Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Chairman Of The Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, In Studio

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:28.000 you a couple of weeks ago we got word that the proud boys were

00:00:53.000 going to be heading heading to Portland this is September 26 and I thought it

00:00:57.000 was an extremely bad idea because Portland is the hot spot of Antifa and Black 1.00

00:01:02.000 Lives Matter riots and extremism 0.97

00:01:05.000 And so you take a bunch of Trump supporters, you send them into this area, naturally Antifa's gonna come out, they're gonna act a fool, and there's gonna be violence. 0.97

00:01:12.000 And it was particularly troubling because we've already seen this Black Lives Matter Antifa guy, tattoo on his neck, stalk a Trump supporter, put two bullets in his chest. 0.96

00:01:22.000 So hearing that the Proud Boys are planning on doing this, I was very critical.

00:01:25.000 I said it's a bad idea.

00:01:27.000 And I've talked to a lot of Trump supporters who have actually agreed that there's an issue with respecting... There's a challenge in respecting the rights of individuals to have their free speech, to hold their rallies, And then going into an area where you know Antifa is saying, we're gonna have our rally here.

00:01:47.000 And then it's also, you know, you get Antifa saying, we're defending ourselves because they came to our town.

00:01:53.000 So, to talk about this, we have the chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, and we're also gonna talk about the names that you have been called, your organization, the founding of your organization, and I've got the Anti-Defamation League pulled up, I've got the Southern Poverty Law Center, I've got the AP.

00:02:09.000 We tried to find some of the harshest criticisms in a professional sense, so the ADL and the SPLC, because we're not here for softballs, and we're gonna, you know, we'll call it like we see it, but I think it's important to actually hear from you, Because I heard you are a white supremacist and I couldn't help but notice that you're not white. 0.96

00:02:29.000 Well, probably like really bad at my job being a white supremacist.

00:02:34.000 So, but thank you for having me on Tim.

00:02:38.000 And I really appreciate that you guys have me on when a lot of people don't want to have me on for some reason.

00:02:45.000 I don't think I'm this giant controversial character that people are portraying us to be.

00:02:50.000 I think, Well, to give you some... I don't know what the right word is for it, but I'll say it this way.

00:02:58.000 We've got a lot of stuff to go through, and the criticisms... I literally just opened by saying I was critical of what you guys were going to do in Portland.

00:03:05.000 I think, ultimately, everything turned out fine.

00:03:07.000 There was no violence.

00:03:08.000 But when Donald Trump was giving the debate, when he was in the debate with Joe Biden, and he was asked to disavow white supremacists and right-wing militias, it was Joe Biden who yelled out, Proud Boys.

00:03:20.000 And then Trump said, stand, what'd he say, stand back and stand by, something like that?

00:03:23.000 Stand back, stand by.

00:03:25.000 Well, immediately following this, I saw a wave of journalists saying, do not interview the Proud Boys.

00:03:31.000 I thought to myself, why?

00:03:32.000 Joe Biden called them out, this group, we need to understand what it is and why it should be condemned or told to either stand down or whatever Donald Trump was saying.

00:03:42.000 Why would journalists, even New York Times journalists, say don't interview individuals that were named in a presidential election debate, potentially one of the most important?

00:03:51.000 So naturally we wanted to, we actually wanted to get you in sooner.

00:03:54.000 It's been, you know, I don't know.

00:03:56.000 We just kind of do the show.

00:03:57.000 I'm not here to, uh, scheduling is fast and loose and whatever.

00:04:01.000 But, uh, immediately I started having people ask me questions.

00:04:04.000 Is it true that Donald Trump told white supremacists to get ready?

00:04:07.000 That's what people were asking me.

00:04:08.000 I was like, that's not, that's not true.

00:04:10.000 I mean, the Proud Boys are not white supremacists.

00:04:13.000 I think you're, you're, so you're wearing a shirt that says American supremacist.

00:04:16.000 On purpose.

00:04:17.000 So and you're also not white.

00:04:19.000 No.

00:04:20.000 So it's pretty obvious.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, I do hate to bring it in this direction.

00:04:24.000 But for those that are listening, would you do you want to describe your your ethnic background so they understand?

00:04:29.000 So my parents came my grandfather came from Cuba back right after the revolution.

00:04:35.000 And they're definitely not white.

00:04:39.000 I'm African and Cuban descent from both.

00:04:43.000 Actually, some of my ancestors are indigenous to Cuba and I don't think I have any white at all.

00:04:51.000 I've never done one of those DNA tests.

00:04:52.000 I've never wanted to spend money on it.

00:04:54.000 I don't care because to me...

00:04:57.000 I've never cared about somebody's race or religion.

00:05:00.000 It's not a thing for me.

00:05:02.000 And the same thing for the Proud Boys.

00:05:04.000 We don't, like, when you join a chapter or you try to join a chapter, in the application process, we don't ask those questions.

00:05:11.000 We don't ask you, oh, well, what's your religion?

00:05:15.000 Like, it has, like, those little cards that show you how dark your skin is to see where you check off. 0.68

00:05:20.000 We don't have that.

00:05:21.000 Those are real?

00:05:22.000 No, I don't know.

00:05:23.000 I saw that in one of those.

00:05:24.000 Family guy.

00:05:24.000 Family guy meme.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:25.000 Okay, okay.

00:05:27.000 Well, so let me ask you, man.

00:05:29.000 What are the Proud Boys?

00:05:31.000 It started as a joke on Gavin's show.

00:05:36.000 Gavin McInnes.

00:05:37.000 Gavin McInnes' show.

00:05:38.000 Founder of Vice.

00:05:39.000 Co-founder. 0.98

00:05:40.000 Co-founder of Vice, which I give him crap for that all the time. 0.89

00:05:45.000 But we started as a joke on Gavin's show. 0.87

00:05:48.000 It wasn't supposed to go past the first meeting that they had.

00:05:51.000 He was trying to get his intern laid.

00:05:55.000 He invited everybody to the bar on a Friday night and they came out and it wasn't supposed to like he did he made up the name from an Aladdin musical and he did the tenets and the credo the degrees of membership all right there acapella like like straight what are your tenets and these are the ten tenets of being a proud boy and what are the degrees and he went through them and it was made right there on the spot and It started blowing up.

00:06:27.000 And it really started to blow up after the J-20 riots, the inauguration day riots, because we dared to fight back.

00:06:35.000 You know, conservatives weren't fighting back.

00:06:37.000 Antifa was basically burning down the city on J-20.

00:06:42.000 They were beating up Trump protesters throughout the entire election.

00:06:47.000 We saw what happened in Berkeley.

00:06:49.000 And there wasn't like conservatives that were fighting back and it wasn't like we, they claim us to be like some type of security force.

00:06:56.000 So something that they always say is like, oh, you guys were doing security for Roger Stone.

00:07:00.000 We never, we never get hired to do security for anybody.

00:07:04.000 We just went to go see Stone at his events and we just happened to be there.

00:07:10.000 We've never really provided security for anything.

00:07:14.000 So if you ask what the Proud Boys are in just like the simplest terms, we're a drinking club with a patriot problem is all we are.

00:07:25.000 We don't take ourselves seriously.

00:07:26.000 Actually, outside of media coverage, we're not a boring crew, but we're a boring story.

00:07:33.000 Like if you really knew who we were on the inside, it's a boring story.

00:07:37.000 It's like it's not newsworthy at all.

00:07:41.000 So we've become these monsters and last week we became public enemy number one for Democrats because they refused to denounce Antifa.

00:07:55.000 And they had a problem.

00:07:56.000 They had a problem in the polls.

00:07:58.000 They knew they weren't polling right because of that.

00:08:00.000 And they needed to point a finger.

00:08:02.000 They needed to find somebody.

00:08:03.000 And they could have, Biden could have picked so many other groups.

00:08:07.000 When they were talking about white supremacy, which is an ideology, or militias, which are actual groups, you could name those.

00:08:15.000 But they decided he made a critical mistake in mentioning the Proud Boys when talking about militias.

00:08:20.000 We're not a militia.

00:08:22.000 You know, we don't train white supremacy.

00:08:25.000 We're not white supremacists.

00:08:27.000 My chapter consists of 90% of the membership in my personal chapter are all Cubans.

00:08:33.000 Minority is white.

00:08:36.000 When Gavin was, like, founding it, he was saying stuff like, he was joking, but he was saying, like, I'm advocating violence.

00:08:43.000 Was he joking?

00:08:43.000 I think so.

00:08:44.000 Right, there's a big what if.

00:08:45.000 But he says that he was joking and, like, saying, I want violence, go get them, go get them.

00:08:51.000 And then, like, some people that identified as Proud Boys, like, attacked someone.

00:08:55.000 And that's where the whole Proud Boys are a violent organization came from.

00:08:59.000 I'd ask you for the context of when we attack somebody on that specific premise.

00:09:05.000 So we just had the DC riot squad.

00:09:07.000 These are the Daily Callers reporters who go on the ground and go to riots and they said they filmed in, where was that?

00:09:14.000 Was that Portland?

00:09:16.000 It was in Portland that they saw Proud Boys?

00:09:17.000 Yeah.

00:09:18.000 They said they saw a couple of Proud Boys really just laying into a guy, like brutally beating him.

00:09:24.000 And I said, are you sure?

00:09:25.000 Because I know Patriot Prayer is up in the- He said, nope, these are Proud Boys.

00:09:28.000 And so these are the riot crew guys.

00:09:30.000 These are the people who are on the ground covering it.

00:09:32.000 They work for the caller.

00:09:32.000 They're not left, you know, this Daily Caller is founded by Tucker Carlson.

00:09:35.000 And they said they saw Proud Boys stomping some guy out.

00:09:41.000 Well, I haven't heard about that story in Portland, but yes, we have gotten into scuffles.

00:09:46.000 Many, per se.

00:09:48.000 And we're not afraid to defend ourselves.

00:09:53.000 Going back to the first point I was making when we opened the show, don't you think there's a problem if you guys go to Portland and then you know it's an Antifa hotbed?

00:10:01.000 Understanding, I understand, in the United States you have a right to march where you want to march.

00:10:05.000 But you're jumping into the fray, then Antifa's there all hot and agitated and crazy. 0.94

00:10:10.000 Then they come to these events, they attack you, and then you get into fights.

00:10:15.000 I think I agreed with you a hundred percent when you did the video on our Portland, our September 26 rally.

00:10:21.000 I agreed with you a hundred percent. 0.99

00:10:23.000 It would be stupid and retarded for us to go into downtown Portland. 1.00

00:10:26.000 Portland's a very big place. 1.00

00:10:28.000 It would be stupid for us to go into downtown Portland because that would mean that we're actually looking for problems. 0.89

00:10:33.000 If we went into, let's say Chapman park or a Terry shrunk Plaza. 0.94

00:10:39.000 Yes.

00:10:39.000 I tell you that we're definitely looking for it, but that instance, we'll talk about this specific instance, but.

00:10:45.000 I took it to Northern Portland.

00:10:47.000 I put the event on purpose.

00:10:49.000 I put it in the middle of this park that has 10-foot fences all around.

00:10:53.000 It's a maze.

00:10:54.000 It's impossible to get there.

00:10:56.000 I communicated with PD.

00:10:57.000 I communicated with FBI.

00:10:59.000 They called it a state of emergency because we were going.

00:11:03.000 So there was a bigger police presence.

00:11:05.000 We actually had a really good event.

00:11:06.000 A really safe event.

00:11:08.000 And we were away from Antifa and the only reason that Antifa went to there was a park that was close by called Flamingo Park, I think, or Peninsula Park.

00:11:18.000 The only reason that they went there is because I said in a private message that I leaked.

00:11:25.000 I said that we're going to going to Peninsula Park.

00:11:27.000 So the reason why they were there.

00:11:29.000 They were there to confront you.

00:11:30.000 They were there to confront me.

00:11:31.000 But I knew that it was three and a half miles away.

00:11:34.000 And I knew they wouldn't have time from beginning of this event to the end of the event.

00:11:39.000 You don't have to, and a lot of people under your feed said, don't, don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.

00:11:50.000 And I I'm 100% for that.

00:11:53.000 But I decided to go over there to expose.

00:11:59.000 I decided to go over there and I decided to dare, right?

00:12:03.000 To go over there and I felt the brunt of it.

00:12:06.000 I felt people were like turning on us and like, why are you going over there?

00:12:10.000 And the reason why we're going over there, because the only reason why cops did their job that week, and they're going to do their job till the end of the year, was because we showed up.

00:12:20.000 They banned CS gas.

00:12:21.000 I don't know if you remember that, because it was inhumane.

00:12:23.000 Tear gas, basically.

00:12:24.000 Tear gas.

00:12:26.000 It was inhumane to use that against protesters.

00:12:32.000 But the moment that we say that we're going to show up, they lift the tear gas ban.

00:12:38.000 And so tear gas is bad for humans, but it's not bad for conservatives.

00:12:43.000 So they they lifted that ban on Friday and I wasn't afraid of it.

00:12:47.000 I was like, OK, cool.

00:12:48.000 You lifted the tear gas ban.

00:12:51.000 You're not going to use it on us.

00:12:54.000 We're going to be peaceful.

00:12:55.000 And we're far away from whatever action.

00:12:57.000 And as a matter of fact, don't quote me on this.

00:13:00.000 I'll look up the statistics after this.

00:13:02.000 But I think they had the most single arrests that weekend than they had in the previous four months.

00:13:07.000 It was like 50-something arrests.

00:13:09.000 Of Antifa?

00:13:09.000 Antifa, yes.

00:13:12.000 And I categorize that as a win.

00:13:14.000 But their DA isn't prosecuting many of these people.

00:13:16.000 They're just being cut loose.

00:13:17.000 Well, the cool part about it is that some of those arrests were made by deputized federal officers.

00:13:25.000 And they were supposed to, I guess the word is, undeputize them the day after.

00:13:30.000 And the U.S.

00:13:31.000 Marshals actually refused that.

00:13:33.000 So 50 Portland Police Bureau cops are going to be federally deputized by the U.S.

00:13:38.000 Marshals until the end of the year.

00:13:41.000 And that means anybody they arrest could face federal charges.

00:13:44.000 Yes.

00:13:44.000 So let's go back.

00:13:45.000 So to better understand, we know the Proud Boys was a joke.

00:13:49.000 Gavin was, he doesn't know when to stop.

00:13:53.000 I'll say that.

00:13:54.000 And so he made a joke and then he kept going with it.

00:13:56.000 He kept pushing on it.

00:13:57.000 He's had numerous videos where he's straight up called for violence.

00:14:01.000 He was at a rally in DC where I, uh, Had some reporters on the ground covering it, and I can't remember what the rally was, but it wasn't that long ago and Gavin was calling for violence.

00:14:12.000 So I know that Gavin stepped down from the Proud Boys, but that's your founding.

00:14:17.000 This is a guy who's got numerous videos, some of them are taken out of context.

00:14:21.000 You know, there was one video I think where he was talking about, you know, putting a choke chain on a dog, and it was taken out of context to make it seem like he was saying attack people, but he's definitely called for violence.

00:14:30.000 So I mean, this is... I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, the only reason he stepped down was because he was trying to take heat off of some Proud Boy members who were facing prison time.

00:14:39.000 Yes.

00:14:40.000 He stepped down... So to touch on the first subject, he stepped down because...

00:14:46.000 He needed to take heat off of this crooked system that was prosecuting our guys.

00:14:52.000 So Gavin threw a comedy show at the Metropolitan Republican Club and that was on a Saturday.

00:15:00.000 And then Friday, the whole place was vandalized.

00:15:02.000 They broke the windows.

00:15:03.000 They spray painted the entire building.

00:15:05.000 They put glue on the locks and they put a threatening message on the front door.

00:15:08.000 If you have if you have Gavin here, you'll see what's going to happen to you.

00:15:13.000 And they went through with it.

00:15:15.000 So they went through with the night.

00:15:16.000 And my guys were walking back to their car.

00:15:19.000 And they were confronted by Antifa.

00:15:21.000 They were followed and stalked by Antifa.

00:15:23.000 They were confronted.

00:15:25.000 They threw a glass bottle of urine at them.

00:15:27.000 And then my guys fought back.

00:15:30.000 Right?

00:15:33.000 And the cops saw this whole thing.

00:15:36.000 Cops saw this This brawl.

00:15:40.000 So the cops went, they broke up the brawl and they asked my guys, Hey, are you guys need any medical attention?

00:15:46.000 Are you guys okay?

00:15:46.000 My guy's like, all right, we're cool.

00:15:48.000 And, uh, when he asked Antifa, the guy said F off pigs was his, uh, what's what he said to the cops.

00:15:57.000 And nothing happened.

00:15:58.000 That's it.

00:15:58.000 But something was going to happen because it was a 2018 election.

00:16:03.000 And mobs not jobs.

00:16:04.000 I don't know if you remember that.

00:16:05.000 Yep.

00:16:06.000 Jobs not mobs was trending.

00:16:09.000 And they needed a boogeyman.

00:16:11.000 So they went ahead and the governor of New York, Governor Cuomo, instructed the AG to press charges on the white supremacist Proud Boys.

00:16:20.000 Didn't say anything about Antifa.

00:16:25.000 AG prosecuted, they turned themselves in, and they knew they didn't do anything wrong.

00:16:29.000 So what do you do when you know that you didn't do anything wrong?

00:16:31.000 You...

00:16:33.000 You take it to trial.

00:16:35.000 And they took it to trial.

00:16:36.000 And this is the first time, maybe I'm blind to the system, but this is the first time I ever see that they did not get to face their accuser.

00:16:46.000 There was no victims.

00:16:47.000 And it's not like the DA didn't present victims.

00:16:50.000 The DA didn't even know who these guys were.

00:16:53.000 The police didn't know.

00:16:54.000 The police took the stand and was very unbiased and told the story.

00:16:58.000 And guess who was the people that took the stand against the Proud Boys?

00:17:02.000 Sandy Bauckham, which is a journal, I don't even wanna say journalist,

00:17:08.000 but somebody that videotaped the whole thing.

00:17:11.000 Advocacy journalism.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, advocacy.

00:17:14.000 So that's the people that would put on the stand.

00:17:17.000 So they got, obviously, they got proven guilty by a jury of their peers,

00:17:23.000 but by a crooked system that probably had already tainted it with all these tweets.

00:17:31.000 I think it should have been done in private.

00:17:35.000 The jury should have been sequestered, but that didn't happen.

00:17:38.000 It was an unfair trial.

00:17:39.000 I mean, how many fights happened in New York?

00:17:42.000 So the first thing I'll say is... Four years.

00:17:46.000 Four years.

00:17:47.000 What's four years?

00:17:47.000 Four years in prison.

00:17:48.000 They're doing four years in prison for this.

00:17:50.000 Now that definitely seems excessive.

00:17:52.000 They called it gang violence.

00:17:53.000 Yes.

00:17:53.000 So the first thing is, in reference to there being no victim, it's the state that is pressing charges as the people.

00:17:59.000 The victim was the people. 0.77

00:18:00.000 There's video footage of Proud Boys kicking a guy on the ground in the fetal position over and over again.

00:18:06.000 So when the story first came out, the initial reaction we saw, because we saw surveillance footage, was Antifa throw a bottle, and then Proud Boys run up and start fighting, and then the Proud Boys won very quickly, but kept going as they were still on the ground, and that's where they say the charges actually stem from.

00:18:24.000 But actually, later on, more footage was released showing that before Antifa even threw the bottle, the Proud Boys were running at them from down the street, and then Antifa threw the bottle.

00:18:35.000 So I actually covered this.

00:18:37.000 After they stomped the guys on the ground, which is all on video, they kept live-streaming, and one of the guys who was streaming was filming a couple Proud Boys laughing about how they were stomping a guy's head on the ground, and one guy was jumping, going, like, yeah!

00:18:51.000 I was smashing him!

00:18:53.000 Then, when I captured, I downloaded that stream, the Proud Boy, when he found out that people were... I think the guy streaming wasn't a Proud Boy.

00:19:00.000 Quickly deleted it.

00:19:01.000 So there's video of The charges stem from they didn't just win like so here's the argument I was told when I covered this people said just because someone's gone down doesn't mean the fight is over and So they wanted to make sure that Antifa didn't get back up because they were a threat But the Proud Boys ran at Antifa and then continued to stomp them and then bragged about it on a live stream afterwards So I'm not going to tell you that I know exactly the entire story on the video side or anything, but when you're basically stalked, right?

00:19:35.000 Your homes get bricks thrown through the window.

00:19:39.000 Your tires get slashed.

00:19:42.000 People are shot on the street.

00:19:46.000 Like, when is enough?

