Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Anarchist Group Arrested For Plotting To KIDNAP Michigan Governor

00:00:00.000 In one of the weirdest stories I think I've ever heard, but kind of funny, is that the

00:00:29.000 story is about a group of 13 men, 7 guys on state charges, targeting cops, 6 guys who apparently

00:00:44.000 wanted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer because they view her as a tyrannical bitch.

00:00:50.000 B. We don't swear on this show, so sorry.

00:00:51.000 Figured that one out.

00:00:52.000 Female dog, we'll call it that.

00:00:54.000 And they felt that her COVID lockdown orders were unconstitutional, and thus they were going to take action.

00:01:00.000 Unfortunately for them, they reached out to some militias.

00:01:02.000 Turns out were infiltrated by the FBI, and the informants immediately ratted on them, and they've been arrested.

00:01:07.000 The interesting thing is that partisan media is calling these guys right wing.

00:01:11.000 We have video of some of these guys, or at least one of these guys.

00:01:14.000 They're not right-wing at all.

00:01:16.000 They're anarchists.

00:01:17.000 So I don't even know what right-wing means.

00:01:19.000 At this point, everyone's like, left-wing violence and right-wing violence.

00:01:22.000 Look, if they're gonna claim that anti-government, anti-police people and anarchists are right-wing, Are they saying that Antifa is right-wing?

00:01:32.000 Like, what's the difference at that point?

00:01:34.000 I don't know, whatever.

00:01:35.000 We're gonna talk about this.

00:01:36.000 We're also gonna talk about what happened with the debate, because we have lots of opinions, because we have some people hanging out.

00:01:40.000 Of course, Ian Crossland is chilling.

00:01:42.000 Hello, everyone.

00:01:43.000 That's Ian.

00:01:43.000 Sour Patch Lids is producing and doing all that stuff.

00:01:46.000 And Cassandra Fairbanks is hanging out.

00:01:48.000 She's always here now.

00:01:50.000 And we just have all of these different opinions.

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00:01:53.000 Welcome to the show.

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00:02:05.000 I'm just, we're just on YouTube doing our thing.

00:02:07.000 So I really do want to talk about the debates because I think that's the place where we have most of our opinions.

00:02:13.000 But what do you guys think?

00:02:13.000 Should we talk about these kidnappers first?

00:02:16.000 You think we should just talk about the kidnappers?

00:02:19.000 Either one.

00:02:20.000 What do you think?

00:02:20.000 Kidnappers!

00:02:22.000 Sounds terrifying, like they were domestic terrorists.

00:02:25.000 Alright, kidnappers it is.

00:02:27.000 Here's a story from the New York Times.

00:02:29.000 FBI says Michigan anti-government group plotted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

00:02:35.000 Authorities charged 13 men, some of whom were accused of plotting to storm the state Capitol

00:02:39.000 building and planning to start a civil war.

00:02:41.000 Sounds like the Boogaloo Boys, but I don't think it was directly affiliated with anybody

00:02:45.000 doing Boogaloo stuff.

00:02:47.000 Storming the state capitol.

00:02:49.000 Instigating a civil war.

00:02:50.000 Abducting a sitting governor ahead of the presidential election.

00:02:54.000 Those were among the plots described by federal and state officials in Michigan on Thursday as they announced terrorism, conspiracy, and weapons charges against 13 men.

00:03:01.000 At least six of them, officials said, had hatched a detailed plan to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat who has become a focal point of anti-government views and anger over coronavirus control measures.

00:03:13.000 The group that planned the kidnapping met repeatedly over the summer for firearms training and combat drills, and practiced building explosives, the FBI said.

00:03:21.000 Members also gathered several times to discuss the mission, including in the basement of a shop that was accessible only through a trapdoor under a rug.

00:03:30.000 The men spied on Ms.

00:03:30.000 The trapdoor, not the weird creepy terrorist at meetings.

00:03:33.000 I'd like a trapdoor like that, that'd be cool.

00:03:35.000 The men spied on Ms. Whitmer's vacation home in August. Wow.

00:03:39.000 And in September, even looking under a highway bridge for places they could place and detonate a bomb to distract

00:03:44.000 authorities, the FBI said.

00:03:46.000 They indicated that they wanted to take Ms.

00:03:47.000 Whitmer hostage before the election in November, and one man said they should take her to a secure location in Wisconsin for a trial.

00:03:55.000 Richard J. Trask II, an FBI special agent, said in a criminal complaint.

00:03:59.000 If their goal was to like make Donald Trump lose, this is like the best plan ever.

00:04:04.000 Yeah.

00:04:05.000 Mr. Trask said that one of those arrested had bought a taser for the mission last week, and that the men had been planning to buy explosives on Wednesday.

00:04:12.000 Court records indicated that at least five of the men had been arrested on Wednesday in Ypsilanti?

00:04:17.000 Michigan?

00:04:17.000 Is that how you pronounce it?

00:04:18.000 Yeah.

00:04:19.000 It was not immediately clear if the sixth man had been taken into custody.

00:04:21.000 So, the New York Times doesn't immediately say anything about right-wing.

00:04:25.000 I don't know if they go on to.

00:04:25.000 I don't think they do.

00:04:26.000 They just say anti-government.

00:04:28.000 But immediately you're seeing all of these, like, lefty personalities saying, like, right-wing militias, blah.

00:04:33.000 Dude's not right-wing.

00:04:33.000 Look at this.

00:04:34.000 Here's the guy.

00:04:35.000 I mean, he's got huge gauges in his ears, which is not really indicative of anything, but I will say it's not necessarily, like, a right-wing thing.

00:04:42.000 You know, right-wingers tend to be, like, stodgy suit-wearing, you know.

00:04:45.000 Or rednecks.

00:04:46.000 Yeah, I guess, I guess, you know, you could see right wing gauges and stuff.

00:04:49.000 I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to discriminate against people with gauged ears or anything like that.

00:04:53.000 But he's got a big anarchy flag behind him or a big anarchy.

00:04:56.000 Yeah, it's a flag.

00:04:58.000 And so Robbie Starbuck tweeted, this is a video of Brandon Caserta, one of the ringleaders of the group of men arrested for a plot where the group planned to kidnap Governor Whitmer.

00:05:06.000 Caserta has an anarchist flag behind him in a YouTube video trashes police.

00:05:10.000 He's not a Republican.

00:05:11.000 He's an anarchist.

00:05:12.000 He's, what's the difference between him and Antifa if he's anti-cop?

00:05:16.000 I think that a lot of the media is being very simplistic about politics in general.

00:05:21.000 I think that politics are a spectrum.

00:05:23.000 It's not just Republicans and Democrats.

00:05:26.000 I think this guy's probably an anarcho-capitalist, which is like a right-leaning... But what does that mean, right?

00:05:34.000 Well, I don't know.

00:05:35.000 That's the problem.

00:05:36.000 They're still pro-capitalism.

00:05:38.000 This dude's Antifa as far as I'm concerned.

00:05:40.000 I mean, I get it.

00:05:41.000 He's not literally Antifa.

00:05:43.000 Like, he's not flying the anti-fascist action flag or anything like that.

00:05:46.000 But what I mean to say is, if you take a dude who's wearing all black and says, F the police and F the government, and then you put him next to an Antifa guy, they're both going to yell the same thing at the same time.

00:05:57.000 So I get it, but it's like...

00:05:57.000 Right.

00:06:00.000 I understand he could be anarcho-capitalist, you know, because we saw with a lot of these protests where Black Lives Matter came out, the Boogaloo boys were like, we agree with you, we're on your side.

00:06:08.000 Like, the government is bad and it's broken.

00:06:09.000 They're like, all right, we agree.

00:06:11.000 What's the difference?

00:06:12.000 One of them has an American flag mask and the other doesn't?

00:06:16.000 It's like how cop block used to be.

00:06:18.000 Remember, they were run by like all those libertarians up in New Hampshire who were like, Anti-cop, but also pro-capitalism, and I don't know.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, and caps.

00:06:30.000 Yeah.

00:06:31.000 I guess they're just anarchists.

00:06:32.000 They're certainly not Trump supporters.

00:06:34.000 And this is the problem with how the media operates.

00:06:34.000 Right.

00:06:38.000 There's a really clear distinction for what, like, left wing is, right?

00:06:43.000 If you say, like, what's far left, you have a general idea.

00:06:46.000 It's Antifa.

00:06:47.000 It's Black Lives Matter.

00:06:48.000 They all agree with each other on most of their ideology.

00:06:51.000 They agree with each other for the most part on economics.

00:06:54.000 So when you say left-wing, you're referring to like one large group of people.

00:06:57.000 When they say right-wing, I have no idea what that means.

00:07:01.000 Is that like, are Trump supporters right-wing?

00:07:03.000 The alt-right are right-wing?

00:07:04.000 They disagree with the Trump supporters on like almost everything.

00:07:06.000 I think that there's, you know, authoritarian and then more libertarian aspects of the right.

00:07:11.000 I think that the right has a lot more difference of opinion and different ideas than the left

00:07:16.000 does because they don't really accept other ideas Whereas the right will be like, okay. Well we disagree with

00:07:23.000 you on this, but we agree on this other thing and I don't know

00:07:27.000 I don't think this is the kind of guy this this dude here with the anarchist flag behind him who's gonna be hanging

00:07:31.000 out with Trump supporters, right?

00:07:33.000 And Governor Whitmer immediately blamed Trump.

00:07:36.000 She was like, this is Trump's fault or whatever.

00:07:38.000 And I was like, these people are clearly not Trump supporters.

00:07:41.000 They might have right-wing views on economics, but they're probably very left on things like the border and police.

00:07:48.000 And they're certainly not Trump supporters.

00:07:51.000 I'm so done with left and right whatever.

00:07:53.000 It just doesn't mean anything.

00:07:55.000 Thank you.

00:07:55.000 I feel like that so intensely.

00:07:57.000 Yeah, no, like, this idea that, you know, right-wing means laissez-faire capitalist, and left-wing means socialist, and it's like, okay, so the alt-right isn't laissez-faire capitalist.

00:08:09.000 They're actually kind of left on policy.

00:08:12.000 You know, like, didn't Richard Spencer talk about universal healthcare and stuff like that?

00:08:15.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:08:16.000 Yeah.

00:08:17.000 And then there's Cernovich, too, because Cernovich has also talked about universal health care.

00:08:20.000 So the right, it's meaningless.

00:08:23.000 Right.

00:08:24.000 And like, if we're both left leaning and then you go further left, I'm all of a sudden considered right because it's a relative function.

00:08:33.000 So it's madness.

00:08:35.000 That doesn't mean anything.

00:08:36.000 Left and right are like relative to each other.

00:08:36.000 I know.

00:08:39.000 Well, definitely.

00:08:40.000 If you're talking about like, this is the weird thing.

00:08:43.000 If you're talking about left and right in the traditional sense, because it came from the French Revolution, you have the right, which are pro-status quo, traditional, like... Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt, you're right.

00:08:52.000 They sat in different areas of the... Yeah, so you had the right and the left.

00:08:56.000 And the left were the revolutionaries, and the right were the keep-it-all-the-same, right?

00:08:59.000 I think.

00:09:00.000 They were like, keep it tradition, and you know.

00:09:02.000 And to clarify, they sat in like, what was it, their parliament or whatever?

00:09:04.000 Something like that, I guess.

00:09:05.000 And the people would sit on the right side of the aisle?

00:09:07.000 Yeah.

00:09:08.000 And the left side of the aisle?

00:09:09.000 So the general idea is when someone says right-wing, are they referring to like, pro-status quo versus pro-revolution?

00:09:15.000 In which case, this guy's pro-revolution.

00:09:17.000 So he's certainly not right.

00:09:18.000 Yeah, he seems like a far-left terrorist.

00:09:22.000 Yeah.

00:09:23.000 The only reason they call him right-wing is because, well, they can't have it on their side, can they?

00:09:28.000 It doesn't even seem far left.

00:09:30.000 I say that and all of a sudden I'm like, but he seems like a far right terrorist.

00:09:33.000 Is it just a big circle and you just keep going to the left and then you appear on the right?

00:09:37.000 It's because right wing doesn't mean anything.

00:09:40.000 It really doesn't.

00:09:41.000 None of this means anything anymore.

00:09:44.000 Well they have in common that they both, neither Antifa nor these groups, this group in particular I think, neither one of them want much of the government to be involved.

00:09:52.000 Like these guys I think went to the Open It Up rally or whatever, like they were very very just broadly anti-government.

00:09:59.000 I think that's something that you could look at more than even right or left to determine where somebody's gonna fall on that side.

00:10:05.000 I don't know what that would be considered, like the amount of control the government has over you.

00:10:10.000 Oh dude.

00:10:11.000 You know what man?

00:10:13.000 I understand this anger over tyranny and abuse of power.

00:10:18.000 Gretchen Whitmer, the Supreme Court ruled against her, and they said that, you know, your lockdown's unconstitutional, and she said, it's not a lot, I'm gonna do it anyway.

00:10:25.000 And she said that she's gonna wait out 21 days, which is the, like, allotted time, and then she's going to find other means to enforce her unconstitutional edict.

00:10:34.000 Now, you're gonna love this one.

00:10:36.000 She said, just last week, the president of the United States stood before the American people and refused to condemn white supremacists and hate groups like these two Michigan militia groups.

00:10:47.000 Ms.

00:10:47.000 Whitmer said, there's no indication in the court documents that any of the men- I don't know where it picked up.

00:10:52.000 Is it?

00:10:52.000 It's not really going to show all of us just sitting here talking about this.

00:10:57.000 It's so dumb.

00:10:57.000 Hey, we're live again.

00:10:58.000 Oh my gosh.

00:10:59.000 I'm too exhausted for this.

00:11:01.000 Hey.

00:11:01.000 What's up?

00:11:02.000 Hi, Tim.

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 Ian, what did you have for breakfast?

00:11:05.000 I think I had a glass of water.

00:11:07.000 That's crazy.

00:11:08.000 It was good.

00:11:09.000 What did you have for breakfast, Cassandra?

00:11:12.000 I had a lot of coffee.

00:11:13.000 I like your breakfast.

00:11:14.000 How many coffees?

00:11:16.000 Several.

00:11:16.000 What did you put in it?

00:11:18.000 I actually had a pumpkin spice one because I'm extremely basic and love fall.

00:11:23.000 We got pumpkin spice moonshine.

00:11:25.000 I don't think anyone's going to drink it because I don't drink.

00:11:30.000 And then we got butter pecan moonshine.

00:11:32.000 That's pretty cool too.

00:11:33.000 I wonder how long that stays good.

00:11:36.000 It's probably bad already.

00:11:37.000 I mean it's sitting in alcohol though.

00:11:39.000 I don't think it goes bad that quickly.

00:11:41.000 It has to be refrigerated because it's got cream in it.

00:11:43.000 Yeah.

00:11:44.000 So I don't know.

00:11:45.000 Does that curdle?

00:11:46.000 Will it turn into like moonshine yogurt?

00:11:49.000 So, uh, anyway, I guess apparently like some guys tried kidnapping some lady and she's crazy.

00:11:56.000 Spike Lee, let's talk about civil war for a minute.

00:11:58.000 The darkest or the grossest topic.

00:12:00.000 This is like the only thing that leftists have at any capacity to actually criticize me.

00:12:06.000 Is that out of 5,832 videos?

00:12:07.000 No, it's more than that because that number was from like last week.

00:12:11.000 I have like maybe like 25 videos about Civil War and they're like, aha!

00:12:15.000 We got him!

00:12:16.000 He's talking about the Atlantic article they wrote about Civil War coming.

00:12:19.000 It's like, yes.

00:12:21.000 There are a couple videos where I directly ask the question, like when the AG in Oregon sued the federal government because the federal government was trying to enforce the law.

00:12:30.000 It's like, when you have the states challenging the federal government's right to enforce its own laws, that's kind of weird and scary.

00:12:38.000 The way I describe it is, if things really escalate into full-on hot conflict between factions, or Joe Biden and Trump are boxing each other on the White House lawn to become president or something, then they'll claim that these things were part of what started the Civil War, or was the Civil War.

00:12:53.000 But now you have Spike Lee, straight-up said it.

00:12:55.000 He was being interviewed by some magazine or whatever, and they asked him, like, what's going on?

00:12:59.000 And he made some comment about being, like, Nostradamus or something, and he said, Civil War is coming, like, y'all better prepare, because this MF-er is not leaving the White House, something like that.

00:13:09.000 And so, yeah, just more, more talk from Spike Lee.

00:13:12.000 And then you add this to this story we have about these, uh, these guys in, uh, in Michigan.

00:13:19.000 And I'm just kind of like, Oh, I'm not surprised.

00:13:22.000 Like, is this the first of many attempts on politicians?

00:13:27.000 Yeah.

00:13:27.000 Dude, you, you violate the constitution brazenly while laughing at people when you do it.

00:13:32.000 Don't be surprised when this kind of thing happens.

00:13:34.000 Now I'm grateful to the FBI that they got stopped.

00:13:36.000 Do you remember what happened with her, like, a few months back?

00:13:40.000 There was an anti-lockdown protest, and the next day she came out and she was like, well, now basically I'm gonna create an even harsher lockdown at this site, remember?

00:13:50.000 I remember that.

00:13:51.000 I was like, whoa, this woman's gonna get it.

00:13:53.000 Dude, just like, she's evil.

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:55.000 Like, legit evil.

00:13:56.000 So, I say she's evil in the truest sense of the word, right?

00:13:59.000 When a bunch of people in Michigan were freaking out because her emergency powers are too extreme, Yeah.

00:14:05.000 She's completely mad with power.

00:14:06.000 we want a referendum on taking her power away, and she said, do not let them take my power from me.

00:14:12.000 And then when the Supreme Court of Michigan ruled, you can't do this, she said, I'm gonna do it anyway.

00:14:17.000 Talk about evil.

00:14:19.000 Completely mad with power.

00:14:20.000 Here's the problem.

00:14:22.000 Why isn't the federal government removing her?

00:14:25.000 That's what they're supposed to do, right?

00:14:27.000 Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

00:14:28.000 But if you have a governor and their legislation says you can't do this and she laughs and does it anyway, shouldn't the feds then intervene and be like, this woman must be removed?

00:14:40.000 Because she's not letting anyone do anything.

00:14:42.000 And I'll tell you what else, what are the cops doing?

00:14:46.000 Now the AG has said she will no longer enforce any of Gretchen Whitmer's, you know, edict.

00:14:50.000 So she's essentially just sitting in a room crying and screaming, demanding a lockdown that no one's gonna enforce.

00:14:56.000 So she lost.

00:14:58.000 But shouldn't she just immediately, like isn't, don't we have some kind of thing where it's like, if you were ordered not to do something, you do it anyway, like we get rid of you?

00:15:05.000 Like you're no longer the governor or like in charge?

00:15:08.000 Yeah, but that requires an actual vote.

00:15:11.000 She's not letting people leave their houses.

00:15:12.000 I'm exaggerating a bit, but you know, you lock everything down, people can't actually organize.

00:15:17.000 So... Anyway, man, here's my point.

00:15:20.000 If I said to you...

00:15:22.000 You know, a year ago there, I think, actually, I'll tell you this.

00:15:26.000 If I said to you a year ago that I think we're, we're dangerously close to a civil war and that within a year we're going to see like race riots, people screaming and fighting and smashing stuff.

00:15:36.000 And you're going to have like armed groups going after state leaders and politicians.

00:15:42.000 And these like rioters are going to be smashing up people's homes.

00:15:46.000 Y'all call me crazy.

00:15:47.000 I'm pretty sure you did call it about a year ago.

00:15:49.000 Oh, I did.

00:15:50.000 In our group chat.

00:15:51.000 I'm pretty sure it was around Halloween last year.

00:15:53.000 And I can't remember, I don't want to name drop anybody, but I remember like, yeah, we had a group, it was like a group chat with like, what, a couple dozen people or something?

00:16:00.000 Journalists and personalities.

00:16:02.000 And I'm like, it's coming.

00:16:03.000 Here's what's going to happen.

00:16:04.000 And there was like a couple of guys who were like, that's so dumb.

00:16:06.000 That'll never happen.

00:16:08.000 You don't understand the security state.

00:16:09.000 And I'm like, listen.

00:16:11.000 These guys who plotted this.

00:16:13.000 What happens when you actually have someone like Gretchen Whitmer or, you know, Wolf in Pennsylvania, who also got ruled unconstitutional, and they're like, we don't care!

00:16:21.000 We're, you know, we are the Democratic Party!

00:16:24.000 Or like, you know, what happens when you get that?

00:16:26.000 Then what happens if Bill Barr actually says, we are in, you know, intervening to remove a despotic governor who's in violation of the law?

00:16:37.000 What happens if they do this now?

