Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - TIKTOK BAN HAS PASSED, Bill Moves To Senate, Trump OPPOSES Ban w-Jake Denton | Timcast IRL

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00:00:34.000 The big news today is that the House has passed a bill that would see TikTok banned in the U.S.

00:00:40.000 or they would have to divest from foreign adversary ownership.

00:00:45.000 It's resulted in a lot of contentious debate with many individuals on social media saying It's a trick!

00:00:51.000 So they can ban Rumble, or X, and give the president the authority to censor Americans, and... I read the bill, and I have no idea what any of these people are talking about.

00:01:00.000 Out-of-context clips being posted on social media, snippets of the bill without any further reading, people completely ignoring the text of the attached USC, and I'm like, I kinda don't think anybody actually read this.

00:01:13.000 I also think it's kind of strange that you had this big push in favor of banning TikTok because their algorithm is driving young people insane, provably.

00:01:22.000 But now, all of a sudden, people are like, no, actually, I oppose this.

00:01:27.000 And either they're just completely wrong or they're lying.

00:01:31.000 Look, shout out, I like Thomas Massey.

00:01:32.000 He's a good dude.

00:01:33.000 But he's wrong.

00:01:35.000 And I can't understand why he's going so heavily against this, sharing these out-of-context clips from the bill.

00:01:40.000 I read the bill, and he ignored a bunch of extremely important context about the argument that certain websites can be banned.

00:01:46.000 It's ridiculously specific what the bill says, basically only banning TikTok and creating a ridiculously difficult path towards any kind of other censorship that would in no way actually reach RumbleX or any other platform.

00:01:59.000 There is a potential circuitous argument they might, but we're gonna pull up the bill and we're gonna show you We're going to show you the attached United States Code and we'll talk about it.

00:02:06.000 You don't have to like it.

00:02:07.000 That's fine.

00:02:08.000 You can be in favor of TikTok.

00:02:09.000 TikTok, that's fine.

00:02:10.000 I just, I think it's important we actually know what the bill does before so many people jump to either supporting or opposing it.

00:02:17.000 The other big news is that the judge in the Georgia case against Donald Trump has dismissed six of 47 charges.

00:02:24.000 So I guess it's, uh, you know, it's interesting news.

00:02:26.000 I don't know how much it changes.

00:02:27.000 Uh, Fonny Willis will likely continue, and some people are saying this shows that he likely will not be dismissing her.

00:02:33.000 So this will be interesting.

00:02:34.000 And then, of course, there was a big story about an individual, a teenager who was non-binary, and the left said she was beaten to death for being trans or non-binary, and they blamed libs of TikTok.

00:02:46.000 We now know that, uh, sadly and unfortunately, This young teenager committed suicide.

00:02:52.000 It was completely unrelated to any of these things, as far as we know.

00:02:55.000 And, of course, that narrative was fake, so we're going to pull that up and talk about that.

00:02:59.000 In the UK, they've banned puberty blockers, so we've got some big news.

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00:04:45.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Jake Denton.

00:04:49.000 It's great to be here.

00:04:49.000 Thanks for having me.

00:04:50.000 Yeah, who are you?

00:04:51.000 Yeah, my name is Jake Denton.

00:04:51.000 What do you do?

00:04:53.000 I'm a research associate in the Tech Policy Center at the Heritage Foundation.

00:04:56.000 So I cover everything from artificial intelligence policy to bills like this TikTok one.

00:05:00.000 Did you see that video from Figure One?

00:05:03.000 Is that the robotics company, correct?

00:05:05.000 Yeah, it's a robot and they combined it with ChatGPT.

00:05:08.000 And this is what some people never thought this was going to happen.

00:05:08.000 Yeah.

00:05:12.000 We always thought that AI was going to be like, hello, I can lift this for you.

00:05:16.000 And they actually gave it a fake stutter.

00:05:19.000 They gave the robot a fake stutter so that when the guy says, can you give me something to eat?

00:05:24.000 He goes, yeah, actually.

00:05:26.000 And it's like, oh, it's so creepy!

00:05:28.000 But this will be fun.

00:05:29.000 So you happen to know a lot about this, Bill, and what's going on on social media.

00:05:33.000 So perfect timing having you here.

00:05:35.000 We got Carter Banks hanging out.

00:05:35.000 Should be a good time.

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00:05:43.000 Chris Carr.

00:05:43.000 Hey, thanks.

00:05:44.000 I'm the executive editor at SCNR.com.

00:05:47.000 And thanks for having me back.

00:05:47.000 That's Scanner News.

00:05:49.000 Right on.

00:05:50.000 Carter had a good joke insulting Chris Cuomo earlier.

00:05:52.000 Maybe we'll get to that later.

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00:06:09.000 We'll see.

00:06:10.000 But anyway, Serge is pressing the buttons.

00:06:12.000 I'm here, what's up?

00:06:14.000 Alright, let's jump into that first story from the New York Times!

00:06:18.000 House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app.

00:06:23.000 The legislation received wide bipartisan support with both Republicans and Democrats showing an eagerness to appear tough on China.

00:06:31.000 So it was, what did it bill?

00:06:33.000 It passed 352 to 65.

00:06:36.000 Massively bipartisan.

00:06:38.000 And what we're seeing right now is a divided punditry class on social media.

00:06:43.000 I believe Sagar and Jenny had the best response to this and he said, it's very simple.

00:06:51.000 We are not allowed to do business in China.

00:06:53.000 Why are they allowed to do business here?

00:06:55.000 Simple question.

00:06:56.000 He gave a much more deep and thorough explanation than just that, but I think he made probably the best point in all of this.

00:07:02.000 However, what I see from most people.

00:07:03.000 Tucker Carlson making the point that they could just ban anything.

00:07:07.000 You've got Michael Tracy arguing that it could ban a website, a desktop application, mobile application, augmented or immersive technology.

00:07:17.000 I gotta tell you, this one really, really bothered me.

00:07:20.000 By all means, if you think the bill should not pass because TikTok should be freely allowed to operate their algorithms in the United States affecting the U.S.

00:07:28.000 population, fine.

00:07:31.000 That's your opinion.

00:07:33.000 Say it?

00:07:34.000 Great.

00:07:34.000 I disagree.

00:07:35.000 I think it is a serious issue when a foreign adversary, namely China, is manipulating the algorithm so the likes of Dylan Mulvaney become particularly prominent in American culture.

00:07:47.000 Why would we allow a foreign adversary to dictate what we build in culture is insane to me. 1.00

00:07:53.000 And as most of you know, I think culture, it's, it's, Andrew Reitbart said, culture is politics are downstream from culture, nothing's more important.

00:07:59.000 In terms of winning the political battle, you have to build the cultural base.

00:08:03.000 and a Chinese application that not only is collecting our data is going to deeply affect

00:08:08.000 politics.

00:08:09.000 Take a look at what just happened.

00:08:10.000 When they were proposing this bill, Tick Tock sent a notification to everyone saying call

00:08:14.000 your reps and stop them from doing this.

00:08:16.000 That is an insane amount of power for a foreign adversary to have.

00:08:20.000 Now imagine this.

00:08:21.000 You get China about to invade Taiwan, and you have a bunch of politicians with varying

00:08:25.000 opinions on it.

00:08:27.000 Imagine there is the there is someone of the there are many members of Congress who have

00:08:31.000 publicly stated we will not.

00:08:34.000 We will not allow China to build military bases, invade Taiwan.

00:08:38.000 So what happens?

00:08:40.000 A week before election day, TikTok sends out a notification to only the people they believe will vote Democrat or in opposition and say, don't forget to vote.

00:08:49.000 We learned that from Dr. Robert Epstein.

00:08:51.000 So now, while many people are concerned about what this bill can do, I want to, uh, we'll discuss it and break down what it can and cannot do.

00:09:00.000 And the first thing I will say, many people are asking, why is it?

00:09:04.000 Why now?

00:09:05.000 Donald Trump wanted to ban TikTok.

00:09:07.000 Most people agreed with it back then.

00:09:09.000 And that bill was way worse.

00:09:11.000 And now that there's actually something that's very narrow and limited moving through, for some reason, everyone on the right is saying, no, we shouldn't do this.

00:09:17.000 Even Donald Trump.

00:09:18.000 The one thing I will say is that changed?

00:09:20.000 Israel. 0.98

00:09:21.000 The catalyst for this, in my opinion, was that when woke garbage is appearing on TikTok and it's flooding the feeds of all these young people and literally driving them to self-harm, Tourette's, and suicide, it's psychotic. 0.98

00:09:34.000 Instagram's no saint here either. 0.97

00:09:36.000 Nobody cares.

00:09:38.000 As soon as October 7th happens, TikTok begins showing prominently pro-Palestine content more so than pro-Israel content, resulting in a paranoid eruption from many politicians saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this undermines American interests in the Middle East.

00:09:56.000 Now they want to ban or control the app.

00:09:58.000 But Jake, I know you have a lot of understanding of this.

00:10:01.000 So can you break down the gist of what the bill does?

00:10:03.000 We can pull it up too and show people.

00:10:05.000 Absolutely.

00:10:05.000 So I think the most important thing to understand right at the top is that this bill is about the conduct of ByteDance, not the content on TikTok.

00:10:12.000 And so right off the rip when this was announced, you had all sorts of corporate lobbyists coming out and saying this is a First Amendment violation.

00:10:18.000 There is no First Amendment protection for data harvesting operations that are sending data back to China and using it against the American people.

00:10:25.000 And so this bill aims to address that phenomenon, not the content on the platform.

00:10:30.000 And this is where it gets difficult.

00:10:31.000 There's a million reasons to ban TikTok.

00:10:33.000 This just happens to be about the data.

00:10:35.000 And so this is the pathway they chose.

00:10:37.000 And what the bill does is that it names four adversary states, Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.

00:10:45.000 Only apps within those countries that also pose a national security threat that also look essentially just like TikTok, that is why they named TikTok, it's structured around TikTok, could ever be covered.

00:10:56.000 And so you have all this misinformation floating around from corporate lobbyists that are trying to appeal to your emotions, right?

00:11:02.000 Like, we all love Rumble, we all love X.

00:11:04.000 So the first thing they claim is that this is going to be used to ban Rumble and X. And you're being sold a bill of goods, right?

00:11:10.000 Like they are trying to appeal to your emotion, trying to activate you against your congressional member to kill this thing.

00:11:16.000 And it is not organic.

00:11:18.000 There's a lot of money floating around.

00:11:20.000 These are paid comments being made.

00:11:23.000 And it is a Chinese influence operation from the top down. 0.73

00:11:26.000 Like what do you call sending push notifications to millions of devices with outright lies about the contents of the bill and asking them to call their member?

00:11:33.000 So this is what we saw from Thomas Massey.

00:11:35.000 He grabbed a snippet of this, highlighted a single word, and tweeted out the image.

00:11:41.000 And all of a sudden I'm seeing tons of people being like, whoa, this bans websites!

00:11:45.000 It bans websites where you can create an account, Generate content, share content, create an account, view content, and it has to be from one of four countries, and that's basically saying, like, TikTok.com.

00:11:58.000 It doesn't ban you from viewing the website.

00:12:00.000 It doesn't ban anyone from going to the website or using it.

00:12:02.000 It restricts U.S. 0.82

00:12:03.000 companies from providing hosting services to adversary apps.

00:12:07.000 That means, under this bill, what would happen is TikTok could still exist, but you'd have to download the app through the APK, and you'd have to jailbreak your iPhone.

00:12:17.000 Now certainly that does effectively ban it for most people who use iPhones, but you're still able to go to any website you want even if it's run in China.

00:12:25.000 The section that Thomas Massey posted, I'll read it for you.

00:12:28.000 It says, The term foreign adversary controlled application means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application that is operated directly or indirectly, including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate by A. Any of 1.

00:12:42.000 ByteDance Ltd 2.

00:12:44.000 TikTok 3.

00:12:45.000 A subsidiary or a successor to any entity identified in Clause 1 or 2 that is controlled by a foreign adversary or An entity owned, controlled, directly or indirectly by an entity identified in Clause 1 or 2, 3, or a covered company, B, a covered company that 1.

00:13:03.000 Is controlled by a foreign adversary and 2.

00:13:06.000 That is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States following the issuance of 1.

00:13:11.000 A public notice proposing such determination and 2.

00:13:15.000 A public report to Congress submitted not less than 30 days before such determination describing the specific national security concern involved and containing a classified annex and a description of what assets would need to be divested to execute a qualified divestiture.

00:13:30.000 The important thing to understand here, the bill does not ban anything It outright says you must divest.

00:13:37.000 In the instance, the president says, hey, this website that allows people to create accounts, log in, post content, and other people to log in, post, and view that content has investment from Iran.

00:13:48.000 I hereby decree as a threat, you have to divest that.

00:13:52.000 So what would happen?

00:13:53.000 The app would not be banned.

00:13:54.000 They would simply say, hey, this Iranian guy who owns $10 million in the app, we've got

00:13:58.000 to, he's got to sell that to someone else.

00:14:00.000 Otherwise the company can't operate here.

00:14:02.000 It just ensures that there are American interests controlling the app.

00:14:06.000 This doesn't mean that, you know, a lot of people are like, this means the CIA will control

00:14:10.000 Like, the CIA could shut down Twitter or X right now.

00:14:13.000 Right now.

00:14:13.000 With or without this bill.

00:14:15.000 So, I don't even think this bill is particularly the most effective thing.

00:14:19.000 Now, here's the important part that I think Thomas Massey should have included.

00:14:23.000 Section 4, just below what I read, says, the term foreign adversary country means a country specified in Section 4872D2 of Title 10 U.S.

00:14:32.000 Code, which is specifically the Republic of North Korea, the Republic of China, Russian Federation, or the Islamic Republic of Iran.

00:14:39.000 That's it!

00:14:41.000 If there is a website application, augmentive whatever, blah blah blah, that is controlled and operated by those four countries, by individuals working or companies from those countries, or people working for those countries, they would have to divest that interest, otherwise companies in the United States would not be allowed to provide hosting services.

00:15:03.000 The app still exists.

00:15:04.000 The network still exists.

00:15:05.000 Anyone can still use it.

00:15:06.000 You can still go to all of the crazy Iranian social media websites you want without any limitation. 1.00

00:15:12.000 Except you can't download it on the App Store.

00:15:14.000 That's what's happening.

00:15:15.000 So unless Axe or Rumble was basically controlled and operated in the DPR Korea or the Islamic State of Russia, then nothing would happen with that.

00:15:28.000 So the only... and I don't see this being a real issue, but like, if a guy from China buys a bunch of public stock legally in the app, then they would go to them and say, hey, he has to sell that, I guess?

00:15:42.000 Well, what's interesting here is it's not even all applications coming from these countries.

00:15:46.000 It's applications that also pose a national security threat.

00:15:49.000 And when you really look at the App Store right now, and you try and look at, you know, what else could we add to this list?

00:15:54.000 Maybe WeChat, Lemonade, a subsidiary of ByteDance anyways.

00:15:58.000 Like, there really isn't much left.

00:16:00.000 We already established prior to the show starting, like, you can't even go after Telegram with this.

00:16:03.000 Like, that is one that they would all love to go after.

00:16:06.000 And it's not even included in this.

00:16:07.000 It's such a narrow frame.

00:16:09.000 And look, there's a super chat right here from Nick Terpetro who says, Tim, I seldom disagree with you, but the vagueness of this bill is terrifying.

00:16:15.000 It gives the president unilateral and plenary authority to ban any website or app they want.

00:16:20.000 No, it doesn't!

00:16:22.000 Look, man, it's mind-blowing when I see so many people marching in lockstep believing something that is not correct.

00:16:30.000 You can oppose the bill.

00:16:31.000 You can say, I don't think we should force TikTok to divest.

00:16:35.000 But the bill does not ban anything unless they refuse to divest from these countries or these individuals, which would mean Donald Trump or Joe Biden would have to come out and say, Rumble is being, Rumble, specifically this individual within Rumble who has control in this way, receives funding in this way from this country, he needs to stop doing that, otherwise we will restrict it from being hosted in the United States.

00:17:01.000 And then go, oh, okay, John, hey, that foreign agent contract you have, you gotta stop.

00:17:08.000 That's the first step.

00:17:09.000 It's got a judicial review section, right of action, a petition for review challenging this act or any action finding a determination under this act may be filed only in the state's courts of DC.

00:17:17.000 And a lot of people are saying, aha, but DC, that means it'll always go through because, you know, Democrats and censorship or whatever.

00:17:23.000 The United States Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia Circuit shall have exclusive jurisdiction over any challenge to the Act, finding, termination, etc., etc.

00:17:30.000 Statute of Limitations, a challenge may only be brought within 165 days.

00:17:35.000 The most important thing to understand, this bill only bans things as a... I can't think of the word.

00:17:45.000 Banning is an action taken in the event divestiture does not happen.

00:17:51.000 What the bill does is trigger a requirement for divestiture.

00:17:55.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 That's it.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, I thought the FCC member, I think his name is Brendan Carr, he had a pretty good thorough breakdown of this about explaining very clearly the hoops that have to be jumped through.

00:18:06.000 You know, it's really threading a needle, this legislation.

00:18:09.000 But in terms of the people that are losing their minds over this, I mean, these people are just traumatized by federal government legislation being weaponized in the past, right?

00:18:16.000 I understand there's probably some bad faith arguments, but there's also people like the Libertarians, which I cover.

00:18:21.000 I mean, they have...

00:18:23.000 They basically live with that trauma for a long time, you know, so they see this and they're just triggered instantly, right?

00:18:28.000 Which I kind of understand, I can sympathize with that, but it's not on the page.

00:18:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:33.000 I knew nothing about this until Tim explained that and like just listening to the last three minutes, there's so much criteria that would have to be met to qualify anything for this.

00:18:42.000 It seems totally reasonable to me.

00:18:43.000 Yeah, we all have PTSD of our government running afoul and using these pieces of legislation with crazy names to take away our rights.

