Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - This May Be The Last Timcast IRL | Timcast IRL https:--youtube.com-live-YXY0pMEI9-o

00:00:00.000 you 1135 episodes of this show hold Holy smokes.

00:00:17.000 It's been a long time.

00:00:19.000 It's a lot of work.

00:00:20.000 A lot of work from a lot of people.

00:00:22.000 And a lot of good times.

00:00:24.000 A lot of bad times.

00:00:25.000 But a lot of good fun.

00:00:26.000 And this strong possibility that the show is over.

00:00:32.000 Strong, strong possibility.

00:00:34.000 I am joined tonight by the great comedian Dave Landau.

00:00:37.000 Hello, how are you?

00:00:39.000 You want to scoot over this way a little bit?

00:00:40.000 Oh sure, whatever you want.

00:00:41.000 Then you'll look better on camera.

00:00:42.000 Thank you.

00:00:43.000 Is it good?

00:00:44.000 Yep.

00:00:45.000 Awesome.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, we're here at the old studio.

00:00:47.000 The old studio where it all began.

00:00:48.000 Actually, it didn't begin here.

00:00:49.000 It began in Jersey.

00:00:50.000 But, you know, Raymond's hanging out, too.

00:00:51.000 What's up, guys?

00:00:52.000 And actually, I was planning on not doing a show at all.

00:00:55.000 But Dave's here.

00:00:56.000 He traveled all the way here.

00:00:57.000 I felt kind of bad that, like, all of this begins to happen right when he's showing up.

00:01:01.000 And I kind of was like, oh, man, I don't want to screw Dave over.

00:01:04.000 You're fine.

00:01:05.000 I'm good at ruining shows.

00:01:06.000 So I'm perfect.

00:01:07.000 I'm a great guest for you.

00:01:08.000 And Raymond was also here too, and I figured for what the conversation is going to be, because this is not going to be a news show, I figured it'd be good if you hung out because you started as just like a fan of the show, and you super chatted every day, and then you came to work here.

00:01:22.000 And there's a handful of people here who are like that.

00:01:24.000 Yep.

00:01:25.000 Me too.

00:01:26.000 Yeah, Serge.

00:01:28.000 But you were sitting here already.

00:01:30.000 And I was like, okay.

00:01:31.000 And then no disrespect to Hannah Clare, who was here, but I really didn't want to do a show, so I just said it probably would be better if you weren't on the show tonight, and so apologies to Hannah Clare, because she does a good job.

00:01:40.000 But yeah, I think this might be the end.

00:01:42.000 Why?

00:01:44.000 Cascade failure.

00:01:45.000 Cascade failure.

00:01:46.000 We are well off.

00:01:48.000 It is not a financial thing.

00:01:49.000 We make a lot of money.

00:01:50.000 But piece by piece, the structure becomes bigger and bigger and bigger.

00:01:56.000 Until it becomes impossible to manage.

00:01:58.000 Yeah.

00:01:59.000 And that's kind of where we hit today.

00:02:02.000 So it's like...

00:02:04.000 There's a series of...

00:02:08.000 I would never call out anybody personally or individually.

00:02:12.000 No, no, no, no.

00:02:13.000 There's also legal ramifications to insulting employees.

00:02:15.000 Oh, that's true.

00:02:17.000 But I would just say that compounding...

00:02:24.000 I don't know.

00:02:26.000 Laziness. 0.92

00:02:27.000 Yeah.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:28.000 That builds up over time, which adds more and more workload to, you know, me and Allison to get to the point where we're just like, can't do it.

00:02:38.000 And it's tough because we've...

00:02:40.000 This is not a...

00:02:44.000 For a lot of people, they're hearing this right now like, holy crap, why is this happening?

00:02:49.000 I was like, oh, you've been talking to us for months.

00:02:51.000 And then it's fascinating because three months ago, we're going over finances and I'll break it all down for everybody.

00:03:02.000 We do really well.

00:03:04.000 Our members, you guys, seriously do sustain us and that allows us to have what I would call a safe profit margin every month.

00:03:12.000 That means we're capable.

00:03:14.000 Like, we're not worried that if we have a bad month, people are going to get fired or anything's going to shut down like that.

00:03:19.000 And that's why I'm always like, we need members so that we can try and make new things and grow and do bookings and make things good and better and all that stuff.

00:03:29.000 And, you know, just the problem is, even with all of that, Without a proper CEO who isn't hosting the show, it's not possible.

00:03:42.000 Yeah, you have to have somebody to go to that's not you.

00:03:45.000 Yeah, and so...

00:03:47.000 I've learned that on my own show.

00:03:48.000 Yeah, and you need a hierarchy like any business needs a hierarchy.

00:03:51.000 And we have that.

00:03:52.000 I mean, we don't have that many people for his company.

00:03:55.000 It's like, I think we have like 30-something employees.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:57.000 And they're like 10 contractors.

00:04:00.000 But it's largely for the external projects that we are trying to do.

00:04:05.000 The issue now is we can get rid of...

00:04:09.000 We can get rid of the external projects...

00:04:14.000 And that's a lot of people that are part of the crew and everybody loves.

00:04:18.000 And the challenge thing is when we go through this and we're like, maybe we need to, you know, we want to increase the buffer, we want to increase marketing.

00:04:27.000 How do we sustain this show?

00:04:29.000 How do we build more memberships?

00:04:30.000 Well, the core product is TimCast morning show, TimCast IRL, and then the culture where we're trying to make something.

00:04:36.000 And so...

00:04:38.000 We got to do marketing.

00:04:38.000 We got to do travel.

00:04:39.000 I can't travel.

00:04:40.000 So if I get invited to go on some, I can't do it.

00:04:43.000 Because if I'm not doing IRL, I have to be dealing with paperwork on all these other projects.

00:04:47.000 We've been trying to get a coffee shop for two years.

00:04:49.000 I'm done.

00:04:49.000 It's over now.

00:04:50.000 Yeah, over.

00:04:51.000 And so, you know, the conversations I've had with family is like, I am under no illusions that I have the capability to make this company what it could be.

00:05:01.000 And I hear all these things.

00:05:02.000 No, Tim, you're wrong.

00:05:03.000 You're wrong.

00:05:03.000 Oh, come on.

00:05:04.000 We've been trying to get a coffee shop open for two years.

00:05:06.000 Clearly I cannot do it.

00:05:08.000 My feelings are not hurt when I'm like, no, I can't do it.

00:05:10.000 I skateboard every day.

00:05:13.000 I'm trying to do a nose male, not the impossible out.

00:05:14.000 I can't land it.

00:05:15.000 And I'm like, maybe I'll get it one day, but I'm trying as hard as I can.

00:05:17.000 But I am not going to cry and pretend that I can do something I can't do.

00:05:21.000 So, you know, ultimately what it comes down to is we had our, like, I don't know, 12th studio failure this morning.

00:05:30.000 The new one.

00:05:31.000 Yeah, the new studio failed.

00:05:32.000 And, you know, my attitude with that is kind of just like...

00:05:39.000 If we can't make cameras and a computer work, and despite all the previous failures we've had, there's not a single person here who can make sure that either the studio is operating or secondary studio is operating.

00:05:54.000 We've gotten to a point in the company where everyone's kind of just kicked their feet up and said, I'm doing what I need to be doing.

00:05:59.000 And then that just means I'm Sisyphus pushing the rock up.

00:06:03.000 The problem is people are sitting on the rock.

00:06:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:06.000 Yeah.

00:06:07.000 So that's why I was like, I'm not going to do the show tonight.

00:06:10.000 Well, what do you want?

00:06:12.000 Like, what do you want out of this?

00:06:14.000 That's an important thing to ask yourself.

00:06:15.000 What does Tim want?

00:06:16.000 You know, I wanted to complain on the internet.

00:06:20.000 Well, let's do it.

00:06:21.000 You know, so my...

00:06:23.000 Here we are!

00:06:24.000 Look at what you've managed to build.

00:06:26.000 I know, it's incredible.

00:06:27.000 So you've got to give yourself credit for that, so why get rid of it?

00:06:30.000 I mean, you wanted to complain on the internet, you did it.

00:06:32.000 I mean, you started by going out to protest, right?

00:06:35.000 Yeah, well, I mean, depends on where you say it all begins.

00:06:38.000 Like, I was making skate videos on YouTube, and then that turned into, after like five skate videos, filming by Wall Street, which turned into live streaming, which turned into working for Vice, working for Fusion, and then starting my own company, and then transforming that slowly into a podcast.

00:06:53.000 And then, you know, here we are.

00:06:54.000 So when I say complain on the internet, what I really mean is...

00:06:58.000 I was talking to some friends of mine earlier, pro skaters, and we were talking about why...

00:07:04.000 I'll put it in my words, not theirs. 0.68

00:07:06.000 They're very cool.

00:07:07.000 Yeah, I like them a lot.

00:07:08.000 So for four years, we've been trying to do a show that is built around, we have this awesome property, we have skate parks, we have Willy Wonka's Candy Factory or whatever, Chocolate Factory.

00:07:20.000 Why can't we get people to just do something?

00:07:25.000 Because if you haven't earned it, you're not as thirsty for it.

00:07:28.000 Perhaps. 0.57

00:07:29.000 And I've found that in my own career, where it's, you know, I've had falling outs, too, with big shows, which sucks.

00:07:35.000 You know, and everybody knows that.

00:07:36.000 So it's like, it's not anything that I didn't make obvious.

00:07:39.000 But at the same time, you do have to be hungry for your own thing, because then I hire friends, and then those friends don't do anything for a year.

00:07:47.000 And you're like, oh, that's why this person didn't like you.

00:07:51.000 Exactly.

00:07:51.000 Like, oh, I see.

00:07:53.000 This is the problem.

00:07:54.000 Like, they're...

00:07:54.000 You know what I think, too, is I've been hearing this a lot from a lot of different people who are working small to large companies, and I'm not going to drag their personal business into the public or anything.

00:08:04.000 No, and I've regretted doing that in the past.

00:08:06.000 I'm hearing a lot about how there's a talent and management crisis right now.

00:08:10.000 And the example that I've given, because I have no connection to it whatsoever, is Charlestown Races, where they used to have this awesome restaurant that overlooks the horse track and the horses.

00:08:20.000 Every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, you just watch the horses run and order food and hang out.

00:08:24.000 And they don't have the restaurant anymore, only on special occasions, rarely.

00:08:28.000 I don't know how often they do it, but almost never.

00:08:30.000 And they told me, I asked them why the restaurant shut down.

00:08:33.000 It's because after COVID hit, everybody who worked there retired or quit.

00:08:37.000 Nobody will do the job.

00:08:39.000 They can't find anybody.

00:08:40.000 Right.

00:08:41.000 So, you know, some other big companies have said the same thing.

00:08:44.000 It seems like the top brass are grinding their fingers to the bone because they have a vision that they want to do.

00:08:52.000 There's something that drives them to do something.

00:08:54.000 Right.

00:08:54.000 Which brings me to, you know, my friends, these skaters, and I said, why do you guys post videos every day?

00:08:58.000 You have no boss.

00:08:59.000 And they're like, I don't know, I want to do it.

00:09:01.000 I'm like, right.

00:09:02.000 You want to do it.

00:09:03.000 Same as me, yeah.

00:09:04.000 And so you do.

00:09:05.000 And then I think the problem we're facing as a country is most people do not.

00:09:10.000 They will because they have to and they hate that they do.

00:09:13.000 Weak times?

00:09:14.000 Weak men?

00:09:15.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:09:15.000 I don't know.

00:09:16.000 I'm just saying, like...

00:09:18.000 I'm pretty weak.

00:09:19.000 I still do.

00:09:19.000 I mean, sure.

00:09:21.000 Sure, I drive two hours a day to work, so I'm, you know, we're all ready to go.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, I fly from Detroit to my job.

00:09:27.000 Yeah.

00:09:27.000 I get it.

00:09:28.000 But it's like, again, like, not calling anybody.

00:09:32.000 I don't want to insult anyone directly, but it's just...

00:09:35.000 Seeing someone stand around, do nothing.

00:09:37.000 And then the challenge is, in order to make this show operate, I have to work what is effectively 16 hours a day.

00:09:43.000 So I haven't had a, it's fair to say, weekday sunset in four years.

00:09:49.000 You know, like, just through the window or something, or now that we're in the new studio, there's no windows at all.

00:09:54.000 I'm colorblind, so...

00:09:56.000 But it's more about like the, wow, what if I finished work at a normal time like everybody else and just, I don't know, hopped in the car and went down to the river and looked at frogs?

00:10:06.000 Yeah, it's the things you miss out on, really, because I can experience that.

00:10:09.000 But I'm willing to work my fingers to the bone to make something happen.

00:10:12.000 Yeah.

00:10:13.000 But not if we get to the point where it requires more people and we can't get to that point and it just doesn't happen.

00:10:19.000 So then the reassessment is, okay, so the ancillary investment projects clearly are over.

00:10:25.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 And that's just unfortunate.

00:10:28.000 But the issue then for these other shows and these other projects is they only exist off of the work that I do.

00:10:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:10:37.000 If I show up in the morning and I do my morning show, I get to give a portion of the work that I do to them so that they can try and make something work.

00:10:46.000 And I know they're trying as hard as they can and some more successful than others, but it just becomes too burdensome to the point where unless they get off the ground and are able to maintain and manage themselves and make money, we can't do it anymore.

00:11:01.000 So that isn't necessarily the bearing on this show.

00:11:05.000 The bearing on this show is there's a degree of staff required to run a show like this and it's, yeah, it's, I don't know.

00:11:16.000 You can't lose power and then lose your show.

00:11:19.000 What was that?

00:11:20.000 Like you can't lose power then lose your show.

00:11:23.000 What do you mean lose power?

00:11:24.000 Isn't that what happened at the other place?

00:11:25.000 No, the studio, the graphics card fried.

00:11:27.000 Oh, okay.

00:11:28.000 But, I mean, we knew the computer was bad.

00:11:31.000 We had repeatedly said we needed to get fixed and it just never happens.

00:11:34.000 Okay.

00:11:34.000 So I'm like, hold on, man.

00:11:35.000 Am I going to work 16 hours every single day to the bone and figuratively say I get no weekday sunsets so that someone else can be like, I ain't going to fix it.

00:11:45.000 Well, if you want to die of a heart attack very young, it's a good way to do it.

00:11:49.000 I'd be bored if I wasn't doing something.

00:11:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:52.000 So that's why I'm like, I'm willing to do this, but this requires other people who are willing to do it too.

00:11:57.000 And there are a lot of people here who are willing to do a lot more and go above and beyond.

00:12:01.000 I had Raymond sitting right here.

00:12:02.000 And that's why I was like, yeah, you should sit in this one.

00:12:05.000 And then there are a lot of people that are like, when can I put the knife in Tim's back?

00:12:09.000 Don't you find that's any level of fame though?

00:12:11.000 Yes.

00:12:11.000 And any level of notoriety at this point?

00:12:13.000 You can't run a company with those people in your company though.

00:12:15.000 No, you can't.

00:12:16.000 And I mean, if you know who they are, what do you do?

00:12:19.000 Oh, you fire him! 0.67

00:12:21.000 Yeah.

00:12:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:22.000 I mean, it sucks. 0.99

00:12:23.000 And we've had people come through and try to burn us to the ground afterwards. 0.97

00:12:28.000 And it's just like, that's reality.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, there's swattings and such.

00:12:30.000 Am I not allowed to say that?

00:12:31.000 Is there what?

00:12:32.000 The swatting.

00:12:33.000 Don't repeat it.

00:12:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:34.000 Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, no, I was here like when they was being swatted a lot.

00:12:38.000 Yeah, you were here for one of the swattings, weren't you? 0.96

00:12:39.000 No, it was like the next day.

00:12:41.000 I just missed it by a hair.

00:12:43.000 Good, good.

00:12:44.000 But a lot of people don't understand too, the swattings were not like cops kicking the door down and storming in and us going like, ugh.

00:12:49.000 It was like our security company got a phone call.

00:12:51.000 Except the first time.

00:12:52.000 The first time, yeah.

00:12:53.000 The first one seemed pretty swatty.

00:12:54.000 The first and like the 10th.

00:12:55.000 Yeah, the first one seemed rough.

00:12:56.000 Like Brett was out there on his hands and knees with his arms up behind his head.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, but anyway.

00:12:59.000 Yeah, the first one was like the cops opened the door and they were looking at me and they were waving at me.

00:13:03.000 I'm like, what?

00:13:04.000 I'm in the middle of a live show, dude.

00:13:05.000 I'm like, I mean, as you're thinking about that, that was 40K congruent viewers that night.

00:13:13.000 But that wasn't the night everyone watched an empty room for three hours.

00:13:17.000 Oh, that was the bomb.

00:13:18.000 That was the bomb.

00:13:19.000 You're thinking of Chercast. 0.99

00:13:19.000 Okay, yeah, Chercast. 0.99

00:13:21.000 That was when we had an incredible bomb threat that forced an evacuation.

00:13:24.000 I'll let you know some secrets, too.

00:13:26.000 Bomb threats and swatting.

00:13:28.000 I mean, I can't imagine why you're tired.

00:13:29.000 Well, but it's not just that.

00:13:30.000 I'm not tired.

00:13:31.000 I want to work, but I want to work effectively.

00:13:33.000 Sure.

00:13:33.000 And so, there are ways to do big shows.

00:13:38.000 Like, I can keep doing my morning show.

00:13:40.000 There's no issue.

00:13:40.000 I require zero employees to do that.

00:13:43.000 So, I kind of feel like I shouldn't get paid less for...

00:13:47.000 Like, so, I'll give you some stories.

00:13:51.000 We've had instances of people who work here leaking private information to far leftists who are harassing and stalking us.

00:13:56.000 Oh, good.

00:13:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:57.000 We've had instances of people stealing equipment, getting caught on camera, and it's just like, these things are normal, I totally get it.

00:14:03.000 Whose Fiero is that?

00:14:05.000 My brother's.

00:14:06.000 Okay, sweet.

00:14:07.000 It's cool.

00:14:07.000 Yeah.

00:14:08.000 I'm sorry, just...

00:14:09.000 You're talking about stealing stuff, and I just...

00:14:11.000 You're like, I want that Fiero.

00:14:12.000 I want that Fiero.

00:14:13.000 Right when I got out, I was like, it's been a while since I've seen a Fiero.

00:14:16.000 He does.

00:14:16.000 I like the red one I saw, though.

00:14:18.000 And I remember...

00:14:19.000 Anyway, I don't want to throw you off, but...

00:14:21.000 No, but it's like, you know, this morning...

00:14:22.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:14:23.000 So it's...

00:14:24.000 We wrap the show Monday through Thursday around 11.

00:14:26.000 Yeah.

00:14:27.000 And then I have to go right to bed, basically, so that I can get enough sleep.

00:14:30.000 And sometimes I don't.

00:14:32.000 So then I wake up around 7.30...

00:14:36.000 So I can eat breakfast, get ready, come in, and then try and figure out how to get the show done.

00:14:41.000 As of recent, because we want to do culture war, that means if I'm going to balance family and these shows and have the show be effective without dwindling into obscurity, I can't do four shows a week.

00:14:54.000 You can't do it right now.

00:14:57.000 Everybody's got content every single day of the week, so that means I need to do at least five days and then record extra content for the weekends so that I can have a persistent presence on the platform.

00:15:07.000 Otherwise, YouTube punishes you.

00:15:08.000 But it's also just about, like, are you a company that doesn't work three days out of the week?

00:15:12.000 I mean, then people are going to go other places.

00:15:14.000 If the coffee shops close Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, then people are going to go there.

00:15:17.000 Yeah, people are going to go watch elsewhere.

00:15:18.000 However, I can't do all of these things at the same time.

00:15:21.000 I can't wake up at 7, go in, computer's fried, studio doesn't work, no backups were created.

00:15:28.000 I have no means of producing the show that makes money to run the business.

00:15:32.000 And I'm like, okay, I'm going to have to do that.

00:15:34.000 I'm going to have to make sure that I run and maintain and build the system.

00:15:38.000 The first Timcast IRL studio that we built, I built by myself.

00:15:42.000 All of it.

00:15:43.000 Now we're at the point where we've got multiple people and we've built this big studio.

00:15:46.000 I don't know what is what.

00:15:49.000 When I built the studio, I knew every output.

00:15:51.000 I knew every input.

00:15:52.000 Now I have no idea.

00:15:53.000 So when the computer breaks, I'm like, I don't know why.

00:15:56.000 Why can't I reboot the computer?

00:15:57.000 I don't know.

00:15:58.000 And so that means I can't turn it on.

00:15:59.000 Where's the backup system?

00:16:00.000 It was never set up.

00:16:01.000 Okay, well, I can't do morning, night, and family stuff at the same time.

00:16:06.000 Impossible.

00:16:07.000 So, at this point, it's a cascade of failures and, you know, straws and a camel's back where I'm like...

00:16:15.000 Okay, I don't think this is it.

00:16:18.000 It's not your failure, though.

00:16:20.000 It is my failure.

00:16:22.000 Absolutely my failure.

00:16:24.000 How do you see it that way?

00:16:24.000 The person at the top.

00:16:25.000 Always.

00:16:26.000 I mean, it lies on you.

00:16:28.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:16:28.000 That's what they see.

00:16:29.000 I mean, I shouldn't rely on people.

00:16:31.000 If I say the computer's broken, I need a backup studio.

00:16:33.000 I should personally go and build a backup studio.

00:16:35.000 The problem is, I can't do everything.

00:16:38.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, but so there is something I can do.

00:16:42.000 If I set up my own studio for my morning show and I can make sure it works and I can have, you know, youtube.com slash Timcast News, there will never be a failure ever again.

00:16:51.000 The show will run every single day.

00:16:53.000 I will work a full day of work instead of a double day of work five days a week.

00:16:58.000 And I'll make a lot of money doing it without doing a single ad read all through programmatic YouTube ads.

00:17:04.000 So if we've come to the point where...

00:17:07.000 I have to build the machines and run the show and be the CEO, then one of these things is I can't juggle them all.

00:17:17.000 And so it seems like the most reasonable thing to do right now is literally just go back to doing the morning show.

00:17:22.000 No Timcast IRL, single hosted, zero employees, and then I can produce content and that'll be it.

00:17:32.000 And then I have to worry about running Timcast IRL. Twice today, I think you mentioned managerial issues.

00:17:40.000 Yeah, and so one of the reasons I've been talking about...

00:17:42.000 Is that right at you?

00:17:43.000 No, I'm not a manager.

00:17:44.000 I don't know what you're doing.

00:17:44.000 I wish I was.

00:17:45.000 We wouldn't have this problem.

00:17:46.000 I'm just kidding.

00:17:46.000 I'm just trying to add somebody here.

00:17:49.000 I'm not convinced.

00:17:51.000 I've been talking about the managerial crisis in this country for like a year.

00:17:56.000 And without getting into personal issues on the show.

