Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Babylon Bee Suspended For Calling Trans Gender Male a Man w-Louis Rossmann

00:00:00.000 The Babylon Bee has been suspended from Twitter because they made a satirical article labeling

00:00:18.000 a transgender male as man of the year after USA Today said this individual was woman of

00:00:23.000 the year.

00:00:24.000 The CEO of Babylon Bee is refusing to delete the tweet, thus it remains up, creating a very strange circumstance where Twitter has the power to remove the tweet they say is offensive, but they won't do it.

00:00:35.000 There's an interesting question here we'll talk about.

00:00:37.000 Why doesn't Twitter just say it violates the rules and it should leave?

00:00:40.000 It should not be here.

00:00:42.000 Why are they saying you have to be the one to take it down?

00:00:45.000 That I think is interesting because I wonder how that will play into the law.

00:00:50.000 If they find something objectionable, but they won't take it down when there's questions there.

00:00:53.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:00:54.000 We also have this story about this NCAA female swimmer who is now speaking out against transgender male swimmer Leah Thomas.

00:01:01.000 Though what I find interesting here is that this individual chose to support and compete against Leah Thomas and is only complaining after losing.

00:01:08.000 So there's a lot of interesting cultural stories we have now, especially Forbes has written a hit piece on Dave Rubin because Dave Rubin is having a discussion with conservatives about being a gay married man with kids.

00:01:17.000 And of course, we will talk a lot about what's happening in New York.

00:01:20.000 Seems to be falling apart.

00:01:22.000 Revenues are not coming back.

00:01:23.000 Unemployment is still really bad.

00:01:24.000 Crime is through the roof.

00:01:25.000 There's like a serial killer.

00:01:26.000 And so we can talk about all of that stuff as well as right to repair and what's going on with technology and economics.

00:01:33.000 And joining us to discuss all that is Lewis Rossman.

00:01:36.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:01:36.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:01:38.000 My name is Louis Rossman.

00:01:38.000 Yeah, sure.

00:01:39.000 I run a repair shop in New York City, and I do videos showing people how to fix things, and I show them all of the barriers that get in the way of people being able to fix their stuff, and I just try to get people a little bit more invested in what we do by showing them what happens behind the scenes.

00:01:52.000 I want people to kind of be in... actually want people like us to be able to be able to do our jobs, rather than just think that we're these shade tree mechanics where you don't really understand how we operate, who they have no investment in.

00:02:03.000 Cool, cool, absolutely.

00:02:04.000 We got some censorship stories, too, so we can talk a lot about the tech elements there, as well.

00:02:07.000 We got Ian wearing a weird hat.

00:02:08.000 What's up, everybody?

00:02:09.000 Luke Rutkowski sent Tim a beautiful birthday gift of this hat that I'm wearing and this golden beanie, as well, which I haven't seen on Tim yet.

00:02:16.000 We'll see if we can get that on him tonight.

00:02:17.000 And also, we received these two dice, this Adif 100 and...

00:02:22.000 20, 120 sided die and a 48 sided die.

00:02:25.000 I don't think they actually have 120.

00:02:27.000 It's too different.

00:02:28.000 You want red or green?

00:02:30.000 It's two different, weirdly numbered.

00:02:32.000 Someone was like, these are the only dice you'll ever need because you can like decipher, you can roll the 120 sided one and get like, act as if it's a D10, act as if it's a D20.

00:02:41.000 I don't know.

00:02:41.000 I haven't looked into it yet, but thanks for sending them.

00:02:43.000 They're pretty cool.

00:02:47.000 And I'm also here.

00:02:48.000 I'm seeing a lot of excitement in the chat for Lewis.

00:02:50.000 Really excited to have him and hear what he has to say.

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00:04:34.000 And let's read that first story and talk about the Babylon Bee.

00:04:38.000 There's a lot here that I find interesting.

00:04:39.000 This is a story we have from TimCast.com.

00:04:41.000 Babylon be locked out of Twitter for man of the year satire. 0.79

00:04:45.000 Quote, if the cost of telling the truth is the loss of our Twitter account, then so be it, said the CEO of the Christian-based satire news site.

00:04:53.000 So they received a notification from Twitter saying that their tweet has violated their rules against promoting violence, threatening, harassing other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.

00:05:09.000 They said you can start your countdown and continue to Twitter once you delete the content that violates our rules.

00:05:17.000 One tweet.

00:05:18.000 If you think we've made a mistake, contact us.

00:05:20.000 So the CEO is saying he won't be taking it down.

00:05:23.000 This is the post in question, or this is one of them.

00:05:26.000 It says the Babylon Bees Man of the Year is Rachel Levine.

00:05:29.000 Of course, Rachel Levine is a trans woman, hence the joke they were making. 1.00

00:05:32.000 Twitter says this violated the rules.

00:05:34.000 So there's something interesting here in that, one, I think we can discuss the CEO's unwillingness to take down the post.

00:05:40.000 He's saying we're not going to do it.

00:05:42.000 But also it's curious that Twitter Under Section 230, which grants this immunity to these tech platforms, it says that you can remove content that you find to be objectionable or, you know, lewd or lascivious or whatever.

00:05:55.000 In this instance, and actually, truth be told, this is typically how Twitter does it, They make you remove it.

00:06:02.000 So right now, this is where it's interesting, Seth Dillon has said the tweet they say breaks the rules is still up, available to be retweeted and seen by everyone, and it's going viral as people keep retweeting it.

00:06:14.000 Why would he take that tweet down if he believes in it?

00:06:17.000 And why wouldn't Twitter take it down if they think it's wrong?

00:06:20.000 That's what I find fascinating about this story.

00:06:22.000 Other than there's the whole culture war aspect of one perspective is allowed and one perspective isn't.

00:06:28.000 But I'm curious if you guys have any thoughts.

00:06:29.000 It feels like a parent making a kid clean up their own mess as punishment.

00:06:34.000 That's kind of interesting because it's not just saying, we don't like what you said.

00:06:37.000 It's also almost like a form of humiliation because they're like, you also have to take it down.

00:06:43.000 It's not enough that you be punished for this.

00:06:45.000 You have to do it yourself.

00:06:47.000 Like one of those classes where they get you to say something you don't believe until you start to believe it?

00:06:52.000 A struggle session.

00:06:53.000 Yeah, like a struggle session.

00:06:54.000 Apparently they're doing that in prisons.

00:06:55.000 I don't like this because the terms say if it promotes violence against, threatens, or harasses.

00:07:02.000 Now this tweet does not promote violence against anyone or threaten anyone.

00:07:06.000 But you could say that it's a harassment thing. 0.68

00:07:08.000 I think this is an abuse of the word harassment for the terms.

00:07:11.000 It's a one-off tweet.

00:07:13.000 It's a public figure.

00:07:15.000 I don't see any kind of consistent harassment for a claim, and the guy can always block it anyway, so... I just feel like it's so heavy-handed.

00:07:23.000 I think it depends on your definition of harassment. 0.85

00:07:25.000 I mean, if you're a trans person, it's being misgendered the same way as if I call you a, I don't know, a bad word for female genitalia or something.

00:07:34.000 You know, if I'm using it and I'm saying something that you feel is insulting, is that harassment?

00:07:39.000 But then again, if that's the rule, the reason I deleted Twitter is because that's literally all it is.

00:07:43.000 Yeah, this is the first time in a long time I thought I might actually just delete my account.

00:07:46.000 No, I deleted mine three years ago because pretty much it's just all that non-stop all day long.

00:07:51.000 Just, yeah, we were talking about this on the show last week, that Twitter only exists to emotionally destroy people.

00:07:56.000 Yeah.

00:07:56.000 I mean, back when you had only 140 characters to express something, it rewards negative impulsivity in the worst possible way.

00:08:02.000 And when I started doing it, that's when I deleted it.

00:08:04.000 I started my Twitter account in 2008.

00:08:06.000 And I make YouTube videos, 06, 07, and I was like, text is the devil.

00:08:11.000 Do not rely on text for communication.

00:08:13.000 Verbal communication is how we get along. 1.00

00:08:16.000 This text is, and people are like, Ian, you're such an idiot. 1.00

00:08:18.000 Text is fine, man. 1.00

00:08:19.000 Twitter's cool.

00:08:20.000 And then all these people start tweeting.

00:08:21.000 And now you see the age of miscommunication.

00:08:24.000 It's because people are etching markings on a wall and expecting someone else to know what they meant.

00:08:24.000 And there's a reason for it.

00:08:28.000 Yo, Twitter is the worst.

00:08:30.000 It's pretty bad.

00:08:31.000 It brings out the worst in people.

00:08:33.000 I would say, okay, you should be allowed to make a joke, whatever, but at the same time I look at it and I go, what am I gaining from making that joke?

00:08:39.000 I believe in the right to be able to say something like that, but I wouldn't use it if it's just going to piss a bunch of people off and I don't gain anything from calling this person a man versus a woman or whatever.

00:08:49.000 Well, I'll say, the Babylon Bee is a Christian site. 0.81

00:08:52.000 They have a perspective.

00:08:53.000 Yeah, and it's also meant for humor.

00:08:54.000 And it's a satire site.

00:08:55.000 So they're going to say things that are shitposts that are going to aggravate people.

00:08:58.000 Right, right.

00:08:58.000 I mean, comedy is offensive.

00:09:00.000 Or at least, it used to be.

00:09:02.000 It's supposed to be.

00:09:03.000 I don't know what left-wing comedy is right now.

00:09:04.000 There's this YouTuber guy and he... Someone posted this in response to Seth Dillon.

00:09:09.000 He's the CEO.

00:09:10.000 And it was like, why conservative comedy isn't funny?

00:09:13.000 And it's just like a weird thing to claim to, like, it's... Look, I understand the left is gonna pile on this dude who wrote, like, why conservative comedy isn't funny.

00:09:22.000 Like, they're gonna go and comment, be like, we know, we know, it's so true, conservative comedy isn't funny.

00:09:26.000 And I'm just like, yo, it's subjective.

00:09:30.000 I've never watched liberal versus conservative commentary.

00:09:32.000 When you look at, let's say, Bill Burr, I think would be more left than a lot of the people here. 0.82

00:09:37.000 When you listen to his 2012 special on gold-digging whores and beating women, I mean, would that come out in 2022? 0.97

00:09:43.000 No, no, no. 0.98

00:09:43.000 No. 0.98

00:09:45.000 I'm surprised he hasn't gotten his head chopped off for doing that.

00:09:47.000 Every now and then I'll watch that and just laugh hysterically.

00:09:50.000 I don't understand the idea of what conservative comedy is.

00:09:55.000 That's the weirdest thing.

00:09:57.000 The response on the left is like, you're not funny so it's not a joke.

00:10:00.000 I think you're talking about Greg Gutfield versus Seth Meyers or something like that.

00:10:04.000 But that stuff's not funny to me.

00:10:06.000 I don't enjoy either of them. 0.96

00:10:07.000 Ideologically possessed comedy sucks in my opinion. 0.97

00:10:12.000 Not necessarily. 0.98

00:10:13.000 It depends.

00:10:14.000 If it speaks to your ideology, you're going to enjoy it.

00:10:17.000 That's why I say it's subjective.

00:10:18.000 When there was a Vice special I saw where it was a transgender comedian and they were explaining how to do comedy properly, you make fun of yourself, that you're not hurting anybody and there's no oppression.

00:10:29.000 And it was a bunch of people in the audience and the person on stage was like a tall, skinny trans woman who was constantly talking about how awful they were to themselves. 1.00

00:10:37.000 And the audience was laughing, like, no one's getting hurt because they're making the joke about themselves.

00:10:42.000 They seemed to enjoy it.

00:10:43.000 I'm just like, I mean, I'm not going to rag on somebody.

00:10:45.000 Look, if you want to make a video game or a movie or a show and you want to go and you enjoy it, like, man, go do your thing.

00:10:50.000 I got nothing to do with it.

00:10:52.000 If I want to watch Dave Chappelle, don't get him canceled from Netflix because you don't like it.

00:10:56.000 Like, you're offended by it.

00:10:57.000 So, you know, Gutfeld, I think Gutfeld on Fox is more like a observational humor, but not, I wouldn't put comedy first.

00:11:06.000 It's like a, it's a political commentary show with snark, which makes you laugh some, depending on his audience, you know, it's one of the biggest shows.

00:11:14.000 Seth Meyers does the same for the left.

00:11:16.000 Maybe you want to argue that they're only laughing with the left, like they're being told to laugh or whatever.

00:11:20.000 I don't know, look, if people want to watch it and they get millions of views, they do.

00:11:23.000 Same with Colbert.

00:11:24.000 I had an issue a couple nights ago.

00:11:25.000 I was watching like the Epic Fails compilations on YouTube.

00:11:28.000 You ever watch those where it's just like epic fails and you see people falling down and slipping on ice and like tumbling into the ocean and stuff and I was laughing but it wasn't comedy.

00:11:37.000 It's people getting hurt and people falling down but I was laughing.

00:11:37.000 That wasn't comedy.

00:11:41.000 So I was laughing at something that wasn't comedy.

00:11:43.000 It's possible that What people consider comedy is actually not... Or something that's funny isn't necessarily comedy.

00:11:50.000 I remember when I was little I was watching I think it was America's Funniest Home Videos.

00:11:54.000 Oh yeah.

00:11:54.000 I think it was Bob Saget.

00:11:56.000 And maybe I'm misremembering this because it's been like 30 years or something.

00:12:00.000 But it was a guy skiing, and he trips and starts tumbling down the mountain, and Bob Saget was going like, like, whoopsie, falling, and I'm like, thinking to myself, I'm like, is that man very hurt?

00:12:12.000 I'm confused, like, what's happening?

00:12:14.000 And it was something like that, maybe I'm remembering it too harshly because I was like a little kid.

00:12:19.000 So I think that when people make fun of themselves in comedy, it's kind of like that.

00:12:22.000 You're laughing because you see someone hurting themselves in front of you, but it's not funny.

00:12:27.000 Well, it's funny, but it's not comedy.

00:12:28.000 At least in my opinion.

00:12:29.000 I don't like that self-depreciating stuff.

00:12:31.000 I mean, it's all right.

00:12:32.000 Rodney Dangerfield did it okay.

00:12:33.000 Bill Burr was all right with it.

00:12:34.000 But Dangerfield would rip on his wife, too. 0.99

00:12:36.000 So no one was sacred.

00:12:39.000 Yo, I've been thinking about the pronouncement.

00:12:45.000 The culture war is just getting so insane that when we say there's no middle ground, we're well beyond any kind of reasonable logic.

00:12:55.000 So, you know, I'm gonna bring it up because I, I really want to, but I had this tweet last, like this weekend about going to a diner.

00:13:01.000 Yeah, it was like Friday or something.

00:13:03.000 Where I was like, I went to a diner with my girlfriend and we are, we are, they told us a 20, they said it was a 20 minute wait.

00:13:03.000 Yeah.

00:13:10.000 And then they seated other people before us.

00:13:12.000 So I complained and left.

00:13:13.000 And like the point of my tweet was, one, I'm kind of irritable, you know, so that's like not a positive statement about myself, but that, you know, it serves me well in my work and business that I don't tolerate any kind of, you know, impedance.

00:13:26.000 So if they're like, oops, we seated someone else before you, I'll just be like, I'll go somewhere else.

00:13:29.000 Like, I got no issue.

00:13:30.000 I'm not gonna bother.

00:13:31.000 I'm not gonna, I'm gonna leave.

00:13:32.000 The weirdest thing is how this became a culture war issue.

00:13:36.000 It became political.

00:13:37.000 Like on Reddit, the right can't meme.

00:13:40.000 It's like a subreddit where they just make fun of like right-wing people.

00:13:42.000 They screen grabbed it and they were like, it was just like making fun of me for no reason on an inane tweet having nothing to do with politics.

00:13:53.000 I wanted to bring that up because you mentioned, well for one I wanted to bring it up, but also you mentioned how it's just like negative impulses on Twitter.

00:13:59.000 And I'm like, I didn't talk smack about anybody.

00:14:02.000 Like, I typically... I was about to tweet about AOC last week, and it was, like, nasty.

00:14:07.000 And so I, like, toned it way down.

00:14:09.000 Like, I want to make my point, but I shouldn't insult her or anything. 0.99

00:14:12.000 Like, I can, you know, criticize her without just being stupid and childish. 0.99

00:14:17.000 But man, I think you nailed it when you said it drives negative impulses. 0.99

00:14:22.000 I also think, as we mentioned before, it exists just to emotionally destroy people.

00:14:26.000 The one area where I disagree with you is where you said that there's no middle ground in the culture war, it's either here or here.

00:14:31.000 The middle ground is not on there, on the tablet, it's out there.

00:14:35.000 Every time I go outside and I talk to somebody in a line at a grocery store, there was a date I was on two weeks ago with somebody who I thought would absolutely horribly hate me over their position, they said, you know, she actually asked me, she's more left than I am, she said, what do you think of BLM?

00:14:48.000 And I said, you're, okay, this is gonna be fun, I'm a white store owner.

00:14:52.000 That was like there with activating a 400 watt air horn on my phone every time I heard somebody banging on the door June 2020.

00:15:00.000 And it was actually a very, very reasonable conversation.

00:15:02.000 I heard where she was coming from.

00:15:03.000 She heard where I was coming from.

00:15:05.000 That doesn't happen on Twitter.

00:15:06.000 That doesn't happen on Reddit.

00:15:07.000 But like, this happens at the line at the grocery store.

00:15:09.000 This happens at the gym.

00:15:10.000 This happens at, you know, a martial arts class.

00:15:11.000 It happens almost everywhere.

00:15:12.000 It just doesn't happen on the internet.

00:15:14.000 Because there's something about how people act when they're behind a screen that changes their entire perspective.

00:15:20.000 And I think the fact that all the political conversations that we're having now versus 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 years ago are not in person, where there's always that thought of, you know, I could get punched in the face.

00:15:29.000 Wasn't it Mike Tyson who said that?

00:15:31.000 That modifies people.

00:15:33.000 And for the last two months, I've spent way more time avoiding my YouTube comment section, avoiding social media and actually engaging with people in reality or, you know, sitting next to them in a steakhouse or a bar and talking.

00:15:42.000 And it's it's a radically different world.

00:15:44.000 There is a middle ground.

00:15:45.000 Like most people are in that middle ground.

00:15:46.000 It's just they're out there.

00:15:47.000 They're not on the Internet.

00:15:48.000 Well, so the problem is before you even get a chance to have that middle ground and that conversation, the Internet is sort of gaining more and more ground, getting more and more control.

00:15:59.000 You don't know, if you see somebody's Facebook post where they say all this other stuff, it may kind of aggravate you already, because you're like, wait, I don't agree with you here, this, that, and the other, and you're immediately going to be arguing instead of just asking questions.

00:16:09.000 So what do you think of this?

00:16:10.000 And then I give my perspective, you give yours, you have a kind of a back and forth.

00:16:13.000 You're already aggravated when you read somebody who's used their limited 140 characters to come up with the most douchey way to say that they don't like something.

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 Or a way to aggravate, like there was this one article I read recently, it was about the It was about lawn signs, and it was something on the lawn sign, you know, in this household we believe that women's rights are everybody's rights, you know, that no person is illegal, this, that, and the other, and it's like, there's not really, like, that sign is an F you Republican sign, it's not an actual I believe in all this, and it also doesn't necessarily invite discussion, the same way that the whole, you know, like, you owe me gas money sign with, like, Biden with neck, with, like, an Xi Jinping uniform and all that,

00:16:53.000 That's that, that memeing culture and all that, that doesn't open you to a discussion the same way that just, oh, you know, you're sitting next to somebody in a steakhouse.

00:17:00.000 But that's not the intent.

00:17:01.000 The intent is to create a perception of majority.

00:17:04.000 So the Biden stickers, the goal of that is so that regular people will see Biden being made fun of and not want to be in the out group. 0.97

00:17:12.000 So if there's someone who doesn't follow politics and they go to a gas station and they keep seeing the Biden stickers, Well, then they're more likely to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I think Biden's dumb.

00:17:20.000 Like, because the perception is if most people follow this, you don't want to be in the out group because the out group is dangerous.

00:17:27.000 You lose access to resources and humans have that natural survival instinct.

00:17:30.000 The same thing is true for putting flags on their porch or putting that sign.

00:17:34.000 They want everyone to see the signs.

00:17:36.000 And so that's one of the reasons I say there's no middle ground.

00:17:39.000 There is, you know, like you said, outside for the average person.

00:17:43.000 But what we're seeing more and more Like, the reason I brought this up is that the conversations around politics have become completely inane.

