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00:01:57.000 Ken Paxton has filed suit to vacate the seats, the House seats that Democrats who fled Texas.

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00:05:25.000 So we're going to get right into it.

00:05:27.000 From the prime, from the post-millennial, breaking, Ken Paxton files suit to vacate state house seats held by Dems who fled over redistricting vote.

00:05:36.000 Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has filed a lawsuit with the state Supreme Court in order to declare the seats held by 13 Democrat House lawmakers who fled the state amid a vote on a new congressional district map vacant.

00:05:48.000 The rogue Democrat legislators who fled the state have abandoned their duties, leaving their seats vacant.

00:05:54.000 These cowards deliberately sabotaged the constitutional process and violated the oaths they swore to uphold.

00:06:00.000 Their out-of-state rebellion cannot go unchecked, and the business of Texas must go on.

00:06:05.000 I have asked the Texas Supreme Court to clarify what has been clear from the beginning: that the runaway members have officially vacated their offices in the Texas House, Paxton said in a statement.

00:06:16.000 This is a bit of a surprise for some people.

00:06:19.000 I think that it's good.

00:06:21.000 I know that House members leaving the state in order to prevent quorums and stuff like that.

00:06:28.000 It's not unprecedented, but it does seem like Ken Paxton wants to put a little oomph behind it.

00:06:35.000 And I think that probably has something to do with the fact that he's after John Cornyn's seat.

00:06:39.000 Yeah.

00:06:39.000 Yeah, we were talking about this yesterday as well.

00:06:41.000 So like without 100, they can't do business, right?

00:06:45.000 So that's the issue.

00:06:46.000 So it's like, you know, the government's already inefficient, and now they can't even like do anything because these Democrats have left.

00:06:52.000 We were talking about it last night.

00:06:53.000 The issue is like, okay, if you arrest them, you just martyr them and you give them, you know, all kinds of social credit.

00:06:59.000 So what do we do?

00:07:01.000 What's social credit going to do for them?

00:07:03.000 When elections become, you know, like become the face of the Democrat Party.

00:07:08.000 I mean, everyone's vying for that right now.

00:07:11.000 Do you think that state legislators leaving really are going to have an impact on national Democrats?

00:07:20.000 No, what I'm saying is if you arrest them.

00:07:22.000 I mean, yeah, but I mean, the point that I'm making is as state, most of the time, most Americans don't really pay attention to their own state governments, never mind the state government in Texas.

00:07:33.000 Now, there are people that are worked up because this is about redistricting and stuff, but redistricting is not, you know, redistricting halfway through the time for the census is not unprecedented.

00:07:45.000 They've done it before.

00:07:46.000 It's happened.

00:07:47.000 I heard someone, I forget who it was that was talking about this being an unprecedented situation, and it's not.

00:07:53.000 They've had fine, but Chris O'Kane said that.

00:07:56.000 Yeah, it's rare.

00:07:57.000 Yeah, rare is fine, but it's still unprecedented is different.

00:08:02.000 And so I don't think that most Americans really are going to care beyond Democrats are looking for something to talk about.

00:08:10.000 What do you think?

00:08:11.000 I mean, I'm not well-versed on gerrymandering, but I mean, my opinion is that they should have stayed.

00:08:17.000 Like, you know, I don't think it's right that they left.

00:08:20.000 Like, I'm can say that.

00:08:22.000 And yeah, my question is the same.

00:08:24.000 Like, what, like, something needs to be done about it?

00:08:27.000 I feel like so it, I mean, I think.

00:08:28.000 Yeah, what do you, I mean, like, what do you do?

00:08:30.000 You're like, yeah, you pick them up and like force them back into their job.

00:08:33.000 I mean, it's, it's like, like, what are your options?

00:08:35.000 And yeah, what I'm saying, as far as like becoming the face of the Democratic Party, like, they're being arrested.

00:08:40.000 They're getting the photo op.

00:08:42.000 They're going to be, it's going to be national news.

00:08:44.000 Like, they want this.

00:08:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:46.000 With like Mom Donnie, I would argue Mom Donnie's probably like the biggest, most popular face in the Democratic Party right now. 1.00

00:08:53.000 But if these guys are, you know, carded out in the jail and stuff, like all of a sudden everyone's going to know their names, know who they are, know what their positions are.

00:09:00.000 So it's like, you know.

00:09:01.000 But does this hurt Democrats?

00:09:02.000 Because it's my opinion that Democrats are really floundering.

00:09:07.000 Part of the reason why they're doing this is because, you know, Democrats still, just yesterday, there was a clip of Nancy Pelosi talking about how they want to nationalize gender reassignment surgery for kids.

00:09:19.000 This is an 80-20 issue.

00:09:21.000 The American people do not back that.

00:09:24.000 But Democrats still are on the wrong side of so many issues.

00:09:28.000 Is this the issue?

00:09:29.000 that they're trying to get behind because they think that it's an easy win.

00:09:33.000 Is it an easy win?

00:09:34.000 Or is this just something to distract from the fact that they still have nothing except for Zorhan Mamdani, who is really unpopular in their own party?

00:09:46.000 I mean, there are some people that are very pro Mamdani, of course, but the people that are against Mamdani, like this is really going to split the Democrat Party, even though it's only the mayor of one city, not even a national level Democrat.

00:09:59.000 Yeah, no, it's a big one, like myself included.

00:10:02.000 Like I am, you know, not as progressive.

00:10:05.000 Like I'm not on this extreme.

00:10:07.000 Like, and a lot of this stuff is really turning me off.

00:10:10.000 So, you know, being a Democrat, like I, you know, I don't know that this is the issue, but I think you're onto something whereas they're not really changing their tune.

00:10:18.000 They're sort of doubling down on the scene.

00:10:21.000 So that's been bothering me.

00:10:23.000 It's something that's kind of pushed me more towards center, you know?

00:10:27.000 Yeah, I'm curious a lot, like, what are we hearing at the White House?

00:10:31.000 What do you mean?

00:10:32.000 Like, as far as like, what's the administration saying about this?

00:10:36.000 I haven't really heard.

00:10:37.000 I've heard a lot.

00:10:38.000 A lot.

00:10:39.000 Our White House correspondent who talks to everyone at the White House.

00:10:41.000 What's the president's, has the president or has the White House made any official statements about what's going on in Texas?

00:10:47.000 Not to my knowledge.

00:10:48.000 I think he's letting this one rock out.

00:10:49.000 I don't know.

00:10:50.000 You could Google it.

00:10:50.000 I haven't been up to date on like.

00:10:52.000 You've been at the White House, right?

00:10:54.000 Oh, okay.

00:10:54.000 I have been at the White House.

00:10:55.000 You're just making sure.

00:10:56.000 I did ask.

00:10:57.000 I don't want to get into my scoops here.

00:10:59.000 I'm not sure, but I think there is this one House rep in Texas.

00:11:04.000 He just went on the Joe Rogan show.

00:11:06.000 I forgot what his name is.

00:11:07.000 He's having a little come up.

00:11:08.000 I don't know if he's one of these guys.

00:11:11.000 But yeah, again, this is just posturing.

00:11:13.000 Like, this is a band-aid fixed for the gerrymandering issue for them in Texas.

00:11:19.000 They're going to eventually have to come back.

00:11:23.000 It's a special session right now.

00:11:25.000 And the special session, I believe, ends at the end of August, I think.

00:11:30.000 I'm not positive, but it's 30 days is what a special session is.

00:11:33.000 And then if the governor wants to declare another or call another special session, they can.

00:11:39.000 So eventually, yes, you're right.

00:11:40.000 There is going to have to be something that'll happen.

00:11:42.000 But the Democrats that I've heard talking, the Texas Democrats that I've heard talking, they've kind of alluded to the idea that they're willing to stay on the land as long as it takes.

00:11:52.000 Because you just said a lot, they're going to have to come back.

00:11:54.000 What does that mean?

00:11:55.000 You can't force somebody to come back unless you arrest them, in which case then they're going to stay out of the way.

00:12:00.000 It's what they want.

00:12:00.000 They're going to be strict until the next midterm election.

00:12:03.000 No, right?

00:12:04.000 They're going to slowly get fined, and then they're going to look very bad for staying out of their districts and not doing anything and essentially filibustering inevitably to prevent the state house from accomplishing anything that'll be extremely unpopular.

00:12:16.000 So politically, they're going to have to come back.

00:12:19.000 It'll be unpopular on the state level.

00:12:22.000 Do you think that it'll be popular with national Democrats?

00:12:26.000 Do I think it'll be unpopular with Nemo?

00:12:27.000 No, do you think that it will be popular with national Democrats?

00:12:31.000 Because it will be looked at as, oh, they're taking it to Trump and they're giving it.

00:12:35.000 Maybe, but I could still not name one of these.

00:12:37.000 I don't know.

00:12:38.000 You said these guys are going to turn popular, Sean.

00:12:39.000 Can you name one of these House representatives?

00:12:41.000 Not yet, but as soon as you get the handcuffs on him and he's on television everywhere, it's like Mom Dani.

00:12:46.000 Could you have named Mom Danny three months ago?

00:12:49.000 When he was running, I could have, but that's not.

00:12:52.000 Right.

00:12:53.000 They did this in 2021 when there were voting laws in Texas.

00:12:57.000 Over 20 or over 50 Democratic lawmakers fled.

00:13:00.000 If you guys recall this, they all left in Texas.

00:13:02.000 But they all came back and the Republicans still passed the law.

00:13:05.000 So it's just a big theater.

00:13:07.000 It's not going to have any effect.

00:13:08.000 They're going to come back.

00:13:09.000 The gerrymandering is going to work and we're going to move on and no one's going to care about these people down the road.

00:13:13.000 Well, I mean, I think that I think you're probably right about the long-term consequences unless one of these state legislators actually is exceptionally politically talented.

00:13:29.000 Because it's like you could take someone.

00:13:31.000 I mean, no one thought that Barack Obama was going to be the president six months before he got into office as the junior senator in Illinois.

00:13:40.000 Nobody knew who he was.

00:13:42.000 But because he's very politically talented, has a lot of charisma, you know, very quickly it became apparent that, wow, this guy's actually going to be a force.

00:13:49.000 And then, you know, within just, you know, a year or so, he had taken over, basically taken over the whole Democrat Party.

00:13:56.000 So I do think that as long as there are no, there are none of these people are actually politically talented, I think you're right.

00:14:04.000 But this is the kind of thing that brings out, you know, that shines the light on politically talented people.

00:14:11.000 And we are in unprecedented times.

00:14:14.000 You know, like I understand what you're saying, like, would you say 50 years ago?

00:14:17.000 No, no, just back in 2021.

00:14:19.000 2021.

00:14:20.000 Okay.

00:14:20.000 So they all came back.

00:14:21.000 Yeah.

00:14:22.000 Yeah.

00:14:22.000 Or 50 left and they came back and they just think on the left, they hate Trump so much that like even like what do the woke call it?

00:14:29.000 Good trouble.

00:14:30.000 They get into good trouble.

00:14:31.000 So it's like this is what they see as their opportunity for that good trouble not coming back.

00:14:35.000 And plus you can be on broadcast it every day on social media.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, I mean, that's, I think that that's the kind of what I'm getting at is this is the kind of situation that really does take your nobodies and make them into somebodies.

00:14:50.000 So it could be that this is an opportunity for them.

00:14:53.000 Now, I mean, I could be totally wrong about the individuals.

00:14:56.000 And this really does depend on the individuals in question. 0.51

00:15:00.000 Like if none of them are, if they're just, you know, run-of-the-mill, you know, clowns, then they're not going to be able to capitalize on this.

00:15:05.000 But this kind of attention could make a star out of them, especially if they're perceived as someone that's taking it to Donald Trump.

00:15:14.000 Because that's the whole point of this, right?

00:15:16.000 The whole point of this is: look at us.

00:15:19.000 We're not letting Donald Trump destroy democracy for the 75,000th time, right?

00:15:24.000 Like it's always about they're destroying democracy.

00:15:26.000 They're going to destroy our democracy, et cetera.

00:15:29.000 But, you know, this is not going to make a mess.

00:15:32.000 There's going to be, I think I heard them, I think I heard the governor talking that there would be four new districts they're talking about.

00:15:41.000 One of them would be, they would all be likely predominantly Republican.

00:15:47.000 One would be predominantly black and one would be predominantly Hispanic, though they would be Republican still.

00:15:54.000 So it's not like the Democrats really can go with their normal catchphrases or what have you.

00:16:00.000 Like they're, oh, this is about racism, et cetera.

00:16:03.000 It's like, well, not really.

00:16:04.000 If you've got a mostly black and a mostly Hispanic, you know, this isn't about racism.

00:16:09.000 This is about, you know, representation.

00:16:12.000 You know, does that make a difference?

00:16:16.000 I don't, I mean, I don't know.

00:16:17.000 Like, I think this story is really very much so like for the insiders and the people that are paying attention, the kind of the smaller percentage of people out there.

00:16:25.000 Like if you ask somebody on the street, do they care about this?

00:16:28.000 Probably not.

00:16:28.000 I think once, you know, their absence starts affecting people in Texas, like if there aren't social programs that people are relying on or whatever the case is, you know, if that starts falling through, then I think people would be like, you know, start getting outraged, but I don't know.

00:16:43.000 Kind of like what Raymond said a lot of theater.

00:16:45.000 And Jasmine Crockett, she's probably going to lose her seat. 1.00

00:16:48.000 That's good too.

00:16:48.000 Yeah, that's hilarious.

00:16:50.000 I think that now, Jasmine Crockett, that's someone that I think is politically talented.

00:16:56.000 Again, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to wig out that I'm saying, but she gets attention.

00:17:01.000 And that's what people are kind of neglecting.

00:17:05.000 I've had arguments with people around this table before about like AOC's political talent. 0.99

00:17:10.000 And someone's like, oh, she's just dumb and never blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:17:14.000 And that is a terrible, terrible perspective to take because whether or not she is someone that you politically agree with or someone that you find charismatic, she is charismatic. 0.99

00:17:26.000 And she can definitely get people's attention. 1.00

00:17:30.000 People rally behind her and feel very strongly.

00:17:33.000 And she gets people like heated and she gets people to vote and be passionate about these things.

00:17:38.000 When you were living in New York, were you in her district?

00:17:41.000 I was.

00:17:41.000 And I did like her and I did vote for her.

00:17:41.000 Okay.

00:17:44.000 So it's a hot take.

00:17:46.000 That's a spicy thing.

00:17:47.000 What did you like about her?

00:17:49.000 I mean, I feel like she was really well-spoken and, like you said, charismatic.

00:17:53.000 And like, I just, I think I tend to believe everything that she was saying easily.

00:17:58.000 And so I think, you know, with My experience and kind of evolving, I'm more willing to really like, you know, do some more research and like, you know, and ask more questions.

00:18:09.000 But she definitely had that quality or has that quality about her where, you know, where now I'm like, oh, okay, once I see the other side and I'm able to have conversations with people more.

00:18:18.000 But I think, yeah, she.

00:18:20.000 Did you feel the same way when the issue with the Amazon warehouse was going down?

00:18:25.000 She prevented the Amazon warehouse from being built in the district.

00:18:29.000 Do you remember that?

00:18:30.000 I do kind of remember.

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:33.000 And that didn't, did that have, did that color your opinion of her when that happened, or was it something that really I don't remember that specifically being something that I, yeah, I was super involved in at the time.

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 Okay.

00:18:46.000 The reason I wonder is because that's the kind of thing that would turn a lot of people off if they, if it, when it's that type of thing that if it touches their lives, if it's like, you know, this really, I was really hoping for a job or something like that.

00:18:59.000 I was, you know, I've been looking for work and et cetera.

00:19:02.000 And the scuttlebutt going around was she's not in her district enough. 1.00

00:19:06.000 She's always on the internet and she's always in DC and she's more concerned with being an influencer. 0.51

00:19:11.000 So that's why I brought it up.

00:19:13.000 I was wondering if it affected it wasn't personal to me, but I definitely get that.

00:19:17.000 I think people would.

00:19:18.000 Do you still identify as a Democrat?

00:19:20.000 All right, we got one, boy.

00:19:20.000 I do.

00:19:23.000 I do, I do.

00:19:24.000 But I see myself, you know, you were saying like kind of more of like a classic, like old school, modern liberal, a little more like left of center.

00:19:33.000 Do you see this as like action, like what these Texas Democrats are doing?

00:19:37.000 Do you see this as like something that the Democrats get behind?

00:19:40.000 Or do you think that's, I think what I was saying is like me personally, I don't, I see it as more of like, you know, a bad look.

00:19:49.000 Like I don't, it's not something I would rally behind personally.

00:19:54.000 And I, I, I don't know.

00:19:55.000 I just, I think with the Democratic Party in general, right now people are asking a lot of questions.

