Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - THE KILLING HAS JUST BEGUN | Timcast IRL #1455 w- Andrew Heaton

00:02:14.000 Chaos in Mexico.

00:02:16.000 U.S. tourists are currently trapped.

00:02:18.000 Airlines are shutting down.

00:02:19.000 Insane videos of car bombs, explosions, fires, gunshots ringing out, people running and screaming in airports.

00:02:29.000 All of this in retaliation for killing a cartel leader that some say, well, I should say, according to some reports, was at the behest of Donald Trump, who continued by saying it's only just begun.

00:02:42.000 25 Mexican National Guard were killed in these attacks.

00:02:47.000 And it is expected to continue.

00:02:48.000 Right now, we're getting reports that security forces are currently still battling cartel members, and it's popping off across the country.

00:02:56.000 Now, I would argue it seems the cartel's retaliation is basically we have ended all tourism in Mexico.

00:03:04.000 I mean, there's no possibility of you flying down to driving to Tijuana, flying down to Puerto Vallera, and having any kind of relaxing day because people are being told shelter in place.

00:03:13.000 It's kicking off.

00:03:15.000 Donald Trump and the rest of the Trump badmen are not going to back down from this.

00:03:19.000 So we don't know exactly where this will go, but some have said this could effectively be some kind of civil war.

00:03:26.000 I said it, but not for the reason you thought I would.

00:03:26.000 Ha ha!

00:03:28.000 Now, I don't know if you'd call it a civil war, but the cartels control various territories.

00:03:33.000 There's different cartels all over Mexico.

00:03:36.000 And many have argued it's effectively a narco-state because the government bends the knee to these cartels anytime they demand it.

00:03:42.000 We've seen all of these stories about mayors and politicians being killed when they try to stand up.

00:03:47.000 Now that Trump has effectively said, if you actually, I'm pretty sure we have to report.

00:03:51.000 Trump did say this.

00:03:52.000 The Trump bedmin told Mexico, if you don't stop the cartels, we will.

00:03:56.000 So Mexico launches an operation.

00:03:59.000 They kill El Mencho, and this is kicking off like crazy.

00:04:03.000 There's no reason to believe it's going to stop.

00:04:05.000 And so, again, tourism may be effectively over.

00:04:08.000 We're going to talk about that, but boy, oh boy, do we have a lot of news for you, my friends?

00:04:13.000 At Mar-a-Lago, a man with a shotgun and fuel breached the perimeter, reportedly aimed the weapon, and then was shot and killed.

00:04:22.000 Now, according to TMZ, his motivation may have been the Epstein files.

00:04:26.000 Getting absolutely crazy, my friends.

00:04:28.000 The U.K. has arrested the former ambassador to the U.S. from Britain over the Epstein file revelations.

00:04:35.000 He was leaking financial information to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:04:39.000 Holy crap.

00:04:40.000 And then the U.S. beat Canada in hockey.

00:04:44.000 Now, all those other stories are crazy, terrifying, but the one I know most Americans care about is that we gave a thorough trouncing to Canada in their game.

00:04:54.000 And there's a viral tweet where, I don't know, Trudeau or somebody was like, you know, you can try and take our country, but you'll never take a game from us.

00:05:02.000 And now everyone's retweeting it.

00:05:03.000 And the White House posted an image of a bald eagle crushing a Canada goose to death.

00:05:08.000 So, yeah, there's that.

00:05:10.000 And still, we got a lot of news.

00:05:12.000 In response, the U.S. men's team has agreed to attend the State of the Union address tomorrow.

00:05:18.000 And the women's team just can't find time in their schedules to do it, sparking a major backlash. 1.00

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00:07:41.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more.

00:07:43.000 We've got Andrew Heaton.

00:07:44.000 Hey, good to be back.

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00:07:46.000 What do you do?

00:07:46.000 Who are you?

00:07:47.000 I am a political satirist.

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00:07:51.000 I host a political podcast called The Political Orphanage, so-called, because I don't really like teams.

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00:08:50.000 What's up, Cardbanks hanging out?

00:08:51.000 Welcome back, Andrew.

00:08:52.000 Thank you.

00:08:54.000 Here's a story from WTOP.

00:08:56.000 Security forces keep up fight with cartel gunmen a day after the Mexican military killed a drug lord.

00:09:03.000 This is reported from the APA, in fact.

00:09:05.000 They say tourist shops in Tapalpa were open Monday and workers were on the job, but gunshots also rang out.

00:09:11.000 And in the street was a dead man lying beside a bullet-pocked vehicle.

00:09:16.000 Meanwhile, heavily armed Mexican security forces kept up the battle with cartel gunmen following the killing that sparked a surge in violence and put the country on edge.

00:09:25.000 I mean, these videos that are popping up are just absolutely nuts.

00:09:27.000 We've got this one allegedly from Tijuana.

00:09:30.000 I don't know exactly.

00:09:31.000 Look, take it all with a grain of salt.

00:09:33.000 Excuse me.

00:09:34.000 This does appear to be the Tijuana border.

00:09:36.000 You can see the border fence.

00:09:37.000 And we don't know if this is from today, but I don't see why it would not be.

00:09:40.000 Now in Tijuana, Mexico, the cartel are blocking roads by setting cars on fire.

00:09:46.000 This is a few miles from San Diego along the border.

00:09:50.000 And this area in Baja, California, is controlled by the.

00:09:55.000 Jalisco?

00:09:56.000 Jalisco, I bet.

00:09:56.000 Jalisco?

00:09:57.000 I don't know how to pronounce that stuff.

00:09:59.000 The cookie manufacturer?

00:10:00.000 Have I got that right?

00:10:01.000 Nabisco.

00:10:02.000 My bad.

00:10:03.000 Continue.

00:10:04.000 All those.

00:10:05.000 They're smuggling cookies into this country. 0.75

00:10:05.000 Very close. 0.75

00:10:07.000 You know, I mean, the videos that are coming out are absolutely insane.

00:10:12.000 And this is the effective end of tourism in Mexico.

00:10:16.000 No Costco is safe in Mexico now.

00:10:18.000 Listen, this is the cartel is basically saying, you hit us, we hit you back.

00:10:24.000 But this is not just, this is strategic.

00:10:27.000 They're firing guns in airports.

00:10:29.000 They're burning vehicles in the middle of the street in key tourist destinations.

00:10:34.000 They want the Mexican government to look at this and think we are about to go broke because tourism to Puerto Vallerta, to Tijuana, these are very, very important for the Mexican economy.

00:10:45.000 Americans love coming down there and partying.

00:10:47.000 It's slightly cheap.

00:10:48.000 It's less expensive for the Americans to do so.

00:10:50.000 Now you can't go.

00:10:52.000 Americans are being warned to shelter in place.

00:10:55.000 There was a video that Fox News had a report.

00:10:58.000 Some guy said that a car bomb went off and everyone said, quick, get inside.

00:11:02.000 You can't even go outside now.

00:11:03.000 So for the people who are trapped there, we hope that they can get out safely.

00:11:07.000 But now there's no, it's just, it's just off.

00:11:09.000 The spigot has turned off.

00:11:10.000 No tourism right now.

00:11:12.000 I imagine Trump's response to this is going to be a brutal, brutal crackdown.

00:11:19.000 The reporting is that apparently Trump told Mexico: if you do not take out these guys, we are going to do it.

00:11:25.000 The U.S. will launch strikes on Mexico.

00:11:28.000 And so Scheinbaum, the president, said, okay, we'll do it.

00:11:30.000 Now, reportedly, the U.S. provided the intelligence on the location of El Mencho.

00:11:37.000 They went in, and there's conflicting reports.

00:11:40.000 I read one report, according to cartel members, apparently, the U.S. went in with the intention to murder, to kill him, not to capture him.

00:11:48.000 And I think there was something like 70 dead in the operation.

00:11:51.000 The U.S. found out that he was with his romantic partner, a woman, I'm assuming.

00:11:55.000 I don't know why I'm assuming they call it Romantic Partner because they're leftists and me.

00:11:58.000 Maybe that means mistress is what that means.

00:12:00.000 It could be.

00:12:01.000 And apparently they went in guns blazing and just killed everybody.

00:12:03.000 But I've also seen reporting.

00:12:04.000 I believe the official narrative is they went in and arrested him.

00:12:08.000 And when the cartel moved in to try and get him out, a gunfight ensued and he died in the conflict.

00:12:15.000 Now, I don't know for sure, but what I can say is ain't no way Trump is watching this go down and thinking, I'm going to let the cartels do this.

00:12:22.000 No, this is what the left is trying to get the American right to do is to start blowing up streets and setting roadblocks and fury.

00:12:31.000 They provoked the cartel into flipping out.

00:12:33.000 The cartel took the bait and now they're going to get wiped off the victim by the military.

00:12:37.000 This is victim blaming.

00:12:40.000 Like you're saying that the cartels.

00:12:41.000 What else could they do?

00:12:42.000 You know, their leader gets killed.

00:12:43.000 What are they going to do?

00:12:44.000 Sit back and take it?

00:12:45.000 But I mean, the cartel are the ones that are actually causing the havoc.

00:12:48.000 The cartel are the ones that are blowing things up.

00:12:51.000 The cartel are the ones that are killing people.

00:12:53.000 75 people, 74 people of total have been killed in the operation in its aftermath.

00:12:57.000 25 security, 25 security forces of the National Guard have been killed.

00:13:02.000 This is not like you don't appease the bad guys.

00:13:05.000 Like you, you don't just sit there and say, oh, we can't put these guys in jail or go after these guys because they'll wreak havoc.

00:13:10.000 Then you, that's how you end up with this situation.

00:13:13.000 You end up with the government not controlling parts of the country because you're appeasing them.

00:13:18.000 You're saying we can't go after them because they'll attack back or they'll cause havoc.

00:13:23.000 You can appease them with that.

00:13:24.000 What they try and do is they buy off their opponent.

00:13:26.000 If that doesn't work, they'll try and assassinate the guy, which they just did with this guy.

00:13:30.000 Then you'll do full-scale invasion.

00:13:32.000 I have mixed feelings on this.

00:13:33.000 I used to play Dungeons and Dragons with El Mencho, who is a great DM.

00:13:38.000 And I was in a drug cartel in Mexico for about 10 years.

00:13:41.000 And they've got a good pension plan.

00:13:43.000 Nice.

00:13:44.000 And it feels like they've kind of gone off a different direction than when I was there.

00:13:47.000 I don't know.

00:13:47.000 Non-discriminatory policies.

00:13:49.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:13:49.000 No, they don't harass you or kick you out for being gay or Latino.

00:13:53.000 But it was all those, they smoked all that pot, man.

00:13:57.000 Well, it was trafficking meth and fentanyl.

00:14:00.000 And this is likely why Donald Trump said, take them down.

00:14:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:04.000 Just the other day, Trump had that angel, or it was today, I think, the Angel Moms event.

00:14:07.000 He said February 22nd is going to be, was it Angel Family Day?

00:14:07.000 Yeah, today.

00:14:11.000 And for those that aren't familiar, this is a term that means if you're an angel parent, it means your child was killed by an illegal immigrant. 0.97

00:14:20.000 So Trump declared yesterday as the day to commemorate all those who are killed by illegal immigrants.

00:14:25.000 And look, this is the guy, the Jalisco was responsible for the trafficking of fentanyl into the United States.

00:14:31.000 I think Trump called up Mexico and said, he's done.

00:14:34.000 And Mexico said, okay. 0.57

00:14:36.000 Because you know what's funny?

00:14:37.000 The cartels right now shutting down tourism are they're exacting leverage against the state.

00:14:42.000 They're saying, you want to go to Trump because he's threatening pain.

00:14:46.000 We're going to bring you pain.

00:14:47.000 We're going to shut down your tourism.

00:14:48.000 The problem is Trump can threaten so much more.

00:14:53.000 Yeah.

00:14:54.000 The cartels do not have the leverage here.

00:14:56.000 They can kill, they can bomb, they can fight, and they can scream.

00:14:59.000 And Trump can go to the Mexican government and say, we can end Mexico.

00:15:02.000 Okay.

00:15:03.000 The degree to which Trump can threaten Mexico is insane.

00:15:07.000 The degree to which one cartel can is scary, but nowhere near as scary as Donald Trump threatening to launch U.S. invasions of Mexico.

00:15:16.000 The cartel can wreak havoc.

00:15:18.000 They can cause unrest and stuff.

00:15:20.000 But the U.S. has spent 20 years building an apparatus, the past 25 years, building an apparatus to find people anywhere in the world.

00:15:28.000 We found Osama bin Laden hiding out in Pakistan, where the country was doing everything they could to help.

00:15:35.000 There's no one in Mexico that can hide from the United States military apparatus.

00:15:41.000 And we don't have to drop a ton of bombs.

00:15:44.000 We can literally send hellfires with swords on them and take out individuals without blowing up everything.

00:15:51.000 Like the United States as a military entity is beyond what anything the cartels are prepared to handle.

00:15:58.000 I wonder, like, of these cartel members, they're like getting bribed by the CIA right now to turn on each other.

00:16:03.000 And then when they turn on each other, the CIA's like, you're all dead anyway, and they kill them all anyway.

00:16:06.000 Why would the CIA bribe them?

00:16:08.000 Why would the CIA, CIA, bribe them?

00:16:08.000 Why what?

00:16:10.000 Get them to turn on each other, then it's one less enemy and one more ally.

00:16:13.000 They're going to turn on them.

00:16:14.000 When I was in the cartel, I took a lot of kickbacks from the CIA.

00:16:16.000 It was actually a big part of my job.

00:16:18.000 Yeah.

00:16:18.000 It'd be like, in addition to military operations, you're trying to bribe leadership to turn on each other and stuff.

00:16:23.000 And it's like with a limitless amount of money with the CIA tech they got.

00:16:28.000 They're fighting each other now because the cartels are going to start fighting each other for dominance over territory and stuff now.

00:16:34.000 They don't need the CIA to pay them to fight each other.

00:16:36.000 They want to fight each other to take over territory as it is.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, but I think this is it.

00:16:41.000 I think what you are seeing with Donald Trump's foreign policy is pretty dang nuts.

00:16:46.000 In his first term, he crushes ISIS.

00:16:48.000 In his first term, the war, the conflict in Ukraine starts dying down.

00:16:53.000 You get in the second term.

00:16:55.000 So I'm going to throw it to Biden for helping kick off the Russia war with Ukraine.

00:16:59.000 I blame Russia largely, but Biden's failed foreign policy with Afghanistan and Ukraine helped largely with Ukraine, helped contribute to it.

00:17:07.000 And then you have Donald Trump coming in.

00:17:08.000 What does he do?

00:17:08.000 He's taken out the drug boats in the Caribbean and the Pacific.

00:17:12.000 He, again, already ISIS crushed.

00:17:13.000 You got Abraham Accords. 0.88

00:17:15.000 Trump is working on his peace deals.

00:17:16.000 And so it looks like his interests are substantially more in line with domestic protection.

00:17:22.000 That being said, we have deep concerns about an escalating war with Iran.

00:17:25.000 So I'm not going to say it's out of the question.

00:17:27.000 But I think the cartels are cooked.

00:17:30.000 I think Obama, let me just say one more thing.

00:17:33.000 Obama wanted ISIS to exist.

00:17:36.000 The U.S. government was funding groups that eventually became ISIS, and they were utilizing weapons the U.S. had given to these people.

00:17:43.000 And Barack Obama gave thousands of guns to the cartels.

00:17:48.000 It was called Fast and Furious.

00:17:48.000 Fact.

00:17:50.000 Now, the excuse they give was they were going to give the guns to the cartels, but then track them and see how the guns were being used and who got them.

00:17:59.000 Yeah, you always give your enemies a bunch of automatic weapons.

00:18:03.000 Ridiculous.

00:18:04.000 And they actually found in the raid rocket launchers.

00:18:07.000 So some are questioning just what these are military grade.

00:18:11.000 To what degree the U.S. was actually providing support before Trump got in.

00:18:11.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 Tim, do you think that that was a willful action?

00:18:18.000 Like, I would read Fast and Furious as just incompetency on behalf of the DOJ, but like, are you inferring that they wanted to arm them rather than entrap them?

00:18:25.000 You know, I would typically say something like Hanlon's razor.

00:18:28.000 Are you familiar?

00:18:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:30.000 In this capacity, if I were to assume that Barack Obama was just incompetent in handing over thousands of weapons to cartel members, I would have to assume that he was a functional retard. 1.00

00:18:41.000 Maybe they were like— It's one thing to say incompetence.

00:18:44.000 That's like the dude spilled the coffee, and I'm not going to assume he did it on purpose.

00:18:49.000 What was the plan?

00:18:51.000 Okay, we're going to give them a bunch of guns.

00:18:52.000 They're going to go use them, killing a bunch of people, but then we'll know they did.

00:18:56.000 What?

00:18:56.000 No, no.

00:18:56.000 You give them the guns, then they take control from their government.

00:19:00.000 Then you have no choice but to go in and quell the resistance and take the country for yourself.

00:19:04.000 It's the same thing they did with ISIS. 0.59

00:19:06.000 They armed them.

00:19:07.000 Now they have an enemy to go invade and take.

00:19:09.000 Now we have Afghanistan. 0.98

00:19:10.000 Well, we armed our own enemies.

00:19:12.000 Technically correct in some circumstances.

00:19:14.000 The point of ISIS was to get Assad out of power. 0.83

00:19:17.000 The reason why the U.S. let, under Barack Obama, ISIS expand rapidly was because it was like we couldn't, I mean, we did invade Syria, which is funny because who remember was in that who remembers when that happened?

00:19:27.000 Does anybody remember a big declaration of an invasion of Syria?

00:19:30.000 Well, they tried in 2013, and I wasn't sure if he spoke high.

00:19:33.000 No, not then they didn't because Obama wouldn't do it.

00:19:35.000 Obama did do it.

00:19:36.000 Not officially.

00:19:37.000 Obama did do it.

00:19:38.000 And it was after Trump got out of his first term, Biden sent the troops back in.

00:19:41.000 Declaration of war is what I'm saying. 0.99

00:19:42.000 I know, exactly.

00:19:43.000 He went and did it illegally.

00:19:44.000 So anyway, the point is this.

00:19:45.000 Obama was like, let's let ISIS expand because they are attacking Assad's regime and they're going to knock Assad out of power.

00:19:53.000 The propaganda machine did everything to say Assad was an evil guy because he was aligned with Russia and we did not like him.

00:19:57.000 We wanted to build an oil pipeline into Europe to offset Russia's gas monopoly.

00:20:02.000 A lot of other factors.

00:20:03.000 That's a big one.

00:20:04.000 Assad said no.

00:20:05.000 Then we said, we're going to knock out your government.

00:20:07.000 So Obama lets ISIS happen.

00:20:10.000 We provide materials and weapons to the rebels, the Free Syrian Army Associates, which eventually get taken over by ISIS extremists and become a singular faction.

00:20:19.000 And the U.S. is happy to let it happen.

00:20:20.000 They say, we'll sit back and watch them tear each other apart.

00:20:23.000 Trump gets in and he flattens ISIS.

00:20:26.000 I don't think that Barack Obama gave those guns as an excuse to invade Mexico.

00:20:31.000 I think he gave the guns to the cartels because the cartels are part of what they need to happen for drug trafficking and human smuggling into the United States.

00:20:39.000 I think that the interests of the Unit Party, like the Democratic Party, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the neocons has never been, at least in the last 40 years, for the American people.

00:20:49.000 And you can criticize Donald Trump for a lot of things.

00:20:51.000 In fact, there's so many things it's hard to name, but at least you can look at his plans and what's going on and say, well, that's for the American people.

00:20:58.000 Can you elaborate on the Mexico bit?

00:20:59.000 Because I follow you in terms of arming ISIS. 0.88

00:21:01.000 We have a long history of arming people that turn out to be our enemies.

00:21:05.000 So that sounds plausible to me.

00:21:07.000 But why would they want to build up cartels in Mexico?

00:21:10.000 Like what would the Democratic Party get from having increased drugs?

00:21:13.000 Well, it's not the Democratic Party.

00:21:14.000 It's the Uniparty.

00:21:15.000 We're all the same.

00:21:15.000 It's the old Republicans.

00:21:16.000 Neither of them were going to go in and do ambush, didn't do anything about it.

00:21:19.000 Are you familiar with the crack epidemic in the 90s?

00:21:22.000 And it was how the CIA was basically facilitating all of this.

00:21:25.000 And the reporter who uncovered it committed suicide with two gunshots to his head.

00:21:30.000 You have to wonder about what was that all about?

00:21:31.000 Well, there's a lot of conspiracy theories, but the reporting is basically the CIA was funneling crack cocaine to black neighborhoods.

00:21:39.000 Your guess is as good as mine, I guess.

00:21:41.000 Suppress and depress minority populations, maybe. 1.00

00:21:44.000 I'd have to imagine that with the flow of fentanyl and other drugs and human trafficking, the Democrats have been encouraging, especially in the Biden administration, they would want these groups to be able to operate to do what they want to do.

00:21:55.000 Not only that, but it allows the U.S. to do, I would just call it extra-legal things undercover.

00:22:01.000 You can't go to the Mexican government and say, we need to transport 2 million people into our country through your border, because that's public record.

00:22:08.000 But you can certainly go to the cartels and say, our NGOs will take care of you.

00:22:12.000 You guys provide the security.

00:22:13.000 Here's a bunch of guns.

00:22:15.000 Here's what we want to happen.

00:22:17.000 So you think it was an immigration attempt?

00:22:19.000 No, no, no, no, I'm saying there's a multitude of factors involved in why the U.S. has been supporting illegal activity in Mexico.

00:22:28.000 If you go back to the 90s, you know that the United States intelligence, CIA largely, was helping funnel crack cocaine from Mexico into the United States.

00:22:38.000 And I guess one could only surmise as to the purpose, but they were flooding black neighborhoods, black communities with crack cocaine. 0.82

00:22:45.000 I believe the working theory is that they were trying to suppress and depress black population.

00:22:51.000 Perhaps.

00:22:52.000 I mean, people argue that.

00:22:54.000 As for why he would be giving them guns, it's because they do extra-legal things that the U.S. needs or wants them to do.

00:23:01.000 So it's powerful to have these groups who are willing to do anything for money at your behest.

00:23:06.000 I think that it's a largely anarcho-state.

00:23:09.000 You take a look at Afghanistan, for instance, the United States, where we got soldiers in Afghanistan guarding poppy fields because it's a large portion of their economy pumping out heroin.