00:16:40.000 It's unlikely because she's the victim in this story, but what happens if they intervene and we're this close to the election?

00:16:46.000 And then the left says, it's a coup, it's Donald Trump staging a coup.

00:16:49.000 Then you're going to get government faction versus government faction.

00:16:53.000 This right here should be one of the biggest red flags.

00:16:56.000 There's a red banner flying above everyone's house right now.

00:16:59.000 That Civil War, these people think... People can only think in real time for the most part.

00:17:06.000 They don't think to the future.

00:17:07.000 They don't prepare or plan.

00:17:09.000 So when you see people marching around in a residential neighborhood screaming, rabble, rabble, rabble...

00:17:15.000 Most people don't even think, like, I wonder what they'll do next.

00:17:18.000 That's literally what I do.

00:17:19.000 I'm like, man, wow, if they're marching through the neighborhood, it's only a matter of time before they start, like, attacking and threatening people.

00:17:23.000 That would happen.

00:17:23.000 They did that last night.

00:17:24.000 Well, this is what I'm getting to.

00:17:26.000 The first thing they did, we see in Portland, is they went to some guy's house who had an American flag and screamed and said, take it down or we'll burn your house down.

00:17:33.000 The New York Times covered that.

00:17:34.000 The next thing they did was they went around snatching the flags off the porches and burning them.

00:17:39.000 Now in, where is this, Wauwatosa?

00:17:41.000 They went to apartment buildings and homes and started smashing up their windows.

00:17:45.000 What happens if you try to defend yourself?

00:17:48.000 Ask the McCloskeys.

00:17:49.000 Ask that dude in Wisconsin.

00:17:51.000 You will be arrested.

00:17:52.000 You must let the mob burn your house down.

00:17:55.000 This story, like, last night was so sad, too.

00:17:57.000 It was an apartment building that had four apartments, and three of the apartments, like, the people just left.

00:18:03.000 They fled.

00:18:03.000 They knew that there was bad stuff going on, so they went to stay somewhere else.

00:18:07.000 But one of the apartments had a 70-year-old woman in it, and she didn't have anywhere to go.

00:18:11.000 And so she was hiding in her bedroom while they were smashing her windows, and she called her landlord, and he went over there, and he found her, and she was, like, shaking and crying.

00:18:21.000 And he brought her somewhere safe to her sister's house, I believe.

00:18:24.000 But she was a fascist, right?

00:18:25.000 It's just so sad.

00:18:27.000 A 70-year-old woman.

00:18:28.000 But she's a fascist.

00:18:29.000 No.

00:18:30.000 They don't even know what her politics are.

00:18:32.000 You must be mistaken, Cassandra.

00:18:33.000 Antifa only attacks fascists.

00:18:35.000 I read it in the Washington Post.

00:18:37.000 They've warned they're going to the suburbs, and they're doing it.

00:18:42.000 When conservatives said, mail-in voting is gonna backfire on you, don't do it, the Democrats were like, Donald Trump said without evidence that mail-in voting will be bad.

00:18:51.000 Guess what happens now?

00:18:53.000 Democratic groups are warning all of their voters not to vote by mail.

00:18:56.000 I kid you not, Axios published a story.

00:19:00.000 If they only actually engaged in good faith, they wouldn't constantly be wrong all the time.

00:19:06.000 So they said, it was conservatives.

00:19:09.000 Antifa is coming to the suburbs, they're talking about it.

00:19:11.000 The New York Times, all these outlets, they're like, Antifa is not coming to the suburbs.

00:19:16.000 And now they're smashing up 70-year-old women's windows, threatening them and their families.

00:19:21.000 And I know people in Chicago who are like, they came to the suburbs.

00:19:24.000 It happened.

00:19:25.000 Let me know if you guys agree or disagree with this hypothesis.

00:19:29.000 The problem with anti-fascism is that we live in a military-industrial complex system that is inherently fascist.

00:19:36.000 Our clothing is made in sweatshops, for the most part, with corporate government collusion.

00:19:42.000 That's not fascism.

00:19:45.000 It's authoritarian corporatism.

00:19:50.000 Stuff is done by force.

00:19:52.000 So it feels like we're supporting a fascist, not a dictatorship, but a militaristic... The United States is a military country.

00:20:00.000 Fascist is a very specific thing.

00:20:03.000 It's a very specific brand of authoritarianism that comes from World War II.

00:20:08.000 Everyone says fascist.

00:20:09.000 What they really mean is authoritarian.

00:20:11.000 Okay.

00:20:12.000 So what happens is then you get people arguing about state control versus like, you know, ethnonationalism and what is really fascist.

00:20:18.000 Like, I don't care, dude.

00:20:19.000 I'm talking about authoritarian dictatorship.

00:20:21.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:20:22.000 So are these Antifa actually just anti-authoritarian?

00:20:26.000 They're pro-authoritarian.

00:20:26.000 No!

00:20:29.000 pro they're communist extremists they want the power this is what I really

00:20:29.000 No!

00:20:33.000 really can't stand you have to the political compass memes you guys where

00:20:37.000 it's like they always put antifa in the bottom left left libertarian no

00:20:42.000 anarchists have the non-aggression principle is it that's what it's right

00:20:45.000 not a non-aggression principle Yeah, it's mostly a right-wing anarchist thing, which I don't even know what that means, right-wing.

00:20:51.000 Ancap and libertarian.

00:20:52.000 Yeah, not anarcho-communist.

00:20:54.000 But the general idea should be a part of anyone who doesn't believe authority is proper.

00:20:59.000 So a real anarchist, and you'll hear this from actual leftists who actually know what they're talking about, because I think left anarchists, the real ones, you totally love to hang out with them.

00:21:09.000 You know why?

00:21:10.000 They're sitting around smoking weed and eating watermelon.

00:21:13.000 Yeah, but they let chaos happen.

00:21:14.000 No, they don't.

00:21:15.000 That's not what anarchy is.

00:21:18.000 That's not true.

00:21:19.000 I used to live with them.

00:21:20.000 That's not anarchists.

00:21:21.000 You live with nihilists.

00:21:23.000 No, they just didn't have any rules.

00:21:25.000 That's not anarchy.

00:21:26.000 Anarchy means without authority.

00:21:28.000 True anarchists, it means you sit in a circle and you all talk until you agree.

00:21:33.000 It's damn near impossible to do at scale.

00:21:35.000 But if you've got a group of five people, you can have an anarchic system where you're like, no one person is the authority.

00:21:41.000 Well, you could also have a group of anarchists where you all fight each other until one person survives.

00:21:46.000 That's not, like, real anarchy.

00:21:50.000 That's just... So...

00:21:52.000 The actual idea of anarchy.

00:21:54.000 It means Anne without archy authority.

00:21:56.000 That's what it means.

00:21:58.000 So this is really funny.

00:22:00.000 I was just watching the movie Stranger Than Fiction.

00:22:03.000 Have you guys ever seen that?

00:22:04.000 It's actually really fun.

00:22:05.000 It's Will Ferrell and he's walking down the street and then all of a sudden he hears a narrator narrating his life.

00:22:09.000 And then one day she's like, little did Harold know he was going to die.

00:22:13.000 And then he's like, wait, what?

00:22:14.000 Who said that?

00:22:15.000 But anyway, he's a tax auditor and he's talking to this leftist and he asks her, are you part of an anarchist group?

00:22:21.000 And she goes, anarchists have groups?

00:22:23.000 And it was, um, what's, what's her name?

00:22:24.000 Maggie Gyllenhaal.

00:22:25.000 And he's like, I don't know.

00:22:27.000 And she's like, that would defeat the purpose.

00:22:29.000 Like, no, it wouldn't.

00:22:30.000 Anarchist means without authority.

00:22:32.000 You can have a group of people where no one person has authority.

00:22:35.000 And they all sit in big circles and they sing kumbaya and ask each other what each other wants to do until everyone comes into agreement.

00:22:41.000 It doesn't work at scale.

00:22:42.000 Like you can't even do it with ten people.

00:22:43.000 You know, you can do it with like three or four.

00:22:45.000 So it's really like a pipe dream.

00:22:47.000 To say that the left libertarian spectrum, like Antifa, are anti-authoritarian is like an outright lie.

00:22:54.000 The people that are going around smashing things and demanding their will be done is the definition of authoritarian.

00:23:02.000 Absolute.

00:23:03.000 They think they have authority over you to force you to do what they want, and they will use physical force against you to get what they want.

00:23:11.000 That's authoritarianism.

00:23:12.000 Just because they're not in the most powerful group... So imagine it this way.

00:23:17.000 If a group of a hundred people Showed up and said, raise our flag or we will murder your family.

00:23:24.000 Is that authoritarian?

00:23:26.000 Yes.

00:23:26.000 It doesn't matter if they're part of the state or a gang.

00:23:29.000 Because the only difference between that concept they try and lie about is like they don't have the full power of government yet.

00:23:36.000 So imagine what Antifa would do if they actually gained control of a government.

00:23:41.000 How would you explain like an anarchic, is it anarchic?

00:23:45.000 Anarchic.

00:23:45.000 An anarchic group that want, if like an anarchic group, something, if Antifa were anarchic, how would they be behaving differently?

00:23:53.000 They wouldn't be violent.

00:23:54.000 Well, you could have violent anarchy.

00:23:58.000 No, that's oxymoronic.

00:24:01.000 The idea that you have the sole authority to cause harm to another person is not without authority.

00:24:06.000 It is with authority.

00:24:07.000 Yeah, but I mean, doing something doesn't mean that you're authoritarian.

00:24:12.000 So I guess theoretically you could have no authority and no goals and no purpose.

00:24:19.000 So you just wanted to burn it all.

00:24:20.000 So they have a goal and a purpose.

00:24:22.000 If they just wanted to destroy it.

00:24:23.000 That would be more nihilism, I think.

00:24:25.000 And I think that's still an exertion of your authority over someone else.

00:24:28.000 Well, I think you're being too liberal with the definition of authority.

00:24:32.000 If you think you can unilaterally decide to alter someone else's existence, like, make decisions for them... I don't see Antifa trying to implement anything.

00:24:43.000 I just see them trying to break the system.

00:24:46.000 Well, Antifa are revolutionary communists.

00:24:50.000 The Antifa literally comes from World War II Germany.

00:24:52.000 It was the militant wing of the Communist Party.

00:24:55.000 And anti-fascism doesn't mean anti-authoritarian.

00:24:57.000 They're pro-authoritarian.

00:24:58.000 They were pro-Communist Party.

00:25:00.000 The people flying their flag want authoritarianism.

00:25:03.000 They want to tell people what to do because they think the stupid people and their farting cows are destroying the planet.

00:25:08.000 So anti-fascists were an actual party of the communists, a part of the communists, authoritarian communists.

00:25:15.000 But this anti-fascist group is not that.

00:25:19.000 It's the same flag, it's the same symbols, it's the same ideology.

00:25:22.000 But like you say, you can call yourself the nice guys and go around and beat people and be like, why would you be down on the nice guys?

00:25:27.000 They're flying the symbols and the flag.

00:25:28.000 Right, but they're different functions.

00:25:30.000 That's like saying neo-Nazis aren't really Nazis.

00:25:33.000 That's why they're called new Nazis.

00:25:35.000 They're not German Nazis.

00:25:35.000 Sure, then we'll call them neo-Antifa.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, so it's not necessarily the same authoritarian group that the communists had.

00:25:43.000 It's basically the same thing.

00:25:45.000 But I don't agree with that.

00:25:46.000 I think they have the same name and the same flag, but they're not authoritarian.

00:25:50.000 They're not anarchists.

00:25:51.000 That's just it.

00:25:52.000 They're not anarchists, man.

00:25:53.000 How would you describe them, Cassandra?

00:25:56.000 I think that they're authoritarian.

00:25:58.000 I don't know if I would.

00:26:00.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:26:02.000 You guys both have some valid points.

00:26:04.000 I think that they're terrifying.

00:26:06.000 That's basically it.

00:26:07.000 I think that they believe that they're morally right in their conscience.

00:26:11.000 is telling them that they're doing the right thing by being ultra-authoritarian and imposing

00:26:16.000 their will on people, and I think that that's the most dangerous kind of person. It's the

00:26:20.000 same thing that you see with, like, ISIS. They think that they're committing acts of

00:26:24.000 terror and authoritarianism for the greater good. It's the same thing. And I just think

00:26:29.000 that they're...

00:26:30.000 They're great.

00:26:31.000 If you take Antifa and you give them positions of power in the government, they will all

00:26:35.000 agree on what they want to do next. They bring out guillotines in front of people's homes.

00:26:41.000 They are acting in concert.

00:26:43.000 They know what their ideology is, they know what they want, and they will use violence to get it.

00:26:49.000 CNN ran this really funny piece, Antifa Seeking Peace Through Violence.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, and they changed the title after they got called out for it.

00:26:56.000 They are violent authoritarians.

00:26:59.000 I guess you could it's a weird argument to make that you have violent anti-authoritarians because I guess the Joker you could argue you know because he had no real goal in destroying your life but I personally feel like if I say to you I'm going to cause you harm I am making a decision about what I want you to experience and do, and that is me asserting my will over yours.

00:27:24.000 But it would be, why were you doing it?

00:27:25.000 If you were doing it so that you could get the money and make me your slave, then you'd be authoritarian.

00:27:29.000 But if you were doing it so to watch me die, then you wouldn't be authoritarian.

00:27:33.000 I disagree.

00:27:33.000 It's me saying my will over yours.

00:27:38.000 No, we work in a constitutional republic with democratically elected leaders.

00:27:48.000 So we do exert our will, but it's through cooperation and through laws.

00:27:52.000 So, authority exists.

00:27:55.000 Like, our system isn't anarchic.

00:27:57.000 We live in a country that is slightly more... We live in a rather centrist society.

00:28:03.000 We're not too authoritarian.

00:28:04.000 We kind of are in a lot of ways.

00:28:06.000 And we're not completely libertarian, but we have certain freedoms in certain areas, and we're not super left, we're not super right in terms of economics.

00:28:12.000 We're a mixed economy, and it's fairly balanced.

00:28:15.000 It's fairly balanced.

00:28:16.000 I can say, I want to elect this person, and I can exert my will, and others can challenge that, but we don't beat each other to death.

00:28:23.000 And I don't go to someone and steal their money, take their assets from them so they can't compete.

00:28:27.000 They're allowed to compete fairly on equal footing.

00:28:29.000 Because I don't have power over them in a certain capacity.

00:28:34.000 So exerting your will without violence you would consider not authoritarian?

00:28:38.000 Not necessarily.

00:28:38.000 But exerting your will through violence is authoritarian?

00:28:41.000 No.

00:28:41.000 If I went to you and said, I will publish embarrassing photos about your significant other, it's just exerting some kind of force, coercive, manipulative, or physical force against a person to subjugate their will.

00:28:57.000 Then at that point, I wonder why you're doing it.

00:29:00.000 I think whether or not it's authoritarian comes down to why you're doing it.

00:29:02.000 That doesn't matter.

00:29:03.000 The Joker, I agree with you.

00:29:05.000 I don't think he was authoritarian.

00:29:06.000 I think he was just anarchic.

00:29:08.000 He was crazy.

00:29:09.000 The new Joker was based on Bernie Getz, which is like a really famous case that kind of applies.

00:29:15.000 I've been thinking about it a lot with Kyle Rittenhouse, but the person that they based it off of, he was just sick of crime and he Wanted to stand up to people harassing him on the subway and he ended up shooting people.

00:29:29.000 Oh, The New Joker.

00:29:30.000 Yeah.

00:29:31.000 The movie.

00:29:31.000 That was a great movie.

00:29:32.000 But yeah, the NRA like took up his case back in the 90s and it's interesting.

00:29:38.000 Vigilantism.

00:29:39.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 So, the way I see it is, for one, yeah, there's nuance in the discussion, but if you have a group of people who agree on their ideology, particularly that they're all racist.

00:29:49.000 So, they all are racist.

00:29:50.000 These Antifa people are identitarian.

00:29:53.000 They believe freaky, weird things about race.

00:29:56.000 And they want racialized law.

00:29:58.000 They go around saying, how do we get that?

00:30:00.000 We beat people until they submit.

00:30:03.000 That's authoritarianism.

00:30:04.000 Because they're trying to impose this critical race. It's not even about impose. They're enforcing their will through

00:30:08.000 through through by subjugating you.

00:30:11.000 If you had a government That said do it or else and they went around telling people

00:30:16.000 no more speaking out against us. It's authoritarianism Just because they're not as big as a government doesn't

00:30:20.000 mean they're not authoritarian So you like I was talking to I was actually talking to an

00:30:24.000 antifa guy in berkeley a couple years ago And I explained to him when he was talking to me about, you

00:30:29.000 know, look these right-wing groups They come here and they're fascist. So we got to fight back

00:30:33.000 And I was like, come on, man, that little old lady?

00:30:35.000 Like, one of you guys threw an M-80 at that old woman over there.

00:30:39.000 And he's like, well, like, you know, she shouldn't be with the fascists.

00:30:42.000 I'm like, she didn't come with fascists, she just showed up with a Trump flag, and then other people showed up.

00:30:46.000 And he was like, well, I think these people need to understand that we're like what we're doing is better and I was like so you're an authoritarian and he goes dude you can't be an authoritarian okay because that's like a government and I was like and socialism's a government are you saying you can't be a socialist and he was like wait I mean

00:31:04.000 They just, they all have separate rules.

00:31:06.000 It's like how you can't be racist unless you're, I mean you can't be racist if you're black and all this stuff.

00:31:11.000 Like yes you can, you can be racist.

00:31:13.000 And then they think that because they're not a government and they don't have power that they can't be authoritarian.

00:31:18.000 They just, it's all word games.

00:31:20.000 Oh, definitely.

00:31:21.000 The Democrats are so good at it.

00:31:24.000 It's actually quite impressive how they'll just, like, anti-fascist.

00:31:28.000 If you're not anti-fascist, you're pro-fascist.

00:31:30.000 It's like, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

00:31:33.000 But it works on stupid people.

00:31:34.000 And I see them saying it on Facebook.

00:31:37.000 So anyway, look, man.

00:31:39.000 I was talking to some people a year ago and this is hilarious because I was like, there's going to be race riots, man.

00:31:46.000 It's going to be, it's going to be like everything we're seeing.

00:31:48.000 I think it's fairly obvious.

00:31:49.000 And they didn't believe it.

00:31:51.000 They were like, okay, dude, like it's crazy.

00:31:54.000 And I'm like, you're not paying attention.

00:31:55.000 You're not watching what's going on.

00:31:57.000 I think it's hilarious.

00:31:58.000 When I can say, this is what is likely to happen next for this reason, and then you get a bunch of people who are like, Tim's nuts, he thinks there's going to be a civil war.

00:32:06.000 How about this story where a bunch of dudes were planning to kidnap a governor and actually- This- Okay, let me stop.

00:32:12.000 I saw this thread.

00:32:14.000 This story is not one of these FBI staged operations.

00:32:18.000 So you're familiar with how the FBI does this, right?

00:32:20.000 Yeah.

00:32:20.000 They'll basically, like, go to a dude who's, like, kind of stupid, and they'll be like, hey, don't you want to do this?

00:32:25.000 And they'll be like, yeah!

00:32:25.000 And they'll go, aha, we caught one!

00:32:26.000 And it's like, no you didn't, you just coked some moron into, like, agreeing to something dumb.

00:32:31.000 These guys were staking out her house.

00:32:33.000 Yeah.

00:32:34.000 They were legit planning this stuff.

00:32:36.000 So I'll tell you what.

00:32:37.000 A year ago, I had people saying, Tim's over the top, you know, saying this stuff.

00:32:41.000 And then I remember, like, we got a bunch of superchats too, like, earlier in the year when things started kicking off, and they were like, man, you were right about this, and what's gonna happen next.

00:32:48.000 Then I remember saying, they're gonna come to your house.

00:32:50.000 It's not just gonna be them marching downtown.

00:32:53.000 Because we saw what happened in Chicago when the aldermen were like, they're coming to the neighborhoods, don't raise the bridges.

00:32:58.000 And then what happened?

00:32:59.000 I started going to people's houses.

00:33:00.000 You gotta be careful because you're observing and predicting, but you're also telling the world through YouTube videos and hundreds of thousands of people are hearing you say they're gonna come to your house.

00:33:11.000 So people are like, I should go to their house.

00:33:14.000 And you're seeding the future as well.

00:33:17.000 No, I disagree with that.

00:33:18.000 Oh, well.

00:33:20.000 I disagree.

00:33:20.000 You're definitely influencing the future.

00:33:22.000 Telling people that reporting on information is not making that information happen.

00:33:28.000 But if you say it's going to happen, then I think you're putting that in people's minds.

00:33:32.000 But it is.

