In this episode, we talk to the President of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, about his background, his views on white supremacists, and the controversy surrounding the Proud Boy's trip to Portland, Oregon. We also talk about the accusations that the group is a white supremacist group.
00:01:05.000And so you take a bunch of Trump supporters, you send them into this area, naturally Antifa's gonna come out, they're gonna act a fool, and there's gonna be violence.
00:01:12.000And it was particularly troubling because we've already seen this Black Lives Matter Antifa guy, tattoo on his neck, stalk a Trump supporter, put two bullets in his chest.
00:01:22.000So hearing that the Proud Boys are planning on doing this, I was very critical.
00:01:27.000And I've talked to a lot of Trump supporters who have actually agreed that there's an issue with respecting... There's a challenge in respecting the rights of individuals to have their free speech, to hold their rallies, And then going into an area where you know Antifa is saying, we're gonna have our rally here.
00:01:47.000And then it's also, you know, you get Antifa saying, we're defending ourselves because they came to our town.
00:01:53.000So, to talk about this, we have the chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, and we're also gonna talk about the names that you have been called, your organization, the founding of your organization, and I've got the Anti-Defamation League pulled up, I've got the Southern Poverty Law Center, I've got the AP.
00:02:09.000We tried to find some of the harshest criticisms in a professional sense, so the ADL and the SPLC, because we're not here for softballs, and we're gonna, you know, we'll call it like we see it, but I think it's important to actually hear from you, Because I heard you are a white supremacist and I couldn't help but notice that you're not white.
00:02:29.000Well, probably like really bad at my job being a white supremacist.
00:02:34.000So, but thank you for having me on Tim.
00:02:38.000And I really appreciate that you guys have me on when a lot of people don't want to have me on for some reason.
00:02:45.000I don't think I'm this giant controversial character that people are portraying us to be.
00:02:50.000I think, Well, to give you some... I don't know what the right word is for it, but I'll say it this way.
00:02:58.000We've got a lot of stuff to go through, and the criticisms... I literally just opened by saying I was critical of what you guys were going to do in Portland.
00:03:05.000I think, ultimately, everything turned out fine.
00:03:08.000But when Donald Trump was giving the debate, when he was in the debate with Joe Biden, and he was asked to disavow white supremacists and right-wing militias, it was Joe Biden who yelled out, Proud Boys.
00:03:20.000And then Trump said, stand, what'd he say, stand back and stand by, something like that?
00:03:32.000Joe Biden called them out, this group, we need to understand what it is and why it should be condemned or told to either stand down or whatever Donald Trump was saying.
00:03:42.000Why would journalists, even New York Times journalists, say don't interview individuals that were named in a presidential election debate, potentially one of the most important?
00:03:51.000So naturally we wanted to, we actually wanted to get you in sooner.
00:05:55.000He invited everybody to the bar on a Friday night and they came out and it wasn't supposed to like he did he made up the name from an Aladdin musical and he did the tenets and the credo the degrees of membership all right there acapella like like straight what are your tenets and these are the ten tenets of being a proud boy and what are the degrees and he went through them and it was made right there on the spot and It started blowing up.
00:06:27.000And it really started to blow up after the J-20 riots, the inauguration day riots, because we dared to fight back.
00:09:48.000And we're not afraid to defend ourselves.
00:09:53.000Going back to the first point I was making when we opened the show, don't you think there's a problem if you guys go to Portland and then you know it's an Antifa hotbed?
00:10:01.000Understanding, I understand, in the United States you have a right to march where you want to march.
00:10:05.000But you're jumping into the fray, then Antifa's there all hot and agitated and crazy.
00:10:10.000Then they come to these events, they attack you, and then you get into fights.
00:10:15.000I think I agreed with you a hundred percent when you did the video on our Portland, our September 26 rally.
00:11:08.000And we were away from Antifa and the only reason that Antifa went to there was a park that was close by called Flamingo Park, I think, or Peninsula Park.
00:11:18.000The only reason that they went there is because I said in a private message that I leaked.
00:11:25.000I said that we're going to going to Peninsula Park.
00:11:53.000But I decided to go over there to expose.
00:11:59.000I decided to go over there and I decided to dare, right?
00:12:03.000To go over there and I felt the brunt of it.
00:12:06.000I felt people were like turning on us and like, why are you going over there?
00:12:10.000And the reason why we're going over there, because the only reason why cops did their job that week, and they're going to do their job till the end of the year, was because we showed up.
00:13:57.000He's had numerous videos where he's straight up called for violence.
00:14:01.000He was at a rally in DC where I, uh, Had some reporters on the ground covering it, and I can't remember what the rally was, but it wasn't that long ago and Gavin was calling for violence.
00:14:12.000So I know that Gavin stepped down from the Proud Boys, but that's your founding.
00:14:17.000This is a guy who's got numerous videos, some of them are taken out of context.
00:14:21.000You know, there was one video I think where he was talking about, you know, putting a choke chain on a dog, and it was taken out of context to make it seem like he was saying attack people, but he's definitely called for violence.
00:14:30.000So I mean, this is... I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, the only reason he stepped down was because he was trying to take heat off of some Proud Boy members who were facing prison time.
00:16:36.000And this is the first time, maybe I'm blind to the system, but this is the first time I ever see that they did not get to face their accuser.
00:18:00.000There's video footage of Proud Boys kicking a guy on the ground in the fetal position over and over again.
00:18:06.000So when the story first came out, the initial reaction we saw, because we saw surveillance footage, was Antifa throw a bottle, and then Proud Boys run up and start fighting, and then the Proud Boys won very quickly, but kept going as they were still on the ground, and that's where they say the charges actually stem from.
00:18:24.000But actually, later on, more footage was released showing that before Antifa even threw the bottle, the Proud Boys were running at them from down the street, and then Antifa threw the bottle.
00:18:37.000After they stomped the guys on the ground, which is all on video, they kept live-streaming, and one of the guys who was streaming was filming a couple Proud Boys laughing about how they were stomping a guy's head on the ground, and one guy was jumping, going, like, yeah!
00:18:53.000Then, when I captured, I downloaded that stream, the Proud Boy, when he found out that people were... I think the guy streaming wasn't a Proud Boy.
00:19:01.000So there's video of The charges stem from they didn't just win like so here's the argument I was told when I covered this people said just because someone's gone down doesn't mean the fight is over and So they wanted to make sure that Antifa didn't get back up because they were a threat But the Proud Boys ran at Antifa and then continued to stomp them and then bragged about it on a live stream afterwards So I'm not going to tell you that I know exactly the entire story on the video side or anything, but when you're basically stalked, right?
00:19:35.000Your homes get bricks thrown through the window.
00:20:32.000Just being a normal person that thinks that there's something wrong and you don't go to any rallies and one day you decide, hey, I'm gonna go to a comedy show with Gavin.
00:20:40.000And then there's this giant protest outside and they arrested three Antifa members.
00:20:44.000I think they beat up like a journalist and stole his camera equipment.
00:21:26.000They have advice from lawyers, and they know what they're doing.
00:21:28.000You guys don't seem to understand how the system actually works.
00:21:32.000So my understanding of the story, when I was covering it at the time, After the police came and broke up the fight, I believe you're correct that they ultimately didn't do much, but then came back later with charges, the Proud Boys cooperated entirely with the police.
00:21:44.000Gave them their information, told them what was up.
00:21:48.000So my understanding is the DA said, if Antifa was caught at the time and we knew who they were, they would face the same charges, but they got away.
00:23:09.000I remember some of the first events where I saw Proud Boys in person confused what they were doing at these rallies because it was this weird, you know, Gavin joke.
00:23:17.000But I think what you guys need to realize is you have scrutiny.
00:23:40.000I understand, especially in Portland, the district attorneys in Portland, Chicago, Fort Worth, and New York have been releasing all of these rioters.
00:23:48.000Joe Biden's campaign solicited donations to bail them out, and Kamala Harris did personally.
00:23:53.000So yeah, it seems like a very serious issue.
00:23:56.000What I see, however, is the American people who are sick and tired of the riots, the people I know in the Chicagoland area who are sick and tired of the riots, and then roll their eyes in annoyance when they hear Proud Boys are coming around, and then it's essentially just going to cause more fighting or...
00:24:12.000Not that you guys are on par with what Antifa and Black Lives Matter are doing in rioting, but that they're sick of all of it, and they want the police to just shut it down.
