Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - June 26, 2022


Sunday Uncensored: Larry Sharpe Member Podcast: Colbert 'Insurrection' Is Actually Dramatic Escalation In Culture War, We Are Frogs Boiling In A Pot


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Stephen Colbert defends 7 members of his staff who broke into a congressional office building in the dead of night and have to explain why it was not an act of insurrection against the United States government. This is one of the most serious stories in the context of a civil war.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored.
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00:00:20.000 Now, enjoy the show.
00:00:24.000 My friends, I am eternally grateful for all of you as members.
00:00:29.000 These are trying times.
00:00:30.000 Over the past few nights, we have been suffering.
00:00:34.000 Seamus was crying.
00:00:35.000 He wouldn't stop.
00:00:36.000 I was literally crying my eyes out.
00:00:36.000 Crying.
00:00:37.000 Crying.
00:00:38.000 I'm so really affected.
00:00:39.000 Because of the insurrection that took place at the Longworth House building when violent, violent members of Stephen Colbert's staff breached the Longworth building in an act of violence and were arrested.
00:00:58.000 Now Colbert is trying to defend this insurrection against these United States. 0.90
00:01:04.000 Disgusting. 0.63
00:01:05.000 I eat when I'm stressed, so the whole thing has just got me. 0.88
00:01:09.000 Are you eating Sour Patch Kids?
00:01:10.000 Red, white, and blue Sour Patch Kids?
00:01:12.000 I'm trying to reaffirm my wonderful country after it was almost overthrown.
00:01:16.000 That's right.
00:01:17.000 It was almost overthrown by Triumph the Comic Dog.
00:01:20.000 I couldn't believe it.
00:01:20.000 So Stephen Colbert comes out, and he downplays what happened.
00:01:26.000 And here's the funny thing.
00:01:27.000 Just like Trump, by the way.
00:01:29.000 Just like Trump.
00:01:30.000 Let's go to the chase.
00:01:32.000 Tucker Carlson said it was an insurrection.
00:01:34.000 He's obviously being tongue-in-cheek.
00:01:36.000 Stephen Colbert is like, the TV people said it was an insurrection.
00:01:39.000 What?
00:01:40.000 Huh?
00:01:40.000 They weren't even in the Capitol building!
00:01:42.000 Tucker didn't say they were in the Capitol building. 1.00
00:01:44.000 Colbert is a piece of shit. 1.00
00:01:45.000 He's a liar. 1.00
00:01:46.000 This is how they manipulate you. 0.96
00:01:48.000 Tucker Carlson was making a point that when the police opened the door to the Capitol building, not the rioters, but on the other side of the building, one of these guys, his name was Martin something, he gets acquitted because there's a video of him being fanned in by cops.
00:02:03.000 And the judge was like, yeah, he was let in.
00:02:06.000 Colbert's people were told to leave and then broke back in.
00:02:10.000 So this is a combination of things.
00:02:13.000 I don't think we're going to see any real charges, and I think this is an example of the machine protects itself.
00:02:20.000 And I'll add on top of this, which will bring us into the bigger conversation, I suppose.
00:02:24.000 Perhaps I am biased, but we've been threatened and have dealt with so much bullshit, and I wonder why it is law enforcement hasn't done anything about it, haven't found these guys, haven't stopped them. 0.92
00:02:34.000 You know what? 0.81
00:02:34.000 To be fair, with January 6th, it took them months to years to find some of the people involved in the riot. 0.81
00:02:42.000 Maybe in a year we can see the people who have been swatting us and coming after us getting, you know, getting charged or something like that.
00:02:50.000 But I don't know.
00:02:51.000 I view this as... Maybe people don't care this much, but when I was talking about this on the main show that we're frogs in a pot and the water's starting to boil, this story actually, in my opinion, is probably one of the most serious stories in the context of a civil war is coming.
00:03:09.000 Why this one? 0.97
00:03:10.000 Stephen Colbert, late night TV, forced to defend seven staff members who broke into a congressional office building in the dead of night and have to explain away why it was not an act of insurrection against the United States government is fucking nuts. 0.97
00:03:27.000 Was he defending their actions? 0.97
00:03:29.000 He said they were just detained.
00:03:31.000 Yeah, but the issue here is what their argument would be.
00:03:35.000 Let me say what their argument would be.
00:03:38.000 The argument would be that the day they were doing this wasn't stopping a peaceful transfer of power.
00:03:45.000 That's their argument, right?
00:03:46.000 So that's not an insurrection.
00:03:48.000 Right.
00:03:48.000 But then the day that the cops waved in these other people, well, that was the day that there was a transfer of power going on.
00:03:54.000 Sure, sure.
00:03:55.000 So their argument would be that's why it's not an insurrection.
00:03:58.000 So I don't understand why this is the big one.
00:04:00.000 Why is this one the big one?
00:04:00.000 This is one of the biggest stories because a late-night TV show host is directly addressing the culture war and the breakdown of this country.
00:04:08.000 Oh, thank you.
00:04:08.000 Involving himself.
00:04:10.000 So my point is, I obviously understand his point about insurrection, but the issue is Well, actually, I have the tweet right here.
00:04:17.000 You're saying because this guy now has to step up into the culture war, where usually he's controlling the culture war, usually, you're saying now he's in it?
00:04:27.000 Yeah.
00:04:28.000 So I have this.
00:04:29.000 I wrote on Twitter, if this is insurrection, then Colbert's staff did way worse.
00:04:33.000 CNN reported a federal judge found Matthew Martin not guilty of four federal misdemeanor charges related to trespassing, marking the first time a U.S.
00:04:39.000 Capitol riot defendant was acquitted.
00:04:41.000 Martin worked as a contractor, blah, blah, blah.
00:04:42.000 He argued, successfully, a Capitol Police officer waved him into the building.
00:04:46.000 At least one video played during the trial appeared to show an officer moving his arm in a waving motion.
00:04:51.000 Not only that, but they opened the doors.
00:04:53.000 They call that an insurrection.
00:04:55.000 They don't distinguish between those who were let into the building and took selfies with cops, which was many of these people, and those who were fighting with cops on the other side of the building, multiple entrances.
