Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Sunday Uncensored: Vivek Ramaswamy Members Only Podcast

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00:00:26.000 Hey everybody!

00:00:28.000 Welcome to the members only section.

00:00:30.000 We're actually going to jump right into calls so that Vivek can get as much time with the audience as possible here.

00:00:36.000 So we've got our first caller.

00:00:38.000 Let's do it.

00:00:39.000 We do.

00:00:40.000 Uh, I want to make sure.

00:00:41.000 Hold on.

00:00:41.000 Brett gave me a name.

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00:00:44.000 Uh, top of my... Evapologist.

00:00:46.000 Uh, okay.

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00:01:59.000 Hey, everyone.

00:02:00.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:00.000 And thank you, Vivek, for sticking around to take calls.

00:02:03.000 It means so much.

00:02:04.000 I'm hailing from the woke hellscape that is Minnesota.

00:02:07.000 Nice.

00:02:09.000 My question is this.

00:02:10.000 I worry that there's no incentive for young voters to see the civic duty amendment you propose as a positive for this country, and that leads me to think on solutions.

00:02:20.000 Vivek, would it be feasible to entertain a future where underage workers, that is under 18, could be income tax exempt at least on the federal level?

00:02:29.000 That way when they become legal adults and start to see the affect on their paychecks with taxes added, they may feel compelled to take action through service or civic testing.

00:02:39.000 What do you think of an idea such as this, or do you have other proposals that might encourage young people voting or pre-voting age to support delaying their own suffrage?

00:02:49.000 Yeah, so I love the spirit of creativity in that question.

00:02:54.000 There's a lot there.

00:02:55.000 I hadn't thought of that specific idea, but I love the spirit of it because you experience something and then you see what the government taketh, you know, at a certain point, and then you wake up to that reality in a way you otherwise wouldn't have.

00:03:07.000 So I love the spirit and character of it.

00:03:10.000 I think part of my job as a leader is to recognize that we human beings are subject to something that animals are not, which is persuasion.

00:03:20.000 And I think that young people, it's like, you know, it's like my son, you know, he'll get cranky and say he wants his pacifier when he really just wants real food, right?

00:03:30.000 My one son's three, another one's one year old.

00:03:34.000 And so it's not just about the creation of incentives alone.

00:03:38.000 I think part of this is you give people what they need.

00:03:43.000 You know, there's an old saying, it goes, if you care about somebody, you tell them the truth.

00:03:47.000 If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.

00:03:50.000 Mother Angelica, yeah. 1.00

00:03:51.000 It is true.

00:03:52.000 And I think the same thing could be true in words as in giving them what they need too.

00:03:56.000 And so what I've seen so far that does leave me pretty hopeful is that initially a lot of the young people I've encountered at college campuses Take a big step back.

00:04:03.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:04:03.000 You're taking away something that I don't have.

00:04:07.000 That I thought I had.

00:04:09.000 When in fact, very few young people already vote as it is.

00:04:13.000 So in many ways, even without even passing this constitutional amendment that I have in mind, just the act of talking about it is going to say, wait, wait, wait.

00:04:19.000 You're about to take something away from me that I thought I had.

00:04:22.000 Darn right I am exercising that.

00:04:24.000 I'm going to learn something about it and prove you wrong that I took that citizenship test too.

00:04:28.000 But that's the psychological instinct I'm describing, but it actually doesn't come out in an angry way.

00:04:32.000 It comes out in a journey that says, okay, I guess It's not so objectionable to know something about that country.

00:04:40.000 I think I can do it.

00:04:42.000 Maybe I'll just level up and do that.

00:04:44.000 And you give them a little bit of a chip on their shoulder to be able to do it.

00:04:48.000 So it's a combination of inspiration and serving up a necessary bitter pill.

00:04:55.000 that actually fills that hunger for direction and purpose and meaning that young people lack.

00:05:00.000 But again, I love the creativity behind your question.

00:05:02.000 And that's exactly the kind of thing we should be doing more of in this country.

00:05:06.000 It's interesting how none of this comes up in the discourse of traditional politicians today.

00:05:12.000 But I think this is actually what it will take a new class of leadership in this country to even start a conversation about.

00:05:17.000 And that's what we're already doing with a great question like that one.

00:05:21.000 Nice.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:05:22.000 How do you feel about that answer?

00:05:25.000 Oh, that's fantastic.

00:05:26.000 Thank you.

00:05:26.000 Thank you so much.

00:05:27.000 I'm flattered.

00:05:28.000 And Serge, how is it?

00:05:30.000 Wanted to say hi to you as well.

00:05:32.000 My fiance is a staffer who's joining us as a citizen soon.

00:05:36.000 Nice.

00:05:37.000 I'm glad to hear that.

00:05:38.000 I'm having to retake my citizenship tests.

00:05:40.000 And that's why you talked about it earlier.

00:05:42.000 Yeah, it's not that difficult if you paid attention to school at all.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, or just learn it.

00:05:46.000 Yeah, just learn it.

00:05:47.000 It's not a bad thing to know.

00:05:49.000 Anyways, I appreciate the questions.

00:05:50.000 Great question, Eve.

00:05:52.000 Thank you, guys.

00:05:53.000 Of course.

00:05:54.000 Thanks, Eve.

00:05:54.000 Bye.

00:05:55.000 See you around.

00:05:56.000 Let us go to... Oh!

00:05:59.000 Is this who I think it is?

00:06:00.000 Uh-oh.

00:06:01.000 Bread Ain't Dead!

00:06:02.000 How's it going?

00:06:05.000 You're with us.

00:06:05.000 Hey, how's it going guys?

00:06:07.000 Pretty good.

00:06:08.000 Yeah, good, good.

00:06:10.000 All right, appreciate taking my call.

00:06:12.000 My question is for Vivek.

00:06:13.000 If you were to lose the RNC nomination for president, would you be open to either a VP or cabinet position in the Trump or DeSantis if they were to take the nomination?

00:06:22.000 Or would you prefer to pursue a third-party run and continue your goal to run for president?

00:06:28.000 I think that, look, I'm very focused on winning this election.

00:06:32.000 And to be honest with you, when I started in February or in March, I couldn't have told you what my chances were.

00:06:37.000 I was starting at 0.0 percent.

