Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Cenk Uygur Says Conservatives Are LOSING The Culture War w-Charlie Kirk

00:00:00.000 You may have heard the news that a bunch of crackpots tore down some more statues, this

00:00:22.000 time in Canada and on Canada Day, and it was Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II.

00:00:27.000 I talked about this earlier, and I said this kind of stuff is alarming because, you know, ten years ago, these people were complaining about video games.

00:00:34.000 Ten years later, they're physically present, causing violence and destruction and tearing down statues.

00:00:38.000 Eventually, when the existing politicians age out or die, These people replace them because these are the people who are politically and physically active.

00:00:48.000 So unless something actually happens, we sit back, they take over.

00:00:52.000 But there are a lot of people that are actually challenging, you know, younger people to think, to care about things.

00:00:59.000 And there's an interesting tweet from Cenk Uygur.

00:01:01.000 He tweeted that Ben Shapiro was panicking because they, conservatives probably, are losing the culture war.

00:01:06.000 I'm not so convinced.

00:01:08.000 Joining us tonight is Charlie Kirk.

00:01:10.000 You want to introduce yourself?

00:01:11.000 Honored to be here.

00:01:12.000 I run Turning Point USA, and people can check out our podcast, Charlie Kirk Show Podcast.

00:01:17.000 And the whole point of everything I'm saying is that you guys work with high school students and college students, and you're essentially presenting an alternative worldview that they probably won't get from the mainstream media, obviously.

00:01:17.000 Right on.

00:01:29.000 That's correct.

00:01:30.000 Yeah, I mean, we're trying to stem the tide of the manufacturing of revolutionaries, which it happens in our high school and colleges.

00:01:36.000 And what you saw in Canada is very predictable, and it won't stop.

00:01:39.000 I mean, there are no limitations on the appetite of someone who wants to upheaval of Western society.

00:01:46.000 So that's basically what we're gonna be getting into, but we also have Will Chamberlain hanging out.

00:01:49.000 It's good to be here, as always.

00:01:51.000 Not the basketball player.

00:01:52.000 Wilt.

00:01:52.000 Not the basketball player.

00:01:53.000 Will, not Wilt.

00:01:54.000 No, not quite as tall.

00:01:56.000 But yeah, Will Chamberlain.

00:01:57.000 I'm co-publisher of Human Events and Senior Counsel at the Internet Accountability Project, where we fight big tech abuses.

00:02:05.000 Lucky enough to have Charlie contributing at Human Events, which is pretty cool.

00:02:08.000 But happy to be here.

00:02:09.000 Right on.

00:02:10.000 What's up, everybody?

00:02:11.000 Ian Crosland over here.

00:02:12.000 I'm going to rep Black Rock, Blackstone tonight.

00:02:15.000 They've been buying up a lot of property, so I got my own.

00:02:17.000 Black Rock is a piece of obsidian, the original scrying glass, I think, where they get their name from.

00:02:22.000 Let's go deep.

00:02:24.000 And I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons.

00:02:26.000 I get the impression I will not be getting many words in edgewise tonight.

00:02:30.000 So just let the guys have fun.

00:02:31.000 There are a lot of people here.

00:02:32.000 There are.

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00:03:27.000 And I'm gonna start with this here tweet from none other than Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks.

00:03:32.000 Cenk tweeted, I was watching a random Ben Shapiro clip because of a segment we're going to do today.

00:03:37.000 It's amazing and hilarious how panicked they are that they're losing the culture war.

00:03:42.000 It's true.

00:03:43.000 They are losing.

00:03:44.000 LOL.

00:03:45.000 I'd like to point out, um...

00:03:48.000 I'm not going to get too deep in on this one, but I'm going to explain to you what matters to me in terms of the culture war.

00:03:54.000 Now, first I'll say I don't know that they, if it's referring to conservatives, are losing.

00:04:00.000 It's certainly not just conservatives on one side and just leftists on the other.

00:04:03.000 There's a whole network of different political factions.

00:04:06.000 Obviously, the intellectual dark web is a bunch of typically progressives who are not in line with Cenk Uygur.

00:04:12.000 But, um, I just want to mention that on May 31st, 2019, Cenk Uygur defended child drag shows where a child dances on stage and gets money thrown at him and said it wasn't child abuse when he's brought into adult venues.

00:04:25.000 I'm sickened by this.

00:04:26.000 And you want to talk about why the culture war matters?

00:04:30.000 Because I don't think 11-year-old boys should be taking off their clothing on stage for a bunch of adult men who are handing dollar bills to him.

00:04:37.000 That's just one thing we can talk about, but that really bothered me.

00:04:39.000 If Cenk Uygur thinks he's winning that one, then heaven help us.

00:04:43.000 But, I digress.

00:04:45.000 That's just, that gets me heated.

00:04:47.000 Charlie, you are running an organization that actually is working with young people, so maybe there's some hope, I suppose.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, I mean, the question of whether we're winning the culture war or not is an interesting one.

00:04:57.000 I think there's certain fronts that we're definitely winning on.

00:04:59.000 It's a multi-front war, and there's some things that we're definitely losing on.

00:05:02.000 I mean, we're losing the kind of corporate HR battle of whether or not the companies that we purchase our products from are actually going to represent their customers or represent the values of their customers.

00:05:14.000 definitely losing on that front. And until it actually hits the

00:05:18.000 long term bottom line of some of these companies, that's not

00:05:20.000 going to change. But I think you see from the what I think is

00:05:24.000 the closest thing to the Tea Party movement in 2010, which is

00:05:27.000 the school board kind of uprising, which is organic and exciting. And out of nowhere, that these ideas when

00:05:34.000 actually presented in the public light are unbelievably unpopular.

00:05:39.000 And woke ism, for lack of a better term, has been able to kind

00:05:43.000 of sneak into these different institutions, because it's

00:05:47.000 disguised itself under these sort of banner terms, kind of communicated by people that have the trust of the citizenry.

00:05:54.000 But the more people learn about it, the less popular they actually are.

00:05:58.000 If we do our job, I think it's inevitable that we're going to be able to push back against some of this.

00:06:04.000 Some of the biggest issues we have, though, is that it seems as if the people with financial and cultural and corporate power are completely indifferent about the needs, wants, or interests of the actual people, and they're willing to crush you if you disagree with them.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:19.000 For whatever reason, powerful corporate interests, be it because they're infiltrated, I suppose, by ideologues, they're more scared of the left than they are of the right.

00:06:30.000 The right can start a boycott, and it rarely ever has a big impact.

00:06:34.000 But if the left comes out, what did we just have?

00:06:36.000 This is a hilarious tweet.

00:06:37.000 Someone put a sticker that said, I heart JK Rowling on a train.

00:06:40.000 And so some random Twitter account tweeted to the metro, I can't remember which country, I think it was the UK, and said it's transphobic.

00:06:46.000 And they were like, we're so sorry, we'll get rid of it immediately.

00:06:49.000 That's how insane it is.

00:06:50.000 So there's that bias, but I will say when it comes to Loudoun County, the parents there, this is like where the big fight is happening.

00:06:58.000 It's actually, we're about a minute from Loudoun County, about 20 minutes from the actual school board.

00:07:03.000 But these parents started seeing not just critical race theory.

00:07:06.000 They started seeing critical theory in general, this Marxist view of oppressed versus oppressor.

00:07:11.000 It includes critical gender theory.

00:07:12.000 And once they realized what was happening, they snapped.

00:07:15.000 They were like, no way you're teaching my kids these things.

00:07:18.000 Now, I want to go back just briefly and not to the exact subject matter of the of the Young Turks and what they were defending.

00:07:25.000 But in that segment, you know, I watched it because I'm thinking like, what does Cenk Uygur actually support in his culture war?

00:07:30.000 In that video clip, Jordan Klepper, I think his name is, comedy central guy.

00:07:34.000 He's just like, it's so great to see this young child saying he wants to be an advocate.

00:07:38.000 They don't know at all what's going on with that kid, and they don't care.

00:07:41.000 They are so tribalist.

00:07:43.000 Tribalistic.

00:07:45.000 That their whole, their whole thing is just, eh, if the right hates it, we gotta like it.

00:07:51.000 Suppose that's where we're at, huh?

00:07:53.000 That was why I brought up earlier that I think that anyone that wants someone to lose this

00:07:56.000 culture war is missing the point.

00:07:58.000 I think that if, and you were saying, well, hey, this child abuse, how can you, you gotta,

00:08:02.000 you gotta make them lose.

00:08:03.000 And I was like, my thing is before the show, you might, yeah, before the show, if, if,

00:08:08.000 if we can make them not do child abuse anymore, then they actually win.

00:08:11.000 We're not trying to destroy people and make them lose.

00:08:14.000 We want everyone to win by changing these bizarre behaviors and kind of create a better society, I think, so that everybody wins.

00:08:21.000 Yeah, and the bottom line of all of this is the death of objectivity, right?

00:08:26.000 So, basically, the Chenk worldview, which is nihilistic in nature, is that, well, who's to say that that's a bad thing? 0.99

00:08:33.000 It might be somebody's truth that it's a good thing that the child can dance.

00:08:36.000 It all comes back down and that's that that if you if you really go down to its most basic argument is can we as human beings use reason and our faculty and our consciousness to come to some agreed-upon terms of what is good what is bad what is evil and what is true and this used to be a basically a non-negotiable tenant of western society which is that we're going to agree that there is a moral law governing us as human beings.

00:09:02.000 I would go as far to say that we agreed that there was a transcendent order And almost every single one of these initiatives tries to change the paradigm completely of how the citizenry or the population views that.

00:09:13.000 And so, in its essence, it's deconstructionist, to say the least.

00:09:18.000 We mentioned that you guys... I don't know what the right word is, but you communicate with younger people, high school students.

00:09:24.000 Well, they're going to grade school, man.

00:09:26.000 They're going younger.

00:09:27.000 They're going to nurseries and younger.

00:09:30.000 And this is all part of a broader project Of trying to almost push nihilism with evangelistic fervor.

00:09:38.000 And there's an exciting part of this for us, because for the first time in a long time, we're no longer really having these robust discussions on corporate tax rates.

00:09:47.000 That's really boring, actually.

00:09:48.000 We're now actually arguing very basic human philosophy, which is, do you think there is meaning to your existence?

00:09:55.000 And if so, do you want to create an order or a civil framework to reflect that meaning?

00:10:00.000 That is the true collision point we're seeing.

00:10:02.000 You know, when I... Perhaps it's very... I don't know what the right word is.

00:10:06.000 Hyperbolic or... It's a straw man to look at Cenk Uygur's, you know, one of the worst things he's defended.

00:10:14.000 But I genuinely think that's a good and important point to bring up when he's talking about why they're winning the culture war, why it's... These are some of the things that they're actively defending, but I will point out...

00:10:23.000 You know, look, I don't consider myself a conservative, but when I look at the right, we mentioned this briefly before the show, Steve King was his name, right?

00:10:29.000 The rep.

00:10:31.000 He tweeted something about white nationalism.

00:10:32.000 He said something like, why was it a bad thing?

00:10:35.000 And then what happens?

00:10:36.000 He gets primaried.

00:10:37.000 First, he gets kicked off all his committees.

00:10:40.000 Republicans are like, we're not having it.

00:10:41.000 Then he gets primaried.

00:10:42.000 Someone runs against him and like, no, we're not having it.

00:10:44.000 Now he's out.

00:10:46.000 The Republicans have no problem, in fact, to a fault, going after their own because of ideological purity.

00:10:52.000 We talk about the left and the circular firing squad, but I mean, look at the Republicans going after Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:10:57.000 There's pros and there's cons there.

00:10:58.000 I can look to Republicans and be like, see, look, when that guy said a racism, they said goodbye.

00:11:02.000 But when Ilhan Omar comes out and says whatever, they defend it.

00:11:05.000 When you get something that is clearly objectionable to regular parents, they come out and defend it and call these parents right-wingers.

00:11:11.000 They try to dox them, they call them alt-right, whatever.

00:11:13.000 This is regular mom, man.

00:11:15.000 It's a regular mom who lives in the D.C. 1.00

00:11:17.000 area who's upset about what's happening.

00:11:18.000 Yeah, I mean, there's this big difference between the kind of moral universes that the left and right inhabit, and the left is much less about principle and much more about the ends that they think are ultimately moral.

00:11:29.000 And I don't necessarily think it's nihilism, but I think it is ultimately defined by this kind of, like, you know, anti-racism, anti-discrimination ethic, that that's the only soul, that's basically the only real good.

00:11:40.000 Anti-discrimination?

00:11:43.000 In a certain context, right?

00:11:44.000 I won't say that the left is purely anti-discriminatory.

00:11:46.000 They have big, fat blind spots.

00:11:48.000 I mean, their ideology is literally pro-discrimination.

00:11:52.000 But anti-discrimination in that they're like, hey, let this six-year-old dance.

00:11:55.000 It doesn't matter that he's six.

00:11:56.000 Don't discriminate.

00:11:57.000 Equity and liberationist, I guess.

00:11:59.000 They don't discriminate based on age.

00:12:02.000 That's a true point.

00:12:03.000 Right.

00:12:03.000 And so that ends up being this totalizing moral code, and it's so totalizing.

00:12:08.000 That it justifies basically tolerating any sort of bad behavior from the people advocating for it, right?

00:12:14.000 Because it's like this, we are ruthlessly pragmatic in service of this goal that we think is completely the single most important thing in the world.

00:12:21.000 So even if the people we rely on to push it, you know, are activists or whatever, are behaving corruptly, doesn't matter.

00:12:27.000 Who cares?

00:12:28.000 I got freaked out by a meme on Facebook.

00:12:30.000 Somebody posted this image and it was like... I can't remember exactly what it was.

00:12:34.000 It was about Derek Chauvin going to prison.

00:12:37.000 And I was thinking about the idea of Derek Chauvin going to prison.

00:12:41.000 They said something related to the hard work and the press.

00:12:45.000 I remember now.

00:12:46.000 They said if it wasn't for that little girl, that young woman who filmed that, Chauvin would have gotten away with it.

00:12:51.000 And I thought about that and I said, I responded with, don't forget the violence and the terror.

00:12:55.000 If it wasn't for Antifa and Black Lives Matter, Chauvin may have actually gotten away with it. 0.99

00:13:00.000 It was only because of the violence and the extreme pressure and the men with machine guns forced to come and defend the jurors, the jurors were scared enough to say, we're going to convict.

00:13:09.000 These people liked that idea.

00:13:11.000 You know, I said something to that effect, I get a like on it.

00:13:12.000 They're like, that's right.

00:13:13.000 If it wasn't for the activists and the people who went out and smashed those windows, they may have let Chauvin go.

00:13:18.000 You got to think about what that means.

00:13:20.000 All of the innocent people that were suffering because the left was angry about one man and the action he took.

00:13:26.000 And it was an egregious action.

00:13:27.000 Regardless, like whatever ends up happening, the guy got convicted.

00:13:31.000 So we can say, look, we don't like that people died.

00:13:33.000 But that meant, the mentality of these people is, it is better that five million innocent people suffer than one guilty person escapes.

00:13:43.000 It's the opposite of Blackstone.

00:13:44.000 It's Otto von Bismarck.

00:13:46.000 He said it was better that ten innocent people suffer than one guilty person.

00:13:49.000 It was originally Blackstone, but yeah.

00:13:51.000 It's the opposite.

00:13:51.000 For sure.

00:13:52.000 Blackstone is the good one.

00:13:54.000 We believe in freedom.

00:13:55.000 He was the one that basically created the common law tradition that our founders embraced.

00:13:59.000 Benjamin Franklin repeated it differently, but you're exactly right.

00:14:02.000 I mean, that was the most public hostage situation in American history.

00:14:07.000 Which was basically the activists were like, we're going to take all decent society hostage if you don't give us the verdict we want.

00:14:13.000 And you can say what you want about Derek Chauvin.

00:14:14.000 He did not get a fair trial.

00:14:15.000 He just didn't.

00:14:16.000 That one of the jurors was absolutely compromised.

00:14:19.000 If you go to a BLM incorporated rally and you lie on your jury application form, same thing happened to Roger Stone.

00:14:25.000 I don't care if you're a far left-wing socialist.

00:14:28.000 It says very clearly, and Will would know this better either in the 6th, 7th or 8th amendment, that you get a fair and quick and speedy process of a jury of your peers and it must be impartial.

00:14:37.000 And it wasn't.

00:14:38.000 I'll throw it to you in a second, but I'll make one more point.

00:14:40.000 My opinion is that the moment the judge said there is no venue in Minnesota by which we could have a trial removed from the circumstances of George Floyd, my opinion was, throw it out.

00:14:52.000 If we believe that it is better that ten guilty persons go free than one innocent person suffer, and you cannot have a fair trial and you know it, charges dropped.

00:15:00.000 Case dismissed.

00:15:01.000 Sure, and I just think it's simple.

00:15:02.000 It doesn't relieve the judge of the obligation to try and make it as fair as possible, right?

00:15:06.000 And so move it to a more remote location that isn't directly next to where it happened.

00:15:11.000 But I think the other really interesting thing is that, you know, the same people who are talking about how a 22 and a half year sentence for an unintentional homicide as being too lenient are called themselves criminal justice reformers and worried about mass incarceration.

00:15:24.000 Right?

00:15:25.000 Like, if anything, I mean, the maximum sentence in Minnesota is only 30 years.

00:15:28.000 This is not, you know, for the second-degree murder charge, which is really legally questionable because they use the felony murder statute, and the felony in this case was the assault, so it's the same thing that caused the murder, which means that that theory of second-degree murder would swallow up manslaughter.

00:15:43.000 entirely. Well and the big lie the whole thing is that race had nothing to do with this. Nothing.

00:15:49.000 Yeah and that that's the big the biggest of all lies was that this was all racially motivated

00:15:54.000 and I mean Derek Chauvin interacted with dozens of black people before that encounter and it was

00:15:59.000 George Floyd that was trading counterfeit bills. It was George Floyd that was acting

00:16:03.000 very out of normal behavior and asked to be on the ground.

00:16:07.000 I'm not Derek Chauvin's defense attorney.

00:16:09.000 What I am, though, is trying to dispel this overarching narrative that dominated us that Derek Chauvin was like the reincarnation of Nathan Bedford Forrest, which there's no evidence to show that.

00:16:19.000 In fact, Keith Ellison came out and said, we have no evidence this is a hate crime.

00:16:23.000 I wonder how many people know who that guy is, though.

00:16:25.000 Nathan Bedford Forrest?

00:16:26.000 He's the founder of the KKK. 0.58

00:16:27.000 They never tried to prove intent, right?

00:16:29.000 That's a key thing to remember.

00:16:31.000 If you listened to that whole trial, you would have never heard them say, Chauvin intended to kill this person.

00:16:35.000 That never happened.

00:16:36.000 And the first medical autopsy from the Hennepin County said that this was a drug overdose.

00:16:40.000 The second one said that this was because of asphyxiation.

00:16:45.000 And it was convicted by a jury of peers.

00:16:46.000 We trust the process.

00:16:48.000 The judge himself, though, himself said, look, based on Maxine Waters comments, you might have actually, let's say, means or a reason for a retrial.

00:16:57.000 So this was nothing more than a hostage situation by BLM incorporated.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:01.000 There was the alternate juror who came out and said I was scared of retaliation.

00:17:03.000 They'd come to my house.

00:17:05.000 But now, let's talk about these statues, man.

00:17:07.000 So these statues get torn down in Canada, and one of them was Queen Elizabeth II.

00:17:11.000 That threw you for a loop earlier, right?

00:17:13.000 You were like, certainly it's the first, right?

00:17:15.000 And I was like, no, it's the second.

00:17:16.000 Right.

00:17:17.000 You know, what do you think Queen Elizabeth II does? 0.95

00:17:19.000 Is she some vestige of colonialism?

00:17:21.000 Like, what has the British Empire done under her reign? 0.99

00:17:24.000 Like, it's massively contracted, actually.

00:17:26.000 But, uh, did you guys hear about the vandalism of the George Floyd statue?

00:17:30.000 They're saying it's a hate crime.

00:17:30.000 I think it was in New York.

00:17:31.000 It may be a hate crime.

00:17:33.000 Think about this insane double standard.

00:17:35.000 So I'll pause real quick and just do a throwback to, you know, Cenk Uygur's tweet about conservatives or whatever, whatever faction the right is losing the culture war.

00:17:43.000 I gotta tell you, if these leftists can go down and tear down statues with impunity, and they do, and in Philadelphia, when they tried to tear down Christopher Columbus, a bunch of dudes showed up with bats and crowbars and fended off this attack, so the city intervened and took the statue down.

00:17:59.000 And then George Floyd gets statues?

00:18:02.000 Look, I get it, man.

00:18:03.000 We don't like that the guy died.

00:18:04.000 It's a tragic story, for sure.

00:18:06.000 But they're building statues and painting murals of this guy, and if somebody vandalizes it, it's a hate crime?

00:18:10.000 Alright, now that's insane.

00:18:13.000 With a lengthy criminal record, who went up to a pregnant woman and put a gun on the pregnant woman's stomach.

00:18:18.000 Who was trading counterfeit bills and was likely at a lethal amount of methamphetamines at the time of death.

00:18:25.000 This is who they want to act as if should be, you know, given a saint-level platform on the Democratic Party.

00:18:32.000 I've got to correct you on that one, Charlie.

00:18:33.000 We don't know if the meth in his system was lethal, but we do know the fentanyl likely was several times.

00:18:38.000 I will stand happily corrected of which deadly substance, actually.

00:18:42.000 He was driving.

00:18:43.000 He was behind the wheel of a car, high on fentanyl, had a speedball in his mouth that he spit out in the back seat, and he's got statues.

00:18:52.000 But it makes sense why they give him a statue, though, is because they need to keep the lie going, is that kind of the current power structure is basically organized around this event.