00:23:18.000 I think that the government of the United States pre-Donald Trump, like, you know, post-World War II, or probably even before that, has not been operating for the betterment of mankind, but for control.

00:23:29.000 And you need, as I think Ian brings up quite a bit, the Henry Kissinger's, what is it called?

00:23:35.000 Limited war principle.

00:23:36.000 Limited war principle.

00:23:37.000 You want there to be a degree of chaos.

00:23:40.000 That's why I said I half agree with you when you said, fund the enemy so that you can take a stand against them.

00:23:45.000 It's in that realm.

00:23:46.000 I will also say, if I knew exactly what their intentions were, I'd have no problem coming out and say it.

00:23:51.000 But the only thing I can say is I don't believe Obama is so stupid that he gave a bunch of automatic weapons to cartel members on accident.

00:24:03.000 I think with the Mexico thing, I'm still on Hanlon's Razor, but I share your skepticism of the kind of neocon project that's been going on in the country.

00:24:14.000 So entertain, would you then, sir?

00:24:17.000 Why give 2,000 or more automatic weapons to cartel members?

00:24:22.000 It's been a while since I've looked at that, right?

00:24:24.000 But that was Eric Holder with the DOJ.

00:24:26.000 As I recall, the plan was, which they botched, and nobody was prosecuted either.

00:24:30.000 So there are different problems with it.

00:24:32.000 But as I recall, the plan was to get the guns out and then intercept them before they were actually used.

00:24:38.000 It wasn't to just arm them.

00:24:40.000 Again, I'm on the side of incompetence.

00:24:40.000 I don't know.

00:24:42.000 I'm sorry, you're saying two plus two equals five.

00:24:45.000 Why do you need to send guns to intercept them when you can just go as the United States government and arrest the people?

00:24:52.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:24:53.000 I don't know the deal.

00:24:54.000 There's no logic whatsoever in the plan to give automatic weapons to cartel members.

00:24:59.000 You don't need to.

00:25:00.000 They're already buying guns from somewhere.

00:25:02.000 They already have weapons, military-grade rocket launchers.

00:25:05.000 Trump isn't doing any of this stuff.

00:25:07.000 You need only go to the Mexican government and say, shut down the cartels now.

00:25:11.000 We know they're selling drugs.

00:25:13.000 We know they're stealing avocado farms now.

00:25:16.000 There is literally no logical plan, none whatsoever.

00:25:20.000 So while I typically can look at Hanlon's razor for a lot of things, not this.

00:25:25.000 I'm sorry, like if Ian gave a drug dealer 10 grand.

00:25:29.000 What Ian did give a drug dealer 10 grand.

00:25:31.000 I know I was making a point.

00:25:33.000 No, no, listen.

00:25:35.000 If Ian walked up to a drug dealer and handed him 10 grand, do you think when they come and arrest Ian and he goes, no, no, you don't understand.

00:25:42.000 I gave him the money so that later on I could catch him with the money, they'd say, what?

00:25:47.000 They use entrapment regularly, right?

00:25:49.000 Like that is a thing that why do you need to entrap the cartels when you know what they're doing and you know who they are?

00:25:53.000 They might have been trying to track the people.

00:25:55.000 I don't know the ins and outs of it.

00:25:56.000 I see who they gave the weapons to because they were.

00:25:58.000 I just find it I find it incredibly hard to believe that Biden's government, knowing the cartels are murdering people, killing politicians, needed some kind of pretext to go in and do anything about it.

00:25:58.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:12.000 So instead, they hand a bunch of guns to people they know who are violent murderer criminals and then go, oopsie, just like when Obama.

00:26:17.000 You have to remember, I've made a career out of claiming the government's incompetence.

00:26:20.000 So that is my general deal.

00:26:21.000 Was the government incompetent when they killed Abdul Rahman Al-Alaki?

00:26:24.000 Remind me of who that is?

00:26:25.000 16-year-old American citizen visiting Yemen was at a civilian restaurant and Obama ordered a drone strike blowing the restaurant up.

00:26:32.000 No, I'd say that's illegal and unconstitutional.

00:26:34.000 He claimed it was an accident.

00:26:36.000 He said, oops, we were targeting a terror leader.

00:26:39.000 We didn't realize that it was the wrong target.

00:26:41.000 I don't believe for a second that Obama, when he's, listen, they come to him and they say, okay, president, we want to blow up, we have a target to blow up.

00:26:52.000 And Obama goes, okay, where is it at?

00:26:54.000 And he goes, Yemen.

00:26:55.000 And Obama goes, okay.

00:26:56.000 And are we at war with Yemen?

00:26:57.000 No, sir.

00:26:58.000 Okay, what's the target?

00:26:59.000 It's a restaurant.

00:27:01.000 Is it a military restaurant?

00:27:01.000 Okay.

00:27:02.000 No, sir.

00:27:03.000 It's a civilian restaurant.

00:27:04.000 Uh-huh.

00:27:05.000 So a civilian restaurant in a country we are not at war with, and you want to blow it up. 0.99

00:27:09.000 Yes, sir.

00:27:10.000 Why?

00:27:11.000 Terrorists did it.

00:27:12.000 Okay, go ahead and do it.

00:27:13.000 At bare minimum, Obama was like massacre a bunch of civilians in a country not at war with.

00:27:17.000 You are arguing that the Obama administration was very competent then.

00:27:21.000 Absolutely, the Obama administration was competent.

00:27:24.000 There are so many things one could argue about incompetence with Obama, but Obama is not a moron.

00:27:29.000 Obama was a very, very sharp, very charismatic, cunning individual.

00:27:33.000 Look at the Russia Gate hoax.

00:27:35.000 I mean, Obama's meeting with Comey, Sally Yates, who was Biden there?

00:27:39.000 And they're effectively planning to go after Donald Trump with this whole nonsense.

00:27:44.000 These people were cold, calculating.

00:27:46.000 And you know what?

00:27:47.000 The only thing I can give for them in incompetence is that they couldn't get Hillary Clinton across the finish line. 0.99

00:27:53.000 But again, so I look at what the Obama administration does, and I think it's silly to say that giving thousands of guns to cartel members was just an oopsie-daisy because Trump doesn't need any of that pretext.

00:28:06.000 He goes to Scheinbaum and says, do it or we will.

00:28:09.000 And she does it. 0.87

00:28:10.000 Can you flush out for me what you see Trump's foreign policy as?

00:28:14.000 And what I mean by that is when he was running in 2016, I was hanging out with lots of libertarians.

00:28:18.000 The pro-Trump argument amongst the libertarian crowd was: Hillary's a known war hawk. 1.00

00:28:22.000 Trump is an isolationist.

00:28:24.000 Vote for Trump.

00:28:24.000 You're going to get peace.

00:28:25.000 But I wouldn't describe this term as isolationist, but at the same time, we're not going into full-blown war.

00:28:30.000 So I'm trying to figure out what's going on.

00:28:31.000 How do you think?

00:28:31.000 America first.

00:28:34.000 Easy way to explain it.

00:28:36.000 The priorities of the Donald Trump administration as it comes to foreign issues and military issues is about what is going to benefit the United States the most.

00:28:45.000 That being said, he's far from perfect.

00:28:48.000 I don't want to see a war with Iran.

00:28:50.000 I have a general idea of why he's doing it.

00:28:51.000 No, it's not because Israel controls the United States with puppet strings, but some people are just wackaloons.

00:28:56.000 And I would argue that Trump is largely imperfect.

00:28:58.000 But look at the fervor over Trump striking these drug boats. 0.84

00:29:06.000 I mean, we see videos of boats carrying drugs blown up.

00:29:11.000 And then there's an argument that some of them are not.

00:29:12.000 They're just fishing boats and they're civilians.

00:29:14.000 And I say, okay, well, that's bad, right?

00:29:16.000 Let's take a look into that.

00:29:17.000 Let's get a full report.

00:29:19.000 Let's get an investigation and make a determination if there was military action that was taken against civilians, for which we will make an attempt to determine what the penalties of that will be.

00:29:28.000 Barack Obama murdered people.

00:29:29.000 He murdered children.

00:29:31.000 He murdered innocent civilians.

00:29:33.000 He killed American citizens. 0.77

00:29:36.000 No one cares.

00:29:39.000 And I know the left always says, what about ism?

00:29:41.000 And I say, no, no, no, no.

00:29:42.000 It's about actions speaking louder than words.

00:29:44.000 When Donald Trump targets boats shuttling drugs to the U.S. or largely to Europe in the Caribbean, they lose their minds over it, but they don't say a damn thing when Barack Obama was murdering Americans.

00:30:01.000 So I don't believe for two seconds they actually care.

00:30:04.000 Anyway, real quick, your point about Trump's foreign policy is: well, he tried not to be involved in the Ukraine-Russia stuff, but oh boy, he can't figure that one out.

00:30:12.000 The Iran stuff is troubling, but Iran is basically shutting down the Red Sea.

00:30:17.000 They're funding these terror groups, Houthi rebels in Yemen.

00:30:20.000 The Houthis are then firing on ships in the Red Sea.

00:30:23.000 And the Red Sea, of course, is a Suez Canal.

00:30:25.000 There are three major trade vectors for global trade.

00:30:29.000 You've got Panama, which Trump is trying to regain control of.

00:30:31.000 The Suez, which we do control, and Trump, the conflict with Iran, is largely around whether or not we can maintain security in that region.

00:30:38.000 And then, of course, Greenland and Canada, which is the Northwest Passage.

00:30:41.000 So Trump is, I would argue, retracted on liberal economic order worldview, but not abandoning of it, and largely focused on securing American national benefits.

00:30:55.000 So the cartels are shuttling fentanyl and drugs in the United States.

00:30:59.000 Trump says, shut it down.

00:31:00.000 These boats are transporting drugs, funding these operations.

00:31:03.000 Shut it down.

00:31:03.000 Venezuela stole billions of dollars of U.S. oil assets in 2009.

00:31:08.000 Trump says, no, we're shutting that down.

00:31:11.000 So I would argue maybe it's 60, 65%.

00:31:14.000 It's going to be a direct repercussion, or the direct repression is going to be the benefit to the American people, like tariffs.

00:31:20.000 I would argue that the perspective on Ukraine and Iran largely is, will it ultimately benefit America?

00:31:26.000 But that's where you're starting to stretch it into global security for the betterment of America.

00:31:30.000 I can understand why my libertarian friends are largely challenging of that notion.

00:31:35.000 But I would also say the libertarians that are critical of it, I respect.

00:31:40.000 The libertarians that are isolationist have no idea what's going on in the world.

00:31:44.000 I'm an intervention skeptic.

00:31:46.000 So that is to say, the default is no.

00:31:49.000 You might be able to talk me into it.

00:31:52.000 Where I struggle with that analysis of Trump is it does sound like it requires me to sign off an intentionality of looking at what were the intentions of the Obama administration, what are the intentions of the Trump administration.

00:32:03.000 I don't really like either.

00:32:05.000 And so it's harder for me to put that into a rubric that I can follow.

00:32:07.000 But the basic idea would just be whatever's strategically the best thing for America.

00:32:12.000 Well, yes.

00:32:14.000 Tariffs, for instance.

00:32:16.000 Oh, good.

00:32:16.000 Anybody who...

00:32:17.000 We can find out tariffs.

00:32:18.000 Anybody who's interested in, well, let's pull up the latitude tariff.

00:32:18.000 Good.

00:32:23.000 said we ain't we ain't backing down yeah so let me let me let me let me grab a uh he's doing a 10 tariff for 150 days as authorized by the 1975 nea act that preceded aipa Let me – where's the – I thought I had that post pulled up where Trump is like, we're going to do it anyway.

00:32:40.000 But I want to get the – here we go.

00:32:44.000 Here we go.

00:32:44.000 Trump threatens.

00:32:47.000 Let's pull this up.

00:32:49.000 All right, everybody.

00:32:50.000 We got the story from the AP following the Supreme Court's decision that Trump cannot enact emergency tariffs under this one particular law.

00:32:59.000 Donald Trump has come out and said he's going to increase tariffs anyway, citing three other laws from the 70s.

00:33:05.000 He's now warning countries to abide by tariff deals despite the Supreme Court decision.

00:33:11.000 Any country that wants to play games, the Supreme Court decision Trump posted, will be met with a much higher tariff and worse than that which they just recently agreed to.

00:33:19.000 He said Saturday that he wants a global tariff of 15% up from 10.

00:33:24.000 He announced immediately after the ruling.

00:33:25.000 The court's decision struck down tariffs Trump had imposed on nearly every country using an emergency powers law, but the Republican president won't let go of his favorite, albeit now more limited, tool for rewriting the rules of global commerce and applying international pressure.

00:33:38.000 So I am of the opinion that the tariffs are quite possibly the best thing for the United States.

00:33:45.000 I am a huge, huge fan, and I believe that anybody who is truly interested in the betterment of the United States would support this, and anybody who either wants to extract value from the system to its decay would oppose it.

00:33:57.000 The people that I view that are, there's two groups of people that I believe are in opposition to the tariffs.

00:34:04.000 Those that want to extract the value from this country to its demise, and those who don't understand what is going on in this country.

00:34:11.000 I suppose I'd be in the latter camp then.

00:34:13.000 You don't understand what's going on in the country?

00:34:15.000 If I have to pick one of those two, I think comparative advantage is a thing.

00:34:20.000 I think trade is good.

00:34:21.000 The best argument that I've heard in terms of the Trump tariffs is that there are situations where we need to use leverage to compel other countries to quit doing bad things.

00:34:31.000 And it would be better to use tariffs than to do military interventions.

00:34:35.000 Completely disagree with tariffs as a means of military.

00:34:37.000 Oh, no, like as a way of avoiding military stuff, right?

00:34:40.000 This is the best argument I've heard is that China is doing they've got a predatory IP system.

00:34:48.000 Other countries have tariffs.

00:34:49.000 We could use punitive tariffs to try to lower it.

00:34:51.000 So if you're using tariffs as a temporary leverage to try to get a policy goal, that makes sense to me.

00:34:56.000 The idea that we have a kind of zero-sum fixed amount of wealth and that if we are buying things from other countries, they're extracting wealth, I don't think that that's sound on that.

00:35:06.000 Is your argument graph go up?

00:35:07.000 My argument graph, what do you mean?

00:35:09.000 Is your argument, comma, graph go up?

00:35:13.000 Yeah.

00:35:14.000 So the typical libertarian argument is described by a lot of people as graph go up.

00:35:19.000 And liberals have adopted this recently as well.

00:35:21.000 It means that on the macro, we can see a general economic improvement in the short term, so it's worth doing.

00:35:28.000 I would say my argument is that comparative advantage is real.

00:35:31.000 So I have a company that manufactures products.

00:35:34.000 How do I compete with Chinese slaves? 1.00

00:35:37.000 If we've actually got a supply line that's got slavery in it, I'd be fine with abolishing that.

00:35:42.000 100%.

00:35:42.000 It's all of it.

00:35:44.000 All things that we get from Chinese people. 0.98

00:35:46.000 Is 25 cents an hour not slave labor because they choose to work for that much?

00:35:50.000 There's a difference between.

00:35:50.000 No.

00:35:51.000 How do my employees, my manufacturing employees, compete with a guy who makes 25 cents an hour?

00:35:56.000 They got to find a way to compete.

00:35:57.000 So when my industry dies because we are spending 10 times as much to ship lumber to China to manufacture it with slave labor, sorry, peasant labor, and send it back to the United States, how is that good for us, our country, and our children? 0.97

00:36:11.000 So two things.

00:36:12.000 First, I want to go ahead and hit the slave labor thing, right?

00:36:14.000 If there's actual involuntary servitude going on, that's immoral.

00:36:18.000 I'm being hyperbolic.

00:36:18.000 I'm talking about people who would otherwise work for better wages with healthcare, but instead are getting paid 50 cents an hour to do this work.

00:36:28.000 If we're removing actual slavery from the equation, right?

00:36:31.000 Peasant labor.

00:36:31.000 Yeah, peasant labor, right?

00:36:33.000 The one thing they can compete on, lower wages, we end up being able to import things cheaper.

00:36:38.000 It makes everybody better off in the long run.

00:36:40.000 That's completely incorrect.

00:36:43.000 You're flat out wrong.

00:36:44.000 When you look at like American manufacturing, you've got intermediate parts that come in from other countries.

00:36:48.000 So if you want to have cars in America, you need to be able to get parts from other countries.

00:36:51.000 Why?

00:36:52.000 Because if you raise the prices on that, you raise the price on the consumer and everything costs more.

00:36:55.000 And if everything costs – so are you familiar with the old apocryphal legend of Henry Ford and the Ford factory?

00:37:03.000 Yes, I'm familiar with the apocryphal.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, where he had to pay people enough.

00:37:05.000 He argued that if I pay a higher rate, then the employees actually buy the cars from me on a loan, and then they're paying me back the money I'm paying them and then earning a percentage off the excess cars we produce.

00:37:17.000 I haven't heard the loan bit, but I do think it's apocryphal.

00:37:19.000 Well, it's their financing.

00:37:20.000 They can't afford to buy the car outright, but they're paid enough to where they can say, okay, I can save up for this, and then a portion of their, they're buying the product back from the guy where they're making it a premium.

00:37:29.000 But like, you're familiar with comparative advantage, right?

00:37:31.000 Like, you know the basic premise behind that?

00:37:33.000 May I enlighten people a little bit?

00:37:35.000 Might be unfamiliar with it.

00:37:36.000 So let's say I'm Scotland and you're France. 0.76

00:37:39.000 I, as Scotland, am very good at making sheep.

00:37:41.000 I'm not very good at making wine.

00:37:42.000 Like, Scottish wine would like presumably be very sweet.

00:37:46.000 You'd probably fry it.

00:37:47.000 It wouldn't be particularly good.

00:37:49.000 Meanwhile— Well, that could be great.

00:37:51.000 You know what?

00:37:51.000 Actually, I've got to give it a - like, we're going to call it Scottish prison wine.

00:37:54.000 I would try it.

00:37:55.000 Scottish prison wine, but they're probably not going to produce very much of it because it's not very good for making grapes, right?

00:37:59.000 But they're very good at making sheep.

00:38:00.000 Meanwhile, France, really good at making grapes, large amount of grapes, very bad at making sheep comparatively, right?

00:38:07.000 They probably have some sheep.

00:38:08.000 If the Scots go, well, we want to protect our nascent wine industry, so we're going to put tariffs on the French wine industry, then France is going to respond by putting tariffs on wool coming in from Scotland.

00:38:18.000 Indeed.

00:38:19.000 The result is you're going to get more wine in Scotland, but you're going to get less wine overall in the equation.

00:38:23.000 You're going to get more sheep in France, but you're going to have less sheep overall.

00:38:27.000 Everybody gets less wine and less sheep.

00:38:28.000 Now, you said that the Scottish wine was just no good, right?

00:38:34.000 We could just focus on quantity.

00:38:35.000 They're not going to be able to produce as much of it.

00:38:37.000 So you're going to use both countries in a less productive manner.

00:38:40.000 Is it better for the people of Scotland and the generational wine farmers to have their industry destroyed because you, as a consumer, want to save $3 on your wine?

00:38:49.000 Or is it fair to say that the bustling wine industry in Scotland, which is storied and has legacy, deserves a chance to survive for its community, for its culture?

00:38:59.000 They should absolutely be able to get a lot of people.

00:39:00.000 How do they compete?

00:39:02.000 Well, you might want to get Scottish wine, but if it's something that they can't produce that people want.

00:39:08.000 France has got Chinese peasants working 25 cents an hour producing garbage wine that Scotland can't compete against. 1.00

00:39:14.000 The wine is actually no good.

00:39:16.000 And now what's going to happen is the Scots are going to put more of that effort into sheep, and they're going to produce more sheep.

00:39:21.000 This is just not correct.

00:39:22.000 Shift their economy to something that's more productive.

00:39:24.000 So I'll give you an example that I often give to most people, which is it's personal.

00:39:30.000 Skateboarding is dead.

00:39:31.000 It's an Olympic sport, but it's completely dead.

00:39:33.000 I sold, we sold something like 500 boards in a month.

00:39:37.000 Shocking industry experts asking me, Tim, how did you sell 500 skateboards?

00:39:42.000 And I said, I went on my show and said, go to boonieshq.com and buy the skateboards.

00:39:47.000 The pros are now working for Uber Eats.

00:39:50.000 They are doing delivery driving for Amazon.

00:39:53.000 They no longer have the time or ability, for the most part, to be professionals in their own sport.

00:39:59.000 There's videos popping up of some of the best professional skateboarders who Olympic contenders who now work for Home Depot making minimum wage.

00:40:06.000 You know why?

00:40:07.000 Because the factories that produce skateboards, instead of employing Americans and marketing a product to Americans, offshored all the manufacturing to China, where we cut down wood in Canada, import it to the United States, send it to China.

00:40:21.000 Chinese peasants make the boards for pennies on the dollar, send back cheap Chinese crap, and now there's no factories, no employees, and no pro skateboarders. 1.00

00:40:28.000 If you go to Japan and China, they have skateboarding up the wazoo.

00:40:31.000 Every new pro is some 15-year-old Japanese kid, and the country that invented the Olympic global phenomenon has lost control of it because we gave it away. 0.76

00:40:41.000 Because we told people in this country, which would you rather buy?

00:40:45.000 The $50 American-made skateboard or the $30 Chinese-made skateboard.

00:40:49.000 And to be honest, when the people walked into the shop to buy a board, they didn't know the difference.

00:40:53.000 And they said, $30 sounds good to me if it works.

00:40:55.000 Well, guess what happened?

00:40:56.000 Every American worker who grew up whose dad owned a wood shop lost their job and now they don't skate anymore.

00:41:02.000 Their kids, the Gen Z, and this is across the board, skateboarding is personal for me.

00:41:05.000 I know people probably don't care about it, but it's the perfect example of how we are willing to spend 10 times as much on the energy to send our raw materials to China so peasants can do it and Americans lose their jobs. 0.88

00:41:16.000 And then when no American has the job, what company is going to promote and market the new product to kids?

00:41:22.000 It doesn't exist anymore.

00:41:24.000 It's in China.

00:41:24.000 So when you go to China, what do you find?

00:41:26.000 Thousands of kids at their skate parks.

00:41:28.000 When you go to Japan, what do you find?

00:41:29.000 They're opening new skate parks like crazy.

