Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - China May Teach Masculinity, REJECT Changing Gender Roles w- China Uncensored

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00:00:40.000 yesterday we were talking about something called Strauss how

00:00:54.000 generational theory And according to that theory, which was developed some time ago, about 25 years, they say that we are in the fourth season, the winter period, where we'll be entering some kind of crisis.

00:01:06.000 On that show, we talked a lot about what that crisis may be, and we should be in the peak of it, so perhaps it's some kind of internal conflict here in the U.S.

00:01:15.000 But there's also something called Thucydides Trap, which suggests we may be looking down the barrel of war with China.

00:01:22.000 Strauss how generational theory could be predicting that maybe the crisis we face is World War three or some kind of large international conflict and that may be China So one of this we have a bunch of different stories pulled up one of which is about China wants to teach young men masculinity Because they're scared about changing gender roles and it's something very different than what we see here.

00:01:42.000 So maybe the crisis we're facing is multifaceted Well, we're gonna talk a lot about China today and what's going on with the Biden administration, what's happening in the South China Sea and Taiwan and Hong Kong, and pineapples apparently getting bought up like crazy because war can be weird.

00:01:58.000 And we're joined today by the crew from China Uncensored.

00:02:01.000 So why don't you guys just introduce yourselves and let everyone know who you are.

00:02:04.000 I'm Chris Chappell, the host of China Uncensored and America Uncovered.

00:02:04.000 Hey, Tim, good to be back.

00:02:08.000 I'm Matt Gnaizda, the producer of those shows.

00:02:13.000 And I'm Shelley Zhang, the humor ninja of those shows.

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00:02:20.000 So we're going to talk just a lot about China, I guess.

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00:02:26.000 And I think it's probably important, too.

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00:03:24.000 Let's talk about this first story.

00:03:26.000 And before we started the show, I asked you guys if you knew a lot about the gender role stuff, the culture war stuff.

00:03:33.000 And then in the context of China, I think it's really, really fascinating what's happening in Southeast Asia in general.

00:03:40.000 Because I think, Shelley, you mentioned like K-pop and stuff and how they're kind of worried about it over there.

00:03:45.000 Let me read a little bit from this article from NBC News and then we'll just we'll talk about it.

00:03:49.000 NBC reports China proposes teaching masculinity to boys as state is alarmed by changing gender roles.

00:03:55.000 Boys in China traditionally are expected to be strong leaders, get good grades and excel at sports, but the gender balance in China is changing.

00:04:03.000 They say they start with this like I hate when journalists do this out with a story.

00:04:07.000 No one invited Bu Yunhao to be in their group for the annual class trip.

00:04:11.000 The other fifth graders at Shanghai Shangdi Experimental School made fun of the 11-year-old, calling him too girly.

00:04:18.000 Quote, I wanted to run away right out of the classroom, said Yunhao, now 13 and a first-year middle schooler in Shanghai.

00:04:25.000 Some of his classmates made fun of his high-pitched voice and the way he screamed when he tried to maintain discipline among his fellow students as a class monitor.

00:04:32.000 Others teased him for spending so much time with the girls and said he acted like he was trying to date the other boys in the class.

00:04:39.000 The bullying eventually stopped, but a recent announcement by the government that singles out boys who don't fit traditional Chinese ideas of masculinity has revived the painful memories.

00:04:49.000 The plan to, quote, encourage masculinity in male students has inflamed a debate over modern gender roles as China's government increasingly emphasizes what many consider to be outdated and damaging stereotypes for men and boys.

00:05:03.000 I think it's interesting because that perspective is wholly American.

00:05:07.000 Like, in America, it's very much... I'm reading the story and it's like, if that happened now, there would be a PSA.

00:05:12.000 They'd bring in bully experts and then say, no, no, no, it's okay that he's effeminate and things like that. 0.70

00:05:17.000 But it also reminds me of that commercial that we saw out of China a while ago where they put the black man in the washing machine and he comes out as Chinese.

00:05:24.000 People in the United States were outraged.

00:05:26.000 How dare you? 0.99

00:05:26.000 You're so racist. 0.99

00:05:27.000 People in China laughed and didn't seem to care at all. 0.96

00:05:29.000 So I wonder what your guys' thought.

00:05:31.000 I don't know whoever wants to jump in about the gender roles in China and what you guys think is happening.

00:05:36.000 Well, one thing that jumps to mind is, you know, back in the Cultural Revolution, it was sort of the opposite, where they were making an effort to, like, completely eliminate any kind of gender.

00:05:45.000 Like, the women had to dress in almost, like, military attire, very baggy, had to have short haircuts. 1.00

00:05:52.000 any kind of display of femininity was not allowed and now...

00:05:58.000 similar now I guess right? well I think the women are allowed to be and 0.99

00:06:02.000 encouraged and that reminds me of the guy who had a was found out to have a hundred

00:06:06.000 mistresses I think he wanted he wanted them to be very feminine still. he got

00:06:12.000 executed by the way.

00:06:14.000 Haskell it quickly.

00:06:15.000 It did.

00:06:15.000 Well, I mean, there's also a lot of corruption, so it wasn't just that.

00:06:19.000 It was also the three metric tons of cash they found in his home.

00:06:22.000 Oh, okay, okay.

00:06:23.000 I thought it was like a guy who was like, I want a bunch of women! 1.00

00:06:25.000 Off with his head! 0.96

00:06:26.000 No, no word on what happened to the women.

00:06:27.000 I believe it, though.

00:06:28.000 Yeah.

00:06:29.000 I don't know where the mistresses are. 1.00

00:06:31.000 But yeah, Shelley, you made a good point about sort of the influence of South Korea on China.

00:06:36.000 Yeah, I think the thing is that with the growing, like, K-pop, K-dramas, like, this whole Korean wave coming, and, like, there has been kind of more, like, the more effeminate kind of male has been, like, the ideal in movies and music and all this stuff, and it's affected China a lot. 0.76

00:06:55.000 and in response the Chinese Communist Party tried to basically have their own like patriotic boy bands and patriotic they love that word yeah and then it's it didn't quite work well but they're trying to like basically use um like Chinese culture to fight this like incoming Korean like popular culture that they didn't like and then you've also got this so like in Chinese the word for like the type of like effeminate like male like these like really pretty young men is called like small soft meat like small tender meat all right so that's so that's become like super hot and then the Chinese Communist Party is like that's not masculine enough meanwhile the Chinese Communist Party is making movies like Wolf Warrior right like they want like the Chinese Rambo

00:07:44.000 It's really weird, though.

00:07:45.000 I mean, they're communists, and then in the United States, the right criticizes all of this stuff by saying those trying to strip away masculinity are communists, right?

00:07:54.000 So we had Jack Murphy on the show recently, and he went on this tirade about Marxism is inherently anti-masculine because they want to get rid of the patriarchy and things like that.

00:08:06.000 But how does that make sense that the Communist Party of China wants strong, burly, masculine men, and they're literally the Communist Party?

00:08:14.000 It's like, well, there are different different tactics to communism.

00:08:19.000 And in a communist country like China, they want a big, fearsome military that intimidates other countries.

00:08:27.000 China is definitely gearing up for the day they invade Taiwan. 0.75

00:08:31.000 They've been very open about wanting to invade Taiwan.

00:08:34.000 They've said this for decades.

00:08:35.000 And so I think this is partially a response to, like, creating an image internationally of, like, this is a fearsome military force that will be able to take Taiwan.

00:08:48.000 Don't mess with it in the South China Sea.

00:08:50.000 But is this have anything to do with what's happening in the U.S.?

00:08:53.000 Are they responding to what's happening here?

00:08:55.000 I know you guys mentioned Korea, right?

00:08:57.000 Isn't a lot of what happens in Korea related to, you know, they want to sell to America.

00:09:02.000 They like the culture that America exports.

00:09:04.000 They try to adopt certain things like that.

00:09:06.000 Like boy bands weren't invented in Korea.

00:09:09.000 Yeah, they... I don't know if they were invented here in America, mind you.

00:09:12.000 Well, K-pop... 0.56

00:09:14.000 They definitely were obviously inspired by the American music industry, but I think they've been fairly unsuccessful at really penetrating the U.S.

00:09:23.000 market outside of, like, BTS or, like, Gangnam Style, which was... But Psy isn't, like, a real... He's not the typical.

00:09:33.000 He's not BTS.

00:09:33.000 Right.

00:09:34.000 He's not as serious. 0.85

00:09:35.000 It's, like, very hokey and silly and, like, he's making fun of it, kind of.

00:09:38.000 Yeah, so I don't know you can say that, like, that Korean style is appealing to the U.S.

00:09:43.000 because it really hasn't done that yet.

00:09:46.000 Even though there's a lot of good K-pop out there. 1.00

00:09:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:47.000 No, but I mean, like, is Korea trying to be like the U.S. 0.93

00:09:50.000 in terms of how pop culture works, right?

00:09:52.000 They're emulating... A lot of countries do this.

00:09:55.000 America has some kind of pop culture phenomenon, and then, you know, they emulate it.

00:09:58.000 I mean, we emulate a bit of the British stuff, too, when we've had various different artists come from the UK.

00:10:02.000 I'm just wondering if China's reaction to this and the things they're doing is countering the United States, right?

00:10:10.000 Like I was saying about the communists thing.

00:10:12.000 Are they looking at the U.S.

00:10:13.000 and being like, we're going to do the opposite of what the U.S.

00:10:15.000 is because the U.S.

00:10:16.000 is bad?

00:10:17.000 Kind of like how tribalism works.

00:10:19.000 I actually think they're kind of trying to do the same thing that the U.S.

00:10:22.000 did, but in, like, the 80s.

00:10:24.000 Like, they want to use, you know, soft power to project, like, the way that, you know, American Blue Jeans or... I brought up Rambo, right? 0.99

00:10:33.000 Like, like U.S.

00:10:35.000 this... or Top Gun, like, these type of, like, um, movies that, like, celebrated, like... They love Top Gun in China.

00:10:41.000 Yes.

00:10:41.000 Like, this kind of...

00:10:42.000 masculinity that that kind of like power like that appeals to the Communist Party because that seems like it's like oh then you have the power to like Wolf Warrior was about you know these Chinese soldiers who went to rescue Chinese citizens who were you know in Africa right so like they were you know the whole idea was like the motherland will never leave you behind like it was this like whole like very patriotic yeah it's like 80s yeah yeah And the whole idea, like, the Communist Party uses the propaganda of the century of humiliation constantly. 0.60

00:11:15.000 The idea that, you know, foreign forces have humiliated the West, and so China needs to be strong.

00:11:20.000 We need to be strong and fight against the hostile foreign forces.

00:11:25.000 What do you think the sentiment among the Chinese people is, though?

00:11:29.000 I mean, it doesn't really sound like the Communist Party is communist.

00:11:32.000 That's a big conversation there.

00:11:34.000 So, you know, there's a lot of elements to communism and a lot of people think,

00:11:38.000 oh, communism is about the government says, here's what products have to be made and who does what

00:11:44.000 jobs. Right. And I think that's that's true. But that's only at, you know, 5 percent of what

00:11:50.000 communism is. You know, ultimately, communism is about power and control for the Communist Party.

00:11:56.000 And so they'll use these ideas of creating a utopia on earth, and you know how it goes.

00:12:03.000 They promise equity, they promise equality, and ultimately some animals are a lot more equal than others.

00:12:10.000 That is the leadership of the party.

00:12:13.000 What we see in China is there's a lot of capitalism going on in the sense you have a lot of private industry now and you have in the last 40 plus years since the reform and opening up started in 1978.

00:12:27.000 Huge explosion in private industries.

00:12:29.000 But the reason China is still completely a communist country is number one, the Communist Party actually controls all those private industries.

00:12:39.000 So you've got, you know, Alibaba, Any company has to have a Communist Party branch in the company that's even funded by a company, and they're involved in big decisions that are happening in the company.

00:12:57.000 In fact, even foreign companies that go into China, like McDonald's, IKEA, they all have party cells in the country by law.

00:13:04.000 They have to have party cells in the company.

00:13:07.000 And so there's that control of private industry.

00:13:09.000 On top of that, you've got some of the biggest industries in China that are directly state-owned enterprises.

00:13:15.000 Steel, coal, telecommunications, some of the construction.

00:13:22.000 So that element is communist.

00:13:24.000 And then on top of that, you've got the sort of communist legal system, which is that they don't have the kind of legal system we think of here.

00:13:33.000 You've got obviously the rubber stamp Congress.

00:13:36.000 But you also have the way that they rule is not through rule of law.

00:13:41.000 They rule through these mass political campaigns, which is a whole other topic.

00:13:48.000 But simply put, Xi Jinping will say something like, we need to improve the quality of public

00:13:56.000 toilets in China.

00:13:58.000 And then everyone in China has to get involved in sprucing up these things.

00:14:03.000 And some local officials go nuts and they build these million dollar golden toilets

00:14:10.000 for foreigners.

00:14:11.000 Look how great we're following this policy.

00:14:14.000 But it's a political campaign.

00:14:16.000 Private companies have to do it, local officials.

00:14:19.000 And you get promoted based on how well you follow the policy.

00:14:22.000 And even if the policy is ludicrous, or even if you take it to an extreme, that doesn't matter.

00:14:28.000 Because, you know, as a local official, you're not accountable to voters.

00:14:33.000 You're accountable only to the higher-ups who are giving you your position.

00:14:36.000 So in that sense, it's still completely communist, even though it seems to have the elements of capitalism.

00:14:43.000 Michael Bloomberg?

00:14:43.000 Who was it?

00:14:44.000 Who said something about how Xi Jinping has constituents he has to... Oh, he said he's not a dictator, right?

00:14:50.000 Yeah, he's not a dictator.

00:14:52.000 So you say he doesn't have voters.

00:14:53.000 Michael Bloomberg disagrees, sort of.

00:14:56.000 I mean, is there a possibility that if the people are upset, Xi Jinping will not be in power?

00:15:03.000 Well, let's ask the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:15:06.000 I don't, I don't think that, like, but like, there is, like, there is this, you know, this whole populism versus the elites thing that's happening basically all around the world.

00:15:17.000 In China, the Communist Party is like uniquely positioned to take advantage of it because they're a Communist Party.

00:15:22.000 So they already say, you know, it's the people's this, the people's that.

00:15:26.000 But Xi Jinping has specifically made an attempt to be a populist leader within the Communist Party even.

00:15:33.000 So, he'll do things like his anti-corruption campaign, which was really about, kind of, getting rid of his political enemies, but a lot of it was positioned as, like, we're getting rid of, like, the excessive, like, elite communist members who are just, you know, wasting money and drinking and having mistresses and this kind of stuff.

00:15:54.000 And then he'll be photographed, you know, eating steamed buns at, like, an ordinary restaurant with the common people or, like, He's a guy you could have a baijiu with.

00:16:06.000 Yeah, he's a guy you could eat a steamed bun with.

00:16:09.000 It's very Maoist in that way, where it's man-of-the-people type of propaganda.

00:16:13.000 So he's making a specific play to become the populist leader, I think probably partly because of the power struggle that's going on within the party.

00:16:21.000 So he kind of understands that he needs to have the ordinary people on his side, quote-unquote.

00:16:29.000 That's what drove the Cultural Revolution. 0.84

00:16:31.000 Mao was kind of on the outs.

00:16:33.000 He used the love of the people, particularly the psychotic young youth, activated them, and then he was back in power, basically.

00:16:42.000 So that's powerful.

00:16:43.000 Do regular people in China like, generally speaking, the Communist Party or Xi Jinping?

00:16:47.000 Well, they'll certainly say so publicly.

00:16:49.000 It's hard to really know what the opinion is because there is no forum that they can really... Actually, Clubhouse was kind of an interesting example of Maybe some signs of dissent.

00:16:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:02.000 Like Clubhouse, there were Mandarin language chat rooms that would very, very quickly fill up to their 5,000 person max capacity.

00:17:12.000 And this was for a very brief window.

00:17:14.000 I think it was only about a week or so that Clubhouse... Well, it was a weekend.

00:17:18.000 It was a weekend before they shut it down.

00:17:20.000 It was just this little bit of crack where people inside mainland China could have actual uncensored access to the outside world.

00:17:27.000 Wow.

00:17:28.000 And they were talking about Xinjiang and the Uyghurs and the concentration camps and all this stuff.

00:17:32.000 They were hearing from Uyghurs. 1.00

00:17:33.000 They were hearing from people in Hong Kong and Taiwan.

00:17:36.000 And so I think that's a sign that people in China are aware on some level that they are being starved of information.

00:17:45.000 Yeah.

00:17:45.000 And they're going for it.

00:17:46.000 But also people on Clubhouse, like you're talking about, you know, wealthy Chinese people or upper middle class Chinese people.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, not rural farmers.

00:17:53.000 You know, yes, exactly.

00:17:54.000 Yeah.

00:17:55.000 I mean, my experience mainly with overseas Chinese people is that they've generally been, seem to be positive towards

00:18:01.000 the Communist Party.

00:18:02.000 And I think that's a lot of times because you have a very small subset of people that end up

00:18:07.000 making it to the United States. And the reason they got their wealth so they could come here

00:18:12.000 is actually because they had connections within the party.

00:18:16.000 And many of them were party members And so you've got like a very small and non-representative subset of wealthy or influential overseas Chinese who are saying, we like the Communist Party.