00:05:05.000 Stephen Colbert's staff was told to leave.
00:05:07.000 Got it.
00:05:08.000 They were told not to come back.
00:05:10.000 They were let in, reportedly by Adam Schiff, and they were banging on doors and, like, causing a ruckus after hours.
00:05:17.000 That is worse than what these other people were charged with.
00:05:21.000 The people who are fighting, trying to break in to shut down something, fine.
00:05:25.000 Call it whatever you want.
00:05:26.000 This guy, Matthew Martin, wasn't insurrecting.
00:05:29.000 He wasn't trying to shut down anything.
00:05:31.000 He was let in and he walked around like, you know, they call them MAGA memos.
00:05:36.000 Regardless, I can understand why you'd be like, well, all of these people there were doing something.
00:05:40.000 Sure, whatever.
00:05:41.000 My point is, for one, he's wrong.
00:05:44.000 What his staff did was worse.
00:05:46.000 It wasn't the Capitol building.
00:05:47.000 It was a Longworth building.
00:05:48.000 But the big thing here is, I was kind of shocked to see Stephen Colbert have to come out and talk about his involvement in the culture war.
00:05:57.000 Did he do it on his show?
00:05:59.000 On his show.
00:05:59.000 But what's the outcome of this?
00:06:01.000 Do you think that now he's going to have to back off?
00:06:04.000 Do you think now he triples down?
00:06:06.000 What do you think the outcome is here?
00:06:09.000 Here's the way I'm putting it.
00:06:12.000 We look at this right now and we're like, but nothing happened.
00:06:15.000 His staff were just telling jokes.
00:06:16.000 Why is it a big deal?
00:06:17.000 Because if four years ago I said, In four years, Stephen Colbert, as the host of The Late Show, will have to address why seven of his staff members were arrested after breaking in or being illegally allowed to enter by a Democrat into a Congressional building, and the Capitol Police had already told him to leave, and he explained to his audience of two million people why this was not an insurrection against the federal government. 0.99
00:06:43.000 You'd be like, shut the fuck up! 0.99
00:06:45.000 That's insane! 1.00
00:06:47.000 There's no fucking way a late night comedian is going to go on TV and talk to the entire country and say, my staff did not try to overthrow the government. 1.00
00:06:55.000 That's stupid bullshit. 1.00
00:06:57.000 He's not just a comedian though, he's a political show. 1.00
00:07:00.000 He is, that's true.
00:07:01.000 So I guess where I'm going with this is, this to me goes back to what we talked about earlier, which is, this is becoming the norm.
00:07:08.000 Like, it's okay that we do this now, right?
00:07:12.000 So, it's okay that I stalk a Supreme Court justice.
00:07:16.000 It's okay that I go do these things now.
00:07:20.000 This is a problem.
00:07:22.000 So, I'm thinking, let's go even back 10 years.
00:07:24.000 Let's go back to Gamergate.
00:07:25.000 Remember GamerGate?
00:07:26.000 Yep. 0.99
00:07:27.000 No, you got a bunch of Sargon of a kind, Carl Benjamin, and he's like, that Danisa Tarkisian is, is a ho-ho laughable and cunt or whatever he would say about her. 0.90
00:07:35.000 I don't know, Sargon, big fan. 0.59
00:07:37.000 And, uh, imagine going back to Carl Benjamin in 2013 and saying, in 10 years, Stephen Colbert will be the host of The Late Show, taking over for who, Jay Leno?
00:07:49.000 Who did he take over for? 0.96
00:07:50.000 I don't fucking know. 0.98
00:07:51.000 Yeah, was it Leno? Yeah, it was supposed to be Conan. Conan got fired and then... 0.98
00:07:55.000 Taking over for Leno. I think it's how it went.
00:07:56.000 And you'll be like, oh, okay, I mean, that sounds believable.
00:07:59.000 And in 2022, seven of his staff members will have been arrested for
00:08:04.000 illegally entering a congressional building.
00:08:05.000 He will then be facetiously accused of staging an insurrection against the government,
00:08:10.000 and he'll be forced to address it because Capitol Police will have arrested his staff. 0.99
00:08:14.000 You'd be like, shut the fuck up. 0.99
00:08:15.000 And you might be like, okay, well, that sounds like a joke. 0.99
00:08:18.000 Yes, but a year and a half prior, 800 or so Trump supporters, supporters of then-President Donald Trump, will break into the Capitol. 1.00
00:08:28.000 They'd go, okay, fuck you! 1.00
00:08:30.000 No fucking way! 1.00
00:08:32.000 I'm just like, in 10 years' time, Donald Trump became president, was accused of being a Russian agent, Joe Biden, Ukrainegate, January 6, Texas v Pennsylvania, all of this. 1.00
00:08:49.000 When I see these things, I see January 6th, I'm like, holy fuck, dude. 0.99
00:08:54.000 I watched that happen. 0.99
00:08:55.000 It was scary.
00:08:56.000 Facebook basically banned me.
00:08:58.000 They booted me from the partner program for putting up a video covering what happened on January 6th. 1.00
00:09:02.000 Fuck Facebook. 0.99
00:09:04.000 And I remember watching that happen, thinking this is insane. 1.00
00:09:06.000 Right.
00:09:07.000 I think about Texas v. Pennsylvania when I covered this.
00:09:10.000 Half the country was suing, half the country arguing the election was illegitimate.
00:09:13.000 Yep.
00:09:14.000 And now we're at the point where there's no escape.
00:09:17.000 Everyone is involved now.
00:09:20.000 Stephen Colbert is... He was a propagandist, he was a comedian, joking about it.
00:09:24.000 Are you blackpilled here?
00:09:26.000 Are you saying that's it?
00:09:27.000 We're gonna be civil warring? 0.93
00:09:29.000 Why is that black though? 0.98
00:09:31.000 For some that's a white pill. 0.76
00:09:33.000 Civil war's a white pill?
00:09:34.000 For a lot of people.
00:09:36.000 I don't know what... No, no, white pill will be... We're gonna...
00:09:40.000 We're going to politely somehow break this country up.
00:09:42.000 Civil war is bad. 0.97
00:09:44.000 I'm not saying civil war is bad.
