Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Australia Deploys Military To Enforce COVID lockdown, US May Be NEXT w-Wilfred Reilly

00:00:00.000 Hey Ian!

00:00:21.000 Yes, Tim.

00:00:21.000 How would you define martial law?

00:00:25.000 When the military authority overrides civil authority.

00:00:29.000 What does that mean?

00:00:31.000 What does that mean?

00:00:32.000 Basically, the generals start calling the shots.

00:00:34.000 The generals start calling the shots?

00:00:35.000 Or the commander, the president, yeah.

00:00:37.000 Where do you get the definition from?

00:00:38.000 That was just off the top of my head, based on what I've known through video games and history.

00:00:42.000 What if the military gets deployed to enforce special non-civilian law?

00:00:47.000 Is that martial law?

00:00:49.000 Ooh, wow.

00:00:51.000 Sounds like it.

00:00:52.000 So let's say they suspend civilian law, impose special laws, and then the military comes to enforce those special laws.

00:01:01.000 Yeah, that sounds exactly like it.

00:01:02.000 You think it's martial law?

00:01:03.000 Yeah.

00:01:04.000 According to at least one report that I was reading from the U.S.

00:01:07.000 government, we cited on TimCast.com, martial law requires a military commander to assume authority to create or execute laws.

00:01:16.000 And so what's happening in Australia doesn't officially count as martial law.

00:01:20.000 Though many people are saying it is because the military has been deployed in Sydney To enforce the lockdowns, and that's one way of putting it.

00:01:28.000 The other way to put it is Australia has called in the military to suppress protests against the lockdowns.

00:01:34.000 It's getting hot, to say the least.

00:01:37.000 We've got a bunch of other news, too.

00:01:38.000 I mean, on top of that, in the United States, there's talk of vaccine mandates for federal employees.

00:01:42.000 Now, I believe the firefighters union is saying no to this.

00:01:46.000 The postal workers union is saying no to this.

00:01:48.000 There's talk about maybe a national mandate in general, and now the White House is pushing back saying, no, no, no, we're not going to do that.

00:01:53.000 It's not going to happen.

00:01:55.000 The New York Times has come out with a story saying vaccinated people can spread the Delta variant just as easily as unvaccinated people, which has sparked a major controversy as the White House and other officials are claiming the New York Times is fake news and they're publishing misinformation.

00:02:08.000 And then the Washington Post published something similar, so... Hey, YouTube!

00:02:12.000 I don't know what's true anymore, so I'll just say whatever YouTube says in their official rules is the truth, and talk to your doctor.

00:02:19.000 Well, we'll talk about this.

00:02:20.000 And we'll talk about what's happening in the political landscape, what's going on with this and these other countries.

00:02:24.000 And we are being joined by a professor of political science, Wilford Reilly.

00:02:28.000 Great to be here, Gus.

00:02:29.000 Will the beast.

00:02:30.000 Woof.

00:02:31.000 Do you want to just briefly introduce yourself?

00:02:35.000 Yeah, I'm Wilfred Reilly.

00:02:37.000 I'm an associate professor of political science at Kentucky State University.

00:02:41.000 I'm probably a bit better known as the author of the books Hate, Crime, Hoax, and Taboo.

00:02:46.000 And I'm glad to be here live with you guys tonight.

00:02:49.000 Right on.

00:02:50.000 I'm pretty sure I've cited your book and some of your writings before on, you know, talking about hate crime hoaxes and things like that.

00:02:55.000 So.

00:02:56.000 A good logical move.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:02:58.000 Absolutely.

00:02:58.000 That's why you're here.

00:03:00.000 And we'll talk about a lot of what's going on.

00:03:02.000 I just asked Ian a question.

00:03:02.000 Of course.

00:03:03.000 He's sitting here.

00:03:04.000 That was exciting.

00:03:05.000 That was exciting.

00:03:06.000 That intro there?

00:03:06.000 Yeah.

00:03:07.000 How would you define martial law?

00:03:09.000 Um, I think that the simplest definition, because you're going back in political science over different sorts of civilization, would be the military taking over day-to-day administration, deciding whether or not you get to do regular, ordinary things.

00:03:23.000 I mean, definitely some of the COVID policy in, for example, Australia, I mean, is approaching that level where you see, I mean, you know, tanks moving around in the streets to prevent people from coming outside and that sort of thing.

00:03:35.000 So it's a flexible definition.

00:03:37.000 I could get into some really eye-glazing wonkery here.

00:03:39.000 It depends on the legal code in each one of those countries.

00:03:42.000 But in essence, the law that governs the military, what's in that fat green book they give you in the army, governs the civilians.

00:03:49.000 The army's running the country.

00:03:50.000 There is, though, in the U.S., they say, civilians will not be tried in military tribunals or military courts.

00:03:56.000 So it's basically just, at least as the U.S.

00:03:58.000 defines it, or has in the past, commander takes over, asserts nearly supreme authority, and civilian law is suspended.

00:04:05.000 Well, we'll get into all that stuff.

00:04:06.000 Ian, welcome.

00:04:07.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:04:08.000 Well, hello.

00:04:08.000 Thank you.

00:04:09.000 Lady's pressing all the buttons. 1.00

00:04:10.000 I am also here in the corner.

00:04:11.000 I'm very excited for tonight's guest.

00:04:13.000 He's exceedingly eloquent, and I'm really looking forward to what he has to say.

00:04:16.000 So, welcome, everyone.

00:04:17.000 Professor.

00:04:17.000 Yeah, I'm excited.

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00:05:00.000 Here's the first story we got from TimCast.com.

00:05:02.000 Australia sends their military to enforce coronavirus lockdowns in Sydney.

00:05:07.000 NPR reports the military's help is needed to enforce the restrictions because a small minority of people thought the rules didn't apply to them.

00:05:14.000 New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott told Australia's Channel 9.

00:05:18.000 Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has come in for heavy criticism in recent weeks over the slow pace of vaccinations in Australia, where about 14% have been fully dosed.

00:05:28.000 One of the poorest records among any member country of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

00:05:34.000 So when they say a small minority thinks the rules don't apply to them, did they mean by that 86%?

00:05:38.000 Because that doesn't sound like a small minority to me.

00:05:41.000 Now here's the fascinating part.

00:05:43.000 Of course they're bringing in the military.

00:05:45.000 Morrison said, if you get vaccinated, there will be special rules that apply to you.

00:05:49.000 Why?

00:05:50.000 Because if you're vaccinated, you present less of a public health risk.

00:05:53.000 You are less likely to get the virus.

00:05:56.000 You are less likely to transmit it, the Prime Minister told reporters on Friday, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

00:06:01.000 Well, now, according to the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Daily Mail and many other outlets, You are not less likely to transmit it.

00:06:08.000 So I don't know.

00:06:10.000 That's what they said.

00:06:11.000 I'm not gonna say they're right.

00:06:11.000 I don't know what YouTube's rules are.

00:06:13.000 They're all crazy.

00:06:14.000 I will point this out though. 0.97

00:06:16.000 You may have noticed in the past week there were crazy protests.

00:06:19.000 Do you see these?

00:06:19.000 There's crazy protests all over Sydney.

00:06:21.000 Thousands of people were in the streets in Sydney and like London.

00:06:24.000 Yeah.

00:06:25.000 Um, this is not about a small minority of people that are defying.

00:06:29.000 This is about thousands of people in the streets.

00:06:31.000 Chaos erupts in Sydney as anti-lockdown protesters clash with police.

00:06:35.000 There was another story that said basically the same thing.

00:06:37.000 Chaos in Sydney because regular people were going on with their lives as though there was no lockdown.

00:06:42.000 So what did they do?

00:06:43.000 Chaotic, huh?

00:06:44.000 People just continue to do their thing.

00:06:46.000 So what did they do?

00:06:48.000 Deployed the military.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, I mean, so first of all, I think there's a lot of competition in this race, in these lanes, but Australia seems to have had one of the craziest reactions to COVID-19 of any major state.

00:07:01.000 I mean, I don't ever want to give incorrect figures, but the day-over-day rolling death average there is, it's below nine, I know that.

00:07:07.000 It's an extremely extraordinary... I think it's way lower.

00:07:10.000 Yeah, it could be.

00:07:12.000 That's the most liberal estimate I've ever heard sort of past year.

00:07:15.000 The vaccine is available.

00:07:17.000 The thing with COVID-19 is that not everyone is at equal risk from COVID-19.

00:07:22.000 I mean, that's mundane as hell, but it bears repeating.

00:07:25.000 I mean, Tim, you pointed this out to me before the show.

00:07:27.000 I mean, the total number of people under 40 that have died from COVID, 9,000 or something like that?

00:07:35.000 It's like 9,700 and something.

00:07:36.000 I don't have the full numbers, but it's in the 9,000s.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, the total number of individuals under 18, at least in the USA, because we keep hearing about the children that have died from or with COVID-19, is under 600.

00:07:47.000 It's 331.

00:07:48.000 Yeah, that's a population of 75 million.

00:07:51.000 So, I mean, the question with Australia is, have they gotten most of their seniors and their very vulnerable people vaccinated?

00:07:57.000 I happen to know they have.

00:07:58.000 I mean, that's where they targeted that first chunk of vaccine that got up to around 15%

00:08:02.000 of the population.

00:08:03.000 So the question is, can you keep healthy, younger people that are mostly at very low 0.99

00:08:10.000 risk of death, frankly, from COVID-19 or even hospitalization at home for months and years

00:08:16.000 at a time to prevent nine deaths a week or whatever?

00:08:21.000 I guess max that number per day in a country the size of California, Texas.

00:08:26.000 I would say no.

00:08:27.000 I mean, that seems utterly bizarre in terms of how we look at liberty.

00:08:30.000 There's a, well, do they have any there?

00:08:32.000 A lot of people are making the joke that's like, ah, former penal colony.

00:08:34.000 Ha ha.

00:08:35.000 Okay, well, you know.

00:08:37.000 Perhaps, I guess?

00:08:38.000 You know, I was thinking about this, and maybe there is something to that.

00:08:41.000 We, as Americans, fought for our independence to win it.

00:08:45.000 People in Australia, it was part of, you know, I don't know the full history of Australia, but you know, penal colony.

00:08:50.000 I don't know their full, the numbers for Australia, I can only really speak to the U.S., but I will say that there was this viral video that was, I just put it, crazy and hilarious, I suppose?

00:09:01.000 It's a news report of Australia, where they're like, one person has been infected!

00:09:05.000 Oh yeah.

00:09:06.000 We'll be locking down for the next month!

00:09:08.000 And it's like, wait, what?

00:09:09.000 It's like, wow, people have gone really over the top with this stuff.

00:09:14.000 I tell you, I see some of these stories, and I'm like, if there was anything... If I was trying to advise any of these people to, like, discourage vaccination, I'd be like, keep doing what you're doing, this is a great... No, they're trying to get people to get the vaccine.

00:09:28.000 But they're just doing basically the opposite.

00:09:30.000 You think when you have 14% of your population getting vaccinated, sending in the military is going to make them think you have their best interest at heart?

00:09:37.000 Nah, the opposite.

00:09:39.000 Because you go this route, there's no turning back.

00:09:42.000 Now you have dedicated yourself to authoritarianism, you have sacrificed your trust and credibility, where can you go after that?

00:09:49.000 Well, I mean, you can go some ugly places, but actually, this is to me by far the most disturbing thing about COVID-19.

00:09:56.000 I mean, the things that the citizenry has allowed to be kind of placed on the table.

00:10:02.000 Um, so even before the vaccination, I mean, in, in the USA, something like 2.8 to 3.1 million people die every year.

00:10:11.000 I mean, that's, that's damn close to 10,000 a day.

00:10:13.000 It's eight or 9,000.

00:10:14.000 So even at the peak of COVID-19, I had no objection at that time to wearing a mask.

00:10:18.000 I actually got one that works, which most people didn't, but you're not seeing a devastating world ending plague.

00:10:25.000 Like, even at the peak of COVID-19, there's no evidence, really, if you look at the Western European studies, the major pieces that were actually published in journals, that lockdowns worked better than sort of well-done NPI.

00:10:36.000 You know, stay home if you feel sick, quarantine the sick, clean your body, that kind of thing.

00:10:41.000 But now with the vaccine out, and in most of these countries, including Australia, the truly vulnerable vaccinated, you're seeing these utterly bizarre moves.

00:10:51.000 Like, what you described is a factual situation.

00:10:53.000 There was one infection, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that wasn't a death.

00:10:56.000 That wasn't a hospitalization.

00:10:57.000 I don't know the full news story they were talking about, just like some viral video where they mentioned a guy got infected.

00:11:00.000 Someone got sick, and I think he was hospitalized, but they're not dead and they're not going to be.

00:11:04.000 And so they locked down 900,000 people.

00:11:06.000 That's New South Wales.

00:11:08.000 I mean, that's a region that's roughly comparable to one of the Dakotas.

00:11:11.000 It's a huge state, decent number of people in it.

00:11:15.000 I think if this is possible in reaction to that level of risk, like one, let's say, death means 900,000 incarcerations for three months, it would be very, very difficult for these Western societies to do anything functional going forward.

00:11:30.000 Not even the stereotypical war with China, but what are we going to do about climate change?

00:11:34.000 Like, this stuff's not off the table.

00:11:36.000 Like, I foresee climate lockdowns being a very real possibility.

00:11:39.000 They've already talked about it.

00:11:40.000 Masks next flu season.

00:11:41.000 And at some point, people are just going to have to say, no, I'm going to vote for the conservative party or even the libertarians or whatever is necessary to... Crazy stuff.

00:11:49.000 Whatever is necessary to kind of get this... You should not stop living your life because someone else might die.

00:11:57.000 That way lies a society with no cars, you know, so on down the line.

00:12:00.000 Some people do think this is the climate lockdown.

00:12:02.000 We saw very early on, after a couple weeks of the lockdown, the New York Times posted that story saying the Earth is healing.

00:12:09.000 And people started talking, a bunch of articles emerged about pollution and everything clearing up.

00:12:14.000 And then a lot of people said they're probably exploiting the crisis because they have the climate change agenda.

00:12:20.000 But then, you know, I wonder... First, you know, I'll say this.

00:12:24.000 I don't trust the powerful political establishment and elite.

00:12:27.000 They claim climate change is a disaster, but they buy beachfront property and things like that.

00:12:31.000 So, part of me wonders, though... We talked about this the other night with the windshield phenomenon.

00:12:36.000 Have you ever heard of that?

00:12:37.000 Uh, no, no, I haven't, frankly.

00:12:38.000 frankly. People have started to notice that when they drive their cars, there's

00:12:42.000 less insects than there used to be.

00:12:43.000 And so it's called the windshield phenomenon.

00:12:46.000 And they've done studies where they found like an 80 percent reduction in over

00:12:50.000 over from 2017 to 2021.

00:12:53.000 I think that's what those are the dates.

00:12:54.000 Yeah. They found a reduction of 80 percent in insect populations hitting

00:12:58.000 windshields. And a lot of people think that what you can get grants for in

00:13:03.000 science, by the way, is absolutely amazing.

00:13:05.000 Bro, I mean, that's got to be at least a million dollar project.

00:13:07.000 Well, sure, sure.

00:13:08.000 A waste of money.

00:13:09.000 And not a waste of money in terms of doing the study, though.

00:13:13.000 But you know they wasted money when they did the study.

00:13:15.000 It's like, how much money do you need to drive the car back and forth for four years?

00:13:18.000 A million dollars.

00:13:19.000 Because we're going to hire someone to drive...

00:13:21.000 We're going to do this driving in Barbados, home of the next American, you know, etymological association conference.

00:13:28.000 Right, right, right.

00:13:29.000 Yeah, but but isn't there something that's scary to that?

00:13:31.000 And, you know, that's what I'm worried about.

00:13:32.000 What if what if there is an ecological collapse?

00:13:35.000 And that's why they're they're actually locking everything down.

00:13:38.000 I mean, would we want to just.

00:13:40.000 You know, eat and fart ourselves to death like yeast in a bottle?

00:13:43.000 Or would we need some collective action to stave something off?

00:13:46.000 Or at the worst, are there ideologues who believe a doomsday scenario who have seized the reins of power and are imposing their cult-like ideology over everybody else?

00:13:55.000 That's a fascinating, a bit of a leading question there, something we're both skeptical about in our leadership around the world.

00:14:00.000 But in reality, so there are a couple of different elements to this. 0.99

00:14:03.000 First of all, I am not a conspiracy theorist because I think most people are stupid. 0.96

00:14:07.000 I mean, we're both from Chicago, I believe both from that South Side area. 0.99

00:14:10.000 Oh yeah, where by?

00:14:12.000 I was born in the Bridgeport area of the city.

00:14:14.000 I moved north to Wicker Park pre-gentrification.

00:14:14.000 Oh, okay.

00:14:17.000 I went to St.

00:14:18.000 Mary's.

00:14:19.000 Oh, wow.

00:14:20.000 Midway.

00:14:21.000 Yeah.

00:14:21.000 And I lived in Bridgeport for a little bit.

00:14:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:24.000 By Comiskey, right?

00:14:25.000 Or by U.S.

00:14:26.000 Cellular Field?

00:14:27.000 Yeah, that's right down there.

00:14:28.000 That's all that.

00:14:28.000 That's White Sox country.

00:14:29.000 That's right.

00:14:30.000 I have family in that whole, like, Chatham, Bronzeville, that whole area sort of black and Irish and south side of Chicago.

00:14:38.000 That's right.

00:14:39.000 Now I, like I said, I personally claim the north side.

00:14:41.000 I went to, I was in Wicker since I was like a little kid.

00:14:44.000 I moved to, I still have a house in East Aurora, like the traditional sort of Latino and Eastern European area of that city.

00:14:50.000 So another blue collar area right nearby, an hour away now, but.

00:14:53.000 And what were you saying? 0.99

00:14:55.000 You think people are dumb? 1.00

00:14:56.000 Yeah, well, that's the point. 1.00

00:14:57.000 Hey, what are you saying about Chicago?

00:15:00.000 No, but that's the point, though.

00:15:01.000 I mean, like, even watching people I knew in high school try to sell coke in Little Italy or East Aurora or something, I mean, the percentage of those guys who went to jail is like 65.

00:15:09.000 I don't think that there are actually functional behind-the-scenes cabals where you have one Arab guy, one Nigerian guy, one French guy, two Americans and a Brit that are secretly trying to control The economy of the world or something like that.

00:15:24.000 I do think you have groups.

00:15:27.000 I mean many of the things that people say in sort of conspiratorial conversations like Skull and Bones at Yale or Bilderberg group actually exist.

00:15:33.000 You have groups of rich people that clash with one another and pursue different agendas just like you have groups of upper middle class people that do this or media individuals.

00:15:41.000 But I do think like First, there was a weird sort of climate porn that you saw in the mainstream media for a while, where you'd see these headlines like, whales have been spotted in such and such a canal. 0.98

00:15:54.000 It's like, that's because there aren't any goddamn people.

00:15:57.000 But they've taken all the ships out of the normal shipping lanes. 0.98

00:16:01.000 People are on lockdown.

00:16:02.000 That's not a positive.

00:16:04.000 The best of these articles, either from COVID or within the couple of years before, was The Guardian, why Genghis Khan was good for the environment.