00:24:19.000So wouldn't it be better if you guys just didn't get into fights?
00:24:25.000I don't think it would be better if you just let cops do their jobs because cops aren't doing their jobs.
00:24:31.000It's not that they don't want to, it's that they're not allowed to.
00:26:00.000You got a state of emergency declared, the police powers were restored, but the police have been making these arrests.
00:26:05.000The first deputization came from Oregon State Police, because every time they arrest these Black Lives Matter or Antifa rioters, it's the district attorney who keeps releasing them.
00:26:15.000The state police actually issued a statement saying, what's the point of, I'm paraphrasing by the way, what's the point of doing this if everyone we arrest is cut loose immediately and come right back out and riot?
00:26:29.000The police were empowered a little bit more.
00:26:30.000There was a deputization of local police, which we'll retain.
00:26:35.000And there actually is a breaking story right now that the DA, I believe his name is Mike Schmidt in Portland, cut loose an Antifa rioter and the feds immediately came in and issued federal charges.
00:26:45.000There was a statement made by, so that is one, I guess you, there's pros and there's cons to that result, you know, that the increasing authority of the federal government is worrying in my opinion.
00:26:55.000But if local district attorneys aren't stopping these people, and we have now 130 plus days of rioting, Yeah, it becomes really, really difficult to figure out how
00:27:30.000And I think the American people are tired.
00:27:31.000And I fully understand what you're saying.
00:27:33.000And there really is a serious challenge in that we have all of these cities where rioting has kept popping up, notably in the Pacific Northwest.
00:27:44.000Lakers riots, I guess, in L.A., which was absurd.
00:27:47.000In Portland, they just tore down a statue of Abraham Lincoln.
00:27:51.000Now, the Teddy Roosevelt one, it was Indigenous Peoples' Day.
00:27:53.000Okay, I understand they're mad about both of these individuals, but it doesn't seem like there's a cohesive group.
00:27:58.000It seems like you have emboldened groups, far-left extremists who have been rioting now for several months, of varying ideologies, from Antifa to Indigenous rights to Black Lives Matter.
00:28:09.000You've got the indigenous activists tearing down Abraham Lincoln, and you'd think that would be something the Black Lives Matter people actually wouldn't want torn down.
00:28:17.000You've got some fringe leftists tearing down Frederick Douglass in Rochester, which is insane, and you think you wouldn't want torn down.
00:28:23.000But anyway, ultimately, I think, well, I certainly believe, you know, Trump is correct when he says it's coming from the left.
00:28:30.000The way I described it before is if 300 Proud Boys were marching in front of my house, I'd just be like, what are you doing?
00:28:38.000If 300 Antifa were marching in my house, I'd be calling the police and saying, you need to get down here because these are the people that put on masks, smash things.
00:28:46.000We recently saw in Denver, there was a security guard hired by a news outlet, Nine News, and he shot a Trump supporter.
00:28:55.000According to a reporter on scene, he came up behind her and approached a Trump supporter, police supporter, And made some kind of move towards him.
00:29:05.000The Trump supporter slapped him in apparently some kind of preemptive or defensive measure, knocking his head off.
00:29:12.000He took two steps back and then the guy was pulling his gun out as he was stepping back and shot him in the face as the dude was letting off some spray.
00:29:19.000We also saw what happened in Portland with Michael Reinohl stalking some Trump supporters and then calling them out.
00:29:28.000And then he shoots him twice in the chest.
00:29:30.000We're not seeing So, where are the, like, Trump-supporting conservatives that are doing that kind of behavior?
00:29:38.000Showing up to rallies, put on by the left, attacking people, hospitalizing them.
00:29:43.000Like I mentioned, we do have the example of, from the DC Riot Squad, of, I believe it was Portland, where Proud Boys were beating somebody up.
00:29:51.000So, there are, you know, there are problems here.
00:29:54.000But we tend to see, the way I describe it is, on the left you have a widespread of blunt force.
00:30:01.000Whereas extremists associated with the right, whatever that really means, it's complicated terminology, you have extremist actions that are extremely elevated in terms of mass shootings and things like that and bombings.
00:30:13.000But I don't think it's fair to connect you to, say, a neo-Nazi group.
00:30:19.000You're clearly not white supremacists.
00:30:21.000That being said, some of your members were in Charlottesville.
00:31:17.000But I saw an Antifa black block with a broken flagpole trying to harpoon somebody.
00:31:26.000And the only reason that they weren't successful is because that guy was wearing a plate carrier, or else it would have been two deaths.
00:31:32.000I mean, I'm talking about this guy went was ramming this thing full speed at him.
00:31:36.000And luckily it was broken up and state police was Like maybe 10 feet away and he just turned his back to this.
00:31:46.000So that, you know, that let police do their job sometimes just doesn't work.
00:31:51.000Sometimes you have to step in and I'm not saying to be a vigilante.
00:31:54.000I'm not telling anybody to be a vigilante and I don't think you should be a vigilante, but sometimes we can do something and we can be smarter.
00:32:01.000But yes, there was people on both sides that were horrible.
00:32:06.000But there was people on both sides that I saw conversations where people were having, hey, I think that we should tear down this statue.
00:32:30.000And that's why they said, do not interview the Proud Boys, even though they got named in a presidential debate, one of the most consequential in our lifetimes.
00:32:38.000I think it's extremely important to figure out who you are, what you stand for, you know, and what you're doing.
00:32:44.000In terms of Charlottesville, I believe Gavin issued a statement denouncing the alt-right.
00:34:30.000But Western civilization also, as a whole, created this awesome system where we're able to sit next to each other and broadcast to millions of viewers and in the comfort of a studio.
00:34:48.000Well, the opposite would be, uh, yeah, it would be Eastern civilization.
00:34:52.000And it doesn't mean, here's another thing, like, just because it's kind of like an America first thing.
00:34:58.000And then the first thing people think of is like, Oh, well, you're crapping all over the other countries.
00:35:02.000No, it doesn't mean that we're putting other countries last.
00:35:06.000It means that we want to put America first, whether it's through activism, legislation, um, anything that we do in our lives, we do want to put our country first.
00:35:14.000Uh, Now we have allies like Mexico and Canada.
00:35:40.000You're saying that he, was he not a proud boy or what?
00:35:43.000He came to a meeting, and after that he didn't get integrated into a chapter, and then shortly after that he decided to do the Unite the Right rally, which is what it was called in Charlottesville.
00:35:57.000And we saw it coming from a mile away that it was a horrible idea.
00:36:23.000You knew it because after he announced that this, like, even the flyer was cringey.
00:36:29.000You know, that's why we knew it wasn't going to be a good event to go to, period.
00:36:33.000So that's why Gavin said that he disavowed the entire event.
00:36:39.000And these guys were so stupid that they thought that the first one went so good that they started making Unite the Right 2, which was a complete flop.
00:36:52.000Knowing who was organizing, who was going to be there.
00:36:55.000And then even the night before you had these people marching around as Joe Biden likes to, you know, constantly talk about the people with the torches at a certain point.
00:37:03.000Don't, don't just say like, I don't want to be here with these people.
00:37:19.000I didn't really... I did feel, like I just said, I did feel some type of way of tearing down history.
00:37:26.000My parents, my grandfather's Cuban and I've gone to Cuba many times throughout my adult life and I've understood like what the consequences of a socialist government is.
00:37:39.000I've understood them erasing history and as a matter of fact, Um, when Che Guevara and Castro were taking over the island from the west coast to the east coast, there was this little farm just outside the outskirts of a city that needed, that was strategically important for the revolution.
00:37:58.000So they took over that farm, but they asked the family that was there, you know, that they wanted to use the farm as a forward operating base in order to attack the city.
00:38:08.000Well, when that family declined, they got the two oldest males and they brought them out, they put them on their knees, they tied their hands behind their back, and they shot them in the back of the head.
00:38:19.000And that family shares a last name with me because they were my family, is the Tarrios.
00:38:25.000So I do know and what they did on the island after that made my grandfather leave They started erasing history and the same thing the same thing that I saw What they wanted to do in Charlottesville again, I wasn't gonna go if I didn't get a gig recording I wouldn't have gone I would have seen the mayhem from the comfort of my phone but It was, it was something that you needed to be there.
