Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Sunday Uncensored: Curt Mills Members Only Podcast

00:00:04.000 So we have a new conspiracy.

00:00:05.000 This one's great.

00:00:07.000 Uh, the first thing I want to do is I want to show you the, uh, we have this, um... Check this out.

00:00:11.000 This is secret footage captured of Boeing engineers saying they would not fly on these planes.

00:00:16.000 The 15 people who were asked those questions were working on the flagship product, the 787 Dreamliner.

00:00:21.000 The people on the assembly line have little faith in the plane they built. 0.98

00:00:25.000 Yo, that's... That's freaky as shit. 0.98

00:00:28.000 So this is Whistleblower Guy. 0.99

00:00:29.000 Check this out.

00:00:30.000 Actually, let's do this.

00:00:31.000 Boeing whistleblower John Barnett's warning over aviation giants flagship 787 Dreamliner and 737 Max weeks before he was found dead as FAA reveals company failed 33 of 89 audits and used Dawn soap for lubricant. 0.99

00:00:46.000 Dude, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

00:00:48.000 It's just total breakdown. 1.00

00:00:50.000 And we were talking, so here's the story.

00:00:52.000 This guy was found dead and people are all tweeting out Arkansas as if to imply, I guess, I don't know, like Boeing had him killed or the Clintons.

00:00:59.000 The Clintons, because they're from Arkansas.

00:01:00.000 Right.

00:01:01.000 But I don't think they're literally saying Hillary Clinton killed a Boeing whistleblower, but they're saying Arkansas as if to imply it's an assassination or whatever.

00:01:09.000 You know what I think is the bigger story here?

00:01:10.000 Look, we're not going to know if this guy was assassinated, but we'll take a look.

00:01:14.000 He was found dead.

00:01:15.000 Did they say, what is it, apparent suicide shot or something like that?

00:01:19.000 To the back of the head.

00:01:20.000 Is that what it was?

00:01:21.000 Multiple to the back of the head. 0.66

00:01:22.000 Classic suicide. 0.88

00:01:23.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:01:23.000 It's found dead for an apparent suicide.

00:01:25.000 They don't say exactly why.

00:01:26.000 I think what we're seeing with Boeing, it's not just the DEI stuff. 0.98

00:01:30.000 People are talking about diversity and all this shit. 0.96

00:01:32.000 It's resulting in like low quality products. 0.98

00:01:34.000 I think it's actually an artifact of Uh, boomers retaining power and refusing to transfer it. 0.97

00:01:41.000 We talked about this a bit on the main show, but I do think that is largely it.

00:01:47.000 That it's circular, but you infantilize a younger generation, you get infants.

00:01:54.000 And then, because they're infantilized and acting like infants, you continue to treat the rest of them like infants, perpetuating the cycle of only we can be in charge.

00:02:04.000 Yeah, it's a lot of inspirations.

00:02:06.000 I do feel like I really want to see the Don Boeing commercial we're about to get.

00:02:10.000 You know how Don puts out the commercials where they're like, and we use our products to take oil off of animals.

00:02:15.000 See, we're great.

00:02:16.000 They're going to be like, and now we power your airplanes.

00:02:18.000 Isn't that good?

00:02:20.000 But I think Tim's totally right.

00:02:23.000 You know, the crime of low expectations for millennials, it seems twofold, right?

00:02:27.000 Boomers don't want to give up power, but also they tell, they say, well, look at you guys. 1.00

00:02:30.000 You don't have your lives together.

00:02:32.000 You can't, you don't have any, you don't own homes.

00:02:34.000 You don't have any savings.

00:02:35.000 And you want to say, but who, who put, put us in this position?

00:02:38.000 Why are millennials in this trap where they are not allowed to assume power, but also all, all of the resources that are needed to sort of get the app to step towards leadership in this country are withheld from them.

00:02:50.000 It's kind of part of, like, the pandemic, too, and everyone just stopping doing their jobs correctly.

00:02:53.000 I think it was pre-pandemic.

00:02:55.000 Well, kind of both, but I mean, I'm not saying only, but I'm saying a lot of people have just kind of, like, checked out, you know, and a lot of positions in, like, if you go to a restaurant, the rest of the waiters that are just kind of like, eh, like, whatever, I could care less.

00:03:06.000 I don't know if that's the exact reason for this.

00:03:07.000 Imagine if they're all building the airplanes over Zoom.

00:03:10.000 They're not even in the room, they're just like, who cares?

00:03:12.000 Tell the robot to put the dawn over there.

00:03:15.000 No, but I think part of it is, it's, I think that apathy was high during the pandemic, but I think there was a disengagement from typical societal functions before that.

00:03:24.000 But it makes, to me, we were talking about the boomers before, I think a lot about the boomer feminists during this who told women, you know, put off having kids.

00:03:32.000 You know, wait.

00:03:33.000 You don't want them.

00:03:34.000 They're a burden.

00:03:35.000 In fact, you probably don't want to get married.

00:03:36.000 You'll never meet.

00:03:37.000 Like, there's a level of cynicism and selfishness that was sown by an older generation who maybe they had good intentions with, like, women's lib or whatever.

00:03:46.000 But...

00:03:48.000 They ultimately created a group of people who were saying, I don't want to participate in a society that works on collaborative growth, a.k.a.

00:03:56.000 having families, joining your school board, you know, participating in whatever, in volunteer organizations or churches, whatever you are interested in.

00:04:04.000 Instead, it said, well, you should focus on the self entirely, and in fact, you should expect others to accommodate the self at all times.

00:04:10.000 It's a very self-involved generation.

00:04:12.000 You know, there was this guy called Dan Patrick, who's the Lieutenant Governor of Texas, and he appeared on Carlson's program in May of 2020, and he put forward the idea that basically his generation should just Take the hit.

00:04:28.000 You know, I mean, we should end the lockdown.

00:04:30.000 Um, and, you know, we, we, this is essentially for our benefit.

00:04:34.000 And he was, he was, he was viewed as a, as a, as a crank. 0.58

00:04:38.000 Tyrant. 0.99

00:04:39.000 As a murderer. 0.85

00:04:40.000 Yeah.

00:04:40.000 I mean, remember, a human sacrifice.

00:04:43.000 Right.

00:04:43.000 Practicer.

00:04:44.000 Right.

00:04:44.000 I mean, that, that was the terminology at the time.

00:04:46.000 I know it's all a bad dream and we don't really want to talk about it, right?

00:04:49.000 But, I mean, that, that was... He was right.

00:04:52.000 That is the mindset.

00:04:53.000 And I think we, We are underrating that we're not even close, in my view, to being on the other side of the hill on this.

00:05:01.000 Like, I mean, the aging of the country's over-60 class is going to be very slow and very long. 1.00

00:05:08.000 And like you said, you were 38, you were 40.

00:05:11.000 This is going to be happening well into your 50s.

00:05:13.000 So, well, the question is, I mean, here we are, this company is a millennial and younger company.

00:05:20.000 In fact, how many Gen Xers do we actually have at Timcast?

00:05:25.000 One?

00:05:25.000 Is Ian Genex?

00:05:26.000 Yeah.

00:05:27.000 Maybe... Lisa? 1.00

00:05:29.000 Phil.

00:05:30.000 Phil.

00:05:31.000 Kim.

00:05:31.000 But Phil doesn't work here.

00:05:33.000 Yeah.

00:05:34.000 He just, you know, it's funny because people, like, try to roast him saying that, like, he works for me and, like, Phil literally shows up whenever he feels like it.

00:05:40.000 I don't even know when he's here or is not.

00:05:43.000 We're glad to have him.

00:05:44.000 I told him to just come by when he can and we have, he just, he schedules it with the team or whatever.

00:05:48.000 But we're a fairly millennial company, not to get off track. 0.99

00:05:51.000 What's stopping other millennials from just taking, just doing shit? 0.99

00:05:57.000 The metaverse, Xanax. 1.00

00:05:59.000 That thing right there? 0.76

00:06:01.000 They have a new skateboarding video game for that.

00:06:06.000 It's a complex subject, which is not a very interesting answer.

00:06:09.000 And the reality is there are a lot of great baby boomers.

00:06:14.000 But it's just, it's hard to make an argument that, and I think generational warfare turns a lot of people off, the language of it, and understandably so.

00:06:22.000 But I just, if you don't think this country has gotten worse in the last 40 or 50 years, like, I'm just not really sure that we're seeing the same reality.

00:06:30.000 And you're right about- Real quick, just to clarify people who are asking, Phil- Phil is not an employee of TeamCast, I'll put it that way.

00:06:39.000 Phil is a consultant and recurring guest host, and we have an arrangement with him that is- It's not an employment arrangement, it's a contract arrangement.

00:06:47.000 What you're saying about the older class thing in power is going to be even crazier thinking about when I went home for Thanksgiving in New York, talking to a lot of friends who are still teachers.

00:06:56.000 I was a professor for a while and I'm talking to professors and middle school and elementary school teacher teachers.

00:07:02.000 They're like, all of our kids are four, four years behind.

00:07:05.000 Like they're, they're supposed to be freshmen in college.

00:07:08.000 They're like a freshman or a sophomore in high school.

00:07:10.000 Just cause like the education was totally halted and zoom did nothing.

00:07:15.000 Maybe made things worse.

00:07:16.000 So.

00:07:17.000 And school wasn't so great before COVID.

00:07:19.000 School was already bad.

00:07:19.000 Yeah, now it just got way worse.

00:07:21.000 But now, like, you know, that delay in their development, plus what you're talking about with the older people staying in power, it's gonna rip society apart. 1.00

00:07:30.000 You know, I've probably told this story a couple times on the show, but I remember when I was 20.

00:07:35.000 No, I was probably 17 or 18.

00:07:38.000 And I had a friend who was in college.

00:07:39.000 I did not go to college.

00:07:40.000 I briefly took like two college credits or whatever.

00:07:43.000 And the idea was I dropped out of high school, but in order to get a job, you need a high school diploma, but I'm smarter than these people.

00:07:49.000 So I took a couple of college credits.

00:07:52.000 I think I did yoga, theater acting, and criminal justice.

00:07:57.000 Nice.

00:07:57.000 Yeah.

00:07:57.000 And then I dropped the yoga because I was like, this is a waste of my time.

00:08:01.000 But then on every application after that, I would put some college.

00:08:04.000 And the assumption is if you have some college, you've got a high school diploma.

00:08:07.000 My friends who applied for jobs, they would say... You do not need a high school degree to... To go to community college, you do not need a high school degree.

00:08:17.000 Anybody can walk in.

00:08:18.000 Anybody who's 18 and older can walk into a community college and pay.

00:08:21.000 That's nationwide.

00:08:22.000 I'm assuming, you know?

00:08:24.000 And then after two years you can get an associates and transfer to a university,

00:08:27.000 you don't need a high school diploma, that's a myth.

00:08:29.000 So- Why do people get GEDs then? 1.00

00:08:31.000 Because they're really fucking stupid. 1.00

00:08:34.000 I gotta be, I don't know. 1.00

00:08:36.000 I'm not trying to insult people who have GEDs, but like, look man, if someone came to me for a job

00:08:43.000 and they were like, I don't have a high school diploma, but I got a GED,

00:08:46.000 and I'm like, that's not confidence building. 1.00

00:08:48.000 You'd have been better off being like, I don't need that shit. 0.99

00:08:50.000 I'm the best. 1.00

00:08:51.000 Watch this.

00:08:52.000 And then they do a bit.

00:08:52.000 I gotta be honest.

00:08:53.000 If I was like, I'm trying to hire somebody who knows how to do graphic design.

00:08:57.000 And they came to me and said, I didn't go to school for it.

00:08:59.000 I didn't even go to high school.

00:09:00.000 I'd be like, well, that means nothing to me.

00:09:02.000 And then if they did a standing backflip, I'd be like, okay, now we're talking. 0.92

00:09:05.000 Like, I don't even know what the fuck's going on, but that was impressive. 0.93

00:09:07.000 But telling me that you got a GED means very little. 0.98

00:09:10.000 And I think it's because people think you need it.

00:09:12.000 So, I went and it took me like, I don't know, a month to get a credit? 0.99

00:09:16.000 And now I- fuck that! 0.99

00:09:18.000 You can walk in the door and walk out the door and now you have some college. 1.00

00:09:21.000 And you actually have the paperwork and the receipt for the college you went to.