00:16:11.000 Because he killed so many people, you see that the smoke from the Cook Fire stopped the planet cold.

00:16:17.000 Are there some other people they would like to make those claims about?

00:16:21.000 I don't think so.

00:16:22.000 Well, I think that today, I don't think there's a conscious attempt to usher in a climate lockdown because of COVID, but last sentence, kind of getting to the point here on my end, I think that the bigger issue is that the people that are running a lot of American discourse have the same solutions to everything.

00:16:42.000 This is, so if you notice the climate solutions, like we need to pursue a more socialist, generous policy of XYZ, are the same as the COVID solutions, and the same as the proposed solutions to our race crisis. 0.62

00:16:53.000 So I don't think the issue is so much what the key that opens the door is, it's kind of what comes through.

00:16:59.000 Like, all of these things are being used by people that want the same agenda, to a certain extent.

00:17:06.000 It's a standalone complex, we often say.

00:17:08.000 It's not a conspiracy.

00:17:09.000 It's a bunch of people of similar ideology working in a similar direction because they believe similar things.

00:17:14.000 Maybe.

00:17:15.000 But when you look at the Pareto distribution of, you know, basically almost everything in existence, you get the extremes at the very top and at the very bottom, but these extreme Wealth of file.

00:17:27.000 Powerful people.

00:17:28.000 Maybe this is see, I don't have any data to back this up, except that, you know, you look at sociologically.

00:17:34.000 There are times when the very, very few will will coagulate at the top.

00:17:38.000 And I wonder if there are a small group of people that have been organizing this since.

00:17:41.000 I mean, you look at the way the Federal Reserve was built by like eight guys at Jekyll Island.

00:17:45.000 That was crazy.

00:17:46.000 Creepy story.

00:17:47.000 True, but I think the issue of the creature from Jekyll Island.

00:17:50.000 I think the issue with that, though, is that at the simplest level in political science, about half of the rich disagree with the other half.

00:17:50.000 Right.

00:17:58.000 I mean, that's why there's this extraordinary kind of back and forth of like, well, you're funded by the Koch brothers.

00:18:03.000 Well, you're funded by George Soros and the sciences.

00:18:05.000 I mean, you have the Chinese billionaires that unexpectedly are kind of coming in often on the right side of things, politically.

00:18:11.000 I mean, on the other hand, you have the moon men, these tech bros that are currently flying around in space.

00:18:17.000 So I don't think there's one unified position that people are advancing across, say, great wealth to try to move the world forward.

00:18:29.000 I think that there are some positions that are more influential than others because one group of sort of coastal, upper middle class, urban, big city, mostly leftist happens to control the media, social media, and academia in the USA and Britain in particular.

00:18:46.000 So there are ideas you see more often than you see other ideas and I think that that is The climate panic is one of those, but I don't think in practice a Governor DeSantis or somebody is necessarily going to back that actually happening, or the billionaires in that state are going to.

00:19:00.000 You're familiar with the journo lists?

00:19:02.000 Have you ever heard of those?

00:19:03.000 Not journalist, a journo.

00:19:05.000 Like, journ-o-list.

00:19:09.000 It was a list, it was a web list of journalists that all communicate with each other.

00:19:12.000 Oh yeah, yeah, this is... This is a good example of, I guess, I don't know, it borders on conspiracy in a sense, in that they would all share stories and then agree on them because they were all in the same chat, and then all of these outlets would publish the same stories.

00:19:26.000 Well, to clarify, I don't think conspiracies don't exist. 0.99

00:19:29.000 Actually, to talk to kind of the audience for a second, if you don't think there are wealthy, powerful people behind the scenes that sometimes collab together to do things that would get you arrested, you're a fool. 0.88

00:19:42.000 I mean, even at my little level, I'm a member of the lower, upper class, and I'm often contacted by friends from the U of I Law, for example, or Freedom Fest, which I just attended. 0.97

00:19:55.000 Great event, but pretty high-level stuff.

00:19:58.000 Media figures.

00:19:59.000 Do you want to work on this?

00:20:01.000 Let's keep this low-key for now.

00:20:03.000 We're going to trip them from behind with this one.

00:20:05.000 And I would only imagine what Prince Harry's inbox looks like.

00:20:08.000 So of course there are conspiracies in that sense.

00:20:11.000 The question I guess really is just when it crosses the line to the crazy scenarios a lot of the left and the hard right seem to believe in.

00:20:19.000 So like for example my email list right now is I think 8,000 people.

00:20:23.000 Nothing crazy but 8,000.

00:20:24.000 Most of them are journalists of some kind.

00:20:25.000 They're mostly on the center right.

00:20:27.000 I'm pretty sure I could create a story if I happen to find out some piece of information about a crooked politician.

00:20:33.000 The The only reason that's annoying when you look at the journal lists or a lot of the, I mean, there are a whole, like jobs that are left is still up on Google where they advertise all these left-leaning activist jobs.

00:20:44.000 And it's one network of people, many of whom don't admit they're left-leaning activists.

00:20:47.000 So the issue with that, I think is the pretense of neutrality, right?

00:20:51.000 So if there's anybody from say CNN or NPR on, on the message, the listserv that that's very ethically problematic.

00:20:59.000 I think both you and I would say, like, I'm heterodox, maybe center-center-right politically. 0.99

00:21:03.000 I think the government's a bunch of scumbags. 0.99

00:21:05.000 Like, I have a set group of opinions. 1.00

00:21:07.000 I'm pretty open about them.

00:21:08.000 If you say I'm a neutral reporter for NBC and you are taking talking points from, you know, a junior operative at the DNC that you're sleeping with who's the person ahead of you on the journo list... Oh my.

00:21:20.000 No, but I mean... Are you talking about a real person there?

00:21:22.000 Uh, no, of course not.

00:21:23.000 A gentleman would not say such a thing.

00:21:24.000 But I mean, like if you, and that actually is, I have someone in mind, but they don't work at NBC and it's not particularly relevant.

00:21:30.000 I know who you're talking about.

00:21:31.000 Maybe.

00:21:32.000 But anyway, but anyway, like the, the point of all this is that if you go on the air and you're saying this BS, this goes for the right as well.

00:21:40.000 Like all these guys talking about chastity until marriage is critically important.

00:21:44.000 Lock the door, Javier.

00:21:46.000 You know, like, if you're doing that, there's a significant ethical issue with that.

00:21:49.000 I think that's really the only point.

00:21:50.000 There are many conspiracies behind the scenes.

00:21:52.000 Journalists have opinions.

00:21:54.000 And, you know, I used to think that we would try to have journalists keep their opinions to themselves so they could just do the job and not cause strife.

00:22:03.000 But I think that that era is long since passed.

00:22:06.000 You know, because the difference in opinions now is fundamental worldview.

00:22:10.000 Where someone's opinion is literally them saying, I support the Constitution.

00:22:14.000 And someone else's opinion saying, I oppose it.

00:22:15.000 And I'm like, well, hold on there a minute.

00:22:17.000 Like, we've got a very, very distinct difference of worldview on this.

00:22:22.000 It used to be a journalist could say something, well, of course I support the United States and the Constitution.

00:22:26.000 That was not controversial.

00:22:27.000 Now it is.

00:22:28.000 So now, if you came out and said, I believe America should enforce its immigration laws, you're right-wing. 1.00

00:22:36.000 That's one of the ways they've tried accusing me of being a conservative, is that they're like, Tim Pool has defended conservative claims about immigration in the United States.

00:22:44.000 I'm like, what does that mean?

00:22:46.000 Bernie Sanders was pro-border barrier in 2008, and in 2015 he said no open borders.

00:22:50.000 Just because he went farther left doesn't mean I moved.

00:22:53.000 But that's where we're at.

00:22:54.000 I mean, you can literally just say something innocuous and it's literally conservative because the left has become so extreme and revolutionary, I suppose.

00:23:04.000 Yeah, and I also think this moves in cycles.

00:23:06.000 I mean, like, I'm a hip-hop kid, and I remember the moral majority in the 1980s, although Tipper Gore was part of this, but, like, chasing rappers and hard rockers through the halls of Congress, you know, asking two live crew what a coochie was. 0.95

00:23:20.000 Like, just this ridiculous, embarrassing crap. 0.98

00:23:23.000 I mean, just... 0.99

00:23:24.000 You know, and so that sort of thing, like, had they gotten their way, we wouldn't be talking about parental warning labels on rap or rock CDs.

00:23:31.000 We'd be talking, or, I mean, imagine EDM, Cruella, and all that.

00:23:34.000 You'd be talking about that not being available on the market, like, Get It Wet would be available only as, like, a download from some pirate site, same with a DMX or Jay-Z album.

00:23:43.000 So that was the right overextending, and I think we've definitely seen the pendulum swing back into complete lunacy.

00:23:48.000 This is one of the things that I noticed a lot when I wrote Taboo specifically,

00:23:52.000 because some of it was intended to be edgy, like, oh, let's take on the alt-right, let's take on BLM.

00:23:57.000 But like the immigration chapter, I thought was just completely neutral.

00:24:01.000 Like at one point, I think my description was, we should let in

00:24:04.000 sane, reasonably able-bodied, non-criminal immigrants capable of getting jobs, 0.99

00:24:12.000 which might involve some kind of basic IQ or aptitude test.

00:24:14.000 It's like, well, wouldn't it?

00:24:16.000 And people started describing this as sort of a far-right proposal.

00:24:19.000 Like during an interview, someone asked me if I would let in disabled women with AIDS.

00:24:23.000 And I said, I mean, I kind of danced around the question, but it was just sort of,

00:24:28.000 I wouldn't prioritize that as an immigration policy, Like, there's an element of amoral common sense that you kind of need to exist as a healthy adult, and I think to some extent we need to get back to

00:24:42.000 Let's say morally rational shared common sense, like the country's flawed, but if you openly fight against it, we're not going to say that you're the highest form of patriot.

00:24:50.000 This is one of the biggest problems we have right now.

00:24:53.000 A far right, in the colloquial sense, opinion on immigration would be shut down.

00:24:59.000 Actually, I think it's repatriated.

00:25:00.000 Repatriation, is that the right word?

00:25:02.000 So you actually see these opinions on the internet where people who are very- All the time.

00:25:05.000 Yeah, they're like, send them back.

00:25:07.000 Like, but they live here.

00:25:08.000 It's like, don't care.

00:25:09.000 It's like, okay, that is weird.

00:25:10.000 Like, they moved here.

00:25:11.000 They got citizenship.

00:25:12.000 And you're like, nope.

00:25:14.000 Cut him off.

00:25:14.000 All right.

00:25:15.000 Then you've got a right wing opinion of we should, you know, a further right, we should lock down the borders.

00:25:20.000 No more immigration. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Then you've got the right, we should have sound immigration policy, and then you have

00:25:26.000 like a center right where it's like, well, we're okay with refugees and asylees.

00:25:30.000 Then you have the center where it's like a similar position.

00:25:32.000 You start moving to the left and they're like, open up the borders, increase the numbers.

00:25:36.000 If you entertain the centrist position of, like my position literally where they claim

00:25:42.000 it's conservative is, I think we should allow legal asylees, refugees to come into this

00:25:48.000 country and we should help them.

00:25:50.000 There should obviously be some limits so we don't get exploited, like people who might come from Africa to Brazil and then try and come here. 0.90

00:25:55.000 That's a lot of questions.

00:25:56.000 I've got questions about that.

00:25:57.000 But Cuba and Mexico, like, yeah, by all means, let's figure this one out.

00:26:01.000 That's conservative.

00:26:02.000 Well, I mean, I do think you need to get into some of the technical definitions.

00:26:05.000 I don't necessarily think, without mocking your position, that you'd be an asylum seeker from Mexico in any kind of real political sense.

00:26:12.000 This was one of the things that struck me, because I took some time off from standard academic writing while I was working on the books, and coming back into this debate, people were starting to use the term asylum seeker for Economic migrant.

00:26:27.000 Yeah, but people coming from countries like, in terms of a lot of the groups in Chicago, Mexico, Poland, Guatemala.

00:26:33.000 Guatemala actually would be one of the Central American countries that we're supposed to feel the most sort of heart-rend for.

00:26:39.000 Honduras, Brazil, Costa Rica.

00:26:40.000 Costa Rica is a pleasant country.

00:26:42.000 It's amazing.

00:26:43.000 Pura Vida.

00:26:43.000 It's a great place.

00:26:44.000 It's where they filmed Jurassic Park.

00:26:45.000 Great food.

00:26:46.000 I mean, it's just, but the idea that someone who's a Tico from Costa Rica is a Refugee is absurd.

00:26:53.000 I mean, right, right, right.

00:26:55.000 But so I mean, it's just, but that's what I mean.

00:26:58.000 Like, I'm talking about, let's say there's somebody who lives in a border city in Mexico, and they run afoul of some gangs or something.

00:27:05.000 And then they're like, what do I do?

00:27:07.000 And so they jump, you know, they go to the border, they go and say, they're coming for me, what do I do?

00:27:12.000 OK, well, that person, we don't want to die.

00:27:14.000 I mean, it'd be if someone came in my house screaming and panting and threatened to help call the police, I'd call the police.

00:27:19.000 But that's that's that's not the majority.

00:27:22.000 So it's like what you said.

00:27:23.000 The left has started calling all of them asylees, refugees.

00:27:27.000 AOC, did it legal?

00:27:28.000 Asylees have broken no law. 1.00

00:27:29.000 And then Homan was like, yeah, they did. 0.97

00:27:31.000 They violated this law.

00:27:32.000 And he reads it off.

00:27:33.000 Yeah, so there are certain circumstances where I can absolutely understand.

00:27:36.000 Like, if a guy's being chased and he runs through the river or whatever to escape, it's like, all right, well, you know, I don't know what to say to that guy.

00:27:42.000 Like, get safe, you know what I mean?

00:27:44.000 But what we're seeing is people from Africa flying to Brazil, traveling up through South America to the U.S.

00:27:50.000 We're seeing people from these South American countries moving up, coming to America.

00:27:50.000 border.

00:27:54.000 I'm like, dude, they're economic migrants.

00:27:56.000 They get turned away.

00:27:57.000 Well, I mean, I think... Not anymore, actually, not anymore.

00:28:00.000 The first question in response to even kind of the moral component of that would be, like, if I grew up in Baltimore, do I have the right to seek asylum in Japan?

00:28:07.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:28:09.000 No!

00:28:09.000 Yeah, I mean, there's an element of... So, like, looking at this point by point as a political scientist, like, if you're in Mexico... First of all, if you're in Mexico and you're engaged in a violent gunfight with the cartels, you're very unlikely to be a taxpayer.

00:28:21.000 I mean, like the old American mafia, there are some brutal abuses of women and so on in Coyote roles, but it's very unlikely that the cartels and, say, a group of policemen are, without any negotiations, going to challenge each other to the kind of fighting that requires one of the policemen to flee here.

00:28:37.000 If that happens, sure.

00:28:39.000 I mean, the border cities of Mexico are extremely violent.

00:28:42.000 They're shooting us all the time.

00:28:43.000 Yeah, well, I mean, there are shootouts in American cities, too, actually.

00:28:46.000 I mean, like, Baltimore has a higher crime rate than most of the cities on the border.

00:28:49.000 I guess what I'm saying is most of those shootouts involve the equivalent of gang violence.

00:28:52.000 Right.

00:28:53.000 But, I mean, so, at risk of being, like, thought cold, there are a bunch of solutions here.

00:28:57.000 Like, first, you can move, but then Mexico.

00:28:59.000 Mexico actually has funds that are dedicated to helping people get away from gang and cartel warfare, as we do, by the way.

00:29:06.000 I mean, we have massive witness relocation programs and so on.

00:29:09.000 So, I mean, I think that would be my first step if I were a Mexican citizen and patriot that was having this problem.

00:29:16.000 I mean, at another level, like we could let people into the country that could document this.

00:29:21.000 I mean, I guess improved version of a polygraph test, like there'd have to be something almost unpleasant to go through.

00:29:27.000 But there'd have to be a period during which you could stay in the country.

00:29:30.000 You could have, for example, a one-year protective visa if you're not a traditional refugee.

00:29:34.000 People forget this, by the way.

00:29:35.000 Refugees and TPS recipients are supposed to go back when the crisis is over.

00:29:41.000 So I think a lot of this stuff on the left becomes the endless extension of compassion,

00:29:46.000 where you see people that were displaced by, for example, that awful earthquake in Haiti,

00:29:51.000 which is a legitimately terrible thing, but 15 years later are still in the USA and are

00:29:57.000 not oppressed.

00:29:58.000 I mean, many of the, not necessarily Haiti, but many of like the black Caribbean states

00:30:02.000 are island paradises.

00:30:03.000 I mean, Bermuda, Bahamas, Barbados, they have incomes on par with the USA.

00:30:08.000 So guys would be here running stores and things of that nature.

00:30:11.000 I appreciate anyone's desire to hustle and get a better life, but that's the same explanation

00:30:15.000 people give for selling weed.

00:30:17.000 If you come here from Mexico or Bahamas, in 99% of cases, you're not an asylee. 1.00

00:30:22.000 That's a far right opinion though.

00:30:24.000 Yeah, I mean, well, okay.

00:30:25.000 I'm far right on this issue.

00:30:26.000 Like, almost everyone in the country.

00:30:27.000 I mean, I mean, like, media-wise.

00:30:28.000 Like, I'm not literally going around saying, like, simply having a position where you're like, hey, how does this make sense?

00:30:33.000 I think it has a lot to do with, I guess, tribal psychosis.

00:30:38.000 That people are so desperate to climb their, claw their way to the top of the social order on the left, that they're constantly one-upping their opinions and accusing the other people of being impure.

00:30:49.000 So you get some person who, like, ten years ago was on the left and was like, I agree with Bernie Sanders.

00:30:54.000 Well, by that standard today, you are a far right, you know, individual.

00:30:58.000 You're a nationalist. 0.99

00:30:59.000 You're evil. 1.00

00:31:00.000 All the really awful words they'll use for you.

00:31:04.000 How are we supposed to have a functioning political ecosystem if one side has no moral system or framework or principles?

00:31:11.000 And it's just, I'm going to say the most extreme thing possible that moves me further and further in one direction.

00:31:16.000 One of the things that I think actually is that there are almost no people that actually believe this stuff.

00:31:22.000 I think you see the massive influence of, again, the lower-upper class, coastal, urban, very specific, mostly white, liberal block on sites like Twitter and Insta.

00:31:32.000 I mean, so, obviously that famous piece came out, I think, Wired, that found out that, what was it, 15% of Americans are on Twitter at all?

00:31:40.000 Yeah, I think it's 22% of Americans are on Twitter at all.

00:31:47.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 And it's like a smaller percentage.

00:31:49.000 10% are responsible for something like 80% of the viral tweets.

00:31:51.000 So you've got, let's say 2.2, 2.3% of the population that's driving this discourse.

00:31:57.000 And a lot of it, it's very disproportionately, first of all, until pretty recently, it was also very disproportionately annoying alt-right.

00:32:03.000 Pepe's and Gruyper's and so on.

00:32:04.000 Although they cut out some of them.

00:32:06.000 But they haven't cut out their opponents.

00:32:08.000 So I mean, extremely SJW heavy, a lot of TRAs, a lot of trans rights activists, so on.

