Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Sunday Uncensored: Fenix Ammo Members Only Podcast

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00:00:22.000 One of the challenges with doing the members only shows live is knowing exactly when the

00:00:37.000 live starts because as much as we love our friends over at Rumble, they don't have the

00:00:42.000 same kind of studio monitor system that YouTube does that shows us the live and then you press

00:00:46.000 go live.

00:00:47.000 So we press go live with our broadcasting software and then I actually just don't know if we're live or not.

00:00:54.000 So I just start talking.

00:00:55.000 But, you know, the assumption is we are.

00:00:57.000 And so here we are.

00:00:58.000 And we're going to talk about we got this crazy story about from the Daily Mail exclusive.

00:01:03.000 Chicago inmates claim jail guards are pressuring them to illegally vote in the mayoral election.

00:01:10.000 Well, how about that one?

00:01:11.000 So, Serge is currently not in the room, I don't know where he's at.

00:01:14.000 But he'll press the buttons when he gets back, I'm pretty sure.

00:01:16.000 Check out this story, and then we can just leave it here and start talking about it.

00:01:19.000 So, you get Donald Trump, you get Republicans, MAGA, everybody's talking about illegally voting and all that stuff, and the concerns about elections.

00:01:25.000 There's a viral video coming from the Cary Lake camp of a guy saying he's spending his own time and money trying to get to the bottom of this election stuff because he cares about this country.

00:01:33.000 Take a look at this story.

00:01:34.000 Chicago inmates have claimed they are being pressured to illegally vote in the city's mayoral election.

00:01:39.000 The inmates, some of whom are accused of murder, argued guards at Cook County Jail were pushing them to vote despite some of them being registered in a different jurisdiction.

00:01:51.000 They claimed the guards were receiving orders from higher-ups and were, quote, just doing what I'm told when confronted over the move.

00:01:57.000 It comes amid fears of ballot harvesting, as insiders claimed the jail was the ideal environment due to no cameras or election observers. 0.99

00:02:05.000 Holy shit. 0.97

00:02:08.000 It also raised concerns it could propel Lori Lightfoot back into office despite her languishing on just 13% in the polls. 0.99

00:02:15.000 They're outright saying they're ballot harvesting in prisons to support the Democrat candidate in Chicago.

00:02:22.000 I, when I heard this, shocked me.

00:02:23.000 I thought this, I was like, OK, prisoners are saying this.

00:02:26.000 Let's let's investigate.

00:02:28.000 But apparently the guards acknowledged that, yes, they're doing what they were told in their attempt to ballot harvest.

00:02:33.000 Who told them?

00:02:35.000 I just I just kind of feel like You know, I say it all the time, the night is always darkest before the dawn. 0.96

00:02:40.000 What that really means is, shit's gonna hit the fan and you better be ready to start rebuilding, cause work is gonna be hard. 0.96

00:02:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:47.000 Hard times. 0.99

00:02:48.000 Hard times are coming.

00:02:49.000 So I hope you guys have downloaded some survival guides, gotten out of the cities.

00:02:53.000 It is kind of crazy to me how many people will say stuff like, I've not gotten out of the city because it's too difficult.

00:02:59.000 And I'm kind of like, maybe, like I get that it is difficult, but I know a lot of people who got out of cities and have really cut their costs. 0.90

00:03:07.000 Quality of life went down a little bit, but I mean, look, if you want to live in the city and you want to wait for whatever the fuck is coming to come, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, man. 0.91

00:03:15.000 Do your thing. 0.96

00:03:16.000 But, uh, I don't know.

00:03:17.000 What do you think?

00:03:17.000 Do you think, get out of the cities?

00:03:19.000 Where are you?

00:03:19.000 Are you in the cities?

00:03:20.000 I mean, I almost moved to downtown Detroit, uh, back, you know, when I was looking for a house originally, because it was up and coming at the time.

00:03:28.000 There were good deals.

00:03:29.000 It was, uh, You know, they had all these loft apartments and they were doing some cool things down there.

00:03:36.000 And in retrospect, I'm so glad I didn't do that.

00:03:39.000 I managed to find a couple acres of property in a good city in an area where I would never be able to afford it now.

00:03:46.000 It just happened to be the end of the of the housing crash.

00:03:48.000 You know, it was like 2010 where we were just starting to come back up from the housing crash.

00:03:53.000 So, you know, I wish I had 40 acres, 20 miles further west of where I'm at.

00:03:59.000 But Yeah, man, it's, you just, you can't imagine the amount of chaos that would happen in even, I mean, right now, Michigan had a bad weather storm last week, and like, my neighbor hasn't had power for six days at this point, seven days, he's running on a generator, that's fine.

