00:01:14.000A lot of people are going to, obviously, because of the nightmare scenario on Tuesday, a lot of blame is going to be thrown around.
00:01:21.000And it seems like Susie Wiles is the first casualty of that.
00:01:26.000There are a lot of people that are MAGA adjacent or very pro MAGA that are looking at Stephen Miller and they're saying, this is the guy that it should have been for ages.
00:01:34.000He's done such great work for Donald Trump, blah, blah, blah.
00:01:55.000And coming on the heels of the massive election blowout the Republicans took, that's a little bit of good news for the Trump administration.
00:02:03.000Dems have already started to pivot from affordability to we're going to get our political enemies.
00:02:09.000There's a bunch of people on X, obviously.
00:02:11.000If you follow Democrats, right away they were saying, lawyer up.
00:02:15.000They were saying, we're going to investigate Elon Musk.
00:02:17.000They're talking about investigating beyond just Elon Musk, they're talking about investigating people in the tech industry, Meta, Amazon, a bunch of companies are going to be hauled in front of Congress.
00:03:17.000I am the head pollster and founder of the Honest Polling Company, formerly the head pollster of Rasmussen Reports.
00:03:23.000There's a lot of pollsters out there, but I'm one of the very few that actually saw this blue wave coming, and I'm also one of the few that actually saw Donald Trump winning in 2024.
00:03:31.000So being able to do a good job in a red wave year and a blue wave year is pretty rare, but I'm also one of the very few that represents the American people and not basically left wing media.
00:03:45.000Or the dark money NGOs, or increasingly we're seeing in right wing polling Trump political action committees.
00:04:36.000Anyway, I'm Carter Banks, and I'm happy to have you all back.
00:04:40.000Alan, you should put in last notice, and let's get right into it.
00:04:44.000Anyways, so from Donald Trump himself, actually, but we got the New York Post to talk about it.
00:04:51.000Trump fires Susie Wiles after midterm blowout named Stephen Miller as new chief of staff.
00:04:56.000From Washington, President Trump on Friday announced that he was replacing Susie Wiles as the Chief of Staff with his longtime advisor, Stephen Miller, following Republican landslide midterm election loss.
00:05:06.000Donald Trump posted on Truth Social I'm pleased to announce that Mr. Stephen Miller, the current Deputy Chief of Staff of the Trump administration and one of my most trusted advisors, will become the Chief of Staff starting Monday, November 9th, 2026.
00:05:27.000For her service as chief of staff, she has done a great job.
00:05:31.000Obviously, there's going to be heads rolling because of the absolute blowout in the administration, but also all of the downstream, all the down ticket stuff.
00:05:42.000Did you guys expect that it was going to be Susie Wiles first?
00:05:45.000Well, if you look at the coverage after the election, there was immediate sort of attempts by various people in the admin to knife each other.
00:05:51.000And there was a faction that appeared to be going after Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, and another faction that was going after Susie Wiles.
00:05:59.000And that second faction appears to have won.
00:06:01.000It's a major victory, I'll say, for Stephen Miller because we saw in some of these reports that came out in the New York Times and the Daily Mail and elsewhere that Wiles and Miller had tried to undermine Miller over immigration enforcement after Minneapolis and tried to make immigration a less visible part of the Trump administration's public stance.
00:06:23.000And Miller was on the other side of that.
00:06:26.000I think it's interesting because you saw during the election that the one issue that Republicans won decisively on with voters was immigration.
00:06:37.000We didn't really see Susie Wiles in the public eye a lot.0.96
00:06:40.000And that was something that in the beginning of the administration, I don't know if it was actually her or just talking heads that were saying, you shouldn't expect to see her approaching the microphone a lot.1.00
00:06:53.000Would you expect Miller to behave the same way?
00:06:55.000Because he's definitely not afraid of getting in front of a microphone and taking it right to the press.
00:07:00.000Do you think he's going to be more vocal, more of an advocate for Trump policies?
00:07:05.000Well, he's certainly going to be an advocate.
00:07:06.000He's a Trump loyalist and he believes in Trump's platform.
00:07:09.000This was surprising for me because I wasn't sure if it was going to come.
00:07:12.000It was one of the first signs I was looking for a Trump pivot, which we really, really, really need.
00:07:19.000After Obama got shellacked in 2010, he gave a speech the very next day and he took accountability for it and said he was going to try and do a better job and represent the people.
00:07:29.000In fact, Donald Trump is basically attacking the voters and blaming all the candidates.
00:07:34.000And just like from a polling perspective, being in the numbers for the last two years, Trump did not lose because of the Iran war.
00:07:43.000Trump lost because he failed to deliver on economic populism.
00:07:47.000And that's a hard thing to deliver in a short period of time, but that's why messaging is so important.
00:07:52.000So, to that point, this is a question that I've asked other people that have been here this week.
00:07:56.000If gas prices, like if we were in a different universe and gas prices were two bucks a gallon, but the Iran war was going off, does Trump still lose?
00:08:05.000I mean, I don't think Mississippi would go Democrat, but I still think he'd lose.
00:08:10.000Susie brought me into the White House a year ago, and I told Trump then, You're going to lose because you're completely fudging the economic messaging.
00:08:18.000And we saw this with, Don't talk to me about the affordability hoax.
00:08:29.000To that point, though, but like I was doing some Googling yesterday because there are a lot of people that are like, When the stock market crashed yesterday, they were like, Well, I don't care.
00:08:39.000And this is just obviously anecdotal in my replies and stuff.
00:08:43.000But 60% of Americans have some kind of investment in the stock market.
00:08:48.000So, do you think that it's just that they're not aware of it?
00:08:50.000Or do you think that, because do you think that they're just like, I don't care, I'm really angry about the way the inflation has made me feel, the cost of living, the cost of gas and stuff?
00:09:02.000Because most of the country has exposure to the stuff.
00:09:04.000We have a stealth depression, is the main issue.
00:09:07.000And so, almost every economic measure kind of obscures that fact.
00:09:21.000And then it was in the 60s the entire time, and it has not changed.
00:09:23.000Only 17% of Americans say today's kids will be better off than their parents.
00:09:28.00062% think the economy only works for the wealthy and well connected.
00:09:31.000Like, I could just go on, but like, we're in a situation where a third of people are basically using like short term loans to get groceries and stuff like that, right?
00:09:39.000So these people, it's not that they care about egg prices, it's that they hate the entire system and are mistrustful of large corporations and hate this idea of oligarchy, although they don't know the word, right?
00:09:51.000And so with Trump, what we saw is actually You know, inadvertently, it would appear he did some things that made him look like an oligarch.
00:09:58.000And so people are going to rebel against that and they're angry at a system they don't think is going to work.
00:10:03.000And we could go into a lot of it, but I mean, we've gotten to the point where Republicans ran against socialism when I disguised seizing the means of production and Republicans support that by a plurality.
00:10:13.000So we're going into a very crazy place and it's like right wing socialism versus left wing socialism.
00:12:38.000People that are on the left always love to get on other people from the right or whatever for saying, you don't even know what socialism is.
00:12:45.000And this is a case of you calling something that is not socialist socialism.
00:12:50.000Are you saying it has to be 100% to be classified as socialism?
00:12:54.000I'm saying that it is different in term.
00:12:59.000Because now I'm curious because it does sound weird.
00:13:01.000Well, it's the government interfering.
00:13:04.000We do have a mixed economy, and it is the government involving itself in markets, but because it's buying stock and buying 10% or whatever stock in a company, that is the government investing in a company because it believes that the company is important.
00:13:38.000Now, I understand you continue to say, well, what about when it gets to 51%?
00:13:42.000But that's moving the goalpost because in reality, they are buying a percentage, but a small percentage, providing liquidity.
00:13:50.000The problem is that the words socialism and capitalism are abstractions that we use in the polling industry to try and track sentiment towards things that people will run on.
00:13:59.000But the American people ultimately don't know because I don't even think conservative leaders understand what capitalism is right now.
00:14:04.000For them, it's like complete deregulation and let these companies do whatever and ship all the jobs overseas and blah, And what people want is solutions, basically.
00:14:13.000We have transactional politics now, and Democrat socialists are winning, not necessarily because people want.
00:14:21.000The lack of economic freedom that comes with socialism.
