A police officer was killed in the aftermath of the anti-Trump protest at the Capitol, and the White House has been accused of being complicit in the crime. The Daily Caller's Rich McGinnis and Jorge Vazquez were on the ground in Washington, D.C. to cover the chaos.
00:00:52.000I show all the polls explaining how they lost all their public support.
00:00:55.000Following the storming of the Capitol, Trump supporters are losing public support.
00:01:00.000And now Trump himself has just come out issuing a statement condemning the violence, the criminals, saying that there will be a new administration and a peaceful transition.
00:01:12.000So I don't know what to say to these Trump supporters that think what they did somehow helped them or whatever.
00:01:19.000But I can tell you, you're left with two scenarios, I suppose.
00:01:23.000With Donald Trump coming out and saying that it was essentially wrong, and he denounces this, and it was un-American.
00:01:28.000You either have a people defying, claiming to support Trump, but actually defying what he asked for when he said, go home in peace.
00:01:37.000And people said no and stayed and, you know, fought with cops or whatever.
00:01:41.000That's really weird that you would support the president.
00:01:43.000He would tell you like, hey, this is what you should do.
00:01:47.000or you have uh you know trump unwilling to you know all these people are claiming you know the people who are claiming it was good or whatever well trump said it was bad so i guess you support a guy who doesn't have the guts or whatever i think ultimately in the end trump condemning this is the right thing and it's very very simple no matter what you think This is what I say about Antifa and the Black Lives Matter riots.
00:02:09.000It was satisfying to their emotions, and it did nothing for them.
00:02:12.000In fact, it destroyed the support they had across this country.
00:02:16.000Of course, they still enjoy corporate support, of course, all that stuff.
00:02:19.000But from all of this, they ended up losing support, and now Trump is absolutely losing a lot of support he had.
00:02:28.000I'm not going to pretend like all these Trump supporters are all of a sudden abandoning him or anything like that.
00:02:34.000More worryingly than any of that, though, is the escalation that we're seeing from Democrats, media pundits screaming on TV, and CNN saw their highest ratings ever, just around 9 million.
00:02:49.000Official numbers, I believe, are 8.2 million, so you could just say around 9 million.
00:02:55.000Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon going back and forth, insulting people, berating them and mocking them and talking about how stupid Trump supporters are, how stupid these flyover states are.
00:03:05.000This sentiment is generating them massive ratings.
00:03:08.000And so long as this hatred persists, the only thing I can see is escalation.
00:03:13.000And so we're going to talk a lot about it.
00:03:15.000And it's going to be really interesting because we actually have two journalists who are there on the ground.
00:03:18.000You guys want to just introduce yourselves because you've both been here before.
00:03:22.000I'm Richie McGinnis, the Chief Video Director for The Daily Caller at Richie McGinnis on Twitter and everywhere else.
00:03:31.000And you were actually in the building?
00:03:59.000I think we're all still trying to wrap our minds around it.
00:04:01.000So apparently you guys got some crazy stories.
00:04:03.000But interestingly, too, Jorge, you did a bunch of interviews with people about their businesses being shut down in California.
00:04:08.000Yes, so essentially what happened was during November, during Thanksgiving week, I flew back home to California and it was just literally just like a family vacation and as soon as I landed back in California, I live in the Antelope Valley community in Palmdale, LA County put a ban to outdoor dining.
00:04:28.000So as soon as I landed back home, you know, you just drive around my community.
00:04:33.000You could just see all the family businesses, small businesses just going out.
00:04:40.000You're just seeing like the real-life depression of folks losing their jobs.
00:04:43.000Servers and a lot of my friends that I have, their parents own these restaurants and now their parents are thinking about filing for bankruptcy and basically losing their American dream.
00:04:53.000I think what happens to reporters is, living in D.C., you do get stuck in a bubble.
00:04:58.000You know, and I kind of did forget being in D.C.
00:05:01.000and just covering the civil unrest of how bad the pandemic is just hitting regular working class, middle class Americans.
00:05:18.000I don't say most of it, but there's a lot of people who are really angry.
00:05:21.000Yeah, and I think right now we're seeing a moment in American history where when you just push Americans to the corner, this is how they're going to react.
00:05:35.000County puts a ban on outdoor dining and now when I went to go interview restaurant owners, It was depressing at first because they were like, hey, it's Thanksgiving week and I have to lay off all of my staff.
00:06:47.000A lot of stuff needs to be broken down and yeah, let's do it.
00:06:51.000The first thing we got to talk about for sure is Richie being in that butt Yeah, I'm here in the morning, pushing buttons, pushing these buttons.
00:06:58.000Let me just jump to the first story and then we'll get into what happened on the ground
00:07:06.000trying to understand how this happened.
00:07:09.000US Capitol Police officer dies after violent protests bringing death toll to five.
00:07:15.000They say US Capitol Police officer died after violent protests bringing death toll to five.
00:07:16.000Capitol Police officer has died from injuries sustained during violent riots at the Capitol on Wednesday.
00:07:21.000A source tells KRON's 4, Alexandra Limon, that the police officer was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher by a rioter and was taken off life support.
00:07:30.000The police officer is now the fifth person to die as a result of the violent protests.
00:07:33.000The other four who have died are identified as Roseanne Boyland.
00:07:37.000Now my understanding is she fell and they believe she was trampled.
00:07:43.000I'm not entirely sure which one, but one of them suffered a heart attack, one of them suffered a stroke.
00:07:47.000And Ashley Babbitt, of course, she was the woman who had climbed up in the window and peeked through and the officer shot her, killing her.
00:07:54.000Now, look, you know, apparently some, you know, a couple people had heart attack and one guy had a heart attack, one guy had a stroke.
00:08:02.000They're trying to lump that in to make that seem like that's part of the actual riotous death count, and I think that might be a little disingenuous.
00:08:08.000Although, I guess if you suffer a medical emergency because you're older and you're in the heat of the moment, blood flow and all that stuff, you're going crazy and your heart's pounding, I guess it makes sense.
00:08:17.000But it wasn't like those people died because of external forces.
00:08:51.000It's all these little grains of sand that eventually the doors open and mindless people are just like walking up and seeing the door open and walking away like, wow, what's going on?
00:09:14.000You storm the Capitol, you got itchy trigger fingers from Capitol Security, and it's their job to barricade the doors and protect the people inside, and it's just completely tragic.
00:09:22.000Now, I'll tell you what- I'm also mad about this cop losing his life.
00:09:29.000I say this about the left all the time.
00:09:30.000They think the cops know what they're talking about.
00:09:32.000You see a cop and they're like, he should know what I know.
00:09:36.000And so they scream, traitor, whose side are you on?
00:09:38.000And that cop doesn't necessarily know what you know.
00:09:40.000Now, I think it's fair to say a lot of Trump supporters, a lot of conservatives probably assume the cops know a bit because they're cops and they deal with this stuff all year.
00:09:48.000But I'm not going to pretend that, you know, when you see cops going around and destroying small businesses throughout the lockdown, just like blocking doors.
00:09:57.000Yeah, that we see in New York and stuff violates the First Amendment when they're secretly filming, you know, Jewish schools.
00:10:04.000And it also violates the right to worship and assemble when they're shutting down churches.
00:10:08.000These were cops who were providing basic security to our government, who were standing around saying, we want to make sure everybody inside can do their job.
00:10:15.000Somebody bash this guy with a fire extinguisher.
00:10:26.000Um, you know, many news organizations and even some individuals are talking about thoughts and prayers for the traumatized Congress members.
00:11:59.000Capitol Police Chief to resign after Wednesday's riots.
00:12:03.000I mean, so there you go, that's the news.
00:12:05.000Steven Sund is resigning amid criticism over an apparent lack of preparedness to deal with Wednesday's violent mob on Capitol Hill.
00:12:12.000You know, I was on Twitter and I was about to tweet something like, why weren't the police ready for this?
00:12:17.000And then I stopped and thought about what I had just said when I made a segment on YouTube and said, I don't think Trump supporters will do anything.
00:12:24.000I think they're going to go, they're going to support Trump, they're going to rally, they're going to wave American flags, and they're going to march around.
00:12:29.000I didn't think there'd be people who actually stormed the barricades.
00:12:56.000Let me get your thoughts on, uh, on, on, you know, this officer and these people lost their life and then we'll go into your story about everything that went down.
00:13:02.000So, you know, just like, I don't know, tell me what you think about what the violence and all that stuff.
00:13:05.000So, I mean, first off, I arrived basically when they had already amassed around the Capitol and the police had set up their line.
00:13:13.000So right when I arrived, the first thing I noticed was not only were the police using mace and bear spray, but they also were the protesters were using it as well on the police and the police were less adequately equipped than I was.
00:13:28.000As a reporter, I had a tactical helmet and a gas mask and because I had seen the reports and I rushed down there and You turn the mic.
00:14:01.000Because we're hearing a lot of people are trying to claim, especially conservatives, that it was actually Antifa.
00:14:05.000But I've seen one video where there's a guy who does not look like a Trump supporter, but he's got a Trump sticker on his helmet, bashing a window, just like Antifa does.
00:14:45.000They were for sure not prepared, undermanned.
00:14:49.000I kind of went into it the same sentiment of Tim actually even reporting the ground was, I didn't think anything crazy was going to happen.
00:14:56.000I actually was anticipating more Black Lives Matter activists maybe making their way down and then, you know, just because that's what we've seen in the past.
00:15:03.000From what I saw, they were for sure unprepared, but to me, I didn't see anything that jumped out and said, you know, these were Antifa.
00:15:15.000I know that's not popular to say right now.
00:15:17.000You see that video where they're yelling, no Antifa, no, stop him, stop him.
00:15:20.000But then again, when there were these claims over the summer that right-wingers were infiltrating Antifa and BLM protests, What, were they, you know, did Umbrella Man wear a MAGA hat when he did the crime?
00:16:23.000I just want to kind of hear your opinions on this.
00:16:25.000I think from, just from my perspective is, emotions are super high right now.
00:16:30.000Even from a reporter perspective, like even right after election, if you just told the truth about the election, people are unfollowing you and canceling you if you don't tell them what they want to hear.