00:09:45.000 I'm saying this is the factionalization at all levels.
00:09:49.000 It could result in peaceful divorce. 0.77
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00:11:09.000 But not only that, civil war is bad. 0.51
00:11:12.000 You don't want violence.
00:11:13.000 Yeah, I mean, that would be terrible.
00:11:14.000 Right.
00:11:15.000 But for the left, they do.
00:11:19.000 They don't want a civil war.
00:11:19.000 They want to own it.
00:11:21.000 So for them, they're happy about it.
00:11:22.000 But that's not a white pill.
00:11:24.000 That's not happiness.
00:11:24.000 It's coming from hate.
00:11:25.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
00:11:27.000 Yeah, you really mean that?
00:11:28.000 White pill is like optimism.
00:11:29.000 We're going to win.
00:11:30.000 Black pill is we're doomed. 0.52
00:11:31.000 No, it's not about winning and losing.
00:11:33.000 White pill is about people surviving and thriving.
00:11:36.000 All of us.
00:11:37.000 You see, the whole reason why, I mean, the reason why I do what I do so much and why I spend so much of my time and energy doing this is because I don't want it to fall into civil war.
00:11:48.000 Because I don't, I want to create an option for people to still make this viable so that people could say, you know what, when we're ready to have that battle and that fight and we're angry, there's some group of people or some individual I can go to to say, look, Larry, can you and your people, can you walk us through this?
00:12:04.000 Right?
00:12:05.000 Not, I hate the left or I hate the right so much that the only answer is, we're gonna start shooting each other. 0.96
00:12:11.000 Because when we stop talking, we start fighting.
00:12:13.000 I think dominoes are falling over and there's no way out.
00:12:18.000 That's Blackpill! 0.96
00:12:19.000 You're saying not Blackpill.
00:12:20.000 That's not Blackpill.
00:12:22.000 You're saying civil war is not blackmail?
00:12:24.000 That's kind of blackmail!
00:12:25.000 I did not just say a civil war was going to happen.
00:12:27.000 So how do we then make anything peaceful if we're not talking?
00:12:31.000 People's confidence breaks, trade routes dissolve, and then people start turning inward and stop communicating with the other factions.
00:12:38.000 Okay, but we're in the same cities and states.
00:12:41.000 We're all together.
00:12:42.000 Geographic hyperpolarization has already been happening to a great degree.
00:12:45.000 You've got half a million people fleeing to Florida, half a million people fleeing to Texas.
00:12:49.000 I know they're leaving New York State.
00:12:50.000 I'm well aware of that.
00:12:53.000 And we've got stories about liberal-leaning people fleeing West Virginia, too.
00:12:58.000 geographic hyperpolarization is happening.
00:13:00.000 You've got Roe v. Wade is gonna return power to the states. 0.91
00:13:03.000 Colorado removes all restrictions.
00:13:04.000 You can abort a baby at nine months.
00:13:06.000 Texas says not after six weeks.
00:13:08.000 I think it was Kansas or Oklahoma said none at all.
00:13:11.000 So once Roe v. Wade is overturned, tons of states are gonna outright ban it.
00:13:14.000 So what I'm saying is, for one, I will say, my initial statement was not that this ultimate,
00:13:23.000 that I was saying a civil war was happening, though I do think the most likely of the outcomes 0.97
00:13:27.000 will be a civil war because it is too optimistic to believe that after a peaceful divorce,
00:13:31.000 people just don't fight.
00:13:33.000 I think what is likely to happen is, just like the first Civil War, several states will declare their intent to secede, and for several months, nothing will happen. 0.99
00:13:42.000 And new trade agreements will emerge, states will stop working with each other, trade agreements will disappear, and then you will get a new president who says, fuck you, send in the tanks. 0.99
00:13:52.000 Then you get Civil War. 0.99
00:13:52.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. 0.99
00:13:53.000 That's what happened in the first Civil War.
00:13:54.000 Yeah, I think that's what happened.
00:13:56.000 How do you think that won't happen?
00:13:59.000 It won't happen if we actually decentralize before.
00:14:03.000 The issue is- What do you mean, decentralize?
00:14:05.000 Right, look, the issue is executives right now and courts.
00:14:09.000 Executives and courts run this country, right?
00:14:12.000 Legislators do almost nothing, right?
00:14:14.000 So executives and courts run the country.
00:14:16.000 What do you mean?
00:14:17.000 Like executives business or- No, executive meaning in government.
00:14:20.000 I'm sorry, I should be clear.
00:14:21.000 I'm sorry.
00:14:22.000 Government executives, mayors, governors, presidents, along with courts run this country.
00:14:27.000 Our legislature does nothing.
00:14:28.000 I think they do.
00:14:29.000 Like what?
00:14:30.000 In Pennsylvania, for instance, it was a legislature that passed the unconstitutional voting law which allowed Joe Biden to win.
00:14:35.000 Yes, but without question that'll go to a court or the governor will change things.
00:14:39.000 The courts refused to hear any cases on it.
00:14:42.000 Which is what, they did something, is my point.
00:14:45.000 Even not hearing it did something.
00:14:47.000 Yes, however, everything goes to a court now, right?
00:14:51.000 Because everyone sues, right?
00:14:52.000 If you pass a law, someone says it's not going to work, it goes to a court, a court says yes or no.
00:14:57.000 And that didn't happen.
00:14:58.000 It used to be that they passed a law and people said, oh, it's a law.
00:15:02.000 But now if not my team passes a law, it goes to a court, right?
00:15:07.000 So that's how that works now.
00:15:08.000 But that's what courts have always existed for, to interpret the law.
00:15:10.000 Yes, but it wasn't the norm.
00:15:11.000 Now it's the norm.
00:15:13.000 In other words, if you passed five laws in, say, New York State 10 years ago, Right?
00:15:18.000 It didn't go to everyone didn't go to court, because it was my team, we believe that that was working.
00:15:22.000 Now we believe that if it's not my team, it's by default, a bad law because my team didn't didn't authorize it.
00:15:29.000 I think that's more indicative of the left, not the right.
00:15:32.000 Okay.
00:15:32.000 But either way, rules and exceptions, right?