00:18:30.000 Well, they say, oh, maybe there's a few issues, but basically it's been really good for China.

00:18:34.000 You're talking about the people who have come here within the last like 10 years.

00:18:37.000 The last 10 years.

00:18:38.000 Right.

00:18:39.000 And so but then you have like if what you're really talking about is the other 1.3 billion Chinese people, you may have a very different perspective.

00:18:46.000 And I remember, Shelley, when you were talking with blind Chinese rights lawyer Chen Guangcheng about what was on the ground in China. 0.89

00:18:54.000 And he talked about how, you know, many people are very fed up with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:59.000 They just cannot express it online because they know.

00:19:01.000 I mean, people have been arrested in China for Calling Xi Jinping a steamed bun, for example.

00:19:06.000 Or Winnie the Pooh, right?

00:19:07.000 Yeah, so it's not a joke that people are seriously getting in trouble for what they say online.

00:19:14.000 Yeah, well it's happening here now, just in different ways.

00:19:17.000 I think it's interesting how we've basically just outsourced censorship very different from what they do.

00:19:22.000 I mean, for them it's the Communist Party that dictates the censorship, right?

00:19:25.000 Here it's just, oh, we can't interfere with what the monopoly wants.

00:19:30.000 So now you look at how all the conversations here are being controlled.

00:19:34.000 It seems like there are parallels, not completely identical, but still similarities where people are getting, you know, it's getting worse and worse here.

00:19:42.000 Well, Tim, they're private companies.

00:19:43.000 They have the right to, you know, monitor their own businesses.

00:19:46.000 Don't you support billion-dollar conglomerates like Google?

00:19:49.000 See, that's the issue.

00:19:50.000 It's always the centralized power.

00:19:53.000 If we give all the power to the government, you'll end up with a similar problem.

00:19:56.000 However, we have a Bill of Rights in this country, so there's at least that to protect us in the event that in the U.S.

00:20:01.000 we say, okay, we're going to nationalize or regulate these companies.

00:20:05.000 But you'll still run the risk, no matter what the supreme power is, the centralized, unified authority, no matter what it is, it's going to tell you, you can't do things it doesn't like.

00:20:15.000 Well, I mean, the foundation of the United States is the idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely, so it's a system in place to prevent the elite from getting too much power, because what always happens is the people who become elite think they should have more power, and have a general disdain for all of us other schlubs.

00:20:33.000 Yeah.

00:20:34.000 But they know better than us, Chris.

00:20:36.000 Shouldn't we let them tell us what to do and what to think?

00:20:39.000 My problem with the elite is they don't recognize that I should be amongst them.

00:20:43.000 Yeah, right?

00:20:44.000 That's fair, yeah.

00:20:45.000 I have a very high IQ, I'm sure. 0.99

00:20:45.000 Jerks. 0.99

00:20:45.000 I know. 0.99

00:20:49.000 My mom told me.

00:20:50.000 Yes.

00:20:51.000 Yeah, well, to a certain extent, I mean, the Communist Party is just the elite.

00:20:57.000 The people who choose to join it, they're doing so because they know they will get the elite ranks, the privilege, the access.

00:21:03.000 They use the same line that communism has used all along, that there's class struggle, the world would be a better place if there weren't this group oppressing everyone else.

00:21:13.000 And so they are the people and then they kill everyone.

00:21:18.000 Well they kill the bad people and then take over and then obviously since they're the good guys they can do whatever they want.

00:21:25.000 Everyone has to... That's right.

00:21:27.000 And it's hard when you get into power on the premise that you're fighting those in power because then you don't want people to fight the power when you become the power.

00:21:40.000 Well, then they just have to come up with a group to target, right?

00:21:40.000 Right.

00:21:43.000 So, you know, you target the students in 1989 and they become the pariahs and you massacre them.

00:21:49.000 There's always some enemy to fight.

00:21:50.000 In the late 90s, the enemy was Falun Gong, but, you know, they then killed them for their organs.

00:21:50.000 Right.

00:21:57.000 And there was the Tibetans, which they've been targeting for a long time. 0.79

00:22:00.000 And now that they've run out of the Falun Gong organs, they go to the Uyghur. 0.98

00:22:04.000 I mean, and actually, you know, we had a guest on our show talking about how, like, there's not a lot of Falun Gong practitioners in China anymore of a certain age group because so many of them have been killed for their organs.

00:22:04.000 Yeah.

00:22:15.000 And now the Communist Party has just moved on to a new group to get new organs.

00:22:20.000 What do they use the organs for?

00:22:22.000 I mean, I think... For like the people they like?

00:22:22.000 For transplants.

00:22:25.000 For party members?

00:22:26.000 Or people who can pay for it?

00:22:27.000 It's commercial.

00:22:28.000 I mean, look, a human, you know, a human heart could be retail for $100,000, $150,000.

00:22:28.000 It's commercial.

00:22:34.000 A set of lungs, $100,000.

00:22:37.000 Dollars.

00:22:38.000 Dollars.

00:22:39.000 I mean, so the value of a human life in China is very specific.

00:22:39.000 Yeah.

00:22:44.000 You know, it's about $450,000.

00:22:44.000 That's how much a human being is worth.

00:22:48.000 on the black market of organ trade.

00:22:50.000 Well, not even black market, because the point is Chinese state-run hospitals.

00:22:55.000 And so like what's happening with the Uyghurs, like we know about the concentration camps, right?

00:23:00.000 We know about how they're treating women and so on. 0.99

00:23:05.000 But the thing that's not reported on very much is in Xinjiang, it is very likely that

00:23:12.000 a lot of those people are being used as sort of a human organ bank.

00:23:16.000 And when there's someone who wants an organ, they find a match from within that concentration

00:23:21.000 camp system and they will do a speedy match.

00:23:25.000 And there's a lot of, you know, I don't know if you want to go into it here, but there's

00:23:28.000 a lot of evidence to suggest that they are in fact using Uyghurs for that.

00:23:33.000 And it's coordinated by the same system that is doing the labor camp.

00:23:38.000 So it's all part of the party's plan.

00:23:40.000 This is not some black market group or whatever doing it.

00:23:44.000 It's a fully coordinated effort.

00:23:45.000 It's the way that they subsidize their medical system because the government is not paying

00:23:49.000 for it anymore.

00:23:51.000 They're not paying for the medical system?

00:23:52.000 Well, it's sort of socialized health care, but like, that's not really a very accurate way to describe it because it's very misleading.

00:24:00.000 So, well, it's socialized medical care, but it's not very good.

00:24:05.000 But also, like, the state isn't really giving it much money.

00:24:08.000 And so it has to support itself through... The hospitals are, yeah, kind of on their own.

00:24:12.000 They need to make their own money.

00:24:14.000 Hospitals need to make their own money.

00:24:15.000 And one of the key ways they do that is through transplants.

00:24:19.000 So whenever we hear this argument that, you know, the United States is one of, like, three countries without universal health care or something, China actually doesn't provide that kind of coverage for people?

00:24:29.000 Well, I mean, they purport to do so.

00:24:32.000 But the problem is that, like, Like, you can go to a hospital and that'll be provided, but you'll still have to pay for your own food in the hospital.

00:24:41.000 You have to pay for your own nurses in the hospital. 1.00

00:24:44.000 There's a lot of things about that system that don't work.

00:24:46.000 You have to buy your own medicine still.

00:24:47.000 It also depends on who you are and where you are.

00:24:50.000 And what kind of publicity there is going on.

00:24:52.000 Like, during COVID, there was a lot of, the country is paying for the medical care of these people who are getting the coronavirus.

00:24:59.000 Anal swabs for everyone.

00:25:00.000 You know, yeah.

00:25:01.000 Okay, that's different.

00:25:03.000 Yeah, that was for Americans, actually.

00:25:05.000 Yeah, foreigners. 1.00

00:25:06.000 Foreigners are prohibited. 1.00

00:25:08.000 You wanna go? 0.99

00:25:09.000 Well, it's funny that, you know, look, we can talk about China, China, anal swabbing, 0.99

00:25:15.000 American diplomats or whatever, but we are talking about organ harvesting, which is like 0.99

00:25:20.000 a little bit worse.

00:25:22.000 It's a little worse.

00:25:23.000 A little bit, huh?

00:25:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:25.000 A lot of it worse.

00:25:25.000 But that system, the organ harvesting system, has been going on for a long time.

00:25:29.000 And as I understand it, it really ramped up in the early 2000s, because they had all these Falun Gong in prison.

00:25:35.000 And so they're like, well, what are we going to do with all these people?

00:25:38.000 And they're super healthy, because they've been doing Qi Gong.

00:25:40.000 Wow.

00:25:41.000 You've got healthy people.

00:25:42.000 They don't drink or smoke.

00:25:44.000 They're in good physical shape.

00:25:45.000 Perfect.

00:25:46.000 Perfect.

00:25:47.000 Ideally you want them to be like 28.

00:25:47.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 We're talking just billions of dollars.

00:25:53.000 I mean, this is really about money.

00:25:55.000 You see that China did ramp up the construction of specialty hospitals designed specifically for organ transplants.

00:26:02.000 And this is at a time when there is no organ donation system.

00:26:06.000 Yeah, for a lot of cultural reasons and whatever, maybe all across China a few hundred people or at most a couple thousand people are volunteers, organ donors.

00:26:18.000 And their system isn't even really functional in most parts of China.

00:26:21.000 So the vast majority of organ transplants are from non-voluntary donors.

00:26:27.000 And they're not even executing enough convicted criminals to account for the tens of thousands of transplants that are happening every year.

00:26:37.000 And so these organs have to come from somewhere.

00:26:39.000 And the reality is, almost certainly, that they're coming from one or more repressed groups. 0.76

00:26:47.000 Falun Gong, probably the biggest.

00:26:49.000 Maybe Uyghurs, now Uyghurs, because there's not enough Falun Gong organs left. 1.00

00:26:55.000 You know, to some degree, Tibetans and house Christians, I think.

00:26:58.000 You mentioned that the Falun Gong are healthier.

00:27:00.000 Is that similar for the Uyghur Muslims?

00:27:03.000 They don't drink?

00:27:03.000 Things like that?

00:27:04.000 With the Uyghurs, it seems like there is a specific, they call it a halal organ harvesting. 1.00

00:27:11.000 For the customers in the Middle East?

00:27:13.000 Yeah, there seems to be a specific desire for that in those communities because they don't eat pork.

00:27:18.000 They don't drink.

00:27:20.000 So that's why there's advertising for medical transplant tourism in the Middle East to come to China.

00:27:26.000 And there's even at the airport in Urumqi, which is the main city in Xinjiang, a sort of like fast track organ line.

00:27:34.000 You can Google it and find photos of this just to speed up anyone who's boarding a plane who's carrying organs.

00:27:42.000 So they're attracting Middle Eastern customers who are, they're very ethical customers who only want halal organs from Muslims. 1.00

00:27:51.000 Ethical? 0.74

00:27:51.000 Very ethical. 0.74

00:27:52.000 Because they want the halal organs. 1.00

00:27:54.000 But then they're like, harvest the organs of this innocent Muslim as well? 0.90

00:27:58.000 It's unclear if the people getting the organs, how much they know.

00:28:01.000 There's a certain degree of... Willful?

00:28:04.000 I don't know, I don't want to know.

00:28:05.000 Yeah, like, it is not possible to order an organ.

00:28:10.000 You can't schedule it two weeks in advance.

00:28:13.000 Except in China you can, though. 0.99

00:28:14.000 Wait, China you can schedule?

00:28:16.000 You schedule it on a day, typically about two weeks.

00:28:19.000 Have you guys ever seen the movie The Island?

00:28:20.000 Who was in it?

00:28:22.000 Was it Leonardo DiCaprio?

00:28:24.000 No, it was Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson.

00:28:27.000 And they're basically clones, so that when their non-clone counterpart in the real world needs an organ, they harvest the clone.

00:28:36.000 So it's like, you could order, as a wealthy person, be like, I'm going to need that, you know, heart in a few months.

00:28:42.000 And they would be like, okay.

00:28:43.000 And they would start prepping the cologne for harvest.

00:28:46.000 Yeah.

00:28:47.000 I wonder, you know, I'm not a Muslim, but I wonder what the actual scripture says or the teachings would say about being a Muslim and then going and then having a country that is subjugating Muslims.

00:28:58.000 Taking their organs and then you as a Muslim are like, I'll take that organ. 1.00

00:29:02.000 I can't imagine that's Right in like in their religion, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:29:07.000 Yeah, but people within the same religions have been killing each other for centuries So, I mean there's always that but I think that the that the people who are going to get the organs I think they typically aren't thinking about the source. 0.98

00:29:19.000 They don't want to think about the source and no one is Yeah.

00:29:26.000 Like a heart?

00:29:26.000 them think about the source. And so it's just like, oh, I'm just going and getting a transplant.

00:29:31.000 And that's from a voluntary donor. That is what they will be told. Yeah, they will be

00:29:35.000 told it and like, and they might have their heart missions, but they don't want to think

00:29:39.000 you don't want to let your mind go down that path. Yeah, right.

00:29:42.000 I guess when people are faced with death in an organ, they'll believe whatever they have to believe to justify their existence.

00:29:47.000 I mean, but like, also the Western, you know, medical system is supporting this.

00:29:53.000 And they don't have the excuse of the fact that they're facing life and death.

00:29:56.000 Because the transplantation society has willfully not looked into this and have been like, Uh, like, we don't see anything wrong happening in China, and, you know, there's been a lot of brouhaha over China's done a lot of cutting-edge organ transplants, like... Cutting-edge.

00:30:13.000 Yeah.

00:30:13.000 Oh, wow.

00:30:14.000 Organ transplant, uh, research.

00:30:16.000 A lot of, like, the new... Bleeding-edge research.

00:30:18.000 Yes.

00:30:19.000 Bleeding and resuscitation.

00:30:21.000 A lot of the new drugs that are coming out that make taking organs out of people easier, letting the organs survive longer outside the body.

00:30:31.000 These things are all coming from China in the last decade or so, and it's because they're doing all of these transplants. 1.00

00:30:39.000 It's like a society that doesn't care at all about the individual.

00:30:44.000 That's pretty accurate.

00:30:46.000 Yeah, that sums it up.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, and unfortunately, China is trying to draw medical and scientific talent from around the world

00:30:54.000 because they have access to a lot of funding, state-backed funding,

00:30:59.000 and there's often not the kind of moral restrictions holding them back.

00:31:03.000 Like, in the U.S., for better or for worse, you have all kinds of restrictions.

00:31:08.000 Like, stem cell research is a huge issue.

00:31:11.000 None of those kind of moral dilemmas ever hold back the Chinese Communist Party.

00:31:14.000 So, like Shelley was saying, they're able to make these breakthroughs in organ transplant technology because They have willing live test experiment.

00:31:27.000 Willing?

00:31:27.000 Yeah, willing.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, the Communist Party is willing to sacrifice them for the good of the party.

00:31:32.000 There was the guy who was talking about head transplants and how he had practiced it several times on him.

00:31:37.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:31:39.000 Head transplant.

00:31:39.000 But they can't connect nerves or anything like that.

00:31:41.000 He was saying he was getting real close to being able to do that.

00:31:44.000 Which is to say he was failing each time.

00:31:46.000 Yeah.

00:31:46.000 Oh my god.

00:31:49.000 Yeah, so there's definitely a lot of really ghoulish things probably happening within the medical system.

00:31:56.000 What about Americans? 0.69

00:31:57.000 If a rich American went there, had money, would they be like, whatever you say, sir, right away?

00:32:02.000 Here's your kidney, good sir.

00:32:04.000 I'm sure in principle.

00:32:05.000 I like I have no specific There are some countries that have outlawed organ tourism to China because like Israel was one of the first countries to do it actually South Korea has now Taiwan has I think these are there was a lot of tourism coming from like South Korea and Taiwan You know, Asia.

00:32:23.000 So like when, but once like this started to become known and then like doctors in those regions started speaking up and being like, we should not do this.

00:32:34.000 Uh, but like, it's still a very under the radar issue in general.

00:32:39.000 Has the world always been this way, or are we just in every possible conceivable iteration of a dystopian nightmare?

00:32:46.000 Book burning, censorship, zealotry, communism, organ harvesting, organ tourism.

00:32:52.000 It's like all of these stories, not just here in the US, but around the world, and it's like... It's like every single nightmarish dystopian novel has come into existence at the exact same time, or around the same time.

00:33:03.000 It does make you think, like...

00:33:06.000 It's always been this way?

00:33:07.000 Well, it just shows an inability for people as a whole to really stand up to these kinds of things.

00:33:15.000 Very often what happens is they get manipulated by those in charge to go along with these kinds of things.

00:33:21.000 To go along with the censorship, the book burning, the killing of the group, the bad group that's hurting society.

00:33:28.000 It's very easy to be manipulated.

00:33:31.000 That's the crazy thing, too, about, like, in the U.S., not to derail too much off of China's internal problems, but, you know, they claimed Trump was demonizing migrants and Muslims.

00:33:41.000 Well, they were demonizing American citizens.

00:33:44.000 You know, so we do see, regardless of which faction is trying to gain power, demagoguery and attacking a specific group seems to be the strong path to power.

00:33:55.000 Since you mentioned that, like, Xi Jinping recently said the U.S.