00:16:39.000If you don't say, Trump's going to be in office after January 20th, you're done.
00:16:58.000Even before everything broke down, when I was doing interviews, I was asking folks, do you think this is kind of a civil war that we're headed?
00:17:07.000Because whether you agree with the Stop the Rally march in D.C.
00:17:11.000That moment is historic, because we've never seen anything like that after a presidential election.
00:17:16.000So we're already walking on, you know, uncharted waters.
00:17:20.000So with this situation, to me, like I said, I was asking folks, do you think we're headed to a civil war?
00:17:25.000Nine out of ten, they're saying this is a civil war.
00:17:57.000I mean, I just think everyone's emotional right now, you know, and I think, I don't know, it's just, it's just, we never- Breaking in, you know, I guess maybe in the 1700s, taking the state building may have granted you some kind of power.
00:18:17.000Going in the building didn't do anything, you know?
00:18:21.000I mean, we've got videos of, I tweeted this out, the Women's March took over the Senate building and then they shut the whole building down.
00:18:29.000And they weren't worried about the fact that there was like a thousand plus people screaming at the top of their lungs inside the building.
00:18:39.000So, I understand it's a fairly different circumstance that, you know, storming through the barricades and fighting with cops and pepper spraying them and smashing windows and breaking in is very different.
00:18:47.000Plus, it was during the electoral, you know, vote count.
00:18:50.000So, you know, I just, I wonder what the goal is for either group.
00:18:54.000Like, the Women's March didn't accomplish anything.
00:18:56.000What did they accomplish really yesterday other than some people have lost their lives?
00:19:00.000I mean, to me, just, yeah, you don't accomplish anything and it just seems like Trump just lost a whole bunch of support.
00:19:06.000We've seen now the Senators kind of rescind their objections.
00:19:21.000He's definitely banned from Facebook now, according to Mark Zuckerberg's own personal post.
00:19:27.000The New York Times yesterday had two articles talking about the importance of limiting speech, and we are seeing people left, right, and center just being taken down for the minuscule posts and even memes.
00:19:38.000There's a meme of that guy who's wearing the kind of weird headgear and the face paint, and it says, Wow.
00:19:44.000you know 2021 I thought it wasn't going to be crazy ...
00:19:47.000Facebook is banning people's account for that post and ...
00:19:50.000it's not even a political post it's not even taking side it's ...
00:19:54.000a joke it's a meme it's people saying this year's pretty ...
00:19:58.000crazy band I Facebook and they just released these vague ...
00:20:01.000terms saying if you are supportive of this in any way ...
00:20:04.000you you get cut Michelle Obama just released a statement ...
00:20:08.000talking about how you know it's dangerous to have social ...
00:20:11.000media and I really want to kind of talk about the dangers of ...
00:20:15.000censorship especially when it comes to QAnon because when ...
00:20:19.000we look at QAnon this was a movement that was essentially ...
00:20:22.000censored but the conversation didn't end it was festered ...
00:20:26.000That conversation could have been addressed, could have been handled in a way where people could actually talk about it in a rational, real way instead of just going off on this bizarreness.
00:20:40.000One of the problems with Parler, for instance, and I'm not here to rag on Parler in terms of what it is, I'm just saying one of the problems philosophically is that when all the Trump supporters leave Twitter because they ban Trump, They go to parlor where they no longer hear the arguments from the other side.
00:20:55.000The problem is, for the longest time, Twitter has just been banning arguments from the right, so the left only hears their own refuse back at themselves, and Trump supporters leave and then start doing their own refuse back at themselves.
00:21:05.000Not just Twitter, Facebook and YouTube also going after people who were debunking the QAnon stuff.
00:21:11.000People who were saying, hey, let's take a legitimate look.
00:21:56.000And this is why I'm against censoring speech.
00:21:59.000And this is why this is an extremely dangerous time because a lot of people are using this situation to push for extreme censorship and the destruction of civil liberties.
00:22:08.000They've censored the President of the United States.
00:22:42.000And they're probably going to take down the rest of his social media.
00:22:45.000And they're probably going to make sure that he never has a voice in this kind of larger political discourse like he previously had before.
00:22:52.000And this is a president where it's going to be set where the tech ruling elites, Mark Zuckerberg, is going to decide what you can and cannot hear.
00:23:00.000Michael Tracy had a very interesting point about this that I think is worth talking about.
00:23:05.000He said, quote, philosopher King Mark Zuckerberg should definitely get to unilaterally decide based on his
00:23:12.000subjective political judgment, which definitely is not dictated by the fleeing passions of the day, whether the public is
00:23:20.000allowed to hear from the elected president good system and he makes a good point there.
00:23:25.000But I wanted to kind of bring it back to you guys here, because one of the talking points is that this was an insurrection.
00:23:34.000We have John Bolton, the man who knows almost everything about a coup d'etat, because he orchestrated them in the third world, coming out and saying, this was definitely a coup d'etat.
00:23:43.000From your experience, was this a professional coup d'etat attempt even?
00:23:48.000Well, I mean, what I saw going into the Capitol were some people who were intent on breaking things, but mostly a lot of just kind of bewildered people who were kind of bumbling about and kind of taking in the novelty of it.
00:24:03.000And when I arrived in the rotunda, you know, there were probably about 80 people in there and a lot of them were just milling around and taking selfies and, and it didn't seem like they were, you know, trying to run around and smash anything.
00:24:16.000Um, I think really what, what happens in these kinds of situations is, is once the chaos starts, you know, once a couple of people break through that line, once a couple of people start pushing up on the cops, then it doesn't take much for other people to follow suit.
00:24:31.000So let's just start from the beginning and let's hear your guys' story.
00:24:55.000I was there for Obama's first inauguration, and second, and Trump's, and it was not quite the same numbers as any of those, but it was close.
00:25:21.000So my understanding is that Trump got on stage and said, you know, everybody stand at attention and said, your orders are as such, go and destroy.
00:25:28.000And then he started passing out torches, right?
00:25:30.000Like Trump, Trump directed all of them, right?
00:25:32.000Like I said, I got there... I'm kidding, by the way.
00:25:35.000Even getting there, like I said, I got in there at 8 in the morning.
00:25:39.000It went all the way back to like the Washington Monument.
00:25:42.000Um when trump trump, I think took the stage around noon and he spoke for about 45 minutes now where I was at You couldn't even like hear him.
00:25:50.000So like the people were just there to like kind of be there but even during his speech People already started going to the capitol building.
00:25:57.000So, um, like from where I was at you couldn't hear anything But like I said, it seemed like a normal day, you know I was, I was watching Trump's speech and it was before anybody could have even left the ellipse.
00:26:08.000People were already at the gates of the Capitol.
00:26:10.000So like Trump and the people who were there.
00:26:12.000So I knew people who were down there and I was asking them, I was like, are you anywhere near the Capitol?
00:26:22.000No, but basically, yeah, I was more in the back section, but even during Trump's speech, like I said, you already see people flowing in and heading toward the Capitol building.
00:26:30.000So I did my interviews, and I thought it was going to be a regular day.
00:27:30.000And if you see the numbers, I mean, it's not a matter.
00:27:35.000I think that the instances that have been cited online of cops, you know, letting up or whatever.
00:27:40.000I don't even think it was a matter of that.
00:27:42.000Cause even where I was, where the cops were giving it their 1000, I mean, you can see on the video, these cops were trying their best to hold onto these barriers to hold the line, but they were getting pepper sprayed themselves.
00:27:52.000And I saw a number of them injured and going back and getting medical attention.
00:28:03.000You're standing up on the scaffold, you see the line break, what happens next?
00:28:06.000So I see the line break, and as the line is breaking, I have to give a shout out, it was my mom's birthday.
00:28:11.000And I called her in the morning, I'm not that bad a son, but she called me as the line was breaking.
00:28:15.000And like on an iPhone, if you ignore the call, it ends the video.
00:28:18.000So then, if you look on Twitter, my video is broken up into three parts because my mom called me a second time and I declined again.
00:28:24.000And she forgave me for ignoring her call on her birthday, so thank you mom, I appreciate that.
00:28:31.000After that, by that point, the police were concentrating themselves kind of in that open area on the stairs, but people are already climbing up the scaffoldings and into an area where they could still access the cops.
00:28:44.000So actually the scaffoldings made it more difficult for the cops to defend that area surrounding because basically that there were, you know, like little nooks and crannies where people could climb in, climb into those scaffoldings, climb up and get up on the bleachers.
00:29:21.000So it was right around that time that the lines broke, and it took me about 10 minutes before I realized, wait, there are a ton of people going in there, and I have congressional press credentials, so I was like, I'm going in, I'm gonna see what's going on there.
00:29:33.000That's how you were up there in the first place?
00:29:36.000Well, no, so I actually just, I had come down so quickly that... Oh, I see, I see.
00:29:40.000Yeah, I wasn't up there in the first place.
00:29:42.000Um, by the time I got in there, I saw a bunch of people in the rotunda, but then to my left, I saw some protesters kind of rushing down the hall through Statuary Hall towards the house floor.
00:29:53.000So I went through Statuary Hall and there was already like, um, evidence of some riot control munitions being used.
00:30:01.000Um, you can see like the pepper on the ground, you know, and, and also the orange tinge of, uh, pepper spray, you know, like it has a red color depending on which brand it is, but, um, So I proceeded down that hallway and I actually saw a group of protesters surrounding the house doors and there were like eight or nine of them.
00:30:19.000You can see it on my video right as I arrive.
00:30:21.000And actually some of them are shouting like, you killed her, you killed someone, you killed someone.
00:30:25.000And so they were already somehow aware.
00:30:27.000I think that was just immediately after the shooting had taken place.
00:30:30.000And one of them had wedged himself right in that door.
00:30:33.000And I think that's the photo that you see with the police with their guns drawn.
00:31:49.000I don't know why I said that, but I think it was Yeah, I don't know But you could hear another you never know how you act in a crisis people people think they know there was one you know Sometimes you blurt out Tommy, but it felt a lot better once he got it up on my vest.