00:41:32.000 They're launching TV shows about skateboarding.

00:41:34.000 We invent it in California and we gave it away and it's not coming back.

00:41:38.000 I lament that there's been a dearth of professional skating and that it's something that's near and dear to you.

00:41:44.000 So why?

00:41:45.000 What is stopping the professional skateboarders from just buying the skateboards that they have in China and Japan?

00:41:50.000 There's no one skateboarding anymore.

00:41:52.000 Because the skateboards have declining quality?

00:41:55.000 The companies used to go to parks and they'd say, look at this skateboard we made down the street.

00:41:59.000 Why don't you try it there, sonny?

00:42:01.000 And the kid would then try it.

00:42:02.000 And the factory had five to 10 employees.

00:42:04.000 And those employees would come home and give the extra boards to their kids. 0.66

00:42:08.000 And the company would say, we're going to put together a skate team to market this.

00:42:11.000 That company's in China now.

00:42:12.000 So that guy going to the park, he's Chinese.

00:42:14.000 There's no American, there's very few American manufacturers.

00:42:17.000 It takes us weeks to produce because we're desperately trying to rebuild an industry while we're competing with China.

00:42:24.000 And they tell me on the phone, Tim, if you get the Chinese to do it, we'll get your boards $5 cheaper. 0.99

00:42:29.000 And I say, I don't want a $5 cheaper board.

00:42:32.000 I want skateboarding back.

00:42:33.000 I want this.

00:42:34.000 Can you not just compete on quality?

00:42:35.000 I mean, wouldn't people pay a better price?

00:42:37.000 Quality is fantastic.

00:42:38.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 Well, I mean, like, I think that that's good.

00:42:41.000 You might want a cheap board or a high-quality board.

00:42:44.000 Maybe we compete on quality.

00:42:45.000 What you are missing is that the culture around this industry is gone because there's no economic support.

00:42:53.000 There's no factories.

00:42:54.000 There's no dads.

00:42:55.000 There's no marketing endeavor.

00:42:56.000 It doesn't exist anymore.

00:42:58.000 It's in China.

00:42:58.000 So in China, skateboarding is exploding like crazy.

00:43:01.000 In Japan, they're launching TV shows for skateboarding.

00:43:04.000 And today in the United States, we don't even have the big skateboard contests anymore.

00:43:07.000 They're failing and falling apart.

00:43:09.000 And all the top pros are just little Japanese kids. 1.00

00:43:11.000 Now I got no beef with the Japanese kids.

00:43:13.000 Some of the best skateboarders, they're all Japanese.

00:43:15.000 I'm pissed off that the country that made this, that invented it, that inspired the world, gave it all away.

00:43:21.000 And now where I live in my home country, I, for the life of me, well, actually, I'll say this.

00:43:26.000 One of the advantages to it is that I can go to a pro skateboarder and give them $500 and they'll come and they'll produce content because they're so desperate for money.

00:43:34.000 And what I tell all these guys, we stopped doing our games of skate events because of security issues.

00:43:39.000 We're working on trying to figure out how to do them again.

00:43:42.000 We told the pros you get $3,000 if you win and you get a guarantee just for showing up.

00:43:48.000 And they all show up and they beg to come and compete because these guys are working at Home Depot.

00:43:53.000 They're working for Uber Eats.

00:43:54.000 They're driving cars.

00:43:55.000 There is no, this is an Olympic sport.

00:43:58.000 And now there's very few people left.

00:44:00.000 Would you want to have government support for this industry where they get subsidized?

00:44:02.000 Subsidies?

00:44:04.000 I would like the government to say, if you tell, if you move your factory to China, we will charge you 30% on the way back in so that you will not be competitive in the marketplace.

00:44:16.000 It's two different things.

00:44:17.000 The competitiveness of the skateboard itself and then the industry of skateboarding, it's similar to like, are bikes cheap to make?

00:44:24.000 Are they Chinese bikes?

00:44:25.000 But then the cycling community and the cycling industry and cycling for the Olympics and stuff.

00:44:30.000 Is it necessary?

00:44:32.000 It's not a direct relationship.

00:44:33.000 It's more of a correlationary relationship.

00:44:35.000 It's a direct relationship.

00:44:36.000 There's a famous photo of a man in a suit in the 1960s, I believe it was, riding a little fishboard, one of the OG skateboards in Central Park.

00:44:43.000 It's a great mystery to figure out who this man is and no one really knows.

00:44:46.000 That event that became iconic where it's like a guy in a suit and he's like cruising was because a company that made skateboards announced they were having an event in Central Park and encouraged everyone to come.

00:44:57.000 They told families, they told kids, they went and promoted it in New York City and then everyone showed up.

00:45:01.000 Well, not everyone, but a lot of people showed up.

00:45:03.000 And skateboarding started to get more and more popular in the United States.

00:45:06.000 The factories and the companies are gone.

00:45:09.000 And one of the things that's the same thing.

00:45:09.000 I just want to make sure I understand this.

00:45:11.000 So they were like $50 boards here.

00:45:13.000 They're $35 in China.

00:45:15.000 And because the boards are cheaper in China, the industry has just imploded here.

00:45:19.000 Yes.

00:45:20.000 But people can still buy it.

00:45:21.000 Because you don't have to make your own board.

00:45:24.000 So you can order your Chinese-made board owned by what I would call a vapor brand.

00:45:29.000 So some of the biggest brands in skateboarding have collapsed.

00:45:31.000 All the skateboard companies are going out of business because I would refer to them as vapor companies.

00:45:35.000 They slap a lug on a board made in China and then tell people to order it on the internet. 0.97

00:45:40.000 The only problem is there's no one.

00:45:42.000 Okay.

00:45:43.000 You have a factory, right?

00:45:44.000 It's 1960.

00:45:45.000 You have a wood shop and you make skateboards.

00:45:47.000 You say, how can we sell more of these?

00:45:49.000 You got to get kids to skate.

00:45:50.000 So what do you do?

00:45:51.000 You go to the park, you pop up some tents, you give out free lemonade and ice cream and you say, try the skateboard.

00:45:56.000 The kids are all excited and ecstatic.

00:45:58.000 And the parents go, I think I'll get some of these for my kids.

00:46:00.000 And so they buy a bunch.

00:46:01.000 Well, now you don't have any factories.

00:46:03.000 You don't have any shops.

00:46:04.000 They can still, I mean, like, so the boards are cheaper now than they were when it was made in America?

00:46:08.000 Indeed.

00:46:09.000 And the result is there's fewer people skateboarding?

00:46:11.000 See, this is what I was saying about people who don't understand the economic chain.

00:46:11.000 Yes.

00:46:16.000 They simply look at the numbers improve.

00:46:18.000 So what's the problem?

00:46:19.000 The problem is when a guy shows up to a wood shop and says, I don't know nothing about skateboarding.

00:46:23.000 You say, well, we need someone who knows wood.

00:46:25.000 I certainly know wood.

00:46:26.000 How would you like a job at a wood shop?

00:46:27.000 I'd love one.

00:46:28.000 Then he goes home with some samples and he gives them to his kids.

00:46:31.000 And his kids go to their friends and their friends say, wow, I like this.

00:46:34.000 Let's do more.

00:46:35.000 Now this man working at the factory starts talking to his neighbors.

00:46:38.000 We do skateboarding.

00:46:38.000 I work in a wood shop.

00:46:39.000 Hey, it's an Olympic sport.

00:46:40.000 We're actually sponsoring some of the Olympic athletes.

00:46:43.000 Then a rival company pops up and says the kids can't get enough of these things.

00:46:43.000 It's big.

00:46:46.000 We need a new factory.

00:46:48.000 All those factories are gone.

00:46:49.000 There's no longer a guy going to his kid.

00:46:51.000 There's no longer a company going to the park.

00:46:53.000 The demos don't exist.

00:46:54.000 And one of the biggest brands in American skateboard history moved to Japan.

00:46:59.000 My guess would be that if you were to buy a keyboard today, like a piano keyboard, you're probably going to get a Casio or something like that.

00:47:05.000 I don't think that we've had like a limited amount of people learning piano or to use the woodshop example, like guitars are still abundant.

00:47:12.000 People are still playing guitar.

00:47:13.000 I don't know where they come from.

00:47:14.000 It wouldn't surprise me if they're not from the United States. 0.94

00:47:17.000 I think the issue around something like skateboarding is that it's decently new relative to, say, like piano, which has been around and is global.

00:47:27.000 And there's tremendous opportunity.

00:47:29.000 What I would still argue, though, is, as someone who is not a pianist, I can only refer to the things in which I'm involved in, and I can stress the same thing is happening in other industries.

00:47:39.000 So I can cite surfing, snowboarding, and skiing as being massively impacted by foreign manufacturing.

00:47:48.000 And it's because the boards are lesser quality, so people aren't skating as much?

00:47:52.000 It's because there's no culture anymore.

00:47:54.000 So do you know culture works?

00:47:56.000 Yeah, but I don't want the government propping up culture.

00:47:58.000 Like, I think I don't want the government punishing other people for making economic choices.

00:48:03.000 What do you mean punishing other people?

00:48:04.000 Well, because you're taxing me for buying a cheaper skateboard.

00:48:07.000 Yep.

00:48:08.000 Yeah, I don't think you should do that.

00:48:09.000 And to back up a little bit, I question this whole idea that it's a lack of tariffs and protectionism that's resulted in lack of American manufacturing.

00:48:17.000 So you look at like no one does this with farmers.

00:48:20.000 Like if you go back to like 1880, 90% of the American workforce was farmers.

00:48:25.000 Like it's not because we started importing food that we do.

00:48:27.000 It's because we got really, really good at making food.

00:48:30.000 So my uncle's a farmer.

00:48:32.000 He's basically like an acronym.

00:48:34.000 Let's go macro.

00:48:35.000 Let's go macro.

00:48:36.000 Tell me about Detroit.

00:48:37.000 Detroit with manufacturing, I'd say has more to do with unions and with just the cost of manufacturing cars in general.

00:48:44.000 Why are people right?

00:48:45.000 So agreed.

00:48:46.000 So if we stopped allowing companies to move their factories to Mexico or Indonesia or other countries, it would be a little bit more expensive, but there would be a bustling auto industry in Michigan.

00:48:58.000 So let's kind of stick with that for a minute.

00:49:00.000 It's like steel, for example.

00:49:01.000 Steel is one of the things Trump talks about regularly.

00:49:04.000 We export more steel now than we did in the 1980s.

00:49:06.000 The difference is we need fewer people to do the steel.

00:49:09.000 We came up with better innovations for it, and therefore we have fewer people working in it, but the actual exports are fine.

00:49:14.000 With cars, like most of the cars we get in the United States, even if they're foreign, like Kia, Toyota, whatever, they're manufactured here in the United States by American workers.

00:49:22.000 You can buy stocks.

00:49:23.000 No.

00:49:24.000 No, I mean, Donald Trump's famous, well, I should say Michael Moore's famous speech of Donald Trump in his 2016 campaign was that he went to the auto manufacturers and said, if you move your factories to Mexico or China, I will slap a 30% tariff on your vehicle and no one will buy it.

00:49:38.000 And it was the first time someone stood up for the workers.

00:49:41.000 We have watched Michigan deteriorate in psychotic ways.

00:49:45.000 Flint, Michigan being an amazing example of what happens when you gut the manufacturing base.

00:49:51.000 So yes, one could argue with innovations in travel and transport and cheap fuel specifically, we've been able to move manufacturing to other countries through these free trade agreements.

00:50:01.000 So what ends up happening is if you're a family who lives in Michigan, hey, it's like that movie Tommy Boy.

00:50:05.000 Remember that one?

00:50:06.000 The brake pad factory goes, the whole town goes.

00:50:09.000 I like to go to cities, or I could say this, when I go to cities, I like to ask the locals, what is the basis of their economy?

00:50:15.000 For what purpose does this town actually exist?

00:50:18.000 And you'll find out really interesting things.

00:50:20.000 You know, in Seattle, for instance, a lot of timber.

00:50:22.000 People don't know that, but what is the economic driver of the Pacific Northwest?

00:50:26.000 All the lumber work that gets done gets spent in these states setting up shop.

00:50:32.000 So for example, if I find a gold in the ground, and then I'm like, I need to hire 100 people to get the gold out of the ground.

00:50:39.000 You get a pop-up city.

00:50:40.000 Well, what happens?

00:50:41.000 Someone says these people are hungry, opens a restaurant.

00:50:44.000 And so then towns form.

00:50:46.000 In Michigan, something really interesting happens.

00:50:48.000 You're familiar with the Flint water crisis.

00:50:50.000 That's a direct result of sending our auto manufacturing to Mexico and other countries and importing cheap vehicles.

00:50:57.000 I'm unfamiliar with that.

00:50:58.000 It won't be true.

00:50:59.000 So what happens is in Michigan, you have a water distribution apparatus, the city water supply of Detroit.

00:51:07.000 When you divide the fixed cost of water distribution among, say, a million people, I'm going to use vague numbers because actual numbers get wonky.

00:51:15.000 Let's say you have a million people and it costs everybody $100 a month for their water bills in their homes.

00:51:22.000 That's not so bad, right?

00:51:23.000 I mean, it can be heavy for your house, but it's just $100.

00:51:26.000 So if the economy is stable, you're going to be able to afford it.

00:51:29.000 Well, the manufacturing leaves, and this means we begin to see a mass exodus from Michigan.

00:51:34.000 Something like, I think in the 2000s, it was like 11 families per minute were leaving the state.

00:51:39.000 This means the tax base is eroded, but the fixed cost of the water delivery system remains static.

00:51:43.000 Overnight, an individual receives double the water bill.

00:51:47.000 That's something you just can't afford.

00:51:48.000 It's a shock charge, especially when, as the auto manufacturing leaves, there's less money coming into your city, state, or town, less tax revenue for social services and public roads, and less money in general being spent on restaurants and toys, whatever it might be that drives that.

00:52:03.000 They got to shut off parts of town.

00:52:04.000 They got to get a water bill you can't afford.

00:52:08.000 So what did Flint say?

00:52:09.000 Why are we paying the most expensive water bill in the country for Detroit water when we can use Flint River water, which was contaminated with Legionnaires' disease and started running water through pipes, which got everybody super sick?

00:52:23.000 It is unfortunate.

00:52:24.000 If they'd wanted to relocate their factory to Louisiana, should that have been legal?

00:52:28.000 Yes.

00:52:29.000 It would have caused the same problem, though, right?

00:52:29.000 Okay.

00:52:31.000 Like Flint would have had the same issue?

00:52:33.000 Not necessarily.

00:52:34.000 Why not?

00:52:34.000 The issue with Mexico is you have to compete with no union wages.

00:52:38.000 You have to compete with no minimum wages.

00:52:40.000 You have to compete with no health care.

00:52:42.000 And you have to compete with cartels running a lot of sweatshops.

00:52:45.000 Or I should just say illegal activities, easy way to explain it.

00:52:47.000 At least Louisiana would have to present to the auto manufacturer legal and justified competition to which Michigan.

00:52:55.000 My point is just if they were to relocate elsewhere in America, you'd still have that kind of collapse of services because you'd have fewer people.

00:53:01.000 Ignoring the fact.

00:53:02.000 No, wrong.

00:53:03.000 Because in the United States, we have federal laws on manufacturing and distribution.

00:53:08.000 So Mexico from California to Texas.

00:53:13.000 And I have no problem with states in a stable system trying to be competitive with one another.

00:53:18.000 Do you think it would be preferential if they all had tariffs between each other?

00:53:21.000 I mean, if it's going to build up the local economy, wouldn't it be beneficial to have been arguments made, such as in Ithaca, New York, are you familiar with the Ithaca Hour?

00:53:31.000 No.

00:53:31.000 Largely fallen into disuse, but they created a local currency which lasted for about 20 years that could only be used in Ithaca.

00:53:38.000 And it was called the Ithaca Hour, representing an hour of labor, and people could be choosed to be paid in hours or in U.S. dollars.

00:53:45.000 And in fact, it actually helped boost the economy.

00:53:48.000 I would be fine with that if you wanted to have alternate currencies.

00:53:51.000 And the point of the currency is that it can't leave the jurisdiction.

00:53:55.000 So you can make the argument that Louisiana can offer to compete by going to an auto manufacturer and saying, we're going to cut you 5% on taxes.

00:54:03.000 Michigan can then say, we will too.

00:54:04.000 But the one thing you can't compete on is peasant labor, which is impossible, especially with unions.

00:54:10.000 So of course, these factories want to generate profits.

00:54:13.000 You move the auto manufacturing out of the state, the economy gets depressed.

00:54:16.000 This idea that we would be a service sector economy is insane, or even worse, that we would be a cultural economy when we're literally bleeding our culture out across the planet and doing nothing to protect it.

00:54:28.000 We're not a service economy or only a service economy.

00:54:31.000 We're still a manufacturing powerhouse.

00:54:33.000 It never went away.

00:54:33.000 We have been.

00:54:35.000 The difference is that we shifted from like low-wage stuff, the peasant labor that you're talking about, to high-end stuff, like building airplanes, computer parts, things like that.

00:54:44.000 I would rather have a high-end manufacturing industry than a low-end manufacturing.

00:54:47.000 This is all macro grafted go-up argument that ignores the fact that cultures, families, traditions, and our country is gutted and eroded.

00:54:54.000 By all means, if you want to live in a plastic, jumpsuit, shaven-headed society, let's roll, baby.

00:54:59.000 We'll all see short-term gains as what makes the soul of our nation function.

00:55:03.000 Dies.

00:55:05.000 What I want to do is maximize people being able to make free choices and not have top-down command economies.

00:55:11.000 So I am fine with you.

00:55:12.000 If you find a better deal, I'm fine with you taking that deal.

00:55:15.000 Again, we'll carve out slave labor and things like that. 1.00

00:55:18.000 But in terms of just being able to have a competitive economy, be as competitive as you like.

00:55:21.000 Do you know where our aluminum comes from?

00:55:23.000 It comes from Canada.

00:55:23.000 No.

00:55:25.000 Okay.

00:55:25.000 Canada has no bauxite mines.

00:55:28.000 They have cheap labor.

00:55:29.000 And so instead of building our own aluminum refineries, being more energy efficient, we import aluminum from Canada, who imports their raw materials, bauxite, which refines into alumina and then aluminum in Canada, when the United States very well could have their own very cheap aluminum produced in-country.

00:55:29.000 Okay.

00:55:50.000 We have bauxite mines in Louisiana.

00:55:52.000 Why don't we just do that then?

00:55:53.000 I mean, if it's cheaper from Canada, buy it.

00:55:55.000 Because the worldview that you espouse, but why buy it from Canada if it's cheaper?

00:55:59.000 If it's cheaper, get it.

00:56:00.000 Like, spend the money on something here.

00:56:00.000 Yeah.

00:56:02.000 This is, we have gutted our refineries.

00:56:04.000 We have gutted our manufacturing base for a fake argument.

00:56:08.000 That is, instead of building nuclear reactors and hydroelectric plants so that we can do it here cheap, we're actually spending more for Canada to do it.

00:56:17.000 Hey, I'm all in the argument.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, but it's cheaper.

00:56:22.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 Look, I'm on team consumer.

00:56:25.000 If you can get a cheaper thing, go for it.

00:56:27.000 And if we lock down some tariffs and block out these countries and start doing it ourselves, everything will be cheaper.

00:56:34.000 Why don't we just do that?

00:56:35.000 Do you think the country would be better if instead of the Commerce Clause, all the states could enact tariffs?

00:56:39.000 Do you think we would be more economically viable?

00:56:41.000 No.

00:56:41.000 Okay.

00:56:42.000 There you are.

00:56:43.000 Like, I don't think that that would benefit.

00:56:44.000 I think it's more beneficial when you can get cheap parts from various places.

00:56:48.000 You can get cheap labor from various places.

00:56:49.000 It ends up making everything less costly.

00:56:52.000 And it allows different regions to focus on what they're productive at.

00:56:55.000 It'll take that excess money and put it into other things.

00:56:57.000 So you're not asking about what the long-term end result of that is going to be.

00:57:00.000 I am talking about the spirit of our country, what it means to believe in constitutional republicanism.

00:57:07.000 And you are saying, but we'll make money.

00:57:10.000 Well, I think part of that republicanism right there is the idea of doing whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody else.

00:57:16.000 No, that's classical liberalism.

00:57:18.000 Yeah, and that's what the country was founded on, was classical liberalism and the idea that you are a free citizen.

00:57:22.000 You can engage in free activities, whether they're sexual or corporate with whoever you want, as long as you're not hurting anybody else.

00:57:27.000 Well, there is a debate long-term over imports and exports and tariffs.

00:57:31.000 And more importantly, if we want to get into an argument over what the founding fathers thought when the country had 4 million people in it, 13 colonies, and imports were substantially limited due to the difficulty of travel, we're talking about something entirely different from gigantic cargo vessels traveling the whole world and undercutting the economies and cultures of the countries for which they are.

00:57:53.000 You know what?

00:57:54.000 I'm always open to arguments of scaling, but that did take place at a backdrop of mercantilism.

00:57:59.000 The idea of mercantilism was well known.

00:58:01.000 What you're describing as mercantilism, what Trump is as a mercantilist, like that was well known at the time.

00:58:05.000 So the point I'm bringing up is with a subculture, particularly like skateboarding.

00:58:11.000 And this is, again, there's also snowboarding, there's surfing.

00:58:15.000 Everyone's complaining about very similar things.

00:58:17.000 The United States is hollowing itself out.

00:58:20.000 It's pumping out money to foreign countries because they will always have cheaper labor.

00:58:24.000 We now have houses people can't afford.

00:58:26.000 We are not producing enough.

00:58:27.000 We never were ever since the petrodollar got kicked into gear after with the liberal economic order.

00:58:33.000 You've got Gen Z that can't buy anything. 1.00

00:58:35.000 There's no low-skill labor for which a young man or woman can get a job to actually be competitive.

00:58:40.000 And at the same time, we're opening the borders to non-citizens who are effectively taking a lot of our low-skill labor. 1.00

00:58:47.000 This is the end if this continues.

00:58:50.000 And I mean, those of us that are rich are going to enjoy it all the way down until we invest in China and GTFO.

00:58:57.000 All right.

00:58:57.000 There's a bunch of things to unpack there.

00:58:59.000 Okay.

00:59:00.000 So in terms of the rising housing costs, I would say the principal reason that housing is getting more expensive is that we restrict supply.

