In the wake of the Maryland Man Hoax, the media continues to lie about the identity of the man named in court documents as being from Maryland. And boy is the media pissed about it. Today, we talk about what happened at the White House, why the media is lying, and why we should be mad.
00:01:51.000The Trump administration is canceling student loan forgiveness, and they're going to begin collections.
00:01:55.000A bunch of really small stories and some independent research.
00:02:00.000It looks like Elsagate has returned, and YouTube is promoting to hundreds of millions of viewers, probably babies, creepy AI videos, just like we saw almost 10 years ago.
00:02:11.000Now, we do have a bunch of other smaller stories, but today...
00:02:14.000We actually were going back and forth on this, and I want to stress, I wasn't so sure if we should lead with me and ourselves, but I guess we will because this actually is a top-trending story on X. It's the third largest-trending story or highest-trending story in the country that I sat in the new media seat,
00:02:32.000I, Tim Pool, and asked a question about the media lying in what's called the Maryland man hoax.
00:02:38.000And boy, is the media pissed about it.
00:02:40.000We knew they would be, and I thought I was being rather professional.
00:02:42.000So we can break down exactly how this went down and why I was at the White House and the reaction to it.
00:02:47.000But this does strike at the core of the Abrego Garcia story in which the media has been lying.
00:02:53.000And following the question I asked in the briefing room, which was intending to highlight that the media is lying about this story, they are continuing to lie and claim that a man from El Salvador, we got the court documents, is actually from Maryland.
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00:05:52.000And I look forward to talking to you gentlemen about the Freedom Caucus and what you've got going on, as well as Tim blowing up the news today.
00:06:39.000I said, We're an MS-13 gang member adjudicated by two different judges, I believe, is just simply being referred to as a Maryland man over and over.
00:06:56.000Now in an effort from the White House to expand access to new companies, you've created this new media seat.
00:07:00.000So I'm wondering if you can comment on this, on following this expansion.
00:07:03.000You've had numerous outlets disparage the companies that you've had sit here, as well as the reporters.
00:07:09.000I'm wondering if you would comment on that unprofessional behavior, as well as elaborate if there's any plans to expand access to new companies.
00:07:17.000And Karen Levitt certainly did then point out the Maryland man story.
00:07:30.000I'm going to show you the document literally right here.
00:07:33.000This is the actual court document from 2019, which states, number one, he is not a citizen or national of the U.S., two, he's a native of El Salvador, three, he entered at an unknown place in an unknown date, and four, was not admitted or paroled by an immigration officer.
00:07:47.000At a master calendar hearing, the respondent, through counsel, admitted the factual allegations contained in the NTA and conceded removability as charged.
00:07:55.000I want to stress, admitted the factual allegations.
00:09:09.000Why is the media using the phrase Maryland man to refer to a guy from El Salvador who is only here illegally?
00:09:16.000They are doing it because they are factual but not truthful.
00:09:19.000It is a fact the man, for now, is illegally residing in Maryland.
00:09:24.000But that does not make him a Maryland dad.
00:09:27.000It makes him an illegal immigrant arrested in Maryland.
00:09:30.000And if that's the narrative they went with, an illegal immigrant arrested in Maryland, Abrego Garcia, I wouldn't be having this conversation with all of you right now.
00:09:38.000The point that I was bringing up to the press secretary was that the media in this room is largely composed of an incurious, uncurious group of people who do not investigate.
00:09:54.000And they use each other as sources and say the same narrative.
00:09:58.000Not a single one of them is concerned about the fact that they didn't actually pull the court documents and that they're falsely representing that this man is, quote, from Maryland.
00:10:06.000And it is so egregious, in fact, that Hassan Piker, one of the biggest streamers on the left, did not know.
00:10:59.000Elad said, I really think you should ask about these Chinese nationals that Riley Moore wants to remove from this country, ship their student visas.
00:11:08.000Rep. Riley Moore has introduced this bill.
00:11:09.000And I said, that's actually a really good question.
00:11:46.000How many times are they going to all in unison lie about what's going on?
00:11:51.000So, my frustration is, when they bring in but one chair, one chair for someone like me to sit in, the New York Times, Politico, numerous journalists from various outlets all begin disparaging us, as if what really matters to those people is that their sick club of lying sycophants pretend like they're speaking truth to power.
00:12:14.000In which case, when I say these large, massive multimedia corporations are lying to the American people, it's a softball, which implies I'm supposed to be grilling Carolyn Levitt for some reason.
00:12:27.000No, I'm seeking a comment from the press secretary on the fact that they have allowed all of this media in the room, who just lie all day every day, and there's one chair in this room for new media.
00:13:11.000After you said that, after the press conference was over, did you have any reporters come up to you and say, you're right, but I've got a job to do?
00:13:20.000Or were they giving you side eyes and nasty looks?
00:13:23.000So I'm sitting down and I can't really see much of the room.
00:13:28.000They brought me in through the same – it's crazy.
00:13:32.000The doors are these big, thick, like steel, and they slide open.
00:13:36.000And I came through the same door as the press secretary, as Carolyn Levitt.
00:13:41.000So when I walked in, the room was full.
00:14:26.000He's got the straightforward, serious questions.
00:14:28.000I actually wanted to say a lot more, but I figured I'd stick to decorum.
00:14:31.000Because what I was going to say is, to all the people in the room, I will never sit in this chair again if they just open up the seats in this room to other media companies that are at least trying to find the truth.
00:14:45.000All of these journalists in there, all their outlets report the exact same things.
00:14:50.000Now, they have brought, and I think around 20% have been from new media outlets, but they're all standing up.
00:14:56.000Why is Mary Margaret from the Daily Wire standing off to the side when they're arguably getting more viewership on these issues than many of the people sitting in those chairs?
00:15:07.000I keep thinking about the Michael Malice quote.
00:15:10.000No matter how much you hate the corporate media, you don't hate them enough.
00:17:44.000Yeah. Well, I mean, the whole stick here, not stick, apologies, but IRL's calling it the media and calling it their lies for the last bunch of years, so I'm glad you went on the main stage in the freaking White House in front of all those scumbags, media folks, and called them out in front of their faces.
00:17:57.000Yeah, I mean, look, the legacy media has been extremely critical of not just alternative media and podcasters, but of Tim personally.
00:18:09.000There's nothing wrong with going into the...