00:32:07.000He was like holding you back or what so he was pushing against me to try to push the protesters back, but there were Probably 30 protesters behind me pushing against me, so I literally was just I mean I was telling the officers like there's nothing I can do and he was being pushed behind by his own officers, so This is why you shouldn't go in between.
00:32:25.000I understand what you mean, but you know, you're trying to, you're trying to stand not necessarily in between, but like off, but still sort of like, so you can see both groups and what they're doing.
00:32:33.000Cause if you're behind the protesters, you won't see what they're doing.
00:32:36.000And if you're behind the cops, you don't see what the cops are.
00:32:51.000And, and then there was another scuffle by the, the, the door to the exit, which had also been smashed and they were trying to close, but the protesters were blocking that.
00:33:00.000And so that was like kind of the last final push and I got tossed into the door.
00:33:05.000This is pretty big news by an AP reporter named Mike Balsamo who says quote US Capitol Police say reports that an officer has died are not true.
00:33:16.000Although some officers were injured and hospitalized yesterday, no US CP officers have passed away.
00:33:36.000I've got, what, 800 plus sources saying an officer died of being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, and we have one guy saying it's not true.
00:33:50.000He did... I can't remember what he... He covered some big events.
00:33:53.000He did, what Mike did was really cool, was during the Portland riots, he got inside Axis with a federal officer, so he actually got to be in the line with them, and he got to actually interview and tell their story.
00:34:03.000So, yeah, I think, I'll trust Mike on that one, but at the same time, we'll see.
00:34:08.000We'll have to wait for things to kind of... Look, it's really fascinating that, I mean, we've got, you know, KRON 4, we've got CNN, we've got a bunch of sources saying this officer died.
00:34:18.000Now he's coming out saying the Capitol Police are denying that.
00:34:23.000Is that CNN will get a story and then everyone copies CNN and cites them.
00:34:26.000And then someone goes for a comment and goes, whoa, you got to stop.
00:34:29.000Well, Tim, actually speaking of the AP, Mike, well, I got there a little bit after, I guess, the crowd has already been cleared out at the U.S.
00:35:47.000And it goes back to what you were talking about with the small businesses earlier, which is, you know, over the summer, what we saw were a lot of really people who felt like they'd been sold down the river and they were angry about it.
00:35:59.000And that anger was aimed towards a system that was enforced by police.
00:36:04.000And so the argument of BLM and Antifa is always, you know, they enforce a corrupt system.
00:36:14.000Not this last rally, but the one before, where all the Proud Boys were basically saying, you guys are enforcing this system that's stealing our election.
00:36:24.000But we started seeing the sentiment against police when the cops were enforcing the COVID lockdowns.
00:36:29.000And some of them were perceived as arbitrary by locals, notably in Staten Island, where you had this one bar that decided to open up in defiance of the lockdown.
00:36:37.000But two blocks away, there's a restaurant just operating like normal.
00:36:41.000And so the locals get angry, and they say, what's this all about?
00:36:44.000Why are we locked down and they're not?
00:36:45.000And they say, well, you're on the border of the red zone.
00:36:47.000So when the police come out and block the door, people in Staten Island, Trump supporters, come out with Trump flags, surprisingly thin blue line flags, yelling at the cops.
00:36:57.000And then it escalated when we actually saw the conservatives take the thin blue line flag, throw it on the ground, stomp on it, and then throw it in the street.
00:37:04.000And then I think now you've got conservatives saying it's the birth of right-wing Antifa.
00:37:07.000Well, it's important to point out in Stan Island, the zone that was restricted the most was a Republican area that many people said that the local Democratic government was selectively choosing to enforce these rules on.
00:37:20.000Well, they were also targeting the Jewish areas, which is really weird.
00:37:24.000Yeah, the Hasidic Jewish community and we talked about that extensively on this show and even had Heshi on the show who's still out there and going to many rallies and doing a lot of different stuff.
00:37:34.000I actually made my way up there and covered a story with the Hasidic Jewish community where they just defied the lockdown orders and kind of partied out in the streets.
00:38:14.000And what about, more importantly, Organizing and planning so that what you do is effective in some capacity.
00:38:19.000Because now what we see here is already there's Joe Biden coming out numerous occasions now saying it was insurrection, domestic terrorism, and things like that.
00:39:16.000Yeah, but I guess we've seen the escalation, like I mentioned, with cops and, you know, the Proud Boys fighting.
00:39:22.000But, like, you look at Antifun, they're showing up, and they've been burning, you know, Antifun, Black Lives Matter, have been burning things down for years.
00:39:32.000You get the ellipse full of a bunch of middle-aged and older Trump supporters waving little flags and Trump giving a speech, and they're like, nah, it's gonna be fine.
00:39:39.000You know, we don't got anything to worry about.
00:40:37.000CNN is looking at their CPMs, on YouTube perhaps, but they're looking at their ad rates, and Jeff Zucker is cracking the champagne and saying, we gotta keep this going somehow.
00:40:47.000And let's not forget, just a month ago, there was reports of Jeff Zucker wanting to step down because of the Trump administration.
00:40:53.000So for him, it was like, hey, I already wrote what I could do.
00:40:56.000We already hit the highest ratings we can under the Biden administration.
00:41:03.000So yeah, there was already reports of Jeff Zucker trying to step down, but with this, it's gonna You might want to stay in business for a little bit.
00:41:08.000Someone today took Chris Cuomo's comments a few months ago where he said protests are not supposed to be peaceful.
00:41:14.000They took the full segment and instead of doing the b-roll of Black Lives Matter during the summer they replaced it with what happened in the Capitol and everyone's freaking out about that video.
00:41:24.000I mean obviously it's doctored, obviously it's fake but...
00:41:27.000We have to understand, you know, a lot of the bigger kind of mainstream media institutions have kind of led this kind of foundation, this groundwork, that it's okay to use violence for political means.
00:42:08.000But we have to understand, BLM had the support of the establishment, of the mainstream media, of attorney generals that literally let off a lot of people.
00:42:17.000Trump supporters don't have any of that.
00:42:19.000So that's why this was a big miscalculation.
00:42:23.000And I think this was just a fervent crowd just getting the best of it all.
00:42:27.000So here's the question, though, is that do you think the conservative media's reaction has been similar to what, quote unquote, liberal media's reaction was to the BLM riots?
00:42:35.000It's always like, well, I don't know specifically, but I will say conservatives, especially like Ben Shapiro, will immediately come out and condemn on principle things.
00:42:46.000Yeah, like if the violence is wrong, if the left does it, if the right doesn't do that, though.
00:42:50.000There's right wingers detesting everything that happened yesterday.
00:42:54.000Fox News, as it was happening, had the head guy of CPAC on talking about how it was justifiable to assassinate and kill an unarmed woman who he thought at the time was a teenager.
00:43:09.000So Fox News already was saying, this is disgusting, this is horrible, this is bad.
00:43:13.000People deserve to die when they were shot unarmed by the cops.
00:43:17.000That's the messaging that was coming out on Fox.
00:43:18.000A lot different than, of course, MSNBC saying, oh, this protest is mainly peaceful.
00:43:25.000There's a police station on fire behind the guy and he goes, now, now, I know.
00:43:31.000And now these same people are lecturing us about how everyone who was there, whether innocent or not, whether bad or not, whether doing something illegal or not, deserves to be sent to jail for the maximum amount of time.
00:43:44.000We deserve to lose our civil liberties.
00:43:46.000We deserve to lose our speech because this happened.
00:43:49.000And this is bad and this is horrible because violence should be detested at all costs.
00:43:54.000Meanwhile, they were cheering it on just a few weeks ago.
00:44:46.000A group of several hundred people breach the barricades, they go in the building, and like you said, it seemed like a lot of them may have been just bumbling about, bewildered.
00:44:53.000There were guys smoking, literally rolled and smoked doobies underneath the Capitol Rotunda.
00:45:37.000I also don't think that they understood, like, I think a lot of the people didn't... Yo, that painting over there is literally priceless.
00:45:43.000It was painted in, like, 1784, you know?
00:45:45.000And it's this massive, like, oil painting, and there's just literally guys smoking doobies in front of it.
00:45:51.000And I got pepper sprayed in that room.
00:45:53.000And there was tear gas deployed in the rotunda, right?
00:45:54.000Yeah, there was, like, pictures of, like, the Trump supporters... I didn't see it personally, because I came in after, but I, like I said, I saw the evidence of riot control munitions, so...
00:46:03.000Now, how do you clean the, you know, they're spraying the fire extinguishers.
00:46:07.000People don't realize that all throughout the hallways of these buildings are priceless old portraits and paintings that are well taken care of.
00:46:16.000I remember when I went to the White House, there were rooms where, like, I went to the bathroom and there was, like, this ancient sword or whatever.
00:46:23.000I shouldn't say ancient, but, like, several hundred-year-old swords, like, outside the door.
00:47:06.000But I will say, at least in the situation that I was in, the police showed a lot of restraint in only pushing, you know, and basically relying only on that.
00:47:18.000Well, so, like I said, I didn't see any of that, so I can only speak on what I saw, but those police in that room, I saw maybe one or two times pepper spray deployed in a very, like, they were outnumbered.
00:47:30.000And it wasn't until, you know, the TAC police arrived.
00:47:33.000There were like a dozen guys in TAC gear, but they were outnumbered.
00:47:36.000I don't know if you guys seen that video, BG on the Scene got it, where you had the US Capitol Police guy, he was like in the corner, literally, like just shivering, quivering, of fear.
00:47:44.000And I was like, whoa, that was like, oh man.
00:48:17.000I think the only reason why I, you know, would think that I would get targeted is because I think I, you know, I'm not going to dress up like a Trump supporter, right?
00:48:26.000But when I go to an Antifa riot, I'm dressing up like Antifa to blend in.
00:48:31.000So I think maybe, you know, I stood out more than I would have in a normal situation.
00:48:35.000What I just mean is you are in this, a credentialed press, you have normal access to the building and all that stuff.
00:49:01.000To see that video of that cop shivering, and I'm like, that dude... Look, man, you know, I once interviewed this NYPD detective.