00:19:05.000 And if they ever give an inch, and this is one of the reasons why the left is successful, is that they will never give an inch to us.

00:19:13.000 This is something we can learn.

00:19:14.000 So going back to talking about teaching young people, Ian, you made an amazing point.

00:19:19.000 It's a guy who's behind the wheel of a car, under the influence, he was chewing on a speedball, meth and fentanyl combined, and good reason to stop this guy.

00:19:27.000 I mean, we don't like... They kill kids when you crash into cars and everything.

00:19:30.000 Just imagine a hundred years from now, though.

00:19:32.000 That statement.

00:19:33.000 Would it persist?

00:19:34.000 We hope so.

00:19:35.000 We hope that you listening now, a hundred years, going through the historical archives, are like, Ian Crosland made the famous point about how this guy has statues in his honor, and this is what, you know, led to this moment.

00:19:46.000 However, History is written by the victors.

00:19:49.000 If these people destroying statues win, if the people indoctrinating children win, and Jen Cougar is right, then in a hundred years, they're not going to say what you said, Ian.

00:19:59.000 Well, I'm changing my name to Victor, dude.

00:20:00.000 There you go.

00:20:02.000 History is written by the victor.

00:20:03.000 Call yourself the victor.

00:20:05.000 No, they're going to write, the history is going to say that George Floyd was an innocent man who was wrongly targeted, they're going to remove the counterfeit bill, they're going to slowly over time the pictures of Chauvin will incorporate devil horns and he'll get bigger and bigger and Floyd will get smaller and smaller, even though Floyd was huge and Chauvin was small.

00:20:24.000 History is written by the victors so in a hundred years they'll say this poor innocent man who was oppressed under a system of white cis heteronormative patriarchy was brutally beaten and murdered by neo-nazis and we honor his memory and the pictures and the images that will come out will show him on the ground like reaching up and people standing around like gasping.

00:20:44.000 It's like I understand it was a tragedy man.

00:20:46.000 I understand that we don't want this guy to die.

00:20:48.000 I don't want to see anybody hurt.

00:20:50.000 I don't want to see anybody die.

00:20:51.000 But you know they're gonna lie about it, as they already are, and the lies will get worse.

00:20:55.000 It's also how did he die?

00:20:56.000 The jury decided it died because of Chauvin's actions.

00:21:00.000 And again, this came at a moment that they needed it to happen.

00:21:04.000 This happened right before an election when everyone was locked down.

00:21:07.000 There was a lot of pent up energy.

00:21:09.000 There were no public sporting events, no gymnasiums, no social settings.

00:21:12.000 People were lacking of purpose and they needed an excuse to try to reinvigorate the racial reckoning of how awful we are right before Donald Trump's election.

00:21:20.000 And so it just so happened that because of a constellation of these events, They got what they needed and they being the people who capitalize on a single incident for a broader power grab.

00:21:30.000 I wonder if young people are going to recognize, you know, young people who are like maybe 13 year old today, 13 year olds today, you know, they're not really paying attention to this stuff.

00:21:39.000 Are they going to recognize the sheer insanity of having a pandemic and a national and even global lockdown but allowing protests?

00:21:47.000 Are they going to, in their 20s, when they're voting, are they going to be like, it was really strange they did that, or will they completely forget because it will be scrubbed from the narrative?

00:21:55.000 Yeah, I mean, it depends.

00:21:56.000 I mean, it depends on what the world looks like in seven years, which is largely why we're having this conversation.

00:22:02.000 It depends whether or not we're going to be allowed to have these kind of conversations on these sort of platforms, which remains to be seen.

00:22:08.000 I mean, kind of the last hope we have is the capacity to have dialogue.

00:22:14.000 And that's the only way that people like that are ever going to find out the truth.

00:22:17.000 And that's why shows like this are doing very well.

00:22:19.000 And that's why services like Rumble are doing as well as they're doing, which is a very serious competitor to YouTube.

00:22:25.000 And I want to talk about big tech because I think it's really interesting, but a 13 year old to think it's perfectly normal, unless presented with the alternative viewpoint that There's a pressure happening with big tech, though, and we were talking about this yesterday.

00:22:38.000 You don't need to ban people. 0.98

00:22:39.000 That's the stupid move, right? 1.00

00:22:41.000 If you ban someone like Crowder, it sounds like you drop a giant stone in the middle of a lake and ripples come out. 1.00

00:22:48.000 It would be like dropping a bus and big splash.

00:22:50.000 Everybody sees it.

00:22:52.000 So how do you do it?

00:22:53.000 Well, you put a pressure on content.

00:22:55.000 You stop promoting it, you start suppressing it, you stop giving out notifications, you give a strike here, then you stop, and then you wait two months, and boom, another strike, so now you're stacking them up.

00:23:05.000 My concern is, we've heard that YouTube, for instance, is now applying age restrictions on tons of videos.

00:23:13.000 So here's what happens.

00:23:15.000 People who are effective at communicating with the younger generation will start seeing age restrictions.

00:23:20.000 And that won't completely ban the content and smart, savvy young people will find a way around it, but it will dramatically reduce the reach.

00:23:27.000 That pressure over a long enough period of time means your speech is stamped out.

00:23:32.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:23:34.000 I mean, we're dealing with this with YouTube right now where, I mean, we have a massive decrease in viewers.

00:23:38.000 We were talking about this earlier, viewers and live stream content.

00:23:41.000 But I think it even goes beyond that.

00:23:43.000 I think that there's a demonetization strategy.

00:23:45.000 And I also think there's a shadow ban strategy.

00:23:48.000 They don't deem you front page worthy.

00:23:49.000 They don't, even if people have the bell and subscribe, they won't get the push notification on the phone.

00:23:54.000 We go through all, I mean, you go through the same sort of thing all the time.

00:23:57.000 And I mean, we were getting 70,000 live viewers right near the election.

00:23:59.000 We're now down like 500, 600 a day.

00:24:00.000 And so that kind of, You could say what you want, but that kind of fractional... Election season, I think a lot of that is due to... 70,000 to 500 is, that's a lot.

00:24:09.000 That is, that is, yeah.

00:24:11.000 For us, it was like, we probably lost around half.

00:24:14.000 We were averaging maybe like 65k live.

00:24:16.000 Now we do, you know, 30, sometimes 40.

00:24:18.000 For you, it sounds definitely like suppression.

00:24:22.000 Well, it's also because the crawlers are seeing how often I'm mentioning their competitor, Rumble.com, which I think actually is going to be a sizable and serious competitor to the YouTube Death Star.

00:24:32.000 One thing for sure that people should be worried about, and it's also a potential way to camouflage censorship, is we had an election year.

00:24:38.000 Views were through the roof.

00:24:39.000 Plus, everyone was locked down.

00:24:41.000 So you're locked down, it's election year, naturally views are through the roof.

00:24:44.000 Now that election year is over, a lot of people are feeling like, well, my views are going to go down, right?

00:24:49.000 But a lot of leftist channels aren't having that.

00:24:51.000 So maybe, you know, Cenk makes a point.

00:24:53.000 Yeah, when you control the cultural institutions and you can cheat, And suppress information, maybe then you'll actually win because you're not letting people be free to choose their own information.

00:25:04.000 But there was a meme from 4chan.

00:25:07.000 They said, any social media network that is sufficiently free speech will inevitably become right-wing.

00:25:16.000 Or our unmoderated platform will inevitably become right-wing.

00:25:19.000 Because leftist ideas only exist with censorship and suppression.

00:25:24.000 I don't know.

00:25:25.000 I mean, you know, Twitter thought of itself as a free speech platform.

00:25:27.000 So did Facebook.

00:25:29.000 They all thought they started that way, and then they just felt this inexorable pressure, the combination of external activists and internal employee pressure because of who they were hiring, and have gotten to the censorious place they're in.

00:25:42.000 I think it's just—and also the right-wing competitors are relatively—I mean, other than Rumble, which is doing well, but I think, you know, a lot of the right-wing Twitter competitors so far have failed miserably, I think is a fair description of what's happened.

00:25:55.000 I agree to an extent.

00:25:56.000 It seems like Parler would have actually taken off.

00:25:59.000 Well, save for, you know, the massive collective antitrust action that happened against them.

00:25:59.000 Right.

00:26:03.000 You know, it's funny.

00:26:04.000 I was actually, I was doing a panel in Florida with, like, a big tech lobbyist type.

00:26:11.000 And he was just, we asked him about, like, this Parler thing.

00:26:14.000 He's just like, well, it was January 6th.

00:26:16.000 And I'm like, I'm sorry, is there a January 6th exception to the antitrust laws?

00:26:18.000 Like, why are you, does this suddenly mean you can collaborate to knock out competitors?

00:26:22.000 That wasn't even true.

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 Yeah, Parler was cooperating and sending warnings to the FBI.

00:26:27.000 Oh yeah, and Facebook had way more of the content that they were supposedly objecting to.

00:26:31.000 They did that to Mines.

00:26:33.000 I don't know how public that is.

00:26:34.000 I think it was mentioned... Oh yeah, Vice wrote about it.

00:26:37.000 They tried making claims that Mines.com, which Ian is a co-founder, that it was somehow harboring the far right when it was like six accounts that were inactive.

00:26:46.000 Exactly, because when you go the route of trying not to censor people, People will take advantage of it and they'll make like 50 accounts and then spam egregious things.

00:26:57.000 And then if you, if you say, I'm not going to censor you, they're like, that's like a green light to say the worst things you can sometimes just to, for whatever reason, to get a reaction, to make money, to, to change people's minds.

00:27:05.000 I don't know.

00:27:05.000 So censorship is extremely valuable, but you just have to be super careful with it.

00:27:10.000 But in that instance with Mines, it was like, there were six accounts that had, like, no posts, but posted, like, a banner image of some far-right symbol.

00:27:18.000 And then Vice is like, Mines becomes the new haven for the far-right!

00:27:22.000 And it's, like, just objectively not true.

00:27:25.000 We just need to put all these journalists out of a job, right?

00:27:27.000 Like, the simple thing to do here is just, like, we get the laws we need in terms of, like, non-discrimination, like, making, essentially, you have a right to use these accounts.

00:27:34.000 Florida tried to do it, didn't get there. 0.90

00:27:36.000 Um, but we do that and all of a sudden I want to make life easier in some sense for Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg.

00:27:42.000 I want them to be able to look at these activists and be like, I'm sorry, if we did what you want, we would get sued and we'd lose.

00:27:47.000 So we're not going to do what you want. 0.54

00:27:48.000 Cause like, you know, if you had a racist clientele at a hotel that was like, I don't want you to serve black people. 0.96

00:27:52.000 They'd be like, well, one you're a racist, so we're not going to pay attention to you. 0.92

00:27:55.000 But two, even if we did, we'd, we'd be breaking the law.

00:27:57.000 So we're not going to, you can't, you can't do that.

00:28:00.000 So that's, that's the position I want the social media companies to be in.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, but they don't want to be in those positions, but they're ideologically driven.

00:28:07.000 I mean, you look at Jack Dorsey.

00:28:09.000 He's a huge activist.

00:28:11.000 He put a bunch of money into woke programs.

00:28:14.000 He does a bunch of activism in Africa, which I don't know a whole lot about.

00:28:17.000 But I'm not saying his activism is bad, but the man is ideologically driven.

00:28:22.000 You heard what he said when I talked to him.

00:28:24.000 This gets brought up a lot, but here we go again.

00:28:26.000 When I was on the Joe Rogan podcast and he said, you know, when it comes to misgendering policy, there's people that we're concerned about and they could take their own lives.

00:28:34.000 And so we're very worried and trying to protect them.

00:28:37.000 And it's like, I understand that for sure, but there are a lot of people who are at risk for taking their own lives, and you're not protecting them.

00:28:42.000 I specifically mentioned body dysmorphia.

00:28:44.000 People who want to remove their hands, for instance.

00:28:47.000 That's not part of their policy.

00:28:48.000 It's purely politically, ideologically driven.

00:28:52.000 Now, you mentioned laws, Will, and I want to say this, too.

00:28:55.000 I think a lot of conservatives need to recognize — who was it, Breitbart, who said politics is downstream from culture?

00:29:02.000 Yes, Andrew Breitbart.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, brilliant.

00:29:04.000 And even with that being known to many conservatives, or just — it's not even just conservatives.

00:29:09.000 There's many disaffected liberals, like these teachers in Loudoun County, people like me, for instance.

00:29:14.000 It's not about the laws.

00:29:15.000 The laws You know, I think back to when we had certain social cohesion in some areas.

00:29:21.000 Maybe it wasn't.

00:29:22.000 A lot of people might romanticize the past.

00:29:24.000 It was probably bad in a lot of ways for a lot of reasons.

00:29:26.000 Laws, morality laws, for instance, or obscenity laws, didn't make people not want to swear.

00:29:32.000 George Carlin decided to swear anyway, and he got arrested for it because, like, I'm going to do it.

00:29:36.000 It was that there was social enforcement.

00:29:39.000 So yeah, I mean, I think the way to think about it is there's feedback going both ways.

00:29:42.000 Some laws are really more shaped by culture than vice versa, and some laws make it possible for people to shape culture or prevent them from using it.

00:29:50.000 So the reason I focus so heavily on big tech issues and why it's so central to me is because I see it as kind of a keystone issue for the right.

00:29:56.000 If we lose on big tech, we're going to lose everywhere else because the tech companies are going to shape discourse and culture in such a way that we can't compete and are going to knock out all our best influencers, knock out all our people who are persuasive young people, etc, etc, etc.

00:30:10.000 So like... They're coming after you, bro.

00:30:13.000 Right.

00:30:13.000 On tech?

00:30:14.000 Oh, but the things I see about you are really interesting.

00:30:17.000 I go on Reddit and they have all the memes about you.

00:30:20.000 And there are a lot of them.

00:30:22.000 They're actually they're actually pretty funny.

00:30:24.000 But that's powerful.

00:30:25.000 They're pretty funny.

00:30:26.000 The Ben Shapiro ones are really funny.

00:30:28.000 And it was impressive because for a while the meme was the left can't meme.

00:30:32.000 And then I think they started to figure out they were losing.

00:30:35.000 And one of the things that helped drive Trump's victory, I went to dozens of Trump rallies in 2015 and 2016.

00:30:41.000 I met tons of young people who told me culture war, culture war.

00:30:45.000 The older guys were like trade, trade, trade.

00:30:47.000 Younger guys were like free speech, culture war, feminism. 0.98

00:30:52.000 So then I see these memes popping up on Reddit.

00:30:53.000 It's like, you go on Reddit, it's nothing but propaganda.

00:30:56.000 It's insane.

00:30:57.000 And boy, do they not like you.

00:30:59.000 But they have to do it.

00:31:00.000 You know why?

00:31:01.000 They need to poison the well. 0.98

00:31:03.000 When a turning point event shows up, and I'm not saying... I've not actually ever been to one of your events or anything like that.

00:31:08.000 I'm just saying I understand you guys engage in political rhetoric. 0.96

00:31:10.000 So the well is poisoned for young people when they see a meme saying Charlie Kirk is dumb or something.

00:31:17.000 Then what you get are these young high school kids will see an event coming to town and they'll be more easily told not to go because they want to be cool or fit in.

00:31:26.000 Yeah, and I think there's a limitation on that, obviously.

00:31:29.000 And, I mean, look, no one's above mockery, right?

00:31:32.000 We're not going to take ourselves too seriously. 0.97

00:31:33.000 I mean, everyone said really dumb things, including me.

00:31:35.000 I could spend about four and a half hours on that, if we have that much time. 0.99

00:31:39.000 And so an entire list of things I could say that were dumb.

00:31:42.000 But I think, look, hopefully a wise person wants to be corrected.

00:31:47.000 And the limitation on it, though, is I think that in those kind of Reddit 4chan circles, those people that do those things, They try to mock the people they see that are actually organizing something substantial.

00:31:58.000 And so, I mean, I take it, hopefully, as well in stride as one can.

00:32:03.000 And also, I just don't look at that stuff.

00:32:04.000 I've deleted all social media off my phone.

00:32:06.000 I don't have Twitter.

00:32:07.000 I don't have Facebook.

00:32:07.000 I don't have any of that.

00:32:08.000 And so, people are like, oh, you're trending on Twitter.

00:32:10.000 I'm like, oh, really?

00:32:10.000 It feels the same as when I wasn't trending on Twitter.

00:32:12.000 So, I think more clearly.

00:32:14.000 I read more books and host radio and do podcasting.

00:32:17.000 But I would say it's not about necessarily your health or anything.

00:32:20.000 But like, I just, just one quick side note on the Jack Dorsey thing is that if all of a sudden the social media companies are existing to be like the therapist of the entire like transgender community, that is an incredibly, that is not what you exist to do at all.

00:32:20.000 No, no, for sure.

00:32:35.000 Like, well, people are going to hurt themselves.

00:32:37.000 Like, well, you know, that's obviously not what we don't want people to have happen.

00:32:40.000 But under that excuse, you're just going to basically abolish every single meaningful point of criticism.

00:32:45.000 Isn't it true that cops commit suicide at high rates?

00:32:48.000 Of course!

00:32:49.000 We gotta have a special rule on Twitter saying you can't disparage police.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, it's gotta, you know.

00:32:54.000 I mean, if you're taking that much editorial responsibility, then take editorial responsibility and, like, just forgo your Section 230 liability and eat the defamation suit.

00:33:02.000 It's just pandering to activists, right?

00:33:04.000 And so, kind of just going back to this whole idea of kind of where the left-wing activist energy is going, It's been very interesting to track over the last six or seven months of kind of what they're focusing on and what they're doing.

00:33:18.000 And I think that there is a tension point that's brewing of they're not sure really when to draw the line of when they're like, oh, no, no, no, we actually shouldn't cancel every single white person in the world.

00:33:30.000 And they haven't said that out loud yet, but you're starting to see that reflected in some of their opinion articles and in some of the more left-wing podcasting world.

00:33:39.000 They're all of a sudden starting to retreat a little bit from there because there is a fear that kind of the French Revolution guillotine is going to come for them too.

00:33:46.000 I mean, Rob Spierre was murdered by his own followers and they applauded for 10 minutes. 0.96

00:33:50.000 That dude was nuts. 0.95

00:33:52.000 Maximilian Robespierre. 0.95

00:33:53.000 Yeah.

00:33:54.000 And let me tell you, when I was at Occupy Wall Street, there was a guy down there who told everyone his dream was to be Robespierre.

00:34:00.000 And then when people would be like... He wanted to get his head cut off? 0.55

00:34:03.000 His jaw blown off? 0.99

00:34:03.000 Yes. 0.99

00:34:04.000 They blew his jaw off and let him sit there for like two days in pain.

00:34:07.000 And there were people down there, and one guy said that was his dream, and when people were like, he was killed by his own followers, he was like, man, wouldn't that be great?

00:34:18.000 These are people who are actively organizing.

00:34:20.000 I'm not gonna say every single one of them is insane. 1.00

00:34:21.000 Some of them are just dumb. 1.00

00:34:23.000 Some of them are idealistic and utopian, and some of them are outright sociopathic, thinking like, wow, how cool would that be to have my jaw blown off and then be guillotined by my own followers! 1.00

00:34:33.000 genuinely people.

00:34:34.000 And so the arc of all these things, the French Revolution,

00:34:38.000 super instructive for a variety of different reasons, because the

00:34:41.000 abolition of private property, the the destruction of time.

00:34:44.000 Right. They got rid of the old agrarian calendar.

00:34:45.000 They put in a 10 day calendar.

00:34:47.000 The deletion.

00:34:48.000 Time. Right.

00:34:49.000 The deletion of their history, very much inspired by Rousseau, but the arc tells us where this leads.

00:34:58.000 And this is really the desire of the rulers of our country, which is you will get an autocrat.

00:35:04.000 It's just this sort of manufactured chaos, the blood in the streets, the French Revolution types that kill tens of thousands of people, is yeah, then you're going to get a Napoleon.

00:35:12.000 That is what will happen.

00:35:14.000 And Zuckerberg and Bezos, I think they want to be part of that oligarchy.

00:35:18.000 That will rule in the next chapter.

00:35:22.000 So we're kind of in this revolutionary period.

00:35:24.000 So we're ever going to go to Republican, small R style government or towards autocracy. 0.93

00:35:29.000 I think it's autocracy, but the night is always darkest before the dawn, and just because these people... I think we're currently in some form of... maybe not autocracy is the right word, maybe oligopoly.

00:35:40.000 Yeah, I agree completely.

00:35:41.000 I think there was a document, it's been a while, but during Occupy Wall Street there was a document circulated from Citigroup that said that the United States is not a democracy, it is an oligopoly or something like that.

00:35:53.000 Can I say one thing about Occupy?

00:36:02.000 So I went to Zuccotti Park too and I was told because I was a conservative in high school to hate those people and now I go back to some of your footage and the footage that's there and I find very little I disagree with out of the main components of the criticism of Occupy Wall Street such as you have a small group of rather reckless people and financial institutions that made highly levered risk.

00:36:25.000 They got bailed out by taxpayers.

00:36:27.000 Meanwhile, middle class incomes go down and we're, you know, re-domiciling all of our meaningful manufacturing overseas.

00:36:33.000 And I think that there's a game being played here.

00:36:35.000 And identity politics is the piece on the table where there could be a bipartisan reckoning against Bezos.

00:36:40.000 The only thing we can't agree with the other side on is this racist stuff.

00:36:44.000 He's like, everyone's a racist.

00:36:45.000 That's the only thing that's preventing a 90% type revolution against Bezos.

00:36:50.000 After we wrapped up our show with Steve Bannon, you know, he's standing up and getting ready to walk out.

00:36:55.000 And I was like, Steve, I mean it.

00:36:57.000 If you went down there to occupy Wall Street on day one, it would have been an entirely different timeline.

00:37:03.000 There were no prominent right-wing personalities coming down to guide that massive anger at the corrupt financial institutions in the government.