00:18:11.000Into the White House briefing room and rubbing their nose in it.
00:18:14.000I mean, honestly, what's wrong with it?
00:18:16.000They've written hit piece after hit piece after hit piece about, again, about Tim personally.
00:18:23.000Timcast and the podcasting space and alternative media, they have lost badly, and there's nothing wrong with going in there and reminding them, you are not in control of this.
00:18:36.000This is a room paid for by the American people.
00:18:39.000And so having access, people like Tim or whether it be The Daily Wire or whoever, having access for them is just as legitimate as ABC or NBC or MSNBC.
00:18:50.000And not just legitimate, but like necessary.
00:18:53.000Yeah. Again, like the Daily Wire is getting substantially more traffic than many of the news outlets that are given seats.
00:19:02.000And still very much this cabal, the White House, what is it, the press corps, the Correspondence Association or whatever, still has a lot of control in the space.
00:19:12.000And I'll tell you what was really freaky, just as an aside, is, you know, I'm planning on asking this question.
00:19:19.000And I had a variety of ways to frame it.
00:19:22.000And the moment the briefing starts, Carolyn Levitt says, I'd like to give a round of applause to this photographer who's been here for 44 years.
00:19:29.000And the whole room is clapping with smiles on their faces for this journalist.
00:20:06.000For those that are not familiar, this guy is one of the most prominent leftist streamers.
00:20:12.000And he was shocked to see me in this chair.
00:20:15.000But what this clip reveals is that he literally did not know that Abrego Garcia, the MS-13 gang member, a legal immigrant, was from El Salvador.
00:20:46.000And he thought the point I was making was nitpicking whether it was D.C. or Maryland as opposed to pointing out this guy illegally under the country as the court has already determined.
00:22:11.000This is the court document showing dude is from El Salvador.
00:22:15.000But the reason I stress this again, the first thing I'll say is, for those that are watching the live show, you're like, Tim, you just told us this.
00:22:21.000Yes, but this will be a segment specifically addressing Hassan.
00:22:25.000When people like Hassan pull up these news stories and they march in lockdown, they genuinely believe, like, CNN's telling me the truth.
00:22:59.000We've said on the show numerous times, American citizens should not be going to El Salvador.
00:23:02.000But this is what the corporate press does.
00:23:05.000The fascinating thing I believe about all this is that it reminds me of the defund the police thing, which is a portion of the left gets fixated on something and it takes over the entire left side of the aisle to the point where they look absolutely berserk and crazy.
00:23:28.000A senator and four congressmen going down to El Salvador to a prison to meet and shake hands and have margaritas with an MS-13 gang member.
00:23:45.000And so, like, if you want to pulverize the horse, kill it, turn it into glue, cat food, turn it into ash, I say we just keep doing it until they stop talking about it.
00:24:57.000But like he he actually kind of is emblematic of the left in that they can't help but take the side of the bad guys.
00:25:07.000The left was on the side of the people that were firebombing cities across the country in 2020.
00:25:12.000The vice president, the former vice president, Kamala Harris, was actually advertising a website to help pay for the legal fund for people that were arrested, not for protesting, but for actually rioting.
00:27:53.000For Mr. Andy, your question of beating the—I have a question for you.
00:27:57.000Yeah. The problem with the right, a lot of times, is we always follow the narratives of the left.
00:28:01.000We let them tell us the stories, and Tim's been beating, we've been beating this dead horse for months, for weeks now.
00:28:08.000Why can't we just stop and start talking about what we want to talk about and have them follow us instead of us follow them?
00:28:13.000I think the chief reason is because the deck is stacked against us.
00:28:19.000Because the corporate media is so large and funded so predominantly by corporate interests that it's tough to suffocate that noise and talk about what we want to.
00:28:32.000I mean, gosh, Caroline Levitt would be happy to talk about what we want to talk about every day.
00:28:37.000But when there's only one guy in the room who's...
00:28:40.000Doesn't Donald Trump just tweet and set the narrative?
00:28:43.000I feel like what you're saying is actually contrary to the reality.
00:28:48.000I would agree with you because we have talked about it before that I've said in the past we need to start telling them what the story is, and we've been increasingly doing it.
00:28:57.000I think this election, the podcast presidency, was the inflection point where this is a tug-of-war.
00:29:02.000So Signalgate versus Maryland Manhoax is a good example of this.
00:29:07.000Well, actually, they ran face-first into that on accident.
00:29:11.000But see how they're trying to shift back to Pete Hegseth?
00:30:09.000Like I said, it's a feature, not a bug.
00:30:11.000If you go all the way back to the French Revolution, you got Marat and the guys running the papers.
00:30:15.000Once they realize, hey, we can turn on this outrage machine and rile up the Saint-Culot to go store in the Bastille or whatever, they've never turned it off.
00:30:23.000And that's the lesson the left has learned that we're just starting to figure out, I think, on the right, where we can set the narrative if we have Trump in the White House tweeting about it, if we've got a few pointed media companies that
00:31:27.000And they had similar hats, but I was like, I'm going to wear it.
00:31:32.000Most of the talking points that you're hearing from the left, especially people like Hassan and like Harry Sisson, it's just a vehicle for the ad hominem.
00:33:08.000They're imploding more than they already were.
00:33:10.000I don't want to give this guy too much airtime.
00:33:13.000I will play a little bit of this, but we have another clip of David Hogg getting absolutely annihilated because he has no idea what he's talking about, and he's destroying the Democratic Party.
00:34:04.000I've got to be honest, that's actually the right thing to do.
00:34:07.000What Donald Trump is doing, and this is something that Secretary Noem told me, is that getting the message out to illegal immigrants, leave now of your own volition, otherwise you will face penalties, it's going to increase self-deportation.
00:34:19.000People are just going to leave, and that saves you money.
00:34:21.000If David Hogg can convince incumbent Democrats to quit out of fear, retire now before it's too late, he's going to save himself a fat sack of cash.
00:34:29.000But now we have this, where on ABC News, David Hogg, and he's one of four or three vice chairs of the DNC.
00:36:18.000This is the arrest report showing that Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia was arrested with MS-13.
00:36:26.000I just think it's fairly obvious that if you're wearing MS-13 gang clothes, that in and of itself doesn't really say much.
00:36:32.000You're wearing a Bulls hat and a jersey.