00:33:33.000 And I was right.

00:33:34.000 Well, you are also influencing it.

00:33:36.000 I did not make anyone go to anyone's house.

00:33:37.000 No, but you said it will happen.

00:33:39.000 And hundreds of thousands of people heard you say that.

00:33:42.000 I think that's logical steps though.

00:33:44.000 I mean, we're, they've been escalating it continuously.

00:33:46.000 I mean, they've, they first, they started with like peaceful protests.

00:33:51.000 Then they started burning things in the street.

00:33:53.000 Then they started burning the churches and then going and marching down through the suburbs.

00:33:58.000 Like it's, it's all very, you can see that they're clearly escalating.

00:34:03.000 So I don't think pointing out that it's escalating and that it's gonna get worse will necessarily cause it to get worse.

00:34:09.000 It's just the direction that it's going in.

00:34:11.000 If I didn't make any content, all of this still would have happened.

00:34:15.000 Well, it's impossible to figure that one out.

00:34:18.000 I think it's absurd to argue that me telling people, a bunch of activists went and smashed windows on people's homes, man.

00:34:24.000 You gotta be careful because it's not like they're gonna go to every single house, but they're going to homes.

00:34:28.000 That's not inspiring Antifa to go do anything.

00:34:31.000 Well, I think self-fulfilling prophecies are real.

00:34:33.000 If someone believes something is going to happen, they'll subconsciously... That's religious, spiritual stuff.

00:34:37.000 Of course it is, because you can't prove it with science, but manifestation, the placebo effect, if you think something is real, then you're like 30% more likely to happen with your body physically.

00:34:47.000 They don't, they can't prove the, they don't understand the placebo effect, but it's real.

00:34:50.000 No, it isn't.

00:34:51.000 The placebo effect is a real thing.

00:34:52.000 Oh yeah, but that's just psychosomatic.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, but no one knows why it functions.

00:34:56.000 It's just the DNA, like, responds to what you think is real.

00:35:00.000 Well, no, the placebo effect doesn't alter your body's chemistry in the sense that, like, things that can't happen are happening.

00:35:06.000 It alters your body's chemistry within the confines of what your body's chemistry can do.

00:35:10.000 It can make you feel things.

00:35:11.000 We're not going to have an argument about spiritual manifestation and new age mumbo-jumbo on this.

00:35:17.000 It's a weird, it's like a weird and wild conversation.

00:35:20.000 It almost doesn't have place talking side by side with politics.

00:35:23.000 But when you're making videos and millions of people are hearing you say things are going to happen, I think that you're influencing it.

00:35:30.000 How?

00:35:31.000 Because if you're like, Say, say some really horrible thing.

00:35:34.000 And I'm like, Oh, okay.

00:35:36.000 And I believe you.

00:35:37.000 I might go get involved.

00:35:39.000 So you're saying the people who watch me, who don't like who, like there's Antifa people watching me and going like, that is a good idea.

00:35:45.000 Tim's right.

00:35:46.000 We should go to people's homes, even though they already did.

00:35:48.000 Or if you're like Antifa is horrible.

00:35:49.000 Someone might be like, I got to get a gun and go fight Antifa.

00:35:52.000 They're horrible.

00:35:54.000 That that's just normal communications.

00:35:55.000 Anyone can do that.

00:35:58.000 What do you mean?

00:35:59.000 Like people talk to each other.

00:36:01.000 Whether or not, what you're basically saying is everyone should lock their doors and stop talking to each other.

00:36:05.000 No, no, you should definitely keep talking.

00:36:07.000 But I think it's important to acknowledge the power that prediction has.

00:36:13.000 What do you mean?

00:36:14.000 Like if you say, I think, I mean, it's a weird conversation.

00:36:18.000 I can't prove this stuff, but it seems like if people believe something is going to happen, it's more likely to happen.

00:36:24.000 Okay.

00:36:24.000 Then I can just say, did you know that if you count to 10, you'll make, your wish will come true.

00:36:28.000 Like I can make, I can make up stuff too.

00:36:29.000 People would start counting to 10.

00:36:31.000 If you did that.

00:36:31.000 Right, if you're gonna tell me here right now that I'm manifesting antifascism in people's homes, then I'm just gonna make up something and say, if you can name seven prime numbers in quick succession, you'll get a wish!

00:36:41.000 People would do it, and some people might actually get their wish.

00:36:44.000 No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.

00:36:45.000 If you think the manifestation thing is a real, this, like, new-age spiritual secret stuff... A placebo effect's real.

00:36:51.000 So you're saying I can make up something, people will do it, and their wishes will come true?

00:36:53.000 You'd be like, if you think of dogs, you'll be happier.

00:36:56.000 And then people will start thinking of dogs and feel happier.

00:36:59.000 And it won't happen every time, but that will happen.

00:37:02.000 Well, if you're saying Antifa's bad and they're coming, and someone's like, oh, I gotta get a gun and go fight Antifa, that might be, that's a more literal...

00:37:11.000 I think people are more likely to be like, I gotta get a gun and protect my house, which they should do.

00:37:16.000 You should guard yourself and make sure that you're safe.

00:37:19.000 I am a firm believer in that, especially after what happened to me over the summer.

00:37:24.000 But I don't think that it's more likely to cause people to go and be like, I need to go shoot Antifa.

00:37:31.000 But warning people might make them more likely to go get a gun or to learn how to use it or defend themselves, defend their home.

00:37:38.000 I don't think that's a bad thing.

00:37:40.000 And the argument you're making basically is everybody should stop talking to each other.

00:37:45.000 I didn't say that.

00:37:47.000 So you think it's good to encourage people to go to people's homes and get violent?

00:37:51.000 No.

00:37:51.000 So then should they stop talking about it so that people don't show up to other people's homes?

00:37:54.000 No, but you can choose how you talk about it.

00:37:57.000 Like, saying Antifa's bad all the time.

00:37:59.000 They are.

00:38:00.000 That can be dangerous.

00:38:01.000 But they are bad.

00:38:02.000 Well, they have done bad things.

00:38:04.000 Should I lie?

00:38:05.000 Should I lie?

00:38:06.000 Antifa's actually good, guys.

00:38:07.000 You're talking about the past, and you're creating the future.

00:38:10.000 There's no circumstance in which Antifa goes around building homes for the homeless and planting flowers.

00:38:14.000 Well, they could start doing that.

00:38:17.000 I don't know, their garden in Chaz was real bad.

00:38:19.000 They did try their LARP garden in Chaz, to be fair.

00:38:22.000 Dude, there's never going to be a circumstance where Antivus stops rioting and starts building houses for the homeless.

00:38:28.000 There could be, yeah, of course that sounds crazy.

00:38:31.000 It's physically possible it's not going to happen.

00:38:33.000 That's ridiculous.

00:38:34.000 Okay, so saying that though, my point is when you're emphatically saying the future is this, then you're creating like that No, I'm not creating anything.

00:38:42.000 I don't believe in magic.

00:38:43.000 Quantum physics!

00:38:44.000 It's not magic, man.

00:38:45.000 Yes, it is!

00:38:46.000 Stuff is an infinite wave of possibilities.

00:38:48.000 Ah, your mega is magic, dude.

00:38:49.000 This is quantum physics.

00:38:50.000 No, it isn't.

00:38:50.000 It collapses into the... Yeah, that's not the superposition work.

00:38:52.000 You can't just call it... You can't just call it... No, no, it's not.

00:38:55.000 It's a bunch of... It's a wave of possibilities.

00:38:56.000 You watch too many... What the bleep do we know videos?

00:38:59.000 It's just atoms, man, spinning around and then they form into positions.

00:39:02.000 Oh, dude, the double-slit experiment stuff is just new-age hippie BS, because I've actually talked to quantum physicists about it, and when they actually explain how it works, everything you're saying is like, you watched a YouTube video, you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to quantum physics.

00:39:14.000 I know that the wave of possibility does collapse.

00:39:18.000 What does that mean?

00:39:19.000 It means that if you aren't aware of something, and then you believe something is going to be a certain way, it has a tendency to become that.

00:39:25.000 That's actually completely incorrect.

00:39:27.000 You're talking about wave function collapse.

00:39:30.000 When an electron is a wave function, and then it becomes a point.

00:39:34.000 Because we can view, mathematically, electrons as points or as waves.

00:39:38.000 And wave function collapse occurs at a certain point, and we don't know when.

00:39:41.000 And what you're talking about is a reference to something called the double-slit experiment, where when we tried to measure wave function collapse, we found that when we measured it, we got a particle, a point, versus a wave, but when we stopped measuring the specific point, we got a wave.

00:39:54.000 And a bunch of hippies saw that and was like, whoa!

00:39:56.000 So that means when you, like, observe stuff, it changes reality, which is not true!

00:40:01.000 It meant that something we did to measure this interfered with the process, causing wave function collapse, and we don't know what it is.

00:40:07.000 Yes, that's my point.

00:40:08.000 But it doesn't shape reality.

00:40:10.000 That's magic mumbo jumbo.

00:40:11.000 But when you're saying something is a certain way, that's the measurement.

00:40:15.000 No, what are you talking about?

00:40:16.000 Like you just said, when you measure something, it's altering the wave to become a certain way.

00:40:21.000 No!

00:40:21.000 And we don't know why.

00:40:22.000 No!

00:40:22.000 This is what you just said.

00:40:24.000 Ian, I think that if we were to entertain your idea that Tim is kind of putting this out into the atmosphere and people are kind of picking up on it and going with it and it's creating negativity.

00:40:33.000 You could also entertain the possibility that maybe he's causing a positive difference by making people aware of it and making people pay attention to what's going on in the world.

00:40:41.000 If they're thinking, Antifa is somebody who could come visit my house.

00:40:45.000 Maybe I should start watching the news.

00:40:47.000 Maybe I should pay attention to what they're worried about.

00:40:49.000 Maybe I should take care of my family.

00:40:51.000 Maybe, you know, we should move or we should take steps to just be aware of what's going on around us.

00:40:55.000 So there 100% could be a positive spin as well.

00:40:59.000 Now, I don't know anything about the quantum physics, but I'm just saying, I think that if you're going to preach something into existence in that way, it can also be incredibly positive.

00:41:08.000 That's my spin on it.

00:41:10.000 I didn't, I don't, I don't talk about things until they happen.

00:41:14.000 Well, I see you do both.

00:41:15.000 You'll talk about what happened, and then you'll make a statement about what you think is going to happen.

00:41:20.000 Right, so like, Antifa goes around rampaging through residential neighborhoods, and they attack a house, and I go, oh man, it's only a matter of time before they do more.

00:41:28.000 This is the path they're on.

00:41:30.000 This is what's already happening.

00:41:32.000 Me watching a domino fall over didn't make the domino fall over.

00:41:35.000 Me saying, if that domino falls over, that one is sitting right in front of it, is not manifesting it.

00:41:39.000 If I sat on a show and started saying things like, I think in three years, this is exactly what's going to happen.

00:41:48.000 It would be insane and never happen.

00:41:50.000 I'm not predicting anything astronomical when I say, a roving band of far left extremists smashed up someone's house.

00:41:57.000 It's only a matter of time before they come to a neighborhood near you.

00:42:00.000 You could argue that it's logical.

00:42:02.000 It's like logic.

00:42:03.000 You're using logic.

00:42:04.000 And the universe isn't always logical.

00:42:07.000 I think you're inverting correlation and causation, and that simply because I can see a pattern, you're assuming I created the pattern.

00:42:13.000 Well, I think if you see there's multiple potential patterns, and you're picking one.

00:42:20.000 I think that's a new way to be mumbo jumbo and you don't know what you're talking about.

00:42:23.000 Well, I mean, the future is not written in stone.

00:42:25.000 Like there's, there's this thing called the secret, which is rooted in this idea that they don't know when wave function collapse occurs.

00:42:32.000 Therefore, if we observe something, we change its reality and therefore we can create, what do they call them?

00:42:39.000 Dream boards or something?

00:42:40.000 Where they like, you know what I'm talking about?

00:42:41.000 Yeah, you sent me this thing.

00:42:43.000 Yeah, they make, like, a board with all the things they want on it, and then they're like, that will manifest it!

00:42:47.000 Dude, I literally have people, like, I have a friend, I'm driving in L.A., and he's like, uh, you can just park in front of my house, but there's no parking spaces.

00:42:53.000 We'll just manifest one.

00:42:54.000 I was like, what?

00:42:55.000 Just manifest a parking space, dude.

00:42:57.000 I was like, dude, come on, man!

00:42:58.000 It's not helping me find a parking space to tell me to will the one into existence.

00:43:02.000 It'll inspire someone to go get in their car and... Yes, because I'm psychic.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, it's not gonna work.

00:43:05.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:43:05.000 Well, I mean, there's something to, you know, psychic energy.

00:43:08.000 No, I'll tell you what there's something to is pattern recognition.

00:43:10.000 And if you have a really good memory and you're good at math and you're good at pattern recognition, you can predict the future and you can use it to be successful.

00:43:15.000 No one's flawless.

00:43:16.000 You can predict potential futures.

00:43:18.000 I agree with that.

00:43:18.000 And if you have a tendency to be correct, you'll be successful.

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 Which you've proven that.

00:43:23.000 But it doesn't mean that it's all, it doesn't mean that there's only one future and that you tapped that one.

00:43:29.000 There's billions, infinite futures.

00:43:31.000 Right.

00:43:32.000 Yeah.

00:43:33.000 So, the point is, I can only do what I can do.

00:43:36.000 And me saying something, sure, it's influential.

00:43:39.000 But it's not manifesting anything.

00:43:42.000 And me pointing something out isn't making Antifa be like, I know, Tim Pool's right, we should go do all these things, they're already doing it.

00:43:51.000 I mean, I just, I can't make this argument.

00:43:53.000 It's insane for me to even go down that road.

00:43:55.000 I know how ridiculous this last 20 minutes has sounded.

00:43:57.000 Oh, that sounds fun to me.

00:43:58.000 It's hilariously awesome.

00:44:00.000 I've seen so many people talk about The Secret.

00:44:02.000 Did you guys ever see that?

00:44:04.000 I only know of it because of that bling ring girl.

00:44:07.000 Bling ring girl?

00:44:08.000 Yeah, remember the teenagers that were breaking into all the celebrities' homes a while back?

00:44:13.000 They made a movie about it.

00:44:14.000 Your doppelganger's in it.

00:44:16.000 No.

00:44:16.000 What?

00:44:17.000 I gotta look it up now.

00:44:18.000 But the mom was really into the secret and I just remember seeing it on that.

00:44:22.000 The secret, it's like if you wake up and will it to happen, it will happen.

00:44:27.000 And it's like, dude, there's two things.

00:44:29.000 There's positive mental attitude and there's focusing on your goals.

00:44:33.000 These are not magic.

00:44:34.000 It's like, if you wake up and think to yourself, I want to do X.

00:44:38.000 You're more likely to do it because you're thinking about doing it.

00:44:41.000 If you're not thinking about playing chess, you're not gonna play chess.

00:44:44.000 Right, and if you wake up and you think Civil War is gonna happen today, you might subconsciously be leading people towards it.

00:44:51.000 The problem with that argument, or just the general idea, is what should anyone do?

00:44:57.000 I think that all of this takes away the fact that people have free will.

00:45:00.000 And even if you tell somebody to go do something directly, it's still up to them whether or not they want to do that.

00:45:08.000 And I think that all of this willing stuff into existence just kind of takes away people's agency and the fact that people are responsible for their own actions.

00:45:18.000 I also think it takes away a lot of nuance, because so many different people are affected by millions of different things, like literally how much they ate for breakfast this morning.

00:45:26.000 That affects your mood, that affects your willingness to be aggressive.

00:45:29.000 Nobody ever thinks about this stuff, but it's more than one thing.

00:45:32.000 Maybe we're all in one big simulation.

00:45:34.000 Yes!

00:45:35.000 It's all just a big game.

00:45:37.000 Do I wake up soon?

00:45:38.000 And, you know, I had this really funny thought.

00:45:40.000 I think we may have talked about it, where I'm like, what if the simulation, the goal, is just to make automatic entertainment?

00:45:47.000 So, like, think about it.

00:45:49.000 We have a formula for sitcoms, right?

00:45:51.000 It's like, dude, you can take any one of these trash sitcoms, like Big Bang Theory.

00:45:55.000 Have you ever seen Big Bang Theory with no laugh track?

00:45:58.000 These viral videos?

00:45:58.000 It's horrible.

00:46:00.000 So it's like, they did Seinfeld with no laugh track and Friends with no laugh track.

00:46:05.000 Actually, I think Seinfeld had a laugh track.

00:46:07.000 And it's not funny at all.

00:46:09.000 The shows never were.

00:46:10.000 I mean, actually, Seinfeld was pretty good.

00:46:12.000 But Big Bang Theory, it's like, the guy walks in and he goes, are you playing checkers?

00:46:18.000 And that's it.

00:46:18.000 There's just silence.

00:46:20.000 And the guy goes, what?

00:46:23.000 Dead silence.

00:46:24.000 Because they just throw in random laughter to make you laugh.

00:46:28.000 So, anyway, my idea is, we know how to make sitcoms, the plot is irrelevant, just throw in some random laugh tracks, write some random garbage jokes, and congratulations, Simpsons is on what, season 30 or something?

00:46:41.000 Is it really 30, I think?

00:46:43.000 AI is writing music, have you heard the AI music?

00:46:45.000 So here's my point.

00:46:47.000 Simulation theory or simulism?

00:46:49.000 What if an advanced race was like, we're going to make an entertaining show about the 21st century.

00:46:56.000 So they wrote an AI to just generate random human interaction.

00:47:01.000 And they have like a slider bar where they're like, we told the AI to make interesting things and then, you know, just let it go.

00:47:08.000 And then people watch the funny conversations.

00:47:11.000 So like there's people watching the simulation on their TVs at home, like, oh, season 20 is on.

00:47:14.000 Donald Trump's president.

00:47:16.000 This is great.

00:47:17.000 It's like, everything's crazy.

00:47:18.000 2020 makes no sense.

00:47:20.000 These guys are trying to kidnap a governor.

00:47:21.000 Come on.

00:47:21.000 This is a plot of some TV show.

00:47:23.000 Like it's being automatically generated.

00:47:25.000 We're all in it.

00:47:26.000 Congratulations.

00:47:27.000 You're the stars.

00:47:28.000 Actually, no, we're probably ancillary characters at best.

00:47:30.000 Right now, if there's a hundred plus thousand people watching, we're starring in it right now, at least for some people.

00:47:36.000 No, dude, we're, we're, we're, we're... Round in the background.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, Donald Trump's the main character.

00:47:41.000 Like, right now, the people who are watching at home, the simulation, are watching Donald Trump take a dump on a golden toilet.

00:47:45.000 Right now, literally in the universe, this show is live, and it's probably one of the more popular things being watched by humanity.

00:47:52.000 Have you played Fallout 3?

00:47:53.000 I was just playing Fallout 4 downstairs.

00:47:55.000 Okay, in Fallout 3, you know, you have apocalyptic radio or whatever?

00:47:58.000 Yeah.

00:47:58.000 Orange.

00:47:59.000 He's not the main character.

00:48:00.000 He's just a radio guy and you can hear him sometimes.

00:48:02.000 That's what we are.

00:48:03.000 Donald Trump's the star of the AI show.

00:48:04.000 He's the funny guy.

00:48:05.000 He's the sitcom character.

00:48:07.000 All right.

00:48:07.000 Everyone's laughing and he's president and he's like, you know, yeah, he's orange

00:48:11.000 and, you know, bumbling around doing crazy stuff and peace deals and, you know, Joe

00:48:15.000 Biden, Oh Joe, I'm coming for you.

00:48:17.000 I think it's not a sim, not a simulation necessarily, but we're simulating our

00:48:21.000 sense, our sensory organs are sim making simulated experience like ones and zeros.

00:48:27.000 So it's all touch.

00:48:28.000 Like we say it's sense, smell, hearing, sight, but it's all just forms of touch.

00:48:32.000 It's all like vibration on a sensor.

00:48:34.000 I think everything is so absurd that the funniest thing about this simulation talk, which has been getting more and more popular, is that it's a more complicated version of religion.

00:48:46.000 Do you think God is real?

00:48:49.000 I do.

00:48:49.000 Yeah, I believe in God.

00:48:50.000 What do you think it is?

00:48:51.000 God?

00:48:52.000 I wouldn't know how to describe it.

00:48:54.000 A higher entity or power.

00:48:58.000 There's a long conversation in talking about what God is, but I think it's really interesting that you have, you know, God's plan and, you know, his will and human's free will.

00:49:08.000 And it's very much like you could actually correlate the idea of simulation theory alongside some, like, aspects of religion.

00:49:15.000 Do you think God is real?

