Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - BLM Begins New "Hands Up Dont Shoot" Narrative As MORE Unrest Erupts w-Andrew Branca

00:00:00.000 State of emergency is still in effect in Elizabeth City as protocols for the city's reopening are still in effect.

00:00:07.000 The city is still in a state of emergency.

00:00:27.000 emergency is still in effect in Elizabeth city as protests continue.

00:00:31.000 They haven't been too rowdy like we've seen in Portland or in other cities, but there is now what appears to be an escalation of the rhetoric from Black Lives Matter.

00:00:40.000 Their famous lawyer is on the scene saying that this man was shot in the back of the head, that he was executed.

00:00:46.000 And here we go.

00:00:47.000 This might be another Hands Up, Don't Shoot.

00:00:49.000 For those that aren't familiar, that was the big narrative around Ferguson, which, as many of you probably know, I was on the ground for these riots.

00:00:55.000 And sure enough, it turned out Hands Up, Don't Shoot was not true.

00:00:59.000 It was rhetoric, it was activism, it was propaganda.

00:01:02.000 And we got the same lawyer now showing up in Elizabeth City.

00:01:05.000 We also have another story coming out of Virginia, so it seems likely that we're going to get another summer of Peaceful protests, which will leave a wake of death, destruction and chaos as it goes.

00:01:15.000 But hey, you know, the media likes to play things.

00:01:17.000 So we're going to talk about these stories.

00:01:18.000 We've got other stories in similar areas.

00:01:20.000 We've got this new law in Florida pertaining to censorship, which is massive.

00:01:25.000 This bill passed the Florida Senate.

00:01:28.000 It might end Wikipedia, period, because it would stop social media companies from banning news outlets based on their content.

00:01:36.000 So no more fact-checking, no more Facebook fact-checkers, no more suppressing news outlets, no more Wikipedia saying this certain outlet is not reliable and this one is.

00:01:44.000 So it'll be interesting.

00:01:45.000 Joining us today is lawyer, legal analyst, Andrew Branca.

00:01:48.000 You're a use-of-force expert.

00:01:49.000 Would you like to introduce yourself?

00:01:50.000 Indeed I am, yes.

00:01:51.000 Attorney Andrew Branca, use-of-force expert.

00:01:55.000 You want to just angle the mic a little bit down so we can... Oh, sorry about that.

00:01:57.000 And then just make sure you're talking into it.

00:01:59.000 All right.

00:02:00.000 All right.

00:02:01.000 But you wrote a lot about the Chauvin trial.

00:02:04.000 Yes, I cover most of these high-profile cases.

00:02:06.000 I covered every minute of the Chauvin trial, literally watched all the jury selection, all the court proceedings, covered the entire thing.

00:02:13.000 Is it fair to say you know everything there is about the Michael Brown case, the Tamir Rice case, Trayvon Martin?

00:02:18.000 That would be fair to say.

00:02:20.000 I know as much as anybody else who might have ever looked at those cases for sure.

00:02:24.000 But you're an expert, I guess, right?

00:02:26.000 You looked at all these cases.

00:02:26.000 Absolutely.

00:02:27.000 It's going to be interesting because we've got this story now.

00:02:29.000 The FBI is opening up a civil rights investigation.

00:02:31.000 The narrative has begun.

00:02:33.000 And these things aren't going to be stopping anytime soon.

00:02:34.000 So we'll get into all that with you.

00:02:36.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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00:02:39.000 Good to be here.

00:02:40.000 Thank you.

00:02:40.000 Yes, and me in the corner pushing buttons, changing the cameras.

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00:04:45.000 We have a bunch of amazing segments from our guests.

00:04:47.000 We will have a bonus segment tonight, and we're gonna be talking about a lot of things relevant to the Black Lives Matter riots, these cases, so you'll definitely want to check this one out.

00:04:55.000 Let's jump into this first story, and we'll just get right into what's happening with this latest development.

00:05:00.000 CNBC reports, FBI opens civil rights probe into killing of Andrew Brown Jr.

00:05:05.000 in North Carolina.

00:05:07.000 The FBI confirmed Tuesday that it will investigate the killing of Andrew Brown Jr., a black man who died after police shot him during an arrest in North Carolina last week.

00:05:15.000 The announcement comes a day after attorneys for Brown's family, allowed to watch a 20-second video of his arrest, said the 42-year-old was shot in the back of the head while he had his hands on his steering wheel.

00:05:26.000 Brown was killed Wednesday, one day after a jury found Derek Chauvin guilty of the murder of George Floyd, whose death in custody reinvigorated the movement opposing police brutality against black people.

00:05:36.000 We're also seeing The famous lawyer, civil rights attorney Ben Crump, he said, if they thought Andrew Brown Jr.

00:05:43.000 did something inappropriately and criminal, you all would have seen the video by now.

00:05:48.000 There was no need for them to be judged, jury, and executioner.

00:05:51.000 Well, let's talk about what's been going on because, I mean, he's got a point, right?

00:05:54.000 Cops shouldn't be judged, jury, and executioner.

00:05:56.000 Well, of course they're not.

00:05:58.000 All these cops are subject to judicial review, departmental review.

00:06:02.000 The truth always comes out in these cases.

00:06:05.000 No one's hiding the body camera footage.

00:06:07.000 Sometimes there's a procedure that needs to be followed under state law for camera footage to be released.

00:06:12.000 To my understanding, the department is moving through that procedure with the court, the local court, to get that body camera footage released.

00:06:20.000 But Benjamin Crump has a long history of less than comprehensively sharing information about these cases in a way to shade it in a way that's favorable to him.

00:06:30.000 And what's favorable to him is to get a very large, typically multi-million dollar settlement out of the city as quickly as possible.

00:06:37.000 That involves developing a propaganda tsunami around these cases that pressures politicians to spend other people's money, taxpayer money, to make their own political problems go away.

00:06:50.000 And he's extremely good at it.

00:06:52.000 So in your opinion, that's his game.

00:06:55.000 That's what he's doing.

00:06:55.000 Do you think he actually cares about these cases or what?

00:06:57.000 We can't know with this case in particular because we haven't yet had an opportunity to look at the entirety of the evidence, but I can tell you he was involved in the George Zimmerman case, in the Michael Brown case, most of these high-profile cases, and in those cases where we have had a chance to look at the totality of the evidence, you only ever saw half the argument from Benjamin Crump, the half that made him wealthy.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, well, uh, this is the guy who said he's the hands-up-don't-shoot guy, right?

00:07:22.000 So now he's... I remember back during the Ferguson riots, they had this board where they showed a person and then they drew lines of, like, this is where he was shot and this means that.

00:07:30.000 He's doing the same thing now.

00:07:32.000 He's showing this board and he's, you know, drawing a line in the back of the head.

00:07:35.000 You know, look, I hate to say it because for a while I always wanted to err on the side of, I think most of us do, on those that are victims.

00:07:42.000 We want to make sure we're protecting the innocent.

00:07:45.000 The problem is, how many times are we going to get abused by people who are giving us half the story or just bad information and then we end up with riots?

00:07:55.000 Massive taxpayer payouts and a story is not what we thought.

00:07:58.000 Hands up don't shoot was not true.

00:07:59.000 Right.

00:08:00.000 So when that officer, when the grand jury declined to indict the officer in the Michael Brown hands up don't shoot shooting, the whole world is shocked.

00:08:09.000 How could they not indict him?

00:08:10.000 Wasn't obviously that an unlawful shooting because they only ever were shown half the narrative.

00:08:15.000 The narrative that was consistent with an unlawful shooting.

00:08:18.000 But when you look at all the facts, You learned that Michael Brown actually attacked that officer, fought him for his gun, charged him, and Michael Brown was much, much larger than that officer.

00:08:27.000 And the officer's use of force was appropriate, if you knew the totality of the facts.

00:08:31.000 The same with the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman trial.

00:08:34.000 The world was shocked that George Zimmerman was acquitted.

00:08:37.000 Well, you would not be shocked if you'd actually seen, heard, all the evidence.

00:08:42.000 You're only surprised if you only saw the evidence that was the part that Benjamin Crump wanted you to see.

00:08:47.000 Are you familiar with what's going on with this Andrew Brown Jr.

00:08:49.000 case so far?

00:08:49.000 I think this is the gist of it so far, right?

00:08:52.000 I expect we'll see the same pattern.

00:08:54.000 Again, it's so new that we haven't seen anything like the totality of the evidence, but I see Benjamin Crump with the same kind of placards, the same intimations that someone was shot in the back, so therefore it must be unlawful.

00:09:06.000 In fact, that's not true.

00:09:08.000 There are many circumstances in which people are shot in the back, and it's entirely lawful. 1.00

00:09:12.000 Do you know about that case in Atlanta?

00:09:14.000 Where, I forgot the guy's name, the cops were, the guy was sleeping in a Wendy's drive-thru, he was drunk.

00:09:19.000 The cops tried arresting him, he runs.

00:09:22.000 He runs, he took, he fought them, took their taser, was running away, turned and pointed the taser back at the pursuing officer and that officer shot him.

00:09:29.000 And then they said he shot him as he was running away, he shot him in the back.

00:09:32.000 But that's an interesting point where, you know, of course that guy, I think he's still in jail, right?

00:09:37.000 That cop went to jail?

00:09:38.000 Like he's awaiting trial or something?

00:09:39.000 I don't, I know he was charged for sure.

00:09:42.000 I'm not sure if he's out on bail or currently in jail.

00:09:45.000 You have a video where you can see someone is running away, but they can still turn and aim a weapon behind themselves, you know, and shoot at a cop.

00:09:52.000 Absolutely.

00:09:53.000 Or there's many circumstances where someone's presenting a threat to a third person. 0.86

00:09:57.000 Like if I was threatening to shoot you and a cop was behind me, a cop would be entirely privileged to shoot me in the back.

00:10:03.000 That Micaiah, Micaiah Bryant was her name, I think it was, right? 0.90

00:10:07.000 With the knife situation.

00:10:10.000 Not because he was defending himself, because he was defending a third person.

00:10:13.000 So, you know, here's the big issue.

00:10:16.000 When it comes to, you know, Michael Brown, when it comes to this guy, Andrew Brown,

00:10:21.000 why are the cops showing up in these neighborhoods where people clearly don't want them there?

00:10:25.000 And they're just seeking to exploit anger in the community.

00:10:28.000 You know, look, I understand people call the cops and people in these communities call the cops.

00:10:32.000 Look at Jacob Blake.

00:10:33.000 This woman called the cops saying, I need help. 1.00

00:10:34.000 They showed up.

00:10:35.000 Now that cop gets in trouble and NFL players put Jacob Blake on their helmets and that guy assaulted that woman and was nearly going to kidnap her kids.

00:10:43.000 The cop tries to save her and he becomes the bad guy.

00:10:46.000 The unarmed Jacob Blake with a knife in his hand, entering a car full of children prepared to drive away with them when he's known to have crashed this woman's prior car.

00:10:55.000 That's why she had this car.

00:10:56.000 He wrecked her prior car.

00:10:57.000 And Blake said, I shouldn't have grabbed the knife.

00:11:00.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:11:01.000 Okay.

00:11:01.000 It's been a while since I got over that case, but I'm pretty sure he would like later said like, I should have gone for the knife.

00:11:05.000 He conceded when he was interviewed that he had the knife in his possession, as if it was incontestable.

00:11:10.000 I mean, we have the photographs with him turning the bumper of the car with the knife in his hand.

00:11:15.000 You know what I think this is?

00:11:17.000 First, it's fair to say there are issues where we probably would like some accountability in many circumstances we don't think we get.

00:11:24.000 Right?

00:11:24.000 I know you were mentioning before the show, every instance where a cop unjustly killed someone, they've been held accountable.

00:11:30.000 There are circumstances where people have experienced that aren't as bad, right?

00:11:33.000 Where people feel like they're not getting accountability, which I think lends itself to the bias people have when they hear these stories.

00:11:39.000 First, a lot of people will justly get a speeding ticket.

00:11:43.000 And they'll get angry. 0.99

00:11:44.000 And they'll say, oh, the cops, that was stupid, I shouldn't have got a ticket. 1.00

00:11:47.000 That's me. 1.00

00:11:48.000 Right.

00:11:48.000 Then there are some instances I've experienced where cops, you know, I had my Fourth Amendment right violated.

00:11:52.000 They kicked their way into my home, my apartment, when I was in my early 20s, unjustly, and then realized, oh, wrong house, and they had to leave, and I've had bad experiences.

00:12:01.000 I think people will see these stories where there are bad cops, often who get caught, and then assume every single circumstance must be a bad cop, because like what you said, but on a bigger scale.

00:12:11.000 If this guy Crump is coming out and only showing one side of the story, everyone assumes the officer must be guilty.

00:12:18.000 Now scale that up. 0.81

00:12:19.000 People are only seeing videos and stories where the cop is doing something wrong, or they're seeing the one side of it, and it affects their entire perspective of all police everywhere.

00:12:27.000 And now we have 33%, according to Gallup, of people under 35 who think the police should be abolished.

00:12:32.000 Right. 0.99

00:12:33.000 And by the way, the people who believe that narrative, they're not stupid people or bad people. 0.97

00:12:37.000 They genuinely believe this narrative to be true. 0.66

00:12:40.000 They're acting in good faith.

00:12:42.000 They believe there's a serious problem here that needs to be addressed.

00:12:45.000 The trouble is, their belief isn't based on reality.

00:12:48.000 It's based on propaganda.

00:12:50.000 And because it's not based on reality, the solutions they're espousing can only make the situation, in fact, worse.

00:12:56.000 It makes a lot of people rich, though.

00:12:57.000 It makes some people very wealthy.

00:13:00.000 This comes down to, look, you know, you're a use of force expert and you comment on these cases and I'm a media critic and I'm always ragging on the media because it seems like often it breaks down to the media is lying to people because they make money off it as well.

00:13:15.000 Like peaceful protesters, right?

00:13:17.000 Mostly fiery but mostly peaceful protest.

00:13:20.000 Or I love the MSNBC guy and he's standing in front of a burning police station engulfed in flames like, it is peaceful.

00:13:27.000 They just torched the police station, dude!

00:13:29.000 That's the opposite!

00:13:30.000 But the media is pandering to an audience, so they're not gonna show you.

00:13:34.000 Let me tell you something.

00:13:35.000 I worked for a Disney company, and I was told, I asked the president of the company.

00:13:41.000 He said to me, we're gonna side with the audience on these stories.

00:13:44.000 So I asked, does that mean if there is a factual news story which would be offensive to our audience, we don't report it?

00:13:49.000 And he said, I think that's fair, yes.

00:13:51.000 And that, to me, shows exactly what we're seeing now.

00:13:54.000 They know what the truth is.

00:13:56.000 It's even worse than that, because they don't just not report on things they think their audience might find offensive.

00:14:05.000 They aggressively report on things that can only be intended to foment hate and division, especially racial division, in the country.

00:14:13.000 The modern media in its current iteration makes its money from rage and emotion and hate because that's what makes people watch and click and do all the things that generate their revenue.

00:14:25.000 If they just reported the facts, this is what happened.

00:14:28.000 You interpret what you think the implications of that are.

00:14:32.000 They'd be even broker than they are.

00:14:34.000 So what do we have to do?

00:14:34.000 Put kids in philosophy courses when they're like in kindergarten?

00:14:37.000 Teach them to discern fact from fiction and To be calm and rational as they approach these very serious stories.

00:14:44.000 A little critical thinking ability would be useful, I think.

00:14:48.000 Unfortunately, I think our current education system, as well as the media, they don't want that.

00:14:53.000 No, they want the opposite of that.

00:14:54.000 Right.

00:14:55.000 Well, the schools want paying customers who shut up.

00:14:57.000 And the media just want someone who's going to just follow the narrative because they can get more clicks, they can sell more subscriptions, they can make more money.

00:15:03.000 And, you know, I'll tell you, I often have opinions that the people who watch the show really disagree with.

00:15:09.000 And I often get messages from people being like, how could you have said that?

00:15:11.000 I will not support you anymore.

00:15:13.000 And I'm like, I don't care.

00:15:14.000 Like, look, man, if you want to watch a show where you get confirmation bias, most of you probably still get that to some degree.

00:15:21.000 But the people who are upset with it don't want to watch.

00:15:24.000 You're fueling the exact same problem.

00:15:26.000 We're not gonna agree.

00:15:26.000 We're not going to agree.

00:15:28.000 I don't know if you know who Will Chamberlain is.

00:15:30.000 He's a lawyer.

00:15:31.000 He runs Human Events.

00:15:32.000 I had him here.

00:15:33.000 Florida passed that anti-riot bill.

00:15:36.000 It's signed into law, actually.

00:15:37.000 Yeah, I just wrote about it.

00:15:38.000 So that would make blocking a roadway a felony.

00:15:41.000 I disagree with that.

00:15:42.000 Will agree with that.

00:15:43.000 And many people in Super Chat said, Tim, you're wrong.

00:15:45.000 It should be a felony.

00:15:46.000 I don't think so.

00:15:47.000 I think a high-level misdemeanor makes sense.

00:15:49.000 It's non-violent civil disobedience.

00:15:50.000 You're gonna get arrested and charged with a crime for it.

00:15:52.000 But felonies?

00:15:54.000 Pretty, pretty tough.

00:15:55.000 Well, one of the things I like about you, Tim, is that we may not agree on everything, but at least I always know you're coming from a principled position.

00:16:01.000 We don't happen to agree on this, because I think it needs to be, and I think Will said this on your show, the reason they've escalated the penalty is because the lesser penalty that was in place was not solving the problem.

00:16:14.000 The problem is these people, by blocking the roads, are effectively making unlawful arrests of everybody in all those vehicles.

00:16:20.000 They're endangering public safety by making it impossible for emergency vehicles to get through.

00:16:25.000 It can't be permitted to happen.

00:16:27.000 And if a misdemeanor was enough to dissuade the behavior, I'd be perfectly fine with that.

00:16:30.000 But the DAs aren't prosecuting.

00:16:32.000 They're just letting them go.

00:16:33.000 That's a separate question.

00:16:34.000 The governor and the legislature only have so much power.

00:16:36.000 They can only do what they can do.

00:16:38.000 Then it's up to the people to elect prosecutors that will execute on that law.

00:16:43.000 The way the people who elect prosecutors want it executed.

00:16:46.000 That's the big problem, I guess.

00:16:48.000 I look at it from, if we prosecute someone on a misdemeanor charge, they can get up to a year in jail, right?

00:16:53.000 In theory.

00:16:55.000 But if they keep doing it, certainly at a certain point it's going to be like, okay, now you're in for a year.

00:16:59.000 They're not currently subject to any prosecution because the prosecutors are dropping all charges.

00:17:03.000 So there's in effect no criminal liability for the conduct.