00:20:00.000 And, you know, can you unpack that a little bit?

00:20:03.000 You said, to your, you know, progressive or Democrat friends, what are the, what are the things that they say to you about the Democrat Party and about like your kind of evolution away from the more progressive side of the Democrats?

00:20:16.000 Well, I'm definitely getting pushback from people on the left, like the more progressive.

00:20:21.000 Like, you know, I'm seeing a difference where it's just getting very extreme, like more woke.

00:20:27.000 And so by being more woke today still.

00:20:30.000 Yeah.

00:20:31.000 Okay, that's what I was saying yesterday.

00:20:32.000 They view it as punk rock.

00:20:34.000 They really do.

00:20:34.000 Yeah.

00:20:35.000 But go ahead, please.

00:20:36.000 Yeah.

00:20:37.000 So, you know, I'm getting a lot of pushback.

00:20:39.000 I'm getting canceled by a lot of people that, you know, I was previously like having, you know, we were working together in the Democratic Party.

00:20:47.000 And over the past several years, you know, since this most recent election, it's, I'm, you know, getting canceled for asking questions or not just like subscribing to this sort, you know, the bullet points and the, and I just find it super, you know, being called a Nazi and a fascist.

00:21:04.000 Like vandalizing Teslas is a crime.

00:21:09.000 Like, you know, and not like just agree.

00:21:12.000 So by not agreeing and asking those questions, I have a lot of people calling me a Nazi and fascist.

00:21:18.000 Yeah, I went through, I've gone through four tires because of nails being left around my Tesla in the past in the past month.

00:21:25.000 And I don't agree with that.

00:21:27.000 Like, how are, how are we doing any good by doing?

00:21:30.000 I'm sorry, Phil.

00:21:30.000 I don't think that's.

00:21:31.000 I thought you were someone else.

00:21:33.000 Be careful.

00:21:34.000 You don't want to do that stuff.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, you're on camera.

00:21:37.000 But I appreciate that.

00:21:39.000 When you said something, though, you said canceled.

00:21:42.000 When you say canceled, what do you mean?

00:21:44.000 Because colloquially canceled has meant lose a job, friends stop talking to you, possibly stop talking to you, and you find out about it because they make a big long social media post about how you're a terrible person, which has happened to me.

00:22:00.000 I mean, it's been a long time since that stuff has happened to me because I've been fairly open about my opinions for a long, long time.

00:22:07.000 But it was a new thing in 2013, 14, 15.

00:22:11.000 And that was fairly shocking to me.

00:22:13.000 People that I thought that I'd been friends with, that I'd grown up with, that I had heard say some of the most offensive, terrible jokes.

00:22:21.000 And then they come out and say, oh, he's this terrible person for saying something that is night and day from what the things that I'd heard them say.

00:22:30.000 But what do you mean?

00:22:32.000 That's hard, right?

00:22:33.000 It's hard to wrap your head around a lot of that stuff.

00:22:33.000 That's hard.

00:22:36.000 I think, yeah, with a lot of over the past several years, you know, with politics, Facebook, whatever.

00:22:43.000 So some of it is real, like real life family members and friends coming at you and, you know, being nasty and name-calling and things.

00:22:52.000 But it's a lot.

00:22:53.000 I mean, I do a lot on Twitter, a lot on X, and the comments are really ugly and really nasty.

00:22:59.000 There's a lot of blockings.

00:23:01.000 There's a lot of, I followed you, and just a lot of name-calling, a lot of nastiness, which I'm not behind.

00:23:09.000 It's like, if you disagree with me, let's have a conversation.

00:23:12.000 Tell me why.

00:23:14.000 It's okay to disagree, but you can't.

00:23:17.000 You just, I mean, so that's kind of what I mean: blockings and name-calling, nasty comments, just a lot of people who are very vocal about talking to the internet.

00:23:25.000 Yeah.

00:23:26.000 It's funny that Democrats are trying to cancel you, but the conservatives think it's all a bit.

00:23:30.000 They think like what you're doing is fake.

00:23:32.000 We're talking about that a little bit before.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, I'm a conservative psyop.

00:23:36.000 But there's, but it actually has been really nice.

00:23:39.000 So I've gotten a lot of like positive responses from conservatives.

00:23:43.000 Oh, that's on the right too.

00:23:44.000 Like, they're kind of coming around and being like, oh, I thought I hated you and I thought this narrative, this thing about you.

00:23:51.000 Your rage baits were absolutely, I mean, and they really were absolutely perfect.

00:23:58.000 The way that you would post things and stuff, especially and especially when you were really going for it, trying to upset conservatives.

00:24:05.000 I was like, this chick has, she knows exactly what to do. 1.00

00:24:10.000 And when I remember when I saw you hanging out with, it was Ashley Sinclair, I think it was the first time.

00:24:15.000 And I was like, is this real?

00:24:16.000 And then I was like, well, now, has the whole thing been a bit?

00:24:20.000 Because I knew that it was rage bait.

00:24:22.000 Like, I knew the point of it was that you were trying to get a reaction out of people.

00:24:26.000 But I was like, there's no way that she's that good at it.

00:24:29.000 Has it all been a bit?

00:24:31.000 So how much of it was a bit like, I mean, obviously you are a Democrat.

00:24:34.000 I am.

00:24:35.000 But you just knew how to get a rise out of people.

00:24:38.000 We were talking about this earlier.

00:24:40.000 Like, I am a Democrat.

00:24:41.000 I am a liberal.

00:24:42.000 But I, you know, I think there's extremes on both sides.

00:24:46.000 And so, you know, sort of trolling, you know, a bit there, but there is an authenticity and genuineness about it too, but just sort of like calling out and trolling extremes and like having fun with it too.

00:24:58.000 Yeah, when you're like walking down the streets of New York, like strolling your stuff and like, I'm 40 and I'm ready for a baby, but I'm not going to have them because I'm free.

00:25:06.000 Like, you know, that's that's kind of different.

00:25:08.000 It's like I was doing 42 child-free.

00:25:11.000 You were also talking about that because you were talking about kids.

00:25:14.000 And I feel strongly about like people should be able to do whatever they want to do.

00:25:18.000 Like, I don't think people should, you know, your life is meaningless if you don't have children.

00:25:23.000 And I think those videos, people got so angry.

00:25:26.000 Oh, is the chat lighting up right now?

00:25:26.000 Yeah, I bet.

00:25:28.000 Is the chat lighting up?

00:25:29.000 I don't know.

00:25:30.000 Like, as a bold lib, what are the issues you care about?

00:25:34.000 Is it abortion? 0.99

00:25:35.000 I'm guessing is like top of the list.

00:25:37.000 For me, like, coming from a mental health background, my stuff is very much like humanity.

00:25:41.000 Like, you know, things that affect human lives, quality of life, mental health related, like that kind of stuff.

00:25:49.000 But I do, yeah, but women's rights is also important to me. 1.00

00:25:53.000 What about women's lefts? 0.65

00:25:54.000 That too.

00:25:55.000 All of the rights and the lefts.

00:25:58.000 Okay.

00:25:59.000 So what I'm trying to understand, like Democrats, they deal with mental health issues very well, you think?

00:26:04.000 Or like, is there something in particular?

00:26:08.000 I mean, I'm not sure what you mean. 0.97

00:26:10.000 Are you saying that Democrats are mentally challenged? 0.94

00:26:12.000 Is that what you're saying? 0.80

00:26:13.000 No, like the Democrat issues that you care about.

00:26:16.000 And you were like, yeah, the mental health stuff.

00:26:18.000 Well, it's not necessarily a Democrat issue.

00:26:20.000 Like, that's why I'm more about bridging, like bringing people together.

00:26:24.000 Like, right now, you know, I feel like I'm at least now, like, in this phase of like, we have more in common and trying to bring people together and we're all human and finding that sort of common ground is where I'm at right now.

00:26:37.000 And does that mean you don't have like a bleeding hatred for the president?

00:26:41.000 Right.

00:26:42.000 No, correct.

00:26:43.000 And that's, I would say that's different.

00:26:44.000 Like, I would say that I, that's part of my evolution.

00:26:48.000 I think that we all should hopefully grow and evolve.

00:26:52.000 And I can definitely say, like, I have said some bad thing, you know, that I don't take it back.

00:26:57.000 That's where I was then.

00:26:59.000 And I feel like who I am today is different.

00:27:02.000 And I feel like I'm learning.

00:27:03.000 And that's why I'm here and why I want to like have more conversations and be like open.

00:27:09.000 So, do you feel like you had a looking back now, right?

00:27:14.000 To when you were more in the, I guess, liberal bubble.

00:27:19.000 Do you feel like you were in a first of all?

00:27:20.000 Do you feel like you were in a liberal bubble?

00:27:22.000 And second of all, do you feel like you understand conservatives now better now after kind of coming out and making light of some of the more progressive ideas and also spending time with conservatives?

00:27:35.000 Did you used to think that conservatives were a different kind of person, or is it something that you kind of like always were like, no, we're all kind of actually just having different opinions and come from different places?

00:27:46.000 Yeah, I don't, I think that it's, I think that I can see the differences.

00:27:53.000 Like, I feel like I might have lumped people all, which is not like me.

00:27:57.000 So I'm able to see that more clearly.

00:27:59.000 It's very normal and very human.

00:28:00.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:28:01.000 We will, I think we have a tendency to want to put people into boxes, right?

00:28:06.000 Which I'm actually very, and I say this now, and it's part of my bio.

00:28:10.000 I'm anti-label and anti-box.

00:28:11.000 So it's more in line with who I am.

00:28:13.000 But yeah, I don't think I realized now I have a better understanding.

00:28:18.000 And I think getting to know people and their stories.

00:28:21.000 Like, so I do interviews on X where, and I'm interviewing a lot of conservative people, Jay Sixers, et cetera.

00:28:28.000 And so I would have thought the same thing, right, about that entire group of people.

00:28:32.000 But like hearing their stories, you hear a whole other perspective, and not everyone's situation and where they were at that day is the same.

00:28:40.000 So I think that's so important.

00:28:41.000 And that's something I want to do with my podcast: really the storytelling piece and getting to know people's backgrounds so that we don't lump people and just make assumptions.

00:28:50.000 But I also think like the 90s liberals are in a tough spot.

00:28:53.000 Like the Conservative Party today versus the Liberal Party, like go back to the 90s, they're completely inverse.

00:29:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:01.000 Like the conservatives in the 90s were very much pro-censorship.

00:29:04.000 Like, you know, like a lot of, you know, very Christian.

00:29:08.000 Remember, the PMRC was Al Gore's wife.

00:29:11.000 The PMRC.

00:29:11.000 Who's that?

00:29:12.000 PMRC.

00:29:14.000 I forget what the acronym meant, but it was looking to censor music.

00:29:14.000 Explain.

00:29:19.000 Oh, okay.

00:29:20.000 Oh, at the albums, the explicit album, the label.

00:29:25.000 Evas and Butthead, though, I think that was the conservatives, right?

00:29:28.000 They went after Eminem.

00:29:28.000 Like that's.

00:29:29.000 Yeah, they went.

00:29:30.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:29:31.000 No, this is much further back.

00:29:33.000 Al Gore's wife.

00:29:34.000 This is in the 80s.

00:29:35.000 This is when, because the label on offensive records or whatever, that wasn't in the late 90s.

00:29:41.000 That was in the early, late 80s, early 90s.

00:29:43.000 It was when D. Snyder went before Congress and actually was talking to Congress.

00:29:49.000 And it was Al Gore's wife who was the leader of the PMRC.

00:29:53.000 So I do agree, you know, Republicans and conservatives have that stigma because of the fact that that's where the Christian conservatives were, but it wasn't just Republicans.

00:30:04.000 And I, you know, point the Al Gore's wife. 0.86

00:30:07.000 Sure, but the left was seen as the free speech party, the live and let live, the pro, you know, same-sex marriages.

00:30:13.000 Like it was down with the machine, taking down the government.

00:30:16.000 Yeah, in the 90s, yeah.

00:30:17.000 And I think the PMRC is the same thing.

00:30:18.000 Now that's the right.

00:30:20.000 Except for the gay marriage part. 0.91

00:30:21.000 I think the PMRC was actually earlier, because Hook and Mouth by Megadeth references the PMRC, and that was on the, I think it was So Far So Good So What album.

00:30:32.000 Anyways, either way.

00:30:33.000 I remember it was a big deal when they put those big labels on.

00:30:36.000 Mid-80s, but it was a big deal.

00:30:37.000 It was a big deal.

00:30:38.000 And that was, again, that was... 0.99

00:30:38.000 And Beavis and Byad got censored because they were saying fire because some dumb kid burned down his house. 0.99

00:30:43.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:30:43.000 They were saying fire, so they couldn't say fire anymore. 0.97

00:30:46.000 And then remember when the movie came out, they said fire like a thousand times.

00:30:49.000 And all the people that were looking to censor video games.

00:30:53.000 Yeah, video games.

00:30:54.000 Violent.

00:30:55.000 Conservatives.

00:30:55.000 It was.

00:30:56.000 Yeah, it was largely...

00:30:59.000 I feel like it was largely accredited to conservatives, but I do feel like it was actually more bipartisan than people remember.

00:31:05.000 And I think that that's because of the fact that it was oftentimes led by the Christian conservatives.

00:31:11.000 Yes.

00:31:11.000 And that's what people remember is the people that were the Bible thumpers that were saying this is against God.

00:31:18.000 Book burning.

00:31:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:19.000 Going after Marilyn Manson.

00:31:20.000 Edel.

00:31:21.000 Going after, you know, heavy metal bands there were there were the people that were going after judas priest because they swore up and down that there were backwards messages in the songs yeah yeah yeah judas Priest had to go to court.

00:31:31.000 But it's just wild.

00:31:32.000 Like, that's what I'm saying.

00:31:33.000 Like, a lot of, I think a lot of 90s liberals are homeless because of that.

00:31:37.000 Well, I think a lot of 90s liberals are MAGA.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, and now they are.

00:31:40.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:31:41.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:31:42.000 That's why I'm wearing red.

00:31:42.000 Your hat's going to be a little bit more.

00:31:45.000 Turn the new leaf.

00:31:46.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 All right.

00:31:47.000 So I think we're going to jump to this next story now.

00:31:51.000 From the Wall Street Journal, Putin tells U.S. he'll halt the war in exchange for eastern Ukraine.

00:31:59.000 Let's see.

00:32:00.000 Russian President Vladimir Putin presented the Trump administration this week with a sweeping proposal for a ceasefire in Ukraine, demanding major territorial concessions by Kiev and a push for global recognition of its claims in exchange for a halt to the fighting, according to European and Ukrainian officials.

00:32:16.000 President Trump said Friday he would meet with Putin in Alaska on August 15th following Putin's proposal.

00:32:21.000 He didn't provide additional information about the meeting or the exact location.

00:32:25.000 The Kremlin didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

00:32:29.000 European officials expressed serious reservations about Putin's proposals, which would require that Ukraine hand over eastern Ukraine, a region known as the Donbass, without Russia committing to much other than stopping fighting.

00:32:42.000 The offer which Putin conveyed Wednesday to U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in Moscow set off a diplomatic scramble to get further clarity on details of the proposal.

00:32:51.000 This is something that most people that have been watching the war in Ukraine kind of figured was going to happen.

00:32:59.000 So I don't know that Putin, well, the news isn't really the actual news.

00:33:05.000 It's Putin saying, you know, making the remark that's actually the news.

00:33:09.000 But this is something that, you know, there's always been the assumption, or at least since Putin's advance was stopped.

00:33:17.000 The assumption was he was going to take the Donbass.

00:33:20.000 He was going to take the places that are predominantly Russian speaking.

00:33:24.000 And he was going to say, okay, this is where I'll stop.

00:33:27.000 Because no one at all ever thought that Crimea was going back.

00:33:31.000 Ever since 200, whatever, 12 or 13, when he actually invaded Crimea into Crimea, everyone has kind of been like, well, I guess Crimea is part of Russia now.

00:33:39.000 And there are people that are like, no, especially those fellas on X. They love to say, no, we're going to kick Putin out of Crimea.

00:33:47.000 And it's like, man, that ain't happening. 0.99

00:33:48.000 Like, you're just, you're a clown if you think that. 0.98

00:33:51.000 What are you going to do? 0.99

00:33:52.000 Like, how are you going to get him out?

00:33:53.000 I mean, is the U.S. going to actually put troops in there?

00:33:55.000 That's not going to happen.

00:33:56.000 It was never going to happen.

00:33:58.000 So this is like, this is probably a best case scenario.

00:34:02.000 And it's also what kind of people really thought was going to be the end game anyways.

00:34:08.000 But if I understand correctly, some of the details that Putin wants is like, there will be no UN or Ukraine will not enter into the UN.

