Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Antifa Storms Banks in Portland, Try To Break Into Federal Building w-Kim Iversen

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I have sitting in front of me the very...

00:00:24.000 Oh no, he pressed the button!

00:00:26.000 I'm sitting with the top of the org chart for the Timcast Media Organization.

00:00:30.000 He's changing our chat.

00:00:31.000 He's leaving.

00:00:32.000 Bucko.

00:00:33.000 His name is Bucko, and he's the boss.

00:00:35.000 He is, yes.

00:00:36.000 He's out.

00:00:37.000 He was hanging out for a little bit.

00:00:38.000 We gotta schedule it with him next time.

00:00:40.000 We're live.

00:00:41.000 We have to get an appointment.

00:00:42.000 Hey, yeah, you know, he's really hard to get a hold of.

00:00:44.000 He sleeps all day.

00:00:45.000 He does.

00:00:46.000 He's the epitome of capitalism.

00:00:47.000 I mean, he's the boss.

00:00:49.000 He does no work.

00:00:50.000 His eyes are half closed as he lazily sits there.

00:00:52.000 We break our backs every day and then he's the one who gets the rewards.

00:00:55.000 He doesn't gotta pay any bills.

00:00:56.000 He gets all his food and everything taken care of.

00:00:57.000 We clean up his poop.

00:00:58.000 Yeah, even to clean up his poop.

00:01:00.000 I hope you're all enjoying the show.

00:01:03.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:01:04.000 Welcome to TeamCast IRL.

00:01:06.000 If you haven't already, subscribe, smash the like button.

00:01:09.000 And we've got a bunch of stories, a lot having to do with Antifa riots, this autonomous zone in Minneapolis, the Chavin trial, and what's going on with some of the jurors.

00:01:18.000 Apparently today in the good old Pacific Northwest, Antifa was out and about trying to smash their way into banks. 0.99

00:01:23.000 There's like a photo of like a cop coming out, he's got a gun.

00:01:25.000 And so we're talking about a lot of this stuff and we'll get into what's going on.

00:01:28.000 We also have got Cuomo.

00:01:30.000 He's being referred his actions to the police.

00:01:33.000 The latest harassment claim against him is fairly serious, I suppose.

00:01:37.000 And we'll get into all the stuff.

00:01:39.000 There's some other cool stuff.

00:01:40.000 AOC and Matt Gaetz working together on marijuana legalization.

00:01:43.000 And then we've got some gun control laws, and we're talking about a lot of guns.

00:01:47.000 But today, we are hanging out with Kim Iverson.

00:01:49.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:01:51.000 Well, I'm Kim Iverson.

00:01:52.000 I'm a political YouTuber, right?

00:01:55.000 For now, while YouTube keeps me on.

00:01:58.000 And I would say I'm a progressive on the progressive left, but libertarian.

00:02:04.000 But like the Tulsi kind of progressive.

00:02:06.000 Right.

00:02:07.000 I was a big Tulsi supporter and more libertarian progressive, if there is a thing.

00:02:13.000 It's politically homeless, I guess.

00:02:16.000 I don't, yeah, I don't know if I am though.

00:02:18.000 I think there's enough of me.

00:02:20.000 Enough of you?

00:02:20.000 Yeah, so I don't feel like I'm that homeless.

00:02:22.000 I just think that we don't, I think we haven't figured out our address yet.

00:02:28.000 I should put it that way.

00:02:30.000 The numbers haven't been put on the house, but there's a house.

00:02:32.000 Well, I think, you know, you're critical of war and you criticize the Democrats and you criticize COVID lockdowns.

00:02:37.000 Right.

00:02:38.000 I was the only progressive, I think, actually.

00:02:40.000 That's what kind of differentiated me.

00:02:41.000 And then a lot of people started calling me far right or something.

00:02:44.000 Well, that basically means, yeah, of course, if you don't agree with the orthodoxy in the cathedral.

00:02:48.000 Maybe that's the easiest way to put it.

00:02:50.000 It doesn't matter what your political alignment is.

00:02:52.000 Are you with or against the cathedral?

00:02:54.000 What they call us, heretics?

00:02:56.000 Yeah.

00:02:56.000 Are you a heretic?

00:03:00.000 I'm definitely anti-establishment.

00:03:02.000 Yeah.

00:03:02.000 For sure.

00:03:03.000 Anti-elitist?

00:03:04.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:03:06.000 I mean, I guess it depends on what you mean by that.

00:03:08.000 Because some elites are also anti-establishment.

00:03:11.000 Yeah.

00:03:11.000 Like Trump's an elite, for sure.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, right.

00:03:13.000 But he's an outsider, you know, so it's like... Elon Musk.

00:03:16.000 He's pretty anti-establishment.

00:03:17.000 Yeah, I would say he's in that.

00:03:19.000 So I don't know if I'm anti-elite.

00:03:21.000 I'm not anti-rich people.

00:03:22.000 You know, I'm not anti-that.

00:03:24.000 But aren't progressives, you know, eat the rich, tax the rich?

00:03:28.000 Well, I would like to.

00:03:30.000 More taxes, I guess, for the rich, I suppose.

00:03:34.000 So I would say anti-establishment, for sure.

00:03:36.000 Anti-war.

00:03:37.000 Well, anti-needless war.

00:03:39.000 Not a dove.

00:03:41.000 Sometimes war is necessary, I suppose. 0.98

00:03:43.000 Sounds like you're just a reasonable person.

00:03:44.000 That's what I would say.

00:03:45.000 That's why I think that I'm not alone in my house.

00:03:48.000 I think we're all in a similar house, but it is like a lonely party.

00:03:52.000 And it's not because... I think most people probably agree with a lot of the things we would all say.

00:03:56.000 We disagree on a lot of things too, but the main agreement is that we can have the conversation.

00:04:00.000 But I think a lot of people are just scared and would prefer to just say, you know, tell me what to say.

00:04:03.000 I don't want to get kicked out.

00:04:05.000 So they're hanging out in the establishment house because they got all the big beers and all the big TV shows.

00:04:09.000 And there are a lot of people who will just... They won't deliver at our house because there's no address yet.

00:04:14.000 Exactly.

00:04:14.000 It's true.

00:04:15.000 See?

00:04:16.000 Frustrating.

00:04:18.000 We got Ian chillin'.

00:04:19.000 Everybody, what's up?

00:04:20.000 Ian Crosland in the house.

00:04:21.000 Going great, man.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, it's going pretty good.

00:04:23.000 Nice couple days.

00:04:24.000 We talked, Kim and I talked last night about, not tarot, but, you know, power cards, like Tim's an ace of spades.

00:04:29.000 Maybe we can get into it later.

00:04:31.000 Yeah, you're a six of spades.

00:04:32.000 I love that stuff.

00:04:33.000 Yeah, what is that?

00:04:34.000 He has an eight of diamonds.

00:04:35.000 That's a really cool card.

00:04:36.000 That's like the best card.

00:04:37.000 Ace of Spades.

00:04:38.000 You know that song by, what is it, Motorhead?

00:04:40.000 Yeah, I think.

00:04:41.000 Ace of Spades.

00:04:42.000 I mean, we could get into it.

00:04:43.000 I'll let you know everything you need to know about being an Ace of Spades.

00:04:46.000 My mom's an Ace of Spades. 1.00

00:04:47.000 Princess Diana was an Ace of Spades. 0.58

00:04:49.000 What?

00:04:50.000 When was her birthday?

00:04:50.000 Wait.

00:04:51.000 I don't know, but she was an ace of spades. 1.00

00:04:52.000 How does that make you an ace of spades?

00:04:53.000 Well, because the way it works is, so it's based on a deck of cards, but this is back before playing cards were playing cards.

00:04:59.000 This is actually the system that this was built on, was when playing cards are actually sort of like a bible to a certain group of people, and they think that it may be stemmed from people Somewhere in the Middle East, this system.

00:05:15.000 So, you know, you've got Chinese astrology, right, with what year you're born, and then you have Western astrology with, like, you're a Pisces, I'm an Aries, we're Aries, right, Leo here.

00:05:24.000 So, this one is some sort of Middle Eastern astrology, and they based it on a deck of cards, and basically each day has a different card.

00:05:34.000 And of course there's 52 cards and there's more than 52 days.

00:05:36.000 So some cards get reused, some cards don't.

00:05:39.000 So some cards, I believe there's as many as 13 days associated with one single card.

00:05:44.000 March 9th is Ace of Spades?

00:05:47.000 March 9th is Ace of Spades, so everybody born on March 9th is an Ace of Spades.

00:05:51.000 But then I think, then also I could tell you everybody born, I believe April, it would be April 11th, I think is also.

00:06:01.000 Maybe it's April 11th, or maybe it's April, no, April 7th.

00:06:04.000 Sorry, everybody born April 7th is also an Ace of Spades.

00:06:08.000 So it's like that.

00:06:08.000 Let's, let's, let's, I want to talk about this, but we'll start with the news stuff first.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, let's get that out of the way.

00:06:12.000 Before we get to the crazy stuff, and that's not what my show is about.

00:06:15.000 I don't want anybody to think it's right, dude.

00:06:17.000 I love it.

00:06:17.000 It's just a side hobby of what I like.

00:06:20.000 It's just something like that, but I am legit, okay?

00:06:23.000 Alright, I believe it.

00:06:24.000 Foreign policy expert, I mean, more or less.

00:06:26.000 That's your area of focus is foreign policy?

00:06:27.000 Right, mostly.

00:06:28.000 Well, until COVID, and then I got into the virus stuff, and I started talking about that stuff a lot.

00:06:32.000 But yeah, foreign policy was probably my biggest We're all big fans of Tulsi.

00:06:36.000 Tulsi Gabbard, friend of hers.

00:06:37.000 And that sort of, you know, was really in that lane a lot, criticizing foreign

00:06:43.000 policy, traveled around, you know, to kind of see some stuff for myself.

00:06:47.000 We're all big fans of Tulsi.

00:06:49.000 Yeah.

00:06:49.000 I love her.

00:06:50.000 Yeah.

00:06:50.000 Tulsi's great.

00:06:51.000 She's really great.

00:06:52.000 You know, we'll see what she's going to do. 0.98

00:06:54.000 Well, let's, let's, let's get into the politics.

00:06:56.000 Don't forget, we also got Sour Patch.

00:06:57.000 Let's smash in all the buttons. 0.59

00:06:58.000 I am here in the corner.

00:06:59.000 I am mashing buttons and keeping an eye on the cat.

00:07:01.000 He's running around, not happy to be here.

00:07:03.000 It's really nerve-wracking having the boss wander around over our shoulders.

00:07:06.000 I know, I feel really nervous.

00:07:06.000 He took his keys.

00:07:07.000 He's looking at us.

00:07:08.000 And we don't even know what his card is.

00:07:11.000 He was up here one time during the show and he started peeing in the corner.

00:07:13.000 It's true, he did.

00:07:13.000 Could you imagine your boss walking in?

00:07:15.000 I mean, it's his house.

00:07:16.000 The cat is not really our boss.

00:07:18.000 We're joking.

00:07:20.000 Like, this is what I think of this show.

00:07:21.000 That's right.

00:07:22.000 Good work, everyone.

00:07:23.000 My friends, before we get started, how about I actually pull up this website?

00:07:29.000 This one site?

00:07:30.000 The site you need to go to.

00:07:31.000 Go to Tim... Oh, wait, wait, wait.

00:07:32.000 Nope.

00:07:32.000 Oh, no.

00:07:35.000 It is the site.

00:07:36.000 You know what site it is.

00:07:38.000 It's giving me the business.

00:07:39.000 The site.

00:07:41.000 There we go.

00:07:41.000 All right.

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00:08:32.000 But let's talk about the first big story here.

00:08:35.000 We have this from the post-millennial.

00:08:36.000 Antifa storm into banks in Portland, try to break inside federal courthouse.

00:08:42.000 Just another day in Portland, the right capital of the United States.

00:08:45.000 And there's this photo of like an armed cop and there's a bunch of people in front.

00:08:49.000 Let's just read.

00:08:49.000 They say a dramatic scene unfolded in Portland this afternoon as Antifa and other left-wing activists tried to break into a Chase bank.

00:08:57.000 A lone security guard managed to hold off the mob with his pistol.

00:09:00.000 The post-millennial editor-at-large, Andy Ngo, posted footage from a left-wing mob and a bank security guard.

00:09:06.000 The source of Ngo's videos is an account titled 45th Parallel Absurdist Brigade, who documented the day's activities.

00:09:12.000 They seem to be sympathetic to the protest's cause, seeing as they got nostalgic when passing by the federal courthouse, where last summer Antifa hosted nightly sieges against authorities.

00:09:20.000 Today's demonstration was a gathering meant to protest against something called Line 3, which according to a piece last month from The Guardian, is an upcoming pipeline proposal to transfer nearly 1 million barrels of tar sands a day from Alberta, Canada to Superior, Wisconsin, a move that is facing pushback from activists over it being constructed through Native American lands, as well as concerns about the health of the water supply as a result.

00:09:43.000 The protesters went to Chase Bank because they're reportedly one of the funders of the Line 3 pipeline project.

00:09:47.000 The demonstrators made their way inside after a standoff.

00:09:50.000 After tagging the chase in a nearby Apple store with graffiti, the protest made its way to Wells Fargo for an encore performance.

00:09:56.000 It all came back around to the Hatfield Courthouse, where DHS and the Antifa crowd are in a standoff at the time of writing.

00:10:03.000 Federal officers are currently responding to protect the courthouse as the Antifa crowd starts up their routine property damage to the area.

00:10:10.000 Alright, there was a lot of stories.

00:10:11.000 We were like, what should we open with?

00:10:12.000 There's a lot going on.

00:10:13.000 You know, Cuomo's facing some kind of criminal charges.

00:10:16.000 But this one really, like, wrapped up a bunch of stories.

00:10:18.000 You got a pipeline from Canada.

00:10:20.000 You got Native American lands.

00:10:21.000 You've got Antifa rioting.

00:10:23.000 You've got the courthouse back in play.

00:10:24.000 And banks!

00:10:25.000 It's like a fruit punch medley of all of the things that they're upset about.

00:10:31.000 And I got to be honest, it kind of just doesn't make sense, you know?

00:10:35.000 So we've been kind of following these stories about what's been going on with Antifa over the past year or so.

00:10:39.000 And I'm interested, actually, to get your take, Kim, considering, you know, you view yourself as a progressive, you focus heavily on foreign policy, but also lockdown stuff, just like what you think about what's been going on and how you feel about these individuals.

00:10:50.000 Like, what do I think about how Antifa and everything that's been going on with the, like, Chaz Chop areas and all these other things going on?

00:10:58.000 I mean, I personally, the way I view it, in just kind of like an overview, kind of looking from the top down, sort of, you know, if I were an alien coming to Earth, it just looks like Everybody's becoming a little bit radicalized in the United States.

00:11:12.000 And I think it's a normal thing to become radicalized.

00:11:14.000 So as somebody who studies a lot of foreign policy, looking at groups like ISIS, Al Qaeda, right, terrorist organizations, how do people get recruited into those organizations, right?

00:11:25.000 They get recruited in because Their life isn't where they want their life to be.

00:11:30.000 They're not getting the resources that they need to live a good life.

00:11:33.000 They don't feel like they can have a life with a good family and have all the things and opportunity.

00:11:41.000 They're lacking opportunity.

00:11:43.000 So they join these extremist organizations.

00:11:45.000 And I think what we're seeing happen here in the United States is that same lack of opportunity that is happening on both sides of the aisle because it's just people in general not getting that opportunity are now looking for a place to kind of get their anger out.

00:12:01.000 And so we're seeing it manifest in a variety of ways.

00:12:03.000 And I think that some of the youth are really going after like the they're kind of going and creating these zones like the, you know, Chazz Chop or they're just I think they're just holding up finding some ideology to hold on to. 0.91

00:12:17.000 To be like, yeah, this is... Are they really mad about any of this stuff?

00:12:21.000 No, no, it's not that, and that's kind of my point.

00:12:24.000 My point is they're not mad about... They're just exerting their anger somewhere, anywhere, and they just find a group that they think kind of aligns with them on something, and they say, okay, this sounds good, and you're gonna help me get my opportunity back, because we're gonna take the country back, and it's that same exact mentality.

00:12:41.000 What are these Antifa people who are protesting in Minneapolis, right, setting up this new autonomous zone?

00:12:48.000 I understand you could argue they're mad about the George Floyd thing.

00:12:51.000 But when you see them actually go out, they went to a Chase Bank, because it's some way related.

00:12:56.000 That one Chase Bank has nothing to do with it.

00:12:58.000 I understand, I guess the brand is a symbol of what they oppose.

00:13:01.000 But I wonder, it seems like they just went out and said, we're going to get violent.

00:13:06.000 You know, we're going to, we're going to smash.

00:13:07.000 So they go to the courthouse, they go to different banks.

00:13:09.000 They went to Wells Fargo, I guess, because banks are bad.

00:13:11.000 They go smash windows at Starbucks. 0.63

00:13:14.000 I get that they're angry, but what are they angry about?

00:13:17.000 Like you mentioned that people get radicalized because they don't have the resources they need.

00:13:21.000 I mean, these people, I can certainly understand the COVID lockdowns.

00:13:24.000 But many of these people, I mean, regardless, you're still living in one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

00:13:28.000 Is it a lack of perspective?

00:13:29.000 Like, they've not seen how bad it really is in other countries, so they just assume they have it bad, and it's really just... I just don't think we can live the American Dream anymore.

00:13:37.000 Oh, I disagree with you on that.

00:13:38.000 And that's what I think the issue is.

00:13:39.000 I mean, you've been able to live the American Dream, and many of us have been able to, but not everybody can.

00:13:43.000 I mean, a lot of us are just riddled in student debt.

00:13:45.000 I have $35,000 of student loans that I've been paying on for 17 years.

00:13:49.000 I still owe $32,000 after 17 years.

00:13:51.000 Yeah, very similar for me.

00:13:53.000 And I definitely agree.

00:13:54.000 I'm for student loan forgiveness, for sure.

00:13:58.000 But I think it should be based on the principle of what you borrowed and you pay back.

00:14:02.000 Sure I mean there's a lot of nuances to it right but it's the overall you know and there's many ways we can go about doing things like student loan forgiveness because obviously we have to fix the system and not just hey we're gonna give everybody a check that's you know there's a lot but my point really is that there we're in a society right now that we were all told when we were children that we could have the two-car house Fence, minivan, stay-at-home spouse, potentially, to raise the kids.

00:14:28.000 Go on a vacation once a year to Grand Canyon, or Times Square, or Disney World, and that we could go, and then you have your starter home, and then you upgrade your house, and then you, you know, all of these basic things that are grandparents, the greatest generation, the great generation, what are they called?

00:14:42.000 The greatest generation?

00:14:43.000 Yeah, what they were able to have, we were all told we could have that.

00:14:47.000 And then something went wrong.

00:14:49.000 And suddenly, especially after 2008, boomers lost and many of them lost their retirement.

00:14:54.000 So a lot of them are now stuck in apartments and after losing their houses.

00:14:58.000 And then the millennials and Gen Xers and Gen Z are not able to then recreate what the greatest generation was able to create.

00:15:06.000 And we were told all as little children, we were going to be able to do this.

00:15:09.000 So that's the angst.

00:15:11.000 So some of us are able to go and maybe have money, make money, you know, do that.

00:15:16.000 But the problem is, is that it's not at the same level or scale that was able to do that before.

00:15:22.000 I think the problem is college.

00:15:24.000 I think college is the main problem.

00:15:25.000 And looking at Antifa, you know, I'll just give a shout out to this viral post from Reddit.

00:15:30.000 It was from r slash cringe.

00:15:33.000 So this is like a prominent subreddit.

00:15:34.000 It's like a very viral video.

00:15:36.000 And it's this young woman who looks, you know, typical kind of attractive. 0.81

00:15:41.000 She's doing the normal things, wearing makeup.

00:15:43.000 Her hair is, you know, looking good.

00:15:45.000 And then it's like first year of college and her head's shaved and it's like her hair is just like straggly and pink and she's like screaming and shrieking at the camera like, whoa, what happened to you?

00:15:56.000 They go to college and they enter these weird environments and it's like this person was angry and they didn't even graduate.

00:16:03.000 What happened where she's in high school and she's like your typical high school, uh, you know, girl, and then she joined, she goes to college and in her first year, she becomes this.

00:16:13.000 So like, I definitely see what you're saying.

00:16:14.000 I think we can, we can expand upon like angst and the denial of, of what we were promised and things like that.

00:16:20.000 But what's this thing?

00:16:22.000 Like you go to college one year and then all of a sudden they're Antifa and they're, they're dressing like crazy people.

00:16:26.000 I don't think that's most college experience.

00:16:28.000 I think that's very specific to like certain universities that take on that vibe like Berkeley is one or you know I don't know maybe Yale I guess I don't know I don't really pay much attention to that but you know when I went to college it was I went to UC I went to seven different schools to be honest with you and then I finally ended up at UC Davis was my final school And they're, you know, everybody's nose to the grindstone just working.

00:16:51.000 And everybody's, you know, that's all they're doing.

00:16:54.000 They're just studying.

00:16:55.000 So I do think that there is some of that radicalization that happens.

00:17:00.000 But I don't know if that's... And where that becomes a real problem is they dominate the conversation.

00:17:06.000 Right.

00:17:06.000 So what we're getting is this real woke-ism, you know, that everybody's a racist bigot now.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, you're double white. 0.97

00:17:14.000 I'm double white.

00:17:14.000 I'm double white, but you're more double white than I am.

00:17:17.000 I'm a little more Asian, so that makes me more.

00:17:20.000 More, yeah.

00:17:21.000 More white. 0.88

00:17:21.000 Right, more white. 0.88

00:17:22.000 Yeah, I'm not allowed to talk race topics, I've found.