00:33:59.000 is the biggest threat to China's development, and imagine if Biden said that about China, or any U.S.

00:34:06.000 official.

00:34:07.000 I mean, I think Trump said things similar to that, right?

00:34:10.000 He got a little close.

00:34:12.000 But Biden's gonna be like, come on, man, you know, China, they're helping us out, they're good people, you know?

00:34:17.000 He's a master diplomat.

00:34:19.000 Yeah.

00:34:21.000 Indeed, yes.

00:34:22.000 Well, so let me pull this story up here and then we'll talk about U.S.

00:34:25.000 and China.

00:34:26.000 Axios reports Americans increasingly see China as an enemy.

00:34:30.000 Overall, 55% view America as a competitor.

00:34:33.000 So you were right earlier.

00:34:34.000 You mentioned it was about 34% viewed as an enemy.

00:34:34.000 I was wrong.

00:34:37.000 Among Republicans, 53% view China as an enemy and only 20% of Democrats, but it's about a third of

00:34:43.000 Americans, see China as an enemy. Perhaps not enough for any real conflict, but at least in

00:34:50.000 that regard with China now demonizing the United States, I wonder if this is a step towards a 0.87

00:34:55.000 potential military conflict. I don't know where you guys, your views are right now between that

00:35:00.000 scenario happening? Well, so for a point of context, the situation in Hong Kong,

00:35:07.000 on.

00:35:08.000 The Chinese Communist Party has been very successful at completely annihilating any trace of democracy in Hong Kong.

00:35:16.000 Once Hong Kong is taken care of to the Communist Party's satisfaction, the next goal is Taiwan. 0.82

00:35:25.000 And that is something that will draw in the entire world.

00:35:29.000 The U.S.

00:35:30.000 has made obligations to defend Taiwan in the event of any kind of invasion.

00:35:37.000 And Taiwan is a very strategic location in the region.

00:35:40.000 So sooner or later, we are going to see Taiwan become a flashpoint. 0.99

00:35:47.000 Is Biden going to actually protect Taiwan?

00:35:51.000 Well, I don't know.

00:35:53.000 I'd say no.

00:35:55.000 Well, so he was the first president to have essentially what is the Taiwanese ambassador.

00:36:02.000 They're not called an ambassador because of the one China, whatever.

00:36:06.000 But he was the first president to have this Taiwanese representative come to the inauguration.

00:36:10.000 He has carried on freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea and in the Taiwan Strait.

00:36:17.000 Uh, so he's done all of those things.

00:36:19.000 We just he hasn't explained what his China policy is.

00:36:24.000 So in many ways, the Biden administration has said many of the right things, but they haven't done much yet.

00:36:33.000 And it is six weeks.

00:36:34.000 Six weeks, right, right, right.

00:36:35.000 And even the Trump administration, it took a while for that administration's China policy to kind of crystallize for a variety of reasons.

00:36:44.000 You know, looking at the U.S.

00:36:47.000 migrant crisis that's happening right now, and I'm not assuming you guys know a lot about it, but Joe Biden is getting a lot of criticism from the left and the right.

00:36:54.000 It's typically being seen as a dramatic failure by both political parties.

00:36:58.000 Obviously, there are establishment Democrats who are supportive of Joe Biden, Republican party, Trump populist types, they're super critical, and left populists are looking at Joe Biden as though he's failing miserably in this regard because he's not really getting anything done.

00:37:11.000 He's not helping the migrants in a capacity where they'll be able to come in here and get healthcare and get access.

00:37:16.000 Well, they're kind of coming in and being released.

00:37:18.000 It's not all that great.

00:37:19.000 Some are being deported, but then the Trump supporters see it as he's not doing anything to stop it.

00:37:23.000 I only bring that up because I have to wonder if that's something that we really can see and understand as Americans.

00:37:27.000 We understand the border.

00:37:29.000 We understand the arguments made around it.

00:37:31.000 Is that a sign of Joe Biden's leadership on other issues as well, which may reflect on what could happen with China?

00:37:37.000 Well, I think from things that have been said, and again, this is things that have been said and not done, they talk about diplomacy cooperating with China.

00:37:46.000 China might be a rival or a competitor, but we need to cooperate with them on climate change etc etc but the fundamental issue is when you look at the Chinese Communist Party as a regime that is committing genocide and that as we can see in the case of Hong Kong lies about any promise it makes how can you cooperate how can you be diplomatic

00:38:10.000 with this kind of monstrous authoritarian regime.

00:38:12.000 So it blows the fundamental premise of what he's said out of the water.

00:38:16.000 I think the danger for the US and the Biden administration here is that

00:38:19.000 they are going to want to differentiate themselves so much from the Trump administration

00:38:26.000 that they have to be like, well, we are going to be diplomats.

00:38:29.000 We're going to talk about diplomacy.

00:38:31.000 We're going to talk about cooperation.

00:38:32.000 This whole line about China being a rival, but we have to still cooperate on shared goals is one that's consistently been said by like every Biden nominee that's gone up in front of like Senate hearings or whatever.

00:38:43.000 So you have to say this is the line from the Biden administration.

00:38:47.000 The problem is that's not what the Chinese Communist Party means by cooperate.

00:38:51.000 The word in Chinese, it just kind of means like exchange in any way.

00:38:55.000 So it could be just like, you know, the cooperation doesn't, it doesn't mean like we're going to both work together on climate change.

00:39:01.000 It means if you want me to do something about climate change, uh, yeah.

00:39:05.000 What are you going to give up?

00:39:06.000 Like, what are you going to give me?

00:39:08.000 I don't think you're going to do anything.

00:39:09.000 I think, I think it's duplicitousness.

00:39:13.000 They're going to say, don't worry America, we got you.

00:39:16.000 You give us the billion dollars and then we'll get right on it.

00:39:18.000 And then what billion dollars?

00:39:20.000 So the promise was in four decades we'll be carbon neutral.

00:39:23.000 Yeah.

00:39:24.000 As they're building more coal-fired power plants.

00:39:28.000 We've seen challenges with cooperating with the Chinese Communist Party in the past.

00:39:32.000 If you look at the George W. Bush administration, they initially took a tough stance on the Communist Party, but after 9-11, They're like, well, we have to work with the Communist Party on fighting the biggest threat, which at the time was terrorism.

00:39:47.000 And so the idea is we're going to work with China to fight global terrorism.

00:39:51.000 And what did China do?

00:39:52.000 They didn't cooperate towards America's goals on fighting terrorism.

00:39:56.000 They basically used it as an excuse to go after their Chinese Muslims, like the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:40:02.000 Right.

00:40:03.000 The Obama administration then said, oh, we have to cooperate with China on climate change.

00:40:08.000 And, you know, what happened?

00:40:09.000 Well, China signed, you know, the Paris agreement.

00:40:12.000 But ultimately, what did China actually do was build a huge number of coal-fired power plants, releasing massive amounts of carbon.

00:40:21.000 They ramped up their carbon emissions while using the excuse of being a developing country. 0.87

00:40:27.000 But on top of that, they also stole the renewable energy technology from U.S. companies, wind

00:40:34.000 power technology and solar technology.

00:40:36.000 And now if you want to buy a solar panel in America, you're basically buying one that's

00:40:43.000 made in China from knocked off American technology. And that's how the Communist 0.98

00:40:48.000 Party cooperates on climate change. It's also powered by coal. Right, right.

00:40:53.000 when they build the...

00:40:55.000 You know, you're ragging on China coming down real hard over the burning of this carbon and all that stuff.

00:40:59.000 But they did build that big TV thing, right, that showed the sunrise.

00:41:03.000 Oh, I know that.

00:41:04.000 There's all the smog in the air.

00:41:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:06.000 You got to give them credit for at least giving people a glimmer of hope, right?

00:41:10.000 It can't just be a dreary post-apocalyptic smog wasteland.

00:41:13.000 Xi Jinping promised he's going to transform China into a moderately prosperous society.

00:41:19.000 I got to say, I feel like the U.S.

00:41:21.000 is already lost.

00:41:23.000 You know, I think we're in a propaganda war, an information war, an economic war, and we are... I don't think the physical confrontation matters as much.

00:41:33.000 If it comes to a point where Taiwan knows the U.S.

00:41:35.000 has become too weak to actually defend it, and their option is allow China to come in or die, I mean, I feel like they might just be like, well, we've got no defense anymore, we've got no leverage, that's it, we're China now. 0.84

00:41:46.000 It's hard to say because they know what it would mean for Taiwan is they become the next Hong Kong.

00:41:52.000 And Hong Kong is looking more and more a little less like Shanghai and a little more like Xinjiang.

00:41:58.000 That was a point you made the other day where it's very... What does that mean?

00:42:02.000 It means like it's basically like when the Chinese Communist Party is turning Hong Kong into another Chinese 0.98

00:42:02.000 Oh, right. 0.98

00:42:07.000 city They're not turning it into like Shanghai or Beijing like

00:42:09.000 one of their show They're turning it into Xinjiang which is basically an open-air 0.88

00:42:14.000 prison, right?

00:42:15.000 There was like all the crackdowns in Hong Kong now, like they're basically going to

00:42:19.000 Essentially strip out all the democracy that existed like no more being able to vote for people in the legislature

00:42:27.000 Like it's just they're completely dismantling it and there was maybe a bill that's gonna come up in front of the

00:42:34.000 legislature That is now completely controlled by pro-Beijing officials

00:42:38.000 That would allow the Hong Kong government to stop people from leaving Hong Kong

00:42:43.000 Like so that then it really does become like a giant prison.

00:42:43.000 Wow.

00:42:47.000 And there is no prominent Hong Kong activists that is they're all either in jail or in exile at this point.

00:42:54.000 And a lot of people we had interviewed in Hong Kong just a year and a half ago are in jail now.

00:42:59.000 Wow.

00:43:00.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 So really what happens in Taiwan will determine whatever happens with the next But I mean, you look at these American companies, that's why I say it.

00:43:11.000 Was it LeBron James, who came out and defended China?

00:43:15.000 And then you had, was it Steve Kerr, I think it was?

00:43:18.000 Well, we don't talk about Black Lives Matter, or they don't talk about Black Lives Matter, so we're not going to talk about what's going on over there.

00:43:22.000 And it's like, dude, they're concentration camps.

00:43:25.000 It's a big difference.

00:43:26.000 And the NBA has a training camp in Xinjiang, and Disney thanked Yeah, we talked about that.

00:43:31.000 All these industries, they make so much more money there.

00:43:34.000 You gotta look at who owns these big companies and their access to wealth.

00:43:38.000 American companies, I shouldn't even call them American companies necessarily, they're multinational corporations at this point, and the people in charge of them are like, I'm rich, I can do whatever I want and no one will stop me, why would I care about anybody else?

00:43:52.000 I mean, BlackRock has this whole webpage about unleashing the potential of Chinese bonds.

00:43:59.000 Like, yeah.

00:43:59.000 What does that mean?

00:44:00.000 It means like, invest your money in China.

00:44:02.000 Yeah.

00:44:03.000 Pump up the regime.

00:44:05.000 Yeah, you'll invest your money in China.

00:44:07.000 You'll get back a good return and you will sell out everyone else into serfdom or slave labor.

00:44:13.000 If China takes Taiwan, China becomes a superpower. 0.68

00:44:17.000 It's no longer the U.S. 0.88

00:44:19.000 is more powerful.

00:44:21.000 It would be a tremendous loss for democracy worldwide.

00:44:24.000 Yeah, this is what Xi Jinping was saying about the, you know, West is in decline, the East is rising.

00:44:31.000 I mean, it's true.

00:44:32.000 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 But at the same time saying that the U.S.

00:44:36.000 is the biggest threat to China.

00:44:39.000 Yeah.

00:44:40.000 More like the U.S. 0.96

00:44:42.000 is the dominant power around the world, and it's who needs to be displaced if China has to take over. 0.97

00:44:47.000 What about the EU?

00:44:48.000 They'll stand up.

00:44:50.000 My understanding is that the goal of the European Union was to compete with China because they saw how quickly it was rising and they needed some kind of united force.

00:44:58.000 They're not succeeding at that.

00:44:59.000 No, they're not.

00:45:02.000 And that has to do with the manufacturing and corporate power of Germany in particular being very interested in developing relationships with China.

00:45:13.000 Angela Merkel has been very supportive of that.

00:45:17.000 Volkswagen went into China in like 1978 or 79.

00:45:20.000 It's like the first Western company to go into China.

00:45:23.000 Volkswagen has a bad history.

00:45:25.000 Well, all of these companies that go into China, they create a Chinese Communist division within the company for the Communist Party.

00:45:31.000 So if you have 50 or more employees, then you're required by Chinese law to have a party branch within your company.

00:45:38.000 And this applies not just to Chinese companies, but also to foreign companies.

00:45:41.000 Foreign companies also have to work with a Chinese company, by law.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, so they need a partner, and until recently it had to be a majority partner, 51% majority.

00:45:52.000 And so essentially the foreign company can operate, but there are certain things that they can and can't do according to the party whims, and the party is in there with every major decision.

00:46:04.000 McDonald's having a party branch in China, it's hard to understand what that would really mean.

00:46:11.000 But when it comes to Volkswagen, their party branch is going to help arrange things like cheap labor, for example.

00:46:19.000 Or Nike will have a party branch, and maybe there's certain political things that Nike can't say, and there's also possibly the help that they give.

00:46:27.000 You get very cheap labor from Uyghurs who don't have much choice. 1.00

00:46:32.000 Well, this is why Nike was fighting against a forced labor bill that would have potentially gotten them in trouble for using forced labor in Xinjiang.

00:46:41.000 Not that they were directly using it, but because of the web of how many of like, you know, you source something from this person who sorts something from this company down the line, and then somewhere along the line, there's Uyghur slave labor. 0.91

00:46:52.000 I mean, it was so easy and cheap, so they decided to just do it.

00:46:55.000 It's not just Uyghur slave labor.

00:46:56.000 There's a lot of prison labor.

00:46:58.000 There's just a lot of dissident prison labor.

00:47:03.000 It's not just the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:47:04.000 It's just that the Uyghurs are the biggest population.

00:47:06.000 It's very visible in a way.

00:47:09.000 They're an ethnic minority, so you can kind of tell who they are.

00:47:12.000 In one region, too.

00:47:14.000 Versus just, like, well, like, so the issue with Falun Gong was they were just anybody.

00:47:19.000 They were just people who did Qigong practice, and so they blended in, they weren't, like, in one location, so you couldn't, like, see, like, oh, this is the specific concentration camp where they're putting them. 0.74

00:47:28.000 Right.

00:47:29.000 So... That sounds horrible.

00:47:32.000 Yeah.

00:47:33.000 We do not want the Chinese Communist Party as a superpower leading the world. 1.00

00:47:37.000 I don't think we can do anything.

00:47:38.000 Is it pessimistic to say it's over?

00:47:40.000 What do you guys think?

00:47:42.000 I think it is pessimistic.

00:47:44.000 There has been, you know, we all know the Trump administration was a bit controversial.

00:47:51.000 China was one of the few bipartisan issues.

00:47:55.000 I would imagine the Biden administration said it's reviewing the Trump administration designation of what's happening to the Uyghurs as genocide.

00:48:03.000 I can't imagine it would be politically feasible for Biden to come out and say, well, you know, maybe it isn't genocide.

00:48:10.000 I just can't imagine.

00:48:11.000 That happened.

00:48:12.000 He came out and said, well, you know, there are cultural differences in China.

00:48:16.000 What he said was wrong for many reasons.

00:48:19.000 Not quite that.

00:48:21.000 He has been clear about condemning the treatment of the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:48:27.000 I don't think he'll use the word genocide personally.

00:48:29.000 Not yet.

00:48:30.000 Because it's just like how the Canadian parliament recently voted that it was genocide.

00:48:35.000 But Trudeau and his entire cabinet basically just didn't show up for the vote.

00:48:41.000 Because they were like, the government abstains.

00:48:45.000 I can actually understand and respect why Joe Biden would not do that.

00:48:50.000 Because he needs to go in and be able to have some kind of relationship to actually have influence in a certain capacity.

00:48:56.000 However, while I can understand that, and the same is true for Trump, when he would go and negotiate, like, why is he talking to Kim Jong-un or whatever?

00:49:01.000 Like, what is he gonna do, throw a bomb first?

00:49:06.000 At a certain point, there's a line, we gotta figure out how we stop these things.

00:49:08.000 I mean, the gulags in North Korea are nightmarish, and the genocide and the concentration camps in China are probably the worst possible thing we could imagine existing, in terms of what a human could do to another human.

00:49:23.000 How do we stop it?

00:49:24.000 If we don't have a president who's willing to say, that's the line.

00:49:27.000 The line is, shouldn't the line for, I don't care if it's Trump or Biden, be literal genocide?

00:49:32.000 You should say it.

00:49:33.000 Shouldn't Trudeau say it?

00:49:34.000 Well, as you say, that's, it prevents them from having any kind of diplomacy, quote unquote.

00:49:41.000 But the way I see it is when you enter into genocide, is diplomacy really Soft diplomacy. I mean you can still have diplomacy to a 0.63

00:49:50.000 certain degree you could have I'm good You know we're we're sanctioning you we're making demands

00:49:55.000 you end this now or else because this is a red line But we have these we have Trudeau and Biden who are like

00:50:02.000 well now hold on there. You know yeah You need to have red lines that there are consequences for

00:50:07.000 crossing those red lines, and I think we had all the red lines of Syria 0.99

00:50:12.000 Yeah.

