Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Censor Proof FreedomPhone Sparks Establishment PANIC w-Erik Finman

00:00:00.000 A bunch of Republicans criticized Joe Biden saying that he was acting like Fidel Castro

00:00:17.000 or something to that effect because of the censorship that the Biden administration is

00:00:21.000 admittedly engaging in.

00:00:23.000 A few things.

00:00:23.000 One, that they're going to be engaging phone companies to censor private text messages.

00:00:28.000 And the other is that they are actually themselves flagging things on Facebook to be removed by Facebook, which is government censorship.

00:00:37.000 Well, recently, news broke about something called the Freedom Phone.

00:00:40.000 This is the uncensorable phone, and somehow, the media lost, or for some reason, I should say, they absolutely lost their minds.

00:00:49.000 Now, it could just be this is the grift, right?

00:00:52.000 The Daily Beast comes out and says, this phone is a cheap Chinese knockoff, and it's like, do you know that, or are you just speculating?

00:00:59.000 And then all of a sudden these copycat articles emerge criticizing the phone with none of these people ever having tested it and no real argument against it except it's made in China. 0.93

00:01:09.000 All right, well, things should be made in China, I guess.

00:01:11.000 We'll criticize things made in China. 1.00

00:01:13.000 But does that mean the phone is bad?

00:01:15.000 I don't know.

00:01:15.000 I've not used the phone.

00:01:17.000 How weird is it?

00:01:19.000 And this is something that always freaks me out.

00:01:21.000 When a narrative emerges that is definitive when no one's actually done any legwork on the journalism.

00:01:28.000 Nothing.

00:01:29.000 Nothing at all.

00:01:30.000 What does the phone do?

00:01:32.000 Why does it cost so much?

00:01:33.000 Were any of these questions answered?

00:01:35.000 But sure enough, I can Google it and find, like, 50 articles claiming, avoid it, don't buy it, it's bad news.

00:01:35.000 No.

00:01:42.000 And then to see the weirdest thing, people on the right joining in, calling it a scam, and I'm like, dude, none of you guys have actually done any analysis on this device.

00:01:52.000 Isn't that weird that everyone just immediately jumps out in total alignment?

00:01:57.000 Maybe it's a garbage phone.

00:01:59.000 I don't know.

00:01:59.000 How about we get one and we actually start testing it to see if it actually does what it's supposed to do.

00:02:04.000 So we're going to talk about that.

00:02:05.000 We're going to talk about censorship and probably a bunch of other culture war stuff, but we're being joined by the Freedom Phone guy himself, Eric Finman.

00:02:11.000 Hi, thank you.

00:02:12.000 Yeah, we'll go over all the stories and everything like that.

00:02:15.000 Do you want to just briefly introduce yourself?

00:02:17.000 Yeah, so I'm Eric Finman, and I guess my background before this phone project was in the Bitcoin world.

00:02:24.000 The claim to fame, people annoyingly refer to me as the youngest Bitcoin millionaire.

00:02:30.000 And then yeah, I mean, the media was all nice to me when it was just that, and then suddenly I did something that was very pro-free speech, and then without ever holding the phone in their hands.

00:02:42.000 They just wrote all these hit pieces and all that, and it was a total smear, but yet they all liked me before this.

00:02:48.000 Gizmodo called it a black box that should be avoided at all costs, and I'm like, how did they make that assessment without actually having the phone to do any tests on it?

00:02:56.000 Exactly, and Gizmodo, they never reached out asking for a phone, and I mean, it's terrible, and these people, they don't know anything, and you see Gawker, who used to run Gizmodo, We'll get into this.

00:03:07.000 just such a smear piece.

00:03:09.000 And then you see these tech publications and people think, oh, well, the tech publications,

00:03:14.000 they must be credible.

00:03:15.000 But these are just total anti-free speech journalists that just work everywhere.

00:03:21.000 We'll get into this.

00:03:22.000 We got Ian Jones.

00:03:23.000 Well, hello, everyone.

00:03:25.000 Yeah, man, I'm glad you're here.

00:03:26.000 We've been working on the Fediverse, you know, a bunch of developers and we're talking about mesh networking and the future of internet and how it might be nodal and delocalized.

00:03:35.000 So I'm excited to maybe even integrate that into the Freedom Phone in the future.

00:03:39.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:40.000 I mean, we have plans to make this so that way, you know, literally it comes with the phone that it's capable of being able to do mesh networking in the future and all that because that's so needed in the sense of having a decentralized internet because that's my biggest fear is if they somehow are able to prevent us from communicating freely anywhere on the internet, I mean, we're screwed.

00:04:02.000 Right on.

00:04:02.000 We got Lydia pressing the buttons.

00:04:03.000 I am increasingly uncomfortable with all the monitoring that's being done of normal people, especially in light of like the January 6th interviews and I'm looking at social media companies and everything.

00:04:12.000 So I'm really excited to have this conversation about the Freedom Phone.

00:04:15.000 We'll kind of break it down.

00:04:15.000 We'll see what it's all about.

00:04:16.000 Stoked.

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00:04:49.000 We're going to be a big conversation.

00:04:50.000 It's Friday night, you know how it goes.

00:04:51.000 And we're going to talk about this here Freedom Phone.

00:04:54.000 Let's do this.

00:04:55.000 Let's talk about this story that comes from the Daily Beast, from the internationally renowned technologist, technical expert, and expert on the far, far, far, far, far, far right, Will Sommer.

00:05:06.000 I'm kidding.

00:05:07.000 He's none of those things.

00:05:09.000 MAGA World's Freedom Phone, actually budget Chinese phone.

00:05:14.000 MAGA influencers are pushing a phone preloaded with apps like Parler and Rumble that appears to be a vastly more expensive version of a phone made in China.

00:05:23.000 The first thing I'm gonna say to this... Well, actually, the first thing I should say is, Will Summers is a political activist.

00:05:28.000 Like, I don't take anything he says seriously, and I don't understand why there are people on the right, people who oppose censorship, who are like, well, Will Summers of all people said it.

00:05:37.000 Will Summers published false information in the past.

00:05:41.000 And yeah, I'll just leave it at that.

00:05:43.000 The dude is not an honest actor. 0.50

00:05:45.000 So why should I care if he's making some ridiculous argument in an article that's clearly an opinion but not labeled opinion? 0.67

00:05:51.000 Because this dude is just trying to probably grift.

00:05:54.000 Now the thing about the Daily Beast is they smear anybody and everything that's to the right of Stalin.

00:05:59.000 So for some reason this article comes out, and that's it.

00:06:02.000 Now I've even got people in the chat right now saying it's a cheap Chinese knockoff.

00:06:05.000 Have you tested the phone?

00:06:06.000 Do you know anything about it?

00:06:08.000 I don't, so I'm not going to make that assessment.

00:06:10.000 But I can say a few things right off the bat.

00:06:13.000 First, they say it's a knockoff of a cheap Chinese phone.

00:06:16.000 Well, obviously, we're sitting here with Eric, but I'll just say this before we get into it, and I'll ask.

00:06:20.000 Let me just say, this is the way I described it on my main channel.

00:06:25.000 First of all, I get it.

00:06:25.000 I haven't tested the phone.

00:06:26.000 We want to do a forensic analysis and go through it.

00:06:28.000 But if someone was selling a Chinese canvas, and it was $5, You could buy it and order it off Amazon.

00:06:36.000 And then if Ian painted me a beautiful picture of a lighthouse on a canvas, I would not expect to pay the same price for it.

00:06:43.000 If someone takes a phone that costs a hundred bucks and then puts a custom operating system on it and preloaded software and provides the service and then charges more, that's just called free enterprise?

00:06:55.000 It's called business?

00:06:56.000 How is that a negative?

00:06:58.000 And it's made in China?

00:06:59.000 What isn't made in China?

00:07:01.000 So these aren't arguments against the Freedom Phone.

00:07:03.000 There certainly are questions and concerns.

00:07:05.000 But we'll start with this.

00:07:08.000 Is it a cheap Chinese knockoff of the Umidigi A9 Pro?

00:07:11.000 Absolutely not.

00:07:12.000 We customize the phone itself, so that way, you know, it's...

00:07:18.000 So that way it was quality.

00:07:19.000 We looked at the supply chain of the phone, of all the parts that come from it, just making sure everything's secure, everything's safe.

00:07:26.000 But no, I mean, it's not.

00:07:28.000 And then two, in addition to just it being a custom phone, we did our own custom operating system on it too.

00:07:35.000 Is it made in China?

00:07:36.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, is you can't make phones in the United States, which is terrible.

00:07:43.000 I mean, even Motorola, they put $3 billion into opening up a factory back in the day for making smartphones.

00:07:52.000 But didn't you tweet that it wasn't made in mainland China?

00:07:55.000 Yeah, yeah, it's in Hong Kong.

00:07:57.000 Oh, OK.

00:07:57.000 It's out of Hong Kong.

00:07:58.000 But unfortunately, that's China now. 0.96

00:07:59.000 No, yeah, exactly.

00:08:00.000 When we feel like that was our best option, and I have family out in Hong Kong and everything.

00:08:05.000 But yeah, I mean, you still get that.

00:08:07.000 I mean, we get parts from Taiwan as well, but then yet they still call that China and all that.

00:08:15.000 So I mean, it's just China.

00:08:17.000 It's a special economic zone.

00:08:18.000 Exactly.

00:08:19.000 It's made by Umidigi. 0.87

00:08:21.000 We get some of our stuff from Umidigi and all that stuff.

00:08:27.000 But yeah, we partnered with them.

00:08:31.000 Basically, we have a design lab in the United States.

00:08:34.000 So that way we can... So I'll go through in the beginning of the process.

00:08:39.000 So we actually wanted to create like a blockchain-based phone.

00:08:41.000 Which, you know, a little bit marketing there.

00:08:42.000 But my background is crypto and that was the original thinking.

00:08:46.000 So, me and my design lab, which is here in the U.S., we were like, how do we do a phone?

00:08:50.000 There's template designs of a phone that we can look at.

00:08:52.000 There's other phones we wanted to look at and see what can we take the best of everything.

00:08:57.000 And then, yeah, we ended up putting something together and we tried finding manufacturers in the U.S.

00:09:02.000 to do it, but it was literally impossible.

00:09:05.000 To find manufacturers in the u.s.. Like it's just you know because of terrible political choices made

00:09:11.000 You just can't make a phone in the u.s.. And you need like 10 billion to Apple

00:09:16.000 They have hundreds of billions of dollars, and they don't choose to do it. They could probably figure out that much

00:09:19.000 money Well, let's try and get as technical as possible. Yeah

00:09:23.000 Who manufactures the phone in Hong Kong?

00:09:24.000 What company?

00:09:25.000 Umidigi.

00:09:26.000 And then we get another factory as well, because, I mean, not to sound marketing, but we did have high demand, so now we have another factory as well, so that way we're manufacturing stuff out of there.

00:09:36.000 But they're both Umidigi?

00:09:37.000 One is Umidigi, one's another one.

00:09:39.000 What is that one?

00:09:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:09:40.000 Uh, that one, I mean, they just have a long, you know, Hong Kong name and all that, but, uh, they're, they're just basically to carry the demand on that, that overflows.

00:09:49.000 But yeah, we partnered with, uh, well, can you say what company it is?

00:09:52.000 Uh, no, I mean, I, I, well, I could, but I don't, uh, I don't remember their name or I do remember their name in my head.

00:09:59.000 I can see it, but it's the, it's like a very, it's a very Asian Chinese. 0.95

00:10:02.000 That could be important.

00:10:03.000 I mean, what if it's like a unknown company that works with the CCP or something?

00:10:06.000 Uh, they don't.

00:10:07.000 And we looked into that.

00:10:08.000 So.

00:10:08.000 Well.

00:10:09.000 And Phil, I guess don't take my word for it.

00:10:11.000 Yeah, we can't.

00:10:12.000 I mean, Umidigi is one thing I can be like, Oh, okay.

00:10:14.000 It's a company that makes phones, but now there's like this mystery other company.

00:10:16.000 We don't know what it is.

00:10:17.000 Yeah, I mean, they're just an overflow factory that does production and all that, and we talked with them, we looked at what they do, and they have no connections to the CCP or anything.

00:10:26.000 Well, that's tough.

00:10:26.000 How are people supposed to trust the phone now if you can't even say where it's made?

00:10:29.000 Well, I mean, it's made in Hong Kong and all that, but... By who?

00:10:33.000 By who?

00:10:34.000 I mean, Umidigi, and then, yeah, I mean, they're just a group of people that do, you know, increase production.

00:10:40.000 The other company?

00:10:41.000 Yeah, and then we have representatives out in Hong Kong.

00:10:44.000 You can look at the name of the company and all that stuff.

00:10:47.000 I'll put it on our website right after this, no worries.

00:10:50.000 On our spec sheet, we're going to be adding sourcing of where we get every single part from.

00:10:56.000 Right on.

00:10:57.000 And just to clarify, Apple and Google also make their phones in China, right?

00:11:01.000 Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's the real stories.

00:11:03.000 And in my opinion, I think Apple chooses not to make their phones in the United States because, you know, unfortunately, I don't have billions of dollars.

00:11:11.000 Like Motorola, they tried doing it with $3 billion and they couldn't do it back in the day.

00:11:17.000 And like, I think they were doing that with the Moto X, etc.

00:11:20.000 And, you know, Apple, they have tens of billions of dollars.

00:11:26.000 I think it was, there was a former president that asked Apple to actually make phones in

00:11:29.000 the U.S. because they, you know, it would be like a $30 billion endeavor, in my opinion,

00:11:36.000 and they choose not to.

00:11:37.000 So that's, I feel like, the real story of these companies is they choose not to make

00:11:42.000 And when you're an upstart and you don't have tens of billions of dollars to be able to set up whole new, brand new factories in the United States, you're screwed.

00:11:53.000 So one of the other things they mention in the Daily Beast article is that there's no specs, but you immediately just put the specs on the website.

00:11:58.000 Yeah, the specs are on the website and you can look at them and everything.

00:12:01.000 What's the website?

00:12:02.000 Freedomphone.com.

00:12:02.000 Freedomphone?

00:12:03.000 So feel free to look in the specs and everything.

00:12:06.000 I looked at the specs.

00:12:06.000 Yeah.

00:12:07.000 I'm kind of just like, okay, like their specs.

00:12:09.000 I don't, I don't, I don't understand.

00:12:10.000 I suppose the argument is if people didn't know the specs, they didn't know what they were buying.

00:12:15.000 But I find that also kind of weird.

00:12:17.000 Cause I'm like, most people don't know what any of this stuff means.

00:12:20.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 Like, you know, uh, F8 megapixels are 13 plus two plus two MP.

00:12:25.000 Like most people are going to be like, Oh yeah.

00:12:27.000 They're going to look at that.

00:12:27.000 They're not what they're talking about.

00:12:28.000 What is that?

00:12:29.000 R 13 plus two plus two.

00:12:30.000 Arthur, so that's R13, so that's like a front-facing camera versus and rear-facing camera.

00:12:36.000 So the F is front, R is rear-facing.

00:12:38.000 And then plus two means that there's two cameras?

00:12:40.000 Plus two and there's multiple cameras on the back.

00:12:42.000 What do the multiple cameras do?

00:12:43.000 What are they for?

00:12:44.000 I mean you know just I feel these days because you need phones that work with augmented reality that takes usually multiple cameras and then yeah I mean be able to have like depth in your photos I mean multiple cameras just all help with that so I mean zoom in zoom out yeah exactly so just being able to match the phone you know being able to match phones of today with something good and quality I couldn't help but notice there's no 5G though.

00:13:06.000 There's no 5G?

00:13:07.000 Yeah, I mean 5G is just like, like real genuine 5G is just in like a few blocks and a few cities and all that.

00:13:14.000 So, and we, we started on this phone like a year ago.

00:13:17.000 You guys were explaining to me before the show that 5G phones are different than the 5 gigahertz network.

00:13:22.000 Yes, yes.

00:13:22.000 That has confused me for years.

00:13:24.000 I had no idea until tonight.

00:13:26.000 So here's the craziest thing to me is the amount of smear pieces that have popped up.

00:13:31.000 And right away, I'm just like, that's a red flag. 0.93

00:13:35.000 It's like when new phones come out from Google or from whoever else, Huawei, someone will be like, this phone sucks.

00:13:40.000 Someone will be like, well, you know, there's the pros and the cons.

00:13:43.000 I've seen so many tech reviews and I've seen so many devices.

00:13:45.000 To see all of these companies, all these news outlets, every single one, line up in lockstep with the advice not to buy the phone.

00:13:53.000 I was like, now that I find very strange considering they've never tested the phone and there's really no issue to be upset with it.

00:14:00.000 If the phone doesn't do what it says, it's a phone.

00:14:03.000 I've developed a few apps myself with one of my business partners.

00:14:03.000 Whatever.

00:14:09.000 I've done a ton of work in mobile, hacking phones and hacking other devices, making programs,

00:14:13.000 and I've probably owned like a thousand different smartphones throughout the production stuff we've

00:14:18.000 done. There's so many different kinds. And what people got to realize too, when you travel,

00:14:23.000 and this is back in the day, they use different frequencies for all the cell antennas.

00:14:27.000 So when I would go to, like, Turkey, the specific frequency, I'd have to check to make sure certain devices worked with certain phones.

00:14:33.000 GSM typically worked in most places, so getting a GSM phone would be okay.

00:14:36.000 But, like, Ukraine was actually CDMA, so I'd have to go and buy a new phone.

00:14:40.000 And they got phones that you can buy from Samsung in Eastern Europe, you can't buy in the United States.

00:14:44.000 And they're cheap.

00:14:45.000 And anyway, I'm just like, okay, so it's a phone.

00:14:47.000 If somebody wants to buy it because it's got OAN on it, or Parler, or Newsmax, or whatever, what's the problem?

00:14:53.000 Now it could be that all of these news outlets are simply just, hey, here's an other.

00:14:59.000 Let's smear them because we'll get clicks.

00:15:01.000 Their audience expects to hate Trump.

00:15:03.000 They called you MAGA world.

00:15:05.000 They're trying to put you in that category simply for, you know, the kinds of sites or apps that are put on the phone.

00:15:11.000 So maybe it's just a grift.

00:15:13.000 They all decided it's fair game and they can attack you, and you're not going to do anything about it.

00:15:16.000 And you know what?

00:15:17.000 Hey, the reality is, I think most people, James O'Keefe is probably the only person who actually does sue for defamation and go after people.

00:15:23.000 Bloomberg also.

00:15:24.000 And who?

00:15:25.000 Bloomberg.

00:15:26.000 Bloomberg?

00:15:26.000 Michael Bloomberg, yeah.

00:15:27.000 He sues for defamation a lot.

00:15:29.000 But I mean, I'm talking about the right.

00:15:30.000 James O'Keefe's like the only one who does it.

00:15:32.000 Okay, to be fair, Candace Owens, we'll maybe talk about that in a bit, just had her suit dismissed. 1.00

00:15:37.000 But very few people try, and one of the most annoying things is whenever I've dealt with defamation, the advice I usually get from people on the right is, just ignore it, blah blah blah, because you know, and I'm like, why?

00:15:48.000 Just sue and make your argument, make a better argument, improve your arguments, and find the vector in which you can go after people who are lying.

00:15:55.000 But anyway, I digress.

00:15:57.000 I want to tell everybody why I think the first and most important reason I think Freedom Phone could actually be very, very good, very, very important, and why the establishment is probably coming after you so hard.

00:16:11.000 First, let me say, I have not tested the device.

00:16:15.000 I have not done a forensic analysis on it.

00:16:17.000 I would like to get some of our tech experts to crack it open, go through it, hardware and software, and see if it can actually do what we think it can do.

00:16:23.000 That's no problem at all.

00:16:24.000 There are some concerns about whether or not there will be some Chinese spyware perhaps because, you know, it's made in China or whatever.

00:16:29.000 Maybe there's concerns that there's data leakage in some capacity that it's spying on you.

00:16:33.000 Some people are saying it's a honeypot.

00:16:35.000 That the feds are funding this to get all of the patriots to use the phone and they can track everything you do, and I'm like, they do that through Google and Apple.

00:16:42.000 They're called national security letters.

00:16:43.000 If you're worried about your phone being spied on, you are literally in the NSA database with your existing phone.

00:16:48.000 They can't get any worse, they're already spying on you.

00:16:51.000 But here's the thing.

00:16:52.000 Why are all these outlets freaking out?

00:16:55.000 Anti-censorship as a service. 0.99

00:16:57.000 So when Daily Beast comes out and says, this is a cheap device, it's garbage.

00:17:00.000 When Gizmodo says it should be avoided at all costs, I'm like, what are they really freaking out about?

00:17:06.000 Most people cannot get an Android device, jailbreak it, and flash it with whatever, you know, boot up whatever operating system they want.

00:17:16.000 I'm seeing a bunch of people on Twitter and they were like, you could just put Graphene OS on it.

00:17:20.000 So for those that are not familiar with this, you know, maybe I don't wanna get too jargony.

00:17:23.000 Phones come with the Android operating system.

00:17:25.000 Android phones do.