00:04:23.000 But when you do that in a major Metropolitan area with high-rise apartment buildings and you know Not everybody can just go plug a generator and everybody's on city water. 0.77

00:04:32.000 Everybody's on city sewer Like that's gonna be a fucking nightmare and If you think this is what I suggest everybody read who lives in a city You need to read a book called shit hits the fans stories by selco Begovic you can buy it on Amazon and This guy lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian Civil War and it's basically just a diary of all the things that he saw and It's fucking unreal. 0.62

00:05:02.000 I mean, you know, he'll be like telling he'll start a story off with I heard a song on the radio today and it reminded me of when I was trapped in this building because I was like out searching for food and this Roving band of people came in so I had to hide under some rubble and I sat there for two days while they raped four women and all I could hear was them screaming and then they killed him and 0.95

00:05:32.000 They kept playing this song on their Walkman as they were doing it.

00:05:37.000 And he's like, now every time I hear that song on the radio, that's the only thing I can think of.

00:05:40.000 And it's like, that's the kind of world that you guys are going to, like, the people, anti-gun people are so funny to me because They just don't understand how the world works without guns, right?

00:05:51.000 Like why did we develop guns? 0.94

00:05:53.000 We developed guns because at some point some small caveman got sick of getting his ass kicked by the big caveman and he picked up a rock and he fucking hit him in the head and he killed him with it and then eventually he decided I can hit him from with this rock from 10 feet away and it's much safer and then I can sharpen this rock and put it at the end of a stick and And I can hit him from 50 yards away. 0.97

00:06:13.000 Then eventually he took certain parts of, core elements of a rock, melted them all together to make a very small, dense rock. 0.98

00:06:20.000 A small but very fast rock, exactly.

00:06:24.000 Human beings are different than apes because our shoulders are designed to throw objects. 0.99

00:06:28.000 That's a specific functional difference in the design of our shoulder capsule versus primates.

00:06:33.000 Guns?

00:06:33.000 Theirs were meant to hang more and ours were meant to wind up and throw things. It's built

00:06:39.000 into our DNA. So the point is like, if you don't have a gun when the shit hits the fan and you're 0.99

00:06:46.000 small or incapable or whatever, like you're going to be the first to die. 1.00

00:06:52.000 Guns are just the modernized rock throwing.

00:06:55.000 It's like the story.

00:06:55.000 Correct.

00:06:55.000 Exactly.

00:06:57.000 I read the story.

00:06:58.000 Yeah.

00:06:58.000 Exactly.

00:06:58.000 I was talking about how first I got picked up a rock and hit somebody with it.

00:07:02.000 Then he threw the rock.

00:07:03.000 Then they put small rocks on the ends of sticks and started throwing the sticks and they got the bow and arrow.

00:07:08.000 It's all about taking rocks.

00:07:09.000 Eventually get to the point where we're smelting metals and we're making different kinds of rocks.

00:07:14.000 And a gun takes a tiny, small, dense piece of matter and propels it.

00:07:18.000 Real fast rock.

00:07:19.000 I think about that and I'm like, then what's the next level?

00:07:22.000 If we went from picking up rock and throwing it to bow and arrow, spear, whatever, and now we're at a combustion-propelled rock, spinning it for accuracy and then ripping it through someone's body, what's the next level in rock throwing?

00:07:36.000 I mean, there's guys working on that.

00:07:37.000 There's a guy that was at the Guns and Bitcoin Conference that was working on like piezoelectric primers.

00:07:42.000 He's trying to, because primers have always been the one chink in the supply chain, right? 1.00

00:07:49.000 They're very hard to make.

00:07:51.000 Why?

00:07:51.000 And so, because it's real chemistry, they're very small, you gotta make them and they're very precise.

00:07:57.000 It's just not something your average person can make.

00:08:00.000 The chemicals needed for it.

00:08:01.000 The chemical compounds.

00:08:02.000 Are harder than say, just standard smokeless powder.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, like lead azide and stuff.

00:08:06.000 It's nasty chemicals, they're very volatile.

00:08:08.000 But all you need to do is ignite the.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, you need to ignite the powder.

00:08:12.000 So his Twitter handle is Suckaboy Tony.

00:08:16.000 And he was like, you know, I made this Twitter handle before I ever thought I was going to be doing anything important.

00:08:21.000 So now I'm like, I'm developing this stuff and my name is like Suckaboy Tony.

00:08:24.000 Really cool guy.

00:08:25.000 But anyway, he's developing piezoelectric primers, trying to get like electronic ignition.

00:08:30.000 And so then, you know, the next evolution is, I don't know, Elon invents some kind of laser gun that's solar powered.

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00:09:43.000 You know, powder and combustion and projectiles and so.

00:09:48.000 I think ballistics will stick around, though, because even in space combat, we'll have electric weaponry that'll be absorbable by shields, and then we'll need ballistics that shields can't stop.

00:09:56.000 Yeah, it'll be a long time before we can get fully away from ballistics, I agree.

00:10:00.000 And it's funny, the word ballistic has ball at the very center, which is ballistic, you know?

00:10:05.000 Here's what it's gonna be.

00:10:06.000 We're gonna teleport the rock right into their body.

00:10:09.000 And then pull it back to you very quickly?

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:11.000 So it'll just be like you'll have this canister you're holding on the sides with the bullet in it and you'll aim it and click it and it'll just warp in and out and the person will just collapse.

00:10:23.000 Collapse.

00:10:24.000 What's the modern day bayonet?

