

00:13:40.000 I'm going to be honest. 1.00

00:13:41.000 Before I knew you, okay?

00:13:42.000 Right?

00:13:42.000 Because we met, what, probably 2022, 21, something like that, like in person.

00:13:49.000 I had, you know, I worked with Tommy.

00:13:51.000 I started working with him in.

00:13:54.000 2018.

00:13:55.000 And then it wasn't, but he was in prison basically.

00:13:58.000 So it wasn't until like he got out in like October, November.

00:14:00.000 So that was after your incident.

00:14:02.000 However, I had heard things about you prior.

00:14:07.000 I'm sure you had.

00:14:07.000 Prior to meeting you.

00:14:09.000 One, and the stuff with the Andrew Tate stuff wasn't that, wasn't anything really bad.

00:14:14.000 It was just like, oh, you know, Lauren was there and she was, you know, kissing him outside his door and like she was really into it.

00:14:21.000 That was basically it.

00:14:22.000 Yeah, that's the story Tommy told.

00:14:23.000 And then he also went publicly after and said that I traveled back to Romania to see him again.

00:14:27.000 Now, the problem with Tommy's stories and the way that he lies is he'll just go a little too far.

00:14:33.000 He said, I went back to Romania in his debunking.

00:14:36.000 Unfortunately, I have evidence that I never returned to the country.

00:14:39.000 I have travel documents that show that.

00:14:41.000 And I've submitted this and I've publicly posted it, and Tommy will never respond to that.

00:14:45.000 He couldn't give a date I went to the country because it would overlap with another place I was publicly.

00:14:51.000 He lied.

00:14:52.000 He lied, and he will never respond to me.

00:14:54.000 But I could say that about the Kalen and George thing.

00:14:58.000 When you said that Kalen and George were mad.

00:15:01.000 Like, Tommy was mad when you came back because Kaylin and George were working with you and they weren't there.

00:15:05.000 But I know that they were there because they met us at a bar that night in a thing, right?

00:15:09.000 Sorry, where, what?

00:15:11.000 You said in one of your books or your things that Kaylin and like Tommy was really angry because Kaylin and George were working with you in your documentary and you guys were down.

00:15:19.000 And you and I discussed this before.

00:15:20.000 And you were down in like they weren't there when he got out of jail to like do, to work for him and do his videos.

00:15:26.000 This is what you said somewhere.

00:15:27.000 You and I were.

00:15:28.000 He was a little frustrated that we were splitting the time.

00:15:29.000 I don't remember the exact time.

00:15:31.000 They went back and visited him.

00:15:32.000 You and I had discussed this before.

00:15:33.000 But so what I'm saying is like, You were upset that, you know, like you, I said to you, like, no, no, no, they were there because, um, I know because I saw them at a bar or whatever and they were with Tommy and getting married.

00:15:45.000 I hear what you're getting at.

00:15:46.000 My point is, is that like that is just like a different perspective.

00:15:50.000 It's not a different perspective.

00:15:52.000 I have evidence that has been signed by lawyers and I have a passport that shows I never returned to the country.

00:15:57.000 But maybe he'd say I have text messages from Tate to his war room saying, I'm not saying that.

00:16:02.000 I'm saying maybe he, we were never going to make an investment.

00:16:05.000 We brought her here because I'm a pimp.

00:16:07.000 He said this in text messages that I have that I published.

00:16:10.000 Tate.

00:16:10.000 No, no, no, but I was like, Tommy said you go back to Romania.

00:16:13.000 Yes, Tommy said that.

00:16:14.000 And he said he knew that for a fact.

00:16:15.000 Because somebody told him that.

00:16:17.000 Well, so then why would he go online and say he knows that for a fact?

00:16:20.000 Because maybe he's trusting whoever said that.

00:16:22.000 But I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to him. 0.96

00:16:24.000 Well, when it has to do with a Muslim grooming gang, maybe he should be a little more careful.

00:16:30.000 I'm just saying that, like, don't attribute that to him.

00:16:32.000 Not to mention he's received tens of thousands of dollars from the Tate brothers.

00:16:35.000 I don't know.

00:16:37.000 I didn't know.

00:16:37.000 Unless this is proven as well.

00:16:38.000 But.

00:16:38.000 My point is, what I'm saying, don't attribute that to malice.

00:16:41.000 Like, I wouldn't consider a lie.

00:16:42.000 Maybe it's, you know, he got the information wrong. 0.92

00:16:44.000 But, like, the other day, he reported that I worked for Hope Not Hate, which Hope Not Hate then responded to and said, not only has she never worked for us, we got her banned from the UK, which is true.

00:16:54.000 And Tommy's met with us multiple times. 0.93

00:16:57.000 I published multiple responses to Tommy's lies about me, which he will never respond to.

00:17:01.000 Ask him, give a date.

00:17:01.000 I'll talk to you later.

00:17:02.000 When did Lauren return to Romania?

00:17:03.000 Ask him.

00:17:04.000 When did Lauren return to Romania?

00:17:05.000 He won't be able to give one because he's lying, Lisa. 0.99

00:17:09.000 And he's lying to protect his ass because he brought me out there knowing full well who Tate is because they worked together in Luton when they were gangsters when they were younger. 0.98

00:17:17.000 Listen, I've been working with Tommy for a really long time. 1.00

00:17:19.000 I don't see him trying to protect his ass. 0.99

00:17:20.000 I don't disagree. 0.99

00:17:21.000 I don't disagree with the people who are fighting for a better Britain.

00:17:26.000 I don't disagree with the people who are pissed off with the grooming gangs.

00:17:28.000 I don't disagree with the people who are patriots and want their country back, but they're getting scammed and lied to by people.

00:17:35.000 Look at the Unite the Kingdom rally, the UTK coin that was rug pulled immediately after the rally by Tommy and his friends.

00:17:41.000 That's insane.

00:17:42.000 This is proven.

00:17:44.000 How much money was lost in that?

00:17:46.000 You can go look at the data on that.

00:17:48.000 Pilmico or Plymico Journal did a huge piece on it.

00:17:51.000 They're just fleecing it's Groundhog Day of fake.

00:17:54.000 Fake court cases over and over again.

00:17:56.000 They're not fake court cases.

00:17:57.000 Yes, they are.

00:17:58.000 Lauren, I'm involved in them.

00:17:59.000 They're not fake court cases.

00:18:00.000 I promise you they're not.

00:18:02.000 So, why did he plead guilty to the case with the young Muslim boy, the defamation case? 0.95

00:18:09.000 He actually did. 0.72

00:18:10.000 He didn't plead guilty?

00:18:11.000 No, look what happened.

00:18:12.000 People can Google this.

00:18:14.000 He walked in and said he needed hundreds of thousands of dollars for his defense and then he pled guilty.

00:18:18.000 He did need hundreds of thousands of dollars because he was still trying to get silenced out.

00:18:24.000 What.

00:18:25.000 What the case was, right?

00:18:26.000 Have you read the Hijazi court case?

00:18:28.000 I haven't read the court case.

00:18:31.000 I'm helping him get his lawyers because I was involved in a lot of that stuff because I was there when we first met Bailey and interviewed Bailey.

00:18:39.000 So, do you know who Bailey is?

00:18:41.000 Yes, I know who Bailey is and I know his mother.

00:18:44.000 Bailey's the kid who got the waterboarded or whatever the kid.

00:18:48.000 Do you know who his dad is or his brother is?

00:18:50.000 He doesn't even, I don't care who his brother is.

00:18:52.000 One of Tommy's very good friends.

00:18:54.000 Tommy knows who they've been dealing together with.

00:18:55.000 Let me just say this.

00:18:56.000 Which is why he came out and defended Bailey.

00:18:58.000 Not true.

00:18:58.000 Reese, we didn't even know them.

00:19:00.000 Because when I was there that day.

00:19:01.000 So you're saying Tommy doesn't know his brother?

00:19:04.000 He didn't until that day.

00:19:05.000 He didn't know it was.

00:19:06.000 I swear to you on everything I love because we had just had one.

00:19:09.000 He'd never met his brother, Reese.

00:19:10.000 No.

00:19:10.000 Okay, because he has posts online of showing they were best mates together at all times.

00:19:13.000 I'm telling you right now, when I went up there to Huntersfield, we were introduced.

00:19:17.000 That's totally fine.

00:19:18.000 I'll post it on Twitter after this. 0.84

00:19:19.000 We were introduced to Bailey.

00:19:21.000 I was introduced to Bailey and his mom.

00:19:22.000 I'm the one that found the Airbnb for them to stay at when they were being attacked and all that.

00:19:27.000 So the girl who said she was attacked by Jamal Hijazi, when they went to court, do you know what happened?

00:19:32.000 The girl who said she was attacked by the Huntersfield incident?

00:19:34.000 She took it back.

00:19:35.000 She didn't just take it back.

00:19:36.000 There was evidence that it didn't happen.

00:19:37.000 She said that she was on medication.

00:19:39.000 She said that she had to go to therapy.

00:19:41.000 The doctor said not only was she not on any medication, she said she went and got a hospital report.

00:19:46.000 None of this was true.

00:19:48.000 She was afraid of the people who were threatening her.

00:19:51.000 So she made up that there was a hospital report, medication that she was taking because she was afraid of the people threatening her?

00:19:56.000 She changed her mind.

00:19:57.000 And then the other mother, because she said her kids were attacked by Hijazi, messaged Tommy and said, Please, I lied.

00:20:04.000 I just wanted attention from you because they were getting threatened by Muslim people in the community. 1.00

00:20:10.000 That is why. 1.00

00:20:11.000 Yes, Lawrence, that's why.

00:20:12.000 There's no evidence that the Hijazi family had to get those girls black and blue. 0.57

00:20:16.000 That is why Tommy lost the defamation case. 0.51

00:20:18.000 That is why he lost the defamation case.

00:20:20.000 That's fine.

00:20:21.000 But I will tell you right now, those people were being rounded.

00:20:24.000 Like, we had to go get their clothes out of a building. 0.81

00:20:27.000 And there were Muslim gangs people riding around in a circle in Huntersfield, okay, riding around us to threaten those people. 0.85

00:20:36.000 I don't deny that there was not only threats going on, there was threats going on on both sides. 0.64

00:20:39.000 The family, the Hijazi family had to get CCTV, they had to pull the kids out of school, they had to move neighborhoods, and I'm sure the other way around because politics is incredibly radicalized with insane people on both sides who don't read court cases, who don't care about the facts, who are willing to make up things. 0.77

00:20:54.000 I was saying all of it. 0.99

00:20:55.000 Tommy admitted that his initial posts saying that he beat girls black and blue were untrue.

00:21:00.000 No, we had them.

00:21:01.000 This is what they said.

00:21:02.000 We had stacks of, and we brought them with us to meet them for that interview, stacks of Facebook documents, like printouts of people saying that this is how this guy behaves.

00:21:12.000 Including the woman who said that she lied and she made the decision.

00:21:15.000 Yes, and then.

00:21:16.000 But it wasn't in that what when we first met them and interviewed Bailey, those that like her retraction wasn't in there.

00:21:23.000 We went and interviewed him when with his original post with all that evidence.

00:21:27.000 Tommy had the stacks of paper in his.

00:21:28.000 I would encourage people to go read the case themselves or go read my article on Substack about it because it's the evidence is pretty compelling if you read it.

00:21:35.000 But this is like, we are now in the weeks.

00:21:38.000 The synopsis, my point is that we wanted to know why she read the book.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, this is kind of a right now, this is actually kind of one of the reasons that I'm not even smoking on, dude.

00:21:46.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:21:48.000 And don't take this as some kind of insult.

00:21:50.000 Let me finish.

00:21:51.000 Stop fighting.

00:21:53.000 Stop fighting.

00:21:54.000 Enough.

00:21:55.000 This has kind of devolved into an argument between two people about a third person.

00:21:59.000 Right, and Tim's not here.

00:22:00.000 Well, no, it's not even about Tim.

00:22:01.000 It's about time.

00:22:02.000 I need a bottle opener.

00:22:03.000 This is very important right now.

00:22:05.000 God forbid, Andrew.

00:22:06.000 No wonder why you wanted the movie.

00:22:07.000 All right, so the point is so you wrote the book, and then Tim said that you were.

00:22:07.000 God forbid.

00:22:13.000 Did he say the words you're lying?

00:22:14.000 Yeah, I don't think she's lying.

00:22:16.000 And you know what?

00:22:17.000 I actually don't mind if he just says we don't know or we don't care because that's.

00:22:21.000 This isn't even about me.

00:22:22.000 Like, yes, the story about me was the thing that triggered it because I obviously know this story is true.

00:22:27.000 And I'm like, man, that's a wild way to handle a story.

00:22:30.000 And I don't think you read the evidence.

00:22:31.000 I don't think you even read my posts about it.

00:22:34.000 It's about how we handle all of these stories.

00:22:36.000 Because I've been on Timcast before, I've done this show.

00:22:40.000 And it's you, we pull up these headlines, we comment on them without reading the legal case, without reading any of the documents.

00:22:47.000 And you just come up with a hot take.

00:22:48.000 And it actually affects people's lives and it affects the listeners and it affects people's intelligence.

00:22:53.000 And this is like, even if.

00:22:55.000 You guys are kind of against the Candace Owensification conspiracy stuff.

00:22:58.000 I think the way that the right wing ecosystem is formed right now, just trying to get hot takes as quick as possible, is resulting in the dumbest stuff being amplified.

00:23:08.000 Do you think that that's just the right wing ecosystem? 0.81

00:23:10.000 Of course, but it's like this tit for tat. 0.94

00:23:12.000 Everyone was like, well, the left wing media lied, so now we have to be retards to it. 0.92

00:23:16.000 No, that's not really what I'm thinking. 1.00

00:23:17.000 The point that I'm making is not about the right wing or the left wing or who's worse or whatever.

00:23:23.000 Right now, the way that people get their information is all hot takes, right?

00:23:27.000 That's the entire design of like X. People's Facebook feeds are very rarely are they actually, you know, they don't actually lay out stories or if they do, they have like a, you know, a headline and then a, you know, a link to an article that they likely haven't read.

00:23:42.000 And I mean, I'll be, look, I'll be the first person to admit that there have definitely been times where I'll see an article on X or something like that and I'll retweet the article without reading the whole thing.

00:23:52.000 I'll like, you know, just read the headline or whatever.

00:23:54.000 It's just how the media ecosystem works now.

00:23:56.000 So, do you think that's just kind of the way that modern information is disseminated?

00:24:04.000 I mean, it's a race to the bottom.

00:24:06.000 It's a race to the bottom because you can't compete unless you're getting the take out as soon as possible.

00:24:10.000 Do you guys know what AI model collapse is?

00:24:12.000 No.

00:24:13.000 When AI is just learning from itself, essentially, so it just gets increasingly deep fried.

00:24:18.000 Fidelity, yeah.

00:24:19.000 This is what's happening with journalism.

00:24:20.000 It's like journalism model collapse.

00:24:23.000 We're all taking, no one's going into the real world and getting stories anymore.

00:24:28.000 Like, I know Tim from 10 years ago because we used to go to protests together in the street and do firsthand journalism.

00:24:28.000 Tim started.

00:24:34.000 Now, it doesn't economically make sense to go and do journalism.

00:24:37.000 It makes sense to steal stories from other people and comment on them.

00:24:41.000 And then we're stealing stories from people who weren't there, from people who weren't there, from people who weren't there that are sitting in their basements and not experiencing real life.

00:24:47.000 And we're having a collapse of any legitimate conversation.

00:24:50.000 Like, all of the people online are talking about phenomenons that no one in day to day life cares about for the most part.

00:24:57.000 It's just like complete.

00:24:59.000 Or that we shouldn't care about.

00:25:01.000 It's like what I say.

00:25:03.000 We should not be interested in what's happening a million miles away.

00:25:07.000 We should be interested in what's happening in our own community.

00:25:10.000 Is that what you're saying? 1.00

00:25:10.000 I'm not interested in what's happening in Israel. 1.00

00:25:12.000 They're not a million miles away.

00:25:12.000 That's fine.

00:25:13.000 I want to ask you a question.

00:25:15.000 Tim is on the Candace.

00:25:16.000 What were you trying to get at there?

00:25:19.000 I don't know how you guys feel about the Candace Owens stuff, but I feel like I don't want to amplify insanity.

00:25:24.000 I don't know, I feel like Candace is experiencing madness at a level that she's never experienced before.

00:25:28.000 She's confused and in a lot of pain, and so she's just looking for it.

00:25:31.000 I love how you just like toss confused in a lot of pain.

00:25:34.000 Well, she's also, I think that's Tim's position, but I don't necessarily think that's mine.

00:25:39.000 I mean, not like I don't know her, but she's making money and she's I think she's 100%.

00:25:43.000 I don't think she's Joan Ferrand.

00:25:44.000 I think she 100% believes it, and whatever, whatever reason.

00:25:47.000 That is because she believes it.

00:25:48.000 I don't know.

00:25:49.000 It's not my business.

00:25:49.000 But, like, I do think she believes it in her heart.

00:25:52.000 I don't think she's doing it right.

00:25:53.000 I'm about to move the bathroom and I don't want to miss a beat.

00:25:55.000 But let me say about skepticism in media.

00:25:57.000 If you pull up an article like Lauren's story and you don't believe it, the best thing to say is, I don't know if that's true.

00:26:03.000 I don't believe it.

00:26:04.000 Rather than say, that's a lie.

00:26:05.000 If you don't know it's a lie, just try not to claim it without evidence that it is a lie.

00:26:11.000 And just because something's untrue doesn't necessarily mean it's a lie.

00:26:13.000 Maybe they got the information from someone else and they thought it was true.

00:26:16.000 So they were wrong.

00:26:17.000 There's a lot of times where there's like two sides to every story.

00:26:20.000 There's like Greg.

00:26:21.000 Things and people have their own versions of things, and then there's the truth.

00:26:26.000 A lie is, this is maybe semantics, but lies are motivated, and if you get something wrong, you get something wrong.

00:26:31.000 But the question is, do people actually want to push a narrative regardless of whether or not it's true, or are they actually just getting something wrong?

00:26:40.000 See, I'd be okay with accepting that Tommy just made a mistake if he responded to any of my, like I just retweeted, you can go to my Twitter and check out my response to him, Power to Free Speech.

00:26:50.000 He never responded.

00:26:51.000 To me, debunking him.

00:26:52.000 If he was interested in truth, you would say, Wow, Lauren, I'm really sorry.

00:26:55.000 Someone told me you traveled back to Romania, but I got that wrong. 0.97

00:26:59.000 And because I care about Muslims' grouping games.

00:27:01.000 Thank you. 0.96

00:27:02.000 I'm going to look into this a little further.

00:27:04.000 But the problem is he's friends and he's complicit and he's in too deep.

00:27:08.000 The funny thing is, is like when you say he's friends with the Tate Brothers, I have texts with him where he was irritated with the Tate Brothers.

00:27:14.000 Of course he's irritated because their connection is wrecking his reputation with them.

00:27:18.000 No, he was irritated with them because of their like, Turn to Islam for a while or whatever, like going to.

00:27:24.000 Right, not doing human trafficking.

00:27:26.000 Continue.

00:27:26.000 Correct.

00:27:27.000 But whatever, my point is, like, he was irritated with them.

00:27:29.000 So, like, to blindly defend them for whatever, like, I don't want to get into the Tommy stuff, but to blindly defend them, like, I don't think that that's like his motivation there because there's times where he's been increasingly irritated with them.

00:27:42.000 He's like, you know, they're encouraging people to, you know, turn to Islam and things like that. 0.53

00:27:48.000 They were for a period of time.

00:27:49.000 I don't think they're doing that anymore.

00:27:50.000 Yeah, that's all an act, too.

00:27:51.000 That's all a paid for act.

00:27:51.000 Just like Tommy gets paid to promote the IDF or whatever.

00:27:54.000 Everyone's getting paid.

00:27:56.000 Come on.

00:27:57.000 He would laugh about it at bars with us.

00:27:58.000 He'd say, I'm getting so much money from these people.

00:28:01.000 I knew him in person too.