00:14:23.000They just want somebody to actually put their interests first.
00:14:26.000At the same time, Republicans will sort of die on this hill of modern capitalism, which just absolutely sucks and is destroying America.
00:14:32.000So, unfortunately, like that is tough because all the infrastructure, the thought leadership, and all these politicians and the national parties are sort of run to like dig in on these abstractions that don't even make any sense.
00:14:58.000You know, we even had margin fueled stock manias and things like that in the 10s and 20s.
00:15:03.000And back then, people innately understood we needed to break up all this corporate power.
00:15:07.000We needed to smash these oligarchies and, you know, have stronger unions, have a more progressive tax system.
00:15:15.000And that was a Republican platform under Teddy Roosevelt, right?
00:15:19.000And so when you look at what capitalism was, I guess, earlier in the 19th century, a lot of people like The thought leaders in American Compass would say, well, conservative capitalism acknowledges that if you want your economic system to serve the American people, you have to make sure it actually does that.
00:15:34.000And in order to do that, you need a powerful government that will actually regulate in a way that serves people as opposed to, yeah.
00:15:44.000You're calling it conservative capitalism.
00:15:47.000I'm like searching about asking what to call it.
00:15:49.000They're calling it selective state capitalism.
00:15:51.000That's what it's called when the U.S. government buys 10% of 30 different companies.
00:15:55.000They call it selective state capitalism.
00:15:57.000It's not socialism, it's state capitalism.
00:16:33.000I mean, to be honest with you, whatever you call the process, personally, I don't have a significant problem with the United States federal government saying, look, there are certain industries that are vital to national security.
00:16:46.000And so we're going to do what we can to incentivize these companies from not only ensuring that they will be able to survive, but also to ensure that we have the things that we need here in the United States to ensure national security.
00:17:03.000So even though the CHIPS Act was kind of a boondoggle, The concept of making sure that we have the ability to make the chips that we need to support the military and support the infrastructure here in the U.S., I think that's okay.
00:17:16.000The idea that we would have, you know, make sure that we can produce steel here in the United States for, you know, whatever it may be, whether it be for airframes, that's usually aluminum, anyway, for ships or what have you, we can produce the things that we need for our national security.
00:17:31.000I'm a big fan of Andrew because they're building weapons that use.
00:17:37.000Basic normal things that you could quote unquote go down to Radio Shack and pick up.
00:17:41.000That's something that Palmer Lucky himself has said.
00:17:44.000They just built a laptop that's entirely manufactured in the US.
00:17:49.000I'm very pro the United States ensuring that we have the capacity to defend ourselves.
00:17:55.000Look, when COVID first hit and we didn't have any PPE in the US because we were getting it all from China and everything got shut down, that was a massive problem.
00:18:04.000And it should have been a wake up call for the United States.
00:18:06.000And to be honest with you, in the five, six years since, Those problems should have been solved.
00:18:11.000And the fact that they're not is an indictment of the federal government.
00:18:14.000They have not taken care of the things that they need to take care of when it comes to ensuring that the United States can stand on its own two feet.
00:18:21.000We have basically an entire continent here at our disposal.
00:18:25.000The United States is a massive country with enormous amounts of resources that we can tap into.
00:18:31.000And we don't have to tap into it on the level of, oh, we're going to provide it for the rest of the world, but we can tap into it and say, we're going to make sure that the United States can take care of itself.
00:19:26.000There hasn't been, like, we haven't seen a major effort to, like, resure all these jobs or, like, you know, we're starting to turn a corner, I guess, with H 1Bs.
00:19:34.000But, like, overall, the problem is that the government doesn't appear to be addressing these things.
00:19:40.000What you were talking about with buying the companies would probably be broadly popular.
00:19:45.000Like one proxy, the H 1B program is popular overall, and that's because people think we're taking talent from other parts of the world.
00:19:53.000But then if you ask them, are corporations abusing it?
00:19:55.000They're like, hell yeah, they are, right?
00:19:56.000And so, like, the main issue is that we have a system that people think has failed.
00:20:02.000And if the government appears to be cozy with it, when in reality they should be looking out for the interests of people who think they're getting screwed, like that sort of exacerbates this issue that the government doesn't represent the people.
00:20:13.000And Trump has definitely leaned into that.
00:20:15.000Like, the ballroom optics don't help, hugging Mark Zuckerberg when he accused Zuckerberg of stealing his.
00:20:20.000Blah blah blah, something like that doesn't help, you know.
00:20:23.000Trump ran as a populist and then he abandoned it.
00:20:27.000I think that that means that now there's a populist stomp on it.
00:20:30.000Yeah, that means the crown is in the gutter.
00:20:32.000He kind of set the ball rolling, and then he and now someone's gonna get that ball.
00:20:36.000Like, there's a pop, like Nick Fuentes, he just directed 30 plus thousand people to vote Democrat or not vote.
00:20:42.000And like, you can see he's gonna be the Republican nominee if he wants to be now.
00:20:46.000Like, some Trump, like, when you create the monster, you better put a leash on that thing, or someone's gonna grab it and ride it.
00:20:53.000I would say that we're probably a few cycles away from Nick Fuentes being in a position.
00:21:38.000Obviously, the two names that people throw around right now are Marco Rubio and JD Vance, who each come with their own set of problems.
00:21:47.000I was talking to Tate, and he says that he has some friends that are in Marco Rubio's kind of circle, and he says that the people around him are good.
00:21:55.000I've watched some of the speeches that he made, specifically the one from Greece, and I was pretty impressed.
00:22:02.000I also like the fact that Marco Rubio is extremely anti communist.
00:22:06.000I know there's a lot of people that have different problems with Vance.
00:22:09.000His history of criticism of Donald Trump is the first thing that comes to mind.
00:22:14.000But if Donald Trump is damaged goods now, is that something that Vance can overcome?
00:22:22.000I mean, I think probably the guy who's positioning himself now, as we saw in the last couple of days, is DeSantis.
00:22:30.000He's sort of come out looking good because he wasn't associated with the administration, and therefore he can distance himself from this electoral defeat, which is being pinned on the administration, of course.
00:22:41.000I think the problem he's probably going to have in 2028, given how much people are tying this to Iran and the Israel relationship, I think that will be a problem for DeSantis as well, even though he isn't tied to the administration.
00:22:57.000He's also one of the governors that didn't have an absolute massacre in Florida.
00:23:13.000I think the only thing that the only serious, like the, the Israel stuff that you were talking about, I think is is legitimate, and then the other serious, very legitimate yeah, the.
00:23:22.000The other thing that he has to overcome is the fact that he's not tall right, the voice is not the best yeah yeah, but I do think, like Vance is probably still still like out ahead, it's just gonna be a very wide open primary, I think so.
00:23:37.000It's four years, you know, it's only two years until the the, you know the next election for for uh president um, And Israel's on everyone's mind, or on a significant portion of the electorate's mind.
00:23:51.000Is that going to be, is Israel and the United States relationship with Israel, is that going to be a key issue or is it going to be a secondary issue that people are like, well, he's a little chummy with Israel, but these other things overrule that?
00:24:09.000So you still have a core Republican voter who did turn out, but it's just not enough.
00:24:14.000So Trump won in 2024 with about 40% of his vote coming from Israel.
00:24:17.000Self ID independents and crossover Democrats.
00:24:23.000And Republicans still haven't gotten it through their head that they just can't say these people will vote for me because we're Republicans.
00:24:29.000That's sort of the hump that we have to get over.
00:24:31.000So, the problem is, this coalition was always loosely cobbled together, and it was America First, Economic Populism, Reform the Government coalition.
00:24:40.000It had Muslims in it, it had socialists in it, it had pro deportation Hispanics in it, it had a lot of people in it that are not traditional Republican voters.
00:24:50.000Trump, over the last year and a half, has betrayed a lot of those people and just completely governed incoherently, and the Republican Party didn't convert them to Republican voters through good government.
00:25:01.000So now, The problem we have in 2028 is like Trump's still in office for two years.
00:25:07.000Anything economically that happens, he's probably going to own.
00:25:10.000The 120th Congress is going to go after him viciously.
00:25:13.000And from everything I hear, find actual real fraud.
00:25:16.000And the Democrats have a mandate, in my opinion, that's very limited, but it is, it's big, but limited to work with Republicans on affordability, which I hope they would do, but I don't think they will.