00:17:26.000 Then usually there's some, like, skin or bloatware that a company will put into it.

00:17:30.000 So, like, Samsung has their specific version.

00:17:33.000 You can actually plug it in, hook it up to your computer, erase that, and put a fresh, new, clean operating system.

00:17:40.000 And many activists and hackers have created anti-censorship, and they've created, you know, free speech and anti-tracking, and even, like, even operating systems that erase themselves at a certain period of time.

00:17:52.000 They've created these things to enhance individual rights and security.

00:17:57.000 I would say 99.9% of people would never figure out how to do that.

00:18:02.000 I know people like, sure, you can pull up a YouTube tutorial like, here's how you make your phone secure and sensor-free.

00:18:09.000 All of a sudden, you pop up and you're like, just buy this, it's done.

00:18:12.000 So where is that money?

00:18:14.000 So they try claiming that it's a cheap knockoff.

00:18:17.000 Okay, well, you've got a custom operating system on it.

00:18:20.000 Even if it just loaded up a sensor-free store, that'd be worth it.

00:18:24.000 An app store that has apps on it that Google and Apple don't like.

00:18:28.000 So if you want to choose Zoom, you can.

00:18:31.000 The reason I think this is so dangerous is that it gives the opportunity, assuming it works, again, like I said, I didn't try it, I'm not endorsing it, I'm just saying, the concept.

00:18:39.000 The average person who cannot make a device can just buy one and have it.

00:18:43.000 And assuming it does what you claim it does, this is really, really dangerous for the establishment that wants to track people.

00:18:50.000 They don't want you to shut down. 0.99

00:18:51.000 We already know we got the stupid Amazon robot spying on us. 1.00

00:18:54.000 We already know that the smartphones have their microphones on. 1.00

00:18:58.000 We know that the NSA is incidentally collecting all this information.

00:19:03.000 I shouldn't even say incidentally.

00:19:04.000 Glenn Greenwald exposed XKeyscore and the things they're doing with bulk data collection.

00:19:09.000 So, if you can buy a device that's not connected to those networks, you're still going to get spied on very likely through just general cell networks, where your phone is, what it's connected to.

00:19:18.000 Let me tell you guys something.

00:19:20.000 I got an alert on my phone, and it said, you know, Maryland tracking.

00:19:25.000 How do they know that my phone's in Maryland?

00:19:29.000 Because, listen.

00:19:30.000 Of course they know where my phone is, right?

00:19:33.000 But what gives them the right to share it and act upon it?

00:19:36.000 And that's where it gets really weird.

00:19:38.000 My phone number is a New York City number.

00:19:40.000 My primary residence is not Maryland.

00:19:44.000 I am in Maryland.

00:19:45.000 My phone alerts and says Maryland information on COVID and tracking and all that stuff.

00:19:50.000 And that means that the cell company has given my data to the Maryland government.

00:19:55.000 Or, at the very least, the cell company is acting upon my data at the behest of a government program.

00:20:01.000 Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.

00:20:03.000 I never consented to them alerting my phone based on location in that capacity.

00:20:07.000 But you know what?

00:20:08.000 Amber Alerts, presidential text messages, they know where you are, they're tracking you all the time.

00:20:12.000 If regular people can get access to a device that adds even 1% or 0.1% to their privacy and their free speech, that's going to be a real threat to the machine which is trying to eliminate this ideology, classical liberalism, the right, whatever.

00:20:27.000 If they are slowly eroding free speech, banning people on Twitter, banning people on Facebook, banning people on YouTube, and then all of a sudden someone can just pay money and get a device that immediately puts a halt to that operation, what are they going to do?

00:20:41.000 Send a bunch of muggers to go steal your phone?

00:20:43.000 They can't do that.

00:20:44.000 So you look at what YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook are doing with banning hate speech, promising to do more, to clean up and end the rabbit holes, and then all of a sudden you get a phone and you can talk to whoever you want.

00:20:55.000 So like I said, we'll have to actually, you know, before I actually say it, it's a good device.

00:20:59.000 I'll get you phones and you can tear it apart, rip it apart.

00:21:02.000 Oh, but we're not going to take the phones from you.

00:21:02.000 We've tested it, so go on.

00:21:04.000 Oh, well, get them.

00:21:05.000 So what our plan is... No bias then, get them.

00:21:08.000 Right.

00:21:09.000 So once you ship the phones, we will reach out to people and randomly select phones for testing.

00:21:13.000 Do it.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, that's perfect.

00:21:14.000 Oh yeah, perfect.

00:21:15.000 Not through you, because look, if I went to you, you'd be like, oh, here's the phone, and then we'd be like, it's perfect, it's great.

00:21:19.000 Potemkin phones.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:23.000 No, randomly get some and all that, happy to put it to the test.

00:21:27.000 But anyway.

00:21:28.000 When we're hearing what the Biden administration is doing with censorship.

00:21:31.000 Mm-hmm. With the text messages and you know like yeah I mean seeing an article come out like right

00:21:36.000 before we launched our phone about how they're pressuring phone companies to like get you know

00:21:42.000 prevent the spread of misinformation in your text messages.

00:21:45.000 I mean it's sick. I mean that you know if you're texting your mom or your father your daughter

00:21:51.000 your son I mean it's terrible like what they're doing. Could you imagine if you were talking on the

00:21:55.000 phone to your mom and then you said something and it just cut the phone off.

00:21:58.000 Yeah, like Twitter, you get a label for misinformation, right?

00:22:01.000 I mean, it's maybe you get that in text message, you know, maybe you get like a amber alert while you're on the phone or something.

00:22:06.000 Your personal phone number, you're talking to your mother on the phone, and they blockade you from being able to communicate.

00:22:13.000 That's insane.

00:22:14.000 At least they had the decency to lie before and say they weren't monitoring you.

00:22:19.000 Or at least the decency to say it was for your safety.

00:22:21.000 But now it's just so blatant.

00:22:23.000 We've made the argument for a long time that social media networks should operate like phones.

00:22:27.000 And we would use that point as an example as to how shocking it would be should they actually do that.

00:22:33.000 We'd be like, you know, Twitter should be like a common carrier.

00:22:36.000 Like, they shouldn't be censoring what I say.

00:22:38.000 Could you imagine if you texted your mom and your tweet, your text got deleted?

00:22:41.000 I mean, that'd be crazy!

00:22:42.000 And now we're here and they're doing it.

00:22:44.000 Or at least there's rumors it's happening, but they've stated they are doing it.

00:22:48.000 Well, from the White House, the press secretary's podium, I mean, that they're saying they're doing it.

00:22:53.000 Or they want to do it.

00:22:55.000 They said that they're working in conjunction with the DNC and phone companies to, what do they say, meet out misinformation.

00:23:03.000 But there have been rumors from people saying that they've tried sending texts and the texts don't go through on certain issues.

00:23:09.000 That's something I can't confirm, but I don't know if I have to considering the White House says this is what they're doing, or at least that's their intention.

00:23:14.000 They're actively working in this direction.

00:23:17.000 And they said that they're actively flagging things for Facebook, in which case, it's happening, isn't it?

00:23:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:23.000 I mean, that's the thing, is the internet was the biggest weapon in the fight against just hoaxes, honestly.

00:23:35.000 And, you know, obviously it spreads some, but I think it's a net good because you're not able to do hoaxes like WMDs in Iraq anymore because of social media and because of the Internet.

00:23:47.000 Yeah, but they did Russia. 0.53

00:23:48.000 Yeah, they did.

00:23:50.000 I think you would have seen the poll numbers on people believing that way higher if you didn't have the Internet.

00:23:56.000 I don't know, I feel like it's in a sense easier and harder with the internet to do these large scale hoaxes, right?

00:24:03.000 They just make a fake video.

00:24:04.000 There was a video I covered years ago where some video footage got leaked and I think it was in Iraq.

00:24:10.000 There was a news report from, I think it was like CNN, the BBC.

00:24:14.000 And they were like, bomb blast goes off, people injured.

00:24:18.000 And then someone leaked footage where you see a car blow up and then a bunch of people run into frame, lay on the ground, and start writhing in pain.

00:24:25.000 Wow, wow.

00:24:26.000 So I don't know what that was.

00:24:28.000 You don't know who staged it.

00:24:29.000 For all we know, Russia could have staged that, claiming it was staged by someone else.

00:24:34.000 You see the point?

00:24:35.000 You never know who's trying to manipulate you.

00:24:37.000 A false, false flag.

00:24:38.000 Exactly.

00:24:39.000 A false flag, false flag.

00:24:41.000 You're making me nervous.

00:24:41.000 Oh snap.

00:24:45.000 I don't know where that video is from.

00:24:46.000 You know, you see, you see the car explode and you see people run up after the fact, lay down and act as though they were in the blast.

00:24:54.000 We don't know what it was from, but it does call into question the initial reporting because the reporting talked about the people who were there in the blast.

00:24:59.000 And then you see the blast and you're like, uh, well, at least that story is not true.

00:25:03.000 So why is it, why is it being pushed out?

00:25:06.000 I say it's easier and harder.

00:25:07.000 It's easier in a sense that you've got to do the hard work of making fake content, hiring people to run the sock puppet accounts, but then you have a substantially larger reach in terms of that kind of manipulation, you know?

00:25:21.000 I didn't even know what fiat currency was until 2007 when I saw Zeitgeist or 8 or whatever.

00:25:28.000 I went to school in the United States, grew up in the 90s and the 80s.

00:25:31.000 We've been on fiat currency since 1970, 71 or something.

00:25:35.000 I never even heard the phrase fiat currency.

00:25:38.000 I was never taught that, never explained that they can print as much as they want.

00:25:43.000 Until the Internet.

00:25:44.000 They found a way to tax you without you realizing it.

00:25:46.000 Yeah.

00:25:46.000 And if the Internet had not come around and opportunities like Zeitgeist had not been presented, I would still not know probably.

00:25:52.000 It's crazy.

00:25:53.000 Crazy.

00:25:55.000 Yep. 0.78

00:25:55.000 And now they're slowly taking those rights and those freedoms away. 0.78

00:25:59.000 I mean, look at the Internet where it was in the late 90s.

00:26:01.000 You could find wacky, crazy stuff.

00:26:03.000 Oh my gosh, bangedup.com.

00:26:05.000 I mean, you could probably still find that. 1.00

00:26:06.000 It was just dirt, dirty, dirty death porn. 1.00

00:26:09.000 No, no. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Yeah, but that's exactly the point.

00:26:12.000 I mean, the stuff you'd see on LiveLeak.

00:26:14.000 Yeah, LiveLeak.

00:26:16.000 And take a look at, like, torrenting, and take a look at, like, the height ten years ago.

00:26:19.000 Napster.

00:26:20.000 What happened with Kim.com, you remember that?

00:26:22.000 What went down with that?

00:26:22.000 What did happen?

00:26:23.000 He had, so let me break it down for you, what the wild west of the internet was.

00:26:27.000 Mega Upload was a file locker.

00:26:30.000 You'd set up an account, and then you'd say, I want to store my files here.

00:26:33.000 Just like Google.

00:26:35.000 If you're on Google Drive, you can upload a video, and look, it's your kids doing it, you're running around the yard or whatever.

00:26:40.000 And then you can share the link with your friends so they can download it.

00:26:42.000 It's an easy way for people to just all download something at once and be sending it to everybody.

00:26:46.000 Well, the problem was people started immediately using a mega upload to post movies and TV shows.

00:26:53.000 And it was just almost like, I think more than half of it was piracy.

00:26:56.000 A lot of people were using it, but piracy.

00:26:59.000 Well, Kim Dotcom, a New Zealand businessman who has never been to the US, had like, I guess US, I think it was the MPAA.

00:27:11.000 Motion Picture Association of America?

00:27:12.000 I could be wrong.

00:27:13.000 But, like, some American industries and the FBI, I think it was the FBI, and New Zealand authorities raid his home and arrest him in, like, the middle of the night or whatever.

00:27:21.000 He's this super rich guy and they claimed it was, like, piracy or whatever.

00:27:25.000 I interviewed Kim Dotcom for Vice and he made a really, really interesting point because I was, like, I was trying to challenge him, like, why wouldn't you take these things down?

00:27:33.000 Why weren't you deleting the movies when they were uploading piracy?

00:27:37.000 And he said, are we supposed to go into our users' accounts and spy on them?

00:27:41.000 Are we supposed to start reading through their filenames to see what they uploaded and why?

00:27:46.000 We did take them down.

00:27:47.000 He was like, when we would get sent links and say, this is piracy, we would delete them immediately.

00:27:50.000 But proactively?

00:27:52.000 That would mean someone would create an account and we'd have to go into their account.

00:27:57.000 Look at what they're uploading, and then even watch the video to make sure.

00:28:01.000 Because people can name videos whatever they want.

00:28:03.000 And then he was like, it's not something we could do, but we were actively telling them we will do it.

00:28:06.000 It didn't matter.

00:28:07.000 They came in, they shut it all down.

00:28:10.000 The point of the story is, 10 years ago, the internet was the Wild West.

00:28:14.000 Every movie, every show, you could watch anything anywhere.

00:28:17.000 And they've done a really good job.

00:28:20.000 Doing two things, shutting all that down, the piracy, and actually making it a lot easier to watch movies, to be completely honest.

00:28:25.000 I got no problem paying 10 bucks a month so I can get a big library of movies and I don't have to worry about viruses and garbage links.

00:28:30.000 And there have been times where it's like, I'd see a movie and someone would send me a link and I'd be like, oh cool, you know, Independence Day, and I'd click it, and then it would be some like weird rom-com, like wrongly labeled or something, and I'm like, this is dumb, I just wanna watch the movie.

00:28:42.000 So they created streaming services.

00:28:43.000 It was a great improvement, in my opinion.

00:28:45.000 But the point is, what happened with the end of the Wild West, How everything became more streamlined like channels?

00:28:51.000 We're seeing that happen now with social media as well.

00:28:54.000 I really don't like the term piracy when you talk about copying information, maybe illegally on the internet or whatever, but copying information because a pirate would steal your thing and then you wouldn't have it anymore.

00:29:05.000 A pirate didn't come and copy it down and then take a copy of it and leave you with your original.

00:29:11.000 Piracy is stealing.

00:29:12.000 Making a copy of something is different than that.

00:29:15.000 I disagree.

00:29:15.000 Oh, it's completely different than stealing.

00:29:18.000 I had friends who worked in the movie industry who were losing their jobs.

00:29:22.000 Because they would spend like, you know, a couple hundred grand on doing like a low budget feature, and then it would immediately get pirated.

00:29:30.000 And then they'd be like, guys, we turned zero profit.

00:29:31.000 We can't do this anymore.

00:29:32.000 Sorry.

00:29:32.000 I know people in the trucking industry, they're losing their job.

00:29:35.000 Modern technology's altered the way we communicate.

00:29:37.000 It's not piracy.

00:29:38.000 That's the point.

00:29:39.000 I disagree.

00:29:40.000 You can't redefine piracy to make people look like villains and make it seem like they're stealing when they're making a copy of something.

00:29:46.000 It's different.

00:29:48.000 But I think they are stealing.

00:29:50.000 You could argue that because of copyright law, but that didn't exist until, like, 1600 or something.

00:29:55.000 Well, piracy happened after that, too.

00:29:58.000 Piracy's been happening for a long time before that.

00:30:01.000 I was never of the opinion that people should be allowed to just copy any bit of information they wanted in the sense that, like, you don't need to give someone... I don't even understand how this is an argument.

00:30:13.000 Like, if you believe in the rights of the working class, To be able to have someone... Let's think about, like, an invention or designing a structure.

00:30:22.000 Someone sits there and tries to figure out how to make this object work, how to design this engine properly, and then you're like, I can copy it, you can't do anything about it.

00:30:29.000 And you're like, dude, I've worked for 10 years to design this, and they're like, we don't care.

00:30:33.000 I'm not stealing it, I'm just duplicating it.

00:30:35.000 Right, but if they try and sell it, now they're on the hook for illegal activity, but copying it is...

00:30:40.000 I think that's human right.

00:30:41.000 And then copying and everyone gets to use it.

00:30:43.000 And so the issue there is I certainly like the idea that if someone

00:30:47.000 invents something or make something that can be easily shared, everyone

00:30:49.000 can enjoy the fruits of that product.

00:30:52.000 I like the idea they can but then to say that the person who broke

00:30:55.000 their back worked really really hard to make that gets nothing for

00:30:59.000 it.

00:31:00.000 No, that's a problem.

00:31:01.000 If I say you made something data and I copied it and then sold it.

00:31:04.000 I think it should be written into the code that if I get paid, you get paid a large amount because you're the creator of the content.

00:31:11.000 So what you need to understand about the content that was being taken was that the consumption of the content was happening on mass scales with millions of people who did not pay for it.

00:31:20.000 So shouldn't the person who made it allowed to be compensated for the fruits of their labor?

00:31:25.000 I think artists should be able to make money.

00:31:27.000 And if they want it to be available for free, they can have a license where it's available to people.

00:31:33.000 Put it out in the open domain.

00:31:34.000 I'm just a realist.

00:31:35.000 I'm an artist.

00:31:36.000 I'm an internet video content creator.

00:31:38.000 I'm a musician.

00:31:38.000 If people take my stuff, you can't stop it.

00:31:41.000 That's the point.

00:31:41.000 Trying to make it illegal.

00:31:42.000 You can.

00:31:43.000 No, you can't stop people from trading information.

00:31:46.000 They created Spotify.

00:31:47.000 They created Pandora.

00:31:48.000 They created YouTube Music.

00:31:49.000 Yeah, but if you want to go online and look for a movie and watch it for free, you can.

00:31:53.000 It's not as easy as it used to be.

00:31:54.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:31:55.000 They did a really good job of shutting down all these sites.

00:31:57.000 They did it in really dirty ways, to be completely honest.

00:31:59.000 I think, based on my understanding of the Kim Dotcom case, it was completely wrong what they did.

00:32:03.000 It was nightmarish.

00:32:04.000 I mean, they raided the man's house.

00:32:06.000 When they could have just been like...

00:32:08.000 Stop doing this.

00:32:09.000 But they didn't.

00:32:10.000 It was like they wanted to put a show, they wanted to make an example of people.

00:32:13.000 That's the problem.

00:32:14.000 When they went after these people who use Napster, like Metallica went after them for

00:32:17.000 suing, saying you're stealing.

00:32:18.000 Or when there was like one guy who downloaded an MP3 and they showed it to his house and

00:32:22.000 he got a $50,000 fine or something.

00:32:24.000 That's insane.

00:32:25.000 That doesn't solve the problem. 1.00

00:32:27.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:32:28.000 What solved the problem was just innovation, technology, Spotify, right? 0.99

00:32:32.000 And now, you know, Bitcoin obviously solves a lot of these problems too, because now we have the blockchain, which means there can be digital assets that can be created and not copied.

00:32:42.000 So now we enter the space of digital property without fear of being copied.

00:32:47.000 Of course, then you enter the realm of theft, which is still possible if someone can steal your encryption keys or whatever, then they can get access to it.

00:32:53.000 Anyway, to wrap this back up, the internet was a wild, crazy place.

00:32:56.000 It was nuts what you could do on the internet.

00:32:59.000 And nowadays, it is increasingly becoming more and more like mainstream establishment television.

00:33:06.000 This show?

00:33:07.000 Huge thorn in their side, but...

00:33:10.000 You know, not the most egregious.

00:33:11.000 Steven Crowder, a much bigger thorn.

00:33:13.000 They've already banned the bigger thorns, like Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:33:18.000 He's still on YouTube.

00:33:18.000 I don't know what he's doing.

00:33:19.000 But off of Twitter, the place where these counterculture individuals have been able to grow and become prominent, they have removed them because they are trying to dictate culture.

00:33:29.000 They're trying to control it.

00:33:30.000 Well, the beauty of the Internet when it first came out, and you know, I grew up, you know, I was very young.

00:33:35.000 I don't remember a time before the Internet.

00:33:36.000 I don't remember when it didn't exist.

00:33:39.000 And just the ability that you can be yourself.

00:33:43.000 And that's what I loved about the Internet.

00:33:44.000 And growing up where I grew up, it was, you know, an amazing, wonderful place.

00:33:48.000 It was very beautiful geography.

00:33:49.000 I'm from Idaho.

00:33:50.000 But you know, it's just the ability of the internet is that you can truly be yours and that's how it started out

00:33:55.000 You can truly be yourself and you can truly be who you really are and it felt like you know

00:33:59.000 When you're getting into school back in the early day, you know

00:34:01.000 They're there they try to shun you and I feel like that only elevates in life when you know

00:34:05.000 You get stuck in a corporate job you hate and all that and then and then now they're coming for the internet and

00:34:10.000 ultimately if We're all I mean, this sounds like a platitude

00:34:13.000 But it's true is in a sense of if if we're able to be ourselves

00:34:17.000 you know, that ends up being a threat to the establishment. 0.95

00:34:22.000 And the problem there is that the current ideology that we're seeing rise is the kind of ideology that murders people who are inconvenient.

00:34:30.000 It doesn't stop at like, oh, we're gonna take your phone away.