00:17:50.000 Like, we're seeing more and more people being made fun of for things that aren't even political, or conversations emerging around things that aren't even political or don't need to be.

00:17:58.000 I think everybody is on edge to the point where they're just waiting for the smallest thing to tick them off to lose it.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, I think that's true.

00:18:04.000 Everybody is very, very on edge and walking, just like vibrating with rage.

00:18:07.000 Well, I think one of the issues is that you have people who... It's an addiction, it's a drug addiction.

00:18:15.000 You want those hits, you want those clicks, and you're trying to find a way to get that satisfaction, so you want that tweet that's gonna get a thousand retweets or whatever.

00:18:23.000 So you have a lot of people on social media who are constantly one-upping each other, taking it one step further, left and right, because they want people to react, they want people to share, they want people to respond.

00:18:35.000 And there's no point where someone just, like, people need to start toning things down.

00:18:40.000 I certainly think that there are... Look, my perspective and my bias is fairly obvious in this one.

00:18:46.000 There's a reason why I think in polling, moderate voters and Republicans tend to agree on a lot of issues, and Democrats are completely in the out group relative to those two groups.

00:18:54.000 Or I should say, Democrats are isolated in their beliefs.

00:18:57.000 Independents and Republicans overlap massively on tons of issues.

00:19:01.000 And I think it's because there's something just...

00:19:04.000 Generally tribalist and cultish of the modern mainstream left and the things they're pursuing.

00:19:09.000 You can get story after story that turns out to be false and they just end up believing it. 0.82

00:19:13.000 You get illogical statements like only white people can be racist and Candace Owens is a white supremacist. 1.00

00:19:19.000 Things like that that don't seem to make sense.

00:19:21.000 I think economically a lot of people wind up leaning a little more left, but culturally they wind up leaning right because they think that type of stuff is crazy.

00:19:27.000 Nowadays.

00:19:29.000 You cannot be racist if you're here, but you can be racist if you were born this way.

00:19:33.000 Someone will hear that and go, what?

00:19:35.000 I think that same person would probably prefer Medicare for All to the healthcare system we have now where you fall off a bike and then you have a $5,000 bill for spending 45 minutes in a hospital that you weren't even awake for.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, right.

00:19:49.000 Or even choose to go to sometimes.

00:19:51.000 But there's way more overlap than people think.

00:19:52.000 When you read the internet, you really think that, OK, because I've heard you say this one thing, I now know what you think about these other 42 things.

00:19:58.000 But then when you actually go out in the real world, you realize that it's not like that.

00:20:01.000 It's not just a clipboard where there's a checkbox of 42 different things.

00:20:05.000 So as much as I would agree with you on a lot of this, one of the challenges I see is that The middle ground people aren't active, and so when we try and engage in things... They have jobs. 1.00

00:20:17.000 They have things to do.

00:20:17.000 They have lives.

00:20:18.000 They're out there doing everything.

00:20:19.000 This is what I explain to legislators.

00:20:20.000 Right, right.

00:20:21.000 When we try to do things, however, that we think are, like, good politically... I'll give you an example.

00:20:21.000 For sure.

00:20:25.000 A few years ago, we put on an event called Ending Violence, Racism, and Authoritarianism, and the keynote speaker was a very, very famous black jazz musician who de-radicalized members of the Klan.

00:20:37.000 Far left groups threatened to burn the theater down and then showed up and protested it.

00:20:41.000 The theater canceled our contract within two weeks, so there was not even an opportunity to have that middle ground conversation in a public setting.

00:20:47.000 We ended up having to move to a venue with half the seats.

00:20:51.000 I think a hundred and some odd people weren't able to attend because of capacity issues.

00:20:54.000 So while there are middle ground people who are working and doing normal things, If we want to change things for the positive, but we're being shouted out and screamed at by the squeaky wheel demanding the grease, then it is eliminating any middle ground opportunities for conversations, hyper-polarizing the conversation even in the real world.

00:21:11.000 I can see if you're not allowed to have an event how that would be aggravating.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, the naming of that event I took issue with when I was working with Bill and we were kind of formulating the idea, putting the event together.

00:21:21.000 I didn't end up going to that event actually, but I didn't like that it was ending violence as opposed to like destroy evil as opposed to create good.

00:21:29.000 Like it's the phrasing.

00:21:30.000 What was the argument from the people that wanted to shut it down?

00:21:33.000 I mean, to be completely honest, from any... If I was to make an assumption based on what I know about these people, they don't have one other than they must shout down any and all individuals who hold civil libertarian views.

00:21:46.000 So these were anti-fuck, critical race theorist types, and their whole attitude is just prevent the conversation from happening. 0.72

00:21:54.000 What was the conversation that you were looking to have that night? 0.99

00:21:56.000 Ending violence, racism, and authoritarianism.

00:21:58.000 So we actually had some...

00:21:59.000 What is the conversation they thought you were having?

00:22:03.000 That's the conversation they thought we were having.

00:22:04.000 Daryl Davis is very famous.

00:22:06.000 I've heard of him.

00:22:07.000 Yeah, I saw the show a while ago.

00:22:09.000 They don't look at our event and see a mixture of different voices across the political spectrum

00:22:13.000 and the headliner was this famous black man who de-radicalized Klan members who got a

00:22:18.000 standing ovation.

00:22:19.000 They don't see that and say...

00:22:20.000 From some ex-Grand Wizard of the KKK or something and there's a picture of him like after...

00:22:23.000 Oh no, 200 Klan members.

00:22:25.000 It's still happening.

00:22:26.000 He still gets emails and gets stuff in the mail.

00:22:28.000 I saw a two hour interview with him on Rogan a few years ago.

00:22:30.000 He was just on last week with Bill.

00:22:33.000 So your minds.

00:22:34.000 You have a speaker like that.

00:22:36.000 We had a mixture of some social justice activists like left-wing individuals as well as right-wing and libertarian individuals and not a single white nationalist or alt-right or any of that.

00:22:45.000 It was like a relatively like centrist libertarian slightly center-right to actual far leftist speaking there with our headliner getting a standing ovation from the audience.

00:22:56.000 There's no way they look at that and they say these are white supremacists.

00:22:59.000 Now that's what they told the press and the press uncritically publishes it. 0.66

00:23:03.000 Then they go to the venue and say, you have a bunch of white supremacists.

00:23:06.000 We want you to cancel it.

00:23:08.000 Apparently they threatened to burn the theater down.

00:23:10.000 So the guy, you know, he calls me and he's like, shut it down!

00:23:13.000 No business is going to want to be associated with that.

00:23:15.000 That's the problem.

00:23:16.000 And there's going to be very few that are going to want to deal with the aftermath after they've gotten your money for one evening.

00:23:20.000 So, so it sounds like to go back to what you were saying about the middle ground existing, it exists in small private underground conversations that people can't find out about.

00:23:28.000 I think it exists largely.

00:23:29.000 It's just the people that were doing that are the type of people who are going to threaten to burn a theater down.

00:23:33.000 They're not the majority of middle ground people.

00:23:35.000 They're a very small minority that just so happens to be the loudest and the most active.

00:23:39.000 The people that actually are in the middle ground, they have lives.

00:23:42.000 You know, when I have conversations with legislators, I'll often tell them, when they'll go, you know, there are 14 lobbyists against right to repair, you know, and one person here, and I'll go, Yeah, they're on a farm.

00:23:50.000 They're the reason that you have something to eat.

00:23:52.000 They don't have time to drive two hours and then sit here waiting for three hours so they could speak for three minutes.

00:23:56.000 That's not a good use of their time.

00:23:58.000 No offense, I'm not trying to be mean to you, but this is not what they do.

00:24:01.000 The middle ground people are out there making sure that we have electricity and food and water and computers and everything else. 0.99

00:24:06.000 They don't have time for this shit. 0.99

00:24:07.000 They don't have time to burn a theater down. 1.00

00:24:09.000 You're right.

00:24:10.000 The issue is... They are the majority.

00:24:12.000 What happens initially, and I agree, but what happens initially is that corporations and politicians only hear one voice.

00:24:19.000 They hear the people who are the loudest, and they hear the people who are the most obnoxious.

00:24:22.000 And the people who are the most obnoxious are often the people that don't have jobs, don't have lives, don't care about their reputation, and that threaten to do things like that.

00:24:28.000 And so what these legislators do is they assume if regular working class people won't speak up for this and won't have my back when I speak up for them, I won't.

00:24:38.000 So we had a guy in here, Terry Schilling, just last week who said he runs an organization that's basically the NRA for families.

00:24:44.000 and he was explaining how i believe was the governor of north carolina's

00:24:44.000 I think so.

00:24:47.000 everything so there was a governor who said if you know if you support a particular bill

00:24:52.000 all of that is conservative groups like we will have your back and he was like

00:24:55.000 okay and then when it came to the politics they all band and so he was like

00:24:59.000 the only thing i see then is that is the left coming out and using force

00:25:05.000 actually following through so that's that the issue i see is

00:25:09.000 moderates don't really have advocates in my head for the most part

00:25:13.000 because you know You know, moderates are moderate for a reason.

00:25:15.000 They're interested in hearing what you have to say, or they're undecided.

00:25:19.000 So you have a variety of right, a variety of left, and some centrist in between, and there's a conversation happening that, for the most part, the right is unwilling to stand up behind, and the left is absolutely willing to stand up and yell about.

00:25:32.000 So you'll end up seeing Amazon, Walmart, Xbox, all these video game companies publishing statements in support of Black Lives Matter and left-wing politics.

00:25:42.000 Then when it comes to the vote, you end up with a 2020 that looks very much like it just did, with a Joe Biden winning, and now you have all the politics that come after it.

00:25:50.000 I think, for the most part now, what's happened in this country has become so irrefutable that regular people are like, I'm voting Republican.

00:25:58.000 The general ballot, midterm general ballot polling is favoring Republicans by like, at 530 it has it at 2.4 and RealClearPolitics has it at 3.7, which is absurd because it's always Democrat up.

00:26:11.000 So now that it's inverted, they're expecting it's going to be like a crushing defeat for Democrats.

00:26:16.000 Ultimately, I don't think that'll solve anything.

00:26:18.000 But the issue then becomes if regular people don't really pay attention because they're too busy with their lives, then all that really ends up happening is they'll say, OK, I'm not going to vote for the Democrat this time.

00:26:27.000 I'll vote for the Republican.

00:26:28.000 But the Republican is just Democrat lite.

00:26:30.000 It's going to be the exact same policies, the exact same play, the exact same corporatism.

00:26:35.000 Or at the very least, they'll say, you know, we're going to pause things for here.

00:26:39.000 And then once Democrats get reelected, they kick things back into high gear and keep moving forward.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, I'm I was just thinking about about creating the reality we want with our words and how it's kind of disingenuous to say like things are good if they're not because it's like you're a realist.

00:26:59.000 I'm kind of an idealist in this in this description.

00:27:02.000 Anyway, we're both kind of moderate but There is something to saying, like, this is the way reality is, just describing the way you want it to be, even if it's not yet, so that people start to believe it and start to work towards it.

00:27:13.000 But it's also disingenuous when, because this is like the no truth, but power, like, you can't just say that something is and then expect it to be like, but if you don't say that it is, it's never going to happen.

00:27:24.000 So.

00:27:25.000 I don't know, man.

00:27:27.000 We need an ethical person to manipulate people to the ends that we need, that it's going to be better for the species.

00:27:33.000 Nah, see, that's the ends justifying the means.

00:27:36.000 Ethical manipulation sounds like a... Yeah, it does.

00:27:39.000 Sounds crazy, but that's what we do to each other.

00:27:41.000 We're having a conversation, we're manipulating each other with our words right now.

00:27:44.000 This is like what all of these big NGOs and global billionaire types, elites, that's their mentality.

00:27:53.000 I'm concerned that without a leader, Manipulation has an element of negativity to it.

00:27:56.000 I don't think you're doing it with a negative intent.

00:27:58.000 Right now, I'm manipulating his hat.

00:28:00.000 I'm holding it.

00:28:00.000 I'm moving it around.

00:28:01.000 I'm manipulating it.

00:28:01.000 It's just a neutral phrase.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, but when you're talking about manipulating a person, you're talking about controlling them into doing things you want them to do.

00:28:07.000 If you're hugging your wife, you're manipulating her body. 0.92

00:28:09.000 You're manipulating her.

00:28:10.000 But it's not a negative sense.

00:28:11.000 You know, it can be moderate.

00:28:12.000 It can even be good.

00:28:13.000 If you're pulling someone out of a burning fire, you're manipulating them away from the fire.

00:28:17.000 This is a justification for authoritarianism.

00:28:18.000 Well, the thing is, without a leader, I'm afraid that the good U.S.

00:28:23.000 Constitution is going to get scrubbed and burned. 0.71

00:28:26.000 Yeah, man.

00:28:27.000 You know what?

00:28:28.000 The rock in the hard place.

00:28:30.000 The reality is that people on the right, be it, you know, and I mean this as the colloquial culture war right, which includes centrist libertarians and like post-liberal types as well.

00:28:42.000 That they don't stand up.

00:28:43.000 They don't go out.

00:28:44.000 They almost never protest.

00:28:46.000 When conservatives go out and protest, they get smeared and slammed by the media and labeled as all the worst things in the world.

00:28:52.000 And so, for that reason, I think there's a good chance that, you know, not that there's a good chance, but the left, the cultural left, the critical race theorist left, all that, they've gained a lot of ground.

00:29:04.000 That being said, I think if you look at the polling coming out of FiveThirtyEight and RealClearPolitics is the aggregates.

00:29:10.000 Republicans and the cultural right have probably gained way more ground.

00:29:13.000 And like you're saying, most people are probably feeling this way more in the middle than anything else, at least out there in the real world.

00:29:20.000 The question is, if the perception is that the majority is on the left, people will be unwilling to speak out.

00:29:27.000 So let me do this.

00:29:28.000 Let me pull up this story and give you a really good example.

00:29:31.000 We have this story from foxnews.com.

00:29:33.000 VA Tech Swimmer rips NCAA Transgender Participation Policy.

00:29:38.000 Feels like the final spot was taken from me.

00:29:40.000 Rekka Gyorgy.

00:29:43.000 Am I pronouncing that wrong?

00:29:43.000 Is it Gyorgy?

00:29:44.000 Gyorgy. 0.97

00:29:46.000 Because Gyorgy sounds really bad.

00:29:47.000 Yeah, it doesn't sound good.

00:29:48.000 Missed the cut for the... I'm not trying to do that.

00:29:50.000 I just... I don't know.

00:29:51.000 Missed the cut for the consolation final in the 500 Free at the NCAA Championships.

00:29:57.000 So, this swimmer ranked 17th, and thus was booted out of the finals, and then issued a statement saying it's not fair because Leah Thomas, who won first place, is a biological male, and that's why she got bumped.

00:30:09.000 I'll tell you why I take issue with this, and it exemplifies what I was just saying.

00:30:12.000 A moment ago I was explaining how the culture war right doesn't stand up.

00:30:17.000 Or, a better way to put it is, the middle, the not-super-political individuals who are just working and living their lives, don't stand up.

00:30:25.000 So you were saying some moment ago that, you know, regular people out there in the world are probably closer to the middle, you know, but they have lives and jobs.

00:30:32.000 The people in this competition, the NCAA Women's League, apparently, it's been reported privately, are all outraged that a biological male is competing against biological females.

00:30:45.000 But not a single one of them publicly comes out and says, I am upset about this.

00:30:51.000 I do not feel it is right to have me compete in this situation.

00:30:54.000 They could, at the very least, say, I am issuing a protest to the fact that we are being told we have to compete against a biological male, but I will swim.

00:31:01.000 They could do that.

00:31:02.000 They won't even do that.

00:31:03.000 And only after the one person who just got bumped by one slot loses, do they come out and say, this is unfair.

00:31:13.000 Here's why I find this fascinating.

00:31:15.000 Where is the person who got 18th?

00:31:17.000 Why aren't they complaining and speaking up?

00:31:19.000 Oh, because it didn't matter.

00:31:20.000 They would not have won.

00:31:22.000 If Liat Thomas was removed, they'd be 17th.

00:31:24.000 They still would not have made the finals.

00:31:26.000 Why isn't the person who's in 16th complaining?

00:31:28.000 They made the finals!

00:31:29.000 What do they care?

00:31:30.000 The person who got 17th was bumped by one space, and they've got a scapegoat for what's upsetting them.

00:31:36.000 Now, if people in the middle actually did care about this, and apparently, like, look, behind the scenes, a letter was issued, parents have been complaining.

00:31:43.000 If they don't speak up and stand up for what they actually believe in and are worried about, then they're just going to lose.

00:31:50.000 And what am I supposed to do?

00:31:52.000 Just assume their feelings and speak up for them?

00:31:54.000 I mean, I will.

00:31:56.000 But this is the main issue.

00:31:57.000 Right now, this is a left ideological position that a biological male is competing against females.

00:32:03.000 This, uh, Leah Thomas is six foot four, broad shoulders, much, much larger than all of the other women, was actually, I think, ranked number eight in the men's division. 0.79

00:32:11.000 Now, a lot of people are posting a meme showing that Leah Thomas was ranked 462 or whatever.

00:32:17.000 That was after hormone replacement therapy knocked Leah Thomas to the bottom of the rankings. 1.00

00:32:21.000 And then everyone started saying, look, it's a bottom-ranked male.

00:32:24.000 Actually, before transitioning, was actually one of the top-ranked males and now is the number one female.

00:32:30.000 But my point is this.

00:32:31.000 If you're in the middle, And you're not paying attention, you're not speaking up?

00:32:35.000 This is what's happening?

00:32:36.000 These people privately are complaining about it?

00:32:38.000 Okay, well, if I know they're mad, at least we can assume they are, they're gonna lose everything.

00:32:43.000 These young women are not gonna win gold ever again, and it's their own fault for not standing up and actually issuing a complaint about what's going on.

00:32:49.000 So here's the issue I have with people not standing up for women's sports.

00:32:53.000 They specifically asked for a women's division. 0.99

00:32:55.000 I remember learning about Title IX in high school.

00:32:57.000 That was quite a while ago, but that's at the point.

00:33:00.000 And I remember thinking, OK, I think it's cool that women have their own division that they can compete in, that they're only competing against other women. 0.99

00:33:06.000 If you fought for something like that, you need to defend it.

00:33:06.000 Awesome.

00:33:09.000 And women are highly agreeable. 0.97

00:33:11.000 I see women just going along to get along. 1.00

00:33:13.000 But I tweeted earlier and I firmly believe that if women don't stand up against this, if women don't refuse to swim with this false swimmer, they deserve to lose 100%. 0.82

00:33:24.000 They deserve to lose all the time.

00:33:25.000 They deserve no more gold medals ever.

00:33:27.000 They don't deserve their own league.

00:33:28.000 Because if you're not going to stand up for whoever came before you fought for, then you clearly don't think it's important.

00:33:34.000 You don't think your scholarship's important.

00:33:36.000 I gotta add, many of the women in this league have actually spoken up in defense of Leah Thomas.

00:33:42.000 Really?

00:33:42.000 Yes.

00:33:43.000 100%.

00:33:44.000 And even in this woman, Rekha Gheorghi, she actually stated in her complaint, I fully stand with and respect Leah Thomas.

00:33:54.000 She's no different from the rest of us who wake up every day and train hard.

00:33:57.000 It's like, okay.

00:34:00.000 I think, to be completely honest, and I mean this legitimately, Rekha is only complaining because she lost and she got bumped and she has a scapegoat.

00:34:06.000 I think you're right, and this is exactly a case of women being too agreeable. 1.00

00:34:10.000 You can't give someone a foothold like that.

00:34:12.000 You can say, I respect them as an athlete, fine, but they should never compete against other women. 1.00

00:34:16.000 But why are you assuming they're opposed?

00:34:18.000 If they publicly say they're for Leah Thomas, why would anyone assume they're opposed to it?

00:34:22.000 Well, they wrote the letter, you know, they talk behind the scenes, you know, we really don't like being in a locker room with this It's obvious that this makes him uncomfortable and they know there's something wrong, but they're not saying, I will not swim with him.

00:34:34.000 So we'll operate under that premise.

00:34:36.000 Behind the scenes, we have seen letters issued by the parents complaining, saying their daughters are upset and they feel like they're being cheated or whatever.

00:34:43.000 Okay.

00:34:44.000 Well, the issue is if publicly they won't fight for it.

00:34:48.000 they lose it. So we're operating with the assumption they're upset, it's all happening.

00:34:51.000 But these are the regular people who are working, who are going to school.