00:10:26.000 You know how we used to need bayonets because eventually you get into close combat?

00:10:29.000 Is there something that will eventually drop off the sidearm?

00:10:32.000 Most people in the military, I mean yeah, if you talk to real military people they'll tell you like if you're using your handgun like you've got real problems.

00:10:41.000 So how many people get stabbed in modern combat?

00:10:44.000 Not many, aside from a very particular circumstance where you have to be quiet and making noise would be a bad thing, or you're literally on your last ditch effort.

00:10:57.000 But I don't think they even issue bayonets anymore.

00:10:59.000 No, I just meant like what's the technology that they will take off of guns?

00:11:03.000 Like we don't need it anymore.

00:11:06.000 Well, you know, optics are changing.

00:11:07.000 So, um, for example, like, you know, a lot of people don't have iron sights on their rifles anymore because iron sights are like, you know, the standard, like the post and you got to line up, you know, so now everything is modern optics where you have like a red dot or a scope or something like that.

00:11:21.000 And the technology on those is getting robust enough that they can survive, um, you know, excessive forces and being dropped.

00:11:28.000 The batteries are lasting longer.

00:11:29.000 Some of them, um, are powered by fiber optics and solar so you're getting away from batteries entirely so there are a lot of people that don't like there's sort of this movement and people are well you got to have backup sites because what happens if your optic breaks and then the other half is like well even if the optic breaks I can still see through the glass and so if you if you train that way and you know that you know the the glass and the optic is this big

00:11:56.000 And I know that from here to that door, let's say, if I see the guy in the window, I'm going to pull the trigger.

00:12:02.000 Do I hit him exactly where I want to?

00:12:03.000 No, but if it's two inches high, it's not that big of a deal from 15 feet.

00:12:08.000 Have you seen the show Last of Us?

00:12:11.000 No, I haven't.

00:12:12.000 You know what it's about?

00:12:13.000 Yeah, I know the premise of it, yeah.

00:12:14.000 So it's like, I think it's what, 20 years?

00:12:17.000 It's the cordyceps mushroom.

00:12:20.000 And it like takes place, I think like 20 years after civilization has collapsed.

00:12:24.000 And so there's a scene where he's got some kind of AR and he stores it, you know, in the floor of some abandoned building.

00:12:31.000 And Ellie, the chick, she's like, why?

00:12:33.000 And he's like, not a lot of ammo for these things these days.

00:12:36.000 So he's just getting rid of it.

00:12:37.000 I'm curious as somebody who makes ammo, what would happen if society broke down to this degree?

00:12:43.000 How hard would it be for you to make ammo for a modern rifle?

00:12:46.000 Like let's say you needed to make a 5.56.

00:12:48.000 Would you be able to do it on your own?

00:12:51.000 No.

00:12:51.000 I mean, functionally, no.

00:12:55.000 Primers.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, you can't make the primer.

00:12:58.000 You can't make the smokeless powder.

00:12:59.000 I mean, again, that's real chemistry. 1.00

00:13:01.000 You're talking about... You're going to be using one of those motherfuckers over there. 1.00

00:13:04.000 The muzzle-loaded Civil War musket I got. 1.00

00:13:04.000 Oh, the musket? 1.00

00:13:06.000 Yeah, like, you can make black powder.

00:13:07.000 Have we ever showed that on the show?

00:13:09.000 I don't know.

00:13:10.000 Because we're not allowed to show it on YouTube, I don't think.

00:13:11.000 That's so crazy.

00:13:12.000 I'll go grab it.

00:13:14.000 Talk about guns, I'll grab it. 0.99

00:13:14.000 It's a nice looking weapon. 0.99

00:13:16.000 I mean, it would take a while for us to get through when you think, you know, there's like 100 million gun owners in the United States, about 30% of the population.

00:13:26.000 And if that 100 million gun owners each collectively owns only, only 100 rounds of ammunition, that's a billion rounds, right?

00:13:37.000 Is that camera off?

00:13:37.000 Yeah, I'll turn that one on.

00:13:42.000 So, in the hands of the civilian population in the United States, there's likely more than a trillion rounds of ammunition, would be the low-end estimate.

00:13:52.000 If there was a situation where the population, like if society had fallen, we can't manufacture ammo, how many dollars, assuming the dollar's worth what it's worth right now, today, on February 27th, 2023, how many dollars would a bullet be worth?

00:14:07.000 I mean, if there's no supply left?

00:14:09.000 Yeah, no one had bullets.

00:14:10.000 I mean, like, at that point, the question isn't how many dollars is it worth?

00:14:14.000 The question is, like, how many Bic lighters is it worth?

00:14:18.000 How many cans of sardines is it worth?

00:14:20.000 I mean, again, read Chit Hits the Fan Stories, and you'll kind of get what I'm saying, because that's the reality of it.

00:14:26.000 Like, these guys were bartering.

00:14:27.000 This is the Bosnian Civil War.

00:14:29.000 I mean, this occurred in Sarajevo, which hosted the Olympics only four or five years prior to a literal, full-out civil war.

00:14:36.000 So, it's a good measure for what you could expect to see in an American city, because it was pretty much a first world city when it was going on.