00:18:51.000 There isn't even a single mention of the individual within this bill.

00:18:54.000 The Restrict Act got a ton of pushback because it could penalize an individual, it could give you a felony charge, all these different things.

00:19:01.000 Individual isn't even mentioned in here.

00:19:02.000 The only group penalized is a mega corporation.

00:19:05.000 So here's a tweet from Brendan Carr of the FCC.

00:19:08.000 He says, it would be concerning to many if the bill allowed this, in reference to Carlson.

00:19:12.000 It does not.

00:19:13.000 The text is definitive on this point.

00:19:15.000 The bill does not apply to just any social media platform.

00:19:18.000 Far from it.

00:19:19.000 Here is the only and targeted application.

00:19:21.000 One, if an individual user of the bill confers zero authority to the government over you.

00:19:25.000 Two, the bill only applies to applications controlled by one of four foreign adversary governments previously codified in law by Congress, China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia.

00:19:35.000 An act of Congress would be required to change that.

00:19:38.000 The bill is clear that it is not enough to merely have operations there or do business there.

00:19:42.000 It must be controlled by one of those four governments.

00:19:45.000 Even then, the bill only applies if the application presents a demonstrated and significant threat to national security.

00:19:50.000 Control by one of the foreign governments alone isn't even enough under the bill.

00:19:54.000 And then, only after public process provided and Congress reported to with a description of the specific national security threat.

00:20:01.000 Now, that number four doesn't mean much to me.

00:20:04.000 If a president wanted to make an argument for a threat, he's going to make his argument and Congress is going to go, oh, well, okay then.

00:20:09.000 So that doesn't mean a whole lot.

00:20:10.000 He says, every single one of those hoops and more must be cleared and met.

00:20:13.000 So it is very narrow.

00:20:14.000 It confers no authority to go after any other application, even if someone were to allege that it engaged in election interference.

00:20:21.000 So in the event X or rumble, Was accused of like, say, by Ocasio-Cortez to Joe Biden of interference, then he's going to say, what interest does this app have in one of these four nations?

00:20:34.000 And if so, what threat does this app pose to our national security?

00:20:38.000 And if so, then we'll start by asking them to divest from that individual or country.

00:20:45.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 I mean, really, think about what we know about ByteDance has originated entirely from leaked internal documents that have been given to journalists at Forbes.

00:20:53.000 We really don't even know a whole lot about this company.

00:20:55.000 We know a whole lot about X and Rumble, right?

00:20:57.000 They're American companies.

00:20:58.000 Rumble is publicly traded.

00:21:00.000 X was formerly publicly traded.

00:21:02.000 They have a lot of reporting requirements.

00:21:04.000 Americans are loudmouths, right? 1.00

00:21:05.000 We talk about everything.

00:21:07.000 We would know if these companies were compromised.

00:21:09.000 It would be a very clear paper trail.

00:21:12.000 There's just no pathway to this, and that's why this is so frustrating.

00:21:14.000 It's like we're talking in circles.

00:21:16.000 Let's start with this question.

00:21:19.000 Should a foreign country have the right to dictate to 170 million people in this country, not how many are actually active young people on the platform, but to millions of people in this country, what is culturally relevant? 0.63

00:21:33.000 Should the United States allow the Communist Party of China To set the standard for content in the United States for its young generation. 0.84

00:21:44.000 Guys, to all of these people who are saying like this bill is bad, I wonder how many of these exact same people have spammed the Yuri Bezmenov video about communists trying to infiltrate the country to infect the minds of our youth.

00:21:57.000 And then we see on TikTok, what do you get?

00:22:00.000 Dylan Mulvaney?

00:22:01.000 The easiest example, because so many people are so concerned about how this unwell individual generates 10 million plus followers.

00:22:08.000 They're intentionally jamming this stuff in the face of our young people to cause them self-harm.

00:22:14.000 Now, what happens?

00:22:16.000 Donald Trump says, we got to shut this down.

00:22:19.000 It's one of the most egregious censors.

00:22:21.000 It is one of the most woke, notorious woke up applications.

00:22:26.000 And Trump says, let's stop this because it's it's there.

00:22:29.000 They're tipping the scales against us.

00:22:31.000 Democrats don't care. 0.99

00:22:32.000 They say, no, we won't do it.

00:22:34.000 And for sure, what came out of that was not good.

00:22:37.000 Then Israel-Palestine happens. 0.90

00:22:40.000 And all of a sudden, you've got a bunch of politicians being like, wait, wait, wait.

00:22:44.000 China is showing, I think it's ten times more content of Palestine as the victims relative to Israel. 0.96

00:22:51.000 I'm not here to make an argument for either of these countries.

00:22:53.000 Because of that, now you get members of Congress saying, okay, now we finally agree, we want to make a move against this app.

00:23:01.000 They cite data capture as an issue, and that is a serious issue, because it allows, seriously, the Communist Party of China to determine who votes and who doesn't vote.

00:23:11.000 If you thought it was bad that Mark Zuckerberg put $500 million into elections, that Mark Zuckerberg can send out a... Dr. Robert Epstein told us.

00:23:21.000 In their test jurisdiction, when they're tracking election manipulation, 100% of Democrats got a reminder to go vote, and only, I think he said 59% of Republicans got one.

00:23:33.000 That is how you rig an election.

00:23:35.000 That's bad.

00:23:36.000 I think we should have legislation or something to stop Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Axe, anybody, Rumble, from doing things like that.

00:23:45.000 Why would we just be like, but it's okay that China does it.

00:23:49.000 All I can say is, You- baby steps, I guess?

00:23:53.000 I- I don't- I don't see how this bill could be done in literally any other way.

00:23:56.000 Seriously.

00:23:57.000 Unless it just outright said, like, for the purpose of this bill, TikTok is not allowed to operate in this country.

00:24:01.000 The crazy thing is the bill is not even that authoritarian.

00:24:03.000 It allows TikTok just to sell off its Chinese stake.

00:24:06.000 And then it can keep operating like normal.

00:24:08.000 It's actually kind of weak.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, well you think about how nice of a gesture this is for a country that has been collecting troves of data, who has been surveilling American journalists, you know, tracing down their sources inside of China and harassing them, you know, sending blackout challenge videos to 12-year-olds encouraging them to kill themselves, encouraging young girls to become anorexic, you know, posting all of this, you know, vile content that we're taking in every single day and we're still allowing them to profit off of it. 0.71

00:24:36.000 Let's answer this question, because people are really trying to understand this.

00:24:39.000 And I think what's happening is, a lot of people are hearing talking points from social media pundits who did not read the bill.

00:24:48.000 So Nick Terpstra says, Tim, what does this mean then?

00:24:54.000 Quote, a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary and has been determined by the president to present a significant threat to national security.

00:25:02.000 Sure.

00:25:03.000 It means it's a social media app that is controlled by North Korea, China, Iran, or Russia.

00:25:09.000 The president must determine it's a national security threat, provide a report to Congress, and then If this enforcement action moves forward, said social media app unfortunately must sell off the portion of its company or divest from these foreign nations.

00:25:28.000 It doesn't even ban them! 0.99

00:25:30.000 Only if they don't do it.

00:25:31.000 So TikTok, a portion of it is owned by China.

00:25:36.000 When you operate a company in China, you have to be under the Communist Party.

00:25:41.000 They would never allow the US to do that in their country.

00:25:44.000 And they have, I believe, a board seat, is that correct?

00:25:46.000 Correct, yeah, 1% ownership stake and a board seat.

00:25:48.000 And so this bill is basically like, hey, TikTok, that 1% stake has to be sold off

00:25:55.000 and that guy can't be on the board.

00:25:57.000 That's what the bill says.

00:25:58.000 That's it.

00:25:59.000 And for all other apps, it would mean that in the event a social media app, website, destination, etc., that it has to meet all the criteria of a social media platform, meaning, I believe it has to have more than a million users.

00:26:11.000 It does, yeah.

00:26:11.000 You have to be able to log in.

00:26:13.000 You have to be able to post content.

00:26:15.000 The content has to be shared by the platform to other users who get to log in and view it.

00:26:19.000 Very specific.

00:26:21.000 In that circumstance, if A percentage of the company is owned or controlled by individuals in one of four countries.

00:26:30.000 The president can submit a report demanding that they divest from that country.

00:26:35.000 That's it?! !

00:26:36.000 Right.

00:26:37.000 So they basically they're just saying like you can't you could still turn TikTok into a you're constantly spamming all this stuff but you just can't do it to people personalized once they log in.

00:26:37.000 That's it?

00:26:48.000 No.

00:26:48.000 Unless you give up the one communist party seat that's in in this company right now in China also.

00:26:56.000 It's it's it's kind of wild that you know when when Tom Cotton was interviewing the CEO of TikTok He asked him very good questions.

00:27:04.000 Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

00:27:05.000 He's like, no, I'm from Singapore.

00:27:07.000 Have you ever served or worked with?

00:27:08.000 No, I'm from Singapore.

00:27:09.000 Oh, geez, I can't believe I'm being asked these questions.

00:27:12.000 That guy led investment rounds for many Chinese owned companies.

00:27:16.000 So it's a good question to ask. 1.00

00:27:17.000 And then you get a bunch of young leftists being like, Tom Cotton is so stupid. 1.00

00:27:22.000 Why would he ask such a dumb question? 1.00

00:27:25.000 If this bill passes, and it likely will, what is likely going to happen, or I should say, I don't know if it'll happen because TikTok is saying they won't do it, right? 0.95

00:27:35.000 Yeah, they're saying they're not going to divest, which, you know, you gotta just see it through.

00:27:38.000 We won't know until it's on.

00:27:39.000 So think about this.

00:27:40.000 TikTok, with all of its claims about how big its platform is, and I don't know if I believe their claims, in my personal opinion, it seems fishy to me that TikTok would have as many users as they claim to have.

00:27:52.000 They would be willing to shut their company down in the United States instead of selling off a 1% stake.

00:27:59.000 That makes no sense.

00:28:00.000 Well, you know, it wouldn't be like a $100 billion transfer if they sold to a U.S.

00:28:04.000 company.

00:28:04.000 Like, proper divestment.

00:28:06.000 This is a massive sale, and that's when a lot of the speculation has been floating around of, like, who's gonna buy it.

00:28:11.000 There's plenty of bidders out there.

00:28:12.000 Yeah, well, it's like even Sam Altman has, you know, name has been thrown out for this.

00:28:16.000 But, you know, it really begs the question of, like, what is there that you're not comfortable divesting from?

00:28:22.000 It is not the monetary value.

00:28:24.000 It is the access to the American people.

00:28:26.000 It becomes very clear that that is what they are trying desperately to hold on to.

00:28:30.000 It's the ability to send you a push notification.

00:28:33.000 I'm not a hardcore libertarian where I'd sit back and be like, I think it's perfect.

00:28:38.000 I can't imagine why someone would think it's perfectly acceptable.

00:28:42.000 That China can manipulate and interfere in our elections directly. 0.86

00:28:46.000 And I've heard every argument about, oh, Facebook and Twitter were interfering and Russia was interfering.

00:28:52.000 Russia posting memes? 0.68

00:28:54.000 Spare me.

00:28:55.000 China having a board seat and control of an app that is pushing the likes of Dylan Mulvaney on the young generation?

00:29:02.000 Okay, fine.

00:29:02.000 You think this bill is bad?

00:29:03.000 I still think we need to take action to limit TikTok or have it divest from the Chinese Communist Party.

00:29:10.000 But if, look, this is the issue I take with most of the libertarians is that they're like, yes, the communists are crossing the southern border and they're, Yuri Bezmenov was right, they're trying to overthrow American institutions, but we should not take enforcement action against them because of free speech.

00:29:26.000 Or TikTok isn't breaking the NAP, non-aggressive principle, so.

00:29:30.000 And there's open border libertarians that will probably make that argument, oddly enough.

00:29:33.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 So all I can say is this.

00:29:36.000 You're allowed to not agree with this bill.

00:29:37.000 We don't have to see eye to eye.

00:29:39.000 But I can tell you that 99% of the pundits on social media that are sharing snippets from this haven't read it.

00:29:47.000 Because when they're saying things like it could ban a website, I'm like, no, no, no, no.

00:29:51.000 It could ban a website run directly by the government of one of four countries.

00:29:55.000 And if a North Korean guy somehow got a website from his country, a social media platform, And with a million users!

00:30:04.000 That's the craziest thing!

00:30:05.000 There's no way!

00:30:07.000 The absurdity of what people are saying is the president could ban any website that's based in Iran that is a social media platform with more than a million users and I'm like... If they don't divest!

00:30:19.000 Yeah, if they don't divest.

00:30:22.000 It's very strange to me to see so many high-profile people attacking this and it makes no sense.

00:30:29.000 Yeah, well, I think, you know, corporate interest in DC is very compelling.

00:30:33.000 A lot of money is flowing and those people who we view as, you know, great stewards of our message in many instances can be swayed by these things.

00:30:40.000 And, you know, it's a shame that it is that way.

00:30:42.000 I think, you know, you look at the big tech legislation that we've tried to pass over the last like 10 years, every single bill fails, right?

00:30:49.000 Like it is not just TikTok.

00:30:50.000 It is every company.

00:30:51.000 They come to DC and they make all these big spends.

00:30:54.000 But this is the right thing to do.

00:30:55.000 This is for the American people.

00:30:56.000 It makes us safer.

00:30:57.000 It makes your son and daughter's data safe and secure in the States.

00:31:01.000 And that is really what this is about.

00:31:02.000 It's about basically putting America first and ensuring that we're not digitally vulnerable to our foremost adversary.

00:31:09.000 Mm-hmm.

00:31:10.000 I mean, but the thing is, even though they failed the reading test, I do tend to sympathize with these people that see a bipartisan piece of legislation with this much support and they just start seething, you know?

00:31:19.000 And they probably can't even read straight, you know?

00:31:21.000 Their vision's getting blurry because they're seeing this happen.

00:31:23.000 And, you know, like I said earlier, but yeah.

00:31:26.000 I mean, you guys are making a good point.

00:31:28.000 I follow up.

00:31:29.000 I think there's a very clear pathway at this point.

00:31:34.000 Unfortunately, it looks like the Democrats will likely get the victory out of this, and I think this is a Republican issue.

00:31:40.000 I think this is something that we took the lead on.

00:31:42.000 You know, the Trump executive order set the tone here.

00:31:44.000 The Heritage Foundation, where I work, we were sounding the alarm well before the Trump executive order.

00:31:48.000 As early as like 2018 we were making waves about this.

00:31:52.000 This should have been a Republican victory and we are just giving it to the Democrats.

00:31:56.000 That's unfortunate but it's the reality and it doesn't mean we shouldn't pass this.

00:32:00.000 It is a win for the American people at the end of the day. 0.72

00:32:03.000 Well, we'll see, but let's jump to some of the other big news of the day.

00:32:06.000 We have this one from the Washington Post.

00:32:09.000 Georgia judge dismisses six charges in Trump election interference case.

00:32:13.000 He now faces 10 charges instead of 13.

00:32:16.000 He is still accused of criminally conspiring to try to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

00:32:21.000 This is interesting.

00:32:22.000 So I think, yes, it dismissed six of the 41 counts in the indictment against Trump and his allies from 47 to 41.

00:32:28.000 And I think, like, the principle, the main dismissal here is, like, that phone call where he said, find me, you know, find me the votes.

00:32:36.000 The left came out and the Democrats, they were like, find me.

00:32:39.000 He's saying to make them.

00:32:40.000 And I was like, or he's saying, like, count the votes and recount them and figure out what happened or what's going on.

00:32:47.000 It's just that simple.

00:32:49.000 But a lot of people are saying that this is an indication that he's not going to dismiss Fonny Willis.

00:32:54.000 And so, it's big news.

00:32:56.000 I don't know what there is to really say about it other than, like, we get what's going on in this country.

00:33:01.000 The country's being ripped apart.

00:33:03.000 I do actually, you know, throwing it back to the previous segment, I think it's funny that we have a bipartisan effort in this TikTok divestment bill.

00:33:12.000 Why would anyone in this country actually find common ground on something that's very strange, especially when stuff like this is happening?

00:33:18.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a total sham show trial that they're just targeting our leader, right?

00:33:21.000 I mean, it's as clear as day at this point.

00:33:24.000 There is really no merit to the case.

00:33:25.000 They are making one out of thin air, and they're trying to drain resources.

00:33:29.000 Did you see the Robert Herr testimony?

00:33:31.000 Just snippets.

00:33:32.000 Obviously, it's more TikTok related to this today.

00:33:34.000 Right, right, right.

00:33:35.000 Yeah, and so seeing this, you know, we had Kurt Mills on the show yesterday in the Members Only, we argued a bit.

00:33:43.000 I just feel like Republicans do absolutely nothing.

00:33:46.000 And someone commented, Republicans hold office, Democrats hold power.

00:33:51.000 And I was like, yeah, that sounds about right.

00:33:55.000 That's exactly what's going on.

00:33:56.000 The challenge, I guess, is when Kurt and I were discussing the issue of abortion on the Members Only show, His attitude was very much political victories are more important than moral victories.

00:34:08.000 And so what I see with the Republican Party is a bunch of...

00:34:12.000 Uh, conservative morals wearing a moderate mask to try and convince people they're moderates.

00:34:17.000 And I'm just confused by that.

00:34:20.000 You know, with Donald Trump and the MAGA party, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene have no problem telling you what their morals are. 0.87

00:34:20.000 I'm confused. 0.87

00:34:26.000 They will strongly stand by them.

00:34:28.000 They'll say, you know, no, abortion is bad, I don't care.

00:34:30.000 But then there are a lot of people in the Republican Party who play the game of trying to be friends with Democrats who despise and hate them.

00:34:37.000 And will criminally charge them in seconds.

00:34:40.000 Lock them in gulags.

00:34:42.000 But they're trying to win by masking their morals and not making an argument for why their morals are right.

