On this episode of the Daily Caller, we are joined by one of the foremost experts on the protests and riots over the past year, Rachel McGinnis. She joins us to talk about the events that have taken place over the last year and how they have changed the way we see the world. We also have an exclusive story from Tim Kast, whose family is filing a wrongful death suit against the defendants in the case.
00:00:54.000This is very much a precursor to what we saw with Chauvin and we need to pay attention to this stuff.
00:00:58.000Because of the protesters and because of the threats of riots and the fear of violence and damage, they decided to actually criminally charge this guy who was on the ground being choked, who was defending himself, who had warned this group, this group who was rioting.
00:01:13.000And now we have an exclusive story from Tim Kast.
00:01:15.000He is filing, his family, sorry, is filing a wrongful death suit arguing that the defendants in the case conspired to deprive him of his rights.
00:01:25.000We need to pay attention to things like that.
00:01:27.000Because what ended up happening with Chauvin?
00:01:29.000One of the jurors came out and said, I feared retaliation.
00:02:38.000Actually, my co-worker, shout out to Vince Colonese.
00:02:42.000And I'll just do a quick plug for Vince and Jason Save the Nation, our new show on Daily Caller.
00:02:47.000Anyways, he said that I Forrest Gumped the year.
00:02:50.000And I thought that was kind of funny because Forrest Gump kind of just like happened to be at all these events, you know, kind of stumbled through it.
00:02:56.000And that's kind of how I felt, which is just like we were just kind of going on hunches the whole time.
00:03:38.000Did it change you going through seeing all these riots this last year?
00:03:41.000Yeah, I think it changed my perspective.
00:03:43.000I mean, I don't think it changed me myself, you know, like who I am.
00:03:47.000But I think certainly the way that I view not only, you know, the United States, but also just the way our media functions definitely changed my perspectives.
00:03:56.000I'll ask you more about it after the intro.
00:04:03.000I always enjoy when Richie has something to add because he always sees the most interesting things in the world.
00:04:08.000So I'm stoked to hear what he's got to say tonight.
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00:05:04.000We have an exclusive for TimCast.com from Cassandra Fairbanks.
00:05:08.000Family of Jake Gardner files wrongful death lawsuit against County Special Prosecutor and Attorney General's Office.
00:05:15.000I just want to read the opening of this because it's a very serious and very important story.
00:05:19.000Cassandra writes, The parents of a Nebraska bar owner that committed suicide after a fatal altercation with violent rioters have filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the county, the attorney general, two unnamed detectives, and the special prosecutor in the case.
00:05:33.000Gardner, 38, shot and killed a rioter who was attacking him, his elderly father, and his business during last summer's Black Lives Matter riots.
00:05:40.000Prior to his suicide, he was indebted by a grand jury on counts of manslaughter, use of a firearm in the commission of a felony, attempted first-degree assault, and making terroristic threats.
00:05:49.000But only after intense political pressure was placed on the city.
00:05:52.000The lawsuit accuses the plaintiffs of conspiring to deprive Gardner of his right to a fair trial and due process, deprivation of Sixth Amendment rights, deprivation of Fourteenth Amendment rights, a Brady Rule violation, wrongful death, and failing to prevent the deprivation of his rights.
00:06:08.000Gardner was a Marine and veteran of deployments to Iraq and Haiti.
00:06:11.000He described himself as a libertarian, but voted for Donald Trump in 2016 and volunteered for his campaign in three states.
00:06:17.000The district attorney had originally ruled that the shooting was self-defense.
00:06:21.000On May 30th, Gardner confronted a group of rioters outside one of the bars he owned in Omaha called The Hive.
00:06:26.000One of them had just violently attacked his 70-year-old father, which was captured on surveillance footage.
00:06:31.000During the chaos, Gardner was knocked to the ground.
00:06:33.000The veteran fired a warning shot and attempted to back away.
00:06:39.000After 22-year-old Ryder, James Scurlock jumped on his back and began choking him.
00:06:44.000The veteran could be heard pleading with his assailant saying, get off me, get off me, please get off me.
00:06:48.000According to the lawsuit, the choking lasted at least 18 seconds before Gardner fatally shot Scurlock.
00:06:55.000Scurlock had repeatedly broken windows at Gardner's bar and other businesses in the area earlier that evening.
00:07:00.000Still, the fatal shooting sparked even more rioting in the city, which escalated after Donald Klein, the Douglas County attorney, determined that Gardner had acted in self-defense and declined to bring charges.
00:07:10.000In what appeared to be a political move to quell the riots, Douglas County District Attorney Shelley Stratman appointed Special Prosecutor Frederick D. Franklin to handle the case, though the court said that they expected the same outcome.
00:07:22.000Franklin is president of the Midlands Bar Association, an organization for black-only attorneys.
00:07:27.000The lawsuit notes the special prosecutor had heavily implied Gartner was a racist when he announced the charges at the height of the racial tension in the nation by saying the decision was not made because he quote may or may not have been a racist because being racist is not against the law yikes man there were no hints of racism in the gardner messages in the in gardner's message or messages or reasons for franklin to imply that he was there was
00:07:52.000The special prosecutor inflamed people so much that Gardner received more than 1,600 death threats that week.
00:07:58.000His family was also forced to move out of the state for fear of their own safety.
00:08:14.000I'm fairly convinced none of those people will face any kind of repercussion for those death threats.
00:08:19.000But you know for a fact, if the person was in any way anti-establishment, right-wing, or populist, then that would have been all over the news as the extremists are coming, etc., etc.
00:08:29.000I gotta say, this story is nightmarish.
00:08:34.000It's coming back up because, you know, of this lawsuit.
00:08:36.000But here's the guy who begs, you know, get off me.
00:08:55.000Now, to be fair, this happened, you know, last year, and the lawsuit is bringing this back up, so I don't want to act like we're seeing more of this kind of thing.
00:09:02.000Specifically, we haven't had the level of riots we had during the George Floyd riots, but you take a look at the Chauvin case, which wasn't that long ago, and you get riots and, you know, the jurors are scared of retaliation.
00:09:12.000I think more than one juror said that they were scared, right?
00:09:22.000And now we have the Rittenhouse trial coming up.
00:09:25.000I am not convinced Rittenhouse will get a fair trial.
00:09:29.000A lot of people have said that they think he will, and I'm like, why would anybody go up against this machine where these people can send all these death threats and nothing bad happens to them?
00:09:41.000These people are literally destroying buildings and attacking people, and they're called the victims.
00:10:37.000With all the COVID stuff, I mean, there's, you know, it's, or if you want to talk about the quote unquote lab leak hypothesis, that was politicized because, you know, Trump went one way and everybody else went the other.
00:10:48.000And so there was, there was that one doctor who said it, that we initially dismissed this because it was Trump who said it.
00:11:41.000I think the law is absolutely... Well, I shouldn't say absolutely, because I'm exaggerating, but I think the law is very much so meaningless in a certain sense.
00:11:51.000We recognize what the laws are to the best of our abilities.
00:11:55.000There's a lot of laws people don't know about.
00:11:57.000I was watching this video on Never Talking to Cops, and the guy points out it's a crime to accept sea creatures, like seafood or creatures or whatever, from someone if they obtained it.
00:12:10.000It's like, if it's illegal in another country to obtain it and they trade it to you, you committed a crime in the U.S.
00:12:15.000There are laws that are really, really weird, right?
00:12:35.000The law may as well right now be do not vandalism.
00:12:39.000Destruction of private property is a crime, a felony punishable by up to a year in jail or a class A misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail.
00:13:27.000Oh, if I don't prosecute this guy, they're gonna show up and burn my house down, whatever they say.
00:13:31.000So now we have a two-tiered justicism.
00:13:34.000You can call it a narco-tyranny, or you can call it something worse.
00:13:37.000You've got ideological courts, where they'll be like, well, they're protesting, arrest the guy, give him all the charges in the book, he's going to prison.
00:13:45.000And then when the death threats come in, we don't care.
00:13:50.000So long as regular people, the politically homeless, conservatives, whatever, don't protest, They've lost their chance, in my opinion, to be completely honest, too.
00:14:00.000There was maybe a period five, six years ago where the right could have gone out and done big mass peaceful protests.
00:14:06.000Now, you get a handful of guys to walk out with American flags, and they'll scream, the far right's coming, the far right's coming, the media will claim you're a white supremacist or a Nazi, and they'll shut it down in two seconds.
00:14:54.000Just, you know, tangentially, like, you know, there's a digital world and there's a real world, but you think about the crossover, and like, you know, that's scary.