00:38:55.000The media spun it, uh, in a way that I've never seen them spin something like that before.
00:39:01.000Like before I got to my hotel room, that's it.
00:39:04.000It was, it was chaos and there was chaos.
00:39:08.000Uh, but they focused on small fringe groups.
00:39:14.000They didn't focus on people, they didn't focus on those small conversations.
00:39:18.000Actually that was the first time I met Darryl Lamont Jenkins and he was having actually a really good conversation with somebody.
00:39:29.000Self-identified member of Antifa that lives in the Philadelphia area, I believe, and I've had multiple conversations with him before.
00:39:40.000Out in DC, Portland, I've seen him all over the place, but he did have a conversation.
00:39:44.000He did have nasty conversations with people, but the media focuses On the bad that's going on in the world and people like to focus on, Oh my God, the civil war is coming.
00:42:02.000That is prejudice against people because of the color of their skin, because of their religion, because of their cultural background, and anything that has to do with authoritarian governments.
00:42:15.000And I hate having to repeat that so many times, and I know that there's a lot of viewers here that don't know who the Proud Boys is, but I have to constantly repeat that.
00:42:22.000I don't like labeling myself, and this is the Afro-Cuban label, something that the media uses all the time, and I hate putting people in boxes.
00:43:03.000But that's like I think people who are like regular moderate Americans and conservatives roll their eyes when they constantly hear questions like that.
00:43:52.000I have here the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of fascism.
00:43:58.000They say, a political philosophy, movement, or regime, such as that of the fascisti, that exalts nation, and often race, above the individual, and that stands for a centralized autocratic government, headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
00:44:17.000So, um, I think you've already explained this.
00:44:20.000I think the only thing out of that is that you, uh, are a patriot, but I don't, would you, so, clearly, Let me just ask you, are you for a centralized autocratic government?
00:44:52.000Well, I think the individual, I think the individual, the reason why I'm an American supremacist is because the founding of this country is about the individual.
00:46:13.000So when the president says, I agree with the president, when the president says law and order, I agree with him because I understand where he's coming from.
00:46:20.000He says law and order in the cities that don't have law and order.
00:46:41.000You know, okay, yeah, the government isn't stopping us from speaking our words, but now the corporations are.
00:46:48.000So let me, uh, I'm going to pull up the Anti-Defamation League and I'm going to show you, I'm going to, I'm going to read what they say about your organization.
00:46:55.000In fact, they use a photo of you in the Proud Boys.
00:46:58.000It says, uh, they don't say your name.
00:47:46.000The Proud Boys represent an unconventional strain of American right-wing extremism.
00:47:51.000While the group can be described as violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic, its members represent a range of ethnic backgrounds, and its leaders vehemently protest any allegations of racism.
00:48:03.000Their founder Gavin McInnes went so far as to file a defamation lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center when the SPLC designated the Proud Boys a hate group.
00:48:12.000So they do point out, you have various backgrounds, but they call you violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic.
00:48:19.000So, I don't know, if you want to have a direct response to, you know, what they're saying there, and then I'll ask you some questions.
00:48:27.000I mean, there's a lot of like, a lot of word there to dispel.
00:48:31.000But, um, again, it's like a repetitive answer.
00:48:36.000We don't care what somebody's race is.
00:48:38.000We don't care what somebody's religion is.
00:51:33.000Trump supporters are going to vote for Trump no matter what.
00:51:37.000But these people in the Senate that are watching that are actually trying to decide between one candidate or another, this thing gets brought up.
00:51:46.000We're a bigger hit than COVID when COVID should be like one of the main things that both candidates are talking about.
00:51:53.000Um, Proud Boys comes up in like a little snippet and it suddenly turns into, to date, uh, he's, uh, the Biden camp has sent 14 ads, email ads for fundraising with Proud Boys names on it.
00:52:09.000Um, while those people that are watching to, to figure out what side that which person that they're going to vote on, they come up with Proud Boys and they're like, oh, okay, well these guys must be bad because Biden just mentioned them.
00:52:22.000Well, when you go ahead and you Google and just on the surface, I know that there's like our Wikipedia page is edited by Antifa.
00:52:32.000But you do just a little bit of digging and they'll understand who we are.
00:52:34.000Plus, and I'll say this, I think first on your show.
00:52:41.000I have 160 guys in my chapter, in my South Florida chapter.
00:52:45.000I have 345, which is the last time I checked, 345 applications to join my chapter alone, and that is something that has expanded across the country.
00:52:56.000It's the same thing all over the place, where they have more people in vetting, in the vetting process, than they do in their chapter.
00:53:02.000He has grown our numbers exponentially.
00:53:04.000You're saying Joe Biden has grown your numbers by...
00:53:20.000I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who have been yelling at me in the comments because, you know, I've been asking you a lot of these questions and, you know, giving some critique and pushback.
00:53:28.000And I'm sure there's much people on the left who are saying I'm not nearly hard enough.
00:53:31.000But the, I think obviously the media, the way they frame what the Proud Boys are, who you are, is very clearly fake news.
00:53:41.000I think when I look at the Anti-Defamation League, they got a bunch of citations and sources for various Proud Boys.
00:53:47.000I think they're taking a left critical view of you.
00:53:50.000Some, some of these things like transphobic, for instance, I think it's fair to say there are from a left perspective, there are probably a lot of instances where they could call you a transphobic.
00:53:59.000My bathroom at my office has a, has a piece of artwork from Sabo that has like half man, half woman that says it, right?
00:55:12.000The only time that I've experienced like racism is when somebody drops the N-bomb on me from the other side or calls me a coon or calls me Uncle Tom.
00:55:23.000My guys have never even referred to me anywhere close to what they have.
00:55:42.000I was in Portland and I saw a black Proud Boy and Antifa was screaming the N-word and other words at him and it was just shockingly gratuitous.
00:56:20.000But there's also a video of Antifa in Portland screaming the N-word and racial slurs at ICE agents.
00:56:26.000So I've seen that, and I've wondered why it is the media doesn't call that out specifically, because for all the criticism anyone or I could give to the Proud Boys, that's the criticism that needs to be said of Antifa and these other far-left extremists.
00:56:38.000Wouldn't that video, wouldn't those videos, because I have, I have videos like that.
00:56:44.000Wouldn't those videos put them on the SPLC's radar?
00:56:50.000Because the SPLC says that we haven't classified Antifa because they're not, they don't discriminate based on race.
00:57:27.000But, uh, bringing this up, we, I have a, uh, I think one of the most important stories Proud Boys, Black Lives Matter leaders, meet to denounce white supremacy.
00:57:37.000And it looks like we have two Proud Boys as well as a black woman with a Black Lives Matter shirt on.
00:58:01.000They say, Salt Lake City, leaders of a local chapter of both Proud Boys and Black Lives Matter met to denounce white supremacy last week after they were mentioned at the first presidential debate.
00:58:11.000The Proud Boys said their safety is threatened when people believe they are white supremacists.
00:58:15.000Quote, I will go out and say that the Proud Boys as a whole, I will say this on behalf of the entire national organization, denounce white supremacy.
00:58:23.000The chief of the Proud Boys Salt Lake Utah chapter, who only gave the name Thad, said, Fox 13 reported, we are in no way shape or form white supremacists.
00:58:33.000We have a vetting system that gets those people out of our hair.
00:58:36.000We do not have anything to do with white supremacy.
00:58:38.000We do not have anything to do with the Ku Klux Klan.
00:58:43.000Then we have another quote from Proud Boys met with Jakari Kelly, the leader of Black Lives Matter Northern Utah, which is not affiliated with Black Lives Matter Utah, saying, I had no idea who the Proud Boys were.
00:58:54.000I heard the words Proud Boys mentioned throughout the activist community, and I just didn't know who they were.
00:58:59.000And then I started to hear they were white supremacists.
00:59:02.000Kelly met with Thad and Proud Boys Chapter President Seth to discuss myths about both groups.
00:59:07.000We came to realize we had more in common than not.
00:59:09.000In order to combat evil and racism and hatred in this country, we do need to be able to reach across the aisle and have these tough conversations that everybody is scared to have.
00:59:18.000Kelly said the Proud Boys she met are not white supremacists, and said they were proud American men who needed a little bit of respect and education in order to bridge the gaps.
00:59:27.000I don't care what color your skin is, we're all Americans, and we need to find a way to come together instead of divide," said Seth.