00:17:06.000 So that was my point.

00:17:08.000 You can make the law whatever you want.

00:17:09.000 The prosecutors won't prosecute.

00:17:11.000 I worry now by making it a felony, the prosecutors might be like, ah, that's a bit too harsh to charge him with a felony, so I won't do it.

00:17:16.000 And they may.

00:17:17.000 But the prosecutors we're talking about are really politically motivated prosecutors anyway.

00:17:22.000 So they're on the side of the protesters.

00:17:25.000 That's their team.

00:17:26.000 They're not going to do anything to harm their team.

00:17:28.000 There's no bail requirements.

00:17:29.000 If there's bail, it's dismissed.

00:17:30.000 If there's charges, they're dismissed.

00:17:32.000 Often, the people who are arrested for these protests are out of jail before the officer who arrested them is done doing the paperwork for the report.

00:17:40.000 There was a woman, I think, like in Portland, charged with felonies. 1.00

00:17:42.000 They just cut her loose. 1.00

00:17:44.000 Then she goes back and she like sets fire to the police station. 0.98

00:17:46.000 Yeah, one part of the Florida law was a provision that says, hey, if you're arrested on this charge, you can't get released on bail until you're at least put in front of a magistrate, which is the normal process.

00:17:55.000 So you can't do this catch and release.

00:17:58.000 The cop basically has to write you a summons and let you go, because when he lets him go, they go right back to obstructing the road again.

00:18:05.000 Let me ask you about the Chauvin trial.

00:18:06.000 So, you wrote a lot about it.

00:18:08.000 I was following your writing during the Chauvin trial, and the media was only giving us one side of the story.

00:18:14.000 It was remarkable when I'd go to NBC, and they'd be talking about what the state prosecutor's witness said, this, this, and this, and they were all really great for the prosecutor.

00:18:24.000 And then on Cross, when the defense actually challenged these ideas and did great, they would say nothing.

00:18:30.000 So, sure enough, you mentioned earlier that a lot of people begin to expect a conviction, or at least an indictment, with Darren Wilson in Ferguson.

00:18:40.000 People were shocked when this guy was not charged with anything, and it's because the media wasn't giving them the truth.

00:18:45.000 However, over a long enough period of time, with propaganda and manipulation and riots, this time, not only did they get their indictment, they got a conviction on all charges.

00:18:54.000 So, not only is the media giving a false view of things, but now it seems to be working.

00:18:59.000 Right, so, by the way, a little inside baseball, that whole Darren Wilson case with Michael Brown.

00:19:04.000 The reason he didn't get indicted was the prosecutor there made the decision to show the grand jury both sides of the argument.

00:19:11.000 The facts in favor of guilt, misconduct by the officer, and the facts that mitigate, that made it appear to be a justifiable use of force, and he let the grand jury make the decision.

00:19:20.000 He had no obligation to do that.

00:19:22.000 He could have only offered the half of the story that would have gotten the officer indicted, but he offered both sides.

00:19:28.000 Grand jury looked at it, said, nope, looks like a justified use of force to us.

00:19:31.000 You know what happened to that prosecutor?

00:19:33.000 Next election, he had a Soros-backed candidate who defeated him as prosecutor, and that guy ran, in part, the competitor ran apart on immediately reopening the Michael Brown case.

00:19:45.000 Is that happening?

00:19:46.000 Yeah, he reopened it, looked at it for three weeks, closed it again immediately because

00:19:49.000 there's simply no evidence consistent with the officer having done anything wrong.

00:19:53.000 But he won the election, so he's now in that seat.

00:19:57.000 He won political power through this propagandistic narrative.

00:20:02.000 I don't know how you solve that problem, man.

00:20:05.000 People need to know who their prosecutor is.

00:20:07.000 I bet nobody at this table knows who the local prosecutor is here.

00:20:10.000 Because normal people don't know.

00:20:12.000 You need to know.

00:20:12.000 You need to care.

00:20:13.000 These are enormously powerful positions, and they're cheap to buy.

00:20:17.000 Most prosecutorial races involve a few thousand dollars.

00:20:20.000 So if someone's willing to come in and drop $50,000, he just bought that seat.

00:20:25.000 Well, so there has been a wave of progressive or leftist DAs.

00:20:30.000 We just had a story, and this one's going to get us in trouble on YouTube, but what's the guy's name?

00:20:34.000 Chessa Bowden.

00:20:34.000 You know this guy in San Francisco?

00:20:35.000 Yes.

00:20:36.000 He's a progressive prosecutor, and he had a domestic abuser arrested twice, and he cut him loose twice saying, oh, but the wife won't Right.

00:20:43.000 You know, won't file charges against them, even though in California, domestic violence is a charge from the state.

00:20:49.000 This it's, it's, you're, you're victimizing the state in this

00:20:52.000 case.

00:20:52.000 And I do that because of course the victim who's being beaten by

00:20:55.000 you isn't going to come and speak out.

00:20:56.000 Well, after you get released twice, he went back home and he

00:21:01.000 murdered a seven year old baby.

00:21:03.000 So this is what happens when you get, I don't want to draw a 1.00

00:21:07.000 direct one-to-one correlation between him being this like new

00:21:10.000 woke DA and releasing this guy, but it is consistent with what

00:21:13.000 we've seen from these leftist prosecutors who are like, I'm going to let this guy go.

00:21:18.000 Well, you don't get less crime by letting all the bad guys you've arrested immediately out of prison.

00:21:23.000 This is the same prosecutor who told his assistant DAs, don't argue three strikes under Florida law for any of these people that are being brought into court.

00:21:32.000 Pretend three strikes doesn't exist.

00:21:33.000 Now, reasonable people can agree or disagree about whether they think three strikes is good public policy or not.

00:21:39.000 But here the prosecutors under him actually went to court to fight his order.

00:21:45.000 And maybe they don't agree with three strikes themselves, but it would be unlawful under state law for them to do what he was telling his prosecutors to act unlawfully in arguing their cases in court.

00:21:55.000 And they weren't willing to accept that legal liability.

00:21:57.000 Well, who was the prosecutor in the Derek Chauvin trial?

00:22:02.000 Well, they had a whole pass.

00:22:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:22:03.000 Who who was the one who basically initiated the charges?

00:22:08.000 I don't know who would have initiated it.

00:22:09.000 They had at least four prosecutors in court themselves.

00:22:13.000 Oh, Keith Ellison, the state attorney general.

00:22:16.000 Well, what happened in that case was the local prosecutor didn't want anything to do with the case, basically, and handed it off to the state so the state would take responsibility, which Keith Ellison was happy to do.

00:22:25.000 And, of course, he then brought in a whole panel of prosecutors, only two of whom were actual state prosecutors.

00:22:32.000 How is that legal?

00:22:33.000 ten or twelve attorneys admitted to prosecute that case.

00:22:37.000 Only two were state prosecutors.

00:22:38.000 All the others were private attorneys from very high-end law firms who volunteered to

00:22:44.000 work for free to prosecute Derek Chauvin.

00:22:46.000 How is that legal?

00:22:47.000 How is that allowed?

00:22:48.000 He's permitted to bring in anybody he wants that the court will accept as an attorney

00:22:52.000 for that case and the court's generally willing to accept.

00:22:55.000 And these, by the way, are all excellent attorneys.

00:22:56.000 They're all very, very good attorneys.

00:22:58.000 But it was a gross mismatch between these 10 or 12 prosecutors working on the state side and one, frankly, run-of-the-mill defense attorney.

00:23:08.000 Perfectly nice guy, perfectly capable attorney, but nothing special working for the defense.

00:23:13.000 Is there anything in modern history that is similar to what we saw with Chauvin, meaning the state brings in prestigious prosecutors, the city settles with the Floyd family during the trial?

00:23:28.000 Have you ever seen anything like that?

00:23:29.000 No, I've not.

00:23:30.000 And it's extremely unusual to, especially during jury selection, there's no point then to rush to a settlement.

00:23:37.000 You may as well wait and see if criminal liability has been found, do a settlement after the fact.

00:23:42.000 If they'd settled very quickly after the event, I wouldn't have been surprised.

00:23:46.000 But to wait as long as they did to jury selection and then suddenly rush to settlement, knowing the biasing effect, and maybe that's why it was done, knowing the biasing effect that it would have, And I've never seen a case in which the large majority of the quote-unquote prosecutors on the case were actually private attorneys who were brought in as a kind of hit team.

00:24:05.000 That seems crazy to me.

00:24:06.000 But you know what seems crazy to me after that is who in their right mind would stay in Minnesota?

00:24:11.000 I mean the state.

00:24:12.000 I mean Keith Ellison's the AG, right?

00:24:14.000 So this is statewide.

00:24:16.000 That means if you're a cop anywhere in Minnesota and you do anything to save someone else or protect yourself, you're going to prison.

00:24:23.000 And this is increasingly common.

00:24:25.000 This is a pattern now where people might think, hey, I don't live in the city.

00:24:29.000 It's safe where I live.

00:24:29.000 I live out in the country.

00:24:30.000 It's a nice, safe community.

00:24:32.000 I know who my prosecutor is.

00:24:33.000 I see him at the grocery store every once in a while.

00:24:35.000 He's a nice guy.

00:24:36.000 I'm sure he wouldn't prosecute me.

00:24:38.000 But what often happens is the local prosecutor gets removed from the decision-making process and it gets handed off to a chosen prosecutor from a different district.

00:24:46.000 That happened in the George Zimmerman trial.

00:24:48.000 The local prosecutor To him it was so clearly self-defense.

00:24:52.000 He quit his job rather than bring charges against George Zimmerman.

00:24:55.000 Wow.

00:24:55.000 And they just brought in Deborah Nelson from a different part of Florida to be the prosecutor in that case.

00:25:00.000 Or you see the case handed off to a state-level prosecutor like with Keith Ellison in the Chauvin trial or with the Ahmaud Arbery case in Georgia.

00:25:09.000 You have a prosecutor, local prosecutor, looks at it.

00:25:11.000 I don't want to bring charges here.

00:25:12.000 Second prosecutor, I don't want to bring charges.

00:25:14.000 Third prosecutor, I don't want anything to do with it, and they hand it off to a prosecutor from another part of the state.

00:25:20.000 Why are they handing it off?

00:25:21.000 Because it's a political hot potato.

00:25:23.000 Everybody knows what Benjamin Crump is going to turn the case into.

00:25:25.000 They don't want any part of it.

00:25:27.000 Maybe they should grow some spines.

00:25:30.000 Or maybe they feel the political pressure they're going to face is simply going to be overwhelming for someone who spent $1,500 to become a local prosecutor.

00:25:40.000 $1,500.

00:25:40.000 It's amazing.

00:25:41.000 It's kind of scary that it's that cheap to buy one of these positions.

00:25:45.000 Yeah.

00:25:45.000 You make a good point with the Michael Brown thing where the prosecutor got ousted and they brought in- Lost his job.

00:25:51.000 Lost his job.

00:25:52.000 So it seems like even if they do grow a spine and say, get away from me, they'll just lose their job and they'll bring in somebody else.

00:25:57.000 That's what happens.

00:25:58.000 Man, the propaganda is taking over and I gotta say, it's making me pretty pessimistic.

00:26:04.000 You know, I try to be optimistic a little bit sometimes.

00:26:06.000 I am fairly pessimistic, which is a problem.

00:26:09.000 But, you know, we've had some, you know, James Carville comes out and says that wokeness is a problem.

00:26:14.000 There are some signs that maybe we're starting to see people realize the problem of these narratives.

00:26:22.000 But then I hear this stuff, and it's been ongoing for like a decade, and the Chauvin trial was the worst of the worst, where... I mean, when I... I think it was the LAPD use of force expert, I think it was?

00:26:33.000 Was it him who said... Yeah, Sergeant Steiger, for the state.

00:26:36.000 Was he the guy who said that Chauvin was entitled to use a taser, and chose not to?

00:26:41.000 Yeah, he absolutely was.

00:26:42.000 Because, of course, a taser is non-deadly force.

00:26:44.000 Well, so how do you convince a jury that Chauvin was intending to assault or injure Floyd when he de-escalated, he used a lesser force option, and even called EMS?

00:26:55.000 Because that wasn't really the question that the jury was being asked to answer.

00:26:59.000 The question was not, how do we decide this case on the legal merits?

00:27:02.000 The question was, do we want to convict this guy and all go home and live a quiet life?

00:27:06.000 Or do we want to acquit on any one of these charges and be burned alive in our homes?

00:27:11.000 The woman, one of the jurors, she didn't know she was an alternate, and I'm sure you saw this, said, I didn't want to go through the riots and the destruction again, and I was worried someone would come to my house and retaliate.

00:27:20.000 Right, and you can hardly blame her, because the threat of violence is real.

00:27:23.000 There's a reason they had national guardsmen outside the courthouse, there was barbed wire, the jurors were escorted to the courtroom by state police with machine guns.

00:27:32.000 This is not because the threat of violence is fantasy.

00:27:35.000 Wait, wait, they had machine guns?

00:27:35.000 Like, you mean it?

00:27:36.000 Well, you know your guns.

00:27:37.000 Yeah.

00:27:39.000 The state police would be armed with MP5s or something equivalent.

00:27:42.000 So the actual select-fire rifles?

00:27:43.000 Yeah, sure.

00:27:44.000 Law enforcement doesn't buy semi-automatic guns.

00:27:48.000 Right, right, right, exactly.

00:27:49.000 There's no restriction on them having full auto, so.

00:27:51.000 Great!

00:27:52.000 They're allowed to have weapons of war, I suppose.

00:27:53.000 That's, you know, sure.

00:27:55.000 It's nightmarish.

00:27:56.000 And the jurors, of course, are going to and from the courthouse every day during this trial, past the National Guardsmen, the barbed wire.

00:28:03.000 They know that stuff exists for a reason.

00:28:05.000 They were told by the judge, look, we'll try to keep your identity secret while you're in court, which is nonsense because all these people disappeared from their normal jobs for three weeks at a time, right?

00:28:14.000 So everyone in their circle, social circle, knows that they're not gone, they're not there for a reason.

00:28:20.000 And they know eventually the judge told them we will release your names to the public.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, and It's not going to be a good outcome for me I mean the the defense use of force expert had blood and a pig's head left at his former home That wasn't intended to intimidate him or change his testimony.

00:28:38.000 His testimony was over Right, it was for the jurors.

00:28:41.000 Right, it was for the benefit.

00:28:42.000 And by the way, this applies also to every prospective juror, witness, expert for any of these future trials coming up.

00:28:50.000 The Rittenhouse trial coming up, the McCloskey trial coming up, the Ahmaud Arbery trial coming up.

00:28:54.000 All those people also, everyone going through jury selection there knows what to anticipate now.

00:29:01.000 Let me pull up a story real quick because there's something that you're getting me Here we go, it's BBC.

00:29:11.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we have this story from the BBC.

00:29:15.000 Anger as ex-generals warn of deadly civil war in France.

00:29:20.000 Now, the reasons they're giving for why they think France will descend into civil war is a bit different.

00:29:24.000 They're talking about, you know, what they call no-go zones in French neighborhoods.

00:29:28.000 But in an open letter to the president, they mentioned this leftist dogma is going to result in their country descending into civil war.

00:29:36.000 Now, we're not France.

00:29:37.000 I understand that.

00:29:38.000 But seeing this story and then hearing what you just said, we're talking about the Chauvin trial, the pig's head and blood left at someone's home, the riots and the threats from Maxine Waters.

00:29:51.000 We have federal politicians saying, unless we get mob justice, we will riot more.

00:29:58.000 Right.

00:29:59.000 How can there be confidence in this government, in our country, similar to what I'm... You know, it's not one-for-one with what the French generals were saying.

00:30:08.000 But with this leftist dogma, it seems like their moral framework is, there is no truth but power, and might makes right.

00:30:13.000 That's what they believe.

00:30:15.000 Why would any individual in this country who believes in the American moral framework, innocent until proven guilty, just sit by and let this happen?

00:30:24.000 Now, I understand for the time being, they are.

00:30:27.000 They are.

00:30:27.000 After everything we saw in Minnesota, there are still people who would believe or ignore, you know, what's happening.

00:30:33.000 They would believe the lies or ignore what's happening in this state.

00:30:35.000 But for those of us that are paying attention, it's getting terrifying.

00:30:39.000 Because this is... Look.

00:30:40.000 There's an argument, in my opinion, based on everything I've read, maybe manslaughter.

00:30:43.000 I don't know.

00:30:44.000 What's your opinion on the show?

00:30:45.000 Maybe manslaughter?

00:30:46.000 I think there was reasonable doubt on every one of those criminal charges.

00:30:49.000 That doesn't mean he didn't do something wrong.

00:30:51.000 It doesn't even mean, you know, it could be probably true that he committed a crime.

00:30:55.000 But that's not the legal standard.

00:30:56.000 The legal standard has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and I did not see that here.

00:31:01.000 I-I-I-I agree.

00:31:03.000 Um, I guess what I'm trying to say is if someone told me that based on everything that was presented to the jurors, the jurors found, you know, maybe manslaughter, I'd be like, that makes sense, I guess.

00:31:13.000 I wouldn't, you know, I might not agree with that, but it's guilty on all counts, second degree murder.

00:31:19.000 We all watched hours of deliberations.

00:31:21.000 This is a case in which there were over 55,000 exhibits of evidence in which there was sufficient video that individual expert witnesses said they spent 100 to 150 hours reviewing the video evidence.

00:31:35.000 And the jurors went into deliberations and less than 10 hours later came back with a verdict.

00:31:40.000 That wasn't due deliberation and argument over the evidence in that case and whether it met the legal standard.

00:31:45.000 That was people who were terrorized.

00:31:47.000 And I think the public looks at this... Look, first of all, you have to...

00:31:51.000 You'd have to accept that a jury that effectively has a gun to its head is anything like any model of justice any of us would want for ourselves or a loved one, because that's effectively what happened in this case.

00:32:02.000 But first, people would have to recognize that that's what happened.

00:32:04.000 And second of all, even if they did recognize that this was a gross injustice, and by the way, it's a gross injustice regardless of the verdict.

00:32:12.000 So, Chauvin could have been convicted in a fair process.

00:32:15.000 And justice in America is not supposed to be about the outcome.

00:32:18.000 It's supposed to be about a just process.

00:32:20.000 If we trust the process, we accept the outcome regardless of what it might be.

00:32:24.000 But if the process is inherently corrupt, you don't get anything like justice out the other end.

00:32:30.000 So first you have to recognize the process is corrupt.

00:32:32.000 But even if you do recognize that, well, what's an individual person supposed to do about it?

00:32:37.000 Except hope that when they're swimming in the water, the shark doesn't happen to come for them.

00:32:41.000 So this is where I'm getting freaked out, right?