00:28:02.000 But there were times from like 2018, 2019, 2020.

00:28:05.000 He doesn't care because they're doing that.

00:28:06.000 He just doesn't like that act because it's bad to be associated with his act.

00:28:09.000 No, I tried to get Jewish donors and people from Israel to come to Israel.

00:28:14.000 You think he wanted to go on a vacation to Israel and take pictures with the IDF for kicks and giggles?

00:28:19.000 Because that's what he loves doing.

00:28:20.000 From 2018 to 2020, when I was heavily involved with his MVP campaign and all those Tommy rallies, I couldn't get. 0.92

00:28:28.000 Jewish donors to donate to him for anything. 0.99

00:28:31.000 Okay, well, he's able to get them in the background. 0.86

00:28:35.000 Maybe they don't want to be publicly associated.

00:28:37.000 This is the one that we had. 0.98

00:28:38.000 And you know, I'm not even saying, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that as like some, oh, the Jews, blah, blah. 0.56

00:28:42.000 I'm saying this as in like everyone in this space is being foreign funded or corporate funded right now.

00:28:47.000 Like it's over 50% of the people in, like I do believe there are political groups.

00:28:53.000 Like I think Tim Cass, they came from kind of the original crew of political influencers, made money organically for sure.

00:28:58.000 Daily Wire, you know, they're American funded.

00:29:00.000 But like, All of the tons of the dissident media, which were supposed to be attacking the mainstream as being controlled, are now entirely foreign funded and controlled.

00:29:10.000 Like the amount of money coming, I mean, look at the Russia stuff.

00:29:13.000 Okay, let me talk about the Tenet Media thing.

00:29:15.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 We talk about Tenet Media.

00:29:18.000 We got the deal with Tenet Media.

00:29:20.000 I ran the Culture War show that was exclusively on there.

00:29:23.000 Tim didn't even know who the guests were until Friday.

00:29:25.000 Okay.

00:29:26.000 The only one person they ever told me to book was Savannah Hernandez, and I was like, no.

00:29:26.000 Nobody told me.

00:29:30.000 But the idea of what we were doing.

00:29:30.000 Right.

00:29:31.000 The idea of pulling funding isn't we're going to tell you what to do.

00:29:35.000 It's they find people who are against the mainstream media because the mainstream media are against Russia, and they try to amplify those people.

00:29:44.000 Just because this is what I had to say in my parliament hearing with the Canadian government, they're like, well, you were paid to say that.

00:29:48.000 I just did really well on that.

00:29:49.000 Thank you.

00:29:50.000 You were paid to say that Canadians have problems with grocery prices and immigration.

00:29:54.000 And I'm like, I wasn't paid to say that.

00:29:56.000 Those are genuine problems Canadians worry about, right?

00:29:59.000 Those are real problems.

00:30:00.000 But there is a truth that when Russia or China or Israel fund certain people, even if they don't know, I think most of the time they do, there is a purpose behind what they're doing.

00:30:11.000 I've heard this argument, though, that it's like.

00:30:13.000 You think they just did it for no reason?

00:30:15.000 No, no, no.

00:30:15.000 No, but I've heard this argument like, okay, if.

00:30:19.000 Russia likes your positions, then maybe you should realize that and reevaluate your positions.

00:30:23.000 I've heard that.

00:30:24.000 I don't agree with that.

00:30:24.000 I've heard that, right?

00:30:25.000 And I'm thinking, well, that's ridiculous because this is legitimately how we feel.

00:30:29.000 These are the debates that I set up that I thought people would want to see, that I thought were important to have.

00:30:33.000 It was both sides of the table.

00:30:35.000 And guess what?

00:30:36.000 The side that I preferred lost a lot of times in a lot of those debates.

00:30:39.000 So, like, I don't think that that's, you know, I think what they want to do is they want to grow.

00:30:44.000 This is what I'm thinking in the end they wanted to do with Tenet was grow a platform big enough.

00:30:49.000 Right to where it started getting attention, and then they could insert whatever they want on an already big platform.

00:30:54.000 Maybe that was it, but I don't think it's like, um, you know, they liked what Tim was saying so much.

00:30:59.000 And it was, no, I don't think it was that.

00:31:00.000 I don't think it was that.

00:31:01.000 To Lauren's point, though, like the foreign influence and stuff like that, I mean, you, you maybe you do see it.

00:31:06.000 Do you think anybody we know is an influence on China?

00:31:08.000 Let me get a word in here.

00:31:10.000 The point that I'm making, this is a girl's show.

00:31:12.000 The point that I'm making, because right now, you know, uh, Hassan Piker's under investigation for ties to China.

00:31:19.000 And there's definitely a lot of that kind of stuff that comes from the left.

00:31:22.000 There's allegations.

00:31:24.000 Everybody loves to blame Israel for paying everybody.

00:31:27.000 And there are definitely people that are very pro Israel and stuff.

00:31:31.000 So the idea that all of the independent media is somehow on the take, I think that's overstating it.

00:31:38.000 But there's definitely a significant portion of the independent media that's.

00:31:44.000 I know Qatar gives a lot of money.

00:31:45.000 I do know Qatar.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:31:47.000 If you rely on ad revenue, you're basically compelled to the core.

00:31:50.000 Well, no, but that's not what we're talking about, though.

00:31:54.000 We're not talking about like actual foreign influence from countries.

00:31:57.000 Even for tweets people send, like there are people that work within the political space that are given large sums of money just to talk to influencers and say, hey, tweet out that you like this candidate.

00:32:07.000 And I've been contacted by these people.

00:32:09.000 I know people who get tons of money doing this all day long.

00:32:12.000 And none of it is ever going to be discovered until maybe like 10 years from now.

00:32:15.000 It's like any sort of crazy theory.

00:32:17.000 You find out the CIA was doing XYZ like 50 years later when they release the documents or do the actual studies.

00:32:22.000 And when you're in it and you've I've lived in the media ecosystem for 10 years.

00:32:26.000 Like, it's so scary because I see it and I see all of the stuff that the public don't see, and no one's going to talk about it because we're all benefiting too much.

00:32:35.000 There's too much money to be made.

00:32:37.000 So, take, take, take, let's take, I want to take this example.

00:32:39.000 People love to say that the NRA pays a lot of people.

00:32:42.000 Of course they do.

00:32:43.000 But who does this?

00:32:44.000 Well, no, but the point that I'm making is the NRA tends to find people that are already pro gun and fund them.

00:32:51.000 Do you think that the situation is, and I think that that's probably the most likely the situation, right?

00:32:51.000 Right?

00:32:51.000 Yes.

00:32:56.000 If China is somehow involved in, or China or Cuba are somehow involved in giving Hassan Piker money, they're not giving Hassan Piker money to change his opinion.

00:33:05.000 He already has these opinions and they're just trying to promote him.

00:33:08.000 Yes and no.

00:33:08.000 So, like, in 2018.

00:33:10.000 So, the point that I'm making is how disingenuous is it if people are like, oh, this person has these opinions, so let's promote them and we'll work?

00:33:18.000 I think it's more convoluted than people even give it credit to.

00:33:20.000 It's like inception.

00:33:21.000 Because I remember in 2018, I was invited to Russia and I went there that summer.

00:33:26.000 And I was invited there by a Belgian politician who, like, I paid for everything, but he just kind of made little suggestions here and there.

00:33:35.000 And he kept insisting go to the Donbass and do a story on the Russian oppression there.

00:33:40.000 You need to do this.

00:33:41.000 I can get you military access, this and that.

00:33:43.000 It felt way too weird to me.

00:33:45.000 So I said, no.

00:33:46.000 I go home.

00:33:47.000 Years later, I find out he was a Chinese spy.

00:33:50.000 He was arrested as a Chinese spy. 0.52

00:33:52.000 And not only that, years later, I find out, oh my goodness, Russia has invaded the Donbass based on this exact reason he wanted me to do a documentary on. 0.99

00:34:00.000 So that could have felt very genuine. 0.73

00:34:01.000 Oh, I have this person that lives in this region telling me I should do a story on this.

00:34:05.000 I'm going to go do that story.

00:34:07.000 Little do I know, I'm doing pre war propaganda for a foreign nation. 0.59

00:34:10.000 Right?

00:34:11.000 So it's like there are people that are, I think a lot of people are doing it knowingly.

00:34:14.000 And I think a lot of people are being influenced.

00:34:16.000 Unwittingly.

00:34:17.000 The bots, too, massive audience capture. 1.00

00:34:19.000 People are being pushed to have certain opinions by people paying thousands of bots to say, You're a dumb whore if you don't say this. 1.00

00:34:27.000 You're a cuck if you don't say that. 1.00

00:34:28.000 And it affects, we're all psychologically prone to be affected by this. 0.98

00:34:33.000 And then the mass follows what the influencers and the bots say.

00:34:36.000 So you'll get not only a foreign influencer that's funding a creator that they agree with, but then they'll also potentially be funding bot campaigns to get that creator to change their opinions.

00:34:44.000 100%.

00:34:45.000 And also about foreign money, like, How deep does the inception go?

00:34:48.000 Because if I take a contract from an American business that's 20% owned by some guy that owns like 19 companies, one of them's a Russian company.

00:34:56.000 It turns out that his grandpa owns like a Russian oil rig and he's got like a trust.

00:35:01.000 And so.

00:35:01.000 But that's how it works.

00:35:02.000 Yeah.

00:35:02.000 They're never doing it so that you're going to find where the money is coming from.

00:35:04.000 All of our money is coming from the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.

00:35:08.000 All of our Federal Reserve money is tied to Swiss money.

00:35:10.000 It's foreign money.

00:35:11.000 This whole American system is propped up by foreign money right now.

00:35:13.000 I know that's a little more esoteric.

00:35:15.000 We're not talking about direct funding from like a British oligarch.

00:35:19.000 But it's like you got to kind of lay it if you don't.

00:35:21.000 But the thing is, also, you kind of have an obligation to do diligence where you have to kind of be like, hey, where did you get your money?

00:35:27.000 Where did that guy get his money?

00:35:29.000 And at some point, you're like, come on, I don't care where your investor's investor got his money from.

00:35:33.000 Although it should matter.

00:35:35.000 But come on.

00:35:37.000 But that's the problem.

00:35:37.000 No, I agree.

00:35:38.000 I don't really think anyone is to blame for this.

00:35:41.000 It's like it's just been this slow march towards a certain direction, and everyone to survive has had to kind of acquiesce in it.

00:35:49.000 At least, like, you have to.

00:35:51.000 Basically, commit political suicide to not be playing these games.

00:35:54.000 I think crowdfunding is where it's at.

00:35:56.000 If you can get people don't trust crowdfunding anymore because there's been so many scams.

00:36:00.000 I used to do crowdfunding back in the day, and then it was like scam after scam after scam.

00:36:03.000 Crowdfunding is getting more difficult unless you have like massive media backing already, like a monthly fee, like nine bucks a month for your website.

00:36:12.000 Yeah, but that's where I think stuff like Timcast and others have managed to build themselves a little more organically from the beginning, but then even.

00:36:21.000 Tim got caught up in the tenant stuff, and even audience capture is still there.

00:36:25.000 And then you have to acquiesce to the culture of clickbait to remain relevant.

00:36:29.000 So it's everything is leaning in the direction of we're intellectually screwed.

00:36:35.000 Like become part of the machine or fade away.

00:36:38.000 Or start an entirely new technocracy that, I mean, I do have faith in Elon's X movement with X. Do you have faith in Elon's X?

00:36:38.000 Yeah.

00:36:46.000 I think he's starting as his ex's.

00:36:47.000 His ex runs deep.

00:36:48.000 His ex runs deep.

00:36:49.000 Yeah, totally. 0.82

00:36:50.000 Governance coming out of Switzerland is like an.

00:36:52.000 It's an inevitable force rolling towards us, dismantling nationalism.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, guys, we got some breaking news here from.

00:36:59.000 We've been expecting this, actually.

00:36:59.000 That's all right.

00:37:00.000 Yeah, from NBC.

00:37:01.000 Graham Plattner drops out of Senate race, allowing Maine Democrats to replace him.

00:37:05.000 His decision comes within days of a key deadline allowing Maine's Democratic Party to select a new candidate to face Republican Senator Susan Collins in a critical contest for Senate control.

00:37:15.000 Hey, Carter, let me have this here for a second.

00:37:18.000 Do we have the video?

00:37:18.000 We're going to play this.

00:37:19.000 We have a.

00:37:20.000 There's an X video that we have.

00:37:22.000 Here we go.

00:37:22.000 Let me grab this real quick.

00:37:24.000 And then I'll give it back over to you, Carter.

00:37:26.000 So I don't think it does that whole right turn.

00:37:28.000 Well, you know, I mean, it's breaking news.

00:37:30.000 It's so breaking news.

00:37:32.000 So we're going to go ahead and.

00:37:33.000 I want this guy.

00:37:34.000 Let's see.

00:37:36.000 Play this.

00:37:37.000 Get some audio on that.

00:37:39.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 Let me get the mouse for you.

00:37:40.000 Yep. 0.97

00:37:42.000 Let's take her back to the beginning.

00:37:44.000 Give it to me, Graham.

00:37:44.000 I'm sure we got the tab on me.

00:37:46.000 I feel for this guy, dude.

00:37:48.000 I don't.

00:37:48.000 Steamrolled, bro.

00:37:53.000 He did it.

00:37:53.000 He did it to what are you talking about?

00:37:54.000 He did it to himself. 0.80

00:37:56.000 He's the guy that got the Nazi tattoo. 0.98

00:37:56.000 It's true. 0.98

00:37:58.000 He's the guy that was sexting with allegedly sexting with women while he was married.

00:38:04.000 He's the guy that had a kick account, you know, which is a platform that generally has people underage.

00:38:09.000 This is all like, His own stuff.

00:38:11.000 This has nothing to do with, there's no reason to feel bad for him.

00:38:14.000 Shout out to Kick, by the way.

00:38:15.000 Well, you know what?

00:38:16.000 Graham Plattner isn't here, so we probably shouldn't talk about it.

00:38:18.000 Talk about him behind his back.

00:38:21.000 Man, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:38:24.000 We have no audio on this?

00:38:25.000 Apparently, you were just mentioning.

00:38:26.000 Oh, here, try this.

00:38:27.000 The commentary industry is a little facetious because we're changing the world in real time as we talk about what's happening.

00:38:33.000 It's not like it's in a vacuum and we're talking about a piece of plastic on the wall over there.

00:38:38.000 Graham might see this show tonight later.

00:38:40.000 So, whatever we do here is deeply impacting.

00:38:43.000 I mean, the point is, like, this is actual news from Graham Plattner.

00:38:48.000 We're trying to get the audio.

00:38:49.000 I don't think it's the audio.

00:38:50.000 Okay.

00:38:51.000 What do you guys think of this, though?

00:38:52.000 What do you think of the accusations and everything?

00:38:54.000 I think it's weird that the left didn't care about them when it came from a Republican woman, but as soon as it came from a socialist lefty woman, now they care, and now it's believe all women, and now they believe them, and now they want them out.

00:39:04.000 But that's really only because he's losing.

00:39:06.000 It's because he's losing.

00:39:07.000 It was a girl he was dating.

00:39:08.000 I don't think he's losing.

00:39:09.000 No, he was behind.

00:39:10.000 He's definitely behind.

00:39:12.000 Well, I think, look, I mean, honestly, like, he has enough.

00:39:15.000 Any of the individual allegations against him were probably enough to tank a candidacy, you know, 10 years ago or so, whether it be sexting or whether it be the.

00:39:28.000 What?

00:39:28.000 Definitely before the internet.

00:39:29.000 Well, I mean, honestly, to be fair, honestly, before Donald Trump, right?

00:39:34.000 Before Donald Trump, this was kind of the thing that would end a career, or at least any one individual allegation was enough to end a career.

00:39:42.000 And now, you know, it takes significant, continuous.

00:39:49.000 Allegations for him to finally step down.

00:39:52.000 But like this kind of thing is nowadays, it takes so much to get someone to be booted from a campaign, you know?

00:40:01.000 And I honestly, I do think that a lot of that is because of Donald Trump, just because Donald Trump has always been so like, you know, I don't care what people say, I'm going to keep doing it.

00:40:09.000 Partially, it's because I think partially it's because of Donald Trump, and also partially because the left has been so good at sliming even people like Mitt Romney, right?

00:40:18.000 Like Mitt Romney was called a Uh, Nazi, they were saying that Mitt Romney intentionally killed a dog, and Republicans just kind of got to the point where they were just like, No, we don't care what you say because you're going to say all these things, anyways.

00:40:29.000 And that's a sentiment that you see online a lot, right? 0.58

00:40:32.000 A lot of the people that are like, Oh, you know, you're a racist, blah blah blah.

00:40:36.000 And people are just like, Look, unless you have something, some actual thing that I've said or whatever that's actually racist, I don't care what you, what accusation you throw at me.

00:40:44.000 Just because you say, Oh, you, this policy means that you're a racist, I'm just going to disregard what you say, that's kind of where we've gone, and that means that.

00:40:53.000 Like the ones against Platner and stuff, they get kind of taken with a grain of salt, and it takes things mounting over and over.

00:40:59.000 Before we were talking about the show, we were talking about male and female ways of tearing each other apart. 0.78

00:41:05.000 And one of them is, I said, female version is like character assassination. 0.99

00:41:08.000 This is a very feminist, this whole cancel culture thing is a very feminist, it's not necessarily feminist, more is feminine way of dismantling your opponent. 1.00

00:41:17.000 Yeah, but it's on the internet. 1.00

00:41:18.000 You can't expect people to be like, oh, I'm going to go physically get into a confrontation with this guy.

00:41:23.000 It's like when you're dealing with posting things on the internet, you don't have any other recourse other than to say, well, This person is making these accusations, so I'm going to respond to these accusations, etc.

00:41:35.000 The internet kind of fosters that kind of interaction.

00:41:38.000 Are you okay?

00:41:39.000 I'm just fine.

00:41:40.000 Yeah, she's fine.

00:41:40.000 Okay.

00:41:42.000 Tension.

00:41:42.000 She's fine.

00:41:42.000 That's why I want tension about what?

00:41:43.000 No, that's in her head.

00:41:44.000 She's totally fine. 0.88

00:41:45.000 Lauren can handle herself.

00:41:46.000 She's totally fine.

00:41:48.000 Oh, I'm just thinking, you know, he.

00:41:51.000 I don't know why he would run for the Democrats if he had all this in his past, you know?

00:41:55.000 Because, honestly.

00:41:57.000 I mean, they're a little more critical of this, whereas, like, I. Once again, there's like a lot of people on the right that have way worse.

00:42:04.000 Accusations than him that get endlessly defended on the right.

00:42:06.000 That's kind of like the thing right now.

00:42:08.000 Like, what's his face?

00:42:09.000 Who's the guy that just wrote the Christian book?

00:42:12.000 How did 10 Days Become Christian, 7 Days Become Christian?

00:42:14.000 Oh my God, I have no idea.

00:42:15.000 Tell me, I'm going to look it up. 0.98

00:42:16.000 I'm not a. 0.99

00:42:17.000 I told you about that. 0.96

00:42:17.000 I'm not paying attention. 0.96

00:42:18.000 Like, Russell Brand.

00:42:18.000 Russell Brand, yes.

00:42:19.000 He's got it.

00:42:21.000 He admitted to a lot of degeneracy.

00:42:22.000 People immediately kind of turned to like the right wing culture because obviously they're going to be a little more skeptical because there was the whole 2015, 2016 anti feminist stuff, which I think there was a lot of fair critique there about, you know, the Me Too going too far, everything.

00:42:34.000 But.

00:42:36.000 I think it's overcorrected to now it's become like a safe haven.

00:42:40.000 Whereas I genuinely believe if Graham Plattner had suddenly become right wing, everyone that's shitting on him would defend him right now.

00:42:47.000 That's probably a fair statement. 0.95

00:42:48.000 I mean, I've seen people defend people for ridiculous things plenty of times.

00:42:53.000 I see people keep secrets that they shouldn't that are similar to this plenty of times, right?