00:34:55.000 Deep down, many of them know they're being slighted, being wronged, they're upset,

00:34:58.000 but they won't do anything about it, so what do we do? Look to Caitlyn Jenner, one of the sages of

00:35:03.000 our time.

00:35:04.000 If you're going to talk to anybody about transgender in sports, Caitlyn Jenner is the person.

00:35:08.000 It used to be Bruce Jenner, biological male, transitioned to Caitlyn.

00:35:11.000 Bruce was an Olympic athlete.

00:35:12.000 I think he won gold medals.

00:35:13.000 I think so, yeah.

00:35:14.000 He was like super famous.

00:35:15.000 On Wheaties boxes.

00:35:16.000 Yeah.

00:35:17.000 Of course, the father in the Kardashians now has transitioned to Caitlyn Jenner and speaks out against this.

00:35:23.000 Says, I have the balls to stand up for women and girls in sports. 0.97

00:35:26.000 I have a tweet, I'm looking at the tweet right now, I retweeted it. 0.96

00:35:30.000 It's pretty snarky.

00:35:31.000 She says that she's not about to stand up for transgender rights, she's here to protect women's sports.

00:35:37.000 That's the point.

00:35:38.000 And transgender rights, yeah, you're gonna get transgender rights, but women in sports, and women's sports is a unique, it needs to be protected. 0.56

00:35:45.000 I think that Caitlyn is a perfect person to speak out about this because Caitlyn used to compete at the Olympic level and then transitioned to try to be more feminine.

00:35:53.000 So here, let's look at the tweet.

00:35:55.000 Oh my gosh.

00:35:55.000 Caitlyn Jenner was responding to Pink News who said, Caitlyn Jenner launches another disgraceful attack on trans athletes without a hint of irony.

00:36:02.000 And Caitlyn Jenner said, no, I just had the balls to stand up for women and girls in sports. 0.58

00:36:07.000 And I didn't believe that tweet was real. 0.79

00:36:09.000 No, yeah.

00:36:09.000 And a bunch of other people were responding to screenshots of it saying there's no way that's real.

00:36:14.000 That's real.

00:36:15.000 But it's real.

00:36:16.000 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 So, so anyway, look, I don't, I don't know, you know, going back to what we were saying before in the previous conversation about, um, just everything that's been going on in the culture war.

00:36:25.000 If most people are upset about what's happening and feel like they're in the middle ground, but none of them actually speak up, then it's just going to get worse.

00:36:33.000 I would even say that that's proof that they're Caitlyn Jenner's part of the middle ground.

00:36:39.000 She probably disagrees with somebody like Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire on certain trans issues, but she also obviously disagrees with the idea of somebody who was born as a biological man competing with a biological woman in a sport.

00:36:51.000 But I think the issue is that what we would refer to as the right in the culture war incorporates post-liberal all the way to far right, actually.

00:37:01.000 So you have this massively eclectic group of people with varying different opinions.

00:37:05.000 Caitlyn Jenner would absolutely be considered on the right.

00:37:07.000 Right.

00:37:07.000 uh... blair white whose whose trans is considered right wing right on

00:37:12.000 well who else jimmy dore they call him a leftist with an asterisk because they're

00:37:15.000 like he he he he all he's a wall stories socialist but you know he just espouses right wing talking points of his

00:37:21.000 right wing so so the issue is

00:37:23.000 what caitlin jenner would be i mean it is called right wing 0.77

00:37:28.000 So they're not part of the left wing argument in the cultural debate.

00:37:33.000 The middle ground, if you're actually talking about how people feel, the middle ground is right wing.

00:37:39.000 That's another reason why I would say there's no middle.

00:37:41.000 Because if you come out and say, like me for instance, I say, I support progressive taxes.

00:37:46.000 Admittedly, I think it's a problem just to take money and give it to the government, but I think income inequality is a huge problem.

00:37:51.000 I think systemic racism is a problem.

00:37:54.000 I'm pro-choice.

00:37:55.000 They would say I'm still right-wing, even if I hold those positions that are clearly social left.

00:38:01.000 Right now, I mean, we'll get into this story in a second about Dave Rubin and conservatives, but if I say things that are clearly economically left and social left, it doesn't matter.

00:38:10.000 Because my view of the world or my ideas on civil libertarianism don't sync up with the left, they would say it's right-wing.

00:38:16.000 So then if my positions are not in the middle, then what's the middle?

00:38:21.000 Depends on where you're standing.

00:38:23.000 It's all relative.

00:38:24.000 Yeah.

00:38:26.000 No idea.

00:38:26.000 No, I think it's intended to be obfuscatively confusing.

00:38:31.000 Well, the issue is that the left, the far left, is controlling all of the institutions.

00:38:35.000 So in a perfect world, we could just ignore all of this and say, well, 99% of people are in what would be considered the middle by the far left.

00:38:41.000 They're not really right.

00:38:43.000 They just don't agree with the far left.

00:38:44.000 There's a meme about it.

00:38:45.000 There's a meme, the political compass, where the top authoritarian left says the left and everything else is far right.

00:38:51.000 Yeah.

00:38:51.000 Is it the left that controls every institution or would it be neoliberal kind of people?

00:38:56.000 Would you consider somebody like Sergey Brin, the CEO of Apple or the CEO of Google or the CEO of Facebook, are those leftists or are those people who are more neoliberal who will tweet the right thing at certain times but never actually stand behind it?

00:39:09.000 So the issue is when we're speaking about, at least when we do, it's hard to define our words.

00:39:18.000 Here on this show, the left includes leftists and neoliberal establishment.

00:39:23.000 And the reason is that the leftists tend to align with, support, or vote for the neoliberals.

00:39:29.000 Biden being a good example.

00:39:30.000 So I'll say ContraPoints, for instance, is a prominent trans woman and leftist YouTuber, but made a video saying you have to vote for Joe Biden.

00:39:39.000 That being the case, you'll see many of these people on the left, like Vosh we've had on the show, will call me a conservative.

00:39:46.000 He clearly sees himself contrasted with me, even though he comes on the show and we agree on certain things.

00:39:52.000 Granted, he's been accused of harboring very abhorrent views himself, whatever.

00:39:57.000 What he believes is entirely unto himself.

00:40:00.000 The issue is that It's more like, it's like what matters most is tribe, not principle or fact.

00:40:06.000 So I can come out and be like, I think Donald Trump represents the worst of American culture, but I certainly think he was the better choice to vote for.

00:40:13.000 Whereas the left is like, we don't care about all of the corruption we've complained about three years ago with Hillary Clinton, we're gonna vote for Joe Biden anyway.

00:40:20.000 Or they make up some reason to hate Donald Trump, or leftists, you know, agree with the mainstream media's narratives even though they've been lied to 800 times in the past 10 minutes.

00:40:30.000 So at that point, you can see the distinction between the spheres of influence.

00:40:36.000 There's a bunch of different ways to define the different factions, but in the right, you have people who are skeptical and discerning of news and demanding of facts, and on the left, you have the media reported this time, so it must be true.

00:40:47.000 Oh, that was wrong, but this won the media reported, so it must be true. 0.99

00:40:50.000 Are they? 0.98

00:40:50.000 Because I've seen a lot of right-wing Facebook people that I know, and they don't seem very discerning of a lot of the garbage that gets posted on Facebook. 0.98

00:40:56.000 Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about regular laymen, you're going to see a mixed bag of people who believe random nonsense. 0.98

00:41:01.000 I get a lot of news articles in my comments with somebody saying, hey, check this out, look at this, and then I'll check out the article, and I'll say, oh, that's a lot of interesting stuff that they didn't cite, and then I'll Google it, and it'll just all be BS, BS, BS.

00:41:10.000 But I'll clarify, too.

00:41:11.000 I specifically mean, like, among the leaders of, you know, You know, talking, sharing ideas, writing articles.

00:41:19.000 You'll see on the left, they repeatedly fall for every single hoax.

00:41:23.000 The right certainly does fall for some.

00:41:24.000 You know, we had this conversation last week, but I can go through the whole list of every Black Lives Matter protest that turned out to be a false narrative, like Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Ahmaud Arbery's a really good example, just over and over and over again.

00:41:35.000 Then you can look at the Covington kids, you can look at Jesse Smollett, you can look at Russiagate, Ukrainegate, all of these stories proven to be false.

00:41:41.000 The laptop being the most egregious.

00:41:43.000 And the issue is, When you have leftists and neoliberals either pretending to believe or genuinely believing stories that keep getting proven false?

00:41:53.000 I think Trayvon Martin and Jussie Smollett would be different categories altogether.

00:41:58.000 One is an area of somewhat disagreement on how something should have gone, and the other was, I just made this up.

00:42:03.000 Well, no, no, no, Trayvon Martin was the media edited the 911 call from George Zimmerman to make it seem like he was racist.

00:42:10.000 Okay, that's what it is.

00:42:12.000 You're talking about also where they made George Zimmerman look whiter by photoshopping him.

00:42:16.000 Yeah, so what I mean is that people keep falling for me.

00:42:18.000 I understand for that.

00:42:18.000 Yeah, the corporate press will put out a lie and then one group of people just says, that's true.

00:42:24.000 And then six months later, they're like, well, it was wrong, but this story is true.

00:42:26.000 I remember seeing when they edited the way that he looked, when they edited his facial color, that was kind of aggravating.

00:42:33.000 Well, they edited the 9-1-1 call, where the 9-1-1 operator asked his race.

00:42:38.000 They cut that part out, so it sounded like he was just saying, he's suspicious-looking because, you know, he's black.

00:42:43.000 But what really happened was, he says, you look suspicious.

00:42:45.000 And they said, how tall is he?

00:42:46.000 He's like 5'10".

00:42:46.000 And what's he wearing?

00:42:47.000 He's wearing a hoodie.

00:42:48.000 And what's his race? 0.69

00:42:48.000 I think he's black. 0.69

00:42:49.000 They edited all that out. 0.98

00:42:51.000 So, Michael Brown, hands up, don't shoot.

00:42:53.000 Now you have, don't say gay.

00:42:54.000 Just media lie after media lie after media lie. 0.80

00:42:57.000 And these people just keep believing it.

00:42:59.000 At a certain point, I have to say, they're probably not believing it.

00:43:01.000 They're probably just lying.

00:43:03.000 The problem with doing things like that that erodes people's trust is that they're willing to go to the other side and the other side can lie to them as much as they want because they just don't like this side as much as they do.

00:43:13.000 And it happens.

00:43:14.000 People who just all of a sudden are like, my political belief has now been swayed because I'm hearing an argument from someone who's been honest to me about these other issues.

00:43:21.000 When somebody's honest to you about these things that you've been lied to, it's very easy for that person to lie to you about everything else and for you to be less critical and then for the pendulum to swing in the other direction and go back and forth.

00:43:30.000 Yeah, so, you know, the way I see it is, at a certain point, people will see, like, 10 stories in the mainstream press that are all lies, and then they'll turn to a conservative and say, tell me the truth.

00:43:39.000 And they'll say, well, you know those things are lies, right?

00:43:41.000 OK, now this was the truth, you know, here's the truth here, and they'll say, OK, I believe you.

00:43:45.000 Because I have no—I don't know who else to trust, right?

00:43:48.000 If you're honest to me about these issues, you're probably honest about this one.

00:43:51.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 And so, you know, ultimately therein lies the big problem, which is the middle ground.

00:43:58.000 I guess the right are people who just don't trust the establishment anymore.

00:44:01.000 Is that one way to put it?

00:44:02.000 It's like the media reports it and you're like, I don't believe it.

00:44:05.000 You know, I kind of see it a little bit more as weak minded people and strong minded people.

00:44:10.000 You get weak-minded people on any side.

00:44:13.000 Extreme leftists, extreme rightists.

00:44:14.000 People that just buy the bull.

00:44:17.000 And that's the matter.

00:44:17.000 Not everyone's always weak-minded.

00:44:18.000 Sometimes strong-minded people become weak-minded because of bad diet, not enough sleep, stress.

00:44:23.000 Sometimes weak-minded people get strong-minded because of adversity.

00:44:26.000 They struggle through adversity.

00:44:27.000 But that's more of a category as I split these people.

00:44:30.000 Let's pull up this smear.

00:44:33.000 Oh boy.

00:44:37.000 Alright, alright.

00:44:39.000 Well, a lot of people have criticisms of Dave Rubin, but I don't think this headline actually fits what is being accused of Dave Rubin.

00:44:50.000 It's clearly a lie.

00:44:51.000 And this is once again the game being played.

00:44:53.000 The story is, I'll simplify it and then we'll go through it.

00:44:56.000 Dave Rubin and his husband are having two children through surrogacy.

00:45:00.000 Prominent Christian conservatives say, I disagree with gay marriage and I disagree with birth through surrogacy.

00:45:06.000 Therefore, you know, we'll issue statements of criticism towards Dave Rubin.

00:45:10.000 That's very, very different from saying that his own audience has turned against him because, like, a handful of public figures who are Christian conservatives are having conversations with him where they say they disagree and they don't like his lifestyle.

00:45:22.000 You know, if his audience turned against him, you'd expect, like, he's losing millions of subscribers or, you know, tens of thousands, he's getting disliked like crazy, and that's not happening.

00:45:31.000 So here's the point of this article, in my opinion.

00:45:33.000 They've not written an article to inform anyone of anything.

00:45:37.000 They've written an article to just rile up people who already hate Dave Rubin so they can be like, haha, I was right the whole time, Dave Rubin's a bad person.

00:45:47.000 I don't genuinely know if anything is to be gained by media doing things like this.

00:45:52.000 And so, you know, I'll do a throwback when you said that Twitter is just, you know, negative impulses.

00:45:56.000 I think that's where the entirety of the media is at.

00:45:58.000 Well, if I read Forbes' own description of themselves, the first reaction that I have to this before I even care about the story is they say, Forbes is a global media company focusing on business, investment, technology, entrepreneurship, and leadership.

00:46:08.000 And like you're writing about a dude that decided to have a kid while he's gay with a husband. 0.55

00:46:12.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:46:12.000 That's right. 0.91

00:46:13.000 Slow news day?

00:46:13.000 I mean, I don't care.

00:46:15.000 I mean, why?

00:46:16.000 Yeah, maybe what we need.

00:46:18.000 There's a lot of money to be made in making people think the world is worse than it is, the world is more divided than it is, and we hate each other more than we do.

00:46:23.000 And I think everybody's looking to get in on it as much as humanly possible, and I find it disgusting.

00:46:27.000 Not everybody, but enough people are that it's raising an alarm bell.

00:46:30.000 I would say there are certainly the grifters, as we call them, who want to get in on it.

00:46:35.000 I wonder if also people are genuinely just in that world and it's making it worse and it's making it more pronounced.

00:46:40.000 So the more stories like this come out, the more people get riled up, the more they talk about it.

00:46:47.000 I genuinely think there are a lot of people on the left who truly believe what they're saying.

00:46:52.000 And every day they come out saying, you know, the Republicans are worse than the Nazis or whatever.

00:46:57.000 I think they really believe it.

00:46:58.000 I think they justify it in their own minds.

00:47:00.000 I certainly think there are people on the right who do the same to the left.

00:47:03.000 However, I think the tendency on the right is they tend to know what the left is thinking, so they have a more balanced view of what the culture war actually is.

00:47:10.000 And the left just keeps one-upping everything and getting more and more absurd.

00:47:14.000 Yeah, that's definitely true.

00:47:15.000 And I think one of the things that I have observed with the right is that people say, Oh, um, well, one of the things I've noticed that the right is constantly more well-versed in what the left thinks and the left is and what the right thinks, because we are constantly exposed to what the left believes, because as I said earlier, the left is in charge of the institutions, especially journalism.

00:47:35.000 And that's why I think that such of a majority of Twitter is so left-leaning is because most of them are journalists.

00:47:40.000 How do you define that, though?

00:47:41.000 I mean, when I hear somebody say the left, that could be almost anything from Michael Bloomberg to Vosch.

00:47:46.000 I mean, that's a very, very large spectrum.

00:47:47.000 It does include them.

00:47:48.000 Yeah, it is a spectrum.

00:47:48.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:47:50.000 So the challenge when having conversations... Actually, someone super chatted this.

00:47:53.000 They said there's no middle ground, there's only uninformed people or something like that.

00:47:56.000 And so the issue is... I would disagree.

00:47:59.000 I think that person probably has 40 different things that they most likely down a checklist, like this, this, this, this, this, and if somebody disagrees with them on one of them.

00:48:06.000 It depends on where you're at, right?

00:48:08.000 So if you're an economic left on healthcare and you go to a healthcare convention where there's a bunch of conservatives talking and you're arguing for universal healthcare, they're gonna call you a leftist, you know what I mean?

00:48:18.000 So it depends on which issue you're specifically on.

00:48:21.000 But back to my earlier point though, the point I made earlier, if you're in the middle genuinely and you stand up and speak out, you're instantly right-wing.

00:48:31.000 So, for instance, the reason the NCAA swimmers won't speak up about the biological male in the competition is because, as they've stated privately, they're scared they'll be ostracized or kicked out and won't be able to compete, or they'll lose all their career opportunities, they'll be kicked out of school, or generally just have their life ruined.

00:48:50.000 These are people who are in the middle.

00:48:51.000 I mean, these are people who are not pronounced one way or the other, who can't say a word because they'll be called far-right.

00:49:00.000 If someone, if I went to give a speech and someone started calling me a name, like, hey, rightist, hey, you're far left, hey, you're a centrist, I would see that as them deflecting what I'm talking about and avoiding the conversation.

00:49:11.000 It's just kind of like a placation.

00:49:12.000 It doesn't, it doesn't... People try to figure out who you are so they could figure out whether they should dismiss your beliefs without engaging with them.

00:49:21.000 What a crazy world we live in.

00:49:23.000 I understand that you do want to discern, like, I don't want to go smell the poop to know that it stinks. 0.92

00:49:27.000 I already know it stinks.

00:49:28.000 So, like, I don't need to know every piece of poop to know that poop stinks.

00:49:32.000 COVID for me was one of the best examples that there was very, that there was somewhat diminishing middle ground in public discourse. 1.00

00:49:37.000 For instance, I'll get all of these comments that say, you know, the reason that this stuff still exists is because idiots like you were wearing a mask in the beginning. 1.00

00:49:43.000 The more you, if you comply, you will never stop. 1.00

00:49:46.000 People in the store were wearing masks back when the television told us that you were a hypochondriac if you did that.

00:49:50.000 We did that because I told them very clearly if everybody gets sick at the same time, payroll here is $20,000 a week, rent is $12,000 a month, here's how much money is in the bank, here's how much I can afford to pay you all if you all get sick and we don't have any money.

00:50:02.000 So everybody decided to wear one, you know, just because we didn't know what the hell was going on yet.

00:50:07.000 So let's just stay safe.

00:50:08.000 But I didn't close my business.

00:50:09.000 I'm not going to close my business and just, you know, not make anything for that entire time and just economically destroy myself.

00:50:15.000 So people who were a little bit more left would say, you know, I got hate mail under my door for April of 2020, like consistently.

00:50:21.000 For being open.

00:50:22.000 Yeah, because I was staying there to finish the shipping because the shipping person and the receptionist were staying home, so I was doing the job of both.

00:50:28.000 So I would stay a little late and I would go to the bathroom after closing the lights and come back and I'd see hate mail at my door after eight.

00:50:34.000 But there was a, you know, they would say, how dare you?

00:50:36.000 You're some evil capitalist staying open. 1.00

00:50:37.000 And then people that were on the right would say, you know, you pussy, why are you wearing a mask? 1.00

00:50:41.000 And it's like, I mean, I'm not saying that you should have to close your business. 0.99

00:50:45.000 I'm not saying that you should have to close your business, but but I'm going to do the basic things that I can do just to If there's any chance of it increasing my likelihood of surviving and increasing likelihood of the business surviving, why not?

00:50:57.000 And it's like, it was just one or the other from so many people and it was very boring.

00:51:00.000 So the person who said there's no middle ground, I think there is middle ground. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Like even on an issue like COVID, I am not going to say, it's usually either this doesn't exist, this is a hoax, you're an idiot, or be afraid until 2030. 0.99

00:51:09.000 And it's like, there is a middle ground of I will live my life. 0.98

00:51:12.000 Here are the minor modifications I will make that don't have a cost.

00:51:15.000 Here are the modifications that have a great cost that I'm not willing to make.

00:51:18.000 And I, you know, I weigh it and I do it that way.

00:51:20.000 But is the middle ground having an impact on policy?

00:51:24.000 Is the middle ground having an impact on policy?

00:51:25.000 Yeah, I think the answer is no.

00:51:26.000 Well, I did see the CBS has did an article about Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:51:31.000 It's on CBS now.