00:36:34.000However, if you're wearing their specific gang clothes and you're with them, Now we're going to start asking questions.
00:36:39.000Because if you were not part of MS-13, you might get in trouble with these guys.
00:36:44.000I genuinely wonder if people don't understand gang culture, but if you're in gang territory wearing the wrong colors, they will come up to you.
00:36:52.000This is very, very common for people from Chicago.
00:36:55.000I know I'm beating a dead horse on that one because I'm from there.
00:36:58.000You'll be walking down the street, and if you're wearing black and gold, someone's going to stop and say, You Latin King?
00:37:09.000So not only do we have evidence, okay?
00:37:12.000Evidence. That when officers then interviewed Kilmar Armando Obrego Garcia during the interview, officers observed he was wearing a bulls hat and hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes and ears and mouth, which is indicative of ver or, I don't know how to pronounce that, oy y calar, see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil, wearing the Chicago bulls hat,
00:37:28.000represents their member in good standing with MS-13.
00:37:30.000And then they interviewed an individual who said that he was a chequeo, right here, he had the rank of chequeo with the moniker of Chele.
00:37:39.000And then, of course, here is the document I've shown 50 billion times already that asserts in the hearing for removal that he is a citizen of El Salvador.
00:37:51.000So for David Hogg to then go on the show and say, you know damn well he was not...
00:37:55.000I feel like these people can't save their own party for the life of him.
00:38:07.000As soon as that was over, I bet, you know, there's clearly a void at the top in the Democrat Party, but whether it's Gavin Newsom, who's trying so hard to not be a progressive anymore, even though he is, Rahm Emanuel,
00:38:23.000who's going online or going on TV saying stop all the woke stuff, whether it's Obama, somebody's calling up David Hogg and saying you're not going to go on TV anymore.
00:39:37.000And you think David Hogg's now going to listen to what he has to say?
00:39:41.000Nope. And perhaps he was only called to tour because he wouldn't listen in the first place.
00:39:44.000So there's going to be someone with a check for the Democratic Party and Hogg's going to say, you're not giving that check to me and you never were going to.
00:39:54.000I don't see how, at least in the near future, they emerge with a coherent party.
00:40:01.000Well, right now, the Democrats don't know what they want to be.
00:40:03.000They don't know if they want to be progressives or if they want to be closer to mainstream, roconic-style Democrats.
00:40:11.000And also, if they decide to go with the progressives, the very progressives, which David Hogg is one of, they're not going to get any money.
00:40:18.000They'll get small donations from the...
00:40:20.000Average person that likes AOC, likes Bernie Sanders, and they might be able to get millions of dollars, but they're not going to get the big checks that go to PACs, which actually make a big difference.
00:40:31.000Hillary Clinton spent a billion dollars to lose to Donald Trump.
00:40:34.000Joe Biden and Kamala Harris spent a billion dollars to lose to Donald Trump.
00:40:39.000Joe Biden spent a billion dollars when he beat Donald Trump.
00:40:43.000That's the kind of money that it takes to win an election nowadays.
00:41:43.000History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, right?
00:41:45.000So if you look back, we've gone through cycles of this in the past on the left and the right, but it's historically either somebody on the younger side on the left in that Rohana style picks up the mantle and runs with the money.
00:42:02.000Or what's happened on the left more often is one of the older types sees an opportunity, adjust their politics, and try to take their money, their historic donors, and bring it with them and try to marry in the middle.
00:42:16.000And that's kind of what Bernie Sanders shot for but missed.
00:42:20.000And if Hillary Clinton probably would have knocked him off the edge, he might have been successful with that.
00:42:27.000I think political donors kind of fall in two camps.
00:42:30.000And this works on both sides of the aisle.
00:42:33.000There are the principal donors, and then there are the transactional donors.
00:42:38.000And if the money is not moving where it needs to go in budgets, in federal budgets or state budgets, The transactional donors will stop.
00:42:50.000And if you're talking about MS-13 illegal aliens or you're talking about transgender surgeries and stuff like that, and that prevents the money from moving in the budgets, the transactional money stops.
00:43:03.000I know that's a little complicated, but that's how I see the donor community.
00:43:08.000So are we optimistic then for the midterms, for the next four years?
00:43:42.000The biggest problem that the Republicans are going to face is the economy.
00:43:46.000And the Republicans need to actually provide good results for the American people.
00:43:54.000Because if they don't, the people that are going to come after them, the Democrats that will end up getting elected because the Americans don't like the Republicans because they didn't do...
00:44:49.000So the inflation rate in 1980 was 13%, and the Federal Reserve hiked interest rates to nearly 20%, and the economy officially entered into a recession.
00:45:00.000The U.S. federal debt to GDP in 1980 was 34.56.
00:45:05.000The current U.S. debt to GDP is 122.7.
00:45:14.000We're not going to be able to pay down the debt.
00:45:16.000Probably why the Doge effort is so important, but I don't believe that Doge is moving quickly enough to get our spending down.
00:45:23.000So you have the debt continuing to increase.
00:45:26.000In fact, the deficit is still increasing.
00:45:29.000So the difference, the deficit is how much more we're spending than we make, and the deficit is going up, meaning we're going to exponentially accrue debt faster and faster and faster.
00:45:39.000And, you know, Ian, Likes to just say on this show, just default.
00:46:20.000Right. I mean, that's the only way out.
00:46:22.000But if you're as black-pilled as I am, there is no amount of spending that you can cut to get out of it.
00:46:28.000And even if they cut spending on the things that actually do impact the deficit and the debt, Unfunded liabilities, your mandatory spending, which is, you know, your Medicare, Medicaid, those are the people that vote the most and that will not last because they're of the opinion that they paid in.
00:46:46.000So even if you cut all the benefits to everybody 65 and over and said, we have to save the dollar, we have to save the country, they will vote your ass out the very next chance they get.
00:46:55.000So it's really a situation where I'm very much in the same boat with you.
00:47:18.000It says, quote, American taxpayers will no longer be forced to serve as collateral for irresponsible student loan policies, said U.S. Secretary of Education Linda McMahon.
00:47:46.000Hundreds of billions have already been transferred to taxpayers going forward.
00:47:49.000The DOE, in conjunction with the Department of Treasury, will shepherd the student loan program responsibly and according to the law, which means helping borrowers return to repayment both for the sake of their own financial health and our nation's economic outlook.