00:42:58.000 To that point, but there's not a lot of people that are defending other people that are right wing.

00:43:04.000 Just for an example, Elijah Schaefer, there's nobody that's really coming to his defense.

00:43:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:08.000 I've been accused of coming to his defense.

00:43:09.000 Well, okay, okay.

00:43:10.000 You don't even go on the internet, though.

00:43:12.000 You yourself, you say that.

00:43:13.000 No, I just said, I just say I'm not going to bandmath him because he's my friend, but he, and you know him.

00:43:18.000 The point that I'm making is so, like, the, what I'm understanding, what I'm understanding, Lauren, you're saying.

00:43:23.000 That's a pretty explicit example.

00:43:25.000 That's pretty, like, in everyone's face.

00:43:27.000 Like, I don't think there's anyone else.

00:43:28.000 Do you think the level of, of, it's like such an extreme level.

00:43:31.000 Like, everyone can see, like, even Richard Spencer was just tweeting him saying, Are you okay, bro, the other day?

00:43:36.000 You know, it's like, everyone out here is like, Okay.

00:43:40.000 You're very clearly dealing with the internet fame stuff, drugs, the whole.

00:43:45.000 Because it is a drugs, sex, and rock and roll lifestyle in the right wing sphere that people catch up with.

00:43:50.000 Nobody invites me to these things.

00:43:51.000 I am not invited to the drugs, sex, and rock and roll.

00:43:53.000 We got drunk together.

00:43:54.000 We got drunk together.

00:43:56.000 But we never did drugs together.

00:43:58.000 I will tell you, from the first hand experience, the drugs, sex, and rock and roll thing is not really a thing nowadays.

00:44:04.000 You go backstage and it's this it's dissonant media.

00:44:07.000 It's dissonant media.

00:44:09.000 I've been in parties.

00:44:10.000 But if you go to like the Daily Wire, obviously, it's Going to have a very different culture.

00:44:14.000 Yes.

00:44:14.000 Very different culture.

00:44:15.000 People, like, even the turning point things, right?

00:44:16.000 Like, I hear things.

00:44:18.000 Listen, I've heard things about turning point things.

00:44:19.000 You're at all right?

00:44:20.000 Me too.

00:44:21.000 But, like, to be so real.

00:44:22.000 No, I will be.

00:44:23.000 But, like, I totally got invited to some parties, but I never saw people doing drugs.

00:44:27.000 I never saw orgies.

00:44:28.000 I did know that people hooked up and went and did their own things.

00:44:31.000 But, like, what we're talking about, like, what Madison Cawthorn was talking about with the orgies.

00:44:33.000 I worked on the Hill forever.

00:44:34.000 I was never invited.

00:44:35.000 I'm kind of offended that I wasn't.

00:44:36.000 Yeah, but that you're allowed, they know you would have been invited.

00:44:39.000 I'm not allowed to tell them.

00:44:39.000 I'm not allowed.

00:44:40.000 You probably, but.

00:44:41.000 Make some noise.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, I'm going to take it as a compliment.

00:44:42.000 I guess, but, like, I'm kind of offended that I wasn't invited to these.

00:44:45.000 Because I want to I'm not cool enough to go.

00:44:48.000 Fine, sure, whatever.

00:44:49.000 Maybe I'm old.

00:44:51.000 But, like, so I don't know about all of it being like I hear rumors, obviously, of things, but like, you don't do that.

00:44:58.000 Tim doesn't do that.

00:44:59.000 Like, people I know aren't really engaging in that.

00:45:01.000 It's easy to do because there's a lot of money and fame, and it's a lot of people that are trying to do drugs.

00:45:06.000 I've never seen you do drugs.

00:45:07.000 We've gone out and sang karaoke and had some beers.

00:45:11.000 But here's the thing I haven't seen you do that, right?

00:45:13.000 But that's the problem with the internet they're like, well, I haven't seen my favorite influencer do these things, so it must not be true.

00:45:17.000 But they are.

00:45:20.000 I haven't done a lot of drugs.

00:45:21.000 I'm not saying everyone.

00:45:22.000 I'm not saying everyone.

00:45:23.000 I'm just saying it's very common.

00:45:24.000 And the problem with the right is that there is more of a, you know, A pressure to keep up a certain image, and people really kill themselves and bend over backwards to try to keep that image publicly.

00:45:36.000 I don't blame them, you know.

00:45:37.000 And it's sometimes like the I think there's a virtue in wanting it, wanting to live this way.

00:45:41.000 And then, yeah, people fall short because they're human and they're they, you know, we are sinners and we are all there's a difference.

00:45:48.000 There's a difference between falling short and going out for a weekend and raging, just railing lines of coke, right?

00:45:54.000 Like, there's a distinct difference between that.

00:45:56.000 Like, I mean, it depends on like you have some psychological trauma and like there's something wrong with you, and like you know, you've had something.

00:46:02.000 I don't know.

00:46:03.000 I'm not trying to make excuses for people.

00:46:04.000 I don't.

00:46:04.000 Encourage that.

00:46:05.000 I don't think anybody should do that.

00:46:06.000 I think that's not good.

00:46:07.000 But I just don't think that if they're trying to live their life righteously and then they fall off the wagon, that they're irredeemable and that what they're saying is now no longer true.

00:46:17.000 The internet isn't the right place to have these conversations often because it's just a bunch of sharks waiting for blood.

00:46:22.000 But also because the internet isn't the place to have these conversations, but post COVID, we've all been forced to have our reality on the internet.

00:46:29.000 I don't think we're having a lot of honest conversations about what life really is like because I agree with that.

00:46:34.000 It's just no one, everyone wants to put their best foot.

00:46:37.000 Forward.

00:46:37.000 No one wants to talk about the ugly underbelly of everything.

00:46:39.000 And we're all friends.

00:46:40.000 Like, everyone's friends behind the scenes.

00:46:42.000 So they're all covering up for each other all the time.

00:46:43.000 And I'm not saying that's bad.

00:46:45.000 There's a lot of things I keep quiet only because I don't want reputational, like, somebody to come attack me and make things up. 0.97

00:46:53.000 It's like a big Mexican standoff all the time.

00:46:56.000 There's a lot of that going on. 0.93

00:46:56.000 It definitely is. 0.93

00:46:58.000 And I just, like, I chose to blow the suicide vest and say, whatever.

00:47:01.000 I really don't care if people hate me.

00:47:03.000 But I'm just, it was killing me internally to not just talk honestly about what I think all the time. 1.00

00:47:07.000 Don't you think the people that are, so like, for, and this might be a little bit of a, uh, A right term, but like someone like Asmongold. 0.93

00:47:15.000 Yes.

00:47:16.000 Right?

00:47:17.000 That dude talks about how he doesn't shower.

00:47:20.000 That dude bears just all the truth.

00:47:25.000 I like that.

00:47:26.000 But I think that that's something that people like about him.

00:47:29.000 So like, be honest.

00:47:29.000 Yeah.

00:47:31.000 He doesn't show his desk though on stream.

00:47:32.000 Like if you saw him on stream, he's absolutely shown his house.

00:47:35.000 He showed pictures of it.

00:47:37.000 He showed videos of his house.

00:47:38.000 He shows it all relentlessly, but that won't be used against him though.

00:47:40.000 I'm not going to deny what you're saying either because he's very honest.

00:47:43.000 The point that I'm making is when you actually tell people the truth, right?

00:47:47.000 Like that is actually something that's, first of all, endearing, but it also takes weapons away from people that would attack you.

00:47:52.000 Yeah, agreed.

00:47:53.000 But people are, and I've been saying this for a long time, craving authenticity, right?

00:47:57.000 Like, just like there are so many, like you look at the Fox News types or the buttoned up people right in front of their things, just reading a teleprompter.

00:48:05.000 Like, people don't want to see that anymore and they want you to be real and they want to feel like they can trust you.

00:48:08.000 And if you say things like, I don't shower for a couple of days, you seem more authentic and honest, right?

00:48:14.000 Like, that's, It's admissions against your own interest that I believe, right?

00:48:18.000 If you're saying something that it's like, oh, you're going to lose money, followers, or reputational status, I'll believe that.

00:48:23.000 Anything that's not an admission against interest on the internet, you can, it's like, do you believe it?

00:48:28.000 I don't know.

00:48:29.000 It's hard to tell.

00:48:30.000 I mean, but sometimes people even do things that are against their own interest for other nefarious reasons, too.

00:48:35.000 That's true.

00:48:36.000 They could be playing underwater backgammon.

00:48:37.000 I mean, I'm just saying, like, I've seen that, too.

00:48:41.000 I just think that what people need to realize is that everybody is human, everybody is flawed.

00:48:45.000 We all have, Issues that we deal with.

00:48:48.000 And I, but I really believe, and maybe I don't believe this, but I, I guess I'm torn.

00:48:52.000 I do think that for a lot of the times that people are saying the things that they really do believe, I don't think anybody is in here saying things that they don't agree with.

00:49:03.000 Do I think they do it for the right intentions?

00:49:05.000 I think this is where the problem, like when we were arguing earlier, and this is what I always try to stress with political arguments, like I'm frustrated and that wasn't political.

00:49:05.000 Probably not.

00:49:13.000 By Tommy because he's lied about me, and I know he knows he's lied about me.

00:49:17.000 You are friends with him, and this is someone you love and someone you care about, so you're going to defend him.

00:49:21.000 I don't think, like, even.

00:49:23.000 If we sat here and we looked at the court cases together, I think it would be a very different conversation.

00:49:27.000 But it's always like.

00:49:28.000 I think if I showed you some of my stuff too, it might be a little different conversation.

00:49:31.000 I mean, so.

00:49:32.000 I'm just saying, I think it would be.

00:49:34.000 But it's like you recognize that though.

00:49:36.000 It's like no one in the audience always recognizes when it's like emotions at play.

00:49:40.000 And people don't talk about that at all.

00:49:40.000 Right.

00:49:42.000 And he's done things for me that I don't even know if my family would do.

00:49:45.000 So you're going to defend him to the end of the year?

00:49:47.000 I really will.

00:49:48.000 It doesn't matter what the evidence shows.

00:49:49.000 No, the evidence doesn't show because I've seen him do some other things that, you know, I'm like, yeah, what are you doing?

00:49:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:54.000 Like, but.

00:49:55.000 But I do love him and I don't see him being a nefarious, bad person in his heart because I've seen him.

00:50:02.000 I don't think he's nefarious either.

00:50:03.000 I think a lot of people in politics have lost their minds, like Elijah Schaefer.

00:50:05.000 I think they've literally, the drugs and the mask has become.

00:50:08.000 Tommy did something for me and never told me, never told me.

00:50:11.000 I found out six months later from somebody else that was only because it was the right thing to do.

00:50:17.000 And so when I hear people accuse him of doing things.

00:50:21.000 That's great.

00:50:22.000 And he did something to me that was the wrong thing to do, right?

00:50:24.000 And these are our own personal experiences.

00:50:27.000 I have evidence to support mine.

00:50:29.000 Yours is, you probably have evidence to support yours.

00:50:31.000 And you got to let people just decide and look at the evidence.

00:50:33.000 But in my case, like, I care about it more because there's court cases involved.

00:50:37.000 There's very serious allegations involved, right?

00:50:40.000 But it's my point is, like, a lot of the political world is emotional.

00:50:43.000 Would you guys agree?

00:50:44.000 Sorry, we've taken over.

00:50:46.000 I feel like I'm going to define a lot.

00:50:48.000 I mean, I think emotions play a huge effect in who clicks what, which is where the money comes from.

00:50:55.000 So I think, yes, the short answer to your question is yes.

00:50:59.000 Would you agree?

00:51:00.000 No, people remember the way they feel when they hang out with you.

00:51:02.000 They don't remember what you said as much.

00:51:04.000 They care about how they felt.

00:51:05.000 I think that Michael Malice kind of has his finger on the pulse when he says that people are narrative driven.

00:51:11.000 They are not truth driven.

00:51:12.000 So, like, they have a particular worldview.

00:51:15.000 So, when things align with their worldview, that's the stuff that they're going to respond to.

00:51:19.000 And yes, of course, that is shaped by emotion and stuff.

00:51:22.000 And people will look for quote unquote facts that.

00:51:25.000 Cognitive bias.

00:51:26.000 They're going to find things that support their arguments.

00:51:28.000 That's what they're going to highlight and ignore the rest.

00:51:29.000 I guess that's what I'm saying.

00:51:30.000 This plays into discernment because.

00:51:31.000 I started YouTube in 2006 and I was like, what would Jesus Christ do with this tech?

00:51:34.000 He'd be honest on the internet.

00:51:35.000 So I did it.

00:51:36.000 I went crazy.

00:51:37.000 Radical, open, honesty.

00:51:38.000 You watch my first 600 videos.

00:51:40.000 It's insane honesty, openness.

00:51:42.000 I destroyed so many relationships because I didn't know when to stop.

00:51:45.000 You have to learn the fire hose and how to let these, because it's emotional.

00:51:50.000 You're communicating emotionally with tone and stuff.

00:51:52.000 Are you always being honest when it's just your emotion running?

00:51:54.000 Because it has to be like a balance of both, right?

00:51:56.000 Yeah.

00:51:56.000 Because the facts have to inform emotion, vice versa.

00:51:59.000 If I wake up and I eat a bunch of poison and then I look at a guy and I'm like, I hate the way he looks, he's such a thing.

00:52:05.000 I'm being honest, but it's because I warped my own perception, and now my new honesty is this new perception.

00:52:11.000 That's so much of the news.

00:52:12.000 I have responsibility for creating.

00:52:12.000 Yeah.

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 Did that answer your question?

00:52:17.000 Yeah.

00:52:19.000 I think so.

00:52:19.000 Sorry.

00:52:21.000 All right.

00:52:22.000 Discernment is the word of the day.

00:52:24.000 Honesty and discernment.

00:52:25.000 Those two things in tandem.

00:52:26.000 I mean, look, your attempts at being honest don't mean that you have to divulge every little thing about yourself.

00:52:34.000 Correct.

00:52:35.000 It just means you don't lie.

00:52:36.000 I struggle with this too.

00:52:38.000 Clearly.

00:52:40.000 Carter, do you have the audio for this thing here?

00:52:43.000 Honestly, I cannot.

00:52:43.000 I'm working on it.

00:52:44.000 Grand Platter is hanging over his mouth.

00:52:46.000 We were talking about Grand Platter for a second.

00:52:47.000 I've been playing it a bunch.

00:52:49.000 So let me go ahead and bring up this here.

00:52:52.000 Sorry if I'm taking the.

00:52:53.000 Graham Platter, not telling you, man.

00:52:55.000 Too much discernment.

00:52:56.000 So from NBC News, Graham Platter announced Wednesday he's ending his Senate campaign, capping a chaotic few days of uncertainty and Democratic infighting, and leaving the party without a candidate in the vitally important Maine race this fall.

00:53:09.000 The announcement by the populist progressive came after a woman he dated accused him of sexual assault in 2021, causing his support to hemorrhage even among top Democrat allies.

00:53:19.000 Who rescinded their endorsement and called on him to drop out.

00:53:22.000 In a video message posted on X, Platner denied the allegations as false, but he said he has placed an immense amount of weight on him, and as he only has until Monday to decide whether to continue his candidacy.

00:53:34.000 He said if he continued, he'd lose his ability to fundraise, access voter data, and run a campaign.

00:53:40.000 What comes next needs to come from the people, needs to come from the people of Maine, Platner said.

00:53:44.000 It needs to be open, transparent, and democratic.

00:53:46.000 It needs to be reflecting the will and the values of the people that.

00:53:49.000 Built this movement, which is actually kind of funny considering he said that he wants to select who is going to be replacing him.

00:53:56.000 So, do you guys feel like Platner has his finger on the pulse of Maine, or do you think that he's just looking for someone that is going to be?

00:54:04.000 And look, I'm an open partisan, I make no bones about it.

00:54:07.000 Like, I'm anti leftist, so just so we all know here.

00:54:12.000 Do you think that he's just looking for someone that would actually be approved by the DSA or the far left?

00:54:19.000 Because he tends to be a fairly far left candidate.

00:54:22.000 I don't know if he's actually looking for approval.

00:54:24.000 I think.

00:54:25.000 No, no, he's not looking for it.

00:54:26.000 He's looking for a candidate that would be approved of by the party.

00:54:28.000 That might be true.

00:54:29.000 I bet this is like both giving him a chance to kind of get his, you know, his feelings involved in the process, but also giving him, the party's giving him a chance to save face and look like he's not a dog getting kicked out in the middle of the night.

00:54:42.000 So, like.

00:54:44.000 I mean, everyone, but I mean, to say that giving him a chance to save face, I mean, like, literally everybody has come out and said he needs to drop out.

00:54:50.000 But just saying.

00:54:51.000 The DSA official did, Ro Khanna came out and said it.

00:54:53.000 I don't know for sure if Sanders has said it.

00:54:55.000 Sanders has said it yesterday.

00:54:56.000 Sanders, you know, basically all the important people in the Democrat Party have said, okay, you need to drop out.

00:55:02.000 Only that if he has any hand in selecting or being involved in who comes after him, that he's saving a little bit of face.

00:55:08.000 Like they're showing that they have a bit of respect for him in that case.

00:55:11.000 What do you mean, Sanders?

00:55:12.000 Otherwise, they'd be like, your opinion matters nothing.

00:55:14.000 You have nothing to say now. 0.71

00:55:16.000 I think because I think it's all a bunch of nonsense.

00:55:18.000 Honestly, like it's the same nonsense over and over again. 1.00

00:55:21.000 Like, who gives a shit? 1.00

00:55:23.000 I don't care. 0.99

00:55:24.000 That's what that's how I feel about it.

00:55:25.000 What specifically?

00:55:26.000 Well, like, like, why would I care, like, what who he thinks he's going to appoint?

00:55:31.000 Like, they're going to put up a leftist anyway, right?

00:55:34.000 Like, does it matter if it's like a Democrat socialist or a communist or what they're all the same to me, right?

00:55:40.000 It's going to matter if the person can be elected because Susan Collins, whether or not she's an actually good Republican, and people will argue about that.

00:55:40.000 Like, that's how I feel about it.

00:55:46.000 Maine at least sits.

00:55:48.000 No, no.

00:55:49.000 Well, I mean, look Maine might as well be Canada.

00:55:50.000 Why do you think Maine first sits?

00:55:51.000 No, no.

00:55:52.000 That's totally wrong because, look, on it, I am not a fan of. fan of Susan Collins, but she does hold the seat and prevent an actually, say, active Democrat from sitting there.

00:56:02.000 I'm just saying that, like, the question that you asked were, like, do you think that he wants to, he has his finger on the pulse and he, you know, he wants to elect a Democrat, like a real far lefty person.

00:56:02.000 I agree.

00:56:12.000 I'm like, I don't care.

00:56:13.000 He's going to do it.

00:56:13.000 Like, that's what they're going to, that's what they wanted to put in there.

00:56:15.000 That's what's going to happen.

00:56:16.000 Like, well, why are we speculating about what his status is?

00:56:18.000 Well, it matters because if they put someone that's actually far left, then it makes Susan, it would ostensibly, it would make, it would ostensibly make Susan Collins' chances better because she's, Considered a moderate. 0.90

00:56:28.000 She goes against it.

00:56:29.000 They're going to put a far lefty in there because if you look at all the candidates that are coming out, popping up all over the left wing of the party, they are all further and further to the left than they have been in 20 years.

00:56:42.000 Well, yeah, but do you think?

00:56:43.000 Okay, so it's going to be that anyway.

00:56:45.000 I think it was Polymarket or one of the Kalshi, one of these two betting platforms, said that when Platner.

00:56:50.000 I don't want to mistake this, that if he drops out, the Republicans actually have a worse chance of betting.

00:56:57.000 Because his replacement will be worse than him, is what they're saying.

00:56:57.000 Susan Collins, yeah.

00:57:00.000 Well, no, they're saying that the Republicans have a worse chance because Susan Collins has. 0.91

00:57:05.000 She kind of underperforms the polls or overperforms the polls.