00:15:34.000 So my point being, the executives also control the violence far more than anything else, right?
00:15:38.000 Executives now control violence.
00:15:39.000 It was supposed to be that the assemblies in Congress controlled violence.
00:15:43.000 That's almost non-existent.
00:15:44.000 Almost always executives control violence now.
00:15:47.000 It was always executives that controlled violence.
00:15:49.000 That's what the executive branch is.
00:15:50.000 No, okay, let me be clearer then.
00:15:52.000 What I mean by that is, for example, war.
00:15:55.000 As we talked about earlier, we haven't declared war in the United States since 1943.
00:15:58.000 So in theory, we shouldn't have sent the troops anyplace because Congress controls when we send our troops, in theory.
00:16:04.000 But the executive does.
00:16:07.000 But that's the one instance for foreign excursions.
00:16:10.000 The Congress has to declare it.
00:16:11.000 The executive actually controls law enforcement and military.
00:16:14.000 Correct.
00:16:15.000 the executive controls law enforcement and military.
00:16:18.000 Correct, yes.
00:16:19.000 But as a general rule, a Congress has to pass a law.
00:16:24.000 That's one circumstance.
00:16:25.000 A mayor of a city decides when to send the police out, not the local city council.
00:16:29.000 The city council passes the law that says you have to enforce that law, right?
00:16:33.000 So in other words, the governor, the mayor in theory can't say, I'm going to arrest you for having blue bottles.
00:16:43.000 Unless the city council passes a law saying blue bottles are illegal.
00:16:47.000 But they've always chosen to arrest people for whatever made sense.
00:16:51.000 So if you had a blue bottle, they would say disorderly conduct.
00:16:54.000 It's always been that way.
00:16:55.000 I guess maybe.
00:16:56.000 It's always been that way.
00:16:57.000 I guess maybe.
00:16:57.000 So, fine, then I don't know why we're fighting over this.
00:17:00.000 Okay, yes, it's always been true.
00:17:03.000 My point being, either way, executives control the violence today.
00:17:06.000 Whether that has always been true or not, fine.
00:17:07.000 They control the violence.
00:17:09.000 If we don't have executives who agree to decentralization, to your point, a president will come in, or a governor will come in, or a mayor will come in and say, I'm not accepting this, I'm the ruler, and I will then put violence upon it.
00:17:22.000 We have to elect people who are executives, mayors, governors, presidents, who are okay with localization.
00:17:30.000 That's the way you asked, how do we make it peaceful?
00:17:33.000 That's how we make it peaceful.
00:17:35.000 We make it peaceful if executives are elected who go, I'm okay with decentralization.
00:17:41.000 If we don't do that, they will fight.
00:17:42.000 And so then how do we allocate weapons, military bases?
00:17:46.000 Well, again, if the executive's okay, we figure out a way of doing that, right?
00:17:49.000 That's the issue.
00:17:50.000 If the executives say, yes, I'm okay with decentralization, you will have a peaceful transfer.
00:17:57.000 But, you know, to me, if you don't have that, you're not going to have a peaceful transfer.
00:18:00.000 It sounds like you're saying, we will start this business by winning the lottery.
00:18:05.000 Maybe.
00:18:07.000 My view is, I think it's highly improbable that any executive is going to be like, I will gladly give up power.
00:18:14.000 You take a look at Eastern Oregon.
00:18:16.000 They want to secede? 0.99
00:18:18.000 Like hell, Oregon's going to allow them to fucking secede. 0.99
00:18:20.000 Never going to happen. 0.99
00:18:21.000 You're right.
00:18:22.000 But you're right.
00:18:23.000 If they did, it could avoid conflict.
00:18:24.000 Yes!
00:18:25.000 But it's never going to happen.
00:18:26.000 You're saying never.
00:18:28.000 And what I'm saying is, I don't want to be blackmailed.
00:18:31.000 So what I'm saying is, you may be right, and it may fall into this, but I don't want to be a guy that ten years from now has to look back to the violence and I say, I didn't do everything I could to stop this violence.
00:18:41.000 I'm doing, and maybe it is a lottery, but you know what?
00:18:43.000 I'm going to buy a lottery ticket then.
00:18:45.000 I'm buying the ticket.
00:18:46.000 I'm going to buy that ticket.
00:18:47.000 I wonder if it's more like saying, we've got reports that a hurricane is forming, you know, off the eastern port.
00:18:53.000 I don't want to believe it.
00:18:55.000 I'm going to try and be more optimistic, as opposed to saying, let's batten down the hatches, order a bunch of food. 0.95
00:19:00.000 It sucks, but it's coming. 0.62
00:19:01.000 Yeah, you disrupt the hurricane. 0.99
00:19:03.000 You can acknowledge that there's a hurricane coming.
00:19:05.000 Hurricanes are as big as Texas.
00:19:08.000 If I know that hurricane's coming, I have a couple of options.
00:19:11.000 I can pack up and leave.
00:19:12.000 That's an option.
00:19:13.000 I can do that.
00:19:13.000 I can surrender to the hurricane, pack up and leave.
00:19:15.000 And that may be the right thing.
00:19:16.000 But maybe as you know, no, if I hunker down, if I stay in the basement, maybe there's a shot I can survive this hurricane and save my house.
00:19:24.000 And here's the other part.
00:19:25.000 If I don't do that, I'm losing everything.
00:19:27.000 And that's what I see.
00:19:29.000 I see a civil war as being horrible.
00:19:31.000 It's been 150 years, more than that, since our last civil war.
00:19:33.000 And we're still paying the price for that in many ways.
00:19:36.000 Yeah, never-ended.
00:19:36.000 Yes, and we do another civil war?
00:19:39.000 We're going to pay for that for 200 years!
00:19:41.000 I don't want to pay that price.
00:19:42.000 So I will buy the lottery ticket, recognizing that the odds of what I'm doing are not high.
00:19:46.000 I'm not fooling myself.
00:19:47.000 I think lottery is going to run for governor and save the world.
00:19:51.000 No, I don't believe that.
00:19:53.000 But if I start and I get my word out that we can have a conversation, if enough people make this happen, we have a shot.
00:20:00.000 Do you think women should be allowed to abort their babies at eight and a half months?