00:32:43.000 Seeing this story out of France.

00:32:45.000 I saw this the other day.

00:32:46.000 I covered it a little bit.

00:32:48.000 And, you know, there were some political leaders in the country who said that Leftist ideology on race and gender is destroying France and they need to stop it.

00:32:58.000 Now they're to the point where their former generals are warning Macron of civil war, and we've seen many similar articles in the United States from prominent publications talking about the prospect of civil war in this country.

00:33:09.000 I know a lot of people on the left like to laugh about it, pretend it's not a reality, but then maybe January 6th might change their minds.

00:33:16.000 When you see what happens with Chauvin, and based on the things you're telling me, where a pig's head and blood at the home of one of the witnesses who had already testified, a message to the jury, a Democrat, a federal politician who straight up threatened more violence, she didn't say the word violence, said more confrontation as they're already rioting.

00:33:35.000 In the context of violence.

00:33:37.000 Right.

00:33:37.000 There's only one way to interpret that.

00:33:39.000 Of a year of riots.

00:33:40.000 Right.

00:33:41.000 And now we have the other remaining officers in the Chauvin trial.

00:33:45.000 Their trial is set for August, I believe.

00:33:47.000 We also have Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:33:49.000 Now we have this Elizabeth City case.

00:33:51.000 Now we have a Virginia case.

00:33:52.000 Not only are these instances going to keep happening, because sometimes cops use lethal force, whether it's justified or not, it's going to keep happening.

00:34:00.000 It will be weaponized by hard left cultists, people who believe that might makes right and they can do whatever they want.

00:34:07.000 And then there's not going to be a system of justice for anyone involved.

00:34:11.000 Cops are already resigning in mass across the country and have been since last year.

00:34:15.000 And it's getting worse.

00:34:16.000 Even in the area we're in right now, a local town is facing a shortage of police and they don't know what to do about it.

00:34:21.000 So at what point do people just say, I have no faith in the system anymore?

00:34:25.000 And do we just see people taking up arms in their own neighborhoods?

00:34:30.000 Rejecting the law?

00:34:32.000 I mean, how does a regular person function in a society that has thrown out the rule of law?

00:34:38.000 Well, mostly you just hope it doesn't happen to you.

00:34:41.000 Mostly you just hope that you don't get targeted.

00:34:43.000 That's the only thing you can hope for.

00:34:46.000 The solution is certainly not private justice.

00:34:49.000 That just makes you even more vulnerable to successful prosecution than if you had the background and training and badge and apparent authority of a police officer.

00:34:56.000 You're not less vulnerable to this kind of prosecution.

00:34:59.000 You're more likely to make mistakes.

00:35:01.000 You're more likely to be mischaracterized.

00:35:02.000 Look at the guys in the Ahmaud Arbery case who were making Uh, what was almost certainly a lawful citizen's arrest

00:35:08.000 under georgia law You may not like the georgia citizens arrest law. I get

00:35:11.000 that reasonable people can disagree But if you read the law, they almost certainly met the

00:35:16.000 conditions for making a lawful citizen's arrest of arbery And they're not being treated like cops 0.92

00:35:20.000 They're just being treated as people who wanted to be cops and murdered a black man for jogging through a neighborhood

00:35:26.000 Uh, so I don't think private details are irrelevant. Yeah I remember when I covered that, and there's, I believe there's surveillance footage of him entering this private property.

00:35:35.000 Correct.

00:35:36.000 And I had these people on the left.

00:35:37.000 They don't care.

00:35:39.000 They believe there's no truth but power, and they believe Mike makes right.

00:35:42.000 So when I come out and say, like, oh, there's a video of the guy who was trespassing, I mean, in West Virginia, you're allowed, I'm pretty sure, I could be wrong, so fact check me on this one, but I'm pretty sure you're allowed to shoot someone to stop them from entering your property.

00:35:54.000 You don't even have to wait until they get on your property.

00:35:56.000 You can prevent them from accessing your property.

00:35:58.000 Well, in most states, if someone's attempting to forcibly and unlawfully enter your dwelling, your place of business, your occupied vehicle, there's a legal presumption they're doing it to cause you deadly bodily harm, which would justify your use of deadly defensive force.

00:36:11.000 Not in New Jersey!

00:36:12.000 New Jersey, you have to run away.

00:36:13.000 I don't know where you run to when you're in your home and you have to retreat from your own home.

00:36:17.000 I guess if you're sitting in your bed in your underwear and someone breaks in your house, go stand in an alley somewhere in your underwear, I guess, and pray for the best.

00:36:25.000 But that's the law in some of these places.

00:36:28.000 It's unfortunate when that happens.

00:36:31.000 Unfortunately, I certainly hope there is not a civil war.

00:36:33.000 I mean, when we had a civil war last time, I believe the death count was something like 600,000, and that's just combat deaths.

00:36:40.000 It doesn't even count people who starved and suffered other catastrophes.

00:36:44.000 A civil war in America, it would easily be 60 million people who ended up dying, especially in the just-in-time economy in which we live and where your grocery store in two days, if it's not resupplied, is completely out of food, as we learned during the COVID era.

00:36:57.000 But I'll clarify this point, you know, because it's been a minute since we've talked about civil war here on the show, but we talk about it decently amount in the context of the escalation of violence.

00:37:08.000 I can't remember which guest this was, but they made a really great point.

00:37:11.000 You know, I often say that when people look at civil war in the United States, the potential for it, and there's a Princeton professor who said we're in a cold civil war.

00:37:17.000 This is not something I just made up.

00:37:20.000 I agree, we are in a cold civil war.

00:37:22.000 My concern would be if it goes hot.

00:37:24.000 So here's the issue, is that people imagine the American Civil War as how civil wars work.

00:37:30.000 That's not true.

00:37:31.000 Most civil wars do not function this way, where you have states seceding and then two factions fighting each other on a battlefield.

00:37:37.000 That can't happen anymore.

00:37:39.000 Not the way we're structured societally.

00:37:42.000 But even other countries where there's been civil war, it's a bunch of different pockets rise up and there's violence against local government, against different factions.

00:37:50.000 We had someone on the show, I can't remember who it was, but they said, what happens in America will look more like Syria. 0.84

00:37:55.000 Yes.

00:37:55.000 You'll have 30 or 40 factions.

00:37:57.000 You'll have different, you know, elements of the government and everyone will be fighting in different places for different reasons.

00:38:03.000 It's not going to be structure.

00:38:05.000 It's just going to be violence and chaos.

00:38:08.000 And it's going to be, you know, different in different areas.

00:38:11.000 And I think that seems to be a likely scenario right now, especially based on what we're seeing in Minnesota.

00:38:16.000 It may be likely.

00:38:17.000 I mean, I certainly hope it doesn't happen for all the reasons I just described.

00:38:20.000 I think the death toll would be unimaginable.

00:38:23.000 But there's really only three options, right?

00:38:24.000 There's reconciliation between the left and the right, there's civil war, or there's subjugation of the right by the left.

00:38:32.000 So, which of those outcomes are we going to pick?

00:38:34.000 I don't see reconciliation anywhere in our future.

00:38:37.000 I'd like to think there's not going to be a civil war, but I certainly wouldn't be happy about the third outcome, which would be effective subjugation of 49% of the population. 0.75

00:38:46.000 Well, subjugation is happening.

00:38:48.000 I mean, when I see these cops, After everything you've just told me about the Chauvin case, and the way you present it, I mean, people being brought in under armed guard with cops, machine guns, pig's blood, all that stuff, I can't believe there are still police officers who would wear that badge.

00:39:05.000 Because they are representing a city that knows what they did, a judicial system that knows what they did, and they're effectively supporting it by doing so.

00:39:14.000 Well, they're not really staying though.

00:39:16.000 So Minneapolis PD has lost something like 20% of its officers in the last year.

00:39:20.000 You can't just apply that 20% generally because there's huge chunks of the police force that are not interacting with the public like street cops.

00:39:28.000 They're at the academy, they're in the headquarters.

00:39:31.000 Those people are not leaving.

00:39:32.000 They're not in danger of being Derek Chauvin because they're not going hands-on with suspects.

00:39:37.000 So if they say 20% of the total police force is leaving, that has to be 40 to 50% or more of the street cop It's a great point. 0.99

00:39:44.000 It's a great point.

00:39:45.000 And they're not going to get replaced by better quality officers.

00:39:48.000 They're going to get replaced by people like some of the cops involved in the arrest.

00:39:53.000 People it's their fourth or third call out on the street when suddenly they find themselves

00:39:57.000 in a George Floyd event.

00:39:58.000 So they're more likely.

00:39:59.000 They don't make better calls.

00:40:01.000 They make worse use of force calls.

00:40:02.000 We're going to see more cases in which cops are using force inappropriately.

00:40:06.000 And by the way, I don't want to suggest to anybody that I think cops always use force appropriately.

00:40:10.000 There's many cases where they use force inappropriately.

00:40:13.000 But my observation, based on my experience, is when that happens, they are held accountable.

00:40:17.000 So what I object to is this notion that cops are rampantly going around using force inappropriately and society's just letting them do that.

00:40:25.000 That's not true.

00:40:27.000 Right.

00:40:28.000 What's surprising to me is, well, before I get into that, the rookie cops, more likely to get killed and more likely to kill, right?

00:40:34.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:40:35.000 Bad use of force calls.

00:40:36.000 Less experienced, poorer judgment because of that lack of experience.

00:40:39.000 Those are the guys more likely to accidentally go to the gun when they meant to go to the taser.

00:40:45.000 And you end up with more force being used inappropriately.

00:40:49.000 You don't get better outcomes by having a less experienced police force.

00:40:53.000 So this is only going to exacerbate the problem.

00:40:55.000 It's going to keep happening.

00:40:57.000 Right.

00:40:58.000 Then you're going to get more of these lawyers coming out saying, oh, these cops did wrong.

00:41:02.000 See, this is proof.

00:41:03.000 We got to abolish the police.

00:41:05.000 This is why I'm surprised.

00:41:06.000 Who in their right mind would sign up to be a police officer right now?

00:41:08.000 I don't think anybody is.

00:41:10.000 Well, they have rookies.

00:41:10.000 They have people coming and joining the force.

00:41:12.000 People desperate for the job who don't understand the risks or who believe that, hey, it won't happen to me.

00:41:17.000 I just have to be right.

00:41:19.000 Because most of most officers are not involved in a George Floyd type of case.

00:41:23.000 But of course, it's not up to the cop.

00:41:25.000 I mean, one thing most people I don't think they realize.

00:41:28.000 It's not really the cop who decides how much force to use in an encounter with a violently non-compliant suspect.

00:41:35.000 It's the suspect who determines how much force is going to be used.

00:41:39.000 So it's not really within the cop's control unless the cop decides, I'm not going to engage.

00:41:44.000 I'm not going to go hands-on.

00:41:45.000 I'm just going to let this person go.

00:41:47.000 And whose interest is that in?

00:41:49.000 I mean, it's cities where the police have long adopted that kind of approach that have become the high-crime hellholes, and not for people who live in rich suburbs, but for the people who live, are caught, captured, trapped in those urban centers of violence.

00:42:03.000 Who, by the way, when they're asked, they want more police.

00:42:06.000 They don't want the police defunded.

00:42:08.000 We've seen from Gallup that many people in these places do say they want more cops, but I don't see them coming out to support the police, I don't see them going to fundraisers, I don't see them marching in the streets.

00:42:17.000 So the way I see it is, you can tell me you want something, but if you've got people setting fires to buildings, destroying them completely, beating people in the streets, smashing windows, that's the voice being heard in the press, and you won't even stand up outside with a sign?

00:42:31.000 You've abstained from the vote.

00:42:33.000 Right?

00:42:33.000 You have to put your vote where your mouth is, and if you don't do that, nothing changes.

00:42:37.000 But, in fact, nothing changes.

00:42:39.000 I mean, just look at the school systems in these same places.

00:42:41.000 Those school boards are elected by the residents in those communities, and they continue to elect people who don't educate their children.

00:42:48.000 So, what are we supposed to make of that?

00:42:51.000 Again, they don't put their votes where they say their mouth is.

00:42:55.000 So we've seen a massive escalation in violent crime across the country.

00:42:59.000 We've seen shootings skyrocketing.

00:43:01.000 I think New York, it's like what, 250% or some ridiculous number?

00:43:04.000 Yeah, 275 or something. 0.69

00:43:05.000 275, some ridiculously large number.

00:43:08.000 Cops are at a point now where we've already seen many resign.

00:43:12.000 I think in Albuquerque recently, 20 officers resigned from their emergency response team.

00:43:17.000 So no more riot control.

00:43:18.000 They're going to bring in rookies, cadets to be trained.

00:43:21.000 Oh, that'll go well.

00:43:22.000 So we're going to get more of these instances, but we're also going to hear more of cops saying, I'm not going to either.

00:43:27.000 I'm going to quit the job and go somewhere else.

00:43:29.000 I've gotten those emails.

00:43:29.000 Or we're going to see cops who just say, I won't respond to that call.

00:43:34.000 Gun violence and crime will continue to skyrocket in places like New York, Chicago, and I believe LA, obviously the big cities.

00:43:40.000 And then what happens when someone finally says, I'm going to fight back or I'm going to form my own neighborhood watch group and we're going to take up arms.

00:43:48.000 Now you see the emergence of urban factions opposing uncontrollable violence.

00:43:55.000 That's the seed for some serious urban conflict.

00:43:57.000 I understand the drivers that would lead people to want to protect their own communities or homes by forming these private little cooperative groups.

00:44:05.000 The legal jeopardy they're creating for themselves is unbelievable, because if something goes bad, if they are then involved in some kind of George Floyd-like event, The prosecutors will characterize it as a conspiracy among the group.

00:44:17.000 Each and every one of them will be equally responsible for the worst conduct of any of their members.

00:44:21.000 So if it turns out there's some lunatic in your group that you didn't realize was a lunatic until he got a chance to point a gun at somebody and he murders someone, straight out murders someone, if you're deemed a co-conspirator, you committed that murder, my friend.

00:44:35.000 So let's, let's, uh, let's keep going with this logic. 0.80

00:44:37.000 All right.

00:44:37.000 So first we already have the dramatic escalation in violent crime across the city, uh, across our cities, police resigning or blue flu or refusing to answer calls.

00:44:46.000 Retire on the job.

00:44:47.000 We've, we have a rave, a mass wave of retirements from, from tons of, there was a story in, in, uh, out of New York, a 30 year old female cop retired.

00:44:57.000 He's 30.

00:44:58.000 She was there for seven years and she's like, I'm retiring as a police officer at 30.

00:45:01.000 When I say retire on the job, I mean, these are people, at least if a cop just outright retires, you know he's not there anymore.

00:45:06.000 He's not a resource.

00:45:07.000 He needs to be replaced.

00:45:08.000 Retire on the job is when they don't leave the job. 0.96

00:45:11.000 They just stop doing the job.

00:45:12.000 Right.

00:45:13.000 They stop going to the call.

00:45:14.000 So they delay going long enough so when they get there, it's just time to do the chalk line and there's no danger anymore.

00:45:19.000 So let's follow this logic.

00:45:20.000 All right.

00:45:20.000 So more crime.

00:45:22.000 It is happening.

00:45:23.000 We've already seen videos of people pulling guns on protesters and rioters.

00:45:28.000 We had the McCloskey's very famous case.

00:45:30.000 There's also a viral video where I think it was a couple guys and a few women were standing at their street, the entrance to their block, holding a couple rifles.

00:45:37.000 So we're already getting close to that point.

00:45:40.000 So let's say the prosecutor, let's say rioters are rampaging through an area.

00:45:44.000 Someone, uh, well, this has actually happened, right?

00:45:47.000 So Kyle Rittenhouse comes out and says, I'm going to defend this, this area.

00:45:52.000 I'm going to stop the riots.

00:45:53.000 What people need to understand about the riots in Kenosha is that it was several nights of ongoing rioting.

00:45:58.000 You had, I think it was a 78 year old man was, was, I don't know.

00:46:01.000 I think he was 78.

00:46:02.000 His building was on fire.

00:46:04.000 He was trying to stop the people ransacking his store.

00:46:07.000 And when he went up to stop them, someone bashed him over the back of the head with a rock.

00:46:10.000 Then you get a group of people who come out.

00:46:13.000 Then you get Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:46:15.000 And then the media demonizes him.

00:46:17.000 They continue this pressure campaign.

00:46:19.000 What's the next step after we've already seen this and it's only getting worse?

00:46:23.000 At a certain point, there's going to be more groups like the guys with Kyle Rittenhouse emerging.

00:46:28.000 There's going to be more people doing this across the country.

00:46:31.000 You're going to get more prosecutors.

00:46:33.000 I tweeted, I think Kyle Rittenhouse will get life.

00:46:35.000 I'm exaggerating because I don't know if life is even an option based on what happened.

00:46:38.000 But I think it's going to be like Chauvin.

00:46:40.000 It would be life.

00:46:41.000 Okay.

00:46:42.000 Two counts of murder.

00:46:43.000 So there would be life in prison without possibility of early release.

00:46:46.000 And I looked at every minute of that, all the video available on Rittenhouse.

00:46:50.000 I've written about it extensively.

00:46:52.000 Can I mention my website?

00:46:53.000 I can't remember I did that.

00:46:54.000 If folks want to see what I write about these cases, it's lawofselfdefense.com.

00:46:58.000 It's all you need to know.

00:46:59.000 Lawofselfdefense.com.

00:47:01.000 And I've looked at every bit of available video.

00:47:03.000 I've done in-depth analysis based on Wisconsin law of that case just like I would do if I was retained to consult on the case.

00:47:11.000 That was lawful self-defense every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

00:47:14.000 There's no question about it.

00:47:15.000 The difficulty, the reason he's finding himself charged in this predicament, and this happens a lot in these cases, is that with the best of intentions, He put himself in an environment likely to turn violent.

00:47:26.000 He appears as if he went to the fight as opposed to the fight coming to you.

00:47:31.000 The same issue with the McCloskeys.

00:47:33.000 They went out of their house to confront the protesters.

00:47:36.000 If they'd stayed in their house and a protester tried to come into their house, They would have been good to go, 100%.

00:47:43.000 But when it appears or could be made to appear that you went to the fight rather than the fight coming to you, it begins not to look like self-defense.

00:47:50.000 Even if technically, on what the law allows, it's entirely legitimate use of force. 0.83

00:47:55.000 I don't know if you can answer this, but I'll ask anyway.

00:47:58.000 And if you can't, just feel free to say so.

00:47:59.000 But do you think Rittenhouse is going to get life?

00:48:02.000 Again, it's one of these situations, much like the Chauvin trial, where you have to ask yourself, is this case actually being decided on the legal merits?