00:57:09.000 Historically, she polls at X and she does better than the polls kind of. 0.99

00:57:14.000 That's because it's hard to meet an incumbent, like I said yesterday, because of all the resources that they have that come out of the MRA. 0.98

00:57:19.000 That is why.

00:57:20.000 With the MRA.

00:57:21.000 Get the budget for the office.

00:57:24.000 Okay.

00:57:24.000 Because she gets all those touches all the year that he doesn't.

00:57:26.000 And it's not just funded by the campaign dollars.

00:57:28.000 It's funded by our tax dollars, the MRA budget.

00:57:31.000 So that's why.

00:57:32.000 But like.

00:57:33.000 That's the only reason she does better? 0.86

00:57:34.000 It's what part of the.

00:57:36.000 Yeah, a very big part of the reason why she does better. 0.86

00:57:38.000 So then why doesn't that reflect in polling?

00:57:42.000 Because like, who have you been polled?

00:57:44.000 Who are they?

00:57:44.000 Who's polling?

00:57:45.000 I don't live in Maine.

00:57:45.000 People.

00:57:47.000 Well, I'm just saying.

00:57:48.000 Like, Liz and Riley have been polled.

00:57:49.000 Have you been polled?

00:57:50.000 I've never been polled.

00:57:51.000 Right.

00:57:51.000 Or, no, I've never taken a poll.

00:57:52.000 Let's be careful.

00:57:53.000 Like an official poll.

00:57:54.000 I don't really ever trust polls. 0.99

00:57:55.000 She outperforms polls because she's the incumbent and she has extra touches.

00:57:59.000 And, you know, there's people in Maine that are not motivated by, I don't know, the internet.

00:58:05.000 Like, there's, you know, older people that are not in there, that are just like getting their mailers and happy with their constituent services.

00:58:10.000 This is what people super forget.

00:58:12.000 Like, if you look at the election with Rupert Lowe in the UK, everyone, if you were on X, you would have thought he had stolen that election.

00:58:20.000 You know, at least he was going to go past Nigel Farage.

00:58:22.000 But what did he get?

00:58:23.000 Like 3% of the votes?

00:58:24.000 This is what people think.

00:58:24.000 People think that, like, Facebook likes.

00:58:27.000 And Twitter acts like it's not.

00:58:29.000 And it never does.

00:58:30.000 It just never does that.

00:58:32.000 Well, that's because the people that actually vote are still voting.

00:58:35.000 The only person I've ever seen overcome that is Brandon Herrera.

00:58:38.000 Yes.

00:58:39.000 That's it.

00:58:39.000 But that's because he's like a normal person.

00:58:41.000 Correct.

00:58:41.000 That's like the only reason he's a normal person.

00:58:44.000 He was out doing like retail politics.

00:58:46.000 He was actually going out doing the work.

00:58:48.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that they're going to get like all their Facebook likes and that's enough and that's going to move the needle and it's not.

00:58:54.000 I mean, we see it in smaller districts too.

00:58:56.000 Like you'll have. 1.00

00:58:58.000 You know, these Facebook crazy ladies that like try to ratio the incumbent member of Congress and then they're like, I'm going to run. 1.00

00:59:04.000 Ratios literally mean nothing to them.

00:59:06.000 Do you think that Mr. Beast could run for president and win without a political party?

00:59:10.000 Not at all.

00:59:10.000 No.

00:59:11.000 It doesn't, because all of his audience are 12 year olds.

00:59:13.000 Like, what do we do?

00:59:14.000 Well, they were like 10 years ago or six years ago.

00:59:16.000 You don't stay a Mr. Beast fan once you're like past puberty, you know?

00:59:20.000 And he's weird.

00:59:21.000 And he's weird.

00:59:21.000 But like, we know.

00:59:22.000 He's so famous.

00:59:23.000 It doesn't matter.

00:59:24.000 But he's not famous with the right constituency.

00:59:26.000 But if you're on an iPad, it's like they literally think these people on their iPads are God.

00:59:31.000 Like, and like, oh, you told me to hit like?

00:59:32.000 I will hit like.

00:59:33.000 You know, it's that, that is all, and that's why, like, you look at the influencers of old, and someone made a video, everyone watched it that month.

00:59:40.000 Like, everyone watched it.

00:59:41.000 Everyone knew who Fred was.

00:59:42.000 Everyone watched Harry Potter Puppet Pals.

00:59:44.000 Everyone watched Taking the Hobbits to Isengard edit.

00:59:46.000 No idea what any of that is.

00:59:48.000 No, no, the millennial generation that were on YouTube, they were like, a video would come out and people knew what it was.

00:59:52.000 Now there's so many videos, and people are watching them so quickly and hitting like on every single one.

00:59:57.000 Fame is different now.

00:59:58.000 Oh, you think Beast has diffused?

00:59:59.000 His fame has diffused in the last five years or six years?

01:00:01.000 I think it's a lot of young people hitting like.

01:00:06.000 Yeah, it's just the people that vote are not young people generally, right? 0.61

01:00:10.000 The people that are voting are boomers.

01:00:11.000 They're maybe some of the maybe Gen X, older millennials.

01:00:15.000 Those are the people that are reliable voters.

01:00:16.000 So if you see people on the internet that are getting a ton of likes, that still tends to be younger millennials, Gen Z, maybe Gen Alpha, especially when you're dealing with something like Mr. Beast, right?

01:00:26.000 Like that's probably Gen Alpha, maybe younger Gen Z.

01:00:30.000 So like that doesn't translate into actual votes because getting people out to vote when they're young people is.

01:00:36.000 Almost impossible.

01:00:37.000 Getting other people out to vote is something that you can rely on.

01:00:40.000 Well, you're talking about Mr. Beast, right?

01:00:42.000 People actually do care.

01:00:43.000 Like, we've seen famous people run before, and they're like, Yeah, but okay, they're famous, but like, what are their policies?

01:00:47.000 Like, they're not qualified.

01:00:49.000 They've only been a YouTuber forever.

01:00:50.000 They've only been an XYZ forever. 0.82

01:00:52.000 It doesn't translate. 0.76

01:00:53.000 It just doesn't to the campaign world.

01:00:55.000 Donald Trump is an anomaly.

01:00:56.000 Donald Trump is not the norm.

01:00:57.000 Absolutely.

01:00:58.000 But he might be setting a standard of populism.

01:01:00.000 I don't think you need political parties to win.

01:01:02.000 You're not George Washington.

01:01:03.000 And fame is really.

01:01:04.000 You absolutely need political parties.

01:01:06.000 No, no.

01:01:06.000 George Washington, in his farewell campaign speech.

01:01:09.000 And he didn't have a political party either.

01:01:11.000 He didn't need one to get elected.

01:01:13.000 He said it's true.

01:01:15.000 He said they're going to devolve into these, like, Tip for tat party politics things where people are like, I value the party, whatever the party.

01:01:21.000 And it's like, bro, look for the best people.

01:01:22.000 Look, the point that I mean, at the same time that you're saying you don't need a political party to win, you consistently say, oh, but look at the money, look at the money.

01:01:30.000 Like that, the money is reflected through the party.

01:01:34.000 It's what you do with the money that I talk about, which is the fame.

01:01:37.000 It's the TV shows.

01:01:38.000 It's the Tim Pool IRL Mr. Beast channel.

01:01:41.000 Like that's what people buy with that campaign money.

01:01:44.000 And when you have it, you don't need the money.

01:01:47.000 I don't think I'm.

01:01:48.000 No, I don't.

01:01:49.000 It's not the fame.

01:01:50.000 Donald Trump, like I said, is an anomaly.

01:01:52.000 Just because someone famous is running doesn't mean they're a shoe in.

01:01:55.000 Look, the only person that I think that might actually be able to translate fame into actual political victories and.

01:02:02.000 Ronald Reagan.

01:02:04.000 He was an actor, though.

01:02:04.000 Just kidding.

01:02:05.000 That's how he has to be.

01:02:06.000 He was also the guy.

01:02:07.000 Arnold Schwarzenegger.

01:02:08.000 Would you stop?

01:02:09.000 Okay, you next.

01:02:10.000 Like, in the current day, right?

01:02:13.000 Like, I think Spencer Pratt might have some mojo to be able to get into, like, National politics, but not like at the president, like he might be able to win a congressional seat.

01:02:22.000 But like, that's like the only guy that I can think of that has a level of fame.

01:02:27.000 And he doesn't, he wasn't even like particularly famous.

01:02:30.000 Like, he was on a, like, on a, like, on a reality show, right?

01:02:33.000 But he's got, he's got a very good team when it comes to social media.

01:02:37.000 And his policies right now seem to be, you know, fairly friendly to be, seem to be being received by the right fairly friendly.

01:02:47.000 So he, that's something he might be able to turn into.

01:02:49.000 Into real tangible electoral wins.

01:02:51.000 But I mean, even still, like, you're still looking at a guy that just lost, right?

01:02:55.000 Like, whether you believe that the California elections are actually fair or not, that's kind of besides the point.

01:03:01.000 He lost the California election, at least as far as the tally goes.

01:03:04.000 So the idea that either money or fame translate into electoral success, that's just not true.

01:03:10.000 So you think it's like what happens?

01:03:11.000 The reason I brought this up is you were saying, like, the tit for tat behind the scenes that she's got connections with her, what is it, MRA?

01:03:16.000 MORA? 0.94

01:03:16.000 She's an incumbent, and she didn't get there because she's famous. 0.94

01:03:19.000 So she has, like, background connections that are.

01:03:21.000 No, it's not the connections.

01:03:22.000 She has more money to spend to reach out to constituents, people that voters, like in the off season. 0.94

01:03:22.000 It's like she has. 0.94

01:03:29.000 She's got year, like, she doesn't have to spend campaign money up until 90 days before the election. 0.99

01:03:36.000 So she has, like, our tax dollars to fund reaching out to people and talking to constituents all year, except for the 90 day blackout period right before the election. 1.00

01:03:47.000 That's when she has to spend her money.

01:03:48.000 Now, he has to spend his money the whole entire time to make the same amount.

01:03:53.000 There's a disparity between.

01:03:56.000 How much money is that?

01:03:57.000 That goes for all incumbents.

01:03:58.000 That is crazy that a candidate can spend tax, spend my money to run for office.

01:04:02.000 Well, there's a tricky way around it.

01:04:05.000 There's a thing called franking, right?

01:04:06.000 And you have to get the language approved.

01:04:08.000 It can't sound like campaigning.

01:04:11.000 But if you send a postcard to somebody and tell them, like, we, you know, our office fixed 872 passports this year and we fixed blah, and talk about and highlight all the things that you've already done to help people in your thing while it's communicating with your constituents and not, quote, campaigning.

01:04:29.000 It still is a touch and it still affects how the citizens of your district are spending all this time talking about your accolades as a representative or as a senator.

01:04:41.000 And it's not saying, oh, you should vote for me in the fall.

01:04:44.000 But you're reminding them, consistently reminding them, these are the good things that I've done for our district.

01:04:44.000 Right.

01:04:50.000 Joe Biden, he did that at his State of the Union.

01:04:53.000 They called it a State of the Union.

01:04:54.000 All he did was talk about the things he did that were good.

01:04:56.000 It was like right before the 2024 election.

01:04:59.000 It was so just a transparent running for office electoral committee.

01:05:05.000 Everybody else is busy.

01:05:07.000 Is what I'm saying boring or is it true?

01:05:08.000 Like you can become, you don't need political parties, you can become famous enough to win.

01:05:12.000 Or is it just because it's an old boys club and they'll just shut you out in the background?

01:05:12.000 No.

01:05:15.000 No, it's not that they shut you out.

01:05:16.000 It's just that people are finicky.

01:05:20.000 Like they, like part of Spencer Pratt, right?

01:05:22.000 And they're like, oh, Spencer Pratt, he was on TV.

01:05:24.000 Like, what does he really know about policy?

01:05:25.000 And then I saw people questioning him.

01:05:28.000 And then this one guy, I forget who it was, he was like, no, I went in and I checked on who he was.

01:05:32.000 You know, it's going to bring into the administration.

01:05:33.000 It's like legit, like he really has them and they're really on board.

01:05:36.000 And, and like people, people, people kind of put you in buckets.

01:05:41.000 Like they'll say, oh, you don't have enough experience to do X, Y, Z.

01:05:45.000 But like, like the other congressman does, like nobody knows.

01:05:48.000 I studied politics for how long before I, like in college and was trained to do it.

01:05:53.000 When I went down there, it was completely different than you would expect it to be.

01:05:56.000 So you don't really know what it's like till you're down there and nobody really has experience until they do it.

01:06:01.000 Like this is part of why we were talking about yesterday with the, um, Term limits or whatever.

01:06:07.000 Like, you don't really know what it's like until you're down there anyway.

01:06:09.000 So, nobody has experience, but they will kind of put you in a bucket like, well, he's not a lawyer.

01:06:13.000 What experience do they have?

01:06:14.000 And they're the biases that the people have.

01:06:16.000 It really has nothing to do with, you know, how much they like a candidate.

01:06:21.000 And again, this is another thing where I say that Donald Trump is an anomaly because Donald Trump was able to say, look, you know, I have this business experience.

01:06:28.000 And that tends to be, at least with the right, the right says, well, you know, he knows how to run businesses.

01:06:33.000 He's got experience in the business world and et cetera.

01:06:35.000 And he also came with a message.

01:06:36.000 That no Republican had said. 0.98

01:06:38.000 Remember when he came down and he was like, oh, we're going to get rid of the illegals.

01:06:42.000 They're sending their blah, blah, blah.

01:06:43.000 Like that was something that was shocking to people. 1.00

01:06:46.000 And there were people that, and myself included, I didn't have a concept of illegal immigration being a significant problem in 2016.

01:06:52.000 And then the more he pointed at it, the more he shed light on it, the more I was like, oh, wow, this is actually something real.

01:06:57.000 I think why he really won is because I remember like older people, my parents, that generation, that demographic were like, oh, he's saying the things that we always say to ourselves out loud or at the dinner table.

01:07:07.000 And he's real.

01:07:07.000 He's like one of us.

01:07:09.000 That's like, The vibe that he got, and it was that authenticity that I said that people were craving, but he broke that down now.

01:07:15.000 Like, okay, that's been done.

01:07:17.000 It was a shock then, and they were like, Yeah, but now they still want, they've reverted back to like, Okay, we've seen that now.

01:07:23.000 We're reverting back to like, What experience do you have?

01:07:25.000 What authenticity does speak true?

01:07:26.000 Like, Spencer Pratt's very authentic, and I think, yeah, I think that was stolen from him, but like, it is a thing where if that narrative surfaces of like, he doesn't have enough experience, it would surface through the media in some fashion, whether articles written or TV shows.

01:07:42.000 Counter media with a YouTube channel of 80 million subscribers and you're getting 60 million views per episode every week, you can counter that non experience argument very easily.

01:07:42.000 So, like, you have.

01:07:52.000 Well, I don't know that you can counter it.

01:07:54.000 I mean, if there's a narrative out there that says that you don't have experience, you have to convince people that you can still do the job even without experience.

01:08:02.000 Ian's got to thank you.

01:08:02.000 Thank you.

01:08:03.000 We'll get Lisa some water.

01:08:04.000 Thank you.

01:08:05.000 Okay.

01:08:06.000 All that fast talking, I'm like, Yeah.

01:08:09.000 You were like, Oh, I don't have anything to say like before the show.

01:08:11.000 I don't have anything to say.

01:08:13.000 It's always a lie.

01:08:14.000 You've got a million things to say. 0.99

01:08:16.000 Lauren, fire away.

01:08:17.000 We all know what Lauren has to say.

01:08:18.000 I don't care.

01:08:20.000 We both keep saying that.

01:08:22.000 We all know that.

01:08:24.000 She was here to take Tim to task, and now we've stolen that from the guy.

01:08:27.000 It feels like a wet noodle because Graham Plattner's video didn't play.

01:08:30.000 What were you saying?

01:08:31.000 I'm working on it, guys.

01:08:32.000 Let's move on to the Charlie Kirk stuff.

01:08:34.000 Oh, God.

01:08:35.000 All right.

01:08:35.000 I want to say we heard this from 10 footballers.

01:08:37.000 For the exact reason.

01:08:39.000 Nobody wants to talk about Charlie Kirk.

01:08:40.000 Where did this go?

01:08:41.000 I just don't want to talk about Candace.

01:08:42.000 So just so you know, I want to talk about Candace.

01:08:46.000 No one wants to talk about Charlie Kirk.

01:08:48.000 All right.

01:08:49.000 So from CBS News. 0.99

01:08:50.000 Enough, ladies. 0.91

01:08:55.000 I just want to explain something about this. 0.99

01:09:04.000 No, you need to know.

01:09:05.000 What?

01:09:05.000 It's about the procedural, okay?

01:09:07.000 Can I listen to the headline and then you'll go ahead and get your headline?

01:09:09.000 I just want everybody to know what this is.

01:09:11.000 Just let me freaking say what I have to say.

01:09:12.000 This is a pretrial hearing, just so everybody knows what a pretrial hearing is.

01:09:16.000 They are presenting evidence.

01:09:17.000 They're not presenting all their evidence, okay?

01:09:20.000 Like a grand jury to see if this will actually go to real trial.

01:09:23.000 I don't think a lot of people know that, so I just want to make that clear before you go into this.

01:09:27.000 They don't care.

01:09:28.000 From CBS News Roommate of suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination, given immunity in exchange for recorded statements.

01:09:35.000 The preliminary hearing for the man charged with killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk resumed Wednesday afternoon with defense attorneys questioning the reliability of DNA testing that prosecutors say links the defendant to the suspected murder weapon.

01:09:47.000 Prosecutors also reveal that the suspect's roommate was given immunity in exchange for providing recorded video statements to investigators about the case.

01:09:55.000 Prosecutors are trying to convince state district judge Tony Graff that they have enough evidence to bring Tyler Robinson to trial on an aggravated murder charge.

01:10:03.000 After the hearing concludes, which is expected to happen Friday, Graff must Determine if the case should be proceed, which experts say is likely.

01:10:11.000 Robinson, 23, is charged with aggravated murder in Kirk's September 10th assassination on the Utah Valley University campus, for which prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

01:10:20.000 Robinson had no prior criminal record before his arrest in Kirk's shooting death.

01:10:24.000 Look, this, the idea that they don't have enough evidence, I think that that is pretty, pretty absurd.

01:10:33.000 They definitely have enough evidence to proceed past this point.

01:10:33.000 They have.

01:10:36.000 Yeah, so they have statements from.

01:10:39.000 I'm not saying it's true, legit, all in any of that.

01:10:44.000 I'm just saying they have enough evidence to proceed. 1.00

01:10:46.000 Well, yeah, but the point that I'm making is that part of the evidence is statements from this Twigs person. 1.00

01:10:51.000 First of all, he shouldn't have immunity. 1.00

01:10:55.000 We do this a lot to get people who they wouldn't have a complete case without these people, but this seems egregious.

01:11:04.000 Do you think this person should be an accessory?

01:11:06.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 Really?

01:11:07.000 Well, I mean, they would need enough evidence to proceed.

01:11:07.000 I don't know.

01:11:09.000 I mean, they just said the other day.

01:11:10.000 That there was more of his DNA on the tail than there was John Robinson.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, but that doesn't put him on the roof of the roommates.

01:11:16.000 That only says that they lived in the same house.

01:11:20.000 I'm just saying that there's.

01:11:21.000 Are you just saying?

01:11:23.000 I think that this guy knew exactly what was going on.

01:11:26.000 Is there a chance that they're just delivering enough evidence to get the grand jury to say yes, and then they're saving evidence for the trial where they're like, oh, and by the way?

01:11:33.000 Yes, that is happening.

01:11:34.000 If anybody wants to watch somebody break this down, like totally non political, whatever, the lawyer you know is covering this really well, and he's doing it from a completely neutral and just legal perspective.

01:11:45.000 Buy the evidence.

01:11:46.000 He does a great job.

01:11:47.000 Who is it?

01:11:47.000 The lawyer you know.

01:11:48.000 Lauren was in Israel.

01:11:49.000 You too.

01:11:50.000 Oh my gosh.