00:50:12.000 Well, I think with the genocide, this is why genocide is such a touchy issue.

00:50:16.000 It's if Western democracies, and now the Dutch parliament has come out and also called it a genocide, if they actually start using the word genocide, then it becomes a lot harder for not just like leaders of countries to just act like China's normal country, but also, you know, Wall Street for businesses, because really the thing that we can do to stop China is to cut off the money.

00:50:39.000 That is the number one thing.

00:50:40.000 They won't do it. Yeah, you have all these special interests like I like I would mention the NBA

00:50:44.000 You had blizzard the hearthstone thing with free Hong Kong.

00:50:48.000 Yeah. Well, that's free Hong Kong's long since past I suppose

00:50:51.000 They were there's there's an opportunity each and every step of the way for companies to say no to China and they 0.98

00:50:56.000 don't do it No, I think that's where

00:50:59.000 it has to be like when we were talking about how people now see more and more people see China's enemy or

00:51:06.000 Like like some kind of threat like it has to be people who it has to be so bad for these companies in the u.s

00:51:13.000 to not cut off that source of money in China or whatever that they are willing to do it like If the alternative is that they really, like, with Google and Dragonfly, like, it's such a bad thing for them that they actually have to stop, like, that's where we have to go.

00:51:30.000 That was Employee Revolt, wasn't it?

00:51:32.000 Employees at Google said no to the, you know, Dragonfly.

00:51:32.000 Yeah.

00:51:36.000 And good on them.

00:51:36.000 Dragonfly?

00:51:38.000 And I wish employees at Nike and the NBA would... I mean, if you had, you know, if you had a bunch of NBA stars, like real stars, who said, you know, we got to condemn what's happening there, then there'd be enough public pressure that there couldn't be much the NBA would do.

00:51:55.000 LeBron James needs to call out genocide.

00:51:57.000 Right.

00:51:58.000 I have no problem with basketball players using their fame to talk about political issues in the U.S.

00:52:05.000 What's happening in China is so bad that if you even talk about it in China, you get arrested.

00:52:12.000 So you can't criticize your own government inside China.

00:52:15.000 It's a very different situation.

00:52:17.000 But I think the overall looking at why is the Chinese Communist Party so powerful and

00:52:22.000 how have they gotten so much power in the last 20 years, it's all because of foreign 1.00

00:52:27.000 investment.

00:52:29.000 It's partly just the money directly, like investing in Chinese bonds, investing in Chinese

00:52:34.000 companies and that sort of thing.

00:52:36.000 But it's also the foreign companies coming in, giving their technology, allowing Chinese

00:52:40.000 companies to learn from and even steal a lot of this technology and outcompete these industries.

00:52:46.000 And then it's us buying those knockoff products back here in the U.S.

00:52:51.000 So that whole economic system is the fundamental core of that is foreign companies, especially U.S.

00:52:59.000 companies, engaging in that market.

00:53:01.000 So to the degree that you can cut off the foreign company or American company interaction with China, That's the degree to which we're going to be able to rein in that authoritarian power. 0.56

00:53:14.000 And we have to focus there.

00:53:16.000 But it's clear that even the Trump administration, which seemed to really want to do it, was unable to achieve a whole lot with that.

00:53:27.000 Well, it's going to take a lot, a lot more Google dragonfly situations where people working here who have that power as employees, empower citizens and as media to say, we're not going to tolerate our companies working with a genocide dictatorship.

00:53:44.000 Also, you know, consumers not buying products made in China.

00:53:47.000 Don't go to an NBA game.

00:53:50.000 The other thing that the U.S. 0.86

00:53:52.000 government could do was what the Trump administration started doing, like actually putting Chinese companies that work with the Chinese military on entity lists, like blacklisting them.

00:54:01.000 Getting them delisted from the stock exchanges.

00:54:03.000 Yeah, so soon there are going to be a bunch of big Chinese companies that can't trade on Wall Street anymore.

00:54:08.000 But is Joe Biden going to keep those policies going?

00:54:10.000 Don't know.

00:54:11.000 He hasn't said.

00:54:11.000 We don't know.

00:54:12.000 I kind of feel like he wouldn't do that.

00:54:16.000 Like you mentioned before, you know, he's going to try and differentiate himself from the Trump administration.

00:54:21.000 So already, you know, we had this, uh, this Trump put in this executive order about keeping China out, Chinese made, you know, equipment out of the U.S.

00:54:29.000 electrical grid.

00:54:30.000 And then Joe Biden's like, we're going to freeze that rule.

00:54:33.000 So it's no longer in effect and review it.

00:54:36.000 And I'm like, if you want to review the rule, wouldn't you leave the restrictions in place?

00:54:41.000 Why would Joe Biden just say, okay, yeah, China come back into the U.S.

00:54:44.000 electrical grid?

00:54:45.000 I think it's a little unclear what happened.

00:54:47.000 And like, he could potentially be using that for his advantage.

00:54:50.000 But there was sort of a blanket freeze on a lot of last minute policies by Trump, which I think is in general pretty common for an incoming president to do.

00:55:02.000 And the issue is with Biden, like, so that could be... I'm so fine.

00:55:06.000 He's frozen those, he reviews them.

00:55:08.000 The issue with the Biden administration is it comes under this cloud of Uh, Biden personally and a lot of the people he's appointed to his cabinet, their past failures with China policy, uh, scandals like Hunter Biden, putting this cloud over Biden.

00:55:24.000 It gives him the appearance of like, you should not be questioning if the U S president is really going to condemn genocide.

00:55:32.000 Yeah, and we are.

00:55:33.000 And the other thing, too, is I think it's fascinating how they say that, you know, Donald Trump was the Manchurian candidate for Russia or whatever, that he was a Russian asset, he was a puppet or, you know, and all that stuff.

00:55:43.000 And now we actually have this circumstance where, you know, we're six weeks out and Joe Biden has not given an address to a joint session of Congress.

00:55:52.000 You'd have to go back to Jimmy Carter in 1977 for the last time it took this long.

00:55:56.000 Now, he was into April, so maybe Joe Biden will still beat Jimmy Carter and give some kind of speech, but he's not given a press conference in the entirety of his six weeks.

00:56:06.000 So, already things seem to be a bit unprecedented.

00:56:09.000 And then we had that scenario where he was talking to the Democratic caucus, and then he says, I'll take questions, and the camera shuts off.

00:56:18.000 The feed ends.

00:56:19.000 Now, many people on the right said, as soon as Joe Biden offered to take questions, they turned the camera off.

00:56:23.000 And the response from the journalists was, he took the questions off camera.

00:56:27.000 You're misunderstanding.

00:56:28.000 You're confused.

00:56:29.000 And my response is, why?

00:56:31.000 Why was he doing the session live and then took the questions off camera? 0.97

00:56:36.000 That's a ridiculous excuse.

00:56:38.000 Because either way, the American people deserve to see what our politicians are asking the president and what he is saying to them. 0.70

00:56:45.000 When I saw that, I was sitting here with Jack Murphy, and Jack was just like, Manchurian candidate.

00:56:50.000 Not literally, just kind of joking.

00:56:52.000 What's going on to where the President of the United States isn't doing press conferences, isn't giving an address to the Joint Session of Congress, and then he can't even answer questions on a live stream?

00:57:02.000 Who is he?

00:57:02.000 What's he doing?

00:57:03.000 And then you tie that into the Hunter Biden stuff.

00:57:06.000 Flying his son in Air Force Two to China for that private equity deal.

00:57:10.000 And then, am I supposed to trust this president has our best interest at heart as we're entering either the Strauss-Howe generational theory winter, or Thucydides' trap?

00:57:22.000 There's academics who are telling us, we're in for some serious trouble, and we're looking at genocide, and we're looking at organ harvesting, and we're looking at Hong Kong falling, now we're looking at Taiwan.

00:57:32.000 It looks like China is getting away with every single thing they've done wrong, and we're doing nothing about it, but say what? 0.99

00:57:38.000 Maybe some sanctions here and there?

00:57:39.000 Well, I think that 2020 was actually a banner year for the Chinese Communist Party.

00:57:43.000 It didn't start out that way.

00:57:44.000 It looked like the world was going to turn against them after the coronavirus.

00:57:47.000 It's amazing they turned that.

00:57:49.000 They turned that completely around, and now they are using that as propaganda for how well that their system is doing compared to everybody else.

00:57:56.000 More reason to cooperate with China.

00:57:58.000 Yes.

00:57:58.000 And I think that, like, the one thing, the Biden administration recently came out with their interim national security policy.

00:58:05.000 And reading that, I was actually pretty worried about how they were going to, like, deal with China because it seemed to kind of revert back to, like, an Obama administration era of, like, the whole thing that we were talking about before about, like, we need to cooperate still.

00:58:19.000 The Trump administration specifically, in their national security policy, called out the Chinese Communist Party and said, you know, it's a Marxist-Leninist organization, said, we are going to treat this the way that the Chinese Communist Party treats this, which is, they said that they are in a great power competition with the U.S.

00:58:36.000 So fine, we acknowledge that, you know, China says that we're in a great power competition with them.

00:58:41.000 And the Biden administration seems to have gone back to that like, oh, you know, we disagree, we're economic rivals, we're competitors, but we can work together on some things.

00:58:51.000 And then the other part of the national security policy that I found kind of a little bit alarming is the fact that they seem to want to blur the line between foreign policy and domestic policy.

00:59:00.000 Like, there's a specific part where they talk about how, you know, we can't just have foreign policy and domestic policy be separate.

00:59:07.000 We have to, you know, if we really want to have effective foreign policy, we have to fix our own internal problems.

00:59:12.000 So then that brought up, like, systemic racism and equity and all this stuff.

00:59:16.000 So it seems like if that's what they want to focus on, they're going to be too focused on, like, internal things and this ideological battle and not focused enough on the genuine threat that the Chinese Communist Party is.

00:59:29.000 Which is strange because the executive branch, their main thing is to deal with foreign policy.

00:59:35.000 Domestic policy is supposed to be the legislative.

00:59:38.000 Yeah.

00:59:40.000 Well, here we are with every single line item of China violating some kind of human rights, civil rights, stealing, destroying. 0.90

00:59:51.000 We're buying back our own technology that was stolen from us and then cheaply knocked off.

00:59:56.000 Built by slaves. 1.00

00:59:59.000 And they just keep doing it.

00:59:59.000 Built by slaves.

01:00:00.000 And we just keep, you know, doting along, accepting it.

01:00:04.000 I will say, I posted a meme, though, that made everybody angry.

01:00:08.000 It was on, I think it was the 20th, I said, the peaceful transition of power from the previous administration to the new administration is complete.

01:00:14.000 And it was a picture of Vladimir Putin and then Xi Jinping.

01:00:18.000 And I was like, there you go.

01:00:19.000 Whatever your political ideology is, you know, the left viewed Trump as this, like, beholden guy to Russia.

01:00:25.000 But Russia wasn't really doing all that much.

01:00:27.000 I mean, sure, there's conflict over pipelines and, you know, Ukraine and things like that.

01:00:33.000 Syria, perhaps.

01:00:34.000 But what's happening with China really does seem to be, it could be theoretically the catalyst for some very serious major war.

01:00:42.000 If we're not already in the peak of it, which is information war.

01:00:45.000 But, you know, that's why I have to wonder about the things we see in America in the culture war.

01:00:50.000 Is it really in the best interest of either America or China to engage in a hot war with missiles and bullets?

01:00:56.000 It never is for anybody.

01:00:56.000 Probably not.

01:00:57.000 It's very expensive, and then you have to hope you're going to win.

01:01:00.000 But information war, it's more surreptitious.

01:01:02.000 It's aversive.

01:01:03.000 So I wonder, you know, to what extent China is influencing our social media and manipulating us much the way they accused the Russians of doing it.

01:01:12.000 I don't know if you guys have seen anything that would suggest those kind of operations.

01:01:15.000 I think it's a little different, actually.

01:01:17.000 What China's really been manipulating very successfully is American elites. 0.58

01:01:22.000 And it's almost like they don't have to do the kind of awkward, like, Twitter thing, right?

01:01:26.000 Where they're, like, having dummy accounts on Twitter and trying to influence people on Facebook.

01:01:30.000 Like, the Chinese Communist Party is much better at this than Russia.

01:01:33.000 They just tweet it out, right?

01:01:35.000 The members of the Chinese Communist Party are tweeting really offensive things.

01:01:39.000 They have a picture of the Australian soldier or whatever.

01:01:42.000 It reminds me of that Simpsons bit.

01:01:44.000 I don't know if you guys have ever seen the episode where Bart joins a boy band that's subliminally trying to get people to join the Navy.

01:01:51.000 And the Navy recruiter tells Lisa, we recruit by the subliminal, the liminal, and the superliminal.

01:01:58.000 And Lisa goes, superliminal?

01:02:00.000 And he opens the window and goes, hey, you!

01:02:00.000 And he goes, yeah.

01:02:02.000 Join the Navy!

01:02:03.000 And then Lenny and Carl are like, OK.

01:02:06.000 So that's kind of what I feel like when I see these like high rank, you know, these like, you know, officials in the Communist Party or like Chinese government officials, blue checkmark on Twitter, tweeting some ridiculous, absurd conspiracy theory about the election or the president.

01:02:20.000 And it's allowed.

01:02:21.000 They're allowed to do it.

01:02:21.000 They're allowed.

01:02:22.000 I'm like, there it is.

01:02:23.000 That's the that's the super liminal right in your face.

01:02:25.000 We're lying and we can do whatever we want.

01:02:27.000 We don't need bots.

01:02:29.000 I, well, so a good example of this is, um, how China manipulates language.

01:02:34.000 Matt, I'm going to pass that off to you in just a second.

01:02:37.000 But like, just like one example of how Chinese propaganda seeps into, uh, American discourse is going back to the Biden town hall.

01:02:45.000 How he was talking about how China had the century of humiliation.

01:02:50.000 They need to have the strong centralized core.

01:02:52.000 That's Communist Party propaganda that's being parroted by the president.

01:02:58.000 And that's not saying he's not unique in that.

01:03:02.000 It's because the Communist Party is very good at taking language and changing the meaning of it. 0.61

01:03:07.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's not just that, which I get to in a minute, but the... You'll circle back to that.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 I'm paying attention.

01:03:16.000 The overall idea is like, you know, Tim, you talk about the overt stuff, the superliminal we're seeing on Twitter, which is the propaganda from the Chinese foreign minister.

01:03:26.000 But the real way that we're seeing that influence is actually through what's called elite capture.

01:03:32.000 which is the Chinese Communist Party convincing influential people around the world,

01:03:38.000 including American politicians, American business leaders, American academics, and journalists.

01:03:45.000 These are the thought leaders in American society, and the Communist Party is influencing them.

01:03:51.000 And now these groups, the politicians, the business leaders, the media,

01:03:58.000 are all the cheerleaders for the Communist Party.

01:04:02.000 And it may not be so obvious that they're saying, rah, rah, rah, communism, because they're not saying it that way.

01:04:08.000 What they're saying is like, well, look at, you know, China's lifted millions of people out of poverty.

01:04:14.000 China is a competitor, but we need to work with them. 1.00

01:04:18.000 And they've gotten people to parrot these lines, which on the surface seem reasonable, but actually they're exactly what the Communist Party wants.

01:04:27.000 And they do that through a variety of influence campaigns to get these people on their side.

01:04:32.000 The challenge is, like, when we hear, you know, whether it's, you know, Bernie Sanders saying, oh, we know, but, you know, China, I don't like authoritarianism, but China has lifted 700 million people out of poverty, right?

01:04:48.000 It's that's the propaganda line that's making you think well maybe they do have some elements to their system that work is look how many people they've lifted out of poverty and it is true that since 1978 hundreds of millions of people in China have gotten out of poverty. But it's not the Communist Party

01:05:06.000 that lifted them out of poverty. It was the Communist Party that put them in poverty in the first place.

01:05:12.000 But then how did they get out of poverty? It wasn't government policy. It was actually the

01:05:17.000 reform and opening up. The Geiger Keifung started by Deng Xiaoping in 78. And these policies

01:05:23.000 gradually took the boot off of people's necks so that they could have businesses and start their

01:05:29.000 own enterprises in the free market. And people lifted themselves out of poverty. And for investment.

01:05:35.000 It's kind of like when it's, you know, in the summer and it's really hot and you're really sweaty.

01:05:39.000 So you go under the blanket for a few seconds and then you get really hot.

01:05:42.000 When you take the blanket off, it feels really cool and refreshing for a little bit.

01:05:46.000 So maybe what we should do in the US is have this extended lockdown where we destroy everyone's business for maybe a year.

01:05:46.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 And then after about, you know, two years, because, you know, Biden's saying next year is normal, then we can be like, look at all of the people the Biden administration has lifted out of poverty.

01:06:03.000 He's a tremendous leader.

01:06:05.000 Starting with the bankers.

01:06:06.000 Yes.

01:06:07.000 Which, I mean, they came in real quick to save those folks.

01:06:10.000 And, you know, I mean, I'm not saying there's anything, you know, necessarily wrong about trying to keep the stock market from having a complete crash.

01:06:18.000 But definitely there are some shortcomings in terms of the overall response.