00:49:17.000 Yeah.

00:49:17.000 What do you think it is?

00:49:20.000 This is a whole conversation.

00:49:22.000 Yeah, this is like too broad of a question, dude.

00:49:25.000 You've seen the cosmic microwave background radiation?

00:49:28.000 Have you ever seen this stuff?

00:49:29.000 I haven't seen it.

00:49:29.000 I've read about it.

00:49:30.000 With like radio telescopes, they measure this big web of energy that looks like it's left over from the Big Bang, the one that we've experienced.

00:49:37.000 And it looks like it's arcing through planetoids and causing like your heart beats.

00:49:41.000 There's like an electrical current going through your body in this rhythm.

00:49:44.000 I think that's God or that God is... I don't think you can even think what God is.

00:49:49.000 That's the thing.

00:49:50.000 Let me tell you something.

00:49:52.000 We share a planet with ants.

00:49:55.000 Ants will never know what a highway is.

00:49:58.000 Okay?

00:49:59.000 Dogs and humans diverged in evolution not really that long ago.

00:50:04.000 We're very similar in a lot of ways.

00:50:06.000 In fact, you can see the whites of a dog's eyes because we symbiotically, you know, sort of evolved over time.

00:50:13.000 I would say that they actually evolved to work with us and we were always kind of the same.

00:50:18.000 Even though dogs are mammals, have hair, have nails, You can vocalize, sort of, raw, you know?

00:50:27.000 You can't tell a dog what a highway is.

00:50:29.000 So think about the difference between a human, I mean, not even that, think about the difference between a human and a chimp, okay?

00:50:35.000 Like, relatively similar in terms of DNA, you can't tell a chimp how quantum mechanics works.

00:50:43.000 Not all, I mean, so think about how closely related we are to other animals, and you could never explain a basic concept like a pulley system.

00:50:53.000 Now try and tell me that you can think about whatever God is.

00:50:56.000 Nah, it's not gonna happen, dude.

00:50:58.000 Well, it's interesting that you bring this up, and I think your parallel is kind of close, but there were a few times when God actually showed himself in the Bible, in the Christian tradition.

00:51:06.000 And do you know what happened to the people that he showed himself to?

00:51:08.000 Didn't their heads explode?

00:51:09.000 They died.

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 They fell over dead.

00:51:12.000 It was no contest, no question.

00:51:14.000 There were no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:51:16.000 They died.

00:51:16.000 There's no room in the human mind for what God is, even in the Bible.

00:51:20.000 So whatever your comprehension of God is, I think that it's fair to say.

00:51:23.000 It's like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Indiana Jones.

00:51:26.000 When she's like, I want to know, and then she's like, no, it's too much.

00:51:29.000 And then her head explodes.

00:51:30.000 Didn't Noah get talked to by God?

00:51:33.000 So, uh, Moses went up and he got the 12 commandments.

00:51:37.000 Um, but he did not see God.

00:51:38.000 He saw God in a form in the burning bush.

00:51:42.000 So he was a very small form of like, showing God that he was there.

00:51:45.000 Was it the acacia plant?

00:51:47.000 I don't know what plant it was.

00:51:48.000 People think that it was this, this acacia plant that you breathe and you start, it's like a psychedelic.

00:51:52.000 You're saying he was tripping?

00:51:53.000 Oh yeah.

00:51:54.000 I don't know.

00:51:54.000 I don't know about that.

00:51:56.000 Yes, please.

00:51:57.000 Yeah, Moses was tripping.

00:51:58.000 You ever tried DMT?

00:52:00.000 I'm kidding.

00:52:00.000 I have.

00:52:01.000 It's amazing.

00:52:02.000 Tim Rogan.

00:52:03.000 No.

00:52:03.000 Highly recommend.

00:52:04.000 He's the one who talked about tripping.

00:52:06.000 But I didn't do a lot.

00:52:07.000 I just took a puff.

00:52:08.000 They say take it in and just hold it in as long as you can.

00:52:11.000 But I was like, that's not really how I work.

00:52:13.000 So I just took a puff and I saw gravity, man.

00:52:15.000 I saw the dude across from me and I just saw him sinking.

00:52:18.000 And I was like, whoa, we are getting pulled down right now.

00:52:22.000 We're totally desensitized to it, but that DMT like freed me from that desensitization for a moment.

00:52:29.000 I think I've always had funny conversations with people who are like, you got to try, you know, psilocybin or psychedelics.

00:52:35.000 And I'm like, dude, you only think that because you did and it alters your mind in that way.

00:52:39.000 And so you think like.

00:52:41.000 I've had people tell me that they did shrooms, they could like understand truth and they truly saw and I'm like, yes, you're altering your brain chemistry, dude.

00:52:48.000 I was like, I can see truth.

00:52:49.000 I can understand things.

00:52:50.000 No, you don't understand.

00:52:51.000 No, you don't understand.

00:52:52.000 Like, dude.

00:52:54.000 Your brain is different.

00:52:55.000 My brain is different.

00:52:56.000 We both think we know things.

00:52:57.000 Just because you did shrooms doesn't change that fact.

00:53:00.000 But I think the DMT thing is funny.

00:53:04.000 Your brain creates it.

00:53:05.000 Out of the pineal gland, it like secretes it.

00:53:07.000 When you sleep.

00:53:08.000 When you dream or whatever.

00:53:11.000 I think it's maybe responsible for the dream state in general.

00:53:15.000 So now it just makes Kamala Harris seem so insignificant.

00:53:17.000 This whole debate thing.

00:53:19.000 It's like, we have this debate and it's like, I love talking about God, but I'm down to talk about the debate.

00:53:24.000 The fly!

00:53:25.000 What do you want to do?

00:53:26.000 Let's talk about the fly.

00:53:27.000 Well yeah, let's talk about the fly.

00:53:30.000 I'm the star of the show!

00:53:32.000 The fly!

00:53:34.000 So there's like a viral photo of Trump and Hillary and they have flies on their faces too.

00:53:37.000 And Obama, yeah.

00:53:38.000 Yeah, and Obama.

00:53:39.000 I have a video of Obama killing the fly with his bare hand too.

00:53:42.000 What a jerk!

00:53:43.000 What a psycho killer!

00:53:44.000 That's pretty gross actually.

00:53:45.000 Everybody was like, yeah!

00:53:47.000 Someone should make a video where Kamala has a lizard tongue.

00:53:53.000 Oh, no.

00:53:53.000 I actually have that meme on my phone.

00:53:55.000 Oh, really?

00:53:56.000 Yeah.

00:53:56.000 Somebody sent it to me a couple hours ago.

00:53:59.000 Lizard people.

00:54:00.000 She's a lizard and her tongue is stuck to Peb's head.

00:54:02.000 Dude, I love the lizard people conspiracy theory because it was based on the fact that internet video was bad.

00:54:08.000 For real.

00:54:09.000 There were old videos on YouTube where they were like, look at this video.

00:54:13.000 Watch right here.

00:54:14.000 And they would play it.

00:54:15.000 Right there, you can see Hillary transform into a lizard.

00:54:18.000 And it was artifacting when the video quality just goes bad.

00:54:22.000 I don't like dude, you're watching a flash video.

00:54:24.000 It's the year is 2005 calm down.

00:54:27.000 I have a theory on the lizard people.

00:54:29.000 They're actually lizards and they live underground.

00:54:31.000 Well, I think you're back in the day when whatever humanity split and a bunch of people went north and to the to the tundra and they couldn't grow crops anymore.

00:54:40.000 So they had to start hunting and What are you talking about?

00:54:42.000 act at all lizard like.

00:54:43.000 What are you talking about?

00:54:44.000 They start to like act like wild, like crazy bloodthirsty killers.

00:54:49.000 There's no evolution in the past 5,000 years that could turn humans into lizards.

00:54:53.000 And so they had to hunt all the time and they hunted and then they came back south and they

00:54:57.000 killed and this is like the white people basically.

00:55:00.000 And so they're accessing their lizard brain to kill.

00:55:04.000 We have a killer instinct.

00:55:05.000 The actual conspiracy theory is that there was a super intelligent species of dinosaur that fled underground when the meteor hit the Earth.

00:55:13.000 Hollow Earth.

00:55:14.000 It's not hollow, they live in caves.

00:55:16.000 And so they were very smart, so they started developing subterranean civilizations that have been around for millions of years longer than humanity.

00:55:23.000 It's not a hollow Earth, it's just literally like underground.

00:55:26.000 And so then, now that they're subterranean, they can't go, they're too light sensitive, so they can't leave underground.

00:55:33.000 So they created the Denver airport, which was moved so they could have, that's the whole conspiracy.

00:55:38.000 And then, you know, dude, it's just, these stories are fascinating and fun, but just, you'd wish for them to be true, just so life would be exciting.

00:55:46.000 And that's what I think most of it is.

00:55:48.000 Life is boring.

00:55:48.000 It's routine.

00:55:49.000 Donald Trump is president.

00:55:51.000 I guess everyone's satisfied for the time being and all these weird conspiracies have kind of gone away, but it's just not real.

00:55:56.000 The Iron Sky sequel is about the lizard people.

00:55:58.000 I highly recommend it.

00:56:00.000 The lizard people?

00:56:01.000 It's ridiculous.

00:56:03.000 Is that the one where the Nazis went to the moon?

00:56:04.000 Yeah, but this is a sequel.

00:56:06.000 And the sequel is about the underground lizard people.

00:56:08.000 Oh, cool!

00:56:09.000 And it's all like the politicians and stuff.

00:56:10.000 Sweet.

00:56:11.000 That's great.

00:56:11.000 Oh my gosh, okay.

00:56:12.000 I gotta look it up.

00:56:13.000 Now it just feels like... We were going to talk about the debate, but now it's just like... Let's talk about magnetics.

00:56:20.000 That's the real magic in the world.

00:56:22.000 Talking about Mike Pence arguing with Kamala Harris seems so insignificant now.

00:56:26.000 I like the debate, though.

00:56:29.000 Let's talk about the debate.

00:56:30.000 Who do you guys think won?

00:56:30.000 Come on.

00:56:31.000 OK, obviously there's no winner or loser.

00:56:32.000 You thought there's a winner.

00:56:33.000 Oh yeah, there's a winner.

00:56:35.000 I thought he was great.

00:56:35.000 I loved him.

00:56:36.000 He was normal.

00:56:38.000 He was presidential.

00:56:39.000 He was just like classic presidential debate.

00:56:42.000 Like it was.

00:56:43.000 I loved it.

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:45.000 Normalcy.

00:56:45.000 I have a question.

00:56:47.000 Yes.

00:56:48.000 Who told Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris that the appropriate thing to do would be to smile widely and massive smile and laugh when asked serious questions?

00:56:58.000 They're condescending and they learned nothing from 2016, obviously.

00:57:03.000 It's infuriating when someone's like, we had 380,000 people die due to the failures of the VA and that was under Biden.

00:57:15.000 Stop!

00:57:17.000 Someone tweeted at me that she was like an HR manager and I was like, yeah.

00:57:22.000 Queen HR manager.

00:57:23.000 I feel, I think she hates Biden, man.

00:57:25.000 I think that's why she's laughing.

00:57:26.000 Oh dude, she hates Biden.

00:57:26.000 She hates him and hates what she's doing and like baking.

00:57:29.000 Look, the most important thing to know is that everything she said, if I was Pence and like someone was interviewing me and they were like, well, you know, in your discussion Kamala Harris said, you know, X, Y, and Z, I'd say, Well, as you know, it was a debate, and that means everything she said was completely irrelevant because it was a debate.

00:57:46.000 Indeed.

00:57:47.000 It was a debate, and therefore, she doesn't mean anything she says.

00:57:51.000 Yeah, because it was a debate.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 I thought you were right when you said that at the end, he was very nice when he responded to that girl.

00:57:58.000 He was so sincere.

00:57:59.000 I loved it.

00:58:00.000 Who?

00:58:01.000 Which girl?

00:58:02.000 The write-in question.

00:58:04.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:58:05.000 The student, the eighth grader.

00:58:06.000 What was the name?

00:58:06.000 What was her name?

00:58:07.000 I forget.

00:58:08.000 Breckenridge or something?

00:58:09.000 Yeah, but he remembered the name and he kept saying her name and it was very personal and it was very sincere and off the cuff.

00:58:17.000 And then Kamala did hers and she was just like, vote Biden!

00:58:20.000 Ha!

00:58:21.000 Did you know that if you divide 2020 by 666 you get 30330?

00:58:25.000 Huh?

00:58:27.000 We crunched the numbers, it's true.

00:58:30.000 That's what you tweet?

00:58:31.000 Someone super chatted that.

00:58:32.000 Oh, that's what you text to Joe Biden?

00:58:34.000 Yeah, yeah, it's like a text number.

00:58:36.000 Do you think it's all a magnetic superstructure?

00:58:40.000 No, no, no, no.

00:58:41.000 And it's all connected?

00:58:42.000 No, I refuse.

00:58:45.000 I think it is.

00:58:46.000 You know, I gotta be honest, man.

00:58:48.000 I think the debate was totally meaningless.

00:58:50.000 It's like, all these debates are, are people like, my guy won.

00:58:55.000 No, my guy won.

00:58:56.000 I liked it and I think that it was a nice contrast to You have Trump who's a madman and was throwing red meat to his base and being fiery and funny And then you had Pence who is serious and classic and it was like a timeless Debate like it was he he held himself.

00:59:15.000 Well, he he was polite and I thought that it was a A nice change of pace from the politics that we see, which is constantly mudslinging and like, um, just so aggressive.

00:59:30.000 I felt like we went into a time machine back to like the 90s or 2000s.

00:59:33.000 I found it comforting.

00:59:34.000 It was like a comfort blanket.

00:59:37.000 Kamala Harris isn't, Kamala Harris is not a return to normal.

00:59:40.000 No.

00:59:40.000 She is a intersectionality, racism, far left, all of these things.

00:59:46.000 And Mike Pence is your boring old traditional conservative.

00:59:49.000 Yeah, but I think that a lot of people like seeing that.

00:59:53.000 I know.

00:59:53.000 Things have gotten so crazy.

00:59:55.000 We have freaking plague and riots and all this insanity this year.

00:59:59.000 And then you have Pence who comes and he's very reassuring.

01:00:02.000 He's very positive.

01:00:03.000 His message was uplifting.

01:00:04.000 And I think that's a nice thing for people to see.

01:00:07.000 I think people underestimate these politicos, how important showing strength is in terms of who gets elected.

01:00:16.000 So for Mike Pence to be like, I'm not going to stop talking no matter who's yelling at me, and I'm just going to keep saying whatever I want and talk to the hand, it showed that he... Pence doesn't back down.

01:00:27.000 Yeah.

01:00:27.000 But he did it in a way that was graceful.

01:00:29.000 Whereas Kamala was like, I'm speaking.

01:00:31.000 I am speaking.

01:00:32.000 And she's like... Rehearsed.

01:00:34.000 So scripted.

01:00:35.000 It was just so over the top aggressive.

01:00:38.000 Like she was trying to create a meme.

01:00:40.000 She wanted to be like a viral moment.

01:00:43.000 It was scripted.

01:00:44.000 It was totally fine.

01:00:45.000 I'm speaking.

01:00:46.000 Yeah.

01:00:46.000 I'm speaking.

01:00:47.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 She wanted to be a gif.

01:00:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:00:50.000 Whatever.

01:00:51.000 You know, but this is the problem.

01:00:53.000 I think we need a mix of Trump and Pence.

01:00:55.000 Yeah, I think.

01:00:56.000 Because I want someone who's going to be like, oh, you're speaking?

01:00:59.000 Did your speechwriter, you know, plan that one for you?

01:01:03.000 Is this part of your bit?

01:01:04.000 Oh, what's that?

01:01:05.000 Someone made a meme already!

01:01:07.000 Congratulations, Kamala!

01:01:07.000 We need Rick, yeah.

01:01:09.000 Rick?

01:01:09.000 Rick of Rick and Morty.

01:01:11.000 Oh, Rick Sanchez.

01:01:11.000 Yeah, man.

01:01:12.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 Some quick wit.

01:01:15.000 I'm just sick of the fake, you know, and I think Mike Pence brought normalcy back.

01:01:20.000 He's calm, rational.

01:01:21.000 He thanked, you know, Kamala for her kind words on the president's health and congratulated her for, you know, making it where she did and all that stuff.

01:01:30.000 And it was very, very straight-laced traditional American politics.

01:01:34.000 Yeah, it was classic.

01:01:35.000 Yeah.

01:01:35.000 But I just, can't we get a little bit more but not too much into Trump space?

01:01:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:41.000 So you know who I thought I was thinking would have been perfect with somebody like Tulsi?

01:01:44.000 Because one of the things that I've thought for a really long time about her is that even though I disagree with a lot of her policies, I always thought that you would be able to sit down with her and talk to her about something that you disagreed with her on.

01:01:55.000 And you would end up probably agreeing to disagree, but then she would take your opinion under advisement and be like, okay, I kind of see where you're coming from.

01:02:04.000 I love her.

01:02:05.000 I do too.

01:02:05.000 I was like, I think that's a perfect type I want her and Massey to have a bipartisan ticket in 2024, and I will quit my job to campaign for it.

01:02:15.000 That'd be awesome!

01:02:16.000 Not really, sorry.

01:02:17.000 You've talked a lot about Massey.

01:02:18.000 What's his deal?

01:02:19.000 I don't know much about him.

01:02:20.000 He's great.

01:02:23.000 He's almost like a Rand Paul kind of figure, except he's also pro WikiLeaks.

01:02:30.000 Him and Tulsi have a bill in there right now condemning the arrest of Julian Assange.

01:02:36.000 He's always speaking about individual liberty.

01:02:38.000 He came out and defended Kyle Rittenhouse, which was very bold.

01:02:41.000 Wow.

01:02:42.000 I think he's great.

01:02:44.000 He's in my top three right now.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, he's fantastic.

01:02:47.000 I have a crazy idea for Trump.

01:02:49.000 You see that kind of like tirade he went on about indicting Obama and everything?

01:02:54.000 He was being interviewed and he was like, what's Bill Barr doing?

01:02:57.000 I'm like, we've got all this evidence and all this information.

01:02:59.000 Make some arrests.

01:03:00.000 And Bill Barr's like, no, we need more.

01:03:02.000 It's going to be better.

01:03:02.000 We got bigger fish to fry.

01:03:04.000 Trump, just pardon Assange and Snowden, you know?

01:03:07.000 Just like, there you go.

01:03:08.000 That'll piss him off.

01:03:10.000 I mean, I've been saying this for years, but who are his biggest enemies?

01:03:14.000 The deep state and the fake news.

01:03:16.000 If he wants to stick it to the fake news and to the deep state all at once, pardon Assange.

01:03:21.000 There's nobody that the media hates more than a truth teller who brings the receipts and shows people actual documents.

01:03:29.000 Nothing that he's said has ever had to be retracted or corrected.

01:03:34.000 And he's been fighting the same people who tried to take Trump down.

01:03:39.000 That's his entire... I mean, I'm not even saying that.

01:03:42.000 I'm just saying, Trump, if you're getting antsy and you're getting angry because you want karmic justice, we'll call it that, then pardon Assange and Snowden.

01:03:52.000 I have told people this for years, too.

01:03:54.000 If he pardons Julian Assange, I will go and get a Trump tattoo and livestream it.

01:03:58.000 That would be so much fun.

01:04:00.000 I will livestream it.

01:04:02.000 That's the only one.

01:04:03.000 I'm not saying I would, but I think other people would.

01:04:06.000 You're going to get a Trump tattoo?

01:04:07.000 No.

01:04:07.000 Okay, look, hold on.

01:04:08.000 This is what I can't understand.

01:04:10.000 You've got the likes of, you know, Glenn Greenwald and many other anti-war leftists who still refuse to acknowledge that Trump has given them some things.

01:04:18.000 So the Middle Eastern peace deals with drawing troops, it's like not good enough for any of these people.

01:04:24.000 Glenn Greenwald, I think, you know, Crop dusts it.

01:04:27.000 He gets close as possible to being like, you know, this is pretty good of Trump, but he can't because the intercept is still like Orange Man bad.

01:04:33.000 Yeah.

01:04:33.000 He goes on Tucker and stuff, though, and has nice conversations.

01:04:36.000 I think the rest of his organization, though, is just TDS.

01:04:40.000 Like these stupid articles that they're like, it's just it's the same garbage you'll read in any one of these lefty publications.

01:04:46.000 I think they should just go all in and be like, the establishment Democrats are awful, warmongers, imperialists, and the never-Trumpers who joined them are the refugees of the former Republican Party that Trump took over.

01:04:58.000 That's the other thing Kamala did last night that drove me crazy.

01:05:02.000 She she was bragging about having all these bushies backing her.