00:15:03.000I guess the problem is, if they started prosecuting this stuff immediately, it maybe never would have gotten this far in the first place.
00:15:08.000Like, they are letting it get worse and worse until I think there's gonna be a snap.
00:15:14.000Like, when regular people don't feel safe anymore and they just lose their mind, you know what I mean?
00:15:18.000It's like, it's almost like enduring some kind of torture, where every day you're inundated with these stories about violence against regular people, about how the justice system is against you, and then you just, you don't feel safe, right?
00:15:31.000So there was this report a while ago, it was talking about the Arab Spring, and I might be getting this wrong, but I believe that they basically said, like, there's a...
00:15:40.000Three things that people need, and it's food, shelter, and security.
00:15:44.000They need to know, the security is their knowledge that they can exist, they can survive, they'll be able to, you know, live.
00:15:52.000They need a place to live, and they need to eat food.
00:15:55.000And if you take one of those things away, in large enough numbers, you'll get a revolution.
00:17:39.000I'll take a death threat over... I got called, uh, Yashara Lee posted a thread of photos of what that guy, and I'm not gonna name the photographer, you know who you are, you know what you saw, and you saw me looking for my phone.
00:17:54.000And that caption still went in there, calling me a rioter who punched a door.
00:17:58.000And they issued two corrections and this is still outstanding New York Times
00:18:02.000You should still be scared because what happened there was I?
00:18:07.000because Of the way that I looked and because I just been pepper
00:18:11.000sprayed and because I had like, you know wet hair and I was I looked desperate and I was
00:18:17.000they Labeled me as something and to that image. Mm-hmm
00:18:22.000Mm-hmm that image and I got called a meth head like 200 times and I don't you have press credentials.
00:18:29.000Yeah, you got snatched from me that day.
00:18:31.000You're officially reporting and your phone falls.
00:18:36.000I can go in there on any given day and your phone falls and it's behind the door.
00:18:41.000Well, I thought it was behind the door, so I was tapping on the window to ask the police.
00:18:44.000It turned out the guy, and that's the most objectionable part of this whole situation is that There was another woman who was photographed two minutes later, and it's actually time-coded in the piece as two minutes later from my photo, and she's got a MAGA hat on, and she's crying, and it says, a woman was pepper-sprayed.
00:19:00.000They called me a rioter because I'm, oh, knuckle-dragging Trump supporter.
00:19:46.000I don't know what the editorial process was.
00:19:49.000I don't know who it was that wrote the caption, because in some news outlets, you know, sometimes editors write the captions, they edit the captions.
00:20:22.000Maybe the editor said, hey, it looks like a writer.
00:20:24.000I'll write that down and did not fact check.
00:20:27.000Yeah, but here's the thing is, I don't know when the photographer found out what that caption was, but my point is that he was there two minutes later when that woman was photographed, and I was gone from that space, and here's what happened.
00:20:38.000Right after I tapped on the window, every cop was looking down.
00:20:41.000There were like 10 cops on the other side of that door, and I looked so desperate that they actually obliged, and then this guy tapped me on the shoulder and said, yo man, I got kicked back here.
00:21:16.000Are putting out fake news, making it impossible for us to know what is really going on.
00:21:22.000And so I was having, I had a really long conversation lawsuits are for.
00:21:25.000Yeah, but who can afford a hundred grand?
00:21:27.000And then, and then the New York times puts a bunch of their high powered multimillion dollar lawyers on it and get it, get it crushed and say, Oh, it was an opinion.
00:21:55.000And they said I look like a terrorist and I can never, you know, and that's like, you know what?
00:22:00.000My dad taught me to stand tall and that's what I'm gonna have to do here because I'm not gonna let those guys stomp on me like that because they think I look some way.
00:22:08.000You look at the story, the segment we were just talking about before this one, the Gardner, you know, Jake Gardner.
00:22:31.000They're the guys from the... And Helen Pluckrose.
00:22:33.000They were the crew that did the Subtle Squared Hoax.
00:22:34.000But I was mostly talking to Peter Boghossian about how I think the media is the problem.
00:22:38.000And he said he thought it was the universities talking about critical race theory, wokeness, the conflict and everything.
00:22:42.000And I was like, it is... I'm not saying it's not.
00:22:45.000I know critical race theory came out of universities.
00:22:47.000But it only found its path to the mainstream because of social media algorithms and media manipulation.
00:22:53.000You look at the curve of all of a sudden You see all these buzzwords appearing, LexisNexis data, showing like around 2010, the instances of the word racism skyrocket like a thousand percent, ten thousand percent.
00:23:09.000This is what opens the door for all of this woke stuff from these universities.
00:23:14.000But I will also concede as well that you had a lot of young people in universities now entering the workforce at a similar time being indoctrinated by these ideas.
00:23:22.000But I genuinely believe the door was open because social media and news companies, there was this nexus event.
00:23:30.000Where social media was destroying news companies, venture capitalist-funded firms jumped in with no care in the world for fact-checking or any credibility and started pumping out rage-bait garbage on Facebook.
00:23:59.000We see this when like that opinion editor guy, he was forced to resign because he published an op-ed from Tom Cotton, which was like standard procedure, but they're like, we're going to do... That was about the Insurrection Act.
00:24:20.000Don't you don't you think that we're now in a divergent society where, you know, like the Twitterati and corporate media are going in one direction and normal common sense people are going in another?
00:24:31.000And I just will say, like, the one thing I'll say about Kenosha, and I think that this is actually like a silver lining of kind of the Obstacle course that I had to navigate in terms of dealing with the media after what happened just trying to say what I saw.
00:24:45.000So what happened was I went on Tucker because he asked me on first.
00:24:48.000He was the only, you know, right after the shooting.
00:24:51.000He said, you know, you want to see what happened.
00:24:56.000live to his whole audience what I what he told me he was there for Kyle Rittenhouse why he was there what he said okay what he told me CNN then took that in a report and I won't name the reporter but he said McGinnis supported the conservative claim that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense and so then I emailed CNN legal and I said um You made a misstatement about me.
00:25:20.000I relayed what the motivation of the shooter was.
00:25:24.000He told me 15 minutes before the shooting.
00:25:39.000That reporter, I give him a lot of credit.
00:25:42.000He had me back on probably because the CNN guys went to the legal department and said, you better fix this or we're going to, you know, and that was six minutes long that they did.
00:26:15.000This guy comes out, and he's, you know, cheering, he's like, yeah, Trump!
00:26:18.000And they're all screaming at him, spitting on him, and he just keeps walking.
00:26:20.000He turns the corner, someone runs up with a heavy bag and smacks him in the head with it.
00:26:25.000He starts bleeding, and I run up, I'm filming the whole thing, he starts crossing the street, the police escort him, I chase him down, you know, I'm running after him, I'm like, hey, can you tell me what happened?
00:27:18.000See, the people who were running the company didn't know what they were really supporting when they hired young, psychotic, woke cult members.
00:27:25.000They were just like, it's young activists!
00:27:27.000So when, in their Gen X-er minds, they were like, doing PR is normal, we don't care if it goes on Fox News.
00:27:33.000But they didn't realize that the tribalism of the younger Millennials and the older Gen Z was If you dare go on and talk to any of these people, you are them or worse.
00:28:50.000Well, I think that's the point is you have to attack the gatekeepers, right?
00:28:55.000And the gatekeepers of, you know, the way that people, especially after all the lockdowns, the way that people interpret reality is through the media.
00:29:01.000And so if, if something is being interpreted, something that's happening in reality is being interpreted incorrectly.
00:29:08.000You go to the, you go to the people who, who put that forth.
00:29:11.000So you call me this, you call me a rioter.
00:30:06.000I, you know, they're viewed as a certain thing, um, by, you know, the greater media.
00:30:11.000And I'd rather come at it as just an individual who's trying to stand tall for myself.
00:30:15.000And, um, you know what, if whatever, maybe, maybe I'm a young, young enough to enter financial ruin for my, you know, for the sake of the truth.
00:33:09.000And so, of course, that's a semantic argument.
00:33:16.000The argument put forth by Mike Cernovich was the Capitol Police are becoming a local police, a federal police agency just for the D.C., but now they're going to operate in California, Florida.
00:33:25.000Look, man, you see these things, and I talked about this in Chicago, they'll knock the whole building down except for just the facade and claim it's the same building.
00:33:33.000But everybody knows it's not the same building.
00:33:37.000The law is that so long as one wall stands, it legally is.
00:33:41.000So the floors are different, the size is different, and it's like a weird-looking building with this tiny, like, two-story front brick frame, and there's a steel building behind it or something ridiculous.