00:37:11.000 So what happened was, there were conservatives, there were libertarians, there were leftists, there was regular people.

00:37:16.000 I met Luke Rydkowski of We Are Change, who is like an anarcho-capitalist.

00:37:20.000 He's all about that right-wing libertarianism.

00:37:23.000 I met him down there, and we agreed on basically everything.

00:37:26.000 We weren't concerned about tax policy when we're looking at corrupt government, but there were no strong, prominent right-wing personalities.

00:37:33.000 In fact, when it came to Fox News, it was disparaging.

00:37:36.000 The only disagreement I'll give you on that is that the movement was not ready for this nine

00:37:41.000 years ago. The conservative movement. We had a muscle memory and we had a configuration to defend

00:37:47.000 massive financial institutions no matter what. We were on team corporate, right? So like team

00:37:53.000 right was team corporate. That was the conservative movement I grew up in, right? We were the party of

00:37:58.000 saying, you know what, it's a good thing that Mitt Romney has a car elevator and he says the trees

00:38:01.000 are the right height and he puts a dog on his car and we like it and Bain Capital is awesome and we

00:38:06.000 love China and plastic from China and from Wuhan is the greatest thing ever and if you disagree with

00:38:10.000 me you're a socialist. That was how we were trained to debate in 2012, 13 and 14 and Trump

00:38:17.000 was awesome at all of a sudden challenging all these orthodoxies.

00:38:20.000 So the only disagreement I have, and you might be right, Bannon, could have changed some of that.

00:38:23.000 I don't disagree with you on that, though.

00:38:24.000 I just don't think the movement was ready for it.

00:38:26.000 I think we're ready for it now.

00:38:27.000 I think that we're ready for it more than ever.

00:38:29.000 Like, we want to crush these corporations now.

00:38:31.000 So here's the issue, man.

00:38:33.000 You know, when we have someone like Vosh on the show, who's this prominent, you know, socialist YouTuber, when I mention Occupy Wall Street and things like that, he goes, I was a teenager, I don't remember that.

00:38:43.000 I don't know what happened.

00:38:45.000 And I don't blame him.

00:38:46.000 This is one of the biggest challenges with talking to young people and getting them active.

00:38:51.000 If dude's 16 years old and Occupy Wall Street's happening, of course he's not paying attention to the financial collapse.

00:38:57.000 That was three years prior, so he's a little kid, and he doesn't know about what Joe Biden is doing.

00:39:01.000 Now you get a bunch of people who are 18 years old and 20 years old, and they're going to vote, and they're being told by the clowns on TV to vote for Joe Biden, and you go to them and say, His brothers' deals in Iraq, Occupy Wall Street, the financial collapse, their defense of big capital, and... I don't remember any of that.

00:39:18.000 I have no idea.

00:39:19.000 That's what they say.

00:39:20.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess part of it is attributable to age, right?

00:39:24.000 But I will say, though, and I just want to reinforce this point, the masters of the universe, for lack of a better term, the ruling class, as Angela Coteville would call them, which is a perfect term, they know that race is the perfect distraction issue. 0.70

00:39:38.000 There would be a legitimate economic revolution if we could put CRT to bed.

00:39:42.000 And it would be a good thing for our country.

00:39:44.000 And I'm not saying we need to nationalize the airlines or confiscate Goldman Sachs' offices.

00:39:50.000 What I am saying, though, is that there is a legitimate, there's a cartel that exists that makes normal people's livelihood more difficult to thrive and to flourish.

00:39:59.000 The family is harder than ever to create and to have lots of children.

00:40:02.000 And there's a bipartisan agreement on that.

00:40:04.000 Well, I want to ask you about some tweets that people were highlighting of yours last year.

00:40:09.000 The Juneteenth one, which I'm sure I'm happy to go through this. 1.00

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:13.000 You're acting as if I defend like I was ever calling for it to be a national holiday.

00:40:17.000 So I never have.

00:40:18.000 You had a tweet where you said Republicans are now going to be making Juneteenth a holiday.

00:40:23.000 Why didn't Obama do this?

00:40:24.000 I never said that.

00:40:25.000 No, I said that that this I'm paraphrasing my own wording.

00:40:30.000 I never said, and you can pull it up, I never said that I'm happy they're making it a federal holiday.

00:40:35.000 I was simply saying that the idea of the emancipation of the slaves was thanks to the Republican Party.

00:40:40.000 Now, let me also say this, though.

00:40:42.000 I think we have learned a lot about what the true motivations of BLM incorporated in the last year are.

00:40:47.000 And so when Juneteenth came up as this kind of idea that it needs to be a national federal holiday, And please do read my tweet, because I said that Obama never recognized this, or whatever it might be, like Trump did some sort of signing ceremony or something, is that it's so obvious that the National Independence Day Act, known as Juneteenth, was being drafted by the Democrats and agreed by Republicans as a direct summertime competitor to July 4th, to try to erase and remove Independence Day from the 4th of July, which was a direct and total eternal connection that Abraham Lincoln put

00:41:18.000 from the Gettysburg Address to commemorate the day after the battle of Gettysburg,

00:41:22.000 which happened July 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, to this idea that our founding actually happened with this

00:41:28.000 peaceful contract and separation from the British Empire.

00:41:32.000 But anyway, happy to go through that.

00:41:33.000 I understand that on its face value, it's like, oh, you're being so contradicting.

00:41:36.000 I don't, I don't, I actually don't think that. You know, I wanted to highlight it and have you.

00:41:40.000 Yeah, I'm just saying that, you know, Justin Amash, whoever that guy is... When I saw the tweets that people were highlighting saying that you were hypocritical, I'm like, the tweet you wrote said, Senate Republicans are introducing legislation to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.

00:41:53.000 Barack Obama and Joe Biden were in the White House for eight years.

00:41:55.000 Why didn't they ever do it?

00:41:57.000 And nowhere in that tweet where you're like, hooray, Republicans are doing the right thing.

00:42:00.000 The over inference is like, oh, Charlie's praising Republicans for that.

00:42:00.000 That's exactly right.

00:42:04.000 But the very simple reading is he's asking a question.

00:42:08.000 Right, and then they highlight that with your current tweet where you said,

00:42:11.000 Lincoln knew America's founding was July 4th, 1776. He knew that was the day our amazing nation

00:42:16.000 made a step from ideal to reality. Juneteenth is an affront to the unity of July 4th. We now have

00:42:21.000 two summer holidays and one of them is based on race. Shame on the GOP for supporting this.

00:42:25.000 My opinion on that, we'll get into the CRT stuff is, I actually don't much mind having a Juneteenth 0.99

00:42:33.000 holiday to celebrate the end of slavery. It was a- It was a war fought over it.

00:42:36.000 Many people have mentioned that in terms of the soldiers who lost their lives, Memorial Day was specifically for this, for the Civil War and everyone who died.

00:42:44.000 I look at this like, you know, if we're going to celebrate freedom, we can recognize that we had slavery and we fought a war over it and we're going to have a holiday for it.

00:42:50.000 However, I can't remember who we were talking to who brought this up.

00:42:52.000 They made a good point saying that their view of their view of it and their presentation of it is is all about oppressor versus oppressed.

00:42:59.000 So it's it's it's it's basically instilling critical race theory by saying this holiday is not to celebrate freedom.

00:43:04.000 It's to point out the evils.

00:43:06.000 Because when the Democrats stood up and said this is what we want, they didn't say we're here to celebrate freedom for everyone.

00:43:11.000 They said this country's evils must be If Juneteenth was all about that, then fine.

00:43:19.000 No problem.

00:43:20.000 First of all, then let's just celebrate when slaves were freed because of a wartime order by Abraham Lincoln, the Emancipation Proclamation, which I think was November 22nd, 1861.

00:43:29.000 We get a fact check on that.

00:43:31.000 But it was definitely in November.

00:43:32.000 It was sometime in the fall.

00:43:34.000 And let me just say a couple things on this.

00:43:37.000 It also, this overemphasis on Juneteenth though, It doesn't actually tell the full story, which is 9 out of 13 colonies that signed on to the Constitution in 1787 had already independently abolished slavery by the time we had a Constitution.

00:43:54.000 Vermont abolished slavery in 1777 because of the Declaration.

00:43:58.000 The first ever anti-slavery convention that happened in the world was chaired by Benjamin Franklin in Philadelphia in 1775.

00:44:04.000 And so this idea that we were nothing but slavery apologists, that, no, I know you're not saying that.

00:44:10.000 No, no, but the Juneteenth holiday is being masterminded by Nicole Hannah-Jones and Robin DiAngelo. 0.98

00:44:10.000 Oh, 1619 is trash. 0.98

00:44:17.000 Let me just give you an example that kind of affirmed my rejection of the Juneteenth holiday was Evanston, Illinois. 0.89

00:44:24.000 So Evanston, Illinois, they had an LBGT pride parade, a Juneteenth parade, and canceled their July 4th parade.

00:44:30.000 Yep, yep.

00:44:32.000 And they canceled July 4th for COVID or something, right? 1.00

00:44:33.000 Yeah, that's a bunch of garbage. 0.96

00:44:35.000 So this mayor who I go back and forth, I grew up right down the street from, you know, I know the type, right? 0.99

00:44:39.000 He's the worst type of like upper middle class, double mask wearing while I shower liberal, right?

00:44:45.000 Like get vaccinated five times or else you're the worst person ever.

00:44:48.000 And so I said, okay, Mr. Mayor, then why don't you demand that there's a July 4th parade?

00:44:52.000 Are you just like all of a sudden be like, oh, I'm not going to take a stance on this.

00:44:55.000 He issues this long statement.

00:44:57.000 Because for him, there's no moral difference between an LGBT pride parade and the July 4th.

00:45:03.000 And for me personally, July 4th far transcends an LGBT pride parade.

00:45:10.000 It's the direct line of why we exist as a nation.

00:45:13.000 It was an ideological revolution as well as a political one.

00:45:18.000 It was a bunch of people saying divine providence does not an executive make.

00:45:18.000 Totally.

00:45:24.000 You do not get to be the head of state simply because religion wills it, or God wills it.

00:45:28.000 Totally, and I don't mean to monopolize this, but as we're here this weekend on the Declaration, what's so amazing, when Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration, it was kind of a committee, and Benjamin Franklin chaired the committee.

00:45:38.000 First of all, the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, in Thomas Jefferson's own handwriting, he blames King George for bringing the sin of slavery to America.

00:45:46.000 Thomas Jefferson!

00:45:47.000 In the original draft!

00:45:48.000 In his own handwriting!

00:45:49.000 Now, it didn't make the final draft because they needed slave-holding states to obviously build a coalition to be able to fight a successful war against Britain. 0.56

00:45:56.000 The Declaration starts super wide.

00:45:58.000 When in the course of human events.

00:45:59.000 So what does that mean?

00:46:00.000 You run humanevents.com, Will?

00:46:02.000 He's making an argument that this document right here is about human beings' right to govern themselves.

00:46:09.000 That's a big claim.

00:46:10.000 That's not just some sort of like, we think we can do something better.

00:46:14.000 It's like, you know what?

00:46:15.000 The way we've been doing government is wrong.

00:46:16.000 Then it gets very narrow.

00:46:18.000 King George did this.

00:46:20.000 Then it gets really, really wide.

00:46:21.000 The widest you can be.

00:46:22.000 We appeal to the supreme, the supreme power, which is of course our creator.

00:46:27.000 And it says earlier, laws of nature, nature's God.

00:46:28.000 And it ends with, we pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

00:46:31.000 What does that mean?

00:46:32.000 Those 56 signers of the declaration, they were pledging it to each other.

00:46:36.000 Now out of the 56 signers, we know at least eight of them were hunted down and killed in the months right after the declaration.

00:46:43.000 About 12 of them, I'm going to get my numbers wrong.

00:46:45.000 12 of them were died in the war and another six had their entire fortunes gone.

00:46:49.000 I don't know if that there's a meme going around saying those things.

00:46:52.000 I think they may be a bit exaggerated.

00:46:53.000 So I did a lot of fact-checking on this and it's like semantically true like I think a lot of people were really gung-ho and said they were hunted down and killed and it was like they started a war they got killed in they weren't hunted down like You could be right. 0.84

00:47:08.000 I mean, they signed it in Philadelphia in the middle of a summer, in the summer, which it was a port city against the naval power.

00:47:14.000 So they knew that there was going to be some risk.

00:47:16.000 It was the greatest military power the world had ever seen.

00:47:18.000 They knew they were going to lose, actually.

00:47:18.000 Totally.

00:47:20.000 This is something Americans need to realize.

00:47:22.000 The Americans were like, we're going to lose this war, you know, and they're like, F it.

00:47:26.000 I refuse to bend the knee.

00:47:28.000 And then the French were like, we don't like the British either, so we're going to lend support to screw with them. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Wow. 1.00

00:47:34.000 And if it was not for the French intervention, America probably would not have won.

00:47:37.000 Yeah.

00:47:37.000 And I mean, Edmund Burke, who's kind of like the father of Western conservatism, him and Pitt, they tried to tell Britain not to wage this war because they said, look, we have more military might, but they have something we don't have.

00:47:50.000 They have resilience and they're going to run to the hills and they're going to run to the rivers and they're going to outlast us.

00:47:55.000 It was kind of the first ever guerrilla war, right?

00:47:57.000 It was kind of why the Viet Cong were able to outlast us. 0.99

00:48:00.000 It's why the Taliban was able to outlast us. 0.93

00:48:02.000 We were kind of the Taliban Viet Cong equivalent.

00:48:05.000 You can't, in my opinion, for the most part, win a war without propaganda and economics.

00:48:12.000 Those are huge components of a war.

00:48:14.000 If you simply go in and start guns a-blazin', the people will be resilient in their opposition to you.

00:48:20.000 You will need massive, massive military might.

00:48:23.000 And that means boots on the ground to occupy street corners. 0.87

00:48:27.000 The problem with the British was that they're thousands of miles away and when they come and they occupy these homes and they ransack, it would make people angry and actually rally the cause in many ways of the revolution. 0.72

00:48:39.000 The difficult thing was how you control the hearts and minds of the people.

00:48:42.000 So, going back to the point about the signers and what they sacrificed, there are very serious ramifications.

00:48:49.000 There's a meme that goes around where it lists everything that happened.

00:48:51.000 I went through the list and I did some fact-checking.

00:48:54.000 There was, I think, one guy who directly fought in the war and died.

00:48:58.000 There was a dozen or so who had their homes occupied or ransacked.

00:49:02.000 It wasn't, you know, these were men who when they said they were putting their honor, their treasure, their lives, it wasn't just that, it was their families.

00:49:12.000 One guy had his wife kidnapped by the British to be used in a prisoner exchange.

00:49:17.000 So when they capture an officer or something, they're like, I got your wife.

00:49:21.000 That was a serious pledge to make, looking at your wife and being like, yeah, they might kill you.

00:49:25.000 I think Ben Franklin's son joined the British.

00:49:27.000 Never talked to his dad again.

00:49:28.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:29.000 Really?

00:49:29.000 Yeah, I'm gonna look that up really quick, yeah.

00:49:31.000 One cool thing is I think George Washington said he would never set foot on British soil ever again.

00:49:35.000 So now that, you know, we're kind of cool with the UK, they shipped in a bunch of US soil in the UK and put it down and then built a statue of George Washington on it.

00:49:43.000 How cool!

00:49:43.000 Yeah, it's a story I heard.

00:49:44.000 I don't know how true it is, but, you know.

00:49:46.000 Well, I just think, going back to the earlier part, you said the Canadians just took down a Queen Elizabeth statue.

00:49:50.000 I'm like, who do you think Canada, where do you think your ancestors were?

00:49:53.000 They were the Loyalists!

00:49:54.000 Right.

00:49:56.000 Yep.

00:49:56.000 That's why when I saw that happen, I was kind of like, you know, hey, look, I was reading about this.

00:50:00.000 My understanding is that we did petition Quebec to join the revolution and they said no.

00:50:05.000 So in the Declaration of Independence, there's a sentence that King George made us subjected to foreign powers.

00:50:12.000 They were talking about Quebec.

00:50:13.000 Thomas Jefferson was complaining about the Canadians.

00:50:16.000 I just learned that the other day.

00:50:19.000 You know, we almost got Canada or something.

00:50:21.000 Was it the War of 1812, I think?

00:50:23.000 Because the Lake Champlain borders right up against Lake Erie, and so the turning point of the War of 1812 was the anchored ship in Lake Champlain.

00:50:31.000 We were able to do a run around and change the entire course of the war.

00:50:33.000 But yes, I mean, the French were selling land like it was going out of style, and Thomas Jefferson took full advantage of that. 0.95

00:50:40.000 With the Louisiana Purchase, obviously.

00:50:41.000 No, no, but there was Montreal.

00:50:43.000 I can't remember exactly what happened, but we sent our forces up to, like, Montreal, and then they went and ransacked the White House or whatever.

00:50:48.000 Yeah, we kind of...

00:50:49.000 I don't know if maybe my opinion is wrong on this, Charlie, but my understanding is we kind of got beat up in the War of 1812.

00:50:55.000 We were getting rolled.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, that's my read, too.

00:50:58.000 And then all of a sudden, Napoleon's a problem.

00:51:00.000 And the British are like, okay, like we got, we got more important issues. 1.00

00:51:02.000 So we'll make it a generous, more generous issue.

00:51:04.000 The little man is causing us a lot of problems, but there was two miracles that happened in the war of 1812

00:51:08.000 is the miracle of Lake Champlain.

00:51:09.000 And then the miracle of the storm that put out all the fires

00:51:12.000 in Washington, DC when the British were burning the war 1812.

00:51:14.000 Two divine points of intervention.

00:51:16.000 And I don't mean this sidebar, but there was one that involved Benedict Arnold too

00:51:20.000 on the Hudson river, but we can get to that.

00:51:21.000 What was that?

00:51:22.000 So it was a really interesting story.

00:51:24.000 Benedict Arnold obviously was selling secrets to the British for money, and he was in charge of West Point, which is obviously now the United States Military Academy.

00:51:32.000 And so the person that was in charge of transmitting Benedict Arnold's orders had it in his sports jacket or sports coat, goes south on the Hudson River down to what is now the Dutch, which was the Dutch New York City.

00:51:46.000 And Dutch port of New York City and an American colonialist cannon shoots at this guy's boat.

00:51:52.000 Misses the boat but skims like a piece of wood on the boat and it goes up into the captain's nose.

00:51:59.000 That's carrying the orders from Benedict Arnold, right?

00:52:02.000 Basically in writing that Benedict Arnold sold out the American Revolutionary Forces.

00:52:07.000 And so, he gets really annoyed by this little piece of wood, and he's like, you know what?

00:52:11.000 Screw it.

00:52:11.000 I can't be the captain of the ship.

00:52:13.000 Go to shore, and we'll find a new captain.

00:52:14.000 Like, basically, I need to kind of, like, go find someone who can extract this.

00:52:19.000 When they do that, they get to shore, and some American Minutemen intercept the ship and take them all prisoner.

00:52:25.000 When they take them prisoner, they find Benedict Arnold's handwriting and concession orders that were selling out West Point, our most pivotal military base to the Britain.

00:52:33.000 So if it wasn't for this little piece of wood, which I would consider to be basically divine intervention, we never would have found about Benedict Arnold who sold out our troops.

00:52:40.000 And then they go back to George Washington.

00:52:42.000 George Washington has kind of an aha moment.

00:52:44.000 He's like, this is why the British always know what I'm doing before I do it.

00:52:47.000 And some would say that would be the turning point of the Revolutionary War.

00:52:50.000 Very droll.

00:52:51.000 So I think about July 4th and how I know about these things, and I think about the civil rights movement and how I know about these things.

00:53:00.000 These are things that are deeply important to my family, and I love this line.

00:53:03.000 They've probably said the same of you, but they say it of me and it makes me laugh a whole lot.

00:53:08.000 There was a, I made a, there's a, there's a, um, I should have pulled it up.

00:53:11.000 There's on Twitter, this, this, this guy posts a photo of the civil rights march and he says, stop this woke mob.

00:53:18.000 And it's 1960s civil rights.

00:53:20.000 And the sign right in front says end segregation rules in schools.

00:53:24.000 And I'm like, hey, about that.

00:53:26.000 So I went and I got that famous photo where they race segregated people of color and non-people of color diversity meetings.

00:53:35.000 And I'm like, this is exactly what I'm complaining about and have been complaining about.

00:53:39.000 Somebody responds with, if Tim Pool was a commenter in the 80s, he would have been pro-apartheid.

00:53:44.000 If Tim Pool was a commenter during civil rights, he would have been pro-whites only. 1.00

00:53:48.000 And I'm like, I'm against these things because I come from a mixed-race family, you morons! 1.00

00:53:55.000 It is like, you talk about identity, and you talk about racism, and you talk about how people have this perspective based on their worldviews, and then when I straight-up say it, like, yes, these laws are bad because of exactly what you're saying, they say, not you, you'd support all the white people. 0.99

00:54:09.000 I wouldn't be allowed to!

00:54:10.000 What are you talking about?

00:54:11.000 My family went through hell in those years.

00:54:14.000 These people don't understand anything to do With the historical struggle and how America planted the seed, the founding fathers, to create a great nation where we were able to win civil rights, expand civil rights.

00:54:26.000 Quite honestly, the greatest country on the planet because of the freedoms that we allow people, upward mobility, the American dream, you're not going to find it anywhere else.

00:54:34.000 And let me just say one more thing.

00:54:35.000 Identitarianism, which is the core of what the critical race theorists want, and the white nationalists, is the rule of law for the planet, 90-something percent of it, and it has been the rule of law for humanity for every single year of human existence until 1964.

00:54:52.000 We've had, what, 57 years of being like, okay, we're not going to base laws on race anymore, and they're trying to bring us back? 0.56

00:54:58.000 Those people.

00:54:59.000 Yeah.