00:06:40.000 I'm now a third in most of the national polls, and we still haven't had the first debate.

00:06:44.000 And so I'm laser focused on not only winning this election, But on the path to January, 2033, when I leave office, what do I actually want to say we did over two terms in this country?

00:06:55.000 So that's the purpose that's guiding me.

00:06:58.000 I was, we, Seamus, we briefly talked about this at the end of the other session is, I think that my skillset is best used in a leadership role, not a number two reporting in role.

00:07:10.000 It's not because there's something lesser or bad about that.

00:07:13.000 It's just how we're each wired, right?

00:07:14.000 And so, For most of my career, nearly all of it, I've never reported it to somebody.

00:07:18.000 I've built businesses.

00:07:19.000 I've led them.

00:07:20.000 I've been an author, which is a different kind of thought leadership role.

00:07:24.000 And so I believe I would be best making my contributions if I weren't the U.S.

00:07:28.000 President through the private sector, where I've been doing it already, both through my books as well as through the businesses that I've built and can continue to build.

00:07:39.000 But I truly do believe, and I believe it now in a way that I couldn't have told you with conviction four months ago, I think I'm going to be your next president.

00:07:47.000 And I think that, more importantly, I'm the best positioned person in either party to reach the next generation and revive national pride in this country that we've missed for a long time.

00:07:58.000 And so that's what I'm focused on.

00:08:01.000 Fully expect and hope that Trump and DeSantis and anybody else who also cares about this country will help me

00:08:06.000 In the way that I'm gonna need in order to drive this national revival

00:08:10.000 Yeah It also must be something that started at zero percent and

00:08:18.000 then you just climb up yeah, it feels good I mean, I'm still at like nine or ten, but long way to go, but it's... You've risen so quickly.

00:08:26.000 You have risen very quickly.

00:08:28.000 I think much more quickly than anyone expected, including yourself.

00:08:30.000 Yeah, I mean, I think this pace was, you know, we wanted to be in third place by the end of the year, ahead of the Iowa caucuses.

00:08:35.000 We're in third place now.

00:08:36.000 Yeah.

00:08:37.000 And, you know, I think that...

00:08:40.000 The problem though with looking at these things is then you fall into the trap of it.

00:08:43.000 It's a long time.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, but it's a long time, but then it goes back to being about you.

00:08:46.000 About me, me, me.

00:08:48.000 And it's not.

00:08:48.000 It's about the purpose of why I'm in this, about what we want to do for the country.

00:08:52.000 And so I try not to get wrapped up in that.

00:08:54.000 Sometimes it's hard, right?

00:08:57.000 I think you get, we're human beings.

00:09:01.000 But honest to God, I think the way we've got to do this is to be Laser focused on the purpose.

00:09:08.000 Be guided by it.

00:09:08.000 Don't be attached to a particular result for me.

00:09:12.000 I'm going to tell the people in this country who I am and what I stand for and what I believe.

00:09:16.000 And if they want me as their leader, then I'm standing by and ready to serve as the next president.

00:09:21.000 And I expect that I will.

00:09:22.000 So that's where I'm at.

00:09:23.000 Hell yeah, man.

00:09:24.000 I like that.

00:09:25.000 It's nice to hear.

00:09:25.000 It's presidential.

00:09:26.000 I appreciate your answer.

00:09:28.000 And I just would like to say a year ago, I didn't hear about you.

00:09:30.000 And now I see you everywhere and I see your message and it's good.

00:09:35.000 So, I think you knocked it out of the park at the Blaze Summit, so just keep doing what you're doing.

00:09:40.000 And I would hope that if you don't actually receive the RNC nomination, if somebody offered you a position within their government, that you would take it, because I think we need more people like you in our government who are aware of the issues.

00:09:51.000 What's your name, man?

00:09:52.000 Thank you.

00:09:53.000 Brett.

00:09:54.000 I appreciate it, brother.

00:09:55.000 Thank you.

00:09:56.000 Yeah.

00:09:57.000 Be good, man.

00:09:57.000 Thank you.

00:09:58.000 Cheers, Brett.

00:09:59.000 See you, Brett.

00:10:00.000 Thank you for the call.

00:10:01.000 I can stay for one, maybe two more questions.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, we only have two more.

00:10:05.000 Make it good.

00:10:06.000 I'll make them quick then.

00:10:07.000 Then we can catch our flight.

00:10:09.000 Catarific, don't waste time.

00:10:12.000 You're with us now.

00:10:14.000 You got it.

00:10:14.000 Can you guys hear me?

00:10:15.000 Yeah, loud and clear.

00:10:16.000 Yeah, loud and clear.

00:10:17.000 Hey y'all, thanks for taking questions.

00:10:21.000 What would you say to potential voters who feel hopeless right now, like their vote doesn't matter or nothing's going to change with this corrupt bureaucracy that you touched on?

00:10:31.000 Even people like Ronald McDonald or McDaniel in the GOP has been ignoring people like Scott Pressler who have desired to help the GOP game plan.

00:10:41.000 We see a lot of this corruption and it's easy for those of us to feel discouraged and like our vote doesn't matter.

00:10:48.000 So Scott Preston is a great guy.

00:10:50.000 I've actually reached out, spoken to him a couple times.

00:10:52.000 I appreciate his efforts in Wisconsin and other places.

00:10:55.000 He doesn't have to be doing what he's doing.

00:10:57.000 And we need more heroes like him, frankly.

00:11:00.000 I think you have, there are a lot of reasons to be discouraged, but here's what I think is going on.

00:11:06.000 And maybe it takes, you know, we're all young people in this room, actually.

00:11:10.000 Many of you younger than me, but I hope that those of us here, our best days are still ahead of us.

00:11:19.000 And I think as a nation, our best days are still ahead of us too.

00:11:24.000 We're going through our version of adolescence.

00:11:26.000 And so I don't think we have to be this nation in decline.

00:11:30.000 I don't think we were talking about Rome earlier.

00:11:31.000 I don't think we have to be Rome.

00:11:34.000 I think as a nation, we're really just a little young.

00:11:38.000 We're going through our own version of adolescence, figuring out who we're gonna be when we grow up.

00:11:46.000 And I think when you view it that way, then the rest of it makes sense, right?