00:19:48.000 Like, when is it that we say enough?

00:19:51.000 Protesters are protesters, right?

00:19:53.000 They have a right.

00:19:53.000 And I've always said this.

00:19:55.000 I support Antifa's right to protest something that they don't see.

00:19:59.000 That they don't see as right.

00:20:01.000 Right?

00:20:01.000 But they're not coming to protest.

00:20:03.000 They didn't come there with glass bottles of urine to have a nice time and to not invoke violence.

00:20:11.000 And these guys are getting stalked on the way to their cars.

00:20:15.000 Okay, so I'm going to defend them to the T. I don't think that some people understand how hard it is.

00:20:28.000 Being a PB, right?

00:20:32.000 Just being a normal person that thinks that there's something wrong and you don't go to any rallies and one day you decide, hey, I'm gonna go to a comedy show with Gavin.

00:20:40.000 And then there's this giant protest outside and they arrested three Antifa members.

00:20:44.000 I think they beat up like a journalist and stole his camera equipment.

00:20:47.000 It was actually an attendee.

00:20:48.000 So I was going to get to that too.

00:20:50.000 One of the attendees of the club was a block away from where that event we were talking about took place.

00:20:55.000 Antifa beat and robbed him.

00:20:57.000 And the, I guess, so there were two major incidents that occurred that night.

00:21:02.000 One where, you know, I described the Proud Boys run up, fight the Antifa, win, stream it.

00:21:08.000 A block away, a guy leaving the event with Gavin was attacked by Antifa.

00:21:12.000 They stole his backpack and fled.

00:21:14.000 I think the police may have recovered the backpack.

00:21:16.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:21:18.000 But from there, there is something really obviously pointed out.

00:21:22.000 The left-wing activists, they're organized.

00:21:26.000 They have advice from lawyers, and they know what they're doing.

00:21:28.000 You guys don't seem to understand how the system actually works.

00:21:32.000 So my understanding of the story, when I was covering it at the time, After the police came and broke up the fight, I believe you're correct that they ultimately didn't do much, but then came back later with charges, the Proud Boys cooperated entirely with the police.

00:21:44.000 Gave them their information, told them what was up.

00:21:46.000 Antifa said F you and ran off.

00:21:48.000 Yep.

00:21:48.000 So my understanding is the DA said, if Antifa was caught at the time and we knew who they were, they would face the same charges, but they got away.

00:21:57.000 The Proud Boys get to go to jail.

00:21:59.000 Do you know what happened to those people that, that, um, stole the book bag?

00:22:04.000 No, what happened?

00:22:04.000 I don't.

00:22:05.000 The DA released him.

00:22:07.000 The guy who stole the book bag?

00:22:08.000 Yes.

00:22:09.000 Really?

00:22:09.000 They let them go.

00:22:11.000 Um, sometimes, sometimes bravery is stupid, right? 1.00

00:22:16.000 So sometimes being prideful is stupid. 1.00

00:22:19.000 Sometimes going to Portland is stupid, right? 1.00

00:22:25.000 But like, we don't want to live in fear. 0.99

00:22:28.000 You know, these guys are facing the consequences and you should, you should see the letters that they send out.

00:22:35.000 They're as bad as the situation that they are in.

00:22:38.000 They're, they're very like, they, they, they love this, right?

00:22:44.000 They love this country.

00:22:45.000 They love what it stands for and they love fighting for it.

00:22:49.000 And as you said, yes, maybe things could have worked out differently.

00:22:53.000 Maybe we shouldn't have talked to the cops.

00:22:55.000 Maybe we should have just kept our mouths shut, but would have that been the right thing to do?

00:23:00.000 It's not the smartest thing to do.

00:23:02.000 I think my personal opinion.

00:23:05.000 I understand what you're saying about being stalked.

00:23:07.000 I've seen the videos.

00:23:08.000 I've been comments for a long time.

00:23:09.000 I remember some of the first events where I saw Proud Boys in person confused what they were doing at these rallies because it was this weird, you know, Gavin joke.

00:23:17.000 But I think what you guys need to realize is you have scrutiny.

00:23:22.000 You're named by Joe Biden.

00:23:24.000 And that means you're walking on the razor's edge.

00:23:27.000 If Antifa is surrounding your event and vandalizing it and smashing it up, you need to let the police take care of it.

00:23:32.000 And if the police won't, we have a serious problem, but that needs to be the issue that's brought up.

00:23:36.000 So even Donald Trump has said the same thing.

00:23:38.000 Law enforcement needs to handle it.

00:23:40.000 I understand, especially in Portland, the district attorneys in Portland, Chicago, Fort Worth, and New York have been releasing all of these rioters.

00:23:48.000 Joe Biden's campaign solicited donations to bail them out, and Kamala Harris did personally.

00:23:53.000 So yeah, it seems like a very serious issue.

00:23:56.000 What I see, however, is the American people who are sick and tired of the riots, the people I know in the Chicagoland area who are sick and tired of the riots, and then roll their eyes in annoyance when they hear Proud Boys are coming around, and then it's essentially just going to cause more fighting or...

00:24:12.000 Not that you guys are on par with what Antifa and Black Lives Matter are doing in rioting, but that they're sick of all of it, and they want the police to just shut it down.

00:24:19.000 So wouldn't it be better if you guys just didn't get into fights?

00:24:25.000 I don't think it would be better if you just let cops do their jobs because cops aren't doing their jobs. 0.98

00:24:31.000 It's not that they don't want to, it's that they're not allowed to.

00:24:34.000 So what did it take in Portland?

00:24:37.000 It took two guys with an idea and a phone call to show up in Portland for them to finally do their job, right?

00:24:45.000 There's different ways that we can go about it.

00:24:47.000 It doesn't mean that we gotta fight every time that we go somewhere.

00:24:50.000 Because we've grown, I think we've grown a lot smarter.

00:24:54.000 We understand exactly what they're gonna do before they're gonna do it.

00:25:00.000 And we show up in Portland.

00:25:02.000 We're far as hell from everything.

00:25:04.000 And they finally get a rest.

00:25:05.000 They finally get to use their CS gas.

00:25:07.000 They were happy.

00:25:08.000 They were happy that they got these tools that were necessary to do their job.

00:25:12.000 But so if we let if we let police officers and we say, oh, well, we're going to leave everything to the police officers.

00:25:18.000 Well, we've left everything to the police officers in these cities and they continue to burn.

00:25:23.000 Kenosha happened.

00:25:24.000 I'm sorry.

00:25:24.000 Kenosha happened because of Portland.

00:25:26.000 D.C.

00:25:27.000 happened because of Portland.

00:25:29.000 Chicago's happening, New York, I could keep going, Atlanta, Austin.

00:25:34.000 Portland is setting an example for this and these guys think that they can get away with it.

00:25:38.000 I'm not saying that we're some vigilantes that are going to fix everything and we let the police do their job when we went to Portland.

00:25:44.000 We've let the police do their job.

00:25:46.000 Every time that I've been to Portland, the two last times that I've been to Portland, we've let the cops do their job.

00:25:52.000 We just show up.

00:25:53.000 So, first, it was good to see there was no violence, and the way you handled going to Portland, I understand, makes sense.

00:26:00.000 Yes.

00:26:00.000 You got a state of emergency declared, the police powers were restored, but the police have been making these arrests.

00:26:05.000 The first deputization came from Oregon State Police, because every time they arrest these Black Lives Matter or Antifa rioters, it's the district attorney who keeps releasing them.

00:26:15.000 The state police actually issued a statement saying, what's the point of, I'm paraphrasing by the way, what's the point of doing this if everyone we arrest is cut loose immediately and come right back out and riot?

00:26:25.000 So, I understand what you're saying.

00:26:29.000 The police were empowered a little bit more.

00:26:30.000 There was a deputization of local police, which we'll retain.

00:26:35.000 And there actually is a breaking story right now that the DA, I believe his name is Mike Schmidt in Portland, cut loose an Antifa rioter and the feds immediately came in and issued federal charges.

00:26:44.000 Good.

00:26:45.000 There was a statement made by, so that is one, I guess you, there's pros and there's cons to that result, you know, that the increasing authority of the federal government is worrying in my opinion.

00:26:55.000 I agree.

00:26:55.000 But if local district attorneys aren't stopping these people, and we have now 130 plus days of rioting, Yeah, it becomes really, really difficult to figure out how

00:27:03.000 to solve this problem.

00:27:04.000 So I guess there was in terms of a law enforcement result, you got one, there was no violence.

00:27:08.000 So I can respect that I was wrong about they're going to, you know, I said it's going to be

00:27:14.000 violence. People are going to I'm worried about it. And it didn't it didn't turn out that way.

00:27:16.000 So well, you were right. You were right in your video.

00:27:20.000 Well, what I mean to say is, I believe my criticism was correct.

00:27:23.000 Yeah, the potential for violence is great.

00:27:25.000 But I was wrong in that I absolutely thought there was going to be clashes and violence.

00:27:28.000 We've seen the videos.

00:27:30.000 And I think the American people are tired.

00:27:31.000 And I fully understand what you're saying.

00:27:33.000 And there really is a serious challenge in that we have all of these cities where rioting has kept popping up, notably in the Pacific Northwest.

00:27:41.000 But it's happened in New York.

00:27:43.000 And we just had L.A.

00:27:44.000 Lakers riots, I guess, in L.A., which was absurd.

00:27:47.000 In Portland, they just tore down a statue of Abraham Lincoln.

00:27:51.000 Now, the Teddy Roosevelt one, it was Indigenous Peoples' Day. 0.59

00:27:53.000 Okay, I understand they're mad about both of these individuals, but it doesn't seem like there's a cohesive group.

00:27:58.000 It seems like you have emboldened groups, far-left extremists who have been rioting now for several months, of varying ideologies, from Antifa to Indigenous rights to Black Lives Matter.

00:28:09.000 You've got the indigenous activists tearing down Abraham Lincoln, and you'd think that would be something the Black Lives Matter people actually wouldn't want torn down. 0.77

00:28:17.000 You've got some fringe leftists tearing down Frederick Douglass in Rochester, which is insane, and you think you wouldn't want torn down.

00:28:23.000 But anyway, ultimately, I think, well, I certainly believe, you know, Trump is correct when he says it's coming from the left.

00:28:30.000 The way I described it before is if 300 Proud Boys were marching in front of my house, I'd just be like, what are you doing?

00:28:37.000 Why?

00:28:37.000 I don't get it.

00:28:38.000 If 300 Antifa were marching in my house, I'd be calling the police and saying, you need to get down here because these are the people that put on masks, smash things.

00:28:46.000 We recently saw in Denver, there was a security guard hired by a news outlet, Nine News, and he shot a Trump supporter.

00:28:55.000 According to a reporter on scene, he came up behind her and approached a Trump supporter, police supporter, And made some kind of move towards him.

00:29:05.000 The Trump supporter slapped him in apparently some kind of preemptive or defensive measure, knocking his head off.

00:29:12.000 He took two steps back and then the guy was pulling his gun out as he was stepping back and shot him in the face as the dude was letting off some spray.

00:29:19.000 We also saw what happened in Portland with Michael Reinohl stalking some Trump supporters and then calling them out.

00:29:26.000 We got a couple right here.

00:29:27.000 Take it out.

00:29:27.000 Here?

00:29:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:28.000 And then he shoots him twice in the chest. 0.99

00:29:30.000 We're not seeing So, where are the, like, Trump-supporting conservatives that are doing that kind of behavior?

00:29:38.000 Showing up to rallies, put on by the left, attacking people, hospitalizing them.

00:29:43.000 Like I mentioned, we do have the example of, from the DC Riot Squad, of, I believe it was Portland, where Proud Boys were beating somebody up.

00:29:51.000 So, there are, you know, there are problems here.

00:29:54.000 But we tend to see, the way I describe it is, on the left you have a widespread of blunt force.

00:30:01.000 Whereas extremists associated with the right, whatever that really means, it's complicated terminology, you have extremist actions that are extremely elevated in terms of mass shootings and things like that and bombings.

00:30:13.000 But I don't think it's fair to connect you to, say, a neo-Nazi group.

00:30:19.000 You're clearly not white supremacists.

00:30:21.000 That being said, some of your members were in Charlottesville.

00:30:24.000 I was in Charlottesville.

00:30:25.000 So what was that all about?

00:30:28.000 Were you the very fine people that Trump was talking about?

00:30:30.000 I think I was the very fine people that Trump was talking about, actually.

00:30:32.000 I actually went there on their media capacity to record.

00:30:38.000 I also felt some type of way about tearing down statues, period.

00:30:42.000 Whether they're a work of art.

00:30:44.000 They're supposed to make you feel some sort of way.

00:30:47.000 And I felt like there was protesters on both sides.

00:30:49.000 There was protesters on the other side.

00:30:51.000 That felt like they needed to take the statue down. 0.98

00:30:55.000 But that didn't mean that there weren't people on both sides that weren't utter garbage. 0.98

00:31:02.000 And usually the people on both sides that were utter garbage were the ones sitting in the back and they waited. 0.97

00:31:07.000 They waited till like the end of the event to start these clashes. 0.90

00:31:13.000 I saw it from my own eyes.

00:31:14.000 Heather Heyer lost her life.

00:31:16.000 Right.

00:31:17.000 But I saw an Antifa black block with a broken flagpole trying to harpoon somebody. 0.98

00:31:26.000 And the only reason that they weren't successful is because that guy was wearing a plate carrier, or else it would have been two deaths.

00:31:32.000 I mean, I'm talking about this guy went was ramming this thing full speed at him.

00:31:36.000 And luckily it was broken up and state police was Like maybe 10 feet away and he just turned his back to this.

00:31:46.000 So that, you know, that let police do their job sometimes just doesn't work.

00:31:51.000 Sometimes you have to step in and I'm not saying to be a vigilante.

00:31:54.000 I'm not telling anybody to be a vigilante and I don't think you should be a vigilante, but sometimes we can do something and we can be smarter.

00:32:01.000 But yes, there was people on both sides that were horrible.

00:32:06.000 But there was people on both sides that I saw conversations where people were having, hey, I think that we should tear down this statue.

00:32:13.000 It's a statue to slavery.

00:32:14.000 And somebody else was saying, no, this isn't a statue to slavery.

00:32:16.000 And they had like their compelling arguments.

00:32:19.000 And we don't have enough of that.

00:32:22.000 You know, and the media, that doesn't sell.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 That doesn't get clicks.

00:32:26.000 And these media giants are corporations.

00:32:28.000 Their main purpose is to make money.

00:32:30.000 And that's why they said, do not interview the Proud Boys, even though they got named in a presidential debate, one of the most consequential in our lifetimes.

00:32:38.000 I think it's extremely important to figure out who you are, what you stand for, you know, and what you're doing.

00:32:44.000 In terms of Charlottesville, I believe Gavin issued a statement denouncing the alt-right.

00:32:49.000 Yes.

00:32:49.000 But wasn't one of the organizers a Proud Boy?

00:32:52.000 He came.

00:32:53.000 So, so first we have to see what a Proud Boy is, right?

00:32:57.000 In order to say, well, he's a member or not.

00:32:59.000 So a member is somebody that's integrated into a chapter.

00:33:02.000 Cause like, let's say we're hanging out at a bar.

00:33:05.000 You've heard of the Proud Boys and you want to be part of the Proud Boys, but you're in town.

00:33:09.000 Let's say we're in Miami and you're from New York.

00:33:11.000 So I could give you like a first degree, but that doesn't mean that you're a member.

00:33:15.000 Like you have to integrate into a chapter.

00:33:17.000 What is a first degree?

00:33:18.000 First degree is that you claim that you're a Western chauvinist and you refuse to apologize for creating the modern world.

00:33:24.000 That doesn't mean that you're a proud boy, that means like you're just taking that pledge.

00:33:29.000 What's a chauvinist?

00:33:30.000 In this context?

00:33:31.000 Well it's funny because we use words in certain ways in order to get, I guess to be provocative.

00:33:38.000 Like American supremacist, I guess it was provocative when I was flying over here.

00:33:42.000 But chauvinist means excessively patriotic is what it means, what that word means.

00:33:49.000 And people get that confused all the time with male chauvinist, which are two completely different things. 0.99

00:33:56.000 Like a person that's a male chauvinist is extremely proud to have a penis, right? 0.99

00:34:02.000 Or extremely proud to be a man. 0.98

00:34:05.000 A Western chauvinist is somebody that's Excessively patriotic towards the West, Western values.

00:34:12.000 And in the case of American Proud Boys, as we have Proud Boys chapters around the world, including in Eastern countries, we're patriotic.

00:34:22.000 We're extremely patriotic towards America.

00:34:25.000 Is that what you mean by West specifically?

00:34:27.000 Yes.

00:34:28.000 Well, American Proud Boys, yes.

00:34:30.000 But Western civilization also, as a whole, created this awesome system where we're able to sit next to each other and broadcast to millions of viewers and in the comfort of a studio.

00:34:43.000 Then what's the opposite of that?

00:34:44.000 What's the alternative to Western civilization?

00:34:46.000 Eastern civilization?

00:34:48.000 Well, the opposite would be, uh, yeah, it would be Eastern civilization. 0.86

00:34:52.000 And it doesn't mean, here's another thing, like, just because it's kind of like an America first thing.

00:34:58.000 And then the first thing people think of is like, Oh, well, you're crapping all over the other countries.

00:35:02.000 No, it doesn't mean that we're putting other countries last.

00:35:06.000 It means that we want to put America first, whether it's through activism, legislation, um, anything that we do in our lives, we do want to put our country first.

00:35:14.000 Uh, Now we have allies like Mexico and Canada.

00:35:18.000 It doesn't mean that they're last.

00:35:19.000 We actually were the most giving country in the world.

00:35:23.000 We could fund the UN by ourselves.

00:35:24.000 We don't need all help.

00:35:26.000 But why would we do that?

00:35:28.000 So what have they given us?

00:35:29.000 So I don't want to deviate too far.

00:35:32.000 I do want to come back to the degrees of Proud Boy, but I want to take it back to Charlottesville real quick.

00:35:36.000 So, who was this guy?

00:35:38.000 And who was organizing it?

00:35:40.000 You're saying that he, was he not a proud boy or what?

00:35:43.000 He came to a meeting, and after that he didn't get integrated into a chapter, and then shortly after that he decided to do the Unite the Right rally, which is what it was called in Charlottesville.

00:35:57.000 And we saw it coming from a mile away that it was a horrible idea. 1.00

00:36:02.000 It was just a stupid idea. 1.00

00:36:04.000 Weren't there, like, avowed white nationalists, like, before the event happened, saying they were organizing this? 1.00

00:36:09.000 They were coming down?

00:36:10.000 Yeah.

00:36:11.000 There was people that were saying that they're going to come down and they're not going to tear down these statues.

00:36:16.000 But these were the avowed white nationalists.

00:36:19.000 So, like, you knew beforehand who was going to be there?

00:36:22.000 We knew.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, obviously.

00:36:23.000 You knew it because after he announced that this, like, even the flyer was cringey.

00:36:29.000 You know, that's why we knew it wasn't going to be a good event to go to, period.

00:36:33.000 So that's why Gavin said that he disavowed the entire event. 0.99

00:36:39.000 And these guys were so stupid that they thought that the first one went so good that they started making Unite the Right 2, which was a complete flop. 1.00

00:36:47.000 Oh, that was ridiculous. 1.00

00:36:50.000 So let me ask you. 0.84

00:36:52.000 Knowing who was organizing, who was going to be there.

00:36:55.000 And then even the night before you had these people marching around as Joe Biden likes to, you know, constantly talk about the people with the torches at a certain point.

00:37:03.000 Don't, don't just say like, I don't want to be here with these people.

00:37:06.000 Are you asking me personally?

00:37:08.000 Yeah, you were there, right?

00:37:09.000 Yeah, I was there.

00:37:10.000 Well, I wasn't at that Tiki Torch march.

00:37:11.000 No, no, right, right, right.

00:37:13.000 I wasn't at that Tiki Torch, and I wasn't there, like, as an activist.

00:37:16.000 I was there to record.

00:37:17.000 Oh, okay.

00:37:18.000 I was there to record.

00:37:19.000 I didn't really... I did feel, like I just said, I did feel some type of way of tearing down history.

00:37:26.000 My parents, my grandfather's Cuban and I've gone to Cuba many times throughout my adult life and I've understood like what the consequences of a socialist government is.

00:37:39.000 I've understood them erasing history and as a matter of fact, Um, when Che Guevara and Castro were taking over the island from the west coast to the east coast, there was this little farm just outside the outskirts of a city that needed, that was strategically important for the revolution.