01:11:52.000 I'm like, you know, it's impossible that there's a conspiracy behind this.

01:11:57.000 Of course, it's not impossible, but you have to have evidence.

01:12:01.000 And the thing with the Candace stuff that I'm seeing online, like every right wing commentator is like, please, people, please, you have to side with reason right now.

01:12:09.000 Like, this is obviously crazy.

01:12:11.000 Like, Erica Kirk didn't kill Charlie.

01:12:12.000 Like, I don't know what's happened with Candace.

01:12:14.000 And it's like, what do you mean you don't know what's happened to Candace? 0.99

01:12:17.000 Like Candace has been insane since she started her new show.

01:12:21.000 But the problem is that the initial thing she was insane about was the Macron case.

01:12:25.000 And the Macron case is not politically convenient for the right to talk about because it's funny to say that Macron's wife is a man.

01:12:32.000 And no one is friends with Macron's wife, whereas people are friends with Erica Kirk.

01:12:36.000 So no one was calling out this insanity back when.

01:12:38.000 And I would recommend everyone watching this go and actually read the defamation suit against Candace because it is some of the most insane content to read.

01:12:47.000 Like, it is insane how much she has been debunked, how badly her evidence, like, oh, it's her brother.

01:12:53.000 Her brother literally showed up to court in person, has been seen in recent.

01:12:56.000 Photographs with her, like all of this stuff to debunk this nonsense.

01:13:00.000 Hey, maybe Macron's wife is a man.

01:13:02.000 Not only do I not care, there's just no evidence for it.

01:13:05.000 There's no evidence, but like no one cares to debunk stuff when it's convenient politically to just not talk about it.

01:13:13.000 So, all of this stuff everyone on the right's dealing with now, with Erica Kirk being blamed, this, that, and the other. 0.79

01:13:18.000 I'm sorry, but the disinformation and bullshit from alternative media has run amok too far and everyone had too much fun with it. 0.96

01:13:25.000 And now this is the result. 1.00

01:13:26.000 Now we have a bunch of insane wine moms that were into. 1.00

01:13:29.000 You know, true crime, talking constantly about how Charlie Kirk was murdered by Erica and Andrew Colvett or whatever.

01:13:36.000 Like, it's just unhinged.

01:13:38.000 Granted, I don't believe these claims without evidence that she's making, but I didn't debunk the Macron stuff. 0.91

01:13:43.000 I didn't speak out against it because I thought it was so ridiculous and it didn't deserve my time.

01:13:47.000 But the problem is there are so many people that believe it.

01:13:47.000 This still got.

01:13:50.000 Like, there are so few people that support, like, all of the nonsense, like, you know, trans and kids. 0.99

01:13:56.000 I reckon it's a minority of the Democrats that actually support, like, making a five year old transgender. 0.98

01:14:00.000 But people will talk about that.

01:14:01.000 And right now it's, like, a huge swath.

01:14:03.000 Not to say that most of the Democrats are going to say that it's not happening.

01:14:07.000 Your average Democrat is not.

01:14:08.000 That's what I mean.

01:14:09.000 There's a lot of really small issues that are not affecting us at a mass level that get addressed because they're politically fun to address.

01:14:16.000 But when it's like, ooh, someone on my political team is spreading massive misinformation, and the left do this too, don't get me wrong.

01:14:22.000 I think the right's doing it in the opposite way of what you're saying right now.

01:14:26.000 Well, what I'm saying is I know a lot of regular wine moms, as you call them, or I call them baseball moms, or whatever, just people that are not political.

01:14:35.000 And they have.

01:14:37.000 Questions about the Charlie Kirk thing, like, you know, about how certain people behaved or how, you know, the type of wound or whatever their things are.

01:14:50.000 And to just blow them off and to say that that's like the reason that they're doing it is because they're into true crime or whatever and ignore that Candace has like this, you know, six million people following her for this because they don't see anything weird about what happened with the thing is disingenuous, I think.

01:15:08.000 And I don't think that people.

01:15:10.000 I see what you're saying about Candace and being hyperbolic and throwing out crazy evidence and things like that. 0.95

01:15:16.000 And I'm not saying that, I'm just talking about regular moms who don't even watch Candace say something doesn't feel right about the situation.

01:15:22.000 And you can't blow that off.

01:15:23.000 And I feel like the right wing, let me just say this, because I've been getting it from a lot of people I know.

01:15:27.000 I feel like the right thing, the right people say to me, people on the right, well, why can't it just be that a leftist did it?

01:15:33.000 Why can't it just be that a leftist did it and they're the problem and they're bad and that now we got to attack each other and now we got to blame? 0.80

01:15:39.000 It's a TPUSA, it's a big conspiracy.

01:15:41.000 And they're pissed off that. 0.89

01:15:43.000 You know, we're not just blaming it on the tranny lefty guy. 1.00

01:15:47.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:15:48.000 That's what I'm hearing, right?

01:15:49.000 And I've heard it from a bunch of people.

01:15:51.000 But the problem is if you are someone that is genuinely concerned, and this is where my frustration comes in, if you actually care that much that you're watching like hours and hours of this stuff, go read the actual court cases.

01:16:04.000 And this is how I felt about the Macron thing.

01:16:06.000 It's like, okay, if you're so invested, you're going to watch a five to six part series about this, go read the court case. 0.99

01:16:11.000 And you're going to feel like an effing moron after you do, unfortunately. 0.99

01:16:14.000 And that's not your fault because a lot of people have. 0.99

01:16:17.000 I felt like a moron after realizing a lot of stuff I've promoted sometimes has been inaccurate, or this is every time I've been like, oh my gosh, not only have I been wrong, I've spread this to a bunch of people because I have a platform.

01:16:27.000 But it's like you have to be willing to rebuild your platform of reality and deciding like one influencer is your person. 0.96

01:16:35.000 One, they're making so much money off this. 0.62

01:16:38.000 Candace is making so much money off this.

01:16:41.000 But you have to, but you do have to acknowledge that there are people that are actually genuinely.

01:16:41.000 That's fine.

01:16:48.000 Concerned or, you know, feel a certain way about that despite her.

01:16:52.000 They have a brain to read the court cases.

01:16:52.000 Right.

01:16:54.000 The court cases.

01:16:55.000 Yeah, but here's the problem.

01:16:55.000 The court cases.

01:16:56.000 The people that are on the internet that are like amplifying her, like you're talking about the people that are like just the regular people that don't have a platform on their own, like they are committed to.

01:17:04.000 Yes.

01:17:05.000 All the evidence isn't out yet that the prosecution has yet.

01:17:08.000 And we, and so that's the thing.

01:17:09.000 So when you're like, go read the court cases, it's kind of hard to do.

01:17:12.000 I'm not saying you have to even agree with the judges.

01:17:14.000 I'm not saying, but that is going to give you the most accurate information.

01:17:18.000 The thing with these court cases, it's like you have two sides that are.

01:17:20.000 Desperate, but there isn't any stuff to read right now.

01:17:23.000 Hold on, but the is what I'm saying.

01:17:24.000 The the I I constantly run into this on X because people love to go ahead and say, Oh, well, you know, you're just an Israel shill because you don't believe Candace and Sarah.

01:17:31.000 And the point or the thing that they always say is, Oh, you believe the FBI.

01:17:35.000 It is, it is when you're dealing with people that are totally conspiracy brained, it is always the next conspiracy.

01:17:43.000 So, like, it's not just that it was Israel.

01:17:46.000 If you believe the official narrative, then you probably got multiple shots or so the the.

01:17:52.000 It's a never ending conspiracy.

01:17:54.000 It's like if we're found innocent, then we're innocent and we were right all along.

01:17:58.000 But if we're found guilty, then it's the Matrix attacking us.

01:18:00.000 No matter what happens, it's always going to come out in your favor because that's the best way to gamble it.

01:18:07.000 It's not that it's the best way to gamble it, it's that they're committed to that narrative.

01:18:12.000 And there's a lot of people out there that are very, very anti Israel.

01:18:15.000 So anything that would cast Israel in a bad light, they're like, oh, it must have been Israel that killed Charlie Kirk.

01:18:23.000 Even though if you look at it, it's really, really, really. 0.97

01:18:26.000 Ridiculous to think that it was Israel. 0.85

01:18:28.000 And looking at the actual evidence, the evidence they have against Tyler, it is very likely that at the very least it is a legitimate prosecution because all the evidence that they have does point to him.

01:18:42.000 But as soon as you say the evidence they have points to Tyler, they're like, oh, you believe the FBI now?

01:18:47.000 I believe them in a case.

01:18:47.000 You probably think that 9 11 wasn't done by George Bush.

01:18:51.000 That's how it goes.

01:18:52.000 There's other things going around too.

01:18:53.000 I know a lot of people that are in the business that have issues or don't like.

01:18:58.000 You know, some of this stuff around the court case about like what's going on with or TPUSA people, and they won't say it because they don't want to get hurt in the business for doing that too.

01:19:10.000 Having criticism about TPUSA is not the same thing as taking a personal opinion.

01:19:13.000 No, no, not just like TPUSA.

01:19:14.000 I'm talking about TPUSA in relation to Charlie's whatever.

01:19:19.000 They did a lot of weird stuff after.

01:19:20.000 There's no denying that.

01:19:21.000 So none of that isn't, none of that indicates that they were involved in the murder.

01:19:26.000 What you were saying earlier about having like, you know, If you don't have the same opinion, then you're kicked out of the group, right?

01:19:32.000 Like, right.

01:19:33.000 Well, that a lot of the Tyler Robinson stuff, there are a lot of people on the inside that say, Hey, this is suspicious, or I know this, or I've seen this, or I've heard this, or whatever.

01:19:41.000 And they're like, But I'm not going to go out and say anything against Turning Point USA because I either work for them, or we're friendly with them, or we don't want to ruin a relationship with them.

01:19:49.000 I mean, that happens too.

01:19:50.000 There's so much factual stuff that you can get frustrated on and point out.

01:19:56.000 Like, I went to the first TP USA thing post Charlie Kirk, and it was insane.

01:19:59.000 You had like the selfie tag for Charlie Kirk.

01:20:01.000 Where they were selling like hot tubs and massage chairs alongside it, and $500 Charlie Kirk sequin jackets.

01:20:07.000 And then, you know, it was just weird.

01:20:09.000 The whole thing was weird, felt very profit maxing.

01:20:11.000 But it's like, then you see the story come out where it's like, oh, the gun fragment, the bullet fragment can't be confirmed.

01:20:19.000 It's not part of the gun.

01:20:20.000 And it's just the headline that comes out, and everyone starts retweeting it, saying, see, see, see, but no one reads the article.

01:20:25.000 And if you actually read the article, it's like, well, it's because it's really difficult to identify any fragment of a bullet.

01:20:25.000 I agree with that.

01:20:31.000 People thought it meant that they confirmed that it was not the bullet.

01:20:31.000 Yes.

01:20:34.000 It wasn't the gun fragment.

01:20:35.000 But they confirmed that they confirmed that it hadn't been performed.

01:20:38.000 I agree with that.

01:20:39.000 And that's the problem.

01:20:40.000 The problem, I don't mind people asking questions about anything.

01:20:42.000 I think that's good.

01:20:43.000 I think you should.

01:20:44.000 But it's the headline brain and the watching one influencer who's making a ton of profit off of the conspiracy brain.

01:20:50.000 The way you ask the questions, because you could be like, Did Erica Kirk murder Charlie?

01:20:54.000 You could ask that question.

01:20:55.000 The answer is no, probably.

01:20:56.000 Or you could be like, Isn't it weird that she didn't look at the way?

01:21:00.000 Don't you think it's kind of strange that that's also a question in a group of them?

01:21:04.000 And that's a dirty type of way to ask a question.

01:21:06.000 So there's a way to ask questions that are genuine, good at faith.

01:21:10.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:21:12.000 The questions that you get, at least from the conspiracy brain people, it doesn't matter what the answer is.

01:21:17.000 Right?

01:21:17.000 The answer, whatever the answer actually is, they've got some kind of reply to that.

01:21:22.000 Usually, like I said, oh, you believe the FBI now.

01:21:25.000 You know, oh, you believe the official narrative. 1.00

01:21:27.000 You're so dumb and I'm so smart. 0.97

01:21:29.000 But if the FBI reports something they like, like if the FBI reported like mass immigration is destroying America, they'd be like, yes, you see, you see, you see people saying things like, you know, oh, the way that they interact with it, it's always as if, you know, they're the brilliant ones that are plugged into the real story. 1.00

01:21:48.000 And if you believe anything other than them, You know, you're the schmuck. 0.98

01:21:52.000 You're the guy that's getting duped. 0.99

01:21:54.000 And it's really, really easy to, you know, pick that stuff out just because of the way they interact.

01:21:59.000 And personally, I find it pretty easy to just disregard it because I see it all the time in my feed, but still.

01:22:04.000 It's sort of empowering to be skeptical because it kind of puts you on a pedestal and you're like, look, you guys got to prove it.

01:22:08.000 No, no, no.

01:22:09.000 So these people that are emotionally invested in Candace's arguments and in skepticism, people are drawn to how they feel.

01:22:14.000 No, no, no.

01:22:15.000 Let me make this clear.

01:22:16.000 I get what you're saying, but I have to address what you're saying about skepticism.

01:22:19.000 Being skeptical is fine, but these people aren't skeptical, they're sure of their own narrative.

01:22:25.000 If you're skeptical, you're going to be skeptical of everything, or being skeptical of everything, that's fine and well and good.

01:22:25.000 And it's different.

01:22:30.000 And that's actually something that people should be generally when they're disseminating their information.

01:22:36.000 But the people that I'm referring to, they're not skeptical of their own narrative.

01:22:39.000 They're very sure of their own narrative. 0.97

01:22:41.000 And they say, oh, you're so silly for disbelieving what I believe. 0.98

01:22:45.000 Dude, that's an interesting point. 0.95

01:22:46.000 Because if you make a claim and Lisa's like, no, no, no, and claim something opposite, and I'm like, actually, Lisa, I don't know about that, but I believe you.

01:22:54.000 Am I really skeptical?

01:22:55.000 If you're skeptical, if you're going to be a skeptic, or if you consider yourself a skeptic, Be skeptical of everything.

01:22:55.000 No, you're not.

01:23:00.000 But if you're not, but the people that are sure that it was like, you know, the people that are sure that it was Erica or the people that believe that it was someone involved in TPUSA that actually did it or the people that think that it was Israel or whatever, those people are not skeptical.

01:23:14.000 They just reject your narrative and they say, no, no, no, I'm right.

01:23:18.000 But it's not skepticism.

01:23:19.000 That's a different thing.

01:23:20.000 What you were saying, Lauren, about why won't they go read the court case?

01:23:23.000 Why are they so invested in this TV show?

01:23:25.000 I think it alludes to what I was saying earlier that people remember how they feel.

01:23:29.000 They don't remember what you told them necessarily.

01:23:30.000 It's how they felt about what.

01:23:31.000 So, like, If you did a reading of the court case and they could listen to your voice and listen to your tone, they might get into it.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:23:39.000 But I also think it feels so much better.

01:23:42.000 Conspiracies and having hidden knowledge and listening to people talk about really inflated versions of topics, it feels better than actually reading boring information.

01:23:51.000 And the problem is, too, is all of the topics people care about are going to be solved by the people reading the boring information and doing the boring things and going through the bureaucracy.

01:24:00.000 That's where I see a lot of online political activism just being this black hole.

01:24:03.000 Where it's like, I'm going to hit like and subscribe and amplify.

01:24:06.000 Where it's like the people that are going and working at their school board and doing the boring paperwork that are actually having the biggest change.

01:24:13.000 And then we all wonder, oh, why isn't society moving in our direction?

01:24:16.000 Well, because no one wants to do the boring work. 0.99

01:24:18.000 And actually, the far left people that you super hate and criticize, well, they're willing to sit for 10 years on a board that you said was bullshit. 0.99

01:24:27.000 Yeah, that's a real problem that the right has. 0.97

01:24:30.000 Honestly, I think that is a more significant problem on the right than any kind of online BS.

01:24:36.000 It's the fact that people on the right don't want to go and do the.

01:24:40.000 Basically, the activist work.

01:24:41.000 I hate door knocking.

01:24:42.000 I hate door knocking more than anything in the whole planet. 1.00

01:24:44.000 Damn, you've done it. 0.99

01:24:45.000 That's rude. 0.99

01:24:46.000 The fact that you do it or have done it just goes to show that you actually have done more than most of the people that on the right have done it.

01:24:53.000 I'll never do that again.

01:24:53.000 There's so much data entry in my life.

01:24:56.000 That's what makes you wealthy and famous.

01:24:58.000 Door knocking is worse than data entry.

01:25:00.000 I promise you.

01:25:01.000 You don't need to do data entry anymore.

01:25:02.000 AI does that.

01:25:03.000 You can talk to AI pretty soon.

01:25:04.000 The boring people win in the end.

01:25:06.000 Honestly.

01:25:07.000 Is there a way to override emotional fervor with boringness?

01:25:11.000 No, because we're human beings.

01:25:12.000 Can you make the boringness cool?

01:25:13.000 You know, that's my one of my life's goals.

01:25:15.000 I think there will be, like, I am seeing, especially in young people, there is this pushback where it's like, actually, you're cooler if you don't have an Instagram.

01:25:21.000 You're cooler if you're not spending all day on your phone.

01:25:23.000 But it's like, once you've been programmed that way, like, I grew up on the internet.

01:25:28.000 I was playing video games at three years old.

01:25:30.000 You know, I'm programmed to be addicted to my phone, and so many young kids are being programmed that way.

01:25:34.000 But if you can undo that programming and be one of the few people who can read books, who can be in person and be silent and think and not be constantly on the feedback loop of the online world, man, that's powerful.

01:25:47.000 But It takes a lot of effort if you've already been programmed one way.

01:25:49.000 If you're someone that's listening to shows all day, it's going to be like getting off of crack, literally.

01:25:55.000 Have you guys gone through the phases where, because I went through phases where I listened to no podcasts, I was just creating stuff.

01:26:00.000 I can't listen to it anymore.

01:26:01.000 A switch flipped and I was just 24, I would have constant podcasts on the side screen, constant all day, all day, all day.

01:26:01.000 I'm over it.

01:26:07.000 I'd be working, I'd be typing, I'd be gaming, constant.

01:26:09.000 But then you can predict what they're all saying because it's all collapsed into the same.

01:26:12.000 It's a lot of like 35 years of my life without listening to podcasts.

01:26:17.000 So, I call it an ideological lap dance.

01:26:20.000 We're all going to the ideological strip club, and we want our favorite influencer to tell us exactly what we want to hear.

01:26:25.000 You're so right, queen. 0.94

01:26:26.000 All men are evil. 1.00

01:26:27.000 It's all women. 1.00

01:26:27.000 You're so right, king. 1.00

01:26:28.000 Yes, give me that ideological laugh.

01:26:30.000 It's also nice not to be alone because it brings a sense of community, right?

01:26:34.000 You know, like there's a lonely, if you're alone, if you sit alone and you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or a husband or whatever, and then there's two guys hanging out and they're like friends, Joe Rogan and Ari Shafir, you know, and I'm like, God, somebody's there talking, I can be in the room with.

01:26:46.000 You know, that.

01:26:47.000 Well, I mean, look, what you're talking about is, or at least what I'm understanding is that, like, people need to.

01:26:52.000 Be able to unplug from that stuff.

01:26:53.000 And I'm not, not that I'm like, you know, Ian's the hippie at the table, if I understand correctly, but like stuff like meditation and just putting the phone down or just sitting with yourself, that does wonders for you.

01:27:06.000 Like, I mean, I got a kid and so I spend time with my kid and stuff, but like if you can just put your device down and actually just sit with yourself for half an hour a day, you're probably miles ahead of all the people that are constantly on their phone, you know?

01:27:19.000 And not that I'm not, like, I do listen to a lot of podcasts, I listen to a lot of stuff, I've, you know, I listen to a lot of YouTube stuff, but like, If you can just sit the thing down and just focus on something else, that's a big deal for your mental health.

01:27:33.000 It's a balance.