00:33:49.000So anyway, but I don't completely disagree with you, Ian.
00:33:52.000You know, it's a broad stretch to say between three and six.
00:33:55.000So the first thing I'll point out is classification.
00:33:57.000Obviously, we're all divided between us and them in a lot of different ways.
00:34:00.000The left, the right, the far right, whatever.
00:34:03.000Who's being forced to identify themselves?
00:34:11.000They've got the pronouns in the Twitter bio, but it's not for some organizations might fire you if you don't identify your pronouns.
00:34:18.000So I think that's more of the question here is like, it's not your actual physical well-being more so as it's like your ability to operate in polite society, right?
00:34:26.000As you know, somebody who's like, you know, if you lose PayPal, if you lose any access to banks and stuff like that, I mean, And that's, I mean, you heard about what's going on, right?
00:34:36.000There was an announcement from PayPal working with the ADL to weed out extremist transactions.
00:34:40.000And then Facebook, YouTube and Twitter announced that they're going to be targeting, what do they say, attacker manifestos in the far right, including the Proud Boys content.
00:34:50.000So Proud Boys content is now, like, to be purged.
00:34:53.000So they're not just talking about censorship now.
00:34:55.000They're talking about financial restrictions and censorship.
00:34:58.000And they're playing this game of the far right.
00:35:00.000So all that needs to happen is a long enough campaign where enough media outlets call you far-right and then they can say, oh, but look, it's here, he's far-right, everyone knows it.
00:35:08.000Someone, I think it was a Democratic politician, tweeted out that their people were vermin.
00:35:24.000So like, I mean, I've had both experiences, which is I've had reporters reach out to me about Kenosha, for example, and get totally like talk to him for hours and had them totally manipulate what I said, you know, for their own agenda.
00:35:36.000But then I've also had, you know, situations where like Huffington Post and a New Yorker article that just came out by Paige Williams.
00:35:44.000I talked to her at length and she didn't put that qualifier right wing Daily Caller in there.
00:35:50.000And I talked to her afterwards and she said, yeah, because, you know, I talked to you and, you know, you, well, there, there are real journalists.
00:35:56.000So there, I mean, my point is, is that it's not like this monolith of just bad people in the corporate media.
00:36:02.000I think if you really make an effort to actually extend your hand and, and try to tell your truth to those people, rather than just shutting yourself down and say, no, no, no, no, no.
00:36:10.000You have this agenda and I'm not going to talk to you.
00:36:12.000You might fall on your face a couple of times and the intercept might put a hit piece out on you.
00:36:18.000At least you're trying and I think it some good comes of that the SPLC hit me up and
00:36:23.000Asked for a statement. And so I wrote like a really long statement and I was like, I I genuinely think that Jack Dorsey's
00:36:30.000stated intention is to have Basically everyone behind these platforms even people we
00:36:35.000all kind of disagree shouldn't we all kind of agree shouldn't be like there's there's
00:36:39.000There are free speed at free speech absolutists But you know, there's like certain things you shouldn't be
00:36:45.000posting on social media like images of you know I'll just I'll leave it at that.
00:36:48.000And I was like, Jack Dorsey told me that his goal is immutable social media, that he wants to make blockchain social media so nothing can ever be taken down.
00:36:55.000And I'm like, bro, that's way over the top.
00:37:30.000Like, he's not really far left or anything, but...
00:37:32.000I think you tapped on a really important point right there, though, and that goes back to what we were saying about, you know, are we at the point where, you know, people are being identified as groups and, you know, removed like physically?
00:37:43.000No, but and I like coach some like 20 somethings, you know, zoomers in hockey.
00:37:49.000And one thing I noticed is the degree to which.
00:37:52.000You can say whatever you want to them in person.
00:37:54.000You can throw whatever words about you want and they won't really be phased.
00:37:59.000But if somebody says something about them digitally, it's like it consumes them.
00:38:03.000You know, even if it's just in a Snapchat, even if it's an Instagram comments or whatever, because that lives forever.
00:38:08.000And so like if you Google whoever's name and this news outlet decides to say this, that's immutable.
00:38:16.000And until, you know, something else becomes the top result, that's you.
00:38:19.000Yeah, that's a big problem with the... Because what I've been looking at is, let's say culture... Politics is downstream of culture.
00:38:26.000Big, popular, I think it was Breitbart book.
00:38:33.000So these technological algorithms that are supporting, you know, rage trash bait, like they say, Ian Crosland's a psychopath, and then that gets retweeted, so then that fortifies the algorithm, and then all of a sudden psychopath and Ian Crosland start showing up.
00:38:46.000That's why this digital statement is so much more powerful than a verbal statement, because it's feeding the technological problem.
00:38:53.000A good example is some Gizmodo article.
00:40:23.000I mean, what happened to the left libertarians, of which made up most of the young people in the early 2010s, who are now the anti-SJW types?
00:40:31.000I mean, I think we're in the midst of a shift, so obviously it's kind of up in the air right now, and it's a question of where the chips will fall.
00:40:37.000But what does left and right even mean?
00:41:44.000And they're like, well... And it's really funny right now because a lot of conservatives are saying, my body, my choice over, you know, vaccine stuff.
00:41:51.000And the left is like, the pro-lifers have no idea what they're talking about.
00:41:54.000And I'm like, I've always been pro-choice and I think my body, my choice pertains to all of it.
00:41:57.000Yeah, they don't argue with me about it because they're like, what do we say about that guy? Oh, he's consistent in
00:42:02.000his positioning I'm like dude, it's because they don't understand what
00:42:06.000libertarian is right? I'm not gonna pretend to be like big-ass libertarian in any way
00:42:10.000I'm just kind of like I don't know and you kind of should leave people alone, I guess but you're right
00:42:15.000I mean, it's a question of, like, cultural conservatism versus, like, I would argue that, you know, Trumpian conservatism has less of that cultural aspect of conservatism.
00:42:48.000I mentioned this the other day when they refer to me as a
00:42:50.000reactionary and then show my full statement where I'm like I
00:42:54.000said you know I said bigots have no place in polite society.
00:42:57.000Like bigots, homophobes, transphobes, racists have no place in polite society.
00:43:02.000He includes that and says that's reactionary.
00:43:03.000It's like, okay, what you're really saying is that you're an insurrectionist.
00:43:07.000The Southern Poverty Law Center, these organizations, and these activists are insurrectionists who want a complete upheaval and overthrow of the U.S.
00:43:20.000You can believe in the progressive social justice cause.
00:43:23.000But if you tell them they're wrong for wanting to burn everything to the ground, they'll call you a reactionary.
00:43:27.000I literally come out, like, several times a month talking with people about healthcare, and I'm like, I think we need universal healthcare.
00:43:34.000I've leaned away from it a little bit because of the race-based vaccine rollouts, and my concern is that if we have government-based healthcare, and then the racists take over, they'll make everything race-based, and then withhold healthcare from people, basically.
00:44:11.000But don't you think to a certain extent the quote unquote cultural revolution that you're referring to is mainstream now?
00:44:18.000Like, don't you think that the critique is now the mainstream insofar as like the majority of people think that about apple pie and baseball?
00:44:26.000That like, you know, America is corrupt and America is doomed to be racist and terrible forever?
00:44:32.000I look at the polling, and I think it's fair to say that the ultra-woke make up a tiny percentage, relatively.
00:44:49.000I'm talking to my friend, and we're arguing about vaccine passports and requirements and stuff like that.
00:44:59.000I'll be light on the crux of the conversation because YouTube is ban-happy, but suffice it to say, I said, I don't trust the government blindly.
00:45:08.000I'll consider what they say and consider the source.
00:45:13.000And I don't understand why the left has come out in favor of a massive for-profit venture to transfer tax funds to major pharmaceuticals instead of talking about real ways to help save lives through the healthcare system.
00:45:25.000That being said, I think vaccines are safe and effective.
00:45:38.000One of the problems is that when you censor the conversation, you freak people out.
00:45:43.000So, this guy is coming at me arguing that by simply telling people to go talk to their own doctor about what's right for them and make sure the doctor, because I genuinely believe it's the right thing to do because people could have allergies or whatever, he's like, well, you're scaring people.
00:45:56.000And I'm like, dude, when did you become the champion of Big Pharma?
00:46:00.000Yeah, it's about the collective and not your individual decision.
00:46:40.000In the early, you know, late 60s, early 70s in Washington, D.C., she was a progressive who was fighting against... And I had this conversation with her the other day, and I was just like, yo, Ma, like, what's the, you know, what do you think about, like, you know, these modern feminists, these modern... And she's like, it's, you know, I can't say what she said because she's...