00:48:02.000They mention 42.7 million borrowers owe more than $1.6 trillion in student debt.
00:48:09.000Only 38% of borrowers are in repayment and current on their student loans.
00:48:15.000They say almost 1.9 million borrowers have been unable to even begin repayment because of a processing pause that was put in place by the previous administration.
00:48:22.000Since August 2024, the department has not processed applications for enrollment in any repayment plan, such as income-based repayment, income-contingent repayment, or PAYE, P-A-Y-E.
00:48:32.000The department is currently working with federal student loan servicers and anticipates processing to begin next month.
00:48:48.000Young people, younger millennials, or just millennials in general, with massive debt, who haven't had to pay them for five years, they didn't budget for this.
00:48:55.000They are going to get a shock debt overnight that they thought is gone.
00:48:58.000And if they do say, when they say, this debt doesn't disappear, if people log back in and all of a sudden the debt is there, or they get a collections bill in the mail saying, sorry, the Supreme Court said Biden could not do this, it is going to be people waking up with negative money.
00:49:18.000Yeah, I work in, when I'm not in Statehouse, I work in real estate.
00:49:22.000So primarily commercial real estate, but I do a little bit of residential.
00:49:25.000And I can tell you, people our age, when they're waiting longer and longer to buy a house, in the last five years, we've seen a little bit of an uptick of millennials buying their first home because they weren't paying student loans.
00:49:40.000And they were suspended, so the lenders could count on that.
00:49:44.000Wow. Do you guys have any sense as to if, and this is totally hypothetical, and it's just...
00:49:51.000I have no idea if there's any substance to it.
00:49:53.000But is it possible that banks have taken these loans and turned them into securities and have sold them like they did with the mortgage-backed securities in 2008?
00:50:09.000But if they did, in the hopes that the government was going to pay these things off, because if they said, oh, Biden says that he's going to pay them off, and they say, well, we can securitize these.
00:50:18.000In my experience, if anything can be securitized and financialized, they will.
00:50:23.000I don't know if they can legally do that, but if they can, then they're going to try it.
00:50:27.000Yeah, I mean, again, I have no sense as to if they did or not.
00:50:29.000But if they did, if banks have done this, then this is a ticking time bomb.
00:50:35.000Well, most of those same banks we're talking about, you know, the Big Five, they're already sitting on an insurmountable amount of commercial property debt.
00:51:26.000But they're kind of like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
00:51:29.000But all of this, when I read headlines like this, that Trump's going to reverse this, I think of two things.
00:51:36.000One is, he's not going to lose any votes.
00:51:39.000Not that he's running for re-election, but the Republican Party's not going to lose any votes on this because these are art history majors that are woke and liberal and protesting on campus.
00:51:58.000Brave AI says, yes, banks have securitized student loans.
00:52:01.000The process involves bundling individual student loans into securities that can be sold to investors.
00:52:07.000This allows banks to provide liquidity by offering more loans and diversifying their portfolios for investors.
00:52:13.000The securitization process typically includes originating the loans, bundling them into a pool, transferring the pool to a trust, raiding the securities.
00:52:19.000That's the exact same thing they did with mortgage-backed securities.
00:52:23.000That's what mortgage-backed securities were.
00:52:44.000Yeah, I mean, I was actually a stock trader before I got into the sleazy business of politics, but that was 20 years ago, so I don't remember.
00:52:52.000But yeah, that begs the question, like Moody's and S&P, like how do they rate these securitized loans?
00:53:00.000Do they rate them according to the degree?
00:53:03.000Like art history is a minus C and a doctorate is...
00:55:01.000Yeah. Or maybe you can be a communist.
00:55:05.000Well, I tell you, in South Carolina, which is a red state, one of the reasons that the Freedom Caucus Network exists is while the Democrats are trying to forgive student loans, in South Carolina we're subsidizing on the front end.
00:55:21.000So they're getting student loans, yeah, that are Democrats are promising to forgive.
00:55:25.000But we're spending $52 million or $57 million in this year's budget to subsidize all these same degrees on the state level.
00:55:35.000No matter what it is, whether it's mythology or welding, the mythology ones actually probably get more subsidization.
00:56:33.000They can do whatever they want for the most part.
00:56:35.000It's pretty wild when you see people like David Hogg screaming like, they don't care about the rule of law.
00:56:38.000And it's like, bro, Joe Biden ignored the court like every day.
00:56:42.000And then tried decreeing a constitutional amendment.
00:56:45.000Literally on his way out, he's like, 20th Amendment is now confirmed!
00:56:49.000It's like, yeah, Joe, you can't do that.
00:56:51.000It's the same party of mostly peaceful protests.
00:56:53.000I mean, that's the, say, in your law and order party while the buildings are on fire behind you.
00:56:58.000We do love our very peaceful protests.
00:57:02.000But we do have another story, which is, welcome to the Nightmare Scenario, my friends.
00:57:06.000We've got this tweet from Andrew Falchuk on Axe.
00:57:11.000And he points out the third most viewed video on all of YouTube this week is an AI-generated short of a pug that saves a baby from a plane crash, and then they try surviving on an island.
00:58:43.000About eight years ago, there were a series of videos on YouTube that were going massively viral.
00:58:48.000It was Spider-Man, Joker, and Elsa running around with no speaking, and they were engaging in gags.
00:58:55.000These gags became increasingly more and more deranged.
00:58:58.000At first, it was just the Joker kidnapping Elsa and Spider-Man saving the day.
00:59:02.000But these videos are getting hundreds of millions of views.
00:59:05.000Eventually, they started turning into creepy things, like Elsa was pregnant.
00:59:09.000And there would be a woman wearing a pregnant belly, and the Joker would have a syringe, and he'd be trying to stick her with it, a big plastic fake one.
01:02:33.000Yeah. They're putting 13 and up only because they know it's bannable, because YouTube already nuked all this stuff during the first Elsagate.
01:02:39.000Gotcha. Disney's pretty infamous for having pretty litigious...
01:02:50.000I mean, there's a certain degree where you can argue transformative or satirical or something, or commentary.
01:02:58.000Maybe one or two of these might fall into the realm of, like, we're satirizing it, but they're literally just using the IP to generate hundreds of millions of views.
01:05:18.000I mean, bravo to them for figuring out how to manipulate the algorithm like that, but it's messed up because this is going to fry the kids' brains.