00:48:10.000 On the legal merits, it looks to me like self-defense, 100%, all three events he was involved in.

00:48:17.000 But if it's not being judged on the legal merits, then it's just a political witch trial, essentially.

00:48:22.000 And then the outcome is all depending on, well, the political dynamics, the propagandizing around it.

00:48:27.000 And of course, people are not getting both sides of the story again.

00:48:30.000 Let me ask you a bit about this case.

00:48:32.000 I don't know if you're able to opine more on the Rittenhouse stuff.

00:48:38.000 Two people died.

00:48:39.000 A third person had his right bicep blown off.

00:48:44.000 You just said that it was self-defense every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

00:48:49.000 If he used more force against that last person, would that have been justified?

00:48:54.000 Against the person shot in the arm?

00:48:55.000 Yeah, yeah, so... Well, you're privileged to use force as long as necessary to neutralize the deadly force threat against you.

00:49:02.000 Once that deadly force threat is neutralized, you're not privileged to use force anymore.

00:49:06.000 So, to the extent the person could no longer constitute a deadly force threat, then Rittenhouse would not be privileged to use force anymore.

00:49:12.000 By the way... But would he know that, right?

00:49:14.000 So the issue is, this guy had a gun.

00:49:16.000 And it all is a factor of his reasonable perceptions.

00:49:20.000 So it's quite possible, by the way, in the Rittenhouse case, there's cases we call awful but lawful, where both parties could believe they're justified in what they're doing.

00:49:30.000 So the two guys who are chasing Rittenhouse down the street, they may have legitimately believed that they were chasing someone who just committed a murder of the first guy in the parking lot, right?

00:49:39.000 They could have believed that.

00:49:41.000 That doesn't make Rittenhouse's use of defensive force unlawful, because his conduct is judged by his reasonable perceptions.

00:49:48.000 If he believes he just defended himself against guy number one, and now he's being further attacked by guys two and three, well he's privileged to defend himself against the reasonably apparent threat those people present.

00:50:00.000 So I guess the way I was looking at it is, you know, we had a conversation before the show, This third guy, I forget his name, he's got a gun.

00:50:09.000 I believe he had a 9mm.

00:50:10.000 Do you know what kind of weapon it was?

00:50:11.000 I'm not sure.

00:50:12.000 A handgun of some kind, I'm not sure.

00:50:15.000 And he tried to grab the gun from Rittenhouse, who then fired once.

00:50:19.000 Rittenhouse then backs off.

00:50:23.000 Am I wrong in saying that in that moment, if it were you, you could have fired at the guy again?

00:50:28.000 If he still had the gun and appeared in a position to use it, then he's still a deadly force threat.

00:50:32.000 I mean, the person's attacking you with a gun, and they still have the gun.

00:50:36.000 And there were still gunshots going off, apparently.

00:50:38.000 I could be wrong.

00:50:38.000 It's been a while since we covered this, but even after he shot the guy, then he gets up, and he looks around, and then just turns around and calmly starts walking back.

00:50:47.000 I was surprised at his demeanor.

00:50:49.000 It felt like... Rittenhouse's demeanor.

00:50:51.000 Rittenhouse's demeanor.

00:50:52.000 Yeah, of course, it's hard to know what's going on in his mind, but of course he saw the police right at the end of the street.

00:50:56.000 So he was running to safety.

00:50:58.000 It appeared that he'd neutralized his attackers, so now he was able to proceed to safety.

00:51:02.000 I mean, he didn't run and hide.

00:51:04.000 He ran and presented himself to the cops, which is not the conduct of someone who's just committed murder.

00:51:10.000 I guess what I'm saying is that it feels like a lot of people have said that he was in control.

00:51:16.000 He was, you know, very much like He knew where to, like, he de-escalated essentially, right?

00:51:24.000 I guess what I'm trying to say is if somebody was standing in front of me with a 9mm in their hand, I'm not just going to, like, calmly back away as they're standing there still holding the gun, and he did.

00:51:35.000 Yeah, again, it's difficult to know what's in his mind.

00:51:36.000 I mean, as human beings, we tend to engage in a lot of mind reading from a person's demeanor.

00:51:42.000 We ask ourselves, hey, if I was in that situation, would I act the same way?

00:51:47.000 Or, if I were acting that way, what would that tell me about my own internal thought processes?

00:51:52.000 But it's very dangerous to do that, especially in the context of violent confrontations.

00:51:55.000 Most of us are not in violent confrontations.

00:51:57.000 Most of us haven't been in a fight since junior high school or wherever.

00:52:01.000 It really affects how your, the way your mind captures and stores and processes information and makes decisions under stress, especially life-threatening stress, is completely different than the normal experience.

00:52:13.000 So even Rittenhouse, if you'd asked him ahead of time, if you'd shown him that video of someone else involved in that, would have said, oh, I never would have acted that way.

00:52:21.000 You don't know until you're actually in a situation.

00:52:23.000 Well, that's, that's one of the jokes we've seen in the Micaiah Bryant case.

00:52:27.000 It's Micaiah Bryant.

00:52:28.000 I'm getting the name right, right?

00:52:29.000 Is that right?

00:52:29.000 I believe that's correct.

00:52:31.000 Okay.

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 So, uh, seeing people saying like, why didn't he shoot the knife out of her hand?

00:52:35.000 As, as have you seen that?

00:52:36.000 People actually tweeted this as if in a split second, when someone draws the knife and you have a 10th of a second to make that decision, you could aim for the hand and lead the target as the knife is moving forward to hit just the knife and not the person behind the knife.

00:52:51.000 Right.

00:52:51.000 This is what people think.

00:52:52.000 He had nine seconds to decide what he was going to do in that instance.

00:52:56.000 He got out of his car.

00:52:57.000 This was already underway.

00:52:58.000 Nine seconds between figuring out what he was going to do.

00:53:00.000 There's a reason every law enforcement officer in the country, everyone who takes a self-defense course for using a gun, is taught to shoot center mass on the threat.

00:53:08.000 Because you need those rounds to hit the actual threat, not hit innocent people downrange of the actual threat.

00:53:15.000 And by the way, unfortunately, jurors won't know that, right?

00:53:19.000 We might know that.

00:53:19.000 We've taken a self-defense course.

00:53:21.000 But most jurors don't know anything about self-defense.

00:53:23.000 They might think it's perfectly reasonable to try to shoot a knife out of someone's hands.

00:53:26.000 It's one of the reasons I tell people There's no way, just like in a physical fight, I don't care what your training is, your martial arts skills, how good you are with a gun or a knife or whatever, there's no way to reduce the risk of the physical fight to zero.

00:53:39.000 You can get it low if you're really skilled, but it's always greater than zero.

00:53:42.000 There's always a possibility you could lose that physical fight.

00:53:45.000 And unfortunately, the same is true of the legal fight.

00:53:48.000 There's no way to reduce the risk of the legal fight to zero.

00:53:51.000 You could do everything legally correct, But then you're put in front of a jury.

00:53:55.000 And if you're put in front of a jury, there's a 10% chance you're getting convicted because that's just the noise in the system.

00:54:00.000 Because they might think, a prosecutor might convince them, shooting the knife out of someone's hand is a reasonable thing to attempt.

00:54:07.000 Right. 0.99

00:54:07.000 And it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:54:08.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

00:54:09.000 I mean, especially because depending on what kind of gun you have, it's just gonna... 0.97

00:54:13.000 It's going to go behind the knife.

00:54:14.000 It's going to keep going.

00:54:15.000 Even if it hits the knife, it's not stopped by a knife held in someone's hand.

00:54:19.000 The bullet is going to continue on until, you know, there's no such thing as a miss with a bullet.

00:54:24.000 It continues going until something stops it.

00:54:27.000 It hits something.

00:54:28.000 Yeah, so looking at the Rittenhouse case and everything we've seen from the escalation of the lack of justice over the past decade or so, or at least the attempts at stripping justice away and the riots that have resulted from it, I'm worried that Rittenhouse is going to get life.

00:54:45.000 They're going to give him everything possible.

00:54:46.000 The jurors will not stand up for him.

00:54:49.000 Especially after the photos of him, I think, with some Proud Boys.

00:54:52.000 They're gonna be like, Deliberations!

00:54:54.000 10 minutes?

00:54:55.000 Can we go home now and order pizza?

00:54:57.000 Lock him up and throw away the key.

00:54:58.000 Right.

00:54:58.000 So you might be able to tell yourself, well, they're not supposed to take into consideration that picture of him with the Proud Boys.

00:55:04.000 I'm sure that won't be admissible in court as actual evidence.

00:55:07.000 But of course, the jury's not going to be sequestered any more than they were sequestered in the Chauvin case.

00:55:12.000 We don't live in the 1970s where the news is on at 6 and 10.

00:55:16.000 As long as you don't turn on your TV then, you're not exposed to the news.

00:55:19.000 We're immersed in the news constantly.

00:55:21.000 uh... those images of him with the proud boy will be displayed prominently

00:55:24.000 everyday at the trial the jury's and unavoidably going to see it

00:55:28.000 as long as seeing maxine waters an equivalent coming to town saying hey it

00:55:32.000 better be guilty or this violence is going to escalate and they'll be

00:55:35.000 rioting the whole time of course you read a jury that has no internet access

00:55:41.000 I know, you need that though.

00:55:42.000 It's impossible.

00:55:43.000 Well, it is.

00:55:43.000 It seems like it.

00:55:45.000 Change of venues?

00:55:46.000 You'd have to put them in a place.

00:55:47.000 So in the Chauvin trial, the defense made motions for change of venue almost every other day, it seemed like.

00:55:53.000 Motions for continuance, delaying the trial to a later date almost every other day.

00:55:57.000 Every time they did it, the judge rejected it.

00:55:59.000 And the judge's rationale was essentially, listen, This occurred in Minnesota.

00:56:04.000 We have to have the trial somewhere in Minnesota.

00:56:06.000 You can't have the trial in some other jurisdiction.

00:56:09.000 Is there anywhere in Minnesota where the mob's not going to show up, where we're not going to have national guardsmen, we won't need barbed wire and barriers?

00:56:16.000 The answer, he thought, was no.

00:56:19.000 So even if we change it to another venue, another jurisdiction within the state, we're still going to have the same, you know, Maxine Waters is not going to decline to go because it's in a different city in Minnesota.

00:56:32.000 I hear that and I think the judge's public statement was that, but if I were to make a guess, and I know mind reading we can't do that, I'm imagining him, you know, if I were going to make a guess about what he actually thought is, If I do this, they're gonna come and burn my house down.

00:56:49.000 I'll just, just, let's lock this guy up and get it over with.

00:56:52.000 Right, because the only solution, if that's what you believe, if you believe, hey, we hold it here, it's unfair.

00:56:57.000 It's not a fair trial.

00:56:58.000 If we move it elsewhere in Minnesota, still not a fair trial.

00:57:01.000 To me, the answer to that dilemma is not, well, we'll just give him an unfair trial here.

00:57:05.000 To me, the answer to that solution is, if we're incapable as a society of providing a fair trial, you can't try the guy.

00:57:13.000 I mean, you just dismissed the charges with prejudice, and you simply can't subject anybody to an unfair judicial process.

00:57:20.000 Could you imagine if Blackstone's formulation was still upheld to this day?

00:57:25.000 They would have said, if the judge came out and said, it's impossible to have a fair trial, and then just out of my courtroom and told all the writers, it's your fault.

00:57:34.000 Right, they would have burned the city down.

00:57:35.000 And of course, the judge knows this, which is Spineless.

00:57:38.000 Basically, they sacrificed this guy.

00:57:40.000 And again, listen, he might be guilty of criminal misconduct.

00:57:42.000 I don't know, but I do know for sure that this process did not show that.

00:57:47.000 Well, so because the process was corrupt.

00:57:48.000 Back to Rittenhouse.

00:57:49.000 What, what, do you know when the trial is supposed to be?

00:57:53.000 I believe it's currently scheduled for November, but the nature of these things is that things get rescheduled a lot, I'm sure.

00:58:01.000 Of course, Rittenhouse could push for a more accelerated trial if he wants to.

00:58:04.000 We all have a U.S.

00:58:06.000 constitutional right to a speedy trial, but generally the defendant doesn't.

00:58:10.000 They want to delay as long as possible to get as far as possible in terms of time from the event and the heat and the emotion.

00:58:17.000 I mean, there's a case in Florida where a retired cop shot somebody in a movie theater, killed him over who knows what, throwing popcorn at each other or something along those lines.

00:58:28.000 I think that's been seven years now since that happened, and that retired cop still has not gone to trial, and he's 70-something years old.

00:58:34.000 So I think the strategy is, you know, if we delay long enough, God will take him before, you know, he'll be subject to a prosecution.

00:58:41.000 I'm worried that with Rittenhouse, we're going to get another... I mean, it's great for the leftists, for the cult.

00:58:49.000 They're going to claim another victory in destroying the rule of law, proving that might makes right, they have the power, and that there's no justice in this country anymore.

00:58:59.000 But I'm scared about what that will mean to conservatives and actually anyone in this country who pays attention.

00:59:07.000 I get it.

00:59:07.000 Most of these liberals who vote for the Democrats don't watch the news.

00:59:11.000 They don't care, they don't know, whatever, CNN said it, it's fine, I guess, whatever. 0.67

00:59:15.000 But there's a lot of people, like me, who are slightly left-leaning, and do follow the news, and, you know, the group of the politically homeless, the disaffected liberals, you combine those people with moderates and conservatives, and we are watching the destruction of the justice system, and the fact that the judges, the mayors, the prosecutors, all of these people Are so pathetic and spineless that they would rather sell out justice for their own skin instead of standing up for what they believe in and leading the charge on principle. 0.64

00:59:43.000 They don't, it's, it's gone.

00:59:44.000 It could be like an evolution of our justice system.

00:59:46.000 If we, if we fix it, because I think in a modern age, those people are going to get doxxed and they probably would have their houses burned down.

00:59:52.000 And the judge might've had his wife get, remember that one judge, someone went to his house and went to her house and murdered like. 0.95

00:59:57.000 She murdered her husband and son, I think. 0.99

00:59:59.000 Her husband and son.

01:00:00.000 So I wonder if we can start to have judicial processes where it's anonymous, where you have anonymous jurors like porting into an avatar with encryption and an anonymous judge.

01:00:12.000 But you could somehow verify that they are real people.

01:00:15.000 American citizens?

01:00:16.000 I just don't see how it could work.

01:00:17.000 You'd end up with some kind of star chamber proceeding that was like a hidden justice situation like from Central America or something.

01:00:25.000 And I think we have a right to, first of all, confront the accusers, to know who our judges are, to know who the jurors are, to be actively involved and not have this information withheld from you.

01:00:35.000 And it doesn't solve the problem.

01:00:36.000 The judge is going to be known.

01:00:38.000 The expert witnesses are going to be known.

01:00:40.000 All those people are still going to be subject to pressure.

01:00:43.000 And unfortunately, you know, America is exceptional in so many ways, and one of those ways is our criminal due process protections that we have, like a right to confront your attorney, your accuser, a right to an attorney, a right to a speedy trial.

01:00:54.000 This bill is too big!

01:00:56.000 I've had that happen.

01:00:59.000 But these protections exist for a reason.

01:01:01.000 It's because they help ensure something as close to justice as human beings can create.

01:01:07.000 And when you degrade that, when you say, well, maybe that guy didn't get a fair trial, but come on, he had it coming, right?

01:01:13.000 I mean, Chauvin had it coming.

01:01:14.000 He murdered George Floyd or whoever you think might have it coming.

01:01:17.000 When you degrade that person's criminal process protections, you do it for everybody.

01:01:22.000 Right.

01:01:23.000 Because none of us can expect any more criminal due process than that guy got.

01:01:27.000 Not you, not your kids, not your wife, not your brother, not your parents. 0.55

01:01:32.000 Nobody can expect any more than we give the worst of us, which is why we've always given the worst of us those protections.

01:01:40.000 There are pro bono attorneys who go down to Guantanamo Bay to represent terrorists.

01:01:47.000 We put Nazis on trial after World War II, and now we have a large faction of people in this country who want to destroy that.

01:01:55.000 And did you hear what many of these people were saying in the Chauvin trial?

01:01:59.000 You had prominent outlets saying, the nation said, something to the effect of, in a reasonable world there wouldn't have even been a trial.

01:02:05.000 He should have just taken the plea and it would be over.

01:02:07.000 You have prominent activists on Twitter saying, why are we even holding a trial?

01:02:11.000 We all watched it on video.

01:02:13.000 They don't care for the rule of law.

01:02:15.000 No.

01:02:15.000 And that's unfortunate because that's not really a world that I think any of us would want to live in.

01:02:21.000 Unfortunately, I think the judge and the jurors are not getting due process either, because with the crowd mob mentality and the ability for people to organize on Twitter and docs and like go to their house that day and be like, hey, I'm not in, you know, Louisiana, but you are go get this address in Louisiana.

01:02:37.000 They're not safe.

01:02:38.000 Sure, but if you're like a spineless coward like Judge Cahill, then you shouldn't be a judge. 0.97

01:02:44.000 Well, in reality, if your choice is he's gonna die or I'm gonna die, and that's just your job, what are you gonna choose? 0.99

01:02:50.000 Well, if you're a coward, you'll let the innocent person suffer to save your own skin.

01:02:56.000 But if you're brave and principled, you will say, I will stand my ground, so be it. 1.00

01:03:01.000 And then you'll die.

01:03:01.000 That's a lot to expect from a civil servant.

01:03:04.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:03:05.000 It may be the standard we should expect, arguably, but it's a lot to expect.

01:03:11.000 It's insane to expect that.

01:03:15.000 That's not a way to survive a society.

01:03:17.000 No, you can't expect the judges to sacrifice themselves.

01:03:21.000 If every single judge, every time, said, F you, you will not terrorize me into putting an innocent man in prison, we would not have this problem.

01:03:31.000 I don't think so.

01:03:31.000 I think that then they would get destroyed.

01:03:33.000 By who?

01:03:34.000 By what?

01:03:34.000 By the angry mob.

01:03:36.000 And then the government would put new, obedient judges into place.

01:03:39.000 It's an issue of complacent, spineless, and feckless leadership.

01:03:43.000 The prosecutors who won't prosecute the rioters.

01:03:46.000 The police who grovel and lick the boots of their democratic leadership that sells them out.

01:03:50.000 And you have a system where, as you mentioned, prosecutors are like, I'm going to pass the buck.

01:03:55.000 I don't want to be involved.

01:03:57.000 Grow a spine and go on TV and say, this is what happened.

01:04:00.000 If you've got a problem with it, I don't know what to tell you.

01:04:02.000 It's part of why we have covert ops.

01:04:04.000 You don't want to know who, or you're not supposed to know who the people spying on you are because you'll go, they'll go get executed.