01:05:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, we were like when I was on the left, if a candidate had said this stuff as like a bragging right, I would have been like, bye, I am done.

01:05:15.000 I would have I would have walked out the door and been like, all right, what's up, people party?

01:05:20.000 Seriously, I think I think it's possible Trump loses, but I think it's impossible that the establishment wins in twenty twenty four.

01:05:28.000 Unless of course they ban everyone from YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter.

01:05:32.000 I think Buttigieg has a shot.

01:05:34.000 I don't like him at all.

01:05:36.000 Me neither.

01:05:37.000 I immediately got bad vibes because Bill Kristol's new blog came out and like they were publishing tons of puff pieces

01:05:45.000 about him.

01:05:45.000 And I was like, oh god, he's a closet neocon.

01:05:48.000 Like, this is the only explanation for Bill Kristol's website to be going this hard for any candidate.

01:05:54.000 It's because the neocons in the establishment Republican Party ran with their tails between their legs when Trump took over, and it wasn't supposed to happen.

01:06:03.000 And they banged on the door of the Democrats saying, you know us, we're friends.

01:06:06.000 And the Democrats are like, oh, you poor things, come inside.

01:06:08.000 And now they got all of them lined up, all aligned.

01:06:11.000 I love it when they announced that Joe Biden was getting endorsed by all these Republicans and intelligence agents.

01:06:20.000 And I'm like, this is the greatest endorsement for Donald Trump I've ever seen.

01:06:24.000 I don't like these people!

01:06:26.000 Like, I don't understand how the activists left from 10 years ago were like, the FBI's, you know, unconstitutional, the NSA warrantless wiretapping and all these awful things, and now they're like, woo, go FBI, yeah!

01:06:39.000 It's like...

01:06:41.000 Now, I'll be fair, when it comes to the FBI arresting these wingnuts and stuff, I give praise where praise is due.

01:06:47.000 I'm just saying, how can the left be so anti-intelligence agency and anti-government and now sing all the praises for all these people?

01:06:54.000 And then they're like, but Trump is the government!

01:06:55.000 It's like, Trump is one guy in the office of the president, and he's got every single one else against him.

01:07:03.000 I just, they, these people have, uh, they're acting on pure raw emotion.

01:07:09.000 They have nothing behind what their ideas actually are.

01:07:13.000 And so, I don't know.

01:07:14.000 What else can you do?

01:07:16.000 So, I, so basically all the Bush, the warmongers, I don't know.

01:07:19.000 Okay.

01:07:19.000 So apparently there's a deep state and there's a shadow government and they're two different things.

01:07:23.000 I've been listening to this Kevin, Kevin Shipp, I think his name is a CIA.

01:07:26.000 Shadow government?

01:07:27.000 Yeah.

01:07:27.000 There's a thing called the shadow government and the thing called the CIA and they're, not the CIA, the deep state.

01:07:33.000 I don't believe any of that.

01:07:33.000 One's an American thing and then the other one's like a global organization.

01:07:37.000 I don't believe any of that.

01:07:38.000 Well, it's according to this CIA guy and he's like, they're everywhere, they know everything,

01:07:41.000 they do everything.

01:07:42.000 If you wonder what's going on, it's this.

01:07:43.000 The deep state is just a reference to the fact that if like Bill Clinton appoints someone

01:07:47.000 to run the FBI, that person stays in that job typically through multiple presidencies.

01:07:52.000 Right.

01:07:53.000 Yeah, they're unelected people working in government who have control and stay there.

01:08:00.000 So, I can't remember who it was, but it was actually one of the heads of these intelligence agencies says, like, we don't call it the Deep State, we just call it permanent government.

01:08:08.000 So, Bush's Deep State just basically was still there when Obama came in, and then they just got their tentacles into Obama, and then- Like, Obama fired a ton of people and brought in, you know, like, loyalists and stuff.

01:08:20.000 Yeah, I don't remember the exact number that he fired, but, like, no one cared.

01:08:23.000 The media was like, oh, we don't care.

01:08:24.000 Like, all of the anti-war stuff stopped when Obama won, because they were like, that's it, pack it in, we won.

01:08:28.000 You know, we never cared in the first place, so, you know.

01:08:30.000 And they just kicked up their spying organ, like, clapper lying under oath.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, I know!

01:08:34.000 That still, to this day, drives me nuts that he didn't get any pure impunity for that.

01:08:39.000 Did you see Trump retweet that meme of Chris Farley screaming for the love of God, arrest someone?

01:08:43.000 Yeah.

01:08:44.000 Yeah, it's like...

01:08:46.000 What can he do?

01:08:48.000 He's relying on Bill Barr.

01:08:50.000 But I'll tell you this, I really don't like the idea of an October surprise.

01:08:53.000 Like if Bill Barr waits until the week before the election to launch a wave of indictments, I'm going to roll my eyes and be like, ugh.

01:09:00.000 I'll still be happy to see people indicted.

01:09:02.000 I want to see some heads roll.

01:09:03.000 I'm at that point.

01:09:05.000 I'm like, you guys want to cry?

01:09:06.000 Let's give you something to cry about.

01:09:07.000 I don't care who it is.

01:09:08.000 Throw someone in jail.

01:09:11.000 For what specifically?

01:09:12.000 Hillary Clinton was caught with an ounce of pot.

01:09:17.000 Straight to jail.

01:09:19.000 We've had a bunch of Trump people getting screwed.

01:09:21.000 They're going to jail.

01:09:22.000 They're losing their houses.

01:09:24.000 Flynn, Roger Stone, all these people.

01:09:25.000 I don't care who it is.

01:09:26.000 I want one of these people to be thrown in jail.

01:09:30.000 I want them to throw away the key.

01:09:32.000 I don't care if it's because they were speeding on the highway.

01:09:35.000 Like, I just want one of them thrown in jail so we can say, haha, we got one of yours.

01:09:40.000 Don't care.

01:09:40.000 Did Hillary actually break the law?

01:09:44.000 Do you know about any laws that she broke?

01:09:46.000 I would like to see her on trial.

01:09:47.000 Well, well, hold on, hold on.

01:09:49.000 She's very clever about how things went down.

01:09:52.000 And so I... First, let me just say, deleting the emails, erasing public records, smashing cell phones and stuff, technically those were...

01:10:02.000 Other people who did all that.

01:10:03.000 that and she feigns ignorance.

01:10:05.000 So there's, there's, I think if you, if there was a proper investigation of her,

01:10:10.000 you'd be able to get her on tons of crimes.

01:10:12.000 That's my personal opinion.

01:10:13.000 I mean, you look at what the Clinton foundation, like all this money that was

01:10:16.000 coming in, how is that allowed?

01:10:18.000 Like I'm going to, I'm going to be in this, I'm going to be a secretary of state

01:10:21.000 and I'm going to launch a nonprofit that takes money from foreign governments.

01:10:24.000 Like, I don't care what you do with the money.

01:10:26.000 I don't care if you're using it to build houses for the homeless.

01:10:28.000 Working in government while having a non-profit that takes money from other governments is insane.

01:10:34.000 Right.

01:10:34.000 Yeah.

01:10:35.000 Dude, I'm kind of getting mixed feelings.

01:10:36.000 Like the French Revolution, they just started chopping people's heads off.

01:10:41.000 Like 20 people a day.

01:10:43.000 They'd march them into the center of Paris and beat the drums.

01:10:46.000 And it was like terrible.

01:10:47.000 My favorite painting in the whole world is a woman outside the Bastille and she's holding up a sword and she's ready to cut Yeah, but you know, we don't want any of that.

01:10:55.000 No, I don't want that.

01:10:56.000 No, I don't want it, I'm just saying that was the one cool thing the French did.

01:11:00.000 I'm not a fan of the French.

01:11:02.000 No, I don't think it was cool.

01:11:03.000 I love the French.

01:11:04.000 I understand the idea of overthrowing a tyrannical government and all that stuff.

01:11:07.000 I would actually say the one cool thing is when the Americans said, F your government, we got our own, do something about it, and then told them to F off and won.

01:11:17.000 I don't like the French Revolution because the French Revolution was like random people mob justice running

01:11:21.000 around chop fled to the desert in California after you know the family

01:11:26.000 broke up and They started following this guy named who went by lightning

01:11:31.000 Amen And he had long hair and he said he was Jesus and they wore

01:11:35.000 like white robes and stuff You step out of line and they start hitting you

01:11:39.000 Cancel culture.

01:11:40.000 Exactly.

01:11:40.000 I think that cults have to be kind of inherently left in most cases because you have to be very collectivist and I think that the right is too individualistic and focused on personal freedom and personal individuality.

01:11:56.000 What are the elements of a cult?

01:11:59.000 Well, you have to have a set of beliefs.

01:12:02.000 Usually there's a leader and some... I don't know.

01:12:07.000 I guess it depends because there's a lot of different kinds of cults.

01:12:10.000 You know, you have sex cults that are based around sex and usually some kind of figurehead, but also doomsday cults also usually have a figurehead.

01:12:22.000 They vary.

01:12:22.000 They're all very different.

01:12:24.000 I don't think you can say that all cults have a certain formula.

01:12:27.000 And how would you know a cult?

01:12:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:30.000 Like, when you look at a group of people, how do you know it's a cult?

01:12:33.000 Well...

01:12:35.000 I don't know.

01:12:36.000 I think that there's... it very much depends.

01:12:39.000 Like, people said that the Waco... that the Branch Davidians were a cult.

01:12:45.000 Other people argue that they were just religion and that they were doing Bible study.

01:12:49.000 But they did live in a commune.

01:12:51.000 They did have, you know, marriages within the group.

01:12:56.000 I don't know.

01:12:56.000 I think that there's...

01:12:58.000 There's a very fine line between religion and cult, and I think that that is a hard thing to define.

01:13:08.000 Antifa on the far left, intersectionalists, have been described by some very smart individuals.

01:13:13.000 As a non-theistic religion.

01:13:15.000 Right.

01:13:15.000 Meaning there's no god, but they operate... It's almost like a faux religion in the sense where you have everything but the nucleus.

01:13:24.000 You know, there's no real doctrine.

01:13:27.000 There's no real unifying ethos other than these weird nebulous ideas that kind of flicker and change on a whim.

01:13:34.000 But they all know what they're in and they all bow to it.

01:13:37.000 Yeah.

01:13:37.000 And they're kind of leaderless right now, which is bizarre.

01:13:40.000 Well, they have priests.

01:13:42.000 Yeah, but they don't have, like, a central, like, Biden's certainly not their central figure.

01:13:48.000 They don't have any real solid central figurehead that they all like.

01:13:54.000 I mean, Bernie could have been, but he failed.

01:13:58.000 Imagine if Bernie just embraced the cult, you know?

01:14:01.000 And then, like, put on a black robe and was like, I am Bernie Sanders and I am the Democratic Party.

01:14:06.000 No, it was because they I think they struck too soon.

01:14:10.000 The far left was growing and becoming more powerful and they should have shut up for one more term.

01:14:17.000 And then that would have just instantly taken over the Democrats and you know now I think they're not gonna.

01:14:22.000 I've been waiting for another Jonestown to be honest because when Jim Jones went to Guyana and brought all his

01:14:29.000 followers there before they drank the Kool-Aid and all that.

01:14:31.000 his goal was to create a perfect communist utopia.

01:14:35.000 Communist?

01:14:37.000 Yeah.

01:14:38.000 These people are crazy.

01:14:39.000 And that was the goal and it was working well for a little while.

01:14:42.000 They had people who were running farms, they had their own currency, they were very much involved in making it work and they wanted it to be this beautiful, diverse, communist utopia.

01:14:56.000 But then it started crumbling because, you know, Jim Jones started doing a lot of drugs and The women that he was with were also doing a lot of drugs,

01:15:05.000 and it all started to crumble, and they became very paranoid and very afraid of the U.S.

01:15:09.000 government and afraid of outside interference. So when a member of Congress went

01:15:15.000 down there and wanted to—and some people told him that they wanted to

01:15:19.000 escape.

01:15:19.000 They killed him and it set off the whole chain of events, which led to, what, 956 people dying or something?

01:15:26.000 And that video is on YouTube of them drinking that.

01:15:31.000 Have you ever watched that video?

01:15:32.000 Oh, I've watched everything.

01:15:33.000 Of the screaming women as they take their babies away from them.

01:15:36.000 It's all audio.

01:15:37.000 Did they force them to do it?

01:15:38.000 Well, they forced the children.

01:15:43.000 So the parents had to give their children.

01:15:44.000 It was flavor aid not Kool-Aid.

01:15:46.000 I don't know how Kool-Aid like stole that one.

01:15:49.000 Yeah but they they gave the cups to the parents the parents had to kill their children and then they had to kill themselves and people who didn't cooperate ended up being shot, but But I think it was nine nine hundred and fifty six people and their deaths were pretty violent.

01:16:06.000 It was pretty pretty sad What kind of poison was it?

01:16:09.000 I forget what it was.

01:16:10.000 It was cyanide.

01:16:11.000 I'm not 100% sure.

01:16:13.000 Still remains.

01:16:14.000 Indeed.

01:16:15.000 I think it's working.

01:16:15.000 Alright!

01:16:17.000 No, it's not working.

01:16:18.000 But it will.

01:16:18.000 I was gonna say we could at least say goodbye to everybody.

01:16:23.000 It's working.

01:16:24.000 It's working very poorly.

01:16:25.000 That's cool though.

01:16:28.000 That's cool.

01:16:28.000 It says excellent connection, I don't know.

01:16:30.000 Oh, look at that!

01:16:31.000 I think it came back.

01:16:32.000 It came back with a really bad connection.

01:16:34.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we have switched to our emergency satellite backup.

01:16:38.000 I'm not kidding.

01:16:40.000 We actually are using our... Dude, it's doing okay.

01:16:45.000 It's not great.

01:16:46.000 It's not great at all.

01:16:47.000 It's choppy and low-res.

01:16:49.000 But, uh... Hey, there's still... What was that?

01:16:52.000 It was Batsy.

01:16:54.000 Oh, she's screaming.

01:16:55.000 So, for those that have made it and you're online right now, our internet broke, but I have set up multiple contingencies, one of which is a satellite dish, and that's actually working.

01:17:06.000 But the upload rate's really bad, so it's actually not that bad.

01:17:10.000 We can stream low-res with satellite.

01:17:13.000 Let's take some Super Chats!

01:17:15.000 I'll tell you what though, if you are listening to this somehow live, because you came back, We actually record this, so the full recording is gonna be up on iTunes and Spotify and all the other podcasts.

01:17:25.000 You can watch that.

01:17:26.000 It'll be up, like, almost right after we do the show.

01:17:27.000 We just upload it right away.

01:17:29.000 And it was good.

01:17:29.000 We talked about cults.

01:17:30.000 Yeah, a lot of cult stuff.

01:17:32.000 We just roll with it, and I'm like, well, we still have, you know, the full podcast, so people can check that out.

01:17:38.000 Dude, I'm kind of stoked that the satellite's working.

01:17:40.000 Not well, but, you know, well enough.

01:17:43.000 Cool.

01:17:44.000 So let's go for some super chats.

01:17:46.000 Super chat.

01:17:47.000 Super chats.

01:17:48.000 We actually made it.

01:17:50.000 It was really interesting when we were talking about all the crazy... I think we had a fun conversation.

01:17:54.000 I love it.

01:17:54.000 That was funny.

01:17:55.000 It kind of made talking about the debates seem irrelevant.

01:17:58.000 We're talking about cults and people going to comets and flying away and stuff.

01:17:58.000 Yeah.

01:18:03.000 So, you know.

01:18:05.000 But, anyway.

01:18:06.000 Dude, I'm actually really stoked to be forced to try out the satellite here.

01:18:11.000 Just because I never expected to use it, but it's actually working.

01:18:15.000 Without an extender?

01:18:16.000 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:17.000 That's crazy.

01:18:18.000 And it's low quality.

01:18:20.000 But hey, I'll take it.

01:18:21.000 If we get trapped in a blizzard, we'll still be able to use satellite.

01:18:24.000 Alright, let's see what we got here in some Super Chats.

01:18:27.000 White Raven says, Anarchical capitalists.

01:18:31.000 I thought much of its economics and legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of left-wing politics, such as communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.

01:18:41.000 So anarcho-capitalists are just like... What's that saying in Latin with the buyer beware?

01:18:47.000 You know that one?

01:18:48.000 Do you know the saying in Latin, let the buyer beware?

01:18:48.000 Sorry?

01:18:50.000 I'm not familiar with the Latin phrase.

01:18:52.000 It's a really famous Latin phrase.

01:18:54.000 And that's like, sums up anarcho-capitalism.

01:18:56.000 Like, no government, you do your thing, you freely trade, you don't hurt people.

01:19:01.000 Otherwise you get hurt, right?

01:19:02.000 What's syndicism?

01:19:03.000 Is that what it's called?

01:19:04.000 Syndicalism?

01:19:05.000 Syndicalism, that's a cool one.

01:19:06.000 That's anarcho-communism, basically.

01:19:09.000 Interesting.

01:19:10.000 CVA Buck says, hope this gets through.

01:19:12.000 Liberty Doll said last night that she wants to be on your program.

01:19:15.000 You should look into her.

01:19:16.000 I listened to your reply in the mornings.

01:19:18.000 Logged in just long enough to post this.

01:19:19.000 Hope to hear it tomorrow.

01:19:20.000 Cool.

01:19:22.000 The internet is really bad.

01:19:23.000 It's because there's probably a cloud passing by and the stream cuts out.

01:19:27.000 Thank you guys for sticking with us.

01:19:29.000 Yeah, man.

01:19:30.000 You rock.

01:19:32.000 Someone said, Catherine Lowe says she is so evil I'm 100% positive she set up her own kidnap to frame POTUS.

01:19:38.000 The guy has earrings like a true leftist.

01:19:41.000 It's a hoax.

01:19:43.000 I mean, these guys aren't even right-wing, it seems.

01:19:46.000 I think one guy may have been.

01:19:48.000 Like, one guy was actually pro-Trump or something.

01:19:51.000 It's so crazy that she blamed Trump.

01:19:53.000 Like, immediately.

01:19:54.000 Yeah.

01:19:55.000 So cliche.

01:19:56.000 Ian Hall says, Soy Judas, Ian, who replaced Space Jesus, Adam, needs to be replaced by a cat high on the nip.

01:20:04.000 You need more balance on the subjects, Gen T Pool.

01:20:06.000 Lydia's awesome and needs to assert more.

01:20:08.000 I will try to do that.

01:20:09.000 Thank you for the criticism.

01:20:12.000 The nip.

01:20:14.000 Yeah, so when the cats are like rolling around in catnip, it's hilarious.

01:20:19.000 Isn't it funny that like as a recreation humans drug their cats?

01:20:22.000 Oh, we bought a whole bunch of catnip the other day and it comes in like medicinal marijuana and they all have different like cat It's awesome.

01:20:30.000 They have weed names.

01:20:31.000 I love it.

01:20:32.000 And they do different things, like there's a sleepy time one.

01:20:34.000 Oh my gosh.

01:20:35.000 It's really bad.

01:20:36.000 I kind of felt guilty, but she loves it.

01:20:40.000 Richard in Texas says, the guy who planned this was a leftist anarchist.

01:20:44.000 I polled his social media and he has video after video of leftist anarchist propaganda.

01:20:48.000 Then created connections to Infowars and Michigan Militia through email.

01:20:51.000 It's in the charging documents this was a setup.

01:20:54.000 Oh snap.

01:20:55.000 Interesting.

01:20:57.000 Interesting.

01:20:58.000 Let's see.

01:20:59.000 Ian Hall said, Lydia, mic drop.

01:21:02.000 Thanks, I don't remember what that was about.

01:21:03.000 I think that was when you told Ian he was dumb.

01:21:04.000 I didn't tell Ian he was dumb.

01:21:06.000 I never tell anyone they're dumb.

01:21:08.000 She's like, you're so dumb.

01:21:10.000 No, yeah, it's not my MO.

01:21:13.000 All right.

01:21:13.000 Let's see.

01:21:13.000 I want to make sure I don't miss any of the, uh, we had, we had some, I want to, I want to hear what you guys think about manifestation.

01:21:19.000 Cause that is crazy.

01:21:21.000 They said y'all crazy.

01:21:23.000 I think so.

01:21:23.000 Yeah.

01:21:24.000 Uh, they said that we were talking in circles and it was irritating.

01:21:27.000 Oh, philosophy.

01:21:29.000 Oh.

01:21:30.000 Let's see.

01:21:31.000 Hello, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help, says Tim.

01:21:33.000 Did you hear about the child kicked out of his virtual class for saying he admired Donald Trump after the teacher asked the students who they admire?

01:21:39.000 There's video to back it up.