00:25:28.000And to hold people accountable for fraud.
00:25:30.000You feel like that the, the, the, American people are.
00:25:33.000Corruption is going to be a thing that is going to be a big deal because I. My reading of it, and this is just, again, my X feed that I'm reading, there's a certain portion of the voting electorate that cares about things like fraud and corruption and stuff.
00:25:51.000But I get the vibe that they're more concerned with economic issues.
00:26:19.000But the problem is that when you have a president who looks like an oligarch, who's standing in the way of affordability things, and you're going to find fraud of all these wealthy people in his administration potentially stuffing taxpayer money or whatever they're doing in their pockets, right?
00:26:34.000That people are, this is going to be some catharsis.
00:26:36.000The Democrats might become popular because, like, quite the Epstein thing plays into this as well.
00:26:43.000Like, Trump, and again, I was out there with polling that said the Epstein thing was the biggest mistake they ever could have made.
00:26:48.000They handed the Democrats an issue gift wrapped for to run on for the next, you know, four years.
00:26:54.000And what they're going to probably do is make Trump the face of Epstein accountability.
00:26:58.000They're going to say, look at these elites.
00:27:41.000Now, the House, what should be happening is people should be organizing now to get actually good candidates for the first time to run in 2028.
00:28:11.000Change the Democrat Party from being so anti American to something that is more pro American?
00:28:17.000Because, I mean, look, there is, there is, not that there's a lot of it out there, but there has historically been a pro America Democrat, right?
00:28:25.000John Fetterman is one now, but he's obviously very pro Israel, too.
00:29:03.000Yeah, the big question I have for Bernie though is that if you listen to him 20 years ago, he would say immigration suppresses wages, and now he does not.
00:29:11.000So, this is a big problem because if we want to form coalition, I think we're on a path to a very dark place, and people are innately sensing an upcoming political violence.
00:29:32.000I just pulled it of people who think an economic uprising is going to happen against the government in the next few years because of hardship.
00:29:38.000So, I mean, something's coming, right?
00:29:40.000And the 2032 is when Social Security goes insolvent.
00:29:44.000And the only thing they can do is either raise taxes, cut benefits, or they can print money.
00:32:36.000It's just a question about how bad things get before then.
00:32:38.000So, we're going to jump to this story here.
00:32:40.000We're seeing as we're talking about economics a bit here.
00:32:43.000From Yahoo Finance, a blowout, U.S. adds 165,000 jobs in October, trouncing expectations.
00:32:50.000The U.S. added 165,000 jobs in October, blowing past economist expectations as the labor market showed strength despite the Federal Reserve's recent rate hikes.
00:33:00.000The unemployment rate ticked down to 4.1 even amid a slight increase in labor force participation.
00:33:06.000September's underwhelming jobs report of 29,000 additions was also revised upward to a gain of 60,000.
00:33:14.000Heather Long, chief economist at Navy Federal Credit Union, deemed the results a blowout.
00:33:20.000Is good for headlines, but I don't think it doesn't make Americans actually feel like the situation economically is better.
00:33:28.000Like you were saying earlier, Mark, that we're in a stealth depression.
00:33:33.000I've heard people say a stealth recession.
00:33:36.000I haven't heard anyone say a stealth depression.
00:33:39.000Why don't you unpack that a little bit?
00:33:41.000I mean, when people are literally, we've gotten to the point where the right supports taxes on billionaires by three to one.
00:34:37.000It's like FBI raided Mar a Lago with authorized use of deadly force.
00:34:40.000People don't trust the federal government now, only 30%.
00:34:43.000And so now when you're in office and you just say, okay, well, cash is in charge, everything's great.
00:34:48.000That's not the way you reform the government.
00:34:50.000And so the whole idea that Donald Trump is running on economic numbers that came out of a BLS, where just literally two years ago in the 24 cycle, We found out the BLS made up a million jobs, and I polled on it, and 70% of people, if it was like 60 or 70%, literally thought it was because they were trying to politically interfere.
00:35:11.000So I don't think, even if people hear it, they don't trust it.
00:35:16.000And why would it affect their ability to afford things or not?
00:35:19.000A lot of obfuscation with the Iranian situation.
00:36:11.000We get to a certain point where bond vigilantes will force our hand.
00:36:14.000You know, like the rate keeps going up until we have economic repression.
00:36:17.000And then you either have to cut or you got to do something else.
00:36:20.000And the other thing that you traditionally do is just print a hell of a lot of money, inflate everything away.
00:36:25.000The side effect of that will be that everybody that has assets will continue to get more wealthy and everybody else would just absolutely be crushed more.
00:36:43.000Yeah, that's the lowest common denominator.
00:36:46.000Well, it's the thing that Americans, even though they know or most people know kind of in the back of their head that it's actually bad, it's a quick, immediate solve because the inflation takes a little bit of time to hit.
00:37:01.000So people will get the money, they can go out and get that kind of like a sugar high, spend it, pay their bills.
00:37:07.000They feel good about the fact that their bills are lower or whatever.
00:37:10.000Um, but then inflation hits a few years later, yeah, six, eight months later, or a year later, a couple years later.
00:37:15.000Then they're like, oh wow, McDonald's now costs 50 bucks for a Big Mac Fry and Coke.
00:37:20.000Yeah, I remember 2021, everyone was feeling great, so much money.
00:37:23.000The greatest numbers of our generation.
00:37:26.000Well, no, but remember, it's not the messaging from the government, it's the way people feel that we're talking about.
00:37:31.000People were like, I love the idea of getting a check, right?
00:37:56.000So all they do is you transfer the wealth that you produce or that you print and give to the people that gets transferred to the people that own things because they're the ones that your average person is buying products from.
00:38:09.000I keep thinking about with GDP, you either want to increase the value of your output or you want to reduce the cost of input.
00:38:14.000And they're obsessed with increasing the value of output, of course.
00:38:21.000From time to time, about hydrogen, because I think we're on the cusp of like they figured out at Rice University how to make graphene by electrocuting carbon and then turning it into graphene gives up hydrogen gas that you can capture and use as fuel.
00:38:32.000You make about $4.50 for every kilogram of hydrogen you produce total in profit.
00:39:09.000We need to lighten up the fuel to reduce costs.
00:39:12.000And I don't know how to, how to, it's like the Indiana Jones scene where he's got to get the idol off the pedestal and he tries to replace it with sand.
00:39:20.000But it's like, how can you do that fast enough?
00:39:22.000How can you switch the fuel economy and maintain power?
00:39:26.000Because if everyone's using hydrogen now, no one.
00:39:28.000Everyone will be able to run their jets and their boats and their rockets, and no one will be begging us for fuel.
00:39:35.000And it's really easy to get it wrong on energy.
00:39:37.000I mean, this is the problem that Europe and especially Britain have.
00:39:41.000Their energy costs are just so huge that they can't have any domestic industry because it's just too expensive compared to other countries.
00:39:48.000And as bad as the gas prices are in America, they're not as bad as Europe or the UK.
00:39:52.000But that just shows you how high energy costs can completely cripple an economy.
00:39:56.000That's all I think about, man, because.
00:40:00.000The printing, were you going to say something else?
00:40:27.000So it goes into the value of stocks or people that have assets.
00:40:30.000They'll borrow more money and buy back more shares.
00:40:34.000Yeah, because the reason that we have such a, or the reason that we've noticed such a significant increase between the haves and the have nots.
00:40:43.000In the past 15 or so years, it is because of quantitative easing and because of zero printing, right?
00:40:49.000If you've got $10 million that you're sitting on, right, and you can take a loan for $5 million, you take that loan and you put it into the stock market and it's gaining 10%, but your loan was at 3%, you're making 7% per year on money that you borrowed.
00:41:04.000So you pay the interest on it with 3% of your profits, you keep 7%.
00:41:10.000If you're doing that with millions of dollars, you're making money just because you borrowed money.
00:41:17.000Also, we're talking about economic populism and, you know, this sort of zoomer versus boomer dynamic.
00:41:22.000One great achievement of the Trump administration, I think, was Trump accounts because that does give everyone a stake in the future and sort of like some insurance against possible hyperinflation because if everyone's bought into the stock market, everything hyperinflates, those accounts will go up, those assets will go up.