00:37:58.000 So they took over that farm, but they asked the family that was there, you know, that they wanted to use the farm as a forward operating base in order to attack the city. 0.64

00:38:08.000 Well, when that family declined, they got the two oldest males and they brought them out, they put them on their knees, they tied their hands behind their back, and they shot them in the back of the head.

00:38:19.000 And that family shares a last name with me because they were my family, is the Tarrios.

00:38:25.000 So I do know and what they did on the island after that made my grandfather leave They started erasing history and the same thing the same thing that I saw What they wanted to do in Charlottesville again, I wasn't gonna go if I didn't get a gig recording I wouldn't have gone I would have seen the mayhem from the comfort of my phone but It was, it was something that you needed to be there.

00:38:55.000 The media spun it, uh, in a way that I've never seen them spin something like that before.

00:39:01.000 Like before I got to my hotel room, that's it.

00:39:04.000 It was, it was chaos and there was chaos.

00:39:08.000 Uh, but they focused on small fringe groups.

00:39:14.000 They didn't focus on people, they didn't focus on those small conversations.

00:39:18.000 Actually that was the first time I met Darryl Lamont Jenkins and he was having actually a really good conversation with somebody.

00:39:25.000 Who is Darryl?

00:39:29.000 Self-identified member of Antifa that lives in the Philadelphia area, I believe, and I've had multiple conversations with him before.

00:39:40.000 Out in DC, Portland, I've seen him all over the place, but he did have a conversation.

00:39:44.000 He did have nasty conversations with people, but the media focuses On the bad that's going on in the world and people like to focus on, Oh my God, the civil war is coming.

00:39:56.000 I don't believe that.

00:39:57.000 I believe like you go to the grocery store, talk to your neighbor.

00:40:01.000 The country isn't as divided as, as the magic light box makes you think it is.

00:40:08.000 So, but it doesn't mean that we could just sit idly and not do anything.

00:40:13.000 And I don't, I don't want to do that.

00:40:15.000 So what do you, what, what, what's your, what's your mission?

00:40:17.000 What's your goal?

00:40:18.000 Um, what's my goal personally?

00:40:20.000 Or with the Proud Boys?

00:40:21.000 You said you don't want to sit back and do nothing.

00:40:25.000 Something a lot of people don't know is that most Proud Boys aren't activists.

00:40:30.000 Most of them don't go to rallies.

00:40:32.000 Most of them, the only activism I guess that they do is go out to vote.

00:40:37.000 There's a small percentage of Proud Boys that are politically active, like myself.

00:40:42.000 I've been active for 18 years.

00:40:45.000 I was a canvasser.

00:40:46.000 I was a campaign manager, door knocker.

00:40:50.000 I've worked the polls.

00:40:54.000 And it's always something that I've been passionate about.

00:40:57.000 So our goals are simple.

00:41:01.000 We think about the entire organization and basically what we want to do is just make better men in general.

00:41:08.000 Better brothers, better husbands, better fathers.

00:41:15.000 Everything else after that is auxiliary, right?

00:41:19.000 And I think we focus on more the celebratory aspect of the West instead of the defend aspect of the West, but we do do both, right?

00:41:28.000 So let me ask you the very, in my opinion, I can't stand the question, but we'll do it anyway.

00:41:34.000 Will you right now denounce white supremacy?

00:41:37.000 No.

00:41:38.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:41:39.000 I'm kidding.

00:41:40.000 I'm kidding.

00:41:41.000 So check this out.

00:41:42.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:41:43.000 That's what they're gonna pick up right now.

00:41:44.000 Okay, so unequivocally, and I've said this before, I denounce white supremacy.

00:41:52.000 I denounce anti-Semitism.

00:41:55.000 I denounce fascism.

00:41:57.000 I denounce communism.

00:41:58.000 I denounce Antifa.

00:41:59.000 I denounce any other ism, right? 1.00

00:42:02.000 That is prejudice against people because of the color of their skin, because of their religion, because of their cultural background, and anything that has to do with authoritarian governments.

00:42:15.000 And I hate having to repeat that so many times, and I know that there's a lot of viewers here that don't know who the Proud Boys is, but I have to constantly repeat that.

00:42:22.000 I don't like labeling myself, and this is the Afro-Cuban label, something that the media uses all the time, and I hate putting people in boxes.

00:42:31.000 People shouldn't be put in boxes.

00:42:37.000 Like people say, oh, well, how could they be racist?

00:42:39.000 And here, look, I'll be clear about that.

00:42:41.000 How could they be racist if they have a brown chairman? 0.96

00:42:44.000 Well, you could. 0.84

00:42:45.000 You could be any color and be racist, but I am not racist.

00:42:48.000 The organization is not racist.

00:42:50.000 We don't care. 1.00

00:42:51.000 I just really need to point out how stupid our current media ecosystem is that I have to ask a black man if he's a white supremacist. 1.00

00:42:58.000 So I recognize the absurdity of the question for all the people in the audience. 1.00

00:43:01.000 I think it's stupid. 0.98

00:43:03.000 But that's like I think people who are like regular moderate Americans and conservatives roll their eyes when they constantly hear questions like that. 1.00

00:43:12.000 But you have this.

00:43:15.000 institution, this news institutions, these news institutions that genuinely don't know or don't

00:43:20.000 care. And so you have to sort of have a question like that, in a sense, to make sure it's absolutely

00:43:28.000 and positively clear, as absurd and stupid as it is. 0.99

00:43:32.000 It's also kind of incomplete because it's like you denounce racial supremacy. 1.00

00:43:36.000 Yes.

00:43:37.000 Yeah, of course!

00:43:38.000 Together, period.

00:43:38.000 And that should be the argument.

00:43:40.000 Not white, not black supremacy, not Native American supremacy, not Jewish supremacy. 0.98

00:43:44.000 It's all bad stuff. 0.99

00:43:45.000 Being a racial supremacist is a bad thing.

00:43:48.000 Yeah.

00:43:49.000 Well, so let me ask you about that shirt.

00:43:51.000 Okay.

00:43:51.000 American supremacist.

00:43:52.000 I have here the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of fascism.

00:43:58.000 They say, a political philosophy, movement, or regime, such as that of the fascisti, that exalts nation, and often race, above the individual, and that stands for a centralized autocratic government, headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

00:44:17.000 So, um, I think you've already explained this.

00:44:20.000 I think the only thing out of that is that you, uh, are a patriot, but I don't, would you, so, clearly, Let me just ask you, are you for a centralized autocratic government?

00:44:30.000 Absolutely not.

00:44:31.000 Are you in favor of putting the race above the individual? 0.94

00:44:34.000 No.

00:44:35.000 Are you in favor of a dictatorial leader?

00:44:37.000 Nope.

00:44:37.000 Social or economic regimentation?

00:44:39.000 Nope.

00:44:40.000 Or forcible suppression of your opposition?

00:44:42.000 Nope.

00:44:43.000 Do you believe that Antifa should be allowed to go out and protest so they don't get violent?

00:44:46.000 Yes.

00:44:47.000 Do you think that the nation should be exalted above the individual?

00:44:51.000 No.

00:44:52.000 Well, I think the individual, I think the individual, the reason why I'm an American supremacist is because the founding of this country is about the individual.

00:45:02.000 It's about your individual liberties.

00:45:05.000 The founding fathers didn't envision this.

00:45:08.000 Powerhouse.

00:45:09.000 This isn't what they wanted, per se.

00:45:13.000 It's beautiful that we have it.

00:45:15.000 But they just wanted to build a nation that was free.

00:45:19.000 That you have your plot of land.

00:45:21.000 You could practice your religion.

00:45:23.000 You could have your family.

00:45:25.000 You can raise them however you want.

00:45:28.000 And be free of Basically, to do whatever it is that you want, right?

00:45:35.000 And the federal government was built to protect that from foreign invaders.

00:45:39.000 And we've gotten so far past that.

00:45:41.000 It was it was about the individual we got.

00:45:45.000 And it's funny because.

00:45:48.000 The revolution was started at the basement of a bar.

00:45:52.000 The American Revolution.

00:45:53.000 The American Revolution was started at the basement of a bar.

00:45:57.000 And a bunch of farmers and carpenters and just regular Joes faced off against the biggest 1.00

00:46:05.000 superpower that the world has seen to that time.

00:46:09.000 And they won.

00:46:10.000 And they were tired of it.

00:46:11.000 And they didn't want that.

00:46:13.000 So when the president says, I agree with the president, when the president says law and order, I agree with him because I understand where he's coming from.

00:46:20.000 He says law and order in the cities that don't have law and order.

00:46:23.000 Too much law and order is bad.

00:46:25.000 You know, legislators get elected by proposing new legislation, new laws.

00:46:31.000 They don't get elected by deregulating.

00:46:36.000 And I think that's a major problem that we have, and we're so far from that.

00:46:40.000 You know, free speech.

00:46:41.000 You know, okay, yeah, the government isn't stopping us from speaking our words, but now the corporations are.

00:46:48.000 So let me, uh, I'm going to pull up the Anti-Defamation League and I'm going to show you, I'm going to, I'm going to read what they say about your organization.

00:46:55.000 In fact, they use a photo of you in the Proud Boys.

00:46:58.000 It says, uh, they don't say your name.

00:46:59.000 I don't think.

00:46:59.000 I'm going to read what they say about you and some of their criticism.

00:47:03.000 Is it a good photo?

00:47:04.000 It's a great video.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, you look very serious.

00:47:06.000 You're shaving, but you have the goatee going on.

00:47:10.000 They say your ideology is primarily alt-light, misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and anti-immigration. 0.67

00:47:16.000 Some members espouse white supremacist and anti-semitic ideologies and or engage with white supremacist groups.

00:47:23.000 So the first question is, you don't allow women into your organization.

00:47:27.000 We do not.

00:47:29.000 We have an organization that's for women. 1.00

00:47:31.000 What's that organization?

00:47:32.000 Proud Boys Girls.

00:47:33.000 All right.

00:47:34.000 So they say you're misogynists.

00:47:36.000 I don't have... I think we can get into what they actually write down.

00:47:39.000 Actually, let me do this because they don't actually present anything in that generalization.

00:47:45.000 But here's the background.

00:47:46.000 The Proud Boys represent an unconventional strain of American right-wing extremism.

00:47:51.000 While the group can be described as violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic, its members represent a range of ethnic backgrounds, and its leaders vehemently protest any allegations of racism.

00:48:03.000 Their founder Gavin McInnes went so far as to file a defamation lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center when the SPLC designated the Proud Boys a hate group.

00:48:12.000 So they do point out, you have various backgrounds, but they call you violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic.

00:48:19.000 So, I don't know, if you want to have a direct response to, you know, what they're saying there, and then I'll ask you some questions.

00:48:27.000 I mean, there's a lot of like, a lot of word there to dispel.

00:48:31.000 But, um, again, it's like a repetitive answer.

00:48:36.000 We don't care what somebody's race is.

00:48:38.000 We don't care what somebody's religion is. 0.79

00:48:41.000 Are jokes crude?

00:48:42.000 Yes.

00:48:43.000 Um, we joke about all kinds of things.

00:48:46.000 We joke about, we joke about races.

00:48:49.000 We joke.

00:48:50.000 I make fun of myself. 0.97

00:48:51.000 I make fun of the white dudes. 0.94

00:48:52.000 I always call the, the, Like I said earlier, like in my chapter, white is a minority. 0.79

00:49:01.000 So, but there's not, there's not like this level of seriousness with us.

00:49:05.000 And I said, we don't take ourselves seriously.

00:49:08.000 We take what we do seriously.

00:49:09.000 I take what I do seriously.

00:49:11.000 but we don't take ourselves serious enough where we're not laughing.

00:49:14.000 Um, where we're constantly on, I feel like we've been put on like this defense. Um,

00:49:23.000 I just came from AmpFest, um, in Miami and like, all the speakers are talking about how, uh,

00:49:29.000 how we should be on how the left is doing this, how the left is encroaching on things and how we're not

00:49:39.000 racist.

00:49:40.000 We're not racist.

00:49:40.000 We're not.

00:49:41.000 I'm tired of that.

00:49:42.000 Like we in 2016, we were we were funny.

00:49:46.000 We were on the offense.

00:49:48.000 And I feel like right now getting labeled everything by by the ADL, by the SPLC, which is is a money mill.

00:49:57.000 You know, they started out.

00:49:58.000 I'm not even going to say I believe this wholeheartedly.

00:50:02.000 But they were started out with good intention to do away with the Ku Klux Klan, right?

00:50:08.000 And they did.

00:50:09.000 And as the world got more and more peaceful, there was less and less bogeymen and less and less enemies to grift off of.

00:50:16.000 So what do they have to do?

00:50:17.000 They have to create these enemies.

00:50:20.000 Right?

00:50:20.000 We're not Islamophobic.

00:50:22.000 We're not homophobic.

00:50:23.000 We're not transphobic.

00:50:24.000 We're not any of that.

00:50:25.000 They were trying to, uh, they were trying to, I guess, make fun of us.

00:50:30.000 I didn't, I don't know if you saw that, like the pictures, they put Proud Boys hashtag and they had like two dudes.

00:50:35.000 Oh, right.

00:50:35.000 Yes, I did.

00:50:36.000 Right.

00:50:36.000 I actually, I called that out as a really good example of the left not understanding what the right is actually talking about or doing.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, and I put up a picture of like Gavin making out with Kyle.

00:50:47.000 I don't know if you saw that.

00:50:49.000 I put that and I put hashtag Proud Boys.

00:50:52.000 They thought, they thought, oh, oh, Proud Boys are furious about it.

00:50:56.000 Yeah, obviously, they have not infiltrated our chats.

00:51:00.000 Because if they would, they'd be like, Oh, well, this is like, this is play school stuff.

00:51:06.000 This is the problem we have with the media.

00:51:11.000 Joe Biden made you the chosen boogeyman of these groups.

00:51:14.000 And I thank him for it.

00:51:15.000 And they do?

00:51:16.000 The media?

00:51:17.000 No, I thank Joe Biden.

00:51:18.000 Oh, why do you thank him?

00:51:20.000 Because people that are going to vote for Biden are going to vote for Biden no matter what.

00:51:25.000 And they're not really actually voting for Biden.

00:51:26.000 They're voting anti-Trump.

00:51:29.000 There's no energy there.

00:51:30.000 But whatever.

00:51:32.000 That's my opinion.

00:51:33.000 Trump supporters are going to vote for Trump no matter what.

00:51:37.000 But these people in the Senate that are watching that are actually trying to decide between one candidate or another, this thing gets brought up.

00:51:46.000 We're a bigger hit than COVID when COVID should be like one of the main things that both candidates are talking about.

00:51:53.000 Um, Proud Boys comes up in like a little snippet and it suddenly turns into, to date, uh, he's, uh, the Biden camp has sent 14 ads, email ads for fundraising with Proud Boys names on it.

00:52:07.000 White supremacy and white supremacy.

00:52:09.000 Um, while those people that are watching to, to figure out what side that which person that they're going to vote on, they come up with Proud Boys and they're like, oh, okay, well these guys must be bad because Biden just mentioned them.

00:52:22.000 Well, when you go ahead and you Google and just on the surface, I know that there's like our Wikipedia page is edited by Antifa.

00:52:32.000 But you do just a little bit of digging and they'll understand who we are.

00:52:34.000 Plus, and I'll say this, I think first on your show.

00:52:41.000 I have 160 guys in my chapter, in my South Florida chapter.

00:52:45.000 I have 345, which is the last time I checked, 345 applications to join my chapter alone, and that is something that has expanded across the country.

00:52:56.000 It's the same thing all over the place, where they have more people in vetting, in the vetting process, than they do in their chapter.

00:53:02.000 He has grown our numbers exponentially.

00:53:04.000 You're saying Joe Biden has grown your numbers by...

00:53:08.000 Yes.

00:53:09.000 And I think they're happy, too.

00:53:10.000 I think Joe Biden's very happy to hear that.

00:53:12.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 Well, he's probably fundraising.

00:53:15.000 He wants a lot of money.

00:53:16.000 Well, he wants a boogeyman.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 Right.

00:53:18.000 They need one.

00:53:20.000 I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who have been yelling at me in the comments because, you know, I've been asking you a lot of these questions and, you know, giving some critique and pushback.

00:53:28.000 And I'm sure there's much people on the left who are saying I'm not nearly hard enough.

00:53:31.000 But the, I think obviously the media, the way they frame what the Proud Boys are, who you are, is very clearly fake news.

00:53:41.000 I think when I look at the Anti-Defamation League, they got a bunch of citations and sources for various Proud Boys.

00:53:45.000 And so I'll get into that.

00:53:47.000 I think they're taking a left critical view of you.

00:53:50.000 Some, some of these things like transphobic, for instance, I think it's fair to say there are from a left perspective, there are probably a lot of instances where they could call you a transphobic.

00:53:59.000 My bathroom at my office has a, has a piece of artwork from Sabo that has like half man, half woman that says it, right?

00:54:09.000 I do it as a joke.

00:54:11.000 Do I treat people that are transgender different? 1.00

00:54:16.000 No, I don't.

00:54:17.000 Do I like joking about things?

00:54:19.000 Yes, of course.

00:54:21.000 But at the end of the day, it's what your actions are, not what your words are.

00:54:24.000 Unless they're words, unless they're like very strong words.

00:54:27.000 Like I say something because you're trans. 1.00

00:54:30.000 You get me?

00:54:31.000 I don't do that.

00:54:32.000 And my guys don't do that.

00:54:34.000 Well, there are certain people, Proud Boys.

00:54:38.000 They're a little spicier than normal. 0.99

00:54:40.000 Yeah.

00:54:40.000 You can't control them.

00:54:41.000 You know, they'll go on TV or they'll be at a park or they'll say something.

00:54:45.000 And that reflects on all of you.

00:54:47.000 Of course.

00:54:47.000 That's as a group.

00:54:48.000 Yes.

00:54:49.000 It's it's it's probably as You know, you could run PR for one person.

00:54:55.000 It's very easy.

00:54:56.000 But running a PR for an entire group, you know, is scary.

00:55:00.000 But let me tell you something.

00:55:03.000 We're not what the media describes us as.

00:55:06.000 I have the best group of guys that I have ever met.

00:55:09.000 OK, and I have never myself.

00:55:12.000 The only time that I've experienced like racism is when somebody drops the N-bomb on me from the other side or calls me a coon or calls me Uncle Tom.

00:55:23.000 My guys have never even referred to me anywhere close to what they have.

00:55:30.000 Yes, are we crude?

00:55:31.000 Are we everybody's cup of tea?

00:55:33.000 Absolutely not.

00:55:35.000 We cuss like sailors and it's taking everything inside of me not to cuss right now.

00:55:40.000 Thank you.

00:55:42.000 I was in Portland and I saw a black Proud Boy and Antifa was screaming the N-word and other words at him and it was just shockingly gratuitous.

00:55:52.000 And he snapped.

00:55:53.000 He snapped.

00:55:54.000 He pulled away from the group of Trump supporters who were marching, and he went to cross the street through the police line.

00:56:00.000 And I saw another proud boy run up, grab him, hug him, put his forehead to him and said, don't let them get to you.

00:56:06.000 We're brothers.

00:56:06.000 Your race doesn't matter.

00:56:08.000 You're here with us.

00:56:08.000 Ignore them.

00:56:10.000 I was—I gotta say, it was shocking to hear the racial slurs being spouted by Antifa.

00:56:14.000 There's a video of it, actually, where—I'm pretty sure I have that video published on my channel somewhere.

00:56:19.000 I have too many videos.

00:56:20.000 But there's also a video of Antifa in Portland screaming the N-word and racial slurs at ICE agents.

00:56:26.000 So I've seen that, and I've wondered why it is the media doesn't call that out specifically, because for all the criticism anyone or I could give to the Proud Boys, that's the criticism that needs to be said of Antifa and these other far-left extremists.

00:56:38.000 Wouldn't that video, wouldn't those videos, because I have, I have videos like that.

00:56:44.000 Wouldn't those videos put them on the SPLC's radar?

00:56:50.000 Because the SPLC says that we haven't classified Antifa because they're not, they don't discriminate based on race.

00:56:56.000 But here we are.

00:56:57.000 I have a whole bunch of those videos.

00:56:59.000 You said that you have some, and I know my guys have a whole bunch.

00:57:02.000 Oh yeah.

00:57:03.000 Um, I think I get, I get called uncle Tom all the time.

00:57:07.000 No, but I understand that the left doesn't take, you know, issue with that racial slur.

00:57:11.000 Of course not.

00:57:12.000 But no, they were saying the N-word.

00:57:13.000 They were screaming it.

00:57:14.000 Yeah.