00:49:08.000And he was talking about the problems of the cops and guns and unarmed people being shot, and he said, it's because you got scared people with guns.
00:49:16.000There's nothing more dangerous than a scared person with a gun.
00:49:19.000And I'm like, there's a lot of things more dangerous, like a grizzly bear running through New York.
00:49:28.000Yeah, there's memes going around showing the pictures of the legislators and they're kind of hiding and the caption reads, these are the people that send us to war.
00:49:41.000And again, people react differently during moments of panic and chaos and you don't really know what's going to happen until you really face it, until you have that adrenaline rushing through your blood, until your instincts take, you know, just take over.
00:49:56.000You know, rational thinking is out the door.
00:49:58.000Some people are able to quiet their mind and see things very slowly, but very few people can do that.
00:50:04.000Yeah, let me ask you guys this too, because this is something... There's an experience that people often say when you're in these conflict situations, it feels like time slows down.
00:50:18.000And it's like, of course it doesn't slow down, like not literally, but you're just heightened.
00:50:23.000Your brain's going a million miles an hour and it feels kind of like you're taking off.
00:50:28.000Like Neo in the Matrix and the bullets are coming and then you're slightly moving away.
00:50:32.000Like me being in these different rides in these different countries and in places like Ferguson,
00:50:36.000it's not that time slows down, this is why I explain to people, but it's like all of a sudden,
00:50:40.000when you're looking at something, you're focused, right?
00:50:43.000Like, like there's a beer bottle over there.
00:50:44.000I can read the beer bottle and I can see in my peripheral vision, some, you know, some stuff, but like in these conflicts, it's like all of my field of vision becomes focused in focus and I can just see everything's coming in and it kind of makes it feel like time is slowing down.
00:50:56.000Your senses are honed in and you're in the moment and every sound, every, every little thing you pick up on and you register and it's there.
00:51:05.000It's, um, Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.
00:51:07.000And I think maybe for us, cause we're journalists and I think this is what it is for us.
00:51:10.000I think we, when we're in those moments, I think what it's called, it's called flow state for us.
00:51:14.000I think for us, yeah, for us, I think since our, our, our focus is so high cause we know, I think the moment, the intensity, the significance.
00:51:22.000And also I think a lot of stuff we cover is historic.
00:51:25.000So I think we know to perform our best that we just kind of click into this flow state and things just take, and sometimes you can't just describe like for me.
00:51:43.000But I think what it is, is in those moments when we're in those chaotic scenes and you don't know what's going to happen, I think us journalists, we kind of maybe click into this flow state.
00:52:13.000And it's a feeling of how is this my country and how is this happening here?
00:52:18.000And another time was when they tried to pull down the Jackson statue right in front of the White House and they spray painted Black House autonomous or BHAZ on the St.
00:52:34.000And it's also hard because, you know, in most of these instances I'm covered in pepper spray, so it's like, it's like this moment where I take off my gas mask and I'm like, yes, this is, I'm seeing, what I'm seeing is real.
00:52:59.000I don't necessarily want to say fear, because it's not like I'm heightened and I'm alert to something coming, but it's like a worry-like kind of stress, right?
00:53:06.000Now, I don't know if everybody's feeling that way, the people who are watching, because I go to the gas station or whatever, I go out to eat, and people are just going about their lives like nothing's going on.
00:53:15.000And I wonder if it's because I've seen this in other countries.
00:53:18.000The stuff that we're seeing with AOC and Cori Bush saying, expel Cruz and Hawley.
00:53:24.000AOC has said, we must pass Cori Bush's resolution expelling and investigating these Republicans.
00:53:34.000And I've seen where these street protests end up with people, you know, going through the doors of a building and taking it over and shutting things down.
00:53:42.000And now it's happening here and there's no escape.
00:53:45.000Cause I always knew when I was in some of these countries watching the cast in the destruction and yeah, criticize it.
00:53:50.000It's the journalistic, it's the parachute journalism privilege of knowing when all is said and done, I'm on a plane, I'm back home, I'm kicking back, having a burrito and watching SpongeBob or whatever.
00:54:04.000So I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you know when I've been to places like Venezuela and Egypt, Ukraine, etc., and I'm watching these things happen, I'm like, I know that I'm dipping my toe in, and at a certain point, they're gonna call me back and I'm gonna go home, and then I'm gonna go to my friends and be like, wow, how crazy was that?
00:54:28.000And people, these people who are pushing these narratives, these people on CNN who are just... I watched this thing with Cuomo and Don Lemon doing this handoff.
00:54:37.000And I almost threw up in my mouth a little bit.
00:55:33.000It feels more like the bottom of my stomach.
00:55:37.000Because it feels like this is just the beginning and it's only going to get worse from here.
00:55:42.000That's why you know also I was there in Venezuela.
00:55:44.000I went to certain places like Zimbabwe to Somalia to see just chaos and when you're there you know you do have a moment where you're like Okay, I'm away from it.
00:55:56.000But when it's in your backyard, when it's happening in the United States, when you're seeing people hurt, injured, when you're seeing people just lost, and you know them, it's something that is really a feeling that that's very hard to describe.
00:56:19.000Anytime soon, especially if we have these institutions continuing to put fuel on the fire when I was in Egypt and I know I tell the story about Egypt a lot, but It was I think was like the 4th of July actually in 2013 maybe when they started going in and arresting journalists there was reports that the military had gone into various news outlets shut him down arrested people and I'm like I I gotta call my security people, I gotta call my support, figure out what's going on.
00:56:45.000And immediately when I heard that the journalists were getting arrested...
00:56:49.000It felt like someone grabbed my stomach and just squeezed it as hard as they could, because it's like that stress immediately, like, oh man, I'm in this country, the revolution is right there, so I was like, I gotta get my wits together, I had everything packed, and you gotta stay calm, you can't panic, you know?
00:57:03.000Because I didn't know what was going on, right?
00:57:06.000For all I knew, they were shutting down the journalists reporting on everything.
00:57:08.000It turns out they were targeting certain journalists that supported the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:57:12.000I went down to the lobby, asked some journalists, and they said, don't worry, everything's cool.
00:57:28.000And then when the APCs rolled in, I called up the crew and I was like, I think it's time to go to the airport.
00:57:34.000We leave to go to the airport, and I'm like, I'm getting that relieved feeling, and then they announce the bridges get shut down.
00:57:40.000Like, we would have been stuck inside there.
00:57:42.000The crazy thing, I'll tell you man, when I was in Venezuela, I was, uh, we get back to the hotel, we weren't there for like, you know, the protests were going on.
00:57:50.000And we're going around, uh, talking to people, it's, we're in Caracas, and it's one of the, it's the murder capital of the world.
00:57:56.000And we get back, we go to the hotel, I go take a shower, I come back to Twitter, and I have like 10,000 mentions.
00:59:08.000If you had stayed a little bit longer, you probably would have been flagged and blocked, because they arrest people for way less than what they accused you of.
00:59:14.000Long story short, there's no getting on a plane and leaving right now.
00:59:19.000And, you know, all day today I'm looking at Twitter and I'm looking at the media and I'm seeing pundits, leftists, Democrats, and they're saying, we need more authority, we need more powers, we need retribution, we need reconciliation.
00:59:33.000Saw that tweet from David Cross where he said, F that, I want blood.
01:00:05.000And then even after the election results, CNN came out and made like an hour special where they compared the whole Trump movement to Nazi Germany.
01:00:14.000Yeah, it's like having these things play out in mass media, I think is fueling, keeps fueling the division and we are so far apart from each other.
01:00:23.000And then, you know, for me growing up in California, It's just like, now I understand, you know, people in California don't even understand, like, the problems of, like, someone in middle America and, like, Michigan and Ohio.
01:00:34.000You know, for someone in California, they think, you know, if you vote for Trump, you're this crazy, you know, racist person and then, you know, you could go to somewhere like Detroit and say, hey, what's the reason why you voted for Trump?
01:00:45.000And they'll tell you, well, I had a great job in the automobile industry, but then the NAFTA deal came.
01:00:58.000You know, no one speaks to me in Washington.
01:01:00.000So it's just like, how do we get back where we could just have regular Americans back at the table talking about these issues?
01:01:06.000But I think media right now is just playing a huge role in the division.
01:01:10.000And it's from both sides, not just from one side, from both sides.
01:01:14.000That was what happened after Kenosha, which is like one side of the media basically was telling a different story than the other.
01:01:21.000And me being the witness caught in the middle, it was incredibly infuriating to see one side not want to hear what you had to say, what you saw.
01:01:31.000Not like your opinion on the thing what you saw because they had some political opinion on it.
01:01:37.000I remember when that was happening and I remember saying there's no going back from this.
01:01:43.000Once you have mainline media institutions excusing violence for political means there's no way you could put that big.
01:01:56.000The genie's out and it's being vigorously rubbed by all the special interests that are benefiting off of this larger divide and conquer agenda and these people fighting each other and sadly I mean, I think one of the issues that led to this is the censorship.
01:02:11.000More censorship is going to create more problems, more disenfranchised people, more people not being able to talk out ideas.
01:02:18.000But they're going to go to the extreme because they can't resolve it with proper communication.
01:02:23.000That's one of the most important things that I think we should also talk about.
01:02:26.000And also the copycat effect, which I want to talk about in just a little bit.
01:02:31.000Actually, this news is from yesterday.
01:02:34.000Heidi Hatch from KUTV's confirmed a Utah man involved in the protests, uh, this, uh, uh, involved in the protests in Utah this spring was in DC and stormed the Capitol amid violent protests.
01:02:45.000It's a man named John Sullivan, and he was arrested as a member of Black Lives Matter during, during the riots in spring.
01:02:53.000And apparently he claims he was there just to document, but he was there as the woman was shot.
01:02:57.000So it looks like we do have confirmation of leftists, part of the protests that stormed the Capitol building.
01:03:28.000And so I said this a few days before, now that the Proud Boys and Trump supporters are mad at cops, what happens when Antifa says, okay, and they don't, okay, my enemy of my enemy is my friend, I guess.