00:51:32.000 I think that us being kind of a middle ground, I feel like a middle ground force pushing this Hunter Biden thing.

00:51:37.000 It's it's broken through.

00:51:38.000 It's affecting policy.

00:51:39.000 Only after it doesn't matter if it affects policy.

00:51:41.000 Right.

00:51:41.000 Only after it doesn't matter.

00:51:42.000 I mean, just to get that knowledge out into the mainstream is important because it may in 2024 end up being a bigger deal than we realize.

00:51:49.000 Yeah, yeah, maybe.

00:51:51.000 But I wonder if that has anything to do with the middle ground.

00:51:54.000 I mean, the conversation on Hunter Biden's laptop needed to happen in October, and it was shut down by big tech and the corporate press.

00:52:00.000 I don't think the middle ground has as much of an effect on policy.

00:52:03.000 If it did, again, in New York, you had mask mandates, business closures, and everything else.

00:52:07.000 And in other states, they're saying, if you want somebody, if you, let's say, if you ask the schools to make people wear masks, you know, we're not going to give you money.

00:52:14.000 So it's literally one way or the other.

00:52:16.000 It's the radicals on each side that have an effect on policy.

00:52:20.000 The issue I take with that is, if in Florida they say schools can't require masks, that's the government telling the government it has restrictions.

00:52:29.000 If the government tells a private individual they can't open their business, that's the government imposing on private individuals.

00:52:33.000 One's bad, one's government restriction.

00:52:35.000 I would rather err on the Florida side than the New York side, just to make it obvious where I am.

00:52:40.000 But I didn't even know if that order applied to repair shops, because they actually edited it.

00:52:44.000 On March 20th, 2020, when Cuomo did the pause order, it was read as if the only places that can stay open are places that are doing technology repair for the government.

00:52:54.000 And then they edited the website to make it sound like it was anybody that is doing technology repair.

00:52:58.000 But I still stayed open.

00:52:59.000 would err on the side of Florida before the side of New York.

00:53:02.000 The other thing is, in terms of the COVID response at the governmental level, the left

00:53:05.000 would say like, oh, Trump's failures or the Republicans' failures led to X deaths.

00:53:10.000 Whereas you had, you know, Cuomo, Wolf, you had, what's his face in New Jersey?

00:53:14.000 What was it?

00:53:15.000 Murphy?

00:53:16.000 Murphy.

00:53:17.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 You had, um, um, man.

00:53:19.000 Whitmer.

00:53:20.000 You had Whitmer, and who else did it?

00:53:22.000 Who else?

00:53:22.000 What was the other governor?

00:53:23.000 Newsom, I think.

00:53:24.000 Illinois governor?

00:53:25.000 Newsom, I think, did it.

00:53:26.000 They all literally murdered people.

00:53:28.000 Right, yeah.

00:53:29.000 So during COVID, they actually, with knowledge, put COVID patients in nursing homes, resulting in mass death.

00:53:36.000 Cuomo, for instance, was warned by his chief of health or whatever, if you put sick people in nursing homes, you will kill people.

00:53:43.000 He doesn't strike me as the type of person that likes to be told no by anybody.

00:53:46.000 But so think about what that means.

00:53:47.000 I mean, on the right, it's like, we're not going to, the government will not intervene.

00:53:51.000 But then people will die if you don't.

00:53:52.000 Well, you know, it's your responsibility to figure it out for yourself.

00:53:55.000 The government's not going to impose on the private establishments.

00:53:57.000 Though they, you know, they do for a lot of reasons.

00:53:59.000 In this instance, they were, you know, limited.

00:54:01.000 And then in all of these big Democrat governorship states, they were like, I mean, we'll literally kill people.

00:54:07.000 Like, they didn't have to.

00:54:08.000 You know, in New York, they had the Javits Center.

00:54:10.000 They could have put sick people in the Javits Center and only reached 30% capacity.

00:54:13.000 Didn't they have the U.S. 0.90

00:54:15.000 Army Corps of Engineers build a hospital in the Javits Center?

00:54:17.000 They did.

00:54:18.000 And it was at 30% capacity. 0.97

00:54:19.000 But instead of putting patients there, Cuomo said, you know, he'd rather just kill elderly people in nursing homes.

00:54:24.000 I know they sent the USS Comfort, but there were a lot of complaints saying that they were not allowed to take a bunch of different patients.

00:54:29.000 So it kind of wound up being, they claimed it was more of a PR stunt for Trump than it was actually helping.

00:54:33.000 I only read one article on that, so I'm not as well informed.

00:54:35.000 But I know that the Javits Center was supposed to be built to be a hospital.

00:54:39.000 It wasn't used.

00:54:39.000 Yeah, and it wasn't.

00:54:41.000 I mean, 30%, I think, was as high as it got.

00:54:44.000 70% of the real estate in that city probably isn't even used.

00:54:47.000 I mean, they could have built a lot.

00:54:48.000 So therein lies the main point.

00:54:51.000 Once again, back to what we were talking about, if you go to the middle and ask them, they'd say, put the sick people in the Javits Center.

00:54:58.000 But the Democratic establishment was like, no, kill the elderly in the nursing homes. 1.00

00:55:02.000 And it was done in like five different states. 1.00

00:55:05.000 Was that the Democratic establishment, or was that Cuomo being a dumbass? 0.98

00:55:08.000 If it was just Cuomo, then you would have seen it with Whitmer, Murphy, Wolf, and Newsom. 0.98

00:55:12.000 All of these different Democrat governors all doing the same thing.

00:55:15.000 Did they all have a nursing home scandal?

00:55:16.000 Because I didn't follow every other state.

00:55:17.000 The only thing I know about Whitmer was the Walmart thing where you're allowed to go in aisle 11, but not 13.

00:55:20.000 Right, yeah.

00:55:21.000 Let's triple check, though.

00:55:23.000 You want to pull that up?

00:55:24.000 I'm pretty sure they all did the same thing.

00:55:26.000 Yeah, I believe so.

00:55:26.000 And in fact, one of our- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:28.000 In Pennsylvania, it was Rachel Levine, the transgender admiral- She took her mother out. 1.00

00:55:32.000 Who took their parents out of the nursing home before they did it.

00:55:35.000 So, I mean, they knew what they were doing.

00:55:35.000 Right.

00:55:38.000 Well, one of our friends, Charlie Lee Duff, is actually suing Governor Whitmer over this stuff.

00:55:42.000 Right.

00:55:43.000 Yeah, so I know it happened there.

00:55:44.000 And it wasn't as big a scandal as it was with Cuomo, but it was a very real problem for them as well.

00:55:48.000 Yeah, it was almost like an afterthought from the Cuomo thing, but it is a big deal.

00:55:52.000 You got it, too, Jim?

00:55:52.000 Yeah.

00:55:54.000 So all of these governors did the same thing, and the people at the highest level knew what was going on.

00:55:58.000 Clearly.

00:55:59.000 Now, it's possible it wasn't coordinated, but that they were at least communicating as to what was happening with each other and taking actions.

00:56:06.000 Meanwhile, regular people were seeing their parents die in nursing homes.

00:56:09.000 So again, you go to an average person in the middle, and they'll be like, hey, this is really, really bad.

00:56:14.000 But if you come out and say the things we're saying right now, they'll call you right wing.

00:56:19.000 Maybe I can talk about this later.

00:56:21.000 I'm just looking at Rachel Levine.

00:56:23.000 All right, we'll save it for the after.

00:56:24.000 Save it, save it, yeah.

00:56:25.000 The health minister of the United States.

00:56:26.000 That's who that is.

00:56:27.000 Looking very healthy, yeah.

00:56:28.000 Let's talk about New York.

00:56:29.000 Yes.

00:56:29.000 Jeez.

00:56:30.000 Let's talk about New York City.

00:56:31.000 We got this in the Daily Mail.

00:56:32.000 NYC has worst unemployment rate in the U.S.

00:56:35.000 at 7.6 because Manhattan workers and international tourists still haven't returned to crime-ridden city post-COVID.

00:56:42.000 I don't think it's the crime.

00:56:43.000 I think it's the expense.

00:56:44.000 I mean, if you have a business that was... Most people don't like change.

00:56:47.000 Most companies don't like change.

00:56:48.000 So if you have a company that's massively profitable, why would you want to switch your entire management style and take a giant risk by having everybody work from home?

00:56:54.000 But if your arm is twisted and you have no choice, it's either A, you go out of business, or B, you figure out how to make people work from home, you'll figure out how to make people work from home.

00:57:00.000 And then once you figure out how to make everybody work from home, now you can say, you know what?

00:57:04.000 Instead of paying $300,000 a month in rent for the entire floor of this office, what if we just paid $10,000 for a satellite office?

00:57:09.000 You're saving $290,000 a month, and if that's the case, why are you going to have everybody return?

00:57:14.000 What's the point?

00:57:15.000 I've walked home several times to my old apartment in Bed-Stuy from Manhattan on 27th Street.

00:57:22.000 Maybe it's just because I'm used to it or I grew up there or I'm missing something, but I haven't felt any fear of crime on my walk home, more than at least what I've ever felt.

00:57:29.000 But it's just all these places, all these office buildings, all these stores, they all save for rent.

00:57:33.000 I think that's the reason.

00:57:34.000 It's just if the office workers haven't returned, if the businesses haven't returned, then there's going to be less work for people.

00:57:39.000 Think about this too.

00:57:40.000 If you're a business based in New York, let's say you're like BuzzFeed, right? 1.00

00:57:43.000 And all you really do is you have people sit around writing articles about stupid garbage. 1.00

00:57:48.000 But they could write those garbage articles anywhere. 1.00

00:57:51.000 Now, cost of living in New York is high. 0.99

00:57:53.000 It's very high.

00:57:54.000 I think it's the highest in the country, right?

00:57:56.000 It goes up every year.

00:57:56.000 I think so.

00:57:57.000 It goes up every year.

00:57:58.000 And plus, New York City has the highest taxes, highest income taxes.

00:58:02.000 So, New York State plus city taxes makes your income, your income tax the highest.

00:58:07.000 California as a state has the highest, but I think New York City having like a, what is it, a 3% city?

00:58:12.000 Like 3 or 3.5% for city, 6 or 6.5% for state.

00:58:15.000 And I think it's slightly lower if you make less.

00:58:17.000 But that's approximately what it is.

00:58:19.000 I don't even think it's the tax that does it.

00:58:20.000 I think it's just the sheer not having to come back to work.

00:58:23.000 No, no, no.

00:58:23.000 The point I'm making, what I'm pointing out with the taxes is that the cost of living is high.

00:58:28.000 The average person needs to make like six figures to have a middle class life.

00:58:32.000 I think in New York State it's like $150,000 to $175,000 you need to make to be considered middle class because of the cost of living being so high.

00:58:38.000 Like $3,000 on average for rent.

00:58:40.000 I think it's gone up to like four.

00:58:42.000 So you're BuzzFeed, and you're like, if I want to hire someone in New York to come in the office and write about Brad Pitt's junk or whatever, I gotta spend $175K for mid-tier talent.

00:58:52.000 Okay, well, in rural, upstate, or even in central PA, where the cost of living is low, they can do the same work.

00:59:00.000 We can do virtual meetings, you can metaverse or whatever.

00:59:03.000 We can pay him 60?

00:59:04.000 All right, hire the guy in PA.

00:59:06.000 So now the dude who's sitting in New York whose talent tree includes writing about Brad Pitt's junk is sitting there being like, I can't get a job anywhere.

00:59:13.000 Do you think that California making it, I think what they did was made it illegal to have people not be employees but to be contractors for writers and vloggers.

00:59:21.000 Do you think that was a good or a bad move?

00:59:23.000 Bad move.

00:59:24.000 I haven't.

00:59:25.000 so much of their digital industry it's a laugh it'll be bad.

00:59:30.000 It was the unions that pushed for this bill. Did you hear about this

00:59:32.000 in California? I haven't.

00:59:33.000 So this was I think like two years ago or longer. The unions pushed for this

00:59:38.000 bill that said companies can't hire contractors for a certain amount of

00:59:42.000 tasks and so this would result in like Uber having to hire people I think.

00:59:47.000 I think Uber may have got an amendment that defeated it or something.

00:59:49.000 But it meant that if you were a writer, a freelance writer, you could only write, like, 30 articles per year or something like that.

00:59:57.000 It was, like, month.

00:59:58.000 Yeah, it was a really low amount per month.

01:00:00.000 Yeah, so, like, the average person might write, like, five or six articles per day.

01:00:03.000 Now you can only do 30.

01:00:05.000 Well, the California company just says, OK, your contract's terminated.

01:00:08.000 There's a guy in Arizona who can write the same thing for me, and he can work all day every day, because Arizona doesn't have those laws.

01:00:13.000 Or actually, what it was is companies in New York fired all of their California contractors and freelancers just overnight.

01:00:22.000 It was like SB Nation, a Vox company, terminated all of their California freelancers.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, it just doesn't synergize with the COVID narrative of work from home.

01:00:30.000 Well, this was before COVID.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, it was before COVID.

01:00:33.000 I wonder if it was like a prep for this kind of contingency.

01:00:37.000 I don't know, man.

01:00:37.000 The working from home thing changed my life.

01:00:38.000 I used to work always on location and then in 2010 I started working with Mines and we just kind of worked from our laptops from a Starbucks or wherever.

01:00:45.000 And man, the commute is really draining.

01:00:48.000 I don't know.

01:00:49.000 You say you take your electric bike to work now.

01:00:51.000 That might be kind of refreshing.

01:00:52.000 20 minutes on an electric bike.

01:00:53.000 It's fun, but still, even if I didn't actually have to make that 20 or 30 minute trip, why would I?

01:00:56.000 Exactly.

01:00:57.000 And especially if I could pay $1,000 in rent instead of $12,000 in rent, then why would I not do that?

01:01:01.000 I think a lot of this is driven by economics more than it is by crime.

01:01:05.000 So, but you have a physical location in New York City, right?

01:01:07.000 Unfortunately.

01:01:09.000 So people have to physically walk in and hand you something to fix.

01:01:13.000 So you can't, I mean, you could theoretically do the remote, if what, you bought something in the middle of nowhere and said, ship me your phone and I'll fix it.

01:01:18.000 Yeah, but that would still require the employees to commute to that location to do the job.

01:01:21.000 I just mean for like New York City, like your job requires you to be a service on the ground in New York City for people of New York City.

01:01:28.000 Some things we're not going to be able to automate or remote or whatever.

01:01:32.000 Some things are never going to really be remote, fully remote.

01:01:34.000 But a lot of stuff is.

01:01:36.000 Does this, you know, has it forced you to spend more money, or I'm sorry, charge more money for your services in New York City?

01:01:44.000 Like the fact that Industry, you know, all these buildings are shut down.

01:01:47.000 Less people are working.

01:01:48.000 Unemployment is very, very high.

01:01:50.000 You having to have a physical brick and mortar location, I'd assume costs are going up, right?

01:01:54.000 My costs went, all my prices went up in 2012 when I opened a real store rather than just, you know, work out of the park or anything like that.

01:01:59.000 I haven't raised my prices anymore now because when people lose their jobs and everything else costs more money, they tend to not want to spend more money on their repairs.

01:02:06.000 If your grocery bill is twice as much and you just lost your job from COVID, you're probably not.

01:02:09.000 If anything, people were asking for discounts nonstop in 2020 and early 2021.

01:02:13.000 But have your costs gone up now in the past couple of years with the pandemic?

01:02:16.000 My costs haven't gone up as a business.

01:02:18.000 They went up not because of what happened, but because I moved in 2019 at pretty much the worst possible time.

01:02:24.000 I almost tripled my rent at the worst possible time because business was doing this.

01:02:27.000 And then I move and then it's like... But food prices are up as well.

01:02:30.000 I mean, food and gas and everything is up.

01:02:32.000 That's got to have an impact on your business, right?

01:02:34.000 Personal.

01:02:35.000 Personal, yes.

01:02:35.000 For the business, not really.

01:02:37.000 I just feel like in the long run from this, all of it points towards certain things are going to become more expensive, certain things are going to become cheaper.

01:02:46.000 Things that have to be physical will probably get more expensive and things that don't have to be will probably get cheaper.

01:02:50.000 I don't see how rent can get any more expensive in New York City, but it continues to.

01:02:53.000 I know what how is it gets me to a point where they're like, hey, no one lives here anymore.

01:02:57.000 Let's just drop the rent back down to I don't believe any.

01:03:00.000 I don't think anything there is supposed to be rented.

01:03:02.000 Like this started as a I didn't I didn't even intend for this to be like a real video series.

01:03:06.000 I just was looking for a new store in 2019.

01:03:08.000 And I was so aggravated that every time I'd see a place they lied about, I said, I'm gonna buy one of those little laser measurers.

01:03:13.000 I'm gonna record the next time.

01:03:14.000 What did they lie about?

01:03:15.000 Well, they would say it was 1,800 square feet.

01:03:17.000 I would show up and it would be 800.

01:03:18.000 And then I would just, I have my camera and I go, okay, so this says 800.

01:03:21.000 You said 1,800.

01:03:22.000 Why?

01:03:23.000 And that video series is probably the most successful thing I've ever done on YouTube.

01:03:27.000 Like 99% of my channel probably doesn't even know that I fix MacBooks.

01:03:29.000 They just see me as the real estate person because of that.

01:03:31.000 But all of these, a lot of these places, they would say, you know, if you don't rent it, it will be rented next week.

01:03:35.000 We have all these clients lined up and then I'll show up a year or two or three years later and it's all empty.

01:03:40.000 So why don't you lower the price like a little bit?

01:03:41.000 You have spaces that are the size of my store, which was $12,500 when I first rented it.

01:03:45.000 They were going for $75,000 a month, and it's the same size as my location, just two blocks this way.

01:03:50.000 And they still won't be rented three or four or five years later.

01:03:53.000 And more and more of the city looks like this, and the prices never go down with anything.

01:03:57.000 The office prices stay like that, and they stay empty.

01:04:01.000 So this was happening before COVID.

01:04:02.000 There was just something needed to happen to kind of prick this little bubble.

01:04:08.000 Has it gotten better, or it's still getting worse, or what?

01:04:10.000 No, I mean, I still walk by these places every day.

01:04:12.000 Are they owned by megacorps that are writing off the losses on their taxes or something?

01:04:15.000 I have no idea.

01:04:16.000 The best thing that I can imagine was this gentleman I'll quote on Reddit, Laminar Flow, who was saying that a lot of these properties, let's say the mortgage, will be owned by a bunch of investors as a commercial mortgage-backed security.

01:04:29.000 And I'm probably misphrasing this because I read it a year and a half ago.

01:04:32.000 But you can't simply... If you lower the rents on the property, the value of it goes down.

01:04:37.000 If the value of it goes down, well, your collateral is the actual building, which means that the owner of the property would have to give up that amount of money, or you'd just default on the mortgage.

01:04:47.000 Well, no, that'd be a great thing.

01:04:48.000 You'd write off your losses.

01:04:49.000 You could save money on taxes by doing that.

01:04:51.000 No, you can't.

01:04:52.000 If you actually advertise the space at a lower rent, it winds up saying, meaning that the building is worth less.

01:04:58.000 And if the building is worth less than your own... Oh, but if you have a mortgage on it, your collateral is the building.

01:05:03.000 So let's say the building is worth $3 million, now it's worth $2.

01:05:06.000 Well, you as the building owner need to now give the bank $1 million in collateral, in cash, or in something else.

01:05:11.000 I don't think that's true.

01:05:13.000 I mean, I have mortgages and stuff.

01:05:15.000 I did read this on Reddit.

01:05:17.000 I do think it is possible for mortgages to call in if the value of the house drops too low and the bank panics, but I'm not sure exactly how that works.

01:05:23.000 I don't know how it works with commercial mortgage-backed securities.

01:05:25.000 It was the closest thing that sounded like it made any sense, but I can't pretend I know.

01:05:29.000 I think what might be happening right now is Prices, because demand is low, prices actually are dropping.

01:05:37.000 But the reason you see the rent staying, you know, going up is because inflation is actually outpacing the rate at which the building should be decreasing in value based on supply and demand.

01:05:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:47.000 A lot of these spaces are still going for $100 to $500 a square foot.

01:05:51.000 Yeah.

01:05:51.000 And it's like, that doesn't make sense.

01:05:53.000 That didn't even make sense before COVID.

01:05:54.000 Because before COVID, these spaces were all empty.

01:05:57.000 So after COVID, if people have left, then it definitely doesn't make sense.

01:06:01.000 Well, before COVID, it's just New York prime real estate.