00:17:26.000 Look, the people who are starving these banks and fighting at these federal courthouses, it's not the majority of people.

00:17:32.000 It is those who are getting radicalized.

00:17:34.000 Right.

00:17:34.000 Because there are certainly a lot of people like, look, you have student loan debt, you're upset about it, you're not going around smashing windows.

00:17:40.000 I might start!

00:17:41.000 Don't smash my windows.

00:17:43.000 Pay my loans off, Smash! 0.98

00:17:47.000 Apparently the stuff works.

00:17:49.000 You get violent, you freak people out, then they get on their knees and say, please stop, please don't hurt me.

00:17:52.000 I don't know if it does, because I mean, I think when the other side, you know, when there's, depends on who does it, right?

00:17:59.000 After January 6th, it seems like that's not exactly what happened.

00:18:02.000 Oh yeah.

00:18:03.000 I think it's fair to criticize to the extent that it was like the Capitol building during the joint session of Congress to count the electoral votes.

00:18:11.000 So that holds a lot of weight with why it was particularly egregious.

00:18:16.000 But I'm like, they've stormed, you know, the far left has stormed local state buildings, like Capitol buildings, local courthouses.

00:18:22.000 They've literally stormed the congressional buildings on more than one occasion.

00:18:25.000 They were trying, they're banging on the door and smashing it during the Kavanaugh hearing.

00:18:29.000 So it's like, I think it's worse to go after the average person.

00:18:33.000 Take your angst out on the right people.

00:18:34.000 At least these Antifa people, I'll give them credit, they didn't go after the mom-and-pop shops, they went after the actual institutions they're angry at.

00:18:40.000 No, they went after mom-and-pop shops.

00:18:41.000 On this one, this occasion that you're talking about?

00:18:43.000 Oh, this one, this one, this one, right, right, right.

00:18:44.000 They went to the banks.

00:18:45.000 Right, this one, finally, they went and did it to the right people.

00:18:48.000 You know, because before they were going into my neighborhood, I mean, they came to my house.

00:18:51.000 I mean, they came during the summer, we had armed invaders in our complex.

00:18:56.000 And we were all told to go into lockdown, not COVID lockdown, but an actual lockdown, we had helicopters swarming above.

00:19:03.000 And we had armed... Do you want to say what city you live in?

00:19:06.000 I live in LA.

00:19:07.000 Yeah.

00:19:07.000 Wow.

00:19:07.000 So people went into your complex or whatever?

00:19:09.000 Yeah, what happened was there was like a group of armed rioters, looters, or whatever, and they had looted a place, a business, and then they got in their getaway car and drove off, and the cops were chasing after them, and they drove into my complex, of all places, and they got out of their car, and they got into our building, and they were hiding in our building with guns.

00:19:29.000 It's a good thing you guys are armed and you have excellent gun laws.

00:19:32.000 Funny thing.

00:19:33.000 So I'm from Idaho and I've always been, even though I've always identified as a liberal and more of a Democrat, even though now not, but the one thing that I never really agreed with others on my side of the aisle were about guns.

00:19:44.000 I'm a big pro-Second Amendment person.

00:19:46.000 I'm from Idaho, you know, I don't know, maybe, I'm sure there's anti-Second Amendment people in Idaho, so I shouldn't generalize.

00:19:52.000 But after that, I will say everybody in my complex, I live in a very liberal area of LA as well, and everybody was very, always been anti-gun.

00:20:01.000 And after that, at the dog park, I'd go to the dog park with my dog and I'd overhear the conversations.

00:20:06.000 And people would say, you know, I never thought about owning a gun.

00:20:10.000 There it is.

00:20:10.000 And now I'm thinking about buying a gun.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, it really shakes you.

00:20:15.000 And I always tell people... Me too?

00:20:17.000 Yeah, I mean, look at what's happened in the cities.

00:20:19.000 I mean, we were locking down, people were coming to our house.

00:20:21.000 We had, my neighborhood was totally destroyed by the looters.

00:20:25.000 And they were, my uncle's businesses, I mean, my aunt's business got totally, she had to board it up, you know, and to, and immigrant, and by the way, refugee, You know, immigrants with businesses that have been able to work hard and have the American dream in a way and had to board up their businesses.

00:20:43.000 And now I don't know if there is.

00:20:46.000 There is a cultural practice among my people when these riots happen.

00:20:51.000 They get on top of the roofs of their stores.

00:20:54.000 And it's a weird thing to bring up, because I know there's like, you know, Count Dankula was like talking about roof Koreans for a long time.

00:21:01.000 And I'm like, I wonder if the woke people like are going to feign outrage over that, because like I think the LA riots had a lot of problems, and we can be critical of it, but like, am I allowed to joke about roof Koreans, you know, taking their guns and getting on the rooftops to defend their families and their businesses? 0.74

00:21:15.000 Or am I going to get in trouble? 0.78

00:21:16.000 Yeah, you're a racist now. 1.00

00:21:18.000 As long as you make the enemies... No, you're a racist, Tam! 1.00

00:21:21.000 As long as you make the enemies zombies, then yeah, maybe Koreans have better aim. 1.00

00:21:26.000 Is that racist? 0.99

00:21:27.000 It reminds me of that Rick and Morty, the first episode, where he's like, shoot them, Morty! 0.97

00:21:30.000 And he's like, I don't want to kill them. 0.98

00:21:31.000 He's like, they're robots! 0.95

00:21:32.000 And then he shoots one of them, and the guy's like, oh, my leg!

00:21:35.000 I meant figuratively. 0.93

00:21:37.000 They're bureaucrats, Morty.

00:21:38.000 They work for the government.

00:21:40.000 Yeah, that was funny.

00:21:41.000 I don't think we're allowed to make that joke.

00:21:42.000 I won't reckon Morty in it.

00:21:45.000 I remember when everything started getting crazy during COVID and the lines were out the door and it was like all of a sudden like run-of-the-mill liberals were trying to buy guns and the funniest thing about it was how many of them realized it wasn't easy.

00:21:57.000 Like, oh no, I can't buy this.

00:21:58.000 Especially in California.

00:21:59.000 Yeah.

00:22:00.000 I hear it's like nigh impossible to buy a gun in California.

00:22:04.000 What's the process?

00:22:06.000 I hadn't tried, because I knew I wasn't going to be able to do it, but I know that, for one, the stores, many of them were closed, or if they, I think you have to apply, but what many of us do is just, we consider going to, like, my home state of Idaho, or Nevada, and the process is a lot easier.

00:22:23.000 And then you're able to bring it back to California?

00:22:25.000 Oh sure, you just have to register the weapon once you get to California.

00:22:28.000 A lot of states do operate that like that. You know, if you already have it or if you bought it somewhere else legally,

00:22:32.000 then they don't care if you have it.

00:22:34.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 So it is weird. And, you know, in that capacity, there are a lot of people who are staunchly like absolute to a

00:22:40.000 absolutist.

00:22:41.000 And I have to say from like a legal perspective, I don't see a way around this argument.

00:22:45.000 Like, you know, we talk about Michael Malice too much.

00:22:48.000 Michael, we talk about you too much.

00:22:49.000 I need to look this guy up.

00:22:51.000 You guys have a real bromance going.

00:22:54.000 It's because he's a smart guy and he made a really good point.

00:22:57.000 He said that the Constitution says I have a right to keep and bear arms.

00:23:02.000 But every single cop in New York City would arrest me if I had a gun.

00:23:05.000 And I'm like, I mean the Constitution is the law of the land.

00:23:09.000 It says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

00:23:12.000 It doesn't say if you're mentally ill you can't have a weapon. 0.78

00:23:14.000 It doesn't say if you're a felon you can't have a weapon.

00:23:16.000 It literally is just verbatim, you can have a weapon.

00:23:18.000 Yeah, because it's the open carry, or it's the concealed carry or open carry laws, right?

00:23:23.000 So all of a sudden, now there's like, look, New Jersey, you can't.

00:23:27.000 You absolutely... Well, you can own the weapon.

00:23:29.000 But you can't go anywhere with it.

00:23:30.000 You can't bear it.

00:23:31.000 Well, that's right.

00:23:32.000 So that's the big question is what does bear mean?

00:23:34.000 Does it?

00:23:35.000 Yeah, but I and I would think that bearing arms I guess we'd have to look back at what did they mean by the word bearing, you know, bear arms back then.

00:23:44.000 It meant bear arms, like you can kill a bear.

00:23:46.000 It's like if you're bare naked that means you're it's obvious everyone can see it.

00:23:52.000 If you're bearing your teeth that means you're showing your teeth.

00:23:55.000 So bearing arms would be like open carry.

00:23:58.000 Well that's what we think today in 2021 with that word but I'd be curious to think what to know what their definition of it was in 17 You can look at a lot of the quotes from the Founding Fathers and like the Federalist Papers and things like that, and they're pretty much like, everybody should have guns all the time.

00:24:13.000 People had people in artillery.

00:24:13.000 Right.

00:24:15.000 You know, they had private artillery at their homes.

00:24:17.000 There's like a funny meme about some, you know, a lot of people on the left like to say that the Founding Fathers didn't expect someone to have a semi-automatic, you know, whatever, AR-15 assault weapon or something, which assault weapon is meaningless, by the way.

00:24:29.000 But, uh, and then there's this funny meme where it's like, someone breaks into a guy's house and he pulls out his musket and fires.

00:24:35.000 It goes across the street and hits a dog, ripping a hole in it because it's smoothbore.

00:24:39.000 He runs upstairs and screams, Tally-ho, lads, and then fires two massive artillery cannons.

00:24:43.000 Like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:24:45.000 People, like, this... Back in the day, they had private warships.

00:24:50.000 Like, you could literally own your own battleship.

00:24:52.000 You couldn't own a cannon.

00:24:53.000 You couldn't own a Canon?

00:24:54.000 No, you couldn't own a Canon.

00:24:55.000 They actually had some, believe it or not, and I've researched this extensively because

00:25:00.000 I was always a real 2A extreme.

00:25:02.000 I would say I was an extremist back.

00:25:05.000 And I maybe just barely converted out of the extremism.

00:25:09.000 But I used to say if the government can own it, I want to be able to own it.

00:25:14.000 But then I realized I wouldn't be able to own all the weapons the government has because I don't have enough money.

00:25:19.000 And do I really want the people who are really rich to have the ability?

00:25:22.000 Right.

00:25:23.000 And then I said, OK, maybe I'm not so extreme after all, because I don't know if I want the rich.

00:25:27.000 Real class warfare there. 0.99

00:25:28.000 I don't want them to own the nuke.

00:25:28.000 Right.

00:25:30.000 Right.

00:25:31.000 Right.

00:25:31.000 Which they would.

00:25:32.000 And Bill Gates or whoever.

00:25:34.000 And then the rest of us can't.

00:25:36.000 So it prevents mercenary warfare in a lot of ways.

00:25:36.000 Right.

00:25:39.000 Government oversight.

00:25:40.000 Crazy as it is.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, so, you know, now I'm less extreme, but... You can own a cannon today.

00:25:46.000 No, you can't.

00:25:47.000 What kind of a cannon?

00:25:49.000 Maybe what's the definition of a cannon?

00:25:51.000 Yeah, it depends.

00:25:52.000 But back then you couldn't have, like, an actual cannon.

00:25:55.000 Just like they banned fully automatic rifles after the Valentine's Day massacres.

00:26:03.000 When was that?

00:26:03.000 Other than Valentine's Day?

00:26:05.000 20s.

00:26:05.000 Oh.

00:26:06.000 Actually on Valentine's Day.

00:26:07.000 It was yeah, I think it was it was a mob hit went in and killed like 14 or 15.

00:26:12.000 I'm thinking maybe because we don't live on the frontier anymore.

00:26:17.000 We don't need the full open bearing arms mentality.

00:26:22.000 I don't think the canon thing is accurate.

00:26:24.000 I mean, I did look it up and there are people saying you could not, but privateers and corsairs existed.

00:26:30.000 Maybe if it was like a well-regulated militia could have a canon? 0.99

00:26:34.000 No, but a privateer was like, it literally means private shit. 1.00

00:26:37.000 It's like privateer. 1.00

00:26:38.000 Pirate, yeah.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, they're not necessarily pirates, but they were responsible for a lot of the piracy because what would happen is with the English crown, for instance, they would issue letters of mark to a private warship.

00:26:51.000 Or a private ship that had military capabilities.

00:26:54.000 And then the letter of Mark was basically like, if you screw with our enemies, then you're all good.

00:27:00.000 And then what would happen is France would be like, they would go to Britain and be like, your citizens are pirates and you're signing letters of Mark. 0.86

00:27:09.000 And then the Crown would be like, oh, heavens, they're criminals.

00:27:12.000 We had nothing to do with this.

00:27:14.000 So it was like mercenary warfare, essentially, but people had them.

00:27:18.000 Well, maybe there's only specific cases you could have the cannon.

00:27:21.000 Like if you had a ship.

00:27:22.000 Maybe.

00:27:23.000 But you couldn't have one in your backyard or on your farm.

00:27:23.000 That was it.

00:27:26.000 I know today that Luke recently sent me an artillery Gatling gun of some sort.

00:27:34.000 It's got two wheels and it's this massive thing.

00:27:37.000 He sent you a Tommy gun?

00:27:38.000 You're not allowed to have that.

00:27:40.000 Not full auto, but you can have a Tommy gun, yeah.

00:27:43.000 But Gatling guns are legal.

00:27:45.000 gun's totally legal so each crank is a trigger pull so you're allowed to go

00:27:45.000 Why not?

00:27:48.000 and so he's like showing me this like rotating nine millimeter or whatever with these huge

00:27:53.000 magazines he's like I think you should get this and I'm like bro I don't think I need

00:27:57.000 I don't think I need that. Why not? You never know. Stephen Crowder did like a big thing about

00:28:04.000 this about what the founding fathers thought and expected when it came to weapons and what

00:28:07.000 were available at the time and I guess a lot of a lot of people you know these liberals who

00:28:11.000 interestingly now are the ones who are very much so buying all these weapons that there were very

00:28:17.000 serious technological advancements in terms of uh Firearms back in the day.

00:28:22.000 They just weren't common.

00:28:24.000 So while people were using like flintlock pistols and muskets and stuff there were there I think there was one like he showed where it's got like 16 barrels and they were each loaded and you could like fire them all rapid succession and those were legal and allowed It's just people it was easier and cheaper to have the standard, you know single shot or whatever so I guess I guess it is an interesting argument about what they actually thought but As far as I can tell, you know, maybe by today's standards the Founding Fathers would look and be like, oh heavens!

00:28:51.000 People have, like, GATLING GUNS!

00:28:53.000 Why didn't they change this yet?

00:28:54.000 But hold on.

00:28:56.000 That would apply to everything else, too.

00:28:58.000 Like, okay, well then you don't have free speech on social media.

00:29:01.000 You're not allowed to use telephones.

00:29:03.000 Because, like, the idea that you aren't allowed to have your First Amendment rights, your right to worship, because technology changed, you know, well beyond what they expected to happen.

00:29:11.000 Communications over the internet is not guaranteed.

00:29:14.000 And I guess they're arguing that, to a certain extent.

00:29:17.000 But no, like, technology changes, but our rights change with them.

00:29:20.000 So a better example is probably the Fourth Amendment.

00:29:22.000 Metadata.

00:29:23.000 If you have private information you do not expect people to see, then it is a violation of your rights to illegally search or seize your private information.

00:29:34.000 There was no such thing as metadata back then.

00:29:36.000 But we still, I think, for the most part, agree the NSA is bad.

00:29:40.000 You know, spying on us and stealing our data is a violation of our right to be free from this intrusion.

00:29:46.000 And so when it comes down to the Constitution, I actually think there are some things that we don't want even the state to use against its people or the people to have because weapons are becoming extremely powerful, particularly directed energy weapons.

00:30:00.000 Cat's out of the bag, though.

00:30:01.000 There's two big points.

00:30:02.000 The Constitution is there.

00:30:04.000 And just because I might not agree with it, I don't feel like I have the right to take it.

00:30:08.000 You do.

00:30:08.000 You have the right to amend it.

00:30:09.000 I have the right to express my opinion like I'm doing now, but I don't believe that these politicians who are passing these laws have a right to do that unless they amend the Constitution.

00:30:18.000 So by all means, we can have a conversation, but if you don't get that two-thirds majority, then it should not be done.

00:30:22.000 The question is, should we amend it?

00:30:23.000 At this point, it doesn't matter.

00:30:25.000 What do you mean?

00:30:25.000 3D-printed guns.

00:30:27.000 Like there's no stopping it.

00:30:28.000 But should we have the right to bear arms?

00:30:30.000 Yes.

00:30:30.000 Should everyone have the explicit right to walk around with an open carry weapon?

00:30:34.000 Yep.

00:30:35.000 Even in a city where you're packed together and it's like 20-30 people sitting on a bus and everyone's got a handgun?

00:30:41.000 Yep.

00:30:42.000 Very polite.

00:30:42.000 Maybe not a handgun.

00:30:43.000 Oh yeah, I think so.

00:30:44.000 You think so?

00:30:45.000 Everything.

00:30:45.000 Anything.

00:30:46.000 Really?

00:30:48.000 What about if a little kid had one?

00:30:50.000 What about if a kid reached over and grabbed your gun or something?

00:30:52.000 No, that's theft.

00:30:54.000 But it was a kid.

00:30:54.000 It didn't know any better.

00:30:55.000 What would you do?

00:30:56.000 What if someone's four-year-old reached over and tried to grab your gun?

00:30:59.000 Then take better care of your gun and make sure your holster just reached over and grabbed your holster. Yeah, make sure

00:31:04.000 What would you do? Would you shoot kid? Like what do you know? Wait, wait, wait, wait 0.99

00:31:07.000 What would some crazy person you would get away from my gun arm? 1.00

00:31:10.000 It's a four-year-old and you just like an 11 year old that you grab 0.84

00:31:14.000 Are you can't overpower to 11 year old Ian?

00:31:16.000 Let me get to the point. I'm just saying Why you don't dangle listen candy

00:31:22.000 I'm not saying I like the idea, I'm saying so long as the Constitution says you have the right to keep and bear arms, I can't tell someone they can't do it.

00:31:30.000 I know, but should we change the Constitution is my question.

00:31:33.000 Like, do you think there should be training for guns?

00:31:35.000 You know, this is like one maybe a lot of saying, OK, you can.

00:31:39.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:31:40.000 You can.

00:31:41.000 But what about if we said, OK, you can bear it publicly as long as you've passed training courses?

00:31:48.000 I don't like that idea.

00:31:50.000 Why not?

00:31:51.000 I guess the challenge is, so long as the Constitution has it verbatim in there, I feel like it would be an authoritarian violation of other people's rights to supersede the supreme law of this land.

00:32:02.000 That includes all of the amendments as well.

00:32:04.000 Like 5th Amendment, 4th Amendment, 3rd. 1.00

00:32:06.000 I don't think we have to worry about the 3rd Amendment because troops aren't going to be coming to our houses, but, you know, whatever.

00:32:10.000 You don't know that.

00:32:11.000 I mean, look what they're doing.

00:32:12.000 I know, for real.

00:32:12.000 3rd Amendment might become important.

00:32:15.000 I used to actually think more along the lines of, there's probably reasonable restrictions we can put in place.

00:32:21.000 And, you know, much like the First Amendment, I think there are some reasonable interpretations.

00:32:26.000 Don't commit a crime.

00:32:27.000 So with the First Amendment, we have a right to free speech, freedom of assembly, religion, the press, and a regis of grievances.

00:32:33.000 And those are all fairly straightforward, and we know what they can do and what we can do.

00:32:37.000 And if someone commits a crime by instructing or inciting violence, that is not protected.

00:32:43.000 In fact, it says, peaceably assemble.

00:32:45.000 And so that I understand.

00:32:46.000 That's not, in my opinion, a restriction on the First Amendment, which says speech and reason and peaceably assemble if you are committing a crime.

00:32:53.000 There is a challenge because crimes can, laws can be changed and other things can become crimes.

00:32:58.000 They can say, okay, if you, one of the arguments we have to be careful of, and this is why I'm still very much more absolute on free speech issues, not completely though, is they'll say, alright, if committing a crime is the

00:33:09.000 threshold by which you don't have the right to say something, like telling someone to go commit

00:33:14.000 harm or murder somebody, then what if they pass a law saying hate speech is a crime, and

00:33:19.000 now they can say, okay, well now that offending someone is a crime, you can't cross the

00:33:22.000 threshold of committing a So it's very difficult.

00:33:26.000 And that's why the Constitution exists for an important reason.

00:33:29.000 The Founding Fathers were very concerned about tyranny.

00:33:31.000 More so, the Bill of Rights was the anti-federalists who were concerned that centralization of federal authority would cause another situation like they had with the Crown.

00:33:40.000 So we got these guaranteed rights.

00:33:41.000 If you want them to change, we have an amendment process for this.

00:33:44.000 So as much as I might be like, in Chicago, we got gun problems.

00:33:48.000 In New York, You know, when we were talking with Luke about this, it was interesting because I said, bro, if you're in a cubicle apartment stacked on top of a bunch of concrete shoe boxes smelling like sour milk, and someone breaks in, and you've got, you know, like a .308 rifle, you're gonna go through the walls.

00:34:03.000 You might hit somebody.

00:34:04.000 That's really bad.

00:34:05.000 And Luke's instinctive reaction was, maybe we ban, you know, maybe we don't allow certain calibers.

00:34:09.000 I was like, oh, there it is!

00:34:11.000 It's exactly the logic people use, and I totally understand it.

00:34:15.000 If you're in New York, and someone tries robbing you, and you pull out your gun, you can cause a lot of collateral damage.

00:34:21.000 Because you'll probably miss.