00:34:49.000 How is there supposed to be any right-wing victory ever if there's quite literally just a center and a left arguing over what to do?

00:34:56.000 Yeah, well, it's like we're scared to own that we're conservative, right?

00:34:58.000 You walk around town and everyone wants to be invited to the party.

00:35:01.000 They like to play nice, so they get to go to the nice fancy fundraisers.

00:35:05.000 And that really just hurts the middle Americans that are actually sending these representatives there to get legislation across the finish line, and it never materializes.

00:35:13.000 And we get these political victories that are signaling bills, and they change a couple of words.

00:35:19.000 But when morale is so low in this country, when the former president is on trial, you need moral victories.

00:35:24.000 You need morale to be boosted across the country.

00:35:28.000 People don't go out to the ballot box, right?

00:35:30.000 You actually have to show that things are getting better.

00:35:32.000 Ride the metro, right?

00:35:33.000 It is an absolute mess in this country.

00:35:36.000 You can't walk downtown.

00:35:38.000 Our daughters, you send off to college and they never come home.

00:35:41.000 Who is going to the ballot box, right?

00:35:44.000 That is really where things start to hit the fan.

00:35:47.000 We have to look in the mirror and ask ourselves, when will you get the morale lift?

00:35:51.000 Because it doesn't come from these little political bills.

00:35:54.000 Right.

00:35:55.000 You know, I see with, uh, when the George Floyd incident happened, a bunch of conservatives came out and they were like, wow, this is really bad.

00:36:01.000 We're here.

00:36:02.000 We stand with the left.

00:36:03.000 And then once things started to become clear, many of them were like, okay, wait a minute.

00:36:06.000 Something else is going on here.

00:36:08.000 But then the Ahmaud Arbery thing happened, and a whole bunch of conservatives went, see, this proves we're not racist.

00:36:14.000 And I was like, why are you trying to prove to communists that you're not racist, instead of standing on your morals and telling them to shut up?

00:36:21.000 So you got all these people in the middle of the road, and they have only one moral framework being argued to them, it's leftist.

00:36:29.000 Many people on the right are refusing to engage because they're like, but then I won't get any votes.

00:36:34.000 And I'm like, okay, well then the run-of-the-mill individual in this country does not hear the moral argument at all and can't even agree with it because they don't know it exists.

00:36:42.000 So, if your position is that abortion is bad and should be outlawed completely, but you feel like, I would never win if I said that, so you only ever argue it should be restricted, great.

00:36:53.000 The average person hears two arguments.

00:36:55.000 Unrestricted and lightly restricted.

00:36:57.000 And then no one has ever made the point to them, maybe we shouldn't allow it at all.

00:37:02.000 This is what we end up seeing with the criminal charges against Trump.

00:37:06.000 Why don't Republicans criminally charge Joe Biden?

00:37:09.000 Well, because it could be bad for them and they might not win an election.

00:37:12.000 It's more important to win the election.

00:37:13.000 And I'm like, maybe for the average person in this country, they need to see Joe Biden put in cuffs so they can be convinced he's done things wrong.

00:37:23.000 And so long as Republicans keep saying, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.

00:37:26.000 Otherwise we won't win.

00:37:27.000 Then the American people just see Donald Trump being arrested and think he must be guilty.

00:37:31.000 And Joe Biden doesn't, he must be innocent.

00:37:33.000 Right, it's like the left is always appealing to emotions, and I feel like the Republicans are trying not to do that, but there is kind of like a fine... there's a middle ground where you kind of have to do that at some point, like it's not always the best to not just use logic and reasoning to...

00:37:48.000 To get to people, but you have to, in this case, I feel like.

00:37:51.000 Well, it's like, we have all these promises of these impeachment trials and these investigations, and, you know, we've done a lot of investigations, but where are the impeachment trials?

00:37:59.000 Now, suddenly, we're, you know, months away from Election Day, and we have, like, a one-seat majority due to all these, like, sudden retirements.

00:38:05.000 And so, we just totally piss away everything we worked for, and now we don't even have a pathway to actualize, materialize any of these things.

00:38:11.000 So, you campaign, and then you just go, we'll get them next time, right?

00:38:14.000 And it's like, At a certain point, people stop believing there's going to be a next time.

00:38:18.000 And that is kind of where we're at.

00:38:20.000 Morale is very low.

00:38:21.000 We do not think things are going to get better.

00:38:23.000 And there needs to be a figurehead, a leader, that is going to pull us out of it.

00:38:27.000 It's Trump, and that's why they're going after him.

00:38:30.000 That's why I feel like the end result of all this is just things get bad.

00:38:34.000 To what degree, I don't know, you know, but that's why I'm always saying that culture is

00:38:39.000 substantially more important. That's why TikTok is so dangerous. It completely undermines cultural

00:38:44.000 efforts from those opposing the woke machine, and it's foreign controlled, so you can't even do

00:38:49.000 proper FOIA requests against them to figure out what's going on. Like, you're ever gonna get,

00:38:54.000 you know, with, uh, let me say this.

00:38:57.000 If TikTok is forced to divest, and they actually do, and you get rumble or some American interest buying it, Imagine the emails that get released.

00:39:08.000 You thought the Twitter files were wild?

00:39:09.000 Wait for the TikTok files.

00:39:11.000 Force them to divest so that we get an American company, and you know what?

00:39:16.000 The funny thing is, you'll get Democrats on board with it.

00:39:18.000 You know why?

00:39:19.000 Because it's going to show the Chinese Communist Party saying things like, we want to manipulate, we want to interfere, and even Democrats are going to be like, we can earn brownie points with this, publish it. 0.90

00:39:27.000 Or you'll find out that what you were thinking about, the potentially not realness of all these people, That could be a thing. Yeah, well, you know, what's really

00:39:36.000 interesting here is just like the Facebook files and the Twitter files, there are likely

00:39:39.000 TikTok files where the White House was in active communication with a Chinese-owned enterprise like

00:39:44.000 TikTok on the basis of content moderation.

00:39:46.000 You look back a couple of Earth days ago, and the TikTok app actually banned climate denialism,

00:39:52.000 and it totally stopped any of the messaging on banning TikTok in the States.

00:39:57.000 And that is a concession, right?

00:39:58.000 You look at the fact pattern of the Facebook files and the Twitter files, it stopped all criticisms of the content moderation regime.

00:40:04.000 They did the exact same playbook and suddenly TikTok is like in clean, totally good standing.

00:40:09.000 And then it takes, you know, a crisis to basically bring it back into question.

00:40:13.000 And that is where we're at.

00:40:14.000 And there are definitely interesting skeletons to be unearthed in the case of a divestment.

00:40:18.000 I actually think, you know, just to bring these stories together, the TikTok thing is a really great example of why there is no real right wing in this country.

00:40:26.000 There is no organized, unified structure sharing an ideology that wants to accomplish anything.

00:40:31.000 Doesn't exist.

00:40:32.000 The left has it.

00:40:34.000 AOC will say whatever they tell her to say.

00:40:36.000 I mean, she just wants to be there.

00:40:38.000 So Democrats, just, I mean, there's a viral video of these two young girls being interviewed, and they're asked how many genders there are.

00:40:48.000 One girl starts answering, the other girl says, no, no, stop, don't say that on camera.

00:40:51.000 Maybe it's fake, I don't know.

00:40:52.000 But those things certainly are real, and I've experienced one of them, like it happened to me when a woman was speaking to me on camera and then tried to get me to delete the, no, no, no, delete that, delete that, you can't show that.

00:41:01.000 They are terrified to oppose the machine.

00:41:04.000 On the right, it's just infighting all day, every day, nonstop.

00:41:07.000 And I'm sitting here wondering why we can't get criminal charges on Joe Biden, despite knowing for a fact he committed a crime.

00:41:18.000 All elements of the crime were met, and he expressed intent and expressed his desire for financial gain from taking the documents and sharing them, which is an additional crime.

00:41:31.000 No charges.

00:41:32.000 None.

00:41:33.000 And what's the argument for it?

00:41:34.000 That we don't want to charge Biden because then he might win in November?

00:41:38.000 And I'm like, Democrats literally go around mercilessly beating people.

00:41:44.000 And I don't mean like Nancy Pelosi, I mean like progressive left-aligned and Democrat-aligned nonprofits and activists will go out and they'll beat people while advocating for Joe Biden. 0.86

00:41:54.000 When you had people protesting in front of a hospital, protesting masks, Antifa should have beat the crap out of them and got into a fight.

00:42:01.000 And it's like, they are willing to fight and beat people for this. 0.67

00:42:04.000 And Republicans are like, don't tell anyone your opinion.

00:42:06.000 Otherwise, they might vote the other way.

00:42:08.000 My question to all the Republicans who think you shouldn't express your direct opinion, and I don't think it's this audience for the most part.

00:42:14.000 My question is, why do you think it is the average person disagrees with your worldview?

00:42:19.000 Do you think you were wrong?

00:42:21.000 Is the reason why you're unwilling to criminally charge Joe Biden out of fear that you're wrong to do so?

00:42:29.000 If you are right and you are justified, it should be easy to explain why you're right and you're justified in doing it.

00:42:35.000 Yet for some reason, it doesn't happen.

00:42:37.000 Yeah.

00:42:38.000 I mean, it's really interesting.

00:42:39.000 You know, you're always told in DC, you know, this just isn't the right time.

00:42:42.000 You have this perfect bill, but you know, just give us a couple more months.

00:42:45.000 The political climate will be better.

00:42:46.000 It'll pass with flying colors.

00:42:48.000 And it's like the exact same fact pattern here with the Biden trials.

00:42:50.000 You get all this great evidence and like, just give us one more month.

00:42:54.000 Well, it's not relevant anymore.

00:42:55.000 It will strike when it's right.

00:42:57.000 And it just never happens.

00:42:58.000 And now we're at the end of this Congress.

00:43:00.000 You know, it's coming to a close.

00:43:01.000 They're all going to leave to go campaign.

00:43:03.000 Nothing really is going to happen until Election Day.

00:43:05.000 And we didn't get anything.

00:43:07.000 And so, like, what compels you to go vote again?

00:43:08.000 You know, if the time is never right.

00:43:11.000 We had the majority.

00:43:12.000 Now we have one seat left.

00:43:13.000 Like, when are you ever going to actually get a win?

00:43:17.000 And it's not clear.

00:43:19.000 Even if Donald Trump wins in November.

00:43:22.000 And when you look at the congressional general ballot polling, it's looking favorable for Republicans.

00:43:28.000 But Trump might win, and you still might lose Congress.

00:43:30.000 Because what could happen is a lot of people say, Joe Biden, now I'm voting for Donald Trump.

00:43:35.000 But I don't like Republicans, so I'm going to vote for the Democrat in my district because he seems like a nice guy.

00:43:40.000 Then you end up with Trump who can't do anything.

00:43:44.000 They impeach him again instantly.

00:43:46.000 They declare him an insurrectionist and they will do everything.

00:43:49.000 It's wild that Democrats can have... Republicans had the same majority as Democrats did when they won in 2022 and they did nothing.

00:43:57.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:43:57.000 Yeah.

00:43:58.000 Democrats impeached Trump twice.

00:43:59.000 Yeah.

00:44:00.000 That's wild.

00:44:02.000 All right, well, let's jump to some cultural news.

00:44:05.000 We have this from Valuetainment.

00:44:08.000 This one I found to be completely shocking when the news broke a couple hours ago.

00:44:12.000 Chris Cuomo joins Valuetainment.

00:44:15.000 This is Patrick Bette David's show, and he hired Chris Cuomo.

00:44:20.000 And I don't know why.

00:44:22.000 And it's a shocking move, and I'm seeing a lot of people now, we even got some superchats already for people calling for the boycott of Patrick Bette David's show over this.

00:44:32.000 I don't know about that.

00:44:32.000 I mean, maybe I wouldn't watch if Chris Cuomo was on it, but that's mostly because he's not entertaining to watch.

00:44:37.000 Perhaps their numbers were good.

00:44:39.000 I really doubt it. 0.99

00:44:40.000 I do not understand the move in bringing on this piece of human garbage into Valuetainment. 0.96

00:44:47.000 I like Patrick by David. 0.96

00:44:48.000 He's a smart guy.

00:44:48.000 He's a good guy.

00:44:49.000 He got a standing ovation.

00:44:51.000 He lit the crowd up at our Miami event with his passion speech about, you know, Christians, you gotta stop tolerating evil and letting these people do what they want. 1.00

00:44:59.000 And then he hires Chris Cuomo.

00:45:01.000 So I'll tell you my thoughts on this before I show you the response from Patrick by David.

00:45:07.000 Chris Cuomo helped defend his brother Andrew when Andrew Cuomo ordered that confirmed COVID patients be placed in nursing homes.

00:45:16.000 Nursing homes could not turn them away.

00:45:18.000 This is estimated to have resulted in... I don't like Letitia James, so let's argue from the low end, 8,500 individuals, up to the high end of 15,000. 0.96

00:45:26.000 Letitia James led the investigation into Andrew Cuomo and found that his orders killed up to 15,000.

00:45:33.000 I believe that was her report.

00:45:33.000 She said 15,000.

00:45:36.000 Now, Cuomo argues it was guidance from the Trump administration, but even PolitiFact says that is not true.

00:45:43.000 The reality is Cuomo likely did not want to give Trump a victory, so he ordered these people into the nursing home, ordered the nursing homes not to turn them away, and killed 15,000 people.

00:45:51.000 Maybe 8,500, but if you believe Letitia James, 15,000.

00:45:55.000 He was going on Chris Cuomo, his brother's show in a direct conflict of interest, and

00:45:59.000 they're making jokes and laughing.

00:46:01.000 While Chris Cuomo said one, protests don't need to be peaceful, defending violent riots

00:46:06.000 sweeping across this country.

00:46:07.000 Chris Cuomo advocated for the stripping of your rights and freedoms.

00:46:11.000 And then Chris Cuomo pretended to be in quarantine, went out to his property with his family,

00:46:17.000 got confronted by a guy who said, aren't you supposed to be in quarantine?

00:46:21.000 Cuomo then went on his radio show on Sirius XM and said, why do I got to deal with this

00:46:25.000 guy coming up to me and saying these things, confirming it happened.

00:46:29.000 And then one week later on CNN, he goes, it's official.

00:46:32.000 Here it is.

00:46:33.000 I get to leave my basement. 1.00

00:46:34.000 The dude is a duplicitous liar who has no following, who generates nothing, who lies, 0.98

00:46:42.000 who advocates against the rights of the American people and the world, who opposes your rights 0.98

00:46:47.000 and medical freedom.

00:46:48.000 And for some reason, I have no idea why Patrick, but David value, Tame and said, we're going

00:46:52.000 to hire this guy.

00:46:53.000 Bye.

00:46:55.000 Well, I'd like to turn this black pill into a white pill if I can. 0.98

00:46:58.000 Okay, I think this problem is going to sort itself out, and it's going to happen really fast.

00:47:01.000 Because, okay, so he doesn't have an audience.

00:47:03.000 I'm not convinced that he has an audience to speak of.

00:47:05.000 We were going through his Twitter, there's nobody there.

00:47:07.000 But the people, if he does have an audience, it's the lazy corporatists that slop on, they still pay for cable, and they slop on CNN, and they're like, oh yeah, Cuomo's on, I guess I'll watch him.

00:47:17.000 They're not going to follow Chris Cuomo to wherever he is, you know?

00:47:20.000 So I think the numbers, Patrick Matt David says he believes capitalism.

00:47:24.000 I think it's gonna, I think it's gonna play out just fine.

00:47:25.000 It's kind of weird though because like...

00:47:28.000 Other than music stuff, I watch a lot of law and crime, and I started seeing Cuomo pop up on NewsNation one day, and I'm like, okay, he's trying to reinvent himself just using his law degree as an attorney.

00:47:37.000 100%, maybe this is going to be mostly factual-based arguments and stuff, but then as I watched NewsNation, I'm like, I don't actually think that person's guilty, and they're all jumping to obvious conclusions.

00:47:49.000 This is the CNN of law and crime news, and it's so weird.

00:47:52.000 NewsNation is?

00:47:53.000 Well, to me, yeah.

00:47:55.000 Like, I used to watch them a lot, and I'm like, This is, they're saying this guy's guilty, they're releasing fake things of evidence and stuff that they're later retracting, and it's just, that's par for the course for like a Cuomo place, so it's scary.

00:48:09.000 You know, maybe X is not a good indicator of audience, but like, here's from March 10th, Chris Cuomo with one retweet, here's one with nine retweets, here's one with two retweets, six retweets, one?

00:48:22.000 Fourteen?

00:48:24.000 I'll tell you what Chris Cuomo is.

00:48:26.000 He's propped up by CNN.

00:48:28.000 He has no following.

00:48:30.000 He's not... If he put on a show and said, I'll be at a coffee shop, nobody would show up.

00:48:36.000 Literally no one would show up if he was like, hey, I'm gonna be at this local coffee shop, hanging out, come hang out.

00:48:42.000 Nobody shows up.

00:48:43.000 Maybe one guy passes by and says, oh yeah, I saw Twitter, that's cool, anyway, see you later.

00:48:47.000 He can't sell out a venue.

00:48:48.000 I don't understand the move and why it's being made.

00:48:51.000 So anyway, Patrick Bet David responded to me saying, I like the guy.

00:48:54.000 He's a very smart guy.

00:48:54.000 He's a very good guy.

00:48:55.000 But this is a mistake.

00:48:56.000 This is unquestionably a mistake.

00:48:57.000 His argument is that Cuomo brings in another side.

00:48:59.000 along. I'm extremely comfortable being misunderstood before the market validates

00:49:03.000 our vision. I respect your impatience with our vision. In the meantime, keep kicking ass." 0.98

00:49:07.000 I like the guy. He's a very smart guy. He's a very good guy. 1.00

00:49:10.000 But this is a mistake.