00:17:58.000 Yeah.

00:17:59.000 So for a lot of people, like, how's this all happening at once?

00:18:00.000 It's like, exactly.

00:18:01.000 It's like, no, no, no.

00:18:01.000 We've been having, like, managerial struggles for a long time.

00:18:05.000 Yeah, because you have a good relationship with these guys, though.

00:18:07.000 So it's like, how do you...

00:18:08.000 Well, most people here, right?

00:18:09.000 Well, of course.

00:18:10.000 But it's like, look at it this way.

00:18:11.000 If everyone's 90% doing well, that extra 10% from each employee that they're missing, I have to do.

00:18:17.000 And at a certain point, it's not possible.

00:18:18.000 Well, and the extra 10% is what each person has to do to actually get it to thrive.

00:18:21.000 That's the difference between 90 and 100.

00:18:23.000 Right.

00:18:23.000 Well, I mean, the challenge is...

00:18:28.000 Right now, the big challenge is that anybody capable of doing it will do it on their own.

00:18:32.000 And social media has created that potentiality, and that's fine.

00:18:36.000 But if I go to someone who is talented and capable, and I say, hey, we need a person who can film skateboarding, for instance.

00:18:43.000 They're going to say, I'll just make my own YouTube channel and go film it myself.

00:18:47.000 I don't need to work for you.

00:18:48.000 And I'm like, fair point.

00:18:49.000 You're right.

00:18:49.000 So then we find someone, and we're like, what about you?

00:18:51.000 You seem to be able.

00:18:52.000 And they're like, sure.

00:18:53.000 And then three months goes by, and we don't do anything.

00:18:55.000 What's more your passion?

00:18:56.000 Like, what's your enjoyment now?

00:18:58.000 Do you still like doing it?

00:18:59.000 This is it. 0.98

00:19:00.000 And so that's why it's frustrating when I wake up in the morning and I'm like, holy crap, Trump and the fryer? 0.82

00:19:04.000 Look at, I was like, and then there's so much I wanted to talk about. 0.81

00:19:04.000 Yeah. 0.81

00:19:08.000 Yeah, that was a big story.

00:19:10.000 I can't talk about any of it.

00:19:11.000 Like, one of the Krasensteins attacked Trump saying he's attacking Kamala for not being at McDonald's.

00:19:19.000 Can he prove he was at 9-11, clearing out rubble?

00:19:22.000 And I'm like, here's a picture of Donald Trump that was from ABC News, a week after 9-11.

00:19:27.000 Trump just said he was down there, helped a little bit.

00:19:30.000 Allegedly, Tim Walsh is doing DoorDash, so you got that going.

00:19:33.000 No, is that a joke?

00:19:34.000 What?

00:19:34.000 Yes.

00:19:37.000 But I just want to see what they would do in return.

00:19:39.000 And distort it online.

00:19:40.000 Thank you for that.

00:19:41.000 But it's believable.

00:19:42.000 That's why I'm like...

00:19:43.000 There's a Newsweek article where they're like, rumors circulate on the internet that Donald Trump's McDonald's job was staged.

00:19:51.000 And I was like, do they think that Trump applied at McDonald's and then showed up for work?

00:19:58.000 People are, they're trying to, oh.

00:20:00.000 No, go ahead, go ahead.

00:20:00.000 I was going to say, they're trying to kill him, so what do they think?

00:20:02.000 He's just going to walk in there and be like, hey, let me just serve some regular people?

00:20:05.000 Yeah, you don't, anywhere with guns is bad.

00:20:07.000 Even your own shrubs at your golf course.

00:20:10.000 Yeah.

00:20:11.000 And then I saw a bunch of people being like, he pre-screened all the people who were getting food, and I'm like, yeah, because there's someone who gets shot.

00:20:16.000 Well, what is he supposed to do?

00:20:17.000 Like, duh.

00:20:19.000 Well, so anyway, like, all yesterday, like, I'm seeing this stuff, and I'm revved up.

00:20:24.000 And I'm like, well, I have family stuff to take care of.

00:20:27.000 I can't...

00:20:27.000 Like, I'm spending time with my family, you know?

00:20:29.000 I can't just do the show seven days a week.

00:20:33.000 There was one weekend where I was like, I think I'll do shows in the weekend.

00:20:35.000 You try to.

00:20:36.000 And then, you know, my family doesn't get too happy about that.

00:20:39.000 I hear you.

00:20:40.000 Yeah.

00:20:40.000 You can't do it.

00:20:41.000 You gotta be happy outside of work as well.

00:20:43.000 Yeah, and I got responsibilities to other people too, so...

00:20:45.000 Well, you'll lose your sanity.

00:20:47.000 No, I want to do the show.

00:20:49.000 You want to do seven days a week.

00:20:50.000 I feel like you want to do it, but you don't want to do it.

00:20:52.000 No, I want to come in, in the morning, and complain.

00:20:55.000 And I mean complain in a somewhat self-deprecating way.

00:20:58.000 What I mean is, there are things that I think people should be aware of, and I also want to express how I feel about the current goings-on.

00:21:06.000 And it's, a lot of people like watching it.

00:21:09.000 So, I think, you know, the only reason, the reason I say this may be the last episode, is that I have a bit of guilt of like, The people who really are accustomed to and feel they need and that the world benefits from us doing the show?

00:21:25.000 Survivor's guilt.

00:21:26.000 Is that what it is?

00:21:27.000 I think that's a form of it.

00:21:29.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 I understand what you're saying 100% by folks who are waiting for this.

00:21:34.000 I still wait for the 10 a.m.

00:21:36.000 If it's not there, then I'm like, what the F's going on?

00:21:38.000 Yeah.

00:21:39.000 This show's an accident, too.

00:21:41.000 This show's a complete accident.

00:21:42.000 This show wasn't supposed to exist.

00:21:44.000 The reason why it's called In Real Life is because I do my morning show, and then I was like, I can do my morning show from the road.

00:21:49.000 So I went on Joe Rogan's show, and I told them all, you're nuts, I'm going to build a van and go live down by the river, and I was only half kidding.

00:21:55.000 I told them I was only half kidding.

00:21:56.000 I built a van with a computer and a studio.

00:21:58.000 I think I heard that video of you posting, like, you had a van in the background.

00:22:01.000 Yeah, it's on this channel.

00:22:02.000 It's a really nice van, by the way, folks.

00:22:04.000 What kind?

00:22:05.000 Not anymore.

00:22:05.000 It's a Ford Ecoline?

00:22:07.000 It's clean.

00:22:08.000 F-150 or something?

00:22:09.000 No, you're right.

00:22:10.000 It's like an Ecoline.

00:22:11.000 Ecoline?

00:22:11.000 Yeah.

00:22:12.000 It's a candy van.

00:22:12.000 And it's got...

00:22:13.000 It's got the big top on it and everything.

00:22:15.000 It's real nice.

00:22:15.000 It's got solar panels, external air conditioning, or secondary air conditioning.

00:22:20.000 Off-road tires, too, because he loves the van.

00:22:22.000 Or the river, I mean.

00:22:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:24.000 You've got good tires on it.

00:22:25.000 That's just because...

00:22:27.000 They said we can go premium with the tires.

00:22:29.000 I was like, I don't know anything about it.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:31.000 Actually, no, no, no, no.

00:22:32.000 The first tires were small.

00:22:34.000 Oh, were they?

00:22:35.000 And someone told me, like, they're going to explode.

00:22:36.000 And I was like, okay, I better upgrade them.

00:22:38.000 But the original idea for In Real Life was after I finished the morning show, if I just go drive somewhere, I can set up and say, morning show done.

00:22:48.000 Shout out to everybody.

00:22:49.000 I'm currently hanging out in...

00:22:53.000 Austin and come hang out and we're gonna do Tim Kest in real life where I just talk with random people.

00:22:59.000 Yeah.

00:22:59.000 I do remember that was one of the first things you talked about, like having like regular folks.

00:23:03.000 Like I guess I might be the first regular folk on the job.

00:23:05.000 Like you just give people plumbers once a week or something like that.

00:23:08.000 Well, the original plan was to sit down and sort of like change my mind or what Charlie Kirk does.

00:23:15.000 Be like, who wants to sit down and just have a conversation.

00:23:17.000 And literally be like, hey, today in the news was this, like, hey, what do you think about what's going on?

00:23:21.000 And I'll show you the stories.

00:23:22.000 And it was just to, because I like talking to people, but because of COVID, we couldn't go anywhere.

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 And so I was like...

00:23:28.000 I thought it was because of COVID was mainly the reason why you're doing that.

00:23:31.000 Couldn't travel anymore.

00:23:32.000 I used to fly on two flights every week when I worked for these other companies.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, during COVID, I just kept traveling, but it was...

00:23:39.000 It was very hard.

00:23:40.000 You weren't supposed to, but it's like, if you're short, you can just walk past people in the military and just keep moving.

00:23:46.000 They're looking up.

00:23:46.000 They don't notice.

00:23:47.000 Yeah, I'll be like, I gotta pee.

00:23:48.000 I'll be right back.

00:23:49.000 They're like, yeah, he'll come back.

00:23:50.000 And then I just walk out the door.

00:23:50.000 He'll be afraid.

00:23:53.000 I did an entire year in New York.

00:23:53.000 It's pretty good.

00:23:55.000 Sorry if that's still a crime, I guess.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, we were in Jersey.

00:23:59.000 Turns out the virus might be not as bad.

00:24:01.000 The show got very big.

00:24:02.000 Yes, it did.

00:24:03.000 It got big, and then I was like, okay, well, I mean, you know, maybe we'll do something like this.

00:24:09.000 Like, don't stop now.

00:24:10.000 I mean, we seem to, we're on a roll.

00:24:12.000 Yeah.

00:24:12.000 There is some reality that I think I've talked about before, though, but I used to get on youtube.com slash timcast the 4pm video, a single half an hour video, would get anywhere from 300,000 to 500,000 views.

00:24:26.000 Your 4pm's my favorite back in the day.

00:24:26.000 Right.

00:24:29.000 Yeah, and...

00:24:32.000 I never really did any legit ad reads.

00:24:34.000 So I'm talking like Daily Wire style ad reads.

00:24:38.000 I'll tell you, me neither, but that's just because not a great reader.

00:24:41.000 Well, if I did sell them, 500,000 could be like 10 to 15 grand.

00:24:47.000 Yeah.

00:24:47.000 For one read on one video.

00:24:49.000 Imagine if I was getting that every single day.

00:24:50.000 I wasn't doing that.

00:24:51.000 Yeah.

00:24:52.000 And so then I had YouTube.com slash Timcast News.

00:24:56.000 And between the two of them, it was like three to four million per day.

00:24:59.000 And I think it was upwards of like 60, 70 million a month. 0.99

00:25:02.000 Damn. 1.00

00:25:03.000 Damn. 1.00

00:25:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:04.000 And I will stress now, like a lot of these other channels are getting like 100 to 150 million, but those are including shorts. 0.99

00:25:10.000 Yeah.

00:25:11.000 Which is a lot easier to produce.

00:25:13.000 So, you know.

00:25:15.000 You have a Clips channel, though.

00:25:17.000 For IRL? Yeah.

00:25:19.000 The Clips are on IRL. It's the same channel.

00:25:20.000 Yeah, same channel.

00:25:21.000 Oh, it is the same channel.

00:25:22.000 Yeah, same channel post later, yeah.

00:25:23.000 Yeah, and there's pros and cons to that.

00:25:24.000 It's tough.

00:25:25.000 It's like, if the people are going to watch the show every night anyway, then they don't need a notification.

00:25:29.000 Yeah, ours is both where, yeah, you follow that algorithm, but then it doesn't know if you want to be a long show or a short show, and you can't figure out any of it.

00:25:36.000 Exactly.

00:25:37.000 But then doesn't it change to how when people are searching for the show, you get a clip, clip, clip, and they want the 20-minute version?

00:25:46.000 The 20 minute version of...

00:25:47.000 You say you do clips, or maybe not IRL, but your morning shows or anything.

00:25:51.000 The morning shows have always been segments that I would just upload throughout the day.

00:25:55.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.000 So, yeah.

00:25:58.000 What I was going to say is, when we started IRL, it cannibalized the morning show.

00:26:02.000 So the morning show peaked at the 34th biggest podcast in the world.

00:26:06.000 And...

00:26:08.000 When IRL launched, half the viewers stopped watching that and started going to the audio Timcast IRL show.

00:26:15.000 And I said, no, I don't know.

00:26:17.000 People probably like the conversation nature of it more than the monologuing show.

00:26:21.000 But, same, you know.

00:26:23.000 So then, now the Tim Pool Morning Show, Tim Pool Daily News Show or whatever, is...

00:26:28.000 Not in the top 200.

00:26:30.000 Sometimes it jumps up to like 190, but then it falls off again.

00:26:33.000 And Tim Castile, I think, was raising like number 160 in the world.

00:26:36.000 But that's audio side.

00:26:37.000 YouTube side, we do get...

00:26:38.000 It's a big show, and we get a lot of views.

00:26:40.000 I'm 20,006.

00:26:42.000 Is that what your number is?

00:26:43.000 No.

00:26:44.000 I'm guessing it's lower.

00:26:46.000 Yeah.

00:26:47.000 But, you know, so anyway, it's like, it comes to a point where it's like, now I'm working 16 hours a day for a diminishing return.

00:26:54.000 Whereas before, I could have been getting 60, 70 million just up doing a morning show, being done with work by 4 p.m., being able to do family stuff, plan investments, maybe work on skateboard videos.

00:27:05.000 If I wasn't doing...

00:27:07.000 And so IRL is basically a diminishing return where now there's just 15 Tim Pool videos going up every single day and only so many Tim Pool fans.

00:27:15.000 So it's like if I consolidated it down, would we get 40% of the IRL viewership to just watch the morning show again and is IRL just cannibalizing?

00:27:22.000 Would we lose?

00:27:23.000 How much would we lose?

00:27:23.000 I don't know.

00:27:24.000 But the issue is the Tim Pool morning show requires zero employees, zero management.

00:27:29.000 It requires nothing.

00:27:30.000 I'm not going to deal with lawsuits.

00:27:32.000 I'm not going to deal with security issues.

00:27:35.000 Literally just wake up, handle all by myself, and run a successful show.

00:27:40.000 I wouldn't have to rely on members to sustain the staff required to do a show like this or anything, you know?

00:27:46.000 Have you been sued a lot?

00:27:47.000 Yes.

00:27:48.000 I would assume, yeah.

00:27:49.000 Not as a negative, I just assume.

00:27:51.000 And I'll tell you, like, the problem I have with it is I think...

00:27:59.000 I don't want to throw anyone under the bus, but I just don't think anybody cares. 0.84

00:28:02.000 When I say that I had to write a check for 30 grand because someone here fucked up, and then it's just like, keep calm and carry on, not my fault. 0.71

00:28:11.000 And I'm like, yo, I'm paying myself less than my morning show makes. 0.83

00:28:19.000 If I just did my morning show, I'm putting more money in my pocket.

00:28:22.000 The company has a profit.

00:28:23.000 That profit stays in the company.

00:28:24.000 At the end of the year, the profit stays there so that we can make sure that there's a buffer.

00:28:28.000 So the company makes money.

00:28:29.000 At the end of the year, there's some profit.

00:28:30.000 It will go to me automatically.

00:28:32.000 And then I try to make sure there's money aside so that everyone gets paid.

00:28:35.000 But I do kind of feel like we're at the point where it's...

00:28:38.000 And end it all except for...

00:28:41.000 So the reason I say it may be the last is we had a conversation today, Allison and I, about what's the most effective means of managing the issue.

00:28:51.000 And it's, okay, maybe what we do is we end 70%.

00:28:55.000 We would keep Tim Kest IRL, a skeleton crew to have it operate, the morning show, and the boonies.

00:29:05.000 We'd have one single secondary investment outside of the shows, and that would allow me more time to be hands-on to make sure that it operates properly.

00:29:14.000 But that's more so just like, yeah, but...

00:29:18.000 Doing that is still trying to justify why we have to keep working as hard as possible.

00:29:22.000 Is your property more for your crew or because it's something you wanted?

00:29:27.000 Like doing the Freedamistan boonies show?

00:29:30.000 All that stuff, yeah.

00:29:31.000 It's what I wanted.

00:29:32.000 And it's like, there's actually several big components to it.

00:29:32.000 Okay.

00:29:37.000 Skateboarding is dead.

00:29:39.000 It's fun.

00:29:41.000 The skateboard industry collapsed.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, oh, for sure it did.

00:29:44.000 I used to be a poser, thank you.

00:29:46.000 Well, you tried.

00:29:46.000 Oh, that's...

00:29:48.000 Well, I would just get high and then I would watch my friend's skateboard.

00:29:50.000 I had a Cheech and Chong board for a minute.

00:29:52.000 What year was that, 91?

00:29:54.000 96.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, so, like, I love skateboarding.

00:30:00.000 I do too.

00:30:01.000 Well, not really.

00:30:02.000 We've got, you know, some of our buddies are some, you know, big pros and they love skateboarding.

00:30:05.000 Yeah, they're awesome.

00:30:06.000 And everyone's, like, I've talked to some of the biggest guys in the industry and they're like, skateboarding is dead.

00:30:11.000 My son loves it.

00:30:12.000 Some of the biggest shoe companies are collapsing.

00:30:14.000 Yeah.

00:30:14.000 And that's the heart and soul of the skateboard industry.

00:30:17.000 Yeah, they're comfy.

00:30:18.000 Yeah, like Vans and DCs and all that.

00:30:20.000 It's like New Balance and stuff now as well.

00:30:22.000 Vans is fine because Vans is an urban generic.

00:30:25.000 Yeah, Vans has become like, you can get them at Kohl's, you know?

00:30:29.000 Yeah.

00:30:30.000 They still make DCs, though.

00:30:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:32.000 DC's fine.

00:30:32.000 Like, mall brands are fine.

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:34.000 But there were core brands.

00:30:35.000 I think Soltech was one of them, and they sold recently.

00:30:38.000 Soltech is gone.

00:30:38.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 My Booker used to work there.

00:30:40.000 Crazy.

00:30:40.000 And then there's also, what was it?

00:30:43.000 - Echo?

00:30:44.000 - Echo, I'm your Echo.

00:30:46.000 - Etnies, didn't it? - Etnies was Soltech.

00:30:49.000 Was that Soltech?

00:30:50.000 That might have been part of Soltech.

00:30:51.000 Soltech sold somewhere.

00:30:53.000 Because there's World Industries.

00:30:54.000 Is that still around?

00:30:54.000 That's not a shoe company, though.

00:30:56.000 Oh, they never made shoes?

00:30:56.000 Oh, no, actually, I think they did start making shoes.

00:30:58.000 They made shoes for a minute, yeah.

00:31:00.000 Because they made cargo pants and stuff for a second.

00:31:02.000 I skated a long time ago.

00:31:04.000 Well, skateboarding is...

00:31:04.000 Well, fake skated.

00:31:05.000 Skateboarding is consolidating as the money evaporates.

00:31:08.000 And it's because you're not getting kids to skate.

00:31:11.000 And so part of it was like, well, I want to skate, but we want skateboarding to persist.

00:31:16.000 We want young people to skate.

00:31:16.000 We want kids to be inspired to skate.

00:31:18.000 We want to cheer for that kid who lands his first kickflip.

00:31:20.000 A lot of world firsts have been accomplished in the past couple of months.

00:31:24.000 I think it was Guy...

00:31:25.000 Was it Guy Curry who landed the kickflip body barrel 900?

00:31:28.000 That name sounds familiar probably because I heard you talk about it.

00:31:30.000 I'll pose and be like, yeah.

00:31:32.000 But it's just, it's like a tremendous feat.

00:31:34.000 But the industry is dead.

00:31:36.000 And so there's two things.

00:31:37.000 There's my passion, there's the opportunity.

00:31:39.000 Skateboarding is in the Olympics.

00:31:41.000 So it is, there's going to be investment, but likely what's going to happen is- You have an Olympian in your house right now.

00:31:46.000 Indeed.

00:31:47.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 Really?

00:31:47.000 Yeah, for real.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, I was talking to her.

00:31:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:31:50.000 Yeah.

00:31:50.000 But- If the Olympics comes in 2028 and everyone just backs off, it's going to get picked up by, like, the equivalent of a tobacco company.

00:32:00.000 Like, a nameless guy in a suit who's like, skateboarders should be wearing unitards.

00:32:05.000 And that's where we're headed.

00:32:06.000 I think if Marlboro buys it, though, there's a chance it might thrive again.

00:32:10.000 Actually, to be fair, I don't know, but they're under a lot of regulations.

00:32:13.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:32:15.000 I warned a bunch of skaters.

00:32:18.000 You can get trucks and wheels.

00:32:19.000 Dude.

00:32:20.000 I'm like, look at gymnastics.

00:32:21.000 Do you see them wearing cargo pants?

00:32:23.000 I'm not allowed to watch them.

00:32:25.000 No?

00:32:25.000 Yeah, it's this whole thing.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, I'm not allowed to watch men's gymnastics.

00:32:35.000 With custom, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a onesie where the shoes are attached like booties.

00:32:41.000 Dude, this is almost exactly what happened in skiing.

00:32:45.000 It's like hand in glove.

00:32:46.000 It's exactly what happened in skiing.

00:32:47.000 They said, oh, it's not going to be all regimented.

00:32:49.000 It's not going to be all serious.

00:32:50.000 But then suddenly the FIS is like, well, you got to tell us what trick you're doing.

00:32:53.000 The first mogul jump and the second mogul jump.

00:32:55.000 And if you don't tell us exactly and do that exact trick, so all the creativity is gone.

00:32:58.000 There's nothing.

00:32:59.000 There's no more.

00:32:59.000 The sport's going to become like, like Tim's saying, like a target sport.

00:33:02.000 It'll be a target sport in two seconds.

00:33:05.000 So I've talked to some pros, and they're like, nah, I don't know about that.

00:33:09.000 People are going to want to do it.

00:33:09.000 I'm like, I'm telling you, when China says we want to win and we don't give a crap what you're wearing, they're going to force their team to put on onesies because it's beneficial.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, people jam hot dogs down their throat for competition. 0.93

00:33:21.000 Skateboarding still has a fighting chance.

00:33:24.000 I believe that.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, I hear you.

00:33:26.000 Like, my son loves it, and I know his friends are starting to love it.

00:33:29.000 I mean, he's nine, so that's a generation, you know.

00:33:32.000 It's just right now, the industry is, yeah, it might turn into a target sport.

00:33:36.000 Like, who's quitting skiing?

00:33:37.000 Who's quitting skiing, right?

00:33:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:38.000 I did, but I quit a lot of things.

00:33:41.000 That's unfortunate.

00:33:42.000 No, I did ski.

00:33:43.000 I fell down a hill on my face, and it looked like 20 guys beat the crap out of me.