01:06:04.000 You're going to hold on to it because it's valuable.

01:06:06.000 During COVID, everything was, you know, decreasing in value, but inflation was actually getting really, really bad.

01:06:12.000 And it's been consistently bad every month.

01:06:14.000 For the past, what, six months?

01:06:16.000 Every month it's like inflation is at a record.

01:06:18.000 Inflation is at a new record.

01:06:19.000 It's like inflation hasn't been this high since the 80s.

01:06:23.000 And it's going up a little bit.

01:06:26.000 If you actually do the calculation based on the 80s numbers, then inflation right now is actually the worst it's been since World War II.

01:06:33.000 Then you also see the accusations.

01:06:34.000 I think it might have been Thomas Massey who said this.

01:06:36.000 Nancy Pelosi included a 21% congressional budget increase.

01:06:42.000 Either that means she's giving everybody, like, a big raise during a crisis, or to cover the cost of inflation for their congressional budgets, they just did a 21% increase, which says a whole lot about what inflation might actually be.

01:06:56.000 So if the actual demand for these places is non-existent or gone down dramatically, then it should go from $100 a square foot to maybe $30 a square foot, right?

01:07:06.000 Then inflation hits and it spikes right back up, because it's New York and things are just getting crummy.

01:07:10.000 Even if it was 20% inflation, if it went from 100 to 30, then it should only go up to, let's say, 36 or 38 or 40.

01:07:15.000 But I mean, like, New York has a substantially higher cost of living, so going from 100 to 30 was just medium hyperbolic.

01:07:23.000 If it goes from 100 to, like, you know, 85, and then it jumps up another 16, it goes back up to 100.

01:07:29.000 So, inflation?

01:07:30.000 I mean, maybe.

01:07:31.000 I'm just speculating, to be completely honest.

01:07:33.000 I honestly don't know where we're going to go from here, because I think almost all work we're seeing now, from most of the millennial generation and lower, is just not real work.

01:07:42.000 To be completely honest, what we're doing is work.

01:07:46.000 I read the news all day every day, so I know stuff, and I read all this stuff.

01:07:50.000 But man, it's kind of crazy to me that we sit in a room talking about things and it generates revenue.

01:07:55.000 And I can buy food with it?

01:07:56.000 Man, I don't make bread.

01:07:57.000 I don't farm anything.

01:07:58.000 That's wild.

01:07:59.000 There are people who work at BuzzFeed who, like I said, write about Brad Pitt's junk or whatever and they make $60,000 a year.

01:08:04.000 And that's crazy because the dude loading the plane, I swear, I think we're very close to some kind of, you know, Occupy-style revolt or whatever.

01:08:12.000 Maybe this will be a catalyst in the Civil War or something like that.

01:08:16.000 The people who load planes so that you can travel around get paid probably $15 an hour at this point.

01:08:21.000 Yet the dude sitting in an office in New York with a finger up their nose, wondering like, how can I call Trump racist today, is getting paid $40 an hour.

01:08:32.000 That is mind-blowing to me.

01:08:34.000 Something doesn't make sense.

01:08:35.000 Certainly, I think working-class people are going to lose it and just be like, I am done with whatever this is. 1.00

01:08:39.000 I mean, think about this.

01:08:41.000 Let's say you work at an airline, and I say this job because I did it, and we got paid $10 an hour back in 2008.

01:08:48.000 Let's say you're working that job and you're getting $15 an hour right now, or maybe even $20 still.

01:08:54.000 And then you're doing this job, and you look up in that plane, and you're thinking to yourself, like, you know, truth be told, when you work for these companies, you get to fly for free.

01:09:01.000 You have to pay the taxes on it, but you get non-rev flights, standby.

01:09:06.000 But you're wondering, like, what is that guy up there doing, that 25-year-old dude with those thick black framed glasses?

01:09:12.000 What does he do for a living that he gets to fly on this trip to Nassau, to go to the Bahamas, man?

01:09:17.000 I wish I could do that.

01:09:18.000 Here I am doing all of this hard back-breaking work, 50,000 pounds per day, loading these planes, and I don't make enough money to go on these vacations, and who's that guy?

01:09:26.000 I wonder what his job is.

01:09:28.000 Now, these guys are probably assuming, like, must be a tech guy, must be a finance guy, and then the dude up there with the black-framed glasses is like, Brad Pitt's junk was seen in a movie today, and he's making all that money so he can fly to the Bahamas.

01:09:40.000 Like, this system is broken, if you were to ask me.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, I have a feeling that the megacorps are coming to buy all the land.

01:09:46.000 Not all the land, but a lot of property.

01:09:48.000 Like Black Rock State Street, they're gonna buy up a bunch of property, and then there may be a revolt.

01:09:53.000 An American revolt against the corporate landowners, because it's like, you may own it on paper, but if you're not there, you don't really have control of the property.

01:10:01.000 They'll have private security, and then it's up to is the American government going to support the corporations and the law that says that they own it, or are they going to support the people and the freedom against corporate monopoly?

01:10:11.000 Because if you want to print $80 trillion and then give it to BlackRock to buy $80 trillion worth of property before inflation, and then destroy the economy, BlackRock doesn't get to own that property.

01:10:21.000 You will own nothing and you will be happy.

01:10:23.000 Well, I suspect what's more likely to foment a revolution, because this infuriated me and I'm incredibly patient, was something like the Bloomberg opinion talking about ways to save money.

01:10:33.000 Some of the things you can do are not treat your pet if they have cancer, take the bus, and eat lentils instead of meat.

01:10:38.000 Wait, did it actually say not treat your pet if they have cancer?

01:10:40.000 Literally said that.

01:10:41.000 Well, you know, pets are a luxury.

01:10:43.000 Insane.

01:10:43.000 Look, sooner or later, you all will realize you will own nothing and you'll be happy.

01:10:47.000 Also, lentils are banging, by the way.

01:10:49.000 That's fine.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, lentils are fine.

01:10:50.000 I don't care about that.

01:10:51.000 Let's talk about owning nothing and being happy.

01:10:53.000 Yes.

01:10:54.000 We have this story from Wired.

01:10:55.000 It's actually from a month ago, but it gets into the core of Right to Repair.

01:10:58.000 It says, A fight over the right to repair cars turns ugly.

01:11:01.000 In the wake of a voter-approved law, Subaru and Kia dealers in Massachusetts have disabled systems that allow remote starts and send maintenance alerts.

01:11:10.000 Now, I'm not super interested just in that, because I want to talk about the bigger picture, but I think this shows an interesting, you know, issue as it pertains to these big corporations, and the rest of us, who will eventually own nothing and be happy.

01:11:21.000 I'd just like to point out, like your iPhone, what is it?

01:11:24.000 You don't actually own the software on it, you have a license to it, and they could brick... Oh, you can keep the phone, but we'll brick it remotely because we own the software and you lose your license to it.

01:11:33.000 This is a problem because we're losing ownership in things.

01:11:35.000 We don't own movies anymore, we don't own the software on computers, and when it comes to you actually buying a phone, you can't even fix it without the company denying your warranties.

01:11:45.000 So, Lewis, you're actually the right-to-repair guy, right?

01:11:48.000 Yeah?

01:11:49.000 I try to be.

01:11:49.000 Alright, so tell us what's going on with this and what's up with what this means.

01:11:53.000 There was a 2012 law that was passed in Massachusetts where the automotive manufacturers would have to give independent mechanics access to what's needed to be able to repair your car.

01:12:04.000 So diagnostic software and everything else.

01:12:06.000 You'd have to make that available to them.

01:12:07.000 And there was one loophole in it with regard to wireless.

01:12:11.000 So if you are doing all of this stuff wirelessly, then you won't have to deal with that law.

01:12:16.000 So they were trying to close that loophole before everything winds up being done wirelessly so that they don't get locked out.

01:12:21.000 And there was a ballot initiative, and I believe it was 75% in favor, 25% opposed.

01:12:26.000 And a group called... To get rid of the wireless loophole, or what?

01:12:30.000 Well, to pass this, so that there wouldn't be any sort of loophole, so that you'd still be able to.

01:12:34.000 And the idea that they're saying is that people now, if you allow these independent mechanics to be able to use diagnostic software on the car, that they are, and also they were going to create an open, some sort of open data protocol, so that they would be able to access it.

01:12:48.000 That they would then be able to follow you to a garage and sexually assault you. 0.99

01:12:52.000 Wait, what?

01:12:53.000 Well, there were a bunch of commercials done where there was a woman walking to her car and it was a nice very very dark blue lighting and she's getting into her car and this scary music is playing and right as before she opens her car window she looks behind herself and she's about to get smacked by some dude and the implication is that that dude is the car mechanic.

01:13:08.000 Like the car mechanic was kidnapping women?

01:13:11.000 And then there was another one where this car mechanic is slowly walking up on the garage.

01:13:14.000 This woman is slowly closing the garage door and he opens it up and then he walks into her home.

01:13:18.000 And you hear the scary music playing in the background.

01:13:20.000 The implication is that's the dude that fixes your car.

01:13:22.000 So this was paid for by Ford, Honda, Nissan, General Motors, and Toyota.

01:13:26.000 They each contributed four to five million dollars for those commercials.

01:13:29.000 They were all scrubbed from the internet entirely because why would you want to be associated with this after you lose?

01:13:34.000 But I archived them on my channel and that's what they were doing to try to get people to vote against it.

01:13:39.000 Is there a way to search for this real quick while you're talking?

01:13:41.000 It's on my channel.

01:13:43.000 I think it's a right to... I forget the title of my own video, which is really, really... I don't remember.

01:13:49.000 It's somewhere on my channel.

01:13:50.000 If you look for... If you just look for the ballot initiative... What do you search for?

01:13:56.000 I don't know.

01:13:58.000 Right to Repair Sexual Assault probably is what... How long ago was it?

01:14:01.000 This was in August of 2020.

01:14:04.000 OK, so not too long ago.

01:14:05.000 Yeah, this was August 2020 that I made that video and I put the video there and you can't find it anymore.

01:14:10.000 And their website is completely scrubbed.

01:14:11.000 They were trying to scare your average voter into believing that if independents are able to work on your car, that they'll be able to assault you in a parking lot and break into your home. 0.64

01:14:18.000 Called lobbyists imply right to repair helps domestic abusers push racism.

01:14:22.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:14:23.000 That's it.

01:14:24.000 And they also they also said it was racist.

01:14:24.000 Yeah.

01:14:25.000 Lobbyists imply right to repair.

01:14:27.000 If you search that.

01:14:28.000 They also said it was racist, which is something we got accused of in this very state.

01:14:31.000 That right to repair was racist?

01:14:32.000 Yeah, I got accused of that literally two weeks ago.

01:14:34.000 It's in this video.

01:14:35.000 So if you fast forward to a minute, there you go.

01:14:37.000 There you go.

01:14:37.000 Let's play this.

01:14:38.000 All right.

01:14:39.000 Personal data stored in your vehicle.

01:14:42.000 Domestic violence advocates say a sexual predator could use the data to stalk their victims.

01:14:49.000 Pinpoint exactly where you are, whether you are alone, even take control of your vehicle.

01:14:58.000 no what i think we're gonna start here but i think the look in

01:15:01.000 behind herself of the whole time she's walking through that place alone

01:15:04.000 firstly yeah and it will like you to hear what's that's a really

01:15:08.000 yes so that they were there looking to overturn that ballot initiative and

01:15:11.000 they've been in court for this entire time and the judge is actually starting to get kind of aggravated

01:15:15.000 with their arguments what they're saying because they said it's

01:15:17.000 impossible for us to Yet then Kia and Subaru complied by simply disabling their wireless systems altogether, which is... It's a discussion as to whether that's complying with it or evading it, but it aggravated the judge.

01:15:27.000 So the judge is likely gonna... There's a good chance that this winds up getting held up.

01:15:30.000 And yeah, I mean, if you buy a car, you should be able to fix it.

01:15:34.000 You should be able to get access to the diagnostic tools.

01:15:35.000 This shouldn't be something where it's like dealing with Apple, where you... If you want to be able to diagnose it, you have to Wait for somebody to get a stolen schematic off of a truck in China somewhere so that you could fix the $40,000 car that you own.

01:15:46.000 I just want to point out the absurdity of them trying to play the racism angle, where it's just like they're probably sitting in a room like, how can we get people to not be okay with this?

01:15:55.000 Ooh, call them racist.

01:15:56.000 That actually worked.

01:15:57.000 So in March of 2020, there was a Right to Repair Bill hearing in Maryland, and there was one person who said, you know, this bill talks about making source code available, which it doesn't.

01:16:08.000 It doesn't mention source code once, that's never in the bill.

01:16:10.000 And he said that, well, you know, by the way, viruses don't just appear out of nowhere, they appear because people have access to the source code.

01:16:17.000 You could immediately hear every single person who was a Linux developer Or a systems administrator who knows that over 60% of the internet is run on Linux, which is open source.

01:16:24.000 Like, just banging their head against the wall listening to this.

01:16:26.000 So I did a video saying, with the testimony, because I went there to record it, and I also testified in this hearing, to explain why this was wrong.

01:16:33.000 And I listened to that video, I've listened to that video like a hundred times since I did it.

01:16:37.000 I don't hear anything racist in it.

01:16:38.000 I try to channel my own, like, Ibram X. Kendi or, you know, Robin DiAngelo to try to figure out what I could have said or done that was wrong, and I don't see it.

01:16:46.000 I read through it.

01:16:46.000 Even my comments.

01:16:47.000 I had 300 comments at the time.

01:16:48.000 It was, uh, it was, uh, this is who's stopping rights repair in Maryland from March of 2020.

01:16:52.000 And I, it, there's nothing racist in it. 1.00

01:16:55.000 There are a lot of comments saying, this politician is a moron. 1.00

01:16:58.000 Wow, I can't believe this guy got elected. 1.00

01:16:59.000 What an idiot. 1.00

01:17:00.000 Which is normal political discourse in our country, regardless of race. 1.00

01:17:03.000 But he had said, so when we hired a lobbyist in that state, they said that that was a racist video and that's why they weren't going to consider right to repair.

01:17:11.000 So then the lobbyist said, well listen, my client is willing to personally come down here on a trip, come to your office and apologize and discuss anything with you.

01:17:19.000 He's like, no, don't worry about it, water under the bridge.

01:17:20.000 Then two weeks ago they say, oh yeah, there was a very racist video that was done and I'm not going to consider this bill.

01:17:26.000 Wow.

01:17:28.000 Really?

01:17:29.000 And I've literally read through every single comment, every single one of the 300 comments, because you'll see, there are comment sections on YouTube where they'll say, you know, oh, look at that set of runners where the runner means jogger and jogger means n-word for somebody that doesn't actually want to say it.

01:17:44.000 None of it.

01:17:45.000 It was clean as can be. 1.00

01:17:46.000 Just idiot, dumbass, whatever. 1.00

01:17:48.000 They're lying, bro. 1.00

01:17:49.000 But the thing is, it worked.

01:17:50.000 Right.

01:17:51.000 Because that bill is gone now.

01:17:52.000 But this is what I was talking to you about, middle ground people.

01:17:55.000 You think average middle ground people would, if you talked to them and explained to them what happened, they'd be on your side?

01:17:59.000 I don't know a single left-wing person that watched that video of what he was claiming that even agreed with him.

01:18:04.000 Even people that I know that are very left-wing, it was like, that's full of it.

01:18:07.000 What was the actual claim?

01:18:08.000 So who was the politician who was not getting on board?

01:18:11.000 C.T.

01:18:11.000 Wilson.

01:18:12.000 He's a Democrat or a Republican?

01:18:13.000 He is.

01:18:14.000 Alright, well.

01:18:16.000 The thing is, Right to Repair has been screwed over by Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians in almost every single state.

01:18:21.000 Libertarians?

01:18:22.000 That's surprising.

01:18:22.000 What?

01:18:25.000 Republican, I get.

01:18:26.000 Democrat, I get.

01:18:27.000 In Nebraska in 2017, there was a Senator, Bob Crist, who agreed to meet with all of us the day of the hearing.

01:18:33.000 And then he called off the hearing.

01:18:34.000 And then he wasn't interested in it.

01:18:37.000 Muller Roback, Kim Roback, who was an AT&T lobbyist, donated $3,000.

01:18:41.000 I thought that's nothing.

01:18:43.000 Maybe the cost of living is different in Nebraska and that's all it takes.

01:18:45.000 But he was going to meet with us.

01:18:47.000 He called it off last minute.

01:18:48.000 You go to followthemoney.org and that day you see Kim Roback, the AT&T, who used to be lieutenant governor, who was an AT&T lobbyist, who testified against the bill, gave him money.

01:18:57.000 Ernie Chambers, this is interesting, Ernie Chambers, who is a very left-leaning Democrat, and if you go to followthemoney.org, actually there's no company giving him money.

01:19:05.000 He is purely fundraised by his neighbors and everyone going door-to-door knocking and people giving him a dollar.

01:19:10.000 He said, and I quote, to consider this bill, strike all contents from the bill and write in the following, better luck next year, and then he started laughing at us.

01:19:17.000 What?

01:19:18.000 Then he started laughing at us.

01:19:19.000 Laura Epp, who is a libertarian, sat next to him.

01:19:21.000 Also laughed.

01:19:22.000 By the way, she was voted out of office by Tom Brandt.

01:19:24.000 No, she was beat out of office by Tom Brandt, who is a Republican, who is a farmer, who won an election based on rights to repair.

01:19:31.000 In Washington state, the Democrats voted for it.

01:19:33.000 Every single person who voted against rights to repair, who didn't want it to move forward, was a Republican in Washington state.

01:19:38.000 The interesting thing is, in Nebraska this time around, It was actually urban Democrats that voted for Right to Repair and rural Republicans that were endorsed by the Nebraska Farm Bureau that voted against it.

01:19:49.000 And a part of me wonders, is this just them trolling?

01:19:53.000 Are they just trying to say, like, are they trying to actually get the rural vote and say, listen, you guys see us all as city slickers.

01:19:58.000 They're voting against you being able to fix your own tractor.

01:20:00.000 We don't even know what a tractor is and we're voting for it.

01:20:02.000 So why don't you consider voting?

01:20:03.000 But in every state, it's been very eclectic.

01:20:05.000 Who supports it and who declines, who denies it?

01:20:08.000 It's a total coin toss.

01:20:09.000 You know, I'm willing to bet it has a lot to do with, uh, you know, for farmers.

01:20:12.000 You've got a lot of these big companies.

01:20:14.000 It's not so much the farmer as is the politician.

01:20:16.000 And they say, we're going to run ads against you and make you look as bad as possible to every one of your constituents. 0.99

01:20:23.000 You know, the amount of money we will dump into destroying you, you will never compete with.

01:20:26.000 And they say, okay, I'm not going to, I'm not going to bother.

01:20:28.000 That's another thing that's been very interesting is figuring out who is for this and who is against this.

01:20:31.000 So when I started actually, when I did the fundraiser last year, I wanted to do the ballot initiative in the state of Massachusetts.

01:20:36.000 That was my goal.

01:20:37.000 To try and get it passed by people and just bypass this entire disgusting process altogether. 0.68

01:20:42.000 I said if I raise three to six million, I'll do it.

01:20:44.000 If I don't, I'll just do traditional lobbying to try to get something passed in the state.

01:20:47.000 So there's a state where I am, we introduced a bill that does not exclude farm equipment.

01:20:53.000 And there was someone who was asking to be excluded from farm equipment, and it was a farm bureau.

01:21:00.000 So I get an email from my lobbyist that I would have not shared, but at this point I don't care because I got called racist by senators in the state and the bill got killed anyway.

01:21:09.000 He said you probably shouldn't share this because if you share stuff like this, do you want to get a bill passed or do you just want to stir up stuff?

01:21:15.000 Well, I didn't get a bill passed doing it your way anyway.

01:21:17.000 So I see an email saying, it's still a tough issue to address.

01:21:20.000 Our problem isn't a non-ability to repair our own equipment, but more a lack of service providers in key times of the year.

01:21:25.000 Key part.

01:21:26.000 Most farmers don't have or care to have the knowledge or the equipment to repair their own equipment.

01:21:31.000 So it's a service provider issue.

01:21:33.000 Tell that to a farmer. 0.99

01:21:34.000 Tell that to a farmer that most farmers don't have the knowledge or the ability to repair their own stuff. 0.99

01:21:38.000 Well, farmers are all dumb, so... No, but this is somebody that represents farmers that is saying this. 0.98

01:21:42.000 This is somebody from a farm bureau. 1.00

01:21:44.000 So I say, listen, I can't let this go.

01:21:46.000 I know I'm supposed to let this go.