00:20:06.000 Do I believe it?
00:20:07.000 No, I don't.
00:20:08.000 So how do you have a conversation then with the left?
00:20:11.000 Easy! 0.99
00:20:12.000 I stop talking about the idea that I'm anti-woman.
00:20:16.000 And I start talking about the idea of how do we help people make things better.
00:20:19.000 And they listen to me all the time.
00:20:21.000 All the time.
00:20:22.000 They listen to me all the time.
00:20:23.000 There's just not enough of me, and I don't get out enough to do this.
00:20:25.000 I'm only one person.
00:20:27.000 All the time, I'm able to have conversation with people on the left.
00:20:30.000 Most of the people in New York State do not realize you can have an abortion in eight and a half months.
00:20:36.000 I'm not joking.
00:20:37.000 Most don't know that.
00:20:39.000 Right.
00:20:39.000 Most don't even know that.
00:20:40.000 And when you tell them that, they go, wait a minute, my daughter was born eight and a half months.
00:20:43.000 I know!
00:20:44.000 And then they start thinking.
00:20:45.000 But that's not the left.
00:20:46.000 What do you mean it's not the left?
00:20:48.000 That is literally the left.
00:20:50.000 If they don't know, I would just call that uninformed, you know... Yes, but they vote Democrat.
00:20:55.000 Yeah, but the left refers to, like, the sect of young socialists, pro-abortion, politically active... I'm talking about people who vote.
00:21:05.000 I'm talking about people who vote.
00:21:06.000 Most young people don't vote.
00:21:07.000 No, so... Most young people don't vote.
00:21:09.000 The older people are the ones who vote. 0.96
00:21:10.000 How do you convince the people who are leading these liberals and filling their minds with garbage Hey guys, Josh Hammer here, the host of America on Trial with Josh Hammer, a podcast for the First Podcast Network.
00:21:24.000 Look, there are a lot of shows out there that are explaining the political news cycle, what's happening on the Hill, the this, the that.
00:21:30.000 There are no other shows that are cutting straight to the point when it comes to the unprecedented lawfare debilitating and affecting the 2024 presidential election.
00:21:39.000 We do all of that every single day right here on America on Trial with Josh Hammer.
00:21:43.000 Subscribe and download your episodes wherever you get your podcasts.
00:21:46.000 America on Trial with You mean, how do I convince them?
00:21:52.000 By showing them ways of getting what they want.
00:21:54.000 I'll give you a good example, alright?
00:21:55.000 I don't have to convince Vaush, I have to convince his audience.
00:22:03.000 That's number one.
00:22:03.000 I've convinced his audience.
00:22:05.000 But I could convince him if I could give him something else.
00:22:07.000 And the example I'll give you is, the left will often talk about things like, well, the rich should pay more.
00:22:13.000 They should pay their fair share.
00:22:15.000 They should pay for this or pay for that.
00:22:17.000 I hear it all the time.
00:22:19.000 So what do I tell them?
00:22:19.000 I say, well, how about we set up a system to where the wealthy companies can sponsor with naming rights for a bridge in New York City and spend $100 million a year to sponsor that bridge, and then that money will go to pay for the MTA.
00:22:35.000 And they go, oh.
00:22:35.000 No, they don't.
00:22:37.000 They say, are you nuts?
00:22:38.000 They shouldn't have the $100 million in the first place. 0.65
00:22:40.000 That's not what Democrats say.
00:22:41.000 I'm not talking about Democrats.
00:22:42.000 Those are the people who vote, and that's who I care about.
00:22:45.000 Right, so the civil war that's coming is because people like Colbert are pandering to the extremists.
00:22:50.000 Yep. 0.99
00:22:51.000 Well, no, it's coming because the fucking economy's been shredded by 400 years. 0.99
00:22:55.000 That's true also, yes. 0.99
00:22:57.000 But the point is, the people who give Colbert his money And they keep bowing to these people.
00:23:01.000 They don't.
00:23:01.000 liberal you're thinking about. The people give Colbert his money are Democrats in places like
00:23:06.000 New York City. And they keep bowing to these people. And if these people believe what I'm
00:23:10.000 saying, they will tell Colbert to stop or they will stop giving him money. They don't. They
00:23:15.000 don't because people, there are enough people like me who are telling them this. No, because
00:23:18.000 they're scared of what the left does. What do you mean what the left does?
00:23:22.000 We have people who are putting sending their children to schools with groomers because they're scared the left will
00:23:27.000 come and attack them Some people like these are people who know outright that
00:23:31.000 schools are grooming their kids with weird sexual content and they're like
00:23:34.000 But if I speak up my life will be destroyed The wealthy people don't send their kids to these schools
00:23:40.000 Yes, they do.
00:23:41.000 They send their kids to private schools.
00:23:43.000 And the private schools are overwhelmingly the most woke.
00:23:45.000 Which is why they're leaving them in New York State in droves, New York State in droves.
00:23:49.000 So, I can't speak for New York, but I thought what you thought, that the rich people were avoiding all this stuff, but we talked with James Lindsay and Christopher Rufo, and it turns out it's actually the most woke, and the highest level of indoctrination is among the rich kids.
00:24:01.000 So, the issue is, the people funding Colbert, you look at Felicia Sanmez and Taylor Lorenz, the stars of the Washington Post, they're leading the charge, and you can't convince them because they're zealots, they're in a cult.
00:24:15.000 So you can go to a regular person, I do it all the time, and I'll say something like, what is an assault weapon? And they'll say, I don't know.
00:24:21.000 And I just will calmly talk to people on Facebook and often it's fine. But the problem is those
00:24:27.000 people are not involved in politics.
00:24:29.000 So you can try and earn their vote. But the core factions, the people who are watching Colbert,
00:24:34.000 who are following this stuff, they believe, I'll tell you this, man.
00:24:37.000 This is why I told Steve Bannon he's wrong.
00:24:41.000 Donald Trump lost. 0.94
00:24:43.000 Because people I knew who had no business in politics, who know shit all, went out and filmed videos of themselves carrying their mail-in ballots to a mailbox like, I'm doing my part, are you? 0.97
00:24:52.000 Yep. 0.86
00:24:53.000 And these are friends of mine.
