Dave and Alex are in Martinsburg, WV tracking the results of the Democratic primary, and trying to figure out if Nikki Haley is going to beat Donald Trump in the primary tonight. Plus, they talk about the exit polls, and if Joe Biden or Donald Trump is actually going to win the primary.
00:00:00.000It is Super Tuesday and we are all here gathered in Martinsburg, West Virginia for our first
00:00:23.000We're in the actual Cass Brew Coffee building, on the third floor.
00:00:26.000We've got a great live audience with us today.
00:00:28.000And we're here to waste time and pretend like there's actually an election happening, because everybody knows Joe Biden's gonna win all the Democrat primary, Donald Trump's gonna win all the Republican primary.
00:00:37.000But I can't help but think there's something they're doing with Nikki Haley?
00:00:44.000I don't know what she's thinking is going to happen and we're going to go track the exit polls and take a look at who won, I guess.
00:00:54.000I'll be honest, it's better than what these cable news networks are doing where they're like, we're here to give you real-time results as if there's an actual election happening.
00:01:00.000But hey, maybe we'll eat crow and Nikki Haley will somehow end up winning something.
00:01:05.000So we're gonna talk about that, plus we've got, uh, we've got other stories to talk about, of course, in politics.
00:01:08.000I think the exit polls are actually really interesting, because what we are learning, immigration is the number one issue for, uh, for most people right now.
00:01:15.000Overtaking the economy, which is actually kind of shocking, but I do think it's because immigration ties into the economy, so.
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00:03:56.000I'm just gonna say, if you threw 10 bucks down on Nikki Haley to win every single primary tonight, I genuinely think, Tim, if it hit, You must be worth more money than Elon Musk.
00:06:00.000I don't know if that's a problem or not.
00:06:02.000I think one of my favorite moments from the night already was when one of the members of the audience asked Ian what his astrological sign was.
00:07:00.000Dean Phillips was running for a second, trying against Biden.
00:07:03.000Yeah, he's a congressman from Minnesota, and he declared a run against Biden.
00:07:07.000He's running as a Democrat, and he said basically he's been positioning himself as a moderate.
00:07:11.000At one point, he was saying, maybe Nikki Haley will be my VP so we can have a unity ticket, which sounds terrible to me, but... Okay, Dave.
00:07:28.000Isn't it so funny too that she, uh, she just, she's lost everything except DC, which like if you were working for Trump's campaign, you'd be like, yeah, please give her DC.
00:07:57.000By the way, it should be pointed out, I mentioned this before we started recording, but look, the DNC, which is The most corrupt organization in the universe, perhaps?
00:08:08.000We haven't explored the entire universe, but I think it's safe to say.
00:08:11.000They, by rigging the whole thing, really robbed us of what could have been a really interesting night if RFK was actually allowed to have a primary with Joe Biden and wasn't forced to go run independent.
00:08:24.000And I was very interested in RFK's campaign before he went on his national Give a handjob to every rabbi in the country tour.
00:08:40.000But I would just say they totally drove him out and that would have actually been, this would have been a really interesting night if it was RFK versus Joe Biden and seeing where the chips fell on that one.
00:08:51.000I think it might be still comparable to Nikki Haley.
00:09:57.000And we're still waiting on the rest of the results where they will call it all for Donald Trump.
00:10:01.000And then we're going to pretend like we're surprised, I guess.
00:10:04.000I really wish I had, like, an insider scoop from her war room right now of what state they're like, I really, really think we can get Colorado.
00:10:10.000Like, what state does Nikki Haley's team seriously think they could secure?
00:10:14.000It's not even to be mean, like, what are the odds here?
00:10:52.000I mean, I think that... You think she has a real point here?
00:10:55.000I think that the goal of the Nikki Haley campaign, and I think she's actually even made this quite clear, where she's kind of said the quiet part out loud.
00:11:03.000Like, didn't she say, I think over the last week, she said, like, well, if there are going to be legal cases against Donald Trump, they shouldn't wait till after the election.
00:11:12.000Look, there's been a whole... Obviously, look, as I'm sure almost everyone here knows, Our government is not actually run by elected representatives.
00:11:24.000I'm sorry to shock everyone here, but there are unelected, shadowy figures who have far more power than even the President of the United States has.
00:11:33.000The head of the Federal Reserve has far more power than the President of the United States has.
00:11:41.000The head of the CIA has far more power than the President of the United States has.
00:11:44.000And all of the really powerful people have signaled That under no circumstances will Donald Trump be allowed to be President of the United States again.
00:11:54.000And Nikki Haley is playing the game of let me hang out here and see if by some other forces Donald Trump is removed and then I get the nomination.
00:12:18.000I love making this reference because it's from a children's show, but I think it's Justice League.
00:12:25.000Lex Luthor, the comic book supervillain who hates Superman, is running for president, and when one of the heroes confronts him, Luthor says, do you have any idea how much power I would have to give up to be president?
00:12:38.000It's fascinating to me that even children's programming thinks ten, twelve-year-old boys who watch superhero shows are smart enough to understand your government is not run by politicians but by powerful corporate interests.
00:12:50.000And not just, look, obviously there's corporate interests and money interests who have tremendous influence over our government.
00:12:57.000But I'm saying even within the government apparatus itself, Look, Chuck Schumer famously said the quiet part out loud when he was in an impromptu way on Rachel Maddow's show.
00:13:10.000It was, I believe, in January, either December 16 or January 17.
00:13:13.000It was when Trump was president-elect, before he had been sworn in.
00:13:18.000And Rachel Maddow, if you ever watch it, she kind of interrupts and she goes, look, this wasn't on the program, but Donald Trump just tweeted this.
00:14:12.000So, look, we all talk about politics and government all the time, and it's like if we're talking about it and you don't recognize this reality, we're almost not even really talking about the thing that we're talking about.
00:14:24.000This government is not run by the politicians who we elect.
00:14:43.000I'm saying that if elections are even legitimate, Doesn't really matter because none of those people run the government.
00:14:50.000I think this is really interesting because Nikki Haley, when she gave that speech, you know, her, I am not dropping out speech, which bad luck that you have to even make that.
00:14:59.000But she said, if, if I were to drop out right now, this would be the longest general election in American history.
00:15:07.000Like if we stopped worrying about who's going to be the president of families, if we accept that it's going to be a Biden, Trump matchup, any conservative, libertarian, independent
00:15:16.000could really demand that you hear more specifically who is going to be in your cabinet, who
00:15:20.000are you going to appoint to these positions of power, what are you going to do to change. We
00:15:23.000don't want it to just be, oh yes, we'll talk about it later, we need specific names. Because
00:15:27.000we basically already know these people's platforms. We don't need to go over this again, we need to
00:16:43.000But to your point, I mean look, what a ridiculous rationalization from Nikki Haley, because the reality is that you're asking people to continue to donate money, to donate their time, to volunteer for your campaign, to come out and cast ballots for you, and there's only really two reasons you could possibly ask for that.
00:17:04.000Number one is that there's a path to victory, and number two is that Our campaign is spreading some type of message that is important, that is necessary.
00:17:13.000And what is Nikki Haley's... First of all, there's no path to victory, other than Donald Trump gets arrested or something like that.
00:18:00.000If she dropped out and then Trump were removed from the ballot, could she go back in?
00:18:05.000Or are you, once you're out, are you out?
00:18:10.000Theoretically, if nobody reaches the, uh, whatever the 1200 or whatever delegates you need, the RNC gets to pick who the nominee is.
00:18:17.000There's no like inherent democratic process forced into primary processes.
00:18:24.000So like they can, the RNC can decide whoever they want the nominee to be at the convention if nobody meets the threshold.
00:18:33.000I gotta ask Dave a question because we've had many people speculate on this show, but what you said a moment ago is that they will not allow Donald Trump to be president.
00:18:43.000These people have substantially more power.
00:18:51.000It's looking like his trials are going to be delayed well beyond the election, so that's not going to matter.
00:18:55.000You know, look, we still have... It's a weird thing in the United States of America, right?
00:19:00.000Like, you have, say, like, the Constitution, and you could read the Constitution and then look at the government that we have right now and recognize that it bears no resemblance to this document.
00:19:11.000And the truth is that it's a very kind of uniquely American idea.
00:19:14.000There's lots of countries out there that don't have written constitutions.
00:19:17.000They just kind of have, like, norms and precedents and things like that.