00:34:32.000 It doesn't stop at, oh, we're gonna take your social media away.

00:34:35.000 It stops at, you're a threat to the revolution.

00:34:38.000 You're committing crimes of hate speech. 0.94

00:34:41.000 Off to the gulag.

00:34:42.000 I've had people say to me, it was really funny, you know, I had one lefty from Occupy post on my Facebook wall, don't never forget you're first against the wall.

00:34:50.000 And I'm like, oh yeah, a little old me in the wall.

00:34:52.000 You know, it's funny when the SPLC calls me a reactionary what they're saying.

00:34:56.000 Reactionaries oppose the revolution.

00:34:58.000 They genuinely believe they are in a revolution to, and it's funny, shouldn't that make them the insurrectionists?

00:35:06.000 If you use language critical of those who are like, the Constitution is good, ah! 1.00

00:35:10.000 You're a reactionary!

00:35:12.000 They want to get rid of the Constitution.

00:35:13.000 They want to get rid of this country.

00:35:15.000 Doesn't that make them insurrectionists?

00:35:17.000 Right.

00:35:17.000 Well, they're the ones who have more and more institutional power.

00:35:19.000 Conservatives are the ones who aren't doing a whole lot about it.

00:35:21.000 And one of the reasons I think... One of the only reasons I think we're actually seeing a culture war is because former liberals who believe in free speech, freedom of association, you know, classical liberalism, have started standing up and pushing back.

00:35:35.000 Not because of conservatives.

00:35:36.000 Now, of course, conservatives absolutely are pushing back.

00:35:39.000 But I think if If they carried on the establishment with a unified liberal order of some sort, meaning young people who played video games weren't being told to engage in a fringe ideology, if they didn't try forcing the liberals too far left too fast, there would be no culture war.

00:36:01.000 It would be politics as usual.

00:36:03.000 We wouldn't think twice about it.

00:36:05.000 But something happened where the left spread out and many people who are like center left individuals, traditional liberals, did not want to agree to this new racist ideology that was being implemented by the Democrats and by the progressives, which led them to resist it and led them to lump in with conservatives.

00:36:23.000 And now you have a large faction of Trump voters, 75 million people.

00:36:29.000 You think mesh networking is the answer to this?

00:36:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's why I think they dislike my project so much, is if you have your own hardware, because it doesn't matter, you could have the best software in the world, you know, like, you know, and if you're leasing basically on someone else's app store and someone else's hardware, you're screwed.

00:36:51.000 So that's why on our phone we did, we put our own app store on there, which has normal apps, but also banned ones, and we feature, you know, pro free speech ones, but I mean, I think mesh networking is the future, and that's why we want to incorporate it on this phone.

00:37:04.000 So that way you're able to communicate.

00:37:05.000 Basically what that means is being able to communicate even if they try to shut you down.

00:37:09.000 I mean why I got into Bitcoin in the first place was I guess I was a weird kid because I was really interested in currency and before Bitcoin there was something called Liberty Dollar.

00:37:18.000 Oh yeah, they went after that guy.

00:37:20.000 I think they put him in prison or at least said if you don't shut it down.

00:37:20.000 And they went after that guy.

00:37:23.000 So what that was is basically wanting to go back to the silver and gold standard.

00:37:28.000 Uh, and he basically set up his own little mini treasury, I think, in his garage or something.

00:37:32.000 And you would get, you know, a $10 bill with Ron Paul's face on it, and you could redeem that with him for $10 worth of silver.

00:37:38.000 And then, you know, small business.

00:37:40.000 I have, like, a We Accept Liberty dollar sign, even.

00:37:43.000 That's in my place.

00:37:45.000 And they shut that guy down.

00:37:46.000 Because technically it's illegal to start your own currency in the US.

00:37:50.000 And it became illegal during the Civil War.

00:37:54.000 There actually used to be, I had also, because again, I'm the Bitcoin guy.

00:37:57.000 And now I'm the Freedom Phone guy is what they're calling me.

00:38:01.000 But one of the things I did is I have all these old currencies, because before the Civil War, it was common to

00:38:06.000 actually issue other alternative currencies, whether that's a company or an area.

00:38:13.000 And so I have all these things in the Civil War, they wanted

00:38:15.000 to consolidate all the money into one currency.

00:38:17.000 And so that's why Bitcoin was invented in the first place.

00:38:19.000 People go, think Satoshi Nakamoto, the founders Anonymous.

00:38:23.000 Or, you know, what is the purpose of blockchain was anyone who started their own currency, they were either throwing in jail or threatening them to go to jail.

00:38:32.000 And that's an or, you know, and shutting down any centralized operation.

00:38:36.000 So that's what was beautiful about Bitcoin is, you know, you're able to run it even if they even if they shut you down, you know, that's why the founders anonymous because back in the day, if you start your own currency, you were, you know, it's prison.

00:38:47.000 And you were saying that mesh network and can bypass issues with So yeah, I mean, the goal is to be able to run and piggyback off other people's devices.

00:38:54.000 DNS issues.

00:38:55.000 Well, before we, we got to explain to people what mesh networking is.

00:38:57.000 Yeah, and explain mesh networking, thanks.

00:38:59.000 Well, let's start with mesh networking.

00:39:01.000 How would that work?

00:39:02.000 What does that mean?

00:39:03.000 So yeah, I mean, the goal is to be able to have, being able to run and piggyback off

00:39:09.000 other people's devices.

00:39:11.000 So rather than having to rely on, you know, basically, again, other people's hardware

00:39:16.000 for internet, hopefully, you know, you can have your own mesh network.

00:39:21.000 So that way, you know, whether that, if you have like a box at home, being able to communicate

00:39:26.000 with other things, you know, with phones and all that, being able to, being able to communicate.

00:39:32.000 So even if they shut down everything.

00:39:35.000 I'll simplify it.

00:39:36.000 Right now, your phone... Here's what people gotta understand about phones.

00:39:39.000 Your phone does not send out a lasso to a cell tower.

00:39:44.000 There is no direct laser beam from your phone to a tower.

00:39:47.000 The tower is broadcasting information in every possible direction.

00:39:51.000 Your phone is broadcasting information in every possible direction.

00:39:56.000 So while the cell tower Sees your signal, and then interprets it, and then transmits a signal which your phone interprets, it's entirely possible that the signal sent equally in the opposite direction can be intercepted by someone as well.

00:40:10.000 This is a large centralized data network.

00:40:13.000 Mesh networking would mean my phone connects to Ian's phone, connects to Eric's phone, connects to Lydia's phone, and then all the way down.

00:40:20.000 So imagine this, with a mesh network, you could line up a person probably,

00:40:26.000 I mean, what's, cell phones have massive range, a few miles, right?

00:40:29.000 You could take a, well, depending on how you do the mesh network and what bands you're using,

00:40:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:34.000 you could have zero cell phone towers.

00:40:36.000 You would never have a dead zone ever again.

00:40:38.000 Imagine this.

00:40:39.000 You're in your office and you're like, my phone just doesn't work when I'm on like the seventh floor in the corner because the tower can't reach here.

00:40:46.000 With mesh networking, your phone would just look for available phones around it and transmit data through everyone else's phone network.

00:40:53.000 We wouldn't need cell towers in cities.

00:40:55.000 Could we set up like solid state mesh networking nodes that don't require electricity?

00:41:02.000 Uh, I mean, I think you can have, like, self... I think it would all require electricity, um, but you, you know, you can set up, like, solar panels.

00:41:08.000 They're run by solar panels.

00:41:10.000 So that way you could have totally self-sufficient ones where you're not relying on the grid.

00:41:14.000 And I think that's a huge... You know, you saw what happened in Texas being reliant on the grid.

00:41:18.000 It can go bad.

00:41:19.000 I'll give people a simple example. I was on a cruise ship once and before you got on,

00:41:24.000 they were like, download this app. It's a Bluetooth mesh networking, direct messaging app.

00:41:29.000 There's no cell service. Your phone will not work in the middle of the ocean. So what happens is

00:41:34.000 you get on the boat, the boat goes off in your international waters and your cell stops working.

00:41:40.000 But somehow, you just got a message from your friend on the other side of the boat.

00:41:44.000 Your friend on the other side of the boat sent a message to your username, HeyWhereAreYouAt.

00:41:49.000 His phone, at the end of the boat, saw Jane Doe, 30 feet away.

00:41:55.000 Jumped to her phone, and then jumped to the next person's phone, to the next person's phone, to the next person's phone, until it found your phone.

00:42:01.000 And none of them get a notification, none of them get your message, it just piggybacks until it finally found you.

00:42:07.000 There were so many phones on this boat that it was instantaneous.

00:42:10.000 The mesh network just existed as long as people's Bluetooth were on.

00:42:13.000 So the more nodes, the faster the network runs?

00:42:15.000 Yeah.

00:42:16.000 The phones recognize the range of devices.

00:42:20.000 So like I said, it's not one-to-one.

00:42:21.000 It's not like your phone just sends the signal straight to the tower and back.

00:42:25.000 When that one phone sends the signal out, 15 phones in front of them all see it and instantly, exponentially just track down the code they're looking for and then bling, your phone gets a message.

00:42:35.000 No cell tower.

00:42:36.000 A mesh network of a bunch of different devices.

00:42:38.000 I don't know why we're not doing that technology now in cities.

00:42:41.000 Phones should, I mean, one of the things they've been doing with like a home internet is that they also create a public node off of your own wifi node.

00:42:49.000 I've never been the biggest fan of that.

00:42:50.000 And I definitely think people should have a choice to turn it on or off, but I don't understand why we don't do this.

00:42:55.000 Oh, the profit margin of centralized systems are keeping it that way, I think intentionally.

00:43:01.000 They love that you have to go through, Comcast loves that you have to go through their Wi-Fi node to get to gatekeepers.

00:43:06.000 Actually, I think it's easier to spy.

00:43:08.000 Definitely easier to spy.

00:43:10.000 So with a mesh network though, if I sent a message to you and you were over there and it went to like 50 people and then to you, would they not be able to spy on my message to you?

00:43:19.000 Well, that itself is encrypted, so, because, you know, I mean, ideally, right?

00:43:23.000 If you're using a mesh network, yeah, it breaks up all into little pieces and all that, and then sends it all united to you.

00:43:29.000 They can easily go to a centralized node.

00:43:32.000 Spy.

00:43:33.000 But to go to each and every individual phone with different modifications and different specs, that'd be a nightmare.

00:43:38.000 It's possible, though, for sure.

00:43:39.000 You could use centralized nodes in the mesh network.

00:43:42.000 It's not like we have to rip down these cell towers.

00:43:43.000 Those could be part of the mesh.

00:43:45.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 You'd need backhaul access.

00:43:49.000 So the way it would work is you're standing in the middle of the desert.

00:43:52.000 There's a guy a hundred feet in front of you, a hundred feet in front of him.

00:43:54.000 And then your phone sends a signal that bounces off of all of those phones and then hits the backhaul cell phone tower or a hardline connection or something.

00:44:02.000 And then boom, it hits the rest of the internet.

00:44:05.000 And you were saying the DNS could be a problem.

00:44:07.000 What is DNS and how does that affect like centralized systems right now?

00:44:11.000 Yeah, so for example, when you have like a domain, you have what's called the, you know, your DNS settings.

00:44:16.000 So if you're, you know, that enables you to direct people, you know, direct a certain domain.

00:44:23.000 And then, you know, people have been noticing just a lot of problems with, you know, DNS propagation.

00:44:28.000 Not just, you know, you can have sometimes, you know, you're not doing it right.

00:44:32.000 When you're, like, even if you go on like GoDaddy or any of these things, you can look at your, any place where you have a domain, you have what's called your DNS settings.

00:44:39.000 And then, yeah, I mean, a lot of people have been noticing these weird DNS propagation problems, where it's just kind of going in and out.

00:44:49.000 And I just think that's such a vulnerability right now, where, you know, I feel like powers that be can mess with that and make it so, you know, domains can be banned.

00:45:01.000 I mean, you saw when... Gab.

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:03.000 Was it Gab?

00:45:05.000 Gab had their domain seized, I think.

00:45:06.000 Was it Gab?

00:45:07.000 Um, I think, uh, their registrar banned them and all that, but that's the next step is you can go to, uh, one of the best domain registrars is called Epic, E-P-I-K, um, and, uh, that's where we host our domain.

00:45:20.000 And, uh, uh, and that's where I believe Gab hosts their domain as well.

00:45:23.000 Don't they do their own everything now though?

00:45:24.000 Aren't they building their own everything?

00:45:26.000 Yeah, I mean, I think Gab.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, I mean, they have to.

00:45:29.000 I mean, it's honestly props to them in many ways.

00:45:32.000 I mean, one of the, you know, we made, uh, uh, Gab doesn't have an app.

00:45:35.000 So on our phone where, uh, we have Gab right in our app store.

00:45:38.000 Um, cause then we built basically a whole app around their website.

00:45:41.000 So that way when people get it, they want to install it.

00:45:43.000 They can get it.

00:45:43.000 Didn't they use Fediverse though?

00:45:45.000 Gab switched to the Fediverse.

00:45:47.000 Oh, did they?

00:45:47.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

00:45:48.000 A while ago, a while ago.

00:45:49.000 For those that aren't familiar, the Fediverse is like Twitter, but decentralized.

00:45:53.000 So that means, it was really funny, Macedon, I think, was the biggest node, the biggest website that used the Fediverse.

00:46:01.000 And when Gab switched over, all of a sudden, all of these evil far-right People were now in the same network as the far left on Macedon, and they panicked, and they were like, we're banning these servers so we won't see them.

00:46:13.000 It's really, really funny, actually.

00:46:14.000 The hackers were like, we're creating a free speech network.

00:46:18.000 The goal of the Fediverse was to create an uncensorable network, decentralized internet, to stop the Feds and the establishment.

00:46:25.000 But then when the hacker community got woke, they immediately were like, yay, establishment!

00:46:29.000 And then turned over their servers to being banned, to blocking and everything.

00:46:32.000 But anyway.

00:46:33.000 Yeah, it's weird how the hacker community went woke.

00:46:35.000 To me, that's surprising.

00:46:36.000 I know, right?

00:46:37.000 Yeah, it's like, out of all the people... Pro-FBI?

00:46:39.000 Pro-Fed?

00:46:40.000 DEF CON's probably gonna be fun this year.

00:46:40.000 Wow.

00:46:44.000 Free speech doesn't mean uncensored, is what I've found.

00:46:47.000 Like, if you allow everything to happen, then there'll be mass chaos and people won't be able to speak properly because they'll get beat down when they try to talk, and it's just, A, everyone's able to do everything, so you have to create, like, You have to censor evil in a way or whatever.

00:47:02.000 Destruction.

00:47:03.000 You have to censor that so that people can speak freely.

00:47:06.000 You know, that's as per the U.S.

00:47:07.000 Constitution.

00:47:08.000 We've set up rules so that we allow for free speech.

00:47:11.000 Well, similar with the Internet, but it's dangerous because if people decide who's the arbiter, you know, then they can be pretty heavy handed.

00:47:17.000 The difference is speed.

00:47:19.000 So when it comes to the real world, first of all, people have their faces on their face, you know?

00:47:23.000 And on the Internet, you have anonymity, which is good.

00:47:25.000 It can be good in a lot of ways.

00:47:26.000 It can be bad in some ways.

00:47:27.000 Ultimately, I think anonymity serves a better, more good than bad.

00:47:31.000 But imagine if every human being on the planet had the superpowers of the Flash.

00:47:36.000 Every single one.

00:47:37.000 Somebody would be holding a feminist rally at a local community center, and then some anti-feminist instantly could be there shouting them down. 1.00

00:47:47.000 Same thing would be true of Antifa.

00:47:49.000 So you get some right-wing people saying, we love America, and then instantly 10,000 anti-America, flag-burning Antifa are all screaming, and no one can talk.

00:47:58.000 So in the real world, we have physical security.

00:48:02.000 That's not censorship if we have a private event.

00:48:04.000 So the challenge, I suppose, is The modern left says, Twitter's a private company, they can ban whoever they want, and it's like, yes, but they're like the only one that monopolized the space.

00:48:14.000 And that's creating a strain on discourse, and it's causing serious problems in this country.

00:48:19.000 But you know what the problem is?

00:48:20.000 These leftists enjoy the fact, well, first of all, Some of them enjoy the fact they're winning, because they have the control of the institutions.

00:48:28.000 But most of them are just like, I'll say whatever I'm told to say, because they just want to ride the wave.

00:48:33.000 What they don't realize is that they're destroying the fabric of society.

00:48:39.000 And here's the way I put it.

00:48:39.000 A lot of people think, you know, super villains want to destroy the world, right?

00:48:42.000 I was watching Austin Powers recently, and Dr. Evil, and which one is it, Goldmember?

00:48:47.000 He's like, no, no, no, this is in the second one.

00:48:49.000 He's like, even after they pay me all the money, I'm still going to destroy the cities with liquid hot magma.

00:48:54.000 It's like, no you wouldn't, because where do you spend the money after you destroy all the cities?

00:48:58.000 But I get it, it's a comedy, it's funny.

00:48:59.000 What most people don't realize is that they're like, yay, I'm winning!

00:49:03.000 And it's like, congratulations, your pyrrhic victory will make you the king of a pile of rubble.

00:49:08.000 So you may want to have political battles, but if you are creating such a strain that you are causing serious physical conflict and violence to where Joe Biden just went out and was like, do the Republicans think that Democrats are sucking the blood out of kids?

00:49:22.000 Like what?

00:49:23.000 The president just said what?

00:49:25.000 Like, come on!

00:49:26.000 You know, Donald Trump said Kung Flu, but jeez, Joe Biden, that was way... That's how insane they're being driven by the fact that they are high on their own supply.

00:49:35.000 Let me just say it.

00:49:37.000 I'll say it so good.

00:49:39.000 Jack Dorsey. 0.98

00:49:41.000 He invents Twitter, and then he just takes the whole vat and sticks it in his veins and believes all the psychotic garbage that the toilet has produced and is being flushed into his veins. 0.98

00:49:52.000 They are high on their own supply. 0.65

00:49:54.000 And eventually people are going to freak out from the psychosis of social media algorithmic chaos.

00:50:00.000 And it's all just going to go.

00:50:03.000 Well, they're going to build minds is what they're going to do.

00:50:04.000 And they did it.

00:50:05.000 They built it in 2011.

00:50:06.000 I was there.

00:50:07.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 The centralized internet is very, very dangerous.

00:50:11.000 And having a CEO decide what gets to be said on the network is also very dangerous because the CEO can change and become a psychopath.

00:50:17.000 Yeah, I mean, Dick Costello was like that.

00:50:19.000 He went, you know, former CEO of Twitter, I mean, he went from saying, we're the free speech wing of the free speech party, to just, you know, ranting on Twitter about how they should be stronger on the bans.

00:50:29.000 They're high on their own supply.

00:50:30.000 It's a downward spiral.

00:50:30.000 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 They start, they start, they get into these arguments.

00:50:36.000 You know, CGP Grey has a great video called, This Video Will Make You Angry, where he talks about how people rile each other up about the other.

00:50:43.000 And he said that they don't actually talk to each other.

00:50:45.000 Like, you know, it'll be like, you know, I'm pro Tim and Ian's pro Ian.

00:50:50.000 But instead of us actually arguing with each other about our beliefs, I argue to you and he argues to Lydia.

00:50:55.000 Oh, I get so annoyed when people do that.

00:50:56.000 That's what they do. 0.55

00:50:57.000 And so what happens is our mental image of the other gets crazier and crazier and crazier until ultimately we're just like, you're evil!

00:51:05.000 The problem is...

00:51:07.000 The people who control the institutions got high on the supply of leftism.

00:51:11.000 They were being fed algorithmic junk that would generate more clicks and more traffic for these rage-bait blogs.

00:51:17.000 And so they started to go insane, believing insane things.

00:51:20.000 Let me tell you guys something.

00:51:23.000 I've often explained how the algorithmic psychosis took hold in America.

00:51:28.000 For those that aren't familiar, I'm going to explain it.

00:51:30.000 And for those that are familiar, please bear with me as I explain to those who are not familiar.

00:51:34.000 In the late 2000s, Facebook and YouTube and Twitter and whatever else were trying to figure out algorithms.

00:51:39.000 Not so much Twitter.

00:51:39.000 Twitter didn't go algorithmic for a while.

00:51:41.000 They were trying to figure out how to get the most amount of engagement on posts.

00:51:46.000 So they created algorithms.

00:51:48.000 Regular people Ben would see a post and it would say, I like chocolate chip cookies.

00:51:53.000 And they would interact with it.

00:51:55.000 And then Facebook would be like, people seem to like chocolate chip cookies.

00:51:58.000 Show them more posts about cookies.

00:52:00.000 But then one day someone posts a video of a black man being beaten by police.

00:52:04.000 And all of a sudden, a million shares, 300 million views.

00:52:08.000 And the Facebook algorithm, without any disdain for what the video was, said, this is what people want to see.

00:52:14.000 No, I don't think people wanted to see that.

00:52:16.000 I think they were mad about it and wanted people to know because they wanted justice.