00:59:07.000 Like America doesn't have a housing policy or even investment policy where we want everybody's house to raise in value forever.

00:59:14.000 Housing sales, housing prices just went down for the first time in a long time and sales have actually failed.

00:59:18.000 No, that's terrific.

00:59:19.000 And there's going to be variation day to day, right?

00:59:21.000 But the principal reason houses are expensive is not because of free trade.

00:59:25.000 It's because we restrict how much houses can be built.

00:59:27.000 Like that's the main thing.

00:59:28.000 It's restriction to supply.

00:59:30.000 How does that make sense when you have a plethora of houses for sale today and people aren't buying them?

00:59:34.000 You've got about 2% of the housing market right now of like multiple houses that people own that nobody's living in.

00:59:41.000 But when you look at any map of any major city in the United States, 80% of it is zoned for single-family occupancy.

00:59:47.000 And so it's illegal to build a duplex.

00:59:49.000 There are houses for sale that aren't moving right now.

00:59:52.000 Yeah.

00:59:52.000 Well, we've still got high interest rates.

00:59:54.000 And then on top of that, like you're maintaining a property that you think is going to increase in value.

00:59:59.000 You may not want to leave in it, right?

01:00:01.000 So like I'm not, this is sort of a side argument, but housing, I think, like fairly indisputably is going up largely because of supply problems.

01:00:09.000 We need more housing.

01:00:10.000 I completely disagree with that.

01:00:11.000 No.

01:00:12.000 There's so many houses for sale right now.

01:00:13.000 It's a buyer's market.

01:00:15.000 But we've got a lot.

01:00:16.000 One, I think one of the principal arguments as to why houses cost too much is that people are living longer.

01:00:21.000 And boomers who own, on average, I think they own like 1.7 houses or something, whatever the number is.

01:00:26.000 You've got a small, 80% of boomers own homes, and then a small percentage own multiple homes.

01:00:31.000 And then a small percentage own quite a few.

01:00:33.000 Gen Xersers, around 72% own a single home.

01:00:35.000 Millennials, 50%. 0.99

01:00:37.000 And Gen Z, it's something like 17% or less.

01:00:40.000 Why can't Gen Z in their 20s have a house and have a family? 1.00

01:00:45.000 When you look at wages, wages have increased since the 1970s, but prices have increased for healthcare, college, and housing.

01:00:51.000 Those are the three things that have gone up.

01:00:53.000 Everything else has gone down.

01:00:54.000 Food's gone down.

01:00:56.000 Consumer goods, gadgets, they've all gone down, right?

01:00:59.000 So people are actually earning more than they did in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s across age cohorts.

01:01:05.000 But prices for those three things have increased.

01:01:07.000 So because of restriction to supply with housing, with healthcare, healthcare is a complicated issue.

01:01:13.000 I would say that it's a combination of regulatory malfeasance combined with the fact that we have sort of state-by-state monopolies that we allow rather than competition to exist.

01:01:25.000 And it's this huge morass of regulations that are in there.

01:01:29.000 In terms of college, I would say that colleges because we went from a college degree is a nice thing to have, and some people are going to have it in 1950.

01:01:38.000 Like 2% of people had a graduate degree, maybe 6% had an undergraduate degree.

01:01:43.000 But in the 1980s, we went everybody has to get a college degree.

01:01:46.000 If you don't get a college degree, you're a loser and you don't get to be part of the social pyramid, right?

01:01:51.000 With a college degree, if it's a positional good that's predicated on the value being other people don't have it, you can't equalize it.

01:01:57.000 The value can't be egalitarian.

01:01:59.000 So we pushed everybody into that system.

01:02:02.000 You also have a limited amount of college spots that are available, but you have people coming in and you have, excuse me, you have money coming in, capital coming in.

01:02:10.000 Too much money chasing too few goods is going to increase the price.

01:02:13.000 You're going to cause inflation there.

01:02:14.000 So college, we've pumped too much money into it in terms of student loans and things like that.

01:02:19.000 The federal government has college is a waste of time and nobody should go.

01:02:25.000 Yeah.

01:02:25.000 So wait, why are you thinking that housing has got more expensive because of free trade?

01:02:32.000 No, no, no, no.

01:02:33.000 What I said was Gen Z can't afford to buy a house or have a family. 1.00

01:02:38.000 The question of why houses are getting more expensive is because we're living longer and boomers have investment properties.

01:02:42.000 We don't want it to go down.

01:02:43.000 That's a supply issue, right?

01:02:45.000 Well, technically, yes, but I mean, it's largely based on I'm not paying the blame on anybody over the fact that in order to actually get houses to lower cost, which I wouldn't necessarily call a supply issue, it's more of a question of can Gen Z make enough money to compete with the interests of boomers? 0.86

01:03:04.000 No.

01:03:04.000 The answer is no.

01:03:05.000 And I think the reason is we've destroyed the jobs that they would normally get.

01:03:08.000 They don't exist anymore.

01:03:10.000 And we tell women, you want to be rich, get naked and have sex on camera. 1.00

01:03:13.000 And a bunch of girls are trying. 1.00

01:03:14.000 It doesn't work for them.

01:03:15.000 And now, the worst thing about that, AI just knocked all them out of a job.

01:03:20.000 I'm happy to talk about OnlyFans.

01:03:21.000 Cyber industrialization.

01:03:23.000 I'd say the main problem with housing is we don't have a housing policy.

01:03:26.000 We have an investment policy.

01:03:28.000 We want to treat houses as the principal investment vehicle of the entire country.

01:03:32.000 The problem with that is if you want all houses to increase in value forever, which is what we want, then you can't have cheap houses.

01:03:39.000 Well, they will, though, because land is finite and population grows.

01:03:42.000 But when population retracts, these houses will implode and nothing can stop it.

01:03:45.000 That probably will happen to me.

01:03:46.000 So I guess my question for you is, ultimately, there is one simple disagreement between us, regardless of what our view on economic policy is.

01:03:54.000 I have a vision of America that is rooted in the American tradition, and you don't.

01:04:00.000 Not saying that's an insult saying you don't.

01:04:01.000 I agree to disagree on that one.

01:04:04.000 No, I think individual liberty, free trade, and comparative advantage are pretty rooted in the American experience.

01:04:12.000 Yes, but that's all money.

01:04:13.000 I mean, it'd be great if a Chinese guy got those advantages, right? 1.00

01:04:15.000 And then he can have a communist party that externally is doing those things you describe.

01:04:19.000 That's not what I'm talking about, and that's the point I'm making.

01:04:22.000 My view of American tradition is not we have a fiscal policy that the founding fathers agreed with.

01:04:26.000 It's that I wake up in the morning with snow falling all around open Christmas presents, and we have apple pie baking sitting on a windowsill, and I go outside and I watch people playing baseball.

01:04:36.000 Those are nice.

01:04:37.000 They're spiritual and emotional arguments.

01:04:40.000 They're spiritual.

01:04:41.000 I think the government should be protecting you from crime and should be enforcing contracts.

01:04:45.000 It should be stopping fraud, negative externalities like pollution.

01:04:48.000 But I don't think the government should protect you from competition.

01:04:51.000 What about monopolies?

01:04:52.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:04:52.000 We're not monopolizing.

01:04:53.000 Again, I'm advancing this to the soul of a nation, not the fiscal policy.

01:05:00.000 The fiscal policy is a component of the argument, but my point is this.

01:05:03.000 We're now switching from policy to sort of ideology.

01:05:07.000 The key distinction between us is that I have a view of what makes America America based on its American tradition, and you argued for policies based on American policy tradition.

01:05:17.000 I have no interest in the United States becoming an Islamic nation where women have to wear the Kaab. 1.00

01:05:21.000 Yes, me neither.

01:05:22.000 Well, go to Dearborn, Michigan, and tell me what you see.

01:05:24.000 I don't think it's very germane to the free trade thing.

01:05:29.000 The point is, why did we have 20 million people on the high estimate?

01:05:34.000 You know what?

01:05:34.000 I'm going to pause and go low estimate.

01:05:36.000 Why did we have 10 million people be allowed to enter this country illegally under the Biden administration?

01:05:42.000 Biden screwed up where he decided that there were, hold on, real quick.

01:05:46.000 We'll talk about immigration in a moment.

01:05:48.000 In terms of the spiritual defending things thing, let's say that there's an industry that, like I work in entertainment, like you're a journalist, but we're kind of broadly in the same media family, right?

01:06:01.000 Like if stand-up comedy became less popular, I wouldn't want the government to prop it up.

01:06:06.000 And I do stand-up comedy, right?

01:06:08.000 I would question what you have done with your industry and why you couldn't make it more popular.

01:06:08.000 Agreed.

01:06:12.000 And if they're same thing, if there are manufacturers that are making buggy whips or are making saddles and people don't want to ride horses as much, I don't think that there's any onus on the government to protect those industries.

01:06:12.000 Right.

01:06:22.000 And so what I see is a willingness of libertarians, short-term gains, burning the country down.

01:06:31.000 I don't think there's short-term.

01:06:32.000 Let me ask you this.

01:06:32.000 No, no, no, hold on.

01:06:33.000 What if Americans stopped listening to American comedy because the Chinese comics were just funnier? 0.99

01:06:40.000 Now, the thing is.

01:06:41.000 Great.

01:06:42.000 We get more comedy.

01:06:43.000 And then all the people start adopting Chinese communist views.

01:06:46.000 They start voting for communism.

01:06:47.000 And then they have you arrested because 10 years ago you said something naughty.

01:06:51.000 I feel like we're getting into civil liberties now.

01:06:53.000 I would very much stand with you in First Amendment protection.

01:06:57.000 This is the problem I have with libertarians.

01:06:58.000 I mean, as podcasters.

01:07:01.000 Tim, as podcasters, we're already in competition with the entire planet.

01:07:04.000 You and I are in competition with porn any minute.

01:07:06.000 Indeed, but largely those who speak English and care about these issues.

01:07:09.000 Which means Australia and Canada and Britain and everything else.

01:07:11.000 And that's part of it.

01:07:12.000 The short-term benefits you're looking at ignore the cultural ramifications of the world you live in.

01:07:18.000 We are in a country right now where you have competing ideologies within our own borders.

01:07:24.000 You've got the multicultural democracy largely represented by progressives in the Democratic Party and constitutional republicanism largely represented by not even Republicans, just the MAGA point, a part of it.

01:07:36.000 What we end up seeing then is when you go to Dearborn, Michigan, for instance, you have an enclave of Islam and Sharia Patrol. 0.97

01:07:44.000 You have Chinese communist police departments opening across the United States because the graph go-up argument ignores what makes a people.

01:07:53.000 What a constitution is, is the views of the world that constitute its people.

01:07:58.000 And when we open our borders, because we say economically, it's great.

01:08:01.000 Competition is no big deal.

01:08:02.000 50 years later, you have no free speech, you have no sovereignty, and you now have to contend with a voting bloc that wants your country eroded and destroyed, notably New York, with Zorhan Mamdani, who explicitly stated in his campaign he will advocate for illegal immigrants against federal law.

01:08:22.000 This country will not exist if we maintain your description of how things should be run.

01:08:28.000 We have to have borders, and we have to have a working body that is able to exist without having to compete with peasants in other countries. 0.88

01:08:37.000 There is an enclave, Irania, I believe it's called, in South Africa.

01:08:41.000 Are you familiar with it?

01:08:42.000 I believe it's called Irania.

01:08:42.000 No.

01:08:44.000 It is a white private landmass that no one can live there. 1.00

01:08:49.000 It's private unless you come to them and they approve you to live there.

01:08:54.000 And they said, we don't allow any hiring of labor from outside the community because what ended up happening was the money started leaving and the trade started slowing down.

01:09:03.000 So they realized it may be more expensive to hire a neighbor to do the work, but they have to, otherwise it all starts falling apart.

01:09:10.000 I am sick and tired of the laissez-faire libertarian.

01:09:14.000 I will squeeze what is left of the American way of living and watch this country become a communist woke cesspool by importing people who don't care for our values and displace our voting blocks because in the short term, the graph goes up. 0.64

01:09:29.000 So I take umbrage with the idea that me promoting freedom is a communist plot.

01:09:33.000 I'm very much.

01:09:34.000 I'm saying that you are short-sighted and you are ignorant of the ramifications of how let's go back.

01:09:34.000 I'm not saying that.

01:09:39.000 So like a lot of people would like, would hearken the 1950s as sort of the high watermark of American manufacturing.

01:09:45.000 Well, that's only because we blew up Germany and Japan. 1.00

01:09:47.000 It is.

01:09:48.000 And if you were to compare us to the 1950s, we're more prosperous than we were in the 1950s.

01:09:52.000 If the 1950s existed now and it was a separate country we could visit, we would view it like Poland right after the Soviet Union came down.

01:10:00.000 We've become far more prosperous.

01:10:01.000 Prosperous.

01:10:02.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:10:06.000 How would you describe the state of political affairs in the United States?

01:10:09.000 Political affairs?

01:10:10.000 Yeah.

01:10:10.000 As in like romantic trists or just like politics in general?

01:10:14.000 Like how would you describe the political state of the United States right now?

01:10:16.000 Very bad.

01:10:17.000 Very, very bad.

01:10:18.000 Why?

01:10:20.000 Great question, Tim.

01:10:21.000 I actually wrote a book on this called Tribalism is Dumb.

01:10:23.000 I'll be happy to give you a copy of it when we leave.

01:10:27.000 That is a salient question.

01:10:28.000 That's something that has been going on in the United States now for 20 or 30 years.

01:10:32.000 It's been going on in other countries as well.

01:10:34.000 It's been going on in Europe.

01:10:35.000 The countries that have a pre-distributist economic model, which is kind of what you're advocating for, of let's keep wages higher at the base floor through higher minimum wage, things like that, they're going through the same thing as well.

01:10:48.000 So I would infer that that's not an economic.

01:10:49.000 I don't advocate for a minimum wage.

01:10:52.000 I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it's.

01:10:52.000 Forgive me.

01:10:54.000 There's market competition within our borders and an expected standard of living for an American.

01:10:58.000 So you have eliminated that borders.

01:11:01.000 Distributivist, what I mean is trying to force corporations on the front end to pay more through some method.

01:11:08.000 We're stopping competition.

01:11:09.000 That's cultural enforcement.

01:11:10.000 Rather than redistribution, right?

01:11:12.000 So, like France and Germany and Spain have pre-distributed models which are also going through these things.

01:11:18.000 So, I would infer that it's not primarily economic.

01:11:20.000 I think it's largely technological.

01:11:22.000 I think the period that we're living in is probably more similar to.

01:11:24.000 I largely agree.

01:11:25.000 Yeah.

01:11:26.000 So, that's the main thing.

01:11:27.000 But let's talk about immigrants for a minute.

01:11:29.000 So, I stand by my position.

01:11:31.000 I think free trade's been good.

01:11:32.000 I think it's been great for the planet.

01:11:33.000 I think it's been good for America.

01:11:34.000 But I don't want to hijack your show and only talk about that.

01:11:37.000 Let's talk about immigrants for a minute.

01:11:38.000 You brought up Biden.

01:11:39.000 Biden made a horrible mistake during his presidency where prior to Biden, if you wanted to seek asylum in the United States, you would come to the United States.

01:11:48.000 They would go, thank you very much.

01:11:49.000 Here's your number.

01:11:50.000 We'll call you when you're up for asylum status. 0.81

01:11:53.000 Go back to the last safe port of entry.

01:11:56.000 He reversed that and said, you can come into the United States and then just hang out until we call you.

01:12:01.000 That opened up the floodgates.

01:12:02.000 That's why there was a ton of people that came in under Biden.

01:12:04.000 Well, I mean, it's more than that.

01:12:06.000 CBP was ordered to bring anybody in.

01:12:08.000 They were ordered that if a child had a number with them that they knew was to a sex trafficker to ignore it and just send them to the sex trafficker.

01:12:15.000 Sorry, can you repeat that?

01:12:16.000 CBP was ordered that if they knew a child was brought across the border for sex slavery to deliver them to the sex slavery.

01:12:25.000 Yeah, I'm not here stumping for what Biden did was not an accident where he said, oops, see, I made a thing go wrong.

01:12:31.000 It was an intentional plan where they were ferrying illegally trafficked children on planes into various red states for years.

01:12:40.000 Tennessee, this erupted a major scandal when a U.S. plane loaded a bunch of child trafficking victims onto a plane and flew them into Tennessee.

01:12:49.000 There was one plane that landed in Westchester, New York, and a journalist filmed it coming out and interviewed one of the guys and he's like, they're making us do it.

01:12:58.000 Biden was assisting.

01:12:59.000 So we can go back to the cartels.

01:13:01.000 Biden was bringing these trafficking victims into this country intentionally.

01:13:06.000 Now, I think the obvious answer is that there are a series of economic faults that are affecting the United States ever since 2008.

01:13:14.000 In the liberal worldview, the numbers improving is better than anything else.

01:13:20.000 And this is a disease for which all political factions find themselves afflicted.

01:13:26.000 Even Donald Trump talks about affordability and how we've conquered it, and he's completely wrong.

01:13:32.000 But it's because you can't win political power unless the people feel comfortable.

01:13:36.000 So the Democrats' play is graph must go up.

01:13:40.000 In the short term, we'll win.

01:13:41.000 In the long term, this country will burn down.

01:13:44.000 And a great example of it is, since the ICE operations kicked off, the Republican Party, the polling has shown Latino voters are bleeding from support for Republicans because many of these voters have family and friends who are here illegally. 0.51

01:13:58.000 And they would advocate by vote for people who are not citizens of this country who are going to receive benefits or at least contribute to the cost of running a nation that comes from the public coffers.

01:14:10.000 You will not survive if you have someone in your home voting to give away what you have to people outside.

01:14:17.000 That has never made sense and it won't.

01:14:19.000 And it's going to keep getting worse because we are a nation of graph go up, give away our manufacturing jobs, open up our borders to illegal immigrants. 1.00

01:14:27.000 Slowly but surely, you end up with enclaves and voting blocks that say, fuck America.

01:14:32.000 Zohran Mamdani being an example of a man who ran for mayor and explicitly stated, I will protect the criminals who broke this country's laws from those in the federal government who seek to enforce these nations' laws.

01:14:46.000 When you get to the point where our largest and most prosperous city is now voting for a man who explicitly states we are de facto outside of the federal government, your country is breaking apart.

01:14:59.000 So I would describe the political state of affairs in this country as civil strife with the political assassinations and murder.

01:15:04.000 I would describe what we're talking about with tariffs and immigration as components of the erosion.

01:15:09.000 I do believe that the internet plays a role in that it keeps the masses ignorant and hateful.

01:15:15.000 The left, I believe, is substantially more hateful while believing they're not while screaming in people's faces and beating and murdering people.

01:15:22.000 And it's only going to get worse.

01:15:24.000 And unfortunately, we have liberals and libertarians who could stand up and say, and that's why I like the Mises caucus guys, because they outright say, close the borders.

01:15:33.000 And that's like, I mean, Milton Friedman, peace be upon him, said years ago, you can't have a welfare state and an immigration state, right?

01:15:42.000 And so like, like, I don't.

01:15:43.000 But the liberal mindset is as you're describing it.

01:15:46.000 We need the short-term gains to make money today.

01:15:49.000 I don't care what happens tomorrow.

01:15:51.000 And I could go to the American people and say, the world that you live in will cease to exist, but boy, will it be fun riding that bomb straight out of the out of the Enola Gay? 0.99

01:16:02.000 Yeah, we do disagree on this.

01:16:04.000 I mean, I don't think it's short-term to buy something cheaper.

01:16:08.000 Like an attorney that buys things from a grocery store has a trade deficit with his grocery store, but the attorney is still making more money than the grocery.

01:16:14.000 The difference between the grocery stores is minimal.

01:16:17.000 You're talking about other countries that have peasant labor we cannot compete with. 1.00

01:16:22.000 And listen, I, as a company owner, when we launched our previous Boone skateboard, it was the, I think it was the Beasts.

01:16:32.000 No, no, no, it was the weapons.

01:16:32.000 Weapons was the last one.

01:16:34.000 50 BMG Timpool blueprint model, the Cody Mac single action revolver.

01:16:40.000 We made $30,000 in two hours selling those skateboards, American-made, American-pressed.

01:16:46.000 Great.

01:16:47.000 To the people who ordered them, I apologize.

01:16:50.000 It's taking so long, but you paid American and be patient because you know you're doing the right thing.

01:16:56.000 I could have made $40,000 if I went to China instead.

01:17:00.000 And actually, $10,000, I could have bought myself a gold necklace.

01:17:02.000 Hey, I applaud that, man.

01:17:03.000 I don't want a gold necklace.

01:17:05.000 I want my country back.

01:17:06.000 That's terrific.

01:17:07.000 I don't want you to restrict other people's rights.

01:17:08.000 But if you want to do that, that's fine.

01:17:10.000 And I applaud that you want to hire American workers for it.

01:17:13.000 So it's a right.

01:17:16.000 Explain what you mean by that.

01:17:17.000 I think you should be able to have a voluntary relationship with anybody unless you are actively hurting them.

01:17:23.000 So like, if I want to marry five people, I'm fine with that.

01:17:26.000 I don't care.

01:17:27.000 If I want to have an economic relationship with somebody, that's also fine.

01:17:31.000 The government shouldn't be stopping me from having economic relationships.

01:17:34.000 So if you want to hire only Americans and only have your product made in America, I applaud that. 1.00

01:17:40.000 And there are a lot of people, as you just pointed out, who would purchase that.

01:17:44.000 I mean, like, you just made a case that people will buy American even if it costs more, that you're able to compete within that market despite having cheaper boards.

01:17:51.000 That's great.

01:17:53.000 And that to me indicates.

01:17:54.000 We sell our boards cheaper than the big companies do.

01:17:56.000 Despite making their boards cheaper, they sell them for more money.

01:17:59.000 But I think the point is like America's not just a market.

01:18:02.000 Whereas I understand property rights and I understand freedom of interaction, freedom of association and stuff.

01:18:08.000 America's not a market.

01:18:10.000 America's not, you know, the United States isn't an economic zone.

01:18:13.000 And I think it's, it's, I got to be completely honest.

01:18:15.000 I think what you're describing in some circumstances is treasonous.

01:18:21.000 Okay.

01:18:23.000 So, and I know you'll want to clarify, of course, and you will present the caveats because any reasonable person would, but certainly not an American could have a voluntary relationship with a member of the Chinese Communist Party.