00:55:00.000 Just to complete the point, identitarianism was not present in the philosophical community of the founders until a man by the name of John C. Calhoun came along, who became kind of the philosophical father of American identitarianism.

00:55:15.000 And John C. Calhoun was the vice president for John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson.

00:55:19.000 And he made the argument that basically rights must be earned.

00:55:23.000 That they are not unalienable. 0.90

00:55:25.000 That you must go through a series of choices and decisions, and he said that blacks cannot earn them.

00:55:31.000 And then his philosophical line goes straight to Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the KKK, and now the current ambassador is Nicole Hannah-Jones.

00:55:39.000 It's funny how the Democrats are historically just... I love how, amazingly, it's such an easy meme for the left where they're like, oh, you're saying that the Democrats are the party of the Klan?

00:55:49.000 Well, the party's switched.

00:55:51.000 And I'm like, I don't know what that means.

00:55:52.000 Never happened.

00:55:53.000 What does that even mean?

00:55:54.000 They're the party of, like, tribal morality.

00:55:56.000 That's so true.

00:55:57.000 And so one example, I don't know if we've talked about this recently, but you probably talked about it a few months ago.

00:56:01.000 Do you remember That video of, you know, it was a police shooting where the policeman shot the girl who was about to stab the woman.

00:56:09.000 Yes, yes.

00:56:10.000 Remember that?

00:56:11.000 That was in North Carolina.

00:56:13.000 It was in North Carolina, right?

00:56:15.000 And remember that like a huge number of Black Lives Matter activists, some of that were out there trying to say that that wasn't a justified shoot, right?

00:56:22.000 As though it were and I was like this blew me my mind and I don't know if you know it just was is amazing that somebody could advocate that but I really you know I read a really good book uh the weirdest people in the world and it talked about kind of how our morality is actually historically very strange right the idea of kind of a universal morality as opposed to one that is like is more uh localized where you right you know

00:56:45.000 Tribalist.

00:56:46.000 Tribalist.

00:56:47.000 You value your relationships.

00:56:48.000 Like, for example, you ask the question, like, would you perjure yourself to get your brother off a charge?

00:56:54.000 And if you ask that in the United States, people are like, of course not.

00:56:56.000 We wouldn't do that.

00:56:57.000 But if you ask that, like, in other places, people are like, of course I would.

00:57:01.000 How would I be disloyal to my brother?

00:57:03.000 It's a different... Right, right, right, right.

00:57:04.000 And so, like, both, you know, the white nationalists are trying to say tribal morality.

00:57:09.000 Right?

00:57:09.000 Focus on us, you know, over other people.

00:57:12.000 Black Lives Matter saying, like, this, you know, children fighting with knives is an internal dispute and you, an outsider, shouldn't even take part in it.

00:57:20.000 Like, that's what this is.

00:57:20.000 Right?

00:57:21.000 It's like a return to travel around.

00:57:22.000 I actually, I agree with their message.

00:57:25.000 I mean, look, I think that story was an absolute tragedy.

00:57:28.000 This cop runs in trying to save lives, sees someone pull a knife, he tries to stop a violent assault.

00:57:35.000 I mean, that cop must have been... I'm sure he went through some very serious trauma when he realized, like, she was the one who called for his help, and he comes in, and he doesn't know what's going on.

00:57:45.000 There's a lot of instances where sure you have cops who do stupid or bad things and there are a lot of instances where there was one video recently where a cop shoots a guy and then immediately falls to the ground. 0.51

00:57:55.000 This like 220 pound thick guy clearly in his 40s starts bawling his eyes out that he just shot somebody and he's shaking like he just killed a man. 0.97

00:58:04.000 He knows it.

00:58:05.000 They act like these cops are machines but To the point about the tribal morality, if there's a community of people saying, don't come police, then I simply say, OK, we have a right to self-governance, right?

00:58:16.000 If a community says we don't want cops in this neighborhood and we want to solve our disputes with knives, the police should respect the community, right?

00:58:22.000 I mentioned that there was a story out of New York.

00:58:24.000 That's libertarian stuff.

00:58:25.000 We're conservatives.

00:58:26.000 For sure.

00:58:26.000 Oh, for sure.

00:58:27.000 Let's argue.

00:58:28.000 Let's argue for sure.

00:58:28.000 But let me make one more point.

00:58:30.000 There was that story out of New York where the woman ran up to the other woman and put a bullet in her head. 0.99

00:58:34.000 Two black women. 0.92

00:58:35.000 Where were the marches of Black Lives Matter?

00:58:37.000 Where were the calls for justice?

00:58:39.000 Where were the vigils?

00:58:40.000 The activists of Black Lives Matter, the high-profile individuals, didn't care when there was an internal dispute in the black community in New York that resulted in death.

00:58:48.000 And my response is, they clearly don't care about this.

00:58:51.000 Why should we impose our will on them?

00:58:55.000 So, right.

00:58:56.000 So let me just say, a lot of people are starting to say this, and the danger is then, well, was Dwight D. Eisenhower wrong to mobilize the National Guard to desegregate Southern schools?

00:59:09.000 It's a tough question, isn't it?

00:59:11.000 I'm not saying desegregating schools.

00:59:12.000 I'm like, yeah, that was good.

00:59:13.000 I mean, I literally just said my family went through civil rights.

00:59:15.000 No, I know.

00:59:16.000 But how are you to tell the white Southerners that they can't govern themselves?

00:59:19.000 I know.

00:59:20.000 You got me.

00:59:22.000 We need to enforce our laws.

00:59:25.000 Right, so so but but I will stress the point when I'm saying don't send the police in I'm not Principally and literally saying all right.

00:59:33.000 No, I'm trying to make a point that if these people I hear you Yeah, a lot of people are saying like you hate us you hate us the police structure so much then don't take care of your own affairs that is a tempting thing to believe but the the extrapolation of that belief ends up into hundreds and thousands of city-states and Where we no longer have a common tie to our fellow countrymen.

00:59:58.000 Therefore, the promise of the Constitution of the Declaration gets invalidated.

01:00:03.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:00:04.000 So, desegregation of schools, the National Guard comes in, and you are saying it was a good thing? 1.00

01:00:11.000 I think it was a moral thing to do for Dwight D. Eisenhower to mobilize the National Guard and George Wallace back down.

01:00:17.000 If there is a florist who refuses to provide services to a gay wedding, should the courts get involved and force the florist to do it?

01:00:25.000 It's a great question, and it's a completely separate issue.

01:00:28.000 It's similar, and it feels similar, and it's because Religious choice is directly protected in the First Amendment in two different things.

01:00:36.000 The Establishment Clause and the Free Expression Clause.

01:00:38.000 Racial discrimination is not.

01:00:40.000 Now, so the courts have articulated what a religious test is.

01:00:44.000 So some people say, well, my religion allows me to be racist.

01:00:47.000 The courts have not upheld that ever, right?

01:00:50.000 So, for example, the court case that continually comes up is this Colorado baker, right, who just is getting sued again, by the way, is that he has a business that requires an application process, he has a deliberate action where he has to make a good, and he feels that homosexual marriage is in direct contradiction to his scriptural belief.

01:01:09.000 Does he have the right to say, I don't want to do this, you have to go to another baker?

01:01:13.000 And we say, of course.

01:01:15.000 I mean, that is a very specifically... Go ahead.

01:01:18.000 Just a real quick point.

01:01:20.000 He wasn't denying them service.

01:01:21.000 He was denying to say a certain thing on the cake.

01:01:24.000 That's right.

01:01:24.000 It was compulsory speech.

01:01:27.000 That's why he won, I believe.

01:01:27.000 That's exactly right.

01:01:30.000 He won, but he just lost another appeal.

01:01:32.000 They've sued him six times.

01:01:33.000 He's like the sweetest guy.

01:01:33.000 I've met him.

01:01:34.000 And so this is another important point, though, is that when they can't win in the courts, the process becomes the punishment.

01:01:40.000 So they're not going to put this guy in prison ever.

01:01:43.000 Instead, they're going to put him through a 20-year open year prison of millions of dollars of legal fees, names in the newspaper, his business basically on the verge of bankruptcy.

01:01:52.000 At that point, the process becomes the punishment.

01:01:54.000 But your question's a good one, right?

01:01:56.000 Which is, well, what's the difference between racial discrimination and the reintegration of schools And the bakery.

01:02:02.000 Number one, the bakery is a private establishment and it's not technically bound by the First Amendment.

01:02:07.000 So that, meaning that that baker is allowed to have some form of conscious and different of opinion.

01:02:13.000 Where a public school system has to be somewhat viewpoint neutral and accepting to every single person at local area.

01:02:19.000 With that being said, the courts have added a tremendous amount of nuance of what a religious test actually is.

01:02:25.000 For example, there were some people that were coming out and they're saying like, my interpretation of Christianity says I don't have to serve black people.

01:02:32.000 The courts knew that was not an argument made in good faith and they dismissed that kind of lawsuit.

01:02:35.000 That's why we have prudence, practical judgment, right?

01:02:38.000 Whereas we can see with the baker in Colorado that this guy had a legitimate religious tradition of a well-recognized church that was well attended.

01:02:46.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:02:47.000 And the specific issue was he offered up to these men any cake.

01:02:51.000 That's exactly right.

01:02:52.000 That they wanted.

01:02:53.000 So he was making a good faith offering.

01:02:54.000 But he would not write a message.

01:02:56.000 Yeah.

01:02:56.000 So he was trying to provide the service.

01:02:58.000 Of course, I'll tell you something really funny.

01:03:01.000 There was this bill, Ohio Religious Freedom Act, I think it was, when I was working for Fusion.

01:03:06.000 Fusion, of course, was the Disney Univision company.

01:03:08.000 When I worked there, they said they wanted to be edgy and all that stuff, and they got woke.

01:03:12.000 It was a story that came out where every celebrity... This is like a big Red Pill moment for me, for sure.

01:03:17.000 Every celebrity was coming out saying this bill was anti-LGBTQ and all this stuff.

01:03:21.000 And so we were like, oh wow, what a story.

01:03:23.000 And then we get like the editorial meetings and they're like, wow, this story is, you know, crazy.

01:03:27.000 Look what they're doing.

01:03:28.000 They're suppressing the rights of these people with this religious freedom bill.

01:03:31.000 And so they were like, you know, Tim, would you want to produce a video on this?

01:03:34.000 And I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's do it.

01:03:35.000 So I get this other, you know, young millennial lefty and we're like, all right, let's start doing the research.

01:03:40.000 And we started doing the research and we're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?

01:03:44.000 Like, half the things these celebrities are claiming isn't true.

01:03:48.000 We got really confused.

01:03:49.000 So we go back to some of the other journalists, we started asking questions like, hey, we have the bill.

01:03:53.000 And they, they, they, it just, it didn't make sense to us.

01:03:55.000 We were very confused with the activists were claiming what the bill actually did was just functionally not true.

01:04:01.000 Like it was wrong.

01:04:02.000 And so then I'm like, I don't think we can do the kind of video you want.

01:04:05.000 It's like, we'll do a video about it.

01:04:06.000 We'll talk about it.

01:04:07.000 But what you're saying about it is wrong and not the case.

01:04:12.000 Like, what is this?

01:04:14.000 Yeah, I mean, well, you know, when I talk about, you know, for example, platform access being civil right, I often get pushback about the forest, right?

01:04:21.000 Like they say, well, if you think Twitter has to let you speak, what do you think about the baker in Colorado?

01:04:25.000 And I think in addition to sort of the freedom of religion wrinkle that you're talking about, there's also a scale issue.

01:04:31.000 Totally.

01:04:32.000 Right, like there's, you know, in general, I think it's not wrong to think we should impose stricter and be willing to impose stricter regulations on trillion dollar tech monopolies than on individual bakers in Colorado.

01:04:43.000 I think that there's no, and the idea that we have to have the same level of civil rights law applied to both is wrong.

01:04:50.000 And I mean, I can simultaneously also think that, you know, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was absolutely righteous to break the regime of private discrimination.

01:04:57.000 in the Jim Crow South.

01:04:59.000 That, you know, it's just completely unacceptable that a black person driving from Washington, D.C. to Austin 1.00

01:05:06.000 would have to drive 50 miles out of the way to stay in a motel or go to a restaurant.

01:05:10.000 Absurd and something that we didn't have to tolerate.

01:05:12.000 And also think that it's extraordinarily oppressive for this one single baker in Colorado

01:05:17.000 to be the target of this onslaught of litigation.

01:05:20.000 Just look at the organizational power they've thrown at this man.

01:05:24.000 That they don't throw at massive tech monopolies, even when they censor the left.

01:05:29.000 Right.

01:05:30.000 There is institutional power among very wealthy elites to go after the little guy.

01:05:35.000 You know why?

01:05:36.000 They understand the power of the grassroots.

01:05:38.000 They understand the power of snipping the stem.

01:05:40.000 You're worried about a plant?

01:05:42.000 They just cut it off at the root. 0.86

01:05:43.000 They go for the little guy.

01:05:44.000 They want to send a message.

01:05:46.000 If you oppose us, this is what you get.

01:05:47.000 Now we have that news the Supreme Court won't take up the case of the florist?

01:05:51.000 It's the most selective libertarianism in the world.

01:05:53.000 The left is only libertarian for the big tech monopolies in every other sense they are.

01:05:58.000 I love the leftist person I was on YouTube saying, but they're private companies.

01:06:02.000 It's like, bro, can I go through your 10-year YouTube history of all your anti-corporate messaging and please ask you to be consistent?

01:06:09.000 And also, this is just a great example of when abstractions go wrong.

01:06:13.000 Let's just use a little bit of prudence and practical wisdom.

01:06:16.000 You have a combined market capitalization value of $6 trillion of four companies.

01:06:21.000 We're really going to all of a sudden make a scale and size argument to your point, Will, that the Baker in Colorado has the same sort of impact on humanity that four companies with a $6 trillion market capitalization do that have entire departments of thousands of employees earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year that do nothing but artificial intelligence.

01:06:41.000 And these are information highways.

01:06:42.000 And we have laws about interstate highways.

01:06:44.000 So the Chicago Skyway is a private highway.

01:06:46.000 It goes from South Bend, Indiana to downtown Chicago.

01:06:49.000 On the Chicago Skyway, it's owned by private bondholders.

01:06:52.000 They are not allowed to put a sign that says that Republicans are not allowed to drive on this highway.

01:06:57.000 Open access!

01:06:58.000 Anyone can drive on that highway.

01:06:59.000 It is exactly the same with these big tech companies.

01:07:01.000 These are information highways, and we have a moral right to be able to speak on them.

01:07:05.000 I agree.

01:07:06.000 I think we all agree.

01:07:07.000 It's hard for a tech company to censor.

01:07:11.000 I think that you really want to put the control of the censorship in the individual's hands.

01:07:16.000 Like, I should be able to put, I don't want to see hashtag dogs in anything on this site when I'm on it.

01:07:21.000 So I won't.

01:07:22.000 I don't want to see hashtag dogs for 19 days on this site.

01:07:25.000 You make it granularly, you let people kind of censor themselves granularly, and you'll find much, much better ease of access.

01:07:31.000 I agree with that.

01:07:33.000 Yeah, well, you know, Ian, you have experience with moderating minds and the nightmare reality that is what people post on these web platforms.

01:07:42.000 Yeah.

01:07:42.000 So to an extent, the ability to moderate is extremely important.

01:07:46.000 I think if we actually saw Pandora's box open up with an unmoderated internet at this scale, people would probably just start throwing up right next to where they sit, the kind of things that are posted.

01:07:57.000 A lot of it is that metaphor of like, when happens an injury, you notice it, you feel it, you think about it.

01:08:03.000 But when everything's healthy and happy, it doesn't even cross your mind.

01:08:06.000 It's normal.

01:08:07.000 So it's same thing with like internet content.

01:08:10.000 If you see something vicious, it's loud and it's in your face.

01:08:14.000 But if you just see normal stuff, it's kind of, you just kind of scroll past it.

01:08:17.000 What ends up happening is, you know, we have section 230, which addresses lewd, lascivious, objectionable.

01:08:23.000 And so there's a lot of things on the internet.

01:08:25.000 I think if people... You know, these Facebook moderators, for instance, have, like, PTSD.

01:08:30.000 And, you know, we often hear about these leftists who, you know, will have neon plush toy safe spaces at their colleges for when someone says a naughty word or something.

01:08:39.000 And we laugh at the idea that they have PTSD.

01:08:41.000 Or the journalist who claimed that firing an AR-15 gave him temporary PTSD.

01:08:45.000 We laugh at that.

01:08:46.000 These Facebook moderators?

01:08:48.000 I actually believe it.

01:08:49.000 Because they're looking at like snuff, murder, stuff with children.

01:08:52.000 I did it for like five years, man.

01:08:54.000 It was it was the most...

01:08:56.000 It explains it.

01:08:57.000 It explains.

01:08:58.000 Devastating.

01:08:59.000 You want to know why I'm the way I am, Tim?

01:09:00.000 Because five years, every day I'd get on and I'd look at the boost cue and if I saw a blown

01:09:04.000 open body, I'd have to say no.

01:09:07.000 If I saw, you know, a swastika, no.

01:09:10.000 Well that's different actually.

01:09:11.000 Well, it depends on how it's framed a lot of times.

01:09:13.000 But I mean, like, there's good reason to moderate content.

01:09:17.000 The problem is, the people who have seized the reins of that moderation, they saw that, you know, do regular people want to see a video of a guy being murdered?

01:09:26.000 No.

01:09:27.000 So we need a law protecting the right to moderate.

01:09:30.000 Then someone went, hey, I could take that claim conservatives are objectionable and then ban all of them under the protection of this law.

01:09:36.000 Exactly.

01:09:36.000 Because I felt bad saying no to the swastika.

01:09:39.000 That's like free speech.

01:09:40.000 I know it's like it's it's you could say it's like a dangerous version of free speech, but I always felt weird like.

01:09:47.000 saying no to free speech.

01:09:49.000 Well, I'll tell you this.

01:09:51.000 They love to mention, what's the guy's name?

01:09:52.000 Karl Popper, was that his name?

01:09:53.000 The Paradox of Intolerance, where they have this comic where they're like,

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:56.000 we must not tolerate intolerance because if we do, then the intolerant take over

01:10:00.000 and then stifle the rights of everybody else.

01:10:02.000 And I'm like, well, there's some truth to that.

01:10:05.000 Here we have conservatives, libertarians, former disaffected liberal types,

01:10:10.000 the intellectual dark, whatever you want to call it, constantly being like,

01:10:13.000 we will defend the free speech of say, right wing watch.

01:10:17.000 or media matters.

01:10:19.000 and we do because we believe on principle they have a right to say the things they say.

01:10:22.000 They then use that speech to cause economic damage to their political opponents and it's

01:10:27.000 working.

01:10:28.000 And they're gaining that ground.

01:10:31.000 Culture is downstream of technology.

01:10:32.000 That's for sure.

01:10:33.000 Well that's where, I mean we actually need to toughen up defamation laws.

01:10:36.000 That's a separate issue there, right?

01:10:37.000 Like, it's way... The current standard of actual mouse is way too harsh.

01:10:40.000 I think we've talked about this before.

01:10:41.000 We have, we have.

01:10:42.000 And it is very hard to sue for defamation, but that's not necessarily the issue.

01:10:46.000 I mean, think about the amount of money you need.

01:10:49.000 Look at James O'Keefe and the battle he's going through.

01:10:51.000 He's like, we're trying to raise a million dollars to do this.

01:10:54.000 Even when you have the ability to go to court, the cost is insane for any regular person.

01:11:00.000 So, of course, you know, we talked with James on the show about the People's Defamation Defense Fund or whatever, and then they ended up launching Project Veritas Legal for that purpose.

01:11:10.000 Incredible work those guys are doing.

01:11:11.000 James O'Keefe is amazing.

01:11:14.000 And that's, I mean, probably the only way we're gonna be able to do it.

01:11:17.000 Again, the laws do need reform.

01:11:19.000 And it's still so hard.

01:11:19.000 I mean, it's not, I mean, on one hand, even if we got the law better, You know, the money would still be a huge issue as a barrier to access to the legal system.

01:11:28.000 But yeah, I mean, defamation is the most plaintiff unfriendly area of the law in basically out there.

01:11:35.000 I got lucky.

01:11:36.000 The Daily Beast wrote about John McAfee's passing, and they said that it triggered conspiracy theories, and they called me alt-right.

01:11:47.000 And it's laughable that somebody would write that, because there's no context for it in any capacity that I have ever said anything or been involved in any of these groups.

01:11:55.000 I sent a DM to the writer, and I was like, I just want to let you know, I'm not.

01:11:59.000 And he was like, oh, sorry, and he changed it.

01:12:00.000 And I was like, hey, there you go.

01:12:01.000 I didn't have to do anything.

01:12:01.000 Look at that.

01:12:02.000 He just, he fixed it.

01:12:03.000 It was great.

01:12:04.000 I was like, thank you very much.

01:12:05.000 I really do appreciate it.

01:12:06.000 I'm thinking about moderation still and like okay you see an image it's easy to say I don't want to see hashtag dogs but you can't say I don't want to see an image of you need artificial intelligence to say like this is a blown open body you don't know how to how do I say hashtag pictures I can't the words don't so it makes me think like these sites have to moderate they have to moderate the individual can't you can't technology is not that good and then I think like I want to know what you guys think, Will and Charlie, about freeing the software code of big tech companies, because I don't think breaking these companies up or forcing them to moderate in a certain way is ethical.

01:12:42.000 First of all, I don't think breaking them up is functional.

01:12:44.000 As we saw with Rockefeller's Standard Oil at the end of the 1800s, we broke it up into six oil companies.

01:12:48.000 He had stock in all six, became richer and more influential than before.

01:12:53.000 If we did that to Facebook, we'd have Facebook Prime, we'd have Facebook Messenger, we'd have Instagram.

01:12:56.000 Zuckerberg would own bits of all of them.