00:24:55.000 Yep.
00:24:55.000 And when I would say like, what are you looking forward to with Biden?
00:24:58.000 They would say, fuck you. 1.00
00:25:01.000 Those aren't your friends. 1.00
00:25:02.000 I know they're not, but this was people who were my friends, who all of a sudden were like, the Nazis have taken over, they're marching. 0.96
00:25:11.000 I tell you this, when I saw people I grew up with doing the red salute in Chicago, I said, something fucked is coming. 0.92
00:25:18.000 And when my friend, who knows jack all about bullshit, doesn't care about it, all of a sudden is talking about why Marx was right and doing red salutes, Give it 10 years. 0.98
00:25:30.000 Maybe you look at the people who are voting the older generation, the boomers. 0.98
00:25:33.000 I do. 0.99
00:25:34.000 And when they age out in 10 years, and millennials and Gen Z come in, it's going to be fucking balls to the wall psychosis. 0.99
00:25:40.000 At that point, I'm done. 0.99
00:25:41.000 I've done my bit.
00:25:42.000 And if I haven't moved enough people by then, I have to move people.
00:25:46.000 I just don't want to surrender.
00:25:47.000 I don't want to surrender to the black belt. 1.00
00:25:48.000 So this is my point.
00:25:50.000 People often think that politics is determined by winning hearts and minds.
00:25:55.000 It's absolutely not.
00:25:56.000 It's by winning children.
00:25:58.000 And that's why we see the left in schools doing what they're doing with LGBT curriculum and Drag Queen Story Hour and things like that.
00:26:05.000 Because they know you don't convince someone to change their mind on politics.
00:26:08.000 That's rare.
00:26:10.000 You raise them in politics and they never change their minds.
00:26:13.000 So what's happening now is we have this poll from the SPLC that shows among older generation, Single digits support revolution and assassination.
00:26:21.000 Of course.
00:26:22.000 Among younger generation, 55 and below.
00:26:24.000 100%.
00:26:25.000 One third.
00:26:25.000 Yep.
00:26:26.000 And half of young Democrat men are in favor of assassinations, which means it doesn't matter if you go to a liberal boomer and say, vote for me. 0.99
00:26:34.000 In 10 years, that millennial is going to be like, time to kill people. 0.95
00:26:39.000 So my thing is like... Let's be clear. 0.89
00:26:42.000 There is a very important reason why the youth are that way.
00:26:46.000 A very important reason why.
00:26:48.000 Most of them don't have any hope.
00:26:51.000 That's the reality.
00:26:52.000 Most of them don't have any hope.
00:26:54.000 Think about it.
00:26:54.000 I mean, I know some of you are in that age group of 20-somethings, 30s, right, in that area.
00:26:59.000 If you graduated from high school or college around 2008 or so, if you're in that age range, man, recession after pain after recession after pain.
00:27:09.000 Of course you feel that this doesn't work for you.
00:27:11.000 Of course you feel that way.
00:27:12.000 So now, what do most people on the right say?
00:27:15.000 For the average right person, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
00:27:18.000 What does the left say?
00:27:19.000 It's their fault.
00:27:21.000 See, it's their fault.
00:27:22.000 It's the rich people's fault.
00:27:23.000 They're the bad guys.
00:27:24.000 They're the ones.
00:27:25.000 Everything's bad because of those people. 0.99
00:27:28.000 Well, that feels a whole lot better than I suck. 0.99
00:27:31.000 Right? 0.99
00:27:31.000 Yep. 0.99
00:27:31.000 It feels a whole lot better to say those rich people, they're the bad guys and you and you're bad because of them versus I have to take responsibility for my actions or I suck. 0.99
00:27:39.000 That doesn't feel good at all. 0.64
00:27:40.000 So they give me the right message.
00:27:42.000 Well, if I give them a better message, they will take it.
00:27:45.000 People tend to want hope, but you've got to give it to them in a way they can accept it and take it.
00:27:50.000 When people are hopeless, that's the best example I can give you is all these mass shootings.
00:27:56.000 What these mass shootings actually are, are public suicides.
00:28:00.000 Yes.
00:28:01.000 So, if they are public suicides, these are young men who have nothing to live for.
00:28:06.000 This is the key issue.
00:28:07.000 So, how is it?
00:28:07.000 We have had people on this show, on the left, and we've had good conversations with them.
00:28:12.000 Sure. 0.99
00:28:12.000 We've taken pictures and we've smiled, and they go right back to Twitter and lie their asses off. 0.99
00:28:17.000 They don't care. 0.98
00:28:19.000 They just don't.
00:28:20.000 It's slow change.
00:28:20.000 However, there's something else though, and it's how I know this to be true.
00:28:23.000 There are people who, of their fan base, who watched your show, who are still watching now.
00:28:30.000 Yep.
00:28:31.000 There are a lot of people who messaged us saying that they used to be woke.
00:28:33.000 Bingo!
00:28:34.000 Yes, so it does work.
00:28:36.000 You don't have to change the individual.
00:28:38.000 You have to change their audience.
00:28:40.000 And you are doing it.
00:28:41.000 I do it too.
00:28:41.000 When I go on those shows, I get people who come to me.
00:28:44.000 That's why I go on those shows.
00:28:46.000 Am I going to change them?
00:28:47.000 No.
00:28:48.000 But can I get their audience?
00:28:49.000 Yes.
00:28:50.000 So you've gotten it to I know you have.
00:28:52.000 I'm not saying you don't, you know, you don't speak truth.
00:28:56.000 You don't try and correct the record.
00:28:58.000 I'm saying that there's a tsunami in front of us.
00:29:00.000 Yep.
00:29:01.000 And what I see as going on is I'm yelling to as many people as possible.
00:29:05.000 Yep.
00:29:06.000 Hey, you might want to get to higher ground.
00:29:08.000 And I'm saying, hey, we can fight the tsunami if enough of us stand up against it.
00:29:11.000 But you can't.
00:29:12.000 I think we can.
00:29:14.000 That's what HAARP is all about.
00:29:16.000 Fighting tsunamis.
00:29:16.000 That's the weather control modification system in Alaska.
00:29:20.000 Me and you are going to build HAARP.