00:14:43.000 And so, that's what he talks about is, like, the value of something is only what it's worth.

00:14:47.000 And so, if you're starving and hungry, then a bullet is worth nothing, but a chocolate bar is worth everything.

00:14:53.000 Were people trading bullets in Syria?

00:14:55.000 Yeah, they were.

00:14:55.000 And, you know, that country didn't have the same proliferation of weapons that we have here.

00:15:01.000 So, some people had weapons, some people didn't.

00:15:04.000 But they were trading everything for everything.

00:15:07.000 I mean they were trading sex, they were trading companionship, they were trading ammunition, food, whatever it took.

00:15:16.000 A lot of his stories are him meeting up for somebody to trade something for something and The lesson is like you have to understand what you're getting yourself into if you're like you never bring everything you have to the meeting Because that's when you get killed, right? 0.99

00:15:32.000 I mean that's when they see that you're the guy with 15 cans of sardines And so yeah, you do the trade and then they follow you back to your place and then they fucking kill you that uh That is a rifled musket. 0.93

00:15:42.000 It's a model. 0.95

00:15:43.000 Yeah model 1861 I think it is Uh, rifled musket, muzzle loaded, 50 cal.

00:15:50.000 I think we, it's never been fired before.

00:15:53.000 That's a, uh, that rifle was surplus Union military, and so they had like 10,000 of them made, put them in storage, never got to use them, the war ended, and now there's a bunch of these that float around.

00:16:05.000 I was able to get one at an antique shop, they're pretty cool.

00:16:07.000 But, uh, in the event, I was reading about it, because I also have this thing behind me, which is, uh, it's real.

00:16:14.000 It's a, it's a, it's a real, I don't, I don't, like, I'm not gonna tell YouTube that, I guess.

00:16:14.000 Yeah.

00:16:19.000 But, uh... It's antique firearm.

00:16:22.000 It's not.

00:16:23.000 It's legally classified that way, but it's actually a modern, sporting, muzzle-loaded .50 caliber.

00:16:29.000 Luke got it for me for my birthday, and it's not classified as a gun.

00:16:32.000 So it is real, but it is not legally a gun.

00:16:34.000 The crazy thing, it came by USPS.

00:16:38.000 It's legally classified as antique, even though it's used.

00:16:40.000 Antique firearm, yeah, because of the technology, right?

00:16:42.000 Yeah, Silencer Co.

00:16:43.000 was trying to, I don't think that they have it anymore, but they were selling basically a muzzle-loader musket But this is the best part, with an integrated silencer.

00:16:55.000 And because it was all one piece, they could legally ship it to your house.

00:17:01.000 Yeah.

00:17:01.000 No.

00:17:02.000 Because the definition of silencer didn't include... I can't remember exactly what the language was, but more or less you could sell it directly to somebody.

00:17:12.000 I started looking up, how would you make black powder in the event shit hits the fan? 1.00

00:17:16.000 And it's like, bat shit? 1.00

00:17:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:19.000 What is it? 1.00

00:17:20.000 It's bat shit? 1.00

00:17:21.000 That was in the Anarchist Cookbook. 1.00

00:17:22.000 What do you need?

00:17:23.000 Saltpeter or something like that?

00:17:24.000 Yeah, saltpeter.

00:17:25.000 Ammonium nitrate?

00:17:26.000 Yeah, ammonium nitrate.

00:17:27.000 I mean, back in my misspent youth, that was the big thing in the 90s.

00:17:29.000 That was like the first book.

00:17:35.000 Yeah, sulfur, I think.

00:17:37.000 That was like the first book.

00:17:38.000 Potassium permanganate, maybe.

00:17:39.000 It's not like it's easy, but it's something a single person can do.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, you can do it for sure.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, that was the big thing.

00:17:47.000 What's smokeless powder made of, though?

00:17:49.000 You couldn't do that, right?

00:17:50.000 You couldn't.

00:17:51.000 Again, that's like real chemistry.

00:17:53.000 Crazy.

00:17:54.000 Just no way to do it.

00:17:55.000 But, uh, if you had, if you found an old rifled musket, you could make the black powder and you could make some rudimentary firearm.

00:18:04.000 You know what the first revolver was?

00:18:07.000 It was muzzle loaded.

00:18:13.000 Yep, muzzleload the cylinder or whatever, and then you would fire it, flintlock, and then rotate it.

00:18:20.000 It might have been percussion cap, but I think it might have been flintlock actually.

00:18:23.000 No, it had to be percussion cap, and you would hand rotate it.

00:18:26.000 You'd fire, and then you'd spin it, and then you'd fire, and then you'd spin it.

00:18:29.000 And then there were, back in the 1300s, they had what I refer to as fully automatic.

00:18:35.000 But I had a bunch of gun nuts be like, it's not fully automatic and that's not what it means.

00:18:38.000 Of course.

00:18:39.000 What they would do is they would have like 12 barrels.

00:18:41.000 They would all be muzzle loaded.

00:18:43.000 Right.

00:18:43.000 And then a single pull would fire all of them.