00:34:23.000 People don't realize, even people who are good at shooting might be in an intense situation, they panic, they miss, they hit something, they hit somebody else.

00:34:30.000 So naturally, people in big cities say, we want gun control laws.

00:34:33.000 My problem is, okay, but you need to amend the Constitution.

00:34:37.000 We can't just say the Constitution is meaningless because either it matters or it doesn't and I do not believe that I have the authority or any politician does to be like Constitution doesn't matter.

00:34:47.000 I guess that's why we don't why the Constitution says anyone can do it and then it's like a state by state or locality by locality thing because you don't want to ban the open right to carry in, you know, rural Idaho when, just because the New York City is too close, people are too close together.

00:35:02.000 Yeah, but we don't do that with free speech. 0.85

00:35:04.000 We don't say, well, it's based on which city you live in.

00:35:06.000 So, you know, you should have the right to say what you want to say if you're in rural Idaho, but not if you're in New York City.

00:35:12.000 I mean, we, you know, so on that point, we don't have it municipality by municipality.

00:35:17.000 We do it, you know, it's a blanket free speech.

00:35:20.000 Maybe the issue is just, listen, you're responsible for whatever comes at the end of that barrel.

00:35:24.000 And if you live in New York, and you own a gun, and you have it on you, and you use it, and whatever it hits, you're responsible for.

00:35:29.000 The same is true for anywhere you live.

00:35:30.000 Yeah, but if I'm dead, I'm not gonna care how responsible you were held to whatever it was, right?

00:35:36.000 Like, at that point, I'm already... I've already been victimized, or I've already had to...

00:35:42.000 Take the bullet, literally.

00:35:44.000 And you maybe get punished, but what does that do to help me?

00:35:48.000 And I think that's why, you know, they make these laws because they're trying to prevent from me ever having that situation.

00:35:54.000 It's not about you won't get punished.

00:35:56.000 It's about I won't be victimized.

00:35:58.000 It's an ethical conundrum, to say the least.

00:36:01.000 And man, we just really love, really love making sure everybody knows who Michael Malice is.

00:36:06.000 I hope you talk about me as well, you know, as much as you talk about him when I'm gone.

00:36:11.000 He's just got these really good points, and I need it.

00:36:14.000 His beautiful eyes.

00:36:16.000 I'm going to be listening every day, and if I don't hear my name at least three times a show... My rights are not up to a vote.

00:36:24.000 And I'm like, man, he's got... But they are, aren't they?

00:36:26.000 You can vote to amend the Constitution and change people's rights.

00:36:29.000 So the issue is, yes, but I think the simple way to look at it is, so long as the Constitution guarantees your right to bear arms, to keep them, then it needs to be all the states coming together and changing that, and not some Rep Kinzinger in Illinois being like, I think we should have expanded background checks banning the private sale of firearms.

00:36:49.000 So do you agree with banning Absolutely not.

00:36:52.000 They paid their debt to society.

00:36:53.000 weapons from those who've committed... Absolutely not. So even those who've

00:36:58.000 committed violent crime with weapons and then they get out of jail... They pay the

00:37:03.000 debt to society. And so you think they should be allowed to own a weapon again?

00:37:07.000 Yes. Even those who committed violent crime with a gun?

00:37:11.000 Well, maybe.

00:37:11.000 They're out of jail.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:37:13.000 All of them, including, wow.

00:37:14.000 I don't know, I haven't thought about that.

00:37:16.000 vote. I agree. I agree that they should get all of their rights reinstated upon completion.

00:37:21.000 All of them, including, wow. The right to bear arms. I don't know, I hadn't thought about that.

00:37:24.000 I mean, I definitely think felons who've paid their price and have come out should have the

00:37:28.000 right restored to vote and bear arms. And travel, everything. Yeah, everything, except I don't know

00:37:34.000 about whether or not, you know, domestic violence, you know, especially guys that have committed

00:37:38.000 acts of domestic violence, they go in, they come out, and they serve very little time.

00:37:43.000 And then, you know, so not everybody does pay what I would consider a reasonable debt to society.

00:37:49.000 It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

00:37:53.000 I will take the liberty-based view that we must protect the rights of the individual and those who have done right by our system and our rules over fear that there may be a risk.

00:38:05.000 Like, uh, we mentioned this the other day, I think it was Otto von Bismarck or whatever who said it is better that ten innocent people suffer than one guilty person escape.

00:38:13.000 Somebody who's suicidal.

00:38:14.000 What do you think?

00:38:16.000 Should they have the right to bear arms?

00:38:17.000 Yes.

00:38:19.000 Even if you know... I'm in favor of assisted suicide.

00:38:22.000 Yeah, but this is different than assisted suicide.

00:38:24.000 This is somebody who's, you know, down.

00:38:27.000 They're feeling very down.

00:38:28.000 They're not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, right?

00:38:31.000 They're feeling... And this is something that could be corrected, fixed, but not if they have a shotgun.

00:38:37.000 Not if they have a butter knife.

00:38:39.000 But I agree with you on physician-assisted suicide, for sure that has to happen.

00:38:43.000 You see the Dark Knight?

00:38:45.000 You know, the old Batman movie?

00:38:46.000 Yeah.

00:38:47.000 Joker made a pencil disappear.

00:38:49.000 No.

00:38:49.000 You know that scene?

00:38:50.000 It's a very brutal scene where he goes into the mobsters and they're like, what do you want?

00:38:54.000 He's like, I'm going to show you something.

00:38:55.000 I'm going to do a magic trick.

00:38:56.000 And he slams the pencil.

00:38:57.000 I'm going to make it disappear. 0.74

00:38:58.000 And then he slams the guy's head into it.

00:39:00.000 The pencil's gone.

00:39:01.000 The reason I bring that up is like, if somebody is determined to cause themselves harm and end their life, what they need is help.

00:39:09.000 And one of the reasons I'm in favor of assisted suicide is not because I'm like, yes, someone should just help them die.

00:39:13.000 It's because they'll talk to somebody first.

00:39:15.000 They'll go through a process to make sure it's actually something that should happen.

00:39:19.000 And oftentimes a lot of people might have a chronic disease or like cluster headaches where their life is just pure psychotic misery and agony and they're desperate and nothing will relieve their pain.

00:39:28.000 Oftentimes they're going through a period of depression and it'll help them go through therapy as opposed to taking action on their own.

00:39:35.000 The gun argument for suicide overlooks the fact that people will get drunk and then sink into a bathtub, or they'll take pills and then sink into a bathtub, drop a toaster in the bathtub, and a bunch of other really awful things.

00:39:47.000 Well, I don't know.

00:39:48.000 I think, you know, for a lot of people, they maybe want to end their life, but they want to do it quick and easy and they can't fathom doing it in some, you know, drawn out way that's going to cause a lot more pain or harm.

00:39:59.000 They want something quick.

00:40:00.000 It tends to be guys.

00:40:03.000 And it is the number one, you know, when people talk about all the gun violence, right, whenever they're mentioning all the gun violence, all these things, it's mostly suicide.

00:40:03.000 Right, it does.

00:40:11.000 That's true.

00:40:12.000 And so that's so maybe there should be some sort of provision where it is like a seven year, you know, that's what California does.

00:40:18.000 Seven years.

00:40:19.000 You can't own a weapon after.

00:40:20.000 If you've ever been suicidal or an attempt.

00:40:23.000 Right, for seven years.

00:40:24.000 I think that's way too long.

00:40:26.000 Way too long.

00:40:27.000 Yeah, it might be long.

00:40:28.000 Yeah, that might be a bit long.

00:40:29.000 Prison's intense, though.

00:40:30.000 The way our prison structure is, is it makes people radicalize.

00:40:33.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:40:34.000 For the most part.

00:40:36.000 So a violent gun offender goes in there, comes out, there's a good chance that he or she is crazier than they were when they went in.

00:40:42.000 The main issue with the suicide thing is, I'll put it this way, I would absolutely love it if there was a way to reasonably have someone who was suicidal not have access to a gun or something they could use to end their life.

00:40:53.000 One of the reasons I'm in favor of assisted suicide is that we want to encourage as many people to go to a doctor and for therapy to talk about why they feel this way and determine if it actually is something they need.

00:41:04.000 Oh, so you mean you're for physician-assisted suicide even if the person's healthy and they want to end their life?

00:41:10.000 No, no, no, no.

00:41:11.000 I'm saying it would encourage people who are suicidal to go to a doctor, and then the doctor would be like, no.

00:41:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:16.000 I don't know if, I mean, if they, unless they were led to believe that that was an option, like if I can go to my doctor and I could tell him I'm suicidal and I don't want to do this anymore, help me.

00:41:25.000 Yeah.

00:41:26.000 Yeah, but that's different than like... Well, so there would be criteria, but I do believe there are a lot of people who would be like, my life sucks, I'm miserable, and I think I might qualify, they'll go to a doctor.

00:41:35.000 Whatever we can do... They'd have to be crazy and suicidal, I think.

00:41:38.000 I think it may not be a perfect solution, but whatever we can do to encourage people who are suffering to go to a doctor in any capacity.

00:41:45.000 Right, right.

00:41:46.000 So I would love it if we could be like, okay, let's take... But they can't if they're dead, because they've shot themselves, because we let them have a gun.

00:41:52.000 Then how do you take away their gun before they were suicidal?

00:41:55.000 Before you knew they were suicidal?

00:41:56.000 Well, you didn't, right?

00:41:57.000 So they had the option at that point, and so it's definitely not going to cure the problem.

00:42:02.000 How do you know they're suicidal?

00:42:03.000 Well, because people usually reach out at some point prior to that point.

00:42:06.000 I mean, most people don't.

00:42:08.000 Really want to end their life.

00:42:09.000 And so they go through a process of reaching out before they get to that point.

00:42:12.000 So people around them know, and then they can say, we're going to take the weapon.

00:42:15.000 You're talking just if they've attempted suicide.

00:42:17.000 No, or they've reached out and said, I'm not, you know, because they go through a process prior to even hitting that point.

00:42:23.000 There was a, there was a story.

00:42:24.000 I think this was in Maryland.

00:42:25.000 Might've been Baltimore area.

00:42:25.000 I'm not sure.

00:42:27.000 Where there was a guy, he was in his 60s, and I could be getting some of the details wrong, but the gist of it was someone in his life, an ex or a family member, was feuding with him, told the police that he was unstable and unwell and armed, and so they served a red flag warrant.

00:42:42.000 The police showed up to his house and he had no idea why they were there.

00:42:45.000 They knock on the door, and he answers the door and he's got his gun.

00:42:48.000 Which he's legally allowed to do.

00:42:50.000 And they said, we're taking your gun.

00:42:52.000 And he doesn't know why. 0.99

00:42:54.000 And he said, the hell you are. 1.00

00:42:56.000 And he fought with them and they shot and killed him. 0.97

00:42:59.000 The problem with trying to seize someone's weapons because we think they might be suicidal is that we create conflicts where someone with a gun is now going to be engaging with police.

00:43:09.000 We don't want the conflict.

00:43:10.000 So, it is tough.

00:43:11.000 I'm not saying, like, you know, if there's someone who's, like, deranged and mentally unwell and they've got a gun, like, we definitely want to prevent them from going on, you know, a killing spree or doing something really atrocious with that weapon.

00:43:24.000 And figuring out the right way to go about doing that is difficult because red flag laws end up creating very dangerous circumstances and may actually end up backfiring like they did in this circumstance and there's apparently a bunch of other stories that are similar to it.

00:43:34.000 This actually happened in Colorado.

00:43:36.000 This happened to someone that I'm tertiarily connected to.

00:43:40.000 He was a lawyer.

00:43:41.000 He knew his rights.

00:43:42.000 He was former military.

00:43:43.000 He was armed.

00:43:44.000 They served a red flag on him and it ended in his death because he barricaded himself in there and there was no getting him out without I mean, you gotta think about this too, if like, these people really are unstable.

00:43:57.000 Then you're going to send in police to be like, now give us your guns when they're already unstable?

00:44:00.000 Right, then that's going to be a great way for them to commit suicide right then and there.

00:44:04.000 There is logic here, especially. 0.93

00:44:06.000 There is logic here. 0.96

00:44:08.000 We want to make sure these crazy psychopaths don't have access to these weapons. 0.68

00:44:11.000 And they can't do these things, but I don't know how you do that. 0.70

00:44:13.000 I really, really don't.

00:44:14.000 Criminals get guns, and there are easy ways to get guns, no matter what we do. 0.99

00:44:18.000 When they ban things, people just find a way, and more importantly, 3D-printed guns.

00:44:22.000 You can get a 3D printer for a couple hundred bucks.

00:44:25.000 And you can easily print, like, what was the one we've been talking about right now?

00:44:28.000 The first one?

00:44:29.000 The ghost gun?

00:44:30.000 That first one?

00:44:31.000 No, no, the first one.

00:44:32.000 The liberator?

00:44:33.000 Did you only get one shot with those?

00:44:33.000 The liberator.

00:44:34.000 Yeah, the original ones.

00:44:36.000 A couple, about one, but they've improved it.

00:44:37.000 And now apparently there's some, like, better designs that can withstand and actually get a few rounds.

00:44:43.000 You could easily 3D print something no one... FGC.

00:44:46.000 No, not until they... FGC, F Gun Control.

00:44:48.000 They're gonna change the tech on the printers to prevent them from being able to print a gun.

00:44:54.000 And the way they do that is by trying to hide the information or make the information illegal.

00:44:58.000 It won't work.

00:44:59.000 Which is why the social networking censoring thing is so desperate.

00:45:04.000 I mean, the CAD files are on the dark web.

00:45:04.000 You can't do it.

00:45:06.000 It's unstoppable.

00:45:07.000 Absolutely not.

00:45:07.000 Not even just about the information.

00:45:08.000 They might be able to put back doors in the machines, but you can build your own 3D printers too.

00:45:13.000 I don't know.

00:45:13.000 I doubt that anyone could ever have total control.

00:45:16.000 Every time a new iPhone update comes out, some 17-year-old kid figures out how to break Apple security, and then you can install whatever you want.

00:45:24.000 So I think, more importantly, my ideal version of a world is people have a reasonable armament.

00:45:32.000 People who are mentally ill or suicidal aren't armed.

00:45:36.000 We have restrictions to make sure that the people who have weapons are intelligent, well-trained, well-informed.

00:45:42.000 The first problem I encounter is the Constitution.

00:45:45.000 It doesn't say what the qualifications are, it just says that people have a right to do it, and we need to have an amendment if we want that to be considered.

00:45:51.000 And then beyond that is, how do you actually implement any of these controls without actually just infringing on the rights of those who are intelligent, well-meaning, lawful citizens?

00:46:00.000 Because I grew up in Chicago where guns were, like, they're basically illegal.

00:46:03.000 And every criminal has one!

00:46:05.000 Like, I was a high school fight.

00:46:07.000 I was 14.

00:46:08.000 A couple blocks from my house.

00:46:10.000 And some 15-year-old kid had a gun.

00:46:13.000 They can just get it so easily.

00:46:15.000 And so all that really ends up happening is that no one anywhere nearby had any means of protecting themselves from this person who had a gun.

00:46:21.000 And so you get a lot of murders on the South Side, and there's nothing anyone can do because they're not legally allowed to defend themselves when they see it.

00:46:27.000 Maybe it wouldn't be a perfect world having a very dense population and everyone being armed because people might panic and you get a lot more shootings.

00:46:33.000 But what's the alternative?

00:46:34.000 I don't know what that world would look like.

00:46:36.000 I do know the world we have now is in Chicago.

00:46:39.000 There was a friend of a friend of mine.

00:46:42.000 He wasn't someone I knew, but it was someone my friends were friends with.

00:46:45.000 Took two in the chest because he was sitting in front of the wrong house in his car and that was it.

00:46:49.000 Someone walked out and had a gun and they couldn't do anything and he went pop pop.

00:46:55.000 Well, I definitely think and kind of back to one of my original points is that we can curb gun violence by creating a happy population.

00:47:03.000 And when people feel like they're happy, and they have opportunity, and they've got a good life in front of them, they don't turn to violence and crime.

00:47:10.000 We know this.

00:47:11.000 This is why we're seeing an uptick, a major uptick right now in violent crime.

00:47:15.000 Murders, I think, are up 30% in the entire country.

00:47:18.000 Over 30, maybe 38% I think was the last stat I read.

00:47:22.000 And that is because, you know, people without jobs, people without opportunity, people struggling.

00:47:26.000 And the police have been defunded in many of these cities.

00:47:29.000 Yeah, on top of it.

00:47:30.000 So I think, but even if they weren't, I think we'd still see the uptick because people are feeling more desperate.

00:47:36.000 And we are all animals at our core.

00:47:39.000 I don't think any of us are better than anybody.

00:47:41.000 We all can revert to that animalistic side of us.

00:47:44.000 And so I think that if we want to curb gun violence, probably one of the better measures because you look at a country like Switzerland, where everybody's got a gun.

00:47:54.000 And they have very little gun violence.

00:47:55.000 But they're all very happy.

00:47:57.000 And they're all cared for.

00:47:58.000 They are a happy population.

00:48:00.000 They don't feel like they have to resort to any of that.

00:48:02.000 I think the main issue is... I'm going to avoid using the principle buzzword because I know it'll trigger the left.

00:48:08.000 But I'll just say we have disparate cultures in this country.

00:48:12.000 And that means... Actually, let me... I didn't get triggered only because I don't know what that means.

00:48:17.000 Disparate.

00:48:19.000 Yeah.

00:48:20.000 Don't use fancy words with me, Tim.

00:48:22.000 So what does multiculturalism mean to you?

00:48:26.000 Multiculturalism? 0.96

00:48:27.000 Multiple cultures.

00:48:28.000 And so American culture, how would you define American culture?

00:48:33.000 Multicultural.

00:48:34.000 Well, I mean, that seems to be, I guess, kind of circular logic or paradoxical.

00:48:40.000 I don't think, well, you know, in my world, there isn't an American culture that's like, I think what maybe others would think of as American culture.

00:48:49.000 Like, I think they think of, you know, I think they think of like my dad's life where my dad grew up in Idaho, you know, on a farm with, um, blonde hair, blue eyes, you know, went to church, had pigs or something.

00:49:05.000 Does your mom believe in free speech? 0.99

00:49:07.000 Yeah, but so that's why to me, American culture is different, right?

00:49:10.000 Because I'm an American and I was raised here, but my mom is Vietnamese, and my mom's side of the family is Vietnamese, and they're very American.

00:49:17.000 I mean, my mom is a big Trump supporter.

00:49:20.000 Ironically, you know, my dad's side of the family, Idahoans, farmers, Not they were Bernie total progress very similar experience strange Like yeah, the Korean side of my family is it's not entirely Trump, but you know, it's more so stingly Yeah, and my mom's side of the family These are the refugees that by the way went through some of those camps that you have to go through in order to process they went through the processing centers and

00:49:47.000 People of color, you know, living in California, and they're the big Trump supporters.

00:49:53.000 The idea of multiculturalism has two meanings.

00:49:56.000 To the progressives, it means that under this big shared human experience, we all have different ways of living, different clothes, and different ways of speaking, but all of these cultures can exist side by side.

00:50:08.000 You think so?

00:50:08.000 That that's what liberals think?

00:50:09.000 I don't think so.

00:50:10.000 You don't think so?

00:50:10.000 No.

00:50:11.000 Well, you said progressive.

00:50:12.000 You said liberal.

00:50:13.000 Oh.

00:50:14.000 Well, there's an overlap between the two, I mean.

00:50:16.000 You don't think progressives feel that way about multiculturalism?

00:50:19.000 No, I don't think that's what they want.

00:50:21.000 What do you think they mean by that?

00:50:22.000 Because they cancel all of that.

00:50:24.000 It's like, you're not allowed to be different.

00:50:27.000 Right, no, well they segregate it.

00:50:30.000 So it's like a honeycomb of like, your culture goes here and ours go here and we don't interact.

00:50:35.000 I thought Bernie Sanders was like the penultimate progressive.

00:50:38.000 He's not at all like that.

00:50:40.000 He's so loving of all people.

00:50:42.000 He changed.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, he went on stage and said white people don't know what it's like to be poor.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, he changed.

00:50:47.000 So I'm a 2016 Bernie.

00:50:47.000 2016 Bernie.

00:50:47.000 That's my love.

00:50:48.000 2020 Bernie.

00:50:48.000 So I'm a 2016 Bernie.

00:50:50.000 That's my love.

00:50:51.000 2020 Bernie.

00:50:52.000 He turned into AOC.

00:50:55.000 And I think that's actually what he did.

00:50:56.000 He saw her and how popular she was and becoming, and I think he adopted a lot of her rhetoric and it was a mistake.

00:51:04.000 Same with Trump, had he just stuck with his 2016 campaign message and had Bernie stuck with his 2016 campaign message, both of them would have been a very different outcome.

00:51:13.000 I love this fact check from PolitiFact.

00:51:15.000 Bernie Sanders, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor.

00:51:18.000 And they say, false.

00:51:20.000 And I think it's funny, just because it's such a weird thing to say.

00:51:24.000 Of course white people know what it's like to be poor.

00:51:25.000 And it's also like, how do you actually prove what white people know?

00:51:29.000 Because you can't read their minds.

00:51:30.000 But we all just know, they do know what it's like to be poor.

00:51:34.000 It's a weird thing to fact check.

00:51:36.000 Because it's kind of just like, well, it's common sense if a white person is poor, they probably know this.

00:51:40.000 Why would Bernie say that on March 6, 2016?

00:51:41.000 He said that.

00:51:42.000 When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor.

00:51:44.000 Does he mean like relative global poverty?

00:51:46.000 And he's assuming that most of the white people live in like Europe?

00:51:48.000 No, I thought it was false.

00:51:49.000 It's false.

00:51:50.000 He didn't say that.