00:57:14.000 And I was just like, I could, I was standing there like, I knew these people were nasty, but that was like, they wanted a fight.

00:57:21.000 They wanted a fight and they wanted to trigger this guy and it almost worked.

00:57:25.000 And, uh, man, I couldn't believe it.

00:57:27.000 But, uh, bringing this up, we, I have a, uh, I think one of the most important stories Proud Boys, Black Lives Matter leaders, meet to denounce white supremacy.

00:57:37.000 And it looks like we have two Proud Boys as well as a black woman with a Black Lives Matter shirt on. 0.89

00:57:43.000 And I'm not entirely sure.

00:57:44.000 It looks like one of the Proud Boys is white, but the other appears to be non-white of some sort.

00:57:49.000 I really hate that they've racialized everything.

00:57:51.000 I hate that I have to bring it up.

00:57:53.000 I have to talk about it.

00:57:53.000 It really is frustrating and annoying and absurd.

00:57:56.000 But I think it's important to point this story out.

00:57:57.000 This is from 17newsmystateline.com.

00:58:01.000 They say, Salt Lake City, leaders of a local chapter of both Proud Boys and Black Lives Matter met to denounce white supremacy last week after they were mentioned at the first presidential debate.

00:58:11.000 The Proud Boys said their safety is threatened when people believe they are white supremacists.

00:58:15.000 Quote, I will go out and say that the Proud Boys as a whole, I will say this on behalf of the entire national organization, denounce white supremacy.

00:58:23.000 The chief of the Proud Boys Salt Lake Utah chapter, who only gave the name Thad, said, Fox 13 reported, we are in no way shape or form white supremacists.

00:58:33.000 We have a vetting system that gets those people out of our hair. 0.83

00:58:36.000 We do not have anything to do with white supremacy.

00:58:38.000 We do not have anything to do with the Ku Klux Klan.

00:58:40.000 We denounce those organizations.

00:58:43.000 Then we have another quote from Proud Boys met with Jakari Kelly, the leader of Black Lives Matter Northern Utah, which is not affiliated with Black Lives Matter Utah, saying, I had no idea who the Proud Boys were.

00:58:54.000 I heard the words Proud Boys mentioned throughout the activist community, and I just didn't know who they were.

00:58:59.000 And then I started to hear they were white supremacists.

00:59:02.000 Kelly met with Thad and Proud Boys Chapter President Seth to discuss myths about both groups.

00:59:07.000 We came to realize we had more in common than not.

00:59:09.000 In order to combat evil and racism and hatred in this country, we do need to be able to reach across the aisle and have these tough conversations that everybody is scared to have.

00:59:18.000 Kelly said the Proud Boys she met are not white supremacists, and said they were proud American men who needed a little bit of respect and education in order to bridge the gaps.

00:59:27.000 I don't care what color your skin is, we're all Americans, and we need to find a way to come together instead of divide," said Seth.

00:59:32.000 Thad, however, singled out Antifa, which Biden called an idea and not an organization, at the debate, saying, They are a problem.

00:59:39.000 They are not an idea.

00:59:41.000 They are very much an organization.

00:59:42.000 They are in terrorist cells.

00:59:44.000 That's why they say they are not an organization.

00:59:46.000 They function autonomously, in cells, much like terrorists.

00:59:50.000 According to KUTV, Thad said the SPLC and the ADL, along with mainstream media, had created a misconception about the group, blaming violence that has taken place at certain Proud Boys events on provocations by Antifa.

01:00:02.000 They go on to mention, you know, where the Proud Boys were found with Gavin McInnes.

01:00:06.000 And I just want to point out that...

01:00:11.000 To hear a Black Lives Matter leader saying, I don't know who this group is, I'm going to meet with them, and then saying, no, they just need some education and some respect, but they're proud American men, I think really shows the media is constructing much of the narrative.

01:00:26.000 If you're going to have a Black Lives Matter leader actually come out and vouch for you guys, I think that's powerful.

01:00:31.000 But more importantly, we saw something interesting as Thad calls out Antifa.

01:00:34.000 I think this is important.

01:00:35.000 Just the other day, a Black Lives Matter activist Radded on Antifa.

01:00:41.000 Antifa was planning a flash mob in, I believe it was Portland.

01:00:45.000 And a Black Lives Matter activist said, stop using Black Lives Matter to disguise your activism.

01:00:51.000 And apparently alerted the police, who as soon as the group formed, within minutes, surrounded them on all sides and arrested every single one of them.

01:00:59.000 So this is Antifa getting arrested essentially because Black Lives Matter tipped them off.

01:01:04.000 I wonder if the real problem in this country is the far-left provocateurs and extremists who are attacking Trump supporters, conservatives, who are essentially acting with impunity when these DAs just cut them loose across the country.

01:01:18.000 And we've seen numerous videos where Black Lives Matter activists call them out.

01:01:22.000 There was one where some black women were yelling at some white Antifa women who were spray painting. 0.85

01:01:27.000 And then you have these white women saying, oh no, we're doing it for you. 1.00

01:01:29.000 But they're damaging, you know, the black community. 1.00

01:01:32.000 I guess I bring all this up because following the story, I'm curious what your thoughts are on Black Lives Matter, especially in this context and with Antifa.

01:01:40.000 There is some overlap between the riots with Black Lives Matter and Antifa as well.

01:01:45.000 So I was actually going to make a press release before I came on the show last week about this.

01:01:51.000 I haven't spoken about this and this is actually the first time I'm going to speak about this, but our Salt Lake chapter has been in talks, right?

01:02:01.000 With trying to make amends with certain groups and Jakari met with Thad and they had private conversations and he called me and he's like, I'm doing this and this is something that I think is important.

01:02:16.000 We're clashing a lot, but I think we could make amends somehow.

01:02:23.000 So after our 26th rally, I actually took some time out of our festivities that night to meet with Jakari.

01:02:31.000 And it started out as a very volatile situation where we didn't agree with each other at all, but there was something in common that we had.

01:02:39.000 And before I say that, I think the BLM movement, right, the premise that it was started on, on police brutality, I think it's something that everybody should vibe with.

01:02:51.000 I think police brutality is bad, period.

01:02:55.000 It's not something that our group focuses on as much, but we respect that other groups are focused on that.

01:03:04.000 But there is some overlapping things that both groups have, right?

01:03:10.000 Two of our tenants, which should be, I feel like they should be conservative values, but usually they're not portrayed that way, is the closure of private prisons.

01:03:19.000 I was in prison for some time for a white collar crime.

01:03:23.000 I deserved all 10 months of what I got.

01:03:26.000 And another thing is the failed drug war.

01:03:29.000 And we, both groups, at least at that point, we could disagree on everything else.

01:03:34.000 And we do.

01:03:35.000 We do.

01:03:36.000 Because it was a very, again, it was a very volatile situation in the beginning, but we got past it.

01:03:41.000 And I've been on the legislative side of things for a little bit of time.

01:03:48.000 So the first step was getting together and making those amends.

01:03:52.000 And so after that meeting, they met a couple of more times.

01:03:55.000 And they actually had a press conference that had nothing to do with the debate at all.

01:03:59.000 This was already planned. 0.91

01:04:03.000 And I know that we were going to catch crap by both sides. 0.98

01:04:07.000 We always catch crap from the left, but we knew we were going to catch crap for working with BLM. 0.98

01:04:12.000 But it's beyond that. 0.99

01:04:15.000 There's something wrong with the judicial system in this country.

01:04:17.000 And our guys, I feel strongly that our guys in New York got the short end of the shaft there.

01:04:23.000 And it's because of that broken system.

01:04:25.000 So our next phase is working together on getting some type of something passed through the legislator on something that we disagree on.

01:04:33.000 And that's imagine as a legislator, even like a freshman legislator, you got the Proud Boys and BLM walk in and they come together and they want to present something that is either anti-drug war or towards private prisons, something that's pro-liberty.

01:04:52.000 So that's why we met and we feel like bridging that gap is important when needed.

01:04:59.000 And their movement has also been co-opted by anarcho-communists that aren't there for George Floyd, that aren't there for Breonna Taylor, that aren't there for any of those.

01:05:11.000 They're just there to crash this system. 0.86

01:05:14.000 They're there.

01:05:15.000 They think they're role playing these revolutionaries.

01:05:17.000 And I'm here to tell you right now, those people, Antifa, they're victims.

01:05:22.000 They're victims to a system that has failed them.

01:05:25.000 They're victims to a media that has told them to hate people because of their values.

01:05:31.000 To me, white pride groups, right? 0.56

01:05:35.000 They're prideful of things.

01:05:36.000 You get me?

01:05:37.000 You ask them, Hey, how do you feel about black or brown people? 0.99

01:05:39.000 And they're like, Oh, well, I hate them. 0.99

01:05:43.000 You have to ask me.

01:05:43.000 Hey, I denounce all those things, but go ahead and ask them to denounce communism and they'll, they embrace it.

01:05:51.000 I mean, I love it.

01:05:52.000 I can't get, um, I've asked some of my staunch, you know, pro Biden friends.

01:05:57.000 I shouldn't say pro Biden.

01:05:58.000 Anti-Trump is probably a better way to put it.

01:06:00.000 Denounce Antifa.

01:06:00.000 They won't.

01:06:01.000 They literally won't do it.

01:06:03.000 It's the weirdest thing to me.

01:06:04.000 And this, and I think this is a big indicator of something, you know, happening in this country.

01:06:09.000 I don't know if Donald Trump's going to win.

01:06:10.000 I think there's a lot of reasons to think he will.

01:06:12.000 The data is completely against him.

01:06:14.000 But there's a group of people in this country, former liberals, politically homeless, who have absolutely no problem saying white supremacy is horrifying, evil, wrong, should be denounced totally, beyond totally, just get rid of all of it. 0.82

01:06:26.000 And Antifa is bad too, because they're violent authoritarians who go around burning down people's buildings.

01:06:31.000 Why is it so difficult for people on the left who are voting against Trump to denounce Antifa?

01:06:37.000 I don't know.

01:06:38.000 I wish I had a clear answer to that, but they've created this system.

01:06:42.000 They've made them their foot soldiers.

01:06:44.000 You get me?

01:06:48.000 They've taken so long to do it that even Don Lemon the other day called him out on it because of the polls.

01:06:54.000 He saw the poll numbers and he's like, well, Democrats aren't doing good.

01:06:57.000 These riots.

01:06:58.000 I mean, the two biggest things that were going on in the country this past year, besides all the craziness that 2020 has brought, is COVID and riots, right?

01:07:09.000 And Democrats, imagine you're a business owner.

01:07:12.000 I'm up.

01:07:13.000 I've been a small business owner my entire life.

01:07:17.000 Imagine that you get shut down for three months while Walmart, Amazon, all these major corporations are making billions and your little coffee shop gets shut down and you're in the middle of Portland.

01:07:34.000 I love coming back to Portland because it's like the epicenter of this.

01:07:38.000 And they go ahead and they shut you down.

01:07:41.000 The city government shuts you down.

01:07:43.000 You have no way of putting food on the table.

01:07:46.000 Democrats are taking forever to sign like these, what's it called, the stimulus things.

01:07:54.000 And then you're finally able to open up.

01:07:56.000 You're in phase two.

01:07:57.000 You're opening up.

01:07:58.000 You're doing Uber Eats.

01:07:59.000 And then here comes Antifa.

01:08:02.000 And they go ahead and they throw a Molotov cocktail through your window and burn down the entire thing.

01:08:08.000 Like, how are you going to feel? 1.00

01:08:08.000 You're going to feel like shit. 1.00

01:08:11.000 Sorry. 0.99

01:08:13.000 Yes, you will. 0.68

01:08:14.000 You're going to feel like crap because everything that you've worked for and they tell me, oh, well, you think of property before people. 0.97

01:08:22.000 That's somebody's sweat and tears. 0.95

01:08:24.000 That's food on the table for your kids, right?

01:08:27.000 That's your future.

01:08:29.000 You're building a future for your family.

01:08:31.000 And somebody comes and the government comes and takes it away from you and then this anarcho-communist group takes it away from you.

01:08:37.000 And that's why I think Trump's gonna win.

01:08:39.000 I think Trump's gonna win because he's been calling out these shutdowns.

01:08:43.000 He's been calling out these riots since day one.

01:08:46.000 We've been screaming about it for four and a half years.

01:08:50.000 We said it's gonna ramp up.

01:08:52.000 We said that they're gonna get worse.

01:08:54.000 So here's the important distinction I'll make now with, as it pertains to anti-fund Black Lives Matter, the overlap.

01:09:00.000 These extremists, these anarcho-communists, I don't think it's fair to call them anarcho-communists.

01:09:04.000 I think they're authoritarian communists.

01:09:07.000 Anarcho-communists are hippies who live on a farm, you know, smoke pot and share some water.

01:09:10.000 Maybe they're all of the above.

01:09:11.000 Anarcho-communists.

01:09:13.000 It's so confusing.

01:09:13.000 Authoritarian.

01:09:14.000 No, no, no.

01:09:15.000 They're seizing the anarchy.

01:09:17.000 They're taking advantage of it.

01:09:18.000 But I think they do want authority.

01:09:19.000 I think anybody who's willing to use violence to get what they want is an authoritarian who will retain that use of that power because they never feel they won.

01:09:25.000 That's like a common theme with these people.

01:09:28.000 They're like, if only I can just win, then I'll make everything right.

01:09:31.000 They use violence, they win, and they say, well, we're not done with the mission yet.

01:09:33.000 We've got to... And so they do these things.

01:09:36.000 But one thing I've said often is that I don't like calling the rioters Antifa because they're flying Black Lives Matter flags.

01:09:42.000 Now, you've mentioned they've co-opted it.

01:09:43.000 Yes.

01:09:44.000 But then they do attract a lot of people who are not communists, who are just racial justice activists, who fly the flag of Black Lives Matter for Black Lives Matter, but they've been radicalized or brought in by, you know, revolutionary communist types.

01:09:57.000 So confusing.

01:09:59.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:10:01.000 So confusing.

01:10:02.000 The Black Lives Matter and Antifa kind of just escalated together with the COVID thing. 0.69

01:10:07.000 And then everybody started losing their jobs and people went out on the street.

01:10:10.000 First thing they did was like loot buildings and to take things that they couldn't afford.

01:10:14.000 That's not true.

01:10:15.000 Or things that they have always wanted, like people walking out with boxes of shoes.

01:10:18.000 There was like one video of someone carrying one shoe.

01:10:20.000 It's not about wanting.

01:10:21.000 It was looting.

01:10:22.000 It was about coming up, making money.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, well, they did it in Miami.

01:10:26.000 They hit the highest mall that they had there, and they pulled out a whole bunch of Gucci bags and Jordans.

01:10:33.000 And I don't know how that honors... You're out there for George Floyd and racial justice.

01:10:40.000 I mean, how does that even begin to honor the system?

01:10:44.000 As a matter of fact, they're making it worse.

01:10:46.000 The defund the police thing, they're making it worse.

01:10:49.000 It's like they're training them To to to quell protests like they're they're basically they're giving them free training to do this and just imagine now here's here's another thing you could imagine so imagine you're a Portland police officer you're sitting there with like a hundred pounds of gear on you right you got no days off

01:11:09.000 Like, today's a riot, so you can't take the day off, and your buddies are lined up, and these people, this green-haired whale is like screaming at you, right? 0.51

01:11:18.000 And some other dude's like throwing water at you, and pointing lasers in your eyes, and then your buddy next to you, he gets hit with a Molotov cocktail, which almost happened.

01:11:30.000 Gets hit with a Molotov cocktail.

01:11:31.000 You gotta turn off your buddy.

01:11:33.000 The night shifts over.

01:11:34.000 The riots have quelled.

01:11:36.000 I don't know where they go.

01:11:38.000 They probably go under the bridge or something.

01:11:40.000 But these riots have quelled.

01:11:42.000 And then you're in the locker room.

01:11:44.000 Right?

01:11:44.000 You're in the locker room at the police station.

01:11:46.000 And you're taking off all this gear.

01:11:48.000 And your buddy's there.

01:11:49.000 He's burnt all over the place.

01:11:51.000 And what do you think that they just created?

01:11:54.000 They created probably the strongest brotherhood.

01:11:58.000 That you could imagine.

01:12:00.000 Like these two guys right here that stood next to each other, like they're gonna ride together.

01:12:07.000 And they're creating this system that's already there.

01:12:11.000 They're creating this system that's gonna be really volatile if it continues to progress.

01:12:15.000 They're not defunding the police.

01:12:17.000 They're arming them.

01:12:19.000 That connection is even worse than militarizing police.

01:12:25.000 Well, I think they're, uh, arming them is the correct way to phrase it.

01:12:28.000 I've warned about this.

01:12:29.000 So long as the far left keeps going out smashing windows with impunity, the American people are going to keep asking for more law and order, more powers for the police, more powers for the federal government.

01:12:40.000 And we're trying to get to a point where we have, you know, Officer Friendly back.

01:12:44.000 We don't want, we don't want, I don't want cops to feel like they're going to get shot.

01:12:46.000 I don't want them to feel like they need an armored vehicle, but it's gotten to that point because the far left escalates, goes crazy.

01:12:53.000 And so I had an interesting conversation actually on this show with some of the super chats saying, you know, how would you envision demilitarization?

01:12:59.000 What does that mean?

01:13:00.000 What, what weapons do they use are militarized?

01:13:02.000 And I think the issue is just this, uh... You know, as I said, you've got these officers, they wear this full-on tactical armor, often they're, you know, it's camo gear, so it looks like they're in the army, they've got rifles, or it looks like they're in some kind of combat situation.

01:13:15.000 They have armored vehicles they ride around on, and it doesn't look like officer-friendly.

01:13:19.000 And the response I got was, if Antifa is shooting people, if they're throwing molotovs, if they're throwing bricks, and riders are doing this, don't the officers need to protect themselves?

01:13:27.000 And the answer is yes.

01:13:28.000 So then it seems like there is no real reasonable way to, you know, demilitarize as many left-wing activists say.

01:13:36.000 I still think that we can... I think we need more funding for police.

01:13:40.000 I think defund is the wrong thing.

01:13:42.000 I think if they want social workers and they want better trained community policing, they need more money.

01:13:47.000 The cops need better pay. 0.74

01:13:48.000 The cops need better training.

01:13:49.000 The cops need to feel valued.

01:13:52.000 And what they're doing is the opposite of that.

01:13:53.000 So they're making angry cops.

01:13:55.000 They're making cops demand more protective gear and more weapons, more techniques. 0.74

01:13:59.000 They're making it a team sport.

01:14:02.000 But more importantly, you tell the story of these two cops.

01:14:06.000 You know, they come to the locker room, they're taking their gear off.

01:14:08.000 And then the one guy says to the other, I'm like, I saw that woman scream in your face, dude.

01:14:12.000 He's like, I know.

01:14:12.000 And then they kind of chuckle.

01:14:14.000 It's all over.

01:14:15.000 Then they go home to their wives. 0.99

01:14:16.000 And their kids.

01:14:17.000 And he sits down on the couch and he's like, ugh, what happened at work? 0.99

01:14:20.000 Some lady's screaming at my face, these Antifa people are crazy. 1.00

01:14:23.000 The wife gets angry and she's like, I can't believe they would do this to you. 0.57

01:14:26.000 The kids hear it, the kids get mad.

01:14:28.000 They tell their friends.

01:14:29.000 Antifa is spreading hate.

01:14:31.000 You know, these cops are people, they have families, they have friends, they go to the bar, they talk.

01:14:35.000 People hear these things, people care about them.

01:14:37.000 Antifa's showing up and doing everything you said, spitting on them, splashing them, being nasty, being awful.

01:14:42.000 It's spreading hatred.

01:14:44.000 Now, I understand there are some bad cops, and there's police brutality, and we have laws for that.

01:14:48.000 They go to jail.

01:14:49.000 I do believe that we've got police culture problems, because I've personally experienced an officer lying under oath to try and falsely convict somebody.

01:14:59.000 Thankfully, I had footage proving the cop lied.

01:15:02.000 There was no penalty for the cop who lied.

01:15:04.000 So I think we need reforms.

01:15:06.000 I think we need to make sure we get justice when police commit crimes like perjury or literal crimes, murder or otherwise.

01:15:12.000 And I think cops need to be better funded, better trained, and we need... I like the idea of some kind of social worker that the defund the police people have brought up, but they're going in the wrong direction with it.

01:15:22.000 They're saying, defund the police, take that money and hire social workers.

01:15:25.000 And I'm like, but then you have...

01:15:27.000 You know, a vulnerability.

01:15:29.000 That social worker can't handle every situation a cop can. 0.99

01:15:31.000 Keep the same amount of cops.