01:06:25.000 But anyway, to get to the point about, like, you've got the Communist Party getting people to repeat these lines.

01:06:33.000 But the problem is, you know, when you hear this, you know, lifting millions of people out of poverty, you also have to realize that China now says, for example, You know, being out of poverty is a human right, right?

01:06:48.000 It's the top human right.

01:06:49.000 It's the main human right.

01:06:50.000 Sounds like Bernie Sanders.

01:06:51.000 It's the main human right.

01:06:52.000 And so a lot of people on the surface, they think, oh, well, like, yeah, like, like, it's so bad to be in this abject poverty.

01:06:58.000 Like, maybe, maybe it is a human right to have money.

01:07:01.000 And, you know, you can agree or disagree on that, but that's not the point.

01:07:05.000 The point is that now, you know, you've added, the Communist Party has added economic prosperity as a human right.

01:07:14.000 And they've gotten a lot of people to kind of go along with it.

01:07:16.000 But what you're not seeing is that they haven't just added on to the meaning of human rights, they've actually changed the meaning.

01:07:24.000 China is using that instead of giving people the human rights that we consider human rights, the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

01:07:33.000 You don't have the right to life when you can be sent to a concentration camp or killed for your organs.

01:07:39.000 Or welded into your apartment so you can die.

01:07:45.000 The fact that that's happening in China as part of their COVID response shows a complete disregard for human rights, a complete disregard for individual liberties.

01:07:55.000 But you got a MacBook.

01:07:56.000 Yeah, well, I mean... Well, and then China says, ah, but we stopped COVID. 0.88

01:08:00.000 Yeah, we had to weld people in their homes, but we stopped COVID.

01:08:04.000 Which isn't true.

01:08:05.000 The giant bar they like wedge between the door and the wall so the door can't be opened.

01:08:09.000 There's one of like a woman being dragged into like this box on a pickup truck screaming the whole time. 1.00

01:08:14.000 Yeah, well I think the other thing with the elite capture is like, one thing that it's important to notice, and I think we'll see more and more of this, is you'll see people saying we need to re-engage with China. 0.93

01:08:28.000 There was a Foreign Affairs magazine article by this guy named Ryan Haas that was basically saying, you know, China alarmism doesn't help anyone.

01:08:36.000 Like, that was basically the title.

01:08:37.000 Sounds like Mark Cuban, right?

01:08:38.000 Yeah, like, yeah, this whole idea that, like, oh, we can't, you know, Mark Cuban, definitely the whole, like, China's a customer, so we can't really criticize, I don't want to criticize them because they're a customer.

01:08:46.000 But, like, this whole idea that, like, we need to, like, re-engage, like, oh, the Trump administration was wrong to, like, you know, they made the conflict worse when really it was really the Chinese Communist Party.

01:08:58.000 But the whole idea is that we need to now Like, we need to soften our stance on China.

01:09:02.000 China's not so bad. 1.00

01:09:03.000 The Communist Party is not so bad, you know? 0.64

01:09:05.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just a little genocide.

01:09:07.000 You want to talk about that atrocious Economist article?

01:09:11.000 Oh yeah, there was an article in the Economist after the whole genocide thing with the Trump administration, and they said, okay, the Canadian parliament was voting that it was genocide, and the Economist ran this article basically being like, Is it really genocide, though?

01:09:27.000 Because, you know, when people, even though the UN definition of genocide includes trying to eliminate a people, including by preventing births and sterilization and things that are happening to the Uyghurs in China, like, that is part of the UN Convention on Genocide.

01:09:44.000 Like, that is defined as genocide.

01:09:47.000 The Congress was like, but most people think of genocide as being mass murder.

01:09:51.000 So if it's not to that point yet and we use the word genocide, aren't we kind of You know, isn't that worse for, you know, future genocides that, like, we've now cheapened the word genocide?

01:10:01.000 Well, specifically said, they're not slaughtering them as they're being butchered for their organs.

01:10:05.000 Well, no, the organ harvesting is just win-win mutual cooperation, cooperation on the Communist Party's terms between the Uyghurs and the organ recipients.

01:10:15.000 Yes, there's an exchange going on, so it's cooperation.

01:10:19.000 As long as two parties are willing in this, it doesn't matter if someone else isn't.

01:10:24.000 I mean, it's a democracy, so it's for the good of the majority.

01:10:27.000 Yes, what do they say, the people's democratic dictatorship?

01:10:31.000 Well, if they don't view the Uyghurs as people, then there's no, as humans, there's no human rights violation, right? 0.99

01:10:36.000 Oh no, the 56 ethnic minorities of China are very happy. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Every year they have a wonderful New Year's show where they bring them all out and have a little dance number.

01:10:46.000 Or they'll give the BBC a guided tour of these alleged concentration camps.

01:10:50.000 And they're singing and getting job skills.

01:10:54.000 And they're dancing for the camera with bruises over their eyes.

01:10:59.000 But it's very hard for foreigners to see what's actually happening in China.

01:11:03.000 I think you have to break it down, yeah.

01:11:06.000 You just don't get access as a foreigner.

01:11:09.000 The last time I was in Mainland, which was more than 15 years ago, it wasn't even so closed off.

01:11:18.000 But at the time, they wanted foreigners to be in certain parts of the big cities.

01:11:24.000 And they wanted you to be on tours, and they didn't want you to go outside of that.

01:11:29.000 And if you did go outside of that, the authorities might try to get you to go back to your hotel.

01:11:36.000 And now it's even more restrictive.

01:11:40.000 They keep journalists out of going to villages where controversial things are going on.

01:11:46.000 Essentially, a foreign reporter can't possibly get into Tibet or Xinjiang anymore.

01:11:53.000 The people who are going to China, the politicians, the business people, the academics, they're going to the cities, they're getting on these high-speed rails, they're staying in the five-star hotels, they're eating at nice restaurants, and this is the part of China they see, and so they have a very skewed view of what China is.

01:12:14.000 OK, well, so here's a bit of optimism for you.

01:12:16.000 You're saying you're pessimistic.

01:12:19.000 Yeah, Matt, that's absolutely right.

01:12:20.000 It's hard for foreigners to know what's happening in China.

01:12:23.000 The reason I started China Uncensored in 2012 was because everything we've talked about tonight is really not new.

01:12:30.000 It's been going on for decades.

01:12:32.000 I started the show because Americans didn't know about it.

01:12:35.000 Americans weren't talking about this and just thought China was like, oh, you know, developing country, it's a democracy, right?

01:12:41.000 There's a president.

01:12:42.000 There's a president.

01:12:43.000 But now you talk about this Pew research.

01:12:47.000 And it's totally shifted.

01:12:50.000 People are talking about the Chinese Communist Party in a way they were not even eight years ago, even five years ago.

01:12:56.000 It's interesting, the president thing, because I have had multiple conversations with friends of mine who were like, didn't know that China didn't have democracy because he's called President Xi Jinping, even though the word in Chinese is not president, it is chairman.

01:13:11.000 Chairman of the state.

01:13:12.000 Right.

01:13:13.000 So like the word that they use in Chinese to talk about Xi Jinping.

01:13:16.000 There's a different word that they use for president that they used to talk about Biden or, you know, like it's like the word is zongtong.

01:13:23.000 Why do we call him president?

01:13:24.000 It's propaganda?

01:13:25.000 Because they started translate in the 80s.

01:13:27.000 They started translating president that Zhu Xi, which is chairman as president, like officially the official translation in China, in China.

01:13:37.000 And so it's manipulation.

01:13:38.000 Yeah.

01:13:39.000 So that that's they twist the language.

01:13:41.000 Wow.

01:13:41.000 Another example, I want you to tell the story about the struggle, Xi Jinping and the struggle.

01:13:49.000 Yeah, so Xi Jinping recently gave a speech to young Chinese Communist Party members where he told them, you know, you know, you have to like really believe in the party and carry on the strong traditions and spirit of the party.

01:14:02.000 And the Chinese language, in the English state-run media reports, it was like, oh yeah, and he was inspiring them to talk about, you know, how great the party is and serve the people.

01:14:11.000 In Chinese, there was a, like the term that they, he kept bringing up was the term struggle, which is douzheng, which is a Marxist-Leninist, like Chinese Communist Party idea of using the dialectic, right?

01:14:22.000 Like two opposing sides, and then they have to struggle, and like one has to win against.

01:14:27.000 So it's like oppressed versus oppressor.

01:14:29.000 Or, you know, proletariat versus bourgeoisie, whatever.

01:14:32.000 So it's like in China, like the Chinese Communist Party will have, you know, in the Cultural Revolution, you had to dojeng against the counter-revolutionaries, like this idea of struggling against an opposing side.

01:14:45.000 So in Chinese, Xi Jinping said struggle.

01:14:49.000 The whole time during the thing like we have to young Communist Party members must remember this to struggle the Communist Party is like tradition of struggle all this stuff completely wiped out in English because they don't want to make the Communist Party look like that.

01:15:03.000 So we look back at history and we know the Cultural Revolution was horrifying. 0.75

01:15:10.000 Struggle sessions and all that stuff.

01:15:12.000 What was before Communist China?

01:15:14.000 Was it also an oppressive system?

01:15:16.000 Was the government horrible to its people?

01:15:18.000 Well, people kind of mistakenly talk about Chinese history like it was its monolithic thing, when in fact it was very diverse over thousands of years and there were definitely times where

01:15:34.000 the Sahajid was more prosperous and stable, there was times it was more oppressive.

01:15:39.000 Like even like we started talking about like the masculinity thing and like in a lot of

01:15:44.000 articles I was reading about that the sort of Western take on that was well you know

01:15:48.000 in China they believe that you know yang masculine is strong and you know yin is weak and women

01:15:56.000 again, as women and should be weak and submissive. 1.00

01:15:59.000 And that's not even really accurate.

01:16:01.000 That's a complete misunderstanding of these Ancient Chinese principles, like yin and yang, are supposed to be in balance.

01:16:10.000 In many martial arts, they say, in Daoism, the soft overcomes the hard.

01:16:16.000 So soft yin does not mean weak.

01:16:20.000 Right.

01:16:22.000 So, golly, what was I trying to say?

01:16:25.000 I was asking the government before the Communist Party, was it oppressive?

01:16:28.000 Well, I mean, which government, right?

01:16:29.000 Like, which of the dozens of... Immediately preceding the Communist... Oh, so the Republican period.

01:16:34.000 Is that what it was? 0.74

01:16:35.000 It was horribly corrupt.

01:16:37.000 It also was dealing with World War II and fighting Japanese.

01:16:41.000 And fighting Communist subversion.

01:16:42.000 And the guerrilla army.

01:16:43.000 This year marks a hundred years since the formation of the Chinese Communist Party in 1921, which was connected to the Soviets, which the Soviets had tried to, you know, start the third Communist International, the Comintern, and get that branch going in China.

01:17:02.000 Because at the time, the idea of the Soviets was, we're going to have communism spread around the world.

01:17:07.000 So they were starting all these party cells.

01:17:09.000 So the Qing dynasty fell in 1911, and then it was followed by a little bit of chaos,

01:17:18.000 and then the Republic of China came about. But within a decade, you had the Communist Party

01:17:24.000 starting and essentially sowing chaos throughout the country to the degree that they were able to,

01:17:31.000 sometimes working with the Republic of China government, sometimes fighting against them,

01:17:36.000 but always, even when working with, they were subverting it from within. And so there was no

01:17:41.000 real chance for the Republic of China government to be a fully functioning government. And it was

01:17:47.000 a very difficult time. And I'm not defending some of the things that happened there, because there

01:17:50.000 were some challenges, but— It's the classic Communist Party tactic of, you know, the Republican

01:17:58.000 Period of China. 0.93

01:17:58.000 It was corrupt. 0.93

01:17:59.000 There were definitely issues.

01:18:00.000 There was wealth inequality.

01:18:04.000 So the Communist Party uses that and said, hey, these guys are oppressing you.

01:18:08.000 This society is, you know, these are the bad guys.

01:18:10.000 Hey.

01:18:11.000 And Mao would go to the poor peasants in the countrysides and promise them a better future, a more equal future.

01:18:18.000 Now, the elites of that period, the ones who, you know, towed the party line, were they spared?

01:18:26.000 Oh, I mean, the biggest victims of the Communist Party are Communist Party members.

01:18:28.000 I mean, even before the Communist Party actually ruled the country, there were tons of purges within the party.

01:18:34.000 The Yanan Rectification.

01:18:36.000 That basically meant thought control and thought reform and brainwashing.

01:18:41.000 That was kind of where sort of one of the first sort of mass brainwashing campaigns in history is the Communist Party.

01:18:49.000 brainwashing and torturing other Communist Party officials in a part of China called Yan'an.

01:18:55.000 Like, that's how they treat their own people.

01:18:58.000 How do you think they're treating everyone else?

01:19:00.000 I mean, the guy who's supposed to succeed Mao, Lin Biao, right?

01:19:03.000 Oh, died in a mysterious plane crash?

01:19:05.000 And then suddenly, like, he was like, Mao's the second in command, then mysteriously died.

01:19:10.000 And then suddenly the word was, oh, he was very bad.

01:19:13.000 He was communicating.

01:19:14.000 The campaign to criticize Confucius and Lin Biao.

01:19:16.000 It was like the mass political campaign to criticize the political enemy.

01:19:22.000 But if you look at Marxism, if you read Marx, Marx's view is that, Karl Marx, not Groucho Marx, the view is that the history of humanity is a history of class struggle.

01:19:33.000 Right?

01:19:34.000 And this is, I believe, an inaccurate view of humanity and history, but that's the Marxist view, and that was the Leninist view, and that was the Maoist view, and that's the Xi Jinping view.

01:19:44.000 So the idea is that There are always these two opposing forces that always have to fight.

01:19:51.000 And the only way for history to progress is through these groups struggling against each other.

01:19:57.000 And so the communists, they believe this actually.

01:20:02.000 And so they believe that they must struggle against enemies.

01:20:05.000 And if there's not an enemy, if they've defeated an enemy, they need to create another enemy.

01:20:09.000 So there's always going to be an enemy.

01:20:11.000 There's always going to be a persecuted group.

01:20:13.000 There's no way for a Communist Party to not have a group that they're going after, because that is the way they see their own society and power is moving forward.

01:20:24.000 There has to always be class struggle.

01:20:26.000 Which is why we as Americans should be very concerned with Xi Jinping telling the new cadre to struggle.

01:20:31.000 Because who's it going to be?

01:20:33.000 I mean, on a foreign policy level, the Chinese Communist Party has to struggle with the United States, which is the global hegemon, right?

01:20:40.000 So there's always going to be that struggle.

01:20:42.000 Do you see parallels between the Cultural Revolution and what's happening today?

01:20:47.000 Because, you know, a lot of people call what's happening with cancel culture struggle sessions.

01:20:52.000 Well, so, it's... This is something that has been, people have made that comparison before, and it creates a lot of controversy because there aren't roving bands of Red Guard killing people.

01:21:03.000 Yeah.

01:21:04.000 But I think they were like, the Red Guard, they were literally murdering just people in large numbers.

01:21:10.000 So the thing, the question, the real question is, how does a society get to that point?

01:21:15.000 What breeds that?

01:21:18.000 And so we do need to be vigilant because if this happened once before in human history, it could happen again.

01:21:25.000 Well, like how many people were the Red Guard killing?

01:21:28.000 Uh, numbers of people who died in the Cultural Revolution, it varies a lot.

01:21:32.000 Probably, maybe 15 to 20 million.

01:21:36.000 The high end is 20 million, as an estimate of how many people died during the Cultural Revolution.

01:21:44.000 There was no period among these revolutionaries where they knew they were in the Cultural Revolution.

01:21:49.000 It was only with hindsight we looked back and then said, here's where it started.

01:21:52.000 No, the Cultural Revolution was a specific campaign by Mao.

01:21:55.000 Oh, okay.

01:21:55.000 It was called the Cultural Revolution.

01:21:56.000 To eliminate the four olds, which was old thought, old culture, I forget all the olds. 1.00

01:22:02.000 I just mean, like, was there a point where Mao was like, okay, today's the day we start. 0.99

01:22:05.000 Go and kill people. 0.98

01:22:07.000 Yes. 0.99

01:22:07.000 Well, he was like, today we must start the Cultural Revolution to, you know, basically rectify the culture of the party. 0.99

01:22:13.000 So there was an actual, like, start date for that.

01:22:16.000 And it ended when he died.

01:22:17.000 And people were like...

01:22:19.000 After a really long time.

01:22:21.000 Well it was a decade.

01:22:23.000 But a long time.

01:22:24.000 I remember speaking to one Chinese person who was alive at the time and they said it was basically, we talk about like the 10 years that we went crazy.

01:22:33.000 I mean, it was really bad.

01:22:34.000 Although in some areas, it was worse than others.

01:22:36.000 And by the end, Mao was kind of not doing well, so it kind of petered out.

01:22:41.000 But literally, you had to quote Mao's Little Red Book to be able to buy food.

01:22:47.000 Or get on a bus.

01:22:48.000 You had to say a quote from Mao.

01:22:51.000 Wow.

01:22:52.000 But, like, you know, I understand why some people see parallels with what's happening in the U.S.

01:22:58.000 today.

01:22:58.000 I think that there's a few big differences, and the chief one is that the U.S.