01:04:09.000 So you kind of, I don't, I don't necessarily think we need like secret judges and juries making these like behind the scenes decisions, but if there was a way to protect their identities, That, I think, is the future of judiciary America.

01:04:24.000 The public has a right to know.

01:04:26.000 I do agree with that, but only to know that they're real people.

01:04:29.000 You don't need to know their identities.

01:04:31.000 I disagree.

01:04:32.000 What if the government starts putting up juries of a bunch of tech billionaires?

01:04:36.000 And you're just like, well, they're real people.

01:04:37.000 We know it's true.

01:04:38.000 We don't know who they are.

01:04:39.000 And it's all a bunch of billionaires or gang members or whatever.

01:04:42.000 You don't give the government the power to do that.

01:04:45.000 Government needs to be transparent.

01:04:46.000 The problem is, all of these politicians in Minnesota are sitting there thinking like, well, I'm more important than anyone else.

01:04:52.000 I don't care about my community or the betterment of my children's future.

01:04:56.000 I would rather sell everyone else out to save my own skin.

01:04:59.000 That's what they're saying.

01:05:00.000 Well, I think they think it's a transient problem.

01:05:02.000 I think they're thinking, hey, we got this George Floyd trial going on now, the Chauvin trial.

01:05:06.000 Let's just get through it.

01:05:07.000 We'll get through it.

01:05:08.000 It'll be over.

01:05:08.000 If we can get through it without the city incurring a billion dollars in property damage and a bunch of other people getting killed, well, that means we've got to sacrifice one cop, maybe not give him perfect due process of law.

01:05:18.000 Well, that's just the price we're going to pay.

01:05:20.000 We're not going to...

01:05:22.000 We're not going to incur those billions of dollars of property.

01:05:24.000 And that's even before you get to their own self-interest.

01:05:26.000 My job, my career, my safety.

01:05:28.000 So they can frame it in their minds as doing the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

01:05:33.000 And let's face it, it's not like Chauvin fell off a building onto George Floyd.

01:05:37.000 He was actively using force on George Floyd.

01:05:40.000 And they may tell themselves, listen, he took the job as a cop.

01:05:43.000 This is one of the risks, especially in this political environment.

01:05:46.000 He could have retired the year before.

01:05:48.000 Right?

01:05:48.000 And not been doing that.

01:05:49.000 He has that right.

01:05:50.000 No one was making him be a cop.

01:05:52.000 And that's why I say any one of these cops in Minnesota right now, the next time this happens, Kim Potter, I don't care.

01:05:59.000 They can lock Kim Potter up.

01:06:00.000 You ever, what was it?

01:06:01.000 Second degree manslaughter.

01:06:01.000 Was that 10 years?

01:06:04.000 I'd have to check.

01:06:04.000 It's something in that range, 10 to 20 years.

01:06:06.000 And then she'll probably get four or something because she's no criminal history.

01:06:10.000 You know, but there's other aggravating factors.

01:06:13.000 So once they decide it's a crime, they convict you on anything, well then you're a criminal.

01:06:16.000 And then you committed the crime while in police uniform, wearing a badge.

01:06:20.000 And that becomes an aggravating factor for sentencing.

01:06:22.000 I mean that's what Chauvin's looking at now.

01:06:24.000 Under normal sentencing guidelines with no priors, he'd be looking at about 10 years, which means he'd get out in like six years.

01:06:31.000 But they filed what they call, for Blakely, aggravating factors.

01:06:35.000 He was a cop, wearing a badge, in uniform, in front of children, part of a group of people, the other police officers involved, so he could be looking at way more time than 10 years.

01:06:45.000 Do you think these officers in Minnesota would hesitate to arrest you on a gun charge if you were constitutionally bearing Constitutionally expressing your right to bear arms?

01:06:55.000 Not if it violated a Minnesota statute.

01:06:57.000 They'd arrest you in a heartbeat.

01:06:58.000 On the spot.

01:06:59.000 And so you have these cops that you see the violence and the destruction happening in these places.

01:07:05.000 They also don't want law-abiding citizens to have the ability to defend themselves.

01:07:09.000 Now, I understand the cops aren't the ones who made the laws.

01:07:11.000 But being the ones who enforce it at a time when the city has been attacked, when buildings have been destroyed, the police department is under threat, and they still work to support a system they know is crooked, after everything that happened, they would still, without hesitation, take away your right to defend yourself as a law-abiding citizen, and then, after choosing to stand in a burning building, While threatening my rights to self-defense, expect me to defend them?

01:07:35.000 Never gonna happen.

01:07:36.000 Kim Potter can go to prison for all I care. 1.00

01:07:38.000 She chose this.

01:07:39.000 She knows what the corrupt spineless politicians are doing. 1.00

01:07:42.000 And I have no sympathy for anybody who chooses to stand in a burning building when I say get out and they don't.

01:07:46.000 Well, a lot of them are getting out.

01:07:48.000 Some of them, you know, they may make different choices.

01:07:52.000 But the fact is, every cop knows that he doesn't work for himself.

01:07:55.000 He's not his own law enforcement agency.

01:07:57.000 He works for a hierarchy of people above him, and ultimately he works for politicians.

01:08:02.000 His police chief, the guy at the top of his department, that is a political position, folks.

01:08:06.000 That's not a law enforcement position, just because he wears a uniform and has a badge.

01:08:10.000 He's not a cop anymore.

01:08:12.000 He's a politician now.

01:08:14.000 So ultimately, the cops don't work for themselves.

01:08:16.000 They work for the politicians.

01:08:18.000 If they don't like doing that, then they can't keep the job.

01:08:22.000 They shouldn't.

01:08:23.000 I mean, after everything that's happened, my attitude is, for one, if you're still going to stay in these cities where all of these problems are happening, it's not just happening in a vacuum.

01:08:34.000 It's not like all of a sudden I'm standing alongside these leftists being like, yeah, all cops are bad.

01:08:38.000 No, no, no, I'm not saying that at all.

01:08:39.000 What I'm saying is we had, we had a, a, what, what are we going on now?

01:08:43.000 Almost a year of riots.

01:08:45.000 Now, before the election, we had months of rioting.

01:08:49.000 We had a political system supporting the rioters.

01:08:52.000 We had Kamala Harris soliciting funds for the rioters, Joe Biden's staff donating funds for the rioters, absolute support for the chaos and the destruction, and an establishment media saying peaceful protests while there are fire raging behind them.

01:09:06.000 And I said, okay, let's defend, you know, our police officers.

01:09:11.000 Not all perfect.

01:09:12.000 Should be police accountability.

01:09:13.000 I respect all that.

01:09:14.000 The trial I get, let's have a fair trial.

01:09:17.000 Let's have some police reform.

01:09:19.000 The argument didn't work.

01:09:20.000 The people decided that they should vote for those who supported the rioters.

01:09:24.000 We are seeing an escalation of, or I should say, a collapse of our justice system.

01:09:28.000 And there are still, to this day, cops saying, I'm going to sit here in a burning building.

01:09:32.000 Okay.

01:09:33.000 Well, when the fire started, and we all tried putting it out, and it didn't work, and the fire took over the building, then I said, time to get out of the building, guys.

01:09:40.000 He said, nah, I'm cool, I'll stay.

01:09:41.000 I said, alright.

01:09:42.000 So when the building comes down on you, don't expect me to get sad.

01:09:44.000 It's a real dilemma, right?

01:09:45.000 Because what choices do the cops have?

01:09:47.000 They can stay, or they can go.

01:09:49.000 If they go, they're not cops anymore.

01:09:51.000 So they're not helping us there, right?

01:09:52.000 They're not good...

01:09:54.000 Why not what?

01:09:55.000 How is it not helping?

01:09:56.000 If they're going to stay in a city that is... If they're supporting corrupt politicians and corrupt judges... I'm just saying, if they leave the job, they're not fighting crime anymore, right?

01:10:05.000 They're not serving that societal purpose anymore because they're no longer police.

01:10:09.000 They've left the job.

01:10:10.000 If they stay, maybe they feel they can still, most of the time, do something for crime.

01:10:15.000 But yes, admittedly, by staying, you're working for the body politic that gives you that job.

01:10:20.000 And you've got...

01:10:23.000 Residents of these cities who don't want to do anything to support the police, to express their support for police?

01:10:29.000 Well, apparently quite the opposite.

01:10:31.000 Why are people marching on the streets?

01:10:32.000 Well, they're voting for the prosecutors, and they're voting for the mayors, and they're voting for, you know, they're supporting the anti-police initiative in these cities.

01:10:40.000 So then what gives these cops the right to reject the will of the people and think they can stay here and go into these neighborhoods where they don't, where they aren't wanted?

01:10:47.000 Well, they can, because the politicians say you can go.

01:10:51.000 Don't be surprised when we serve you up in the next witch trial. 0.95

01:10:56.000 So these cops... And the good ones won't stay.

01:10:58.000 I mean, any that can get out with any fraction of whatever they've earned in terms of a pension.

01:11:04.000 They're going to leave.

01:11:06.000 They'll leave the profession entirely, or they'll join the state police, or the sheriff's department, or move to some other jurisdiction entirely.

01:11:12.000 They'll get out while they can.

01:11:13.000 You know, when you look at all the... They had a lot of police testify for the state during the Chauvin trial.

01:11:18.000 None of them were street cops.

01:11:20.000 They were from the academy.

01:11:21.000 They were trainers.

01:11:23.000 Or they were an 80-year-old or 70-year-old homicide detective who doesn't do street work anymore.

01:11:28.000 He shows up after everything's done and talks to witnesses.

01:11:31.000 Or they had a sergeant who, again, shows up after the fact.

01:11:35.000 If there's been certain use of force threshold reached, you have to call your sergeant so he can write a report.

01:11:40.000 But none of them are making hands-on arrests.

01:11:43.000 They didn't call any street cops.

01:11:44.000 You know who called the street cop?

01:11:46.000 The defense called the street cop.

01:11:47.000 The guy who was involved in the first George Floyd intentional ingestion of drugs related arrest.

01:11:55.000 And he was there to attest to the body cam video.

01:11:58.000 And he was like, yeah, no, this is what George Floyd does.

01:12:01.000 This should have been entirely expected because this is the same behavior that I experienced.

01:12:05.000 And he stepped right through it.

01:12:07.000 And there's a reason the prosecution didn't call any actual street cops, because they didn't want street cop testimony in that trial.

01:12:14.000 What they got were the cops who were still there, who weren't on the street because they're in the academy, they're in headquarters, they're in senior homicide positions, where they're not actually expected to go hands-on with anybody.

01:12:25.000 I look at what's going on in many of these cities and just think, the cops at this point who are staying are propping up a corrupt system and they're allowing it to persist.

01:12:35.000 And it's more than that.

01:12:36.000 I, for a while, operated under the assumption that regular people wanted police.

01:12:40.000 And I noticed a lot of conservatives do this, where it's like, clearly people want crime to be stopped.

01:12:46.000 But then I saw the Micaiah Bryant thing.

01:12:49.000 And I saw that incident in New York City where a woman got shot in the head.

01:12:52.000 And I realized something.

01:12:54.000 They're telling us, in no uncertain terms, and we're just not getting it through our thick skulls.

01:12:59.000 When a woman shoots another woman in the head in New York, it's not news. 0.94

01:13:03.000 No one cares.

01:13:03.000 Trump doesn't show up.

01:13:04.000 There's no lawsuits.

01:13:05.000 No lawyers.

01:13:05.000 No one complains.

01:13:07.000 Cops don't got to do anything. 1.00

01:13:07.000 Cops aren't at risk. 1.00

01:13:08.000 Cops are fine.

01:13:09.000 The people want to live that way.

01:13:11.000 When Micaiah Bryant is fighting and she pulls a knife and tries to stab someone, the cop intervenes immediately in that body camera footage.

01:13:17.000 I was amazed to see.

01:13:19.000 The people turn at the cops and start yelling, what did you do?

01:13:21.000 Why did you do that?

01:13:22.000 It's like, didn't you just watch this lady wind up with the knife?

01:13:26.000 And then I thought to myself, it's clear.

01:13:28.000 They're not lying.

01:13:29.000 They're literally saying, let us have neighborhoods riddled with violence and crime.

01:13:33.000 We want that.

01:13:34.000 We don't want you to intervene.

01:13:36.000 In fact, there was one instance recently where I think someone had their kid killed.

01:13:41.000 I can't remember what the story was.

01:13:43.000 The guy's refusing to talk to the cops about it at all.

01:13:45.000 And he said, we do not want cops coming in our neighborhood, period.

01:13:49.000 And I'm like, then why are cops still doing it?

01:13:52.000 Why is anyone demanding they should?

01:13:54.000 No, the cops should leave because the people have asked them to.

01:13:57.000 Right.

01:13:57.000 That simple.

01:13:59.000 And of course, every cop knows now that if he does go hand on with a suspect, the first thing that's going to happen is all the bystanders are going to come to the immediate conclusion that his use of force was inappropriate, unlawful.

01:14:09.000 And those are exactly the kinds of witnesses that were brought up in the Chauvin trial.

01:14:13.000 By the way, they mostly testified about their feelings about what happened, which should not be relevant in a criminal prosecution.

01:14:20.000 Frankly, they should not have been permitted to say those words.

01:14:22.000 When they said those words, it should have been objected to by the defense.

01:14:25.000 I wondered why the defense didn't object at the time.

01:14:27.000 Sometimes there's a broader strategy that pays off later where you don't want to be objecting even when you have the privilege.

01:14:34.000 Unfortunately, I never saw the payback appear later during the trial, so I'm not sure what the defense counsel was there for.

01:14:39.000 They're supposed to testify about facts, their observations of what happened, not their feelings about what happened.

01:14:46.000 We had witness after witness after witness literally gasp and cry and tear on the witness stand.

01:14:54.000 That alone should be grounds for a reversal of this conviction.

01:14:59.000 So I wanted to talk about... I thought I had this pulled up.

01:15:03.000 It's probably here somewhere.

01:15:04.000 Where is it?

01:15:06.000 I don't know.

01:15:07.000 Well, we have the Supreme Court's going to be taking up a case on gun rights.

01:15:11.000 And so, throughout all of this, if one thing can be said, it's that we have record gun sales.

01:15:17.000 You know, we're seeing more first-time gun buyers than, you know, record-breaking first-time gun buyers.

01:15:24.000 People want to defend themselves.

01:15:25.000 And now there's huge news where gun rights advocates are really excited the Supreme Court is going to rule on whether or not the right to keep and bear arms exists outside of your home.

01:15:35.000 But I do think it's funny that a lot of people think it's going to be a positive, and the left seems to think it's going to be a negative.

01:15:41.000 Probably because the court is, I guess on paper, 6-3, even though it's probably more likely 5-4.

01:15:46.000 There's a good possibility that they rule against gun rights, and based on the track record we've seen over the past couple of years, it seems more likely to me that the Supreme Court is going to rule we don't have the right to keep and bear arms.

01:15:59.000 I don't understand the people in the gun community who are just assuming that this is going to be a positive outcome on this case.

01:16:04.000 I mean, were they happy with how the Supreme Court dealt with the election issues after the presidential election?

01:16:10.000 Because they basically just washed their hands of the whole affair.

01:16:14.000 Maybe that was appropriate, maybe not.

01:16:15.000 I'm not an expert in election law, not even really an expert in gun law.

01:16:19.000 My expertise is use of force law.

01:16:21.000 But, you know, politics is downstream of culture.

01:16:24.000 And to think that you could lose the culture, lose the legislature, lose the executive branch, and somehow the Supreme Court's going to step in with a cape and save you at the end, strikes me as an unrealistic expectation for any kind of sustained society.

01:16:38.000 I'm looking at everything that's going on.

01:16:40.000 You know, we've been talking a lot about the Chauvin trial, and frankly, the injustice.

01:16:45.000 I mean, a juror flat out saying she was scared of riots and destruction.

01:16:50.000 I think that's all you need to hear, but obviously you can see with your own eyes how it was influencing the jury.

01:16:55.000 Now we have the very real prospect that come, well, you know, it could be good.

01:16:59.000 It could be bad, but I'm, I'm, I'm sorry if I'm being pessimistic, but come October, it's October 4th, I think is when they're going to hear the, hear the case.

01:17:07.000 They could come out and take away our rights.

01:17:09.000 And I think that's the, that's the trend so far.

01:17:11.000 Things have been just seemingly, seemingly, seemingly getting worse in terms of our rights in these areas.

01:17:16.000 Well, I think the worst case scenario is not that the Supreme Court says you can't concealed carry anymore if you're allowed to do it currently in your state.

01:17:24.000 They're not going to take away a right, but what they would do is leave on the table the option that, hey, if a state wants to take away that right, they're privileged to do that.

01:17:32.000 New Jersey doesn't want to give you a concealed carry permit.

01:17:34.000 New York doesn't.

01:17:36.000 Maryland doesn't.

01:17:36.000 I'm not sure how things work here.

01:17:38.000 But if the state decides that you basically don't have a right to carry a firearm outside of your home, the state's free to do that.

01:17:45.000 It wouldn't affect you if you live in a state where you're currently allowed to carry, unless of course the politics in your state changes.

01:17:51.000 Like in my home state of Colorado, they just passed some new gun control laws in the last week or so.

01:17:56.000 The state is becoming more like California, less than the Colorado I moved into.

01:18:01.000 I don't expect gun laws to get better there over time.

01:18:04.000 And if they know they have the permission of the Supreme Court to crank down and diminish the right to keep and bear arms, I expect that they'll take advantage of that.

01:18:13.000 So I'm curious though, by what logic could the Supreme Court say the right to keep and bear arms doesn't exist outside of your home?

01:18:21.000 Well, there's no logical basis, but if you read any of these Second Amendment decisions that favor gun control, especially like decisions out of the Ninth Circuit, for example, in California, read the decision.

01:18:30.000 It's not a legally reasoned decision.

01:18:33.000 It's what I call word salad.

01:18:35.000 They're just making noises.

01:18:36.000 It's like listening to someone argue with their spouse, and one of them is being completely unreasonable just to kind of score points on the other.

01:18:43.000 They're just saying what they think they need to say in order to justify affirming an infringement of the Second Amendment, but it's not based on reason.

01:18:51.000 These are emotional, not rational decisions.

01:18:54.000 So like talking about mass shootings and things like that?

01:18:58.000 It's arguments like, well, why would you ever need more than, like, six rounds in a gun, right?

01:19:02.000 Which is what New York State had for some time.

01:19:04.000 Maybe still it was a six-round maximum limit.

01:19:07.000 But wasn't it you could have, like, a ten-round magazine, but you could only put six bullets in it?

01:19:10.000 Only six bullets in it.