01:15:33.000 Send a social worker with them for certain situations, and that social worker can deal with certain issues because we have seen positive results.

01:15:40.000 But taking money away from the police just makes everything more tense, more dangerous, increases anxiety.

01:15:45.000 You end up in New York where you've got a billion dollars slashed off the NYPD budget, murder skyrocketing, shootings, lethal crime.

01:15:51.000 Yep.

01:15:52.000 So, I don't know, you want to add anything to that because I got another story we can jump into.

01:15:58.000 Um, no, wait, let's jump into that.

01:16:00.000 I think we've hit that.

01:16:01.000 Donald Trump has denounced you, my friend.

01:16:03.000 Donald Trump condemns the Proud Boys, white supremacists, in Fox News interview.

01:16:08.000 After days of appearing to equivocate on the matter, U.S.

01:16:11.000 leader says, let me be clear, I condemn the KKK, I condemn white supremacists, I condemn Proud Boys.

01:16:17.000 I've said it many times, let me be clear again.

01:16:19.000 I condemn the KKK, Trump said Thursday night, referring to the Klan.

01:16:22.000 I condemn all white supremacists.

01:16:24.000 I condemn the Proud Boys, referring to the extreme right quasi-militia that has affiliations with anti-Semitism and white supremacists.

01:16:32.000 The President said his condemnation would be ignored by the fake media.

01:16:35.000 Trump in the first presidential debate with Joe Biden failed to condemn white supremacists.

01:16:41.000 Well, I think it's... Actually, I'm gonna stop right there and say it's incorrect.

01:16:43.000 He did say sure three times, although I wouldn't call it a very strong denunciation.

01:16:47.000 I think it's fair to point out Trump has denounced white supremacy numerous times, and it's kind of absurd to ask him over and over again.

01:16:52.000 But following this...

01:16:54.000 During the debate, he said Proud Boys stand back and stand by, I believe.

01:16:58.000 Was that the quote?

01:16:58.000 That was the quote.

01:16:59.000 So we'll start with that.

01:17:01.000 There were some messages that were put out of, I think it was like you, Joe Biggs.

01:17:05.000 Joe Biggs is a Proud Boy?

01:17:07.000 Yes.

01:17:07.000 And you guys were celebrating.

01:17:09.000 Of course we were celebrating.

01:17:10.000 Well, didn't Joe Big say something?

01:17:12.000 Correct me if I'm wrong.

01:17:13.000 He said he's essentially, you know, giving you the green light to go, you know, smash people up or something like that.

01:17:18.000 So Joe has been known to be somebody that says things.

01:17:22.000 He got banned for saying, like, death to Antifa.

01:17:24.000 And he's a two-time Purple Heart recipient.

01:17:27.000 It doesn't mean that he could say things, but he's a firebrand.

01:17:35.000 When you said, actually before I get into that, when you said that quote, what news outlet was that from that quoted the president on saying the denounce thing?

01:17:45.000 The one I'm reading right now?

01:17:46.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 It's the Times of Israel.

01:17:48.000 Okay.

01:17:48.000 I find it funny that they cut it off there.

01:17:50.000 Now the president, unequivocally, to me, he denounced the Proud Boys.

01:17:54.000 Right?

01:17:55.000 But there was a quote that he said, that's not the end quote of what he said.

01:17:59.000 He said, I denounce the KKK, I denounce white supremacy, I denounce the Proud Boys.

01:18:04.000 I don't know who they are, but I denounce that.

01:18:07.000 Was what the president said.

01:18:10.000 And instantly I started getting calls from the media and people were asking, you know,

01:18:17.000 oh, how do you feel about the president denouncing you?

01:18:20.000 And as a matter of fact, like I sat back and I was objective about it and I'm like, a lot

01:18:27.000 of people wanted me to say F the president, you know, forget it.

01:18:31.000 He threw us under the bus or whatever.

01:18:35.000 The fact is that we've never, the Proud Boys have never needed the president to either

01:18:40.000 avow or disavow or denounce us.

01:18:43.000 We've always been who we are, unapologetic about it.

01:18:48.000 And I think that should not change my standing.

01:18:53.000 It shouldn't change how I feel about somebody or his policy.

01:18:57.000 I didn't feel, there's a lot of times that I disagreed with the president.

01:18:59.000 I disagreed with the president on bump stocks.

01:19:01.000 I disagreed with the president with the Dakota Access Pipeline.

01:19:04.000 I disagreed with the president on numerous things.

01:19:06.000 And just because I disagree with him here, because I don't think he has all the facts or had all the facts when he said that, when he said he denounced us, it doesn't change my support for not only the president, but my values as a whole.

01:19:22.000 I'm not going to jump ship.

01:19:24.000 I'm not going to go, hey, I'm pro Joe Biden now because the president denounces.

01:19:27.000 I don't care about that.

01:19:28.000 And actually, the guys didn't.

01:19:30.000 And I was checking our chats right after the president was denounced.

01:19:34.000 I'm like, man, the guys are going to these guys are like having a ball.

01:19:38.000 They're like, oh, well, we should change our name instead of Proud Boys.

01:19:40.000 Let's call ourselves the Denounce Boys.

01:19:44.000 And like these guys can make a joke out of anything.

01:19:47.000 They don't need somebody.

01:19:49.000 We don't hold the president on a pedestal.

01:19:52.000 I've been supporting the president since day one, but that doesn't mean that we hold like one person as an authoritarian figure here.

01:19:59.000 This whole thing is an entire movement with different facets.

01:20:02.000 So when the president said, let's go back now, let's go back to the debate, the actual debate, that the fact that we got mentioned at the first debate for us was exciting.

01:20:15.000 I was with my family.

01:20:16.000 I'm watching TV and they start talking about Portland.

01:20:19.000 I'm like, no, no, he's not going to say it.

01:20:20.000 He's not.

01:20:21.000 I'm like on the edge of my seat.

01:20:23.000 And then Biden was the one that said it.

01:20:25.000 And we were excited, right?

01:20:27.000 So I put a whole bunch of, I put my, on my parlor post.

01:20:30.000 I went ahead and, uh, and I put standing by and Biggs as always.

01:20:35.000 And he actually corrected that and cleared the record on what he said.

01:20:39.000 Um, and we had fun with it.

01:20:43.000 It took a little while for me for like the, the adrenaline to rush off to really make, uh, For me to become objective and say, well, this isn't the president.

01:20:56.000 This isn't an endorsement of the Proud Boys by the president.

01:20:58.000 It wasn't.

01:20:59.000 The president was asked a very pointed question.

01:21:01.000 He was asked about militias.

01:21:03.000 He was asked about white supremacy.

01:21:05.000 And when Biden stuck his nose in and said Proud Boys, the president said, and he was actually answering part of Chris Wallace's question, which was tell these groups to stand down.

01:21:16.000 I don't know why Chris Wallace thought that this guy is like the president of white supremacy and militias, but he was, I think it was also a part of a gaffe that the president had at the time and he said, stand back, stand by.

01:21:29.000 Now, I want to break that down, the stand back part, the stand back, like you said, and I agree with you, we should stand back and let the police do their job, right?

01:21:39.000 And we've stood back many times.

01:21:40.000 We stood back three days before that on Saturday.

01:21:43.000 We stood back and we let cops do their jobs.

01:21:45.000 We had a cool little barbecue.

01:21:47.000 We had like fireworks, a big giant American flag.

01:21:52.000 And then the more controversial part is the standby.

01:21:55.000 You know?

01:21:56.000 And everybody was like, oh, what did he mean by standby?

01:21:59.000 And the way he said it, stand back and stand by.

01:22:01.000 Yeah.

01:22:02.000 Like, like worse, like some type of, like the media picked it up, like we're some type of militia or, um, like we're, we're waiting and they took it because it was, it was, he's, he's, I guess they said that he refused to say if he would accept the election results.

01:22:17.000 And they think that we're like, A force that's ready to pounce right when that happens.

01:22:22.000 Can I just point out the absurdity having seen Proud Boys and having seen say like the Oath Keepers or Three Percenters or like, you know, actual militias, or at least, you know, militia type individuals.

01:22:33.000 The absurdity of, you know, when you see groups like the Oath Keepers or Three Percenters, they're wearing armor, they've got tactical gear, they've got rifles, and the Proud Boys are wearing those, you know, Fred Perry or whatever it is.

01:22:44.000 Fred Perry, is that what it's called?

01:22:45.000 It is Fred Perry.

01:22:46.000 Polo shirts.

01:22:47.000 And they're, you know, this is what I often say is, there's a lot of things, the Proud Boys are a lot of things, you can criticize them for a lot of things, but if the Proud Boys say they're having a rally and they have their rally and Antifa doesn't show up, then the Proud Boys get drunk and they go home and nothing happens.

01:23:00.000 Yes.

01:23:01.000 If Antifa shows up, then fights, and it's usually Antifa coming.

01:23:05.000 And that's why, that's where the earlier criticism came in with, like, if you go to Antifa's place to hold a rally.

01:23:10.000 But I want to ask you, what's your stance on Dakota Access Pipeline?

01:23:15.000 Um, I disagreed with them because I believe that, and I think I even disagree with people that were for, uh, against the Dakota access pipeline.

01:23:25.000 Also, I think personally for as an individual liberty, I don't think that a pipeline, they should take away property from, I don't, I don't care if they were, uh, indigenous people.

01:23:37.000 I don't care where they were from to me that they were Americans. 0.90

01:23:41.000 And they were, they were taking away property from Americans to basically give it to a corporation is really what it was.

01:23:47.000 And to me that that was completely wrong and that shouldn't have happened.

01:23:51.000 Wow.

01:23:52.000 Yeah.

01:23:52.000 So does that, would that put you more in alignment with these, you know, leftist protesters saying no DAPL?

01:23:59.000 If that, if that puts me in alignment, then by all means, fine.

01:24:02.000 I see it as a constitutional issue where you're, the government's coming in and seizing property.

01:24:07.000 Eminent domain.

01:24:08.000 It sounds like you're anti-fascist.

01:24:12.000 And they have all these cool words.

01:24:14.000 I hate that.

01:24:14.000 Semantic arguments.

01:24:16.000 They're like, well, you're anti-Antifa.

01:24:19.000 You know what that means?

01:24:20.000 Uh-huh.

01:24:21.000 No, that doesn't mean I'm a fascist, dude.

01:24:23.000 It's not.

01:24:24.000 And liberals, you know, that's also like a really cool word.

01:24:28.000 It's like liberty.

01:24:30.000 I got to clarify something.

01:24:31.000 I was told that Antifa just means anti-fascist.

01:24:36.000 So if you oppose fascism, you are Antifa, is that correct?

01:24:40.000 Used to.

01:24:40.000 Yes.

01:24:40.000 Now it's a group.

01:24:41.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:24:42.000 Don't label me right now.

01:24:44.000 You know where I'm going with this?

01:24:47.000 Go ahead.

01:24:48.000 Spit it out.

01:24:49.000 Do the Proud Boys reject fascism?

01:24:51.000 Yes.

01:24:51.000 I actually, I just said it like 15 minutes ago.

01:24:54.000 I denounce fascism.

01:24:57.000 Are the Proud Boys anti-fascist?

01:25:04.000 Can I cuss so they can beep it out? 0.78

01:25:07.000 Yes, yes.

01:25:08.000 Technically, yes, the Proud Boys are anti-fascist.

01:25:11.000 Only technically.

01:25:11.000 It's because, well, it's because we're anti-anything big government.

01:25:16.000 We're not anti-government.

01:25:17.000 That's another thing that people got confused.

01:25:19.000 We're not anti-government.

01:25:20.000 We're for minimal government.

01:25:22.000 I'm sorry.

01:25:23.000 I'm sorry.

01:25:23.000 But based on Joe Biden's logic, the Proud Boys are an anti-fascist organization.

01:25:27.000 Well, based on Joe Biden's logic, he also said that if you don't vote for me, you ain't black.

01:25:31.000 Yeah, that's right. 0.53

01:25:32.000 And then he called me a white supremacist.

01:25:35.000 So to him, to him, look, I give him the benefit of the doubt.

01:25:38.000 To him, it makes sense in his world because I am not black.

01:25:42.000 I just can't, you know, uh, I don't want to say the guy's name, but there's a very high profile left-wing activist who is like a Black Lives Matter activist who's not actually black, but he says he is.

01:25:54.000 And he called me a neo-Nazi.

01:25:55.000 Oh.

01:25:56.000 And so I tweeted, everyone's like hitting me up, they're like, did you see this dude's got a million followers?

01:26:00.000 He said Tim Pool is a white supremacist, and I was like, the dude's whiter than I am.

01:26:04.000 So I just tweeted, you know, the dude's whiter than me.

01:26:06.000 It's the weirdest thing, I can't stand it.

01:26:08.000 I grew up living in this world where, you know, I was told we won that fight, race didn't matter.

01:26:16.000 The civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr., all that good stuff, discrimination, it was illegal, it still exists, racism's still a problem, but we've won that fight, and now we have the law on our side.

01:26:25.000 I grew up with people of a bunch of different racial backgrounds.

01:26:28.000 We even had some immigrants.

01:26:29.000 One kid was from Poland, he was an immigrant.

01:26:31.000 One kid, you know, Hispanic, spoke Spanish.

01:26:33.000 We had some Asian immigrants, we had some people who were various mixed race, and it never occurred to us.

01:26:38.000 We did have one kid who would call everybody by their racial slur, but it was like a South Park era thing, you know?

01:26:45.000 And so to us it was actually kind of funny because we were all equally insulted.

01:26:50.000 But I grew up thinking, like, none of this actually matters, and that took that power away.

01:26:54.000 And it wasn't until we started seeing the rise of this left, the identitarian, the intersectional leftists, where all of a sudden now, you have to explain what your race is, you have white people claiming they're black and then insulting non-white people as white supremacists.

01:27:10.000 You've got white people calling Candace Owens a black woman, a white supremacist, calling a Jewish man Ben Shapiro a Nazi.

01:27:16.000 It's just, nothing seems to make sense anymore.

01:27:19.000 And I don't know what their goal is in this, but to throw it back to Joe Biden.

01:27:23.000 Like he said, you know, if you don't vote for him, you ain't black. 0.97

01:27:26.000 And then he said, you are a white supremacist. 0.96

01:27:28.000 I think when people become Puritans, right? 0.96

01:27:33.000 Because that's what we're fighting.

01:27:34.000 We're fighting.

01:27:37.000 When the American Revolution started, we're fighting Puritans. 1.00

01:27:41.000 They were trying to tax our sin.

01:27:43.000 So they've become, and now in 2020, they've become such Puritans that they're infighting, like you said, like these BLM groups are ratting out the Antifa groups because they've made this like ecosystem of like perfection. 0.70

01:27:55.000 And a perfect example is there's a researcher that researches Proud Boys.

01:28:00.000 I'm not going to mention her by name.

01:28:04.000 She's done all this CV paperwork and all this research on the Proud Boys and how we're fascists and stuff like that.

01:28:11.000 And then come to find out that in her application for school, she put she's African American and got a scholarship or something from there.

01:28:21.000 And when her friends found out and then she had been telling everybody that she's Italian, Sicilian, right?

01:28:30.000 The Moors.

01:28:31.000 Yeah.

01:28:33.000 But they like hit her so hard that they forced an apology out of her.

01:28:37.000 And actually now her her research is worthless. 0.90

01:28:42.000 So this Puritan thing they eat each other alive and they have been eating each other alive.

01:28:49.000 And I think it's I think it's great entertainment.

01:28:52.000 I think it's some of these things you do have to just sit back and just watch them.

01:28:58.000 It's almost like a zombie apocalypse, when the zombies have finally eaten everybody.

01:29:02.000 There's no one left to eat, so they gotta eat themselves.

01:29:05.000 When cancel culture was coming after everybody, and they canceled everybody in sight, they started going after dead people.

01:29:09.000 I don't know if you saw Bill Burr's SNL monologue.

01:29:13.000 He's trying to cancel John Wayne.

01:29:15.000 Dude's been dead since the 70s or something.

01:29:17.000 He's like, well, they gotta do something.

01:29:18.000 Can you believe what he said?

01:29:19.000 No, no, not since the 70s, but he was like, can you believe what John Wayne said in 1970?

01:29:23.000 It's like, yeah, that's what people used to say.

01:29:27.000 It was a really, really great monologue, in my opinion, because he kind of took the piss out of everybody.

01:29:32.000 He insulted everybody a little bit.

01:29:35.000 But he specifically calls out cancel culture, and then got offensive with his comedy.

01:29:39.000 He did it perfectly to where he wasn't directly targeting the group, but he kind of was poking fun at certain groups, and then started calling for his cancellation.

01:29:48.000 Of course.

01:29:49.000 But I feel like we've already come to this point where, I mean, they've canceled.

01:29:52.000 Oh, they can cancel.

01:29:53.000 I mean, what are they going to do?

01:29:54.000 They cannot.

01:29:55.000 There is nothing that you can cancel me on.

01:29:59.000 You?

01:29:59.000 Absolutely nothing.

01:30:00.000 Yes, you can't cancel me on anything anymore.

01:30:02.000 I've been canceled.

01:30:04.000 Look, listen.

01:30:05.000 This might take an hour for me to actually process all of these.

01:30:09.000 But I'm kidding.

01:30:10.000 But I've been canceled off of the big three social media platforms and multiple times.

01:30:15.000 I'm on my like 19th Twitter account.

01:30:17.000 I just made another one today.

01:30:21.000 PayPal.

01:30:22.000 Airbnb.

01:30:23.000 I never used Airbnb, by the way.

01:30:25.000 I just use it to browse properties and they ban me for hate speech.

01:30:28.000 I have the screenshot of the email.

01:30:31.000 Coinbase, which is crypto.

01:30:33.000 Coinbase Commerce.

01:30:35.000 Chase Bank, my bank.

01:30:37.000 I work with Project Veritas and we uncovered that Chase Bank I deleted my account because, and I was doing business with them even before they were Chase Bank.

01:30:46.000 I actually covered that.

01:30:47.000 I got leaked an email from somebody who worked at the bank that they terminated, so I gotta be careful here, it's been a while since I covered this story, but I was sent a bunch of private information, I released only a little bit of it, and it seemed to me that they had banned you out of a fear of bad public relations, bad PR.

01:31:04.000 Yes.

01:31:05.000 And so that was it.

01:31:06.000 And that's what they do.

01:31:08.000 They make a PR nightmare for these big companies.

01:31:10.000 They get like on their Twitter and they hammer their Twitter until and they probably don't want to cancel me but they're like we don't want the PR nightmare in there.

01:31:17.000 They take me off.

01:31:19.000 But I was the craziest one was and it was like two weeks ago.

01:31:26.000 They banned me off MailChimp.

01:31:28.000 Right, which is normal because MailChimp does ban conservatives all the time from sending emails But there was I had a very unique situation So I was thinking about getting MailChimp so I added their extension their website extension to my website, right?

01:31:45.000 So, I never got around to creating an account.

01:31:50.000 I just had the extension.

01:31:51.000 And you know, you have to buy, you have to put like your license number in so it works or whatever.

01:31:56.000 And I just had it on my website.

01:31:58.000 And Antifa went ahead and saw like the CSS code on my website that I had MailChimp and they started banging on MailChimp's door.

01:32:05.000 Hey, you got to de-platform the fascist!

01:32:09.000 Well, MailChimp responded and said that they have canceled my account for a Terms of Service violation.

01:32:17.000 I never had a MailChimp account.

01:32:19.000 They virtue-signaled in order to get the mob to calm down.

01:32:26.000 And the same thing happened with PayPal.

01:32:28.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:32:29.000 They claimed that they banned your account?

01:32:30.000 Yes.

01:32:31.000 And you didn't have one?

01:32:31.000 I didn't have one.

01:32:32.000 That's a false statement of fact.

01:32:34.000 Yeah, they put it on a tweet.

01:32:36.000 That's interesting.

01:32:36.000 I think that that might be clear cut defamation.

01:32:39.000 Yeah.

01:32:40.000 Well, I'm working on a couple of, I'm working on a couple of things right now.

01:32:45.000 MailChimp is probably there, but it's at the bottom of the barrel when we're thinking about things, but we're going to, I'm going to go after, we and I are going to go after all these corporations.

01:32:57.000 You can't, You can't donate to the Proud Boys.

01:33:02.000 You can't just go to our website and be like, oh, I want to give them $100.

01:33:05.000 We're pretty much, I think that we're going to keep it that way for a very long time.

01:33:10.000 We're self-funded.

01:33:12.000 No matter where I go, I make sure that nobody pays for my stuff.