00:33:47.000 No, that is not good.

00:33:49.000 It was softer snow, and my ski got stuck in a mogul, and then I just went down the hill like a Chevy Chase fall.

00:33:55.000 And I just woke up at the bottom.

00:33:57.000 Oh, I didn't wake up.

00:33:58.000 I woke up in the hospital.

00:33:59.000 But yeah, after that, I was like, I don't want to ski anymore.

00:34:01.000 Is it a true story?

00:34:01.000 Yeah.

00:34:02.000 Jeez.

00:34:03.000 Yeah, dude, I was like, just bloody.

00:34:06.000 It looked like somebody had just beaten the crap out of me, but it was just my ski got stuck in a mogul.

00:34:11.000 And you flipped forward?

00:34:12.000 It was a high knob in Michigan.

00:34:12.000 Yeah, dude.

00:34:14.000 You were going down moguls?

00:34:15.000 I was going down the Black Diamond because I decided- Black Diamond moguls?

00:34:19.000 Yeah.

00:34:19.000 Yeah, yeah, because I thought I'd follow...

00:34:21.000 Were you professional?

00:34:21.000 No!

00:34:23.000 My brother and my friend Dean decided to do it, and I was like, me too!

00:34:27.000 And then, yeah, my ski got stuck, and then I seriously went down every mogul on my face.

00:34:32.000 I think I went skiing for the second time, and I was struggling to go down to green diamonds.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, it's not easy.

00:34:36.000 I mean, green circles, sorry.

00:34:38.000 I'll bunny hill it now.

00:34:39.000 I disagree, though.

00:34:41.000 Like, on a snowboard, I can go down...

00:34:44.000 I've gone down a double black diamond on a snowboard in fresh powder.

00:34:49.000 That's kind of easier.

00:34:50.000 I've done some snowboarding, but I'm just not good at it.

00:34:54.000 Snowboarding, I can actually get around pretty well.

00:34:56.000 I mean, I guess if I tried.

00:34:57.000 Like, Alice and I went snowboarding, and we were going down the blue intermediates.

00:35:04.000 Blue square.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, just over and over and over again, and doing little jumps, and going through the park, and doing little jumps and stuff.

00:35:09.000 Because, like, I've been skateboarding, so snowboarding seemed like the first thing to do.

00:35:12.000 Everybody I knew who skated snowboarding.

00:35:14.000 But I think skiing's easier.

00:35:16.000 It is easier.

00:35:16.000 Skiing is easier, but does snowboarding translate from skateboarding?

00:35:20.000 No, definitely not.

00:35:21.000 Because, like, skiing, you have, like, fall line, your body going this.

00:35:23.000 Snowboarding, you're turning your whole body towards a slope.

00:35:25.000 Yeah, I don't...

00:35:25.000 Facing the slope sometimes.

00:35:26.000 And I feel like on skis, you don't catch an edge as often.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, yeah, I especially had a couple times when I first tried snowboarding, like, literally, yeah, down.

00:35:34.000 You don't see a lot of old people.

00:35:34.000 I'm so happy I was wearing a helmet.

00:35:35.000 Yeah, snowboarding either.

00:35:37.000 Like, I have four rods in my knee.

00:35:38.000 I'm not gonna go near a snowboard.

00:35:39.000 And that wasn't even from that accident.

00:35:41.000 That was just slipping on keg beer.

00:35:43.000 So to bring us all the way back, because we're on a tangent, that's why I wanted to do Cast Castle, Free Damestan, the boonies, is to build culture, and it's like, damn, I'm just kind of like, after four years, maybe we just can't do it.

00:35:56.000 No amount of money is going to make it possible.

00:35:58.000 If you don't have the people who want to do it and nobody wants to do it, I feel like the reality is just skateboarding is dead.

00:36:04.000 You need that person who every day wakes up and says, I just want to go film a video.

00:36:11.000 And then they do it.

00:36:12.000 But I don't know that that exists.

00:36:14.000 The people who can do it have their own channels and they're making a modest living doing it.

00:36:18.000 And it's not going to go beyond that because they're like, why would I do anything else?

00:36:22.000 So what we usually end up with is, oh, this guy's got a channel.

00:36:25.000 Maybe he wants to grow and will invest.

00:36:27.000 And they're like, no, I make money.

00:36:28.000 I don't need to do it.

00:36:29.000 And that's a lot of things.

00:36:32.000 For the shows that we've launched, obviously before we launched them, we reached out to other people who are already doing shows and said, hey, we could invest in this and help you grow it.

00:36:40.000 And then the deal we would work is kind of like a record label deal.

00:36:42.000 Like we'll get a small percentage, but you control everything and we'll advertise it for you.

00:36:46.000 No, not interested.

00:36:46.000 No, we don't need it.

00:36:48.000 Really?

00:36:48.000 Yeah.

00:36:49.000 I'm surprised by that, though.

00:36:51.000 Is that recently?

00:36:51.000 No, go ahead.

00:36:52.000 I was going to say that, recently?

00:36:54.000 Because it's like, I can see that being two years ago.

00:36:57.000 Maybe one, maybe, no, not one year, but like modern world with how big IRL is and the Timcast brand.

00:37:04.000 They still like, no, we're good on our own?

00:37:07.000 No, no, absolutely not.

00:37:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:08.000 And I mean, I was talking about this a long time ago when I was talking, two years ago, I was talking, the Daily Wire made a pitch like, hey, and I'm like, I got a company with 20 employees and we make eight figures.

00:37:17.000 Oh, I remember that.

00:37:18.000 Yeah, I'm like, I don't, I, I, like, with, I, those guys are great.

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

00:37:23.000 I respect their, their honesty in business.

00:37:25.000 It's, they, maybe it's because they're Christians and, or not all of them, but.

00:37:30.000 Not all of them.

00:37:30.000 One's pretty, pretty much not at all.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, one's Jewish.

00:37:33.000 But in terms of, like, the people that I negotiated with, I'm like, maybe it's just they have scruples and they believe in something else beyond them.

00:37:41.000 They don't want to be evil.

00:37:41.000 Not that they're perfect and there are people who do not like them, so that's fair, but that was basically the issue back then.

00:37:48.000 It's like, I got a company.

00:37:49.000 I can do whatever I want.

00:37:51.000 Why do a deal with you?

00:37:52.000 And then you can do it.

00:37:53.000 True, true.

00:37:54.000 But I think that's the challenge with growing something that rivals, say, like Disney.

00:37:59.000 So if you look at the way the left operates today especially is they're a – what do we call them?

00:38:04.000 Like a hive of wasps or a fire.

00:38:06.000 Yeah.

00:38:07.000 There's not – I mean – Yeah, no, a flu.

00:38:12.000 I mean whatever you want to call it.

00:38:14.000 But look at how they operate.

00:38:15.000 They march in lockstep with each other.

00:38:17.000 It's a swarm.

00:38:18.000 It accomplishes what it does through swarm hive ideology.

00:38:23.000 The movies are bad.

00:38:24.000 They're bombing.

00:38:25.000 Nobody wants to see them.

00:38:26.000 But everybody marches in lockstep agreeing with each other all the way down.

00:38:29.000 But I think the problem is, what are we delivering on the right?

00:38:29.000 It's crazy.

00:38:33.000 That's what I'm trying to do with sketch, that's what I'm trying to do with film.

00:38:35.000 We're not making things that are bad.

00:38:37.000 We just complain.

00:38:38.000 Yeah, and I just put up a movie that I made called The King, and it did really well.

00:38:42.000 I pulled it off in 24 hours.

00:38:43.000 I was surprised how many people liked it, because that was my own nerves, but still...

00:38:46.000 Like, I don't think we're putting out stuff that's necessarily relatable on the right, and we're putting out stuff that people are dying to see.

00:38:52.000 I think a lot of it misses the mark.

00:38:54.000 I mean, that's the reality.

00:38:56.000 If we actually want to rival with something like Disney, I mean, I think you have to put forward actual stories people want to watch without agenda.

00:39:03.000 And I think the problem is there's always an agenda.

00:39:06.000 The opportunity, that's why I think M.I. Racist, I think M.I. Racist did well, and my praise for it is because.

00:39:12.000 Yes, it was good.

00:39:13.000 But it was barely political, you know what I mean?

00:39:14.000 Yeah, it appealed to like normal people.

00:39:16.000 I often bring up the slapstick that was in it.

00:39:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:21.000 The title was polarizing.

00:39:22.000 Yeah, the title was polarizing to get it, and that's what I liked about it was it didn't go in the route that I thought it would.

00:39:29.000 Yeah.

00:39:29.000 There's a scene where Matt is serving these anti-racists and he's trying to put butter on their plate and she's pushing him away to not do it and he just reaches over and does it anyway.

00:39:40.000 Chivalry.

00:39:41.000 Right.

00:39:41.000 He drops the plates on the ground.

00:39:43.000 There are a lot of jokes that are not...

00:39:44.000 I would say the movie's not politics.

00:39:46.000 It's satirically exploring their own worldview.

00:39:51.000 Sure.

00:39:52.000 So you don't need to give a message other than let's do it and let it be itself.

00:39:55.000 Yeah.

00:39:56.000 That's what I mean.

00:39:57.000 I think if you're just being yourself and you're putting that out there, that's a lot more quality because everything else operating out of that side is agenda-driven.

00:40:03.000 It's ridiculous how bad stuff has become.

00:40:06.000 It's also like a standalone complex.

00:40:07.000 They do that on their own is what Tim is trying to say.

00:40:09.000 They just do it because they just have this pre-programmed thing.

00:40:12.000 They know how to achieve whatever they're trying to achieve.

00:40:15.000 They don't really realize what it is.

00:40:16.000 They're not actually Marxist, but they're being controlled by people that may know more about it.

00:40:19.000 They don't know.

00:40:20.000 Here are a few good examples that I would consider the quote-unquote right, despite not really.

00:40:24.000 Ryan Long and Andrew Schultz.

00:40:25.000 Absolutely.

00:40:26.000 That I wouldn't call them political.

00:40:28.000 No.

00:40:28.000 They do things because they want to do it.

00:40:30.000 They do it for themselves and they run their own companies.

00:40:32.000 Wasn't Andrew's story like he sold to Netflix and then bought it back?

00:40:35.000 Amazon.

00:40:35.000 Or who was that?

00:40:36.000 Amazon.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, he sold it to Amazon.

00:40:37.000 Oh, I thought it was Netflix.

00:40:38.000 It was Amazon.

00:40:39.000 He did have a Netflix special, but that wasn't the issue.

00:40:39.000 That was his new special.

00:40:41.000 That wasn't the one?

00:40:42.000 Okay.

00:40:42.000 Yeah, he bought it back for a million dollars and put it out himself.

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:45.000 It was huge.

00:40:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:47.000 And so...

00:40:48.000 And yeah, Ryan's a good friend of mine.

00:40:49.000 He's done sketches for us, and he's just somebody who...

00:40:52.000 He's making fun of the current culture.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, whatever's funny.

00:40:55.000 Even like Rogan.

00:40:56.000 All those guys who aren't right-wing, they do stuff.

00:40:59.000 But they're suddenly right all of a sudden.

00:41:00.000 Right.

00:41:01.000 So anyway, you know, my mentality right now is like, if I were to do my morning show, and then either for like the members that want to stick around, do like a 1pm to 2pm members hangout where we do like the members only show Q&A. Not only that, but if I did the morning show, and then depending on how I want to run it, setting a time...

00:41:25.000 So if I recorded a handful of segments early in the morning, and then from like 1 to 2 did some kind of interview show like IRL, which was much simpler, and then record a couple more segments, I could be done by 4 and not going to bed at 11.

00:41:38.000 So the schedule for IRL also makes it very difficult.

00:41:41.000 The other challenges that we have is travel, booking, like the morning show doesn't have any of these requirements, and we don't do Zoom, and Zoom is not good. 0.93

00:41:50.000 No, it sucks.

00:41:52.000 And everybody's like, do the Zoom interviews, and it's like... 0.98

00:41:54.000 Those are terrible.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, it's going to suck when that takes over, but it will because this is a component of automation where it's like, it's not literal automation, but if you go to a business and you say, we're going to do a show with these really great in-person conversations, it's going to cost us X amount per year.

00:42:12.000 Then someone else says, ah, I'll do the same show with the same guests, but zero travel and accommodation costs, no ancillary staff for accommodating guests because we'll do it digitally.

00:42:22.000 I tell you every time what the business is going to choose.

00:42:24.000 Yeah, true.

00:42:25.000 Exactly.

00:42:26.000 And that's why quality fails.

00:42:27.000 But the problem is when you put two businesses to compete with each other and one tries to be in person and one is digital, digital will win every time.

00:42:37.000 Of course.

00:42:38.000 Because even though the quality is lesser, the output will be more and they'll bury you.

00:42:42.000 Yep.

00:42:43.000 So they can be like, I can interview a celebrity tomorrow.

00:42:46.000 Right.

00:42:47.000 Yeah, we can't.

00:42:49.000 They'll say like, I don't know when I'll be able to make it out there.

00:42:52.000 I don't know if I'm going to.

00:42:54.000 Let's say we want to get Jordan Peterson on the show.

00:42:56.000 And we've talked to him and he's like, I'd like to come out at this time.

00:42:58.000 Maybe we'll figure it out.

00:43:00.000 If we had Zoom, he'd be like, oh, I can Zoom tomorrow.

00:43:02.000 And so these other people who want to hear that, it's not as good.

00:43:05.000 You hear that?

00:43:06.000 That was a good voice.

00:43:07.000 Spot on.

00:43:09.000 You know what I'll do?

00:43:10.000 I'll just, we'll have the cameras give out and then I'll do all the voices and I'll be like, Trump and Jordan Peterson are here right now with me.

00:43:16.000 It's live in person.

00:43:17.000 Trust me.

00:43:17.000 You bring back Fauci.

00:43:18.000 Just have two impersonators all the time.

00:43:21.000 I made that joke with Seamus before.

00:43:22.000 I was like, let's just do like an audio podcast and you're, you know, we'll do the best show ever and Seamus will just do the voices.

00:43:29.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 Yeah, so that's what I've been thinking about.

00:43:31.000 Like, if I were to do what I just described, it requires zero staff.

00:43:35.000 I would actually like to listen to a show where you're just interviewing people pretending to be that person.

00:43:40.000 Actually, that'd be a good show for you.

00:43:41.000 Take it seriously the whole time, though.

00:43:43.000 Like, never let it break.

00:43:45.000 It is that person.

00:43:46.000 That actually is a good idea for a funny show.

00:43:47.000 I would do it.

00:43:48.000 You should do it.

00:43:48.000 I'd do it in a heartbeat.

00:43:49.000 Just interview people that are pretend, and then I won't know.

00:43:52.000 Tyler Fisher?

00:43:53.000 I love Tyler.

00:43:54.000 Have him do Trump and then interview him as if he's Trump?

00:43:57.000 Yeah, and he's just sitting there in his beard.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, I know.

00:44:00.000 Not even noticing.

00:44:02.000 That would be pretty fun.

00:44:02.000 It would be like Between Two Ferns or whatever.

00:44:04.000 You could do something like that.

00:44:05.000 I would do that in a heartbeat.

00:44:06.000 But do you enjoy IRL? You enjoy it, right?

00:44:10.000 You like talking and having a good time?

00:44:12.000 Yeah, it's just heavy.

00:44:12.000 It's a very heavy object.

00:44:14.000 The time slot is extremely heavy.

00:44:17.000 The...

00:44:18.000 I mean, like, it's a funny thing.

00:44:19.000 Like, our speakers, we have no idea why, but a channel has been missing from them.

00:44:24.000 And even on the new machine, for some reason, a channel is missing.

00:44:27.000 So it's like, we were playing two weeks from All That Remains.

00:44:30.000 I don't know what that means, by the way, guys.

00:44:31.000 So I'll explain.

00:44:34.000 We played two weeks from All That Remains, and the first 30 seconds of the song is just a snare drum going...

00:44:43.000 Because the song starts with a guitar, but the channel is missing, so it's not there.

00:44:49.000 Oh, so you're just hearing the bass?

00:44:50.000 No, you only hear the snare drum and nothing else.

00:44:53.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 Oh, God.

00:44:54.000 And we're like, well, we can't figure out...

00:44:56.000 Some kind of cancellation is coming in where...

00:44:59.000 It's like Yoko Ono, though.

00:45:01.000 I mean, there's a market.

00:45:01.000 It may be that the sound is doubling up.

00:45:05.000 I'm not a sound engineer, but they could be canceling themselves out.

00:45:09.000 I think it's just the output matrix.

00:45:11.000 I've looked into it enough in the last two or three days.

00:45:14.000 That's the other thing, too.

00:45:16.000 We've tried doing...

00:45:17.000 There's a bunch of stuff we want to do with road shows.

00:45:20.000 It's so incredibly difficult to do.

00:45:22.000 I love those, but yeah, it's very hard to get everybody together to do one thing.

00:45:26.000 Super expensive.

00:45:28.000 We weren't able to get our election show going, so we've been planning for a year.

00:45:35.000 This is the 2024 election.

00:45:36.000 We need to have a big show up and running, and then if I'm not doing it, it doesn't happen.

00:45:39.000 Actually, I can explain everything.

00:45:41.000 If I don't do it, it doesn't happen.

00:45:42.000 Can I talk back on this?

00:45:45.000 I don't have anything to do with the technical terminology.

00:45:47.000 I only know what I can do. 0.96

00:45:49.000 But hearing you as myself, who's, you know, I used to super chat in like, Tim, you want to put a fucking TV? I already swore, it's whatever. 0.96

00:45:57.000 You want to put up a TV? I'll come down because I'm only two hours away.

00:46:01.000 I'll put the TV up for you.

00:46:04.000 I don't get that aspect.

00:46:06.000 When did we want to put, we got the big screen up at Freedom of Sam right now.

00:46:10.000 When did we first plan that?

00:46:11.000 It was beginning of June.

00:46:16.000 It's been four months.

00:46:18.000 To get a projector screen installed on the wall.

00:46:22.000 What?

00:46:23.000 Hold on.

00:46:23.000 I'll do it.

00:46:24.000 Yeah, but it's already done.

00:46:26.000 But the thing was, I gotta make some tweaks.

00:46:29.000 The thing was, I gave the information out to the managerial people.

00:46:35.000 I'm just saying, that's just how it was.

00:46:37.000 And then two months later, we're on IRL Live.

00:46:40.000 You're like, it's not up yet?

00:46:40.000 You haven't ordered it?

00:46:41.000 I'm like, no, sir, because I don't have no say in that matter.

00:46:43.000 And then...

00:46:43.000 We got it.

00:46:44.000 It was been up...

00:46:44.000 We got it, and it was up in three days after we got it.

00:46:47.000 But what about the speakers?

00:46:48.000 I don't...

00:46:49.000 Nobody told me about that.

00:46:50.000 This is just a thing, like...

00:46:51.000 I wouldn't do it.

00:46:53.000 The lifting required to make everything happen is like...

00:46:56.000 I have to go with a clipboard and be like, mush.

00:47:01.000 Well, put Raymond in charge, and you won't have to say mush anymore.

00:47:04.000 You know, with all due respect, though, I don't think...

00:47:06.000 And it's not personal.

00:47:07.000 I just think everyone feels that they could, and then they can't.

00:47:10.000 I've done it.

00:47:11.000 It's my history.

00:47:12.000 It's my job history.

00:47:12.000 It also feels personal.

00:47:13.000 You don't know my job history.

00:47:13.000 It feels personal.

00:47:15.000 It's you, Raymond!

00:47:16.000 No, no, but you don't...

00:47:17.000 You just think I'm a fan.

00:47:19.000 You don't know my previous jobs or what I've done in my life.

00:47:21.000 No, I believe you.

00:47:22.000 I'm just saying, like...

00:47:24.000 You wanted to get it done, and you handed off the paperwork and then didn't know what happened next.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, I waited.

00:47:29.000 Exactly.

00:47:30.000 It doesn't matter if you're in charge of it or not.

00:47:33.000 That happens unless I, with executive authority, go around to everybody and say, round it up!

00:47:38.000 Raymond said, buy the screen, buy the screen.

00:47:40.000 Which is why you said there has to be someone that's like CEO versus someone like yourself.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, that's why you need a managerial position, like you were saying.

00:47:44.000 Just exactly like you're saying, Tim.

00:47:46.000 You need someone in that spot.

00:47:48.000 Need a CEO. Yeah, who could be your second.

00:47:50.000 Yep.

00:47:51.000 Or third or whoever.

00:47:52.000 I don't know how the structure here works exactly.

00:47:54.000 That's, you know, the issue then becomes the...

00:47:58.000 So usually what happens for most companies like this is they'll take on strategic investment and then a guy in a suit shows up and that's exactly what we're talking about and then everyone says, wow, this company used to be fun.

00:48:09.000 And it's like, welcome to the real world.

00:48:12.000 We could go that route, I suppose, but...

00:48:15.000 I don't know.

00:48:16.000 You have to enjoy what you're doing.

00:48:18.000 If I'm making film or you're making...

00:48:20.000 I enjoy doing this.

00:48:22.000 You're skating, you enjoy doing this.

00:48:23.000 But yeah, there has to be a passion behind it, I think.

00:48:25.000 It's not so much that it used to be fun.

00:48:26.000 It's just like, you have to enjoy what you're doing.

00:48:28.000 If they're not enjoying what they're doing, there's a lot of people out there that would.

00:48:31.000 I mean, he does.

00:48:33.000 I love my job.

00:48:34.000 Yeah, I mean, there are people out there that are that hungry and they want it.

00:48:39.000 You know?

00:48:39.000 But people do get very complacent, I'll say, when, you know, they think that...

00:48:45.000 A lot of that.

00:48:46.000 Well, especially if you're trying to be a nice guy, you're trying to run a company, then you can get walked on, and then you let one thing slide, you might let another thing slide.

00:48:54.000 That's not on you, I do the same thing, and then eventually it snowballs, and then I'm like, okay, this is bad, you know...

00:48:59.000 You know, one of the challenges is...

00:49:01.000 I'm just saying that it's not fun.

00:49:03.000 What I was saying is, it's like, if everyone's doing 90% capacity, that's pretty dang good.

00:49:08.000 But that means 10% has to be...

00:49:10.000 For every 10% failure, it has to be picked up by me or Allison.

00:49:13.000 And we can't.

00:49:15.000 So, we can sell.

00:49:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:17.000 I can be like, oh, you guys want to keep IRL around?

00:49:18.000 Okay, well, who can I sell to?

00:49:20.000 I'm sure people would buy it.

00:49:22.000 Maybe.

00:49:23.000 You know, but maybe.

00:49:24.000 But do you want that?

00:49:25.000 Uh...

00:49:27.000 I would, you know...

00:49:29.000 Because now you have a boss.

00:49:32.000 Yeah.

00:49:33.000 Because I feel like right now you're...

00:49:34.000 That's yes with a but.