00:18:47.000 And I'm like, that's close enough to full auto.

00:18:49.000 You know what I'm trying to say, you know, come on.

00:18:51.000 You know, but they were like, no, that's not.

00:18:53.000 I mean, when all the ammunition is running, it runs out, then people are going to be killing each other with like potato guns.

00:18:59.000 You know, they're going to put a heavy object into a tube of some kind with any kind of propellant.

00:19:03.000 I mean, again, that's what we did when we were kids.

00:19:05.000 You put used, you know, hairspray and some PVC tubes.

00:19:07.000 The rubber band guns.

00:19:08.000 Yeah, rubber band guns.

00:19:10.000 Yeah, that's like the most.

00:19:11.000 Rubber band.

00:19:11.000 We have those downstairs where you put the rubber bands and it's a full auto or it's semi-automatic.

00:19:17.000 You can go click, click, click and it fires all the rubber bands at people.

00:19:19.000 How do the potato guns work?

00:19:20.000 I mean, it's just a PVC tube.

00:19:23.000 You put a potato in one end, you cap off the other end, and then you have a hole where you use like hairspray or something that's flammable, but not like particularly explosive, let's say.

00:19:34.000 And you light it with a match and it expands, gases expand, and it propels the potato.

00:19:40.000 A tennis ball or whatever you want.

00:19:41.000 Tyler Smith says, LARPing with a musket.

00:19:43.000 LARPing?

00:19:43.000 I bought an antique.

00:19:45.000 I bought an antique.

00:19:45.000 I like antiques.

00:19:46.000 But someone also, let me make sure I get your name in here, who suggested this.

00:19:52.000 Lynch Mob says, compound bow, you can always reuse arrows.

00:19:55.000 Yeah, so I actually last year, I used to, we have a couple of compound bows

00:20:00.000 and we have a compound, we have some recurve, we have some composites. 0.98

00:20:05.000 I have a Hungarian traditional composite bow and it's just like, you know, it's weak as shit. 0.99

00:20:12.000 Small. 0.98

00:20:13.000 But the compound, I used to go up, and I actually got pretty good not knowing what the fuck I was doing with that thing.

00:20:20.000 And, you know, probably the sights didn't work or anything, so it was never calibrated properly, but I could stand on the balcony, and this is probably like, what do you think that is, 150 yards?

00:20:31.000 To the target?

00:20:31.000 Yeah.

00:20:32.000 Something like that.

00:20:33.000 Yeah.

00:20:33.000 Maybe a hundred yards.

00:20:34.000 A hundred yards?

00:20:35.000 And I could hit like, I could hit a six inch target, maybe like one in four with a compound bow.

00:20:42.000 The, uh, the, the, what do we have?

00:20:46.000 Like we have, oh no, no, no.

00:20:47.000 The six inch target I could hit like every time.

00:20:49.000 We had a smaller one that I hit like one in four and it would go bing!

00:20:52.000 And I actually was, I'd go out every morning and I would just fire off a bunch of arrows at it.

00:20:57.000 It was awesome.

00:20:58.000 Maybe schools should start requiring kids to do an archery course instead of gym class.

00:20:58.000 That was so much fun.

00:21:02.000 My high school did.

00:21:03.000 They used to have gun class.

00:21:06.000 4-H still does.

00:21:07.000 There are shooting teams and stuff, but it would be harder to get guns into public schools.

00:21:10.000 But my public high school did archery in lieu of gym.

00:21:15.000 It's like basics of self-defense.

00:21:18.000 Public schools in Detroit that had gun ranges like in the basement.

00:21:23.000 It used to be a part.

00:21:24.000 I mean, I learned how to shoot in Cub Scout.

00:21:27.000 Did you see the Australian guy who had a gun range in his basement?

00:21:30.000 That was awesome.

00:21:31.000 Whoa, man.

00:21:31.000 Yeah.

00:21:32.000 That was badass.

00:21:33.000 Yeah, in his basement, he had a thing that like the Couch lifted up, went underground, shooting tunnel, arsenal

00:21:40.000 and they caught him. 0.99

00:21:41.000 And I guess he's not going to jail, they just find him and took his shit from him. 0.99

00:21:44.000 They took his guns, yeah. 1.00

00:21:45.000 Fucking Australia. 1.00

00:21:46.000 I know a guy who's in the construction industry and he built an indoor range in the basement 1.00

00:21:50.000 of some $4 million house or whatever and they dug along, it was only maybe 25 yards I think,

00:21:56.000 but it's all concrete so it's pretty much soundproof and it's in his...

00:22:00.000 Don't you need to go in the tunnel to fix it and clean it periodically and stuff?

00:22:05.000 Yeah, I don't know exactly how he designed it particularly, but depending on the trap, I mean, it's all about volume.

00:22:10.000 I mean, your gun range trap's taking hundreds of thousands of bullets a month, and so there's a lot of maintenance.

00:22:15.000 But a rubber bullet trap is pretty... I've got a rubber bullet trap in my garage that I'll use unofficially to test things.

00:22:23.000 And it's basically just a garbage can full of rubber playground mulch.