00:19:23.000We do still have like these ancient dying structures of some degree of separation of powers of some of these institutions.
00:19:34.000And you saw this with the Supreme Court the other day, like it was unanimous.
00:19:38.000Everyone's like, no, there's just, there's no way you can interpret from the constitution that you can just scream insurrectionist and then take someone off the ballot.
00:19:47.000You know, like even the liberal justices were like, this is too ridiculous.
00:19:50.000And so you do still have this process.
00:19:52.000Look, they can't just bring a charge of insurrection against him and then bring that to court.
00:20:11.000I'm not talking about being impeached.
00:20:12.000I know, I know, but this is arguably for a president under the immunity argument.
00:20:16.000The process goes, an impeachment is effectively the indictment, and then if you are convicted by the Senate, it opens you up to criminal prosecution.
00:20:22.000Sure, so I was just, I was referring to criminal.
00:20:24.000I'm saying they couldn't even get him on the impeachment over it, let alone the idea of they could actually bring criminal charges.
00:20:29.000My point is, double jeopardy might actually apply.
00:20:32.000Oh, you think because of the impeachment?
00:20:34.000An argument that's been made is he's already been effectively charged and tried and acquitted.
00:20:42.000I don't know whether that's right or not, but that's interesting.
00:20:44.000But I'm just making the point that, look, there are these things that they're trying to go through clearly to get him removed from the race.
00:20:54.000I don't know exactly how this plays out.
00:20:56.000I will say that Donald Trump's enemies are the most powerful people in the history of the world.
00:21:08.000And if you're betting on who wins that bet, that fight?
00:21:21.000So I would just say that it's certainly, look, if we're just going by democracy, then obviously Donald, look, Donald Trump is clearly going to win the nomination.
00:21:32.000If we're just going by democracy, it seems like a pretty good bet that he would beat Joe Biden in an election right now.
00:21:39.000But there's lots of other factors other than the democratic process.
00:21:42.000Let me pull up this, this is from NBC News' live tracker.
00:21:46.000Which of these four issues mattered most in deciding your vote today?
00:21:49.000And this is for Virginia, Virginia GOP primary voters.
00:21:52.000Immigration is the most important for Virginia Republican voters.
00:21:56.000I find that to be particularly interesting.
00:21:59.000And of course, they're two to one supporting Donald Trump.
00:22:02.000We've seen these polls already over and over again that immigration has become the principal issue in this election, which is crazy because of the famous saying, it's the economy, stupid.
00:22:18.000The issue now is immigration is an economic issue and a crime issue.
00:22:23.000And, you know, I was talking to a young business owner, I mentioned this the other day on the show, a young business owner said, he's Gen Z, he runs his own business, he works hard every day, and he can't afford rent, he can barely afford to live.
00:22:33.000And then I said, and these non-citizens they're bringing in, they're being given debit cards, luxury hotels, and he was like, exactly.
00:22:40.000Not only that- He said he voted for Biden last time, he's gonna vote for Trump this time.
00:22:44.000In California, they're getting, uh, you know, houses with no payments down, no interest for a year, no interest loans, all of this stuff.
00:22:58.000People are like, Oh, I came here cause I could get a whole bunch of free stuff.
00:23:02.000We don't give free stuff to all of the Americans and Americans for the most part, don't want free stuff.
00:23:06.000They want the opportunity to work for a living and raise their families and do right.
00:23:10.000This is actually wild, because I'm talking to this dude, and he was like, you know, the thing is, when they started giving all these illegal immigrants these hotel rooms, they kind of just explained they could have solved the homeless crisis overnight.
00:23:22.000But they chose to give it to the non-citizens instead of solving the homeless crisis.
00:23:25.000And I was like, don't vote for Democrats!
00:23:27.000Well, it does, it seems like, look, from my perspective, like, I'm like a radical libertarian, and basically my My philosophical position is that governments are criminal gangs by their very nature and that they're always screwing over their own people.
00:23:42.000But at least historically, they try to mask that.
00:24:03.000Of course, the other example is, look, in San Francisco, when they cleaned up The streets because she was coming in to meet with Biden and they just let you know that they can clean up San Francisco like that if they want to, but they don't care to do it.
00:24:22.000They even said it because people were like, oh, you're doing this because the fancy people are coming down and Newsom was like, yeah, that's right.
00:24:35.000Number one, the reason it's a big issue is because Americans feel disenfranchised with a government that does not care about them.
00:24:41.000It's criminal, it's economic, but it's also just civic, right?
00:24:44.000You're saying that people who come here illegally, who do not participate or share the burdens that you do, both ethically, morally, philosophically, are able to take advantage from a system that you helped build, right?
00:24:56.000You aren't given the same passes that they are.
00:24:58.000I mean, one of the stories that always comes back to me is I know someone out here in West Virginia who got into like a minor traffic accident and he hit a piece of government property and he was facing jail time and he was standing in front of the judge and the person in front of him was an illegal immigrant and the judge said, hold on, before we go, do you know that you can contact this non-profit organization and they'll set you up with a lawyer and they'll help you and this, that, and the other.
00:25:22.000Meanwhile, the American citizen who made a mistake, you know, whatever else, Uh, was having to pay for his own legal services.
00:25:29.000The judge was not nearly as lenient or supportive.
00:25:32.000And it's this direct comparison of, well, you broke the law, but it's okay.
00:25:36.000But if you are here and we, as a country, have a duty to serve one another, you are treated as though you're the other, you are the wrong.
00:25:43.000So the term that, I believe it was Sam Francis who coined the term, but is anarcho-tyranny.
00:25:50.000And this is, it perfectly sits, and by the way, you know, I was just, I was on the phone with Michael Heiss, but who's been on the show before too, he's the founder of the Mises Caucus and the Libertarian Party, great guy, totally brilliant.
00:26:01.000And he literally said this to me, and I never even really made this connection before, but he said to me, he goes,
00:26:05.000you know, the whole immigration thing, it's just another example of anarcho-tyranny.
00:26:09.000It's like, look, if, by the way, for anyone who doesn't know the term, the idea is like,
00:26:13.000anarchism and tyranny, and even though they seem kind of like opposites,
00:26:17.000but we kind of live under an anarcho-tyrannical system, where, okay, if you're a homeless guy who wants to do
00:26:25.000heroin on the street and live there, no one's gonna stop you from doing that.
00:26:29.000But if you, citizen, want to start a business, there's 5,000 regulations that you will be forced to pass.
00:26:42.000And what Michael was pointing out to me when we were on the phone, he goes,
00:26:45.000look, if you wanna immigrate to this country legally, there's seven million hoops you have to jump through,
00:26:52.000an impossible bureaucracy, this whole crazy system, but if you just sneak over the border,
00:26:57.000you're welcomed in and given free stuff.
00:26:59.000And you're like, that's really the thing.
00:27:00.000And you get a court date like five years later.
00:27:03.000So they encourage people in this weird way.
00:27:05.000It's this crazy perverse incentive where they encourage you to do the thing
00:27:09.000we don't want you to do, rather than the civilized thing.
00:27:12.000I think a portion of anarcho-tyranny, like the immigration stuff seems on purpose, like they open the border up, but for a lot of regular crime stuff what I think is police officers Have to confront a violent murderer.
00:27:50.000Now when it comes to the crimes we're seeing at the street level, these people who are looting these stores know the cops are gonna be like, I'm not going in there, there's 20 people looting a store, you want me to fight those guys?
00:28:12.000That's, there's always been an incentive problem with cops in that way that it's, it's always kind of like, obviously they'd rather deal with the non-threatening criminal than the threatening criminal.
00:28:24.000But the other thing that you deal with is like, so if you think about like, say, I mean in California and some of their major cities, it's like the most clear example of it, but where they'll D they'll essentially decriminalize shoplifting.
00:28:37.000Yet if you own the store and you go, okay cops fine You don't want to deal with my shoplifting problem, but I will hire armed security to deal with it myself They go.
00:28:47.000Well, he's not allowed to have that gun.
00:28:49.000He's not allowed to deal with them He's not allowed to grab that guy and they will come in and prosecute you if you protect your own property So it's it's like coming at regular people from both angles, intentionally to ruin our
00:32:38.000And the warning I've made, which we've already seen, is that if these riots expand into the summer again, because it wanes in the winter and comes back in the summer.
00:32:46.000Granted, Summer of Love was something else.