00:32:15.000 A lot of positions that almost don't exist in mainstream America.

00:32:18.000 And I think it's important to keep that distinction up.

00:32:20.000 Like, these people influence the discourse that goes into kind of Yeah, mid-level journalism.

00:32:27.000 Like, if you're on Twitter and you have more than 10,000 followers, you're very likely to also contribute articles from time to time to, say, Jezebel or something like that.

00:32:35.000 No particular hate for them.

00:32:37.000 So you have a lot of this seen in, like, urban youth life, and it seems like it's very prevalent.

00:32:42.000 But if you ask people, like, should immigrants be able to read or something like that, like, you'd see a massive, massive yes versus no in America.

00:32:49.000 Let's say you've got a hundred cities with a hundred people in each city.

00:32:53.000 In each city is one socialist.

00:32:56.000 Whenever there's an election, the Socialists vote Socialists, and it accounts for 1% of the vote, and everyone ignores it.

00:33:02.000 Then along comes the Internet.

00:33:04.000 And now you have a city-sized Socialist community online, because the one Socialist from each of the 100 cities now forms a massive community on Twitter, where it seems like, wow, look at all of these people!

00:33:18.000 It's like the size of New York!

00:33:20.000 It's the size of a city!

00:33:22.000 And then you're like, oh, it's just one person in their bedroom in these different places.

00:33:26.000 The problem is, it really does have an impact.

00:33:28.000 These big brands will get harassed by this community, and then they'll issue a public statement on TV to tens of millions of people about how they now agree with this fringe belief, and they apologize for not seeing it sooner.

00:33:42.000 And the problem is, it is true, very few people use Twitter. 0.95

00:33:45.000 But Twitter does have influence, hilariously, it's stupid, and regular people don't speak up. 0.99

00:33:50.000 So you'll be ruled by that 2%? 0.99

00:33:52.000 Well, unless we start speaking up.

00:33:55.000 I mean, and what you see, like, I mean, your platform obviously is on par.

00:33:58.000 Like, I looked at the ratings for most of the major primetime cable news shows on MSNBC and CNN the other day, actually posted this to Twitter, and most of them get less engagement than I do on Twitter.

00:34:10.000 I think Don Lemon was at 570,000 engagements either per day or per week.

00:34:16.000 It must be per day.

00:34:17.000 It must be.

00:34:18.000 But I mean, And scrolling up all the way up to Tucker Carlson was like three million a day.

00:34:22.000 But the simple reality is that most of the Temcast interviews I've looked at have a million, a million and a half views.

00:34:28.000 I think that when people start talking and saying things that are obviously true, that kind of break the gaslight, you'll find that the other 98% of people want to listen to them.

00:34:39.000 And that's why there's this fanatical attempt to do two things.

00:34:42.000 One is to label people in the most ridiculous way possible, like Joe Rogan or Jimmy Dore as Nazis. 0.89

00:34:49.000 And in reality, these are cats that are all across the spectrum.

00:34:51.000 Matt Taibbi and I actually, one of the first times I was on Twitter, we were arguing about BS for a while because he's, I don't even know if he remembers, but he's significantly on the left.

00:34:59.000 Absolutely.

00:35:00.000 Glenn Greenwald, yeah, they're great journalists, but I mean, it's Barry Weiss, who was the editor of the New York Times like a week ago.

00:35:06.000 I mean, but the first argument is like, Barry Weiss, Glenn Greenwald, what the hell do they know about journalism? 0.93

00:35:10.000 Just a bunch of alt-right Nazis.

00:35:12.000 It's this attempt to kind of just shuffle foot off the stage and pretend nothing happened.

00:35:15.000 But the second and more troubling aspect of this is the attempt by conventional media to take the actual internet kids off of social media.

00:35:25.000 And replace them with kind of AAA versions of conventional media shows.

00:35:30.000 That's very definitely something happening.

00:35:32.000 When I look at YouTube, you see suggestions from CNN on the sidebar.

00:35:35.000 So this is what I was going to bring up.

00:35:37.000 I can pull up the ratings Thursday for all these different cable channels.

00:35:41.000 And in the key demographic, 25 to 54, CNN loses easily to Timcast IRL.

00:35:49.000 However, when you take into account all of their viewers, you've got 8PM Anderson Cooper

00:35:55.000 with 774,000, you've got Cuomo with 861,000, Don Lemon with 716,000.

00:36:01.000 And so they're doing really well among a lot older people, which says a lot about what

00:36:07.000 will happen with shows like this moving forward.

00:36:09.000 Perhaps people will age out and, you know, then CNN will become less and less relevant and more people watch shows like this.

00:36:16.000 But the one thing you need to understand is that I can sit here and say, look how great this show is, look how many viewers we get.

00:36:21.000 Because their TV ratings are in the gutter.

00:36:23.000 And then YouTube puts CNN on the front page.

00:36:26.000 They put MSNBC on the front page.

00:36:27.000 And CNN gets something like 150 million views per month, relative to our 20. 0.95

00:36:33.000 So we may be beating them on TV, but YouTube is mandating viewership of their trash.

00:36:38.000 And it's funny, when you see their videos, all thumbs down. 0.93

00:36:39.000 Everybody hates it.

00:36:40.000 It doesn't work for the platform.

00:36:42.000 It doesn't work for what YouTube is.

00:36:45.000 You can't put TV on YouTube and think it'll work.

00:36:48.000 Yeah, no, but I think that this is kind of like the old Russian division between Pravda and Samizdat.

00:36:54.000 I mean, so there are 150 million views of CNN, perhaps on a daily basis, if you're counting YouTube's Front's piece, and I'm sure perhaps airport lounges and so on.

00:37:05.000 But how many of those people are actually watching CNN and absorbing political content from them and taking it seriously?

00:37:12.000 I'll stop real quick.

00:37:13.000 Sorry.

00:37:14.000 So CNN's down substantially.

00:37:14.000 98 million.

00:37:16.000 That's like half from where they were a few months ago.

00:37:18.000 All right.

00:37:18.000 Okay.

00:37:19.000 Well, that's a monthly basis figure.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, 98 million views for the CNN YouTube in the past month.

00:37:24.000 Not to mention, CNN does have network channels as well, so all the peripheral YouTube channels, you know, they get their views as well.

00:37:30.000 They gain 100,000 subscribers per month.

00:37:33.000 I mean, we get like 10,000.

00:37:34.000 My Twitter and YouTube engagement last month, it was, if I recall correctly, 34 million.

00:37:42.000 That was mostly due to RTs from larger accounts, but I mean, I don't mean to mock at all.

00:37:46.000 I'm loving the undisclosed location.

00:37:48.000 Great group of guys to talk to.

00:37:49.000 But I mean, we're both kind of guys with computers.

00:37:52.000 So I mean, when you say like, okay, well, CNN is 10, you know, 10% in the lead over

00:37:56.000 me and 80% in the lead over you, Riley, like both of us can just go home and make another

00:38:01.000 video on our laptops. 0.99

00:38:03.000 Like they're spending millions of dollars to produce this crap that barely beats out. 0.83

00:38:07.000 And there's so many other people in that, in that space. 0.99

00:38:09.000 I mean, from Ben Shapiro to Clara Lehman or Brett Weinstein on the other side of that

00:38:14.000 to, but, um, uh, reaction from leads to one of those, but I mean, to obviously Joe Rogan,

00:38:21.000 you know, Adam Carolla, I mean that all these, all these people aren't the same Larry Elder

00:38:24.000 on kind of the black, right.

00:38:26.000 But many of these content producers are outpacing the major shows on network news.

00:38:32.000 And all you have to do is go upstairs and talk into your computer.

00:38:35.000 I mean, one of my most watched videos, again, my mind in general, aren't at that alone,

00:38:40.000 I mean, so anyone now can become, given any reasonable amount of training and honor, but can become a journalistic resource.

00:38:50.000 So that's what the mass media is terrified of.

00:38:52.000 Last comment here, they're not taking quote-unquote conservatives offline because you and Jimmy Doran aren't conservatives in the first place.

00:38:59.000 They're taking threats offline.

00:39:01.000 So like the one time, I'm center-right personally, but I tried to look at this honestly once, and like that month the majority of the people deplatformed.

00:39:07.000 Like Chapo Trap House, You Owe Blacks Trillions, like the funny reparations page, Cop Block, one of the oldest libertarian party accounts. 0.55

00:39:15.000 That's on YouTube or what?

00:39:16.000 This was I believe on Twitter.

00:39:18.000 It was on Twitter, Reddit, and in most cases YouTube.

00:39:21.000 That's when they took Chapo Trap off Reddit.

00:39:23.000 But I mean like Chapo Trap House is to say the least not a conservative site.

00:39:28.000 Right, right, right.

00:39:29.000 But it was becoming a threat to the media, the dirtbag left brand and the dirtbag left

00:39:33.000 hoodies and the jokes and the comments about the CIA probably didn't help out.

00:39:39.000 So they ain't there anymore.

00:39:41.000 But it's not just a conservative liberal thing.

00:39:43.000 It's a threats thing.

00:39:44.000 Yeah, I mean, the Chabot still exists.

00:39:47.000 They're the number two most subscribed to Patreon account.

00:39:53.000 Great, I'm glad to hear that.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, so they're still, you know, prominent.

00:39:56.000 I don't know what their... It's interesting, there's like a weird...

00:40:00.000 The podcast ecosystem, it's hard to actually track.

00:40:04.000 It's very different from TV.

00:40:05.000 With TV, we look at the ratings, we know what's going on.

00:40:08.000 With podcasting, I mean, our biggest platform is YouTube.

00:40:11.000 We get a decent amount, we get 80, 70 or 80% of our podcast views or listens or whatever on YouTube.

00:40:19.000 And then we do decently well on iTunes and Spotify.

00:40:22.000 I think We are a top 250 on iTunes.

00:40:26.000 There was a period where, like, my main show was actually really high up, because I was working every single day.

00:40:30.000 We took that down.

00:40:31.000 But you can't actually track who's successful.

00:40:33.000 Like, I don't even know where Chopwood Trap House registers on this.

00:40:35.000 I know they have a lot of diehard fans.

00:40:37.000 But they might have 36,000 people who are paying to get their special content.

00:40:42.000 But that might be the Everyone who watches their show.

00:40:45.000 Or it could be substantially more.

00:40:46.000 I don't know.

00:40:47.000 When you look at TV, nobody pays for that for the most part.

00:40:50.000 I mean, some people might pay for a cable package, but CNN is effectively given to you like they make you watch it.

00:40:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:56.000 Like you mentioned airports.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, it's state media.

00:40:58.000 It's literally the media program that runs in the airports that are funded by branches of the government.

00:41:04.000 They canceled that.

00:41:05.000 The CNN airport is gone?

00:41:06.000 Gone.

00:41:07.000 But probably still hotel lobbies, I guess.

00:41:09.000 Are we going to see, like, Fox Airport?

00:41:11.000 It would actually be really funny to see Newsmax Airport.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, they should go for it.

00:41:15.000 Not really any more or less reliable than MSNBC, but, like, I'd like to see it for a couple months.

00:41:21.000 Try it out.

00:41:21.000 That's my favorite thing about the media.

00:41:23.000 Let me tell you about Biden!

00:41:26.000 This guy's screaming.

00:41:27.000 I love it when they're like, OAN is a conspiracy site.

00:41:30.000 And it's like, bro, did you do you watch your own channel?

00:41:33.000 Like, have you seen the things you've said about Russia?

00:41:35.000 Nah, these people, uh... They're something special.

00:41:38.000 Actually, I wanna pull this up.

00:41:40.000 I wanna pull up, uh... No, not this one.

00:41:43.000 Where's the other one?

00:41:43.000 Okay, we're gonna pull up this one.

00:41:45.000 We're gonna start with this story here.

00:41:46.000 I gotta do this.

00:41:48.000 I got a special disdain for big tech social media, so this is something that's been going viral for a while.

00:41:55.000 There is a link to the CDC.gov.

00:41:59.000 It is the CDC's website.

00:42:01.000 If you post this link, Facebook will flag it as fake news.

00:42:06.000 Facebook, because they've given the ability to third-party fact-checkers who are crackpot wingnut conspiracy theorists, have labeled the CDC as fake news.

00:42:17.000 Here it is.

00:42:18.000 Look at this.

00:42:18.000 This is a post from Facebook that I posted.

00:42:21.000 The website is cdc.gov slash ccellsdlslocs20217212022 labalertchangescdcrtpcrsarscovid2testing1.html.

00:42:31.000 There you go.

00:42:32.000 There's some other stuff in there if you want to actually get the link.

00:42:34.000 The link is just them saying they're encouraging sites to update their PCR tests to better tests.

00:42:41.000 A third-party fact-checker flagged it as fake news.

00:42:44.000 And so a bunch of people have done this.

00:42:46.000 And it shows you the extent to which the media is broken.

00:42:49.000 Who in their right mind was given the authority to flag the CDC as fake news?

00:42:54.000 What am I supposed to say on YouTube?

00:42:55.000 Oh, YouTube, don't ban me.

00:42:56.000 I don't know.

00:42:57.000 Facebook flagged me.

00:42:58.000 This is what happens when you have a crackpot broken media.

00:43:03.000 That people just keep saying, I trust the science, I believe the media.

00:43:07.000 They just believe whatever they're told until it just goes full psycho.

00:43:11.000 Now we're in this really crazy space, where the news is changing so rapidly, because there's so much contradictory information coming up, and coexisting at the same time, that people are writing contradictory stories at the same time.

00:43:24.000 So, the example I gave the other day.

00:43:26.000 Let's say Fauci comes out and says, you gotta wear two masks!

00:43:29.000 And the next day he says, no I didn't mean it, you don't gotta wear two masks.

00:43:32.000 That information... Changes in the viral environment have prompted a very necessary revision of policy by the leaders at the CDC.

00:43:39.000 Well, so here's what happens with these two nearly concurrent contradictory statements.

00:43:46.000 MSNBC might see the statement, you gotta wear two masks.

00:43:49.000 An hour later, Fauci says, no, no, I was mistaken.

00:43:51.000 I mean, the real story is like a day later.

00:43:53.000 But let's say an hour later, he says, no.

00:43:54.000 Fox News then publishes, Fauci says, not to wear two masks.

00:43:58.000 MSNBC and Fox could publish those stories at the exact same time.

00:44:02.000 And then the leftist will see MSNBC, the conservative will see Fox News, and then they'll both be at a bar and be like, why are you wearing two masks?

00:44:09.000 Why aren't you wearing two masks?

00:44:11.000 My story says, my story says, information overload.

00:44:14.000 It's too quick and people can't figure out what's the latest and newest information.

00:44:18.000 Now it's come to the White House where we have the story from the New York Times.

00:44:21.000 Check this out.

00:44:22.000 The New York Times says, breaking news, the Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal CDC report said.

00:44:32.000 But then we get this guy, Ben Wakana, in all caps, Vaccinated people do not transmit the virus at the same rate as unvaccinated people.

00:44:40.000 And if you fail to include that context, you're doing it wrong.

00:44:42.000 And then people are like, who do I trust?

00:44:44.000 The government or the New York Times?

00:44:47.000 Well, now someone could write an article citing Ben saying the claim is not true.

00:44:52.000 Then someone could write something claiming the New York Times, this is true.

00:44:56.000 And now we have political factions choosing which one they think makes more sense instead of knowing who to trust.

00:45:03.000 Yeah, I think that's absolutely correct.

00:45:06.000 The one piece of advice I will give to an intelligent young audience would be go check for yourself.

00:45:10.000 I mean, you can go to the CDC website and see what their data actually is and whether the Times reported on it, honestly.

00:45:16.000 Nobody does that.

00:45:16.000 Yeah, everybody should.

00:45:17.000 For a lot of the things I report, like The national crime rate, for example, where there's this huge argument, which I've never understood, but a big back and forth on the internet between, like, black guys, working class white guys, Arab guys who might be suspected of terrorism, so on.

00:45:30.000 Like, who commits the most crime?

00:45:32.000 You can find out.

00:45:33.000 Like, the government publishes the crime stats every year.

00:45:35.000 Ah, well, if you tweet those crime stats, you'll be banned.

00:45:38.000 Not really, actually.

00:45:39.000 I've done it a bunch of times.

00:45:40.000 It's not something I've ever seen flagged anywhere.

00:45:42.000 Oh, yeah, um, there was, uh, who was it?

00:45:44.000 Was it Tommy Robinson, I think, in the UK?

00:45:46.000 Oh, okay, that makes sense.

00:45:48.000 They don't have any rights.

00:45:49.000 Well, yeah, but this is Twitter banning him.

00:45:50.000 Twitter banned Tommy Robinson, I believe it was Tommy Robinson, and Majid Nawaz, who is, like, not a fan of Tommy, defended him, saying he published factual data from, you know, crime statistics.

00:46:02.000 Twitter does not care.

00:46:03.000 It's a disparaging comment.

00:46:04.000 I've seen that happen once or twice.

00:46:06.000 I mean, for example, Andy Ngo pointed out at one point that there was no epidemic of violence against transgender women.

00:46:15.000 Of color.

00:46:16.000 Yeah.

00:46:17.000 The rate of violence against transgender people, I actually wrote an article about this for Quill at once, because one, if there actually is a hate crime epidemic, you want to stop it.

00:46:24.000 But two, I strongly suspected that most shooting or stabbing victims would be young working class men, about 50% people of color, because we know that, because that's the crime data.

00:46:34.000 But anyway, so I looked at this and actually found the rate of violence against transgender women is lower than the rate of violence against just men, along with a bunch of other groups.

00:46:42.000 Blacks, poor whites, so on down the line. 1.00

00:46:43.000 But Andy said that. 1.00

00:46:45.000 I think he cited the article and he said, and if you're a trans woman of color, the person most likely to kill you is black. 0.99

00:46:49.000 It's not going to be a white supremacist. 0.99

00:46:51.000 It's going to be a jilted lover or something like that.

00:46:53.000 And he was banned for a couple of days.

00:46:54.000 Right.

00:46:55.000 But those are the only two cases I've ever seen.

00:46:57.000 I mean, in general, if you cite the BJS crime report, like in academic Twitter, that it's extremely widely known that men have a higher crime rate than women.

00:47:04.000 African-Americans, at least before you adjust for age and social class, have a higher crime rate. 1.00

00:47:09.000 When you tweet the racial component, tons of people get banned for this all the time.

00:47:13.000 It's the way you frame it.

00:47:15.000 In the past, if you saw that 60% of the crimes were committed by black men, it doesn't mean that you're more likely to have that happen in the future, just because that was the rate of the past. 0.56

00:47:24.000 Doesn't mean that that's the likelihood of the future.

00:47:27.000 So that, I could see, could be looked at as like, he phrased it wrong, he incited... Right, right, right.

00:47:33.000 But it's just... I get it.

00:47:35.000 I don't want to have a semantic argument.

00:47:38.000 In terms of what's going on with the censorship, a better example is Dave Rubin.

00:47:42.000 Did you see what happened with Dave?

00:47:43.000 Yesterday, yeah.

00:47:44.000 Or two days ago.

00:47:45.000 And what did Dave say?

00:47:46.000 No idea, honestly.

00:47:47.000 He got a suspension from Twitter.

00:47:49.000 He got suspended.