00:09:25.000 So, what was I even talking about?

00:09:26.000 Oh, anyway.

00:09:27.000 So, I was talking to a friend who was going to college.

00:09:31.000 She was telling me, like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life.

00:09:34.000 And I said, what were you doing when you were 13?

00:09:37.000 And she was like, nothing.

00:09:38.000 Riding my bike, hanging out with my friends.

00:09:40.000 And I was like, you wanna open a bar?

00:09:41.000 And she went, oh my god. 0.98

00:09:44.000 That would be so awesome.

00:09:45.000 And I'm like, yeah.

00:09:47.000 You wanna do what you were doing when you were 13?

00:09:50.000 I'm doing basically what I was doing when I was 13.

00:09:51.000 Going on the internet, reading news, and just like, I used to go on FARC.com all the time.

00:09:55.000 I don't know if that was around when I was 13, but all I would do is read FARC. 0.98

00:09:59.000 Like, fuck, does FARC still exist? 0.99

00:10:01.000 It's gotta exist, right? 1.00

00:10:04.000 Well, I have to go read for the week, because I read that cover to cover when I was 13 every week.

00:10:08.000 And it looks the exact same as it always has looked.

00:10:13.000 This is what it is.

00:10:15.000 I would just go on FARC, and I would just read this. 0.99

00:10:18.000 Like, this is the shit that I would read when I was, like, a teenager. 0.99

00:10:20.000 It's like the first, like, news- Norway became the number- and I'm just reading all this shit and it shows you all the sources. 0.99

00:10:25.000 Still- I should still use it.

00:10:26.000 It seems like a good website.

00:10:27.000 I wonder who's running this.

00:10:28.000 Yeah, me too.

00:10:28.000 Probably the same dudes.

00:10:29.000 I don't know why I stopped using it.

00:10:30.000 And newgrounds.com.

00:10:32.000 And so- Does that exist?

00:10:34.000 Newgrounds?

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, of course!

00:10:35.000 Definitely.

00:10:35.000 Newgrounds is definitely still around.

00:10:37.000 I think they've actually- Oh, what is this?

00:10:38.000 A community- Yeah, com- Wait, what?

00:10:41.000 A humor or satire website?

00:10:42.000 It's not a news source?

00:10:43.000 What are you- Oh, because they make jokes about the stories.

00:10:45.000 Well, and they say it's not news.

00:10:47.000 It's spark.

00:10:48.000 Wait, what am I typing?

00:10:49.000 Newgrounds.

00:10:50.000 I was typing in Newsguard.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, Newgrounds has been around forever.

00:10:56.000 There you go.

00:10:56.000 Oh man, I haven't thought about this for forever.

00:10:57.000 Animation committee.

00:10:59.000 This is bizarre.

00:10:59.000 I would tell all my friends, I'm like, look man, why is it that all of the pro baseball players are playing baseball since they were four years old?

00:11:06.000 Why is it that all the pro football players are playing football since they were four years old?

00:11:09.000 You do what you've been doing.

00:11:12.000 You are built around, your neurons fire around this stuff.

00:11:15.000 And so, for me, I was designing websites, I was playing video games, I was playing guitar, I was skateboarding.

00:11:19.000 I'm literally doing exactly what I did when I was 13.

00:11:22.000 And so the problem we have with this generation, all of our 13 year olds go riding their bikes and nothing else.

00:11:29.000 Like, I mean figuratively riding their bikes.

00:11:31.000 What does the average 10 to 13 year old do in this country?

00:11:35.000 And it's worse than that.

00:11:36.000 The most important years of human beings life are 0 through 5.

00:11:40.000 You have all of these neurons in your brain and they're starting to get wired.

00:11:43.000 And I watched this thing recently where they said you actually have more when you're born, but they break apart.

00:11:48.000 The ones that become useless stop getting used and the ones you build up.

00:11:52.000 So the more you do from zero to five, the more pathways and the more powerful your brain becomes.

00:11:57.000 So for me, my mom was homeschooling me well before five years old.

00:12:01.000 I knew multiplication and division.

00:12:03.000 I was learning basic instruments, learning like the basics of music, Playing chess when I was three, not that I was actually playing chess, but like learning how to move pieces and generally understanding the game.

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00:13:17.000 What do we do in this country?

00:13:18.000 Literally nothing till five years old.

00:13:20.000 Literally not.

00:13:21.000 Maybe preschool.

00:13:22.000 And now they're saying, like, kids are gonna read by the time they're in third grade.

00:13:25.000 What was that we saw in the State of the Union?

00:13:27.000 It was wild.

00:13:27.000 That was Biden saying, we need to make sure they can read by third grade.

00:13:30.000 Which is late.

00:13:31.000 It's late.

00:13:32.000 I mean, first grade is average, right?

00:13:33.000 That's what we looked up.

00:13:34.000 Yeah, six years old is about average to start reading.

00:13:36.000 And I remember my eighth grade teacher said I had a college level of vocabulary when I was in eighth grade.

00:13:41.000 She was like, Yeah.

00:13:44.000 And I forgot what happened, but, you know, one day she said that to me, because my mom would give us vocabulary tests, and she would homeschool us all the time.

00:13:53.000 That gives me an advantage.

00:13:54.000 So, here I am with a higher, like a 10-year head start on the average American.

00:14:00.000 Perhaps that's why, you know, here I am running this company, and why most millennials are doing nothing.

00:14:09.000 Yeah.

00:14:10.000 I think early like I mean this is something doesn't Jordan Peterson talk about this that you only really get the zero through four years once and they're extremely fundamental and so it is worth sacrificing to be present with your children at that time and I think I mean this is something that came up in the State of Union too.

00:14:25.000 Biden cited that study that says children who are read to at home and they get books and things like that they go they enter school with a million more words than the average kindergartner.

00:14:33.000 Well Yeah.

00:14:35.000 Why don't we encourage parents to be home from work in time to read their kids a bedtime story, right?

00:14:42.000 Like there are simple cultural solutions for this that we gave up in pursuit of other things.

00:14:46.000 Our son seems like an extraterrestrial sometimes when he's around other kids because he's been reading a lot from a very young age.

00:14:52.000 How old is your son?

00:14:53.000 He's seven, gonna be eight.

00:14:54.000 And at like four, you know, he's already thinking like about like just making very complete weird sentences about and

00:15:01.000 are having observations or making metaphors and similarly. Do the children that your son goes

00:15:06.000 to school with or hang out with, they seem very different than? In New York they did.

00:15:11.000 In New York, it was different.

00:15:12.000 What were their characteristics?

00:15:13.000 The vocabulary wasn't like that, and they probably weren't being read to at least three books a night, like our son was.

00:15:19.000 Time to get him a skateboard!

00:15:20.000 They were probably on their, uh, yeah.

00:15:21.000 Come on, Uncle Tim!

00:15:23.000 Other parents were probably giving them, and our son has a screen every now and then, but other, I saw a lot of parents, the screen became a parent.

00:15:31.000 That's what the default became.

00:15:32.000 You think that's the default?

00:15:33.000 Uh, yeah, for a lot of people.

00:15:34.000 So, this was a huge scandal on YouTube.

00:15:36.000 You're familiar, are you familiar with Elsagate?

00:15:38.000 No.

00:15:39.000 So, they, parents would put, uh, I always love pulling this video up.

00:15:45.000 Let me pull this video up.

00:15:46.000 It's wild.

00:15:47.000 I saw it myself, you know, when I was picking up my son once from my mom.

00:15:51.000 It was showing these videos and it was one of these disturbing things.

00:15:54.000 one hour So here's the hulk and hitler doing tights 1.00

00:16:05.000 This is probably like an MKUltra video.

00:16:06.000 You probably shouldn't even look at it.

00:16:09.000 They got rid of, uh, they got rid of the finger family stuff.

00:16:11.000 Yeah.

00:16:11.000 Here we go.

00:16:13.000 Ugh.

00:16:14.000 I feel it in my brain.

00:16:16.000 Wait, wait, no, no, no.

00:16:16.000 Listen, listen, listen, listen.

00:16:17.000 Be careful.

00:16:18.000 No, no, stop, stop, stop.

00:16:19.000 Listen, listen, listen.

00:16:20.000 Listen!

00:16:20.000 Listen, listen.

00:16:21.000 Here I am, here I am, how do you do?

00:16:24.000 I'll play it again.

00:16:30.000 Here I am, here I am, how do you do?

00:16:34.000 Oh Sit the finger, sit the finger, where are you?

00:16:38.000 Here I am, here I am, how do you do?

00:16:43.000 This person clearly doesn't speak English.

00:16:45.000 Yeah.

00:16:46.000 They're singing a song called Finger Family because the algorithm was feeding these videos to hundreds of millions of views.

00:16:52.000 These people were making shitloads of money because parents would put the iPad in front of the baby and press play on a real Finger Family song.

00:17:00.000 Let me pull it.

00:17:02.000 Here you go, Cocomelon.

00:17:02.000 I don't even have this.

00:17:03.000 So the algorithm—look, this has got 557 million views.

00:17:23.000 When people in India found out the algorithm was feeding this, they made those ridiculous videos with Hitler and like there's one where- Is this India driven? 0.78

00:17:32.000 That one particular video seemed to be from India or perhaps Indonesia or something like that.

00:17:35.000 I don't know.

00:17:36.000 But there were a ton of different ones where they were It's like Hitler with a bikini. 0.75

00:17:42.000 Hitler with a woman's body, doing tai chi with a blue hulk or something. 0.90

00:17:45.000 The giant needle one? 0.98

00:17:47.000 Yeah, sticking needles in children, and children drinking urine out of urinals.

00:17:52.000 Because the parents put the iPad in front of the baby and press play, and the algorithm would just autoplay, whatever, and the babies are just staring at it. 0.99

00:17:59.000 We are going to have one fucked up post-alpha generation. 0.50

00:18:02.000 Whatever comes after Generation Alpha is going to be a bunch of- What is that going to be called, do we know? 0.92

00:18:06.000 I don't know. 0.96

00:18:07.000 But they will be retarded, and they will be degenerate. 1.00

00:18:09.000 It kind of might connect to what we were talking about last night, when we were talking about the art that was made after the atom bomb.

00:18:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:18:15.000 Like, what the fuck are these kids going to make? 0.99

00:18:17.000 Their brains are going to be fried. 1.00

00:18:18.000 They might not even make anything, honestly.

00:18:19.000 Look, Bugs, Bunny, and Looney Tunes are why we have furries.

00:18:22.000 It's not even a debate.

00:18:26.000 You know what a furry is?

00:18:30.000 People think furries are people who dress up like animals.

00:18:32.000 Wrong.

00:18:33.000 Furries are people who have cartoon animal personalities that they want to be.

00:18:41.000 And this only can emerge because of the likes of Looney Tunes.

00:18:45.000 Bugs Bunny.

00:18:47.000 Look at the fur suits that people wear.

00:18:49.000 They look like cartoon characters.

00:18:51.000 They don't look like animals.

00:18:52.000 Now certainly there's that guy who made a costume to be a dog.

00:18:55.000 Have you seen this guy?

00:18:57.000 Where it's an actual dog suit.

00:19:00.000 And he looks like a dog, but it's kind of obviously a guy.

00:19:03.000 Fur suits look like Bugs Bunny.

00:19:05.000 Yeah.

00:19:05.000 And variations of that.

00:19:06.000 It's clearly a psychological identification because of cartoon animals they watched when they were kids and attached to for some reason.

00:19:13.000 What do we call animals that want to be people?

00:19:16.000 Fleshies.

00:19:16.000 I don't know.

00:19:17.000 Repressed.

00:19:18.000 And anthropomorphs?

00:19:20.000 Oh, that's right, yeah.

00:19:21.000 It's very, it's all very Greek myth, like Greek mythology.

00:19:23.000 Maybe too, you can not just blame Bugs Bunny, you can blame Zeus for becoming a swan.

00:19:27.000 Do you think this goes on forever?

00:19:28.000 Do you think there's going to be a massive backlash?

00:19:30.000 So, so let me, let me, let me address this comment here.