01:27:34.000 You can't quit altogether.

01:27:36.000 It's nice to be aware of what you're doing.

01:27:37.000 Especially nowadays.

01:27:39.000 It's not that this is.

01:27:40.000 It's where life is.

01:27:41.000 Yeah, this is how people get food a lot of times.

01:27:43.000 People get basically all of the necessities of life.

01:27:46.000 They just use their phone.

01:27:47.000 Did you just make a book called It's Not Real Life?

01:27:49.000 It is not.

01:27:50.000 As long as you recognize it's not real life, this is why I think video games are healthier than online politics because you're aware that it's fake.

01:27:56.000 Well, it's still real life.

01:27:57.000 But it's like a fake thing in real life.

01:27:59.000 No, it's not real life.

01:28:00.000 It's not real life.

01:28:01.000 It's a part of real life.

01:28:02.000 All your digital stuff is still part of real life.

01:28:04.000 Okay, so.

01:28:04.000 It's just a digital.

01:28:05.000 All right, I thought you were talking about the internet.

01:28:07.000 It's like a LARP.

01:28:08.000 Everyone is LARPing.

01:28:09.000 You've created your fan.

01:28:10.000 I think this is where, like, a lot of young people, the 2008 financial crisis, everyone's parents were getting divorced and we were playing Just Dance, you know, in our bedroom or whatever.

01:28:18.000 It's like everything when we were younger and shit was going wrong, you went on the internet to go make your Neopets character or your RuneScape character, and that was more fun.

01:28:28.000 And now the grown up version of that is online politics. 0.90

01:28:31.000 Everything, I can never buy a home.

01:28:32.000 I'm not having a successful relationship.

01:28:34.000 I don't know what my future or culture is or anything.

01:28:37.000 But maybe I can build something like that online.

01:28:40.000 And that's where we go.

01:28:41.000 It's like our comfort place.

01:28:42.000 But it's not reality.

01:28:44.000 You're not building anything real.

01:28:45.000 And that's kind of the point that I was making with Ian, not to cut you off.

01:28:49.000 No, it's good.

01:28:50.000 You're saying video games are real life.

01:28:52.000 They're not real life.

01:28:53.000 You spend a lot of time trying to make achievements or what have you, and none of that stuff actually transfers into the real world.

01:29:00.000 If I tell you a story about the man who walked through the desert up over the hills, it's still real life.

01:29:05.000 It's just a story about a fake thing that I'm telling you in real life.

01:29:09.000 That's what a video game is.

01:29:10.000 I disagree.

01:29:11.000 But it's like we're going, so like before the internet, we were having all these conversations about how material reality wasn't real life because it was actually spiritual reality and what was going on in our minds that was real.

01:29:23.000 And we're like seeing, and the material world is like a separation from God.

01:29:26.000 And now we're like multiple degrees of separation from the video game world.

01:29:29.000 Well, you're talking about like that sounds like Beauregard's, I think Beauregard's simulacrum.

01:29:34.000 So like there, he wrote a book, I think the Iraq War was not a real war, right?

01:29:38.000 Like at one point, at some point in history, like a war had like an unpredictable outcome.

01:29:46.000 We went into World War II and no one knew who was going to win.

01:29:50.000 But then you look at the Iraq War, that wasn't a real war.

01:29:53.000 That didn't happen.

01:29:54.000 It actually happened.

01:29:55.000 There were war like things going on.

01:29:57.000 People died.

01:29:58.000 But in a war, there's an unpredictable outcome. 0.56

01:30:02.000 But everyone knew what was going to happen with the Iraq War.

01:30:05.000 And this philosopher, his name is Borgia Gardia, in the 90s, he wrote the book, I think it was called The Iraq War Wasn't Real or something like that.

01:30:12.000 But the point is reality has consequences.

01:30:16.000 Right.

01:30:17.000 And when you engage in things where you know the outcome, it's not real in the same way that other things in reality are.

01:30:27.000 And whether people like to admit it or not, you do know the outcome in the political realm.

01:30:31.000 You know the talking points you're going to say.

01:30:32.000 You know the responses you're going to get.

01:30:34.000 You know what every influencer is going to say.

01:30:36.000 And that's why it's very comfortable.

01:30:37.000 It's like people who keep rewatching TV shows.

01:30:40.000 You want to rewatch reruns of The Office because you know what's going to happen and it's very comfortable.

01:30:44.000 And that's why when you keep going back to the same political influencers, you know what they're going to say, you know what they're going to do.

01:30:50.000 And it's very comfortable.

01:30:51.000 We never, and it's in discomfort that we grow.

01:30:53.000 Yeah.

01:30:54.000 And no one wants to be uncomfortable.

01:30:56.000 And as we talk about the safe spaces of the left, and true, big problem, the right have their own hug boxes now, too.

01:31:01.000 Everyone does.

01:31:03.000 And the point about discomfort is a really big deal.

01:31:05.000 Like the idea that you want, and that's, we talk about like the fact that young people, you know, they kind of like, they live like lives that have been made, you know, snowplow parents and stuff.

01:31:16.000 They just kind of push all of the hardships away from their children so that way they don't ever have to struggle and you end up with a, a, A society of young people where things like opinions on the internet that they disagree with become quote unquote traumatic because they've never had to deal with discomfort and things like that.

01:31:37.000 And look, I mean, not that I'm some kind of fucking big tough guy or whatever, but it's like I try to go to the gym and I exercise and I understand that like you get progress at the gym when it sucks.

01:31:48.000 You know, it's like if there's a lot of people that I'm friends with that you know that never go to the gym or they have gone and they're like, oh, but it hurts so bad, and it's like that's the point. 0.77

01:31:57.000 You know, it's so funny.

01:31:58.000 I used to, I had this like crazy interpretation.

01:32:00.000 I think it came from 90s movies where it always convinced you, like the hot Chad was a bad person.

01:32:05.000 You know, like Regina George or whatever, always the bad person.

01:32:08.000 And so I always was like, oh, I have to support the underdog.

01:32:11.000 I have to support the nerd.

01:32:12.000 I have to do this.

01:32:13.000 And then it's like, actually, sometimes your physical appearance does link up to your personal effort you're putting in.

01:32:19.000 And that actually makes for a mind that is like, okay, you're locked in.

01:32:22.000 You're trying to be a better person.

01:32:24.000 But Hollywood really flipped that narrative on its head in like the 90s and early 2000s.

01:32:24.000 You're doing.

01:32:28.000 And Jason Biggs.

01:32:29.000 Yeah, trying to be.

01:32:31.000 Healthy is important.

01:32:33.000 And it is a signal of your mental state.

01:32:33.000 Yeah.

01:32:36.000 Not only that, but the idea, like, you look at the, and I know that this is going to be a partisan statement, and I fully admit that I'm a partisan.

01:32:43.000 I don't care what anyone says.

01:32:44.000 I don't care if Lauren looks down to me for it.

01:32:46.000 But the fact of the matter is, you look at people on the left that don't want to exercise, they're out of shape, or they don't try to make themselves look presentable.

01:32:55.000 The people that want to look good, usually that is a reflection of trying to put your best foot forward.

01:33:00.000 And it is a good thing to put your best foot forward.

01:33:02.000 But there's a realm where that goes too far, which is where you see the looks maxing praise on the right, where it's pure materialism.

01:33:07.000 Honorable wearing a suit.

01:33:08.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:33:09.000 What the fuck is that all about? 0.99

01:33:10.000 Why do people wear ties? 0.98

01:33:12.000 You should definitely wear each other.

01:33:14.000 I understand presentation.

01:33:15.000 I know how to look good.

01:33:16.000 I was an actor.

01:33:16.000 You have to put an effort to make life beautiful.

01:33:18.000 No, let me just tell you something about that.

01:33:19.000 Yes, yes, yes, you do.

01:33:20.000 It's more than that, too.

01:33:21.000 It's so easy to trick people with beauty.

01:33:23.000 No, it's beauty.

01:33:23.000 You trick yourself.

01:33:24.000 So, like, they've done studies where people that work from home, if they work in their pajamas, they are less productive than if they get dressed like they're actually going out and going to work.

01:33:33.000 I noticed that as an actor.

01:33:34.000 When I would put on the costume, I became the character.

01:33:37.000 But there is something.

01:33:38.000 That's why people say, like, fake it till you make it.

01:33:39.000 Like, wear the nice clothes and do the nice things, right?

01:33:42.000 Because it does make a shift in your brain.

01:33:44.000 There is something about truth, order, and goodness and beauty that is real that we are definitely far away from.

01:33:51.000 And that's why you should wear the suit.

01:33:52.000 There was a time in my life when the band was touring and stuff, and I was like, oh, I don't have to worry about looking good.

01:33:57.000 I don't have to.

01:33:58.000 I can just wear, you know, just wear, because Pantera was super cool, and they just look, you know, they just look like they rolled out of bed and blah, blah, blah.

01:34:04.000 And it affects the way, it affected not just the way that I felt, but it actually affected our performance.

01:34:10.000 When I try to make sure that I'm clean shaven or at least don't have like scraggly beard and stuff, and I go on stage, I feel better about myself.

01:34:17.000 I go on stage and I don't want to wear like ratty looking stuff.

01:34:21.000 There are times where I wear stuff that is, that you know, like has strategic rips in it because it's a look I'm trying to get, but I don't go up there and look like I'm disheveled.

01:34:30.000 I don't go up there with like looking like I haven't showered.

01:34:33.000 I haven't done that in years and years.

01:34:34.000 And it does make me feel better about being on stage and it makes me feel better about performing.

01:34:40.000 And that's the kind of thing that like if you get up out of bed, When people talk about people that have depression, one of the things that they say about people with depression is get up and get dressed.

01:34:50.000 If you just sit around in your pajamas all day.

01:34:53.000 Oh, plus all those microorganisms seeping into your skin through the cotton.

01:34:53.000 Yeah.

01:34:58.000 That's a different topic.

01:35:00.000 Because the point that I'm making is get up and get out of bed and brush your hair, brush your teeth, take a shower, and put on normal clothes as if you're going to go out and do something.

01:35:11.000 So that way you're not laying around in pajamas.

01:35:13.000 This is one of the reasons why I hate people that go to the airport dressed in pajamas.

01:35:16.000 You look terrible.

01:35:17.000 Stop it.

01:35:18.000 But you're saying just even putting your shoes on in your house, clean your shoes on in your house, like it will create you to feel like you're going somewhere, and then you'll start doing chores.

01:35:26.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:35:27.000 Except there's fecal matter on the bottom of those shoes, probably.

01:35:30.000 If you were outside, you could have a pair of house shoes.

01:35:32.000 So there's balance, it's the balance. 0.99

01:35:34.000 You want to obviously not be a scumbag that lays around their own filth for three days, but you also don't want to put on airs to like trick people into thinking you're the second coming when you're like a demon. 0.99

01:35:46.000 I think it's the intention. 1.00

01:35:47.000 It's like with the look maxers, the problem is their intention is. 1.00

01:35:50.000 Ego, sex, and status. 1.00

01:35:52.000 And so when they get those things, it doesn't fulfill because they actually want someone to love them for who they are and they're going about it the wrong way, right?

01:35:58.000 Even Clavicular has come out and said, like, my life is a horror movie.

01:36:01.000 I did this to try to be loved and have attention, but now all he has is attention for his outward image.

01:36:07.000 I remember the first time I moved out of my house when I was like 19, 20 to Toronto.

01:36:11.000 I had this feeling of something was wrong.

01:36:13.000 Why is everything different?

01:36:15.000 And I realized that life doesn't have a soundtrack.

01:36:18.000 And I thought life had a soundtrack because every morning my parents would wake up early and they'd put on Supertramp, they'd put on The Beatles, they'd put on Frank Sinatra, whatever it was, and make pancakes.

01:36:27.000 And I was like, oh my gosh, life doesn't just automatically have a soundtrack.

01:36:30.000 They had to do things to create a beautiful childhood for me.

01:36:34.000 They had to do things to create a beautiful environment for me.

01:36:37.000 And that's putting in effort to make life beautiful for family, for love of others.

01:36:41.000 And there's no cap on that.

01:36:43.000 Love has infinite expansion, right?

01:36:46.000 Whereas ego centric behavior becomes smaller and smaller.

01:36:50.000 So you can infinitely create beauty.

01:36:52.000 But if you're infinitely going into the ego, it's going to make things smaller.

01:36:55.000 You got to define beauty.

01:36:56.000 I agree with what you're saying, but you don't want to overdo.

01:36:59.000 But like, is playing a song.

01:37:00.000 Is doing it in the wrong way?

01:37:02.000 Like, I wouldn't consider playing music for your kid or making them healthy food beauty necessarily.

01:37:06.000 It's like making it look good.

01:37:07.000 It's a form of love.

01:37:09.000 Yeah, it's a form of love, like kindness and good kind deeds.

01:37:12.000 But like making it look nice when in the background people are beating each other up is like, you're adding new things to it.

01:37:19.000 That is like totally out of the whole of like politics.

01:37:22.000 Like, we're talking about over here.

01:37:23.000 No, we're talking about politics and like facades.

01:37:25.000 She was talking about how her home was.

01:37:28.000 Yeah.

01:37:28.000 And her home had, when she was growing up, always had music because her.

01:37:33.000 Parents put effort into making it beautiful.

01:37:35.000 And then you're just like, yeah, but there's a guy!

01:37:39.000 What is that?

01:37:41.000 There were worms crawling around in the dirt.

01:37:43.000 Yeah, you didn't say I only had this crazy thing.

01:37:46.000 It's a constant contradiction, bro.

01:37:48.000 So, like, I'm saying that if just to find beauty, because yes, I had that too.

01:37:52.000 I had warm skin.

01:37:53.000 Beating people up is not beauty.

01:37:54.000 That's not an expansion of beauty.

01:37:56.000 Beating people up is not an expansion of beauty.

01:37:58.000 I grew up with the same thing a really healthy, kind, loving environment.

01:38:02.000 I just thought it automatically happened.

01:38:03.000 And more recently, I've been realizing they.

01:38:05.000 They made it happen.

01:38:06.000 They were aggressively creating a calm, comfortable environment.

01:38:10.000 But beauty is a different.

01:38:13.000 I know what you mean when you say it's a beautiful memory.

01:38:15.000 I get that.

01:38:15.000 But like the visage of what things look like, beauty is an eyeball sight thing.

01:38:22.000 No, not necessarily.

01:38:23.000 Yeah, there is feeling.

01:38:24.000 No, yeah, it's totally not.

01:38:26.000 Like beauty is not just about aesthetics.

01:38:30.000 Although it is a part, or you can have aesthetics that are beautiful.

01:38:34.000 Like beauty is like, if you, you know what, it's a beautiful thing.

01:38:39.000 When someone helps an old lady across the street, that's a beautiful behavior.

01:38:46.000 You can take action in the real world that other people will say, oh, that's beautiful.

01:38:52.000 He's just trying to say that beauty is subjective.

01:38:52.000 Okay.

01:38:54.000 I think that's what Ian's trying to say.

01:38:55.000 I disagree with that.

01:38:57.000 I do disagree with that.

01:38:58.000 That's not true.

01:38:58.000 There are people that build up their beauty to trick people to get them to follow.

01:39:01.000 You keep looking to add, but I'm talking about physical appearance. 0.98

01:39:04.000 You're more black-pilled than me. 0.97

01:39:06.000 I've been black-pilled since 2007, bro. 1.00

01:39:08.000 I'm dealing with this shit. 1.00

01:39:09.000 But that's not even where they were going with that. 0.99

01:39:11.000 Like, they're saying that if you're, if you're, like, alarm-saving for intent, if you're doing it for the wrong reasons, that'll show, though.

01:39:17.000 Like, you'll see that.

01:39:18.000 You see that in certain people, like, it will shine, that part will shine through their outward appearance.

01:39:23.000 Like, when you came in the room and your hair was all done, I was like, that's very lovely.

01:39:26.000 It's nice to look at.

01:39:27.000 Thank you.

01:39:28.000 Like, it's not, it is.

01:39:29.000 I'm not even, I'm not thinking, yeah, the left curve.

01:39:32.000 But, like, it's nice to look at, right?

01:39:33.000 Spirals.

01:39:34.000 I like the pathway at.

01:39:35.000 It's nice to look at.

01:39:36.000 It doesn't all have to be like narcissists.

01:39:38.000 It helps the brain, like, the patterns and shape recognition can literally help your neurons grow.

01:39:43.000 No, this is what she was saying earlier.

01:39:45.000 What we were there about getting, like, you know, putting the nice clothes on and whatever.

01:39:48.000 It's about taking care of yourself.

01:39:50.000 You got to take care of yourself and you have to, you know, have some self esteem, right?

01:39:54.000 Like, care about your looks and your appearance and not in an egotistical way, because, like I said, that will show.

01:39:59.000 You'll see the BBLs and the things.

01:40:01.000 Like, that's not the same thing as just maintaining yourself to make your life easier.

01:40:07.000 Let me interject.

01:40:08.000 Ian, you were talking about like suit and tie and stuff like that.

01:40:11.000 You've seen me come into the show hundreds of times, right?

01:40:15.000 My hats are clean.

01:40:17.000 My shirts are usually, they're not like, I'm not wearing a suit and tie, but they usually look, they're clean.

01:40:22.000 Usually, I don't have.

01:40:24.000 A mess on them.

01:40:25.000 They're not all wrinkled and stuff.

01:40:28.000 My jeans are fairly nice.

01:40:31.000 Really?

01:40:31.000 Because I don't ever think you look that put together.

01:40:33.000 But the point that I'm making is I don't look like I just rolled out of bed.

01:40:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:40.000 I don't leave the house like that. 0.97

01:40:43.000 Lisa.

01:40:44.000 Lisa's here trying.

01:40:46.000 Lisa is just trying to derail everything because I have nothing to say.

01:40:50.000 She has nothing to say.

01:40:52.000 Right now, and it's like something you'd wear to the.

01:40:55.000 You can wear something tighter, man.

01:40:56.000 It's not.

01:40:57.000 Show off your muscles.

01:40:58.000 That's something you could definitely wear to bed.

01:41:00.000 I don't wear tight shirts, and you know exactly why I don't wear them.

01:41:04.000 No, because you do on stage and you get too much touch.

01:41:06.000 No, no, no, never mind.

01:41:08.000 No, no, tell me more.

01:41:09.000 You don't want to show off the muscles?

01:41:10.000 I've said a hundred times why I don't wear tight shirts.

01:41:13.000 I'm not sure.

01:41:14.000 I don't want to.

01:41:14.000 I haven't been here.

01:41:15.000 You got to tell me.

01:41:16.000 Because I have a gun, and I don't want to.

01:41:18.000 I don't want to.

01:41:20.000 You know, I wear loose shirts so that way I don't print.

01:41:23.000 And you know I carry a functional.

01:41:23.000 God.

01:41:25.000 I wear holes in my jeans because it's more windy.

01:41:27.000 Because there's two tails, and you can't.

01:41:29.000 Clear.

01:41:30.000 Anyways, I specifically pick my wardrobe for a reason.

01:41:33.000 At least it's not stained and tattered.

01:41:35.000 No, it's not stained and tattered at all.

01:41:36.000 I wear pajamas on set because it's cooler.

01:41:39.000 Like the wind blows.

01:41:40.000 It's a thinner material.

01:41:41.000 It's soft.

01:41:41.000 You are also, like, your entire personality is like a quirky.

01:41:46.000 You always do quirky things.

01:41:49.000 What?

01:41:50.000 You were about to say something.

01:41:52.000 That's a.

01:41:52.000 What do they call that?

01:41:54.000 I'm very.

01:41:54.000 Well, you know, you wear a purple velvet jacket with, like, a Hawaiian t shirt.

01:42:02.000 To be fair, To Ian, his clothing choice may be eccentric, but it never looks like pajamas.

01:42:09.000 I used to wear pajamas.

01:42:10.000 I mean, maybe that shirt you're wearing today does, but there was a time where he would literally roll out of bed and then go to the show.

01:42:17.000 You know what happened?

01:42:18.000 I used to come on the show with pajamas and I'd be like, who cares what I wear?