01:21:47.000 I can't let this go.

01:21:47.000 I give the guy a call.

01:21:48.000 It's like, you emailed my lobbyist who I hired.

01:21:51.000 I know that you know that he was going to send this to me.

01:21:53.000 I grew up in Brooklyn.

01:21:55.000 I've never been on a farm in my life.

01:21:56.000 So if I show up to a state and I start advocating for rights to repair, and then we remove agriculture from the bill, that's going to look like this New York City slick or whatever is trying to screw over farmers.

01:22:07.000 Do you understand how that looks for me?

01:22:08.000 Now, you're the one who's asking to be removed from the bill, and you're saying if you're not removed from the bill that you're probably going to ask to be removed, and that's going to be awkward, so we should ask to be removed.

01:22:16.000 So I need you to understand how bad this would look for me if I was to remove it.

01:22:20.000 Can you explain why you want to be removed from this bill?

01:22:22.000 And can you explain how I can explain in a PR-friendly way why it is you're asking to be removed when you're saying that you support farmers?

01:22:28.000 And can you please explain this line that you told me?

01:22:30.000 Most farmers don't have or care to have the knowledge of the equipment to repair their own equipment. 0.97

01:22:33.000 And the answer that I got was, in my opinion, garbage. 0.97

01:22:36.000 So there's, there's, there's, this is politics, man. 1.00

01:22:39.000 You, look, if you, if you play it honest and honorable, you'll get stampeded over and crushed by the people who are willing to lie cheaters.

01:22:46.000 I got stampeded.

01:22:46.000 I absolutely got stampeded.

01:22:47.000 And the thing is, the idea, you can't share this.

01:22:50.000 If you share that, then you'll look bad.

01:22:51.000 I didn't share.

01:22:52.000 Oh, I love sharing.

01:22:53.000 I did exactly what I was supposed to do.

01:22:54.000 Sharing is caring.

01:22:56.000 And then, you know, this is... Did anything win?

01:22:58.000 No.

01:22:59.000 It wasn't going to win anyway, but...

01:23:01.000 I like sharing the details.

01:23:03.000 I like letting people know.

01:23:04.000 I want people to know exactly who screwed them.

01:23:06.000 Absolutely.

01:23:06.000 And I'm doing that every single chance that I get in every single state.

01:23:10.000 Like with Nebraska, I pointed out, by the way, here are all the people that are endorsed by the Farm Bureau.

01:23:14.000 Here are all the people that voted against it.

01:23:16.000 Do you see that all the people that voted against it are endorsed by the Farm Bureau?

01:23:18.000 So what you're proposing is simple, that people who buy a tractor are allowed to fix their own tractor.

01:23:24.000 I'm saying that make available the diagnostics, the schematics, and the tools at a fair and reasonable price that you make available to your own dealers or technicians.

01:23:32.000 So if you sell the software package to a dealer for $5,000, let them buy it for $5,000.

01:23:36.000 If you sell this schematic for $500 or this manual for $500, sell it to the independent for $500.

01:23:44.000 Right now, I rely, for my business, on stuff that fell off the back of a truck.

01:23:47.000 It's all, like, the process that I go through to get access to screens and chips, my customers think that I just go to Mouser.com and I just buy everything that I want.

01:23:56.000 They have no idea the Nicolas Cage, Lord of War, supply chain, ridiculous nonsense that happens in the background so that I can get them a computer screen.

01:24:03.000 But there's, yeah, this plays into phones and stuff as well, right?

01:24:07.000 It goes, yeah, it's with almost everything.

01:24:09.000 And you know, one of the things that drives me nuts is when people say, just don't buy Apple and it'll go away.

01:24:12.000 I talk about Apple products because that's what I fix.

01:24:15.000 But show me a smartphone where you can get the schematic from the company.

01:24:18.000 Even Fairphone, who says they support right to repair, will not give you a schematic for any amount of money.

01:24:22.000 What about Freedom?

01:24:22.000 Freedom Phone?

01:24:23.000 Freedom Phone, yeah.

01:24:24.000 Freedom Phone?

01:24:24.000 I don't know if they have a schematic.

01:24:25.000 I think the only thing that would give you, I think... You're not gonna get it because they buy it third party.

01:24:28.000 I haven't double-checked if this is the case, but I think PinePhone will, but if you use it, it is... They're a great company.

01:24:34.000 It's a bit far from the experience that you'll get if you buy, you know, an S10e or an iPhone X or anything like that.

01:24:41.000 They're getting there, but there's no... If you want to have access to things like this, you really have to give up the ability to live in a modern society.

01:24:48.000 You know, you can't get a schematic to your monitor.

01:24:50.000 You can't buy chips to a lot of the things that you want to.

01:24:53.000 Is the challenge, though, like copyright?

01:24:54.000 IP?

01:24:56.000 Yeah, what they'll say is they'll say that it is an intellectual property issue.

01:25:01.000 But here's the actual issue I think it is.

01:25:03.000 I don't think it's an issue of if we release the schematic, somebody else will reproduce our product.

01:25:07.000 Because if you go to venafix.com or, you know, NotebookSquad or any of these places, you could spend $20 and get access to all the schematics you want.

01:25:13.000 Well, not just that.

01:25:14.000 I'm pretty sure every major phone company buys every brand new phone and just opens it and goes, I think here's the issue.

01:25:22.000 They're afraid if the schematics get out that it won't be that users or other companies will copy their technology, but rather it'll show up that they were already copying everybody to begin with.

01:25:31.000 I think that's a part of it.

01:25:32.000 So for instance, let's say you pay a company, and this is my speculation based on what I've heard from people in the industry that I don't want to give their name out, because they were probably doing this.

01:25:42.000 Let's say you ask a company in China, you know, we want a laptop motherboard with these specifications and this chipset and this blah-blah modem and blah-blah-blah.

01:25:51.000 That company that's actually doing everything in Taiwan or Korea or China, are they going to start from scratch to make it just for you?

01:25:56.000 Or are they going to say, well, Dell or Lenovo contracted us to make this Control-C, Control-V, here you go.

01:26:03.000 So there's a lot of technology out there where it probably is a direct copy and paste of somebody else's thing.

01:26:08.000 Especially in China.

01:26:09.000 Yeah, because they're doing it because they don't care.

01:26:11.000 But here, our laws say that we care.

01:26:13.000 So if you keep the schematic and everything private, you can't really see that.

01:26:16.000 Versus if you make it public, then maybe it's a little bit more easy to see that, wait...

01:26:20.000 You copied my Bluetooth circuit, you copied this circuit, or something like that.

01:26:23.000 That's my best case, but you used to be, if you bought a radio, you bought a television, you bought any of this different stuff, you would open it, and there'd be a schematic on the back of it that shows everything's put together, and you could buy manuals to it.

01:26:34.000 I mean, even for computers back in the day, they used to come with schematics and manuals that show you how to fix everything, and the argument that gets used now is security and safety.

01:26:43.000 That we would be less secure and less safe.

01:26:45.000 But were people blowing themselves up fixing their toasters 50 years ago?

01:26:49.000 No.

01:26:49.000 We had a much more freedom-oriented mindset back then.

01:26:51.000 Did you say that OnStar?

01:26:52.000 I felt like I talked over you what you were talking about, but OnStar can track where people are in their cars?

01:26:56.000 And like, you were saying with this propaganda commercial that if a woman's walking to her car in the middle of the night, people from OnStar know that.

01:27:02.000 Yeah, I mean, if I'm going to, like, I'm not going to spend $5,000 for all these different tools.

01:27:06.000 If I want to abuse my wife, I'm not going to do all of this.

01:27:09.000 I'm probably just going to toss an AirTag under the mattress or something.

01:27:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:13.000 Not that I do that.

01:27:13.000 Not only that, I mean, a lot of these, there's a million and one ways to track vehicles.

01:27:18.000 There are so many ways to track people that are easier than hacking into the open data system in your cars.

01:27:23.000 Get on stuff for your car.

01:27:24.000 That's like one of the most complicated ways to track somebody. 0.94

01:27:27.000 No, it's ridiculous. 0.92

01:27:27.000 And again, this is designed to scare you. 0.92

01:27:29.000 And the thing that a lot of people don't get is a lot of people will say, Tesla is anti-repair in many ways.

01:27:33.000 True!

01:27:34.000 However, who funded this?

01:27:35.000 Ford, General Motors, Toyota, Nissan, and Honda.

01:27:40.000 And the reason that all this stuff was scrubbed from the internet right after they lost is because they don't want to have that anti-repair reputation.

01:27:44.000 They don't want to be known as the company that associated being sexually assaulted with having your car repaired.

01:27:51.000 But they should be, because they paid for this.

01:27:52.000 Yeah, Tesla open-sourced all their patents.

01:27:54.000 I don't know, all our patents belong to you, Tesla.com from 2019.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, Elon's a weird guy.

01:28:00.000 He's a funny dude.

01:28:01.000 Also, he does a lot of good stuff, but he's also... He's a very strange man.

01:28:04.000 I love him.

01:28:05.000 Opensourceecology.org.

01:28:07.000 Have you guys ever seen this?

01:28:08.000 I think it's pronounced Marcin Jakubowski is his name.

01:28:11.000 But he's basically created all this farm equipment and he's open sourced all the patents of how to build them, repair them.

01:28:17.000 But you can build them and do them yourself.

01:28:19.000 Very, very cool.

01:28:19.000 You know what's funny?

01:28:20.000 We often make fun of the great reset.

01:28:22.000 You will own nothing and you will be happy.

01:28:24.000 You know, you've heard that, right?

01:28:25.000 I have.

01:28:26.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 What if the you will own nothing is because everything's, like, open source and available for you to create your own, you know what I mean?

01:28:32.000 Molecular printing.

01:28:33.000 Like, well, let's think about that.

01:28:34.000 I guess in that reality, you would own stuff.

01:28:36.000 You'd own what you made.

01:28:37.000 I don't think that was meant as nefarious as they said it when they actually said it.

01:28:39.000 I think the part of it was, you used to have a record collection, now you're gonna be happy with just, you know, you search for a song, like, you just type it in and it automatically starts playing for you, that type of thing.

01:28:49.000 But that's bad.

01:28:50.000 But that coincided- It's really bad.

01:28:52.000 The thing is, that statement and that trend of you just having access to everything immediately at your fingertips, whether it's an Uber for a car or music, just so happens to coincide with a second, separate trend where every single company is doing everything they can to make things unrepairable because there's more money to be made than buying a new one.

01:29:09.000 It is nefarious to say, you used to have record collection, now you have it on your phone.

01:29:13.000 Because they can say, you're a naughty boy, so we've banned you from music forever.

01:29:17.000 You could, you know, used to have record collection? 1.00

01:29:20.000 They could come out and be like, you're a jerk, and nobody likes you, so you can't come to the record store anymore. 0.99

01:29:25.000 And they'd be like, well, I got a big ol' pile of records right here, at least I got those. 1.00

01:29:28.000 Now, Spotify will just be like, eh, we're gonna ban you.

01:29:31.000 Like, I'll tell you this, man, Lee Camp, right?

01:29:33.000 You ever hear of Lee Camp?

01:29:34.000 No.

01:29:35.000 He's like a lefty guy, he worked for RT.

01:29:37.000 He had a podcast, Personal podcast it wasn't through RT, and I got deleted from Spotify because he worked for RT.

01:29:44.000 That's redacted tonight Redacted tonight was was deleted off of YouTube he had another show on Spotify that got purged a different show for being referred for working for our Russian outlet or whatever and But the point is that's a different kind of suspension you could be Yeah.

01:30:01.000 booted off you know itunes and then you have no music and i think he's okay

01:30:04.000 maybe spotify but if they all coordinate like that with alex jones

01:30:07.000 is a really really bad thing for them to be like you alone nothing you'll be

01:30:10.000 happy yeah you're happy until i can that was a black mirror

01:30:14.000 where they blocked someone in real life yeah just a silhouette walking around i think i think that

01:30:18.000 what they meant that statement is that you're going to use more services than on

01:30:21.000 things i would prefer to own things and have services myself that's my

01:30:24.000 preference i think that's that's a separate thing

01:30:26.000 and they can sit and what's happening now which is everything that you buy winds up becoming disposable

01:30:31.000 but it but i i i'm glad that that statement exists and that so many people are aggravated at that statement

01:30:36.000 because it's going to cause people to be more sensitive

01:30:38.000 to when you buy something there's you know there's uh... five dollar chip in your

01:30:42.000 three thousand dollar map of that dies and they tell the company that

01:30:45.000 makes it not to sell it Do you actually own what you buy if you cannot buy any of the components necessary to repair it because the company goes out of their way to stop you from doing so?

01:30:54.000 Like, if I go to Intersil and I try to buy a chip that I could have bought 10 years ago, I'm not allowed to.

01:30:58.000 They'll say, we can only sell to people who are on this approved vendor list.

01:31:01.000 Renaissance Electronics will say, we can only sell on this approved vendor list.

01:31:04.000 Same with Texas Instruments.

01:31:05.000 If that's the case, do you actually own anything?

01:31:07.000 I think it's, uh... Are you leasing it?

01:31:10.000 Are you leasing that tablet until it dies, or do you own it?

01:31:12.000 Technically, you own an unrepairable piece of machinery, I guess.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 Because the life cycles of a lot of this stuff.

01:31:18.000 I mean, you know, a lot of these devices will die within a year or two.

01:31:22.000 That's intentional?

01:31:23.000 This planned obsolescence thing?

01:31:24.000 Are they doing this on purpose?

01:31:25.000 I think some of it is just the way people use things now, but also the fact that... I mean, if you plug a charger into a MacBook and there's something weird with your electrical circuitry in your house or something, it'll just blow a CD3217 chip and it'll be dead.

01:31:37.000 And you didn't do anything wrong.

01:31:38.000 You don't even have to use a knockoff charger for it to happen.

01:31:40.000 This is like a very, very common repair.

01:31:42.000 We get it every single day.

01:31:43.000 Really?

01:31:43.000 Yeah.

01:31:43.000 And there's something that I have to do to get that chip that I can't say on stream.

01:31:47.000 But it's stupid. 0.99

01:31:48.000 That's nefarious. 1.00

01:31:49.000 Not what you're doing, but that's nefarious that you wouldn't be able to talk about it openly.

01:31:52.000 I mean, if it's a proprietary fix, you mean that you do?

01:31:54.000 No, it's not even a proprietary fix.

01:31:55.000 I can't say how we get access to some of these things.

01:31:57.000 Legally?

01:31:58.000 It's not legal.

01:31:59.000 That's incredible. 0.74

01:31:59.000 But it's really, like, it's just dumb that things have to be that way. 0.74

01:32:04.000 And the thing is, people will say, well, you're only advocating for right to repair because it helps your business.

01:32:08.000 It's like, no, it's the opposite.

01:32:09.000 When you have 1 million YouTube subscribers, you can say, you know, oh man, if only I had this chip, I could do this repair and I will get a box with no return address or whatever, with like a spool of chips and say, thank you for the YouTube videos.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 You could say, oh well, someone rid me of this priest and the priest is just gone.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, but the people who started where I did 10 years ago, they can't do that.

01:32:29.000 They're like, when I started 10 years ago, they can't do that.

01:32:32.000 They don't have the ability to say something like that and just have some contact reach out to them that allows them to get access to all the things that I can.

01:32:38.000 Yeah.

01:32:38.000 Like, I'm doing this for the people that started where I did because I want them to have a path to get where I am now.

01:32:43.000 Like, I started doing this when I had $200 in my bank account, $1,000 in credit card debt, and didn't, you know, I just dropped out of college.

01:32:50.000 And I was able to start a store and, you know, get 12 employees, have a decent Quality of life, and I want everybody else to be able to do that.

01:32:57.000 But that path is that bridge that I crossed is slowly burning away behind me.

01:33:01.000 I agree, man.

01:33:02.000 Completely.

01:33:02.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 You know, I want to believe that if you if you just work hard, you dedicate yourself.

01:33:07.000 But I mean, looking at YouTube, they're pulling up the ladder behind us.

01:33:11.000 Everybody.

01:33:11.000 They're making it harder and harder for people to have.

01:33:14.000 People of merit aren't going to be able to make it in.

01:33:17.000 I think, you know, kind of just to do a quick shift, we're going to super chats when it comes to pulling up the ladder behind it.

01:33:21.000 As far as it goes with media.

01:33:23.000 I think when YouTube started, when the internet was prominent, meritocracy was the law of the land.

01:33:28.000 If you made good stuff that people wanted to see, you would do well.

01:33:32.000 And meritocracy doesn't mean good content.

01:33:34.000 People, like, started posting boobies, you know, all over YouTube, and it worked really well for their channels and made them huge.

01:33:39.000 YouTube eventually started getting rid of this and saying, nah, we should just choose who wins and who loses.

01:33:43.000 That way we have control of the situation.

01:33:44.000 So the ladder's been pulled up behind everybody.

01:33:47.000 That's why I recommend people now, like, if you're gonna start a channel, start it on Rumble.

01:33:50.000 Or Mines.

01:33:51.000 Or Mines.

01:33:52.000 Some new network.

01:33:53.000 Yeah, you've got a real chance at meritocracy on a new platform that you want on YouTube.

01:33:56.000 Are people actually using them, though?

01:33:57.000 That's the biggest problem with new platforms.

01:33:59.000 Like, a bunch of people would suggest that I use Library, and I do.

01:33:59.000 Yeah, they are.

01:34:03.000 But when I actually opened up a Library channel, nobody watches it.

01:34:06.000 But Rumble, if, you know...

01:34:10.000 Dan Bongino got more views and has more subscribers on Rumble than he did on YouTube.

01:34:14.000 That's interesting.

01:34:15.000 And that's one of the reasons he's probably an investor in it, because he was driving a lot of that growth for sure.

01:34:19.000 But he's got a nationally syndicated radio show and podcast that helped him build that up.

01:34:24.000 But I'm saying, for you right now, you've got 1.7 million subscribers or whatever.

01:34:29.000 If you were to jump over to Rumble or Mines, you wouldn't have as big of a platform.

01:34:33.000 But if someone right now has nothing, has no followers whatsoever, I'd say Rumble.

01:34:37.000 You know, in addition to what you're saying about the right to repair and access to open source machinery, schematics and things, how do you feel about software code?

01:34:47.000 Like with proprietary networks.

01:34:48.000 For instance, Google, YouTube, something like that.

01:34:51.000 I've never thought of the idea of mandating that everything be open source.

01:34:55.000 I like open source software.

01:34:56.000 I like when people make it available.

01:34:58.000 But if you're going to make a device that requires... Let's give an example.

01:35:02.000 So there was a microwave recently made by Electrolux.

01:35:06.000 And because it was given a software update that didn't work, that microwave now thinks that it's a steam oven.

01:35:11.000 And it doesn't turn on because it thinks it's a steam oven.

01:35:13.000 Now, why you have a microwave that connects to Wi-Fi is beyond me.

01:35:16.000 Why anybody would like... Like, they perfected the microwave over 30... Everything that you could have in a microwave, like 40 years ago, when they put a clock in a microwave, I think that was the last update that you needed.

01:35:25.000 But if something happens like that, even if you don't have access to the source code, should you be able to have access to the ROM?

01:35:31.000 Because you need a service technician to come out to your home to fix that.

01:35:34.000 Why can't you fix it yourself?

01:35:35.000 Because you don't have access to the software.

01:35:36.000 So should that stuff be made available for devices that require it?

01:35:40.000 That's an important question.

01:35:42.000 Well, how about we go to Super Chats?

01:35:44.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show if you really do like it.

01:35:48.000 It's the best way to help.

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01:35:51.000 We're going to have a members-only segment coming up after the show.

01:35:54.000 Let's read some of these Super Chats. 1.00

01:35:56.000 We got Archamagiris Sancti says, here's a Jackson for Lewis and Clinton.

01:36:02.000 Lewis is the man.

01:36:03.000 Sub to his channel.

01:36:04.000 That's my cat.

01:36:05.000 Not the politician.

01:36:06.000 Clinton, Mr. Cat?

01:36:08.000 Named for Bill?

01:36:09.000 Named for Socks.

01:36:10.000 Named for what?

01:36:11.000 That was Bill's cat, Socks.

01:36:12.000 Oh, no, but you named your cat Clinton?

01:36:13.000 Yeah.

01:36:14.000 After Bill Clinton, or what?

01:36:15.000 Well, when I got him, his name was Thunder, but he was sexually harassing all the other cats.

01:36:18.000 Oh, yeah!

01:36:19.000 So they put him in his own room with stuffed animals, and he wouldn't stop humping the animals.