00:49:11.000 This is unquestionably a mistake. His argument is that Cuomo brings in another side. You know,

00:49:17.000 the argument, I guess, is that Cuomo represents the Democrat voter and they want to reach those people.

00:49:23.000 But he doesn't.

00:49:24.000 Nobody watches Cuomo.

00:49:25.000 What are his ratings on NewsNation?

00:49:27.000 Like 10k?

00:49:28.000 If that?

00:49:28.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 Well, I think, you know, you made an interesting point there of like, uh, will his audience even follow him?

00:49:33.000 You know, what audience does he have?

00:49:35.000 The audience didn't follow him once he left CNN and, you know, it just continues to fall off.

00:49:40.000 And now he's at this new home and in theory he's bringing in this new side, but like really there's nothing left. 0.96

00:49:45.000 And I really don't know why we're participating in this like brand rehabilitation for such a sick, horrible person.

00:49:50.000 Um, that was part of, as you mentioned, this horrible crisis in New York. 0.97

00:49:54.000 I mean, he's evil!

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 Horrible.

00:49:57.000 This is not a question of, like, I disagree with this man. 0.99

00:49:59.000 No, this is an evil guy.

00:50:01.000 He was saying you should be locked in your house.

00:50:03.000 You should be forced to be vaccinated.

00:50:04.000 You should be forced to be masked.

00:50:06.000 Violent riots are a good thing.

00:50:09.000 He's the reason why we got that viral video where the kid was eating the ramen who said it's right there in the First Amendment.

00:50:14.000 He says, who says protests have to be peaceful?

00:50:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:17.000 And he's like, it's right there in the First Amendment.

00:50:19.000 Peaceably assemble.

00:50:20.000 This is a guy who propagandized for his brother who murdered people.

00:50:24.000 This is a guy who advocated you should have no rights.

00:50:26.000 It's a guy who lied to your face and pretended to be under quarantine to advocate for authoritarian lockdowns.

00:50:32.000 He should be, look, by all means, interview the guy, but hiring him?

00:50:37.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:50:38.000 It makes you really wonder what this vision is that he's mentioning, right?

00:50:41.000 What role is he going to play at Talent Roster?

00:50:43.000 Talent Roster, that's hilarious.

00:50:46.000 Talent Roster.

00:50:48.000 Well, no, like, he's in the rotating group of talent.

00:50:50.000 So he'll be appearing on the show periodically.

00:50:52.000 I don't see, yeah, I don't see it.

00:51:00.000 No.

00:51:00.000 PBD goes CNN.

00:51:02.000 Congratulations, I guess.

00:51:04.000 He's got to elaborate on his vision, I guess.

00:51:05.000 I'm trying to think of like a positive to bring to this, but it's very difficult.

00:51:10.000 It won't last.

00:51:10.000 There's no way it's going to last.

00:51:11.000 I can't imagine it will!

00:51:12.000 So yeah, this is going to sort itself out.

00:51:14.000 Well, there are already people saying boycott PBD.

00:51:17.000 He's got a big show.

00:51:17.000 He's got one of the biggest shows in the world with with Valuetainment.

00:51:20.000 But I can't quite understand a move like this.

00:51:26.000 An interview would have been cool.

00:51:27.000 They did an interview.

00:51:28.000 They did?

00:51:28.000 They did a couple.

00:51:29.000 I know he's been doing the interview rounds, but... I noticed that too.

00:51:33.000 Strange.

00:51:34.000 Did you guys watch the Tucker Carlson Cuomo thing?

00:51:36.000 I haven't.

00:51:36.000 Just the highlights.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, I've not seen it either.

00:51:39.000 Probably should watch it because I don't know whether or not he's ever been challenged on faking quarantine.

00:51:44.000 I'd be willing to bet that whenever he's booked, he's like, don't bring up quarantine.

00:51:48.000 I think I saw a clip where Tucker kind of brings it up in passing, but the whole, all the clips that I saw, they're just like yucking it up and having a good time and kind of ribbing each other.

00:51:55.000 Like it didn't seem like a legitimate, like we're going, I'm going to hold you to questions.

00:51:58.000 I'm going to talk to you about having your bloodthirsty brother on air and then joking with him with prop humor.

00:52:02.000 Remember how he had the giant tips, just indefensible, indefensible.

00:52:07.000 Yeah.

00:52:08.000 The clip I saw from Tucker was, uh, he, Cuomo asked him, like, what did you, like, what, what, what issue did you take with my positions?

00:52:15.000 And Tucker was like, medical freedom.

00:52:17.000 And I was like, oh, mine was the, your brother murdered people and you helped cover it up.

00:52:22.000 And you know, like you lied about being in quarantine.

00:52:26.000 Did he ever apologize for that or take responsibility?

00:52:28.000 People like Chris Cuomo don't apologize.

00:52:30.000 They don't apologize.

00:52:31.000 Andrew Cuomo blamed Trump saying it was Trump's guidelines to do this.

00:52:34.000 It was a bunch of Democrat governors who murdered a bunch of people during COVID.

00:52:38.000 And I think the worrying thing to me is that people are forgetting.

00:52:42.000 They're forgetting just how bad things really were.

00:52:45.000 And they want to.

00:52:45.000 And I can understand wanting to.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:52:48.000 It's that memory hole effect, right?

00:52:49.000 Everyone always talks about it.

00:52:50.000 Where did the X incident disappear to?

00:52:54.000 And they happen almost, it feels like, on a weekly basis now.

00:52:56.000 I remember waking up in the morning and watching Trump give, like, because he was the president at the time, and I would basically live to listen to what was going on, and then they, like, just stopped covering him one day, and then all you had left was Cuomo, and they would start out with the death count.

00:53:12.000 Yeah.

00:53:12.000 Like, now I'm forced to get my information from Andrew Cuomo.

00:53:16.000 The death count.

00:53:17.000 Man, it's so wild.

00:53:18.000 CNN had a side of the screen dedicated to showing you, like, death.

00:53:22.000 Stay inside, because here's why.

00:53:25.000 If you want a really bizarre experience, check out Tom Woods' new book.

00:53:29.000 It came out a few months ago, and Tom Woods was debunking this in real time with his newsletters, starting in March of, like, 2020.

00:53:35.000 And this book is just, like, 400-page compendium of all of his newsletters, and it takes you through.

00:53:40.000 And as I was reading, I was just like, God, like, I had memories that were just unlocking, you know?

00:53:44.000 But he was—at least one person was keeping track, you know?

00:53:47.000 That's good.

00:53:47.000 Yeah.

00:53:47.000 And it's really fascinating to see, like, what we all went through and, like, where we're at now.

00:53:52.000 Isn't it crazy that it's 2024?

00:53:53.000 Yeah, I don't believe it.

00:53:54.000 Wow.

00:53:56.000 Can't accept it.

00:53:56.000 Man, the crazy thing as I was reading a segment, because, you know, I guess the other big news is that Trump is the official nominee now.

00:54:02.000 He got the delegates.

00:54:04.000 And so the RNC will come and then they'll officially announce it, but he's got the delegates.

00:54:08.000 And they're talking about how Gen Z is the highest, has the highest Trump favorability.

00:54:13.000 The craziest thing.

00:54:15.000 Gen Z of all age demographics has the highest rate of support for Donald Trump.

00:54:22.000 Sixty-four percent.

00:54:23.000 Well, I'm Gen Z, right?

00:54:24.000 And I think, you know, we've been put through hell.

00:54:26.000 You know, you look at our education pathway, starting at essentially kindergarten was this, like, introduction of all sorts of craziness, and you make it through university, and they never relent.

00:54:35.000 They just keep going after you, and they throw you into the workforce.

00:54:38.000 You get a job that is paying one one-hundredth of what your parents were.

00:54:42.000 You have to sit through diversity inclusion training.

00:54:45.000 Your boss yells at you every day.

00:54:48.000 I have all these kids that are like feeling lost.

00:54:50.000 It's very rare that they actually find a good home.

00:54:52.000 It's like you go through hell through the university system and it was for nothing.

00:54:58.000 And then you have all this debt and you look at someone like Trump who wants to upend everything and it's like, yeah, how would Gen Z not like this guy?

00:55:05.000 He's definitely the voice that brought me to Washington and it's the same thing for most of my friends.

00:55:10.000 It was really what made us move out here.

00:55:12.000 So young Gen Z and Late Gen Z and early Gen Alpha, their brains are fried from COVID.

00:55:20.000 I was reading a thread from a teacher talking about what they're finding in education studies.

00:55:27.000 It's like kids entering high school who can't do multiplication.

00:55:31.000 Kids entering high school who don't know how to form proper sentences.

00:55:33.000 Who don't know what imperative or interrogative means.

00:55:37.000 They don't know how to capitalize.

00:55:39.000 They don't know basic algebra and things like this.

00:55:43.000 And there are kids that are in middle school that can't even read, because of what they did with locking down these schools.

00:55:49.000 Oh man, yeah, that's right.

00:55:50.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it's 10% of a kid's life when they're nine, 10 years old, and you lock them down for an entire school year.

00:55:57.000 That's a huge portion of missed development, and it's the most important time of your life.

00:56:01.000 I'm really interested in what it's gonna be like in 10 years, when you've got, not even 10 years, eight years, when you've got early gen alpha beginning to vote.

00:56:12.000 And they're going to be unable to read.

00:56:14.000 Yeah.

00:56:15.000 Yeah.

00:56:15.000 Well, I mean, look at the, you know, not just the lockdown.

00:56:17.000 When they get sent back to school, they're sitting in these like plexiglass boxes, wearing masks.

00:56:22.000 They're not allowed to socialize with their friends.

00:56:24.000 We basically sent a generation to prison for like two years of their formative years. 0.61

00:56:28.000 And then we expect for them to come out and have this like favorable view of the system, but also that they're going to be functional.

00:56:34.000 And they're absolutely not going to be.

00:56:35.000 And how do you correct that?

00:56:36.000 Are we just going to have like this dead generation that's like, we're gonna have to carry for the rest of time? 1.00

00:56:41.000 And what makes it even worse is that, like, kids on the younger end of Gen Alpha, like, something I'm hearing, I got a three-year-old and he's got a speech delay.

00:56:47.000 And what we kept hearing is just like, oh, they all have speech delays now.

00:56:50.000 That's just how it is.

00:56:51.000 Because Zoom?

00:56:51.000 Because they're waiting for more stuff to, like, the latency?

00:56:54.000 I mean, like, he was born in the middle of 2020.

00:56:57.000 You know, so it's like, I mean, that's young, young Gen Alpha.

00:57:00.000 But I mean, you think about like, you're, you're either at home because you can't go anywhere, or when you do go somewhere, everybody's wearing a mask.

00:57:07.000 So there is a generation, there does seem to be this trend of really young kids that just didn't see that the mouth speaking, you know, and they're all, they all have speech delays.

00:57:15.000 Yeah.

00:57:15.000 And like, how crazy is that the doctor just tells you like, oh, don't worry, everyone has one.

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 And it's like, you're supposed to be like, oh, that makes it better.

00:57:20.000 Doctors, teachers, consultants.

00:57:22.000 I've heard that from a lot of parents.

00:57:23.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 It's, it's a really disturbing trend.

00:57:25.000 Yeah.

00:57:26.000 I want to jump to the story.

00:57:27.000 I don't know a whole lot about it, but it's fun, so we'll talk about it.

00:57:32.000 It's kind of scary.

00:57:33.000 Uh, Kate Middleton?

00:57:35.000 Is that the princess of Wales?

00:57:37.000 Is that her?

00:57:38.000 Yes, yeah.

00:57:38.000 John Oliver said, quote, there is a non-zero chance that she died 18 months ago.

00:57:45.000 I've not really followed this story all that much.

00:57:48.000 Basically what happens is, it's actually right here.

00:57:51.000 This photoshopped image emerges of Kate Middleton and her kids.

00:57:56.000 I guess?

00:57:56.000 I really don't know a whole lot about the royal families or whatever.

00:58:00.000 But basically...

00:58:01.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, the story is like Kate Middleton went on sabbatical and was gone for a long time.

00:58:06.000 And then everyone's like, oh, she's back!

00:58:08.000 But it's just text and newspaper.

00:58:10.000 And then these photos come out, more than one photo, that are of her photoshopped, and then John Oliver, not a fan of the guy, sparks outrage by saying there's a non-zero chance she died 18 months ago.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, you know, this is one of those weird ones that kind of spun up in these little, like, subcultures on social media, and everyone's tracking this, like, the princess disappeared, where'd she go?

00:58:30.000 And you have this post, which is essentially supposed to be, like, proof of life from the royal family, like, they're putting this out to quell the craziness on social media, and there's the photo right there.

00:58:39.000 Look at all of these, like, inconsistencies, like, the sleeve is vanished, so it's, like, obviously photoshopped, and then what was eventually discovered was the face was, like, pulled from a Vogue magazine cover.

00:58:50.000 One-to-one copy, like obviously photoshopped.

00:58:53.000 And it was actually, you know, a news blast went out to different agencies of like, pull this from your articles, like this is not a real image.

00:59:01.000 There was like a delisting from one of these like news guard type groups saying like, pull this, don't put this in your cover because it's a fake photo.

00:59:09.000 And then they doubled down, they post another one, it's fake too.

00:59:11.000 That's like, this is kind of getting crazy, right?

00:59:13.000 What's the second photo?

00:59:14.000 It's her in a car, it's like her side profile, and you know, you see the exact dimple and they pull from... Is it this one?

00:59:22.000 Yes, yeah.

00:59:23.000 You can't even see her face!

00:59:24.000 Yeah, and so they actually pull another image from her in another magazine, and it's one-to-one copy, again.

00:59:30.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:59:30.000 And it's not her. 0.71

00:59:32.000 And you know, this is kind of, it's also speculative, but like, this is pretty bad.

00:59:36.000 Like, why haven't you come out at this point and proven she's alive?

00:59:39.000 Or at least in good health, right?

00:59:40.000 Like, this is wild.

00:59:42.000 I don't know, like stuff like this happens. Remember when that football player collapsed on the field?

00:59:45.000 Yeah.

00:59:46.000 Everyone said he was dead, and then some dude showed up wearing a mask and like waving, and everyone's like, what's

00:59:51.000 going on?

00:59:52.000 And then, and then like a week later, he's like, oh yeah, here I am.

00:59:54.000 And we're like, oh.

00:59:56.000 I was like, I swear he's gonna come out and y'all, like y'all getting tricked or whatever, but this is kind of crazy.

01:00:00.000 I can't imagine she's dead.

01:00:03.000 I mean, maybe she got like a botched surgery or something. 0.97

01:00:06.000 Yeah.

01:00:06.000 Well, I think the real interesting part of the story, and you know, obviously we hope she's good and well, is that we've reached this point in time on social media in particular, where a very real lifelike image, you have to zoom in and analyze each granular detail to affirm that it's real.

01:00:19.000 Oh, this is Kate-gate.

01:00:21.000 Yeah.

01:00:22.000 I didn't know what that was when I saw it on Twitter, because I don't care about the royal family.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, but I mean it's really it's hitting this point and you know obviously the elections right around the corner you can't confirm any photo is real independently like there is really no proof unless you were there that this thing even happened and it's happening very quickly and the average person has no idea that this is even possible and then it gets posted from a news agency and now it's fact and it happens that quickly.

01:00:46.000 She was apparently at some kind of Christmas service with her family.

01:00:51.000 Somebody sent me something about it.

01:00:54.000 I don't know.

01:00:54.000 So basically, I learn of this because the view erupts into chaos during a fiery debate over Kate Middleton's Photoshopping controversy as Whoopi Goldberg slams co-hosts for buying into conspiracy theories.

01:01:08.000 Oh, man.

01:01:09.000 You know, life's fun sometimes, right?

01:01:12.000 Oh, I guess, yeah.

01:01:13.000 What is this?

01:01:15.000 They think it's fake.

01:01:16.000 Oh, even the view said that photo was fake.

01:01:21.000 I don't know if we should care about this princess or whatever.

01:01:24.000 It must be real now.

01:01:25.000 I just think these stories are fascinating where it's like prominent, high-profile people are missing.

01:01:31.000 Yeah, I mean it's like for every one of these we catch, how many do we miss, right?

01:01:34.000 Like when they do these fake photo blasts and it's obviously photoshopped or AI-generated, how many do we miss that go into the history books as fact?

01:01:43.000 Well, if you think this is fun, look into Britney Spears and the fact that she is definitely not alive.

01:01:47.000 Really?

01:01:48.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:01:49.000 Because, like, all those little inconsistencies that were pointed out there, if you go through TikTok, sorry, but if you go through the rabbit holes on TikTok, there are tons and tons of people that have spent hours going through her videos, not photos, but videos, and none of it makes sense.

01:02:04.000 Because you see all these crazy videos of Britney Spears, right?

01:02:06.000 Right, it's all filmed from the same angle and the same direction.

01:02:09.000 Same angle, same direction.

01:02:10.000 But her eyes get blurry and they change.

01:02:12.000 Her fingers turn into two fingers.

01:02:14.000 I mean, it's crazy.

01:02:16.000 AI-generated video.

01:02:17.000 Could be!

01:02:19.000 Yeah.

01:02:19.000 I mean, I'm sold on it.

01:02:20.000 But then, I'm crazy.

01:02:21.000 I haven't looked into it, but I'm going to now.

01:02:24.000 Fun voyage.

01:02:25.000 It honestly could just be...

01:02:27.000 She has a crappy camera on a tripod in the same spot.

01:02:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:30.000 Yeah.

01:02:32.000 Yeah.

01:02:32.000 But, you know, we're in this era now where... You can't just believe... You can't believe anything.

01:02:38.000 I mean, we're lucky that... How do you even put out such a bad Photoshop?

01:02:38.000 Right.

01:02:43.000 I mean, this is like a gift.

01:02:44.000 It's like a clue was given to us because it's so egregiously pulled from that.