01:33:14.000 So nobody says, hey, well, I paid for this or I paid for that.

01:33:18.000 And that's the same thing with all Proud Boys.

01:33:23.000 Like these lawsuits, since we're self funded, like people are like, Oh, well, why didn't you?

01:33:28.000 Why didn't you sue chase?

01:33:29.000 Why didn't you sue this?

01:33:30.000 Or why didn't you sue that?

01:33:33.000 Well, we don't have the money to do it right now.

01:33:35.000 But I think Joe Biden has given us an opening.

01:33:39.000 I think Joe Biden has given us an opening to go ahead and push these.

01:33:42.000 What is your website?

01:33:44.000 Proudboysusa.com and 1776.shop.

01:33:47.000 Well, you you can't donate to Proud Boys, but we sell merchandise through 1776.shop and that's like the only way that you could but you can't like directly donate you can't like that money goes nowhere.

01:34:00.000 Do you sell that shirt?

01:34:02.000 Yeah, actually.

01:34:03.000 Yes.

01:34:03.000 I actually printed this shirt because I was to get on this podcast and But yeah, I'll have that on there too as of tomorrow but I One of our main tenets is glorify the entrepreneur.

01:34:21.000 And we believe that if we're going to get money out of something, we're going to sell something.

01:34:27.000 We're going to sell a product.

01:34:28.000 We're going to sell a service or things like that.

01:34:30.000 And that's one of the main reasons why I joined the Pride Boys is the entrepreneurship.

01:34:35.000 I believe that, and Killer Mike is the one that has this t-shirt line, and I love the saying on it. 0.98

01:34:42.000 It says, kill your masters, right? 0.98

01:34:46.000 And already, like, obviously the government's overreaching or whatever, but another master that everybody has 0.99

01:34:52.000 in their life is their boss.

01:34:55.000 And I feel like you should start by getting a job and learning the ropes, but I think that you should

01:35:00.000 want to build something for yourself.

01:35:03.000 And that's why I joined.

01:35:04.000 I joined because I was already that person and I felt like I needed to strengthen and I think iron sharpens iron.

01:35:10.000 I learned a lot from just hanging around the guys at the bar.

01:35:13.000 So here's my last question before we go to Super Chats.

01:35:17.000 With Gavin's history of bombastic, threatening, or offensive things he's said, and he's gone way over the line.

01:35:25.000 And with the history of the Proud Boys and the early on mistakes, why keep using the name that's been smeared and tainted and has this past in these associations?

01:35:35.000 Why not just do something different?

01:35:38.000 Make a different group.

01:35:39.000 Get rid of all of these things explicitly.

01:35:44.000 Because why would we want to play their game?

01:35:46.000 Why would we want to play on their battlefield and be like, oh, well, they say that this name is bad, so let's change it.

01:35:52.000 That to me is bending a knee.

01:35:54.000 That to me is like bending to the mob that has labeled us all these things that have been false.

01:36:00.000 Like I said before, we're not everybody's cup of tea, but this isn't about everybody.

01:36:04.000 This is about us, and us as a brotherhood.

01:36:10.000 We put our God, if you're a religious man, our family and our country, and then comes

01:36:17.000 a brotherhood as an auxiliary thing.

01:36:20.000 But that doesn't mean that any of those are something that we're willing to sacrifice

01:36:24.000 just to have a PR stunt. 0.76

01:36:28.000 We don't care.

01:36:29.000 It doesn't matter if the president denounces us a million times, if the mob comes after

01:36:36.000 us, it doesn't matter how many articles that people write about us.

01:36:39.000 We're always... We've built this.

01:36:41.000 We've built this organic thing that hasn't been done before.

01:36:46.000 Many groups have failed.

01:36:48.000 They have too much of a militant structure.

01:36:50.000 We're a very loose structure.

01:36:51.000 We're a very fun...

01:36:52.000 The only way that you can that this thing can die is if we suck the oxygen out of the room All right, and we take out all the fun that it has We have fun with each other and I don't see that dying off anytime soon.

01:37:05.000 I was thinking it's kind of like an example of Brotherhood is one way you put it, but like giving men meaning, it doesn't have to be men really, but giving people meaning.

01:37:13.000 In today's culture, you were talking earlier about how great it would be if you could highlight the conversations that people have across the aisle, like at a rally when the people from Antifa speak with the people from Proud Boys and they communicate.

01:37:26.000 Like Jordan Peterson had a great viral video where he was communicating with students that disagreed with them and they were yelling and he was just calmly communicating for 10 minutes.

01:37:34.000 And he also is focused on giving people meaning.

01:37:38.000 So I see this kind of this through line of, and I think that Antifa, those people are finding meaning in what they're doing.

01:37:45.000 And that we're lacking that in culture these days.

01:37:49.000 I don't know why, maybe too much social media, but why there's, why meaning has gone astray for young people or for, for even adults maybe.

01:37:56.000 And that this is a type of thing that gives people meaning.

01:37:59.000 Well, so I'm gonna tell you, I think, I don't think Gavin, I think in the literal sense he founded the Proud Boys, but I think he actually found the Proud Boys.

01:38:09.000 And what I mean by that is, to him it was a joke.

01:38:11.000 I mean, I saw when he went on Rogan and he said it was just some stupid thing from a musical and he was making fun of like, oh yeah, you can be a Proud Boy too. 0.95

01:38:18.000 But I think what he did was he lit the torch for some kind of fraternity. 0.98

01:38:24.000 Young men, no core group, no ideology, no mission, no purpose. 0.97

01:38:29.000 And so in a way, there's a similarity between that and say Antifa in that I believe Antifa is the left's version of this.

01:38:36.000 That you have a bunch of people with no purpose, student debt, no mission, no goal in life, they have no idea what they're doing.

01:38:42.000 And so they're indoctrinated into extremist communism, you know, revolution, destruction, rage, violence.

01:38:49.000 And then Gavin gave space to a bunch of young men to punch each other while they make breakfast cereals and getting drunk. 0.54

01:38:55.000 And that's all a lot of these dudes wanted was just hang out, feel masculine and, you know, crack jokes and just not have to worry too much.

01:39:03.000 So I feel like whatever it is you guys represent could have been something else.

01:39:08.000 It could have been called something else.

01:39:09.000 It could have been founded by somebody else.

01:39:11.000 And Gavin just happened to be there at the right time.

01:39:13.000 And that actually ultimately leads to a lot of the, you know, the ease.

01:39:16.000 I'll call them vulnerabilities.

01:39:18.000 Very obvious things that are critiqued and denounced and denied and things like that in the media.

01:39:23.000 But that's why I asked like, you know, why not do something different?

01:39:26.000 I understand your answer, but just to, you know, make my point is, You've got a group of men who you say don't want fascism, don't want authoritarianism.

01:39:34.000 You want to kind of do your thing.

01:39:35.000 You're proud of your country.

01:39:37.000 And that could be a regular old drinking club that could escape the political connotations of what the Proud Boys name carries.

01:39:44.000 I agree.

01:39:45.000 But the thing is, we feel like celebrating stuff is what it started, right?

01:39:57.000 Uh, and the name is actually, it's a good conversation starter.

01:40:01.000 You know, like imagine he thought of like this really gnarly name, like the, the patriots of, of, of death, you know, or some, I don't know, I don't know what a cool name would be, but like, it's a converse, it's a cool conversation starter and it isn't about the name.

01:40:16.000 It isn't about, um, The cereals.

01:40:20.000 It isn't about that.

01:40:21.000 It's about, like, the dude next to you.

01:40:25.000 And just getting out of the house.

01:40:26.000 It's a family thing, right?

01:40:28.000 The biggest thing about Proud Boys is the pro-family part of it.

01:40:31.000 It's making, like I said, making better men.

01:40:34.000 And I think that we have.

01:40:35.000 And I think we've done that in a funny way.

01:40:38.000 And I think that we've left an imprint in history.

01:40:41.000 We have done something monumental.

01:40:43.000 A small group of guys that started out as a joke have made this monumental change.

01:40:49.000 Um, and whether people like to see it as a positive change or negative change, that's up to them.

01:40:55.000 I'm not, I'm not the arbiter of that or not, but I know that I love my guys.

01:40:59.000 I know that I have, uh, these guys are hardworking Americans.

01:41:03.000 These guys are carpenters, plumbers, police officers, uh, Elected officials.

01:41:10.000 I mean, they come from all walks of life.

01:41:12.000 And you know what they don't deserve? 0.99

01:41:13.000 They don't deserve the crap that they get from the media. 1.00

01:41:16.000 But you know what? 0.99

01:41:17.000 At the same time, if they get it, they turn around and they make the best of it.

01:41:22.000 And that's why I love this.

01:41:24.000 I think whatever we get in history in the future, it's going to be real weird because the media is so broken.

01:41:32.000 I think Wikipedia is the easiest example of how the media's fracturing and dissolution, I guess, is going to affect how we keep record of historical events.

01:41:44.000 You have on Wikipedia, they will use any blog by a 22 year old intern who wrote some nonsense with no sources and they'll

01:41:53.000 consider it fact.

01:41:54.000 And that makes Wikipedia completely...

01:41:58.000 You know, I'll put it this way.

01:42:00.000 The scientific articles...

01:42:01.000 Yeah, they have scientific and academic journals.

01:42:03.000 But now we're getting to a point where the pages don't even link together properly, because one definition on one page is a leftist one versus a right-wing one, and it's all breaking apart, as we have these, like, two different worldviews now, you know, coming into focus.

01:42:16.000 The leftist worldview, 1619 Project, and then the traditional American historical worldview.

01:42:22.000 They can't coexist.

01:42:24.000 And so when those two different groups are writing articles on Wikipedia, it makes no sense.

01:42:28.000 So, you know, ultimately what ends up happening is you'll get, you know, Vox.com, a progressive outlet, will hire some college kid who, you know, a better example would be the Daily Beast.

01:42:40.000 The Daily Beast is a couple of writers that have straight up made things up.

01:42:45.000 And it's on the record now.

01:42:46.000 Historical record.

01:42:47.000 Straight up made up stuff.

01:42:48.000 And I've actually reached out to them for comment and they just ignore it.

01:42:51.000 So if you've got these news outlets writing fake news, garbage, and straight up saying, do not do an interview with the Proud Boys, then what is the record of history going to be if they specifically avoid figuring out who people are, what they believe, and what they're doing?

01:43:06.000 They're writing history.

01:43:07.000 They're basically right in front of our eyes, they're writing history.

01:43:11.000 And it makes me question a lot of things in the past, but that doesn't mean that we allow them to win.

01:43:18.000 It doesn't mean that we should let them do it.

01:43:22.000 Every retraction, again, unlike you, I've sent the Daily Beast many retractions and they just ignore my emails.

01:43:29.000 But it's fine with me.

01:43:30.000 I don't care.

01:43:31.000 I don't need the Daily Beast.

01:43:33.000 I don't need Facebook.

01:43:34.000 I don't need Instagram.

01:43:36.000 I don't need... I don't need any of that to... I'm an activist.

01:43:42.000 I don't need none of that to organize.

01:43:44.000 Maybe a lot of people do.

01:43:45.000 I don't.

01:43:47.000 But what's happening now is they're banning people from banks.

01:43:50.000 Like you.

01:43:52.000 And from other technological services.

01:43:56.000 There's conversations about how we, uh, we're going to be moving towards in the future, a carless society where individuals don't own cars.

01:44:04.000 Cars are self-driving and you have an app where you will say, here's where I need to go.

01:44:07.000 And the car will come to your house and you'll get in and it'll drive itself.

01:44:11.000 Don't we have that already?

01:44:12.000 We have a service where a driver can come and pick you up.

01:44:15.000 Yeah, so if you get banned from all these services, and they're all private, then it's only a matter of time before you're locked out, as it were.

01:44:25.000 So, human rights, transportation, finance?

01:44:29.000 Access to the internet and the use of its services.

01:44:32.000 If you're banned from, you know, a bunch of these services, And they eventually become the only way to do things, then you're out.

01:44:41.000 They've cut you out of society.

01:44:42.000 This is why I've always been pro-regulation.

01:44:45.000 I'm in favor of the government regulating these big corporations.

01:44:48.000 Me too.

01:44:49.000 But it's always been the liberals who have been in favor of regulating corporations when they started infringing upon the commons.

01:44:54.000 Until Daddy Trump came in.

01:44:55.000 Now they're cheering for it.

01:44:57.000 Yep.

01:44:57.000 That's a nightmare dystopia, man.

01:44:59.000 I don't...

01:45:00.000 You know, and that's funny, too, because I had a lot of people saying, like, you know, they're coming after you, they're starting to notice, because I got, I think, like 110 million views in the past month or something.

01:45:11.000 And I just laughed, because, like, it's weird to me how the media machine works.

01:45:16.000 There's nothing about me that's strong enough for them to actually enrage people with.

01:45:22.000 So it's like, they can't do anything even though they want to.

01:45:25.000 Now, I just don't care, man.

01:45:27.000 You know, I don't care.

01:45:28.000 I'll have on whoever.

01:45:29.000 We'll talk about whatever we have to.

01:45:30.000 And if I get banned, I get banned.

01:45:31.000 Whatever.

01:45:32.000 We're driving off a cliff.

01:45:34.000 It's getting so insane.

01:45:35.000 Seeing people banned from banks.

01:45:37.000 You're right to talk about it because we do need to not let these corporations take control.

01:45:42.000 This could be the last podcast we do.

01:45:43.000 Yeah, we should be overseeing what corporations, just since Vanderbilt with his railroads choking New York City, cutting off the transportation in New York City and starving the city, showing what one man can do with his company.

01:45:55.000 It's the same thing with Zuckerberg, Mark, you hear me, and Facebook.

01:45:59.000 You're off Facebook.

01:46:02.000 And you know you shouldn't have that level of power.

01:46:04.000 Oh, I'll tell you what, you're banned from Facebook, you said, right?

01:46:08.000 I can't even make a new account.

01:46:09.000 They do?

01:46:09.000 Oh, okay.

01:46:09.000 Oh yeah, that I know.

01:46:10.000 profile. You still have one, though.

01:46:11.000 They do. They're called shadow profiles.

01:46:13.000 Oh, they they collect all of the peripheral information about you from other people and they

01:46:18.000 craft a profile of you, whether you whether you signed up. Oh, yeah, that I know that I know.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, dude, we're you know, it's funny because a lot of the things that we're seeing in

01:46:26.000 terms of autocracy, oligopoly, oligarchy, technocracy, it's

01:46:32.000 like all of these books that we used to read in 1984, Brave New World and it's all happening

01:46:36.000 right now, all at once, like crashing into each So, let me, I'm sorry to cut you off, so let me ask you something.

01:46:43.000 Oh, that was the point, so you're good.

01:46:44.000 I get the blackpilled moment, so what's your solution?

01:46:48.000 Uh, people need to speak up.

01:46:51.000 I think Donald Trump needs to win.

01:46:53.000 Right now, those that believe in freedom and, uh, liberty, the commons, the right of the individuals within the greater system, of course, uh, are losing.

01:47:05.000 Donald Trump is got a lot of problems, but, uh, for what it's worth, he's the last, you know, we're all hanging from his feet as he's holding on by the fingertips.

01:47:16.000 If he loses and Joe Biden gets in, and Joe Biden is- I'll be in prison.

01:47:21.000 Wait, you think so?

01:47:22.000 I'll be in prison.

01:47:22.000 Why do you think so?

01:47:23.000 I guarantee you.

01:47:24.000 Why?

01:47:24.000 Because Joe Biden will come and lock you up?

01:47:26.000 I think that they've made this public enemy number one thing, and they'll, I don't know, they'll, look, Roger Stone, I said, no, they're not going to pick him up.

01:47:36.000 And then after a little while, I was like, all right, they'll find something to pick him up on.

01:47:39.000 The things that we've learned about from Obamagate should shock anyone who's read anything about it.

01:47:44.000 Yep.

01:47:44.000 The latest revelations that Obama was briefed on intelligence that suggests Hillary Clinton may have fabricated the entire Russia hoax that cost our country millions of dollars, that the Mueller investigative team, I think they wiped, what was it, like 30 phones or something?

01:47:58.000 Was it 13 or was it 30?

01:47:59.000 30-something.

01:48:00.000 30-something phones were wiped.

01:48:01.000 Evidence.

01:48:02.000 Hillary Clinton's emails deleted, wiped out.

01:48:04.000 That these things are happening in this country at a time when massive multinational corporations are silencing the right of American citizens to speak.

01:48:11.000 And I'll tell you what's really crazy.

01:48:13.000 Right now on Reddit, I can go on Reddit, an American website, and go to their politics tab.

01:48:18.000 And when I click one of these comment sections on one of their stories, I will see the little Australian flag next to the commentator, number one, saying Trump is bad.

01:48:27.000 That person has more of a say in our politics than you do, an American citizen.

01:48:31.000 That's what these major corporations are doing, and this needs to be regulated.

01:48:35.000 Now, of course, I argue with conservatives all the time because they say no.

01:48:38.000 They say, oh, we can't do it.

01:48:40.000 You argue with libertarians if it's, I think, real conservatism, I guess.

01:48:47.000 Would be pro-regulating these corporations if they did believe in free speech.

01:48:52.000 And I'm going to give you an example, and it's not just free speech, it's free market.

01:48:56.000 What we're living in right now is not free market.

01:49:01.000 It's not at all.

01:49:02.000 I'll give you an example.

01:49:02.000 With my t-shirts, let's say, and this is a complete fabrication of prices, but let's say me and Amazon were to pay the same exact money, $10 for this shirt, and we were to sell it for $20.

01:49:14.000 So, we have $10 left, but we have to ship the shirt to the customer.

01:49:19.000 Well, I pay $3.50 to ship this shirt through the United States Postal Service, which is a government entity.

01:49:26.000 Do you know how much Amazon pays to ship the same shirt through the USPS system?

01:49:31.000 How much?

01:49:31.000 $0.36.

01:49:32.000 Yeah, that's my guess.

01:49:34.000 Subsidies.

01:49:37.000 Subsidies.

01:49:38.000 That's not free market.

01:49:40.000 That's not helping me.

01:49:41.000 We're not working in a system that helps me.

01:49:44.000 Who's getting rich during COVID?

01:49:46.000 Amazon.

01:49:48.000 Amazon's stock price is skyrocketing because they're the only business that can get you what you need because all the stores are shut down.

01:49:54.000 Who's losing?

01:49:55.000 Little Pepe's shop in the corner and that's, it's actually Jose's shop in the corner of my house had to shut down.

01:50:00.000 It's a little coffee shop that I've been going to since like 97.

01:50:04.000 Right?

01:50:05.000 And he's had to shut down his, his family.

01:50:08.000 That was a pass me down from his family.

01:50:10.000 Cause his family came in the fifties from Cuba before the revolution.

01:50:14.000 And that was a pass me down from, uh, his grandfather to his father, to his son.

01:50:20.000 It's a little shop.

01:50:21.000 It's a little itty-bitty shop.

01:50:23.000 And that's how he provided for his family.

01:50:25.000 And that's close.

01:50:27.000 You know, this is what really bugs me about the current state of politics is when we complain about massive multi-billion dollar corporations stealing our rights and the feckless politicians who are beholden to them because they want access to donations or because it's just easier, that's the problem we're facing.

01:50:43.000 And you end up with a left that was supposed to oppose massive and rampant corporate abuses Completely agreeing with it.

01:50:50.000 Demanding that Trump be banned.

01:50:52.000 They don't care what these companies are doing.

01:50:54.000 Some of them do.

01:50:55.000 A lot of these people have criticized Amazon and Walmart for their stock price skyrocketing during the pandemic.

01:51:01.000 But I don't understand why it is, then.

01:51:03.000 You have Donald Trump, who's a wrench in the spokes of the establishment.

01:51:07.000 Take the opportunity.

01:51:08.000 Take the opportunity and do something to crush this crony corporate system that's been in power for too long, that's driving us off a cliff.

01:51:17.000 Otherwise, we're all gonna be, you know, like, it's gonna be like Wall-E.

01:51:21.000 We're gonna be sitting in those chairs, morbidly obese, watching ridiculous reality TV, and that's what they want.

01:51:27.000 But we're also gonna be giving up ridiculous amounts of control, which we already have done, to the likes of Facebook.

01:51:32.000 I'll tell you how one way we can fix the situation, in my opinion, is to free the software code of large social networks.

01:51:39.000 What will that do?

01:51:40.000 If once a network starts getting 100 million people a day, just throwing a random number out there, but some some large number of traffic per day, their software code becomes free.

01:51:48.000 So anyone can pick it up and create a carbon copy of that website, interlinking websites with their own terms of service.