00:34:17.000 There will be no Western forces in Ukraine, which just kind of means that Putin's going to be like, all right, we'll stop fighting now until I feel like it again.

00:34:27.000 So I mean, is it $80 billion well spent?

00:34:27.000 Right.

00:34:30.000 I mean, I guess, Angela, from your standpoint as a Democrat, like, I don't understand why the whole pro-Ukraine thing started.

00:34:38.000 I really have no idea where that came from.

00:34:40.000 All of a sudden, it was like, you're on one side or the other.

00:34:43.000 It didn't make a lot of sense.

00:34:44.000 Like, from your standpoint as a Democrat, like, why do you guys love Ukraine?

00:34:48.000 I don't know.

00:34:49.000 This is not an, like, I'm not versed in this at all.

00:34:52.000 Okay.

00:34:53.000 I haven't been heading to the bank.

00:34:54.000 In your circles, did they have like the flags and their profiles and stuff?

00:34:58.000 Why?

00:34:58.000 Some.

00:34:59.000 Yeah.

00:34:59.000 It's easy to answer.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:01.000 It's easy to answer because it's Russia.

00:35:02.000 It's Trump and Russia, the Russia gate.

00:35:05.000 Anything against Russia, Russia does, they're going to hate their whole offense. 0.75

00:35:09.000 The Democratic Party side is going to hate, even no matter what, to do something good, do something bad.

00:35:13.000 That's why day one, they instantly put their flags in their bio because it's Russia and they're told to hate Russia because of Russia Gate.

00:35:20.000 Because Russia helped.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, because Russia helped Donald Trump steal the elections.

00:35:24.000 So if you facts.

00:35:26.000 If you are against Donald Trump, he's allied with Russia because he's a Putin puppet.

00:35:33.000 Right.

00:35:34.000 Which is, I mean, it's, I mean, it's not based in any kind of reality, but that's the narrative that the left is.

00:35:40.000 I think that is the narrative.

00:35:41.000 Yeah.

00:35:42.000 Yeah.

00:35:42.000 So, I mean, a lot, what do you feel is the proper course of action?

00:35:48.000 Do you think that this is what was always going to be the situation?

00:35:51.000 Do you think that we, I mean, I don't think we can trust Russia personally, but what do you think?

00:35:56.000 So for President Putin, I think the Ukraine war is legacy-defining.

00:36:01.000 He wants to take a bigger chomp out of Ukraine that he's been able to. 1.00

00:36:05.000 In the initial assault, he almost split Ukraine in half when he sent that long convoy to Kyiv.

00:36:11.000 I don't know if you guys recall, but they definitely want a lot more territorial gains than this.

00:36:16.000 And I don't think at the negotiating table is the way that Putin will be able to achieve this.

00:36:20.000 Ukraine will not give up half their country without a fight, considering how much I think they've already fought for the eastern parts of Ukraine.

00:36:27.000 And from Putin's strategy, if you guys have been paying attention, President Trump has been giving this guy a ton of different deadlines that he repeatedly just has to push back because Putin doesn't want to negotiate.

00:36:36.000 He's leading Trump on.

00:36:38.000 And I think President Trump actually knows that he's leading him on, and he just needs to allow him to do so because Trump needs to bite for more time because there's no serious solution to this that it doesn't take a large amount of political capital that I don't think the president wants to expend right now in Russia.

00:36:55.000 The administration right now has been trying to pivot to the Pacific.

00:36:58.000 That's been like that's actually been the government's direction pretty much since Obama's pivot to the Pacific.

00:37:04.000 And right now, a lot of people pivot to the Pacific, you're talking about China.

00:37:10.000 China.

00:37:10.000 So there's a lot of people in the administration who like generally talk about that issue as a top issue.

00:37:17.000 Eldridge Colby is this one of the top guys in the DOJ or in the military, I believe.

00:37:24.000 And then there's also Pete Hexeth, who's been known to talk about the Pacific a lot.

00:37:28.000 And they don't want to get bogged down in Russia and the type of investment that it would require to militarily remove Putin from Ukraine or stop him from advancing would be a lot.

00:37:40.000 And it would be a kind of sinking of our treasury, our military treasure in Ukraine.

00:37:45.000 So I think he's trying to balance all of this out.

00:37:48.000 I do think it's also worth mentioning that president promised, I think it was originally on day one, that he would end the war in Russia and Ukraine.

00:37:55.000 And he was unable to do so.

00:37:57.000 He's been very successful in different parts of the world.

00:38:00.000 Like I believe he's been very successful in the Middle East, despite people freaking out all the time about what he was doing here.

00:38:05.000 But he campaigned on, I believe, reducing or no way to Ukraine.

00:38:10.000 And that's where the base seemed.

00:38:11.000 But otherwise, I don't know why people wouldn't start calling President Trump a neocon once more because he did allow a ton of arms to flow to Ukraine.

00:38:20.000 Despite NATO paying for it, we're still sending a bunch of arms that Ukraine wouldn't be able to procure otherwise.

00:38:27.000 I furcy us being much more involved, though, militarily, once there isn't a diplomatic solution to this.

00:38:33.000 Putin, again, is just leading the president on more and more.

00:38:36.000 We're seeing secondary sanctions on India that aren't panning out exactly as the way that we planned.

00:38:41.000 We were trying to sanction Russian oil.

00:38:43.000 There's so many different elements to what's going on here.

00:38:45.000 Well, I mean, for sanctions to work, we need good partners, and good and Europe has not been a good partner anymore.

00:38:49.000 Nor have the Indians. 1.00

00:38:50.000 They've been really screwing us over on immigration fraud. 0.94

00:38:53.000 They've been screwing us over on global trade.

00:38:56.000 They've been screwing us over on call centers.

00:38:58.000 The Twitter.

00:38:59.000 The fact that, you know, Europe has been buying Russian oil for essentially the entirety of the Russian war in Ukraine.

00:39:08.000 I think they've dramatically reduced.

00:39:09.000 I think the main buyers right now are China, India, and a couple of other small countries.

00:39:14.000 And look, I do and don't blame India because from their argument, the way they see it is that, hey, we're a bunch of poor Indians and I have over a billion Indians who need cheap access to cheap oil and cheap oil from Russia.

00:39:27.000 Literally burning dung is the option.

00:39:29.000 Exactly.

00:39:30.000 So like, you know, we're telling them to live in squalor and not buy cheap Russian oil.

00:39:37.000 But they are, in a sense, also, you know, paying for the Russian economy to run and it's a wartime economy and they're just producing arms to attack Ukraine.

00:39:48.000 I think we should keep our eyes on China.

00:39:49.000 So it's your sense.

00:39:50.000 I'm a big China guy.

00:39:51.000 I care about Ukraine.

00:39:52.000 I think we should send more arms and money to Ukraine, but our real eyes need to be on.

00:39:56.000 So it's your sense that there will be no meeting with President Putin?

00:40:00.000 Well, there will be a meeting, but I don't think anything fruitful will come out of it.

00:40:03.000 So even if the United States were to say, okay, we've convinced Kiev to your terms, right?

00:40:12.000 You can't.

00:40:13.000 I think it's like a maximalist ask from Putin.

00:40:17.000 Zelensky can't even come to the table. 0.57

00:40:18.000 This is an insulting offer.

00:40:20.000 Like, think of it from a Ukrainian perspective.

00:40:22.000 How many lives you've just lost?

00:40:23.000 But does Ukraine Ukraine have the ability to say no?

00:40:28.000 I mean, I know that it's an insulting Offer.

00:40:30.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:40:31.000 But if the president says, look, you need to go and talk to him, you need to be here, or whatever the conditions are.

00:40:39.000 I don't know what the White House thinks that the Ukrainian president is going to do.

00:40:43.000 But if the White House, hypothetically, if the White House were to say, hey, you need to sit down and talk because you're losing 5,000 people a week or whatever, and we want this to stop, and you don't have the human capital to continue this, and NATO's not coming in.

00:40:59.000 Can he say no?

00:41:00.000 Can Zelensky say no, Mr. President?

00:41:02.000 I'm not going to.

00:41:03.000 I think this goes beyond Zelensky.

00:41:05.000 I think this goes to the Ukrainian people.

00:41:07.000 Ukraine is still a democracy right now, and Ukrainians feel this way.

00:41:10.000 And Zelensky is just representing them.

00:41:13.000 Ukrainians want to fight for their country.

00:41:15.000 And I think even if we stopped helping them, even with just Europeans' help, they would keep fighting against the Russians. 0.69

00:41:21.000 These guys don't want to let their country fall.

00:41:22.000 They've been under Soviet rule in the past, and I think their fight back is righteous.

00:41:26.000 And they've actually been doing an extremely effective job at it.

00:41:29.000 Also, at this point, I think it's worth noting.

00:41:31.000 Russia is a much bigger country, but they're losing a lot more men because they're on the offensive.

00:41:34.000 And when you're on the offensive in war, you have to give up like a three to one ratio.

00:41:39.000 It's a lot harder to attack and conquer than it is.

00:41:42.000 Three is correct when it comes to like a position, but still.

00:41:46.000 Russia doesn't have endless stockpiles of weapons.

00:41:51.000 They got some pretty big weapons, though.

00:41:53.000 I'm like, I don't think that's pretty big.

00:41:56.000 If I'm a Russian, if I'm putting on my Russian neocon hat, I'm actually not.

00:41:59.000 I'm like very sad and not impressed at all with my military gains on Ukraine.

00:42:04.000 We're not able to subjugate Ukraine at all, actually.

00:42:07.000 If I'm a Russian military man, I'm like, embarrassed by the gains that we've made.

00:42:12.000 And they should have been able to end this in the first few weeks.

00:42:14.000 That was Putin's original plan, but that's what he wanted to do.

00:42:16.000 Do you realize, I mean, Russia's not sending their best stuff.

00:42:19.000 I mean, just so we're clear.

00:42:21.000 And that's, I think you are right.

00:42:23.000 I think Trump is in a position here because this whole thing was no new war.

00:42:27.000 They're not sending their best stuff.

00:42:28.000 Is Russia trying their hardest to take over Ukraine right now?

00:42:31.000 Yes.

00:42:32.000 I'm just telling you, you know, we know for decades what kind of weapons they have, you know, and that's where it gets really scary.

00:42:32.000 I have no idea.

00:42:39.000 You know, you go back 20, 30 years, a nuclear war was a big fear for a lot of people, even in our country.

00:42:45.000 I mean, Phil knows, you know, we used to do drills for that stuff.

00:42:48.000 But the point I'm making is, you know, with Trump, the position he's in, like he, the whole no new wars, and we got to end these wars, like he's in a tough position here, too, you know, because the American people don't want these wars.

00:43:02.000 We don't support these wars, you know.

00:43:04.000 I don't think that the U.S., I think the American people don't support sending money.

00:43:11.000 Well, definitely not Americans.

00:43:12.000 I do think that if the, I think that to a lot's point earlier about where the money is coming from to pay for the arms, I think if you can sell the American people on Europe is paying American weapons manufacturers to manufacture weapons and those are the weapons that are going to Ukraine, I think you could sell the American people on that.

00:43:34.000 I don't know.

00:43:35.000 Trump was brought in under the banner of we got to end these wars, these forever wars.

00:43:40.000 A lot of that was because of the financial aspect, right?

00:43:44.000 Because the American people aren't doing the dying.

00:43:47.000 Yes.

00:43:48.000 Well, okay, so now that's a whole different context that you're adding to it.

00:43:51.000 So that's not what I'm talking about.

00:43:52.000 But the American people aren't doing the dying, right?

00:43:56.000 The financing has been the problem.

00:43:59.000 People are like, look, man, I can't even buy a house and we're spending all this money over in Russia or over in Ukraine trying to save Ukraine.

00:44:05.000 I can't afford groceries, but we're spending all this money over in Ukraine.

00:44:09.000 It was a financial argument that the American people were most compelled by.

00:44:14.000 So if you can convince the American people, like, look, not only are we not paying for these weapons, but we have Russia or we have Europe paying for these weapons and they're being made in America.

00:44:27.000 That means there are American jobs that are being made.

00:44:31.000 The money's going into American pockets to American people that work at these weapons manufacturers.

00:44:38.000 And we're also putting a hurt onto our geopolitical enemies because Russia is a geopolitical enemy.

00:44:45.000 Don't forget, just a couple years back, there were Russians, the Wagner group was fighting with Americans in Syria.

00:44:51.000 Like there's a couple pretty famous engagements where U.S. special forces were fighting with Russian PMCs.

00:44:59.000 And Americans, or at least Americans that pay attention, remember that.

00:45:03.000 And they still look at Russia as an enemy.

00:45:05.000 So I think that the American people could be sold on that if just so long as it's not Americans that are paying for it.

00:45:14.000 I mean, maybe.

00:45:15.000 Like, I understand what you're saying.

00:45:16.000 Like, it depends on which Americans you're asking, Nancy Pelosi, people that work at Lockheed Martin, sure.

00:45:22.000 No, I'm talking about people in the industry making money on it.

00:45:22.000 Yeah.

00:45:25.000 But I think, you know, the average person on the street, should we be in wars?

00:45:29.000 Do you support war?

00:45:30.000 Should we be helping Israel? 0.98

00:45:32.000 Should we be helping Ukraine?

00:45:34.000 I think, I mean, personally, like, just based on my conversations with people in my relationships, people don't want.

00:45:40.000 And that was a big thing Trump ran on.

00:45:42.000 No, end the forever wars, no new wars, end the forever wars.

00:45:46.000 So, Sean, I think it's really easy to say.

00:45:49.000 So, like, what does that look like if we're just ending all the new wars right now?

00:45:53.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:45:54.000 Leaving Ukraine, not sending any arms over to Ukraine, and then allowing them to take over as much of Ukraine as they'd like.

00:46:01.000 I mean, that's a great question.

00:46:03.000 If it were up to me, yeah.

00:46:05.000 I really, it's not our war.

00:46:07.000 It's not our fight.

00:46:08.000 You know, I get it. 0.99

00:46:09.000 I understand the point you're making, and it sucks.

00:46:12.000 Don't get me wrong, but like, why are we fighting it? 0.72

00:46:14.000 It was like Desert Storm.

00:46:16.000 It's like, why did we go into Iraq after 9-11?

00:46:16.000 I don't think we are fighting.

00:46:19.000 That made no sense.

00:46:19.000 Like, there's a lot of stuff that we get taken advantage of.

00:46:22.000 People in the military, I've had a lot of people, friends that were in the military, they love going to war because they get paid triple time.

00:46:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:30.000 So, yeah, there is like the economic standpoint of it, to Phil's point.

00:46:33.000 But no, I think most people just don't see the benefits of war and like why people need to die.

00:46:40.000 Yeah, I think we need to be pretty clear here.

00:46:42.000 We're not fighting this war.

00:46:44.000 The Ukrainians are fighting this war.

00:46:46.000 Ukrainians are dying. 1.00

00:46:48.000 We are not paying.

00:46:50.000 A death toll.

00:46:50.000 We are getting paid to send over weapons at this point.

00:46:54.000 And also, like, I mean, I feel like it's such an easy, basic take.

00:46:58.000 Like, yeah, war is bad, but war is happening.

00:47:00.000 And, like, what are you going to do about the war that is happening?

00:47:03.000 How are you going to respond to that?

00:47:04.000 Why is it our job?

00:47:05.000 Because appeasing war only begets more war.

00:47:08.000 Why is it our job?

00:47:09.000 Why is it America's job? 0.60

00:47:10.000 Well, like, we also have a country that can.

00:47:13.000 No, because we have a NATO allyship with a bunch of European countries.

00:47:16.000 So, like, what do you think our relationship with NATO should be?

00:47:19.000 The president thinks we should increase our defense spending to 5% to make sure that we're the preeminent power.

00:47:24.000 But you think we should what?

00:47:26.000 I mean, I'm just saying, like, Trump ran on no, ending the wars, ending forever wars, no new wars.

00:47:31.000 I mean, are you noticing this in the White House as the message changed?

00:47:34.000 You know, we have to start wars and we have to be involved in every war forever.

00:47:37.000 I mean, is that the messaging now?

00:47:39.000 No, I think you just read into the president what you want to hear.

00:47:41.000 I think the president ran on a lot of different things, like peace through strength, and he ran on Iran never being able to get a nuclear weapon.

00:47:46.000 I don't know if you were paying attention.

00:47:48.000 And he's done.

00:47:49.000 He was paying attention.

00:47:50.000 Yeah, so he's abided by a lot of those promises.

00:47:52.000 I'm still like up in the air as whether or not you're going to the White House.

00:47:55.000 So we'll sell it.

00:47:58.000 What are you talking about?

00:47:58.000 Let's bring Angela into the.

00:48:00.000 I don't know.

00:48:01.000 You must have not seen my recent scoops because it's a lot of people.

00:48:03.000 Angela, should we have a lot of wars?