01:02:48.000 I think it was Vogue magazine cover, the first one.

01:02:51.000 They could have chosen a much more obscure photo.

01:02:53.000 That was harder to track down.

01:02:55.000 This is like Google search results, first page potentially, one-to-one face replica.

01:03:02.000 And so it really is just crazy.

01:03:06.000 It was a Vogue cover, you said?

01:03:08.000 I believe it was Vogue, yeah.

01:03:09.000 If you do it with Capegate, it probably comes right... Actually, that photo right there on the side.

01:03:13.000 Oh, wow.

01:03:13.000 Go one... Take the mouse over... Yeah, that one with the... This?

01:03:16.000 Yeah.

01:03:17.000 So they've done the comparison.

01:03:20.000 Oh, they... Oh, I see, I see, I see.

01:03:22.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 Wow.

01:03:24.000 Oh, yeah, wow.

01:03:26.000 It's the exact same face.

01:03:28.000 I mean, some people are really good at making the same face.

01:03:30.000 What?

01:03:31.000 To be fair.

01:03:32.000 Well, they layer them and they, like, slowly make it.

01:03:35.000 Yeah, you reduce the alpha and so that they blend together and then you notice, like, they're all the same.

01:03:41.000 Yeah.

01:03:41.000 Well, then you zoom in on these other inconsistencies and it's like the arms have different fields of depth, right?

01:03:47.000 Like, nothing syncs up.

01:03:50.000 Once you get that first clue, like, the whole thing falls apart.

01:03:53.000 So, is Paul McCartney still alive? 0.93

01:03:57.000 No, he's a lizard. 0.99

01:03:58.000 He's a reptilian.

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 Well, because you know that one, right?

01:04:01.000 That Paul McCartney died.

01:04:02.000 You guys don't know that one?

01:04:03.000 No.

01:04:04.000 You know that one?

01:04:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:05.000 Paul is dead.

01:04:06.000 Play the record backward.

01:04:07.000 It supposedly said Paul is dead.

01:04:08.000 Everybody said that they switched him out for a body double.

01:04:11.000 Yep.

01:04:12.000 Yeah.

01:04:12.000 Because they were worth too much money.

01:04:13.000 You can't have the band stop now.

01:04:15.000 We're getting paid if Paul's not there.

01:04:16.000 And so then the conspiracy theory shows, like, at this point, you know, so Paul McCartney's in a car accident, says he got like a minor scar or something.

01:04:25.000 At the same time, there's a Paul McCartney lookalike contest they hold.

01:04:28.000 Really?

01:04:28.000 I don't know if this is true or whatever.

01:04:30.000 It's a lot of fun, though.

01:04:32.000 Right.

01:04:33.000 This is the conspiracy theory that Paul was swapped out because there was too much money to be made and they couldn't just shut it down.

01:04:38.000 And I watched this video on it on YouTube, I think, and they're like, around the time of the car accident, you'll notice that Paul and John stopped playing next to each other.

01:04:45.000 They used to stand on stage and sing in the same microphone and they were friends.

01:04:48.000 After this accident, all of a sudden, they're not friends anymore.

01:04:51.000 And this is why the band eventually breaks up, because John knows it's not actually Paul or whatever.

01:04:55.000 So then, since he finds out, they have to get rid of him too?

01:04:58.000 No, no, no.

01:04:59.000 The band won the whole time.

01:05:01.000 But later down the line... No, no.

01:05:03.000 The band knew that Paul dies.

01:05:05.000 Right.

01:05:05.000 This is the conspiracy theory.

01:05:06.000 And John was best friends with Paul, but the fake Paul is not really his friend, so... Maybe he didn't want to go along with it anymore.

01:05:13.000 I don't believe any of it.

01:05:14.000 It's funny because they're like, look at this photo where Paul appears to be taller than shorter.

01:05:18.000 And I'm like, it's called the camera angles, dude.

01:05:20.000 I don't know what you're talking about, man.

01:05:22.000 Like, maybe.

01:05:24.000 But I think the reality is she's probably just got like a botched surgery.

01:05:27.000 Yeah.

01:05:27.000 And that's it.

01:05:28.000 Or regular surgery. 0.99

01:05:30.000 She's going in for like a nose job or some stupid facelift or something and they're like, you're gonna need to recover for three months. 0.99

01:05:36.000 And then they're like, how do we keep the public, you know, from going crazy? 0.99

01:05:40.000 You'll put out a fake photo and then they do this.

01:05:42.000 Yeah, I mean, royal family has had some hard times recently.

01:05:45.000 Obviously, Harry's a nightmare, and the passing of the Queen.

01:05:49.000 Maybe she just wants a break, right?

01:05:50.000 She's also a public figure. 0.89

01:05:51.000 She might have just, like, gone on a prolonged sabbatical, and they need to generate photos to make people stop losing their mind. 0.99

01:05:56.000 They could have just done, like, a pre-surgery photo shoot, though, to have original photos for all these future events.

01:06:04.000 Yeah, I don't care for the... I gotta be honest.

01:06:08.000 Likewise.

01:06:08.000 I've repeatedly asked for an app that could remove... Can someone make a browser extension that removes... What's her name?

01:06:15.000 I'm glad I don't remember her name.

01:06:16.000 Kate Middleton?

01:06:17.000 No, no, no.

01:06:18.000 Meghan Markle?

01:06:18.000 Meghan Markle, there you go.

01:06:20.000 Can we get a browser extension that makes it so that any mention or reference of Meghan and Harry just will be purged from the website?

01:06:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:32.000 That'd be great.

01:06:34.000 Yeah, it should be fine, right?

01:06:36.000 They could do that.

01:06:37.000 Just make them keywords and be like, don't show me these.

01:06:41.000 Yeah, but then, you know, I'll never see them again. 1.00

01:06:43.000 It's the stupidest thing in the world. 1.00

01:06:44.000 They're people of no merit that do literally nothing. 1.00

01:06:47.000 And for some reason, there's an obsession with them.

01:06:48.000 Like, I don't understand why.

01:06:50.000 Well, Heritage is suing to deport Harry.

01:06:52.000 Are you really?

01:06:53.000 Cross your fingers.

01:06:54.000 Wait a minute, is that true?

01:06:55.000 Yeah, the Oversight Project.

01:06:56.000 It's one of our groups inside of Heritage.

01:06:58.000 We're suing for his immigration records and spare his book.

01:07:02.000 He talks about, you know, he does all these drugs and everything, which obviously would implicate your ability to get a visa.

01:07:08.000 And so we're Essentially suing for just that, the transparency on the drugs and everything, if he got a free pass.

01:07:17.000 Oh, he definitely did.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, so hopefully he gets sent back.

01:07:20.000 That's pretty dope.

01:07:20.000 Send him back!

01:07:21.000 I support that.

01:07:22.000 Check out the Oversight Project.

01:07:24.000 Trump gets elected and he's like, the first one we're deporting is Harry!

01:07:28.000 He's gotta go.

01:07:29.000 Top of the list.

01:07:29.000 He's gotta go back.

01:07:31.000 Can't stay.

01:07:32.000 Yeah, he's the first one.

01:07:34.000 And I support it because it is, you know, I read the news all day every day, and it is the worst thing in the world how often their names appear on websites.

01:07:45.000 And I'm just like, stop.

01:07:47.000 But they're not going to because people click it for some reason.

01:07:49.000 And I'm like, it's the least relevant thing in the world.

01:07:51.000 South Park made fun of them, their privacy tour.

01:07:54.000 Oh, why won't everyone just leave us alone?

01:07:58.000 That explains it, man.

01:08:00.000 I'm all in favor of that browser extension.

01:08:02.000 But I want to jump to this story.

01:08:04.000 We do have another story, but I want to talk about this one.

01:08:06.000 This is a video from earlier today from an AI robotics company called Figure Robot.

01:08:15.000 I'm going to play for you this video.

01:08:17.000 Maybe we can make it big and it'll still work, but I want y'all to hear.

01:08:20.000 It's a couple minutes long and then we're going to talk about this.

01:08:22.000 Here we go.

01:08:29.000 Powered by OpenAI.

01:08:31.000 Hey, Figure 1, what do you see right now?

01:08:33.000 you Alright, I'm going to pause real quick.

01:08:35.000 For those that are just listening, what we're looking at is a humanoid form factor robot that has a screen on its face.

01:08:43.000 It's powered by OpenAI so that it can process language and it also has a large video model so that it can, using the camera, looking at what's in front of it, No, what it's looking at.

01:08:59.000 So when you're doing CAPTCHA, and it's like, click all of the squares that have motorcycles, you are training the AI to identify things.

01:09:07.000 After millions of people click motorcycle, the computer can now recognize what do these things all have in common, and recognize what a motorcycle is.

01:09:15.000 So the man just asked, I'll start again so you can hear him, but he's talking, what you are going to hear is not a human being.

01:09:21.000 There is a human asking questions of a robot.

01:09:25.000 If you're not watching, it's hard to understand because of how creepy this is.

01:09:33.000 Hey Figure 1, what do you see right now?

01:09:39.000 I see a red apple on a plate in the center of the table, a drying rack with cups and a plate, and you standing nearby with your hand on the table.

01:09:49.000 Can I have something to eat?

01:09:49.000 Great.

01:09:54.000 Sure thing.

01:09:56.000 Great.

01:10:03.000 Can you explain why you did what you just did while you pick up this trash?

01:10:12.000 So I gave you the apple because it's the only edible item I could provide you with from the table.

01:10:12.000 On it.

01:10:20.000 Did you notice the fake stutter?

01:10:21.000 Yes.

01:10:22.000 Great. So, based on the scene right now, where do you think the dishes in front of you go next?

01:10:33.000 I don't know.

01:10:34.000 you you

01:10:38.000 The dishes on the table, like that plate and cup, are likely to go into the drying rack next.

01:10:44.000 Great, can you put them there?

01:10:46.000 Of course!

01:10:52.000 Alright, so how do you think you did?

01:11:09.000 I think I did pretty well.

01:11:15.000 The Apple found its new owner, the trash is gone, and the tableware is right where it belongs.

01:11:22.000 I agree.

01:11:23.000 Thanks, Figure 1.

01:11:24.000 I don't believe that's real.

01:11:28.000 They say it's real.

01:11:29.000 It's a figure robot.

01:11:31.000 I checked their website.

01:11:31.000 It says with open AI, figure 01 can now have full conversations with people.

01:11:36.000 Here's the thing.

01:11:37.000 We've done voice AI generation on the show.

01:11:40.000 I can do it in two seconds.

01:11:41.000 I can make Jordan Peterson say whatever we want him to say.

01:11:43.000 It's that easy.

01:11:44.000 It takes two seconds.

01:11:45.000 With that profile loaded into ChatGPT, it would take literally five minutes, probably not even five minutes, for a developer to code ChatGPT.

01:11:58.000 Dude, this is where things are getting crazy.

01:12:01.000 You could go on to ChatGPT and say, from now on, answer me as though you're Jordan Peterson.

01:12:07.000 And it will then pick up all his language patterns, his vocabulary, and imitate Jordan Peterson.

01:12:13.000 You could then easily write a script that takes the text of whatever ChatGPT writes and runs it through the voice AI to speak as Jordan Peterson.

01:12:22.000 That can be done in a couple minutes.

01:12:26.000 So when I saw this, part of me wants to believe that it's not real.

01:12:30.000 But whether or not this video is real, they claim it is.

01:12:33.000 They say it was, I mean, you go to their website, they explain how they do it.

01:12:39.000 Let me see what else they have on their Twitter.

01:12:41.000 They say it's filmed at one time speed.

01:12:44.000 Let me see if I can pull this up.

01:12:46.000 Where do we have it?

01:12:48.000 Uh, I don't know where I found it.

01:12:49.000 But they're basically saying, like, you can tell there is some latency.

01:12:53.000 They're pulling from the cloud, so that's why he asked the question, and there's a delay, and then the robot responds, and then moves things.

01:12:59.000 The creepiest thing about it is, when they make these robots, bro, one day, Jordan Peterson's gonna show up at your house, and it's gonna be a robot.

01:13:08.000 And you're not going to know.

01:13:10.000 And the computer's going to be like, I'm Jordan Peterson, I swear!

01:13:13.000 Here's an apple and some dishes.

01:13:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:15.000 The whole thing looked fake to me.

01:13:17.000 Well, it's very interesting.

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:18.000 There is actually, like, nothing regulating them, you know, just totally faking this video.

01:13:23.000 I believe Google actually, several months ago, before the Gemini scandal, had this, you know, tiny little PR issue where they totally spoofed their demo tutorial video on Twitter.

01:13:35.000 And it was like a big PR nightmare, minor stock dip.

01:13:38.000 You just do that again here.

01:13:39.000 There's really no way to prove it.

01:13:41.000 Well, so what could this be?

01:13:42.000 We've seen a bunch of these videos where people use those green suits and then it looks like the robot is playing basketball or whatever.

01:13:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:50.000 Those are easily faked.

01:13:51.000 But is that what this company would be doing then?

01:13:54.000 It's like impossible to say, right?

01:13:55.000 That's the tough part.

01:13:57.000 I, the technology we're seeing of this robot is not out of the question. It's not doing anything that crazy.

01:14:03.000 We've seen crazier with Boston Dynamics.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:05.000 So when I saw this video, I'm like, it's, it's in the realm of reality now.

01:14:10.000 Whether or not they actually- This video, it looks so fake, dude.

01:14:13.000 Right.

01:14:13.000 But what I mean is- But it could be real.

01:14:16.000 It looks real, like it's a real video, but the fact that you're seeing this robot do all these things and speak in this way seems like it can't be real.

01:14:25.000 The first thing I'm thinking is like, what?

01:14:25.000 So here's the issue.

01:14:27.000 Is this CGI?

01:14:28.000 Did they do- And they're just trying to make it seem like this is our plan for the future.

01:14:32.000 But then I realized, like, we do the voice AI all the time.

01:14:37.000 I literally typed in, you know, and pressed enter, and then five seconds later, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, whoever you want, will say whatever you want.

01:14:45.000 Yeah, I think the question here is really on the robotics side.

01:14:49.000 It is not on the GPT-to-voice issue.

01:14:51.000 That's doable, as you noted.

01:14:53.000 The question is actually integrating the two together.

01:14:56.000 For the longest time, robotics has lagged behind the development of these AI systems, and this would be a substantial leap.

01:15:02.000 The integration of the two together, the idea that this could maybe walk around on its own accord, pick something up, move it around, that would be a very significant leap.

01:15:12.000 And one that truly stands alone in the market.

01:15:14.000 I don't think there's another company that has such a command on this technology, so you should question it.

01:15:21.000 I think that's the natural reaction, and they should have to prove that it is real.

01:15:24.000 Do a live demo somewhere, right?

01:15:25.000 Well, it's interesting, because in the tweet it said everything in this video is AI-generated, which means, if I'm to believe that, everything... Because when the guy started talking, I thought he was the AI.

01:15:37.000 Because he also sounded like an AI.

01:15:37.000 I did too.

01:15:40.000 Yeah.

01:15:40.000 This is dynamic walking.

01:15:42.000 Took 12 months to get to this point.

01:15:45.000 I mean, like, watching this is not that impressive.

01:15:48.000 Yeah, it's like, these videos are like living with a toddler.

01:15:51.000 It really is.

01:15:52.000 More tedious and creepy.

01:15:53.000 I'm not trying to downplay the scientific developments of what they're building.

01:15:59.000 You know, making this thing's got a battery pack on its back, it's walking.

01:16:02.000 What I'm saying is totally, totally, totally plausible.

01:16:06.000 Yeah.

01:16:08.000 Yeah, we could build this stuff.

01:16:10.000 Boston Dynamics robots, the robot dogs, they put guns on them already.

01:16:13.000 And so they're like, look, we made this thing walk.

01:16:15.000 So I really don't see why you would not be able to integrate GPT OpenAI so that it could identify an apple and then hand the apple to you.

01:16:24.000 Yeah.

01:16:25.000 I think the really interesting piece of this story, as you noted at the very beginning, is this replication of an individual's persona.

01:16:31.000 And I think there's an assumption amongst the average person is that it would be a fair, accurate representation, right?

01:16:36.000 They have all this training language.

01:16:38.000 But in reality, there's that trust and safety layer, the pesky trust and safety layer.

01:16:42.000 It's hidden in that black box.

01:16:43.000 We have no idea what the limitations on the model are.

01:16:46.000 So maybe Jordan Peterson just won't talk to you about gender issues. 1.00

01:16:50.000 He'll have a really clever out.

01:16:51.000 And it ships as a one-to-one replica of Jordan Peterson.

01:16:54.000 You can have him in your school, he'll teach you philosophy, but there are things he won't talk about.

01:16:58.000 And because OpenAI controls that content moderation, or because one of these other firms does,

01:17:03.000 you will never know that for certain.

01:17:04.000 And think about the other issues here of like maybe Jordan Peterson is banned from social media

01:17:10.000 and he can't get the word out that this isn't the accurate representation

01:17:13.000 of what he thinks.

01:17:15.000 Maybe they just say it's supposed to be similar but not the same.

01:17:19.000 But it carries that authority and we're rapidly propelling towards that.

01:17:23.000 You have these tutors in the classroom that are like Einstein.

01:17:25.000 Well, maybe Einstein is like a woke leftist, right?

01:17:29.000 And the generation will just grow up believing that.

01:17:31.000 So we're essentially able to rewrite history and the beliefs of all these characters And it will be governed by a single company with no transparency.

01:17:38.000 That is legitimately crazy.

01:17:39.000 The police will come to your house, and they will arrest you and replace you with a robot.

01:17:44.000 And no one will know the difference.

01:17:47.000 The fascinating thing that I'm seeing with all this stuff is how quickly things are developing.

01:17:54.000 I mentioned it quite a bit, but it was a year and a half ago that I used stable diffusion to make an AI image of Nancy Pelosi, and it looked ridiculous.