00:19:33.000 Someone said, furries didn't exist in the 40s and 50s when they aired though.

00:19:36.000 Right.

00:19:37.000 So what happens is, you get Looney Tunes, and it's social emergence, represses anybody, so you have to be born in the 40s and 50s, not the parents, it's not like some guy who's in his 30s watches Looney Tunes and then goes, I must dress like a rabbit!

00:19:51.000 No, he has kids.

00:19:53.000 Those kids watch it, but when those kids grow up, there is no community of people who do this, and so they might have an affinity for it, it's suppressed by society.

00:20:02.000 But as time goes on, especially into the era of the internet, and with the expansion of these shows, there's Animaniacs, there's Tiny Toons, there's fuck-tons of shows with anthropomorphized cartoon animals, You end up with people with an affinity or an identity related to this and they go online and they can text with no one seeing their face and they can build a community around it.

00:20:23.000 Now you start to see the emergence of all of these degenerate subcultures where people normally would be suppressed by the greater society out of fear of, I don't know, starvation.

00:20:34.000 Now they're like, holy shit, there's a ton of people who will allow me to do this thing, and they will all one-up each other.

00:20:41.000 Every time one person engages in it and produces more content, it expands it, creating more and more and more of it. 0.97

00:20:46.000 It's societal emergence.

00:20:48.000 It's only possible thanks to the internet, and arguably the phone, too.

00:20:55.000 When people were able to... You take a look at early Christianity, the idea of the fish symbol.

00:21:01.000 You weren't allowed to be a Christian, you'd be killed. 1.00

00:21:03.000 So they would draw a line in the sand, the other person would draw the other line forming the fish, and you knew you were now among a Christian. 0.89

00:21:09.000 That is like basic and not that bad.

00:21:12.000 It's like a political idea and a religious idea and a faith idea.

00:21:15.000 But when you get to the point where it's like pedophiles putting symbols on doors and stuff, and now what's happening on the internet, pedophiles have secret meetings, they're trying to expand, gain power, and they're trying to normalize their behavior.

00:21:25.000 Human society today, American society, tolerates some forms of this degenerate behavior to a degree until it starts spilling over.

00:21:33.000 Case in point, you end up with like, dude, If you dress up in a fursuit 50, 60 years ago, you'd be attacked.

00:21:41.000 And there likely could be a guy in the crowd who really liked what you were doing, but knew, I'd rather be on this side than that side.

00:21:47.000 Now with the internet, people in these subcultures are forming communities, and they're protecting each other, and now they're forming voting blocks, and they're creating conventions. 0.53

00:21:55.000 The one that's having the hardest time, for good reason, are pedophiles.

00:21:59.000 But clearly they're gaining tons of traction in schools and claiming that it's all about just sex education.

00:22:05.000 But you can see how they're trying to normalize this stuff.

00:22:07.000 Yep.

00:22:08.000 Roger Rabbit was early furry propaganda.

00:22:12.000 What about Space Jam and that Lola Bunny character?

00:22:15.000 Oh, like the original one?

00:22:16.000 Of course!

00:22:16.000 People talk about it all the time.

00:22:17.000 Sexy Lola.

00:22:17.000 Yeah, it being like a jumping off point for all that stuff.

00:22:21.000 A big titty rabbit.

00:22:22.000 Yeah, yeah, literally.

00:22:23.000 Bizarre.

00:22:24.000 Literally, yeah. 0.99

00:22:25.000 Yeah, we're screwed. 0.99

00:22:26.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:22:27.000 The sexy rabbit's gotta go. 1.00

00:22:28.000 Let's go to colors.

00:22:29.000 Let's pull in the colors.

00:22:30.000 Right up.

00:22:30.000 Let's do it.

00:22:32.000 Alright, you're gonna do your headphones with those, yeah.

00:22:33.000 Oh, poor things. 0.99

00:22:34.000 It's a fucking awful movie. 1.00

00:22:36.000 Someone just mentioned it. 1.00

00:22:37.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 Alrighty.

00:22:39.000 Let's see here.

00:22:39.000 Adventure Kyle.

00:22:41.000 How goes the adventure?

00:22:41.000 How are you, man?

00:22:43.000 The adventures continue.

00:22:45.000 Yeah.

00:22:46.000 I had a question for everybody and I wanted to kind of touch back to the Rome episode that you guys did on the culture war.

00:22:56.000 So I know that we rightfully often get mad at the neocon Republicans for doing nothing.

00:23:03.000 However, Is it possible that they are merely adopting the Fabian strategy first used famously against Hannibal when he invaded Italy, whereby you don't directly go against your foe, but you instead kind of try to fight them in small groups, that sort of thing, while kind of evading the main force, instead of interacting head-on, to kind of play devil's advocate for it.

00:23:31.000 The Left desperately needs the Right to overreact to get the Casus Belli, but they need to do a ton of the crazy far-Left stuff, like banning guns, that sort of thing.

00:23:40.000 And so far, we've managed to kind of avoid being provoked in such a way that it kind of, like, gives them that Casus Belli. 0.99

00:23:48.000 So, is this tactical decision-making, or just cowardice and stupidity on the part of the Yukons? 1.00

00:23:56.000 My gut says cowardice. 1.00

00:23:57.000 I don't know about you guys.

00:23:59.000 I, um, I certainly don't think there's a viable path forward that involves violence.

00:24:05.000 Maybe there's a conversation to be had later on in the future when other, like people always ask like, what point, you know, at what point do you grab your guns or whatever?

00:24:13.000 I'm like, I don't know, like the Holocaust. 0.85

00:24:15.000 I'm sure there's like slavery.

00:24:16.000 I, I, I, I'm not an expert on, on that line, but I certainly don't see it right now.

00:24:21.000 If we get to the point where Joe Biden gets an army of, like, black-shirted Antifa guys and gives them government authority and they go around murdering, you know, people or whatever.

00:24:29.000 There's an argument they've had about self-defense or something.

00:24:31.000 But my point is, conservatives don't fight at all.

00:24:34.000 Like, neocons, conservatives are doing nothing to resist.

00:24:38.000 At all.

00:24:39.000 What does he mean by the use of neocons there?

00:24:42.000 Well, do you want to elaborate?

00:24:43.000 Or what do I mean?

00:24:44.000 Yeah, what does he mean?

00:24:45.000 What do you mean, sir, by neocon?

00:24:48.000 I'm talking about kind of the do-nothing Republicans.

00:24:51.000 You know, it seems like they'll take action on some small things here and there, but for the most part they generally just are completely absent from kind of leading the culture war.

00:25:02.000 And you're asking why that's their posture?

00:25:05.000 Yeah, again, playing devil's advocate, it's not actually my belief, but I hear it from my father and stuff like that.

00:25:15.000 If they overreact, then it just gives more permission for people on the far left to So not to personalize it, but the figure of your father here is he's arguing that he's actually sage and savvy because he's more moderate and is unlikely to overreact and thus accordingly Republicans are more likely to win with his strategy versus the sort of young Turk approach of aggression is, while potentially well-meaning, foolhardy and reckless. 0.89

00:25:50.000 I guess to put a finer point on it, his position would be that the left will continually devour

00:25:57.000 and eat themselves, and so long as the right doesn't kind of engage in that same kind of level

00:26:02.000 of violence and, you know, I guess overt action, they'll kind of be, you know, left by default.

00:26:10.000 Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's certainly possible that, and it's happened, that the

00:26:17.000 the right can overreact in a way that's highly counterproductive and lose elections.

00:26:21.000 I do think, and I'm gathering this person is sort of older potentially and not just a boomer, to put too fine of a point on it, I think if you define left-wing as increasing state power in America and moving culture ever more to the left, the ratchet has been naturally in that direction.

00:26:41.000 And it's not like Republicans were super overreacting, again, in this frame, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s.

00:26:49.000 So there's nothing particularly new about this.

00:26:51.000 And, you know, there were left-wing victories galore without an overreaction.

00:27:01.000 You got anything else to add to that, friend?

00:27:04.000 No, I think that pretty much answers it for me.

00:27:07.000 Okay.

00:27:07.000 Cool.

00:27:08.000 Alright, well, cheers, man.

00:27:09.000 Thanks for calling in.

00:27:10.000 I wish you the best in the adventure.

00:27:12.000 Alright, Pokesfan4life, how you doing, Konoski?

00:27:14.000 Where's Sonoski?

00:27:15.000 What up?

00:27:20.000 Checking... 1, 2, 3... Sonoski, you there?

00:27:25.000 I made the biggest mistake of all.

00:27:27.000 What is it?

00:27:32.000 I'm doing well on this somber day, but for Bocas, hail to the gods. 1.00

00:27:38.000 We praise and honor you as we praise and honor the dead.

00:27:41.000 Hail to the brave warrior.

00:27:42.000 The bright shield Bocas was called to his kinsmen and friends.

00:27:47.000 May he live long in the memory of men and sit among his kinsmen in Valhalla.

00:27:53.000 Nice.

00:27:53.000 Where he will do battle for eternity.

00:27:55.000 Yeah.

00:27:57.000 That's the way of it, right?

00:28:00.000 So, really, Tim, got a question for you.

00:28:03.000 I watched the Senate hearing just like you did.

00:28:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:06.000 Why are the GOP not pushing for an impeachment at this point, honestly?

00:28:09.000 Because you're going to lose!

00:28:11.000 Don't give Democrats what they want.

00:28:14.000 Are they really going to get what they want, though?

00:28:17.000 I mean, if we want to operate under the assumption that Joe Biden is the strongest candidate, as Kurt was saying, then sure, impeach him, get rid of him.

00:28:28.000 But I think many Democrats would be like, oh, wait, don't.

00:28:32.000 Like Trump is beating Biden in the polls massively.

00:28:35.000 I got, we got Gen Z siding with Donald Trump.

00:28:38.000 Why?

00:28:39.000 Don't, don't, don't fix what ain't broke.

00:28:41.000 Johnson doesn't have the votes.

00:28:43.000 Speaker Johnson doesn't have the votes for an impeachment.

00:28:46.000 He has to have, I mean, he, he has a, as of today.

00:28:48.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:28:48.000 But I mean, like, why is there no stronger effort after this to, to go after Joe Biden?

00:28:53.000 I don't, I think the Republicans are basically like, we don't want to because Trump's going to beat him.

00:28:58.000 And do you want a Kamala presidency?

00:29:00.000 I mean, if we impeach Biden, what happens after that?

00:29:03.000 I don't I don't know that.

00:29:04.000 Right.

00:29:04.000 Impeaching Biden doesn't even do anything.

00:29:06.000 I mean, I suppose they could impeach him for the PR.

00:29:09.000 He won't get convicted.

00:29:10.000 And then they can say he's been impeached.

00:29:12.000 Yeah.

00:29:12.000 But but perhaps closer to your point, they don't want Democrats to appear to be victimized.

00:29:18.000 Right.

00:29:19.000 I still don't think they have those vote- I mean, those house seats they won in, like, Southern California and in New York State, I'm not sure those people would vote.

00:29:28.000 I mean, I don't want to entertain the argument, the merits of the case aside, that it actually would- I'll side more with the caller here, actually.

00:29:35.000 I think it actually does make sense, politically, just if you were being totally immoral about it, to impeach him.

00:29:42.000 Because there's conventional wisdom that if you don't impeach the president and he's not convicted, or you do impeach him and he's not convicted, that it actually hurts the impeaching party.

00:29:51.000 It's actually not true.

00:29:52.000 I mean, the Republicans impeached Clinton in 1998, the White House changed hands.

00:29:55.000 The Democrats impeached Trump, the White House changed hands.

00:29:58.000 So I actually think there is a real politic here to just impeach him.

00:30:03.000 The reality, though, is that the House margins are so slim for Speaker Johnson.

00:30:11.000 He doesn't know what to do.

00:30:13.000 I mean, I think it's very clear that he's just... It's like my speech right now.

00:30:18.000 He can't get it out.

00:30:20.000 These statements that he has are just increasingly baroque.

00:30:24.000 He's like the... If you remember this sort of an old school reference, the Dana Carvey character who played George H.W.

00:30:31.000 Bush on SNL.

00:30:32.000 And it's like George H.W.

00:30:34.000 Bush announcing that he was going to raise taxes.