00:22:26.000 It costs me like 50 bucks to build.

00:22:28.000 Really?

00:22:29.000 It'll stop everything up to like 30-06.

00:22:30.000 Oh, wow.

00:22:31.000 Do you actually use rubber bullets in testing?

00:22:34.000 No, no, it's real bullets.

00:22:35.000 It's hitting rubber?

00:22:36.000 It's hitting rubber.

00:22:37.000 That's what's at the end of the berms.

00:22:40.000 It's basically just rubber playground mulch in a lot of cases, and it slows down the bullet if you have enough depth.

00:22:47.000 Is there any way to reuse a bullet?

00:22:50.000 I mean, theoretically, if you shot it into sand or rubber or something where it was completely undeformed, I mean, it would have rifling in it from the barrel you shot it through.

00:23:02.000 So, you know, could you reload that and shoot it again?

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:06.000 I mean, what would your accuracy be?

00:23:07.000 Who knows? 0.93

00:23:08.000 But if you needed to do it to shoot somebody at 10 feet, you know, right.

00:23:13.000 I should I have the shotguns are more fun.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, I have this little single shot pistol that has no rifling in the barrel at all.

00:23:20.000 And it was kind of designed by this weird guy.

00:23:23.000 It's really cool.

00:23:25.000 Actually, I bought it just from the novelty.

00:23:27.000 But Yeah, 20 feet.

00:23:29.000 I mean, I'm not going to stand in front of it.

00:23:32.000 Exotic shotgun shells are just way better and way more fun.

00:23:35.000 Like, I am keeping up the range on fire, which I mean, don't drag the dragon's breath.

00:23:41.000 Luke bought some and we went to the range when it was covered in snow because, like, you know, you don't want to take a drag when it's dry out.

00:23:50.000 For those unfamiliar or an indoor range ever.

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:53.000 It's full of magnesium, I think.

00:23:53.000 It's a shotgun shell.

00:23:54.000 Right.

00:23:55.000 So it sprays flaming metal.

00:23:57.000 Right.

00:23:58.000 It's pretty badass.

00:23:59.000 Yeah, there's uh We ordered a bunch of exotic rounds a while ago, and they've got what is it?

00:24:06.000 What is it called?

00:24:07.000 Lashay or something? 0.95

00:24:08.000 Flushay rounds.

00:24:08.000 Flushay rounds, that's one.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, like it's like blades, right?

00:24:11.000 Little darts or blades.

00:24:12.000 Yeah Yeah, so you it's a shotgun shell full of blades and needles and you shoot them and it just sticks and it's Flushay, not Flushet.

00:24:21.000 I think it's cliché.

00:24:22.000 It's French, so I think it's cliché.

00:24:22.000 I could be wrong.

00:24:25.000 I've been thinking about getting a shotgun. 0.99

00:24:26.000 There's a bunch of weird shit you can get. 0.99

00:24:27.000 I think shotgun's the way to go. 1.00

00:24:29.000 Is it that they don't care about the NFA and all that shit? 0.99

00:24:32.000 You don't want a shotgun, bro. 0.97

00:24:33.000 Yeah, shotguns, the methodology on that is changing.

00:24:36.000 It used to be, oh, get a shotgun because you got a big spread. 0.80

00:24:39.000 Here's the deal.

00:24:41.000 At about 30 feet, the spread out of a shotgun with double-aught buckshot is only maybe about three inches.

00:24:47.000 It's not as big as you think it is.

00:24:49.000 And 30 feet is longer than the hallway in most people I mean my house I've got a kind of like an open floor plan house and end to end it's only maybe 35 feet so the spread isn't as big as and the recoil the recoil is pretty bad semi-auto shotguns aren't terrible but the recoil is tough the round count is low you know a semi-auto shotgun is going to have maybe six plus one eight plus one They're heavy, and they're long, and they're unwieldy.

00:25:13.000 I mean, really what you want is a short-barreled rifle, which is why the NFA needs to be repealed.

00:25:19.000 It shouldn't exist.

00:25:20.000 We're regulating modern firearms based on a law that was written in the 1930s.

00:25:26.000 For your house, would you rather have like a Remington 12-gauge, or would you rather have like a Ruger 10-22?

00:25:34.000 I mean, given those two, I'd probably take the, me personally, I would take the shotgun for sure.

00:25:38.000 Cause I've trained with a shotgun.

00:25:40.000 Single shot probably ends it.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 I'm thinking about like, if I have a shotgun in my house.

00:25:46.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:25:47.000 You said single.

00:25:47.000 Well then I'm taking the Ruger 1022.

00:25:49.000 No, no, no.

00:25:49.000 I'm saying you finish the job with one shot.

00:25:51.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 But like, you're going to have like six shells, whereas the Ruger 1022, you could have like 60.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:57.000 I mean, if you're crazy, you have like a hundred round drum, which probably going to jam, I'd imagine.