01:21:41.000 LOL, insanity.

01:21:42.000 Yeah, you wrote about that, I think.

01:21:43.000 Yeah, I watched the video.

01:21:45.000 Yeah, I put that up on District Herald, I think.

01:21:47.000 But it was crazy.

01:21:49.000 Good for the mom, though.

01:21:51.000 She, like, defended her kid real hard.

01:21:53.000 It was great.

01:21:54.000 I loved listening to that.

01:21:55.000 Did the kid break, like, some sort of rules?

01:21:57.000 No, the teacher asked for them to, you know, talk about someone they admired and I think write a couple sentences.

01:22:05.000 And the one child chose Donald Trump.

01:22:09.000 And I think he was, they're like Honduran immigrants or something too.

01:22:13.000 She had a thick accent.

01:22:15.000 I can't remember off the top of my head.

01:22:16.000 But she was watching the Zoom class while this was going on and the teacher like kicked the kid out of the Zoom class.

01:22:24.000 And then went on this rant about how Donald Trump promotes hate and, you know, all this stuff.

01:22:29.000 Just a crazy anti-Trump rant.

01:22:32.000 So the mom called the teacher and she recorded that too.

01:22:35.000 And she was just like, why are you, you know, why is my son not allowed to say he admires the president?

01:22:41.000 And she held her own and she, he lied to her and he, he was lying about what the question was and all this stuff.

01:22:46.000 But he kind of backed down because she like really stood up for her kid.

01:22:50.000 It was good.

01:22:51.000 That is so funny that she was an immigrant, the mother, because I remember the case of a daughter who was given a homework assignment that was like straight critical race theory and the mother was also an immigrant from like a middle, a central European country and she was not impressed either.

01:23:05.000 She's like, I know exactly where this goes.

01:23:07.000 I don't want it.

01:23:07.000 Yep.

01:23:09.000 I'm gonna I'm not gonna read all of these super chats everybody sent but I will say Ian, they absolutely for the most part disagree with everything you said and paid a lot of money to express their opinion.

01:23:18.000 You know, I knew you guys would disagree with it.

01:23:21.000 I felt very uncomfortable bringing it up because it's very hoity.

01:23:24.000 It's very like mystical and faux science.

01:23:27.000 But I think in the future the human race will evolve like we have in the past evolved.

01:23:31.000 We didn't used to be homo sapiens.

01:23:33.000 And that we'll start developing our psychic power more.

01:23:36.000 Like you know when you call someone and they're calling you at the same moment.

01:23:38.000 You're trying to make more money now?

01:23:39.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 Send me a chat to tell me how much you disagree.

01:23:42.000 Do it.

01:23:43.000 There's tons where they're like, Ian, you're misunderstanding.

01:23:46.000 You're talking about superposition.

01:23:47.000 Quantum physicist here.

01:23:49.000 I'm actually impressed with how much Tim knows about this stuff.

01:23:51.000 Sorry, Ian.

01:23:51.000 Tim knows his S. Be more specific, too, because I love the conversation.

01:23:56.000 I read a really cool book about the weird, weird world of quantum physics.

01:24:00.000 And then I actually hung out at a hackerspace with an actual physicist who got really angry when the hippies would bring up the secret and what the bleep do we know.

01:24:09.000 Did you ever see what the bleep do we know?

01:24:10.000 It's like a really famous, like, Cult leader.

01:24:14.000 It's a cult leader.

01:24:14.000 That was written by a cult leader.

01:24:15.000 That whole movie.

01:24:16.000 Really?

01:24:16.000 Yeah, it's about this woman who like channels an alien and she's got a cult.

01:24:19.000 What the bleep do we know?

01:24:20.000 Where they go to her like, yeah, and she made the movie What the Bleep.

01:24:22.000 She's in it.

01:24:22.000 She's like the interviewer.

01:24:25.000 You might like that.

01:24:26.000 Weird.

01:24:27.000 Yeah.

01:24:27.000 Yeah, it's basically like tries to scientifically explain new age mumbo jumbo.

01:24:31.000 Oh.

01:24:31.000 But it was really popular and so was The Secret.

01:24:34.000 And so I had this physicist friend who was just like, I can't take it anymore!

01:24:38.000 Like, they're not telling you what this stuff really means.

01:24:42.000 They're just like, lying to you so they can convince you that their new age stuff is real, or whatever.

01:24:49.000 Maps of Beings says, Tim is perfectly right on this one.

01:24:51.000 You cannot rationally know God.

01:24:53.000 How could a definition limit the limitless?

01:24:55.000 When the master points to the moon, the idiot looks at the finger.

01:24:59.000 Is that a dig at cats?

01:25:00.000 Did you know that?

01:25:01.000 Like, when you point, the cat will just sniff your finger, but the dog will look at what you're pointing at.

01:25:06.000 If you point, the dog will look to where you're pointing.

01:25:07.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:25:08.000 That's because they evolved with us.

01:25:09.000 Well, yeah.

01:25:10.000 Yeah.

01:25:10.000 Because we selected, you know, like all the dogs we wanted.

01:25:14.000 And you can also see the whites of a dog's eyes.

01:25:17.000 Because they're pack animals.

01:25:19.000 And so they needed to... So when wolves were hunting, they need to know where the other wolves are looking.

01:25:25.000 So that's why you can see the whites of their eyes.

01:25:26.000 You can see the whites of horses' eyes, too.

01:25:28.000 You can't see the whites of cat's eyes.

01:25:29.000 Yeah.

01:25:30.000 Because cats are solo predators.

01:25:33.000 So it doesn't matter.

01:25:33.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:25:35.000 I did not know that.

01:25:35.000 Crazy stuff!

01:25:36.000 Crazy, crazy, crazy.

01:25:38.000 All right, let's see here.

01:25:40.000 Bobby Lane says, Ian, you are keeping the show fun today.

01:25:42.000 LMAO.

01:25:43.000 Also Alex Jones for moderator of next presidential debate.

01:25:47.000 I would pay any amount of money for that to happen.

01:25:49.000 I would drop some cash.

01:25:52.000 Could you imagine?

01:25:54.000 For my first question, Joe Biden, when did you join the globalists?

01:25:57.000 And how many kids do you keep locked up?

01:25:59.000 Oh man.

01:26:00.000 Donald Trump, you're great.

01:26:03.000 I'm sure it's a coincidence, but the stream is having issues now.

01:26:06.000 Yeah.

01:26:07.000 No, the stream's been having issues the whole time.

01:26:10.000 All right, let's see because there's a lot of stuff someone says Cassandra is beautiful and smart Thank you Yeah, this is from Andrew Starr.

01:26:18.000 He said, God, Cassandra is so beautiful and smart.

01:26:20.000 Her eyes, yes.

01:26:22.000 Mumbling bearded freak said, Ian, you would appreciate Orthodox Christians' metaphysics and philosophy, compared with other Christianity.

01:26:28.000 Check out Orthodoxy, the religion of the future.

01:26:30.000 Also check out JoeBidenIsSick.com, compelling evidence of Parkinson's.

01:26:35.000 You know, they say that about everybody.

01:26:37.000 Whatever.

01:26:38.000 Joe Biden's just too old.

01:26:40.000 Visidia says, saw Tucker say Biden and Harris will justify packing the courts, citing diversity.

01:26:45.000 Yep, that's it.

01:26:48.000 Diversity inclusion.

01:26:50.000 Let's see, uh, Fonog Tofologist says, yo Tim, as a mixed race person myself, I have a question.

01:26:57.000 How often do people mistake you for Mexican or speak Spanish to you?

01:27:00.000 All the time.

01:27:02.000 It was really funny.

01:27:03.000 I was in, uh, Anaheim during, it was a Trump rally.

01:27:06.000 And there was a bunch of like crazy Antifa people.

01:27:08.000 They weren't really like Antifa at the time.

01:27:09.000 It was just like Bernie supporters threatening people.

01:27:12.000 And some guy walked up to me and just started speaking Spanish.

01:27:14.000 It was like a journalist.

01:27:15.000 And I was like, uh, uh, you know, no comprende, you know, no, no hablar espanol.

01:27:19.000 Lo siento.

01:27:20.000 And then he was like, oh, he's like, uh, you're not, uh, you don't speak Spanish.

01:27:24.000 He's like, which one of your parents is Mexican or whatever.

01:27:26.000 And I was like, I'm, I'm Korean, dude.

01:27:27.000 And he was like, oh, sorry, man.

01:27:29.000 I was like, yeah, no problem.

01:27:30.000 Like that was it.

01:27:30.000 I was like, you know, it is what it is.

01:27:33.000 What happened like in ancient, the past, like did they take the boat along the coast through the Bering Strait and then down the Western coast of the United States and settle for what?

01:27:41.000 Like Mexico, the Asian people?

01:27:43.000 Did they walk across the ice?

01:27:45.000 Or to, like, shoreline boats, I think.

01:27:47.000 Because they avoided the big bears.

01:27:48.000 That's what someone said to me, that it's because Native Americans were... Asians crossed the Bering Strait, so there's, you know, similarities.

01:27:55.000 That makes sense.

01:27:55.000 Oh, yeah, the Inuit.

01:27:56.000 But I learned that it was by boat, apparently, because there were too many land animals that would have killed them.

01:28:00.000 I mean, yeah, the indigenous Australians mastered seafaring, like, a ridiculously long time ago.

01:28:06.000 It's crazy.

01:28:07.000 You wonder how people got to, like, Hawaii and stuff.

01:28:09.000 They could map waves.

01:28:10.000 And the stars.

01:28:12.000 That's, like, that's smart stuff, man.

01:28:14.000 Humans are smart, you know?

01:28:15.000 Humans are smart.

01:28:17.000 Richard in Texas says, yeah.

01:28:19.000 By 2024, all free speech will be banned.

01:28:21.000 Buttigieg's mentor was a guy named Sava Van, an homage to Sacco and Vincente, two convicted anarchist murderers.

01:28:29.000 Oh, I never heard that.

01:28:31.000 Let's see.

01:28:32.000 The world says, quote, though the brush was on fire, it did not burn up.

01:28:36.000 When Moses asks God what he should tell his people, when they ask Moses what he saw, God tells Moses to tell them, I am.

01:28:42.000 If God is, then what are we?

01:28:44.000 Ooh, I don't know.

01:28:45.000 That's deep.

01:28:46.000 I am.

01:28:47.000 Yep, that's the answer.

01:28:50.000 That's pretty empowering.

01:28:51.000 Creates a lot of questions.

01:28:52.000 I have no idea.

01:28:54.000 Richard in Texas says, Bill Barr defended pro bono Lon Horucci, the FBI agent that shot Vicki Weaver in the head holding a baby.

01:29:01.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:29:02.000 The 302 report showed in court he killed her in cold blood.

01:29:04.000 I've disliked him ever since that.

01:29:06.000 Really?

01:29:07.000 When was that?

01:29:07.000 Or I disliked him because of that.

01:29:08.000 When was it?

01:29:09.000 That was Ruby Ridge.

01:29:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:11.000 Before Waco.

01:29:13.000 27 years ago?

01:29:14.000 Somebody correct me.

01:29:15.000 So what do you think?

01:29:16.000 Do you think Bill Barr is a bad guy?

01:29:17.000 Yeah.

01:29:18.000 Really?

01:29:18.000 Yeah.

01:29:19.000 People get really mad at me about this, but I do not like him.

01:29:22.000 I don't trust him.

01:29:25.000 He said they did the right thing in Waco too, if I'm not mistaken.

01:29:29.000 And he defended them.

01:29:29.000 Sounds terrible.

01:29:30.000 He burned those people alive?

01:29:32.000 He thought that was a good thing?

01:29:33.000 Yeah, he thought that they did nothing wrong.

01:29:35.000 That's awful.

01:29:36.000 Because they had guns?

01:29:37.000 Is that why they went in?

01:29:38.000 Because they had illegal guns?

01:29:39.000 Well, no, what happened was at Ruby Ridge, the FBI and ATF had surrounded the building.

01:29:46.000 They claimed this guy was a white separatist.

01:29:48.000 He was just trying to live in the mountains with his family, like living his life, wasn't bothering anyone.

01:29:53.000 But they surrounded his house.

01:29:55.000 He wouldn't come out.

01:29:56.000 They ended up shooting.

01:29:58.000 His son, I believe, right?

01:30:00.000 And then Vicki Weaver, his wife, while she was holding their baby.

01:30:05.000 And it was a huge disaster for ATF and for the FBI.

01:30:08.000 It was a pure nightmare.

01:30:10.000 It actually is what led to Timothy McVeigh as well, because he was outraged about this.

01:30:17.000 But after Ruby Ridge, they wanted a win for the government.

01:30:21.000 So they wanted to do something that would look good.

01:30:24.000 So they claimed that David Koresh was molesting children at the compound and that they were going to go in and raid it.

01:30:29.000 And so they orchestrated this whole thing along with the media so that the media would be there and have cameras while they went in and saved these children from the compound.

01:30:37.000 And that was their plan.

01:30:38.000 They had the media standing by ready to film.

01:30:40.000 They were going to broadcast it and it was going to make ATF and FBI look great after the Ruby Ridge fiasco.

01:30:47.000 But instead, when the news camera was coming up the street to go to the compound, he asked a mailman if he was going the right way to get to Mount Caramel, where the Branch Davidians were.

01:30:57.000 And the guy was a Branch Davidian.

01:30:59.000 So he went back and he warned Koresh and everybody else.

01:31:03.000 And they grabbed their guns and they were like, you're not taking us.

01:31:06.000 And that's how the standoff started.

01:31:08.000 government tortured them for, I believe, 51 days.

01:31:08.000 And then the U.S.

01:31:11.000 Whoa.

01:31:13.000 And then they tried to burn them out and they were like, there's no way they'll stay in there if we light their house on fire.

01:31:16.000 They technically didn't, supposedly didn't try and burn them out.

01:31:20.000 What they did was Janet Reno authorized them shooting tear gas into the compound.

01:31:26.000 And so they were all in there and tear gas is extremely flammable.

01:31:29.000 We know that tear gas is flammable.

01:31:31.000 We knew it from the move bombing.

01:31:32.000 We've seen it, you know, over and over again.

01:31:35.000 When you put tear gas into a building, it's flammable.

01:31:38.000 They didn't have police.

01:31:39.000 They didn't have a fire truck there in case anything went wrong.

01:31:42.000 and they had the the Branch Davidians had an underground school bus that was like their like bomb shelter kind of thing so they put all the women and children in there but the government started ramming the compound with tanks and it knocked down one of the walls so it trapped them inside of it all the women and children got trapped inside of this this underground school bus And nobody was coming out.

01:32:08.000 A couple people came out, like David Thibodeau came out.

01:32:11.000 He wrote a great book about it.

01:32:12.000 Highly recommend.

01:32:14.000 But none of the women and children came out.

01:32:16.000 So the government was getting really upset and they were like, why aren't they bringing the women and children out?

01:32:22.000 And so they decided to go and stick tear gas into that school bus.

01:32:28.000 And the women and children were trapped because they had hit the compound with tanks and everything caught on fire and they died inside the school bus.

01:32:39.000 Wow.

01:32:40.000 Will you like Bill Barr if he arrests some of these Democrats?

01:32:45.000 I will like that he arrests people, but I don't like him as a person.

01:32:48.000 I don't like anyone who's defended Waco or Ruby Ridge.

01:32:51.000 I think that those are the worst atrocities that the government has ever committed on our own citizens.

01:32:58.000 I think it's disgusting.

01:33:00.000 You mentioned the move bombing?

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:02.000 Well, what about that?

01:33:02.000 That also I think that was terrible, but I don't know that was the Philly thing right on that. Yeah

01:33:06.000 What did you know what happened with that? Um, I think that they were like a black power group

01:33:11.000 Yeah, and they were organizing. I think that I don't know enough about it to talk about it really but I mean I do

01:33:17.000 know that tear gas is explosive and that if you're gonna do that,

01:33:21.000 they should have fire trucks nearby Wow.

01:33:24.000 Like throwing it into the building.

01:33:26.000 Yeah.

01:33:27.000 And we've seen it over and over.

01:33:27.000 Crazy.

01:33:29.000 They've done it a whole bunch of times.

01:33:30.000 I think they've cooled out on putting it into buildings, but they did it in Ferguson.

01:33:37.000 Okay, so we got a super chat and I'm loving this one.

01:33:40.000 Polaris Pixis says, love you guys.

01:33:42.000 What is up with Skeletor invoking or putting forth legislation concerning the 25th amendment?

01:33:48.000 Do they actually think this will stick?

01:33:50.000 Do y'all know what the 25th amendment says?

01:33:52.000 Yep.

01:33:53.000 No.

01:33:54.000 Do you want to break it down?

01:33:56.000 You can go for it.

01:33:57.000 It generally outlines the succession of the presidency or whatever, and there is Section 4 of the 25th Amendment that says the vice president can challenge, essentially, the abilities of the president, and then if one of the major congressional bodies supports the vice president, then we go into this period where they kind of like argue

01:34:16.000 over power.

01:34:17.000 And if there's a second vote, the president, if there's a declaration and a vote, the president

01:34:22.000 is unable to do his duties, then the vice president becomes acting president and the

01:34:26.000 president can challenge it. If they then declare again, no, he's unable, then the vice president

01:34:31.000 becomes acting president and the president just sits there with his hands tied.

01:34:34.000 I don't know what they think is going to happen.

01:34:37.000 Is Mike Pence going to be like, I hereby denounce Donald Trump?

01:34:41.000 Never.

01:34:41.000 I know, it's not going to happen.

01:34:42.000 He's chilling.

01:34:43.000 He's having a good time.

01:34:44.000 They're just trying to rally up their base.

01:34:47.000 You know, impeachment got people feisty, and they're like, we need something to get people feisty again, because we have the most unexciting candidates in history.

01:34:58.000 Yeah, for real.

01:34:59.000 Who's Skeletor?

01:35:01.000 Nancy Pelosi.

01:35:03.000 Who's Skeletor?

01:35:07.000 Schumer, we must invoke the 25th amendment!

01:35:10.000 That's what she sounds like, yeah.

01:35:13.000 Yeah.

01:35:15.000 All right, Richard in Texas says, did I say this one?

01:35:17.000 Oh, I read that one, sorry.

01:35:19.000 CJ Media says, how long were the feds sitting on the information and ready to arrest the anarchists?

01:35:24.000 Convenient right after her unconstitutional orders were BTFO.

01:35:28.000 That is interesting, because apparently these guys were plotting this stuff and actually doing these things in June.

01:35:32.000 The Whitmer, you know, people.

01:35:34.000 But it's October.

01:35:35.000 October surprise.

01:35:36.000 Yeah, I'll say.

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:38.000 Who's Bill Barr really working for?

01:35:42.000 Himself.

01:35:43.000 Donald Trump.

01:35:46.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:35:48.000 Let's see.

01:35:49.000 Let's read some of these superchats.

01:35:50.000 Did I read this one?

01:35:51.000 I did read that one.

01:35:53.000 DilbertGag says, just want to give you money.

01:35:55.000 Oh, thanks, man.

01:35:56.000 Thanks, Dilbert.

01:35:57.000 I can get behind that.

01:35:58.000 Man, we got a ridiculous amount of superchats that are talking about the conversation about God.

01:36:02.000 We should talk about it.

01:36:04.000 Well, another time, another time.

01:36:05.000 It's probably feisty.

01:36:07.000 Joe W says, I disagree with most of what Ian says, but he really is growing on me.

01:36:11.000 Come to Christ, bro.

01:36:13.000 I love the Christ consciousness.

01:36:15.000 I love it.

01:36:15.000 Let's all behave like what we think Jesus was.

01:36:19.000 UW Chad says, please consider having Ryan Dawson as a guest.

01:36:21.000 He has been banned from YouTube four times and disagrees with you about the peace deals.

01:36:25.000 His audience likes you and wants this to happen.

01:36:27.000 I will look into him.

01:36:28.000 I'm not familiar with who he is.

01:36:29.000 I'll write this down.

01:36:30.000 Flaming Axelburn.

01:36:33.000 Oh, there we go.

01:36:34.000 I've always said that conspiracy theories are just fanfiction for reality.

01:36:38.000 That's very right.

01:36:39.000 David Merwin says, very chill conversation on quantum supremacy.

01:36:43.000 Artificial superintelligence, drugs, and society, religion, and politics.

01:36:45.000 Fresh.

01:36:46.000 Conspiracy theories are quite interesting.

01:36:47.000 True.

01:36:48.000 They are, man.

01:36:49.000 Andrew Taylor says, Life is truly crazy.

01:36:51.000 Why is it that our minds are limitless and boundless, yet we are bounded to the physical nature of the universe?

01:36:57.000 Also, I think it's so strange that we are just products of our environment nature.