00:30:37.000 It's just like, I'm going to raise That's like Johnson on the Ukraine bill, impeachment, he's just trying to survive.

00:30:47.000 McCarthy, to his credit, represented a faction and he went.

00:30:51.000 He's trying to be all things to all people and it's working so now.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 Anything else to add?

00:30:59.000 Oh, pardon me.

00:30:59.000 Me to myself.

00:31:00.000 Search and fire.

00:31:01.000 That'll make sense.

00:31:02.000 Thank you.

00:31:04.000 Right on.

00:31:05.000 Well, thanks for calling in, sir.

00:31:07.000 Cheers, man.

00:31:08.000 Thank you for having me.

00:31:09.000 Maybe I'll start deporting Serge instead.

00:31:12.000 You're the immigrant. 0.97

00:31:12.000 Back to California with you. 0.97

00:31:13.000 You gotta watch it.

00:31:14.000 You're an immigrant too.

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:16.000 All right.

00:31:16.000 I can't read your name.

00:31:17.000 So, Sir Turbo, how you doing?

00:31:20.000 Welcome to WV again, by the way.

00:31:25.000 Yes, coming to you live from Bridgeport, West Virginia.

00:31:28.000 How's everybody doing tonight?

00:31:30.000 Great.

00:31:31.000 Doing well.

00:31:31.000 Well.

00:31:32.000 Nice day out, eh?

00:31:34.000 Yes it is.

00:31:35.000 I am not wearing a jacket and just a few days ago it was snowing.

00:31:39.000 What kind of weather do we have in here?

00:31:40.000 That's right.

00:31:42.000 Fake clouds make fake snow.

00:31:45.000 Very much so.

00:31:46.000 Anyway, what's up man?

00:31:47.000 How you doing?

00:31:48.000 Off the weather and on to my question.

00:31:50.000 So, this is a question just in general for everybody.

00:31:53.000 I super chatted about it last night.

00:31:57.000 So, I'm Dominican, right?

00:32:00.000 I'm pretty close to this whole Haiti problem. 1.00

00:32:02.000 You know, we share a border.

00:32:04.000 And my question is basically with the whole situation and the fact that my home country is working its hardest to get rid of it.

00:32:11.000 You know, like I said, they ended birthright citizenship.

00:32:13.000 I think it was 2015, 2016.

00:32:15.000 So around the time Trump took over.

00:32:18.000 And then this year or this past year, they started building a border wall.

00:32:23.000 And unlike the one Trump got, theirs is actually going to be concrete.

00:32:27.000 Wow.

00:32:27.000 So my question is, yes, so my question is basically, like, what can we do here to try and convince people that, like, do you want to end up like Haiti or do you want to end up like the Dominican Republic?

00:32:39.000 You know, like, one island, two totally different countries.

00:32:43.000 So that's my general question is, how can we convince the left and all these, these crazies that want to end up eating people?

00:32:51.000 Or do you want to end up on a resort island?

00:32:56.000 I don't know.

00:32:58.000 I mean, I feel like we are.

00:32:59.000 The polls are shifting towards Trump.

00:33:01.000 I mean, what more can be said?

00:33:02.000 That tweet I put out where I said a vote for Democrats is a vote to make the United States like Haiti and a vote for Republicans is to vote to recover like El Salvador.

00:33:10.000 It's got 5,000 retweets.

00:33:11.000 I think it's got like 3 million views or something.

00:33:14.000 Have you ever been to Haiti?

00:33:15.000 I have not.

00:33:18.000 Have you?

00:33:19.000 Yeah, I had a feeling it was for me.

00:33:24.000 So, last time I went, we did crossover into Haiti, and at the time it was literally just walking across a bridge.

00:33:33.000 And the craziest part is the night and day difference.

00:33:38.000 The Dominican Republic, it's lush, green, you know, there's trees, there's all kinds of things.

00:33:43.000 Soon as you walk into Haiti, it feels like you just walked into a desert. 0.92

00:33:46.000 There's nothing.

00:33:47.000 The most vegetation I saw was a tree stump and, uh, some, some like shrubbery, like nothing.

00:33:53.000 Yeah.

00:33:54.000 And it was just a night and day.

00:33:55.000 And these, this nothing changed other than just crossing over a river, crossing the border.

00:34:00.000 And this was, Ooh, I haven't been back in almost 10 years.

00:34:03.000 It's kind of upsetting me because I've been trying to go back, but I keep running into Life problems that are stopping me, but yeah.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, like people say, if you go on Google Earth and look, you can almost clearly see the border because one side's brown, the other side's green.

00:34:21.000 And it's just, that country's totally been mismanaged, and you can tell.

00:34:25.000 And, you know, the U.S.

00:34:28.000 has obviously not helped because they've occupied it multiple times.

00:34:33.000 Yeah, I mean, the first thing the Dominican Republic relatively had going for it was that the border is a lot smaller.

00:34:41.000 I saw, I think today that- Way shorter.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, I think it's probably- Oh, is it good?

00:34:47.000 We should invade Haiti. 1.00

00:34:49.000 No.

00:34:50.000 52nd state, let's do it.

00:34:51.000 Right after Gaza, of course. 0.88

00:34:53.000 Over Gaza, pardon me. 0.90

00:34:54.000 We'll be greeted like liberators.

00:34:56.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 Isn't it?

00:34:57.000 It's interesting.

00:34:58.000 I was watching this thing late last night and I wasn't sleeping very well.

00:35:01.000 Do you see the barbecue guy?

00:35:05.000 Yeah.

00:35:05.000 The facto leader of Hado.

00:35:07.000 Hades, sorry.

00:35:08.000 He's wearing a... Free man.

00:35:11.000 Yes.

00:35:12.000 Did you discuss this last night?

00:35:13.000 Sorry.

00:35:13.000 No, no.

00:35:14.000 We talked about not this part though.

00:35:15.000 Oh, okay.

00:35:16.000 Yeah.

00:35:16.000 So nobody noticed it and I was just wondering, is that just like random, like whatever is like a necklace?

00:35:20.000 It's like, no, there's this entire history of Freemasons in the Caribbean.

00:35:23.000 Like it's, it's, it's like, that's like an actual, I've not seen a very well done piece about the linkage there.

00:35:30.000 And you gotta remember that the Haiti concept is, the Haiti, uh, Dynamic is as old as this country itself the u.s.

00:35:35.000 Had a revolution in 76 and and the the Haitians had a revolution 25 years later Yeah, yeah, I mean the u.s.

00:35:43.000 Was extremely concerned about the precedent of a slave revolt yeah, and look obviously in no way a defense of the practice of slavery, but the Slave revolts themselves never worked.

00:35:59.000 The French Revolution was bad, but on a per capita basis, the Haitian Revolution immediately descended into absolute nightmarish bloodshed.

00:36:08.000 And there has been different periods that have been relatively more stable than others.

00:36:13.000 Um, but we are again, just back in the abyss.

00:36:16.000 I was looking at the Clinton, uh, influence over Haiti and it's just insane.

00:36:20.000 I mean, uh, Bill Clinton made them basically destroy their crops to take all of like the crop of rice crops.

00:36:27.000 That is from Arkansas.

00:36:29.000 He thought it would help them.

00:36:30.000 Uh, I don't get rid of the, I don't understand what his, uh, he has a whole apology video online.

00:36:36.000 You can look up and he's like, I take the full responsibility for this.

00:36:39.000 I don't know what it was.

00:36:40.000 He said it whatever this process was it helped farmers in Arkansas And I don't really know about that like beyond that but it never happened.

00:36:47.000 It destroyed their crops I saw I saw a funny thing that that somebody said that uh They should install Claudine Gaye as the president of Haiti.

00:36:56.000 You know, you know, you know that you ever had the the Mount Gaye rum?

00:36:59.000 No.

00:37:01.000 I know what that is.

00:37:02.000 I haven't had it.

00:37:02.000 It's her family.

00:37:03.000 Wow.

00:37:04.000 Really?

00:37:05.000 Yeah.

00:37:06.000 That's hilarious.

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 She's from a Haitian oligarchy.

00:37:09.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:37:10.000 Yeah.

00:37:11.000 So.

00:37:12.000 So the Bill Clinton and the Rice thing doesn't stop there.

00:37:13.000 It's just like, then they, the Clinton foundation took over helping people out after the earthquake, totally destroyed that.

00:37:21.000 Cause they sent all these trailers to help these people who are, you know, out of homes and the trailers are filled with formaldehyde, like dangerous levels and making people super sick.

00:37:31.000 The same thing happened in her after Hurricane Katrina the same foundation through Clinton Foundation sent these bad trailers and then Hillary influenced a presidential election when she was ambassador went down there and helped one guy get elected and Everyone not everyone but a lot of people in Haiti believed there was lots of fraud fraudulent votes.

00:37:47.000 It's a Haitian election Yeah, and then uh and then yeah, there's another thing there But I remember the funny thing when I was reading about was when the reconstruction was happening under Bill Clinton of Haiti He called it building back better Yeah, I think they forced out the Amistad guy for Bush, but it was definitely like, it was the beginning of the Bush-Clinton era.

00:38:14.000 Re-bridging of the relationship.

00:38:16.000 When they went down there?

00:38:17.000 When H.W.

00:38:19.000 and of course Bill ran against each other in 92 and it was a very bitter campaign, but they became friends and thus accordingly the family became closer through the Haitian thing.

00:38:27.000 There's some sort of, who knows?

00:38:29.000 Through human trafficking?

00:38:31.000 Who knows if it's apocryphal, but like stuff like, you know, like they had like one hotel room and he let HW slept in the bed and Clintus slept on the floor.

00:38:39.000 Oh my goodness.

00:38:41.000 These things are claimed in the various biographies.

00:38:44.000 Right.

00:38:44.000 I remember seeing the pictures of them down there and they're sharing them in the media.

00:38:48.000 Like, look at this.

00:38:49.000 Unity to fix Haiti, but literally they were destroying it. 0.69

00:38:52.000 There's a good, there's a good, um, There's a good piece to be written, I feel like, about does any of this sort of philanthropic industrial complex stuff even work?

00:39:03.000 I mean, Haiti was like a sort of, you know, sort of virtue signaling thing for both sort of center-left democratic and secular types to do, but also sort of like even right-wing Christian types.

00:39:13.000 Like, we're just like, send there, you take pictures of the, you know, sort of poor African American people and like, you know, like everybody feels good, they're getting drinking water, but it's like, if those are the only variables, like X, like Western Sympathy, pity, and why being the result. 0.72

00:39:30.000 This is a pretty sad showing.

00:39:31.000 It seems like a giant experiment, honestly.

00:39:33.000 And then sympathy tourism and disaster tourism weaved in throughout it, with the presidents going down there to help fix it.

00:39:40.000 And they also had the cholera outbreak, which was, I think, before the earthquake.

00:39:46.000 It's just been devastating.

00:39:47.000 And then the guy you're talking about, Barbecue, is like 40-something.

00:39:50.000 He's a cop beforehand.

00:39:52.000 Must have been in his early 30s when the earthquake happened. 0.98

00:39:55.000 So these people are just living in a shithole.

00:39:58.000 It's like they've been living in Haiti this whole time, man. 1.00

00:40:00.000 Crazy.

00:40:00.000 I remember an Uber driver in Florida telling me he was from Haiti and he was like, this is early on in Trump's presidency, he's like, I voted for Trump and I moved here because I want to be away from all Haitians.

00:40:12.000 And at the time, I didn't really understand.

00:40:14.000 He was not really joking, but he said it like a joke.

00:40:18.000 But now looking back on that conversation, I'm like, no, that guy really didn't like Haiti and had to leave home.

00:40:23.000 Yeah, I had a similar conversation in October of 2016.

00:40:26.000 It was very late, like 1.30 in the morning, bar in Chelsea, New York.

00:40:30.000 And the bartender was from Juarez.

00:40:33.000 And I just assumed he was going to get mad at our conversation, frankly.

00:40:37.000 And he was like, and this is like back then, I was like, I wasn't even really sure Trump's gonna win.

00:40:41.000 Like the polling looked pretty bad.

00:40:42.000 You know, I had been pretty bullish on his chances in 16, but you know, it looked really bad.