00:47:50.000 Not to interrupt you, but I think this is more on topic.

00:47:53.000 It's all on topic.

00:47:54.000 Dave tweeted that, in his opinion, the vaccines aren't doing what they were promised and now they're talking about booster shots.

00:48:00.000 They are talking about booster shots.

00:48:02.000 Dave then, when he came back, he cited the source.

00:48:05.000 And then there's a story from the Washington Post where they say the viral load among people who are vaccinated, it's comparable to those who aren't.

00:48:14.000 And that was Surprising to people.

00:48:17.000 Essentially confirming what Dave said.

00:48:20.000 He got suspended on Twitter for saying, and one of the problems is, this is why I showed this post from, I want to pull this up again, from Facebook where they flagged the CDC as fake news.

00:48:29.000 The reason the CDC got flagged as fake news is because the data changes so rapidly.

00:48:33.000 And so this story comes out, and then people start citing it, and then some other people cite it in probably incorrect ways, and so they say, all right, this link is now off limits.

00:48:44.000 But you know what's crazy?

00:48:46.000 The video of Fauci saying not to wear masks from last March, from March of 2020, still up.

00:48:51.000 Hmm.

00:48:52.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:48:52.000 Actually, I think that there's a broader problem here that's being illustrated.

00:48:56.000 So when I say, you know, tons of academics cite this and there's no, there's no risk of removal.

00:49:00.000 And you say, well, I know a bunch of people, some academics, some pundits that have been removed.

00:49:03.000 A bigger issue is the total unreliable unreliability and BS nature.

00:49:08.000 of all of these social media policies. What accounts for the difference? Probably which

00:49:13.000 single guy at the director level at highest was looking at that post from Riley or Poole or Rubin

00:49:19.000 or whatever at that day? Because when people say things like Taiwan is... It's not a director.

00:49:24.000 Well, it's a junior staffer then. No, no. These are...

00:49:27.000 These are outsourced to tracking farms in India.

00:49:32.000 These are people who sometimes don't even speak English.

00:49:35.000 A stronger version of the same argument.

00:49:36.000 I've actually talked with people who have done this work with Google and Facebook and things like that and they say That there will be someone, you know, in, say, India, who's going through the rules and trying to figure out what's bannable and what isn't, and that's why they have so many mistakes.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, no, I've had actually this same conversation.

00:49:52.000 I'm fully prepared to accept that it's true, by the way, just an enhancement of the same thing.

00:49:56.000 When I started teaching CyberSec back in, like, 2016-17, we had people that were execs in the tech world talk to either me or the students, to at least some extent, and their comment then was it's generally, like, post-college, junior staffer types, If something is really controversial, like a discussion of child pornography, the manager in the room might come take a look at it.

00:50:15.000 But one of the things with- Like right now.

00:50:19.000 Like you just said it, so now someone at YouTube probably got a notification.

00:50:22.000 I mean, well, I think we're- It's true.

00:50:22.000 Maybe.

00:50:25.000 They have a kiosk.

00:50:27.000 where they, so this is what, I'm not gonna name which company does this or did this,

00:50:27.000 Mm-hmm.

00:50:30.000 but there were more than one, they showed me this.

00:50:33.000 Live streams are very dangerous for any one of these companies,

00:50:36.000 because with a video that gets uploaded, algorithms can search them to make sure

00:50:40.000 there's not specific kind of content within that video.

00:50:43.000 So they check for language, you could demonetize, it might get instantly banned.

00:50:46.000 With live streams, they never know what's coming next.

00:50:48.000 So what a couple of companies have done is they have terminals showing hundreds of live streams

00:50:54.000 at any one moment, and they have people watching them.

00:50:56.000 Flicker, yeah.

00:50:57.000 And they look for key phrases to be said or words to be said, and then when they see it,

00:51:02.000 they pull them over to the side, line them up, and then they get the boss to come in.

00:51:06.000 We've had our chat suspended before.

00:51:08.000 One thing I do want to say about this, though, you have had some of these things happen because you're extremely well known in the internet space. 0.81

00:51:14.000 Big data is a lot stupider than most people think it is.

00:51:17.000 I mean, when people say things like, if you're on a pirate site and you click on a file, they can figure out your IP address. 0.94

00:51:23.000 I mean, my IP address is the Starbucks in Frankfort, Kentucky, if hypothetically I would ever commit such an evil sin.

00:51:27.000 Yeah, but your MAC address too.

00:51:28.000 No, but generally MAC stops at the router.

00:51:31.000 You use Tor.

00:51:33.000 MAC stops at almost every router.

00:51:34.000 The router is Starbucks.

00:51:36.000 So it's actually very easy.

00:51:37.000 We're both pretty familiar with computers. 0.96

00:51:39.000 It's not hard to spoof this crap at all. 0.91

00:51:44.000 I actually don't think we're disagreeing here. 0.98

00:51:45.000 One, I think Big Data's real.

00:51:47.000 Like, obviously, first of all, there are probably multi-flagged personalities like Nero back in the day on Twitter that these boys would love to take down.

00:51:55.000 So I'm pretty sure that like Poole, Rogan, maybe five or six others might be on a board with people that are at that higher level just looking for mistakes.

00:52:06.000 Like, for example, I would be very careful to say transgender women during the show.

00:52:09.000 That's actually what I would say during polite conversation anyway, but I mean, it's just, if I were to say something else, who knows?

00:52:15.000 And we actually, as I have with all large-scale media, Tucker Carlson, we had this conversation before the show.

00:52:21.000 But I don't think in the majority of cases, big data is all that good.

00:52:25.000 I mean, you have someone speaking their second language in Bajalapur.

00:52:29.000 Looking at, what would it be per person?

00:52:32.000 35,000 accounts on a daily basis or something?

00:52:34.000 So in general, you have a contradiction where there's a mass amount of all of the content we could describe.

00:52:40.000 I mean, including actual accounts for jihadist groups all over social media.

00:52:45.000 But there are also people that constantly get sanctioned and punished and so on.

00:52:49.000 It's the same way the cops know who the bad kids in town are or whatever.

00:52:52.000 But the key point is that, last sentence, nobody knows what the hell the rules mean.

00:52:56.000 It's almost impossible to get in touch with these companies.

00:52:59.000 I actually once got so irritated with Twitter, I was trying to fix some problem with my account, that I asked on my Twitter, does anyone know the actual address from their initial IPO, the emails and so on they had to list?

00:53:09.000 It's a good way to get this stuff, by the way.

00:53:11.000 And I got it.

00:53:14.000 I worked in that Salesforce trading floor space for a while.

00:53:17.000 We use these tricks all the time.

00:53:18.000 But nobody knows who to talk to.

00:53:20.000 Nobody knows what the rules are.

00:53:21.000 It's a problem.

00:53:22.000 We are entering a new kind of... What's the right word?

00:53:27.000 It's neo-feudalistic in a sense.

00:53:28.000 There's a noble class.

00:53:29.000 There's the modern landed gentry. 1.00

00:53:32.000 And that is to say a few things.

00:53:35.000 We were just talking about, you know, you can't call YouTube.

00:53:37.000 You can't call Twitter.

00:53:38.000 You can't call Google.

00:53:39.000 Okay.

00:53:40.000 Well, I can.

00:53:41.000 Because this is the way the society is starting to function, that you have followers, you have notoriety, then all of a sudden you find out that people are calling you and you have email addresses and they're here for you all of a sudden.

00:53:52.000 You find out that if you get bad service on an airline and you've got 10,000 followers, well you might get a response, but what's that?

00:53:57.000 You got 100,000 followers?

00:53:58.000 Oh, now you're flying first class and they're apologizing.

00:54:01.000 You get a million followers and now you're on that global concierge list.

00:54:05.000 This is where we're going.

00:54:06.000 So for me, actually for other people, I get messages from people and they say, hey, yo, Tim, I had a video get demonetized.

00:54:14.000 Do you have any idea what I can do to get it fixed?

00:54:16.000 And I'm like, honestly, I don't.

00:54:18.000 You can try tweeting at Team YouTube.

00:54:20.000 They try to get things sorted.

00:54:22.000 And it's fairly effective for a lot of people, interestingly.

00:54:25.000 Social media is an easy way to connect.

00:54:26.000 So now we know their handle and we can send them a message and they can see it.

00:54:30.000 And some of these channels are moderately large.

00:54:32.000 When I get demonetized, I hit up Google.

00:54:35.000 I send an email right away and they say, sorry about that, no problem, you got your sorter right away.

00:54:38.000 Sometimes they go like, we're not giving you this one for this or that reason.

00:54:42.000 When the Alex Jones episode got taken down... So here's the first thing.

00:54:46.000 I hit up Google and I said, are there any people that we have that are outright no-nos for YouTube, like you would ban us for simply having?

00:54:53.000 He said, no.

00:54:54.000 And I was like, so here are the people we would like to have on the show.

00:54:57.000 And they're like, absolutely no problem.

00:54:59.000 And then they take the episode down.

00:54:59.000 And then I said, okay.

00:55:02.000 And I ask them why, and they say, we won't tell you.

00:55:04.000 So I'm like, so I have no idea why they're taking it down.

00:55:06.000 So it's not- This is what I'm talking about, by the way.

00:55:08.000 Right.

00:55:09.000 But I'm actually talking to them on the phone.

00:55:12.000 I'm on the phone saying, you can't even tell me what we did.

00:55:15.000 And they're like, we don't know.

00:55:16.000 Because the people who chose this were higher up than we are.

00:55:19.000 So it's almost like this neo-feudalist thing where They are creating classes of people.

00:55:25.000 The average person you can have your account maybe will ban you.

00:55:28.000 A lot of the accounts that are getting banned and getting censored are small, and this is why you don't see it in the media.

00:55:33.000 The left likes to say cancel culture isn't real because these celebrities still are rich or something.

00:55:37.000 But what they don't realize is that 90% of those who got suspended and deleted for a political opinion were someone with 50 followers or 100 followers.

00:55:44.000 And now they're IP banned, they can't get back on the service, and they're like, okay, whatever, I guess.

00:55:48.000 So the lower class individuals, in terms of the social hierarchy, the social credit score, whatever they're building, will have no access to Facebook, will have no one to message, will simply say, please, and they'll say, bug off, we don't care, and then the people who have prominence are given access.

00:56:07.000 It's a combination of, they'll look for you to make sure they're worried about your social influence, but also, when it comes to Facebook, I know people.

00:56:17.000 Like, I know people in the news industry and they say, here's the email you need, Tim.

00:56:20.000 Don't worry about it.

00:56:21.000 Regular people don't have that.

00:56:23.000 So now we're seeing this weird world where people are desperate to have followers because it makes them feel like they can finally get access to systems and be treated fairly.

00:56:30.000 Yeah, I will say also, when I mentioned coming from the sales or trading floor space, there are a whole variety of platforms.

00:56:36.000 I mean, back in the day, it was Manta, Lead411, so on, Instant Checkmate works well now, where you can pull up the contacts for the executives at most companies, including some of the social companies.

00:56:45.000 Like when we got genuinely irritated at Twitter, we started, I mean, I started doing that.

00:56:49.000 So, I mean, you can look at IPO filings, you can look at who the listed executives online

00:56:55.000 are.

00:56:56.000 I mean, it's possible to contact, at one point I called Mark Cuban during a job at the company

00:56:59.000 Marcus Evans, like all that stuff's easily available.

00:57:01.000 Like you can, if you do get one number, you can call into the company and just sort of

00:57:04.000 dial off.

00:57:05.000 Seven's the mail room.

00:57:06.000 You know, I had this number on a corporate reference for Jack Dorsey.

00:57:09.000 Look, I don't have a lot of time to waste here.

00:57:11.000 Can you tell me what his number is?

00:57:13.000 Don't need to sell a secretary's fine.

00:57:14.000 Whatever.

00:57:15.000 And it works.

00:57:16.000 Most of the people I've known that have a similar financial background haven't had a lot of issues with these companies.

00:57:21.000 But of course, I mean, to some extent, this is just saying what you're saying.

00:57:23.000 Like, yeah, you're a stockbroker for 10 years.

00:57:24.000 You probably get in touch with them, too.

00:57:27.000 Again, there are two levels here.

00:57:29.000 One, it's generally not that hard to break the rules of the law and not get caught.

00:57:33.000 At the most basic level, like if you're IP banned, I mean, which is a real thing, like you can just download Tor and your IP will be Fiji.

00:57:40.000 If you have 50 followers on Twitter, it wouldn't be hard to get back on Twitter and be a troll.

00:57:45.000 Frankly.

00:57:46.000 But again, the question is, should you have to do that?

00:57:48.000 I'd prefer to see, when we talk about politicians potentially regulating these brands or sparring back and forth with them, one thing that I would like to see is just a common sense demand that these rules be illustrated.

00:57:59.000 What does this mean?

00:58:00.000 What is hate speech?

00:58:01.000 What do you mean you can't tell me who my prohibited guests are?

00:58:04.000 This happens all the time.

00:58:05.000 Well, there's no prohibited guests, but they won't tell me what was said that got the video flagged again.

00:58:09.000 We can only make assumptions about what we think was actually said.

00:58:12.000 And so when I said to them, listen, we'll make clips from the show and we'll remove whatever you said was against the rules, and they said, we won't tell you.

00:58:19.000 And I'm like, well, what do you want me to do?

00:58:21.000 You got to keep in mind, they all have the ability to ban anyone at any time, as per their terms.

00:58:26.000 Every social media site has that in their terms.

00:58:28.000 That's got to change.

00:58:29.000 It's time for some... Will Chamberlain's got it.

00:58:33.000 He's a smart fella.

00:58:34.000 He knows.

00:58:35.000 When Dave got suspended, he said Dave should go into a courtroom, get an injunction, get his account turned back right on.

00:58:40.000 Turned right on.

00:58:40.000 I think you're going to see people starting to do that.

00:58:42.000 It's the same thing.

00:58:44.000 There was an entire genre of legal cases in the 80s and 90s, as you guys probably know, where people started talking about non-traditional property, like the right to receive welfare benefits if welfare happened to be legal in their state.

00:58:55.000 And it's the same thing here.

00:58:57.000 Do you have some right not to have, what is Dave at, three, four million followers and your financial livelihood taken away on a whim?

00:59:06.000 I'd be interested in seeing what a judge says about that. 0.63

00:59:08.000 I mean, there, there has to be some element of contracting there.

00:59:11.000 I mean, has he entered into an advertising deal with YouTube or Twitter?

00:59:15.000 Has he ever made them a dollar?

00:59:16.000 Because then, I mean, you have, what is it, offer acceptance consideration?

00:59:20.000 Dave, Dave just launched a book and they suspended him.

00:59:23.000 I believe it was when his book, around the same time his book is coming out.

00:59:27.000 I'll say straight up, if this was the day his book was coming out, they suspended his

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:27.000 Okay.

00:59:31.000 account, that he should take the first hour of sales, as soon as he was able to promote

00:59:36.000 on Twitter, calculate his losses based on the 12 hours, and then say those are the damages.

00:59:41.000 Because he would have been able to say, hey, my pre-order's available now, here's my new

00:59:44.000 book, tweet.

00:59:45.000 They suspended him, and he didn't violate any rules.

00:59:48.000 They claimed he did.

00:59:49.000 And not only that, I think Dave should file a defamation suit because they claimed that he put out medical misinformation, but Dave was citing the Washington Post and I think it was Click Orlando.

00:59:58.000 I'm not sure what the other site he meant.

00:59:59.000 CNN.

01:00:00.000 It was CNN and Washington Post.

01:00:01.000 And he's like, what did I, I posted these, these articles.

01:00:04.000 Like it was, it was a statement based on this.

01:00:05.000 They claimed it was misinformation, in which case that's a false statement of fact.

01:00:10.000 So he should at least try to sue, and the damages are that his new book is coming out and they're shutting down his means for promotion.

01:00:17.000 This is a platform where people pay to get access to share information.

01:00:21.000 So if Dave has built up that access, which creates the content which drives advertisement to the platform, I think it's time people start firing off these lawsuits saying, you can't do this.

01:00:31.000 But they're allowed to ban anyone at any time.

01:00:34.000 He signed that terms of service when he made an account.

01:00:36.000 Right, but what you don't understand is I'm arguing that That has to change, and it changes with suing.

01:00:42.000 So precedent will be set, for instance, Twitter defamed Dave Rubin.

01:00:47.000 See, one of the problems they have is that they could have just said, no reason, we banned him for fun.

01:00:51.000 And they may start.

01:00:52.000 Maybe they should.

01:00:52.000 They've done it to other people.

01:00:52.000 They didn't.

01:00:54.000 They've suspended people and put no reason at all.

01:00:57.000 It's just like, you've been suspended for blank.

01:00:59.000 With Dave, it was misinformation.

01:01:00.000 I believe it was, you know, I don't wanna get sued either, but I believe it was misinformation, I could be wrong.

01:01:05.000 And Dave could say that's just factually not true.

01:01:08.000 James O'Keefe is suing, specifically because they claim- That's good, I'm not surprised by that.

01:01:12.000 Right, he was- I mean, he's the master of it.

01:01:14.000 They said he was operating multiple accounts, so he said, that's fake, that's a lie, it's a false statement of fact, and I'm gonna sue you.

01:01:20.000 And that was a big mistake, because now he can go for discovery and get internal communications on what they've said about him and his organization.

01:01:29.000 So, Dave should sue.

01:01:32.000 Yeah, the one question, by the way, in terms of your point, I think it's a good one when you say, well, they're saying that they can get rid of you for the legal language would be any reason or no reason at all.

01:01:41.000 So even if you sue and you prove that you were defamed, you might get some money damages, but they can still likely keep you off the site.

01:01:48.000 I think the issue there is, is that what's called an unethical adhesion contract?

01:01:52.000 Like, can you sign a deal with a company that is going to give you the chance to make tens of millions of dollars where they can take all of your money and all of your followers away at any time?

01:02:04.000 I don't, I mean, law school was a while ago, but I would have some real questions about whether you can. 0.87

01:02:09.000 I would have some real questions about, now that these sites are growing into serious businesses, whether you can do some of this junior varsity crap.

01:02:17.000 Like, for no reason given, remove someone from your platform permanently and take their entire follower count away.

01:02:24.000 That sounds very questionable.

01:02:26.000 I mean, that's going back to the early days of Facebook, when people had a hundred friends.

01:02:31.000 Not only that, but there's an expectation based on the rules they set.

01:02:36.000 So of course they say you can be terminated for any reason.

01:02:39.000 We reserve that right.

01:02:41.000 But there is still an expectation that these are the rules you have to follow.

01:02:44.000 And so long as you follow them, you are within bounds of being on the platform.

01:02:48.000 Dave broke no rules.

01:02:50.000 Yeah, but you don't need to break rules to get booted off those.

01:02:52.000 They can just ban you at any moment.

01:02:54.000 Right, so the issue is, is it an unfair contract?

01:02:56.000 Definitely.

01:02:58.000 If I said to you, Ian, you can come here and do all this work, and then have a great opportunity, and so long as you don't say a naughty word, you're fine.

01:03:12.000 And then one day, after you've been working here for a long time, I just kick you out the door.

01:03:16.000 And you're like, but I didn't break any rules.

01:03:17.000 Eh, it doesn't matter, it's my house.