00:52:19.000 Well, the algorithm then started feeding more of these videos, but more importantly, humans figured it out.

00:52:24.000 Humans figured out, I get way more views when I post these videos.

00:52:28.000 So the RageBait blog started posting more and more and more of this.

00:52:30.000 In fact, at one point, there was a website dedicated to nothing but police brutality that was in the top global 500 websites.

00:52:36.000 All they did was post police brutality videos.

00:52:39.000 Then, something more magical happened.

00:52:41.000 The discovery of intersectional feminism.

00:52:43.000 Wait a minute.

00:52:44.000 If we combine racism and sexism, we don't just get X views or Y views, and we don't get X plus Y, we get XY views.

00:52:54.000 An exponential increase by combining the keywords.

00:52:57.000 Thus, we saw the rise of intersectionality, which was this idea, which is rooted in, it stems from critical race theory.

00:53:03.000 That a black woman experiences a unique kind of sexism and racism that a black man and a white woman would not experience, creating an all-new interpretation of racism.

00:53:13.000 What ends up happening is, you have all of these companies producing rage bait to the great degree.

00:53:18.000 Every article is police brutality, non-stop.

00:53:21.000 Mike.com started as, my understanding is, a Ron Paul libertarian website.

00:53:25.000 No way!

00:53:26.000 Did Mike start off as Ron Paul-y?

00:53:27.000 Wow!

00:53:28.000 There was an investigation I read about, so correct me if I'm wrong everybody, but it started off like just being, like, what was the internet?

00:53:33.000 What was big on the internet back then?

00:53:35.000 Ron Paul, love revolution!

00:53:36.000 Ron Paul, I mean, he was number one on Reddit.

00:53:37.000 I mean, that's where I first heard about Bitcoin, was a Ron Paul event.

00:53:40.000 But then something happened.

00:53:42.000 They realized that anger was the number one, was the emotion that caused the highest amount of shares.

00:53:49.000 So then instead of being about Ron Paul, it became about police brutality.

00:53:53.000 Now you gotta understand, too, the Ron Paul crowd overlapped with the police brutality crowd, because libertarians didn't like seeing people be beaten by cops, and they liked Ron Paul, too.

00:54:03.000 But the pro-hospitality people found that enraging people with intersectionality was worth more, and eventually it leaves the Ron Paul people behind, who are probably, to be completely honest, more rational in their thinking, and they were looking for information, they were finding it, they were getting away from the mainstream.

00:54:17.000 Which brings me to the current state of our generational algorithmic psychosis.

00:54:22.000 Someone who is 10 years old, in 2008, goes on Facebook, maybe for the first time.

00:54:28.000 I know they're not supposed to, because you're supposed to be 13, but they're 10.

00:54:31.000 And what do they see?

00:54:33.000 Nothing but police brutality videos. 0.98

00:54:35.000 Every video in their feed is a cop beating a black man. 0.65

00:54:38.000 Five years goes by. 0.95

00:54:40.000 A third of their life is inundated with non-stop posts of police beating black men.

00:54:46.000 Now, does that mean that more and more cops are doing this?

00:54:49.000 No, not at all.

00:54:50.000 It's just that when you have 300-something million interactions with cops per year, a handful of them are going to get really, really bad.

00:54:58.000 Some may be taken out of context.

00:55:00.000 Now, it's 10 years later.

00:55:03.000 We're talking 2018.

00:55:05.000 And these kids are now 20 years old, half of their lives.

00:55:09.000 They have seen nothing but the police, brutality videos, and racism and sexism.

00:55:15.000 Now it's 2021.

00:55:17.000 Now they're all in their early to mid-20s, these young people.

00:55:21.000 Most of their lives inundated with algorithmic psychosis.

00:55:26.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 Is it true that police sometimes will beat a person unjustly?

00:55:32.000 It is.

00:55:33.000 Does sometimes mean a lot?

00:55:35.000 It actually doesn't.

00:55:36.000 Is a lot relative?

00:55:37.000 Okay, sure it is.

00:55:38.000 But out of hundreds of millions of interactions with police, a tiny, tiny fraction, I think the Wall Street Journal said 19 unarmed black men were killed by police.

00:55:48.000 That's a problem.

00:55:49.000 Each and every one of those deaths is bad.

00:55:50.000 But when you play those videos on loop for a decade, people's worldview, these kids, they grew up in a world where the only thing they ever saw were these videos played on repeat.

00:56:01.000 Sometimes from different angles.

00:56:02.000 I mean, the internet is like raising kids now.

00:56:04.000 I feel like I was raised by the internet.

00:56:06.000 I mean, I had a great family and all that, but a lot of people, they don't even have a great family and they're raised by the internet.

00:56:11.000 But these kids grew up in a world that doesn't exist.

00:56:14.000 So I remember, I notice this from time to time, you go on Reddit, and I'll see the same police brutality video from like 2014.

00:56:21.000 And it pops up once a week.

00:56:23.000 Because it gets karma.

00:56:24.000 Because if someone says, I wanna get internet points, they put it, they post it, and they know people are gonna upvote it.

00:56:29.000 And they don't know, Or they don't care that it's really old.

00:56:33.000 That 10-year-old kid sees that video every week, and then they forget, and they see it a month later, and then they engage, and these videos are constantly recycled in this way.

00:56:43.000 It's algorithmic psychosis that is warping the minds of people who live in the internet, who are growing up with it.

00:56:51.000 The other thing that is causing the chaos is what I call the scaling problem. 0.96

00:56:55.000 And it's basically, if you have a hundred police officers, and one of them is a dick, who, uh, and a psychopath, who beats somebody, that's one percent. 0.92

00:57:05.000 Most people are gonna be like, arrest that guy. 0.99

00:57:07.000 Problem solved.

00:57:08.000 It's just one guy.

00:57:09.000 If you have a hundred million police officers, you've not got a million cops going around doing all the stuff, that's a very, very serious problem.

00:57:16.000 But it's the same percentage.

00:57:18.000 Now, it's not nearly that high in terms of bad police officers.

00:57:21.000 We do have problems with cops, don't get me wrong, in terms of, like, enforcing unjust laws or seizing people's guns and things like that in violation of the Constitution, and violating people's free speech.

00:57:29.000 I've seen it.

00:57:30.000 The cops who sprayed those girls, the women at Occupy Wall Street, for no reason, just walked up Tony Maloney and he sprayed her. 0.99

00:57:35.000 That's wrong.

00:57:37.000 But when you look at the actual ratio, These people who grow up in the paranoid, delusional world of rage-bait algorithms, and their whole lives have been inundated with this, they live in this world that's completely inverted.

00:57:50.000 The 0.001% of cops who are actually doing these things become the 99.99% of cops because they've never seen other interactions.

00:57:58.000 Now they're going into politics.

00:58:00.000 Now they're voting.

00:58:01.000 So if you think everything is going to stop, what people need to understand is, it's not about you.

00:58:06.000 It's about the kids from 10 years ago and where they are now.

00:58:08.000 It's about the kids who are 15 years old right now, what they've been raised on, and who they will vote for in the next three years.

00:58:15.000 Which could be crazy crackpot far-left cult member who microwaves their underwear and is using a curling iron to make pancakes.

00:58:24.000 Because that's what they see on the internet.

00:58:25.000 Could be Kanye West!

00:58:27.000 I believe.

00:58:27.000 That's not so bad.

00:58:28.000 I believe.

00:58:29.000 I love Kanye so much.

00:58:30.000 I mean, those Sunday services are amazing.

00:58:33.000 I mean, that's why I wanted to get into politics, actually.

00:58:35.000 I feel like Kanye was one of the biggest motivators because just seeing someone, you know, like in the song Reborn and all that with Kid Cudi, it was just so beautiful.

00:58:46.000 You know, I want all the smoke.

00:58:47.000 I want all the pain.

00:58:48.000 I want all the blame.

00:58:49.000 What an awesome thing engulfed in shame.

00:58:52.000 And that's what made me want to, because I've been, like, what got me into Bitcoin was Ron Paul and all that, and that whole world, and meeting some guy who had a Bitcoin, it was actually Adam Kokesh, it was actually an Adam Kokesh event, and it was all Ron Paul people.

00:59:03.000 What year was it?

00:59:04.000 I forgot the, I mean, it was around when Bitcoin had come out recently, and my older brother brought me to an Adam Kokesh event, and he got arrested at the Jefferson Memorial for dancing.

00:59:16.000 And all that.

00:59:16.000 Do you remember that?

00:59:17.000 I vaguely remember that.

00:59:18.000 Yeah, and then my brother, we flew in and we went to go protest that.

00:59:24.000 And then, yeah, so it was like a Footloose-like protest.

00:59:26.000 And then some guy had this orange Bitcoin shirt on or had an orange bee and it looked like a dollar sign.

00:59:31.000 I'm like, what's that?

00:59:32.000 And he's like, You know what I love about Bitcoin?

00:59:39.000 The people who endorsed it early on had no idea what it was.

00:59:43.000 At all.

00:59:44.000 And the reason I didn't buy is because me and my friends more so knew what it was.

00:59:51.000 Now, so my story is that back in 2011, Bitcoin was at 70 cents.

00:59:55.000 And I look over to my friend, I'm in L.A.

00:59:57.000 at Hackerspace, 70 cents per Bitcoin.

00:59:59.000 And I'm like, I was like, hey, I was like, I got five grand in savings.

01:00:03.000 Should I just buy all this bit, like put it all in Bitcoin?

01:00:06.000 Because I'm not going to touch the money.

01:00:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:08.000 It's going to it's just my savings sitting in my bank account.

01:00:10.000 And he goes, dude.

01:00:13.000 Like, first of all, how do you even buy this stuff?

01:00:16.000 And second of all, it's probably a scam.

01:00:18.000 Like, somebody makes this, and they tell you it's valuable, and sure, it's like, you know, Bitcoin.

01:00:23.000 But he's like, what can you really do?

01:00:25.000 You're gonna buy it, and in a month it's gonna be a fad, and then you're gonna lose everything.

01:00:29.000 And I was like, that's a good point.

01:00:31.000 I won't buy.

01:00:32.000 Well, I'm familiar with the people calling product scams when they're not.

01:00:35.000 I remember seeing it and thinking like, OK, so now my currency is going to be I got to write a string of numbers on on letters on paper.

01:00:41.000 If my paper gets lost or burned, it's gone forever.

01:00:44.000 And if I lose access to electricity, I can't.

01:00:47.000 I don't have my money.

01:00:48.000 But what was your impetus to get into it?

01:00:48.000 So I didn't get into it.

01:00:51.000 Well, so actually, yeah.

01:00:52.000 Do you want to tell us what year and how you... Yeah, I got into it 2011, as well.

01:00:57.000 So I had about a... My grandmother, who was very old, and she gave me $1,000.

01:01:02.000 And she's like, you know, Eric, use this for your scholarship.

01:01:06.000 You know, one day, go to school.

01:01:08.000 I'm gonna buy fake internet money!

01:01:11.000 And that's what I did.

01:01:13.000 So that's what I ended up doing.

01:01:15.000 So I bought that.

01:01:16.000 Yeah, my brother taught me how to get that out.

01:01:19.000 And actually buying Bitcoin was easier back in the day because it was like, you could just pay some guy over PayPal, you know, and get Bitcoin sent to your wallet.

01:01:27.000 I mean, you had Bitcoin faucets back in the day, which is where they would give away free Bitcoin.

01:01:32.000 I got 0.15 Bitcoin from that faucet.

01:01:33.000 Wow.

01:01:34.000 Yeah, Bitcoin.org, right?

01:01:35.000 Yeah, that computer got destroyed though.

01:01:37.000 Oh my god.

01:01:38.000 So I probably, I don't even know how many Bitcoin were on the computer, the computer I had back at the hackerspace, because I didn't put my savings into it, but I still did get some Bitcoin.

01:01:47.000 It was worthless!

01:01:48.000 I was like, whatever, it's like I had like a dollar.

01:01:51.000 That happened to my friend, he, American Airlines lost his bag and that had about 500 Bitcoin on it.

01:01:57.000 No!

01:01:58.000 Yeah, I know, I know.

01:01:59.000 Where did you store it in the beginning?

01:02:02.000 Uh, back in the day, and definitely not now, but I just stored it on my laptop.

01:02:05.000 Like, you download, like, the Bitcoin.org, you know, just desktop wallet, and that's what you did.

01:02:10.000 Alpaca socks, if anybody remembers that.

01:02:13.000 And yeah, I mean, I was a weird kid.

01:02:14.000 I mean, some kids had video games, some kids had sports.

01:02:16.000 Mine was Bitcoin.

01:02:17.000 I just spent every day And I ended up actually, I dropped out of high school because I had some Bitcoin money then, moved my butt to Palo Alto, Silicon Valley, and just like, you know, tried to do a business and all that.

01:02:29.000 And it ended up going well, but eventually sold the company, put it all back into Bitcoin.

01:02:33.000 But Bitcoin to me, I mean, when I first got into it, I actually did think it was going to be big, but it was kind of in the way you hope for world peace.

01:02:40.000 Like, it's like, well, you hope for it, but you don't know what will happen. 0.92

01:02:43.000 There's a funny meme where it's like, Some some there's like a guy who's like wearing a nice polo and glasses and he's like Bitcoin seems interesting but I'm not entirely sure that people will build confidence in this decentralized network but I'll look into it and the next guy is like fat with like a beard and flies and he's like I want to buy drugs on the internet and it's like that guy's a millionaire now yeah cuz he was just like some scumbag who's like I don't care

01:03:06.000 Did you pre-install wallets on the Freedom Phone?

01:03:11.000 Wallets?

01:03:12.000 There's a crypto wallet on the phone.

01:03:13.000 What's it called?

01:03:14.000 It's called MetalPay, actually.

01:03:16.000 Do you have the phone?

01:03:18.000 Do you want to pull it out?

01:03:18.000 Yes, I do.

01:03:19.000 Do you want to pull out your phone?

01:03:22.000 We won't use the pronouns.

01:03:23.000 I know, I know.

01:03:24.000 But that's another thing.

01:03:26.000 Like everyone told me when I got into Bitcoin, you know, and they were all like, Bro, that's a scam.

01:03:31.000 Get out of here.

01:03:32.000 Someone took your money on the Internet.

01:03:33.000 Some guy named Bitcoin took your money.

01:03:34.000 And that's how it happened.

01:03:36.000 I got into an argument with some Ancap guy.

01:03:40.000 And I was like, it was funny because I was like talking about this is this is like 2012 or 13.

01:03:46.000 I was like, so Bitcoin was still relatively cheap back then.

01:03:49.000 And I was talking about my concerns and he didn't know anything at all.

01:03:54.000 And he's probably like worth hundreds of millions of dollars right now. 0.94

01:03:57.000 And I'm like, I wish I was dumb. 0.92

01:03:58.000 You know what I mean? 0.91

01:03:59.000 And just like, oh, cool, Bitcoin and cap, woo, anarchy.

01:04:02.000 And I just bought a bunch, not thinking about it.

01:04:04.000 But I was like, hmm, there are some very interesting problems with this.

01:04:07.000 We saw some of the hard forks, or not the hard forks, the hard forks, the Bitcoin Cash.

01:04:13.000 And there was the, no, no, the accidental ones.

01:04:15.000 Oh, do you remember when, I think it was in 2013, Bitcoin forked on accident?

01:04:19.000 Oh yeah.

01:04:20.000 And then they had to like do an emergency like, no, no, that's not the real thing anymore.

01:04:23.000 And like switch to this node.

01:04:25.000 And so I was like, but you know, the mistake I made back then was it was an, it was an investing in the one thing the end caps understood was that it was a decentralized non-copyable asset that was difficult to locate.

01:04:40.000 And that's all that really mattered.

01:04:41.000 And so I was in cap back when I was, you know, 12.

01:04:44.000 But there's that.

01:04:45.000 There's two things.

01:04:45.000 There's that.

01:04:46.000 And that in and of itself was like, we don't care what the value of the Bitcoin is.

01:04:51.000 I can have this Bitcoin and trade it.

01:04:52.000 And it's easy.

01:04:53.000 The other thing was back in the day, it was actually a very interesting way to transfer funds very quickly internationally.

01:05:00.000 Not because you cared about the value of Bitcoin.

01:05:02.000 Put it this way.

01:05:03.000 I need to give you, let's say I need to give you a dollar, and you're a thousand miles away.

01:05:09.000 So I can't hand you the dollar.

01:05:11.000 So what I do is I go on, I send you a dollar's worth of Bitcoin, and then you immediately sell it for a dollar.

01:05:16.000 So I just transfer the dollar instantly.

01:05:19.000 Neither of us are holding Bitcoin.

01:05:20.000 I go to the site and I say, buy Bitcoin, send, and then you go, accept Bitcoin, sell.

01:05:25.000 The dollar transferred, like that.

01:05:27.000 That was very, very early in Bitcoin's history, when I was like, now I started to understand why this is such a powerful tool, because it basically cuts out a lot of the financial infrastructure for transferring funds very quickly.

01:05:40.000 It didn't matter what the price of a Bitcoin was, because if someone could transfer value instantly, then there would be more demand for buying than selling.

01:05:48.000 And so, that's when I was like, okay, I'll get some Bitcoin and start taking it more seriously, and since then I have.

01:05:53.000 I mean, yeah, I mean the ANCAPs back in the day, I mean, I was really into that and it's still a part of me.

01:06:00.000 But I mean, that was that whole world was just, you know, a bunch of, I mean, that's how all great things get started is people that are a little different and all that.

01:06:08.000 So, but how did you, so you bought in 2011, you bought all these Bitcoin and then when did you become a millionaire?

01:06:15.000 Yeah, so I became a millionaire at 18, so I was like 12 back then.

01:06:19.000 So again, that was... Wait, you bought Bitcoin when you were 12?

01:06:21.000 Yeah, I bought Bitcoin when I was 12.

01:06:23.000 And again, it was easier back in the day because, you know, although I ended up having to do it later, but all the KYC stuff, you know, you could just like PayPal some guy on LocalBitcoins.

01:06:33.000 And so that's what I did.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I was 12 years old and I just spent every day, I was like mowing lawns just to try to get more money to put into it.

01:06:41.000 Really?

01:06:41.000 Yeah.

01:06:42.000 Because a lot of people say, like, when I tell that story about having the five grand in savings and wanting to buy Bitcoin, everyone responds with, you would have sold at 20 bucks.

01:06:42.000 See, that's it.

01:06:51.000 And I'm like, you're correct.

01:06:53.000 If I put five grand into Bitcoin and hit $20, I'd be like, and I'd sell right away.

01:06:57.000 I'd be like, just get off!

01:06:58.000 Because I wasn't smart enough, I guess.

01:07:00.000 I didn't have the vision.

01:07:01.000 I didn't see it.

01:07:02.000 I think to me it was just my whole identity was wrapped up in Bitcoin because it's like, what are you going to do as a 14-year-old with this money when it went up?

01:07:09.000 And then again, I was just obsessed with Bitcoin.

01:07:13.000 It was my identity and it just inspired me to do so many other things.

01:07:18.000 But yeah, I became a millionaire at 18.

01:07:19.000 I'm an old man.

01:07:19.000 I'm 22 now.

01:07:22.000 Did that and then yeah a bunch of articles came out, you know youngest Bitcoin millionaire, which was nice

01:07:28.000 But you know, it's ultimately was you know, cool, I guess I didn't buy doge

01:07:31.000 I did buy some doge early on. Oh, I did cash out doge early though. That was that was my state

01:07:37.000 I put I now have some coin in in in doge and all that but But yeah, I mean I was I was all in Bitcoin

01:07:43.000 I mean I remember I made like 300 bucks on dogecoin like back in

01:07:46.000 the day and I was like well This is as far as gonna go cuz dogecoin is one of those

01:07:49.000 coins that has lasted for such a long time I mean they did the whole NASCAR thing early on and then

01:07:53.000 after that faded I was like wow, maybe doge I love how in the early days of Bitcoin there was like

01:07:58.000 thousands of Altcoins?

01:08:00.000 We'll call them altcoins.

01:08:02.000 And they were just like clones of Bitcoin with different names.

01:08:05.000 And then people would be like, this is the one that's gonna beat Bitcoin.

01:08:07.000 And I'm like, it's nothing.

01:08:08.000 It's all the same thing.

01:08:09.000 It's like you just cloned the code and then made it and then sold it.

01:08:12.000 And people made money doing it.

01:08:14.000 It was crazy because even if it was almost worthless, you could make like a million coins, go on some trading website, and people would be like, I'll give you Bitcoin for it.

01:08:25.000 It was so scammy in the early days.

01:08:26.000 I know!

01:08:27.000 And it still is!

01:08:27.000 It still is, yeah.

01:08:29.000 I mean, Litecoin was one of those things.

01:08:31.000 I mean, seeing Litecoin, like Ethereum's kind of the new Litecoin, but I remember Litecoin was just, you would always, whenever Bitcoin went up, Litecoin was always that number two.

01:08:40.000 And they would say, Bitcoin is gold, Litecoin is silver.

01:08:42.000 Yeah, exactly, exactly.

01:08:43.000 I mean, it was literally the logos.