00:40:46.000 It was like the week after Axis Hollywood. 0.64

00:40:47.000 And he was like, there was no chance Trump will lose.

00:40:50.000 I am from Juarez.

00:40:51.000 You've got to build an enormous wall between that country and ours.

00:40:54.000 And I was like, wow, this guy was adamant.

00:40:56.000 And I was like, and I never forgot the conversation.

00:40:58.000 So I think it's a fairly common sentiment, especially among some of the older immigrants

00:41:02.000 from Latin America.

00:41:04.000 No, I knew a Mexican man who worked on a farm near where I grew up.

00:41:10.000 And when he drove by one day in his truck with a giant Trump flag, I was like, huh, interesting.

00:41:16.000 And I asked him, he was just like, I came here legally.

00:41:18.000 And it's ridiculous that people can come here illegally after I went through all these steps to do this stuff.

00:41:23.000 And he was just so open about it.

00:41:25.000 It'll be interesting to see what happens if there actually is.

00:41:27.000 So again, not to take the pro-barbecue stance here, but like... Kirby's pro-cannibalism?

00:41:34.000 This one cannibal in particular!

00:41:37.000 I believe he denies... Sources close to Kirby say... He claims that he's called barbecue because his mother was a chicken vendor.

00:41:44.000 He eats people to scare people, not for the sustenance.

00:41:49.000 Let's say Barbecue establishes control and sort of renounces whatever practices that are potentially untoward, and he establishes a dictatorship in Haiti, right?

00:41:59.000 It's an interesting hypothetical question whether or not the US government will accept this, right?

00:42:04.000 I'm not pro-dictatorship, but like...

00:42:07.000 It's got to be better than what they're doing now.

00:42:08.000 And so like, I mean like, if what they're doing now is zero, and a competent dictatorship is like a three or four, and like an actual functioning democracy like the U.S.

00:42:19.000 like 70 years ago is like a ten, should we not accept the better?

00:42:23.000 It's progress, right?

00:42:24.000 Yeah, and like, but you could see a democra- I'm just, I'm just like, you know, like, I'm not advocating for it, but if he's able to maintain control and he establishes some sort of weird, Masonic, you know, dictatorship state.

00:42:36.000 How do you feel about the state of the United States?

00:42:39.000 Right now?

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:40.000 We're above Haiti.

00:42:41.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:42:42.000 But do you think that we're facing an existential crisis?

00:42:45.000 Oh, for sure.

00:42:46.000 Yeah.

00:42:47.000 If Donald Trump gets elected and we go through standard procedures and the Democrats hang him up, cement his feet, can't really do anything, we will not resolve an existential crisis.

00:42:57.000 It will just postpone for the next four years, should Trump be a mini-dictator.

00:43:04.000 What I mean by that is, like, I really don't expect him to, you know, start arresting people arbitrarily.

00:43:09.000 I mean, like, should he use the full weight of the Constitution and the law to start arresting corrupt politicians, shutting the border, deporting people?

00:43:18.000 Yeah, I mean, I think we need to treat the border as a military problem.

00:43:22.000 And I think, I'm a foreign policy reporter by training, so, I mean, I think you just make this stuff matters of national security.

00:43:28.000 So trade and immigration should be matters of national security.

00:43:31.000 And there, We do have an imperial presidency for better or worse.

00:43:34.000 He actually does have considerable leverage, and I think he should take his chance at the Supreme Court to militize the border.

00:43:40.000 Would we be better off in the United States if Trump, after getting elected four years on, says, I am suspending the next elections and will remain in office for another four years until we resolve the crisis of corruption, polarization, mass deportation, etc., etc.?

00:43:57.000 I think that would be ill-advised.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, totally agree.

00:43:59.000 I reject that.

00:44:04.000 Alright, next caller.

00:44:09.000 Yeah, so a few fun facts about Haiti.

00:44:16.000 You know the term zombie?

00:44:18.000 That's Haitian. 0.92

00:44:19.000 So it's a voodoo practice and it dates back a very long time.

00:44:26.000 Asked my parents about it one time because part of Dominican Republic we live in is very close to the border

00:44:31.000 and they're like Oh, yeah, we know about zombies and zombie ism

00:44:33.000 Like wow, it's kind of like we think of it as like sci-fi and they're like no, it's real. Yeah, so

00:44:40.000 yeah, so be careful with what barbecue might do because uh It'll probably resurrect those same enemies

00:44:49.000 Can't backtrack now, you're pro-barbecue.

00:44:51.000 I'm barbecue skeptical, to be clear.

00:44:55.000 Alright, I'm just saying, what are our alternatives here?

00:44:58.000 Let's grab the next caller.

00:44:59.000 Thanks, Churchill.

00:44:59.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:45:00.000 That's why they were calling them zombie votes in that fraudulent lesson.

00:45:03.000 Yes.

00:45:04.000 What are the alternatives to barbecue the dictator cannibal? 0.81

00:45:06.000 Alright. 0.60

00:45:08.000 Justin L. Simms.

00:45:09.000 How you doing, man?

00:45:09.000 Cheers.

00:45:12.000 I'm doing great.

00:45:13.000 That was a much more fun conversation than I'm going to have.

00:45:19.000 I was calling in for Mr. Mills to ask him what does he see as, you know, in the D.C.

00:45:28.000 swamp area, what does he see as the Democrats, liberals, leftists, whatever you want to call it, most effective talking point that could sway, you know, on-the-fence moderates And what is the conservative's best arguments against that?

00:45:44.000 Okay, the most dangerous issue in this campaign is if the Democrats run on the IVF thing.

00:45:53.000 So, I mean, if they just hammer it, like, it's not fully coherent because, you know, obviously Trump is not the most religious individual in the world, but if they just hammer it, they're gonna ban IVF.

00:46:04.000 I think that... The scare tactic?

00:46:06.000 Well, I mean, I mean, like there was that Alabama Supreme Court ruling and Alabama is now protected the right in some form or another.

00:46:13.000 But if the Republicans don't have their message discipline there, that this is like actually not like a key initiative of this this campaign.

00:46:20.000 I mean, look, we can get in this all day.

00:46:22.000 People should be having children younger. 0.98

00:46:23.000 You can make this argument.

00:46:25.000 The reality is like that's not going to happen right now.

00:46:27.000 A lot of people do conceive children through IVF.

00:46:31.000 I'd rather have those children than not, frankly.

00:46:33.000 And if the election becomes a referendum on IVF, this is like a 9-to-1 issue.

00:46:37.000 Abortion, you could argue, is 50-50 or 5-to-4 or whatever.

00:46:37.000 It's not even close.

00:46:41.000 That would be the most effective way for a democratic route, in my view.

00:46:45.000 The Republican argument to counteract it, I think, is very clear, which is, we're not running on that.

00:46:53.000 I think the IVF topic is so fascinating and I think you're totally right.

00:46:57.000 I mean in some ways the way the left-leaning media seized on this issue as soon as the ruling came out to say well because of Roe this is where we are when actually you know they're not totally related abortion and IVF I could see the parallel but They're separate issues.

00:47:15.000 To me, it says that all of the, you know, I can't tell you how many NPR reports I listened to that said abortion is going to be the issue in 2024.

00:47:23.000 And that's because the left believes that's what Biden can win on, which you've talked about this a couple times tonight.

00:47:28.000 If you can keep the focus on the economy, on trade and on the border, I think immigration in particular, it's much better to be a Republican than it is to be a Democrat.

00:47:39.000 For me, the IVF issue is so fascinating because I think it's so poorly represented.

00:47:42.000 And I think basically not talking about it, but also always pointing back to the fact that the underlying case in the Alabama court was about people who had made embryos that they wanted and that the hospital and clinic allowed a patient to go into the cryogenic nursery and drop the embryos on the floor.

00:48:00.000 And so they sued under a wrongful death of a minor act.

00:48:00.000 Right.

00:48:02.000 Like that is that's what happened at the core.

00:48:05.000 And it became they're trying to end IVF and fertility treatments because they hate you.

00:48:09.000 Right, but that took a long time.

00:48:11.000 Because Democrats lie all the time.

00:48:11.000 That took a long time to explain, and so if they- I think they can- I mean, I'm not on the campaign trail, but if they can get it faster, if they can rebrand the issue- It's all just a waste of time.

00:48:20.000 Look, if Republicans are like, we think IVF should be legal, this is a convoluted argument about someone intentionally destroying embryos, and the Democrats just go, it's too complicated, they can't answer, so just say they want to ban IVF, then what's stopping Republicans from being like, Democrats are trying to, uh, you know, rape kids. 0.95

00:48:43.000 I mean, they're in favor of child sex.

00:48:45.000 I think in 2020, it's, okay, 2022 is complex.

00:48:48.000 So it's obviously was a law, it's actually like one of the things Republicans did well.

00:48:55.000 They invested in the court over a generation.

00:48:58.000 They overturned, in my view, which was a not good precedent, which was settling the abortion issue by judicial fiat, by dictatorship, as opposed to leaving it to the voters in state by state.

00:49:11.000 What do you mean?

00:49:11.000 I disagree with that.

00:49:12.000 I don't believe the question of whether or not a person in the United States has constitutional rights should be left up to states to vote on.

00:49:19.000 I don't agree.

00:49:20.000 So you think this, like, Texas could vote that black people can be slaves?

00:49:24.000 I mean, I think this particular issue, abortion, should be handled state by state.

00:49:24.000 No, no.

00:49:28.000 Are the unborn humans?

00:49:30.000 I think it's, for the legal purposes, I believe it is state by state.

00:49:34.000 Are the unborn human?

00:49:37.000 I think it's a complex issue.

00:49:38.000 I think it's a complex issue.

00:49:40.000 So you would not classify the unborn as a life or human?

00:49:44.000 I think it's... My personal vote is not particularly important here.

00:49:49.000 Like, if I were specifically voting, I would vote for way more radical abortion laws than are currently on the books in my place of residence.

00:49:59.000 It's a simple question.

00:50:00.000 Are unborn babies human? 0.60

00:50:06.000 I think they're neither, I think it's an intermediate stage.

00:50:10.000 So they're not human, they're not?

00:50:12.000 I think there should be more rights for unborn, for fetuses.

00:50:17.000 Okay.

00:50:18.000 I think that's a fairly progressive position.

00:50:21.000 The conservative position is the unborn are humans, they're children, they're alive.

00:50:25.000 That's that question answered.

00:50:27.000 Okay.

00:50:28.000 The progressive view is, I don't know, it's an intermediate stage.

00:50:30.000 No, no, no, no.

00:50:31.000 The progressive view is that the rights exist absolutely for the women. 0.80

00:50:35.000 The women can do whatever they want with it. 1.00

00:50:36.000 Right, right.

00:50:37.000 I think we should have less abortions in the United States.

00:50:39.000 Yeah.

00:50:40.000 I think we should have legislation that gets that done.

00:50:43.000 The question with Roe is constitutional rights extending to the unborn.

00:50:48.000 And one of the principal arguments is viability.

00:50:51.000 If the child can survive on its own, you can't kill it.

00:50:53.000 Agreed, agreed with that, agreed with that.

00:50:56.000 Yeah.

00:50:57.000 So the issue is Should we allow states to vote that a person is not a human and has no rights and can be terminated by another person?

00:51:07.000 The answer is no.

00:51:07.000 The constitution of the federal government should dictate the constitution extends to all human beings in this country.

00:51:12.000 And it extends to non-citizens as well.

00:51:15.000 I think that the majority of Americans don't agree with that, and I think that would be a counterproductive use of political power.

00:51:21.000 It won't solve the issue.

00:51:26.000 I'm not talking about the moral issue of, are unborn babies human beings?

00:51:31.000 I understand.

00:51:32.000 And should the states have the right to vote away someone's rights? 0.69

00:51:35.000 The answer is no.

00:51:36.000 That's it.

00:51:37.000 The answer is no.

00:51:38.000 There's no argument.

00:51:38.000 There's no equivocating.

00:51:39.000 There's no, but we wouldn't win, or with that.

00:51:41.000 No, no, it's quite simply, I will stand on a pedestal and say, I will lose for My goal is fewer abortions in the United States, and I want to get from X to Y. I do think this is why conservatives lose all the time, to be honest.

00:51:57.000 I think overturning Roe is an example of a conservative win.