00:11:49.000 You go through adolescence, you go through an identity crisis, you go through a loss of self-confidence, you go through self-doubt.

00:11:54.000 That's where we are.

00:11:55.000 We're a nation in the thick of doubt.

00:11:58.000 But I think we're in the early stages of our ascent.

00:12:01.000 And I think that we're barely at base camp.

00:12:03.000 That's really the way I look at it.

00:12:06.000 And I know that's just rhetoric and verbiage, but it's also an honest statement of how I feel about the country.

00:12:11.000 And if that helps other young people around the country that have hard facts that would tell them they have no reason to hope, say that, hey, if you take a step back, it would make sense that 250 years in to an experiment that's going to last a lot longer than that.

00:12:24.000 We have to go through our adolescence.

00:12:25.000 Here we are.

00:12:27.000 Let's be stronger on the other side of it.

00:12:29.000 It's like hormonal too, like a teenager.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:34.000 It's part of growing up.

00:12:35.000 It's not.

00:12:35.000 Those aren't wrinkles.

00:12:36.000 It's just acne.

00:12:37.000 Okay.

00:12:37.000 You know what freaks me out?

00:12:39.000 We'll go to the next.

00:12:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:40.000 Thanks.

00:12:40.000 Thanks, Kat.

00:12:42.000 Thank you so much, Vivek.

00:12:43.000 Appreciate you.

00:12:44.000 Appreciate you, Kat.

00:12:44.000 Thank you.

00:12:45.000 What freaks me out is the proprietary voting machines.

00:12:49.000 That's like so demoralizing.

00:12:51.000 We don't need private companies doing vote collection.

00:12:53.000 Hell yeah.

00:12:54.000 Get them the heck out.

00:12:54.000 Same thing with funded family courts.

00:12:57.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 Thanks for saying that.

00:12:58.000 I appreciate that.

00:12:59.000 Yeah.

00:13:00.000 And last but not least, Matt Hammond.

00:13:05.000 You're with us.

00:13:06.000 How are you, man?

00:13:07.000 Hello.

00:13:08.000 Thank you.

00:13:10.000 Hannah, Ian, and Hannah-Claire, Ian, and Seamus are doing a great job.

00:13:14.000 Good save.

00:13:15.000 Thank you.

00:13:17.000 You can call her Hannah.

00:13:18.000 No, please don't.

00:13:19.000 I appreciate your effort.

00:13:19.000 Hannah-Claire.

00:13:22.000 What are your thoughts on modern indentured servitude like H-1B, H-2B, L-1, V-solvers that are imported in the U.S.

00:13:33.000 and replace U.S.

00:13:34.000 workers at half to a third of their salary?

00:13:37.000 Several companies forced these staff members to train their replacements.

00:13:44.000 before they get their severance like Disney, Verizon, Bank of America, and Southern California, Edison. 0.98

00:13:51.000 It's garbage for a lot of reasons. And I just think that, you know, H-1B lottery, why on earth 0.94

00:13:57.000 would we resort to a lottery when we could just use a merit-based system? And if you're using

00:14:01.000 a merit-based system, you can no longer fathom the idea of exploiting people who actually are

00:14:08.000 the ones coming meritocratically.

00:14:10.000 And so I think that one problem feeds on another.

00:14:12.000 I say scrap the whole thing.

00:14:15.000 Merit-based immigration.

00:14:17.000 End illegal immigration. 0.99

00:14:19.000 Immigration policy doesn't have to be as complicated as we make it out to be.

00:14:22.000 So that's where I'm at.

00:14:23.000 Appreciate that question, brother.

00:14:25.000 Well, I'm off to catch a flight, guys.

00:14:27.000 This has been real.

00:14:28.000 I love it.

00:14:29.000 I love it.

00:14:30.000 And we'll come back.

00:14:31.000 And you'll livestream your speech tomorrow.

00:14:33.000 Yeah, we will.

00:14:34.000 Absolutely.

00:14:34.000 Tomorrow night at St.

00:14:35.000 Anselm College.

00:14:35.000 We'll livestream it.

00:14:36.000 Good show, man.

00:14:37.000 Thank you, guys.

00:14:38.000 Appreciate it, guys.

00:14:39.000 We're sticking around, so I think we may be done with calls, unless you guys want to queue up more, but we can jump into a story.

00:14:45.000 I think, Hannah-Claire, you had something prepped.

00:14:47.000 Thank you so much for coming by. 1.00

00:14:48.000 This motherfucker's on his way out. 0.99

00:14:50.000 Well, they say the goodbyes to the vague. 1.00

00:14:51.000 I'll just summarize what's going on.

00:14:53.000 So, a couple of you guys probably saw this story.

00:14:56.000 Ron McDaniel from the RNC said it would be a mistake.

00:14:59.000 Brimcast.

00:15:00.000 Yeah, finally, we're getting brimcast.

00:15:05.000 So our RNC chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel, said it would be a mistake for Trump to skip the debates, if you guys follow this at all.

00:15:13.000 Trump made a statement on Truth Social back in April saying, why would I do the debates?

00:15:18.000 Why would I be a part of that libelous standard?

00:15:21.000 And what do I have for benefit when all of the moderators that they would pull are anti-MAGA?

00:15:27.000 I'm summarizing here, this isn't a perfect quote.

00:15:30.000 And I think it's an interesting question.

00:15:31.000 You know, Seamus and I, when we were talking about the story earlier today, we're saying, do the presidential debates actually serve a purpose?

00:15:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:40.000 I think that is the conversation.

00:15:41.000 And, you know, just jumping in the conversation, I'll say back in the day when there were limited access to national stage, when we didn't have anything like social media and we had very few TV channels, I could understand where debates on radio, debates on television were.

00:15:58.000 uh an important chance for the nation to see the candidates but today i do not think that is the case i think ultimately We can all agree, nothing very productive comes out of the debates, although I will say we've gotten some beautiful Trump moments in the debates in the past.

00:16:14.000 I just don't know how you guys feel about it.

00:16:15.000 What was the most entertaining thing about the Trump debates, and part of why they were so productive, is because they were so unlike all of the other ones that we had seen.

00:16:23.000 And people in the media would complain about his performance because they'd say, he's making a mockery out of the discourse.

00:16:29.000 No, you've made a mockery out of the discourse.