01:08:47.000 That was just such a crazy, beautiful time.

01:08:50.000 Wild, wild west of the internet, man.

01:08:51.000 It was the wild, wild west on the internet.

01:08:53.000 And then again, I mean, I remember there was this thing called World of Text, and it was like when Chrome first came out, and you had like a WebGL, I think it was called, and basically it was this whole just giant text page where you could just write anything and be yourself and all that.

01:09:08.000 And that was what was beautiful.

01:09:10.000 And, you know, and again, I just feel like not to tie it into today, but I mean, just it's just they're taking away the ability to be yourself.

01:09:19.000 And people use the terms like free speech and all that.

01:09:21.000 And I mean, that's that's the perfect term for it.

01:09:24.000 But what does that really mean?

01:09:25.000 It's the right to have your own voice, the right to be yourself.

01:09:28.000 Can I see that phone?

01:09:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:29.000 So here, I'll try to open it to the camera.

01:09:32.000 Should I be fancy with it?

01:09:35.000 Show the people the Freedom Phone.

01:09:37.000 So this is the Freedom Phone, guys.

01:09:40.000 It's beautiful.

01:09:41.000 It's a beautiful box.

01:09:43.000 I'm bumping my microphone here.

01:09:43.000 Okay, cool.

01:09:45.000 So here we go.

01:09:47.000 You probably your frame is probably like at your chest.

01:09:49.000 Okay. Okay. So there we go. So this is it and all that Up a little bit

01:09:54.000 It still darkens the camera because the white yeah, absolutely. So here we go here

01:09:59.000 I'll hand it to you in just a second and all that. But yeah, this is what it looks like

01:10:02.000 You know, it's a quality phone and all that and then oh, yeah

01:10:05.000 There's a quality phone and all that and you can boot it up, you know

01:10:09.000 We basically combined some of the best custom ROMs on Android++.

01:10:15.000 I hired a really great CTO to basically rebuild Android from the ground up so that way it was secure and all that.

01:10:26.000 We mixed LineageOS, GrapheneOS.

01:10:29.000 We took some of the best parts of all these things.

01:10:31.000 It was tricky to do because that can break a lot of things.

01:10:35.000 We did that and and then yeah, so you have like trust on there, which is a Privacy guard for your phone and then you put it up and then we have I'm just trying to say one of the things we did is we made this really explicitly kind of political in a way because we thought about making like should we make this phone like a little bit more Like a little bit more neutral, in a way, and not so, like, hard-standing on kind of free speech and, you know, right-wing politics and all that.

01:11:07.000 But we wanted to, you know, I feel like we did a good job.

01:11:09.000 We wanted it to have, like, I'm never afraid, I guess, of being provocative.

01:11:13.000 And I think a lot of people, they don't, they're, I can hand this to you, by the way, if you want to play with it.

01:11:18.000 Yeah.

01:11:19.000 Freedom phone.

01:11:20.000 Yeah, Freedom Phone.

01:11:20.000 How long did it take from DuckDuckGo on it?

01:11:23.000 Yeah, so DuckDuckGo is right on the home screen.

01:11:25.000 Brave Browser is the default browser.

01:11:26.000 And Fortnite?

01:11:27.000 Yeah, we preloaded Fortnite because we did that as a troll because Apple banned Fortnite off their app store.

01:11:34.000 So again, they're not just banning conservative apps.

01:11:37.000 They're banning apps like Fortnite if they don't pay up or if some governments, like for example, not that I use this app, but Grindr.

01:11:44.000 I mean, that's like Tinder for gay people. 0.92

01:11:46.000 I mean, that's... They banned that?

01:11:48.000 They banned that.

01:11:48.000 Not in the US, but a country asked them to ban it.

01:11:50.000 I forgot which one, but it was like, so they're responding to countries and all that.

01:11:54.000 And that's the problem with these huge, huge multinational corporations is, you know, they're just in it for the money and all that.

01:12:01.000 And that's the whole purpose of this phone and all that was to make a phone that was a true alternative to Apple and Google's duopoly.

01:12:11.000 Multiple SIM slots.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, you got multiple SIM slots and everything, and all that.

01:12:16.000 How long did it take from the drawing board to prototype, and then from the prototype to finished product?

01:12:21.000 You can connect it to Wi-Fi, too, if you want to use the internet.

01:12:24.000 That's like a test unit.

01:12:25.000 Where's the camera?

01:12:26.000 Here's the camera.

01:12:27.000 It's at the bottom right corner.

01:12:28.000 Oh, I see.

01:12:28.000 Exactly.

01:12:32.000 Oh, looks like a camera.

01:12:34.000 Yeah.

01:12:35.000 It zooms.

01:12:36.000 Look at that.

01:12:36.000 Hi.

01:12:37.000 So I think, uh, I'm looking at the specs and I think the Umidigi A9 Pro actually has a better camera.

01:12:43.000 Uh, yeah.

01:12:44.000 So we, we customized the camera on everything.

01:12:46.000 Like the problem is, is we wanted to make sure that on the supply chain front that we got our parts in a secure way, um, and all that.

01:12:52.000 So that way, uh, like we, we just didn't feel satisfied with the Umidigi, um, their camera supply chain.

01:12:57.000 Can I look at it?

01:12:58.000 Absolutely.

01:12:58.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:59.000 Oh, I see.

01:13:00.000 Well, I googled it.

01:13:01.000 They say they have a 32 megapixel camera.

01:13:07.000 Actually, they have an octa-core processor, which I think yours is also.

01:13:12.000 Yeah, also we have an octa-core processor.

01:13:15.000 But yours is 8 gigabytes, right?

01:13:17.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:13:20.000 This is great, man.

01:13:21.000 Four gigabytes.

01:13:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:22.000 It's epic that one human can build, go and do something like this.

01:13:25.000 Well, thank you.

01:13:26.000 I mean, obviously you have a team of 20 people.

01:13:27.000 And factories and research and technology.

01:13:30.000 How long did it take you guys from start to finish?

01:13:32.000 It took a year.

01:13:33.000 So again, this started out as a, as kind of, my background is crypto and all that.

01:13:36.000 And we thought, well, would it be great to have a phone, you know, preloaded with a bunch of, you know, kind of blockchain based apps and everything.

01:13:44.000 One of the reasons we wanted to call it a freedom phone was to have that provocativeness.

01:13:49.000 I think that there's a huge problem.

01:13:52.000 A lot of people, if they voted for Trump, they're scared to market.

01:13:58.000 I voted for Trump.

01:14:01.000 They're scared to market to this audience.

01:14:07.000 There's a pillow company, right?

01:14:08.000 That's the least political thing ever.

01:14:10.000 But if they say they care about your values, and they do, They end up doing well, but getting hated.

01:14:17.000 I know so many friends, they have some of the best online alternative education apps in the world that would appeal, in my opinion, to a lot of right-wing people that care about alternative education.

01:14:28.000 Because right now, the education system itself, in my opinion, it just teaches CRT and a lot of left-wing values.

01:14:36.000 And you could say you can have that argument, but in my opinion, there's no ideological diversity.

01:14:41.000 So that's another reason why I think I'm getting attacked so much.

01:14:44.000 I'm unapologetically free speech.

01:14:46.000 In my opinion, I'm a Republican, and it's weird because it flipped.

01:14:52.000 It used to be that Republicans back in the day in the George Bush era, they were kind of a little bit not so good on free speech, and it used to be the left, and it's totally flipped now.

01:15:00.000 I'm like a one-issue voter.

01:15:02.000 I just care about free speech.

01:15:03.000 Yeah, I think centralized education is a big problem.

01:15:06.000 It is good to build social cohesion through what we understand and know, but I think the modern day education is teaching people how to learn, not what to know.

01:15:15.000 Exactly.

01:15:16.000 And this education system seems to be shoving specific information into people's heads as opposed to teaching them how to think critically, which.

01:15:23.000 I mean, I dropped out of high school because I love to learn.

01:15:23.000 Exactly.

01:15:26.000 And that was the problem.

01:15:28.000 When you look at Richard Branson, he dropped out the same age as me.

01:15:33.000 I love to learn, and that's why I had to leave.

01:15:36.000 And that's one of the reasons why I care about free speech.

01:15:40.000 I've done a TED Talk.

01:15:42.000 I had met with Jimmy Carter and all that, like Time Magazine wrote.

01:15:47.000 The media had liked me up until July 14th when we launched this phone.

01:15:51.000 That's so weird.

01:15:52.000 And like I had all these, like literally I did an interview with Business Insider and all that before.

01:15:58.000 They didn't know that I was launching the phone and it was very nice.

01:16:01.000 CNN had me on to talk about crypto a few days and they didn't know and they wrote these glowing things about me.

01:16:08.000 So I pulled up, I had the wrong specs before, I had the A9 Pro.

01:16:11.000 On the A9, the specs look the same.

01:16:14.000 Yeah.

01:16:16.000 What's the difference between the Pro and the... I guess the Pro is a better camera.

01:16:19.000 It's marginally more expensive.

01:16:21.000 So, but let's get down to brass tacks here.

01:16:23.000 The specs look very, very much the same.

01:16:25.000 Same camera, front and back.

01:16:26.000 This display is the same.

01:16:28.000 They say they have a dot... What is this?

01:16:30.000 A dot drop display.

01:16:31.000 Not the same as the... What does Freedom Phone have?

01:16:35.000 Is it a... Water drop.

01:16:37.000 Is that different?

01:16:38.000 No, no.

01:16:39.000 Well, yeah, I mean, it's like, I mean, is it different?

01:16:42.000 I mean, I think that's their name for just it.

01:16:46.000 Again, I haven't looked at, like, the A9 specs, really.

01:16:49.000 Why is it more money?

01:16:50.000 Why is it more money?

01:16:51.000 Well, one, to source all the parts of this device, it does cost more money to be able

01:17:00.000 to get the parts we get from.

01:17:02.000 Because if you don't want a supply chain reliant on, let's say, CCP companies or whatever,

01:17:07.000 it ends up being a little bit more expensive, a little bit more pricey.

01:17:10.000 And also, when you do things at scale, the overall product ends up being cheaper.

01:17:15.000 So when people look up the price of these phones, a lot of these prices, it's for ordering

01:17:20.000 50,000 units at once.

01:17:23.000 Or because companies did, and they can sell it because it's...

01:17:25.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:17:27.000 Or another company does it, and then they resell it at that cost.

01:17:29.000 So the root cause of these phones is they're selling 50,000 or 100,000 phones.

01:17:34.000 And then, yeah, they either resell, or it counts as buying 100,000 phones or something.

01:17:42.000 What does the operating system do?

01:17:44.000 Because, look, regardless of the reason why it costs you more money, why should someone spend more money on a phone that has effectively the same specs as the A9?

01:17:54.000 Well, yeah.

01:17:55.000 At the operating system level, if you buy that phone, I guarantee it has a ton of Google stuff on it.

01:18:02.000 Not just guarantee, you can look it up.

01:18:04.000 It has a ton of Google stuff on it.

01:18:06.000 It uses the Google Play Store, which totally tracks you.

01:18:10.000 The supply chain has not been verified and all that.

01:18:13.000 We're going to post on our whole supply chain process, which I think is on our website.

01:18:18.000 I'm coming up and then we just we just got out there and it was like a crazy launch

01:18:21.000 So, you know, we just we honestly did not expect to honestly have a kind of blow up this much

01:18:26.000 But it but is right now is that basically like the freedom OS?

01:18:29.000 Yeah, freedom OS is a mix of linear Joanne AOS P Android open-source

01:18:33.000 lineage OS graphene OS couple other custom ROMs and our own touch and

01:18:38.000 So one of the things we do on this phone is we silo every app and its own little digital island its own little

01:18:44.000 digital Bubble so that way it can't see anything that's going on

01:18:47.000 the rest. Oh Oh, that's awesome!

01:18:48.000 Sandboxing.

01:18:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, sandboxing.

01:18:51.000 So, you know, like right now on iPhone, I think even Apple Developer Analytics, just as a normal developer, you're able to... You don't have YouTube on that phone, do you?

01:18:59.000 No, no, YouTube is, uh, you have the option.

01:19:02.000 You know what annoys me?

01:19:03.000 What?

01:19:04.000 When I'll be using the browser on my phone and I'll go to Reddit and then it pulls up the app instead.

01:19:08.000 Oh, that's so annoying.

01:19:09.000 And it keeps telling you to do it.

01:19:10.000 And there's been periods where I've had to do, like, I've been out, right?

01:19:14.000 So, like, I'll record everything and then I'll leave.

01:19:16.000 And then I'll get a notification from, like, someone will message me and be like, oh, hey, there was a typo in the thumbnail or something.

01:19:21.000 Or a typo in the title.

01:19:23.000 So I'll have to go in To make changes, but every time I go to the browser to try and log into the browser, it pulls up the YouTube app and then not the actual studio.

01:19:36.000 So I have to actually delete the YouTube app because the apps all connect to each other.

01:19:42.000 Exactly.

01:19:42.000 The browser should be independent from other apps.

01:19:45.000 If I'm in the browser and I need to pull up a site for a specific reason, and I can't remember the specific reason, but I think it's because The YouTube studio app doesn't actually allow you to affect, I think, monetization.

01:19:55.000 You have to go into the browser to do it, but then the browser default pulls up the YouTube app, not even the studio app, and then I can't go in.

01:20:02.000 So I delete YouTube from my phone, log in, fix it, then reinstall YouTube.

01:20:06.000 You might be able to fix that in settings and have it so it doesn't auto default to the app.

01:20:10.000 Yeah, ultimately, that's what I ended up doing.

01:20:13.000 Something like that.

01:20:14.000 Like, don't switch.

01:20:15.000 Have you guys looked into setting up anything that allows you to mine cryptocurrency on your phone while it's active?

01:20:23.000 The problem with that is, I mean, we could give you the option to do that, but your phone...

01:20:28.000 is it doesn't have this headphone is a great processor, but for a literal like Bitcoin

01:20:33.000 mining that takes like a huge amount of processing.

01:20:36.000 Could you tap into a mesh network and be part of a group of nodes that we're mining?

01:20:41.000 I don't think the money would end up being worth it for you.

01:20:43.000 So yeah, you could, but I don't think it'd be worth it for you.

01:20:46.000 500 bucks is steep, man.

01:20:47.000 499.

01:20:48.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, we give coupon codes $50 off and people can pay monthly if they want to and all that.

01:20:54.000 But yeah, I mean, to me, I mean, you know, you see the phone feels as good.

01:20:58.000 I mean, you have $1,000 iPhones, even $1,300 iPhones.

01:21:01.000 We didn't want to like cheap out on, in my opinion, the quality.

01:21:03.000 You know, I'm thinking about it because I'm like, I understand, you know, some of the arguments people make.

01:21:08.000 They're like, dude, the A9 is cheap.

01:21:09.000 And I'm like, if I wanted to buy the phone right now and I wanted to get someone without them having to worry about it, I want to get them a phone that's not being tracked, that's got these apps that have been censored they can get access to.

01:21:21.000 That's going to be hard for me to do.

01:21:22.000 Like, I'm thinking, you know, what if I were to just buy a hundred of these A9s and then just go through them and then load up a new operating system?

01:21:30.000 There'd have to be so much stuff you'd have to do to make sure it works and quality control.

01:21:33.000 I probably won't be able to do that.

01:21:35.000 I gotta be honest, I think 500 bucks sounds steep, but I stand by what I was saying earlier that If your device does what it says it does, and you're

01:21:42.000 providing a service effectively, hardware be damned.

01:21:44.000 If it's a service that provides people with instant access to a clean operating system that doesn't track them and

01:21:50.000 provides them a way around censorship, that's seriously...

01:21:53.000 it's massive.

01:21:54.000 Also, you're not using slave labor, right?

01:21:56.000 Yeah, no.

01:21:58.000 And that's another thing.

01:22:00.000 To me, I feel like the real story of this is that Apple... I always thought it'd be great if some president had put sanctions on the import of any goods made by slave labor because that would just shut down a lot of these big phone companies and hold everything up because it's bad. 0.97

01:22:19.000 Yeah, but then the American people would be like, why does my phone cost 10 grand?

01:22:23.000 I mean, you know, I think, well, trust me, we make this phone.

01:22:27.000 It doesn't have to.

01:22:28.000 It doesn't have to cost that much if you're not using that kind of labor and all that.

01:22:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:33.000 Yeah.

01:22:34.000 Hong Kong has got problems right now, but I don't...

01:22:36.000 Yeah.

01:22:37.000 Well, actually, I don't know for sure.

01:22:39.000 Foxconn's not in Hong Kong.

01:22:40.000 They're in Taiwan.

01:22:41.000 They're in Taiwan.

01:22:42.000 Really?

01:22:43.000 Well, they have stuff from all over.

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:46.000 I mean, exactly.

01:22:47.000 Wait, Foxconn is in Taiwan?

01:22:48.000 I believe they're a Taiwanese company.

01:22:49.000 Fact check me.

01:22:51.000 New York Times fact check me right now.

01:22:52.000 Eric, isn't an iPhone like $1,000?

01:22:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:22:56.000 An iPhone is like $1,000.

01:22:57.000 Shenzhen.

01:22:58.000 I thought it was Shenzhen.

01:22:58.000 Oh, okay.

01:22:59.000 That's where all the people are committing suicide.

01:22:59.000 You're right.

01:22:59.000 Shenzhen.

01:23:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:02.000 I'm glad.

01:23:02.000 Okay, good.

01:23:03.000 Because I was like, I was like, I like Taiwan, you know, and all that.

01:23:05.000 Yeah, I thought it was Shenzhen.

01:23:07.000 Yeah, New York Times fact check me.

01:23:09.000 But yeah, I mean, with the phone at the operating system level, yeah, it's completely de-googled, you know, it has its own app store and all that.

01:23:14.000 So you're not relying on the Google Play Store or anything.

01:23:17.000 And, uh, and we, you know, like, you know, trying to sideload apps or all that for, I mean, the thing about this phone is a lot of just normal people that aren't, aren't like, yeah, trying to jailbreak their phones, root their phones and all that got that.

01:23:29.000 And then, yeah, I mean, that's, that's, It's just a huge problem that we're reliant on, in my opinion, anti-free speech hardware.

01:23:36.000 It's ironic to me that Apple's motto used to be, think different, and now they ban apps who think different.

01:23:41.000 Or Google, which was, do no evil, and now it's company policy.

01:23:47.000 They got rid of that motto.

01:23:49.000 And all that.

01:23:49.000 And that's why I think, you know, like, you know, we're a startup, but ultimately, and I don't have like a PR team of like a thousand people like these people, like I'm just, you know, coming on this podcast, you know, you know, just trying to share the word.

01:24:04.000 But I mean, it's just, if we don't have our own hardware, in my opinion, we're screwed.

01:24:10.000 It's the weirdest thing that people were like, saying it's a honeypot.

01:24:13.000 Like, buying the phone is a trap.

01:24:14.000 I'm like, what do you think your phone already does out of the box?

01:24:16.000 It's a honeypot.

01:24:17.000 Welcome to modern technology.

01:24:19.000 Smartphones are honeypots.

01:24:20.000 They wouldn't attack me this much if it was.

01:24:22.000 And then two, yeah, I mean, they've doxxed my money.

01:24:24.000 Unless...

01:24:25.000 They're trying to convince everyone you're on the level by attacking you, saying, see?

01:24:28.000 Look, they're attacking him.

01:24:29.000 That must prove it.

01:24:30.000 The double-double cross.

01:24:32.000 Yes, the false flag, false flag, false flag.

01:24:34.000 Well, because of these articles and because of Will Summers' article, my mom got doxxed and all that, and they're releasing... That is a coordinated harassment campaign from Will Summers.

01:24:43.000 In my opinion.

01:24:48.000 Luckily my mom's Scottish so she's tough. 1.00

01:24:50.000 She was tough growing up in the best way possible.

01:24:53.000 She's an incredibly smart woman and a great mother. 0.98

01:24:56.000 She worked on the, I mean, she's an incredibly smart woman and a great mother. 0.99

01:25:00.000 She worked on the Star Wars project under Reagan and all that.

01:25:06.000 And then, yeah, so they're trying to say like I'm this honeypot and all that just because my mom, you know,

01:25:11.000 worked on a project under the Reagan administration and all that.

01:25:15.000 And I mean, it's crazy.

01:25:18.000 honestly that my mom has gone to.

01:25:19.000 I mean, coming to the political world, I almost like, I mean, I knew what was coming in the

01:25:24.000 sense of, you know, but I was so well liked by the left-wing media.

01:25:28.000 You know, I was doing interviews with them and all that, and I was fine.

01:25:31.000 I wanted to give it up because for free speech and all that.

01:25:34.000 I mean, it sounds cheesy, but it's actually true.

01:25:39.000 But to me to see like, yeah, my mom get doxxed, you know, these people write fake articles, 1.00

01:25:44.000 and for people that hadn't even touched the phone yet, I mean.

01:25:48.000 It's amazing when I think about how we got to this point.

01:25:50.000 I'm still shell-shocked, honestly.

01:25:52.000 I was talking about algorithmic psychosis, and I'm thinking about it from the perspective of the psychopaths who live in the mirror world, in the upside-down or whatever.