00:52:02.000 I disagree.

00:52:03.000 Why not?

00:52:04.000 Well, because... Well, I don't necessarily... I don't know if I necessarily disagree on Roe specifically, but my point is, the federal government... It is a question of the federal government, and specifically the Supreme Court, whether or not the unborn are guaranteed constitutional rights.

00:52:18.000 Now, just because Roe was wrong, or ruled incorrectly, doesn't change the fact the federal government, at the judicial level, should be asserting whether or not the Constitution applies to the unborn.

00:52:27.000 Does the Constitution apply to humans within this country and are the unborn human? 0.86

00:52:32.000 And if conservatives say, let's not tell people what we think so we can try and win, you lose.

00:52:36.000 Because you're building no moral base among other people. 0.88

00:52:40.000 The left comes out and says that adults should be able to have sex with children.

00:52:44.000 And they should give children these books.

00:52:47.000 Snapchat had a filter that said, love has no age.

00:52:50.000 They have no shame whatsoever to literally come out and say, a woman should be able to destroy a baby at the point of birth. 1.00

00:52:57.000 They scream it to the high heavens and conservatives are like, don't tell anyone what you really think, otherwise we'll lose.

00:53:03.000 Certainly it's the opposite.

00:53:04.000 Certainly, we have now Democrats going out saying, what was her name?

00:53:08.000 Nancy Tran?

00:53:09.000 Was that her name?

00:53:09.000 I always confuse her name.

00:53:12.000 I think it was...

00:53:14.000 Or it could have been Kathy.

00:53:16.000 Uh, was it Kathy Tran?

00:53:18.000 I'm gonna make sure I get the name right.

00:53:24.000 Oh, Kathy Tran.

00:53:25.000 I always say Nancy for some reason.

00:53:26.000 Quite literally saying to a judge that you can abort a baby at the point of birth.

00:53:32.000 Yeah, I don't agree with that.

00:53:33.000 But my point is, Democrats will scream it to the high heavens.

00:53:38.000 We believe you can end the life of a baby as it's being born.

00:53:42.000 And I think they're losing the argument. 0.93

00:53:43.000 And conservatives will not say you should not be able to kill the baby. 0.99

00:53:47.000 No, no, no. 0.99

00:53:48.000 Many conservatives will.

00:53:49.000 But too many conservatives go, let's not actually argue for our real position because we'll lose.

00:53:54.000 You're welcome to argue for your position, but I think what is most effective way to handle this is not through the courts.

00:54:00.000 I think Democrats are clearly proving otherwise.

00:54:02.000 Roe v. Wade is overturned.

00:54:04.000 And in Colorado, all that's done is fragmented the country.

00:54:10.000 The country is fragmented on this issue.

00:54:12.000 So you can argue that in terms of less abortions, overturning Roe v. Wade is good, but that doesn't change the fact the argument is the federal government should, the Supreme Court specifically, must answer the question, are the unborn protected under the Constitution?

00:54:26.000 That's it.

00:54:27.000 That's the question.

00:54:28.000 They have answered it.

00:54:29.000 They say it's a state issue. 0.98

00:54:30.000 So the states can vote that black people should be slaves. 0.98

00:54:33.000 No. 0.99

00:54:33.000 No, they can't. 0.99

00:54:34.000 That's solved by the Civil War.

00:54:36.000 It's solved by the 13th Amendment. 0.74

00:54:36.000 No, it's not. 0.74

00:54:38.000 13th Amendment, yeah.

00:54:38.000 So there should be a 27th Amendment, human beings in this country.

00:54:43.000 So the problem with the 14th Amendment is that- 13th Amendment.

00:54:45.000 No, the 14th.

00:54:46.000 The 14th, I believe, actually does outline- Equal protection, yeah.

00:54:51.000 Right, it actually does.

00:54:53.000 Let's pull it up because we've had this argument a million and one times.

00:54:56.000 Oh God, wrong phone number.

00:54:57.000 Here we go.

00:54:58.000 Let's see, let's see.

00:54:59.000 No person shall be, no no no, the validity of public debt, no no no, all persons born or naturalized in the United States are subject, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, of the state wherein they reside.

00:55:09.000 No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, semicolon, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the unborn person.

00:55:23.000 So you want it to be interpreted under the 14th Amendment?

00:55:26.000 I believe it already was.

00:55:27.000 I believe the Constitution... The Supreme Court has not interpreted that.

00:55:30.000 Exactly.

00:55:31.000 The Supreme Court needs to answer the question, does this clause of Section 1, the 14th Amendment, that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process, does that apply to the unborn?

00:55:42.000 I think if the court... Are the unborn persons yes or no?

00:55:44.000 If the court does that in 2024, which they're not going to do, but if they were to do it, then the Democrats would sweep to power and they would pass

00:55:50.000 their own constitutional amendment overriding that precedent, which in my view would be

00:55:54.000 counterproductive.

00:55:55.000 Then you've already lost.

00:55:56.000 No, we haven't lost currently.

00:55:59.000 So if the issue is that the culture of this country is accepting of the idea that the unborn can be terminated

00:56:06.000 at any point, then...

00:56:07.000 It's a moral loss.

00:56:10.000 The country is torn on the question.

00:56:12.000 The question is about making it less.

00:56:14.000 How do you do that the fastest?

00:56:16.000 It's not about making ourselves feel good, in my personal view.

00:56:19.000 Do you think abortion is murder?

00:56:23.000 I would not personally engage in an abortion.

00:56:25.000 I gotta ask, why is it so hard for you to answer these questions?

00:56:28.000 Because I want to have less abortions. 0.54

00:56:30.000 So is abortion murder or no?

00:56:33.000 My goal is to have less abortions. 1.00

00:56:35.000 Is abortion murder yes or no? 0.77

00:56:36.000 I would not personally do an abortion.

00:56:38.000 Is abortion murder yes or no? 0.77

00:56:39.000 Tim, I think I've said my piece.

00:56:41.000 Right, you can't answer the question.

00:56:43.000 I don't think that language is useful.

00:56:46.000 Is it because... So is the answer no?

00:56:49.000 I gave you my answer.

00:56:50.000 So like, if he were to answer you, what's the next point that you want to make?

00:56:55.000 That's it.

00:56:56.000 I mean, is an unborn baby in the womb a life?

00:57:02.000 Is that life protected?

00:57:03.000 Or is it not?

00:57:04.000 These are moral questions that must be answered.

00:57:06.000 They must be answered.

00:57:07.000 Looking at the country as a win for you, because you want to win the White House back, Is that what you're saying?

00:57:17.000 Because like, in my opinion, the moral loss of knowing that parts of the country are still allowed to murder under certain states is worse off.

00:57:25.000 I mean, there are obviously echoes of slavery here, but I would like to resolve the abortion question where we have very few abortions in the United States without a civil war.

00:57:34.000 That's my goal.

00:57:35.000 You think he gets there?

00:57:36.000 Yes.

00:57:37.000 I think the science is not good for the pro-choice position.

00:57:41.000 I don't think that matters.

00:57:43.000 It does for me.

00:57:44.000 I mean like the moral weakness.

00:57:48.000 Like the rape and incest argument also makes no sense.

00:57:50.000 Like there's no moral consistent logic among the pro-life position.

00:57:54.000 The left position I can understand because it's unabashed.

00:57:58.000 Murder, power, gluttony, greed, lists of deadly sins. 0.99

00:58:01.000 We can kill a baby whenever we want. 0.99

00:58:03.000 We don't think they're babies. 1.00

00:58:03.000 We don't care. 1.00

00:58:04.000 Vosh comes on this show and says... I said, at what point does a human become alive?

00:58:08.000 And he goes, a few months after it was born.

00:58:10.000 They have no problem outright saying... I understand.

00:58:13.000 I'm not that person though. 1.00

00:58:14.000 You can take a baby into another room and kill it. 0.98

00:58:16.000 That's not what I'm arguing. 0.98

00:58:18.000 In the Northam argument.

00:58:19.000 But the right is terrified to actually say that.

00:58:21.000 But you're arguing I should take an extreme position.

00:58:23.000 Extreme?!

00:58:23.000 No, you're arguing I should take an equal and opposite position with that.

00:58:27.000 No, I'm saying, why do you want to stop abortion?

00:58:30.000 Oh, because I think it's barbaric.

00:58:33.000 What is barbaric about it?

00:58:35.000 Have you seen the procedure?

00:58:36.000 It's horrible.

00:58:37.000 Right, right, right.

00:58:37.000 But like, what does that mean, it's barbaric?

00:58:41.000 I mean, I don't want to get into it, but I mean, the videos are atrocious.

00:58:44.000 Well, how about this?

00:58:45.000 What are the videos showing?

00:58:46.000 The removal of a fetus from a mother is terrible.

00:58:48.000 The removal of a fetus?

00:58:49.000 That's like a birth, right?

00:58:51.000 Like when the baby is born, it's removed from the mother.

00:58:55.000 When a baby is born, it's removed from the mother, right? 0.57

00:58:56.000 So you're talking about birth?

00:58:59.000 Elaborate, what do you mean?

00:59:00.000 I really don't want to debate this any further.

00:59:01.000 Well, I think the issue- I would like fewer abortions in the United States. 0.89

00:59:05.000 Granted.

00:59:06.000 And I am sick and tired of weak morals among Republicans who are unwilling- But what good will it do for the conservative pro-life position?

00:59:16.000 Save lives.

00:59:16.000 Yeah, maybe like- Maybe the issue that I see is that Republicans are centrists who say don't actually, and there's a lot of unabashed conservatives we're now seeing with like the MAGA movement, certainly like the likes of Carrie Lake, Marjorie Taylor Greene, will have no problem answering any of these questions I've asked.

00:59:35.000 They would outright say it is murder, it should be stopped, all of it should be banned.

00:59:39.000 Seamus Coghlan would come on the show.

00:59:40.000 What if Carey Lake loses an election?

00:59:41.000 I mean, what good does it do if Gallego is elected and he... It's just fascinating to me that Democrats will beat the living fuck out of conservatives every single day, and they will crush them in elections, they will lie, cheat, and steal 24-7, and the argument is, well, we better lie about our positions, maybe we'll win then. 0.96

00:59:58.000 So, I haven't lied to you at all. 0.95

01:00:00.000 You won't answer any of these questions.

01:00:01.000 I answered your questions.

01:00:02.000 No, you didn't.

01:00:03.000 Come on.

01:00:04.000 Spare me.

01:00:05.000 It's a basic question.

01:00:05.000 Is abortion yes or no?

01:00:06.000 You can say, honestly, I have no thought on whether it is or isn't.

01:00:08.000 That's a fine answer.

01:00:09.000 You just said, I don't want to talk about it at all.

01:00:11.000 That's my answer.

01:00:12.000 Okay, great.

01:00:13.000 So, why do you want to stop abortions? 0.57

01:00:15.000 Because they're barbaric.

01:00:15.000 What does that mean, it's barbaric?

01:00:17.000 You don't have an answer.

01:00:18.000 I think it's a grim thing.

01:00:19.000 It's a grim fact of human existence.

01:00:21.000 I would like it to be extremely limited.

01:00:24.000 I think... What does that mean, it's grim?

01:00:28.000 I mean, it's really simple if you ask me.

01:00:29.000 It's destroying life.

01:00:31.000 Okay, I understand.

01:00:33.000 I don't understand your moral position at all.

01:00:35.000 It seems arbitrary and illogical.

01:00:37.000 I want less.

01:00:38.000 Fewer.

01:00:39.000 For no reason?

01:00:40.000 Come on, you know why.

01:00:41.000 I don't know why, because you won't answer the question.

01:00:43.000 And you don't have to, that's fine.

01:00:44.000 I understand.

01:00:44.000 There you go.

01:00:45.000 So, what I see every single day is, and I'm not pro-life, I think there are nuances in the libertarian argument of constitutional limitations as it pertains to a life attached to a woman that can't survive on its own and whether a woman is obligated under the law to provide her body to it and under what circumstances.

01:01:00.000 Uh, particularly if the woman shows to open her body to a life, she has effectively become a body, she has provided her body to that person, she now has an obligation for at least nine months.

01:01:09.000 But if she was raped, now there's a question of, you cannot, the government cannot mandate a person give their body to another person against their will.