00:48:04.000 Should we be in forever wars?

00:48:05.000 As a Democrat, should we be in Forever Wars?

00:48:07.000 I mean, I'm also not a war person, so I tend to agree with you, but I hear both of what you're saying.

00:48:13.000 I think it's complicated.

00:48:14.000 I don't have the answers, but I tend to not want to be in war.

00:48:18.000 And I definitely would ask, you know, have questions about why we're involved or, you know, was it the argument that Trump was making when he was campaigning?

00:48:28.000 Was that an argument based on economics?

00:48:31.000 Or do you think that it was an argument based on not being involved in war overall?

00:48:38.000 I don't know.

00:48:39.000 I don't know.

00:48:39.000 What do you guys think?

00:48:41.000 I'm not sure what his reasoning.

00:48:42.000 For me, like I said earlier, I think that it was an argument based on economics.

00:48:46.000 I think the American people got behind it because of the fact that it was an argument based on economics.

00:48:50.000 Most people were really hurting in the lead up to the election.

00:48:55.000 People couldn't pay their bills, grocery prices, and they were just like coming off the shock of significant inflation for multiple years.

00:49:03.000 And so they were just like, why are we giving these people money?

00:49:06.000 Why are we giving these people money? 0.50

00:49:08.000 Every time I heard an argument, it was a monetary argument.

00:49:11.000 It was a financial argument.

00:49:12.000 We shouldn't be spending money on these wars because we can't afford them.

00:49:16.000 Why are we giving money to Israel?

00:49:18.000 Why are we giving money to Ukraine?

00:49:20.000 Those are the two big things.

00:49:21.000 We shouldn't be spending our money on this, et cetera, et cetera.

00:49:24.000 So if the argument can be made, look, Europe's paying for this stuff.

00:49:29.000 Our NATO Allies are paying for this stuff.

00:49:31.000 They're sending us money.

00:49:32.000 They're sending money to our weapons manufacturers, and our weapons manufacturers are sending weapons to Ukraine so the Ukrainians can defend themselves.

00:49:41.000 I feel like that's an argument that the American people will say, all right, fine, I don't care.

00:49:46.000 Because I understand your perspective, Sean, that, you know, it's not our fight.

00:49:50.000 It's not a fight the United States wants to be in.

00:49:53.000 But the United States is not over there doing the dying.

00:49:56.000 We do not have troops on the ground.

00:49:58.000 I don't even believe the people that say that there's special forces on the ground.

00:50:01.000 Maybe there are CIA operatives, you know, human intel and stuff like that, gathering information, but there's not special ops guys.

00:50:08.000 Like those dudes are not there.

00:50:10.000 They're legitimately not.

00:50:11.000 Any Americans that are over there are over there as privateers. 0.99

00:50:14.000 They're volunteers.

00:50:15.000 They went and they joined up because they actually want to fight because, you know, whatever they like, war.

00:50:20.000 But that doesn't mean that the American people are doing the actual dying and that matters, right?

00:50:27.000 If you're not paying for it and Americans aren't dying, most Americans are like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to go to work then.

00:50:33.000 You know, you're going to be like, I don't care, whatever.

00:50:36.000 My friend's kid isn't going to lose his legs.

00:50:38.000 Right.

00:50:39.000 And I'm not going to have to pay the taxes that are going to this.

00:50:44.000 So what do I care?

00:50:45.000 Right.

00:50:46.000 But I mean, you know, and when 9-11 did happen and we did have boots on the ground in Iraq, a lot of sentiment around the country was, we don't, you know, why are we there?

00:50:56.000 Like, what's the point?

00:50:58.000 I feel like that didn't really start until like 2018.

00:51:00.000 I'm just saying, like, and that became the time.

00:51:03.000 And it was, it was honestly.

00:51:03.000 Yeah.

00:51:04.000 Because it was a ground up movement from the people who were like, we're sick of this.

00:51:07.000 Why are we in the same war constantly?

00:51:09.000 You know, like, we've been fighting with Russia for how long now?

00:51:11.000 Like, it's insane.

00:51:13.000 It's like gets it.

00:51:14.000 So wait a minute.

00:51:15.000 You're conflating topics.

00:51:17.000 We're not, we haven't.

00:51:18.000 I'm just saying war in general.

00:51:19.000 Like, we haven't been fighting with Russia.

00:51:21.000 Like, we have not been in combat.

00:51:23.000 But there always uses the boogeyman or whatever.

00:51:25.000 And it's just like, you know, people get kind of sick of the whole thing.

00:51:28.000 Russia.

00:51:29.000 I mean, I get it.

00:51:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:30.000 Like, all we can do is war.

00:51:32.000 It's like the Democrats.

00:51:33.000 It's like all they can do is war.

00:51:35.000 We're the most, when you're the most powerful military in the world, that's the thing that people are going to come to you and say, hey, we have this problem.

00:51:43.000 Your allies are going to come to you and say, hey, we have this problem and we want you to help us.

00:51:47.000 Like that, whether or not the American people get behind it, that is part of being the most powerful military in the world.

00:51:55.000 Now, world policing, I agree.

00:51:57.000 We shouldn't be the world police.

00:51:59.000 But I think that there's a difference between being the world police, right?

00:52:03.000 Taking the initiative to say that we're going to stop this and stop that, and then selecting which conflicts we're going to involve ourselves in.

00:52:13.000 That's one thing.

00:52:14.000 Sure.

00:52:14.000 As opposed to when someone else says, hey, come help us.

00:52:18.000 We're your ally, or we have good relations.

00:52:22.000 Maybe they're not NATO nations or whatever.

00:52:23.000 They're like, we are an allied nation.

00:52:25.000 We've had good relations.

00:52:26.000 We do a lot of economic work together.

00:52:28.000 We've got this issue, this military issue.

00:52:30.000 Can you come help us?

00:52:31.000 That's a different thing.

00:52:32.000 And I think that whereas most, I would probably say most Americans don't make the distinction, but as far as like Washington goes, there's definitely a distinction in that.

00:52:43.000 It's a business of war. 0.63

00:52:45.000 I mean, I think that that's, well, I mean, that's what happens when you've got the biggest military on earth.

00:52:49.000 War is part of the business. 0.94

00:52:51.000 It's part of the business of being the biggest military on earth and also having the reserve currency.

00:52:57.000 Bold lib, can I ask you, is war bad?

00:53:01.000 I mean, there's, you know, obviously there's reasons why, you know, people are fighting it.

00:53:09.000 Wow.

00:53:10.000 That's a good poll.

00:53:10.000 That's a good question for the chat, a poll chat.

00:53:13.000 Warhawk or...

00:53:17.000 Yeah.

00:53:17.000 It's a good question.

00:53:19.000 It's obviously it's complicated.

00:53:19.000 I know.

00:53:21.000 So there's not as, but I think I see people dying.

00:53:25.000 I mean, I don't, you know, that's the part I don't like about obviously people, you know, there's very strong reasons why people are doing it and putting their lives on the line.

00:53:35.000 So yeah, of course, it's a, yeah.

00:53:38.000 For a bold lip, I'm surprised you don't love Ukraine. 0.99

00:53:41.000 Bold libs love Ukraine. 1.00

00:53:43.000 So off-brand for you.

00:53:46.000 No, am I wrong?

00:53:47.000 No, I'm still pretty certain this is like a 70, 30, 80, 20 issue.

00:53:52.000 People are always asking those questions.

00:53:55.000 So.

00:53:56.000 All right.

00:53:56.000 So we're going to jump to the, we're going to at least talk a little bit more about Trump and Putin.

00:54:01.000 From Fox News, Trump Putin will hold first ever in-person meeting since Ukraine invasion next week in Alaska.

00:54:08.000 President Donald Trump and President and Russian President Vladimir Putin will meet next Friday, August 15th for the first person in for the first in-person meeting between the leaders of the U.S. and Russia since Moscow launched its deadly 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

00:54:21.000 The leaders are expected to meet in Alaska, Trump said in a post on Truth Social.

00:54:24.000 The highly anticipated meeting between myself as President of the United States of America and President Vladimir Putin of Russia will take place next Friday, August 15th, 2025, in the great state of Alaska.

00:54:35.000 Trump wrote in his Friday evening post.

00:54:38.000 Further details to follow.

00:54:40.000 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:54:41.000 I love the thank you for the attention to this matter.

00:54:43.000 It's my favorite Trumpism now.

00:54:45.000 The location of the meeting was a major point of interest after the summit was first floated following a call between Trump and Putin on Wednesday after White House envoy Steve Witkoff traveled to Moscow to meet with the Kremlin chief.

00:54:57.000 Hungary, Switzerland, Italy, and the UAE were all under consideration, with Putin originally favoring Hungary, according to sources familiar with the planning.

00:55:05.000 The Kremlin chief also shot down the idea of meeting in Italy, according to reports on Friday, due to Rome's perceived closeness with the Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky.

00:55:14.000 Following the Wednesday, Trump Putin called the U.S. president, also spoke with Zelensky along with European leaders on the potential for a trilateral meeting.

00:55:21.000 So I don't know how realistic a trilateral meeting would be, but I mean, again, to your point earlier, a lot, do you think that if Trump says, hey, Zelensky, get on a plane, do you think that he has the ability to say no?

00:55:36.000 I don't think Putin wants to meet with Zelensky because it gives him more credibility than I think Putin believes he deserves.

00:55:43.000 So he doesn't want to give him like a lot of respect to meet with him.

00:55:48.000 I think Putin and Trump are going to meet in Alaska and nothing's going to get done.

00:55:52.000 Like a bold lib at a bar, he's being let on.

00:55:55.000 But what do you think?

00:55:56.000 But what do you think?

00:55:57.000 What do you think would happen if Donald Trump were to say no?

00:56:00.000 Get on a plane, Zelensky. 0.99

00:56:01.000 Do you think Zelensky would?

00:56:03.000 I think Zelensky definitely would.

00:56:04.000 I think it makes Zelensky look like a more potent political figure if he's meeting with Putin.

00:56:09.000 Putin's never met with Zelensky.

00:56:11.000 The way Putin talks about Zelensky is like that he's a rogue state, that Ukraine, you know, is a completely rogue actor and he's a leader of an illegitimate state.

00:56:19.000 So if he meets with him, it's giving him like that credibility.

00:56:23.000 And so he, Zelensky wants to meet with Putin.

00:56:26.000 Putin doesn't want to meet with Zelensky.

00:56:28.000 Putin wants to waste Trump's time in this meeting and lead him on more.

00:56:33.000 And the war is going to go on because Putin wants definitely a bigger bite of Ukraine because they made baby gains, Russian military, very unimpressive gains in Ukraine.

00:56:44.000 Not crushing it.

00:56:45.000 I do think it would be based if Trump got Putin to admit that they wanted Hillary to win.

00:56:52.000 I think that would go viral.

00:56:53.000 If Trump gets Putin to admit that they actually wanted Hillary to win and not Trump the first time around.

00:56:58.000 Why would he bring that up when they're talking about warnings?

00:57:01.000 Do you think that will happen?

00:57:03.000 That would be fantastic.

00:57:05.000 It would just end everyone. 0.87

00:57:07.000 Everyone's brains would melt.

00:57:09.000 But that is what it kind of looked like: Russia did want Hillary, not Trump, the first time around.

00:57:14.000 Based on everything that's coming out with Tulsi and everything else.

00:57:18.000 Maybe.

00:57:19.000 Zelensky is a Trump.

00:57:21.000 Yes. 0.99

00:57:22.000 Zelensky is a chump? 0.99

00:57:23.000 Yes. 0.99

00:57:24.000 Oh, really?

00:57:24.000 I agree with a lot.

00:57:25.000 So, yeah, Putin's like, you know, he's one of the world leaders. 0.83

00:57:28.000 He might be a terrible person, but Zelensky is some dude who dances and he's for the worst corrupt country in the world. 0.92

00:57:36.000 Democratically elected. 0.84

00:57:37.000 Sure, they say they say.

00:57:39.000 You don't think he's kosher?

00:57:40.000 I don't think he's kosher.

00:57:43.000 I believe he was Democratic.

00:57:44.000 Yeah.

00:57:44.000 Zelensky?

00:57:44.000 I mean, we could dislike him, but.

00:57:46.000 Oh, fine.

00:57:47.000 Either way, but I don't think Putin thinks he stands up to him in any certain way.

00:57:50.000 No, I mean, I think that I think I agree with you guys.

00:57:54.000 I think that Vladimir Putin doesn't have any respect for Zelensky.

00:57:58.000 But I don't know that, I don't know, I think that Donald Trump does have the ability to say, look, you know, he's here.

00:58:08.000 Like, right?

00:58:09.000 Like, if he were to bring him in and surprise Putin.

00:58:12.000 Now, Putin might be like, all right, well, I'm leaving.

00:58:15.000 That might actually happen.

00:58:16.000 And I think that.

00:58:17.000 I think, well, yeah, I don't think.

00:58:19.000 Like Alex Stein, where he brings someone else on the show.

00:58:22.000 I mean, it's possible beefing.

00:58:23.000 It's possible.

00:58:24.000 I think that I honestly, like, if you really think about it, I don't think that Donald Trump would want to risk that because Putin would get up and be like, all right, well, I'm leaving.

00:58:32.000 It took a lot to get him here.

00:58:33.000 And so I don't think that he would want to risk it.

00:58:37.000 I mean, it would be funny, but I don't think that I don't think Donald Trump wants to risk that.

00:58:42.000 Trump's talked a lot of ish about getting this settled, and he's failed violently for the last forever since January.

00:58:50.000 In my opinion, it was a bad idea to talk about this as something that he could just walk in and make the deal.

00:58:57.000 Because Putin has all the cards.

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:59:01.000 Trump talks about who's got the cards and stuff.

00:59:04.000 There is absolutely no reason for Putin to say, okay, well, I'm going to stop then now.

00:59:10.000 Now that Trump's back, because I mean, the U.S. could threaten military involvement, but everyone knows where that leads.

00:59:17.000 And whether or not, you know, whether or not the U.S. would actually start down that road, nobody wants to come to those people.

00:59:26.000 You lose the favor.

00:59:27.000 Well, the American people, you know, well, Putin knows that the American people don't support that.

00:59:31.000 Right.

00:59:31.000 Like, we were just talking about how the American people are like, okay, well, if Americans aren't doing the dying and we're not paying for it, fine.

00:59:31.000 Right.

00:59:38.000 But the American people wouldn't be like, oh, you want to risk nuclear war so that way you can protect Ukraine, which I don't give an S about.

00:59:48.000 The American people just that would not fly. 0.98

00:59:51.000 Now, I do think that the U.S. has, I think that this is this particular engagement or this war has shown that Ukraine, or I'm sorry, Russia is kind of a paper tiger beyond their nuclear weapons, right? 0.62

01:00:05.000 Like if it were U.S. versus Russia without nuclear weapons, there is no question in my mind the United States would stomp an absolute mud hole in them, right? 0.62

01:00:16.000 Just absolutely decimate the Russians. 1.00

01:00:18.000 And I think the Russians know that.

01:00:20.000 And I think that the only thing that they're relying on their nuclear arsenal to prevent that from happening.

01:00:26.000 But that, but to Aladd's earlier point, I mean, that's if like China doesn't back them up.

01:00:32.000 Yeah, I'm only talking about a head-to-head kind of thing.

01:00:34.000 I know, but all of a sudden you get people teaming up, and all of a sudden we're in World War III.

01:00:39.000 Well, yeah, I mean, but then World War III would mean nuclear weapons.

01:00:41.000 Like I said, you're talking about military powers of the U.S., conventional military powers of the U.S. versus Russia.

01:00:48.000 Russia just doesn't.

01:00:49.000 Right.

01:00:49.000 Russia doesn't have a chance because Russia can't even, you know, that's not how war is fought anymore.

01:00:54.000 It's not fought head-to-head.

01:00:56.000 The point that I'm making is Russia can't steamroll the Ukraine. 0.69

01:00:59.000 They don't have the military might that people assumed before the Ukraine war.

01:01:04.000 It kind of can, though.

01:01:05.000 Like, they could turn it into a camp.

01:01:08.000 Okay.

01:01:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:10.000 So again, not talking about nuclear weapons is the point that I'm trying to make here.

01:01:10.000 Okay.

01:01:15.000 Like, people are playing fair.

01:01:18.000 What's that?

01:01:18.000 Why don't you think they've used these nuclear weapons that you're talking about?

01:01:21.000 That's a real good question.

01:01:22.000 That's a real.

01:01:23.000 And it's scary to think about when Putin's on his deathbed.

01:01:28.000 Like what's going to happen.

01:01:28.000 I know.

01:01:30.000 Yeah.

01:01:30.000 Well, he doesn't because he's becoming incredibly isolated as a result of it.

01:01:34.000 Like Trump is.

01:01:34.000 But you're on your deathbed.