00:32:48.000But when riots come, eventually they come to your house, and the police are going to be standing there looking at rioters outside your home, and you and your family inside, and they're going to be thinking to themselves, how do we stop the chaos?
00:33:01.000And they're going to come to the easiest conclusion ever.
00:33:04.000They're going to say, arrest the guy in his home, because it's one arrest, he won't resist, and then the rioters will not act out.
00:33:12.000This happened in, I think it was in Wisconsin.
00:33:14.000I believe it was outside of Milwaukee.
00:33:17.000Far leftists had been protesting in front of a guy's house.
00:33:21.000This same group of people had set fire to another house.
00:33:25.000The guy in his home brandished a shotgun.
00:33:28.000I don't recommend you do that, but he did.
00:33:30.000So the police showed up, to the cheers of Black Lives Matter, and arrested the man from his own home.
00:33:36.000This will only get worse unless we recognize... I certainly don't recommend doing what the left does in terms of violence and extremism.
00:33:53.000Well, I'm not going to say always, but that last rant was totally right.
00:33:58.000Well look, this has always been true to some degree, right, that there is an advantage inherently when it comes to activism that the left-wing has over the right-wing.
00:34:08.000Because right-wingers have things that left-wingers don't have.
00:34:12.000Silly little things like jobs and families.
00:34:15.000And so they don't have, they're not just going to go protest all day, you know?
00:34:20.000But specifically in this situation, I think for anybody who's not a left-wing progressive, you know, not a woke progressive or whatever, you have to recognize that like, okay, this is the situation.
00:34:33.000If you try to, part of the reason why you're saying you don't advocate that the right embrace the tactics of the left is number one, we don't stand for that, it's wrong.
00:34:44.000But number two, because you'll just be treated like January 6th, not like the summer of love.
00:34:51.000They'll use you as an excuse to crack down on all of our civil liberties and they'll put you down with force, so it won't work anyway.
00:34:58.000So what you have to do is recognize that and then go, OK, well, what is the strategic way to fight this battle?
00:35:05.000Well, I will say there's been a few, particularly last year, there were a couple of major successes, which I do consider major successes, with Bud Light and Target.
00:35:16.000And that organized boycotts are very powerful, despite the fact that this whole economy is run off fiat money and all of this kind of fake, you know, Nonsense, they still do need customers a lot of these big and the right half of America has a lot of purchasing power And so that's a very powerful way to do it So why did those boycotts work in a way that other efforts haven't I think there just haven't been like strategic efforts like that before
00:35:44.000I don't think there was actually a line where almost every influential right winger was like, hey, we're just... And look, by the way, there's been a million things that were affronts to right wingers and their liberty and their decency more than putting Dylan Mulvaney on that Bud Light.
00:36:00.000But the gender thing is really what... No, no, no, but for whatever... I'm not saying the gender thing in general.
00:37:12.000So Bud Light, they lost $10 billion in sales, $30 billion in market cap.
00:37:18.000A lot of money to lose because you hired some millennial woman to run your marketing and then she decided the fret bro days of Bud Light are over.
00:37:37.000Well, I mean, I was going to say, the majority of presidents have been a member of fraternities.
00:37:41.000I mean, if you think of all those guys in downtown New York City and they were like, you know, stealing British cannons and blowing shit up.
00:38:19.000To be fair, to be fair, only 4% is in.
00:38:23.000But she has been losing by wider and wider margins ever since she made that I'm not dropping out speech.
00:38:28.000I mean, it was, it was like, what, just over 50, Trump got just over 50% in New Hampshire, or Iowa, then New Hampshire, and now, what was South Carolina, like 68%?
00:38:39.000Hold on, Vermont is too close to call.
00:38:41.000They're separated by one vote in Vermont.
00:38:46.000And I just want to take the time to point out to Luke Rutkowski who kept saying New Hampshire is the place to be.
00:38:52.000And New Hampshire, Nikki Haley got 43% and Vermont is next door and I said, I don't trust New Hampshire because it's surrounded by the far left.
00:39:01.000And then Luke, sure enough, moves to Florida instead.
00:39:36.000Even John Kasich, who had no other claim, he could at least say, hey look, the state where I governed them, they liked me, and they picked me, and that could kind of at least let you leave without being totally humiliated.
00:39:56.000When you lose by double digits the state you were a governor of, it's... And I think that's your point, why the margins widened after that.
00:40:06.000NBC News, with 0.2% reporting in Arkansas, it says it's too early to call, but they've still, they just called it for Trump.
00:40:52.000I know it's a, well, it's a mix of the exit polling and what the, um, what the, the districts that haven't come in yet and what they kind of know the numbers already, but it does seem a little bit ridiculous.
00:41:02.000You would think if you're being a professional, you could never with 1% in just call a race off.
00:41:08.000Look, the overwhelming narrative here is that Donald Trump is incredibly popular amongst Republican voters.
00:41:19.000The majority, somewhere between the majority to the overwhelming majority, depending on what poll you go by, of Republicans believe that the last election was stolen from Donald Trump.
00:41:43.000So you have a Republican base where the majority of people believe that he is the rightful president of the United States of America.
00:41:52.000And in that, and there are a couple of them here, and in that scenario, how you're going to beat somebody in a primary is a near impossible task.
00:42:03.000She would get substantially more respect from Trump voters if she came out and when they were like, what is your policy position and why are you better than Trump?
00:42:11.000And she went, I'm not better than Trump.
00:42:13.000I'm just, he's going to go to prison and then it's my turn.
00:42:16.000People would be like, well, you know, okay, I guess that makes sense.
00:42:19.000Instead, she's lying and insulting Joe.
00:42:21.000She's saying that she may not honor the RNC pledge, the loyalty pledge.
00:42:29.000There's no way to say that she's going to honor the pledge without admitting that she's already lost.
00:42:34.000She could have said, that's what I pledge and I will stand by my word no matter what happens, although I expect to win and every state and make Dave Smith very rich.
00:42:44.000I think it's weird that she didn't take a more definitive stance.
00:42:46.000She was like, I can't think about that right now.
00:42:48.000But what she did say was that the RNC then is not the same RNC as it is now, which I do think that that was pretty telling, that she's basically admitting that the Republican Party is moving entirely away from Her establishment neocon set up and it's moving, you know, fully definitively toward the populist MAGA movement.
00:43:07.000What I'm really interested in in this general election is I think that we have Biden voters and we have Trump voters who have completely different visions for the country and I don't think like when I was a kid.
00:43:21.000I think there was a lot of cases where you had disagreements between Republicans and Democrats, like my stepmom was a Democrat, my dad was a Republican, they would sit there at the dinner table and argue about Ronald Reagan or whatever else, but they had the same idea of what the country should be.
00:43:36.000You know, the country should be, you know, there should be God in the country.
00:43:56.000But I think we're in a situation now where the left and the right do not have any kind of unified vision for what the nation should be.
00:44:03.000And I would like to see Biden say what he thinks, or whoever's pulling his strings, say what he thinks the future of the country should look like and what Trump says the future of the country should look like, and let the American people decide what vision of the future for our nation, because it's our nation, that we want to see.
00:44:22.000I was just saying, it's not even that we have different visions for what the future should be.
00:44:26.000I mean, I totally agree with you, but it's that we're living in different realities.
00:44:32.000I believe the reality I'm living in is actual reality, but did you see just the other day when Dr. Phil was on The View?
00:44:41.000And he just mentioned at one point how closing the schools was totally obviously not the right move in hindsight, and it had all these negative externalities for little kids, and they were never really at risk of getting them.
00:44:51.000And the ladies on The View were like, they had never come in contact with this argument.
00:46:18.000But in years past, it was like the most conservative commentators and senators and governors and... Okay, this year, there's a guy, I've heard this name, I don't know who he is, Jack Prozobic.
00:46:31.000He's doing sort of like a roundtable discussion, you know, it's a convention, they have these things.
00:46:59.000That they are not, this is SIPA, this is their big, this is Republican, Conservative, their big convention, and you have a guy like this and the crowd is loving it.
00:47:08.000Welcome to the end of democracy, we're here to overthrow it.
00:47:11.000January 6th was good, now we're gonna finish the job?
00:48:03.000But I'll tell you what happened, is Jack Posobiec made a very obvious joke Where he was mocking the liberal press's interpretation of January 6th, he was laughing while he said it, the audience laughed, and then CNN ran it as if it was a real quote without showing the clip.
00:48:21.000You get a guy on TV being like, and now they're saying, did you see this?