00:29:21.000 There we go.
00:29:21.000 I love it.
00:29:22.000 In 2018, I said, it looks like civil war.
00:29:25.000 We're on that track. 0.67
00:29:27.000 Everyone said I was nuts.
00:29:28.000 And I was reading articles that were talking about the escalation of the rhetoric and the violence.
00:29:33.000 We had Ryan Long on this show a couple of times.
00:29:36.000 The comedian?
00:29:36.000 Yeah.
00:29:37.000 Oh, I love him.
00:29:37.000 He's great.
00:29:38.000 And like, it was like the second time he came on, he like kind of ambushed me.
00:29:43.000 We were talking before the show, and then as soon as we went live, and I was like, we're here with Ryan Long, and he goes, so Tim, you told me a civil war was happening.
00:29:48.000 You told me that a civil war was gonna come, and then I left kind of freaked out, and what happened?
00:29:52.000 And then I went, on January 6th, 800 Trump supporters stormed into the Capitol to shut down the Electoral College vote, and he went, oh.
00:29:59.000 See, people are in a pot.
00:30:00.000 They are frogs slowly boiling.
00:30:03.000 And so in 2018, when I watched 300 people boxing and smashing shields and sticks with another 300 other people, I was like, this is, according to history, prelude to civil war.
00:30:15.000 If this continues, civil war will happen.
00:30:18.000 That's the word, if!
00:30:19.000 And it did continue, and it got substantially worse.
00:30:23.000 Now we're at the point where not only did we have January 6th, which was really bad, I don't know if I would call it an insurrection because even the Fed said there was no real aim, it was just angry people, but that's all it really is sometimes. 0.83
00:30:35.000 But we also had Texas suing, questioning whether the election was illegitimate, The Supreme Court, whose duty bound, under original jurisdiction, to hear lawsuits between states, refused because the Supreme Court is comprised of cowards.
00:30:51.000 Only Thomas and Alito said, we have to hear this.
00:30:53.000 And now because they refuse to even entertain the concerns of Texas, The Texas GOP has just announced in their official platform Biden was illegitimately elected, citing specifically unconstitutional voter changes, which is what their lawsuit was about.
00:31:09.000 And you know what?
00:31:10.000 When I tweeted that, the left said, the voter fraud narrative is a lie, Tim. 1.00
00:31:15.000 You're a grifter. 0.96
00:31:16.000 I didn't tweet about voter fraud. 1.00
00:31:18.000 They don't give a shit. 1.00
00:31:19.000 The Young Turks. 0.99
00:31:21.000 I said in January, how will you convict someone of trespassing in the Capitol if the police let them in the building? 0.98
00:31:26.000 So the Young Turks made a video telling me that I was the stupidest person making the dumbest argument possible because of course they were trespassing, they walked over broken glass. 0.89
00:31:35.000 Matthew Martin was then acquitted and I was correct. 0.98
00:31:38.000 These people, for me it's not about left or right.
00:31:41.000 It's about what is true and what is happening.
00:31:43.000 But you have people like the Young Turks of massive prominence and influence, their audience size in terms of viewership rivals ours, who lie every day for clicks.
00:31:52.000 That is why I view it as inevitable.
00:31:54.000 Because no matter how much, I'm like, here is the court document and the proof.
00:32:00.000 I cannot compete, Crowder cannot compete, Joe Rogan cannot compete with a billion views per month intentionally lying to people to make them hate other people.
00:32:13.000 So if Joe Rogan comes out and says, this is true to his 11 million viewers per episode, and then across CNN, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, all of these networks, they're getting a collective billion plus views per month.
00:32:26.000 We are but a drop of water in the ocean compared to the lies that are coming out.
00:32:32.000 Colbert lied.
00:32:33.000 He said my staff was detained and then processed and released.
00:32:35.000 No, they were arrested and charged and could be facing further charges, but he lies.
00:32:40.000 It's what he does.
00:32:43.000 There's nothing I'm saying that you're saying that I'm disagreeing with.
00:32:46.000 I'm not saying you're wrong on any of this.
00:32:48.000 My point is simply, I feel at this point, It's not about white pill or black pill.
00:32:55.000 It's not about what you want to happen or don't want to happen.
00:32:59.000 It's about it is happening.
00:33:01.000 Yeah, well, you're saying there's a hurricane.
00:33:03.000 Now, then you mentioned let's get to higher ground.
00:33:05.000 What's the higher ground?
00:33:07.000 The higher ground is basically get out of cities.
00:33:09.000 Yeah, but hold on.
00:33:10.000 There's an important aspect here.
00:33:12.000 Let's say you're correct.
00:33:13.000 And I'm not saying you're incorrect.
00:33:14.000 Then there's a horrible civil war coming.
00:33:17.000 At the end of the civil war, there's going to have to be reconstruction.
00:33:19.000 Right?
00:33:19.000 That's how it works.
00:33:20.000 Any war, there's going to be reconstruction.
00:33:22.000 Where are the people going to be for the Reconstruction? 0.81
00:33:25.000 Whatever that looks like.
00:33:27.000 Does it look like individual cities becoming city-states?
00:33:30.000 Does it look like individual states reconstituting?
00:33:32.000 Is a country reconstituting?
00:33:34.000 What is that Reconstruction?
00:33:36.000 Spanish Civil War.
00:33:37.000 70 years of military dictatorship.
00:33:39.000 Could be that, right?
00:33:40.000 But I don't want any of that.
00:33:42.000 That's my point.
00:33:45.000 Let's say I'm completely wrong.
00:33:47.000 And all this stuff I'm saying lands on deaf ears.
00:33:50.000 No one pays attention to Larry Sharpe's trying to come up with ideas to keep the left and right happy.
00:33:54.000 Ideas to keep the un-woke and the woke happy.
00:33:56.000 Ideas to keep the wealthy and the poor happy.
00:33:58.000 Which is all my ideas are to keep everybody as satisfied as possible, right?
00:34:01.000 So no one listens to me.
00:34:03.000 But then the revolution comes.
00:34:04.000 You're right.
00:34:04.000 There's a civil war.
00:34:05.000 People are dying.
00:34:06.000 Things are horrible.