01:01:15.000 These are very difficult questions that need to be answered.

01:01:17.000 What frustrates me is, I watch the Republicans all day hemming and hawing with Robert Herr and getting nothing.

01:01:25.000 And we get Robert Herr who outright admits Joe Biden's a criminal and breaking the law, and Republicans do nothing.

01:01:31.000 And when Donald Trump is in office, what do we get?

01:01:33.000 We're not going to go after Hillary Clinton.

01:01:34.000 Would you prefer if he indicts him and the Democrats win the election because it's seen as an overreach?

01:01:39.000 But why would that be the case?

01:01:41.000 I think it's an overreach.

01:01:42.000 I don't think that Trump should be indicted for anything.

01:01:44.000 I think they should both be not indicted.

01:01:47.000 I think criminalization of politics is bad.

01:01:49.000 And so the issue that we have right now is Trump is not winning on that argument.

01:01:52.000 In fact, he is losing that argument.

01:01:54.000 He's up in the polls!

01:01:55.000 Because of the economy.

01:01:59.000 The polls that show immigration and economics are the number one issue.

01:02:02.000 But also his poll numbers, if the X variable is the indictments and the Y variable is the polls, they shot up at the time he started getting indicted last spring.

01:02:11.000 There is a loose correlation between Donald Trump's indictments and poll increases, but the number one issue... I think it's pretty severe.

01:02:19.000 And when you ask people why, they say immigration economy.

01:02:23.000 I'm not denying that.

01:02:24.000 In fact, one of the worst elements of the Republican Party is that when I talk to people and say, are you going to vote? 0.99

01:02:31.000 They say, what's the fucking point? 0.99

01:02:32.000 Republicans don't do anything. 1.00

01:02:34.000 We talk about all day on the show. 0.99

01:02:35.000 I mean, when the midterms happened, and we were all like, oh shit, the Republicans got a narrow majority, everyone on the show are laughing, saying, and now they will begin to do nothing. 0.72

01:02:45.000 There will be no inverse January 6th committee, there will be no 529 committee, there will be no deep or serious investigations, and anything we do get will be political bickering that will be like, here's why we think Hunter Biden's bad, whereas Democrats indict condemn. They're literally hunting down grannies over 0.99

01:03:02.000 January 6th. And then I'm supposed to believe that even Donald Trump, who said he was going to arrest

01:03:07.000 Hillary and lock her up and then did nothing, and that's fine, arguably initially reasonable. We

01:03:12.000 end up with them framing the president for treason, aiding and abetting and working with

01:03:16.000 the Russian government.

01:03:18.000 And still the Republicans do nothing.

01:03:20.000 How am I supposed to make the argument that this is the right choice when Republicans are the quote, slowed down Democrats party and they're terrified to express their actual positions because they think they're going to lose when they're losing.

01:03:30.000 If Trump is reelected in November after the Democrats indicted him 95 times, that is going to be a grand rebuke to these tactics.

01:03:36.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:03:37.000 And I think the grandest mistake Republicans could make would be to adopt the exact same tactics that our voters are about to reject.

01:03:44.000 And that argument plays in 2024.

01:03:46.000 That argument doesn't play in 2021.

01:03:49.000 I'm existing in 2024.

01:03:51.000 2022 happens, and so I've had this argument over and over again, and one of the funniest things about electoral politics every cycle is that if Libertarians voted Conservative or Republican, the Republicans win every time.

01:04:05.000 I mean, it's 5 million more votes in all of these states.

01:04:10.000 The Libertarian Party gets about 5 million or whatever votes.

01:04:13.000 I think that's probably a net Republican accrual, but I think some Democrats vote Libertarian.

01:04:18.000 And if the Libertarians decided to vote, it's the meme where it's like a guy says, I'm not going to vote Republican because I'm a Libertarian.

01:04:26.000 And then it shows and there's like crude bit, you know, paintbrush drawings.

01:04:30.000 Democrat wins by one vote and then bans guns.

01:04:32.000 Because Libertarians don't want to vote Republican.

01:04:34.000 Now, I understand that Libertarians don't like the Republican Party.

01:04:37.000 But one of the reasons is, when we have any Libertarian on, they say, are you joking?

01:04:42.000 What do Republicans even do?

01:04:43.000 They win the House, and then are there any rebukes of what the Democrats have been doing with January 6th?

01:04:49.000 Nope!

01:04:50.000 Just political pandering.

01:04:51.000 And so for years, what do we get?

01:04:53.000 Hemming and Hawing, Republicans siding with Democrats, the Republicans don't actually have any power, Kevin McCarthy can't get anything done, Kevin McCarthy breaking his promises, and the Republicans prove to be ineffective.

01:05:02.000 Donald Trump gets elected, he hires John Bolton.

01:05:04.000 How do we win over these people and convince them that Donald Trump winning actually is a net positive?

01:05:09.000 I can say, I vote for Trump, no new wars.

01:05:11.000 Easy enough, done.

01:05:13.000 Agreed.

01:05:13.000 I don't know that it actually will solve the problem of abject corruption in this country, because Republicans are going to be shackled by Democrats in Deep State.

01:05:21.000 As Chuck Schumer said, they got six waves from Sunday of stopping you, and I see nothing from Republicans to actually do anything about it. 0.99

01:05:27.000 Entering 2024, now I say, well shit, now we can't impeach Joe Biden. 0.83

01:05:31.000 Because of the economy and immigration, among other issues, Joe Biden's actually down in the polls and Republicans might actually win in November. 0.99

01:05:37.000 The only problem?

01:05:38.000 They'll do nothing.

01:05:39.000 Donald Trump may get his revenge tour, and I think the gloves are off, and that's what I'm hoping for, at the very least, Schedule F, but I do not have high hopes, and I think it would be disingenuous for me to go to any libertarian and say, trust me, this time it will change.

01:05:53.000 Certainly, Donald Trump is a big change, but I don't know that I see, like...

01:05:58.000 You know, it's a general net positive.

01:06:00.000 There will be, sure, less abortions, and perhaps, unless there is a fundamental cultural change in this country, which is why all of the investment that we do with Tim Kass, I don't care to donate to politicians at all.

01:06:13.000 It's build culture, set up the Kass brew coffee shop, get people to organize, get people to share ideas with each other, start new shows.

01:06:22.000 We're doing big investment in skateboarding, and we are invading the space that the woke have tried to take over, because culture is how you win everything.

01:06:28.000 Look, I trust you're very well meaning, but these debates are extremely old.

01:06:32.000 I mean, if you just go back to the Civil War, similar debates were had between Lincoln and the Radical Republicans over these exact nature.

01:06:39.000 And I just continue to side with Lincoln.

01:06:41.000 If they had not won the elections in 1860 and 1864, the practice would have been prolonged.

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 So... But we can make ourselves feel good by saying we're the most against it.

01:06:51.000 And what were the Republicans doing and the abolitionists doing?

01:06:55.000 During the period of Civil War, they were... Bleeding Kansas. 0.83

01:06:59.000 Okay.

01:07:00.000 What were they doing?

01:07:02.000 They were fighting over slavery.

01:07:03.000 Like, so like, you know, John Brown was shooting people in the face.

01:07:07.000 That was West Virginia, but yeah.

01:07:08.000 John Brown, that was actually bleeding Kansas.

01:07:11.000 Okay.

01:07:11.000 John Brown and his sons were in Kansas.

01:07:13.000 And John Brown walked up to his neighbor.

01:07:13.000 Yeah.

01:07:15.000 I think John Brown was executed for murder.

01:07:17.000 Treason.

01:07:18.000 Okay, treason, murder.

01:07:19.000 I believe he was the first person to be hanged for treason.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, I think that was, I think that, I think John Brown was a vigilante.

01:07:25.000 Well, he's hailed as a hero.

01:07:27.000 By some.

01:07:28.000 The local casino has his face on their 25 checks.

01:07:31.000 I understand, I understand.

01:07:32.000 I think that was not a use of his talents.

01:07:34.000 So, the abolitionists were violent.

01:07:39.000 Not always, not usually.

01:07:40.000 Sure, not always, but I mean, come on.

01:07:42.000 I think extrajudicial violence is bad.

01:07:44.000 Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

01:07:45.000 But if you were on the side of the abolitionists, they were the ones that were engaging and going around and murdering people.

01:07:51.000 I don't accept that frame, but okay.

01:07:53.000 That's a fact.

01:07:54.000 John Brown murdered people, yes.

01:07:55.000 Bleeding Kansas was quite literally abolitionist forces going into Kansas and killing slave owners.

01:07:59.000 And slave owners shooting back.

01:08:01.000 I think that was bad.

01:08:02.000 The slave owners weren't seeking out abolitionist factions in little cells hidden in caves and houses.

01:08:08.000 John Brown's house is down the street.

01:08:10.000 Literally, you could walk there in half an hour.

01:08:12.000 Well, maybe 15 minutes.

01:08:14.000 The abolitionist forces were accruing in slave... like, slavers had farms with slaves.

01:08:20.000 I know.

01:08:21.000 And they had shoe factories and things like this.

01:08:24.000 The slave owners were not seeking out abolitionists to kill.

01:08:27.000 The abolitionists were seeking out slave owners to kill. 0.96

01:08:29.000 Okay.

01:08:30.000 When Abraham Lincoln gets elected, before he's inaugurated, seven states said, this is the end of slavery, we secede.

01:08:35.000 I think slavery is a really, really bad thing.

01:08:37.000 Abraham Lincoln did not abolish slavery.

01:08:39.000 Abraham Lincoln abolished slavery in rebellion states and preserved it in states like Maryland and Delaware.

01:08:45.000 And he won the war.

01:08:47.000 And he won the war, and after that... They passed the 13th Amendment.

01:08:51.000 13th and 14th.

01:08:53.000 And then you got the Reconstruction Era, which almost evolved... But Lincoln also tried to avoid the Civil War.

01:08:59.000 Sure, but he started it.

01:09:01.000 The South started the Civil War.

01:09:02.000 They seceded.

01:09:04.000 He said he... The secession isn't a war.

01:09:06.000 Yes, it did.

01:09:07.000 Yes, it was.

01:09:07.000 The secession caused the war.

01:09:09.000 Caused is not the war, right?

01:09:12.000 You could argue— Because the Union would not accept that the South would leave.

01:09:16.000 Well, so the Union— And they also didn't accept that they were the lawful representatives of the people in the States, that this was an extrajudicial or an extralegal body that had claimed themselves to be the representatives of the South.

01:09:30.000 Do you think that the American War for Independence was wrong?

01:09:33.000 No, I'm a big supporter.

01:09:34.000 But you do know that Britain abolished slavery well before the United States did.

01:09:37.000 I think it was like 1820s they abolished slavery?

01:09:41.000 1822 maybe?

01:09:41.000 The slave trade or slavery?

01:09:43.000 Great Britain abolished slavery in... Yeah, easy to do when you're not agricultural in nature.

01:09:47.000 Ash, it is argued that if the United States lost the war for independence, the crown would have abolished slavery in the States, which likely would have resulted in a civil war.

01:09:56.000 The British were unbelievably cynical in the Civil War.

01:09:59.000 I mean, half the British were pro-confederate.

01:10:01.000 Lord Palmerson had confederate bonds.

01:10:04.000 The Crown decreed in the Commonwealth States the end of slavery, which would have resulted in conflict in the colonies in the States, where the Southern States would have been fighting against the Crown, and it would have been a different kind of war for independence, but mostly just to keep slaves.

01:10:18.000 Ultimately, my point is, you know, I don't know.

01:10:22.000 We bring up Abraham Lincoln, we probably should just wrap it up because we're going late, but the Union forces were Like, there's no good guys in the Civil War.

01:10:32.000 There's, slavery was an atrocity, and it should have been stopped, we all agree on that, and the Union decided to commit atrocities and defend slavery in the process, which makes- The Union defended slavery? 0.54

01:10:41.000 100% they defended slavery.

01:10:43.000 Lincoln's administration?

01:10:45.000 First of all, not only was Lincoln, and he wanted to ship all the black people back to Liberia- As a younger man.

01:10:51.000 Not a younger man.

01:10:52.000 While he was president, they wanted to send him to Laconia.