00:59:32.000Thad, however, singled out Antifa, which Biden called an idea and not an organization, at the debate, saying, They are a problem.
00:59:44.000That's why they say they are not an organization.
00:59:46.000They function autonomously, in cells, much like terrorists.
00:59:50.000According to KUTV, Thad said the SPLC and the ADL, along with mainstream media, had created a misconception about the group, blaming violence that has taken place at certain Proud Boys events on provocations by Antifa.
01:00:02.000They go on to mention, you know, where the Proud Boys were found with Gavin McInnes.
01:00:11.000To hear a Black Lives Matter leader saying, I don't know who this group is, I'm going to meet with them, and then saying, no, they just need some education and some respect, but they're proud American men, I think really shows the media is constructing much of the narrative.
01:00:26.000If you're going to have a Black Lives Matter leader actually come out and vouch for you guys, I think that's powerful.
01:00:31.000But more importantly, we saw something interesting as Thad calls out Antifa.
01:00:35.000Just the other day, a Black Lives Matter activist Radded on Antifa.
01:00:41.000Antifa was planning a flash mob in, I believe it was Portland.
01:00:45.000And a Black Lives Matter activist said, stop using Black Lives Matter to disguise your activism.
01:00:51.000And apparently alerted the police, who as soon as the group formed, within minutes, surrounded them on all sides and arrested every single one of them.
01:00:59.000So this is Antifa getting arrested essentially because Black Lives Matter tipped them off.
01:01:04.000I wonder if the real problem in this country is the far-left provocateurs and extremists who are attacking Trump supporters, conservatives, who are essentially acting with impunity when these DAs just cut them loose across the country.
01:01:18.000And we've seen numerous videos where Black Lives Matter activists call them out.
01:01:22.000There was one where some black women were yelling at some white Antifa women who were spray painting.
01:01:27.000And then you have these white women saying, oh no, we're doing it for you.
01:01:29.000But they're damaging, you know, the black community.
01:01:32.000I guess I bring all this up because following the story, I'm curious what your thoughts are on Black Lives Matter, especially in this context and with Antifa.
01:01:40.000There is some overlap between the riots with Black Lives Matter and Antifa as well.
01:01:45.000So I was actually going to make a press release before I came on the show last week about this.
01:01:51.000I haven't spoken about this and this is actually the first time I'm going to speak about this, but our Salt Lake chapter has been in talks, right?
01:02:01.000With trying to make amends with certain groups and Jakari met with Thad and they had private conversations and he called me and he's like, I'm doing this and this is something that I think is important.
01:02:16.000We're clashing a lot, but I think we could make amends somehow.
01:02:23.000So after our 26th rally, I actually took some time out of our festivities that night to meet with Jakari.
01:02:31.000And it started out as a very volatile situation where we didn't agree with each other at all, but there was something in common that we had.
01:02:39.000And before I say that, I think the BLM movement, right, the premise that it was started on, on police brutality, I think it's something that everybody should vibe with.
01:02:51.000I think police brutality is bad, period.
01:02:55.000It's not something that our group focuses on as much, but we respect that other groups are focused on that.
01:03:04.000But there is some overlapping things that both groups have, right?
01:03:10.000Two of our tenants, which should be, I feel like they should be conservative values, but usually they're not portrayed that way, is the closure of private prisons.
01:03:19.000I was in prison for some time for a white collar crime.
01:03:23.000I deserved all 10 months of what I got.
01:03:26.000And another thing is the failed drug war.
01:03:29.000And we, both groups, at least at that point, we could disagree on everything else.
01:04:15.000There's something wrong with the judicial system in this country.
01:04:17.000And our guys, I feel strongly that our guys in New York got the short end of the shaft there.
01:04:23.000And it's because of that broken system.
01:04:25.000So our next phase is working together on getting some type of something passed through the legislator on something that we disagree on.
01:04:33.000And that's imagine as a legislator, even like a freshman legislator, you got the Proud Boys and BLM walk in and they come together and they want to present something that is either anti-drug war or towards private prisons, something that's pro-liberty.
01:04:52.000So that's why we met and we feel like bridging that gap is important when needed.
01:04:59.000And their movement has also been co-opted by anarcho-communists that aren't there for George Floyd, that aren't there for Breonna Taylor, that aren't there for any of those.
01:05:11.000They're just there to crash this system.
01:06:14.000But there's a group of people in this country, former liberals, politically homeless, who have absolutely no problem saying white supremacy is horrifying, evil, wrong, should be denounced totally, beyond totally, just get rid of all of it.
01:06:26.000And Antifa is bad too, because they're violent authoritarians who go around burning down people's buildings.
01:06:31.000Why is it so difficult for people on the left who are voting against Trump to denounce Antifa?
01:06:58.000I mean, the two biggest things that were going on in the country this past year, besides all the craziness that 2020 has brought, is COVID and riots, right?
01:07:09.000And Democrats, imagine you're a business owner.
01:07:13.000I've been a small business owner my entire life.
01:07:17.000Imagine that you get shut down for three months while Walmart, Amazon, all these major corporations are making billions and your little coffee shop gets shut down and you're in the middle of Portland.
01:07:34.000I love coming back to Portland because it's like the epicenter of this.
01:07:38.000And they go ahead and they shut you down.
01:09:19.000I think anybody who's willing to use violence to get what they want is an authoritarian who will retain that use of that power because they never feel they won.
01:09:25.000That's like a common theme with these people.
01:09:28.000They're like, if only I can just win, then I'll make everything right.
01:09:31.000They use violence, they win, and they say, well, we're not done with the mission yet.
01:09:33.000We've got to... And so they do these things.
01:09:36.000But one thing I've said often is that I don't like calling the rioters Antifa because they're flying Black Lives Matter flags.
01:09:42.000Now, you've mentioned they've co-opted it.
01:09:44.000But then they do attract a lot of people who are not communists, who are just racial justice activists, who fly the flag of Black Lives Matter for Black Lives Matter, but they've been radicalized or brought in by, you know, revolutionary communist types.
01:10:26.000They hit the highest mall that they had there, and they pulled out a whole bunch of Gucci bags and Jordans.
01:10:33.000And I don't know how that honors... You're out there for George Floyd and racial justice.
01:10:40.000I mean, how does that even begin to honor the system?
01:10:44.000As a matter of fact, they're making it worse.
01:10:46.000The defund the police thing, they're making it worse.
01:10:49.000It's like they're training them To to to quell protests like they're they're basically they're giving them free training to do this and just imagine now here's here's another thing you could imagine so imagine you're a Portland police officer you're sitting there with like a hundred pounds of gear on you right you got no days off
01:11:09.000Like, today's a riot, so you can't take the day off, and your buddies are lined up, and these people, this green-haired whale is like screaming at you, right?
01:11:18.000And some other dude's like throwing water at you, and pointing lasers in your eyes, and then your buddy next to you, he gets hit with a Molotov cocktail, which almost happened.
01:12:29.000So long as the far left keeps going out smashing windows with impunity, the American people are going to keep asking for more law and order, more powers for the police, more powers for the federal government.
01:12:40.000And we're trying to get to a point where we have, you know, Officer Friendly back.
01:12:44.000We don't want, we don't want, I don't want cops to feel like they're going to get shot.
01:12:46.000I don't want them to feel like they need an armored vehicle, but it's gotten to that point because the far left escalates, goes crazy.
01:12:53.000And so I had an interesting conversation actually on this show with some of the super chats saying, you know, how would you envision demilitarization?
01:13:00.000What, what weapons do they use are militarized?
01:13:02.000And I think the issue is just this, uh... You know, as I said, you've got these officers, they wear this full-on tactical armor, often they're, you know, it's camo gear, so it looks like they're in the army, they've got rifles, or it looks like they're in some kind of combat situation.
01:13:15.000They have armored vehicles they ride around on, and it doesn't look like officer-friendly.
01:13:19.000And the response I got was, if Antifa is shooting people, if they're throwing molotovs, if they're throwing bricks, and riders are doing this, don't the officers need to protect themselves?
01:14:49.000I do believe that we've got police culture problems, because I've personally experienced an officer lying under oath to try and falsely convict somebody.
01:14:59.000Thankfully, I had footage proving the cop lied.
01:15:02.000There was no penalty for the cop who lied.