01:03:39.000Is that, is it possible that some of these people at least, well, we got this from Heidi Hatch of KUTV.
01:04:15.000Oh, it's a riot or it's this or it's that.
01:04:17.000I mean, I just think that's a generic term as opposed to saying Antifa BLM rioters.
01:04:23.000You don't know just because they're wearing all black, you know, they could have come out there with good intentions.
01:04:27.000They're just a mom who, you know, wanted to, you know, her kid got beat up by the police, you know, so you don't know just because they're wearing black or just because they're wearing a red hat.
01:04:36.000Yeah, you support all the president's policies.
01:04:38.000This is why I don't care for the tribalism.
01:04:40.000That when that dude in all black showed up to that was an auto zone or whatever in Minneapolis and smashing things out immediately said that immediately they said this guy is far right.
01:05:07.000We'll get a lot more information as we see who does get arrested.
01:05:11.000Because they do have facial recognition in there, inside the Capitol.
01:05:15.000I don't know about... Well, we have a whole track, trace, and database society with the NSA and FBI pretty much knowing everything about everyone through their cell phone.
01:05:24.000They don't need to put out these, you know, these notifications like the FBI and the USA Today.
01:05:30.000They released saying, if you have any information, notify us, send us all your photos, send us all your tips, send us all the information.
01:05:36.000We're going to go after everyone that was inside of there.
01:05:40.000And again, we also... Another important element to kind of really think about here From my experience covering events, mob mentality is also something that people really need to consider because yes, there are some bad actors, but there's also some people just caught up in the crowd.
01:05:55.000There's one famous photo, I just sent it to you Lydia, of this like older lady with her juice box, literally just kind of like not knowing where she is inside of the Capitol.
01:06:06.000She was literally getting walked down the steps by Capitol Police.
01:06:10.000Yeah, Mike Cernovich had an interesting kind of comment about this.
01:06:15.000Let me try to find it here because... What was he talking about?
01:06:18.000He said, let's just say, this is after Donald Trump's announcement, he said, let's just say that the Trump campaign will not be creating a bail fund for his supporters.
01:06:27.000Lots of innocent people going to get caught up.
01:07:03.000They need a certain number of bodies as cover And they want regular people to get arrested.
01:07:08.000So what we've seen in the past is you'll get like 10 extremist activists, or extremists, and they'll set up an event that's palatable to a thousand regular people who want to wave little flags and say, you know, save the environment.
01:07:22.000Once they get that march going, they use that as cover to go and do some kind of action that results in a mass arrest.
01:07:30.000That way, when these hundred or thousand regular people are confused and getting arrested, you get a bunch of press.
01:07:50.000Unsuspecting, doting, you know, individuals who have no idea what's going on, who see an open door and walk in confused, bewildered.
01:07:58.000And then the people who are pushing for this, who want it to happen, can get away with it.
01:08:02.000And I'm not saying that it was on purpose here.
01:08:04.000I'm just saying what you end up seeing is often unsuspecting and bewildered people marching in.
01:08:09.000It's a very real psychological phenomenon of like a mob mentality.
01:08:13.000If a couple people do it, that's all it takes to be seen across the country.
01:08:18.000You could even see from the footage too, because right when folks are in there, they're just like Richie said, they were taking selfies, smoking pot.
01:08:25.000So even for them, they were more shocked that they were even Yeah, exactly.
01:08:36.000I was watching that, a bunch of streamers just having fun, smoking pot.
01:08:41.000It was kind of like, that's what I'm saying.
01:08:44.000If that's Antifa, then I mean, yeah, I mean, wow.
01:08:47.000Yeah, I don't think any Antifa is going to dress as undercover Trump supporters and then want to go to jail for 10 years to smoke a joint inside a Capitol building under a law that Trump put in place.
01:08:57.000The idea that Antifa would take their mask off, put on a MAGA hat, take their mask off, put on a MAGA hat, and then walk in and be like, I'm actually a Trump supporter.
01:09:50.000Trump supporters are very much like liberals.
01:09:53.000Not politically, of course, but in the sense that they like the country to a certain degree.
01:09:59.000They're okay with how this country functions.
01:10:00.000They're okay with... It's basically like reform versus revolution.
01:10:05.000You've got extremists on both sides who want dramatic change overhauling revolution.
01:10:09.000And then you've got the regular left and right-wing individuals.
01:10:12.000I think the problem is the left in this country has moved so far left, but also gains has so much control now of institutions that regular Trump supporters who probably would be satisfied with winning an election are now feeling just totally cut out, period.
01:10:26.000And so you then start seeing, you know, I think they're going to take advantage of that.
01:10:31.000That anger they have now will be used by more extremist types, including Antifa, who was clearly there was a dude there from BLM.
01:10:36.000Well, and we saw what happened in the first, the very first rally.
01:10:40.000Basically, there were tons of footage of people in red hats walking through BLM Plaza.
01:11:28.000And one of the big issues was Title IX.
01:11:30.000Reform from these colleges, making sure due process was standing, and these critical race theories being challenged, and she was very much doing that.
01:11:38.000That's what, you know, Trump brought her in for.
01:11:44.000I tell you, man, what happened at that Capitol, you know what, man?
01:11:46.000Look, there are a lot of people that don't want to listen to me.
01:11:49.000The left doesn't want to listen to me for sure, and many of the staunchest Trump supporters don't want to hear it.
01:11:54.000But when Lin Wood snapped off, I said, this is bad.
01:11:57.000When Sidney Powell snapped off, this is bad.
01:11:59.000Tucker Carlson said, I called Sidney and said, where's the evidence?
01:12:02.000And she didn't give us any, and what happened? His ratings got cut in half.
01:12:06.000If you listened to Tucker, Trump would be in a better position right now.
01:12:10.000When I said Lin Wood is tweeting like crazy and it is one of the most destructive things for the president, I had a bunch of just like ardent Trump-supporting people say, you're wrong, he knows what he's talking about.
01:13:00.000You, you, a bunch of random people walking into the Capitol building is a revolution.
01:13:05.000Like, um, that's not, you know, it's not, what's kind of the saddest thing too, that we should just take away is, you know, Ashley, the, the air force veteran who died.
01:13:23.000The people in this country are getting really mad and, you know, I'm hearing people say that it's a reminder to, you know, the Republican Party or whatever that, you know, we're here and we're allowed or whatever.
01:15:29.000And I was really interested in what Josh Hawley was going to come out and say, because I was actually shocked that he came out and was like, I'm going to eject.
01:15:35.000I'm like, okay, this is one of the more rising stars of the Republican Party.
01:15:38.000He's come out and just set himself as a populist.
01:15:42.000He also kind of set himself apart by working with Bernie Sanders on the 2K stimulus check.
01:15:47.000Once he came out, I said, OK, this is going to get interesting.
01:15:49.000Then, you know, Ted Cruz followed then.
01:15:51.000But like you said, everyone is now a jumpy ship.
01:15:54.000You know, Lothar ended up rescinding her objection as well.
01:15:57.000And it's going all downhill real, real fast for the Trump administration.
01:16:18.000And so the problem is, what they don't realize, or they do, I don't know, when they point to like this QAnon Viking guy, This is not the majority of Americans, let alone Trump's base or the Republican Party.
01:16:33.000You know, I really don't like it when the conservatives say that Antifa is the Democratic Party, and I'm like, come on, they hate Joe Biden.
01:16:39.000But they do think it's easier to overthrow a feeble old man than a fascist.
01:16:44.000That's what they've been saying on social media.
01:17:00.000You're creating very serious problems.
01:17:02.000And so they're like, we don't want to unify with these Q crazy people.
01:17:04.000And it's like, okay, what about like the middle-aged suburban housewife who isn't all that political and just voted Republican for the sake of Republican?
01:17:12.000You're going to accuse her of being a cultist?
01:17:14.000Are you going to blanket everybody in the same group?
01:17:16.000Well, apparently that's why they don't want to unify.
01:17:18.000They don't want to be, we can't associate with them.
01:17:20.000They have, they have a hyper-polarized view of the other.
01:17:23.000And that's all we get in the media, all day, every day, is the other is bad, the other is bad.
01:17:27.000And I think the one thing that's unique there as well, just in terms of the way that one side is viewed from the other, I don't think that... I think that the right might often say in media, you know, that the left is acting in bad faith, but they'll never really, like, say you're ignorant or you're stupid or you're somehow sub-smart enough to stand on the same plane as me.
01:17:48.000But having worked at NBC and then worked at the Daily Caller and for Mark Levin, I mean, that's a very real thing.
01:17:55.000And I think it's really, really, really, really hard until you're on that side and you experience it.
01:18:00.000We've got some partially breaking news from the past hour.
01:18:04.000Shamari Stone of NBC says Breakingham, outside the U.S.
01:18:08.000A police officer just walked by with a flashlight, shined it in our parked SUV and other parked cars.
01:18:43.000Police hold assault rifles and search cars.
01:18:45.000Well, I want to just mention too, Tim, before me and Richie got over here, one of our reporters for the Daily Caller was actually shooting some B-Roll at the Capitol, and he let us know after 40 minutes that he was on the ground that he was cleared away from the Capitol because they were searching for, I believe, a second bomb.
01:21:13.000If Ted Cruz says, we need peace, I say, thank you, Ted Cruz.
01:21:17.000When AOC says, no peace, expulsion, I say, okay, that's a problem.
01:21:20.000That's exactly my point, which is that if you wanted to have somebody on this show, uh, who was, you know, left of center, it would be much harder than I presume.
01:21:31.000And that is exactly what I'm talking about, which is he's beneath me because he thinks this, you know, because whatever.
01:21:38.000He's not establishment, legacy, whatever.
01:21:41.000It doesn't work for the New York Times.
01:21:45.000Pushing the humanism and the algorithm also specifically on Twitter promotes it.
01:21:50.000Whenever you donk on somebody or insult someone, the algorithm is done in a way where more people see that particular person.
01:21:56.000More people engage in that particular post and you're ... seeing more followers more likes more hearts especially ... the more divisive you are and we have to also I mean ... legitimately points the finger at big tech social ... media companies that have been benefiting off of this ... tribalism warfare that they've been breeding.