00:48:24.000The guy's saying they want to overthrow democracy, and that they want to finish the job they didn't get done on January 6th.
00:48:29.000Then some research intern for Bill Maher writes it down on a card and hands it to him.
00:48:35.000Bill Maher never saw the clip, never googled the clip, reads it and goes, am I missing something here?
00:48:39.000They're just saying the quiet part out loud.
00:48:41.000And Bhatia Angarsargon goes, it's a joke.
00:48:54.000Okay, number one, it goes exactly to the point that you were just making about how people who watch shows like this are familiar with the progressive argument, because how could they not be?
00:49:07.000And by the way, if you don't believe, Jonathan Haidt has actually done like academic studies on this where the left-wingers will like they cannot tell you what the right-wing argument is whereas the right-wingers can tell you what the left-wing argument is and this just proves the point that just imagine what a caricature you would have to have in your mind that even if someone were to say to you hey someone at CPAC got up and said January 6th was great and we're gonna go further and we're gonna overthrow democracy you'd be like
00:50:01.000He, there was this video that was totally taken out of context of him when he made his speech that he was announcing he was running for president.
00:50:08.000He talked about the war in Ukraine, and he basically kind of like, he had like a disclaimer up front, and then talked about why the war was a total sham, and why we shouldn't be supporting them.
00:50:19.000And people just clipped the disclaimer.
00:50:22.000and didn't play the second part, and that it was making it seem like he was supporting the war in Ukraine,
00:50:27.000whereas really he came out totally against the thing.
00:51:56.000See, it makes me think his staff is, like, trying to keep him from the clips, and they're like, just read the card, no context, don't look at Twitter, don't look at anything, don't look at this at all, because there is someone malicious saying, oh my gosh, this quote is so crazy if we say it like it's serious.
00:52:15.000Dude, you have to be so uninformed and so not engaged with what the other side is actually saying for you to even, like, if you got that card, You'd be like, wait, hold on.
00:52:31.000If someone came to me and said that, like, Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks came out in a show screaming, saying Donald Trump should be sent to a Soviet gulag so he can spend time with his Russian buddies, I'd be like, was he joking?
00:52:43.000Because even though I disagree with the guy, that's so over the top.
00:52:47.000That I wouldn't immediately assume he was being literal that there are Soviets in Russia right now.
00:52:51.000And if someone said to you, they go, no, no, he was being literal, take this on the show.
00:52:57.000You'd go, I'm gonna have to see this clip before I go on my show and declare that this was literal.
00:53:03.000When people told me that Keith Olbermann claimed to urinate from his eyes, I did not believe that he would actually say that.
00:53:09.000Well, that was actually sort of amazing though, wasn't it?
00:53:12.000And so I looked up his tweets, And he didn't literally say that he urinates from his eyes.
00:55:53.000There were still some people who were like, wait a minute, we're kind of signing away very basic constitutional protections.
00:56:00.000And so what they said was like, oh, there'll be like a sunset.
00:56:04.000Clause in this, and it will expire in a few years, and then Congress will have to come back and argue that the emergency is still going on and that's why we need to extend it.
00:56:22.000The Department of Homeland Security is still here.
00:56:24.000We're still, so we're in this constant kind of emergency Governing mode.
00:56:29.000And in order to do this, there always has to be a constant threat that's built up.
00:56:36.000And that's why Scott's response immediately is, like, terrifying.
00:56:40.000Because in the same way that they had to say that, like, listen, Saddam Hussein is best friends with Al Qaeda, and he's about to give them the weapons of mass destruction that he doesn't have.
00:56:51.000Like, he wasn't friends with them, and he didn't have the weapons, this was all lies, but they would make that threat.
00:56:55.000And then they would always create whatever the threat is, that Qaddafi's about to go genocidal, or Assad's killing his own people, or Putin's gonna reconstitute the Soviet Union, or... And in this case, the threat that they're trying to use is January 6th represents this attempt of the right half of America to overthrow democracy.
00:57:15.000And the commonality in all of these threats is that they're all pure lies.
00:57:22.000None of them are actually threats to the United States of America.
00:57:25.000But they need this in order to kind of justify how even your, look, you see, because if you watch Bill Maher sometimes, he'll rail against woke-ism, he'll rail against the insanity of the COVID restrictions and what California's come to and all of this, and he'll get big applause in his audience, but then it always returns back to, but This other side is such a bigger threat.
00:57:49.000They have to keep that going or there's no way they can justify their authoritarianism.
00:57:53.000I want to pull up this story from the Postmonial.
00:57:55.000Kyrsten Sinema will not seek re-election in Arizona.
00:57:58.000And I really don't care if she does or doesn't.
00:58:00.000She won her seat as a Democrat, switched to Independent.
00:58:06.000Is that you said, I believe in my approach, but it's not what America wants right now.
00:58:09.000I love Arizona, I'm so proud of what we've delivered, because I choose civility, understanding, listening, working together to get stuff done.
00:58:16.000I will leave the Senate at the end of this year.
00:58:17.000Is that like a dig at Cary Lake or something?
00:58:19.000No, the issue here is that you have the enlightened centrist types, and they are fewer and far between as of late, but they still exist, where they argue that you're either on the left or the right.
00:59:04.000The left will argue it's not true, when it is, and the enlightened centrist cinema types will say, can't we all just get along?
00:59:12.000Now the left has this meme where there's the Klan, and there's black people, and there's a guy in the middle with this smirking face holding up a sign saying compromise.
00:59:21.000That's how the left wants to frame this, as if they are right, and you're trying to compromise with crazies.
00:59:27.000Now, I agree with the general idea of the enlightened centrist types like Sinema, who are arguing, you need to be more moderate, you're too conservative, you're supporting the right, you're supporting Trump, and blah blah blah, and it's like, some things are just true.
00:59:42.000We now know from Hunter Biden that he was the big guy in these emails getting these kickbacks, influence peddling, granted that was after he left the vice presidency.
00:59:50.000But if you look at things that are true, and then you look at, say, Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin, they are lying about everything.
00:59:55.000Nancy Pelosi, she is lying about everything.
00:59:57.000There is a reality, and there is a propaganda manipulation.
01:00:00.000And if you are on the side of reality, they will call you right-wing no matter what, because it is not your policy positions that make you left or right, it's what you know to be true that makes you right-wing or conservative.
01:00:10.000Well, essentially, the definition from their perspective is anyone who is not lockstep with the woke agenda is right-wing.
01:00:20.000And to your point, there's this, look, there's almost, it's like we're living in like a funhouse mirror version of reality, if you watch like CNN or something like that.
01:00:28.000So there's, there's almost two types of centrism.
01:00:32.000So one type of centrism is like, hey, I don't think we should be way too far to the left or way too far to the right.
01:00:39.000We should just meet in the middle with Hillary Clinton and John McCain.
01:00:44.000You know, but then you're kind of like, wait a minute, but you're the most radical people on the plate.
01:00:49.000You're the guys who want to, uh, you know, bankrupt the country fighting every war around
01:00:53.000the world. And then there's also a different type of kind of like
01:00:57.000centrist some are like moderate position. That's just like, Hey, I'm not like some crazy right
01:01:05.000winger. Who's saying that like all women need to be in the kitchen and never speak in public.
01:01:10.000And I'm not some crazy left-winger who's saying, like, little kids should have genital mutilation surgery.
01:01:16.000I'm just saying, like, hey, let's talk about this.
01:01:19.000What's the middle ground between the two?
01:01:20.000The middle ground between the two is just kind of like off.
01:01:23.000But this sort of goes back to what you were talking about with regard to ruling through crisis, right?
01:01:46.000So what you have is like you have the immigration crisis, but you also had the Biden, you know, Biden and Harris going on about how racism was a crisis and the environment's crisis and all of this.
01:01:55.000So once you once you are instilling in people that it is life and death, what is the middle ground between life and death?
01:02:01.000The issue that we're facing in this country is that Donald Trump represents centrists, and Democrats and Biden represent the fringe far left.
01:02:09.000And I can exemplify this very, very simply.
01:02:12.000The right-wing position on misgendering would be, if you were born female, and you tell people to call you a male, to do so would be to misgender you because your gender is female.
01:02:23.000The left-wing position is, if you were born female and wish to be called male, you have to call this person the pronoun they want.
01:02:31.000So that's the left and the right position.