00:47:24.000But I think that, you know, we're in the midst of a shift right now.
00:47:28.000But all I'm saying is that when my mom was protesting in Washington, D.C., protesting the Vietnam War, that was very different from, you know, I think that was a fringe portion of the society.
00:47:40.000It was the young people who thought one way.
00:47:42.000And now the corporations think just like Those young people who are out in the streets.
00:47:59.000Alright, so for those that aren't familiar, Strauss-Howe generational theory.
00:48:03.000And so you've got the different seasons within it.
00:48:06.000There's four periods, they're about 20 years long each.
00:48:10.000What we're seeing right now with what you referred to as the paradigm shift, right?
00:48:14.000Like, your mom was counterculture, opposing the major corporations.
00:48:18.000Now the generation today, the young generation, is pro-corporate.
00:48:22.000Amazon's got their Black Lives Matter, you know, Netflix, all these big, there's a video game, I can't remember what video game it was, it opened up and it said Black Lives Matter.
00:48:30.000Attacking the establishment has become the establishment in a very weird way, but this is why I say it's the fourth turning.
00:48:37.000When you had a youth, you had a culture of young people growing up being told to fight the power, you know, fight the system, fight the man.
00:48:46.000Then when they all become adults and inherit the power, their worldview is still fight the power.
00:48:51.000So now they're in power, telling everyone to fight the power.
00:48:55.000Which leads us to the fourth season, the fourth turning.
00:48:58.000The great conflict is, if you take an entire generation and tell them the system is broken and corrupt and you must fight back, they inherit the power and then start ripping it to shreds and gutting it, you're gonna get a crisis.
00:49:09.000Imagine you're driving in a car and some dude's actively punching holes in the floor and trying to jam things against your driveshaft or something.
00:49:20.000But I think if we live in a flourishing, fully functioning society, then we actually raise people who are critical thinkers, who are able to shed their old self and see a new truth or change their perspective as they get older.
00:49:39.000You know, I think she had a certain way of viewing politics in the last five years that she's certainly changed.
00:49:45.000I mean, maybe as a byproduct of like being, you know, me being her son, my younger brother, like caught her on like a work Zoom meeting, like.
00:49:53.000Yeah, so everybody knows that, uh, you know, that's so it's all just media narratives and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, mom, mom, mom, you can't come on.
00:50:06.000It's like, you know, uh, hard times make strong men, strong men, strong men, make good times, good times, weak men, weak men, hard times, et cetera, et cetera.
00:50:13.000Because you have this period of like, You know, look, the boomers, man, they were like hippies and protesters.
00:50:19.000And now they're all leading these big corporations.
00:51:36.000I think it's an amalgam of the generation assumes the power and becomes the establishment while telling everyone to fight the establishment, not realizing it's them.
00:51:47.000And so then they target the not-establishment.
00:51:52.000They control, what is it, 36 states or something like that?
00:51:55.000That's not the power paradigm to a certain extent.
00:51:58.000I mean, it's powerful having that many states.
00:51:59.000If they get, I think, two more states or whatever, then they can have a constitutional convention.
00:52:03.000But for the most part, in this country, universities, movies, video games, federal level politics, social media, it's all left, it's all progressive.
00:52:12.000And that's what ultimately compels people to make decisions in their reality.
00:52:16.000Like, government is one thing, and you make a very concerted decision.
00:52:20.000You go to the polls to vote for this person because I ideologically think this, but in terms of like, I have a friend who I'm not going to name, similarly to why you wouldn't.
00:52:29.000He has a wedding of his, his actually his best, best friend's brother in Canada.
00:53:35.000I can't believe there's so many people who don't trust their doctors, to be completely honest.
00:53:38.000Well, here's the amount of people that are telling that individual, yo, like, I can't believe that you would do that, you know, because it's a medical, personal medical decision that he's making.
00:55:38.000I think your bones are made of graphene.
00:55:42.000The point is, left libertarians are these people.
00:55:46.000And the reason why they're adamantly opposed is for personal decision reasons, for the most part.
00:55:52.000But they get mocked as kooky and crazy.
00:55:54.000And what's funny is whenever I bring up, I was talking to a lefty friend of mine about lefty conspiracies, and of course I mentioned Russiagate.
00:56:01.000and Ukrainegate and all this stuff, and they're like, well, I don't know, man.
00:56:31.000I mean, it's the same thing as the, you know, basically like this weird progressive support for the police state and the intelligence state.
00:56:39.000And it's like, yo, I was like, I grew up anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war.
00:56:43.000And as a result, like anti-Patriot act.
00:56:46.000And like, if like I were a true lefty, I'd be supporting like the CIA right now.
00:57:02.000It's, I think 2007, maybe 2006, and it was made by the guy who did Donnie Darko, and it's like, man, you guys gotta check this movie out, because it was written about a future, not too distant future, Where like a nuclear war happens and then you've got the Republicans who expand the Patriot Act and the Democrats who have like, there's like the rise of the neo-Marxist movement.
00:57:25.000It's just really fascinating to watch a movie from the mid-2000s to see where the liberals thought our society would go.
00:58:30.000You know, it's actually a great book that, um, there's actually the last book that my dad ever gave me before he passed.
00:58:35.000But it's, it's significant in that respect because it's called arrogance and it's, um, it's Bernard Goldberg and it's, it's the sequel to bias, but basically the subhead for that book is rescuing, rescuing America from the media elite.
00:59:22.000And the reason for it, in my opinion, was that a lot of these digital news outlets were doing this trick called, it was called like ads, ad rights, yeah, ad rights assignments, something like that.
01:00:25.000The news organization then buys the rights to those views, and claims there are views, and all of a sudden now, this small news outlet is getting 100 million views per month!
01:00:51.000But it's like, in order for the New York Times to survive, it must create more entropy around it than, you know, negates.
01:00:58.000To put it this way, You might have a hundred million subscribers to news outlets nationwide through all the different local outlets.
01:01:06.000But most people are canceling those subscriptions and the New York Times is picking up only some of them.
01:01:11.000Everyone else is getting news for free from rage bait trash.
01:01:14.000So the New York Times might see its subscribers go up a few million as the country sees total subscriptions go down.
01:01:20.000They're gonna lose their influence, they're gonna make good money, and they're gonna start thrashing about violently once they realize they're drowning.
01:01:27.000It's like when, you know, when someone starts suffocating and they start just violently flailing and freaking out.
01:01:32.000That's what we're gonna see from the media.
01:01:33.000That's what we are seeing from the media.
01:01:34.000It's like if it's a boat that's sinking, and they're looking around the ocean, all desperately scanning the horizon.
01:01:40.000They see far off in the distance some chaos.
01:01:53.000So I'll tell you what we get from this.
01:01:57.000I mentioned this when I did my algorithmic psychosis rant last week or whatever, that people end up growing up living in this world where the only news they get is that all cops are bad, all cops are racist, and it's because, like you said Ian, they're looking in this vast ocean and they see this one tiny dot and it's the only thing they're showing to people.
01:02:16.000Check out this story from the Daily Mail.
01:02:19.000Minnesota fourth graders are given equity survey on race and gender and are told by teacher not to skip questions even if they don't understand them and not to tell their parents.
01:02:29.000Let me just show you one of the questions.
01:02:32.000Do you currently identify yourself as female, male, transgender?
01:02:35.000Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex.
01:02:40.000For example, they were born male but now identify as female or something else.
01:02:43.000And you can choose female, male, transgender, non-binary.
01:02:47.000Why is a fourth grader being told to, first of all, out themselves the teacher should they actually have a, you know, a trans or non-binary identity?
01:02:55.000Why are the kids being handed this stuff on equity in this survey, given this questions?
01:03:01.000What I think is, these teachers, likely millennials, grew up Getting exposed to the social media over the past 10 years, nothing but extremist content that generated rage.
01:03:12.000Their whole worldview was built on it, and now they're giving it to the kids.
01:03:17.000They are transferring that tenfold to children, who are not going to have the same opportunity to have... You know, millennials didn't completely grow up on the internet, to a great deal they did, but I know a lot of people who didn't get internet until they were late teenagers.
01:03:30.000At least you had some opportunity to use a phone mounted to the wall, you know, a touch-tone phone or something.
01:03:34.000Yeah, it took you ten minutes to write one paragraph.
01:03:37.000These little kids are not only going to grow up on social media, being inundated with nothing but critical race applied principles, but they're going to be getting it from their teachers as well.