01:36:25.000 So you called him Clinton?

01:36:26.000 I called him Mr. Clinton.

01:36:27.000 All right, then.

01:36:28.000 Perfect.

01:36:28.000 Good name.

01:36:29.000 I love it.

01:36:30.000 All right, BS Production says, Lewis is the G of the right-to-repair world.

01:36:33.000 I got my phone fixed at a small repair shop because of his message.

01:36:36.000 Awesome.

01:36:36.000 Right on, man.

01:36:37.000 Thank you.

01:36:39.000 All right, Chloe Small says, trans women here. 1.00

01:36:42.000 Terrible tweet.

01:36:43.000 Should the Babylon Bee have been suspended for it?

01:36:45.000 No.

01:36:46.000 You think every joke a comedian makes will be hilarious?

01:36:48.000 Same with satire websites.

01:36:49.000 I stand with hate speech.

01:36:51.000 Oh, interesting.

01:36:52.000 The interesting thing about that tweet is that when they say that they're asking them to remove it rather than removing itself, Apple did something similar to me six years ago with one of my videos that had a schematic in it.

01:37:02.000 They didn't file a DMCA claim, and they totally could have because it's copyrighted.

01:37:05.000 And it says literally in the schematic, do not do this.

01:37:07.000 Do not share this.

01:37:08.000 And it's on my video.

01:37:10.000 But I think part of the reason they asked me to remove it is because they didn't want the negative PR from removing it.

01:37:14.000 So I told them, I have no problem removing 100% of my YouTube content.

01:37:17.000 All I ask is you file a DMCA claim so that people don't think that I did it.

01:37:21.000 So if Twitter asks you to remove it, then it doesn't look publicly like Twitter deleted it for you versus you just deleted it yourself.

01:37:28.000 And I think that's why it's important to not delete your own stuff if somebody else wants you to.

01:37:31.000 The crazy thing about it is, if it's against the rules, why would Twitter allow it to stay up?

01:37:38.000 They're saying, this broke the rules.

01:37:40.000 You can't say anything until you get rid of it, but we will leave it up.

01:37:43.000 It's not a popular rule.

01:37:46.000 All of my YouTube videos could be DMCA claimed by Apple in a day, and my channel would be gone.

01:37:50.000 That could have happened six years ago.

01:37:51.000 But the thing is, it's a rule that doesn't have popular support.

01:37:53.000 And if they were to actually enforce that, then a bunch of normal, average, everyday people, that large, moderate middle that we were talking about that don't actually do anything, would rise up and do something.

01:38:03.000 And they don't want that to happen.

01:38:04.000 I think it may, maybe it's the same thing with Twitter.

01:38:06.000 I, you know, again, with the tweet, like, again, I try, I avoid misgendering people because of why.

01:38:10.000 I gain nothing from it, but I wouldn't ban it.

01:38:13.000 There was a story about this, uh, this couple in the UK, I think they were protesting McDonald's and then McDonald's sued them and won.

01:38:20.000 And the stock damage to McDonald's was substantially worse than any of the damage from the, it was like two people were protesting and handing out pamphlets in front of McDonald's.

01:38:28.000 So they sued them one and the PR blowback was massive saying this big corporation went after these like two random people handing out pamphlets.

01:38:35.000 So I forgot what the story was called, but since then there's been like a corporate doctrine never to be a Goliath going up against David because it'll, it'll hurt you more and cost you more money.

01:38:46.000 It looks bad.

01:38:47.000 Even if the rule exists, you shouldn't, if the majority of people would not agree with that rule existing, if it was invoked, then it's best to not invoke it.

01:38:55.000 And just only invoke it when it's not going to get you in too much trouble.

01:38:55.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 Alright, let's read this.

01:38:59.000 Murph says, Ian, I agree with you 100% that text is ruining our culture's communications.

01:39:04.000 Would you put texting in that category as well?

01:39:07.000 Yeah, it's kind of like we used to mail each other letters when we had the post office back in the 1800s, and now then we've invented the telephone, and then we invented video chat, but I see people reverting to mailing letters to each other email, you know, digitally now.

01:39:20.000 It's very disturbing.

01:39:21.000 Yes, I consider text the exact same thing.

01:39:23.000 So go back to video chats with your friends.

01:39:25.000 Well, see, the thing about text messages, though, is that if you send something over text that was misconstrued, you just press call and say, here, I meant this, you know?

01:39:33.000 Now with Twitter, you can tweet something and people just either intentionally or ignorantly don't understand what you were saying.

01:39:42.000 The one thing I learned from YouTube is that there are many ways for other people to interpret what you say, and yet there's so much work that has to go into it that doesn't go into it when I'm speaking to people that I know well.

01:39:50.000 I think it's the internet in general, to be honest.

01:39:52.000 Because we were talking with Andrew Heaton on the show, and he mentioned that other people had talked about, oh, Tim Poole, oh man.

01:39:59.000 I've seen clips of him, and he's like, yeah, but have you watched a show?

01:40:02.000 And they're like, no.

01:40:03.000 So the other day Ian made a comment that I'm not going to repeat because I'm not foolish

01:40:07.000 enough to repeat it, but you were making a hypothetical argument and you said someone

01:40:14.000 might actually say, have the political opinion of, you know, I believe X is good.

01:40:18.000 And then I was like, you shouldn't have said that.

01:40:19.000 Everyone laughed.

01:40:20.000 Because now what's going to happen is someone who hates Ian will take the clip of that and

01:40:24.000 then publish Ian saying something and they'll attribute the quote to him instead of.

01:40:27.000 It feels like it's like we're in a constative culture shock.

01:40:30.000 I remember before the internet, it would be very rare to meet someone that I didn't agree with about anything, or that didn't agree with me, because I was from Cuyahoga Falls, and those were the people I knew.

01:40:38.000 Then, now, I would start to put my oil onto the internet's water, and you just see these reactions.

01:40:43.000 From the first moment, it's never stopped.

01:40:46.000 I've just become more used to it now.

01:40:47.000 But it's still this constant culture shock.

01:40:49.000 Every day, all these new people are responding from God knows where on Earth, what their childlike was like.

01:40:56.000 I'm going to read this because I'm confused by it, but let's read it.

01:40:58.000 Pizza makes my belly hurt.

01:41:00.000 I'm sorry to hear.

01:41:01.000 Says, I seen Christopher Titus this weekend.

01:41:04.000 He was talking about white supremacists named dropped, white supremacists named dropped Kyle Rottenhaus, Tucker Carlson, and Hannity.

01:41:11.000 People groaned and my group and others left.

01:41:14.000 People are waking up.

01:41:14.000 This was in Chicago.

01:41:15.000 Wow.

01:41:16.000 Interesting.

01:41:17.000 I saw, uh, there was someone I knew a long time ago and I looked him up on Facebook and like the last post they have was like ranting about white supremacy and all these issues and I'm like, man, what happened to you?

01:41:28.000 Yeah.

01:41:28.000 That's weird.

01:41:29.000 It was fun to be at work the day that the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict happened because I have a workplace where everybody can discuss it and there's no consequences.

01:41:37.000 That's great.

01:41:38.000 Like there were two people that agreed with it and the rest disagree with it, but they all talked about it and there was no consequence.

01:41:43.000 Nobody got fired.

01:41:44.000 And it was just, I found that day enjoyable.

01:41:46.000 It was crazy how many people cried.

01:41:49.000 One person that thought that he should have gone to prison said it.

01:41:53.000 The people that thought that he did nothing wrong said it.

01:41:57.000 None of them had to worry about losing their jobs.

01:42:00.000 None of them had to worry or care.

01:42:02.000 Admittedly, there was 45 minutes where no work got done that day because they were all talking about it.

01:42:07.000 I know that there's a bunch of companies where that could never happen, and I was proud to have a company culture where that could happen.

01:42:12.000 And nobody, like, hated each other because of it?

01:42:16.000 I believe there is a greater than chance probability that people who thought Kyle Rittenhouse should go to jail just didn't know anything about the case or had limited understanding of what happened.

01:42:25.000 It was surprising how many people thought that he was shooting at black people.

01:42:28.000 Exactly.

01:42:29.000 And then, you know, with this story, it was interesting because I know a bunch of people who personally cried, mostly women, to be honest, like, no disrespect, but a lot of women were, like, crying.

01:42:37.000 and i think people even dudes tweeting like i'm on the verge of tears man

01:42:41.000 my heart rate skyrocketed as the verse but he read because we all knew the case and we all knew that he was

01:42:47.000 innocent and was defending himself

01:42:49.000 and that's how important it was that he was found also shout out to uh...

01:42:53.000 social democratic political you to do that is on the left destiny who actually

01:42:56.000 follow the entire case stuck with the facts regardless of people that were

01:42:59.000 very angry at him and followed facts and logic over it

01:43:02.000 I enjoy his channel for that.

01:43:04.000 He got a Twitch ban for defending.

01:43:06.000 He said Kyle Rittenhouse was the clearest cut case of self-defense he'd ever seen, and so Twitter punished him for it.

01:43:13.000 I'm sorry, Twitch punished him.

01:43:14.000 He tries to avoid following of specific bias as often as possible, and I have a lot of respect for him for doing that.

01:43:19.000 Yeah, we've had him on.

01:43:20.000 It was fun.

01:43:21.000 Yeah, good conversation.

01:43:23.000 Let's read some more Super Chats. 0.91

01:43:23.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:43:25.000 All right.

01:43:27.000 Archimageurius Sancti says, I love old things because they're well-made and I can maintain them.

01:43:31.000 Lewis is fighting for the massive cause of carrying the philosophy forward in the 21st century.

01:43:36.000 And it should be... I think the only people who would oppose that are massive corporations who like planned obsolescence.

01:43:41.000 I think, you know, the new group that's opposing it, it wasn't just them.

01:43:44.000 It was also people that identify with the brand.

01:43:47.000 So a lot of people nowadays, you can't just vote for somebody and say, this was the less crappy option.

01:43:52.000 You have to identify all the way and defend every single thing they do, even when it's bad.

01:43:55.000 Or they buy a product and it's not, I bought this just because it does what I want.

01:43:58.000 It has to be, I love the company, I love the brand, I will defend them all the time.

01:44:02.000 And when they see somebody attack Apple or attack Tesla, they don't think, I'm attacking Tesla because they treated their customer poorly in this instance.

01:44:08.000 They think, I'm attacking Tesla, I'm attacking you personally and your identity because you chose to buy it.

01:44:13.000 So they have this reactionary way of defending the company and becoming simps for them when it makes absolutely no sense.

01:44:18.000 Well, I am outraged at Elon Musk.

01:44:22.000 Where's my Starlink, bro?

01:44:24.000 They said it was gonna be the end of last year and now we're still sitting waiting to get Starlink.

01:44:28.000 Seeing where you are streaming out of, I was very surprised that you could actually stream out of this location when I saw just how far out of the way you have to go to come here.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, we had to get them to actually lay like a mile of line.

01:44:38.000 Very expensive.

01:44:39.000 No, like, when I saw you had the chickens that were, like, walking around outside, I figured they were just carrying the packets.

01:44:43.000 Yeah, that's exactly what's going on.

01:44:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:45.000 They carry them manually?

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:46.000 In order to get internet out here, we have... I mean, look, we're not that far away from D.C., so there is cable.

01:44:53.000 Which is not that fast.

01:44:54.000 Then there's satellite, which is also not that fast, but we've used these as defaults.

01:44:58.000 And then we actually had a company come and lay down fiber.

01:45:01.000 They had to, like, actually dig, and you see those trucks outside, and they're laying it down for, like, a mile plus from, like, the main hub or whatever backhaul.

01:45:08.000 It's very expensive.

01:45:10.000 People knew how expensive it was to make sure, like, this happened, you know, out here.

01:45:13.000 But, uh, it's better than being in the big cities, and it all ends up being really, really worth it.

01:45:18.000 But once we get Starlink, you know, it could theoretically reduce our costs dramatically.

01:45:21.000 I've heard that you want to get multiple Starlink bases, if possible, so that you can have multiple networks.

01:45:26.000 Because one network won't be enough.

01:45:29.000 Jeremy, the quartering, was going through this right now.

01:45:31.000 He actually just got Starlink set up.

01:45:33.000 He's in the process of getting it set up, yeah.

01:45:33.000 Really?

01:45:35.000 Elon!

01:45:36.000 That's not fair!

01:45:36.000 Elon?

01:45:37.000 I tweeted at you.

01:45:38.000 He didn't tweet back. 0.98

01:45:40.000 We can't tweet back, darn it! 0.86

01:45:41.000 I'm a big fan of Bitcoin myself. 0.92

01:45:42.000 Who wants a 20-sided?

01:45:43.000 Did you roll a 20?

01:45:43.000 No, I rolled a 6.

01:45:44.000 Bitcoin equals love and peace.

01:45:45.000 Quit the dollar and starve the war machine.

01:45:47.000 Roll a 20.

01:45:48.000 I'm a big fan of Bitcoin myself.

01:45:50.000 Who wants a 20 sided?

01:45:52.000 Did you roll a 20?

01:45:53.000 No, I rolled a 6.

01:45:54.000 Oh! 0.60

01:45:55.000 It's the devil's number.

01:45:56.000 All right.

01:45:57.000 Let's grab some...

01:45:58.000 It's powerful.

01:46:00.000 Oh, this is funny.

01:46:00.000 Seriously, JK says, new world order is trending on Twitter and the posts and comments are pure gold.

01:46:05.000 Yeah.

01:46:05.000 Cause Biden said.

01:46:06.000 Yeah.

01:46:06.000 What the heck was that?

01:46:07.000 Did you see what he said?

01:46:07.000 Yeah.

01:46:08.000 Joe Biden was like, you know, he's like, we created a liberal, a liberal world order or something.

01:46:13.000 And soon we're going to have a new world order.

01:46:15.000 And it was like, he's like every three or four generations, you know?

01:46:18.000 And it was like, I think he said, I can't remember exactly what he said, but didn't he say something like after world war II, we created a liberal economic order.

01:46:24.000 And then, you know, soon we're going to have a new world order.

01:46:26.000 Oh, he laid it all out.

01:46:29.000 You have to be very careful when you're a president and you speak in vague terms because you never know how people are going to take what you say.

01:46:40.000 I'm not threatened by his statement.

01:46:42.000 I'm not surprised or anything.

01:46:44.000 Just tell me more.

01:46:45.000 My first reaction rather than jump to something would be, tell me more.

01:46:49.000 I was, I was deeply offended when he had the nerve to say trunananashabatapressure.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, shocking.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, me too.

01:46:55.000 Do you remember what he said?

01:46:57.000 He said trunananashabatapressure.

01:46:59.000 Huh?

01:47:00.000 That's what he said.

01:47:01.000 Profound, I know.

01:47:02.000 He said trunananashabatapressure.

01:47:03.000 I think he was trying to say true international cooperation.

01:47:06.000 Cooperation under pressure.

01:47:08.000 And it just all got merged into one sound.

01:47:10.000 Trunananashabatapressure!

01:47:12.000 And also it didn't follow through with that as you can see in Ukraine.

01:47:15.000 Biden, Truin, oh there it is.

01:47:17.000 Truin is not a shot without pressure.

01:47:21.000 Let's see, here we go.

01:47:22.000 Is it going to play?

01:47:23.000 I'll be worse when I'm 78.

01:47:24.000 I'll need an effective strategy to mobilize.

01:47:27.000 Truan and Inanash have a depression.

01:47:28.000 I'll need an effective strategy to mobilize.

01:47:31.000 Truan and Inanash have a depression.

01:47:33.000 I'll need an effective strategy to mobilize.

01:47:35.000 Truan and Inanash have a depression.

01:47:37.000 Truan and Inanash. 1.00

01:47:37.000 That guy should die. 1.00

01:47:38.000 I think there's an extra Ina that I'm missing. 1.00

01:47:40.000 Truan and Inanash.

01:47:40.000 Truan and Inanash have a depression.

01:47:41.000 50 years from now, I'm probably going to sound worse.

01:47:43.000 No, no.

01:47:44.000 He also said Batacaf care.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, batacath care.

01:47:47.000 Keep meditating.

01:47:48.000 What?

01:47:48.000 Was it cath or calf?

01:47:49.000 Calf.

01:47:50.000 With an F, I think.

01:47:51.000 Batacath care.

01:47:51.000 Yeah, batacath care.

01:47:52.000 I have no idea what he was trying to say there.

01:47:54.000 Better health care?

01:47:56.000 Oh yeah, better health care.

01:47:57.000 It's a portmanteau word.

01:47:58.000 It's okay.

01:47:59.000 It's a portmanteau word.

01:48:00.000 You're allowed.

01:48:00.000 Well, I was deeply offended.

01:48:02.000 That was a slur.

01:48:03.000 Oh yeah?

01:48:04.000 That's, yeah, to podcasters, to beanie-wearing podcasters, that's, you know, that's a slur.

01:48:09.000 Yeah, it's like our, yeah.

01:48:11.000 It's like Cuomo.

01:48:12.000 It's Cuomo.

01:48:13.000 Alright.

01:48:14.000 Let's read some more.

01:48:16.000 I don't think you do.

01:48:17.000 I think the definition's gonna have to be updated at some point.

01:48:18.000 That's a good point.

01:48:19.000 a thing if you aren't allowed to do what you want with it within reason?

01:48:22.000 I don't think you do. I think the definition is gonna have to be updated at some point.

01:48:25.000 If... That's a good point.

01:48:27.000 What is that water? It's metal? Do you own it?

01:48:31.000 I think I do.

01:48:33.000 But what if I said you can't open it and pour the water on the ground?

01:48:36.000 Is that not within reason?

01:48:38.000 I don't think you own it.

01:48:39.000 Literally, I mean it's saying it's not within reason.

01:48:41.000 I don't think that's within reason.

01:48:42.000 Right. It would be unreasonable to do.

01:48:44.000 You have a lot of electronics here.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, that would be cool.

01:48:46.000 That's the perspective that when I speak to more right-wing people about it who tend to

01:48:51.000 be against any sort of legislation whatsoever because that would be government doing something.

01:48:54.000 thing is I mean...

01:48:55.000 What is the government's job?

01:48:57.000 What was it there for?

01:48:58.000 One of the ideas was to protect property rights.

01:49:00.000 And if you don't have property rights, if you can't... Like one instance, one example.

01:49:04.000 If you import something that's counterfeit, you're not allowed to do that.

01:49:08.000 Fine.

01:49:09.000 But if somebody takes apart an iPhone in China, and all the parts have Apple logos, and they bought it at an Apple store in China, and then it gets shipped to Florida.

01:49:14.000 it goes to a certain customs or

01:49:17.000 if it goes to a certain customs port just be anything with an apple logo just gets tossed out so

01:49:20.000 you could literally have an iphone that somebody bought in china

01:49:23.000 they sent all the individual parts and flex cables over and that could get confiscated that that's a way of keeping

01:49:28.000 you from fixing your stuff so i mean one of the government's jobs even from

01:49:32.000 a small government conservative perspective is it's there to

01:49:34.000 protect property rights and part of your ability to protect property rights is to

01:49:37.000 protect your ability to fix things I don't think that any of the laws that... One of the things I liked about Andrew Yang's campaign is he said that every time we come up with a new piece of legislation, we are going to write down, here's why we're doing this, here's the problem we're looking to solve, so you know the interpretation of it.

01:49:50.000 And I think, I strongly believe, when they came up with all the laws that we have now regarding customs, intellectual property, copyright, patents, None of that was intended to keep you from being able to fix what you own.

01:50:00.000 And I think that if they did know that it was ever going to be used that way 50 or 90 or 200 years later, that there would have been something written in there to ensure that you have the ability to fix what you own.

01:50:10.000 Even John Deere, they were advertising in the 30s and 40s and 50s in their own literature, this is how easy it is to fix our product.

01:50:15.000 That was the primary advertising point of a lot of their own You ever hear the story about public drinking in New York?

01:50:22.000 When they first passed the bill, the idea was that they wanted to stop drunkards from milling about and causing problems.

01:50:29.000 And so there's a quote, and it could be apocryphal, but this politician said, or a judge was like, never let it be misconstrued that this bill would bar a construction worker from enjoying a beer with his lunch.

01:50:40.000 And quite literally, that's what it does.

01:50:42.000 If you were in New York City and you have an open drink, they're going to give you a ticket for it.

01:50:46.000 Especially depending on where you are.

01:50:47.000 I guess if you're like drinking wine in Central Park.

01:50:50.000 You can get away with it.

01:50:51.000 It generates more revenue to make the ticket than it does to not generate the ticket.

01:50:54.000 Exactly.