01:19:11.000 I mean, and by the way, it's also important to keep in mind that, of course, none of these laws, none of them, actually affect bad actors.

01:19:20.000 Bad actors don't obey gun laws.

01:19:23.000 They don't do background checks.

01:19:24.000 They buy their guns out of the trunks of cars, or they send their girlfriends or mothers into the gun store to buy the gun as a straw purchase.

01:19:33.000 They don't have any respect for magazine limits.

01:19:35.000 They don't care about not being allowed to carry in a school zone.

01:19:38.000 They are criminals, which means they don't obey the law.

01:19:42.000 So all these If one of the criteria for infringing appropriately on a constitutional right is supposed to be, at least it will accomplish the desired effect, well then gun control laws by their very nature can't do that because they don't affect the criminal actor.

01:19:59.000 So we've got an erosion of the criminal justice system and an erosion of the right to self-defense.

01:20:04.000 Is the goal just to destroy the country?

01:20:06.000 Is that hyperbolic?

01:20:10.000 I don't think the people making those arguments would claim that's the goal, but I believe from their perception, the goal is the accumulation of political capital for some, and frankly, just straight up financial capital for others.

01:20:23.000 And they are gaining political capital.

01:20:25.000 I mean, they get elected to these offices, they get put in charge, they are making the decisions.

01:20:30.000 And if people don't like those decisions, they would need to elect other politicians.

01:20:35.000 But they don't.

01:20:37.000 They don't.

01:20:38.000 Because most people aren't paying attention, most people don't care.

01:20:40.000 That's the interesting thing about the whole vote argument.

01:20:42.000 Are you familiar with Starship Troopers?

01:20:44.000 Very much so.

01:20:46.000 Service guarantees citizenship?

01:20:47.000 Is that what it was?

01:20:48.000 So, we have a country right now where the right to vote is...

01:20:53.000 What's the right word?

01:20:56.000 Voting is becoming increasingly more and more universal to the point where the Democrats have argued that 16-year-olds should have a right to vote.

01:21:03.000 My argument has been like, well, I'm not saying it should be, you know, impossible to vote or we should go back to the way it was where you'd be a landowner or anything, but I certainly think at the very least you have to choose to vote if you want to vote, right?

01:21:14.000 So we see the unsolicited mail-in ballots being sent to people.

01:21:17.000 They're not even choosing to vote and they're getting sent the ballots.

01:21:19.000 So they're going to, I don't know, whatever, sure.

01:21:21.000 Right, so politics and public policy are not my area of expertise, but I would note that it's, to my mind, it's an open question whether universal democracy is a system that can work.

01:21:32.000 There's a legitimate concern that once the majority of 51% realizes they can simply vote themselves, the resources of the 49%, that you don't have a functioning society anymore because the 49% will not be subjugated like that. 0.58

01:21:47.000 They will not accept that.

01:21:48.000 The U.S.

01:21:49.000 was set up to have a Bill of Rights partly to constrain the government and its ability to infringe on our natural rights, but also to provide protections for the minority.

01:22:01.000 So just having 51% did not entitle you to do anything you wanted.

01:22:06.000 There were constraints on the government for just that purpose.

01:22:10.000 It's interesting because you hear the argument from many Democrats, more of the corporate type, that a fringe minority has 50 Senate seats or whatever.

01:22:21.000 It's like, you look at these states like Wyoming and they got two senators and it's like, right, because you're not supposed to have the right to oppress the minority.

01:22:27.000 It's supposed to be that compromise is required and one state doesn't get to tell another state what to do just because there's more people living there.

01:22:34.000 It's not a direct democracy.

01:22:35.000 Well, also the Senators were not originally voted by popular vote.

01:22:39.000 The Senators were not supposed to be representing the people.

01:22:42.000 The Senators were representing the states, the states as independent political entities.

01:22:48.000 The House of Representatives represented the people, House of Representatives.

01:22:53.000 The Senators were the political actors for the state themselves as separate political entities in conflict with the federal government.

01:23:01.000 Well, now everything is just slowly broken apart.

01:23:04.000 I think it was Ben Sasse, is that his name?

01:23:06.000 He said we should repeal, I think it was the 17th?

01:23:09.000 That's the one that made the senators elected by the people as opposed to appointed by the state?

01:23:15.000 I think you're correct.

01:23:16.000 Yeah, so it was interesting when I saw that because it's an interesting argument.

01:23:20.000 If you were at the local level voting for your local politicians, if you elected the right people, they would appoint the right senator.

01:23:26.000 You'd be happy with it.

01:23:28.000 But what's happened now is no one even knows who their local politicians are.

01:23:31.000 They have no idea who represents their county or, I mean, even their state.

01:23:34.000 Well, one of the dynamics I think we increasingly see is that if you wanted to buy elections, you wanted to buy politicians just with money, no popular support for those people, you wouldn't target a thousand small elections.

01:23:49.000 You'd target a handful of big elections.

01:23:52.000 Governors.

01:23:53.000 Presidents.

01:23:54.000 And I think we're seeing a lot of states where the legislature may be Republican, maybe by a large majority, and somehow they have a Democrat governor.

01:24:01.000 Right.

01:24:02.000 How does that happen?

01:24:03.000 Well, it happens because money comes in to support that Democrat politician to win that single race.

01:24:08.000 You focus all your energies on that race, you let the other team win.

01:24:12.000 win all the smaller elections.

01:24:14.000 Because as long as you hold that executive branch office, you can veto whatever the legislature does, unless you're able to override your veto.

01:24:20.000 But it's a disproportionate amount of power that if you expended that money in a bunch of little races and came up with only 49%, then you effectively have no power.

01:24:29.000 This is why I'm a big fan of, or at least I like to entertain the idea that we don't allow people to donate outside of their districts where they live, where they declare residency.

01:24:39.000 Because you look at someone like Ocasio-Cortez, and she gets millions, you know, plus from outside of her district.

01:24:45.000 Pretty sure the same is true for Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:24:47.000 Not a fan of any of it.

01:24:48.000 The people who live in the area should be the ones making the decisions.

01:24:51.000 Instead, people are dumping money not only into the donations of the candidate themselves, but into commercials in those districts to swing these elections.

01:24:59.000 And then you get people in Hollywood, Going into Republican areas and getting Democrats to win these races.

01:25:06.000 Right.

01:25:06.000 So how do you stop that?

01:25:07.000 Right.

01:25:08.000 I mean, I understand the motivation behind a lot of this election funding regulation laws that are passed.

01:25:14.000 I just don't ever see it being effective because there's always ways to work around it.

01:25:18.000 And then there's non-monetary ways to support a politician that you can't do anything about.

01:25:23.000 If movie stars are going to come in and campaign for one person running for an election, that's going to have an influence, if only because they'll get TV time.

01:25:32.000 It's effectively free TV commercial space for that politician. 0.64

01:25:35.000 And I don't see any way to stop that from happening.

01:25:37.000 You're right, right.

01:25:38.000 And for me on this show, you know, Ian brought this up the last time we talked about it.

01:25:41.000 Well, by the nature of having a show with viewers, it would give me more power over anyone else because I can do a show from wherever I want and speak who I think is the right person to win, and it's powerful, it's influence.

01:25:53.000 So it's difficult.

01:25:54.000 What ends up happening is we have a system where the people of New York's 14th did not legitimately, in my opinion, or I should say, didn't...

01:26:05.000 What's the right word I want to say?

01:26:07.000 Knowledgeably, right?

01:26:08.000 Like, they didn't understand what they were voting for fairly.

01:26:11.000 And I don't mean to single out AOC's district.

01:26:13.000 It's basically every district, save a few smaller ones in certain areas no one really cares to fight over.

01:26:19.000 But many of these people are just given propaganda.

01:26:22.000 It's Republicans and Democrats.

01:26:23.000 It's every single... There's very little honesty in politics, period.

01:26:28.000 Right, so what percentage of the populace who can vote, votes anyway?

01:26:32.000 Like in a presidential election?

01:26:33.000 Is it even half?

01:26:34.000 Something like that?

01:26:35.000 I think it was more than half this time around.

01:26:37.000 And how many do it in a pro-forma basis, where they're just, hey, it's my obligation, I'll just show up and vote?

01:26:42.000 They're not really informed about the issues.

01:26:44.000 And that's in the higher level races.

01:26:46.000 So when you get to the lower races, like we talked about earlier, with who your local prosecutor is, they have no idea who those names are.

01:26:54.000 None.

01:26:54.000 And so if somebody can drop in a few TV commercials in that district, they just became the prosecutor in that district.

01:27:01.000 I wish it was possible to say, hey, your vote doesn't count unless it's a well-informed decision.

01:27:06.000 But we don't have a mechanism for doing that.

01:27:10.000 Service guarantees citizenship.

01:27:12.000 I'm only, I'm only, uh, I'm, I'm actually, I wouldn't say half kidding.

01:27:15.000 75% kidding.

01:27:16.000 I like the idea of having some kind of civic requirement for being involved in, in, in civics in some capacity.

01:27:22.000 But I say 75% kidding because I wouldn't even know how you'd implement that.

01:27:26.000 Right?

01:27:27.000 How, how would this restrict certain people who shouldn't be?

01:27:29.000 How would it, you know, not restrict to those who should be? 0.98

01:27:32.000 None of us would go out to our local supermarket and canvas the first 20 people we meet to ask them how they should run their own household.

01:27:39.000 Right?

01:27:39.000 What should I wear today?

01:27:40.000 You're not going to ask other people.

01:27:41.000 What should I invest my money in? 0.95

01:27:42.000 Because you'll get lunatic responses.

01:27:44.000 But all those people get to elect your government for you.

01:27:47.000 Right.

01:27:48.000 Does that make sense?

01:27:49.000 I don't know.

01:27:49.000 In our system of government, that's the public policy decision.

01:27:52.000 Human beings have had different systems throughout history.

01:27:55.000 I'm not sure a universal Democrat majority rules everything.

01:28:01.000 Polity is one that's long-term sustainable. 0.94

01:28:04.000 No, it's not right now.

01:28:05.000 The cult worship thing where like you put one person in power and then that one person becomes like the cult leader, like Rand Paul.

01:28:13.000 He's a target for bribes and they just get massive investments.

01:28:17.000 Rand Paul is a target for bribes?

01:28:18.000 All of them.

01:28:19.000 I just picked him randomly.

01:28:20.000 Rand's like one of the only ones I like.

01:28:21.000 Pick somebody else.

01:28:22.000 He's still bribe-able.

01:28:23.000 Like a corporation comes in with 60 million or take him out to dinner or lunch and they want to fund his pack or his campaign.

01:28:28.000 And not Rand, not you, any of these people.

01:28:31.000 So that's like a weak point in our system is that we have these individuals that can be bribed and bought and commercials can be run.

01:28:38.000 It's not so simple though.

01:28:39.000 When Marco Rubio was doing a town hall, they questioned him.

01:28:42.000 They said, I think it was Rubio.

01:28:43.000 It might've been Ted Cruz.

01:28:44.000 They were like, you're You're getting money from the NRA, and he's like, yeah, they just give me money because they like what I already do.

01:28:48.000 They're not bribing me.

01:28:49.000 But the perspective was, no, you've been bribed by them.

01:28:51.000 It's like, no, I'm pro-gun, so they gave me money because they want me to win.

01:28:54.000 But this is just another way of saying they're all human beings.

01:28:58.000 I mean, if you look at the Roman Empire during Caesar, he had the same drivers.

01:29:01.000 He needed money.

01:29:02.000 He went to war because that's how you acquired money.

01:29:05.000 He had to pay off debts, debts he accumulated by running for elections and getting political favors.

01:29:10.000 This is just the normal, this is what people do.

01:29:13.000 This is how you work with other people to build political capital.

01:29:17.000 It's not because everyone's perfect and pure in their hearts.

01:29:22.000 But you know what I think the problem is?

01:29:24.000 We are seeing an increasing detachment from community, where you have judges or prosecutors or individuals who just say, I don't care about my neighbor and I don't care about my country.

01:29:34.000 I think the bigger problem is we're becoming more emotionally driven.

01:29:38.000 And I think that's largely because of the way social media works today.

01:29:41.000 I think that the news media has always been a powerful influencer of how people see the world.

01:29:46.000 I mean, William Hearst bought newspapers so he could influence the world.

01:29:50.000 Because he could... People only know what they see.

01:29:52.000 They know what they read.

01:29:53.000 If they don't see it and read it, it doesn't exist.

01:29:56.000 It's invisible to them.

01:29:57.000 So what they see written and how they see it portrayed becomes their lived reality.

01:30:03.000 In the era, but that was when you might get a morning paper or an evening paper or see the news at six o'clock or ten o'clock for 30 minutes at a time.

01:30:10.000 Now we're all immersed in this stream of propaganda and emotive clicking and baiting all day long.

01:30:18.000 I mean, personally, I've taken the social media apps off my smartphone just to not be constantly interrupted and subject to that.

01:30:26.000 If this if these social media platforms were drugs, Is there any doubt they would be controlled substances?

01:30:32.000 Is it any doubt you'd have to be 21 or 38 or 42 before you could legally access that kind of content?

01:30:40.000 They're drugs.

01:30:41.000 And there would only be a few that would be legal like alcohol.

01:30:43.000 It would be YouTube or Facebook or Twitter and all the other ones would be controlled.

01:30:48.000 I think we're on the verge of, uh, I think, I think the internet as we know it is, has been ending for some time.

01:30:54.000 I think, you know, it was the wild west several, you know, 10, 20 years ago.

01:30:58.000 Now it's becoming more and more corporatized.

01:30:59.000 We're seeing, you know, YouTube lock everything down.

01:31:03.000 They're picking the winners and the losers.

01:31:04.000 They're getting rid of a lot of what they don't like.

01:31:06.000 Twitter's doing the same thing.

01:31:07.000 They're trying to homogenize and create a monoculture.

01:31:11.000 Now I will add one last thing.

01:31:13.000 What's going on in Florida with this bill that passed the Senate about censorship is going to be like a nuclear bomb being dropped in social media and the internet.

01:31:21.000 Because the way I understand it, this would end Wikipedia as we know it.

01:31:25.000 It's just gone.

01:31:26.000 Wikipedia can't exist.

01:31:27.000 Because they wouldn't be able to remove news sources they deem unreliable because that would violate the law, which says you can't remove a journalistic enterprise for their content or opinions.

01:31:37.000 But the politicians who voted for that, can they realistically stay politicians if they're demonized by social media, if they're outcast, if they're removed from those platforms, when even the sitting president of the United States has trouble with social media platforms?

01:31:52.000 If you're a local politician in Florida and you can't Facebook or tweet or use social media to communicate with your constituents, but your opponent in the race can, Do you really stand a chance? That's why they passed the

01:32:04.000 law or that's why it's it's almost it's going through it went to the

01:32:07.000 Senate and that's why ronda sanders wants to sign it because it has to be done now before it's too late and it 1.00

01:32:11.000 may already Already be too late. And if if they've done this back in

01:32:14.000 2018 When I recall when I called the republicans too stupid to 0.99

01:32:18.000 deal with the problem to save their own careers And then sure enough they ended up losing what like 30 1.00

01:32:21.000 something seats So there it is

01:32:24.000 Hopefully that you know what they do there will have an impact but uh that being said let's go to super chats my

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01:32:47.000 review. Let's read some super chats. All right. Well Bye for now.

01:32:51.000 I got bad news for the first super chat.

01:32:52.000 YouTube has a bar blocking your name.

01:32:54.000 I can't read it.

01:32:55.000 I don't know why they do that.

01:32:56.000 But you said, Hi mates from the UK here.

01:32:59.000 Can I get a shout out for Voice of Wales?

01:33:01.000 A small channel.

01:33:02.000 As both the Labour Party and the BBC both lobbied YouTube and Twitter to get them cancelled for not being woke enough.

01:33:08.000 Cheers.

01:33:09.000 Right on.

01:33:10.000 Jordan Jones says, I hope the 2A case makes its way through the court before May 15th so I know whether or not to send my tax payment to the IRS or just give it to TX.

01:33:19.000 Well, Texas.

01:33:21.000 They're not going to hear that case till October, right?

01:33:23.000 I honestly don't know what the schedule is.

01:33:26.000 And then whenever they hear it, it's weeks or months before we actually get a decision out of them.

01:33:30.000 Wow.

01:33:30.000 Check this out.

01:33:31.000 Gerald Armstrong says we are in a curfew here in Elizabeth City from now until 6 a.m.

01:33:35.000 tomorrow.

01:33:36.000 Wow.

01:33:36.000 Where's that?

01:33:37.000 That's North Carolina where they've got the state of emergency because of potential for Black Lives Matter riots. 0.98

01:33:43.000 They're really worried.

01:33:47.000 By the way, that's another way that the jury was influenced in the Chauvin trial.

01:33:50.000 Even if they obeyed the judge's restrictions to not watch the news about the case, they were getting alarms on their phone every time curfew was initiated.

01:33:58.000 So, you know that's not good news for your community, right?

01:34:01.000 You know there's a potential for riots, and that influences you despite your best efforts to avoid the news.

01:34:07.000 Stephen Pritchard says, Tim, come rafting with me in Harper's Ferry.

01:34:11.000 Look up River and Trail Outfitters.

01:34:14.000 I don't know if you saw, Stephen, but we were drinking Harper's Ferry Brewery a couple weeks ago.

01:34:19.000 We have a bunch of those beers because we just, you know, we pop by and we're like, hey, we'll grab a bunch of beers while we're over there and it's particularly close.

01:34:24.000 So I think we're right by whatever that location.

01:34:29.000 fractal says joe biden needs some bio trust maybe he'll grow a spine incorporating the sponsor into your burn of the president very nice wd-40 says all right let's see uh WD-40 says, hey Tim, why should I, right-wing gun guy, advocate for black people in Democrat cities to have the right to bear arms when they vote 90% against gun rights?

01:34:57.000 They voted for it, let them live with it.

01:34:59.000 It's a good point, but the Second Amendment expresses the government's inability to infringe upon an inalienable right.

01:35:05.000 So when I say, like, the people in these cities vote to abolish their police departments, well, that's a choice the community makes as to how they want to live, and the cops shouldn't stand for indignity, and they should know when they're not wanted.

01:35:16.000 Everybody has a right to keep and bear arms.

01:35:18.000 You have a right to a weapon.

01:35:19.000 That's just... It's true.

01:35:22.000 The Founding Fathers didn't say the government must, you know, not... Like, the Constitution doesn't grant the right.

01:35:28.000 The Founding Fathers were literally saying...

01:35:31.000 No one can take that right from you because it was bestowed upon you by your creator.

01:35:35.000 So we're telling the government to back off.

01:35:37.000 Everybody has that right.

01:35:38.000 Age old, man.

01:35:39.000 You had to pick up a club and defend yourself in caveman times.