01:05:25.000But the return on investment, if you think about it, is creating that one five-second clip.
01:06:57.000I taught high school for three years, and I would catch students watching this kind of stuff, and I just could not comprehend the interest.
01:08:22.000We used to put cocaine in our Coca-Cola.
01:08:25.000Now cocaine use, I mean, so this is a really good argument that Seamus Coughlin brings up when it comes to abortion.
01:08:30.000The liberals always say that if you ban abortion, then it's a coat hanger in the alley, and Seamus responded with, okay, so you're saying 99% of abortions will be gone?
01:09:01.000And I don't know how you solve for that.
01:09:04.000Because, look, man, how many parents are aware that this is happening to their children and are going to be able to adapt quickly enough to stop it from frying their kids' brains?
01:09:13.000Not to digress, but have you guys discussed the fourth turning on this show before?
01:09:21.000And the fourth turning is all sorts of things, right?
01:09:24.000Political instability, debasement of currency, civil unrest, and the breakdown of the family.
01:09:31.000Indeed. And the only way to get through it is to go through the crisis, and then when we come out of it, we're going to be a lot better, but...
01:09:40.000And I don't know that I truly believe the fourth turning, but it seems like we're heading there.
01:09:46.000I don't see why this would be the one time it breaks.
01:09:50.000Right. I mean, so they say, for those that are not familiar, Strauss have generational theory.
01:09:56.000They call it four seasons, and the easiest way to explain it is, what happened 80 years ago?
01:11:27.000And I feel like you'll see this tendency between liberals and conservatives, where conservatives, I believe, more likely enjoy work and liberals more likely hate work.
01:11:39.000Conservatives, maybe it's because of, maybe there's a correlation between living in urban and rural environments and why conservatives tend to be in more rural areas.
01:11:45.000Maybe you had to chop your own wood and tend to your own animals.
01:11:56.000I mean, look, it's not a good situation.
01:12:00.000We were just talking about the interest rate and the bind that essentially the Federal Reserve and the government are in, trying to fix the problem, but we've allowed it to get so out of control.
01:12:12.000That I'm not sure that there is a way out that isn't defaulting on the debt or something that destroys the dollar, trying to hyperinflate the dollar or something.
01:12:21.000Okay, let's entertain defaulting on the dollar because I don't think people realize how apocalyptic that means.
01:12:25.000It means the global financial system crashes worse than we've ever seen.
01:12:28.000The first question I have for you guys is, if that does happen, your access to what is largely viewed as routine consumer goods is gone.
01:12:41.000What is, and I love this question, the hardest to source, cheap, cheap, and most important consumer item you would want to have if the global economic chain collapsed?
01:12:55.000I mean, look, it's going to be things like water or...
01:14:04.000But food's not, I would say for you guys, particularly hard to source.
01:14:08.000I think on average, conservatives skew towards understanding how to grow their own food.
01:14:14.000I'm not saying they're all farmers and they're all going to master it much more likely where they live because they tend to be in rural areas.
01:14:21.000And so they're going to have more sparsely populated.
01:14:24.000I I don't believe food is the hardest thing to source.
01:14:28.000Ammo? Ammo is probably one of the best answers.
01:14:32.000And that's probably up there at number one.
01:14:35.000My second choice, or rivaling first, is antiseptics.
01:14:38.000Yeah. Stub your toe on a rock, get sepsis, and die.
01:15:09.000You should, especially if you're a regular viewer of this show, you should have firearms, ammo, food, access to water, if not actually having water on hand, stuff to put water in that isn't plastic bottles, etc.,
01:15:39.000So then the value of all your money goes away.
01:15:42.000Correct. But the stock market will rally.
01:15:45.000It's still going to send massive repercussions throughout the whole global financial system, and that still likely will turn into some kind of conflict.
01:15:55.000The only thing that's saved us so far is the fact that...
01:17:23.000There's a prominent professional skateboarder who is largely viewed as kind of a degenerate, recently got baptized.
01:17:30.000I mean, these guys are viewed as street, scummy, drunk, you know, guys.
01:17:35.000Russell Brand, viewed as kind of a degenerate guy for a long time, and he's turning his life around.
01:17:41.000I will stress with the context of this conversation that I'm calling this a white pill, despite the fact that I will fully admit I am not a Christian, but I think everyone can agree when your choice is degenerate, urban, You know, dopamine chaser and routine churchgo with a moral tradition,
01:18:01.000Absolutely. Clean, functioning, traditional people who are living in a healthy life versus people who are living as if they're going to die tomorrow and then just doing drugs and wasting away.
01:18:16.000Fourth turning hasn't even happened and young people are starting to adhere to a moral tradition.
01:18:20.000Yeah, this is a pattern that's been going on, just maybe not as dramatic, but for years as people have kids.
01:18:27.000And I'd be curious to know if your acquaintances, if your friends, if they have young kids, if they've gotten to that point in their life where when they have children, they look back in their own past and think, man, I want some of the same stuff I had.
01:18:41.000Well, what I'll tell you is, in my life, the people that are having kids were already Christian, and the people who are not having kids have either abandoned it or not.
01:18:51.000But what I will say is, my wife and I actually had this conversation.
01:18:57.000I'm not going to lie to people and pretend to be a Christian because this is like, you know, some people probably would do it.
01:19:04.000However, we both agreed our daughter's life would be infinitely better if she grew up with a church because we know that we did too, even though we left.
01:19:14.000And the concern we have now is it's kind of a challenge.
01:19:18.000I don't want to go to a church and pretend to have faith in something I don't.
01:19:21.000I kind of feel it's disrespectful, despite the fact that most Christians have said, no, no, no, come, come anyway.
01:20:31.000And the point of that is just to get people in the...
01:20:33.000They think that they need to be en vogue just to get people in the pews, and really what they need to do is...
01:20:39.000Is actually be a holy church that, and allow, if they believe, allow God to work his magic, you know?
01:20:47.000Well, I've got two daughters, nine and 12, and one of the single best decisions my wife and I made is sending our kids to a classical Christian school rather than the public schools.
01:21:00.000I mean, it's not just that they get a Christian education, but that they're not exposed to the toxic, woke public schools.
01:21:07.000And with school choice expanding across the country, I think what you're white-pilling today, it's only going to continue to go.
01:21:16.000I've told the story quite a bit, but I think y'all will like it.