01:12:58.000 He'd be just as powerful, if not more.

01:13:01.000 I think we need to force free the software code and give other people access to the ability to produce that technology.

01:13:09.000 And then everyone can have their own type of moderation methods.

01:13:14.000 Like if you want to say no to a guy, the gay couple that wants to have the writing on their cake, you can do that on your social network. 0.99

01:13:20.000 But I have access to that code so I can build my own version of it and allow that.

01:13:24.000 And then the market will decide where people go.

01:13:27.000 Let's translate that into a simple question of What do you think the solution is?

01:13:32.000 I don't think antitrust necessarily makes sense because who wants to use Bing, right?

01:13:37.000 Yeah, antitrust in social media is a difficult one because I think they're natural monopolies, right?

01:13:42.000 Like, people try and say Facebook and Twitter and YouTube are meaningful competitors.

01:13:47.000 YouTube, I think, is one place where you can actually have meaningful competition, but Facebook and Twitter, it's very challenging because Twitter, I mean, I remember when Twitter was promoting Parler.

01:13:55.000 Like, they let Parler trend.

01:13:56.000 They don't let things, they don't want to trend, but they let Parler trend.

01:13:59.000 And I think part of the issue was, Twitter knows we have all the influencers.

01:14:04.000 We have all the journalists.

01:14:05.000 We have all the rock stars we have.

01:14:07.000 Everybody uses Twitter already, and that's an impermeable moat that means that competitors are trying to replicate what we're doing.

01:14:13.000 They're not going to be able to, which is why all the social media companies do something really distinct.

01:14:17.000 All the big ones.

01:14:18.000 Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, TikTok, etc.

01:14:24.000 And I think because they're so big, okay, then we're in regulation world.

01:14:27.000 Then we're in, you know, we need some de-platforming protections, non-discrimination rules.

01:14:33.000 And I think it is tricky to balance the need to moderate awful content with the fact that we need to make these platforms open to make the First Amendment meaningful.

01:14:45.000 And so we want a world where they can moderate the really crappy stuff and completely and stay out of politics.

01:14:51.000 And it's challenging to draw that up in a way that is First Amendment compliant.

01:14:55.000 But I think it can be done because I think it ultimately, you think from a civil rights perspective, it's like we need to stop discrimination based on politics.

01:15:03.000 But what if it becomes OK for four-year-olds to twerk?

01:15:06.000 I want to talk about the Florida law, and we'll open up into that.

01:15:10.000 So, in Florida, we just saw that Ron DeSantis' legislation to protect people was—what was it?

01:15:17.000 Was there an injunction on it, or was it struck down by a federal court?

01:15:20.000 It was enjoined.

01:15:20.000 It was enjoined by a federal court.

01:15:22.000 Enjoyed by a federal court, right, so it won't go into effect.

01:15:25.000 And that shows some of the issues, right?

01:15:26.000 One of the things the Florida law did was it prohibited, it would have prohibited Twitter from appending its notices to tweets.

01:15:35.000 And the problem with that kind of law is that's a prior restraint, right?

01:15:37.000 That's the government saying to someone, you are not allowed to speak.

01:15:40.000 And that's always going to be like strict scrutiny, very hard to get through.

01:15:44.000 But one of the things that that case did do is it said, there's this case called Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robbins, a Supreme Court case.

01:15:52.000 And in that case, You know, there was essentially a California law that allowed people to petition in shopping malls to set up petition booths or whatever.

01:15:59.000 The shopping mall owner was like, whoa, I don't want that.

01:16:01.000 That's a taking of my property.

01:16:02.000 That's also a First Amendment violation because it's compelled speech.

01:16:05.000 I don't want to associate myself with these petitioners.

01:16:08.000 Supreme Court said, no, you're not the speaker.

01:16:11.000 There's no First Amendment violation if a state wants to grant someone a right to use your property to speak if no one would associate with you speak and there's no like editorial component to it.

01:16:22.000 And the court in Florida was like, this is the path.

01:16:24.000 If you wanted to regulate these companies and allow people to have a right to speak on them, you could.

01:16:27.000 That would be compliant.

01:16:28.000 You just can't.

01:16:30.000 You can't do something that forces Twitter to speak or associates them with a speech or prohibits them from appending their own speech and making their own point of view heard.

01:16:40.000 What's the... Texas has a different law, and we heard from Alan Bakari that Texas's law is better.

01:16:45.000 Yes.

01:16:46.000 But, yeah, let's get into that.

01:16:49.000 What can be done, I guess?

01:16:51.000 I mean, what can be done is actually one of the things I've been proposing for a long time.

01:16:54.000 You had a private right of action that says people have a right to be on these platforms.

01:16:58.000 If they're wrongfully censored for lawful speech, they can have their accounts restored.

01:17:03.000 But so then just lawful speech is always allowed?

01:17:06.000 I mean, writing a law that says you cannot kick people off of a social media platform for lawful speech, that law would be constitutional under the reasoning of this judge.

01:17:17.000 But they have the ability to blacklist people, shadowban them, do all these things that aren't kicking them off, but you could essentially set their reach to zero, or next to zero.

01:17:26.000 They could say, oh, you're allowed to post, but we will never show your posts in anyone's feed because we're not obligated to.

01:17:32.000 I mean that's a possible attempt to like weasel the way around it, although I think I mean that's

01:17:37.000 where you're still getting into, you're still discriminating.

01:17:40.000 A well-written law, I think the Florida law itself said any form of suppression that puts

01:17:45.000 someone outside of the normal function of the service. So like that's fairly obvious you can't do

01:17:50.000 that.

01:17:51.000 But that could be part of the normal function of the service is blacklisting things that are dangerous.

01:17:55.000 No, judges are not robots. 1.00

01:17:56.000 The point, as you mentioned, of prudence is that a judge is going to hear and say, get out of here with that stupid argument. 1.00

01:18:01.000 Well, you say legal speech, right? 0.99

01:18:03.000 I mean, you can say the things that aren't imminent threats of violence, but are very violent.

01:18:03.000 Legal speech?

01:18:10.000 And that's legal.

01:18:12.000 Social media doesn't like that because it doesn't translate in text the way it translates when you say it to someone a lot of times.

01:18:18.000 Right, there will be legal challenges where judges will say, it's an interesting point, this may border on something, but if there's no, what, criminal indictment for a threat of violence or incitement or anything like that, then it's legal speech, isn't it?

01:18:29.000 Yeah.

01:18:29.000 And I mean, maybe this allows them to delete the content, but it doesn't allow them to de-platform the account or something like that, right?

01:18:35.000 Like maybe, you know, cause that then, I mean, that that's actually closer in terms of a question.

01:18:41.000 I mean, it's like it again, it's, it's, it's a really difficult challenge to write a law that fits, but it's, I think it's doable.

01:18:47.000 And I think, you know, there's a lot of tech people who are like heart, you know, loving the fact that, I mean, I've read a big tech blog or the shill blog and they were like, Haha, Rhonda Sanders' law got thrown down.

01:18:56.000 And I'm like, I read the opinion and it kind of does lay out a path for a new law that would pass constitutional muster.

01:19:03.000 Yeah, and I think the idea of speech is part of the problem.

01:19:06.000 The bigger problem of why they have the ability to censor speech is they have way too much economic power.

01:19:12.000 And these companies are too big, and they're too diversified.

01:19:15.000 And your point is a good one, that breaking them up can be very tricky.

01:19:18.000 It can have the adverse effect.

01:19:20.000 There is a way to do it, and Rockefeller's not the best example.

01:19:24.000 The railroads are the best example.

01:19:26.000 With Leland Stanford and how we use the Sherman Antitrust Act to actually be able to democratize the use of railroads, which basically allowed us to have entry into the entire western, you know, part of the United States, where Leland Stanford, who Stanford University is named after, built all the railroads and became under huge scrutiny by the trust busters of Teddy Roosevelt's ilk and Howard Taft defended him.

01:19:47.000 But by a different point is that there's a right way to do this and a wrong way to do this.

01:19:52.000 The right way to do this would be closer The Microsoft case is tricky in the 90s.

01:19:58.000 It slowed down Microsoft Internet Explorer.

01:20:00.000 The bad way to do this would be... I think it's Bell?

01:20:05.000 Is that the one they always make?

01:20:06.000 Yeah, they broke it up.

01:20:08.000 Yeah, and that one actually didn't work.

01:20:09.000 That one had the opposite effect.

01:20:11.000 But I'm of the opinion that until you restrict, and that's a big word for a conservative to use, but I just don't care because it's bad for our country, the economic domination that these companies have.

01:20:21.000 And so the best offensive move, in my opinion, is Ken Paxton's lawsuit out of Texas, the Google ad lawsuit.

01:20:28.000 It's really, really well written, and it goes to show how these ads are actually disenfranchising certain small businesses, and they're giving preferential treatment to others.

01:20:38.000 Was this like where they banned the pro-life ads?

01:20:40.000 Yes, but it's even beyond that.

01:20:42.000 It's that how, if you know how to word certain Google AdWords, Tim's Coffee Shop is not going to get as high of a preference as Starbucks.

01:20:51.000 That's a really good lawsuit.

01:20:52.000 I mean, that story was crazy.

01:20:54.000 I remember when it was like a pro-life organization tried buying ads and they got told, you're violating our rules.

01:20:59.000 It's like, this is a scary world where people are just Where big tech can basically say certain ideas have been removed from society at the whims of Mark Zuckerberg and only Mark Zuckerberg.

01:21:13.000 And that's really the problem here, though, right?

01:21:15.000 Is that the censorship is one aspect.

01:21:17.000 We wouldn't be complaining about this if it was a censor of like, oh, I own a platform in, you know, I don't know, Manhattan, New York.

01:21:25.000 And like, I'm only going to allow transgenders to perform in my theater. 1.00

01:21:29.000 We'd complain about it and write an article, be like, OK, that's just one theater, right?

01:21:33.000 The point is that they have so much power they've been able to create through this kind of new world of being able, in my opinion, to have a very valuable company around not really delivering, in my opinion, a correlated meaningful service with the valuation of their company.

01:21:50.000 And what I mean by that is that Facebook is selling you.

01:21:53.000 They're a massive data company.

01:21:54.000 That's what they are.

01:21:55.000 Is that they figured out how to individually mine you and sell back your data to the same 100 companies over and over and over again.

01:22:03.000 Even if you don't use it.

01:22:04.000 Yeah, even if you don't use it, right?

01:22:05.000 And so Apple is similar but different.

01:22:07.000 They're actually in the hardware business.

01:22:08.000 And so this is something that I think could go a very dangerous direction.

01:22:12.000 I don't think nationalizing them is the right case.

01:22:14.000 I don't think we need to turn them into public utilities.

01:22:16.000 But the argument that I hear is like, well, Charlie, don't you want all this

01:22:19.000 innovation to stop from these tech companies?

01:22:21.000 Like, yeah, kind of actually I do.

01:22:22.000 I think that they're changing our humanity way too quickly.

01:22:25.000 And I don't think it's a good thing that everyone's going to be wearing

01:22:27.000 Oculus goggles in five years.

01:22:28.000 In fact, I'd love to slow down their innovation.

01:22:30.000 I want to preserve human beings and not be cyborgs.

01:22:32.000 What, you mean like the Oculus VR video games?

01:22:35.000 Or do you mean like Neuralink?

01:22:37.000 I mean like... How about 8 hours a day in goggles instead in the real world?

01:22:42.000 It's creepy, man.

01:22:43.000 People play video games too much, too, for sure.

01:22:44.000 I mean, we're using video games right now with these cameras.

01:22:47.000 Let me tell you, I am deeply offended by this story that came out today.

01:22:51.000 I was so offended.

01:22:52.000 I was, like, flipping tables over, and I was throwing things. 0.99

01:22:55.000 It said, uh, grilling sucks. 0.99

01:22:57.000 Yes! 0.98

01:22:58.000 You saw that trending on Twitter.

01:23:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:00.000 It was like, your grill is filthy, the heating element is below the food so the fat is dripping into it, it's starting fires, then you're putting your dirt, your clean food, onto the dirty pile.

01:23:10.000 And I was like, My grill has a heating element off to the side that pulls heat down it and then brings a smoky flavor from the from the Mesquite chips that I can add to it and It cooks my food very very quickly all around the same time while I'm outside in the sunshine with my friends Enjoying a nice day outside because you don't want to sit inside all the time

01:23:34.000 So, my point is, when it comes to video games, we need to be outside.

01:23:38.000 We gotta get that vitamin D from the sunlight.

01:23:40.000 But it seems like more and more, it's like that Black Mirror episode where they all live in the cubes, where the walls were TVs, and they had avatars in the stands at the American Idol karaoke contests.

01:23:54.000 It's very Huxleyan in the sense of just trying to pursue immediate pleasure and not virtue.

01:24:01.000 People mention 1984 a lot.

01:24:03.000 Totally true.

01:24:04.000 I think we're heading towards a brave new world a lot quicker than we are in 1984.

01:24:08.000 And the tech companies are the main drivers of this.

01:24:12.000 They think that they are going to create this culture of pleasure.

01:24:16.000 So you mentioned Brave New World.

01:24:18.000 I have not read it for my sins.

01:24:20.000 What about it makes you think that it's more like Brave New World?

01:24:23.000 So if I can talk a little bit about it.

01:24:25.000 So Aldous Huxley was one of five kind of dystopian thinkers that were contemporaries.

01:24:31.000 Churchill was one of them.

01:24:33.000 Arthur Kessler was one.

01:24:34.000 He wrote Darkness at Noon, which is one of the best dystopian books all about the Soviet show trials.

01:24:39.000 George Orwell and then C.S.

01:24:41.000 Lewis, who kind of dabbled in this kind of dystopian literature a little bit.

01:24:45.000 Lewis fan.

01:24:45.000 I'm a big C.S.

01:24:46.000 So Aldous Huxley got a formal first from Oxford.

01:24:48.000 He was super smart.

01:24:50.000 And he wrote Brave New World, which is all kind of about this idea of the over-excesses of commercial society.

01:24:57.000 So they measure time as years after Henry Ford.

01:25:01.000 So Aldous Huxley made a provocative argument that the beginning of the assembly line was the death of humanity.

01:25:06.000 And so they attributed positive characteristics as saying, you're being very fordly.

01:25:06.000 Right?

01:25:11.000 They'd call it fordliness.

01:25:13.000 And so in Brave New World, there's this famous incantation, right, that is repeated over and over again in people's sleep that says everybody belongs to everybody.

01:25:22.000 And so in this dystopian future, you walk around this thing called the Soma, S-O-M-A, which is a pill that is non-addictive but gives you immediate and total gratified pleasure.

01:25:33.000 Kind of similar to this.

01:25:34.000 And then the work, you go to work every day, the work is not hard, it's not arduous, it's just enough to make you feel like you did something even though you're doing nothing.

01:25:41.000 And then during a very pre-planned hour, there is unrestricted group sex that happens every single night.

01:25:48.000 And so the whole overarch, and I'm not going to spoil the end of the book, the whole idea is the death of the individual, of monogamy, and this idea of the ultimate value in Huxley's world is pleasure.

01:25:59.000 Everything is about how you feel and pursuing a dopamine rush.

01:26:03.000 He may have got some of the details wrong, but it's already happened.

01:26:07.000 Right, and so where I think Huxley was not as clairvoyant as Orwell is I think Huxley underestimated the role of technology.

01:26:16.000 Orwell, I think, was kind of creepily prophetic about telescreen and this idea of doublethink and newspeak and total and continual monitorance and the psychology of a tyrant.

01:26:28.000 So if you kind of blend 84 and brave new world we're living through this a lot of ways and

01:26:33.000 I think the tech companies need to be crushed because they are destroying our humanity

01:26:37.000 and they're trying to make people pursue pleasure and not virtue. You know, we were talking

01:26:41.000 to Ben Stewart, he was on the show recently and he was saying that it feels like some powerful

01:26:46.000 entity is constructing itself through us.

01:26:48.000 It's an interesting idea that it seems like everything we're doing, as you mentioned,

01:26:52.000 destroys the individual.

01:26:54.000 It's almost like whether it's intentional or not, the actions of humanity today are dominoes being knocked over that will create some kind of artificial intelligence and then ultimately result in us being mindless drones or eventually just dying out.

01:27:09.000 Yeah, and so this is this idea of the collectivization of society, right?

01:27:14.000 We're already kind of succumbing to this of the three terms I hate the most, which is experts, extremism and public health, right?

01:27:22.000 So those three things are always used as kind of conversation stoppers.

01:27:26.000 And the biggest one, of course, is public health, not personal health, right?

01:27:29.000 No, but public health.

01:27:31.000 And I was going to say, you know what, though?

01:27:33.000 Come on, man.

01:27:34.000 Look, we all grew up.

01:27:35.000 We've seen Star Trek.

01:27:37.000 Every kid.

01:27:38.000 Every kid.

01:27:42.000 Every single kid just wished as they watched Star Trek that they could be in the Borg.

01:27:47.000 So resistance is futile.

01:27:50.000 I'm kidding.

01:27:51.000 Nobody wanted to be the Borg.

01:27:52.000 The Borg was the nightmare.

01:27:53.000 That's right.

01:27:54.000 So I'm a big Star Trek fan.

01:27:56.000 I own it.

01:27:56.000 People make fun of me.

01:27:57.000 Whatever.

01:27:58.000 They already do that. 0.98

01:28:01.000 I'm a big Next Generation fan, and Jean-Luc Picard is the ultimate stoic in leadership.

01:28:06.000 I have a whole shtick on this, we can explore it if you want.

01:28:09.000 Jean-Luc Picard was all about duty and responsibility, and he never told a lie, and he was all about the broader mission.

01:28:16.000 So Gene Roddenberry was the creator of the idea of Star Trek.

01:28:20.000 Who always was trying to say that we need it like the ideal is a post-commercial society you didn't own anything

01:28:26.000 there was no currency and Basically in the Federation right in the Federation right

01:28:32.000 well on the particular mission, right?

01:28:34.000 So the the idea of the Starship Enterprise actually earth let me even correct that on earth in the Star Trek

01:28:40.000 narrative They had gotten rid of private property. They have gotten

01:28:42.000 rid of commerce. I don't think that's true Okay, you could you could correct me. There's

01:28:47.000 I think the issue is the writers wanted to create that ideal of a future with no property, but that broke the motive function of humanity, and so what ends up happening is you see depictions of beachfront properties, and you see in Deep Space Nine, for instance, Uh, uh, Latinum was heavily traded.

01:29:07.000 I understand Deep Space Nine was working with different, uh, you know, different civilizations were coming and going.

01:29:13.000 But even in, uh, the next generation, Federation credits are used to exchange between the Federation and other civilizations.

01:29:19.000 So currency existed.

01:29:23.000 Sure.

01:29:25.000 That could be right.

01:29:26.000 The point I'm making, though, is Roddenberry created this idea that you can have what you want when you want it, right?

01:29:31.000 Food will appear as you want it, you can go on the holodeck.

01:29:34.000 But I think he actually makes the best point for flawed human nature, which is against the anti-commercial thought of Rousseau.

01:29:42.000 Which is that we do bad things because of our society, because we always want things, and that's what gives us our greed.

01:29:49.000 And if that actually was true, there'd be no drama in Star Trek.

01:29:53.000 Instead, they still have romantic relationships.

01:29:55.000 They still lie.

01:29:57.000 They still steal.

01:29:57.000 They still cheat.

01:29:59.000 The point I'm getting at, which is a contrarian point, is that in Gene Roddenberry, to try to create this idea of a futuristic utopia, he actually says, even if we get rid of all the needs, wants, and interests of the individual, You're still going to have tension and drama amongst fellow human beings, or human beings and other species.

01:30:16.000 I love, too, the left likes to say Star Trek is communism.

01:30:20.000 It's not.

01:30:21.000 It's literally not.

01:30:22.000 It's an idealized post- There's a techno-communism.

01:30:25.000 It's not.

01:30:26.000 It's idealized post-scarcity classical liberalism.

01:30:29.000 There are people in charge.

01:30:31.000 There's military hierarchy.

01:30:33.000 Huge hierarchy.

01:30:34.000 Yeah, huge hierarchy.

01:30:35.000 There's Admiral Picard in the new Picard series.

01:30:38.000 There are choices people can make, places they can go.

01:30:41.000 It's not that everything is necessarily free.

01:30:44.000 It may be because different writers wrote different things and different episodes have different elements, but very much so, it is not communist.

01:30:51.000 There are things of value.

01:30:52.000 There are artifacts.

01:30:53.000 Picard owns a winery.

01:30:55.000 But it's not total post-scarcity because they run the enterprise off of, what, dilithium crystals?

01:31:00.000 But can they 3D print dilithium in their machines?

01:31:00.000 Dilithium.

01:31:02.000 No, they can't.

01:31:03.000 So that's... Right, right.

01:31:05.000 It's post-scarcity in terms of basic human needs, but very much so, there are rarities.

01:31:11.000 Picard's an archaeologist.

01:31:12.000 There are rare artifacts that he wants.

01:31:14.000 He's gifted an artifact in one episode, and he's like, I can't believe this is given to me.

01:31:18.000 Wow, it's... you can't get these, you can't make them.

01:31:21.000 It's like an old artifact from an ancient civilization.

01:31:23.000 Very much so, scarcity and rarities and value exists.

01:31:27.000 So reduce scarcity.

01:31:29.000 Food scarcity and shelter.

01:31:32.000 For human sustenance, right?

01:31:33.000 All of that scarcity disappeared in that.

01:31:36.000 There was no longer a factor.

01:31:37.000 The writers, in order to make the show function, cross-continuity with the other series, money needed to exist.

01:31:44.000 Because it was post-scarcity.

01:31:46.000 They called it latinum.

01:31:46.000 Food and shelter was post-scarcity, but only if you had dilithium.

01:31:50.000 Because if you didn't have the energy... No, earth was fine.