01:15:06.000I think we need to make sure we get justice when police commit crimes like perjury or literal crimes, murder or otherwise.
01:15:12.000And I think cops need to be better funded, better trained, and we need... I like the idea of some kind of social worker that the defund the police people have brought up, but they're going in the wrong direction with it.
01:15:22.000They're saying, defund the police, take that money and hire social workers.
01:15:33.000Send a social worker with them for certain situations, and that social worker can deal with certain issues because we have seen positive results.
01:15:40.000But taking money away from the police just makes everything more tense, more dangerous, increases anxiety.
01:15:45.000You end up in New York where you've got a billion dollars slashed off the NYPD budget, murder skyrocketing, shootings, lethal crime.
01:17:13.000He said he's essentially, you know, giving you the green light to go, you know, smash people up or something like that.
01:17:18.000So Joe has been known to be somebody that says things.
01:17:22.000He got banned for saying, like, death to Antifa.
01:17:24.000And he's a two-time Purple Heart recipient.
01:17:27.000It doesn't mean that he could say things, but he's a firebrand.
01:17:35.000When you said, actually before I get into that, when you said that quote, what news outlet was that from that quoted the president on saying the denounce thing?
01:18:43.000We've always been who we are, unapologetic about it.
01:18:48.000And I think that should not change my standing.
01:18:53.000It shouldn't change how I feel about somebody or his policy.
01:18:57.000I didn't feel, there's a lot of times that I disagreed with the president.
01:18:59.000I disagreed with the president on bump stocks.
01:19:01.000I disagreed with the president with the Dakota Access Pipeline.
01:19:04.000I disagreed with the president on numerous things.
01:19:06.000And just because I disagree with him here, because I don't think he has all the facts or had all the facts when he said that, when he said he denounced us, it doesn't change my support for not only the president, but my values as a whole.
01:19:49.000We don't hold the president on a pedestal.
01:19:52.000I've been supporting the president since day one, but that doesn't mean that we hold like one person as an authoritarian figure here.
01:19:59.000This whole thing is an entire movement with different facets.
01:20:02.000So when the president said, let's go back now, let's go back to the debate, the actual debate, that the fact that we got mentioned at the first debate for us was exciting.
01:20:43.000It took a little while for me for like the, the adrenaline to rush off to really make, uh, For me to become objective and say, well, this isn't the president.
01:20:56.000This isn't an endorsement of the Proud Boys by the president.
01:21:05.000And when Biden stuck his nose in and said Proud Boys, the president said, and he was actually answering part of Chris Wallace's question, which was tell these groups to stand down.
01:21:16.000I don't know why Chris Wallace thought that this guy is like the president of white supremacy and militias, but he was, I think it was also a part of a gaffe that the president had at the time and he said, stand back, stand by.
01:21:29.000Now, I want to break that down, the stand back part, the stand back, like you said, and I agree with you, we should stand back and let the police do their job, right?
01:22:02.000Like, like worse, like some type of, like the media picked it up, like we're some type of militia or, um, like we're, we're waiting and they took it because it was, it was, he's, he's, I guess they said that he refused to say if he would accept the election results.
01:22:17.000And they think that we're like, A force that's ready to pounce right when that happens.
01:22:22.000Can I just point out the absurdity having seen Proud Boys and having seen say like the Oath Keepers or Three Percenters or like, you know, actual militias, or at least, you know, militia type individuals.
01:22:33.000The absurdity of, you know, when you see groups like the Oath Keepers or Three Percenters, they're wearing armor, they've got tactical gear, they've got rifles, and the Proud Boys are wearing those, you know, Fred Perry or whatever it is.
01:22:47.000And they're, you know, this is what I often say is, there's a lot of things, the Proud Boys are a lot of things, you can criticize them for a lot of things, but if the Proud Boys say they're having a rally and they have their rally and Antifa doesn't show up, then the Proud Boys get drunk and they go home and nothing happens.
01:23:01.000If Antifa shows up, then fights, and it's usually Antifa coming.
01:23:05.000And that's why, that's where the earlier criticism came in with, like, if you go to Antifa's place to hold a rally.
01:23:10.000But I want to ask you, what's your stance on Dakota Access Pipeline?
01:23:15.000Um, I disagreed with them because I believe that, and I think I even disagree with people that were for, uh, against the Dakota access pipeline.
01:23:25.000Also, I think personally for as an individual liberty, I don't think that a pipeline, they should take away property from, I don't, I don't care if they were, uh, indigenous people.
01:23:37.000I don't care where they were from to me that they were Americans.
01:23:41.000And they were, they were taking away property from Americans to basically give it to a corporation is really what it was.
01:23:47.000And to me that that was completely wrong and that shouldn't have happened.
01:25:32.000And then he called me a white supremacist.
01:25:35.000So to him, to him, look, I give him the benefit of the doubt.
01:25:38.000To him, it makes sense in his world because I am not black.
01:25:42.000I just can't, you know, uh, I don't want to say the guy's name, but there's a very high profile left-wing activist who is like a Black Lives Matter activist who's not actually black, but he says he is.
01:25:56.000And so I tweeted, everyone's like hitting me up, they're like, did you see this dude's got a million followers?
01:26:00.000He said Tim Pool is a white supremacist, and I was like, the dude's whiter than I am.
01:26:04.000So I just tweeted, you know, the dude's whiter than me.
01:26:06.000It's the weirdest thing, I can't stand it.
01:26:08.000I grew up living in this world where, you know, I was told we won that fight, race didn't matter.
01:26:16.000The civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr., all that good stuff, discrimination, it was illegal, it still exists, racism's still a problem, but we've won that fight, and now we have the law on our side.
01:26:25.000I grew up with people of a bunch of different racial backgrounds.
01:26:29.000One kid was from Poland, he was an immigrant.
01:26:31.000One kid, you know, Hispanic, spoke Spanish.
01:26:33.000We had some Asian immigrants, we had some people who were various mixed race, and it never occurred to us.
01:26:38.000We did have one kid who would call everybody by their racial slur, but it was like a South Park era thing, you know?
01:26:45.000And so to us it was actually kind of funny because we were all equally insulted.
01:26:50.000But I grew up thinking, like, none of this actually matters, and that took that power away.
01:26:54.000And it wasn't until we started seeing the rise of this left, the identitarian, the intersectional leftists, where all of a sudden now, you have to explain what your race is, you have white people claiming they're black and then insulting non-white people as white supremacists.
01:27:10.000You've got white people calling Candace Owens a black woman, a white supremacist, calling a Jewish man Ben Shapiro a Nazi.
01:27:16.000It's just, nothing seems to make sense anymore.
01:27:19.000And I don't know what their goal is in this, but to throw it back to Joe Biden.
01:27:23.000Like he said, you know, if you don't vote for him, you ain't black.
01:27:26.000And then he said, you are a white supremacist.
01:27:28.000I think when people become Puritans, right?
01:27:43.000So they've become, and now in 2020, they've become such Puritans that they're infighting, like you said, like these BLM groups are ratting out the Antifa groups because they've made this like ecosystem of like perfection.
01:27:55.000And a perfect example is there's a researcher that researches Proud Boys.
01:28:04.000She's done all this CV paperwork and all this research on the Proud Boys and how we're fascists and stuff like that.
01:28:11.000And then come to find out that in her application for school, she put she's African American and got a scholarship or something from there.
01:28:21.000And when her friends found out and then she had been telling everybody that she's Italian, Sicilian, right?
01:29:35.000But he specifically calls out cancel culture, and then got offensive with his comedy.
01:29:39.000He did it perfectly to where he wasn't directly targeting the group, but he kind of was poking fun at certain groups, and then started calling for his cancellation.
01:30:37.000I work with Project Veritas and we uncovered that Chase Bank I deleted my account because, and I was doing business with them even before they were Chase Bank.
01:30:47.000I got leaked an email from somebody who worked at the bank that they terminated, so I gotta be careful here, it's been a while since I covered this story, but I was sent a bunch of private information, I released only a little bit of it, and it seemed to me that they had banned you out of a fear of bad public relations, bad PR.
01:31:08.000They make a PR nightmare for these big companies.
01:31:10.000They get like on their Twitter and they hammer their Twitter until and they probably don't want to cancel me but they're like we don't want the PR nightmare in there.