00:49:36.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 High-profile people and talent are known for their problematic behaviors for that reason.

00:49:43.000 Thank you, I'm blushing.

00:49:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:45.000 Right.

00:49:46.000 So it's like, at a certain level, there's a person who's your boss...

00:49:52.000 But they know that there's a difference between an employee who says, we're going to fire you, and a talent who says, we need you to stop sticking gun under the table during the show.

00:50:02.000 And then how do we manage the talent?

00:50:04.000 And so it's really a cooperative effort at the highest levels.

00:50:06.000 Of course.

00:50:07.000 So if I sold the show to somebody, it's, hey, I want you guys to run this, and we'll make this the best show and the biggest show ever, and we'll keep it going.

00:50:13.000 That would be absolutely fantastic.

00:50:15.000 And we're going to compromise with each other on that regard.

00:50:19.000 And it's a mutual respect for the person who runs a business and the person who runs a big successful show and makes it possible.

00:50:24.000 Right.

00:50:25.000 As for like, you know, some employee shows up and takes a dump on the floor, they say, get out, you're fired.

00:50:29.000 One of the challenges, I hear a lot of like, well, you got to get managers to go in there and start telling people like, do it or else.

00:50:29.000 Right.

00:50:36.000 And I'm like...

00:50:38.000 Yeah, I don't want to work at a company, or maybe it's just not possible to have a company where people are motivated by fear and don't want to be there.

00:50:45.000 I don't want that.

00:50:45.000 That's the worst kind of leadership.

00:50:47.000 But I think that's all companies.

00:50:49.000 No, no.

00:50:50.000 You don't have to...

00:50:51.000 Well, I guess it's always fear of getting fired, but...

00:50:53.000 I mean, Hitler was pretty successful. 1.00

00:50:55.000 You have a good leader who leads from the front.

00:50:56.000 People love that guy.

00:50:57.000 That was scary.

00:50:58.000 The Nazis terrifyingly worshipped a guy who was out of his...

00:51:02.000 Good thing we're not Germany and Nazi people. 0.94

00:51:06.000 So you're saying that I should cultify?

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 I'm saying you could learn a little from Hitler. 0.96

00:51:12.000 You don't have to take all of it.

00:51:14.000 Not the bad stuff?

00:51:16.000 Just the business acumen.

00:51:17.000 Oh, sure.

00:51:18.000 And maybe the meth if you're working 16 hour days.

00:51:21.000 Yeah, he was tweaking out, wasn't he?

00:51:22.000 I heard about that.

00:51:23.000 Oh, they were on everything.

00:51:25.000 Because everything was just legal in Germany.

00:51:26.000 I think it was recently discovered.

00:51:29.000 And so they're like, look at this thing that makes me feel good!

00:51:32.000 They're doing crazy drugs.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, acid and all that stuff.

00:51:34.000 It's the first time anyone's ever done it and they're just, okay, that's insane.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, it's like a video of him tweaking and he's like shaking back and forth or something.

00:51:39.000 He's like, you know what I should do? 0.73

00:51:41.000 I should kill a bunch, you know, so it's... 1.00

00:51:43.000 Well, when you're on drugs and your brain is fried, you know. 0.99

00:51:46.000 Yeah, you really don't know where to go and then you're like, they're all listening to me now.

00:51:50.000 I used to be a painter.

00:51:52.000 Look at all this confidence I have.

00:51:54.000 I used to be a painter.

00:51:57.000 I know of companies that were...

00:52:00.000 I mean, Vice was called a cult.

00:52:00.000 Well, I'll just say it.

00:52:02.000 Yeah.

00:52:03.000 The people there really didn't know what was going on outside.

00:52:06.000 It was kind of wild.

00:52:08.000 So I'll tell you a story.

00:52:12.000 So I left, and a buddy of mine- Were you under Gavin?

00:52:16.000 No, no, no.

00:52:17.000 I was gone by that point.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, he was gone.

00:52:19.000 Shane Saroosh and Eddie were in charge when I was there.

00:52:22.000 And, uh, nice guys.

00:52:23.000 You know, Shane's a real nice guy.

00:52:25.000 But, uh, I guess things didn't go very well for how he was running the show.

00:52:29.000 But, um, actually, I shouldn't speak.

00:52:31.000 I mean, he's got a new podcast.

00:52:32.000 He's probably still rich, so good for him.

00:52:34.000 But, um, what was I gonna say?

00:52:36.000 I totally forgot what I was gonna talk about.

00:52:37.000 Oh, the cult, right.

00:52:38.000 Yeah, the cult.

00:52:39.000 No, the cult.

00:52:39.000 So, uh, when I left, a buddy of mine was like...

00:52:43.000 He's like, I read the news every day.

00:52:45.000 So my buddy's like, I'm like, hey, how's it going, man?

00:52:47.000 How are things over there?

00:52:49.000 And I got him the job, actually.

00:52:51.000 And he's like, it's really great.

00:52:52.000 I'm super excited.

00:52:53.000 I'm going to be the lead for the news show on our new cable channel.

00:52:57.000 Because then I'm like, oh yeah, I heard that you guys got a cable channel.

00:52:58.000 It's really cool.

00:52:59.000 I was like, so are you going to move to Toronto?

00:53:00.000 And he goes, what?

00:53:03.000 And I said, you're going to be the news producer on the cable TV news show?

00:53:06.000 He said, yeah.

00:53:06.000 And I was like, oh, are you going to move to Toronto?

00:53:08.000 And he goes, no, why would I move to Toronto?

00:53:11.000 And I was like, because it's a Canadian cable channel.

00:53:14.000 And he was like, what do you mean?

00:53:16.000 And I was like, bro, it was a Rogers telecom deal.

00:53:19.000 Canada's, this was before Viceland.

00:53:20.000 I was like, they got a cable channel deal in Canada.

00:53:24.000 And he was like, what?

00:53:26.000 And I was like, I'm totally lost, bro.

00:53:28.000 Did you not know that?

00:53:29.000 And he's like, they just said we got a cable channel.

00:53:31.000 And I was like...

00:53:32.000 So what happened, and the story that I was told is that Shane has a State of the Union meeting, and he orders pizzas for everybody, and there's this big room where everyone's hanging out, and it's fun, because I had been in one, and he grabs the mic and he says, we did it.

00:53:45.000 We got our cable channel!

00:53:47.000 And they all cheer, and, uh...

00:53:50.000 He didn't say.

00:53:51.000 He didn't say Canada?

00:53:52.000 He didn't say Canadian cable channel.

00:53:53.000 And then...

00:53:55.000 Sorry.

00:53:57.000 It's just...

00:53:57.000 It's hilarious.

00:53:58.000 Masterfully done.

00:53:59.000 How about that?

00:54:00.000 And so here's my buddy thinking that he's going to be on cable TV in the United States.

00:54:04.000 And it's like, bro, you got 30 million households up in Canada.

00:54:06.000 Like...

00:54:07.000 I wasn't ragging on him.

00:54:08.000 You know, I was just like, oh, congratulations.

00:54:10.000 That sounds really cool.

00:54:11.000 Are you going to move to Toronto?

00:54:12.000 And then he was just like...

00:54:14.000 You should be more specific.

00:54:16.000 If it's just Toronto...

00:54:17.000 And that's the whole I'm buying pizza for you and everyone analogy.

00:54:21.000 There was an article written...

00:54:22.000 All you can afford is pizza.

00:54:23.000 It's a Canadian TV deal.

00:54:25.000 That's one...

00:54:26.000 There was an article written about Vice where it said it's a cult.

00:54:29.000 That people were willing to work there for free.

00:54:31.000 Really?

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:32.000 And they had a bunch of interns that effectively worked there for free.

00:54:35.000 And then the Supreme Court issued the ruling you can't have interns work for free.

00:54:39.000 They have to pay at least minimum wage.

00:54:42.000 And then that changed everything for them.

00:54:44.000 lot so the thing about New York media is that the people who work in these news organizations you might be wondering why they're all elitist snooty liberals it's because in order to get a job the New York Times you have to be able to work for free you want to get a job New York Times you intern Interning now is going to be like...

00:55:01.000 Let's say this.

00:55:03.000 Let's say the New York Times entry-level position is still only going to pay $48,000 or $50,000 in New York City.

00:55:08.000 Which is impossible.

00:55:09.000 Nothing, yeah.

00:55:09.000 Unless your parents are rich.

00:55:10.000 Well, yeah, which is a lot of...

00:55:11.000 And then if you come from a rich family and your family says, My daughter will be working at the New York Times.

00:55:16.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 Honey, we'll pay.

00:55:17.000 Your trust fund is fine.

00:55:19.000 We'll keep it replenished and we'll pay for your condo.

00:55:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:55:22.000 And then you end up with a lot of well-to-do liberals whose parents pay so they get a job at the New York Times.

00:55:28.000 Yeah, they've never experienced pain or anything in their life, and then they just are able to, you know, kiss up and continue the very, very exciting New York times.

00:55:37.000 That's right.

00:55:38.000 And you end up with a media apparatus in this country that is comprised of woke elitists.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, which is what it has been.

00:55:45.000 I mean, that really is what New York is in general.

00:55:48.000 I mean, there's a lot of the comics, too, where it's like, well, of course this person doesn't work the road or try that hard.

00:55:52.000 They have a trust fund.

00:55:54.000 This is just something.

00:55:55.000 Yeah.

00:55:55.000 Their parents are like, hey, just don't OD. That'll be great.

00:55:58.000 Because most of our family, we're just so rich, we OD. That's all we do.

00:56:02.000 And that's the crazy thing, too, because we talked about this a little bit before the show.

00:56:05.000 I've complained about it a lot.

00:56:07.000 Like, what do all these rich people do with their money?

00:56:09.000 Drugs, a lot.

00:56:10.000 But, I mean, right now, I don't know what they're investing in.

00:56:13.000 Elon Musk is giving a million dollars to people to be spokespeople persons for the Save America PAC or whatever.

00:56:21.000 I saw that.

00:56:21.000 I keep entering...

00:56:23.000 You've registered to vote in Pennsylvania?

00:56:25.000 Michigan, I'm wondering if you do, because that's a swing state.

00:56:28.000 I don't know what the deal is other than he said that if you're a registered voter who signed his petition and you're in Pennsylvania, you could be selected to receive a million dollars.

00:56:35.000 Yes.

00:56:36.000 And the left is saying it's illegal.

00:56:39.000 What Elon is doing is hiring people as contract spokespersons for the PAC. The reason to sign a petition is he wants to know you believe in free speech and you'll stand for this.

00:56:48.000 I saw that.

00:56:48.000 Then he's going to pay you to be a regular American who's promoting these values.

00:56:52.000 Yeah.

00:56:52.000 Yeah, I don't see any legal challenge with that.

00:56:54.000 I'm sure he talked to his lawyers about it.

00:56:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:56.000 I mean, chances are he's got a few good ones on staff and being the richest man on earth.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, I think he's doing fine.

00:57:02.000 Just a couple of them.

00:57:03.000 Yeah.

00:57:04.000 But that's the question I have is like, there's a lot of people I know who, especially they do big shows, like, what are they doing with their money?

00:57:10.000 I don't know.

00:57:11.000 I would retire.

00:57:13.000 I just wasn't responsible with it for a while.

00:57:16.000 I don't think retirement is real.

00:57:17.000 No, I don't think it is anymore.

00:57:19.000 If you care about the country, you're not going to retire.

00:57:22.000 I care more about me.

00:57:25.000 I think of the word retire, I see a white blank space.

00:57:27.000 People that retire end up dying five or six years later because they lost all their purpose in life.

00:57:32.000 People need something to live for, man.

00:57:33.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:57:34.000 I don't really want to retire.

00:57:36.000 What do people do all day?

00:57:37.000 I can't imagine sitting around and watching TV or just going on a...

00:57:40.000 Oh, jeez.

00:57:41.000 Going on a boat or something.

00:57:43.000 I can see that.

00:57:43.000 Or shooting guns.

00:57:44.000 Or going on a quad.

00:57:45.000 I don't know.

00:57:46.000 Depression keeps me in bed until five anyway.

00:57:48.000 Wow.

00:57:49.000 There you go.

00:57:50.000 See?

00:57:51.000 See, that's the thing.

00:57:52.000 Once I get out and I decide to not unalive myself, I'm a real go-getter.

00:57:57.000 I'm getting up every day and saying, how can I do more?

00:58:00.000 What am I not doing effectively?

00:58:02.000 And at a certain point, I'm Sisyphus pushing up a rock with a bunch of people sitting on it.

00:58:06.000 Yeah, because they don't have that same attitude.

00:58:09.000 They don't have that same passion.

00:58:09.000 And I'm not trying to disrespect people sitting on the rock.

00:58:12.000 Well, yeah, if they're sitting on the rock, you want to...

00:58:15.000 They should at least tell you where the rock's going or, you know, maybe they're not pushing it, but they should do something.

00:58:20.000 There is a hill if you keep going.

00:58:21.000 I'm like, that's not true because I'm Sisyphus.

00:58:24.000 That's a fine push.

00:58:25.000 You had this issue like a year ago, I think, because we, the whole, I remember I super chatted like, yo, you're not the only one pushing up the hill because I was just a fan at the time.

00:58:34.000 You know, and that I'm here in person.

00:58:35.000 But yeah, I guess it's been an overlaying concept in your brain for a minute now?

00:58:40.000 I think that we, as a company, lack the talent and managerial capabilities to maintain this show.

00:58:45.000 That's it.

00:58:45.000 It's real simple.

00:58:47.000 Like, if the studio's been failing...

00:58:50.000 So, two years, we can't get a coffee shop built.

00:58:53.000 That doesn't do the show, though.

00:58:54.000 No, no, it's the company.

00:58:55.000 And then we have to just...

00:58:57.000 So that's why I was saying one of the options was skeleton crew, Timcast IRL, and wind it all down.

00:59:02.000 But you've got a skate park.

00:59:04.000 Indeed.

00:59:05.000 And that's why it's like, I don't know what to do with it.

00:59:07.000 You could sell coffee.

00:59:09.000 I do sell coffee.

00:59:10.000 Coffee sales are really good.

00:59:11.000 People buy coffee a lot.

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 You mean like the actual brick and mortar is what you want?

00:59:15.000 Right.

00:59:16.000 We sell coffee through the show.

00:59:18.000 I know that, but like, are you referring to like an actual, you just mean a brick and mortar shop.

00:59:22.000 Yeah, we have an old school historic building in Martinsburg, West Virginia.

00:59:24.000 Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. 0.99

00:59:25.000 It's been a pain in the ass. 0.99

00:59:26.000 It's been unable to set up. 0.99

00:59:28.000 We've gone through so many contractors who've ripped us off.

00:59:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:32.000 They're good at that.

00:59:33.000 Right.

00:59:33.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 And so it's just...

00:59:34.000 Also, supplies are, what, four times now what they were just a couple years ago?

00:59:39.000 It's getting crazy.

00:59:39.000 It's crazy.

00:59:40.000 But, yeah, I think the simple way to put it is we lack the talent and managerial capability to maintain this show.

00:59:40.000 Yeah.

00:59:46.000 It exists along with all the other projects, only succeed if I'm the one directly in charge of it.

00:59:52.000 So, I come in, we've got two people who do booking, we've got two people who drive guests, and IRL functions.

01:00:02.000 Our studio has been failing.

01:00:04.000 We built a new studio, and the computer's been failing consistently over the past few weeks, and we lack the capability to have anybody with...

01:00:10.000 There's no initiative, nor interest, nor talent to complete the job to make sure the studio operates.

01:00:15.000 If that's where we're currently at, I've gotta just shut it all down.

01:00:19.000 Because that's like...

01:00:22.000 If I can't film myself, I don't have a company.

01:00:25.000 If I rely on other people to run these things and I wake up in the morning and I can't complain about the Democrats insulting Donald Trump working at McDonald's, I'm sitting here being like, I'm looking at all of these posts and people are saying things and I'm like, no, you got that wrong because this article says this.

01:00:42.000 I can tweet about it.

01:00:44.000 That's not the same thing.

01:00:45.000 It's not the same thing.

01:00:46.000 So then I'm like, okay, should I go right now and just build a new studio?

01:00:51.000 I've got computers and microphones.

01:00:52.000 I could just do it myself.

01:00:54.000 And I'm like, well, we're not doing IRL if that's the case.

01:00:57.000 There's no way I'm going to...

01:00:58.000 And I can't do boonies if that's the case.

01:01:00.000 So none of this is going to...

01:01:02.000 None of this exists.

01:01:03.000 And it's like...

01:01:04.000 You know, we had the Cartier family on.

01:01:07.000 Yeah, they were.

01:01:07.000 Those guys are awesome.

01:01:08.000 On Friday, computer crashed next stream.

01:01:10.000 Computer crashed right in the middle of the show.

01:01:12.000 Wait, I missed that.

01:01:13.000 I heard about it afterwards.

01:01:13.000 Shut down for 15 minutes.

01:01:15.000 And I'm just like, that's amazing.

01:01:16.000 Like, we've got a big, we've got a decent company here with a lot of employees, and we've consistently been in, like, the studio's failing.

01:01:23.000 And which one's Cartier?

01:01:25.000 Cartier.

01:01:26.000 Cartier.

01:01:27.000 Yeah, it's these four black dudes who were, like, doing reaction videos.

01:01:31.000 I saw that.

01:01:31.000 Okay, okay, I saw that.

01:01:32.000 Now they're Trump supporters.

01:01:34.000 Those guys are super awesome.

01:01:35.000 They're really cool.

01:01:35.000 All day, they're super, super cool guys.

01:01:37.000 Okay, yeah, I didn't know that was the name of the family.

01:01:39.000 I thought of a Blood Diamond company for some reason.

01:01:42.000 Cartier?

01:01:43.000 Cartier?

01:01:43.000 No, that's the watch.

01:01:45.000 Cartier's a watch.

01:01:46.000 Yeah, De Beers is the one you are seeking legal liability.

01:01:50.000 Oh, I mean, allegedly are a blood diamond company.

01:01:54.000 But if you want me to pitch you on my show, I will.

01:01:58.000 I'll be like, let me make the best blood diamonds that a man can buy a lady. 1.00

01:02:02.000 They make them fake now, do you know that?

01:02:03.000 Yeah, they grow them in lab. 0.97

01:02:04.000 A lot of them.

01:02:05.000 They're growing them now.

01:02:06.000 It's like neon gas or something over, like, they take a tiny piece of diamond and then they blast it with the gas and it bonds and starts forming diamond.

01:02:16.000 Isn't that cubic zircony, though?

01:02:18.000 No, no, no, it's actual diamond.

01:02:19.000 These are real diamonds.

01:02:20.000 It's a grown diamond.

01:02:21.000 Yeah, they grow it in, like, a chamber or something.

01:02:24.000 I think it's neon gas.

01:02:25.000 I'm not sure.

01:02:26.000 I read an article ten years ago and I vaguely remember something.

01:02:31.000 Yeah, no, they killed a lot of people for the diamonds.

01:02:33.000 Oh, sure.

01:02:34.000 Yeah, so I mean, so I hear.

01:02:35.000 Not that company, of course.

01:02:36.000 Yeah.

01:02:37.000 Allegedly.

01:02:38.000 The chair just broke.

01:02:40.000 The chair just broke.

01:02:40.000 You're just falling apart right and left here, Tim.

01:02:42.000 You see what's going on?

01:02:42.000 I'm a little nervous talking to Tim about what's going on.

01:02:45.000 I'm trying to figure out what's going on and how I can help.

01:02:47.000 And I didn't know I was going to be here pleading my case to help keep Tim Cass going.

01:02:51.000 I think it's like you got a boat with a bunch of holes in it.

01:02:55.000 I got 10 figures.

01:02:56.000 You're a fan, though.

01:02:57.000 What do you think?

01:02:58.000 If you don't mind me.

01:03:00.000 And I'm also an employee.

01:03:01.000 Oh, I think we sell it or shut it down.

01:03:05.000 Sell it or shut it down?

01:03:06.000 One or the other.

01:03:08.000 One or the other.

01:03:09.000 Are you open to having someone inside or not like a CEO, but someone coming to clog those holes up for you?

01:03:22.000 I don't know.

01:03:23.000 I'll hurt people for money.

01:03:25.000 That's something you should think about.

01:03:27.000 No, you won't.

01:03:28.000 No, I'm nice.

01:03:31.000 Cars can be weapons.

01:03:32.000 I'm glad you put May, real quick.

01:03:35.000 I'm glad you put May, because I think we can salvage.

01:03:38.000 I don't think there'll be a show tomorrow.

01:03:40.000 Yeah, we need some time to work it out.

01:03:43.000 We've got to have some meetings, some team meetings, which we should do.

01:03:46.000 Pizza.

01:03:47.000 I don't know.

01:03:48.000 I think likely this is the last week.

01:03:52.000 But then you still have your show, though.

01:03:54.000 Yeah, I got my morning show.

01:03:55.000 Morning show, yeah.

01:03:56.000 Yeah, so I'm going to take the components that we have.

01:03:59.000 We have millions and millions in equipment.

01:04:02.000 Jesus, yes we do.

01:04:03.000 Probably close to that.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, so it's like if a studio breaks and I can't do the show, I'm just like, well, this company is dysfunctional.

01:04:10.000 We make a lot of money.

01:04:12.000 Like, money's good, but it kind of feels like we're spending money to spin our wheels if we've got this much equipment, all these really great cameras.

01:04:20.000 There's even cameras over here.

01:04:22.000 Which one is that?

01:04:22.000 Is that a red?

01:04:22.000 That's not a red, is it?

01:04:23.000 No, those are the Blackmagic cameras I brought from the studio.

01:04:25.000 What is that?

01:04:26.000 Dude, we got a brand new one in the room next door.

01:04:28.000 We just upgraded our mobile cameras to A6s.

01:04:33.000 FX30s.

01:04:33.000 The same ones we use in the studio right now.

01:04:34.000 What is the whole deal over there?

01:04:36.000 This is Richie's.

01:04:37.000 Richie Jackson's.

01:04:38.000 I don't know if we can see it.

01:04:39.000 The possible future boonies.

01:04:40.000 There you go.

01:04:40.000 You can kind of see it in the shot, everyone.

01:04:42.000 No, I'm just curious. 0.97

01:04:42.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 0.97

01:04:43.000 That is very gold. 0.96

01:04:44.000 It looks like a furniture store in a mall that's...

01:04:47.000 That was Liberty.

01:04:48.000 Can you get a camera shot of that?

01:04:49.000 Yeah, I got a little shot working here.

01:04:51.000 Look at this.

01:04:52.000 That's so good looking.

01:04:53.000 It looks like every house I've ever been in in Dearborn, Michigan.

01:04:56.000 I think, you know, look, we wanted to launch other shows and make other properties, and some of them do decently well and some don't, but I think the issue is just like, This is probably pushing the limit of what I as a CEO and host can accomplish on my own.