01:18:34.000 Could somebody date a member of the Chinese Communist Party?

01:18:36.000 I'm talking about an economic relationship with an American and a CCP member.

01:18:41.000 There are some caveats.

01:18:42.000 Would you not agree?

01:18:44.000 Maybe, but like by that same token, if an American wants to visit Cuba, I'm fine with it.

01:18:48.000 If an American wants to visit the community, let me try this again because you're going to apologize and say you were wrong. 0.99

01:18:53.000 Do you believe that is there any circumstance in which an American can't engage in a voluntary exchange with a CCP member?

01:19:00.000 Yeah, there could be some circumstances.

01:19:02.000 If we were at war, if there were specific elements that like I wouldn't allow somebody to buy like rape drugs or something like that.

01:19:13.000 Would you allow a publicly funded university to give away trade secrets that was paid for by the American public to the CCP?

01:19:20.000 Why not?

01:19:20.000 Probably not.

01:19:21.000 It's voluntary.

01:19:22.000 Why are you restricting the right of the individual with knowledge to simply have a conversation?

01:19:26.000 Well, I think in that case, you're talking about public funding, though, right?

01:19:28.000 No, Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:19:30.000 If a private university is a university professor knows in his brain something, they had a study at a university.

01:19:36.000 He read the reports.

01:19:37.000 He just knows it.

01:19:37.000 That's it.

01:19:38.000 It's not confident or classified.

01:19:40.000 Why can't he go to China and take payment from these Chinese people so that the government of China can have access to the same?

01:19:46.000 For the same reason that a governor or a member of the executive branch couldn't sell American secrets to the CCB despite the fact that they're an individual.

01:19:53.000 See, now what you've described is there are for trade protectionism only when you think so.

01:19:58.000 No, if there were a private individual that came up with some kind of IP and they wanted to sell it, that would be fine.

01:20:03.000 Like if, I don't know, Elon Musk wanted to sell something to China, we could run it through CFIS.

01:20:10.000 Like there are ways to go through in terms of looking at national security, but if an individual within a corporation, within a private part of the sphere, wanted to do trade relations with a communist government.

01:20:19.000 Agreed.

01:20:20.000 So you think there are certain instances where the government should stop a person from voluntarily exchanging with another person?

01:20:26.000 Yeah, but the default state is going to be you're allowed to do whatever you want.

01:20:30.000 All you've just said to me and everyone else is my ideological worldview supersedes yours, and I respect that you believe that because I think mine supersedes yours.

01:20:40.000 I believe I'm correct.

01:20:41.000 I think we both think we're correct.

01:20:42.000 If you would assert the government has the authority to stop someone from doing trade, I would agree with you.

01:20:47.000 If you want to put restrictions in place on what the government can do with other governments or even other corporations, I'm fine with that.

01:20:53.000 But like, yeah, unless you've got a specific...

01:20:56.000 American auto manufacturers can't go and cut deals with foreign manufacturers to hire cheap slave labor. 0.65

01:21:01.000 You and I agree.

01:21:02.000 You are for trade protectionism.

01:21:03.000 For the private sphere, I'm all in favor of that.

01:21:06.000 Like, where I got hung up was if we're talking about— So Raytheon, a Raytheon employee can go to the CCP and say, I know how to build a nuclear weapon launched from a Hellfire drone.

01:21:14.000 Let me give that to you.

01:21:15.000 You're going to say no.

01:21:16.000 My point is this.

01:21:17.000 You are simply asserting if it benefits me, it should be allowed.

01:21:21.000 But there are certain things where the government should stop voluntary exchange.

01:21:24.000 Tim, in all honesty, in all complete sincerity, do you think that is what I'm saying?

01:21:28.000 Yes.

01:21:28.000 You think that I'm saying that there's no appreciable difference between saying you can't have a tariff versus sell nuclear secrets to the CCB?

01:21:36.000 What you are missing is that you have in your mind the limiters on when you believe the government should stop voluntary exchange.

01:21:44.000 You have already explained scenarios in which the government should stop and even punish voluntary exchange.

01:21:51.000 You have made the argument that you disagree on where that line should be in some areas where I agree the line should be a little bit further.

01:21:58.000 Yet at the same time, you've argued the government should not do it.

01:22:02.000 So you are wrong.

01:22:03.000 You do believe the government should.

01:22:05.000 You just want to get cheaper stuff where I think the cheaper stuff you're getting hurts us.

01:22:09.000 I don't think I have to be an anarchist to oppose to not have any kind of government regulation.

01:22:16.000 Like let's just pull some government.

01:22:18.000 We agree.

01:22:19.000 There are instances where the government should stop and even punish individuals who engage in certain economic exchanges.

01:22:27.000 If they're selling nuclear secrets, sure.

01:22:29.000 Drugs.

01:22:31.000 I mean, going back to the cartel thing, if you really want to lower the cartels, I would figure out a way to decriminalize most drugs.

01:22:39.000 The answer is yes.

01:22:39.000 Right.

01:22:40.000 In terms of you believe the government should stop some economic exchanges of some economic exchanges, but like.

01:22:48.000 But just pointing out that I want the government occasionally to do things doesn't justify every instance of government interaction.

01:22:53.000 Point is, you said previously you think people should be free to do these things, but you, of course, don't mean it.

01:22:58.000 You just think that you should be able to engage in economic behaviors that'll benefit you and how you see the world, and I think you are destroying this country by doing so.

01:23:06.000 Now again, we would both agree an individual taking a state secret or general information that would benefit China in destroying this country. 0.94

01:23:15.000 The government should stop that, right?

01:23:17.000 Hey Tim, let's back up.

01:23:18.000 I don't want to do any character attacks here.

01:23:21.000 I don't want to hurt anybody in America, like I'm a guy in a three-piece suit.

01:23:25.000 If Trump does 10, 15% tariffs, the reality is it's probably not going to impact me.

01:23:29.000 I can take that on the chin.

01:23:30.000 I think that it's actually going to hurt manufacturing in the long run because it's going to hurt intermediate parts.

01:23:34.000 It's going to affect how much stuff costs for people that are poor.

01:23:38.000 I'm concerned about them.

01:23:39.000 In the short term, I can make a good faith argument and I I would hope you could concede to me that, while I might be wrong, i'm still operating in good faith.

01:23:47.000 Yes, and you are wrong because again, my point is simply your.

01:23:50.000 The premise of your argument is, government shouldn't restrict voluntary exchange.

01:23:54.000 That should be the default state.

01:23:56.000 You don't actually agree.

01:23:57.000 There are going to be exceptions to that.

01:23:59.000 In the same way that the government shouldn't kill people, but there are instances where it's going to have to kill people, that doesn't mean, I think, that the sheriff can gun down anyone.

01:24:05.000 The only real argument is the sectors in which you believe you should be allowed to trade with foreign countries, and I disagree with you on that.

01:24:12.000 I believe that, in the short term, giving away our manufacturing i'm sorry, I believe that in giving away our manufacturing to Mexico or China or other countries will benefit us.

01:24:21.000 Benefit us in the short term, as consumers now get a cheaper product and the company gets a higher profit margin.

01:24:28.000 In the long term, you eliminate the jobs, you eliminate the culture.

01:24:32.000 Cities begin to dry up, families stop happening because they can't buy food and they can't seek shelter anymore, and now we are looking at a population collapse, a financial crisis, an ideologic, ideological conflict.

01:24:43.000 Long term, with tariffs, people start to rebuild factories begrudgingly.

01:24:49.000 They start to bring back these jobs.

01:24:51.000 Now young people who didn't have a job before make one start generating these jobs.

01:24:56.000 Interest and culture starts to rebuild and is within a confine that.

01:25:00.000 Short term, it may get a little bit more expensive.

01:25:02.000 Long term you will have a self-sustaining ecosystem, an economy, household management.

01:25:08.000 The argument that we had was simply based on where you want to draw the line and where I want to draw the line.

01:25:14.000 Yeah, you said something about that.

01:25:15.000 If it's cheaper, then that's good, or something like that.

01:25:17.000 Right, i'm very much on the on the side of the consumer.

01:25:20.000 I run on cheaper, at what cost?

01:25:22.000 Because it's not all fiscal.

01:25:24.000 You know, something might be very cheap to order from the Barbarian leader, but then the Barbarian leader gets money and he poisons your Dna and kills you. 0.57

01:25:30.000 You know, in seven years, because you funded a danger that you didn't, just because it was cheaper, you were actually funding a negative that you didn't let me.

01:25:38.000 So you have to ask you, uh, is it good that China is buying up our farmland?

01:25:43.000 I'm not terribly bothered by that, like so.

01:25:45.000 So there is a thing we've got uh, called a Ciphius, which is the Committee ON International.

01:25:51.000 I can't remember what it is, but basically the Senate has a committee where if there's going to be a foreign entity buying some American industry, some kind of company, it has to go through approval for them.

01:25:59.000 So, for example, there was a big kerfuffle a few years ago where a Saudi company Wanted to buy, I think, the port of Los Angeles.

01:26:08.000 What that basically meant was they were just going to be the company in charge of logistics for it.

01:26:12.000 They weren't in charge of security.

01:26:13.000 Sophius looked at it and went, This does not pose a threat to American security because American security is still handed by America.

01:26:19.000 So, sort of like farmland.

01:26:21.000 You're not bothered by China owned by the United States.

01:26:23.000 No, because that would be the easiest thing to seize.

01:26:25.000 If we ever gone into a conflict, like, let's say we go to war over Taiwan, we could immediately appropriate that. 0.98

01:26:30.000 Now, if they started like poisoning the land or something, sure, absolutely ban them from doing that.

01:26:34.000 Well, what about you've given control of your food supply to a foreign country or a large portion of it?

01:26:34.000 How would you know?

01:26:45.000 What percentage are we talking about here?

01:26:46.000 Because I'm guessing it's less than 1% of American farmland by China.

01:26:50.000 Let's pull up the number so we can get it.

01:26:51.000 If we're talking about 20%, we can talk.

01:26:52.000 But if we're talking about like 1%, that's probably just like investment diversity for the Chinese, in which case, they're spending money over here and we're getting more money.

01:26:59.000 What does that say?

01:27:00.000 What is that money?

01:27:01.000 What do you mean by we get more money?

01:27:02.000 It means somebody went, I can make more money having this.

01:27:05.000 3.6% of U.S. agricultural land is Canada owns one.

01:27:11.000 Wait, what?

01:27:12.000 Canada owns one-third of our land?

01:27:15.000 What?

01:27:15.000 Wow.

01:27:17.000 I think that's right.

01:27:18.000 Hold up.

01:27:19.000 Canada holding the largest share, about one-third of foreign-owned.

01:27:22.000 No, no, no, of foreign-owned land.

01:27:23.000 Right.

01:27:24.000 Okay, that sounds more right to me.

01:27:25.000 Yeah.

01:27:26.000 Yeah.

01:27:27.000 If you can find.

01:27:28.000 No, no, no.

01:27:29.000 China owns 0.2 of all land.

01:27:32.000 I'm not bothered by 0.2.

01:27:33.000 I am.

01:27:34.000 I'll tell you why.

01:27:36.000 So they are producing food in our food supply.

01:27:40.000 So the way the food chain works, most people, I assume that this.

01:27:43.000 The farmland is going to be the bottom, which means small amounts of that are going to spread out to a much larger amount of our food supply.

01:27:50.000 It theoretically could be greater than, depending on what they're growing, you don't know for sure.

01:27:54.000 But let's say that 0.02% actually is, it's hard to know.

01:28:03.000 Some of the agriculture will be for things that are, you know, animal feed or whatever.

01:28:07.000 Actually, you know what?

01:28:07.000 I'll say this.

01:28:08.000 It didn't even matter.

01:28:09.000 If China begins genetically engineering or infecting food with something not intended to kill a person overnight, but to say lower their ability to reproduce by 1%, China's on the 100-year, thousand-year plan. 0.88

01:28:26.000 Why would we allow a foreign adversary? 1.00

01:28:29.000 We're not at war, but they are an adversary.

01:28:30.000 They're listed in federal law as an adversary.

01:28:33.000 They're codified as one.

01:28:35.000 Why would we allow them any degree of control in our food production?

01:28:39.000 You know, if you could find any evidence that they were doing anything untowards, I would be happy to.

01:28:44.000 They've released multiple blights in the U.S. that have attacked our they were shipping viruses.

01:28:49.000 They're running illegal biolabs. 0.98

01:28:50.000 They've caught numerous Chinese CCP members transporting drugs through airports.

01:28:55.000 Well, I meant more than viruses throughout the year.

01:28:56.000 Sure, but like just focusing on the agriculture.

01:28:58.000 If, Phil, to your point, if they are bringing blights that are affecting farm and crops and things, then sure, stop them.

01:29:05.000 But just the idea that foreigners can own farmland doesn't bother me.

01:29:08.000 But if there's some additional thing going on, I think that who the foreigner is matters.

01:29:12.000 I think that China is China's an adversary, right? 0.99

01:29:16.000 They're not rivals.

01:29:17.000 We're not partners.

01:29:19.000 China is an adversary of the opposite. 0.97

01:29:21.000 Maybe we should get selling debt to them then.

01:29:22.000 Let's make behavior.

01:29:23.000 Yes.

01:29:24.000 So again, the bigger picture here that I see is you're sitting in your rocking chair, sipping your delicious sun tea as the Chinese peasant comes over and asks you, Sa, what would you like to eat?

01:29:35.000 And you're like, this is great.

01:29:37.000 And behind you, they're cutting, they're tearing down the walls of your home.

01:29:40.000 They're pissing and crapping all over the place.

01:29:42.000 And you're like, I don't care because I'm getting it good right now.

01:29:45.000 And then there's a 17-year-old guy watching it happen, going, bro, why are you doing this right now?

01:29:50.000 And you're like, who cares?

01:29:51.000 It's great.

01:29:52.000 So an example of that is China, for instance, has birth tourism.

01:29:57.000 So I forgot the number.

01:29:58.000 There's a story recently.

01:30:01.000 There are companies in China that fly women to the United States to give birth and immediately fly back.

01:30:06.000 There's something like 30,000 in the past couple of years.

01:30:09.000 These are U.S. citizens now exploiting our laws for one purpose.

01:30:13.000 In 20 years, in 30 years, they're going to come back as full-fledged citizens, but loyal to the Chinese Communist Party. 0.83

01:30:19.000 They are building up control in our country.

01:30:21.000 And their strategy is we can conquer these bloated gluttons because they love it.

01:30:28.000 Right now, they are more than happy to sell out this country for a short-term gain.

01:30:33.000 30 years from now, they will be our servants.

01:30:36.000 I would be happy to have a constitutional amendment that restricts citizenship to people that are descended from a citizen. 1.00

01:30:42.000 And that's all well and great.

01:30:43.000 And we agree, except the issue is that right now that's not the case.

01:30:46.000 Okay.

01:30:46.000 I'm not.

01:30:47.000 I mean, if we're talking about 0.2% of farmland, like that is a small enough thing that you could maybe compel me to go.

01:30:54.000 The location matters what land.

01:30:55.000 Yeah, they're out there outside military bases.

01:30:57.000 Okay.

01:30:58.000 So like, like, if you can make a compelling argument that it's going to impel national security there, you might.

01:31:02.000 Why let any of it happen at all?

01:31:05.000 You know, like, I'm just, so, so I do care about comparative advantage because I think that that's kind of found.

01:31:10.000 How many refugees do you have in your house?

01:31:11.000 Just to finish, comparative advantage, we're getting kind of to the root of economics, right?

01:31:15.000 That's why I'm big on that.

01:31:17.000 We don't live in a zero-sum world.

01:31:18.000 I don't want to go back to a zero-sum world.

01:31:20.000 We tried that for 2,000 years.

01:31:21.000 It's bad.

01:31:22.000 Okay, I got a question for you.

01:31:23.000 But with like 0.2%, if I'm like an eight on comparative advantage in terms of how much I care, I'm like a three on this 0.2% farmland thing.

01:31:31.000 So like if like I could concede that I'm not as bothered by that one.

01:31:34.000 All right, I got a question for you.

01:31:36.000 How big is your house?

01:31:38.000 I don't know.

01:31:39.000 I've got two bedrooms.

01:31:40.000 Two bedrooms?

01:31:40.000 Yeah.

01:31:41.000 Using both of them?

01:31:42.000 Yeah, I use one to sleep in.

01:31:44.000 I use one to film in.

01:31:45.000 Oh, so you got extra space.

01:31:46.000 It would economically benefit you if I could get one of my friends from Guadalajara to come and stay in your place.

01:31:51.000 We're going to do that whether you want it to or not.

01:31:54.000 And they're going to stay in my place against my will on my private property?

01:31:58.000 Well, that's what's happening in the United States.

01:31:59.000 Is the United States not the of the American people? 0.72

01:32:04.000 So if we're talking about immigration, here's what I want.

01:32:06.000 I want wide gates and high walls.

01:32:09.000 I want there to be good security to make sure that bad actors don't come into the United States, that there aren't gangs coming in, there aren't criminals coming in.

01:32:15.000 But I do want there to be a lot of activities.

01:32:17.000 I got a question.

01:32:19.000 It's a blizzard outside.

01:32:20.000 Terrible blizzard.

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:21.000 And there's a woman, as I knock on your door as a pregnant woman. 0.99

01:32:23.000 And she says, can I please come in and shelter from this terrible storm?

01:32:27.000 Would you let her in?

01:32:28.000 All right.

01:32:28.000 Probably.

01:32:29.000 So you let her in, and then she goes, oh, I'm going into labor. 1.00

01:32:31.000 I'm having my baby right now.

01:32:33.000 Should that child be allowed to own a piece of your house 20 years later? 0.99

01:32:37.000 No, but again, like I would say, like I'm happy.

01:32:40.000 I think the basic idea of birthright citizenship based on soil was a bad idea.

01:32:45.000 Agreed.

01:32:45.000 So considering the fact that it is still in place and we are experiencing this attack from an adversary, should this woman come to your house and say, let me in so I can give birth?

01:32:54.000 Would you want to cut off all immigration? 1.00

01:32:55.000 I would.

01:32:57.000 I would a decade at least.

01:32:59.000 You would cut off all immigration for like in every sector for at least 10 years, yeah.

01:33:03.000 I would say we don't need to have any more immigration. 0.98

01:33:07.000 We've got, you know, we had, what, 20 million or so people that came to the country.

01:33:11.000 We have to sort out who can stay and who can go or who needs to go.

01:33:15.000 I personally think that there's no problem with having a 10-year moratorium on immigration and we deport all people that are illegal.

01:33:21.000 What is America?

01:33:26.000 Be more specific.

01:33:28.000 I could define the country very, very easily.

01:33:30.000 Okay.

01:33:31.000 I'm asking you, when someone asks you what America is, what would you say?

01:33:35.000 The United States of America is a sovereign state in North America based on classical liberalism.

01:33:42.000 I would say that America, the description is that what is it, that a nation is a people and a country is its borders or something that affect.

01:33:51.000 So I would argue that the United States of America is a people with a long-standing history and tradition and unified culture that was built from rejecting one tyrant 3,000 miles away in exchange for 3,000 tyrants one mile away.

01:34:05.000 Just to quote the Patriot, brilliant.

01:34:07.000 We have an American tradition built on the wars that we've fought, the things that we've built.

01:34:13.000 These things are deeply rooted in a variety of sports and foods.

01:34:18.000 We are told now by a large faction of people that we have no culture, and that is rooted in what the left describes as multiculturalism.

01:34:26.000 So what I'm seeing happen right now is when I look at this picture of Donald Trump talking about tariffs, he represents the nation of America.

01:34:34.000 We are two distinct worldviews, a multicultural democracy, which does not believe in classical liberalism or American tradition.

01:34:42.000 And we are a constitutional republic that does.

01:34:45.000 Libertarians occupy a weird space where I believe that, and I'm not saying you're libertarian, I'm saying libertarians because they swing the vote a point or two, exist in the space of it should be legal for me to do and I'll vote for it.

01:34:56.000 Like the principal moral foundation of libertarianism is my right to liberty.

01:35:01.000 Yeah.

01:35:01.000 So what we gay marriage and pot, good.

01:35:03.000 What we have, and right.

01:35:05.000 So I think gay marriage is a really great example.

01:35:08.000 Support for gay marriage is dropping for the first among Gen Z.

01:35:11.000 It's the first generation where we see an inversion because boomers were opposed, Gen X was kind of okay. 0.99

01:35:18.000 Millennials were largely okay. 0.84

01:35:19.000 Gen Z went the other direction. 0.72

01:35:21.000 And interestingly, Gen Z dropped dramatically from like 2020 to 2022, which is indicative of a couple things.

01:35:27.000 One, that there was a cultural shift among Gen Z, which is much harder to accomplish and less likely.

01:35:31.000 Or two, younger Gen Z moving into adulthood already held anti-gay marriage views.

01:35:39.000 The gay marriage is a great example because the liberals said, let two guys or two women get married and do their thing. 0.99

01:35:46.000 What's the worst that's going to happen?

01:35:47.000 I mean, it's not like they're going to be teaching about sodomy in schools, narrator.

01:35:51.000 They started teaching about sodomy in schools.

01:35:53.000 So the conservative argument has largely been, okay, we've got to get rid of all of this because we can see that the slippery slope wasn't a fallacy.

01:35:59.000 It was a fact.

01:36:00.000 The actual American traditional, the constitutional republicanist, American liberal view is gay marriage is fine. 0.94

01:36:07.000 We just have to ban the sodomy stuff in the schools. 0.93

01:36:09.000 Conservatives go back and say, no, no, no, reverse it because it was proven bad.

01:36:13.000 The left says, you're all fascist.

01:36:15.000 We're going to keep doing more.

01:36:17.000 The question is, how do you end up with a voting bloc in your country that wants to do away with your own way of life?

01:36:25.000 These people are not America. 0.80

01:36:28.000 To back up a little bit, so Phil, you would have a tenure moratorium.

01:36:31.000 You want some amount of immigrants. 1.00

01:36:32.000 Is that right?

01:36:33.000 Indeed, yes.

01:36:33.000 So like, I don't want unlimited immigrants.

01:36:36.000 I do want more immigrants.

01:36:37.000 I think part of the reason, pre-Biden, that we had a big influx of immigration over the last 20 years is we basically set the speed limit too low and we're surprised that people are still. 1.00

01:36:45.000 You want more immigrants than we have now? 1.00

01:36:47.000 Yeah, but I want them legal and I want to focus it on ways that are going to be productive in America.