01:23:04.000 government protects freedom of speech.

01:23:07.000 And, you know, even if you get canceled on Twitter and kicked off of YouTube and, you know, your books are banned from the publisher, like, you're not going to be arrested.

01:23:17.000 You're not going to be... There's no legal mechanism to send you to prison.

01:23:22.000 That's not true.

01:23:22.000 There is.

01:23:23.000 They just lie.

01:23:26.000 I mean, take a look at the Antifa riots throughout the Pacific Northwest.

01:23:31.000 We just learned there was an investigation that found 31 of 90 had their charges dropped and many dismissed with prejudice, which, according to one expert, this is extremely rare for them to actually do this.

01:23:42.000 Some of these were felony charges where Antifa literally assaulted an officer.

01:23:45.000 Their charges are dropped.

01:23:47.000 Now, when it comes to the out group, which would be these Trump supporters at the Capitol, You have the instance of some people... This is really interesting because I'm seeing journalists say this.

01:23:57.000 The shaman guy with the horns?

01:23:59.000 Apparently he argued in court.

01:24:01.000 The cops waved him in.

01:24:02.000 And it's on video.

01:24:03.000 The cops are waving, and people are following the cops waving, and then the cops open the door.

01:24:07.000 Not everybody who went in the building were shoving their way through police and fighting with cops.

01:24:12.000 There were many circumstances where the doors were just opened up. 0.97

01:24:14.000 Now, I think, obviously, everybody who went in the building was dumb, and it was a huge mistake for these people.

01:24:18.000 But you take a look at how, after, you know, six, seven months of rioting and cities being burned down, and these Antifa people— I mean, the vice president was soliciting donations to bail her out. 0.78

01:24:30.000 So we can say there's no legal mechanism, in a sense, but there is a cultural mechanism that guarantees if you're a far leftist and you burn down a city, it is very likely that you will face no cultural repercussions.

01:24:42.000 None whatsoever.

01:24:43.000 I mean, they're not being targeted by law enforcement as terrorists.

01:24:46.000 The vice president's raising money.

01:24:48.000 Joe Biden's own staffers were raising money to get them out.

01:24:50.000 But if you're a Trump supporter who was just in D.C.

01:24:53.000 You're this woman.

01:24:54.000 She's a psychological operations officer in the army.

01:24:56.000 She was simply attending a speech.

01:24:58.000 She's under investigation.

01:25:00.000 One guy was a rapper.

01:25:02.000 He's an artist.

01:25:02.000 His label dropped him for simply being in D.C.

01:25:05.000 when this happened.

01:25:06.000 So, that's what's scary to me.

01:25:08.000 We can say, oh, but we have a constitution.

01:25:10.000 Sure, but what happens when the federal government just lies?

01:25:13.000 And then you have the entirety of the establishment Democratic left saying, good.

01:25:17.000 They want to do a commission on these people now.

01:25:19.000 I think it's, you know, maybe the fear is perhaps a bit pessimistic.

01:25:24.000 But maybe the fear is that they learn from what these other countries did and how to avoid, you know, falling into certain traps.

01:25:30.000 They don't want to kill people.

01:25:31.000 They want control.

01:25:32.000 They don't want to look like the villains themselves, especially in an age of social media and instant transmission of information.

01:25:38.000 So they use clever manipulation to make sure their political dissidents are stripped, destroyed, and removed.

01:25:43.000 And that's what's happening.

01:25:45.000 I do think that it is different in the U.S.

01:25:48.000 If the Cultural Revolution happened in the U.S., it could not happen the same way that it happened in China, because we do not have... We have guns.

01:25:57.000 Well, besides that, the whole mechanism is started in China by the state.

01:26:01.000 It's started by the Chinese Communist Party.

01:26:02.000 It's top-down.

01:26:04.000 Also, the cult of personality Mao had, which doesn't exist.

01:26:07.000 You're saying there's no cult of personality around China?

01:26:11.000 I think that, like, in the U.S., the mechanism is, like, if you have these tech companies, if you have, like, the Democratic Party, or, like, you have this, like, cultural mechanism for it, that is, like, a different manifestation, but it could, like, psychologically, there are similarities, I would say.

01:26:30.000 And especially in terms of, like, things like the, you know, reporting on people, like, There are things that could happen with this cancel culture stuff that's going on that could follow, like, the course of the culture revolution without being a thing that is done by the... The bloodbath.

01:26:48.000 Yeah, or done by the state, exactly, or like, you know.

01:26:51.000 But it could have, like, the same... You could have neighborhood watch committees where, you know, or, you know, everybody's looking at whatever, you know, you're pulling up what you said on Twitter 20 years ago.

01:27:02.000 Perhaps we're just not at that stage of what the Cultural Revolution was yet, but we do have, you know, just recently the, it was Christopher Wray, I believe it was FBI, saying, you know, domestic terror coming, you know, I don't know if he specifically called out Trump supporters, but I think he said, you know, far right, domestic terror is the biggest threat we're facing.

01:27:22.000 You've got the Democrats saying Trump supporters and QAnon, they're claiming that they need to keep these troops surrounding D.C.

01:27:29.000 with razor wire fences and these, and you know, razor wire and these fences because of these conspiracy theories about Trump's true inauguration.

01:27:38.000 You are getting from mainstream press a narrative over and over and over again of who the evil is calling for, they're calling it the 1-6 commission.

01:27:47.000 They want a 9-11 style commission on what happened at the Capitol.

01:27:49.000 They're acting like it was on par with 9-11.

01:27:52.000 And they're continually demonizing Trump supporters, populists, right-wingers, conservatives, to the point where, you know, we've mentioned it several times now, Echelon Insights interviewed Democrats, what is, you know, of these things, how would you rate your level of concern?

01:28:05.000 The top concern among Democrats is Trump supporters, white nationalists, white supremacy, and among Trump supporters, among Republicans, it's illegal immigration, taxation, support for the police, very run-of-the-mill conservative positions.

01:28:19.000 It seems like the narrative we're getting from the mainstream press about how bad and awful the right is in this country is reaching that level where, I mean, people I think are ready to burst and go insane. 0.56

01:28:29.000 So perhaps it's not the point where you'll see Redguard going around literally murdering people, but we are getting to that point where I believe it's entirely possible you will see the Democrats come out and straight up say, Arrest them all.

01:28:40.000 Every single one.

01:28:41.000 Because we're already getting to that point.

01:28:42.000 Nicole Wallace on MSNBC said, if they were in a different country, would have blown them up by now with a drone strike.

01:28:48.000 What, wouldn't Mitch McConnell think Trump should be arrested for what he did?

01:28:51.000 We have an article from The Root, where they said Republicans are enemy combatants, that we must treat as enemy combatants.

01:28:57.000 The Root, in 2018, according to Newswhip, was the number one publication on the left.

01:29:02.000 Now, the right got substantially more engagements, but they were still number one.

01:29:06.000 What happens when you have prominent Democratic politicians, people like Ocasio-Cortez, saying, Ted Cruz, you tried to get me murdered.

01:29:15.000 And they're telling this to people over and over again.

01:29:17.000 Where do we go in a year?

01:29:18.000 Perhaps right now we're saying, oh, but in the Cultural Revolution, they were called upon by the party, by the political figures to go and do these things.

01:29:26.000 And it's like, okay, well, maybe in a year they do that.

01:29:29.000 Maybe in two years, three years.

01:29:30.000 All I know is right now, I'm constantly being told by the press how Trump is an insurrectionist who tried to overthrow the United States government, and YouTube has deleted every iteration of his speech from CPAC.

01:29:41.000 This level of tribalist demonization isn't stopping.

01:29:45.000 It's escalating.

01:29:46.000 It's getting worse.

01:29:47.000 And it seems to me like we are dangerously close to this point where the hysteria reaches this level.

01:29:53.000 Perhaps we have a president in Joe Biden who he's already failing his first test in the migrant crisis.

01:29:58.000 The left is outraged over his migrant detention centers for children.

01:30:02.000 The right is outraged over his releasing of COVID positive patients, COVID positive illegal immigrants into Texas, as well as shutting down Trump's border wall.

01:30:10.000 So now you've got both sides angry with him.

01:30:11.000 He didn't get the stimulus checks out.

01:30:14.000 Are we potentially looking at a pathetic and failed leader who causes widespread demoralization among even moderates in this country that results in Donald Trump running again in 2024 against Kamala Harris, who does not have the charisma to win?

01:30:30.000 Trump ends up getting a decisive but slim victory. 0.86

01:30:33.000 And then you have all of that conditioning over four years of the demons of the insurrectionists.

01:30:38.000 Trump finally completed his insurrection.

01:30:40.000 He took the country over.

01:30:41.000 We must go.

01:30:41.000 We must purge.

01:30:42.000 We must stop this.

01:30:43.000 Or perhaps it goes the other way.

01:30:44.000 Trump becomes president and says they're the bad guys.

01:30:46.000 They're the ones trying to subvert it.

01:30:48.000 The hyperpolarization is getting just that scary to me.

01:30:51.000 Well, democracy is very fragile.

01:30:54.000 And, you know, you were mentioning the commission making the comparison to 9-11.

01:30:58.000 What's the lesson of 9-11?

01:31:00.000 The government used terrorism to create the Patriot Act, which was really more about making the government more powerful and taking away the rights of the American people.

01:31:09.000 I mean, it's about power and control and what you kind of just described was a struggle session, essentially.

01:31:15.000 And so this is where people need to learn from history and see the patterns.

01:31:19.000 Are these actual threats that are being discussed, or is it just somebody creating that opposition that they need to have the dialectical conflict?

01:31:30.000 Well, that's it.

01:31:30.000 The struggle, right?

01:31:31.000 There's something to struggle against.

01:31:33.000 There's an interesting book that talks a lot about this sort of thing I think you're talking about.

01:31:37.000 It's called How the Specter of Communism is Ruling the World.

01:31:42.000 It makes some interesting points.

01:31:45.000 Well, people can read that themselves and draw their conclusions.

01:31:47.000 But it looks at history and you do see, you know, there are people who learn from all of these tactics that have been used for control. 0.95

01:31:55.000 And people who want control, they're not idiots. 0.71

01:31:58.000 They look at what has worked and what hasn't worked and refine. 0.98

01:32:01.000 The Chinese Communist Party is a much more refined Soviet Union.

01:32:06.000 They're not making many of the same mistakes the Soviet Union did because they learned from them.

01:32:11.000 That's why the Chinese Communist Party is still here.

01:32:13.000 Yeah, they constantly talk about Gorbachev and how nobody can be a Gorbachev, basically.

01:32:18.000 Remember when people thought Xi would be Gorbachev?

01:32:20.000 I remember there was an event held in D.C.

01:32:23.000 A bunch of Trump supporters were protesting against massive multinational billion-dollar corporations that were suppressing speech, political speech in the U.S.

01:32:31.000 The Trump supporters were protesting and targeting billionaires.

01:32:35.000 Antifa showed up and physically attacked them.

01:32:38.000 It's interesting that you have this demonization.

01:32:42.000 For the populist right, it's the elites, it's the establishment.

01:32:46.000 For the populist left, it's the populist right.

01:32:49.000 And I wonder if that's just the convenient tool of the establishment to say, get these people to attack them because they're attacking us, using this idea of the struggle, this conflict between factions, to make sure nobody actually goes after them.

01:33:04.000 If they keep doing that, well, eventually using Trump supporters, conservatives, and populist right-wingers as your scapegoat will result in such extreme hyperpolarization that people start getting killed.

01:33:16.000 We've already seen with the riots over last year, I think there was 19 official deaths caused by the riots, and then there were, I believe, 11 or 12, about 12 peripheral deaths just in, like, as a result of the rioting, some people died for certain reasons.

01:33:30.000 But then we also had that That guy in Portland who took two in the chest from that Antifa guy.

01:33:35.000 He had the Black Lives Matter tattoo on his neck, the revolution fist, and he shot him twice in the chest.

01:33:39.000 When you say riots, you're talking about the mostly peaceful protests, right?

01:33:43.000 Yes, where buildings were on fire and destroyed, and over $2 billion in insurance payouts, not even the total cost of damage that we saw, and the vice president and president supporting those actions.

01:33:56.000 You want to know something absolutely insane?

01:33:58.000 Andrew Cuomo, there's a new report coming out that he, his administration instructed the health department to obscure the amount of people who died in nursing homes as a result of their policies.

01:34:12.000 On March 25th of last year, Cuomo announced his policy to send COVID patients into nursing homes.

01:34:19.000 Nursing homes resisted, saying this will introduce the virus into the most vulnerable populations.

01:34:26.000 They said, so what?

01:34:28.000 15,000 people died.

01:34:29.000 Cuomo covered it up, and that is confirmed.

01:34:31.000 One assemblyman has said it's a coordinated criminal conspiracy.

01:34:35.000 I've said, send the guy to prison.

01:34:37.000 Andrew Cuomo still enjoys a 65% approval rating and a 60% favorability rating among Democrats.

01:34:44.000 When you have that level of... He's been accused of harassing women.

01:34:49.000 Three women have stepped forward.

01:34:51.000 And even prominent Democratic, like, left-leaning liberal-type figures in the media are criticizing him, saying he should resign.

01:34:58.000 Democrats are saying he should resign.

01:35:00.000 It is now being reported by mainstream left, right-wing publications. 0.76

01:35:04.000 He killed these people.

01:35:05.000 He covered it up.

01:35:06.000 The Democrat voter still favors him 65%.

01:35:10.000 So when you have things like that, it says to me, like, tribalism owns everything.

01:35:16.000 You could have, quite literally, when Donald Trump said I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue, he wasn't kidding.

01:35:22.000 That's a good point.

01:35:23.000 Yeah, tribalism, it's, it's, it is a tool of dictators. 0.87

01:35:27.000 It's, uh, the more, the less we see each other as fellow humans that actually have more in common than we do differences.

01:35:36.000 That gets easily used when we start to just see the other, the enemy.

01:35:42.000 Yeah.

01:35:43.000 Well, how about we take Super Chats?

01:35:45.000 We'll see what the audience has to say.

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01:35:52.000 If you're listening on iTunes, Spotify, or any other podcast platform, leave us a good review, give us as many stars as they allow, and then write why we're the best, because it really does help the show.

01:36:01.000 And I guess the saying goes, the only way people find out about podcasts is from people who listen to podcasts, so if you like it, you just gotta share it.

01:36:07.000 But again, smash that like button and let's read some of these Super Chats.

01:36:11.000 So usually this happens if we have a pinned bit of merchandise.

01:36:14.000 I can't see the name of the person who gave us the first super chat, so I apologize.

01:36:18.000 But they ask, have you ever watched Attack on Titan?

01:36:21.000 And if so, do you see parallels that it has with our reality?

01:36:24.000 Have any of you watched Attack on Titan?

01:36:27.000 Can't say I have.

01:36:29.000 It is like the most popular anime, but no idea.

01:36:33.000 I've only seen a couple episodes.

01:36:34.000 All right, let's see.

01:36:38.000 Toby Walker.

01:36:39.000 Oh, this is very important.

01:36:40.000 He says, Toy Boat, Toy Boat, Toy Boat.

01:36:42.000 Did you know there are 16 unique species of penguins?

01:36:45.000 Toy Boat, Toy Boat, Toy Boat.

01:36:47.000 Unique New York.

01:36:48.000 Specific Pacific.

01:36:49.000 Specific Pacific.

01:36:50.000 Toy Boat, Toy Boat.

01:36:51.000 Congratulations, you got me to say those things.

01:36:53.000 Are you trying to like do a deepfake or something by having me say all of that?

01:36:57.000 Unique New York.

01:36:59.000 Jordan Jones says, I hope that the team is doing well at TeamGuest IRL.

01:37:03.000 At what point do states and individuals stop sending resources to the federal government that is pushing radical left policies that are hurting their well-being?

01:37:10.000 I honestly have no idea.

01:37:12.000 I don't know.

01:37:14.000 Do you guys see any... I know your specialty is more China, but perhaps that was just my opinion thinking, you know, being more pessimistic, but what's your prospect on this country?

01:37:24.000 Do you think optimism, pessimism?

01:37:26.000 I am ultimately optimistic.

01:37:30.000 I gotta say, after that last spiel of yours, the optimism's a bit... I have drained the optimism from you!

01:37:40.000 No, I mean I think ultimately...

01:37:43.000 This was something they talked about in ancient China.

01:37:45.000 People innately are good.

01:37:47.000 Well, in ancient China they didn't always agree with that either.

01:37:50.000 But I think people, there's an innate goodness to them that they want to, they value, there are universal values that people have.

01:38:00.000 And I know that's not something that's necessarily... people like to talk about universal values anymore, but... You know, I can be both pessimistic and optimistic at the same time in saying that I think the night is always darkest before the dawn, and we have not yet reached the darkest point of the night yet.

01:38:18.000 So it seems like things are going to get pretty bad, but then maybe after the tumult, things will be a bit better.

01:38:24.000 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 I think people do need to get a better, better understanding of some of the things that are happening and that will take time.

01:38:31.000 All right.

01:38:31.000 Lua Coder says, I am distraught that lots of our manufacturing industry has moved over to China.

01:38:36.000 Even Roblox, I used to play play back in 2011, is opening their market to China.

01:38:40.000 The checklist for UGC is absurd.

01:38:43.000 Is there any grassroots lobbying that can be done to bring our manufacturing back?