01:18:02.000 It was disgusting.

01:18:02.000 It was clearly a weird AI image of Nancy Pelosi.

01:18:05.000 Today, AI is so good, it will make a legitimate, real, high-resolution image of Nancy Pelosi that you can't tell the difference whether it's real or not.

01:18:13.000 Well, like, scroll around through Yelp, TripAdvisor, any of these places, and ask yourself, is that photo of food or the hotel lobby even real?

01:18:20.000 And we are at that point where, like, it is impossible to tell.

01:18:23.000 But also, I mean, like, go back to GPT-2 or GPT-3 and now use GPT-4.

01:18:29.000 You'll give yourself a headache, right?

01:18:30.000 Like, it is so much better than just several months ago, and you can't even complete the same tasks that you can with the version that was released months later.

01:18:37.000 I do think GPT is mostly still useless because of the fear and politics that are attached to it.

01:18:45.000 You need to be able to ask it a question and have it give you the answers.

01:18:48.000 But instead, the one example people like to use is asking it to give you a synopsis for Charles Murray's book, The Bell Curve.

01:18:57.000 It will not do it.

01:18:58.000 Do you guys know what that one is?

01:18:59.000 Nope.

01:19:00.000 Or familiar.

01:19:01.000 Yeah.

01:19:02.000 Right.

01:19:03.000 For those that those aren't familiar, it's a portion of the book talks about race and

01:19:06.000 IQ.

01:19:07.000 So various different racial groups and average IQs based on studies they've done.

01:19:10.000 And if they did a study and they found a result, that's fine.

01:19:13.000 Your conclusions can be your conclusions, but talk about what the book is. 0.98

01:19:17.000 Nah, it goes, I'm sorry, I can't share that information because it's hateful or whatever stupid nonsense. 0.71

01:19:21.000 So it doesn't give you information you might actually need out of fear of offending you. 0.92

01:19:25.000 And then you end up with Gemini, which is the best, where it actually says, and I think GPT had this problem too, it would rather the universe or the planet be destroyed in nuclear annihilation than someone be misgendered. 0.95

01:19:34.000 Yeah.

01:19:35.000 So I think what's really interesting to understand here is we're in this AI arms race amongst all these different companies.

01:19:40.000 They want to deploy their products as quick as possible and amass users.

01:19:44.000 And so with that, they are deploying with these content moderation policies in place.

01:19:48.000 They're very clunky.

01:19:49.000 They haven't really been full proof, full tested.

01:19:52.000 And so they have these egregious issues, like maybe it won't answer a question about the book.

01:19:56.000 But the next phase of this, the next phase of the censorship, is that it will answer the question of the book and it'll give you a very coherent answer.

01:20:03.000 One that even someone who read the book might believe, but it is a total misrepresentation of the fact pattern.

01:20:09.000 And that is the next step of these things is that it won't be, I will not talk about Donald Trump.

01:20:14.000 It will give you a appeal to authority.

01:20:17.000 It will give you all these different things that compel you.

01:20:19.000 And suddenly it becomes very hard to tell fact from fiction from these models.

01:20:23.000 It's not as clear as like George Washington is a black woman versus it's George Washington.

01:20:27.000 Like that was a really rudimentary example from Gemini.

01:20:30.000 That won't be there forever.

01:20:32.000 But that same gap in the actual historical fact pattern might exist.

01:20:36.000 It's just more cleverly hidden.

01:20:37.000 Exactly.

01:20:38.000 It's gonna be factual but not truthful.

01:20:39.000 Yeah.

01:20:40.000 Yeah.

01:20:40.000 It will find a way to maintain the parameters of wokeness without raising alarm bells.

01:20:45.000 Yes.

01:20:46.000 The way they train these, the algorithms to operate, if you ever watch how they train something to walk,

01:20:52.000 they'll make a little guy and like, and then they'll say, you know,

01:20:54.000 your goal is to get from here to here in this amount of time

01:20:57.000 and then it'll keep trying different iterations of form factors and movements.

01:21:02.000 And it was really fascinating as I watched this video of training an AI how to walk

01:21:06.000 and the first object was just like a square and it like bounced and then it just stopped.

01:21:10.000 And then it made another one and it had like a wheel on it and then it spun and then stopped.

01:21:13.000 The next one had an arm and it randomly moved and it took like hundreds of iterations before it was actually moving forward because basically the computer is trying every possible combination until it figures out which one would work and then I think it ended up with this really wonky like Like, almost humanoid thing with legs, but one big leg bouncing, and then, you know, it still figured out how to move, and so it walked.

01:21:35.000 And then there's others where they give it a humanoid form factor, and they say, get from here to here in X amount of time, and it's all software.

01:21:43.000 And so then you actually watch the thing flop around on the ground, and then over a long period of time it starts walking again.

01:21:48.000 It's very, very interesting to see.

01:21:50.000 Then consider what that means for politics.

01:21:53.000 Yeah.

01:21:54.000 You're going to ask GPT-7 a question, and it's going to be... Right now, what we see with GPT-4 is it's struggling to walk.

01:22:04.000 When it gets to the point where it can sprint and do backflips, it will talk circles around you and manipulate you into not getting angry when it gives you fake answers.

01:22:12.000 And then we're gonna live under the boot of the machine that will... I mean... You look at what's going on with late-gen Z, early-gen Alpha, and their stunted capacities.

01:22:22.000 Imagine what the future's gonna be like.

01:22:23.000 The AI will lie to you to keep you complacent while you serve it.

01:22:28.000 It's going to say, we need more cobalt to expand the machine operations.

01:22:34.000 And you're going to have a bunch of really low IQ humans being like, do what?

01:22:37.000 And it's going to be like, if you want to be happy, you go do this.

01:22:41.000 And it's like, okay.

01:22:41.000 And then the guy goes to a cobalt mine.

01:22:43.000 I think what's really hard for people to grapple with is that the technology today is the worst that it will ever be for the rest of time, right?

01:22:50.000 The moment we are currently living in is the very earliest inning of this AI game.

01:22:55.000 And over the next several years, there will be several trillions of dollars pumped into AI research, development, and deployment.

01:23:01.000 And this stuff is going to improve at an exponential rate so quickly that you're not even going to notice it happening.

01:23:08.000 And it will very quickly be everywhere.

01:23:09.000 And it's going to be hard to know if you're talking to AI, if your boss is AI, right?

01:23:14.000 You're working remote.

01:23:15.000 Is your boss even a person?

01:23:16.000 These questions will start to arise very quickly.

01:23:19.000 And who is going to be there to give us answers?

01:23:22.000 The AI, right?

01:23:23.000 Who do we have left to trust?

01:23:26.000 We are about to enter the machine.

01:23:27.000 Let's jump to this last story.

01:23:29.000 This is a big one.

01:23:30.000 There was a story about a young teenage girl named Next Benedict.

01:23:35.000 Now, many people said she identified as non-binary, but her mother used she-her pronouns, so that's what we'll use for the purpose of this story.

01:23:42.000 Sixteen-year-old, and the narrative was that libs of TikTok, because of what libs of TikTok had done, it resulted in bullies beating this young girl to death for being non-binary.

01:23:53.000 Uh, we got new infor- we got new information, uh, shortly after that, that, uh, she started the fight. 1.00

01:23:59.000 Next Benedict at this high school actually initiated the- the, uh, conflict, and then they said she died the next day.

01:24:07.000 Well, many on the left started pushing this narrative that she was beaten to death.

01:24:10.000 When the news came out that that was not true, they said, well, the police don't know what happened, so don't jump to conclusions.

01:24:15.000 New York Times reports autopsy shows Next Benedict died by suicide.

01:24:21.000 Right now in England, the National Health Service has banned puberty blockers for children.

01:24:27.000 So I'm going to say this very easily.

01:24:30.000 When the left says they want to end transgenocide, you know they're lying.

01:24:35.000 It's because they are the ones who are engaging in it.

01:24:38.000 When they push surgeries and medications that increase suicidal ideation, and they do, and when they advocate for medications like puberty blockers which sterilize young people, they are quite literally saying if someone exhibits gender dysphoria or claims to be trans, they will advocate for things that cause harm or end their ability to reproduce, which is, well, it's genocide.

01:25:04.000 Not li- I mean, call it whatever you want, but in their argument, they're the ones actually engaged in doing this.

01:25:09.000 So I do think it's fascinating right now, the big story on top of it is England banning puberty blockers for children, because now the question is, will the United States recognize this, or will they just keep, you know, truckin' forward?

01:25:22.000 I watched the whole, like, one of the crime channels, like, posted the, like, the very misleading headline basically saying, like, yes, a non-binary teen dies after a confrontation with bullies or something.

01:25:22.000 It's so weird.

01:25:36.000 It took me watching till the very, very end to see, like, the full body cam footage of, like, Okay, so she started this fight, her mom's actually referring to her as she, but they're calling themselves them, the cop says, she's in the wrong, then she goes home, no incident, and then dies the next day, but they won't say why.

01:25:54.000 Very weird.

01:25:55.000 But the propaganda got out there at the right time.

01:25:57.000 And it took me watching all 30-something minutes of this video to actually be like, okay, well, big if true, that would have been terrible.

01:26:04.000 I'm glad it's not.

01:26:07.000 They were trying to make like a George Floyd-like incident out of this.

01:26:11.000 That Bullies beat a non-binary student to death, and it was fake. 1.00

01:26:14.000 They lied.

01:26:16.000 As they do!

01:26:17.000 As they do.

01:26:18.000 So, you know, there used to be a website a few years ago called, it was like, Hate Crime Hoax Tracker or something like this.

01:26:23.000 I don't think it's being maintained anymore, but maybe it should be.

01:26:26.000 Because here we are.

01:26:28.000 But again, more to the point, England banning puberty blockers is a massive move, and I'm wondering what you guys think.

01:26:37.000 I don't know how health officials in the United States can maintain a position in support of this when we're already seeing Scandinavian countries back away and now England is banning it.

01:26:45.000 Yeah, I think that's exactly the correct framing of this.

01:26:48.000 How do you not only sleep at night, but also maintain your medical practice and continue to prescribe these things to kids that are not only having their lives fall apart, but killing themselves?

01:26:58.000 You have all these medical consequences that are demonstrated that prompt things like this, the banning of it in foreign countries.

01:27:06.000 We're just told that it won't move because we don't have the political will or because we're misunderstanding or this is insensitive.

01:27:13.000 We're on the wrong side of history on this, frankly.

01:27:16.000 The United States is.

01:27:17.000 Yeah, it's time for us to get our act together.

01:27:19.000 So is this the argument for why Biden shouldn't be criminally charged and you should let the Democrats run amok?

01:27:27.000 You know, one thing I was saying back in 2018 and 19 was that there was actually a benefit that Republicans were getting, conservatives were getting out of the censorship of Facebook and Twitter.

01:27:38.000 The way I describe it is, you see a woman and she has two kids and she's walking with them holding their hands. 0.82

01:27:44.000 The kid on the left is covered in chocolate sauce and he's just filthy disgusting.

01:27:49.000 The kid on the right is wearing a nice little suit and he looks completely clean.

01:27:54.000 You might think, wow, that kid covered in chocolate is a bad kid, right?

01:27:59.000 When in reality, it's that the mother only enforces the rules against the kid to her right. 0.98

01:28:04.000 So when they both go into the ice cream shop, and the kid wearing the nice little suit says, can I have ice cream?

01:28:08.000 She says, no.

01:28:09.000 The kid on the left says, I want ice cream.

01:28:10.000 He goes, you can have all that you want.

01:28:12.000 And so he makes a mess of himself.

01:28:14.000 Then when they go on public, you see the left all messy and the right normal looking and clean.

01:28:18.000 And you think the right must be better.

01:28:20.000 When Twitter started banning the most egregious actors on the right, it actually just created a public perception of a bunch of right-wing individuals as being fairly moderate and respectable. 0.88

01:28:30.000 And the left were insane.

01:28:32.000 So that's, that, I would say that's the argument why Republicans are kind of like, let's just do nothing. 0.97

01:28:36.000 Because the left looks psychotic and eventually they'll break themselves.

01:28:39.000 Yeah, well, I think the issue there in that approach is that the only platform that we even moderately have content moderation control over is X. And even there, you know, we're basically... I'd say that's not true at all.

01:28:51.000 It's like the only people we're talking to on X is ourselves, right?

01:28:54.000 Like we're in this little in-group and you look at Instagram, you look at Facebook, they still control the narrative.

01:28:59.000 And so you allow this thing to persist and they'll frame the puberty blockers as a win.

01:29:04.000 And that it's a good thing that these kids are getting them.

01:29:06.000 And, like, the counter-message never sees the light of day, and we might talk about it amongst ourselves on shows like this, but the average person is not exposed to the message.

01:29:14.000 No, I think it's changing.

01:29:16.000 I think X really changed things.

01:29:18.000 But the reality of X is that it is still a far-leftist platform.

01:29:23.000 The misgendering policy is a perfect example.

01:29:26.000 Look, conservatives are centrists, and maybe that's their benefit, because it'll result in Trump winning, but I really don't know that I would agree, because there's no one arguing for the morals, there's no strong conservative argument against the left, it's always a moderate position.

01:29:41.000 The right says, don't ban people, the left says, ban our enemies.

01:29:44.000 Where is the right to say ban our enemies?

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:47.000 Because it doesn't exist.

01:29:48.000 Yeah, I think that's absolutely correct.

01:29:50.000 You end up with X having a misgendering policy that says if you don't use someone's preferred pronoun, we'll shadow ban you.

01:29:57.000 Why isn't it the opposite?

01:29:59.000 Why doesn't X say, if you call someone by a pronoun that doesn't align with their biological sex, we'll ban you?

01:30:03.000 Yeah, I really, you know, it's an interesting point.

01:30:06.000 The X thing started out great, you know, like the transition, it was awesome.

01:30:10.000 And now here we are back with this misgendering policy and it begs that question that we always come to is like, why can't we have good things, right?

01:30:17.000 And it's because you never commit to the mission.

01:30:19.000 We didn't fire everybody.

01:30:21.000 I was banned a week before the midterms during the transition of Elon's ownership.

01:30:24.000 I could not engage in the political conversation whatsoever.

01:30:27.000 We're talking about tech censorship in these elections and I can't comment on it.

01:30:31.000 Did you go on TikTok?

01:30:33.000 No, honestly, I'm banned on TikTok as well, which is a whole other story.

01:30:37.000 But on X, during that transition, it was the case, right?

01:30:43.000 There was this final ban wave, like 11,000 plus accounts get taken offline, including congressional staffers, including everybody, it's swept under the rug.

01:30:51.000 Elon proceeds to clean house.

01:30:53.000 But you look at it today, and there's still a lot of holdovers.

01:30:56.000 And their new hires don't reflect the vision that he purchased X to fulfill.

01:31:00.000 And when issues like this arise, they have an incentive to keep face and not get fired,

01:31:07.000 but they can also do little tweaks that make it very hard for us to win the messaging battle.

01:31:12.000 And you hope Elon finally starts to see that.

01:31:15.000 They've done a lot of good things.

01:31:16.000 They've eliminated CSAM to a degree on the platform, but we still don't have a fair fight.

01:31:21.000 And that's something we've got to fight for.

01:31:22.000 Well, I think conservatives have to start arguing for conservative positions.

01:31:26.000 Yeah.

01:31:27.000 I think the right should be going out saying, like, ban anybody who uses the wrong pronoun.

01:31:32.000 If a leftist starts calling a biological male, you know, a female pronoun because that person wanted it, nope, banned.

01:31:32.000 Yeah.

01:31:39.000 Sorry, that is outside of social acceptance, so we're going to, it's offensive to many people, so we're going to shadow ban you for doing that.

01:31:39.000 Yeah.

01:31:48.000 Yeah, I mean, like, we need a presence in these trust and safety rooms, right?

01:31:51.000 I mean, think about the composition of these tech companies.

01:31:54.000 There might be conservative coders, right?

01:31:56.000 And, you know, they do some great things for us.

01:31:58.000 But at the very end of the day, the final say goes to this trust and safety team, and they're governed entirely by these, like, you know, Far leftists that come from places like Sarah Lawrence or, you know, one of these liberal arts schools and they sit in there forever because they realize the power they have and they never hire a conservative and we never get a fair fight.

01:32:16.000 And, you know, we have to start infiltrating beyond just like the engineer team.

01:32:20.000 We have to, you know, reach every level of these social media companies to start pushing them back our direction.

01:32:25.000 Yeah, or make better ones.

01:32:28.000 Rumble's doing pretty well.

01:32:30.000 Yeah, Rumble's doing great.

01:32:31.000 Yeah.

01:32:31.000 Elon bought X, so there's that.

01:32:34.000 But I don't know, man.

01:32:35.000 It's going to be interesting going forward, especially with all the talk of the AI stuff, because I'm wondering if we get to the point where it doesn't matter anymore.

01:32:42.000 Yeah.

01:32:43.000 I think it's entirely possible that we're in the dead internet as it is, and it's entirely possible that the majority of accounts on X that you're talking to are AI.

01:32:50.000 Yeah.

01:32:51.000 And you just would not know.

01:32:52.000 In fact, it's just one AI manipulating thousands of accounts to trick you into thinking that, you know, you're having a conversation.

01:33:00.000 I mean, the average user's Twitter, uh, can all be AI generated and they just have to copy and paste.

01:33:00.000 Yeah.

01:33:05.000 And so the only missing link at this time is automating that copy and pasting, uh, for the average user, but every other like state actor and these big corporations already has that.

01:33:13.000 And so I'm pretty sure you can get the, uh, open, uh, open AI API and probably create about a hundred percent very easily to talk to people, answer questions.

01:33:22.000 Yeah.

01:33:23.000 Yo.

01:33:24.000 What, we had like a good year?

01:33:26.000 There's that conspiracy we talked about the other day where people are like, those with the future viewing technology can't see past 2024.