00:16:32.000 You're going to give us press conferences where everyone's stating their party lines and tell us it's a debate.

00:16:37.000 That's not what debate means.

00:16:39.000 So I think you're correct, Hannah Clare.

00:16:41.000 There was a point in time where it made sense to have these political leaders get together and then state their party platform.

00:16:46.000 But people know the party platform now.

00:16:48.000 If you're gonna get together, you should actually have a debate.

00:16:50.000 You should have a conversation about the merit of the ideas that you're espousing, and not make personal, like, look, there's nothing wrong with making a quote-unquote personal attack about another political leader because a politician isn't just a set of ideas, they're supposed to be a leader, and we as the people should be concerned about the substance of their moral character.

00:17:06.000 I reject this idea that we shouldn't scrutinize politicians, that it's wrong for one political leader to bring up baggage that another political leader has as a person, and not just as a set of policies.

00:17:16.000 But that said, The only value...

00:17:20.000 To these debates, I would say is essentially that.

00:17:23.000 You do have moments where they call each other out, but they don't really get into policy.

00:17:27.000 They don't really have a back and forth.

00:17:29.000 I would agree with you. 0.99

00:17:30.000 I think for the most part, it's trash. 0.99

00:17:33.000 It feels like a skin suit. 0.98

00:17:34.000 Like the way they don't even look at each other a lot of times.

00:17:36.000 They'll be looking straight forward out at the audience.

00:17:38.000 They'll say, you know, they'll ask a question and the guy will turn and look out at the audience and answer it, but I need them out to make eye contact.

00:17:44.000 I think that the internet's changed everything.

00:17:45.000 I mean, not everything, that's hyperbolic, but the internet has completely It's been revolutionary to the way we live our lives.

00:17:57.000 Like when you see a politician going, well this show, or I was going to say Rogan, but like this show, like two hours of listening to Vivek explain himself That's better than any piece by six minute clip or four minute clip.

00:18:11.000 Right.

00:18:12.000 And I think there's, I mean, first off, to your point, what did we say right as he was leaving?

00:18:15.000 I'm going to live stream my speech tomorrow.

00:18:17.000 He doesn't need a TV station to stream it for him.

00:18:20.000 He has control of that himself.

00:18:21.000 As long as his audience is able to find him, it's revolutionary.

00:18:24.000 The Internet is in some ways this double-edged sword.

00:18:27.000 Of course, at times it is extremely dangerous.

00:18:29.000 Other times it's obviously incredibly important.

00:18:32.000 For me, I find that I want to hear different pairings speak up.

00:18:37.000 So if you have, you know, a crowd, I can't even remember how many people are running off the top of my head right now, but if we have eight people who are seeking the presidency and they all cluster onto stage, how effective are you really going, what message are you going to get there?

00:18:49.000 One person might be able to dominate, we might be able to get through one slightly interesting conversation, but are we actually as a party advancing a platform?

00:18:57.000 If you have 12 Democrats on stage, do they at the end of the debate say, Okay, so we've reached a consensus and here's how we're moving forward.

00:19:03.000 No, it's just about dominating the conversation and possibly making someone else look bad and now that you have the internet to make a clip go viral and I think that that is sort of a crime to the voter.

00:19:13.000 I understand why people think it's a system because it feels traditional but maybe we don't need this anymore or maybe it needs a very strong restructuring.

00:19:23.000 It would be interesting if they actually were like, you know, let's talk, and if you're better than me, I want you to be president kind of thing.

00:19:29.000 Like, I'm running, you're running, but if you're better than me, I want you to win because you're better than me and I care about the country.

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 I don't, I've never seen that.

00:19:35.000 That would be hard for them to like, they have all these donors who spent millions of dollars on them.

00:19:40.000 Who want a return on their investment.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, if I was like donating money to someone and they were like, you know what, I've changed my mind, I might be a little bit like offended by that.

00:19:49.000 So maybe they wouldn't overtly say, like, I hope you win or any of that bullshit, but if they're in their mind, like, this guy actually is better, is a more reliable, should be the president.

00:19:57.000 Like, I could see that humility would be a great part of it.

00:20:00.000 And I keep thinking about the 2008 Democratic cycle where there was, like, literally, like, 10 to 12 people standing up at a podium.

00:20:07.000 Everyone got to speak for, like, 5, 10, 12 seconds.

00:20:09.000 And then they'd scream.

00:20:10.000 They'd, like, throw an insult down the line.

00:20:12.000 But they wouldn't even look at each other.

00:20:13.000 It was only, like, Mike Gravel that really, like, confronted everybody on stage and was like, You war hawks, look at them all on stage, a bunch of old... You, Joe, you... And this is why, like, well, you know, he's not here, let's compliment him behind his back, but Vivek is someone who I would like to see on stage with some of these other people, so I think there's validity there.

00:20:31.000 As mentioned earlier, part of why Trump made those debates so entertaining and impactful and even meaningful was because he was outside of the establishment and he was standing there criticizing these people in ways that they hadn't been criticized before.

00:20:44.000 And I think this is what's at the center of all of this, in my humble opinion as the host of ShimCast IRL.

00:20:52.000 When these politicians go on stage with one another, you have one slimy establishment politician talking to another slimy establishment politician.

00:21:00.000 Uh, who represent different values, but values that are acceptable to the slimy establishment.

00:21:04.000 So they'll call each other out on things that are outside of their status quo, but they won't call each other out for the establishment nonsense.

00:21:11.000 Or, if they do, that other, they'll, they'll go lighter on it and they won't mention the thing that person is doing, which they are also doing.

00:21:17.000 Donald Trump wasn't like that.

00:21:18.000 Donald Trump literally said, yeah, no, yeah, I get around paying a lot of my taxes because there's a lot of loopholes in the law.

00:21:26.000 You know why there's loopholes in the law, Hillary? 1.00

00:21:28.000 Because you and your friends wrote him that way, because that's what your donors wanted.

00:21:32.000 He didn't pretend, oh no, I don't take advantage of the system.

00:21:34.000 He said, no, that makes me smart.

00:21:36.000 These are the incentives you've created.

00:21:38.000 You've made these incentives, and now you're trying to criticize me for following them.

00:21:43.000 That was the beauty of him being in the debates.