01:38:48.000 Interestingly the Biden administration is currently doing a review of supply chains in the U.S.

01:38:54.000 So this is something that I think Democrats care a lot about and Republicans from a national security standpoint and from like a kind of you know a workers rights you know like populist standpoint.

01:39:06.000 So this might be one of those things where we do start to bring back some of the at least 1.00

01:39:11.000 critical manufacturing like drugs, medical supplies.

01:39:15.000 Chuck Schumer was talking about making some kind of law to help us out-compete China. 0.96

01:39:21.000 So I think a lot of the things that happens is that U.S.

01:39:24.000 politicians, when they talk about China, they don't actually have a very good idea of what the Chinese Communist Party is.

01:39:28.000 They're more using it as a mirror to reflect the U.S.

01:39:32.000 But in this case, because of the supply chain issue, I think this might be something where there's a concerted effort to bring back American manufacturing.

01:39:39.000 People just need to buy American more.

01:39:41.000 Yeah.

01:39:43.000 Maybe we need more philanthropists. 0.99

01:39:46.000 We need more nonprofits.

01:39:47.000 We need more industry to focus on American products and American costs.

01:39:51.000 We need think tanks.

01:39:52.000 Yeah.

01:39:53.000 New independent think tanks.

01:39:56.000 All right.

01:39:56.000 Bobby Bob says, should the U.S.

01:39:57.000 break up, would there be any negative effect on China, such as U.S.

01:40:01.000 businesses leaving?

01:40:04.000 I think if the U.S.

01:40:04.000 broke up, that would be like the best thing that ever happened for the Chinese Communist Party.

01:40:08.000 They'd have a party.

01:40:09.000 They would have a real Communist Party.

01:40:11.000 Well, that's why I wonder about, you know, do they want to influence this culture war?

01:40:16.000 They do.

01:40:17.000 Absolutely.

01:40:18.000 Yeah.

01:40:18.000 I mean, I think, I don't know that they're directly doing it, but like they definitely want to play it up.

01:40:23.000 They want to use it whenever they can.

01:40:24.000 Because it weakens the U.S.

01:40:27.000 And it's in the sense of the Marxist class struggle.

01:40:30.000 It is pitting one group against another group.

01:40:33.000 And so, again, I wouldn't say the Communist Party is behind it, necessarily, but they certainly like it, and it certainly fits the way that the Communist Party would do things if they were to try to sow discord within China.

01:40:46.000 All right.

01:40:46.000 Turk Longwell says, Tim, a question for your guests.

01:40:48.000 Can anyone please comment on how you think a hot war would play out between them and us?

01:40:53.000 Great show.

01:40:54.000 Smash the like button.

01:40:56.000 A hot war?

01:40:57.000 Well, it depends on whether or not they have Taiwan or not.

01:41:02.000 At the moment, China is not in a – I don't think they could really sustain like a full-on war with the United States.

01:41:14.000 With Taiwan, the U.S. 1.00

01:41:15.000 has access to the Chinese coastline.

01:41:18.000 There's support from the Quad, an alliance that's been building up between the U.S.

01:41:23.000 India, Japan, and Australia, which I wonder what the Biden administration is going to do about that alliance.

01:41:29.000 But also just in the event of a hot war, it would become impossible for any American industry to work with China, 0.96

01:41:38.000 and then China loses its access to money.

01:41:41.000 Well, I think that's a big one.

01:41:43.000 So also, um, it would be likely a naval war.

01:41:48.000 Uh, and right now the U.S.

01:41:51.000 still has naval superiority in the Pacific, but the U.S.

01:41:55.000 Indo-Pacific commander just came out and said that China might get parity by 2026.

01:41:59.000 Wow.

01:42:00.000 Uh, because they're really building their naval fleet right now.

01:42:03.000 They have more ships and submarines.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, so, I mean, in some ways, like, if a hot war would happen, the sooner it happened, the better it would be for the U.S.

01:42:11.000 Because the longer... Like, it just gives the Chinese Communist Party time to build up the military and... So you're saying double the military budget?

01:42:20.000 I mean, I think that they have to take the military, and they are talking about this, and take the focus away from the Middle East and, you know, go back to focusing on the Pacific.

01:42:32.000 Yeah, when the U.S.

01:42:33.000 made the shift to Middle East fighting, the Navy became support for the ground troops.

01:42:39.000 And in that time that the Navy was kind of being pushed to the side in the U.S., that's what China focused on.

01:42:46.000 Right.

01:42:46.000 China's anti-ship ballistic missiles already have a considerably longer range than U.S.

01:42:52.000 anti-ship missiles, which, if you think about what that means in an actual ship-to-ship warfare, is the Chinese ships can get their missiles off much sooner and sink the American ships before the American ships can do anything.

01:43:05.000 But the solution isn't to double the U.S.

01:43:09.000 military budget.

01:43:09.000 No, I was just kidding.

01:43:10.000 Right?

01:43:10.000 I mean, like, it would be much easier to just stop investing in China.

01:43:15.000 You're saying we should blow up China now, before— I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

01:43:20.000 All right, we got Samuel Powell says, Tim, you are wrong about Gen Z. As a Zoomer myself, I would say that at least 60% of us are conservative.

01:43:29.000 We most are afraid to speak out.

01:43:32.000 The reason most of us are closeted is because most of the people who have the authority around us hate anyone who has right-leaning views.

01:43:39.000 Most of us are anti-porn because it's affected us negatively from a young age.

01:43:45.000 Well, then I would just say perhaps I am wrong and you are more conservative.

01:43:49.000 I have pointed out that the Pew Research shows there's a slight movement towards conservative for the first time in like four generations, but then you have to be brave, I suppose, and just speak out.

01:44:02.000 What's the worst that's gonna happen?

01:44:03.000 You gotta learn how to actually hunt for your food?

01:44:05.000 Oh heavens, like humans had to do that for thousands, tens of thousands of years, hundreds of thousands of years.

01:44:10.000 I guess, you know, my thing is that having grown up in a rough and tumble area and being homeless, I'm like, what's the worst someone could do to me?

01:44:17.000 They're not gonna hit me.

01:44:18.000 And even if they did, is that really the worst?

01:44:20.000 Is that it?

01:44:21.000 You know, you get a scrape?

01:44:22.000 Look, if you've got people around you that are abusing you and saying insane things, then just simply stop, leave, ignore them.

01:44:29.000 Just don't engage with these kind of people.

01:44:31.000 Stick Newcomb says, I own a shop called Texas Holster Solutions.

01:44:34.000 I'd like to send you a holster for one of your pistols.

01:44:37.000 Who can I email about this?

01:44:38.000 Also, keep up the work, y'all.

01:44:40.000 The show is 100% graphene, lol.

01:44:42.000 If you go to TimCast.com, I believe in the contact area, there's emails, but there's also a P.O.

01:44:48.000 Box address if you'd like to send stuff.

01:44:51.000 All right, Justin Bookman says, this is very off topic, but I'm getting out of trucking, looking for something to work from home.

01:44:57.000 You guys are the smartest people that I know.

01:44:59.000 What do you suggest?

01:45:00.000 Tim, doth read the news and let slip the Ian of war.

01:45:04.000 We are guerrilla.

01:45:06.000 All right, working from home.

01:45:09.000 Here's what you do.

01:45:11.000 I had this guy who was super rich told me, what's something that you're an expert on that is a common concern of people?

01:45:20.000 Really easy example would be, like, dating.

01:45:24.000 Most people, be it a man or a woman, wanna have some, like, better understanding of dating.

01:45:28.000 So, what he said was, if you're good, if you have good insights, and you're a good person, and you wanna help people, you simply write a small book, and then you advertise it on Facebook and Google, You find out what your price point is per advertisement.

01:45:42.000 So if it takes $5 worth of ads to sell one book, sell it for $5.50, and you've automated the system, and then you make passive income from one book you've written, and it could seriously be like 50 pages.

01:45:53.000 And so he explained to me that, you know, one of his paths was he had done things in his life, like he worked out and he trained, and then he realized he was actually pretty proficient in this, very amateur, but he wrote a book about what he did and said, not medical advice, I'm just a guy, here's my ideas, and he made a million dollars in a year.

01:46:09.000 So there you go.

01:46:09.000 Shelley, we should write a book.

01:46:11.000 If you guys wrote a book called China Uncensored, and it was just not even that long and it said, you know, understanding the basic facts about China and what you need to know, and then you put it up, you just do like ads on Google or Facebook or whatever, it's automated.

01:46:25.000 So it takes, you know, if five dollars in ads gets you a thousand views or whatever, And every thousand views gets you one book sale, $5 and 50

01:46:34.000 cents.

01:46:34.000 And you're making 50 cents every for every thousand views.

01:46:37.000 So it's just automatically pulling in money.

01:46:38.000 Eventually everybody's read your book.

01:46:40.000 And then, you know, what do you do after that?

01:46:41.000 You had to write something else, but you know, there you go.

01:46:43.000 You make a million dollars.

01:46:47.000 All right.

01:46:50.000 Edud says, Tim, the USA is actually being censored by the CCP.

01:46:54.000 Remember, Facebook, Twitter, and Google hired the firm responsible for the great CCP censorship firewall to tailor their algorithm to prevent right-wing extremism.

01:47:04.000 Have you guys heard that?

01:47:06.000 I know we mentioned this the last time we were on the show, that there was a case of one of the Facebook fact-checkers being tied to some company that was getting funding somehow or another through China.

01:47:20.000 I don't remember all the details, but I know we did talk about that.

01:47:23.000 There was genuinely a concern about that, that these fact-checkers, they get money from somewhere.

01:47:30.000 But there is a lot of AI research going on in China.

01:47:33.000 Like Google, they did shut down their Dragonfly censored search app, but Google is in China now doing AI, and they're not making a big public splash about it.

01:47:43.000 But Google wants to be in China because they have access to enormous amounts of data.

01:47:48.000 There's no user privacy restrictions in China.

01:47:51.000 And so Google's working with Chinese companies to build up Google's own AI systems.

01:47:57.000 And no doubt Google is or will be at some point intending to use that AI technology developed in China with Chinese companies and Chinese data, and then use that for its American customers.

01:48:11.000 Is that a direct connection of the Communist Party using it to censor Americans?

01:48:15.000 I don't think there's a direct connection there, but there's certainly some, you know, within a few steps, there's some connection to China.

01:48:23.000 Association with an authoritarian regime always pulls the democracy down.

01:48:28.000 It makes it less free.

01:48:29.000 Yeah.

01:48:30.000 All right.

01:48:30.000 Nova Zero says China uncensored gang.

01:48:32.000 How much damage do you predict Xiao by Zhang and Kamila will do to the entire APAC region?

01:48:40.000 Oh, OK.

01:48:41.000 I was like, who?

01:48:42.000 There's one more I say.

01:48:43.000 Did you notice how allied nations have been slowly cutting out the U.S.

01:48:47.000 in their dealings?

01:48:49.000 That I pronounced horribly, I'd imagine, right?

01:48:50.000 Yeah.

01:48:53.000 Yes.

01:48:53.000 Beautiful.

01:48:56.000 I'm still going over the name.

01:49:00.000 Isn't he trying to, like, make Chinese out of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris?

01:49:06.000 Oh, I see.

01:49:09.000 Oh, Kamila.

01:49:11.000 I didn't notice that.

01:49:12.000 I was just like... I mean, you know, Joe Biden talks about reestablishing relations with allies.

01:49:19.000 And I think, you know, there's some degree that he's trying to do this, especially in Western Europe.

01:49:24.000 where it seems like we haven't actually lost any allies over the last four years,

01:49:29.000 but certainly there's been some diplomatic tensions there.

01:49:32.000 There has, however, been a lot of progress since 2017, building up alliances in, for

01:49:38.000 example, the Asia Pacific region, such as the Quad, India, Japan, Australia, and the US

01:49:43.000 working together to counter the danger of the Chinese Communist Party in their military. So

01:49:50.000 there have been a lot of alliances.

01:49:52.000 Also Central and Eastern Europe. Oh yeah, actually the last four years I've seen a lot of helping

01:49:59.000 develop relationships with Central and Eastern Europe to counter the pressure that they've been

01:50:03.000 getting from China, to counter the investment from China.

01:50:06.000 Even to some degree in parts of Africa, U.S.

01:50:10.000 money trying to counter the influence of China.

01:50:12.000 Although I'm not sure that's been super successful.

01:50:16.000 You know, the whole thing about, you know, we lost all our alliances and now we have to get them back.

01:50:21.000 I think that's not an accurate picture.

01:50:25.000 It's just that certain alliances have been strengthened and certain alliances have been weakened.

01:50:29.000 But the U.S.

01:50:30.000 hasn't lost any allies.

01:50:33.000 except maybe China. I mean, I would argue that's probably a good ally to lose if you're going to 0.99

01:50:36.000 lose one. But like, you know, things have changed, things have shifted. And then, you know, Europe,

01:50:44.000 are they trying to work with, you know, do they want to work with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris?

01:50:49.000 Like, yeah, on some things they want to work with the US on.

01:50:53.000 on climate change and they want to get the Iran deal back.

01:50:57.000 But, you know, they signed a big trade deal with China.

01:50:59.000 The E.U.

01:50:59.000 signed a preliminary trade deal outline with China without consulting the U.S., which was a bit of a slap in the face.

01:51:08.000 Because the Biden administration asked them to wait.

01:51:11.000 Yeah, it had been under works for years, was heading somewhere.

01:51:15.000 And yeah, they ignored the Biden administration's request.

01:51:19.000 Well, before they were the administration saying, we're almost in power, just wait.

01:51:22.000 But these alliances do take time.

01:51:25.000 And six weeks is not enough time, I don't believe, to see what the trajectory of the Biden administration is going to be.

01:51:31.000 To build up or destroy.

01:51:32.000 Yeah.

01:51:32.000 Eric Miller says, hilariously, YouTube put in my recommendations the movie Big Trouble in Little China.

01:51:38.000 Also, if Texas has a problem with the caravan, send them to D.C.

01:51:42.000 There you go.

01:51:43.000 Yeah, because China Uncensored is in the title, so, you know, they'll just take the keyword and then you get, it's a fun movie.

01:51:52.000 There you go.

01:51:54.000 All right.

01:51:54.000 Coop Diggity says, I love y'all.

01:51:56.000 I'll watch this later.

01:51:57.000 Be safe.

01:51:57.000 Ian, I disagree often with your viewpoints, but often I find you have a unique viewpoint I haven't thought of.

01:52:02.000 Lydia, thanks for being awesome and pushing buttons, and Tim, thanks.

01:52:05.000 Well, Ian's not on the show tonight, and Luke is on vacation, so we just got the China Uncensored crew.

01:52:09.000 But there you go.

01:52:11.000 Publius the Good says, my buddy Dylan Witcher was banned from China when we were in high school because he started a massive free Tibet website in 2002.

01:52:18.000 We were fighting this for decades.

01:52:20.000 My first political fight was Tibet.

01:52:23.000 Interesting.

01:52:23.000 Great.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, didn't they remove that?

01:52:25.000 It was like they did the new Top Gun movie, Top Gun Maverick.

01:52:27.000 Yeah.

01:52:28.000 And the patch on Tom Cruise's back, they removed Tibet.

01:52:31.000 Oh, it was Taiwan. 0.81

01:52:32.000 Taiwan.

01:52:32.000 Taiwan and Japan.

01:52:34.000 Yeah.

01:52:36.000 Yep.

01:52:37.000 Well, you know, you got to please the CCP, so.

01:52:41.000 Publishthegood also says, FBI says the entirety of all 1 million of conservatives are under investigation.

01:52:47.000 Antifa terrorists are all out of jail.

01:52:49.000 I disagree on the cultural revolution here.

01:52:52.000 I have actually emails between DNC Congress and Antifa.

01:52:56.000 So you disagree?

01:52:57.000 Is it because they hate each other or something?

01:52:59.000 Hmm.

01:53:00.000 QuestioningChina says, secret police were invented 600 years ago in China Ming dynasty.

01:53:05.000 Google Eastern Depot.

01:53:07.000 You guys know about that?

01:53:09.000 I haven't heard of Eastern Depot.

01:53:11.000 I also imagine secret police have been around for longer than 600 years.

01:53:16.000 But that does sound like an interesting thing.

01:53:18.000 Steven Valdez says, Chris, I had a super Patreon account with you guys for seven months, but never got my name at the end of a video, as promised.

01:53:25.000 Messaged you guys three times on Patreon.

01:53:27.000 Love your work, but was hoping you could respond.

01:53:30.000 I missed that message.

01:53:32.000 Shoot us an email at ChinaUncensored at gmail.com and we'll take care of it.

01:53:36.000 Sorry about that.

01:53:38.000 We get the job done here at Tim Castile.

01:53:40.000 We make sure we hold the powerful elites to account.

01:53:43.000 Truth to power.

01:53:45.000 For a long time our team was basically like the three of us plus one video editor.

01:53:51.000 Honestly, the truth is we do drop the ball sometimes.

01:53:54.000 We're sorry about that.

01:53:55.000 And I'm the producer, so really it's my problem and not Chris's problem.

01:53:58.000 But definitely a big thank you to everyone who supports our work.

01:54:03.000 China Uncensored would not be possible without the viewer support on Patreon.

01:54:07.000 Yeah.