01:02:33.000The right, under Donald Trump, is asking social media platforms to take the middle approach and just not ban anyone.
01:02:41.000How about we go full right-wing on this one and say, Elon, right now I'd like you to institute a policy that says, if a person has a preferred pronoun and you use it, you will be banned.
01:02:51.000That's the right-wing position, right?
01:02:52.000Don't use people's preferred pronouns.
01:02:54.000How about we take the centrist approach that we've all been arguing for and just don't ban anyone.
01:02:58.000People can block whoever they're pissed off by.
01:03:01.000When you brought up the right wants women to never speak again and be in the kitchen, and I'm thinking to myself, you know, if I had to make a choice between... I had no choice.
01:03:50.000Well, look, I'll say... Popular among Trump supporters.
01:03:53.000Mainstream meaning prominent Trump supporters, prominent people have advocated this.
01:03:57.000I'd say it's deportation of every illegal immigrant and cutting off all trade with China, which I both do think are like, look... On a scale of 1 to 10, Where would you put that in terms of extremism?
01:04:12.000I mean, look, cutting off... If you were actually... And by the way, I'm completely for complete border control and all of that, but if you're talking about actually... At this point, we've got... We don't actually know what the numbers are.
01:04:27.000I mean, it's probably... Upward of 10 million?
01:04:30.000No, oh, it's north of 20 million for sure.
01:04:33.000If you're talking about... Well, since 2021, I think it's 20.
01:04:37.000Well, it was twelve was the number they always used forever, and then the government admits that over seven have come in since I've been there.
01:04:47.000If you're talking about a police action that is going to attempt to be deporting north of twenty million people in this country... They're not making that argument, you are.
01:05:04.000If you're saying that your argument is to deport them all, I'm saying that you are going to have to form a Gestapo-like police force in order to do that.
01:05:24.000My question is, How extreme on a scale of one to ten do you believe it is?
01:05:27.000Okay, so the point that I'm just making is if you actually... These are kind of bumper stickers.
01:05:31.000I don't think most of them have actually thought this through, but if you actually think through the ramifications of what it would take to enact these policies, they are pretty extreme.
01:05:43.000Like, that's... Okay, now let's... So my point is this.
01:05:46.000If we were to actually assess the most extreme position held under Trump supporters, which is deport all of the people who have broken the law, which is to simplify it in, we need to enforce the law as it was written and actually hold accountable the criminals in this country, right?
01:06:10.000Compare that to what is happening now.
01:06:12.000Okay, so let's say that's the proposal from Trump supporters, and we believe the most extreme position, and I think it's a fair assessment, is a massive deportation system, a massive expansion of government power to track down and deport 10 to 15 million people.
01:06:27.000Right now, Not even an idea, not even a proposal.
01:06:31.000The left has an open border, bringing in tens of millions, bringing in ten plus million people and child sex change operations.
01:06:37.000So this is, but I was about to say this.
01:07:31.000And the far left says, no, ban anyone who doesn't agree with my ideology.
01:07:35.000Well, look, I mean, when the right, I'm old enough to remember when the right wing had real power.
01:07:42.000Over not just the not just the political collapse, but also just over the culture and it was immediately in the wake of 9-11 Oh, and they and they weren't just trying to say hey everyone say what you want to say.
01:07:54.000That's very different from Trump though No, no, I'm not saying it's the same as Trump Well, look, I'm just saying, at that point, the Dixie Chicks were getting- they were the victims of cancel culture, and Bill Maher- They got cancelled again by the left.
01:08:10.000Well, yes, I know, because now it's for chicks, not Dixie, but whatever.
01:08:15.000Oh, I thought it was a reference to antebellum, you know, whatever.
01:08:19.000It's too stupid for me to keep up with, but look, Bill Maher got fired from ABC and it wasn't from being canceled from the left.
01:08:26.000It was from being canceled from the right.
01:08:27.000I'm just saying that there is something that it's very easy when the other side, I don't even disagree with what you're saying.
01:08:35.000I'm just making the point that it's very easy when one side has all of the power For the other side who has less power to go, hey, we shouldn't impose power on the other one.
01:08:46.000You know, but like, so that's part of the reason why right wingers are just saying like, hey, let's just not ban anyone because they know all of the institutions are controlled by their enemies.
01:09:22.000I mean, it's really, yeah, Haley is still, Haley's projected 2% in Vermont, but, you know, Vermont is stupid anyway.
01:09:28.000In this map made by NBC News, where they have Trump and Haley with different colors, I'm willing to bet that they actually did not even have a color code for Haley, and then when she won DC, the graphics guy's like, All right, I'll make it.
01:10:42.000The people who used to be conservative, but only watch MSNBC.
01:10:46.000No, but just and just even like the Republicans who come on MSNBC all day every day to go, hey, I'm a Republican and even I'm fed up with Donald Trump.
01:10:56.000And that's just their whole that's their whole role is to be like, look, even the conservative admits that the liberals are right.
01:11:59.000where it was stop corporate censorship, and Antifa came and attacked them.
01:12:02.000And I'm like, what about defending massive corporations makes you like anti-establishment?
01:12:07.000I was at a skate park like two years ago, and it's a skate park, and there's a big Black Lives Matter spray painted on the ramps, and some kids were sitting by it, and I started busting out laughing, and I was like, which one of you idiots spray painted Amazon's corporate logo on the ramp?
01:12:22.000There is something really funny about, like, the fact that it doesn't even give any of them pause, that all these giant corporations are on their side.
01:12:32.000Like, from your own ideological view, wouldn't that be like, wait, they're supposed to be against us, no?
01:12:38.000They're not suppos- And the other funny thing was in 2020, when the BLM riot, like, got out of control and they went and smashed up the CNN building, and then it was like the first time CNN went, hey, wait!
01:13:04.000Or I should say, do you think he rationalized it to himself, or do you think he knows what's really going on and is lying to everybody else?
01:13:12.000I mean, my guess is he knows what's going on and is just lying.
01:13:18.000You know it's funny because on the way here we're listening to 90s Alternative and System of a Down comes on and they have Prison, what's it called, Prison Song.
01:13:26.000And I'm just like, I like System of a Down.
01:13:29.000They're not as bad as, I don't know them to be bad actually.
01:13:31.000I know Rage Against the Machine is Rage on behalf of the machine because they've been very active in supporting the machine.
01:13:36.000But isn't it kind of funny that we have these bands that are extremely wealthy Massively supported, internationally famous, and they claim to oppose the machine?
01:13:47.000It's almost like the machine actually supported them the whole time.
01:13:52.000Well, or at least they got sucked up into that thing that was the machine, you know?
01:13:58.000And, like, you know, it was so, like, comical.
01:14:01.000Well, the machine does manufacture things.
01:14:03.000Well, but, like, they had these, like, these bands who have these songs, you know, and they're like, SHUT UP!
01:14:35.000The line is, F you, I won't do what you tell me.
01:14:38.000And I'm like, they really need to change that to, F you, you better do what we tell you.
01:14:41.000Please give me direction, because I don't know what to do without it.
01:14:44.000There was this venue in Brooklyn that I was trying to go see something at at one point, and they had this whole, basically, manifesto that you had to sign off on about social justice, and if you don't feel this way, then don't come to the venue.
01:14:57.000And I was like, okay, then I totally won't come to the venue.
01:15:05.000But isn't there, you know, there's something so interesting to me about how, like, all of this stuff, like, even if you trace it back to its actual, like, origin, and people can argue about whether this is, like, from the Frankfurt School or critical theory or, like, where exactly the intellectual kind of roots of all of this wokeism comes from, but there is something so interesting about how it did, at least to some degree, start as this really radical left-wing thought.
01:15:35.000And then yet was embraced by every rich capitalist and every powerful government, you know, official in the country and is now kind of being pushed on people and that they took this thing and they realized how powerful it was to like divide everybody and insist that you sign up with their views and turn this, it's just, there's something like so interesting about that.
01:16:04.000It's not just... Their compromise was like, we get to do capitalism, and sure, we'll hire extra people.
01:16:11.000I don't even think it was... I don't even... Yeah, I guess to some degree that's true, right?
01:16:15.000Like the compromise was like, almost like in the wake of Occupy Wall Street, the compromise was that JP Morgan goes, okay, look, Here's the deal.
01:16:26.000We get to do everything we've been doing, and we will send our white executives to diversity training.
01:16:33.000And we'll pay for your abortions, and we'll cut your kids' dicks off.