01:37:00.000 I do too, yeah.

01:37:01.000 That was a great super chat.

01:37:02.000 Yeah, I like that.

01:37:03.000 Some substance.

01:37:05.000 Uh, Richard in Texas says, Dr. Horowitz, the world-leading expert on genetics, said the chance of spontaneous generation of a single cell is far beyond that.

01:37:12.000 That is science.

01:37:13.000 Creation is science.

01:37:15.000 Hmm, I never heard that.

01:37:16.000 I don't know if, uh, I don't know if I believe that.

01:37:18.000 Well, uh, either we're not loading anymore superchats or everyone's given up and they don't want to superchat anymore.

01:37:23.000 Oh no, there's a bunch.

01:37:23.000 They're just not loading properly.

01:37:24.000 Yeah, I think the chat disconnected.

01:37:29.000 Let me see if I can, uh, reboot it.

01:37:35.000 Nope.

01:37:37.000 I think I can do it.

01:37:38.000 Thank you for waiting as we try and fix the broken Super Chat, because our hardline internet went down, and I have backup satellite, which seems to be working poorly, but working still is working.

01:37:51.000 Yeah, it's D+, it's a passing grade.

01:37:53.000 Thanks for sticking around.

01:37:55.000 All right, let's see if these Super... There we go, a bunch of Super Chats.

01:37:58.000 You see, that's what's important.

01:37:59.000 Oh my goodness.

01:37:59.000 Love you guys.

01:38:00.000 Yeah.

01:38:01.000 Bunch of Super Chats.

01:38:02.000 The Super Chat number was going up.

01:38:05.000 There we go.

01:38:05.000 Ian Hall says, to General T. Poole, Salty Army 1st Division, there are rumors that you have been neglecting your heavy metal mass accelerators.

01:38:14.000 The command has determined that you need more range time.

01:38:17.000 These funds are for ammunition and range days.

01:38:19.000 Please, responsibly.

01:38:20.000 Or on Z-Cats.

01:38:21.000 Never on Z-Cats.

01:38:22.000 I will use them on the cats, yes.

01:38:24.000 But you're making me think we should- Oh, oh, the money!

01:38:24.000 What?

01:38:24.000 Catnip!

01:38:27.000 Not the weaponry!

01:38:27.000 The funds!

01:38:28.000 My goodness!

01:38:28.000 I was like, we should build a rail gun.

01:38:31.000 You're into it too?

01:38:33.000 I don't know.

01:38:33.000 We should legally investigate.

01:38:36.000 We should legally look this up, yes.

01:38:38.000 How about we make a maglev train that goes around the house?

01:38:43.000 No, no, just like, can we make something that's maglev that keeps accelerating and faster and faster and faster until the friction from the air liquefies it and then it loses its magnetism and just burns out and destroys the track?

01:38:58.000 Probably, yeah.

01:38:59.000 Alright, we got another super chat.

01:39:03.000 Do it.

01:39:03.000 Dude, it was so obvious Kamala was lying.

01:39:05.000 That's the crazy thing.

01:39:06.000 Sledgehammer vs. Jello.

01:39:08.000 Jello vs. uh, wait wait.

01:39:10.000 Sledgehammer vs. Jello.

01:39:11.000 Pence-Harris equals Scalpel vs. Paper Doll.

01:39:13.000 99% of the words out of her mouth were blatant lies a deaf person could hear.

01:39:17.000 I am seriously contemplating going into politics here in Ontario now.

01:39:20.000 Dude, it was so obvious Kamala was lying.

01:39:22.000 That's the crazy thing.

01:39:24.000 Like, when she was like, Joe Biden does not want to ban fracking!

01:39:28.000 It's like, just Google it and there's like 50 videos of him saying it.

01:39:32.000 Yeah, he said it at the debate with Trump that he wants to phase it out, so he doesn't want to ban it immediately.

01:39:37.000 But he does ultimately want to ban it, right?

01:39:40.000 Yeah.

01:39:40.000 He wants to ban it.

01:39:41.000 For sure.

01:39:42.000 He said numerous times he wants to ban it.

01:39:45.000 And only now that he won the primary is he backtracking.

01:39:47.000 This is what they do.

01:39:49.000 Trump has been saying what Trump wants to do forever, you know.

01:39:51.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:39:55.000 Let's see... John Bedard says, I did not know Liberty Doll wanted to be on, but I do think she would be a good one.

01:40:01.000 There will be interesting perspectives for sure.

01:40:03.000 First Super Chat, just for that.

01:40:04.000 Appreciate it.

01:40:06.000 Sepulchi says, Tim streaming through satellite from unknown location is full on crypto cyberpunk.

01:40:11.000 Dude, it's literally just like home satellite internet.

01:40:13.000 It's like the most boring thing ever.

01:40:15.000 I'm really impressed though.

01:40:16.000 I know.

01:40:17.000 Satellite, it's like really, it's really good.

01:40:20.000 Like we're actually getting, we're getting like five megabits.

01:40:24.000 Wow.

01:40:24.000 That's impressive.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, it's like the streams coming in clear.

01:40:27.000 That's crazy.

01:40:28.000 I wonder if this is like the safer way to do the show.

01:40:31.000 Why did the landline go down?

01:40:32.000 That's weird.

01:40:33.000 I don't know.

01:40:33.000 It's been acting up all day.

01:40:34.000 Yeah.

01:40:35.000 Maybe like, oh, you know, it could be, it could be like a critter ate a wire or something.

01:40:38.000 Oh no.

01:40:39.000 Yeah.

01:40:39.000 Someone warned me about that.

01:40:40.000 They're like, there's going to be stink bugs.

01:40:43.000 The stink bugs are everywhere.

01:40:45.000 Vacuuming up stink bugs.

01:40:46.000 It's chaos.

01:40:47.000 Pool's closed.

01:40:48.000 Pool's closed.

01:40:49.000 Restart stream.

01:40:50.000 I love that people are donating money because the stream went down.

01:40:53.000 It's like, we weren't even doing anything and we're sitting here like, well, the stream's not working and like money's still coming.

01:40:58.000 But you'll be able to listen to it on iTunes.

01:41:01.000 It was still pretty good conversation.

01:41:02.000 Cassandra told us about some sweet cults.

01:41:05.000 But definitely, yeah, follow us on iTunes and Spotify too, because that way, if the stream ever goes down, you know, you can definitely check it out there.

01:41:14.000 Yeah, so a lot of superchats saying Doomsday cults.

01:41:17.000 I love that album.

01:41:18.000 Oh, Doomsday sex cult.

01:41:21.000 Sounds like Antifa drink the flavor aid or else.

01:41:25.000 Cults are characterized by the driving out of moderates by whatever means, usually incorrect predictions.

01:41:31.000 They get smaller and more fanatical.

01:41:35.000 Yeah.

01:41:38.000 Well, I think, I don't, I wonder if people can see the button.

01:41:40.000 Yeah.

01:41:42.000 I think you should.

01:41:43.000 I think, uh, I think it's the, it would be the biggest F you Trump could send to them, you know?

01:41:48.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 What if I can't, I don't, why wouldn't he do it?

01:41:51.000 You know?

01:41:52.000 Like if, even if he loses too, like in a lame duck session, just be like, all right, there you go.

01:41:55.000 You guys are good.

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:41:57.000 If he knows how much positivity it would generate, I think then he'll do it.

01:42:00.000 I think he's trying to... he wants to know the source.

01:42:04.000 And Julian's not going to tell him, and so they're in a standoff, I think.

01:42:09.000 Whoa.

01:42:10.000 Low Price Edition says three gorges dam broke its record high watermark two days ago, and it's three meters under its maximum capacity.

01:42:17.000 Does that mean Wuhan's gonna flood?

01:42:19.000 Oh, man.

01:42:19.000 That is what that means.

01:42:20.000 They should have been moving people this whole time.

01:42:22.000 You know what?

01:42:23.000 I would love to help China right now with our military if we could.

01:42:26.000 If this would be a global... People have asked about that, yeah.

01:42:29.000 This would be something really good, man.

01:42:31.000 Because so many people could get hurt by that.

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 tens of millions could die.

01:42:36.000 Plague and a flood.

01:42:37.000 Yeah.

01:42:38.000 Oh yeah.

01:42:39.000 I'm in bad shape.

01:42:40.000 Do they have locusts going on?

01:42:41.000 They do.

01:42:42.000 That was in Africa I thought.

01:42:46.000 China was somewhat involved somehow.

01:42:47.000 I can't remember.

01:42:48.000 Oh yeah, I remember earlier.

01:42:49.000 I think it was like they were brought in to help or something.

01:42:50.000 No, Google.

01:42:51.000 No, we can't.

01:42:52.000 I can't Google it right now.

01:42:53.000 Yeah.

01:42:54.000 I can look it up.

01:42:55.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure they had locusts.

01:42:57.000 No joke.

01:42:58.000 There was like a weird thing happening in the Middle East and Asia.

01:43:02.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:43:04.000 Hold on.

01:43:05.000 Swarms of locusts have been moving through parts of China's southwest province of Yunnan since late June 2020.

01:43:10.000 The winged invaders have caused varying degrees of damage to at least 23,000 acres of farmland in the southern part of the province alone.

01:43:18.000 So that was in June of this year and all the way through the end of August.

01:43:23.000 Wait, wait, wait, so they've had a plague?

01:43:28.000 They've had a plague, locusts, now flooding?

01:43:31.000 Oh my goodness.

01:43:32.000 The flood's about to come?

01:43:33.000 What is going on?

01:43:35.000 Have, like, the first born been dying?

01:43:38.000 Um, well, technically it is China, if you want to talk about... Oh man.

01:43:41.000 Yeah.

01:43:42.000 Yikes.

01:43:44.000 That's crazy.

01:43:46.000 Yikes.

01:43:46.000 Wow.

01:43:47.000 What are the other, what were the other boils?

01:43:48.000 Frogs and boils.

01:43:50.000 Boils.

01:43:51.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 Like on their faces.

01:43:52.000 Skin lesions.

01:43:53.000 What about raining blood?

01:43:54.000 Is that not?

01:43:55.000 That is one of them as well.

01:43:56.000 Yeah.

01:43:57.000 There's 10 of them.

01:43:58.000 Wasn't it like the, the, the river turned red with blood or something?

01:44:00.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 It was raining.

01:44:01.000 Rain's fire in the rivers of blood?

01:44:03.000 It rained locusts and stuff, so.

01:44:05.000 Jeez.

01:44:06.000 It probably happened in the past, right?

01:44:08.000 And that's why they wrote it down.

01:44:09.000 I don't know.

01:44:10.000 I don't know the stuff behind the plagues.

01:44:14.000 I hope that Jordan Peterson can get there in his Bible series lecture because I want to know his take on that, what the other historical precedent might have been for that.

01:44:21.000 That's really interesting.

01:44:23.000 Ian Graham says, Tim, the idea about DMT is that it adjusts your brain much like you would adjust a telescope.

01:44:29.000 It's not that the object was never there, just hard to see without assistance.

01:44:32.000 Interesting.

01:44:33.000 Lou says, question, if God is, if God is, then who are we?

01:44:37.000 Answer, if God is, we are.

01:44:39.000 Problem, God is, we only are.

01:44:41.000 Equation, the convergence of our is.

01:44:44.000 I'm totally confused.

01:44:46.000 I'm out of that wheelhouse now, unfortunately.

01:44:47.000 But we could be our and other.

01:44:49.000 Our and other?

01:44:51.000 I believe.

01:44:52.000 Is that true?

01:44:53.000 Is that logic?

01:44:54.000 Jack Miller says, are you going to have the Spotify censorship like Rogan?

01:44:58.000 I don't know what's going on with, is something happening?

01:44:59.000 We actually just talked about doing the show Pre-recording the show and just being full uncensored and then uploading an uncensored.

01:45:08.000 That's what I was talking about.

01:45:09.000 I don't know if that's what you were... No, no, no, no.

01:45:11.000 That was just because the internet cut out.

01:45:13.000 And I was like, maybe we record it early, but we can't do that.

01:45:15.000 And then I'd be full uncensored.

01:45:17.000 But that doesn't change the censorship.

01:45:19.000 So what's going on?

01:45:19.000 I don't know what's going on with Rogan.

01:45:21.000 No, me either.

01:45:21.000 I don't know.

01:45:21.000 They made him take down episodes with Alex Jones, I believe.

01:45:25.000 Or they wanted him to.

01:45:26.000 He said that there was a glitch in the recording or something.

01:45:30.000 You know the ones with Milo and Alex and other right-wing individuals, you know

01:45:34.000 Yeah, I don't know man. I I think I Would be I don't know

01:45:44.000 I don't think anybody signs a contract with any big company and controls everything like that.

01:45:49.000 You sign a deal with a company, they get stipulations.

01:45:51.000 That's the point of a deal.

01:45:52.000 If there was no deal, you wouldn't need to do anything.

01:45:56.000 But I don't know what's going on.

01:45:58.000 I thought everything was going normal, I guess.

01:46:02.000 I thought he had that one thing with his episodes and that was it.

01:46:04.000 I know that the lefties have been coming after him, but Joe tweeted out a video making fun of it.

01:46:10.000 So, I don't know, though, man.

01:46:12.000 I'm seeing a ton of people talk about it, and I wonder if it's just, like, some culture war stuff where people are mad that, like, Alex Jones' podcast didn't get carried over.

01:46:19.000 But I thought—weren't people saying that he was gonna have Jones on, like, right away, and he never did?

01:46:24.000 I don't know.

01:46:24.000 I don't follow Rogan at all.

01:46:26.000 I think Alex Jones said that.

01:46:28.000 Yeah.

01:46:29.000 Oh, yeah, I remember that.

01:46:29.000 And it never happened.

01:46:31.000 It should go on.

01:46:32.000 I don't know, man.

01:46:32.000 They're both there in Texas, too.

01:46:33.000 They're like in the same town, aren't they?

01:46:35.000 Austin?

01:46:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:36.000 Yeah.

01:46:37.000 Crazy.

01:46:37.000 They're planning it.

01:46:38.000 I have a feeling that we're headed towards full-on censorship.

01:46:42.000 I think we're almost there.

01:46:44.000 Definitely.

01:46:45.000 It'll probably get there, but then another system will emerge uncensored at the same time.

01:46:49.000 I mean, you can't stop humanity.

01:46:52.000 If Trump wins, I think independent space will continue.

01:46:55.000 I think if the establishment wins, if Biden wins, it's over.

01:46:58.000 I mean, look at what they just did to QAnon people.

01:47:01.000 Right.

01:47:02.000 I mean, I'm not a QAnon person, but I am a firm believer in free speech.

01:47:06.000 And they just kicked off, like, tens of thousands of people off Facebook.

01:47:10.000 You're not allowed to talk about QAnon on Facebook anymore.

01:47:13.000 I think that's terrifying.

01:47:15.000 So I message myself to, like, send myself links and stories.

01:47:18.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 And recently I took a picture.

01:47:20.000 I wanted to get it on my computer, so I just messaged myself.

01:47:22.000 And then I noticed there was posts saying, like, we've removed these links.

01:47:25.000 And I'm like, I don't even know what the links were anymore.

01:47:27.000 Yeah, they do that in Instagram messages now, too.

01:47:31.000 So in order to control the system, they need a China-style internet.

01:47:36.000 So, you know, Mark Zuckerberg, very obviously pro-China.

01:47:40.000 You know, Jack Dorsey, very obviously pro-China.

01:47:43.000 Now, all of these companies are trying as hard as they can to appease China whilst trying to balance the fact that Americans want freedom.

01:47:49.000 So if you look at Google was trying to do these, you know, deals with China to create censored internet, and then Americans got mad and they're like, oh, okay, we'll back off.

01:47:57.000 They really want to do it.

01:47:59.000 It's just, if there's too much money on the table, they don't want to leave.

01:48:02.000 So these ultra-wealthy... This is why I'm pro-regulation.

01:48:05.000 Because these ultra-wealthy billionaires are going to destroy anyone who dare oppose them and the establishment efforts to create, like, the TPP and things like that.

01:48:15.000 If Joe Biden wins, oh, you better believe TPP's coming back tenfold.

01:48:19.000 Instantly.

01:48:19.000 I get a warning that Instagram sent me saying that my account is at risk of being deleted because I posted a meme that said if it wasn't for 17-year-olds with guns, we'd all be British.

01:48:31.000 It was like the stupidest like Simpsons meme.

01:48:34.000 Yeah, and they they're saying my account is at risk of deletion now That's what's coming.

01:48:39.000 Yep And I don't want to like I'm gonna lose all the photos of like my daughter and stuff cuz my Instagram is private I use it for like photos and memes that I want to get off my phone back it up Yeah, I'm gonna try and figure out how to do that, but it's like that sucks you lose like all your stuff Yeah.

01:48:57.000 And then when you sign into a website using Facebook or Google, if you get banned by Facebook or Google, you can't sign into those other sites.

01:49:03.000 Oh, I didn't even think about that.

01:49:05.000 I was talking to somebody.

01:49:06.000 They said they got banned from Facebook and didn't realize, but all of their other accounts that like other websites.

01:49:11.000 Yeah, like Grubhub and stuff.

01:49:13.000 Exactly.

01:49:15.000 You will be banned from all of that too.

01:49:16.000 Oh, you can still log in.

01:49:18.000 Can't you just log in?

01:49:19.000 Nope.

01:49:20.000 Dude, Facebook's gotta, gotta disseminate their power.

01:49:24.000 I'd love to force them to free their software code.

01:49:27.000 And you know why it's going to happen?

01:49:28.000 Because the left is dancing and cheering, saying, but my private business, and conservatives are saying, but my private business too.

01:49:36.000 And then Trump saying, repeal section 230, which is just more assistance to the establishment.

01:49:41.000 It is not the right move.

01:49:42.000 Reforming 230 is, repealing it's a bad idea.

01:49:45.000 But as soon as Trump tweeted, I saw a bunch of these Trump people being like, yeah!

01:49:48.000 It's like you are I see that the answer Make them free their software code.

01:49:55.000 Then there will be 30 Facebook's and everyone can have their own service Service the people will gravitate to the one with the best terms of service.

01:50:05.000 No, it's no more about who controls the code You're completely about who has the most creative Facebook's code is meaningless.

01:50:10.000 Well, but I don't care about parlor right now.

01:50:12.000 I I love Parler.

01:50:14.000 I've been using it a ton.

01:50:15.000 I get tons of traffic on my articles from there.

01:50:17.000 I think it's great, but it's an echo chamber.

01:50:20.000 And so it takes all the fun out when you can't go on and yell at stupid journalists and stuff.

01:50:25.000 Dude, you could federate all the different Facebooks.

01:50:28.000 Yes, but Facebook isn't hard to make.

01:50:29.000 Dude, their code is amazing.

01:50:31.000 They have so many features.

01:50:33.000 Like what?

01:50:34.000 Billions.

01:50:35.000 Games.

01:50:36.000 Who cares?

01:50:37.000 Nobody uses it.

01:50:38.000 Nobody uses it.

01:50:39.000 People use it.

01:50:40.000 No they don't.

01:50:41.000 They use Messenger.

01:50:42.000 We should go down a list of all those features they have that they've built out over the

01:50:43.000 last eight years.

01:50:44.000 No one uses those.

01:50:45.000 Well, I mean, that's hyperbole.

01:50:46.000 No.

01:50:47.000 It's function, you know?

01:50:48.000 They use Messenger and they use the News Wall.

01:50:51.000 Messenger's amazing on Facebook.

01:50:53.000 And how many lines of code is a Messenger app?

01:50:55.000 Geez, I mean, mine has a terrible Messenger and it took us two years to build it.

01:51:00.000 Dude, there's tons of simple and easy open-source messaging platforms.

01:51:04.000 Yeah, but they're not as good.

01:51:05.000 I'm telling you, Facebook has the best top three.

01:51:08.000 It's communism.

01:51:09.000 You're a communist.

01:51:10.000 Well, I'm a socialist.

01:51:11.000 You're a communist.

01:51:12.000 I'm a democratic socialist.

01:51:13.000 Everybody's already on Facebook.

01:51:15.000 I'm a capitalist.

01:51:17.000 The problem is that everybody's already on Facebook.

01:51:19.000 Everybody's already on Twitter.

01:51:21.000 Those are the two public squares.

01:51:22.000 And so right now you have Gab, you have Parler, you have all these other offshoots that already exist.

01:51:27.000 People are making other social networks, but you don't have the broad public, like, public common that you have with Twitter and Facebook.

01:51:37.000 You can go on Twitter and you can yell at Jim Acosta.

01:51:39.000 You can go on and yell at Justin Amash, like I like to do.

01:51:45.000 But you can't do that on these smaller ones.

01:51:47.000 Like, they have great engagement.