01:03:18.000 like a right what is a right to work state what i mean is it there are certain contracts that are

01:03:24.000 unenforceable right so uh non-competes in many states i don't know if you went to law school

01:03:28.000 you said yes i did yeah like non-competes are unenforceable and out of states right

01:03:31.000 that's my understanding yeah so the there are contractual terms that are generally not enforceable

01:03:38.000 An open non-compete clause extending beyond a certain short period of time often is.

01:03:42.000 I'd have to look at the case law.

01:03:44.000 But the issue here I think would be more what's called an adhesion contract, where if you sign a contract with a player like your camera company, when you look at the back of the box of a piece of tech equipment, the terms and conditions go on for 16 printed out pages in a couple situations I've seen, and at the end you check your X and you submit.

01:04:04.000 If that contract were to include something like, if this piece of equipment breaks, you owe us $1,000, or something completely ridiculous, that wouldn't be enforceable, because it would be understood that that's nonsense that the person with more power put into the text of the deal.

01:04:20.000 Like, that would be disputed as very unsympathetic.

01:04:22.000 And I think, I don't know, I actually think your point's a really good point, but I think social media, My actual reaction is, come on bro it can't work that way.

01:04:30.000 Like, even with me at like 40,000 plus maybe like 20,000 on different other platforms, like...

01:04:37.000 That's, I've been, my books have made bestseller lists.

01:04:40.000 Like it, if you were just to say, okay, we're going to take these 60,000 people away and we're going to set up some kind of permanent ban so that you, I mean, I could, or you could easily, but the average citizen couldn't get back on the platform.

01:04:51.000 That's just total BS.

01:04:53.000 Like it's, it's you having the power position in the contract doing something that's probably illegal.

01:04:58.000 So like, I couldn't sign a contract with you. 0.87

01:05:00.000 Like Tim couldn't sign a contract that says, if you want to work here and be say a video engineer, I get to punch you in the face twice a day.

01:05:07.000 Because it would be a manipulative use of power position.

01:05:10.000 I got a better example.

01:05:11.000 I couldn't say, Ian, you can come work on the show, and to work on the show you obviously have to be in the house, and I can evict you from the property without notice at any time.

01:05:21.000 That's actually against the law.

01:05:23.000 I don't know.

01:05:24.000 When it comes, it literally is.

01:05:25.000 It is because there's a, there's a separate law that regulates eviction

01:05:29.000 in every state, not to jump in.

01:05:30.000 I, that, that's actually a solid point.

01:05:31.000 And that actually kind of gets to the point here.

01:05:33.000 Like, are there other laws, for example, that protect, protect against say,

01:05:37.000 undo deprivation of income is a claim you might be able to bring.

01:05:41.000 Like if a company just says.

01:05:43.000 Like any company could do this.

01:05:45.000 Like, I just got a fairly new vehicle.

01:05:47.000 Could Mercedes or BMW say something like, if you miss one payment on your car loan, or better yet, if you miss one maintenance trip for your vehicle, we take the vehicle back?

01:06:00.000 Can you just say any kind of ridiculous thing in a contract when you're selling a product someone else really needs?

01:06:06.000 Often, no.

01:06:07.000 Not only that, but typically repossessions are forfeiture.

01:06:10.000 So if you have a car and you don't pay your loan payment for two months, they may say, we're going to move to repossess the car because you're delinquent.

01:06:18.000 Typically, it's not usually two months.

01:06:20.000 You can actually just tell the repo guy, it's my car.

01:06:22.000 You can't take it.

01:06:23.000 I'm challenging this as a civil dispute.

01:06:25.000 And they can't take it.

01:06:25.000 A lot of people don't know that.

01:06:27.000 So the repo guy shows up and they go, OK.

01:06:29.000 And the repo guy says, you got it.

01:06:30.000 And that's the game they play.

01:06:32.000 In fact, you can just call the police and say, I'm in a civil dispute, you can't take my property.

01:06:35.000 And they'll say, that's right, you can't.

01:06:37.000 So in this instance, I wonder if, you know, you mentioned about undue deprivation of income.

01:06:43.000 I think the eviction thing is an interesting point.

01:06:45.000 There may be laws that people haven't looked at or realized that you're entering into an agreement that grants you some kind of access to a system.

01:06:53.000 So it's almost like, at the very least, We created laws to protect tenants for a reason.

01:06:59.000 And maybe we can view social media accounts as us as tenants on a platform.

01:07:03.000 We are using it to run a business.

01:07:05.000 Considering a lot of the economy is now digital, especially with the way YouTube does superchats and the way people run their business on these digital platforms, we are effectively tenants of these platforms, and we have a contractual agreement.

01:07:16.000 But they can evict us without notice immediately?

01:07:18.000 Hey man, when you have a business or a house you at least get 30 days and you can file a suit to argue why they can't do this to you, Now, Dave Rubin can be on this platform, creating entertaining content and informative content that builds up an audience on the platform that makes them money, providing a service to them, and then without notice, without due process, they kick him off for a false reason, and defame him in the process.

01:07:41.000 Imagine if your landlord came to your house, and you had a pizza shop, and they put up a big sign saying, this pizza shop puts Dookie in their pizza, and then called the cops and the cops came and kicked you out.

01:07:51.000 We got to remove defamation just for the argument's sake because they can remove you for no reason.

01:07:56.000 So I think that's worse.

01:07:58.000 I'm saying specifically in the case of Dave Rubin equate it to if Dave was running his business in a physical location, he'd have legal protection.

01:08:03.000 One day they just evicted him without notice.

01:08:05.000 One day Dave walks to his pizza shop and he shows up and the building's empty and all of his stuff is out in the street, soaking wet in the rain.

01:08:11.000 Or they would keep the stuff.

01:08:12.000 I mean, the stuff you make at that, in their job, is YouTube's content.

01:08:15.000 I mean, as far as I know, this is YouTube's video right now, right?

01:08:20.000 Better yet, better yet.

01:08:21.000 Dave walks one day to his pizza place to open up, but, you know, he's got to get there at 9 a.m.

01:08:25.000 because they open up for the early lunch, and all of his equipment has been crushed and mutilated and destroyed, and it's a permanent destruction of everything he's built and everything of value, because Twitter followers and accounts do have a market value.

01:08:37.000 It's been calculated by companies.

01:08:38.000 Companies pay money for the equivalent of reach.

01:08:41.000 And they say to him, the least said we can do whatever we want.

01:08:44.000 We have laws saying you can't do that for obvious reasons.

01:08:47.000 Because this would, it's disruptive to the economy.

01:08:50.000 As we're moving into a digital economy, how can we have that people build their business on YouTube?

01:08:54.000 Mumkey Jones deserves a shout out whenever this happens. 1.00

01:08:57.000 Mumkey broke no rules. 0.85

01:08:58.000 Mumkey made, Mumkey Jones had a channel.

01:09:01.000 He had 300 and something thousand subscribers.

01:09:03.000 It was his business.

01:09:04.000 It was his life.

01:09:05.000 He dedicated years to building that business and he broke no rules.

01:09:08.000 He was given no warning and everything was destroyed overnight.

01:09:12.000 At the very least, I understand the argument.

01:09:14.000 They say in their contract they can do it.

01:09:15.000 Well, certainly there should be a law saying they can't because it's undue deprivation and it's eviction without notice.

01:09:21.000 I think we need a monkey broke no rules shirt.

01:09:24.000 That's a great phrase.

01:09:25.000 Monkey broke no rules.

01:09:26.000 I don't know anything about this guy, though.

01:09:29.000 He made a lot of really edgy content, and he pushed the envelope in a way, but he didn't break the rules.

01:09:38.000 Those people are tough.

01:09:39.000 As an admin, those people are tough to deal with.

01:09:41.000 When they get around the rules, that's why we put in clauses at mines anyway, we can remove anything at any time, because people would be so snaky with the rules to get the most disgusting stuff in front of people, in front of kids, it's crazy.

01:09:55.000 So I will say that it's arguable that the content he made was distasteful to a lot of people, but how about they just say, hey guy, this one video you made, we're gonna take it down.

01:10:07.000 But then he did it over and over and over.

01:10:08.000 No, they didn't do that.

01:10:09.000 They banned him without even giving a single strike.

01:10:11.000 One day, all of a sudden, his channel was just gone, and they banned his second channel, which was, like, anime reviews or something.

01:10:17.000 It was brutal.

01:10:18.000 It was brutal.

01:10:19.000 I understand the strike system.

01:10:20.000 I understand the warning system.

01:10:21.000 And if you see three-plus strikes at once, you ban the account upright.

01:10:25.000 Because they got three strikes all at the same time.

01:10:25.000 Instantly.

01:10:26.000 Isn't this guy back on a bunch of edge social media as Simmy and Jimmy and doing better?

01:10:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:31.000 Okay.

01:10:31.000 Probably.

01:10:32.000 Yeah, Monkey Jones aka Simeon Jimmy.

01:10:34.000 The first hit is his wikitubia fandom.

01:10:37.000 People are loving this guy.

01:10:38.000 From bass to erased, my story is Monkey Jones.

01:10:43.000 Monkey Jones, IMDB.

01:10:46.000 So he had... If Kong loses, I'm going to, let's say, end it all.

01:10:51.000 OK, I see the issues here.

01:10:53.000 Finally leaking all of my DMs.

01:10:55.000 OK, so he was making edgy content about an individual I'm not going to name, who is a despicable individual.

01:11:01.000 And it didn't break any of their specified rules.

01:11:04.000 And they didn't even just like, how about this?

01:11:08.000 Here's an email.

01:11:09.000 Hey, look, we understand, you know, this is the content you produce.

01:11:12.000 Here are the terms we set forward.

01:11:13.000 we're asking you right now, don't do these things, otherwise we'll have to ban you." 0.83

01:11:18.000 And he would have said yes.

01:11:20.000 The same thing with Carl Benjamin.

01:11:21.000 I said this when Patreon banned him.

01:11:23.000 I was like, Patreon banned Carl without warning overnight because of something he said on

01:11:28.000 a livestream like a year prior.

01:11:31.000 And if they had just gone to him and said, hey, we saw that you were on a stream and

01:11:34.000 you said these things, it causes problems for us because we're getting a lot of bad

01:11:38.000 We'd appreciate it if you would, if you wouldn't do this.

01:11:40.000 Carl would have been like, all right, I don't want to lose my Patreon.

01:11:44.000 So, you know, no problem.

01:11:45.000 But they didn't, they just nuke his income instantly.

01:11:46.000 What do you think about small websites?

01:11:49.000 Like if you started a website that people could sign into and it had like 500 users that, that you would retain the right to ban anyone at any time.

01:11:57.000 People who are not using the platform to run a business.

01:12:00.000 You don't know why, but it's like a small social media site.

01:12:03.000 So this is the difference between Twitter being a convention center that's contracting you to set up a kiosk and a pizza place having a chair where someone can sit down to enjoy your pizza.

01:12:13.000 So if I have a website with users, and I do, hey, go to TimCast.com, become a member.

01:12:17.000 That's more akin to like me having a pizza shop and I come in the morning, I open the door and someone comes and sits down in the diner, in the dining room section.

01:12:24.000 So, yeah, I can throw them out, because we don't have a contractual agreement other than it's a public accommodation for them to come.

01:12:30.000 Now, to be fair, there is still, for websites where you pay membership, there is a bit of an agreement.

01:12:35.000 Like, you'd have to actually have a civil dispute over the currency if someone was paying to be a member, and then you kicked them out when they were still active members.

01:12:41.000 So if you're like a country club, you can get into a dispute if someone's like, I pay to be here, and they throw them out anyway, and they say, well, you broke the rules.

01:12:47.000 You can still get into those conflicts.

01:12:49.000 But I'll say Twitter's more like McCormick Place.

01:12:51.000 You know McCormick Place, right?

01:12:52.000 Yeah, of course.

01:12:53.000 The massive Chicago Convention Center.

01:12:56.000 That's why I'm pretty sure it's public.

01:12:56.000 It's public, right?

01:12:58.000 Is that the Merchandise Smart?

01:12:59.000 Yeah, well, anyone can book that entire area.

01:13:02.000 I mean, if you want to hold an event there, it's giant.

01:13:05.000 What is it, like 100,000, 200,000 square feet or something?

01:13:05.000 Massive!

01:13:07.000 Yeah, it's the biggest of its kind in the Midwest.

01:13:09.000 I think there's an equivalent in New York, maybe.

01:13:11.000 It's amazing how massive.

01:13:12.000 Is it Merchandise Smart?

01:13:13.000 No, no, no, McCormick Place.

01:13:14.000 Oh, McCormick Place.

01:13:15.000 There's actually two.

01:13:15.000 Yeah, it's on the lake.

01:13:16.000 You can go in a tunnel.

01:13:17.000 But they do a bunch of events there and car shows.

01:13:20.000 If they said, you can come in and set up your kiosk here to display your product during this big convention, and then you go in, and then this generates ticket sales for the greater event, or you pay, you know, or something, or even if they let you in for free, you're spending time, energy, and money to be there.

01:13:39.000 For them to just come and just tear down and destroy what you've set up, it costs you money.

01:13:45.000 Dave's account.

01:13:45.000 It costs him money to operate.

01:13:47.000 I understand it's not as much as, like, running an actual brick-and-mortar shop.

01:13:50.000 But a lot of people, their Twitter accounts are based on labor they actually do.

01:13:53.000 There have been people, journalists, who have been banned, and they actually go on the ground and they film things.

01:13:59.000 There have been activist accounts that have paid to go on the ground and livestream and film, and they've been banned for this.

01:14:05.000 So these are people who invested hard currency to be on a platform who were banned for no reason.

01:14:09.000 There were Occupy Wall Street activists, people who do not like me, who I defended, They were banned and they broke no rules.

01:14:16.000 We can't operate a system like this. 0.99

01:14:17.000 The problem is the Democrats will absolutely never, never push forward a law like this because they're ideologically in a strong position with their ideology controlling these things and Republicans won't do it because Republicans are worthless morons. 0.99

01:14:29.000 I'm very like laissez-faire about this kind of stuff. 0.96

01:14:32.000 I don't like the government imposing laws on the corporations about how they have to run their business.

01:14:36.000 But I'm also very against monopolies.

01:14:38.000 And I think they've kind of monopolized the social media.

01:14:40.000 I wonder what you think about this idea that once a social network gets large enough, we free their software code via law.

01:14:47.000 you know, we break up the monopoly of their code.

01:14:49.000 So other people can spin up like another YouTube that can co-interoperate with other YouTube.

01:14:54.000 So you can subscribe to YouTube on their main users on the main account,

01:14:57.000 but you can create your own terms of service on your site.

01:15:00.000 So it will create a marketplace of ideas for terms of service.

01:15:05.000 Basically, it'll create, the market will be not who has the best technology, it'll be who has the best terms.

01:15:10.000 Ian, that's like saying if the city comes and destroys your business with a wrecking ball, you can just go and build another building somewhere else.

01:15:20.000 It's very different than physical property.

01:15:22.000 Can you afford to do it?

01:15:23.000 It doesn't cost anything.

01:15:24.000 I mean, it doesn't really cost, you don't have to build things.

01:15:26.000 Just to like chip in, because I mean, you guys are both making excellent points, but in terms of what you said, I think the solution there is probably a little off.

01:15:34.000 Yeah, but it's nowhere near as effective as Facebook.

01:15:37.000 source code so anyone can know how to, for example, build these kind of sites.

01:15:40.000 I mean, I think most of the table is competent enough with tech to at least retain someone

01:15:45.000 to do that.

01:15:46.000 I mean, you had Parler, for example.

01:15:47.000 Yeah, but it's nowhere near as effective as Facebook.

01:15:49.000 If you look at their site functionality, they have like Marketplace, they have like dating

01:15:52.000 sites, they have an amazing messenger app, incredible algorithms.

01:15:56.000 But I mean, Parler's direct competitor is Twitter.

01:15:58.000 I'd say Parler is about 90% as good and they were a lot freer.

01:16:01.000 I mean, Twitter only has one like or respond function still to this date on tweets.

01:16:05.000 You can't edit tweets.

01:16:07.000 The issue with Parler wasn't that their tech code was a little bit worse, it was that they were destroyed by corporate monopolists.

01:16:14.000 I mean, after they were falsely accused of being responsible for the Capitol rioting... And it was lies from the media.

01:16:21.000 All lies.

01:16:22.000 Yeah, we now know that explicitly.

01:16:23.000 That was coordinated primarily through Facebook, which was a more boomer piece of tech in the first place.

01:16:27.000 I'm not surprised by that at all.

01:16:29.000 But I mean, Parler was immediately the scapegoat.

01:16:31.000 Like, it can't be the big two.

01:16:33.000 It can't be the big two.

01:16:34.000 I think some messaging went out.

01:16:36.000 And so, I mean, you saw this incredible stuff, like, what is it, Amazon Online, whatever their... AWS, yeah.

01:16:43.000 Amazon Web Services, Amazon Web Services servers, yeah.

01:16:46.000 But, I mean, their actual ability to run a website at the basic level of working with the server, working with the provider at the top level, was taken away.

01:16:56.000 I mean, they were taken off the app stores, and it turns out there are only two or three of those.

01:17:00.000 Two, in fact.

01:17:01.000 So, I mean, that's what destroyed Parler.

01:17:04.000 And I think that gets back to a bigger issue here, which is, I totally respect your point.

01:17:10.000 I'm very libertarian on a lot of issues.

01:17:12.000 When you say, I don't like the government interfering with big tech, sure.

01:17:16.000 The issue comes up when you're dealing with businesses that are nearly as powerful as the government.

01:17:21.000 I mean, and this is true even outside of tech.

01:17:23.000 If you ask someone whether they wanted to be the CEO of Disney or the governor of Montana, no power-seeking person would say, I would want to be the governor of Montana.

01:17:31.000 These Fortune 500 companies are extraordinarily powerful players.

01:17:35.000 And when you get into tech, when you get into the literal control of speech, I mean, you see that Facebook, Twitter, these kind of Google, have more control over speech, what we see and now what we can say, than really anyone else in the game.

01:17:47.000 Certainly, They have more influence than most state-level governments in the USA.

01:17:52.000 So kind of getting to the point, I mean, like, if we say we don't want the government to regulate the tech boys, and there are only four or five people that are actually in charge of these tech companies, and they're racing each other to Mars and home-built rockets, these guys are not going to just decide to regulate their business.

01:18:08.000 The state, at some level... I like legislation to be as simple as possible, but for the state to come in and say, Due to the fact that this probably violates other well-known laws against, for example, adhesion, you can't simply terminate accounts for any reason or no reason at all, just as you can't fire people because of their race, for example.

01:18:28.000 There are caveats like this all throughout the law.

01:18:30.000 I wouldn't have a problem with that.

01:18:32.000 I think for right now, though, legally, you might be correct.

01:18:34.000 It's up in the air between us.

01:18:36.000 It's positioned, the ball's probably somewhere between what we're saying.

01:18:39.000 I think his point is just you shouldn't be able to.

01:18:39.000 Can you do that?

01:18:41.000 If people are going to pressure Congress, that's the thing.

01:18:44.000 Right, my argument is that we need to make laws to enforce this.

01:18:47.000 We need to make laws to definitively state it.

01:18:49.000 However, there's also a path towards filing lawsuits and making the correct arguments.