00:51:51.000 No, no, he did say it.

00:51:52.000 But he's false about it.

00:51:53.000 They're saying his statement is false.

00:51:55.000 Oh, they're saying his statement is false.

00:51:57.000 Bernie Sanders did say this.

00:51:59.000 Wow.

00:51:59.000 So he said quote when you're white you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto

00:52:02.000 You don't know what it's like to be poor You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk

00:52:06.000 down the street or you get dragged out of a car Sander said when you're white you don't know what it's like

00:52:10.000 to be poor PolitiFact rates this statement as a false statement.

00:52:14.000 I think it's funny because you can't read the minds of white people and assume they know what it's like to be poor.

00:52:19.000 But considering the fact that white poor people are the, there are more white poor people than any other, you know, demographic, then it's fairly obvious.

00:52:26.000 So Bernie would like, he got arrested for sitting on civil rights in his early days, but he was co-opted by this progressive mind bug.

00:52:34.000 Bro, he stopped saying millionaires.

00:52:36.000 I heard him say it a couple weeks ago.

00:52:37.000 Well, as soon as he became a millionaire, there was a progressive outlet that mentioned this, too.

00:52:43.000 I can't remember which one.

00:52:45.000 I think it may have been Axios or something.

00:52:47.000 It's not super progressive.

00:52:48.000 It's kind of mainstream left.

00:52:50.000 They said, you can track the moment when Bernie Sanders became a millionaire by when he stopped saying millionaires and billionaires and began only saying billionaires.

00:52:57.000 And then you can actually look at the chart and see it.

00:52:59.000 In a way, he's right, because it's the billionaire class that's choosing global policy at Davos.

00:53:04.000 $999 millionaires.

00:53:05.000 You don't have a lot of those at Davos.

00:53:07.000 I mean, you might, but most of those people are multi-billionaire, worth $20 billion, $50 billion, $100 billion.

00:53:13.000 I was at the World Economic Forum a couple years ago.

00:53:15.000 A lot of people who are not rich.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 No, not me.

00:53:19.000 I was invited to a ski resort to, like, hang out with some of these people.

00:53:21.000 They own, like, cities, and, I mean, maybe millionaires do, too.

00:53:24.000 Right.

00:53:24.000 backrooms. Yeah, those people are like... I was invited to a ski resort to like hang out with some of these people.

00:53:27.000 They own like cities and I mean maybe millionaires do too.

00:53:30.000 Not every single person who's invited in has that level of wealth.

00:53:32.000 Right. Some people are just famous. So... But even if you have 500 million you're still living at the same level as a

00:53:37.000 billionaire in a lot of ways.

00:53:38.000 And you can control.

00:53:40.000 But it's a very different lifestyle than $10 million.

00:53:42.000 Right.

00:53:43.000 Oh yeah.

00:53:44.000 And $10 billion.

00:53:44.000 You'd have like 50 companies if you were at $10 billion.

00:53:47.000 With $500 million, maybe like three, two, four.

00:53:49.000 Not necessarily.

00:53:50.000 But I think they're living a similar lifestyle.

00:53:51.000 How many yachts can you have, you know?

00:53:53.000 I would say not necessarily, but there's a certain amount of money where you can completely influence politics to an insane degree.

00:54:02.000 But let's go back a little bit, you know, because we're talking a little bit about Bernie, but I do want to mention the multiculturalism thing because we're talking about Switzerland and gun crime and stuff.

00:54:09.000 And the issue is they're extremely culturally homogenous.

00:54:13.000 I don't know if that... I hate that argument.

00:54:16.000 I went to Sweden, and I was told by all of these people on the right that there was a serious crime wave from refugees and migrants. 1.00

00:54:24.000 I was told on the left it was not true, that crime was worse among native Swedes, and things like that.

00:54:29.000 It turns out the right-wing narrative was particularly exaggerated.

00:54:32.000 I don't think, from many of the conservatives, it was intentional.

00:54:36.000 I think what happened was, there was a crime wave happening in some cities, notably Malmo, And they saw their murder rate spike by, like, 1,300%.

00:54:44.000 That's shocking, isn't it?

00:54:47.000 This is true.

00:54:47.000 Murder in MoMA, year over year, went up 1,300%.

00:54:53.000 Now, when conservatives heard that, they were like, jeez, what is happening in this place?

00:54:57.000 Well, they recently took out a bunch of refugees.

00:54:58.000 That must be the issue.

00:55:01.000 It went from one murder to 13 murders.

00:55:03.000 It was the children of refugees and migrants from 20-something years ago, and even maybe the grandchildren, and the crime was gang-related, not refugees from the Middle East, and it was one murder to 13 murders. 0.86

00:55:17.000 So while it was a massive percentage increase, when you realize like, okay, that is bad, but their crime is still ridiculously low relative to anybody else.

00:55:25.000 We definitely don't want crime on the rise.

00:55:27.000 But a lot of people in the United States and the UK hear that and they imagine the cities are burning down and it's like this massive increase in crime.

00:55:33.000 And then many on the left just like outright denied that it was happening.

00:55:36.000 What I ended up finding out when I went to Sweden was that When they brought in a lot of Somali refugees in the 90s, they put them in enclaves where they had almost no opportunity to integrate with the Swedish economy.

00:55:48.000 It's not about culture.

00:55:49.000 It's not about language.

00:55:50.000 It's about the ability to get a job.

00:55:51.000 And if you can't get a job, you become poor.

00:55:53.000 And if you're poor, poverty breeds crime.

00:55:56.000 What ended up happening was I was told by many people in Sweden that these young men in some of these places, Rosengard or whatever, that they're called immigrants by people in Sweden, even though they were born in the country.

00:56:10.000 If they go and visit their relatives in Somalia, they're called Swedes.

00:56:14.000 Because they have accents and they're not from Somalia.

00:56:16.000 So here they are, people who struggle to find work, who can't find work, and are basically isolated from Swedish culture because of the racism of Sweden.

00:56:24.000 Sweden is one of the most racist places I've ever been to, mind you, absolutely.

00:56:28.000 These people can't get jobs. 0.85

00:56:29.000 They turn to lives of crime out of desperation and disdain.

00:56:33.000 They don't view the police as having any authority over them because they don't feel like they're a part of that community because they were raised as being told they were immigrants when they were born in the country.

00:56:42.000 That lack of integration and that separation of their two cultures means they didn't care about the Swedish people and the Swedish people certainly didn't care about them.

00:56:50.000 They changed the policy recently.

00:56:52.000 This is years ago, mind you, but they changed the policy when I was there so that when new migrants and refugees were coming in, they were strategically placed so that they were absolutely placed into the economy with an opportunity to work and go to school and have jobs.

00:57:05.000 And that seemed to have been helping a lot of the issues.

00:57:08.000 What ended up happening was there's a couple of different ways we can experience multiculturalism.

00:57:13.000 But the idea that's being pushed by the left, as you noted, the segregation idea, is going to result in serious crime and violence.

00:57:20.000 And so you'll have people who own guns and they'll use them against those who are not a part of their community.

00:57:25.000 I think the easiest way to understand it, there's a saying that many activists have, snitches get stitches.

00:57:31.000 I think a lot of people say that.

00:57:33.000 And you're also not supposed to cross the thin blue line or whatever that saying is.

00:57:37.000 There are many instances where we have seen police officers commit crimes and then the other cops will lie to protect them.

00:57:43.000 I know this firsthand because there was a guy in New York who was falsely accused of a crime.

00:57:48.000 I happen to have been live-streaming and filmed it.

00:57:50.000 And the officer who grabbed the- the supervisor who grabbed the guy instructed a different cop to lie on her arrest documents about what he did, and she did it no problem.

00:57:59.000 And she went to court and lied under oath, no problem. 1.00

00:58:02.000 And then the defense said, here's the footage proving you lied.

00:58:05.000 And they said, officer, you're free to go have a nice day, case dismissed.

00:58:08.000 And they asked, no one seemed to care that these cops just did this.

00:58:11.000 At the same time, Antifa will go around throwing explosives at people and left-wing activists in Portland will lie and shield them to protect them.

00:58:20.000 People in certain communities do not rat on their own.

00:58:24.000 They never do.

00:58:25.000 And they tell you not to do it.

00:58:26.000 During Occupy Wall Street, there were several women who were assaulted inside the Zuccotti Park camp. 0.99

00:58:32.000 And they explicitly told everyone, don't tell the police it happened.

00:58:35.000 Because then the cops will come in and we'll have to deal with them smearing us.

00:58:39.000 So we'll take care of it ourselves.

00:58:40.000 What happened?

00:58:41.000 Those men who were abusing those women in the tents while holding them down and just really awful stuff, got away with it.

00:58:47.000 Because they didn't want to look bad.

00:58:49.000 They didn't want their community to be harmed.

00:58:50.000 They would not turn on people inside the camps.

00:58:54.000 So the issue I see here is that we want integration and we want shared cultures and experiences.

00:59:01.000 But as you noted, the modern progressives are segregating and canceling everybody who do these kinds of things.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, you're culturally appropriating if you try to mix in.

00:59:10.000 But I think that's not a homogenous, I don't know if Switzerland, for example, has a low crime rate because they're

00:59:16.000 homogenous.

00:59:17.000 The reason I have an issue with that argument is because I don't think it has anything to do with homogeneity,

00:59:21.000 it has everything to do with what you pointed out really was classism.

00:59:24.000 So it's that they're all in the same class, right? So they're economically all having all kinds of opportunity.

00:59:31.000 So in Sweden, had they given the opportunity to those groups, and I don't even think you need to actually

00:59:36.000 integrate them in to give them that opportunity, And the Vietnamese community, which is my community, is a

00:59:41.000 good example of that.

00:59:42.000 Vietnamese people have largely segregated themselves.

00:59:49.000 They prefer to live together in one community like little Saigon down in Orange County.

00:59:54.000 They prefer it.

00:59:55.000 They'll commute hours.

00:59:57.000 just to go back home and live in their community.

00:59:59.000 So they actually sort of self-segregate.

01:00:01.000 But because they had opportunity and the ability to go and start businesses and the ability to thrive, there's very little crime now.

01:00:08.000 But when I was a kid growing up, how many times did I see, was I victim of home burglarizing, home invasion?

01:00:16.000 My grandmother was a home invasion victim where they tied her up and beat her up for like four hours. 1.00

01:00:20.000 That was going on in my community, in the Vietnamese community, when there was a lack of opportunity.

01:00:25.000 Or I would say not lack of opportunity because the opportunity was there, it's just that they were still poor.

01:00:31.000 I think you're right, and I'll amend my statement.

01:00:33.000 I think there are issues where communities don't hold their own accountable, but I do think poverty was the driving force.

01:00:40.000 Looking at what was happening in Sweden, it was specifically because the children of these migrants couldn't get work. 0.89

01:00:46.000 And so you had a poor community that was desperate and also kind of shunned And that breeds crime, and then the community factor kind of plays a role in this as well.

01:00:55.000 How do you feel about universal basic income?

01:00:59.000 You know, I don't know how I feel about it yet.

01:01:02.000 So I was a big Andrew Yang fan, too.

01:01:05.000 I like him and stuff, so I don't want to say no to it, but I'm also not ready to buy into the idea yet.

01:01:10.000 Do you think that it would help people break the class barrier?

01:01:15.000 It's hard to say, right?

01:01:16.000 Because, or a landlord says, I know now you've gotten a thousand extra dollars a month, so now I'm going to raise the rent.

01:01:23.000 I mean, so that's kind of my, when, especially in a society that we are in, which is capitalist society, right?

01:01:30.000 If the people know that you have the means and the ability to pay, they will raise the price.

01:01:34.000 This is what the problem we actually, the fundamental problem we have with banks.

01:01:38.000 Is that banks will say, well, like, this is why student education, I think, has gone through the roof, is because when the government said, especially we'll do federally backed student loans, then the banks were like, well, then we'll go ahead and give you a bunch of loans.

01:01:54.000 And And, you know, and then the institutions were like, well, wow, okay, then we'll go ahead and raise the price of tuition because we know you're going to get the loans.

01:02:03.000 It's a guarantee.

01:02:04.000 Right.

01:02:04.000 It's guaranteed.

01:02:05.000 Free money.

01:02:05.000 Right.

01:02:05.000 They were able to just continue raising and raising and raising.

01:02:08.000 And so that's my, that's my one concern with the universal basic income is that it would create that same sort of, well, you have federal guaranteed money.

01:02:17.000 And so therefore I know what I can do in response is raise prices.

01:02:22.000 Yeah, that's actually a good point a lot of people don't bring up.

01:02:24.000 There's talk about inflation.

01:02:26.000 You know, if the average working person, if their labor is valued less, or it's more expensive now because they already have access to resources and revenue, then all the prices of everything is going to go up.

01:02:39.000 It's a weird thing that I think a lot of progressives don't seem to understand when it comes to the arguments about minimum wage.

01:02:45.000 I used to be a pretty big proponent of increasing it to a certain extent.

01:02:51.000 Slow rolled increase.

01:02:52.000 And then I literally met an accountant from my business.

01:02:56.000 And I asked him.

01:02:57.000 And I talked to a couple different accountants.

01:02:59.000 They were all Democrats, you know, in the blue areas, in the Philly area.

01:03:02.000 And they all basically said the same thing.

01:03:04.000 Yeah, like 30% of my clients lost their business when the minimum wage went up.

01:03:09.000 Because you might increase the wages for these people, but that doesn't mean the business has the money to pay them.

01:03:14.000 And if they're operating on a skeleton crew staff already as a small business, Right.

01:03:19.000 All of a sudden their liabilities jump 30% employment taxes and wages because it's all

01:03:25.000 of the employees, but their money in the bank stays the same.

01:03:29.000 So all of a sudden overnight they're insolvent, they're gone.

01:03:32.000 So it didn't work.

01:03:34.000 You know, there's, um, and I, you know, and I have, um, mixed feelings too about, you

01:03:37.000 mixed feelings too about, you know, I, so I'm naturally by default, you know, a leftist.

01:03:39.000 know, I, I, so I'm naturally by default, you know, a leftist.

01:03:42.000 So I automatically, okay, raise minimum wage.

01:03:42.000 So I automatically, okay, raise minimum wage, fine. Sounds good. Everybody's on board. But I

01:03:44.000 Fine.

01:03:45.000 Sounds good.

01:03:46.000 Everybody's on board.

01:03:47.000 I think there's another way to do it that's actually more effective and would resolve

01:03:47.000 think there's another way to do it that's actually more effective and would resolve that problem.

01:03:50.000 that problem.

01:03:51.000 And it would be to tie wages to the highest paid person in the organization. And Germany,

01:03:57.000 what they do there is everyone can see what everybody makes in an organization. So at BMW,

01:04:02.000 for example, everybody knows what everybody is making there.

01:04:06.000 They tell every, they know, everybody knows where they're at and they all know how they

01:04:11.000 can get raises. And it's like, you could have a janitor at BMW making more money than

01:04:15.000 somebody who's at a different job, but that's because the janitor has been there for 20 years

01:04:19.000 and it's a set system and everybody knows and it's all understood. And it's a great way to get

01:04:23.000 people to come together.

01:04:23.000 And so then when you find out somebody's making a certain amount of money, because it's extremely transparent, you don't have any questions of why, you know, you know why they're making the money that they're making.

01:04:32.000 But I think that there's a way to tie, and you know, you know, who else does that?

01:04:37.000 Who does transparent wages is Whole Foods.

01:04:41.000 I believe everybody at Whole Foods knows what everybody makes, and there's a couple of other companies that do it, but I think if you tie the wage to a percentage of whatever the top person is making... I'm gonna have to shatter that beautiful dream of yours.

01:04:55.000 Why?

01:04:55.000 Don't!

01:04:56.000 Why?

01:04:57.000 That's what he does.

01:04:58.000 So, profit.

01:05:02.000 Passive income.

01:05:04.000 It's amazing.

01:05:05.000 You could do something very clever.

01:05:07.000 You could be the CEO of a multi-million dollar company with a million dollar salary, and then announce to the world that, you know what?

01:05:15.000 Wealth inequality in this country is wrong.

01:05:17.000 I am lowering my salary to... What did Harvard say?

01:05:21.000 Harvard said you need like $77,000 or whatever to be happy.

01:05:24.000 $80,000!

01:05:25.000 And then I'm gonna use that money to give everybody a raise.

01:05:28.000 And then you give your employees a raise and everyone's like, look at this guy who's a bastion of good, left libertarianism is really helping.

01:05:34.000 And then you look at your bottom line and you're like, okay, so I took off about $920,000 of my salary, which was taxed at the employment rate, which is 7.5 on my end and 7.5 on the business end.

01:05:45.000 Now that it's passive income, I save 7.5% and make way more money.

01:05:48.000 Congratulations, you found a way to make 70 plus grand while pretending to lower your wage.

01:05:54.000 You could also be tied to the revenue of the company.

01:05:58.000 So you could tie it all together.

01:05:59.000 So there could be a system where it's like, OK, you know, the well, like in Japan and in Germany, for example, it's really immoral for CEOs to get paid a certain amount of money.

01:06:09.000 It's a cultural enforcement, a social enforcement.

01:06:11.000 Well, yeah.

01:06:13.000 So here's the here's the here's the issue with tying it to revenue.

01:06:16.000 One of the difficult things, too, about running a business is when you have to... It's a really, really weird thing at the end of the year.

01:06:23.000 When, depending on what kind of business you have, you have to pay taxes on the money, but you need that money to operate.

01:06:28.000 And so it's kind of frustrating where it's like, you might have a good month, and you're like, this is wonderful.

01:06:32.000 I have enough that's like a safety net to make sure my company can function, and now I have to give a chunk of that to the government.

01:06:38.000 But it's like all that happened was a day passed, you know, so if one of the hardest things is when if you try tying revenue to the highest paid person, what happens if you bring in a good amount of revenue and you want to expand and invest and grow the company and hire more people?

01:06:54.000 Well, you can't now because you made too much.

01:06:56.000 You got to pay everyone a lot more money.

01:06:58.000 Could you then defer it by saying, wait, I'm not going to pay them more money, more money, because I'm going to actually going to hire 10 more people and create 10 more jobs, which lowers our, well, it doesn't lower your revenue.

01:07:07.000 It lowers your, it increases your expensive and lowers your profits.

01:07:11.000 So do you have it be tied to the profit?

01:07:13.000 Well then someone can just... I'm giving myself a bonus.

01:07:18.000 I'm gonna be giving myself a CD as an executive bonus, which is not income that can be taken today.

01:07:24.000 There's a million and one ways to get around this stuff.

01:07:27.000 I actually don't think you can get around it with the passive income thing, now that I'm thinking more about it, if they would make a rule that the owner could not, so you couldn't be the owner.

01:07:39.000 So it would be the highest paid employee versus the lowest paid employee?

01:07:43.000 Right.

01:07:44.000 So the owner is not, and they already do this with the corporations as it is, you know, there's so many, and you know, I know all this sounds really complicated, but as it is, come on, our taxes are so complicated.

01:07:53.000 We could just, you know, make some extra complications to this.

01:07:56.000 It's not that big of a deal.

01:07:57.000 But I think that they could say exempt from owner, you know, there's like, just like right now with pass through corporations, they've got certain things where they say, okay, but if you're an owner, then you don't get this tax break.

01:08:08.000 But if you are, you know, That might work.

01:08:10.000 The highest paid employee versus the lowest paid employee and shareholders are exempt.

01:08:16.000 Owners, yeah.

01:08:16.000 So then basically... Shareholders.

01:08:18.000 If you have somebody who's like an executive, you know, executive vice president or something, and they're like, I'll only do this job for a million dollars a year.

01:08:18.000 Yeah.

01:08:27.000 And then you're like, OK, well, that means we've got to pay the lowest paid employee, you know, like $50,000 a year.

01:08:31.000 Right.

01:08:32.000 And that's actually really good for the business owner because you can then say, Sorry, I can't give you a million dollars because then I'd have to pay the mailroom guy 50k a year and we can't afford that.

01:08:41.000 We've got a thousand low-level employees that would have to go up substantially if we gave you that much money.

01:08:47.000 So it actually is a great bargaining chip for the business owners to essentially be like, we can keep down.

01:08:53.000 I think that actually could theoretically result in a dramatic split between the wealth of the classes because the owners would then have In effect, a legal coordination to stop paying people more money.

01:09:07.000 I think that's a bad thing, by the way.

01:09:11.000 Yeah, I know how you're phrasing it.

01:09:12.000 But it would encourage growth and new employees.

01:09:14.000 You'd rather have more employees than paying singular employees.

01:09:17.000 What I mean is, think about it this way.

01:09:19.000 There are a lot of people who are not business owners who get paid lots and lots of money.

01:09:23.000 Well, if the owner says, listen, if I give you that high salary, then it's actually going to increase the total company's costs.

01:09:30.000 We can't do it.

01:09:31.000 No, you can do it.

01:09:31.000 Sorry.

01:09:32.000 If you really value that person you want to hire.

01:09:34.000 So if you say, listen, this is the best CEO I could get to run my corporation.

01:09:39.000 And now my business is at that level where I need that guy to come in and run this thing.

01:09:44.000 But he's demanding $50 million to be the CEO of my corporation.

01:09:48.000 Then I think it's worth the investment.

01:09:50.000 You know, then you calculate this in and you say, We're bringing it in because we're successful.

01:09:55.000 We're able to bring in this guy who's successful.

01:09:57.000 He's only going to make us more successful.

01:09:59.000 I see what you're saying.

01:10:00.000 I'd imagine if somebody was paying a CEO $50 million, we're talking about like an Amazon tier company, where Bezos, he actually only gets $83,000 a year, because, you know, he's a billionaire from stock.

01:10:09.000 But if someone brought on a CEO at $50 million, we're talking like probably 50K employees or something, or a decent amount of them probably at the lowest level.