00:21:48.000 The rest of the debates are literally just, again, two people throwing softballs to each other, because like, right, if you're a Democrat, Ian, right, and I'm a Republican, And I say to you... Why'd you say that?

00:21:59.000 Just to play role, because he's an actor.

00:22:00.000 Because he's an actor.

00:22:02.000 So you're the Democrat and I'm the Republican.

00:22:05.000 And as a Republican, I say something to you like, I don't like your socialist agenda that will force the American people to give up more of their income.

00:22:14.000 And then what do you say to that as a Democrat?

00:22:17.000 This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:22:21.000 This guy slept with his friend's wife! 0.99

00:22:25.000 I was thinking that might be a more Trump answer, to be honest. 0.78

00:22:28.000 That was way better!

00:22:30.000 Alright, we'll do a two-faced thing.

00:22:32.000 I'll turn in different directions.

00:22:33.000 Alright, so the Republican says, this socialist wants to raise your taxes, and the Democrat says, you know, maybe if he's more civil, but though I agree with you, that does sometimes happen.

00:22:42.000 The Democrat maybe goes, He doesn't realize that we should care for each other.

00:22:47.000 Like, every criticism leveled by your opponent becomes a softball for you to just hit out of the park because the country's so polarized that any criticism they make of you is a criticism a Democrat wants to be made of them or that a Republican wants to be made about them.

00:23:04.000 People are fine being criticized for ideological reasons.

00:23:07.000 People are fine when their opponents say something to them like, You're a fascist, that's like, no I'm not, but I know you're only calling me that because I believe in law and order.

00:23:19.000 What they don't want to hear is, hey, who are you taking money from?

00:23:23.000 Why are you taking money from them?

00:23:25.000 Those are the things that are always avoided on stage, and it's not because they like each other so much, it's because if I point out what you're doing, you're going to point out what I'm doing.

00:23:33.000 I do not hear them talk a lot about the pharmaceutical cartels.

00:23:36.000 I would like to.

00:23:37.000 I don't hear them talk a lot about the Federal Reserve.

00:23:39.000 Well, I shouldn't say don't.

00:23:40.000 I haven't in the past heard them talk.

00:23:42.000 I do now that we have shows like this, which makes it much more entertaining, especially being able to interface directly with the candidates.

00:23:48.000 I believe he had, he has some, uh, he was in pharma, like in pharmacy.

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:52.000 He became a multimillionaire.

00:23:54.000 I mean, he's worth about 500 million.

00:23:55.000 You're talking about Vivek.

00:23:56.000 He had a pharmaceutical company.

00:23:58.000 He said that they'd patented five, I think five drugs, successful drugs to market.

00:24:02.000 And then he was like the pharma company, the whole place hates me.

00:24:05.000 I mean, because he's basically stepped away from that company in order to talk about the ills and the dangers of the industry.

00:24:11.000 Although we didn't get too deep into that earlier today.

00:24:13.000 I mean, we talked about so many things that were awesome.

00:24:16.000 It's only a two hour show.

00:24:17.000 There's only so much we can do.

00:24:18.000 I mean, I think part of the privilege of having a job like this is the fact that we, you know, especially because thanks to our members, you know, we've had so much support and we've grown so much through word of mouth that we're able to sit in a room with a presidential candidate, right?

00:24:34.000 But that's not true for everybody.

00:24:36.000 And so the question is, how do we get the average voter to have accessible information And a true chance to hear about the ideas from the candidate is a debate, a nationally televised debate with, you know, five to eight speakers at a time, the most effective way.

00:24:55.000 And I think in the spirit of innovation, there has to be something better.

00:24:59.000 So when Ron McDonald was making this comment, she said, you know, We give access to 20 million viewers and that's important.

00:25:05.000 Well, if Donald Trump just gets back on Twitter, he has 85 million followers.

00:25:10.000 We have progressed past a point of needing the mainstream media and televised debates to be the only way.

00:25:17.000 So unless there is a new model, I really don't see why the American voters would live or die by it.

00:25:24.000 I think there has to be more to offer them.

00:25:27.000 I also think it's interesting because, you know, right now we're talking about primary season, so it'll be Republican v. Republican, Democrat v. Democrat, although this time we won't necessarily have it because Joe Biden's an incumbent and he doesn't have to debate.

00:25:37.000 Of course, I would love to see him debate RFK, no one get me wrong.

00:25:42.000 When I was at, I went to SMU in Dallas, and I had a professor, Ben Voth, who did a study on debates.

00:25:48.000 He would analyze them, look for different markers, so the amount of time each candidate got to speak, how often the moderator interrupted them, fact-checking, words for a minute, things like that, and he found that Consistently, for years, Democrats get more time to speak.

00:26:05.000 They are less likely to be interrupted by the moderator.

00:26:07.000 Republicans are more likely to be interrupted by the moderator.

00:26:09.000 But, seemingly subconsciously, all of them say more words per minute.

00:26:14.000 It's as if, on some level, you know, perhaps over the years they pick this up, they learn to speak more quickly.

00:26:19.000 On the other hand, maybe they're aware of the environment they're in.

00:26:22.000 And to that end, as we saw with this town hall, the fact that CNN pulled it after, you know, not that long, We can't trust the media that is putting on the debate, you know?

00:26:33.000 So even if we had candidates who were going up there and really saying informed and interesting things, would the moderators allow those conversations to go forward or would they interrupt them?

00:26:42.000 Would we actually get effective conversation?

00:26:45.000 Beyond just the cheap shots that candidates take from each other, do we have any structure that allows for information and a true dialogue about the ideals of each party to be really debated, not just sort of spat at one another?

00:26:59.000 Did you say that CNN pulled off the offline or something?

00:27:03.000 The town hall ended early.

00:27:04.000 Oh, oh, okay.

00:27:05.000 And I think it's because I don't think it was going so well for them.

00:27:07.000 Yeah, I don't think it was either. 0.99

00:27:09.000 Um, oh shit, I was gonna say something cool. 0.94

00:27:12.000 I also keep thinking we're about to go to Cutler's. 0.99

00:27:13.000 I'm getting really freaked out.