00:41:37.000It would actually was a genuine consolation prize.
00:41:46.000And it's matched, like you put a thousand dollars in, the government matches it, and, or, I think for every thousand dollars you put in, they match for a thousand dollars.
00:42:15.000But property rights are the foundation of our entire system.
00:42:22.000We're talking about young people as a group.
00:42:25.000One thing I'm curious about with these job numbers is who did those jobs go to?
00:42:29.000Because I think you look at 2021 when something like up something of over 90% of all jobs went to non white males.
00:42:39.000Yeah, it didn't go to young white guys.
00:42:40.000This is the Achilles heel of the Democrats as they try and adopt.
00:42:43.000So you said they were trying to adopt an America first platform, a populist platform.
00:42:47.000They do still have this thing, like Bernie Sanders, he said, changed his stance on immigration, where They just have this sort of seething underlying racism and sexism towards white males.
00:42:58.000And they created this system, this institutional consensus in corporate America, where it was okay to discriminate on the basis of race and sex.
00:43:05.000And I think this will still be their Achilles heel going forward when it comes to economic populism.
00:43:11.000There are some smart Democrats, and we're starting to see change, in my opinion.
00:43:16.000The whole thing with Nick Fuentes and Amy Acton, did you see she updated her profile pick to be the Groyper pose?
00:43:24.000She knew this was happening and apparently had had discussions with people where she was trying to convince people, like, no, I'm not one of these crazy Democrats.
00:43:57.000But who controls the interests of the Democrats and what is the feedback loop that prevents them from being, from adopting these moderate stances?
00:44:23.000But we have to work that out because, again, these are the kinds of people that will try to be dividing any, what will probably be a youth coalition by things like culture war issues, right?
00:44:33.000So, well, I'm not sure like static interests that back one side or the other because I think what happened in the Obama years.
00:44:40.000Corporations try to cozy up to the Democrats who are in power by doing all these woke things, by starting to discriminate on the basis of race and sex.
00:44:47.000And I think the question, and they stopped all that in order to cozy up to the Trump administration.
00:44:52.000I have a question is, like, how far are they going to do that?
00:44:55.000And I'm especially interested in the question of censorship as well.
00:44:57.000Will Silicon Valley, will tech companies start censoring people again now that they anticipate Democrat rule in Washington?
00:45:06.000That would be a disaster, especially because they haven't finished uncensoring everyone, right?
00:45:10.000Not only because of the Censorship stuff, but because of the capabilities of what tech companies are going to have in the next couple of years, right?
00:45:18.000Like when it was just, oh, we're going to, you know, shadow ban you because you said a no no word, that's one thing.
00:45:24.000But nowadays, with AI that can monitor basically your entire internet existence, like all of your, yeah, I mean, literally can monitor, I mean, they can monitor where you are in your house by your Wi Fi signal, right?
00:45:40.000Like they can access your TV without you knowing it and all of this information.
00:45:44.000It used to be where there was so much information, they couldn't disseminate it.
00:45:49.000So they had to decide which target they were going to go after.
00:45:53.000They probably don't have to do that now.
00:45:54.000And they definitely won't have to do that in a year or two because AI will be able to basically monitor everybody all the time because they just work so fast and they're so capable.
00:46:05.000Yeah, I've written a number of op eds about this.
00:46:07.000Like the danger, especially now that Democrats have won so big, is that this whole field of AI safety, which is fueled by some valid concerns about what AI can do, especially in the realm of cybersecurity.
00:46:18.000Gets hijacked in the same way that trust and safety got hijacked with social media companies to push these social causes into the very algorithms of the AI companies.
00:46:28.000And I think a lot of people that say Anthropic, which I think a lot of people there are a little bit woke themselves, are going to be somewhat receptive to that.
00:46:34.000Yeah, I'm going to jump to this story just because this actually leads into what we're talking about here.
00:46:39.000From Fox News Dems pivot from affordability pitch to DHS probe threats after midterm wins.
00:46:47.000From Fox News, Several prominent Democrats who ran on affordability message were largely silent when pressed by Fox News Digital on their sudden pivot to foreshadowing investigations into the Trump administration, including in many cases its immigration enforcement efforts.
00:47:02.000Rep. Robert Garcia from California, who is poised to lead the House Oversight Committee, responded to Democrats' win Tuesday with a statement, Lawyer up, despite having pledged to prioritize household costs alongside government accountability.
00:47:15.000Garcia told CNN before the election that Democratic Priorities would be lowering the cost of gas, groceries, the mortgage, the rent, alongside combating government corruption.
00:47:25.000In response to a request for comment, a representative for Garcia shared a tweet he posted Wednesday after his Tuesday lawyer up warning that referenced affordability.
00:47:33.000People can't afford gas, groceries, and rent because Donald Trump and his family are ripping off the American people and enriching themselves.
00:47:40.000While it may be true that that's happening, it may be true that that is happening, that is not why people cannot afford things.
00:48:30.000If the reason that they got into office was to enrich themselves and not serve the American people, and you uncover that, because again, we've seen very little effort, not even the communication has been focused on affordability.
00:48:42.000Again, I don't know if that's the case.
00:49:14.000We're talking about the stuff people are taking money from lobbyists to get people fired out of the Trump administration, selling of access, selling of jobs.
00:49:21.000These are the things that are going to come out.
00:49:33.000Congress can pass legislation, can regulate and stuff like that, but the president himself, and this is the same for Obama and for Trump, they have a limited ability to actually affect the economy, right?
00:49:46.000But that doesn't, so it doesn't, so when I hear people saying, oh, it's Trump's fault the economy's bad, I'm kind of like.
00:49:53.000A year ago, I went to the White House, and there's two points here that I want to make.
00:49:56.000One is I sat down and said, this is not the first administration, America is in an economic crisis, and you're losing.
00:50:03.000And if you can do whatever you want in Iran, but number one, the first thing every day that you wake up is be an economic wartime president.
00:50:10.000A wartime leader knows who the enemy is, knows what their capabilities are, has a strategy to fight them, and everybody has to be convinced every day that they have a plan and are winning that war.
00:50:31.000And everybody knows that, they just don't know how to say it.
00:50:34.000And then he surrounded himself by all of these interests and cozies up to them, and it looks terrible.
00:50:39.000But I said, What Americans want to see, you can't change these economic forces fast enough.
00:50:44.000It is cynically about optics, but there's a way to lean into that.
00:50:48.000You have to convince people that if you vote for Republicans, you will continue to get progress down this path to the golden age.
00:50:55.000I told him that he needs to work with Republicans instead of fighting them to lay out the things that they are specifically going to do for economic populism.
00:51:02.000Charlie Kirk had a list that everybody saw on Twitter, right?
00:51:05.000And then show what's going into each reconciliation package.
00:51:08.000Have a big announcement, put it on the website, have a little radio button.
00:51:11.000I checked off this step on the path to the.
00:51:14.000And there was absolutely no effort to pay attention or listen or any of that.
00:51:19.000And then the other aspect of it was the reason I got there was because, again, stepping back, what I've been told is that Susie Wiles and Jared Kushner ended Project 2025.
00:51:29.000Susie Wiles was part of the influence that pushed Elon Musk out of Doge, out of the White House.
00:51:36.000Again, this is all alleged from people and multiple rumors, but.
00:51:41.000After that, we can acknowledge that there was a vacuum of anything other than the one big beautiful bill, right?
00:51:47.000And then leading up into the fall is when Trump's messaging got really bad after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
00:51:54.000And so, one of the things I was directly told to my face when I went there is that Trump listens to a lot of people every day.
00:52:00.000He watches Fox News, he talks to Sean Hannity every day.
00:52:04.000And after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and Charlie Kirk was a very positive influence on Trump.
00:52:10.000And I was actually told that he helped limit, he was an influence on limiting what happened during June of 2025 against Iran.
00:52:19.000That they were not able to replace that voice in Trump's ear that was advocating for the younger voter that Trump had lost.
00:52:26.000And so I was told that I was one of multiple people that were there essentially trying to throw stuff at a wall to see what sticks.
00:52:33.000And like this really leans into me, in my opinion.
00:52:37.000Like if you have goals and a strategy laid out and you build a team, a support structure of people you could delegate to that you trust in order to help you make decisions and stuff like that.