01:21:19.000It's Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes.
01:21:39.000The children were also dressed in their Sunday's best.
01:21:41.000And I just thought to myself, isn't this infinitely preferable to what we see in the cities with kids doing drugs and running around and joining gangs?
01:22:30.000Because I mean, like, if Phil Labonte was singing metal Latin.
01:22:36.000It's actually really cool, it's a trip.
01:22:37.000Well, the question is, can you get the benefits without the foundations?
01:22:41.000So, like, if you, not as individuals, but like as a society, if...
01:22:46.000If we recognize, whether it's the old-school Catholic Church or the Baptist Church, Reformed Baptists, not too dissimilar in morals, though, like, can you have one without the other?
01:22:59.000And I think that's, I don't know, 20, 30 years ago, that was kind of tried of, yeah, we're just going to kind of play along with the functions, and that's maybe how we wound up here.
01:23:12.000I don't think that, especially in our society today, I don't think you can get to the road to Damascus experience unless you surround yourself with Christians, unless you go to church, unless you're walking that path.
01:23:24.000And then, if it's going to happen, if God's going to move in your life, then he's going to do it then.
01:23:29.000That's what makes the most sense to me.
01:23:30.000I was watching Charlie Kirk on the Bill Maher Club Random, and Bill Maher made a comment about, he asked about, he is risen, the phrase referring to Easter.
01:23:40.000And Charlie Kirk says, well, it's undying.
01:24:00.000What I mean is how they can make themselves come to believe these things.
01:24:03.000And I thought to myself, while I don't identify as Christian, I do believe in God.
01:24:09.000And I was thinking, You know, I feel like a lot of Christians either don't understand or don't know how to, maybe I shouldn't speak for other people, but the way I would explain it to Bill Maher is, in this moment I said, Bill, I'm thinking to myself,
01:24:25.000I would ask him, can you see the color yellow over there?
01:24:28.000And he'd look and he'd say, yes, I can see yellow.
01:25:20.000Genius. But he said something along the lines of, believing in God, Christianity is not looking at the sun, it's looking at everything because of the sun.
01:25:29.000Like, he can see the world because the sun's there, but he's not staring at the sun.
01:25:34.000I wonder if, you know, if that's what it is, though.
01:25:42.000I think there's probably a lot of people who have faith in God, and even faith particularly in Jesus and specific religion and denominations, Who don't actually feel it but have faith.
01:25:58.000And so to them, it's like, as plain as day as I see the sky, I feel the presence of God.
01:26:03.000And then I think that there are people like Bill Maher who lack the perception for something like this and also don't believe it.
01:26:11.000So they say, you all must be crazy because however I see the world is the way you must see the world instead of realizing he just has a different...
01:26:20.000There's a strong hint of arrogance and belittling in that comment, too.
01:26:27.000You want to question somebody else's faith.
01:26:31.000Like, you better come with receipts that you know the answer.
01:27:00.000I've always found that so arrogant and such a ridiculous take on religion, because something that I've said that's totally true, but something that I talk about a lot.
01:27:11.000In every human society, forever, for all the times that there's been humans, and likely pre-humans, likely the...
01:27:20.000You know, Neanderthal and other things that were before humans, they likely had religion.
01:27:26.000In every society that humans have ever had, no matter how far they are separated in time or distance, there was religion.
01:27:33.000So to think, oh, in the past 15 seconds, we figured out that we don't need that.
01:27:42.000That came with religion, and they only focus on bad things, like times that there was excesses or times where you could cast religion as a negative.
01:27:52.000All those things don't matter anymore, because now I'm so enlightened, and I don't need any of that stuff.
01:27:58.000And it's just such a pompous and ridiculous, thoughtless position to hold.
01:28:05.000And it drives me nuts hearing people say things like, oh, the spaghetti monster in the sky.
01:28:09.000This betting monster thing I find funny because it's like, imagine you yelled that there is a giant grizzly bear behind you and they went, what?
01:28:16.000And you were like, it is a gigantic beast.
01:28:56.000And FDA Commissioner Marty McCary announced Tuesday that petroleum-based synthetic dyes will be eliminated from medications and the nation's food supply by the end of 2026, about a year and a half.
01:29:05.000This includes those found in candy soft drinks, desserts, breakfast cereals, and jams.
01:29:09.000The agency said it would set a standard and deadline for the industry to transition to natural alternatives and take action to remove remaining colors from the market.
01:29:17.000The FDA intends to revoke authorization for dyes that are not in production within the coming weeks.
01:30:34.000And years and years and years and years of that corruption led to all this garbage in our food.
01:30:40.000Yep. That's the libertarian challenge is they say people can buy what they want to buy.
01:30:44.000And I'm like, look, man, if people if a guy walks up to someone and says, buy this smoothie, but it's turpentine and they die, what does our society do?
01:30:54.000Well, libertarians would largely argue like, well, you killed him.
01:30:57.000And it's like, OK, what if he puts only a little bit of turpentine in it?
01:31:00.000Now they're not going to they're only going to slowly die.
01:31:04.000Right? These petroleum-based chemicals are reportedly connected to a whole bunch of chronic illnesses, and that's causing us serious problems.
01:31:14.000In fact, RFKJ is putting us in the poorhouse.
01:32:02.000But at the same time, there is value to the idea that if our major food producers are making things that actually make us sick, and there's no question that there's a massive increase in early-onset diabetes,
01:32:18.000there's a massive increase in obesity.
01:32:20.000Now, it's not just the food that we eat, because people have a much more sedentary lifestyle now.
01:32:25.000But if there are things in the food that we eat that are making us sick...
01:32:30.000I think that it's okay if the government says, hey, get those things out.
01:32:33.000And if it helps lower the cost of health care for people when they become older, then hey, that's a good thing.
01:32:42.000And this is my conspiracy theorist hat on, but I also think it's realist, is that think of the turtles all the way down here, which is the FDA is contemplating whether...
01:32:58.000And I'm talking years ago, is contemplating whether yellow dye number five makes sense.
01:33:02.000Well, we cannot approve yellow dye number five without scientific evidence.
01:33:07.000The food industry gets a bunch of scientists together, writes a paper, says yellow dye number five is just fine.
01:33:19.000Protection because the FDA, so then they're not even legally liable for it if you get sick.
01:33:25.000There's no funding for scientific studies to question whether it's bad.