01:22:13.000They are partially responsible for it, and there's a lot of people talking about all these conspiracies, but this is something legitimately that we should worry about, that we should consider on a big level, because these are the ingredients that created this situation.
01:22:28.000These ingredients are only being added.
01:22:31.000This big pile of crap, family-friendly show here, But this big, stinking, peanut-filled piece of crap is there because of specific ingredients that are in there that could be addressed, but they're not.
01:22:45.000Even simple conversations about them are censored online.
01:22:49.000And again, we're never going to deal with it if we don't have free speech.
01:22:52.000It's easier for Mark Zuckerberg to ban Trump and then say, oh, it's for your own good, when in reality he's just saying, I'm more scared of the left than the right.
01:23:00.000So one of the biggest, you look at the things that led to Trump's victory, you look at the things now that are leading to the anger, and one of which has been censorship for some time.
01:23:11.000People not being allowed to have a voice.
01:23:13.000When you take away people's even ability to argue with you, well then they snap and they get angry.
01:23:19.000And so, that was a driving factor, and Facebook, and Twitter, and YouTube, and Twitch, and Snapchat, all these different platforms are like, let's spray down, you know, we got this big ol' pile of crap, as Luke said, they opened up a sewer line.
01:23:32.000Like, don't worry, we're solving it, we're cleaning it up, and you're like, dude, you're just filling it up, you're filling it up, man.
01:23:37.000Yeah, it's not gonna work, I think, this is a recipe for disaster, because if you're gonna censor Trump and his supporters in the next four years, we're just gonna get Trump or Trump?
01:23:47.000We're gonna get someone even if the left thought Trump was crazy we're gonna get someone even way more more radical.
01:23:53.000My biggest thing I actually wanted to ask you guys now that we're all here is do you think that the media just pays attention and gives too much story to these fringe Actors.
01:24:02.000And the reason I would say that, um, Tim, cause last time I was on here, it was, I believe we just came off one of the presidential debates and we were even talking about it in the show.
01:24:10.000We were like, we were like, why would they even mention the Proud Boys?
01:24:12.000We have people that are dying in this pandemic.
01:24:15.000We're, you know, we're giving them too much attention.
01:24:16.000And like I said, on the left media, it seems like any, anytime we have, uh, you know, anything, uh, regarding the right wing stuff, the Proud Boys are the easy scapegoat.
01:24:28.000If any violence breaks out, Antifa is a scapegoat.
01:24:31.000It's like, This is the interesting thing to me when it comes to news and conflict and crisis.
01:24:36.000You have the left, which has full control of cultural institutions, complaining about fringe groups of a couple thousand people as if it's the end of the world.
01:24:44.000And I'm just like sitting here like, well, I mean, the billions of dollars in damage and destruction and, you know, havoc that was reaped upon regular people came from the left.
01:24:54.000The Proud Boys, sure, you can criticize them, but why are these massive cultural institutions ignoring this?
01:25:04.000I guess the way I'm putting it, I'm trying to, I look at it as...
01:25:07.000Should I really be concerned about a group of a few thousand people who, you know, talk smack on the internet and go around and march and get drunk and then sometimes fight Antifa?
01:25:15.000Or should I be worried about the thousands of people that are being praised by mainstream media who are being propped up by leftists and they're comparing them to the soldiers storming the beaches of Normandy?
01:27:06.000But then we saw them celebrate Biden, take the mask off, drink champagne.
01:27:09.000So they're calling everyone right-wing, but what you're really getting is regular people who just see how absurd the news has become, and they're just like, okay, that's fake.
01:27:19.000And they say, well, then you must be right-wing.
01:27:58.000Yeah, he gets the Emmy and he's like writing a book and he's a New York Times bestseller for handling the crisis.
01:28:04.000It's insane, but Yeah, I mean it's just been it's been an insane journey just kind of been able to be you know Documenting on the on the front lines of a lot of these kind of historic moments And I mean it all really kicked off.
01:28:19.000I believe it was May May 28 yeah the footage gets released and The whole world you know just turn turn upside down I do want to mention, it looks like KRON 4 has removed the article about the officer dying.
01:28:45.000The media posted fake news and we all fell for it, but I'll tell you something.
01:28:49.000I think that guy is injured though, the guy who got hit, and I think he's in very critical condition.
01:28:54.000If Matt Gaetz comes out and says, you know, oh look Antifa was actually down there, they boo him, they say it's fake news, all that, let's come out and say it's fake news.
01:29:25.000Well, I think that what we were talking about earlier about basically being able to scapegoat that kind of smaller group that's easier to put in a box, that's what happened after this.
01:29:37.000Nobody wants to address the fact that these people, regardless of who they were, are angry about the results of the election.
01:29:45.000So those people that we saw battling cops, was every single one Antifa?
01:29:50.000I literally saw hundreds of people battling with cops.
01:29:53.000Calling them all QAnon supporters is just ridiculous.
01:29:59.000And that takes away the real reasons why they're mad, which is they've been locked down for six months, and then they feel that the election was taken from them.
01:30:07.000What if the reality is just that it was predominantly Trump supporters, but there's probably a decent spattering of leftists who joined in because they just don't like the government?
01:30:15.000What if what we're actually gonna start seeing is general populist revolt?
01:30:19.000It doesn't matter if you're right or left.
01:30:21.000Clearly this guy who stormed the Capitol building, this BLM guy, is not a right winger.
01:31:05.000And then what's going to happen moving forward when the conditions get worse?
01:31:09.000The economic conditions are bound to get worse.
01:31:12.000The lockdown conditions are bound to get worse.
01:31:15.000The restrictiveness when it comes to people's freedoms and liberties are bound to get worse.
01:31:21.000What happens when you keep pressuring more and more on a public?
01:31:25.000And again, it's so frustrating because For years I've been calling it out for years I've been seeing it and everyone's like oh you're crazy you're just hyperbolic and I'm like no you guys don't understand the larger ramifications from what I've seen in my foreign foreign reporting to what happened to other countries.
01:31:45.000That same thing is happening here, and again, it's just absolutely insane to see it happen in our backyard.
01:31:52.000Also, very interestingly, the president of the Chicago Police Union actually came out with a statement pretty much going against all the other establishment kind of thinking around this, and he said that there was, quote, this is according to him, there was no arson, there was no burning of anything, there was no looting, there was very little destruction of property, There was a bunch of pissed off people that feel an election was stolen somehow, someway.
01:32:17.000That's the official quote from the Chicago... There was looting, though.
01:32:39.000And I think it is worth noting that while a couple of podiums were taken, at least that I saw or what I've seen reported, none of those precious works of art were intentionally vandalized.
01:33:13.000I think, you know, you see some of these videos and there were enough reckless, rambunctious individuals, but a decent amount of bumbling, you know, bewildered individuals.
01:33:23.000Yeah, I want to ask you if, oh, I didn't mean to cut you off.
01:33:25.000I was going to say there's rumors, I guess, that like people are taking hard drives out of computers or something.
01:33:42.000But I was gonna ask, do you think we see something similar, maybe not the biggest that the same crowd, but something similar on January 20th on Inauguration Day?
01:34:53.000I'm talking about, it's 8pm, the streets are empty, and you as a journalist are like, I'm gonna go out and grab some food.
01:35:00.000And so you walk outside and you're walking down the street, you're going to get your, you know, crispy Popeyes, chicken sandwich everybody loves, and there's a cop and he's like, hey, it's curfew, and you go, actually, I'm a journalist, here's my card, and they go, have a nice day, and they walk away.
01:35:12.000Privilege Well, everyone else is locked in their house.
01:35:15.000They can't leave Journalists are exempt but then you're I mean what really what you're doing is you're being a piece of crap because you're abusing your privilege So just like but there's no real like Rules that can keep a crappy person from taking advantage of stuff.
01:35:30.000I mean in New York City I used my press cards to go to gala dinners because I was hungry sometimes.
01:35:51.000Well, it said Huffington Post on it, so that makes sense.
01:35:55.000And it said luncheon on it, and it didn't even say press, and I used it to sneak into events, and then we trained someone Wait, hold on, this is funny.
01:36:52.000But after I interviewed her, she was very, very disappointed and very shocked to learn the questions that I threw at her about honest media.
01:37:02.000To learn that you had been using her lunch card.
01:37:04.000I mean, there's a ton of stories that we could share.
01:37:08.000Also, does anyone else find it weird that the establishment went from, you know, defund the police to, we need more police, we need more arrests, in just a matter of seconds when it would fit in their narrative?
01:37:19.000I mean, can anyone just call that out as being... How perfect was it?
01:37:26.000that for a year they're saying defund the police and the democrats defend it saying it just means reallocate funds and then as soon as biden wins they're like we need police where the police and the left is in agreement surprise and there's no pushback and there's no voices dissenting there's no people saying hey hey what about what we were campaigning for what about what we were fighting for what about all the protests that we had about this very specific issue and now we're pro-police state because it fits us because we're in power and they're going to be using that power And the inverse is true as well, that it's funny that all of a sudden Trump supporters are like, oh, these cops!
01:38:01.000Well, they're burning the back of the blue flag.
01:38:03.000So that's also another huge kind of political transformation that's worth noting, because there's going to be disenfranchised leftists who are still going to be on that messaging, who are still going to believe in defunding that police, that are going to be looking at them in a favorable way.
01:38:30.000They said in response, they were like, after watching what went on in the Capitol, it's more obvious than ever that we need to get rid of all the Capitol police and replace them with social workers.
01:38:55.000I'm not gonna play stupid games, though.
01:38:56.000The people who stormed the Capitol set the stage and it was dumb.
01:39:00.000And when you get the same thing with Antifa and they're burning buildings down... Look, this is what I say about Antifa.
01:39:05.000If you've got a bunch of people standing out front of the federal building throwing fireworks and explosives and the peaceful protesters are like, well, I'm being peaceful, but I'm not going to stop him.
01:39:13.000I'm like, dude, you need to leave or you need to stand up.