01:31:52.000 But earth must have been running also off of dilithium, I would imagine.

01:31:54.000 Dilithium crystals are for the warp core reactors.

01:31:57.000 For general purpose, they had renewable energy systems.

01:32:00.000 So they're retaining energy from the vacuum.

01:32:00.000 I see.

01:32:02.000 And you make a really good point, though, is that the three words that is most repeated by Picard would make him closer to Marcus Aurelius than to, you know, an egalitarian leader, which is, make it so.

01:32:12.000 I mean, that is the most clear way that you can command anyone.

01:32:16.000 Not like, hey, do you think this is a good idea?

01:32:18.000 Instead it's, make it so.

01:32:20.000 Egalitarianism, I guess.

01:32:21.000 Whenever you talk to a communist and they say, that's not real communism, right?

01:32:24.000 What is real communism?

01:32:26.000 They say it is everyone living equally in full ownership, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff.

01:32:30.000 Egalitarianism.

01:32:31.000 Yeah, but when you bring up dictatorship, they say that's the deviation.

01:32:36.000 Communism isn't supposed to have the people who control everything and are the wealthy elites.

01:32:41.000 Picard has his own ready room on the bridge.

01:32:44.000 What gives him this luxury?

01:32:46.000 I think it was Nicholas Gomez de Villa that said every equal society is divided into two parts.

01:32:52.000 There's always gotta be somebody making everybody else equal.

01:32:56.000 Yeah, and there was a great episode where Q, he's this omnipotent entity.

01:33:02.000 Not that Q. I don't think so. 1.00

01:33:06.000 Just so everyone knows, Q is like a divine figure in Star Trek.

01:33:09.000 He's part of the continuum of ascended entities.

01:33:12.000 Wow, so is it the 17th letter?

01:33:14.000 I think it's the same Q. Yes, yes, but anyway.

01:33:17.000 What if there was a connection?

01:33:19.000 Picard gets the OQ.

01:33:21.000 It's him causing all our problems.

01:33:22.000 Picard gets the opportunity to go back and save his heart, because he said, if I was just not brash in my youth, I never would have lost my heart getting stabbed in a bar fight.

01:33:31.000 He has a mechanical heart.

01:33:33.000 And so he goes back, changes history, and then when he returns to the present, he's a lowly science officer, a low-ranking officer of some sort, and when he goes and he talks to Riker, he says, do I have what it takes to be leadership?

01:33:46.000 Riker says, you've always been scared to take the risk necessary to do what needed to be done.

01:33:52.000 So honestly, no, I don't think you'll ever make it.

01:33:54.000 And then Picard goes, enough Q!

01:33:55.000 Send me back! 0.88

01:33:56.000 I get it!

01:33:57.000 The point was, you had to earn something.

01:34:00.000 You were told if you didn't work hard enough and do what you had to do, you wouldn't earn it and you weren't good enough.

01:34:05.000 And that's what Michael Malice says is the big question that, I think Malice says this, what determines whether someone is on the right or the left?

01:34:12.000 Have you ever heard him ask this?

01:34:13.000 No.

01:34:13.000 Let me ask you the question.

01:34:14.000 Do you think that some people are better than others?

01:34:17.000 Of course.

01:34:17.000 Well, do I think they're better at things than others or do they have more inherent worth than others?

01:34:22.000 I just said, do you think some people are better than others?

01:34:25.000 Plain and simple.

01:34:26.000 Yeah, there's a couple different ways to interpret this.

01:34:27.000 But yes, generally, I think there's a hierarchy of... It's a broad question.

01:34:32.000 It could mean a lot of things.

01:34:33.000 Michael mentioned that on the left, the leftists will say, no, of course not.

01:34:37.000 Or they'll hem and haw and say, well, I mean, but people on the new right will just be like, yeah, of course.

01:34:43.000 The only asterisk I would put is that one human being at birth does not have an inherent value over another.

01:34:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:34:49.000 But if you were to say, are some people better than others, there's a bunch of reasons why the answer is yes.

01:34:55.000 Some people are better at basketball than others.

01:34:57.000 Of course.

01:34:57.000 Some people are better at math than others.

01:34:59.000 Yeah, but they could be worse at something as well.

01:35:03.000 So like, are they better?

01:35:03.000 Exactly.

01:35:05.000 And are they worse?

01:35:05.000 Yes.

01:35:06.000 Yes.

01:35:07.000 So the point is, it's not an incomplete question, it's just a broad question.

01:35:11.000 I didn't say, in every respect.

01:35:13.000 I didn't say, are some people better than others in every single circumstance.

01:35:17.000 But if you're better at basketball than another person, but worse at math, then is there like a total of worseness?

01:35:22.000 So you're not better, even though you are at some.

01:35:24.000 You're better than them.

01:35:25.000 You don't need to add qualifiers to the statement that if I say, are some people better than others, we're not getting specific.

01:35:32.000 The fact of the matter is, everyone is better than everyone else for some reason or other reason.

01:35:35.000 The point is, yes, quite simply.

01:35:38.000 Charlie's better taking notes than I am.

01:35:39.000 I don't even take notes.

01:35:40.000 He's great at it.

01:35:41.000 Thank you.

01:35:44.000 And this goes back to the idea, what he's really getting at is, do you think there's a hierarchy of existence?

01:35:50.000 And we as conservatives do.

01:35:52.000 We think some things are more beautiful than others, objectively more beautiful.

01:35:55.000 We think that some things are more desirable and better for society.

01:36:00.000 They think that it's all just kind of a subjective exploration.

01:36:04.000 Who's to say that that's better than that?

01:36:06.000 You're making me think of the Borg.

01:36:07.000 Like, is the Borg?

01:36:09.000 Okay, in the history of Star Trek, there was a war, right?

01:36:11.000 World War III happened, and then this great federation came out of that after?

01:36:16.000 Sort of.

01:36:17.000 I mean, long after, there's a lot that happened.

01:36:19.000 There was a big war, there was a period where authoritarian governments ruled by drugging their police officers into being high all the time.

01:36:27.000 There's a lot to go through.

01:36:28.000 Okay, that happened in Nazi Germany.

01:36:30.000 And, uh, you know, so what happens is, uh, Zephryn, Zephryn Cockrum?

01:36:34.000 Yes, he invented the warp drive.

01:36:35.000 Uh, yeah, and it was like a fairly low, uh, power, low, like, low class operation, basically.

01:36:43.000 And then the Vulcans took notice and then said, oh, we better talk to these, you know, fellas.

01:36:48.000 So we can talk about the Vulcans for a while.

01:36:50.000 Do humans evolve at some point into or build an AI that then becomes the Borg?

01:36:50.000 Oh yeah.

01:36:55.000 That's very historicist of you to believe that human beings are always on a pathway to the ubermensch.

01:37:01.000 Eventually we will eventually become the Superman.

01:37:04.000 I reject such German philosophy. 0.96

01:37:07.000 You have not seen Picard.

01:37:08.000 I haven't seen Picard.

01:37:10.000 So, spoilers for those that haven't seen Picard.

01:37:13.000 Is this not like a Paramount login or some crazy thing?

01:37:15.000 Yes, it is.

01:37:16.000 See, I reject the premise.

01:37:17.000 So, I didn't want to watch it because I was really worried.

01:37:19.000 I was like, I know what they're going to do.

01:37:21.000 And it actually was pretty good, and it's very different from The Next Generation, but it's basically fan service for the fans of TNG, where everybody makes an appearance.

01:37:28.000 Not everybody, but Brent Spiner's in it, and you're like, how does he do that?

01:37:32.000 He actually plays Data!

01:37:33.000 And I was surprised because he's old and Data is an android.

01:37:35.000 But anyway, I digress.

01:37:36.000 Spoiler alerts for everybody who watched.

01:37:38.000 Or who hasn't watched.

01:37:40.000 So, in the show, in Nemesis, which is one of the- I think was Nemesis the last movie?

01:37:45.000 The last Star Trek- I never saw Nemesis.

01:37:47.000 The last TNG movie, I think, was Nemesis.

01:37:49.000 Data sacrifices himself to save Picard. 0.92

01:37:52.000 The storyline of Picard is that someone was able to take the positronic neurons from, I think, um... What was the stupid data called?

01:38:00.000 There was Lore and then there was... B or whatever, I can't remember the name.

01:38:04.000 You're testing my Star Trek trivia.

01:38:05.000 So, they start making new, much much better synthetic beings.

01:38:10.000 And that's basically the premise that, yes, a superior humanoid with synthetics that eats, drinks, and lives, but can calculate like data, is created, and it's a threat to biological existence.

01:38:22.000 And that's the Borg?

01:38:24.000 No.

01:38:24.000 Oh.

01:38:25.000 It's just a superior synthetic.

01:38:26.000 It is, it is like a human.

01:38:28.000 It's the Uberman.

01:38:28.000 With superpowers.

01:38:29.000 Right, right, right.

01:38:29.000 It's the Superman.

01:38:30.000 Like in, like in Star Trek, data can calculate and they'll be like, what's 57 trillion times, you know, 47.369.

01:38:37.000 And he's like, the answer to that is, so these new synthetics are super strong, super fast, can do all the calculations.

01:38:42.000 Are they carbon based?

01:38:43.000 Can they give birth? 1.00

01:38:44.000 Uh, I don't think so, but they easily self-replicate.

01:38:49.000 That's kind of the point, I guess.

01:38:50.000 Self-replication.

01:38:51.000 And so there's a group of Romulans that are like, this new lifeform is a threat to the existence of us, the old lifeforms. 1.00

01:38:57.000 And the Borg are different.

01:38:59.000 The Borg are biological, that incorporate mechanics, mechanical parts into their structure, and then eventually connected their brains on what I would consider to be like an advanced form of Twitter.

01:39:11.000 Where all their thoughts are heard in rapid succession and then it forms a unifying collective mind.

01:39:15.000 So are we evolving?

01:39:16.000 Is this what's happening?

01:39:16.000 Is humans are splitting?

01:39:17.000 So this is an interesting question, which is that some would say yes.

01:39:21.000 I mean, if you play out Darwin and Hegel, they would believe that human evolution is ever-progressing.

01:39:30.000 That if you look at the historicist's view of the world, which is replicated in this narrative that you talked about, They think that human nature will get better and that eventually we will reach that ultimate level of the Superman.

01:39:41.000 I reject that premise, obviously, categorically.

01:39:43.000 Yeah, it's just wrong.

01:39:45.000 I think nature is the norm.

01:39:46.000 I think that we are such minuscule, tiny pieces of this universe that the idea of humans would ascend to some, you know, Yeah, without resistance, like a tree without wind will fall over and die.

01:40:00.000 You need resistance to grow, so I would imagine as we evolve and become stronger, we're gonna seek new resistance to continue to grow.

01:40:06.000 Evolution is not linear.

01:40:09.000 What pressure is being exerted upon humans to make them smarter, stronger, faster?

01:40:12.000 Gravity.

01:40:13.000 Nothing.

01:40:14.000 In fact, evolutionary pressure right now is making humans stupider. 0.99

01:40:17.000 It's devolution. 0.99

01:40:18.000 And weaker.

01:40:19.000 It's not even necessarily devolution.

01:40:21.000 It's just evolution.

01:40:23.000 Mike Judge said it best.

01:40:25.000 Those who procreate the most are being rewarded by nature.

01:40:28.000 But like some, because some people are building critical thinking skills, it seems like.

01:40:32.000 Some people are learning empathy and gaining psychic power, for all I know.

01:40:36.000 To understand evolution, you need to ask who are procreating the most and why, and then you can make predictions about what's going to happen in the next several generations.

01:40:46.000 There is nothing to suggest that we are being forced to be smarter, stronger, and faster.

01:40:50.000 What evolutionary pressure would result in that?

01:40:52.000 Like, if a bunch of aliens came and started hunting and killing humans, the fastest, smartest, and strongest humans would survive the extinction event, have a bunch of babies, and the babies would be much stronger.

01:41:02.000 That would be an evolutionary event.

01:41:03.000 That's not happening right now.

01:41:05.000 We're gorging—well, I mean, actually, maybe it is. 0.98

01:41:07.000 A lot of dumb people gorging on fast food and trash and not exercising and decaying in their homes and their lounge chairs or believing that because the earth is melting they're not going to have kids at all. 0.99

01:41:18.000 So the one thing Mike Judge missed is that something we absolutely do see is that conservatives have more kids than liberals. 1.00

01:41:26.000 And today, liberals are even less likely to have kids.

01:41:29.000 So, one thing I've brought up in the past, Pew Research shows that Gen Z is slightly more conservative than Millennials, but only by a tiny, tiny amount, and only in some areas.

01:41:36.000 Meaning, they're very much like Millennials, slightly more conservative. 0.61

01:41:40.000 A lot of people on the right seem to think that means the right is winning the culture war.

01:41:44.000 You're not winning the culture war, you're winning the breeding war. 0.95

01:41:47.000 In the early 2000s, a report was done, several reports, showing that liberals on average were having about 1.7 kids, and conservatives were having 2.02 kids, which meant in 20 years, or in 18 years from that study, there would be a bunch of voting people and slightly more conservative than liberal.

01:42:05.000 If that trend continues, the future absolutely will be religious conservative.

01:42:10.000 Maybe not Christian, maybe it'll be Muslim, but Oh, that's assuming that conservative parents will have conservative children, but as we were talking about with Ben Stewart, technology kind of hijacks and leaps evolution. 0.50

01:42:21.000 So, like, a child of a conservative can go on the internet and have their evolution shifted and become a new... It's not even just the internet.

01:42:28.000 It's also our public schools, you know.

01:42:30.000 To go back to the CRT discussion, just because we win this battle on CRT doesn't mean we aren't sending our children to the schools run by people who thought CRT was a wonderful idea.

01:42:39.000 So that is...

01:42:41.000 I don't think necessarily changes the equation.

01:42:44.000 Because some conservative children can be indoctrinated and turn to the left, then they're still less likely to have kids after the fact.

01:42:50.000 So, it will effectively have a pull factor on conservative children, but the end result is always going to be slightly more conservatives existing because they're having more kids.

01:42:58.000 So you think it's the state of mind that is resulting in less children?

01:43:04.000 I understand that.

01:43:04.000 Well, I mean, AOC, I think it was, she said, I'm scared to have a kid because of climate change.

01:43:10.000 There was an article that came out recently saying having a child is the most destructive thing you can do.

01:43:14.000 Conservatives are like, I don't care about that.

01:43:16.000 I'm gonna have kids.

01:43:17.000 And they do.

01:43:17.000 You should have lots of kids.

01:43:21.000 It's a moral good.

01:43:21.000 Yeah.

01:43:23.000 And one of my favorite stories in terms of the scientific debates is always about the great horse manure crisis of New York.

01:43:30.000 Are you familiar with this?

01:43:31.000 No.

01:43:32.000 Before the invention of the automobile, there was a great fear that as New York expanded and horses were used to move goods in and out, the city streets would be just covered in horse crap everywhere because, well, more city means more horses.

01:43:46.000 What would they do about it?

01:43:47.000 They never had an answer.

01:43:48.000 They never needed one.

01:43:50.000 The automobile was invented, and the horse was phased out, and it didn't occur.

01:43:54.000 So, what we need to make sure of... I'm scared of the left for one reason.

01:44:00.000 I love Star Trek.

01:44:01.000 I'd love to have a Star Trek future.

01:44:03.000 The left are Luddites.

01:44:04.000 They may claim to not be, but their worldview is inherently that we will never improve technology.

01:44:10.000 And we must stop what we're doing right now to preserve existence as it is, or revert to some lesser state, you know, like, more attuned with, um... I don't want to say attuned with nature, because it's the... you will own nothing and you will be happy, right?

01:44:24.000 They're very much like, climate change means we don't have these things.

01:44:28.000 But my worldview is very optimistic in terms of our ability to tap into technologies that have always found ways to help save humanity and adapt.

01:44:38.000 And I don't believe we've reached the apex of technology.

01:44:41.000 You know, the famous patent officer or whatever his name was back in the 1899, he was like, everything that can be invented has been invented. 0.99

01:44:47.000 He said that because he was getting such stupid patents. 0.98

01:44:50.000 He was like, this is insane. 1.00

01:44:52.000 You can't invent anything.

01:44:53.000 And then some dude walks out and goes, yo, Charged electromagnetic spectrum.

01:44:57.000 Boom! 0.99

01:44:58.000 What happens if we, like, in the next five years, break through Eureka?

01:45:02.000 Eureka!

01:45:03.000 Some dude at CERN runs out and throws the papers in the air and discovers anti-gravity.

01:45:07.000 Then all of a sudden we're colonizing every single planet we can find.

01:45:11.000 I don't know how long it was between electricity and the atomic bomb, but it really was not that long a period of time.

01:45:16.000 Bro, bro, bro, the discovery of the invention of flight and going to the moon was a few decades

01:45:22.000 You're more optimistic than I am. I I think the left is divided into categories

01:45:28.000 The type of leftist you're describing is not the leftist in charge.

01:45:32.000 The person in charge right now is embracing technological innovation and giving more and more power to a smaller group of scientists that know what they're doing.

01:45:41.000 Yeah.

01:45:42.000 It's interesting you mentioned the Luddites.

01:45:44.000 This is a hard argument to make, but there's a lot more nuance to the Luddites than actually people realize.

01:45:49.000 They had their livelihood being destroyed, and they were very worried about technological innovation.

01:45:53.000 We use that as a pejorative, and that's probably right. 1.00

01:45:56.000 But to be honest, I could see myself smashing my phone in the next five years.

01:45:59.000 I think that these little smooth screens are doing awful things for humanity.

01:46:03.000 So when I went on my honeymoon really quick with my wife in the Caribbean, The most beautiful sunsets you could imagine.

01:46:09.000 To my right was a whole family looking down at their screens at the moment of the sunset.

01:46:12.000 To my left was a family looking at their screens.

01:46:14.000 I thought to myself, there's something deeply unhealthy about this.

01:46:17.000 And so you could be right.

01:46:19.000 We might be entering into this wonderful phase of where technology will improve our life.

01:46:23.000 My fear, to just disagree a little bit, is that I think technology is currently controlling us.

01:46:30.000 And I don't see that going to change.

01:46:31.000 How extreme were the Luddites?

01:46:33.000 Like did they say no irrigation?

01:46:35.000 That's a good question.

01:46:36.000 I mean, again, I don't, I use, I actually read a book about that many years ago.

01:46:40.000 Um, Tim might actually know it better than me.

01:46:43.000 I wouldn't, I wouldn't know.

01:46:44.000 Cause like the technology controlling, it's like irrigation is a technology, but it, without it, it's a methodology, not a technology.

01:46:50.000 Well, it's also a form of tech.

01:46:52.000 It's a methodology.

01:46:52.000 I mean, an ax is a piece of technology.

01:46:54.000 It's a technology, but that's a, that's a physical object.

01:46:56.000 You can't, you can't irrigate without it's a, it's like the evolution of technology.

01:47:00.000 What you do with technology is also technology.

01:47:03.000 Sure.

01:47:04.000 So you need to build tools, which are technology, to carve dirt, which is a technology.

01:47:08.000 I mean, you can patent methods, right?

01:47:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:10.000 I think the danger of this new type of technology that we're coming into is I don't think we quite can understand what it does to the human being.

01:47:19.000 I, uh, we, we, we just, we mentioned it with Ben Stewart.

01:47:22.000 It is a bunch of humans who don't realize they're creating some powerful new kind of entity and we're mindlessly building it.

01:47:28.000 We're teaching it the reCAPTCHA stuff.

01:47:30.000 That's all just programming it to see and think.

01:47:32.000 We're building its components.

01:47:33.000 Skynet will take over and now let's go to Superchats.

01:47:36.000 Yes.

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01:48:16.000 But let's read some of these super chats.

01:48:17.000 So again, smash that like button.

01:48:18.000 Let's see what we got going on.

01:48:20.000 Have you seen it podcast says Tim love what you're doing for America and the culture war.

01:48:25.000 Did you guys see America the motion picture?

01:48:27.000 It is easily the most historically accurate portrayal of American history we've ever seen.

01:48:32.000 Unless it's Dinesh's, I think that may be what they're talking about. 1.00

01:48:38.000 I could be wrong.

01:48:39.000 You want to look it up?

01:48:40.000 I think it was Dinesh's from a couple years ago.

01:48:42.000 Maybe so.

01:48:44.000 All right.

01:48:45.000 Somebody just mentioned that Sebastian Lee says Cenk defended Zufilia.

01:48:50.000 He did.

01:48:51.000 It's an old video.

01:48:51.000 Really?

01:48:52.000 I don't know what his stance is now.

01:48:55.000 It could be out of context.

01:48:56.000 That's why I'm not... Like, the video on the drag kids, I watched the full thing to see what he had to say and what the context was.

01:49:02.000 But there's a video where he says something about legalizing acts where you are allowed to pleasure an animal.

01:49:09.000 I don't know the full context.

01:49:10.000 I want to go deep, but... Let's save it for when we turn the cameras off.

01:49:13.000 I don't want to go deep.

01:49:14.000 No, no.

01:49:15.000 Why?

01:49:15.000 No.

01:49:18.000 All right, let's see.

01:49:19.000 Mr. Hunt, first name Mike, says, Mr. Kirk, would you consider advocating for a new secessionist movement?

01:49:26.000 It's my personal opinion.

01:49:27.000 That's the only way to save America.

01:49:29.000 We can't keep complaining.

01:49:30.000 We need action.

01:49:32.000 Get this question a lot.

01:49:33.000 We just did a whole podcast on this if anyone wants to check it out.

01:49:36.000 I think we're already living through a secession movement.

01:49:38.000 I call it slow motion secession where people are already disconnecting themselves from the land or the region that they were in and they're not looking back.

01:49:47.000 They have smashed the rearview mirror and they say to New York City, San Francisco, LA, Chicago, you don't represent me anymore.