01:01:36.000 I don't know what to say. 1.00

01:01:37.000 Crazy leaders on their deathbed. 0.98

01:01:39.000 What could they do? 0.99

01:01:40.000 Is Putin on his deathbed?

01:01:41.000 I don't know.

01:01:42.000 What are we even talking about?

01:01:43.000 I mean, there was a rumor in the media that he had cancer.

01:01:46.000 Was it like a couple months ago or whatever?

01:01:48.000 He had cancer.

01:01:49.000 Have you guys heard this?

01:01:50.000 I mean, it's a story.

01:01:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:53.000 I just saw something in the chat.

01:01:54.000 Oh, I was like, I don't know why that's funny.

01:01:56.000 Like, Putin with cancer.

01:01:57.000 I mean, maybe it is funny.

01:01:58.000 Well, I mean, yeah, but even if that, like, we've heard rumors, but you don't see him falling apart the way that you would imagine.

01:02:06.000 But he has the best health care of like anyone.

01:02:06.000 Yeah, right.

01:02:08.000 And, you know, like on earth almost.

01:02:12.000 Or the point that I'm making is the argument was he was he had cancer and he was, you know, he was degrading and et cetera, et cetera.

01:02:19.000 It was like rumors that we didn't know.

01:02:21.000 It was two years ago, and we haven't seen the fruition of this alleged cancer, right?

01:02:26.000 Well, you can live with cancer for years.

01:02:28.000 No, to rewind, what we were actually talking about was Russia's military capacity in Ukraine and their ability to overtake it, which they haven't displayed and haven't done a very good job of, but like they do have nukes.

01:02:40.000 They can nuke Ukraine. 0.98

01:02:43.000 It wouldn't do much for them.

01:02:45.000 But conventionally, they are clearly unable and falling very short, probably losing hundreds of thousands of Russians for a lot less than I think they anticipated to get originally.

01:02:55.000 This looks like, from a Russian perspective, almost like they're Afghanistan.

01:02:58.000 Well, Afghanistan part two, I guess.

01:03:00.000 That's a good, that's a good.

01:03:02.000 No.

01:03:03.000 No, it's not even close to Afghanistan because like almost every, like, I can't think of a significant engagement the United States lost in Afghanistan.

01:03:12.000 Oh, that way.

01:03:13.000 They have some for being bogged down.

01:03:15.000 Yeah, and like waste of time and a waste of money.

01:03:17.000 Unable to fulfill your ultimate like military to the political ends of it.

01:03:22.000 Like when we went into Afghanistan, we thought, oh, we're going to change these people. 1.00

01:03:25.000 We're going to turn them into Americans. 1.00

01:03:27.000 They're going to have blue jeans.

01:03:28.000 That was a rap at the time.

01:03:29.000 That's what we thought in Afghanistan.

01:03:30.000 Well, Afghanistan.

01:03:30.000 Well, yeah, you're right.

01:03:31.000 We turned Afghanistan in glass. 0.99

01:03:33.000 Then we thought we can go to Iraq and do that.

01:03:35.000 But yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:36.000 Yeah, like in Iraq, it was like, oh, we're going to set these. 0.95

01:03:40.000 We'll be welcomed as liberators in Iraq, et cetera, et cetera. 0.96

01:03:44.000 Afghanistan, it was just like, you're in the Stone Age and we're going to keep you there for 30 decades if you don't. 1.00

01:03:48.000 There's no nation to go in Afghanistan. 0.99

01:03:51.000 And the funny thing, and after 9-11, you remember this, Phil, like the Americans were all on board for that strike in Afghanistan because it just got hit.

01:03:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:00.000 And everyone was out there, rah-rah-rah.

01:04:01.000 And even I hate war and I was supporting it because it's like you just killed thousands of Americans.

01:04:06.000 So it's like, of course.

01:04:08.000 But then when it went to Iraq, that was the bridge too far for a lot of people.

01:04:11.000 And that's all I'm saying.

01:04:12.000 Like, this stuff escalates, and you're going to lose the favor of the American people the more we're fighting in these wars.

01:04:19.000 That's my opinion.

01:04:20.000 Well, I mean, yeah, I don't think that the American, I think that we've made it fairly clear that the American people don't support having an actual war in Ukraine where the U.S. is actually on the ground and involved in the fight.

01:04:35.000 But, all right, I think that we've talked enough about military force in Ukraine.

01:04:40.000 Maybe we should talk about military force in Mexico.

01:04:43.000 Let's go.

01:04:44.000 From the post-millennial.

01:04:46.000 Trump authorizes military force against drug cartels.

01:04:49.000 Report.

01:04:50.000 President Donald Trump has reportedly ordered the Pentagon to begin using military force against drug cartels that have been deemed terrorist organizations under his administration.

01:04:59.000 People familiar with the matter revealed to the New York Times.

01:05:02.000 Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the White House, told the outlet when asked about Trump authorizing military force against cartels, President Trump's top priority is to protect the homeland, which is why he took the bold step to designate several cartels and gangs as foreign terrorist organizations.

01:05:20.000 The sources said that the U.S. military officials have begun preparing options for how to go after the designated cartel groups.

01:05:28.000 Per the outlet, the directive is focused on U.S. forces directly capturing or killing people involved in the drug trade.

01:05:35.000 Now, I just saw a tweet from President Scheinbaum, and she straight up said that there is no chance of U.S. military forces in Mexico.

01:05:48.000 Now, I think she was referring to boots on the ground.

01:05:52.000 Actually, let me see if I can find that.

01:05:56.000 While you're looking for that, Phil, a lot, do you support this?

01:05:58.000 Do you support boots on the ground in Mexico?

01:06:00.000 Yeah, but I'm nervous about it.

01:06:03.000 But yes, I feel like this has to be dealt with militarily.

01:06:07.000 I just am very nervous of an outlandish cartel response or the killing of Americans visiting in Mexico or even them breaching American territory and trying to send a message to Americans.

01:06:22.000 But I'm confident President Trump is doing this lightly.

01:06:26.000 Also, like, I think we have, I wonder what troops she's talking about specifically, because I do believe we already are like deeply ingratiated there with like our DEA agents or have been on and off for some time.

01:06:39.000 So, yeah, I don't know.

01:06:40.000 I can't find the action.

01:06:42.000 President of Mexico, Sean.

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:44.000 Chat GPT says she's sharply rejected.

01:06:47.000 There's going to be any U.S. troops deployed to Mexico.

01:06:51.000 There'll be no invasion.

01:06:52.000 She's saying it's going to violate their sovereignty.

01:06:54.000 Yeah.

01:06:54.000 I mean, you hear rumors that there are former U.S. military special forces guys that are actually training some of the cartel members, which is a terrible, terrible development.

01:07:05.000 And I think that should they actually be, should that actually turn out to be true, the U.S. should deal with these people accordingly.

01:07:16.000 I mean, I agree.

01:07:17.000 I agree with a lot, like in principle of maybe having boots on the ground or at least trying to get the situation under control.

01:07:24.000 But it's like, you know, what happens if we take out the cartels?

01:07:28.000 They're just going to get replaced by something.

01:07:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:30.000 It's like same thing that's happening in Gaza.

01:07:32.000 It's like you go after them.

01:07:33.000 It's like you can't destroy an ideology and you can't destroy like a society's like it's a drug trade.

01:07:40.000 We have an idea.

01:07:42.000 We don't believe in the cartel.

01:07:43.000 It's an ideology in Mexico that they are, they are the hammer, right? 1.00

01:07:48.000 If you mess around in Mexico, they're coming after you. 0.99

01:07:51.000 And we smash their hammer. 0.95

01:07:52.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:07:53.000 There is precedent for the U.S. to be involved militarily going after cartel members.

01:07:59.000 I understand, but I'm just saying in Mexico, the people have accepted the cartels as this iron fist or whatever you want to call it.

01:08:06.000 Us going in and disrupting it, don't you think something else is just going to pop up in their place?

01:08:10.000 Allegedly, or ostensibly, what should happen is the U.S., should the U.S. go in and actually directly involve themselves with the cartels, what should happen is the local police forces that are supposed to be, you know, run by the municipalities, they should step in and say, okay, we weren't able to fight the cartels.

01:08:33.000 Now that the U.S. has either decapitated or significantly degraded their ability to murder people by the dozens.

01:08:42.000 I know.

01:08:43.000 They should step in and say, okay, well, we're going to provide for the people of Mexico because that's the whole point, right?

01:08:53.000 You vote for people.

01:08:55.000 There is a municipality.

01:08:57.000 You pay your taxes.

01:08:58.000 The taxes pay for police.

01:08:59.000 They're supposed to be able to...

01:09:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:07.000 Like their whole thing is just shaking down people.

01:09:10.000 So it's an occurrence.

01:09:11.000 It's a currency.

01:09:12.000 The U.S. should not.

01:09:14.000 Is the argument?

01:09:15.000 Are you making the argument that the U.S. shouldn't?

01:09:16.000 Or are you in the soil?

01:09:18.000 I think, like, you know, I personally think the best offense is a good defense.

01:09:22.000 And I do believe in a lot of those principles that come out of the American first movement where it's like we need to be focused on home and focused on.

01:09:29.000 How is a narco country on our southern border not focused at home? 1.00

01:09:37.000 There's a point.

01:09:38.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:09:38.000 Now, if they're coming in and trying to attack us, like a lot is saying, like they're doing like attacks on American soil.

01:09:45.000 I understand.

01:09:46.000 But if they're like actually attacking us on our soil, like dropping bombs and stuff, then yes, obviously we're in a defensive stance.

01:09:53.000 But us go, I'm just going to take bombs.

01:09:54.000 I'm just saying, I'm just whatever.

01:09:56.000 Like they're coming down there on the street.

01:09:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:58.000 They're mowing down Americans. 0.99

01:09:58.000 They're going down. 0.99

01:10:00.000 Of course, we're going to have to.

01:10:01.000 So the death toll isn't high enough?

01:10:02.000 All I'm saying is when you're the bully and you go in and you're saying, hey, we're going to fundamentally change this, just like Afghanistan, just like Iraq. 1.00

01:10:09.000 You can't go in and tell people, hey, the way you live is wrong. 0.99

01:10:13.000 We're going to kill them and put in what we want. 0.99

01:10:16.000 It just doesn't work. 0.99

01:10:17.000 The point that I'm making, though, is they're already operating in the United States.

01:10:22.000 Sure. 0.96

01:10:22.000 They're killing Americans. 0.96

01:10:24.000 Get them out. 1.00

01:10:27.000 Get them out.

01:10:28.000 Get them out of the United States. 1.00

01:10:29.000 Then when they start, you know, you get them out and then they're actually attacking us, like doing like bombing buildings or cars or whatever the case is.

01:10:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:39.000 Like actual, you know, war.

01:10:41.000 Then yes, open game. 0.98

01:10:42.000 Like destroy them.

01:10:43.000 Because they, you know, you want to be in the defensive position, especially as the bigger person, the juggernaut.

01:10:50.000 We don't want to be seen as a person going in and just massacring people and then saying, oh, you guys figure it out.

01:10:56.000 Oh, the local police are going to take over.

01:10:58.000 Everything's going to be okay.

01:10:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:00.000 So what do you say to the idea that the United States has actually been disassembling terrorist organizations for 20 years?

01:11:12.000 And whereas I understand if you're making the argument that changing a government doesn't work, I can concede that.

01:11:23.000 But the idea that the United States is not successful or has not been successful dismantling terrorist organizations, that's just flat out wrong.

01:11:31.000 So a lot of people love to say, oh, well, you know, the U.S. tries to go in and do all these changes to these countries, et cetera, et cetera.

01:11:31.000 Right.

01:11:39.000 And it never works.

01:11:40.000 But what they're saying is you can't change the government and expect to have a Western-style democracy. 0.97

01:11:48.000 That doesn't mean that you can't kill enough of the bad guys where they stop. 0.98

01:11:52.000 And hold on. 0.96

01:11:53.000 And that's what the U.S. has been doing for 20 years.

01:11:55.000 There has been a sharp decline in terrorist attacks Against the United States in the past 15 years, the last time there was some kind of significant upswing in terrorist attacks was ISIS, and the U.S. completely wiped ISIS out.

01:12:12.000 Understood.

01:12:13.000 So you think Obama's drone campaigns were good?

01:12:19.000 I don't know.

01:12:19.000 I don't think that I'm not talking about drone campaigns.

01:12:22.000 Why not?

01:12:22.000 We're going because I'm not because I'm not talking about drone campaigns.

01:12:25.000 Let me finish the sentence and stop talking before I'm done.

01:12:28.000 I'm not talking about just drone campaigns.

01:12:30.000 I'm talking about dismantling terrorist organizations.

01:12:33.000 The drone campaigns were one aspect of an overall system, right?

01:12:40.000 So it was intel, it was actual boots on the ground, like Delta Force going in and killing bad guys.

01:12:46.000 That's why there was, that's why Bagram Air Force Base in Iraq still has U.S. soldiers there, is because they use that as a Ford operating base, or they did use that as an afford operating base when Syria was being overrun by ISIS.

01:13:00.000 And then subsequently, when they had the civil war that was going on, right?

01:13:05.000 So like the U.S. is extremely good at dismantling terrorist organizations, and we've got 20 years of doing it.

01:13:14.000 And I understand, like, people love to say, oh, well, you know, Afghanistan, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:18.000 The U.S. didn't lose engagements in Afghanistan.

01:13:21.000 The U.S. lost the politics.

01:13:23.000 And the U.S. did there were serious, serious fights in Iraq, but even that, like the U.S. lost the politics of it.

01:13:32.000 The U.S. didn't lose a lot of engagements.

01:13:34.000 The U.S. military and U.S. political goals are totally different things.

01:13:41.000 And the U.S. military is second to none at finding and killing terrorists.

01:13:47.000 And if the U.S. has actually decided, or if the U.S. were to actually decide, hey, we think that the terrorist organization or the cartels in Mexico are terrorist organizations, and we're going to apply the same pressure to them that we did to ISIS.

01:14:04.000 I don't think that it's the situation where, oh, you know, we can't do anything about it anymore.

01:14:10.000 I understand.

01:14:10.000 I'm just saying we have to understand the position we're in as the biggest military in the world.

01:14:16.000 And I personally think what Obama did put us way behind in a lot of those relationships.

01:14:24.000 What about Trump was always anti-war?

01:14:26.000 Trump came in and took ISIS out.

01:14:28.000 I know.

01:14:30.000 And it was a good policy.

01:14:31.000 I know.

01:14:32.000 Listen, I'm not saying it's always the bad, the worst decision.

01:14:35.000 Angela, maybe you want to chime in. 0.58

01:14:36.000 Should we be bombing Iraqi kids? 1.00

01:14:40.000 Yes. 0.98

01:14:41.000 Should we be bombing Iraqi kids? 1.00

01:14:42.000 Could you possibly phrase this in any more disingenuous way? 0.93

01:14:48.000 Should our Iraqi kids have our most popular president be sending drones over to destroy Iraqi kids? 0.99

01:14:54.000 That's a good question.

01:14:54.000 What?

01:14:55.000 We're talking about the cartels, bro.

01:14:57.000 Angela.

01:14:57.000 No, no, we're talking about some of the things that I've been talking about.

01:14:59.000 I watched that one of the big lib issues during this administration that's kind of been an 80-20 issue for them.

01:15:06.000 And that's kind of President Trump's like reinvigoration of ICE and like the Democrat opposition to that.

01:15:12.000 I think it was governor from Minnesota, Tim Waltz, said the ICE that they're like the Gestapo.

01:15:18.000 And it's part and parcel for how many Democrats describe ICE.

01:15:22.000 What do you think of the president's, I guess, immigration strategy?

01:15:27.000 I mean, being in New York City, like I'm, you know, I'm giving Trump props on this one, like from what I see.

01:15:35.000 So this is, again, I know, but it's, it's, it's a bold lib thing to say this, but I feel like it's a bold statement because a lot of Democrats wouldn't say that, right?

01:15:45.000 Like, I want to give, like, I'm not rooting against Trump and I'm not rooting against the country.

01:15:49.000 Like, I'll definitely give him.

01:15:50.000 I think that's an area that he's been really successful and done well at.

01:15:55.000 So, I mean, I'm, I'm happy with that.

01:15:58.000 I have seen, I think he has been successful in doing that.

01:16:02.000 And yeah, I definitely don't agree with, you know, violence against ICE agents and against ICE.

01:16:09.000 So, and I do believe that people, you know, should be here legally and go through the right process and steps.

01:16:18.000 So, again, with the sense of humanity, like I care about people and their families and their situations, but I also, you know, if they're here illegally, like I feel, you know, that that's a concern that needs to be dealt with. 1.00

01:16:32.000 And they should, like, you know, I have, I wouldn't go to another country.