01:10:55.000 Yeah, but they created Liberia. 0.94

01:10:57.000 That was the 1830s.

01:10:58.000 He didn't create Liberia.

01:11:00.000 Former slaves did.

01:11:01.000 It was founded under... Yeah.

01:11:04.000 Abraham Lincoln, when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation, Military maneuver, yeah.

01:11:10.000 Yeah, it defended slavery in Union states.

01:11:12.000 Yeah.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, he defended slavery.

01:11:15.000 He did not say, slavery is hereby abolished.

01:11:16.000 He said, if you've turned against us, we'll take your slaves from you.

01:11:19.000 And then he said, for Maryland and Delaware, you're good.

01:11:23.000 And I think West Virginia.

01:11:25.000 And before he, before the first thing he did with his second term... His position was not abolition.

01:11:33.000 His election was the suspension of expansion.

01:11:36.000 He said, where slavery exists, it will remain.

01:11:39.000 Look, he was obviously a politician.

01:11:41.000 Sure.

01:11:41.000 But the first thing he did when we elected was pass the 13th amendment.

01:11:44.000 There was, uh... I mean, you can argue states and Reconstruction, and there's deep politics of it, but the point I'm making is not that... You know, I do think it's good that the Union won, but I don't see good guys in the fight between the North and the South.

01:11:58.000 You can argue that there is good in the ending of slavery, but then you can also argue there is bad in the march to the sea, the ransacking of homes... Oh, sure!

01:12:08.000 Yeah, they murdered slaves.

01:12:09.000 There is good and evil people on both sides.

01:12:11.000 But I think Lincoln was an able statesman who won the Civil War, and he had clear anti-slavery sympathies, and was very good at achieving his ends.

01:12:21.000 When I think about, you know, a lot of people like to compare what's going on now to, say, Weimar Germany, or the Spanish Civil War, or the American Civil War, it's fascinating because there's a reason why the left views themselves as the inheritors of the Republican Party of 1860.

01:12:34.000 And it's because they are the ones who go around shooting people in the face.

01:12:40.000 But it is, it's true. 0.63

01:12:41.000 They have the John Brown gun club.

01:12:43.000 They're psychotic, but they view the slashing of portraits, the torching and destruction of artifacts and statues as- Entire cities.

01:12:56.000 Entire cities.

01:12:57.000 This is what the abolitionist forces did.

01:13:00.000 John Brown seized a train down the street from here.

01:13:03.000 Yeah, I think this is bad on both sides.

01:13:06.000 And tried to lead a slave revolt, but the side that won is a side of aggression.

01:13:11.000 I don't think John Brown was actually particularly helpful.

01:13:13.000 How about this?

01:13:15.000 The Confederates had a very strong first three years.

01:13:18.000 The South could have won instantly.

01:13:20.000 They chose not to.

01:13:20.000 They could not have won instantly.

01:13:22.000 That's actually a fact.

01:13:23.000 No, they were completely outmanned!

01:13:24.000 The first battle of Bull Run ended with a Confederate victory and they decided not to march on D.C.

01:13:28.000 I understand.

01:13:29.000 And then the North fought a battle of attrition and they won.

01:13:32.000 If the Confederates marched into D.C., the war ended.

01:13:35.000 No, they would have moved the capital and they would have kept the war going.

01:13:38.000 I mean, we can argue what would have happened after the fact.

01:13:39.000 It's counterfactual.

01:13:41.000 No, it's a fact that the Confederate forces did not advance in the Battle of Manassas, and they could have taken D.C.

01:13:49.000 and taken the capital.

01:13:50.000 Yes, I'm not debating that.

01:13:51.000 They could have occupied, and they could have restrained and captured politicians.

01:13:55.000 They could have forced a lot.

01:13:57.000 And it was only because their supplies were being destroyed by an invading North that they eventually decided to make the move on Gettysburg, which was a major catastrophe for a variety of reasons.

01:14:07.000 The South had every opportunity very early on, but they kept doing the, we just wanna be left alone.

01:14:13.000 And the North said- The South wanna be left alone?

01:14:15.000 Yes.

01:14:16.000 The Southern states seceded.

01:14:17.000 I understand.

01:14:19.000 Abraham Lincoln then called upon a force to be amassed in Union States to shut down the South.

01:14:25.000 The votes in, there were four states, I think it was Virginia was not a, the original capital was like in Alabama.

01:14:34.000 Montgomery.

01:14:35.000 And so, when these states were two-to-one against secession, and Abraham Lincoln said, we're now going to call all your men to fight to go, you know, stop the rebellion, that's when sentiment flipped, and they were still, it was still like two-to-one.

01:14:46.000 I'm not disagreeing, yeah.

01:14:47.000 He had to actually go and arrest a third of the Maryland legislature because they had- In Delaware, yeah.

01:14:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:53.000 Yeah, really fucked up shit. 1.00

01:14:55.000 But this is the North aggressing upon the South, because the South was saying, we do not, we do not agree. 1.00

01:15:01.000 That's how it's called in the South, the war on aggression.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:15:05.000 But the issue is, plainly, the South says, we hereby dissolve ties.

01:15:09.000 The North says, no you don't.

01:15:11.000 I agree.

01:15:12.000 And then the North invades the South.

01:15:14.000 That's a fact.

01:15:14.000 They didn't accept that they were lawful representatives, and they didn't represent that it was constitutional for the Union to be dissolved.

01:15:20.000 Sure, sure.

01:15:20.000 And so thus, accordingly, they thought they had the North.

01:15:24.000 And Ulysses S. Grant wrote, effectively, essentially, that if the South were to have won the war, it would have just been a war for independence, and they would have been right and righteous.

01:15:34.000 I mean, I think they thought they were going to have to fight this country forever.

01:15:36.000 They would have tried to expand into the Caribbean, have new slave republics that would have been a geopolitical foe. 0.98

01:15:43.000 They're all different motivations for the Lincoln administration.

01:15:46.000 Well, anyway, there's no point in debating the Civil War, but the ultimate point I'm making is... It is sort of a cliche, yeah.

01:15:50.000 Republicans have been my entire life.

01:15:56.000 I mean, they don't do anything.

01:15:58.000 They don't organize.

01:16:00.000 They don't get out the vote.

01:16:02.000 Scott Pressler is the most effective voter registration activist.

01:16:07.000 He's ignored.

01:16:08.000 They keep Ronna McDaniel in power. 0.99

01:16:09.000 She's out now.

01:16:10.000 Sure, sure.

01:16:11.000 But maybe we can hope that within 16 years, we can see total reformation of the Republican Party and a reforming with a new generation of more based Gen Z. But for the time being, all I see is weakness. 0.86

01:16:24.000 Maybe it's this. 0.99

01:16:25.000 Maybe it's shows like this, you know, I grew up an angry leftist, you know, and here I am angry at much of the exact same things, the Federal Reserve's policies, war for bullshit reasons, but the path forward is with Donald Trump, not with the Democrats, and probably never was, Obama was a liar. 0.95

01:16:44.000 And so I am quite frustrated at the weakness of the conservative Inc. 0.98

01:16:50.000 And perhaps that's why you end up seeing people say they're going to vote for Trump because he says, I'm going to lock up Hillary and I'm going to burn all shit to the ground. 0.99

01:16:56.000 I agree. 0.99

01:16:57.000 I think conservative Inc.' 's values are different than Trump's values.

01:16:59.000 And that's where you see the discord, the disconnect.

01:17:02.000 I mean, conservative Inc.

01:17:03.000 doesn't often agree with the immigration trade and foreign policy positions.

01:17:06.000 I think all of us share from what I can gather.

01:17:09.000 So I'll read one comment, we'll just wrap it up.

01:17:12.000 This is from Vetiv, and we went way over.

01:17:16.000 He says, Tim is off the rails.

01:17:17.000 Kurt knows how to win a political game, Tim doesn't, and once again dug into his obvious moral argument, spare me.

01:17:24.000 So I'll answer that, and you see you got fans, they agree with you on this one.

01:17:27.000 The left has won all of these fights for 20 years, and they're not playing this game.

01:17:33.000 There's a video, I'll play the video.

01:17:37.000 We have it.

01:17:38.000 Let me see, uh, here we go.

01:17:41.000 Listen to this.

01:17:41.000 How many genders are there?

01:17:44.000 I feel like there's two because like Trish said- No, Cass!

01:17:46.000 Don't say that on camera.

01:17:48.000 Yeah, but I feel like you either switch from a boy to a girl or you can switch back and forth. 0.51

01:17:52.000 Stop, stop, stop.

01:17:53.000 I feel like it doesn't matter.

01:17:54.000 Whatever you want to be, it's fine.

01:17:54.000 It doesn't matter.

01:17:55.000 It's okay.

01:17:56.000 Yeah, but I feel like they switch back and forth.

01:17:59.000 Yeah, but like, it doesn't really matter.

01:18:02.000 Like, you can be anything you want to be.

01:18:04.000 It doesn't matter.

01:18:04.000 Come on, stop, stop.

01:18:06.000 Great, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

01:18:08.000 How many?

01:18:08.000 Okay, maybe that's fake.

01:18:10.000 I don't know.

01:18:11.000 I think that's fake.

01:18:11.000 You think it's fake?

01:18:12.000 Why is it fake?

01:18:13.000 I think that's just a manufactured video to make people on both sides of the political aisle debate this idea.

01:18:20.000 Although that might be fake, that is a very real thing that does happen in society.

01:18:25.000 It's functionally real.

01:18:25.000 Though most people in this country will tell you outright child sex changes should be banned, they will publicly, on camera, say child sex changes are a good thing.

01:18:33.000 Because the Democrats rule through terror and violence, and it works.

01:18:36.000 I'm not gonna say that.

01:18:37.000 Say what?

01:18:37.000 I'm not gonna say child sex changes are good.

01:18:39.000 No, no, I mean, most conservatives will say no, but the average person is gonna be like, dude, I'll lose my job.

01:18:45.000 We have pro-skateboarders.

01:18:47.000 They hit me up and they're like, I'm terrified of what's going on.

01:18:51.000 It's so crazy.

01:18:52.000 If I say anything, I'll lose my job.

01:18:53.000 I'll lose everything.

01:18:54.000 And I'm like, OK, well, you know, all that is required for people to triumph is that good men do nothing.

01:18:57.000 So congratulations.

01:18:58.000 You are you are that that the problem of the world that, you know.

01:19:03.000 So this is my point.

01:19:06.000 Conservatives keep playing the centrist game.

01:19:09.000 They, uh, Trump was the first big ask. 0.94

01:19:12.000 He came out and he said, we're gonna, we're gonna ban all Muslims coming into the country until we can figure out what the hell's really going on.

01:19:18.000 And he went extremely, he actually argued A counter-position to the left for the first time I'd ever actually seen. 0.90

01:19:26.000 Because, you know, usually it was just... The example I like to use is misgendering.

01:19:31.000 Republicans say, don't ban anyone.

01:19:33.000 Democrats say, ban anyone who disagrees with our ideology.

01:19:35.000 Why don't Republicans say, ban anyone who disagrees with our ideology?

01:19:38.000 They don't do it.

01:19:39.000 So as long as you're arguing from a centrist position, then the middle ground is going to be center-left.

01:19:44.000 Anyway, we'll wrap it up there.

01:19:45.000 It's been fun.

01:19:45.000 Thanks for hanging out with us.

01:19:46.000 Appreciate it.

01:19:47.000 And for everybody who was hanging out and called in, we'll wrap it up.

01:19:51.000 Oh, it was fun.

01:19:52.000 Wild day.

01:19:53.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

01:19:54.000 Smash the like button, whatever.

01:19:55.000 I don't know.

01:19:56.000 We're not on YouTube anymore.

01:19:57.000 Kurt, thanks for hanging out.

01:19:58.000 It was a blast.

01:19:58.000 Of course.

01:19:58.000 Yeah, no, no.

01:19:59.000 It was good.

01:19:59.000 Didn't mean to close by debating abortion and civil war.

01:20:01.000 Oh, it was good, though.

01:20:02.000 It was fun.

01:20:02.000 It was good.

01:20:04.000 And thanks for everybody else.

01:20:04.000 We'll be back tomorrow and whatever.

01:20:06.000 Adios.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 17, 2024

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