01:10:16.000 So that would mean that you're going to say $50 million a year plus all of these costs, let's say 25,000 people, and we're going to increase, you know, per employee $10,000.

01:10:27.000 Now is it really feasible to pay all that money?

01:10:30.000 You know, that's why you'd have to really decide if that person was really truly worth it.

01:10:34.000 And, and you'd have to, it couldn't just be your buddy you're trying to give a good job to.

01:10:38.000 It would have to be that person is actually going to bring value to your company.

01:10:41.000 You believe they're going to bring value to your company.

01:10:43.000 And so you think they're worth worth that entire investment.

01:10:46.000 Otherwise you tone it down a bit on who you can hire.

01:10:48.000 $25,000 times $10,000.

01:10:50.000 What is that?

01:10:52.000 $250 million?

01:10:53.000 Is that... Am I doing my math wrong?

01:10:55.000 I don't know.

01:10:55.000 But I mean, we wouldn't necessarily say... I'm supposed to be good at math.

01:10:57.000 I should be a wizard.

01:10:59.000 But we wouldn't necessarily say that that's the amount of money.

01:11:01.000 Right, right, right.

01:11:02.000 I mean, so you'd set it in a way that it makes sense and some smart accountants would sit down and actually, hopefully... Maybe it just gives every hourly employee another $0.50.

01:11:10.000 I think it's $2.50.

01:11:11.000 Or maybe it ends up giving them all $25 bucks an hour.

01:11:15.000 What was the numbers?

01:11:15.000 $25,000 an hour?

01:11:16.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:11:17.000 Like, who knows what it does, right?

01:11:18.000 But if we said, this is the way we're going to do it from now on, and the highest paid employee cannot make all of the money at the company.

01:11:25.000 I certainly think we have a wealth inequality problem.

01:11:27.000 And I talk about it, you know, every so often.

01:11:29.000 The issue is you end up with the George Soros's and the Bezos's and the Mercer's and just really, really wealthy people.

01:11:35.000 $250 million.

01:11:36.000 $250 million.

01:11:37.000 You end up with extremely wealthy people who have all of the power.

01:11:40.000 And then we're supposed to be a government of buy-in for the people.

01:11:45.000 But let's be real, man.

01:11:46.000 A regular citizen's vote is near meaningless, and we all know it.

01:11:50.000 And I don't mean to discourage people.

01:11:51.000 I mean, your votes are very important.

01:11:53.000 You make sure you go out and vote.

01:11:53.000 What I mean is, relative to the power of a billionaire who can fund, you know, just dump money in the pockets via Super PAC or by just, you know, direct donation to every single candidate they want.

01:12:05.000 And, you know, we know that the studies have shown that The public opinion has no impact on policy.

01:12:12.000 It is the donor class, the wealthy individuals who control everything.

01:12:15.000 We should not be a country that does that.

01:12:17.000 And I think it's one of the reasons you end up with a Bernie Sanders on the left and a Trump on the right.

01:12:21.000 So I certainly think we need to figure this out.

01:12:22.000 And one of the reasons I've talked about why I support very, very high tax brackets for the ultra wealthy.

01:12:29.000 Let me explain, though, because there's some caveats here.

01:12:31.000 The general idea is, if you make $100,000 a year, it's pretty good, man.

01:12:36.000 You're doing all right.

01:12:37.000 I mean, COVID has really messed everything up, so you probably need more than that at this point.

01:12:41.000 But if you're spending 37% of that in taxes, how much money do you have left over to live?

01:12:46.000 Not enough to live a middle-class life, according to that Harvard Business Study.

01:12:50.000 So you'd have to make maybe like $150K to clear $80K spending so you can have vacation, a family, and food.

01:12:58.000 But what if you make a million dollars a year?

01:13:00.000 Now your tax bracket's higher, but you still have hundreds of thousands of dollars left over after your base expenses.

01:13:07.000 Eventually, people using this money can invest, can grow more, and power attracts power, and it's a snowball rolling down a hill where they gain more and more and more wealth.

01:13:15.000 Then at a certain point, you have people who really, what I call breaking the barrier, reach that point of independent wealth where they no longer have to work, they have so much money.

01:13:24.000 And I don't mean, like, you can live off the money and retire.

01:13:27.000 I mean, quite literally, they can put it in the bank and generate so much interest, they just don't have to work.

01:13:32.000 That is a problem.

01:13:33.000 Because then, that massive amount of wealth and power means they can just control whatever they want.

01:13:39.000 They can shut down the opinions of a good working-class American.

01:13:42.000 Some, you know, middle-class family in the middle of the country, a mom and a dad who are working to make ends meet, And they see something on the news and they say, I think I should be allowed to defend my family if a burglar comes and I want the right to bear arms.

01:13:54.000 And then some random dude worth a couple billion dollars just laughs and says, too bad!

01:13:59.000 I, as a single individual, am going to pour so much money into all of the candidates who want to ban guns that your opinion is meaningless.

01:14:06.000 And I'm like, why should that one person supersede those two people simply based on how much money he has?

01:14:11.000 There are certainly issues about free speech and your right to buy commercials and stuff.

01:14:14.000 I like the idea of a progressive tax because the more power you have, the more power you can gain, and a progressive tax slowly starts to chip away at how much you're really gaining.

01:14:24.000 There's a limit, though, to figure that limit out, so I'm not entirely sure.

01:14:26.000 I don't think it's 90%, like some people have suggested.

01:14:28.000 Maybe 55, 60% for the highest income earners.

01:14:31.000 I'm talking, like, over $5 million a year.

01:14:33.000 The main issue as to why Milktoast Spencer here, I don't think it can be implemented, is it makes no sense to just give that money to the government to go blow up kids in Syria, so...

01:14:42.000 We want to curtail the ultra-elites from shutting down our rights and shutting down our free speech.

01:14:48.000 Zuckerberg dumped, what, $300 million into the election?

01:14:50.000 Meanwhile, he's censoring our speech on Facebook and Twitter.

01:14:53.000 I don't like these billionaires having all of that power.

01:14:55.000 But I don't think giving it to the government solves the problem.

01:14:57.000 Right, I mean, libertarians will tell you why even have taxes.

01:15:01.000 We need to just get rid of taxes. 0.80

01:15:03.000 Well, a few good reasons for taxes, I think, are to protect our roads and our... Oh, the roads!

01:15:09.000 We gotta protect the roads, transportation... What is happening here?

01:15:12.000 You guys are supposed to be far right.

01:15:14.000 What's going on?

01:15:15.000 No, you need to protect people from mercenaries.

01:15:18.000 So, standing army is important.

01:15:20.000 Taxes help fund the standing army.

01:15:22.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of, I really like this idea of voucher programs and choice in public services, like schools, maybe even police departments.

01:15:30.000 So we have public school, but everybody pays taxes.

01:15:34.000 The rich will pay obviously more simply by virtue of having more money.

01:15:38.000 So like 10% from someone making 10 grand is only a thousand, but 10% from someone making a hundred is 10,000.

01:15:43.000 So that means the rich people pay more, but everybody gets back one voucher.

01:15:47.000 Then they choose the school they want to go to and they use the voucher as a equalized currency for specific services.

01:15:53.000 But they all get the same voucher.

01:15:54.000 Exactly.

01:15:55.000 Okay.

01:15:55.000 Which means people from poor neighborhoods will all of a sudden have access to the better schools.

01:15:59.000 Right.

01:16:00.000 And create an incentive for schools to improve and do better.

01:16:03.000 Oh.

01:16:03.000 But then wouldn't that create a system where schools in the better neighborhoods would have to have admission policies?

01:16:09.000 And then they would get to reject certain students?

01:16:11.000 And then you're gonna get a lot of racist claims.

01:16:14.000 Maybe, maybe.

01:16:17.000 I'm fairly lukewarm on a lot of the ideas because it might be really utopian to be able to be like, school choice is the solution.

01:16:27.000 It's like, you gotta do a lot of testing.

01:16:29.000 Maybe there's some pilot programs we can do and try and figure these things out.

01:16:32.000 Maybe there's good evidence to suggest we should at least go for it in certain areas, see what happens.

01:16:36.000 I think everybody needs to realize no matter what action we take, there will be fallout.

01:16:40.000 You know, we can change... Bernie Sanders, universal healthcare, I love the idea, I really do.

01:16:45.000 I just don't know how you'd do it because what, 20% of our economy is based on the medical infrastructure?

01:16:49.000 That includes insurance companies' administrative, that would be wiped out if we switched the system.

01:16:53.000 Plus, he's in favor of banning private insurance, which is just not...

01:16:56.000 A good idea at all?

01:16:58.000 No one does that?

01:16:59.000 Like, all the universal healthcare around the world, they don't do this.

01:17:01.000 I don't know why there are Americans who want to do that. 0.97

01:17:02.000 That makes no sense.

01:17:03.000 So, it sounds great, this idea that we can give this service to someone, but there's so much in between that, like, if we just right now flipped, snapped our fingers and said, okay, it's all universal healthcare, then I think there's like four million jobs that get wiped out overnight.

01:17:19.000 And even Bernie has talked about this.

01:17:21.000 So how do you do it?

01:17:22.000 I'd love to, Don't know if you can.

01:17:24.000 But I think there's a job.

01:17:26.000 Those jobs would be recreated.

01:17:28.000 And I think it's not like coal miners to learn to code. 1.00

01:17:32.000 Am I allowed to even, you know?

01:17:34.000 Yeah.

01:17:35.000 So yeah.

01:17:35.000 So I think it's a different system from, you know, I think that the the jobs are equivalent in a lot of ways or similar so that people would then move from the private insurance companies and then they would switch over to working those many jobs that would be created by that system to be a similar job.

01:17:52.000 So the issue I have there is just, you know, telling Clarence, who's been working this job for, you know, private tech health for 20 years, you're fired.

01:18:02.000 Don't worry, at some point a new job will emerge and then you'll figure it out.

01:18:05.000 In the meantime, good luck.

01:18:06.000 Well, that's why I think Bernie said it would be two years of pay for them because they believe it would take two years to get them retrained and moved into those new jobs.

01:18:15.000 I just, I think that that ignores the human experience.

01:18:18.000 I think people like their jobs.

01:18:20.000 Not everybody.

01:18:20.000 Some people- But they would have the same job.

01:18:22.000 It would just be- Those are not insurance.

01:18:23.000 No, I mean like if it's a two year transition period where like all of a sudden their job is gone.

01:18:27.000 Well, they would go to school or they would be training with the new company a lot of it, right?

01:18:30.000 I think, you know, Joe Biden said when we shut down Keystone, don't worry, there'll be new green jobs.

01:18:36.000 Right, yeah.

01:18:36.000 And that didn't happen.

01:18:37.000 That's different though, because those jobs are very different.

01:18:40.000 So I think, well, no, I mean, well, to an extent, Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:44.000 I think in the private health care industry, there's an overlap, but I still think they're going to be different jobs.

01:18:49.000 You're not going to do the same kind of paperwork for the government you would do for a private corporation.

01:18:55.000 And then we're also telling, you know, 4 million people or whatever that, sorry, your jobs are gone.

01:19:00.000 You could tell them like in advance, like, hey, hey, Clarence, if you're working private insurance, your job is going to be gone within the next 10 years.

01:19:07.000 So it's up to you.

01:19:08.000 I can't make you drink, but I'm leading you to the water.

01:19:11.000 I think ultimately though, we should go back and say, I think Bernie's plan of abolishing private healthcare is nuts.

01:19:17.000 We should absolutely have, if we do a universal system, private as well.

01:19:21.000 And that's what every single other country has.

01:19:23.000 So the way I envision it is there's like a base level care.

01:19:27.000 You get the flu, you break a bone, certain ailments that doctors can save you, ready and available.

01:19:32.000 And then you need private supplemental for the much more difficult-to-treat ailments that are too expensive and might overwhelm the system.

01:19:39.000 Like chronic health care?

01:19:39.000 That'd be cool.

01:19:40.000 Private health care for chronic health care stuff?

01:19:41.000 Things like that.

01:19:42.000 But acute could be all government-controlled?

01:19:44.000 Exactly.

01:19:45.000 So if you break your arm, you go to the doctor, they patch you up, have a nice day.

01:19:49.000 I know a lot of them on the left don't like this idea because it means if you get an extremely rare type of cancer... Yeah, or just cancer.

01:19:56.000 Private health insurance.

01:19:58.000 What about doing it the way England does it?

01:20:00.000 How do they handle it?

01:20:02.000 So everybody gets public insurance, like a Medicare for All system, but then if you want extra luxuries, like you want a private room at the hospital you don't want to share, you want four days of maternity rather than two, getting kicked out of the hospital after having a baby, things like that.

01:20:18.000 And I think they even have a system where there are some fully private hospitals and doctors.

01:20:23.000 Then maybe the private hospitals is the right way to go.

01:20:26.000 It still creates a challenge though because you'll end up with still extreme envy and demands.

01:20:33.000 Don't you think it'd be similar to just school?

01:20:35.000 So right now you've got public school.

01:20:37.000 All of us can put our kids into public school, but we also have the option to enrolling them in a perfectly, in a fully private school that we have to pay for.

01:20:44.000 Because the cost of treating chronic health care can get, I think a lot of it's diet related. 0.98

01:20:49.000 We have 60% obesity in the United States, I think, and that's by people, by their choice to continue to eat crap. 0.98

01:20:54.000 So I don't want to fund or saddle people with debt of lazy, ignorant people that want to live in ignorance and poison themselves with food. 0.99

01:21:01.000 I think it's a little harsh. 0.97

01:21:02.000 Food addiction is one of the most dangerous addictions on the planet.

01:21:05.000 I think you had the sugar industry lie and manipulated people who didn't understand.

01:21:10.000 And are still doing it.

01:21:12.000 And so to call them lazy, I think there's a lot of people... The people have been used.

01:21:15.000 It's like a meth addiction.

01:21:17.000 It is.

01:21:18.000 Remember we had Ethan Suplee on the show?

01:21:20.000 And he said he was trying everything and it was really just like his entire life trying to figure out how to get it right.

01:21:24.000 Spend money treating the symptoms of the problem if we're not gonna treat the problem. We have to fix the problem

01:21:30.000 No, you had a doctor But if we were had a universal health care system and

01:21:34.000 everybody had a doctor and you know This doctor is gonna serve us

01:21:36.000 however Many people that they've got and that doctor is now

01:21:40.000 encouraged because of that system to tell everybody to start eating, right?

01:21:44.000 Yeah, doctor says vitamin D and eat right what if every morning 8 a.m

01:21:49.000 Every American was forced to wake up and turn their TV on where a giant face told them to do squats now

01:21:55.000 One.

01:21:56.000 No, that sounds too much like 1984.

01:21:57.000 Yeah, exactly like that.

01:21:59.000 I like the way the fire department's built.

01:22:00.000 They don't get paid per fire.

01:22:02.000 Like, they don't have an incentive to go put out fires, or I would see firemen starting their own fires to get paid more.

01:22:07.000 The doctors get paid a lot of money for selling things and giving the antibiotics companies want to force that, hey, we'll pay you to sell our products. 0.98

01:22:14.000 Certain drugs.

01:22:15.000 Remove that stuff from the industry, and they were actually, we don't want patients.

01:22:19.000 We want you to be healthy.

01:22:20.000 If that was their ethos, then I could see a chronic healthcare system.

01:22:22.000 Right, but the only way that could be incentivized is through the government. 0.73

01:22:26.000 Voucher system.

01:22:26.000 Oh, I don't know about that.

01:22:27.000 You can just, I think we can enlighten people as private citizens too.

01:22:30.000 But they're not going to make money unless the government gets involved and says, we incentivize you to have a healthy population of people.

01:22:37.000 And that the healthier they are, we give you bonuses.

01:22:38.000 What if there was some similar type of voucher system?

01:22:41.000 I don't know how that would work with hospitals, but the general idea is everybody gets equal access to certain services, but there's still a kind of market exchange.

01:22:51.000 Private hospitals.

01:22:51.000 This might be interesting to you.

01:22:53.000 Oh, sorry, let me push the right button here.

01:22:54.000 But I actually worked for a hospital.

01:22:56.000 Not the right button.

01:22:57.000 Oh my gosh.

01:22:58.000 There we go.

01:22:58.000 That's not the right button either.

01:22:59.000 The buttons in your mind.

01:23:00.000 I'm going to push all the buttons.

01:23:01.000 There we go.

01:23:02.000 I've never done that before.

01:23:03.000 I was going to say, I used to work at a hospital, literally in a hospital.

01:23:06.000 And one of the things they did was they would incentivize you to Eat right, and to weigh the right amount, and to have the right cholesterol level.

01:23:16.000 And they would give you a reduction in your health insurance costs.

01:23:19.000 They covered everything.

01:23:21.000 But if you were high, they would help you figure out how to fix it.

01:23:23.000 They would help you eat right, and they would help you figure out if you actually needed medicine.

01:23:26.000 And that was very useful for the people who work there.

01:23:28.000 It's a big company.

01:23:29.000 I think we should start our own country.

01:23:31.000 What do you guys think?

01:23:32.000 I think we're solving all the world's problems right here.

01:23:34.000 We have a good one.

01:23:35.000 We can tweak.

01:23:36.000 Do you like Ron Paul?

01:23:37.000 I do like Ron Paul.

01:23:39.000 Ron Paul has this quote where he said something like, there's nothing stopping anyone from starting a socialist community or city or town.

01:23:46.000 It's just that socialists want to take from you.

01:23:49.000 And to step back a little bit, I saw that and I'm like, I understand he's going to talk about the socialists and say they're trying to take your stuff.

01:23:54.000 Okay, fine.

01:23:55.000 But there's a good point in that we could literally just buy, you know, 100 acres and then be like, okay, communism, here we go.

01:24:01.000 We could build a floating island.

01:24:03.000 So it is an interesting point from Ron Paul that they do just want to keep saying, we get your stuff.

01:24:09.000 But like, how about you go and make your own commune?

01:24:11.000 And there are people who did.

01:24:13.000 It's about 100 people.

01:24:14.000 It is a farm community and you apply to join.

01:24:17.000 And if they approve you, you work and you bask in all of the glory, everyone's friends, and then people rotate in and out.

01:24:23.000 And it works.

01:24:23.000 They started their own system, which is very, it's communism.

01:24:27.000 And it works because it's a small group of people who have built their own.

01:24:31.000 And it's democratic.

01:24:32.000 Right.

01:24:33.000 And they're within the confines of a well-protected country.

01:24:37.000 So I often say that I'm not personally a right libertarian, but I would prefer if we had to create a government out of anything, it would be more right libertarian because it means I can start my left libertarian society on my own and be left alone because no one's going to mess with me.

01:24:51.000 Well, because it would be democratic.

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:54.000 Right.

01:24:54.000 Whereas you would also be able to start a community that was purely something opposite of that.

01:24:59.000 I saw these Bitcoin millionaires or billionaires maybe building new cities.

01:25:03.000 Have you seen these articles?

01:25:04.000 No, what?

01:25:05.000 Super high tech.

01:25:06.000 Yeah, the high tech.

01:25:06.000 There's one that's coming right in Nevada.

01:25:10.000 Okay.

01:25:11.000 It's already the plans.

01:25:12.000 I'm pretty sure it's in Nevada.

01:25:15.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:25:16.000 That could be a possibility to integrate machine learning and artificial intelligence and kind of fix a lot of the shipping.

01:25:22.000 These Bitcoin millionaires have done really wacky stuff.

01:25:24.000 You see that there was one Bitcoin millionaire who tried manipulating the magic of the gathering market?

01:25:29.000 No.

01:25:30.000 So his idea was that if he offered enough money, he could get someone to make a deck.

01:25:35.000 It's a game for those that aren't familiar.

01:25:36.000 He could get a professional player to play in a certain way that was completely unheard of because he was like, I'll just pay you to do it.

01:25:43.000 Wow.

01:25:43.000 And then he thought that by having that professional play this in this tournament,

01:25:47.000 using a weird system, it would encourage younger, newer players to do the same

01:25:51.000 thing, which would totally just throw the game into whack.

01:25:53.000 And he dumped like 40 grand into it just because he could.

01:25:55.000 Wow.

01:25:56.000 Yeah.

01:25:56.000 These people, like human mind, people who got rich overnight and they're just like,

01:26:00.000 I don't know, whatever.

01:26:00.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 40 grand of a Bitcoin.

01:26:02.000 We need to get those people together and give them some purpose, because there's a lot of Bitcoin money out there right now.

01:26:06.000 They need Elon Musk to sit down and give them a pep talk.

01:26:09.000 A lot of them are smart people who got rich. 1.00

01:26:12.000 I've met a couple of Bitcoin millionaires, and some of them are dumb as a box of rocks. 0.99

01:26:17.000 So there was a really funny meme in the early days of Bitcoin. 0.98

01:26:19.000 Bitcoin's at like $58,000 right now, by the way.

01:26:22.000 And it was like when Bitcoin was very new, and it was going up in value, but only worth a little bit.

01:26:27.000 There's a meme where someone's like, okay, this Bitcoin thing's interesting.

01:26:30.000 What can I do with it?

01:26:31.000 And then, uh, I don't know.

01:26:33.000 It was someone saying like, I bought a couple of Bitcoin because I was interested.

01:26:36.000 It went up and now I have 20 bucks.

01:26:38.000 And then there was this really crazy punk rock anarchist looking guy who said that he was like, I'm a billionaire because I knew I could buy drugs on the internet with it.

01:26:45.000 So I bought a bunch.

01:26:46.000 And it was pointing out how like early on, a lot of people who were buying Bitcoin were not like investors or like people running businesses.

01:26:53.000 It was the people who were like, Ooh, I could use this.

01:26:56.000 Silk road, dark webs.

01:26:57.000 Exactly.

01:26:59.000 And so I know some people who got rich and they're not smart.