01:16:36.000 Like, I feel for their situations and why they're fleeing.

01:16:40.000 But I wouldn't expect to go to another country and just be able to be there.

01:16:45.000 You just got canceled by the rest of your Democrat friends.

01:16:48.000 I mean, it's one by one, right?

01:16:50.000 No.

01:16:50.000 But, like, I don't think that that's like unreasonable to say that.

01:16:55.000 I think that sounds reasonable to me.

01:16:59.000 I'm so unreasonable when it comes to immigration policy.

01:17:01.000 I'm the most, and I'm probably the most hardline person that you're going to meet.

01:17:06.000 So you're not even close to unreasonable, in my opinion.

01:17:11.000 10 years, right?

01:17:12.000 No, but moratorium is going to like 30.

01:17:12.000 10 years?

01:17:14.000 We need to 30 years.

01:17:15.000 30 years.

01:17:17.000 I want a 10-year moratorium on all immigration except for 0-1 visas. 1.00

01:17:21.000 I want to see actual punishment for people that hire or rent apartments to illegal immigrants because the best case scenario is a scenario where people deport themselves. 0.94

01:17:36.000 I don't like the idea of ICE having to run people down and going through neighborhoods to pick up illegals and stuff.

01:17:44.000 So the best possible situation is making it incredibly hard for them to stay.

01:17:48.000 So if you are renting to someone that's an illegal, that person should possibly lose their property.

01:17:55.000 Maybe second offense, they lose their property.

01:17:56.000 Definitely they go to jail in their first offense.

01:17:59.000 If you are hiring illegals, you should run the risk of losing your business, tax remittances at 90%. 1.00

01:18:07.000 So that way they can't get the money that they make out of the United States.

01:18:11.000 And of course, anyone that's caught that's illegal, they just go out and they can never come back.

01:18:16.000 And H-1Bs, because that's corporate slavery. 1.00

01:18:20.000 And H-1Bs, I like H-1, not H-1, the 0-1 visas, but there should be a lot of, what's the word I'm looking for?

01:18:30.000 Pretext to the situation, right?

01:18:33.000 Like you can't just be like, oh, well, I have an O-1 visa, so blah, blah, blah.

01:18:38.000 Like, you have to have the right ideology.

01:18:40.000 No communists, no leftists.

01:18:42.000 We have to deal with our own leftists here.

01:18:44.000 So those kind of things.

01:18:46.000 You have to love America.

01:18:47.000 You can't hate America to come to America.

01:18:50.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:18:50.000 I guess to wrap it on this, like, what does the panel think as far as should we go and kill the cartels? 0.95

01:18:56.000 Yes. 0.97

01:18:57.000 Okay.

01:18:58.000 We should go to war with them. 1.00

01:18:59.000 I mean, it's essentially effectively.

01:19:00.000 You're very hyperbolic.

01:19:01.000 Like, no, we should stop them from doing what they're doing.

01:19:03.000 We can go in them like we did with ISIS, like a lot of other things. 0.97

01:19:06.000 America has capabilities of stopping them.

01:19:08.000 We don't need to just bomb them and bomb whatever you're saying about bombing the civilians.

01:19:12.000 I wouldn't say that.

01:19:12.000 But look, the Ginsu missile is really good, right?

01:19:14.000 There we go.

01:19:15.000 You're not even, you're really, really targeting an individual.

01:19:18.000 You're not targeting, blowing up children and stuff.

01:19:22.000 Yeah, nowadays they've got the hellfire that's literally loaded with swords.

01:19:27.000 We have stuff from space that we can drop down.

01:19:29.000 Jewish laser. 0.88

01:19:30.000 No, we do.

01:19:31.000 There's spikes up there that drop down once.

01:19:33.000 No, rods from God are not real yet.

01:19:35.000 Okay.

01:19:36.000 I could have sworn I saw that.

01:19:37.000 I mean, that would be one of the main menu.

01:19:39.000 That would be a good thing.

01:19:42.000 They're talking about the Ginsu missile.

01:19:42.000 That's what they're talking about, Sean.

01:19:44.000 You mean the blades?

01:19:45.000 No, he's talking about rods from God.

01:19:47.000 Like a tungsten spike outer space.

01:19:50.000 Tungsten spike in orbit at like 200 miles and drop it and then it's all kinetic energy.

01:19:56.000 I understand that is.

01:19:56.000 I understand.

01:19:57.000 I think that does exist.

01:19:59.000 We have to stop them, brother.

01:20:00.000 We have to.

01:20:01.000 But you have to also consider, again, again, we're the most powerful military.

01:20:05.000 It's Mexico.

01:20:07.000 We've seen the made in Mexico signs on kinetic energy.

01:20:07.000 Cool.

01:20:11.000 What does politicians have to do? 0.99

01:20:13.000 I'm just saying, like, we have to consider what it looks like to the rest of the world and what the favor of the people.

01:20:20.000 We've never cared about what the world cared about.

01:20:22.000 I understand, but we've also never went into Mexico and started a war with cartels.

01:20:27.000 Yes, we have.

01:20:28.000 We absolutely have.

01:20:28.000 We did.

01:20:30.000 We've had military.

01:20:31.000 What's his name?

01:20:32.000 The war on drugs.

01:20:33.000 Yeah, I mean, the world remember?

01:20:35.000 There have been multiple times where actual Delta guys, actual Delta Force has been used to pick up cartel members.

01:20:42.000 Sure, but I'm saying we have not gone in and disseminated them to weirdo them.

01:20:47.000 We're not talking about actual invasion.

01:20:51.000 Oh, okay.

01:20:52.000 I thought that's what we were talking about.

01:20:53.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:20:55.000 There's not a discussion.

01:20:56.000 She's saying that there's nothing, but the panel was saying that they were supporting an invasion.

01:21:00.000 No, we talked about going against cartels, not invading Mexico.

01:21:03.000 Well, I think there's a difference.

01:21:05.000 There's a spectrum here, right?

01:21:05.000 Slow down.

01:21:06.000 Yes.

01:21:07.000 Like, we're not going to do regime change in Mexico.

01:21:11.000 Yeah.

01:21:12.000 Despite their government being a narco state saying, maybe they got Pablo Escobar.

01:21:14.000 How coach are they?

01:21:16.000 With a good time.

01:21:17.000 So Delta's, Delta was, Delta Force was involved in picking up Pablo Escobar in Colombia and El Chapo in Mexico.

01:21:22.000 I've targeted raids against powerful narco-cartel gangs in like northern Mexico, farther from the centralized government where they're most potent on our northern border.

01:21:22.000 Yeah, sure.

01:21:33.000 Those that distribute lethal drugs to American citizens and get rich off of that.

01:21:41.000 We are coming after you.

01:21:42.000 The president is coming after you and expect to get raided soon enough if you are on American soil or Mexican soil.

01:21:48.000 And we need to go after the Chinese too, because the Chinese are involved in the precursor chemicals that arrive in Mexico. 1.00

01:21:54.000 That mushroom story is wild with China that they just got away with that. 1.00

01:21:58.000 You know, I don't want to get too far off, but that was insane.

01:22:02.000 Parabella mushrooms?

01:22:02.000 I'm not sure about it.

01:22:04.000 The mushroom that they brought in that was like going to cause like a big disease or pandemic.

01:22:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:10.000 That was insane.

01:22:11.000 That was just like, oh, that's normal.

01:22:13.000 All right.

01:22:14.000 We're going to jump to this story to close it out tonight.

01:22:16.000 From the post-millennial again, Virginia high school staff accused of secretly helping students get abortions, including pressuring a girl who was five months along.

01:22:26.000 All righty.

01:22:28.000 An investigation is underway in Virginia's largest public school district after allegations came out claiming a staff at a local high school arranged and funded abortions for students without notifying their parents.

01:22:39.000 The claims involved Centerville High School in Fairfax County, where employees allegedly helped at least one 17-year-old obtain an abortion in 2021.

01:22:48.000 The story was first reported by the WC Dispatch, which said there were two instances of female minor students saying school officials arranged and bankrolled abortions at Fairfax Health Center without so much as a phone call to their parents. 0.98

01:23:01.000 Under Virginia law, physicians must attest that at least one parent or guardian was contacted before performing the abortion on a minor.

01:23:10.000 The 17-year-old student was allegedly assisted by a school social worker who scheduled and paid for the appointment and kept the information from the student's parents.

01:23:18.000 A second female student who was five months pregnant was allegedly told by the same social worker that the student had no other choice, but the student fled from the clinic and did not go through with the procedure.

01:23:28.000 Per the outlet, school principal Chad Liam allegedly green lit the procedures, which were paid for with school funds.

01:23:36.000 Well, this is disgusting.

01:23:40.000 Any I know they earmark school funds for that.

01:23:43.000 You know, apparently they do.

01:23:44.000 Any time the conservatives or the right say things like, oh, the Democrats think their kids are yours.

01:23:52.000 Democrats sit there and protest, no, no, no, no, no.

01:23:56.000 And then you hear about stuff like this, like, you know, students five months along, right?

01:24:02.000 Like, my girlfriend is seven months along, but I just imagine like five months along, you're going to abort a baby.

01:24:08.000 We were, you know, feel the kick in and stuff.

01:24:10.000 Like, that was a baby.

01:24:12.000 I don't care what anyone says.

01:24:13.000 Five months, it's a baby.

01:24:14.000 I don't care what you say.

01:24:17.000 If I understand correctly, at five months, it's possible that the baby could be born and survive under, you know, it has to be in care and stuff, but like it can survive at five months.

01:24:26.000 So like the idea that thankfully the girl ran away from them, which kind of makes it more horrible, right?

01:24:33.000 Like the girls like being ushered in, like it just gives you like this concept of like them trying to be like, no, you got to get rid of that thing. 0.95

01:24:43.000 And they're just like, no, no, no.

01:24:45.000 So yeah, I mean, I can't imagine thinking that this is acceptable.

01:24:52.000 And I imagine that you don't either, but.

01:24:54.000 No, I don't.

01:24:56.000 Like, it's very icky.

01:24:58.000 Like, right?

01:24:59.000 So hearing it is very icky.

01:25:01.000 I am pro-choice, but also coming from like a health background, mental health, what like this is all shady because there should be there, you know, they, there is, you know, they do need to have parents' permission to do anything as a minor.

01:25:19.000 So this does not seem like it was gone about, obviously, the right way.

01:25:24.000 Well, that's, that's kind of the shocking thing.

01:25:25.000 And like, this, this, a lot of this came out during the critical race theory and the COVID, you know, during COVID when, you know, parents could see what their kids were doing in school.

01:25:35.000 But like, it's weird.

01:25:36.000 The Democrats are so creepy and weird on this every time.

01:25:40.000 Like, I understand what you're saying, the parents' permission.

01:25:42.000 No, that's actually not the case.

01:25:44.000 In a lot of states, the schools trump parents' rights.

01:25:48.000 So the school can say, you know, schools will treat a kid as trans.

01:25:53.000 If a kid says they're trans, a school will treat them as trans and won't will never tell the parents, you know, abortion like this, never tell the parents.

01:26:01.000 It's a strange thing.

01:26:02.000 And to Phil's point, like they do say, you know, like, these are our kids.

01:26:05.000 We love these kids like they are our kids.

01:26:07.000 And then you see like this weird weirdness of them including the parents.

01:26:11.000 And I've talked to a lot of educators, especially that were on the left, and their argument is always their defense is, well, a lot of these kids have troubled homes. 0.97

01:26:19.000 And we know if we tell their parents they're trans or they're this, like they're going to be treated like crap at home and yada yada yada. 0.96

01:26:27.000 But it's at the end of the day, it's not their kid. 0.90

01:26:31.000 I mean, if you say that, like you're a Republican, if you say, oh, it's parents' rights, like the parents' rights don't exist on the level.

01:26:31.000 I agree with you.

01:26:38.000 Well, everywhere that I've lived and worked, I've always needed permission when working with minors from parents to whatever.

01:26:45.000 So this is surprising to me to see.

01:26:48.000 That hasn't been my experience.

01:26:51.000 This is a decision that, yeah, I don't think should have been done without the parents being involved for sure.

01:26:51.000 Depends on what's going on.

01:26:58.000 Have you heard, you've heard stories of minors going for transition surgery and stuff? 0.72

01:27:06.000 I mean, this to me seems like the mild situation, which is ridiculous.

01:27:14.000 I mean, the fact that I'm even articulating this idea is mind-blowing to me.

01:27:18.000 But an abortion paid for and handled by the school is actually significantly less.

01:27:27.000 I mean, I'm not, I'm actually, I'm not sure about that, but it strikes me as significantly less offensive than a teenager or maybe young teen getting some kind of transition surgery without the parents' involvement.

01:27:43.000 I hear you.

01:27:44.000 I think like those things can like coexist, right?

01:27:46.000 They can both be, I don't know that one, everyone's situation is different, but I also agree with you in terms of I don't think those surgeries should be done on children either.

01:27:56.000 I definitely think that children can feel a certain way.

01:28:00.000 Maybe they feel more like a man or a person.

01:28:02.000 A woman, right? 0.91

01:28:03.000 Yeah.

01:28:04.000 What?

01:28:05.000 Like when kids are like, I'm a truck.

01:28:07.000 Oh.

01:28:07.000 You know, you're not going to go and like drain out their blood and stuff and full of motorized.

01:28:12.000 Like long-lasting surgeries, et cetera, things like that, like very definitive.

01:28:19.000 I disagree with those being done on minors as well.

01:28:23.000 Yeah, Tim brings this up a lot.

01:28:24.000 It's like you're watching the same movie, but it's two different screens.

01:28:28.000 It's like the Democrats see this as actually protecting the kid.

01:28:33.000 They see this as like healthcare.

01:28:35.000 They see this as like keeping the kids safe from the parents.

01:28:38.000 So it's like, it's hard to like explain to people that literally think they're doing a good thing for kids, like, hey, this is horrible child abuse and the parents should be involved.

01:28:47.000 It's, it's a tough one.

01:28:48.000 I'm not so sure that there are people that really believe that they're helping so much as they really believe that there should be more people that think like them.

01:29:02.000 Right.

01:29:02.000 Like, I think that's a little bit of a problem.

01:29:04.000 I think that when it comes to like the LGBT stuff, especially when you're talking about trans people, I think that they are looking to make more of them.

01:29:14.000 Oh, for sure.

01:29:15.000 I think it's both.

01:29:16.000 But they truly think what they're doing is good for the kids.

01:29:21.000 And so, yes, of course they want them to follow in there.

01:29:23.000 So they're pushing their ideology up to them for their future gain.

01:29:27.000 I mean, I'm not so convinced that it's about the child, right?

01:29:32.000 Like, I don't think that it's, I think at the end of the day, like really down deep, it's not like, oh, we have to help these kids.

01:29:40.000 It's, I want more.

01:29:41.000 It's a narcissistic thing for the trans people that are trying to get the trans, get kids to help. 0.93

01:29:46.000 Oh, sure.

01:29:47.000 It's not like, oh, I want to help these kids.

01:29:49.000 They really need help.

01:29:50.000 No, it's, I want these kids to be like me.

01:29:53.000 It doesn't matter that the kid, if, because if it was really about the kid, they could be like, well, we can wait.

01:30:00.000 Because there are even, even if you're making arguments that are pro-transitioning, right doing it to children is bad if only because there's not enough material to fabricate the genitals of the opposite sex when they're children because the gen you know their genitals haven't grown so now this is not in any way like some kind of endorsement i think that it's an abomination but if you really care about the kids then you would want to have as much material 0.97

01:30:31.000 work with so you have the best possible outcome but they don't want that they or they don't care about that they want the transition to happen as early as possible because it validates their own mental yeah i agree okay there definitely are the activists and there definitely are the useful idiots but at the end of the day most of them still think they're saving the kid's life from committing suicide because that is i think that that's the end goal if they don't transition the kid they are convinced that

01:31:00.000 the kid will self-harm i disagree i think i disagree i don't think that it's actually the the like fundamental motivation is not about the kid it's not about saving the kid it's not about having a kid that transitions and has a better happier life it's about get this kid to transition because that validates me i think it's narcissistic and i think that it's not about the child because like i said there are arguments for people that agree like i can make i

01:31:30.000 don't agree with this but i i can make the argument that if you think that it's good to transition you should wait until their genitals have fully matured so that way you have the most material but they don't think they're gonna make it that long they truly if you talked i mean angela back me up here i mean i they're lying right it's hard whenever you generalize like i don't think every like you can't generalize across the board i think everything is situational but i would say in my experience i more believe that

01:32:00.000 they think that they're helping like i think it might be an overreach or a stretch or based on being older and thinking you know you've been had no but i do like i have relative like i have a trans cousin um i my aunt has like i've seen her go through that process like i genuinely don't think that she is pushing anything on her right like i think that she feels like she's trying like he was bullied in school and i think she and you know they're unhappy and

01:32:29.000 potentially suicidal and i so i do think my experience has been more that people genuinely are trying to help and think that they're doing the best thing but i i agree with you that i that's a it's a young age to be doing like a surgery like that they're activists at the top totally that know exactly what they're doing and are trying to further the ideology like you're saying but i think a lot of the educator uh educators especially like truly believe they're helping the kid like they just spend you know they've

01:32:59.000 been brainwashed into thinking this is the way so your your argument is not that the educators as in like people that you would teachers regular normal people yeah like regular bought into the line that the trans people that are who run the schools who are at the top of the schools yeah yeah yeah yeah okay i i can understand that i think that i think that that does make sense i think the people that are the activists that are the the most likely to do things like kidnap a kid take them to a place where they can get a

01:33:29.000 transition yeah i think those people are are the ones that i'm referring to yes i don't think that they're actually motivated to help people i think they're motivated by the fact that they're narcissists and that they want to see more people like them and it validates their own uh what's the word i'm looking for their their own self-image yeah their own yeah their own like motivations and it's like and it's sad too because like the hardest thing on the left these days which is really sad it's like you know everything you're saying is right phil about like why they shouldn't be doing it but

01:33:59.000 as soon as you have that discussion with an educator uh on that level like they shut down they stop listening they stop talking like you can bring up all these facts hey you should wait till you're 18 all these things hey this you know thing about like self-harm in a video game is not necessarily true whatever they don't they just shut down and so it's really hard to get through to them and they're the ones that are overseeing the education system you know so and like bringing it back to the story that we were on like i think the social work that i do think that they probably want to help

01:34:29.000 these children but there are those measures in place for a reason, right?