01:36:52.000 There's an estimate of 50 million non-citizens currently in the United States that are either permanent residents or illegal immigrants.

01:37:01.000 So I'd love to get more H-1B visas in.

01:37:05.000 I also like, I flew down to the border.

01:37:07.000 So like Dunkin' Donuts and stuff?

01:37:09.000 Like Dunkin' Donuts?

01:37:11.000 That's what they're doing, yeah.

01:37:11.000 For H-1B?

01:37:13.000 I don't want to besmirch the good name of Dunkin' Donuts, but there were store clerks for donut shops and bank clerks that were H-1Bs. 0.99

01:37:20.000 I would love to be a brain drain on the rest of the world and have the smartest people in other places come over.

01:37:25.000 That's not H-1B.

01:37:25.000 You're talking about 0-1.

01:37:27.000 You're talking about like 0-1, 0-2.

01:37:28.000 You're talking about K-visas. 0.99

01:37:30.000 H-1Bs are not brain drains.

01:37:33.000 Then I digress in the H-1B specifically, but I would love to be a brain drain on the rest of the world.

01:37:36.000 H-1Bs are, we can't find anybody in this country, so we'll look somewhere else. 1.00

01:37:40.000 Yeah, I think they do that a lot with software and things like that.

01:37:42.000 It's all a lie.

01:37:42.000 Which is all fake.

01:37:45.000 I flew down to the border two, three years ago.

01:37:47.000 I hung out with the Border Patrol.

01:37:49.000 I hung out with people down there.

01:37:50.000 Talk to farmers.

01:37:51.000 Farmers are an incredible disadvantage if they want to be legal at the moment because it's incredibly difficult to hire people legally through the process.

01:37:58.000 One of the things that we've got in the country is we require if you have legal immigrant labor, it has to be so high as to try to make it competitive for Americans doing it. 0.89

01:38:08.000 And they still suffer for it.

01:38:10.000 They still can't get people in, right?

01:38:11.000 We actually don't have enough people that would do basic agricultural stuff in the United States.

01:38:16.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:38:17.000 How do you feel about war with Iran?

01:38:19.000 I don't want to go to war with Iran.

01:38:21.000 Do you know why we are going to war with Iran?

01:38:25.000 We've wanted to get rid of the Ayatollah since the 1980s. 1.00

01:38:29.000 I don't know.

01:38:29.000 What do you think?

01:38:30.000 The Ayatollah's largely object to the liberal economic order, the petrodollar system.

01:38:36.000 They want to trade oil in other currencies, and they are not letting up on threatening the Red Sea, which, of course, are access to the Suez.

01:38:45.000 The United States global hegemony is largely prefaced upon the fact that we control all trade.

01:38:50.000 We police the seas.

01:38:51.000 We're the world police.

01:38:53.000 The problem with the United States and the petrodollar system is that we don't produce enough.

01:38:57.000 We don't export enough.

01:38:58.000 In order to maintain a strong economy, there's a bunch of factors, but one simple component is you need to produce more than you import.

01:39:06.000 You need to make more stuff than you're buying.

01:39:08.000 It goes back to that zero-sum thing.

01:39:09.000 Like an attorney and a doctor have a trade deficit with their grocery store, and they're doing fine.

01:39:14.000 So aren't we the second largest exporter?

01:39:15.000 So let's just make it real simple for you.

01:39:18.000 If you make $100 a week and you're spending $120, what happens to you?

01:39:21.000 Yeah, that'll go bankrupt.

01:39:22.000 That's not a trade deficit, though.

01:39:23.000 That's a spending deficit.

01:39:24.000 So back to the point I was making, irrespective of, I don't know what point you're trying to make.

01:39:28.000 In order for a simple component of what an economy is strong is when it is selling more than it's buying.

01:39:36.000 Like anyone else, you are making more money than you are spending.

01:39:39.000 You then have more money to invest.

01:39:41.000 And another easy way to explain it is they estimate that, you know, this, today you need like $150,000 a year to live what was once described as middle-class median.

01:39:51.000 So you get two weeks of vacation, you got clean clothes, you got healthcare, you got a place to live, you can have a family.

01:39:55.000 Well, if you make $150,000 a year, you're not really saving if you are living comfortably.

01:40:00.000 You're going to cut back on some things you might think you need, but you'll save a little bit.

01:40:05.000 If you're making $250,000 a year after taxes, you're going to have probably like 50K to invest, allowing you to grow your wealth.

01:40:12.000 This is why it's important for countries to sell more than they buy.

01:40:15.000 The U.S. is the exception.

01:40:16.000 The reason for it is we don't do that, but we will kill you if you don't spend our money for oil.

01:40:23.000 So for, let's just say like Russia, back when it was solely the petrodollar system, they would have to use rubles to buy dollars so they could use the dollars to buy oil.

01:40:34.000 And the United States exported just the fact that we'll kill you if you don't lose our money. 0.54

01:40:39.000 That is a wonderful system.

01:40:41.000 If you believe in free trade, open borders, it works perfectly so long as you are willing to blow up other countries and assassinate world leaders who try to build a global order outside of the U.S. dollar.

01:40:52.000 As the BRICS nations begin expanding and Iran seeks admittance, I think they may have gotten it with BRICS, the U.S. largely is getting pissed off.

01:41:01.000 The war in Syria largely is about the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, where the U.S. said, we want to build this oil pipeline from Qatar through Syria, Turkey, into Europe because Russia is charging too much money.

01:41:12.000 They control about 20% of natural gas through Gazprom.

01:41:15.000 Syria responded that Vladimir Putin is our ally and for this we won't allow you to do it.

01:41:20.000 So the U.S. said, then we will kill you.

01:41:22.000 At first, they negotiated and then they refused.

01:41:24.000 Simply put, I believe it is fair to say the liberal economic order system, Swift Payment, IMF, big banks, all of that is built around the United States is the world police, the police of the oceans and international trade.

01:41:37.000 And for this reason, Americans will live like those in Capitol City, the hunger games, so long as we're willing to drop bombs on the people who try to break that system.

01:41:44.000 Notably, Muhammad Margadafi, who wanted to create an African union and trade gold dinars for oil, and Saddam Hussein, who wanted to trade oil for a Euro.

01:41:53.000 And so the U.S. said, now you're going to die.

01:41:56.000 And then they did.

01:41:57.000 So I think we have growing degrees of overlap now.

01:42:00.000 I'm unabashed free trader.

01:42:02.000 I'm very much free trading.

01:42:03.000 You cannot exist without a strong economy that produces more than it's buying.

01:42:06.000 Immigration.

01:42:08.000 I'm not for open borders.

01:42:09.000 I do want more immigrants to come in legally, but it sounds like you also want legal immigration.

01:42:13.000 So we're talking about a question of degree there.

01:42:15.000 Yeah, I'm an intervention skeptic.

01:42:17.000 So I don't want to be bombing other countries if they're socialists.

01:42:20.000 If you want to maintain a strong American economy that engages in the trade practices that you believe in, it requires us to blow up anybody who would oppose the petrodollar system.

01:42:32.000 In order for me to be in favor of free trade, I have to blow up anybody that is not using dollars.

01:42:40.000 That's the position.

01:42:41.000 So let's elaborate.

01:42:43.000 Because if you want to give our manufacturing to a foreign country so we become an import nation, we are not producing enough to sell to the rest of the world.

01:42:53.000 How do we maintain an economy when we are spending more than we generate?

01:42:56.000 Right.

01:42:57.000 Okay.

01:42:57.000 So here, I think you've got a point in terms of deficit spending.

01:43:00.000 We're spending way more money than we have.

01:43:02.000 And we survive because we will kill anybody who tries to break that system.

01:43:06.000 So the debt doesn't matter if we've got guns pointed at everyone's head, right?

01:43:10.000 Like, I'll put it this way.

01:43:11.000 Let's say you take $100 from your buddy and you go and blow it on cocaine.

01:43:18.000 And then he comes to you and says, where's my money?

01:43:20.000 And you pull out a gun and say, your money's gone.

01:43:22.000 What's he going to do?

01:43:23.000 He's going to put his hands up, turn on, and walk away, and your debt's cleared, right?

01:43:26.000 That's America.

01:43:27.000 So I'm worried about the national debt.

01:43:27.000 I don't.

01:43:30.000 We might have some commonality there.

01:43:32.000 The national debt's separate than a trade deficit.

01:43:34.000 They're not the same thing.

01:43:36.000 With the national debt, like most of the debt is held by Americans.

01:43:39.000 And so that is something that could happen.

01:43:41.000 It's not like we can hold the world hostage.

01:43:43.000 If oil is produced in the Middle East, they have to purchase U.S. dollars first.

01:43:48.000 Because we're the international reserve currency, yeah.

01:43:50.000 What does that mean?

01:43:51.000 It means that whenever anybody's doing an international transaction, they're using dollars to do it.

01:43:55.000 So if China's purchasing something, China has to give us money, right?

01:43:59.000 Right.

01:44:00.000 It's also part of why we're able to get away with so much deficit spending because we can inflate it away to other people.

01:44:04.000 That's exactly the point.

01:44:06.000 The only way we maintain an export, I'm sorry, an import economy is by forcing everybody to give us their currency.

01:44:14.000 And then what do we do with their currency?

01:44:15.000 We buy their labor and resources from just the fact that we – listen, we don't produce the oil, right?

01:44:23.000 Like we do produce a lot of oil.

01:44:24.000 But let's say a barrel of oil is made in Saudi Arabia.

01:44:28.000 Let's say China, easy example, wants to buy that.

01:44:34.000 Up until recently, they started trading in Wan and Saudi Arabia got off the petrodollar contract.

01:44:39.000 But historically, China wants to buy that oil from Saudi Arabia, for which we have no involvement whatsoever.

01:44:46.000 What does China have to do first?

01:44:48.000 They come to the United States and say, we want to buy this barrel of oil.

01:44:52.000 We need dollars to do it.

01:44:54.000 So we're going to give you Chinese currency for literally no reason.

01:44:58.000 And then we're going to get dollars in exchange to buy the oil with.

01:45:01.000 It's a really good gig.

01:45:02.000 And so what happens is the U.S. now has access to Chinese labor for nothing. 0.87

01:45:08.000 When you do that, you can maintain an import economy.

01:45:13.000 I think that, again, I think you're right in terms of the deficit, because if we've got a spending deficit and other people are using our currency, when we inflate it, they bear part of that burden.

01:45:22.000 So we're able to do that.

01:45:23.000 Again, I'm not talking about that.

01:45:24.000 Yeah, but like with the trade deficit, though, like, okay.

01:45:26.000 I'm saying you've got a doctor.

01:45:28.000 But I'm not talking about any of that.

01:45:30.000 I am saying that China has to tithe to the United States in order to buy oil.

01:45:35.000 We get access to Chinese labor in exchange for nothing. 0.99

01:45:39.000 We do not give China anything other than we print a dollar and say, we'll give you a dollar for your wand, which means when you want to, you want to buy that scarf off Ian. 0.85

01:45:49.000 And I have a gun pointed at you, and I say, you've got it first.

01:45:53.000 Give me something of yours before I'll let you trade with Ian.

01:45:56.000 And you say, but you haven't done anything.

01:45:58.000 I got the gun.

01:45:58.000 I say, I don't care.

01:45:59.000 Yeah, I'm not for bombing other countries if they want to.

01:46:02.000 This is how we maintain an import economy, sending our jobs overseas.

01:46:06.000 We tell everybody, use the dollar or die.

01:46:08.000 That means we get access to your labor if you want to buy oil from someone else.

01:46:12.000 And they do it.

01:46:13.000 And that's why we've got, how many aircraft carriers do we have?

01:46:15.000 17 or 10.

01:46:16.000 I think 11.

01:46:17.000 11.

01:46:18.000 Aren't we the second largest export economy?

01:46:20.000 Have I got that wrong?

01:46:22.000 We might be a very large.

01:46:23.000 My point is, sending our factories overseas and the jobs happening somewhere else means we don't have workers that are going to be producing things and trading amongst themselves.

01:46:33.000 So how do we provide a laptop to a person who is providing very little to the rest of the world?

01:46:38.000 Would you oppose companies that can automate on those same grounds?

01:46:42.000 Like they can have a thousand employees, they can replace half of them with robots.

01:46:45.000 Would you stop that by law?

01:46:47.000 It depends on the circumstances of which company and where.

01:46:51.000 Most manufacturing in the United States went away through automation.

01:46:54.000 Indeed.

01:46:55.000 Compared to trade.

01:46:56.000 Trade is minimal.

01:46:58.000 First, it would entirely depend on which company, which factory, the degree of necessity for the product, and it would also the sector of the economy and how much it would be damaged.

01:47:08.000 So the easy answer is usually automation is great.

01:47:10.000 it's got to be tapered.

01:47:11.000 So if we've got little robots that are going to come and make shoes from now on, then we have to have some kind of tapering process by which when a company brings, so yes, government must intervene.

01:47:21.000 Otherwise, what you end up with is shantytown slums and depressions. 0.99

01:47:24.000 So a great example of this is the accusations against Tom's shoes.

01:47:30.000 Are you familiar with Tom's shoes?

01:47:31.000 I've heard of them, but you're going to have to fill me in on this.

01:47:33.000 The accusation is the story was that they said, for every shoe of ours you buy, we donate a pair of shoes to someone in Africa.

01:47:40.000 I know that much, yeah.

01:47:41.000 Destroyed their economy.

01:47:42.000 Because what happened was these small towns had shoemakers, cobblers. 1.00

01:47:45.000 And one day, the cobbler had no job.

01:47:48.000 People stopped coming and buying from him because the people all had clean American cheap shoes.

01:47:53.000 And so the economy was destroyed by free.

01:47:57.000 When a factory says, we're going to fire 100 people and we're going to bring in robots to do the job, you now have 100 people who no longer have customers.

01:48:05.000 The customer was the factory who said, we'll pay you in exchange for your labor.

01:48:08.000 Now you have a whole bunch of people who can't feed their families.

01:48:11.000 They end up becoming homeless.

01:48:12.000 Some of them may get drug addicted.

01:48:14.000 A lot of bad things happen from that.

01:48:15.000 We don't want economic destabilization to happen overnight.

01:48:19.000 So we don't want companies to be able to just fire 100 workers and bring in a bunch of robots.

01:48:23.000 In this instance, you're concerned with the speed of the transition rather than the transition itself.

01:48:28.000 Indeed.

01:48:29.000 Okay.

01:48:29.000 So like what normally happens with automation is somebody does a job, a robot is made, the job goes away, but more jobs are created.

01:48:37.000 And there are people that are kept in the pinch.

01:48:38.000 In what way?

01:48:40.000 What jobs?

01:48:42.000 Coding jobs?

01:48:43.000 Farming, for example.

01:48:45.000 So a factory assembly worker knows how to farm?

01:48:48.000 To finish, what I'm saying is you on net, automation produces more jobs than it gets rid of.

01:48:54.000 But it doesn't.

01:48:55.000 See, this is again, GraphCo Up macroeconomic.

01:48:58.000 Tim, to let me finish.

01:48:58.000 Just ignoring that.

01:49:00.000 If factories work, you can't farm.

01:49:02.000 Answer that, or your point means that it makes no sense.

01:49:04.000 I am acknowledging that there are people that are in the pinch and we need to have things for people in the pinch.

01:49:08.000 But what I'm saying is universal basic income.

01:49:10.000 Maybe, I don't know, job retraining, something.

01:49:13.000 Job retraining is fake.

01:49:15.000 But in terms of automation in general, I shouldn't say in general, on the macro, over time, produces more jobs than it gets rid of.

01:49:22.000 And it creates better jobs in the process.

01:49:25.000 This is all macro argument nonsense that just manipulates people and not understanding what is actually going on in our system.

01:49:32.000 So the question is.

01:49:33.000 Be horrible if we all go back to being farmers and how old are 90% of the population.

01:49:38.000 How old are you?

01:49:38.000 No one is saying that.

01:49:39.000 I'm 42.

01:49:40.000 42.

01:49:41.000 Will you ever be as good at writing music as Phil Labonte?

01:49:44.000 No.

01:49:45.000 So when you lose your job to automation, what job retraining can you get if the only job available is rock star?

01:49:50.000 Now, obviously, it's not rock star, but the point is this: a 50-year-old assembly line worker who gets fired because a robot came in is not going to learn to code.

01:49:58.000 It's never going to happen.

01:49:59.000 So, what do we say for that person in this economy?

01:50:01.000 There's going to have to be some protectionism.

01:50:03.000 My point, Tim, was not that there's going to be any problems with it.

01:50:07.000 It was just that overall, you still want progress, automation, dynamicism to happen.

01:50:13.000 You want to make sure that it's slow so that people can adjust.

01:50:16.000 Am I ready to go?

01:50:17.000 And what I am sick of is the manipulation that we experience.

01:50:22.000 Learn to code is a great example.

01:50:24.000 Hashtag learn to code.

01:50:25.000 And this is what I think largely motivates MAGA, the people who understand this.

01:50:31.000 Someone says to you, No, no, if we bring in the robots, we create more jobs in the long run.

01:50:37.000 And that sounds really good to someone who doesn't know what you just said.

01:50:40.000 What you said is 1,000 people will become homeless, destitute, and their families will starve, but 1,000 Indians on H-1Bs will get coding jobs. 0.83

01:50:48.000 So I'm open to the idea that we need to have things in place to make sure that the transition doesn't happen so rapidly.

01:50:54.000 If you were to automate all cars tomorrow, you would have a lot of problems, right?

01:50:57.000 The driver is the most common job in America.

01:51:00.000 My point was not that, you know, screw them.

01:51:03.000 That's not what I'm saying here.

01:51:04.000 What I'm saying is that overall, you do want to have that dynamism and innovation, right?

01:51:09.000 And so the issue.

01:51:10.000 And it's overall right now, me being 42, I'm from Oklahoma.

01:51:14.000 It's good that I'm able to podcast and talk with you.

01:51:16.000 It's good that we're all doing this.

01:51:17.000 If you were living 100 years ago, we'd all be farmers.

01:51:19.000 It's a good thing that we've been able to make those jobs more efficient.

01:51:22.000 And I see that as a corollary to the free trade issue, where we're able to get more money, we're able to specialize more, we're able to be more productive.

01:51:29.000 I think we hit the nail on the head with this point.

01:51:32.000 And it kind of exemplifies everything in that when you give away a job, a factory, what you are saying is 1,000, when that factory decides to close down, 1,000 people work at the factory will now be destitute.

01:51:46.000 But don't worry, 1,000 Chinese laborers will make one-tenth of what they were making, and China will be very happy to receive that. 1.00

01:51:51.000 Is it okay for companies to go bankrupt?

01:51:54.000 Okay, so you're all right with that.

01:51:54.000 Is it okay?

01:51:56.000 Well, I mean, that's a natural element of failure, and it happens.

01:51:59.000 Okay.

01:52:00.000 And so the difference here is sometimes businesses fail, and that's sad.

01:52:05.000 A business choosing to lay off a thousand people to hire a thousand Chinese at a tenth of the price. 0.99

01:52:10.000 Or robots.

01:52:11.000 Or robots is evil.

01:52:14.000 What would you do to stop the automation?

01:52:16.000 You don't stop the automation, but you have to have a tapering plan in place, not just for the sake of the individual whose life would be ruined.

01:52:23.000 But for the sake of your own country, so your economy doesn't collapse.

01:52:27.000 Pitch me on this, because if you get laid off at 50 and your job no longer exists, it's going to be very difficult to find a job with a comparable income to get training.

01:52:37.000 I don't disagree on this, right?

01:52:37.000 That's not going to happen.

01:52:38.000 And so what would that policy-wise, what would you do to taper it?

01:52:41.000 What would that look like?

01:52:42.000 Like you're saying if we have a bunch of Optimus robots that can make cars, how will we taper it off?

01:52:46.000 Yeah.

01:52:47.000 And you can hire, you can only bring on 10% of the Optimus bots per year or something.

01:52:51.000 Or every two years.

01:52:51.000 Okay.

01:52:52.000 There would be like an automation law.

01:52:54.000 You can only replace X amount of your workforce over because the Chinese are going up zero to 100. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Hey, when you have free trade and no protectionism, exactly correct.

01:53:03.000 C-Dance, they're just at fuck IP law. 0.60

01:53:04.000 They don't care about any of them.

01:53:05.000 They're going all the way, disrupting the entire planet.

01:53:09.000 And this is why if the U.S. does not find a way to stabilize itself and rely on itself, we are cooked.

01:53:16.000 IP law is gone because China doesn't care and there's no restrictions. 0.97

01:53:21.000 They had a massive attack on OpenAI just today.

01:53:24.000 OpenAI announced it.

01:53:26.000 The three of the biggest Chinese AIs basically were just pinging it millions of times, basically stealing the code from you. 0.97

01:53:36.000 And then I'm sorry, but you're like, I don't care if China owns our land. 0.96

01:53:40.000 And it's bad that they're having birthright citizenship, but it's happening. 0.99

01:53:42.000 My general problem with this whole thing is that if it's just like free trade, kind of laissez-faire, like path of least resistance, that insidious machines within government will take advantage of that.

01:53:54.000 Easy like yeah, we're just going along to get along, and literally the Chinese will just buy us out and then own us with, like yeah, short-term gain, long-term losses and the. 0.99

01:54:04.000 Let me ask you this question, if the Chinese Communist Party came to you and said, i'll give you 10 million dollars today to sell out your country no, but this is what so many people are doing, that that that's the whole point.

01:54:16.000 If we're looking at the, automation is a great point and and Ian's point is great, if we have free trade at the same time as automation, we're basically saying to the American worker, you'll be left holding an empty bag overnight, learn to code, good luck.

01:54:28.000 The only problem is the H-1bs are bringing in, are bringing in the coders, because Americans don't know how AI can code better than a human AI can go. 0.99

01:54:35.000 Now we're vibe coding, Andrew.

01:54:36.000 Like, can you define what you mean when you say free trade?

01:54:39.000 Also, it's a very common word.

01:54:40.000 I'd love to hear a quick definition.

01:54:42.000 Uh it, it just means you can, you can freely purchase goods from other countries and that you're you're not impeded with tariffs.

01:54:49.000 Um, so if, if you're gonna sell watermelons for two dollars, I can import the watermelons for two dollars, minus the logistics of getting it from you to me.