01:27:02.000 They don't get it.

01:27:02.000 All they knew was like the government.

01:27:05.000 It's not government, but it's money.

01:27:06.000 And they're like, sign me up.

01:27:07.000 And they have no idea how it works.

01:27:09.000 I think it didn't get taxed until 2019 is the first year they started taxing it.

01:27:12.000 That is crazy.

01:27:13.000 People made billions of untaxed.

01:27:15.000 Billions.

01:27:16.000 Individuals.

01:27:17.000 Billions.

01:27:19.000 Earlier, you said about the health care system.

01:27:21.000 I don't like to think of it as a for-profit system.

01:27:26.000 I would like a government system that's not for profit.

01:27:27.000 Kind of like the fire department.

01:27:29.000 It's not a for-profit system, as far as I know.

01:27:31.000 But the question is, you'd have to get the current incentives out, like you mentioned, right?

01:27:37.000 And then the doctors are going to be like, yeah, but now I've got all this student loan debt and I've got to be able to pay this back.

01:27:42.000 That's another piece of the puzzle.

01:27:43.000 Liddy and I talked about this a while ago when we had a fire out back in Philly.

01:27:47.000 It's the debt.

01:27:48.000 I don't think doctors need to go to school for 12 years to be able to show that they know how to do the job.

01:27:55.000 If you can learn the information and take the test and show, I can do this.

01:27:59.000 Then you can do it.

01:28:00.000 So the system that is destroying people with debt, unnecessary, I think at this point, the knowledge is on YouTube, for the most part, the knowledge is on the internet, and can be learned very quickly.

01:28:10.000 Or at least just a medical school that's inexpensive.

01:28:13.000 We don't even have those.

01:28:14.000 We have very few medical schools.

01:28:16.000 We need more medical schools.

01:28:17.000 And the ones that we have are expensive.

01:28:19.000 So we have to ask ourselves why school costs so much.

01:28:22.000 I'm going to push the right button this time.

01:28:24.000 And it is because the government subsidizes it.

01:28:26.000 I firmly believe that if the government didn't give so much money to schools, because you're right, they will charge what the market will bear.

01:28:32.000 And if the market bears this kind of government subsidy, I don't know.

01:28:36.000 I mean, schools are underfunded.

01:28:39.000 In many areas, like the school that I went to in Chicago, it's like... No, not, but you have a college.

01:28:44.000 Oh, colleges.

01:28:45.000 Colleges for profit. 0.99

01:28:46.000 Right.

01:28:46.000 Definitely.

01:28:47.000 Definitely.

01:28:47.000 Yeah.

01:28:48.000 It's a racket.

01:28:50.000 If you could do like a two year medical program and then take a bunch of tests and show like in person, like, yes, I can do the surgery on the thing.

01:28:57.000 I know all the parts.

01:28:58.000 Make him a doctor.

01:28:59.000 But let's get to the important part here.

01:29:02.000 What are you in college for?

01:29:03.000 You want to be a doctor?

01:29:08.000 You want to be a doctor?

01:29:09.000 You want to be a lawyer?

01:29:10.000 Congratulations.

01:29:11.000 Or you want to work in academia.

01:29:13.000 Like, okay, if you want to be a scientist or a researcher, you do that at universities with grants, but you don't even really have to.

01:29:19.000 You can do private research.

01:29:20.000 Same with lawyers. 0.97

01:29:21.000 What do you need college for?

01:29:23.000 You don't anymore.

01:29:23.000 What do you need high school for?

01:29:25.000 Well, you don't necessarily need college in the institution that you're thinking of college, but you do need higher education.

01:29:32.000 So you would need education somehow.

01:29:34.000 If you're going to be an engineer, right, you need to learn how to be an engineer.

01:29:38.000 But you can do that on your own.

01:29:40.000 Not, I mean, how many people are disciplined enough to really learn?

01:29:43.000 And then how do you know that they're getting quality education information?

01:29:47.000 But you think you need a teacher.

01:29:48.000 It goes back to apprenticeship.

01:29:50.000 Yes, I think you need a teacher.

01:29:51.000 Well, a good teacher or a good mentor can really, really rocket fuel your trip.

01:29:57.000 Are you familiar with hackerspaces?

01:29:59.000 Yeah, but all I'm saying is that what you're, so you don't like the institution of university, fine, but you still have to have higher education somehow.

01:30:07.000 Sure, but I mean, we have the internet.

01:30:10.000 Yeah, but, you know, you've got to filter the quality of the information the person's going to get, right?

01:30:15.000 I guess through taking the test, but then you're going to get a bunch of, like, Trump universities.

01:30:18.000 Things that require a certification and tests, like being a doctor, you have to have college.

01:30:23.000 There's got to be some regulation to that because you're literally working on people.

01:30:27.000 As for engineering... You're building buildings and bridges and roads, you have to have... there's got to be some regulation on that, too.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, but the filter there is government regulation and the corporations that are doing that work. 0.95

01:30:42.000 So when I hire a carpenter to build something, I have no idea what their qualifications are.

01:30:48.000 I don't ask for their degree.

01:30:49.000 But you know, part of education... And I gotta be honest, like a lot of the stuff I get built doesn't come from somebody with a degree.

01:30:54.000 Right, right.

01:30:55.000 Yeah, but part of the education experience is the peer groups and learning from those peer groups and being able to bounce things off of and the competition within those peer groups.

01:31:05.000 And those exist outside of universities.

01:31:06.000 They don't exist as well, I don't think.

01:31:08.000 And I think the competition... You're right, I think they're better.

01:31:10.000 You're kind of paying for a mentorship.

01:31:12.000 And they call it teachers now, and they stick 30 of you in a room.

01:31:15.000 Back in the day, it was you and the mentor.

01:31:16.000 And the mentor would give you, this is how you do it.

01:31:18.000 Show me how you do it.

01:31:19.000 But that was also how many people back then.

01:31:21.000 You're doing good.

01:31:22.000 I'll tell you, look, so we're trying to... I had a friend who was going to college for music business.

01:31:27.000 Right.

01:31:28.000 And I asked her, like, so you've been in college for three years.

01:31:34.000 What do you do?

01:31:35.000 She's like, well, I'm in school.

01:31:36.000 And I was like, no, no, but you're taking music business, right?

01:31:38.000 So do you like organize stuff?

01:31:39.000 Have you like worked with like record labels?

01:31:41.000 No, I'm in school.

01:31:43.000 And I was like, okay, I'm a high school dropout and I've already organized some massive shows that made that brought in tens of thousands of people.

01:31:49.000 How do I have more experience in music business than you do?

01:31:51.000 And you've been going for three years and dumping 30 something thousand dollars a year into this.

01:31:55.000 Right.

01:31:55.000 Some some jobs don't require it.

01:31:58.000 Right.

01:31:59.000 Like even the industry I got into radio when I graduated from college, I went into terrestrial radio, did FM radio for years.

01:32:05.000 Right.

01:32:06.000 I didn't need a college degree to do FM radio.

01:32:08.000 But the way I even got into FM radio was through college radio.

01:32:12.000 Did you do college?

01:32:12.000 You did.

01:32:13.000 Right.

01:32:13.000 I did college radio.

01:32:14.000 Right.

01:32:14.000 And then I did an internship at a at a terrestrial radio station.

01:32:18.000 through college, and that's how I got into the industry.

01:32:22.000 From that point, no one has ever asked me about my college degree since I've had my career, but at least it got me in there.

01:32:28.000 But I also think that for other fields in particular, is that the competition inside of the universities, when you are competing, like my last university, we were graded on a curve.

01:32:41.000 So you're graded against, you know, you can't get an A unless you are the best student in that class.

01:32:46.000 It's not about you just passed the test and got the information right.

01:32:49.000 You got to show some level of like genius.

01:32:51.000 How does a curve work exactly?

01:32:53.000 Well, I wanted to bring up a point.

01:32:54.000 So there's there's somebody I knew a long time ago and they had gotten a job with a web dev firm.

01:33:01.000 They were like 19 at the time.

01:33:03.000 And I was really surprised.

01:33:04.000 I was like, wow, you got hired at this web development company and you're only like 19?

01:33:06.000 And he was like, yeah.

01:33:07.000 And he said, what happened was fairly easy to understand.

01:33:12.000 All of the college grads who went to the company said, I have student loans to pay back.

01:33:16.000 I absolutely have to make, you know, this salary, 35 a year or whatever.

01:33:20.000 And then the company said, we don't have 35 a year.

01:33:22.000 Like, we don't make that much money.

01:33:23.000 We have, like, we're all making, you know, table scraps.

01:33:26.000 And along comes this 19 year old who's a high school dropout who has a portfolio of all this web development.

01:33:31.000 And they're like, this is a great portfolio.

01:33:32.000 And what look, you know, coding languages, do you know?

01:33:34.000 And he like gave us like, here's my resume.

01:33:36.000 How much do you want?

01:33:37.000 And he's like, how much can you offer?

01:33:38.000 And they were like 27.

01:33:38.000 And mind you, this is 15 years ago.

01:33:40.000 And he was like, wow, not 27.

01:33:44.000 That's amazing.

01:33:45.000 And they're like, you're hired.

01:33:47.000 And he said, his boss told him explicitly, like, we would have loved to have hired any, hired any of these college grads, but we just needed someone who knew how to do it.

01:33:53.000 And the problem was their salary demands were too high because of their student loan debt.

01:33:56.000 Right.

01:33:56.000 So that's what I think we have to correct.

01:33:58.000 I don't think it has to be like, oh, we have to just get rid of college, because then I think we run the risk of reeling ourselves into a third world country with uneducated people.

01:34:06.000 I think colleges are uneducating people.

01:34:09.000 Well, in some ways.

01:34:10.000 I mean, I understand that.

01:34:11.000 I had similar for you.

01:34:11.000 I was a theater major and a lot of my college experience was doing plays.

01:34:15.000 So I would even get credit for doing a play.

01:34:17.000 I'd get three credit hours.

01:34:18.000 And that was like on the ground training.

01:34:21.000 So I came out of college being a professional, semi-professional.

01:34:24.000 A lot of people, like your friend that you were mentioning earlier, apparently didn't during their business major.

01:34:28.000 Certain things you don't need.

01:34:30.000 It depends on the college.

01:34:31.000 It depends on the program.

01:34:32.000 But here's the thing.

01:34:32.000 So my dad was one of the earliest coders of coders.

01:34:35.000 So back in the 80s, before anybody was doing any of that stuff, my dad was getting a math degree.

01:34:39.000 They didn't even have computer science as a degree.

01:34:42.000 They didn't have boot camps for coding or anything like that.

01:34:44.000 Nobody was thinking this was going to be a thing.

01:34:46.000 And he went to college for coding for computer science and then worked for the power company doing all of their stuff.

01:34:56.000 And in order for those early guys to get that information, they had to go to college in order to get it.

01:35:03.000 Before the internet.

01:35:05.000 My grandpa created his own operating system for his tax business and he didn't go to school for it.

01:35:09.000 Yeah, but still like in order to get like, for example, Boeing runs on the same now, um, operating the, uh, the code that my dad knew. 0.82

01:35:17.000 It's a, it's like they're trying to recruit dinosaurs out of retirement to come out and like, they're like, Oh crap.

01:35:22.000 You know, we don't have, uh, anybody to know. 0.90

01:35:24.000 Young kids know this code.

01:35:26.000 It's only the older guys that know it.

01:35:27.000 We need these guys to come out of retirement, but the, all of those guys learn that same language.

01:35:31.000 I mean, you could maybe create your own.

01:35:33.000 And I know even when my dad was doing it, he created his own things here and there, but to create us something.

01:35:38.000 That is cohesive across large corporations or large companies that could be utilized together, integrated.

01:35:45.000 Everybody needed to have that same knowledge.

01:35:47.000 And even now, they're struggling because they can't find people with that knowledge.

01:35:50.000 I'm proficient in the Adobe suite, and I didn't go to school for it.

01:35:53.000 And it's cross-company and cross-computer and cross-program, you know?

01:35:58.000 But somebody created Adobe suite, and my guess is they went to college.

01:36:02.000 It was technically, it was a bunch of different people who were creating a bunch of different programs that eventually got bought out by the Adobe Corporation, I guess.

01:36:09.000 But there's also open source versions where communities just develop things by sharing free and open information.

01:36:15.000 Apache.

01:36:17.000 That's a good company.

01:36:17.000 Kdenlive for video editing and stuff.

01:36:22.000 Ubuntu for operating systems.

01:36:24.000 I'm thinking about like science and a lot of science you need you don't maybe don't need but like uniform like you're talking about uniform of uniformity of information so that they can like learn the language of science like all the equations that have led to the next equation up to the equations of all so they memorize this this language basically language you don't necessarily need a college but having an organized place where people can all go or to learn it all all the same thing so they can communicate But I still online hacker spaces physical act but you need

01:36:51.000 people from all around the world to be able to I mean it could

01:36:54.000 Be physical too. I think we need to bring people back to like apprenticeships and like I don't have a community and

01:36:59.000 learning Yeah, I mean I do think we need to change the way higher

01:37:02.000 education Is implemented and how it's viewed, you know change the the

01:37:07.000 idea that oh it has to be through university But I still think we need higher education

01:37:11.000 The age of automation on the way, the COVID lockdown causing all this unemployment, maybe it's the time for people to become mentors and to offer what they know to the younger generation.

01:37:21.000 Yeah.

01:37:21.000 But see, and also, hey, look, the pandemic was a great, this is sort of my point, I don't think people learn as well.

01:37:28.000 Unless they're with the group and they've got the competition, they've got the collaboration, they have people to talk to, they have peers groups.

01:37:34.000 And now what we've seen online is people are not able to do it as well.

01:37:38.000 But there's nothing saying universities need to be that.

01:37:41.000 No, it could be.

01:37:42.000 But I don't think you could just get rid... I mean, you're wanting to get rid of universities like some people want to get rid of private health insurance.

01:37:48.000 I think that universities have become predatory systems that exploit young people.

01:37:52.000 They send these 18-year-olds into a system with no idea what their major should be.

01:37:56.000 I think around half of people change their major.

01:37:59.000 And then they get settled with massive debt they can never pay off, which is a permanent indentured servitude which has nothing to benefit them.

01:38:05.000 But that's the system.

01:38:06.000 That's the issue.

01:38:07.000 So, higher education.

01:38:09.000 I feel like that about the church.

01:38:10.000 The business of the church bothers me, but the church doesn't bother me.

01:38:13.000 The university system at this point, in my opinion, is completely corrupt and broken, and it can't be salvaged.

01:38:19.000 Well, that's how Bernie Sanders feels about private health insurance.

01:38:21.000 And how I feel about the church.

01:38:23.000 But I'm not saying abolish the idea of higher education.

01:38:26.000 We can have universities, we just have to kind of purge and refresh them.

01:38:30.000 And then I'm all for, like, everyone shows up to a university and you hang out and you have fun and you build things and you explore things.

01:38:37.000 You're just trying to take away the fun.

01:38:38.000 Beer pong, you know?

01:38:39.000 Hacker spaces are pretty fun.

01:38:40.000 No, I want way more.

01:38:41.000 We could build a hacker space.

01:38:43.000 We actually should.

01:38:45.000 3D printers, lasers.

01:38:46.000 I was a member of Hackerspace and I built a remote-controlled can of green tea.

01:38:49.000 We just got a couple lasers. I know I got my face burned into. Oh nice

01:38:53.000 You may be wondering how in fact do you create a remote-controlled can of green tea? Did you put wheels on it?

01:38:58.000 What is that magic what I did was I took a couple a piece of plastic with a couple motors on it

01:39:03.000 I took the bottom of an Arizona can and I put it slightly off-axis on one of the motors and then taped it on and

01:39:11.000 And then on the back, I put a motor going perpendicular to create gyroscopic stabilization.

01:39:18.000 What would happen is, the off-axis Arizona can in the front, when it's spun, would create a vibration.

01:39:24.000 The vibrations would reduce the friction between the can and the table to near zero, and so it would cause the can to float.

01:39:30.000 You've seen these things.

01:39:31.000 They have a little football game where the vibration makes them move around.

01:39:34.000 You control it by spinning the reverse gyroscopic stabilizer, which causes it to go straight.

01:39:39.000 And when you release it, it spins in circles.

01:39:42.000 I just built that randomly.

01:39:43.000 I never worked with electronics or remote control or anything.

01:39:46.000 We'll help you get your patents filed.

01:39:47.000 We take 5% of the patent for two years and then release the patent back to you.

01:39:52.000 I'd rather create a hackerspace where we just make everything free and open source.

01:39:55.000 I think you have to have more self-awareness on this issue, Tim.

01:40:00.000 Are you calling me an ace of spades?

01:40:04.000 I think that for you things are different because you're obviously highly intelligent.

01:40:09.000 And so that is an unfair advantage.

01:40:12.000 You know, you're talking about these crazy things you're creating and stuff.

01:40:15.000 Privilege.

01:40:16.000 Right.

01:40:16.000 Well, it's a privilege of intelligence that others don't have.

01:40:20.000 And you have the privilege of maybe certain sort of self, you know, the ability to just get something done because you put your mind to it or something.

01:40:27.000 And others need the encouragement from others.

01:40:30.000 Sorry, I don't know if you were telling me.

01:40:32.000 Yeah, here I was like, you know, giving you compliments about being a genius and you're trying to stop me.

01:40:38.000 You know, so I think that that is what you have to, not everybody can learn in the same environment.

01:40:43.000 That's your criticism of university.

01:40:46.000 So that's also my defense of university.

01:40:49.000 If you could go back in time and not take out the student loans, would you do it?

01:40:53.000 Um, if I could do what?

01:40:54.000 Go back in time and not take out student loans.

01:40:56.000 Would you do it?

01:40:57.000 And not take, so if I didn't get this, yeah, I would.

01:40:59.000 I feel like when I, when I'm telling young people don't go to school, what I'm really saying is I often say this, if your parents are paying for it, if you're rich, by all means, do what you want.

01:41:09.000 It's the student loan system that's created.

01:41:11.000 It is a predatory indentured servitude factory.

01:41:14.000 I would say I would take him out again.

01:41:17.000 I couldn't have gone to school without him.

01:41:18.000 What did you need to go to school for?

01:41:19.000 Theater.

01:41:20.000 Acting.

01:41:21.000 I got a hot girlfriend.

01:41:23.000 It was amazing.

01:41:23.000 I was popular for the first time in my life.

01:41:25.000 And that's a degree that people would say, that's a sham.

01:41:27.000 Don't even do it.

01:41:28.000 It built my confidence like crazy.

01:41:30.000 Right, exactly.

01:41:31.000 And I did music and philosophy.

01:41:33.000 Also kind of useless when you get out.

01:41:35.000 Jazz.

01:41:36.000 I'm a jazz drummer.

01:41:38.000 We'll jam later.

01:41:40.000 We should definitely go to Super Chats, though, because we pushed it a little bit.

01:41:42.000 So we'll take the audience questions.

01:41:44.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe, and go to TimCast.com because we're gonna have a very special exclusive.

01:41:50.000 I think we're gonna do the Ace of Spades, the secrets of the universe.

01:41:54.000 I guess you're gonna reveal to the world where my intelligence comes from or something.

01:41:58.000 You were praising me just a moment ago.

01:42:00.000 Oh, now you want more?

01:42:01.000 Carry on, yes.

01:42:02.000 I'm kidding.

01:42:03.000 But I think that's really, really fascinating.

01:42:05.000 The spades.

01:42:06.000 Like, you're a spade.

01:42:06.000 What are the spades?

01:42:07.000 You're the ace of spades.

01:42:09.000 I'm a six of spades, by the way.

01:42:10.000 Right, you're the six of spades.

01:42:11.000 I'm an eight of clubs.

01:42:12.000 So you're saying Ian's not smart.

01:42:13.000 Spiritually.

01:42:14.000 Spiritually, I'm very smart.

01:42:17.000 TimCast.com, become a member.

01:42:18.000 That'll be up later, but we're gonna read your Super Chats right now.

01:42:21.000 All right, let's see.

01:42:21.000 What do we got here?

01:42:24.000 Rocky Tao says, I know someone in the Minneapolis PD who told me that the Chaz here has been around since the riot days, but more of a simple no-go zone for police. 1.00

01:42:33.000 It's only getting media coverage now since we're nearing the Chauvin trial.

01:42:37.000 Chauvin trial?

01:42:37.000 Is that how you say it?

01:42:37.000 Chauvin?

01:42:38.000 Chauvin, I think is the pronunciation.

01:42:40.000 Or Chauvin.

01:42:41.000 Chauvin?

01:42:41.000 Chauvin.

01:42:43.000 Morgan Byrne says, the fur boss sounds like a true cat-pitalist.

01:42:46.000 Ha ha! 0.86

01:42:49.000 He's atop of the org chart, so he's got to do what he says, and he often says, Yeah, true.

01:42:52.000 Yeah, true.

01:42:53.000 Track media only says, no, you were children that never grew up.

01:42:56.000 It has never been.

01:42:57.000 We all have that.

01:42:58.000 It was a, it was about, we all have the equal opportunity for that.

01:43:02.000 Grow up children too many spoiled and have never been poor.

01:43:05.000 I think one of the big problems, uh, that we have these days is that there's a lot

01:43:10.000 of young people who don't understand hardship.

01:43:12.000 They were born into like the peak epitome of wealth in this country.

01:43:15.000 And now that things are kind of not going so well, because we're in a golden age,

01:43:19.000 they're like, why is my life not perfect?

01:43:21.000 I don't know.

01:43:21.000 I think the opposite a little bit, actually.

01:43:23.000 Because a lot of these kids grew up after the 2008 crash, and suddenly their parents lost their homes, and they were told they couldn't have things, couldn't afford, you know, this, that, or the other.

01:43:32.000 Yeah.