01:54:07.000 I mean, we're a really small company and it's mostly viewer support and not YouTube ad revenue that's actually running our channel.

01:54:15.000 So thank you for that contribution.

01:54:16.000 I'm sorry I missed that.

01:54:18.000 Garnett says, call Chinese organ harvesting what it is.

01:54:22.000 Farming humans.

01:54:23.000 Bring it up to your vegan friends.

01:54:25.000 Ask them if they won't eat meat for moral reasons. 0.87

01:54:27.000 Why the heck are you supporting a president who is A-OK with butchering Uyghurs like cattle? 1.00

01:54:32.000 Yikes. 0.87

01:54:33.000 I'm sure that'll be great dinner conversation with people who are not particularly politically active.

01:54:38.000 So you got some friend he's eating like, you know, a kale chip salad or something.

01:54:42.000 And you're like, so you don't eat meat?

01:54:44.000 And they're like, no, I don't eat meat.

01:54:45.000 Then why do you support Biden, you butcher?

01:54:47.000 And they're going to be like, what?

01:54:50.000 No, but I do think it's a, it's a really fair point.

01:54:52.000 You know, Biden needs to, I think Biden should have come out right away and said, this is genocide.

01:54:56.000 No question about it.

01:54:57.000 It must be stopped.

01:54:58.000 He, on the campaign trail, he did call it genocide.

01:55:00.000 Oh.

01:55:01.000 Or his, his campaign did.

01:55:02.000 I don't know that he actually did it himself.

01:55:04.000 He never said the word.

01:55:05.000 Yeah.

01:55:06.000 The G word. 0.97

01:55:07.000 Yeah.

01:55:10.000 Mao DeMighty says, my ears been ringing all night, but I wear this cowl like Bruce Wayne though.

01:55:16.000 Zanguo Uncensored, Tim read my mind PM message.

01:55:21.000 Oh, PM message.

01:55:22.000 Thanks for quoting this.

01:55:23.000 Mao, you got it.

01:55:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:55:28.000 Supra says they call it the Patriot Act because that is whom it goes after.

01:55:34.000 Ah, there it is.

01:55:36.000 Jake Mahaney says the CCP is arming Iran, allowing Iran to conduct proxies in the Middle East.

01:55:41.000 Biden is allowing China to commit genocide while simultaneously gearing up for reunification of Taiwan.

01:55:48.000 Yeah, it sounds like things are, uh, pretty bad.

01:55:50.000 I have to say, uh, maybe that's why I'm a little pessimistic.

01:55:53.000 OMG Puppy says, Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents.

01:55:59.000 Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil.

01:56:04.000 Eric Hoffer, the true believer.

01:56:05.000 Interesting.

01:56:08.000 Christopher says, you said you were planning on making a new site and new content.

01:56:12.000 Would this be free or eligible for Timcast members or a whole new subscription?

01:56:17.000 Uh, so we're planning on making a network of different websites and it's one subscription for all of them.

01:56:23.000 So quite literally my, my, my goal is if you are a member of Timcast.com, I just want to make sure we just keep making more and more stuff for you and ultimately have one parent brand that, you know, if you're a member of it grants you access to basically everything.

01:56:37.000 There are going to be some things, because they'll be joint ventures, where they'll be entirely separate subscriptions and websites, so... I think the new show we're planning on doing will not be part of this, because I'm doing it with other people.

01:56:48.000 And it'll have to be its own thing, so... But ultimately, that's what I want to do.

01:56:50.000 I want to do shows, originals, sketch comedy, documentary, and have it just be part of one big brand, so ultimately, everybody who is already a member at TimCast.com will get access to all this really cool stuff we're planning to build.

01:57:02.000 Quite literally, the membership you have, that money is going towards expanding, hiring new people.

01:57:08.000 We actually have some people coming out soon to interview about jobs because we're going to be doing a lot more, producing a lot more, and then hopefully that helps us make more money and start more companies.

01:57:18.000 So if you really like the show, then go to TimCast.com, become a member, smash that like button, and share the podcast.

01:57:25.000 And aside from that, I've got my other YouTube channels as well, but we're trying to do more and more and more, to put it simply.

01:57:31.000 Claymore says, human is the most racist word there can be.

01:57:34.000 Words of racism are words designed to defy people.

01:57:37.000 Who ad man?

01:57:38.000 Racist, I say, it should be the rights of man.

01:57:41.000 Interesting.

01:57:43.000 Dom, uh, let's see, what is it?

01:57:46.000 Dom Nall, 1989 says, has China Uncensored seen J.J.

01:57:49.000 McCullough's video on Falun Gong in which he mentioned China Uncensored as Falun Gong propaganda?

01:57:55.000 Ooh, smack. 0.99

01:57:57.000 I never actually watched that, but we are completely independently produced.

01:58:03.000 We have no connection to Falun Gong any more than we have connection to the Jews, which is something I've been accused of as well.

01:58:12.000 So weird.

01:58:13.000 Yeah, there was uh, I think I mentioned it to you guys last time There was apparently some campaign hitting up medium like small size youtubers with decent followings Maybe like tens of thousands where they would say hey just upload this video to your YouTube channel That's all and we'll pay you, you know 500 bucks or 600 bucks and it was some guy explaining why the Falun Gong was a dangerous cult and he was like complaining that they were performing in New York and that Everyone should go and complain to the Performing Arts Center to get Falun Gong banned or whatever That was really weird when I saw that.

01:58:44.000 I'm like, who would upload to their channel a video from some random person?

01:58:48.000 But also, it should be a red flag if the authoritarian communist party is persecuting a group.

01:58:56.000 That should be a signal that you shouldn't also be persecuting these people in a free country.

01:59:02.000 Maybe there's something wrong with the group that's doing the persecuting.

01:59:05.000 Right.

01:59:05.000 Weird.

01:59:08.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, but people go after us, and that's whatever, you know.

01:59:14.000 All right, Kara May says, Hey Tim, thanks for reading my super chat.

01:59:17.000 Oddly bandersnatchy, but it's fine anyway.

01:59:20.000 Cuomo definitely performed genocide.

01:59:22.000 Am I crazy for finding this obvious AF?

01:59:25.000 Cuomo killed 15,000 people.

01:59:26.000 And it wasn't just him.

01:59:29.000 There's some other governors as well.

01:59:31.000 And they were warned of this, so... Man, it's a creepy time, I'll tell you that.

01:59:37.000 Alright, anything about Texas.

01:59:38.000 Please talk about 3F and the CCP's stated aims to literally destroy the United States.

01:59:43.000 In your opinion, are we in immediate danger?

01:59:46.000 Are we so compromised from the inside that all hope is lost?

01:59:50.000 I don't know what the 3Fs are.

01:59:52.000 3F.

01:59:53.000 No idea.

01:59:55.000 And the CCP's stated aims to destroy the United States, is that a thing?

01:59:59.000 Well, they're very clear about struggling against the United States, that the United States is the enemy.

02:00:04.000 They are the whole unrestricted warfare thing.

02:00:07.000 Yeah.

02:00:08.000 Yeah.

02:00:08.000 So, I mean, the Chinese Communist Party is already at war with the United States.

02:00:13.000 We talked about that last time.

02:00:14.000 Unrestricted warfare.

02:00:15.000 I mean, we're we're we're being slammed by cyber war.

02:00:17.000 I mean, China is going after our infrastructure.

02:00:19.000 That's one aspect of it.

02:00:20.000 Yeah.

02:00:21.000 Financial warfare.

02:00:23.000 Information.

02:00:23.000 Drug warfare.

02:00:25.000 Information warfare.

02:00:26.000 It's a big one.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 All right.

02:00:28.000 Let's see what we got.

02:00:31.000 Alexander Hale says Cuomo's high approval rating is about as legit as Biden's approval rating.

02:00:36.000 It's fake, just like all the polls before the election was fortified.

02:00:40.000 Yeah.

02:00:41.000 Maybe?

02:00:41.000 Published the good says we haven't even begun to fight John Paul Jones the original Alex Jones not advocating violence

02:00:48.000 FBI historically accurate That's what he said. Was it he was in a he was a in his

02:00:52.000 ship and they were firing cans at each other and Yeah, and his ship was like just slam and he was like we

02:00:57.000 have not yet begun to fight We haven't even begun to fight famous quote

02:01:01.000 Lester Leo says us should learn how Taiwanese handle elections 1.00

02:01:07.000 Taiwan treats voting security and transparency seriously given how China always wants to influence it.

02:01:13.000 Interesting.

02:01:14.000 We were there for the Taiwan election and they have a pretty good system.

02:01:20.000 Yeah.

02:01:21.000 Security?

02:01:22.000 A couple things about Taiwan election security.

02:01:24.000 Number one, you have to show up in person and show your ID.

02:01:28.000 Number two... Paper ballots.

02:01:30.000 They're paper ballots.

02:01:32.000 Number three, at the end of the voting day, anyone from the community can come in and stand there physically and be an observer.

02:01:41.000 There's not selected observers.

02:01:42.000 Anyone just can randomly arbitrarily show up and they can watch the ballots being counted, read aloud, and tallied on a board.

02:01:50.000 Not just aloud in the building, but they can actually see it.

02:01:53.000 Yeah, the observers can actually observe, right?

02:01:56.000 And so for the in-person voting ID, clear chain with paper ballots and the observers, it's very, very hard to commit fraud there.

02:02:09.000 Well, the flip side of this, obviously, is that, you know, if you can't vote by mail, you could say, well, there's maybe some disenfranchisement.

02:02:15.000 And I think that's true.

02:02:16.000 And every country has to figure out what's the balance between security and ensuring the integrity of the election and making sure that more people have access to voting.

02:02:25.000 Taiwan has made that choice to ensure security because they're under so much threat.

02:02:33.000 from the Communist Party.

02:02:34.000 And other countries may at least want to look to that model for inspiration to some degree.

02:02:40.000 And I think also Taiwan's only been voting since like 1996.

02:02:43.000 Oh, interesting.

02:02:44.000 So they treasure, like for presidential elections, so they treasure their democracy a lot.

02:02:50.000 And I think it was, you know, all of us felt quite moved watching the whole process of people bringing their kids to watch the vote count and things like that.

02:02:58.000 Love their democracy.

02:02:59.000 Yeah, it was really amazing.

02:03:02.000 Yeah, like, everybody gets the day off to vote, but you have to go in person.

02:03:05.000 So, like, people flew from overseas to go back to Taiwan to vote.

02:03:08.000 Wow.

02:03:08.000 Yeah.

02:03:09.000 Justin Wheeler says, Will Timcast ever have an app?

02:03:13.000 We are working on it right now, actually.

02:03:15.000 So, we know that most people who watch and listen are doing it on mobile, and so we are trying to build that mobile app so it's really easy for members to just log in and do all that really cool stuff.

02:03:25.000 So, yeah.

02:03:26.000 Nick Timko says, I got my wisdom teeth out this week and watching your podcast has really helped keep my mind off the pain.

02:03:33.000 Oh, I hear that.

02:03:34.000 I'm glad.

02:03:35.000 I had a really, really bad impacted wisdom tooth, this one.

02:03:39.000 And getting it taken out was like, the dentist, it looked like he was doing, you know, street construction.

02:03:46.000 Yeah, and it was I was shaking and sweaty and just like for like three days I was like all these painkillers was like the worst pain ever So isn't it nice to know that your show is less bad than that?

02:03:57.000 Yeah, just a little bit a little bit a little bit less bad than getting your wisdom to the ripped out of your face Please have us back.

02:04:06.000 All right.

02:04:07.000 A horrible gamer says, Shelly, how did you become aware and start spreading the word about China?

02:04:12.000 What is the story of you partnering up with Agent Smith against China?

02:04:16.000 That's classified.

02:04:18.000 I see.

02:04:18.000 But my parents came from, well, I was born in China and my parents came to the U.S.

02:04:25.000 in the 80s as grad students.

02:04:27.000 And then they brought me to America.

02:04:29.000 And we were all in the U.S.

02:04:30.000 by the time the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre happened.

02:04:34.000 And my dad, before, he had gotten a scholarship from the Chinese government to study, get his PhD in America, so he was supposed to go back.

02:04:43.000 And he was intent on bringing us back until the Tiananmen Square massacre happened, and then he basically just was so furious.

02:04:52.000 Like, the Chinese students in America at that time, they marched in the streets of the U.S.

02:04:58.000 against the Chinese government.

02:05:00.000 That's how bad that was.

02:05:02.000 And basically we ended up staying in the U.S.

02:05:05.000 because the Bush administration at the time gave Chinese students who had been in the U.S.

02:05:11.000 and protested during the massacre like amnesty because the idea was that you could be, you know, if you went back to China you could be persecuted for protesting in the U.S.

02:05:21.000 Wow.

02:05:22.000 Crazy.

02:05:23.000 Yeah.

02:05:24.000 All right.

02:05:26.000 Al or AI, whichever one says, Cuomo didn't kill anyone.

02:05:30.000 Anyone in medicine can tell you people can't stay in hospitals and are sent to nursing homes for long-term care.

02:05:35.000 It's a cost thing.

02:05:36.000 Except when they have the Javits Center and the Mercy available and empty, and the nursing home said, you will introduce the virus here.

02:05:43.000 And then Cuomo was like, geez, what have we done?

02:05:45.000 We better hide the numbers.

02:05:47.000 Otherwise we might get investigated by federal prosecutors.

02:05:50.000 That's literally what happened.

02:05:51.000 There it is.

02:05:52.000 He killed him.

02:05:53.000 That's an interesting question.

02:05:54.000 We've definitely seen India standing up to the Chinese Communist Party in a way that it had not done in recent history.

02:06:00.000 front that India would attack China?

02:06:04.000 That's an interesting question.

02:06:06.000 We've definitely seen India standing up to the Chinese Communist Party in a way that

02:06:12.000 it had not done in recent history, not just on the border where there's been confrontation

02:06:22.000 between Indian troops and Chinese troops where Indian soldiers were actually killed last

02:06:26.000 year, but also in Indian society there's been a huge ban on many types of Chinese apps.

02:06:32.000 There is a growing cultural awareness of, you know, after Taiwan, India could be one

02:06:38.000 of the next targets.

02:06:40.000 China is working with Pakistan.

02:06:42.000 It's building potential military ports all around India, what's called the String of Pearls.

02:06:48.000 And the idea is that China will be coming after India.

02:06:52.000 Not right now.

02:06:53.000 Well, piece by piece on the border.

02:06:55.000 Well, once the U.S.

02:06:56.000 collapses into, you know, the Democrat states in the North, for the most part, join Canada, and then the rest become Jesusland, as the meme dictates, then China won't have any unified opposition, for the most part, and then they can shift their focus to India, maybe Australia.

02:07:11.000 Well, it is still a risk, too.

02:07:12.000 You can't do it too quick.

02:07:14.000 Otherwise, India and Japan and Australia, maybe South Korea, though, There was a whole thing about election interference in South Korea involving China, but that's another story.

02:07:25.000 Yeah, step at a time.

02:07:27.000 All right, let's see.

02:07:28.000 We'll take one more right here.

02:07:28.000 Rita Ho says, maybe two more, invite a Taiwanese KOL to talk about election integrity and how to fight information warfare.

02:07:36.000 That sounds pretty cool.

02:07:37.000 Yeah.

02:07:37.000 What's a KOL?

02:07:38.000 I gotta look that up.

02:07:39.000 Key Opinion Leader.

02:07:41.000 Do you just come up with that?

02:07:42.000 No, that's actual abbreviation for it.

02:07:44.000 Oh, OK.

02:07:45.000 Very cool.

02:07:46.000 All right.

02:07:47.000 Gabriel McLeod will do this last one, says the potential for diplomacy with China implies those in a position to be diplomatic have any interest in enacting change for the good of the world instead of simply maintaining the status quo.

02:07:59.000 All right.

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02:08:35.000 And do you guys want to mention your social media and your show?

02:08:38.000 Yeah, you can follow us on YouTube.com slash China Uncensored as well as slash America Uncovered.

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02:08:53.000 Shelley, you have a very nice Twitter.

02:08:56.000 My Twitter is at Shelzhang, S-H-E-L-Z-H-A-N-G. 1.00

02:09:01.000 And we also, did you say the podcast?

02:09:03.000 I didn't.

02:09:03.000 I always forget the podcast.

02:09:04.000 So we also have a podcast, China Unscripted, on YouTube and all the podcast platforms.

02:09:10.000 Oh, very cool.

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02:09:14.000 Nope.

02:09:14.000 No, I don't tweet.

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02:09:30.000 Everybody, thank you all so much for hanging out.

02:09:32.000 I don't think we're going to have a special extended segment tonight, but, uh, and it's always because I'm trying to do something for the weekends where literally every single Friday I'm like, we're going to go to the range and we're going to film it and then we don't because people are leaving.

02:09:44.000 You know, Luke was on vacation.

02:09:46.000 We had, we had the dude from Phoenix Ammo here and we were going to go and it's going to be awesome.

02:09:49.000 Film some drills.

02:09:50.000 And then Luke is like, I'm going on vacation.

02:09:51.000 See you later.

02:09:52.000 And I was like, all right, I guess so.

02:09:53.000 We'll try and get something up this weekend as an actual on the ground video vlog.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 06, 2021

Timcast IRL - China May Teach Masculinity, REJECT Changing Gender Roles w- China Uncensored

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