01:49:53.000 And we haven't seen this level of movement of people, this dramatic, in a very long time.

01:49:59.000 It reminds me of the 1850s where people feel as if they're not living in the same country as their fellow countrymen.

01:50:05.000 I feel that way when I go to New York City or I go to Los Angeles.

01:50:09.000 Would I advocate for it?

01:50:10.000 No.

01:50:10.000 This is something that, again, a lot of the journalists, they get way too hyper-aggressive when you ever mention the secession word.

01:50:16.000 When in reality, it's the other side, I think, that's seceding from us.

01:50:20.000 They're the ones that are saying that our documents are invalid, the Constitution has no sort of implication, that our flag is terrible and racist.

01:50:28.000 And so, no, I would not advocate for it.

01:50:31.000 There is no good way to pull that off.

01:50:33.000 But I think we're already living through that in almost slow motion.

01:50:37.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, we're not, the federal government of 2021 is very different than the federal government of 1860 in terms of its size and its power and its ability.

01:50:45.000 I mean, we forget that the southern states literally walked into federal armories and just took all the guns.

01:50:49.000 That's not something that would be able to, yeah, you could do now.

01:50:53.000 That said, yeah, I think, I mean, you look at something like California decided to stop funding state travel to like 17 states or something like that.

01:51:01.000 They're definitely more inclined to it.

01:51:02.000 I always joke about how we just need to strip California of its electoral votes, and that would solve most of our problems.

01:51:07.000 There you go.

01:51:08.000 All right, Hondo says, Blackstone purchased CCG Certified Collectibles Group, which included CGC for graded comics.

01:51:15.000 First they come for your homes, then your comics.

01:51:18.000 Or maybe they're trying to control culture, because comic books have long influenced young men.

01:51:24.000 Superheroes, the morals of the hero, Batman and Superman, I will not kill no matter what.

01:51:28.000 We were talking, I think, yeah, a couple days ago about Blackstone and how they're taking control of the DNA.

01:51:33.000 They're buying up like 20, 23, or one of the... Is it Blackstone or Blackrock?

01:51:37.000 This is very confusing to me.

01:51:39.000 It used to be, I think Blackrock was the first company.

01:51:41.000 Then in the 80s or something, one of the guys split off and started Blackstone with some Blackrock's money.

01:51:47.000 They're two different companies.

01:51:49.000 One is run by Steve Schwartzman, the other one is run by, I don't know.

01:51:52.000 So I just found out Blackstone bought the parent company of Bumble, the dating app.

01:51:56.000 Oh yeah, Whitney Wolf started that. 1.00

01:51:57.000 They got your DNA and they got your dating?

01:51:59.000 Is that what it is?

01:52:00.000 Hey, that's great.

01:52:00.000 Apparently.

01:52:02.000 The bigger problem here, the libertarians will love this, even though I'm libertarian on almost nothing, is all the cheap dollars floating around.

01:52:10.000 It only hyper-incentivizes these massive firms to do merger and acquisitions that they otherwise would not be compelled to do.

01:52:16.000 It's almost like they're like fallacious acquisitions because it's like funny money.

01:52:21.000 They're using fake money.

01:52:24.000 And so it's because of our relaxed interest rate policies and the creation of dollar bills that have no such backing and value that basically these funds are then entrusted with these pension fund dollars.

01:52:24.000 That's correct.

01:52:36.000 And they say, well, what do we do with this?

01:52:38.000 I don't think that they should have the sort of magnanimous type power that they have.

01:52:42.000 You know, I could see, as we revolted from the British for taxation without representation, that this mass printing of money could be considered a form of taxation, and that it's not representing the people.

01:52:52.000 It's giving it to Blackstone.

01:52:53.000 It is.

01:52:53.000 Yeah.

01:52:53.000 Yes.

01:52:54.000 That's exactly what we talk about, like, every night.

01:52:56.000 That's what they do.

01:52:57.000 Especially when Luke's here.

01:52:59.000 I mean, this is the one thing I would agree with Luke on, which is the monetary policy of our country is rigged specifically for the financial ruling class and to destroy middle-income Americans.

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:53:11.000 We got JD.

01:53:12.000 He says, Your video about China earlier today was very concerning.

01:53:15.000 My father and I frequently talk about how the CCP is our biggest threat.

01:53:18.000 We both feel it's only a matter of time until war breaks out.

01:53:21.000 You may have seen the reporting that's come out.

01:53:24.000 119 estimated nuclear missile silos being constructed.

01:53:27.000 Satellite research found China was doing this.

01:53:29.000 And China has begun sending troops to the border with India and India has been responding in kind.

01:53:35.000 So the Chinese state media is saying that the U.S.

01:53:37.000 is provoking India and China into a conflict so that they could be potentially weakened and then war would break out.

01:53:43.000 And yeah, maybe.

01:53:44.000 Maybe it's all propaganda.

01:53:44.000 I don't know.

01:53:46.000 Have you heard the Falun Gong?

01:53:46.000 I don't know.

01:53:48.000 Aren't they like Northeast Indian and up in the Himalayas and the Chinese were eradicating them or something in the like 20 years they've been doing it? 0.99

01:53:56.000 Yeah, they don't they want to eliminate any ideologies opposed or at odds with the CCP.

01:54:00.000 It's not the Chinese. 1.00

01:54:01.000 Yeah, it's the CCP.

01:54:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:02.000 Right.

01:54:03.000 Trent Lamolino says, I want to say I do like Will, but loathe lawyers.

01:54:09.000 Well, I'm glad to be the exception of the rule.

01:54:10.000 There you go.

01:54:11.000 I agree.

01:54:12.000 I like Will and I do not like lawyers.

01:54:14.000 Fair enough.

01:54:15.000 Sweet Lou says, Charlie Kirk, the man that keeps me level-headed and counter Tim's blackpilling.

01:54:20.000 JK.

01:54:21.000 I've been waiting for this visit to happen. 0.99

01:54:23.000 Ian, I love you, but you're crazy, man. 0.98

01:54:24.000 That is true. 0.96

01:54:25.000 Thanks, Charlie.

01:54:27.000 This is provable.

01:54:28.000 All right.

01:54:30.000 Wait, what is it?

01:54:31.000 Oh no.

01:54:32.000 Alright, Dr. Chocolate says, my little brother is majoring in journalism at UNC and I'm concerned

01:54:32.000 Concerned.

01:54:37.000 he might be indoctrinated by Nicole Hanna Jones.

01:54:40.000 Now that she has tenure, he already leans pretty left.

01:54:43.000 How can I help prevent that?

01:54:48.000 Yeah.

01:54:48.000 I mean, look, I, I'm one of the more outspoken critics of the college cartel.

01:54:53.000 I didn't go to college.

01:54:54.000 Um, and I encourage people to do that if they can, meaning not going to college.

01:54:58.000 And so how do you, how do you, I mean, why, why are you starting?

01:55:02.000 Studying journalism would be a good place to start.

01:55:05.000 That's the biggest scam.

01:55:06.000 Go find stories.

01:55:07.000 And I mean, journalism in its purest sense, which, you know, very well is just challenging powerful people.

01:55:13.000 That's basically what it is.

01:55:14.000 I would say its most rudimentary is collecting and disseminating information.

01:55:18.000 Challenging no one, to be honest.

01:55:19.000 Yeah, I mean, sure.

01:55:21.000 I guess, what's the difference between journalism and communication?

01:55:25.000 True journalism, I think, is seeking and trying to reveal and trying to go places where other people wouldn't.

01:55:32.000 And in its purest form, we don't have journalism because the titans that run our country are basically unchallenged by the media.

01:55:39.000 Sorry, one thing.

01:55:40.000 You said something, we need to put these journalists out of business.

01:55:43.000 Well, instead of buying yachts and airplanes, billionaires buy newspapers.

01:55:47.000 And that's the new trend.

01:55:49.000 I would say continue to have empathy for your brother and listen to him, and he'll continue to have respect for you, and then you'll be able to work things out.

01:55:56.000 You'll be friends in the future.

01:55:57.000 Don't blow up your family over apologies.

01:55:57.000 That's true.

01:55:58.000 Yeah.

01:55:59.000 Journalism is public intelligence gathering.

01:56:01.000 That's what it's supposed to be.

01:56:02.000 It's supposed to be that a journalist works in the intelligence sector.

01:56:05.000 They collect, they find secrets, they communicate with sources, and then they give it to the public.

01:56:10.000 So the public can better know what to do with their lives.

01:56:13.000 You then have private intelligence, which does the same thing, but then sells it to the highest bidder.

01:56:16.000 There's many private intelligence firms.

01:56:17.000 There's also public intelligence firms in the sense that they're like government regulated and secret.

01:56:22.000 But journalism is basically like, I learn a secret about evil corporations and military actions.

01:56:27.000 I bestow it to the people to do what they will with it.

01:56:29.000 Private intelligence organizations.

01:56:33.000 I think Stratfor is one of them.

01:56:35.000 They collect information and then sell it to wealthy individuals who can then make moves in the stock market and international investments before anyone realizes what's happening.

01:56:43.000 Do you consider what Snowden did journalism?

01:56:45.000 No.

01:56:46.000 Snowden did not review the documents that he was leaking.

01:56:49.000 That's right.

01:56:50.000 He didn't know what a lot of them were.

01:56:52.000 And I'm very critical of that.

01:56:53.000 Uh, there's a difference between a whistleblower and a leaker.

01:56:55.000 So, he did whistleblow in a certain sense.

01:56:57.000 He knew that there were some things in the NSA stuff that needed to be released.

01:57:00.000 But he ultimately just took a bunch of random stuff and dumped it.

01:57:03.000 And that's leaking.

01:57:04.000 Kind of.

01:57:04.000 I mean, but you think, like, he went to... He didn't just dump it on the internet, like, purely like Assange.

01:57:08.000 He went to Greenwald.

01:57:10.000 Still leaking.

01:57:11.000 But he's sort of relying on Greenwald's journalism to vet.

01:57:16.000 And then it went to the Guardian, the New York Times, and a bunch of outlets.

01:57:19.000 But didn't he leak it outside of that?

01:57:21.000 I think he went to the story with Greenwald.

01:57:21.000 I could be wrong.

01:57:23.000 Some of it got leaked somehow, I'm not sure.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, I remember that there was a huge data dump in addition to the story.

01:57:29.000 There was, uh, I think for the most part all of the documents haven't even been released as of yet, but I will say there was one instance where there was a huge, uh, one of the documents wasn't redacted properly, and, uh, this created serious problems and concerns, and Snowden didn't review the documents.

01:57:45.000 He just trusted that the journalists would do the right thing, I guess, and that's leaking, not whistleblowing.

01:57:50.000 As years have gone by, I've grown in admiration for the broader point he made.

01:57:54.000 I think he made a lot of mistakes.

01:57:56.000 In my opinion, I'm not a huge fan of being a permanent asylum seeker.

01:58:04.000 I think that there's a moral claim to say, owning up to the actions you do.

01:58:09.000 I could see it both ways.

01:58:10.000 But the only reason we believe Tucker Carlson's monologue the other night is because Edward Snowden.

01:58:14.000 That's true.

01:58:14.000 It was the only reason Tucker was taken seriously.

01:58:16.000 And James Clapper was never prosecuted for lying under oath about exactly what Snowden revealed.

01:58:22.000 That's exactly right.

01:58:24.000 I'm not sympathetic to any claim to prosecute Snowden in a world where Clapper walks free.

01:58:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:58:30.000 Alright, we got one for you, Charlie.

01:58:31.000 Yuvon says, Charlie seems to have changed his stance on stamping green cards to diplomas since 2019.

01:58:36.000 Why is that?

01:58:38.000 Boy, if people are never allowed to clarify.

01:58:41.000 You know, it's been interesting throughout the last couple years really diving deep into Russell Kirk and what it means to be a conservative.

01:58:50.000 And in the issue of immigration in particular, and I've called for a total moratorium of immigration into the country. 0.98

01:58:58.000 The predominant orthodoxy in conservative circles in like 13, 14, 15, and 16 was more people the better, like kind of this neoliberal belief.

01:59:10.000 And obviously in the last 18 months, we've seen the extremes of mass immigration through economic terms and cultural terms.

01:59:20.000 I also think it's a very important thing that we can say that people in public life can grow on certain issues and then say, hey, you know, I've actually dived deeper into certain literature and I've seen the kind of consequences and ramifications of this, and I think that there is this, like, inflexibility amongst some critics where they're like, well, Charlie, you held a belief that was different.

01:59:40.000 Like, well, correct.

01:59:41.000 I'm happy to explain how that happened.

01:59:43.000 And I will also finally complete the point that look how much the world has changed in the last two years, right?

01:59:49.000 Circumstances have changed beyond anything we could have ever imagined.

01:59:53.000 Also, just one point.

01:59:54.000 How old are you, Charlie?

01:59:55.000 27.

01:59:55.000 Right, okay.

01:59:55.000 So, do you hold the same beliefs?

01:59:59.000 Like, I'm 35.

02:00:00.000 I know the beliefs I held when I was eight years ago are nothing even close to what I have right now.

02:00:03.000 Bro, like three years ago I was like, I think there's some reasonable gun control we can act if we have a rational conversation.

02:00:09.000 And then now, two weeks ago, I'm outside with my Barrett M82, firing 50 BMG at a steel target.

02:00:14.000 People change, you know? 0.98

02:00:16.000 And you should be able to admit when you say something that was stupid, and like, I didn't probably think that through as much as I should have. 0.98

02:00:20.000 What was it exactly? 0.97

02:00:21.000 You thought green card, if someone gets their degree, like a foreigner gets their degree in the United States, that they should not get a green card?

02:00:27.000 No, so it was kind of this belief, it was an overly idealistic belief that mass immigration is nothing but a net positive for the country, right?

02:00:38.000 And it was this idea that we're going to be able to win the argument through American prosperity and economic growth at all costs, right?

02:00:46.000 We're not fully being able to grasp and see the totality of, hey, what about an American college graduate that goes to Caltech and graduates with $60,000 in debt?

02:00:57.000 Why should he be disenfranchised for a person from India who's willing to come do that job for half as much?

02:01:03.000 And again, that quote is not an incorrect quote.

02:01:06.000 I said it.

02:01:07.000 It's taken a little bit out of context, but I'll own up to it because I think that's important.

02:01:11.000 But in the totality of kind of the idea of immigration, we need to come from this perspective of what is immigration and is it good for your nation, right?

02:01:21.000 And if it doesn't serve the betterment of our fellow countrymen, first and foremost, then we should reconsider our immigration policies altogether.

02:01:29.000 I love the old video from Ben Shapiro where he says if the waters are rising you can just sell your home or whatever.

02:01:35.000 I think it was a really long time ago.

02:01:37.000 It was dumb, but then that H-Bomber guy made a really funny video where you see a wall and you hear grunting, and then he breaks through the wall with a sledgehammer and he's like, just one simple problem, Ben. 0.67

02:01:48.000 Sell the houses to who? 0.95

02:01:49.000 Effing Aquaman!

02:01:51.000 Actually, a funny video.

02:01:52.000 I think part of Ben's success, especially, is that he's able to roll with the memes and it doesn't affect him.

02:01:58.000 He laughs about it, you know?

02:01:59.000 Ben Shapiro destroys with logic and facts or whatever.

02:02:02.000 There's one recently that they're memeing on where he said something about why doesn't the left just ban crime? 1.00

02:02:09.000 And they're acting like he was stupid for saying it. 1.00

02:02:11.000 But they're stupid for not understanding his point. 1.00

02:02:13.000 They're like, we're gonna ban guns. 1.00

02:02:15.000 Okay, well that doesn't stop the fact that criminals have guns and are committing crimes in the first place.

02:02:20.000 How does adding more crimes to the crime- the people who are already willing- willing to commit crimes change anything?

02:02:25.000 Anyway, let's read some more Super Chats.

02:02:27.000 Keith McCracken says, Hey Tim, I love when you talk about the comforts of air conditioning.

02:02:30.000 I'm sorry, of conditioning air.

02:02:32.000 I was convinced by a family friend to go to trade school for HVAC, and it's a trade I'm not seeing Millennials in. 1.00

02:02:37.000 Fun fact, refrigerant is compound, is compound that I able to be condensed and turn into vapor continuously.

02:02:45.000 Is able.

02:02:46.000 Is able.

02:02:46.000 To be condensed.

02:02:47.000 Is a compound that is able to be condensed.

02:02:49.000 We got geothermal heating and cooling in this house.

02:02:52.000 Good stuff.

02:02:53.000 It's extremely cost-effective, it's extremely cheaper to use, and you don't run into any situation where during a heatwave your AC can't handle it and it gets hot in your house no matter what you do.

02:03:02.000 Nah, it runs that heat straight underground, baby. 0.99

02:03:04.000 It's great.

02:03:05.000 It's, you know, getting rid of that heat.

02:03:08.000 All right!

02:03:09.000 Um, let's see, what do we got here?

02:03:11.000 We'll find some, um...

02:03:13.000 John S. says, I'm a full member now because you had Candace on, but now I'm just throwing money at you because you have Charlie on.

02:03:19.000 But seriously, love all you guys and gals.

02:03:21.000 Love to listen to everyone's opinion.

02:03:22.000 Ian and Lids, even it all out.

02:03:25.000 Awesome.

02:03:25.000 Wonderful.

02:03:26.000 Thank you.

02:03:27.000 Oh, hey, man.

02:03:27.000 I'm a gorilla.

02:03:29.000 I'm a gorilla, says.

02:03:30.000 Charlie is the man.

02:03:30.000 Oh, snap.

02:03:31.000 Keep fighting the good fight, Tim.

02:03:33.000 And you are kind of getting conservative.

02:03:34.000 It's OK.

02:03:35.000 I went the same way.

02:03:36.000 No, I think I've always been fairly moderate.

02:03:38.000 I will say I've been getting more libertarian.

02:03:40.000 And I love it.

02:03:41.000 The conservatives don't like when I say this, but my political compass is actually further left and libertarian than it's ever been.

02:03:46.000 Yeah.

02:03:47.000 Yeah, it's mostly just more libertarian.

02:03:49.000 Just so you know, in the hero arc of Tim Poole, you will eventually be liberal.

02:03:53.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:03:53.000 However, I will predict that, yes, Tim Poole will maybe in 10 years be conservative.

02:03:58.000 You guys will have become far right, been banned, and then I will be the furthest right thing that exists.

02:03:58.000 You know why?

02:04:04.000 The Overton window will have moved so significantly.

02:04:07.000 Yeah, I mean, look at, um, my- my opinions on, say, like, segregated schools and graduation ceremonies has never changed.

02:04:13.000 In 2014, I made a video, I think it was 2014 on YouTube, maybe it was 2015, where I'm like, why are they doing separated graduation ceremonies for people on- based on race?

02:04:20.000 That's a bad thing.

02:04:21.000 They called me a left- they called me a liberal back then.

02:04:24.000 They called me liberal when I said that.

02:04:26.000 Two years later, I was a centrist.

02:04:28.000 Two years later, the media is calling me right-wing.

02:04:31.000 It's interesting, I'm thinking about the pendulum swinging, you know, the Overton window, where the... If you're on the pendulum as it swings, then everything on the right's gonna get further to the right, further to the right.

02:04:39.000 But if you're out of the system watching the pendulum swing back and forth, it becomes much more apparent what's going on.

02:04:46.000 I think we have a libertarian critique here.

02:04:48.000 Brocages over Hokages says, Will and Charlie are the reason I can't support conservatives.

02:04:53.000 They support increasing power of the state, which they are ignorant that their enemies will use the law they made on them.

02:05:00.000 You go first, Will.

02:05:01.000 Sure.

02:05:02.000 Are they not already using the law against us?

02:05:05.000 Right?

02:05:05.000 Like, let's start, there's a what we'd call in debate a uniqueness problem here, right?

02:05:10.000 Currently, liberals use the power of social media and work with it in a private-public partnership to censor us.

02:05:16.000 And then the second answer is there's a sort of nihilism there, which is the idea that one can't draw up a law, or one can't rely on court's interpretations of things to work the way you want to.

02:05:25.000 Like, I always hear this argument with big tech censorship.

02:05:27.000 It's like, well, if you pass a law, then the liberals will just use that law against you.

02:05:31.000 I'm like, well, no, they won't, because there's a First Amendment in play, and a pile of First Amendment cases that say the government's not allowed to use force to restrict speech.

02:05:40.000 So if we pass a law that says, no, private companies have to be available for speech, they can't deplatform anyone, that doesn't suddenly reverse 50 years of First Amendment case law that says the government can't censor you.

02:05:54.000 And I also think a couple things on this idea of libertarianism.

02:05:57.000 This is not 1812 or 1814, right?

02:06:01.000 I mean, we are lacking of a massive citizenry that has the capacity to self-govern with virtue.

02:06:07.000 Which is always a characteristic of a small-r republican-style libertarian world, which is people's ability to have restraints on themselves.

02:06:16.000 Do I want the state to intervene?

02:06:18.000 Well, what I want and what I'm calling for are two completely different things.

02:06:22.000 I would love to have to.

02:06:24.000 We have very little government.

02:06:26.000 We have the ability to police ourselves.

02:06:28.000 It's just way out of what we're actually living through.

02:06:31.000 That's number one.

02:06:32.000 Number two, from this idea of tyranny.

02:06:36.000 Well, we're living under corporate tyranny.

02:06:39.000 So go pick which government you want to live under.

02:06:40.000 The government of Menlo Park or the government of Washington, D.C.?

02:06:44.000 And so the government of Menlo Park is really scary.

02:06:47.000 The government of Washington, D.C.

02:06:48.000 is really scary.

02:06:49.000 I'd deal with the government of Washington, D.C.

02:06:51.000 in a second.

02:06:52.000 You know why?

02:06:52.000 At least I have due process.

02:06:54.000 At least I have 10 amendments to the United States Constitution.

02:06:56.000 That gives me some form of a fighting chance.