01:50:56.000 So they found, ultimately they were like, we'll make money enforcing the law.

01:50:59.000 New York really likes revenue.

01:51:02.000 They sure do!

01:51:02.000 I've learned that lesson the hard way.

01:51:05.000 Alright, let's get some more.

01:51:06.000 What do we have here?

01:51:09.000 Jess Bischoff says, my name is Patrick Gibson.

01:51:12.000 I thought your name was Jess Bischoff.

01:51:13.000 I beat Mike Phelps three times until we were 13.

01:51:17.000 Do you have any clue of the world records I would have if I competed against biological females?

01:51:21.000 It's so wrong.

01:51:22.000 I've known Mike Phelps since we were both five years old.

01:51:25.000 If he chose to do this, it would be awful.

01:51:28.000 But it says Jess Bischoff.

01:51:29.000 Is Pat Gibson just using Jess's account?

01:51:31.000 I don't know.

01:51:32.000 Is that a pen name?

01:51:33.000 That's Michael Phelps the swimmer, by the way.

01:51:35.000 Mary M says Twitter just suspended that second-placed woman swimmer due to her tweet about Leah.

01:51:40.000 Happy?

01:51:41.000 Actually, Rekha was not second, she was 17th, and that Twitter account was reportedly not really her, and that's why it was suspended.

01:51:48.000 Additionally, I will state this again for those that may have missed the earlier segment.

01:51:53.000 The woman who came in 16th place, who's in the finals, did not complain. 0.97

01:51:58.000 The woman who came in 18th place, who would not have placed in finals with or without Leah, did not complain.

01:52:03.000 It's the one woman who did compete, only after losing, and missing it by one position say, that person shouldn't be in this race. 1.00

01:52:09.000 I'm getting the feeling that people encouraged her to complain.

01:52:12.000 It just feels like that, I don't know why.

01:52:14.000 I encourage all of them to complain if they're genuinely unhappy about it, but they don't care.

01:52:18.000 Look, don't wait until after you lose to complain.

01:52:21.000 It's the same thing how the Republicans started arguing about the election stuff after the election.

01:52:25.000 That's not true.

01:52:25.000 Secure it beforehand if you're going to do something.

01:52:27.000 That's not true.

01:52:28.000 The lawsuits were being filed before.

01:52:29.000 They had years before.

01:52:30.000 I mean, they did it in the months leading up, but they had years to prep for that kind of thing.

01:52:34.000 Well, and truth be told, the Republicans actually passed a bunch of the laws that they end up getting mad about in the end.

01:52:39.000 Whoops.

01:52:40.000 All right.

01:52:41.000 Chaos Aeternum says, Freedom Trucker here.

01:52:44.000 The only coverage we get is from ish spreaders. 0.99

01:52:46.000 The propaganda's unreal.

01:52:48.000 They don't want us in their backyard, I think.

01:52:50.000 Hehe.

01:52:51.000 Yeah, the truckers have been going around the D.C.

01:52:53.000 area for some time now, right?

01:52:54.000 Yeah, they have.

01:52:54.000 Yeah.

01:52:55.000 Right on.

01:52:57.000 Oh, this is good news.

01:52:58.000 RB says, congratulations to Indiana for becoming the 24th constitutional carry state.

01:53:02.000 Whoa, that's two states in three weeks?

01:53:04.000 Ohio and then Indiana?

01:53:05.000 Yeah, 24th!

01:53:08.000 Just think, once we have nationwide constitutional carry, you can, like, cross state lines with a weapon.

01:53:13.000 It's awesome.

01:53:14.000 Yeah, not right now though.

01:53:15.000 What do you think about constitutional carry?

01:53:17.000 I support the Second Amendment.

01:53:18.000 I'm fine with it.

01:53:19.000 It's just in my state, the old state, they only allow it for criminals.

01:53:23.000 I really have never had a problem with people having a gun.

01:53:27.000 I think people should have guns.

01:53:28.000 I don't know how that would work in New York because you'd be introducing it.

01:53:32.000 Everybody in New York City is vibrating with some sort of anxiety or aggravation and it's only when I come down from New Hampshire to visit the store and walk around a bit that I realize the difference.

01:53:42.000 How would reintroducing guns to 8.5 million people in this tiny little space the size of Knoxville, Tennessee be like?

01:53:49.000 Compared to areas where they're already accustomed to the culture.

01:53:51.000 You know, in Texas they're accustomed to it.

01:53:52.000 In Tennessee they're accustomed to it.

01:53:54.000 New Hampshire, Florida they are.

01:53:56.000 New York, that would be interesting.

01:53:57.000 I'm not sure how that would go.

01:53:58.000 I think there's a problem with The more dense a population area becomes, the more rights get stripped away because everyone's anxious and on edge and kind of pointing a finger.

01:54:09.000 It's weird.

01:54:09.000 In Florida, you know, they respect the Second Amendment, and I love traveling to Florida.

01:54:12.000 In New Hampshire, they have a very high ownership of machine gun owners per capita, and I have no problem going to New Hampshire.

01:54:17.000 I'm not threatened by it at all.

01:54:19.000 If you said that everybody in New York City could have a gun tomorrow, I don't know if I'd want to be there.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:24.000 I don't know if I want to be there for the culture shock period.

01:54:28.000 Yeah, I think the issue is that people are extremely tightly wound in places like this.

01:54:32.000 Yes.

01:54:32.000 Not to mention there's a lot of arrogance.

01:54:36.000 A lot of arrogance in a place like New York.

01:54:37.000 So you'd have a lot of people thinking, like, oh, I know what I'm doing.

01:54:40.000 I don't need to take a class or get training or any safety or anything like that.

01:54:42.000 And then they'd, you know, you'd have problems.

01:54:45.000 But, you know, my ultimately my position is Second Amendment exists.

01:54:48.000 If you want to change it, you better amend the Constitution.

01:54:50.000 If you can't, people can have their guns.

01:54:52.000 Although, we had a conversation with even Luke.

01:54:55.000 You know, Luke said this.

01:54:56.000 We were talking about owning guns in, like, a building.

01:54:59.000 And I was saying, like, someone brought this up.

01:55:01.000 Like, what if you had a .308 rifle in, like, an apartment in New York City, and someone broke in, and you fired at them, and it went through?

01:55:07.000 Luke said, and this is Luke Rutkowski, if we are changed.

01:55:09.000 I want to make sure everybody knows this is Luke.

01:55:11.000 He was like, maybe we don't allow those kind of bullets.

01:55:12.000 And I was like, aha!

01:55:13.000 Oh, snap! 1.00

01:55:14.000 Aha! 0.94

01:55:14.000 That's not real Second Amendment, then. 0.94

01:55:16.000 Well, he was like, well, okay, no, I think he admitted he was wrong.

01:55:19.000 A bullet that was not going to go through the wall of a crappy New York City apartment is probably going to be a Nerf dart.

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:25.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:55:26.000 Like your paintball gun like penetrates four walls and you're like, wow.

01:55:29.000 Can't even have a beanie gun.

01:55:30.000 There's no paint.

01:55:31.000 Yeah.

01:55:31.000 It gets like lodged in the fourth, you know, drywall.

01:55:35.000 All right.

01:55:36.000 Keejay says, if I'm pronouncing it right, Ian is right.

01:55:39.000 I see all human interaction as manipulation.

01:55:41.000 Everything someone does has an impact in their world regardless of size.

01:55:45.000 The question is where does one end and will another begin?

01:55:51.000 And when are you aware that you are manipulating other people?

01:55:53.000 You gotta be able to keep aware.

01:55:55.000 Well, I'll tell you.

01:55:56.000 Here's my issue.

01:55:57.000 If you are aware that what you do is manipulating someone, you're considered wrong.

01:56:01.000 It's considered bad.

01:56:03.000 If you're accidentally doing... So I'll put it this way.

01:56:06.000 Let's say you're a guy... I thought about this when I used to work for non-profits.

01:56:09.000 There were people who naturally had the gift of gab and could get people to sign up for non-profits like that.

01:56:16.000 They didn't need to be trained or learn any practice.

01:56:18.000 They'd just walk up to someone, say all the right things, and they would nail it.

01:56:22.000 There were other people who were like, I need to figure out how they're doing that.

01:56:26.000 And they would map it out and then go through a strategy of manipulating someone into doing it.

01:56:33.000 Mapping it out was considered wrong because you're manipulating them, but just naturally being good at it is considered fine.

01:56:38.000 And I'm like, I don't know, I think they're both fine, I guess.

01:56:40.000 If you know how to communicate to someone to get them to do something, whether you learned it or not, it's fine.

01:56:44.000 Yeah, if you have good intentions, and if you're not trying to harm them, you want to help them.

01:56:47.000 I mean, the problem is, if you want to help someone, you turn them in the wrong direction.

01:56:51.000 So you've got to be careful.

01:56:52.000 But just be aware that everything you say to a person is manipulating them, their thoughts, everything.

01:56:58.000 I really like the, uh, you do you and I'll do me, because when you end up screwing up, I don't want to be responsible for it.

01:57:04.000 That's like, you know, a big key part of, like, my libertarian ethos.

01:57:07.000 It's like, if I don't assert authority over you to do something, and then you get hurt, like, that was your choice and your fault, and I am not responsible for your decisions.

01:57:16.000 Now, there's certain circumstances where I have to assert authority over someone, they have to do this, and then I'm responsible for it, and boy, do I not like that.

01:57:24.000 Yeah, welcome to fatherhood.

01:57:26.000 Welcome to running a business.

01:57:27.000 Yeah, that too.

01:57:28.000 You have an employee who does something and then it's like, it's your company.

01:57:30.000 And it's like, yeah.

01:57:33.000 All right.

01:57:35.000 All right.

01:57:35.000 Howard says, yep.

01:57:37.000 Bye bye.

01:57:38.000 As the petrodollar goes, BTC love.

01:57:41.000 As it goes, BTC equals love.

01:57:43.000 Peace if you want ripple.

01:57:45.000 Centralized ledger.

01:57:46.000 I don't know what that means.

01:57:47.000 Do you get into crypto, Lewis?

01:57:49.000 No, so much of it just seems like a consensual Ponzi scheme to me.

01:57:53.000 Like the US dollar?

01:57:54.000 Kind of.

01:57:55.000 But that's the power of Bitcoin is that it's decentralized and there's no federal Bitcoin reserve.

01:57:59.000 So as much as the dollar is a Ponzi scheme where they just keep printing more money and propping the system up, Bitcoin is kind of inverted.

01:58:09.000 There's no centralized control and it's, you know, there's only a finite amount that can exist.

01:58:13.000 So then entropy would actually remove coins over a long period of time.

01:58:16.000 Generally increasing their value so long as people use them for trade.

01:58:18.000 So I'm a big fan.

01:58:20.000 I like the utility tokens that actually do things.

01:58:23.000 I understand people that want to own land, houses, or let's say companies that do something.

01:58:28.000 It's hard for me to understand people wanting to go from fiat currency to Bitcoin.

01:58:32.000 Because I understand owning something that produces something or owning something that has a fundamental intrinsic value like you can live in this, this company produces oil, this company produces food, this land produces something.

01:58:42.000 What if you only have like 500 bucks?

01:58:44.000 What can you invest in?

01:58:45.000 A hard asset to help protect you from inflation?

01:58:47.000 I'm the wrong person to ask.

01:58:48.000 Bitcoin.

01:58:49.000 I'm not telling anybody to go do it, but gold, silver, bitcoin are hedges.

01:58:54.000 I look at the price of silver and gold and I don't see them tracking very well.

01:58:57.000 So I think they are still decent to have because you want alternatives, but bitcoin has been remarkable for people trying to store and protect their value.

01:59:05.000 If you invested in Bitcoin right at the start of the pandemic, Bitcoin was around $4,500-$5,000.

01:59:09.000 You did well.

01:59:10.000 If you invested once and everybody FOMOed in when it was $60K, then you're like...

01:59:14.000 It's at 40 right now.

01:59:15.000 Yeah.

01:59:16.000 So if you, if you bought it at the start of the pandemic.

01:59:18.000 Then you're very, you're doing very well.

01:59:19.000 And, and it was a lot of people who saw like, Hey, right now there's a crisis.

01:59:19.000 Yes.

01:59:23.000 They're going to print money.

01:59:24.000 It's going to be a disaster.

01:59:25.000 Currencies are gonna go wild.

01:59:26.000 You need to put something somewhere.

01:59:27.000 The thing about Bitcoin is the average person, what can they buy as a hard asset with only maybe 50 bucks or a hundred bucks?

01:59:34.000 Nothing. 0.98

01:59:34.000 You're screwed. 0.98

01:59:35.000 Bitcoin. 0.99

01:59:36.000 You can buy Bitcoin.

01:59:37.000 But is that a hard asset?

01:59:38.000 Yes.

01:59:39.000 Well, I mean, you can call it liquid, but Bitcoin is an asset where you get value out of the dollar and then Bitcoin is only going to go up.

01:59:46.000 Granted, Bitcoin fluctuates.

01:59:47.000 I think it's just based on speculation.

01:59:49.000 Bitcoin going up.

01:59:50.000 It's weird because I agree with much of what Peter Schiff says philosophically, even though he's been 110% wrong on price every single time.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, but when it comes to price, it's just his mutual funds almost perform as badly as his take on Bitcoin has when it comes to price.

02:00:04.000 But from a philosophical perspective or, you know, what is this based on?

02:00:08.000 I agree with him.

02:00:08.000 You don't know why Bitcoin's price goes up?

02:00:10.000 It's predictable.

02:00:11.000 So there's things called halvenings, where, I'm probably going to butcher this, but the general idea is the amount of Bitcoin you get as a reward for mining a block gets cut in half, or something to that effect.

02:00:22.000 And so that means if you're spending X amount of dollars in electricity to mine a Bitcoin, and then the Bitcoins all get halved by reward, now it's basically saying it's twice as much electricity to generate one Bitcoin, so it's going to force the price to go up.

02:00:34.000 The last happening was May 11th, 2020, right after the pandemic.

02:00:36.000 And it's all it's all entirely predictable because it's predictable.

02:00:40.000 You need only confidence in it.

02:00:41.000 And because there is substantial confidence in institutional investment, people are basically like Bitcoin

02:00:46.000 can only go.

02:00:47.000 Well, last happening was May 11th, 2020, right after the pandemic.

02:00:50.000 I wonder if that's part of why it goes up.

02:00:52.000 So miners are generating all this Bitcoin and they're spending electricity to make it.

02:00:57.000 They're spending money on electricity to get it.

02:00:59.000 They like to use renewables because it's cheaper for you in the long run.

02:01:03.000 But then you hold the Bitcoin and then what happens is there's like a halvening.

02:01:07.000 Then there's a big sell-off from all the miners which causes a price fluctuation and then like a spike happens because now the amount of energy to produce Bitcoin is going up and there's supply and demand.

02:01:14.000 I didn't know that.

02:01:15.000 I learned something.

02:01:16.000 Well, I'm probably butchering it.

02:01:17.000 I should read up on that because then I'd learn something.

02:01:20.000 But much of the price increases are rather predictable because of the code.

02:01:26.000 You can see it's open source.

02:01:27.000 But again, ask somebody who probably knows way more.

02:01:32.000 Generally speaking though, my view of it is, you know, what was it?

02:01:35.000 November of 2019, we had Bill here and he was like, buy Ethereum.

02:01:39.000 And I was like, okay, so I bought a bunch of Bitcoin and a bunch of Ethereum and then took off.

02:01:44.000 The pandemic happened and I have never, In 10 years regretted buying Bitcoin.

02:01:51.000 I have regretted every single time I sold it.

02:01:54.000 So yeah, you know, but right now my investment in Bitcoin is substantial, like not like I have a lot of Bitcoin, but that I invested a little bit like like eight years ago.

02:02:05.000 And now I just like I have no reason to sell it because like it's just.

02:02:08.000 Even if it went if it went down 80 percent, you're still ahead.

02:02:11.000 Yeah, like I bought in like a grand.

02:02:13.000 So you're ahead regardless.

02:02:14.000 I like I'm like not worried about it.

02:02:16.000 I like how you said that utility is key like with a with a phone if you're gonna invest in something you want utility out of it like a house something you can utilize that some cryptos have a they're called utility tokens and actually do something like if you go to mines.com you spend one mines token you can get 1000 views.

02:02:30.000 So it's like it's like advertising.

02:02:32.000 So there's a utility in the token.

02:02:33.000 It's not just a not just a piece of paper, you know.

02:02:37.000 So I really think that the future of utility in crypto is going to be like smart contracts and being able to like cut out the middleman.

02:02:43.000 That's the guy who's like getting the paycheck and then making sure the button gets flipped.

02:02:46.000 It's just going to the paycheck is going to make the button flip for you.

02:02:50.000 And those cryptos are going to become very valuable chain link, things like that.

02:02:53.000 Let's read one more here.

02:02:55.000 Ugh, I used to love Taco Bell.

02:03:03.000 And I don't mean it like it was good for me to love it.

02:03:05.000 It's delicious sometimes.

02:03:07.000 It would be hilarious if there was a YouTube show of Ian reviewing fast food.

02:03:11.000 But that would mean Ian eating fast food every day.

02:03:14.000 What's that guy, the machinist?

02:03:16.000 Didn't he lose all that weight for the machinist?

02:03:18.000 Christian Bale. 0.96

02:03:19.000 Yeah, that was so gross.

02:03:20.000 But there's already that food review guy.

02:03:23.000 What's his name?

02:03:24.000 Review Bro?

02:03:25.000 The one, is that meme where he's like, my, my, my, what does he say?

02:03:30.000 I don't know.

02:03:31.000 Something like my dissatisfaction as a man.

02:03:32.000 Oh yeah!

02:03:33.000 What is that one?

02:03:33.000 And my day is ruined.

02:03:34.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 Epic Meal Time.

02:03:36.000 My disappointment.

02:03:37.000 Epic Meal Time.

02:03:38.000 They did it and they took unhealthy food and would gorge.

02:03:40.000 And man, that show burned out.

02:03:42.000 I don't know if I could do that for very long.

02:03:43.000 It's just so gross.

02:03:44.000 It's like putting plastic in your stomach.

02:03:46.000 Yeah, I don't know about that.

02:03:47.000 All right, everybody, smash that like button if you have not subscribed to this channel.

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02:03:51.000 We're going to go over to TimCast.com to record that members only segment, which should be up around 11 p.m.

02:03:56.000 So you don't want to miss it.

02:03:57.000 Those are always fun and unfamily friendly.

02:03:59.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL everywhere except TikTok, who banned us.

02:04:03.000 And you can follow me at TimCast.

02:04:05.000 Lewis, you want to shout out anything?

02:04:07.000 I don't have anything in mind.

02:04:08.000 Social media?

02:04:09.000 You got a Twitter or a YouTube?

02:04:11.000 I have a YouTube channel, Rossman Group, and that's about it.

02:04:14.000 Right on.

02:04:14.000 Nice.

02:04:14.000 Okay.

02:04:15.000 Help people fix things and get people involved.

02:04:17.000 That's how you get, that's how you change the world.

02:04:19.000 What's the best way for people to get involved?

02:04:21.000 Uh, if they know how to fix something and they know somebody that needs something fixed, uh, get them involved and get them to see how they can save money and get them to have that little kick of dope me when something works again.

02:04:29.000 Like, you know, it's not about watching my YouTube videos or giving money to my nonprofit.

02:04:32.000 It's about getting as many people as humanly possible to feel that kick of dope me when something works again and when they save some money.

02:04:37.000 Cause then they'll naturally support it.

02:04:39.000 And then they, they'll see through slander from companies, from politicians, from lobbyists and anybody else.

02:04:44.000 Hey, alright.

02:04:45.000 Well, hey, I'm Ian Crossland.

02:04:46.000 Check me out at iancrossland.net.

02:04:47.000 I'll see you guys later.

02:04:49.000 And the quote from that review show is, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

02:04:54.000 So if you want to see Ian review stuff now, I'm just kidding.

02:04:57.000 We're not going to make Ian review fast food.

02:04:58.000 Although that would be hilarious.

02:04:59.000 If you've never seen the dude actually say it, it's one of the best videos ever.

02:05:03.000 I need to watch that.

02:05:04.000 Because it's like deadpan.

02:05:05.000 He's just like, he's not very enthused or like excitable.

02:05:08.000 He's just totally flat.

02:05:10.000 I love it.

02:05:10.000 I had to look it up.

02:05:11.000 Cause I was really curious what the full quote was.

02:05:13.000 Anyway, you guys can follow me on Twitter and minds.com at Sour Patch Lits.

02:05:16.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about an hour.

02:05:19.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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