01:42:21.000 It doesn't matter to me what clothes I wear.

01:42:22.000 So when they asked me to wear normal pants, I was like, oh, who cares what I wear?

01:42:26.000 Of course, I'll just wear the normal pants.

01:42:28.000 I like used my own argument against myself to change.

01:42:31.000 Okay.

01:42:31.000 Like, if I really don't care what I'm wearing, then just wear what they're asking me to wear.

01:42:34.000 I'm not on this.

01:42:35.000 I just don't want to wear a tie because it can choke you out with a tie.

01:42:37.000 We were talking about beauty and now we've turned it to a real tie.

01:42:39.000 That's the beauty of politics.

01:42:40.000 People manipulating people with their visage, you know?

01:42:42.000 That's what it's all about.

01:42:43.000 The point is, like, beauty is not just in aesthetics.

01:42:47.000 You can behave in a beautiful manner.

01:42:49.000 Like, that's actually something that's real.

01:42:52.000 And it gives you a connection with the real world because you're not trying to put on airs or whatever.

01:43:00.000 It's just when you dress nicely and try to look like you're put together, you will try to put your best foot forward.

01:43:07.000 That doesn't mean you have to wear, like, a suit and tie.

01:43:10.000 But you want to wear stuff that doesn't look like, you know, you just roll that at bet.

01:43:14.000 To what end, I guess, is the question.

01:43:16.000 Do we have another news story?

01:43:17.000 I'm sure we do.

01:43:18.000 This is like an ethical debate about how righteous is using beauty.

01:43:22.000 All right, so we can talk about Jesus.

01:43:25.000 You know, I've been saying how great it's going to be to have you on the show, and I completely take it back.

01:43:32.000 You're just difficult.

01:43:34.000 You know, I'm not trying to be difficult.

01:43:36.000 Maybe I'm just a little moody this week.

01:43:39.000 All right, frustrated.

01:43:40.000 From Fox News.

01:43:42.000 Trump admin launches its first major H 1B visa fraud investigation.

01:43:47.000 The Trump administration is escalating its crackdown on immigration related fraud, launching its first major investigation into alleged H 1B and perm visa abuse, labor trafficking, and the displacement of American workers.

01:44:01.000 Labor Department Inspector General Anthony D'Esposito told Fox Business on Wednesday.

01:44:06.000 D'Esposito announced that the probe exclusively on Mornings with Maria, calling it the latest step in the administration's expanding anti fraud campaign ahead of Vice President JD Vance's nationwide fraud initiative.

01:44:19.000 Event in Milwaukee set for later in the day.

01:44:22.000 This is another example where fraud is fueling violent crime, he said.

01:44:25.000 Much of the visa and human trafficking that we see when it comes to this foreign labor is tied to cartels.

01:44:30.000 It's tied to transnational gangs.

01:44:32.000 And this is the work that we should be doing, not only to make America safe again, but to make America more affordable again.

01:44:39.000 I think that's an actual step in the right direction, but I don't think that the people that are most critical of the H 1B visa program are connecting it to crime.

01:44:50.000 I think they're connecting it to the fact that people can't find a job. 0.61

01:44:53.000 They're connecting it to big companies that will fire American workers so that way they can bring foreign workers in cheaper on H 1B visas.

01:45:01.000 And the part of the reason why they do that with H 1B visas is because the visa itself is tied to employment.

01:45:06.000 So you get a person from another country into the U.S. that has an H 1B visa and the company has leverage over them.

01:45:12.000 They can say, look, if you don't want to work Saturday, maybe we'll fire you and you know, maybe you'll have to go back to the home to your home country because your visa is tied to your employment.

01:45:22.000 And so it makes people afraid to turn down demands by their employer. 1.00

01:45:28.000 So, I mean, Lisa, do you think that we should look at H 1B visas in totality and just get rid of all of them like I do? 1.00

01:45:36.000 Or do you think that. 1.00

01:45:37.000 Oh, yeah, I would get rid of them all. 0.99

01:45:38.000 I mean, they also have these like big farm, like, you know, H 1B visa farm things where like, you know, somebody in like, say, India will get a bunch of, apply for a bunch of visas and then farm them out for contractor work here and they will be beholden to them.

01:45:54.000 And there's a lot of fraud and abuse in those too.

01:45:57.000 And it, It doesn't help Americans.

01:45:59.000 It doesn't help wages.

01:45:59.000 It's just not good all around.

01:46:01.000 What's your take on the visa, H 1B visa situation? 1.00

01:46:03.000 She's Canadian. 1.00

01:46:04.000 She doesn't have to. 1.00

01:46:04.000 I don't care. 1.00

01:46:05.000 Really?

01:46:05.000 She doesn't care.

01:46:06.000 I don't care.

01:46:06.000 See, I knew, just like she said, I knew what you were going to say.

01:46:09.000 We knew what Laura was going to say.

01:46:10.000 Now I'm not even exciting anymore.

01:46:11.000 I'm just, you know, the conversation tree.

01:46:13.000 You've updated the information.

01:46:14.000 I love the meta conversation about the conversation.

01:46:18.000 I love it.

01:46:19.000 I hope you guys are keeping up out there.

01:46:21.000 Understand structural here.

01:46:22.000 Don't worry.

01:46:23.000 They're not.

01:46:24.000 Don't worry.

01:46:27.000 It matters.

01:46:28.000 Fair.

01:46:28.000 Such lack of faith in your audience.

01:46:29.000 Not, no.

01:46:30.000 There's a few of them.

01:46:31.000 There's a few of them that get it.

01:46:32.000 I believe in you.

01:46:33.000 You got this.

01:46:33.000 She's lying.

01:46:34.000 You don't even know what I really think about audiences in general.

01:46:36.000 I think you should love the sound.

01:46:37.000 Well, I mean, look.

01:46:38.000 It's not good for me.

01:46:39.000 I'm the only one telling the truth to you.

01:46:40.000 Lock in.

01:46:40.000 Let's go.

01:46:41.000 For people who like the business, what I think about audiences, nobody should ever say all that.

01:46:45.000 Well, individuals are awesome, but the masses of people can become more. 1.00

01:46:48.000 No, I think most individuals are retarded. 1.00

01:46:51.000 I think that if you. 1.00

01:46:54.000 I just think that you're kind of pathetic if you're sitting there hating on people and like writing things like, oh, these people care so much about me in a chat. 0.98

01:47:03.000 Like to comment on. 0.97

01:47:04.000 Sorry for all our super chatters and all that, but the comment on somebody's YouTube channel to me is wild.

01:47:11.000 We forget that there are crackheads on the internet.

01:47:13.000 Like, we forget that half the people yelling at us, like, we would cross the street and be like, oh, that person's insane. 0.96

01:47:20.000 Think about how you get like a nasty DM.

01:47:21.000 Think about how you get like a nasty private DM from somebody you don't know saying like some horrific thing. 0.96

01:47:26.000 Like, what a loser you have to be to message somebody, care enough to mess, take time out of your day to message somebody you don't know about. 0.97

01:47:35.000 It is beyond Loserville. 0.99

01:47:38.000 My favorite thing. 0.99

01:47:39.000 Most people in the audiences, of all audiences, are losers. 0.98

01:47:42.000 I'll respond sometimes. 1.00

01:47:43.000 Like, I get these messages, like, you're a dumb whore or whatever. 1.00

01:47:45.000 And I'll be like, hey, why'd you say that? 1.00

01:47:47.000 And they'll be like, I'm so sorry.

01:47:49.000 I never thought you would respond to me.

01:47:50.000 Like, I actually think you're great.

01:47:51.000 I don't know why I said that.

01:47:52.000 Like, I literally just wanted attention.

01:47:54.000 Like, I've had people respond to me this way.

01:47:56.000 What are you doing, though?

01:47:57.000 That, like, that's even a thing.

01:47:59.000 It's just the minority of people that will, like, most of the people that get really negative comments, it's less than 1% of the audience.

01:48:06.000 You know, most of the audiences.

01:48:07.000 I kind of find that funny.

01:48:08.000 I get them all the time.

01:48:09.000 People can't wait for me to shut up today.

01:48:10.000 Right.

01:48:10.000 Like, I don't care.

01:48:11.000 But my point is to even, like, write that, like, there's something wrong with you.

01:48:18.000 For sure, it's a projection of emotional distress.

01:48:21.000 It's really weird, and we don't care that you say those things because we think you're their ex girlfriend, you're their mom, you're their dad.

01:48:29.000 It's like you're just a stand in for someone they can't get business, but like, I'm telling, I think it's weird.

01:48:34.000 I'm just curious as to why you were like, Oh, we should start talking about the next topic when you're just like, As soon as we start talking about the topic, you're just gonna derail it.

01:48:45.000 You know what?

01:48:46.000 I'm a big fan of Lisa's derailing, I think all the derailing has been really important.

01:48:50.000 I think we've gotten through a lot here.

01:48:51.000 Together, I would prefer to go around nosing. 1.00

01:48:53.000 You're just kissing ass. 1.00

01:48:56.000 We look, Lauren doesn't care about his ass. 1.00

01:48:58.000 I fight. 1.00

01:48:59.000 Me and Lisa have fought this whole time.

01:49:00.000 I'm allowed to say we've fought more than once with each other. 0.89

01:49:02.000 We've fought with each other, and we've just been dick riding each other this whole show. 1.00

01:49:06.000 Bill's just a magnificent dick riding. 1.00

01:49:09.000 I can't, I'm not. 1.00

01:49:10.000 I'm gonna say, let's tee admit that. 1.00

01:49:11.000 You can, you can, everybody that watches this show knows that I give in an endless amount of shit. 1.00

01:49:17.000 That's why I don't like you, man. 1.00

01:49:18.000 I don't like women in general. 1.00

01:49:20.000 Let's just put this out there, right? 0.99

01:49:22.000 But I have a lot of respect for Lauren because whenever I have said something to her or confronted her or said, Hey, I don't like this, she actually, instead of talking shit behind my back, she will address it with me. 0.89

01:49:31.000 There are very few people who do that. 0.96

01:49:34.000 Very few.

01:49:35.000 So I've always liked Lauren.

01:49:36.000 I feel the same about you.

01:49:37.000 I truly feel the same about you.

01:49:38.000 I had gone up to her.

01:49:39.000 We were outside of almost a bowling alley or something that wasn't working.

01:49:42.000 Were we partying?

01:49:43.000 We were going to drink.

01:49:43.000 Were we partying?

01:49:44.000 We didn't party.

01:49:44.000 And I was like, I was drinking, but I wasn't doing drugs.

01:49:48.000 But anyway, but I came up to you and I was like, Yo, I got a problem with this.

01:49:51.000 And you addressed it with me head on. 0.98

01:49:53.000 We don't talk shit about each other behind each other's backs. 0.82

01:49:56.000 I appreciate that from Lauren, and I'm not afraid to tell her how I feel, even if we disagree. 0.95

01:50:00.000 I will say that's not always like that.

01:50:02.000 Very rarely.

01:50:03.000 Very rarely.

01:50:05.000 What's that?

01:50:05.000 You have very direct communication.

01:50:07.000 I think all four of us have very direct communication styles and are also very disagreeable personality wise.

01:50:12.000 So if there's a problem, it's way easier to address it with that kind of personality trait.

01:50:17.000 For me, it is.

01:50:18.000 I think it's healthier to get it out on the table and say what you have to say.

01:50:22.000 And then, you know, if there's any other residual stuff, then.

01:50:26.000 Let it let it just hold it in and yeah, I think holding it in is really good.

01:50:30.000 I think talking bad about people behind their backs is really bad.

01:50:32.000 No, that's like talking about Candace.

01:50:33.000 I don't even want to talk.

01:50:35.000 I understand we're in the realm of commentary about what's happening in the world and there are people involved.

01:50:39.000 I would sit down and have a face.

01:50:40.000 That's the thing though.

01:50:41.000 I like, I showed up here and I'm like, I'm not going to do a video about Tim disagreeing with me, I'm not going to do a video about Lisa disagreeing with me.

01:50:48.000 I'm like, I will show up.

01:50:49.000 You guys invited me and I will talk to you face to face, let you have a response.

01:50:52.000 You sure?

01:50:53.000 I wish Tim was here.

01:50:53.000 Like, Tim, whenever you watch this again, I did text him.

01:50:56.000 He wants you to come out and yeah.

01:50:58.000 I'll have a face to face conversation with him 100%.

01:51:00.000 And same with Candace.

01:51:01.000 Like, if Candace ever wanted to talk, I don't think I'm big enough for her to care, but I'd talk to her. 0.88

01:51:05.000 So, as long as I think there's that aspect of, like, I'd talk to you instead of I'm going to talk shit and then I'm going to run when you want to actually have a conversation with me, cool. 0.98

01:51:13.000 It's tough because if you've talked shit in the past, then you kind of got to own it when you see him face to face. 1.00

01:51:17.000 Like, Dave Rubin, you're a coward if you don't. 0.99

01:51:19.000 If you don't, like, I've written about having frustrations with the way this show is constructed. 0.95

01:51:25.000 I've written about having frustrations about that episode.

01:51:27.000 I'm not going to come on here and pretend I haven't done that.

01:51:29.000 I didn't even know you did that.

01:51:30.000 Yeah, that's okay.

01:51:31.000 Like, I don't care.

01:51:32.000 It's just like, Like you said, you have to be able to say it to their face when you're there.

01:51:36.000 That's what authenticity and honesty is.

01:51:38.000 If you want to actually heal, if you want to harm, you can scream about it into the void when they're not around and let other people pay you for it.

01:51:44.000 But, like, if you really want to solve the problem, direct face to, you know, you know what I'd say about that, Ian?

01:51:50.000 Smash the like button, share the show with all your friends, head on over to timcast.com, become a member so you can join our Discord, and head on over to rumble.com so you can watch the after show where Lisa and Lauren are actually going to fist fight because they like to.

01:52:05.000 They like to mud wrestle out.

01:52:06.000 Whoa, I don't know about that.

01:52:07.000 I don't know.

01:52:08.000 You guys got the pit?

01:52:09.000 Yeah, it's okay.

01:52:10.000 All right, so, but right now we're going to go to your rumble rants and your super chats.

01:52:14.000 Let's see. 0.75

01:52:15.000 Marusha Dark says, I'm as anti war as Dave Smith, but the more Iran jerks us around, the more I'm okay with a coalition of boots on the ground to wipe out the IRGC. 0.73

01:52:25.000 Not sure why Trump doesn't call for Israel, GCC, Kurds, Persians to do this. 0.86

01:52:30.000 Because Iran is literally a mountain stronghold. 0.96

01:52:34.000 There will be no boots on the ground. 0.99

01:52:35.000 I talked about this last night.

01:52:36.000 Iran is a very mountainous territory, it is not like Iraq.

01:52:40.000 There will be no ground invasion.

01:52:42.000 It is not going to happen. 0.99

01:52:44.000 Look, if you don't like Iran the way they're behaving, that's fine. 0.95

01:52:47.000 If you think that the airstrikes are okay, that's fine too.

01:52:51.000 But the idea that the U.S. is going to actually have a serious military buildup and go into Iran, that is not going to happen.

01:52:58.000 You know, also, you can save this clip.

01:53:01.000 There will not be a U.S. invasion of Iran.

01:53:04.000 Not happening.

01:53:05.000 You're also looking at media from the U.S., from the liberal economic order.

01:53:09.000 So, like, I read this media about Iran attacked three.

01:53:13.000 Tankers going through the Strait of Hormuz two days ago. 0.99

01:53:15.000 Therefore, the US is totally in the right to bomb the shit out of that country. 0.97

01:53:19.000 And I'm like, okay, that's all liberal media, like liberal economic, that's Western media. 0.99

01:53:24.000 I just quit, and I'm Team America all the way.

01:53:26.000 I don't want to be like, I don't want to question our government to the point that we lose a war because I would rather have American hegemony than Israeli hegemony or Chinese hegemony.

01:53:36.000 But also, you got to understand that this media is being manipulated and coming through funnels. 0.96

01:53:40.000 So, like, just be careful about jumping on the blow up Iran bandwagon. 0.72

01:53:46.000 Based on the media you read, let's see. 1.00

01:53:50.000 Quantum Strange says, Keep the booze away from Lauren.

01:53:53.000 And then he sends smiley faces.

01:53:55.000 The booze makes me better, okay?

01:53:57.000 I'm a better driver.

01:53:58.000 They always say that I'm drunk every show.

01:54:00.000 The chat says that I'm drunk.

01:54:02.000 And I'm like, I don't, I get drunk at about five.

01:54:04.000 Don't worry.

01:54:05.000 I'm just, I got a nice little buzz going.

01:54:07.000 Kevin D says, God bless Phil for dealing with this in person.

01:54:10.000 At least I can mute.

01:54:11.000 Brutal.

01:54:13.000 The chat was not happy with me and Lauren talking to Lauren.

01:54:18.000 There's a lot of criticism.

01:54:20.000 Feel free.

01:54:20.000 Go for the harshest one, I guess.

01:54:23.000 The harshest one.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:24.000 Give me a second here.

01:54:25.000 I'm sure.

01:54:27.000 The harshest.

01:54:28.000 Too many.

01:54:29.000 Is it about the tone that they were doing?

01:54:31.000 I don't know.

01:54:32.000 Here we go.

01:54:34.000 Lauren, I'm changing my mind on take because of you, but I just want to know did I hook up with Destiny and say he has a beautiful mind?

01:54:40.000 I think that he meant did you.

01:54:42.000 Listen, okay?

01:54:44.000 Somebody just said it.

01:54:45.000 They were like, oh, Lisa's so tough, but she won't ask Lauren about Destiny. 0.99

01:54:48.000 I'm like, because I don't give a shit about Destiny. 0.98

01:54:52.000 I've written about it in a book. 0.98

01:54:54.000 Okay, you know what? 0.99

01:54:55.000 Everyone's just mad at me for being a woman in a male dominated field.

01:54:58.000 All these guys in the right wing sphere will go after the BPD blue haired, like, art hoe from college, and then I do it, and I'm in trouble.

01:55:07.000 But it's because they're. 0.98

01:55:09.000 That's kind of funny.

01:55:11.000 That's kind of funny.

01:55:13.000 I'm literally acting like all the right wing men I've watched around me.

01:55:16.000 Yellow Flash Production says Destiny's Angel isn't trustworthy. 1.00

01:55:19.000 Anyone who would touch that thing is scum like him. 0.98

01:55:22.000 Did enjoy the W on Jeremy, though. 0.99

01:55:26.000 What's the W on Jeremy?

01:55:28.000 Oh, I wrote a piece about the quartering in my Substack.

01:55:31.000 Go check it out.

01:55:32.000 Lauren Southern.

01:55:33.000 At LaurenSouthern on Twitter.

01:55:33.000 You did?

01:55:35.000 I posted the video to Tommy as well.

01:55:37.000 You're in a radical openness phase.

01:55:39.000 I'm in a radical openness phase.

01:55:40.000 I mean, it's probably not good for my reputation, but I think it's good for people in general and humanity in general.

01:55:46.000 It's good for my health.

01:55:47.000 It's really good for my health.

01:55:48.000 K Max McDonald said, Who would you most want to debate on the right, Lauren, that you have not gotten to?

01:55:53.000 Would it be Myron Gaines or the whatever podcast guy, Brian?

01:55:56.000 The whatever podcast guy has invited me on, but I'm still a little skeptical of whether that's good or bad to do.

01:56:02.000 I've asked to debate Myron Gaines.

01:56:04.000 I've just set up finally a debate with Rachel Wilson, so that's happening.

01:56:09.000 But yeah, I'll debate Myron if he's up for it.

01:56:11.000 We'll put you guys on the.

01:56:12.000 We'll do a culture war with you and Myron.

01:56:14.000 There we go.

01:56:14.000 Whatever sounds like it would be awesome for you.

01:56:16.000 Would you be the one?

01:56:17.000 It's funny because I agree with 90% of what Myron says too.

01:56:22.000 There we go.

01:56:23.000 But no, but it's fine.

01:56:25.000 And Ash says, I don't super chat often, but when Lisa brought up the Lisa Lauren thing, I thought she'd finally address the elephant in the room.