01:05:18.000 And so that means we bring in external management, which would be a strategic investment, partial buyout, and then you'll end up with another company running everything.

01:05:26.000 Okay.

01:05:26.000 Pretty much.

01:05:27.000 Yeah.

01:05:28.000 I hate that sound.

01:05:29.000 I don't like it.

01:05:30.000 I think just...

01:05:31.000 And then what happens is...

01:05:33.000 I can lead people.

01:05:34.000 I've led many people.

01:05:34.000 Throw me!

01:05:36.000 A guy in a suit shows up.

01:05:39.000 I just think the cost is too much.

01:05:40.000 I think there's no way around it.

01:05:43.000 We've got to shut everything down.

01:05:44.000 And if we wanted to salvage IRL, we've got to get it back down to two employees.

01:05:49.000 Are you on the spectrum?

01:05:50.000 And I don't mean that as a negative.

01:05:52.000 I would believe the answer is no.

01:05:55.000 Okay.

01:05:55.000 Because you're very, very, like, yeah, like very direct.

01:05:59.000 Yeah, my friend Matt McClawry is a...

01:06:00.000 I think that's exasperation, not autism.

01:06:03.000 Okay.

01:06:03.000 Well, maybe that's true.

01:06:04.000 Maybe...

01:06:06.000 Because we've not talked about this stuff on the show before.

01:06:08.000 Oh, you've never done it.

01:06:09.000 Okay.

01:06:09.000 Yeah, like I've never come on and be like, I think I'm going to end the show.

01:06:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:12.000 This is our first.

01:06:13.000 Well, you have a couple times to me.

01:06:15.000 You've been in some dark holes.

01:06:17.000 Like I said, like a year ago, you had like a whole week of where you were like in the down and dumps and everyone was like, don't give up to me.

01:06:22.000 That's when you're talking about picking up the rock up the hill.

01:06:24.000 Yeah.

01:06:25.000 That was like at least a year ago.

01:06:27.000 It's a compliment.

01:06:28.000 I mean, my friend Matt's like that.

01:06:30.000 That's what I'm wondering.

01:06:31.000 Like maybe it's just something that like...

01:06:32.000 It's not the first time someone's asked me if I was on the spectrum or whatever.

01:06:35.000 And I was like, why do you say that?

01:06:37.000 And they're like, well, it's because you're very focused.

01:06:40.000 Well, yeah, it's not like, hey, you're eating crams.

01:06:42.000 No, but I'm like, is the implication that your average person who is not on the spectrum is incapable of being a CEO? You have to be autistic in order to be a successful business. 0.99

01:06:52.000 I think you have to be kind of a sociopath at times. 0.94

01:06:55.000 But I'm just saying a lot of people that are in leadership positions, there is a...

01:07:00.000 I'm a sociopath kind of narcissism, like a little bit.

01:07:03.000 Otherwise, I don't think that anybody can be successful.

01:07:06.000 I'm a comic, you're a YouTuber, let's be honest, there's some narcissism in the room, whether you want to admit it or not.

01:07:10.000 Oh, this whole show is like, I think people should hear what I have to say.

01:07:14.000 He's complaining on the internet.

01:07:15.000 We can admit that it's there, but I think...

01:07:17.000 My passion is that I feel strongly and I think other people need to hear what I have to say.

01:07:20.000 Yeah, this whole thing is...

01:07:22.000 And that's what you built.

01:07:24.000 Successfully built on you need to listen to it.

01:07:26.000 But I gotta be honest, I don't think it's narcissism if you're right.

01:07:31.000 Okay.

01:07:32.000 I'm only half kidding.

01:07:32.000 I mean, yeah.

01:07:34.000 No, I got you.

01:07:34.000 You know, it's like, people should hear what I have to say, and they liked it.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, so clearly.

01:07:38.000 I was correct.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, so spot on.

01:07:40.000 It was logic, not arrogance.

01:07:42.000 Yes.

01:07:43.000 No, but I... A lot of ranting, too, did well.

01:07:46.000 But I think, like, serial killers and some CEOs kind of test on the same sociopath levels.

01:07:46.000 People love the ranting.

01:07:52.000 It's just very hard to murder a lot of people these days with all the ring cameras.

01:07:56.000 No, actually, the CEOs are probably bigger.

01:07:59.000 There may be CEOs that are bigger serial killers than serial killers if their means of killing is through circuitous methods.

01:08:05.000 And I'm not kidding.

01:08:06.000 I know you're not.

01:08:07.000 I'm not either.

01:08:09.000 Yeah, there may be a CEO who's like, if I introduce this product, we can see 3,000 deaths per year, and they start laughing about it.

01:08:16.000 Well, I mean, there are people that actually have those jobs where they have to decide how many people die or do we get the airbags fixed.

01:08:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:22.000 That's crazy.

01:08:22.000 Right?

01:08:23.000 Yeah, that's a rough job.

01:08:24.000 Fight Club.

01:08:25.000 Fight Club is when he does the equation.

01:08:26.000 If the cost of a lawsuit is less than the cost of the recall, they don't recall.

01:08:34.000 Yep.

01:08:35.000 And that's just insane.

01:08:36.000 They have to make that choice.

01:08:37.000 They're like, I guess this baby seat's flimsy.

01:08:40.000 Yep.

01:08:41.000 That's wild, man.

01:08:42.000 Yeah, dude, it's crazy, but somebody's got to do that job.

01:08:45.000 See, they're doing their job, so somebody here can make sure a computer works for you.

01:08:51.000 So like, let me grab a sewage head here real quick so I can help you.

01:08:54.000 So Blake says, bro, why do you keep saying you make so much money but then refuse to hire some people like IT? We have IT people.

01:09:02.000 It's because the answer isn't spending money.

01:09:06.000 Money is never the answer.

01:09:08.000 You know, I've met a lot of people in my day who say things like, if only I had money, I could do X. And I'm like, that is not true for literally any successful person.

01:09:17.000 Successful people got hired or got their jobs because they were doing something already.

01:09:21.000 So, like, my first YouTube video, for the first three months of me making YouTube, I was losing money.

01:09:26.000 And I was like, I don't know.

01:09:27.000 What else am I going to do?

01:09:28.000 I'm like, kind of bored.

01:09:29.000 Let me record a video.

01:09:30.000 And then I recorded some videos.

01:09:32.000 The views started to go up.

01:09:34.000 And I did the last night in Sweden thing.

01:09:38.000 And that was like a few months in and I had one big hit and I was like, I'm in Sweden.

01:09:41.000 Now I'm getting a bunch of views and that generated a bunch of buzz.

01:09:45.000 And then once I got back, I was finally making like two grand a month or something like that.

01:09:48.000 And I was like, hey, look at this.

01:09:49.000 I'm not losing money anymore.

01:09:51.000 My savings is no longer burning up.

01:09:53.000 And then I was like, let's just make more videos and see what I can do.

01:09:56.000 And I was doing for like, I don't know, like a year.

01:09:58.000 It was probably just one 10 minute video every day at 4 p.m.

01:10:01.000 That was it.

01:10:02.000 That's all it was.

01:10:03.000 And I was probably making like $60,000, $70,000 a year.

01:10:06.000 Just doing one 10-minute video?

01:10:07.000 Yep.

01:10:08.000 One 10-minute video.

01:10:09.000 And it started to go up.

01:10:10.000 And then I remember off of one 10-minute video, I was in Jersey.

01:10:14.000 I was in Bayonne.

01:10:15.000 And I hit six figures.

01:10:17.000 And when I was working at Disney, I was getting paid a bit.

01:10:21.000 They paid me a lot of money.

01:10:22.000 What did you do at Disney?

01:10:23.000 Why didn't I know this?

01:10:23.000 So it was Fusion.

01:10:24.000 It was ABC News, Univision, Joint Venture.

01:10:26.000 Oh, gotcha.

01:10:26.000 Okay.

01:10:26.000 Yeah, and I was one of their senior talent.

01:10:28.000 And that was a ridiculous company.

01:10:31.000 So when I left, I'm like, I've got a lot saved. 0.86

01:10:33.000 I had a couple hundred thousand dollars that I had saved getting paid all this money from this company.

01:10:37.000 I basically saved all my money always.

01:10:39.000 Worked at Vice, saved it all.

01:10:40.000 Then went to Fusion, saved it all.

01:10:41.000 And when I left, I was like, okay, so several months, the money's just going down.

01:10:45.000 And I'm like, I'm sitting there thinking like, man, if I don't turn this around...

01:10:50.000 If I use this money only right now to live, maybe I can stretch it out for four years.

01:10:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:55.000 And then try and find ways to make money. 0.51

01:10:57.000 If I invest and try and go the media route, I'm burned out in a year because flights, hotels.

01:11:02.000 And then after the Sweden thing, I was net positive like two grand every month.

01:11:06.000 And then I think it was about a year after that, I looked.

01:11:09.000 It was back when full screen was around.

01:11:11.000 And they showed the daily amount of revenue every day.

01:11:14.000 And I saw that it was like 50 bucks a day. 0.90

01:11:16.000 And I was like, holy crap, I'm getting 50 bucks a day.

01:11:18.000 Yeah. 0.90

01:11:19.000 As long as I don't spend 50 bucks a day, I'm making money.

01:11:22.000 And I just did it because I wanted to do it.

01:11:25.000 And then what happened was a lot of people were creating secondary channels in case they got the first one banned, which is stupid because it still breaks the rules.

01:11:31.000 Yeah.

01:11:32.000 So I made Timcast News.

01:11:34.000 YouTube chose the name too.

01:11:36.000 Oh yeah?

01:11:36.000 Well, so...

01:11:39.000 I had a Google Plus page or something and then it turned it into...

01:11:43.000 I don't know.

01:11:44.000 That's why YouTube.com slash TimCast says Tim Pool and YouTube.com slash TimCast News says TimCast.

01:11:49.000 Right, your news is your 4 p.m.

01:11:51.000 and your pool is your 1 and 9 or 10.

01:11:54.000 The pool was the 4 p.m.

01:11:55.000 Oh, the pool is the 4 p.m.

01:11:56.000 anymore, right?

01:11:57.000 Yeah, I do.

01:11:57.000 Yeah, I do the morning show.

01:11:58.000 Oh, right.

01:11:59.000 Cultural, right? 0.78

01:12:00.000 You mean like going out on the ground.

01:12:01.000 Correct.

01:12:02.000 Yeah, it's impossible.

01:12:03.000 People were screaming in my face.

01:12:05.000 People would find the live stream and run up and start dancing and be like, look at me, look at me.

01:12:08.000 And they'd be like, I'm on Twitter.

01:12:10.000 You can't do it.

01:12:12.000 So I created a secondary channel.

01:12:16.000 And then I was like, maybe I'll just play like a Hearthstone.

01:12:17.000 Like I like Hearthstone.

01:12:18.000 I'll play Hearthstone videos.

01:12:19.000 And I made a video, got like 3,000 views.

01:12:21.000 And then I was like, no, that was, oh, I know.

01:12:23.000 I'm going to make fun of Don Lemon.

01:12:24.000 So I made a video making fun of Don Lemon.

01:12:26.000 And it got a few thousand views.

01:12:27.000 Why?

01:12:27.000 And it was fun because he said the Malaysian airline may have been swallowed by a black hole.

01:12:33.000 Which, as we know today, by that one guy on Twitter, maybe might have been with the little Sorklin.

01:12:39.000 That's right, yeah.

01:12:40.000 You never know.

01:12:41.000 Is that true?

01:12:42.000 I don't know.

01:12:43.000 No, it's not.

01:12:43.000 Did they find it?

01:12:46.000 They found parts.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, I thought they found parts of it.

01:12:48.000 That's the thing, when something goes missing, you never find the whole thing.

01:12:51.000 That's right.

01:12:52.000 That's even if it's like a kid.

01:12:54.000 Stop! 1.00

01:12:56.000 I don't know why I said that.

01:13:01.000 Look, you just need enough for closure is all I'm saying.

01:13:04.000 Right, right, like a shirt.

01:13:05.000 Right, like a shirt.

01:13:06.000 Or a fuselage.

01:13:07.000 Yes.

01:13:08.000 Yeah, but anyway, I just decided I'll make a couple of extra clips.

01:13:13.000 There are a few stories I saw today that I thought were fun, but I didn't have enough to actually make a full thing on.

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 And then all of a sudden, like within like a week, I was getting 50 to 100,000 on each of them.

01:13:21.000 And I was like, holy crap. 0.98

01:13:23.000 That's nuts. 0.93

01:13:23.000 And so I was like, I'm gonna make more of these. 0.93

01:13:25.000 On each video?

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:25.000 50 to 100,000 views.

01:13:27.000 Okay.

01:13:28.000 Yeah, I wish it died.

01:13:28.000 I was going to say on a video, I'm like, what?

01:13:30.000 No, no, no.

01:13:31.000 I'd join an OnlyFans.

01:13:32.000 No, they were like, it was like 100, 200 bucks.

01:13:34.000 And then I was like, yo, this is wild.

01:13:35.000 What happened?

01:13:36.000 And so I started making five videos on my second channel and one on the main channel.

01:13:40.000 And I was getting like...

01:13:42.000 Holy crap, by the beginning of maybe like 2019 or whatever was when I not became a millionaire, but when the amount of money I made for the month officially hit, if I keep doing this, I'm a millionaire.

01:13:53.000 Yeah.

01:13:54.000 Nice.

01:13:54.000 It was wild.

01:13:55.000 And then Joe Rogan calls me out, invites me on his show.

01:14:00.000 Is he a podcaster?

01:14:02.000 He might be.

01:14:04.000 Okay.

01:14:04.000 I thought you were serious for a second there.

01:14:05.000 No, dude.

01:14:07.000 May I ask a question in that aspect?

01:14:09.000 Was your first video the one you talked about the Twitter people, or was it the first video when you talked about war and you covering war all the time?

01:14:18.000 What do you mean?

01:14:18.000 First video with what?

01:14:19.000 You had two Joe Rogan videos.

01:14:20.000 At the time?

01:14:21.000 But the first one I seen was...

01:14:23.000 I think there's four now.

01:14:23.000 You were talking about Ghana and a bunch of war and stuff going on.

01:14:27.000 I never seen the Twitter one when I first started watching it.

01:14:29.000 I just heard you on the Wall Street thing.

01:14:31.000 That was pre-Rogan.

01:14:34.000 Oh, way pre-Rogan.

01:14:35.000 That was before Vice.

01:14:36.000 Yeah.

01:14:36.000 And then after Wall Street, I did a year of just like covering protests and doing social media.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, I forget what year it was.

01:14:42.000 Then I joined Vice.

01:14:42.000 Yeah.

01:14:43.000 Yeah, I was like, I was on the verge.

01:14:45.000 So I had three deals set up.

01:14:47.000 It was Vice, Google, and Al Jazeera.

01:14:48.000 Gotcha.

01:14:49.000 And then...

01:14:50.000 Oh, you were Al Jazeera.

01:14:51.000 Well, so they offered me a social media manager.

01:14:53.000 Is that where they film those?

01:14:55.000 No, no.

01:14:56.000 I like it.

01:14:58.000 That's more Persian, I think.

01:15:00.000 Yeah, that is Persian.

01:15:01.000 You know what?

01:15:01.000 It is Persian.

01:15:02.000 Yeah.

01:15:03.000 It comes with a white BMW. Is that where they drive?

01:15:07.000 Yes, it is.

01:15:08.000 All right.

01:15:10.000 Yeah, but I don't know.

01:15:11.000 Anyway.

01:15:13.000 No offense to Persia.

01:15:13.000 It's a nice car.

01:15:14.000 No, yeah.

01:15:15.000 You just don't all have to have one.

01:15:16.000 I'm not insulting Persians.

01:15:17.000 It does look like...

01:15:18.000 No, it looks fancy.

01:15:20.000 It looks like what you see in an Iranian consulate.

01:15:23.000 Oh, for sure.

01:15:24.000 Yeah, like you definitely... 0.96

01:15:25.000 A lady would be sitting there well-draped. 1.00

01:15:28.000 Well, not a consulate. 0.99

01:15:29.000 It would be a man well-draped. 0.97

01:15:30.000 Oh, that's true. 0.99

01:15:31.000 Wearing white.

01:15:32.000 Yeah.

01:15:33.000 I think, actually.

01:15:34.000 I'm not sure about Iran.

01:15:35.000 I don't know.

01:15:36.000 I've never been.

01:15:37.000 Yeah.

01:15:38.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:15:39.000 Anyway, long story short, IRL was an accident.

01:15:41.000 Here we are.

01:15:42.000 It grew and grew and grew.

01:15:43.000 It's a heavy lift.

01:15:45.000 It requires a lot of work.

01:15:47.000 Yeah, I just think maybe it's too much.

01:15:52.000 Maybe I do the morning show and don't have to worry about it.

01:15:54.000 That's crazy.

01:15:55.000 I mean, I remember I watched you probably 2018, 2019 when you were doing those single videos by yourself.

01:15:59.000 And then I think I like messaged you saying the sound was messed up.

01:16:03.000 So people in the chat, I've been there before.

01:16:05.000 And then I think you responded to me and said, yeah, come and fly out.

01:16:07.000 I flew out.

01:16:07.000 I fixed it one time.

01:16:08.000 Didn't take the job at first.

01:16:10.000 Came back later on and then eventually came on the team.

01:16:12.000 So I never thought I'd be here, especially seeing this happen right now, which is crazy.

01:16:15.000 I mean, you built it all.

01:16:16.000 Do you want to really get rid of it?

01:16:18.000 I mean...

01:16:19.000 I mean, I shouldn't say that.

01:16:20.000 Streamline it.

01:16:21.000 So that's like, imagine if Sisyphus pushed a snowball up a hill.

01:16:25.000 Eventually the snowball's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and now he's holding this gigantic boulder and he's pushing it more.

01:16:29.000 If you believe in science.

01:16:31.000 And it's like, hey, you've got this massive boulder.

01:16:34.000 You sure you want to just let it roll down the hill?

01:16:35.000 And it's like, well, you know...

01:16:37.000 It hurts.

01:16:37.000 I don't know.

01:16:38.000 Yeah, it hurts.

01:16:39.000 I'm struggling with this thing.

01:16:40.000 I'd like to get out of the way before it falls on me.

01:16:42.000 I get that.

01:16:43.000 But it seems like you're profitable.

01:16:45.000 Well, yeah, I mean...

01:16:49.000 Very.

01:16:49.000 So that's how we have ancillary investment.

01:16:52.000 That's how we're doing these other shows.

01:16:54.000 But I can't manage them and I can't succeed unless they have a CEO managing them.

01:16:58.000 So it's like, I'm not going to be able to do IRL, the morning show, and manage outside investments.

01:17:05.000 And so at this point, it's kind of like...

01:17:07.000 You need a bad guy.

01:17:09.000 That's what I was saying.

01:17:10.000 One option is selling.

01:17:13.000 Sell the show to somebody.

01:17:14.000 We've talked about it before.

01:17:16.000 It's like, yeah, but then what happens?

01:17:17.000 Like, what are the requirements of a sale?

01:17:19.000 What does that mean for the show?

01:17:21.000 Maybe there's someone we know and trust and we're comfortable with running it and operating it.

01:17:26.000 Or it's just like...

01:17:28.000 The question of keeping everything going is, do I have an obligation to everyone else?

01:17:35.000 I mean, I'd ask your fans.

01:17:37.000 I mean, for the people, more for the viewers, you have more obligation to the viewers than you do have anyone working here, in my own opinion.

01:17:45.000 But it is your life.

01:17:46.000 Right.

01:17:48.000 And if you're not living your life right now...

01:17:50.000 No, he's right.

01:17:51.000 I was going to say, more to the fans than anyone else, but you are your own person. 1.00

01:17:55.000 You should do what the fuck you want. 0.99

01:17:56.000 What are we here to do on this earth? 1.00

01:17:59.000 You know, this is a dance.

01:18:01.000 Stop commies. 1.00

01:18:02.000 Well, if the answer was be happy, then I quit everything and I go sell lemonade.

01:18:07.000 Oh, I got it.

01:18:07.000 I got it.

01:18:08.000 To plant the tree that others can see a shade of.

01:18:11.000 Well, that's a good answer.

01:18:12.000 To make a better future.

01:18:13.000 Is it duty to others for the success of mankind?

01:18:15.000 Someone's gonna chop down your tree. 0.95

01:18:17.000 Well, they can steal your lemons. 1.00

01:18:20.000 That was an apple tree.

01:18:21.000 Someone's going to kick over your lemonade stand. 1.00

01:18:24.000 They're going to get their lemonade from China.

01:18:27.000 You're going to be priced out.

01:18:28.000 That's another thing people don't realize.

01:18:31.000 You want to learn about evil.

01:18:34.000 You just get fame.

01:18:36.000 It's a lot harder to see the evil when you're closer to the ground.

01:18:40.000 And I don't mean that disrespectfully to the average person who just lives their life.

01:18:43.000 But wow, the higher you climb, the more evil.

01:18:46.000 So when you're close to Earth and you're on the ground, evil overlooks you because you don't matter at all.

01:18:53.000 Sometimes evil will target an innocent person and just kill them in the street, things like that, right?

01:18:56.000 But for the most part, there are a lot of people who you may encounter a demon, I mean figuratively, on the street and they'll say nice things to you and they'll pass you by.

01:19:03.000 But once you're climbing atop the tower and the demons all start seeing you and screaming like banshees throwing knives at you and tearing you down...

01:19:12.000 It's pretty wild.

01:19:13.000 It's a good analogy.

01:19:13.000 Well, that's, you know, I mean, and I've heard that too.

01:19:16.000 I think it's a Denzel Washington AI, but I mean, it is true that it's like once you hit to a certain point, there's a reason why somebody's going after you.

01:19:24.000 It's because they want something.

01:19:25.000 I mean, obviously. 1.00

01:19:26.000 Or they just hate you and they're disgusting people. 0.98

01:19:29.000 Which are a lot of people, unfortunately, but that's what sucks about any level of fame. 0.97

01:19:33.000 And it's like, they will come after you and they do hate you.

01:19:36.000 And you just kind of have to one day go, eh, I don't really care.

01:19:39.000 But there's a part of you that always will a little.

01:19:42.000 Like, there's no human being...

01:19:44.000 But this is not the evil that I'm talking about.

01:19:45.000 No.

01:19:46.000 I'm not talking about someone going to... 1.00

01:19:48.000 You mean steal from you, take from you, and, like, kill you, basically. 0.99

01:19:50.000 You mean backstabbing, too, as well. 0.99

01:19:51.000 You mentioned earlier today. 0.99

01:19:53.000 Yeah, trying to murder you. 0.62

01:19:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:19:55.000 You know? 0.99

01:19:56.000 Literally.

01:19:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:58.000 Things like that.

01:20:00.000 That's...

01:20:00.000 And that's just, like...