01:40:26.000If you report on an event that is happening, and you report on it honestly, if someone doesn't like that truth, they'll beat the crap out of you.
01:40:34.000And in some places, you could even face worse consequences with governments going after you.
01:40:39.000And this is the kind of bigger worrying that is in my stomach, because just reporting on the truth is detrimental.
01:40:48.000And that's the stage that we're in right now.
01:41:08.000But it's true, you got the drugs to keep you happy, you got the censorship from the government and the big tech, and you've got the big police state boot.
01:41:16.000You are here, right here in the middle.
01:41:53.000I mean, go to another country, and you'll see how comfortable America has it.
01:41:58.000Isn't that kind of the reason why we're seeing all this, though, on both sides, is that we were kind of the first generation of Americans who were, like, promised more than we would get, and then we're, like, the kid who doesn't get the cool toy?
01:42:10.000Yes, maybe, but I think it's really about, like, We're spoiled rich kids.
01:42:15.000America is like the super spoiled rich kid.
01:42:17.000It's like the sweet 16 who's like, you got me a Ferrari?
01:42:45.000Admittedly, we have a weird imbalance if we can't get a home to somebody but we can overfeed them so we can figure some of these problems out.
01:42:53.000I've been to some countries where you've got homeless, starving people.
01:42:57.000So I think we get a generation, millennials, who have been raised with the utmost comfort and privilege and they're now being told that they were going to be rock stars and millionaires and celebrities and they're mad they want more they want something else and they don't realize that you can just go do it you know but but i i think the issue is
01:43:21.000And, you know, when it comes to the issues of, like, healthcare, for instance, I'm totally down with, you know, providing a basic level of coverage for all people.
01:43:29.000Like, you break your arm, you go to the doctor, they'll fix your arm.
01:43:31.000But if you get a more serious illness, we might not have a cure for that.
01:43:36.000I've had arguments with leftists about universal health care, and I say, how do you deal with like, you know, an extremely rare genetic disease where the treatment, the cure exists, but it's a million dollars?
01:44:27.000Well, then, you know, get it, I guess.
01:44:29.000So they want universal healthcare, and I'm like, how do you deal with the fact that there will always be an issue, I think, for the most part, we're struggling to solve in terms of treating human beings?
01:44:38.000Long story short, we are living safer and healthier, if we choose, than ever before.
01:44:45.000We have antiseptics, we have antibiotics, we have tons of antibiotics.
01:45:07.000I mean, historically, we are living in one of the best times in recorded human history, especially when it comes to access to clean drinking water, especially when it comes to access to food, education, quality of life.
01:45:19.000But when it comes to our mental health, we are declining abruptly in such a scale that it's insurmountable.
01:45:28.000And the solution by the system is just throw SSRIs.
01:45:31.000And again, I don't even want to get into that debate, but there is a correlation.
01:45:35.000It doesn't mean it improves causation, but there is a correlation between the rise of social media and the decline of America's mental health.
01:45:42.000There's also a lot of fat asses out there, so that complicates the whole medical debate out there.
01:45:47.000But again, this is why I've been stressing censorship, social media, the people who have the voices that are influencing us the most, the algorithms, the timelines, the things that you are shoved.
01:45:58.000To be a consumer the thing that you are groomed to be the ... thing that you were programmed to buy the very ... special interest to be is something that is detrimental ... for you and people need to realize it sooner before later ... because this mental health decline.
01:46:13.000is leading to a lot of mentally unstable people.
01:46:16.000And when you have a whole bunch of sick, lazy, fat, incompetent, crazy, dumb people,
01:46:23.000this is another recipe in that big pile of crap that I keep describing.
01:46:29.000And again, we could keep throwing it in there, but we could all see it's there
01:46:32.000and there's no way of cleaning it out.
01:46:35.000And then, Tim, since we're on this subject, I think it's really unique.
01:46:39.000Like, for me, you know, both of my parents are from El Salvador.
01:46:42.000We're in the Civil War, so I always actually grew up with my dad just beating into my head of, like, we are already so rich.
01:46:51.000We're already so lucky to already be in the U.S.
01:46:53.000So, like, I always grew up with that, like, Appreciation for like what we had so I think that was kind of a unique Perspective to grow up with immigrant parents and getting that and then yet, you know, my parents were like in the Civil War So they really made me appreciate everything here So I think for me that was like an undercover blessing of like we you know I never felt like we ever we ever took things for granted even right now.
01:47:14.000I'm still like oh Oh man, I'm not supposed to be here.
01:47:16.000I could have been in like an MS-13 right now.
01:47:19.000But I mean, I'd be interested to even hear from more kids who are immigrant parents compared to just American kids of how they feel.
01:47:24.000I could have been in Poland, slob squatting.
01:47:27.000And again, you brought up an important thing.
01:47:29.000I was brought up also by immigrant parents that brought me here to the United States.
01:47:58.000He chose New York City, and he's having a hard time leaving that place, even though I keep telling him, I'm like, man, dude, you don't understand.
01:48:04.000You need to leave that place, but he still is envisioned by like, this is the country that saved me from communism, that saved me from a totalitarian government that would throw people in jail, torture them, or execute them because their political opinions were different than the state.
01:48:20.000That's something that people don't realize is a huge threat of happening right now in the United States, and unless we fight, I guess we Stand up and understand what's happening and actually at least raise our voices.
01:48:53.000There was no one contesting a government and now we're in a position where Again, I mean, do I even have to point it out what's happening right now with the corporations, the mainstream media, and the government all in unison saying, more power for us and less for you because we know what's better for you, and they don't.
01:49:41.000And I believe the graphic is almost done and it's just a gorilla and he's like, you know, hitting his fist together saying, I'm a gorilla and that's it.
01:51:11.000Yeah, I got an Air Force One one from a journalist.
01:51:14.000So basically it's like a little coin and it'll say like Air Force, it'll have an eagle on it and it'll say like, you know, USAF or whatever.
01:51:21.000One I got was like Donald Trump and it said, Inauguration of the President, 45, 2017 or whatever.
01:51:26.000And it was like a picture of the American flag on it or something.
01:51:49.000I've seen journalists collect them because, like, I know a lot of journalists, they'll go to events and they'll ask the cop, do you guys have challenge coins?
01:52:35.000Soul Invicta says, Tim says that violence achieves nothing, that fifth generational warfare is all in the mind, and yet Antifa's been violent getting their way, Dems violent getting their way, the entirety of the human race throughout its history violent getting their way.
01:52:47.000Okay, and I'm gonna debunk that, right?
01:53:12.000They're not getting their way because of violence.
01:53:14.000They're getting their way because they, because the mainstream media, the controller of influence, Defends it, or covers it up.
01:53:20.000When people saw what Black Lives Matter started doing after George Floyd died, their support went down, even though the media was saying peaceful protest.
01:53:28.000So yes, I understand they're getting their way, but they're getting their way in many instances, not always.
01:53:32.000They're getting it because they're being defended by those who control influence.
01:54:29.000Well, that's why the mainstream media needs to hide it.
01:54:31.000But don't you think that they kind of failed in doing that?
01:54:34.000Yes and no, because it happened at such a larger scale that we don't even understand.
01:54:40.000There was other journalists like Michael Tracy that went around the country and told us that the scale was far more severe than what is originally reported or even known.
01:54:49.000Seriously, Michael Tracy got in a car and just drove to small towns and encountered places that no one has ever heard of and he was surprised to find there were riots there.
01:55:54.000If you go back hundreds of years, the reason taking the building meant you had the power is probably because the currency was in it, the hard gold, and the only way to get it was if someone gave it to you.
01:56:01.000So you couldn't trade, and so they're in the building, they're armed, okay, I'll do what you say, just give me gold.
01:56:05.000Now it's all digital through your phone.
01:56:07.000Take the building, my phone, my paycheck still went through it.
01:56:09.000Well, the documents, the records, if you took the building, you had everything that happened beforehand.
01:56:32.000I have a I have a semi short answer for that, which is like having been in D.C.
01:56:37.000for 12 years, I think what I was most surprised at working at NBC was that there was this institution of media that was built up around, you know, Bill Clinton started the White House press briefing.
01:56:47.000And then if you wanted to be a good reporter who got questions in that briefing, then you better not ask Jay Carney a question that, you know, will get you blackballed the next time.
01:56:54.000So if that happens over the course of 40 years, then you get this symbiotic relationship, and the media who's supposed to put these corrupt politicians in check are themselves basically throwing them a bone.
01:57:06.000I think the reality is, look, there's a gigantic machine.
01:57:10.000The way I described it to Occupy people back in the day was, you've got a giant skyscraper.
01:57:15.000And every day, 300 million people are building it bigger and bigger.
01:57:19.000And you're at the base complaining about it, and there's a lot wrong with it, and you're trying to knock it down with a ball-peen hammer.
01:57:25.000I don't know necessarily what the answer is, but perhaps the answer is to just walk away from the building and go find shelter somewhere else.
01:57:31.000Maybe the reality is, what we should do is vote with our dollars.
01:57:35.000Don't support big companies like Amazon and Walmart.
01:57:38.000Do what you can to support mom-and-pop shops, especially right now.
01:58:29.000We're gonna go set up our own, you know, like, go to Wyoming, go to West Virginia, go to Idaho, go to Nebraska, and just find open land and just get back to basics.
01:58:38.000Stop relying so much on the system and its comforts and realize, like, we live in this super elite air-conditioned clean water privilege and we can probably do better.
02:01:16.000That's what Hegel called it was Dasein, which is like when you're in your work state and you're like doing that, which you were put on earth to do.
02:01:22.000Like putting food on your table for your family through whatever job, but it's Dasein.
02:01:50.000Yeah, people who built careers by having all these notifications set up so that as soon as Trump tweets, they get the notification and can respond right away.
02:01:58.000Man, you need to find something to do, man.
02:02:00.000We got Daniel Maxwell says, Pence requires all factions involved to desire peace.
02:02:05.000Violence occurs when one of the factions decides... Oh, I'm sorry.
02:02:08.000Peace requires all factions involved to desire peace, not Pence.
02:02:11.000Violence occurs when one of the factions decides to use force to get what they want.