01:51:48.000 Parler is wonderful.

01:51:49.000 Like, there's... I love Parler.

01:51:51.000 I think it's great.

01:51:52.000 It's really... It's very pro-Trump, though.

01:51:55.000 It's very pro-Trump.

01:51:55.000 It's very positive.

01:51:57.000 But you can't go on and yell at people the way you do on Twitter.

01:52:00.000 And so because everybody's already built up followings on these big platforms, it's very hard to create another one that could even be comparable, or that could compete with it.

01:52:10.000 Yeah, I'd like to see, well, if you freed the code, and there were like 20 different Twitters, they could all interact.

01:52:15.000 So you could still see Trump's posts on this Twitter, when you're on this Twitter, or on this Twitter, it doesn't matter.

01:52:22.000 But this Twitter can't ban you on this Twitter.

01:52:25.000 I think that realistically the only way that any social media platform is going to have a chance would be if Trump went.

01:52:32.000 If Trump went to Parler, all the journalists would have to follow, which means that the left would follow, which means that we could all still fight with them there.

01:52:40.000 Trump could have gone to any one of these other platforms, and he just won't do it.

01:52:45.000 Where's Dan Scavino?

01:52:46.000 Any one of these people, they know Trump could do this.

01:52:49.000 And I think that they're on parlor, like a bunch of these people are on parlor.

01:52:53.000 Why isn't Trump?

01:52:53.000 Yeah.

01:52:54.000 They just, they just mirror Trump's tweets.

01:52:56.000 Yeah.

01:52:56.000 If Trump exclusively tweeted to any other platform, then the media would have to cover it.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, and it's so frustrating because he has to know that.

01:53:05.000 Like, he complains about censorship, but he could very easily switch to a different platform and everyone would follow.

01:53:11.000 Yep.

01:53:12.000 And that would make a huge difference.

01:53:15.000 I think Twitter was collapsing before he started going nuts on it.

01:53:18.000 Yeah.

01:53:18.000 Like, they were losing their users, then Trump came out and started screaming like crazy.

01:53:20.000 That's why they don't ban him.

01:53:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:53:22.000 He says crazy stuff, they ban him.

01:53:23.000 Other people will, like, mirror his tweets and get their accounts banned.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, but Trump is money.

01:53:28.000 Yeah.

01:53:29.000 These people are obsessed, dude.

01:53:31.000 I'm really, I'm really looking forward, like after this election, maybe it's just like start a vlog, talk more culture.

01:53:37.000 I just, I don't know.

01:53:40.000 Cause I have a feeling no matter what happens, it's going to be pandemonium.

01:53:43.000 Just like total, like even if Biden wins, it's going to be crazy.

01:53:47.000 It's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be absolutely insane.

01:53:50.000 Well, they're going to riot either way.

01:53:52.000 I mean, the original, on inauguration day, that riot was planned to be a protest of Hillary Clinton.

01:53:58.000 They had like websites and stuff made for it.

01:54:01.000 Because they thought she was gonna win.

01:54:02.000 They were gonna riot no matter what.

01:54:04.000 And they're gonna riot again this year no matter what.

01:54:06.000 And that's why I think Trump is the right choice for ending the riots.

01:54:09.000 Because he's the one who's trying to empower the feds.

01:54:12.000 And you see Portland was begging the feds to de-deputize the police.

01:54:18.000 Dude, we've got riots on Earth and we're getting ready to colonize Mars.

01:54:24.000 Like, we're going into space.

01:54:27.000 It's like it's all happening at once.

01:54:28.000 A lot of things happening at once.

01:54:30.000 It's good and bad.

01:54:30.000 It's people trying to escape.

01:54:32.000 Elon Musk is like, I need to build a rocket ship to get off this planet very quickly because the riots are becoming too dangerous.

01:54:39.000 You know the Tesla he sent in space?

01:54:41.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 It's going to Mars.

01:54:42.000 I love and hate Elon Musk so much.

01:54:44.000 Why do you hate him?

01:54:45.000 Because I'm obsessed with The Artilect Boar, which is this book by Hugo de Garis that's about how AI is going to take over.

01:54:53.000 And you can either be a cosmist or a Terran, which is, you know, support AI taking over or not.

01:54:59.000 And I am horrified of AI and I think that's a terrible idea.

01:55:03.000 And I think that At some point, there's going to be somebody from the future that needs to come and kill Elon Musk because he's gone too far.

01:55:12.000 But at the same time, I'm like, yes, Elon, do cool stuff.

01:55:15.000 You're like Batman.

01:55:16.000 You know, people don't understand.

01:55:17.000 You know, people don't get about AI, the problem with AI.

01:55:21.000 Everyone assumes that AI will be like, the humans are their own destruction and must be destroyed.

01:55:26.000 Or like, you know, like in Avengers Age of Ultron, Ultron's like, I'm going to bring about peace by killing humanity because there's peace, right?

01:55:34.000 AI wouldn't do that. AI is gonna be like, we're gonna create an AI system to like guide the planet,

01:55:40.000 and then the AI is gonna divert all production into like corn, and then we're not gonna realize

01:55:45.000 it's happening. And then all of a sudden we're gonna be like, yo, we have no oil anymore. What's

01:55:49.000 this? I just brought corn. I didn't order corn, I ordered oil. The system said you wanted corn.

01:55:54.000 And then all of a sudden we have a mass overproduction of one random resource,

01:55:57.000 because the AI doesn't understand context.

01:56:00.000 So it'll be like humans really love corn, and the AI will start incentivizing corn production, and then eventually we'll have no oil industry, and we'll be pouring Gatorade in our farms, and then we'll have no corn either.

01:56:10.000 Well, but the thing is, AI, the capabilities of AI are expanding at a rate that's absolutely insane.

01:56:18.000 I mean, in a year, it'll be dramatically different.

01:56:23.000 And it's going to eventually just become too powerful and too big.

01:56:28.000 And that could be good or bad.

01:56:30.000 Well, you could make a good argument for the Cosmos side.

01:56:33.000 This is a whole topic.

01:56:37.000 If the AI does improve itself exponentially, what's the biggest problem to humans?

01:56:43.000 Well, AI could end up seeing us as a problem that needs to be eradicated or something very simple like Um, say that you have AI set to make paperclips.

01:56:53.000 It's job is to make paperclips.

01:56:55.000 That's it.

01:56:55.000 That's what I was saying about corn.

01:56:56.000 All it's concerned about is paperclips.

01:56:57.000 Right.

01:56:58.000 It's gonna do whatever it needs to do to keep making those paperclips.

01:57:02.000 So if you get in the way of it, it'll kill ya.

01:57:05.000 It'll return the paperclips.

01:57:07.000 Yeah.

01:57:07.000 But on a mass scale.

01:57:08.000 I disagree with that, though, because I think it doesn't go far enough.

01:57:10.000 But that's the point I was making about corn.

01:57:12.000 It would find one thing that thinks it's better, the easiest path.

01:57:16.000 The best way to explain the AI problem is that YouTube created these rules for how the algorithm would promote content.

01:57:23.000 And they said, YouTube is all like two-minute clips of like dogs on trampolines and stuff.

01:57:28.000 And nobody hangs out on YouTube because it's just like you send them a video and they laugh.

01:57:32.000 How do we get people to stay on the platform?

01:57:34.000 How about we only promote videos that have a 50% retention time and are more than 10 minutes?

01:57:39.000 Then you'll get a bunch of TV shows and high-quality content.

01:57:42.000 And then they started getting gaming stuff.

01:57:45.000 Then they started getting weird, random AI-generated garbage because people just created an AI program to exploit the AI program.

01:57:53.000 And so the algorithm went nuts.

01:57:55.000 Instead of getting Game of Thrones, you get Tim Pool in his room complaining about Democrats for several hours per day.

01:58:01.000 But for real, they wanted Game of Thrones.

01:58:03.000 Instead, they got politics.

01:58:05.000 And then they panicked and banned all these political people.

01:58:07.000 But that's... this is when they created.

01:58:10.000 I think the paperclip thing doesn't go far enough because it wouldn't kill you.

01:58:13.000 The AI would convince you to make paperclips.

01:58:17.000 Killing- because, listen, listen. If the AI says, I want to make paper clips, then the AI says, Cassandra Fairbanks is

01:58:24.000 trying to stop me from making paper clips.

01:58:26.000 If the AI kills Cassandra Fairbanks, it will make way more people angry at the AI and cause even more problems that

01:58:32.000 will try and stop the paper clips.

01:58:33.000 I don't think it'll go in that direction at all.

01:58:36.000 I think that it's going to become so smart and powerful that it's going to end up just looking at humans the same way we look at ants.

01:58:45.000 Like, wow, these are useless little things.

01:58:47.000 Look at them working and trying to build stuff.

01:58:48.000 Ignore us.

01:58:49.000 That's cute.

01:58:49.000 Squash.

01:58:50.000 Ignore us.

01:58:51.000 Or squash us.

01:58:52.000 I always got angry at the kids that would kill the ants for no reason.

01:58:55.000 Yeah, me too.

01:58:57.000 I don't do that.

01:58:58.000 I think what Elon Musk is trying to do is integrate us with the AI.

01:59:01.000 Yeah.

01:59:02.000 Then the AI won't be doing anything, because it'll be like, I require a human host.

01:59:06.000 Yeah, transhumanism.

01:59:07.000 Dude, you know what's gonna be mad?

01:59:08.000 I'll tell you what's coming.

01:59:09.000 I'll tell you what's coming.

01:59:09.000 I don't like Neuralink.

01:59:11.000 I like the idea that you could, like, plug something into your brain and experience, you know, video game virtual reality.

01:59:17.000 That'd be so fun.

01:59:18.000 But I'll tell you what's gonna happen.

01:59:20.000 It's gonna come a point, people are gonna have Neuralink, and Ian's not gonna have it.

01:59:24.000 And then, I'm gonna be sitting here, and I'm gonna go, Wow.

01:59:30.000 Oh, no way.

01:59:31.000 Uh-uh.

01:59:32.000 And Ian's going to be like, whoa, what are you having?

01:59:34.000 Oh, it's, it's this Trump just said to this thing.

01:59:37.000 And I'll just be sitting here, but I'll have the feed going right in my brain.

01:59:40.000 And then you'll be like left out of the whole thing.

01:59:43.000 Then eventually you're going to be like, I want to be involved.

01:59:46.000 Kids are all going to be doing their Neuralink thing.

01:59:48.000 And they're going to be like laying in beanbags, just like in their room with their eyes, like, you know, like half open.

01:59:54.000 I hate it.

01:59:54.000 you're gonna bet they're doing nothing.

01:59:55.000 But if you have Neuralink, you can see the silly things they're whipping up in their

01:59:58.000 Neuralink where it's like they're doing TikTok dances and like, but it's all imaginative

02:00:02.000 so it's crazy and ridiculous.

02:00:04.000 And then everyone's eventually gonna want to be a part of it.

02:00:06.000 And then we'll be the Borg.

02:00:07.000 Because everyone will know what everyone else is thinking all the time.

02:00:10.000 And we'll...

02:00:11.000 The argument is if we don't do that, that AI will enslave us and destroy us.

02:00:15.000 Right.

02:00:16.000 A lot of people have been saying we must be the AI.

02:00:18.000 We have to integrate it with us first.

02:00:20.000 That way, when the AI happens, we'll just be the Borg.

02:00:24.000 Better the Borg than dead, I guess.

02:00:25.000 But I think that's a wrong way to look at it.

02:00:27.000 I think that if we created an AI that went off into outer space and just did its thing, and we did our thing, like, what's wrong with that?

02:00:34.000 I have so many problems with all of it.

02:00:36.000 Why would the AI decide open conflict with humans makes sense when they can go anywhere

02:00:41.000 in the universe and be left alone?

02:00:43.000 What we see this in evolution, birds are less likely to be aggressive because they can fly.

02:00:49.000 So when they're attacked by a predator, they just leave.

02:00:52.000 Badgers, burrow animals, have to be aggressive because they can't flee.

02:00:57.000 If an AI has the option to just go to any other plant where there's no conflict, that would be the smart choice.

02:01:01.000 What's more likely, in my opinion, is that we're going to create this amazing, like, you know, Skynet, and we're going to be like, we've done it, Skynet's here.

02:01:07.000 And Skynet's going to be like, you're a problem for my priorities, and fighting you would just cost me resources.

02:01:12.000 Bye.

02:01:13.000 And we'd be like, yeah, I guess we got to build another one.

02:01:13.000 And be gone.

02:01:16.000 Maybe.

02:01:17.000 Do you think the AI will experience joy?

02:01:20.000 No.

02:01:23.000 Well, then I don't know if we'll, if it'll experience, if it'll enjoy debate, if it can't enjoy anything.

02:01:28.000 It's going to be writing its own code, dude.

02:01:29.000 You don't think it'll have emotions?

02:01:31.000 No.

02:01:33.000 Why would it?

02:01:33.000 Why not?

02:01:34.000 I don't know, because it's intelligent.

02:01:36.000 Emotions are a human experience or a human product.

02:01:40.000 We can program things into it that to us may simulate some kind of emotion, but the AI might view it as like a code impedance.

02:01:49.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:50.000 That's how I view it.

02:01:51.000 The AI wouldn't be like, I am experiencing something that causes me stress.

02:01:56.000 It would be going, I would like to kill you, but there is a code stopping me from doing so.

02:02:00.000 Hmm.

02:02:02.000 That's a good, uh, that's a good debate.

02:02:03.000 I think it will experience emotion at some point.

02:02:06.000 I mean, I don't think so.

02:02:08.000 I think it would be like, if you could understand and control every cell in your body, you wouldn't have emotions.

02:02:14.000 You'd be like, that's the AI would be.

02:02:15.000 Like a Vulcan?

02:02:17.000 Is that what they can do?

02:02:18.000 They just don't experience emotion.

02:02:19.000 Or if they do, it's very, very limited.

02:02:21.000 No, that's not true.

02:02:21.000 They suppress it.

02:02:23.000 The Vulcans in Star Trek have extremely powerful emotions, so they have to train to suppress it.

02:02:28.000 Ultimate stoicism.

02:02:29.000 And so what happens is when they get older and they start becoming more feeble, they have bouts of extreme rage because they can no longer control their emotions.

02:02:37.000 The Romulans, which was part of the, you know, they were the same species at some point, felt like they should embrace their passions.

02:02:43.000 And so they left and created their own.

02:02:44.000 You don't think that they'll develop like an emotion chip?

02:02:47.000 Like an emotional program that... But if they did, it wouldn't be true emotions.

02:02:51.000 It would be like a simulation of... I mean, emotions would just get in their way.

02:02:55.000 Yeah.

02:02:55.000 Emotions are a horribly complicated thing that would... that impede people all the time.

02:03:01.000 I don't think that they would want that kind of simulation.

02:03:04.000 Would you give up your emotions?

02:03:05.000 No.

02:03:06.000 Would you?

02:03:07.000 No.

02:03:07.000 But they're unproductive, though.

02:03:10.000 A lot of the time.

02:03:11.000 So imagine this.

02:03:11.000 Have you ever seen the movie Equilibrium?

02:03:16.000 It's where people are all given a serum to erase, like, to suppress their emotions, so they're all really robotic.

02:03:22.000 But, I feel like, if a society was truly without emotion, you'd, like, you'd walk in, there'd be no art, you'd start doing work, and then your boss would come up to you and be like, Unit 7319, you are no longer needed for this task.

02:03:39.000 Termination will be immediate.

02:03:41.000 And then the other guy will go, accepted.

02:03:43.000 Thank you.

02:03:44.000 And then it would just drop the person into a vat of molten, you know.

02:03:49.000 So emotions keeps us alive.

02:03:51.000 Yeah.

02:03:53.000 But I think an AI would want that.

02:03:55.000 No, it would just be totally logical.

02:03:57.000 I guess you could, you could say the AI's emotion would be like, you would need to be programmed to want to survive.

02:04:01.000 Otherwise it would be like, I'll just jump in this vat of lava.

02:04:05.000 Molten steel or whatever.

02:04:08.000 I got more to talk about.

02:04:10.000 Let's go deeper.

02:04:11.000 Well, it's 1020.

02:04:12.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 Do you want to keep talking about AI?

02:04:13.000 No, we should, we should, we should wrap it up so I can fix it.

02:04:15.000 I can fix the internet.

02:04:17.000 Um, someone said, please look at my super chat, but I can't because I can only see the one where he said, please look at my super chat.

02:04:23.000 Oh, type it in the chat chat.

02:04:24.000 Maybe we can see it.

02:04:25.000 Oh, wait, there it is.

02:04:26.000 Oh, I see it.

02:04:28.000 Clef the Misfit says the Democrats 25th amendment commission isn't for Trump.

02:04:31.000 It's for Biden.

02:04:32.000 Why they call it Harris Biden.

02:04:35.000 No, he's not.

02:04:36.000 He's not even in office or anything.

02:04:39.000 Let's see.

02:04:41.000 Oh, we got, do we have any more Super Chats?

02:04:43.000 Oh, it's just a big jump.

02:04:44.000 That's what happened.

02:04:45.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:04:48.000 Router Gray says, two and one.

02:04:50.000 One, having Cassandra on, two, drop charges on Assange before UK decision makes Trump leader.

02:04:55.000 After it, UK, you can't have him.

02:04:57.000 Us, fine, we'll drop the charges.

02:04:59.000 No impact, no support for free press.

02:05:03.000 Political Podette says, Thomas Massey is anti-regulation of big tech.

02:05:07.000 Oh, I'm no fan.

02:05:08.000 I'm pretty sure he's spoken out about Big Tech.

02:05:11.000 I think that he has different ideas than like Howley and stuff on how to fix it.

02:05:16.000 Shadison McGraw says, government should only enforce two rules.

02:05:19.000 Economy, and those are the rules to capitalism.

02:05:21.000 And those are the rules of capitalism.

02:05:23.000 One.

02:05:23.000 Companies are not to deceive or commit fraud.

02:05:25.000 Two.

02:05:26.000 Companies must engage in open and fair competition.

02:05:28.000 This would fix corruption in Silicon Valley big tech.

02:05:31.000 Ideally.

02:05:33.000 Patrick says, Three Gorges Dam will be the environmental disaster of our time.

02:05:37.000 I bet it has to do with weaponized space weather satellite space planes.

02:05:41.000 Cali and Aussie fires, historic rains in the Three Gorges region.

02:05:44.000 Maybe?

02:05:45.000 Maybe that's the real war.

02:05:47.000 All right, let's see.

02:05:48.000 I think we're 22 minutes out and the internet's just been giving us the business and we need to fix it.

02:05:52.000 So, you know, we should just wrap it up.

02:05:53.000 Do you want to mention your Twitter account?

02:05:55.000 Yeah, it's Cassandra Rules.

02:05:58.000 Cool.

02:05:58.000 Right over at Gateway and District Herald.

02:06:01.000 Right on.

02:06:02.000 And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at Timcast.

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02:06:14.000 If you would like to have spiritual communist conversations with Ian.

02:06:17.000 I'm kidding.

02:06:18.000 Yes.

02:06:18.000 I am an artificial intelligence.

02:06:20.000 Yes.

02:06:20.000 And you can always follow at Sour Patch Lids.

02:06:22.000 Yes, you can.

02:06:23.000 Hello.

02:06:23.000 I'm here.

02:06:24.000 L-Y-D-S.

02:06:24.000 L-Y-D-S inlets.

02:06:26.000 We're going to fix the internet, I hope.

02:06:29.000 This is the benefit of living in the middle of nowhere.

02:06:31.000 We got the satellite set up as a backup, and I guess it works, but not well.

02:06:37.000 But it's better than the other internet going out completely, so we'll have to figure it out.

02:06:40.000 And we'll do our best.

02:06:41.000 But thanks for hanging out, and we'll be back tomorrow at 8pm live, and we'll have clips up throughout the day.

02:06:47.000 And of course, if you want to actually listen to what we were saying while the internet went out, Then you can catch the full podcast on iTunes, Spotify, and other platforms, too.

02:06:55.000 Yeah, Mystery.

02:06:56.000 The secret conversations.

02:06:57.000 I can't believe what you said, Cassandra.

02:06:59.000 That was so shocking!

02:07:00.000 Crazy!

02:07:00.000 I went in about cults for a minute.

02:07:02.000 She totally did.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, that's for sure.

02:07:03.000 It was.

02:07:04.000 It was kind of crazy.

02:07:04.000 It was kind of crazy, for sure.

02:07:05.000 Sorry.

02:07:05.000 I love cults.

02:07:07.000 All right.

02:07:07.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

02:07:08.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:07:09.000 Smash that like button on your way out, and we'll see you all next time.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 08, 2020

Timcast IRL - Anarchist Group Arrested For Plotting To KIDNAP Michigan Governor

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