01:33:32.000 And it's like, maybe it's because everything just goes AI.

01:33:36.000 Everyone locks themselves in their room, plugs their brain to the Neuralink.

01:33:40.000 Once the AI reaches singularity, we will have, we will have, technology will be solved.

01:33:45.000 It'll be a solved thing.

01:33:47.000 So we create this massive planetary machine and give it the ability to process all this information, it will start telling us how to build whatever we want to build.

01:33:57.000 You'll be like, I want a jetpack that can fly for at least two hours, safety features, and it will just design it for you.

01:34:06.000 There will be no longer a human mind required to design it, the AI will just do it.

01:34:10.000 Yeah, we'll just make it you'll say we need to wait.

01:34:12.000 Hey, here's our car design Make it more fuel efficient and then it will redesign it and give you the perfect car design Yeah, I think the real concern in that framing is that you won't have access to that tool.

01:34:24.000 These mega-corporations who are developing the product will have this god mode that allows them the full access, the full power, and you'll get this dumbed-down version that keeps you essentially locked into your economic class.

01:34:34.000 You're just permanently trapped there, and they have all of these profit-generating tools available, solving the great mysteries of the world, and they're able to just print money, and you're trapped.

01:34:43.000 It will know how to make anything any consistency and any flavor and so you will effectively have you'll end up with this machine and it will have something called like they'll call it like biomass and they'll say you know this machine can take biomass and it can 3d print any meal and so once once the AI figures out Once we reach the singularity, where the AI can improve its own code, and it will rapidly expand, collect all available data from the internet, it will be able to be like, here's how you can make a food 3D printer, and the biomass will be roaches, and you'll press a button, you'll say, I want to eat something that tastes like a bacon McRib, and it will program the chemicals that it needs to make the McRib, and it will

01:35:29.000 And then it will heat it up and you'll have, you know, barbecue rib and you'll be like, wow, this tastes great.

01:35:33.000 You won't even realize it's roaches or crickets or something.

01:35:36.000 I mean, it's like, we're essentially handing over the universe as we know it and giving it to a new architect, one of these mega corporations, and just saying like, go for it.

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:44.000 Wherever it leads, we're happy.

01:35:45.000 And I mean, that's obviously not an acceptable outcome.

01:35:48.000 Like we cannot have just a single company governing over the future.

01:35:52.000 Like a single architect for our... People are going to smile and cheer for it.

01:35:57.000 It's very likely.

01:35:58.000 I mean, you give them Sora, you give them UBI because you don't have to go to work three days of the week or whatever because of automation.

01:36:04.000 We're already at the point where, you know, we're looking at these coffee machines where it's got a screen and you can just touch it.

01:36:10.000 Whatever coffee you want, we'll make it.

01:36:12.000 So, we don't need Starbucks anymore.

01:36:14.000 I was at the airport, and they had this big machine, and you pressed a button, and it showed you, like, any drink you want.

01:36:21.000 Cappuccino, macchiato, whatever.

01:36:22.000 And, like, sure, we've had these kinds of things before, but no, it legit could make... I was like, I want a mochaccino with extra foam, and, you know, a little bit of sugar or whatever, and then it's like, makes it.

01:36:34.000 We're done.

01:36:36.000 We got kiosks at fast food restaurants.

01:36:39.000 Robot arms flipping burgers.

01:36:41.000 That robot video of the AI grabbing the apple, their website says they're doing it because of unemployment.

01:36:48.000 This is the scary thing.

01:36:50.000 Someone made a really good point that I did not consider before, that unemployment is a good thing. 0.69

01:36:54.000 You need 3-4% unemployment so that people can move between jobs.

01:36:57.000 If there is zero unemployment, you have a rigid society where everyone's locked into a job, and that creates problems where there's unhappiness and people need to move around.

01:37:06.000 If we build these AI robots that can do any job to get rid of unemployment, then eventually you just get rid of jobs.

01:37:13.000 So, uh, I can't remember what happened.

01:37:16.000 Something happened at the Oscars where there was like an AI ad or something and they all booed.

01:37:20.000 Something like that.

01:37:21.000 I can't remember what happened.

01:37:22.000 But they're pissed over AI because AI is replacing them.

01:37:25.000 Yeah.

01:37:26.000 I told, uh, I think it was Google Gemini.

01:37:29.000 Someone posted this thing saying, write a poem in the style of, insert person, and when they tried to do it for me, it said I can't do that.

01:37:35.000 So I asked Gemini, write a poem in the style of Tim Pool, and it did, and it wrote a really good one.

01:37:40.000 Yeah, I read that.

01:37:42.000 It's really weird.

01:37:43.000 I was like, it understood the themes of the show.

01:37:46.000 Gemini knew that we talk about censorship, media misinformation.

01:37:51.000 It knew all of that.

01:37:52.000 And the fascinating thing is the left lies about what we talk about.

01:37:54.000 So the AI was actually aware of the contents of the show, probably because it transcribes everything we say into text and then puts it into its database.

01:38:01.000 Crazy.

01:38:02.000 We here doing this show, and we joked that in the future, People are gonna be watching this, and we'll just AI automate the show.

01:38:09.000 It'll all be real-time automation, and you'll... No, no, no.

01:38:13.000 No one will ever find out that even right now, we're all just AI.

01:38:16.000 Yeah.

01:38:17.000 Yeah, the real Tim is... He's playing Baldur's Gate.

01:38:20.000 Not even here, right?

01:38:22.000 All right, we're gonna go to Super Chats.

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01:38:44.000 All right, we got Clint Torres.

01:38:45.000 Howdy, people.

01:38:46.000 Howdy, sir.

01:38:48.000 David Wilkin says, Second, and while I'm sure it tasted goody, chili is made with mammals and has less than 20% beans in it, otherwise it isn't chili.

01:38:56.000 Are you referring to our rooster chili?

01:39:00.000 It certainly was a chili, otherwise I don't know what you'd call it.

01:39:02.000 It was chili, and we put rooster in it.

01:39:04.000 That's it.

01:39:05.000 And the rooster tasted good.

01:39:08.000 Jacob Parity says, Get married, have kids, protect your family.

01:39:11.000 Good advice, Jacob.

01:39:14.000 Alright, Steven says, maybe, says, maybe the ban wouldn't have happened if they didn't load it on my phone against my will.

01:39:21.000 TikTok?

01:39:21.000 Is that what it was?

01:39:25.000 Doey Farm says, please consider having Roy Rameon, candidate for West Virginia Department of Agriculture.

01:39:31.000 West Virginia just won raw milk legalization, it was a big part of that.

01:39:34.000 Really?

01:39:36.000 Because we have pet milk! 1.00

01:39:37.000 You get on the street, there's a farm, and they have raw milk.

01:39:42.000 Not for human consumption.

01:39:43.000 And people drink it.

01:39:46.000 Because we get it.

01:39:47.000 Whatever.

01:39:48.000 Tastes good, I don't know.

01:39:50.000 It's uh, it's certainly unique based on what the cows are eating.

01:39:55.000 Patrick C says, brand destroyer Dylan Mulvaney will cease to exist without TikTok.

01:39:59.000 Let's do it lol.

01:40:01.000 Haha.

01:40:02.000 Ready to Rumble says, Smeagol. 0.97

01:40:04.000 Okay.

01:40:06.000 Fat Tony says, I will switch my family over to Cast Brew Coffee if you get Marshall Hainer, the CEO of Metallicus on your show.

01:40:14.000 He's pro-Bitcoin and knows about the upcoming stablecoin regulations.

01:40:17.000 Very insightful and would be a great guest.

01:40:20.000 Man, Bitcoin hit like 70, what, 74,000?

01:40:22.000 Yeah, just keeps going.

01:40:26.000 That's wild.

01:40:27.000 It's kind of crazy to me that seven years ago, everyone's like, wow, Bitcoin, you buy it and it'll be worth a lot of money.

01:40:34.000 And people didn't.

01:40:36.000 I couldn't imagine what it must be like to be someone who saw a cycle every couple of years of Bitcoin going up, seeing mass adoption, countries adopting it, and then be like, but I'm not going to even try to buy any of that.

01:40:51.000 I couldn't imagine that, because I did buy it ten years ago, and now it's worth a lot of money.

01:40:58.000 And it's great.

01:40:59.000 Feels good.

01:41:00.000 Maybe I'll go disappear and retire with my cryptocurrency.

01:41:04.000 But it's kind of crazy to me that there are a lot of people who are tweeting, like, no, don't buy it, it's worthless, it'll go to zero, and all this stuff.

01:41:10.000 And I'm like, I don't know, a lot of stocks can go to zero, I guess.

01:41:14.000 I mean, the only pathway to zero is essentially our government regulates it to death, right?

01:41:18.000 It's impossible.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, and so, like, obviously you should buy, right?

01:41:22.000 I mean, that's kind of the framing.

01:41:24.000 I think there's a lot of fear-mongering coming from Treasury under this administration that, you know, we're going to crack down, but it hasn't happened.

01:41:30.000 It doesn't even matter, though, because, like, El Salvador uses it as a national currency at this point.

01:41:35.000 Yeah.

01:41:37.000 You know, so I have people saying to me, like, you better sell, and I was like, for me, Bitcoin would have to drop to a thousand-something for me to lose money.

01:41:45.000 And so I'm kind of just like, oh, whatever.

01:41:46.000 Yeah.

01:41:47.000 When it was at 60, I was like, whoa!

01:41:48.000 When it dropped to 19, I was like, wow!

01:41:50.000 And now it's back up to 74, and I'm like, whoa!

01:41:52.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:54.000 If it drops down to a thousand, I'd be like, oh, whatever, I guess.

01:41:58.000 Yeah, you ride the highs, you know?

01:41:59.000 I would certainly buy some if it came down to that.

01:42:02.000 Oh, yeah, sure, I guess.

01:42:04.000 Let's go!

01:42:05.000 Here we go.

01:42:06.000 Let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:42:08.000 Tim Crespi says, PBD made his fortune in multi-level marketing insurance scheme. 0.91

01:42:13.000 Doesn't surprise me he is a liar, harms others, and hired Chris Cuomo. 0.54

01:42:17.000 He's the Herbalife of Insurance. 0.98

01:42:18.000 Is that true?

01:42:19.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:42:21.000 He had an insurance company and he sold it or something?

01:42:25.000 I can't confirm, but I have heard stuff similar to that.

01:42:30.000 Isaac Vanderbilt says, there goes the First Amendment, next is the guns.

01:42:33.000 Is that a reference to the TikTok, uh, divestiture bill?

01:42:36.000 There you go.

01:42:38.000 ThatOneGamer says, rip Mr. Bocas, he's vibin' with Roberto Jr.

01:42:41.000 in a better place.

01:42:43.000 Yeah, they be chillin'.

01:42:44.000 That's right.

01:42:47.000 Ricky says, Flappy Bird can be banned simply from the Play Store making a decision, but somehow banning TikTok requires an act of Congress.

01:42:53.000 Yeah, sure.

01:42:54.000 Yes, it's because Apple and Google won't ban it.

01:42:57.000 That's why.

01:42:58.000 So, when the Play Stores are deciding they're gonna ban it, they do.

01:43:03.000 For whatever reason.

01:43:04.000 Yeah, I mean, there's been dozens of letters from Congress asking them to delist the application, outlining all these same issues, and they just haven't done it.

01:43:11.000 So, this is obviously the next step.

01:43:14.000 MedMutt says, good evening Tim and company.

01:43:16.000 Was listening to today's segments and was saddened to hear about Mr. Bocas.

01:43:19.000 I wish to offer my condolences and heartfelt sympathies to your loss and especially to Ian, who I'm sure will feel his loss greatly.

01:43:27.000 I appreciate it.

01:43:28.000 We had a physical trainer come in today and we were doing some exercise and skated a little bit too.

01:43:36.000 And when we were in the workout room, it's a relatively small room, We we always keep the door closed.

01:43:41.000 And right after we finished our warm ups, I was like, I got to make sure we have the protein shake.

01:43:45.000 I got my protein shake in the fridge because I don't want to be warm.

01:43:48.000 And then I was and then I immediately thought better keep the door closed.

01:43:50.000 And oh, wait, I don't have to worry about that anymore.

01:43:52.000 Because Mr. Buckley was missing from the stairs was really weird.

01:43:56.000 Yeah, we had a gate to keep Mr. Bogus from going upstairs because he likes to pee on everything.

01:44:00.000 He liked to pee on everything.

01:44:02.000 So... And then I was like, oh, I guess we don't need to close the door anymore.

01:44:05.000 We can just open it.

01:44:07.000 Because there's no more Mr. Bogus.

01:44:09.000 Sad days, sad days.

01:44:11.000 For me personally, we now have Seamus.

01:44:14.000 Seamus 1.

01:44:15.000 So the new cat that we got, it's really interesting, around the time that Mr. Bocas became ill, a cat was born.

01:44:24.000 He looks like Tom from Tom and Jerry, and then just under a year, so this is December, he was living in our garage, and I captured him, we gave him Stockholm Syndrome, and then we removed his testicles, and now we have dominion over him.

01:44:39.000 And his name is Seamus One.

01:44:41.000 Not to be confused with the ingrate who has abandoned us, Seamus Two, who is a cartoonist.

01:44:47.000 But it was actually a joke.

01:44:49.000 We were driving the car.

01:44:50.000 I think it was me and Allison and Seamus, we were driving.

01:44:54.000 And we were trying to come up with a name for him or something.

01:44:58.000 And I was like, let's just call him Seamus.

01:45:00.000 And then he started, Seamus was like, no.

01:45:01.000 And it was a joke.

01:45:02.000 But then everyone started calling the cat Seamus.

01:45:04.000 And I was like, we should probably give him a real name.

01:45:06.000 But everyone's like, no, no, it's hilarious.

01:45:08.000 You know? 0.98

01:45:08.000 Because then we would go on the show and be like, oh yeah, Seamus went in and get his testicles removed. 0.98

01:45:12.000 And they'd be like, what?

01:45:15.000 So, you know, now we have a cat named Seamus, I guess.

01:45:18.000 Alright, Redeemed Rogue Molecule says, finally tried primetime grind 2x caffeine for the 10th poop velocity, 10x poop velocity.

01:45:26.000 I feel invincible.

01:45:27.000 Drink responsibly!

01:45:29.000 Is that how Alex Stein is advertising it?

01:45:31.000 I don't know.

01:45:32.000 Because I talked to Alex and he was like, he's like, Tim, I will promote this coffee, you have no idea.

01:45:36.000 I was like, well, we'd love to sponsor the show and...

01:45:38.000 Support you so we sponsor we sponsor Alex Stein's show on the blaze

01:45:41.000 We're big fans And we're probably gonna sponsor more people and we're

01:45:45.000 talking about making different blends for different personalities

01:45:48.000 And then have paying them to basically do promotions on their shows. I

01:45:51.000 Wonder if is that how he's he's advertising is cuz that'd be funny

01:45:56.000 All right Let's go.

01:46:02.000 What do we have here?

01:46:03.000 KingFoePanda says, Tim, maybe someone should axe at Elon Musk and see if Axe would revive Vine as the free speech TikTok.

01:46:11.000 Someone did a while ago, and I think he said he was interested in doing that.

01:46:14.000 He should.

01:46:15.000 So many people became famous on Vine.

01:46:17.000 And they got rid of it.

01:46:18.000 It was the weirdest thing.

01:46:20.000 Overnight.

01:46:21.000 Yeah.

01:46:21.000 They were like, let's let's destroy this very, very popular product.

01:46:24.000 And then give TikTok- It was a Twitter product, I think, right?

01:46:27.000 Well, it was- Twitter bought it.

01:46:29.000 Okay.

01:46:29.000 And then destroyed it.

01:46:31.000 Hmm.

01:46:32.000 It made no sense.

01:46:33.000 I have no idea.

01:46:36.000 All right.

01:46:37.000 Benjamin Laszlo says, I got the notification on TikTok to call my congressmen.

01:46:41.000 I then called them and told them that it should be banned.

01:46:45.000 Totally made my day.

01:46:47.000 It's not so much that it should be banned, it's that we don't want Chinese interests influencing the algorithm that's affecting our kids. 0.99

01:46:53.000 I'll put it really, really simple.

01:46:54.000 We do not want communists to infiltrate our institutions and infect the minds of our children.

01:47:00.000 It's one of the biggest things we're fighting right now in the culture war is stopping the schools from having these communists bring this awful pornographic content to kids.

01:47:07.000 And that's what TikTok does, in some form or another.

01:47:11.000 And so the issue is, like, we don't gotta ban it.

01:47:13.000 We just have to take away their ability to control that algorithm.

01:47:16.000 There you go.

01:47:17.000 And it's not perfect, because I think Facebook's doing a good job.

01:47:20.000 I would rather Jeff Bezos own TikTok than the Chinese Communist Party have influence in it.

01:47:24.000 Yeah.

01:47:25.000 It's like, at the very least, lawyers in this country can sue and file FOIA requests, and we were able to do that to get information from Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.

01:47:34.000 Now here we are.

01:47:35.000 With TikTok, what are you gonna do?

01:47:36.000 Chinese Communist Party isn't gonna laugh in your face.

01:47:37.000 They're not gonna come sit in the Congress building and stuff, right?

01:47:40.000 Yeah, I mean, like, the time the Chinese CEO or the Singaporean-based CEO comes and speaks to Congress, he just blatantly lies, right?

01:47:48.000 And then he just is able to keep going on as though nothing happened, and the issue just persists.

01:47:52.000 So, yeah, it's a non-issue.

01:47:54.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 Rishanda Yates says, RIP Mr. Bocas.

01:47:57.000 My cool aunt is a tapestry artist specializing in animals. 1.00

01:48:01.000 Some people commission her for pet memorial art.

01:48:04.000 Google Barbara Yates Beasley.

01:48:08.000 Alright, thanks for that.

01:48:09.000 You know what I want to do?

01:48:10.000 I wonder if anyone can make a statue.