01:18:53.000 So one of the problems is, I hear from conservatives all the time that you can't sue for X, you can't sue for Y, and I'm like, you can, you just need to make a good argument, Yes.

01:19:02.000 and then get it before a judge and then see if they agree with you

01:19:05.000 because like the reality is i've seen judges have really awful rulings

01:19:09.000 i've seen judges have ruling where like all of legal twitter was like what was

01:19:13.000 he thinking this ruling but the judge said it

01:19:16.000 so here's what you do there's gotta be some i've i've seen some lawsuits

01:19:19.000 pertaining to like defamation and bannings and i'm like what were these

01:19:22.000 lawyers thinking These lawyers don't know anything about the platform, and they don't know how to make an argument to a judge about this.

01:19:28.000 This is the issue.

01:19:29.000 I don't want to say something as simple as boomers don't get tech, but I assume all of you, I assume you guys, given interest range, watched the set of hearings on the internet probably four or five years back where people were saying things like, it's a series of tubes.

01:19:40.000 Oh yeah, of course.

01:19:41.000 Yeah, you got that information packed into them pipes there.

01:19:44.000 The cloud.

01:19:46.000 I'll tell you my favorite thing I've ever heard.

01:19:48.000 When I was working in live streaming, I was developing mobile apps, and I was at a conference with a bunch of well-off individuals, and I was talking about how we're trying to build an app where we can do these photos, we do live streaming, and the woman goes, the cloud!

01:20:04.000 And I was like, yes?

01:20:05.000 And she goes, the cloud!

01:20:06.000 And I was like, sure, what about it?

01:20:08.000 And she goes, why don't you use the cloud?

01:20:11.000 And I was like, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

01:20:14.000 She's like, use the cloud. 0.67

01:20:16.000 It's like, have you considered that?

01:20:17.000 And I'm like, are you saying that we should have servers?

01:20:21.000 Like, do you know what the cloud means?

01:20:24.000 She didn't.

01:20:25.000 It was a buzz.

01:20:26.000 Something might be hosted remotely.

01:20:27.000 I mean, it's novel stuff.

01:20:29.000 We're gonna have a data center.

01:20:30.000 I'm like, what?

01:20:31.000 And she thought she had this profound idea about what the cloud, I'm like, the cloud isn't a new thing.

01:20:37.000 It's a, it's like a buzz term.

01:20:38.000 It's like a branding word.

01:20:40.000 Just means like hosting your site, like a data center.

01:20:43.000 We're going to build gaseous servers that are like you spray chemicals into the air and that's going to host your data.

01:20:50.000 And then you'll fire lasers through it to access the data.

01:20:53.000 And it'll actually be cloud data.

01:20:55.000 Because lasers can solidify gas.

01:20:57.000 You can then pack that data into the tubes and you can get it To the internet.

01:21:01.000 To Mars and back.

01:21:02.000 It's really, it's good stuff.

01:21:03.000 I mean, but yeah, this, this is all funny, but actually this ties into something that we really do look at in political science, which is the extremely advanced age being polite for the medium of politicians.

01:21:14.000 So like when people are talking about a situation like the 78 year old Joe Biden, if I have that correct, running against like the 74 year old Trump, and people are saying things like Trump is five years younger.

01:21:22.000 He's much more vigorous.

01:21:24.000 He's ready to go.

01:21:25.000 He was spry.

01:21:26.000 That's true.

01:21:27.000 I mean, you know, I'm pretty sure that if you're running for president of the United States, there are people, you know, following you around, spritzing you with virgin blood and grinding up five Adderall into your banana smoothie, hypothetically.

01:21:39.000 But I mean, like, so, my only comment with this is, the issue with a lot of this is that the typical, what is it, circuit court level, maybe district court level, federal judge, doesn't know a whole hell of a lot about the complexities of the internet.

01:21:52.000 So people tend to resort to heuristics in times like that.

01:21:55.000 Like, yep, I don't like messing with a man's private business. 0.66

01:21:58.000 But the reality is that if we want to prevent something like... There's no reason Twitter couldn't shut down the Republican Party.

01:22:06.000 Oh they could.

01:22:08.000 They took an active sitting president of the United States.

01:22:11.000 People forget how crazy this is.

01:22:13.000 Because we're focusing so much on the media, which leans 93% left, or left and left leaning moderates, focus on like 1-6.

01:22:20.000 Immediately following what was an embarrassing graphic series of incidents, social media Worked together to ban the sitting president from every major social media platform.

01:22:31.000 He's not on Facebook.

01:22:32.000 He's not on Twitter.

01:22:33.000 I think YouTube may have restored some content.

01:22:36.000 But I mean, like, I was actually talking to a female friend of mine, and she was like, I was at, what's the expensive bike peloton?

01:22:43.000 I was at the Peloton gym, and you can't search Trump on Peloton.

01:22:47.000 Like, if you're messaging the other women in the gym, there are words you can't use, like MAGA, you know, CAG, I'm not gonna get into some of the other stuff about the election, but you can't refer to Trump on Twitter, and like, the Ivanka and Melania accounts on Peloton.

01:23:00.000 I have not verified this myself, but we're gone.

01:23:03.000 Like, these aren't things you can see on the social portion of Peloton.

01:23:08.000 I assume that's true, but I mean, I know it's true for Pinterest, for example.

01:23:11.000 The man vanished.

01:23:12.000 He was non-personed.

01:23:14.000 And anyone can be non-personed in this fashion.

01:23:17.000 There's nothing to prevent a conservative billionaire, assuming they're already in this field, from taking down the Democrats or certainly the Greens, and there's nothing to prevent the more prevalent Leftist tech bros from saying the Republican Party is responsible for three incidents of vaguely defined hate speech.

01:23:32.000 They're gone.

01:23:33.000 The question is whether they should be able to do that.

01:23:35.000 And I think the consensus here, we're having an interesting moral and almost semantic debate, but I think the consensus kind of has to be no.

01:23:41.000 Well, my question, though, is how would you let the government dictate what corporations have to make their terms of service?

01:23:47.000 Like, would you let the government write the terms of service?

01:23:49.000 Oh, hell no, because they don't know what they're doing.

01:23:50.000 Actually, I think that started it all.

01:23:52.000 But finish, please.

01:23:53.000 I don't want to bust in there.

01:23:53.000 And then I guess you answered that.

01:23:55.000 But the follow up would be like, at what level do you command that a social network is allowed to ban people and that has to stop banning people for what?

01:24:03.000 And how do you define what hate speech means?

01:24:06.000 Just crime.

01:24:06.000 How does it go down?

01:24:07.000 I wouldn't get into any of that, actually.

01:24:09.000 I think, Tim, you and I might be on the same page.

01:24:11.000 Just quickly, from my end, one, I think law works best when it's extremely short and clear.

01:24:17.000 So I would simply say that adhesion contracts are illegal in the context of social media.

01:24:22.000 Solved 70% of it.

01:24:22.000 Boom.

01:24:24.000 And then I would say, like, For example, actually, I teach a con law class at KSU, and there already are exceptions to the rule of free speech.

01:24:34.000 You guys might correct me if I miss one, but there's obviously pornography involving inappropriately young people or non-human subjects.

01:24:43.000 Keeping it virtuous for social media.

01:24:48.000 No, uh, no sheep or boys.

01:24:49.000 I mean, that's an exception generally, although we're, for whatever reason, relaxing on sheep here in the USA.

01:24:55.000 Um, but no open fraud, no lies for more than $500 or whatever it is, state by state, ever.

01:25:00.000 No libel, no slander.

01:25:02.000 That's actually your point about- Well, that's civil tort, right?

01:25:05.000 Yeah, that's civil tort, but okay, yeah.

01:25:07.000 Not criminally banned but still enforced.

01:25:09.000 I think it would be reasonable to put that level of civil tort in it.

01:25:11.000 We're talking about the same sort of thing.

01:25:13.000 And then direct incitement to serious violence.

01:25:17.000 Those would be the exceptions to free speech, three criminal, one civil.

01:25:20.000 I would have no problem with saying social media can block that content but nothing else.

01:25:26.000 Well what about spam?

01:25:28.000 I mean, how do you define it?

01:25:30.000 Exactly, how do you define it?

01:25:32.000 You block people you don't like.

01:25:34.000 Yeah, but you can destroy networks if you keep spamming them.

01:25:37.000 A DDoS attack is different from just spam.

01:25:39.000 But you can still destroy networks.

01:25:41.000 And you can make an argument about something's disorderly conduct, harassment, or assault.

01:25:44.000 Actually, a DDoS attack would be illegal in the majority of US states, right?

01:25:48.000 That's getting into the actual sort of hacking.

01:25:50.000 Hacking is a term I hate, but it's getting into that space, like cyber war.

01:25:54.000 If somebody keeps posting the same message, it would be akin to if someone kept mailing you a letter every single day.

01:25:54.000 Yeah, cyber attack.

01:26:00.000 You'd go to your postal carrier and say, stop delivering these to me, throw them in the trash.

01:26:03.000 Put them in a new account, and then you get a bunch of accounts to do it.

01:26:07.000 If they can't preemptively ban those, then you have harassment.

01:26:11.000 If harassment is actually no one person spamming you and then they spam will and they spam me and they spam Lydia We all block them that keeps spanning new people.

01:26:19.000 That's when the site will step in and ban those people So a lot of legal love scribe. 1.00

01:26:23.000 Oh, that's legal to know it is I can I can it's right on the line guys actually as some of the legal background it points on both sides, but I mean I think okay add that to the terms like I really do think as a Yeah, I'm an aggressive and somewhat amoral leader in practical life.

01:26:39.000 If it comes to, like, what's KSU's recruitment plan going to be for this year or not, that would be my decision.

01:26:43.000 Or, like, how am I going to run my business, which I do do pretty successfully.

01:26:46.000 I mean, I think a lot of this stuff can be settled.

01:26:48.000 Like, you get the tech guys and you get four or five congressmen in the north talking about it in the back room and you say, okay, these six things, you can ban at will and we'll allow you spam.

01:26:54.000 What about porn?

01:26:56.000 That actually... I would personally allow legal porn, but I think that, to some extent, it wouldn't be very difficult to do this.

01:27:06.000 Like, I understand what you're asking.

01:27:08.000 Like, there's some technical on-the-fence questions.

01:27:11.000 But, I mean, what you would simply say is, one, no adhesion contracts where people can be banned for no reason.

01:27:18.000 This is your major point.

01:27:19.000 Right now there's an adhesion contract where people can be banned for no reason.

01:27:22.000 And then you would say, Social media providers are... I don't know if they're gonna adopt these rules, but social media providers are allowed to ban all content that is civilly or criminally against the law.

01:27:36.000 Oh, and here's how porn would work.

01:27:38.000 Or that is civilly or criminally... that it is civilly or criminally legal to restrict for an audience of people under 18 or under 21 since those individuals use social media sites.

01:27:49.000 What about violence?

01:27:50.000 Violence is fine. 0.84

01:27:51.000 It doesn't fall in any of those categories.

01:27:52.000 But it's like R-rated, so it's 7, 18 and older.

01:27:55.000 Then you can say the same thing.

01:27:57.000 Parents' responsibility.

01:27:58.000 Can they ban someone for putting a video up of a bully fight?

01:28:01.000 Do they let 13-year-olds wander by themselves downtown in the city?

01:28:05.000 This isn't about that.

01:28:06.000 This is about internet video I'm talking about.

01:28:08.000 And who dictates what they can and can't put on there?

01:28:10.000 Yes, my point is we wouldn't let 13-year-olds walk into an adult video store.

01:28:16.000 They're not allowed.

01:28:17.000 Yeah, I think that there are also a couple of different questions here.

01:28:20.000 One of the deepest ones, since we're all getting to that dad range, is like, should 13-year-olds be on Twitter?

01:28:25.000 I mean, there's some very practical things that you could do to take away... I mean, most young men, including me, I read recently, start consuming porn in the USA at like 11 or 12.

01:28:37.000 And it actually does... No, but it has a really...

01:28:40.000 I mean, I had a normal high school sex life.

01:28:43.000 Like you, you definitely hook up with real people in life, but the exposure to like extreme edgy spit in my mouth content if you're worse than 12 and your girlfriend's 13 is not going to give you a lot of tips about how to act in real life.

01:28:59.000 So kids to some extent need to be moved away from a lot of that.

01:29:03.000 Um, but the practical question, I think this is something that would be negotiated among intelligent people, presumably intelligent people.

01:29:10.000 If this were ever to happen, but I think what you could say is absolutely no adhesion contracts as a baseline, and I may be technically off on that legal term, but no unfair contracts of this kind, then we expect social media to ban content that is against the law as a violation of free speech.

01:29:24.000 But then you got to decide what state law are you working out of?

01:29:27.000 Depends on where the corporation was founded.

01:29:28.000 A lot of this is federal criminal law, though.

01:29:30.000 I mean, like a ban on, you know, underage or non-human pornography would be fairly easy to enforce in the USA.

01:29:38.000 And this is what you want to be at, right?

01:29:40.000 You want a few things explicitly banned, like terror content.

01:29:43.000 I don't like the federal government doing it because if you want to do a video on how to grow weed, it's legal in California, but not legal federally.

01:29:52.000 So you could bust up a corporation for that.

01:29:54.000 And the feds can come into California and arrest you.

01:29:58.000 I co-founded Mines.

01:29:59.000 Are you familiar with Mines.com?

01:30:00.000 I've definitely heard that now.

01:30:01.000 Honestly, I don't spit a lot.

01:30:02.000 We built it from the ground up, basically.

01:30:03.000 And this is my life for the last decade, is figuring out how to equitably create terms.

01:30:09.000 And I can't figure it out.

01:30:10.000 I don't think the government should do it for us.

01:30:12.000 And I don't think people should be forced into a mold.

01:30:15.000 This is why I go with the free software, free the code.

01:30:18.000 That doesn't do anything, though.

01:30:19.000 You say that all the time, but you never explain.

01:30:21.000 No, it doesn't.

01:30:21.000 What do you mean?

01:30:22.000 If you give me the plans to build a house, I can't build a house, bro.

01:30:24.000 I don't know how to... Well, if you get the people together that can help you build it, How do I do that?

01:30:28.000 How do I pay them?

01:30:28.000 I gave you the... I don't care about that.

01:30:30.000 I gave you the blueprint.

01:30:32.000 I actually... I'm very intelligent, but I'm kind of with Tim on this one.

01:30:35.000 I mean like when you say like the parlor thing, we can argue about whether the setup code, the basic structure of the website, someone was worse or better than Twitter.

01:30:43.000 The fact is it wasn't allowed to exist.

01:30:45.000 And I think that this will happen to this.

01:30:48.000 See, this is the thing when we take these morally, I suppose, the extent I think about moral questions.

01:30:53.000 I agree with you.

01:30:54.000 But the question is, if you say corporations are allowed to handle their own business and do whatever they want, produce whatever content they want, as long as it's legal, they could knock you off for any reason or no reason at all.

01:31:04.000 The issue arises when they knock off the sitting president of the United States, or when a competitor arises that probably would have been good enough for Trump and those guys to jump back on immediately removed.

01:31:14.000 Or when Laura Loomer runs for office and they give her rival an account, which is free access to advertising and promotion, and deny her one as a candidate.

01:31:22.000 I think I agree about Amazon.

01:31:24.000 They have a monopoly that's very dangerous on servers right now.

01:31:27.000 But when you look at what, about the parlor, Twitter, like what's better tech.

01:31:32.000 That's a decent argument, but nothing compares to YouTube and Facebook.

01:31:32.000 Okay.

01:31:36.000 They are completely out of the ballpark.

01:31:38.000 Phenomenal technology packages.

01:31:40.000 Dude, nothing is better than YouTube.

01:31:43.000 So you're actually making a monopoly argument though.

01:31:46.000 You're saying that between tech and control.

01:31:48.000 So a lot of these things have to have definitions.

01:31:50.000 Like, do you agree the government should break up extreme monopolies?

01:31:53.000 Well, you look at what happened to Standard Oil, Rockefeller's company, and what they did was break it into six oil companies.

01:31:58.000 Correct.

01:31:59.000 Rockefeller took stock in all six and became more wealthy and powerful after the breakup.

01:32:02.000 But we now prohibit that from the departing senior executive or the previous senior executive.

01:32:06.000 Like, there was a response to that.

01:32:08.000 But like, so for example, one thing you could do is take Facebook and break... Facebook is itself an agglomeration of different companies.

01:32:14.000 But if you broke off Facebook Messenger into a new company, they still know how to build it because they still have the code so they can rebuild it.

01:32:22.000 No, but that's what I'm saying.

01:32:23.000 Like at the most basic level, I actually want something more intense than this that would involve some element of government regulation.

01:32:29.000 We can debate that because we're free citizens.

01:32:31.000 But at the most basic level, Facebook is about five or six companies.

01:32:35.000 I mean, like, whatever their ads platform is called, Instagram, Messenger... Facebook's ad system?

01:32:41.000 So what all of these companies do, Facebook and Google specifically, is that Google, obviously, is a handful of companies.

01:32:48.000 YouTube is not only a video hosting platform, It is a video distribution platform, it is a marketing platform, and it is an ad sales platform.

01:32:56.000 All of these things, or I should say they integrate the ad sales into, you know, all of these things operate this way.

01:33:01.000 Google, I should say YouTube specifically is an ad sales.

01:33:04.000 It's ad delivery, content delivery, content storage, all of these things in one.

01:33:09.000 If you broke that up, YouTube wouldn't exist.

01:33:11.000 It needs those components to work together.

01:33:13.000 YouTube, however, is not the best.

01:33:14.000 That's an absurd statement.

01:33:15.000 There are many other sites that have come forward with newer technology that's better, and there's a really interesting phenomenon that happens in technology.

01:33:22.000 Why is it that the United States has really crappy cell networks?

01:33:24.000 Because we invented it first.

01:33:26.000 So for, I think, what was the first network?

01:33:28.000 IDEN?

01:33:29.000 IDEN network?

01:33:31.000 So we created this really crappy cell network, but at the time it was revolutionary!

01:33:35.000 Well, Korea didn't do cell networks.

01:33:37.000 Not even then, not even for 10 years.

01:33:39.000 Then we invented a few different things.

01:33:41.000 We ultimately end up with the CDMA standard and the GSM standard.

01:33:45.000 CDMA was kind of bad, but it was really good compared to where we were before.

01:33:49.000 GSM comes out, it's a global, you know, it became like a global standard.

01:33:54.000 And then Korea decides we're going to build a cell network.

01:33:57.000 Because they were building it for the first time, they built a really good one.

01:34:01.000 Because the United States was just improving the existing one, it was always lagging behind.

01:34:04.000 It's happening in Africa. 0.61

01:34:05.000 They're putting solar panels on houses and bypassing central electric grids.

01:34:08.000 There's a lot of developing tech in the stable African states that I think a lot of people are sleeping on, especially given Chinese colonization.

01:34:15.000 That Chinese-Nigerian complex in West Africa is going to be a rival to the West in 30 years. 1.00

01:34:19.000 And so I'll stress this right now, Rumble is better than YouTube.

01:34:24.000 I only started recently publishing to Rumble.

01:34:27.000 YouTube has the audience.

01:34:28.000 You've also got the algorithms.