01:34:33.000 Like with going through the parents, and you, I mean, that's it, it's just like, yeah, it's crossing a boundary in a line for sure.

01:34:39.000 I think it's most when it comes to teachers that would help a kid get an abortion.

01:34:39.000 I agree.

01:34:45.000 I think that that is them thinking that they're doing the right thing.

01:34:49.000 Because if you listen to people make arguments for abortion, I think the vast majority of arguments for abortion are bad, but then because they're always like the extreme cases that are like, you know, 0.01%, oh, you know, they'll be poor.

01:35:04.000 Oh, so it's better to kill a kid as opposed to have a poor kid. 0.95

01:35:08.000 That's insane. 1.00

01:35:09.000 That is absolutely insane.

01:35:12.000 So they'll make the argument of, what about rape and incest? 0.90

01:35:15.000 And then the, you know, conservatives are constantly like, okay, we'll make a car vote for rape and incest.

01:35:19.000 How about we, how about we do that?

01:35:21.000 And then all other abortions are out. 1.00

01:35:23.000 No, no, no, because they know that 99% of abortions are actually just about birth control.

01:35:30.000 They're not about any of the preconceived or any of the arguments that you hear made, the exceptions and stuff.

01:35:38.000 It's never that.

01:35:39.000 Well, you got to be careful on the conservative side because birth control is not necessarily the most popular on the conservative side, too.

01:35:46.000 So that's where that whole discussion gets really weird.

01:35:50.000 I think when you get to the abortion discussion, it's too late.

01:35:54.000 Like there needs to be a whole discussion of what's happening before the abortion discussion.

01:35:58.000 And, you know, the conservatives will say, okay, abstinence, more responsibility, yada, yada.

01:36:03.000 The left will say, they used to say, use like protection and condoms and stuff like that.

01:36:08.000 Oh, the left.

01:36:08.000 Yeah.

01:36:09.000 They used to say that.

01:36:10.000 That's what the right says now.

01:36:12.000 Well, kind of, really, right?

01:36:14.000 But it's not all the way there like it used to be.

01:36:16.000 So it's like.

01:36:16.000 I mean, well, again, the distinction that you're making here is actually the distinction between the Christian conservatives and the broader MAGA coalition.

01:36:24.000 So even the broad MAGA coalition would be like the Democrats from the 90s that we were talking about earlier.

01:36:28.000 But I would still say broad MAGA does not support the Plan B. It does not support things like that.

01:36:35.000 I mean, a lot, maybe he can chime in.

01:36:37.000 He's in the MAGA a lot.

01:36:40.000 I think MAGA.

01:36:40.000 What does the White House say about it?

01:36:43.000 What's your deal, bro?

01:36:45.000 I think MAGA writ large is pro-choice.

01:36:48.000 I think Trump's made this pivot in the Republican Party to now be relatively pro-choice.

01:36:54.000 And when I say that, I mean that he's moving more in the pro-choice direction.

01:36:58.000 In effect, what he's actually doing is allowing the states to make their own decisions and leaving it up to the states.

01:37:04.000 But I don't think that's a fundamentally pro-life position.

01:37:06.000 And compared to Republicans of the past, it's going in the pro-choice direction.

01:37:11.000 And I think that's effective politically because it's dispelling, I think, Democrats' most potent attack against Republicans.

01:37:19.000 I think for many women, the Republican Party was a little bit unappealing because of the abortion issue. 0.96

01:37:26.000 That could get a little bit iffy for them.

01:37:28.000 I don't know if I'm breaking any news here, but abortion is a little bit more personal for women than it is for men.

01:37:34.000 So it's a little bit of a touchy subject for them.

01:37:37.000 So I think politically, it's very potent, but it's also going at one of the traditional three stools, one of the stools of the Republican Party, which is religious conservatives that are completely unaligned with the MAGA, the larger MAGA movement on this issue, because they go as far as to not even believe in IVF.

01:37:57.000 There are many Christian MAGA people who don't believe in IVF, let alone who are pro-life.

01:38:05.000 So I think that's something important to consider.

01:38:08.000 And that could be a core constituency in the future that could turn against the Republican Party if they keep heading in the pro-choice direction.

01:38:16.000 But that's like, you know, what's the terminology?

01:38:21.000 They're hitting stuff in their own foot.

01:38:23.000 Like people like Lila Rose or something like that, they're telling people not to vote for Trump because he's not super, you know, pro-life. 0.94

01:38:30.000 Vote for a Democrat so they can kill a baby in nine months? 1.00

01:38:30.000 Like, what are they going to do? 1.00

01:38:33.000 Like, they have no choice in the matter.

01:38:35.000 Unless you have a third party, if you don't go with someone who's, you know, moderately released, leave it up to the states and move to the state that you want to live in where you can save your baby no matter what.

01:38:43.000 And they can't, you know, whatever they got going on.

01:38:46.000 I'm not a big old pro-life person.

01:38:47.000 I'm okay with it.

01:38:48.000 I love it.

01:38:48.000 Go babies.

01:38:50.000 But you know what I mean?

01:38:51.000 Like, what are they going to do?

01:38:52.000 They have no other choice in this matter.

01:38:54.000 They can't alienate themselves against Trump and/or Madden Republicans.

01:38:58.000 I think it's also important to understand that I believe most abortions now happen via the abortion pill, which is methopristone.

01:39:05.000 And there's this one other drug.

01:39:07.000 And this is a drug that during COVID, it required like a meeting.

01:39:12.000 Before COVID, it required a meeting with the doctor to be able to be prescribed it post-COVID because COVID disallowed people from meeting with one another.

01:39:18.000 They changed the law such that women were able to be prescribed this and didn't have to be with the doctors.

01:39:23.000 We're still under those COVID laws or post-COVID laws where women don't have to meet with a doctor to get this drug. 1.00

01:39:30.000 This drug's becoming a lot more accessible.

01:39:32.000 So when we think about how abortion will look in the future, it will become more medicalized.

01:39:38.000 Women will have a lot easier access to it through Mephipristone. 0.92

01:39:41.000 If it ever becomes illegal, women can easily, you know, get access to these drugs despite that because it's abortion and a pill. 1.00

01:39:49.000 You don't need to do a crazy coat hanger or something.

01:39:52.000 Which was the stereotype.

01:39:52.000 Right.

01:39:53.000 Is that what killed population worse and worse down the road?

01:39:57.000 The abortion abortion has been one of the worst things for no, I agree, but like with make it so easy, like in the course of it. 1.00

01:40:05.000 I think that it is all right.

01:40:06.000 I think it's already one of the reasons why, you know, it's been such a hit to the population.

01:40:15.000 What was 60 million?

01:40:16.000 Remember the teen mom show?

01:40:17.000 Like, oh, geez.

01:40:19.000 When I was younger, there was like a lot of teen moms. 1.00

01:40:21.000 They wouldn't abort the kids.

01:40:22.000 Yeah.

01:40:23.000 And I don't know.

01:40:24.000 Still.

01:40:26.000 Yeah, it's like it's still on.

01:40:26.000 Oh, really?

01:40:29.000 I don't watch it, but I do have a little Jersey Shore guilty pleasure.

01:40:34.000 Sometimes I see it.

01:40:34.000 Jersey shows up.

01:40:36.000 I love Jersey Shore so much.

01:40:38.000 But Teen Mom, like, I don't know.

01:40:40.000 They're bringing back the teen moms from like before. 0.98

01:40:44.000 I used to use that as an example.

01:40:45.000 I'm going to stop using that as an example now.

01:40:47.000 I always used to say, like, oh, you really abhor all the young women are encouraged to abort, but I guess not because the show is still going on.

01:40:55.000 Also, on Mefepristo, real quick, the Trump administration actually defended its use in Texas.

01:40:59.000 They're trying to not have different people and different courts go after women's access to mephapristo. 1.00

01:41:06.000 And I think it really speaks to the pro-choice direction of the at least the administration right now.

01:41:12.000 And they don't want to touch this issue with a 10-foot pole.

01:41:15.000 They like that.

01:41:15.000 Trump loves touching on all the issues, but I think he's noticeably leaving this one alone.

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01:41:55.000 And Angela's going to join as well.

01:41:57.000 Are you going to be there?

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01:41:58.000 Show me.

01:42:00.000 I saw the conversation on X, but I wasn't sure if there was a resolution of that.

01:42:05.000 So Angela will be there, and she's definitely going to be on the side of the misogynists. 1.00

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01:43:52.000 I would love to see you get a lot of thing to buy me a drink.

01:43:56.000 A lot.

01:43:57.000 Now I think that I just want to buy you enough drinks to get you absolutely.

01:44:01.000 Hey, man.

01:44:01.000 Imagine that.

01:44:02.000 As long as you tip your bartender well.

01:44:04.000 Do you have a ride home?

01:44:05.000 Are you driving?

01:44:06.000 You could drive me.

01:44:06.000 You could drive.

01:44:07.000 I am not driving you anywhere.

01:44:09.000 Absolutely not.

01:44:12.000 Bold lib.

01:44:14.000 I have a driver.

01:44:15.000 I was saying on the other show, young liberal women don't get enough credit. 1.00

01:44:19.000 I was saying libs are kind of hot. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Nobody agreed with me.

01:44:22.000 And then I said young Hillary Clinton was, you know, a beautiful woman.

01:44:26.000 What?

01:44:27.000 No.

01:44:27.000 Okay, you agree, right?

01:44:29.000 I don't know if I've seen a young Hillary Clinton. 1.00

01:44:31.000 I don't know.

01:44:32.000 Serge, you ready to pull her up?

01:44:33.000 Oh, no.

01:44:35.000 Don't tell me.

01:44:35.000 You guys aren't ready for young Hillary Clinton.

01:44:37.000 I mean, a lot has been thinking about her a lot, apparently.

01:44:40.000 He's been talking about it.

01:44:41.000 I like it.

01:44:41.000 I'm happy for you.

01:44:43.000 She's happy for you.

01:44:44.000 I'm happy for you and Hill Dog.

01:44:47.000 Well, hey, her and Bill got pretty far.

01:44:49.000 I mean, hey, they had a good run at it.

01:44:50.000 She was almost president. 0.73

01:44:51.000 She has amazing pantsuits. 0.98

01:44:54.000 Great.

01:44:54.000 I'm kidding, by the way.

01:44:55.000 This is all.

01:44:58.000 Wyatt Caldenberg says: if they arrest one of these Dems, I think he's talking about the Texas legislators, he or she will become a superstar.

01:45:06.000 If they arrest 30 or more, they become a faceless mob.

01:45:09.000 Everyone remembers the first man to step on the moon.

01:45:11.000 Who remembers the fourth?

01:45:12.000 That's actually a fair point.

01:45:15.000 I do think that the talent of the individual still matters.

01:45:19.000 It will actually matter, though.

01:45:20.000 If you get someone that can't speak, can't relate to people that just managed to squeak in as a state rep, you know, that'll be a problem.

01:45:32.000 They need to have that kind of charisma and that political star power.

01:45:36.000 Ellen Bean was his name, by the way, the fourth person to step on the moon, Ellen Bean.

01:45:40.000 Was it really?

01:45:42.000 Facts.

01:45:42.000 There you go.

01:45:43.000 Well, if you believe anyone to oh, God.

01:45:46.000 We'll talk about it tomorrow with Alex.

01:45:49.000 I don't even want to talk.

01:45:51.000 Plastic Cup Politics says, I will be severely disappointed if not, but a single Tim Cast member tosses a lime green sexual.

01:46:01.000 Yeah, there you go. 0.99

01:46:02.000 On stage during the feminist debate tomorrow, Peep's going to be showing up with a literal bag of dicks. 1.00

01:46:09.000 Now that you've read that, someone's coming with one. 0.99

01:46:12.000 You know, I know.

01:46:13.000 It was already coming out of my mouth before I realized what it was.

01:46:18.000 Just aim it at Alex.

01:46:19.000 He'll love it.

01:46:21.000 Dane Peterson says, hook and mouth, so far, so good.

01:46:24.000 Greatest anti-government song ever.

01:46:24.000 So what?

01:46:26.000 Great job, Phil, bringing it up.

01:46:27.000 F. Tipper Gore, absolutely.

01:46:30.000 I'm a fan of Megadeth.

01:46:31.000 We just got the privilege.

01:46:33.000 We had the privilege of touring with them just last summer.

01:46:35.000 Great guys.

01:46:36.000 Dave was awesome.

01:46:37.000 And one of the cool things about Megadeth is they change the set every night.

01:46:41.000 So it's actually worth going to see multiple shows if you can swing it.

01:46:45.000 They don't play the same show the same set every night.

01:46:48.000 They were constantly surprising people.

01:46:51.000 So yeah, go check out Megadeth.

01:46:53.000 They're awesome.

01:46:55.000 Ligma Johnson says Trump's promise to end the war on day one came before Biden Greenlit American missiles to be fired on civilian targets inside Russia.

01:47:03.000 Biden did everything he could to fan those flames.

01:47:05.000 Yeah, I agree, but at the same time, like what a cope.

01:47:09.000 Yeah, I mean, his point isn't well taken, but at the same time, I don't think that Trump could have just stepped in and said, hey, stop.

01:47:19.000 And I mean, you know, Putin was going to listen because Putin, again, Putin has all the cards.

01:47:25.000 Putin is in the position of power there.

01:47:27.000 Well, that's why it's like we are always in the impossible position of like trying to bury beefs, like end beefs.

01:47:34.000 And it's like, I get we're powerful, but how do you stop people that have hated each other for as long as they hate each other?

01:47:41.000 Like, that's the toughest thing.

01:47:42.000 It's like, outside of, you know, doing terrible things.

01:47:46.000 And even that doesn't necessarily end it.

01:47:47.000 It just makes it worse.

01:47:48.000 Again, Obama's campaigns.

01:47:50.000 Like, that didn't help us.

01:47:51.000 So.

01:47:52.000 Shane H. Wilder says a Tarrant County judge granted Paxton's request for a temporary restraining order injunction against Beto O'Rourke's powered bythepeople.org.

01:48:02.000 That was receiving funds to pay fines of the Dems. 0.94

01:48:06.000 Big W. Hey, look, anytime Beto O'Rourke gets his fanny slapped, I'm happy. 0.99

01:48:12.000 Well, hand slapped, smack in the face. 0.99

01:48:14.000 I don't want to.

01:48:16.000 Don't get the wrong idea.

01:48:18.000 Don't get the wrong idea, weirdos.

01:48:22.000 Lad's talking about hot Hillary.

01:48:23.000 Shane H. Wilder with another Rumble rant.

01:48:26.000 Raymond is right about the long term, but in the short term, they are delaying more than the redistricting.

01:48:32.000 They are delaying votes on protecting groundwater and a flood disaster bill.

01:48:36.000 So Shane H. Wilder is from Texas, so he actually has a good inside track on it.

01:48:42.000 Thank you, Shane, for those.

01:48:44.000 I wanted to mention one of these guys.

01:48:46.000 His name is James Tallarico.

01:48:48.000 He's a Texas state representative.

01:48:49.000 He's one of the guys who fled, but he's also one of the guys who went on Joe Rogan's podcast like a week or so ago, and he's getting a lot of buzz.