00:26:01.000 But I'm thinking about if I have a gun in my house, something that anybody could pick up and probably use without really worrying about it, and you've got 30 rounds in a Ruger 10-22, you're gonna... I feel like the average person defending... You could probably deal with that.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, like people don't realize when Biden was like, get a shotgun, fire it in the air, like a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:26:22.000 The average person who's, they think shotguns are like good home defense. 1.00

00:26:25.000 It's like, you better be ready for a buckshot recoil.

00:26:27.000 It's not the same.

00:26:28.000 Plus the noise. 1.00

00:26:29.000 Like I can tell you this, as somebody who has fired a shotgun inside of an enclosed space with no hearing protection, you're fucked. 0.99

00:26:37.000 I mean, it like, and again, that's why we should be deregulating suppressors. 0.99

00:26:41.000 That's why I've got a suppressor on my, the rifle that I've got in my bedroom because When I shoot somebody, I'm going to have to call the cops.

00:26:49.000 And I'm going to have to be able to hear them.

00:26:52.000 I'm going to have to be able to take direction.

00:26:53.000 I may have to communicate with the person I just shot, my family, my neighbors, who knows?

00:26:58.000 This is the thing people don't understand.

00:26:59.000 Like, uh, I'm watching Yellowstone cause I have to make sure everybody knows, but there's a scene where someone shoots a horse and he just walks up, pulls out a gun and shoots it right there with like no hearing protection or anything.

00:27:08.000 And it's like, I get he's outside.

00:27:10.000 Sure.

00:27:10.000 But still, it's like... It's still loud outside.

00:27:13.000 Yeah.

00:27:13.000 And indoors, I mean, it's absolutely deafening.

00:27:16.000 I mean, you can't even imagine.

00:27:17.000 What's your ideal home defense?

00:27:21.000 Would it be short-barreled rifle, 9mm frangible or something like that?

00:27:24.000 Yeah, not frangible.

00:27:26.000 55-grain .223 is designed to fragment.

00:27:29.000 I mean, 55-grain standard FMJ, 55-grain .223 will penetrate fewer walls than a 9mm.

00:27:36.000 You'd rather use that inside your house?

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:39.000 Is it a little bit more powerful?

00:27:41.000 Like, it's not going to go through the walls?

00:27:43.000 Do you think it's a better choice?

00:27:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:45.000 I mean, I have our Phoenix Ammo 75 grain home defense round in mind, but same thing.

00:27:51.000 I mean, the velocity at hallway distance is going to be almost muzzle velocity, so 2,600 feet per second.

00:27:58.000 It's going to tumble and fragment.

00:28:00.000 I mean, it's gonna be an exciting.

00:28:01.000 That's a lot, right?

00:28:02.000 Oh, yeah, it's high.

00:28:03.000 Because I've got like 1911 and 45 and it's very slow.

00:28:08.000 Oh yeah, pistols are pistols, rifles are rifles.

00:28:10.000 I mean, that's the mantra.

00:28:11.000 But you know, like a 20 inch barrel AR, it's coming out at like 3,100 feet per second.

00:28:16.000 So extremely fast.

00:28:17.000 That's gonna cavitate, isn't it?

00:28:18.000 It can cause, yeah, I mean, everything's gonna cavitate to a degree.

00:28:23.000 It depends on the size of the cavitation, but what you want is like, the important thing is, um, 55 grain FMJ 223 will not tumble and fragment reliably under like 23 to 2,400 feet per second.

00:28:36.000 So that's the number.

00:28:37.000 If you shorten the barrel too much, then you lose too much velocity.

00:28:40.000 So there's a middle ground, but again, inside your house at 30 feet, you know, if you have a 10 inch barrel AR, that's fine.

00:28:49.000 Is that going to be great out to 400 yards?

00:28:50.000 Probably not.

00:28:51.000 I mean, can you hit a target at 400 yards?

00:28:53.000 I have, so it's not the ideal.

00:28:56.000 I got a Bolt Action 17 Super Mag and the guys at the shop told me that it's for critters and it vaporizes them.

00:29:04.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:29:06.000 that red mist erupts. They just blow up. Yeah, I mean we use, uh, um...

00:29:12.000 Poor fucking thing. I mean, you know, it's a small target. 0.99

00:29:14.000 I want to get the fever out of my yard, I want to blow it up.

00:29:15.000 Yeah, well, it's out of your yard. Can I ask you a question?

00:29:18.000 Yeah. What do you think's the biggest misconception people who are afraid of guns or don't

00:29:22.000 like guns have about the industry?

00:29:25.000 About the industry or...

00:29:28.000 Or about guns?

00:29:28.000 about gun owners, either one.

00:29:31.000 I would say, like, you know, the comment I hear a lot from people on the anti-gun side is,

00:29:36.000 what are you so afraid of that's making you carry a gun every day?

00:29:41.000 Like, you just, you.

00:29:43.000 You must live in fear because you carry a gun everywhere.

00:29:46.000 It's an easy argument.

00:29:47.000 Before I say that, just say to him, be like, I don't know, I saw this video of this guy,

00:29:50.000 you ever hear George Floyd?

00:29:51.000 And I was just like, wow.

00:29:52.000 I don't want to get George Floyded.