01:26:05.000 How did we come to this position of knowing computers?

01:26:09.000 Look, we knew about Bitcoin in the early days.

01:26:12.000 Most people didn't even find out about Bitcoin until 2016 or something.

01:26:15.000 And I'm like, I was on the internet as long as I can remember.

01:26:18.000 My family had CompuServe on DOS.

01:26:20.000 So then we got Windows 3.1, we had AOL.

01:26:24.000 I've always had access to the internet to learn and read whatever I wanted.

01:26:27.000 And I guess that makes you a deviant because you have access to the summation of human knowledge, or so much knowledge at the time.

01:26:34.000 Regular people, other millennials, didn't get the internet until they were teenagers.

01:26:38.000 So they didn't necessarily grow up with it as heavily.

01:26:40.000 Like, I was programming stuff, I was doing video games, I was doing Flash animations and Flash websites when I was, like, 12 or 13.

01:26:46.000 That's amazing.

01:26:47.000 Yeah, I built my first computer when I was, like, 7.

01:26:49.000 So here I am with all the access to this information, totally independent.

01:26:52.000 These other people don't.

01:26:54.000 And I think that might be where this, like, hard bifurcation starts.

01:26:58.000 The people who are Internet-savvy, who understand the rules of the Internet, don't argue with trolls, it means they win.

01:27:04.000 But then you get these other kids who aren't internet-savvy, and they're just watching nothing but this horror content.

01:27:09.000 And so they become insane, and we become discerning.

01:27:14.000 Mm-hmm, and then you get tough to say cuz me and Eric are both.

01:27:17.000 We're like almost different generations.

01:27:18.000 You're 22 We're both internet dudes like I didn't get in at a 16 AOL, but I'm still like that 1996 or four or five or something 1994.

01:27:18.000 I'm 42.

01:27:22.000 Both internet dudes.

01:27:23.000 Like, I didn't get internet until I was 16, AOL, but I'm still like.

01:27:26.000 So what year was that?

01:27:27.000 1996 or four, five or something, 1994, I think.

01:27:31.000 What year were you born?

01:27:32.000 79.

01:27:33.000 79, 79.

01:27:34.000 Yeah, so right around there.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, I feel like it, man.

01:27:37.000 Just barely?

01:27:38.000 But it's the critical thinking skills.

01:27:39.000 And I don't know if it matters when you were born if you're going to have critical thinking skills.

01:27:44.000 Realizing what you see isn't necessarily... Like, if you see something a thousand times, that doesn't mean that it happened a thousand times.

01:27:52.000 I don't know.

01:27:53.000 What do you...

01:27:54.000 I don't know.

01:27:56.000 I just think that there's two, um, different universes that exist.

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:00.000 It seems like there are people who live in the paranoid, you know, it's really funny.

01:28:04.000 Uh, there's this very, very high profile podcaster who apparently, um, said that I was one of these people who, who's too, too online.

01:28:12.000 And, uh, you know, like, oh, there's these, these people that just too online and they live in this world.

01:28:18.000 And I'm like, The people on the left who believe in all of this algorithmic psychosis and are completely unaware of it, they're the people who are too online.

01:28:29.000 The people who believe that Donald Trump was a Russian agent, that's because of the too online people.

01:28:35.000 I'm afraid that it's their lack of critical thinking skills and if they just watched a lot of like violent action movies, they'd think that that was normal too.

01:28:43.000 They've been... How do you tell someone who's spent 15 years of their 25-year life that everything they've seen and experienced on social media as they were growing up and learned was wrong?

01:28:57.000 You encouraged them to take psilocybin.

01:28:59.000 That's the only way.

01:29:00.000 Here's an example.

01:29:01.000 Imagine you're in an aircraft hangar.

01:29:03.000 Massive.

01:29:04.000 We're talking like 50, 80,000 square feet.

01:29:06.000 This massive aircraft hangar.

01:29:10.000 And we're all looking around at stuff, constantly walking over and asking, what's that?

01:29:13.000 Ooh, that's interesting.

01:29:14.000 And these people are in the corner, staring at the corner of the room, pointing, thinking that's reality.

01:29:22.000 It's almost like the allegory of the shadows in the cave.

01:29:27.000 That they've been sitting in this cave, seeing nothing but police brutality shadow puppets.

01:29:32.000 And so when you're at the door of the cave yelling, that's not real life. 0.99

01:29:37.000 They're like, you're crazy.

01:29:39.000 These people are conspiracy theorists. 0.99

01:29:41.000 It's a rabbit hole.

01:29:42.000 I can't remember the exact quote from Breitbart about walking towards the fire.

01:29:48.000 You know, people think, I can't remember the exact quote, but someone said to me something similar, so it might not be Breitbart, that people are scared to walk towards the fire because they think they'll get burned, but on the other side is freedom.

01:29:59.000 And you know, you walk past it and then everything's normal and you're fine.

01:30:02.000 These people are trapped in the cave now.

01:30:03.000 Yeah, because the shadows on the wall, it is real life.

01:30:06.000 It's just one tiny fragment of real life.

01:30:09.000 Right, exactly.

01:30:10.000 So they're living in this paranoid, delusional state. 0.98

01:30:13.000 Look at what they say when they're like, when they say things like police are hunting black people.

01:30:18.000 You we know that's not real, but imagine you're 18 and you were eight years old and you had no no life experience 0.62

01:30:18.000 Geez. 0.62

01:30:26.000 You were playing hopscotch a few years later. You get on Facebook for the first time and what do you see?

01:30:30.000 Remember that book we had with um, azra Yeah

01:30:36.000 The CRT book?

01:30:36.000 It was the book where the little kid was, like, seeing a video on the internet, like, eight-year-old kid, and then saying, like, Mommy, what's this?

01:30:43.000 And the mom's like, No, don't watch this.

01:30:45.000 And then the little girl finally snaps one day, like, I know the truth about what the police are doing!

01:30:50.000 It's because people realize you'll make money off of police brutality videos.

01:30:55.000 Well, I think I figured out how to get through to these people.

01:30:57.000 Or maybe something that can help is my mom.

01:31:00.000 I used to play video games a lot.

01:31:01.000 My mom would be like, it's not real.

01:31:02.000 This isn't real.

01:31:04.000 But what she didn't realize is if she just told me this is real, but there's more.

01:31:09.000 Look, these are also things that are real.

01:31:11.000 So acknowledge that what I was doing is real.

01:31:13.000 Like if I'm playing a video game and it's a character and a story in my mind, That is reality.

01:31:17.000 It's just a fragment of this greater reality.

01:31:20.000 So if you acknowledge, like, critical race, all these theories and things, yeah, they are real. 0.99

01:31:26.000 They are valid concepts, but there's more.

01:31:29.000 There's a meme where it's like, there's this guy playing video games.

01:31:32.000 And then his dad walks in and he goes, hey, do you want to play this cool new game?

01:31:36.000 Basically, you have to go on adventures.

01:31:38.000 You try and raise money to buy certain, to buy artifacts and items to improve your character's stats, become better equipped, stronger, and faster.

01:31:45.000 Make friends.

01:31:46.000 And then, and he's like, yeah, you make friends along the way.

01:31:48.000 And the dude's like, wow, sounds awesome.

01:31:49.000 And then he shoves him out the door and he's like, have fun.

01:31:52.000 It's life, dude!

01:31:53.000 Life imitates art and all that stuff, you know?

01:31:56.000 Shall we read superchats?

01:31:57.000 Yes!

01:31:58.000 Let's read all the superchats if you haven't already.

01:31:58.000 Let's go!

01:32:00.000 Give that like button a little tap. 0.96

01:32:03.000 Subscribe to this channel and become a member at TimCast.com so that we can hire more and more and more journalists.

01:32:08.000 The next person we're gonna hire is probably the fact checker and their whole job is gonna be just to read the website and then yell at us. 0.92

01:32:14.000 Yeah!

01:32:15.000 And then they're gonna have like a Is it gonna be New York Times fact-check level, though?

01:32:20.000 It's gonna be, like... So, I'm... We're gonna be, like, so strict with our fact-checking.

01:32:26.000 Like, not even just checking facts, but also checking framing.

01:32:26.000 Good.

01:32:30.000 Like, if someone says, you know, Ian is... Ian Crossland, comma, the absurdly skinny co-host from Timcast IRL, comma, we'd be like, absurdly skinny?

01:32:41.000 That's poor framing.

01:32:42.000 We gotta, you know... That's opinion.

01:32:43.000 You can call him skinny, I guess, but absurdly?

01:32:46.000 Like, we don't need those adjectives in this.

01:32:47.000 So I actually had an email.

01:32:48.000 Someone emailed me saying they were upset about an article.

01:32:50.000 Not upset, but they were like, hey, this article's like really loaded.

01:32:53.000 And I went and saw it, and I was like, aw, jeez.

01:32:54.000 And I had to go in.

01:32:55.000 I went in and immediately issued a correction. 0.96

01:32:56.000 Like, none of that loaded garbage.

01:32:59.000 So we're actually planning on covering a lot of the election audits and stuff like that.

01:33:05.000 And so we're going to have like the statements from the Democrats and what they've been saying about it, statements from the Republicans.

01:33:10.000 But we're not going to play stupid games with framing and adjectives.

01:33:13.000 We're just going to be like, here's what they're saying, here's what they're saying. 0.91

01:33:15.000 You decide.

01:33:15.000 Beautiful.

01:33:16.000 Let's read these superchats!

01:33:18.000 Alright, let's see.

01:33:18.000 Give them to me.

01:33:20.000 TheCurlyAfro says, for women being drafted, proved they're a separated, lightweight, quick-moving force. 1.00

01:33:26.000 Integrated forces is horrible idea for reasons.

01:33:29.000 As a former FMF hospital corpsman, third class, sexual assault is a giant issue and problem in the military for both genders.

01:33:35.000 It is, yeah.

01:33:36.000 Wow.

01:33:39.000 VelvetSchwinker says, freedom phone is as good of a phone as Lin Wood is a lawyer. 0.99

01:33:45.000 That's pretty good.

01:33:47.000 That's hilarious, honestly.

01:33:49.000 The Dashing Rogue says, is the Freedom Phone the Umidigi A9 Pro?

01:33:52.000 I believe it's actually just the Umidigi A9, or comparable to.

01:33:55.000 That's the specs that I pulled up.

01:33:57.000 We have slightly different specs.

01:33:58.000 You can look at the specs on freedomphone.com, and there's a specs button right in the nav bar.

01:34:02.000 So feel free to look at it.

01:34:03.000 It's a custom phone, and it has different parts, but no.

01:34:07.000 And obviously the different operating system as well.

01:34:10.000 They say, I read your company's privacy policy, and I'm wondering if you sell your company, where does my data go?

01:34:15.000 Where does all your data go?

01:34:16.000 So, yeah, I mean, all that we do in our privacy policy is we say, hey, we track just your name and your address if you buy a phone, and that's it.

01:34:25.000 So, if you want to do, like, a return, and one, I don't want to sell, and then two, even if somehow, you know, that happened, and one, I really don't think I will, even if somehow that happened, you know, it would just be your name and the address if there's, like, a return or something, and those are all kept private.

01:34:45.000 Alright, Warframe4theWin says, does the Freedom phone have physical hardware switches like the Pine phone and Librem 5?

01:34:52.000 Um, no, that's something we want to add.

01:34:54.000 We feel very confident, like you can literally go in at, you know, in your settings and in a much better way just like literally turn things off.

01:35:01.000 We want to be able to add that, but I think the problem with those other phones, although I like anyone doing, honestly, a secure phone, that's something we want to do, but yeah, the problem, we wanted to make a phone that was usable, and in calling, that was one of the first things that, when making a privacy security phone, is that it was usable for a normal person, and I tried out all the privacy phones, and a big problem was, although they were secure, so I love that, I love that part, but they just weren't usable. So that kind of ended up

01:35:29.000 affecting the usability.

01:35:30.000 And at the operating system level, we just feel so confident. But I think that's something we

01:35:34.000 want to add in the future, maybe a Freedom Phone 2. What was the problem with the usability with

01:35:38.000 those? It just ended up making it like super insanely bulky.

01:35:44.000 Um, and that was a problem.

01:35:45.000 Like physically large?

01:35:46.000 Yeah, physically large.

01:35:48.000 So that was a problem on our side.

01:35:50.000 And, uh, and it didn't really fit in the hand well.

01:35:52.000 So we had like a bunch of prototypes at our design lab.

01:35:55.000 Um, and, uh, so we ended up going with this option as the best option.

01:35:58.000 We felt very confident the operating system level security was good enough.

01:36:02.000 And we're going to, real quick, we're going to open source actually the operating system coming up as well.

01:36:02.000 Right on.

01:36:06.000 So that way people can look at it.

01:36:08.000 Cool.

01:36:09.000 Shepperton Studios says, Hey guys, just joined Timcast.com today.

01:36:12.000 Love the content.

01:36:13.000 Are there any plans to be able to cast to Chromecast, et cetera?

01:36:16.000 We want to watch on TV.

01:36:17.000 Yes!

01:36:18.000 So, there's only so much people can do.

01:36:22.000 The website is launched.

01:36:23.000 We're doing the bug checks now, making sure everything works because, you know, it's like you fix one bug and then 10 more pop up and then you're playing Whack-A-Mole for a bit.

01:36:30.000 Then we're going to do the mobile app because we want to make sure people can listen to the show while their screen is off.

01:36:35.000 And then we're going to be doing what's called OTT over the top.

01:36:37.000 So that's like Roku players, Apple TV, Amazon, all that stuff.

01:36:41.000 You'll be able to pull up the shows.

01:36:43.000 So we're, we're heading in that direction.

01:36:45.000 And we also are planning on doing more and more content right now.

01:36:47.000 If you're a member, you get the members only podcast episodes.

01:36:51.000 When the next week or so, we're going to have a new show, which is going to be, I just call it like mysteries and spooky stories, but you'll see the launch and we're working on the graphics and the, and the branding and all that stuff.

01:37:01.000 All right.

01:37:02.000 Let's see.

01:37:04.000 Jonathan Duger says, not naming that other production when confronted about it is not a good look.

01:37:09.000 And it seemed like a deflection seems a little shady.

01:37:11.000 Referring to the factory, the other factory.

01:37:13.000 I'll literally post on the website after this.

01:37:15.000 It's just, uh, it's just in a name I can't pronounce.

01:37:18.000 Like it's literally that.

01:37:19.000 And we just added, you know, so it sounds shady.

01:37:21.000 It's like, I can't say the Asian word.

01:37:22.000 I can't say it.

01:37:23.000 So I feel like, I feel like that's it.

01:37:25.000 I'll put it up on the website for anyone that's concerned.

01:37:28.000 So I guess, uh, I guess I, I guess I have a little bit of an ego. 0.86

01:37:31.000 I don't like looking stupid, but you should write it on a card and just like hold it up. 0.94

01:37:34.000 Right in the car, yeah. 0.88

01:37:36.000 Lua Coder says, Tim, there are certain Samsung phones that are bootloader locked and you cannot install custom operating systems.

01:37:43.000 Some people are stuck with that.

01:37:44.000 Yes, I've experienced that.

01:37:45.000 That's annoying.

01:37:48.000 All right, let's see.

01:37:51.000 Brenton Deon says, this phone comes out right after the story of intelligence agencies making and distributing the same type of ghost phones to a crime ring.

01:37:59.000 And this is being sold as the perfect phone for dissidents, not suspect at all.

01:38:03.000 Yeah, I mean this goes back to like this week.

01:38:05.000 I mean, that's why I said just overall it's been weird I guess weird and amazing to get in in my opinion the political realm like yeah Just like people accusing my mom of you know, basically being deep state and helping me with this I mean, that's that's the kind of stuff that that that it's weird to experience because I don't think that they would Be attacking me this hard and I guess again, you're right.

01:38:25.000 Maybe there's you know, it's a double cross or whatever but I mean, I like I I'm funding this whole thing myself So I have, like, no other investors, no anything.

01:38:34.000 I mean, the CIA literally has a venture arm and all that, which is not a lot of people know that.

01:38:39.000 But yeah, I mean, honestly, I would be living a much better life, I feel, if they were supportive of me.

01:38:46.000 And I would never accept that.

01:38:48.000 I just got to shout this out right now.

01:38:50.000 Someone's, uh, Soleil Cucumber Lime says, if you use Brave browser, there is a setting to allow video playback in the background, AKA this with a screen off.

01:38:59.000 Oh, we did mention that before someone super chatted us.

01:39:02.000 I use the Brave browser for everything.

01:39:03.000 Brave is amazing.

01:39:05.000 That's the default browser on the phone.

01:39:07.000 Yeah.

01:39:08.000 Hey, there you go.

01:39:09.000 Yeah.

01:39:10.000 Brave is the default browser.

01:39:11.000 DuckDuckGo default search engine.

01:39:13.000 It's right on the home screen.

01:39:14.000 I love Brave.

01:39:15.000 Yeah.

01:39:16.000 Oscar Oliu says, Eric, if you want people to trust you, you need to release the source code for Freedom OS and have it available for compiling.

01:39:22.000 Ian, would you say, free the code?

01:39:25.000 I would like to free the code.

01:39:26.000 Yeah.

01:39:26.000 I mean, the goal is, is to be able, so, you know, yeah, we want to, like, like I said earlier, we're going to be open sourcing the, uh, the operating system code on this.

01:39:34.000 And then, yeah, I mean, if you want to be able to.

01:39:36.000 Uh, not even go through us, you know, and all that and, uh, uh, and get your own, you know, install it yourself and go through that difficult process.

01:39:44.000 You know, you can do that for free.

01:39:45.000 Oh, so you could, you, you're going to, well, that's the plan.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 And people can just take and do it.

01:39:49.000 I mean, to me, this, the phone is just about making it easy for people.

01:39:52.000 So it's all in one device.

01:39:53.000 So you don't have to be good at, you know.

01:39:56.000 Have you looked at using like an MIT license, like a copyleft license, so that if people take the code and change it, those changes have to remain free also?

01:40:05.000 Actually, we should do that for that.

01:40:05.000 Oh, that's a good idea.

01:40:06.000 Cause to me, that would be the most important thing is that, you know, people weren't, you know, that way they can make, it just continues on.

01:40:13.000 Zanroff says the spec site says it uses FreedomOS.

01:40:16.000 But when I Google what that is, I get a logo that looks similar to the Red Salute.

01:40:20.000 That's troublesome at face value.

01:40:22.000 Am I missing something?

01:40:23.000 Yeah, that's a different operating system.

01:40:26.000 I think that's Linux-based and all that, but yeah, I mean, that's just a different one that's, I believe, open source as well and all that.

01:40:34.000 And then, yeah, it has the red fist.

01:40:37.000 Ours is a blue shield on a phone.

01:40:40.000 There's a lot of superchats as I'm scrolling through that you literally just answered.

01:40:40.000 It's really interesting.

01:40:43.000 Like, YayGod says, Can we jailbreak our own Android phones and flash your custom ROM and effectively do the same thing with our existing phones?

01:40:51.000 That's the plan and hopefully for, you know, when we release this.

01:40:53.000 I mean, we just want to get this out there and then yeah, I guess there's maybe been some marketing greenness, if you will.

01:41:00.000 But yeah, I mean, you know, people sent us a lot of requests like, hey, can you open source this?

01:41:04.000 And we're like, yeah, I mean, the goal is to be able to have anyone be, you know, have the ability to flash, you know, to be able to be secure and have all that.

01:41:12.000 I mean, we incorporate a lot of stuff at the, you know, kind of that hardware-software marriage on our own phone.

01:41:17.000 But yeah, I mean, the goal is to be able, or if you want to be able to flash, if you're tech, if you have the technical know-how to flash it on your phone, you can do that for free.

01:41:24.000 That's the plan.

01:41:26.000 Qui-Gon says, Kevin Smith lied.

01:41:28.000 He-Man died. 0.76

01:41:29.000 F-Hollywood.

01:41:30.000 Well, I haven't watched the new Master of the Universe, but I guess people are saying that Kevin Smith ruined it or something.

01:41:34.000 Apparently, Teela is the sorceress of Greyskull.

01:41:37.000 That's the female lead character. 1.00

01:41:39.000 She was kind of like a side character in the original He-Man, but now apparently she's one of the lead roles.

01:41:43.000 What does that mean?

01:41:43.000 That means she has the power now?

01:41:45.000 I don't know.

01:41:46.000 I didn't look into it.

01:41:46.000 It looked so weird.

01:41:49.000 He-Man's the beast.

01:41:51.000 He is.

01:41:52.000 Prince Adam.

01:41:53.000 I love He-Man.

01:41:53.000 You look like Prince Adam.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, honestly, it's been interesting because I remember back when I was liked by the left-wing media, I did a New York Magazine thing and they made me look so nerdy.

01:42:06.000 They combed my hair to the side, maybe buttoned up my shirt.

01:42:10.000 And look like a total nerd.

01:42:11.000 I guess I am a nerd at heart.

01:42:13.000 I went to a photo shoot once for Spin Magazine.

01:42:17.000 And they wanted me to look a certain way.