00:52:48.000And it doesn't go from the top down, it's like, He's running everything.
00:52:52.000Susie's managing the White House schedule.
00:52:54.000He makes a bunch of decisions and stuff happens.
00:52:57.000And what we saw is that's the kind of scenario where there isn't a lot of backup if somebody's whispering in his ear about what we want to do over in Iran.
00:53:12.000Trump had trumpeted a few sources of influence and he was one of them.
00:53:16.000The one point I'll make on the oligarch thing is it was a good thing that Silicon Valley companies dialed down the censorship.
00:53:24.000In a bid to win Trump over, I think either that was good, that was unequivocally good.
00:53:28.000Maybe it was cynical on their part, but it's good that they did that.
00:53:31.000I think it is a travesty that Republicans didn't make more of that, that there are still major right wing figures banned on social media platforms.
00:53:39.000Like, whatever you think of Nick Fuentes, I don't 100% agree with him on everything.
00:53:44.000Like, he should not be banned on Twitch.
00:53:46.000He should not be banned on these big platforms.
00:54:01.000Yeah, but Asmund Gold is another example.
00:54:04.000He shouldn't feel that he can't stream on the biggest streaming platform when he's such a popular streamer.
00:54:09.000I mean, this is the problem Republicans did accumulate all this clout with Silicon Valley, and they did not fully use it to get some of these major figures banned.
00:54:20.000And now I think Silicon Valley is going to be more inclined to look at what's coming down the road with Democrats.
00:54:27.000And they might even get more ban happening.
00:54:29.000Yeah, we need to pivot into a 21st century digital constitution.
00:55:21.000You have a right to freedom, you can't be forced to use a piece of software.
00:55:27.000You don't have to use private company software, but a government cannot force you to use a piece of software, and they should protect your right.
00:56:14.000Sometimes you want to break the law when the law is evil and you want to do good, which they, when they lied to the Nazis that they didn't have.
00:56:20.000Jews in their house, they were doing good and they were breaking the law.
00:56:22.000So, like, we need to do that in the digital space.
00:56:24.000They're going to try and create massive amounts of order in the guise of safety, and we need to be able to break out of that for freedom.
00:56:30.000Like, we yeah, I would like consumers to make, uh, to perhaps be more aware of better options out there.
00:56:36.000Like, you know, instead of simply going to the most popular streaming platform that has all these censorship policies, Twitch, um, like they're a way, yeah, go to kick or uh, Grey J. Have you guys heard of Grey J?
00:56:46.000Uh, so this is a product by uh, Futo, uh, that's Aaron Wolf's company in Austin.
00:56:51.000You know, he's a big, big sport of digital liberty.
00:56:54.000And that's a service that basically allows you to follow creators rather than platforms.
00:56:58.000So you follow a creator and it gives you their content across platforms.
00:57:01.000So if they're banned on Twitch, it'll show you their content on Kick.
00:57:04.000That's a much better way for consumers to get content, I think, because it renders consumers and creators both much less vulnerable to these centralized censorship platforms.
00:57:15.000Mesh networking is really important to be able to have our network is like all our devices so that no one, if one goes down, we're still all on the network.
00:57:22.000But like, yo, bro, shit's changing so fast.
00:57:25.000I think that's like a 20th century mindset is like, AI can reverse engineer all the software code now.
00:57:43.000The reality is the most adaptable survive.
00:57:47.000If AI lets you make it, if it isn't just completely cocked and restricted by these AI safety policies that Democrats are now going to influence.
00:57:55.000Anthropic just announced, well, not just Democrats, lots of people are trying to influence these AI safety policies.
00:58:02.000So, yeah, open weight models, but these are precisely the things that Anthropic wants to ban.
00:58:07.000But I tell you, man, if Anthropic tries to step on innovation in the guise of protection, the Chinese are going to blow them out of the water.
00:58:33.000And once you have the ability, like once you have an AI that you can say, look, I'm trying to do this and it does it, it doesn't matter what software it's using.
00:59:39.000But if the guy that's driving me is selling my data to the Chinese CCP, then I'm going to be like, well, now it does matter how we get there.
00:59:46.000So, but most people don't think like that, I don't think.
00:59:49.000And either way, the people that are going to put the brakes on and limit things, it's not going to be anthropic.
00:59:56.000It's going to be the government because that's what soon.
01:00:04.000Well, first off, we have massive Democrat control in both houses of Congress that nobody expected.
01:00:09.000Uh, then you have a really uphill fight for anybody currently on the field, they're mostly all just fake and gay.
01:00:15.000So, I don't, I mean, JD Vance, as far as I know, is the only economic populism.
01:00:19.000Uh, populist, he's been the polling front runner, but he's got some major problems to work out with the whole Trump administration thing.
01:00:26.000And so, we also have this issue where the AI companies promised all this debt, don't have enough revenue to pay it off, uh, as well as all the concentration in the stock market.
01:00:37.000So, like, we've seen this kind of thing before in 2008, whether it was intentional or not.
01:00:42.000The bubble got popped under George W. Bush, and it gave the government a lot of power that was coming in to solve the crisis, right?
01:00:52.000So, a cynical person like me would say, you know, whoever, Larry Fink or somebody, will like pull the plug and drop this puppy right in Trump's lap on the way out, and then the Democrats get to do whatever they want.
01:01:04.000Like, that would be an opportunity to give us UBI over AI or something like that.
01:01:07.000So, just like the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac 2008, Obama have used the government to buy them, basically, did they completely buy Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with that bailout?
01:01:38.000And of course, if you're going to do that, it's going to make a lot of people unhappy.
01:01:41.000And so you have an opportunity in a crisis situation to pack a whole lot of stuff in there and make a lot of change.
01:01:46.000That's the whole reason why Anthropic was saying that they need to have the government regulate them because they're looking to insulate themselves from some kind of negative result from one of their AIs.
01:01:56.000But all of this stuff is kind of irrelevant because this is not happening in China.
01:02:01.000And China's, if they're six months behind when it comes to AI models, all their models are open.
01:02:07.000They're all, you know, you can change the weights and stuff like that.
01:02:11.000Whereas stuff like Anthropic, OpenAI, they're.
01:02:17.000This is about our debt fueled, over leveraged financial system that everybody is using government bucks to gamble in, right?
01:02:26.000The argument, though, is that the AI, the productivity that AI will produce, will allow the U.S. to outgrow the debt, make it produce productivity to a point where the debt is manageable again.
01:03:33.000Not that we can't get there, but because like nuclear power, but um, if you can make two sandwiches for the cost of one, you've cut your economy's national debt.
01:03:41.000I might say 40 trillion in paper, but it's really 20 trillion in value debt.
01:03:44.000So if we can enhance our output, reduce our input, the thing is, how but this, but this still comes back to the fact that the government has basically total control.
01:03:56.000You're not, you can't get any kind of power generation, anything built in any reasonable time, right?
01:04:05.000If they're like, we want to build nuclear power, we want to build nuclear reactors, they break ground the next week, or at least they can, right?
01:04:14.000The United States, the EPA comes in and says, hold on there.
01:04:19.000And they have to do studies and they have to make sure that there's no turtles and there's no, you know, this isn't a breeding ground for some specific animal that might be endangered or is it a wetland or whatever.
01:04:32.000In the United States, we just do not have the efficiency that China has.
01:04:37.000And China's got a lead when it comes to.
01:04:41.000Like China can have the Three Gorges Dam.
01:04:44.000They have another one that's going to be coming online that's going to power enough people to cover like the entire country of Germany or something like that.
01:04:50.000They have nuclear, they went all in, they have solar.
01:04:53.000China, 10 years ago or whatever, went all in on electricity generation.
01:04:58.000The bottleneck next year isn't chips because like Amazon's sitting on chips in a warehouse that they can't power, Google's sitting on chips in warehouses that they can't put into service as a data center.
01:05:12.000Because they don't have the power to do it.
01:05:15.000And China doesn't have that same problem.
01:05:17.000So even if China's using the previous generation of chips, right, they don't have the most advanced models that TSMC and NVIDIA make, they still have the ability to increase the amount of usage that they're getting just by using more of the older chips, right?
01:05:34.000They're getting the same level of compute.