01:20:01.000 And I apologized for that.

01:20:03.000 But we've been over this, and I forgave you, so you're...

01:20:05.000 I appreciate it.

01:20:07.000 I... Yeah, so the question then is, like, if we are here just in service to others, then, well, then I need to find a way to keep doing some form of Timcast show that people think is important and want to keep watching.

01:20:21.000 And I can't have my head explode doing it, so likely that means this show, which is an accident, has reached its culmination.

01:20:31.000 And it's odd, though, because the way you explain it is everything is quality over quantity, but we're not dealing with an algorithm, like you said, where a lot of it is just quantity.

01:20:40.000 It's legit pure quantity right now. 0.94

01:20:41.000 And that's what sucks. 0.97

01:20:42.000 Is that what you're talking about? 0.97

01:20:43.000 You were just doing, like, the other day you said you were trying to do, like, what, 12 shows, 15 shows a week or something crazy like that?

01:20:48.000 Well, it was always this way.

01:20:50.000 And so I'll let everybody end the secret.

01:20:53.000 I remember when I first started the morning shows and my views were skyrocketing and the money was skyrocketing and there were other people being like, how is Tim Pool doing this?

01:21:00.000 How is he getting so much?

01:21:02.000 And I'm like, I'm not going to say anything to anybody, but you're making one video a week.

01:21:06.000 I'm doing six per day, every day, seven days a week with no days off.

01:21:09.000 You did three between seven and eight, or six and seven every day.

01:21:12.000 I remember those days.

01:21:13.000 Yeah, 6.15 and 6.30.

01:21:15.000 And is that to just capture the algorithm, right?

01:21:17.000 No, that was just...

01:21:18.000 It was...

01:21:19.000 Or because it was just you were doing it because you liked it.

01:21:21.000 I had the time to do it.

01:21:22.000 I had the energy to do it.

01:21:22.000 I'm going to do it.

01:21:23.000 Yeah.

01:21:23.000 But then what I discovered is the front page of YouTube is basically, it's a raffle ticket, you know, cage.

01:21:31.000 You know, you spin it around and you stick your hand and you grab a ticket.

01:21:33.000 If I'm doing six per day, seven days a week, and you're doing one per week, guess what?

01:21:37.000 Every time someone sticks their hand and they're pulling out a Timcast video.

01:21:39.000 So if you watch one of my videos and then click refresh, guess what?

01:21:42.000 There's six more per day.

01:21:44.000 And so there's ten slots on the front page.

01:21:46.000 You're going to see Timcast more often.

01:21:48.000 I'm going to get more clicks.

01:21:48.000 I'm going to get more views.

01:21:49.000 The more views I get, the more I'm going to get recommended.

01:21:51.000 I'm going to beat all of you up.

01:21:52.000 It's just a numbers game.

01:21:53.000 Right now, the channels that are doing the big numbers are just going nuts on shorts.

01:21:58.000 And YouTube has basically...

01:21:59.000 So what are the shorts that people are producing now that really do work?

01:22:04.000 Find a viral video and then say, this is crazy!

01:22:07.000 And then play the viral video.

01:22:08.000 We've done a couple of those.

01:22:09.000 Reaction to songs.

01:22:10.000 For a short, for a one minute.

01:22:12.000 Oh no.

01:22:13.000 Can you believe this happened?

01:22:16.000 Yeah, it's just...

01:22:17.000 To be honest, the funny thing is...

01:22:19.000 Yeah, it's a pullover and you're like, what?

01:22:21.000 But the host reaction really does make a video work, like make the short work.

01:22:24.000 So looking at, like when we've done shorts, if we play a viral clip and just the viral clip, nothing.

01:22:31.000 If I were to say, guys, watch this, people will say, okay.

01:22:34.000 It's kind of wild how that works with shorts.

01:22:36.000 But then the content is becoming super lowbrow.

01:22:39.000 But that's how you generate subscribers.

01:22:41.000 That's how you do it.

01:22:42.000 Right, agreed.

01:22:44.000 I'll tell you another big problem with this.

01:22:48.000 Another straw in the camel's back is not just the business elements, but looking at the content that's being produced in this space...

01:22:56.000 Probably suggests all the more reason why we should keep going, but also massively makes me want to get as far away from it as possible.

01:23:03.000 Because I was talking about this a couple weeks ago.

01:23:04.000 People are making fake videos now, and YouTube's promoting them.

01:23:07.000 Yeah.

01:23:07.000 And I wonder if it's intentional.

01:23:09.000 So, like, there are videos where person A and person B, left and right, and it's a clip from three years ago and a clip from a year ago, and they're edited together to make it look like they're arguing.

01:23:18.000 I've seen one of those.

01:23:19.000 I saw one of those. 1.00

01:23:19.000 Is that true they're doing that shit stuff? 1.00

01:23:21.000 I heard that. 0.99

01:23:22.000 I went on the front page of YouTube and I saw two different ones.

01:23:25.000 And it was like, someone made a video about me using a clip of me from three years ago.

01:23:30.000 Someone made a clip of me claiming that Cenk Uygur and I were fighting.

01:23:33.000 And I was like, we're not fighting, what?

01:23:35.000 Like, we're talking with Jank about coming on the show, but, like, how is there this video from yesterday where it's, like, Tim Pool fighting Janky?

01:23:39.000 I'm like, I haven't talked to the guy in, like, two years since he was here.

01:23:42.000 Well, if you look at, like, you, Rogan, the cottage industry that has come of hate for Segura, stuff like that, there's a whole thing now that just exists to hate the people that are actually successful.

01:23:54.000 Well, Sam Seder's a great example of that.

01:23:55.000 Yeah.

01:23:56.000 Like, I'm pretty worried about it, actually.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, he's the one that always wanted to debate Crowder when I was on the show.

01:24:01.000 Yeah, and then he did that stunned...

01:24:03.000 When he brought in that other guy from...

01:24:05.000 I'm worried about him because if we don't do the show, I don't know how he's going to feed his family.

01:24:09.000 The other day, I was watching...

01:24:12.000 It was maybe three weeks ago.

01:24:15.000 Abbott and Preach, they're a big YouTube show.

01:24:18.000 But they did a clip of Tim talking about dating from five years ago.

01:24:23.000 It was forever.

01:24:24.000 It was like four years old.

01:24:24.000 That's what I was talking about.

01:24:25.000 Old school, like...

01:24:27.000 You know, you had the things in the background, the blue and red...

01:24:30.000 The blue and black little studio waffle.

01:24:34.000 But they did a whole video on that, talking about that's how you were today. 0.99

01:24:38.000 And everyone comments like, what are you guys fucking... 0.99

01:24:39.000 It's all fake. 1.00

01:24:41.000 Why would you pull up a five-year comment...

01:24:43.000 Back in the day.

01:24:44.000 Because the whole, like, and YouTube's promoting this heavily.

01:24:48.000 Like, if you go to the podcast section, there's, I mean, look, and it's not just me, it's like, I see people making fake videos about David Pakman, fake videos, like, and I'm just like, damn, dude, a guy with 150,000 subs has built his subs off being like, if I can't find the rage, make the rage.

01:25:04.000 But this is the nature of business.

01:25:06.000 Yeah.

01:25:07.000 I talked about this with the death of media and why Huffington Post beats out Save the New York Times.

01:25:12.000 Huffington Post, when I worked at Vice, I was explaining this to people, why media was dying, and it's been dying consistently.

01:25:19.000 If you go to an investor, say, I want to launch an investigative journalism outlet, and we're going to tell the people the truth.

01:25:26.000 The investor says, okay, what do you need?

01:25:29.000 He says, I'm going to need $350,000 a year for just two investigative journalists and their budget.

01:25:36.000 And he's going to say, okay, and what do I get at the end of that?

01:25:39.000 Well, we don't know.

01:25:40.000 We could investigate for a year and find nothing.

01:25:42.000 Okay, well, let's say you do find something.

01:25:44.000 Well, I mean, if we're able to, if it hits and people care about the story, maybe we can make our money back?

01:25:50.000 And they're going to go, uh-huh.

01:25:51.000 Then Huffington Post walks in and says, you give me $350,000, I'm going to write a bunch of stories about how cops are racist, and I'm going to make a million bucks in a month.

01:25:57.000 I'll make it work.

01:25:58.000 And he's like, I'll write you a check tomorrow.

01:26:01.000 That's happening now.

01:26:03.000 So if you're a podcaster and you're going like, I want to produce legit, honest commentary.

01:26:07.000 Well, I got bad news for you.

01:26:08.000 Some days are slow news.

01:26:09.000 But don't worry.

01:26:10.000 If you have no scruples, all you got to do is pull a clip from Cenk Uygur from 10 years ago and make the video claiming it was today.

01:26:16.000 And then people are going to watch it.

01:26:18.000 And there you go.

01:26:19.000 Congratulations.

01:26:19.000 Well, we do live in such a time of parody, though.

01:26:21.000 Like we did a thing last week of the men of voting for Kamala.

01:26:24.000 After that commercial.

01:26:26.000 Yeah.

01:26:26.000 I think that was a good one.

01:26:28.000 It was funny.

01:26:28.000 The real thing wasn't a parody?

01:26:29.000 Wow. 1.00

01:26:30.000 You're super gay. 1.00

01:26:31.000 I love it. 0.99

01:26:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:31.000 Well, you have Alex Stein as an Indian and then I'm literally a leather man. 0.99

01:26:35.000 And then people are commenting like, these aren't real men.

01:26:38.000 You're so funny, dude.

01:26:40.000 Taking it completely seriously.

01:26:41.000 But that's fine.

01:26:43.000 No, no, it's fine that it's like, it's funny that it tricks some people. 1.00

01:26:46.000 I mean, clearly they didn't watch the end, and if they did, they're the dumbest people. 0.82

01:26:49.000 Yeah, it shouldn't trick you, I'm sorry. 0.98

01:26:51.000 But, I mean, the first one did seem like a troll when the guy's, you know, sitting cross-legged at the end of a truck and just being like, yeah, just going...

01:27:00.000 Hey! 0.99

01:27:01.000 Like, I'm a rancher.

01:27:03.000 Yeah.

01:27:03.000 And you're like, no, this isn't good.

01:27:05.000 Those aren't real, man.

01:27:06.000 Yeah.

01:27:06.000 But even in a parody that you're doing it deliberately, some people do take that as real news.

01:27:12.000 Like, it's kind of shocking how dumb... 0.99

01:27:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:15.000 I don't want to say dumb. 0.99

01:27:16.000 That's just an easy thing to say. 0.99

01:27:18.000 But people are gullible.

01:27:20.000 It's true.

01:27:20.000 And it's because things are so crazy right now, I think it is kind of hard to tell what's real and what's fake.

01:27:25.000 I don't... 0.89

01:27:25.000 You know, maybe it's, maybe like, you know, Raymond was saying earlier, good times make weak men, and so we have a whole bunch of gullible fools who grew up believing everything they were told, and, you know, gullible's written on the ceiling right there above Raymond. 0.89

01:27:39.000 I was going to look over. 0.96

01:27:40.000 Did you really just look?

01:27:42.000 Because I thought it was a setup, but I was like, no, it's not a setup.

01:27:45.000 Maybe it is a setup.

01:27:46.000 Nope.

01:27:46.000 I got on camera.

01:27:47.000 Fucking Tim. 1.00

01:27:49.000 But, yeah. 1.00

01:27:51.000 Anyways.

01:27:52.000 It says Mussolini.

01:27:54.000 Weird.

01:27:54.000 Well, and that's also not...

01:27:55.000 It's a compliment about you.

01:27:58.000 I'm not looking anymore.

01:27:59.000 He's looking again.

01:28:00.000 Well, you looked already.

01:28:01.000 You know, there's nothing else.

01:28:02.000 I barely looked.

01:28:03.000 I did like a half F you like last time.

01:28:05.000 Half F. Like when Trump looked at the eclipse?

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:08.000 90% of the time I would have looked over, but I just knew.

01:28:10.000 But maybe he's not gullible.

01:28:12.000 You know, a week time is just the, you need to find someone.

01:28:16.000 You need to maybe, I don't know what you need to find, but just get some old school Gen X people who worked hard their whole lives.

01:28:22.000 Nah.

01:28:23.000 Or millennials.

01:28:24.000 They've done the same thing too.

01:28:25.000 Just don't get any Gen Zs. 1.00

01:28:26.000 I think I get a class A. I do the morning show and drive around.

01:28:29.000 Then I work normal hours like everybody else.

01:28:33.000 Make a morning show more robust because I don't have to worry about all the extraneous activities.

01:28:39.000 Aren't we living in kind of hard, soft times?

01:28:41.000 A little bit.

01:28:42.000 When you break it down.

01:28:44.000 So, Strauss's generational theory is that we are entering the hard time.

01:28:47.000 And so things are getting increasingly more difficult because...

01:28:51.000 I gotta give a shout out to Dickie Baird again.

01:28:54.000 But I have to issue a correction, actually.

01:28:56.000 Because I got the lyrics wrong when I explained the lyrics to the impression that I get.

01:29:01.000 It's, I'm not a coward.

01:29:02.000 I've just never been tested.

01:29:03.000 I'd like to think that if I was, I would pass.

01:29:05.000 Look at the tested and think there but for the grace go I. Might be a coward.

01:29:08.000 I'm afraid of what I might find out.

01:29:10.000 It's songs from 1997 and Dickie wrote it about how his generation experienced no hard times.

01:29:16.000 That the generation before had Vietnam and these great crises and they grew up in the 90s. 0.73

01:29:20.000 They were reaching adulthood late 80s into the 90s and they're just like, everything's great.

01:29:24.000 It's a golden age.

01:29:26.000 And that's what he's saying.

01:29:26.000 I better knock on wood because I know people who have.

01:29:29.000 He was saying, knock on wood, because if you're calling for this challenge, it may come to you.

01:29:33.000 But those good times led to the millennial generation being a particularly weak and fractured generation, which is resulting in failed policy, crime waves. 0.93

01:29:44.000 Really great examples.

01:29:45.000 I predicted Bud Light.

01:29:48.000 When the Bud Light thing happened, it happened and we all saw it. 0.86

01:29:51.000 I predicted that it was going to turn out to be some millennial woman who had recently gotten promoted to the position and then decided to turn the company gay. 1.00

01:29:57.000 And that's exactly what it was.

01:29:59.000 When the Gen Xer or the Boomer, who had been running marketing and all the frat bros and everybody loved Bud Light, as soon as they walked out and they brought in the Millennial Man, she was like, we want Dylan Mulvaney and then nuked the brand.

01:30:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:14.000 From what I could tell, it did very bad.

01:30:16.000 It did.

01:30:17.000 Yeah, people are not a fan of her. 0.61

01:30:18.000 Nobody still likes it.

01:30:19.000 I mean, it's still like...

01:30:20.000 Bud Light's still done.

01:30:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:22.000 None of us men really care anymore about Bud Light.

01:30:24.000 Well, they brought on Shane to try to revamp the image.

01:30:29.000 And Rogan and Shane were chugging Bud Lights on the show.

01:30:31.000 And UFC, too?

01:30:32.000 Yeah.

01:30:33.000 Did UFC do a thing?

01:30:33.000 Yeah.

01:30:34.000 And it's like, you know, my attitude there was take it and claim victory.

01:30:37.000 Say we win.

01:30:39.000 Yes.

01:30:39.000 And nobody wanted to win.

01:30:40.000 Take it back.

01:30:41.000 But nobody wanted to.

01:30:42.000 Yeah.

01:30:42.000 Joe Rogan was like, dude, who cares?

01:30:44.000 It's beer.

01:30:45.000 And I was like, you guys gotta be on Rogan's side in this one because he's reaching regular people.

01:30:49.000 Yep.

01:30:49.000 But a lot of conservatives, they want to do it.

01:30:51.000 But, you know, if I wasn't recovering Elkie, I would I'd do it just because I liked it. 1.00

01:30:55.000 If I was interested in piss water, I'd consider it. 0.71

01:30:58.000 It is kind of crappy. 0.70

01:30:59.000 Very crappy. 0.56

01:30:59.000 Yeah, it's what you buy when you're underage. 0.56

01:31:01.000 Once you, you know, can afford something better than Natty Ice.

01:31:04.000 I grew up in that.

01:31:05.000 Oh yeah, me too.

01:31:06.000 14, 15, 16.

01:31:07.000 Well, I wasn't drinking this.

01:31:08.000 I wasn't drinking when I was younger.

01:31:10.000 But when you're going to college parties, it's Natty Light or whatever.

01:31:14.000 Natural Light was awful.

01:31:15.000 It's called Natapult, guys.

01:31:17.000 It doesn't matter.

01:31:17.000 It gets you drunk.

01:31:18.000 Yes. 1.00

01:31:19.000 And it's 5.9 and it's shit beer, but it's 5.9 for shit beer. 1.00

01:31:21.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:31:21.000 It's terrible, yeah. 1.00

01:31:23.000 It's like The Beast.

01:31:24.000 You're like, wait, I get 30 things that are terrible instead of 24?

01:31:27.000 I remember the first time my buddy brought Delirium over, and it's like the opposite.

01:31:31.000 Oh, that Belgian beer?

01:31:32.000 Oh, I don't know if Delirium.

01:31:33.000 It's like 10%.

01:31:34.000 10%!

01:31:35.000 I think it's 10%.

01:31:36.000 Is it more than that?

01:31:37.000 It's high.

01:31:38.000 It's like thick.

01:31:39.000 I loved it.

01:31:39.000 It's called Delirium, guys.

01:31:41.000 Delirium.

01:31:42.000 It's a wild dude.

01:31:43.000 Wasn't the artist of the bottle the same one that did Fear and Loathing in a lot of Hunter S's lore?

01:31:47.000 Oh, on the outside?

01:31:48.000 Yeah, I think you might be right.

01:31:49.000 That's true.

01:31:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:50.000 It was lore.

01:31:50.000 It was definitely meant to mess you up.

01:31:52.000 It worked every time.

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:54.000 Are we doing Super Chess tonight?

01:31:56.000 We'll grab some Super Chess, I guess.

01:31:57.000 I figured I'd ask.

01:31:59.000 There's a lot of them.

01:32:00.000 There's too many.

01:32:00.000 I can't read them all.

01:32:01.000 Everyone's going to tell you how much they love you and hope that you can work it out in your brain and all that good stuff.

01:32:06.000 Commander Kronk says, Tim, I really don't have the money to chat, but I'm going to.

01:32:09.000 Please don't give up.

01:32:10.000 You are one of the few people I trust in news.

01:32:12.000 The world needs you.

01:32:13.000 Well, so the idea is I would do the morning show.

01:32:15.000 I would...

01:32:16.000 So one of the challenges is that I'm like...

01:32:18.000 I'm sitting here going...

01:32:21.000 If I did one show and got 150,000, like on the audio side, we get about 100 on IRL and like 50 on the morning show.

01:32:29.000 Like Spotify?

01:32:30.000 Yeah, iTunes, Spotify.

01:32:32.000 We've done no promotion for it, so we've recently brought on someone to do audio and start getting promotion because we're like, if we're the biggest on YouTube, we should certainly, but we haven't promoted anything so nobody knows we're there.

01:32:41.000 But I'm like, if I did one show and got 150k and we're like, what is this?

01:32:47.000 Oh! 0.60

01:32:48.000 Oh, Ian?

01:32:49.000 He's here.

01:32:50.000 Welcome, Ian.

01:32:51.000 Hey, what's up, dude?

01:32:52.000 You must have just turned in and heard what was going on.

01:32:54.000 Were you sleeping the whole time?

01:32:55.000 Okay.

01:32:56.000 Dave.

01:32:56.000 Michael, let's out!

01:32:59.000 You need a microphone in.

01:33:00.000 My brother's name is Michael, though, so that works.

01:33:02.000 Mike Landon, Dave Landon.

01:33:04.000 Were you asleep?

01:33:05.000 I was.

01:33:06.000 I thought Hannah Clarence and Seamus were going to be here, so I was like, well, I guess it's a full house.

01:33:11.000 We'll take the night off.

01:33:13.000 I was having a dream that I was playing music with Nick Fuentes, man. 0.99

01:33:17.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.98

01:33:19.000 Hey, do you know who I am? 0.99

01:33:23.000 I just woke up, but it was good.

01:33:26.000 I was dreaming of this song with Fuentes, and he was great.

01:33:29.000 And then I logged on, and I was like, I'm quitting the show.

01:33:32.000 And I'm like, no, no, we gotta just change the format.

01:33:34.000 We gotta play music.

01:33:36.000 We gotta play music.

01:33:38.000 We're gonna jam, dude.

01:33:40.000 How you guys doing?

01:33:41.000 What about you, sir?

01:33:42.000 Great to see you.

01:33:43.000 And my point is, if I do one show and it consolidates viewership, gets more reach, and allows me to focus better, then maybe that's a better way to go about doing it.

01:33:54.000 I would think we got such a good opportunity with just 8 p.m.

01:33:58.000 An us.

01:33:59.000 We could do life change.

01:34:01.000 I'm gonna go to North Carolina and help with cleanup.

01:34:03.000 A friend of mine's doing cleanup stuff.

01:34:04.000 Good humanitarian stuff.

01:34:06.000 We could be playing music.

01:34:08.000 We could be doing all sorts.

01:34:09.000 We got 8 p.m.

01:34:10.000 You're such a bright light, Ian.

01:34:11.000 It got Amy Kramer vibes.

01:34:14.000 Yeah, it is Kramer vibes.

01:34:16.000 But he's bringing light to us all around.

01:34:19.000 So you're thinking that it's just the 8pm...

01:34:24.000 I can't help it.

01:34:25.000 It's all I do.

01:34:26.000 I don't know if you've met me.

01:34:29.000 I'm sorry.

01:34:30.000 I'm obsessed with what's going on.

01:34:31.000 No, we love it.

01:34:32.000 We love that you came up.

01:34:33.000 You're saying the 8pm, 8-10 politics format is like burning out?

01:34:37.000 Is that what you guys are feeling?

01:34:39.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:34:39.000 No.

01:34:40.000 No, no, the issue is, the studio broke.

01:34:45.000 What happened?

01:34:46.000 The studio broke.

01:34:47.000 I don't know.

01:34:48.000 It's been a cascade failure on the studio, and it's not just about that, it's that for any project, unless I am in charge of it, to the T, it doesn't happen.

01:34:58.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 Micromanagement.

01:35:00.000 It's very centralized.

01:35:02.000 So you can either let go and have all these different managers try and run all the different departments.

01:35:06.000 We don't have all these managers, though.

01:35:09.000 We've attempted management.

01:35:12.000 The same thing happens.

01:35:13.000 It stops working.

01:35:14.000 Some people will hire, like Elon hired a CEO to run Twitter, and he's like, look, if you mess it up, you're out.

01:35:20.000 But in the meantime, I'm the owner.

01:35:21.000 I make all the final decisions, but you're going to run everything.