01:35:42.000 Weapons are there for a reason.

01:35:45.000 Or at least we've turned tools into weapons for a reason.

01:35:48.000 Black Lion Grunt says, OMG, a suit?

01:35:50.000 Tim, get this man a beanie.

01:35:52.000 You're wearing a suit.

01:35:53.000 How many people have we had on who, uh... He's wearing jeans.

01:35:56.000 You're wearing jeans?

01:35:57.000 Yeah.

01:35:57.000 Well, it's like a mullet for lawyers, you know?

01:35:59.000 It's business on the top and party on the bottom.

01:36:02.000 That's how I play.

01:36:02.000 The Zoom outfit.

01:36:03.000 K.M.

01:36:04.000 says, you guys should get Billy Corgan on.

01:36:06.000 Get on Twitch.

01:36:07.000 Is Billy on Twitch?

01:36:09.000 Billy Corgan, huge fan.

01:36:11.000 And I would love to have Billy Corgan on the show sometime.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, anytime.

01:36:15.000 But we have to talk about DMT when he's on.

01:36:17.000 I'm sure he'd be super into that.

01:36:19.000 And that would be that would be epic.

01:36:22.000 Mediocre Fisherman says, hey, Tim, when are you going to write a book?

01:36:25.000 If you didn't know, Michael Knoll's book Speechless is on pre-order.

01:36:28.000 He got me.

01:36:29.000 I love it.

01:36:29.000 They got me promoting Michael Knoll's book.

01:36:34.000 Crossover's complete.

01:36:35.000 Senior Honez says, Tim, please talk to someone who has knowledge and experience in law enforcement.

01:36:40.000 Find someone or give me 30 minutes so I can explain away a lot of your misconceptions.

01:36:44.000 We are trying to get people from law enforcement.

01:36:48.000 We'll see what we can pull off, but we're actively trying.

01:36:54.000 Alright, we got a bunch of super chats, so let's see what we got.

01:36:57.000 Butters Oregano says, what is Mr. Branca's opinion on USCCA insurance for those of us that carry?

01:37:04.000 So he's asking about what some people call self-defense insurance policies.

01:37:08.000 They're not really insurance, but effectively they promise to cover your legal expenses if you're involved in a use-of-force event.

01:37:16.000 There's only, in full disclosure, I partner with one of these companies.

01:37:20.000 It's not USCCA.

01:37:21.000 It's a company called CCWSAFE, so take that into consideration.

01:37:25.000 My main concern with USCCA is frankly that they have a limit on their coverage that I think is too low.

01:37:30.000 So it's a lot of money.

01:37:31.000 It's a quarter of a million dollars.

01:37:32.000 That's a lot of money by anybody's estimation.

01:37:35.000 And if you're in an aggravated assault case, you pointed a gun at someone but didn't shoot, facing felony aggravated assault, that's almost certainly enough money for your defense.

01:37:43.000 But if you've shot someone in self-defense and you're getting prosecuted, you'll go through $200,000 easily pre-trial.

01:37:50.000 Wow.

01:37:51.000 And if there's only $50,000 left for the trial, it's not enough.

01:37:55.000 It's just not enough money.

01:37:56.000 Who's going to have $200,000?

01:37:59.000 A lot of people are armed and have to defend themselves.

01:38:01.000 I can't imagine someone having the ability to actually defend themselves.

01:38:04.000 Right.

01:38:04.000 So that's why I prefer a CCW safe, because they don't place that cap.

01:38:08.000 They just pay whatever the legal cost is, period.

01:38:11.000 It's not because the USCCA is bad people.

01:38:13.000 If there's anything wrong with them, I think they're perfectly fine.

01:38:15.000 But I think if you're involved in a killing charge case, murder or manslaughter, $250 is not enough to cover your legal expenses.

01:38:23.000 It's just not.

01:38:23.000 Or you get that much legal defense when you really need two or three or four times that much.

01:38:29.000 I mean, the George Zimmerman case, for example, I've become very good friends with the attorneys involved in that case since that happened.

01:38:35.000 $1.7 million for that legal defense.

01:38:38.000 Now, they didn't get paid that.

01:38:40.000 They kept working for free.

01:38:42.000 But that's the kind of money we're talking about in these cases.

01:38:45.000 Wow.

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01:39:31.000 Can you sign that one and give it to us?

01:39:32.000 Absolutely, of course.

01:39:34.000 Cool.

01:39:36.000 Cork Gaming says, Tim, I live in Martin County, Kentucky.

01:39:40.000 Our sheriff a few years back, when we were having a shortage of officers.

01:39:45.000 So maybe it's a typo in here.

01:39:46.000 We're having a shortage of officers.

01:39:47.000 We were told to get a guard dog and a gun.

01:39:49.000 It made news.

01:39:50.000 Wow.

01:39:51.000 Crazy.

01:39:55.000 Ossery says, I'm going to have to disagree with him on the Aubrey case.

01:39:59.000 I'm a former G-A-L-E-O, and they met none of the requirements to enact a citizen's arrest. 0.99

01:40:04.000 Mainly, the McDaniels did not witness a felony.

01:40:07.000 Well, he doesn't understand Georgia Citizens Arrest Law.

01:40:11.000 You have to have a reasonable belief that a felony has been committed.

01:40:16.000 They saw Arbery go into property they knew was not his.

01:40:20.000 This was a neighbor's house.

01:40:21.000 There had been thefts there before, so the local police had asked them to keep an eye on the property.

01:40:27.000 Under Georgia law, if you enter a property with an intent to steal, that's felony burglary.

01:40:33.000 Once there's reasonable belief a felony may have been committed, you have the privilege under Georgia Citizens Arrest Law to make a citizen's arrest.

01:40:41.000 They don't need to be right that a felony was committed.

01:40:43.000 They have to have a reasonable belief that a felony was committed.

01:40:47.000 And if they're privileged to arrest, they're definitely privileged to stop, because a stop is a lesser degree of constraint to someone's freedom than an arrest would be.

01:40:55.000 Interesting.

01:40:57.000 Coldwater says, I think it's great to have legal experts like Andrew Branca to educate us on the lawfare taking place.

01:41:03.000 What conservative legal organization should an average conservative join?

01:41:07.000 Something not the ACLU.

01:41:10.000 I guess if you're a gun owner, I would suggest the Second Amendment Foundation.

01:41:13.000 I'm a life member there.

01:41:15.000 Unlike the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation actually goes to court to fight these gun law cases, and they win a very high percentage of the time.

01:41:24.000 Very cool.

01:41:25.000 Sam T says Chauvin had 18 formal complaints and wasn't really held accountable. 0.92

01:41:30.000 He is clearly incompetent.

01:41:31.000 Unions protected him.

01:41:33.000 Well, you wouldn't know if 18 was a meaningful number over a 19-year career unless you knew what was typical for the department.

01:41:40.000 Every officer gets complaints filed against them.

01:41:43.000 These are people who, for a living, go hands-on with people, make arrests of people, people very rarely like getting arrested or being manhandled by the police.

01:41:52.000 Complaints are common.

01:41:54.000 Whether 18 is a significant number is impossible to know unless you knew what was typical in that department.

01:41:59.000 By the way, there's a reason none of that was admissible in evidence in court against Chauvin in this case because it's not relevant to whether he did anything wrong in this event.

01:42:08.000 I don't know if I can, uh, if I should ask one of these... Someone has a question for you, but it pertains to Rittenhouse.

01:42:13.000 I don't know if, uh... Oh, go ahead, ask it.

01:42:15.000 I'll tell you.

01:42:16.000 All right.

01:42:17.000 I'm not... By the way, the reason Tim is, uh, hesitant here is because I indicated I'm not currently involved in the Rittenhouse case, but there's a possibility I might be, so... Well, then this question is perfectly reasonable, then.

01:42:27.000 Okay.

01:42:28.000 Socratic Disciple says, Andrew, since you are so confident that as 100% self-defense, why are you not, on his defense team, keeping this kid out of prison for protecting himself?

01:42:35.000 You can afford a pro bono case here.

01:42:38.000 What?

01:42:38.000 I don't work pro bono.

01:42:40.000 Sorry.

01:42:41.000 I have four kids to support and a costly German motorcycle habit, so I need to get paid for the work that I do.

01:42:48.000 But I may be involved in the case.

01:42:50.000 It's up to them if they'd like me to work on the case and whether it would be mutually beneficial.

01:42:56.000 Brandon the Jobber says, if Kyle is convicted, do you think we'll see retaliation from the right?

01:43:02.000 Most people on the right say free Kyle.

01:43:05.000 I just don't see political violence from the right in any meaningful dimension.

01:43:09.000 So it's not a thing that happens.

01:43:11.000 I'm sorry, folks.

01:43:12.000 The craziest thing is that from the right, the worst thing we've seen in a long time,

01:43:17.000 and I mean from the actual political body in this country, not like fringe lunatics 0.81

01:43:21.000 who are obviously insane, but like Trump supporters and conservatives was the Capitol, where I

01:43:26.000 think it was. 0.66

01:43:27.000 Because that's what they do, the left does in these cities.

01:43:29.000 Did they loot it?

01:43:30.000 Destruction of property?

01:43:31.000 the Capitol Police and then some people died incidentally from I think like a

01:43:34.000 stroke or getting trampled. Right, so did they burn it down?

01:43:38.000 Because that's what they do, the left does in these cities. Right. Did they

01:43:41.000 loot it? Destruction of property? I mean it was so incidental in such a brief

01:43:46.000 period of time and then it was over. When it came to like... By the way, anybody

01:43:50.000 responsible for doing any of those things should be held legally accountable. Absolutely.

01:43:54.000 So if you damage property, if you looted, if you hurt someone, you should

01:43:58.000 absolutely be held legally accountable. But I see those activities happening

01:44:02.000 on the left at levels that are orders of magnitude greater than I ever see

01:44:07.000 from the right.

01:44:07.000 Yeah, my response to the Chauvin case wasn't to destroy stuff, even though I thought it was gross injustice from my perspective, but was to change the system itself.

01:44:15.000 I don't know if... maybe extremists don't go that route, but that's... if something happens to Rittenhouse, which also seems like a self-defense case, I would just opt harder to change the system.

01:44:26.000 Whatever that means.

01:44:27.000 Or actually just get real justice.

01:44:29.000 All right, Jason Spruill says, I live in the Elizabeth City area, and the protests seem peaceful so far, but they appear to be building to something more.

01:44:38.000 People are currently blocking roads and violating curfew.

01:44:41.000 Right, so what's happening now likely in the Elizabeth City case is that the people in these other cities, these activists, they have to get there.

01:44:50.000 So it usually takes a good week while all of the activists and organizers come from various cities and then coalesce into the one city where the latest instance is happening.

01:45:00.000 Let me just explain something for everybody.

01:45:02.000 They don't understand this.

01:45:04.000 You'd think these activists show up for Black Lives Matter.

01:45:06.000 That doesn't explain why they show up in China or Turkey, which they do.

01:45:10.000 I know some activists who lived in Turkey for quite some time.

01:45:13.000 They show up there because they are international socialists.

01:45:16.000 They're Antifa.

01:45:17.000 They fly the flag in various countries.

01:45:18.000 So activists in the U.S.

01:45:19.000 will be like, ooh, protests are happening in Turkey.

01:45:21.000 I'll go there.

01:45:22.000 Oh, protests are happening in Ukraine.

01:45:23.000 I'll go there.

01:45:23.000 Or Venezuela.

01:45:24.000 to go and support this international leftist cause. So when they descend on Elizabeth City,

01:45:30.000 it's not because they actually care about the cops, it's because anything to destroy the system,

01:45:33.000 that's their goal. Not all of them, just the, we call them the tourists.

01:45:37.000 All right, let's see. Flying Raptor Jesus says, if I was Kyle, I'd flee and blame a biased jury

01:45:46.000 based on the Chauvin trial.

01:45:48.000 Everyone knows it will be unfair.

01:45:49.000 Maybe we need the Amish to be jurors. 1.00

01:45:51.000 They're the only ones that don't have internet and definitely are impartial.

01:45:55.000 I'm not sure they don't have internet though.

01:45:56.000 I think it's... Times have changed?

01:45:59.000 No, I think there's like misconceptions about what Amish people actually do.

01:46:03.000 I've seen them on TV commercials.

01:46:05.000 Right.

01:46:06.000 And there's, um, I went to, there was like this big Amish marketplace.

01:46:11.000 Sounds awesome.

01:46:11.000 They were all doing normal things.

01:46:13.000 I don't know, you know, people assume Amish people are like completely baffled by technology.

01:46:17.000 And it's like, I think they just for the most part don't use it, but they have it.

01:46:20.000 There was a farmer's market in Chicago where like a truck pulled up and it was like Amish, you know, farming or whatever.

01:46:24.000 And they had like a bunch of vegetables.

01:46:26.000 And I was like, I was like, so you guys are Amish?

01:46:27.000 Like, yeah.

01:46:27.000 And I'm like, I thought, he's like, yeah, I know everybody thinks we don't, but like they can still do this stuff for certain reasons, I guess.

01:46:33.000 I guess for the most part, a lot of them wouldn't be on the internet, you know?

01:46:37.000 So there you go.

01:46:38.000 In any case, with Rittenhouse, flight is not feasible in the current era.

01:46:43.000 It's not the 1970s.

01:46:45.000 You can't simply get a fake cardboard driver's license.

01:46:48.000 My first driver's license, believe it or not, was not a laminated piece of plastic.

01:46:51.000 It was just cardboard typed on it, which made it quite easy to change for underage drinking, by the way.

01:46:58.000 But you can't just get a fake license and go live someplace for 20 or 30 years in a secret identity.

01:47:03.000 That doesn't happen in the real world anymore.

01:47:05.000 In any case, it's not a general solution because if that were to happen with Rittenhouse, well, the next case, guess what?

01:47:10.000 You're not being released on bail because now you're a flight risk.

01:47:14.000 Man, this is creepy.

01:47:17.000 Robert Chapman says home protection in New Jersey is just home alone traps, just like the founding fathers intended.

01:47:24.000 That's funny.

01:47:24.000 There you go.

01:47:25.000 But if you set booby traps, you get in trouble, right?

01:47:28.000 Yes, booby traps are not permissible anywhere because of the concern with booby traps.

01:47:33.000 And this has been true through really all of American history.

01:47:35.000 The concern is it's not being controlled by a human being.

01:47:38.000 So what happens if there's a fire and a fireman comes in or a cop is making a call or some innocent intruder comes in, you know, a repairman sent to the wrong address?

01:47:47.000 Then they get killed by your booby trap when there was no justification for that to happen.

01:47:51.000 What about a trip wire?

01:47:53.000 Not like to trip someone.

01:47:54.000 Like when you pass it, it just breaks and there's a bang.

01:47:58.000 You can use non-deadly booby traps.

01:48:00.000 That's not really a concern.

01:48:02.000 Like electric fencing, things of that sort.

01:48:05.000 But like electric fencing, that's not a booby trap.

01:48:07.000 That's just a security.

01:48:08.000 Like what if you had, you know... It's a physical deterrent to an intruder.

01:48:12.000 What if you had a trip wire that when you tripped it, a taser fired at you?

01:48:17.000 And it lasted for only like 10 seconds.

01:48:18.000 Then the question would be whether or not the taser qualifies as deadly force under that circumstance.

01:48:22.000 I think it does.

01:48:23.000 And, you know, things like pepper spray and a taser, impact weapons, clubs, they straddle the line between non-deadly force and deadly force, depending on the manner of use.

01:48:35.000 So in that case we talked about where the suspect grabbed the cop's taser, was running away, turned and shot at the cop with the taser.

01:48:42.000 The cop shot him with a pistol and killed him.

01:48:45.000 If the cop is shooting a suspect with a taser, that's a non-deadly use of force, because there's no reason to believe the cop's going to continue to use force after the person's been neutralized.

01:48:54.000 When the reverse happens, that's arguably a deadly use of force, because there's good reason to believe a criminal suspect will continue to use force on the officer, take his gun, and so forth.

01:49:03.000 What if you put up a sign warning, you know, 10 feet ahead is a tripwire that would release pepper spray?

01:49:09.000 Like you put a warning around it, so.

01:49:12.000 It might well be permissible.

01:49:13.000 I mean, pepper spray is really nothing to be all that concerned about.

01:49:17.000 The effects are so transitory.

01:49:20.000 A taser, first of all, they mostly don't work.

01:49:23.000 I hate to tell everybody.

01:49:24.000 But when they do work, they're so intense in their effect that it's not hard to characterize it as serious bodily injury, which falls into the deadly form.

01:49:33.000 horse bucket.

01:49:34.000 Could you put a sign that says caution landmines on the property if there are no landmines?

01:49:39.000 Put up any signs you want.

01:49:40.000 I guess it's arguably protected by the First Amendment.

01:49:42.000 Oh yeah.

01:49:43.000 Don't be putting any landmines out.

01:49:45.000 Right.

01:49:46.000 What if a sign said like rabid goats on the property and they will be unleashed to not eat?

01:49:51.000 I'm just kidding.

01:49:52.000 People put up beware dog signs, right?

01:49:53.000 What's the message there? 0.99

01:49:54.000 The message is if you come over this fence, there's a dog's gonna bite your butt. 1.00

01:49:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:59.000 Or something else.

01:50:02.000 Mike Jitsu said, did Ian just wake up from a mushroom trip?

01:50:05.000 LMAO.

01:50:06.000 No, I've been listening a lot this episode.

01:50:08.000 Andrew's the man.

01:50:09.000 And it's not really legal.

01:50:11.000 Law and this stuff isn't really my wheelhouse.

01:50:13.000 So I'm more interested in listening.

01:50:15.000 I mostly like the Andrew's the man.

01:50:17.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:18.000 Here we go. 0.91

01:50:19.000 Wolfstar says, Tim is mad at judges and calling them cowards, but he's also applauding all the coward cops who are leaving their posts. 1.00

01:50:24.000 What a hypocrite. 1.00

01:50:27.000 Well, it would be hypocrite. 1.00

01:50:28.000 But yes, the judge did not grant a change of venue. 0.96

01:50:32.000 He could have, right?

01:50:32.000 He could have granted change.

01:50:34.000 He could have.

01:50:35.000 And he didn't grant a mistrial because the dude was scared.

01:50:39.000 Okay, fine.

01:50:40.000 Okay.

01:50:41.000 Maybe coward isn't the right word. 0.99

01:50:42.000 Maybe groveling, sniveling, spineless loser is the right word. 0.99

01:50:46.000 Stand up to the people who are threatening you. 0.99

01:50:49.000 Look them in the eyes and say no.