01:42:20.000 And the first thing was like, okay, now take off the beanie.

01:42:22.000 And I was like, no, I'm not doing that.

01:42:24.000 No, it's the look.

01:42:25.000 And then she was like, you have to.

01:42:26.000 We're not doing the shoot.

01:42:27.000 And I was like, I stood up, grabbed my bag.

01:42:30.000 And I looked at my friend.

01:42:30.000 And I was like, all right.

01:42:31.000 I'm like, yeah, get the door.

01:42:32.000 And then she goes, wait, wait, what are you doing?

01:42:33.000 And I was like, I'm leaving.

01:42:35.000 She's like, but we're doing a shoot.

01:42:36.000 And I'm like, The hat's staying on!

01:42:38.000 The beanie's iconic.

01:42:39.000 She goes, there's only one person I've ever let keep the hat on, and it's The Edge, and you are not The Edge.

01:42:44.000 And then I was like, okay.

01:42:46.000 And then I started walking towards the door again.

01:42:47.000 She goes, fine! 0.99

01:42:47.000 And then I went back and sat down. 0.99

01:42:49.000 Modeling sucks, man. 0.99

01:42:50.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a tough job. 0.99

01:42:51.000 Like doing photo shoots?

01:42:52.000 I know.

01:42:53.000 They make your body in a weird pose.

01:42:55.000 They're like, pull your back up, now twist your arm to the right, and then they put clips all over your back, and you're like... And then they make, like, now don't move for a minute.

01:43:04.000 And I'm like, okay!

01:43:06.000 It's painful.

01:43:07.000 If you can't breathe, you can't move.

01:43:08.000 It's a job, honestly.

01:43:09.000 It's a job.

01:43:09.000 No, it's a lifestyle.

01:43:10.000 It's a lifestyle.

01:43:11.000 It's crazy.

01:43:11.000 You gotta watch what you eat.

01:43:12.000 That's annoying.

01:43:14.000 I can't do that.

01:43:14.000 Here's a good one.

01:43:15.000 on Mike Tacha says, Piracy is small-scale communism. 1.00

01:43:18.000 You take away the means of production from the original creator and give it to any idiot 0.99

01:43:21.000 that can click a link. 0.99

01:43:22.000 It dilutes the essence of the work.

01:43:24.000 Yeah.

01:43:24.000 Interesting.

01:43:25.000 I actually think communists should be mad about piracy, too.

01:43:28.000 Like, if there is a dude and he's like, I have designed this this great image, and would you like to buy it?

01:43:34.000 No.

01:43:34.000 Picture, picture, picture, picture.

01:43:36.000 Now everyone has a version of it.

01:43:36.000 And you're like, but I worked so hard to make this.

01:43:39.000 Do I, am I not deserving of access to food and, and, and, and.

01:43:43.000 Well, people copying your information doesn't mean you can't sell it.

01:43:46.000 That's the thing I think people need to understand.

01:43:49.000 Value comes from the scarcity of the object.

01:43:51.000 No, no, not necessarily.

01:43:52.000 Scarcity is involved in that, but also quality.

01:43:56.000 So if somebody makes something and then everybody just has it, why would someone give him money?

01:44:04.000 If everyone has it, that means it's probably something that needs to be commons.

01:44:08.000 Like a song.

01:44:11.000 No, Commons is in Common License.

01:44:12.000 So like, I write a song, and then it took us several months to make Will of the People.

01:44:20.000 And so, for me, that was kind of just like, you know, a side project.

01:44:24.000 I'm not worried about losing money on it.

01:44:27.000 It was expensive, we're not gonna make a million bucks off of it or anything.

01:44:30.000 But maybe, there's a hope, maybe it'll sell, we'll make money.

01:44:33.000 But we're in a new era, honestly, people listen to that on YouTube.

01:44:36.000 But all of that work we put into that, If it was any other person, and they took off time from their, like, this is their job, and it's entertainment, people value it, and they want it, and then everyone gets it for free, how does he get the money to buy the instruments?

01:44:50.000 How does he get the money to pay for the recording process?

01:44:52.000 How does he do more?

01:44:54.000 You sell the song for 99 cents a download.

01:44:56.000 That doesn't mean... just because a million more people get it for free doesn't mean you're not going to be able to sell a bunch of more copies of the song.

01:45:02.000 Well, that's a million dollars.

01:45:03.000 It literally does.

01:45:04.000 Yeah, but those people may not have bought it.

01:45:06.000 In fact, usually when people copy things for free, it's because they can't afford things.

01:45:10.000 And I think that proliferating the information... And there's a large percentage of people who would have bought it who don't.

01:45:15.000 Maybe.

01:45:15.000 You don't know.

01:45:16.000 But I think proliferating the information... We do.

01:45:18.000 I think that proliferating the information makes people more excited for that information.

01:45:18.000 I mean, that's true.

01:45:23.000 For the regular person who says, if it costs me $10,000 to work to produce this song, I at least need to make $10,000 back, and then everyone copies it and shares it online, and now the guy makes no money, his business ceases to exist.

01:45:35.000 It actually happened with Kick-Ass.

01:45:38.000 Kick-Ass 3 got shut down because Kick-Ass 2 got pirated so much that they said, we didn't recuperate our losses, we're not gonna do another movie.

01:45:46.000 It's not worth it.

01:45:46.000 Nick Cage was in the first one, right?

01:45:48.000 He was in the first one.

01:45:49.000 My understanding is it didn't do well enough.

01:45:52.000 It was like, people liked it, and we could do another one.

01:45:54.000 The second one was like, people liked it, but everybody pirated it.

01:45:58.000 We didn't make enough money.

01:45:59.000 And the movie sucked, so... Kick-Ass 2 didn't suck.

01:45:59.000 We don't care to do it again.

01:46:02.000 Well, you just said it was like, eh, that sucks. 0.74

01:46:03.000 I'm talking about the revenue.

01:46:05.000 I thought Kick-Ass 1 and 2 were awesome.

01:46:07.000 I would have loved to see Part 3.

01:46:08.000 The problem is people pirated it, and then they didn't make enough money, so they didn't want to do it again.

01:46:12.000 You don't want people to copy and sell your content.

01:46:15.000 It's not about selling, it's about if they're going to invest $100 million in a movie, they at least need to make $100 million.

01:46:21.000 Now I know Hollywood plays dirty games with how they calculate revenue and everything like that, but what happens is they go, how much did we get back on this?

01:46:30.000 We got pirated like crazy.

01:46:31.000 They do, but we're not making money.

01:46:31.000 So people like it.

01:46:33.000 Scrap it.

01:46:35.000 Now I don't get to watch a movie I like because people don't want to pay for it.

01:46:38.000 I don't even think pirating things means that people like it.

01:46:40.000 I don't like that word pirate.

01:46:41.000 Right.

01:46:42.000 I liked the movie and people pirated it.

01:46:44.000 So now I don't get to... Yeah, but them copying the movie doesn't mean that they liked the movie.

01:46:48.000 They just wanted to see it.

01:46:49.000 What does that have to do with anything?

01:46:50.000 You just said that a hundred million people pirated it so they like it.

01:46:54.000 That doesn't mean they like it.

01:46:55.000 I didn't say that.

01:46:55.000 I said, I liked the movie and then people pirated it.

01:46:58.000 So now I don't get to see the sequel.

01:47:01.000 I think artists being able to make money is just really important, and I think, you know, I understand if people can't afford it, but then, you know, I feel like if the artist wants it to be available for free, you know, that should be his choice rather than, you know, just some guy.

01:47:15.000 And again, I feel like a lot of it is just a lot of people trying to cheap out, and 10% of it... This is inherently like...

01:47:22.000 I wouldn't even call this a leftist worldview because the left hates the idea of exploitation of the working class.

01:47:27.000 This is just like... What we're doing with the Fediverse project is an act of charity, in a sense.

01:47:36.000 That I can plan out funding for a project and people can donate their time to it to give something for free to a lot of people.

01:47:45.000 But there's a lot of people, we've already had this conversation, who need to work full-time to make this thing happen.

01:47:50.000 Okay, I can and will provide funding to make sure we make the world a better place.

01:47:55.000 Because I'm not worried about it.

01:47:57.000 TimCast is successful.

01:47:58.000 And that means, what are we going to do?

01:48:01.000 Like I said, I don't want to buy a Ferrari.

01:48:03.000 I want to make the Fediverse app so that people can live better lives and have their speech and their rights protected.

01:48:08.000 Now, as for that person who's going to do the hard coding, he needs to eat food.

01:48:12.000 He needs to actually have a house.

01:48:14.000 I have to give him money to do it.

01:48:16.000 What if he said, okay, I'm going to work on a project that's going to make everyone's lives a lot better, and he didn't have access to funding.

01:48:23.000 Who's going to pay for it if everyone just takes the code and then rips it from him?

01:48:26.000 How can he actually work 40 hours a week and then get nothing back for it?

01:48:29.000 Because it's not stealing to take his hard work from him.

01:48:31.000 This is what I'm talking about.

01:48:32.000 You need a technical solution because people are going to copy information.

01:48:35.000 It's never going to stop.

01:48:37.000 Sure.

01:48:37.000 The whole idea of an artist being able to make money didn't exist until the 1920s, until radio.

01:48:42.000 That's not true at all, dude.

01:48:44.000 There was no mass media.

01:48:46.000 A singer and musician would have to go play shows at an inn every night to make dinner for the night.

01:48:51.000 That's about any industry, Ian.

01:48:54.000 I'm talking about entertainment.

01:48:55.000 That has nothing to do with it.

01:48:57.000 Movies and TV, digital art.

01:48:58.000 It didn't exist 150 years ago.

01:49:00.000 It's new art.

01:49:01.000 Stealing architecture blueprints and copying them and pasting them is the same thing.

01:49:05.000 No, it's very different.

01:49:07.000 Stealing someone's blueprints is very different than making a copy of them.

01:49:11.000 What?

01:49:12.000 I'm literally talking about if someone designs a building and comes up with engineering practices, and then people start copying it and sharing it all around, and that guy doesn't get compensation for it, he won't be able to keep innovating.

01:49:23.000 His career is done, he will starve, and he will lose his livelihood.

01:49:25.000 The point you're making that I agree with is that if they're copying his art and then selling it, and he's not getting compensated, that's a problem that we need to put into the code.

01:49:34.000 You need to be able to follow where the data came from so that the original creator gets a portion of the sales.

01:49:40.000 And if there's no sales because they're just copying it?

01:49:42.000 Then what's the harm?

01:49:44.000 The guy can't make more music?

01:49:46.000 Well, it's up to the guy!

01:49:47.000 It's not up to the people that are copying the information.

01:49:49.000 If the guy continues to make music, they weren't going to buy it anyway!

01:49:52.000 They copied it because they couldn't buy it!

01:49:54.000 Why are you assuming they were or weren't going to buy it?

01:49:56.000 Clearly some people who like it would have bought it.

01:49:58.000 I don't think either of us should assume that it would have been sold.

01:50:00.000 Just because someone made a copy of it doesn't mean that they would have bought it.

01:50:03.000 Revenues literally dropped when Napster came out.

01:50:05.000 People actually saw revenues go down.

01:50:07.000 Now, I don't care about multi-millionaire celebrities, but when we're talking about a regular, hard-working person, you like his work, you want his work to continue, but then everyone just copies it instead of buying it?

01:50:18.000 That's a problem.

01:50:20.000 Yeah, but everyone does not copy instead of buy.

01:50:22.000 That's the situation.

01:50:23.000 People still buy stuff.

01:50:24.000 So the revenue's dropped, and we actually saw this for a lot of people.

01:50:28.000 Dude, I have friends who lost their jobs around this time.

01:50:33.000 Okay, the market's changing.

01:50:34.000 Actors are severely overpaid.

01:50:36.000 Musicians get paid millions.

01:50:37.000 In the 90s, musicians were paid millions.

01:50:40.000 Millions! 0.95

01:50:40.000 That's ridiculous. 0.95

01:50:42.000 My friend's like, I've produced this short film. 0.85

01:50:44.000 I would like to show it to you.

01:50:46.000 If I can get everyone to pay me a dollar to watch it, I can continue to do work.

01:50:49.000 And they said, meh, I'll just digitally copy it.

01:50:51.000 You think that making a movie should make you a millionaire?

01:50:51.000 Yeah.

01:50:53.000 I mean, do you think that these actors should be getting 30 million dollars for a movie?

01:50:56.000 That's insanity.

01:50:57.000 Ian, you are clearly getting triggered because what your argument is makes no sense.

01:51:02.000 I'm telling you the reality of the world right now.

01:51:05.000 No, you're just saying that, oh no, they shouldn't do that.

01:51:08.000 That shouldn't be.

01:51:09.000 So let's make it illegal and punish people.

01:51:11.000 When did I say that?

01:51:12.000 You're saying that they shouldn't be able to make the copies?

01:51:14.000 I said it was wrong that they went after those guys, those big fines.

01:51:14.000 What are you saying?

01:51:17.000 Okay.

01:51:18.000 I said when they gave that guy a massive fine and started going to people's houses, I said that was wrong.

01:51:20.000 It was insane.

01:51:21.000 It's like the 3D, we're talking like 3D printed guns.

01:51:23.000 We're talking about a very simple morality that piracy was destroying the livelihoods of the people who made the work.

01:51:31.000 No, it was maybe reducing their income, but it was not destroying their livelihoods.

01:51:35.000 There are a lot of people who lost their jobs over this.

01:51:36.000 Who?

01:51:37.000 Friends of mine.

01:51:38.000 Possibly.

01:51:39.000 Not possibly, literally people I know.

01:51:40.000 The whole industry is changing, dude.

01:51:43.000 Automation is, many people are going to lose their jobs because the automation is taking it away.

01:51:48.000 And, and you know, you know, what's funny is that they already solved for this problem.

01:51:51.000 You're defending something that doesn't exist anymore for the most part.

01:51:54.000 No, I'm trying to solve for copying data.

01:51:56.000 Amazon, Paramount+, Netflix, all of these services have solved for that problem, and revenues came back.

01:52:01.000 It was a bad thing that happened.

01:52:03.000 My friend once sent me a video saying, please share this, and it was a PSA about all the people who had lost their jobs in the industry, PAs, people making 12 bucks an hour, because their studios were downsizing after they couldn't turn a profit on making short films anymore.

01:52:14.000 Yeah, because those studios were overblown.

01:52:16.000 Look at what we're doing right here in your house, dude.

01:52:17.000 See, this is the problem, Ian.

01:52:18.000 People seem to think that movies are only blockbusters.

01:52:21.000 But see, I have friends who were PAs and worked in the industry, and a lot of movies are actually low-budget short films.

01:52:26.000 There is a massive amount of low-cost dramas and comedies.

01:52:31.000 Now that special effects is getting better, we're starting to see low-budget sci-fi and fantasy.

01:52:35.000 And then, at the cream of the crop, the top of the top, what you see is Marvel movies.

01:52:39.000 My friends were working on low-budget films that cost $100,000.

01:52:43.000 They lost their jobs, because these things would get posted online and then shared, and nobody would want to pay for it.

01:52:48.000 Dude, that's not...

01:52:50.000 That's not because of digital.

01:52:52.000 I mean, there's a hundred.

01:52:53.000 How many more movie makers are there now than there were 30 years ago?

01:52:57.000 Because it's, it's more accessible.

01:52:59.000 You can buy a $3,000 camera, spend like four grand on audio equipment and make an incredible movie.

01:53:05.000 We're going to move on.

01:53:05.000 Cause I don't think you're actually, you're arguing anything anymore.

01:53:08.000 Ayabat says, Eric, love the Freedom Phone.

01:53:10.000 You should consider preloading them with a Zcash wallet.

01:53:13.000 I think you know what Zcash is, right?

01:53:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:53:15.000 I love Zcash.

01:53:15.000 They say Zcash is a cryptocurrency with the strongest privacy guarantees, also has encrypted messaging feature.

01:53:20.000 Wow, really?

01:53:21.000 Zcash, shout out.

01:53:22.000 I'm a huge Zcash fan.

01:53:24.000 Monero's good, but Zcash is... I love Zcash, and that's a great idea, actually.

01:53:31.000 Alright, let's see.

01:53:33.000 The Raptor's Talent says, Ian, I get that you're trying to play devil's advocate.

01:53:36.000 Stop it.

01:53:37.000 You're trying to use nonsense to argue with facts.

01:53:39.000 Piracy, in the context of the internet, is not simply theft of content.

01:53:43.000 It is theft of income.

01:53:44.000 By copy-pasting onto the internet, you are robbing them of their ability to make money.

01:53:47.000 You're assuming that because someone made a copy that they would have bought it.

01:53:51.000 That is an assumption.

01:53:53.000 We know for a fact revenues went down, right?

01:53:56.000 Yeah, some revenues.

01:53:57.000 That means they did lose money.

01:53:58.000 Metallica lost some of their hundreds of millions.

01:53:59.000 Yeah, but ignore the fact that you know who Metallica is.

01:54:02.000 You don't know who, like, Jimmy's Basement Barbecue Band is.

01:54:06.000 Yeah, people lost income.

01:54:07.000 It's also cheaper to make movies.

01:54:09.000 So, that's a non sequitur.

01:54:11.000 It's equalizing.

01:54:12.000 You make less for your sales and you spend less to make the thing.

01:54:16.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:54:21.000 Andrew Lance says, Freedom Phone Dude, please give me the hard sell.

01:54:24.000 My iPhone is about to turn two, so the built-in obsolescence will come.

01:54:27.000 Can you promise that my phone will still function well five years from now?

01:54:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I feel confident about that your phone will last for five years and all that.

01:54:37.000 I mean, we make these phones to last.

01:54:39.000 I mean, obviously, if you're throwing it in water or anything like that, I mean, it's not.

01:54:43.000 And then we also have very generous return policy as well.

01:54:45.000 So I mean, but yeah, I mean, these phones, we make them to last for a long time because we know phones will do it.

01:54:50.000 But I mean, if you end up being really rough, if you're working in the If you're trying to take it to space or something, yeah, it's not going to last.

01:54:57.000 But yeah, I mean, it should last.

01:54:58.000 I feel, in my opinion, this will last for five years.

01:55:02.000 I mean, the hard sell on it is if you want a phone that has its own app store, which has all the normal apps your normal phone has, plus banned ones as well.

01:55:12.000 If you want a phone that cares about your privacy, cares about your security, And feel free to anyone that wants to, you know, test it out, feel free to do it.

01:55:20.000 And we're going to be posting videos soon of the testing that we've done.

01:55:23.000 We want to put like a top-notch hacker and just, I mean, we've done this internally, but actually publicly make like a whole video about it, of them trying to get into this phone.

01:55:31.000 And I'm sure this is what people are going to do when they, when the phone is shipped out to everybody.

01:55:36.000 But yeah, I mean, that's the hard sell.

01:55:37.000 I mean, we're just trying to challenge the Apple and Google duopoly here.

01:55:41.000 All right, Weston Hecker says, does the phone have its own baseband software or modifications to the HAL hardware access layer?

01:55:47.000 OTADM or any other stuff aside from the custom OS?

01:55:52.000 I should get my CTO on the phone because that's over my head.

01:55:56.000 I hired a white hat guy that has been my friend for years, and he built this out.

01:56:02.000 So we're going to be posting on, you know, we're going to have freedomphone.com slash security that goes into literally all the things that we did on the security front.

01:56:10.000 Blackrock Beacon says, Algorithmic psychosis is an availability cascade driven by

01:56:15.000 confirmation bias and virtue signaling reinforced by gamification or human

01:56:19.000 interaction.

01:56:20.000 Well, there you go.

01:56:21.000 All right.

01:56:25.000 What is this?

01:56:27.000 Logan Culver says, Tim, how many of the normal chats are from bots?

01:56:30.000 LOL.

01:56:31.000 I don't know.

01:56:32.000 Uh, we, we made it so that you gotta be a subscriber to use the chat though.

01:56:35.000 And a lot of people were like, I don't like that.

01:56:36.000 And I'm like, if you're not subscribed to the channel, like why are you, I don't understand what the issue is.

01:56:41.000 Like you come to the show and watch the point of the subscriber chat was to get rid of a lot of the spam.

01:56:46.000 Cause spam bots come in, don't subscribe.

01:56:48.000 And then, so I was like, okay, that solves that.

01:56:51.000 Right?

01:56:51.000 Easy.

01:56:52.000 Crazy.

01:56:54.000 All right, let's see.

01:56:56.000 Daniel Nelson says, sign me up.

01:56:57.000 Having my browser redirected to apartment.com repeatedly of my exact location when trying to send a political message was my wake-up call.

01:57:04.000 Not cool.

01:57:04.000 Leave US citizens alone.

01:57:06.000 Well, there you go.

01:57:11.000 All right, let's see.

01:57:12.000 Sewer Turd says, can the phone be picked up in person to avoid possible tampering en route by a third party?

01:57:19.000 Right now we ship it to you and we put a little tracker to make sure it got to you and all that.

01:57:26.000 Not a tracker on the phone, but just like we put on the outside of the box so that way you make sure that they're seeing.