01:16:36.000Yeah, I guess that's the thing, right?
01:16:38.000And we'll add extra diverse people to our board, per the law in California.
01:16:43.000And in this kind of weird, sick compromise, which by the way, if you're really interested in this, go read The Progressive Era by Murray Rothbard because this is actually the story of the original Progressive Era as well.
01:16:58.000This is the whole story, is that there were these kind of good At least possibly well-intentioned leftists who were like progressives and they were like, hey, we should have a managed economy so it does more for the little guy and less for the big guy.
01:17:14.000And then basically all of the robber barons were like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we totally should have a managed economy.
01:17:20.000And then they just basically took it over and made it, it was like a right-wing coup against the left-wing idea in some sense, broadly speaking.
01:17:29.000And But today, think about how much that is literally what led to the transformation.
01:17:35.000Let me just say that that's what led to the transformation of the left wing being the pro-war group.
01:17:42.000That they're now all going, well, we have to put Ukrainian flags up or we have to, you know what I mean?
01:17:48.000And like, because it's like, because they got trained to just follow orders and be obedient.
01:17:54.000But that's what our schooling was doing.
01:17:55.000Our schooling for decades has been teaching people to be managed.
01:17:59.000It teaches people how to like follow instructions, how to sit quietly.
01:18:03.000Like I'll never forget when my son got in trouble in like kindergarten at circle time and the teacher called me in and it was like super serious and the teacher was like, uh, your son won't sit still during circle time.
01:18:15.000And I was like, okay, what's he doing?
01:18:36.000Dolemayan. John Dolemayan, the drummer for System of a Down, is a vocal Trump supporter.
01:18:40.000So shout out to him for standing up for his beliefs. It's not even about being a Trump
01:18:44.000supporter while I shout him out, but he's said people have attacked him over it.
01:18:48.000He's getting a lot of heat for it. So I have respect.
01:18:51.000But I do think that, I do think that like, on the sort of On the sort of conservative side, or the more thoughtful side, or even if you want to call it centrist or whatever, we spend so much time trying to dig into where these ideas came from, and tracking the history of it.
01:19:06.000You know, Chris Rufo does that, he's excellent at it.
01:19:08.000James Lindsay does that, like really stellar at digging into that stuff.
01:19:12.000You know, figuring all out exactly where it came from.
01:19:15.000We can isolate it and we can pinpoint it, but why can't we just rip it out by the roots?
01:19:19.000And why can't we make a stand and say what it is we do believe in and what we do want going forward?
01:19:24.000Well, I would just say, I think the much more interesting question,
01:19:29.000and I'm not saying it's not an interesting question, like where the ideological roots of this come from.
01:19:35.000I just think, and this is my big push, I think a much more interesting question is not, where did it come from?
01:19:41.000My question is, why did every major corporation, every political class, Hollywood, like, why did every powerful... Because we didn't Bud Light them.
01:19:56.000That's a question of why didn't we stop it?
01:19:58.000I'm saying why did every powerful person in the United States of America embrace it at the same time and start jamming it down our throats?
01:20:12.000You look at LexisNexis data, in every country on the planet with the rise of social media, these terms began to take hold.
01:20:18.000Now there's a root to why these ideas in particular, but these weren't the only ideas getting spread.
01:20:24.000I've done this rant a million times so I'll keep it quick, but when Facebook first switched to an algorithmic model, the number one form of content was police brutality videos.
01:20:32.000Several websites emerged that just started publishing nothing but... Cop block and free thought project.
01:20:38.000And these were some of the most trafficked websites in the world.
01:20:42.000Because Facebook said, whatever people share, we show more of.
01:20:47.000YouTube, you know what the number one content was on YouTube in the early days?
01:20:51.000As long as the thumbnail was a woman in a bikini, I'm not joking, it would get more views because YouTube said, if it gets clicks, show it to more people, it'll get more clicks.
01:20:59.000People said, okay, whatever my video is, make the thumbnail a bikini woman, and it'll get clicked on, and then YouTube promotes me.
01:21:05.000They started to refine their algorithms.
01:21:19.000They said, okay, they said, we'll get rid of that content.
01:21:22.000No advertiser cared about justice, and responsibility, and caring about our neighbors.
01:21:29.000So around 2008 was when we saw the emergence of Facebook, Twitter, and all these other platforms, and the rise of the algorithms.
01:21:35.000LexisNexis data shows us the emergence of words like white privilege, racism, et cetera, colonizer, appeared in every newspaper in every Western country around the exact same time in a massive hockey stick.
01:21:50.000Okay, so let me just give you a counter to the fact that it's just social media and algorithms, okay?
01:21:55.000So it's really around 2012 when those nexus charts shoot up.
01:22:00.000And it's not just what was going on on YouTube or other social media.
01:22:04.000We're talking about the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, major, major newspapers.
01:22:12.000For the New York Times to get shares on Facebook, they needed these search terms.
01:22:16.000Vice famously had an article that said something like, Trans women of color victims of police brutality exemplifies the Black Lives Matter movement.
01:22:24.000And it crammed as many of these words as possible into a single headline and everyone laughed.
01:22:28.000Listen, this is why I don't agree with this, okay?
01:22:31.000So, I do not believe that the goal here was clicks and views and likes.
01:23:14.000But I'm saying, so there are stories that would get an enormous amount of clicks, an enormous amount of views, but they're shut down because they go against the powerful.
01:23:23.000So my point is just that the reason why the New York Times and the Washington Post and these major publications started pushing this stuff, I do not believe was because it was getting more views.
01:23:35.000I think this was an intentional distraction campaign that was following Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party movement, and the fact that Barack Obama was up for re-election and had continued the George W. Bush policies for his entire administration.
01:23:49.000And they had to make something that would go like, look, people are very upset with this failure.
01:23:55.000This is what we have to throw at them.
01:23:59.000So when I worked for Fusion, when they said, we are going to be nice, so when they pitched me, this is ABC News Univision, they said, we want to be nice vice.
01:24:19.000We don't like that Vice does the weird sex drug stuff, but we like the rock and roll, so you bring that edgy, on-the-street journalism to us, and we're good.
01:24:27.000Six to eight months later, they were full woke, they brought in a new editor-in-chief, and he changed his Twitter profile photograph to a picture of a black fist that said, down with whiteness.
01:24:37.000If someone tells you they like rock and roll.
01:24:39.000And the reason why they did it, explicitly, in the meetings I was at with the executives of this company was, young people are progressive, and if we don't adhere to what they want, we will get erased.
01:24:51.000In order to succeed as a media company, you target the young people, and you age with them.
01:24:56.000By the time they're 35, we're the dominant media.
01:25:33.000It was two libertarian brothers started a Ron Paul libertarian site and they posted police brutality.
01:25:37.000Why did they shift their business model?
01:25:39.000Well, I happen to know this because I actually went to their office headquarters and met with their one of their heads of development who said, this gets traffic.
01:25:49.000So when we switch, when we're doing police brutality, and we're all libertarian, and she wasn't talking about, like, the company at the time, but this is their founding, she's like, when we do anti-racist social justice and feminism, it gets shared on Facebook.
01:26:05.000When you do conservatism, Facebook was deleting it.
01:26:10.000We learned this from Gizmodo's reporting in 2016, that employees at Facebook were actively removing this stuff.
01:26:16.000So you have what I refer to as Jack Dorsey plugging his sewer system into his own mouth.
01:26:23.000They created these algorithms that promoted social justice.
01:26:26.000The first content to go viral was police brutality because no one likes police brutality.
01:26:30.000Then you combine... What we ended up seeing was, if you have a video that says racism bad, you get X views.
01:26:36.000If you have sexism bad, you get Y views.
01:26:39.000But if you have racism and sexism bad, you get XY.
01:26:58.000What happened to Dylan Mulvaney that it turned into day 900 of being a woman?
01:27:02.000Because that's what people were responding to.
01:27:03.000Chasing after the views, so evolved the content and created this as algorithms pushed it.
01:27:08.000You then end up with people like Jack Dorsey who said this is the free speech wing of the free speech party, but after he builds this community on social media promoting only one ideology and downranking anything else like conservatism because it was offensive to him and his friends, it was offensive to him and his friends because they were gargling on the sewage of their own network.
01:27:26.000Okay, so first of all, you brought up Ron Paul, and so it's incumbent on me to say that he is the greatest living American hero, and everybody should go Google him and look him up, and if you're not familiar with him, go read everything he's ever written and listen to everything he's ever said.