01:51:54.000 So if you wanted to join the Facebook too, if that terms fit you, then you could be on there.

01:52:00.000 You're not talking about freeing up software code, you're talking about federated internet.

01:52:03.000 It would federate the internet in a way, but we would use the government to free the code.

01:52:08.000 We'd still let the private companies function as private companies.

01:52:11.000 Welcome to antitrust.

01:52:13.000 It would be a form of antitrust.

01:52:14.000 All we need is for our existing antitrust laws to be enforced and for these companies to be shattered.

01:52:19.000 Well, I don't want... No, because then Zuckerberg will just make six new private companies with the same code that no one else gets access to.

01:52:24.000 That's what they did to Rockefeller.

01:52:25.000 They tried to break up Standard Oil with Rockefeller and he just made six new oil companies.

01:52:29.000 Freeing the code doesn't mean anything.

01:52:31.000 Freeing the software code means that I or anyone could start their own version of Facebook.

01:52:35.000 And you can do that now?

01:52:36.000 No.

01:52:36.000 You don't have access to a lot of their source code.

01:52:38.000 The not-code-nerd isn't going to talk about this.

01:52:40.000 The problem is I don't know how to regulate Amazon, a company that's not software-based.

01:52:48.000 Right.

01:52:48.000 See, that's why your solution makes no sense.

01:52:49.000 Well, how would you... We need to break these companies up. 0.57

01:52:52.000 Well, you're talking about an e-commerce shop, which is completely different.

01:52:58.000 But like crypto, you know, we're talking about like, let's start with like the big things like my banking system, which I could have.

01:53:06.000 I know nothing about crypto at all.

01:53:07.000 I actually have a good friend of mine that's actually teaching me right now and she.

01:53:13.000 She's big on crypto.

01:53:14.000 And I think that we we should get like different platforms that have that same that decentralized.

01:53:23.000 I think Minds is one.

01:53:24.000 I co-founded that.

01:53:26.000 Yeah, he's the.

01:53:26.000 You did?

01:53:27.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 Oh, this is that's amazing.

01:53:29.000 Yeah.

01:53:29.000 So decentralization.

01:53:31.000 Yes.

01:53:31.000 We need, I'm a big fan of this idea of the federated universe.

01:53:35.000 So the way Twitter, for instance, should function is through, it's called the Fediverse.

01:53:42.000 You host your own server.

01:53:43.000 So if someone wants to follow you, it's like email.

01:53:46.000 Except the difference with email, email you can send an address something.

01:53:49.000 With a federated Twitter system, you would follow someone's email.

01:53:55.000 And then whenever they do it, it's basically just sending out mass messages.

01:53:58.000 Just like Twitter.

01:53:59.000 But no one can ban you because it's your server.

01:54:01.000 And I'm subscribing to your server, not Twitter's server.

01:54:05.000 The problem is, these big social media companies have centralized all their users.

01:54:09.000 And there's no... You know, look, Parler's great.

01:54:12.000 But Parler's an echo chamber.

01:54:14.000 It's, you know, if you want to follow certain people that you can't follow on Twitter, you go to Parler.

01:54:18.000 If Donald Trump moved over, maybe he could make a difference.

01:54:21.000 But for some reason, Trump isn't doing any of that.

01:54:23.000 Changing the narrative, changing the conversation.

01:54:25.000 If Trump came out right now and said, from now on, I will be using Minds.com for all of my posts, he would force all of the major news organizations to switch over, and it would dramatically shift the power structure in big tech.

01:54:36.000 He'd like tweet links to his parlor posts, like with no preview.

01:54:40.000 Yeah.

01:54:40.000 And force them to, cause you can't, you can't view posts without having an account.

01:54:46.000 It's, it's, it's, Trump could do one thing right now that would take him five minutes.

01:54:51.000 He could post something like he normally does, but just do it on an alternative platform, on a different platform.

01:54:55.000 And it would force the journalists to show it.

01:54:58.000 But he's not doing it.

01:54:59.000 Another issue is, uh, decentralizing the, the network.

01:55:02.000 Cause right now, even mine's is like a centralized network.

01:55:06.000 And if someone wants to cut it out, cut out that central node, the entire network goes down.

01:55:09.000 But we're working on mesh networks where everyone's phone hosts the network together.

01:55:14.000 So if you try to take down 70% of the phones, the other 30% are going to keep the network.

01:55:18.000 I'll tell you what, man, this stuff sounds great, but they've been talking about it for decades.

01:55:21.000 And there's people trying to stop it.

01:55:22.000 I think people are trying to slow it or data ownership.

01:55:25.000 Yeah.

01:55:26.000 Where you upload a video and you own that video and every piece of revenue that comes in that goes to you.

01:55:31.000 Well, that's how it happens.

01:55:33.000 It should be like that.

01:55:34.000 I think that's called internet 2.0 Tron.

01:55:36.000 The Tron network is working on that. 0.97

01:55:38.000 But you mean like when they own your data, like when you went to the bathroom and like, Yeah, like Cambridge Analytica using this crap to... 0.96

01:55:47.000 We gotta do Super Chats, man. 0.97

01:55:48.000 We've been going too long.

01:55:49.000 Let's do it.

01:55:50.000 I'll go deep into that right now.

01:55:52.000 It's a rabbit hole.

01:55:53.000 So we have a couple from Nam Phuong Nguyen, but I'm only going to read this one, so I apologize.

01:55:59.000 Nguyen?

01:56:00.000 Yeah.

01:56:00.000 Nguyen.

01:56:00.000 All right.

01:56:01.000 You got it.

01:56:02.000 They're using the fake news to justify pushing socialism in Vietnam again.

01:56:05.000 The people believe the fake news.

01:56:07.000 I see insane anti-West rhetoric for years.

01:56:10.000 What would happen if someday these fester?

01:56:12.000 I'm afraid you didn't end the war in Vietnam.

01:56:14.000 You postponed it.

01:56:16.000 Wow.

01:56:16.000 Interesting.

01:56:17.000 Let's see.

01:56:18.000 SmallRebAndMonkey says, Your last video upload this evening might as well have been

01:56:23.000 named, Have you ever seen the plot to X-Files?

01:56:25.000 Tim, not a conspiracy theorist. Pool. Love ya.

01:56:27.000 I was talking about Harry Reid, former Senate Majority Leader,

01:56:30.000 saying the government has not released all the evidence we have on UFOs.

01:56:34.000 That's just me talking about Harry Reid, you know.

01:56:36.000 There's some mean tech.

01:56:38.000 Let's see.

01:56:40.000 The Civic Nationalist says, Tim, I can't believe that you would have this white supremacist who's Afro-Cuban.

01:56:46.000 The propaganda against the Proud Boys is quite bad over here.

01:56:48.000 The majority of Brits believe that the PBs are Nazis.

01:56:51.000 Share this with them.

01:56:53.000 Isaac N. Bereka says, Enrique, thank you for incorporating healthy masculine energy back into the world.

01:56:59.000 Tim, thank you for being brave and performing real journalism.

01:57:02.000 Yeah, I don't think it's bravery.

01:57:03.000 I think it's nihilism.

01:57:04.000 Well, you gotta brass that.

01:57:06.000 I think it's nihilism.

01:57:07.000 I will tell you that.

01:57:08.000 I'm a lover of human.

01:57:09.000 I don't know, man.

01:57:11.000 This could be our last show.

01:57:13.000 Yeah, every day could be our last.

01:57:14.000 Might as well live it the best you can.

01:57:16.000 Amen.

01:57:17.000 Let's see, Nam Fong Nguyen says, so will you come and see me and hear me in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam?

01:57:25.000 Well, I don't know if that's for me, but I won't.

01:57:26.000 It's for Vietnam, dude. 0.59

01:57:27.000 And you'll love me a long time.

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 Let's see, MW says, dude, you are the man.

01:57:31.000 I wanted to see a long form interview with this guy.

01:57:33.000 Maybe the lies can finally stop.

01:57:36.000 Well, you know, look, man.

01:57:37.000 Do you think it's fair to say that there are some criticisms for the Proud Boys that are deserved?

01:57:41.000 Definitely.

01:57:42.000 I think so.

01:57:43.000 I think, again, third time I say it, we're not everybody's cup of tea.

01:57:50.000 I was going to say a really bad word right now.

01:57:55.000 But we do fight, you know, we basically on our meets, at least in my meets, we have boxing gloves that are always there.

01:58:04.000 But yeah, like we're not everybody's cup of tea.

01:58:06.000 We cuss, we drink.

01:58:09.000 You know, some of our guys might get a little rowdy when they drink outside the bar.

01:58:13.000 But yes, some criticisms.

01:58:16.000 I forgot.

01:58:16.000 I forgot to bring this up.

01:58:17.000 The fourth degree.

01:58:19.000 Did you get rid of that?

01:58:20.000 Thank God you brought that up.

01:58:21.000 No, we didn't get rid of it.

01:58:23.000 The whole thing is the fourth degree is up to interpretation.

01:58:28.000 It doesn't mean like you got to get into a fight.

01:58:29.000 What is it?

01:58:30.000 So we actually cleared that up because in the beginning it wasn't very clear.

01:58:36.000 So how I got my fourth degree, what is the, what is it?

01:58:39.000 The fourth degree?

01:58:40.000 What is it?

01:58:40.000 Fourth degree is a hardship while being a proud boy.

01:58:43.000 Right?

01:58:43.000 So a hardship that I had to endure, I had $35 in my pocket.

01:58:48.000 I was in Miami, Hurricane Harvey was coming and it was, it already made landfall and I'm like, I want to go to over there and I want to help people and they didn't have the money.

01:58:58.000 So I started to go fund me for a thousand bucks cause that's really all I needed.

01:59:01.000 I got $2,000 I packed up the truck with water.

01:59:05.000 I put up my aluminum boat and a motor and uh, I drove up with two proud boys into Harvey and were there for five days sleeping on the asphalt.

01:59:15.000 We did, uh, 300 plus direct water rescues with the Coast Guard and the Cajun Navy.

01:59:22.000 We administered first aid 90 times.

01:59:24.000 We saved 20 something dogs.

01:59:28.000 We passed out, I think it was upwards of like 6,000 water bottles while we were there.

01:59:35.000 And that was my fourth degree.

01:59:37.000 Wow.

01:59:38.000 Right?

01:59:39.000 Yes, you could get a fourth degree if you go to a rally, but you cannot provoke it.

01:59:43.000 You can never be the initiator of anything, right?

01:59:46.000 You can't look for it.

01:59:47.000 It's the only degree out of all the degrees that you cannot look for.

01:59:51.000 Wasn't a specific language like win a fight in defense of Western values?

01:59:55.000 That was the original, yes, that was the original language when we made that.

02:00:00.000 We recreated the bylaws and we went into specifics and what it meant to us.

02:00:05.000 Because in the beginning, in a bar, putting bylaws together, Gavin might have slipped up a little bit.

02:00:12.000 But we did expand on most of these things.

02:00:16.000 And fourth degrees are given for a lot of other things.

02:00:20.000 Like if you have, I know some chapters do this, because the chapters are very autonomous.

02:00:25.000 Like, if you have somebody that's active duty status and it's deployed to a war zone, right, that's a 4th degree.

02:00:31.000 But you have to be a PB.

02:00:32.000 You can't just be a veteran and then just come in and get a 4th degree.

02:00:36.000 So that's considered a 4th degree.

02:00:37.000 So there's a lot of ways that people misconstrue the 4th degree, but yes, I got, in Portland I have a video of it, and they threw an explosive at me and it had shrapnel in my arm and leg like it was a freaking war zone.

02:00:51.000 I mean, to be honest... And the guys pulled it out with vodka and tweezers.

02:00:55.000 It does sound like you guys just, you know, made some changes when you got some criticism.

02:01:01.000 No, actually we needed to expand on a lot of those things because it was a lot of internal things that weren't clear.

02:01:06.000 I think when your organization is started by Gavin as kind of a joke, it's probably going to happen.

02:01:12.000 Well, Gavin's a very interesting guy.

02:01:17.000 You can't tell sometimes, and I think Joe Rogan said this, you can't tell when he's serious or when he's playing most of the time, but knowing him personally, I can tell you most of the time he is joking.

02:01:27.000 And most of the times he's a very loving father, so much so that I don't think I've called Gavin in the past three weeks where he hasn't been in his kid's softball game screaming at his coach.

02:01:39.000 So, um, but, but Gavin, like Richard, let's, let's just go with like Richard Pryor, you know, like his crude jokes, um, Willie Nelson, uh, their crude jokes, like all those people can be misconstrued as like racist or, uh, uh, At times violent, you know, we see people say like vocabulary is violent right now, but he's generally a really good person.

02:02:06.000 He's generally a really good dude and he's been crapped on for such a long time and he's, he's paid for it.

02:02:13.000 He's paid for his views and I paid for my views and I'm completely happy.

02:02:18.000 I can't tell you, I can't tell you that I'm living worse than I was before.

02:02:22.000 I was making a lot more money.

02:02:23.000 I was a DoD contractor for 15 years.

02:02:26.000 And I make probably 10% of what I made before.

02:02:28.000 I'm a garment salesman, but you know what?

02:02:31.000 I don't apologize for it.

02:02:32.000 And I am a lot happier now.

02:02:34.000 I feel like I'm living with purpose, doing something than when I was before where I'm just chasing money.

02:02:41.000 I, you know, I know a lot of people who know Gavin and you know, I'll try and be as fair as possible.

02:02:46.000 I understand a lot of what he does is meant to be provocative.

02:02:48.000 It's meant to be edgy, but some of the things he says you just can't defend at all.

02:02:52.000 I mean, he's called for violence.

02:02:55.000 If you show me exactly right there where he's calling for violence and it's in context, then yeah, fine.

02:03:02.000 But I've never seen it.

02:03:04.000 I've never seen that he's like directly... Vic Berger makes these videos that make him seem like this demon.

02:03:10.000 Yeah, so I understand a lot of those were pulled out of context.

02:03:13.000 I've actually gone through a list of where the clips came from.

02:03:15.000 But I had a reporter on the ground at a rally in D.C.

02:03:20.000 and they were like, dude, Gavin was straight up.

02:03:23.000 So you heard it from a third party?

02:03:24.000 It's true, to be fair, yeah.

02:03:26.000 But I mean, this was someone I sent down specifically to gather news for me saying we saw him go on stage and directly say, you know, get violent.

02:03:32.000 Was this at D.C.?

02:03:33.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 I heard his whole speech in DC.

02:03:36.000 There wasn't anything really violent about it.

02:03:39.000 He brought like rubber handcuffs and he broke himself from the chains.

02:03:44.000 It was a whole comedy skit.

02:03:46.000 So, I don't know.

02:03:47.000 I don't know.

02:03:48.000 I'll re-watch it and I'll... And if your show continues, which one day you'll probably know.

02:03:56.000 I'll come back on and we'll look at address that.

02:03:58.000 It's pretty, I think it's impressive that you took some of like the unclear violent rhetoric and created like a legitimate, you know, request, like instead of get into a fight defensively, it's now endure hardship.

02:04:10.000 That's, that's legitimate.

02:04:11.000 It is a hardship.

02:04:12.000 And a lot of guys go through the ringer.

02:04:15.000 People lose their careers over it.

02:04:17.000 Losing a career can be, in some chapters, be considered a fourth degree.

02:04:21.000 We got a whole bunch of guys that were police officers, and I say were because they get fired, just for being part of it.

02:04:28.000 They're not activists at a rally.

02:04:31.000 As a matter of fact, recently we had a police officer that actually quit his job.

02:04:34.000 I was like, you know what?

02:04:36.000 Forget it.

02:04:37.000 I'm not doing this anymore.

02:04:38.000 I'm an insurance salesman.

02:04:40.000 I got a question for you, but I do want to point something out.

02:04:42.000 I think a lot of people don't understand the point of me trying to ask you critical questions or serious questions.

02:04:51.000 This is just so that you can answer for the things that you've been accused of, or it's your opportunity to say, here's what they said about me.

02:04:59.000 Here's my response to this.

02:05:00.000 And so if I'm seeing things and I'm saying, here's a story that needs to be addressed, a lot of people think I'm personally attacking you.

02:05:07.000 No, no, I don't see it.

02:05:10.000 We kind of, when I came here, I kind of went over it with you guys.

02:05:13.000 Like, I don't like doing interviews with Breitbart.

02:05:16.000 I don't like doing interviews.

02:05:17.000 Nothing wrong with Breitbart.

02:05:18.000 I just personally don't like, I say no to them.

02:05:22.000 You know, and I came on this show because I knew that we had our differences.

02:05:26.000 I know from watching your videos, not personally, because me and you have never really met personally.

02:05:31.000 But I knew that you were going to ask these tough questions.

02:05:33.000 I knew you were going to bring up these questions.

02:05:35.000 And I like, I like getting asked these things because I can't dispel, like, myths.

02:05:41.000 I want to... I'd rather be hated for honest reasons, right, and the group as a whole be hated for honest reasons, than what somebody's telling them to hate us for.

02:05:53.000 But I already know what's going to happen.

02:05:55.000 I mean, people on the right saying, that was unfair, how could you say those things?

02:05:58.000 People on the left saying, you're just pretending to go at them.

02:06:00.000 Because I'm willing to ask any question to anybody.

02:06:03.000 You know, if someone said, like, here's a thing that's happened, here's proof, I got no problem bringing it up.

02:06:08.000 I could be wrong about the Gavin thing at DC.

02:06:10.000 That was someone I had on the ground who said, here's, you know, basically what went down.

02:06:14.000 So I think one criticism I'll probably get from the left is that I should have pulled up more videos and had more direct, you know, hard content, but we don't, and that's just the way it is.

02:06:24.000 Well, before you do that, I want to tell you one of the most difficult questions, the most difficult things to, like, answer to, and Gavin's going to hate me for this. 0.98

02:06:35.000 But I can be having an intellectual like discussion with somebody with like facts or where I pull the videos out and they show them the graphs and I'm in there and then the worst thing that Gavin ever did to the Proud Boys is put a butt plug in his butt on live TV.

02:06:53.000 And there's no intellectual thing that I can tell somebody that could make me win that argument anymore. 0.90

02:07:01.000 I'm like, alright, you know what?

02:07:04.000 You win, I'm out of here, that's it.

02:07:06.000 I think it proves the unserious nature of what it is he's representing.

02:07:11.000 I think a lot of people take him too seriously.

02:07:14.000 You know, I think the media tries really, really hard to find the boogeyman.

02:07:19.000 And Joe Biden, I do believe you are right.

02:07:21.000 He made a tactical error in naming Proud Boys instead of any of these other groups they could have named.

02:07:25.000 Because there are some scary groups out there.

02:07:27.000 And I know the journalists who cover them.

02:07:28.000 These are some scary people. 0.96

02:07:29.000 And the Proud Boys are the silliest bunch, you know, in terms of getting into a fight with Antifa in the street or things like that. 0.97

02:07:37.000 But here's a legit question from Horsehead.

02:07:38.000 He says, what are your thoughts on Fred Perry no longer selling the iconic polos?

02:07:42.000 Will they change styles to something else?

02:07:45.000 So I got this awesome story about that.

02:07:47.000 So, so Fred Perry actually stopped selling their black and yellow, their signature black and yellow Fred Perry in the United States.

02:07:55.000 Right?

02:07:55.000 And they were like, well, we denounced them and they can't wear this shirt.

02:07:58.000 So that we made this major corporation that's been around for decades stop selling this thing.

02:08:04.000 And then on top of that, and this is actually the first time I say it on this show.

02:08:09.000 Uh, so the UK guys took pictures of a whole bunch of boxes, you know, with shipping labels on them.

02:08:15.000 And they're like, it doesn't matter.

02:08:17.000 Our American friends, we're going to ship these things from the UK.

02:08:20.000 Oh.

02:08:21.000 And hook, line, and sinker.

02:08:25.000 Newsweek picked it up and they're like, now the UK Proud Boys are shipping black and yellow Fred Perry's to the States for their friends.

02:08:32.000 And then Fred Perry did get called by Newsweek and he was quoted in the article.

02:08:40.000 But it's amazing that we're able just just by like a small post on telegram because that came from a post on telegram from a small post on telegram it It made a national news outlet like run a story And made this giant corporation answer to it But on a serious level what we're thinking about doing is the black is especially for us Floridians the black and yellow Fred Perry That's another thing that Gavin screwed up on the black and yellow Fred Perry is so hot So we might we might add in a couple of new colors from the Fred Perry line It doesn't matter if he likes us or not.

02:09:17.000 We'll keep giving him money, you know, it's fair But we might we might pick up a very popular, you know lighter colored Fred Perry and start adding it in at least to the southern states Yeah So a lot of the comments, lots of chats are just people saying, you know, great to have you on there.