01:05:36.000They're just using more of the older generation and they have the power to do it.
01:05:40.000Like deregulating the power economy, dude.
01:05:43.000I don't know anybody in the Department of Energy right now.
01:05:54.000What I would propose, my understanding of it, looking back economically or history, is that the issue isn't like it's these ways of productivity haven't necessarily netted a better economic situation for most Americans.
01:06:09.000And so, look at all the things we've invented in the last 20 or 30 years, and yet the middle class has been absolutely decimated.
01:06:15.000And so, the question I have is like, Elon Musk or whoever thinks this AI is going to completely overhaul our economy.
01:06:22.000Like, what is the force that's actually going to concentrate that wealth down and not up?
01:06:27.000And so, the reason that we have this whole problem is because we have a government that serves the corporate massive corporations and they aren't operating from the perspective of the economic common good.
01:06:38.000And not only that, they actually despise the very concept.
01:06:41.000And the Republicans will call it socialism, right?
01:06:43.000So, whether or not this AI stuff develops, whether or not, like, We have the energy limitations.
01:06:49.000The main problem is that we're still on a path to an economic uprising or some kind of political violent upheaval, right?
01:07:35.000Like, and, you know, and it could be like, it could be the.
01:07:39.000So, this is the fourth turning essentially, where the institutions fail so badly that a new generation of people with a different set of values rebuilds the institutions.
01:07:49.000And we know these new generations are millennials and Gen Z. That's what history tells us.
01:07:53.000And they're doing all the behavior things.
01:07:55.000Like, this stuff with Nick Flynn is fourth turning stuff.
01:07:58.000He's rebelling against the older generation.
01:09:16.000So, I think when I process it, I'm going to get a number like 57 or 58.
01:09:21.000The percent of Americans who think it's at least somewhat likely an economic uprising against the government happens in the next few years.
01:09:28.000Those numbers have all been going up, right?
01:09:30.000So, and if you rank people's concerns, like one of their highest concerns is.
01:09:35.000Political violence in the United States.
01:09:37.000People don't care about foreign terrorism anymore.
01:09:39.000They're more concerned about domestic terrorism, like three to one.
01:09:42.000So we ask the question who's America's biggest enemy?
01:09:47.000And we usually stack rank them and see where they are.
01:09:50.000And we put the Republican and Democrat parties in there.
01:09:53.000And it's like China, Democrats, Republicans, Iran.
01:10:13.000So I actually did some polling for the head of DOJ antitrust, Gail Slater, because she couldn't find anything about it because people don't want to poll about how unpopular corporations are.
01:10:41.000And these are people that like antitrust, like most people don't even know that, but they're just desperate for some kind of solution.
01:10:47.000And what we saw, like I'm telling you, this egregious stuff is going to come out.
01:10:50.000Like you got a lobbyist who is getting paid millions of dollars to get Gail Slayer fired out of DOJ antitrust to defend Live Nation so it could keep buying up all these ticket venues so your Taylor Swift ticket's 300 bucks.
01:11:01.000Americans are going to freaking hate that.
01:11:02.000And the story has only been told a little bit, right?
01:11:05.000So this is the kind of stuff that's coming.
01:11:07.000Like, we're gonna, there's gonna be very egregious examples of bad things that happen that people are gonna.
01:11:14.000So, Trump went into this election with a 38% approval rating, lowest going all the way back to Nixon.
01:11:21.000Nixon got down to a 25% and he was forced to resign.
01:11:23.000So, that's like the bookends we're dealing with.
01:11:25.000He's going to take a hit because these midterms are going to be down to like 35%, probably.
01:11:29.000So that's like about where George W. Bush was when the great financial crisis happened.
01:11:34.000And so when you look at 35 to 25, these are the kinds of things that can get us there.
01:12:08.000You should know where your economy is being mother brained.
01:12:13.000To extricate from that, I'm not even advocating to get out of it because that would, they'll go, I don't know.
01:12:19.000That's the whole system that's been set up since 1947 is this liberal economic order out of Switzerland, I guess, is where they headquartered it.
01:13:21.000All somebody has to do is pick up the crown.
01:13:23.000It's a nationalist, populist movement that is sanguine about representing the American people.
01:13:29.000That's all, like the very basic fundamental purpose of the government.
01:13:33.000All we need is one person that can do that.
01:13:35.000The problem is that they're going to need a major support infrastructure.
01:13:39.000And the Republican Party is farther than it's ever been from that.
01:13:42.000And I would argue that probably the Democrat support infrastructure has other goals, right?
01:13:46.000And so, in my opinion, the biggest sucker in America right now is Elon Musk, who pissed away half a billion dollars trying to bail out Republicans at the very end.
01:13:56.000And none of that money, a lot of it was pocketed by the consulting class.
01:14:00.000None of it went to the right messaging.
01:14:01.000The ads didn't move the polling at all.
01:14:03.000And I would be pretty mad with it if I were him because he lost tens of billions or whatever in stock because now they're going to come after him, right?
01:14:11.000And it's like the problem is that all the money that goes to the right is funneled through a tightly controlled network of people, and it's all allocated based on who makes the most money off of it.
01:14:55.000I would not bet anything on the right being able to build that kind of infrastructure and infrastructure that can rival the Democrats' ground game activist infrastructure because the Democrats have been doing it for decades.
01:15:10.000Look, the idea of a community organizer.
01:15:14.000Those kind of things, like Barack Obama was a community organizer, like that.
01:15:17.000Oh, yeah, they definitely plugged the SEIU into the whole network.
01:15:28.000I mean, whether it be the National Lawyers Guild to protect the activists if they get out of hand, or if you're dealing with the on the ground protest stuff, like every protest always has nicely made signs that are made up and they're handed out.
01:15:48.000That kind of activism, the right does not have.
01:15:51.000When you say we have six months, what to do exactly?
01:15:54.000So if you think about what we're, let's just say JD's the candidate.
01:15:58.000Somehow, miraculously, he overcomes the fact that Israel hates him and that he probably won't raise the Miriam Middleton money and he'll have to use big tech money instead or whatever.
01:16:07.000And somehow they keep from shiving him and shoving Rubio in because that's what everybody around Trump wants.
01:16:13.000Again, he's the polling front runner and he's the only one that I've talked to who I think is a genuine economic populist, which I think is an imperative at this point.
01:16:22.000The right will not win without anybody who can talk about that with authenticity.
01:16:26.000Now, he's always been doing well in the polls.
01:16:29.000His net approval is 10 points better than Trump.
01:16:32.000There is a shot, but what we're asking of him isn't to run as a president in a tough cycle.
01:16:38.000We're asking him to challenge an extremely well funded organization that he's going to have to take over that wants to fight him with every fiber of its being and realizes that if he gets his way and gets political power and governs for the people, that their gravy train is over.
01:17:02.000Your point to the how's he going to keep it from being co opted.
01:17:05.000There aren't as many true believers on the right as there are on the left, right?
01:17:11.000Like, people on the right are like battered wife.
01:17:14.000Yeah, like your point, like people on the right that should be doing things with the money that's donated to try to help get the candidate elected, they're just shoving it in their pockets.
01:17:25.000Here's the problem, though the people think about how many people went to Trump rallies in the last 10 years.
01:17:42.000If you look at the ballot initiatives that were all brought for throughout the several states, all of the stuff the right, the Republicans campaign on, they all passed voter ID that passed in almost every 70 or 80 positions.
01:17:58.000Yeah, they're all thinking right loses because it wants to.
01:18:01.000They have the right issues, like it's not hard.
01:18:03.000Like, well, there's one thing that's missing from this discussion, which is the level to which the federal government.
01:18:09.000Like the deep state in the US and in many other countries has this formula where they astroturf the grassroots, where they fund civil society.
01:18:18.000And this is how they created the impression.
01:18:21.000This is how they started in 2018 to create the impression of a grassroots demand for counter disinformation on social media.
01:18:30.000They just funded all of these civil, what they call civil society organizations.
01:18:34.000And that creates the impression of grassroots activity.
01:18:37.000And actually, it can create genuine grassroots activity because that's a lot of money that's going down.
01:18:42.000To organizers, to community organizers, to academics, to all these forces in society.
01:19:43.000We can, like, Mike Benz was here last week.