01:27:43.000I'm just saying, my argument is not that nobody online has ever put out content that will just get more clicks, or that even like going woke, crazy woke, or crazy anti-woke won't increase views.
01:27:56.000So what you're talking about was absolutely a part of this transformation.
01:28:01.000I'm just saying that it's also true that the New York Times, and the Washington Post, and by the way, the CIA, and the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration, which in this year, in 2012 it was, passed their first big DEI initiative or whatever, it wasn't just coming from the bottom up.
01:28:24.000It was also coming from the top down and that there was this weird convergence there.
01:28:29.000And my question is just like, why the top down part?
01:28:33.000And I'm saying that there was also, while there wasn't, there's no, listen, you still see it today.
01:28:38.000Every day since Twitter, like people are monetizing their Twitter under Elon Musk, you see them just kind of post the most provocative thing that's going to get them more clicks.
01:28:48.000But I'm saying there's something else at work here also, which is that the top the top down. I believe there was a targeted campaign that
01:28:57.000Obama had come in and promised a repudiation of the Bush policies. He had failed on them.
01:29:03.000He had continued all of them and he pivoted toward a culture war.
01:29:07.000I believe that is hyper focused on one particular element.
01:29:11.000The fact that Obama wanted this narrative would imply that powerful Democrats went to their allies
01:30:35.000Look, I went to Vice, before I left Vice, I told all of these companies the exact same thing, and it's obvious now why Vice completely collapsed in on itself.
01:30:45.000It's obvious why Fusion collapsed in on itself.
01:30:48.000They were convinced that the screeching activists who didn't actually care about this stuff were the future.
01:30:54.000They were convinced that these buzzwords that were appearing on social media represented what young people wanted.
01:30:58.000And I kept telling them they were wrong.
01:31:17.000Well, also, that whole thing did something really bad for women.
01:31:20.000I mean, that didn't help women at all, marketing to them that way, because it was the redirection of, you know, a maternal instinct toward a compassion in social justice that has been completely destructive for American women across the board, so.
01:31:36.000There was a report that came out accusing a bunch of people who are like moderate and conservative and libertarian of being far-right.
01:31:43.000YouTube panicked because they had lost ad revenue, and then immediately nuked the recommendations for all of these channels.
01:31:50.000But it wasn't ideological, it was specific channels.
01:31:53.000They didn't downrank terms, immigration was still just fine, but it was specific channels that all of a sudden found they weren't getting recommended anymore, and the analytics dropped off entirely.
01:32:03.000Well, okay, but there's another huge element that happened in there, right?
01:32:06.000So, in, basically, the internet very quickly went from being, in terms, forget the algorithm point that you were making, which I do think there's a lot of truth to what you're saying, but the internet very quickly went from being, social media went from being kind of the Wild Wild West, where people could kind of say whatever they wanted to say, broadly speaking, not completely, there were some people who got banned, but it was very rare.
01:32:31.000And what happened was, after Donald Trump won the presidency in 2016, there was this mad scramble from the establishment to explain away why he had won.
01:32:42.000And they landed on a few ridiculous answers.
01:32:47.000One of them was the insane Hillary Clinton op ed lies that he was involved in a conspiracy
01:32:55.000with the Russian government, which then the set, the intelligence agencies jumped on and
01:33:33.000Now this is a regular thing, but this was the first time this has ever happened before
01:33:36.000in 2016 when they made Jack Dorsey, who was running Twitter at the time, and Mark Zuckerberg
01:33:42.000and all these guys come up and they explicitly threatened all of them if they didn't crack
01:33:49.000down on fake news that they were going to regulate these companies and break up these
01:33:55.000companies and ruin everything they have.
01:33:58.000The United States of America's federal government forced this kind of censorship regime on big tech platforms.
01:34:05.000And I'm not claiming that a lot of these big tech platforms didn't agreeably go along with that.
01:34:11.000But that is where the origin of it was.
01:34:14.000I will say, I think it is algorithmic.
01:34:17.000That being said, it is a fact that, and we now know this, CIA, FBI, intelligence agencies were giving instruction on a weekly basis to these big tech platforms.
01:34:36.000Recently, we discovered that, like, Vijaya Ghate was in regular communication with intelligence agencies.
01:34:40.000Oh, with, like, the Twitter files and all that kind of stuff?
01:34:42.000The one big regret I have from doing that show with Rogan is I often say, like, I didn't really prepare for anything.
01:34:48.000Rogan asked me to come and do the show, and I just knew this stuff and was able to talk to them.
01:34:51.000But, man, if I really sat down, researched, and thought about it, it would have been very obvious for any journalist to say, Tim, ask them if the government is working with them in any way.
01:36:01.000But the, I think one of the big takeaways was when they said, we have this misgendering policy and I pointed out conservatives have an inverted view of misgendering.
01:36:26.000Because the right-wing perspective is that this would be misgendering.
01:36:30.000Just to stress, the one regret I have is, I did not ask, the first question is, do you as a business entity have communications with government officials?
01:37:07.000Okay, so let me, again, and it's not, I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but I just think there's this other element, and I just want, like, two very quick points, okay?
01:37:15.000Number one, and I think we could all see this, where there are these accounts, like, say, Alex Jones, um, Andrew Tate, um, You know, like a lot of these guys... Nick Fuentes.
01:37:29.000Yeah, yeah, listen, sure, Nick Fuentes, Gavin McGinnis, a lot of these guys who were enormously popular, who drove the algorithm, but they get plucked out of it.
01:37:42.000So it's not just the algorithm driving this, there's also then this bigger hand that comes in, that then picks who the algorithmic winners and losers are going to be.
01:37:52.000And I would also point out that, by the way, Vivek Ramaswamy's book, Woke Inc., I believe it's called, he goes through a lot of this stuff where it's not, look, they have these, there's this weird thing where like with BlackRock, you know, they'll be pushing like all the DEI stuff, but then you have these state governments, and basically the state governments control the pensions For every government worker in the state.
01:38:17.000So if you think about every government, the only ones who have pensions anymore, you know, government workers, they're controlling hundreds of billions of dollars.
01:38:25.000And then they will put these rules that say, we will only invest it with this financial company.
01:38:32.000If you insist on DEI regulations and all this stuff, my point is that it's not just coming from the bottom up.
01:38:38.000There's a huge amount of pressure from the top down.
01:38:41.000One quick, one quick point before we go to super chats.
01:38:44.000Riley Moore, the state treasurer for West Virginia, has cut off banks that have ESG policies because one of the reasons is they've shut down investing in fossil fuels, which is a huge economic driver in West Virginia.
01:38:57.000So he was like, you will no longer get government contracts from us.
01:39:00.000I think he said it was a US bank that went, OK, then we won't do it because your money is more important to us.
01:39:05.000So that's, by the way, you were talking about before, how to fight back.
01:39:08.000That's a good way of how to fight back.
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01:39:21.000tonight, but for now, we will read your Super Chats.
01:39:24.000Christopher Lambert says, nope, well, you actually were first, so you need to give yourself more credit.
01:39:47.000I have another regret on one of my appearances on Rogan, and it's when I correctly said that half the country is now constitutional carry, and Joe said something like, that can't be correct.
01:40:16.000I've been on Rogan a few times where like I say something and then Rogan goes, Jamie pull that up and you just have this thing where you're like, Jamie don't you screw me on this one man.
01:40:25.000Like you make sure you get the right source on this.
01:40:32.000He Google-searched constitutional carry states, and the default Google box said 13, instead of him actually going to the wiki for constitutional carry and seeing the breakdown of all the new states that it signed on.
01:40:46.000And so I regretted that, because I'm like, it's very important that people know, at the time it was 25 states and Florida was about to sign their bill, which would have made 26.
01:41:05.000It is concealed in Florida as far as I know.
01:41:06.000Permitless concealed, but not open carry.
01:41:09.000Alright, listen, I will say that open carry, look, from my perspective, it's your absolute right to open carry, but I will also say concealed is so much more important.
01:41:19.000Like, just strategically, it's more important.
01:41:21.000Open carry, listen, it's your right to open carry anywhere you want to.
01:41:24.000It's just kind of like, I don't really recommend it, and it can lead to a lot of different... Why not?
01:41:29.000You got situations like, if you remember with, um, uh, what was the guy's name out there in, uh, Texas?