00:27:14.000 Dude, I know that exact feeling when you literally thought I was about to say something cool. 0.99

00:27:18.000 This is so much good shit. 0.99

00:27:20.000 Now it's gone. 1.00

00:27:20.000 It was, uh, something about, oh, well, one thing that I've been thinking is, I mean, it's a little crazy. 1.00

00:27:27.000 But, uh, you think there's any value to, like, a presidential candidate strapping on a neural net and allowing people to read their thoughts?

00:27:33.000 No.

00:27:34.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0.99

00:27:35.000 What a terrible president. 0.88

00:27:36.000 No, no, no. 0.98

00:27:37.000 Because here's the thing.

00:27:38.000 Anyone who's... I'll put it this way. 0.66

00:27:41.000 If they're a good, decent person, it'd be an invasion of their privacy.

00:27:44.000 And if they're not a good, decent person, what we saw would scar us.

00:27:48.000 I mean, especially with a lot of these political leaders, dude.

00:27:51.000 If you saw what is going on in Joe Biden's head, I think it would actually give you senility.

00:28:00.000 I feel like Joe Biden, there's not a lot going on up there.

00:28:03.000 It would just destroy your brain.

00:28:07.000 I remember what I was going to ask.

00:28:08.000 So we were talking, saying goodbye to Vivek while you were reading in the story.

00:28:12.000 So Ronald McDaniel is encouraging Trump to go to a debate.

00:28:17.000 She's saying that he shouldn't skip the debate, he should take part in the RNC's debate, so any candidate.

00:28:23.000 You have to have 40,000 individual donors, so it's not that you have to make a certain amount of money, you have to have a certain amount of people who have donated to your campaign to qualify to get on stage.

00:28:31.000 The other controversy with this was that the RNC for a while was saying that they, you need

00:28:35.000 to take a loyalty pledge to be on the debate stage, so if you got enough donors on top of that

00:28:39.000 you'd have to pledge to support whoever would be, whoever ends up being the party's candidate,

00:28:46.000 which you know, famously Trump was not so willing to do the last time around. Yeah, well wait,

00:28:51.000 wait, not endorse the candidate?

00:28:52.000 They would have to support... Okay, this is huge, but this is so huge.

00:28:56.000 This is yet another observation I'm gonna steal from Dave Smith here, who I always credit when I steal from him, by the way.

00:29:02.000 And he's yet to credit me for stealing my intro about how we need to roll back the state and how we're spying on all of our own citizens and our prisons are flooded with non-violent drug offenders, but that's fine, he can have it.

00:29:12.000 Everyone knows I came up with it first.

00:29:14.000 Point is, a point that Dave Smith made on his podcast was, One of the main differences between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump as outsider political leaders is that when asked if he would endorse Hillary Clinton, Bernie said he would.

00:29:27.000 He did end up endorsing her.

00:29:29.000 Okay, if you're the outsider, the establishment is going to do everything they can to ensure you don't get the nomination, and the only leverage you have against them is, I won't endorse your person, I'll run third party, and then you guys are going to lose.

00:29:42.000 And Bernie went, of course I will endorse whoever gets nominated.

00:29:45.000 And they're like, Trump, will you endorse whoever gets nominated?

00:29:49.000 Of course he didn't agree.

00:29:50.000 Yes, why, these people are my friends.

00:29:52.000 You can't get on stage and say the people you're running against are horrible establishment shills who want to make life harder for your average person and then say, but just whoever gets nominated here, you know, I'll support them.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, it's all fine and good.

00:30:05.000 We're ultimately part of the same corrupt machine.

00:30:07.000 And I think that's an excellent point.

00:30:10.000 I think that's sort of a good summary of the whole system.

00:30:13.000 If you really believe in things you believe, why would you then turn around and be like, just kidding, I'm going to support whoever.

00:30:19.000 I could understand where people argue for party loyalty, and I think there are times when that is necessary.

00:30:24.000 On the other hand, making a loyalty pledge a contingency for being on a debate stage seems like a violation of free

00:30:32.000 speech. Yeah I mean Vivek's already claimed he's not going to run he's not going to do anything

00:30:35.000 other than lead the country he's going to be a CEO or he's just going to go back to the

00:30:38.000 private sector and run the country you know from the through the economy um so that would mean he's not

00:30:42.000 going to do the debate either if they're going to force him to say he's going to subjugate well I

00:30:46.000 guess support the candidate without having to actually run it yeah.

00:30:49.000 And I appreciate that he was saying, Vivek was saying, he would not be anything other than the president.

00:30:55.000 I mean, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but in any way, I think he was pretty much saying that.

00:30:58.000 Because even if he would, Well, I'm not saying to lie, but if I go up there and I'm running for president, I'm like, yeah, but I'll totally be VP.

00:31:06.000 If I don't get it, then they'll be like, oh, OK, then we don't have to vote for him because he'll be VP anyway.

00:31:10.000 So you kind of have to.

00:31:10.000 Yeah.

00:31:11.000 I think there's something strategic to it.

00:31:12.000 But I also think for him, maybe that really is the case.

00:31:15.000 I mean, I think this comment on you're wired a certain way.

00:31:18.000 I think there are some people like his observation.

00:31:20.000 I don't think Trump could be vice president.

00:31:22.000 I think that's very true.

00:31:23.000 Very true.

00:31:24.000 I don't think that that's necessarily the case.

00:31:26.000 Can you imagine that?

00:31:27.000 That's the thing.

00:31:28.000 It's impossible to imagine.

00:31:30.000 Vice President Donald Trump.

00:31:31.000 I'm the president actually.

00:31:33.000 I'm back on Twitter.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, it would just be crazy.

00:31:37.000 And also that president would be like, please reign it in.

00:31:39.000 I picked you because everyone likes you, but I don't actually want you to do anything.

00:31:41.000 It would just be a nightmarish for everyone involved.

00:31:44.000 But I think part of it is This is the cycle where I am actually hopeful that there is a third party candidate with RFK because I think he's so interesting.

00:31:52.000 Again, I don't think I actually line up a lot in his camp, but I think he brings up interesting concepts.

00:31:57.000 I think he is one of the people really controlling narrative on policy in our country right now, and I think that's so important in political leaders.

00:32:05.000 Even if I don't agree with them, it is interesting to see what you're bringing up.

00:32:08.000 Um, and I think, you know, that is actually something, that's one of the reasons that the left attacks him so hard, because if he runs third party, he will hemorrhage votes.