01:33:31.000So the libertarian argument is almost on our side here, which is that the government's tentacles are so deep into this that getting them out of it is the correct move here.
01:33:45.000You know, I realized something because...
01:33:47.000I was scrolling through Instagram, as I often do, and there was a clip from The Founder, and it was where Michael Keaton, playing Ray Kroc, he orders food at the drive-thru, and then they bring it to him, and he's like, I ordered barbecue beef!
01:34:00.000Then it shows him walking up to the very first McDonald's, and he says, I'll take a hamburger, and they hand it to him, and he goes, what's this?
01:34:10.000What I realized is fast food doesn't exist anymore.
01:34:13.000What we have now are chemically processed garbage factories.
01:34:17.000The first McDonald's, they were grilling real burgers.
01:34:22.000And when you walked up, it was actually a real restaurant quality burger, but they just made it very quickly because they were doing an assembly line.
01:34:29.000Now McDonald's has turned into processed sludge that doesn't decay.
01:34:40.000And so the idea that there are diners and there's fast food, when you're watching that movie, there were diners, like a drive-in or a diner, and it took 20 minutes, and then there was the fast food revolution,
01:34:55.000which he discovers at McDonald's, where he was like, this is the best burger I've ever had.
01:34:59.000I gotta tell you, McDonald's burgers and fries are disgusting, and...
01:35:04.000You know, I know a lot of people might be like, I like them.
01:35:06.000Yeah, but you'd know you'd like a smash burger from, like if you go to a higher-end casual dining place where they got a $15 smash burger with real ingredients, I know you like that more.
01:35:27.000They used to fry their french fries in tallow, but then the federal government comes in with Title I subsidies for corn, which makes the seed oils.
01:36:22.000Like, after they stop serving breakfast, I think the only thing worth going to McDonald's for anymore is the fries.
01:36:29.000And I won't go make a special trip to McDonald's for the fries.
01:36:34.000But yeah, the idea that they should have the government tell them what they must, what actual food products they must use, I'm not so sure that that's actually the proper course of action.
01:36:48.000We need to figure out a way to have a counter that tells you how long you're going to live.
01:37:59.000And the very first app I open up in the morning is to check my sleep score.
01:38:02.000And the one thing that I care about most is how much time I spend in deep sleep.
01:38:07.000Because when you're in deep sleep, that's when your body scrapes all the plaque in your brain and gets rid of it so you don't get Alzheimer's and dementia.
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01:40:49.000Evan for us says any way we could communicate with Trump and his team about what we can do about Trump cutting funding to Alzheimer's and dementia research or is there more to it?
01:40:59.000Well, I think there's always more to it.
01:41:01.000I think the issue is largely that they're, and correct me if I'm wrong, just probably blanket cutting all these research grants, regardless of where they're going to.
01:41:10.000Everybody's going to want their project to get funded.
01:41:12.000But I got to tell you, as most of you probably know, when you're cutting budgets, you keep going over it.
01:41:41.000You know, Anthony Fauci type folks who are in charge of that funding.
01:41:45.000And that funding goes to woke universities like Harvard who, you know, spend 30% of that on actual research and the rest on administrative expenses.
01:41:58.000And so it's not only wasteful, but it's also political on what gets funded and what doesn't.
01:42:04.000I mean, it's pure Soviet Politburo top-down central planning.
01:42:10.000Like, the most worthy research doesn't necessarily get funded.
01:42:27.000Elad got some pretty good questions in.
01:42:28.000He went for the normal questions, just straightforward.
01:42:32.000I think he got two for Carolyn Levitt, and he got one for Trump.
01:42:35.000Yeah, he asked Trump if, and this is interesting.
01:42:38.000Because Trump's got to be careful with his words.
01:42:40.000Ilad asked him if the Trump administration would allow Hamas to control the Gaza Strip post-war, or he's essentially said, will Hamas need to be removed for a ceasefire to actually happen?
01:42:56.000And Trump said something to, I think he said, we're not going to let Hamas do that, and we're looking in to see how it goes, which sort of insinuated he was saying Hamas will be removed from Gaza.
01:43:46.000These people are threatened by their cabal being stripped from their authority.
01:43:52.000Yeah, I mean, look, like the, like, what's her name last night, Tara was saying, it is true that a significant portion of the, you know, legacy media are actually there for access.
01:44:04.000They're there because they want to be around the people that make the calls, that make policy, because it's better than money, because if you can have...
01:44:13.000If you have the chief of staff's number and you can call the chief of staff and say, hey, can you help me get this guy on the phone?
01:44:19.000Or, hey, can you help get this blah, blah, blah?
01:44:28.000If you're not using it to do things, it's just paper.
01:44:31.000So why have the money, which you have to worry about taxes, you have to worry about, you know...
01:44:36.000Questions of legality, of illicit payments or whatever, why not just have the chief of staff's phone number and you can call and say, hey, do you know anyone over at this location?
01:45:47.000And then with Secretary Duffy on Monday.
01:45:50.000They all have a, you know, with all due respect to the individuals we interviewed, the cabinet members, I don't want this to sound in any way disrespectful, but we sort of weighed them in terms of newsworthiness.
01:46:01.000So I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way.
01:46:05.000I think the conversation with Sean Duffy was the most fun, but it's kind of evergreen.
01:46:10.000We discussed planes, DEI, drones, UAPs, and things like this.
01:46:15.000He did make some interesting statements, which I think may get clipped, about seeing videos of UAPs going in and out of water and things like this, which I thought were fascinating.
01:46:25.000But with Secretary Noem, we discussed the more pressing stuff, the border.
01:47:03.000I could not imagine a scenario where Dan Bongino walks away from the biggest live show in the country, tens of millions of dollars, for a low six-figure public service job, and then just doesn't get the job done.
01:47:36.000And rightfully so, maybe needed to scale back just the brazenness of it.
01:47:42.000But I hope they do just put the pedal to the metal and start doing that kind of stuff again.
01:47:49.000The Real Hydro says narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition characterized by a persistent pattern of grandiosity and a need for admiration.
01:47:57.000I mean, this explains the corporate press.
01:47:59.000Exactly. All of those people sitting in that room, many of them are there specifically for the purpose of getting their viral clip just to yell at the press secretary and then say, see, I yelled at the president.
01:48:11.000And in doing so, they will lie and misinform the public.