01:03:51.000But someone on the show said, parents don't care about their children at all.
01:03:56.000And the example is that they're being sent off to institutionalized learning facilities where the parents don't know what they're being taught, don't know what they're being exposed to, and to a great deal don't care.
01:04:52.000I think if you were really concerned about what schools were doing to your kids, you'd, for one, you'd pay a whole lot of attention to the school boards, you'd pay attention to the school curriculums, and a lot of parents do.
01:05:16.000Well, I'm saying all of the school board meetings that are going viral and, you know, all these parents and these kids and teachers speaking out and the way in which, you know, this whole concept of critical theory is a big Critical race theory is a big conversation right now.
01:05:48.000I mean, we run them all the time because I think it's, you know, it's a it's a government feed so you can it's non-commercialized so you can just run it as is.
01:05:54.000Have you got have you guys seen any hard numbers on how many school boards are in?
01:05:58.000I've seen one article that mentioned it was like between six and seven hundred.
01:07:17.000Then, in the first few months of high school, my parents asked what was going on, and when they saw the negative impacts, they immediately pulled us out and homeschooled us again.
01:07:28.000Because my parents genuinely, in my opinion, cared.
01:07:31.000And they sent us to school because it's school.
01:07:36.000When we were at Catholic school, we were going to Mass.
01:07:39.000And then when we stopped, when we switched to public school, there was a lot less family interaction with the school system.
01:07:46.000But the reason I think I would say parents don't care about their kids is that how often have you heard of the trope where the kid says, my teacher hates me and the parent says, oh, shut up.
01:08:27.000You know how they say if someone goes out and works 12 hour days and they're exhausted when they get home, they have no time to talk about politics.
01:08:33.000They only care about where the food is and that's it.
01:08:35.000So if the parent is stressed about money and they're working a job, two jobs that can't really even pay the bills, they're going to be too stressed or have this layer of stress that's interfering with their communication with their kids.
01:09:16.000And they can hang out and, you know, just... You gotta have some parenting.
01:09:21.000Don't let them spill milk on the carpet or something like that.
01:09:23.000But I... Not only was I homeschooled, but when my mom opened a coffee shop on the north side of Chicago, which, look, you know, we were like a lower-middle-class family, and this was, like, very devastating for my family in terms of loans.
01:09:37.000It didn't work, and then we went, you know, my family got bankrupt and stuff like that.
01:09:40.000And they're treating you like an adult.
01:09:41.000house I was nine years old and I had to go work there so I was sitting around
01:09:45.000next to a bunch of adults talking politics I was getting exposed to the
01:09:49.000real world so it's treating you like an adult they're not treating you like oh
01:09:54.000right they were treating me like an adult and to an extent they're treating
01:09:59.000You know, it's like when you're working, they wouldn't be like, oh, it's so cute that you're trying to wash the dishes.
01:10:04.000They'd be like, can you finish the dishes?
01:10:05.000Because we've got a bunch of orders coming and we need these mugs.
01:10:08.000That can go overboard, because I'm just laughing as you're saying this, because you want to know why I always superglue myself instead of getting stitches and going to the hospital?
01:10:15.000It's because when I was like six years old, my dad was like, all right, let's go do my week-end rounds at the hospital.
01:10:20.000He's like, let's go meet with this guy.
01:10:21.000I'll never forget, I walk into this room and the guy's like in a full cast, like his whole body, it was like almost like out of a cartoon, like his arms are in a full cast.
01:11:11.000The parents take the kid and they put him in the school.
01:11:13.000The teacher mindlessly drones along with like, you know, half glazed over eyes going, turn to page seven.
01:11:19.000And the kids are sharing notes with each other.
01:11:21.000The kids are all raising each other, man.
01:11:23.000It's no surprise to me that we're seeing cultural decay when millennials, in many ways, grew up going to schools where the teachers mostly don't care about them.
01:11:32.000Their parents mostly don't know what's going on in these schools.
01:11:34.000The kids are going out to parties and teaching each other things.
01:11:38.000So yeah, you get like a Lord of the Flies type scenario.
01:11:40.000These kids grow up, they get power, and then it's just like, who's got the conch bashing people over the head?
01:11:45.000I grew up surrounded by people working jobs and working in businesses, and here I am running a business, you know?
01:11:53.000It's funny you say that, because I got major Lord of the Flies vibes when I was in the Chaz.
01:11:58.000It was like the kids leading the kids.
01:12:44.000And how complex, how many different sources of manufacturers, et cetera, and how hard it is to collectivize that and centrally plan it rather than just allow basically the marketplace to figure out how to make that supply chain work.
01:13:32.000And that's what they're voting for right now.
01:13:34.000And if parents wanted their kids to be successful, to be able to survive, to have their values, they would be communicating with them every day, they'd be working with them, and very much, to a great degree, taking them out of these schools.
01:13:45.000When you get these four-year-olds who are being given these cult surveys about creepy stuff, you shouldn't be asking kids.
01:13:51.000Or there was that one teacher who was playing the video for kids about how to, you know, take care of business on your own.
01:14:10.000Think about the parents who are like, I had no idea they were doing it to my kids.
01:14:13.000Now when parents found out about it, they freaked out.
01:14:15.000Well, plus, don't you think it's also, I don't know, there's a certain corruptive factor of having the internet, like literally here that, you know, if we're talking about Lord of the Flies, the loss of innocence that happens to a 10 year old kid, the moment that they go to the website that their buddy told them, like I had to download it off Napster.
01:14:32.000I was like, all right, four days later, I got this like 30 second, you know, video or whatever.
01:14:37.000I stole this song that has swears in it.
01:14:40.000Early 90s comp you serve and it's like, this song will download in 14 hours.
01:15:49.000I mean, I think that's what can be taken.
01:15:50.000I mean, that's what I take from the last year, which is like, you see that everything that we're talking about right now, it manifests itself on the streets with these sad, desperate people who are out there because they're desperate.
01:16:03.000And whatever side of the political spectrum they're on, they're desperate because they feel like the system has failed them and probably because it has.
01:16:56.000You know, maybe there would have been a Trumpian figure elected in a couple of years if he had to just like literally hijack that election.
01:17:02.000So I think, you know, that kind of came to the forefront earlier than it would have otherwise.
01:17:07.000But no matter what, we're still it's still culture and politics are both catching up with technology.
01:17:22.000You have mass communications, the printing press.
01:17:25.000The printing press allows for the mass dissemination of propaganda for an American revolution.
01:17:30.000You eventually, you know, you get hundreds of years of that, basically, but more knowledge is being spread, people's attitudes and their understandings change.
01:17:37.000The radio creates a new culture of radio, the style of speaking.
01:19:37.000How do we get people to become decentralized?
01:19:40.000Which means a lot of personal responsibility.
01:19:42.000We need more polymaths among us, like Ben Franklin and, uh, Thomas Jefferson.
01:19:48.000It's funny though, because when you were describing like what the media is doing and how they're like packaging up with these click farms and stuff like that, I was thinking to like, you know, 2008, the way that they packaged up all these subprime mortgages.
01:20:27.000If they can't get paid back on the mortgage, that's the insurance.
01:20:31.000The AAA rating is the likelihood of it to default.
01:20:34.000Talking about media, you're exactly right, Richie, because I was actually working on a preliminary documentary about this.
01:20:44.000The ad rights assignment stuff isn't as prominent as it is today, so it's not as relevant, but we could maybe do a look back.
01:20:49.000What they were doing was they were taking bunk views that were worthless and then packaging them behind AAA-rated news websites.
01:20:57.000So everybody knows that, you know, this website is the gold standard of youth news.
01:21:02.000Wow, 100 million views when it was really getting 30 million and 70 million was garbage views from trash clickbait websites where you'd click in and you'd bounce out in five seconds.
01:21:14.000And then you, by contract, assign the traffic rights to the AAA rated company who then goes to advertisers and says, we get a hundred million views per month.
01:21:24.000If you want some of this, it's going to cost you 50 grand for an ad.
01:21:27.000And then the companies are like, wow, a hundred million views.
01:21:39.000I mean, Facebook, uh, as if you compare it as a social media ecosystem compared to like YouTube or even Instagram people, like an average view time on Facebook is like, you know, a good one is like 20 something seconds.
01:22:06.000And then on my other channels, it's like 14, between 10 and 14, depending on, you know.
01:22:10.000So there are still places where people can go to like get qualitative content that they're actually paying attention to where there actually is value.
01:22:18.000And that's, you know, there are people are learning that there are ways of measuring that.