01:43:33.000 I think, well, I guess what I mean is, I think I agree with you.

01:43:36.000 That's, uh, our, our, our, the older generation had everything and it was, it was this, you know, peak.

01:43:41.000 And they were born at a time, like, when people were doing well and things started to get worse.

01:43:45.000 2008 was a smack to the bottom.

01:43:48.000 And then all of a sudden millennials entering the job market were like, what?

01:43:51.000 Yeah, no job market.

01:43:51.000 It's not my fault this happened.

01:43:53.000 You know, they blame them.

01:43:54.000 They get angry.

01:43:54.000 I had first world hardship.

01:43:56.000 Like, my parents had middle class, but they were like, get a job when you were 12.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, I got a job when I was 12.

01:44:01.000 But I had a job when I was 10.

01:44:03.000 What I didn't learn was how to run a business.

01:44:06.000 And that just that really messed me up.

01:44:08.000 If I had learned that, but like you were working at a business that your parents owned.

01:44:12.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:44:12.000 I was just going to say, that's how I learned as I watched my family have businesses.

01:44:16.000 And I think that generational knowledge, we hear this talked about a lot on the left.

01:44:20.000 And there is something to that, which is not just generational wealth, but the generational wealth is actually generational knowledge.

01:44:27.000 What you learn from watching your parents, when they start a business, the heart, you know, I watched my dad have to, you know, we went through a lot of hardship in order to have him build that business, and we had to make a lot of sacrifices, and I watched it happen in order for it to grow, and I think that knowledge It's really important, but you don't get that except through that kind of apprenticeship sort of thing.

01:44:46.000 Let's read this one.

01:44:47.000 We have a lot of Super Chats, guys, so I really appreciate it, but I don't know if we can read as many as we normally do.

01:44:51.000 We'll try.

01:44:52.000 Gizmo says, when I went to college, we discussed the financial part before I got classes.

01:44:56.000 Did you not know what you were doing?

01:44:57.000 Why should I pay your debt?

01:44:59.000 You shouldn't.

01:45:00.000 I do not believe in this right of $50,000 check at all. 0.95

01:45:02.000 I think that's ridiculous.

01:45:03.000 I do think it's insane that there are people who took out, like, $50,000 in loans and now owe $200,000. 0.55

01:45:07.000 Right.

01:45:08.000 Like, what?

01:45:10.000 Like, that's not fair.

01:45:11.000 You shouldn't owe that much money.

01:45:12.000 I understand there's interest.

01:45:13.000 And some people say, well, you should have read the contract.

01:45:15.000 And I'm like, dude, an 18-year-old who has some 40-year-old predatory loan officer or whatever be like, trust me, kid, I'm here looking out for you.

01:45:23.000 The school's got your back.

01:45:24.000 You're supposed to do it.

01:45:25.000 I'm not blaming the kid for being ripped off by a con artist.

01:45:28.000 But I think the banks should have to pay it.

01:45:30.000 Yeah.

01:45:31.000 Can we make Bill Gates pay it?

01:45:33.000 I just heard that our Fannie Mae Freddie Mac bailout from 2008 is actually $14 trillion over 20 years.

01:45:37.000 Wow.

01:45:38.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 So why don't they pay it?

01:45:40.000 That's incredible.

01:45:40.000 We're still paying.

01:45:41.000 We've only paid like $4 trillion of the $16 trillion that we owe these banks from the 2008 bailout.

01:45:46.000 I'd have to confirm that, but I just read that today.

01:45:47.000 It was jaw-dropping.

01:45:49.000 Scott Bloss says, Student debt is your own fault.

01:45:52.000 And I have more student debt than you and I'm younger than you.

01:45:55.000 There are arguments for toppling the state.

01:45:57.000 Your financial choices aren't one of them.

01:45:58.000 Phony anarchists have no justification.

01:46:00.000 But did you understand what compound interest was?

01:46:03.000 Did you do the calculations?

01:46:04.000 Did they teach you the calculations of how to calculate compound interest?

01:46:08.000 If they didn't, then was it really your responsibility?

01:46:10.000 Because you could argue it was predatory.

01:46:12.000 I think it's absolutely predatory.

01:46:14.000 And I think it's absurd to think we're gonna take some kid, tell them they have to do this, because that's what they've been telling, they were screaming in my ears, you have to go to college, you have no choice.

01:46:22.000 And I was like, nah, I ain't doing it.

01:46:23.000 But they were like, here's all the loan money I'm taking out. 0.96

01:46:25.000 And I'm like, I'm not gonna pay that back, are you nuts?

01:46:28.000 Don't worry, we're gonna give you the money.

01:46:29.000 I was like, wait, wait, you're gonna give me money?

01:46:30.000 And I gotta give you more money?

01:46:32.000 You know, my favorite thing ever was, I was like 16.

01:46:33.000 I read an article from, I was a Clinton-era economist.

01:46:37.000 And he said, if you go to any investor and tell them, I will give you, you know, you're going to invest $40,000 into a four-year investment.

01:46:49.000 And after four years, you will owe $40,000 plus interest.

01:46:52.000 They'll laugh in your face. 1.00

01:46:54.000 That's the stupidest investment I've ever heard. 1.00

01:46:56.000 And now they try and add, oh, but it's, you know, it's the experience in the school. 1.00

01:46:58.000 And it's like, no, no, no, no.

01:47:00.000 If you had $40,000 in you, you know, what he basically said was, they did this chart where he said, if you are 18 and you go work at McDonald's, And after, you know, the average amount of time where a person sees a promotion to assistant manager is like X amount of months, your average hourly wage will go up to the average number, which is this for McDonald's.

01:47:16.000 He was like, by the time you're 22 and your peers are graduating college, they'll have negative $40,000 plus interest and you will be a manager making $40,000 a year.

01:47:27.000 By the time you're both 28, they will still be paying off their debt and the interest, and trying to find work experience, and you will now be making, you know, X amount of dollars with a savings of, you know, X. And he basically showed that a person who doesn't go to college without the debt has more net worth while they're younger.

01:47:46.000 So the issue for me when I saw that was like, would I rather be a 24-year-old with a good salary enjoying my youth, or a 24-year-old settled with massive debt struggling to find a job and then hoping I could pay it off eventually?

01:47:56.000 I'm going to enjoy being young and go skateboarding and play music.

01:47:58.000 I was kind of like, what do I want to do with my life?

01:48:01.000 My parents were like, you know, the money is not the important thing.

01:48:04.000 I think the question should be when you're 50, what do you want your life to be like?

01:48:09.000 Dog in the woods.

01:48:11.000 Cabin made of twigs and fishing down by the river.

01:48:13.000 Well, it's just that, you know, the math works out up until you're only a certain point, but then suddenly all the people in their 40s and 50s start to surpass.

01:48:20.000 Like, what have I done with my life?

01:48:21.000 Well, they surpass those who didn't go to college, and they're the ones now living a good life with a retirement, and you're still hustling and bustling in a blue-collar job.

01:48:29.000 Spurious correlation?

01:48:31.000 Is that the right phrase?

01:48:31.000 Spurious correlation?

01:48:33.000 I told you not these fancy words!

01:48:36.000 This is a good one.

01:48:37.000 What ends up happening is there's an assumption that people who go to college make more money and people who don't go to college make less money when the reality is people who are willing to do the work make more money.

01:48:50.000 And so there's a tendency among, say, high school dropouts, for instance.

01:48:54.000 They say, if you drop out of high school, you're not going to make any money.

01:48:56.000 It's like, well, it's because people who drop out of high school are typically not doing it for work ethic related

01:49:01.000 reasons.

01:49:01.000 So you're associating high school dropout with negativity as opposed to lack of work ethic and the negativity.

01:49:07.000 So if you drop out of high school, there's a bunch of people who dropped out of high school who are famous

01:49:12.000 skateboarders, athletes, musicians, podcast hosts, etc.

01:49:15.000 Mathematicians?

01:49:16.000 Einstein dropped out of school?

01:49:18.000 High school?

01:49:19.000 I think so, yeah.

01:49:19.000 So the issue is, when they see high school dropout, they assume everybody who did it did it for the same reason and thus they'll be broke.

01:49:26.000 Some people drop out because they're actually working harder and they're being held back by the institution.

01:49:30.000 Yeah, the school's not gonna make you successful.

01:49:32.000 It's the drive.

01:49:32.000 So what happens is you'll look at somebody who doesn't go to college and someone who does, and then see an average, where the reality is people who are willing to say, I'm gonna do four years of this work because I hope I can accomplish something, whereas the average person who's not gonna do it is not doing it because they're driven, they're doing it because they're not driven.

01:49:49.000 So it's a drive factor versus a lack of drive factor.

01:49:51.000 Now, if you're smart enough to avoid the system and find a way to gain experience outside of that, then you will absolutely make substantially more money.

01:49:59.000 And in fact, college dropout billionaires make three times as much money as college graduate billionaires.

01:50:03.000 Oh, no, no.

01:50:04.000 I'm sorry.

01:50:04.000 I think it's PhD.

01:50:06.000 Or maybe it's both, actually.

01:50:07.000 It's been a long time since I've researched this stuff.

01:50:08.000 I just think if we keep encouraging people to not go to college, I hope you guys all like your stuff from China. 0.98

01:50:13.000 Because we're going to need the Chinese engineers. 1.00

01:50:15.000 We're going to need the Chinese architecture.

01:50:17.000 We're going to need the Chinese technology. 0.98

01:50:18.000 We're going to need the Chinese everything. 1.00

01:50:21.000 Einstein dropped out of high school at the age of 15.

01:50:24.000 Einstein did.

01:50:26.000 He said, F it.

01:50:27.000 When he was 15, this isn't for me.

01:50:29.000 It's too slow.

01:50:29.000 He didn't like the way it worked.

01:50:31.000 So he left and learned it on his own.

01:50:33.000 I just think a country that's willing to invest and educate their population is going to beat us.

01:50:37.000 But who's choosing education?

01:50:38.000 It's a matter of national security.

01:50:39.000 You are correct.

01:50:40.000 What's being taught?

01:50:41.000 The school system right now is predatory and it's not accomplishing it.

01:50:43.000 Right.

01:50:43.000 And what are they teaching?

01:50:45.000 Raise your hand.

01:50:46.000 Wait till you're called on.

01:50:47.000 Be a good boy.

01:50:47.000 Don't step out of line.

01:50:48.000 Colleges are different.

01:50:49.000 They're making me a soldier, basically.

01:50:51.000 We'll read some more.

01:50:52.000 We have a very, very important one here.

01:50:54.000 BlackRockBeacon says, Roof Koreans are a well-regulated militia. 1.00

01:50:57.000 Change my mind.

01:50:58.000 I will not attempt to.

01:51:00.000 It's like when you think about momentum, if it's swinging far to the left, it's like a swing set.

01:51:03.000 You can push it and make it swing all the way around.

01:51:05.000 Is the solution more leftism?

01:51:07.000 Perhaps conservatives have a role in this life.

01:51:10.000 Perhaps.

01:51:11.000 Like when you think about momentum, if it's swinging far to the left, it's like a

01:51:15.000 swing, a swing set.

01:51:16.000 You can push it and make it swing all the way around.

01:51:18.000 Maybe.

01:51:19.000 I will.

01:51:20.000 I will also just give a quick shout out to, um, if you go to Tim cast.com and click

01:51:23.000 shop, we have a shirt that says it's a diamond hands, gorilla shirt.

01:51:27.000 It's a gorilla wearing sunglasses, smoking, holding wads of cash, and wearing a suit, because I guess there's a meme among the GameStop people about, you know, gorillas are stronger together or whatever, and I guess, so I decided, we had the gorilla shirt, I was like, let's put him in a suit and give him money, and like, make a, you know, thing, so check it out.

01:51:43.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:51:44.000 As I came from an immigrant family, we were told growing up that the American dream was to work hard to give a better

01:51:49.000 life to our children.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:51:51.000 And somehow people think it's that like they don't have kids and they're going to be rich and swimming in an

01:51:55.000 infinity pool and posting photos on Instagram.

01:51:58.000 Whether they're your biological children or not, it's to make it better for the children.

01:52:02.000 We have a lot of super chats.

01:52:05.000 We just, way too many super chits, my friends.

01:52:07.000 You guys are awesome.

01:52:08.000 Nick, uh, Seamus says, give me Ian or give me death.

01:52:11.000 Seamus!

01:52:12.000 And give me a guest that knows what she's talking about when she talks about guns. 1.00

01:52:15.000 Ooh, they got some spicy words for you.

01:52:16.000 We should go deeper on guns.

01:52:20.000 Troy Dingman says, one of the biggest things the Founding Fathers screwed up on was not implementing a congressional dictionary to define what words mean in the content of the laws, so we would be able to refer back to it.

01:52:30.000 Completely agree.

01:52:31.000 In legal documents, it'll say, like, very, very specific, like, this word hereby means this.

01:52:37.000 And they make sure the words are all very, very, you know, specifically defined.

01:52:41.000 V.S.

01:52:41.000 says, CA gun stores have been completely depleted.

01:52:44.000 No ammo.

01:52:45.000 Guns on back order.

01:52:46.000 I bought a Glock in November.

01:52:48.000 Wouldn't come in until February.

01:52:50.000 Guns on consignment are extremely inflated.

01:52:52.000 People are getting into reloading.

01:52:54.000 It's been this way since the lockdown started.

01:52:56.000 Wow!

01:52:57.000 It's true.

01:52:58.000 We couldn't get any weapons during the lockdown.

01:53:00.000 Stephen A. He says historical scholar here.

01:53:03.000 I definitely trust this.

01:53:05.000 No offense, Stephen.

01:53:06.000 I don't know your credentials.

01:53:08.000 You could 100% own a cannon and military grade weapons back in the day.

01:53:11.000 I want some linkage to like the facts on that.

01:53:14.000 I want to know.

01:53:14.000 I'm curious.

01:53:17.000 Frenzy Film says, Tim, felons can lose the right to arms.

01:53:20.000 The U.S.

01:53:20.000 Constitution says you can lose the right through due process.

01:53:23.000 All right, well, there you go.

01:53:24.000 I was wrong about that, I suppose.

01:53:26.000 The 13th Amendment needs to be reformed, in my opinion, because it allows slavery in the event that you're convicted of a crime, and I think that's wrong.

01:53:31.000 I think slavery is wrong and just should not be in any capacity.

01:53:35.000 I think our prison system is supposed to be rehabilitative, not retribution or punishment.

01:53:42.000 All right, let's see.

01:53:43.000 PowderPZ says, I'm running for Congress in CA.

01:53:46.000 To go to change.org, PZ for Congress, to sign my petition to get my name on the ballot.

01:53:51.000 Let's show the establishment we're in control. 0.96

01:53:53.000 All right.

01:53:54.000 Well, I don't know what your policy positions are.

01:53:56.000 Hopefully they're good ones.

01:53:57.000 But either way, people have heard about you.

01:53:58.000 Thanks for the super chat.

01:54:00.000 Voodoo M says, is a harpoon gun a firearm?

01:54:04.000 I don't know.

01:54:05.000 Is it?

01:54:06.000 I don't know.

01:54:06.000 Maybe?

01:54:07.000 Interesting.

01:54:07.000 Depends on how the chemicals used to project the thing.

01:54:12.000 Here we go.

01:54:13.000 John Hutto says basic firearm safety and training should be part of every high school education.

01:54:18.000 Ian, you could not pull my gun from my holster even if I didn't try to stop you.

01:54:21.000 There are holsters designed for retention.

01:54:23.000 Yeah, but does everyone use those holsters?

01:54:25.000 No.

01:54:26.000 And that's, and that's a good point.

01:54:27.000 But there also are some very, very simple ones that don't even have any crazy mechanisms.

01:54:31.000 It's just that you have to pull it out a certain direction.

01:54:33.000 So maybe if you had to have a holstered gun and a safety holster, that could be something.

01:54:37.000 Bro, if you're, if someone, if you're, you're, you're responsible for it.

01:54:41.000 It's, it's all.

01:54:42.000 If someone has like a, a gun tucked in their belt, like at a loaded pistol with the safety off and they're on the train and they're standing there with their hand up like, it's just asking for disaster.

01:54:52.000 In my opinion.

01:54:53.000 Those people will get arrested if something happens.

01:54:55.000 But what's going to happen?

01:54:56.000 What if they're dead?

01:54:57.000 What if the kid gets shot?

01:54:58.000 Or what if the bullet hits a train?

01:54:59.000 Yeah, geez.

01:55:01.000 Loose guns.

01:55:02.000 So, I like this holster thing.

01:55:04.000 A nice, tight holster.

01:55:05.000 Teach responsibility.

01:55:07.000 Maybe you can open carry.

01:55:08.000 Maybe the law should not be about that you can't do it.

01:55:12.000 It should have to be done in a secure holster, fitted properly and regulated by the government.

01:55:16.000 In which case, you have the ability to bear arms, you can't brandish the weapon, but it's in a secure holster only you can pull from.

01:55:23.000 That way it's not dangling with the safety off or something like that.

01:55:25.000 It's in a secure holster.

01:55:26.000 You could do like thumbprint activation like your cell phone.

01:55:30.000 In addition to another security feature.

01:55:33.000 Big Dog Barn says, I've been shooting all my life.

01:55:36.000 Got my first .22 at the age of four.

01:55:38.000 I view firearms as tools, no different than a shovel or an axe.

01:55:41.000 Yeah, I mean, if you swung a pickaxe at someone's head, you'd cause serious injury to them as well.

01:55:45.000 I guess, you know, things can be dangerous.

01:55:48.000 People... Globalist Channel says, Tim, vaccine ready May 1st.

01:55:51.000 I heard that.

01:55:51.000 Joe Biden apparently made some big announcement earlier, so that's great.

01:55:54.000 Is it the Moderna one?

01:55:56.000 No, I think it was Johnson & Johnson.

01:55:58.000 He did like a hundred and something doses, maybe a hundred million doses of Johnson & Johnson or something.

01:56:05.000 I think that's what they were saying.

01:56:06.000 More than enough, I guess.

01:56:07.000 Who owns that company?

01:56:08.000 Johnson & Johnson, probably.

01:56:09.000 That one is actually going to do a non-profit.

01:56:10.000 They're doing the vaccine non-profit.

01:56:13.000 Oh, cool.

01:56:13.000 Interesting.

01:56:14.000 Tree of Liberty says, in 2005, we shot Skeet on the football field in high school.

01:56:19.000 Also, my published philosophy professor called Tom McDonald an astute philosopher, then commented he was doing very valuable philosophical work.

01:56:27.000 Wow, that's really amazing.

01:56:29.000 I say that about rap.

01:56:29.000 People think I'm crazy.

01:56:31.000 John Sochacki says, spoiled rich white westerners are angrier over the Alberta, Wisconsin pipeline than they are that the 0.93

01:56:37.000 turk...

01:56:37.000 than they are at the Turkey cutter pipeline as if bombs raining down on the middle middle easterners isn't a

01:56:43.000 problem for them.

01:56:44.000 Yep. Mm-hmm.

01:56:46.000 Let's see.

01:56:50.000 Nicholas Cervini says that he was suicidal his whole life.

01:56:53.000 I thought I would lose my firearms.

01:56:55.000 I never had found the help I desperately needed.

01:56:58.000 Just got a little news on Johnson & Johnson.

01:57:00.000 The majority shareholders, two of the top three, are the Vanguard Group and BlackRock, two of the largest investment firms in the world, along with State Street.

01:57:08.000 They basically own 8% of every Apple, Microsoft, Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson.

01:57:14.000 You look down the list.

01:57:15.000 Crazy powerful companies.

01:57:16.000 Roberto Flores says, Tim taking a stand on 2A.

01:57:19.000 Nice! 0.94

01:57:20.000 Oh yeah.

01:57:21.000 I'm doing it.

01:57:21.000 That's certainly the case.

01:57:23.000 And it's not so much that I like the idea of everybody having guns.

01:57:26.000 I just don't think it's an authoritarian position to try and supersede the Constitution without proper amendment.

01:57:31.000 So then amend it, you know?

01:57:32.000 NOS says that they've been suicidal in the past, and they went for treatment for it.

01:57:37.000 They did the equivalent of paying their debt to society.

01:57:39.000 Treatment centers are abusive, by the way, but now they say they're mentally healthy, they want a gun, and they can't because of California.

01:57:46.000 Interesting.

01:57:50.000 CuriousMishap says, Tim is 200% right on the suicide angle.

01:57:54.000 Taking away the gun doesn't do much of anything.

01:57:56.000 Butter knives don't work. 0.99

01:57:58.000 Wow.

01:57:58.000 They say they tried and battled severe depression their entire life.

01:58:01.000 Banning never works.

01:58:02.000 Prohibition anyone?

01:58:04.000 I knew someone that took a bunch of pills to die, but then it didn't kill them and they were glad it didn't kill them.

01:58:09.000 But I think a shotgun probably would have got the job done and maybe they would have regretted it.

01:58:13.000 Kim, they're enjoying that you're from California and pointing out the problems of California.

01:58:18.000 WillYouTeachMe says, I love to see Californians complain.

01:58:21.000 But I don't think it's fair because I think you're a smart and reasonable person, so pointing out the problems of what's going on and being critical of it is exactly what we need from California.

01:58:29.000 LockDie says, you can make an AR-15 with a drill press from Amazon.

01:58:33.000 The instructions exist online and has been for a very long time.

01:58:36.000 Yeah.

01:58:38.000 All right, where are we at?

01:58:40.000 Jesse says, you saved my business, Tim.

01:58:42.000 Due to me listening to your pending economy shutdown, I was stocked up on supplies to prepare for it.

01:58:47.000 Thank you.

01:58:48.000 Kim Iverson has changed my mind on many topics.

01:58:50.000 Please have her on again as one Tim IRL is not enough.