01:31:28.000Right, which is normal because MailChimp does ban conservatives all the time from sending emails But there was I had a very unique situation So I was thinking about getting MailChimp so I added their extension their website extension to my website, right?
01:31:45.000So, I never got around to creating an account.
01:32:40.000Well, I'm working on a couple of, I'm working on a couple of things right now.
01:32:45.000MailChimp is probably there, but it's at the bottom of the barrel when we're thinking about things, but we're going to, I'm going to go after, we and I are going to go after all these corporations.
01:32:57.000You can't, You can't donate to the Proud Boys.
01:33:02.000You can't just go to our website and be like, oh, I want to give them $100.
01:33:05.000We're pretty much, I think that we're going to keep it that way for a very long time.
01:33:47.000Well, you you can't donate to Proud Boys, but we sell merchandise through 1776.shop and that's like the only way that you could but you can't like directly donate you can't like that money goes nowhere.
01:34:03.000I actually printed this shirt because I was to get on this podcast and But yeah, I'll have that on there too as of tomorrow but I One of our main tenets is glorify the entrepreneur.
01:34:21.000And we believe that if we're going to get money out of something, we're going to sell something.
01:35:04.000I joined because I was already that person and I felt like I needed to strengthen and I think iron sharpens iron.
01:35:10.000I learned a lot from just hanging around the guys at the bar.
01:35:13.000So here's my last question before we go to Super Chats.
01:35:17.000With Gavin's history of bombastic, threatening, or offensive things he's said, and he's gone way over the line.
01:35:25.000And with the history of the Proud Boys and the early on mistakes, why keep using the name that's been smeared and tainted and has this past in these associations?
01:36:52.000The only way that you can that this thing can die is if we suck the oxygen out of the room All right, and we take out all the fun that it has We have fun with each other and I don't see that dying off anytime soon.
01:37:05.000I was thinking it's kind of like an example of Brotherhood is one way you put it, but like giving men meaning, it doesn't have to be men really, but giving people meaning.
01:37:13.000In today's culture, you were talking earlier about how great it would be if you could highlight the conversations that people have across the aisle, like at a rally when the people from Antifa speak with the people from Proud Boys and they communicate.
01:37:26.000Like Jordan Peterson had a great viral video where he was communicating with students that disagreed with them and they were yelling and he was just calmly communicating for 10 minutes.
01:37:34.000And he also is focused on giving people meaning.
01:37:38.000So I see this kind of this through line of, and I think that Antifa, those people are finding meaning in what they're doing.
01:37:45.000And that we're lacking that in culture these days.
01:37:49.000I don't know why, maybe too much social media, but why there's, why meaning has gone astray for young people or for, for even adults maybe.
01:37:56.000And that this is a type of thing that gives people meaning.
01:37:59.000Well, so I'm gonna tell you, I think, I don't think Gavin, I think in the literal sense he founded the Proud Boys, but I think he actually found the Proud Boys.
01:38:09.000And what I mean by that is, to him it was a joke.
01:38:11.000I mean, I saw when he went on Rogan and he said it was just some stupid thing from a musical and he was making fun of like, oh yeah, you can be a Proud Boy too.
01:38:18.000But I think what he did was he lit the torch for some kind of fraternity.
01:38:24.000Young men, no core group, no ideology, no mission, no purpose.
01:38:29.000And so in a way, there's a similarity between that and say Antifa in that I believe Antifa is the left's version of this.
01:38:36.000That you have a bunch of people with no purpose, student debt, no mission, no goal in life, they have no idea what they're doing.
01:38:42.000And so they're indoctrinated into extremist communism, you know, revolution, destruction, rage, violence.
01:38:49.000And then Gavin gave space to a bunch of young men to punch each other while they make breakfast cereals and getting drunk.
01:38:55.000And that's all a lot of these dudes wanted was just hang out, feel masculine and, you know, crack jokes and just not have to worry too much.
01:39:03.000So I feel like whatever it is you guys represent could have been something else.
01:39:08.000It could have been called something else.
01:39:09.000It could have been founded by somebody else.
01:39:11.000And Gavin just happened to be there at the right time.
01:39:13.000And that actually ultimately leads to a lot of the, you know, the ease.
01:39:18.000Very obvious things that are critiqued and denounced and denied and things like that in the media.
01:39:23.000But that's why I asked like, you know, why not do something different?
01:39:26.000I understand your answer, but just to, you know, make my point is, You've got a group of men who you say don't want fascism, don't want authoritarianism.
01:39:45.000But the thing is, we feel like celebrating stuff is what it started, right?
01:39:57.000Uh, and the name is actually, it's a good conversation starter.
01:40:01.000You know, like imagine he thought of like this really gnarly name, like the, the patriots of, of, of death, you know, or some, I don't know, I don't know what a cool name would be, but like, it's a converse, it's a cool conversation starter and it isn't about the name.
01:41:24.000I think whatever we get in history in the future, it's going to be real weird because the media is so broken.
01:41:32.000I think Wikipedia is the easiest example of how the media's fracturing and dissolution, I guess, is going to affect how we keep record of historical events.
01:41:44.000You have on Wikipedia, they will use any blog by a 22 year old intern who wrote some nonsense with no sources and they'll
01:42:01.000Yeah, they have scientific and academic journals.
01:42:03.000But now we're getting to a point where the pages don't even link together properly, because one definition on one page is a leftist one versus a right-wing one, and it's all breaking apart, as we have these, like, two different worldviews now, you know, coming into focus.
01:42:16.000The leftist worldview, 1619 Project, and then the traditional American historical worldview.
01:42:24.000And so when those two different groups are writing articles on Wikipedia, it makes no sense.
01:42:28.000So, you know, ultimately what ends up happening is you'll get, you know, Vox.com, a progressive outlet, will hire some college kid who, you know, a better example would be the Daily Beast.
01:42:40.000The Daily Beast is a couple of writers that have straight up made things up.
01:42:48.000And I've actually reached out to them for comment and they just ignore it.
01:42:51.000So if you've got these news outlets writing fake news, garbage, and straight up saying, do not do an interview with the Proud Boys, then what is the record of history going to be if they specifically avoid figuring out who people are, what they believe, and what they're doing?
01:43:52.000And from other technological services.
01:43:56.000There's conversations about how we, uh, we're going to be moving towards in the future, a carless society where individuals don't own cars.
01:44:04.000Cars are self-driving and you have an app where you will say, here's where I need to go.
01:44:07.000And the car will come to your house and you'll get in and it'll drive itself.
01:44:12.000We have a service where a driver can come and pick you up.
01:44:15.000Yeah, so if you get banned from all these services, and they're all private, then it's only a matter of time before you're locked out, as it were.
01:44:25.000So, human rights, transportation, finance?
01:44:29.000Access to the internet and the use of its services.
01:44:32.000If you're banned from, you know, a bunch of these services, And they eventually become the only way to do things, then you're out.
01:45:00.000You know, and that's funny, too, because I had a lot of people saying, like, you know, they're coming after you, they're starting to notice, because I got, I think, like 110 million views in the past month or something.
01:45:11.000And I just laughed, because, like, it's weird to me how the media machine works.
01:45:16.000There's nothing about me that's strong enough for them to actually enrage people with.
01:45:22.000So it's like, they can't do anything even though they want to.
01:45:43.000Yeah, we should be overseeing what corporations, just since Vanderbilt with his railroads choking New York City, cutting off the transportation in New York City and starving the city, showing what one man can do with his company.
01:45:55.000It's the same thing with Zuckerberg, Mark, you hear me, and Facebook.
01:46:53.000Right now, those that believe in freedom and, uh, liberty, the commons, the right of the individuals within the greater system, of course, uh, are losing.
01:47:05.000Donald Trump is got a lot of problems, but, uh, for what it's worth, he's the last, you know, we're all hanging from his feet as he's holding on by the fingertips.
01:47:16.000If he loses and Joe Biden gets in, and Joe Biden is- I'll be in prison.
01:47:24.000Because Joe Biden will come and lock you up?
01:47:26.000I think that they've made this public enemy number one thing, and they'll, I don't know, they'll, look, Roger Stone, I said, no, they're not going to pick him up.
01:47:36.000And then after a little while, I was like, all right, they'll find something to pick him up on.
01:47:39.000The things that we've learned about from Obamagate should shock anyone who's read anything about it.