01:22:21.000So I don't think like it's, you know, you know, it's a bubble that's going to burst necessarily in the same way.
01:22:27.000I think we've got a our culture is no longer focused.
01:22:33.000You know, it's it's it's what is it doing?
01:23:46.000You've got tech elites who manipulate what people can and can't do, the communications companies who can shut off your cell phone, who can track your cell phone, who can give your information to the government.
01:24:46.000So the ship of Theseus is that, let's say you have a boat, and then you remove one piece of wood and then and replace it with a brand new piece of wood.
01:26:09.000And one of those superpowers collapsed.
01:26:12.000And does that mean the United States could not be facing the same thing?
01:26:16.000We're facing collapse and then China wins is what you're saying?
01:26:19.000Maybe it's a new cold war and who says we're gonna win it.
01:26:21.000But I think, you know, I like to think that America's and the Constitution is more resilient.
01:26:26.000It's like the ship that you're talking about.
01:26:28.000The Constitution ensures that we can, you know, revise and an open, free and open society ensures that we can correct ourselves and the tide can ebb and flow between, you know, whatever you want to call it, left and right, libertarian and authoritarian.
01:26:40.000I love the Constitution, but where was the Constitution when Jake Gardner was being threatened and his family was being attacked and then he got choked out?
01:26:50.000That's not the fault of the Constitution.
01:26:52.000That's why I said earlier, you can have the law and then you have the culture.
01:26:55.000And if the culture doesn't support the law, the law doesn't make any sense or doesn't matter.
01:26:59.000So when Black Lives Matter can literally go around destroying buildings causing two billion thousand damage and face no repercussions and gain support from all the major massive multinational corporations, the law doesn't matter, does it?
01:27:11.000But dude, we had the Bill of Rights when there were still slaves.
01:27:42.000And it's like, I think it's partially a byproduct of like, you know, like you said, the soul, the country does have a soul and it is this, I don't, I think the American dream is still alive insofar as people still come here because for a reason, and people aren't flooding into China.
01:27:55.000Our understanding of free speech is new, right?
01:27:58.000A hundred years ago, free speech didn't exist the way we think it does.
01:28:02.000So the Bill of Rights almost didn't matter.
01:28:04.000You had a very moralistic, authoritarian style of culture.
01:28:08.000You can't say these things, you can't dress this way.
01:28:10.000Now we have a very, very libertarian, but the problem is, a new moral authoritarianism is on the rise.
01:28:16.000Of course the United States will exist, probably in name, but who knows what it'll actually be, right?
01:28:21.000Like you mentioned, when the Bill of Rights was created, there were slaves, right?
01:28:24.000Because the Bill of Rights didn't matter so much as the culture mattered.
01:28:27.000What the people were willing to tolerate and willing to do.
01:28:30.000So we can talk about making the country better and moving towards freedom, which is what I think we've typically done.
01:28:35.000The problem is now the dominating faction is anti-freedom and pro-collectivist, which means we're going backwards.
01:28:42.000In fact, these people outright want to rewind the clock on civil rights.
01:28:47.000I'll give you the easiest example to understand so people can truly understand what's happening.
01:30:08.000It can be used in an evil way, but you have to discriminate.
01:30:11.000If you have a hot rock and a cold rock, you know that you don't want to pick up the hot rock.
01:30:15.000You have to discriminate between the rocks as to which one is safe to touch.
01:30:19.000So I'm obviously not being 100% absolute.
01:30:23.000I am making my point using hyperbole and exaggerating.
01:30:27.000Clearly there are instances where general discrimination doesn't mean discriminate against human beings.
01:30:32.000But even then, if one guy's super tall and one guy's super short and you need someone to pick the apples up there, you gotta hire the tall guy.
01:30:40.000I think the issue with that frame of thinking is most people probably understand my point, but arguing the semantics of it doesn't actually add anything to it.
01:30:50.000I don't think there's a lot of situations where discriminating on race has any value.
01:30:57.000So there are times when you need to discriminate based on race for people's safety.
01:31:01.000What I'm saying is that Ibram Kendi's view is that we should form policies that affect people's lives and access to civil rights based on their race when my view is mostly a negative rights aspect of we should not impose restrictions based on their race so they can always enjoy full civil rights.
01:31:17.000Now of course the left argues but they're not being allowed full civil rights because of racism and I'm like private actors do private things and they're bad people.
01:31:25.000The system has already been healing from this for 56, 57 years.
01:31:30.000They complain about these redlining and blockbusting, and I'm like, yes, we have been solving for that.
01:31:50.000But don't you think, OK, but, you know, don't you think that the same tide that ebbed and flowed in order to allow for the civil rights movement?
01:31:58.000And I'm not drawing the same parallel.
01:31:59.000I'm just speaking in terms of cultural shifts.
01:32:02.000You know, the mainstream, the people who are, quote unquote, revolutionaries trying to change the system, actually able to create, you know, progress, quote unquote.
01:32:13.000But don't you think that most people don't think, in America, don't think like Ibram X. Kendi?
01:32:19.000And it's just that everybody's scared to speak up right now?
01:32:22.000Because they have a fear of, you know, that their digital self being maligned to the point where their real self is, you know, excommunicated from society.
01:33:04.000The United States system is an amazing system, but people still are doing nothing to stop the central planners and the communists from seizing power.
01:33:11.000So, hey, American Marxism, Mark Levin's book sold 500,000 copies in like a week.
01:33:16.000And we see a lot of Amazon number ones.
01:33:18.000800 school boards are up in arms about it.
01:33:26.000Yes, I think I kind of agree in that insofar as like, It only takes a few people to stand up to a corrupt system like Solzhenitsyn, who wrote the Gulag Archipelago and was able to bring the whole system down based upon one man who stood up and literally, how the hell?
01:34:07.000And if people are scared to speak up and talk about what they believe and they're willing to cower, then you've got one violent faction who has been given carte blanche because the establishment rarely, if ever, says anything bad about them, and another faction that is being persecuted and prosecuted to a growing and more extreme degree.
01:34:33.000But that's also true of your political opponents.
01:34:36.000You know, history is written by the victors.
01:34:38.000And you look at what happens throughout history with civil wars and conquest, and the people who are able to win and write the books down and spread those ideas are the ones who win.
01:34:47.000Right now you have a growing faction of extremists, critical race theorists, and their critical race applied principles.
01:34:55.000And you have a much smaller group of people who are willing to actually stand up and challenge it.
01:35:00.000There are a lot of people willing to challenge it, there are more people by the day, but there's also more Antifa people.
01:35:06.000It was 8% progressive according to the Hidden Tribes report three years ago.
01:35:12.000The last poll I checked, it was like 10 or 11 percent.
01:35:16.000They've grown in power for a few reasons.
01:35:31.000I mean, I would look to like Europe or Canada and like, you know, Jordan Peterson being a good example of like we were talking about one person standing up.
01:35:39.000I mean, he was the only guy in the entire education system in Canada who was like, whoa, you're compelling our speech and you want to like make it criminal for me not to.
01:35:48.000You know, say if I make him, whatever, if you say the wrong pronoun, I think it was basically you could be criminal.
01:35:55.000And if you don't pay your fine, you go to jail.
01:35:57.000And so he stood up against it and look at what happened.
01:35:59.000You know, there was this like global support that came behind him solely because he was that one guy willing to stand up.
01:36:06.000And that's in like much more, you know, I think less free societies than we live in.
01:37:12.000And my biggest fear is that, you know, if we don't do something, then the Libertarians are going to take over and Dave Smith will become president.
01:37:30.000You're right, the stakes are high though.
01:37:31.000And I agree that it's not a trivial thing and it's not something that people just say, oh, you know, it's just happening in, you know, blue check Twitter zone.
01:37:41.000Because I think, you know, all of us are kind of the byproduct of, I don't know, how old are you?
01:38:19.000One of the worst feelings I ever had, I remember I was in third grade, and they were doing this thing at my school where it was like an after school program thing, like parents were there, and they were asking trivia questions, and I was just a little smart kid, right?
01:38:31.000So I would raise my hand, but the teacher would never call on me.
01:38:34.000And so then I started crying, because I didn't get a chance to actually answer the question and win the prize, so I was just given one.
01:38:40.000And I was like, that was like the most brutal thing ever.
01:38:47.000I missed it by like six years or something.
01:38:50.000I think the internet, I don't know what brought that on, that everybody gets a trophy.
01:38:54.000Well, I think it's actually what Tim was talking about earlier, which is that the people who basically occupied the positions of, you know, being our teachers, were the children of that kind of counterculture movement of the late 60s.