01:35:24.000 I don't have time for this.

01:35:26.000 And then he'll come in and just do whatever he wants whenever he wants.

01:35:28.000 Oh, hey, look at this.

01:35:29.000 I just heard this.

01:35:30.000 Matt Christensen and Blonde, they quit last night.

01:35:34.000 What's that?

01:35:35.000 He had a live stream that he would do.

01:35:37.000 Matt Christensen's a YouTuber.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, I've heard the name.

01:35:40.000 So I guess he should know.

01:35:41.000 I mean, look, I'm saying I can just do my morning show and not have to worry about anything else, and then I can get the job done.

01:35:51.000 Trying to do two shows in one day is a diminishing return with burning the candle at both ends.

01:35:57.000 God, yeah, dude.

01:35:59.000 We could do, like...

01:36:00.000 Dude, we could play games at 8.

01:36:02.000 We could do like...

01:36:03.000 No, if you want to do it for free.

01:36:06.000 We could play music.

01:36:07.000 Well, the thing is, there's 50,000 people that are going to come watch no matter what.

01:36:10.000 60 right now.

01:36:11.000 Yeah.

01:36:12.000 That's not true, dude.

01:36:14.000 I mean...

01:36:14.000 We're not going to turn anything.

01:36:16.000 I'm not talking to crap or something like that, but I'm talking about quality content.

01:36:19.000 When we did music on Fridays, and if we do, the viewership will drop from 60 to 30.

01:36:23.000 Yeah, they like hearing the news.

01:36:25.000 Well, they're here for a news show.

01:36:26.000 Nobody sticks around for Gemini?

01:36:28.000 Like half of them.

01:36:29.000 Okay.

01:36:30.000 And then some people will be like...

01:36:32.000 That's fun, though.

01:36:32.000 There's still a big crowd.

01:36:33.000 Yeah, and we could change their format.

01:36:35.000 But you're right.

01:36:35.000 They are here for the news.

01:36:36.000 They are here for everyone to take...

01:36:38.000 We could write songs about the news.

01:36:39.000 The circle group, you know?

01:36:40.000 Everyone talking.

01:36:41.000 Because what would happen is if we change the format, you'd lose half the crowd, but then you'd slowly start to build a new crowd.

01:36:46.000 And they're only here for Tim.

01:36:48.000 Like me and you guys aren't...

01:36:49.000 We don't sell tickets.

01:36:51.000 I know.

01:36:51.000 I don't want to...

01:36:53.000 It's like your show, your fans and stuff.

01:36:56.000 Well, and I think, but if you're doing the morning thing...

01:36:59.000 Yeah, it's just profiles.

01:37:03.000 It should be okay.

01:37:03.000 Oh, good.

01:37:03.000 I hope it dropped out.

01:37:04.000 There we go.

01:37:07.000 The studio just broke.

01:37:08.000 Just right now.

01:37:09.000 Well, that's because...

01:37:10.000 We've been here all day resetting the whole thing to run in the old studio.

01:37:14.000 I want to stress this too because people are like, Tim, don't quit.

01:37:18.000 I'm not saying I'm quitting.

01:37:19.000 I'm saying IRL. I have a morning show that I can do entirely on my own without any support at all.

01:37:26.000 And it is extremely difficult to do all of this at one time.

01:37:30.000 Question for you then.

01:37:30.000 What do you want to do in real life?

01:37:32.000 Well, I would do this if it were possible.

01:37:34.000 So I'm going to do the morning show, which I think the strategy is like, Shave everything down to the core.

01:37:41.000 Morning show.

01:37:43.000 Produce the content.

01:37:44.000 And then from there, regrow.

01:37:47.000 It would be fun.

01:37:48.000 A reboot.

01:37:49.000 A reboot of sorts, do you think?

01:37:50.000 Yeah, IRL times...

01:37:52.000 So we range from like...

01:37:55.000 We're consistently the top 10 live streams in the world.

01:37:57.000 Yeah.

01:37:58.000 In terms of viewership.

01:37:59.000 In terms of Super Chats, we've consistently been the number one human being hosted show.

01:38:06.000 Because the VTubers make way more than us. 1.00

01:38:08.000 Yeah, of course.

01:38:08.000 If you're doing a live show, but you have an avatar of a hot anime woman, you'll make more.

01:38:14.000 Yeah, that's the deal.

01:38:17.000 That's great.

01:38:19.000 But it's also just...

01:38:21.000 I don't know.

01:38:22.000 It's been four years.

01:38:23.000 We reached the point where I think...

01:38:28.000 So here are the challenges.

01:38:29.000 Clearly we gotta fire people. 0.97

01:38:32.000 The problem is everyone's essential to a certain degree.

01:38:36.000 And so that means the show's not gonna function if we start to get rid of people.

01:38:39.000 So then it's just like, do we put the show on a hiatus and start reassessing how we need to find and hire people?

01:38:43.000 And then what do we do?

01:38:44.000 We wait three months of going through the hiring process and burning money.

01:38:46.000 So we can be like, who do we find?

01:38:48.000 Who's gonna be able to run this properly?

01:38:50.000 Or I just be like, look, I need to make sure that my show runs in the morning so I can live and feed my family and pay my bills.

01:38:58.000 Like waking up and not having a show for my morning show, I'm like, okay, well, who's paying the bills?

01:39:02.000 If it's not gonna get done, and I don't have people who's gonna run even that, it's annoying when we try and do Cast Castle, it fails.

01:39:10.000 Cast Castle 2.0 comedy, it fails.

01:39:12.000 Boonies, it fails. 0.99

01:39:13.000 And I'm like, but that's ancillary investment, and that's my failure.

01:39:16.000 I can't make it work.

01:39:17.000 I get it.

01:39:18.000 But when those projects result in me being unable to do the core show, which pays the bills, then it's just like, we're gonna stop.

01:39:26.000 Yeah, you got subscriptions.

01:39:29.000 Subscription models are where it's at, because then it frees you up to do, Who makes the product for the subscribers?

01:39:35.000 That's up to you, basically.

01:39:37.000 You get to make whatever you want.

01:39:38.000 Sure.

01:39:38.000 Whenever you want.

01:39:40.000 So IRL only exists because we have members.

01:39:43.000 If every single member quit, IRL ceases to exist, period.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, memberships is legit.

01:39:48.000 Dude, the Discord is so popping.

01:39:50.000 I just did a game jam with a bunch of people from the Timcast Discord.

01:39:54.000 Yeah, it's probably a good time.

01:39:55.000 All these developers, over two weeks, developed video games, and then they did this contest.

01:40:00.000 There were like 16 entries, and then they voted.

01:40:02.000 They got down to five finalists, and then they had me come in with another guest judge, and we played the games live.

01:40:09.000 And they're like, dude, we love everything you're doing, and we...

01:40:12.000 Not they didn't say we worship Timcast, but they're like, dude, they're people that are subscribing to the company.

01:40:18.000 The games were awesome, by the way.

01:40:19.000 Biggest Dickus Architectus was my favorite.

01:40:21.000 It was one of the winners.

01:40:22.000 It was a really cool game of physics and stuff.

01:40:25.000 So that was an untapped market.

01:40:27.000 I'm like, yo, if we hosted a video game judgment thing where developers were just constantly creating games, passing them in, and then there was a $1,500 prize that went to the winner.

01:40:39.000 You might get like 2,000 people watching.

01:40:42.000 Maybe 10.

01:40:42.000 I don't know if that's a big market.

01:40:44.000 You create the market.

01:40:46.000 This is the point.

01:40:46.000 You set the trend.

01:40:48.000 For video games, that's not bad.

01:40:49.000 What's that?

01:40:50.000 I think for video games, that's not bad.

01:40:51.000 No, it was fantastic.

01:40:53.000 And like...

01:40:54.000 It's like another way to garner fans and give back to the community that's subscribing and also to make money and to pay people that are up and coming developers.

01:41:06.000 That was just like two hours.

01:41:08.000 For me, it was two hours of work.

01:41:10.000 Tim, would you do IRL instead of the morning show?

01:41:15.000 Do you have a preference of...

01:41:17.000 IRL can't sustain itself.

01:41:19.000 Can't sustain itself, even though...

01:41:21.000 IRL requires the members to exist as a show because we need drivers, we need guest booking, hotel, travel accommodations.

01:41:28.000 We could also do no guests.

01:41:29.000 We don't need guests. 0.98

01:41:30.000 Yeah, they're worthless. 0.91

01:41:32.000 It's great having them. 0.97

01:41:34.000 He's been saying naughty things all the time.

01:41:35.000 And we can.

01:41:36.000 He has been naughty.

01:41:36.000 We can, but that show, me, you, and Phil did, was so awesome.

01:41:40.000 We could just hang out.

01:41:41.000 We don't need to fly people in every day.

01:41:43.000 We could do like guests once a week or twice a week.

01:41:45.000 Back in the day, the old one?

01:41:45.000 Old school?

01:41:46.000 Back when it was him, you and Adam, it was just as entertaining.

01:41:49.000 I mean, that's actually what I was saying is one of the core ideas is to just get rid of everything but the skeleton crew.

01:41:55.000 Yeah, and then just have guests whenever.

01:41:57.000 We can tell the guests if you want to come on the show, you drive yourself.

01:41:59.000 Yeah.

01:42:00.000 No more covering your plans, Dave.

01:42:02.000 This was the first time you did.

01:42:04.000 What do you mean?

01:42:05.000 I always would book myself.

01:42:08.000 Oh, really?

01:42:08.000 I never wanted to burden anybody with...

01:42:10.000 Oh, you're such a nice man.

01:42:11.000 You can get some people first class.

01:42:12.000 They jumped on it.

01:42:14.000 Yeah, can you?

01:42:15.000 Yeah, let's do Skeleton Crew.

01:42:16.000 Well, we'll think about it.

01:42:17.000 But that's when you started blowing up, too, Tim.

01:42:19.000 Like, OG fans.

01:42:20.000 I mean, middle seat.

01:42:21.000 You and Adam, and then Young Gentlemen came around.

01:42:24.000 We have so many hosts now.

01:42:24.000 So, yeah, it was just...

01:42:26.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:42:27.000 40K likes a night, remember?

01:42:29.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to wear my MAGA beanie if you give me 40K likes tonight.

01:42:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:33.000 But that was also during COVID. And so viewership on everything for people locked in their homes was massive.

01:42:38.000 They would kill you for wearing that.

01:42:39.000 They called it lightning in a bottle.

01:42:41.000 You and Adam, your old school friendship, like kindling into this business.

01:42:45.000 It was just crazy energy.

01:42:46.000 You know what?

01:42:47.000 The show was supposed to be on the street.

01:42:50.000 It was supposed to be out of a vehicle where I would interview regular people and just hang out and do a podcast.

01:42:54.000 I was talking with regular folks.

01:42:55.000 It changed up a lot.

01:42:57.000 It can.

01:42:58.000 It's too burdensome.

01:43:00.000 So many hosts.

01:43:01.000 We got Phil, Libby, Seamus, when he feels like it, Hannah Claire, Raymond, me, Serge.

01:43:07.000 I'm so glad you're talking again.

01:43:09.000 I like that Ian's naming names.

01:43:10.000 Dude, I'm dropping.

01:43:12.000 It's all of them.

01:43:13.000 It's all their fault.

01:43:14.000 I'm going back to the Ross Dress for less, apparently, my friends.

01:43:16.000 And, like, God, we could have other people come in, too.

01:43:19.000 There's so many people that...

01:43:20.000 Oh, you're saying positive things?

01:43:22.000 Yeah.

01:43:23.000 Awesome.

01:43:23.000 Yeah, like...

01:43:24.000 He's not naming names.

01:43:25.000 People that work at TimCast, even.

01:43:27.000 Like, Wesley's hilarious.

01:43:28.000 Carter Banks is awesome.

01:43:31.000 I mean, Charles is hilarious. 0.99

01:43:33.000 I would love to sit down with Charles for a couple hours and just shoot the shit, talk about whatever, talk about economics, talk about... 0.99

01:43:40.000 He's just a funny guy. 0.99

01:43:41.000 Rugby, hockey, but yeah.

01:43:42.000 Yeah, like, he's just good to be, like, be in a room with...

01:43:45.000 I don't know, I don't know.

01:43:47.000 So you're in a reassessment timeframe then?

01:43:51.000 I'm so happy you wrote May, like I said before.

01:43:54.000 I wasn't going to do the show at all, but Dave was here and I was like, it's kind of a dick move.

01:43:58.000 To be like, we're not going to do anything.

01:44:01.000 Because you've always been open and honest with your audience, so it's good that you're doing this opening, honest with your audience right now.

01:44:07.000 Did you already talk about what you've been working on lately?

01:44:10.000 No.

01:44:10.000 What have you been doing?

01:44:14.000 Nothing.

01:44:14.000 You're normal world, yeah?

01:44:16.000 He retired.

01:44:16.000 He works on a farm.

01:44:17.000 Yeah, it's pretty good.

01:44:18.000 Well, I don't say work, but I'm definitely doing labor on a farm.

01:44:22.000 What I do is normal world.

01:44:24.000 Yeah, that's the sketch show. 0.84

01:44:26.000 And we're finally putting out more sketches because I know what it's like to have to deal with certain people as well.

01:44:31.000 Egos and whatnot.

01:44:32.000 But it's good that we're now building it back up.

01:44:34.000 And I really do like the show.

01:44:36.000 But I really want to do like all sketch.

01:44:39.000 You were fantastic.

01:44:39.000 I was telling the driver today.

01:44:41.000 You were on a show?

01:44:42.000 We were on the first episode together.

01:44:43.000 It was called Rogtopia.

01:44:45.000 It's on YouTube.

01:44:46.000 Wait, I've totally seen that.

01:44:47.000 I've seen you guys for the first couple of months.

01:44:49.000 So good, dude.

01:44:49.000 He comes off like Robert Downey Jr.

01:44:51.000 It's crazy in less than zero.

01:44:53.000 He's amazing in it.

01:44:54.000 Acting is like my strength.

01:44:56.000 We should do more.

01:44:57.000 I would love you to do more.

01:44:59.000 I would love him to do a sketch, but he can't leave.

01:45:01.000 Well, maybe now he can.

01:45:03.000 I know, and if you're not around, I would love to have him in a sketch.

01:45:06.000 That'd be so funny, dude.

01:45:07.000 There's nothing more I enjoy than doing that.

01:45:09.000 And like, yeah, dude, Drugtopia was fantastic, because you just...

01:45:12.000 It was just perfect how well you played that.

01:45:15.000 Would we just fly down to Texas for a couple days and shoot it?

01:45:18.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.85

01:45:19.000 That'd be pretty cool.

01:45:20.000 That's the most fun.

01:45:21.000 Like, honestly, I think when it's coming into, like, comedy, sketch, movies, all that stuff, I think there's a way to really do this right, and it's not necessarily being done.

01:45:30.000 We could get rid of guests.

01:45:32.000 Yeah.

01:45:33.000 Guests can come on if they choose to come on, but we're not going to handle booking and anything else.

01:45:37.000 Well, if you're coming on because you're basically giving them a lot of free promo...

01:45:41.000 Yes.

01:45:42.000 And sometimes people come on and don't say like two words.

01:45:44.000 Dude, that's the worst.

01:45:45.000 It's so brutal.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, so...

01:45:46.000 And they get mad at us.

01:45:47.000 Do they?

01:45:48.000 They get mad afterwards?

01:45:48.000 I don't know if they know what the show was.

01:45:50.000 Well, like a PR company would be like, we want to get this person on your show and then think we're going to interview them about their book and then we don't.

01:45:55.000 But yeah, IRL is a topical news show, daily news show.

01:45:57.000 Well, do they think that you read the book?

01:45:59.000 I mean, that's a lie.

01:46:00.000 No, it's funny though because like...

01:46:02.000 Nobody reads the book.

01:46:03.000 I won't lie to people.

01:46:03.000 Like we've had people on the show and they'll hand me the book and they're like, will you read it?

01:46:05.000 I go, no.

01:46:06.000 Yeah.

01:46:07.000 And I'm like, bro, I'm not going to lie to you.

01:46:08.000 I'm doing two shows every day and running a company.

01:46:09.000 There's no way I can read this book.

01:46:11.000 Look, Michael Malice is a good friend of mine, but I don't understand.

01:46:16.000 I got the audio book and I still haven't listened to it.

01:46:19.000 Dude, I get halfway in and I'm like, yeah, I believe you.

01:46:21.000 The white belt is spot on. 0.99

01:46:24.000 Mike knows what he's talking about.

01:46:25.000 It's the white pill.

01:46:27.000 It's brilliant, yeah.

01:46:28.000 The first few chapters I got.

01:46:31.000 And then I just don't pretend I'm smarter than I am.

01:46:34.000 So let me tell you guys something.

01:46:36.000 Maybe, you know, we could do the CEO route, right?

01:46:39.000 We could do the surgical investment.

01:46:40.000 You know what that means?

01:46:41.000 No.

01:46:42.000 It means that, you know, we'll be doing the show and we're going to let people know about the hardships we face.

01:46:48.000 Especially the hardships dealing with a bad night's sleep.

01:46:50.000 Which is why I use MyPillow.

01:46:52.000 I knew they were good.

01:46:55.000 That was fantastic.

01:46:57.000 MyPillow! 1.00

01:46:58.000 Promo code TIM is an actual thing.

01:46:59.000 You can use it.

01:47:00.000 Really?

01:47:01.000 So we do pre-rolls.

01:47:02.000 We don't do end-rolls or mid-rolls.

01:47:03.000 But I guarantee you, anybody who comes in and says, I'm going to clean this up, is going to be like, we need four ad reads per show.

01:47:08.000 If they're good things, I don't mind talking about them.

01:47:11.000 I really actually want to.

01:47:12.000 They're not going to want a conversation about it.

01:47:13.000 They're going to say, break at 9.30, read the line.

01:47:16.000 Read the minute, carry on.

01:47:18.000 Can you do like 15 seconds?

01:47:20.000 Like, real quick?

01:47:20.000 You know if you said something like, I'll be at Tom's River, New Jersey on Friday?

01:47:24.000 Theo Vaughn does really cool ads where he's like, yo homie, you gotta get a taste of this shit. 0.99

01:47:30.000 He says it how he would say it. 0.98

01:47:31.000 Is it in the middle of the show?

01:47:32.000 It cuts to it in the middle of the show.

01:47:34.000 Those are host red placements.

01:47:37.000 So we have some of those sometimes.

01:47:39.000 I'm saying for a live show, host red placements are going for YouTube.

01:47:44.000 Hands down.

01:47:44.000 Anybody who comes in and says, we want to run this, they're going to be like, oh, here's your problem.

01:47:47.000 You're not doing any ad reads.

01:47:48.000 Like the Ben Shapiro, how he makes it in that pretty young lady, Cooper?

01:47:54.000 Brett Cooper.

01:47:54.000 Brett Cooper, yeah.

01:47:55.000 She mixes her ad reads very well.

01:47:58.000 I would do ad reads.

01:47:59.000 I kind of like the commercial idea, too.

01:48:01.000 I'm just throwing it out there.

01:48:02.000 I always like making commercials.

01:48:03.000 It just sounds like doing a lot more work.

01:48:04.000 Oh, like it cuts to a sketch or something?

01:48:08.000 Of us with a real product we could be selling?

01:48:11.000 Yeah, but it's actually just a sketch of the products in it.

01:48:14.000 Tim's like, I'm hungry.

01:48:14.000 I'm like, have one of these.

01:48:16.000 And I'll hand them, like, yeah, whatever bar it is.

01:48:19.000 And you're like, you need a protein bar.

01:48:20.000 So you're doing a lot of work and you're not getting out of it what you want.

01:48:25.000 Um...

01:48:26.000 Well, I mean, look, the studio broke.

01:48:27.000 Right.

01:48:28.000 And so I'm just, there's a lot of other things too, but I'm not going to throw anybody specifically under the bus.

01:48:31.000 I'm not going to bring up other things, but it's just like, like I said, 90% of the job getting done means 10% across every person that I have to handle and I can't do it all.

01:48:38.000 Gotcha.

01:48:39.000 And so, you know, people are mentioning, you know, we got a super chat startup syndrome.

01:48:42.000 You need a CEO. I'm like, of course.

01:48:43.000 Right.

01:48:44.000 And so that's, that's the question.

01:48:45.000 It's like, it's a four-year startup though.

01:48:48.000 That's normal.

01:48:49.000 Three to five years of startup.

01:48:50.000 Most companies fail in five years.

01:48:51.000 That's what I mean, yeah.

01:48:52.000 Is that what it is?

01:48:52.000 So now you're bringing the CEO and...

01:48:54.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:48:55.000 Well, it's like, why just keep spending money and spinning wheels?

01:48:58.000 Like, I could pull it all back and keep making money and not have to stress about any of it.

01:49:03.000 That's true.

01:49:04.000 Does any of...

01:49:05.000 If I was you, I would have just already done just the Timcast thing, but that's...

01:49:09.000 I mean, I'm saying I could buy a Class A. He says he likes the IRL aspect of it.

01:49:14.000 Yeah.

01:49:15.000 I could get a Class A right now.

01:49:16.000 You know what a Class A trailer camper is?

01:49:18.000 Tour Bus.

01:49:19.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:20.000 Pop out Tour Bus, basically.

01:49:21.000 I can park it anywhere in the country.

01:49:24.000 See, I upgrade from the van, you know what I'm saying?

01:49:26.000 Stream live from the tour bus?

01:49:27.000 No, I record my morning segments from the bus wherever I want to go.

01:49:30.000 And then that's it.

01:49:32.000 I'm done.

01:49:33.000 I could reasonably record till 4 to get the best segments up.

01:49:37.000 I could do 10 segments per day if I'm working till 4 p.m.

01:49:40.000 That'd be nuts.

01:49:40.000 Can you stream on a bus?

01:49:43.000 Starlink, yeah.

01:49:43.000 And you can be done the rest of the night.

01:49:45.000 And then at 4 o'clock I go to Allison and say, you want to go get dinner?

01:49:48.000 And I go hang out with my family.

01:49:50.000 Like a awesome tour bus you could get or like one for poison?

01:49:55.000 No, they're based AF. You know, I guess IRL does very well.

01:49:58.000 Oh, so you could just get one.

01:49:59.000 A hundred grand.

01:50:00.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:01.000 How much?

01:50:01.000 A hundred?

01:50:01.000 A hundred grand.

01:50:03.000 What's the cost of a Kia now?

01:50:06.000 Almost 100 grand.

01:50:07.000 Yeah, so there are some used Class A trailers that are like 2022 or whatever that I saw.

01:50:12.000 I think they're like $100,000.

01:50:14.000 That's awesome.

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.000 And I could record my morning show anywhere I want.

01:50:18.000 Dude, mobile's the shit. 1.00

01:50:20.000 I just got a bunch of mobile equipment today. 1.00

01:50:21.000 I hate promoting it.