01:47:44.000The latest revelations that Obama was briefed on intelligence that suggests Hillary Clinton may have fabricated the entire Russia hoax that cost our country millions of dollars, that the Mueller investigative team, I think they wiped, what was it, like 30 phones or something?
01:48:04.000That these things are happening in this country at a time when massive multinational corporations are silencing the right of American citizens to speak.
01:48:11.000And I'll tell you what's really crazy.
01:48:13.000Right now on Reddit, I can go on Reddit, an American website, and go to their politics tab.
01:48:18.000And when I click one of these comment sections on one of their stories, I will see the little Australian flag next to the commentator, number one, saying Trump is bad.
01:48:27.000That person has more of a say in our politics than you do, an American citizen.
01:48:31.000That's what these major corporations are doing, and this needs to be regulated.
01:48:35.000Now, of course, I argue with conservatives all the time because they say no.
01:49:02.000With my t-shirts, let's say, and this is a complete fabrication of prices, but let's say me and Amazon were to pay the same exact money, $10 for this shirt, and we were to sell it for $20.
01:49:14.000So, we have $10 left, but we have to ship the shirt to the customer.
01:49:19.000Well, I pay $3.50 to ship this shirt through the United States Postal Service, which is a government entity.
01:49:26.000Do you know how much Amazon pays to ship the same shirt through the USPS system?
01:49:48.000Amazon's stock price is skyrocketing because they're the only business that can get you what you need because all the stores are shut down.
01:50:27.000You know, this is what really bugs me about the current state of politics is when we complain about massive multi-billion dollar corporations stealing our rights and the feckless politicians who are beholden to them because they want access to donations or because it's just easier, that's the problem we're facing.
01:50:43.000And you end up with a left that was supposed to oppose massive and rampant corporate abuses Completely agreeing with it.
01:51:08.000Take the opportunity and do something to crush this crony corporate system that's been in power for too long, that's driving us off a cliff.
01:51:17.000Otherwise, we're all gonna be, you know, like, it's gonna be like Wall-E.
01:51:21.000We're gonna be sitting in those chairs, morbidly obese, watching ridiculous reality TV, and that's what they want.
01:51:27.000But we're also gonna be giving up ridiculous amounts of control, which we already have done, to the likes of Facebook.
01:51:32.000I'll tell you how one way we can fix the situation, in my opinion, is to free the software code of large social networks.
01:51:40.000If once a network starts getting 100 million people a day, just throwing a random number out there, but some some large number of traffic per day, their software code becomes free.
01:51:48.000So anyone can pick it up and create a carbon copy of that website, interlinking websites with their own terms of service.
01:51:54.000So if you wanted to join the Facebook too, if that terms fit you, then you could be on there.
01:52:00.000You're not talking about freeing up software code, you're talking about federated internet.
01:52:03.000It would federate the internet in a way, but we would use the government to free the code.
01:52:08.000We'd still let the private companies function as private companies.
01:52:14.000All we need is for our existing antitrust laws to be enforced and for these companies to be shattered.
01:52:19.000Well, I don't want... No, because then Zuckerberg will just make six new private companies with the same code that no one else gets access to.
01:54:14.000It's, you know, if you want to follow certain people that you can't follow on Twitter, you go to Parler.
01:54:18.000If Donald Trump moved over, maybe he could make a difference.
01:54:21.000But for some reason, Trump isn't doing any of that.
01:54:23.000Changing the narrative, changing the conversation.
01:54:25.000If Trump came out right now and said, from now on, I will be using Minds.com for all of my posts, he would force all of the major news organizations to switch over, and it would dramatically shift the power structure in big tech.
01:54:36.000He'd like tweet links to his parlor posts, like with no preview.
01:55:38.000But you mean like when they own your data, like when you went to the bathroom and like, Yeah, like Cambridge Analytica using this crap to...
01:58:43.000So a hardship that I had to endure, I had $35 in my pocket.
01:58:48.000I was in Miami, Hurricane Harvey was coming and it was, it already made landfall and I'm like, I want to go to over there and I want to help people and they didn't have the money.
01:58:58.000So I started to go fund me for a thousand bucks cause that's really all I needed.
01:59:01.000I got $2,000 I packed up the truck with water.
01:59:05.000I put up my aluminum boat and a motor and uh, I drove up with two proud boys into Harvey and were there for five days sleeping on the asphalt.
01:59:15.000We did, uh, 300 plus direct water rescues with the Coast Guard and the Cajun Navy.
02:00:37.000So there's a lot of ways that people misconstrue the 4th degree, but yes, I got, in Portland I have a video of it, and they threw an explosive at me and it had shrapnel in my arm and leg like it was a freaking war zone.
02:00:51.000I mean, to be honest... And the guys pulled it out with vodka and tweezers.
02:00:55.000It does sound like you guys just, you know, made some changes when you got some criticism.
02:01:01.000No, actually we needed to expand on a lot of those things because it was a lot of internal things that weren't clear.
02:01:06.000I think when your organization is started by Gavin as kind of a joke, it's probably going to happen.
02:01:17.000You can't tell sometimes, and I think Joe Rogan said this, you can't tell when he's serious or when he's playing most of the time, but knowing him personally, I can tell you most of the time he is joking.
02:01:27.000And most of the times he's a very loving father, so much so that I don't think I've called Gavin in the past three weeks where he hasn't been in his kid's softball game screaming at his coach.
02:01:39.000So, um, but, but Gavin, like Richard, let's, let's just go with like Richard Pryor, you know, like his crude jokes, um, Willie Nelson, uh, their crude jokes, like all those people can be misconstrued as like racist or, uh, uh, At times violent, you know, we see people say like vocabulary is violent right now, but he's generally a really good person.
02:02:06.000He's generally a really good dude and he's been crapped on for such a long time and he's, he's paid for it.
02:02:13.000He's paid for his views and I paid for my views and I'm completely happy.
02:02:18.000I can't tell you, I can't tell you that I'm living worse than I was before.
02:03:26.000But I mean, this was someone I sent down specifically to gather news for me saying we saw him go on stage and directly say, you know, get violent.
02:03:48.000I'll re-watch it and I'll... And if your show continues, which one day you'll probably know.
02:03:56.000I'll come back on and we'll look at address that.
02:03:58.000It's pretty, I think it's impressive that you took some of like the unclear violent rhetoric and created like a legitimate, you know, request, like instead of get into a fight defensively, it's now endure hardship.
02:04:40.000I got a question for you, but I do want to point something out.
02:04:42.000I think a lot of people don't understand the point of me trying to ask you critical questions or serious questions.
02:04:51.000This is just so that you can answer for the things that you've been accused of, or it's your opportunity to say, here's what they said about me.
02:05:18.000I just personally don't like, I say no to them.
02:05:22.000You know, and I came on this show because I knew that we had our differences.
02:05:26.000I know from watching your videos, not personally, because me and you have never really met personally.
02:05:31.000But I knew that you were going to ask these tough questions.
02:05:33.000I knew you were going to bring up these questions.
02:05:35.000And I like, I like getting asked these things because I can't dispel, like, myths.
02:05:41.000I want to... I'd rather be hated for honest reasons, right, and the group as a whole be hated for honest reasons, than what somebody's telling them to hate us for.
02:05:53.000But I already know what's going to happen.
02:05:55.000I mean, people on the right saying, that was unfair, how could you say those things?
02:05:58.000People on the left saying, you're just pretending to go at them.
02:06:00.000Because I'm willing to ask any question to anybody.
02:06:03.000You know, if someone said, like, here's a thing that's happened, here's proof, I got no problem bringing it up.
02:06:08.000I could be wrong about the Gavin thing at DC.
02:06:10.000That was someone I had on the ground who said, here's, you know, basically what went down.
02:06:14.000So I think one criticism I'll probably get from the left is that I should have pulled up more videos and had more direct, you know, hard content, but we don't, and that's just the way it is.
02:06:24.000Well, before you do that, I want to tell you one of the most difficult questions, the most difficult things to, like, answer to, and Gavin's going to hate me for this.
02:06:35.000But I can be having an intellectual like discussion with somebody with like facts or where I pull the videos out and they show them the graphs and I'm in there and then the worst thing that Gavin ever did to the Proud Boys is put a butt plug in his butt on live TV.
02:06:53.000And there's no intellectual thing that I can tell somebody that could make me win that argument anymore.