01:54:57.000 My concern is about corporate corporatocracy and a corporation taking control in a country and then serving as the de facto government, like Amazon.

01:55:04.000 And if, if Amazon can do whatever it wants and sell to anyone on the planet because that's my right that they'll just make it cheaper and more robotic and less human and then all of a sudden they'll own the food supplies and they'll own I mean I I i'm, i'm glad Amazon's around.

01:55:20.000 Like Amazon's made my life far easier and it it provides tons of jobs.

01:55:24.000 I'm pretty prosper.

01:55:25.000 They they, I think, start at a pretty high, high rate compared to a lot of other jobs.

01:55:29.000 It's above minimum wage.

01:55:30.000 So, like I, I don't think like, maybe maybe there are other examples you could give but like Amazon to me is all alphabet taking control of the economy.

01:55:38.000 We absolutely got to grab super chats and rumble rants, but this was a lot of fun.

01:55:42.000 So you know I, I get wrapped up in it.

01:55:44.000 But let's, let's grab this because we can continue in the uncensored platform.

01:55:46.000 Yeah, in the after show, go to the Rumble after show, because we're going to keep going.

01:55:49.000 All right, let's grab some of your, your comments, and is as well, it's already 953.

01:55:53.000 We only got a few minutes.

01:55:54.000 I apologize, andre.

01:55:56.000 Uh, Tugulescu says Handlin's Razor is the psyop to cover for other psyops.

01:56:01.000 What is that one Handlin's Razor?

01:56:03.000 Can I jump in because I know this one Handlin's?

01:56:04.000 Okay, so Occam's Razor is the idea that the simplest solutions or the simplest explanation is probably the most likely.

01:56:11.000 Hanlon's Razor is, do not attribute to malice or conspiracy that which can be understood by sloth or incompetency.

01:56:18.000 So basically, if there's ambiguity and it might be a conspiracy or it might be an idiot, assume it's probably an idiot indeed. 0.50

01:56:26.000 Uh, it was literally.

01:56:27.000 Wolf says, no no, it had nothing to do with you, all right.

01:56:30.000 Wolf says, can we get the British guy with tourettes to attend the state of the Union, please?

01:56:36.000 Everybody knows what happened.

01:56:38.000 No, i'll take you as well.

01:56:40.000 Of course not.

01:56:40.000 I heard about this guy screaming profanity with then.

01:56:44.000 You know what happened.

01:56:44.000 What do you mean?

01:56:44.000 I don't know, I didn't look into it.

01:56:46.000 Is it?

01:56:46.000 Was it Bafta or something?

01:56:47.000 I'm not sure what it was, but he was real, like nasty, what he screamed, or something.

01:56:47.000 What was it?

01:56:52.000 Yes, he did.

01:56:52.000 No sorry no, no words came out, all right.

01:56:57.000 Omega Resetsu says for the anti-tariff people, tariffs are why Japan and Korea built plants in the?

01:57:02.000 U.s.

01:57:02.000 Instead of floating cars to the U.s.

01:57:04.000 I say we need to tariff Apple by 300 until domestic consumption equals 70 of production.

01:57:09.000 Uh, I appreciate the the kind feedback to your listener.

01:57:13.000 Um, if you were to look at how much it would cost to manufacture an IPod in the United States, I think it would increase by something like 10,000 or not.

01:57:19.000 IPod, IPhone.

01:57:20.000 It increased by like $10,000 or so.

01:57:22.000 So I think it would be prohibitive if you tried to do that just here.

01:57:25.000 Here's the best part.

01:57:26.000 If we didn't have the petro dollar, it would cost the exact same thing made in Korea or China or at Foxconn.

01:57:33.000 And without maintaining a balanced economy and proper spending, I'll put it like this.

01:57:42.000 If the petrodollar system collapses, your laptop is going to cost you 10 grand.

01:57:46.000 Like the fact that we get laptops for $1,000 as a stable, bro.

01:57:50.000 I went to Best Buy last week and there's a 90-inch TV for like $300.

01:57:55.000 Just like, geez, man.

01:57:58.000 You know, sometimes I question whether or not we should go to war with Iran, but then I see these TVs and I'm just like, well, you know, we can bomb some of them, right? 0.98

01:58:05.000 I'm kidding.

01:58:06.000 But that's how we do it, baby.

01:58:08.000 That's how we do it.

01:58:10.000 Mason says, this is why I hate libertarians.

01:58:12.000 How many jobs can be sent to foreign countries before there is no more country?

01:58:15.000 And when you would argue against it, the graph kept going up.

01:58:19.000 I think the argument, an interesting argument, would be, what if 100% of jobs were done elsewhere?

01:58:26.000 That wouldn't work.

01:58:27.000 Why not?

01:58:28.000 Because then you wouldn't have any income at all.

01:58:31.000 Okay, so what percent of income do you need to maintain your jobs going to foreign countries?

01:58:36.000 Again, I go back to the example here.

01:58:38.000 Your doctor and your attorney have a trade deficit with their grocery store.

01:58:41.000 It doesn't mean that they're imperiled.

01:58:44.000 We're still a gigantic manufacturing economy.

01:58:46.000 The difference between us now versus us in the 50s is that we do high-end stuff.

01:58:51.000 We still make things in the country.

01:58:53.000 We export a tremendous amount.

01:58:54.000 We export the largest exportable.

01:58:57.000 What percent of American jobs could we give away before we collapse?

01:59:00.000 I don't know.

01:59:01.000 But there is a number.

01:59:03.000 Sure.

01:59:04.000 Well, right, because you said if we gave away all our jobs, there's no country anymore.

01:59:08.000 So to give away the jobs would imply that we're being able, we're doing it because we're purchasing things.

01:59:14.000 We'd need money to purchase the things to begin with.

01:59:16.000 So I don't think you could get to that point.

01:59:18.000 Well, why not?

01:59:19.000 Government prints the money.

01:59:20.000 I mean, look, the cars manufactured in China are sold in other places.

01:59:24.000 Yeah.

01:59:25.000 Or cars made in Mexico get sold in other places.

01:59:27.000 In the same way that you can automate jobs and you're going to destroy jobs, but you're going to create more jobs in the process by getting cheaper parts and having jobs created in the process of automation.

01:59:38.000 Oh, I mean, like what we're doing right now.

01:59:40.000 I mean, like, again, if we were to go back to like 1940, more like one of us would be a farmer in the room.

01:59:46.000 One of us would probably be doing like ledger sheets that don't exist anymore.

01:59:52.000 I definitely wouldn't be able to do my job like a social media manager.

01:59:56.000 I question whether or not any of that is a good thing.

01:59:59.000 I don't want to go back to 1900.

02:00:03.000 I think it's good that people can operate in all sorts of different careers that didn't exist 100 years ago.

02:00:09.000 Largely disagree.

02:00:10.000 Where would you want to go back to?

02:00:12.000 I don't know about going back anywhere, but I think it's a problem that people are fat, lazy, slothful, locked in their houses and don't have anything to do.

02:00:18.000 They've become listless and without passion.

02:00:23.000 They've sought ideological addiction to fill the holes in their world and they've become violent psychopaths.

02:00:28.000 I saw a video of a guy who went to an ICE protest stand in Minnesota where they were giving away hand warmers, gloves, coats, food, hot chocolate.

02:00:39.000 And I thought to myself, how incredible that we have such tremendous abundance that people literally don't have to work and can get free food and clothing just for saying an idea outside.

02:00:49.000 That's a bad thing.

02:00:51.000 I think people should actually have to have some attachment to their lives and reality in order to exist.

02:00:56.000 But the country right now is at this inflection point where I would argue it's massively detrimental to get to, let me do this because we're talking about Star Trek.

02:01:06.000 We got to go in two minutes.

02:01:08.000 I'll say one thing real quick.

02:01:10.000 If we had replicators, Civil War would erupt in two seconds, and then this country would become just like the whole world would erode.

02:01:17.000 But we'll save that.

02:01:18.000 I do want to grab at least a couple of the super chats here.

02:01:20.000 I don't want to leave people hanging because we only have a minute left.

02:01:25.000 Let's see.

02:01:27.000 Dave the Devil Chicken says, Tim, the reason we let Fast and Furious happen is to let the 21st century version of Manifest Destiny happen where we go in and take over.

02:01:36.000 So you're making a similar argument that it was to like that Ian said, to create an enemy that we could then say, oh no, now we have no choice.

02:01:42.000 It was the first day I ever thought of that in regards to the cartel.

02:01:45.000 But yeah, I mean, I think it's because they're running illicit activities for intelligence organizations.

02:01:51.000 Yeah, I thought it was they were just trying to track the guns and find who the higher ups were in the org, but now I'm starting to think like, geez, they create the enemy now if they can go conquer.

02:02:02.000 SA Federale says, every low-T neckbeard who properly pronounces every foreign word has been steadily screaming, but my Mexican food.

02:02:10.000 It's glorious.

02:02:11.000 Yay-yo hasn't been good since 09 anyway.

02:02:13.000 Woohoo! 1.00

02:02:14.000 Wow, hit him where it hurts.

02:02:15.000 Mexican food's best at Taco Bell. 0.73

02:02:18.000 Yeah, avoid that white. 1.00

02:02:18.000 Americos. 1.00

02:02:20.000 That's not Mexican food, dude.

02:02:23.000 All right.

02:02:23.000 Let's see.

02:02:24.000 Human up in you.

02:02:25.000 TT says, people like this is why everyone is betting on AI to replace everyone's job.

02:02:29.000 If no one has a job, there are no customers to pay for your AI slop.

02:02:33.000 They kill their golden goose.

02:02:34.000 They are only focused on short-term gain.

02:02:37.000 It's a really interesting example I brought up on the show because they started to automate fast food restaurants.

02:02:41.000 And the response that I get in these arguments is, yes, but AI is going to make it easier and cheaper for everyone to get these things.

02:02:48.000 And I said, who is going to AI can't buy the tacos?

02:02:51.000 If you don't have customers, if there's no people, then what are you going to do?

02:02:54.000 The argument was, there's a population collapse.

02:02:57.000 There's going to be a lot of lost vacant jobs, and they're not going to be able to fill them.

02:03:02.000 And the argument is, we'll get AI and machines to automate these things.

02:03:05.000 And then I said, who's going to buy from your Taco Bell if there's no people to eat it?

02:03:09.000 You can't have robots coming and do it.

02:03:11.000 But in fact, that's the plot to that video game about the cat.

02:03:15.000 About the cat.

02:03:15.000 You play that one?

02:03:16.000 Yeah, he plays a cat in the future.

02:03:18.000 And there's robots everywhere that were created by humans to serve humans, but humans all died off.

02:03:22.000 So now the robots just kind of facilitate the non-existence of whatever they're looking for.

02:03:27.000 And you're a cat.

02:03:28.000 Run around.

02:03:28.000 We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the shows when we talk about Star Trek as it relates to communism and free trade.

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02:03:42.000 Yeah.

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02:03:45.000 I welcome your listeners and viewers going over to do that.

02:03:48.000 Tim, it was a pleasure to be back.

02:03:50.000 Ian, Phil, and Carter, nice to see you again.

02:03:53.000 Thank you.

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02:03:54.000 You as well.

02:03:55.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Heaton is mightier than the sword.

02:03:58.000 I like that your last name is a noun.

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02:04:01.000 My pleasure.

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02:04:18.000 Oh, thank you.

02:04:19.000 But first, let's.

02:04:20.000 What's up?

02:04:20.000 Okay.

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02:04:22.000 I was out of order a little bit.

02:04:25.000 I did it because I want to go Phil's last piece.

02:04:27.000 Oh, okay.

02:04:28.000 Yeah, but also there's like some weird guy sitting behind Carter you.

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02:04:52.000 Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

02:04:55.000 Brandon's actually the real CEO of the company.

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02:04:58.000 And this is like a, he's come in to make sure everyone's doing their jobs properly.

02:05:02.000 Watch it.

02:05:03.000 You got to watch out, Ian, because he's been watching.

02:05:05.000 He's watching laughed.

02:05:06.000 All right, everybody.

02:05:08.000 We're going to see you all over at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL.

02:05:11.000 We're going to complain about Star Trek, but largely just as an excuse to talk about communism.

02:05:14.000 So thanks for hanging out.

02:06:25.000 Started doing rehearsals.

02:06:27.000 What is up?

02:06:27.000 Welcome to the uncensored portion of the show, where we can say things like gay.

02:06:32.000 Say other things.

02:06:33.000 Phil.

02:06:34.000 Gay. 0.98

02:06:34.000 What? 0.98

02:06:35.000 Faggots. 1.00

02:06:35.000 Gay. 1.00

02:06:39.000 So anyway.

02:06:43.000 That's allowed on Rumble.

02:06:45.000 Dirty word.

02:06:46.000 You know, in Star Trek, they have replicators.

02:06:48.000 Yeah, if that happened, people would be slitting each other's throats.

02:06:48.000 They do.

02:06:51.000 But I think that was actually a component of the story they told in Star Trek that Earth fell apart, got super violent, people were killing each other.

02:06:59.000 But I actually think that, so in Star Trek, you know, Captain Picardy, Next Generation, they all have this, but he goes, tea, Earl Gray, halt.

02:07:10.000 And then it makes it a drink.

02:07:10.000 Earl Gray, halt.

02:07:12.000 If we had that, holy fuck, bro.

02:07:16.000 Could you imagine what it would be like if there was a replicator that people could just use?

02:07:18.000 Now, I have to imagine, because these liberals are like, did you not?

02:07:21.000 Star Trek was communist?

02:07:23.000 It wasn't.

02:07:24.000 They traded gold with the Frankie.

02:07:26.000 Literal gold.

02:07:27.000 Latinum.

02:07:28.000 Latinum was like the fake, it's platinum.

02:07:30.000 Latinum was like the whatever fictional interspace thing.

02:07:30.000 Like what?

02:07:34.000 But there's literally, I'm watching the episode with the wormhole and the frankie. 0.96

02:07:38.000 You're like, look at all the gold we have to trade.

02:07:40.000 It's like, yes, literal gold.

02:07:41.000 We can't make it.

02:07:42.000 You can't replicate it.

02:07:43.000 Imagine a bunch of antifa outside of a ice, and they're just with a replicator and they're replicating weapons.

02:07:53.000 If we had replicators, also, I got to be honest, Star Trek doesn't make much sense, but it's okay.

02:07:57.000 They'd be replicating.

02:08:00.000 We're done argument economics.

02:08:01.000 We're talking about Star Trek.

02:08:02.000 This is about economics.

02:08:04.000 Because I want to talk economics to Star Trek for a minute, but I'm not doing it to goad you into a particular position.

02:08:09.000 Can I run my theory of Star Trek economics by you?

02:08:11.000 Yes.

02:08:11.000 So they're like, because I hear this, that they're communist, right?

02:08:14.000 And I'm like, they're not communists.

02:08:15.000 They're post-scarcity.

02:08:16.000 Indeed.

02:08:16.000 For the reasons you bring up.

02:08:17.000 Oh, scarcity.

02:08:18.000 And it gets interesting in that there are economic transactions that take place within the Federation.

02:08:23.000 And the first season happened time.

02:08:25.000 But yeah.

02:08:26.000 So what would you have in a world where you can create any good at any time with infinite energy?

02:08:32.000 You would still have things that have emotional value that can't be replicated.

02:08:36.000 Hookers. 0.99

02:08:36.000 So hookers are a prime example, Phil. 0.99

02:08:39.000 You could go to the holodeck.

02:08:40.000 You can go to the holodeck anytime you want.

02:08:42.000 But if you want to have sex and regular hooker, you have to pay for that, right?

02:08:45.000 Or like, I can replicate a bottle of wine.

02:08:48.000 You know what?

02:08:48.000 I can't replicate a bottle of Picard Chateau wine.

02:08:52.000 So I think that they've got like, you could replicate it, but if you wanted the emotional value to it.

02:08:56.000 You wanted it handcrafted from the generational land owned by the Picard family.

02:08:56.000 Right.

02:09:01.000 So you've got like an Etsy economy going on along like they basically got rid of everything and then there's like Etsy swaps going on.

02:09:07.000 Now I'm going to challenge your presumption here and argue it's actually not a post-scarcity liberalism as people argue.

02:09:14.000 It's an authoritarian dictatorship oligopoly.

02:09:16.000 My friend Christian Britschke, who's a contributor at Reason, has that same position.

02:09:16.000 You know what?

02:09:21.000 He thinks that it's like a fascist something like that.

02:09:24.000 Yeah.

02:09:25.000 So who are the oligops in that?

02:09:25.000 Yeah.

02:09:27.000 Well, the Picard family owns a landmass to produce wine in France.

02:09:30.000 It's generational.

02:09:32.000 And because they don't on earth use currency because of replicators, there's no means by which you can acquire that land.

02:09:38.000 It is owned by landed aristocracy.

02:09:40.000 So you can call it, I wouldn't call it feudalism because you don't have these servants, but labor still does have to be done.

02:09:48.000 Oh, I never thought about that.

02:09:49.000 The land thing.

02:09:49.000 That's a really good point.

02:09:50.000 How do you exchange land in a place without currency?

02:09:52.000 And they state explicitly in Star Trek they don't use currency.

02:09:56.000 The Federation uses, has Federation credits.

02:09:59.000 They do trade raw materials.

02:10:00.000 Dilithium can't be replicated.

02:10:02.000 And Latinum is an extremely dense metal that is very valuable.

02:10:05.000 And they use these things to trade with other non-Federation planets.

02:10:09.000 The Federation itself, though, is arguably post-scarcity because of replicators.

02:10:13.000 However, there are landed aristocracy on Earth.

02:10:17.000 And that means there's no means by which a person born on Earth can ever acquire those land unless somehow you can convince a person to give up their generational wealth, which they have no reason to do because they can replicate anything you can replicate.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, it sounds like they're under military control occupancy.

02:10:32.000 They would have revolted hard against a permanent set of landowners. 0.90

02:10:36.000 And that's exactly what it is.

02:10:38.000 I mean, again, Picard has a family-held generational winery.

02:10:42.000 This is why capitalism is great.

02:10:44.000 What displaced feudalism?

02:10:46.000 Capitalism did.

02:10:47.000 Like it was able to, like, now you can break apart all these old feudal monopolies.

02:10:50.000 One could argue, because it's fiction, we can fill the gaps where the gaps need to be filled.

02:10:57.000 And that is, well, they don't use current, when they stated we don't use currency, they meant, generally speaking, for things like food and shelter.

02:11:08.000 That being said, there are still things of value that can be performed, which you will get Federation credits for, and credits can be used to acquire land.

02:11:16.000 There are probably many things, like you mentioned, with emotion of value for which someone may actually want to use credits.

02:11:21.000 So you don't need food, you don't need shelter, but I want that limited edition Ian Crossland guitar autographed by Ian Crossland, and he doesn't want to part with it.

02:11:30.000 So there's got to be a way to transfer things that still have value.

02:11:33.000 I want to go eat at Benjamin Sisko's dad's restaurant.

02:11:36.000 There's a limited amount of seats, so there has to be some way of adjudicating that scarce resource.

02:11:42.000 Have you seen what they have done to Benjamin Sisko?

02:11:44.000 No.

02:11:45.000 He is a deity now in Starfleet Academy.

02:11:47.000 What?

02:11:48.000 Really?

02:11:48.000 Oh, because he's with wormhole profits.

02:11:51.000 No, well, yes, but it's that he's revered as such.

02:11:55.000 His picture can't be displayed.

02:11:57.000 Probably because they couldn't get the rights.

02:12:00.000 No, because that would be kind of an interesting, like, we're going to take on Islam from a different angle.

02:12:06.000 I doubt that's what they're doing, but.

02:12:07.000 Oh, it is.

02:12:08.000 So here's the thing about Star Trek, the new Star Trek.

02:12:12.000 Men are always bad.

02:12:14.000 White guys are always stupid and evil. 1.00

02:12:16.000 And the women are always correcting them. 1.00

02:12:17.000 Oh, my God.

02:12:18.000 Not kidding.

02:12:19.000 There's one exception.

02:12:20.000 They say the Federation was a colonial empire, and that's why it collapsed.

02:12:24.000 That's Starfleet Academy.

02:12:24.000 Not joking.

02:12:26.000 There's one exception.

02:12:27.000 Benjamin Sisko is a legend and he's a hero.

02:12:30.000 And do you know why?

02:12:31.000 Because he's black.

02:12:33.000 Indeed.

02:12:34.000 Literally in the show, not okay.

02:12:36.000 But clearly when they disparage the federation and everything that it was and call it colonial and evil, but Benjamin Sisko.

02:12:43.000 It's the colonialism claim.

02:12:45.000 Because like the Federation bit, yeah.

02:12:48.000 Like it's, it's a, I'd push.

02:12:50.000 We will let a planet die before we intervene.

02:12:52.000 So I, um, I like Strange New Worlds, and like Pike is a very strong character and he's a white guy.

02:12:57.000 Play prequels, just make it stop.

02:12:58.000 Okay.

02:12:59.000 Defair.

02:12:59.000 Colonized like crazy, the Federation.

02:13:01.000 Have they been doing that?

02:13:02.000 Is that part of the gig?

02:13:03.000 Is that colonizing all of that?

02:13:04.000 No.

02:13:05.000 So like flavor-wise, not talking about political economy, but flavor-wise, the Federation is sort of a combination of Google and the European Union and space.

02:13:13.000 Yeah, that's sort of how it comes out.

02:13:14.000 It really is.

02:13:16.000 And so it's not an aggressor.

02:13:18.000 There are some fringe instances where like the Cardassians and the Federation go to war and then we end up doing like a swap on territories and that creates like terrorist cells.

02:13:29.000 Do they colonize uninhabited lands?

02:13:31.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 They'll just like they'll do that, but they won't, but they but they believe in the prime directive, so they won't they won't colonize anybody or even make contact with anybody that's pre-warp.

02:13:41.000 Even if they would die.

02:13:42.000 Yep.

02:13:42.000 But here's what I love: the Frankie are pre-warp.

02:13:45.000 Are they?

02:13:46.000 They acquired warp through trade, not discovery.

02:13:49.000 So the core of the argument is the only reason that the Federation engages with societies once they discover warp is because it is inevitable that they will encounter each other.

02:13:59.000 And it's best that when they discover a planet on the verge of warp capabilities to make first contact.

02:14:06.000 So there's one episode, it's brilliant, where they come to a planet, which is totally an allegory for the United States and Earth.