02:06:59.000 When the governor of Menlo Park comes after me, I have no rights to redress or grievance due process.

02:07:09.000 Gemcast says, Tim, you keep saying history is written by the victors, but isn't that no different than there's no truth but power?

02:07:15.000 But is it true with online archives and decentralized clips on phones?

02:07:19.000 The idea that there is no truth but power is kind of this... I would consider it to be a defeatist statement, but it's an idea where someone recognizes there's no point in trying to be honest if you can just beat someone in submission.

02:07:33.000 History as written by the victors is very similar.

02:07:35.000 If a war is won, they write the things about their ideology that they prefer.

02:07:38.000 However, objective reality exists.

02:07:41.000 2 plus 2 does equal 4.

02:07:43.000 But if you are, say, a Cardassian gull, and you kidnap a Federation starship captain, and you show him 4 lights, but insist he say there are 5 lights, now, perhaps this one captain might eventually break and say there are 5 lights because he's being beaten in a submission.

02:08:01.000 But you may actually find that a principled individual will stand up to any amount of torture to tell you the objective reality, there are four lights.

02:08:09.000 And so, I mean, look, A is A, right?

02:08:11.000 And so if we can't get back to the very simple law of identity, then we're never going to be able to govern ourselves, which kind of goes back to the point I opened up this conversation with, which truly is the tension point between the two camps that want to dominate America.

02:08:25.000 of whether or not you have objective capacity to have reason and standards and morals or is it all just a sliding scale of things that are constantly changing around you and kind of this mixed recipe of subjectivity.

02:08:39.000 That's really what we're living through.

02:08:41.000 All right, Joey says, is that Master Sword made of metal?

02:08:45.000 It is indeed a metal Master Sword.

02:08:48.000 However, the hilt is plastic, unfortunately.

02:08:52.000 Looks like something out of Kill Bill.

02:08:53.000 I think if you hit a piece of wood with that, the blade would go flying out.

02:08:56.000 I love that I had a sword behind me the whole time, I didn't even know.

02:08:58.000 Yeah, yeah, it's plastic.

02:08:59.000 It's like a katana.

02:09:00.000 We need to reforge an actual, like, steel or wooden... You heard him, if there are any metallurgists out there that want to create the Master Sword for Tim, Now's the time.

02:09:10.000 Hayden says, in John Adams letter to his wife, Abigail, he mentioned that the odds didn't look good, but that they all believed God was on their side and they will win that July 4th will be, uh, uh, they will win that July 4th will be commented in pomp and circumstance and parade.

02:09:10.000 All right.

02:09:26.000 Also, Cesar Rodney is the reason it passed.

02:09:29.000 John Adams was a great president and he had a great son who was our sixth president and he was an abolitionist.

02:09:34.000 He was terrific.

02:09:35.000 Very good.

02:09:36.000 Momo Mac McDowell says, Tim, you say you're not a conservative, but you want to conserve things like the Constitution, voter rights, and free speech, also the Second Amendment.

02:09:36.000 All right.

02:09:44.000 So how are you not a conservative?

02:09:46.000 Because liberal and conservative don't mean the literal terms that people come to represent them, use them to represent.

02:09:53.000 Conservatives today are very, very different from conservatives 10 years ago.

02:09:57.000 So you're conservative, but you're not a conservative.

02:10:00.000 No, I actually think I'm fairly liberal.

02:10:00.000 Yeah.

02:10:03.000 Just because there are some things you want to conserve doesn't mean you are a conservative.

02:10:06.000 What are you liberal on, I'm curious?

02:10:08.000 Taxes.

02:10:09.000 I mean, maybe it's more populist, because we had this conversation with Bannon.

02:10:12.000 I don't like the idea of taxing to just give to the government.

02:10:15.000 There is an ethical and moral conundrum there.

02:10:17.000 But I do think we need to curtail the power of the ultra-elites, the billionaires.

02:10:21.000 I agree with that, totally.

02:10:23.000 So I think there's a lot of overlap with conservatives and liberals.

02:10:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:10:26.000 However, I think if I were to be considered conservative today, it would only be because conservatives moved left.

02:10:33.000 Again, we're all kind of talking about a different description of the continuum, though, right?

02:10:38.000 Like, left from what and right from what?

02:10:40.000 Liberal is a better term than left and right.

02:10:43.000 I'm just curious, truly, what else would you consider yourself to be liberal on?

02:10:49.000 Like, in terms of, like, leftist policy?

02:10:52.000 Just probably... Sure.

02:10:55.000 Universal health care.

02:10:56.000 That's an easy one.

02:10:58.000 Progressive taxes and higher taxes for wealthier elites.

02:11:03.000 I will absolutely say, though, one of the biggest challenges is technological advancement, which makes a lot of these arguments moot.

02:11:09.000 For instance, taxing the wealthy makes no sense at all when we have international fiat-based economies and cryptocurrencies where you can't even track their money anyway.

02:11:19.000 So then it just becomes, we're not arguing about anything.

02:11:21.000 Taxing the rich doesn't actually solve anything at this point for technological reasons, not for moral reasons.

02:11:26.000 So in terms of my personal ideology, I don't like the idea of any millionaire or billionaire, left or right, taking over the public space, shoving people out.

02:11:36.000 I agree.

02:11:37.000 We, I mean, we totally agree.

02:11:38.000 I think, in general, the right has got a real crash course in the last few years about how corporate power can be oppressive.

02:11:43.000 Absolutely.

02:11:44.000 So that, that, that, that, my, my, my, I guess my main point is my, my worldview is very, very similar to where it was even 10 years ago, but I think you guys have changed.

02:11:53.000 I'd actually, I mean, I'd agree with that.

02:11:54.000 I think I'm a very different thinker than I was 10 years ago.

02:11:58.000 It's like Kane said, right?

02:11:58.000 But you know what?

02:11:59.000 When the facts change, do you change your mind?

02:12:02.000 The thing that I think I've got, I've gotten more socially conservative though, for sure.

02:12:06.000 How so?

02:12:08.000 Well, I think there was a libertarian streak of kind of like, oh, let people do what they want to do, where I think now I'm much more about that if we don't have order and if we do not have some form of an agreed-upon way to proceed as human beings, then you're not just going to have social chaos, you'll have economic chaos and cultural chaos that will ensue.

02:12:34.000 So I think if we were to break down, and liberal and conservative typically mean left or right or tribal.

02:12:40.000 Sure.

02:12:40.000 Some kind of tribal signifier.

02:12:43.000 I've always viewed myself as a social liberal, where there's a belief that government plays a role in certain... What's the right way to put it?

02:12:52.000 Class-based issues, for instance.

02:12:53.000 I like social programs.

02:12:54.000 I like the idea of welfare, to a certain degree.

02:12:58.000 The problems I have with these are that when these systems are put in place and exploited by, say, the Democrats, They don't ever fix or resolve them or actually create programs that should help and resolve the issue.

02:13:09.000 They create programs that create sustainable power bases for themselves.

02:13:12.000 To put it simply, if your society has an ailment, there's a way the public can come together and implement some kind of collective good or social program.

02:13:20.000 The left, in its current iteration, tends to just slap more and more Band-Aids over the wound so it festers and gets worse.

02:13:26.000 And then you end up with bloated, broken programs that create more homelessness, more problems.

02:13:29.000 They don't actually solve anything.

02:13:31.000 I see a big part of this problem is that we're not agreeing on definitions.

02:13:35.000 Or, not we, but just people in general having a hard time.

02:13:37.000 Like, if you're liberal, are you a-liberal?

02:13:41.000 Are you conservative?

02:13:43.000 Are you a-conservative?

02:13:44.000 That's what I just said.

02:13:46.000 And I think, like, using the government to mandate freeing the software code of large social networks is very liberal.

02:13:52.000 Because you're taking liberties with the law in a fast, drastic way.

02:13:56.000 But people would be like, well, that's big government.

02:13:58.000 That's conservative.

02:13:59.000 I'm like, what?

02:14:00.000 That would be like you saying the government should go into someone's house, take all their money, and give it to people.

02:14:04.000 Uh, no.

02:14:05.000 It would be like if one corporation had all the money, it would be like, use the government to go to that corporation and take all that money back.

02:14:11.000 Yeah, that's authoritarian.

02:14:13.000 I know!

02:14:13.000 I think what we're getting at though is the ends, right?

02:14:16.000 Which is that the reason these terms mean less and less is all of us kind of want the same end point.

02:14:22.000 Whereas the opposition, they want a different endpoint.

02:14:25.000 I think everyone around this table would love to see flourishing families and an increased birth rate and less social ailments.

02:14:32.000 And we're willing to explore unique and non-ideological ideas to get there.

02:14:36.000 I just think, and it's a point I made in a video earlier, there's an article about young Republicans who are in favor of having a climate change caucus.

02:14:45.000 I read that article.

02:14:46.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 I mean, conservatives 10 years ago were like, climate change is bunk nonsense.

02:14:52.000 10 years ago, the conservatives were saying no gay marriage.

02:14:55.000 So perhaps you could call me conservative today, but it's only because the right is moving left.

02:15:01.000 Yeah, again, to take your definitions, there's some truth.

02:15:04.000 I would say, though, that the conservative movement, though, is more pro-life and more firm about their pro-life position than at any other time, and is getting less indifferent towards Drag Queen Story Hour, for example.

02:15:20.000 I would say one thing, too.

02:15:20.000 Right, right.

02:15:23.000 I consider myself to be centrist for the most part.

02:15:26.000 Center left a little bit.

02:15:27.000 I've got some, obviously, more conservative positions.

02:15:30.000 But the big challenge.

02:15:33.000 My growing up, pro-choice, the definition of pro-choice in my household is only a little bit to the left of the definition of pro-life for most conservatives.

02:15:42.000 The left today is pro-abortion.

02:15:43.000 It's dramatically different from where it was when I was growing up.

02:15:46.000 I grew up in Chicago.

02:15:47.000 Democrat stronghold.

02:15:49.000 Absolutely.

02:15:51.000 Surrounded by Democrats.

02:15:52.000 We always voted Democrat.

02:15:53.000 We always supported Democrats.

02:15:54.000 Safe, legal, rare.

02:15:56.000 My family would always say, you know, it's a horrible thing, but sometimes you just don't want the state involved, and people have to make hard, difficult choices, so we need to make sure there's some leeway.

02:16:05.000 Today it's, you know, Lena Dunham saying she wished she had an abortion.

02:16:08.000 It's Michelle Wolf or whatever, Fox, what's her name?

02:16:11.000 Coming out and yelling everyone get abortions, and I'm like, Yep. 0.66

02:16:13.000 Phil Labonte made a great point saying if there's one, I'm paraphrasing,

02:16:17.000 said if there's one issue that's gonna make all these libertarians pro-life,

02:16:21.000 it's these leftists and their pro-abortion stance.

02:16:24.000 And so that's the thing, right?

02:16:26.000 The way I've always explained it is, where I stand on the political compass,

02:16:30.000 I look to my right and what do I see?

02:16:32.000 I see a Mr. Will Chamberlain sitting right there and we agree on most things with some, you know, certain ideological differences that we mostly shrug and say, well, I disagree.

02:16:40.000 I think you're wrong on that one.

02:16:41.000 I look to my left and I squint a little bit and I see the Democrats and they're like burning down buildings and I'm like, what are they doing?

02:16:49.000 So who am I supposed to stand next to?

02:16:51.000 This is a big issue that I think resulted in a lot of people supporting Trump who the Democrats are deplorable.

02:16:55.000 I mean, talk to Jack Murphy about it. 0.93

02:16:57.000 You've got a lot of people who are like, They went crazy!

02:17:00.000 Will you guys help me?

02:17:02.000 You get the disaffected liberals.

02:17:02.000 So there you go.

02:17:04.000 You get people like the intellectual dark web.

02:17:06.000 Most importantly though, I think the biggest issues facing us in the culture war are deep, deep questions about authoritarianism, and the establishment, and the manipulation of currencies, and the people, and populism versus elitism.

02:17:20.000 Which means that you will find tons of people being either establishment or anti-establishment.

02:17:25.000 So I love watching the establishment left. They're so pro-corporate, they're so pro-government, they're so pro-FBI.

02:17:31.000 Pro-vaccine.

02:17:32.000 They're pro-everything the machine does, and then they act like they're the victims of the conservatives who have no

02:17:39.000 institutional power.

02:17:40.000 Also, they think they're the rebels.

02:17:41.000 It's weird.

02:17:42.000 They're Vader's.

02:17:43.000 They're so conformist and yet they think they're Luke Skywalker.

02:17:48.000 They're peddling Pfizer and Moderna and Johnson and Johnson.

02:17:50.000 Don't you hate those companies?

02:17:52.000 There's a great meme where it's from Occupy Wall Street where they're down with Big Pharma and they reject the pharmaceutical companies and now they're marching around with tattoos of which company they're supporting.

02:18:06.000 Let's read a little bit more of these Super Jets, however.

02:18:08.000 Oh, Michael Hiller says, awesome 4th of July segment.

02:18:12.000 Yes!

02:18:12.000 That is a good point, talking about the declaration and all that stuff.

02:18:15.000 It would be really, really great.

02:18:16.000 We got a ton of super chats, but we're running short on time.

02:18:19.000 Thank you all.

02:18:20.000 Bearded Ape says, slavery ended in Texas on June 19th, 1865.

02:18:24.000 Slavery didn't end in Kentucky until December 18th, 1865.

02:18:28.000 Delaware never acknowledged or ratified the 13th until February 12th, 1901.

02:18:32.000 Juneteenth is not the end of slavery in America. 0.63

02:18:35.000 It is only the end of slavery in Texas.

02:18:36.000 That's right.

02:18:37.000 Interesting.

02:18:38.000 It used to be just a Texas holiday.

02:18:39.000 And it wasn't the beginning of the end either.

02:18:41.000 The first state to do it was Vermont in 1777.

02:18:43.000 Yeah.

02:18:47.000 All right.

02:18:49.000 Black Czar says, This may have been said, but the DNC are running attack ads against Sinema in AZ now.

02:18:55.000 And here is a bold claim.

02:18:57.000 If she survives this, expect her to run as a centrist candidate on the D ticket in 2028, a testament to the lurch leftward of the party.

02:19:06.000 Democrats have just gone nuts.

02:19:09.000 She's really, I mean, we spend a lot of time in Arizona. 0.95

02:19:11.000 Our offices are in Arizona.

02:19:12.000 She's super popular in Arizona. 1.00

02:19:14.000 And she has my, she has my vocal support.

02:19:16.000 I mean, she's nuttier than a fruitcake, but I mean, she's really something.

02:19:20.000 But the fact she's holding the line on the filibuster, God bless Kyrsten Sinema for that.

02:19:24.000 We're lucky.

02:19:25.000 We should, we, if a more disciplined Democratic Party would have really wrecked us and more unified rather.

02:19:31.000 That's great.

02:19:31.000 I mean, I would be very happy with some principled, moderate Democrat politicians, but I'll tell you why I won't vote for them.

02:19:38.000 Fool me once, shame on you.

02:19:39.000 Fool me twice.

02:19:41.000 Look what happened in 2018. 0.92

02:19:42.000 The Democrats that campaigned on, we're going to get you the healthcare, we're going to get you the kitchen table issues, we're not going to play this culture war garbage.

02:19:49.000 Oh, they won 31 districts.

02:19:50.000 And you know what the first thing they did was?

02:19:52.000 They got on their knees and kissed Nancy Pelosi's pinky ring and went impeachment all the way.

02:19:57.000 And so all these people who are like, look, Not all Democrats have gone crazy.

02:20:01.000 We're here for your health insurance and your union, your job.

02:20:04.000 We got you. 0.79

02:20:05.000 And then a bunch of people are like, finally, because the Democrats are going nuts.

02:20:08.000 And then they turn around, got on their knee, kiss the pinky ring and said,

02:20:10.000 no, we're just going to do culture war stuff.

02:20:11.000 We don't like Trump.

02:20:12.000 That's why a lot of them ended up losing.

02:20:14.000 The Republicans started storming in in 2020, smashing defeat in Congress for the Democrats.

02:20:20.000 2022 is probably going to be... I mean, you know what the craziest thing about the congressional victories in 2020?

02:20:24.000 There were safe blue districts that turned red.

02:20:27.000 In Miami.

02:20:27.000 That's right.

02:20:29.000 Elvira Salazar beat Donna Shalala right in downtown Miami. 1.00

02:20:33.000 That was insane.

02:20:33.000 Yep.

02:20:35.000 It's like an urban center.

02:20:37.000 It's a D plus six district.

02:20:38.000 And Elvira won by three points.

02:20:40.000 That's insane.

02:20:41.000 And it was funny because you looked at the polling and they were like, these are lean Democrat, all red.

02:20:46.000 Nate Silver was wrong about everything.

02:20:48.000 And he's so pompous about how he does polling.

02:20:50.000 Every poll he did was wrong.

02:20:52.000 The Washington Post poll two weeks before the election had Trump losing Florida by 12.

02:20:57.000 He won by 400,000 votes.

02:21:01.000 In the age of misinformation that people would still believe polls.

02:21:05.000 What's to stop someone from lying on a poll?

02:21:07.000 They are suppression polls, is what they are.

02:21:10.000 What is that?

02:21:11.000 It's a tactic used by someone who wants to try to get an action out of the population based on what the result is.

02:21:17.000 So they'll say, you have no hope.

02:21:18.000 Precisely.

02:21:19.000 Suppression pull. 0.97

02:21:20.000 All right.

02:21:20.000 Yeah.

02:21:21.000 This one seems to be important.

02:21:21.000 We'll read a couple more.

02:21:23.000 Rex Schaefer says, Tim, shout out for my fiancée, Christina St. 0.99

02:21:26.000 Martin.

02:21:26.000 She is in need of a kidney type O or B for a direct match or paired match of anyone willing to get tested.

02:21:34.000 We have a page started on Facebook, Chrissy's Kidney.

02:21:37.000 First one at four years old in 1989.

02:21:39.000 Transplant at Mayo Clinic.

02:21:41.000 Sorry to hear, man.

02:21:41.000 I hope you get through this and you guys figure it out.

02:21:45.000 Type O or type B?

02:21:46.000 Type O or type B. Cool.

02:21:48.000 You got it, Christina.

02:21:48.000 Let's see what we can do.

02:21:50.000 Alright, let's see.

02:21:51.000 We'll do a couple more because we're going a little late, but it's Friday and, you know, I don't want to... Justin Justin says the Triforce on that Master Sword looks wrong.

02:21:58.000 Yeah.

02:21:59.000 What?

02:21:59.000 It's like it's incomplete.

02:22:00.000 Well, it's a Triforce and a hilt.

02:22:02.000 It's got a thing around it.

02:22:04.000 It's got a thing.

02:22:05.000 Okay.

02:22:05.000 Yeah.

02:22:06.000 It looks kind of like the Star of David, but not complete.

02:22:09.000 Is that true?

02:22:09.000 No, it doesn't look like Star of David.

02:22:11.000 John Rann says, Tim, can you stop throwing around the word punk?

02:22:15.000 It's a music lover's genre and you can't name any real bands.

02:22:19.000 You're not into it.

02:22:20.000 Please stop.

02:22:20.000 Not real punk.

02:22:21.000 Damn punks! 1.00

02:22:22.000 They ruined punk rock! 1.00

02:22:24.000 Thanks groundskeeper Willie, um, I don't know.

02:22:28.000 Yeah black flag.

02:22:28.000 I grew up with my friends playing black flag Andy flag the virus Oh, man, it's been so long.

02:22:35.000 I mean, I guess the Ramones but there was also like Bad religion was. 1.00

02:22:40.000 Yeah, but come on.

02:22:41.000 That's where you start getting into the weird poppy stuff with, like, bad religion.

02:22:46.000 Offspring.

02:22:48.000 It's been too long for me.

02:22:49.000 Yeah, no, we used to listen to real punk rock. 1.00

02:22:50.000 I had skin-tight black jeans and hung out with a bunch of morons who went around vandalizing and spray-painting stupid. 1.00

02:22:55.000 That sounds pretty punk to me. 1.00

02:22:55.000 And then I was like, when they were instigating fights, I was like, I don't want to be involved with these people. 1.00

02:22:59.000 They're, like, violent and crazy.

02:23:01.000 And very much those people became Antifa for sure.

02:23:03.000 What part of Chicago are you up in?

02:23:04.000 Midway.

02:23:05.000 You're Midway Airport?

02:23:06.000 Yeah.

02:23:07.000 Oh, wow.

02:23:07.000 Okay, that's real Chicago.

02:23:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:09.000 Suburbs of Chicago.

02:23:10.000 Which one?

02:23:11.000 Wheeling, Arlington Heights area.

02:23:12.000 Oh, hey, Wheeling, Arlington Heights.

02:23:14.000 I know a bunch of people up there.

02:23:16.000 Yep, south side, southwest side.

02:23:18.000 All right, we'll do one more here.

02:23:21.000 Sparky says Eisenhower sent regular army, not National Guard, to Little Rock, Arkansas in the 50s.

02:23:26.000 George Wallace was Alabama.

02:23:27.000 He was in the 1960s.

02:23:29.000 I stand corrected.

02:23:31.000 All right.

02:23:32.000 We'll do one more.

02:23:32.000 Mick Dundee says, anyone remember the breaking of the Southwestern Bell Monopoly?

02:23:37.000 Pepperidge Farm does.

02:23:38.000 Did that make like Ameritech or something?

02:23:40.000 Yeah, it was not.

02:23:42.000 There's a lot of nuance to that, but it didn't happen perfectly.

02:23:45.000 Right on.

02:23:46.000 I lied.

02:23:47.000 We're going to do one more.

02:23:48.000 No ID says free the code!

02:23:50.000 All right, there it is.

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Timcast IRL - Cenk Uygur Says Conservatives Are LOSING The Culture War w-Charlie Kirk

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