01:48:14.000Is this why the press and establishment politicians get along so well?
01:49:28.000But I kind of feel like if you're trying to say, look at a specific behavior I'm criticizing, when you don't name the person, it just kind of sounds like you're sub...
01:51:02.000I'm paraphrasing, but something like, we've got to repeal the 13th Amendment.
01:51:06.000His point in the greater context was they never banned slavery.
01:51:10.000They codified it in the Constitution, which actually states in the 13th, it doesn't say slavery is banned.
01:51:15.000It says slavery is allowed if you're convicted of a crime and any crime, meaning somebody who jaywalks can then be put forced into slavery.
01:51:22.000He was saying we need to get rid of that.
01:51:25.000The media then lied and flipped the narrative and said he wanted slavery back.
01:51:30.000I think he saw that and he probably went, they're all liars.
01:51:36.000And so when he dresses up in a black Klan outfit, the things he's done and things he said, I think he's trying to just basically say, you're all liars.
01:51:46.000No matter what I do, you're going to make it up.
01:51:48.000So I'm going to put on a show and I'm going to mess with the system.
01:53:23.000Shane H. Wilder says, kids will eat it up, this AI slop, because it's a cartoon, all while destroying their brains.
01:53:29.000It's an easy way to make mind-numb automatons at wholesale prices.
01:53:34.000Creepy. I'm In Disguise says, you gotta remember, the people who are making these videos are almost certainly from poor countries.
01:53:40.000500 to 600 USD is probably how much they would make in a year with a regular job.
01:53:44.000Indeed. One of the videos we looked at that was not AI slop, it was regular slop, was an Indian family doing these four or five second slop videos.
01:54:01.000There was one video where like a guy takes candy from a little girl and then she gets up her chair and then he sits down and starts eating the candy and then it's just stupid sound effects and it's over.
01:54:10.000And it's got, you know, I don't know, millions of views or whatever.
01:54:13.000So for these people, it's like, I mean, 500 bucks is the equivalent of probably 5,000 for you or more.
01:54:28.000YouTube's too busy censoring channels like mine and other personalities to deal with the actual manipulation from foreign governments and countries that are trying to fry the brains of our children.
01:54:40.000And unless there's some enforcement action against them, they don't care.
01:54:44.000You know, Alcigate went on for, I think, years.
01:54:46.000It got so bad that it turned into AI-generated videos.
01:54:50.000I shouldn't say AI, but it's old school, of children eating feces out of toilets.
01:54:55.000You know, one of the things that people don't or people may not think about when it comes to, you know, getting the government to step in with something like YouTube or with Spotify.
01:55:05.000Specifically, that's the context that I was thinking of or I thought of prior.
01:55:10.000You can't get these companies to comply with the federal government when they can say, well, then we just won't.
01:55:18.000We won't be available in your country because there's only 330 million Americans.
01:55:24.000There's a billion Indians, and there's a billion Chinese.
01:55:27.000So if we cater to India and China, we'll more than make up for anything that we can get from the United States.
01:55:33.000So we don't need to comply with you, with these rules that you make, if they conflict with the rules that China wants us to have or that India wants us to have.
01:55:42.000The market is just vastly bigger, and it's really tough to get.
01:55:48.000Any kind of government sanction to stick to companies when they can do that kind of stuff.
01:55:55.000KO777 says, The millions of views on these insane videos just proves dead internet theory.
01:59:13.000Yeah, I brought that up to, well, it's actually passed the House and the Senate a few years ago, 2012 in South Carolina for gold and silver to be legal tender and take the taxes off.
01:59:24.000And I brought this up a couple of years last year in the budget and the response I got from the House leadership was,
01:59:33.000This guy puts a tinfoil hat on his head and comes up to the well and just mocks the whole idea that gold and silver...
01:59:40.000This is on the floor of the House with a tinfoil hat on.
01:59:43.000Now he's the chairman of the Rules Committee.
02:01:05.000If there was a total collapse, the first thing people are going to do, they're going to secure a bat cave so they can get their saltpeter or potassium nitrate or something.
02:01:19.000You want the bat crap so you can make gunpowder.
02:01:22.000So if you've got the bat cave, then you need sulfur, I guess.
02:02:08.000Brian Rich asks me to describe the God that I believe in.
02:02:12.000I think that's particularly difficult to do in negative 30 seconds.
02:02:15.000So maybe we can talk a bit about it in the uncensored members-only portion of the show.
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02:05:20.000I don't know how easy it is for me to describe the god that I believe in, but I believe it is very simple in, as Michael Knowles explained it, as the logos of the universe.
02:06:58.000Are you familiar with C.S. Lewis' kind of three-part conundrum about Jesus either being a liar, a lunatic, or telling the truth?
02:07:07.000I believe I've heard this a long time ago, but refresh my memory.
02:07:10.000Basically, his premise is, you know...
02:07:13.000Basically, the premise is, as C.S. Lewis said, if you take at face value the things that Jesus is quoted as saying in the Gospels, he describes himself as both God and the Son of God and references all these prophecies in the Old Testament.
02:07:30.000And he does teach a lot of good things like love your neighbor and the Beatitudes in Matthew 5, 6, 7. But he also says things that...
02:07:41.000So either he's lying about being God, or he was a lunatic, like he thought he was God, but he wasn't, or he was telling the truth, and he actually is.
02:07:50.000And this is based on the premise that you actually believe the things in the Bible that he actually said these things.
02:07:57.000So that's kind of the situation that C.S. Lewis confronted in the 1930s and 40s of...
02:08:08.000G.K. Chesterton kind of tackled this, too, of liking a lot of the ramifications of Christianity, but not dealing with, like, well, the guy who started it said he was God.
02:08:18.000Indeed. But I don't see a correlation.
02:08:22.000I tell the story that I grew up Catholic.
02:10:05.000And I was like, then why do you have Jesus on your wall?
02:10:07.000And he was like, I don't know, I just thought it was cool.
02:10:09.000It was a story about a guy who went around helping people.
02:10:10.000And I was like, that's actually a really good point.
02:10:15.000I was like, I had this, that was when I realized I had this kind of emotional disdain that didn't actually attach to the man himself, but to the community that I felt was...
02:10:27.000Like, growing up, the people who told me these things, that's who I had a problem with.
02:10:31.000The people I felt weren't answering my questions, not the man himself and the story and the tradition and the history.