01:58:54.000 Time for the open dialogue with her.

01:58:56.000 Very nice.

01:58:57.000 Thank you.

01:58:57.000 Yeah, people were saying that you were the queen in the chat earlier.

01:59:00.000 Cause I'm getting hate mail in my inbox.

01:59:00.000 Oh, really?

01:59:05.000 You know, people need to, I just, it's like, be polite.

01:59:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:10.000 Like be nice.

01:59:11.000 If I think if people disagree with what you're saying, obviously I think a lot of people who watch me agree with what I say.

01:59:15.000 That's why they watch the show.

01:59:17.000 But I think if they disagree with a guest or you, the answer is like, Hey Kim, I thought you were great.

01:59:20.000 Thanks for coming on Tim's show and being willing to have an open dialogue.

01:59:23.000 I'd like to discuss with you these ideas.

01:59:24.000 I found this weird phenomenon where if you are saying something that is complex and other people don't understand it, they'll look at you and say, they're not making any sense. 0.98

01:59:35.000 They're an idiot because they don't understand it. 0.97

01:59:38.000 And so to not take as much of that stuff personally, usually. 1.00

01:59:41.000 Well, I mean, I at this point can't take anything personal.

01:59:44.000 But this one person in particular is getting mad saying that they didn't like my, this is what I'm confused about.

01:59:49.000 Because he says he doesn't like my viewpoint on Second Amendment saying that I don't know anything, you know, here I am trying to take everybody's rights away.

01:59:55.000 But I thought I made it really clear that I was as pro Second Amendment almost at one point an extremist on it.

02:00:02.000 Where I was like, I want to have a nuke if the government can have a nuke.

02:00:05.000 And so I'm not one who is for taking away weapons of any kind.

02:00:09.000 So it's kind of a funny, like, to get mad.

02:00:11.000 What was it exactly that made them believe I want to take rights away?

02:00:15.000 And I'll clarify, too, if, like, I don't want everyone in New York to be having a gun.

02:00:19.000 I think it would be a lot of chaos.

02:00:21.000 However, so long as the Constitution exists, you can't just choose to erase it.

02:00:25.000 So I don't know what to say to somebody when they're like, I have a right to do it.

02:00:28.000 I'm like, that's true.

02:00:29.000 It's in the Constitution.

02:00:30.000 I can read it.

02:00:31.000 So, I personally don't like it.

02:00:35.000 I am not the king of this country and I can't snap my fingers and make anybody do anything.

02:00:39.000 Until we make our own country that we talked about, right?

02:00:41.000 Then you can be king.

02:00:42.000 Well, you have to be the ace, sorry.

02:00:44.000 You're the ace of spades on that.

02:00:45.000 If we buy a plot of land and make our own, like, Timsville or whatever, everybody needs to be armed because a well-regulated militia is required for the survival of our free state.

02:00:54.000 Is it gonna be like Hunger Games or something?

02:00:56.000 No, it's gonna be like, you know, if a bear shows up.

02:00:58.000 Hunger Games.

02:00:59.000 We have to protect ourselves from the bear, I guess.

02:01:01.000 Army shows up?

02:01:01.000 What if the U.S.

02:01:03.000 Well, I don't like it.

02:01:04.000 If the U.S.

02:01:05.000 Army shows up, we smile and wave and say, hi, gentlemen, how's it going?

02:01:09.000 We shake their hand and then we tell them.

02:01:10.000 Give me your stuff.

02:01:12.000 I mean, I don't think... You belong to us now.

02:01:13.000 They're not going to take our stuff.

02:01:15.000 They're gonna be like, just pay your taxes.

02:01:16.000 Sovereign nation, U.S.

02:01:17.000 Army not taking a sovereign nation's stuff.

02:01:20.000 Imagine that.

02:01:20.000 Here's what we'll do.

02:01:22.000 We'll start the sovereign nation.

02:01:23.000 And then when everyone's like, you're just people living in America pretending it's a sovereign nation.

02:01:28.000 No, no.

02:01:30.000 We're not paying taxes.

02:01:31.000 We're just paying America for security, defense, access, roads.

02:01:35.000 And so it's just our nation is supplying, you know, a payment, a percentage of our GDP, like all these other countries are supposed to be doing for NATO.

02:01:45.000 See?

02:01:45.000 But literally it's just us living in a field and paying taxes.

02:01:48.000 We'll build like the United Arab Emirates of the United States. 0.99

02:01:51.000 Like a small community of super high-tech development.

02:01:55.000 Although we shouldn't have to pay property tax.

02:01:57.000 I'm totally and completely against property tax.

02:01:59.000 We could start a religion.

02:02:00.000 I think it should be totally banned.

02:02:01.000 L. Ron Hubbard did it.

02:02:02.000 So let's be a religion.

02:02:03.000 Then you have to be for a church.

02:02:05.000 I like church.

02:02:07.000 All right, let's see.

02:02:08.000 Ryan Einstetter says the mailroom job wouldn't get a pay raise.

02:02:11.000 It would become a sub 40 hour per week part-time job.

02:02:14.000 Come on guys, this isn't hard to see.

02:02:15.000 Take your heads out of the clouds.

02:02:16.000 But why would a sub 40 hour a dollar a week not get a pay raise?

02:02:20.000 Right.

02:02:21.000 Because it would still be tied to no matter how many hours they work.

02:02:24.000 Hourly wages would go up.

02:02:27.000 Yeah, I think there's something to that.

02:02:29.000 talking about raising the minimum wage are looking at the problem backwards.

02:02:32.000 Why is the cost of living shot far past wages?

02:02:35.000 It's federal reserve inflation.

02:02:36.000 Abolish the fed costs will drop.

02:02:38.000 Yeah.

02:02:39.000 I think everyone's just like, yes.

02:02:40.000 Yeah.

02:02:41.000 I think there's something to that.

02:02:42.000 Yeah.

02:02:43.000 It's basically that so long as they can keep printing money in the way they do,

02:02:46.000 they can extract value from us, spend it on whatever they want, and we just

02:02:50.000 get poorer every single day.

02:02:52.000 And they loan it to us at interest, which is crazy.

02:02:54.000 Those promissory notes.

02:02:56.000 Riley Luan says, Tim, huge problem with even a progressive tax.

02:02:59.000 When rich get taxed, they offset by increasing price of their product, making us pay the tax.

02:03:05.000 True to a certain extent, it's not so simple to say that because there's a limit to what people are willing to pay for certain products.

02:03:11.000 It may drive inflation for sure for that reason, but it's tough.

02:03:16.000 I like the idea of the progressive tax for the reasons stated, but ultimately I think it won't work because giving the government money doesn't solve the problem.

02:03:22.000 It actually makes war worse.

02:03:23.000 But also, most billionaires I don't think have a product, so they wouldn't even be able to do that.

02:03:28.000 That's not how they're rich.

02:03:29.000 You see, Evil Black Cat says, it's amazing listening to this.

02:03:33.000 While all of you seem to recognize the core problem is the government having all the power, you keep mentally evading it while advocating for more government power.

02:03:40.000 Mental ouroboros.

02:03:42.000 I literally said I like the idea of a progressive tax, but giving the money to the government doesn't solve the problem.

02:03:47.000 You also have to define the government.

02:03:49.000 Well, the US government is just a monopoly.

02:03:51.000 It's a representation of the people.

02:03:53.000 Supposed to be.

02:03:56.000 If 99% of us went and did something, that would be the government doing it.

02:04:00.000 I don't think so, no.

02:04:03.000 They're all part of it.

02:04:04.000 Part of us.

02:04:05.000 There are a lot of things the American people don't like and oppose, but the government just doesn't care.

02:04:09.000 They're just disorganized.

02:04:10.000 If we were more organized...

02:04:11.000 We just have a government that's not representative of the people right now, but if it were representative of the people, then it wouldn't be such a problem of them having power, because it would be the people having power, right?

02:04:20.000 Zanzibar says, statists that complain about morodes are anti-capitalist.

02:04:25.000 We were supposed to have flying cars by now, and it's those people keeping us grounded.

02:04:29.000 Follow Zanzibar underscore Daleks and happy belated birthday, Tim. Thank you very much.

02:04:33.000 Anthony Hamilton says, Tim, thank you for being real.

02:04:36.000 Can you please look into Massachusetts?

02:04:38.000 We are just playing follow the leader and nothing is wrong. 0.99

02:04:40.000 It's pathetic. 0.95

02:04:41.000 Please look into it. 0.98

02:04:42.000 Okay.

02:04:42.000 It needs exposure.

02:04:43.000 Like the whole state?

02:04:46.000 I guess something's going on with lockdowns or whatever.

02:04:48.000 Baron of Gray Matter says, it is against the law to discuss your salary with other employees.

02:04:52.000 I'm German.

02:04:53.000 You're horribly wrong about this.

02:04:55.000 Oh.

02:04:56.000 Maybe they can't discuss it with one another, but I do know that it's transparent.

02:05:03.000 I'm not familiar with German wage law.

02:05:05.000 Forest Mommy says I have a concierge doctor.

02:05:07.000 $1,000 a year.

02:05:08.000 All-in office visits covered.

02:05:10.000 One-on-one care.

02:05:11.000 Test set cost.

02:05:12.000 It's great.

02:05:13.000 36 with no health issues or prescriptions.

02:05:15.000 Need more of it.

02:05:16.000 Efficient business.

02:05:20.000 Uh-huh.

02:05:21.000 and things like that. MLD says I didn't go to college because I didn't think it

02:05:27.000 was smart to take on that debt. Now my taxes should go to pay off debt for

02:05:31.000 people who voluntarily took on that debt that can't pay and I have to compete

02:05:35.000 with them for my next job. I say no good sir. I say we get rid of the compounded

02:05:40.000 interest so they have to pay back what they borrowed and that's it. What if

02:05:45.000 what if the loan system was you had to pay back only on inflation? So no

02:05:51.000 It was basically just like you had to pay back the inflated value, I suppose.

02:05:56.000 Oh, that's even better than the interest.

02:05:59.000 The interest is what's real.

02:05:59.000 No, that probably wouldn't work either.

02:06:01.000 No, that would work.

02:06:02.000 You think so?

02:06:02.000 So like if you borrowed 30 grand and then like each year it just adds like, you know, 1%?

02:06:06.000 Yeah, something.

02:06:07.000 It just, it increases.

02:06:09.000 You just pay back 30 plus whatever the rate of inflation was.

02:06:13.000 Yeah.

02:06:15.000 Makes sense.

02:06:15.000 Especially for government-backed student loans, that's exactly how it should be.

02:06:18.000 Now, private loan, maybe they can get away with something, but... Superman, if he wasn't scared of green rocks, says, Tim, can you wish Stacey Herbert happy birthday and give a shout-out to the Orange Pill YouTube channel?

02:06:28.000 You talking about Max Keiser is the reason why I got into Bitcoin.

02:06:32.000 Stacey, happy birthday, and shout-out to Stacey and Max and the Orange Pill podcast.

02:06:37.000 If you guys want to learn about Bitcoin, And you want to stop being poor, then you should definitely check out Max's podcast, the Orange Pill podcast.

02:06:44.000 He has this really funny meme.

02:06:46.000 It's like a picture of him laughing.

02:06:47.000 It says, have fun staying poor for like the people who don't buy Bitcoin.

02:06:52.000 And I'll just put it this way.

02:06:53.000 If you had been a fan of Max Keiser and watched his show and trusted him, you would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars right now.

02:06:59.000 And I'm not exaggerating.

02:07:01.000 There was a point where I guess there's like a story about how Max gave Alex Jones like 10,000 Bitcoin or something and then Alex lost it because people didn't listen.

02:07:08.000 They didn't believe him and he was right the whole time.

02:07:11.000 I want to shout out Stacy.

02:07:12.000 You are amazing.

02:07:13.000 Thank you for being Max's life.

02:07:14.000 You have made him organized in a way he never could have done on his own.

02:07:19.000 I love you, Max.

02:07:19.000 You guys are rock stars.

02:07:20.000 I wish back then when Max was yelling about buying Bitcoin, I just did it and I didn't and I didn't and I've known the guy for a long time and it's like, Man, if I had a time machine, if I could send a message back in time, send it to the man, buy a thousand Bitcoin, just do it.

02:07:33.000 Maybe you're just talking to yourself in modern day.

02:07:35.000 Maybe you're receiving the message right now, buy Bitcoin.

02:07:37.000 I know, and I'm still not doing it.

02:07:38.000 Do it, do it.

02:07:40.000 Don't wait.

02:07:41.000 Oh, man.

02:07:41.000 All right, let's see.

02:07:43.000 Where are we?

02:07:43.000 Let's find a good super chat.

02:07:44.000 What do we got?

02:07:45.000 Frank says, Tim, you're from Chicago.

02:07:47.000 You should know it's not what you know, it's who you know.

02:07:49.000 Oh yeah, in Chicago, in many of these blue places, these states, you can get a gun if you got the right connections.

02:07:57.000 The connection to Gary, Indiana, right?

02:08:00.000 No, like if you want to legally own a gun and walk around Chicago, then just if you know the right people, they can get you through that process.

02:08:07.000 So what ends up happening is wealthy individuals and celebrities in like these certain states, these blue states like New Jersey, like, you know, Illinois or Maryland or California, if you have access, Yeah, you can easily get a gun.

02:08:19.000 They just shuffle your request to the front of the paperwork.

02:08:22.000 Basically.

02:08:22.000 So it's like in some of these states, you need to have a justification for why you need to be able to bear arms.

02:08:29.000 And it's like, I'm rich.

02:08:30.000 And they go, okay, I'm famous.

02:08:32.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:08:33.000 Regular person?

02:08:34.000 Of course not.

02:08:35.000 Your constitutional rights are meaningless, pleb. 1.00

02:08:39.000 Turtleburger says, I don't think you should be able to take out a student loan amount for more than one year's average starting pay of that degree.

02:08:44.000 I think that would make people choose more carefully and bring down tuition.

02:08:48.000 Hmm.

02:08:49.000 Or maybe, I don't know, people have to get jobs while they're in school and they can't take out the loans for the full cost of tuition, or we need to stop guaranteeing it so that the price of schools go down.

02:08:59.000 Some degrees, they don't let you get a job.

02:09:01.000 Yeah, I tried to get a job.

02:09:03.000 Well, I did have a job while I was in college.

02:09:04.000 I couldn't do class, the job, and the theater shows.

02:09:07.000 I had to pick two of the three.

02:09:09.000 Same with music, you couldn't do it.

02:09:10.000 But law school, I don't think they even let you get a job while you're in law school.

02:09:13.000 Yeah, there's some programs they will not let you work.

02:09:15.000 And same, I think, with medical school.

02:09:16.000 You're not allowed.

02:09:17.000 Wolfolt DeLeon says, Kim, your mom loves Trump.

02:09:21.000 What do you think of him?

02:09:23.000 Well, like, I mean, I think he's anti, you know, I'm an anti-establishment person.

02:09:30.000 So I started off really hating Trump.

02:09:33.000 I definitely had Trump derangement syndrome in the beginning.

02:09:36.000 You were cured.

02:09:39.000 Yeah, I was, and I also had, you know, I was very establishment, I think, in my viewpoints in the beginning, like a while ago before I really started researching.

02:09:46.000 Like in the 90s?

02:09:47.000 No, like, I would say when, in 2016 even, you know, I was more progressive.

02:09:53.000 I liked Bernie Sanders, but I think I just kind of fell into the establishment narrative.

02:09:58.000 But then the more research I did, I was like, oh my gosh, the establishment is such a problem.

02:10:01.000 And with Trump, I think I started with Trump derangement syndrome.

02:10:04.000 But then through time, I found myself having to defend him over and over again, which really upset a lot of my viewers.

02:10:12.000 But it was because the left had gone so deranged on him.

02:10:16.000 And then I think as I started to defend him, I almost had sympathy for him, right?

02:10:20.000 Because I'd be like, they're just making stuff up.

02:10:24.000 And so really, I just saw a guy that You know, I don't hate him and I don't love him, but I did think that he would have been better than Biden getting in office.

02:10:34.000 I was very anti-Biden.

02:10:35.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:10:36.000 I agree.

02:10:37.000 David Marcella says, please tell Ian an armed society is a polite society.

02:10:41.000 I've heard that before.

02:10:42.000 Oh, wow.

02:10:43.000 Drew the RN says, please bring Kim on as staff. 1.00

02:10:46.000 I see some people really enjoy your business.

02:10:50.000 Sorry, Lydia, I'm getting your job. 0.99

02:10:51.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:54.000 Loot says, stop the Fed from giving money to all the banks at 0% interest.

02:10:58.000 Make banks get their capital from their account holders.

02:11:00.000 Pay us interest again.

02:11:02.000 Interesting.

02:11:02.000 That'd be cool.

02:11:03.000 All right, let's do a couple more.

02:11:04.000 Let's see.

02:11:05.000 Where are we at?

02:11:07.000 Jonathan Duger says, freedom is sloppy.

02:11:10.000 Suicide isn't going to stop without guns.

02:11:12.000 Freedom is sloppy.

02:11:13.000 It's tough stuff.

02:11:16.000 We'll do one more.

02:11:17.000 LucasGZ says you should do a Super Chat giveaway.

02:11:19.000 What does that mean?

02:11:20.000 Maybe giveaway t-shirts or something?

02:11:22.000 I can be your first winner.

02:11:23.000 Oh, okay.

02:11:23.000 Yeah, maybe, yeah.

02:11:24.000 We have a bunch of the Diamond Hands Gorilla shirts coming in.

02:11:26.000 We should make that guy the first winner, too, for bringing that up.

02:11:29.000 LucasGZ, how do we contact Lucas?

02:11:32.000 Not sure.

02:11:33.000 He'd have to email us at spintheufo at gmail.com.

02:11:36.000 You're going to get all kinds of Lucas.

02:11:39.000 Every single person.

02:11:40.000 But he also adds Ian for vice president.

02:11:43.000 Oh! 0.60

02:11:43.000 Just vice president? 0.60

02:11:44.000 My voice is crazy cracking.

02:11:45.000 Well, you've got to be the president first.

02:11:46.000 No, it would be Trump-Crossland.

02:11:49.000 Oh, interesting.

02:11:50.000 All right, my friends, we are going to have a crazy spacey conversation about like tarot or like astrology and like the secrets of my, I want to learn the secrets of how I'm an ace of spades and how that gives me psychic powers.

02:12:03.000 So that's going to be over at TimCast.com and just, you know, it should be up in about an hour or so, but make sure to follow me on all social media platforms.

02:12:10.000 Why do I keep doing that?

02:12:12.000 Also, social media platforms at Timcast.

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02:12:18.000 This show is live Monday to Friday at 8 p.m.

02:12:20.000 So smash that like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify or any other podcast platform, leave us those good five-star reviews and talk about how awesome we are because it really, really does help.

02:12:30.000 It does.

02:12:31.000 Do you want to shout out anything else, Kim?

02:12:33.000 You need to just follow my YouTube, please, because I'm being super suppressed and they haven't let me gain a single subscriber in about a year, so I'd like to see if this works.

02:12:43.000 So if a bunch of you will subscribe, then maybe we'll see if I can break through that algorithm in some way.

02:12:48.000 It's always important that, you know, People who want to get more content from Kim, subscribe to the channel.

02:12:55.000 Make sure you actually go and watch it.

02:12:57.000 The algorithm is a nasty beast.

02:13:00.000 You gotta be careful.

02:13:01.000 Click the thumbs up buttons when you pop into the video, even if you only watch it for a short period of time.

02:13:05.000 Always smash the like button.

02:13:06.000 That's what you need.

02:13:07.000 You need people to smash the like button for you.

02:13:09.000 Yeah, I think it's all... And the notification bell helps.

02:13:11.000 Yeah, I don't know if there's anything that helps me, I mean, but yeah, go to Kim Iverson, YouTube, you know, subscribe, smash, all that stuff.

02:13:18.000 Smash! 1.00

02:13:19.000 Crush! 0.88

02:13:20.000 Crush! 0.88

02:13:21.000 Devastate!

02:13:23.000 Ian?

02:13:23.000 Hey guys, thank you so much for coming.

02:13:25.000 I love you.

02:13:25.000 Ian Crossland, you can follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to check out all my socials, and I have a merchandise store that's pretty cool.

02:13:31.000 I'll be adding more stuff there in the future.

02:13:33.000 Thanks for coming.

02:13:34.000 Yeah, so I think that Kim should be on the other side of the camera. 1.00

02:13:37.000 I don't think you should be over here pushing buttons if we didn't bring you on.

02:13:40.000 I think that'd be great.

02:13:41.000 Oh, look at her, trying to save her job. 1.00

02:13:42.000 I know, it's true.

02:13:43.000 That's what I say.

02:13:44.000 I love my job.

02:13:45.000 I was going to say, too, that a harpoon gun is not considered firearm.

02:13:48.000 Firearms have to have gunpowder, I suppose, apparently, according to Reddit, which knows everything.

02:13:53.000 So Ian was right.

02:13:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:13:56.000 Full auto, belt fed.

02:13:58.000 Now we're talking.

02:13:58.000 Harpoon gun?

02:13:59.000 Harpoon gun.

02:13:59.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:14:01.000 Swing for your life.

02:14:03.000 Anyway, I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and on Mines, and I am Real Sour Patch Lids on Instagram and Gab, so follow me there.

02:14:10.000 We will be back at TimCast.com with an exclusive segment talking about this weird secrets of what it means to be an Ace of Spades and... Destiny cards.

02:14:20.000 Destiny cards.

02:14:21.000 That's what it is.

02:14:21.000 Destiny cards.

02:14:22.000 The secrets of the universe.

02:14:23.000 We'll see you all there, and thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 12, 2021

Timcast IRL - Antifa Storms Banks in Portland, Try To Break Into Federal Building w-Kim Iversen

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