01:34:30.000 Search algorithms are incredible.

01:34:34.000 Relevant that's the marketing issue of it.

01:34:36.000 That's so the issue here is we're talking about technology and freeing the code. 0.57

01:34:39.000 It's pointless We use YouTube because it is a massive McCormick Center conference room that I know there's a billion people hanging out in location location location We use rumble for a variety of other things because it's a better service better technology better bandwidth Customization it's better across the board even Vimeo is better and YouTube is good because there's a massive room in this broken down, ridiculous building, and the security guards are dicks, and it's like, yeah, but they'll put up a sign with an arrow pointing to my building and there's a billion people here.

01:35:09.000 Well, they've got the partner program, they've got... Rumble does all that too.

01:35:13.000 YouTube Studios, incredible, dude.

01:35:17.000 It's pretty good.

01:35:18.000 It's amazing.

01:35:19.000 I've never seen anything remotely even close to YouTube Studio.

01:35:24.000 The ability for a user to go in and have their analytics and their database... What are you talking about?

01:35:28.000 There's tons of sites that have all that stuff.

01:35:30.000 You can show me that Rumble is actually better than that or even holds a candle.

01:35:34.000 I mean, that company's been pouring billions into that for years, for like a decade, and they've got like 50,000 people working on it.

01:35:41.000 I will concede YouTube has pretty good analytics.

01:35:44.000 But everything has an analytics system.

01:35:46.000 It's a big, big, big production to create stuff like that.

01:35:49.000 So then we're getting more than into the marketing space of things.

01:35:53.000 If we're talking about just video hosting, I... No, it's the whole package.

01:35:57.000 You can't compete with YouTube, a user that wants to create a job on the internet with their videos.

01:36:01.000 But it's nothing to do with that, dude.

01:36:02.000 It has to do with the fact that YouTube controls the audience.

01:36:05.000 It's the monopoly on the content.

01:36:07.000 It's the monopoly on the code, is what I'm saying.

01:36:09.000 This seems to be like Twitter versus Parler again.

01:36:11.000 It's the monopoly on the network.

01:36:11.000 No, it isn't.

01:36:14.000 People don't use Twitter because Twitter is good.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, that Twitter is good.

01:36:18.000 Mine is way better than Twitter.

01:36:20.000 And there's a reason why less people use it than Twitter.

01:36:23.000 It's because everyone's on Twitter.

01:36:24.000 That's a difficult thing to overcome.

01:36:26.000 It's not the only reason.

01:36:27.000 Twitter's awesome.

01:36:27.000 Twitter's fantastic.

01:36:28.000 I've never had a bug on Twitter.

01:36:29.000 Have you?

01:36:30.000 Yes.

01:36:30.000 I've had frequent bugs on Twitter.

01:36:32.000 Also, you can't edit tweets.

01:36:35.000 I mean, in terms of some of the most basic elements of that interface, like, I'm not mocking Twitter.

01:36:39.000 Twitter's okay.

01:36:40.000 But I don't think that the reason that Twitter is so utterly dominant in that space is the brilliant quality of its tech.

01:36:46.000 I don't think if you took 15 guys from MIT, they'd have much trouble designing something roughly equivalent or better.

01:36:52.000 They're different elements. 0.89

01:36:53.000 Like, if your site completely sucks, if your code sucks, if your engineering guys suck, obviously people aren't going to use that product. 0.95

01:36:58.000 But also, like, the Rumble YouTube debate... 0.99

01:37:01.000 You could go either way.

01:37:02.000 The reality is that they're what?

01:37:03.000 How many millions of people are there on YouTube right now posting video content, using it?

01:37:07.000 I don't know.

01:37:07.000 Billions of hours a day or something.

01:37:09.000 I don't know what it is.

01:37:10.000 It's like a billion one.

01:37:11.000 I don't know if that's users or videos.

01:37:13.000 Per month, a billion users per month.

01:37:15.000 Yeah, a billion one per month.

01:37:17.000 That's why YouTube has that.

01:37:18.000 It's got to be more than a billion because if CNN is getting 100 and Fox is getting 200 and then you've got big YouTubers, it's got to be in the tens of billions per month.

01:37:27.000 Maybe.

01:37:28.000 You know, there's probably unique users.

01:37:29.000 Uploads.

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:30.000 There's so many unique users versus views or something.

01:37:33.000 But a lot of this is, we're discussing a lot of technical detail intelligently, but at some level, like, I mean, the point that YouTube is viewed as better than Rumble because there are a billion people using it, you know, quantity has a quality all its own.

01:37:45.000 I don't think anyone would dispute that.

01:37:47.000 The real one root question here that we're chopping around is, should a company that has a billion users that has allowed you, quote unquote, to get to four million

01:37:56.000 users, be able to terminate your account at will? I think no, but I also think that's

01:38:01.000 probably going to require some new legislation.

01:38:03.000 That actually, by the way, for the center right or the tech sector or whatever you want to call it,

01:38:09.000 that is a legitimate goal. Not congressmen sitting around mumbling in their ancient way,

01:38:14.000 trying to describe the internet, but will you add some basic clause to the law strengthening the

01:38:20.000 rules against adhesion contracts or going back perhaps to more traditional monopoly law?

01:38:25.000 And again, we're kind of fantasizing here, but I don't see any reason that wouldn't happen.

01:38:29.000 You know, there's obviously a reason.

01:38:34.000 I'm also concerned about the market itself.

01:38:36.000 Like you said, they have a billion users or something.

01:38:39.000 Like, how do you break that up?

01:38:42.000 That's exactly- You can't.

01:38:43.000 You gotta give the code away.

01:38:44.000 It's the only way.

01:38:45.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:38:46.000 Well, then I can build a YouTube that interoperates so those billion can see my content.

01:38:49.000 Then why don't you use Rumble?

01:38:51.000 I don't know.

01:38:52.000 I don't need it.

01:38:53.000 Why not?

01:38:54.000 Because I have YouTube.

01:38:56.000 Because YouTube gets you more views.

01:38:58.000 This is kind of the Ouroboros here.

01:39:01.000 The tech is great, but there's a reason people use Twitter instead of Parler.

01:39:05.000 That's probably the weakest of the examples.

01:39:07.000 There's a reason people use YouTube instead of Rumble.

01:39:09.000 And when people started using Parler, they shut Parler down.

01:39:12.000 Parler was facing critical mass.

01:39:13.000 It was exploding in users.

01:39:15.000 Parler is the number six app across both app stores.

01:39:18.000 Parler was actually outperforming either Twitter or Facebook, I forget which, immediately.

01:39:23.000 Like the day before it was shut down.

01:39:25.000 And we've seen this, by the way, this is an important point I do want to make here.

01:39:29.000 We've seen the steel fist come out of the velvet glove a few times recently.

01:39:33.000 Like large competitive countries do have a ruling class that knows it's a ruling class. 0.75

01:39:37.000 However many conspiracies are real and all this sort of thing.

01:39:40.000 So I mean, like, for example, with the Robin Hood stuff, where people started playing the short sellers in the stock market, which I was a part of, I think many people were.

01:39:51.000 They shut it down.

01:39:54.000 Yeah, they immediately shut it down.

01:39:55.000 They came up with some BS reason like, we're running out of money here, boys, and immediately halted trading on the stocks that were being affected in a way that was hurting powerful rich people.

01:40:04.000 You can call that a coincidence, but you have to combine that with the same coincidence where a parlor Beats FB one day and the next day it's like, well, that's how the Capitol riot was coordinated.

01:40:15.000 It wasn't Facebook, which is used by far more older demographic individuals.

01:40:19.000 We need to get these boys out of here.

01:40:21.000 And so Parler shuts down.

01:40:22.000 I think Parler's back now, but their moment was broken.

01:40:26.000 Well, let's take Super Chats and see what the Super Chats have to say.

01:40:29.000 If you haven't already, give that like button a little tap.

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01:40:32.000 We don't do bonus segments on Fridays, but we do have a vlog coming up tomorrow, and we made Lutherburgers.

01:40:39.000 And, uh, I... You know the Lutherburger?

01:40:42.000 No.

01:40:42.000 You weren't here for... Oh, it's right.

01:40:43.000 What is it?

01:40:44.000 Andreas, it's a double bacon cheeseburger with two glazed donuts instead of buns.

01:40:48.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:40:50.000 Mustard on it, and we were like... That's the thing that took it over the line.

01:40:55.000 The mustard.

01:40:57.000 Yeah, but I had a small one with no sauce.

01:41:00.000 It was just the cheeseburger, no bacon, and just the donut.

01:41:03.000 We did one donut.

01:41:04.000 It's good.

01:41:04.000 Yeah, I imagine they are good.

01:41:06.000 So that's the vlog tomorrow.

01:41:08.000 It'll be up at like 9 a.m.

01:41:08.000 or whatever.

01:41:09.000 YouTube.com slash castcastle.

01:41:10.000 Let's take these super chats.

01:41:12.000 Anime Audio Commentary says, did you guys hear about what Chris Chan did?

01:41:15.000 I heard the leaked audio and it left me speechless.

01:41:18.000 No.

01:41:19.000 I have no idea what this meme is supposed to be, but isn't Chris Chan that skateboarder who's really good?

01:41:22.000 I don't know.

01:41:23.000 He's got a YouTube video?

01:41:24.000 What are they talking about?

01:41:26.000 Never heard of the guy.

01:41:27.000 Alright, but there's like a meme or something about what he do and everyone's like, oh I'm so shocked, but there's like nothing really happening.

01:41:27.000 Sorry.

01:41:34.000 Questionable content says, Ian, chiropractors are a scam.

01:41:37.000 It is illegal to call yourself a doctor in Europe if you are just a chiropractor without any additional medical degree.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, when you get your back cracked, it's up to you to continue to hold your new posture.

01:41:48.000 They're not going to fix you and then you go home and go back to your old lazy posture.

01:41:52.000 You need to change your own posture, so you end up doing 99% of the work.

01:41:56.000 The other thing with chiropractic, I mean like I've gone to a chiropractor, they are great with the human back.

01:42:02.000 I mean it's a very advanced level of sort of muscular, I don't know, it felt like a very intense massage is a good way to remove some of that technical jargon.

01:42:11.000 But they definitely, they know their way around the spine.

01:42:14.000 My understanding is the problem with chiropractic is that they claim that working on the spine can cure almost everything.

01:42:19.000 If you read the original manuals for the field, it's sort of like, this is how to relax depression via spine pressure.

01:42:26.000 So you get into that same weird, maybe medical zone that you do with acupuncture, I think.

01:42:30.000 Yes.

01:42:31.000 Skeleton King 322 says, and this is interesting.

01:42:33.000 That fit right in there.

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 I can't share this podcast on Facebook at all.

01:42:38.000 Excuse me.

01:42:39.000 Our work here is done.

01:42:39.000 Maybe the title?

01:42:41.000 I don't know.

01:42:42.000 Maybe, maybe... Put it on Parler.

01:42:45.000 Well, no.

01:42:45.000 Maybe it's just you, Skeleton King.

01:42:47.000 Maybe everybody should try sharing this podcast on Facebook right now to see if Skeleton King is incorrect.

01:42:53.000 So, who knows?

01:42:54.000 I mean, you'll have to take the URL and then paste it onto Facebook and press enter.

01:42:57.000 That's right.

01:42:59.000 Who knows?

01:42:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:00.000 Strongly encourage people to share this as widely as possible.

01:43:02.000 If you want to tag me on it, On Twitter, I'm at Will underscore duh underscore B-E-A-S-T 6-3-0.

01:43:10.000 So let's see if it works.

01:43:11.000 Pierce Worsig says, Hey Tim, update from my grocery store.

01:43:11.000 Right on.

01:43:15.000 All employees are required to wear masks starting Monday.

01:43:18.000 School just mandated student wear masks even after requiring vaccination.

01:43:22.000 The New York Times had an article saying that I think it's, um, what was it?

01:43:22.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 Broadway is going to require vaccines and masks. 0.84

01:43:30.000 Did you say at the beginning of the show that these articles are saying that people with the vaccine are not less contagious?

01:43:36.000 The New York Times said vaccinated people have the same likeliness to spread COVID as people who are unvaccinated.

01:43:46.000 However, however...

01:43:48.000 The context they left out that's making everyone angry is that they're less likely to catch COVID.

01:43:52.000 Meaning they're less likely to show symptoms?

01:43:54.000 They're 94% less likely to get COVID.

01:43:57.000 I mean, that's a good summary, but that's the issue.

01:43:59.000 Like, 89 to 94.

01:44:01.000 Except the problem with that data is in Massachusetts, there was an outbreak where 75% of those who got sick were vaccinated.

01:44:07.000 And the vaccination rate in Massachusetts is 63.9, meaning it was disproportionately those who were vaccinated who got sick.

01:44:13.000 I don't have explanations for this, nor am I asserting anything other than we need to figure out why that happened.

01:44:18.000 So, look.

01:44:20.000 The New York Times said you are less likely to get it, but if you do, you are equally likely to spread it.

01:44:27.000 The one thing I would say here is, and I am also not asserting or making any medical claims, But the one thing that I would say here is, like, most of the research on the vaccine, that's a fascinating story.

01:44:36.000 I don't know if that's an outlier situation.

01:44:38.000 Like, you would find outliers in any pool of, you know, 200 million.

01:44:41.000 I do think that's important to note.

01:44:43.000 But all of the stuff, the CDC, Israeli, et cetera, research on the vaccine kind of puts the efficacy at between 89 and 94 percent that I have personally read.

01:44:51.000 It may be a little less for Delta, say, you know, one in 10, but to have a breakthrough

01:44:56.000 infection that's transmissible, you do need to have a breakthrough infection.

01:45:00.000 So a lot of this just seems like panicking once again, like we've got seniors reasonably

01:45:05.000 well protected.

01:45:06.000 The average COVID victim in the USA was 81, as I recall.

01:45:09.000 They want lockdowns.

01:45:11.000 That's correct.

01:45:12.000 There's, or I don't know if there's a unified they there, but it's easy just if you're in

01:45:16.000 a position of political leadership and you're a bit weak minded, it's easy to just say not

01:45:21.000 one life.

01:45:22.000 We're going with the most extreme thing we tried before.

01:45:25.000 Here it goes again, in my opinion.

01:45:27.000 So the question, last one sentence question here, but the question is, okay, you've been vaccinated, say you're 85% less likely to get COVID, which puts your risk of getting and transmitting fatal COVID about on par with the flu.

01:45:39.000 The only people you could give this to at the normal preexisting risk would be unvaccinated people, mostly younger, who've chosen not to get the shot for personal health reasons.

01:45:48.000 So I don't see any moral liability here.

01:45:50.000 I don't think it's the vaccinated that are filling up the hospitals to the extent anyone is.

01:45:54.000 I haven't seen any data showing that hospitals are overloaded for quite a while on this.

01:45:59.000 So it seems like the same arguments keep coming up, like just, you know, 15 months to flatten the curve kind of stuff.

01:46:06.000 All right.

01:46:06.000 Zenobia says, Tim, even though civvies can't be charged using the UCMJ, they're already calling the others extremists.

01:46:13.000 Once done.

01:46:14.000 Well, I will never forget when Obama had a U.S.

01:46:16.000 citizen executed by drone.

01:46:18.000 Zenobia, what do you mean a U.S.

01:46:20.000 citizen?

01:46:21.000 Wasn't it four?

01:46:22.000 I can at least cite Anwar al-Awlaki and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, and I'm pretty sure there were a couple others, but I could be wrong.

01:46:29.000 All right.

01:46:30.000 Jared the Lifeguard says, listen to the podcast while digging up my potato plants by hand, barefoot in the garden.

01:46:35.000 It feels great to get filthy and intimate with mother nature.

01:46:38.000 So we had, uh, so our garden is basically, we're done with it.

01:46:42.000 We're, we're just waiting now on the sunflower seeds, but everything else basically has been harvested and we're over it.

01:46:47.000 But, uh, the chickens went in, because we have a, um, we have one long, I guess we call it, like, planter, I guess you'd call it.

01:46:52.000 And we had the jalapenos have been picked, the plants are all done, the chilies are gone.

01:46:57.000 We, uh, we had basil, basil bushes, though, which are amazing.

01:47:00.000 Like, each and every one of those leaves is, mm, basil, amazing.

01:47:03.000 The chickens, they found it.

01:47:05.000 And they started uprooting the plants and like, you know, doing the dirt baths.

01:47:08.000 So we had to, we took the basil out.

01:47:11.000 We, we, we potted it and moved it and then we planted some more tomatoes.

01:47:13.000 And now we're going to do like a separate, smaller, individual potted garden.

01:47:17.000 And then we're going to, we're actually cementing over and we're

01:47:19.000 going to move the garden over.

01:47:20.000 But yeah, it's good fun.

01:47:21.000 The chickens have decided they're going to destroy everything.

01:47:24.000 As they do.

01:47:25.000 And they yell while they're doing it.

01:47:27.000 All right.

01:47:28.000 Arch, Arch Smith says, Republics function as the battle between oligarchs.

01:47:33.000 Less the Roman Republic, more the Renaissance Republics of Italy.

01:47:36.000 Shoutout to Ian, read up on the Medici and others like him.

01:47:40.000 There you go.

01:47:42.000 Maris McMullen says, I'm a woodturner and make cremation urns.

01:47:47.000 I've found less than five companies that do the same in the U.S.

01:47:50.000 It hurts me that so many are willing to buy such a sentimental item made with slave labor instead of American hands. 0.96

01:47:56.000 Yeah.

01:47:56.000 What does America even make anymore?

01:47:58.000 We've offshored everything, you know, even our cremation urns.

01:48:02.000 We still make weapons, Hoss.

01:48:04.000 That's true.

01:48:05.000 Matthew Houck says Australia lost a war with birds.

01:48:10.000 Expectation they could even remotely fight their nearly disarmed masses is laughable.

01:48:15.000 When are you going to have Thomas Sowell on?

01:48:16.000 I would love to.

01:48:18.000 Yeah, whenever he wants.

01:48:19.000 Love to.

01:48:20.000 Yeah, Larry Elder too, that'd be fantastic.

01:48:21.000 Yeah.

01:48:23.000 All right, let's see.

01:48:23.000 2020 Madness says, I'm currently moving to West Virginia.

01:48:25.000 I just decided to get in my car and head that way.

01:48:28.000 No real plan.

01:48:29.000 If y'all know anybody looking for a welder, please shout them out.

01:48:32.000 I own my own machine.

01:48:33.000 Very cool.

01:48:33.000 Cool.

01:48:34.000 West Virginia is fantastic.

01:48:35.000 I love the wineberries, man.

01:48:37.000 We had wineberry season.

01:48:38.000 They're gone now.

01:48:39.000 They're all withered.

01:48:39.000 But man, for that month or two, where there was just red berries everywhere, and we just took them all, and it was great.

01:48:46.000 We made ice cream and cake with it.

01:48:48.000 That's awesome.

01:48:49.000 You walk in the backyard and there's just hundreds.

01:48:51.000 Pawpaw is coming up though.

01:48:52.000 We're gonna make some pawpaw cake.

01:48:53.000 That's how I'm excited for that.

01:48:54.000 Hillbilly banana.

01:48:56.000 West Virginia, man.

01:48:56.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:48:59.000 All right, let's see.