01:57:31.000 And then we've got a seal as well, so that way if anyone has opened the phone you would know by the time it gets there.

01:57:37.000 Man, I'll tell you this, I've had more than enough of my time at the Tamper Evident Village in DEFCON to know how to get past those seals, you know? 1.00

01:57:46.000 That's true.

01:57:46.000 Have you ever been there?

01:57:47.000 DEFCON?

01:57:48.000 Yeah, I've been once.

01:57:49.000 You get like the little steamer thing and then you steam the sticker and you get the tweezers and you peel the sticker back and you can pop it right open, go inside and then close it and put the Tamper Evident thing back and... 0.60

01:57:57.000 We also put it in its own case as well.

01:57:59.000 So it comes like on this one, I don't have it on that.

01:58:01.000 This is just what I bring around to show people.

01:58:03.000 I got an idea.

01:58:04.000 Have people send you their fingerprints.

01:58:07.000 Then you can preload the fingerprints so only they can open it.

01:58:10.000 That's perfectly safe.

01:58:11.000 Well, yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to have to have people submit their fingerprints.

01:58:16.000 All right.

01:58:18.000 Let's see.

01:58:19.000 There was just a super chat that jumped away from me.

01:58:22.000 Let's try and find it. 1.00

01:58:26.000 Smokey says anyone who thinks these phones can't be tracked is an idiot. 0.99

01:58:29.000 Anything with an electronic signature can be tracked. 0.99

01:58:32.000 We put the operating system level, and it turns it off at the hardware level.

01:58:38.000 We put the option as a button, a virtual button to be able to turn it off, and it really does turn it off on the phone, everything.

01:58:44.000 And out of the box, like so many phones, they come with like Wi-Fi and Bluetooth already on, and that's one of the vulnerabilities that people can kind of get into your phone with.

01:58:52.000 So we make sure it turns all of those things off when you get it.

01:59:00.000 Can you change your own battery?

01:59:02.000 I mean, yeah, you're welcome to... In our policy, yeah, you have totally the ability to repair it on your own.

01:59:11.000 The battery is in there and all that, so if you want your battery, if it's a problem, you'd have to ship it to us.

01:59:17.000 But, I mean, if you're able to figure that out on your own, that's totally... It doesn't break our warranty policy.

01:59:24.000 Alright.

01:59:27.000 Yeah, if you break, you know, your player FDW says question for Eric.

01:59:30.000 Mm-hmm. If this has been asked before I apologize, will there be a less pricey version of the Freedom Phone?

01:59:34.000 500 is a bit steep for some.

01:59:36.000 Well, you can get any coupon code online.

01:59:39.000 I don't want to plug it here or anything.

01:59:42.000 But yeah, so it's pretty easy.

01:59:44.000 If you go anywhere, you can pretty much get $50 off and look it up.

01:59:48.000 And that makes it $449, which is a little bit better.

01:59:50.000 Is that one of the codes?

01:59:50.000 POSO.

01:59:51.000 Yeah, POSO is one of the codes and all that.

01:59:54.000 I knew it!

01:59:55.000 I bought the slippers from MyPillow.

01:59:57.000 And I was like, you know, considering the smear pieces, I'm like, I bet POSO is one of the codes.

02:00:01.000 Yeah, and what was it?

02:00:03.000 It's POSO.

02:00:04.000 Oh, oh, for like the pillows.

02:00:04.000 Yeah, POSO.

02:00:06.000 So POSO is one of the codes.

02:00:06.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:08.000 POSO, Candice, you know, and you can use any.

02:00:13.000 We have a lot of codes.

02:00:14.000 You really can get it for $449 if you just use any of those codes.

02:00:20.000 But yeah, I mean, the goal is to be able to... The more sales that we can get, the more we can get the parts cheaper as well.

02:00:28.000 So, yeah, we hope to make it cheaper.

02:00:30.000 And we've been growing at a great rate, so we think we can.

02:00:32.000 But, you know, it might be a sack.

02:00:36.000 Oh, apparently I think we have the, let me see if I can fix this.

02:00:40.000 Someone said the description is the wrong link.

02:00:44.000 That's right.

02:00:44.000 No, it looks good.

02:00:45.000 Freedomphone.com?

02:00:47.000 Freedomphone.com?

02:00:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:50.000 Freedomphone.com, that is the correct link.

02:00:52.000 And what's the other one?

02:00:52.000 There's another one people are mentioning?

02:00:54.000 Yeah, there's like, I think like a freedom-phones.net or something.

02:00:58.000 That's a different thing.

02:01:00.000 Okay.

02:01:01.000 So it's just freedomphone.com.

02:01:02.000 Okay.

02:01:04.000 All right.

02:01:05.000 Jay Dubski says, Eric, check out Rob Braxman.

02:01:07.000 He's a tech expert against tracking and censorship.

02:01:09.000 I would love to see a review of your phone on his YouTube channel.

02:01:12.000 Yeah, I mean, if he wants a review unit, tell him to reach out to us.

02:01:15.000 Rob Braxman.

02:01:16.000 Big Mac Attack says, hey Tim, I'd like to be able to pay for an MP3 version of your Will of the People song.

02:01:21.000 Tongue clicks.

02:01:22.000 Do you know the way?

02:01:23.000 In the description of the video, Will of the People on YouTube is a link to Bandcamp where you can get the full high quality MP3.

02:01:31.000 And you may notice that the video version has some sound effects that the mp3 version does not.

02:01:36.000 But it is, I believe, on Spotify, iTunes.

02:01:39.000 It should be on iTunes.

02:01:40.000 I think you can buy it on iTunes, I'm not sure, but it's like everywhere.

02:01:43.000 And we've got someone here who may be our new composer, which means likely going to be recording a lot more music and should be a lot of fun.

02:01:51.000 I got a million and one songs that need to be recorded.

02:01:53.000 Stoked.

02:01:55.000 Seth Essington says, Ian is making me extremely angry.

02:01:55.000 Whoa, what's this?

02:01:59.000 I am about to punch my monitor.

02:02:00.000 Don't do it.

02:02:01.000 Don't do it, Seth.

02:02:02.000 Don't do it.

02:02:02.000 Too expensive.

02:02:03.000 I'm very passionate about data transfer.

02:02:05.000 Wyatt Caldenberg says, Ian, if a farmer grows corn and everyone steals his corn, the farmer will stop growing corn.

02:02:11.000 Yeah, it's called theft.

02:02:13.000 So what are people consuming when someone makes music?

02:02:17.000 What are people consuming when a farmer grows corn?

02:02:20.000 You said they're eating his corn?

02:02:21.000 They're consuming the corn.

02:02:22.000 They're consuming the corn.

02:02:22.000 They're destroying and eating the corn.

02:02:24.000 What is a person consuming when someone plays a song?

02:02:27.000 Nothing.

02:02:27.000 They're not consuming anything?

02:02:28.000 No, they're just listening.

02:02:30.000 That's consumption?

02:02:31.000 No, it's a vibration in your ear.

02:02:32.000 There's no consumption going on.

02:02:34.000 So consumption is just, you're playing semantics.

02:02:36.000 Consumption involves destruction of the product.

02:02:39.000 Not, no, like you're playing semantics.

02:02:41.000 Okay.

02:02:41.000 Give me an idea of something that you consume that isn't destroyed.

02:02:43.000 The beef.

02:02:44.000 A movie.

02:02:45.000 You don't consume a movie.

02:02:47.000 Come on.

02:02:47.000 Consumers.

02:02:48.000 You're misusing the word consume.

02:02:49.000 So what do you call it?

02:02:50.000 Like, so we say absorbers.

02:02:53.000 Like AMC refers to the customers as absorbers.

02:02:53.000 Sure.

02:02:55.000 Understanders.

02:02:56.000 Call them consumers!

02:02:57.000 You're so desperate to somehow finagle some kind of semantic argument.

02:03:01.000 How about the difference between listening to a song and eating a piece of food is extremely different.

02:03:06.000 Yanet Santana says, can Ian move to Cuba?

02:03:09.000 I don't think I could legally, right?

02:03:11.000 Adam Griffin says, intellectual property, Ian.

02:03:13.000 Code is also intellectual property.

02:03:15.000 It's straight communist for the state to steal someone's work to distribute it to the masses.

02:03:15.000 I know.

02:03:19.000 Yeah, I would never encourage the state to steal someone's product and distribute it.

02:03:23.000 Smokey says Ian is a straight up socialist.

02:03:26.000 Look, copyright law was made by Queen Elizabeth to prevent people from making copies of the Bible.

02:03:30.000 She wanted control of the information.

02:03:35.000 X Runner says Ian loves blockchain but hates NFT.

02:03:37.000 Are you not an NFT guy?

02:03:40.000 No, I love NFTs.

02:03:41.000 I was about to say.

02:03:41.000 Oh, OK.

02:03:42.000 But you can't copy it. 0.98

02:03:43.000 Full of nonsense. 0.75

02:03:45.000 Non-fungible. 0.85

02:03:47.000 Alright, let's see, we'll just do, uh, we'll get a couple more in here because we're getting to the bottom.

02:03:51.000 Thomas Conservative says, Well, I'll respond to that right away, just saying, just get a receipt for your donut.

02:03:55.000 an alibi for your location can sometimes be useful if cops come a-knockin'.

02:03:58.000 Well, I'll respond to that right away just saying, just get a receipt for your donut.

02:04:01.000 There you go.

02:04:02.000 There you go, yeah.

02:04:03.000 Yeah, I use my credit card, you know, even if I don't need something, just every once

02:04:06.000 in a while, just so that way you can get a little paper trail of yourself.

02:04:08.000 Yeah, I like that.

02:04:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:11.000 But, you know, you have the option if you want to turn that, some tracking, like if you want to use GPS, you have the option to turn that on.

02:04:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:04:21.000 If you want an option to download an app, although we silo it and all that, we're not going to ban you from using Facebook.

02:04:29.000 You're welcome to, although I discourage it, and you'll get a warning when you download it.

02:04:34.000 And we silo it, so it is more secure than using another phone.

02:04:36.000 But what you do if you're scrolling on Facebook, Facebook will see that if you're using that app.

02:04:41.000 But they won't see or be able to do anything on the rest of your phone, like listen or anything.

02:04:45.000 Good.

02:04:47.000 All right, let's see.

02:04:48.000 Hank Trey says, I need a shout out for my, shout out my cat.

02:04:52.000 He passed away a week ago and I miss him dearly.

02:04:54.000 Rip Louie.

02:04:55.000 Louie.

02:04:56.000 Sad, sad to hear it, buddy.

02:04:57.000 Rip Louie.

02:04:57.000 Sorry.

02:04:58.000 I had a cat.

02:05:00.000 That was my favorite pet.

02:05:01.000 I love dogs, love them, but I had a cat and she was, she was like a dog and she was so sweet.

02:05:06.000 Danine S says, Ian, if nobody pays for art, the artist will be forced to make a living by other means and won't be able to make as much art.

02:05:13.000 Well, if you're making art for anything other than the love of art, then you're doing it wrong.

02:05:19.000 So artists shouldn't be allowed to have, like, food and a shelter?

02:05:21.000 What do you mean, allowed?

02:05:23.000 Of course they're allowed.

02:05:24.000 So if there's an artist, and they're like, I would like to paint a picture, but it takes me— They don't deserve it, if that's what you mean.

02:05:28.000 You don't deserve things in life.

02:05:30.000 You have to earn them.

02:05:31.000 Well, that's why they're putting out art to make money.

02:05:33.000 Yeah, but art is not a profit thing.

02:05:35.000 It's—art is a— But it's the ability to do more, like we live, you know, it's the ability to make more art, right?

02:05:41.000 If someone wants to buy more canvases and buy more painting material and be able to have, you know, so rather than it, I mean, I think the goal is always to have art be a full time job if you're really into that.

02:05:51.000 Not a full time job, but something that you can do full time.

02:05:53.000 If you can control the flow, the output of the flow of your data, then you can profit off of it.

02:05:58.000 But once you lose control of that flow.

02:06:00.000 You live in a dark world Ian.

02:06:01.000 It's real.

02:06:02.000 It's called reality.

02:06:03.000 Welcome.

02:06:04.000 In my world, people just come to agreements on how to make sure someone who produces art can live a beautiful life.

02:06:10.000 But in your version of reality, just because the possibility exists, artists should have to work other jobs and do art on the side.

02:06:19.000 My middle name's art, dude.

02:06:21.000 I think that G Prime 85 over here, with these beautiful pictures of Joe Biden eating children, should be allowed to be compensated, and you know what?

02:06:28.000 I paid him for the art.

02:06:29.000 Yeah, but now a million people are watching this show and seeing that art for free, and he's not making money on it.

02:06:34.000 But they don't have it on their walls.

02:06:35.000 But it's making him more famous, and it's making people want to buy them more.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, so some people are the 1% of artists.

02:06:41.000 And they can make tons of money off of people displaying their art, because it's so good.

02:06:45.000 But what about somebody who just draws, like, you know, a landscape?

02:06:48.000 And that one's—you can't see that one, it's not even on the camera.

02:06:51.000 Should that person just be like, well, it's for the love.

02:06:54.000 I'm gonna work 40 hours to make this, but I should not get paid.

02:06:59.000 Well, you're talking about making art.

02:07:01.000 It's a fun job.

02:07:03.000 You know, they used to have patrons like Leonardo da Vinci or these people, Michelangelo.

02:07:08.000 They would have to find someone to fund them to make their art.

02:07:11.000 But I think an artist shouldn't have to have a sugar daddy or anything to be able to produce things.

02:07:15.000 But this whole should and shouldn't thing and what people deserve is like, I don't like that conversation.

02:07:19.000 You earn what you're worth.

02:07:21.000 You know, reality dictates.

02:07:22.000 People shouldn't steal corn. 0.61

02:07:25.000 The whole should, I don't like this whole should and shouldn't thing.

02:07:27.000 People can steal corn? 1.00

02:07:27.000 You can walk right up to a farm and just take it all. 1.00

02:07:30.000 No joke.

02:07:30.000 Because the farm is so massive, like there's one farm not too far from here, it's a hundred acre apple orchard.

02:07:35.000 Anybody can walk in and just take the apples.

02:07:37.000 Yeah, well if you have a warlord hoarding everyone's corn and they have to go steal it from the warlord to survive, then yeah.

02:07:42.000 Ian, you made that up, it has nothing to do with the local farm that makes apples.

02:07:44.000 You just said people shouldn't steal corn.

02:07:45.000 They should not.

02:07:46.000 What if there's a warlord that has taken all the corn and now people have to steal it from him to survive?

02:07:51.000 Ian, you are so desperate for this argument.

02:07:53.000 We are talking about a farmer who grows corn and people can just walk up and take it.

02:07:59.000 And you said we shouldn't talk about should or shouldn't.

02:08:01.000 No, people shouldn't take his corn.

02:08:03.000 People should pay for it.

02:08:05.000 People should pay for the art.

02:08:07.000 There you go.

02:08:07.000 Just because we found out a way to duplicate things online doesn't mean people should not have to pay for it.

02:08:13.000 Hey man, I want to code a solution.

02:08:15.000 This is the whole point.

02:08:16.000 I think streaming services have solved the problem.

02:08:16.000 No, I think they did.

02:08:18.000 Nah, you make like .001 cent every time someone listens to it.

02:08:22.000 It's not really a solution.

02:08:24.000 Spotify makes way more money on those artists.

02:08:27.000 I think it is.

02:08:28.000 It's better than free, I guess.

02:08:31.000 You're adapting to an existing market.

02:08:32.000 I would like to see the user dictate the sale amount.

02:08:35.000 I would like to see people be like, Spotify, you're going to pay me if you want to.

02:08:39.000 But I don't know.

02:08:40.000 People want to get their art seen and heard too.

02:08:42.000 But I think that then we're in agreement then, because I think the artist should be getting paid what they deserve for their art.

02:08:47.000 But what, what is, what is that?

02:08:48.000 Like, if you make a hundred million copies for free, then what are those copies really worth?

02:08:52.000 A hundred millionth of what the original was worth?

02:08:55.000 I mean, if they're free, they're free.

02:08:57.000 Like now you can proliferate data.

02:08:57.000 Yeah.

02:08:58.000 Back in the day, you could make, play a song and that was it.

02:09:01.000 You had to pay money to go listen to that.

02:09:03.000 Now you can make a hundred trillion copies of it at the cost of next to nothing.

02:09:06.000 So are the value of those copies also 100 trillionth of the, yeah, probably.

02:09:12.000 When people would buy an mp3, you would get a dollar for the mp3 and their right to listen to that song whenever they wanted.

02:09:18.000 Now, when I listen to a song on, say, Spotify or Pandora, each listen has a value to it.

02:09:25.000 So instead of just one transaction, it's a prolonged transaction.

02:09:27.000 The more people listen to your music, the more money you make.

02:09:30.000 That's solving for that problem.

02:09:31.000 Because now, I don't gotta worry about buying.

02:09:33.000 I can literally pull up Spotify because I have a subscription and just pick up whatever song I want.

02:09:37.000 And then I can listen to it and I don't have to worry about it.

02:09:39.000 And it's easier than finding some torrent website to download an album. 0.94

02:09:43.000 I remember back in the day with, like, Kazaa and Limewire, you'd see, like, you know, I'd be like, oh, bad religion, and then you'd click it and it would be Metallica or something, and I'd be like, this is dumb! 0.95

02:09:50.000 Or, you know what was my favorite?

02:09:52.000 People who would name files after their own, like, they would upload their own band, hoping that, like, calling it Metallica would get me to listen to their band.

02:09:59.000 That's hilarious.

02:10:00.000 Anyway, my friends, it's been a blast of a Friday night.

02:10:02.000 Thanks so much for hanging out.

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02:10:15.000 But we're going to be adding more and more shows, so hang tight.

02:10:17.000 Because once we get these next two, three shows, the D&D show is going to be happening.

02:10:21.000 We're having some D&D people come out, not this weekend, but the next weekend.

02:10:24.000 And then we're going to have a show, which is like D&D adventures, but based on real-world political events.

02:10:29.000 To see how people react to certain situations.

02:10:31.000 It'll be a whole lot of fun.

02:10:32.000 It would be fun to get a socialist and like an ANCAP and then be like, there's an economic crisis in the dwarf city or whatever. 0.81

02:10:39.000 And like, see how they respond.

02:10:40.000 And like, I choose to do this.

02:10:41.000 It'll be fun.

02:10:42.000 It'll be hilarious.

02:10:42.000 It'll be like hanging out with your friends and having a good time.

02:10:45.000 So, uh, you can also follow us at Timcast IRL on Facebook and Instagram at Timcast underscore IRL on TikTok.

02:10:52.000 And you can follow me personally at Timcast.

02:10:54.000 Do you want to shout out your social media or anything else, Eric?

02:10:57.000 Yeah, if you want to follow me for updates, it's just at Eric Finman, E-R-I-K-F-I-N-M-A-N.

02:11:03.000 If you want to check out the Freedom Phone, it's just freedomphone.com.

02:11:06.000 People keep saying Ian is stealing our corn.

02:11:09.000 Dude, Eric, thank you so much for coming, man.

02:11:12.000 Thanks for building this, too.

02:11:13.000 Yeah, thank you.

02:11:14.000 And feel free.

02:11:15.000 I want people to check it out, tear it apart, and see how good it is, because that's the plan.

02:11:21.000 And thank you so much for just having me on, Ian and Tim.

02:11:23.000 You guys can follow me, iancrossland.net.

02:11:26.000 I love corn.

02:11:26.000 You know what's really funny?

02:11:28.000 The super chats are people saying Ian's wrong.

02:11:32.000 That's what people are paying.

02:11:33.000 And then in the chat, which is free, everyone's saying Ian's right.

02:11:36.000 Oh, interesting.

02:11:38.000 Reality is changing.

02:11:39.000 We have to adapt.

02:11:41.000 I guess the 1% coming out in the comments.

02:11:43.000 Well, I am very glad to have Eric.

02:11:45.000 This is a really fun conversation.

02:11:47.000 I don't really enjoy all the arguing, but I'm glad it happens and I'm glad that we have free speech to do it.

02:11:52.000 And you guys can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I attempt to gain more followers than Sour Patch Kids.

02:11:58.000 Don't follow them.

02:11:59.000 Follow me.

02:12:00.000 Thanks, guys.

02:12:01.000 Head over to youtube.com slash castcastle.

02:12:03.000 We're going to have an episode of the vlog up tomorrow at nine.

02:12:06.000 The vlog crew is expanding and we're hoping to soon be moving into daily vlogs.

02:12:10.000 We'll see if we can get there.

02:12:11.000 We'll make it work.

02:12:12.000 I mean, we're a busy company, but the more people who are here, the more, the crazier things get.

02:12:16.000 And then you'll also see some of the behind the scenes stuff when like the guests arrive and it'll be, it'll be fun and silly.

02:12:20.000 So again, it's youtube.com slash castcastle at 9am tomorrow morning.

02:12:24.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:12:25.000 And Ian was wrong.

02:12:26.000 We'll see you all next time.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 23, 2021

Timcast IRL - Censor Proof FreedomPhone Sparks Establishment PANIC w-Erik Finman

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