01:39:34.000I was just, I've just heard that he was a party boy.
01:39:36.000If someone came to me and said, would you like to place a bet as to whether or not Trump did cocaine with a bunch of hookers, I'd be like, I will take that bet.
01:40:30.000This is a really great chat right here.
01:40:32.000Pierce Wersig says, Tim, I work in a grocery store and I've been noticing that a lot of the new products are coming in as smaller packages.
01:40:39.000Sizes like family size or large size are an ounce or two smaller than the product already on the shelf.
01:42:15.000I gotta be honest, I can look at a problem and try to come up with a solution.
01:42:24.000I can look at something and say, here are what I think are some possibilities, and I can do really well at Magic the Gathering when I'm holding the cards in my hand and I can make some predictions about what's gonna happen, what I can do.
01:42:35.000I look at the system and the pieces we're given.
01:42:37.000The cards were dealt in this culture war, and I'm like, you explain to me how you're going to get a MAGA hat-wearing Trump supporter who's, you know, protesting masks, vaccines, and he's protesting in defense of the January 6th riders, that person, and you're going to get the pink hat-wearing, you know, Twitterati anti-gun person to shake hands and agree to calm down.
01:43:27.000The Secret Service comes in, they cleared out Lafayette Square, and there was no pepper spray whatsoever, and everybody was completely peaceful.
01:44:14.000And actually, the only real like situation where things got very like, you know, almost to a boiling point was actually there were like two or three Code Pink protesters who were arguing in favor in favor of Right.
01:44:28.000Basically breaking the blockade which is like, you know, basically giving the regime a break. Yeah, right so
01:44:33.000The Cuban the Cuban freedom protesters were like no you guys like saying the worst things
01:44:39.000I put it on Twitter like saying very very bad things in Spanish to these people and
01:44:42.000It was because you know, they wanted to alleviate the to break the
01:44:48.000It was just kind of a little bit counterintuitive.
01:44:51.000Oh, I guess that makes sense, because that's giving the regime a break and basically, you know, giving them more.
01:44:56.000Yeah, we're a situation where you read more super jets when you when you blockade a government from getting goods, but then you end up screwing the populace or when you give the government goods and they hoard them away from the populace like it's a lose lose.
01:45:09.000It's kind of like us hoarding away from the Super Chat right now, so Tim, take the chat money.
01:46:13.000I mean, if you don't want to deal with learning how to hack a phone, it's not particularly difficult, honestly, to like flash a new operating system on your phone, a ROM.
01:46:21.000And you can get graphene and stuff, but most people don't know how to do that.
01:47:32.000Remember there was that whole narrative that it's like, oh, the only people who are refusing the vaccine are, like, white Trump supporters.
01:48:13.000Andreas, if you guys follow the vlogs, you've seen him put on a video on YouTube and there's like a guy walking up to a laundromat and I was like, oh, it's Ian.
01:48:21.000And he's like, no, that's someone else.
01:48:23.000And I was like, it just looks like Ian.
01:48:26.000And then he was like, no, it's a different guy.
01:48:27.000And I was like, so you were friends with the guy who was like this lanky glasses with long hair.
01:48:32.000And then you like traded him in for like an E and it's like an upgrade.
01:49:21.000I think the Occupy Wall Street people was the revolution, and still is, and then this aberration is the betrayal of the revolution, like Castro is the betrayal of the Cuban revolution.
01:49:59.000Is that like, there was supposed to be a narrative that was only Trump supporters, but there is like crossover between like this far left people who are skeptical of the government, skeptical of the WHO, the CDC.
01:51:42.000I think it was Zack Goldberger who posted this.
01:51:44.000People who identify as very liberal or liberal have extremely high rates of mental illness relative to any other group.
01:51:50.000Yeah, well, do you think that it has to do with like well, I think concern like right had the low conservative had the lowest Well, I would say like at least today, I don't know just generally speaking liberals, you know have an idea that they need to fix the world and Conservatives have more of a concern with their communities and their families, right?
01:52:06.000Isn't that like I think that's a Fair generalization.
01:52:10.000So I mean it that's just been exacerbated.
01:52:12.000I think as you know things have diverged more and more which is like I We need to fix this broken system, and that's all that matters.
01:52:19.000And meanwhile, you know, back at home, like... Conservatives are like, hey, I'm good.
01:54:45.000The left doesn't understand any of these concepts.
01:54:47.000They don't actually engage in these debates, they don't understand these high-level ideas, they don't talk to conservatives, and they don't understand them.
01:54:54.000What's the argument you're saying just there?
01:54:55.000Pro-life people believe the baby is alive, and the mother is alive, and the mother doesn't have a right to choose for the baby to die.
01:55:03.000When it comes to vaccines, the conservatives are saying, my body, my choice, which is a slogan of the pro-choice movement, saying, you can't tell me what to do with my body.
01:55:11.000The left then tells conservatives, you're contradicting yourself because you're pro-life.
01:55:15.000Because the left doesn't understand that babies are their own bodies.
01:56:09.000You save the human, and then the embryos come second, right?
01:56:11.000When it comes to abortion, they're not talking about like, There's two babies in the womb and only one can be saved and you have to make a hard choice.
01:56:42.000If I tweet empty platitudes, we'll give you a treat.
01:56:46.000I think the abortion conversation is the one, perhaps, that's the most divergent because, for example, being from the Northeast, do not bring up abortion.
01:57:06.000And it's not even as, you know, it's not even me saying like, oh, you know, I think that, you know, anybody who uses the Plan B pill goes to hell.
01:57:51.000See, the challenge I have with it is... Well, it's the health of the mother.
01:57:53.000That's commonly, you know, that's a huge, I think, kind of moral obstacle for the pro-life argument, which is like, you know, in situations where there's like rape, for example, or where the mother's life is threatened by the, you know, by maintaining that baby as viable or fetus or whatever you want to call it at that stage.
01:58:17.000Well, because rape has to do with whether or not the mother made a decision for that baby to even be conceived in the first place.
01:58:25.000And that's the libertarian challenge that I have, which puts me in the libertarian pro-choice camp, which is morally Difficult to put it mildly.
01:58:34.000Because mandating that the government say, your body is now occupied and you have no right to your personal autonomy is like a challenging position.
01:58:44.000You know, the argument I guess from the conservatives is you would kill the baby by removing it.
01:58:48.000And I'm like, that's true, but who gives that other entity a right to my body?
01:58:53.000Right, because the mom, if she's got a baby and they say it's illegal to get an abortion, the mom could just start drinking really heavily, destroy the embryo and have it abort or stress out or jump on the ground.
01:59:07.000I'm very, very obviously in the libertarian camp on this one.
01:59:10.000And there's different libertarian opinions, obviously.
01:59:13.000But then you have the liberal, modern, progressive opinion of everyone should get abortions because babies don't matter and they're not alive and embryos aren't real.
01:59:21.000That was the point of that, you know, bringing up the tweet was the guy viewed embryos as not being living things.
01:59:26.000And I'm like, they are, but there's a literal human child.
01:59:29.000And if you're like doing a trolley problem or something, or like Spider-Man's got to save Mary Jane or a school busload of kids.
01:59:44.000Doobie McNasty says Richie is awesome.
01:59:46.000He has the type of personal constitution to run up to someone, run up on someone with a rifle and try to save the life of a person who got shot regardless of the context.
02:00:49.000Well, that's, that's an interesting philosophical question too, because like, there's like the paternalistic model of, of medical, the medical profession, which is like, basically the doctor's like, you need to do this or you're going to hurt yourself.
02:00:59.000Or kind of the more, you know, we're having a conversation and we come to the best decision together.
02:01:06.000Like, I feel like that's the same thing with the government that we're talking about right now.
02:01:09.000It's like, does government just say, Nope, this is what's best for you.
02:01:11.000Get the vaccine now and or get the abortion or whatever.
02:01:49.000What do you think, Richie, about, um, this is a big conversation.
02:01:52.000Piracy, so if you write a song, and then sell it on iTunes, and then I download it, but then copy it and give it away to everybody for free, is that theft?
02:02:04.000Um, are you stealing the guy who's copying?
02:02:07.000Are you selling it or are you just listening to it yourself?
02:02:10.000So everyone's downloading it to listen to it for free.
02:02:12.000But does everybody just listen to it personally?
02:02:14.000You're selling a song and then instead of downloading it, people all just start downloading it from a torrent site for free.
02:02:47.000Cause I always was under the impression that like, you know, during the Napster days, et cetera, it was like, you know, Metallica who was losing a couple million bucks.