01:49:01.000 Jonathan Duger says, of the 98 million monthly views that CNN got, how many of them are people dumping all over them?

01:49:07.000 80%.

01:49:07.000 It's like 80%.

01:49:09.000 Do they measure it where at 7 o'clock they measure 700,000 views and at 8 o'clock they measure 800,000 views, but it's the 700 of the same people?

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:18.000 And then they'll be like, there was 15,000 views!

01:49:20.000 But it was like, dude, just because you divided the show into two one-hour segments doesn't mean that those 800,000 people watched it twice.

01:49:28.000 Well, it depends on for the, uh, the advertisers.

01:49:31.000 So it would count as two.

01:49:32.000 That's a weird way to count metrics.

01:49:34.000 This is the same thing with tech brands using page views, right?

01:49:37.000 Which is why you scroll through these 15 and 20 page lists of celebrities.

01:49:41.000 Like if you're even mildly unscrupulous with views, like every one of those is a person clicking on a unique page of your site.

01:49:48.000 I mean, so that's, does that mean you have 15 unique observers of that poll?

01:49:53.000 No.

01:49:54.000 Yeah, so I can mention that live viewership on this show is not displayed on YouTube.

01:50:00.000 They only display what's called VOD viewership.

01:50:03.000 And so our live viewership tends to be a couple hundred thousand views every night.

01:50:07.000 It was a lot higher during election season.

01:50:08.000 Views are way down for everybody, not just CNN.

01:50:10.000 I mean, it's down for us too, but we're doing all right.

01:50:13.000 And that's not displayed.

01:50:14.000 If I wanted to play, you know, number games, my show, both my shows across the board, it's easily like two million views per day.

01:50:23.000 You know, and then I can look at CNN and be like, what is Don Lemon getting, 170?

01:50:26.000 I mean, in reality, he's really getting that low.

01:50:30.000 Now, it's hard to actually do a cross between like, okay, so I put up how many videos per day?

01:50:35.000 It's kind of a lot.

01:50:35.000 You know, we have like five, four segments on Timcast IRL from the previous show, plus the show.

01:50:40.000 Then we've got three from Timcast, plus we've got the Timcast.com stuff.

01:50:44.000 They're different people, but not all people watch every single part of it.

01:50:48.000 But I will say, yeah, we are crushing CNN in terms of that kind of viewership.

01:50:51.000 And another thing about CNN is, when you look at their videos on YouTube, it's all thumbs down.

01:50:55.000 People are forced to watch it, and they hate it.

01:50:58.000 All right, let's see.

01:50:59.000 AskDummy says, one last try.

01:51:02.000 Internet attention addiction, for all it's good, now main threat.

01:51:06.000 COVID lockdowns, riots cancel culture.

01:51:08.000 Sedentary life are consequences of this consciousness redefining drug web.

01:51:12.000 Please have Nicholas Carr to talk neuroscience of internet addiction.

01:51:16.000 That would be interesting, yes?

01:51:19.000 Thomas Williams says, I'm a rural American 50-50 city now.

01:51:22.000 Bet 50 bucks you don't care about what us norms think.

01:51:27.000 I'll come on your show.

01:51:28.000 I'm no one.

01:51:29.000 I'm just some guy who is pissed off that I care about politics now.

01:51:32.000 We're trying to figure out how to do a show like that.

01:51:34.000 The challenge is legal liability for bringing out lots of people to a non-public space.

01:51:39.000 This is what we run into.

01:51:40.000 We're trying to do events.

01:51:41.000 We're trying to do public events.

01:51:42.000 But there's questions about inviting large groups of people on ticket sales to a private residence.

01:51:48.000 We gotta figure it out.

01:51:49.000 I think we're gonna figure it out, and I think we're getting really close to actually having the events, and I apologize to everybody who's been waiting, but it's like, we're just, we hit roadblocks.

01:51:58.000 You can't just do things.

01:51:59.000 The government regulates, you know what I mean?

01:52:02.000 All right, Steven Marina Degrosa says, New Yorker stuck here in communist Australia.

01:52:07.000 The problem is less the government and more the sad Aussie citizens calling the police on their neighbors. 0.75

01:52:11.000 I can't wait to come home and move to Houston, Texas.

01:52:14.000 It's a good place, man.

01:52:15.000 It's a good place.

01:52:17.000 All right.

01:52:19.000 Let's see what we got.

01:52:21.000 MRM says, Tim, heard from family friends that my Catholic church diocese is requiring priests to get the jab.

01:52:27.000 And if they don't comply, they are to retire.

01:52:29.000 Wow.

01:52:31.000 Leave it to, uh, leave it to then?

01:52:34.000 Oh, leave it to Ethan.

01:52:35.000 Haha. 0.99

01:52:35.000 Anyone else get called an idiot by multiple doctors and nurses for wearing a mask in January, March, just to watch them all change and mask up? 0.99

01:52:42.000 Hashtag trust. 0.99

01:52:43.000 That is a very difficult situation, man.

01:52:47.000 All right, let's see.

01:52:47.000 What do we got here?

01:52:55.000 Gotta be careful.

01:52:57.000 There's a lot of super chats where people are getting kind of angry.

01:52:59.000 So I'm going to be careful.

01:53:00.000 So I'm going to keep reading.

01:53:04.000 Oh, I definitely have to read this.

01:53:06.000 The Laughing Man says, I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf mutes. 1.00

01:53:11.000 Anybody get that reference?

01:53:13.000 You don't know The Laughing Man?

01:53:13.000 No.

01:53:17.000 And you teach cybersecurity?

01:53:17.000 No.

01:53:19.000 I mean... You gotta watch Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex.

01:53:22.000 I'll check it out.

01:53:23.000 It's great.

01:53:24.000 The Laughing Man was a hacker who, in Ghost in the Shell, people have cyberized brains, like nanites, and he actually could hack people's eyes, their brains, in real time, so they only saw this, like, icon of, like, this, like, very rudimentary baseball hat, and there were words from Catcher in the Rye.

01:53:41.000 I thought what I'd do, I would pretend I was one of those death mutes rotating around it.

01:53:46.000 Yeah, super cool.

01:53:47.000 We're more focused on the reality, but the movie sounds cool.

01:53:50.000 It's a TV show.

01:53:50.000 I'll check it out.

01:53:52.000 There's a movie, and then they made an anime series, but it's really cool.

01:53:57.000 All right, let's see.

01:53:58.000 TrekGod says, regarding 230, how about this?

01:54:00.000 If a private company gets special public protections rights, then said company should be held to public, not private standards.

01:54:06.000 Government cannot curtail free speech as a public standard.

01:54:09.000 I mean, that's interesting.

01:54:10.000 They're getting special legal protections from the government, then they should also have in turn special legal guarantees to the public.

01:54:19.000 It's a fine line of when the government takes over and starts to control that business.

01:54:22.000 That's very dangerous too.

01:54:24.000 I agree with that, but I will say there's actually a very specific point here that I'm sure both of you guys have seen in online debates, which is the publisher platform debate, which is becoming more sophisticated.

01:54:33.000 So, I mean, generally the idea is you can't regulate a platform.

01:54:36.000 You can't punish the phone company because people discuss drugs on T-Mobile's lines or something like that.

01:54:44.000 But if you're a publisher, if you remove or edit more than X percent of the content posted to your site, you can be regulated pretty intensely.

01:54:51.000 And, I mean, any of those provisions focusing on adhesion and so on would become more potent.

01:54:55.000 So, I mean, I think at the most basic one-sentence level, it's pretty obvious to say Facebook is a publisher.

01:55:00.000 Yeah, when they do like site wide notifications or when they say this is fake news content, when they put like qualifications on content, that's Facebook editorializing.

01:55:08.000 And even a good point.

01:55:09.000 And even be even before the CDC thing, which is wild.

01:55:12.000 I mean, one of the one of the entities that was flagged as being very unreliable on covid was the official Science Academy of Sweden, because Sweden never shut down and did better than many, if not most other major countries.

01:55:26.000 They they did.

01:55:28.000 How dare they?

01:55:29.000 But I mean, I think that they did the things that you would really want to focus on.

01:55:32.000 I mean, attempting to protect seniors, avoiding large events.

01:55:35.000 I mean, they're very specific.

01:55:37.000 It's like open now.

01:55:38.000 There's like videos coming out.

01:55:39.000 People are just walking around.

01:55:40.000 It's fine.

01:55:42.000 And they never, I mean, they had a lower death per capita rate than we did.

01:55:45.000 It was just always the elephant in the room that was just universally ignored.

01:55:50.000 But part of that was Facebook not letting their scientific agencies communicate information on the platform.

01:55:55.000 All right, Xander Klein says, the fact you used a pizza restaurant instead of a sandwich shop for Dave Rubin, for shame!

01:56:02.000 More puns.

01:56:03.000 That's a really good idea.

01:56:04.000 Dave, let's open a restaurant called Rubin's Rubins.

01:56:06.000 Yes.

01:56:07.000 I love Rubin's.

01:56:07.000 I do too.

01:56:08.000 Yeah, they're good.

01:56:09.000 Good Rubin.

01:56:11.000 Rubin's Rubins.

01:56:12.000 Dave, what are you doing?

01:56:14.000 All right, all right.

01:56:15.000 Enough jokes.

01:56:16.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:56:18.000 Phobos says, Competition and decentralization is the answer to big tech censorship.

01:56:23.000 Increased state involvement will not turn out the way people think it will.

01:56:27.000 But the problem I see with a lot of libertarians is they don't understand negative rights versus positive rights.

01:56:32.000 We're not saying the government has to go in and enforce that a company does something.

01:56:36.000 We're saying a company can't do a thing.

01:56:38.000 So maybe that's not a good enough distinction in that, I suppose.

01:56:42.000 Because then you're arguing they do have to allow certain content to exist, which is still them doing something, I guess?

01:56:48.000 No, I don't know.

01:56:49.000 Look, I think you look at what happens with privately owned public spaces.

01:56:53.000 They say it's owned by a private business, but they gain some tax benefit.

01:56:57.000 There's, so there's like instances where they say, if you want to have this building, you have to dedicate X amount of space to the public, so it'll be privately owned, but the public gets to use it.

01:57:04.000 Because they let the public use it, they now have one that they have to guarantee First Amendment.

01:57:09.000 So, I don't see why there's any difference with, with social media.

01:57:13.000 All right, what's this?

01:57:16.000 Cole Will says, Newsvoice got nuked this week.

01:57:18.000 I don't know what that is.

01:57:19.000 There's no news on it, ironically.

01:57:20.000 Whois lookup states the domain status is prohibited from transferring to another registrar.

01:57:24.000 Keep up the good work.

01:57:25.000 I'm not familiar with Newsvoice.

01:57:28.000 Alright, we're gonna get the big jump in Super Chats.

01:57:33.000 Zenobia X's second super chat for the day.

01:57:35.000 Ian, check out the YouTube channel Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur.

01:57:39.000 He goes over stuff like space colonization using current tech and graphene, etc.

01:57:44.000 P.S.

01:57:44.000 I got chickens because of you, Tim.

01:57:45.000 Chickens are amazing.

01:57:45.000 LOL.

01:57:47.000 In the new vlog, it's like we put a camera on the ground and the chickens walk up to investigate it.

01:57:51.000 And it's really fun.

01:57:51.000 Oh, I love them.

01:57:52.000 It's just like making weird noises.

01:57:53.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:57:54.000 Chickens are hilarious.

01:57:55.000 Thanks for sending me that, Science of Futurism.

01:57:58.000 Thank you.

01:58:00.000 All right, let's see.

01:58:01.000 Lord Hypno says, Tim, you mentioned both your brother and Rusty Cage in yesterday's podcast and Monkey Jones tonight.

01:58:07.000 You should just go ahead and shout out the Trash Rats podcast.

01:58:10.000 They do all three together.

01:58:11.000 Shout out to the Trash Rats podcast.

01:58:13.000 I've not actually listened to it, but obviously I know who these gentlemen are, as they are prolific individuals.

01:58:20.000 They're of great production and edginess.

01:58:24.000 All right, let's see.

01:58:25.000 Wait, what is this?

01:58:27.000 This wheel fish says, you can share the link, but it does not go to the top of the news feed.

01:58:32.000 It's more than 20 posts down, but at the top of my profile page.

01:58:36.000 Interesting.

01:58:37.000 Well, we have to have this experiment.

01:58:37.000 Weird.

01:58:39.000 Everybody just share the link to the show to see if what this wheel fish is saying is true.

01:58:44.000 Hmm.

01:58:46.000 That's a good example.

01:58:47.000 Well, then that's a federal offense.

01:58:47.000 I like that.

01:58:48.000 Let's see.

01:58:49.000 Skelly- Skellywagswagger says, Ian doesn't seem to understand how open source code works.

01:58:54.000 Linux, for example, only ever worked because the original source was well documented.

01:58:58.000 Big Tech isn't going to document if forced to go open.

01:59:01.000 Well, then that's a federal offense.

01:59:03.000 You're saying that they were forced to hire people to archive and document?

01:59:08.000 Yeah, if they released code but they obfuscated the release, that would-

01:59:12.000 He's saying that they were documenting Linux.

01:59:15.000 You're saying that Facebook would be forced to hire an archivist to like... Yeah, welcome to the 21st century.

01:59:20.000 We need to understand that code inside and out.

01:59:22.000 You were saying you don't want the government to get involved, and now you're saying you're forcing companies... Well, I want them to break up monopolies.

01:59:25.000 That's what I like to use the government for.

01:59:27.000 That's my biggest... Whoa.

01:59:28.000 Okay.

01:59:29.000 That's actually what we were all kind of arguing about earlier.

01:59:32.000 Yeah, just how to do it is the...

01:59:34.000 Iceman says, have you thought about inviting Aaron Lewis on the show?

01:59:37.000 I mean... Aaron Lewis?

01:59:40.000 Rock star?

01:59:41.000 Celebrity?

01:59:42.000 Of course I'd love to have someone like Aaron Lewis on the show.

01:59:44.000 We've never thought about it, because I don't know.

01:59:45.000 Maybe we should try and reach out to some of these people?

01:59:48.000 There have been some famous musicians that we've been in communication with, but I'd love to have Aaron Lewis on the show.

01:59:52.000 That'd be fantastic.

01:59:53.000 Alright, Lost Cause says, Tim, a local place does a grilled cheeseburger where the top and bottom bun is a grilled cheeseburger.

02:00:00.000 We gotta do that!

02:00:02.000 Dude, we're legit doing that tomorrow.

02:00:03.000 Two grilled cheeses with cheeseburger in the middle?

02:00:07.000 So good, but not healthy, but good.

02:00:09.000 No, no, no.

02:00:10.000 Not only are we gonna do a grilled cheese cheeseburger, but you know what the biggest mistake people make when they make grilled cheese?

02:00:15.000 They take the bread, they put the cheese in the middle, they butter both sides, and they grill on both sides.

02:00:20.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:00:21.000 You butter the bread, grill it, then you take it off and put the cheese on the grilled side, then close it, then butter it, grill both sides of the bread!

02:00:27.000 Oh, hotness.

02:00:29.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

02:00:30.000 Dude, I think we will do that tomorrow.

02:00:33.000 That sounds amazing.

02:00:33.000 We'll have to go to the store and buy some stuff.

02:00:35.000 Have fun with that.

02:00:36.000 That'll be very, very funny.

02:00:36.000 Sounds healthy.

02:00:37.000 Alright, we'll just do a couple more here.

02:00:41.000 XRunner55 says, one of your best guests.

02:00:44.000 This engineer worked with plenty of political scientists in government and not of this caliber.

02:00:48.000 He knows his stuff.

02:00:49.000 Yeah.

02:00:49.000 Thanks guys.

02:00:50.000 This has been really great, actually.

02:00:51.000 I hope you come back.

02:00:52.000 This was really fun.

02:00:53.000 I'm done.

02:00:54.000 You got the knowledge, man.

02:00:55.000 That's true.

02:00:56.000 Yeah.

02:00:56.000 This is sort of my, uh, my short form visit here.

02:00:59.000 Actually, uh, today I'd be, I'd be down to come back.

02:01:01.000 I know how to make a grilled cheese.

02:01:04.000 I'm a pretty cool guy.

02:01:05.000 Yeah.

02:01:07.000 Ryan Schroeder says, I own a Papa John's in East Aurora, Illinois.

02:01:11.000 What a special week to have both Mr. Riley and Mr. Schnatter on the show.

02:01:15.000 Thanks, TimCast crew, for all you do.

02:01:18.000 Next time you are in town, Mr. Riley, pizza on me.

02:01:20.000 Papa John's.

02:01:22.000 E-E-E-A.

02:01:23.000 Next time I'm back, I'll definitely check out some of the local cuisine.

02:01:23.000 That's cool.

02:01:27.000 Papa John's in East Aurora, man.

02:01:28.000 Gotta be an interesting job running a pizza place in East Aurora, unless the place is dramatically gentrified.

02:01:33.000 Yeah.

02:01:34.000 Christopher Noll says, Ian, tech and culture are downstream from environment and perception.

02:01:39.000 Also, Will's unintentional mic wire mustache was the best drinking game.

02:01:43.000 Thanks.

02:01:44.000 Well, because the wire right there, I guess people can see the camera.

02:01:44.000 What?

02:01:47.000 I don't know what that means.

02:01:48.000 Like, when do you drink?

02:01:49.000 Probably when I have a mustache.

02:01:51.000 It's like the ironic hipster mustache that guys tattoo on their thumbs.

02:01:54.000 Love it.

02:01:55.000 Alright.

02:01:56.000 Joe Darman says, Tim, you need to watch Babylon 5.

02:01:59.000 If you liked DS9, you would love it.

02:02:00.000 Ian is like Gakar if Gakar did a ton of drugs.

02:02:04.000 Nice.

02:02:05.000 It has some eerie parallels.

02:02:06.000 Okay.

02:02:07.000 I love that character.

02:02:08.000 Alright, alright.

02:02:09.000 Let's just grab one more.

02:02:13.000 Larry Funk says, they lied about Dave for the sake of making themselves look like the good guys, which is of value to them.

02:02:19.000 They gained that value at his expense.

02:02:22.000 But I think the problem is...

02:02:26.000 It's getting to the point where the narrative is destabilizing, you know?

02:02:30.000 How do they keep maintaining this lie that people broke the rules when you have someone like Dave Rubin, nearly a million followers, you know?

02:02:38.000 He's a prominent guy.

02:02:39.000 They're flying too close to the sun, and I think the narrative is crumbling.

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02:03:47.000 Absolutely, dude.

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02:03:48.000 That was really great, man.

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02:03:57.000 That's Andreas.

02:03:58.000 He's actually in the vlog.

02:03:59.000 You know Andreas.

02:04:00.000 He eats the Luther burger.

02:04:01.000 Yeah, he's the wild one.

02:04:03.000 And you can pick this shirt up.

02:04:04.000 Unfortunately, I didn't ask him where beforehand.

02:04:06.000 Do you know where he's selling these shirts?

02:04:08.000 No.

02:04:08.000 I'll let you know next week and you can pick one up of your own.

02:04:10.000 It's a cool shirt though.

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02:04:24.000 I'm adopting him officially tomorrow.

02:04:26.000 His name is Dip.

02:04:27.000 I'm buying the Dip. 0.98

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