01:48:56.000 So if there's somebody who's trying to finesse this whole, you know, political stunt into something, it's this guy.

01:49:02.000 And I mean, this is what he wants for us to keep our eyes on him.

01:49:06.000 But I guess he's somebody to keep his eyes on.

01:49:08.000 Your eyes on.

01:49:09.000 I mean, if he made it to JR, that's kind of a thing.

01:49:11.000 But I agree with Shane.

01:49:13.000 Like, once critical things start happening as a result, that's the only way people start being like, hey, go get this guy arresting.

01:49:19.000 Yeah, water's a big deal.

01:49:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:22.000 Shane H. Wilder again said, remember Warren's cherry pie album, 1990, had a 55-second track called Ode to Tipper Gore that consisted of clips of every foul word they said in concert as a big middle finger to the warning label.

01:49:34.000 Look, the warning label.

01:49:36.000 When the warning label came out, that was a badge of honor, right?

01:49:40.000 But it hurt your sales bigly.

01:49:41.000 Did it really hurt the sales?

01:49:43.000 Yeah, artists were all like, because Walmart wouldn't carry them, like, family-friendly stores wouldn't carry them once they had that label on it and you lost a ton of money.

01:49:51.000 In the 1990s, was there?

01:49:52.000 I guess there was, wasn't there?

01:49:53.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:49:55.000 They weren't the big, gigantic.

01:49:56.000 Oh, they were still huge for like artists because people used to buy CDs back then.

01:50:00.000 Remember, you used to go buy the singles.

01:50:02.000 We used to go to the bottom.

01:50:02.000 Yeah, I did this all the time.

01:50:04.000 I'm making a joke.

01:50:05.000 Okay.

01:50:05.000 Okay, okay.

01:50:06.000 I myself was buying CDs.

01:50:09.000 Remember, I'm probably the oldest person at the table.

01:50:11.000 Right, right, right.

01:50:12.000 And a musicians.

01:50:14.000 It really hurt your industry when they put those labels on it, really.

01:50:17.000 Not as much as streaming, homie. 1.00

01:50:18.000 Oh, for sure.

01:50:19.000 So let's see.

01:50:21.000 Lime wire.

01:50:22.000 You look good for your age, though.

01:50:24.000 Yeah, very good.

01:50:25.000 I mean, it's not a hard word because the apps are.

01:50:27.000 You're shredded real nicely, even though you're closer to my dad's age than mine.

01:50:30.000 I probably am closer to you.

01:50:31.000 No, I did the math.

01:50:34.000 What?

01:50:34.000 No, not in a bet.

01:50:35.000 He's good for his age.

01:50:36.000 Are you kidding me?

01:50:37.000 We understand you're.

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:38.000 Not a fan.

01:50:39.000 But he still tours.

01:50:41.000 Oh, freaking Phil Rocks Divine. 0.52

01:50:41.000 Yeah. 0.52

01:50:42.000 Have you heard of that?

01:50:43.000 He's a rock star.

01:50:44.000 Still going to the gym.

01:50:45.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 I mean, most of the guys my age are not in the shape that I am.

01:50:49.000 You probably bench a lot more than me.

01:50:51.000 Yeah, my chest has never been great.

01:50:53.000 Have you seen this?

01:50:54.000 I'm maxed out at 185.

01:50:55.000 Okay, I can bench more than you.

01:50:57.000 But my deadlift and my squats are actually much better than Monte Bench.

01:51:00.000 At the White House.

01:51:01.000 Eb Jones says it's our job because we are the world's most powerful military by a massive margin.

01:51:06.000 It's not even close.

01:51:07.000 And we have every interest in staying that way.

01:51:10.000 The West, communism, or Islam, take your pick. 0.93

01:51:12.000 There is an argument for that, right?

01:51:14.000 So like everybody that says, hey, the United States shouldn't be the world police.

01:51:18.000 Like, I like that concept, but I also like the idea of the United States making sure that the oceans are safe for everybody.

01:51:28.000 Like, so there are trade.

01:51:32.000 The military makes sure that every nation is allowed to use the seas in a way that is not particularly preferential to other, you know, to other countries or to one country.

01:51:44.000 And I think that that has been an actual benefit to the whole world for the entire time that the United States has been doing that.

01:51:52.000 So the post-World War II order, with the United States being the, at least making sure that everyone can trade on the open sea, I think that that's been a benefit for the whole world.

01:52:06.000 And I would like to keep it that way because I don't know that I think that it would be a significantly worse situation if Russia were in charge of part of the oceans and China were in part of the in charge of the South China Sea and we didn't have at least the ability to fend off a significant increase in piracy out from Somalia and stuff.

01:52:30.000 Like the United States really does do a lot to keep that kind of stuff under control.

01:52:34.000 So I think that's a that's a net good net positive for the whole world.

01:52:39.000 Phil, real quick question for you, sir.

01:52:41.000 would that be like all of the oceans but also like the seas like the black sea the red sea the u.s can't go into the black sea like the the just talking about the example talking just oceans straight up yeah yeah because the like the u.s isn't gonna if if you've like the black sea you know it's surrounded territorially by the gulfs do you think no because the because the thing is it's it's it's multiple countries that are are actually you know yeah when it comes like the gulf of oman or

01:53:11.000 whatever there there are multiple countries that are are that border the gulf so if it's an international seaway then the u.s is going to make sure that it stays open and i think that's a a generally positive thing for the rest of the world don't get caught up on the on the black sea i was just uh throwing examples off the top of my head no hate let's see ian kenny says i know i'm late on this topic but i was busy in regards to the texas gerrymandering convo here's a wisconsin pbs headline democrats flipped 14

01:53:41.000 in the Wisconsin legislature in 2024 after redistricting.

01:53:45.000 It's true, man.

01:53:46.000 Look, there are something like 40% of the population of Massachusetts are Republicans, maybe 35%.

01:53:53.000 And there are zero Republican seats from Massachusetts.

01:53:56.000 New York City is definitely something along the lines of like 30, 70, or in the greater New York metro area, all Democrats, if I understand correctly.

01:54:07.000 So Illinois is largely controlled by Democrats.

01:54:11.000 There are like at least 75% of the seats out of California are Democrats.

01:54:18.000 The representation for conservatives in blue states is almost non-existent or actually non-existent in many of the blue states.

01:54:29.000 So the idea that Democrats are, you know, the idea that Democrats are being somehow shut down and they don't have political power because of gerrymandering, like that's just a BS line intended to get Democrats worked up.

01:54:46.000 It's not the case at all.

01:54:48.000 And they'll tell you that it's unprecedented.

01:54:52.000 They'll tell you that it's something that the Republicans are doing in order to suppress democracy.

01:54:59.000 It's all BS.

01:55:00.000 It's not unprecedented.

01:55:01.000 It's happened before.

01:55:02.000 And considering the massive shift of population after COVID from states like California to states like Texas and the influx of people from illegal, the four years of essentially open borders because of the Biden administration, there's a really strong argument to do redistricting now.

01:55:21.000 So this idea or the argument that the left makes, it doesn't hold water. 0.98

01:55:26.000 It's just absolutely garbage. 0.96

01:55:28.000 The issue with redistricting is that Democrats can do it too. 0.98

01:55:32.000 I'm reading some new news out of California about how Governor Newsom plans to, or is hosting some of these Texas legislators.

01:55:39.000 And they have some juice to squeeze out in California too.

01:55:42.000 So I think we're going to see a tit for tat battle here.

01:55:45.000 We'll see how it plays out.

01:55:47.000 Friend of the show, James Klug says, the first time I met a lot, we were debating abortion in a crowded bar and he started yelling at me.

01:55:54.000 Never seen a grown man lose a debate so bad.

01:55:57.000 Human life is worth protecting.

01:55:58.000 Ow, ow, ow. 1.00

01:56:00.000 James Klug is throwing you under the bus.

01:56:01.000 And James Klug chilling at the bar yelling about abortion.

01:56:04.000 Trust me, James Klug got very emotional about, you know, his love for...

01:56:09.000 Babies?

01:56:09.000 Life.

01:56:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:10.000 Oh, did you take the inverse?

01:56:10.000 Oh, okay.

01:56:12.000 You took the opposite?

01:56:12.000 Maybe he should get one of his own, James.

01:56:14.000 Hey.

01:56:15.000 You took the opposite a lot?

01:56:17.000 You're pro-choice?

01:56:17.000 I don't believe in the government.

01:56:19.000 I don't believe the government should be restricting women's access to abortion beyond 14 weeks.

01:56:23.000 Okay.

01:56:24.000 Okay.

01:56:25.000 Before 14 weeks.

01:56:26.000 I do love your advice for James.

01:56:27.000 Yeah, right?

01:56:28.000 I think dude's almost 30.

01:56:30.000 No kids. 1.00

01:56:31.000 Damn. 1.00

01:56:32.000 Oof. 1.00

01:56:33.000 That's a bold lip.

01:56:35.000 I'm almost 50.

01:56:36.000 I am 50, and I don't have any kids yet.

01:56:39.000 Well, she's pregnant. 1.00

01:56:40.000 She's on the way.

01:56:41.000 right down the road brother yeah right i mean it's like you know they say it's already alive in the womb you know in korea they start from when you get pregnant they start counting you don't have to put a super chat in even if you're on the show well i mean i i'll i'll i'll send the super chat as the uh tesla's driving us to the uh yeah there you go or maybe i'll just wait till it happens like surprising You're on the show.

01:57:00.000 Put the super chat in before you run to the hospital.

01:57:02.000 I mean, rumor has it the first one takes a while.

01:57:05.000 So I assume that maybe.

01:57:05.000 Yeah.

01:57:08.000 And then the second one just slides right out.

01:57:10.000 Look, man, I'm the second, and I was born in the hallway.

01:57:14.000 So they didn't even get my mom into the room.

01:57:16.000 And my sister, it took some time.

01:57:18.000 So we'll see.

01:57:19.000 I like it.

01:57:20.000 I mean, for my girlfriend's, for her sake, I hope that it doesn't take too, too long.

01:57:25.000 Sure.

01:57:26.000 Sure.

01:57:27.000 Everybody doing a good job explaining a woman's body and biology or anything. 1.00

01:57:30.000 Exactly.

01:57:31.000 I mean, you know, the logistics, yeah.

01:57:33.000 Just slide right out the second one. 0.99

01:57:35.000 Yeah.

01:57:36.000 I also hope for her that it's not long and it slides right.

01:57:39.000 How's the baby fever?

01:57:40.000 You still got it?

01:57:41.000 You still got that?

01:57:41.000 You still sweating?

01:57:42.000 Hey.

01:57:44.000 I mean, you tweet about it a lot.

01:57:46.000 You know, it's what I'm saying.

01:57:47.000 So I'm wondering if that's like, if that's real or if that's you just putting on like I said, evolving, growing, open.

01:57:54.000 All right.

01:57:55.000 Our sergeant says, our sergeant 31 says, let's reverse some thinking.

01:58:00.000 What if America allowed its people to cross into Mexico unchecked? 0.91

01:58:03.000 How long do you think it would be before American gangs were running the Mexican? 0.55

01:58:07.000 What American gangs?

01:58:08.000 Before American gangs were running.

01:58:12.000 Like the Crips, they couldn't make any money down there. 0.85

01:58:15.000 Actually, we get to go in unchecked.

01:58:17.000 They don't get to come here unchecked, right?

01:58:18.000 We can go just go to Mexico, right?

01:58:20.000 Yeah, and they hate us. 0.82

01:58:20.000 They hate us. 0.82

01:58:21.000 He's talking about gangs.

01:58:23.000 Oh.

01:58:24.000 And also, yeah, like if you are an expat or not even an expat, there are people that are just that just went to Mexico City to work, right?

01:58:31.000 Because it's cheaper.

01:58:32.000 They work remotely and it's cheaper to live down there.

01:58:34.000 And there are Mexicans down there telling them to get out. 0.99

01:58:37.000 They are hating on them because they're like, there's something like 10,000 Americans that live in Mexico City.

01:58:44.000 And the city has something like five, 10 million.

01:58:47.000 It's like a big, big, big city.

01:58:49.000 So the amount of people, the amount of Americans that are there are not affecting housing prices, but they're still blaming the Americans.

01:58:56.000 They're like, get out of here, Gringo. 1.00

01:58:58.000 They want out the 10,000.

01:59:00.000 We have like, you know, 400 million or whatever it is.

01:59:02.000 Signs posted, like 4 million.

01:59:04.000 5 million.

01:59:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:05.000 Yeah, they don't want American. 0.99

01:59:06.000 They don't like it at all.

01:59:07.000 They don't like it at all.

01:59:08.000 We're the nice world.

01:59:10.000 We're the best people.

01:59:11.000 And again, the Americans are bringing, you know, they're bringing American dollars in.

01:59:16.000 They're spending dollars that they made when they're working remotely.

01:59:20.000 To be fair, they probably are driving up the property value and the prices in that area.

01:59:25.000 To be fair to them, the problem area, I guess.

01:59:28.000 Sure.

01:59:29.000 The problem is that there are Mexicans that can't find apartments and stuff like that. 1.00

01:59:32.000 Which is, I guarantee, just like in the United States, the cost is because of things like zoning and because of the governments of the municipalities and then the state and country more broadly.

01:59:46.000 But they're still blaming the Americans.

01:59:47.000 Like, hey, get out of here, Gringo.

01:59:50.000 So I blame the Whitey somehow. 0.94

01:59:51.000 So ironic.

01:59:52.000 It's funny.

01:59:54.000 All right, let's see.

01:59:56.000 Webhead Mike says, first day done in the hospital with our first baby.

01:59:59.000 So super chatting in the tradition.

02:00:01.000 Congratulations.

02:00:02.000 Thank you very much.

02:00:03.000 Hey, buddy.

02:00:04.000 Congrats.

02:00:04.000 I just don't understand how we're having an issue with population when literally every night there's two or kids in the super chats that are born.

02:00:12.000 You really don't understand?

02:00:13.000 Mathematically, it seems like we're doing pretty good.

02:00:16.000 We're definitely at least in our audience.

02:00:18.000 Our audience, yes, but we're doing great.

02:00:20.000 As a country, I think that I'm going to trust the people that say that we are having a problem getting people to have kids. 0.99

02:00:28.000 Not in our audience.

02:00:30.000 Whatever that Discord's doing.

02:00:31.000 Ligma Johnson says Trump bloviates.

02:00:33.000 Take him seriously, not literally.

02:00:35.000 He might not have ended the war on day one, but if Biden didn't fan the flame, it might have been over by now.

02:00:41.000 I mean, look, man, I don't know, but I really don't think that Trump had the ability to.

02:00:47.000 And the reason is because Vladimir Putin has all of the cards.

02:00:52.000 Like, the United States, the American people, were not going to support actual military action against the Russians in Ukraine.

02:01:01.000 And that's the stick that the United States has, right?

02:01:04.000 The U.S. can do things like try and sanction.

02:01:07.000 The U.S. can do things like send weapons to Ukraine.

02:01:12.000 But the real, you know, when the rubber hits the road, it's the United States military actually taking decisive action.

02:01:19.000 And the U.S. isn't going to do it against Russia because of all the possibility of all those nuclear weapons. 0.69

02:01:25.000 So, you know, it may sound nice and Trump can talk a good game, but it was never really in the cards of Trump coming in and saying, hey, get out of here, Putin.

02:01:37.000 And Putin say, oh, I'm sorry, Donald.

02:01:39.000 You know, that wasn't going to happen.

02:01:40.000 Yeah, on that, Phil, just as much as I like to think America is how badass we are, and we can tell people what to do and how to live their lives in other countries.

02:01:48.000 Russia's, when you think about it, Russia is stronger than I would think than I want them to be because they're another world power.

02:01:54.000 They're China. 0.98

02:01:55.000 They're as strong as we can just kind of say, hey, dude, just stop what you're doing.

02:01:59.000 They're not as strong as they used to be, but to your point, they are still deadly.

02:02:02.000 There's only how many world powers are in there?

02:02:04.000 There's not.

02:02:06.000 No, the United States.

02:02:06.000 I love you.

02:02:08.000 But still, I know, I understand.

02:02:09.000 But these guys are still pretty strong themselves.

02:02:13.000 They could take what two small regions of Ukraine, frankly.

02:02:16.000 Very unimpressive.

02:02:17.000 Well, because of us, we gave them all the weapons.

02:02:21.000 Corey Stalling says, look at Trump's legacy.

02:02:24.000 It's amazing to me how much people claim Trump isn't a peace president.

02:02:27.000 He just ended a 35-year war with Armenia versus Azerbaijan.

02:02:31.000 Look, man, that's a big one.

02:02:32.000 Trump's ended that one, and there was one in Africa that he ended.

02:02:35.000 I mean, he does try to end wars.

02:02:37.000 It's true.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - August 09, 2025

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