02:08:25.000Newsweek picked it up and they're like, now the UK Proud Boys are shipping black and yellow Fred Perry's to the States for their friends.
02:08:32.000And then Fred Perry did get called by Newsweek and he was quoted in the article.
02:08:40.000But it's amazing that we're able just just by like a small post on telegram because that came from a post on telegram from a small post on telegram it It made a national news outlet like run a story And made this giant corporation answer to it But on a serious level what we're thinking about doing is the black is especially for us Floridians the black and yellow Fred Perry That's another thing that Gavin screwed up on the black and yellow Fred Perry is so hot So we might we might add in a couple of new colors from the Fred Perry line It doesn't matter if he likes us or not.
02:09:17.000We'll keep giving him money, you know, it's fair But we might we might pick up a very popular, you know lighter colored Fred Perry and start adding it in at least to the southern states Yeah So a lot of the comments, lots of chats are just people saying, you know, great to have you on there.
02:09:33.000You know, I think it's good that we're having conversations because, you know, obviously the media is not going to do a long form sit down.
02:09:39.000Ethan Johnson says, I'm sorry, Johansson.
02:09:41.000PSA, as it is National Farmers Day, it's harvest in the heartland.
02:09:45.000To all of you that have recently moved from population centers to rural areas, be aware that farm equipment is big and slow, 15 to 30 miles an hour.
02:10:57.000So Godwin's Law is the more me and you argue, the higher the chances that one of us is going to use a reference to Nazi Germany on each other.
02:11:07.000So then, you know, the lighter version of that, the light version of Nazi is white supremacy.
02:11:13.000And you said that there is a lot of scary groups.
02:11:24.000I haven't seen, besides in Charlottesville, that I did see some.
02:11:31.000I haven't seen like a scary like white supremacist Nazi dude except when I was in prison when like a real white supremacist like the Aryan Brotherhood is there because they'll stab you in the neck and these Antifa guys they want to dox like white supremacists.
02:11:48.000I'll tell you why they haven't doxed the Aryan Brotherhood because they're gonna get stabbed in the neck if they do.
02:11:54.000You know, when you dox a Proud Boy, we're like, here, perfect example.
02:11:58.000We're like, all right, you know what we're going to do after getting doxed so much?
02:12:01.000We're going to, we're going to find their addresses and we're going to, we're going to, yeah, let's do it.
02:12:06.000And we, we go like that and we pull up all the information, all their addresses and we sit there together and we're like, all right, what are we going to do with this?
02:12:23.000Yeah, one of our guys got pissed off at Vic Berger and knocked on his house and asked him to not do that anymore.
02:12:32.000Hey, uh, Vic, can you stop doing this, please?
02:12:34.000And Vic, like, blew his lid, but, like, there's nothing that we can do.
02:12:40.000We've never, you'll never find us go to a house and, like, break a window.
02:12:44.000He definitely should not have gone to Vic Berger's house.
02:12:46.000He shouldn't have gone to Vic Berger's house, but regardless, the thing is, yes, but, like, if you're knocking on somebody's door, it's very old school to do that, but you're not, he is an older, older gentleman.
02:12:58.000but you knock on somebody's door and you're you ask for sugar you're like hey can you turn the music down and that's basically what the conversation was um but we've never been one to like okay let's go to somebody's house and like let's uh Let's slash their tires.
02:14:18.000I wouldn't say that I think the end is nigh, but I think the stuff we've seen from Obamagate, the Russiagate hoax stuff, suggests that we are in very serious trouble in terms of how our country is being run.
02:14:31.000For too long, the American population has sat back, happy, to just watch their sports and order their pizzas, have their beer, and ignore what was going on in politics.
02:14:40.000to the point where we actually had a trans satanist anarchist win a republican primary because americans don't know who they're voting for they just attention down ballot all the r's given to me that's what we've been doing for decades and it's ended up with show hearings like today's hearing with amy coney barrett was garbage it was just a bunch of people grandstanding it met did nothing you know what the hearing's supposed to be is my understanding when you have a supreme court I see here you spent X many years at Notre Dame as a professor.
02:15:08.000Tell me a little bit about that experience and how it will play into being a Supreme Court Justice the American people would like to know.
02:15:14.000I see here that you're an originalist in the Constitution and with a specialty in stare decisis.
02:15:19.000What does this mean for the American people?
02:15:21.000Do you believe this means you are qualified?
02:16:46.000And the Democrats don't really have much of anybody right now.
02:16:49.000And the Republicans themselves are pretty, you know... No, but I'm saying the people.
02:16:56.000I think the people need to get up and go vote.
02:16:59.000There's something happening right now that the Democrats made a big mistake on, and it was betting on mail-in voting.
02:17:05.000Because mail-in voting has a higher margin of failure than in-person voting.
02:17:09.000That means Republicans, convinced there's a real threat, are going to go in person, and the Democrats, terrified of COVID, are going to vote by mail and have a higher rate of failure for their votes.
02:17:18.000giving Donald Trump a major advantage. This could mean, considering, I was reading an Atlantic
02:17:23.000article that said 50% of Biden's voters are expected to vote by mail. With that margin of
02:17:29.000failure, the polls could be correct that Joe Biden is leading. But once we get this massive
02:17:34.000failure rate of mail-in votes, Trump wins. Might not matter.
02:17:50.000And the reason why I say that cause a big question from the media was, Oh, uh, are you guys ready to stand by if, uh, the election results don't go in your favor?
02:17:59.000I go, I've protested the election results almost every year.
02:18:02.000So, Isaac Hillstrom says he didn't answer the question of where these accusations originated in terms of white supremacy.
02:18:49.000And they actually hate us because they feel like we're becoming their voice in this whole thing.
02:18:55.000Like, they're always going to hate Antifa, right?
02:18:59.000But they hate us more because they feel like we're watering down their, and I'm just speaking from their eyes, we're watering down their thing.
02:19:07.000And I've gotten death threats from them before, right?
02:19:10.000Their death threats are actually a lot worse than the death threats from Antifa.
02:19:15.000Which I got a very, very, very serious one on Friday before on the 25th before the event.
02:19:21.000So much so that the FBI took it as a very serious thing.
02:19:24.000And they had somebody close to me the entire time that I was there.
02:19:34.000So we have, and specifically in the event in DC, the Demand Free Speech event, we had somebody, some dude that's a Nazi-loving dude.
02:19:46.000So what I usually do is I work with police first, and he came in there to agitate the situation.
02:19:51.000He was blaming the Jews for everything.
02:19:53.000And first I asked police to escort him out, and I didn't know, like I knew this, but I didn't know, I thought they were able to, like the police were able to bend it.
02:20:03.000And they're like, well, we can't kick him out.
02:21:04.000So it doesn't mean we don't let felons in, but we do do a background check.
02:21:08.000So if you're a wife beater, uh, if you're a pedophile or things like that, which I don't, we've never had a pedophile try to join, but we've had people that have like domestic, uh, abuse things that have come up and we haven't.
02:21:23.000So there's some things that we're a little bit more leaning on and some things that we're not.
02:22:54.000And I think people need to see for themselves and do their own investigation, make their own determinations about what they think about you, me, Ian, anybody in, you know, but, uh, what's your parlor username?
02:23:06.000You could actually either search my name, which is really tough to spell for some people, Enrique Tarrio, or you could, my handle is at noble lead altogether.
02:23:17.000You could go to proud boys, uh, proud boys, USA.com website.
02:23:21.000If you want to just keep up with like some news updates or if somebody did want to join, that's where they joined.
02:23:27.000Another way that you could support me financially and other Proud Boys is you go to 1776.shop and we sell a whole bunch of conservative merchandise.
02:23:35.000And this shirt will be up by tomorrow morning.
02:23:38.000And for the left, we are actually booking some Antifa people.
02:23:42.000And we're actually going to have... Can I be on too?
02:23:46.000Well, you have them on by themselves, but I want to be able... I've never been able in this setting.
02:23:50.000And I think that you'd be doing a really big service to your viewers if you sit me Let's do it.
02:23:58.000I will absolutely reach out to some Antifa people to see if they would want to sit down and have that conversation.
02:24:03.000You know, I think a lot of people are like, Tim's gonna debate this guy.
02:24:23.000But, you know, journalism has to be fearless.
02:24:25.000And as much as the left wants to argue that what we do is not journalism, well, you know, here and there, I think we do a lot of political commentary.