00:29:56.000 It's an easy argument to win because, and like I can talk about that, that's a whole

00:30:01.000 different discussion, but that's, it's an easy argument to win because you say, well,

00:30:05.000 you have a spare tire in your car, what are you so afraid of?

00:30:08.000 You know, you've got a fire extinguisher in your house, what are you so afraid of?

00:30:11.000 You must live in fear every day of fires.

00:30:12.000 You must live in fear every day of your house burning down.

00:30:14.000 I don't fear anywhere that I go, and it's not just because I'm carrying a gun, it's because I do plenty of other things that I hope makes me prepared.

00:30:25.000 I have a med kit in my truck.

00:30:30.000 Carrying a gun makes you aware of more than just the fact that you have a gun.

00:30:35.000 You tend to be a little bit more aware of your surroundings.

00:30:39.000 something that becomes ingrained in your head. So I think that's the biggest misconception is that

00:30:44.000 people who carry guns are somehow afraid of something or like, oh you just can't wait to

00:30:48.000 shoot somebody. I've heard some people say that they feel like they're inviting violence, like

00:30:52.000 if you bring a gun then you yourself. I think of it exactly the opposite. I mean I can tell you that

00:30:57.000 like when I'm carrying a gun the last thing that I'm going to do is get involved in some petty 0.99

00:31:02.000 fight with some idiot over a parking space or you know the last xbox at walmart or something because 1.00

00:31:08.000 I know that. 1.00

00:31:10.000 I'm going to be the one who's looked at as the bad guy.

00:31:13.000 Whether I pulled my gun or not, that's what's going to be the headline is, gun owner gets in a fight in the Walmart.

00:31:19.000 And that's all that you're ever going to hear about.

00:31:21.000 CPL holders, this is true, I think it's true nationwide, but there was actually a study that confirmed this in Texas and in Florida.

00:31:29.000 People who have a concealed pistol license are the Most law-abiding group of people in the entire United States and that includes police officers.

00:31:40.000 People with a concealed pistol license commit fewer crimes than police officers.

00:31:44.000 So this idea that getting a concealed pistol license means that you're just gonna like wild west it and you can't wait to shoot somebody and get into a gunfight.

00:31:51.000 And they probably come from people who have no experience with guns.

00:31:57.000 And that's why most of the gun control arguments are emotional, not fact-based.

00:32:02.000 And they probably come from people who have no experience with guns.

00:32:04.000 They don't have friends with guns.

00:32:05.000 They don't have any experience with guns and never been around.

00:32:07.000 And I mean, like, you know, understand, I didn't really, I grew up with guns in the

00:32:12.000 sense that I shot guns when I was like in Cub Scouts, but my parents were not gun owners.

00:32:17.000 I wasn't allowed to play violent video games.

00:32:20.000 I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat.

00:32:22.000 I went over to my friend's house and played it there, but I wasn't allowed to watch pro wrestling.

00:32:27.000 They didn't want me to watch violent movies, so I didn't grow up in this But this is what when I moved into my first apartment and I started dating My first like real serious girlfriend.

00:32:40.000 I I decided like And I was working in downtown Detroit for this insurance company in the you know all the manufacturing companies are in the worst areas of Detroit and And I just decided I have to be not just responsible for myself, but there's other people that I'm now responsible for.

00:32:57.000 I'm not going to be the one to be caught unaware with this woman that I'm dating who is now going to expect me to be able to handle the situation, or I hope she does.

00:33:09.000 I hope that's why she's attracted to me, that she thinks I can Take care of her if I have to and I want my family to feel that way and I want my friends.

00:33:19.000 To me, the worst scenario possible is to be a capable adult human male that is unable to help somebody in a terrible situation.

00:33:34.000 Somebody broken down on the side of the road.

00:33:36.000 I mean, I stopped and helped pull somebody out of a ditch the other day in my truck because I had, you know, a tow rope and it took me five minutes.

00:33:46.000 So that's the way that I see, that's how I got into gun culture in the beginning.

00:33:52.000 It wasn't because I played Call of Duty or my parents were in the military.

00:33:57.000 It was a protection instinct.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, it was a protection instinct.

00:33:59.000 I've never hunted in my life.

00:34:03.000 I have to right now actually record for Freedom Tunes, so we're gonna have to wrap it up here.

00:34:08.000 Being called away, you big star!

00:34:09.000 Fauci's in the news, and Seamus hit me up, and I have a responsibility.

00:34:13.000 But we went for about a half an hour, so it's been a blast talking about guns and hanging out.

00:34:19.000 My pleasure.

00:34:20.000 Absolutely, and for everybody who's a member and you're watching live, We're working on the Discord, which will—so there may or may not be a live component on the actual TimCast.com website, but I think Rumble is working on it.

00:34:32.000 Then we're going to have the Discord either way, so you'll be able to actually call in for certain guests at certain times.

00:34:38.000 Obviously, not every single person who's a member will be able to do so, because we get a couple thousand people watching the members-only shows, but I really do appreciate all of your support.

00:34:46.000 Thanks for hanging out.

00:34:47.000 This week's gonna be pretty cool.

00:34:48.000 We got some good people.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 05, 2023

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