01:41:40.000So there, he's a Black Lives Matter protester and he's got an AR-15 on his, uh, Yes.
01:41:46.000So he's got an AR-15 on his shoulder and a car turns around the road and the Black Lives Matter protesters are blocking the road and the car starts honking and starts trying to drive into the crowd.
01:41:57.000So he runs over, gets his gun in low ready position, and the military, former military guy in the car
01:42:04.000shoots him and kills him dead, you know?
01:42:07.000But don't, look, if you're open carrying, don't hold your weapon at low ready at someone.
01:42:12.000I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying that there is this problem where,
01:42:16.000hey look, okay, before holding it at low ready, right?
01:42:20.000Technically, it is your right to walk with these people and have an open... But once you're in a mob of people, and you have a gun, you do kind of create this situation for someone coming up to you where they're like, I have to treat you like you might be about to aggress on me.
01:42:35.000I'm just saying personally, I'm not saying what your right is.
01:42:59.000And that being said, you're not, you know, I love how they have these, uh, when they do these legal breakdowns of concealed versus open carry, they put not applicable for long guns, and I'm like, you can absolutely conceal a long gun, like, spare me, dude.
01:43:11.000But, uh, in the event he did, say, have a trench coat, with his rifle underneath one of the sides, it was concealed, when he decided to grab it and bring it to low-ready, that changed everything.
01:43:24.000Well, I believe the guy did, uh, get convicted.
01:44:08.000It's totally unreasonable to say that you have to sit here and trust that that person isn't about to murder you, rather than say, I can't- It's almost like- Wait, wait, wait.
01:44:18.000All you gotta do to make the argument to say, when a police officer is facing someone holding a rifle at low ready, and then the average person goes, you're right.
01:44:26.000Well, not the average person in that group.
01:44:43.000And by the way, listen, I'm not going to go off on it for too long, but it is absolutely, totally true that the whole Donald Trump drain the swamp thing.
01:44:52.000The swamp is that our centralized federal government spends over six trillion dollars a year and that all the richest people in the world are connected to the political class.
01:45:02.000If you want to drain the swamp, the answer is drastic cuts in government spending.
01:45:07.000Alright, I'm not your buddy guy, says MuchRespectDaveSmith, but right now is all-hands-on-deck moment to save not just the US but the world with Trump.
01:45:42.000No, uh, but look, I know everyone say right now is an all hands on deck moment.
01:45:46.000I'm not disagreeing with you about the severity of the moment.
01:45:50.000I'm disagreeing with you about participating in this ridiculous ritual of the state that is democracy and pretending like that's actually you having an effect in the moment.
01:46:48.000Dave Smith is going to be wearing a trench coat, glasses with a fake nose and fake mustache, as he sneaks into the polling place, looks around, and then when he thinks no one's looking, he's going to press Trump, and then he's going to slink back into the shadows and disappear.
01:47:02.000It's all that, except I just write in Ron Paul, and then I leave.
01:47:05.000If it's all an illusion, why have a political party?
01:48:13.000Yeah, I basically said, uh, I've had people ask me if I would go on, like, real time.
01:48:17.000Not from them, they've never reached out to me and said, we'd love to have you on the show, but I've had people who are, like, in their circle and have worked with them saying, like, we'd love to get you on that show and we'll reach out to them and make the connection, and I said, no.
01:48:28.000Because it's, it's like, for the same reason, Dave, like, if someone asked you to go debate a, the president of the sixth grade class at the local public school, would you do it?
01:49:30.000If you go into a sixth grade classroom, and you're arguing taxes, and you're saying, let's talk about what a flat tax could look like, let's do a sales tax only system, and the other sixth grade kid is sitting there with a smirk on his face, and he goes, hey, you're stupid, and you smell like farts.
01:49:46.000Then the whole class erupts and they're all laughing, and you're like, guys, listen.
01:49:49.000Yeah, this is not a good system format.
01:49:52.000So when Dennis Prager goes on the show and says that the official position of the left today is that men menstruate, they all bust out laughing and hooting like seals, clapping.
01:50:05.000Without even fact-checking, without looking into it, they all laugh and say, haha, he's so dumb, and I'm like, what is the point of going in there?
01:50:12.000And I'll tell you this, many people make the argument, yeah, but you're on this big show and everyone can see and you can prove them wrong.
01:50:18.000Because when Bill Maher, as the leader of the show, says something insanely stupid, like he did with, fortunately, Badia was there, but when the audience all laughs, and when everyone laughed at Dennis Prager, The reinforcement in the mind of the audience is, wow, this conservative guy Dennis Prager is really, really stupid.
01:50:37.000And the first impression that anybody would have with Prager is, that guy's insane and everyone was laughing at him.
01:50:57.000He doesn't pay attention, he doesn't read the news.
01:50:59.000Well, I get your point, and it's especially from your perspective, where you're somebody who's built up an audience that's... I mean, I don't remember what Bill Maher's ratings were last I checked, but... A million.
01:51:11.000about a million. So you're certainly comparable, maybe bigger than what, what his audience is,
01:51:16.000but whatever. Let's just say he's a snake of argument. He's well, he's once a week and we're
01:51:20.000five times a week. So, okay. So yes, raw numbers, your orders of magnitude above him, but just for
01:51:27.000whatever the audience, cause I, you know, I assume a lot of people listen to every episode of your
01:51:31.000show. So whatever, but the point is just for the sake of argument saying you have comparable
01:51:35.000numbers, but you're sitting here and having a conversation for hours where ideas can actually
01:51:40.000be flushed out where it's not just like, Oh, here's a quick segment. I'll do a 10 minute
01:51:44.000interview with audience, you know, reactions in the middle.
01:52:39.000So shout out to Dan Crenshaw as well, who also bailed on us twice and then stopped responding to our emails.
01:52:44.000And we were nice, we were like... Dan Crenshaw, by the way, he hangs out in my YouTube, uh, like, I thought this was just a fake guy, being, uh, pretending he's Dan Crenshaw, and then my producer was like, no, this is the real Dan Crenshaw, and he just hangs out in my YouTube comments, like, arguing with people sometimes.
01:52:59.000So, hey, Dan Crenshaw, I'll have you on, too, anytime.
01:53:11.000Because they're like, I know what I'm talking about.
01:53:12.000I will sit down and I will, I will, I will tell you.
01:53:15.000Anybody who knows what they're saying is bunk will run from the camera and run from the microphone because they know they can't defend incorrect ideas.
01:53:22.000Well, and also I'm not like inviting you on like a Bill Maher type situation where the whole audience is on my side and you get 20 minutes to talk.
01:53:46.000Well, listen, the first thing I'll tell you this, here's the first thing I'd have to start with, okay?
01:53:51.000When I was 16, either 16 or 17 years old, so this is back in the 90s, I got a TV VCR in my room, which doesn't say, but in the nineties, that was going to get you laid.
01:56:12.000Look, Nikki Haley very clearly is taking marching orders.
01:56:15.000She's not making these decisions herself.
01:56:18.000She's doing what her handlers are telling her to do, and that is going to guarantee, mark my words, she will end up in a very cushy position one way or another in the next year.
01:57:06.000Before he ran against Trump, number one, he was the front runner for a little while before Trump came in.
01:57:12.000And before that he was the respected member of the Bush family who was like supposed to be the smart one, who was a really good governor and all of this.
01:58:40.000Uh, Ron Bayo, shout it again, says, John Dalmayan, Dalmayan, the drummer for System of a Down is a Trump supporter, took a lot of flack over it.
01:58:50.000I don't, I don't know that System of a Down is bad at all.
01:58:51.000I'm just saying it's funny that there were so many, uh, you know, anti-establishment bands in the late 90s, 2000s that were supported by the establishment.
01:59:23.000And there were other bands that were getting medical exemption and the venues were allowing them to play, so.
01:59:28.000Went from being my favorite band since I was a kid to my least favorite band and some of the most despicable people you can think of.
01:59:34.000But it is a great honor, in my life, that the first song I ever learned how to play on the guitar is The Kids Aren't Alright by The Offspring, written by Noodles, of The Offspring, who has me blocked on Twitter now.
02:00:03.000Alright, well let me start, let me try to explain this to you.
02:00:05.000Alright, first off, you know how phones work?
02:00:07.000Alright, well at some point that's gonna be like an internet, and then they don't need the wires anymore, and then... I don't know, dude.
02:00:13.000It's just that your computer connects to other computers.
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