01:50:22.000 Yeah, you could do 10 minutes, 10 minutes, 10 minutes, and do what you did before.

01:50:25.000 6, 7, 6.30.

01:50:26.000 I don't want to say that out loud because I like...

01:50:29.000 Yeah, but it's true.

01:50:30.000 It's 100% true.

01:50:31.000 You could totally get it done.

01:50:32.000 And you could be happier that way.

01:50:34.000 So, yeah.

01:50:34.000 I've been studying.

01:50:35.000 If you think, I mean, I don't know what, I don't know your happiness level.

01:50:38.000 We're not best friends or anything.

01:50:40.000 Are you guys following Thunderbolt technology?

01:50:42.000 It's USB, huge breakthrough advancements.

01:50:45.000 It's USB's eclipsing HDMI. Like it's a one, it's not even USB, it looks like a USB cord.

01:50:50.000 It's called Thunderbolt.

01:50:51.000 And it's going up to Thunderbolt version five, where you can get one USB plug, can power your device with a hundred watts, and it can send 80 gigabits a second, which is like, What would that be?

01:51:06.000 16 gigabytes per second of transfer data speed?

01:51:09.000 Like, phenomenal.

01:51:12.000 So basically you're going to end up having one cord that can power your entire setup.

01:51:16.000 And it's called Thunderbolt?

01:51:17.000 Yeah, Thunderbolt technology.

01:51:18.000 My new laptop has Thunderbolt 4, 40 gigabits per second.

01:51:22.000 I'm studying the difference in gigabytes and gigabytes.

01:51:24.000 Wait, is it yours?

01:51:26.000 Is it like your product?

01:51:27.000 No, no.

01:51:28.000 It's a new breakthrough.

01:51:29.000 I think Intel has been working on these advancements.

01:51:32.000 They kind of started using gallium nitride in superconductors, so it's a lot cooler, so they can make things a lot smaller.

01:51:40.000 Well, Ian's back, everyone.

01:51:41.000 Yeah, dude, I've been studying electricity for like a week and like power and I was studying volts this morning.

01:51:48.000 Alessandro Volta, how he built his first battery.

01:51:50.000 You guys ever study that thing?

01:51:51.000 Nope. 0.97

01:51:51.000 He's called the Volta, I think it was a Volta pile where he just put zinc and copper on top of itself over and over and over again with like these pieces of cardboard in between them with salt water and then they just made an electrical charge and they were like, what the fuck? 0.97

01:52:05.000 So they just started destroying stuff.

01:52:07.000 They were like, let's destroy water.

01:52:09.000 So they discovered electrolysis.

01:52:11.000 They were like, let's destroy salt.

01:52:12.000 They discovered sodium.

01:52:14.000 And then they had OMAD to come in and figure out how to resist the electricity to actually utilize it in daily products. 1.00

01:52:22.000 Damn, you research. 0.99

01:52:23.000 Yeah, I've been going nuts. 1.00

01:52:24.000 I've been looking at, like, mobile equipment lately.

01:52:26.000 Okay.

01:52:27.000 Because my friend's down in North Carolina.

01:52:28.000 Like I was saying, she's doing this cleanup stuff. 1.00

01:52:30.000 Yeah, a friend, Dr.

01:52:32.000 Steve, is right now because his hospital was flown up to the ceiling.

01:52:35.000 I mean, to the roof.

01:52:37.000 Zena Radner, phenomenal humanitarian.

01:52:40.000 She does all sorts of crazy work. 1.00

01:52:41.000 And I was like, I got to go down there and interview her.

01:52:43.000 So I've been looking at, like, difference of wattage and voltage and amperage, because I've been trying to get different devices and make sure everything's compatible.

01:52:50.000 Oh, like how you're going to power it and everything?

01:52:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:52.000 And there's new breakthroughs in USB, and this Thunderbolt tech is really, really promising for mobile work.

01:52:59.000 Thunderbolt tech is nice.

01:53:01.000 Any suggestions?

01:53:02.000 Yeah, I think we'll do a little members only for all of our members who want to have more direct conversation with some call-ins and want to ask some questions.

01:53:08.000 Love that.

01:53:09.000 You know.

01:53:10.000 Hanging with the members, dude.

01:53:11.000 That's really fun, too.

01:53:12.000 Because I wanted to have you come in and guest judge the video game competition with me, but I figured you're too busy.

01:53:16.000 But this is like an opportunity to do that kind of stuff.

01:53:19.000 There you go.

01:53:21.000 I'm glad you're doing that.

01:53:22.000 And if we did it 8 to 10 one night, where it's like, let's use this platform to host these games for these new and up-and-coming.

01:53:28.000 Because some of these guys are like geniuses.

01:53:30.000 In two weeks, what they can spin together.

01:53:31.000 Do you understand the level of what's going on tonight, by chance?

01:53:35.000 Man, I'm always on the level, Raymond, but tell me.

01:53:38.000 Talk to me about it.

01:53:39.000 Just what the show's about.

01:53:40.000 The title is Maybe the Last Show, and you're talking about Thunderbolts.

01:53:44.000 Yeah.

01:53:44.000 Yeah, that's what I always...

01:53:46.000 Yeah, well, I'm talking about mobile tech, but yeah, you could say...

01:53:50.000 Just curious. 0.92

01:53:50.000 I'm not trying to be a dick right now. 0.92

01:53:51.000 I guess I don't want to pile on. 0.96

01:53:54.000 I'd rather, like, elevate.

01:53:56.000 Your mood is very fantastic.

01:53:58.000 There are a lot of super chats.

01:54:00.000 I'll read one of them because a lot of them say the same similar thing.

01:54:03.000 What does it say?

01:54:04.000 The ham is bad.

01:54:06.000 You need to hire a COO and an IT professional.

01:54:08.000 People who have no interest in making videos that day want the system to produce the videos work.

01:54:13.000 The solution, I don't think the solution is try hiring more people again.

01:54:18.000 Remember how you had a problem, so you hired people, and that didn't work, so you fired them, and then you hired more people, and you fired them, and you hired more people?

01:54:22.000 Like, at a certain point, I'm kind of just like, I don't think that's the issue.

01:54:24.000 I think...

01:54:25.000 Yeah, I just think...

01:54:28.000 Cutting back on guests.

01:54:30.000 Huge expenditure.

01:54:31.000 If guests work for you, though...

01:54:33.000 I think it's...

01:54:34.000 I think people...

01:54:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:36.000 I think people are...

01:54:37.000 We have guests.

01:54:38.000 We've just had to...

01:54:39.000 You know, we've gone up and back and forth of that as well.

01:54:41.000 I think people are entitled. 0.97

01:54:43.000 Lazy.

01:54:44.000 Yep.

01:54:45.000 You know?

01:54:46.000 Very true.

01:54:47.000 Yeah, so you can only do so much, I guess.

01:54:51.000 I think the other thing, too, is the reason why a lot of businesses are as corporate as they are is because there's no world where, like, I believe that the actual mentality of the average employee, I say average employee, I'm not speaking about anyone individual, is I gotta get mine and I'll burn this down if I have to.

01:55:13.000 I don't know.

01:55:14.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:55:15.000 I think like, you know, I was talking to a friend and he said that he was at a job once and every time he'd look over, the guy's just scrolling Facebook and Amazon and not working.

01:55:24.000 I've met too many people like that.

01:55:27.000 That's true, but I don't think they have the ability to take over.

01:55:30.000 I'm not saying to take over.

01:55:31.000 I'm saying quite quitting is hugely popular.

01:55:34.000 It's like a big trend among Gen Z. Just leaving? 1.00

01:55:37.000 No, no, no.

01:55:37.000 Quiet quitting is when you keep pretending that you're working so you get as much money as possible before they fire you.

01:55:41.000 Oh, the George Costanza method.

01:55:43.000 Right.

01:55:43.000 I think that's a product of salary and hourly wages.

01:55:48.000 Because if you're just getting paid no matter what you do, and you're always going to get paid the same amount, why would you do more?

01:55:55.000 If you're making more money based on how well the outcome is, now you're going to work hard.

01:56:00.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:56:01.000 There's been a bunch of pitches like we should do...

01:56:03.000 Are you cool with the Collins?

01:56:04.000 Right?

01:56:04.000 With the Collins, yes?

01:56:05.000 Yeah, in five minutes.

01:56:06.000 Okay.

01:56:06.000 Yeah, so like one method is like the GE method, I think.

01:56:09.000 It's where every quarter you fire the bottom 10%.

01:56:13.000 That's a great idea.

01:56:15.000 I like it.

01:56:16.000 We're going to say this job has to get done.

01:56:20.000 If it doesn't get done, we're writing it down in a file.

01:56:22.000 At the end of the quarter, whoever has the most misses, you're out.

01:56:26.000 Yeah, man.

01:56:27.000 A harsh reality of business.

01:56:29.000 Yeah, who wants to work there?

01:56:30.000 I guess.

01:56:31.000 But that's the only way to do it.

01:56:33.000 Otherwise...

01:56:33.000 If you're the person who's not the bottom 10%, then that's a good thing.

01:56:37.000 Like, if you're working hard and people see that, then that's...

01:56:39.000 If you're working hard, other people are doing nothing and the company's failing because of it, you're gonna be pissed off.

01:56:43.000 Right, but then that's why I like the 10% gotta go.

01:56:45.000 I like that aspect.

01:56:46.000 Yep.

01:56:48.000 That's why I hate unions. 0.98

01:56:49.000 They're the worst.

01:56:51.000 So like you hire a CEO to come in and just be like, that person's got to go.

01:56:54.000 No, no, no.

01:56:55.000 We say, so we have tasks that have to be accomplished.

01:56:58.000 If they're not accomplished, we write down, you failed to accomplish tasks.

01:57:01.000 Then at the end of the quarter, we look at who has the most failures and say, you're out.

01:57:04.000 We're hiring somebody else.

01:57:05.000 It's the only thing I've ever had the last 20 years of my life.

01:57:07.000 I don't think people realize what they have until it's gone either.

01:57:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:11.000 And I mean, that's a huge thing about working at a place like this.

01:57:14.000 There's not a lot of gratitude until you go out there into the real world and realize that comedy feels like more of a safety net to me than it would working for any Fortune 500 company.

01:57:25.000 At least in these days.

01:57:26.000 Why is that?

01:57:28.000 So many overseas people that are doing the manufacturing.

01:57:32.000 I just don't feel that people are looked at as much more than numbers. 0.87

01:57:35.000 So if you're looked at by the person who owns the company as somebody who actually cares about the employer, but then you don't reciprocate that, that's kind of shitty. 0.96

01:57:45.000 You know, I've been watching a lot of videos of dudes tapping trees to get rubber out or factory workers working with vinyl, just poison, chemicals, brutal, boring-ass shit, and I'm like, What an opportunity this is to work on TV and entertain for a living. 0.97

01:58:01.000 That's what I mean. 0.98

01:58:02.000 We get six figures at Zug Island in Detroit where you just work with poisons all day and you're going to be reeled with tumors and die at 40, but you get six figures.

01:58:10.000 Yeah.

01:58:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:11.000 Like, people do that.

01:58:12.000 I mean, that's all their options are.

01:58:13.000 There are people who mine cobalt and their teeth fall out of their mouths when they're 20 and they get paid a dollar a day. 0.99

01:58:18.000 Or fucking throw luggage. 0.99

01:58:20.000 And they make great cookers. 1.00

01:58:21.000 Corn oil.

01:58:22.000 There's just so many jobs I've had in life that were like, I can't wait for this to be over.

01:58:26.000 And this is a job where I can't wait to wake up in the morning.

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:29.000 True.

01:58:30.000 Like, every job I've ever had until...

01:58:32.000 I don't think that's true for this company.

01:58:33.000 You don't think so?

01:58:34.000 I think that there's an element at this company among our staff who are just like, What do I have to say to make this day end?

01:58:42.000 I don't think anybody's looking at a clock right now, though.

01:58:45.000 No, they're...

01:58:45.000 This isn't the regular day.

01:58:47.000 I think that this company has too much of...

01:58:51.000 I don't gotta do it.

01:58:52.000 It's fine.

01:58:52.000 Yeah.

01:58:53.000 And then when it falls down and I have to catch it, they're just like, I don't care.

01:58:57.000 And you know what?

01:58:59.000 I think it's...

01:59:00.000 Some people are worse than others, but it's that if someone's not doing...

01:59:05.000 If someone's only doing 90, I'm trying to catch the other 10.

01:59:08.000 Yeah.

01:59:09.000 So you're doing 150.

01:59:10.000 I'm doing way more than that.

01:59:12.000 Yeah.

01:59:12.000 No, you're like 330 or whatever.

01:59:14.000 And then it's like a, hey guys, I really need this because I can't do it.

01:59:17.000 And they're like, sure. 1.00

01:59:18.000 And then they're just like, what a fucking idiot. 1.00

01:59:20.000 You think I'm going to do that? 1.00

01:59:21.000 Like, dude, it's remarkable how it's just like...

01:59:25.000 Hey, this thing has to get done, otherwise we can't do the company.

01:59:30.000 And they're like, you got it, mate.

01:59:32.000 And then they just, as soon as you leave, they, I don't know, crack open a bag of chips and just watch TV or something?

01:59:38.000 I don't know.

01:59:38.000 Yeah.

01:59:39.000 No, that's a crappy feeling.

01:59:42.000 Yeah.

01:59:44.000 Yeah.

01:59:45.000 So you do...

01:59:45.000 I mean, you take it more personal, then.

01:59:48.000 Because you have to.

01:59:49.000 I mean, it's your baby.

01:59:51.000 You know, I don't know if I take it personally.

01:59:53.000 How could you not?

01:59:53.000 I don't understand.

01:59:54.000 I don't know how you couldn't.

01:59:55.000 Yeah.

01:59:56.000 Because I think people are people.

01:59:59.000 I don't know.

02:00:00.000 Yeah, without a taskmaster being like...

02:00:02.000 Well, I think this is the realization, is that there has to be a mid-manager whipcracker.

02:00:07.000 Yes.

02:00:07.000 Yes, always.

02:00:08.000 And it sucks, but it's true. 0.88

02:00:10.000 You don't get that... 0.94

02:00:11.000 Like...

02:00:13.000 Anybody who is passionate and wants to do it, who doesn't need a Whipcracker, is not going to work at a company because they can do it on their own.

02:00:19.000 They can, yeah.

02:00:20.000 Okay, so then you don't need a CEO, you just need a middle management Whipcracker. 0.82

02:00:25.000 Or a CEO that also is a Whipcracker.

02:00:27.000 I'm not saying you need anything, Tim, I'm just throwing that out there.

02:00:30.000 Like a CEO could also be the whipcracker.

02:00:32.000 Sure.

02:00:33.000 And then they would be middle management because you'd be the owner.

02:00:35.000 We're not that big of a company.

02:00:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:36.000 Well, someone's got to execute and make sure that shit's getting done and is like, look, I'm talking to the head of this department, this department, this department, this department, this department. 0.99

02:00:43.000 Every day. 0.99

02:00:44.000 We're having 20 minutes with you, 20 minutes with you, 20 minutes with you.

02:00:47.000 Who's not getting it done in your department? 1.00

02:00:48.000 Oh, that's so dumb. 0.99

02:00:49.000 I don't want to do it. 0.99

02:00:50.000 That's why I'm just like... 0.99

02:00:51.000 So you would hire someone to do all that crap. 0.99

02:00:52.000 That would be the CEO's job. 1.00

02:00:54.000 Not interested.

02:00:54.000 Well, they got to do a...

02:00:55.000 You got to have meetings.

02:00:56.000 Yeah, no, no.

02:00:56.000 Or I can shut it down and do my morning show and I don't need any employees.

02:00:59.000 Yeah.

02:00:59.000 You could, yeah.

02:01:00.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:01:01.000 But if you want to have a company, you've got to have someone that's executing management.

02:01:04.000 That's what he's saying.

02:01:05.000 He doesn't want to execute.

02:01:07.000 Well, you're saying you don't want to do it.

02:01:08.000 Not that you don't want the company.

02:01:09.000 You don't want to do that job.

02:01:10.000 I don't blame you.

02:01:11.000 It's exhausting to be in meetings all day.

02:01:13.000 No, I don't want to be in that environment of weird, stodgy HR managers.

02:01:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:01:17.000 The HR companies that want to help you have a problem.

02:01:19.000 Like, dude...

02:01:20.000 I've worked at companies where it's like, I'm having an issue.

02:01:22.000 The only resolution is to ask HR, and HR is like, tell me more so I can fire you.

02:01:26.000 The machine is broken.

02:01:29.000 HR doesn't exist to help you with your problems.

02:01:31.000 If you work at a company, and you're having a problem employee harassing you, and they say, well, based on the current law, we're actually getting more trouble from the harassing employee than the person being harassed, so we should fire the victim and then protect the harasser.

02:01:43.000 Right.

02:01:43.000 Man, there are companies where, without naming any of them, I've heard stories where a woman got pregnant and then immediately threatened them that if they ever reprimanded her, she would sue them for sexism, and she'd get a high-powered lawyer, and then they'd just let her do whatever she wanted.

02:01:54.000 Oh, yeah, that's accurate.

02:01:55.000 There's an article I read the other day.

02:01:57.000 Someone, he quit his job like eight months ago, and every day he's just going in there and doing the least amount of possible, and he's still working there and he's still doing his thing.

02:02:05.000 It was a big...

02:02:05.000 It was a viral...

02:02:06.000 Yep.

02:02:07.000 It's called Quiet Quitting.

02:02:08.000 Okay, we're going to go to the members section so I can answer direct to the members because the members are the ones who make it all possible.

02:02:14.000 And I'm sure they have questions and we'll answer them.

02:02:16.000 So head over to TimCast.com if you want to hang out at the members show.

02:02:19.000 I will put it this way.

02:02:22.000 If we don't do IRL, maybe Ian's got a point about we can just get rid of guests, we can get rid of travel, we can get rid of all the extraneous elements of the show and it's like, you know, I don't know, like four of us just do the show and hang out every day and we don't need a guest.

02:02:37.000 And we can have guests periodically if someone wants to join the show and they can take care of it themselves.

02:02:41.000 But otherwise we just typically don't do guests, we just do news.

02:02:43.000 That's a strong possibility.

02:02:45.000 I think if that's not the case, what I would do for existing members, we obviously want to maintain the Discord for the people who value it as a community.

02:02:52.000 And then I would do a members-only, probably like Monday through Friday at like 2pm, where I would just do something.

02:02:58.000 That's an idea.

02:02:59.000 That's awesome.

02:02:59.000 So that way, there's still the members going on, there's still members-only content, and the people still have access to a community, and then we'll keep some staff to maintain it, and we'll figure that out.

02:03:07.000 But what we're going to do now is, that's why, because I don't want to be like, hey, go subscribe to a thing where we don't know what we're going to be doing, but if you want to watch the members only, and we're going to answer questions from the members, timcast.com, you can follow me on X on Instagram.

02:03:17.000 But that's another thing, too.

02:03:18.000 I'm probably, I don't even know if I'm going to be using X much longer, because removing the block feature is the most psychotic thing imaginable.

02:03:23.000 That's nuts.

02:03:24.000 Yeah, I just saw that.

02:03:25.000 Having all of my stalkers at once on one day instantly just get access to my feed and lose their minds?

02:03:30.000 I don't know if I'm interested.

02:03:30.000 I don't get it because they're basically nullifying the mute.

02:03:33.000 You have the mute button where you don't have to listen to the person anymore.

02:03:36.000 Now they're turning the block button back into the mute button.

02:03:38.000 Well, we're going to go to the members only then and talk to members.

02:03:42.000 So Dave, do you want to shout anything out?

02:03:43.000 Yeah, this Friday I'll be in Tom's River, New Jersey.

02:03:47.000 It's all Toys for Tots, goes to charity.

02:03:49.000 You can go to my website, DaveLandow.com, food, all that stuff.

02:03:52.000 Goes to families that need it.

02:03:54.000 That's this Friday, Saturday.

02:03:56.000 Well, no, Sunday, I'll be at Helium in Buffalo.

02:03:58.000 But check out my show, Normal World.

02:04:00.000 We've got sketches.

02:04:01.000 Ian's, of course, been on it.

02:04:03.000 I hope Tim will do a sketch.

02:04:04.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:04:06.000 And yeah, check it out.

02:04:08.000 It's on YouTube.

02:04:09.000 You can just look up Normal World.

02:04:11.000 You guys know me, I'm Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

02:04:13.000 I'm privileged and honored to be here tonight, and every night I'm on IRL, hanging out here.

02:04:20.000 Ian?

02:04:20.000 Ian Crossland, and like I mentioned earlier, we did the Game Jam cast.

02:04:24.000 Check out the Game Jam stuff.

02:04:25.000 It's great.

02:04:26.000 A bunch of software developers came together and made a bunch of video games that we judged in real time.

02:04:32.000 Also, what else?

02:04:33.000 I'm going to be going down to North Carolina, working on cleanup a little bit, like I said.

02:04:38.000 Oh, it's full of my social media.

02:04:39.000 It's at Ian Crossland and keep in touch with everything there.

02:04:42.000 I go live periodically and play video games and play music and all sorts of stuff.

02:04:46.000 So I'll see ya.

02:04:47.000 Oh, I also shot a movie out in LA that'll be coming out soon, but I'll tell you more about it as it releases.

02:04:52.000 Surge, talk me out, baby.

02:04:53.000 Um, yeah.

02:04:54.000 What's up, guys?

02:04:55.000 It's been fun.

02:04:56.000 I hope that it keeps going, but it's not my call to make.

02:05:00.000 Stay frosty, I guess.

02:05:02.000 Yeah.

02:05:03.000 Cool, and also, I like your show.

02:05:05.000 I like coming on it.

02:05:07.000 It's fun.

02:05:07.000 So thank you.

02:05:08.000 Thanks for coming. 1.00

02:05:09.000 So whatever you choose, I'll just kiss your ass a little bit at the end. 0.99

02:05:15.000 Yeah, I think the morning show will exist in some fashion if IRL does not. 0.99

02:05:20.000 And then I can do one bigger show instead of two bulky shows.

02:05:26.000 Or one light.

02:05:26.000 Like, the morning show has been light.

02:05:28.000 Like, I've only been doing four shows a week.

02:05:31.000 And then IRL, of course, five.

02:05:33.000 And now I'm just like...

02:05:35.000 Maybe I just do five morning shows and weekend bonus shows, and then there are seven shows a week once again, and more clips on YouTube and all that stuff.

02:05:45.000 So we're here with the members of the show.

02:05:46.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:05:49.000 I guess, you know, I expect to be here in the morning doing the morning show as per usual, so youtube.com slash timcastnews.

02:05:54.000 Other than that, we'll be at timcast.com in a minute.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 21, 2024

This May Be The Last Timcast IRL | Timcast IRL https:--youtube.com-live-YXY0pMEI9-o

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