01:50:51.000 Because if every single person just said no, they would have no power. 0.99

01:50:56.000 It's only because of the spineless losers they actually keep winning. 0.94

01:51:00.000 Now, as for the police who are leaving, I'm saying... 0.88

01:51:04.000 What do you think's going to happen when all of these cops leave because they're told no one wants them there?

01:51:09.000 Let the communities live the way they choose without cops and let the judges deal with their own protection when they won't stand up for the police who are the ones supposed to be protecting them.

01:51:18.000 By the way, I just want to put in as an officer of the court that Tim, of course, is fully entitled to his opinion about judges, but it's not me disparaging the judges, just for the record.

01:51:27.000 I'm just disparaging the one judge.

01:51:28.000 I understand.

01:51:29.000 Yeah, I'm actually... I was actually giving a lot of praise throughout the trial for a variety of reasons.

01:51:33.000 I just don't want to get a call from the bar.

01:51:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:37.000 It was when he said Maxine Waters... 0.87

01:51:41.000 You know, what you said may have well granted you grounds for appeal.

01:51:45.000 Right.

01:51:45.000 And I was like, how many times were you warned of this?

01:51:48.000 That's gross incompetence.

01:51:49.000 And that was the least of it.

01:51:50.000 I mean, there are grounds for appeal that are driven not just by the outlandish, outrageous things that a politician said outside the courtroom.

01:51:58.000 There's conduct, really egregious prosecutorial misconduct that occurred inside the courtroom, in front of that judge, in front of the jury, that were grounds for a mistrial.

01:52:09.000 And they just completely took a pass.

01:52:11.000 Yeah.

01:52:12.000 Waffle Sensei says the police are serving the community.

01:52:15.000 They are serving as sacrifices.

01:52:17.000 Conservatives do not adapt quickly enough to new systems, but they do prop up systems better than anyone else.

01:52:23.000 That's why conservatives are losing.

01:52:25.000 Falcon Winter Soldier, though, was a cultural win.

01:52:27.000 I don't know if you watch any of these shows, Disney Plus.

01:52:31.000 I don't have a lot of time for TV and movies.

01:52:34.000 So, you know, we were talking about this the other day, that Falcon and Winter Soldier is anti-woke.

01:52:39.000 A lot of conservatives were saying it was get woke, go broke, Disney's woke.

01:52:41.000 But it's actually about a black veteran who takes up an American flag and beats Antifa with it.

01:52:47.000 And so, it's not totally—it's fairly middle-of-the-road, but it is particularly anti-woke.

01:52:53.000 The bad guys are Antifa.

01:52:55.000 And it's so, it's so hilarious now because in the middle of the show, before the conclusion happened and you realize it's pro-America, the left was laughing and gloating about how, you know, white privilege and patriarchy and toxic masculinity or whatever.

01:53:08.000 Then the finale came and the guy they thought was the bad guy was a good guy.

01:53:11.000 And the bad guys, uh, this flag smashers are just Antifa.

01:53:15.000 And now they're actually writing articles where they're like, why is Disney bashing Antifa?

01:53:19.000 They're making Antifa look like villains.

01:53:21.000 Why are they doing it?

01:53:22.000 Yeah, because maybe they are.

01:53:25.000 I find it hilarious.

01:53:27.000 Andrew Irvin says, Chairman Mao was wrong about a great many things, but he was right when he said that all political authority comes from the barrel of a gun.

01:53:36.000 I don't necessarily think so.

01:53:39.000 I think it's not the barrel of a gun, but I think a large portion is a fear of being ostracized.

01:53:46.000 A lot of people virtue-signal political points because they just don't want to be booted out of polite society, as they call it.

01:53:52.000 Well, political power is certainly exerted from the barrel of a gun.

01:53:55.000 I mean, if you don't obey the laws, you might get a ticket at first, but if you don't pay the ticket, they'll come back, and if it keeps escalating, eventually you'll find yourself at the barrel of a gun.

01:54:05.000 The power itself, at least in America, comes not from the barrel of a gun, but from the votes of the electorate.

01:54:09.000 And when they do that wisely, we end up with a good government.

01:54:12.000 And when they do it poorly, well, we end up where we are.

01:54:16.000 I don't know if there's a way off this runaway train, you know? 0.98

01:54:19.000 You got a lot of dumb people who keep voting for the same thing for tribal reasons. 0.99

01:54:22.000 Virtue signaling, it feels good, whatever. 1.00

01:54:24.000 I don't know.

01:54:24.000 I mean, to the extent, look, there's been plenty of political systems throughout human history that have gone into a collapse.

01:54:31.000 And generally what happens during that period is that the people who can, who have the means and resources, find ways to protect themselves as much as possible from the cataclysm of that collapse.

01:54:41.000 And the people who bear the burden are generally the people who lack the resources to protect themselves.

01:54:45.000 But they will bear the burden.

01:54:47.000 Make no mistake about that.

01:54:49.000 All right.

01:54:50.000 Center Sun says, First Super Chat.

01:54:52.000 Watching for years.

01:54:53.000 In my honest opinion, give them what they want.

01:54:55.000 Abolish police.

01:54:56.000 No state actors enforcing laws.

01:54:58.000 No justice in corrupt system.

01:55:00.000 Buy home protection and move to higher private security.

01:55:05.000 Look, if you live in a rural area, you already need to consider buying guns to defend yourself, or depending on if you have a big business, private security.

01:55:14.000 It's only in the big cities where people actually rely on police for a lot of these things, and I gotta be honest, it's probably only because the right to keep and bear arms has been infringed beyond all recognition.

01:55:26.000 In New York, you can't go buy a gun.

01:55:28.000 It's so insanely difficult.

01:55:30.000 In New Jersey, it's insanely difficult.

01:55:32.000 So, how are you supposed to rely on yourself?

01:55:35.000 You can only rely on the police.

01:55:37.000 So I'm like, you know what?

01:55:38.000 The worst case scenario is if they abolish the police, then I retain my right to keep and bear arms.

01:55:43.000 You guys can do what you want to do in your neighborhoods.

01:55:45.000 I'll do what I want to do in mine, and me and my community will just, you know, watch each other's backs, I suppose.

01:55:50.000 It's not ideal.

01:55:50.000 I'm not an anarchist or anything like that.

01:55:52.000 A lot of anarchists, like, you know, I know one guy down in Mexico.

01:55:55.000 He's all about private security.

01:55:57.000 Not a big fan of private security as, like, the end-all, be-all for dealing with this problem.

01:56:01.000 Personal responsibility, on the other hand, I think, first and foremost, you should defend yourself, your property, take responsibility for your own life, and not rely on cops to do it for you.

01:56:10.000 Well, at the end of the day, you're always, really, your own first responder, right?

01:56:14.000 You're never going to be attacked while a cop is standing next to you.

01:56:17.000 That's not what happens.

01:56:18.000 So, at least, at the start, you better be prepared to defend yourself.

01:56:22.000 I mean, I've, I'll be honest, I've carried a gun my whole life for personal protection.

01:56:27.000 When I'm on a trip like this, my wife is home with plenty of guns for personal protection for her and our kids. 1.00

01:56:33.000 We don't expect the police to be there instantly.

01:56:35.000 Maybe in 10 minutes.

01:56:37.000 Maybe in 15 minutes.

01:56:38.000 Maybe longer, depending on what else is going on.

01:56:41.000 In that intervening time, if we're not prepared to protect ourselves, we're literally defenseless.

01:56:46.000 And that's not where I'd want me or my family to be.

01:56:49.000 What do they say?

01:56:49.000 When seconds matter, the cops are minutes away?

01:56:51.000 Exactly right.

01:56:52.000 With the best of intentions, by the way.

01:56:54.000 With the best of intentions of the cops.

01:56:55.000 They can't be there instantly.

01:56:56.000 That you can make a phone call and community police will be there to protect you within 10 minutes is an incredible boon of modern society.

01:57:06.000 Alright, we got this from Joel Jamal, he says.

01:57:08.000 Australian MP Craig Kelly announced he is proposing legislation to combat censorship.

01:57:13.000 The legislation is based off Florida's bill that passed.

01:57:16.000 This comes after his Facebook page of 102,000 followers was deleted by Facebook for medical misinformation.

01:57:22.000 Foreign interference.

01:57:24.000 Wow.

01:57:25.000 So what I love about this bill in Florida is that it could entirely nuke Wikipedia.

01:57:32.000 So the bill says that if you're a journalistic enterprise, meaning that you have at least 100,000 monthly active users, which is not that hard to come by, or you produce at least 100 hours of content and have a viewership of over 100 million people per year.

01:57:45.000 So I think they're trying to say 100 million active users might be defined differently in the law.

01:57:49.000 It might be bigger.

01:57:50.000 You might have to be the New York Times or something.

01:57:52.000 However, this means that many large channels, it means my company for instance, would be protected under this and that would mean we're allowed to write things and Wikipedia could not remove them.

01:58:02.000 If that's the case, this whole idea of reliable sources they use where conservative outlets are banned but leftist outlets are considered reliable is gone and Wikipedia won't be able to keep out the opinions of individuals, they won't be able to ban them.

01:58:14.000 Well, in my opinion, losing Wikipedia would not be losing much.

01:58:17.000 I think they're the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

01:58:21.000 You read Wikipedia, it all looks fine until they write something you know something about.

01:58:26.000 And then it's obvious nonsense.

01:58:28.000 My only expertise is use of force law.

01:58:31.000 There's lots of stuff I might look at on Wikipedia that looks reasonable, but when I read what they write about any use-of-force case, it is utter nonsense. 0.71

01:58:39.000 So as far as I'm concerned, if they were to disappear, it would be like the world's dumbest encyclopedia disappearing.

01:58:45.000 Would it be more likely that they just block Florida IPs?

01:58:51.000 Oh, you mean like so that people in Florida can't use Wikipedia?

01:58:54.000 Or Facebook, or YouTube.

01:58:55.000 Well, Texas has a similar law.

01:58:57.000 I don't know if it's the exact same, but I don't think they'd be able to.

01:58:59.000 Someone in Florida could be, I guess they could theoretically say we don't

01:59:03.000 provide service in Florida, so we're not subject to its laws and people

01:59:06.000 could still use it then be interesting how they, how they try to combat that.

01:59:09.000 All right, let's see.

01:59:11.000 William Keller says negative comment for Tim.

01:59:14.000 You are changing media and culture, not leaving it.

01:59:17.000 Why can't cops stay and join police to change this from within?

01:59:20.000 It's an example.

01:59:21.000 You don't quit because of YouTube.

01:59:23.000 Instead, you make your own site.

01:59:26.000 I worked for Disney and I quit because it was corrupt.

01:59:29.000 The police are working for corrupt departments.

01:59:31.000 They can remain in security or they can find a better police department.

01:59:35.000 The good cops in these corrupt cities can move to areas where they need cops, and they're not corrupt, and then there will be good, not corrupt cities with good cops, and then there will be major metropolitan urban centers full of bad cops, corrupt cops, and people fighting and stabbing each other.

01:59:49.000 And if you want to live there, I don't know what to tell you.

01:59:51.000 The only difference is when you left Disney, it didn't put the public at risk.

01:59:56.000 You know, the job wasn't like police forcing.

02:00:00.000 The problem is, when you're working in journalism, you're supposed to be informing people about what's going on so they can make better decisions.

02:00:08.000 The system was corrupt and not doing that, so I left to do something that was better.

02:00:12.000 The police officers working in these departments are not able to do their jobs right now.

02:00:17.000 They're working for departments where they're not actually able to solve these problems because they'll be demonized and sent to prison for it, so they need to leave and make something different.

02:00:25.000 I would suggest, too, that the notion that police are going to change the system from within reflects a complete ignorance of how police departments actually work and are structured, okay?

02:00:35.000 The street cops are overseen by sergeants, and above sergeant you get to lieutenant, various commander ranks, up to the chief of police.

02:00:45.000 Lieutenant on up are effectively political appointments.

02:00:48.000 So no street cop is going to do things that are inconsistent with what his political bosses are telling him, or he won't keep the job.

02:00:55.000 If he tries, he'll be fired.

02:00:57.000 The lieutenant's not quite as political as a chief, but guess what?

02:01:00.000 They want to rise in the ranks.

02:01:02.000 They're not going to rise in the ranks if they conflict with the policies and preferences of the officers higher than them in rank.

02:01:10.000 So you can't change the system from within.

02:01:12.000 That's not realistic.

02:01:13.000 All these people ultimately serve political masters.

02:01:17.000 We say that politics is downstream of culture.

02:01:19.000 Well, police is downstream of the politicians you elect.

02:01:22.000 If you want different police, you'd have to do it like New York City under Giuliani, where the boss of the city was able to affect changes in the police department.

02:01:31.000 But if he hadn't wanted those changes, if he was opposed to those changes, they would not have happened, as we saw when we got a different mayor who didn't like Those stop-and-frisk type of policies, for example.

02:01:42.000 Whatever you may think of stop-and-frisk, the point is, when the boss didn't want it anymore, it went away.

02:01:50.000 All right, E.W.

02:01:50.000 says, Mr. Bronka, firearms instructor here.

02:01:53.000 Do you have materials that can be purchased that would be good examples of use of force for students in a self-defense CCL class, videos, etc.?

02:02:00.000 Well, the first thing I would say is take advantage of the opportunity to get a free book at LawOfSelfDefense.com slash Tim Pool, but we actually have an entire instructor program, certification program, for firearms instructors.

02:02:12.000 We have lots of DVD, online courses, lots, just, we've been doing this for Almost 25 years now, folks, so we have tons of content.

02:02:21.000 You go to our website, LawSelfDefense.com, you can learn more about all of that.

02:02:25.000 Here's one for you.

02:02:25.000 Randy Whalen says, Randy Whalen, I took Andrew's course in 2017.

02:02:30.000 He is a great resource for anyone who is serious about lawful self-defense.

02:02:33.000 Quote, carry a gun so you're hard to kill, know the law so you're hard to convict.

02:02:37.000 That's our tagline.

02:02:38.000 Thank you very much, sir.

02:02:39.000 I really appreciate that.

02:02:41.000 Alexander Scarpecci says, take TimCast to Florida.

02:02:45.000 There's plenty of rural, remote areas for you.

02:02:48.000 I lived in Florida once for a year in the Redlands, just outside of Miami.

02:02:52.000 And it's hot.

02:02:53.000 You can't go outside.

02:02:54.000 Ever.

02:02:55.000 It's like January and February, you can go outside.

02:02:59.000 Nobody goes outside.

02:02:59.000 I'd go to the skate park.

02:03:01.000 Nobody ever.

02:03:02.000 And it was a good park.

02:03:03.000 And I'm like, where's everybody?

02:03:04.000 It's like nobody there.

02:03:05.000 Too hot.

02:03:05.000 But in January and February, park lives on.

02:03:07.000 It was like 90 in February when I went to Miami.

02:03:10.000 Right.

02:03:10.000 And that's when you can go outside.

02:03:12.000 I've lived in Florida.

02:03:13.000 It's got its strengths.

02:03:14.000 There's no question about it.

02:03:15.000 But the main problem with Florida is that it's, well, Florida.

02:03:18.000 Yeah.

02:03:19.000 It is an issue.

02:03:20.000 You know, Rhonda Sanders, I think, is doing a pretty good job.

02:03:22.000 But they, I think in Miami, there's a statue to the guy who invented air conditioning.

02:03:26.000 There is.

02:03:26.000 Yeah.

02:03:27.000 Yeah.

02:03:28.000 Because people are like, we can live here now.

02:03:30.000 But if you're if you're big on going to the beach, it's perfect.

02:03:33.000 You go to Miami Beach, you go on the beach.

02:03:34.000 It doesn't matter how hot it is.

02:03:35.000 It's great.

02:03:36.000 It's red.

02:03:37.000 But living out in the redlands, it was cool because the storms are something else.

02:03:41.000 They're beautiful.

02:03:42.000 The clouds.

02:03:42.000 Yeah.

02:03:43.000 Storms every afternoon, every evening.

02:03:44.000 Rains all the time.

02:03:45.000 And they're amazing watching this massive, you know, massive downpour.

02:03:50.000 It was like that in the rainforest in South America.

02:03:52.000 Super cool.

02:03:53.000 And the rain only lasts for like 15 minutes.

02:03:55.000 It's not like the Northwest where it's always wet.

02:03:59.000 Sometimes it's like a wall of rain approaching you, and it rains for 15 minutes, and 15 minutes after that it's all dry again.

02:04:05.000 I'd be like, oh let's go skate!

02:04:06.000 Oh wait, I think clouds are coming, the sky's clear, and then all of a sudden clouds roll in, it rains, and then we're like, we'll just wait a few minutes.

02:04:12.000 And then once the clouds clear, the sun comes out, it all dries up, and it's all ready to go.

02:04:15.000 Did you get hit by a hurricane while you were there?

02:04:17.000 No, almost.

02:04:18.000 Man, that's terrifying.

02:04:19.000 Yeah, so there's hurricane shutters on the building, on the windows and everything.

02:04:22.000 I'll pass.

02:04:23.000 Hard pass on the hurricane target.

02:04:26.000 So Rhonda Santos is trying really hard to make Florida more palatable because of those things. 0.98

02:04:29.000 I love it, but F the hurricanes.

02:04:32.000 Luke's down there.

02:04:33.000 Luke!

02:04:34.000 Luke was down there because of those laws.

02:04:36.000 Alright, everybody!

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02:05:13.000 Is there, uh, Andrew, anything else you wanted to shout out?

02:05:15.000 Nope.

02:05:16.000 Just remind people about the book, folks.

02:05:17.000 It's a brief opportunity.

02:05:19.000 Get the book for free.

02:05:20.000 LawOfSelfDefense.com slash Tim Poole.

02:05:23.000 I'm sure you know how to spell Tim Poole.

02:05:25.000 And Tim, thanks for having me on.

02:05:26.000 It's been absolutely great.

02:05:27.000 It was wonderful.

02:05:28.000 Yeah, it was really fun, man.

02:05:29.000 You guys can also follow me at IanCrossland.net and I'm at Ian Crossland amongst all socials.

02:05:34.000 Apparently the obsidian mirror I got for you, Tim, yesterday was acrylic or something.

02:05:38.000 I don't know.

02:05:38.000 Plastic!

02:05:39.000 I hope it's real obsidian.

02:05:40.000 I got to look into it.

02:05:40.000 Plastic.

02:05:41.000 We'll check it out.

02:05:41.000 But you can never just believe things at face value anymore.

02:05:44.000 There you go.

02:05:45.000 Sad.

02:05:45.000 I feel like I learned so much tonight.

02:05:47.000 Thank you, Andrew, for joining us.

02:05:48.000 I'm Sarah Patchlitz on Twitter.

02:05:50.000 And yeah, I'll talk to Tim.

02:05:53.000 We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.

02:05:55.000 And thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 28, 2021

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