00:34:08.000 Maybe at least at that point people look at what I said.
00:34:10.000 Oh yeah, let me try what Larry said.
00:34:12.000 That stuff made sense.
00:34:13.000 Let's try that now.
00:34:13.000 Now that we wiped the slate clean and we have millions dead... I'm not saying not do that.
00:34:16.000 Let's do that.
00:34:17.000 I think we agree.
00:34:18.000 That's what I'm doing regardless of the outcome.
00:34:21.000 Right.
00:34:22.000 Regardless of the outcome.
00:34:25.000 I want people to be thinking, I don't want to fall back into left versus right again.
00:34:31.000 America has a habit of winning a war and losing a peace.
00:34:36.000 Yep.
00:34:37.000 Right?
00:34:37.000 Or even not even win number one, losing the peace.
00:34:39.000 We can't lose the peace.
00:34:40.000 I'd like us to win the peace this time. 0.98
00:34:42.000 George Washington said that political parties were trash, don't do it. 0.98
00:34:45.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:34:45.000 And then what happened? 0.99
00:34:46.000 Yes.
00:34:46.000 The second president came in with a political party to operate after that?
00:34:49.000 It's because they did not understand that first past the post voting doesn't work.
00:34:53.000 Yes.
00:34:55.000 As soon as you get first past the post voting, you get a two party system.
00:34:58.000 Yep.
00:34:58.000 That's it.
00:35:00.000 So, you know, I look at the Founding Fathers and they were brilliant in a lot of ways with how they formed this government.
00:35:04.000 Three branches, checks and balances, amazing.
00:35:07.000 But they just did not know everything.
00:35:09.000 So like a rank choice voting system?
00:35:12.000 I'm a big fan.
00:35:12.000 One of the things that Yang and I agree with completely, we're on the same page totally on this, rank choice voting, right?
00:35:20.000 Easier ballot access, right?
00:35:22.000 So people can have more parties easier, right?
00:35:25.000 Absolutely.
00:35:26.000 And open primaries for gerrymandered districts.
00:35:28.000 Yeah.
00:35:29.000 Which you can't.
00:35:29.000 you have to have open primaries in the gerrymandering industry.
00:35:32.000 Unless you can end gerrymandering.
00:35:33.000 Which you can't.
00:35:34.000 If you can end gerrymandering, which you can't, right?
00:35:35.000 Right.
00:35:35.000 If you could end gerrymandering, I'm open to not having open primaries.
00:35:38.000 You can't end gerrymandering because you need it.
00:35:40.000 Yeah. So as you have gerrymandering, you have to have open primaries.
00:35:42.000 The issue with gerrymandering is that while it's obviously exploited very often,
00:35:45.000 people, I think a lot of people who talk about gerrymandering, they use this graphic where it shows blocks for districts
00:35:52.000 or for population size.
00:35:53.000 And it's like, you know, people don't live in cubes.
00:35:56.000 They live in like, if you look at cities, you might see a stretch of a district, and it's like, why is the district drawn in that weird way?
00:36:02.000 And it's like, because outside of that is a machine shop.
00:36:05.000 Right.
00:36:06.000 People don't live there.
00:36:07.000 Right.
00:36:07.000 So they drew the district to encompass where the people live.
00:36:11.000 Often, however, Democrats and Republicans will be like, let's do this.
00:36:15.000 So recently, before this election, before the census, Western Maryland grabbed a chunk of Frederick suburbs, turning the district Democrat.
00:36:29.000 Now they redistricted it and made Frederick part of, I think, Montgomery County, which basically gives the Republicans their district back.
00:36:36.000 New York State got sued because we were so bad.
00:36:40.000 The state's so broken, we actually lost a congressperson.
00:36:46.000 That's how bad our state is.
00:36:47.000 People are leaving our state so fast.
00:36:49.000 We lost a congressperson.
00:36:49.000 So we had to re-open the district from 27 to 26.
00:36:51.000 Well, Democrats control the state.
00:36:54.000 So they gerrymandered so badly to throw out all the Republicans because they were hoping to help So I'll wrap up with this.
00:37:02.000 I'm not trying to say that evil, bad, it's a nightmare, the world's coming to an end or anything like that.
00:37:06.000 I'm just saying the one thing we do that I think is important is try and enlighten and inform as many people as possible.
00:37:10.000 That's why we do what we do.
00:37:11.000 Democrats fighting each other.
00:37:12.000 So, I'll wrap up with this.
00:37:13.000 I'm not trying to say that evil, bad, it's a nightmare, the world's coming to an end
00:37:19.000 or anything like that.
00:37:20.000 I'm just saying the one thing we do that I think is important is try and enlighten and
00:37:24.000 inform as many people as possible.
00:37:26.000 That's why we do what we do.
00:37:27.000 To get as many people to, like you were mentioning, there's a lot of people who maybe if you just
00:37:32.000 tell them the truth, they might snap out of it.
00:37:34.000 Yep.
00:37:35.000 And we've had a lot of those people.
00:37:36.000 I don't think that changes the fact that there's going to be a major constitutional or political crisis.
00:37:42.000 I agree with that.
00:37:43.000 Which involves fifth generational civil war.
00:37:45.000 We could be in it.
00:37:46.000 Something we haven't seen before.
00:37:48.000 But I'll wrap up with this.
00:37:51.000 When the late night show is involved, and half the country views them as having done this wrong thing, and they're like, we didn't!
00:37:59.000 Doesn't matter.
00:38:00.000 In correction, Colbert took over for David Letterman.
00:38:03.000 Oh, right, Letterman.
00:38:04.000 Fallon that took over for the other guy.
00:38:07.000 Larry, thanks for hanging out.
00:38:08.000 It's been a blast.
00:38:09.000 Of course!
00:38:09.000 Thanks for having me again.
00:38:10.000 I appreciate it.
00:38:10.000 Thank you guys.
00:38:11.000 Thank you so much.
00:38:12.000 And for everybody who's a member, thanks for being members and helping us expand this operation.
00:38:16.000 We're going to keep doing the work and hopefully more and more people come to their senses.
00:38:22.000 That's what we're trying for.
00:38:23.000 So thanks for hanging out.