00:32:18.000 It's not that he will necessarily win as a third party candidate, it's that he will be damaging to the Democrat vote base.

00:32:23.000 Right, exactly.

00:32:24.000 And so this is part of why I'm really hoping he runs third party, because...

00:32:29.000 I would like the Democrats to have one of their candidates run third party.

00:32:32.000 I think that would be good for the Republicans.

00:32:34.000 That said, I also, to be honest, I would like to see him get the nomination.

00:32:39.000 I would never vote for RFK.

00:32:41.000 He's pro-choice.

00:32:42.000 That's my number one issue.

00:32:43.000 He's also pro-gun control.

00:32:45.000 I mean, he's a Democrat, right?

00:32:46.000 And it can become easy to become infatuated with these anti-establishment figures, but we've got to remember their values are not our values.

00:32:52.000 That said, he's a step in the right direction for the Democratic Party.

00:32:55.000 He's not nearly as bad as the others.

00:32:57.000 And I'll say this, even though I disagree with him on a lot, I commend him for being an original thinker, for not just getting in line and obeying what the party tells him.

00:33:04.000 I think there's value there.

00:33:05.000 So I think a democratic party which embraces him is a party which is going to do less evil, and I will also say that even though I don't want the Democrats to win any elections, What Trump did in the Republican Party by making it clear that there was a massive hunger for anti-establishment, anti-war candidates is exactly what I think RFK has the potential to do to the Democratic Party.

00:33:34.000 Maybe not in the exact same way, you know, we compare the two of them because they're both anti-establishment, but the truth is it's very difficult to compare anyone in politics to Trump.

00:33:43.000 RFK is an interesting figure.

00:33:44.000 He has the appeal of being a familiar name.

00:33:48.000 He's a Kennedy.

00:33:48.000 He's part of that dynasty.

00:33:50.000 So, in that sense, he has some of the benefits of being an insider, at least in terms of his quote-unquote brand name.

00:33:57.000 However, he actually is an outsider in terms of thought, and I think it actually gives him even more credibility, the fact that he is part of this political family in our country, and yet he's willing to stand up to the political establishment.

00:34:08.000 That costs him more than somebody who's an ideological outsider Who isn't related to people who are pushing the agenda.

00:34:17.000 So again, I commend him there.

00:34:19.000 He's a step in the right direction for the Democratic Party, but that's also coming from somebody who's going to vote Republican.

00:34:25.000 Yeah.

00:34:25.000 I think it'd be so fun to have him on the show.

00:34:27.000 If we could get R.P.

00:34:27.000 on the show, it'd be so fascinating.

00:34:28.000 I would love to talk with him.

00:34:30.000 As soon as possible.

00:34:31.000 Him and Vivek together on Culture War or something would be badass too.

00:34:34.000 Or on this show.

00:34:36.000 I was just gonna say, like, Vivek and RFK being here on Culture War in a more moderate setting, I think you would get higher quality information than you would with a traditional debate, you know?

00:34:48.000 I just think that overcrowded stage, you know, we ultimately don't get very much.

00:34:52.000 I mean, as a journalist it's kind of nice because you get like a bunch of people all together and you can get a bunch of short quotes, but do you want people to have meaningful information?

00:35:00.000 That system's not working.

00:35:01.000 I was wondering what you guys think about if, okay, so Trump yesterday said he was, I believe he was going to be arrested for his connection to January 6th.

00:35:08.000 Would that preclude, preclude, is that the right word?

00:35:10.000 Would that remove him from being able to run for office?

00:35:13.000 No.

00:35:13.000 You can be convicted of a felony and you can be literally serving time in prison and run for president.

00:35:19.000 But he won't actually use his phone or anything?

00:35:21.000 Deserving a felony is one of the requirements for running.

00:35:22.000 That's true.

00:35:24.000 But that also means that one of the problems is like if they bring him to trial, you know, if you spend all the time in court, you can't spend time outside campaigning, right?

00:35:33.000 So there are some other burdens there.

00:35:34.000 I think part of it is that they think if they can get him convicted, then like enough people will be like, we can't have a felon as a president.

00:35:41.000 That's crazy.

00:35:42.000 It would be a little bizarre.

00:35:44.000 I understand that.

00:35:44.000 But there's actually nothing that would legally preclude him from being president.

00:35:48.000 It's interesting because on a state level, I was talking to, I did a story a couple months ago.

00:35:53.000 Oh my gosh, I've worked here for longer than I can remember.

00:35:56.000 I did a story for Timcast about some libertarians who had won local level in Pennsylvania and one of the people had been convicted of a felony and she was being told she couldn't hold office when at the state, at the local level, you couldn't like, these things become very challenging.

00:36:14.000 Ultimately, For the most part.

00:36:16.000 At the state level, you cannot be convicted of a felony and hold office, but you can run for federal office.

00:36:21.000 That's why you actually haven't run for local office, right?

00:36:25.000 I haven't run for local office because I don't have the time.

00:36:27.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:36:27.000 Surprised you got the job here with that record of yours.

00:36:31.000 You're saying that to me?

00:36:32.000 With your questionable rumors?

00:36:33.000 You're bringing up anybody's uh... That's a good point.

00:36:35.000 Allegations are not convictions, Hanfler.

00:36:38.000 Yeah, but spoons lost are not spoons.

00:36:40.000 At all.

00:36:41.000 Oh yeah, that's what I was thinking, actually.

00:36:43.000 There's spoons somewhere, but not with me, because I'm innocent.

00:36:46.000 Yeah.

00:36:46.000 This the Spoongate stuff is crazy and I will say I think I'm being framed.

00:36:50.000 There's a picture circulating on Twitter of a spoon on my desk that says Seamus's Spoon underneath and you know, I find this to be a crazy violation of my personal space.

00:37:02.000 I would agree.

00:37:02.000 Who did that?

00:37:03.000 Um, I have my suspicions.

00:37:05.000 I will say I share an office with Chris Burtman, and I left to take a personal phone call.

00:37:09.000 Came back, there was no spoon on my desk, but then suddenly Twitter was telling me this.

00:37:12.000 So, I don't know what to think of it.

00:37:14.000 Hannah Clare's a real journalist.

00:37:15.000 Hannah Clare gives us the facts.