01:56:32.000 They're so easy to mix up.

01:56:33.000 Does Tim pay Lisa in liquor as well?

01:56:36.000 I don't drink like that.

01:56:37.000 Everybody knows that.

01:56:38.000 Like, what is happening?

01:56:39.000 Everyone does not know that.

01:56:40.000 Everyone disbelieves you.

01:56:41.000 I think because I'm so animated or.

01:56:43.000 Because I have like a little lisp too.

01:56:45.000 They always think I'm drunk.

01:56:46.000 And they always confuse me with that girl that did get drunk on the show.

01:56:48.000 What was that one girl? 0.97

01:56:50.000 No. 1.00

01:56:50.000 Lauren Southern? 1.00

01:56:51.000 There was a different girl that got drunk.

01:56:54.000 I don't want to say if it's wrong.

01:56:55.000 Amanda Mealy?

01:56:56.000 Amanda Mealy.

01:56:56.000 No, I don't remember.

01:56:57.000 Yeah, she got drunk.

01:56:58.000 Okay, so they always confuse me with her.

01:56:59.000 That's one.

01:57:00.000 But I don't drink like that.

01:57:01.000 She's a great person.

01:57:01.000 I like her.

01:57:02.000 I'm just thinking about it.

01:57:03.000 I had one drink.

01:57:03.000 We'll say this.

01:57:04.000 I had one drink last night with dinner.

01:57:06.000 And I was so hurting this afternoon today that I said, didn't I?

01:57:10.000 And I was like, you were with me.

01:57:10.000 Didn't I come in here?

01:57:11.000 Oh, yeah, you were faded.

01:57:12.000 I had one drink.

01:57:13.000 And I was like, I can't do this.

01:57:15.000 It doesn't affect me.

01:57:15.000 I don't know.

01:57:16.000 I don't like it.

01:57:17.000 You have no tolerance.

01:57:19.000 It's my heart thing, too.

01:57:20.000 But, like, I can't drink anymore.

01:57:22.000 I don't drink.

01:57:23.000 So, Carolden says, Lisa, what do the people in the business and in the know say about aliens?

01:57:30.000 It's funny that you say that.

01:57:31.000 A lot of people in Congress say that they are real, but I don't really think they are.

01:57:36.000 But that's okay.

01:57:39.000 Oh, here we go.

01:57:40.000 Here's a good one for Lauren.

01:57:42.000 Akeron504 says, Hey, Lauren, you talked about owning up to what you've said in the past.

01:57:46.000 Well, I'm sorry, Lauren, for how I've treated you in the past.

01:57:49.000 I only wish I could change the past.

01:57:51.000 Hope you're doing well.

01:57:52.000 I don't know who that person is.

01:57:54.000 I appreciate that.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, you know?

01:57:55.000 ARCon 504.

01:57:57.000 All right.

01:57:57.000 Let's see.

01:58:00.000 I like that.

01:58:01.000 Now you're getting into reading all the bad ones. 0.56

01:58:03.000 Hence, One Pack says if only these influencers would stop having sex with each other, then complain later like anyone cares about their sex lives.

01:58:11.000 You guys act like, I will say this, though, people act like that doesn't happen in other fields.

01:58:17.000 Like, look at nurses and cops.

01:58:19.000 I mean, like, you know, it's human nature.

01:58:21.000 People are around each other.

01:58:22.000 I have had sex with zero people in these political.

01:58:25.000 I'm not sleeping around.

01:58:25.000 It's like, but I'm just saying, you're just kind of ignoring like the human element of it.

01:58:30.000 No, I don't think it's good to do any of all that, but like it happens.

01:58:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:35.000 Like, what are you going to do?

01:58:36.000 Literally, who cares about the sex stuff?

01:58:38.000 Like, who cares? 1.00

01:58:39.000 You're actually mentally ill if you care about who's having sex with who. 1.00

01:58:42.000 But the criminal stuff, like that matters. 1.00

01:58:44.000 Like committing crimes and trafficking underage children, that matters.

01:58:48.000 The sex stuff is like, dude, you're in an industry with a bunch of hot people that are like, Famous and rich.

01:58:54.000 So, like, it's tempting.

01:58:55.000 And then, like, who's famous and rich?

01:58:57.000 All of us.

01:58:57.000 We're all relatively famous.

01:58:58.000 I thought you guys were rich.

01:59:00.000 I was like, wait a minute.

01:59:00.000 Like, famous and rich, I guess.

01:59:02.000 But, but it's about like a testament of like, do you have self control?

01:59:05.000 Like, can you control yourself in this industry?

01:59:07.000 I tell anybody that joins the industry, I'm like, bro, you're going to get all the drugs, all the sex, and all the money you need.

01:59:12.000 So, you got to control your body. 0.87

01:59:14.000 That animal is wild, bro.

01:59:15.000 Isn't that a different industry?

01:59:17.000 Like, honestly.

01:59:19.000 Are you into CPAC?

01:59:20.000 DCH29 says, this episode of Foxy Boxing is brought to you by the Tim Cass Discord.

01:59:26.000 This is fire.

01:59:30.000 I'm having a good time, though.

01:59:32.000 Oh, here's one that's actually not about you two.

01:59:35.000 Platner, Phalanx says Platner shouldn't be able to choose his replacement.

01:59:39.000 The Democrat voters chose him.

01:59:41.000 So if he drops out, Collins should win by default.

01:59:44.000 The general is for the people that were elected in the primaries.

01:59:47.000 I mean, look, I am, like I've said a bunch of times, I'm an open partisan.

01:59:52.000 I would like to see anything happen that would prevent Democrats from getting into positions of authority because I think that they're a terrible, terrible bane on the American people.

02:00:02.000 But I don't think that that's actually going to happen.

02:00:04.000 In the way that Democratic, first of all, the Democratic Party is a private company.

02:00:07.000 And so is the Republican Party.

02:00:08.000 They're private companies.

02:00:09.000 They have their own rules about how to elect their candidate, which is very strange.

02:00:13.000 You think for a national election that you have a private company deciding who your candidate is going to be.

02:00:16.000 But what they have these super delegates, the Democrats, there's 700 of them.

02:00:19.000 I don't know if this works at the state level.

02:00:21.000 This is the federal system.

02:00:22.000 And those seven, so basically you vote as a Democrat and then you get these electors, these 4,000 electors go and they're supposed to vote for who you voted for.

02:00:30.000 But then there's 700 of these electors that are just like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton.

02:00:34.000 They're pre appointed.

02:00:35.000 They get a say before the other 4,000 people.

02:00:39.000 So, no, it's not about the masses.

02:00:41.000 It's not about the popular vote.

02:00:42.000 It's about who the delegates decide they want as their candidate.

02:00:46.000 And it's the same in the Republican Party, except instead of 4,000 people, there's 170 of them that get to decide.

02:00:52.000 If someone drops out mid campaign, they just get to install somebody.

02:00:55.000 That's the rules on the books right now, as far as I know nationally.

02:00:58.000 And again, I don't know about the state, but if you don't like it, change it.

02:01:03.000 Let's see. 0.99

02:01:04.000 Hanson Pack said Candace figured she would speedrun being Alex Jones. 1.00

02:01:09.000 She is winning.

02:01:11.000 I mean,.

02:01:12.000 I guess.

02:01:13.000 So, hey, look, smash the like button, share the show with all your friends.

02:01:16.000 Like I said, head on over to timcast.com and join the Discord.

02:01:20.000 Head on over to rumble.com so you can join us in the after show, which is starting in just a moment.

02:01:27.000 Lauren, where can people find you?

02:01:28.000 Yeah, you can find me on X at underscore Lauren.

02:01:32.000 Wait, what is my username?

02:01:33.000 At Lauren underscore Southern.

02:01:35.000 That's it.

02:01:35.000 And then on Instagram at Lauren Cherie with two I's and Substack Lauren Southern.

02:01:42.000 And check out my book, This Is Not Real Life on Amazon.

02:01:45.000 Thanks for watching.

02:01:47.000 Lisa, do you want to talk it out or should I?

02:01:49.000 It's going to be Carter.

02:01:49.000 You can do it.

02:01:50.000 It's probably Carter Banks will talk last time.

02:01:52.000 Yeah, you.

02:01:54.000 Lisa, yeah.

02:01:56.000 Where I don't tweet at Lisa Elizabeth and I'm here and that's it.

02:02:00.000 Just keeping it casual.

02:02:02.000 We're in a high stress, high paced environment.

02:02:05.000 Business, politics, all the way down.

02:02:08.000 It's also like 111 degrees outside.

02:02:10.000 It's 111, bro.

02:02:11.000 But I'm all about honesty, radical transparency, and openness.

02:02:11.000 It's riled up.

02:02:14.000 I want to bring it to the political realm.

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02:02:31.000 It's going to be cool.

02:02:32.000 Lisa Reynolds.

02:02:33.000 She already did it.

02:02:34.000 Carter Banks.

02:02:36.000 Carter Banks here.

02:02:38.000 Wow, that was a wild conversation.

02:02:39.000 I can't wait to get into the rest of it in the after show.

02:02:42.000 Oh, God.

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02:02:53.000 And yeah, let's get into it.

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02:03:00.000 Don't forget the left lane is for crime, and we will see you all in the after show starting right now. 0.99

02:09:46.000 It all went to shit. 0.99

02:09:47.000 Is it after Better Discourse? 1.00

02:09:49.000 Yeah.

02:09:50.000 Aha.

02:09:50.000 I can see the chemistry.

02:09:52.000 He tried to date for a few months at the end of last year and it went terribly.

02:09:56.000 Distance?

02:09:56.000 Was there a lot of distance involved?

02:09:58.000 It was just like, I don't think he can do monogamy.

02:10:00.000 Can you open that?

02:10:03.000 And his court case stuff is making him do it.

02:10:05.000 Tim wants you to come out afterwards.

02:10:07.000 He tried.

02:10:09.000 Tim wants you to come out afterwards.

02:10:10.000 Meet up with him.

02:10:11.000 You want to do it?

02:10:12.000 Yeah.

02:10:12.000 Like tonight?

02:10:13.000 Okay.

02:10:13.000 Yeah, I can do that.

02:10:14.000 Where are you guys going?

02:10:15.000 I don't know.

02:10:16.000 Poker.

02:10:18.000 Ryan Shapiro will be at a casino where there's Ryan Shapiro.

02:10:20.000 So, what are we going to talk about here?

02:10:22.000 What do we got?

02:10:22.000 Ryan Shapiro's in town.

02:10:24.000 Well, I can't play the Flat Earth video because it just won't play on X.

02:10:27.000 We could talk about Tommy Robinson.

02:10:29.000 No.

02:10:29.000 I had no idea any of this was going on.

02:10:31.000 We should probably, like, it's such hyper specific drama.

02:10:35.000 We have to be, like, in UK internal politics.

02:10:38.000 Let's go to callers.

02:10:39.000 We were just talking about it at the bathroom, too.

02:10:41.000 Are we live?

02:10:42.000 Okay, okay.

02:10:42.000 Yes.

02:10:43.000 Are we live now?

02:10:44.000 Can I ask you?

02:10:44.000 Yeah, we're actually live.

02:10:45.000 We can't hear you, Carter, because.

02:10:46.000 We're not live now.

02:10:47.000 Yes, indeed.

02:10:48.000 We're not live now.

02:10:49.000 We are live.

02:10:50.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:10:52.000 Would you say, Carter, are we live?

02:10:54.000 I said, yes, we are live.

02:10:55.000 Okay, let's just go to callers.

02:10:57.000 Ladies, we are live now. 0.99

02:10:59.000 So be advised.

02:11:00.000 You know, I got to turn myself up. 0.99

02:11:03.000 He's a terrible human being. 0.98

02:11:05.000 All right, so. 1.00

02:11:06.000 Shit, there's drama on the. 1.00

02:11:07.000 We're just going to go right to callers. 1.00

02:11:08.000 We are going to go to callers. 1.00

02:11:10.000 Because fucking Christ, that's why. 0.99

02:11:12.000 So, um. 1.00

02:11:13.000 All right, let's do the first guy.

02:11:14.000 Automation guy.

02:11:15.000 Shapiro wants us to meet up later.

02:11:17.000 I know we're live.

02:11:17.000 I'm not going to say who's with Shapiro.

02:11:19.000 Yeah, we're live.

02:11:20.000 Yeah, we're live.

02:11:20.000 Shapiro.

02:11:21.000 Let's see.

02:11:21.000 We're live.

02:11:22.000 We're going to.

02:11:24.000 Autonomous Duck, what's up, man?

02:11:29.000 Hey, nothing much.

02:11:30.000 What's up, dude?

02:11:31.000 Yeah, we have call ins from the Discord, so these are vetted people that will say crazy things.

02:11:39.000 Nah, what's going on, man? 0.99

02:11:41.000 So, what's the actual value of women being involved in the voting process? 1.00

02:11:47.000 Being that since involving them in the process, the social and economic fabric of the country has collapsed to the point that everything is kind of seen as faking gay. 0.73

02:11:58.000 Because it kind of is speaking gay. 0.86

02:12:01.000 So, look, I mean, I've said my piece about, you know, who should be voting multiple times. 0.88

02:12:08.000 I don't think that it's enough to bar women from voting.

02:12:11.000 I think that there should be a very select few group of people that are voting for federal election.

02:12:17.000 It shouldn't be, and I don't think it should be based on gender.

02:12:20.000 But I think that if you're dealing with state and local elections, then you can have universal enfranchisement.

02:12:25.000 That's fine.

02:12:26.000 But when it comes to voting for the federal government here in the U.S., I think that there should be.

02:12:30.000 Can I jump in on this?

02:12:31.000 Let me, well, yeah, I'll let you.

02:12:32.000 Finished.

02:12:33.000 Go ahead. 1.00

02:12:34.000 It's not about women. 1.00

02:12:35.000 It's about women. 1.00

02:12:35.000 People died from government control in history. 1.00

02:12:38.000 When women were in charge? 1.00

02:12:39.000 When women weren't voting. 1.00

02:12:41.000 Like mass communism across China, across Russia. 0.67

02:12:44.000 Like there's been so many movements that have killed millions and millions of people that women did not have control over. 0.59

02:12:51.000 Like it's just the idea that it's also like this idea that I see from the right wing where, oh, we got to remove the female vote because they vote Democrat, which, first of all, you shouldn't remove anyone's vote because they vote Democrat. 0.95

02:13:03.000 That's part of a, you know, constitutional process.

02:13:06.000 But Minorities are more likely to vote Democrat than women. 1.00

02:13:09.000 Like, white women vote like majority right wing. 0.68

02:13:12.000 So, if you actually cared about, oh, we want to remove people's vote because they vote Democrat and they're too emotional, well, then you'd be advocating removing minorities' vote, black people's votes.

02:13:20.000 But they don't do that because the Manosphere grift is anti women and they've actually got a massive black audience, massive minority audience.

02:13:27.000 So, it's like, I don't take these critiques seriously.

02:13:29.000 They're not to be taken seriously.

02:13:31.000 You know, the idea of removing votes from anybody in the United States.

02:13:37.000 Like.

02:13:38.000 The idea of just taking the vote away from anybody is honestly as much as I would love, like I said, I would love to see the pool of people that are voting to be shrunk, you know, probably less than, for federal elections, probably less than a million people, to be honest with you.

02:13:38.000 Well, no, no.

02:13:52.000 I think there should be less voters, for sure.

02:13:55.000 It should be more educated, but it's not by gender or race or this.

02:13:58.000 And it's not realistic to think you're going to take the vote away from anybody.

02:14:01.000 Yeah, it's a Bill Gateside mentality of like, we need less fill in the blank.

02:14:05.000 We need less people.

02:14:06.000 We need less this.

02:14:08.000 That's a different thing.

02:14:09.000 That's a different thing.

02:14:10.000 It's the same as defund the police.

02:14:12.000 It's just not happening. 0.63

02:14:13.000 In reality, you know, we're not getting rid of the police, we're not getting rid of women voting to that point.

02:14:19.000 Like, look, if you get enough of the people that are on the far left into positions of authority, they will do a significant amount of defunding.

02:14:27.000 But you can't, like, you can't get rid of the police, they'll have the shitty results.

02:14:30.000 They want that, even so.

02:14:32.000 People were like, Oh, well, Seattle defunded the police.

02:14:33.000 No, they didn't.

02:14:34.000 They've got an increased budget like every year since people claimed they defunded the police.

02:14:38.000 Did they not happening in reality?

02:14:40.000 It would happen if you had enough people in positions, but you won't because normal people want. 1.00

02:14:45.000 Normal people want women to vote. 1.00

02:14:45.000 The police. 1.00

02:14:46.000 100% agree with you, Tom.

02:14:48.000 This is internet delusion.

02:14:49.000 Normal people's votes are being displaced.

02:14:51.000 But what happened was the women got the universal suffrage, and then the Federal Reserve took over our country right around the same period. 0.82

02:14:58.000 That's what I would try to hit on. 0.74

02:14:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:00.000 So you see the degradation of our system, but it's not because of the women. 1.00

02:15:03.000 It's because the banks took over in 1913. 1.00

02:15:05.000 I know it's true. 0.99

02:15:06.000 I don't think women are voting there, but I'm too exhausted to go into why.

02:15:10.000 It's not because of just because of the Federal Reserve. 0.89

02:15:12.000 It's because too many people are voting that don't have a stake in the society.

02:15:15.000 Well, that might be true too. 1.00

02:15:17.000 I just don't blame, I don't think it's women. 1.00

02:15:18.000 I like too many uninformed people.

02:15:21.000 I was, I thought, I mean, I've said over and over, it's not, I agree, it's not about women.

02:15:25.000 It's about too many people overall voting.

02:15:28.000 People that don't understand civics, that don't understand how our government works, people that vote, people that are saying, oh, and I said this last night, it's a problem that Montana has two senators and California has two senators.

02:15:39.000 Look at how many more people are in California. 1.00

02:15:41.000 It's like, that's not how it's fucking supposed to work, you moron. 1.00

02:15:44.000 You don't even know how our system's supposed to work. 1.00

02:15:46.000 So you're not in a position to be voting, in my opinion.

02:15:49.000 I, I agree.

02:15:50.000 The diagnosis of the problem is too many uninformed people are voting.

02:15:55.000 But how do you solve that problem?

02:15:56.000 Like I said, we're not going to take the vote from anybody.

02:15:59.000 Like, there's not really anything that we can do because we're not going to take the voting rights from anybody.

02:16:03.000 You're never going to get people that will say, okay.

02:16:05.000 Taking them voting away is not one of the answers.

02:16:08.000 But, like, what is an answer then to too many?

02:16:11.000 Educate the population, obviously.

02:16:13.000 But, like, you know, that's not the answer.

02:16:14.000 Clearly not because, no, there's people that are educated that still vote for things that are unconstitutional, things that the federal government shouldn't be doing.

02:16:21.000 Sorry to cut you off, caller.

02:16:23.000 No, that's good.

02:16:23.000 Go ahead.

02:16:25.000 This is, I guess, more specifically for Lauren, but what do you think about restricting voting from women that aren't married? 0.97

02:16:35.000 Why wouldn't you restrict voting from men who aren't married as well?

02:16:41.000 Well, because most of the male vote is, I don't know about most, depends on where you are, like, organization.

02:16:50.000 But to be honest with you, like you said, it's not really right to take away votes from people because they vote Democrat, but.

02:16:59.000 I don't really think that's wrong at this point, being that they're just wrong.

02:17:03.000 Well, then you just don't believe in democracy.

02:17:05.000 Like, that's okay to not, but then, like, don't take away votes.

02:17:08.000 Just say you believe in fascism or, like, communism.

02:17:11.000 Okay, then that's fine.

02:17:12.000 But don't, like, why are we talking about votes if you want to take away all the votes of people who don't agree with you?

02:17:17.000 Like, you don't believe in democracy.

02:17:19.000 And that's okay.

02:17:20.000 Just admit it.

02:17:22.000 But that's what every fascistic government says.

02:17:24.000 They're like, okay, all the people that are

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