02:14:12.000 A planet where the president of this country is deeply invested in scientific advancement and heavily invests in the development of warp technology, despite the fact they are still very culturally religious, not yet advanced to the point where they would even accept the idea that there is other life in the universe.

02:14:32.000 And so the Federation greets them and says, you are about to become warp capable.

02:14:37.000 We've seen your tests.

02:14:38.000 We come from a planet called Earth.

02:14:40.000 We represent the Federation of Planets.

02:14:42.000 And ultimately, the president decides they cannot announce first contact because they pushed too hard technologically without culturally developing first.

02:14:55.000 What series is this?

02:14:56.000 That was TNG, I believe.

02:14:57.000 Okay.

02:14:57.000 It was TNG.

02:14:58.000 Yeah, let me look up which episode that is.

02:15:00.000 Yeah, I believe they just, I don't remember that particular one.

02:15:02.000 You don't know Tim Sandifor by the way, do you, Tim?

02:15:05.000 Who's that?

02:15:05.000 Tim Santafer, he's over at the Goldwater Institute.

02:15:07.000 He's the most fun guy to talk to about Star Trek.

02:15:10.000 Oh, really?

02:15:11.000 He loves Star Trek.

02:15:12.000 He loves the original series.

02:15:15.000 I want to say he hates TNG, but he sees this really strong moral variation that takes place because the original series is all written by World War II veterans.

02:15:25.000 Like they're all like, America's good, communists are bad, period.

02:15:30.000 And so Kirk, who embodies this, will go down to a planet and go, your God is a lie.

02:15:35.000 I will destroy your idol.

02:15:36.000 Bang, bang. 0.99

02:15:37.000 Your idol's gone.

02:15:38.000 Be free.

02:15:39.000 And you get into TNG, it's 1980s.

02:15:41.000 It's very relativistic.

02:15:42.000 So Picard is like, we would never deign to instruct your people in terms of their own.

02:15:47.000 Picard, you got that.

02:15:49.000 Who are we?

02:15:50.000 And like, Kirk is like, no, you will be free.

02:15:52.000 I will free you.

02:15:53.000 I will destroy your false idol.

02:15:54.000 You will be forced to make decisions for yourself.

02:15:56.000 Whereas Picard is always like, no, no, everyone's right in their own way.

02:16:01.000 And so Santa Fer does a great job of elucidating the differences between them.

02:16:05.000 Season four, episode 15, First Contact.

02:16:09.000 They go to planet Malcor 3, and Riker is there as an observer, disguised as a Melcorian, and then he gets injured.

02:16:09.000 Okay.

02:16:16.000 Was that the one where he bangs the probably?

02:16:16.000 And they go to the other side.

02:16:20.000 Because he's always trying.

02:16:20.000 Yeah.

02:16:22.000 And then, you're right.

02:16:23.000 And then one lady is like, I think he's an alien.

02:16:25.000 And she's like, take me.

02:16:26.000 I want to be with an alien.

02:16:27.000 That's what I was like, yeah.

02:16:30.000 And then the science leader decides to leave with the Enterprise, leaves the planet.

02:16:35.000 Tim, would you scrap the Prime Directive?

02:16:38.000 Me too.

02:16:38.000 Absolutely.

02:16:39.000 100%.

02:16:39.000 Really?

02:16:40.000 Why?

02:16:40.000 I would, yeah.

02:16:40.000 What is it, first of all?

02:16:41.000 So, really?

02:16:44.000 I have strong feelings about this thing that I don't know what I'm saying.

02:16:47.000 I've fallen in love with you all over again.

02:16:49.000 So the Prime Directive is meant to shield primitive societies from cultural contamination. 0.83

02:16:56.000 That's the idea behind it.

02:16:58.000 So anybody that's pre-warped that's not like sufficiently modern, we will refrain from ever letting them know that we exist for fear that it will alter the trajectory of their development.

02:17:10.000 But not just that.

02:17:11.000 They'll kill themselves.

02:17:12.000 Will they prevent someone else from telling them?

02:17:15.000 Yeah.

02:17:16.000 If it's within Federation space, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:18.000 Yeah, like they wouldn't go, they wouldn't go into Romulan space or whatever.

02:17:21.000 So the issue is, if you went to the North Sentinel Island, right?

02:17:26.000 Yeah.

02:17:27.000 And gave them all fully automatic.

02:17:28.000 Right.

02:17:29.000 What would they do?

02:17:30.000 Exactly.

02:17:31.000 But the flip side of it, though, is like there's in one of the, we shan't speak of them too much, but in some of the reboots, at one point, a planet is going to be destroyed.

02:17:41.000 This is in TNG.

02:17:42.000 Is it in TNG?

02:17:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:44.000 Like there are instances where, I mean, like, it was in the reboot.

02:17:47.000 It was the intro to one of the reboot films where there's a planet of primitives with the volcano's about to erupt and kill everybody.

02:17:53.000 And they go in and they fix it and they violate the prime directive, thus saving everybody's life.

02:17:58.000 I would argue that it's a good thing.

02:17:59.000 And it was the stupidest plot because the way they did it in TNG was substantially better.

02:18:03.000 And that was they were investigating a planet with unusual volcanic activity when data receives a simple broadcast transmission from a little girl saying help.

02:18:13.000 And then he argues to Picard, the planet, the people are going to be destroyed unless we intervene and we can intervene very easily.

02:18:20.000 But they say the prime directive prevents us from intervening in the planet's natural development because they are pre-warp.

02:18:26.000 Data then says, I would argue that the transmission to us calling for help gives us a pretext.

02:18:33.000 And Picard then makes the argument, we can consider that an SOS for which we can't intervene.

02:18:38.000 See, this is one of the other things in Star Trek is it's the prime directive.

02:18:41.000 It's meant to be like the highest constitutional law.

02:18:43.000 They violate it constantly.

02:18:45.000 For good reason.

02:18:46.000 But they're constantly violating it.

02:18:48.000 And they do all this hemming and hawing.

02:18:49.000 And then they're like, well, we really need to.

02:18:50.000 So it really actually has no point.

02:18:53.000 We do got to go to callers, but I want to say one quick thing about why Deep Space Nine is so good.

02:18:57.000 Deep Space, Starge of the Next Generation was hippy-dippy liberal bullshit.

02:19:02.000 I loved it, though, but it was like...

02:19:04.000 Everybody's dressed really effeminate whenever they're in civilians.

02:19:06.000 It's not just...

02:19:07.000 It's not just that, but they're on an exploration vessel with a thousand, I think 1,000 people.

02:19:13.000 It was a capacity of the Enterprise.

02:19:14.000 And there's an episode, one of the best episodes ever written, where they accidentally, the Enterprise C accidentally goes through a rift in space-time, appearing briefly in the future.

02:19:27.000 And by leaving the attack on Kittemer, it alters the course of history in a way that the Klingons and the Fenterprise, the Federation, never form an alliance.

02:19:39.000 And now the Klingons are defeating the Federation in the future. 1.00

02:19:44.000 When the ship goes through the time rift and history changes, the Enterprise inside turns dimly lit in black with a skeleton crew.

02:19:51.000 Guynan, as she is an extra-dimensional being, notices something.

02:19:56.000 It's off.

02:19:57.000 And she goes to Picard and she's like, something's wrong.

02:19:59.000 Where are the families?

02:20:00.000 He goes, families.

02:20:01.000 This is a military vehicle.

02:20:02.000 There are no families aboard.

02:20:03.000 Families on the Enterprise.

02:20:04.000 Yeah.

02:20:05.000 And so the interesting thing is, the pretext of Next Generation is that we have abundance, limited scarcity, and almost no war.

02:20:14.000 They do introduce war with the Kardasians, but it's limited.

02:20:18.000 With DS9, you get the Dominion War.

02:20:20.000 And this is where the hoity-toity liberal ideals of the Federation are being fucking crushed.

02:20:27.000 And the fucking amazing quote from the Kardashian, what's his name?

02:20:32.000 Garrick.

02:20:33.000 When he says, he's like, you know, they assassinate a senator in a false flag to trick the Romulans into joining the Federation, joining the war on the side of the Federation.

02:20:42.000 And Garrick says, and he says, what should I do?

02:20:45.000 And he's like, well, what you need to do is just sleep easy, knowing the Federation has been, or the Alpha Quadrant has been saved, and all it cost was one ship, a Romulan senator, and a Starfleet commander self-respect.

02:20:56.000 And it's just so fucking good that it's just such good writing.

02:21:01.000 And this is like, what is this, like 2000 or like 99?

02:21:03.000 It's like, yeah, that episode, I think, because I think it stops 2001, 2002.

02:21:08.000 I think it was like 01 and Voyager went to like 03 or something.

02:21:10.000 I think you're right.

02:21:11.000 Oh, sorry to interrupt, but you guys would strip the Prime Directive.

02:21:14.000 Wouldn't that have the cataclysmic effects on foreign... 1.00

02:21:18.000 They must have that directive set up for a reason.

02:21:21.000 That's because the idea being if you go to a planet with nation states, limited cultural development, like what would happen right now if aliens landed in the United States?

02:21:21.000 Yes.

02:21:30.000 Russia would be able to blow up everyone else. 0.93

02:21:32.000 No, no.

02:21:33.000 If aliens landed in DC, Vladimir Putin would make an announcement.

02:21:38.000 We will not tolerate advanced technologies going to our principal adversaries, and we are prepared to fire every nuclear weapon to preserve our existence.

02:21:46.000 It throws the balance of power off is what their argument is.

02:21:48.000 Exactly as I told Joe Rogan.

02:21:50.000 The reason aliens don't make themselves known and the reason why the powerful elites want a one world government is that you cannot join the Galactic Federation until your planet is unified under one governing authority.

02:22:02.000 Is that true?

02:22:04.000 I think it'd actually be good if aliens landed.

02:22:06.000 Yes, Ian, the aliens came to me.

02:22:09.000 But there's never been a planet that was like multi, you know, multifaceted.

02:22:14.000 This is one of the other weird things about Star Trek is like every planet is monolithic.

02:22:18.000 Yes.

02:22:19.000 Like every other planet has like one religion.

02:22:21.000 Well, that's not necessarily true.

02:22:23.000 Yeah, there's a little variance, but we see a much more monolithic interpretation.

02:22:28.000 They go to the planet where the terrorists are attacking everything.

02:22:31.000 Remember this one?

02:22:33.000 I think I remember that one.

02:22:34.000 Yeah, there's terrorists underground, next gen, and then data asks Picard, you know, if terrorism is so wrong, why is it so effective?

02:22:41.000 Like people do it.

02:22:42.000 And Picard's like, yup.

02:22:45.000 Like, that's the sad reality.

02:22:46.000 But Voyager was silly, but Deep Space Nine was basically screaming in the face of these liberals who got fat and happy and just said, we can be in these, you know, we don't need to build space.

02:22:59.000 We don't need to build weapons of war.

02:23:01.000 Which the only thing I really, really like about the reboot into darkness is that was the premise that the general was secretly building insane weapons, a gigantic black mock of the enterprise.

02:23:15.000 And he was like, there are threats out there.

02:23:17.000 And the Federation has grown fat and complacent.

02:23:21.000 And we are not arming ourselves for these wars, which is funny because considering this takes place in the prequel in an alternate timeline, we know full well he was correct.

02:23:32.000 There's an alternate timeline that's explored, I think, and it might be the original series, the Terran Empire.

02:23:37.000 Yeah.

02:23:38.000 Where there's an alternate timeline where Earth becomes a dominating authoritarian empire.

02:23:43.000 A weird one where you only achieve promotion by killing your superior.

02:23:48.000 There's some problems with it, but it's this interesting, like dark, evil version of the Federation.

02:23:53.000 All right.

02:23:53.000 We got to get callers because we have five tonight.

02:23:55.000 So we'll start with Half Poor Nova. 0.91

02:23:56.000 What's up?

02:23:57.000 What was your favorite Star Trek episode?

02:24:02.000 I never watched it.

02:24:03.000 It was more of a Star Wars fan.

02:24:04.000 Oh, well, hold on.

02:24:05.000 Woke have killed both.

02:24:07.000 I think that you're going to go to the next one.

02:24:09.000 I think we're going to go to the next caller now.

02:24:09.000 No, definitely.

02:24:12.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:24:13.000 I'm just kidding.

02:24:14.000 I'm just playing.

02:24:15.000 I'm just kidding.

02:24:15.000 I'm just playing.

02:24:16.000 So I came to call in about your guys' opinion on gay people in general.

02:24:20.000 Not the LGBTQ movement, but just like whether or not somebody is gay.

02:24:24.000 Oh, gay people are gay. 1.00

02:24:26.000 Yeah.

02:24:27.000 What makes you gay, though?

02:24:29.000 Gay people suck. 1.00

02:24:31.000 Gay people suck dick. 1.00

02:24:32.000 I eat my hot dogs from the middle, but the second they make a gay pill, I'm going to take it just to see what happens. 1.00

02:24:37.000 I think I do pretty well.

02:24:38.000 Look at me.

02:24:38.000 I'm going to answer the question, but you got to define what makes you gay.

02:24:42.000 Wanting to fuck a dude or actually fucking him and not enjoying it.

02:24:45.000 Like, is it the physical act or is it the desire?

02:24:47.000 Well, by that logic, all women I've ever had sex with are gay. 0.65

02:24:50.000 Do you have to fuck a dude to be gay or is it the act of love?

02:24:53.000 Because like is that like the only thing that makes you gay?

02:24:57.000 That's a question.

02:24:58.000 You're just not attracted to women. 0.98

02:25:00.000 Okay, so if you were, listen, there are gay virgins. 0.99

02:25:03.000 Like there are people who are explicitly attracted to guys who've never hooked up with a guy at all.

02:25:11.000 And for one, often you can tell they're gay, but they will outright say that they experience attraction to guys.

02:25:17.000 Like, that's being gay. 1.00

02:25:19.000 The other thing is, there's an interesting question about if a dude gets fucked by a dude, is the dude who gets fucked gay?

02:25:28.000 It's a question of why he was, right?

02:25:30.000 Because if you're in prison and you are raped, you're not gay. 0.80

02:25:33.000 You're a rape victim from a gay rapist, right? 0.99

02:25:35.000 Yeah.

02:25:36.000 Okay.

02:25:36.000 Now, if you enjoy it, if you were somehow raped in the other direction in prison, which seems odd, I'm assuming you were into it.

02:25:45.000 That would be slightly oppressive.

02:25:48.000 Color, I am anti-rape and pro-gay. 0.89

02:25:51.000 That is my position.

02:25:53.000 Pro-very gay. 0.84

02:25:54.000 I guess my next question is: can you differentiate between the cultist degeneracy and just people who just love other people?

02:26:01.000 Is there a is there now?

02:26:02.000 Of course.

02:26:03.000 I'm sorry not to make it an entitling question, but is there a difference?

02:26:07.000 Of course there is.

02:26:08.000 I think Tim's made this difference.

02:26:09.000 There's a handful of trans people who will come on the show periodically that we're friends with and they're good people and they're rational.

02:26:14.000 Tim actually lived in Boys or near Boys Town in Chicago where they were having Wrigleyville, but these gay parades. 1.00

02:26:19.000 And it was like, it's not about gay.

02:26:21.000 You realize pretty quick, it's not about gayness.

02:26:22.000 It's about fucking sex.

02:26:23.000 It's about naked dudes showing sexy.

02:26:26.000 So it's yeah, but that's that's the ideology stuff he's talking about.

02:26:29.000 I knew tons of people in Wrigleyville.

02:26:31.000 There was this one dude that I knew and it was really funny because we were talking about exactly this.

02:26:38.000 I think I was like 22.

02:26:39.000 I think I was like, I was 21 when I lived in Wrigleyville.

02:26:42.000 And this dude was like, I can't stand all of these like hyper gay people and the flags and like all the stores. 1.00

02:26:50.000 He was like, all they want to do is scream sex.

02:26:53.000 And I just like guys, you know?

02:26:55.000 And I was like, oh, I don't, but I hear you.

02:26:57.000 So he's like a subdued gay guy. 0.97

02:26:59.000 And he has a problem with the glitter.

02:27:01.000 That's the problem.

02:27:02.000 He's a problem with when you go to North Halstead, they have mannequins sucking each other's dicks in the glass window and they've got sex toy shops and they've got a bathhouse where guys go and do drugs and have sex.

02:27:02.000 He's a problem.

02:27:15.000 Yeah.

02:27:16.000 And that's what the guy was complaining about.

02:27:18.000 He was like, because it's not just about, I want to go live with a guy that I like and we can do whatever we want, mind our own business.

02:27:24.000 It's that they've created an industry around degeneracy.

02:27:27.000 I think every gay man is less competition for me and higher property value for you. 1.00

02:27:34.000 Let's talk about how gay is too gay. 1.00

02:27:38.000 No, let's talk about Steamworks Chicago.

02:27:40.000 Yeah, that's what I meant.

02:27:41.000 Yeah, look.

02:27:42.000 Steamworks is a very well-known gay bathhouse.

02:27:48.000 And they say, they say that, I mean, it's for dudes to have sex with each other.

02:27:56.000 And they say that drugs aren't allowed.

02:27:58.000 But everybody in Chicago just says they go in there, they do drugs, and they have sex.

02:28:03.000 It's for dudes to go meet up and have gay sex with each other. 1.00

02:28:06.000 As long as the windows are dark and so nobody's having to watch, I'm fine with it.

02:28:10.000 What's that?

02:28:11.000 Yeah.

02:28:13.000 I think there should be a legal just failed straight people who are only in it for the sex. 1.00

02:28:22.000 It's not really a lifestyle thing.

02:28:23.000 It's literally just a loser who can't pull a woman. 1.00

02:28:26.000 I don't know.

02:28:27.000 I'm a failed straight guy and I'm not gay.

02:28:32.000 I have no problem with two guys.

02:28:35.000 You want to go on Grinder and do whatever you want to do and you want to get a couple other guys involved.

02:28:38.000 Amen.

02:28:39.000 That's your business.

02:28:40.000 But an enterprise built around coalescing all of this debauchery, degeneracy, I think is horribly bad.

02:28:49.000 And I would argue that it promotes and expands massive STDs in the community.

02:28:54.000 Yeah.

02:28:55.000 Exactly.

02:28:57.000 I'm fine with it.

02:28:58.000 I'm going to stress this.

02:28:59.000 I am not arguing that gay people are inherently more dirty.

02:29:01.000 I'm arguing they have frequently more sex.

02:29:02.000 Yeah.

02:29:04.000 No, no, when you have men who have a very who are very not or not very risk-averse, men that have a significantly higher libido, women have a lower libido generally, women have way more consequences when they to the possible negative externalities to having sex, pregnancy, et cetera.

02:29:25.000 All these things are built into women that prevent dudes from being able to just have sex whenever they want. 1.00

02:29:31.000 This is why I'm rooting for that gay pill. 1.00

02:29:33.000 When you take the women out of it, then you have people that are far more promiscuous. 1.00

02:29:38.000 They have far more risky sex.

02:29:40.000 And that's why STDs and stuff like that are so rampant in the gay community. 1.00

02:29:44.000 It's not because it's because they take far more risks because there isn't the moderation of women. 1.00

02:29:51.000 And women moderate sex because historically, up until the birth control pill and modern medicine, women had a significantly higher chance of dying during childbirth. 0.86

02:30:02.000 They could get pregnant and they couldn't guarantee that the man was going to take care of them if they had promiscuous sex. 1.00

02:30:07.000 There were all these external factors that made women very, very concerned about who they had sex with because of all the bad things that could happen.

02:30:16.000 Men had none of those bad externalities.

02:30:19.000 They just didn't have to worry about them.

02:30:21.000 The only thing that men have to worry about is STIs.

02:30:23.000 And for the most part, when dudes are horny, they don't think about that stuff.

02:30:28.000 Men have always had the ability to, and when I say ability, I mean, you know, they haven't had the same repercussions.

02:30:35.000 It's not a big deal for men to have promiscuous sex the same way that women are. 0.98

02:30:39.000 So when you have men just having sex with men, you have almost no boundaries.

02:30:44.000 You have no limitations.

02:30:45.000 You don't have the moderating factor of women. 1.00

02:30:48.000 So men, gay men definitely have way, way more sex. 0.99

02:30:53.000 It's way more likely that a guy that's a gay guy goes to a gay bar and will bang some other dude in the bathroom than for a guy and a girl to go to the bathroom.

02:31:02.000 Not that it doesn't happen with women, but it's way more likely for guys to do that.

02:31:05.000 That means there's going to be more sexually transmitted diseases.

02:31:08.000 There's going to be more all of the negative externalities that men have to experience when it comes to sex at all.

02:31:15.000 They're going to have them on a significantly higher rate.

02:31:17.000 Well put.

02:31:18.000 There's an Andrew Sullivan article that kind of goes through that as well, Phil.

02:31:21.000 And I agree with your assessment that when you look at sex amongst couples, gay men have the highest amount of sex, followed by heterosexual men, followed by lesbian couples. 0.91

02:31:32.000 And it's just like men in general on an aggregate level have a higher libido.

02:31:35.000 And if you have two people that have a higher libido, you're going to have a higher amount of sex. 1.00

02:31:39.000 Yep.

02:31:41.000 Women have been like, so when a woman, if a dude looks at a woman that she's not attracted to, it's not just like a guy when a woman looks at him that he's not attracted to. 0.63

02:31:54.000 It's like, he's like, whatever, you know, I'm not attracted to her.

02:31:56.000 A woman genuinely fears fear, feels fear because it's possible that that guy is going to attack her, right?

02:32:04.000 Rape is always, in all of human history, rape has been a thing. 0.96

02:32:07.000 And for women, it's significantly more dangerous than it's ever been for men.

02:32:12.000 So when a man is, when a woman comes up to a man and he doesn't, he's not interested, go away, whatever.

02:32:18.000 Maybe I'm flattered.

02:32:19.000 Thank you, whatever.

02:32:21.000 There's no threat there.

02:32:23.000 There's no threat of violence.

02:32:24.000 With a woman, there's a possibility, and this is built into them because of the way that we've evolved with women. 1.00

02:32:31.000 There's a threat of violence there, and they're afraid legitimately.

02:32:36.000 We gotta grab some more callers, though, but did you want to shout anything out?

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 24, 2026

THE KILLING HAS JUST BEGUN | Timcast IRL #1455 w- Andrew Heaton

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