01:19:45.000We were talking about, oh, yeah, why isn't there someone like Kissinger in the modern era refactoring a new form of global military dominance that can work?
01:19:54.000And what do we need to accomplish that?
01:19:55.000Because we can sit down in 17 hours and get something crafted.
01:19:58.000So I think it needs to be not attached to a candidate.
01:20:01.000And I think it probably needs a few billion, unfortunately.
01:20:14.000If you're going to build a coalition and compromise with people, they have to understand why you have your beliefs.
01:20:20.000And his 10 points was not like a list of build the wall and stuff.
01:20:23.000It was like we believe in a fair America and a rule of law and stuff like that, right?
01:20:28.000So, this organization should have something like Arabella, where it funnels the big money in and it goes to organizing infrastructure.
01:20:37.000So, it needs somebody that'll do the data that won't sell out, like all the right wing pollsters that sell out to the lobbyists.
01:20:44.000It needs somebody to lead, to do messaging.
01:20:46.000It needs somebody to be in charge of the advertising and do digital ads that don't just get pissed away.
01:20:52.000It needs to have something like Turning Point, where there's a national organizing for grassroots, but it should be structural, right?
01:20:58.000So, you build one of these nonprofits in every State and you actually allocate money to them instead of just like pissing on the grassroots.
01:21:05.000These people, you know, give them real data.
01:21:10.000Then you have something like the Democrats have run for success where they actually find candidates and train them and back them.
01:21:15.000So the main issue with the Republican Party is that the primaries are basically their chance to find the person that can raise the most donor bucks or get all the manna from heaven from the NRCC or whatever.
01:21:27.000So they can all grift off of it and they will shut MAGA, they will shut outsiders out, they'll tell the donors not to.
01:21:34.000And so the Republican Party tells you you can't punish Republicans in primaries on purpose because they want to keep making money, right?
01:21:41.000So you have to get this army of candidates that might not like they'll probably run as Republicans, but maybe also Democrats.
01:21:48.000But all of this, the whole goal is to build this whole thing and another win red that actually brings the money straight to the campaigns that is not headquartered in DC and has like an iron fisted control of who works there and it needs to be an uncorrupted organization.
01:22:04.000The Republican Party is just too far gone.
01:22:53.000Like, we essentially took a money making organization and transplanted it into the front, the very head of a populist movement that had a historic mandate.
01:23:05.000Like, and just, like, I mean, this is what happened.
01:23:09.000Like, that's, in my opinion, what happened.
01:23:11.000I wonder if a populist grassroots movement could compete with Chinese autocracy if we need like a federal authoritarian movement, like seize the means of production, seize people's property rights to beat the enemy, like they did during World War II.
01:23:31.000China doesn't seize the means of production.
01:23:32.000I mean, they abandoned like full top down USSR style economics decades ago.
01:23:38.000Particularly like Lincoln, you know, how he shut down habeas corpus for an area because it was too dangerous to let these people, like right now, It's too dangerous.
01:23:54.000You have to have a government that actually encourages not just the companies that are involved.
01:24:02.000If you're talking about beating China with AI, you have to have a government that wants to see AI being used to benefit the people as opposed to AI being used as a means to kind of shape.
01:24:21.000Because I mean, the AI products that you're allowed to use and stuff in China are very different than the open models that they put out because there are certain things that you're not allowed to talk about.
01:24:32.000I'm sure if you were in China and you ask an AI model about Tiananmen Square, you'll get a very different answer than if you ask an AI model from China that you're using in the US.
01:24:45.000I imagine the answers would be pretty different.
01:24:48.000There's a lot of hostility towards sort of AI oligarchs and tech oligarchs and all of this.
01:24:53.000But if you just unilaterally slow down on all of this stuff without getting an agreement with China to slow down as well, then what's going to stop China racing ahead?
01:25:06.000You have big Democrats who say we've got to pause all development and super intelligent AI.
01:25:11.000You've got some conservative, like Tiger Cost probably wants to do that as well.
01:25:16.000But if you don't get China to pause as well, how do you stop them just dominating everything?
01:25:21.000And that's one of the things when it comes to AI, when it comes to like.
01:25:25.000Actual ASI, like artificial super intelligence.
01:25:30.000If you do get models that are that smart and that are that capable of predicting how other actors will behave and what they're going to do, when you lose, you lose forever.
01:25:44.000So if we had the problem I see is if we had like a strategic AI limitation treaty or whatever SALT is, right?
01:28:02.000All of the things that came, especially after World War II, when we were, when the global society, if you want to call it that, all the countries on earth were considerably further down the economic ladder, right?
01:28:15.000The U.S. saying, look, We're not going to just go in and nuke your governments and take your resources.
01:28:21.000We're going to help you to develop your country and your people will be better off.
01:28:26.000The entire world, even places that are still kind of backwards, like in Africa and stuff, they're better off than they were 50 years ago.
01:28:38.000The infant mortality rate has gone down overall globally.
01:28:43.000I'm not sure if Zimbabwe is better than it was 50 years ago, but.
01:29:11.000It probably wasn't as good as when Rhodesia existed.
01:29:14.000An example of AI military dominance would be like, Imagine the worst case scenario the Chinese decide we're going to Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the United States, they're going to blow up our economics.
01:29:25.000Our power grid goes down for two weeks, and they're like, see, this is what we can do.
01:29:28.000Then it goes back up, and four weeks later, they do it again.
01:29:30.000And they're like, bow to us, and we will make sure your standard of living goes up.
01:29:34.000And we're like, oh, the U.S., like I said, after the end of World War II, the U.S. had nuclear bombs and had the capability to actually dominate militarily, and we didn't.
01:29:47.000That would be the best case scenario with AI.
01:29:50.000Have the U.S. Behave with a super intelligent AI system saying, Look, we've got this and we could do this stuff, but we're not going to.
01:30:46.000Just because you like, be like, look, your entire military infrastructure is completely open to us now and we'll prove it and we do it and we're going to take the.
01:30:56.000The AI system out of your system, but you're no longer in a position to military action.
01:31:01.000Actually, that's probably what happened in January of 2025.
01:32:47.000Whoever has more electricity wins in those instances.
01:32:50.000If development is the critical path, but you're saying it's like, okay, instead of asymmetry of capabilities, it's like asymmetry of vulnerabilities or something like that, right?
01:32:58.000Yeah, it's like the scenario you were saying where one country doesn't use its super intelligent AI.
01:33:04.000That allows a few years for another country to get it.
01:33:06.000And what happens then when two countries have it rather than one?
01:33:10.000And if you get the first super intelligence, you can kind of seed the rest of the world with your intelligence.
01:33:15.000And so it all gets manipulated by yours.
01:33:18.000That might be like the way they win in the.
01:33:20.000The one difference I'll point out is that when we developed nuclear weapons, we had an existential foe that externalized all our problems, and American public opinion was cohesive, and there was a high trust society, and we were at the end of the fourth turning crisis where people had already reformed.
01:33:35.000And a lot of stuff that had happened there in World War II, like besides just the nukes, there was an unprecedented level of government control over the economy.
01:33:43.000Like we were re industrializing, there were lots of new regulations, there was a lot of government control over certain sectors.
01:33:48.000In a way that would be absolutely crazy to us.
01:33:50.000And then after that period, it was like, hey, we developed nukes.
01:34:20.000Use Google AI every day, and 70% of Americans say that they don't like AI.
01:34:27.000There's so many polls that I see where I just think of that Simpsons bit where the old lady's like, you know, put everything in one bag, but don't make the bag too heavy.
01:35:51.000If you want the populist upside of AI, it's that.
01:35:54.000You can save money on not having to go for a $2,000 consultation with your guy to get your finances together.
01:36:01.000You can tell that thing and give it access to your stuff and have it done in two hours.
01:36:04.000Look, one of the things that I think is most positive about it is like, If you have a technician that's looking at an MRI, do you want a guy that's looked at 10,000 MRIs to find maybe to see if you might have a problem?
01:36:21.000Or do you want an AI that's seen every MRI ever?
01:36:27.000The capabilities of AI to influence and affect the healthcare industry, not only on the actual medicine side, but also on the side of getting rid of the.
01:37:19.000Had I done that two years ago, I would not have been able to start my own company.
01:37:22.000So I'm out there, and because of that, I don't have any strengths to anybody, and I can literally reproduce an entire polling company myself with AI.