02:02:15.000War happens when one of the other factions chooses to defend themselves.
02:02:55.000Is the point here anything to do with like insurrection and the safety of people in the country or does it have to do with tarnishing and stamping out the legacy of Trump?
02:03:07.000It could also be another factor is I believe if he is removed by the article 25 or if he's impeached a second time either or that he can't run for a second term.
02:03:16.000And I think that's also playing a role.
02:03:21.000I was reading something that that's also playing a factor.
02:03:23.000They don't want Trump to run in 2024 because I mean, they still know that he still has that, you know, a big hand in that popular wave on the right.
02:03:32.000He says, What happened last night has me so conflicted, but what I do know is that all of us need to take a chill pill and it's time to primary out everyone.
02:04:55.000Go back a little bit towards states rights.
02:04:57.000You know, just so people can go back to the articles of confederation and everybody has their own money and there's like 80 different kinds of money.
02:05:10.000Let's see, uh, Lior Engelstein says, I was there in the beginning, but before it became super crazy, the switch happened when the news of the Pence letter came out.
02:05:18.000I sent Richie some photos of paperwork that was taken from McConnell's desk.
02:05:27.000People were saying that everybody was chill, and then once the letter came out from Pence saying he would not support the president, they were just like, I'm mad.
02:05:34.000And Pence didn't need to release the letter.
02:05:51.000He could have just said, I am going right now and I'm going to hear the evidence and see this vote counted properly and I will do what's right by the people of this country.
02:05:58.000And then it would have been like, come on Pence, come on Pence.
02:06:01.000And that would have been boring and all day with nothing happening.
02:06:03.000You know, all the Trump supporters waiting outside, clapping and getting ready.
02:06:05.000And then Pence would be like, Biden wins.
02:06:07.000And then by then it's late, people are going home and things chill out.
02:06:28.000It's for her to do all of that to die in the U.S.
02:06:30.000air force with four tours of duty in iraq and afghanistan and she died on the floor in the same place that center
02:06:36.000over there that's that's that's exactly what i said it's right it's
02:06:38.000for her to do all of that and die in the u.s. and
02:06:42.000where's all the protesters about unarmed people being shot But the thing is, why didn't we storm the Capitol when we found out that the Iraq war was a quagmire?
02:09:15.000I'm considering pursuing a career in journalism, but seeing the state of the media makes me question if my work would always be restricted.
02:09:21.000Is journalism a career worth pursuing in our time?
02:09:25.000It should be, but everything is de-incentivizing people from doing it because it's hazardous.
02:09:34.000It's becoming more and more dangerous.
02:09:36.000And the likelihood of you as an independent person making it is becoming harder and harder, especially with all the censorship efforts and the mainstream media just getting the dominant search results, the dominant headlines, the dominant algorithm feeds.
02:09:50.000But that's something that I don't want to say.
02:09:59.000But when you do make it, it's going to be worth it so much more and you're going to be so much more important than you even realize.
02:10:04.000Yeah, and if you're asking yourself that question, then I think that you're going in with the right mindset, which is, you know, you're doing it for the right reasons, so.
02:10:11.000All right, we got a very important Super Chat here from David Brady.
02:10:14.000He says, Hey Tim, donated $10 earlier but couldn't attach my message.
02:11:19.000So my thing is like, I guess the only alternative is kind of like a first come first serve, which means we'll send out a notice like, hey members, we got 10 tickets, and then boom, they're all sold, and then you can come hang out.
02:12:10.000I'm not going to pretend like, no, I'm 34, so of course I've grown up from being 15 or whatever.
02:12:15.000But it was always crazy to me that we could see the problems, we could see the corruption, and you're going off to some foreign country where there was no WMDs, and it just felt like a ripoff.
02:12:24.000And who was supposed to keep us from invading?
02:12:27.000Who was going to call that into question?
02:13:07.000And he was like, people aren't smart enough to organize, to figure out how you effectively target the corporations you think are oppressing you.
02:13:13.000So instead they want that immediate emotional release of attacking a symbol of that oppression.
02:13:18.000And I was like, that was very, very smart.
02:15:24.000Yeah, the funny thing is like there's a lot in West Virginia They have a mask mandate and you walk in without a mask and no one doesn't care.
02:15:30.000Yeah, you know, I have a mask I had this really cool.
02:15:32.000I was bringing up someone sent me a masks a little beanie on it So I wear it, but you'll walk in nobody cares.
02:15:37.000Oh And it's like, some people will be like, they'll avoid somebody who's not wearing a mask.
02:15:40.000I'm like, man, that's very West Virginia.
02:15:43.000Like, you see somebody not wearing a mask, instead of going up to them and yelling at them, putting yourself at risk, you say, I'm gonna avoid that person.
02:17:16.000It's just like, you know, bolts are going super fast.
02:17:19.000That's also, you know, a Keanu movie as well.
02:17:21.000Poke it and just like floats away in your life It also depends on the situation and circumstance because
02:17:25.000an individual who could have that kind of matrix response could also have a panicky one
02:17:30.000Later on. Yeah, so there's incidences of both of them happening. That's also, you know, a Keanu movie as well. I
02:17:37.000know come fair So in reference to my comment about you know, the violence
02:17:42.000400 years ago Rez says here's a few in the last years you Ukrainian, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Russia, Belarus, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Moldova, Romania, and they all had, they all lead to change.
02:17:54.000Is what's going on in many of these countries like a positive thing right now?
02:17:58.000Russia has been, I mean, I guess the Soviet Union was more of an economic collapse loop.
02:18:03.000Is that what, it was just like this, It was the drop of participation.
02:18:08.000So many countries just decided not to participate anymore, not to feed into the system.
02:18:14.000And you had protests, general strikes, not just in Poland, but also all around the Soviet bloc with countries saying, we're just not going to participate.
02:18:23.000And of course, the Soviet Union was going out of money.
02:18:26.000And there's a lot of different political strategists, including a very excellent interview by G. Edward Griffin with a KGB agent that talks about a larger kind of strategy here, which also could be at play.
02:18:38.000But again, all it took was individuals.
02:19:34.000You ever see that Treehouse of Horror Simpsons, where the guy plays a song, just don't look, because the advertisements came to life?
02:19:40.000And then all you gotta do is look away from the advertisement, and then it is no longer alive.
02:19:44.000But people also forget that, like, same thing that we were talking about earlier with drugs, government is a technology that's been, like, developed over so many generations and thousands of years, and, like, you can't just be like, oh, actually my idea that I came up with while I was sitting on Twitter is much better, so we're gonna overthrow the government.
02:20:01.000I don't know. Braveheart0484 says, the left has no idea what a civil war will mean to the right.
02:20:07.000The problem is the left is doing what every tyrant has done in history.
02:20:10.000What happens when the militia show up? The left believes anyone who disagrees with them is evil.
02:20:49.000But early, early on, the protests in Libya ultimately led to this intervention.
02:20:54.000Early on, the protests and uprisings in Syria, what we saw were the rebels pick up arms and they said, well, they're shooting at us, so we're going to shoot back.
02:21:02.000So it's like, perhaps there's no real easy answer.
02:21:06.000And perhaps sometimes the conversation stops.
02:21:08.000But I'll say, in reference to a lot of these countries, Yes, maybe you don't have to go back so far, but the reality is the United States is very, very different, especially today.
02:21:34.000The advent of the popular smartphone, the iPhone, now we have all the basic same phone structure of watching movies, watching videos, reading tweets, and that's changing everything.
02:21:44.000And now, when you go out and you hurt someone, everyone kinda dislikes that and they learn real quick.
02:21:50.000We talk about, like, false flags and stuff in the military.
02:24:56.000it's uh we're doing well here so i respect that point but i think the the thing being missed there is just because it might be hard and you're suffering under the lockdown doesn't make storming the capital the solution it doesn't make it work and my thing is and this is just me and i know some people don't agree but i'm gonna tell you what i think I would, personally, if I saw the system breaking down and, you know, the Democrats have won the election.
02:25:46.000It's harder when you have a family than I get.
02:25:48.000But maybe what needs to happen is people need to realize you might have to live like humans had to live.
02:25:54.000You might have to farm, build your own stuff, trade, and be self-sustaining, and be independent, and not sit there and be like, when will the government allow me to run my business again?
02:26:04.000Because maybe they won't, and maybe the elections didn't give you the outcome you wanted because the Democrats want the lockdowns.
02:26:10.000I mean, Joe Biden campaigned on locking down.
02:26:45.000Odra Noelle Zenitram says, China is vulnerable right now.
02:26:49.000They're requesting grain from the surrounding countries around them and trade war with Aussies led them to running out of coal for their steel production.
02:26:55.000They're taking firewood and coal from their citizens to keep up with steel production.
02:27:00.000Well, that's another thing we were discussing with China Uncensored here is that China is not this huge, big, mighty empire.
02:27:08.000They're someone that is supported by the U.S.
02:27:11.000establishment, but also a country geopolitically not in a good position with lack of really important resources that they are desperately trying to get right now.
02:27:23.000Ted the Second says, the memes on iFunny right now about all of this are on fire.
02:27:27.000The exact opposite of what CNN and others are saying, the voice of the people.
02:27:31.000Well, I agree that there's a bunch of hilarious memes, like the one where it says, 2020 was a weird year, and then it says six days into 2021, it's the Viking guy as president of the Senate.
02:28:45.000I was, like, clicking around, and there's a merchandise thing, and it says, you can pin a shirt, and it's the Harumph shirt, and I was like, oh, okay, so I did it.
02:29:02.000It's, it's, people are gonna wear the shirt, and it's gonna be a gorilla, like, with his fist like this, says, I am a gorilla, and people are gonna be like, okay.
02:29:09.000There's no political message or anything.
02:30:02.000And I apologize, but we have so many Super Chats that the YouTube feed actually skips and jumps, and so I'm trying to scroll through, but it's really, really difficult.
02:34:06.000And that's why a lot of people who do end up working a lot don't want to really share it with other people and are naturally more conservative.
02:36:29.000So the censorship that we're about to reach has never been seen before.
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