00:37:16.000 And that's why she's repeatedly given the evidence that has made the case for my innocence.

00:37:22.000 But aside from, aside from, you guys know me.

00:37:26.000 I wouldn't do that.

00:37:27.000 I wouldn't do something like that.

00:37:30.000 That's also, that's worth more than all the evidence in the world, isn't it?

00:37:33.000 I will say you are dominating, I believe, I don't really understand how to access Discord.

00:37:36.000 I'm sorry guys, I will figure it out.

00:37:38.000 But I've heard that this conversation is really dominating Discord.

00:37:41.000 And you know who used to dominate Discord?

00:37:44.000 One particular cult leader, Chris Burtman.

00:37:46.000 So maybe there's some jealousy going on?

00:37:48.000 I think he's crying.

00:37:49.000 Soundgarden.

00:37:50.000 Doing Spoonman with Shaman's Face on- Shaman's Face?

00:37:53.000 Like Shaman. 0.88

00:37:54.000 Q Shaman. 0.98

00:37:55.000 Yeah, right on Chris Cornell.

00:37:56.000 I just want to say one quick thing before we cut the show off.

00:38:00.000 Everyone here is- we're still watching.

00:38:01.000 Oh, you think you're the authority here?

00:38:02.000 Yeah, I am.

00:38:02.000 Who do you think you are?

00:38:03.000 I run the show.

00:38:04.000 I make this all happen.

00:38:04.000 When Tim's away, Surge is in charge.

00:38:06.000 Surge will play.

00:38:07.000 Yeah, I just want to say that I think it's- commenting on RFK and also on Vivek at the same time.

00:38:12.000 Vivek, ugh.

00:38:13.000 I was thinking out properly.

00:38:15.000 Hey, you made it.

00:38:16.000 You started this.

00:38:17.000 Yeah, you said it wrong a couple times.

00:38:18.000 You made a couple errors.

00:38:20.000 On air?

00:38:21.000 I thought I said Vivek.

00:38:22.000 Only when you read a Superchase, you said Vivek one time.

00:38:24.000 It happens.

00:38:25.000 It's okay.

00:38:25.000 But anyway, I just want to say that people forget that, like, and I used to be a person that thought this too.

00:38:30.000 There's two parties, yes, but there are coalitions in these smaller parties.

00:38:33.000 Like, we're a coalition.

00:38:35.000 Myself and an Irish Catholic are a coalition.

00:38:37.000 We believe a lot of the same things.

00:38:39.000 We are not exactly the same on everything, but we do have a lot of things.

00:38:43.000 We realize that the enemy, the person we're fighting is... Is Tim.

00:38:47.000 That's right.

00:38:48.000 We have a coalition.

00:38:49.000 We have a coalition.

00:38:50.000 The point is we have a coalition.

00:38:50.000 I think that if RFK is a representative of a coalition forming the Democratic Party at all, it's a sign of maybe we are going to win the overall culture war in a positive way.

00:39:03.000 Because I've met a lot of Democrats that are fans of him, and again, if they pull the votes and they make this vote a little less, you know, I don't know.

00:39:13.000 If they affect the Democratic nominee in a negative way, I think we should be supporting it.

00:39:19.000 Like you just said, but I think people forget, if it's showing anything, it's showing that there are people in the Democratic Party that are It seems like if Biden is gonna run, Michelle Obama won't.

00:39:27.000 And then if Michelle Obama doesn't run, RFK could easily strip the votes away.

00:39:29.000 good sign. That's a good indicator that we're doing something good here. It seems

00:39:33.000 like if Biden is gonna run, Michelle Obama won't. And then if Michelle Obama

00:39:37.000 doesn't run, RFK could easily strip the votes away. So Biden should step out and

00:39:43.000 let Michelle Obama come in if they want to win the Democratic, the presidency. 1.00

00:39:48.000 But he's already said he's gonna run, right?

00:39:49.000 Barring some medical emergency, Biden believes he is going to run for second term.

00:39:54.000 He's going to beat his own record as our oldest president.

00:39:56.000 And that's not to be ageist.

00:39:57.000 That's to point out the fact that he is not doing so well.

00:40:00.000 So there's obviously some turmoil within the structure of the Democratic establishment.

00:40:05.000 You would get Biden saying, I'm going to run again.

00:40:07.000 And then his press secretary is being like, oh, he's still talking to his family about it.

00:40:11.000 Like, I think his own administration didn't want to run, but he wanted to.

00:40:16.000 You know, we'll see what happens but I think, you know, obviously I fall, I lean more conservative so I tend to vote for conservative candidates and I will vote Republican most likely because there's a couple issues that are the biggest deal to me that Democrats never take the opinion I like on.

00:40:31.000 So that's okay, that's how that works.

00:40:33.000 But I think it's easy for us to then say, like, oh, look at all this turmoil in the Republican Party, when there's actually lots of turmoil in the DNC as well.

00:40:40.000 And RFK is in a unique position to really do something with that, even if it's not a victory.

00:40:45.000 Even if he doesn't get the White House, he is influential in a way that is just fun to see because it makes politics less boring.

00:40:51.000 Yes, exactly.

00:40:52.000 Now, Seamus, hey, Hannah, here's a power move. 1.00

00:40:55.000 Show over!

00:40:56.000 Hate crime!

00:40:57.000 End transmission!

00:40:58.000 My name is Hannah Clare.

00:40:58.000 End transmission!

00:40:59.000 This is Brimcast.

00:41:00.000 Show over!

00:41:01.000 Stop! 1.00

00:41:02.000 How do I make this stop?

00:41:03.000 Stop! 1.00

00:41:04.000 End!

00:41:04.000 Show!

00:41:05.000 Stop! 1.00

00:41:05.000 Over! 1.00

00:41:05.000 Wow, you don't need to stop your own show? 1.00

00:41:07.000 Interesting.

00:41:08.000 Hey everybody, thanks for joining us!

00:41:09.000 Have a great night!

00:41:10.000 End the show!

00:41:11.000 See, I am in control.

00:41:12.000 Show over!

00:41:13.000 Episode over!

00:41:14.000 I am in control.

00:41:14.000 No!

00:41:15.000 End the episode!

00:41:15.000 No matter what he does, I'm in control.

00:41:17.000 End the show!

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