01:38:06.000You're seeing, not only do you have access to seeing it, but like the downside of the apocalypse, I think, is that your emails are going to get made public, all your texts, all your browser history, maybe even your thoughts if they start reading thoughts.
01:38:20.000So, like, get good with God and righteousness.
01:38:23.000Because that's another reason why not to become obsessed with law and order.
01:38:25.000Because there's going to be so many people that have broken so many laws.
01:38:28.000And it's like, bro, law is not the lay of the land.
01:38:31.000It's like there's law and then there's good.
01:38:33.000And sometimes you got to do the right, the good thing that maybe is a little more chaotic.
01:38:37.000People are really going to have to find God when it comes to that.
01:38:40.000By far the worst consequence of the digital era in general, you know, I'm pretty anti censorship, but the panopticon, like everyone publishing everything about everyone, recording each other, posting it online, no one's lives being.
01:39:15.000And I remember a time before being constantly monitored, right?
01:39:20.000Like when I was a kid, I would get on my bike and I'd go ride, and my parents would be like, get home before the lights, and they wouldn't actually know where I was, right?
01:39:31.000Gen Z doesn't have a concept of not knowing where their parents are, where their friends are.
01:39:39.000Only recently in my life have I actually turned on the monitoring thing in this where someone can share your location all the time.
01:39:50.000That was something that never occurred to me.
01:39:52.000But Gen Z is like, oh, yeah, I have all of my friends on all the time.
01:39:57.000Or my group of five friends, I always know where they are.
01:40:00.000And it's something that Gen Z doesn't really find value in.
01:40:06.000The idea of, oh, I don't want to be watched all the time, they kind of assume that they're being watched all the time.
01:40:12.000Anyways, the idea of privacy has evolved to from being like I can actually be alone and not have cameras watching me all the time to like, well, no one's complaining about what I'm doing.
01:40:23.000Maybe I'm actually, I can't even really, I can't even, I can't, I can't really come up with a theory of mind.
01:40:29.000You're socially cohesive as a generation and in a way that it fascinates me.
01:40:34.000So we were talking about video games before, and when we were young, like what year, if you don't mind me asking, was I born?
01:41:06.000So they'll like literally set the all time record of, you know, games, the gamers all on one game with like grow a garden or something like two years ago and they play Fortnite, right?
01:41:18.000So, they want to do it from a social interactive perspective.
01:41:20.000That's why they perceive technology so positively and they don't care about these aspects.
01:41:28.000But that is what you would expect to see out of a fourth turning generation somebody that's sick of all this fragmentation and individuality.
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01:42:17.000So right now, Kevin Adele says, Tim Cass, I don't think Tucker, Nick, And their ilk will support Vance or Rubio due to their association with Trump and the Iran war.
01:42:26.000I think they'd support the most anti Israel candidate, which I believe will be El Said.
01:42:31.000Do you guys think Brandon Gill will be a more viable candidate?
01:42:33.000So, look, personally, I don't know a lot about Brandon Gill, but the things that I see, I like.
01:42:40.000I don't know that Tucker's and Nick Fuentes' audience would find El Said compelling.
01:44:04.000And then he alluded to the fact that he's identified who he thinks the dark horse candidate will be, although I don't think he's named a name yet.
01:44:34.000I'm not sure that Fishback has the mojo.
01:44:36.000Yeah, I mean, I think that the difficulty that Groypers will encounter and the Fuentes faction will encounter, and it's the same problem that the DSA have because all the DSA candidates ran behind the more moderate Democrats.
01:44:48.000They would have lost if there wasn't a massive national swing against Republicans, where some of the more moderate candidates would have won.
01:44:55.000Can that faction accept somebody with maybe most of the policies of a James Fishback, but with the demeanor and the rhetoric of a Glenn Youngkin?
01:46:59.000What do you think the social security situation would look like if our government invested the money we pay into it, into the stocks, into stocks instead of lighting it on fire?
01:47:16.000So, like a national stock portfolio that people invest in?
01:47:21.000Well, instead of putting the money into the lockbox that was always wide open, that was never locked, instead of basically just giving it to the government to spend how they see fit, because that's what they do with it.
01:47:32.000If the people were allowed to retain the money that they would have put into the social security system, but retain it for themselves, or even if it went to the federal government and the federal government then actually did take that money and put it into the stock market.
01:47:49.000So that way, people that are not particularly good at saving money, they had to save the money because the government said, Daddy's going to do it for you.
01:49:00.000I don't know enough about the structure to really.
01:49:02.000I mean, again, to Mark's point, like, Conceptually, it sounds good, but like you said, the money that does get spent on Social Security and those things that does go into the economy, it does go into the healthcare market.
01:49:20.000Even if the government is just taking a transfer payment, transferring from one group of people, which is the people that are on Social Security, to another group of people that are in the healthcare industry, it's still a transfer payment at the end of the day.
01:49:56.000I scribed to the gentler version, which is where all the benefits just got cut off, but that's where it came from is a 4chan copypasta about that.
01:50:09.000At what point do we admit from Dr. Pants' PhD in 40, At what point do we admit that enlarging the tent alienated a large enough element of the base that it was counterproductive?
01:50:18.000I mean by this that the pandering to minorities and immigrants had a statistically insignificant return on investment while younger white males abandoned the party in droves.
01:52:06.000Is the idea here that the states are going to align their rules?
01:52:08.000Because I'm pretty sure states have their own rules about how they do it.
01:52:12.000So the electoral college is supposed to go not for, they're supposed to vote for whatever the state is.
01:52:18.000But if the total popular vote goes a different way, then the compact says no matter what the state is supposed to vote for, we're going to vote for whoever wins the popular vote, which I don't know if that's unconstitutional or not.
01:52:37.000I guess we'd have to test it if it hasn't been tested before.
01:52:54.000But this does go to the point that Democrats do want to structurally change the United States and get rid of the Senate, get rid of the Electoral College, and they'll basically do anything they can to circumvent the rules because.
01:53:08.000The rules only matter if you're in charge.
01:53:10.000You know, the Republican, the DNC, and the RNC are private companies.
01:54:17.000There should be some government, it should be some function of the federal government, not a private company.
01:54:21.000The federal government is actually prohibited from being involved in the things because the states are supposed to do that.
01:54:28.000The states decide how they run their elections.
01:54:31.000The federal government isn't supposed to be largely involved in elections because the federal government isn't supposed to have an opinion.
01:54:42.000Right, like, yeah, that's a good point.
01:54:43.000The government has a lot more leverage over a nonprofit than it does over a private company because they could always threaten to take away nonprofit status.
01:54:49.000The DNC and the RNC are both 527 tax exempt nonprofit organizations.
01:55:00.000The electoral college elects who's going to be the president.
01:55:04.000And the federal government is supposed to say, well, this guy's the president in charge now because that is the will of the people.
01:55:11.000So we will change and adjust to what this administration wants as opposed to saying, well, we want to have a stake or a say in who the president is and how the country's run.
01:55:23.000I understand the better men model that we need the Senate.
01:55:27.000We need a small group of better men that will override the mob if the mob speaks.
01:55:31.000But it's like the will of the core, like a 501, what is this, 527?
01:56:23.000They have the superdelegates and then the delegates.
01:56:25.000The RNC is a very small group of like 200 people or something.
01:56:28.000C. Nosky says, Why is it that we're three days after this trouncing, looking at the same candidates as possible 2028 contenders as what just lost?
01:56:37.000Why aren't we trying to find the next guy?
01:57:47.000Now, it was probably written by ChatGPT, but I mean, the concept's good, right?
01:57:50.000But like, I wonder how connected this is to the Tucker thing, because I've heard that Tucker has been reaching out to leftists as well.
01:57:58.000And I don't think he's going to run or not, but him going principles first, in my opinion, was the smartest thing I've seen in politics for a long time.
01:58:06.000And the Matthew McConaughey thing was a five minute speech about how important it is that we step back from the two party system and have true independent candidates.
01:58:17.000And that he wants an independent movement.
01:58:19.000And the goal would be to basically get a block of hostage votes in Congress where you can shut down any legislation that doesn't serve the American people.
01:58:26.000And that's like single issue enough for me where it's like, cool, who can he get on board?
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