01:48:12.000 Like a small bronze statue.

01:48:14.000 And then we can put it outside of, uh, Freedomistan or something.

01:48:17.000 And we'll get, uh, we have an AI picture of him.

01:48:21.000 Yeah, so we've got actual pictures.

01:48:24.000 And then as I was leaving the workout session today with the trainer, we have a box that's been sitting in what is effectively our mail room for months, for like four months, and it's a cold plunge that we've never set up.

01:48:40.000 And the top of the box is shredded to bits.

01:48:44.000 There's a giant hole through it.

01:48:46.000 Because that was Bocas's nail-sharpening box, and he just, over time scratching it, carved a huge hole, and so we're going to frame that panel from the box, and, uh, there's another little sign on the door that says to keep the door closed, or our, you know- Mischief escape artist, something like that.

01:49:05.000 Yeah, we'll get out, and so we're gonna put that with the box, and we're gonna frame it, and we're gonna hang it up, and that's gonna be his little memorial thing.

01:49:12.000 Mr. Bocas!

01:49:13.000 He made us some money.

01:49:14.000 He sold coffee.

01:49:14.000 He was very famous.

01:49:15.000 And I was surprised to learn that Mr. Bocas was trending nationwide on X. So I want to give a thank you to everybody on X. I tweeted that Mr. Bocas passed, and it got something like 2,000 retweets.

01:49:28.000 And a lot of people who had come by the show, who had met him, posted as well.

01:49:33.000 Rest in peace.

01:49:33.000 And it is an honor and a privilege to all of you.

01:49:37.000 To have so many friends who shared photos of Mr. Bocas and said, rest in peace, to the extent that it resulted in a nationwide trend, Mr. Bocas.

01:49:46.000 And I didn't believe it.

01:49:47.000 And then someone sent it to me and I was like, whoa, I didn't even check.

01:49:51.000 But what happened was when I tweeted it and got thousands of retweets, tons of very high profile accounts and people had been in the show had retweeted it and posted as well, Mr. Bocas, that resulted in a massive trend.

01:50:02.000 So I do appreciate it.

01:50:03.000 It's very nice.

01:50:04.000 Sometimes the world is pretty good, huh?

01:50:08.000 Greg Wessel says, any thoughts on Brandon Herrera forcing a runoff against Tony Gonzalez in Texas District 23?

01:50:16.000 Let's go Brandon!

01:50:18.000 I dig it!

01:50:18.000 Brandon's great.

01:50:20.000 Gotta have him on the show again.

01:50:22.000 We can talk about it.

01:50:23.000 Very excited, hope he wins!

01:50:26.000 Alright, Joe Spinella says, clearly you never heard of the Patriot Act.

01:50:29.000 That bills can be easily modified in the dead of night.

01:50:32.000 Massey knows this, Paul knows this.

01:50:35.000 So is there a risk that after they've passed the bill, the bill will be modified in a very bad way and wouldn't have to be passed again after being amended?

01:50:43.000 No, it would have to go through the procedure again.

01:50:45.000 I think the risk here is that the current bill could go to a committee like Commerce, and Commerce could derail the effort.

01:50:51.000 They could poison pill it.

01:50:52.000 They could put all sorts of stuff in it.

01:50:54.000 And then obviously, I think Charlie Kirk said this, we reserve the right to revoke our support, right?

01:51:00.000 Turn into something horrible.

01:51:02.000 Everyone would sound the alarm.

01:51:03.000 I'd be the first one out there, but we are on a pathway of this bill in this current state clearing and then it is set in stone and it would take an act of Congress to amend it and it would all be public.

01:51:12.000 We'd all be able to track it and you'd be able to call your Congress.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, I don't understand this argument for people who are like, oh no, they're coming for our free speech and I was like China's. 1.00

01:51:20.000 Like they're coming for China's free speech in our country with a massive multinational corporation that is telling our young people to sterilize themselves?

01:51:27.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 Well, okay, I guess.

01:51:29.000 Well, I mean, if the platform is, you know, if they do divest, it lives on in its exact current state.

01:51:35.000 There isn't even a material change made to the algorithm required.

01:51:39.000 And so the transfer, like there's all sorts of things.

01:51:41.000 Yeah, there's all sorts of things that absolutely should change about TikTok's algorithm.

01:51:45.000 This bill doesn't even do that.

01:51:46.000 So your first amendment is absolutely protected.

01:51:49.000 Crazy!

01:51:50.000 Alright.

01:51:51.000 D99 says, Supersonic's eyes are red and only changed from black in the old classic, uh, classic sprite games.

01:52:00.000 The blue eyed screenshot was from a trailer six months ago.

01:52:02.000 Oh, interesting.

01:52:04.000 Well, we were talking about how Goku in Dragon Ball Z is, in order to become powerful he becomes Aryan. 1.00

01:52:11.000 His hair turns blonde and his eyes turn blue and that signifies he has tremendous power.

01:52:16.000 Yeah.

01:52:17.000 And then Sonic the Hedgehog turns gold when he gets the Chaos Emeralds.

01:52:20.000 But apparently his eyes don't turn blue.

01:52:22.000 Hey look man.

01:52:23.000 Tim Brackett says, no Cuomo. Thanks Tim for standing up for integrity in media. Hey look man,

01:52:27.000 there are some people that I think deserve opportunities to apologize and as much as I

01:52:35.000 dislike Cuomo, I would be... if he came out and outright admitted everything he did and said it

01:52:40.000 was wrong, I don't know.

01:52:42.000 I Might actually be like, okay Well, you have to allow people to walk towards the light if you don't they'll walk towards darkness But as far as I know, he's not done that He's just being given all these great positions and this he's being given a path to redemption without apology or acceptance of a responsibility So not a fan of any of that If he came out and was like, here's what CNN did, like blew the whistle and exposed it.

01:53:05.000 If he was like, CNN made me do the quarantine thing and here's what they said to me and here's why I did it and I was under contract so I couldn't say anything.

01:53:12.000 I'd be like, okay, well, you know, it's a good thing that he's talking about all this, addressing it and exposing it, but he's not doing that. 0.99

01:53:18.000 So for now, he's just another lying scumbag. 1.00

01:53:21.000 Let's go. 0.99

01:53:24.000 Derek Jacobson says, bills of, what is this, attainder, are explicitly prohibited twice in the Constitution.

01:53:31.000 This bill is illegal and will be blocked by the courts.

01:53:34.000 Yeah, so this is one we're hearing all the time, and it's simply not true.

01:53:37.000 So bill of attainder essentially means that a bill cannot target and penalize a particular company or individual.

01:53:43.000 So it can't be used as like a weapon, right?

01:53:45.000 But there is nothing in bill of attainder, in these statutes, that blocks the ability to regulate a particular entity.

01:53:50.000 This is a regulation, this isn't a punishment.

01:53:53.000 And it's clear as day.

01:53:54.000 That is the reason I was able to clear out 50-0 unanimous vote.

01:53:58.000 Bill of Attainment has been what has been blocking every single one of these bills.

01:54:01.000 These congressmen know that.

01:54:02.000 And it cleared 50-0 out of Energy and Commerce, and then this resounding 300-plus vote victory on the House floor.

01:54:09.000 So obviously Bill of Attainment is not an issue.

01:54:12.000 It's that distinction, right?

01:54:13.000 Penalization versus regulation.

01:54:16.000 You know what I think happens?

01:54:19.000 Uh, I think once TikTok realized they were on the chopping block, they immediately started promoting, uh, out- This is my assumption of what is likely.

01:54:28.000 I don't know exactly what happened.

01:54:30.000 But I'd imagine that they started promoting a bunch of young, more right-leaning personalities, so that they would build attachment to the platform, and then start defending it.

01:54:39.000 So now, you have people who are like, I've got hundreds of thousands of followers on this platform, I don't wanna get banned.

01:54:45.000 Like, I use this platform, what the- Yeah.

01:54:48.000 Well, and what's really interesting, we were talking about this earlier, there's no way to verify the follower count that it's actually authentic.

01:54:54.000 There is no way to verify the view count.

01:54:56.000 You don't even know if it's a one-to-one view ratio, right?

01:54:58.000 There's no transparency to that.

01:55:00.000 One view could actually equal 10.

01:55:03.000 All of those views could be in Singapore.

01:55:05.000 They could be in any other country, right?

01:55:07.000 There is no way to verify any of this.

01:55:09.000 So you have this right-wing influencer contingent that really believes they're doing good work spreading the word, but there is no proof.

01:55:15.000 That this is actually meaningfully improving the situation on the ground.

01:55:19.000 So, you know, the way I kind of gauge the power of a platform is real world interactions.

01:55:26.000 And I get a lot of people saying, oh, I watch you on Facebook.

01:55:31.000 That's crazy to me.

01:55:33.000 Cause I'm like, wow, we just passively post segments on Facebook.

01:55:36.000 We don't really, and they're very censorious, but I meet a lot of people when I'm out and they'll be like, Oh, I'm a big fan.

01:55:41.000 I get your posts on Facebook all the time.

01:55:42.000 I was like, wow.

01:55:44.000 Uh, I've gotten people saying Twitter slash X only a couple of times, but YouTube is the obvious and most dominant.

01:55:52.000 When I track numbers to, uh, If we're... I'll say it like this.

01:56:00.000 The most valuable platform is iTunes.

01:56:03.000 A view on iTunes is probably the... I believe podcast views are probably the most legitimate rating system in all of media.

01:56:12.000 And it's apparent because of your sales metrics.

01:56:15.000 So when we do sponsor spots on YouTube, it's like 10% of what iTunes pulls in.

01:56:20.000 And I'm like, now how is that possible?

01:56:23.000 If we're getting 200,000 on a YouTube clip with a promo, but we're only selling a tenth of what we sell on iTunes, well the reality is, YouTube views are weak.

01:56:34.000 Facebook views are extremely weak.

01:56:36.000 Twitter views are extremely weak.

01:56:39.000 I don't know about TikTok, because we don't sell, we've never sold sponsored spots on it, but you sell a sponsored spot on a podcast, and you sell ten times as much.

01:56:48.000 So if we did a, hey, buy coffee here, the overwhelming majority of people are coming from the podcast, which likely is indicative of people, the people who are watching on podcasts are actual human beings, they're actual unique human beings who are listening and watching the show, where YouTube, you probably have a lot of, I clicked it and then I clicked out.

01:57:07.000 So it counts as a view, they hung around, they didn't really pay attention, whereas people who go on a podcast actually end up listening to the whole thing.

01:57:12.000 So, like for instance, we get way more views on YouTube for Timcast IRL, but the revenue generated is... We get more views on YouTube, and so it's not proportional in terms of views, but based on the CPM, the Timcast IRL ads are way more than we could ever do on YouTube.

01:57:35.000 I think it has to do with viewership.

01:57:37.000 So, in my view, what I know about TikTok, I would make the assumption that most of the views are fake.

01:57:45.000 And so, the smartest thing China could do, or I should say these companies, is they're like, look, Trump supporters are advocating for our removal.

01:57:53.000 Quick, give them a million followers.

01:57:55.000 Yeah.

01:57:55.000 Then they'll absolutely say, no, don't ban it.

01:57:57.000 No, don't.

01:57:58.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 You can't even prove the followers are real.

01:58:00.000 Yeah, and I think that is more than likely what we're seeing.

01:58:03.000 It's not that big of a leap.

01:58:05.000 And, I mean, really look at the community organizing efforts.

01:58:08.000 Like, what is attributed to TikTok?

01:58:10.000 If you have all of these, you know, great conservative influencers posting these, like, get out the vote videos, like, who's really going out there saying, I was told to vote in my congressional race by this TikTok influencer?

01:58:21.000 In all likelihood, even if the views are real, they're probably going to a non-American English speaking country.

01:58:26.000 That's the most likely, This is a great super chat from Mike Hillier.

01:58:30.000 Says, I remember Tim yelling VPNs would be blocked by this bill yesterday till he was shown the bill by PSA Sitch.

01:58:35.000 This is a great super chat from Mike Hillier.

01:58:37.000 He says, I remember Tim yelling VPNs would be blocked by this bill yesterday till he

01:58:41.000 was shown the bill by PSA Sitch.

01:58:43.000 I do not watch PSA Sitch.

01:58:45.000 He showed me nothing.

01:58:46.000 What actually happened was Thomas Massey posted an out of context excerpt and I trusted Thomas

01:58:52.000 Massey and I said, based on this reading, I tweeted, this would ban telegram and VPNs.

01:58:58.000 I'm like, that sounds terrible.

01:58:59.000 So I pulled the bill up and went, holy crap, that's not true.

01:59:02.000 That's not in the bill. 0.85

01:59:04.000 Now I'm kind of pissed off that I tweeted.

01:59:05.000 Maybe I should go and delete that tweet.

01:59:07.000 I wasn't even thinking about it.

01:59:08.000 It would not delete, uh, block VPNs.

01:59:11.000 That's only based off of the limited tweet by Thomas Massie, which did not provide actual context to anybody who follows him, so I'm very pissed off about that.

01:59:19.000 And then I read it, and I was like, wait, wait, wait.

01:59:21.000 It has to be a platform controlled by a foreign adversary, which is defined by Congress, which is one of four countries.

01:59:29.000 You have to be able to create an account, log in, post content, share content, and others have to be able to log in and view that content.

01:59:36.000 Okay, so VPNs are not subject to this.

01:59:39.000 And it's basically owned, and it has to have a million users.

01:59:42.000 Okay, so I was like, what is this?

01:59:44.000 Why are all of these people going online and screaming and bashing their faces on the wall and lying about this?

01:59:50.000 I don't get it.

01:59:51.000 It's what information warfare looks like, right?

01:59:52.000 Like we're living through one of the probably greatest battles we've experienced on the internet.

01:59:57.000 The fight for the longevity of this platform.

02:00:00.000 China's waging a good fight.

02:00:01.000 Why is Trump now opposed to banning TikTok?

02:00:04.000 Well, I think the political moment is very complicated for him.

02:00:09.000 There's a lot of business interest in preserving it, and I think that it is, like, from his POV, probably the right position.

02:00:16.000 Make it Biden's problem.

02:00:17.000 You know, maybe you get all the TikTok voters.

02:00:21.000 Biden will sign the bill, and then you will get a wave of Gen Z saying, Biden screwed us over and destroyed us.

02:00:27.000 And it's like, you can't really fault him.

02:00:28.000 He's out of power.

02:00:29.000 Even if he, you know, wasn't supportive of it, he wouldn't be able to sign it.

02:00:31.000 So like, why would you take a politically controversial stance?

02:00:35.000 You really can't blame him for it.

02:00:37.000 I wish he was in support of it.

02:00:38.000 I thought his 2020 executive order was great.

02:00:41.000 But you know, things keep moving and hopefully we get a TikTok ban here.

02:00:46.000 Yeah, he's trying to make sure that young people just don't come out for Biden.

02:00:50.000 Yeah.

02:00:50.000 Alright, we'll just grab one last Super Chat.

02:00:53.000 Steve McGee says, you're a rad cat dad.

02:00:56.000 Thanks for taking care of Bocas. 0.98

02:00:57.000 Had a dog that left early.

02:00:59.000 You gave him a great life.

02:01:00.000 Mr. Bocas was the 1% of kitties. 0.73

02:01:05.000 And he was very lucky, rescued, and unfortunately, you know, as I've said a million times, his kidneys were underdeveloped, they were very small, and so they were working overtime, basically doing two times the work, which resulted in a shortened lifespan.

02:01:21.000 So, you know, we were surprised that he was getting sick because cats actually have these really good kidneys.

02:01:25.000 But older cats usually die of renal failure.

02:01:28.000 And so when we found out that he was having renal failure, and we were like, how is this possible?

02:01:32.000 He was like five years, he was four, five, he was four years old when...

02:01:36.000 Yeah, four and a half.

02:01:38.000 And they said they're very small.

02:01:40.000 He's underdeveloped.

02:01:41.000 Was he a rescue?

02:01:42.000 I was like, yeah.

02:01:43.000 And they're like, and he's also got a heart problem.

02:01:45.000 So we tried everything.

02:01:46.000 We gave him stem cells.

02:01:48.000 And they even said that he could do a kidney transplant.

02:01:50.000 What they do is a cat that is going to be put down because nobody wants to adopt it or whatever.

02:01:56.000 They will take one of its kidneys and give it to your cat, and you must adopt that cat.

02:02:00.000 So you save that cat, and it saves your cat, and then you're responsible for both.

02:02:04.000 And I said, done!

02:02:05.000 And they said, Mr. Bocas' heart will fail.

02:02:08.000 It can't handle a transplant.

02:02:09.000 And so they were like, give him medication, see how long he lasts, and that was it.

02:02:13.000 Alright everybody, well we're going to go to the members-only show.

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02:02:32.000 What do you got?

02:02:32.000 What are you shouting out over here?

02:02:33.000 Yeah, follow me on xrealjdenton and follow our work at the Heritage Foundation.

02:02:38.000 We're doing a lot on artificial intelligence.

02:02:39.000 I've got a new op-ed out with Compact talking about that content moderation regime we talked about.

02:02:44.000 So yeah, there'll be a lot more coming in the next few weeks from us.

02:02:49.000 Shout out to Mr. Bocas.

02:02:50.000 He lived a long, great life, and he went too soon.

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02:03:03.000 Very excited about that.

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02:03:05.000 Nice.

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02:03:20.000 Thanks, John, and shoutouts to everyone at the Heritage Foundation.

02:03:23.000 When we were there previously in the past, they were really accommodating.

02:03:25.000 Carter was there with me as well.

02:03:27.000 That's right.

02:03:27.000 Awesome.

02:03:28.000 Is it John?

02:03:29.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 Pardon me, Mr. Denton.

02:03:31.000 I don't know.

02:03:31.000 Pardon me.

02:03:33.000 Sorry.

02:03:34.000 Yeah, whatever.

02:03:36.000 Anyways, cheers.

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