02:09:33.000 You know, I think it's good that we're having conversations because, you know, obviously the media is not going to do a long form sit down.

02:09:38.000 We have one here.

02:09:39.000 Ethan Johnson says, I'm sorry, Johansson.

02:09:41.000 PSA, as it is National Farmers Day, it's harvest in the heartland.

02:09:45.000 To all of you that have recently moved from population centers to rural areas, be aware that farm equipment is big and slow, 15 to 30 miles an hour.

02:09:53.000 Be patient with us.

02:09:53.000 We want to go home to our families too.

02:09:55.000 Good advice.

02:09:55.000 Good PSA.

02:09:56.000 Yeah.

02:09:57.000 Actually, I owned a Kubota tractor and I had 80 acres of land in North Florida.

02:10:02.000 Oh, wow.

02:10:02.000 And I would drive and I had another piece of property that was like about a mile away and I'd use the tractor and I'd piss people off.

02:10:10.000 So, uh, Isaac says, where did the white supremacist accusations originate?

02:10:15.000 Ben Shapiro even hints at not wanting to be involved with Proud Boys and I trust Ben Shapiro as a news provider.

02:10:21.000 First, I'm going to laugh at somebody trusting Ben Shapiro for anything.

02:10:26.000 I don't, can he swim?

02:10:28.000 I don't know.

02:10:29.000 I don't think so.

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 Um, so the white supremacist moniker comes, I guess, as like the scariest of the scary, right?

02:10:38.000 It's, it's, it's, People think like Nazis. 0.98

02:10:43.000 Nazis are like the boogeyman.

02:10:46.000 That's like the thing that people like accusing other people of.

02:10:51.000 And it's, I forgot, it's Godwin's Law.

02:10:53.000 Yeah.

02:10:53.000 You've heard of that?

02:10:54.000 Godwin's.

02:10:55.000 So the more, you know what that is?

02:10:57.000 No.

02:10:57.000 So Godwin's Law is the more me and you argue, the higher the chances that one of us is going to use a reference to Nazi Germany on each other.

02:11:07.000 So then, you know, the lighter version of that, the light version of Nazi is white supremacy. 0.57

02:11:13.000 And you said that there is a lot of scary groups.

02:11:15.000 And I agree, there probably is.

02:11:18.000 But most of these ethno-nationalist groups are really not a threat. 0.97

02:11:21.000 They don't leave the freaking basement. 0.97

02:11:23.000 They don't leave their house. 0.98

02:11:24.000 I haven't seen, besides in Charlottesville, that I did see some. 0.95

02:11:31.000 I haven't seen like a scary like white supremacist Nazi dude except when I was in prison when like a real white supremacist like the Aryan Brotherhood is there because they'll stab you in the neck and these Antifa guys they want to dox like white supremacists.

02:11:47.000 Why haven't they doxed? 0.98

02:11:48.000 I'll tell you why they haven't doxed the Aryan Brotherhood because they're gonna get stabbed in the neck if they do. 1.00

02:11:54.000 You know, when you dox a Proud Boy, we're like, here, perfect example.

02:11:58.000 We're like, all right, you know what we're going to do after getting doxed so much?

02:12:01.000 We're going to, we're going to find their addresses and we're going to, we're going to, yeah, let's do it.

02:12:06.000 And we, we go like that and we pull up all the information, all their addresses and we sit there together and we're like, all right, what are we going to do with this?

02:12:13.000 We're like, wait.

02:12:15.000 What are we gonna do with him?

02:12:16.000 Are we gonna show up at the house?

02:12:20.000 That happened though, didn't it?

02:12:21.000 Do we knock?

02:12:23.000 Yeah, one of our guys got pissed off at Vic Berger and knocked on his house and asked him to not do that anymore.

02:12:32.000 Hey, uh, Vic, can you stop doing this, please?

02:12:34.000 And Vic, like, blew his lid, but, like, there's nothing that we can do.

02:12:40.000 We've never, you'll never find us go to a house and, like, break a window.

02:12:44.000 He definitely should not have gone to Vic Berger's house.

02:12:46.000 He shouldn't have gone to Vic Berger's house, but regardless, the thing is, yes, but, like, if you're knocking on somebody's door, it's very old school to do that, but you're not, he is an older, older gentleman.

02:12:58.000 but you knock on somebody's door and you're you ask for sugar you're like hey can you turn the music down and that's basically what the conversation was um but we've never been one to like okay let's go to somebody's house and like let's uh Let's slash their tires.

02:13:16.000 You won't find those stories.

02:13:18.000 You won't find the stories of us burning or looting anything.

02:13:21.000 You want me to tell you what's going to happen if Donald Trump loses the election?

02:13:27.000 Nothing.

02:13:27.000 Because the conservatives aren't going to do anything.

02:13:30.000 And it actually makes me happy and it makes me sad at the same time that we don't have that oomph.

02:13:36.000 We're just going to be like, okay, let's just go back to work. 0.98

02:13:39.000 This sucks. 0.84

02:13:40.000 Will I will I go ahead and complain about it for the next four years? 0.99

02:13:44.000 Yes, I did it for eight years.

02:13:45.000 From prison?

02:13:45.000 Yeah, man.

02:13:46.000 From prison.

02:13:47.000 I'll send you guys I'll send you guys letters.

02:13:49.000 But if he wins, if he if he loses, nothing's gonna happen.

02:13:55.000 If he wins.

02:13:57.000 I don't know what's gonna happen.

02:13:58.000 I hope.

02:13:59.000 I'm a white pill guy.

02:14:01.000 I'm very hopeful for the future.

02:14:02.000 And I think this will calm down in the 70s, the anti-war protests and the civil rights protests.

02:14:08.000 Those things calmed down.

02:14:09.000 That was a much tougher time to go through.

02:14:12.000 And I think we're going to get through this as Americans.

02:14:14.000 I think we're going to get through it.

02:14:16.000 I'm not entirely convinced.

02:14:18.000 I wouldn't say that I think the end is nigh, but I think the stuff we've seen from Obamagate, the Russiagate hoax stuff, suggests that we are in very serious trouble in terms of how our country is being run.

02:14:31.000 For too long, the American population has sat back, happy, to just watch their sports and order their pizzas, have their beer, and ignore what was going on in politics.

02:14:40.000 to the point where we actually had a trans satanist anarchist win a republican primary because americans don't know who they're voting for they just attention down ballot all the r's given to me that's what we've been doing for decades and it's ended up with show hearings like today's hearing with amy coney barrett was garbage it was just a bunch of people grandstanding it met did nothing you know what the hearing's supposed to be is my understanding when you have a supreme court I see here you spent X many years at Notre Dame as a professor.

02:15:08.000 Tell me a little bit about that experience and how it will play into being a Supreme Court Justice the American people would like to know.

02:15:14.000 I see here that you're an originalist in the Constitution and with a specialty in stare decisis.

02:15:19.000 What does this mean for the American people?

02:15:21.000 Do you believe this means you are qualified?

02:15:23.000 Instead, what do we get?

02:15:24.000 Trump, sorry.

02:15:24.000 constituents and my vote and my campaign and it has nothing to do with the judge.

02:15:29.000 The hearing is supposed to make sure that the person who is nominated by the

02:15:33.000 president is of sound mind and ability to be a Supreme Court justice because

02:15:38.000 the president can nominate basically anybody. And the Senate suppose if Trump

02:15:42.000 says I'm gonna nominate this uh... Tim Poole. Yeah sure I'd be like uh no thank you.

02:15:47.000 No, but let's say he nominated a guy, a burger chef, you know, at a Bar Louie.

02:15:52.000 And the burger chef's like, I'll do it!

02:15:54.000 He sits down and the Senate says, what experience have you in law?

02:15:57.000 None.

02:15:57.000 Okay, I'm gonna vote against this guy next.

02:15:59.000 That's what they're supposed to be doing.

02:16:01.000 They're not doing it.

02:16:02.000 They're getting up there and saying the Affordable Care Act is 20 million people, Donald Trump, blah, blah, blah.

02:16:07.000 It's, we for too long have allowed do-nothing politicians to put on shows don't actually care about us, sell us out to the biggest

02:16:15.000 corporation, the highest bidder, massive multinational corporations, be it big tech, be it

02:16:20.000 our manufacturing base eroding, and that's where we're at. That's what's happening right

02:16:26.000 now.

02:16:26.000 So Republicans should stand back and stand by?

02:16:28.000 I think Republicans are trashy as much as Democrats are. 0.92

02:16:33.000 I think there's a small handful of people in the Republican Party that are okay. 0.96

02:16:37.000 I think Rand Paul's great, actually.

02:16:38.000 I really like Rand Paul.

02:16:39.000 I liked his dad, too, even though I disagree with him on a lot of political issues.

02:16:42.000 Principally, I think they were really great at what they did.

02:16:45.000 Tulsi's pretty cool.

02:16:46.000 And the Democrats don't really have much of anybody right now.

02:16:49.000 And the Republicans themselves are pretty, you know... No, but I'm saying the people.

02:16:56.000 I think the people need to get up and go vote.

02:16:59.000 There's something happening right now that the Democrats made a big mistake on, and it was betting on mail-in voting.

02:17:05.000 Because mail-in voting has a higher margin of failure than in-person voting.

02:17:09.000 That means Republicans, convinced there's a real threat, are going to go in person, and the Democrats, terrified of COVID, are going to vote by mail and have a higher rate of failure for their votes.

02:17:18.000 giving Donald Trump a major advantage. This could mean, considering, I was reading an Atlantic

02:17:23.000 article that said 50% of Biden's voters are expected to vote by mail. With that margin of

02:17:29.000 failure, the polls could be correct that Joe Biden is leading. But once we get this massive

02:17:34.000 failure rate of mail-in votes, Trump wins. Might not matter.

02:17:37.000 Yeah, might not matter.

02:17:38.000 I've seen it.

02:17:39.000 I've, I've protested.

02:17:40.000 I protested the 2018 election.

02:17:43.000 You know what I got out of it?

02:17:45.000 Another Democrat in office, you know?

02:17:50.000 And the reason why I say that cause a big question from the media was, Oh, uh, are you guys ready to stand by if, uh, the election results don't go in your favor?

02:17:59.000 I go, I've protested the election results almost every year.

02:18:02.000 So, Isaac Hillstrom says he didn't answer the question of where these accusations originated in terms of white supremacy.

02:18:10.000 Where did they start?

02:18:11.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:18:11.000 I think we started talking about something else in the middle of that.

02:18:15.000 I think it's just a made-up thing.

02:18:17.000 I think they went down the line.

02:18:18.000 They were like, well, we can't call them Nazis, but there's a whole bunch of white guys, and it's white supremacy.

02:18:26.000 There's no basis to it.

02:18:28.000 There's no basis to it. 0.95

02:18:29.000 White supremacist groups hate us more than Antifa does. 0.80

02:18:36.000 Why? 0.97

02:18:39.000 We're race mixers. 0.99

02:18:41.000 We're degenerates for letting in gays. 1.00

02:18:45.000 We shouldn't be pro-drug. 0.99

02:18:46.000 We shouldn't drink this much.

02:18:48.000 Like they're Puritans. 1.00

02:18:49.000 And they actually hate us because they feel like we're becoming their voice in this whole thing.

02:18:55.000 Like, they're always going to hate Antifa, right?

02:18:59.000 But they hate us more because they feel like we're watering down their, and I'm just speaking from their eyes, we're watering down their thing.

02:19:07.000 And I've gotten death threats from them before, right?

02:19:10.000 Their death threats are actually a lot worse than the death threats from Antifa.

02:19:15.000 Which I got a very, very, very serious one on Friday before on the 25th before the event.

02:19:21.000 So much so that the FBI took it as a very serious thing.

02:19:24.000 And they had somebody close to me the entire time that I was there.

02:19:28.000 Do you ever kick people out?

02:19:30.000 Yes, but that's very tricky.

02:19:34.000 So we have, and specifically in the event in DC, the Demand Free Speech event, we had somebody, some dude that's a Nazi-loving dude.

02:19:46.000 So what I usually do is I work with police first, and he came in there to agitate the situation.

02:19:51.000 He was blaming the Jews for everything.

02:19:53.000 And first I asked police to escort him out, and I didn't know, like I knew this, but I didn't know, I thought they were able to, like the police were able to bend it.

02:20:03.000 And they're like, well, we can't kick him out.

02:20:05.000 It's a public park.

02:20:07.000 Even if you have a permit for the entire thing, we can't kick somebody out of a public park.

02:20:11.000 But we actually berated him until he left, which worked out perfectly fine.

02:20:17.000 And we've uninvited people that are ethno-nationalists to some of these events that we go to.

02:20:24.000 What I meant was, though, would you ever kick people out of the Proud Boys?

02:20:27.000 Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

02:20:28.000 Yeah, we would.

02:20:29.000 What would cause that?

02:20:32.000 Many things, like, on personal things, like one thing that we really don't... besides views, okay?

02:20:38.000 So if you have something that's against tenants, we will act upon it.

02:20:43.000 That chapter will act upon it.

02:20:46.000 But, like, other things would include, like, stealing money from somebody or sleeping with somebody's wife, which hasn't happened.

02:20:53.000 But that is part of like our code of conduct, um, where there's things that, you know, are just unforgivable.

02:21:00.000 Another thing is that we vet every member that comes in.

02:21:03.000 I'm a felon, right?

02:21:04.000 So it doesn't mean we don't let felons in, but we do do a background check.

02:21:08.000 So if you're a wife beater, uh, if you're a pedophile or things like that, which I don't, we've never had a pedophile try to join, but we've had people that have like domestic, uh, abuse things that have come up and we haven't.

02:21:23.000 So there's some things that we're a little bit more leaning on and some things that we're not.

02:21:28.000 But yes, we do kick out members.

02:21:30.000 We do have bylaws.

02:21:31.000 We are an organization.

02:21:33.000 We do have some type of structure, even though our chapters are very autonomous.

02:21:38.000 There is a set of rules.

02:21:39.000 There is a national set of rules.

02:21:41.000 That's kind of like a constitution and a code of conduct that you do have to follow.

02:21:45.000 So people have noticed that there is a stink bug on your chair.

02:21:47.000 Oh no.

02:21:48.000 He's just walking back and forth doing his thing.

02:21:50.000 He was on top of your computer.

02:21:50.000 Yeah, he's been rolling all evening.

02:21:52.000 Yeah, he's chilling, man.

02:21:52.000 Oh, there he is.

02:21:53.000 There's two of them in here.

02:21:54.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:54.000 So be careful because they're stink bugs.

02:21:55.000 You know what happens if you scare them?

02:21:57.000 What?

02:21:57.000 It stinks.

02:21:57.000 Stinky.

02:21:59.000 I wouldn't say it stinks. 0.74

02:21:59.000 It's just a strong smell. 0.74

02:22:01.000 You're gonna be like, whoa.

02:22:02.000 He's famous.

02:22:03.000 Yeah.

02:22:03.000 I'm from Florida.

02:22:04.000 We have all sorts of bugs. 0.98

02:22:05.000 Stink bugs.

02:22:05.000 We don't have bugs.

02:22:06.000 Well, anyway, man.

02:22:08.000 I'm glad you were able to come down.

02:22:09.000 I think I know that, you know, no one's going to be satisfied with the conversation we actually had for the most part.

02:22:16.000 I didn't expect it.

02:22:17.000 I think a lot of people are going to be happy at least that we tried and I hope that we got something productive out of it.

02:22:22.000 And I think the media is pumped out a ridiculous amount of lies about you guys.

02:22:26.000 I think there's some valid criticisms.

02:22:28.000 I think it's, you know, truth is always close to the middle.

02:22:30.000 But as the media just goes crazier and crazier in a desperate bid to make money, it's just getting nuts, man.

02:22:35.000 It's just getting the grift, you know what I mean? 0.95

02:22:37.000 The media's desperate attempt to scare people about these groups, it's just getting ridiculous.

02:22:41.000 That being said, we've gone over quite a bit.

02:22:43.000 I didn't get as much Super Chats as I wanted to, but I think we just had a lot to go through, but thanks for coming on.

02:22:48.000 Uh, you're banned from everywhere.

02:22:50.000 So I guess, you know, parlor.

02:22:52.000 Yeah.

02:22:52.000 Parlor.

02:22:53.000 You're on parlor.

02:22:54.000 And I think people need to see for themselves and do their own investigation, make their own determinations about what they think about you, me, Ian, anybody in, you know, but, uh, what's your parlor username?

02:23:05.000 So you could find me on Parler.

02:23:06.000 You could actually either search my name, which is really tough to spell for some people, Enrique Tarrio, or you could, my handle is at noble lead altogether.

02:23:15.000 Um, you can find the proud boys.

02:23:17.000 You could go to proud boys, uh, proud boys, USA.com website.

02:23:21.000 If you want to just keep up with like some news updates or if somebody did want to join, that's where they joined.

02:23:27.000 Another way that you could support me financially and other Proud Boys is you go to 1776.shop and we sell a whole bunch of conservative merchandise.

02:23:35.000 And this shirt will be up by tomorrow morning.

02:23:38.000 And for the left, we are actually booking some Antifa people.

02:23:42.000 And we're actually going to have... Can I be on too?

02:23:46.000 Well, you have them on by themselves, but I want to be able... I've never been able in this setting.

02:23:50.000 And I think that you'd be doing a really big service to your viewers if you sit me Let's do it.

02:23:58.000 I will absolutely reach out to some Antifa people to see if they would want to sit down and have that conversation.

02:24:03.000 You know, I think a lot of people are like, Tim's gonna debate this guy.

02:24:06.000 I don't debate anybody.

02:24:07.000 And people get mad like, you weren't hard enough on this guy.

02:24:09.000 I'm like, well I don't debate people.

02:24:11.000 Like, we have a conversation.

02:24:11.000 I try and throw some questions their way.

02:24:13.000 But anyway, that being said, thanks everybody for hanging out.

02:24:15.000 Smash that like button before you go.

02:24:17.000 This could maybe be our last show.

02:24:19.000 I don't know.

02:24:19.000 Whatever.

02:24:19.000 I don't care.

02:24:20.000 It's been real, guys.

02:24:21.000 Thank you.

02:24:21.000 And 2020's been fun.

02:24:23.000 But, you know, journalism has to be fearless.

02:24:25.000 And as much as the left wants to argue that what we do is not journalism, well, you know, here and there, I think we do a lot of political commentary.

02:24:32.000 I do, at least.

02:24:33.000 This show is more conversational, but sometimes you've got to talk to people to figure out who they are.

02:24:37.000 And I've got to be honest with you, man.

02:24:38.000 I've interviewed Soviet generals.

02:24:40.000 I've interviewed Brazilian gang leaders.

02:24:43.000 Interviewing some dude who the media seems to not like is not the craziest interview I've ever done.

02:24:48.000 But of course, it's very contentious, so maybe it'll be the last show.

02:24:52.000 If that's the case, make sure you like, subscribe, share the show at the notification bell, and we'll see how things play out.

02:24:57.000 You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.

02:25:00.000 Check out my other channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.

02:25:04.000 Of course, you can follow Ian.

02:25:06.000 Yes, I like to talk about space and magnetics.

02:25:09.000 And you can find me at Ian Crossland, YouTube, Twitter.

02:25:13.000 Instagram, it goes on.

02:25:14.000 There you go.

02:25:15.000 And of course, you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.

02:25:17.000 I am here!

02:25:17.000 I just haven't been on camera, like, at all.

02:25:19.000 There you go.

02:25:19.000 Such a great guest.

02:25:20.000 It's been really fun to listen to.

02:25:22.000 Sour Patch L-Y-D-S. 0.86

02:25:23.000 Yes.

02:25:24.000 And we'll be back tomorrow night, I think.

02:25:26.000 I don't know.

02:25:27.000 There's a spider here.

02:25:28.000 There's some stink bugs there.

02:25:29.000 We'll see how things play out.

02:25:30.000 Internet seemed to work just fine today.

02:25:31.000 So I'll leave it there.

02:25:33.000 Thanks so much to everybody for hanging out.

02:25:35.000 And we're going to try and do, I don't know, a bunch of hard interviews.

02:25:39.000 I've been reaching out to a bunch of lefties, far leftists, Antifa people.

02:25:42.000 It's going to be interesting.

02:25:43.000 And we're going to bring them out.

02:25:44.000 We're going to bring them to the studio.

02:25:46.000 That'll be fun.

02:25:47.000 So stick around.

02:25:47.000 We will see you all next time.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 12, 2020

Timcast IRL - Chairman Of The Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, In Studio

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