02:02:55.000Well, yeah, but if you make a hundred thousand dollars a year and if your band is making like 200 grand a year, it's five people and you've got to split that up amongst five people.
02:03:04.000So everyone's getting kind of like 40 grand, or maybe you're getting a little bit more, they're getting a little less.
02:03:08.000And then all of a sudden, the little album sales you did have all dropped because people just put everything on torrent sites.
02:03:15.000Now, your band breaks up, you can't afford, it's a hobby now.
02:03:17.000Radiohead put their album, what was it, Hail to the Thief, up for free, or Pay What You Want.
02:03:22.000It was their highest grossing album of all time.
02:04:32.000I thought it was just like, there are a lot of people that are, you know, you don't happen.
02:04:36.000Radiohead was able to give away their music for free because they were super rich.
02:04:40.000And so they were like, let's, let's just tell people to pay whatever they want.
02:04:43.000And then small businesses, people seem to think that the music, the music industry and the movie industry is all blockbusters.
02:04:50.000As if the only movies that ever get made are big hundred million dollar ventures from Disney.
02:04:54.000When in reality, 99% of movies are small, low-budget films made by small- Well, yeah.
02:04:59.000There's definitely an irony going on in media where- not an irony, but I guess it's just- it seems counterintuitive, which is that as the cost per minute of production of content is going way down, like a camera that can produce HD video is like one one-hundredth the cost it was ten years ago, It's actually in Hollywood.
02:05:19.000It's really being becoming vertically integrated.
02:05:21.000You know, the Netflix is and all the big studios are.
02:05:25.000It basically has to be marketed globally, like to China, to all these massive streaming audiences and the niche little independent movies are actually disappearing.
02:05:33.000Right, so, I've known people who work in the movie industry, I know people who went to college for movies, and I know what movie production is actually like.
02:05:41.000It's a large and massive industry of low-budget, small business, medium-sized businesses, and the massive multinational corporations that do Disney.
02:05:48.000But just because Disney is like, oh no, we lost 100 million off of our expected billion.
02:06:39.000To see if it was good, I just told you!
02:06:41.000So how come before piracy they were able to market it and make money and then afterwards people just said, oh, I think it sucks so I'll download it anyway?
02:06:57.000Well, let's just use, let's use films instead of music because I think there's a kind of a certain amount of capital required in order to make a film that makes it a little bit different from an album, right?
02:07:07.000Because you need more people to come together to make a movie, more money, right?
02:07:11.000Like, okay, so what's happening to films right now?
02:07:15.000Like, Independent, the independent film quote unquote business was much more vibrant when everybody was arguing that piracy was going to basically destroy the film business.
02:07:23.000So why is it that piracy is much less of an issue now?
02:08:19.000Nobody goes to your website to watch, you know, they go to Netflix and they watch some garbage.
02:08:25.000The issue is Amazon, Netflix, Paramount make it so easy to watch every movie.
02:08:33.000But if you aren't on those platforms, and I've had I had to say but I can't remember what it's not that hard to get on Those platforms though.
02:08:38.000It's just a question of whether or not it's featured on the little browse button It's but you when I search like this.
02:08:43.000There's like the same thing on you Post an amazing video to YouTube and nobody Frickin sees it because the the algorithm doesn't put you in there you go there There are tons of people I know who have pitched to Amazon and said and gotten turned down And they all, they produce the movies.
02:08:58.000Is this after the movie is produced or is this like prior to production?
02:09:00.000So a lot of companies will produce a movie and then pitch it for distribution.
02:09:04.000Some companies will go to Amazon for funding specifically.
02:09:06.000And I know people who have pitched Amazon and got rejected.
02:09:09.000And I know people who have then said, we're going to distribute it through our website and we're going to do a promo campaign.
02:09:13.000And then I know that people are like, I'll just download it for free.
02:09:28.000I think that the streaming services are the gatekeepers now, and whether or not you show up in the algorithm.
02:09:33.000And so you basically have to be one of these 10 massive production companies, and all the smaller ones are either getting swallowed up into that vertical integration, or they're not getting on the algorithm.
02:09:58.000That's what I'm saying is it's been solved and you're saying that piracy hurts the little guy.
02:10:02.000But what I'm saying is actually the ease of the streaming platforms and the fact that like nobody has to go and find their stuff anymore.
02:10:07.000We started the conversation by me saying the problem has mostly been solved by streaming services.
02:10:11.000But back during the height of piracy, if someone made a movie and the budget was a hundred grand, and then you downloaded it for free, Those people could not make another movie.
02:10:22.000Because instead of selling it what they normally would have sold, made money, and then filmed a sequel, people downloaded it.
02:10:27.000I was at the premiere for What We Do in the Shadows.
02:10:30.000And you know what was really funny about What We Do in the Shadows?
02:10:34.000What's the guy's name from Taika Waititi and Jemaine Clement.
02:10:40.000I was there at the premiere in New York City, and after it ended, they were doing questions, and I raised my hand, and I said, I'm gonna be honest with you guys.
02:11:00.000Yeah, but he doesn't know that's the problem.
02:11:02.000Cause those, none of those people that download it may have thought it.
02:11:04.000And you're such an arrogant, you're so mean to people.
02:11:07.000If all those people see that though, if all those people see that, like, don't you think that, you know, that entering the popular consciousness because so many people stole your movie, there's a certain currency associated with occupying people's time and, you know, them watching your content.
02:11:21.000Like, if I put out a movie, I'd be like, you're telling me a million people stole this and got it for free?
02:11:26.000Cool, that's a million people who saw my movie.
02:11:30.000I mean, I think down the road you can figure something out.
02:11:32.000You just keep washing dishes until you... I think there's a really easy distinction here, is that I've had a lot of friends who worked in the industry lose their jobs and have their lives upended because of what happened with piracy in the 2000s.
02:11:43.000You don't and you don't care about them.
02:11:44.000No, the entertainment industry is dead now.
02:12:27.000But does that theft actually result in... What if you painted a picture and someone took it and stole it and then put it in front of the White House so 100 million people saw it and everyone wanted to buy a copy of it and you became super rich?
02:13:26.000And if you buy a lottery ticket, you can win a hundred million dollars.
02:13:29.000But the people I know who are working on small productions for regional films and going to art theaters who lost their jobs- People don't buy those, dude.
02:15:57.000Will.i.am says, sorry Ian, if I work on something with my brain and you use it without compensation, it is stealing whether it's good or not.
02:16:52.000There's been studies that say that it enhances the sales of products.
02:16:56.000I think that's the best way you've framed the argument thus far, which is that, you know, basically, like, for example, with the shoplifting stuff, like these massive corporations can deal with that.
02:17:05.000But if you're a small business, you can't absorb it.
02:17:11.000So if you take away 20% of the margin from small production companies, and their margin is 18%, they're out of business.
02:17:19.000You take away 20% from Disney, and they're like, oh no, I guess we'll only make a billion dollars this time.
02:17:24.000I just think it's more the kind of the corporatization of art, music, films just over the course of American history to become more and more corporate regardless of the cost per minute of video.
02:17:37.000And so like the same group think that we see in the news is happening in Hollywood and like You know, but there are the Tim pools and you know, I think
02:17:45.000there are new independent filmmakers out there Who I think there'll be a new Hollywood new?
02:17:49.000I gotta read this one's great. Orias raffle Cal Cal says tell us the name of your friend's movie or it's fake
02:17:55.000so I'm 35 years old when I was 18 and used to hang out at Columbia in Chicago with like a
02:18:03.000network of 30 or so people who are doing various music and film industry stuff and
02:18:09.000And then when I was 20, I had friends be like, I lost my job.
02:18:11.000And like a bunch of them lost their jobs.
02:18:13.000Like, yeah, I don't know the names of all the movies they were working on or the albums they were producing.
02:18:58.000And also, last time I came on here, I did a plug for an intern job on the video squad and I told everyone to email Richie at DailyCaller.com.
02:19:05.000But this time, we need a media reporter and you're going to email Jeff at DailyCaller.com.
02:19:10.000If and because we got some great applicants last time and shout out to Juan who's on the vid squad now If you like to clip crazy moments in cable news, you like memes and you like drinking beer Jeff GEO FF at dailycaller.com Joff Joff That's fun.
02:19:26.000He would definitely not be happy to call the job and he's a big marine I had a friend named Jeff was by the way, I was Joff Joff Hey, follow me, Ian Crossland.
02:19:48.000I was going to say, you guys have to help me get more followers in Sour Patch Kids, because that's my goal in life and it would mean a lot to me.